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End Game in Ukraine

War is a test of will and capability. The test has been run. We now know the will and capability of the parties.

I have repeatedly predicted that the war will end real soon now, and repeatedly been wrong. My repeated error was to assume that individuals would respond rationally to the situation, once it was revealed. Rational individual behaviour for a Ukrainian who is not yet in the army is to go into hiding, and most Ukrainians have done so. Outside of the capital, the streets are empty, and those in the capital still wandering around are the “golden boys”, strangely immune from conscription. If you are in the Ukrainian army, rational behaviour is to desert, mutiny, or surrender, and while a large number have done so, most have not. Those who fail to make the rational decision will die soon, if no deal is made.

知己知彼,百战不殆 . If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.

The western ruling elite knows neither itself nor the enemy, and among the many things the elite does not know, our elite has its head in the sand about what the war has revealed. Given that respective will and capability is now known, the rational collective action is to cut whatever deal can be made. Which will be, like the various World War I armistices that ended each war of attrition within the greater war, a very bad deal, because if you keep on going, you lose what few bargaining chips you have. Wars of attrition tend to end like that, because by the time reality becomes undeniable, the losing side is out of chips.

After World War I, the German high command cut a rational deal, which is to say, an absolutely horrifyingly bad deal in which they conceded disarmament and vast amounts of territory that they still controlled when they signed to deal. That was not a stab in the back, though Germans tended to perceive it as that. A government was installed in Germany which did, however, stab Germans in the back. A rational Ukrainian deal is going to look like the deal that ended World War I.

A rational deal, given that the West is has few bargaining chips left, is that sanctions end, Russia gets Donbass and the Ukrainian coast as its internationally recognised borders, gets a lot more territory than it currently controls, a mutual security arrangement with Nato guaranteeing the security of both, the Ukraine is disarmed, forever excluded from becoming part of Nato, and becomes Finlandised, and that a transit corridor between Russia and Kalingrad is excluded from Nato. Trump, being a great negotiator, and Putin being a terrible negotiator, could probably get something better, maybe a whole lot better, but the chips on the table are what they are. An achievable deal is going to wind up looking something like that. If it does not look much like the deal that ended World War I, it would not be rational for Putin to agree to it. (Albeit lots of people negotiating with Trump, like lots of people negotiating with Bill Gates, have wound up with deals that in retrospect do not look very rational.)

Our elite, however, is not rational. Any remotely realistic deal would be denounced as a stab in the back. “RussiaRussiaRussia” “Trump is a Putin stooge.”

Russia does not want to conquer all of Ukraine. It very much does not want to conquer the parts where the population is non Russian. But it also does very much want to eliminate the Ukraine’s military capability, which if no deal can be made might require it to destroy everything and kill everyone insufficiently Russian in the Ukraine. Which would take a long time. If I was a Ukrainian, would be practising my Russian.

The settlement of the Chechen war offers a model. Chechnya is not an assimilated part of Russia, but is now a separate and very well treated nation within the the greater Russian Empire, Those Chechens still alive seem to feel that they got a pretty good deal, and are sincere and enthusiastic Russian patriots. This was, however accomplished by an eliminationist policy. Those Chechens that did not buy into the deal, died, and the deal was not settled until Chechnya was levelled to the ground. There was enormous destruction, enormous refugee flight, and enormous civilian casualties.

What happened was that Russia found individual Chechens who were individually quite willing to make a rational deal, a deal that was quite generous, and those individuals are Chechnya now. Similarly, when in the course of destroying Ukrainian military capability, it finds itself conquering turf where direct Russian rule is unwise, it is going to find individuals who are willing to take the deal of a Finlandised Ukraine.

In that case, a Finlandised Ukrainian government up to the Nato border, and Nato refusing it recognition, and a state of war or near war between Nato and Russia. If no deal between Nato and Russia recognising the outcome, and granting mutual security and recognised borders, then next up, the Kalingrad corridor and Baltic coast, assuming the nukes do not fly first.

352 comments End Game in Ukraine

Sher Singh says:

First.

Had a couple genuine questions/comments

1. Ended upled from Isegoria to anachronicom or something
Run by that Canadian trans-fem thing.

Once I realized, I sort of deleted the data in my head best I could.
Should I just stop reading Isegoria as well?

My instinctual compulsion has always been exclude gays & any who associate with them.

2. On a similar note, I notice people who are technically competent but unwise to women.
This impacts their technical capacity as well.

For example, they may assume a chest rig with a number of mags sufficient.
In reality, an LBE with 3-5L of water is what you need.

Lying in a ditch while your enemy starves is the superior method of war.

Do you train up the latter or just purge?

edit – I don’t mean they’re feminist, just “lawful”? – midwit? Idk.
Eradica used to speak of the distinction between Criminal & Soldier/Cop.

Is Patriarchy established between Bandits as a way to bring peace?
Only later does it extend to society at large??

Jim says:

That is the way that Japan and China restored patriarchy:

> Is Patriarchy established between Bandits as a way to bring peace?
Only later does it extend to society at large??

DH says:

An alpha male who monopolizes all the females tends have an army of beta males looking to crack his skull open, so a successful (in the eyes of GNON and man) alpha male grabs some females for himself, but makes sure that the rest of the males in the clan, or at least a large proportion of them, get their dicks wet as well. Pussy-for-loyalty has always been the name of the game; and moving up the scale of civilization, the King whose warriors and taxpayers have wives and families — facilitated by a Priesthood that coordinates the memes making it possible — will surely have greater security than he whose subjects all hide in their mama’s basement, alone and miserable.

The Satanic Regime’s telos runs in the inverse direction, with predictable consequences.

Contaminated NEET says:

I ran into a gym buddy today who is muscular, intelligent, moral, hard working, and good looking, but not financially successful and has no wife or kids. Apropos of nothing, he said he’s worried about war, either foreign or civil, and he would try to leave the USA rather than fight if it comes to it, because he has nothing to fight for and the country is hostile to him and his values. Let the HR ladies and diversity consultants enlist – it’s their country now.

DH says:

The enemy outside is not preventing straight white males from getting laid or generally leading a healthy life. It is the enemy inside that is preventing straight white males from getting laid and leading a healthy life. Your buddy’s priorities are absolutely correct.

DH says:

But that applies to wars far away in places one can’t find on a map, possibly because they don’t even appear on the map.

However, when it comes to civil war, if your chances to win it are high (which they are), and in the case of your friend, he could probably be a competent warrior personally, then really why not? It’s not your country anymore, but it can be if you “physically remove” the enemy inside.

Bwana Simba says:

It is amazing how many men who in the olden days would be considered alpha males struggle hard to achieve much of anything nowadays. I know a lot of gym bros who do the same thing. Work, game, work out. That is the sum total of their lives. They get shit thrown at them by older men or women when they go out,demanding them to man up or behave, so they just go right back into their caves and refuse to come back out. The main religion of modern whites even ones relatively based is still feminism.

Pax Imperialis says:

it finds itself conquering turf where direct Russian rule is unwise, it is going to find individuals who are willing to take the deal of a Finlandised Ukraine

Most of Ukraine is vacant and just waiting to be filled with loyal veterans. It’s going to get more and more vacant as the war continues. I suspect most of the population will never return, and much of the population remaining will seek opportunities in the EU. Will there really be enough left for a Finlandised Ukraine, or will the rump state be so cut down in size that it ends up effectively an “autonomous republic” of Federal Russia? Likely to be somewhere between the two possibilities, but whatever the case, I don’t think Ukrainian neutrality is possible anymore.

Bouncer says:

Perhaps Putin could cut a deal with Zelenski’s pro-Russian replacement to allow settlement of oppressed White refugees from the West to live on that empty land (under pro-Russian conditions of course).
Were I single and somewhat younger, I certainly would appreciate the option of cheap/free land and lots of recently-widowed blonde Ukranian women in a land that didn’t hate me for my skin color.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Would be safer to resettle the former Ukraine with loyal full-blooded Russians, and establish an “American Republic” somewhere in Siberia. Which will end badly if “American” includes Jews or any of their swarthy diversity pets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

Jim says:

Age makes a difference, quite a lot of difference. But it is less insurmountable obstacle than everyone is taught to believe.

Upravda says:

…much of the population remaining will seek opportunities in the EU.

What opportunities? 🙂

My observations:

1. Some of the 404 exiles do intend to return home once war is over, and the danger of recruiting pater familiae for a next headball match with kinžal is over. Telling sign is childrens’ continuous attendance of Ukrainian school.

Those usually drive cheap cars or do not have car at all. By “cheap” I mean Volkswagen and Škoda, so not exactly dirt-cheap.

2. Some of them will seek… I really don’t know what? What opportunities? Where?

Women are sometimes cooks, retail saleswomen, or waitresses. You can hear them by accent. For now, there does not seem to be increase in prostitution like there was in the nineties with Moldovan women (of which half died, and half really got married right out of brothel, The Cominator is right about that).

Men I do not see. At all. Even those whites in Glovo and Wolt are Croats (often students and such).

As a side note, a lot of 404 womenfolk were astounded finding out that no, Croatian Health Insurance does not cover botox treatments, neither for Croatian women, nor Ukrainian, not any other.

So, those who seek… something, I don’t know what, usually drive expensive cars.

Pax Imperialis says:

Ukraine before the war was already pretty poor. Now they are pretty wrecked, and it can only get worse from here. Russia effectively controls the Dnieper, and the economic concessions that Ukraine will likely be forced to make will ensure post war economic activity dependent on shipping is highly scrutinized and regulated by Russia. I really doubt Ukraine will get a Finland neutrality deal, so likely shipping over land into the EU will be regulated as well.

Yes, the rest of Europe is having economic problems, and is in decline, but is nowhere near as bad as Ukraine currently is, and even after post-war “reconstruction” (it looks like American/Western interests are lining up to loot everything remaining) will still be much better. The video Jim posted of the NSC advisors talking about Ukraine had an audience member claim Ukraine has suffered 1.5 million casualties. It’s telling that the panel didn’t refute that or any of the other claims. That’s a lot of wounded and dead men who will not be contributing to the economy, and many are likely severely disabled and will be a constant fiscal drag for the rest of their lives.

Indeed, Ukrainians in EU Europe may not find good jobs readily available, or any jobs at all, but at the very least, even the lowest EU European welfare stipends far outstrip Ukrainian standard of living be that now or projected. Consider how millions of Ukrainian children are now educated in EU Europe. They’re getting integrated into the EU system. I just don’t see much of the Ukrainian population returning post-war.

I could be wrong, but I would point out there are millions of immigrants who moved to America during their period of economic hardship and they have not returned even as many of their countries of origins have in many ways superseded the American standard of living. Do you really expect the Ukrainians who left to return to a wrecked nation when others refuse to return to a better life? Maybe the Ukrainians who left are unusually patriotic, but I doubt it. Even with the war, Ukrainian language and culture remains highly synthetic and fake. I suspect post war many of those ‘y’s are going to turn back into ‘i’s.

Upravda says:

…even the lowest EU European welfare stipends far outstrip Ukrainian standard of living be that now or projected.

Maybe. Probably.

But the thing is, with, say, Croatian welfare you can live, but you can not be cool, neither have status. Even humble middle-aged seamstress working in a remnant of textile industry can somehow buy 12-year old BMW and be cool among her peers.

Folks living on welfare can not do that. So they are still visibly low status. And that is unbearable for them. Me thinks that even “returning to a wrecked nation” offers better opportunity.

Once after the risk of playing headball with kinžal is over, of course.

And 404 is actually a country full of riches.

Upravda says:

Questions for our host:
1. Is there any way to edit post in order to correct simple mistakes (such as omitting block quote)?
2. Can reply form be directly below the post one is replying to (instead of on the end of discussion thread)?

Jim says:

I have given you a login with the temporary password the same as your email address.

There is a reply link at the bottom of the post, which replies directly to the post, and a reply link on each comment.

upravda says:

Thanks, but still no Edit or Quick Edit option anywhere, neither in comments thread, nor anywhere in Admin panel.

Never mind, I’ll be more careful when commenting.

I changed password to something random just in case.

upravda says:

And now, my comments are “awaiting moderation”? Why is that?

Jim says:

I presume because WordPress treats a login identity as new. WordPress is an alarmingly big pile of stuff that I do not fully understand.

If the problem persists, I will dig into it, but I expect it to go away.

You should be able to edit your own stuff that you have added while logged in. If the problem persists, let me know. Fiddle around a bit. Please explore and report the outcomes.

Jim says:

Researching the matter, I find I cannot give anyone the ability to edit their comments without giving them the ability to edit all comments. And my ability to edit comments, though necessary, unavoidably irritates people. Sometimes I do something stupid because I clicked on the wrong button. More people would do more stupid things.

If you reply to your own comment drawing attention to typos, I may edit them for you.

The Cominator says:
BidenTheSimp says:

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Jim says:

Take the shill test

Karl says:

Western rulers desire the death of millions of white people. They are evil and want evil results. From their perspective, any deal that will keep the war going or even broaden it, is rational in the sense that it leads to an outcome they want.

The German command at the end of world war I didn’t hate the Germans and didn’t want to get them all killed. The Urkanian command and their Western masters are very different in that respect.

DH says:

You are exactly right. But the Priesthood of Satan is falling.

24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26 And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come.

His end has come.

It is falling, but it does need “a little push.”

Milosevic says:

If Harris gets to $3+ plus I’m going to have a sizable wager on her to win the election.

Jim says:

The polls are not an indicator. What is an indicator is that members of the elite are now discussing the need to have diplomatic conversations with Russia.

America needs to cooperate with Russia and China to establish an actual rules based order like that which existed during the cold war, since the unipolar order is not working out too well. That conversation tells you a lot more about the election result that likely voting. In 2020 and 2022, very few people physically showed up in person to pull the lever for the Democrats.

Basil says:

The Chechens got a pretty good deal because Russia is run by antifa. The Ukrainians aren’t alien enough, brown enough, or Muslim enough to get such a deal. A Ukrainian only needs to criticize the Soviet famine to be a NAZI, a Chechen can openly and proudly say that “I killed my Russian at 16”, and everything will be fine

That’s why Grozny can’t import a gorillion Tajiks, because it’s a *magically* Chechen city, but they can always be brought to Mariupol, because the Russian gender allows it.

Ukraine is destined for death. Stopping the meat grinder will help some people get out of hell, but there are no Ukrainians anymore.

Jim says:

Nuts.

T says:

The problem is less that Russia is run by antifa as that America is run by antifa, and Russia is still memeticaly pwned, albeit less so than countries ruled directly by the GAE. Plus, and that’s crucial, Russia has nukes, and with nukes comes memetic sovereignty. Destroy the Cathedral, or take over the Cathedral, and the thoughtcrimes wll no longer be criminal; then Putin will be able to restore fertility and kick the brown Muslims out. The Restoration begins in the USA.

DH says:

Putin may not have claimed the Mandate of Heaven (yet), but his memeplex is headed the right way. You don’t need a Regime Change in Russia, but in America; it is the Cathedral that needs to undergo Memetic Capture, and is undergoing Memetic Capture as we speak. Russia is not the cancer, but the slowly recuperating cancer patient. When Harvard falls, human civilization will be reborn.

Jim says:

Brics is proclaiming the Peace of Westphalia. Which may not work as well as it did when the state religion of the participants was Christianity. But it is a major improvement on the current “rules based order” which is that the faith of Harvard shall be the faith of the whole world, and any violence that promotes the faith of Harvard is legitimate, and any violence that resists the faith of Harvard is illegitimate.

JustAnotherGuy says:

https://x.com/chris_j_paxton/status/1852047463978254460

What’s your thoughts on this Jim? Looks like to me the robot can fold clothes but might just be a man behind the curtain thing going on.

Jim says:

Took ten minutes to fold five items of clothing. Video was speeded up ten times. Certainly by far the most impressive clothes folding robot I have seen, but would have looked considerably less impressive at normal speed.

Also all the items of clothing were topologically simple — for example a short sleeved teeshirt, therefore items of clothing that do not suffer from topologically complex mess up. The hard problems are long pants with a zipper, and a long sleeved button up shirt.

alf says:

Tucker Carlson talks about being clawed by a literal demon:

https://x.com/scooter_downey/status/1852029255682502912

DH says:

A demonic assault (real or metaphorical) is indication of spiritual turmoil. When you’re fully on Team God or fully on Team Satan, that usually doesn’t happen. This should be seen as a warning.

alf says:

As Tucker tells it the event happened while he was still working for Fox News. Working for the mainstream media sounds like justifiable cause for spiritual turmoil.

DH says:

Makes sense.

Jim says:

Working for mainstream media, he would have demons literal or metaphorical get inside him. Tucker being Tucker, would from time to time kick them out. Presumably this would piss them off.

Vendat Tunicam says:

No you are wrong here, it can happen to anyone. Saints from the Orthodox, Coptic and Catholic Church such as St Anthony the Great speak of being attacked by demons (actual bloody scratches, bruises etc) and attempted possession and only by extreme measures of begging Jesus were they left alone.

DH says:

This is not the compelling argument you think it is.

Vendat Tunicam says:

Well then go look at scripture if you don’t want to listen to tradition. Who is possessed in the Bible? Ordinary boring people. They come into the story possessed and then Jesus and his disciples cast the demons out and they leave history. In fact we don’t even get there names. Nor do we have any traditions or stories associated with these people. Nobody is named after them and they aren’t remembered as saints. They are ordinary boring people, much like our NPC office drones of today.

DH says:

I don’t know. I never met those people. Who is to say that they were boring and ordinary? The Bible leaves out a lot of details, but I’m pretty sure that the demon-possessed were not seen as exactly ordinary.

E.g., Luke 8:

26 They sailed to the region of the Gerasenes, which is across the lake from Galilee. 27 When Jesus stepped ashore, he was met by a demon-possessed man from the town. For a long time this man had not worn clothes or lived in a house, but had lived in the tombs. 28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out and fell at his feet, shouting at the top of his voice, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg you, don’t torture me!” 29 For Jesus had commanded the impure spirit to come out of the man. Many times it had seized him, and though he was chained hand and foot and kept under guard, he had broken his chains and had been driven by the demon into solitary places.

“For a long time this man had not worn clothes or lived in a house, but had lived in the tombs” doesn’t quite sound like an office drone to me.

The bigger point I’m making here is that even a Man of God, indeed, especially a Man of God, might run into some spiritual turmoil — and be assailed by demons literal or metaphorical — for some reason or another. The closer you are to the Divine, the more cautious you have to be, lest something less-than-Divine is permitted to enter your soul.

Whichever way you look at it, demonic possession is a red flag, not a badge of honor.

DH says:

Consider left-wingers becoming right-wingers as people undergoing an exorcism.

alf says:

The bible does not talk about ‘ordinary boring people’. It talks about the sinful nature of man, and that only through Jesus may man be saved from his sin.

As Marzinsky says: demons are attracted to sin and suffering. Those in spiritual turmoil will always attract more demons, whether literal or metaphorical, than those who have, with the help of God, turned away from sin as much as possible.

DH says:

Demonic possession is highly unlikely if you’re a boring, gray office drone with no inner monologue, aka a non-player character. If, however, you’re a Man of the Spirit, that begs the fundamental question: which spirit? And sometimes the answer to that question is far from fully obvious, if you catch my drift.

The Cominator says:

They don’t manifest in such a visible way unless you believe in them either… Athiests and materialists get various mind viruses but not demons in the way liberal progressive women (who also tend to have superstitious spiritual beliefs… but no positivity to them the way new ager yoga girls have) are prone to. The Arilou in the great old game Star Control 2 put it well.

“There are parasites creatures who dwell beyond… they have names but you do not know them, they would like to find you but they are blind to your presence unless you show yourself… in a way ignorance is your best protection… if I tell you more you would look where you could never look before and when looking you can and will be seen, you do not want to be seen”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R5f4r5uacU&t=178s

Almost all spiritual traditions that aren’t patently demonic discourage inquiry into the subject of the darker spectrum of spiritual beings and where they come from.

DH says:

“To fathom Hell or soar angelic” is the prerogative of a select few.

The Talmud, which is full of demonic influence, famously recounts:

Four entered the orchard: Ben Azzai, Ben Zoma, Acher (i.e., Elisha ben Avuya), and Rabbi Akiva. One looked and died. One looked and was harmed. One looked and cut down the trees. And one went up in peace and went down in peace.

Your average New Ager is not meant to do this.

Bix Nudelmann says:

I’ve been told this by people who have been afflicted by dark forces in their own real lives:

“Don’t worry, Bix. Witchcraft only gets to you through the part of you that’s interested in witchcraft.”

T says:

In Magick, the difference between the Left-Hand Path and the Right-Hand Path is that the former conceals the truth, hides it under a veil of ignorance and illusion, distracts you from what’s going on; whereas the latter does the opposite – it reveals that which is hidden and concealed, it opens up your eyes to reality, it allows and invites you to “notice.” In this sense, the Meme Magician is like Prometheus (but with a license from the Gods), or the Enoch of the Apocrypha, or a maybe Boddhisattva, if I may play fast and loose with the terminology.

Right-Hand Path summons Reality; Left-Hand Path summons Unreality. God and Devil, Truth and Deception, Right and Left.

The Left can’t meme because it can’t notice things about reality, nor does it want you to be able to notice things about reality – it’s like metaphysical (if not physical) lobotomy. For the very same reason, the Left “lost the funny” and can’t do comedy anymore. (It was very funny indeed when it was allowed to notice things.) Humor at its best points you Upwards, towards a Higher Truth; its real, that is divine, function is to reveal hitherto hidden truths in a comical manner, allowing those truths, which are often quite bitter indeed, to be more easily absorbed and digested by the wise and the foolish alike; the Joker is a cherished old-time archetype for a reason, and court jesters play a crucial role speaking truth to power when no one else would. A humorless society is a society without self-reflection, indeed without any reflection; a collection of automatons. From 4chan to BAP, from My Posting Career to Andrew Anglin, from Twitter shitposters with anime avatars to Donald J. Trump, and countless other examples both very old and very recent, it is pattern-noticing packaged in wit and humor that gives birth to Meme Magic.

Right-Wing (Right-Hand Path) Magick works because the memes are funny and the patterns noticed inside the joke match observable reality. You can manifest your will in reality using lulz, because there is a grain of truth in every joke, and the jokes you make are the hidden truths you choose to reveal, the patterns you notice and want others to notice as well. If the message hidden inside the joke actually matches reality, and only if it matches reality, it works. Normie Pepe was useless, but Smug Pepe defeated the Left; it is through the comical effect that GNON’s disciples practice and apply meme magic.

Welcome to Right-Wing Esoterica, nigga.

Bix Nudelmann says:

Also, the Cominator is Starcon 2 posting now, so everything great in my life is knitting together nicely. You can’t plan this.

River Kelvin says:

I agree demon possessions [*deleted*]

Jim says:

None of the core doctrines of Christianity detected. Give us the Christian affirmation.

Contaminated NEET says:

Demons are not independent entities. They are a metaphor for the evil that we all have within us. They do not physically cut your flesh with claws while you’re asleep; that is completely insane. “Demons” might possess you and make you claw yourself or someone else. Tucker clawed himself in his sleep, or his wife did, or his dogs were thrashing around, or something. Or he invented the story as some kind of bizarre cynical Machiavellian ploy. He’s a CIA man; they lie like they breathe.

Jim says:

> Demons are not independent entities. They are a metaphor for the evil that we all have within us.

Whatever they are, they tend to present as nonself and hostile. On the other hand, crediting them as being nonself is a form of believing in them, which gives them power.

T says:

Leftisms are ideologies motivated by human failure modes, thus leading to social entropy, and the extreme versions of those very same failure modes are scarcely distinguishable from what used to be called demonic possession. (One need not be a schizo to be utterly batshit insane.) What are the traditional “sins,” if not failure modes of the human character and condition? These are corrupt versions of otherwise healthy instincts and impulses; perversion and sometimes inversion. Taken to the extreme, these sins invite in the demons, literal or metaphorical; translated into ideologies, you get this or that form of leftism; the more radical, the more demonic. Jim likes to talk about it in the context of envy, but other traditional sins apply too.

If Tucker lied about it so brazenly and shamelessly, for no other reason than self-promotion, that too is from the Father of Lies. So whether or not it happened, and whether demons are literal or metaphorical, it’s clear that a human failure mode of some kind was activated.

The Japanese have a term, ikigai, which means sense of purpose in life or motivating force. When you are following a path in life contrary to your ikigai, well that is apt to cause major trouble, and it could be that that was what Tucker had gone through. Having discovered or rediscovered the correct path for himself, having aligned with his ikigai, at least for the time being, the demons have fled away. Or maybe it was all a lie and he is simply an agent of The Man Downstairs, like all shameless liars are.

Jim says:

I have had some miracles and prophecies. Maybe Tucker is deluded, maybe I am deluded, maybe he scratched himself. Or maybe he pissed off a demon by deciding to make a move that he knew would end the career he had, which was becoming more and more compromising and morally costly.

But he is not lying. I can tell.

Bouncer says:

To rephrase a comment I made recently about this topic on the “William Maize” blog:
For those reluctant to personify the capital-d Devil or demons as an actual entity, one can still frame the subject as a sort of quasi-sentient malicious belief-package (a “meme” in the original Dawkins sense) which leads to self-destruction when absorbed by a human mind. This seems a useful approach to take when discussing the topic of evil with atheists or agnostics.

https://williammaize.substack.com/p/the-demon-haunted-world/

Neurotoxin says:

Calling the election: It’s nice that Bezos (WaPo), the LA Times, and USA Today are refusing to endorse Kamala and that everyone is already saying “It’s over, Trump’s got it.” E.g. Simplicius at https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/zelensky-once-more-puts-allies-under:
“What the potpourri of intel seems to suggest to me, is everyone is sensing an end to the [Ukraine] conflict, and Zelensky must have advanced warning that “support” could collapse even further—for instance with Trump now certain to win. As such, Zelensky could be on his last leg…” (Emphasis added.)

I love hearing stuff like this, but what is any of this based on? If electoral fraud is decentralized, as I believe it is, then nothing that Bezos knows is relevant. He doesn’t know what street-level fraudsters in Detroit and Philadelphia are going to do. Therefore his behavior is not an informative signal about any inside knowledge. Same for Simplicius, etc.

So here’s my current read/prediction: the actual fraud will succeed in getting Harris to “win.” However, it’s not over then, because this time X/Twitter will actually allow discussion of the evidence for fraud. Possibly also the WaPo, LA Times, and USA Today, though that remains to be seen. For ex., I mentioned a few posts back that Zuckerberg admitted, in a letter to Congress, to Facebook’s censorship of the Hunter Biden stories, and he said that FB won’t play along with that crap any longer. Alas, Meta employee admits that they censor anti-Harris material:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13970987/Facebook-engineer-admits-site-automatically-demotes-anti-Kamala-posts-help-Democrats.html

Overall, though, it looks like the most likely scenario is that Harris is frauded into a “win” but then there’s actual talk about that fraud in popular discourse. Then what? Civil war? Or maybe Trump and Harris both show up at the Inauguration and say, “Administer the oath of Office to me.” Or they both show up at the White House in January and say, “I’m the duly elected President; let me in”?

One more wild card: judges. Last time they were on the side of the enemy. Will they still be? Or are they getting tired of having to support coups by electoral alchemy?

Jim says:

> If electoral fraud is decentralized, as I believe it is, then nothing that Bezos knows is relevant.

It is an open secret that electoral fraud is run by a big centralised bureauracracy. Recollect the famous zoom call over the 2020 election, and when the planned rigging turned out to be insufficient, emergency rigging proceeded with uniform timing, indicating a single decision and a single plan.

Neurotoxin says:

“Recollect the famous zoom call over the 2020 election…”

I’m not aware of this. Link?

If it is centralized, that plus Thermidor waking up is very good news.

Jim says:

A search on the keywords that the right used yielded, unsurprisingly nothing, so I searched on goodthink keywords. Got this Like all big highly centralised conspiracies, leaked massively. The linked article is their spin and limited hangout on what leaked.

Neurotoxin says:

Jin, Bouncer, thank you for those links. The Aiken Standard one links to the Time one, which I’m reading now. It details the astounding amount of coordination. I can’t believe I wasn’t aware of this article; it’s kind of embarrassing.

Everyone knew they did the social media censorship and the legal challenges to anti-fraud measures, etc. I didn’t know that all that stuff was coordinated to this extent; the weekly zoom calls with hundreds of people on the call, for example. And this is the stuff that the Left, via Time, is actually confessing to!

Reading…

Jim says:

They did not confess until after it was all over the internet.

Neurotoxin says:

I’m done with the Time article. Had to read it in chunks because my blood kept boiling. It’s an admission against interest in which a left-establishment publication confesses to the overall protect-the-fraud operation in 2020. The obvious motive is to spread a tainted version of the truth to co-opt the untainted version. It’s crystal-clear when you translate from leftist propaganda language to plain English, which everyone here is used to doing. (Over and over again it does things like describe a leftist mob following a politician as “making sure he knows he’s being scrutinized” while conservative Michiganers trying to observe the vote-counting are described as “an unruly mob of Trumpers trying to disrupt the vote-counting process.” Etc. It’s the usual, in other words.)

Here’s what emerges. There actually is an incredible amount of coordination and cooperation in the overall fraud operation. It’s not that the actual act of say, taking a ballot, erasing “Trump” and writing in “Biden” is centralized – that may be decentralized. But focusing on that is focusing on the wrong question. Or rather, it’s focusing on just one component of an overall operation that has many components.

The various components of the overall fraud operation were explicitly coordinated with each other. There’s the actual fraud, but there’s also the earlier attempts to get mail-in ballots used as broadly as possible, the legal challenges to attempts to thwart the fraud, the enemy judges who swat down all attempts to maintain electoral integrity (though the article doesn’t mention them), the mobs of “protesters” intimidating politicians who are part of the vote certification process, the gaslighting propaganda blitz saying “You did not just see massive electoral fraud,” the “meetings” with people like Zuckerberg to sway Facebook’s censorship policies, etc. I may be the last one to realize just how coordinated all this is, so I feel like I’m late to the party.

The good news is that a lot of this machinery is probably amenable to changes of heart among the Thermidoreans. E.g. the Time piece mentions in a couple of places that the Department of Commerce was all-in on helping the fraud. If enough tech bros have enough sway with Commerce, maybe they can prevent that this time around. (Or already have done so – the entire process starts many months before “election day” of course.) Same with the social media landscape itself, obviously. No way in hell am I predicting Trump in a walkover – but it does look like there will actually be serious opposition to them getting away with it again, a fight, a yuuuuge public conflict about the legitimacy of the election in which there is not just one Megaphone spewing one Narrative, but two Megaphones in conflict with each other. Fingers crossed.

The Cominator says:

Did anyone here not know about this article about how they “fortified” the election? I’m surprised you haven’t read it before NT?

Neurotoxin says:

I’m surprised too. I remember the word “fortified” being used by one of the guys who operated a voting machine. That’s what I thought the origin of the term was. How this article slipped under my radar I don’t know.

Nerotoxin says:

Thanks. I’ll post again later.

Neurotoxin says:

Note “Nerotoxin” and Neurotoxin are not the same.

notglowing says:

If Harris is declared the winner after Nov 4th, I don’t expect Trump to be able to turn it around, no matter how blatant the fraud is, no matter how it’s discussed on social media.

Elections, even fake ones, are an effective way for the elite to coordinate and unite, one way or another, rallying around whoever is declared the victor, and the managerial state which would control the legal process to affect the outcome is already biased against Trump to begin with.

It would be easy for them to unite to her side at that point, regardless of current doubts.
Everyone who questioned the election was punished harshly last time, including individuals, lawyers, media outlets like fox news. They made an example of everybody, and overturning the fraud ultimately failed. Trump backed down, and they know he’ll do the same again. Why would people risk their neck for him a second time, knowing the ultimate outcome? Last time he *was* already president, and had far more influence within the government, and far greater potential to stage a “self-coup” than he does now. And they still took it from him.

I hope Jim is right, that the fraud is highly centralized, and that they’re not well coordinated this time. But I keep hearing reports of “random” events such as voting machine “malfunctions” counting errors, and various types of seemingly decentralized fraud *already happening*.
It might seem like a good thing since a lot of it is being addressed, but it won’t matter if enough of it goes under the radar. Much easier to do it than to catch it, even harder to stop it once so many ballots are being cast and counted on nov 4th.

So many times have I held hope for Trump, and so many times have I been disappointed with the results. Why would this time be different, when he’s facing a greater challenge than ever before?
Jim predicted he’d be fighting a civil war at this point. That he’d be president or leader of a rebellion on January 20th, 2021. Neither of those happened. As usual, the Cathedral made every bad decision they could make, but they still won by default by controlling every lever of power and every procedural outcome. And the opposition by Trump and his legal Team between the election and inauguration was pathetic and weak.

Whichever way it goes, I hope this is the last election. I am sick of the lies, the fraud, and the subsequent gaslighting, as well as the gloating from leftists about how they got away with it and “won”. This theatre needs to end. Spending all this time looking at current events, holding out hope, being worried about this nonsense wears on me. It’s been 10 years since 2015.

Jim says:

The 2022 election was rigged to insure uniparty control of the Republican party. And yet, the uniparty is no longer in control of the Republican party. This is radical

The Ukraine has exhausted US weapon supplies, the US is losing the dollar as the world currency, the big blue cities have become intolerably unpleasant, and the deficit is soaring to unparalleled levels. The end is in sight. The point of the 2020 steal was to restore the old Clinton/Bush/Obama normal. That normal is going away one way or another way. As the Titanic heads towards the iceberg, a fight has broken out over control of the wheel and the engines. I have been watching Youtube videos of Washington elites talking to Washington elites, and from time to, formerly unthinkable and unspeakable truth bombs go off.

There was total lockstep uniformity in the elite in pronouncing the 2020 and 2022 elections legitimate. A 2024 steal would have to be even more blatant than the 2020 steal, and seeing truth bombs exploding, such unity is far from guaranteed this time around.

> Elections, even fake ones, are an effective way for the elite to coordinate and unite

Opposite of the truth. Fake elections require the elite to coordinate and unite in order to pull it off.

Neurotoxin says:

Notglowing has an important perspective here; it’s not just mindless black pilling. He points out that the left controls many important levers of power.

I hope Jim is right, that the fraud is highly centralized, and that they’re not well coordinated this time.

There’s no doubt that it’s highly coordinated; the confessions in the Time article make that very clear. The question is what Thermidor can do about it. WHO is Thermidor? If it’s just a bunch of tech bros, that probably won’t be enough, unless their ability to unleash counter-narratives is very large indeed. OTOH, if it includes officials who certify votes in key places, or people who can influence such officials, then maybe things could be different this time.

Here’s another one: It is plain that Musk has some hardcore protection from some faction that is seriously pissed off at the current regime. That faction has the power to protect Musk in no-nonsense physical ways. Otherwise he would have been assaulted by a mob or killed by now. Suppose that faction has had some quiet conversations with key judges in key states, saying “Observe we have the power to protect Musk from the left, and we can protect you too if you slap down the fraud.” That could make a decisive difference.

Admittedly this is largely just wishful thinking. And yet there is some evidence for it; the protection of Musk, the fact that he even was allowed to get control of Twitter in the first place, the balking of Bezos et al on endorsing the Democrat. It is obvious that there is a Thermidorean faction and that they have some oomph.

Do they have enough?

Jim says:

We shall shortly see if the Thermidorean faction has sufficient oomph. Bezos and Zuckerberg are hedging their bets. Musk is all in.

It is obvious that massive fraud is planned by the governing faction. It is rather less obvious that the governing faction still actually governs. The fraud will be carried out by the cat ladies of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion, whose ability to accomplish anything is uncertain.

It is obvious that Bezos and Zuckerberg do not know whether Trump will be permitted to win. They display a clear and obvious lack of confidence that fix is in, yet at the same time are obviously uncertain that the fix is out.

Karl says:

Massive fraud is not sufficient. They also need the courts, at the very least the supreme court, various local administrations, law enforcement, etc.

Last time the fraud was obvious, and they got away with it because all institutions of power were Ok with it. If the some sheriffs say there was fraud in their town, if the FBI, CIA or whatever say there was fraud, or some courts say there was fraud, the ballots suddenly don’t mean much

Bouncer says:

I believe Jim has previously stated that the DoD is the group likely to be backing Musk, simply because of how important satellites are for the modern military. The military also has a slow enough turnover at the uppermost levels that it can visualize (some of ) the long-term consequences of the DEI/”muh vagina’s voice” agenda.

This article in the British Telegraph may be an indicator that there are major changes in non-military elite opinion quietly taking place right now: https://archive.md/uUa4b

notglowing says:

Opposite of the truth. Fake elections require the elite to coordinate and unite in order to pull it off.

But that isn’t really the opposite, at least not in the way I intended my comment. It requires coordination obviously, but that also makes it a unifier and the victor can become a rallying point after.
Whoever has enough pull in the Cathedral, through media or manipulation of procedural outcomes, to be declared the victor, will have everyone else on the Cathedral’s side fall in line with him (unless it’s an enemy like Trump of course)
Why did the soviet union need elections, even if those elections were a sham? It’s both a test of unity and a way for elites to reassure each other of the consensus – not of the “governed”, but rather amongst themselves.

The 2022 election was rigged to insure uniparty control of the Republican party. And yet, the uniparty is no longer in control of the Republican party.

This is true at least in terms of what they openly support politically, and Trump has been effective at that. Anti-trumpers slowly got voted out, and current republicans are more based than they used to be, to some degree.
The republican party seems to have been able to even stop fraud at a local level in a few places recently. This is all good, but the issue is that the same republican party has long been expelled from institutions and bureaucracy anyways.

The Ukraine has exhausted US weapon supplies, the US is losing the dollar as the world currency, the big blue cities have become intolerably unpleasant, and the deficit is soaring to unparalleled levels. The end is in sight.

This is also true, but many of the underlying issues have been building up for a long time, and yet haven’t moved the needle in our favour enough to even just decelerate things getting worse until now. Their power to interfere with our ability to organize exceeds our ability to organize.
Things have been getting really heated for *nearly a decade* now (counting from Trump’s announcement in 2015), and several times I thought things would change, we just progressed in the same direction. Genuine, ideological opposition to the left *has* increased over time, though. It is nothing like 15 years ago. That’s not going back into the bottle anymore. There was a chance of that happening in 2016, not in 2024.

With some elite support, if “Thermidor” backs our side, things could be different. People like Musk and Marc Andreessen at least are on this side, but the state apparatchiks aren’t. Pressure against Musk from the managerial state is mounting, lately there’s been talk of stripping him of citizenship and nationalizing his companies due to him supposedly having lied about working in the US on a non-working visa or something decades ago. Peak political persecution and anarcho-tyranny, and I have a hard time believing even the US government would do something this insane, but that it is being discussed at all shows just how much hatred from them he has gained.

Either way, I hope Trump wins. If anything, we *could* at least get another four years of relative normality, and on a personal level, having supported Trump and wanted to see him succeed since 2015, having heard the endless mockery and sneer from the other side, it would give me satisfaction to see him win a second election, which in normal political terms would be a total victory for him, since there’s nothing greater that an american politician can theoretically get. In that sense, his career is “done” and the Trump experiment will at least not be regarded as a total failure, whether or not it achieves its ultimate aims.

However, I have been disappointed many times, and I will not be surprised if he’s not declared the victor on November 5th, in which case I just wouldn’t hold out hope that the result can be overturned.

Jim says:

If they can steal the election and stonewall everyone who notices the steal, then they have demonstrated unity, power, and cohesion, and Thermidor will sullenly line up behind them.

> many of the underlying issues have been building up for a long time, and yet haven’t moved the needle in our favour enough to even just decelerate things getting worse until now.

I never predicted nor expected deceleration. It has always been absolutely obvious that the left will get ever lefter, ever faster, until it self destructs. I have always predicted ever faster acceleration followed by collapse or total autogenocide.

Trees do not grow to the sky. They grow till they fall over. The only question in doubt is whether we will get destroyed with it. I never expected, nor predicted, deceleration.

External collapse is under way. Internal collapse will follow — possibly not until after they murder all straight white males, then all straights, all whites, and all males.

Leftism is bus whose accelerator has been welded to the floor, with half a dozen drivers fighting over the wheel. Leftism can stabilise only if one driver kills all of the others.

notglowing says:

https://x.com/njhochman/status/1852172049386529178
This is amazing. My favorite work of lefty hysteria art to date.

It really is amazing. Definitely recommend watching it. I wish Trump and Vance were half as based as leftists make them out to be.

DH says:

Every idea they put up out there will come back to haunt them – the internet is the great desensitizer, and what you support ironically today, you will support unironically tomorrow. Let them inflame the public imagination, for a dystopia according to the evil is not very far from a utopia according to the good. Inadvertently, they will meme MoonMan into being real.

Pax Imperialis says:

We had a beautiful life. The best parties. The most beautiful friends.

They really believe this?

and the West burned, and cities across the country became uninsurable and then uninhabitable.

They think hypothetical climate change will achieve what dindus have increasingly accomplished 60+ years ago.

Mayflower Sperg says:

And they included footage of racist white Republicans burning down liberal Democratic cities back in 2020. Shall we do that again if Trump loses? Or do it anyway even if Trump wins?

dharmicreality says:

Cominator. Just watched that ugly lotus hag’s face on TV as the upcoming US election is increasingly covered in India. Words cannot describe my feelings for these creatures of darkness.

When it’s time for your assigned role in life hopefully you’ll leave the sincere leftist dot Indians to us. I fear you might be too merciful.

Cloudswrest says:

Off topic, but I’m in tears from all the memes flying on Twitter right now regarding “Peanut the squirrel”!!!! Even Trump and Musk have piped up on the issue. This couldn’t come at a better time for Trump! In case you’re unaware, a popular social media account based in NY, involving a pet squirrel, was raided by the NYS DEC. The squirrel was confiscated and euthanized. Many of the NYS DEC administrators have been doxxed on Twitter by Oilfield Rando, and they’ve all locked their accounts. One thing that stands out from their dept. bios is that none of them have any background in environmental science. They all seem to be public sinecures of political patronage, highlighting their woke credentials.

Here’s a Musk tweet. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1852740420448539064

Here’s Trump on the issue.

There have been horrible reports out of New York, my former home state, where state environmental agents raided the home of Mark Longo and his wife. Mark was taken into custody for hours while officials searched his home and eventually took two of their pets, Fred the Raccoon and Peanut the Squirrel. These animals were later executed by the state of New York.

New York authorities, under their terrible Governor, put more effort in finding an eliminating a squirrel, who was innocent by all accounts, than they do to control the unchecked illegal immigrants who have flooded their state. If Peanut could have told them he was from Mexico, they would have sent him on his way and given him a hotel room and a $500 gift card to Buddy Squirrel. Instead, he was taken from his family. Very sad, and a complete waste of resources! When we win, we will get our priorities in order and MAGA!

Jim says:

The woke have pathological and hostile reaction to cuteness, analogous to the abnormal reaction of gays to breasts.

Hostility and hatred towards cuteness is associated with the cult of Moloch, distaste to boobs with the cult of Ishtar.

The Cominator says:

The modern left is increasingly mask off demonic. They killed his squirrel on a thin pretext because they could because it would make him suffer.

DH says:

It’s a death cult. They want everyone dead and everything destroyed, and all goodness and beauty erased off of the Earth – and they think it’s hilarious, too. On the plus side, everyone outside the cult can now clearly see the demons at work and wants nothing to do with these freaks.

All that’s left is to cast them out of this world and back into the realm whence they came, where the fireplace never runs out of wood. Oy vey, that’s a lot of CO2.

The Cominator says:

Very very few people could really until VERY recently recognize just how fucking bad they were… how its basically like Jonestown at scale. One of the newer right wing ecelebs who isn’t actually even that right wing in himself (he basically admits that ideally he would just want 80s leftism forever and admits that he recognizes the woman problem but wishes the answer didn’t have to be eternal slavery for all women forever) is very clear on how bad they are and one of his recent videos discusses it very bluntly. He puts it as you did, they hate you, they want you to suffer, they think your suffering is hilarious. Very few people speak in these terms about the left or have until recently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap8yEltnfX8

Hes not in his heart a reactionary hes definitely a guy who wants 80s leftism but hes sort of aware its not very easy to just keep 80s leftism. The appeal of 80s leftism with people who are against the current left may be another problem because it seems to be what the vast majority of people want to go back to but Jim’s view certainly and hes probably right is it just isn’t sustainable. I think if I were in charge of the secret police I could probably sustain it a lot longer than he thinks by just disappearing would be leftist troublemaker especially those with priestly and intellectual pretensions (though that might kill the vibe) but probably not forever.

DH says:

I make (anti) Jewish jokes endlessly, such as the one I just did above, but when the Left became frothing-at-the-mouth genocidal eliminationist against the Jews following 10.7 of the past year, it was instantly obvious to me that Harvard transitioned to full-on Sorathic evil.

The Cominator says:

I for the most part take the generally unpopular role of mostly defending at least some of the Jews in far right spaces as I’ve known too many Jews and think the left would exists without them and while there are many bad Jews I’ve actually known a few Jews who were super good guys. I’ve mentioned one who is in Musk’s orbit… It also became apparent to me many years ago that Natsoc is a wedge ideology astroturfed by the enemy though it has sincere adherents. Anglin was a sincere adherent at one point I think hes moved on. I generally don’t think excessive focus on the Jews is helpful.

Why the left has turned on them with such a fury… well Jews good and evil ones alike tend to be a big applecart and we’re running out of apples already.

Jim says:

Thermidor is disturbingly Jewish, and alliance with Thermidor is going to be necessary. Though history tells us that Thermidor usually has initial alliance with the right and reaction, and then usually usually violently breaks that alliance, while accepting some parts of the reactionary program and not others. If Trump is allowed to be re-elected, that does not necessarily mean smooth sailing all the way through 2026.

Purge of the woke coming, purge of Jews by the woke likely coming. Big wins for us in both purges. We, however, may be the next in line for purging after them. Expect the unexpected.

Musk is the wild card here. Musk and RFK Junior know where the bodies are buried. Musk told Trump he can cut two trillion of waste and corruption, and Trump figured that if Musk can do the impossible with rockets, he can do the impossible with waste and corruption. Everyone in the Trump camp is betting on Musk to solve the financial crisis. But corruption is political. Very very political. A purge of the corrupt is scarcely distinguishable from a purge of woke, and even if Musk is bending over backwards to be politically neutral, it is going to be perceived as a purge of woke, and will necessitate what goes down in a state purge of the state apparatus. It is not apparent that Musk and Trump have grasped what has to go down in a purge of the state apparatus.

It is likely to be difficult to stop waste and corruption except by using the measures that Duterte successfully applied in Davao.

Musk is not a reactionary by any measure, but he is aware of and understands our memes. To purge waste and corruption, he is going to need reaction, though Trump and Musk are likely to find that a bit too much.

DH says:

Why the left has turned on them with such a fury… well Jews good and evil ones alike tend to be a big applecart and we’re running out of apples already.

Do remember, however, that some of the strongest anti-Jewish voices on the Left come from radical leftist Jews themselves. And if in the coming election, a majority of Jews vote for Kamala Himmler, then I really can’t defend that.

As for why non-Jewish leftists hate the Jews, I think it’s for the obvious reasons: the Jews are too white, too colonialist, too rich, too religious (never mind the large share of atheists coming from their ranks), and generally too successful. The Left basically hates the Jews for all the wrong reasons. Ironic, but the Left is the Left, and if there is even one positive quality among Jews, the Left will passionately hate the Jews for it.

The Left is the enemy of all life on Earth, and that includes squirrels, raccoons, Harambe the Gorilla, and even an ethnoreligious group practicing a disgusting and legalistic (and false and demonic) faith.

The Cominator says:

My position on leftists of all colors and creeds is remarkably consistent. They prettymuch all have to go. But in fact the top priority is white male gentile leftists. Every white gentile male should be able to know that every other white gentile male he meets is not a leftist.

The only large scale exceptions are women who are young enough, they will be treated as sex slaves but never to be given the dignity of wives.

DH says:

I agree 100% with that position.

The Cominator says:

It may finally be realized by many with this squirrel thing that it needs to be done… that these people (at least at the level where people get promoted) are not generally pursuing objectives of rational evil… where bad things are done to fufill the needs of ambition, lust or greed. That kind of evil is part of every human in the fallen world. Coveting may be evil but family members who were close will murder each other over a fortune, many close friends in history have murdered each other over coveting his wife (and women for husband too). I’m not saying its good or that ive done that but those are the types of evil even good people can understand. The left as is must be eradicated because their evil is far more malevolent and demonic in that they do evil for its own sake… it even goes beyond envy at this point (and I’m with Jim on envy in that leftist envy is foreign to me and I would argue it should be treated very harshly).

DH says:

As the left has been moving ever leftward, it has been selecting for adherents who are ever more stupid, ever more insane, and ever more evil. If not stupid, insane, and/or evil, there is simply no motivation to support the left at all. The concept of a “holiness spiral” used to be unique to this blog, but now all of humanity can see what Prophet Jim has been observing for a long while.

DH says:

Have I been spending too much time in this gas errr echo chamber? The Dark Enlightenment has 3 major fathers (Jim, Moldbug, Land) and 2 minor fathers (Spandrell, Radish), but I’m pretty sure that Jim inspired the whole thing and is the key voice in NRx. Officially, he is the least familiar of the bunch. But unofficially, I strongly suspect that anyone who is anyone is lurking here.

Fidelis says:

It is not apparent that Musk and Trump have grasped what has to go down in a purge of the state apparatus.

Musk at least makes it very clear he expects a fight, expects them to do everything they can to kill him while he excises the various tumors. He’s proven to be very good at personnel, and knows his life, and the lives of all his children, is at stake. If he can stay alive, I expect him to succeed at purging what he sees as the problem. The question is, what factions specifically are regarded as problems to be solved.

DH says:

The Gen Xers now replacing the Boomers want a return to 1980 leftism, but the younger generations are far more open to going full Jim than even I myself would have expected a few years ago. Particularly as it pertains to the WP; there really is an incel rebellion going on. So, as they say, “remember where you heard it first,” but possibly people would have reached quite similar conclusions even without this blog stating things as plainly as it does, through mere observation of reality and some research of the past, combined with ideas and memes being exchanged horizontally across the entire internet. But the concept of Holiness Spiral is unique, and it explains why and how Cthulhu is always swimming Left. Also, the solutions are found right here; you get both a diagnosis and a recommended treatment.

When younger millennials and zoomers come to power, will they “hold back”? Will they cuck out? I don’t think so, and I hope not.

The Cominator says:

We’ll see but as I said before if 2020s leftism is an evil demonic trannie you instictively want to kill with fire 1980s leftism is Christie Brinkley smiling at you in her Ferrari while a catchy song plays. 1980s leftism has an appeal (and 1950s) that is hard to resist for normies. Zoomers are so psychologically damaged in every possible way I don’t see them ever taking power.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ1bOtaMT9M

Jim says:

They are damaged by total sexual failure and terrible economic adversity. When a trajectory out of that that leads to a house, a wife, a garden, and children comes in sight, they will change.

DH says:

That world could only have existed for a short while; it’s nowhere in sight today. With Diversification on the one hand, and the full liberation of female sexuality on the other hand, correcting the course of civilization will require measures and methods that today might sound shockingly drastic and radical, but how else could it be done? People are now discovering that under the bed lurks a monster, called “the Left,” and as they learn the nature of the beast, they are bound to discover, one way or another, the things we’ve been discussing here for years. And when they do, will they even try to resurrect 1980s leftism, appealing as it might have been? Remember, Elon is really concerned about declining birth rates (unstated: among civilized populations; nobody wants more African Infinigger), and to fix that, need the solutions that traditional religions recommended. When Elon looks at Amish, Mormons, Orthodox Jews, and traditional Muslims, surely he can see that such little things called “marriage” and (to varying extents) “patriarchy” are present there. What will he eventually conclude?

JustAnotherGuy says:

Jim, I just don’t think anyone, thermidor or trump, is willing to provide a solution to the total sexual failure that is happening, like it is completely alien to them that there is even a problem.

Say Trump and Thermidor stabilize leftism, what use is there to solve the WP when everything seems to be going okay? Sure the TFR will be South Korea levels, but the economy will be still pretty nice right?

I don’t think they even see an issue with it. Musk can see it, but he is a businessman who wants to launch rockets, its not his job nor focus to solve the WP.

DH says:

hat use is there to solve the WP when everything seems to be going okay? Sure the TFR will be South Korea levels, but the economy will be still pretty nice right?

That’s just delaying the decline though, not averting it and correcting course. And it won’t even delay it by much; we can all see geriatric Japan right now. Either “someone, somehow” solves the problem, or civilization collapses. High-IQ people can follow in their minds current trends into the future; and it must be clear to the New Ruling Class where all this is going, and will continue to go if a solution isn’t found. Plus, being unable to get a girlfriend/wife (and make her stay) just plain sucks. There is a problem, and problems do call for solutions – or they aren’t solved. And we know what the solution is, no matter how “not nice” it is. You do what you gotta do.

DH says:

If things go right for Thermidor, it’s possible that sometime in the not-too-distant future we will see a high-profile public figure twitting ironically (totally, totally ironically) “I AM GOING TO SOLVE THE WOMAN PROBLEM” and from there on it’s just connecting the dots step by step. When crimestop stops, it should not be inconceivable.

Bix Nudelmann says:

Anything that drives “Infinigger” closer to being a household word, I support 100%.

“Infinigger: The World’s Foremost Problem”

Contaminated NEET says:

Musk isn’t going to purge anybody. That is a fantasy. If he tries, he’s going to get purged. They will assassinate him if they have to, but most likely they’ll just lawfare him into the ground: huge fines, removal from any position of leadership in the companies he’s built, maybe even jail time. Give me personally a small staff and a budget of a handful of millions, and I could, with no legal training at all, twist the law to find a dozen felonies to prosecute him for.

The enemy is extremely ruthless, extremely powerful, and moderately smart. Most importantly, everyone at every level of the bureaucracy and justice system is sympathetic to them and their goals. They suck at governing, but they are masters at gaining and maintaining power.

Jim says:

Musk knows what he is heading into and he is smarter than you are.

> Musk isn’t going to purge anybody. That is a fantasy. If he tries, he’s going to get purged.

RFK Junior has discovered what he is heading into, and he is still headed in the same direction. Musk posted the Dark Maga/Reactionary meme.

Contaminated NEET says:

It doesn’t matter how smart Musk is, get him into a courtroom with a hostile judge and a hostile jury, and he will lose.

If he truly knew what was coming, he’d play his cards a lot closer to his chest. He shitpoasts like a 4chan basement dweller, which admittedly appeals to me a lot, but it’s like a French soldier wearing red pants in WWI. I suppose it’s good for elan, but he doesn’t understand the war he’s in, and it’s really just going to get him shot in the ass. He was the King of the Electric Car for years, the Reddit-whisperer, the man who would drag us back into space. Libs loved him and his companies. He could have crouched in the tall grass until he could spring a deadly ambush; instead he announced with trumpets that he is Public Enemy Number Two.

Jim says:

> It doesn’t matter how smart Musk is, get him into a courtroom with a hostile judge and a hostile jury, and he will lose.

Sulla also had a problem with hostile courts, being convicted in absentia for everything and the kitchen sink.

Musk says if Trump loses, Musk is screwed. Which would imply he thinks that if Trump wins, he is not screwed. Does not mean he is correct to think so, but he is smart, and knows where the bodies are buried. Last time around, everyone around Trump who displayed any loyalty got lawfared into the ground. And yet, a whole lot of people whom the establishment does not much like are lining up to go in with Trump.

When Tony Abbot told the Australian supreme court to take a hike, every judge in the land took a hike. An enormous number of court cases disappeared, never to return. Judges have no independent power. They do what they are damned well told. The central government tells them what to do, laws be damned, so the question is, can the merely elected government exercise control over the permanent government? Obvious Trump, Musk, and RFK Junior think it can. Tucker asked Trump this question, and Trump replied that the first time, he had been out his depth, but this time around, he knows what he is doing. Could be Trump and Musk are fooling themselves. Could well be. But they know more than you do, and Musk is smarter than you are.

Contaminated NEET says:

Sulla had a victorious army. Musk has a bunch of ledgers in systems run and controlled by his enemies that say he’s very rich.

Pax Imperialis says:

Musk also knows how to run and operate a company that is almost single handily responsible for the vast majority of lift capacity. If DOD wants to remain at all relevant, they need Musk. It’s not just ledgers in a book. There’s real power invested in him.

Musk, as many are finding out, did not have the option to remain in the good graces of the left. Sooner or later they would have devour him and called it justice.

Fidelis says:

If you’re going to FUD at least invent some new and interesting information to do it with.

Musk is already in the crosshairs for every minor and major court around. Somehow he is not being tried. Funny thing, that. Almost like he isn’t acting alone.

T says:

>Musk, as many are finding out, did not have the option to remain in the good graces of the left. Sooner or later they would have devour him and called it justice.

Precisely. When they encounter a Great Man capable of Great Things, they may pretend like they respect him for a while, but instinctively and subconsciously they start plotting his demise, and he would always be a mere uncouth entrepreneur (not a lofty priest, like they are) in their eyes, always suspicious, and the greater his achievements, the more suspicious. Leftists (at least of the Death Cult variety, which is now dominant) much prefer when things go BOOM than when things work out, and they had already been turning against Silicone Valley, that notorious hotbed of racist sexist homophonic transphobic straight white male neoreactionaries, several years prior to the Thermidorean Moment. They would never allow the sperglord to fulfill his big beautiful dreams, not without major and escalating trouble.

He flipped at about the right time.

DH says:

You can have Squirrel-Americans or Karen-Americans, but you can’t have both.

One of these groups belongs in a rape-dungeon, and I’m no zoophile.

Hesiod says:

The bull-dyke who murdered Peanut:

https://x.com/Oilfield_Rando/status/1852822272957944044

Very much the image of Miss Hardcastle from Lewis’ That Hideous Strength.

Pax Imperialis says:

What in the world is going on with that uniform!? It’s like they’re trying to have the honor of (para) military service without actually being a military.

Contaminated NEET says:

You will respect my authoritah!

Anon says:

Lmao

Cloudswrest says:

Or Miss Trunchbull from Matilda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntirWguFrfM

Pax Imperialis says:

The actress Pam Ferris said:

I was obsessed with work in my youth. It’s why I didn’t get married until I was 38 and the reason I didn’t have kids. Not having children isn’t a sadness in my life, though. I know I wouldn’t have been a half-bad mother, but that’s what happened. There’s no regretting it.

Very sad, but also explains why she was such a good fit for the roles she played.

Please do not compare Mr. Trump to Bill Gates. Trump is the most excellent statesman of our lifetime, and Bill Gates is the single worst person ever to walk the face of the earth.

Jim says:

Very true, and Bill Gates accomplished his remarkably one sided deals with methods considerably less scrupulous than those by which Trump accomplished his remarkably one sided deals. The sting in a Gates deal was usually the default clause, where Gates would make sure that his counterparty defaulted, with consequences far worse for the counterparty than the counterparty expected, while the sting in Trump’s deals was apt to be that if he defaulted, the consequences were considerably less adverse than his counterparty expected.

Trump cleaned up much of his debt with highly lucrative bankruptcies, while Bill Gates acquired lots of IP by his counterparty agreeing to do something that the counterparty believed it could do, but Bill Gates knew it could not.

But the greatest strength of both of them in negotiations is that both of them can accurately assess the lowest price a counterparty will accept, and the highest price a counterparty will pay. Putin’s enormous weakness is that he hungers for the West’s acceptance and approval of Russia, for which he is likely to pay far too high a price.

It is the same weakness as Alexander the Liberator. On the other hand, Putin has one big advantage over Alexander the Liberator. He has Alexander the Liberator as an example of what not to do.

Karl says:

Putin also has a big advantage in that he has a better Patriarch than Alexander the Liberator. Patriarch Kirill doesn’t tell Putin that it would be the right thing to suck up to the West

Infiniggered says:

progjews and soccoms fucked up africa for profit and political win over you.

africa was nice stable, land could only support so many niggers, and land never gave enough to let the nigger develop. nevertheless, it was an old style nigger paradise, they was kangs, they had nekkid zebra bitches, and chillen.

then the progs told ppl to cry for those niggers, and said ‘we are the world’, and they made you pay to feed all those niggers bread.

so the niggers did what well fed energized niggers do… they bred like cockroaches on bread.

but the land was still as dead as the niggers sun-cooked brain was to develop it.

so you got infiniggers+++ living off imported bread, dependent like, and they went from being kangs, to po skinny folk. law of conservation of land or some shit.

so then you got those po created infiniggers being imported into your lands. via their ngo’s who made straps upon straps of $billys at your expense.

all because cry for the nigger.

who both nature and god designed to live in harmony with, and on, their own original land.

moral: dont let them fuck with designers shit, or you’ll continue to get infiniggered… as they are doing again now 45 years later via south america and everywhere else they can make your soft brains cry about and import from.

next story: gaids and gates and soros

T says:

Thoroughly enjoyed that post.

But the motivation isn’t profit, or isn’t primarily profit. They are out to destroy civilization; the means may switch, swerve, and swap, but the ultimate goal remains the same.

Pax Imperialis says:

There’s a disturbing number of newer Biden era officers who can’t read and understand a simple 2×2 table. If you want to really blow their minds, make it a 2×3. That recruitment lull really hurt. They really had to scrap the bottom of the barrel to miss recruitment numbers anyways. Really, at this point, why does the officer corps even exists? Oh right, war is inherently political so you always end up with political commissars to ensure the reliability of the troops, and commissars don’t need to be terribly intelligent for the most part.

This newer officer corps is horribly prejudiced against the better part of the country. The numerous times I’ve heard young officers openly describe rural white America as ignorant-uneducated-stupid-racists… it absolutely sucks the air out of the room because no one can call that shit out. Well, you can but it opens you up to all sorts of suspicions of thoughtcrimes.

Least we not forget the female officers who are now gender integrated in training. Lots of clown world stuff goes on pertaining them. I know multiple male officers that secretly start recording conversations they have when having to deal with them, and the thing is, the recording could completely vindicate them but it won’t make much of a difference. Just making them feel bad is a crime.

Lots of men in the military are reactionary (and parts of DOD appears to be positioning itself for that), but Trump needs to win and give them the green light.

Karl says:

“There’s a disturbing number of newer Biden era officers who can’t read and understand a simple 2×2 table.”

Why do you call that disturbing? Such things give me hope

Pax Imperialis says:

There’s general IQ decline everywhere. Is that not disturbing on it’s own?

Also, dumb people are dangerous. Dumb people in positions of authority are more dangerous. Dumb people in positions of power are cataclysmically dangerous. Do you know who it was holding back State Department from going full retard in Ukraine these past few years? It was mostly upper echelon DOD. Had Nuland and her sort gotten their way the nukes may have very well flown. Had the current crop of new officers been the ones occupying Pentagon offices, may have very well gone along with State.

Dharmicreality says:

It’s the argument that if not for the smart older gen technocrats, the collapse of GAE will be quicker and all the better for a restoration.

Pax Imperialis says:

Sure, without them, collapse of GAE would be much quicker, but that’s no guarantee restoration would be automatically next. There’s a whole lot of bad things that could happen in the intermittence. Nukes flying and something similar to bronze age collapse comes to mind. As bad as they were, and for all their crimes, they inadvertently did buy us time, and some of them constitute Thermidor and are the ones opening the door to us and not the left. Reaction wasn’t ready 20 years ago. It might be now.

Jim says:

With depopulation and falling IQ (because smart women are substantially less successful than stupid women at reproducing in the current environment, because they have more “success” at following the false life plan) we are on track for the Bronze Age collapse. To fix the problem, have to preferentially enforce the property rights in women of taxpaying and upper class males. For smart women to reproduce more successfully than dumb women, their marriages have to be more arranged by their smart long time preference fathers.

The entire west is falling into the crapper, because IQ levels have fallen, but most of the fall is in the elite. A quite small smart fraction in power suffices to run a well functioning society. The short term, and relatively fixable problem, is that our officially unofficial state religion selects for evil and stupidity, and has been selecting harder and harder. The longer term problem is that selecting the elite from the smart fraction means Singapore: The smart fraction then lives in the heart of the gene shredder.

Observing international comparisons, a quite small fall in IQ is sufficient to make democracy unworkable. Due to mass migration and the gene shredder, IQ levels have fallen to a level where democracy is unlikely to be an option, even if we had a relatively virtuous elite. Short term, sufficient to overthrow the evil and insane state religion, and replace it with a more functional one. The real solution is a republic with a restricted franchise and a high fertility elite, or a monarchy with a fertile aristocracy.

Dharmicreality says:

From the point of view of a denizen within the GAE no doubt a quick collapse would be bad and uncomfortable, but for the rest of the world, a quick collapse of GAE would avoid long and expensive external war which has the potential to become World War 3 and create widespread disaster.

The world outside is already taking steps to avoid or at least mitigate a complete collapse if the GAE goes insane and nuclear. Many countries are already openly declaring neutrality. The GAE media seems to be scrupulously turning a blind eye to developments outside their bubble.

The GAE is becoming isolated rapidly as the old institutions like UN and the world bank are becoming irrelevant.

For example, I don’t think folk within the GAE sphere, even dissident right for that matter, understand how much the BRICS has progressed into an alternative to the dollar. The current steps are merely to formalise what is already happening. Much of trade between non-GAE countries especially BRICS is happening in local Fiat though unsatisfactory is already well shielded from GAE financial terrorism,

Local media reported that Indian companies sanctioned by US for supplying “forbidden” tech to Russia reported that are not much affected anyway as most of them don’t do business with the US anyway.

Karl says:

I agree to what Dharmicreality wrote above. Just want to add that the GAE is changing as well and I expect that some countries will break away from it.

GAE collapse will be lot different for someone in the US and someone in Europe

Karl says:

Sure, dumb people are dangerous, but intelligent evil people are more dangerous.

My (possibly wrong) impression is that by and large in the Biden area decent people were neither appointed nor promoted. So dumb is the best I can hope for

notglowing says:

I do wonder, is it better to have smart evil people or dumb evil people? Live under smart evil people was better. We have a mix of both, and thus the worst of both right now.

As Jim said a while ago, the problem is that smart evil people cannot trust each other, so they have to appoint people dumber and less capable than them to be their subordinates or fear being replaced. So you go from one to the other, almost inevitably. Only an elite of good people has the trust necessary to promote based on competence.

DH says:

Smart and evil is unsustainable, but dumb and evil is even more unsustainable – it’s all fun and games until the electricity goes out, never to be repaired again. So the questions you should be asking are “can I stay safely out of it?” and/or “can I stop it?”

And I suspect that if you don’t stop it, you won’t be able to stay safely out of it, not for long. They plan for all of Earth to be Mogadishu, and even that is a tremendous concession to civilization on their part – ideally, they’d much prefer everyone dead and everything destroyed.

Harvard delenda est.

The Cominator says:

Depends on the kind of evil. Smart and rational evil in power will not do things to undermine a society it controls… we have irrational demonic and sadistic evil.

Karl says:

I agree to the Comminator’s comment above and just want to add that it also matters where these dumb people are. I’m on different continent and won’t suffer when the lights go out in the US. Rather, some things that are now impossible in Germany might then suddenly become possible.

At least for me dumb and stupid in charge in the US is much better than dumb and evil in charge in the US, especially in the case of the kind of evil that wants to kill all whites everywhere

River Kelvin says:

Shill test: [*deleted for failure to pass the shill test*]

Jim says:

No thought crimes detected. Why is that where the higher races never set foot, blacks only had mud huts? (We have ample evidence that the great Zimbabwe was built by Hebrew gold miners, and Ethiopian aristocracy always claimed Hebrew descent) What is it about the nature of women that leads to collapse of societies that emancipate women.

River Kelvin says:

societies that emancipate women are bound to collapse because women are feral blindly following ancient sexual instincts which will lead them to waste their youth, beauty and fertility chasing after alpha males who will use and dump them leaving them miserable. Patriachy is a way to allow every man of goodwill to posses a wife and have a chance of procreating and attaining to immortality, this gives incentive for men to build for the future and risk life and limb to protect the society, this incentive is wholly lacking where women are emancipated and pornography is all young men have access to which kills their manly Spirit. A society, a church and a civilisation which emancipates it’s women will suffer demographic decline relative to it’s neighbours and eventually will get conquered and it’s way of life is vanquished and disappears from the earth.
Concerning Africa I’ll be brief but in the Northern climates where snow falls there is civic freedom but in tropics where the banana grows the animal system is pampered and spoilt at the cost of higher virtues which are never greatly developed. The process of Evolution is not discreete but continuos and Darwin could have drawn the boundary anywhere between man and beast and just as well have excluded the Tribes living in sub Saharan Africa from the group Humanity without inconsistency in the Science. Global warming science is like a barrel of wine mixed with a drop of sewage and the result is sewage.
God is One and God is Three. God the Father the Divine Essence, God the Son who is the Divine Existere and God the Spirit who is the Divine proceeding as heat and light from fire are not separate from the fire in any practical way.
If everything I have seen in Gaza hasn’t made me an antisemite nothing will.

Jim says:

Pass. Your comments will now appear immediately and will not be molested.

Bouncer says:

This article in the British Telegraph may be an indicator of a major change in elite opinion:
https://archive.md/uUa4b

UA debacle says:

yes, the us cia did fuck around in ua and the east europe, us is guilty there.
however the us was not really a threat to russia, after all ru has nukes, and at no point not even since the before tsars did anyone seriously express desire to invade conquer and takeover ru. if anything, the euros and west are the same friends with russia (even infact were all white christians until the replacement importation), excepting the SocComMarx era of ru gov.
given lack of any intent by anyone to take ru, ru was just pissed that it lost its former satellites, and lost its proxy buffer zone to the eurowest.
ru is simply feigning nato as excuse to “restore” the soviet empire via a non-voluntary fashion, or to become internally tsarov again.
while that is fine for it to wish, that is no excuse to claim ru invasion of ua is pure and holy when it is not.
ru could very well have simply maintained border defense zone, pending further negotiation and admins, without initiating invasive murderous destruction warring against ua.
uscia sinned on ua, ru sinned on ua thus losing the high ground, 2 dont make right.
and us biden-kamala totally fucked up since day one on everything.

Jim says:

Bullshit bullshit bullshit.

The US did not take Eastern Europe by direct conquest, any more than the Soviet Union did. They, US and the Soviet Union both, took it by color revolution. When country X uses color revolution to conquer country Y, it creates a proxy force in country Y, and if all goes well, the proxy force in country Y takes power because it is able to use violence, being backed by the threat of the external power of country X, and its opponents are reluctant to suppress it with similar force, because of the threat of country X. You will notice that color revolutions are successful in proportion to the proximity of US bases. And if all does not go well, the proxy force in country Y receives ever increasing and ever more direct military support from country X, as for example Syria and Libya. The message was “Go along with your color revolution, or we will flatten you like Libya.” And the cities in the Donbas received endless low level shelling, and would continue to receive endless low level shelling until they staged the gay parade and tore down the statues of their honored dead.

The Yalta deal was that the countries of Eastern Europe would have their own independent governments, and the Soviet Union did not directly and openly break that deal, just as the countries of Eastern Europe now retain nominal independence while holding the gay parade and opening their borders to be infiniggered+++.

The US has been working on color revolution inside Russia, and has been funding and arming terrorist groups inside Russia. The US was shelling Russian cities in the Donbass long before the “special military operation”

Thus Russia has legitimate objection to US bases in the Ukraine. Needs to prevent officially official US bases, and destroy the existing unofficially official US bases, such as the one in Avdeevka. This may well necessitate killing an enormous number of Ukrainians. Russia has no alternative, if it wants to live in peace. The global American Empire has long been working on a creeping conquest of the world, in the same style as the Soviet Union was, small low level wars that would not go nuclear, but kept the pressure up to grant Soviet Proxy governments power. It was, from time to time, necessary to contain the Soviet Empire by military force, and it has become unavoidably necessary to contain the global American Empire by military force.

The US did not like Soviet bases in Latin America for exactly the same reasons as the Russians do not like US bases in Eastern Europe. The US nearly went to war with the Soviets to prevent this, and Russia has gone to war to prevent this.

Russia went to war over Ukraine for exactly the same reasons as the US nearly went to war over Cuba. If the Soviet Union had a base in Cuba, one country after another would have fallen to Soviet proxies all the way to the Mexican border, and then there would be Soviet bases in Mexico. Which is pretty much what happened to Eastern Europe.

What has been happening in the Ukraine is directly analogous to Soviet proxies taking Mexico, and the Soviet bases then being set up in Mexico. Which is probably what would have happened had the US not reacted forcefully in the Cuban crisis.

JustAnotherGuy says:

I heard a better example is if Texas split from the USA, and started to become a china/russia base. Amerikaners don’t think of Mexicans as their brothers, but a texas-us confict would definitely be something people see as a blue on blue.

Mayflower Sperg says:

If the Soviet Union had a base in Cuba, one country after another would have fallen to Soviet proxies all the way to the Mexican border.

Then we wouldn’t need Trump to build a wall because the People’s Republic of Mexico would have built it for us and machine-gunned anyone who tried to flee Communism.

America would still be a 90% white country today if it had allowed the Soviet Union to turn the entire third world into Communist prison-states.

Fidelis says:

What are you talking about? Washington allied with Moscow to “decolonize” the third world and turn every country into a failed race communist hellhole. They succeed in your hypothetical, and in doing so displaced all white “settlers” from lands they had inhabited for centuries and creating enough chaos to facilitate mass migration.

Nikolai says:

“Those Chechens still alive seem to feel that they got a pretty good deal, and are sincere and enthusiastic Russian patriots. This was, however accomplished by an eliminationist policy. Those Chechens that did not buy into the deal, died, and the deal was not settled until Chechnya was levelled to the ground. There was enormous destruction, enormous refugee flight, and enormous civilian casualties.”

Exactly so. But this leaves me wondering: If Russia can win in Chechnya, why can’t Israel win in Gaza?

The two wars are broadly similar: big advanced country vs. smaller backward country, big country is run by Russian Jews in both cases, smaller country is run by Islamic guerrillas in both cases. If anything it seems like modern Israel should have greater capabilities than the Russia of 20 years ago. So why are they losing while Russia won?

I don’t really buy the genocide narrative since Israel killed around 50k Gazans while Russia killed as many as 200k Chechens between the 2 wars.

The only explanations I can think of are Israel doesn’t really want to make a deal with Gaza the way Russia genuinely wanted to make a deal with Chechnya. And the Israeli military has a world class assassination program and airforce but a mediocre ground force, which prevents them from actually beating Hamas.

It’s actually kind of embarrassing how we give them billions of dollars per year and they still have countless outstanding hostages in a rather small area after 13 months of total war.

DH says:

The Israeli branch of the Cathedral, headed by the vicious tyranny of the Supreme Court, is no less Antifa and no less run by Harvard than the rest of GAE; and it has indeed been doing everything possible to prevent Israel from winning.

But 10.7 also elicited an Israeli Thermidor, which is why the war is still ongoing. Bibi, with the sheer force of his personality, is in successful rebellion against Harvard – but to finish the job, he really needs Trump to at least be in charge of foreign policy so he can dick-slap the Empire of the Consulates (i.e. the State Department) and instead empower the Empire of the Bases.

DH says:

“King Bibi” used to be a meme. By the day, looking increasingly less like a meme.

But for the Jews to really have a King, first American white Christians need a King.

K1 says:

> But for the Jews to really have a King,
> first American white Christians need a King.

Jews have been given standing offer of a King, same as the rest, his name is Jesus Christ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JqFXq2L_OU

“Then the Lord God said to the serpent, Because you have done this… — Gen3:14”

“You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. — John8:44”

“Fill up, then, the measure of the guilt of your fathers. You snakes, you offspring of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell? — Matt23:32-33”

DH says:

Oh sure, but “democracy” still needs to go.

Jim says:

So far, no country with a gay parade has won a war. I did not expect Israel to be the first, and said so from the beginning.

DH says:

And they are still plotting to oust Bibi.

An Israeli civil war might be simultaneous to an American one. Indeed, this might rapidly spiral to Global Jihad against the Priesthood of Satan and its faggot footsoldiers. When Harvard falls, it’s literally a New World. Moldbug doesn’t think that Harvard is about to fall. I strongly disagree, but maybe I’m naively optimistic.

Contaminated NEET says:

>Israel doesn’t really want to make a deal with Gaza the way Russia genuinely wanted to make a deal with Chechnya.

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. The Israeli Left think Israel should lose so it can atone for the sin of colonialism and the Israeli Right think God Himself gave them that land and it would be a sin (as well as stupid) to share one square inch of it with the Palis.

DH says:

For Europe not to fall into Bolshevism and/or New Leftism forever, Adolf Hitler offered the Solution.

For Israel not to be conquered by Islam forever, Rabbi Kahane offered the Solution.

Both were right.

DH says:

When the Radical Left screams “Palestinians are the new Jews!” they are correct, but not in the way they think. The Jews summoned Hitler with their ungodly misbehavior. The Palestinians are about to summon something quite similar with theirs.

T says:

The Left sides with Infinigger+++ always and everywhere. That’s the surest way to destroy all civilization. If Israel actually gets away with solving its local Infinigger+++ problem (which it has scarcely began doing, because GAE is in command), You Won’t Believe What Happens Next. And that it’s the so-called Jewish State doing it, of all countries, is really icing on the cake in God’s Comedy. God summoned Yahya Sinwar because He wanted Thermidor to happen (10/7 certainly flipped Jews to Thermidor more than anything else combined – some Jews had to be Ritually Sacrificed so the rest can wake the f**k up. Yet still most Jews in the US didn’t really get the Message, so probably gorillions of them will have to die), and further down the line, He wants Infinigger+++ dealt with.

But let’s see if Israel is actually allowed to solve the local Infinigger++++. Only a full Thermidorean victory can allow it; if Obama remains in power, Infinigger+++ remains too.

Bouncer says:

Israelis (the Jewish ones) _ARE_ Infiniggers. The reason Israel is unable to effectively defeat a bunch of retarded arab mestizos is because jews are effectively also half-arab mestizos, or did you miss all the parts in the Old Testament where God condemns them for taking local wives? I recall seeing a hilarious short video on militaryphotos.net sometime around 2012 of IDF soldiers trying to put a tank onto a transporter and managing to have it roll off sideways. Not so different to what can be seen in these images I found.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/oFlOdC6WjRk/maxresdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEmCIAKENAF8quKqQMa8AEB-AH-CYAC0AWKAgwIABABGGUgWChDMA8=&rs=AOn4CLDaArOekAm80kB7ChdhKzYpXVS1zQ
https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2019-12/1575885937_99.jpg
https://www.stoletie.ru/upload/iblock/990/71rqhge12qel5wsh1kip7stmnsdbq49p/k-mal.merkava.webp

Not to mention that Israel _knew_ about the “awful” October 7 “attack” for a year and still let it happen so Bibi and Co. had an excuse to go ahead with their policy of ethnic cleansing in the region.*

* https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html

UA debacle says:

color revolution in eu-ish is long past done, power gone decades ago.
color revolution in ua does not matter, never had real power.
opening to china was a mistake, same as bombing instead of containing islam, same as not accepting russias friendship, same as letting jews own you.

the color revolution being waged upon, and by the left inside, the us, its political regime, is where color turds sprouted now, and by result its fucking world and itself up.

uve got less than 48 hours to unfuck the us back to where it was around 125 years ago before Leftism got to it, and save the world from that last big color revolution thats going to matter for the next hundred years, because the happenstance odds of that geopolitical instability and turnings going in the wrong direction can be very bad… world war bad.

what r u going to do?

gamble idle and let it burn, or fight.

DH says:

I generally agree with this message, but:

Replacing a wicked elite with a virtuous elite might require a little bit more than just voting.

Jim says:

> color revolution in eu-ish is long past done, power gone decades ago.

Pull the other one. These countries are serving the USA while the USA stomps all over the interests of the local people and local elite, as for example smashing the economies of Germany and England with a cheerful and brutal disregard.

Every day the empire becomes more destructive, tyrannical, arbitrary, and oppressive.

The US is treading the same path as Athens, as the Delian league, an association of equals for mutual self defence similar to early stage Nato, became the shockingly brutal and capricious Athenian Empire. Britain is starting to resemble a province of late stage Soviet empire. Every day the Global American Empire looks more like the Athenian Empire and the late stage Soviet Empire.

And, like the late Soviet Empire, becoming ever poorer and shabbier. Look out the window of your plane when it lands in the US or a province of empire.

DH says:

color revolution in ua does not matter, never had real power.

The Nazification and Satanization of Ukraine does matter – Putin could not afford to coexist with the monster next door. If Putin had done nothing about it, he would have been next in line for Color Revolution. So he did something about it, and rightly so. Harvard funding Nazis, Satanists, and Nazi Satanists worldwide (for demonic reasons – they enjoy watching white Christians suffer and die; and in the long-run they want everyone and everything to suffer and die) can only lead to WWIII, and urgently needs to be stopped.

The State Department must be abolished.

Jim says:

With color revolution in power next door, a whole of Russians figured that was the butter, and they could get some. When color revolution looked likely to be reversed, lost interest. The basic sales pitch of color revolution is “Play ball with the State Department, and Victoria Nuland will give you a fat government job with lots of opportunities to divert American aid into your own pockets.” Today, this deal looks considerably less appealing.

Soviet sales pitch was similar. When pilgrims visited the Soviet Union or Soviet proxies, they got shown how the Vanguard of Proletariat, the Nomenclatura, lived. They had no interest in how the masses lived.

notglowing says:

Whitepill:
White zoomer *teenagers* are leaning *significantly* more republican than democrat (33% rep vs 18% dem, 34% ind.)
Moreover, they’re *more* republican leaning than white adult zoomers.
This is the first time younger generations are more right wing than older generations, and probably the first time they are more right than left leaning, in a long while:
https://files.catbox.moe/o94x77.png

The statistics unfortunately do not split by race and sex at the same time, so we don’t know how republican white *and* male teenagers are, but it’s obviously even more right-skewed than the general “white” and “boys” charts.

This comes with a bit of a caveat though: it’s technically not a right/left split but republican/independent/democrat. That does matter *a lot*, unfortunately, especially right now.
Some of the independents may be particularly based right wingers who do not support the republican party, but I would expect a lot of independents there are radical leftwing teens who care a lot about palestinians and reject the democratic party for that reason.

Israel is not popular among young people *at all* on either side of the spectrum and mostly supported by the more centrist “conservative” republicans who are basically “classical liberals”.
Which is not bad, I don’t care about Israel, but it does skew statistics towards independents.

T says:

A storm is coming.

The Left needs to shift to hot White Genocide as soon as possible, but Thermidor is not particularly keen on that and wants to decelerate or arrest the Left Singularity, and likely head back to 1980 leftism (hopefully will end up going much, much further back). If no White Genocide soon enough, the Left is done. Cat’s out of the bag.

Fidelis says:

I think Jim is correct in pointing out the danger Thermidor represents to us. They don’t want 1980s leftism, they want a warped version of it totally incompatible with reality and the sort of ideal politics elaborated upon here. Once they feel secure from the left, once enough of the fully possessed have been removed from power, I expect all the good weather we’ve been getting to abruptly turn.

Make no mistake, they hate the Amerikaaner just the same, the difference is they seek to enslave and not destroy. What this will look like in practice, hard to discern. Can you really say from your gut the likes of Thiel, Vance, faceless finance magnates, and wannabe Rules Based Order members have your back? It’s a den of snakes all the same, just with less race communism.

Fried says:

I personally think that *ALL*, meaning exactly 100%, of the current Politicians in office around the world need to be assassinated, no exceptions.
Once that’s done you can quibble over minor shit like discovering how truly minarchist, even all the way to zero, you can go with things.

alf says:

If Trump wins in 2024, we get another four years of hope. Jim’s prediction for civil war is likely to be delayed.

But after that four years, who knows what happens. Thermidor is delaying the collapse of GAE, not solving it. We have a theoretical solution, but it necessitates a priesthood and a king with an army. There’s a long a way to go.

alf says:

Oops meant to post that in the below comment thread.

Neurotoxin says:

Once that’s done you can quibble over minor shit like discovering how truly minarchist, even all the way to zero, you can go with things.

“We” are not going to try minarchism. The libertarian idea has been tried, closely enough, in real-world testing and has been revealed to be incapable of defending itself from murderous demons.

Jim says:

If you don’t have a substantial taxpayer funded army with the sovereign holding commander in chief authority over it, external threats. If you don’t have a healthy state religion answerable to the sovereign, internal threats. If no Bishop, then no King.

The problem with minarchism and anarcho capitalism is that there always going to be groups of people, external and internal, who cohere in order to take away that which belongs to someone else.

Jehu says:

4 years is enough for another big fraction of the nukes to become no longer operational.

T says:

The den of snakes needs Christian Nationalism and Neoreaction if it wants to survive, though. If you want to exorcise the elite, best to remember that “power grows out of the barrel of a gun,” and the Tech Bros and their Jewish Best Allies are not exactly born warriors, with all due respect to (probably gay) Nude Bodybuilding memes spread by BAP. Also, Thermidor needs a replacement priesthood, a priesthood that preaches something substantially different from the faith of Harvard; does it have one available?

Fidelis says:

Looks to me like they’re using the weakest possible still effective version of the memes of the right. Jordan B. Peterson “Christian Nationalism” is very effective at rallying normies, effective at rallying just enough energy to oppose a coalition of leftist true believers that also are devouring each other.

We aren’t in all out conflict yet, but individual level power plays, yet by and large looks like the far left has been outmaneuvered already. They may not need to go all the way to their right for help.

I see a possibility of a semi-stable coalition of yesterday’s leftists and today’s techno-managerials using the flag of “America First Christian Nationalism” just long enough to purge the enemy to the left, before turning on the farther right and pushing them firmly away from power. Coaslecing into a managerial state not unlike China today; unstable, unhealthy, but stable enough to hold power and push away infinite leftism in finite time for another generation.

Jim says:

Something like this happens, or at least is attempted, every Thermidor.

> I see a possibility of a semi-stable coalition of yesterday’s leftists and today’s techno-managerials using the flag of “America First Christian Nationalism” just long enough to purge the enemy to the left, before turning on the farther right and pushing them firmly away from power.

The right getting jobs working for Thermidor usually happens, and it is usually good for the right. But it is like allying with Islam. You have to expect the stab in the back.

T says:

Expect the unexpected. If the WP and Infinigger+++ are not solved under gen X, will be solved under gens Y or Z. The mass redpilling has begun though; there is no coming back. So buying some time is good too; depending, of course, on what is done with that time.

And if CASL (“Cthulhu Always Swims Left”) becomes axiomatic in political science, everybody with basic logic will understand that Ecclesiastes 12:13 was right about Divine Law:

Now all has been heard;
here is the conclusion of the matter:
Fear God and keep his commandments,
for this is the duty of all mankind.

T says:

You are always ruled by warriors or priests, never by merchants. For Thermidor to be able to purge anyone at all, need Guns and Faith. They don’t have their own guns or their own faith. For the former, they rely on Christian Nationalists who love the America First flag, so how can they turn on them? (With what army, that is? Thermidor doesn’t have an independent militia – the CNs *are* the militia) For the latter, will probably need the Cult of Gnon. If they try to install the Weak Sauce Right, will discover a bunch of grifters, and if they still go ahead with that, those priestly grifters will need to plagiarize from the Cult of Gnon.

Jim says:

The very definition of Thermidor is that it is leftism, but not the latest and most radical leftism. It is less insane leftists recoiling from the madness.

And is immediately assailed by the leftmost. And find it very difficult to deal with those that they perceive as holier than themselves. And then, they look rightwards, to find personnel who will do what needs to be done, and not be piously guilted out of it.

Thus, the right is apt to get what it wants, but the power remains in the hands of the slightly less evil and slightly less insane left. And at some point, the radicals to its left being quelled, Thermidor starts to get nervous about the power that it has given personnel who do not believe what they believe.

Fidelis says:

We’re not in open war. We’re in intraparty struggle. You don’t need an exceptionally strong faith, just a faith more cohesive than the demon possessed, metaphorical or otherwise, whom are apt to devour each other as they try and attack you.

What faith does China have? Nothing worth mentioning; some strange mix of practicality, stale dead marxism far removed from its source, and blood memory of confucian ethics. Yet they still collect taxes, build power plants, giant piles of steel, and lately even decent semiconductors. In the long run doomed, in the short term very competitive with the GAE.

I see this as a semi-stable equilibrium we can run into ourselves. Remove the Maoists/Extinctionists, reinstate CapitalismTM with Christian Characteristics, that happen to be friendly to modern Churchians and no farther, and enjoy the relative prosperity while burning the accumulated social and biological capital.

The Churchian Nationalists are just right enough to be cohesive against the possessed, and very possibly just naive enough to be pet pitbulls and no more. It’s up to people like Vance, him and his like will be the ones weilding executive power, and can you really say you know where his heart lies?

In the long run, aristocracy united by a shared faith, some form of king, and freeholder capitalism. In our lifetime, who knows.

T says:

>And at some point, the radicals being quelled, Thermidor starts to get nervous about the power that it has given personnel who do not believe what they believe.

Sure, but what are they going to do about it? I just don’t see Musk turning against CNs and NRx, and he is the leader of Thermidor. And he is probably already familiar with Moldbug, and the road from Unqualified Reservations to Jim’s Blog is not particularly long.

Now let’s say Musk decides to turn against the Right – whom does he employ? Who, after the Radical Left is crushed, will sign up to destroy the Right? You’re thinking of a Stalin scenario, where the leftism in power kills everyone to its left and to its right, but if Musk or somebody else in Thermidor attempts to kill the Right, will rapidly discover that he commands no army, that unlike the Stalin faction, which actually believed in Communism and saw the Right as enemies, the vast majority of Trump Loyalists don’t consider the Hard Right to be the enemy.

I suspect Christian Nationalists are considerably less memetically pwned than the Stalinists were. And Musk doesn’t just want to purge Trotskyism (Gay Nigger Communism); he seems to be drifting further and further towards the Cult of Gnon, although he still has a long journey ahead of him.

Celebration is still premature, and rivers of blood will stream, but the youth is rapidly radicalizing (what’s happening is partly fuelled by sexual frustration; not sure this was the case in previous Thermidors), this can only result in holy war, and for holy war, Thermidor needs Reaction.

What starts as Thermidor vs. Cthulhu is likely to become Gnon vs. Cthulhu.

JustAnotherGuy says:

Brainstorming on what a world where the WP solved would look like, what do you guys think will go away?

I’ve been looking at the gacha market which is basically ‘give an incel a virtual girlfriend experience’ simulation, and I don’t think we’d have tons of dudes spending all their cash to level up their moe girl anymore. I’ve been thinking about why videogames in the past were more masculine in a different way. Dawn of war 1’s main campaign had the campaign’s protagonists characters all male, and sold well. The eldar farseer was pretty hot but that wasn’t really the focus of the game and every dude back then I was with was playing space marines, chaos, or orks (even though eldar was stupidly overpowered in the og version). Doom is self-explanatory.

Labor market would be way better and less soul-crushing because HR is definitely going away. Even if the apprenticeship problem isn’t solved, if you remove all the regulation tape on businesses I think all the poverty and destitution from employment would just… go away. I heard similar things about India where kids begging in the street for a penny is coming down to government policy and not a lack of state capacity (think of how Indian elections are handled).

Lot’s more kids would be around as well. Though I would rather not keep the Prussian education system. Something about school just makes me think of a demonic palace filled with all sorts of horrid daemons. There is no ‘fixing’ school to make the proggie in it go away, it was built with the proggie in control at all times.

Do we even need universities when people are connecting remotely these days? I know people network locally still but most unis are a government jobs program, and a government jobs program to *what*? I think Musk understates the issue when he says he can lay off the bureaucrats, elite (or holiness spirallers if you will) over-production is still a thing.

T says:

It’s quite probable that whoever attempts to solve the WP will quickly discover that the Prussian education system needs to be abolished, but it’s also quite probable that the Prussian education system will have already been abolished by the time we get to actually reinstituting coverture and Biblical Marriage. These two problems are concomitant and symbiotic. Much of modern Feminism, and much of the Longhouse Mentality, would be absolutely inconceivable — and had indeed been inconceivable to previous generations — were it not for the dark reign of pedagogues, exemplars of Ahrimanic evil (the type of evil that seeks to control you to your own detriment), roasties and faggots the lot of them, imprisoning the youth and polluting the minds of the innocent.

Matthew 18:6: “But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.”

Fidelis says:

Continuing here:

You’re thinking of a Stalin scenario, where the leftism in power kills everyone to its left and to its right, but if Musk or somebody else in Thermidor attempts to kill the Right

Celebration is still premature, and rivers of blood will stream, but the youth is rapidly radicalizing

I’m thinking of a Pinochet scenario, where some number of radicals are given permanent retirement, and that’s that. You don’t need to kill the Right, or turn on them, they aren’t in power. The gambit is appealing to the last vestiges of upper middle class power as backup, installing people that aren’t fully possessed to remove the fully possessed, and restoring economic prosperity. All of that seems very achievable with Churchian Nationalism. The problem is Churchian Nationalism is a dead end, and ultimately will result in a zombie state and continued fertility collapse, but that is next generation’s problem.

The ‘sexually frustrated youth’, really downplaying the severity with this phrase, are not capable of organizing. Take the boot off the neck of industry, lots will get rich, they’ll get married to some ran through whore, have a kid or two, get divorced soon after, and any potential energy disappates. The problem is you need a severe catastrophe, on the order of a total war, in order to make use of the potential energy. If not, we would have had something happen already. They were ready to round people up into camps and inject you biweekly with God knows what as late as Jan 2022, and nothing happened internally.

Zombie empires seem to be a perennial problem, and usually only resolve after all biological and social capital is spent, such that they collapse like a rotten house when some bandit knocks on the door. Power projection has to cease, the edges of empire have to soften enough for “Mobile Bandit” mercenaries to flourish, and small groups of workable fertile faiths have to multiply and eventually migrate to the lands subdued and managed by the mercenaries. Looks like next generation to me.

ayyylmao says:

Just so.

Australia literally had concentration camps for the undesirables (healthy sane people) and today it’s like it never happened.

The “mobile bandit” category is questionable. Historically there were warlords and pirates. Warlords invaded and occupied, becoming kings; pirates pillaged and plundered, then left. Mercenaries were employed exclusively in faraway lands except in the very direst of circumstances. Kings who employed foreign guards were seen as despicable tyrants.

Empires can zombie shuffle around longer than you can stay alive. Entrepreneurial Venezuelan gangs can occupy apartment complexes but try that as a strapping young white lad with your turbros and watch the pigs show up in military gear and shoot your dog and euthanize your rescue squirrel and pepper spray you and beat you senseless.

Death to America.

DH says:

Take the boot off the neck of industry, lots will get rich, they’ll get married to some ran through whore, have a kid or two, get divorced soon after, and any potential energy disappates.

Nah.

Boomerica is over; it ain’t coming back. In the same way as 1980 America was a brief phase, though the Cathedral mouthpieces have long been ceremoniously declaring the End of History, the current America is also a brief phase, and though Thermidor might ceremoniously declare the End of History, now with a “This far Left, and no further” spin, the wheels of history will keep on turning, Cthulhu will keep on swimming Left, entropy will keep on gnawing at the Sclerotic Regime, and you either do something substantial about it, or something substantial is done to you about it.

Zoomers will not be content with merely staving off the decline by 20 years at best. If Thermidor and the “Churchian Nationalists” fail to deliver Strong Men to fix the Hard Times, the Hard Times will go on getting harder and harder, until either collapse or restoration small-scale or large-scale. Moldbug seems to believe that there’s no political energy for civil war, followed by a Restoration of King and Bishop if the Right wins, and that everyone’s dopamine has been fully hijacked by Ahriman – but Moldbug is a nerd with low energy, low testosterone, and low libido, who’s too deeply embedded in the effete elite. (If he had high libido, he would use his Anglo-Ashkenazi IQ to discuss the WP instead of writing poetry. Reminder: Moldbug also supports Gay Marriage)

If Harvard wins, it’s collapse; if Thermidor wins, it’s either collapse or restoration. You don’t get 50 years of Sclerotic Regime. In the Soviet Union, elite disbelief in the state religion started right after Thermidor, and slowly increased with each passing decade. But in America, already nobody (among the elite or the masses) believes in the state religion — whether or not Thermidor seizes power, the death of Peanut the Squirrel was the death of Progressivism — although many still pretend they do so they won’t be fired and ostracized. Thermidor will not restore faith in the current state religion or any “soft” version thereof – not for 50 years, and not even for 20 years. It’s totally dead and it reeks to high heavens. Need a new state religion, and need a War Leader King to install it in place of the old, dead one.

Don’t count on dopamine depletion to save the regime.

Jim says:

No, Cthulhu will not keep on swimming left. Trees grow till they fall over, but they do not grow to the sky

> Cthulhu will keep on swimming Left, entropy will keep on gnawing at the Sclerotic Regime, and you either do something substantial about it, or something substantial is done to you about it.

Leftism is entering its death throws. It may well do a lot of collateral damage in the course of dying, but die it will. Possibly this day, maybe in a couple of years.

Which does not necessarily automatically result in a reduction of social entropy. Thermidor is largely kleptocrats versus radicals. Kleptocrats on top would probably mean that the schools will lose interest in transexualizing your children and develop an archaic, obsolete, and politically incorrect interest in teaching reading, writing, and arithmetic (which is inherently racist, sexist, and oppressive) but it may well bugger the economy almost as much as radical leftism, and kleptocracy has a much longer lifespan than leftism — we could wind up in a long dark age of finance capitalism and the FIRE economy, till the main part of what little remains of the actual real economy is peasants scratching the ground with stones in order to grow wheat.

DH says:

But you always have a state religion, and if they ditch leftism, they will need to converge on something else. Fidelis suggests that Jordan Peterson style purple-pilled Chrurchian Nationalism is cohesive enough to serve as a substitute to leftism. Is it, though? I think it’s a boomer weltanschauung, a relic from a bygone era. To mollify the younger generations out of insurrection — whether under Trump or under someone with stronger sauce than Trump — will need to do something about WP and Infinigger+++.

The crucial question in all of these recent debates is what Thermidor’s alternative faith is going to be, and how effective it will be in keeping the so-called Republic alive. If they go with Jordan Peterson and Douglas Murray, they will not get very far indeed, unless they start browsing websites one is forbidden from mentioning in polite society.

Fidelis says:

they will need to converge on something else

What did China converge on? What about Russia? There’s a lot of zombie faiths possible. They only become impossible when outside forces can outcompete them in war.

DH says:

Well, it’s possible that USG will follow a Peterson-style purple-pilled worldview rather than the Cult of Gnon. As you wrote:

A real Christian is on a slippery slope to Throne, Altar, and Freehold. A Churchian is on a slippery slope to a man in a dress baptizing your child in the name of Fentanyl Floyd.

But as Pax Imperialis reports, there are lots of genuine and passionate Christian Nationalists out there who would, if allowed entrance into the Priesthood, or if they coincidentally happen to hang out near and around the Priesthood, move the needle in the direction of Throne, Altar, and Freehold, or at least would be amicable towards those who do.

Too early to tell which way the wind will blow — expect the unexpected — but I feel like Churchianity is on the wane, while real Christianity is (gradually) on the rise, particularly among young white men who are fed up with the shape of current society. Which means that, even if it might take a generation or two under the state religion of purple-pilled Churchianity, the Cult of Gnon can make its way into the official state religion. But I don’t know whether or not this will actually happen.

notglowing says:

https://x.com/shaunmmaguire/status/1852716609749516696

Harris is running pro Palestine ads in Michigan
While simultaneously running pro Israel ads in Pennsylvania?
How can we tell what she actually believes?
Kudos to @CNN for the honest reporting

This is quite funny but what’s more significant than the news itself, is that CNN openly reported on it.
They didn’t have to. This could’ve easily just been ignored if they were doing whatever they can to boost Kamala. It’s also fairly damaging to her chances with a small but decent chunk of voters.

They could’ve also argued that the two statements do not directly contradict each other. They usually love to do this absurd lawyering when it comes to fact checking.

It seems they don’t believe Kamala is worth burning credibility over at this point. As soon as she loses, her political career is over. Supporting her right now if you don’t think she’ll be president is of little value.

notglowing says:

https://x.com/Variety/status/1853385482962444341

John Oliver Fights Back Tears Urging Viewers to Vote for Kamala Harris: ‘Wouldn’t It Be Great to Live in a World’ Where Trump Is ‘No Longer an Active Threat?’

I’m laughing my ass off. They’re *already* crying this time, before the election even happens.
I want Trump to win if only because people like this must lose.

notglowing says:

https://x.com/BehizyTweets/status/1853282089434591346

BREAKING: Maricopa County has confirmed that they received up to 90,000 voter registration forms from third-party groups on registration deadline day, and an estimated 30k-40k forms were incomplete or damaged.

I have a strong suspicion that this was fraud stopped in its tracks.

This is what I think their playbook is: Democrat-linked organizations get paid lots of money to collect registrations. Their goal isn’t to get legitimate vote registrants but rather to get as many random people signed up as possible. Then they mail those in on deadline day with the expectation that officials would be too busy to double check, and then when the dubious names appear on the voter’s rolls, they request ballots, and fraud occurs.
[…]
The fact that these things are being caught & announced BEFORE the election is very good news.

notglowing says:

https://x.com/amytheartist/status/1853835480694947943

I’m in a deep red part of swing state Pennsylvania, and all the voting machines are broken across this county and the neighboring ones.

People are stranded in line, and a constable told them they don’t get the machines working by 10PM, they will turn people away.

I’m not sure what to do.

Updated: Cambria County is extending the voting period
IMO it’s not a coincidence that this is a problem in areas critical for Trump’s support.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GbopSjrXoAAcuL_?format=jpg&name=large

PA is critical. I hope these ‘issues’ do not stop it from turning red.

DH says:

Just listen to Tucker here. Just f**king listen.

https://x.com/justinbaragona/status/1853486380770529405

DH says:

I don’t even agree with what he’s saying, but holy s**t our memes are running amok.

Fidelis says:

This is pandering to peasant superstition. It’s not ‘our memes’, it’s actively harmful nonsense. Same level of bullshit as people pushing flat Earth and “nukes don’t exist”, it just confuses people worldview. You have to stick with truth or you end up living in a goatfucking shithole.

T says:

Of course it’s bullshit, and possibly Tucker is going schizo. But going schizo in that specific direction – looks like a Jimian meme to me. Someone introduced him to thinking of the world like that; you never heard such mainstream figures talking like that before. He is talking here of demons both literal and metaphorical.

DROM is going mainstream.

Fidelis says:

This is not new. You had people calling monster energy drinks the work of the devil not too long ago. It’s peasant nonsense, and the more you feed into it the closer you get to literal Africa where the next village over has a goblin infestation but it’s okay because you sacrificed a goat with your local shaman.

Bannon with icons in the back is more telling, but I don’t know it seems too showy for me. Hard to tell where his heart really is, but I’m not familiar enough with Bannon to say much. A real Christian is on a slippery slope to Throne, Altar, and Freehold. A Churchian is on a slippery slope to a man in a dress baptizing your child in the name of Fentanyl Floyd.

That and the discussion “so uhh, why did winning WW2 make everything worse” is nice. After that war they went profoundly mask off, hopefully they can keep moving backwards in time to some deeper roots.

/pol/watcher says:

Eh, it could have been worded better by Tucker but he is a journo and not in the nuclear field. I have no problems believing that demons have given tech to humans, it is a pretty sure way to cause immense harm. Apkallu and the like.

Bix Nudelmann says:

Tucker going schizo? Well heck if I know, but if I project onto him (prone to error, I know), I see a guy noticing some very real and very horrible shit, and trying to talk about it, but without crimetalking, surely very difficult after being on TV forever. The inner confusion and conflict must be intense, so I can imagine having a bitchin’ nightmare and scratching myself if I was going through it myself.

And either some of his staff are on Jim via Tor and 14 VPN’s chained together, or just some NRX-adjacent Twitter channels like CovefeAnon or whoever.

So my man be like, let me get this straight. Some Jewish physicists work out the atom bomb at the “Trinity” test, and then Nagasaki gets bombed, which coincidentally just so happened to be the Christian capitol of Japan. Okay.

And then Christians end up getting killed off at disproportionate rates through every American use of military force since 1945, and surely before also, for anyone who’s heard of the Civil War and WW1.

Well fucking well.

The Cominator says:

Superstition doesn’t kill science as there is always superstition, and of course there is an underlying greater reality to the universe (you could call that a spiritual reality) though one should not overestimate how much they understand it.

Science is killed by bureaucracy and peer review. Newton and Francis Bacon were not only scientists but occultists; Tesla; occultist. Heisenberg; probably an occultist too. Jack Parsons; dark occultist demon worshipper… Belief in spiritual matters becomes harmful when people start believing they can get demonic favors by doing bad things.

T says:

The interesting thing is how the public responds to such claims. Used to be, “Damn, what a nutcase.” But now people are listening.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

I have big problems with associating demons with Our friend, The Atom, where demons most vociferously attempted to keep the civilizational genie in the bottle, and have even more vociferously attempted to stuff it back in, that no human species may ever rise above the dirt of their earthly internment – with marked success, I might add.

The Cominator says:

Sounds like Democrat numbers in PA are bad (for them). My theory is Shapiro and the Philidelphia machine neglected to “fortify” the vote in Phili. Shapiro and his buddies in Phili want to install him as President someday for that to happen they actually need Harris to lose.

It may have turned out to be a miracle she picked Tampon Tim.

DH says:

10.7 won Trump the election.

The Cominator says:

Its not the general view here as it is in some places that Israel is that powerful. But if Israel’s latest punitive expedition caused her to pick Tampon Tim over Shapiro… it may have in a way.

DH says:

A certain faction of Jews got really, and I do mean really, upset with the Left. The Left responded, of course, with doubling down on the very thing Jews are complaining about. They went too far.

DH says:

If Hitler had sincerely believed that Jews rule America, Britain, and Russia, he would not have gone to war simultaneously against America, Britain, and Russia, and if the Soros shills (on the Left and the Right), having spent so much time watching Al-Jazeera, sincerely believed that Jews control America, they would not adopt worship of the Palestinians as their new demon.

You only get a realistic view of Jews on Jim’s blog, because it doesn’t kiss kike ass like the Kosher Right, but also doesn’t pretend that Jews are the Ultimate Boss (while in fact being utterly shocked when Jews actually do demonstrate their power).

The Cominator says:

he thought they controlled FDR and Roosevelt but NOT Stalin he talks about this pretty specifically in the Table Talks.

DH says:

Thanks for the correction.

But he definitely (and correctly) saw Bolshevism as a form of Judaism, so in his vision of the world, he was fighting Jewish forces on all fronts. Now, if Jewish power is so overwhelming, is it really the rational thing to do to declare an all-out war against it? A leftist would say “Sure, we must save humanity from Jewish oppression,” and Hitler was a leftist.

DH says:

Notice I never criticize Hitler about how he handled the JQ internally – Hitler did nothing wrong there, he was absolutely correct to remove Jewish influence from Germany. But declaring war against the whole world to cleanse it of Jewish influence — if you actually do believe that Jews run everything — is insane. And I don’t think Hitler was insane, so he probably didn’t really believe his own propaganda, at least not completely.

DH says:

The rational left goes after applecarts it can conceivably lay its hands on.

The irrational left is demonic, and is going after applecarts regardless of its ability to topple them, often just for the heck of it (it simply likes to watch the world burn; it doesn’t even necessarily seek any apples) – and is apt to get whacked by angry powerful applecart owners.

10/7 sent the Left into full-on demon worship — previously it was a mix of rational evil and irrational evil, then it became absolutely irrational — and Heaven does not approve of such conduct.

Jim says:

I think they will find that with significant proportion of Jews running dead in their ballot fraud operations, what fraud operations run at all, are going to be run by Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion, with the usual results.

The Cominator says:

Hitler was more rational about the Jewish issue before 1937/1938 when he percieved (correctly) the British were 100% going to war with him eventually. He blamed the Jews for this and he saw that behind them was also FDR (also in his opinion controlled by Jews) then he shifted from segregating them out of government jobs and cultural life (while allowing them still to do medicine and department stores etc) to getting more and more radically exterminationist.

But also the extermination was food driven, national socialism was socialism and at its worst in agriculture so it created massive food shortages. Some people couldn’t be fed, decisions had to be made… obviously not feeding the jews was an easy choice for Hitler. But then he believed that Jews being the way they are they would siphon food away via black marketeering needed to put them in camps to make sure they starved and died.

The Cominator says:

I meant FDR and Churchill but not Stalin. As for fraud it looks like it just isn’t coming in in Pennsylvania. Shapiro and the Phili machine wants her to lose.

T says:

He should have focused his war efforts entirely on Britain; the populations of Eastern Europe (Jewish, Slavic, or anything else) could wait for a later time. As Chesterton said, Hitlerists are Hebraists, in that they possess an extremely ethnocentric view of the world and basically consider all of God’s creation to be their enemies, which is a typically Jewish failure mode, losing Jews their Temple and Hitler his Reich.

DH says:

“MAN THE JEWS ARE SO POWERLFUL, THEY LITERALLY CONTROL EVERYTHING, BY THE WAY DID YOU HEAR THAT HAMAS MASSACRED A BUNCH OF KIKES, HEY LET’S START WORSHIPPING THE PALESTINIANS AS OUR BRAND NEW RELIGION TO PISS OFF THE KIKES HAHAHAHA.”

Now they find out.

DH says:

“DID IT HAVE TO BE THE PLESTINIANS, YOU RETARD? COULDN’T WE HAVE PICKED A NICER GROUP OF PEOPLE TO IDOLIZE? DID IT HAVE TO BE THEM?”

“OH, BUT THAT’S THE WHOLE POINT!”

cub says:

who are you quoting

Bouncer says:

“DH says: 2024-11-05 at 02:31
Notice I never criticize Hitler about how he handled the JQ internally – Hitler did nothing wrong there, he was absolutely correct to remove Jewish influence from Germany. But declaring war against the whole world to cleanse it of Jewish influence — if you actually do believe that Jews run everything — is insane. And I don’t think Hitler was insane, so he probably didn’t really believe his own propaganda, at least not completely.”

Hitler never “declared war against the whole world to cleanse it of Jewish influence”.
Hitler never “declared war against the whole world”, period. Whatever his other issues (and there were lots) that was not one of them.

You claiming he did, is …concerning. And good reason to take you less seriously than any other new guy here.

(responding here because the other comment chain can’t be responded to)

T says:

Is there a difference between Nick Fuentes, Richard Spencer, and David Duke, who have all endorsed Kamala because muh kikes muh Palestine, and all the (other) Antifas on Harvard’s payroll? They have always been working for the same team and reading from the same script, and they can easily switch between Antifa mode and Nazi mode, and *do* regularly switch between antifa mode and nazi mode.

Same master, same team – scratch a nazi, find a commie.

Culture of Critique is a good book, highly recommended, but if you base your *entire worldview* on it, it becomes too easy to fall prey to Harvard’s nazi branch, whose script is virtually identical to (and often promulgated by the same people as) Harvard’s antifa branch. It’s the same people pushing the same stuff for the same reasons, employed by the same master.

This is one of the few blogs where one can mention it, since most everyone else either worships Jews or monomaniacally obsesses over them.

T says:

This election has truly proven this blog right about everything, particularly who is actually working for whites, males, heterosexuals, and Christians – and who has been employed by Harvard all along.

Incredible seeing all the shills and plants coming out to support Kamala because muh Palestine.

The list is being checked twice, ahem ahem.

T says:

>Hitler never “declared war against the whole world”, period.

Correct. He obviously didn’t literally plan for Germany to take over the entire world. But simultaneous war with the US colossus, the USSR giant, and plenty of other countries all over the place, resulted in his obliteration, as might be the case of America if the US goes to simultaneous war with Russia and China plus a bunch of others.

Are you actually triggered by being told that Hitler acted contrary to the Will of Heaven in his war efforts, which resulted in his utter destruction, or are you looking to attack commenters who can sniff out Harvard scripts and Harvard shills from miles away?

Rhetorical question, by the way.

T says:

When it comes to the Harvard plants, they always look for ways to sneak in their scripts, so one must be extremely vigilant – they show up as Liberals, Progressives, Fake Christians, National Socialists, International Socialists, Third Worldists, and almost everything you can think of. Always the same script:

“Here are a number of totally totally right-wing reasons to support left-wing ideas, left-wing ideologies, left-wing policies, and left-wing politicians.”

Is any regular reader here surprised by 90% of e-nazis going for Kamala? Regular readers know that these are all plants, all reading from a script, and all employed by Harvard. These people never offer anything constructive or useful when it comes to the illnesses plaguing the nation. They just want PALESTINE PALESTINE PALESTINE KIKES KIKES KIKES all day every day. And if you dare say something to the contrary, they instantly pounce upon you.

But that’s okay. This election has exposed the entire network for what it is, and the plants will *never* have *any* credibility *ever* again.

It’s over, and all you plants and shills out there can tell your boss that you failed in your mission – I suggest blaming your gay dad who raped you and left you so traumatized that you ended up working for Satan.

DH says:

“The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.”

Neurotoxin says:

>Cominator: “As for fraud it looks like it just isn’t coming in in Pennsylvania. Shapiro and the Phili machine wants her to lose.”

God willing. But remember 2020. Sit tight; the dramatic part of the show is just starting.

The Cominator says:

Colbert pulled his election night special, I think the word is out among the grandees of the Democratic party that this is unsalvagable. Shapiro or his friends in Philidelphia made sure the capability to fortify this just wasn’t going to be there.

Neurotoxin says:

From your lips to God’s ears.

JustAnotherGuy says:

I’ve been thinking about something else, I know Jim says there’s guy sitting in their mum’s basement enjoying hentai and video games. But what is the actual number of these people? Seems to me its just a small number of guys and a vast majority of incels are still happy and working some sort of job even with no pussy.

Is it just because they don’t come out we don’t see them? What drives people to keep going despite not having a single hope of having a relationship with a girl?

JustAnotherGuy says:

I remember asking this another time as well and the answers for why a trooper carries on is because he *knows* that his duty will reward him with some pussy service and a better living. But this does not apply to the single office worker, and I’ve seen these single officer workers, some even say they are happy to have no wife and be single for the rest of their life. I don’t get what they think will happen when they get shipped off to the old age home, but they probably don’t have an accurate assessment of it.

T says:

Meanwhile they are all posting on forums one must not mention in polite society.

Nobody is genuinely happy about this situation. One can be content, so to speak, fapping one’s life away, but that’s not true happiness.

This is the last election in which the JQ plays such a crucial role (well, possibly it’s the last election, period). In the future, the WP will increasingly come into focus.

T says:

>What drives people to keep going despite not having a single hope of having a relationship with a girl?

You “self-improve” for many long years, possibly until the day you die, and meanwhile you search for a Cause to believe in and to fight for – which Cause might range from serving God and all the way to serving Satan, and everything in between. At least that’s how it goes if you’re spiritually-inclined and high-IQ. How do normie incels fill the void? Probably mostly drugs.

Neurotoxin says:

Two posts ago, in “Blog (Mostly) Restored,” I wrote,

“Prediction: The bad guys will release an AI deepfake of Trump saying/doing something Normie-enraging a day or two before the election.”

That hasn’t happened, so either they’re going to do it tomorrow morning or they’re not going to do it. Interesting.

T says:

They can post videos of Trump saying “nigger nigger kike kike Heil Hitler” and nothing will happen.

Even if it’s a real video and not deepfake.

Jim says:

With the elite disunited, and suspecting Trump to be red pilled and pissed off by what was done to him, the unusually blatant stuff that happened in 2020 would seem dangerous. If it blew up, one would not necessarily have every institution of state running cover for one. So we are likely only facing Neurotoxin’s distributed fraud. Which I expect to only make a ten or twenty percent difference or so.

Obviously Trump would not win California even if ninety percent of Californians voted for him, but he might well win New York State.

Bouncer says:

“T says: 2024-11-05 at 11:02″
>”(snip)simultaneous war (snip)”
…is always a bad idea if not utterly disastrous. Weird how almost the entire “civilized” world joined forces against the one they saw as an usurper, amiright? Even to thepoint of

>”Are you actually triggered by being told that Hitler acted contrary to the Will of Heaven in his war efforts, which resulted in his utter destruction, or are you looking to attack commenters who can sniff out Harvard scripts and Harvard shills from miles away?”
Weird how you “T” responded to a criticism I made to “DH”. Weirder still is your usage of Jimian phrasing out of context. I’ve been here awhile, as Jim could attest. You seem to have blown in less than a week ago, specifically “2024-10-31 at 19:30”, and began your infiltration by makign the hilarious claim that “Russia is run by antifa” XD … you sound like you just blew in from 4chan or something.

>”Rhetorical question, by the way.”
Suuuuuure it was. Not exactly hard for you to portray yourself as multiple individuals through the use of separate emails, is it? I wonder if Jim can fill us in re. you passing the shill & demon tests?

Odd that the threads come to their end-of-responses so quickly in conversations with all these new people.

Bouncer says:

To steal “T”‘s thunder; “when it comes to the Harvard plants” like “T” and “DH” and so on, “they always look for ways to sneak in their scripts, so one must be extremely vigilant – they show up as Liberals, Progressives, Fake Christians, National Socialists, International Socialists, Third Worldists, and almost everything you can think of.”
They come to places like this solely to destroy, mislead, annoy and create misleading and misdirecting narratives, as laid out for them by their masters in publications such as:
https://innovationhub-act.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Cognitive-Warfare-Symposium-ENSC-March-2022-Publication.pdf

Interesting to see that they sent their best, for a change. They must be getting desperate to control this election mess over at UK-GCHQ/Unit 8200/whoever the CIA has.

T says:

I am DH from another device.

I did not say Russia is run by Antifa; I responded to the poster saying it by arguing that it is rather America run by Antifa. You are lying, like your Father.

I have been posting here since 2014 or 2015. I *invented* the shill tests as a concept. I wrote most of them. Not alone, of course but I contributed significantly.

Take a hike, faggot.

Bouncer says:

>I am DH from another device.
XD again

America is not run by antifa either. Antifa are the foot-soldiers of the political elites who own and run America, and by extension, the world.

> You are lying, like your Father.
Coming from the lying spawn of Satan, that’s a bit rich.

>I have been posting here since 2014 or 2015.
Weird, can’t seem to find any posts from that era under either your “T” moniker or under your “DH” alter ego. Post link.

>I *invented* the shill tests as a concept. I wrote most of them. Not alone, of course but I contributed significantly.
LOL. LMAO even. Again, post link to the comment as proof.

>Take a hike, faggot.
Hiking is good for you – I do it regularly, you syphilitic tranny. Try using less projection when you shill, it’s quite obvious when the first thing you go around doing is accusing everyone /else/ of shilling just as you did in these last few day’s worth of comments.

T says:

>America is not run by antifa either. Antifa are the foot-soldiers of the political elites who own and run America, and by extension, the world.

Right. Since you (Bouncer) are worth less than my cum stains from yesterday, I don’t really bother elucidating everything to you, and prefer to simplify, sometimes oversimplify. The good & smart posters usually get my points even when I wildly oversmplify things, while the shills, who are almost invariably total idiots, nitpick every single sentence I make, often botching the entire thing in the process, trying to play “gotcha” so they can use something, anything, to keep the Harvard shill operation going.

Not today.

Bouncer says:

Hilarious you’re now trying to multi-thread this comment section and make it unreadable by going back and responding to older comments. Unlike the websites you’re likely used to shilling in, it does not work that way here.

Once again: post links to evidence that you were here before a week ago and “*invented* the shill tests as a concept. … wrote most of them.” Go on. Link to the comment where you supposedly did this.

What was that line? “Dude, if you find yourself in a hole – stop digging.”

T says:

Posters like you prove why you simply can’t have Harvard Nazis anywhere near where you intend a fruitful discussion to occur – Q. E. D.

No more responses from me, faggot. I’ll let others bullycide you if they feel like it, or tolerate you if you decide to behave.

T says:

To those wondering “Why is shaman constantly assuming new identities and using different handles?” the answer is that I don’t want a cult of personality around me, and that very often develops when I join online communities. I want people agreeing with me on the merits of my arguments, because they see the sense in what I’m saying – not because there is a particular name associated with a particular post.

I literally just want to contribute and prevent the heat death of the universe. This drives the demoniacs absolutely nuts, so I know I’m doing something right. Just look in this thread.

Bouncer says:

>”I don’t want a cult of personality around me, and that very often develops when I join online communities.”
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f1/a9/25/f1a925026f301bbd9a3db5cb2f0c7fc2.jpg
Ah, that must be due to your impressively massive ego …uhh… intelligence, is that right (LOL).

More likely it is because you really did just rock up a week ago, and are busy making poor arguments you wish had the appearance of intelligence. It probably comes easier for you since Satan is known as the Father of Lies.

Cominator may have a little too much love for silly-moustache-man, but he’s been around that we know who he is and what he stands for. You? You’re no-one to trust.

Weird how this is driving you absolutely nuts, so as someone said: “I know I’m doing something right. Just look in this thread.”

T says:

>Cominator may have a little too much love for silly-moustache-man

What? Cominator is interested in the Nazis the way *all* red-blooded straight men find the Nazis fascinating. He is not a Hitlerist.

Dude, if you find yourself in a hole – stop digging.

T says:

>Weird how almost the entire “civilized” world joined forces against the one they saw as an usurper, amiright?

Poor, poor Hitler. He dindu nuffin’.

Seriously: tell your boss that it’s over.

Bouncer says:

There’s that attempt at turning your narrative around again. Took you awhile – did you have to get your boss’ approval to say this crap?

>Poor, poor Hitler. He dindu nuffin’.
Nothing that we, today, should be whining over the way you are.

>Cominator is interested in the Nazis the way *all* red-blooded straight men find the Nazis fascinating. He is not a Hitlerist.
Weird choice of words, and weird how the thread ended there.

From your obsession with Palestinians, it seems to me you’re some manner of pro-Israel shill. Too sophisticated to be one of the Zionist “Christians” that pollute America, and too indirect to be an observant jew, so I’m going with the theory that you’re an atheist jew who is here because your unit was ordered to drum up support for Israel’s fight with the durkas among the “alt-right”. An interesting development.

Do tell your bosses that it’s not working, and that I (at least) hope you shitbags all destroy each other over there. Hopefully Iran and you will nuke one another and take out the Saudis as a nice bonus.

I* believe it was Mark Twain who said “better to remain silent and look stupid than speak and remove all doubt” – your boss is paying you too much to be here. Shouldn’t you go back to trolling the comments on the NYT or something? Perhaps if you’re able-bodied you could go fire some artillery at some shitskin kids or something, run along now.

Bouncer says:

And again: post the link to evidence of your claim that you “*/invented* … shill tests as a concept. … wrote most of them/” way back in 2013/2014.

I guarantee you’ll just deflect (again).

T says:

I vehemently criticize Jews all day, and can vehemently criticize Israel too, but usually (in 90% of cases) the anti-Israel / pro-Palestine posters work for Harvard, and as Jim says, “We have heard it all before.”

I’m not obsessed with the Palestinians *per se* (Bukele is half-Palestinian, and I praised him); rather it’s their *supporters* whom I despise with a passion, because I see them for what they really are – demon possessed leftists.

I am a Christian.

Jesus Christ is Lord, born in Bethlehem, died in Jerusalem, and is, is from before the beginning of the world. Fully God and fully man. God is three and God is one.

Bouncer says:

Ok, but you literally tried to claim (under your DH handle) that Hitler “declared war against the whole world to cleanse it of Jewish influence”. When I corrected you, you sperged out and defaulted to your standard shill method of trying to claim your opponent is secretly a nazi (we’re supposed to be scared of that or something?) Lower in that comment thread -also under your DH handle- you went on a stupid rant about people supporting Palestinians (I’m supposed to what, take your side on that? Or I’m the bad goy if I don’t?)

The prayer/practice of “Kol nidre” indicates that all vows or promises taken by a jew are breakable. The Israeli treatment of (IMHO misguided) christian IDF soldiers is also cause for significant concern. https://allisrael.com/engraved-cross-on-idf-soldiers-gravestone-causes-controversy-regarding-burial-practices-for-non-jews-in-israel

I sympathize with the __Christian__ Palestinians (~5 to 15% of the population according to the internet), which Israel is right now trying to bomb out of their homes. I don’t give a crap about the muslim ones, other than to wish survival to the innocent bystanders among them (there may be a few).

And just because you passed Jim’s demon-worshipper test does not mean you aren’t still some kind of shill, Mr I-invented-the-shill-test-just-believe-me.

Jim says:

> Ok, but you literally tried to claim (under your DH handle) that Hitler “declared war against the whole world to cleanse it of Jewish influence”.

Hitler treacherously invading Russia while still at war with the British empire was not done to purge the world of Jewish influence, but rather was an act of madness. Germans, he figured, needed more land. Similarly declaring war on America. A glance at the map shows both of these to be really bad ideas.

When he invaded Russia, it immediately became apparent that Germany had entered the crisis of socialism, when you run out of other people’s stuff. It was the worst time to launch a new war.

It was plausible that Russia intended to seize some oilfields on which Germany depended, but we now know that this was not so.

The rational course of action for America, already at war with Japan, was to let Russia and Germany slug it out, and America probably would have done so had Hitler not declared war on America.

The Japanese attack on Pear Harbour was equally stupid. They needed to sit tight and develop their empire. The proximate cause for war was sanctions on oil and iron. There is plenty of iron in the ground all over the place. Japan needed to resource its own iron. Oil is a harder problem, but the coal to oil process was already known, and considerably cheaper than war. Everything is cheaper than war. Japan’s recently acquired empire in Indochina was undeveloped. Japan should have developed it, as they developed Korea. Conquering does not do you any good unless you can utilise your acquisitions better than the previous possessor.

Cataclysm Reawake says:

“Is there a difference between Nick Fuentes, Richard Spencer, and David Duke, who have all endorsed Kamala”

Fuentes has not endorsed Kamala. He merely abstained from endorsing Trump.
But, you already knew that.
Lie more.

DH says:

Is there a difference between Nick Fuentes, Richard Spencer, and David Duke, who have all endorsed Kamala

Fuentes has not endorsed Kamala. He merely abstained from endorsing Trump.

Wow, absolutely major difference. You totally proved me wrong on the general point I was making.

Scratch a Harvard Nazi, find a Harvard Commie, always and everywhere. Controlled Opposition.

Jim says:

Yes, some commentators have claimed see nazis that are not obvious commies, but they are exceedingly rare.

They love Hitler’s socialism, and like Zelensky’s Ukraine.

The Cominator says:

Who the fuck actually ever watched that little faggot?

DH says:

The thing is, one should always be willing to admit that one is mistaken, and I surely have been wrong on some issues. But when I point out 3 central figures of the Controlled Opposition as coming out in favor of Kamala and against Trump, and you go the “ACKTUALLY, only two of these people explicitly endorsed Kamala, while the third one did not explicitly endorse her, he merely attacked Trump and his supporters and abstained from endorsing Trump in the Ultimate Election, but he totally totally did not endorse Kamala” that is typical nitpicky-gotcha style argument that one can expect from the usual suspects.

High-IQ people like Donald Trump, whom I see as inspiration, tend to simplify things, often oversimplify things. The good & smart commenters, who are the vast majority here, can tell what the speaker is trying to say, while the shills, who are midwits at best, and often far below midwits, scrutinize and nitpick every sentence, latch on to a partially inaccurate (but, in substance and spirit, perfectly accurate) statement, and yell “FAKE NEWS, FAKE NEWS.”

It’s all so tiresome.

notglowing says:

I haven’t watched Nick Fuentes in three years, since the Biden inauguration, so I don’t know his current positions, but I quite liked him in the 2018-2020 period and often listened to his show.
In 2019 he heavily criticized Trump for very valid reasons, and provided insightful commentary. After the democratic primary campaign started in 2019, he called it a freakshow and unambiguously sided with Trump until Biden’s inauguration. He even ended up at the January 6th protest, but refused to enter the capitol, saying that it seemed unwise to do so.
He very explicitly and very strongly defended Trump during that period, even when he disagreed with Trump’s covid policy and ranted against mask mandates, etc. He was on point when it came to covid, being alarmed by it at first, but then by easter 2020 he went over the numbers, pointing out how the doomer predictions had not panned out, and how it wasn’t actually going to be the problem people pretended it was.

I know most people here always disliked him, and although I have limited knowledge of what he did from 2020 onwards, it seems like he went mostly off course, particularly if he’s no longer endorsing Trump. At the same time, after 8 years of disappointment, I can’t *fully* blame him.

I’m not sure if him endorsing Kamala explicitly or not is a nitpick. One can be disillusioned in the republican party, but batting for democrats is a completely different level of betrayal.
However, it does seem he is too Israel brained at this point, and cares too much about that aspect to consider everything else. For that reason alone, I don’t think I’d be interested in what he has to say now.

https://x.com/FuentesUpdates/status/1853954817070399681

“We’re gonna give ourselves permission to celebrate a Trump victory”
“He’s probably gonna win”
“We can deal with the fallout tomorrow, if he wins we’re gonna rage”

This is not something a Kamala supporter would say. He does not seem hopeful of a Trump loss whatsoever. It seems more that he’s blackpilled on the presidency rather than hating Trump. Plenty of people hate Trump and have no problem saying so.

notglowing says:

To be clear, I think not supporting Trump explicitly in this pivotal election *is* a personal failing of Nick’s no matter what. But it doesn’t quite make him a *Democrat*.
That said, many of his followers now *are* like that. Saying certain things attracts certain types of people. People like me stopped watching him three years ago, and people like that are part of his audience now.

DH says:

Something is very off about him. Anglin also (obviously) has Jews on his brain, but he is not a Harvard plant – no Harvard plant would speak the way he does about women. Both the policeman outside at the HR department and the policeman inside the brain do not allow them to notice some of the things Anglin is noticing, or even to notice that someone else is noticing those things.

Fuentes, though, strikes me as odd. Usually being Israel-brained is the most telling and obvious sign (if one actually hates the Jews for the bad things Jews are doing, and Jews are indeed doing endless of bad things, one should focus on Jews in the American Government, Media, and Academia), but there’s something else very off about him. I say he is either gay, or a plant, or both. But I could be wrong.

Jim says:

Fuentes is a gay plant. Most Nazis are something like that. If someone has Jews on the brain, and yet is not talking a lot about Soros, Blinken, Zelensky, and the Jews taking the Easter out of Easter, after having taken the Christmas out Christmas, he is a plant.

DH says:

I’ll admit, though, that I never watched him for longer than a few short seconds – usually that suffices.

What are his religious beliefs? Is he a Christian or at least not obviously anti-Christian?

notglowing says:

He has always been declared himself a strong Catholic, although obviously very much in opposition to the current Pope and in favour of the Latin mass, but never called himself a sedevacantist, he was sympathetic to them.

notglowing says:

It’s possible he is a closet homo. When I was a fan of his, I didn’t believe this at all, but in hindsight there are specific things he said that I found pretty odd and couldn’t quite understand.

In the time I followed him, there were accusations of him being with some guy, but at the time, examining the evidence and the points being made, it just didn’t seem very credible. He had a friend who he met once in real life, who kinda acts like a faggot, but was known to be dating a woman, and I don’t remember if this is true, but he also married one? Either way it’s more than what could be said about Fuentes himself. Fuentes more or less flirted with various women in the sphere during that time, but never dated one, believing in no sex before marriage, at least that’s what he said.

The accusations were coming from the national-socialist/white nationalist side of the right, who have generally been hostile to him for various reasons. One of them ironically was Nick not accepting jews as a “monocausal explanation” (his words) to the problems of the west.

notglowing says:

As I said, I don’t follow him anymore. But if he is a paid shill now, I can say with high confidence he wasn’t when I first started watching him. He wasn’t big at the time either.

I think people on this blog are too eager to call someone on the right a shill when he does or says things that damage our cause. I think in many cases it’s just character flaws and/or personal incompetence. It can be difficult to tell the two apart.

When I watched him, my opinion was that he was the popular right winger closest to ideas expressed in this blog, although by no means the same. Jim disagreed with me years ago, arguing that Nick seems blackpilled on women rather than redpilled, and that this is a subtle but important distinction. He may be right on this.

Here’s the thing – it’s natural to project yourself on other people, and fill in the gaps, read between the lines of what they say, imagining that they must think the same way you do, especially if you have other things in common. At the time I was already browsing this blog, and I felt that Nick’s politics were very close to mine. It’s possible I conveniently ignored some things in favour of others, and interpreted him too charitably. As I said, there were some things he said that bothered me, which I mostly just dismissed.

DH says:

One of the issues is that, the astroturf operation being so ubiquitous and so shrill, even when you aren’t directly on Harvard’s payroll, you are surrounded by those who most definitely are, and by osmosis you incorporate shill memes into your own worldview, to the point where those who are plants and those who are merely memetically PWNED by plants become practically indistinguishable.

It’s far from evident that the average 2016 Alt-Righter (emphasis: *average*) was sharp enough to accurately distinguish between shill memes and non-shill memes, which could be the reason why the Alt-Right was eventually, or rather fairly quickly, co-opted by Bad Actors. Today in 2024, probably many of those Frog-Posters of yore have already wised up to Harvard’s schemes, although the astroturf campaign is still running as usual.

yewotm8 says:

Fuentes became a fed after a visit from some feds after the thing that happened in DC 46 months ago. Many such cases!

notglowing says:

The best thing that’s happened in the past 10 years with the right is that the discourse has matured considerably. As you say, they are not as easily fooled by dead-end memes anymore.
We have become more resilient against shilling, even as we lost more institutional power and got kicked out of social media.

10 years ago right wingers could more or less freely talk on social media compared to where we are now. But even after being banned everywhere, things haven’t gotten *worse* in terms of online political discourse for us. You’re not even allowed to support our opinions openly on any platform, and yet they are very popular.

Cataclysm Reawake says:

@ DH: Incorrect, I refuted your general point: a point which I assert was an impugning of Fuentes’ credibility *in particular*. Reasoning: Spencer is irrelevant in the modern Dissident Right. Duke is even more irrelevant than Spencer. Fuentes is relevant. If I see x and y irrelevant figures tarnished with the same brush as relevant figure z, a brush which upon investigation does not apply to figure z, I smell a shill payload akin to credible conspiracy theories tarnished by deliberately-designed-to-be-uncredible theories.

Think I’m a shill? I welcome yours or anyone’s efforts to prove it. I am comfortable discussing 100% of the topics mentioned on this blog, and affirming 90% of them. (Only thing I can think off the top of my head I refuse to do is blaspheme Jesus Christ.) Or if you think I am merely sincerely mistaken, by all means explain how Vance and Thiel (and therefore Trump by proxy) are not plants that have made credible noises about selling out America in favor of Israel and war with Iran.

I’ve lived in a more-or-less-Groyper exoskeleton for years now, but that’s a small emotional investment given that I’ve lived in boomercon and libertarian and basic-bitch redpiller exoskeletons before. I am mostly unbothered by the hypothetical notion of molting and shedding my ideological skin one more time. If you are persuasive, your prize for your efforts will be an additional fairly intelligent, willing mouthpiece to the uninitiated for any true ideas you have.

AFK too busy slurping shitlib tears as nectar.

T says:

You seem like a good poster and I’m in no mood for pointless fights.

>Or if you think I am merely sincerely mistaken, by all means explain how Vance and Thiel (and therefore Trump by proxy) are not plants that have made credible noises about selling out America in favor of Israel and war with Iran.

Trump promises to avoid WWIII, and he will indeed deliver on that promise.

Israel changing Iran’s state religion from demonic Shia Islam to non-demonic Shia Islam (with or without some help from Uncle Sam) will not result in WWIII, since neither Putin nor Xi will lift a finger for the Iranians; indeed Putin has been allowing Bibi to bomb Iran and its proxies all day every day and yet Israel-Russia relations are just fine.

I don’t see any problem at all.

T says:

Obama gives you Iranian Middle-East and WWIII.

Trump gives you Israeli-Saudi Middle-East and no WWIII.

Anyone who is *not* a plant (or pwned by plant memes) can tell which of these alternatives is better, and if you aren’t a plant, and you seem not to be a plant, you too should recognize which of these alternatives is better.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Everyone who showed up at j6 in person got fingered. Remember our poor boy pooch? Fuentes was always a semen-slurper employee of the federal government from the beginning, but they yanked his chain a lot harder after 2020, and went all in on ‘the alt-right case far gayniggercommunism now’.

Cataclysm Reawake says:

@ T
“Trump promises to avoid WW3”
The threat of WW3 is unquestionably higher if the West pursues the Dems’ favored target of Ukraine rather than the GOP’s Iran. However, I judged that the threat of WW3 from war with Iran is by itself high enough to cause me to withhold my support from Trump until he becomes more radical.

“Iran has a demonic faith and Israel seeks to make it better”
Elaborate here. I do not see why Iran’s Islam is more satanic than contemporary alternatives, and especially why Israel isn’t satanic. I remember when Israeli radicals tried to ban Christian evangelization. They failed, but the fact they even tried, (and supported the antisemitism bill in states across America), means that they’re gonna have to go through me. (For the record, contra Jim’s assertion, Fuentes was at least as bothered by the latter as Jim was. If anyone challenges me on this point I do not mind going back and finding his relevant streams and timestamps.)

“Neither Xi nor Putin are triggered by Israeli attacks on Iran”
That reality doesn’t contradict my present worldview, because those attacks thus far are not existential threats to Iran as an important BRICS vassal, therefore it’s not worth it to the East to risk open warfare against Western aircraft carriers and nukes. I would be astonished to watch BRICS do nothing if that threat did became existential, so if it did I’d be required to Bayesian-update in favor of your views. But I don’t see no reason to do that yet.

“Obama vs Trump”
I see where you’re coming from, especially with a prospect of WW3 making it a non-infinite prisoner’s dilemma, but I think this dichotomy as presented only makes sense on the margins, like if one believes that one’s own support might realistically flip the balance of power from side to the other – analogous to voting in a swing-state. Otherwise game theory, the art of the deal, suggests that one should withhold their support if fundamental, non-trivial, pillars of one’s political program aren’t upheld. The end result of the strategy “Vote Red No Matter Who” results in team Red having absolutely zero incentive to give me what I want – justice.

@ Pseudo-Chrysostom
“Everyone at J6 was pinched”
Depends on the definition of J6. Entered the Capitol? Yeah probably. Certainly the crowd at Trump’s speech wasn’t pinched, the official story is there were only 1k arrests, and if the unofficial story was significantly lying on the numbers I’d expect the truth to reverberate around the right-wing ecosphere – a regime can only secretly disappear so many people, even just temporarily for arrests. The crowd around the Capitol? Possibly, but I still doubt it. RICO is a broad statute, but wouldn’t they have to prove intentionality? Literally anybody could’ve wandered into that crowd.
It definitely bothered me that Fuentes shouted “break down the barricades and disregard the police”. But his placement on the no-fly list, and his alt-media streaming channel getting nuked to the point he had to build his own platform, and being banned from every payment process except crypto, mostly assuaged my concerns about his credibility.

PS How do I quote-reply more elegantly like I see other users doing? Is it simple HTML

Jim says:

Simple html.

To do block quotes

> This is a block quote

<blockquote>&gt; This is a block quote</blockquote>

DH says:

However, I judged that the threat of WW3 from war with Iran is by itself high enough to cause me to withhold my support from Trump until he becomes more radical.

There won’t be a war between America and Iran. There is (already) a war between Israel and Iran, and a non-interventionist foreign policy would just let them go at it, and whoever wins wins. Now, Trump is obviously much more supportive of Israel, but his foreign policy will generally be non-interventionist, and he made it clear that he doesn’t seek Regime Change in Iran, although Israel might attempt it.

I do not see why Iran’s Islam is more satanic than contemporary alternatives, and especially why Israel isn’t satanic.

Both countries may be more-or-less equally demonic, each in its own way, but one supposedly has nukes (whether or not they actually work is up for debate, and whether or not it actually has them is also up for debate), and the other does not. Also, Peace of Westphalia means that America lets Israel be as Jewish as it wants and Iran be as Shia Muslim as it wants. But there is no Peace of Westphalia between Israel and Iran, and both countries would rather change the other’s state religion. And I do think that Saudi Arabia’s Islam is less demonic than Iran’s – Iran’s military adventurism via its funding of Jihadi proxies is not exactly a source of stability in the Middle-East, and that would be true even if Israel didn’t exist at all. So if Israel ends up curbing Iran, that won’t be such a bad thing (again, I expect general non-intervention from the Trump Administration, although the more neocon-ish factions might try to push for intervention. But Trump is smarter than the neocons), even if both countries are about equally demonic in their own unique ways. Also, I don’t subscribe to the Third Worldist “brown people can do no wrong” view. Iran should get a grip, quit massively funding Jihadists, and preferably not have nukes. For that matter, neither should Pakistan have acquired nukes – the idea of any Muslim country, whether “based” or demonic, having nukes is highly unpleasant.

If Israel prevents Iran from going nuclear, and Trump shuts the neocons up and doesn’t get America (directly) involved – not a bad outcome.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Whigs hated nuclear proliferation because it stopped Moscow from conquering Europe in the name of communism – and later stopped Washington from conquering Russia in the name of communism.

Their favorite thing in the world is getting people they hate killed in wars they start with other people they hate. An easy thing to do since the start of the industrial revolution. Nukes changed this calculus, by putting string-pullers back on ‘the front lines’ as it were, as it once was in the days of yore – and nothing bothers them more.

Bad people who want to do bad things hate nuclear proliferation because they want to make the world safe for them to do bad things again. The occidental world might well have toppled far beyond point of no return in late empire degeneracy heretofore – were it not for Our Friend, The Atom.

Bouncer says:

“T says:2024-11-05 at 13:11 Posters like you prove why you simply can’t have Harvard Nazis anywhere near where you intend a fruitful discussion to occur – Q. E. D. No more responses from me, faggot. I’ll let others bullycide you if they feel like it, or tolerate you if you decide to behave.”

Again with the projection…. you can’t help yourself, can you?

Are the Harvard Nazis under your bed right now, T? Whispering in your ears maybe? Amusing that whoever is holding your leash told you to disengage when I didn’t back down. Sit. Stay. Roll over.

You claim to be Christian and recited Jim’s much abbreviated version of the Creed, yet somehow, I rather doubt that – you certainly didn’t mention which kind, as most Christians would have.

And as I predicted, no link to any evidence that you ever “invented or wrote” any shill tests at all, or that you were _ever_ here in 2013 as you claimed.

Jim says:

Empirical observation. The affirmation, like the shill test, appears to be highly reliable.

And adherents of the Dark Enlightenment seldom mention their particular brand of Christianity, because the important divide is not the particular Church organisations, which are dead except for Russian Orthodoxy and a few protestant churches hanging out in the swamps, but between converged Christianity and unconverged Christianity. Institutional religion has burned its pinch of incense to Caesar.

Bouncer says:

It’s your blog, Jim, and I’ll defer to your judgment, as unlike you I cannot see the email addresses that go with users’ handles, nor can I check what (or even if) they say they posted nearly a decade ago under any number of username handles and alter egos. But I don’t like how the guy acts one bit – supposedly I’m a “Harvard Nazi” who is “worth less than [his] cum stains from yesterday” just on his say-so because he cannot accept the slightest disagreement on any point at all without hallucinating his preferred foes under his bed. My original comment was regarding that one claim only – a claim used by our overlords to justify the constant global military meddling “to prevent the next Hitler” by everyone from outright Marxists to American-pie cuckservatives. It’s a justification used to prevent the return of interwar isolationism and the fixing of our many problems via distraction and foreign entaglement – “if we don’t rule the world [current enemy du jour] will!” The same comparison was made about Saddam, claiming that he would invade all his neighbors after Kuwait and ignoring Kuwait’s slant-drilling across the border to steal from Iraq’s oil fields in the 1980’s, and every other third-world leader we need to bomb for dumb-ocracy.

Re. the historical points – I broadly agree, but suspect the German invasion of Russia happened when it did due to slipping schedules and failure to eliminate the BEF at Dunkirk, while Japan was outfoxed by FDR and penned into a corner it could not escape from easily, as it didn’t have a Fischer-Tropsch industrial plant at the time. The fact they were allied caused the rest of their problems. Easy to look back and critique, but the available choices were less obviously bad at the time. I’m not certain you’re completely correct re: German economics – they had little spare capacity in 1939/40 because of the socialization of their economy, but had yet to run out of their own stuff, let alone run out of what they gained (Sudetenland, etc). The economic pinch hit around 41/42 from what I’ve read, despite all their bungling mismanagement.

DH says:

For the record, I’ll briefly spell out some of my ideas.

The best religion is the one that most closely adheres to Divine Law. To test that, “Ye shall know them by their fruits.” The most delicious and nutritious fruits are obviously those of Christendom. No one else even comes close. Muslims can do okay, but they can’t achieve true civilizational greatness – Allah is a demon with a very bad temper. Jews also cannot, as a collective, reach true greatness (albeit there have been plenty of great Jewish individuals) – a religion focusing on the letter of the law, rather on the spirit of the law, and at that on layers upon layers of increasingly bizarre and demonic interpretation, results in Jews contaminating themselves in Roman blood to avoid contaminating themselves in chicken blood, with very predictable results. As for Pagans, Chesterton was right – they were awesome, and the most awesome thing they ever did, and also the last thing they ever did, was convert to Christianity.

The problem with Protestantism is that, in attempting to rid itself of “Pagan additions,” it ended up becoming Judeo-Christianity, ditching the Logos as manifest in the real world, and from there the road is very short to absolute demonic inversion and becoming Gnosticism and Satanism. The problem with Roman Catholicism is that it has been taken over by gay demoniacs, whose hostile entryism goes very far back in time – e.g., it was present when Saint Jerome superseded Saint Paul. Feminism has long been the Achilles’ Heel of the Church, and we’re now dealing with the consequences.

Since I want a Type 7 Civilization on the Kardashev Scale, I advocate the Cult of Gnon, which is Jim’s Game Theoretical interpretation of Christianity. The ideal state religion for America (or what is left of America) is Jimian Christianity; the Peace of Westphalia being in accordance with Divine Law, should let other countries pick their own faiths rather than imposing on them whatever the American faith ends up being (like Harvard has been imposing itself on the entire world for well over a century); and all non-demonic forms of Christianity, or of any other religion which at least strives towards Divine Law, are potential allies.

That’s the gist of it.

Bouncer says:

Had you led with that instead, we wouldn’t have quarreled to this degree. I suspect you’re a touch too optimistic about the future, and a bit too negative about the past, but that is just a personal opinion, and I otherwise broadly agree with most of your position. If Corvinus still commented here it would be fun to see you two arguing – I found his shitty takes amusing to read.

It would be a good idea for you to stick to one name instead of two or more, considering there is no sign of a “cult of personality” developing around you or anyone else.
Anyway, so far it looks like we may actually avoid nuclear war for a few more years which is a relief.

Neurotoxin says:

I hesitate to white-pill because I’m afraid of getting out over my skis, but here’s another factor that may be relevant:

Harris is, by all accounts, a horrible person, even for a leftist. In September or October it was revealed that her staff as Vice-President has had a 93% turnover rate. To know her is to loathe her, apparently. This may mean that no one at the top level of the federal government is supporting the fraud operation. This could be important if – rather, when – electoral fraud cases come before the Supreme Court.

Your Uncle Bob says:

Boomers I work with have ranged from optimistic to prematurely triumphant today and yesterday.

And boomer or no, a few guys richer and more successful than I am have been confident it’s Trump since the weekend. Richer doesn’t automatically make them right, but may well mean they’re better at sensing which way the wind blows than me.

I still think decentralized steal makes it closer than it should be, so I’m not letting myself get too excited when we should know in a few hours. Getting this down as a point of interest – and, because if Trump were to lose I see it redpilling rather than blackpilling the normiecons of my acquaintance. Dems/Team A have painted themselves into a corner where heads they lose, tails we win.

Hesiod says:

Big Mike’s wife Barry is on social media this evening telling folks it will take days, just like in ’20, to finish counting votes, so that play is in effect, though the results remain to be seen.

DH says:

I see ‘Bongo is exuding optimism this evening; for Shaniqua and Lateishia and co., with the Jewish supervisors mysteriously absent, it might take considerably longer than “days” to produce all the fakes votes.

notglowing says:

https://x.com/OpenSourceZone/status/1853952100432052592

NBC Exit polls Georgia independent voters:

🔴 Trump 54%
🔵 Harris 43%

Currently 74% reporting, It’s 52.6%T/46.8%K.
https://files.catbox.moe/563wbf.png
It looks like he has GA, but it seems like he’s losing PA. Thoughts?

DH says:

Jews have a decent work ethic, but today, some Jews, quite a lot of Jews, did not show up at the office.

And it turned out that Diversity was not, after all, the Greatest Strength.

It’s over, ‘Bongo.

T says:

Where is L? We were confidently promised that the Dem Machine is working absolutely fine, and that everyone’s children and grandchildren will be trannies rapping in ebonics.

L, are you here?

Pilgrim says:

(Thought crimes: God is Three and God is One. Women are, by nature, inclined to fuck the most ostentatiously dangerous man they can find, and their misbehavior is not the fault of individual men but biologically programmed and must be restrained by a network of legally empowered patriarchs for society to function. Homo sapiens of African descent, referred to by our host as plains apes, are biologically predisposed towards short time preferences and often commit violent crimes, driving productive citizens out of cities such as Detroit. George Soros, with allies Blinken and Nuland, are financing NATO’s against Russians and Ukrainians. Jesus Christ is Lord.)

Fair warning: This is going to be a long one, but possibly quite interesting. This blog will be quite active due to election news, so I understand if this post will slip by, but I offer it here for your perusal whenever the time comes.

Hello, Jim Blog. I am a commenter who once visited this blog under another name, and for your responses to my comments under that name I sincerely thank you all. Owing to recent issues and security concerns with WordPress, however, I have opted to change my name and email on this blog in order to give our host and his salon here maximum peace of mind. I only return now in order to share some intriguing details I have found concerning the Christian Scriptures, which might be of interest to a community as concerned with the application of Christian ideas to our current problems as this one is. Unlike those other discussions, though, this one is not primarily concerned with the “this-worldly” sociopolitical aspect of the Scriptures but with the “other-worldly” Divine claims contained therein (although some implications regarding the former might be found). Although I have believed in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior for years (I am not typing those thought crimes hypothetically), I do not post this to proselytize or out of some desire to ‘snag converts’ from those who do not subscribe to the aforementioned “other-worldly” claims. This is simply intended as an object of consideration for those here who may be interested in a different way of seeing the Bible we have spent so much bandwidth discussing.

Recently I have stumbled upon a Christian Youtuber and author named Brandon Peterson
(https://www.youtube.com/@TruthisChrist) who claims to have found nothing less than a sign from Heaven lying in wait for the modern world. Specifically, he has noticed certain mathematical patterns in the King James Version of the Bible bearing unmistakable significance, only some of which are:

– That the number of words spoken directly by God in Genesis 1:1 total to 343 (7x7x7)
while the number spoken by the “angel of the Lord” in Matthew 1:1 total to 49 (7×7),
– That Jesus’ phrase “Verily I say unto you” (including slight variations) is said a total of 77 times,
– That the first mention of Jesus’ name occurs exactly 77% of the way into the Bible’s word count (if counting every word including colophons and titles such as ‘HOLY BIBLE KING JAMES VERSION’ on the cover, 77.1611%),
– That all appearances of the names Father and Son throughout the Bible (referring specifically to God and none other) add to 490 (70×7), which is how many times Christ told Peter about forgiving a brother,
– That Jesus (referring specifically to Christ and none other, such as Justus) is mentioned by Name a total of 980 [(70×7) +(70×7)] times,
– That the 980 occurrences of Jesus, combined with all appearances the uppercase Divine titles LORD, GOD, JEHOVAH, I AM, JAH, BRANCH and KING, total to 7777,
– And that the 980 occurrences of Jesus plus all mentions of Christ and Christians (excluding ‘false Christs’) total to 1554, or 777×2.

All these patterns were verified through a resource called King James Pure Bible Search (https://webchannel.purebiblesearch.com), which anyone can use to verify these claims even right now. If these examples intrigue you, Peterson’s channel has yet more videos detailing the unfolding matrices of words he has observed in this familiar text, alongside a website and a book, both titled ‘Sealed By the King’. In his videos and writing he strikes me as sincere and of good will, if perhaps a little Churchian in disposition. I will go ahead and warn you that his personal positions may seem tinged with ‘bluepills’ and ‘Jewpills’ for some (referring to his wife as his ‘best friend’ and seeing modern Israel as a fulfillment of Jeremiah 31:10, for instance), but I think his discoveries can speak for themselves regardless of one’s thoughts on the discoverer. (To all fed agents here: Peterson is in no way affiliated with neoreaction or this blog, and very likely does not even fathom that we exist. To persecute a man with such a concrete faith in God would be unwise, for a man with nothing to lose and everything to give to his Lord is a dangerous man indeed. You have been warned.)

Some anticipated objections out of the way:
– I am aware of similar Koranic claims to mathematical encryption, but it’s defenders have never to my knowledge shown any patterns as sophisticated and theologically meaningful as the ones here.
– Perhaps a human conspiracy could have arranged all this, but such a conspiracy would have to harmonize thousands of years of Scriptural tradition and translations while still maintaining a coherent narrative across the texts, at which point one might as well go full BAP and suggest that the whole history of Israel and of Western Civilization was faked – which, even in this out-of-joint time, is still a rather hard sell for me.

The most striking aspect of this for me personally is Peterson’s claim that only the King James Version instantiates these patterns to their full perfection. According to his book, many of the subtler patterns are just barely missed by other English Bible translations, even if by a few numbers off (he does not appear to have commented on the Douai-Rheims or other Catholic/Orthodox translations as of now). As he himself appears to be a rather low-church Protestant, he has often alluded to the idea that these patterns are God’s endorsement of the Reformation for all mankind to see. Obviously, it is hard to deny that the KJV is by far one of the most widely spread and frequently read translations in history, printed right around the rise of England as a world power and accompanying it’s Empire around the world. However, what conclusions that Bible points to is still not ultimately a matter of gematria contests but of matters which one can only decide in the depths of one’s soul.

In the end, what one ultimately does with this information is up to oneself. Nothing here can substitute for a personal conviction concerning matters of God and Faith, but I hope at least this can give you all some food for thought and meditation in these times, whatever may come of this election. God Bless and Amen.

notglowing says:

It looks like Trump gets PA, MI?
If so, he’s won this election, 3 AM ballot drops notwithstanding.
The Senate and the House are red.

He might even win the popular vote this time.

Hilarious if the latter happens. Leftists will seethe and cope and dilate. They might actually flee to canada this time.
They always kvetch about the popular vote. Imagine if he took it from them.
The orange man.

T says:

>They might actually flee to canada this time.

They always promise that, and sadly never deliver on that promise – but if Trump starts Ruling, and if he goes full Dark MAGA, well this time around they might indeed pack their bags.

Let’s see if Vance has the ability and testicular fortitude to go full NRx on the Universities. After all, he’s been reading some obscure blogs and probably following a few “interesting” accounts on X.

notglowing says:

FOX just called Pennsylvania. It *may* finally be over.
It’s not 3 AM yet, though.
Still, it’s looking like the landslide was too big to rid, and the DEI hires didn’t help.

The Cominator says:

Paul Ryan’s fox wouldn’t call it if a steal was steal feasible. Its Hoe-ver, the Thermidorean faction has defeated the Jacobians.

notglowing says:

CNN Called PA for Trump. Seems exceedingly unlikely there will be a steal at this point.

notglowing says:

NBC confirmed Trump as the victor in PA as well.

alf says:

What a wonderful day.

Pax Imperialis says:

Not enough crying a la 2016 standard, even Rachel Maddow seemed remarkably level headed.

Was looking for much wrenching of wombs and twisting of tits.

My schadenfreude is unstated.

Feels bad. 🙃

notglowing says:

I didn’t expect there would be as much crying, because this time they weren’t nearly as surprised, they genuinely didn’t believe he could win in 2016.
And they hadn’t been through 4 years of him so they probably genuinely believed their propaganda about him.

notglowing says:

Trump called his own victory. Watching his speech live atm.
https://youtu.be/uT9s4BXcv6w

Feels almost as good as it did in 2016. I’m glad I stayed up to watch this.

Calvin says:

Looks like it’s a wrap for Trump. The PA steal didn’t come through this time.

https://decisiondeskhq.com/results/2024/General/President/

dharmicreality says:

When can we confirm that Trump is the next President? Is there any possibility of a last minute dump of ballots this time?

Seems Jim’s prediction of Thermidor has came true. Impressive.

notglowing says:

The time is variable because it will take variable amounts of time for different states to certify votes. He wins as soon as he has secured over 270 electors, and some states are already known to be Republican no matter what, only the swing states matter.

So we’re going to know as soon as a few key swing states officially call Trump the victor.
It’s getting increasingly difficult for a steal to happen as time passes and more votes get counted.
The more states he wins, the more likely we’ll know soon. Some states have said they won’t finish counting until days after the election, so if it came down to them, it would be a problem. But it’s not looking like those votes will be necessary.

Jim says:

It remains possible, though increasingly less likely that sixty million votes will be found under the sofa cushions at three in the morning. Not entirely out of the woods until Trump is sitting in the Oval office surrounded by his own people. Feeling optimistic, but expect the unexpected.

dharmicreality says:

When I checked a few hours back, Trump was comfortably winning. After that, seems that Harris has “caught up” a bit. Still Trump is in the driver’s seat.

Thousands of miles away, seems to me that the GAE elite cohesion breakdown has had its impact.

Seems like if a steal has to happen this time, it will be even more blatant and obvious than the last time. If the Leftist faction of the elites dare to try to pull it off at the last moment, it may be even more hotly contested by Thermidor provided Trump is willing to fight.

T says:

Thermidor has spoken.

Remember: NO magnanimity!

We were handed by God four years to do everything in our power to destroy the Left completely and permanently. The ballot box is not the end, but the beginning of a thrilling and likely rather challenging journey.

Eyes on the ball – Harvard delenda est!

Leftism shall be made not just unspeakable, but unthinkable.

HARVARD DELENDA EST.

Oh, and helicopter goes ***brrrrrrr***.

dharmicreality says:

If Trump is President, we will see an end of GAE forever wars around the world. Even that single reason is sufficient for the non-globohomo nations to welcome a Trump return to the White House.

T says:

Peace in Eastern Europe. Peace in the Middle-East. No global nuclear war with Russia, China, or any other country that has nukes. Peace of Westphalia – Russia gets to be Orthodox, India gets to be Hindu, Israel gets to be Jewish, Saudi Arabia gets to be Muslim, and hopefully America ditches Satan and embraces the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

There is still hope for Civilization.

dharmicreality says:

“AP hasn’t called this election”

I am not aware of what significance this statement has. But does the media usually call the election in the US? Pretty strange.

Update: Hmmm. Trump seems stuck at 267 while Harris is at 224. What are the chances of a steal now?

Jim says:

To get another fifty states, they would have to take emergency actions in some states even more unusual than the 3AM ballot trucks of 2020. Which is possible, but might well lead to civil war, since this time around not everyone in the elite is going to along with it.

notglowing says:

AP (American) and Reuters (British) are the only two English speaking news agencies with that level of global coverage and importance.
As such AP is the news authority for the US, effectively. They are the source all the other media companies draw from.
AP not calling it yet isn’t that important, but if they did call it, that would mean the media consensus is clear.

Official confirmation is technically only on January 6th, 2025.

Dharmicreality says:

Indian media is reporting Trump victory and a liberal/woke meltdown in America

Modi congratulated Trump already. Wow.

Jim says:

Everyone agrees he won — except a small number of the usual suspects.

If the usual suspects try to do something, unlikely to fly.

dharmicreality says:

Well seems it’s all over now. Just saw the poll tracker on NYT. Even the globohomo media has conceded.

Jim, you were bang on the prediction on thermidor, but the far left came very close to eliminating Trump as you had earlier predicted but somehow he has risen up and won. The elite cohesion breakdown has worked in Trump’s favour.

We may yet avoid World War 3.

Unz says:

It feels good to hear, “Harvard delenda est”

notglowing says:

Let it be remembered that Trump became president twice, and arguably won the election three times.
Whatever they may say about him as a president, he won the game of politics, and has been as successful as an American politician is legally allowed to be.

No one will be able to claim that 2016 was a fluke, that MAGA was an accident of history.

Fuck everyone who sneered at him all these years.
They can dilate in hell.

Upravda says:

Well, well…

It seems we’ll be enjoying yet another leftie /progsie /demon-luvving meltdown.

🙂 🙂 🙂

I just hope that Mr. Trump will remain a good man, and that he again will not start another war abroad. A little war around Harvard and Washington is okay. 🙂

Milosevic says:

Would it be possible to get the comments flipped like the old blog so newest appears at the top of the comment section? A bit tedious to scroll to the bottom every time.

Adam says:

It is quicker to stay on the front page and scroll to the bottom where the recent comments are by clicking one of the recent comment links.

/pol/watcher says:

Heard comments on exit polling in GA, that Trump got 25% if Black men and 45% of Latino men. Proof that solving the WP first is most critical to any restoration of the West.

Suburban Karens were unmoved, of course, from 2020. Abortion is their highest value it seems.

Assuming any credence to the press.

T says:

Female misbehavior, sexual or otherwise, has gotten so bad that by the end of this decade, there will be little to no white-knight pussy-pedestalizing simps left around. They will all have either died of old age or taken the redpill/blackpill.

This was a very Jewish Election (10.7 created elite disunity between the Jewish and anti-Jewish factions; ultimately the riggers ended up being nothing but niggers), but from now on, I expect the JQ to gradually fade out of focus, and the WP to start taking central stage.

In 5 or 6 more years of walking around with perpetual blue balls, the Taliban will indeed look and sound like rainbow-haired feminists compared to the average American man. You will have bearded Jihadists in the desert telling each other, “Whoa, let’s take it easy, we don’t want to go Full American.” Imagine a breeding farm above ground and a rape-dungeon underground – the chicks will LOVE it!

Seriously though, the end of the gynocracy is in sight. It isn’t close yet, it is still far off in the distance, but now it’s in sight.

Jehu says:

There’s a nontrivial number of black men and Hispanic men who want into Patriarchy. A lot of Hispanic men are just white guys with Spanish surnames also.

Encelad says:

Good.
Now, as Elon said in 2023…

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1668673066115711011

Fidelis says:

Price posted a list of names after the election results came out

https://x.com/realErikDPrince/status/1854066720496918701

I was really disappointed when I saw it was just Venezuelan goons.

JustAnotherGuy says:

Just asked a dude who knew the amish community kids how they managed to keep their tight high tfr families, and he told me that amish kids quit before getting into highschool. A lesson to be learned there.

Will Trump destroy credentialism once and for all? I am pretty sure it wouldn’t take that much time to turn an Amish dude who does carpentry into a power engineer at a nuclear reactor. The endless papers needed is killing the industry. The HR ladies need to go.

Hesiod says:

Wish I had time to celebrate with you lads this morning, but there’s still a bunch of milk cartons to put photos on in hopes of tracking down all those millions of missing voters who went for Brandon in ’20.

James says:

Jim, when are we getting your commentary on today’s election outcomes? Trump won handily, and I don’t think any of us expected the left to allow it to happen as smoothly as it seems to be happening. I’m interested in hearing your take on what went wrong for the left. Infighting and lack of cohesion rendering them incapable of the same tactics they used in 2020? That’s about the best interpretation I can come up with, but I’m always interested in your take on these things.

Adam says:

For an indicator or what went wrong, just watch Kamelas party from last night at the southern college (I can’t remember which). Literally a parade of niggers on stage twerking and throwing gang signs. These were college students mind you at a prestigious university. That’s what these people are capable of creating.

Hesiod says:

Still not a pip from the Harris campaign since last night’s “We still have votes to count” from the co-chair. Barry might have to drown two niggas this time in his pond to calm down.

Hesiod says:

CNN reports Harris will concede at 4:00pm EST today.

In other news, Walz has proved useful after all. He’s turning into the obligatory white man scapegoat as to why Harris lost amongst the woke faithful.

Dharmicreality says:

Arnab Goswami having fun analysing Trump’s win and pissing on the liberal/woke’s defeat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxhw5dOrIQY

Mainstream media in India seems positive towards Trump.
https://archive.ph/RUnAM

Bix Nudelmann says:

“No one is above the law.”

Look it’s Thermidor. I get it. The GAE needs the Gollum and the Gollum needs vitamins. OK. But relaxing my eyes a bit and looking just at the surface of things, I can’t believe this.

The media, “courts”, universities and the rest of the “status structure” have been 24-7 Orange Man Bad for eight straight years now. And Covid and Saint Floyd. The fact that this was even net-sum-possible is some kind of Soft Regime Change. The official faith is wavering.

All I want is helicopters, disappearances, boots up asses, peace in Europe and Asia, and to go to my fucking job.

That Elon and Vance are in on this gives me a faint hope that Sulla is coming to town, but I’m still worried.

“No one is above the law.”

MuskFan says:

The Democrats were completely prepared the steal it again at 3AM through big city ballot dumping:

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1854015622335594953

Seems like the Media Elites were not willing to play ball (realizing that the steal would be even more absurdly obvious then the last time), and decided to just call it for Trump early before the 3AM fake ballots could be even dropped.

They must have realized that letting an even more enormous and obvious steal to happen would have completely shattered all credibility in the system and decided to, smartly, try to regain some of that credibility by allowing a fairly normal election to happen given they were less scared of a Trump victory this time around as he is more of a Thermidorian candidate.

dave says:

Yes, that path was closed to them by the GE making his alliance with Thermidor, which includes control of communication platforms (X, WaPo). Very risky for them to do the steal. Meanwhile in GA Trump made an alliance with GOP leadership and we saw the SoS (Raffensberger) declared, weirdly, at midnight, that there was no path for Harris via a public press conference. IOTW he was telling the county BoEs to wrap it up. Im sure similar orders went out to other SoS/BoE personnel in swing states.

in related news, Bezos bends the knee:
https://x.com/JeffBezos/status/1854184441511571765

As Jim predicted, the machinery was in place, it IS centralized, but the orders did not come.

Bix Nudelmann says:

That’s a lot of acronyms, wise guy.

MuskFan says:

That makes sense. Interestingly, even up to the point where Trump was giving his victory speech, only Fox had called the race for Trump while every single one of the other legacy networks just kept saying all the battle ground states were too close too call and Trump was just “speaking to campaign members at Mar-a-lago”.

They were certainly prepared to allow the steal to commence but must have finally realized they did not have the GOP nor the print media (NYT/WaPo) playing ball and no longer had Twitter to coordinate the propaganda messaging as a loudspeaker.

Neurotoxin says:

Well!

I went to bed before anything had been settled last night, woke up this morning, saw the result, and immediately had to go to work. So just weighing in now…

1) Awesome!

2) We have confirmation that the overall electoral fraud machinery is significantly and crucially centralized. Congrats, Jim; as recently as a week ago I would have bet against that. Sometimes it’s NIIIIIIICE to be wrong! And, a closely related point, this means there is a “margin of fraud,” at least if the enemy is not cohesive.

3) A stray thought: I wonder if Harris actually wanted to win. Her ambitions in life seemed to be no higher than to be some California politico’s cock holster. She was probably just as surprised as the rest of the world to find herself the Dem candidate.

Bix Nudelmann says:

“ 2) We have confirmation that the overall electoral fraud machinery is significantly and crucially centralized.”

OK. While the iron is hot, please elaborate on this point, and try not to leave anything out. What did you witness/experience that confirmed this to you?

Neurotoxin says:

I sense sarcasm in this question, for some reason, but I’ll answer it anyway:

As a preliminary remark, there’s the Time article, which I just became aware of a few days ago. (See links elsewhere in this comment section.) The article is convincing because Time is part of The Blob, so it’s a confession from the horse’s mouth.

Now the substance of the answer, pertaining to what we’ve seen over the last 36 hours:

If electoral fraud is entirely decentralized they couldn’t turn it on or off at will. Or at any rate their cohesion or lack thereof wouldn’t matter. If it’s entirely decentralized, as I had thought until quite recently, it’s all just a bunch of retail-level fraudsters in Philadelphia, etc., doing the fraud without any contribution or direction from higher up. In that case the result this year presumably would have been the same as in 2020: “Trump is Hitler Squared, therefore we must ensure that (etc.)” Whether prominent players like Musk or Bezos are on board with the fraud, or not on board with it, wouldn’t matter. This year it obviously mattered.

Adam says:

It was clear early in the evening that the press was cool with Trump winning and also it seemed implicit in the coverage that fraud was a factor in 2020 and would not be a deciding factor this time.

This time Trump had support from powerful people that he did not have 4 years ago.

Jehu says:

I’d argue that there’s probably a few million in distributed fraud throughout the country, mostly in big cities. But you don’t get the 2020 Costco-sized fraud without said centralization, and you can’t provide plausible deniability for it without lockstep media suppression.

Neurotoxin says:

Precisely.

Neurotoxin says:

Clarification: I’m not saying that Musk and Bezos direct electoral fraud operations; I’m using them as symbols of what the quote elite unquote want to happen.

Your Uncle Bob says:

Trump’s winning electoral map this year looks very similar to 2020’s early electoral map before the 3 am ballot dump. The telling difference is that individual states and news outlets started to call it sooner this year. Suggests that word went out in 2020, but not this year.

In all, a big win for Jim’s Thermidor hypothesis, as others have said.

Though it thankfully wasn’t enough for them, I cling to a weak form of my decentralized vote stealing assertion. Watching news stations last night I was struck by how reporting of early vote totals by district or county fed late reporters all the numbers they needed to know to come up with the votes to swing a state. Swinging a close race could be done haphazardly by only a few people of like mind with tvs on in the background, wouldn’t necessitate orders from on high.

Then, Florida. Trump +14 when it used to be a razor thin swing state. Also, timely vote counting and reporting in Florida. The two facts remarked on even by Fox news as completely unrelated – the first a big political swing, the second a non-partisan matter of good governance. Only they look connected to me – fast counts and timely reporting an iron fist inside a velvet glove for the Republicans. (Credit where it’s due, turns out DeSantis is good for something after all, though I still consider him a shabbos goy.)

Putting the above together I’m even coming up with a crazy idea that safe blue states with a red hinterland around one big population center like New York, Illinois, Oregon might be competitive under a regime of fast counts and simultaneous release of results. This seems a theoretical concern, since honest counts and simultaneous release of results may be a coup-complete problem. Still, it means they might fall in line easier than either side expects in the event push comes to shove.

TheDividualist says:

There is really a strangely divine looking Providence sometimes. OK so we wanted a warrior, and got instead the guy wrote The Art Of The Deal, the one who advertises he is a merchant in the loudest possible ways. But in this particular case, a Dealmaker might be indeed more useful than a warrior. Russia can be dealt with, the truth is the whole thing is way more expensive than they expected it to be, and are looking for a honorable, face-saving way out. The Western Left cannot be dealt with.

[…] I commented here, what the article reveals […]

Mayflower Sperg says:

On Nov. 10, Trump warned Putin not to escalate the war in Ukraine. A week later, Biden authorized Ukraine to strike deep inside Russia with American-supplied missiles.

What is this, one last attempt to start WW3 and launch the nukes before Trump can stop it? Will Trump warn Zelensky that if he does deep strikes, his funding stops on Jan. 20?

Dan says:

While the Affairs of who is guilty of “causing” or “starting” the War in Ukraine will be debated for ages. Setting that aside…

Biden/West/NATO’s fuckup in Ukraine mirrors that of their fuckup in Afghanistan, the fuckup of the Woke Gay Democrat Left Pols in general, of Neocon Baby Bush, of the Corrupt Clintons, Fraud Obama, etc.

https://truthovernews.org/p/obamas-ukraine-cover-up
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-escalates-half-ukrainians-want-negotiated-end-war-asap
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-says-its-ready-any-realistic-ukraine-peace-plan-icbms-fly

One thing is certain, irrespective the unknowability of Russia/Putin’s secretly held hard objectives and capitulation points, setting that speculation aside, it is clearly the USA/West/NATO that fucked up and is responsible for Ukraine’s current massive loss of battles and sovereign territory and infrastructure and men.

Why?

Because during the first critical weeks and month Biden/West slow rolled and delayed all manner of aid into Ukraine, particularly physical military supplies (not to include western troops). The West bleated acting like sheep for months that the West was afraid, combined with “bleeding Russia out” strategy, which Putin then capitalized on those turning them into unchecked and sweeping battlefield advances, including free license to destroy civilian infrastructure, smashing housing, utility, etc.

In non-military fuckup… the first treaty, which would have cost only half what Russia has today taken from Ukraine’s internationally recognized land border, was rejected by the UK/US, who continued to PsyOp Zelensky into thinking he could win, without supplying the resources necessary to win.

Further, the West never articulated a Moral or Diplomatic position of high ground against Russia’s incursion. And in result Russia promptly engaged and realigned economic military and political support from the East/Browns into favoring Russia.

Meanwhile, both the West (failed GAE) and Zelensky (the naked faggot comedy show actor) didn’t crackdown on the hundred-$Billion of internal Ukrainian corruption.

In war, the invader is always unsure of exactly what defenses they will face, so their incursion across borders always has some element and moment of unsure footing that can easily be turned back and sent home packing early… out of fear if nothing else.

The West should have started shipping when it saw Russia’s material movement, and certainly in by Putin’s last speech.

The “West” lost by not immediately throwing everything behind Ukraine’s defense effort. Ukraine thus began losing massive Infra and Manpower. Russia was given time and space to ship in massive support Infra of its own. To the point that Russia won the war.

If you don’t go brutally hard repelling against those invading you, at least in your own fields, the moment they incurge upon your own lands, you lose. And are then forced to play the long game.

Alternatively, the West could have advised UA to capitulate to Russia’s request on the day of Putin’s speech.

Ukraine and its Sovereign Lands were not particularly Russia’s to win, they were more the West’s to lose. And yet again, the West and its corrupt gay faux geopolitcal leadership fucked up.

Next up is Taiwan, and the Taiwanese people better think long and hard about the West’s fuckups. Any Declaration of Independence by Taiwan, such Declaration being the Right of all Freedom seeking people to do if they so decide, should not depend on the West.

UA Factchek says:

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Jim says:

take the shill test. Your comments will then come through unmolested. Anyone can pass the shill test described in the moderation policy and get white listed, regardless of their political beliefs and what they want to talk about.

There is no censorship on this blog, just spam prevention, plus I bring endless unresponsive threads to an end for wasting space.

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