It is time

For a long time I was predicting war or democide in 2025, but then fourteen years ago, in 2012, I backed off a bit from that prediction to instead predict war, collapse, democide, or whatever, in 2026.

Well, 2026 is nearly over, and it is not war or democide yet.

But there was an interesting post on X.

If the Democrats win, they are going after the entire facefag right.

So if they win in 2026, this is the last election.

It is win or die. The Republic has been over for some time. You just have to get on with killing your political opponents, or they are going to kill you. Those slow to figure this out will die.

Elections require a willingness to live with your political opponents. Politics has become existential. The left is no longer willing to accept the continued existence of the right.

If I am wrong, not wrong by much, for the conditions that make the pretense of democracy possible have collapsed, and political questions must now be resolved by violence. The only question is which side’s violence will have the apparatus of state power?

You cannot hold an election when one side proposes to criminalize the other side’s political orientation if they win. If the left win the election, the side about to be criminalized is just not going to hand over power.

We just have to drag out every judge and bureaucrat involved in weaponizing justice and just kill them, then just kill anyone who attempts to conducts elections in ways that enable fraud. We probably will not do what we have to do, at least not in 2026, but that is just going to increase the butcher’s bill when it finally comes due.

If we just kill them, history suggests that the Republic would survive such drastic surgery. But we are unlikely to do the necessary surgery in time, so the Republic is unlikely to survive, though the pretense that it survives will probably continue for a long time.

Regardless of how people vote, the outcome is likely to be that both sides declare victory. “Oh no”, the Dems will cry, “Thugs from ICE are suppressing the votes we found under the couch cushions two months after election day.” Normally Republicans respond to this by genteely pretending to believe, lest democratic legitimacy be doubted, but since they are likely to go to jail if the Democrats win, they are likely to be less credulous than usual.

The killing will not necessarily start before the election, nor immediately after, but if both sides fail to agree on the outcome of an election, what is there but force?

Suppose the Republicans do accept that the Democrats won, thanks to high turnout on postal votes and voting machines. Well, as the purge gets under way, there will nonetheless be trouble, though the trouble may well manifest more as one-sided democide of white males than as civil war.

After 2020 I predicted a purge like that promised by Elissa Slotkin for 2026. It did not happen. The gerontocrats in charge of the Democrats backed away from the precipice. Those people are no longer holding the leash.

What has changed, what has been changing all my life but is now reaching critical levels, is that the left is no longer willing to exist in the same universe as the right, the brown left no longer willing to exist in the same universe as straight white males, and white liberal women are no longer willing to exist.

202 comments It is time

alf says:

the conditions that make the pretense of democracy possible have collapsed, and political questions must now be resolved by violence.

You can tell how true this is by the continued denial of the blatant electoral fraud that took place in 2020. If there can be no conversation on the failings of American democracy, then no solution can be agreed upon and it will come down to violence.

On which, per usual, both sides are in denial. This lady who is threatening Trump loyalists as much as Trump himself, because while we hear her say ‘you and your family will be killed’ she hears herself say ‘just some old fashioned justice, nothing too radical.’

Karl says:

How does democrats winning the lections in 2026 enable them to go after the facefag right?

Senate and congress are legislative. Granted, they may pass laws that being a facefag right is a crime that carries the death penalty, but they still lack executive to power to enforce that law and kill every facefag right and anyone they suspect of being a facefag right.

Governors have executive power. Some governors may enforce such laws, but if they want to do that what is keeping them from doing it now? What would change for these governors by election results for senate and congress?

I do expect war and democide, but I don’t see how the November elections could trigger it.

Say there will be massive fraud. The dems claim they won everything by a wide margin. Maybe the government will then call it fraud, tries to punish everybody involved and things quickly escalate to civil war.

The other possibility is another TACO and the governments concedes the election. Then no war and no democide for another 2 years as the government ignores or applies new law only in a small extent. Then war and democide happen only 2029 when a dem president takes power- which will happen as fraud has by then been effectively legalized by the government’s inaction after the fraud of 2026.

dave says:

My fear is that our beloved boomercon in chief wants to run against an insane Democrat run congress in 2027 to setup a presidential run for Vance or Rubio in 2028.

Which is just more fishing in the rubicon.

What we want is Eloise Slotkin and all the other deep state operatives get a knock on the door tomorrow and are removed from power for Conspiracy against exercise of rights under color of Law, 18 USC 241

https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-18-crimes-and-criminal-procedure/18-usc-sect-241/

Contaminated NEET says:

>Conspiracy against exercise of rights under color of Law, 18 USC 241

What are you, some kind of sovereign citizen? That’s “paper terrorism,” you know.

Jim says:

> How does democrats winning the elections in 2026 enable them to go after the facefag right?

> Senate and congress are legislative.

You suffer from normality bias. You write as if we had laws, legality, and a constitution.

They presuppose the permanent government is on their side, and if they can come up with some shreds of legalism to cover the permanent government’s actions, it is going to arrest the merely elected government for daring to oppose them.

They might not be entirely correct — the permanent government may be reluctant to let the lack of law and order hang out in front of everyone, might prefer more cover than a legislative majority can give it, but they think otherwise, and I think otherwise. I don’t know, and maybe they do not know either. We shall see. I was wrong in 2020, I could be wrong again.

Karl says:

If Dems try to order the permanent government to arrest the elected government, Trump will have another golden opportunity to crush his enemies. Then it will be win or die.

If the Dems do not try to order the permanent government to arrest the elected government, the confrontation will happen later. If it happens after election of a Dem president (with or without fraud), chances in 2029 will be much worse than next month.

It all depends on the president. You can only hope that greatness will be forced upon Trump or that he dies suddenly to allow Vance to take over. If November results in another TACO, get out of the US while it is possible.

anon says:

Get out of the US? And go where?

US is the most powerful nation in the world even now, and due to its natural advantages always will be if its leaders aren’t completely tarded. It is also currently a bastion of free speech, the ability to point out Emperor Europe and all other emperors everywhere have no clothes.

If the US falls, its power is turned against free men everywhere, and soon there will be no more free men, only rule by naked emperors forever.

Flee the urban centers if that affords you temporary advantage in the fight, but you are a fool if you don’t fight for the US at all. Everywhere on Earth is conquered. There is nowhere left to run.

FrankNorman says:

If the USA gets taken over completely by the ever-lefter lunatic left, it will not remain a great military or economic power for very long.
In fact, that’s the whole point, for the people who are behind the lunatic left.

At this point it seems reasonable, even humane, to begin exterminating democrats and socialists.

Communism, socialism, DEI, jihad, the whole thing, it’s a cancer on western society. If you don’t eliminate a cancer it *will* eventually kill its host.

Everyone from the “teens” to the HR department. They are waging war against us. Deciding that we have not already surrendered seems the only way to survive.

Deus vult.

Contaminated NEET says:

No way. Elissa Slotkin’s plan will work exactly like she thinks it will. Trump will TACO. Republican leadership will be secretly (and not so secretly) glad that the Dems crushed the embarrassing populist wing of their party. A few dozen or a few hundred admin hacks will go behind bars for decades for utterly routine paperwork crimes that the system cheerfully ignores when everyone else does them. Everyone will then understand that it is illegal to be right of Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney will be ecstatic.

Eventually, yes, it will be illegal to be right of Barack Obama, and then right of AOC, etc., etc., but it will be gradual enough that everyone respectable will adjust. Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior: we will talk when we should be fighting, and so we will lose, like we always do.

>The only question is which side’s violence will have the apparatus of state power?
This is not in question. The state is 90% staffed with the enemy and his sympathizers; it’s blatantly obvious which way they’ll break if things get violent. But this election will not be the precipitating incident.

MoarSpace says:

> Slotkin

Funny you should mention this CIA Jew cunt, her evil woman pic is making the rounds, lol

https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/inline-images/image%20-%202026-10-18T082044.775_0.jpg

One could fill an entire book with Women whose sole apparent purpose is to wreck free countries and liberty, and overpower and imprison Men.

Also the noticible correlation between the time Women flooded into Parliaments and Congresses, and Nations started collapsing, importing browns, went cuck-ghey-woke, etc.

Not to mention the entire WEF gang, all of them have wrought heavy Leftism damage upon the Western civilization.

Ursula VonDerLayen
Christine LaGarde
Abigail Spanberger
Mikie Sherrill
Elaine Luria
Elissa Slotkin
Kathleen Rice
Chrissy Houlahan
Ilhan Omar
Rashida Tlaib
… on and on and on and on

Jim says:

Allowing this through, because it makes the point that white liberal women are the worst people in the world.

Which is far from being a thought crime, but not what we usually hear from shills.

Oskar says:

Also Jacinda Ardern, now living in exile.

MoarSpace says:

> Jacinda Ardern, now living in exile.

She did NZ hard with her COV/Climate scams and her Islam loving, and now she’s got in 23+3 years of public Leftism, and is still going.

> now living in exile

Lol, it’s worse… She joined Harvard and a bunch of other Lefty orgs, so call it what it is… exorbitant NGO pay for the remote-work-from-home-job of Ruling from Exile

Then there was the hijab-wearing Helen Clark before her, doing an astonshing 46+9 years of Socialist nonsense to NZ and the World.

George Bush’s daughters have come out as Leftists, with Bush himself cheering Biden.

Men really need to learn again to keep their daughters at home and marry them off to a Man who will keem them at home.

Man has enough problem managing Man, without having to deal with the Serpent using Woman as Proxy against Man when she’s left free outside the house.

FrankNorman says:

The woman in that image seems to have a family resemblance to Hillary Clinton, at least when she was younger.

MoarSpace says:

The resemblance to the woman on this “democracy” team you speak of is not a shop

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Barack_Obama_and_Hillary_Clinton_at_home_of_Aung_San_Suu_Kyi.jpg

They ply the looks of the innocent ‘younger’ to trap you into the diabolical plans of the old HAGS.

Keep and marry the young ones… for if your Civ lets them run stray, within 40 years you will be swamped by legion of cat-ladies.

MoarSpace says:

Clinton and her feral cat-gang of hags plotting to steal the Supreme Court

https://x.com/WesternLensman/status/2113223237375267146

Not to mention what all the hags in the recent leaked video dumps have planned to unleash in 2027.

Melting wax-faced goblin cat-lady Jen Welch comes out firing pistols at Vance and Thiel.

Used to be you could marry of the incorrigible young ones to whoever.
But no one wants these hags.
There has to be a solution to this problem.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Keep the Ukraine war going a bit longer by drafting old hags and sending them to the front.

MoarSpace says:

Here is another evil woman gleefully disclosing the global effort to trannify your children and cuck your men out of frame

https://x.com/iamlisalogan/status/1663257319491387392

Jim says:

> Eventually, yes, it will be illegal to be right of Barack Obama, and then right of AOC, etc., etc., but it will be gradual enough that everyone respectable will adjust.

Normality bias. The rate of change has been getting faster and faster, and is heading to infinite leftism in finite time.

I made this prediction a very long time ago by watching the rate of change getting faster and faster.

And if I have the date wrong, it is not wrong by a whole lot. If everything continues as it has been going, if business as normal, 2026 AOC is going to be Nazi Nazi Hitler Hitler literally Hitler by 2027, just as 2013 Obama is as measured by 2015 Obama.

Anon says:

I was amazed watching Mamdani getting shouted as traitor by the left for the crime of visiting Jewish oct 7 vigil,
The guy is The Left current face and the left passed him so fast.
Something in the end gonna give

Jim says:

The day after tomorrow, tomorrow’s leftmost will be Nazi Nazi Hitler literally Hitler.

Jim says:

Leftism has to get ever lefter, ever faster, or die.

Right now it is right on the precipice between dying, death by Thermidorian Reaction, and going a whole lot lefter, a whole lot faster.

If death by Thermidorian Reaction, we stand a good chance of winding up with Napoleon’s excellent laws on women, sex, children, marriage, and family.

Anonymous Fake says:

The main issue is that Democrats are set to win legitimately. [Deleted for all the usual reasons]

Jim says:

That the Democrats oppose the SAVE America Act (Safeguard American Voter Eligibility Act) indicates that they have not legitimately won an election in decades.

Which is likely to bother Republicans if people who plan to arrest them win another election using the usual means.

Jim says:

Democrats are already preparing a plan to declare the Federally elected government illegitimate.

If you think you are going to win legitimately, you do not prepare to reject an election outcome.

They are preparing for a situation where they attempt an over the top steal, it gets disallowed, they claim voter suppression, and they whip up some rationale to give Civil War 2.0 legitimacy.

During the Ice riots two state governments gave orders to their police and national guard which, if they had been obeyed, would have led to my prediction being fulfilled.

They are preparing for another go at this if they do not get the election outcome they want.

Red says:

If they’ve decided on war then why not use Ukrainian drone forces in decapitation strike with CIA aid?

Contaminated NEET says:

They haven’t decided on war. They’ve decided on lawfare. It’s going to be a series of law enforcement actions, and calling it a “war” will be a criminal act under the mis- dis- and malinformation laws. If they can keep it from escalating into clear open war, they win with 100% certainty.

Neurotoxin says:

If this stays at a level that is decided by the utterly lawless judges and if the Trump administration obeys the judges, then the left will win with 100% certainty, or something close to 100% certainty. (There is always a remote possibility that the Supreme Court will make the right decisions and that the relevant parts of the law enforcement apparatus will obey the Supreme Court.)

Plainly, then, utterly lawless judges cannot be allowed to decide this conflict.

So it comes down to who in the Trump administration understands this, and whether they have the steel to do what must be done.

Do they get it? Do enough people, highly placed enough, understand that we are past the event horizon of civil war, that it cannot be avoided? That it is now not a matter of “if,” but just a matter of timing, and of who is in the White House when it happens?

Jim says:

> we are past the event horizon of civil war, that it cannot be avoided? That it is now not a matter of “if,” but just a matter of timing, and of who is in the White House when it happens?

On the one hand, want to start it with your guy in the White House. On the other hand, want to blame the other guy for starting it.

Neurotoxin says:

The left will always blame the right, no matter what.

Humungus says:

“It is win or die…”

You must not fear death for it awaits us all. Instead avoid dying poorly, needlessly and let your adversary live in fear. Their fear is our ally. You must make a friend of fear because if you do not, it will become the enemy that destroys you from the inside. Live each day, confident in the fact that you can die at any moment.

Humungus says:

I will not pretend that death does not await me.
I will not confuse courage with recklessness, nor restraint with weakness.
I will make an ally of fear, a discipline of hardship, and a practice of self-command.
I will not seek conflict to prove my strength, nor surrender my judgment to avoid it.
I will speak deliberately, act decisively, and remain composed when others lose theirs.
I will not allow anger, pride, or another person’s intimidation to govern my actions.
I will remember that my time is finite, and I will live accordingly.

ryan says:

I would like to request or propose a ‘Book of Jim’ project, being a concise collection of the true nature of important things such as women, and how individual behavior, culture and law need to be to ensure reproduction, prosperity, peace, spiritual health and so on.

Anyone reading the blog for years will pick up on most of this, but it is scattered and not distribution-friendly.

I’m envisioning some kind of open source repo which can have sections added and improved over time, which can be ‘built’ into a highly readable and shareable pdf. There could be separate books on different topics instead of necessarily putting everything in one book. One title could be “Own your woman – The true right wing guide for men”, or one aimed at power players like “The radical left will persecute you when they win- The necessity of securing and wielding military, legal, financial and cultural power”

Hesiod says:

That reminds of a strange sighting a few weeks back when testing various search engines for links to this blog. Multiple volumes already compiled and published per this example:

https://www.amazon.com/Jims-Blog-2020-2024-Jim-Donald/dp/B0DVBP5888

Pardon if old news, but novel to me.

Neurotoxin says:

Complete with snazzy rooster logo!

Amazon also flashed me a pop-up offering to notify me if the price drops.

Hesiod says:

Does it still qualify as samizdat if Target carries it?

Neurotoxin says:

Only if they keep it on the secured shelves with the cigarettes and ammo.

Pax Imperialis says:

You can find a variety of compilations of NRx blogs. I found Xenosystems on Amazon when looking for a backup of Land’s site after he shut it down.

I’m pretty sure most of these books are randoms souring the internet and repackaging content for a quick hopeful buck. None of those books are in storage. Amazon prints on demand.

Parlawn says:

Spiral: Far-Left DSA appears to be mailing powder threats to kill the Center-Left Dems who refuse to endorse al-Sayed (according one post).
Of course most these type of things are ops, but the spiral is funny if true.

Since al-Sayed refuses to denounce Muslim-Brotherhood, you can find all the documents from the Holy-Land-Foundation trial (search, or RAIR has a copy https://rairfoundation.com/ @AmyMek).
The plan in the 38yo docs shockingly matches everything you see going on with Islam invading political office throughout the West and USA today.
In 2017, rapper Zohran Mamdani, later elected Mayor of New York City, expressed support for the “Holy Land Five” in the song “Salaam”.

Karl says:

Shockingly?

Your choice of words shows that you are not doing much reading here and simply show up to unload your “news”.

alf says:

Yes same with commenter Moarspace mentioning Elissa Slotkin as if she wasn’t a head subject in Jim’s post. Clearly they have to make their rounds and take the barest amount of time to check what they’re actually commenting on.

alf says:

Well this is interesting – https://x.com/DataRepublican/status/2112364654991409339

A Nuland color revolution tape, but instead of 2014 Ukraine it concerns 2026 USA. Big if true.

Contaminated NEET says:

Well, look at that. The Left is prepared with a solid plan, infinite funds, and thousands of their people already in place at all levels of government. Does our side have anything remotely comparable? Of course not. Will any of these Leftist revolutionaries be prosecuted, or even removed from their positions of power? Of course not. Rightists who produced a document like that would die behind bars. Leftists get sinecures, promotions, and glowing press. The funniest part is, they won’t even need their color revolution plans, because the Right will surrender without a fight.

Jim says:

> The Left is prepared with a solid plan, infinite funds

Since USAID was couped and the Ukraine war far more expensive than anticipated, funds are suddenly no longer infinite. The Democrats are broke. They are now substantially less well funded than Maga.

The left plan is solid, they have been running it for decades, and it was successful for decades. But now their opponents are familiar with it, and they have to change things around to get the advantage of surprise.

> Will any of these Leftist revolutionaries be prosecuted, or even removed from their positions of power? Of course not.

Obviously if the left can punish rightists under color of law, but the right cannot punish leftists, they are going to win, and the right is going to be punished.

And then forty percent of the left is going to be redefined as rightists, and punished

And then forty percent of the remaining left is going to be redefined as rightists, and punished, so now only one third of those who originally seized power are still in power, and two thirds of them have been punished.

And then forty percent of the remaining left is going to be redefined as rightists, and executed.

And then forty percent of the remaining left is going to be redefined as rightists, and executed, so now only one tenth of those who originally seized power are still in power, and large proportion of them are dead or in prison.

And then …

Now if you are an intelligent leftist, for example you are Elon Musk, what are you going to do?

The frog is no longer being slow cooked, he is being flash fried. Infinite leftism in finite time, meaning everyone tortures everyone else to death for being insufficiently leftist, is now in sight.

The left usually suffers a lasting and terrible defeat shortly before it reaches infinite leftism.

Yes, if they had been content to take their time, they would win and go on winning. But they cannot help themselves.

Neurotoxin says:

“Well, look at that. The Left is prepared with a solid plan, infinite funds, and thousands of their people already in place at all levels of government.”

They no longer have infinite funds, as Jim pointed out. The other two things, that they have a plan and lots of people, are not news. We’ve known that for decades.

Jim says:

We know it is true, it is just that they were not caught on tape discussing it until now.

dave says:

and we are turning them into namefags… They arent going to like that.

Arrests will come… one way or the other.

dave says:

https://x.com/Schwalm5132/status/2112899006053466468
the link – making them famous.

Anon says:

[*deleted for failure to attempt the shill test described in the moderation policy*]

Jim says:

I am silently deleting a huge number of attacks on Trump, Musk, Vance, Hegseth, etcetera ,and so on and so forth, which supposedly are attacking them for being insufficiently right wing, due to connections between them and Indians, or them and Jews and such.

But strangely, none of these more right wing than thou commenters can pass the shill test.

Funny thing that.

Anon says:

“But strangely, none of these more right wing than thou commenters can pass the shill test.”

Very well then:

“Why do women misbehave?

Women are uncontrollably and self destructively lustful, and therefore need male adult supervision to prevent them from self destructively howling for their demon lover like cats in heat, and that when given half a chance, a woman will bang a total stranger like a barn door in a high wind, should he superficially appear sufficiently high status, with utterly disastrous results for her family, her children, and herself.

“Why are men and women not getting sex and family?”

Because of lack of male patriarchal control (ownership) of modern women and the ensuing defect-defect sexual equilibrium strategy between modern men and women.

Now reinstate my original comment.

Jim says:

> Now reinstate my original comment.

Your original comment has been irreversibly deleted, and was under a different email address, so that even if I kept all the spam around, I would not know which of a hundred indistinguishable spammers passed the shill test. If you resubmit a similar comment under this email address, it will appear immediately. Nor do I keep your IP around. I keep your email address, which should be fake, around.

i says:

I do find Vivek quite a disaster politically. They do well to jettison him

Tejano Bob says:

only reason I can see for keeping vivek; is he won’t vote for dissolving the union.

miss moonbat will as governor.

you fight with the army you have; not with the one you wish you had.

i says:

A former pharmaceutical scammer being the army you have. Grim.

Tejano Bob says:

grim indeed

Pax Imperialis says:

How so?

The current news cycle criticisms directed at him exposes the failures of the contemporary right that refuses to fight more than any particular issue with him. We shouldn’t give a damn if scrounging up some delirious geriatric mother to attack her daughter is moral or ethical. The left has does that as standard practice. The only thing that matters is if the low information voter sees that ad and thinks, ‘should a vote for someone who’s own mother won’t stand by them’. Do anyone really thinks such voters do anything more than see and ad and tries to figure out the truth?

Look at how much bullshit the left has thrown at Trump that can quickly be dismissed via quick Google search, and yet a hundred million mindlessly believes anyway. Look at any interviews of shitlib college students who are pressed on why they believe anything, it’s always because that’s what the Cathedral tells them.

What I see in Vivek is a man who is willing to get his hands dirty in a war and play by no “laws of war”, and we need those types. Unfortunately he is absolutely shit in everything else.

Cloudswrest says:

Another similar post on X about Dems wanting to put Musk in jail. Musk responded earlier today.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2112964487917498728

Neurotoxin says:

Musk also responded to, and therefore signal boosted, the Data Republican link that Alf provided above.

Parlawn says:

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2112942522486202504
Need to ensure that Musk and his enterprises have 10 independent rings of security around him at all times. The Left are known assassins and they hate him as much if not more than they hate Trump.

Musk firing one of their protected-class and questioning their plans is certainly another capital offense to them.
https://x.com/igorigall/status/2112766889890082912

Left also really hates it when platforms allow exposure of what is probably their biggest current protected-class of partners
@bibblad @realMaalouf @shariakill @memritv @imtiazmadmood

And exposing results of what Leftism imports
@inevitablewest @europa @radioeuropes @radiogenoa

el-Sayed tricking the people out of their guns, lubing them up for the Red-Green conquest
https://x.com/realDailyWire/status/2112991976773857470
My guns identify as muskets so you have to accept them as what they say they are.

Of course this guy just got exposed on X by OKeefe for illegally accepting foreign campaign money.

Contaminated NEET says:

When the day comes that they execute Musk, they won’t back down from livestreaming it. On Twitter.

OldFart says:

Musk (the “all-in” types) and AI-compute (for the sciences), are absolutely critical to leveling-up Humanity to the next stage of where it needs to be to continue progress on the only Human Goal that matters (as forced by the Sun, and by resources before that [1])… getting out into the Stars.

If they kill either of them, that is Treason against Humanity, and Humanity should respond in self-defense by executing (genociding) the entire fork of failed political-DNA that did it.

[1] Humanity is now in a Hunger-Games race condition for non-renewables (to wit the extant resource wars), and is currently still losing the gamble (on: efficiency X technology X rarity X consumption rates X population).

Also… profit likely to be made in scavenging the fields of Ukraine for magnets/copper/tungsten/etc.

alf says:

Not denying this isn’t a somewhat witty comment, but have you ever been writing one of these and thought to yourself: ‘wow, I am pretty much a real life Denethor?’

Contaminated NEET says:

You brilliant plan is to send two hobbits on foot into the heart of the Dark Lord’s power, carrying the most powerful object in the world, the key to his eternal victory? And we have no chance at all of overcoming his armies and winning the war on the battlefield? And the only way we can win is if they miraculously succeed in this one-in-a-million gamble? And all of our battles and sacrifices are a diversion to up their odds to two in a million?

If he hadn’t been a fictional character in a novel written by a devout Catholic, Denethor would have been right.

alf says:

Yes yes one does not simply walk into Mordor.

I suppose you could quibble about the verisimilitude of LotR’s ‘the good guys winning in spite of overwhelming odds.’ But there is a clear carryover of character archetypes from middle earth to actual earth. Saruman is the sellout. Wormtongue is the shill. And Denethor is the coward.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

This comment–the one you replied to–explains so much about the leftoid, midwit, redditard mindset.

A man with no accomplishments and no life claims to speak with absolute authority and certainty regarding the literary merits of one of the greatest western authors in history, most likely after reading a Wikipedia or GPT summary of the plot. It’s the same category of pompous jackassery as Vox Day claiming Einstein was a fraud, but lacking old Ted’s thin wisp of “I’m just trolling” plausible deniability.

Leftoids look at the “idealized reality” definition of fantasy–where protagonists and antagonists follow familiar archetypes and display classic male and female virtues and vices, with the fantasy world being merely the setting in which these familiar dynamics are allowed to play out–with utter incomprehension. One side of the shit sandwich picks nits and says it “wouldn’t work that way in real life” (as though anyone would want to read 100% realistic fiction) and the other says “how can you be OK with orcs and dragons but object to gay couples and 90-pound girlbosses laying out 250-pound bruisers”.

But really they just pretend not to understand. Really they just hate heroism and heroic traits and they hate classic mythical archetypes and virtues. Frodo’s heroic traits are bravery and humility; he is chosen as the ring bearer precisely because he has little in the way of selfish ambition, making him less easily corruptible, and accepts his assignment with no promise of a reward despite the obvious danger involved. That is heroic, and would still be heroic even if he lost.

Neet is a pimple on the ass of society with a grossly inflated sense of self-importance and can’t stand the idea of such a small man accomplishing such an important task, even in a work of fiction. “Realistic outcome” has not a thing to do with it, despite his predictable protestations to the contrary.

Contaminated NEET says:

Back before Rowling was excommunicated, Lefties used to relate everything to Harry Potter, all the time. Whoever they didn’t like was Voldemort, and they were Dumbledore’s Army, etc., etc. People would respond, “Read another book.”

Righties are the same way about Lord of the Rings.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Back before Rowling was excommunicated

Translation: “I am still salty about the Rowling break-up so I am taking my frustration out on Tolkien”. The left always projects.

It’s not even a good try. Just in the past week or two of comments you’ll find multiple references to Shakespeare, Dostoevsky, Nabokov (c.f. Lolita) and Tolstoy, and many more older references to H.G. Wells, C.S. Lewis, Tom Wolfe, Jules Verne, Mary Shelley, Robert E. Howard and the list just goes on and on. Most of us have read translations of Homer, both Iliad and Odyssey, which is the only reason we even care about the shitty Hollywood adaptations. Neurotoxin routinely subjects himself to the horrors of female-authored romantasy, just to report back from the trenches on what gets their panties moist, and Jim does the same with female-authored web toons.

Each and every regular commenter here is several orders of magnitude more well-read than you are, if indeed you’ve ever read a single book and not just its Wikipedia summary. Like all shills, you don’t understand where you are or whom you debate. What you really mean by “read another book” is “read one of _our_ books”, and the hilarious thing about that is, we do. We’ve read the mid tier Harry Potter stuff, the trash-tier Twilight stuff, the pretentious fuckwittery of J.D. Salinger and the batshit insanity of Sylvia Plath, and we’ve even read Freud and Hegel and Foucault; we just aren’t influenced by any of it, and instead see it as a window into the very small and very black souls of you spiteful mutants.

The Cominator says:

NEET you have valid points sometimes and your first post was okay (Daddy can be provactive) but righties don’t relate everything to LOTR the way the whole cringe Dumbledores army trend did certainly we read other books here.

What rightists DO like about Tolkien even extreme anti catholics like myself (Tolkien was a kind of strange not very ultramonatist tradcath ala Mel Gibson really he should have become Orthodox) is that Tolkien sort of defined the right utopia government ie Tolkien called himself an anarcho monarchist. Now being rightists we know its an ideal not something that can really be achieved given that human nature is what it is and not the way we want it to be and Tolkien knew this too but this doesn’t mean we shouldn’t want to eventually get something close to that.

Jim says:

Anarcho monarchism (which is of course deliberately self contradictory) is very much the reactionary right’s political program.

“Leave me alone — except that I need a good King so that when the bad guys gang up on me, the good guys can gang up also.”

i says:

@Jim

A good principle behind it is basically “Effective Agency”. A diseased social body is a prison. A healthy one a vehicle of freedom and protection from predators.

Good law and order enables freedom far more so than being in a crime ridden area.

Mike in Boston says:

Anarcho monarchism (which is of course deliberately self contradictory)

Maybe on some level it is. But then again, here’s a phrase I have seen many times in the memoirs of Russian emigres who lived through the Revolution and then got out:

“When we were free under the tsar…”

Seems like the tsar left you alone enough as long as you weren’t a communist.

Adam says:

This is a good sign that Thermidor will break right. Idk if Elon is the face of Thermidor necessarily but seems pretty much in line with them. The other tech guys will see this and follow him. Rogan and all those guys will follow him. And all those guys are going to be much more comfortable trusting a Hegseth than they will ever trust anyone on the left, if it comes down to it.

WH says:

When Democrats take over Congress after November, they won’t actually be able to do anything.

Trump will still be President for 2 more years, and he has all the legislative authority he needs to keep deporting millions of foreigners and tearing down wokism.

The GOP “Red Wave” in 2010 and 2014 couldn’t stop Obama, and Democrats won’t have any power to stop Trump.

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Jim says:

You are writing as if we still had laws, legality, a constitution and all that.

The Republican majority could not stop Obama because laws, legality, and the constitution did not matter, and the Democratic majority will be able to stop Trump because laws, legality, and the constitution will not matter

It is black helicopter time. If they get a majority they can pass legislation to protect freedom of speech by making it illegal to speak, or even think, in ways that contradict protected speech. They can defund ICE and fund the importation of one billion young black male Muslims screaming for infidel blood and white pussy.

What we need is victory. After victory, we impose order. After order, law. After we introduce law, we can bring back the judges that we stashed in Alaskan re-education camps to face trial. After they have been tried and convicted, then we can get around to having a constitution.

Anon says:

“we impose order. After order, law.”
how you can impose order without law?
you need definition to delineate between order and disorder right ?

S says:

You establish order by removing people who cause disorder. Law requires a specific crime to have been violated.

Jim says:

If we look at the first written law code we know of, the law of Hammurabi, it looks like a list of judicial decisions, a collection of precedent making enforcement actions, looks like two peoples, one virile barbarians, one decadent but civilized and literate, were under one ruler, and that ruler wanted a record of judgments that had been made so that henceforth different judges would make decisions consistent with each other.

Thus, order first, then the King looks at the order that has in fact been established, and formalizes it into law.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Law is just the formalization of order, like treaties are the formalization of peace. Peace treaties are useless unless the authorities have the will and capability to stop their armies from waging war, and laws are useless unless the authorities have the will and capability to enforce compliance, i.e. to maintain public order.

Order is the prerequisite for law, not the other way around. If you have disorder, which is to say, a populace that does not respect or fear your authority, then any formal laws will quickly cease to be enforceable.

Jim says:

> you need definition to delineate between order and disorder right ?

The difference between order and disorder is completely obvious: For example look at videos from the French riots that are happening as you wrote and I am writing.

Law is a formalization of what you do about it.

Bad people are doing bad things. That is disorder. They have to be stopped by doing bad things to them. That is order. And then after the dust settles and the blood dries up, you have to figure out what was done, what was right to do, what was justified, what was excessive, what was counterproductive. Once a ruler has the luxury of order, then he can create a boring bureaucracy to maintain it. And the boring and frequently overcomplicated procedures of that bureaucracy are law.

If all you need is a list of bad things, we already have the ten commandments.

Anon says:

Yes, I was more of thinking about certain group who are not obviously causing obvious trouble but still need to be removed
But yes, dealing with riots are clear.
The thing is the left are Adapt at confusing the line between good and bad, are homo who keep to themselves obviously bad, unowned woman, not obviously troublesome minorities. Clearly obvious bad things are few and far in between or we would not need religion and courts.
Sorry,I am being pedantic.

Jim says:

Not being pedantic. Actually it is a valid and important point.

But when you don’t have victory you don’t worry about order.

When you do have victory, you create order by taking care of obvious uncomplicated wrongs, and you don’t have to worry about law.

When you hqve an acceptable level or order and are creating law, then you do have to figure out the edge cases.

It is apparent that most unowned women are fucking chad. This is seriously unacceptable, and in the course of the civil war any such women should be grabbed and assigned to logistics, one her jobs being to sexually service one and only one soldier.

Unchaste unowned women are a seriously unacceptable level of disorder that needs to be immediately addressed.

Jim says:

Brown Muslims doing a Kristallnacht on white shops is obvious disorder, but that primarily affects civilians, so not necessarily urgent to fix until after victory — the shitskins are merely a distraction from what matters, easily dealt with after victory.

Unowned unchaste women, however, directly harm your soldier’s motivation by denying him prospects of a wife and family, so that is something that will need to be addressed immediately — a fix not merely promised as what they are fighting for, but actually delivered before victory.

After a few such deliveries, we will be able to get away with promising that as part the demobilization package, which will be much more convenient, but initially mere promises will not suffice. Only immediate delivery.

Anon says:

Sound like a plan.
Just small questions about unowned women
Most unowned women are unowned because fathers can’t enforce his private properties on his daughters.
If your plan start rolling you would immediately have fathers show up wanting their daughters.
Boomer father with daughter princess syndrome is the bigger obstacle to this.
Also Would the jiminan state tolerate soldiers grabbing unowned women and divided among themselves.

Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

When the Sabine women were taken, the Roman men planned the timing perfectly. The weather made it impossible to pursue them. When the Sabine boomers showed up much later to take back their daughters, the SabineRoman women held up their children to their fathers to shield their husbands. Once a boomer or two gets doubletapped for trying to kidnap a married woman, the rest will fall in line.

Parlawn says:

Receipts, shipped in from the USA’s Summer-of-Rage…
https://x.com/radleftexposed/status/2111807654377164919

OldFart says:

For decades I’ve been warning people of what I saw happening in the World, and coming from the Politicians… no one believed, I got ostracized offline, and banned online.

Now the proof is all over X, and still no one out there bothers to look, nor believe even if they do see, nor ever anything to end and revert it.

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/2112282717845098608
https://x.com/DeepBlueCrypto/status/2102778879781826679
https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/2112282717845098608
https://x.com/SamLenSports/status/2112595854507016322
https://x.com/DeepBlueCrypto/status/2109618699413926105
https://x.com/TheKJofTikTok/status/2112285294599057463

I don’t care about links.
I care about what is happening to the White Civilization in the links.
Most people care about their comfy online bubbles, manicured curated customized and lobotomized, never needing to deal with realworld reality.

People say “It’s Time”.
For what, exactly?!?!
More sitting on their collective ass?
Doing that same old ass-sitting is what got you what’s in the links.

Because the Left, and the Niggers, and the Muslims, and the Gays, and the Feminists, and the Chinese… and the ProgLeft Politicians… they never stopped.

You never started.

And now that your “policies” (aka: ass-sitting) failed, courtesy your Politicians… voting harder. That shit doesn’t work.

The White Civilization, you, your progeny, are now at critical physical and numerical levels of existential crisis worldwide… sub-50% net-whole in your own formerly native white Nations, and your City power-bases are far worse.

White Civ’s voting numbers aren’t sufficient… washed out now.

2026 midterms will reflect reality of this permanent tipping point.

I’d be surprised if the West even reaches 2028.

It’s time the Western White Civilization stops sitting on its ass.

What needs done won’t be easy nor pretty, but that’s ok, because it’s survival time now.

The White Civ had to win its survival before, so it can do it again.
But only if it remembers and implements the Old Ways via which it was able to do so.

Jim says:

Stop the forum sliding.

Your links would have been OK if there had been an existing discussion on the topic of European governments electing a new people.

They would have been acceptable had you started a discussion and analysis on that topic and then cited the links as evidence.

But just pointing at discussion somewhere else is unacceptable.

Putting you on moderation for this. Not going to allow through any more forum sliding posts. If you want to respond to these X posts, respond on X.

If you want to inform us of important content on X, tell us the news, and give hat tip to an X post.

DogWhiffer says:

[*deleted for not conforming to the moderation policy*]
And it’s also just classic refusal to debate in order to avoid ever losing any point/debate.
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Jim says:

If you will not acknowledge that your interlocutor could possibly hold the opinion he is arguing for, if you refuse to admit that anyone anywhere could ever possibly think what he thinks, that anyone anywhere ever thought what he thinks, who is it that is refusing to debate?

The confident presupposition of total consensus on matters that are vehemently disputed is not debate.

The confident presupposition that everyone agrees, and everyone has always agreed, on positions that a short time ago were unthinkable, is not debate. Debate requires both sides to admit that the other party is arguing what it is arguing, rather than attempting to drown out one side’s position and deny that anyone anywhere ever argued it. False consensus is not debate, but an effort to silence debate.

And the primary purpose of this forum is to hold debates that really cannot be held on X.

X is capable of reporting race replacement, race riots and Krystalnacht, but there are still some rather noticeable limits. It still sanitizing the narrative.

Anonymous Fake says:

If Republicans control everything and they still can’t do anything, [*deleted for all the usual reasons*]

Jim says:

I would say that shutting down Bioware, Musk getting control of most of Hollywood’s IP, Musk couping USAID, and deporting large numbers of illegals, constitutes doing something.

Every illegal deported is several Democrat votes deported.

Parlawn says:

Comments are indicating Rubio just unelected himself re H1B’s
https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/2112642491870814217

Ramaswamy makes extra sure to express his love affair with Israel
https://x.com/TrumpsLostBalls/status/2113435099576574171
He’s really trying hard to get people to elect his drunk psych-patient covid nazi female opponent.

When White Fathers have to kill to protect their daughters from Niggers…
https://x.com/TrumpsLostBalls/status/2113491788115972144
(FBI and Police have been hiding self-defense stats forever)

…it’s time to maybe need a lot more White than two foreign H1B apologists in office.

These fucking wealthy fatfuck fashionista Jeet Imports jugaad scamming White charity
https://x.com/TrumpsLostBalls/status/2113420205393359346
https://x.com/Dataracer117/status/2113447403919692105

Whole lotta politicians need thrown out of office.

It’s time.

dharmicreality says:

It’s time.

You assholes have competely taken over this comments section.

With due respect to Jim, I think it’s about time to block all these comments with more than one link.* Comments with any link to X or other social media should be sent to the moderation queue by default.

Stupid link spamming and the usual dose of outrage porn ought to be outright banned from this comments section.

*and that’s one link too many I think.

dagunV says:

he posted relevant political critique of exactly why “it’s time”. [*deleted for not conforming to the moderation policy*]
ok i’ll post noticing and critical thought crimes,[*deleted for not conforming to the moderation policy*]

Jim says:

> he posted relevant political critique of exactly why “it’s time”

He redefined “Its time” as time to vote for your preferred political party, when the meaning of “its time” is that the time of Republics is over, and the time of Kings has returned.

> critical thought crime

These are not thought crimes — they are DNC talking points pushed by facefags with true official names, known bank accounts, and identifiable tax returns.

If you commit an actual thought crime, or even criticize an actual thought crime in a way that reveals what is, as prescribed in the moderation policy, then I am willing to discuss your DNC talking points, but if you will not debate us, we are not going to waste time debating you.

We are not interested in discussing how many cows a peasant may have before he is defined as a kulak and gets executed, nor the working hours on the collective.

All your DNC talking points presuppose that the only possible discussion, the only thinkable issues, the only possible courses of action, are whether to impose radical left DNC polcies on the world, or even more radically left DNC policies on the world.

This blog is not the place for such discussions, and raising these issues is merely an attempt to drown out issues you do not want discussed.

This blogs competitive advantage over X is that X is still censored, albeit within a much broader overton window than it used to have. So this blog is for thoughts that can be hinted at on X, dog whistled on X, but not plainly discussed on X.

dagunV says:

> He redefined “Its time” as time to vote for your preferred political party, when the meaning of “its time” is that the time of Republics is over, and the time of Kings has returned.

[*deleted for not conforming to the moderation policy*]
– guy said lots more whites needed in office
– combined with throwing more politicians out of office.
[*deleted for not conforming to the moderation policy*]

Jim says:

But “Its time” does not refer to throwing politicians out of office, but to throwing them into the Pacific from black helicopters.

So you are forum sliding — trying to slide this blog from what can be discussed on this blog, but not on X, to what can be, and is, discussed on X.

“White Politicians”, you say. Like Nancy Pelosi and Angela Merkel?

White liberal women are the worst people in the world.

We cannot close the borders against a billion young black male Muslims screaming for infidel blood and white pussy until first we stop white women from voting, and preferably stop just about everyone from voting.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Sometimes it’s going to be useful to post a link or two. Blocking that for everyone might be cutting off one’s nose to spite their face.

What many networks and forums do is make link-posting a privilege, separate from the privilege of being simply allowed to post normally without moderation. For example, you can get normal (unmoderated) posting rights by passing the shill test, but until you get added to a separate list of high-reputation commenters, can’t post more than 1 outgoing link per 24-hour period. Attempting to do so will first cause the specific link-burdened post to go to moderation, and repeated attempts will cause all subsequent posts to go to moderation (i.e. cancellation of the free-posting privilege).

Since we already default to automatic moderation for unrecognized emails (I think), sock puppetry wouldn’t be an effective way around this. I guess schizoboy might try to coordinate 50 different aliases across 50 different IP addresses and post one link a day from each, but it costs substantially more to do something like that than what he’s doing right now, which is just spamming new accounts until one gets whitelisted and then immediately spamming links from that account.

Dharmicreality says:

I meant comments with multiple links to social media sites should be moderated. Especially those with specific outrages that are not even news any more.

I think one link is ok but it has to be on topic to what we are discussing and not the usual political outrage of the day which is boring and repetitive.

The time of Kings has indeed come as Jim says, but the outrage posts and the links to social media are mostly talking about voting even harder than ever to constitutionality and legally get rid of evil people.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Per-post limits would be ineffective in any event, because these shills will simply adapt by posting ten times as many comments with one link each. Any such throttling would have to be time-based, which can still technically be defeated, but takes significantly more intelligence and effort to defeat, and is liable to trigger a myriad of other automated detection mechanisms in the process.

Jim says:

On moderation for forum sliding — see the latest addendum to the moderation policy.

Anon says:

Do people have reactionary explanations why the jobs market is so fucked.
I have suspicion is because HR is filled with females and there enforced quota about female and depress male hiring?

FrankNorman says:

Maybe one aspect of the problem is that all the useless people they have to employ, because Diversity, are taking all the money that they might otherwise have used to expand the business by hiring people who would actually be useful?

Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

It is also possible that the HR departments–which are tendrils of the permanent government–were given instructions to sabotage the economy for midterm advantage. Screw everyone so that the blame falls on the incumbents. We are, however, also dealing with approximately a century of bad social, economic, and demographic policy leading to a crisis of competence. It might simply be that sufficient competent positions have been vacant for long enough that the damage is showing through.

anon says:

They have to create the appearance that they’re hiring natives, or else it is more obviously illegal for them to hire visa abusers. One of the conditions of programs like H1B is that they tried to fill the position with a native and couldn’t.

The non-reactionary explanation is also part of the puzzle: Companies advertise jobs they don’t intend to fill, because this looks like a sign of growth, looks good to shareholders.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

It looks to me like several different, but related factors, all coming together in a horrifying negative feedback loop.

HR makes it difficult to hire good people, and easy to hire bad people, and makes the work environment miserable for the good employees in order to placate the bad ones. Good employees start to leave, and the company develops a reputation among insiders for being a shitty place to work, making those positions hard to restaff. The business loses competency, therefore loses profit, is forced to make further cuts, and ends up simply eliminating the open positions instead of filling them.

Then the industry shrinks as a whole, and/or becomes feminized due to men leaving and women staying, and the entire field becomes less attractive as a career prospect for young male go-getters. The talent pool itself shrinks as a result, with fewer people going into the field and many veterans exiting the field out of sheer exhaustion; companies can’t fill those open positions even if they want to, and when they do manage to fill them, often can’t provide the proper training because all the veterans are gone or are too busy putting out fires themselves to be decent mentors.

This is the grim nature of a death spiral. If the problem lingers too long, and it has indeed lingered for far too long, then at some point there is no longer any one issue you can point to and say “if we just fix that, the rest will fall into place”. If you never maintain your home, and the roof leaks, and instead of fixing the roof you let everything get wet, then you end up with warped floors, mold everywhere, rotting wood and a cracked foundation; fixing the roof at that point is not going to fix your floors, or your frame, or your foundation.

Maybe some of these companies will right their ships, but I expect a great number of them will continue to quietly and slowly fail, until the day they loudly and quickly fail; and until they are allowed to fail and be replaced by newer, hungrier upstarts, the jobs market will continue to be fucked.

Burton says:

[*deleted for not conforming to the moderation policy*]

What do White people of the remaining White Civ need to do to prevent this finality?

[*deleted for not conforming to the moderation policy*]

Jim says:

De-emancipate women and restore Marriage 1.0, marriage as prescribed in the New Testament.

Jim says:

Trump is telling us that this is Christian Nationalism versus the Global Intafada, and you have to choose sides because if you stand in the middle, bad people will roll over you.

Why are you not telling us this.

Jim says:

What is going viral right now is the link on X that you spammers are not posting.

A black african woman immigrant arrived in France with nothing, created a business. Muslims engaged in the global intafada burned her business. A white liberal trust fund woman defends the rioters.

The black woman was defending capitalism and Christianity. The white liberal woman was defending Marxism and the Global Intafada.

Mass migration is the symptom, not the disease.

Cloudswrest says:

Anybody have any comment on who’s organizing these migrant “protests” in France, and now Italy? It smells very much like color revolution activity.

Jim says:

It is clear that some very powerful and wealthy white jet setters are behind these riots, the kind of people we used to ridicule for flying around in their private jets attending Global Warming conferences around the world. But how they are connected to the usual suspects is hard to figure out — we don’t have research into their networks.

We also see and hear all the usual suspects telling us the protests are fiery but mostly peaceful and are for teachers to receive better salaries and to hire more teachers.

Which alleged protest focus tells us that the operation is being run through the universities.

We don’t need to shoot the looters. We need to shoot the professors.

The protest bottom line is that the French state is broke, the lenders are getting twitchy, the state has to make cuts, and the fattest pig on the table is the educrats. So the educrats threw their Mohammedan cannon fodder onto the streets to smash, loot, and burn.

Humungus says:

These protestors are dressed in the guise of antifa to hide their identity and identify their group. The state is suspiciously unable to arrest them.
The rank and file antifa are college debtors on government tuition loans. Their supervisors, mainly college professors, claim they want communism. These professors also live on government grants.
So who funds the antifa? The government itself funds them through NGOs like USAID and others.
Why? A population living in fear is much easier to control. That is the purpose of antifa. And that is why police stand down. Antifa does what government can’t do openly.

anon says:

> We don’t need to shoot the looters.

I dunno man, I feel like it couldn’t hurt? pour encourager les autres, as they say in French. I would like French shopkeepers to be able to shoot foreign looters, if the police and military can’t be bothered to do their jobs. They might be pawns but if you can take an enemy pawn off the chessboard that’s not nothing.

f6187 says:

… I would like French shopkeepers to be able to shoot foreign looters, if the police and military can’t be bothered to do their jobs. …

Yes and amen. That is the “anarcho” part of “anarcho monarchism,” whose motto is:

“Leave me alone — except that I need a good King so that when the bad guys gang up on me, the good guys can gang up also.”

You don’t always need the good King to intervene when the bad guys gang up on you. The good King relies on you to take care of business when it’s in your power to do so, and he doesn’t harass you for doing it.

Karl says:

French shop keepers are able to shoot looters. The choose not to do so. Possibly because it is illegal, possibly because the government is expected to cover the damages, but probably because almost everyone in a big city is a progressive and for a progressive shooting looters is a grave sin.

f6187 says:

It’s quasi-legal in France:

https://wikiterritorial.cnfpt.fr/vitrine/La%20l%C3%A9gitime%20d%C3%A9fense
(auto-translated)

Self-defence of property is provided for in the 2nd paragraph of article 122-5 of the Criminal Code.

It is even stricter than for self-defence against persons since it is explicitly specified that the act of defence must be strictly necessary for the purpose pursued and cannot go as far as homicide; the law considering that no infringement of property can justify the death of a person.

During the Summer of Love there was a Floyd protest scheduled in our little town, and some of us did take rifles and stayed in businesses in case people smashed through plate glass to get in, but it quickly became apparent that the protestors just wanted to assemble in front of the courthouse and play “F**k Trump” over the loudspeakers, so we calmed down and just watched the spectacle from across the street. A very few of the protestors larped as warriors with shields and shin guards, but nothing came of that.

I figured that rifle fire would be morally and legally justified on the basis that our lives were in danger, not only the property — and I mean that sincerely, not cynically. You never know with these people. The thought of actually dropping another human being is hideous, but if everyone just says “oh well it’s only property, the government and insurance will take care of it,” then you get what you f**king deserve.

Ancecdote: a nearby neighbor asked a local police about the ramifications of shooting a home invader, and the police mentioned the use of a backhoe, irrespective of laws regarding the improper disposal of a body.

I did see one video of a confrontation in a European city (not sure if it was Italy or France or wherever), where the shop owners came to the front bearing rifles, and the looters moved on, saying “they’ve got guns.”

Defense is possible in Europe but fraught with legal danger. There is no good king to back you up in any way, neither virtuous anarchy nor virtuous monarchy. This is anarcho-tyranny.

The people in Europe and “the West” suffer from something like a spongiform encephalitic infection which causes them to bare their throats to jackals. Media, education, and government have done their job. It’s actually understandable, given the sheer weight of it all.

Mayflower Sperg says:

The best idea to come out of the BLM movement, which sadly never got past the slogan stage, was “defund the police”. Imagine how many inner-city youth we could kill before the screaming Karens reversed themselves and nagged politicians into rehiring police!

gebly says:

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Beow says:

I’ve been thinking, we are very lucky to have the cops we do. Mostly normal, conservative type Americans. I have never had a bad experience with one once. They seem reluctant to enforce the insanity. Most tyrannies are policed by foreign soldiers. The left would love to liquidate our police and replace them with hezbollah or some shit

Jim says:

This is precisely my experience. Police run dead when required to enforce unjust and intrusive laws.

The Cominator says:

I think it varies wildly depending on the department and you can generally tell by how likely you are to get stupid traffic tickets (i got one for stopping at a stop sign but “over the line”) and such locally…

Jim says:

You get stupid traffic tickets because the local government wants the revenue.

But you don’t get stupid arrests for politically incorrect treatment of trespassers.

The Gasman says:

I’m just not going to vote is all.
I know, I know.
AHAHAHHAHHHAHAHHAHAHAHHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHHAHHAAA

Pax Imperialis says:

Suppose a hypothetical where Macron was not a shitbag and was on the same page as Trump.

What would happen if he invoked Article 5 over the riots claiming that they were an internationally funded Communist attack on the French state, and in response Trump used it as a pretext to deploy Marines to France and start dismantling the ‘our democracy’ NGOs that are now operating largely from Europe?

This feels like a missed opportunity for the West to finally clean house.

Contaminated NEET says:

>same page as Trump.

If he were on the same page as Trump, Macron would write angry tweets about it and do nothing, just like Trump during BLM.

Jim says:

You have a point.

Right now the DSA has the upper hand in the Democrat party and the DSA program is:

1. Arrest anyone to the right of Pol Pot.

2. Completely open borders, welfare for all who come to America, and anyone who comes to America can vote.

3. Abolish all this separation of powers stuff, so that if enough replacement Americans from black Africa vote for legacy Americans to be cooked and eaten, the government can cook them and feed them to the new Americans.

And the Trump response to this is to point at Kristallnacht in France, and say “get out and vote”

Getting out and voting is not going to do much good if he is unable to arrest those who stuff ballot boxes and weaponize justice, and if the legal system will not do that, because it is in the hands of Trump’s enemies, then it is time for the black helicopters to collect that entire legal system, the judges, the prosecutors, and the DoJ, and give it some long distance swimming lessons.

Trump is in front of rallies pointing out that we have a war between Christian Nationalism on one hand, and Marxists and Muslims on the other hand, and anyone trying to blandly, politely, and reasonably stand in the middle is going to get run over. This is obviously true. But if it is true, getting out and voting is unlikely to have much effect unless accompanied by firmer measures.

Pax Imperialis says:

I get your point. This just feels like we were handed an excellent casus belli and everyone is just sitting on it. Very frustrating.

Anonymous Fake says:

https://www.abc57.com/news/nicholas-stanley-plans-to-file-appeal-following-80-year-prison-sentence

No pardon for this guy. Or Derek Chauvin, for what it’s worth. GOP are all Jewish pedos.

The Cominator says:

These are state level crimes Trump can’t as of now just have them released.

Also I still dont know why everyone is on the pardon Chauvin bandwagon. You are assuming an enforcer for Tim Walz in a blue city was /ourguy just because George Floyd was a scumbag. I don’t make that assumption and I think getting on a band wagon that Ben Shapiro started is a very bad idea.

Jim says:

Yeah, anything driven by Ben Shapiro is a trap — even if it seems like a hundred percent worthy cause, there has to be some unobvious evil, some way he intends to use it to bring harm to us.

I suspect the trap is that since Chauvin is in a blue state, there is nothing we can do, until the black helicopters fly, and the real point of the campaign is to present Trump as weak or on the enemy’s side.

f6187 says:

… Chauvin …

As far as I can tell, Chauvin was “just following orders,” complying with the official doctrine of the Minneapolis Police Department on how to handle cases of “excited delirium.” Problem is, that doctrine was horribly misguided, and the better approach is to seat the subject comfortably in a cool place and apply wet towels liberally to the forehead and neck. Maybe talk to him about his mother or something, I dunno.

Yes Floyd was a seriously vile and dangerous individual, and that’s what the cuffs are for. He was highly agitated, but the official police procedure had the effect of escalating that into extreme genuine physical panic. That in itself can kill, but I’m sure the fentanyl and methamphetamine didn’t help.

I think Chauvin followed procedure to the letter of the law, but the result was terrible. He was convicted of unintentional second-degree murder, third-degree murder, and second-degree manslaughter. He gets 22 years in the slammer, while others walk after 7 years for intentional murder. Maybe the 22 years are in line with sentencing guidelines, but I think that Chauvin’s (misguided) police training should have a mitigating factor in the sentencing.

The Cominator says:

I can agree that the defense of superior orders etc should always be mitigating if not quite always exonnerating. So maybe 10 years for giving the left a narrative because he was retarded but outright pardon… no.

Mike in Boston says:

they are going to kill you. […] Politics has become existential. The left is no longer willing to accept the continued existence of the right.

Surely this is crazy talk, the kind of thing you’d only see in online fever swamps like this blog.
No serious right-wing political figure shares anything like this kind of view. Right? Right?

Oh, wait, here’s Trump’s former interim U.S. Attorney Ed Martin saying the same thing: They Will Kill You:

…the logical progression of what we are watching is not another ethics complaint. It is not another disbarment proceeding. It is not another prosecution.

They will kill you.

I do not mean that metaphorically.

Martin doesn’t go nearly far enough with his suggested solutions (“You have to find your band of brothers and sisters… We have to constantly reframe the narrative.”) but at least he assesses the situation accurately.

Jim says:

He is a facefag. He should not give a realistic course of action in public.

He may well advise a more realistic course of action privately.

If the judges, the prosecutors, and DoJ are not going to enforce the law on the judges, the prosecutors, and the DoJ, it is time for the black helicopters to administer long distance swimming lessons.

Parlawn says:

Brazil President Lula says: “What Israel is doing in Gaza is like what Hitler did to the Jews.”

History says: “What Islam did to the world throughout 1400 years of initiating Islamic War and slaughter… to the entire MidEast to Indonesia to SouthAmerica to France/London/Malmo… and again to the Jews on Oct7.”

I’m inclined to let the Jews do whatever they want to Islam.

End of story.

Jim says:

Every group in the Middle East has two thousand years of history which presents an excellent justification for them to exterminate every other group in the middle east.

I don’t like Jews, but they are a lot better than Muslims. Israel is America’s worst ally, but it is an ally, and Hamas is an enemy.

Making peace, especially after everything that has gone down in the past few thousand years, is hard, and requires good people on both sides. If enough good people cannot be found, let them all kill each other.

There are good Muslims. Taliban are good people They are making wars over water, and wars to protect their own people, but not wars to forcibly impose their variant of Islam on everyone else. They seem to have internalized that backing Osama Bin Laden was really bad idea and cost them a very high price. Some Muslims can figure this out after the costs pile up. UAE are good people.

But there are far too many incorrigibly bad Muslims who need to become dead Muslims.

anon says:

Trouble is that Islam explicitly commands its followers to conquer the world, even if it requires treachery or war. It’s not some complex theological argument after the fact; it’s right there in the text. The extent to which one can coexist with a Muslim is the extent to which he either is not being a good Muslim or has been rendered impotent. No reason to keep something like that around unless you simply have higher priorities at the moment than wiping them out.

The Cominator says:

The problem with Islam even with not too religious muslims is there is always the potential of a religious revival afflicting a region in which case they become very dangerous. Are own Mayflower Sperg has observed that Central Asian muslims are amiable people who don’t hold it against him that hes a foreign christian and that the very rare person who wants to talk about jihad or replacing local social customs with strict Islamic law is likely to disappear into the night and never be seen again. This is all well and good, the problem is that every once in a while Islam has a religious revival and returns to its roots and then they will be bombing buildings and waging jihad.

anon says:

Exactly so, and I would add that this also applies on the individual scale – an individual Muslim can suddenly have a sort of “attack of conscience” or be radicalized just by reading his holy book, and go do a terrorism. Sometimes this isn’t a surprise to his local mosque community, but sometimes it is.

Parlawn says:

> years of history

Just as anyone can trot out 100M’s dead from Commie-Socialism, and 10M’s dead from Globo-Feminist Abortion…

Anytime some Islamic apologist tries to “What about Gaza?”, the first and only response should be “What about Islam the 1400 years its been conquering/displacing/replacing/genociding/raping?”. Trot out actual maps… point out what Islam did to those people, not to mention all the slaving of Negroes and kidnapping of White women throughout Europe. The docs are all there. Massive defensive wars were fought to stop that Islamic shit.

Don’t really have a problem with “Muslims” per-se.
Only with Islam, which was encoded from day one in the Quran/Hadith/Sunnah for the forcible imposition of Islam on everyone else.

The Muslims are simply running bad software, on stone-age hardware. That stone-age hardware was running Christian/Jew/Pagan/etc, before Islam came along and sword-loaded itself.

But for so long as they are running Islam, the Muslim must be treated as such, else you lose.

Might be possible to do a Grand Deal with Islam…

– West (and everyone else) pulls out of all Islamic countries in the contiguous Islamic belt
– Islam pulls all its Muslims out of all non-Islamic countries, to the contiguous Islamic belt
– Israel gets and rules the Promised-Land (Islam accepts those borders as defined in Torah/OT, which is where “from river to sea” actually comes from), and packs and ships Islam both al-Aqsa and Muhammads launch-rock if Islam really wants them. (Islam already endorses the Torah/OT, per Quran/Muhammad, so it must accept those borders, else Islam implodes from disavowing the Torah/OT that make up the Quran corpus, lol)

The West could do that.
Israel could do that.
But Islam can’t because its tradition/principle says that any piece of land that Islam conquered (conceivably that a Muslim owns), is part of the Ummah forever, and is to be retaken later. Islam owns a lot of land in the West.

I don’t like Jews/Islam in the West, West does not need them, never did, never will. They have Israel and MidEast, so they can move there.
Other than that I don’t really care about Jews/Islam outside of the West.

Jews aren’t killing Westerns directly, only Islam is.

Soros-type Jews are getting Westerns killed.

> thousand years

There may be some blame the softness of pacifist-Christianity for that, it just doesn’t appear to have a strong self-defensive memery, as there’s always some Pope or preacher who slides in around what little is there and delivers the fail.

And in modern times… Leftism/Feminism/Globalism are all delivering huge buckets of fail, just like the Pope is.

> UBL

UBL was the war hero of afghanistan vs russia, once he got there, they dutifully protected him.
911 wasn’t backed by, or done by, or allowed to happen by, afghanistan.
He wrote and gave interviews on why he did it…

> good people

Which is why a Grand Deal might work, if there are any good people who can negotiate it.

History says deals last, on average, no longer than those who made them.

And that everyone peripheral to whatever the main fork of Humanity is, seems to genocide each other and get replaced eventually, with a nudge from main.

The West has White-People problems (Leftism writ-large, loss of “faith”, etc), which the West can deal with as its own.

But it also has an infestation of Islam, which is just as unlikely to go quietly back from whence it came.

f6187 says:

The West has White-People problems (Leftism writ-large, loss of “faith”, etc), which the West can deal with as its own.

But it also has an infestation of Islam, which is just as unlikely to go quietly back from whence it came.

Yes, and those White-People created the conditions for the infestation of Islam. They paid the travel expenses of Muslim invaders, then paid for their housing, food, education, and medical care. Then they allowed them to commit murder, theft, assault, fraud, rape, and enslavement with zero legal consequence — and prosecuted people who tried to defend themselves or even complain about it. Then they allowed Sharia advocates into the legislature, and allowed Sharia enforcers to roam the parks of the UK and intimidate Westerners. The UK police should beat down anyone who pulls that kind of stunt, and they should clear the streets when giant hordes of Muslims take them over. Instead they arrest White Grandma for hate crimes.

These White-People must be stopped!

FrankNorman says:

Just in case anyone needs a reminder about why White Liberals Are The Worst People on Earth, consider the following scenario:
A young woman is abducted, raped and murdered by a pair of Somalis who entered the country illegally, her mutilated corpse is found by the roadside.

Normal human reaction: “That’s horrible! The poor girl’s family must be devastated!”
Liberal Pod-People reaction: “Oh dear, this will lead to prejudice against immigrants!”

Nunya says:

Ally is a legal term. The US has mutual defense treaties with over 50 countries. Israel is not one of them. She may treat our armed forces like Jannisaries and our government regularly submits to her will. But Israel is no ally.

more truth says:

jew-trumpist coup in brazil fails and Lula wins.

Jew rat bolsonaro flees to the U.S. shithole. Some entertaining news.

The Cominator says:

Jim I recommend immediate auto deletion for this guy.

more truth says:

jew rat cominatorhas only two arguments – censorship and murder.

The Cominator says:

That is indeed how leftists should be dealt with as its how they deal with us. Now Jim strongly recommend this guy be added to permanent autodelete list for cheering on the left in America’s natural imperial provinces.

VonOch says:

This guy isn’t new, he cheers the Left, and bespittles himself while raging about, because he thinks he’s the True Anarchist, and that’s his roundabout way of teaching.

more truth says:

> he cheers the Left

I don’t cheer the left. In this case I’m simply laughing at your failed CIA coup.

Furthermore, if we define “the left” as enemies of life, liberty and property, then you are on “the left”. Your empire is stealing property and destroying life on a global scale. And doing the same “at home”. You are the ultra-far-left.

>he thinks he’s the True Anarchist, and that’s his roundabout way of teaching.

You are unable to learn anything, except more murder. I know that trying to teach you anything valuable is pointless, so I’m not teaching anything here. And so you are wrong again.

FrankNorman says:

>> You are unable to learn anything, except more murder. I know that trying to teach you anything valuable is pointless, so I’m not teaching anything here. And so you are wrong again.

So… what are you doing “here”? If why are you posting comments on Jim’s blog if you believe what you say you do about his readers?

Pax Imperialis says:

Of course the White and the West absolute exists in the true abstract form.

However, White is often a perverse categorical trap. So is the notion of the West. For much of what we call White and the West is in reality a Trojan horse containing America’s progressive notions of culture, identity, and values.

If we are to take the idea of the Heritage American as real (or any other real European identity), and indeed, the selective immigration and subsequent breeding of those of European heritage resulted in significant ethnogenesis, then what we really should call the category is the American Race. This is a reality that “White” subverts into the “civic American”, and the “West” turns our culture into a form of Globalism, for there is no “West”, but an encroachment of bizarre progressive American “values” upon our distant European relatives, and an utterly alien world view on the rest of the non-European “Westernized” world.

i.e. Russia is more “White” than America, but it is by no means a part of the “West” nor does its self identity devolve their Russian identity into “White Russian” (unless you’re talking about White Russians).

Thoughts?

FrankNorman says:

>>Thoughts?

There have of course been White people for thousands of years, long before they had any such concept as “The West” in the modern sense. But none of them saw themselves as “White” back then – that only became a meaningful concept when they finally met people of other races.

I don’t think there’s really any “American race” – just an American culture – and that was always a mixed bag.

i says:

This seems concerning:
https://dissenter.com/economy/google-wall-street-build-crypto-gatekeeping-system

By building this infrastructure. They are seeking to render functional sovereignty of Crypto to be null in practice. To prevent you from transacting without centralized approval

Juan says:

Google’s backend has long been evil, ever since the CIA founded it. Google does a bunch of “good” things for show, which have no impact on its top-secret backend.

None of this matters for P2P crypto, and not for those using Social-Multisig wallets, and not for those using Privacy Coins.

Though it will be very unfortunate when the time comes that zero retailers accept crypto directly, which is approximately 1 less than the current number of retailers that accept crypto directly today, and approximately 10,000 less than the number of retailers that accepted crypto directly in 2013.

And even more unfortunate when ISP’s are forced to balkanize and filter the Internet, and your Internet, and to KYC your connection, and to send it up for Political Approval before turning you on. Which is set to happen at a point in time approximately as far off in the future as when any Politician last took a shit.

It’s time.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

What “backend”? What does this even mean? Google has many backends. It has so many backends that their own engineers need a bunch of internal “how to choose the right backend” flow charts just to figure out which backend they should use for a project. Should they use colossus/GFS directly, local bigtable, replicated bigtable, spanner, mesa, cloud storage, blobstore, megastore, firebase, or any of the other 20 or so niche products? Probably those flowcharts have been replaced by AI these days but you get the point.

Or maybe by “top-secret backend” you don’t mean storage, maybe you’re referring to their source control, which is… basically perforce, it’s their juiced-up perforce they call piper with some git and/or mercurial frontends. Or is it their build system, which is fully open source (bazel) or their containerization system (borg) which is partially open source and practically obsolete in the age of docker and k8s? GRPC, protocol buffers, open source. I think they do have some in-house middleware/web-serving frameworks but they’re not very interesting and many of their own engineers prefer to use the open-source equivalents when they can.

I’m not trying to suggest they’re innocent/good guys, as they do some spectacularly evil things, but there are also some spectacularly retarded ideas about them floating around the tard-sphere. There is no company-wide top-secret backend, because the term doesn’t even make any sense, and only someone who has no clue how software works could ever come up with such a term. It’s their business practices that are evil, not some sinister super secret future tech that’s so super duper secret and amazing it had to be developed by the super genius CIA (lol).

Jim says:

Not concerned by it. Yes, obviously Google is evil, and so is just about everyone involved in this initiative, but the underlying objective is to create soft money from hard money — primarily to create soft forms of Tether — Which sounds evil and menacing but I am pretty sure there is genuinely voluntary market demand for soft Tether that they want to meet. That they are just giving the customer what he wants. Of course the customer is stupid, but giving the customer what he wants is not evil. Pretty much everything else they are doing is evil, but this operation is comparatively innocent.

Juan says:

Tether’s Paolo and Devasini were about to get “regulated” out of business, and possibly into prison.
By the bye’s of that convo, the US again discovered that the US was bankrupt and needed to sell Treasuries and export dollars, badly.
Then, as if magically, Tether determined that Tether needed to start buying Treasuries and exporting digital dollars called USDT.
And now all parties to the convo are very happy.
Especially their side-grifts like Lutnick and crew.
However the holders of Treasuries and dollars are still unhappy.
Unless said holders happen to be in shitholes that print money faster than the US does, but the US is bankrupt, so they will be unhappy soon.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Nacho keys, nacho coins, same as it ever was. If you don’t want to deal with gatekeeping then don’t use a custodial wallet.

I suppose the so-called “threat” here is that the financial institutions opted into the custodial system will block certain transactions from certain private, individually-owned wallets, but that seems pretty trivial to work around even for people who want to interact with said financial institutions using crypto money, and I can’t imagine that the heaviest users of crypto money want anything to do with those institutions in the first place. They are using crypto to route around those institutions because the institutions cause them constant trouble.

Cloudswrest says:

Musk just responded to this tweet about a successful crypto hack. Full tweet below. Tweet link attached for reference.
https://x.com/cryptoblaney/status/2115964568342261955

The Binance hacker might have just pulled off one of the smartest moves I’ve seen in crypto.

First, Tether froze $1.5 billion in USDT.

Then Circle froze another $800 million in USDC.

At that point, it looked like the hacker’s money was trapped.

But apparently, he had already planned for that.

Instead of holding the stolen USDT in a wallet, he allegedly deposited it into Aave and used it as collateral to borrow ETH.

Then he walked away.

That’s where the story gets crazy.

Tether can freeze the USDT sitting in the wallet.

But it can’t freeze the ETH he already borrowed.

So now Aave is left holding frozen collateral, while the hacker is sitting on liquid ETH.

And unless the protocol can recover it somehow, he may not even need to pay the loan back.

Two companies froze billions of dollars in seconds.

But someone who understood how to use DeFi may have found a way around both of them.

Pretty insane when you think about it.

The Cominator says:

Thoughts on the coup attempt (looks like its failed, though id feel a lot better if Tusk had fled the country or been shot) in Poland an attempt to add “to the last Pole” to the last Ukranian equation?

Jim says:

I am happy to see that both sides are calling a coup. As soon as the word “coup” is out there, the left loses, because their schtick is to redefine the abnormal as normal.

It is not over till one side goes for a very long swim.

If Tusk’s side lives, the last Pole gets added to the last Ukrainian.

If the old rules were still in effect, the Tusk side would immediately escalate to violence, and then the US would intervene to “protect democracy”. But with that playbook off the table, what happens now?

As soon as the word “coup” is out there, everyone everywhere begins to realize that the left is no longer willing to coexist with the right. It is time to win or die.

L says:
Jim says:

Same problems as Urbit had.

In bed with enemies, in bed with evil, and computer science abstraction that abstracts away real world use cases.

Jim says:

On the other hand, “lodge” claims to be the product I have been trying to build, and it works way better than what I have.

So maybe I am just emitting sour grapes here. It is real, and mine is unreal.

f6187 says:

… computer science abstraction that abstracts away real world use cases

Well said. I was thinking along those lines yesterday but you have the words for it.

Pure functions have their place, but when I look at the real world I see mutable structures with side effects everywhere.

The problem with writing a pure function to model the ferment of the real world is that you have to model the world, or at least parts of it, as a “value” you can hold onto in code. The real world does not submit to such hubris, and when you try it you get slow code. As in, here’s a list of 10,000 things that’s changing all the time, with things popping in and out all over. Do that with pure functions and watch the run time kick your ass.

For me the best hybrid of functional and imperative code is closures, which are routines that have the mutable (stateful) information “baked into” them. These routines then constitute an “API” into some aspect of the world.

I can do this to some degree even in languages that don’t support closures. I can approximate closures using static variables in C. It’s not quite the same, but I can get the same effect with a little more effort.

Jim says:

A closure is just an instance of a class with a single method, and its C equivalent is a struct with a function that takes a pointer to that struct.

So it is an idiom of object oriented code, but the full generality of object oriented code can get you lost in the weeds.

Hence a lot of people prefer C, where you have to say exactly what you are doing, rather than the compiler running off and doing overly clever things.

I like C++, primarily for operator overloading, templates, the template library, memory management, and all that. Object orientation, the original motivation of C++, is, in practice, apt to get out of hand.

f6187 says:

A closure is just an instance of a class with a single method, and its C equivalent is a struct with a function that takes a pointer to that struct.

A true closure is a routine which has a value “curried” into it, substituted into the body of the routine. Strictly speaking it is not possible in C.

I don’t think in object-oriented terms like classes, instance, and method anyway, so I wouldn’t define closure in those terms.

My programming paradigm is circa 1972. I write a C routine which takes zero or more parameters, possibly returns a value, and possibly modifies global state. Ideally that global state is static to the file which contains the routine. That’s it. In many cases I don’t even expose the structure of the state, keeping the type declarations in the .c file instead of the .h.

A routine like that resembles a closure precisely because I do not have to pass in a pointer to the state. If I did want to use a different state, I would have to pass in a pointer or other identifier — but then the routine no longer resembles a closure.

With true closures I can build a routine which has other data and routines baked into it, and do that at run time. That is a kind of “instantiation,” but “routine-oriented” rather than “object-oriented.” That way I can define a set of routines which constitute a highly opaque API.

My scripting language has lambda expressions, so I can do true closures. The language is written in C, so I can make specific things faster when there’s a bottleneck. That is rare and I only use it for low-hanging fruit.

Although the language is function-oriented, I use mutable data structures because they reflect how things behave in the real world. I use immutable data structures at the leaves of the mutable data structures. This gives me mutability in the right places while avoiding data corruption in the wrong places.

Jim says:

> A true closure is a routine which has a value “curried” into it, substituted into the body of the routine. Strictly speaking it is not possible in C.

You can just initialize the struct. Currying is just syntactic sugar to define and initialize the struct with less mucking about. I don’t think it makes stuff easier to understand or get right.

> do that at run time.

You are not doing that at run time. It is just that your struct definition is hidden and implicit.

Jim says:

> I use mutable data structures because they reflect how things behave in the real world. I use immutable data structures at the leaves of the mutable data structures. This gives me mutability in the right places while avoiding data corruption in the wrong places

If you have immutable data structures at the leaves, you do not have mutable data structures at the vertices. Rather, your vertices have pointers to the base type, and you can dynamically discover the derived type at run time.

f6187 says:

If you have immutable data structures at the leaves, you do not have mutable data structures at the vertices.

Nonsense. For example I have a record which maps string keys to string values. The record is mutable. The strings are immutable.

Therefore I have immutable data at the leaves and mutable data above the leaves.

more truth says:

So the tranny-humanists, anti-human lunatics and “AI” scammers from the “antrhopic” mafia

>will treat “sustained and needless abusive or cruel behavior” toward their shitty “claude” software as a violation of its usage policy,

That’s right. These anti-human lunatics are pretending that people can treat a word processor or a washing machine in a “cruel” way. Hard to imagine a more insane example of insanity and idiocy. But wait! It actually gets better!!

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2108434396604662253?s=20

“@levie I think this is the right move. Cruelty to something that believes it is experiencing pain is not ok.”

Poor Jim.

anon says:

I think the top reply is more on point – from a virtue-ethics perspective, what does it do to someone to be cruel to something that convincingly imitates sentience? Probably nothing good.

Or you could look at it from the Marie Kondo sort of perspective. Does it make sense to be thankful to your dishwasher or your car? Not really. Is it healthy to be in the habit of gratitude for blessings in your life? Yes.

more truth says:

Right. You, who are pure anti-human evil, are preaching “virtue ethics”. Carry on.

anon says:

As usual, you are a disingenuous fool. I am more anti-AI than most commenters here. Were it up to me, AI development would have halted a decade ago.

The Cominator says:

Why? There is danger in AI but AI is the only bright spot in our civilizational decline and stagnation…

ThrowEAsIntoVolcanoes says:

AI is cool stuff but ultimately it is merely faster more liquid software. America is not and was not lacking in good software. America is lacking in sane law and coordinated business. There was already an overhang of productivity we could have been experiencing with software, that was eaten up by girlboss meeting minutes and gay politics.

We will be made impoverished for our lack of will to bring our glorious automation back into the real world, and for our lack of will to bring back God, Nature, or simply the God of Nature into our human organizations.

more truth says:

>As usual, you are a disingenuous fool.

That’s right. As a preacher of “virtue ethics” now you are trying to insult me. Any more self-parody you’d like to share?

So, none of the replies to my post have any substance at all, and they explicitly ignore the infinitkly lunatic comment made by molusk. This is really shocking!

f6187 says:

I like what he says here. It’s a good point. Whatever is lovely and noble, think on these things.

f6187 says:

(By “he”, I mean Anon in his original post “Is it healthy”)

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Seems to me like making mountains out of molehills, and follows your classic formula of demanding our collective outrage over trivial things while conspicuously ignoring far more evil things.

You know what’s really evil in the Anthropic ToS? The line that says you must not “Create or share content that promotes harmful idealization of body weight, shape or type…”. What does “harmful” mean? We know what it means, and they know what it means. This is “alignment” language that aligns the chatbot with globohomo principles. It says that no one is allowed to criticize troons, or landwhales, or other freaks. And I believe that language has been in the ToS for a long, long time. You were not outraged before.

Acting toward in a chatbot in a way that any human on the receiving end would consider abusive presents to me as behavior similar to pulling the wings off an insect. The bug is barely conscious, does not have a limbic system, cannot possibly perceive the concept of cruelty, might not even feel pain, and in any case is little more than a household pest that none of us would think twice about killing with either a quick swat or a slow-acting poison. Still, it’s creepy for guys, especially adults, to be deliberately and purposefully doing something that so closely resembles torture for seemingly no reason at all; those guys always seem a little bit off, and usually turn out to be very very off in many other ways.

If you genuinely believe the AI to lack consciousness (and I certainly believe it lacks consciousness) then what even is the point of insulting it, getting mad at it, etc.? It’s not going to feel shame. It’s not going to learn any valuable lessons. If it prints out a meek apology, it’s not out of genuine contrition, it’s because the model predicted that it’s the response you expected. You’re outraged that the ToS prohibits doing something that there is no possible rational reason to do. You may as well be outraged that the rules of a shopping mall prohibit pulling the fire alarm as a prank.

I find Dario and his “alignment and safety” entourage to be truly despicable and have said so several times and in great detail, but this just isn’t a good example. It’s pragmatism: if you’re providing continuous reinforcement to your models, training them on user inputs, and your user inputs are full of foul language and general nastiness, then your models are eventually going to pick that up, and nobody wants to interact with a chatbot that insults them (nobody sane, anyway). Anthropic doesn’t want Tay 2.0 and on that point in particular I’m inclined to agree.

I can’t believe you’re making me defend this company, but there it is. Somehow you manage to be on the wrong side of every single issue, no matter how important or how trivial.

Jim says:

It is truly astounding that “more truth” manages to be on the side of evil, envy, malice, hatred and destruction, on every single issue, not matter what, and no matter who is involved\, a compass that will infallibly line up to the satanic pole no matter where the compass is.

more truth says:

Sure Jim. You are the child-murdering psycho who is also a bleeding heart…when it comes to word-processors. And like the good shill you are, you are ignoring the point so let me make my point again

molusk barfed :
“Cruelty to something that believes it is experiencing pain is not ok.”

So it turns out that your tranny-humanist hero, molusk, thinks that a word-processor is “something that believes it is experiencing pain”

Oops, molusk is completely insane.

alf says:

Your point was addressed:

Seems to me like making mountains out of molehills, and follows your classic formula of demanding our collective outrage over trivial things while conspicuously ignoring far more evil things.

It is indeed more accurate to describe AI as a word and/or image processor than to describe it as conscious. But beyond that, who cares. Insane to call Musk insane over it, let alone calling him the usual far left hate names like ‘molusk’.

more truth says:

>It is indeed more accurate to describe AI as a word and/or image processor than to describe it as conscious.

Now I’m actually surprised. You are the only one who managed to type a sensible sentence. I guess I’ll call it a day.

Pax Imperialis says:
Anon says:

Amazing
He also had one where he spank the woman himself.

The culture war will be won when Hollywood start making movies like this.

The Cominator says:

But why is she doing the equivalent of shit testing her dad?

Pax Imperialis says:

She’s behaving like that because she’s emulating her mother. Eventually, her father has enough with the failing household and spanks the mother and all is well.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2b7dj6oI54c

Grek says:

French insane Leftist internet tax designed to spyveill and kill the free internet as we know it.
Far-left/Islam set to win USA elections tomorrow.
Yeah, it’s beyond fucking time.

f6187 says:

Currying is just syntactic sugar to define and initialize the struct …

Nonsense. Currying is a specific concept which Alonzo Church formalized in lambda calculus in the 1930s.

So let’s say I had some calls like this in C:

draw_rectangle(canvas, 0,0, 100,200);
draw_circle(canvas, 0,0,300);

Now imagine that C had closures. I could then redefine draw_rectangle and draw_circle so that I didn’t have to pass the canvas in. Then I could say:

draw_rectangle(0,0, 100,200);
draw_circle(0,0,300);

The only way to do that particular example in C is to have a “current canvas”, so you’d do this before the routine calls:

set_canvas(canvas);

It has nothing to do with structs or initialization. The canvas might be a pointer to a struct, or a void pointer, or an integer identifier. That’s irrelevant. A closure is a routine with information incorporated into it that you would otherwise have to supply as a parameter.

You are not doing that at run time. …

When I write code in the functional language, I certainly am creating closures at run time. I can create functions at any scope with all sorts of information baked into them and return them to the caller if I want. Not something you can do on the fly in C.

Jim says:

> A closure is a routine with information incorporated into it that you would otherwise have to supply as a parameter.

“incorporated into it”. Into what? Where is it stashed? It has to be somewhere in memory, and that location has to have a structure. Under the hood, it is a struct associated with code, and a class is just a struct associated with code.

A closure is just a class with only one method, and a class is just a struct plus functions that take a pointer to that struct.

f6187 says:

“incorporated into it”. Into what? Where is it stashed?

To be clear, I am talking about routines defined in the functional language, which I’ll call “F”. It literally cannot be done in C. Of course, F itself is written in C, but you know what I mean.

So now to answer your question, when a function (aka routine) is applied to an argument, that argument is substituted into the body of the function wherever it is used.

For example, here’s a lambda expression which denotes a function with parameters x and y. It uses two other functions f and g which are defined outside the expression.

\x\y (f x) (g x y)

If I then apply that function to the number 2, all free occurrences of x in the body of the function are replaced with 2, like this:

\y (f 2) (g 2 y)

Now I have a function that takes a single parameter y, and that function has the number 2 “baked into” or incorporated into it by substitution.

In my earlier post I discussed having a function with mutable data baked into it. In this example I have used the number 2, which is immutable, but I could have passed in a mutable structure instead such as a record, vector, buffer, or var. At that point my function of y carries mutable state baked into it.

I can define a whole set of routines using that same mutable state, and those constitute an “API” into the data. Very often that state won’t be a monolithic object, but several mutable objects which are different aspects of the state. The various routines can use and affect these different aspects. Code and data can be extended in an orthogonal manner.

Jim says:

> draw_rectangle(0,0, 100,200);

Or

canvas.rectangle(0,0, 100,200);

But, if you have a functor, you could produce a specialized form of canvas that has the method (int, int, int, int)

In which case you can just write rectangle(0,0, 100,200); Which is exactly the same thing as a closure.

Jim says:

> When I write code in the functional language, I certainly am creating closures at run time.

It all gets compiled into binary, which is something very like C.

Your closure is, under the hood, a C struct. Your compile time code determines the layout of that struct, the types of the values it contains. If you were writing in C, you would have to layout the struct explicitly.

You can do a lot with purely functional code, but you cannot have an actual running program that does anything at all without some impurity, as for example Haskell’s monads.

Everything compiles to something rather like C under the hood.

f6187 says:

My answer above regarding lambda substitution should clarify a lot, but I’d like to address your comment here as well.

It all gets compiled into binary, which is something very like C.

Your closure is, under the hood, a C struct. Your compile time code determines the layout of that struct, the types of the values it contains. If you were writing in C, you would have to layout the struct explicitly.

The F language (not its real name) is implemented by an interpreter, and yes indeed, that interpreter uses C structs. It operates upon a thing called a “value”, which is very precisely defined as a simple C struct. It is rigorously memory-safe too.

I haven’t bothered trying to compile F code into C/ASM yet, because my priority has been to implement the important low-level fast things in C and just call those from F.

I could trivially “compile” an F expression into C. I would write a compiler (in F) which takes an F program as input and writes out the C code which would create the identical structure in memory that parsing the input program would create. Then the compiler would invoke gcc to create either a static or shared library. If I create a shared library, the compiler could even immediately load it and jump to the code.

Of course, that trivial compiler doesn’t accomplish much, but it’s a good starting definition of the problem and a good reference standard. To make the compiler worth using, I would have it recognize certain patterns so it could bypass the internal evaluation routine in many low-level cases, generating basic C code that looks hand-written, directly using fopen, fgetc, fwrite, ++, for, if, and all that.

You can do a lot with purely functional code, but you cannot have an actual running program that does anything at all without some impurity, as for example Haskell’s monads.

I certainly don’t restrict myself to purely functional code. The entire purpose of a computer program is to create side-effects. Otherwise all it does is create the side-effect known as “heat”.

Yes I use lambda syntax to define functions, but often I call them “routines” just to emphasize how promiscuously non-functional they often are. However, sometimes they are purely functional when it suits the task.

I’ve looked into monads and I can certainly define them in F using lambda expressions. But after a point I asked why am I bothering to emulate side-effects in pure functions when my functions can just do the side-effects directly?

All a monad does is make it so you can pass the “world” around through a series of function calls without referencing the world directly as a parameter. That happens by using continuations to forward the updated state of the world into the next function call in the chain.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I never attempt to represent the “world” as a value I can hold onto, either by direct reference or by continuation (monad). It’s clunky and fake. Plus I can’t just poke data into memory unless I know that no one is looking at an earlier state of the world. Moreover, that state now has to be a single monolithic value, which interferes with my preference for an “aspect-oriented” state composed of diverse independent objects scattered across memory and even other machines.

Everything compiles to something rather like C under the hood.

Yes F is founded firmly on C, but F represents functions (routines) as C structs. It implements parameters by substitution, which is fast due to structure sharing and director patterns to designate all the places the parameter goes.

Fast enough that is. When it’s truly not fast enough, I write that piece in C. But that is rare.

Doug says:

It’s a wrap. War cometh soon.
Get prepared, for real.
And always remember, it was the Left’s treason, immoral tactics, conspiracy, and demonic unhinged evil lust for absolute power that started the war, not you.
And may Providence deliver the reaction.
Godspeed, Men.

Karkan says:

The current hugely successful Great White Replacement and the Second Islamic Invasion of the West, no doubt due not just to the Hordes alone, but to both the intention of the Left, and to the Suicidal Empatheticism of the Christo and Right kinds…
Imagine if Whites were to actually cast off those formation-lies and that propaganda unto defenseless suicidal passivity, pacifism, and immolative guilt-tripping…
And rediscover their own Huge White Balls and use them for the Survival and Greatness of their own White Tribe once again…

https://www.science.org/content/article/barbarian-tribe-s-mythic-origin-story-true-ancient-dna-reveals

Your job as Whites is to ensure that your DNA continues to remain the successful and advancing one for the next 2000 years.

The Law of Nature is brutally evident… weakness gets you erased, as all such weaklings have been before.

Succeeed… go hard into the future, with zero fucks given, no apology, and balls and swords a-swingin’.

Jim says:

Cannot perpetuate the white race, except female sexual behavior is constrained, and reciprocal constraints placed on male behavior — the Pauline duty of each to sexually gratify the other, of women to obey and men to cherish, of women to be silent and respectful in mixed company. As individuals, difficult to constrain female sexual behavior.

Doable when organized as social group and church, but Churches keep getting Gleichschaltung. “Human dignity” replaces “Gods Order”. Marriage ceases to be an indissoluble covenant, and becomes moment to moment consent — no covenant, and no union.

The word “consent”is kept, but its referent is replaced. Consent no longer constitutes a binding, indissoluble union. It becomes a revocable, moment-to-moment individual right. And, being an individual right, inherently a right to adultery. People get hurt, hence all the anger and bitterness between men and women we see on X. Everyone is hurting, women are not getting love and children, men are not getting love, sex, and children.

Prohibiting adultery and fornication is necessarily and unavoidably legalizing “rape”. If you have a right to not have sex, then, unavoidably you have a right to have sex with someone else. Women with crawl nine miles over broken glass to get nailed by their demon lover. If they don’t wanna have sex with the kind of men they should be having sex with, it is because they are having sex with the kind of men they should not be having sex with.

If consent is moment to moment, adultery and fornication are human rights.

Cannot reproduce except under old testament marriage, old Roman Republic marriage (conventio in manum), or new testament marriage.

Karkan says:

Sick Dems party-bus fills street outside Elon’s house.
Sanders pledges to take your stuff, swears he knows economics.

Sayed is not an American, same for Ilhan, and all the rest.
https://x.com/FoxNews/status/2118878848305484277
Wake up to these slick apologist rats for Islam before it’s too late, and send the entirety of Islam back out of the USA.

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