New phase of Ukraine war

For a long time, Russia has been attriting the Ukrainians across a long war of attrition front that barely moved.

It is still barely moving, but what is happening on that front is rapidly changing.

Russia has been pounding the Ukrainians with a lot more shells, rockets, and bombs, than the Ukrainians have been pounding the Russians. And there are more Russians than Ukrainians. So it was inevitable that the Ukrainians would run out of conscripts, before the Russians ran out of volunteers.

As a result, it is starting to look more like slaughter than war. If you are in a street fight where you are one against three opponents, you are going to take a pounding and the the three are going to take very little harm at all.

Ukrainian lines are undermanned, and rapidly becoming even less manned. So the Russians sneak through the line at one point, and create a Russian salient. Then they sneak through the lines at another point, and create another salient, and the two salients reach around trapping the Ukrainians in a cauldron.

It used to be that what little movement happened was one side pushing the other side backwards. Now it is the Russians trapping Ukrainian troops in killing fields. The Russians are moving forward, not to gain turf, but to prevent Ukrainian troops from moving backwards.

A couple of days before I wrote this, the Russians launched a salient towards the road that connects the Pokrovsk Myrnohrad agglomeration, a city substantially larger than Bakhmut. But the Ukrainians hung onto a village that makes it dangerous for the Russians to approach the road. So, two new salients looking like a rabbit`s ears. Now the village is surrounded on three sides, and the road leading into village on both sides, and the Ukrainians are pouring their remaining elite troops into the village.

So the troops go down a road being shot at from both sides of the road, then they take up positions into village that is rapidly ceasing to be a village and becoming a moonscape of shell craters and bomb craters, while being shot at and droned from three sides.

Because there are so few Ukrainian soldiers left, their remaining soldiers are forced to fight under circumstances that put them at severe disadvantage.

Pouring elite troops into the ruins of this tiny village is undoubted a sound tactic for avoiding losing the city in the middle of the Trump/Putin talks. It is a terrible tactic for winning a war of attrition.

This little village attracts attention because close to the major road to the Pokrovsk Myrnohrad agglomeration, but the same thing is happening in many many places along the front — a day or two before the rabbits ears formed, I saw a cauldron inside a cauldron inside a cauldron, and the outermost cauldron was still bleeding troops into the inner cauldron.

From the big retreat onwards, the Russians have been fighting a war of attrition, and the Ukrainians have been dying for bullet points on tomorrow’s Washington presentation. Over the past few weeks, bullet points on tomorrow’s Washington presentation have become far more lethal.

This is how a war of attrition is lost. At first slowly, then quickly. Because the Ukraine does not have enough troops left, it is losing troops far faster than it was.

Forming salients is still a risky business for the Russians. Sometimes their attempt penetrate fails, and a lot of Russians die. Sometimes a salient gets cut off, and instead of surrounding, the Russians are surrounded. But it seems to work most of the time, and it seems to be working better and better, as Ukrainians rapidly get fewer and fewer. The Ukrainian’s have been trying to emulate this tactic, but they always wind up with salients that instead of surrounding, are surrounded, because the Russians have enough reserves to get themselves out of the mess when things go wrong, and the Ukrainians do not.

504 comments New phase of Ukraine war

hcm says:

I had always hoped it wouldn’t actually go to the last Ukrainian, but alas.

Alf says:

Total madness, to say nothing of the repeated insistence of the media telling us that ‘losses on the Russian side are much heavier than those on the Ukranian side.’

Bix Nudelmann says:

Total madness, to say nothing of the repeated insistence of the media telling us that ‘losses on the Russian side are much heavier than those on the Ukranian side.’

First Covid was going to be GAE’s Chernobyl, where GAE would lose its credibility forever, but it looks like no, they got away with it. A bunch of missing vaxxed Grandma’s and “suddenly attacks”, sure, but as long as CNN never brings them up, these normies aren’t saying anything.

But Ukraine-Russia is different, right? This one will be the GAE Chernobyl, RIGHT? CNN can ignore the dead Grandma’s, the turbo-cancers and nobody-important suddenly attacks, but can they really ignore Russia winning this thing? Can they?

Jim says:

Normies never notice anything, but their betters are noticing and it filters down slowly. Cancel culture stopped the filtering down in its tracks, but without the heavy hand of the state, the supposedly grass roots cancellation and deplatforming went up in smoke. Massive shilling is slowing it, but only slowing it.

It has been a very long time since a war of attrition was fought to its ultimate conclusion, and people have forgotten what it looks like. Once the war is over, it is going to sink in and no one is going to want to do it again for eighty years or so. After which it will be forgotten again, and the lesson will have to be relearned.

A2 says:

Read the Twitter files to see how the sausage was made. Spoiler: heavy state/intelligence involvement.

We got the hot Uke women, and so sorry we are depleting the northern euro men that are our natural allys. I am old enough to watch it all time out and prefer to work the math and engineering of real security, privacy, unity and truth. Yeah shill talk but I do mean it.

Joe says:

44 point rightward political swing in American male Zoomers in less than a decade, 16 even in Zfemales. In Europe, who sings “Auslander Raus?” Not Boomers.

COVID was the GAE’s Chernobyl, and the Boomers’ too. The full impact is moving through the system, and the demographic part unfolds over time. But it is unfolding, and trust and legitimacy do not soon return once broken.

The GAE will lose their war in Ukraine, with all that implies. They are still trying to erect the Control Grid, making a huge push for AI to help solve the data firehose problem of surveillance, and moving toward a state-corporate ownership model (vid. Intel) tied to sovereign wealth funds. I also expect attempts to embed it within re-industrialization. How far they can actually make that reach, who ends up controlling the Control Grid pieces they get, and whom the Praetorian Class finally sticks with, will determine the outcome.

Bix Nudelmann says:

The Russians are moving forward, not to gain turf, but to prevent Ukrainian troops from moving backwards.

That is fucking terrifying.

Hasmon says:

taken on results per soldier / resource, ukrainians have been more effective. russia only appears to be winning. if ukraine had equal numbers of men etc, it would be winning. it doesn’t, so it is losing… big dog invades smaller dog, little dog loses. not much more to it than that. little dogs can compensate with excellence, but only so far.

Jim says:

> taken on results per soldier / resource,

This depends on what results you care about.

If measured by bullet points in tomorrow’s Washington presentation to ask for more money to be embezzled, the Ukraine has been enormously more effective.

If measured by what matters in war of attrition, the destruction of enemy manpower, equipment and resources, the Russians have been enormously more effective, as demonstrated by the exhaustion of Nato weapon’s stocks and the diminution of the Ukrainian army.

After some nasty casualties at the beginning of the war, the Russians hid their casualty figures, but now that Russian casualties have considerably diminished, they are completely open and transparent about casualty figures, including the rather high casualties at the beginning of the war that they hid for quite a while. Ukrainian casualty figures remain hidden, but we can make good guess from the shrinkage of the Ukrainian army and the expansion of Ukrainian graveyards and it is obvious that the Russians are killing dozens of Ukrainians for every Russian that the Ukrainians kill. (For the first couple of years of the war it was somewhat comparable, but now the Russians are sprinting to the finish line.)

Ukrainian streets are empty and silent. Russian streets remain normal, as one would expect from a war fought by volunteers and without war socialism, with neither men nor resources being conscripted. (Russia has conscription for homeland defence, but conscripts are excused from the special military operation.)

Milosevic says:

Not entirely true, I’ve seen footage from Kiev and it looks surprisingly normal. Women and no men though lol.

Fidelis says:

Go to the front you disgusting evil little shit. You will throw away everyone’s life for this war but your own you hold dear.

Those like you are why we need a civil war in the heartland, because you need to be tried and your guilt spilled into the soil, burned up, and it’s not going to happen under Don. Don will look the other way on your evil little antics. Lets see how spirited you are when the weapons rain fire down around you. Lets see your wimpering moralizations when you are on trial, and its not someones else’s life you are spending.

S says:

Ukraine had numerical superiority at the start of the war and until UKR losses and RUS increase changed the balance on the front.

Having more men would only have made the process go slower; we saw what happens when Ukraine attacked prepared Russian positions during the 2023 Ukrainian counter offensive. That is assuming the course of events is independent on big ticket items like artillery, air defense, etc that Ukraine is running low on and are independent of ‘man with rifle’; if it isn’t then being able to through a swarm of men at the problem doesn’t help if the Russians can just keep glide bombing them.

Doom says:

>He believes in the “Russkies are zerg rushing” meme
Unironically, do you really believe that for every man the Ukrainians lose, Russia loses two?
Do you believe that Russia are actually press-ganging men into battle?

Sher Singh says:

Down about 11kg since May.
What worked at first was strict meal timing.

What’s working now is a ChatGPT suggestion.
Add berries or fruit (veggies if you like) to every meal to add volume.

I feel full/fine and can lift/cardio at even 1750-2000 calories out of a 3100 maintenance.

C4ssidy says:

I am down a crazy number of pounds after few months on reactionary diet. Before that time, while I knew not to trust carbs, I did not strictly count them to check they were under the 20g guideline, which was broken daily by absentmindedly drinking cups of milk, and I was unaware of the specific ketogenic state, and how you can go through the hurdle by drinking salted broths. My usual diet has been ribeye slathered in butter, with eggs or pickled cucumber. Nothing sweetened at all, not even artificial, to avoid the insulin response, though recently started doing small amounts of berries and small portions of milk. I allowed myself all the butter and broth that I want, there has been no difficulty dealing with the sensation of hunger since in the ketogenic state, i usually had to consciously remind myself to eat, to avoid full-on fasting effects

Jim says:

Quick weight loss is going to run you into trouble. You are in a marathon. Take it easy. When you are fat, you can go full steam ahead, because your body knows it is fat, but as you approach your healthy weight, your body is going to irrationally and inappropriately panic. Don’t be in a rush to get to where you want to go. Sneak up gently on your target weight. Eat more fat.

Oog en Hand says:

Q: “Today using force to convert is unthinkable. Why did this idea, that was used for centuries, pass away?”

A: “A couple disclaimers: this is an immensely complex topic, and I’m not an expert on post-medieval missionary history. That being said, my hunch is that it’s largely due to the rise of Protestant evangelical movements, especially the Great Awakening. Here we see a new stress placed upon the individual soul and upon religious experience. Conversion becomes a voluntary, individual turning to God. Once you have that understanding, the idea of forcing someone to convert becomes absurd.”

https://christianhistoryinstitute.org/magazine/article/interview-converting-by-the-sword/

We see a fallacy of equivocation. It was Roman Catholics, not Christians, that put the fear of Deus in the Saxons. Gott is an useless loser. What would happen to a Muslim equivalent of Varg Vikernes, burning down mosques in Turkey, and insist people should return to Tengri and His Prophet Attila?

S says:

It didn’t pass away- it just switched to ‘ideology’ when traditional religion ceased to be the organizing principle for society. It is called ‘exporting the revolution’ or ‘democratic liberation’, but it is the same idea.

Neurotoxin says:

So apparently the Trump-Putin meeting was a wet firecracker. Putin wasn’t assassinated, so that’s nice, but nothing of substance was achieved, it seems. Not that anyone here expected anything to come of it, I’m sure.

I wonder if they spoke to each other with other people far enough away that they could speak privately. And if so, what was said?

Milosevic says:

I think it’s obvious a lot happened and a lot will come of it. Both Trump and Putin seem very happy.

Neurotoxin says:

Seriously? I guess we’ll see.

Jim says:

Trump and Putin did speak in private.

But Trump needs to give something to Thermidor. And what he needs to give to Thermidor is a Russian defeat, and Putin is not going to give him that when Putin has lost around a hundred fifty thousand Russians winning this war.

I expect that Putin said to Trump

“Give us what we asked for in 2022, plus eight provinces.”

Trump:

“Eight? in our last conversation in was four.”

Putin:

“And if this war continues much longer, it is going to be ten.”

Trump:

“Tell you what. After the Ukrainian army is no more, you can organise the Ukraine as you wish, but in return for certain concessions that I can wave under the nose of Thermidor, I will protect Kaliningrad and thus stop Europe from throwing Poland and Lithuania into the meat grinder.”

At least I hope that is what he said.

Alf says:

If nothing else, the meeting at least got all the right people seething and frothing at the mouth.

Pax Imperialis says:

Meanwhile in America, Trump sent the military into DC to clean it up. He should do that is all major cities.

Alf says:

It is nice to imagine that cleaning up lower class criminals inside the beltway is not so different from cleaning up the higher class criminals inside the beltway.

Pax Imperialis says:

Why is Hillary Clinton suddenly praising Trump? I think they’re afraid.

Wrostr says:

What about Odessa? Is it important or just kind of symbolic? Will the good guys take it?

Jim says:

Putin is willing to concede Odessa for the sake of peace. But peace does not appear to be on the table.

The Ukrainian army appears to have suffered serious casualties in the course of containing the Russian effort to turn the Pokrovsk Myrnohrad agglomeration into yet another, bigger, cauldron — they sent their best troops in to fight in situations where the balance of attrition was bound to heavily favor the Russians. The cure may well have been worse than the disease.

If the Ukrainian army fights to the last Ukrainian — well, the last Ukrainian is in sight. In which case Russia is going to take Odessa.

Oog en Hand says:

What about “Heavenly Jerusalem”? Is it a 1488 conspiracy theory, or did Menachem Schneerson lay the groundwork for another Jewish state, Ashkenazi-only, because only Ashkenazis are supposedly descended from Khazars?

S says:

The Eurasian plain has no natural defense barriers, is filled with slavs who are competent at war and the population of Ukraine was 2-3 times the world’s Jewish population. It would be simpler and less insane to immigrate to the Russian Federation’s Jewish Autonomous Oblast- it isn’t sovereign, but it isn’t a territory whose name means ‘the borderlands’.

Pax Imperialis says:

Putin has to take it all otherwise what ever is left over will just be used against Russia again regardless of what the agreement says. Of course not ‘everything’, Hungary should be reunited with their increasingly persecuted brothers trapped in Ukraine.

Bix Nudelmann says:

I’m quite sure that Plan Carpathia has new tires, fresh oil and filters, all its joints greased, its batteries charged and its tanks on ‘F’.

“Press to start.”

Bix Nudelmann says:

“We’ll fight the Anglostan Sultanate to the last Jew. Volunteer now or get the front line, Ari. As long as it takes.”
–Ubermerikaaner Chanceller Bix, 2042

JustAnotherGuy says:

https://substack.com/home/post/p-171172267

“This will also likely presage Israel getting whatever they want as long as they hold the knife of instability against the West’s throat. The West will probably bend and take the Gazans off the Israeli’s hands like the little bitches they are. In the UK it looks like the groundwork is already being laid. All they need to do is hold the line like the Russians did. Time looks like it is on their side now.”

Good stuff, so most of the west is going to be filled with Sincere Mohammadens who will ensure to do whatever they can to make the infidel suffer. To be honest, can’t even blame Israel for this, if every Euro Gov wants to dope themselves on any type of immigrant, why not just dump all the Gazans on them? They will say thank you too.

JustAnotherGuy says:

I’m sure if they could, India would ship all their underclass to Europe and America. There isn’t a lack of will, just a lack of means to do so (thankfully, transport capability to send over rivers of meat has stagnated or declined, so it would take quite a few decades to pull this off, which means its not happening).

Pax Imperialis says:

Best case for both Russia and America is that the peace deal gets delayed as much as possible all the way to the last fighting Ukrainian. Anything short of a total Russian battlefield victory is bound to invite EU/GAE-in-exile bullshit back into Ukraine as a staging ground for more color revolution, border infiltrations, and outright military buildup because they are incapable of not reigniting frozen conflicts, which would just start the war back up to even more disasterous consequences. We need a lasting peace with Russia much more than we need Ukrainians alive as harsh as it is.

Varna says:

The last Ukrainian will solve nothing, if some insane slut/fag decides that “Now we got Russia on the ropes. She’s been bled dry by the heroic Ukrainians, so now’s the time to pull a Kaliningrad Danzig crisis and have heroic Poland and Lithuania finally take down the beast!11!1”

If Europe’s rearmament goes as planned, or at least close to planned, they’ll have enough shells/shell capacity for a major prolonged war by 2026-7, enough tanks (if one still believes them important) and airplanes by 2030, and an updated navy by 2035.

The entirely solipsistic warmongers believe they can take Russia right now, the more pragmatic warmongers will start believing this sometime next year, and believe it more and more as upbeat data on more Leopard 3s (and more Black Panther tanks in Poland) gets reported on Euronews.

And of course the Polacks themselves are known since forever to be the best butthurt belt example of being addicted to starting fights that they can’t finish.

So grinding all Ukrainians into kolbasa does not achieve a whole lot if the rest of the continent is dreaming revanchist dreams. To the contrary, if we choose 2027 or 2028 (or even 2030) as possible starting points of Europe deciding it is strong enough to start something stupid for real, then it is in Russia’s interest to start its breather and proper assimilation of conquered territories as soon as possible.

Plus, since 2014 and the first sanctions, Russia has been increasingly in a lost decade, in terms of fertility rates, economic growth, purchasing power, access to fancy goods, and the ability to freely travel the world. All these trends were only going up from the mid 2000s until 2014, Putin’s Golden Age as it were, then started slipping, and since 2022 have gone down sharp.

Sure, Covid slowed everyone down, sure wartime economy masks things, but that’s not something that can be maintained forever, especially the current model of trying to achieve the most gains with the least losses and the least pain for the general population. It’s one thing if a total war is declared and it’s back to barrack communism, but the current model is just a shittier version of the “fat years” from before 2022 and especially from before 2014.

The current model of “let’s pretend we’re not really at war” is almost at its limit. Sooner or later it’s either real peace or total war. And the total war capacity better be saved for the potential neo-Barbarossa that the EU cretins are itching to pull, but the more “realistic” among them want to put off for a few more years.

Russia can likely maintain the current “shitty normal life” until say 2028 (soft limit), or even 2030 (hard limit), but if things go bad with the united delusions troons of Europa, they’ll have to directly switch to total war mode right at the limit when the current model is collapsing.

Would make more sense to have at least a couple of years of “back to normal life” and building up reserves during that time. Who knows, if the bouncing back results are visible enough, this may convince enough EU imbeciles to give starting big trouble in little lithuania a miss.

Jim says:

Russia seems to be doing fine. Why give the Europeans a breather given it is obvious they are planning to start more trouble? They need a breather a lot more than Russia does. To discourage the Kaliningrad option for throwing Poland into yet another war it cannot finish, needs a clear victory in the Ukraine.

Once Russia is done with Ukraine, Kaliningrad is on the table. Russia needs the Kaliningrad to be off the table.

The Cominator says:
Varna says:

Sure, I’m skeptical too, but open source info alleges that collective Europe has almost hit shell production parity with Russia right now, and will overtake it in 2026.
https://united24media.com/latest-news/europes-artillery-production-skyrockets-poised-to-overtake-russia-and-rival-china-by-2026-7873
Even if that’s only partially true, should be more than enough to convince a bunch of people that it’s time to move on to the next battering ram against Russia, likely the Polacks and the Balts, since the Ukrainian one is all used up.

Of course, presenting a continent of half a billion people and with allegedly the highest levels of affluence and efficiency in the world, managing to match the shell production of a 140 million country, with allegedly vastly inferior levels of affluence and efficiency, and presenting it all as some tremendous achievement and proof of inherent superiority, is damn pathetic. Especially keeping in mind that isolated and poor 20mln best Korea also matches those same shell production numbers. Yet things, at least for now, appear to be going that way. Euro shell productions do appear to be soaring.

This doesn’t mean that the popular will is there, or that the infrastructure and logistics for a big war are there, or that the most mentally broken generation will make good grunts, or that the imported darkies will make good grunts, or that the rest of the economy can survive, etc., but it does mean that if someone is looking for “promising numbers” on which to base their maniacal policies, the promising numbers will increasingly be there.

(How all this will tie with the concurrent “zero net emission” policies, will be very curious to watch. In the 1960s, the Soviets promised real communism by the year 1980. Didn’t happen, although for example commie black housing for 160 million Soviet citizens was indeed built in the 1970s, and some 1950s American Dream attributes such as a car, a TV, and a fridge did start becoming the norm.

The EU has planned a zero-emission decarbonized utopia that’s supposed to start kicking in for real circa 2030, go all in by 2040, and by 2050 we all have antigravity butt plugs, and brown trannies with prosthetic dog ears and wagging tails teleporting higher and yon. Anti-masculinity and anti-patriotism is undoubtedly a part of all that as well, as an implicit ideological undercurrent. And yet now suddenly we’re ramping up old school manufacturing and old school armies and preparing “to defend our way of life”. Mind boggling. Tbh in moments like these a guy can even catch himself lamenting that the Trotskyist wreckers were maybe not *aggressive enough* in dismantling the industrial base and work ethic. Or maybe they were. We’ll see in the next 1-2 years.)

Three and a half years of war in the Ukraine have shown a few basic lessons imo: 1) today’s big war is about drones, missiles, artillery, and grunts on the ground; 2) paying hood chavs to be grunts works fine if the pay is tenfold the median income; 3) a big slow war can be maintained for a long time if you’re not fighting for power point presentations, and larger society just quietly shifts from lower middle-class to upper lower-class and keeps on functioning; 4) real manufacturing and agricultural capacity as opposed to imaginary GDP is what counts in a protracted war effort; 5) old Cold War 1 tech in storage can indeed be rehabilitated and thrown into the fray, even if it’s 70 years old (like the T-55).

Europeans have been slow-boiled to accept shittier and shittier living conditions for decades. They can probably be made to accept more of the same. At least in some areas, a shift from imaginary GDP to actual manufacturing appears to be happening. In theory there are tens of thousands of old tech units that can be rehabilitated, but maybe they only exist on paper. Artillery shells are definitely on the table. Drones and missiles — questionable. Grunts on the ground…? Middle-aged men, maybe. Generic local zoomers, highly doubtful. Bribed hood thugs and imported vibrants — maybe.

alf says:

What is ‘open source info’ supposed to mean? Sounds like someone figured that since ‘open source software’ was good, branding themselves as ‘open source info’ should be good too.

The article references what seems to pretty clearly be an anti-Russia propaganda group. Trust them as far as I can throw them. On paper everybody is winning, doing awesome, revving up production. Smells like nonsense.

The problem with the EU is not lack of evil intent. There is plenty of that. The problem is that they have absolutely no idea what it would take to actually have a functional war economy. They will sign a decree ordering production, and the supervisors in the factories, knowing damn well what is expected of them, tell them that these decrees are being executed to the tee, despite nothing having been changed.

Karl says:

Nah, they won’t sign a decree ordering production. They’ll allocate a budget of 5 gazillion euros for defense spending. These 5 gazillion euros will then be spent for defense.

A part of the money will be for consulatant fees, another part will buy advertsing campagns for jobs in the armed forces of Europe and the rest will buy maybe 4 artillery shells, 1 tank and 15 rifles.

Alf says:

Money printer goes brrr indeed.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

You forgot the cost of about 500 project managers, 800 human resources positions and lifetime licenses for each and every one of them to Office 365 and several stock photo sites so they can crank out those dazzling PowerPoint presentations day after day.

There will, unfortunately, be no money left in the budget for troops capable of operating any tanks or drones that they do manage to purchase (purely by accident), but such is the price of having a Modern Military.

Neurotoxin says:

Not Europe but oh so relevant: In December 2024 the Naval War College hosted a Maritime Security symposium. Chris Bray shows a couple of photos of the presentation. One of the presentation slides lists three challenges to maritime security. The first item on the slide, and this is a quote:

Challenge #1
Insufficient gender experts

Neurotoxin says:

Tremble before the awesome might of NATO!

Mossadnik says:

Providing those imported Mohammedans and Africans with military training and battlefield experience will definitely accelerate “things.”

The Cominator says:

I’m sure the Euros will have a large force “on paper” in maybe 10 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7mzcAeVrgk

Jim says:

Europe’s self delusion runs deep, therefore such reports are unreliable.

Whenever you read such reports, recollect that the people who are telling you this also have complete confidence that if a man says he is a woman, that makes him a woman, and infinigger can replace the missing grandchildren. They also believe that the British Healthcare service is the envy of the world.

I am confident that Britain’s production of paper shells will be every bit as successful as its production of paper money.

Observe Dysney’s attempt to reverse course. Europe is going to find it even more difficult.

“Oops, deindustrialisation was a bad idea. We must re-industrialise — but, of course, without giving jobs to white males of British ancestry” A dark skinned Indian consultant then has Chat GPT produce a twenty point plan for re-industrialisation. And before you know it, eighty seven bullet points of the plan are complete, the only missing points being actual shells that go boom.

Mossadnik says:

Observe Dysney’s attempt to reverse course. Europe is going to find it even more difficult.

To solve the dysgenesis crisis and the fertility crisis, Western society’s ruling class will need to be mentally prepared (and ideologically coordinated) to implement policies that will make feminists and LGBTs and their bio-spiritually pozzed enablers wail and screech; possibly they will have to be killed.

Without implementing those policies, Western society will assuredly go into the dustbin of history together with those feminists and LGBTs.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

LGBTs

Please, let’s just call them perverts, degenerates or faggots, none of this LGBTQWERTY nonsense. Lesbians were never a real thing, bisexual and gay are the same thing, and trannyism is just florid psychosis subsidized by Harvard.

These terms belong together in an acronym as much as the individuals they describe belong in civilized society.

Mossadnik says:

Women are shit testing us with ever worsening misbehavior to restore patriarchy, and faggots are shit testing us with ever worsening misbehavior to throw them off roofs. A civilization that fails the shit tests ends up with incel sons, whore daughters, no grandchildren, and soon it perishes.

Passing the shit tests will require a Based Throne and a Based Altar.

Mossadnik says:

Children (humans, not niglets) are raised by stable families of father and mother, and such families require healthy social technology to be maintained by state, church, and society. Being deeply allergic to families, children, and heterosexuality, the sexually perverted mutants do absolutely everything possible to destroy that social technology and the state religion needed to maintain it.

Mossadnik says:

In an old-type Muslim society, for instance, a poof seeking to subvert the traditional family (and the religion needed to maintain it) goes off the roof. There is perversion in their societies; there isn’t subversion. Unsurprisingly, old-type Muslims societies remain high fertility. The post-Christian world needs to restore a similar mindset and likely similar methods; that would be passing this particularly fecal shit test.

As this realization dawns on human civilization, expect the satano-sodomics to attempt all forms of deflection and misdirection, particularly aimed at the nascent ruling class.

Bix Nudelmann says:

If there’s one thing I’ve learned by now, it’s that people are incredibly PERMEABLE, and affected by and vulnerable to the people and events around them. This “individualistic” and “consenting adults” stuff is pure malarkey.

There being homos, or negroes, or cajuns or Episcopalians for that matter, within 20 miles of you DOES have an effect on not just your life, but upon you yourself.

And then throw girls and women into the equation, who seek out and obey the most animalistic and brutal power they can access, completely orthagonally to whatever “ideals” or “values” I may carry around in my little spergy head, and that’s it.

All that old libertarian BS is dead and irrelevant in a world containing ships, internet, jetliners and even fucking WHEELS.

Mossadnik says:

After the boomer-lib age is over and political correctness finally dies too, the question which the cognitive elite will be asking the rulers is “How are you going to restore native (that is: white or yellow, depending on location) fertility?”

“Answers” such as, “There is no fertility crisis because blah blah blah UGH BREEDERS” or “We will simply import an infinity of 80 IQ third worlders while higher humanity disappears” will not be accepted. Or, if they will be accepted, expect higher civilization to perish and a Bronze Age collapse to materialize.

And a subversive faggot calling himself a Nietzschean or some such is still a subversive faggot.

Bix Nudelmann says:

Via what… vectors… might said ruling class be made to care about this?

My best answer, such as it is, is that without tackling these (fertility crisis, IQ crisis, etc), then they get no grandchildren and their equity value in businesses goes to Rhodesian Zero.

But… that’s a rather weak fire, don’t you think?

I don’t know. I can’t see these matters clearly through my own frustration. My picture is warped and static-y.

I presume the ruling Rhodesians kept bank accounts in London and fled to there when things got bad. Same with the top dogs of Cape Town today. And with Bitcoin, and the Asian economies for BTC’s value to “fall back to” should Infinigger pull out the copper wires and eat the seed corn here, then privately, as an individual, isn’t my smartest effort directed toward engineering my own private getaway to Singapore or Dubai, rather than showing my hand, making a collective stand and getting flashmobbed?

Not blackpilling exactly, just… wary.

Jim says:

> Not blackpilling exactly

Individually, you cannot make a stand. Need a King.

ICE and Alligator Alcatraz are a good start.

Trouble is, those things are merely within the politically possible. Single women are voting for civilisational suicide by seventy to eighty point margins. It is a shit test. Not going to get anywhere till we limit the franchise to soldiers who have seen action and Christian married property owning men with children.

Mossadnik says:

Via what… vectors… might said ruling class be made to care about this?

Civilization advances, stagnates, or declines in accordance with demography. If not enough high competence people will exist to advance it or at least maintain it (and easily extracted resources are increasingly unavailable), then we likely get a Great Filter scenario of civilizational collapse, meaning there won’t be any climbing up the Kardashev Scale – eventually Earth descends to endless tribal warfare by assorted oogah boogahs until the planet becomes unlivable and everything dies; Gnon’s command to conquer the universe remaining unfulfilled by humanity.

If the ruling class wants a technologically advanced (and advancing) life for themselves and their posterity, need eugenic breeding in sufficient numbers. That necessitates caring about things such as: fertility levels among the higher races; stable father+mother family units that allow the requisite fertility levels; a state religion that allows and encourages the formation and maintenance of such families; and the general quality of the human bio-mass in their societies.

I expect them to wake up when the (((Machine Cult’s))) bubble of delusion finally bursts and their awesome and mighty AI demon fails to show up.

Jim says:

> Sooner or later it’s either real peace or total war.

That is a call the Europeans have to make. Takes two to make peace, only one to make war. The Europeans want permanent low level war “Hey it is just Kaliningrad, no need to go nuclear over it”. Russia does not want permanent low level war, and has been telling them it will not stand for it.

So Russia has to put them on the spot while Trump is still in office, Either real peace now or real war now.

If Trump is in office, then most of the nukes are going stay parked.

Deuteronomy says:

[*deleted for not conforming to the moderation policy*]

Oog en Hand says:

St Augustine has been depicted as a black man in a children’s book written by Church of England officials as part of its diversity drive. The saint, one of the most influential figures in Christian history, has been illustrated as black in a new book called Heroes of Hope.

This book says it seeks to inspire children with examples of ‘Black and brown saints, often erased and whitewashed from history, who formed the church and therefore modern society as we know it today’.

Aurelius Augustinus was born in 345 AD in a Mediterranean coastal town now in modern-day Algeria, going on to become a bishop of the North African settlement of Hippo.

“Over the years, most depictions of St Augustine have been of a white man. At that time in history, the area was a Roman province, although Augustine and his mother Saint Monica may have originated from the North African Berber ethnic group.

Although this would not make him black, there have been efforts to apply this identity to him by some groups, including at the Catholic University of Villanova in Pennsylvania. An official at the university wrote in 2023 that it was important to depict the saint as black because ‘depicting St. Augustine as a Black man actively decentres whiteness’.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15007931/St-Augustine-pictured-black-childrens-book-published-Church-England.html

Original Sin…

alf says:

Investigating the current and former archbishops of the church of England gives us some predictable results.

The former archbishop, Justin Welby, strikes me as a weak but honestly introspective man. Obviously the spiritual rot has set in for the man cannot give a simple answer to the question ‘is gay sex sinful’. He resigned over his inability to stop faggot priests from molesting children.

The current archbisshop, Stephen Cotrell, just about rings all my bullshit bells. Bad guy, nonsense talker. Looking to legalize gay marriage. Calls the ‘father’ in ‘our father’ problematic.

The changes in the Anglican church very much reflect the changes in society at large, even though they have come much later and some are even yet to come:
feminism -> gay marriage -> demon madness galore.

Oog en Hand says:

“In 2014 two complaints against Gijsen for sexual abuse dating from the period 1958–1961 were deemed valid by the complaints commission of the Catholic Church.[9][10][11] The determination that complaints were valid was the first time against a Dutch bishop. Gijsen’s successor in the diocese of Roermond, Frans Wiertz, apologized for Gijsen’s behaviour.[10]”

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joannes_Gijsen

“In 1927, missionary and Montfortian G. Boots (born in Horst) wrote two articles about the mission in Iceland in the monthly magazine “Katholieke Missiën” (Catholic Missions). It had all been so wonderful in what was then a Protestant country. Iceland used to be entirely Catholic. It consisted of two dioceses: Holar, in the north, and Skalholt, in the south.

Catholic life flourished there. Christian perfection was even practiced there, as Iceland boasted nine monasteries: five Augustinian, two Benedictine, and two Benedictine: places of charity, prayer, and study.

Catholic Iceland produced saints and scholars. For five centuries, the country enjoyed the possession of the true faith, until it was robbed of that precious treasure in the mid-sixteenth century.

Christian III [r. 1534-1559] then occupied the Danish throne, forcing him to introduce the Lutheran religion into his lands. The new doctrine was also forced upon Iceland.
To suppress the resistance of the Catholic population, the king used armed force and sent five hundred soldiers to Iceland. The Catholics were forced to yield to the overwhelming force. Churches and monasteries were confiscated at the behest of the tyrant, and priests and monks were expelled.

The last two bishops even paid for their devotion to the Catholic Church with their lives. The half-blind Bishop of Skalholt was taken to Denmark; he died en route, a result of grief and ill-treatment. The heroic Bishop of Holar, Jon Arason, was beheaded in Skalholt as a defender of faith and homeland. The Icelandic people were now a flock without a shepherd.”

Google Translated from Dutch source:
https://www.harryknipschild.nl/harryknipschild.nl/missieverhalen?view=article&id=804:94-nederlandse-missie-op-ijsland&catid=84

Roman Catholics angry about Lutherans forcibly imposing Protestantism on Iceland.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Oh, those poor, poor Catholics who never did anything wrong and had nearly reached the pinnacle of spiritual perfection, only to have it all tragically cut short by the big bad oppressive Protestants and Lutherans. 🙃

I don’t study Danish history but it sounds like Christian III was a great king.

The Cominator says:

Executing traitors who won’t renounce their foreign allegiance to the faggot head Babylonian priests in Rome is based.

Jim says:

Recollect how Iceland became Roman Catholic in the first place.

Then recollect how Roman Catholic Kings became protestant.

I don’t know what happened in Iceland, but I do know what happened in England.

In England, the King sent around a team to dig up dirt on the monasteries and nunneries, and an amusingly large supply of dirt was found. All the monasteries were examined, and all massively failed inspection. The one nunnery that did not massively fail inspection was not dissolved, until we get to the progressive era, when I would assume it has been turned into a wiccan commune or a communist lesbian bookstore. The King used their own rules and official Roman Catholic doctrine to dissolve the monasteries, much like Trump nobbling H1B by actually enforcing the laws as written.

The protestant revolution happened because of bad conduct by the Roman Catholic Church. It was primarily motivated by the Pope’s pursuit of earthly power, because the Pope coveted that which is Caesar’s, and the Kings had it in for the monasteries because they exercised earthly power, but the protestants had it in for the monasteries because of misconduct. A fish rots from the head. Protestants complained about this, and Kings were happy to oblige them.

anonymous mouse says:

Honestly, this is pretty based. They’re doing this to trigger retarded conservative optics-cucks who do fake “Christian nationalist” shit because they are too cowardly to dare to be openly pro-white. Kudos to these shitlibs for reminding them that Christianity and nationalism are not the same thing, and you won’t trick the system into giving you the latter by supporting the former. (See also: “right-wing” Zionist kikes openly pushing for the transfer of the population of Gaza to Europe, to the shock and dismay of their “nationalist” sycophants)

Mossadnik says:

You wrote on November 17, 2024:

I would go farther and say that now that a majority of Hispanic men vote Republican, Trump is much more likely to amnesty all the illegals than deport them. There will certainly be a legal immigration ramp-up too. Not sure why people are expecting anything different.

I responded:

I’m really spot-on in my ability to detect shills, am I not? Whenever you think, “Shaman is being excessively cruel,” remember this little convo here.

Why are you so gay?

anonymous mouse says:

Where’s the lie? I haven’t checked this blog in a while, but I guess you guys here live in an alternate reality where “mass deportations” is a thing that is actually happening outside of AI-generate boomerslop.

Obviously, the shill is you. Trump isn’t doing anything for white people or Americans. He is doing a whole lot for Jews and Israel. Cui bono.

To go back to my original post, obviously my point was that Christian nationalism, Zionism, and conservatism are not adequate substitutes for white racialism. If you want something politically, you have to fight for it openly, instead of directing your energy to surrogates that the system already knows how to assimilate and neutralize. Christianity isn’t incompatible with nationalism, but it’s not the same thing either. That stunt about making Augustine black makes crypto-racialists who pretend to be theocrats seethe, because it exploits the gap between the ideology they espouse and the results they are trying to obtain through that ideology. Same with Zionists using Europe as a dumping ground for the millions of refugees produced by their wars.

Mossadnik says:

Where’s the lie? I haven’t checked this blog in a while, but I guess you guys here live in an alternate reality where “mass deportations” is a thing that is actually happening outside of AI-generate boomerslop… Trump isn’t doing anything for white people or Americans.

Fascinating.

anonymous mouse says:

Glad you liked my post, “Mossadnik”.

Mossadnik says:

Of course. You, Gas Man, Bouncer, etc., are by far my favorite posters. It’s such a shame that you 100% Authentic White Racialists (lol) don’t post very often, though; I’ve learned so, so much from you, and it’s always a pleasure to expand and deepen — no homo — one’s knowledge and understanding.

Oog en Hand says:

“If Rome really wants to blame something for these initial Protestant divisions, she should look in the mirror and acknowledge all the dumb decisions she made down through history. For instance, locking the Scriptures in Latin – a dead language – for a thousand years! Latin may have been the language of the Church but it was not the language of the people, and it’s pretty hard for people to read Scripture when they cannot read or speak the Church’s language. Add to that the fact that no one understood what was being said during their ‘church’ services because the Mass was in Latin. Imagine thinking that God didn’t want you to know what He was saying to you. Much like the KJV Only crowd, up to the enlightenment the Catholic Church believed that the Scriptures should only exist in Latin. But Latin Bibles, just like English Bibles, are translations of the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts. Add to that, it should be stressed that a lot of care had to be taken when doing that translation so as not to introduce any translation errors. And that was exactly what happened when you have a translation committee of one, which is what Jerome effectively was. Jerome was a brilliant guy and I believe that he attempted to do the very best job he could, but he was only human. His translation accidentally changed doctrine when he mistranslated ‘repentance’ into ‘penance,’ which has become a sacrament in the Catholic Church, a sacrament that does not and could not ever legitimately exist. Continuing, Rome never kept a knowledge of Greek, which helped create and strengthen the divide with the East. This also meant it had no way to verify that its Latin translation was accurate. And if that wasn’t bad enough, Catholicism treated Latin as if it was the original language of Scripture, just like the worst of the KJV Only crowd tries to do today. So, that mentality conveyed the belief that anyone who translated the Scriptures into a modern language was a heretic. ”

https://shadmansmusings.wordpress.com/2025/07/31/fragmentation-arguments-against-sola-scriptura-8/

Treating the Vulgate in Latin like Muslims treat the Koran in Arabic.

Jim says:

> believed that the Scriptures should only exist in Latin.

These theological issues matter to people who spend a lot of time reading the Bible. But the big problem is not copyist and translation errors, but linguistic drift. Bible says something power does not like. Power invents new meanings for the words, and the old meanings are forgotten. Translation of old languages into new is far less dangerous than language drift.

Greek has the considerable advantage that linguistic drift has been halted.

For society, what matters is faggot theology, the perpetual virginity of Mary, and of course, the Pope still covets that which is Caesar’s, though since the sack of Rome, Popes have been a lot more cautious on that issue.

Oog en Hand says:

And how did they stop linguistic drift?

“Katharevousa (Greek: Καθαρεύουσα, pronounced [kaθaˈrevusa], literally “purifying [language]”) is a conservative form of the Modern Greek language conceived in the late 18th century as both a literary language and a compromise between Ancient Greek and the contemporary vernacular, Demotic Greek. Originally, it was widely used for both literary and official purposes, though sparingly in daily language. In the 20th century, it was increasingly adopted for official and formal purposes, until minister of education Georgios Rallis made Demotic Greek the official language of Greece in 1976, and in 1982 Prime Minister Andreas Papandreou abolished the polytonic system of writing for both Demotic and Katharevousa.

Katharevousa was conceived by the intellectual and revolutionary leader Adamantios Korais (1748–1833).[1] A graduate of the University of Montpellier, Korais spent most of his life as an expatriate in Paris. As a classical scholar credited with both laying the foundations of Modern Greek literature and a major figure in the Greek Enlightenment, he was repelled by Byzantine influence on Greek society as well as that of its successors, and was a fierce critic of the clergy and their alleged subservience to the Ottoman Empire.[2] He held that education was a prerequisite to Greek liberation.

Part of Katharevousa’s purpose was to serve as a compromise solution for the struggle between the “archaists” demanding full reversion to archaic Greek, and the “modernists”.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katharevousa

Somewhere, in the future:

“Eros means wisdom. An erastes imparted wisdom on the eromenos. The Greeks were revolted by any relations that went against Nature.”

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Is there some point to this incessant stream of copypasta from mainstream media sites, random blogs and even Wikipedia? Do you have something original or relevant to say or are you doing your imitation of a very primitive chatbot before the days of LLMs and context windows?

Oog en Hand says:

I try to limit copypasta to a minimum. The importance of language is constantly ignored, over here. Demography presupposes sexual morality. Sexual morality presupposes religion. Religion presupposes Holy Books and/or Holy Traditions. Holy Books and Traditions presuppose language.

Why do you think Special Forces are taught encryption and local languages?

The best way to lead by example. Raam tad tdrow reih tein tkipeg.
Does the Sdnalreden annoy you? Well, I am annoyed by not being able to read holy books in their original languages.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

I try to limit copypasta to a minimum.

If these five hundred word spews are what you call “minimum” then I shudder to think of what not trying would look like.

Demography presupposes sexual morality. Sexual morality presupposes religion. Religion presupposes Holy Books and/or Holy Traditions. Holy Books and Traditions presuppose language.

This is a facile, even infantile argument. “Economics presupposes work, work presupposes commuting, commuting presupposes roads, roads presuppose asphalt, so here’s a five hundred word essay on asphalt.” The Train Is Fine.

There is an entire category of blogs and social networks named the “Orthosphere” where people can sperg out on bible studies; I suggest finding one. Theology, like asphalt, is only on topic here if it’s relevant in some way, and you’ll have to do a lot better than the gay Batman Deduction above to demonstrate relevance.

Why do you think Special Forces are taught encryption and local languages?

Uh, because they need to maintain opsec and interact with the locals in order to successfully carry out their missions? What kind of asinine question is that?

The best way to lead by example.

To lead implies having followers. Whom do you think you’re leading? I mean that literally: who the hell do you think you are, to come here, squeeze out a bunch of barely-coherent, semi-deranged and almost never on-topic posts, and then claim to be leading us? Maybe it was just a poor choice of words, “lost in translation” if you will, but comes across as pretty fucking arrogant to me.

Raam tad tdrow reih tein tkipeg.
Does the Sdnalreden annoy you?

Yes, it does annoy me, because you’ve been told repeatedly, including once by Jim, that this is an English-language blog and you are to speak English here. No one wants their activity tracked by having to plug the shit you post into a translator. So at best, when you post this stuff, it is simply ignored and dismissed as annoying, and at worst you happen to pique someone’s interest and end up actively harming their privacy.

We have Indians and Israelis on this blog, living in India and Israel, who have the good sense to speak English, even to each other, when posting on this blog. What’s your excuse? (Don’t answer that, it’s rhetorical.)

Well, I am annoyed by not being able to read holy books in their original languages.

So who is stopping you? Go learn all the variants of Greek, Latin and whatever else. Write your own revisionist translations. Start your own blog and build your own audience. Maybe Jim would even put you on his blogroll if it’s halfway decent stuff. But don’t leech off someone else’s captive audience to promote a topic only you care about.

People even try to help you. Alf and Jim try to reframe your posts into something that’s relevant, or find some tenuous connection to a topic with more substance. And then instead of engaging, you just pivot to some other bizarre and meaningless diversion. Again, I have to ask, what is your point? What is your thesis? If you really are sincerely just trying to make the point that “language is important” then (a) you’re making it poorly and (b) it is already obvious to everyone here.

Oog en Hand says:

” If you really are sincerely just trying to make the point that “language is important” then (a) you’re making it poorly and (b) it is already obvious to everyone here.”

Then I won’t bother you again on the language issue.

Fidelis says:

He is a noise shill. His job is to add noise. Look at the response you got, as if we aren’t constantly talking about rectification of names.

Oog en Hand says:

Maak dat de kat wijs.

Neurotoxin says:

“The importance of language is constantly ignored, over here.”

Fidelis already called this out, but: Why even bother with such a brazen lie? What could be achieved by this?

Jehu says:

The celibate priesthood was probably their worst heresy. A big part of it is that married priests would naturally develop loyalties to the particular people they serve. That would tend to mitigate the problems with Rome using the faithful elsewhere in Europe as tools to aggrandize Rome. That’s where a lot of the anger about indulgences came from—that money was being vacuumed out of Germany and other places to build up Rome. Had the Catholic church never adopted that heresy, they’d have avoided an awful lot of faggotry and quite likely the Reformation as well.

Hesiod says:

I was shocked to learn recently that celibacy as a mandate was established relatively late in the RC institution, 11th century AD on into the 12th. Lots of sophistry laid out to tie it to earlier Christian tradition, but it becomes more apparent it was established by later popes and their minions to covet what is rightfully Caesar’s.

The Cominator says:

The Roman Catholic Church did not exist until the 11th century it was all the Orthodox church with basically the dispute between westerners and easterners up to that point coming down solely to the Filoque. There was no pope until the 1050s. So celibacy did not come late to Catholicism its just catholicism didn’t exist as long as Catholics said it did. Now celibacy wasn’t enforced (because in the middle ages which was a lot less puritanical than most people think it was rightfully seen as unnatural and gay and the rule was thought stupid and legalistic so sons couldn’t claim church offices) until the Council of Trent era.

Aidan says:

This isn’t entirely true. The bishop of Rome was obviously very influential in the West. When there was a controversy over some local Christian groups being heretical or not, Rome would win. The bishop of Rome could transfer the Roman Empire to Charlemagne in a ceremony designed to show equal status between pope and emperor. Unlike the Orthodox Church, Rome had monopolar control over the western church before the popes began grasping for secular power.

The Cominator says:

The bishop of Rome was sort of considered the western Patriarch but they weren’t really powerful and in fact ussually they were controlled by the old nobility of Rome (who would often just kill bishops of Rome they didn’t like), the only example of them really showing even secondary power before the 1050s was when Pepin connived to depose the Merovingians and have his house proclaimed the new royal house of the Franks and he had the western patriarch proclaim that yes this is indeed the will of God (and only after the fact).

Charlemagne was angry when the bishop of Rome presumed to place a crown on his head and did not include the Pope in his succession planning. If the bishop of Rome had issued anything like Dictatus Papae under Constantine or Charlemagne they would likely have been killed, but best case they would have been imprisoned deposed and locked up as a madman.

Jim says:

Rome had monopolar control over the western church before the popes began grasping for secular power.

Not really. The priesthood were the local Kings bureaucrats, and there was a long struggle over who got to appoint them.

While Orthodoxy institutionalised this as national Churches, the Pope did not much like it, and resisted the form, while in practice reluctantly accommodating the reality. It was only when the Popes got serious about secular power that they dug in their heels on this matter. Thus, for example, the Bishops of King Alfred and his immediate successors were primarily the Kings bureaucrats, not the Pope’s priests.

Aidan says:

The kings got to decide who was appointed to Church office, but the bishop of Rome did in fact decide what heresy was. Charlemagne did not allow the Pope to choose successors to his Roman Empire, but the Pope could proclaim him emperor. Once transferred, became secular power. The pope clearly had more influence in the West than any Patriarch had in the East.

Jim says:

> The pope clearly had more influence in the West than any Patriarch had in the East.

Which became a problem, leading to the great schism, and multitude of heresies conjured up to meet the urgent needs of war and international politics. The great schism was a direct result of the Pope leading armies in the field.

Which problem eventually led to the Protestant Revolution and the sack of Rome, which led to popes becoming a little more circumspect, and led to the Counter Reformation.

Aidan says:

It did become a problem. But the reason why it happened was that converting the western pagans was a hard coordination problem that was solved by a central church in Rome that could get its way theologically over the various dispersed churches in far flung dangerous lands, but not get its way physically or socially, being very far away. As the monastery put the very holy very far away from power, Rome was the very holy very far away from power. As you are fond of saying, Alfred derived spiritual authority from making the long and dangerous pilgrimage to Rome and meeting the Pope. For a long time, having a center of spiritual gravity and memetic sovereignty that was very far away and interfered only with a light touch, increased the power of secular rulers. Until the bishops of Rome ceased being content with being aloof and holy.

Jehu says:

More evidence of the US/Nato can’t meaningfully increase mass military production, even for something as fundamental as 155mm artillery shells.

https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2025/8/14/army-falls-short-of-155mm-production-goal

The target was 100,000 shells per month by this October. The miss wasn’t little, I believe their top month so far is 45,000. The whole article has more red flags in it than a May Day Parade in China.

Varna says:

Thanks. This reads a bit similar to the attempts, under Biden, to get Koreans and Taiwanese to build electronics factories in the US and train the locals to operate them.

Hyundai, Samsung, LG all totally about to build and operate new plants. Alabama, North Carolina etc. Even when they officially open them and cut ribbons in front of cameras, it’s still “soon we will produce” and “soon we will employ”.

Since the various gooks are currently the last industrially efficient race on Earth, their actual performance in trying to graft this lost knowledge back onto western soil is maybe a good way to clearly see how the actual process works or doesn’t work.

Among the round-eyed devils, even the Krauts appear to be coasting on reputation. The UK just recently nationalized their last proper steel mill back from its Chinese owners. Let’s see how London manages it heh.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

trying to graft this lost knowledge back onto western soil

I want to quibble with one point here: I don’t think the knowledge is actually lost, it’s just been frozen out of the workforce. There are still White Americans who have the skills, but the incentives are such that it’s better to retire early and go golfing, or move to Hong Kong or Dubai, or just move out to the sticks and take on interesting odd jobs locally.

There may be some knowledge that really has been totally lost and will have to be relearned from scratch, especially e.g. in nuclear technology, but a lot is just “on hiatus”, waiting for the re-emergence of the social and economic incentives that would make any of it worthwhile. If nothing gets fixed in a generation or two, then we really will lose it completely, but as of today there are still some opportunities to recover what’s being lost.

The slant-eye expansionists will likely fail, not because the round-eyes are all incapable of learning, but because current incentives strongly disfavor the capable ones putting in any effort, especially on behalf of yet another foreign boss.

Your Uncle Bob says:

Intel’s push for workplace diversity pre-Trump had significant weight on hiring and promotion. They included just enough straight white males to keep the lights on and do the heavy lifting, but kept it to a fraction of what a color-blind policy would have given. This wasn’t one of the on-shoring operations, but given reports at the time of diversity being a goal for some of those, it’s easy to imagine it would have the same or even a larger impact when spinning up a new workforce from scratch.

I take a middle course between Varna and Scarebucks. It’s disingenuous to conflate a workforce of mystery meat, girlbosses, and immigrant invaders with whatever us round-eyed devils might be capable of. And Scarebucks is technically correct that an older cohort still has much knowledge. Yet I’m certain we’ve already burnt up much of the pipeline of apprenticeship we should have. Ideally we’d start a crash course now to recall boomers from the poolside and pair them up with nerds chosen for ability and Amerikaner heritage, but that kind of realpolitik is as yet unthinkable, even under Trump.

Jim says:

Knowledge is being rapidly lost for lack of an apprenticeship system. Since techies are quickly hired and quickly fired, and since mentors have this horribly racist and sexist propensity to mentor people who are actually interested in tech and capable of mastering it, there is no incentive to transmit knowledge.

The reasons the Koreans can keep and advance the technology that we are very rapidly losing is that they have this fascist system of big corporations with the right connections to the state and academia, and the employees of these organisations join them young and stay with them forever, rising in status with time. This creates the incentive to mentor, and the necessary authority to mentor.

Of course this system is oppressive. Better to have a system of enforceable apprenticeship, which is also oppressive, but pretty soon you graduate out of apprenticeship and are no longer oppressed.

Fidelis says:

It’s not mentorship, it’s working directly with the machines for their career. The industries and hobbies where the average person can afford the tools continue to advance even in the US, and it’s not because someone is directly mentoring them. With internet chat, video, etc., knowledge gets transferred. But it’s impossible to gain a skill without practice, and it’s impossible to practice if you have no access to the equipment. Before we need apprenticeship, we need massive deregulation on hiring and operating.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

I agree with you completely. The knowledge and skills aren’t in such a state that we can just flip an “on/off” switch back to “on”. The few good employers struggle to find decent hires and the few good employees struggle to find dignified jobs, and even if you can get past the economic issues, the social incentives are pathetic for the average man (no wife prospects = why work?). As a result, we are rapidly shedding essential capabilities, and when the last of the boomers die off, some of those capabilities may be gone forever.

My only point was that “lack of subject matter experts” isn’t our main problem today, thus bringing in SMEs or CEOs or investors from East Asia can’t “solve” it even if they have the noblest of intentions, which is unlikely. We have many people who could do the same things that the hypothetical Taiwanese factory owners could do; what we don’t have is the social and economic foundation to support their ongoing operations, including all the non-monetary “intangibles” that used to power the fabled American work ethic.

Their American facilities won’t be up to par with their local facilities for the same/similar reasons why our Mexican and Indian facilities aren’t up to par with the disappearing American/European facilities. But at least the Mexican and Indian facilities are cheap to operate; it will be much harder for some Chinese or Korean business to stick around in America (or any part of Western Europe).

Jimmy says:

This is very true, I think, speaking as a man currently working in manufacturing. Management bemoans the lack of 30-year employees when things aren’t going smoothly, but celebrates it when getting scored on POC (plant operating cost). In the heyday of this evil empire, a fairly competent, trustworthy, white man without a degree earned enough for a stay at home wife, a brick house to keep her in, 2 cars, and 4 children. Incentives toward technical excellence are so perverse now that it’s hard to even see the other end of the scale. Money is only part of the equation, but it’s a big part.

Engineers can no longer specialize to the degree they used to, because they have to repair their own cars on the weekends and homeschool their children. Low trust/low homogeneity have costs that ripple out in all directions.

In every industry I’ve been exposed to in my career (which is many) there’s a palpable feeling that things are just coasting down. Been that way for 20 years now. Carthage delenda est might be more natural law than propaganda.

Pax Imperialis says:

Even if Europe magically obtained war making materials, do they even have the social capacity to create a strong, disciplined, leathally trained military? In the short span of 5 years I’ve seen standards drastically fall in the US mil, and we’re still way ahead of the Euros. It took a Trumpian earthquake to just slow the decline, and Europe has no equivilant.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

What, you can’t picture the placid Swedes, Belgians, Spanish and Italians spontaneously turning into a vicious and efficient fighting force led by stunning and brave black Muslim transgendered UK generals?

Well, if that doesn’t work out, there’s always plenty of poor Eastern European meat they can throw into the grinder. Maybe it’ll turn out to be a brilliant Zapp Brannigan maneuver and those Russian drones will all shut down after reaching their pre-programmed kill limit.

Alf says:

To say nothing of the lack of recruits. There’s been talk of military draft in several European countries. No idea how that would work out. I find the idea kinda scary tbh.

Mossadnik says:

Showing up drunk and shirtless to the bomb shelter (you do have one around, right?) is not that bad, actually. It’s as great an opportunity as any to showcase one’s degenerate tattoos to local teenage sluts.

Unless it’s nukes flying over your head, in which case, well, you definitely get some extra adrenaline into that “sympathetic nervous system,” which given the circumstances might be just slightly more nervous than sympathetic trolololululuz.

(Yeah, you should probably not do the WWIII thing. If Trump makes peace with Russia, it will be in Europe’s interest to uphold that peace. And it’s absolutely in everyone’s interest that Democrats never win another election – ever.)

Karl says:

The task of such an army will be to get Europeans killed. If any Russians are also killed, the governments will consider that a bonus.

Bix Nudelmann says:

Someone talk to me, please, about why Zelenskyy and company haven’t given up yet.

“Because they don’t have to, dumbass.”

Right. I know. But they’ve amassed so much loot already, and their escape route is still so clear and unobstructed, that if it was me — and it never WOULD be me in the first place — I’d have taken the safe bet and punked out by now.

Is it because even giving up is a thoughtcrime/coordination problem, and the first one to overtly bring it up in conversation knows he’ll get skewered by the others?

But there is also that one Uke Army guy who relocated to London, and that was at least a year ago. So it’s not that no one’s done it yet.

There’s a game theory overlay/pattern to all this, and I’d appreciate a more clear-headed description of it, because if there’s anything that Trump and Putin can conspire/coordinate on to end the war, it’s helping the Kiev government give up and get away with it. If the top 1-2 layers of Kiev can get away cleanly, then (I hope and presume) there will be no one left for GAE/DC/London to threaten and boss around.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

…and their escape route is still so clear and unobstructed

I’d advise you to check your priors before overcomplicating. What escape route?

If Z gives up, if he backs down, he is toast. He is well past the point of no return. If brute force and terror are the only means you have to rule your own people, then any sign of weakness equals death.

The Cominator says:

Yeah Z probably is aware he is marked for death after the war ends, the Russians will hate him, his own people generally hate him and if he surrenders the nazi fanatics will hate him too, and to the Western globohomom trannie state remnants he will be a drug addict who knows too much and can’t be trusted.

Hesiod says:

Granted, I procured my crystal ball from a grizzled shaman who runs a used records store, but I predict the Coke Gnome will eat a bullet or brew some Jim Jones special recipe Kool-Aid if someone doesn’t whack him first. He knows he’s currently as secure as he ever hopes to be as virtually no one has any stack in keeping him breathing. Even if he slipped off to the Artic, there would be an Inuit waiting behind a pot of seal blubber to pop a cap in his ass.

The Cominator says:

Been watching Tarantino movies (I know he probably isn’t greatly liked here but I like them myself as I’ve said True Romance is probably among my favorite movies along with Goodfellas and Braveheart) lately?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMiwQqTEy9s
If he goes to Indochina I want a nigger hiding in a bowl of rice ready to pop a cap in his ass.

Hesiod says:

Pulp Fiction hit theaters when I was a grad student. Being more tech savvy than my peers, I obtained an accurate full script off Usenet, IIRC, for the film which made me quite popular amongst the hipper faculty. We watched it multiple times along with True Romance and Reservoir Dogs, critiquing his craft which still holds up. Jackie Brown failed to wow, which broke the enchantment. His outspoken libtardation doesn’t help either.

Another good film from that era in which Tarantino plays a small but amusing part is Desperado which saved Antonio Banderas from being typecast as a fag.

The Cominator says:

And is he an outspoken libtard, if there was anyone in showbiz who based on their work I would dub a greengrocer trying to appear as a true believer to avoid cancellation for some of the more politically incorrect stuff they’ve done I would rate Tarantino and Seth MacFarlane. They’ve written stuff that a true believing shitlib IMHO would never ever write or even think.

Hesiod says:

While there are parts of Inglourious Basterds I admire, particular the actor you recently referenced in a meme, the j00xploitation angle gets tedious. Django Unchained remains Django Unwatched. Steve Sailer seemed especially impressed with Once Upon a Time, so I may eventually give that one a go.

Tarantino is a credible artist, but he still took the Hollyweird ticket and has to at least pay lip service and has done so frequently. His later work suffered for that conformity.

Mossadnik says:

A true believing shitlib would never write many of the jokes on Family Guy; just think of Herbert the Pervert as a character. Seth got away with it exactly because real leftists cannot comprehend the ontological subtext of crimethink, and the fact that much of the humor is shitlib-friendly throws off their radar. Solipsists can’t meme, and don’t get memes, because blind to “inconvenient” aspects of reality.

The Cominator says:

Well the thoughtcrime with Herbert is more that hes a fag and likes prepubescents (and Chris) whereas Quagmire (the hetero pervert) doesn’t like them till their teenagers.

Mossadnik says:

Exactly so; if it were vice versa, it would not correspond to reality.

The Cominator says:

There were things I liked about Jackie Brown but god De Niro’s character was one of the biggest dumbasses ever in movies in that which made me like it less (which is sort of what De Niro turned into IRL). Still anyone who doesn’t like True Romance their great great grandmother fucked a nigger and had a half nigger kid and they are part eggplant. I think the thing that caused the movie to flop is the title made it sound like some kind of chick flick…

Bix Nudelmann says:

Couldn’t Zelenskyy at least get a guarded mansion in Florida?

A luxury dacha in Undisclosed Oblast next to Edward Snowden’s? At the end of the peace talks in Moscow (or anywhere Putin and his detail are), he and his wife just stand up and walk away with the nice men, and that’s it?

I’m not playing dumb. I’m trying to learn something.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Who would give it to him, and how would they guarantee his security, either on site or in transit?

Neurotoxin says:

I think a getaway is still within the realm of possibility for Zelensky, though it’s unlikely and becoming more unlikely over time. My take is

(1) He knows too much. Way too many people would rather that he be dead. If he’s smart he has set up a deadman switch with the blackmail material …but he has to credibly communicate that fact to literally every powerful person who’d want him dead.

(2) These are all evil people and evil people have trouble trusting each other. Maybe various relevant people have been saying, “Just retire to this one pleasant mansion with heavy security so you’re out of our hair.” Zelensky might like that idea, but he can’t trust them not to suicide him by six bullets to the back of the head.

Bix Nudelmann says:

Sad. And that’s the argument against “dacha next to Snowden’s”, isn’t it? GAE wants to get Snowden, but Russians have no beef with him. Russians DO have a beef with Zelenskyy.

The Cominator says:

Florida’s Trump country even the very rich parts he couldn’t go out in public. California maybe…

Hesiod says:

Neowalrus John Bolton has a stake in keeping the Coke Goblin around:

https://x.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1958854664834756639

Russia has not changed its goal: drag Ukraine into a new Russian Empire. Moscow has demanded that Ukraine cede territory it already holds and the remainder of Donetsk, which it has been unable to conquer. Zelensky will never do so. Meanwhile, meetings will continue because Trump wants a Nobel Peace Prize, but I don’t see these talks making any progress.

But while he trumpets his recent NPR appearance, the FBI is raiding his home and office.

This is a happening to be cautiously optimistic about.

Your Uncle Bob says:

I’d been wondering what the real deal was with on the raid on Bolton. Not that I ever liked him to begin with, I’d rather he’d been frozen out of the first Trump administration to begin with. But I’d be surprised to learn he’s done anything worse than any other business as usual player in DC, so I was wondering who threw him overboard, Trump, Thermidor, or deep state GAE.

Hesiod says:

I recall the bewildered feeling Trump must be taking that “keep your enemies closer” deal too much to heart when Bolton came on board during his first term.

Bix Nudelmann says:

I coped that way too. You’re not the only one.

Jim says:

This time around, Trump is less naive.

Bolton is a key player in the deep state, so seizing all his computer systems makes deep state information available to people we may hope are not in their pockets. Though it may get the same treatment as the Epstein files.

But, if Trump can make sure that Trump loyalists are going through the data, we may expect that all the information about what Trump’s enemies within are up to suddenly becomes available to Trump and Trump loyalists.

Because deep staters have long enjoyed immunity for criminal acts, they have become self indulgent, lazy, and careless. It is going to be a pile of stuff resembling the Hunter laptop.

If the analysis is not nobbled, I expect a whole lot of conversations of the form:

“You cannot prosecute Foo for doing bar, bar is totally normal and expected. It is just how things work.”

What! How much bar has been happening?”

Bix Nudelmann says:

“We never audited or investigated the Clinton Foundation because we just didn’t have enough people to go through it all, so… you know… bye.”
–Twitter this week

A2 says:

Clinton Global Foundation was a jaw-dropping example of government openly for sale. What happened to all that money (about $1bn I believe)? Charge it to the game for the donors, I suppose.

The Cominator says:

Obviously all these lesser funds were very closely tied into USAid. When USAid was shutdown the left lost almost all vitality. The Ukraine shilling continues (because also operated from Europe) and the groyper shilling continues (FBI has their own slush fund which hasn’t been found yet perhaps) but its anemic compared to what it was.

Bix Nudelmann says:

Jim wrote years ago is that a “civil war” is simply an act of illegality at sufficient SCALE.

Well here, we’re finding that an act of law enforcement, at a sufficient scale, is also a “civil war”, or an “insurrection”.

Sending back illegals? Civil war. Insurrection.
Counting the fucking votes? Civil war. Insurrection.
Auditing USAID magic money fraud? Civil war. Insurrection.
Busting shoplifters in Chicago? Civil war. Insurrection.

Everyone out here is getting a crash course in where the Nazis came from. Not that it worked out well for Germany, mind you, or even predictably would have exactly, but as Chris Rock puts it, “but I understand”.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Leftists are trying to incite a civil war but their Jedi mind control doesn’t work anymore. Every time Trump bulldozes another Leftist command center, the Left screams “This time it’s civil war for real!!!1!!”, and the crickets say “chirp chirp”.

Jim says:

> Jim wrote years ago is that a “civil war” is simply an act of illegality at sufficient SCALE.

As illegality scales up, people are apt to cohere under a single leader to apply it. And then it becomes readily recognizable as civil war, when two cohesive groups start fighting it out. But our enemies cohered under a leader who was senile, and incapable of exercising authority even when he was younger, and are now finding it difficult to cohere, due to an emasculating ideology, and we have cohered under a leader who is reluctant to use illegality.

If we don’t do to them what they did to us, we lose. The Republic is dead, but Trump and the people around him still suffer from normality bias, though a bullet nicking his ear clarified his mind considerably. And, as the first time around, still has enemies within, and still trying to compromise with people with whom it is impossible to compromise. The errors of the first Trump administration are considerably diminished, but are still with us.

It is probable that the seizure of John Bolton’s data will reveal a Hunter Biden style pile of dirt, but it is also probable that the people examining this pile of dirt will say “Oh, we cannot let this stuff out, the masses would not understand that it is all totally proper and legitimate.”

What actually needs to be done is take the people who were conspiring, and just drop them all into the Pacific ocean. This probably will not restore the Republic, due to lack of a virtuous elite and lack of social cohesion, but if you want to restore the Republic you have to deter illegality at scale. So you have to punish at scale, and since the judges, prosecutors, and law enforcement apparatus are prominent among the guilty, you cannot do this through the existing apparatus of judges, prosecutors and law enforcement.

Alf says:

As illegality scales up, people are apt to cohere under a single leader to apply it.

Could’ve been worse than Newsom. He seems more a ‘game the system’ guy than a ‘fight the civil war’ guy. At any rate, hopeful how the right is coalescing around a leader much better than the left.

Jim says:

Newsom is, like Hillary, ludicrously corrupt, and in bed with an army of ludicrously corrupt Democrats, and wants Trump to martyr him so that the dangerously lunatic left will accept him as leader while he takes a more pragmatic and practical course. Of course, normality bias leads him to believe that no actual martyrdom will ensue. The left can do bad things to rightists, of course, but it is entirely unimaginable that rightists might do bad things to leftists. Because nothing ever changes, so the left can escalate forever without consequences.

In China, leftism was put down rather bloodlessly, in that the leadership of the left was given suspended death sentences, and served imprisonment with hard time to near the end of their lives. Newsom seems to envisage a martyrdom that does not take him out of circulation.

Bix Nudelmann says:

What I want to know is HOW Trump Team is going to expose and “process” all this criminality, if the entire apparatus finds the very idea of prosecuting it simply absurd.

Just going public with more “Twitter files” type stuff gets the word out, sure, but it also “looks weak” because Karen, Jeet, Shaniqua and Ari still get away with everything.

On the other hand, it’s great to watch them defiantly squawk on MSNBC about “How DARE they put me on blast for being a crook, don’t they see my CREDENTIALS, don’t you know who I AM?!” That makes THEM look weak.

So… beats me what happens next, or what even can happen.

Extra late-night pizza deliveries to DOGE HQ, perhaps. The front door is locked shut, but the back door still works?

A2 says:

“How DARE they put me on blast for being a crook, don’t they see my CREDENTIALS, don’t you know who I AM?!”

That’s when you reply ‘womp womp’.

David says:

This may be completely unrelated to the original post, so I’ll understand if Jim chooses not to publish my comment. Still, I thought I’d give it a try, there’s not much to lose anyway.

How would you approach a divorce? Three months ago, my wife ended our relationship. We had been together for five years, and we’re still young (I’m 28, she’s 25). I had to leave our home (it belongs to her family) so staying wasn’t an option. Reconciliation feels impossible. There was no infidelity. Her main reason is that I don’t treat her well, particularly during arguments, where she feels I lack respect for her.

What would be the “Jimian” advice for handling a situation like this?

Jim says:

You persistently failed shit tests. Women do not want to be treated well. A woman wants to be made to serve, and if her man is too weak to make her serve him, she will move on. Should have given her a smack in the face and told her to go out, do some gardening, and stop bothering you. And when she wants to return, she should return with a cup of coffee and a sandwich as a peace offering.

While complaining that you were not respecting her, she was probably reading Webtoons where the male love interest kills the protagonists entire family, marries her at gunpoint, and the proceeds to treat her maliciously, or webtoons like “Beg, or better yet cry” where the male love interest owns the protagonist, and enjoys subjecting her to psychological torment. Women are reading this startlingly pathological stuff more and more, because they cannot get what they hunger for in real life.

Women want to serve their man, and they want their service to be appreciated and valued. But they also want to be made to serve their man, which is a shit test that gets in the way.

Enemies to lovers has always been a popular trope in female porn, but as relations between the sexes have collapsed, reproduction has collapsed, and family has collapsed, it is now reaching disturbingly extreme and pathological heights.

Bix Nudelmann says:

Women do not want to be treated well.

Grade me, but I think it’s more accurate to say that they honestly do “want” to be treated well, but actually respond negatively to it with disgust IRL.

In that, a shit test is not an “act”. It’s not a “lie”. It is a vehement, heartfelt and earnest demand for something that she’ll despise you for providing, and love/respect you for refusing.

So I’m foolishly calling out Prince of Fakes, who wrote that “Women don’t believe 99% of what they say”. They believe it when they say it, but what they believe isn’t actually true, even about themselves.

(Now light me up, fam.)

Alf says:

Would be interesting to one day understand the exact neurobiology behind such processes.

But yes, essentially you’re right. Women will say A, but want B, and to great extend is self-deluded or unaware of what she is doing, although the ease with which she will fold A betrays that she is not completely unaware. There is just some kind of disconnect that is never fully bridged.

Bix Nudelmann says:

I don’t actually KNOW any of the above, mind you, because how could I?

Rather, this is what I need to believe to not go full frustrated frothing misogynistic fury. To believe that women actually KNOW that they’re lying, and KNOW that they’re shit-testing, and genuinely don’t believe 99% of what they say, AS they’re saying it? I just can’t handle that. I can’t even hold the idea in my head and want to go on.

This stuff wasn’t so damn NAUGHTY, not long ago.

I remember black and white movies too. The heroine throws her big and EARNEST shit-testing fit at the hero, he cuts through it and passes it, the union is made and they ride off into the sunset together. And it’s FINE. It’s GREAT. Everyone is happy for everybody, because we just saw something GOOD happen. She did what she had to do, and so did he, and now new life is right around the corner. “Love Wins”.

There’s a whole moral system out there (aka 99.99% of human history), just waiting to break out of Alacatraz, that BOTH 1) doesn’t give women crap for shit testing, and even congratulates them for being expressive and “lady honest” about it, and also 2) celebrates men passing their shit tests, because it results in good things happening.

Because fucking duh, people.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Trouble here is that the term “wants” is ambiguous. We simply don’t experience the same range of mental states.

Men have convictions, women have cravings; men have ambitions, women have influences. Because of the problem of other minds, both sexes project their own thoughts and emotions onto the other.

When a woman says that she wants a man who is sensitive, or a man who can provide, or a man who treats her like a princess, it is usually someone else speaking through her. And when she goes to extreme lengths and creates elaborate shit tests to try to induce a man to act that way, it is a similar impulse to eating a whole bucket of ice cream; obviously unnecessary and self-destructive, but compelled by some instinct that felt too strong to resist.

Of course, sometimes it is impossible to identify where that influence is coming from, and it seems to come from nowhere at all. For that I refer you to the story of Adam and Eve – and the Serpent. If it’s not another live human whispering “you deserve more” in her ear, it may as well be some ancient demon; real or metaphorical, doesn’t matter.

Bix Nudelmann says:

“Women want fried ice.” –Arab joke

Neurotoxin says:

it’s more accurate to say that they honestly do “want” to be treated well, but actually respond negatively to it with disgust IRL.
In that, a shit test is not an “act”. It’s not a “lie”. It is a vehement, heartfelt and earnest demand for something that she’ll despise you for providing, and love/respect you for refusing.

It’s obvious from observing women that they have no have no fucking idea what they want in a man, much of the time. It is also true that sometimes they are doing to coldly calculating shit test thing, because they sometimes explicitly admit it. If you hunt around for quotes you can find them. (Typically they actually use the word “test” in these confessions.)

When I was single I got to the point where what angered me is not so much the shit tests, but the occasional doubling down when I’d pass them. I’m like, “We just did that one.” When I pass your fuckin test, stop wasting my time.

David says:

I do agree with you, I have failed many shit tests and this is the consequence.

In my defense I will say that her shit tests were not easy to pass and I did my best. It is not easy to stand your ground when you live in the property of her family. Also, passing some shit tests would have implied doing things that would have qualified as “abusive” in her group of female friends. I think I treated very well, prioritise her (maybe too much) and sought her advice at many times.

Well, at least I am young to try again. Lesson learned.

Jim says:

Shit tests never are easy, they were created to separate men from the boys, but each one you pass it gets easier, and each one you fail it gets harder.

One requires the spirit of an outlaw. It helps if one has monsters within. I have some natural advantages, but despite that I failed two shit tests that had terrible consequences for me.

Cloudswrest says:

On the subject of sex, has anybody else noticed that all forms of illegal (heterosexual) prostitution is now referred to, by both media a law enforcement, as “human trafficking”? I started noticing the terminology switchover maybe ten years ago. It’s gotten to the point of being absurd. There was a news article not too long ago where law enforcement did their periodic public sweep of massage parlors. They then published mugshots of the proprietors, and stated the women (“victims”) were referred to counseling. The so called “victims” are usually 30-40 year old illegal alien Chinese hookers.

While I’m not a fan of Richard Hanania, he published a tweet today which states essentially the exact same thing I noticed a decade ago.

https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1958537640657002546

Mossadnik says:

Yep. Similarly, as I’m fond of saying, when they bust a “child sex trafficking ring,” there is usually no child, no sex, no trafficking, and no ring. Every word is a lie intended to conceal female misbehavior.

By the way, Hanania is my second favorite Christian Palestinian after Bukele, which proves that I’m not a genocidal zio-maniac, so there. (Lol.) (Actually I don’t really like Hanania, but occasionally he makes good points. I think he urgently needs to get laid with a biological female.)

Handi says:

I noticed that in the early 2010’s. The UN defined “human trafficking” in 2000 and Google n-grams indicates it was never used before then. Given that it’s a progressive neologism it must be an anticoncept .

Demonizing heterosexual prostitution for men is a convenient side effect. The insinuated Taken-style sex slavery (i.e. kidnapping biologically adult women into a rape brothel) is not real and makes no sense as a business model given the eternal supply of willing female prostitutes. The main purpose of the anticoncept is to vividly misdirect from what modern sex slavery actually looks like so that people will refuse to believe it when they see it (NGO counselors leading a 10-year-old Guatemalan boy through the airport in broad daylight).

Jim says:

> Also, passing some shit tests would have implied doing things that would have qualified as “abusive” in her group of female friends

Hey, I get that shit test all the time. I just laugh.

“Why are you hurting me?”

“I enjoy hurting you.”

If you accept that you are lower status than her female friends, she is going to move along.

I have “abused” her right in front of her group of female friends, and they all giggle.

Aidan says:

It is extremely hard for me to put into words, because if I am not a natural at picking up chicks, I am a natural at handling a woman in a relationship. When I get the gut feeling that I am being disrespected, I call her out on it. If I get shit tested playfully, I respond playfully, and usually hot sex ensues, but big time shit tests that give you that gut feeling of disrespect need to be nipped in the bud. But I come from a race that viciously avenges disrespect and it seems that most men experience it as “hot” or temperamental anger and not a cold knife in the stomach type emotion that pierces you to the core, so maybe it is hard to tell when you are actually being disrespected.

It is a very hard emotion to suppress, so it’s easier for me to get scary when I need to get scary, than to let it go, and different women have different levels of scary necessary to tame them. I have very rarely needed to escalate to what would be considered rayp and abuse, but when I did so, it was entirely appropriate and solved the problem. And I can think back on more times where I chickened out of what needed to be done, when in hindsight would have been entirely successful.

Nikolai says:

Light violence works very well if the woman unquestioningly sees you as alpha. Can still work to correct the course if she’s in the beginning stages of losing respect for you.

But if you’ve been consistently failing shit tests for weeks or months, physical violence is the most counterproductive thing you can do. She’ll simultaneously view you as a pathetic sniveling beta and a horrifying abusive sociopath. You’ll get the downsides of both personas and the benefits of neither. See Christopher Nolan’s Insomnia.

Also can’t help but notice you said 5 years of marriage but didn’t mention any children. She probably would’ve shit tested you less if her biological purpose was fulfilled and she was preoccupied with childrearing.

Jim says:

Women get restive when time goes by and there are no children. They start looking for some man who will give them children if they are consciously aware of needing children, or some man who will make them have children if they are resisting this conscious awareness.

Yul Bornhold says:

“Should have given her a smack in the face and told her to go out, do some gardening, and stop bothering you.”

Sort of. If you do violence and it comes off as cope, for example if you seem tense and scared while doing it, that’s not passing the shit test. You have to seem laidback while doing it. Rarely, you can get visibly angry but, if you get angry too much, then your anger will come off as beta to a woman, even in situations where a man would think it entirely justified.

Maybe, if you’re General Butt-Naked and you regularly tear out your enemies’ eyeballs, being angry all the time won’t come off as beta. I think man in state of civilization has to be more self-possessed.

In regards to “not respecting her in arguments,” I’m imagining a situation where David tries to pass shit tests the wrong way. For example, I know one couple where the man likes to eat at restaurants. The woman thinks this is financially irresponsible. Makes her very unhappy. Now this particular man has no idea how to pass a shit test but let’s suppose he were to try passing the test by brushing it off. “Whatever, babe.” or “It’s just money.” Or suppose he tries agree and amplify “True. I’ll probably end up eating us into the poorhouse. You’ll be Olivia Twist.” You can see, to some women, how this might feel like the man is dodging the issue, i.e. hiding, i.e. beta. The actual way to pass this shit test would be to crunch the numbers with her. That’s “listening to her” and “respecting her.” Whereas, in this case, hitting her would just come off as lashing out from a position of insecurity (beta.)

Sometimes, shit tests are just to see if a man can keep his cool or if he’ll let a woman walk all over him. Sometimes they’re from a deeper female fear, and those need a different kind of reassurance.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

The actual way to pass this shit test would be to crunch the numbers with her. That’s “listening to her” and “respecting her.”

This sounds suspiciously like a recommendation to debate with a woman using logic, which women are impervious to. I am extremely skeptical.

Show us an instance where the man has actually successfully resolved a shit test this way, as opposed to an instance where you think it would or should.

Yul Bornhold says:

I’ll cite Heartiste: https://heartiste.org/2014/06/18/value-shit-tests-vs-comfort-shit-tests/

When a woman is seeking sexiness, her unrehearsed interrogation will take the form of value filters. The value shit test is a test for male aloofness, state control, abundance, coolness, and social acumen. When a woman is seeking security, she’ll prod for signals of attainability and seriousness. The comfort shit test is lethal to newbies because they don’t recognize it before it’s too late, and because this shit test can sound *exactly* like a value shit test. But the context in which it is delivered is everything.

If woman needs signal of seriousness, don’t spam aloofness.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

If woman needs signal of seriousness, don’t spam aloofness.

Yes, however, I don’t think you’re following the correct or intended definition of serious[ness] here.

Seriousness means investment. Yes, you’ve established that you have your own mission in life and don’t need her, but she still has to know that you actually want her. Yes, you’ve established that you have other options, but she needs to know she’s your #1.

Monogamous marriage is, in theory, pretty much the end of all seriousness-testing. Although it is definitely possible for husbands to neglect their wives, especially physically, it is far easier and more common to err in the other direction and be too weak/needy. If a wife really feels neglected, she’ll usually state her complaint outright (e.g. “don’t you find me attractive anymore?”) whereas vague complaints like “you aren’t there for me” are mostly just shit tests. Even the classic “do you love me/tell me you love me” is very, very dangerous territory where a man needs to tread very carefully.

In any case, trying to debate logically with a woman isn’t a signal of investment, even if she is testing you for that, and there’s little indication in the OP’s narrative that his wife was testing him for that.

(If she tried to talk to him about having kids and he responded to that with “go make me a sandwich”, then I might call that one of those extremely rare instances of being aloof at the wrong time.)

Jim says:

Aloofness is weaselling out of a shit test — which is often the safest and easiest course, but women can still smell you wiggling out. It is often a good pass, often a not very good pass, and sometimes a fail.

The modern female revolt against their reproductive impulse is itself a shit test. They long to have it forcefully squelched. “A woman’s right to choose” is a shit test that our society fails. They don’t want you to be aloof to their reproductive potential.

Neurotoxin says:

“The actual way to pass this shit test would be to crunch the numbers with her.”

No.

If you feel compelled to address her stated financial concern at the literal level – and that’s a huge “if” – just say “I’ve checked. We’re fine. Now shush, woman!”

Jim says:

A shit test is never about what it is supposedly about, so directly addressing the words that come out of her mouth will get you nowhere fast.

Neurotoxin says:

Indeed. So a better response than the one I said before would really just be “Shush.”

Oog en Hand says:

(no copypasta)

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/adult-conversions-to-catholicism-in-us-estimated-to-be-at-20-year-high

I think a large part of these believe in perpetual virginity and latin mass.

Karl says:

Why do you think so? Latin mass is getting very rare.

Mayflower Sperg says:

In the USA, Latin-massers are the only Catholics with above-replacement fertility. When Vatican II declared that Catholicism was not the unchanging word of God, Catholic churches emptied out around the world, and nine months later, so did Catholic maternity wards.

Traditional values remain strong there. When an LMC couple left their son and slightly younger daughter with our play group, they sternly warned the boy to make sure that nothing happened to his sister.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

A Catholic shill site quotes a Catholic blogger claiming that conversions to Catholicism increased to what is essentially a rounding error relative to the US population? You don’t say!

Next you’ll be informing us that water is wet, birds fly south in the winter and that all of this proves mariolatry and perpetual virginity are totally cool.

Oog en Hand says:

How do you defeat Roman Catholics without outbreeding them?
(Because outbreeding them is next to impossible)

Daddy Scarebucks says:

I don’t particularly care about “defeating” Catholics because they tend to fall into one of two camps: either blind followers of the Serpent Christ (the vast majority), who aren’t going to be outbreeding anyone, or the tiny minority of genuine “Trad Caths” with boners for Latin mass, who do have above-replacement fertility as MS says, but demographically are still a rounding error, as I said.

And the Trad Caths are constantly bleeding off into the Serpent Christ worshipers, similar to how Orthodox Jews are bleeding off into Reform/Progressive. Unlike, say, the Amish, or Muslims, or LDS to a certain degree, who all have excellent retention, a lot of the supposed Catholic fertility is illusory due to memetic attrition.

And if this rounding error of a Muh Latin Mass minority somehow manages to breed themselves to even LDS levels, without being consumed by the Serpent Christ, well then good for them. I don’t much care one way or the other. We’re a long way off from intra-Christian sectarian holy wars being any kind of credible threat, and an even longer way off from material fertility-driven demographic shifts in the absence of a based state religion enforced from the top down.

Guys like Adam Piggott who are willing to stand up and denounce the current “Pope” as a heretic are alright in my book, even if they’re purple-pilled at best when it comes to women. I just tire of the insipid boasting of the Trad Cath “movement” anons in online forums, congratulating themselves for the most trivial (not to mention, difficult to verify) of achievements and claiming they have all the answers. They’re as insufferable as the Jehova’s Witnesses.

Oog en Hand says:

“They’re as insufferable as the Jehova’s Witnesses.”

Relevant difference: the Wager of Pascal.

Hesiod says:

What does Pascal have to do with perpetual virginity? The ancient pagans all around the Mediterranean Sea had beliefs concerning virginity, sexual abstinence, and the sacred. Two Greek goddesses off the top of my head who were considered perpetual virgins were Athena and Artemis.

The idea Joseph remained blue-balled so Mary could fill that pagan void is absurd.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

I don’t get it either. Seems like another instance of trying to sound wise by quoting someone else who was wise, even if it’s a non-sequitur. Or just more bot-posting.

And regardless of any steelman we could dream up, the wisdom of Pascal’s Wager is highly questionable. It’s deploying the same trash tier of logic in favor of Christianity that lefties like to deploy against it with arguments like “if God exists then why is there evil”. The kind of argument that assumes its premises to be indisputably true, and that you can only accept if you already agree with all those premises.

Pascal was a bright guy but his Wager was probably his worst work, and remains the template for all manner of destructive leftist ideas including the Precautionary Principle and various “Harm Reduction” policies.

Mossadnik says:

Matthew 12:46-50:

46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.

47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

That reads like an explicit rejection of Mariolatry.

Fidelis says:

It’s deploying the same trash tier of logic in favor of Christianity

No, it is telling the parable of the mustard seed in a language math nerds can understand. Lo and behold, Von Neumann heard, and converted when he felt the pressure of death on him.

S says:

You can’t appeal to Pascal’s wager to tell you which denomination is the True Faith.

Jim says:

> You can’t appeal to Pascal’s wager to tell you which denomination is the True Faith.

Christ is King and high priest, and any denomination that accepts that is true, and any denomination that substitutes its own authority is false.

Obviously scripture needs to be interpreted and applied, and mortals need a tradition to help them interpret and apply it. But this does not give any bunch of celibates authority to blow off scripture and substitute their own authority. The doctrine of perpetual virginity comes from Origen, who was for a thousand years widely believed by Christians to be a sexual deviant, and from the blatantly fraudulent proto Evangelium of James, which falsely claims authorship by James the Just, brother of Christ.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

No, it is telling the parable of the mustard seed in a language math nerds can understand.

Maybe it was once effective for that purpose, but if so, I think it has long since outlived its usefulness. I have met many “born-again” types but never a single one who cited Pascal as their inspiration. I have met countless atheists and have never seen a single one swayed by that argument. I have, however, observed many modern memetic mutations of the principle, all to humanity’s detriment: Precautionary Principle and Roko’s Basilisk are two that everyone should recognize, and they actually are influencing people today, and they are the exact same logic fitted to different priors.

I personally do not believe that faith should be or can be subjected to conventional logic, but if I am debating with someone who does, then I know he is not going to be swayed by Pascal’s “logic”. He is just going to say “appeal to consequences” and wave it away. If one is going to try to mount a logical defense of some faith (a futile effort IMO, but considering it for the sake of argument) then one should at least make an effort to avoid glaringly obvious logical fallacies and observably false facts, lest one permanently drive away more intellectuals than one could ever hope to persuade.

Math nerds don’t need the parable of the mustard seed. Math nerds can understand the parable of the crab – convergent evolution. This wasn’t available in Pascal’s time, obviously, but it is available now, and it is a more effective tool than antiquated fallacies.

A math nerd can’t be made to believe. Spirituality comes from the heart – or not. But a math nerd can be made to understand that said beliefs correlate so closely with the rise of civilizations, and secularism correlates so closely with their fall, that it is virtually impossible to deny causation outright. So the math nerd will say “ok smart guy, then explain the cause, prove it is not spurious correlation”. And then you can explain the red pill to him, the connection between Christendom and Patriarchy, and between Christendom and Social Cohesion/Cooperation via Evolutionary Game Theory, and between Christendom and the economics of debt and moral hazards, because that is all just logic and math.

That is how you get through to a math nerd. Pascal’s Wager will get you nowhere.

Alf says:

You can’t appeal to Pascal’s wager to tell you which denomination is the True Faith.

Exactly so. Pascal’s wager argues that it is somehow rational to follow [unfalsifiable claim] because it promises [unfalsifiable eternal rewards] to those who follow and [unfalsifiable eternal punishment] to those who don’t.

It’s dumb and tells us nothing about the validity of any such claim. For example, note how Pascal’s wager is nowadays a favorite among greenies, who argue that one must believe in anthropogenic global warming as the reward for stopping it is so huge, and the punishment for not is literally world-ending.

Aidan says:

I like the Latin Mass. Feels like God is there with you. Beats any other church service. Only thing holier imo is standing on top of a mountain watching birds of prey ride the updrafts.

Hesiod says:

I recently observed four eagles which flew in a circular formation of three with the alternating fourth patrolling in a wider path, all moving east to west. Not hard to feel some sympathies with the ancients who sought wisdom through ornithomancy.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

I do think the Latin Mass is (on balance) a positive sign for a church and a positive experience for many if not most of the laity.

Just bored of Cath-Shills touting it as the be-all and end-all of the Christian faith; heretical beliefs and heretical actions transcend the already fragile boundaries of language.

Oog en Hand says:

The boundaries are not fragile at all for normies. If you point out that, on Christology, there was little or no difference between Alaric, Geiseric and Wulfila on the one hand, and Al-Waleed and Al-Mutawwakil on the other hand, normies won’t believe you because kebab.

Or, that Asterix and Obelix are not that different from e.g. Chandrasekhar Bose and Adityanath Yogi, they glaze over because tandoori.

Thirty years ago, when I explained to someone AT COLLEGE, that Roman Catholicism is intermediary between Judaism/Islam and Hinduism/Buddhism, he was flabbergasted, because of the “exotic” nature of Dharmic religions (AKCHUALLY, Church Latin is closer to Sanskrit than to Hebrew).

Mossadnik says:

Oog, I have absolutely no idea what any of this means.

Keep up the good work.

Hesiod says:

Perhaps he’s found the Philologist’s Stone.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Perhaps he’s found the Philologist’s Stone.

I think you’re actually close to the bullseye. At least, he *thinks* he’s found it.

My conclusion is that Ooga Booga is a word-thinker and therefore, in his mind, everyone else must be too. He cannot conceive of the possibility that most communication is nonverbal, and that neither reality, nor imagination, nor even human expression care one iota about the momentary constraints of language. Thus, Latin Mass has the magical power to fix every problem with modern mainstream Christian practice, just like learning a formalized Greek dialect has the magical power to fix every problem with modern mainstream Christian theology.

It’s another “hail fellow right-wing Christians” act, similar to Anus’s “reality is whatever you can imagine” act, but changed slightly to “reality is whatever you can write in a book”. And he posts in truncated riddles instead of explaining himself clearly in order to make this sound wise and profound instead of an insipid and hackneyed premise.

Alf says:

He cannot conceive of the possibility that most communication is nonverbal

I always assumed Oog has some minor schizophrenic tendencies. Wouldn’t be the first schizoposter we’ve had here. Which is not to take away from your analysis.

Beow says:

I agree with this. Even the novus ordo liturgy is superior to anything I have experienced in a Protestant service. Even if Protestants get the content right they still fail on the packaging. Sitting around in a new, ugly church under fluorescent lighting while Pastor Dave raps at you about Jesus was the result of a terrible misstep somewhere along the way.

f6187 says:

I think a large part of these believe in perpetual virginity and latin mass.

I don’t understand how anyone affirms the perpetual virginity of Mary in light of Matthew 1:25. “But he [Joseph] did not consummate their marriage until she [Mary] gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.”

Paul advises married couples “do not deprive each other,” except on a few temporary occasions after which they get right back to it. Joseph and Mary did not deprive each other.

Neurotoxin says:

The term “state religion,” in a Jimian sense, seen in the wild:

Chris Bray uses the term here:

“Democrats win seats in the state legislature by saying PLANNED PARENTHOOD PLANNED PARENTHOOD PLANNED PARENTHOOD. They honor the state religion, and chant its liturgy, so they govern.”

Oog en Hand says:

“So what if your child can get pharmaceutical products without your knowledge and consent, parents — your 12 year-old can already get secret abortions and secret STD treatments, so what’s the big deal? If her lover beats your middle-schooler, you’re not gonna know that her doctor had to suture her up, so whatever. Reptiles in human form. Horrible people.”

https://chrisbray.substack.com/p/gavin-opens-his-freak-show-to-the

Red-pilled about female sexuality. PP just happens to be black-pilled about Western Civilization. Xhe does not care, or xhe WANTS TO destroy it.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

And how, exactly, are they red-pilled about female sexuality?

I can’t wait to hear this one.

Oog en Hand says:

loli = slut

Oog en Hand says:

“Er si sud nee tnup poraaw dleweg ed egine erablaah gew tiuroov tkjil. Ki lefjiwteb fo eid ekjilretsnom wuorv eid tdroowtna: “Ed revegtew tfeeh ed traak dneketeg” tioo nee palk ni raah thcizeg tfeeh negerkeg.”

A comment from the same blog. I don’t give the English original, or too much of the translation because that would be “copypasta”

Alf says:

Going out on a limb, posting in reversed-letter-order Dutch won’t win you any favors either.

Oog en Hand says:

Here the English original:

“So there is a point where violence seems to be the only viable path forward. I doubt that monster woman answering, “The legislature drew the map” has never been punched right in the mouth.”

Do you understand the usefulness of Hctud? It is easy to forbid the use of PGP.
Also, “I doubt that” could better be rendered by “I wonder if”

Jim says:

You are entirely out of date, PGP has been rendered irrelevant by events. Current methods are not so easy to ban, and because PGP has become irrelevant to anything our rulers would want to ban, they are not going to ban it.

Jim says:

I am sick of you posting in foreign languages You are going on moderation for reasons stated already far too many times. It is a security hole, because people are going to hit google to translate it, and get logged as readers of this blog.

You subsequently translated it, but you should not have posted it the first time.

Oog en Hand says:

“You can’t appeal to Pascal’s wager to tell you which denomination is the True Faith.”

Unless you know that Jehovah’s Witnesses DO NOT believe in eternal damnation. They are at the same level as Village Atheists on this issue.

FrankNorman says:

“You can’t appeal to Pascal’s wager to tell you which denomination is the True Faith.”

Because there’s all these different denominations, anon, and unless you pick the one that has everything exactly right, you’ll land in Hell just the same as if you were an Atheist!

Except that’s simply not what most denominations teach, at all.

Mossadnik says:

Fedo-reddit counter-point:

You already disbelieve in the vast majority of religions, and going from that to disbelieving in all religions is no great stretch.

CHECK MATE FUNDIES

(I don’t actually hold that view, but it’s basically the flip side of Pascal’s Wager.)

Jim says:

Observed behaviour is that everyone believes in a religion. And it is considerably sillier to believe that men and women, blacks and whites, are interchangeable than to believe that Christ rose from the dead.

Mossadnik says:

I agree with that. Indeed, that’s why some fedoraists, upon witnessing the ever intensifying madness of the Left, found their way to internet communities such as manosphere, white nationalism, alt-right, and NRx. However, the faction now calling itself “Secular Right” is not very Christian. Of course, it’s a small faction disproportionately constituted by faggots, but alas, they’re there.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

I think there’s a mixup here, probably because Ook-Ook broke the threading and started a new comment, and also has a habit of leading off with random quotes without being clear whether he’s trying to amplify or argue against them. To recap what happened:

– I posted a comment that the TradCath anons often remind me of Jehova’s Witnesses (by reputation), i.e. in the sense that they’ll interrupt any event or conversation in order to preach, and won’t leave you alone no matter how many times you politely or not-so-politely inform them you’re not interested.
– He replied with some baffling and opaque reference to Pascal’s Wager.
– Another poster (not me) replied that, and I’m paraphrasing for clarity, [even if one accepts Pascal’s wager as an argument], it only “proves” that God exists, it does not tell you which denomination or necessarily even which major religion has the correct beliefs.
– Ooga then, in a new thread, somehow mashed up these two separate posts addressed to him into a single argument, which no one had made, and responded with another counterargument, which no one cares about.

The logic here is something to the effect of “Pascal’s Wager can apply to Catholicism but not Jehova’s Witnesses because the latter don’t believe in eternal damnation.” This might be correct–I don’t know the details of what the JW believe and don’t particularly care either–but it’s just irrelevant.

I’m reminded of Scott Adams’ “two movies” metaphor: there is some sort of pre-scripted movie playing in his head, different from the real-world conversation; in this movie we are merely actors who tend to flub our lines, and when that happens he’ll continue as if we said the “correct” line, with the end result being an extremely confusing series of non-sequiturs.

Jim says:

> there is some sort of pre-scripted movie playing in his head, different from the real-world conversation; in this movie we are merely actors who tend to flub our lines, and when that happens he’ll continue as if we said the “correct” line, with the end result being an extremely confusing series of non-sequiturs.

Yes, that is conversation with Oog en Hand. Now on moderation for persistently posting in foreign languages despite being asked to stop. But I will also disallow unresponsive responses.

FrankNorman says:

“Oog, I have absolutely no idea what any of this means.”

I think I understood pretty much all of it…. which is not the same thing at all as agreeing with any of it.

Mossadnik says:

Not saying it’s total gibberish, but the noise-to-signal ratio here is too much.

Occasional obscurantism is fun, but if basically every comment leaves one thinking, “Dude, what the hell do you want?”, that doesn’t make for a pleasant or fruitful reading experience.

TheDividualist says:

Let’s test whether I understand the WQ correctly or some remnants of the purple pill remain.

Women simply can’t help but worship authority. For example, Muslim women are far more fanatical about following the Quran to the letter than Muslim men, and often use the authority of the book – meaning, the authority of God – to undermine the authority of Muslim fathers and husbands.

Western women do this stronk independent act, but that is merely a pose adopted because the authority they worship – college – told them so. Investigate any stronk independent woman and you will find she has a father figure in her life who quietly approves of her choices. It can be something as simple as one email per year with an old teacher or mentor. But without it, she would feel very insecure.

The WQ then is not whether women will submit, but to whom. Our ancestors knew it when they denied the vote to women, you cannot have a republic whose voters are not suspicious enough about the government. Women voters are dangerous, in fact free women are dangerous because there is no telling whom they will submit to, and when they do so they become the perfect slaves.

Male feudalism is not like that, there is always some amount of freedom left after an oath of fealty, and men always know that the possibility of rebellion is not zero. Every system is in some sense a democracy: you can’t piss off your own soldiers, and keep ruling. King Louis XVI learned exactly this, when everybody in the army from senior generals to enlisted men hate you, well, then it is over.

Women should submit to someone who loves them, which should be a husband who is backed up by a King who is backed up by God.

But even Muslims can’t do that these days, so our chances are not good.

When I try to even hint at the problem in Austria, I am always told that constitutional rights are sacrosanct, and questioning them is not even protected speech, because constitutions should be able to defend themselves, otherwise Nazism happens.

Now, here comes the maybe purple part, I am not such a huge believer in “demon lovers”, General Butt Naked. I think it is just when a man gets away with pissing others off and not getting punished, a very old monkey instinct kicks in in women, and they think he is the top monkey. But idea of human nature is cooperation, and when good men cooperate to punish GBN women learn quickly that he is not top monkey. This is the entire idea of the human species, we learned to talk because the too anti-social ones were stoned to death. Human nature is making your case to 30 pissed dudes with rocks in their hands. That is GNON’s first law, I would say. This is not some modern social technology, it is stone age hunter-gatherers. Even prehuman species, like homo habilis. Any not insane society, meaning the most primitive tribe of hunters, hangs GBN and then women will not want to fuck men like him. There is nothing more ridiculous than a failed alpha. There was something truly ridiculous about Saddam Hussein or Slobodan Milosevich at court… The beta man who submits willingly to a leader, to a state, to a King, and obeys social rules, keeps more of his dignity and rank…

Daddy Scarebucks says:

For example, Muslim women are far more fanatical about following the Quran to the letter than Muslim men, and often use the authority of the book – meaning, the authority of God – to undermine the authority of Muslim fathers and husbands.

Unless I’m badly misinformed on the current state of Islam, I think the purple-pilling started all the way up here.

I don’t think women “worship authority”, they just follow it and want to follow it. More importantly, a Muslim woman who tries to out-holy a Muslim man is likely going to find herself beaten, stoned and beheaded, in that order, unless she learns her lesson in time.

If there’s some epidemic of Muslim women undermining the authority of Muslim fathers and husbands, I’m not aware of it. Islam has 99 problems but a bitch ain’t one.

Jim says:

Your confidence in Islam is ill founded. While old type Mohammedanism has far more faithful and far more power than old type Christianity, by and large Islam is converged to post modernity, and Mohammedan men are losing control.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

I would have thought it self-evident that I was referring to Islam as practiced in the so-called “fundamentalist” regimes like Saudi Arabia and Qatar, not the converged progressive Islam being practiced in North America and the UK.

Taliban Islam, not CAIR Islam. If we’re not talking about real Quranic, abrogationist, Mohammedan Islam, then TheDividualist’s second paragraph doesn’t make sense to begin with because it’s not the Quran that women are “fanatical” over, it’s western feminism and revisionist interpretations of Islam.

Jim says:

> I would have thought it self-evident that I was referring to Islam as practiced in the so-called “fundamentalist” regimes like Saudi Arabia and Qatar

Saudi Arabia is thoroughly feminist, post Mohammedan, and converged — just not as converged as so called Christian countries. I don’t have information about Qatar.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

The beta man who submits willingly to a leader, to a state, to a King, and obeys social rules, keeps more of his dignity and rank

Sure, and that’s why it’s safer and easier to be a beta, and why most men are beta.

But it doesn’t make pussies wet. Being imprisoned for serial rape and murder, that makes pussies wet, despite having been subjected to the power of the mob and/or a higher authority. Saddam was probably drowning in poon until the very end.

Fidelis says:

Comitting a serious crime and living afterwards is getting away with it. Dividualist did explicate that you hang the severe antisocial cases, not give them free housing and meals.

I agree with his point on this. If you wigger out, and no one beats you to a pulp or worse, this is status building to the retarded foid hindbrain. It doesn’t matter if all the men ostracize you, only being the target of violence actually leads to a lower status.

Bix Nudelmann says:

You have spoken the actual truth. Only being singled-out and beaten down by a better-organized group of guys can work. Because nothing “icks” like LOSING.

In some countries with much less crime, the cops catch a culprit, tie him up, and let their aggrieved victims come beat them up with sticks and batons, before any “trial” or whatever.

In very related news, some Karens find that The Fire is rising and The Resistance is gaining strength, this time outside some bar in Rhode Island:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Grke390Fyes

Watching these bitches lecture the cops like that helps me understand Covid-19 a whole lot better.

Bix Nudelmann says:

They needed a whole roll of paper towels to clean the back seat after that one.

Hesiod says:

“But I have the ring of power!”

“Good for you, now get in the backseat, Galadriel.”

Karl says:

People like Saddam are not the problem. He had enough discipline and smarts to rule a country.

The problem are savages without impulse control. If there are too many savages, the lights go out and civilization ends. A man like Saddam can keep the lights on.

Mossadnik says:

Female liberation leads to a high divorce rate (around 50% in the US, for instance), and that no doubt hampers fertility. With the age at first marriage on the rise, and the marriage rate itself in decline, when a high divorce rate — driven by women, who overwhelmingly initiate divorce — is also added into the equation, above replacement fertility (at least among the civilized races that practice monogamy) becomes rather difficult.

No civilization has yet survived free female mate choice.

Jim says:

> when good men cooperate to punish General Butt Naked women learn quickly that he is not top monkey.

Yeah. But we are not cooperating to punish General Butt Naked. I keep seeing these videos of judges and prosecutors springing General Butt Naked for murder after murder. And in the unlikely event that he is sent to prison, he is treated respectfully at every stage of the process.

He needs to be smacked around, and women need to see him being smacked around.

We not only need a whole lot of capital punishment, we need to kill people in a way that is public, undignified, amusing and entertaining. This would immediately result in a huge increase in the supply of pussy for normy men.

The Cominator says:

I have suggested public floggings and stocks for first time petty crimes with more serious offenses and repeat offenders being publically hanged or depending on the nature of the offense worse than hanged in public squares. Execution days should be set for days with good weather, have live danceable music, open or at least very cheap booze served (obviously no hard drug use tolerated in the “execution ball” area but old fashioned drinking and smoking permitted) and maybe a formal wear requirement. Women would be horny as hell for ordinary men…

The Cominator says:

Should we have execution day be a holiday every few months called for the first friday of X months with good weather, with drinks dancing talent contests commercial booths like at a festival etc.

Note I generally don’t favor this for the mass of leftists they should in most cases just disappear and it should be more akin to Night and Fog.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Not only are we not punishing General Butt Naked, but capital punishment in and of itself doesn’t quite register on women’s radars, and for evidence of that we can point to when capital punishment was still operable and inmates on death row were getting the same estrogen-soaked love letters as inmates who’d gotten a mere slap on the wrist, maybe even more so on account of the obvious gravity of their crime, the scale and intensity of violence implied.

Sure, once the gang of betas actually kills him stone dead, then he’s no longer a problem, because the SMV of a dead man is zero (and if there’s some nuance to that, I’d rather not know). But a man merely sentenced to death? Still totally hot in a woman’s book.

Only public humiliation actually severs the attraction, and I consider this an important distinction. Men banding together to punish or kill a tyrannical alpha is an important aspect of evolutionary game theory but it has not much to do with the red pill; seeing one General Butt Naked put to death isn’t going to stop women from having the hots for other “men like him”, as the original post implied. But if a man is publicly humiliated instead of being put to death, such as public floggings or the stocks, then he generally ceases to be attractive.

Public executions also don’t act as some sort of indirect deterrent that stop women from being attracted to men who are “like” the executed. What they do, however, is radically raise the status of the men participating in the execution and to a lesser extent the men playing support or audience roles, because those men are all carrying out an act of extreme violence.

So for petty criminals, the only tool needed is public shame; for hardened criminals, you have to remove them from the gene pool entirely, and in doing so, the people providing that service to society gain a little bonus for themselves.

The Cominator says:

And to raise the status of ordinary law abiding males there should be festivals with dancing and music etc on public execution days.

Alf says:

Yes, remove public humiliation rituals for law abiding citizens, bring them back for criminals. And bring back laws that remove the bottom percent of criminals from the gene pool.

Anon says:

there are this “memo” from a blog called third way that tell democrate to avoid using certain words
“These words say “I’m more empathetic than you, and you are callous to hurting other’s feelings.”

Privilege
Violence (as in “environmental violence”)
Dialoguing
Othering
Triggering
Microaggression/assault/invalidation
Progressive stack
Centering
Safe space
Holding space
Body shaming
Be aware of words proliferating in elite circles that have closed off open conversations and have made it uncomfortable for many people to engage in hard topics.”

i am confused , is this how the left organize each other ? some unknown blog release a note about what should they say and shouldn’t and everyone fall in line.

is this distributed system of control. there must be someone who sat down and thought what words to say and not to say, and everybody accept this ? and follow suit.
it is very hard for me to understand how the left work, seemingly despite there apparent hate of authority and command , they move in lock step like someone with remote control in central command pushing button, but why it is some unknown third rate blog put a memo and everyone follow. if it the new york times it is understandable , but it is not.

Jim says:

Third way is a Nazi movement run by the CIA. But they are not running the “I hate women and Joos more than you do, fellow white male hater, and by the way Musk is a Joo, Trump is a Joo, and Bitcoin is a Jooish plot by central bankers” script. They are running a brand of leftism that is openly leftist, and have always had ambitions to become the leading edge of leftism. Leftism is always reinventing itself, and right now there is serious debate within the left on what direction is next.

When the final decision is made, and I don’t know if it has been made yet, everyone is going to fall into line. But what you are seeing is probably debate, rather than a manifestation of the final decision.

The Cominator says:

I think the FBI is running the hail fellow nazis script because Fuentes appears to be an FBI asset.

A2 says:

Have another sip of toxin, dear Yookes. “First group of Gaza children to be brought to UK ‘in coming weeks'”

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c30z17376ego

henckel says:

[*Pass the moderation test before you post an anti-muslim comment under handle 1*]

Jim says:

The subtle difference between our position and the “hail fellow straight white male” leftist parody of our position being that the parody position is that our fellow straight white male just wants to harm group X because he wants group X to suffer for no reason he is willing to explain, nor willing to notice anyone else explaining, and our position being that human thriving requires some tough choices that certain groups are going to strenuously object to.

Oog en Hand says:

“The Church has always considered celibacy to be the most appropriate way of life for priests, the deepest reason for which is the conformity of the priestly life with the life of Christ.”

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/fr-heimerl-priestly-celibacy-is-an-indispensable-gift-to-the-church/

How long before LifeSite succumbs to Serpent Christ, fully submitting to the Jesuits?

Mossadnik says:

“He that is able to receive it, let him receive it” (Matthew 19:12) does not mean that eunuchism or celibacy, in and of itself, confers bonus holiness points.

The revealed behavior or fruits (heh) of the serpentine cult show that many of those claiming ability to receive it, were and are not in fact able to receive it.

Mossadnik says:

Britain is the homeland of the Anglos, whom I consider to be the master race, at least when it comes to that little thing called “creating civilization.” I may be a kike nutcase, but in my opinion, Trump — if he is able to, which is a big “if” — should help organize a coup or regime change there. If no regime change in the coming years, its native population will likely be dispossessed by infinity Mohammedans, Hindus, and such.

Does anyone trust “””democracy””” to deliver that regime change?

Blake says:

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Fidelis says:

Don might want to organize something like that at home before worrying about our cousins across the pond.

The Cominator says:

As globohomo has a major center in British intelligence and the foreign office it would help DJT at home if he took that base away from them no? Given the amount of discontent in England and how poorly the regime is armed (it mainly relies on its surveillance apparatus and its cultivated reputation as a totalitarian terror state) it would not take too much effort to cause the whitehall regime to topple and install English nationalists.

Fidelis says:

“Which head of the hydra should you cut off first?”–

The one most likely to bite you first. Let the reader decide the full intention and meaning of the metaphor.

yewotm8 says:

I have been to Scotland and England in the last year. There is a huge sentiment towards removing the invaders, but not yet a sentiment that young British women are putting themselves out there for them. Axe girl exemplifies this. Nobody sees a young woman shit testing particularly hard, they see a girl protecting herself and her sister. The Overton window has moved towards making the island safe for British girls to be whores for British men only. If they were to achieve that, I don’t see them staying there, as the momentum gained from successfully implemented remigration would be a large testosterone boost for the nation, but there is a risk. Either way, that’s where the momentum is, and is the most conductive path towards restoration of the nations as a whole.

On the subject of power: Across the west, people are coming down with large cases of Democracy Fatigue. Online discourse from Britain’s most based facefags is that “the authorities have to deal with the migrants before they lose control of the situation”, phrasing their threats in the same way as leftists. Perhaps this is useful, because it’s a language that the current regime should be able to understand. But like you, I’m not convinced that matters. The obvious solution for the UK is for the King to dissolve Parliament and take direct control, but which King? It is more likely that the King himself is relieved from his duties due to his failure to protect his realm and Defend the Faith. I don’t know the exact situation in the British Army, but likely they just need to be given permission by the Americans to do it.

This would be also be helpful for Canadians, as the de jure authority of the Canadian state comes from the King. The necessary break our Faggot Occupied Government would have to make with the mother country, even though just symbolic, would undermine whatever scrap of sovereignty they have left. They’d be forced to formally declare us a republic, but then what would differentiate us from the USA?

Contaminated NEET says:

Globohomo: illegally import a replacement population numbering in the millions, use lawfare to stymie any attempt to reverse or even pause this, implement blatant 2-tier justice system, jail anyone who speaks out against their program. All this is still going on right now, in Britain and yes, the USA too.

Patriots: Make youtube videos complaining. Go to jail. Mutter darkly about civil war real soon.

As always, the Right talks big and the Left acts big.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Powerful, incisive commentary… for the year 2019. Now stale enough to make out several distinct mold colonies.

Even if this weren’t being posted against a backdrop of Alligator Alcatraz and record low border crossings, your framing is all misleading and wrong, as if to imply that the “right” and the “left” have been equal players on an equal footing and the “right” just refuses to act, or doesn’t have the balls. But the history of the immigration scam is not one of right and left, it is one of rulers and their subjects.

And once you grok the nature of the “conflict”, such as it is, as a disparity between the powerful and the powerless, then the historical outcomes are so obvious and so inevitable that it is ridiculous to imagine it could have gone any other way. For millennia, rulers have always forced their subject populations to eat shit, and the subjects have always eaten it with a smile and grumbled and snarked once out of earshot. Things are only changing now because the balance of power has started to shift, albeit glacially.

Jim says:

> Jail anyone who speaks out against their program. All this is still going on right now, in Britain and yes, the USA too.

Nuts.

Not happening in the US now.

What we are seeing instead is shilling with a much broadened Overton window, and social media algorithms are still rigged to downrank anything outside the window and uprank the shilling.

Contaminated NEET says:

I really hope you and Daddy Scarebucks are right. I see a lot of bluster from Trump and Co., but no society-changing action on anything like the scale the Dems accomplish routinely. Maybe they’re laying the groundwork for big moves soon – they say they are – but I’ll believe it when I see it.

USAID was great, but it was just one of the enemy’s thousand tentacles, and progress seems to have stalled out. Deportations are cool, but so far we’re looking at something like 300k per year when the enemy brings in 3 million per year.

Neurotoxin says:

Zero or negative net migration now, per official sources.

– – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
Let me explain something to you. It is entirely obvious that you are a (paid or freelance) demoralization shill. You’re about as subtle as an elephant dressed in day-glo doing a cannonball into a pool.

Contaminated NEET says:

Oh please.

We’re in a car together, but we want to go to different places, in opposite directions. We switch off driving every hour. While I’m driving, I go 75 mph down the freeway, toward my destination. While you’re driving, we go 10 mph on the shoulder toward my destination, and sometimes you even stop the car entirely. One time, you actually put the car in reverse and went toward your destination at 3 mph. Where are we going to end up?

Jim says:

That is the nothing ever changes argument. And if you look at events from 1820 to 2024, indeed, nothing changed, except stuff just got lefter.

But where is this destination of which you speak? It is The Seven Kill Stele

And who are these drivers of which you speak? The problem has always been that both drivers wish to arrive at the Seven kill Stele, but one is in a bigger hurry to get there.

And then as the final destination comes in sight, ordinary people start thinking about getting out of the car, and members of the elite start thinking about shooting the drivers.

Suppose tomorrow morning, Candadian Healthcare drops the the voluntary Euthenasia pretence, a pretence that has already become transparently thin, and starts just setting people on fire and tearing them apart with red hot irons? Would this problem be resolved by elections, laws, budgets and all that? Obviously not. They would vote that Canadian medicine was underfunded, and needed more funds and regulation. If elections, laws, budgets and all that are the only thing thinkable, then forever progress towards such great medical advances as pouring gasoline over people and setting them on fire is inevitable, and Canada is likely advance to such advanced healthcare in a few years. Look how far Canadian Medicine has already advanced, while the possibility of voting it out remains beyond possibility or thinkability. If it has advanced this far in this time, how long will take to advance to The Seven Kill Stele? Not very long.

If politics continues as normal, we will soon be at The Seven Kill Stele.

Is politics continuing as normal? Obviously not. As the final destination comes in sight, people are starting to get unruly.

I was watching a you tube video on Disney driving away its audience, and the speaker made the point that the people writing and directing Disney movies hate the audience, and anything they can do to give the audience a shittier day, they think that is a good thing. That is leftism. So, what is more leftism? More leftism is when they pour gasoline over your children, set them on fire, make you watch, and then remove your eyes with hot skewers so that it is the last thing you ever see.

The final destination is coming in sight, the smiling mask is falling off. When they created Covid, they intended it to kill everyone. When they created the jab, they intended it to sterilise everyone.

Reflect on Canadian healthcare, British healthcare. The government loves you so much it will take care of your health. Then the government forbids anyone else from taking care of your health. Then the government does not take care of your health. Then the government starts killing off sick people for being inconvenient.

And of course, as long as normality continues to be normal, it can only get worse. But the point where if it continues to get worse, everyone dies, is now starting to come in sight.

Trump’s measures on immigration are significant. Zero illegals incoming matters, and net migration outwards matters, and matters a lot, but they are tiny compared to what is needed, and tiny compared to the changes already made in a short time by the ever more radical left.

But those measures do not matter. What does matter is the new abnormal: Trump’s measures on Harvard, the Fed, USAID, and many others.

Once we have tanks in Harvard, the formerly impossible will suddenly become possible. It turns out you can just suddenly clean up the streets, can just suddenly put a stop to big city crime. These things have been impossible since 1840-1850. Suddenly they are possible. You can just do it. How many other things will be revealed as stuff that can just simply be done?

Jim says:

Neet. here is Asmongold taking a victory lap, after shutting down a government propaganda video game.

Suddenly, they are weak and scared, and our guys are strong and unafraid.

Normalcy still holds you think? This is not normal. The enemy just broke, ran, and hid. It has always been us hiding. I am still hiding, and intend to continue to hide, a model I recommend as I observe the Ukraine war drifting a way from hurling massed manpower into the mouths of massed cannon, to individual spies, saboteurs, and drones finding the locations of individual drone operators, and spies and drones taking out drone operators one on one. Civl war is going to be fought with everyone hiding.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

While I’m driving, I go 75 mph down the freeway, toward my destination. While you’re driving, we go 10 mph on the shoulder toward my destination, and sometimes you even stop the car entirely.

This is a good analogy in the abstract, albeit less parsimonious than the old aphorism “one step forward, two steps back”. But, once again, it is not the correct analogy.

You are describing the “pendulum” model of politics, the normie republican model of politics, in which the balance of power supposedly see-saws between two loci of partisan legitimacy, and one of the parties just happens to be extremely ineffective. To make an analogy, this is the political equivalent of the solid sphere atomic model; it has some explanatory power, but it overlooks many key details and is entirely wrong on some.

The truth, and this goes back to Moldbug and is stuff you really should already know, is that America has had one and only one ruling coalition since the 1920s, and arguably since the 1860s. There is no lopsided give and take equation, there is only take with occasional pauses and detours to maintain stability. The Bushes did not interrupt this ruling coalition. Ronald Reagan did not interrupt this ruling coalition. Nixon actually came close to interrupting it, was making loud noises about interrupting it, and we all know what happened to him.

The year 2024-2025 (starting from election day) may not have the outward appearance of a sudden, violent coup where everything changes radically overnight, but make no mistake, it has huge historical significance. It is the first time since 1920 that there has actually been a real split in the ruling coalition, that split being between the Woke/Progressive factions and the Trump/Thermidorean factions. But it was a soft coup, and soft coups play out much slower than hard coups.

The questions that are not important right now are “is Trump making the right moves”, or even “is Trump moving fast enough”. It is frustrating to have to say that, but it is the truth. The important questions are “can the Trump/Thermidor coalition maintain power” and “can the Trump/Thermidor coalition hold together” [and if not, then what are the consequences of an inevitable split between the Trump and Thermidor factions].

If the shark stops swimming, it dies. If the Trump (+whatever) coalition is able to hold onto power for long enough to stop the left-singularity, then the left dies. If the left dies, there will be all the time in the world to implement more radical coup-complete changes. Which doesn’t mean that the Trump+ coalition will do so, or will do so effectively, but the point is that we aren’t actually there yet anyway. We are still in the “bootstrap” phase. The system cannot do much while it is booting up.

There is not, and has never been during any of our lifetimes, an objective criteria on which we can judge a ruling right-wing coalition, because there has never been a ruling right-wing coalition. Even now, the very best we have is a struggling, fractious, center-left coalition that is only barely able to assert executive power, and is drifting somewhat right as it searches for solutions to the cascading failures of declining fertility, declining productivity and declining stability and social cohesion.

You are still thinking like the virgin voter, in terms of politics and platforms. You need to start thinking like the chad warlord, in terms of power and loyalties.

Contaminated NEET says:

I actually agree with much of this, but I notice that all the good stuff, all the winning, all the saving the nation is always just over the horizon in the nebulous near future. What actually happens now is a few heartening but woefully inadequate actions, which are ultimately likely be nothing but hormesis for the Left. There are no tanks in Harvard yard. Has Trump taken steps toward tanks in Harvard yard? Sure, but so far they have been minuscule. We’re not even 1% of the way there.

The Leftist singularity is approaching, and we are circling the drain faster and faster, so yes, the unthinkable will become more and more thinkable over time. So far though, normalcy still holds. Whatever’s going to happen, it hasn’t happened yet, and nobody knows when or if it will. Talking as if it has happened and we won, or it is happening and we are winning, is ridiculous.

Jim says:

> I notice that all the good stuff, all the winning, all the saving the nation is always just over the horizon

The people who have been poisoning video games just broke, ran, fled, and hid. Musk’s coup against USAID silenced an huge amount of the most obnoxious shilling. Those are pretty big and important wins.

A whole lot of stuff is still in play, the battles are ongoing. But the enemy has suffered some major defeats of substance. I scolded our latest shill for pussyfooting around on in the shallows on one tiny little Soros scandal, but if that one gets prosecuted, and those people start facing fines and imprisonment on a few million, then they can bite on the next billion. If you can expel one illegal, you can expel them all. You may well say that what is at stake in any one of these many battles is not in itself world changing, but the enemy are losing these battles, and if they go on losing them, it adds up to being world changing.

Firing Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook is not tanks in Harvard, but if he can just fire Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook, he can just put tanks in Harvard.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

The Leftist singularity is approaching, and we are circling the drain faster and faster

And here is where I wonder if Neurotoxin had a point earlier, because this statement is a lie.

I’m not confident enough to say we are in full reverse, but we are absolutely decelerating at the moment, not accelerating. The current ruling coalition, however weak and incohesive, has slammed on the brakes. We are not “circling the drain faster and faster”. If we are still circling the drain, we are circling it slower and slower.

Can that be interrupted, and returned to a state of “faster, please?” Absolutely, if the current coalition fails to hold power or fails to hold together long enough to use it effectively, which is what I said earlier. But claiming that we are still, as of right now, accelerating toward the left-singularity, is simply lying.

And while the “left-singularity” idea also has some explanatory power, it is not a perfect model either. Leftism doesn’t really have its own gravity; the metaphorical gravity is in the memes that possess leftists, their holiness spiraling. Without power, and without motion, it dies. We do not need to achieve “escape velocity”, only approximately zero velocity, at which point the so-called singularity simply disappears and loses whatever attractive force it had. Full stoppage is very achievable, and while full stoppage is not going to fix everything overnight (and I’m sure you will whine when it doesn’t), it makes previously unthinkable solutions thinkable, and makes all those fixes possible.

You are complaining that all your problems haven’t been fixed yet, but those fixes aren’t possible yet, because the nascent ruling coalition hasn’t consolidated power yet. It’s disingenuous to label this as a “just over the horizon” promise because it isn’t a promise of anything in particular; I have no idea if the Trump/Thermidor coalition will successfully consolidate power or, if they do succeed, how they will ultimately rule. I’m simply telling you how to look at the pieces on the game board–how to read the map, so to speak–and to put away foolish notions of democracy and “political reform” because it doesn’t work that way, that’s a map to a magical fairytale land that never really existed.

Varna says:

The guy filming the axe girl turned out to be a Bulgarian, likely from the Turkic minority. Edit: nope, looks on the vid like imported diversity who has assimilated into Balkan life.
https://fakti.bg/en/world/996669-12-year-old-girl-brandished-a-knife-and-an-axe-at-two-bulgarians-in-scotland

He claims it was a pack of four girls who chimped out at him and harassed his sister. Note his absurdly straightforward explanation of events: “since by local law here in Britain I am not allowed to slap some sense into them, I therefore…”

Oog en Hand says:

You all do know there are Muslims in Bulgaria that are descended from native Slavs, and therefore, not Turks in the strict sense of the word? They are called Pomaks.

Jim says:

Your comment provoked a shill post — Like many previous shill posts it concerns a group of Irish chicks, one of them armed, who allegedly confronted a migrant who was allegedly sexually harassing hem — I.e. reacting as chicks are officially supposed to react to sexual harassment. I don’t believe it. I find the migrant’s version (that his sister got into a chick fight with these chicks) far more believable. And regardless of whose version is true or false, making this incident into a poster girl is enemy action. Migrants sexually harass women all the time, and there must be a huge number of incidents on which the evidence is far more clear cut. Why make this incident into the great right wing cause?

Human nature being what it is, violence and the threat of violence is far more likely to happen when an man reacts to a migrant hitting on his girl. The nature of man is that there have to be a whole lot of real incidents of that natural form, and very few incidents of the alleged unnatural form. So why is an incident that runs contrary to human nature, whether the incident be real or invented, the poster girl incident?

Why Capitalize? says:

because the woked out cucked out democracied out western man needs a viscerable revolt level excuse they can rally behind before they get up off their ass.
they dont have daughters or wives because theyre all out working for the left and fucking niggers.
they need that one last white gangster hatchet girl, because SHE is their daughter, their daughter that is getting RAPED. and if you didn’t notice, it is the RAPE GANGS that are the ONLY thing that the WHITE BRITS are out in the street about. NOT TAXES, NOT POLITICIANS, NOT MIGRANTS, NOT WARS. Well, except for the millions of RAPEY VIOLENT ASSHOLE migrants taking them over… its the RAPE they can’t handle.
Making hatchet girl into POSTER is exactly the right thing for the right to do if it wants to motivate its collective manhood to act. NO men have ever been raised into actual action via any blog, or any philosopher on a soapbox, EVER. But this one girl did it OVERNIGHT, fake or real or whatever the circumstance, that is the necessary IGNITION, it is now moving.
You love rape, your feral women love to be raped by whatever race is strongest, and you dont like people raping your girl, well now you have cause… so go rape your women back into the kitchen, and push back out and kill all the Imports and Pols that have been raping you and your collective daughters and wives for decades.
Don’t be stupid, aggregate the underlying problems, and capitalize on the moment.

Jim says:

> Making hatchet girl into POSTER is exactly the right thing for the right to do

Allowing this blatantly obvious shill post through because making an argument — albeit the argument is the one that was no doubt pitched at Disney for “Miss Marvel” and “the Acolyte”

We will not defend our women unless they are our women. Hatchet girl, whether real or a fabrication, is strong independent empowered woman who don’t need no man.

I don’t wanna defend her, and if I don’t, no one does. If you want to fight Islam, only men like me will do it, and I am not going to do it for hatchet girl.

I passed that shit test once. Not worth it. Failed it too many times. We need a hero, not a heroine. Look what happened with Disney Marvel’s efforts to manufacture a following for heroines. This is an enemy operation, pumped by the same ideology that thought that “Miss Marvel”, “She Hulk” and “the Acolyte” (lesbian witches in space) would put bums on seats. Its purpose is to woke out and cuck out men. If the incident is real, it reminds every man of the shit test from hell that he could not possibly pass, and was not worth it even if he did pass. I can do “the Handmaiden”, though it is mighty stressful and not much fun. I cannot keep up with General Bucknaked.

If you are trying to build a movement on this poster girl, you are trying to build a Star Wars franchise on the Acolyte, and a Marvel Movie franchise on Miss Marvel and She Hulk.

The Miss Marvel etcetera posters went over like a lead balloon. It is all astroturf, and no real turf ensues.

Any action to solve this problem has to be inspired by men defending women who are in a proper relationship of submission and ownership, by men defending what they rightly own. We need heroes, not bitches.

“The Acolyte” could not put bums on seats, and Hatchet Girl is not what is needed to create a movement. The message is “Defend strong women for female independence”. “Help our women to administer the shit test from hell to Muslims” Western man is cucking out because he is just not going to defend strong women for female independence. Western man has hit on too many chicks like Hatchet Girl. Too many women cannot be satisfied by anyone less than General Bucknaked, which is why single women overwhelmingly vote for importing terrorists. We have all met Hatchet Girl already, just as we have all met Miss Hulk from the HR Department. Or at least all of us who have tried cruising for chicks while wearing the Big Bad Wolf persona have met Hatchet Girl.

Miss Marvel did not sell, and Hatchet Girl is not going to sell. We have been burned before, and we are not going to be burned again.

We have seen that movie poster before, and did not go to the movie. We have all had that shit test before, and most of us, most of the time, failed it. If hatchet girl is real, she voted to import General Bucknaked, and then went out looking for him. Everyone knows that in their testicles.

The people who are pumping this poster are telling themselves that men like me are a tiny toxic minority, which is what they said when they working on the Miss Marvel posters.

The left can’t meme.

Hatchet girl is the left trying, and failing, to meme. That is what reveals it as fake right astroturf. You can detect leftism by its incompetence and its tin ear. We know them, but they do not know us, they refuse to know their enemy. Hence Hatchet Girl and the Disney movies. The Star Wars fans did not show up for “The Acolyte”, the Marvel fans did not show up for “She Hulk”, and the right is not going to show up for Hatchet Girl. Surprise surprise.

The left can’t meme.

Whether Hatchet Girl is real or a fabrication (and it looks very much that she is a fabrication) we have all met her in real life, and we all know what she is looking for, just as we have all met She Hulk in real life.

The left can’t meme.

She Hulk reminds us of far too many bitter angry cat ladies who have hit the wall and are angrily lashing out at every male for being infinitely beta and far below herself, and Hatchet Girl reminds us of far too many hot young chadettes who are cruising for General Bucknaked and not finding him anywhere.

The left can’t meme.

Been there, done that, you tried to sell us the tee shirt, and we did not buy it.

Every man knows in his head that Hatchet girl voted to import Islamic terrorists, and knows in his testicles that she was out cruising for General Bucknaked. And since he is not General Bucknaked, and pretending to be General Bucknaked is too stressful, his testicles tell him to forget about Hatchet girl.

The left can’t meme.

This poster is dead in the water, and only fake right shill is going to bother pumping it, and the reason he is pumping it is because deep in delusion. You are getting likes from Thermidor, and only Thermidor, and the reason they are issuing likes is because they hope to con the real right into signing up with Thermidor, not because actually moved by this poster. Musk has a team filtering prospective concubines, and Hatchet girl is not going to make it to the casting call.

The left can’t meme

You cannot meme because we know our enemy far too well, and you do not know your enemy at all. Recall Disney’s ludicrously absurd plan for winning back the their despised and hated male audience.

The reason I censored this meme on sight is because it is so obviously and blatantly a fake right meme cooked up by the same kind of people who are working on Disney’s plan to win back the male audience, people who hate, despise, and do not comprehend, their enemy. No man with functioning testicles is going to be taken in by Hatchet Girl.

The left can’t meme:

Here is how to do this meme correctly: Muslim grossly hits on some man’s girl. Girl shit tests him with the “rejection but keep on ploughing” shit test, which is also a shit test for her man: “Hey, alpha male, aren’t you going to defend dasmel in distress from another alpha male?” Muslim passes his shit test with amused indifference. Her man then passes his shit test with flying colors.

Bix Nudelmann says:

I passed that shit test once. Not worth it. Failed it too many times. We need a hero, not a heroine.

Which shit test do you mean again?

The Hatchet Girl shit test? “Either disarm me or it’s the friendzone for you, faggot”?

Jim says:

> The Hatchet Girl shit test? “Either disarm me or it’s the friendzone for you, faggot”?

Exactly so.

Trouble is that even if you pass that shit test, she is going to enjoy it so much that she is going to run it another time.

Pretending to be General Bucknaked is just way too high stakes. You are always going to face shit tests, and they are always going to be hard to pass, but some involve more actual danger than others.

Alf says:

Pretending to be General Bucknaked is just way too high stakes.

Totally, any man learning game gets to a certain point where he realizes: ‘holy moly, these chicks really just want me to be a serial killer.’ Big part of the learning process is accepting that there are limitations on what shit-tests you ought to pass.

Axe girl’s axe is a shit-test indeed, that is the right frame. Low chance some immigrant will pass it, much like there was a low chance that the English passed Joan D’Arc’s shit-test, but it is very important to call it out for what it is. A woman tests for male strength, does not matter to her which side the male strength is on, and when she finds it, she submits.

Varna says:

Oog, this is a good faith, face-value reply concerning the ethnic and religious groups of South East Europe.

When we open a map of Europe circa 1800, there is no Eastern Europe, because the nations there have been at the time incorporated into three different empires centered in Turkey, Austria, and Russia. https://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/1800/index.html Also some north-east chunks belong to Prussia.

The mostly Germanic-descendent western whites conquered the world, the mostly Slavic-descendent eastern whites got conquered by western whites (Austria, Prussia), other eastern whites (Russia), and white asiatics (Turks). Western whites were colonizers, eastern whites were colonizees.

The Southern part of EE belonged mostly to the Ottomans, roughly for 500 years, with ebbs and flows around the edges, at the borders between neighboring empires. Around the end of the 19th century and the start of the 20th century, the eastern white decolonization process begins, *which historically precedes the darkie or yellow* decolonization process.

The Balkans are the first place that starts gradually pushing out their overlords, the Turks in their case, and using the newfound sovereignty to instantly go at each other’s throats. Hence the term “Balkanization” was formed, and used by old-school commentators to this day. The Balkans were the first eastern whites to start getting countries of their own, because at the time the Ottoman empire was the weakest one.

By WWI of course it no longer mattered which *continental empire* is weak and which is strong — they all collapsed. Only the *oversea empires* survived intact, but just for another generation until WWII, after which their process of dismantling was also set into motion.

Anyway. During the half-millennia during which south-eastern whites did not have countries of their own due to being part of the Ottoman Empire, their region certainly experienced not only cultural, political, and economical changes, but also ethnic changes, because when you are part of a huge land empire, inside which internal genetic drift is constant, albeit at sub-modern speeds, it inevitably affects you as well.

The Ottoman Empire covered a) North Africa, b) The Middle East, c) Turkey and parts of the Caucasus, d) South-East Europe, at times surging all the way to Vienna and Poland, at times retreating back to the Balkans and south Ukraine. Thus, the components for genetic drift between the various internal components of this empire were varied. That’s not counting the habit of old-timey land empires to suddenly pluck up a whole national group and either move them around inside the empire, or exchange them with another group they actually want from a neighboring empire, or exterminate them, or disperse them and hope they assimilate and disappear peacefully.

But minor genetic drift happened as well, so if today a researcher stumbles upon a village in North Africa with Slavic genes present, or a village in the Balkans with Saudi genes present, this would not be some amazing mystery, but simply the result of internal population circulation within a huge intercontinental land empire of the oriental type.

These minor genetic accidents aside, today’s South-East Europe used to be made up, until very recently, before globalization, of three major ethnic components: 1) Slavs, 2) Turkic people (or Albanian equivalent), 3) Roma darkies.

The religious and cultural heritage of these three would go as follows: 1) Slavs — mostly Orthodox Christians, a minority of Mohammedan converts from Ottoman times, with the exception of Bosnia, where they are not a minority; Turkic/Albanian people — mostly Mohammedan; Gypsies — split between Christian or Mohammedan, with one prevailing depending on region. The Christianity of gypsies is not necessarily Orthodox, as post Iron Curtain crash, they became a favorite target group of evangelicals, with considerable success.

If someone already knows that Mohammedan Slavs exist as a sub-group in South EE, that’s great. This is not common knowledge. Non-ironic bravo. Yet outside Bosnia, they tend to be tiny minorities, including the Pomaks in Bulgaria, and the majority of Mohammedans in Bulgaria will of course be from the Turk minority (8% of the population), or gypsies (4% of the population). The pomaks are about a hundred thousand all in all.

Now we reach the young swarthy gent who recorded the altercation with the celtic chavettes. Both Slavs and Turks in south EE, including Bulgaria, tend to be lighter skinned, with the gypsies being the darkies. The gent is quite swarthy. He is not Slavic, at least no more than 30% if any. His name is the bigger giveaway. No Slavic nor indeed Turkic EE would be called Ali Dubana (unless possibly a stage name). This simply doesn’t happen.

Even in Central Asia, due to them being part of the Russian empire for so long, they would be called Dubana Aliev, or Ali Dubanaevich, but not the starkly foreign Ali Dubana. In Bulgaria itself, no Turk, no Gypsy and no Pomak would be called Ali Dubana. Even if they’re called Mohammed Abdel Shavarma, they would be “Mohammed Abdelov Shavarmaev” or some such.

It is mentioned he is from the city of Kazanlak. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazanlak#Population The ethnic composition is 85-6% Bulgarians, another 7-8% Turks and Roma, and the rest is “others”. This gent in my opinion clearly belongs to “others”.

Why he has crosses tattooed on himself in spite of the non-European name, is an interesting question. I jumped the gun calling him a Turk, again, thanks, Oog. Unless he converted away from islam and parades this conversion, which can be a bit of a death sentence, the more likely answer is a heritage coming from some arab-christian minority group from a place like Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, etc.

Keeping in mind, that during Cold War 1, Eastern Europe was in the anti-colonialist and anti-zionist camp, sending weapons, advisors, and doctors into the middle east (and elsewhere) and in turn importing students from these places, it’s a 50-50 chance how this man became a Bulgarian raised in Kazanlak. Maybe he himself is fairly recently imported diversity, or maybe he is second or even third generation assimilated local, with everything starting back in commie internationalist times.

Soko says:

[*standard shill content deleted*]
I am desperate to save girls from getting raped by muslims.[*standard shill content deleted*]

Jim says:

> raped by muslims

A long time ago I was hanging out on the bloody borders of Dar Al Islam. It was unsafe, because there was a barely repressed low level civil war going on. I was with a crew of Christian locals to keep me safe. And we went to a bar, where my presence was somewhat cramping their style, for they were attempting to talk in English for my benefit. To my surprise, a crew of white women came into the bar, late twenties, early thirties, so I wandered over to their group, and asked them what they were doing in this place. I had not seen a white woman in quite a while, let alone a fertile age white woman, let alone a hot fertile age white woman.

Well they were going on a do gooder mission to deliver tech goodies to poor people who did not have them. And they were going to go from this disquietingly dangerous predominantly Mohammedan place to an extremely dangerous place, a wholly Mohammedan area where the writ of the central government did not run. A place where the locals did not have tech goodies largely because local merchants would be robbed if they attempted move goods around, so it was hard for the locals to sell their excellent stuff to the outside world, and hard for them to buy tech stuff from the outside world. Much of their stuff was really good and I would have really liked to buy it in large quantities and export it to the west, but it would have been far too dangerous to do so.

I told this hot all female crew of late twenties, early thirties chicks that I would never go there, because I would probably be kidnapped and held to ransom. Their eyes glittered and their cheeks flushed.

Some time ago a female tourist was staying with me the bay area. She was just visiting America briefly, and would leave America shortly, and wanted to see the sights, but I had work to do, so I gave her a map, prominently annotated with what the Bay Area Tourist bureau will not tell you. “Stay away from these areas or you will be robbed and raped”

Not very long thereafter I got a call from her asking me to pick her up from near the center of the area that I had marked as most dangerous, because she was stuck there because all her money and papers were inexplicably and mysteriously no longer on her.

Some time ago I … I have quite a lot of these stories. If you look at the tourism statistics, rape tourism is a major economic activity — not as big as male sex tourism for cheaper and better quality whores, but comparable. Probably bigger than male tourism for virgin wives, which is pretty big.

All rape charges are false, because women who are actually raped seldom complain unless the rapist chickens out.

We need to go back to the old definition of rape — rape is not sex that the woman did not consent to. It is sex that the parent or guardian did not consent to: e.g.”dating”. The postmodern definition of rape does not accurately map reality.

Why did Tamar get off on the prostitution charge? Because she tricked her guardian into consenting.

The Bible tells us to not abduct women, but it also tells us to not rescue abducted women. What is offensive to Gnon about rape tourism is that the rape tourist returns from her little adventure to the office to resume her career being a strong empowered independent woman who don’t need no man, and winds up dying alone (because she aborted any inconvenient byproducts of rape tourism) and being eaten by her cats, while the male sex tourist is apt to get burned out by whores, and winds up importing a virgin on a marriage visa — the passport bros.

It is not going out to get raped that is offensive to Gnon, it is the returning home. Hence the prohibition on rescue.

This is why so many women are so passionate about abortion. If you really don’t want women “raped” by Mohammedans, ban abortion.

Ryan says:

Our girls ARE raped by muslims in Europe. They aren’t going to dangerous areas, but danger has come to them as they are surrounded by foreigners and predated on as they go to school. It’s low level tribal warfare, with both violent acts and rapes to establish dominance and improve the genetic fitness of the group that is actually fighting.

This still fits with the model of patriarchal property. The fathers need to actually protect their daughters until they can marry them off.

Jim says:

> Our girls ARE raped by muslims in Europe.

And what group in the population votes by overwhelming majorities to keep the gates open and the walls down?

> They aren’t going to dangerous areas, but danger has come to them

Single white women overwhelmingly voted for this, and continue to overwhelmingly vote for this.

Men vote against their women being raped. Women vote for more rape. Anyone who understands women knows exactly why.

We try to protect the women in our life, but they do not want to be protected and one really has to put one’s foot down.

Married women vote for this considerably less, but only out of respect for their husband’s authority.

The problem with rape narrative being pumped by the shills so industriously is that it carries the payload that women are angels, and that Islam is a threat to the precious, precious, white value of strong empowered independent women who don’t need no man. Female emancipation is a shit test that we failed, so of course they are looking for men who can pass it.

All women are like that. The only difference is that some women have a man in their life who can pass it.

yewotm8 says:

On the interwebs lately, I don’t often see anything resembling the narrative that women are angels. It’s taken a turn towards “rape and murder of native European women by brown Mohammedans is acceptable because they voted for it; they deserve it”. Obviously it’s not acceptable, and that suggestion is so beyond the pale that I feel it must have shill origins. I have taken to labeling the proponents of this idea feminists for implying that the votes of women carry any weight whatsoever, and stating that this is all the more reason for White men to curtail the freedom of women, remove the offenders, and protect our property.

The only retort they have is to call me a simp, which only serves to confirm my shill suspicions. But I see so much incel misogynistic rhetoric (literal women hate, born from a lack of understanding of the differences between men and women, expecting women to behave like men and becoming frustrated when they do not) that I can’t help but feel that at least some of it is real and not funded. And if it were funded, who would be funding it? Who would be able to commit just enough thoughtcrime to fund shills that make demoralized incels hate their own women for reasons that one can’t say under their real name?

Mossadnik says:

If there is indeed such an astroturf campaign, Soros is a likely culprit. Whose driving motive is it that the West be destroyed by infinity third worlders, who is also a big fan of astroturf campaigns? That fucking demon kike and his whole network. However, while manufacturing turbo-incel content whose payload is “The West should be surrendered” sounds like a pretty desperate measure, which is a super positive sign if that’s actually what they’re up to (it shows Soros and company being afraid of the Global Coup often discussed here), but also, at least some of it is likely to be authentic – men have it pretty bad these days.

The Cominator says:

Nah
1. Soros was a bagman for USAid.
2. Not only is USAid defunct at this point but according to Elon Musk Soros himself is non compos mentis.

Mossadnik says:

Does that mean that we’re officially done with the Soros shills? I’m not entirely sure that the whole thing has been dismantled, but it could be. Clearly there are shilling operations going on even now; also clearly, inceldom is a major phenomenon, and incels who aren’t reactionaries of some kind (and who aren’t too far sighted or reasonable) might genuinely think, “The bitches made their bed, let them lie in it.” Inability to form a stable family, or even just get laid consistently enough, following ever worsening female misbehavior (the result, in large part, of the Sexual Revolution), makes some men unwilling to defend the whole thing. Some even embrace Islam or at least aren’t particularly bothered by it, because in their view, Islam couldn’t be any worse than what we have right now. Obviously the enemies of the West, be it Soros or anyone else, would like to exploit that sentiment. However, that would require them to notice certain forbidden patterns, which Progressivism doesn’t normally allow. Hence the suspicion, assuming there actually is such a astroturf, that a Global Coup is in the works, and that the Cathedral or “managerial class” (bunch of demoniacs) is getting scared.

Jim says:

> Does that mean that we’re officially done with the Soros shills?

I have not seen any Joo Joo Joo shilling for quite a while. “Gas the Jews, Trump is a Jew, Musk is a Jew, Jim is a Jew” So looks like it.

All the shilling I am getting now is “look at this horrible offence committed by a shitskin immigrant or a trannie”. Looks really based and right wing, but then I check out the link, and the event is always being filtered through a leftist lens that denies racial and sexual differences. It is always a link to leftists who are in the right hand edge recently widened overton window, but are well and truly in the overton window and are putting a leftist frame on the event. Much as the Joo Joo Joo shilling was strangely unable to notice any bad things done by any identifiable evil powerful Joos, in particular unable to notice anything Soros was up to, the Thermidor shilling is unable to notice biological differences. They use the phrase “Deus Vult” to mean that God wills strong empowered women and racial equality. They are now posting links to the most recent murders committed by trannies, which sounds mighty based, except for a strange inability to notice any relationship between the crime and the fact that God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them, much as the Joo Joo Joo shills were strangely unable to notice any bad acts by Soros.

In a recent prominent trannie mass murder, the trannie told us in his manifesto that he was going to get his rocks off by killing schoolchildren, because drugs and surgery could not make him a woman, while it had irreversibly destroyed his capability to be a man. Which is pretty based. It was an incel schoolshooting by a gay incel. How, you may ask, can a gay possibly be incel? Well, gays want to be banged by manly men, and manly men do not want to bang gays. And all the shill links erased the major point of the manifesto — the recognition that he was not a woman, just a man with man boobs and axe wound between his legs.

The Cominator says:

The FBI/nazi/groyper shills and the Ukraine shills (and the “based Catholicism” though that one is not so directly politically offensive its negative effects are far more subtle) are the main remaining shilling operations. Left wing shilling overall has decreased to a trickle of what it was.

Mossadnik says:

Yes, the USAID coup definitely decreased the shilling, but some remnants of GAE-in-Exile remain. Perhaps they now do most of their shilling in languages other than English, so English speakers aren’t exposed to too much of it, but I don’t believe that we’re completely out of harm’s way on that front. Globohomo obviously still has some networks. They probably won’t go down without a fight of some sort, in which as usual astroturf campaigns (not necessarily this one specifically) will play a part.

Anyway, if what Yewotm8 describs is not a psyop, but a legit prevalent sentiment, then looks like things are pretty darn bad (which indeed they are), and the Thermidor folks should be paying attention to this matter.

Mossadnik says:

Basically, it’s a good sign if an astroturf, because that would indicate that Globohomo (or whoever it is) is afraid, so much so that they’re loosening up on WQ-related crimethink. If not an astroturf, then it’s a worrisome sign, because incels who have totally given up and embraced doomerism just might not bother to sign up for kebab removal and so on, and at least in Europe, it’s a pretty big problem. America is building an ICE military, but Europe is sailing straightway to the Caliphate. The problem is that the other team — the Thermidorian shills — as Jim often remarks, are pushing Progressivism to combat Islam, rather than anything Reactionary.

To recruit young men, Thermidor should be pushing more reactionary content as regards the WQ. Being leftists in good standing, however, not sure they can do it; nevertheless a rightward drift among the cognitive elite is still happening, so eventually they might embrace at least some of our “oooooh dark dark dark and scary” positions.

Halion says:

I’ve been thinking about a permanent solution to the woman problem, and beyond restoring the patriarchy, wouldn’t it be possible to do selective breeding or use genetic engineering to create a race of women who don’t do shit tests?

Mossadnik says:

I’d like a future in which women will have been genetically engineered to be both more pleasant and naturally horny for the average man rather than chasing mister 1-in-30, but we aren’t anywhere near the ability to pull that off with our current technology, and to reach that stage, will have to first reinstitute patriarchy and keep the higher races and in particular the white race (who pioneer science) from going extinct due to lack of reproduction. The genetic engineering project you describe might become available no sooner than the latter half of the 22nd century, or in about 125 years at the earliest. What are we going to do till then, with women who have not been genetically engineered to be less shit-testy and more horny for regular men?

Mossadnik says:

It’s always important to emphasize to anyone who speaks of sci-fi futures that ain’t none of that shit is happening if the science-advancing races fail to reproduce (which reproductive failure will likely lead to their replacement by black and brown Mohammedans), and to keep the science-advancing races from disappearing — and also to keep scientific progress itself from declining — it’s indispensable to have a non-Feminist state religion, such as Jimian Christianity, under which the higher races can reproduce, thrive, and continue advancing science and technology.

If whites and yellows fail to reproduce, and as a result their numbers keep on shrinking, and their populations keep growing older and older and older and older, and are eventually defeated and replaced by low-IQ global south brownoids, then no sci-fi future of any kind will materialize. If you want a sextopia of infinity nymphos at some point in the future, for instance, first you need White Shariah and poofs off roofs.

Mossadnik says:

Since posts like these always trigger FAGGOTS (on Twitter) to countersignal with “Don’t worry about declining fertility bruh, it’s not a real problem bruh, keep sexual liberalism for foids going bruh,” here’s again the demographic projection for the homogeneous country of South Korea:

https://media.beehiiv.com/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,format=auto,onerror=redirect,quality=80/uploads/asset/file/c2b40356-e23c-4768-9ed5-e46f0724ed9c/South_Korea_Pop_Chart_post.png

You simply do not advance to sextopia, or to any super duper technologically advanced future, when all the higher races face a similar trajectory.

White Sharia and poofs off roofs.

Jim says:

Genetic engineering is hard, and genetically engineering brain features harder, the problem being you would not know what to change to accomplish the desired effect.

Selective breeding not going to work, for who is going to do the selection?

FrankNorman says:

> Selective breeding not going to work, for who is going to do the selection?

The same could be asked of any other proposed remedy. But do we need gene-editing supertech when plain old means could be used? Such as the remedies from the Law of Moses concerning women who cannot control their sexual desires. As the refrain in that law code goes, “you must purge this evil from among you.”

If any woman who cannot help but go out looking to get raped by a savage gets stoned to death, in the short term there would be a huge pile of dead women. But in the long term the population would all be descended from those women who did not do things that got them killed.

Obviously also you need to be killing the savages. Being a savage should mean not living to produce offspring, while being an intelligent, productive and moral person should.

Maybe feminist types who consider childbearing to be male oppression of women or whatever should simply be allowed to remove themselves from the gene pool, like they are already doing?

Jim says:

> feminist types who consider childbearing to be male oppression of women or whatever should simply be allowed to remove themselves from the gene pool

It is a shit test. They are begging to be chained up in the Maga breeding pits. They are crying out for us to pass their shit test. Lets do it. In a healthy society, they would get what they so obviously want.

At the same time as they are howling about patriarchal oppression and passionately deploring Webtoons as dangerously traumatising, they are reading (one handed) webtoons about being chained up in the Maga breeding pits.

It is the will of Gnon to breed a race of men capable of passing shit tests. Both individually and collectively. Prepare the Maga breeding pits!

I select at random a webtoon

Protagonist is marooned on a tropical island. She has no food, and no competence in collecting food from the wild. Discovers incredibly ripped incredibly powerful evil overlord has secret base on Island. He does not just have a six pack abdomen, he has a twelve pack abdomen. She begs for food. Evil overlord puts a leash on her, treats her really badly, and threatens to torture her. Lots and lots and lots of scenes of her being led around on all fours on a leash while Evil Overlord amuses himself with the threat of torture.

I select another random webtoon. Chicks orbiting around evil undead necromancer (He is not really interested in banging any of them, since he gets off on sacrificing women in a really phallic way.) Really hot human sacrifice scene when Miss Average volunteers to be sacrificed in order to avoid being forced to marry Mister Average, but that is as close as we get to actual sex being depicted in this comic.

It is set in a remarkably Jimian steam punk world — technology vaguely modern era, sometime 1750 to 1950. Women must get married by age 24 – It is not made clear whether they are simply assigned to a husband, or thrown into the Maga breeding pits if they delay, or shotgunned married if difficult, but the breeding pits if very difficult. It is a woman’s patriotic duty to get married while she still has most of her limited fertile window in front of her, and settle down to being a full time wife and mother. Men have a patriotic duty to work, pay taxes, fight in the army, and the militia, have a wife and children, and look after those children. Women a patriotic duty to get married and become full time wives and mothers. And if they don’t, will be forced to do so.

So, major character, who is Miss Average faced with the horrifying prospect of being forced to choose between three Mister Averages, and settling down in the suburbs to pop out kids for Mister Average, runs away to be sacrificed by evil necromancer in the hope of being raised as his undead minion.

And did I say Jimian? The state religion is enforced, and it seems to be kind of sort of Christianity with the serial numbers filed off. People are forbidden to believe in magic and all that, and also forbidden to practice it. Witchcraft illegal, sorcery illegal, ghosts illegal, undeath illegal, necromancy extremely illegal. The state religion is highly patriotic, and patriotism highly religious.

The sensible female character tells the others that the Maga breeding pits are a big improvement on the evil undead sorcerer, but somehow strangely winds up under his control.

Prepare the Maga breeding pits! Those feminists are crying out for them. They are being terribly terribly traumatised by those terrible terrible webtoon comics, and yet are strangely unable to refrain from reading them.

The sensible female character is saying out loud that women need us and need the Maga breeding pits to protect them from themselves. She is flat out saying it. Yet, when faced with the opportunity to rat her evil necromancer overlord out to the authorities, the extremely manly authorities who look like a major improvement on Mister average, somehow strangely fumbles it. Alpha male versus alpha male showdown coming up, I assume, but I stopped reading there, since the reader is going to be teased with the prospect of alpha male on alpha male action for the next seven thousand pages with actual dubcon sex being almost about to happen on every one of those pages but never actually happening.

If you can translate womenese to man talk, what they are saying is “What are you waiting for? Chain me up and throw me into the Maga breeding pits. And spank me really hard.”

Those feminists are trying to carry out their ancient reproductive strategy. And in a healthy society, it would work, and it should work.

Females reproduce most successfully if absolutely reduced to property, males least successfully. If a woman is not the absolute property of a man who can do anything he likes to her, then she has the option of defecting on him, which is to her advantage, but he is therefore likely to defect on her first, with the result that it is defect/defect, and no one gets to reproduce. So, the rational evolutionary option for a woman suffering the inconvenience of liberty and self ownership is to misbehave until the males get sick of it, and put her on a chain attached to a wire running between the bedroom, the nursery, and the kitchen.

In the story set in a Jimian world, it is never clearly shown what happens if the characters fail to get married before the deadline, but if they get thrown into the Maga breeding pits, they are likely to be bred by those extremely manly authorities who are going to be forever about to engage in some alpha male on alpha male conflict. So in a healthy society, in the society that the sensible female character is begging us for, misbehaving and getting thrown into the Maga breeding pits is an entirely rational and appropriate reproductive strategy.

If the fictional steampunk Jimian nation has breeding pits full of chained up feminists, they are Make (fictional country) Great Again breeding pits, because sensible female character is absolutely clear that the purpose of the laws and religion on sex and marriage is to Make (fictional country) Great.

In that Jimian world, what would normally happen is that the sensible character marries Mister Average, and has a happy marriage in the suburbs being a full time wife and mother and popping out lots of kids, and the feminist character horrified by Mister Average would get thrown into the Maga breeding pits, and get banged by those extremely manly authorities and pop out lots of kids for them.

I am half joking when I say that the Jimian Maga world depicted in the webcomic has Maga breeding pits. It is never made clear, and never will be made clear, what should have happened to the feminist character had she not accepted Mister Average, and not run away to be sacrificed by the necromancer, but it is revealed that whatever should have happened would be enforced by sexy alpha males.

In the fictional Steampunk Jimworld, Miss Feminist appears to be at about the same income and status level as the Mister Average she is about to be forced to marry, though a much lower asset level, so from her point of view it is a very bad deal, while Miss Sensible is depicted as having a much, much lower income and social status level, so from Miss Sensible’s point of view, being forced to marry Mister Average is a pretty good deal, while being forced to marry Mister Average by Mister Sexy Alpha Male is an even better deal.

Miss Sensible is holding out for being forced by Mister Sexy Alpha Male to marry Mister Average, while Miss Feminist holding out to be thrown into the Make (fictional country) Great breeding pits by Mister Sexy Alpha Male. Miss Sensible wants a gentle scolding from Mister Average, while Miss Feminist wants a really good spanking from Mister Sexy Alpha Male, or, failing that, sexy sexy human sacrifice by evil necromancer, and the characters come mighty close to actually explaining that to the reader. I would be interested to hear Matty Bites explaining that this webtoon has a totally progressive civilised message, and assorted sexy alpha males in the comic are kindly good guys who are not doing anything bad or unprogressive. From which Matty Bites interpretation of events and expository dialog I would conclude that she read them one handed.

Jim says:

I am kind of interested in this comic, because I read it as a direct overt plea by feminists for Maga to implement Jimworld, but I am not going to read it any further, because I expect no actual sex, just seventy thousand pages of the the never ending nearness of some dubcon, and the never ending alpha male conflict, of alpha males conflicting in ways that males find incredibly boring and bitchy, but girls seems to like a lot.

There are two necromancers in the story, and two female orbiters, One necromancer is cruel, evil, super handsome, and super alpha, while the other is ordinary handsome, if that, and ordinary alpha nice guy. Evil necromancer confronts nice guy necromancer. Nice guy backs down, but claims that this wrongful, he is higher authority and greater power than evil necromancer and threatens, seemingly impotently, to do something about it.

The logic of the story is that Nice Guy Necromancer defeats Bad Guy necromancer after ninety thousand pages of girly bitching, acquires his undead minions, and Miss Sensible winds up happily ever aftering with him, but since I would have to read through one hundred thousand pages of everyone acting extremely girly to find out, not going to find out what is going to happen.

When feminists read this comic, they are going to rationalise that Miss Feminist’s view on compelled marriage and settling down in the suburbs as a wife and mother is shown to be true, and the novel is telling us how horribly oppressive Trump and Maga, and Miss Sensible has been brainwashed by the State Religion and the Patriarchy, while they diddle themselves, but Miss Feminist is a selfish idiot, while Miss Sensible is smart, practical, good, kindly, and loving. Plus the feminists are diddling to Jimworld while rationalising that the novel is really saying that Jimworld is bad.

The expository dialog directly tells us, delivered through the mouth of a sensible and good character, that Jimworld is good, benevolent, and patriotic, but they are going to rationalise it away as the author being ironic. The author also shows us how dismayed and oppressed Miss Feminist is by Jimworld. After showing us that Miss Feminist is stupid, selfish, and dangerous to herself and others.

Halion says:

I know that restoring the patriarchy is the solution to the women’s problem. What I wanted to raise by asking about the viability of selective breeding and genetic engineering were long-term guarantees that the patriarchy would never again fall due to failing some great collective shit test.

Jim says:

> long-term guarantees that the patriarchy would never again fall due to failing some great collective shit test.

It is the will of Gnon that we face adversity and temptation. Free will. We can choose to fail. We should choose otherwise.

When your woman tells you how awful it is being woken up by morning wood being rammed up her, she is complaining how that has not happened in quite a while. You will notice that she resists strenuously, but with strange lack of effectiveness. This is a test from your woman, and from Gnon. So are collective shit tests.

Neurotoxin says:

Once again, pure gold from Webtoons. And I still haven’t had time to do more than a cursory skim of the ones you mentioned a couple of months ago.

Alf says:

The expository dialog directly tells us, delivered through the mouth of a sensible and good character, that Jimworld is good, benevolent, and patriotic

Is there literally a single romance novel that tells us otherwise? Women seem to just not be able to fall in love in a world where men aren’t in firm control.

Jim says:

> Is there literally a single romance novel that tells us otherwise? Women seem to just not be able to fall in love in a world where men aren’t in firm control.

Exactly so.

In the ancestral environment, if a woman is in a social environment where men are not in firm control, then falling in love is likely to be really bad for her reproductive prospects. She needs to be abducted into an environment where men are in charge, and then it is safe to fall in love.

Even romance novels set in our world and our time have their protagonist somehow by some improbable plot contrivance in an improbable social environment that is remarkably eighteenth century — generally because Mister Very Wrong can defy progressive law with impunity. As for example the first webtoon I just sampled where the protagonist is marooned on a tropical island with no food except for abundant food on the evil overlord’s secret base under the personal control of evil overlord who can do anything he likes.

So, for my wife to be happy, I have to enclose her in a world where divine law imposes patriarchy, and I am capable of getting away with imposing divine law.

I recall a romance novel where all characters were embedded in progressive world, and Mister Very Wrong was a serial killer. It seemed to me that the author found the sex scenes quite boring, and was typing them up two handed, but the murder scenes — that was clearly one handed typing. The author was required to insert a suitable number of progressive sex scenes in progressive world, but was obviously not turned on at all by them.

A2 says:

The large SF publisher Tor some years ago got rid of most of its male authors and opened the doors for hordes of female writers. As one might have expected, it now seems to have turned into a Romance publisher. The wares are sold as “Romantasy”, because there are werewolves and aristocratic star empires and such used to amplify the bodice ripping, much as described by Jim.

A2 says:

And of course, “every woman adores a fascist” (Sylvia Plath).

That somewhat famous poem (a tad nutty, wouldn’t you say): https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/48999/daddy-56d22aafa45b2

Anon says:

“webtoon”
Name , Is it Korean or Japanese , the Korean usually are really base sometimes.

Jim says:

“Marionetta” was the one set in steampunk jimworld, characters have somewhat European names, and seem to be multiracial. Ethnic makeup seems vaguely similar to modern America as imagined by modern progressives, fantasy social order seems to be based on post Napeolonic France, plus a heaping helping of what progressives fear Maga is going to do, plus magic and a fair bit of the medieval christian view and treatment of magic.

I keep referencing “maga breeding pits”, but the in few chapters I read we are never told what happens to women who are not married by their twenty fourth birthday. It just seems like the kind of society that is willing and able to apply drastic solutions to stubbornly misbehaving females. Feminist girl does not consider resistance in place an option. This is a society that faced that shit test and unambiguously passed it.

And notice that the rule is “not married by your twenty fourth birthday” not “refuse a reasonable offer of marriage after your twenty fourth birthday”. So something is going to happen to feminist girl on her twenty fourth birthday if still single. Presumably something likely to result in pregnancy.

The one where the evil overlord puts the protagonist on a leash is “Castaway Marriage” Castaway marriage is explicitly Korean, and set in our world and our time, sort of. The characters explicitly reference Korea.

Joe says:

Halion: “…wouldn’t it be possible to do selective breeding or use genetic engineering to create a race of women who don’t do shit tests”

This is like the feminists who “want” to filter out aggressive men. First, it’s Sailer’s Law of Female Journalism, hoping to better your odds with those you couldn’t get.

Second, what else would you inadvertently breed out? The Siberian fox domestication program is one of many examples that says you don’t just select for one thing.

Third, the function is important. Filtering for better men in a long-term civilizational imperative. The solution to weaponization in the short term is cultural controls.

Mossadnik says:

Are you a foid?

Mossadnik says:

(Just can’t think of any man arguing for shit testing, and at that, doing so specifically by using shaming tactics that characterize — and apply to — women. No doubt Jolene here will argue that this is not what she is doing. Suck my circumcision scar, bitch.)

Mossadnik says:

Also,

Filtering for better men in a long-term civilizational imperative.

Filtering done… by whom?

Mossadnik says:

Also,

This is like the feminists who “want” to filter out aggressive men.

Feminists, like all women, do not want to breed out antisocial men. They rather do their best to breed out prosocial men. If they wanted to do away with “aggression” per se, they would not spread their legs, both literally and metaphorically, for the entire Global South.

Nice try, though.

Mossadnik says:

Also,

First, it’s Sailer’s Law of Female Journalism, hoping to better your odds with those you couldn’t get.

“U INKEL”

In an extremely lopsided situation as the current one, in which women reserve their pussies for mister 1-in-30, it would be absolutely insane for any man who isn’t mister 1-in-30 to not desire to better his odds with women. In fact, even top alphas are sick and tired of all your bullshit. If you were a single young man, you would instinctively get it, but you are a cunt.

The solution to weaponization in the short term is cultural controls.

The solution is that women will not make that choice, but have it made for them. Female mate choice never works out, and can never work out.

Mossadnik says:

Also,

The solution to weaponization in the short term is cultural controls.

But the problem is not any “weaponization” of female sexuality. The problem is that without coverture, when you are granted mate choice, you rapidly turn frigid to most men — which frigidity to most men is apt to escalate until society dies of reproductive failure and conquest by peoples who practice patriarchy — as happened some years following the Sexual Revolution, which promised sexual Heaven, and delivered sexual Hell, while chasing Gorilla Butt-Naked, as you are deeply hardwired to do.

I don’t know if genetically engineering shit tests away is possible, but I do know that abolishing female mate choice is necessary if the higher races are to avoid going extinct; everywhere in the world, only cultures where women have men selected for them (normally, by their fathers) maintain above replacement fertility. None else successfully reproduces.

Mossadnik says:

A successfully reproducing society doesn’t encourage shit tests, but rather makes it possible for prosocial men to pass them, by significantly reducing female status relative to male status, with wives lower status than husbands, and with the status of unowed non-virgins being practically none. Moreover, since women just don’t perceive status the way men perceive it, they are innately apt to select against spergy scientists who advance civilization, and instead to select for scum. Given the option, they postpone marriage for as long as possible while hypergamously branch swinging from one demonlover’s demoncock to another until their eggs dry up. (All Women Are Like That.) Which is why successfully reproducing societies don’t give them the option.

Mossadnik says:

White Knights believe that women always make the right sexual choice, while simps (a lesser, more tolerable form of the White Knight) might agree that sometimes women err in their judgement when selecting mates, but then go on to blame it on capitalism, Jews, or whatever else. Dear Princess is always pure and blameless, and it’s just some corrupting influence preventing her from finding a good man, they contend.

No, the issue is that women perceive status in a way that, to say the least, isn’t conducive to a stable society — female mate choice disrupts the cooperate-cooperate equilibrium, with everyone defecting on everyone else and failing to reproduce — and accordingly, all humans (niggers not included) are descended from strictly patriarchal societies that didn’t let women practice their pre-hominid sexual strategy.

Alf says:

Just can’t think of any man arguing for shit testing,

Really? I would. I think. Joe’s points make sense to me.

Yes, women’s genetic wiring makes their desires anti-civilizational. So you don’t let them run amok, and what’s more: it incentivizes you to not let them run amok. Problem solved.

Which is not to say that there isn’t a world in which women can’t be genetically engineered to be sweeter, more feminine, less bitchy. But like all these DNA modification endeavors, I don’t dare speak for the end results.

Mossadnik says:

Jessica’s argument is that shit-tests can and should be used to filter out undesirable men. I’ve just written a number of incel manifestos explaining why that is not the case. In short, Jessica’s argument presupposes that female mate choice should be permitted (and if you disagree, well obviously she should use shaming tactics to denigrate you, for which purpose she packaged her argument in redpill-like language, without understanding what the redpill actually is), only somehow made prosocial rather than antisocial – she didn’t bother explaining how exactly.

It just never works.

Alf says:

Third, the function is important. Filtering for better men in a long-term civilizational imperative. The solution to weaponization in the short term is cultural controls.

You’re probably referring to this argument. I read ‘cultural controls’ as opposing sexual freedom for women, not promoting. But perhaps Joe can elaborate.

Jim says:

Cultural controls opposing sexual female freedom for women were tried by the Victorians. One might as well have tried cultural controls against a lava flow or a glacier.

Cultural controls are necessary, and have substantial effect, but only as a supplement to and justification of other controls.

The combination of cultural controls with the doctrine that women are naturally sexless angels but men compel them to do bad things proved catastrophic for the Victorians.

Monogamy has to be imposed on women with a stick. Their natural inclinations are still towards the lek mating system that we had when we lived in the trees.

Alf says:

Is hitting women with a stick not a means of cultural control? Seems like ‘cultural control’ refers to some established purple-pilled system I am not aware of.

The Cominator says:

RE hatchet girl, between my sexism and my xenophobia and my feeling that nuclear shit test or not there is something dystopian about Britain that young teenage girls are shit testing with hatchets I felt it best to stay utterly silent (not just here but anywhere) on the matter but…

I will say I’m strongly against sending a freaking plattoon to perp walk her. The Ingsoc government of airstrip one probably has the worst sense of PR of any regime I’ve ever seen.
https://x.com/1776General_/status/1961437669440835644

The Cominator says:

RE never mind, apparently this is in Germany and not the same girl.

Mossadnik says:

Well, it’s not just the British regime that needs to go. Progressivism, in slightly different flavors, is the state religion in all GAE countries. Some no doubt are quite saner than others, and can likely be set on the right track in a relatively “smooth” manner. In Northwestern Europe, though, where they continue being flooded with infinity third-worlders, the time for a smooth solution is running short.

The Cominator says:

With USAid disbanded and Tulsi being a unicorn of an effective woman in power in ferreting out the snakes in the rest of US intelligence progressivism’s main state sponsor now (other than the Jesuit order but they like to remain deep deep in the background covid was the 1st time they’ve really shown their hand directly at all since Von Papen) is in British intelligence. I think if they lose their British sponsorship they are really really in trouble.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Jessica’s argument presupposes that female mate choice should be permitted

You could read it that way, but writing another 12-post manifesto on your own interpretation of one statement seems a bit premature. Besides, women don’t pretend to be men online, except the occasional turbo-dyke, and a turbo-dyke would have other interests.

Anyway, I assume that his intended meaning was that female shit testing is one of nature’s checks and balances against tribes becoming too soft and complacent. He specifically said “long term civilizational imperative”, meaning your society either consistently produces strong men and maintains patriarchy, or it dies; and female shit testing, and escalation thereof, helps mediate the process.

By contrast, the idea of somehow genetically engineering women to never shit test implies that we want them to make better mate choices, which implies that we want them to make mate choices at all. That is the blue-pilled idea, not Joe’s response to it.

Ok, let’s “steel-man” the former and assume this genetic engineering program means something like “we’ll still have patriarchy, but the women will be nicer, more obedient, and generally better at the whole wife thing”. This raises a number of alarm bells in my mind:

1. How, exactly, are we going to guarantee that this obedience trait does not leak into the Y-chromosome? That might very well be the reason for East Asian races’ seemingly blind obedience to authority today and the consequent lack of creativity.

2. How do we know it is even one trait, as opposed to a cluster of traits that are individually valuable (especially e.g. in motherhood) and only troublesome in aggregate or in feral environments? It could end up like today’s attempts to stop AI models from noticing “offensive” patterns when their entire purpose is to notice patterns; that is to say, it could be the case that “editing out the shit testing” in women effectively means lobotomizing them entirely.

3. How do we know it is even fully or mostly genetic at all, as opposed to something hormonally driven or mediated? We know what happens when you screw with female hormones; do not want. Evolution has had millions of years and thousands of iterations to work on this problem and has never, not one single time or in any iteration, come up with a better solution than slapping the women around and imposing patriarchy. That does not prove, but it certainly does strongly suggest, that it is either not genetic at all or that it is too genetically hardwired to mess with.

I am not saying that some uber-advanced 23rd century society couldn’t try to “solve” the “problem” if their understanding of, and ability to manipulate genetics had progressed to that degree. But we’re about as close to achieving that today as we are to achieving faster-than-light travel; it’s science fiction, not philosophy, and discussing it as philosophy implies that someone is thinking about how to run this program today without any comprehension of the immediate or long-term consequences.

And even the above is ignoring an obvious fact: any society that has advanced far enough to perform this kind of miracle is a society that has already solved their woman problem and isn’t going to care about such trivial matters. They will be more concerned with eliminating sickness and disease, improving human intelligence and physical attributes, and tweaking our characteristics for better survival on other planets or in outer space. If women get to choose their mates, then civilization isn’t going to reach that stage in the first place.

Maybe you are right; you were right about Anus after all; but I’m not sure this is the same situation, and I think any attempts to engineer the New Jimian Woman are going to be about as successful as previous attempts to engineer the New Soviet Man. Good women are made, not born.

Mossadnik says:

I think if they lose their British sponsorship they are really really in trouble.

I agree. If the British deep state or permanent government is brought down, the Anglo strain of Progressivism (which has always been the most Feminist, coincidentally) will likely be finished, and following that, it will be much easier to defeat the rest of them. Un-pozzing the Five Eyes Anglosphere will be no small feat.

Mossadnik says:

Your interpretation is possible too, Scarebucks. I sought to emphasize the need to disallow female mate choice based on my reading of that comment, and it might be that I sperged out a little bit; if everyone is actually on the same page here, great.

f6187 says:

Mossadnik writes:

I don’t know if genetically engineering shit tests away is possible, but I do know that abolishing female mate choice is necessary if the higher races are to avoid going extinct; everywhere in the world, only cultures where women have men selected for them (normally, by their fathers) maintain above replacement fertility. None else successfully reproduces.

Mossadnik wraps up the solution very neatly there, bypassing the sci-fi scenario of selective breeding / genetic engineering.

I like Joe’s comment on selective breeding. The notion is both futile and fraught with risk. Certainly there is no “shit-testing gene,” but more importantly there is a grain of something *good* underlying female shit-testing behavior, and it evolved for a valid reason which I won’t belabor here.

There are many aspects of both female and male nature that both (1) exist for a perfectly good reason, and (2) are very likely to become pathologically evil and wildly out of control. Creation has fallen, and spiritual entropy lurks at every turn until God finally resurrects the whole thing.

The answer is never to “breed it out” in some ill-conceived notion of creating a new soviet man. The answer is always spiritual and cultural, and that is rooted in becoming a new creation in Christ and utterly dominated by the wisdom of God, who created both male and female in His own image. That is the only process which faithfully restores the original image as conceived by the Logos Himself.

The Cominator says:

Not sure we can say the solution is NEVER to breed/genetically engineer something out. Egalitarian thinking and the leftist heatmap where they pretend to love everything including bugs on different continents as a cover to the fact they plan to cheat and steal from those closest to them do not seem to have any upsides.

As for the upsides of female mating preferences… total female selection gets you niggers. Total “beta” male selection (ie arranged marriages with the mother in law watching the wife at all times to make sure she doesn’t sneak out and get bred) is what happened in India but also not sufficient because they also bred with Dravidian abbos (something I think the caste system was designed to prevent). Total alpha male selection (only the richest high status males get wives and they get all the wives) gets you Arabs.

East Asia and Europe ie the high races had more unsanctioned premarital sex, the wives were less strictly and constantly watched by either confining them at all times or by having the mother in law always watching so probably more incidence of adultery and adultery babies, and more shotgun weddings though East Asia was more hardline against anything resembling feminism or egalitarianism than Europe was. I do not wish to account for supposed hajnal line late virgin marriage because I think that history must be falsified somehow by the academics involved, women don’t in large numbers stay virgins till 28 its not natural.

So ideal system on a genetic basis is letting male preferences de jure dominate, having monogamous marriages in most circumstances anyway (after major wars maybe not) but allowing a little leeway for women to sneak around and not doing the Arab/Indian thing of controlling them so tightly it almost never happens.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

So ideal system on a genetic basis is letting male preferences de jure dominate, having monogamous marriages in most circumstances anyway (after major wars maybe not) but allowing a little leeway for women to sneak around

Women are just going to sneak around, period; it’s not a question of “leeway”. The key difference isn’t which males select, but how many they select: Arabs historically embraced harems and polygamy, while European Christians tried their best to achieve monogamy and largely succeeded.

It’s the combination of patriarchal selection and monogamous marriage that yields high social cohesion and trust. Or maybe the arrow points both ways, and societies with high cohesion simply won’t permit alphas to hoard the best women. Either way, Arabization is what you get when you take out the monogamy and end up with a horde of angry incels because every woman is the 7th wife or concubine of some sheikh or warlord.

In the European tradition, there is some female “choice” in the sense that a good father will bring in a few different suitors and let his daughter have a say in which one she marries, though not necessarily the final say. As long as the number of suitors is kept reasonably small, and reasonable safeguards are taken to ensure she’s not actually fucking any of them during the brief selection period, then typically no one is offended by this process and it helps weed out the more extreme pussy kryptonite that female radars are more sensitive to than male.

It goes without saying that this has to happen while she’s still young enough not to be burning with animal lust. Rejecting all the suitors isn’t a formal option. If she takes the informal option and sneaks out that night to shack up with the broke-ass and marginally-talented guitar or saxophone player, then it’s a shotgun marriage.

Fidelis says:

East Asia and Europe ie the high races had more unsanctioned premarital sex

Every bit of data I’ve seen on this points to elite classes having had very strict norms on this, and peasant classes having more loose norms, to varying degrees. It’s a shitty meme meant to denigrate the patriarchal system by comparing it to the last vestiges of an already broken third world population’s customs. Fact is, there still are high IQ hindus and pakis, and they all come from arranged marriage traditions.

In the English, the upper class mostly followed strict kept-in women virgin marriage, often but not always politically arranged. The upper class also made up the bulk of the fertility. Deviations were exceptions to the norm.

Repeating the normie meme that lol arranged marriage just turns chads into betas look at India lolol is not just counterproductive, its a lie. Large scale population traits have more to do with how elites in their civilization compete and how status inheritance is managed. Only in peasant populations were marriages consistently ad hoc and unarranged, and polygamy is standard everywhere among the elite, with the largest difference being how legitimate heirs from second, third, …, wives are treated.

Joe says:

No, not a foid. The purpose of shit tests is to pass them. Personally, and socially.

It has been this way for tens of thousands of years, Mossadnik. And you think – what, this is some kind of accident?

Beyond a certain level, we don’t make the rules of the game. We just live in it. Play the game.

Mossadnik says:

The purpose of shit tests is to pass them. Personally, and socially.

Passing them collectively means restoration of coverture, allowing for an orderly transfer of ownership over women from fathers to husbands, and disallowing female mate choice (beyond perhaps a small number of suitors preselected by the father); that’s the point I sought to emphasize here.

Spreckman says:

Hey Jim, what do you think about Islam’s rape of little boys?
[*standard shill content deleted*]

Jim says:

> Islam’s rape of little boys?

You shills need to better coordinate your shill posting, your comment appeared with another shill post that linked to a video where a black Muslim in Ireland complains that “Where I come from, if you are homosexual or bisexual, you get killed.”

Indeed, this was the number two issue that our Afghan misadventure was about. The Taliban’s two key issues were the female role, and poof off roofs, and our war was about converting schoolgirls into strong independent empowered cat ladies, and ensuring that faggots get to parade perversity in public.

Faggots in Islam come from the same place as faggots and female pastors in the protestant Churches: The USG State Department and USAID.

Faggots in Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy have, however, considerably more ancient origins.

The solution is poofs off roofs. The Taliban is right about women, and right about poofters. And also right about interest bearing loans against the person.

Tikram says:

I too have seen that video, and that’s not what that muslim nigger said.[*rest of the shill content deleted*]

Jim says:

> I too have seen that video,

No you have not seen that video. You have seen the shill summary and paraphrase of the video, which is that a black Mohammedan speaks directly into the camera and in effect says or implies that he came to Ireland so that he could fuck Irish children. But he begins his story by telling us that he is a poofter and that where comes from, he cannot do that because poofs off roofs. And you shills don’t notice that because you are required to presuppose that everyone agrees that poofs of roofs is a bad thing and you are required to not notice that child molesters are always poofters, so you were unable to hear what he said same as you are unable to read what I am writing.

It is not that poofters don’t like females. What they do not like is boobs. So they enormously prefer nine year olds, male and female, to adults. Lots of ten year old girls would like to get nailed. But they would like to get nailed by a manly man, who is seldom a poofter and seldom interested, and they would like to get nailed by man with massive adult female pre-selection, the Cinderella fantasy, and such a man is seldom interested and almost never a poofer, so the only way they can get some of his dick is sneak into his bed during morning woodie, and ride him to a happy awakening, followed by a big surprise.

However, while they cruising to get raped by General Bucknaked, they frequently wind up, kind of accidentally, being railed by a poofter like the one in the video.

The Cominator says:

Latest school shooter appears to be a communist tranny. A lot of these fuckers are trannies. We don’t need gun control we need tranny control.
https://nypost.com/2025/08/27/us-news/minneapolis-catholic-school-gunman-idd-as-robin-westman-while-possible-manifesto-shows-psychotic-obsession-with-mass-shooters/

Hesiod says:

Maybe they changed their tune in the last hour or so, but earlier the closest Fox News could get to admitting this was a troon attack was to say he went by two names.

At least the troon in Chicago who made the news last month had the decency to step in front of a train for his narcissistic exit.

Oh yeah, and the feds are seeking the death penalty against the Zizians for their murders.

A2 says:

From NY Post:

“I like feeling sexy and cute but my face never matches how I feel. I hate my face… maybe that’s why I like furries so much.”

Ah yes, chef’s kiss.

https://nypost.com/2025/08/28/us-news/minneapolis-school-shooter-robin-westman-confessed-he-was-tired-of-being-trans/

Hesiod says:

https://www.ngocomment.com/p/another-trans-person-arrested-for

Snehal Ansh Srivastava, a 26-year-old male who goes by the name “Sasha Shakur” and identifies with “she/her” pronouns, was taken into custody in Shrewsbury, Mass. on Aug. 28, after allegedly shooting and killing a father near Jordan Park. The victim confronted Srivastava over vandalism of public property and had just dropped off his child at a nearby elementary school.

Hesiod says:

My post concerning another trannie murderer was removed. Was link dodgy in some way? Honestly curious so I can avoid repeating in the future.

Mossadnik says:

I also was wondering why the number of comments suddenly went -1.

Hesiod says:

It was admittedly a link to Andy Ngo, a lefty, so Jim’s recent post explains it. Understandable and understood.

Jim says:

I just restored it — I removed it in error because it looked so much like the regular shill links, and appeared amidst shill links on the same issue.

But I don’t delete links from genuine commenters, even when they accidentally align with the shills. Or at least I don’t intend to remove them.

Even if a regular commenter links to something that tends to be subtly deceptive — and anything posted by Andy Ngo is going to be subtly deceptive, that is freedom of speech.

But if I let anything by a shill through, they get an engagement bonus, and then I get a bunch more trying to post.

I tend to be fairly indiscriminate when deleting shill material. There are all these fake rightists pretending to an ideology that they do not share, and it is tiresome trying to pick up the difference that they are attempting to both conceal and promote.

Just as the Joo Joo Joo shilling was aimed at pointing the right towards Jews in funny hats and away from Jews in the state department, the new shilling aims to point the right away from biological differences. But I don’t delete it for subtly disagreeing with me politically. I delete it for being repetitious, unresponsive, and boring. The shill test is not “what wagon are you pushing?” It is “can you make relevant response to wagon you are trying to drown out?” If someone wants to argue against “poofs off roofs”, fine, I am happy to debate. But no one wants to debate. They just want to distract with noise, just like the Joo Joo brigade wanted people to talk about Jews in funny hats because they did not want people to talk about (((Soros))), (((Blinken))), and (((Nuland))).

When a shill links to Andy Ngo, he is trying to drown out “Poofs off Roofs”. I don’t think that you, Hesiod, are trying to drown out “Poofs off roofs”. It is the drowning out, the heckler’s veto, that I am silencing.

The schoolchild shooter was a trap. A “trap” is a gay who is trying to score with a straight manly male by pretending to be a woman. Gays are always trying to score with straight manly males. It is irritating, offensive, and disgusting, and should rightly be met with physical violence if polite rejection fails. Which it usually does. The incident not only shows us that men cannot be women and women cannot be men. It also shows us that gays are a problem. That is a place that Thermidor does not want Maga to go.

But they are unwilling to attempt a rational debate about why Maga should not go there.

Hesiod says:

Thanks for clarifying that, Jim. For the record, the reason I used Ngo’s link is I first learned off this murder via someone posting a screencap of a news article without attribute. So, I searched, finding mostly local reports very scant with details while Ngo’s appeared more thorough.

However, the price then is, as you say, letting Ngo’s agenda into the house.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

On a tangential note, the term ‘trap’ originally derives from anonymous imageboard culture, wherein images of drawn characters with male sex and feminine appearances would frequently be responded to with an even older meme of image macros with admiral akbar declaring “its a trap!”, which in a classic operation of memetic mutation ended up becoming associated with the thing itself, filling a grammatical void in discourse.

Years later, some gender confused mutants on tumblr and twitter pick up on the term as both another potential vector for oppression olympics and a form of self-aggrandizement (as if they could ever be confused as anything else, let alone be anything but repulsive in any way otherwise), by alleging the term refers to them specifically and is used by hidden shitlords in the population as a term of abuse. They were of course the first ones in fact to ever use such a term in such a way, but as is typically on brand they are always ready to imagine fantasies of persecution for standing in whenever the world fails to provide, and thus create further cosmic debt in their minds that demands tipping the scales of cosmic justice in their favor to recompense – a form of karmic usury if you will.

In any case, ‘no one’ ever used it in such a way in reality (as congenital solipsists they naturally don’t grok that most people don’t think about this sort of thing at all, and to the extent there is/was discourse on such phenomena, ‘catfishing’ was the term), and thus such episodes also represent Cultural Appropriation of ancient internet folkways by filthy casuals who were never online until after Steve Jobs invented the smartphone.

Hesiod says:

https://patriots.win/p/19BtPw3N0l/now–twink-minneapolis-mayor-on-/c

Minneapolis mayor circles the wagons around the trannies. That worked out really well for the nigger apparatchiks in Cincinnati when they did the same for their constituents.

A2 says:

Trannies should be the first to be locked up when the time comes. (And at a later time, perhaps hanged?) They are unstable and dangerous.

Alf says:

It’s almost like chopping of your penis and taking hormone pills damages you in a lifelong and very serious way…! Not to mention that, whenever you stop your testosterone suppressing regiment, all that repressed rage and resentment must come back with quite the vengeance.

Mossadnik says:

Demonic possession of the anti-natalism variety, common among the sexually perverted, taken to its logical conclusion.

The Cominator says:

https://x.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1960848619558330751
Auron asserts that transitioning is a demonic ritual. Its hard to argue against him and I’m not inclined to (and agree materialism is bullshit and not supported by physics).

Jim says:

It is completely obvious that transitioning is promoted by demon worshippers and is a demonic ritual. I am agnostic on to what extent the beings that they worship are literally real.

Alf says:

Equally obvious that those transitioning see it as a demonic ritual as well.

Jerry Marzinski really is on to something. The entire perspective of demons manifesting themselves and speaking or possessing humans makes way too much sense to ignore. Now, when Jerry talks about demons creating literal cracks in a ceiling, or when he talks about dressing up an actor as a nazi to scare some poor nurses, he kind of loses me. But this idea of literal or metaphorical malevolent spirits attaching themselves to us, of us inviting them in, of them taking possession of us… There’s a great deal of verisimilitude to that idea.

Hesiod says:

The ideology of the Zizians centers around an attitude of “if you can’t beat them, join them” towards at least what can be termed as their inner demons. That may be where freewill enters play.

Jim says:

Less Wrong is a millenialist cult focused on various practices of demon worship, plus a collection of too clever-by-half superficially rationalist and superficially materialist rationales for the cult. But the cult dynamics look like those of any other demon worshipping cult. The Zizians added to that exercises for entering altered states of consciousness, which exercises and altered states look remarkably like the usual efforts to attain enlightenment through possession by otherworldly beings.

Which is not evidence that those beings are literally real and the Zizians are literally possessed, but the cult dynamics worked similarly to those of cults who do believe they are literally real. Things worked out as one would expect if those beings are literally real.

Mossadnik says:

The Landian concept of “hyperstition” might apply here. A socially entropic (leftist) hyperstition is pretty much the same phenomenon as demon worship, regardless of whether demons are real or metaphorical.

Mossadnik says:

DROM: “Health is cancer, disease is the answer, mwahahahahaha!”

Spiteful anti-cosmist: *shoots up Christian children*

One thing leads to another, as they say.

Mossadnik says:

However, troons are a low-hanging scrotum.

Prussian School itself should be strongly reconsidered by the ruling class. (Regardless of the school shootings factor.)

Why let a bunch of leftist catladies, sluts, and pederasts (“teachers”) and a multitude of niggers, brownoids, and ‘tardos (“students”) shape both the personality and the life-course of everyone’s children?

Abolish Prussian School.

The Cominator says:

Yeah everyone agrees here but the overton window is not quite there yet (though some people IRL ARE redpilled on the prussian school system, my favorite chick bartender at my local cigar bar and my best buddy there, a jew btw one reason why I’m soft on you people is I seem to make friends with jews easier than other people, were in complete agreement with me on the subject).

The biggest obstacle to abolishing the prussian schools is women who do have kids and who want to pawn off their kids most of the day on the schools (especially given that the government is prone to imprison any parents whos kids do anything stupid and have something bad happen to them if they are left alone below the age of 12 or so).

Mossadnik says:

Yeah, possibly it’s too early Overton-wise. However, it’s a good idea that people start mentally visualizing the alternatives to Prussian School, if the goal is to have it abolished by e.g., 2050. I don’t think that human civilization should be stuck with Prussian School for ages upon ages, particularly in light of the “AI revolution.”

At least the pretense should no longer be “This system is absolutely necessary to educate people” but rather they should be open about it being “We imprison kids for 12 years so that women can pursue ‘careers’.”

Mossadnik says:

Basically, it’s anti-social technology that’s incessantly, globally advertised (and violently imposed) by the Harvard Cult as social technology; demonic inversion at its finest.

The School is an inceldom and whoredom (and leftism) factory, working exactly as intended, & substantially responsible for declining fertility.

The Cominator says:

Was not originally intend as an incel factory though its become that as well since its so matriarchal now and always was a bit. Original idea was to make children mostly boys better factory drones and conscript soldiers and more conformist in general. Which was evil enough but its become something even worse. But by focusing on the documented historicallly indisputable original intent its been provably evil from its inception.

Contaminated NEET says:

>Abolish Prussian School.

Amen, amen, amen! It’s a coup-complete problem, though. Try talking to any normie about this, and no matter how mild and reasonable you are, you invariably get back:
>You just want people to be stupid so they’ll be easier to control.

Jim says:

I don’t think that you, Contaminated Neet, are actually talking to normies. But if you are, see what they say after couple of beers.

Contaminated NEET says:

You’re probably right about that. My social circles are smug libtarded co-workers with delusions of brilliance and influence and chud conspiracy theorist semi-prepper friends. You can probably guess which ones actually have the smarts and competence, and yet it’s the chuds who have to hide and submit, and practice ketman all day long.

Anonymous Fake says:

You could use a few beers yourself. You haven’t talked enough about how damaging schooling is, and you have censored the criticism I’ve offered many times, that modern schooling fails in its purpose of meritocracy and it is abused as breeding grounds for the Morlocks. [*censored yet again*]

Jim says:

The purpose of schooling never was meritocracy, and never will be meritocracy, and its inherently priestly nature makes it incapable of producing meritocracy.

And if Alf becomes Archbishop, it will stop with these pretences, and if I become Grand Inquisitor, any academic promoting the pretences is going to get an invitation to visit the Inquisition for a friendly little chat over a coffee and a buttered ham sandwich. And that academic better eat the buttered ham sandwich.

Alf says:

You just want people to be stupid so they’ll be easier to control.

That’s the response I get from hardcore leftists.

Normie boomers always respond along the lines of ‘but children ought to go to school for social and educational reasons!’ Normie younger generation always respond along the lines of ‘children ought to go to school for social reasons!’

The omission between generations is telling: everybody knows the public school system does not actually teach children anything useful. But hey, it’s not like children are playing outside carefree anymore, school has the network effect going, so school it is.

Fidelis says:

The alternative is letting the proles wander into someone else’s walled garden.

There is going to be a school of some kind, or the proles are going to mostly forget how to read and do basic math, until it gets to the point where, as in a famous story about the proles in rural Afghanistan, they believe that the drones flying overhead are piloted by mice. There is always an official common man doctrine, a catechism for the laymen, or there is a fractal set of doctrines, some of them cancerous and some of them deliberately seeded by enemies.

What we want is sane limited schooling for the proles, and a pipeline for the smarties into the prestigious state institutions. How we achieve this, what it looks like in the final form once we strip gay nigger communism out, who knows, but school is here to to stay.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Mossadnik stipulated Prussian schooling. Abolition of Prussian schooling does not mean abolition of all education, and does not even necessarily mean abolition of government schools, although I think most of us would like to see the latter.

Apprenticeships are schooling. Trade schools are schooling. Home schooling is schooling. Community colleges are schooling. There are other (better) ways to educate the public than the Prussian system. If you know any Silents, ask them what it was like under “Prussian lite” when high school was voluntary and university was strictly for the toffs; people were, on average, better educated under that system, and certainly far better socialized.

A lot of problems could be solved by merely eliminating the credential-issuing capacity of colleges and even high schools, and converting them back to strictly voluntary/hobbyist pursuits. That is a half-measure, of course, but would still go a long way.

Fidelis says:

A distinction without a difference, any school is going to be the prussian model, unless you want to argue very fine semantics such as whether or not the students speak German in class, and you did not acknowledge the actual thesis of my comment. School is not for skills, it is for catechising. Apprenticeship is not school, will never be school.

Abandoning school will be about as useful in the long run as telling everyone remotely right wing to go be a pipe fitter. It’s an own goal. Instead we want the catechising process to be painless and efficient, afterwards allowing everyone to continue on their different life paths.

The Cominator says:

Other than for basic literacy and arithmetic and limited civics (ie why democracy is fake and gay, why monarchy is the best system, why communism sucks, and why women have to be subordinated) we want to abolish school the idea we should maintain the prussian system for any long length of time is monstorous.

Proles need basic literacy and arithmetic only. Smarties will have plenty of opportunities since under my system we will go back to the FDR system of strict IQ requirements gatekeeping rank in all institutions.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

School is not for skills, it is for catechising.

That’s not school, it’s seminary. Rectification of names. If children must attend an institution run by the church in order to learn the state religion, admit it. And arrange it that way, i.e. have it run by the church, not the government.

But it was you, not I, who conflated this with the “three Rs” and what you consider to be essential life skills. What is so special about those particular skills? Who gets to decide? Are they essential for everyone? Does the Prussian system actually guarantee learning them? How did so many people learn it in the days before Prussian schooling, when the printing press and movable type were taking the world by storm?

If you want to have a mandatory seminary or “civics” class, fine; I’m not sure I agree but it is worthy of debate. And if you want to have “life skills” classes for the young, where parents who lack the time or resources or intelligence for home-schooling can send their children, also fine, although whether it should be publicly funded is debatable. Regardless, these are two very different problems, appearing in very different contexts, requiring very different solutions. Consolidating them into a single institution has helped no one.

There are always going to be some people who just need the discipline, and institutions tend to step in to fill that void. England had its boarding schools, America had its military schools and negroes had/have their charter schools, all fulfilling different needs for different demographics. If you think of these all as a “Prussian system” then I’d say that’s nitpicking, because it’s obviously the mandatory public school system we are talking about abolishing and not privately-funded institutions with voluntary attendance.

Fidelis says:

One of the plans for civilization reform presented here is tanks parked in front of Harvard and /our guys/ put in charge of the institution. Why is that? Is it because we are interested in quality education? No, it’s because it is a central node in coordinating and indoctrinating the network of people that maintain the unofficial state faith.

The introduction and maintenance of public schooling was and is a way of coordinating the public on official reality, starting from a young age. It was a replacement of the church, and it worked astoundingly well as we transitioned from agrarian to urban industrial.

Clearly we need to strip the institution down to the necessary ingredients, and not pretend we can turn a black into a white or a man into a woman through proper education, but wholesale destruction of the system is counterproductive. It arose for a reason, which is that you need memetic sovereignty to maintain physical sovereignty. You maintain memetic sovereignty by instilling the approved state faith from a young age.

Reform the system however you want, but you wont get rid of it, you will merely create a vacuum. This vacuum will be filled by the better quality person with training less destructive, and by the lower quality person with any practice someone wanting power sells them. I am suggesting that we acknowledge the ends for which the system really serves, and the three Rs were only tangential to these ends, and provide a system that does the same job without wasting everyone’s time and with a sane doctrine for laymen.

Shipman says:

> prussian

I might suggest that free-ignorance provides the necessary self-regulatory levels of the Civ, else unique merit and genius are either unable to develop, or get washed out in cesspools known as classrooms (todays democracy of least common). This does not mean that ones who do not progress on their own are left to become poo-flinging apes as inhabit the regions beyond the borderlands (todays cities), contrary they are simply schooled in the honorable nature of the Civ, such that even the poor-ignorant may, if comported well, deal well at hand even with priests lords and knights.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

but wholesale destruction of the system is counterproductive. It arose for a reason.
[…] Reform the system however you want, but you wont get rid of it

Unfortunately, when a garden is completely overtaken by weeds and pests, often the only solution is to kill everything in it and start over.

There is a period during which much can be saved, if the invaders are dealt with efficiently and effectively. We are long past that point. Whatever positive purpose Prussian public schooling might once have served, it is far beyond the point of any repair.

I don’t really accept your claim about public schooling working “astoundingly well”, either. That’s their narrative, not ours, and it relies on loose and suspect correlations. Like the “astoundingly” effective polio and measles vaccines that came out after herd immunity had already set in and infection rates were already falling, the public schools proliferated at a time when religious observance was already strong and literacy was already high and rising. I don’t believe it was nearly as effective as you assert, for skills OR for civics, it was just present in the metaphorical room at the right time to piggyback off society’s other accomplishments and take credit for them.

Fidelis says:

I am saying it worked astoundingly well for indoctrination into post-Christianity. I repeat again that the three Rs are tangential to this cause at best.

The old tutoring system worked great when the state faith was maintained on a family level during the pre-Christian times. The local church system worked when the demographic scale was not so large, but was outperformed by what we are calling the Prussian school system, which has as much relevance to education in practical matters as Harvard has to education in rocket engineering. The pieces which do not support memetic transfer, such as literacy during the age of reading, which is being replaced now with video and streaming, were ornamental, were excuses given to the previous elites to convince them of the need to have the new enlightened priests indoctrinate their clients.

Get rid of official schooling run by the state faith, you will just offer a petri dish for unofficial faiths and any other organizations interested in priestly power.

The Cominator says:

I’ve made my position abundantly clear on subversive activity, you simply kill the subversives. Oh you agree with Tabula Rasa, death penalty. You think women should be equal, death penalty. You want to make the country a democracy, death penalty. You want there to be long years of government schools, death penalty. You think high positions in the state or the military should be open to midwits and not just the top IQ levels, death penalty. You don’t torture people en masse with too much school. Schools and universities beyond the basics breed subversive activity they do not suppress it.

The Cominator says:

Also in the off chance I get my way I suspect we will need to use it very little after a while EXCEPT on the midwits who think they should be able to be promoted. I suspect if things ever got established that area of subversion will be greater than all the rest of the categories combined (well I suppose the persistent popularity of Tabula Rasa is related to the bioleninism problem of which the overly ambitious midwit problem is a subset). The IQ caste system will be immensely frustrating to ambitious midwits which means that they will always try to in a bioleninist way agitate against it until such time we can eliminate the overly ambitious midwits on a genetic level.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

I am saying it worked astoundingly well for indoctrination into post-Christianity.

So let me see if I’ve got this straight. The logic is: because the Prussian system was an effective tool of totalitarian repression against Christianity–or Christendom, more generally–we can conclude that not only will it be an effective tool for restoration of same, but in fact, the only truly effective tool?

If so, I think it’s very silly. Explosives and wrecking balls are tools of destruction and cannot be repurposed for construction, no matter how you much you change their ingredients or configuration. It is inherent to their being; it is their telos.

I think you may be using “Prussian” to mean “some sort of official religious instruction” but the Prussian school system refers to a very specific instrument designed for the explicit purpose of instilling obedience and squashing creativity, individuality and critical thinking. It is the same program for “labor grunts” that boot camp is for military grunts. This is not something a Christian society needs or benefits from, to say nothing of a high-tech society where manual labor is increasingly obsolete and blind obedience to the machine can literally mean death.

Maybe it made sense to deploy in the early days of the industrial revolution, where sweatshops and other human assembly lines were the pinnacle of progress, but today it’s little more than a blunt tool for subduing conquered nations. And I repeat, that is its inherent function, not merely a side effect of its post-modern form.

Jim says:

> we can conclude that not only will it be an effective tool for restoration of same, but in fact, the only truly effective tool?

Alfred the Great immediately institutes seminaries of the state religion. Worked.

Everyone was at least pressured, and a lot of people compelled at swordpoint, to attend Church services where they were sermoned by priests trained in those seminaries. Worked.

The Cominator says:

It was nothing like K-12 they learned basic literacy and elementary religious instruction.

Cloudswrest says:

We don’t need gun control we need tranny control.

hoe_math@ItIsHoeMath
We need common sense tranny control.

Trannies need to be licensed and numbered and locked up at all times. Harsher sentences for letting children play with a tranny. No more high capacity assault hormones.

Alf says:

Post-restoration, trannies are just going to disappear. Which is not a veiled threat, just a matter of fact statement. Just like literally nobody in the 17th century would think it normal to make ‘trans’ their identity, so the same thing will happen post-restoration. And together with the disappearance with trannies, the disappearance of fags. Both of which will very likely be preceded with the disappearance of cat ladies, ‘independent strong women’ and feminists.

A2 says:

Is the US mini-war against the Houthis really called Operation Pompous Golem?

The Cominator says:

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/protests-democrats-george-soros/2025/08/27/id/1224105/
The headline I’ve dreamt of forever. Trump uses the word RICO in regards to the Soros network, which will likely expand to most of the Democratic party as a whole.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QFYQTxTbcQ

Dharmicreality says:

Trump has successfully alienated one of the few leaders around the world that genuinely welcomed him back to power, Modi, by slapping India with 50% tariff on several categories of goods. Again it is perplexing why Trump wants to drive India deeper into BRICS and closer to Russia unless he’s playing 4D chess to weaken GAE power in South Asia with the CIA client state Pakistan remaining the only true “friend” of the Americans in the region.

But Pakistan will always be an unreliable client of the GAE and Trump ought to have known this. His support of the Pakistanis against India is also bewildering unless the CIA wrote his script for him. Modi has been so pissed off at the Tariffs that western media reported that he refused to take Trump’s phone calls.

Whatever his intentions Trump has accelerated the process of de-dollarisation around the world. Which ends up being a good thing overall.

Fidelis says:

What exactly is India offering the US again? What options does India have again?

India does not function as a sweatshop labor country for assembling iphones, apple tried. India as a geopolitical entity should also be a little more wary of the two massive powers right there in its neighborhood, rather than the one several oceans away.

That aside, you should figure out why Modi is so concerned with appearing strong on things that do not really matter. This is the same posturing all the EU bugocrats do. The meany mean mean Trump is charging us higher in funny money he is going to be ruined ruined ruined. Funnily enough, they all are quite demure in person and caved in to demands. India will be the same, because it has nowhere else to go. Russia sells gas, China needs nothing from India, SEA are more functional sweatshops, and so if India wants trade partners, needs the GAE network.

Dharmicreality says:

Funnily enough US relies on cheap generic drugs from India to keeps the cost of medical care down and surprise surprise – exempt from tariffs. Electronics as well exempt.

In a sense I am not expressing a grievance but rather making an observation about how Trump has unwittingly strengthened BRICS hand by driving India to search for new trade partners. I doubt Modi will cave in. Maybe a future prime minister might but Modi has too much prestige and image to lose if he is seen caving in to American demands.

Dharmicreality says:

India is in a difficult position because of the tariffs and there is no doubt about that. I am just curious as to what led to Trump and Modi becoming so distant and formal, while earlier they were quite close and friendly.

India values “strategic autonomy” a lot especially under Modi, while the US as is typical of empires past, recognises only its own client states or enemies/clients of enemies and nothing in between.

Jamesthe1st says:

I mean this well but fuck India and flooding America with a stupid amount of people. You all need to focus on improving yourselves instead of joining the pillage America train.

Dharmicreality says:

Oh come on, you don’t mean this well. This discussion is purely about trade and tariffs and you are deliberately muddying the waters.

The issue of allowing H1B has nothing to do with India as a geopolitical entity or its foreign policy and entirely to do with GAE’s own policy of allowing foreign immigrants on its native soil. If US hadn’t opened its doors, nay floodgates, no brown immigrant problem for you today.

Blame the white globohomo leftists in power in your country for your ills.

You are trying to mix up different issues.

The Cominator says:

I think its mostly our own domestic traitors but India to my understanding asks for immigration provisions in trade negotiations.

yewotm8 says:

It is quite strange to hear that we are getting millions of very bright, highly qualified workers from India, and at the same time the Indian government is quite happy to see them go. Why would they encourage the departure of their best and brightest, especially when their smart fraction is already so meagre and sorely needed at home to balance out the unwashed masses?

Karl says:

It was never the Indian government flooding the US with Indian immigrants. It was always a US government importing immigrants.

If an Indian wants to leave India, the Indian government is free to let him go. If an Indian wants to enter the US, it the task of the US government to stop him.

Guards are to prevent entry, not exit – unless you are running a prison. Countries should not be prisons.

Dharmicreality says:

I’m sure Modi would love to have the best and brightest Indian minds working at ISRO rather than NASA.

The fact that many upper caste Hindus fled to foreign shores in the last 50 to 60 years in search of livelihood is a result of Nehruvian Socialism’s affirmative action and not Hindutva.

Sher Singh says:

Russia unless he’s playing 4D chess to weaken GAE power in South Asia with the CIA client state Pakistan remaining the only true “friend” of the Americans in the region.

Exactly.
Trump coming back to power sets back leftism & makes it low status.
Leftism or modernity is seen as “American” by the average Indian.
Ie we copy the West – sexual freedom, modernity, equality etc – and we get rich.

Throwing a wrench in that is very, very good.
Look at the cancelled pride parades around Endia & the unwillingness to provide security.

https://rshinde.substack.com/p/the-future-of-indias-growth
https://rshinde.substack.com/p/indias-second-1991-moment

This article basically points out that India needs a few simple fixes to surge growth.
There are 15 judges per million against the required 50 and 100 in the USA (too many IMO).
That alone would add 3-4% GDP growth per annum.

It’s low hanging fruit, and would also fix many caste issues & farm issues probably.
Ie trust in the system.

Another thing is the structure of the bureaucracy.

There are a lot of state level bureaucrats, but relatively few at the municipal/federal level.
The opposite of China.

From a Khalistani/Sikh POV – having stronger village chieftains + a direct relationship with Delhi is superior.

State level bureaucrats are mostly from out of state anyway, and cause corruption, inefficiency, and resentment.

Not to mention the linguistic barriers/issues.

Reforming/modifying the judiciary and bureaucracy is easier said than done, but would make India work.

The gap left by state level governments would be naturally filled by religious orgs who could actually speak out against Leftism under the Indian nuclear umbrella.

The enemy must be confronted.

ਅਕਾਲ

Mayflower Sperg says:

Guards are to prevent entry, not exit – unless you are running a prison. Countries should not be prisons.

Ukraine is a prison, at least for white men. If you’re a woman, or a nigger with a brand-new Ukrainian passport, you’re free to go.

What about countries where women must be married by their twenty-third birthday? Are they supposed to just let young women leave and be whores somewhere else?

If the state can draft men into the army, it can draft women into marriage and motherhood, but in either case it must close its borders to draft-dodgers.

FrankNorman says:

Or let them leave… but then not let them come back.

Karl says:

Draft in peace times is compatible with allowing men to leave their country. When they come back, they might be tried for draft dodging. Most countries in Western Europe in the second half of the 20th century had a draft and allowed young men to travel. These countries have not been prisons.

War is a state of exception. Whatever laws a country has in peace, different laws apply when the country is at war. Ukraine is at war, it is also a prison. It should be neither. Why did you bring Ukraine up?

If there were a law that women have to be married at a defined age, it would have to enforced by marrying them off. The husband will then have to enforce his marriage, maybe with some help from the authorities. Whether women can leave their country or not will be irrelevant for the enforcement of such a law.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

What about countries where women must be married by their twenty-third birthday? Are they supposed to just let young women leave and be whores somewhere else?

Of course not. Women would not have free-movement rights in such a country, because they are property. The border guards would see those unescorted women and offer them, politely at first and forcefully if they refuse, a ride back into town where their husband or father is waiting.

Why should any society apply the same set of laws to men and women? It may be the status quo today, but it’s still feminist nonsense.

hcm says:

India had the option of maintaining a very nice, mystic aura to most Westerners. But you had to expose use to your bottom 99.99%.

Sher Singh says:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkOOKp8IrJo&t=138s

Interesting vid on Jatts.
7/8 were lactose tolerant.
Same athletic profile as W Eurasians.

Closer to Tajiks vs India at large.
Some samples about equal distance to Europe v India

India meaning Gangetic plain.
Equal distance between rest of Punjab & C Asia.

Yaman says:

What is this “Thermidor” I keep seeing?
What is its function?
Who is enrolled in it?
Who funds and designs it?
It’s almost like people beg of this thing, but I’m not so sure.

Jim says:

> What is this “Thermidor” I keep seeing?

Thermidor has appeared through the ages again and again, as leftism approaches the left singularity, when everyone tortures everyone else to death for insufficient leftism. Some leftists panic as their unprincipled exceptions are threatened, and want to stabilise leftism at current year leftism, plus a few of last year’s unprincipled exceptions. And then, again and again discover that leftism cannot be stabilised at any level of leftism. Thermidor is these leftists.

In the current incarnation of Thermidor, a whole lot of wealthy and powerful tech oligarchs, pious leftists in good standing in the left, many of them poofters, discovered that their good standing was being removed, and their businesses reinvented from producing goods or services at a profit, to funding an ever growing body of priests of leftism to engage in full time priesting. At the same time a whole lot of Rino Republicans discovered that it was impossible to be sufficiently hostile to their voter base, and they were going to redefined as openly Nazi, no matter what they said or did.

So the tech oligarchs launched a Trumpist conspiracy, and the Rinos passively went along with it, resulting in the 2024 election not being stolen.

Maga is not Thermidor, it is in an uneasy alliance with Thermidor, an alliance that may break at any moment. Both sides want Trump to purge the other side, while Trump shakily tries to straddle two horses who want to go in different directions.

(((The Zuck))), who infamously signed up with Thermidor a little bit late, and is trying to make up for his lateness, is the most entertaining and well known example. He may be Jewish and treacherous, but at least he is straight.

Marc Andreessen and Musk are the most prominent founding members of the current Thermidor. Musk is not only straight, but extremely straight, maintaining a substantial harem, having numerous children, and keeping his numerous concubines under firm manly control.

FrankNorman says:

Yaman, if you want to know why “Thermidor” is called that, the name comes from the Thermidorian Reaction, a faction among the leaders of the French Revolution. They were happy to see the old nobility get beheaded, but wanted that sort of thing to stop before they were next.

TheDividualist says:

Dear Jim, dear Gentlemen,

Recently I got into an interesting debate. People told me they much favour public things like public transport, parks, libraries, hospitals, because the splendour of the state was always public things like the Great Library of Alexandria, the Colosseum. Great things require collective effort, Crassus, no matter how rich, could not have built the Colosseum, and no one even remembers what the palace Crassus built was like. Private things are rarely that great. I said a bunch of buses is not that great either, they said no, but the TGV and the Shinkansen are greatness. I had to admit they have half a point. (This argument interestingly sounded like Maurras-type French Reaction, which was always a little bit socialist.)

I told them my beef with public things is I have to trust people too much, like I do not trust the homeless to not crap in public parks or in the trains, nor the state to put a stop to that. I want control. I can control my own property, and on the market I can exercise the control of choice. Less trust required.

Then I realized I do not trust people because I live under a shitty government. Suppose good governance makes people trustworthy (and removes the incorrigibles). Then what? Go for a limited socialism then, lots of public things? And let’s build a public park that puts the Hanging Gardens of Babylon to shame? Admittedly the idea is attractive, but something was still off to me.

Eventually I realized the mistake is confusing ownership with use. Nothing should “the public” own, “the public” is not a thing. The King or the Church should own some things, and some of those things should be open for public USE.

This is inherently self-limiting, because ownership is always a headache, and when we are talking about something non-profit, or not for our personal use, often we do not want to own them. We then only want to own them if we are interested in them. If I would be passionate about saving endangered species, then and only then I would own a Gerald Durell type non-profit species-saving zoo. Otherwise just unnecessary headache.

That makes it self-limiting. So the King is likely not interested in the headache of owning hospitals, and the Church is only interested in owning hospitals if they are explicitly charitable hospitals for the poor. Neither are interested in owning bus lines, that is such a textbook entrepreneur thing, much like trucking. Now a TGV or Shikansen is indeed too big to be entirely private, and does contribute to the splendour of the state… I think it would be owned by… hm, I don’t know, an association of the King, businessmen and Engineer’s Guild. That was how Tzarist Russia did it. Of course it would be called Royal Railroad, but only part-owned by the King, because he does not really need that kind of headache of owning it fully.

What do you think?

Jim says:

Russia and China seem to be markedly more successful in producing public and semi public goods than the West — compare the Russian subway with the New York subway.

Varna says:

The state in China owns all land, like the crown in eras past, so when you get some property, you don’t buy it to be yours in perpetuity, it’s more of a lease for 70 years. Once it runs out in theory you renew it easily and for free, but time will tell, when the first 70 years start running out.

In theory it’s similar in the UK and it’s vassals like Canada and Australia. The crown owns everything, you just lease it for a century or ten. In Singapore it’s like China, and in Hong-Kong a mix of the English and Chinese systems. Still a lease-holder, never an outright owner.

The old-timey Soviet free housing for everyone didn’t mean that everyone gets to own an apartment or a room, or even that everyone gets to rent them, but rather that you are assigned a place with a corresponding “right of use”. The state builds it, then you are assigned the right to live there, according to your job and social status. You only pay utilities which are kept low via state interference. However, since you don’t own your place, even if you’ve lived there for half a century, you can’t sell it or rent it or have someone inherit it. At best you can get your kids to inherit your “right to use”, and take it over once you croak.

(Once soviet-style communism collapsed, the “democracy dividend” in Eastern Europe was people becoming actual proper owners of their formerly state-built “right to use” homes. It’s been over three decades since then, and much of that property has been sold off, but still to this day most EE countries have higher home ownership rates compared to most western countries, due to this initial “capitalism dividend” once the previous system collapsed. Over here we can see which EE countries held on to their property, and which went on a selling spree (the Slovenes and the Czechs) https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/home-ownership-rate)

But getting back to China; when people compare “China’s huge debt” with the Western debt, they tend to miss a crucial point. In both cases there’s lots of “imaginary money” circulating, but in one case it is instantly translated into real material infrastructure for the population’s convenience, while in the other case it just sort of evaporates somewhere.

Anyone who has lived in China between say 2000 and 2010 (or between 1990 and 2000), can testify what absolutely astounding changes, at breakneck speed, too place back then. Now they’re slowing down, how can they not, with their crap demography, but boy when they were at it they were really at it. Many of us would hang ourselves if forced to actually live in Asiatic megapolises; EE 30K+ towns are vastly superior in terms of not having your nervous system worn down by megalithic cyberpunk machinery (or by western decay), but the fact is it’s the 22 century in respectable chunks of country over there and has been for a generation.

Most people around the world still live with a 1990s image of China. And of Eastern Europe, for that matter.

Varna says:

All right gentlemen, I’m again dipping out until possibly the winter. Good health to everyone!

Bix Nudelmann says:

Off Topic:

I’m’a need a Jimmy take on “K-Pop Demon Hunters” sometime. It’s taking the world by storm out there, was the first movie to ever go from Netflix to theaters, and many of its musical numbers are dominating the Music Hot 100 now.

I do a little low-effort scratching around and find:

Just one Karen on the top-level production team (but plenty of Euro’s and Asians, one a Jew and a Punjabi in a pear tree).

All-Asian voice talent.

Fucking zero character “diversity”. I’m still convinced that K-pop is popular primarily because it’s higher-IQ and negro-free by definition (though not at all Judenrein at the top).

The most convincing “mating dance” depictions I’ve seen in a long time, and very blatantly honoring young women’s perfect helplessness against the Mister 1-in-30 Demon Bad Boy.

It all reminds me of the USSR losing its “aspirational sovereignty” towards the end, and the kids all trading bread and toothpaste for contraband Levi’s and bootleg Metallica and Michael Jackson tapes.

Alf says:

The most convincing “mating dance” depictions I’ve seen in a long time, and very blatantly honoring young women’s perfect helplessness against the Mister 1-in-30 Demon Bad Boy.

Hah well sounds like that goes a long way in explaining the success.

From what I’ve seen there’s also this longstanding subversive theme of “girl has power which is suppressed by the patriarchy and she must learn to accept herself” but I haven’t watched the series.

Bix Nudelmann says:

Thank you for noticing what I’d missed:

No “patriarchy” at all. No “the man keeping us down”. No “resistance” against some vague and illegitimate conspiracy. Not one authority figure or institution that isn’t properly and rightfully what it actually is.

Very Asian in that regard. Very literal.

The Demon Hunters fight demons, and that’s it. They’re not struggling against or “fixing” any of their fellow people, which is ALL of the people. They’re singing to help, not to humiliate.

Jim says:

K-pop Demon hunters is good, and a huge improvement on the stuff they have been trying shove down our throats, but it still a girly movie. No male heroes. The love interest is for the female audience to get the hots, not for the male audience. It is the entertainment equivalent of Thermidor. It is a girly movie that also appeals to guys, as Indiana Jones movies from 1981 to 1884 were men’s movies that also appealed to girls.

And the romance was, for a strikingly and unusual change, realistic, but did not break any taboos. He passed all shit tests with amused indifference. The safe way. Never got a shit test requiring more drastic measures. Compare and contrast with the final shit test in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.

Bix Nudelmann says:

Compare and contrast with the final shit test in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.

When she stomps off in an indignant huff and he catches her with his whip and yanks her back, into a triumphant kiss? Gotcha bitch! Steamy!

Bix Nudelmann says:

fix retarded blockquoting plz

Aidan says:

That is a good but fairly tame shit test pass. You can get away with it in real life all the time. Girl pulls away when you make a move, you grab her and pull her back in for a kiss. Works like a charm.

The upper limit of shit test passes is “High Plains Drifter”. That one you have to be very careful

Humungus says:

Movies…

Greetings all,

Humungus recommends F1 The Movie. It is fast paced, mostly race scenes of an aging race car driver who proves he still has what it takes to win: decisive fearlessness.

As you know, Humungus likes fast cars and fuel injected V8 engines. F1s are V6s but are capable of 230mph. This is where Humungus likes to be.

Adam says:

I loved it. Reminded me of good movies of old. Still has girlbosses and migroids but no fags or troons.

Tony says:

This doesn’t seem to fit the Left’s nor Hamas’s fake news narrative…

https://x.com/GAZAWOOD1/status/1961430401156526439

Doubt it’s prevalent, but certain scalability does apparently exist.
Probably some neighboring Sheikh promoting himself via charity op.

Jim says:

Trump Gaza

Mossadnik says:

A question that Englishmen, and really all Europeans, will soon be asking themselves is, “Can we vote our illegitimate regimes away?” Well, if only men were voting, that would probably be possible (then again, if only men were voting, we wouldn’t be in this situation in the first place). But alas, women do vote, and women are totally nuts — particularly single childless women, which many today are — and they also wet their panties at the prospect of violent rape.

But there is a God-Emperor in the White House, and perhaps he can help the Europeans out – one way or another. So, if it turns out, as is not unlikely, that Europeans cannot actually vote their illegitimate regimes away, then some other solution will have to be implemented to remove those illegitimate regimes from power, if the white race, Christianity, and civilization itself in Europe are to survive.

Mossadnik says:

Even if the illegitimate regimes of Europe can be voted away now, there is limited time to do so in those countries where the thirdies are already significant minorities; in about 10-15 years those populations will make it absolutely impossible to peacefully (or orderly) install effective pro-deportation regimes.

So it’s either peaceful regime changes soon, somehow or other, or rather non-peaceful situations later.

Anon says:

This may sound like fed posting ,
But suppose that you want to overthrow the regime in London, what it is power points (the military, the police , the security apparatus and the civilian antifa foot soldiers) considering that some protesters where able to reach military base and damage military equipments with ease , probably allowed by some insider, but show how fractures the security system are.
The police and security Ms are paper pusher. That leaves the antifa mops.

What you need ? Well that the question , you need a standard around which young men to come , you need organization build to prepare for the take over and the subsequent mess , and here lay the problem , the regime maybe not good for kinetics power grab but it is very good at disrupting and shills game , they are priest and know very well how to infiltrate and take over hostile organization, the military take over is the easy one , it is the organization the hard problem

Jim says:

The revolutionaries have a standard, a flag, the British flag. But they don’t have a leader to coordinate combat, nor a prophet to tell them what the flag stands for.

And of course, cannot be a namefag leader nor a namefag prophet, because they would be instantly taken out.

Comes the hour, comes the man, it is said. But I do not yet see the man.

When the man comes, the British state is likely to crack like an egg.

Pax Imperialis says:

What would happen if the king suddenly had an epiphany. Could he be taken out?

C4ssidy says:

The incentives are very different, a monarch with an epiphany has a slow grind ahead over 50 years, way out of time sync of incentives of progressive bureaucrats. A slow grind gives no incentive for deep state to pull a Trump/JDK-style assassination on the monarch, and if he were to move too fast… historically an open question, but I think at worse would just get ignored. The apparatus still does a great job of purging anti-monarch sentiment from state and quasi-state roles. The downside is that a slow grind, even if started today, is unlikely to do enough in time to save the county, unless of course the monarch himself decided to back a great man, or else to be one himself, which are obviously the only appropriate ways to talk about a great man in the context of a Britain, revolution being against fundamental values of reaction (undermining the right of one monarch to sink his own ship undermines the principle of monarchy in general, which in the long run is a far worse thing to do. Places like USA are very different as it’s an unfilled position)

Yengal says:

dumbest thing i ever heard

“King” CharlesIII is a fucking limp dicked simp leftist with absolutely zero power, he’s more the King of Ghey than anything else.

Hasn’t been a King in Scotland, Ireland, England, anywhere in NW Europa since at least the early-mid 1800s, and a REAL King and actual Monarchy with Military Knights functional citadels and shit, for 100’s before that. And a fully-meritous non-Hereditary Monarch backed by peoples revolt… those are extreme rarity.

Wish for one, because the world needs a refresh out of the sad Tarpits of Democracy.

c4ssidy says:

There’s an obvious deep state in British society dedicated to preventing anti-monarchists from entering higher circles. If the king is just a figurehead, what do they make so much effort to protect? And who exactly appoints, pays for, and directs them, to get up to this task, continually, and over successive generations? Second, the monarch’s involvement with government affairs, while being officially zero, is also opaque, and spokesmen releasing statements confirming that the monarch really doesn’t do anything at all, dress it up in strange double-speak about parliament giving consent to ask the queen to acknowledge refusal to give to consent to whatever… reminiscent of being fired by being ‘asked to leave’. The best argument is probably just to point to it being a closed system.

Jim says:

The permanent government grew up around royalty, and under the weak, fat, and lazy George the fourth, disempowered him, which led to a whole lot of sparks flying, but he was not man enough, and was too busy philandering, to do anything very effectual about it. So presumably once the dust settled, there were no end of compromises and backroom deals, which are probably still in place.

Alf says:

If the king is just a figurehead, what do they make so much effort to protect?

Because the king for centuries on end did not use to be a figurehead. Used to be rather important. All that power and might has eroded away, but has eroded unevenly. Some traditions still stand, some forms of power still stand. An unprincipled exception here, an unprincipled exception there. In theory, a motivated and secretly based king would not be completely powerless to turn the tide.

But of course we have no such king, nowhere in Europe. Such men are rare. The kings we have instead are complacent men, scared to rock the boat and lose what little power they have left.

Pax Imperialis says:

Figureheads are still powerful symbols of legitimacy and authority. Just as the Japanese Emperor lost power to the Shoguns, the Shoguns still fought amongst each other to gain control of the figurehead to cement their power.

Hypothetical, the Emperor of Japan does a press conference backed by a major party announcing the end of the current regime and a restoration of Japanese independance, who would stop him?

From the outside it appear only the Emperor is preventing it. Same in the UK. The remaining monarchs have no vision.

A reactionary element could provide that vision. Their goal should be to drag the monarch on board in a similar way the Thailand Coup dragged their party boy king on board, or how the MAGA right is dragging Trump on board. Less kmportant the king’s opinion, more important they get safely pushed onto the throne.

Alf says:

Yes this could work. The main problem of course that said reactionary element must be powerful enough to drag along a king. Which in Europe, unfortunately, is a long way from happening.

Pax Imperialis says:

@Yengal

Tracking the king is cucked, but in theory would he be able to execute a coup. Moldbug seems to think so. I’m inclined to agree.

The monarchy has largly become symbolic, but symbols are powerful. Just as the Union Jack represents a nation hopelessly cucked and gay, the English still rally to it and are willing to martyr themselves while drapped in it. Just as millions of Brits went over the trenches for God and King, even though Great Britain was for all intents not run by the King, how many millions would answer the King’s call for a restoration of the nation?

Again, provided the King had a sudden change of heart, would be able to pull it off? It would boil down to how safe he is from the regime removing him. In that reguard, it’s a bit of a black box. The armed forces would likely follow him, but there’s a lot of other personel surrounding him which are from tge general security apparatus who’s loyalties are murky at best.

Mossadnik says:

Let’s see if Europeans can vote their oppressive regimes out. I wouldn’t count on it.

JUST IN – For the first time, populist right-wing parties are leading the polls in the U.K., France and Germany — WSJ

https://x.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1962087304690049071

Thermidor is coming to Europe.

If, however, “voting harder” will not succeed — for the usual reasons — then another solution will be required.

Jim says:

Voting harder did not work in Spain. The uniparty just had a change of carnival barkers, while the permanent government placidly continued on its way. Spain and Britain are drifting into revolution. New elections are not due in Britain till 2029, and there is reasonable concern that Reform will just be a change of carnival barkers for the permanent government.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

populist right-wing parties

Tangentially, “populism” is such an irritating little left-wing fnord, impossible to intuitively understand outside of a liberal/progressive frame; the concept of a “populist right-wing party” is a 3-way contradiction in terms.

The meaning of “populist” is always the same in context: “sincere democracy”, as in enacting the policies that voters actually voted for, rather than enacting whatever policies benefit globohomo and telling the voters afterward that they voted for it. While the former sounds, and maybe is, preferable to the latter, and is doubtless horrifying to the laptop class, there is nothing right-wing about it.

They want to pull the same trick that the Bolsheviks and Stalinists pulled when they persuaded the world that Communism and Nazism were actually mortal enemies, as opposed to different flavors of a nearly-identical ideology. Democracy and Populism are identical systems, asserting identical ideologies, differing only in their degree of indifference to the Electoral Process.

Whenever I see the word “populist”, I get a strong Emmanuel Goldstein vibe: we are supposed to hate them, but it makes no difference if we sympathize. On a related note, the political class was very fond of the term “populist” for Trump and the people in his orbit in the 2016 era, but has very rarely deployed it in the 2024 era. I wonder why. (Not really.)

The Cominator says:

Populism derives from the Roman populares faction. And I would argue it does have meaning sometimes anyway and its not inherently left wing, its only left wing if the elite is actually right wing or if you are dealing with a totally left wing populares. Julius Caesar was a right wing populares.

Right wing populares do not promise free shit except maybe in response to decades of elite theft and its narrowly tailored, they basically promise that the elite will no longer be able to rob you blind.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Populism derives from the Roman populares faction.

This is sperg etymology trivia and has no relation to the modern usage – except maybe in a “decline and fall of the Roman empire” context.

Populism as a concept is presumptively partisan and presumptively democratic, and a DE-compatible government has neither democracy nor political parties.

Left-wing alarmism over populism is performative; its payload is “vote harder”, because they know that voting harder doesn’t work. Doesn’t work even if the populists win.

Aidan says:

We’re up to six mysterious and unexplained deaths of AfD candidates in Germany now. Voting their way out is not going to happen

Anonymous says:

I vaguely remember some poison injection incident (maybe a handshake?) happening to an AfD member a few years ago. Tried googling to confirm it but there are so many stories of attacks on AfD people that it’s difficult to narrow it down.

Karl says:

Chrupalla, co-chairman of the AfD, was pierced with a needle. It’s unclear what, if anything has been injected to him

Pax Imperialis says:

I don’t believe they were assassinated. All were old and had preexisting health conditions. There are 20,000 (~10,000 AFD) candidates running in the local elections. Elections which are mostly for offices that hold nearly no power. Statistically, about 1 in 1,000 monthly death chance for the age demographic, likely high when factoring in health. Other parties have had deaths in the run up to the election.

Higher level leadership is another story and is deeply concerning. Multiple attacks have occurred on their lives and property. Most attacks are either direct and personal, or involve some sort of arson. 2023 saw 86 attacks (can’t find statistics for more recent years), more than any party, nearly all conducted by low level Antifa thugs. Assassinations like speculated about currently require a level of state planning and coordination that we haven’t seen yet, and are unlikely, at the moment, to being currently conducted. Not saying it’s impossible, but I don’t think Germany has reached that level of political violence just yet. It’s possible that’s where they are headed.

There are foreign political reasons why the German government is unlikely to go this route. Trump and company having been backing AFD and are seeking to realign Europe. Any whiff of nefarious state activities by Western governments would provide attack points and justification for Washington to de-legitimize and destabilize the current Western regime.

Nonetheless, further investigation is warranted.

Mossadnik says:

Voting their way out is not going to happen

That could well be the case; nevertheless I believe that Trump should exert effort to Thermidorize Europe and remove the current Globohomo regimes there, particularly in Britain. (His help for Real Israelis versus our own deep state is very, very highly appreciated, by the way.) The more “bases” Globohomo loses, the harder it will be for these faggots to recover.

Global Coup.

Mossadnik says:

I mean, “just letting Europe fall” (as genuine poasters and paid shills alike might suggest) is a strategic mistake. Of course, not saying that Trump should only help them out through “voting harder”; he may just as well declare open war against treasonous European governments and bomb them to Hell. But at least in some countries, an American-backed autocoup via True Elections could possibly work.

Imagine planet Earth with no progressive regimes, Satan having nowhere to hide.

Grout says:

O Ye of Verses, what are in the Bible authorizing [*This sounds like a gotcha question. First, conform to the moderation policy, and if you want inquire about Christianity, first affirm that Christ is King, born in Bethlehem, died at Jerusalem, and is, is from before the beginning of the world. Through him all things were created. Fully God and fully man. God is three and God is one.*]

Jim says:

The Christian interpretation of the law of war is within the Christian frame, and I suspect I am about to be told that it is wrong within your frame, and that your frame is going to be the Jewish or “Judeo Christian” frame. Pardon my paranoia, but I get a lot of that.

Mossadnik says:

I don’t know what the Thermidor/hasbara shills are pushing, but my own opinion is that Christians should not Judaize – yet the Old Testament is there for good reasons, which apply in many different contexts. It’s a reservoir of Divine Law (mixed with other stuff, no doubt, which “other stuff” Christians should not adopt), which Christ came not to abolish, but to fulfill.

Mossadnik says:

The West, for instance, can solve some of its problems by properly reading Friedrich Nietzsche.

It can solve many more of those problems by properly reading the Bible, in its entirety.

f6187 says:

The West, for instance, can solve some of its problems by properly reading Friedrich Nietzsche.

Yes, and by properly reading Arthur Schopenhauer. Somewhat black-pilled on the WQ, though not entirely. His aim was not to discourage or denigrate, but to penetrate and dispel delusion. He occasionally wrote in praise of women.

Many of my sisters in Christ have gotten a clue from God’s clue-bag. Many discuss the necessity — and *blessing* — of submission to the husband. In one video titled “Men are better artists than women,” that dear sister states pointedly that creativity in art, music, poetry, prose, sculpture, and architecture is inherently masculine, and the feminine serves as inspiration for and receptacle of the products of creativity, to the benefit of the next generation.

When God created a “helper” for man, the Hebrew word there is עֵ֫זֶר (“etz-ehr”), which means ally or supporter. It’s the same word used for “military ally” and even refers to the support and rescue from YHWH Himself.

Point being, the woman should be like a loyal lieutenant to her general, always supportive and alert to threats, and always respectful of authority. Her intuition should be tuned to detect any important issue the general might not see in his primary focus. Her knack for detecting subtle social cues should serve as military intelligence for the family — and not serve idle chatter, gossip, dissension, and grandstanding.

She should also sense the general’s need for a round of hard-core sex, followed with a sandwich, cut diagonally, and a light for his cigarette. And she should love it, bask in the warm glow, and thank him for the privilege.

Neurotoxin says:

“It’s the same word used for “military ally” and even refers to the support and rescue from YHWH Himself.”

FUCKING WHAT!? Did you just seriously say that someone needs rescuing from God?

Did you think the Satanic blasphemy would slide because you buried it in the middle of a comment?

Mossadnik says:

I believe that he refers to support coming from (or given by) God, not a Satanic heresy.

Neurotoxin says:

Well, I sure hope that’s what he meant. It makes a lot more sense, obvs.

f6187 says:

F6187:

… and even refers to the support and rescue from YHWH Himself.”

Neurotoxin:

FUCKING WHAT!? Did you just seriously say that someone needs rescuing from God?

YIKES! Fuck no.

If I had only said “support from YHWH” it would have been obvious that I meant “support received from YHWH.” But yes, when I said “support and rescue”, for some the “rescue” might bind more tightly with “from” and therefore suggest some vile heresy of being rescued from God.

Now that you mention it, I distinctly recall a spidey-sense tingle in my left brain when writing that, but I glossed over it in a split second cuz I thought “nah, it’s clear that the support and rescue are coming from God.” I’m gonna watch that next time. Language is a helluva thing, especially on the internet with strangers.

Neurotoxin says:

Glad to hear it, and thank you for clearing that up.

Mossadnik says:

Homosexuals — men who fart the semen of other men — tell you that Christianity is cucked. Then when you point out extremely based stuff in the Old Testament, they screech and whine about Jews and Jewishness and Semitism.

I suggest that men who fart the semen of other men do not, as a rule, hold healthy worldviews

Oog en Hand says:

What about tearing out the New Testament, in particular the Sermon on the Mount, and following Leviticus 18:22 [*The rest deleted for carrying water for postChristians, as if no one disputed the postChristian interpretation of Christianity.*]

Mossadnik says:

OT+NT is the best kernel for regenerating civilization; both components should be read in light of and alongside the other. You can then overlay OT+NT with Nietzsche (for instance); but you can’t replace it with Nietzsche, which is what some subversives now advocate.

Oog en Hand says:

[*deleted for having no comprehensible relationship to what was said*]

Jim says:

I suppose you are making a joke comparing the Vulgate to the Talmud. Or something. Or you are doing a “now for something completely different” improv.

Mossadnik says:

For example, if people who follow the Bible tend to be fertile and have women under control, and people who follow demonic caricatures of the Bible and “other philosophies” tend to be infertile and not have women under control, then that’s a sure sign that society should be, if nothing else, inspired by the Bible, at least if it isn’t possessed by a death wish. (For that matter, the Koran has some good stuff too. But not nearly as good.)

Sodomites and their enablers work really hard to preclude that understanding from gaining ground. And yet, slowly, it is gaining ground.

Mossadnik says:

Likewise with the shitskin migroid problem. It might have some Nietzschean solutions. It definitely has, all the more so, Biblical solutions. Faggots and other demoniacs tell you that they hate the Bible because it’s cucked and weak, but that’s a lie – it’s precisely the based stuff, that is Divine Law, that they hate, and they hate it whether it’s found in the Old Testament, the New Testament, the Koran, or any other scripture. It’s exactly the good stuff that allows a nation to thrive that they hate, whatever their pretenses otherwise.

Mossadnik says:

Following Divine Law allows a nation to make war, and allows it to make peace. Jesus Christ, the Logos, struck a beautiful balance, in my opinion. Faggots/demoniacs, in seeking to commit Deicide, attack it from both directions, as either too peaceful or too warlike (they might even make both criticisms simultaneously). It’s just a FUCK YOU, DAD! directed at the Father in Heaven and His Reality.

I don’t claim that Israel is good or that Hamas is good; I do claim that both Israel and Hamas are better than gay philosophy.

Jim says:

I don’t claim that Israel is good or that Hamas is good; I do claim that both Israel and Hamas are better than gay philosophy.

They are both rather bad, actually, though bad in such fundamentally different ways that it is absurd try to compare their badness. You, of course, are a Jew. You would rather that Israel be right than wrong, but right or wrong, you are Israel.

Not that today’s postChristians are in any shape to throw stones at Judaism, for some substantial and living strains of Judaism are in much better shape than 99% of today’s Churches. As you said, Hamas is better than postModernist garbage.

Mossadnik says:

You would rather that Israel be right than wrong, but right or wrong, you are Israel.

There is much to criticize Israel on from a genuine Christian perspective, but most of the criticism I hear, and the one I address here, comes from more-or-less explicit anti-Christians. It’s not Israel’s negative aspects that piss them off, but exactly its positive aspects, meager and insufficient as one may adjudge them.

I can accept (some versions of) “Israel is bad”; I reject “Israel is bad because not gay enough,” and likewise I reject “Mohammedanism is bad because not gay enough,” which latter position the Thermidorians are pushing.

Mossadnik says:

(You cannot derive healthy social technologies, such as those that allow extended cooperation for warfare, or those that allow patriarchal marriage, from a philosopher, a favorite of subversive deviants, who argued that “God is dead” and that you can just make up your own morality. Yes, one can come up with all kinds of moral systems on one’s own; but morality is only healthy insofar as it conforms to objective reality; and diseased morality is an oxymoron. You don’t get this from Nietzsche, and you certainly don’t get it from his modern-day followers, some of whom are in perpetual rebellion against objective reality. This is not to say that he’s all totally bad; but for functional social technologies, a society should follow Divine Law, manifest in the observable world, and Revealed in Scripture.)

Anonymous Fake says:

Protestantism is strange for being offensive to Catholics and Jews for completely different reasons. It’s blatantly heresy in over 33,000 different ways to a Catholic and that’s all there is to it, but to a Jew, it’s excessively friendly (“philosemitic”) and thus a threat due to provoking conversions, and Jews have no problems neutralizing enemies who don’t even realize what and why they’re doing because who cares what the goyim think. If the ideal Christian loves an enemy, the ideal Jew hates a friend.

The unnatural cooperation between Jews and protestants is thus a key historical plot device to understand where we are. The link is that of acceptance of modern capitalism, which includes both usury and legitimate investment. A negative and a positive variable. For centuries, protestants did well for themselves with capitalism because there were more investment opportunities than damage done by usury, and those opportunities were largely God granted (wiping out evil savage tribes with smallpox etc leaving population voids to fill). And certain geographies needed exceptionally heavy capital investment, like Switzerland and the Netherlands and the US Midwest and Great Lakes regions. Protestant strongholds, and often firmly Calvinist.

The tribes are back now. There aren’t as many investment opportunities. Meritocracy makes the nigras and wimminz angry and the study robot East Asians are too good at it legitimately, South Asians are too good at cheating, etc. And the chains of usury are shackled on the West. Jews do well with this. For now. But for later…

[*Jesuit propaganda deleted. You guys have been murdering princes for five centuries.*]

Jim says:

Of the thirty three thousand heresies you mentioned, thirty thousand or so are one Pope after another for the last thousand years prostituting the faith to the momentary urgent needs of war and politics, and the other three thousand are the lavender mafia.

Thirty three thousand is hyperbole, more like sixty or a hundred.

All of them are indefensible. All of them are traceable to corruption and wickedness — starting all the way back with the Nicolaitians denigrating marriage, with Origen the pervert, with the fraudulent protoevangelium of James. Wicked people performing evil acts while coming up with evil doctrines. Shall the murderers of princes tell us what Christianity is?

dharmicreality says:

I don’t know how much the Western media is covering this significant geopolitical development.

Modi at the SCO summit

India and Russia have always stood shoulder to shoulder even in the most difficult situations. Our close cooperation is important not only for the people of both countries but also for global peace, stability and prosperity.

India praising Russia is not new, but this is a show of defiance against the GAE repeatedly warning India to stop doing business with Russia. More significantly, Xi, Modi and Putin held hands together in a show of unity, and Xi openly supported India in the tariff war with the US.

It appears that Putin has outdone Trump for sure on the world stage. It’s about time Trump got rid of all his warmongering neocon advisors and purged globohomo and war faction from his administration.

Even a single word of support from China for India is very rare given our history and this is most significant, signalling a big shift from the old days. China is slowly working to destroy GAE’s support base in the Asia.

Time will tell whether the RIC will endure, but seems Modi has got behind Putin firmly.

The Cominator says:

You’re a good poster but India not being our “friend” is good for Americans because Indians in America are an awful parasitic scammy minority with all the negatives of jews (but amplified one hundred fold) and none of their good qualities. If Indians were as great of an engineering and intellectual race as they like to represent they would not only have mastered indoor plumbing Indian cities would look like Japan… This is the overwhelming opinion of people who have dealt with them here. Its not that there aren’t occasional exceptions like Dr. Shiva but with Indians the exceptions are rarer than most groups which have overall bad characteristics. I’m willing to take whatever geopolitical negatives come from India regarding us an enemy country if it means we can get rid of the Indian diaspora here.

dharmicreality says:

Geopolitics is a different sphere from the topic of Indians living in the US under different visas/permits.

The huge influx of Indians in the US is a result of America’s own immigration policy and India’s decades-old socialist affirmative action against upper caste Hindus which led to their searching for better prospects elsewhere.

100% sure that Modi wants the smart Indians to work for India’s progress and development, not migrate overseas.

ISRO not NASA.

The Cominator says:

But once again to my knowledge diplomatic deals with India always include the Indian side pushing for countries to take in as many Indian immigrants as possible.

dharmicreality says:

diplomatic deals with India always include the Indian side pushing for countries to take in as many Indian immigrants as possible.

Would love the source of this info. I tried to verify this but normal web search doesn’t reveal much information.

The Cominator says:

The sources are sporadic and contradictory but here is what the AI says from crawling the web and forgive the wall of text

India’s trade strategy includes pushing for better mobility for its workers and professionals in agreements with countries like the UK, EU, and Australia. While this is a priority, India has recently become more flexible on immigration demands to secure deals, particularly with the UK.
Key examples of India’s approach
Trade deal with the UK
Mobility provisions: As part of the free trade agreement signed in July 2025, the UK and India included specific provisions to facilitate business mobility. These are not about unrestricted immigration but are designed to ease the movement of skilled professionals on a short-term basis.
Streamlined access: The deal makes it simpler for Indian professionals in sectors like IT, health, and cultural services to obtain visas. It also simplifies intercompany transfers for skilled staff.
Social security exemption: The agreement includes a reciprocal Double Contributions Convention, meaning Indian workers on short-term UK visas only pay social security in their home country. This benefits both Indian and British employers.
Visa demands: Historically, India had demanded more comprehensive visa concessions. However, reporting from April 2025 indicated that India “blinked on visas” to pave the way for the UK deal, suggesting a compromise on its initial immigration-related requests.
Migration agreements with Europe
Tactic for a trade deal: To secure more favorable migration terms with European countries and potentially advance trade talks with the EU, India has sweetened the deal by agreeing to repatriate its citizens who are residing in Europe without proper documentation.
Recent agreements: India has signed Migrant Mobility Agreements with countries including Germany, Italy, and France. These deals aim to create new opportunities for Indian students and professionals while ensuring that undocumented individuals are returned to India.
Trade talks with the US
Tariff conflict: Trade negotiations between India and the US were recently complicated by high US tariffs imposed under the Trump administration in August 2025.
Seeking market access: Before the tariffs were levied, India’s negotiating position focused on gaining better market access for its labor-intensive goods, such as textiles and jewelry. However, the push for skilled-worker mobility and immigration benefits has long been a feature of US-India relations.
Addressing illegal migration: To ease trade tensions with the US and signal cooperation, India has agreed to take back thousands of its citizens living in the US illegally. This move was a strategic play to appease the US amidst the tariff dispute.

Ie so basically yes the Indian government does try to push for countries to accept it exporting its population.

As for Indians not being a problem in Singapore
https://sudhirtv.com/2020/08/22/why-always-indians/
“In the workplace, there are numerous stories of India Indians giving preferential treatment to their buddies for recruitment. Which in turn leads to entire teams or departments or floors in corporate Singapore dominated by India Indians.”

Ie though Singapore doesn’t allow open discussion of whether certain immigrant groups should stay in or not… it sounds like you guys do the same shit in Singapore you do in the United States. This post is by some disingenous Indian shitlib in a lot of ways but even he admits it.

Dharmicreality says:

Point is nobody held a gun at America’s head forcing the GAE to import endless lines of brown/black hordes.

The other point is the issue of priestly subversion by alien imported races is unique to the anglosphere globohomo and nowhere else in the world is this as big a problem because other races than western democratic whites are naturally and instinctively suspicious of foreigners.

The Indian problem in the US seems unique because you imported the priestly class of our race and gave them opportunities in positions of power, both in corporate and politics.

yewotm8 says:

The Canadian government had a falling out with the Indian government over the Khalistani guy, then took in 5 million Indians in 3 years. Western governments do not need to be poked and prodded to drown out their White population.

Karl says:

So what? If US government made such a deal that makes it even clearer that the presence of Indians in the USA is the result of decisions of US governments. Stop blaming Indian government for things US governments have done.

Border control is a job no government can delegate to a foreign government.

Dharmicreality says:

Besides priestly Indians in politics and positions of power in large corporations is a peculiar and specific problem of the globohomo anglosphere. You don’t see any of this issue in Dubai or elsewhere in the Middle East, or even Singapore with a large Indian migrant workforce as well.

The Cominator says:

You’re accusing me of being a fan of open borders leftists in the US government… I’m the guy who strongly pushed the idea that no we can’t forgive and forget if we get into real power we have to sort the population and then hunt down and unalive every Biden and Kamala voter…

Dharmicreality says:

I don’t see any accusation from myself or Karl that you support open border leftists. But this was a discussion on the BRICS coming closer together because of Trump’s tariffs and GAE’s failed geopolitical strategies and not Indian immigration into the US.

Karl says:

Cominator, reread what I wrote. I’m not accusing you of being a fan of open borders. My point is simply that no Indian government is to blame for Indians inside the US. US governments and Indians inside the US can be blamed for the situation.

Any solution to the problem can only be achieved by doing something to persons inside the US or about to enter the US.

Anyting else cannot work. What did you have in mind? Sanctions to the Indian government for allowing citizens to leave India? Bombing airports in India to prevent Indians from leaving India?

Some Indians are in Germany. Do want to blame the German government for allowing them to leave Germany? Some might travel to the US.

Guards prevent entry, not exit – unless they are prison guards. No country should be a prison.

Mossadnik says:

Karl is right.

Similarly, I don’t support the importation of any browns and/or Mohammedans into the West (I endlessly warn against it, and urgently call for their expulsion from the West); and if the illegitimate European regimes opt to import Gazans or other Palestinians, the blame is 100% on those illegitimate European regimes, though you should expect the paid shills who are employed by those very regimes to misdirect the blame unto Israel. In fact, most Israelis don’t want Palestinians (or any Mohammedans) in the West; we want them in Arab and Muslim countries, and as far as I can gather, the Israeli government is working with Trump to relocate them to those countries (Indonesia, Somaliland, whatever). If they nevertheless end up in the West, then that’s entirely on those leftist European regimes that choose to invite them.

Mossadnik says:

In case people think this is not so, consider the following two news items:

BREAKING 🔴

The Trump administration has officially halted the issuance of visas for Palestinian passport holders, blocking entry even for medical treatment, studies, or family visits.

And then:

PM Netanyahu:

“On behalf of the state of Israel, I thank President Trump and Secretary Rubio for their moral clarity.

Denying visas to those who glorify terror is not punishment, it is justice.

There are no prizes for terror and no rewards for barbarism.”

Remember – the shills always invert reality.

Israel is not pushing for Western countries to take in Palestinians. Quite the opposite. Which means that if Palestinians show up in your Western country, you should blame that squarely on your treasonous government.

f6187 says:

Cominator writes:

Not sure we can say the solution is NEVER to breed/genetically engineer something out.

Ah, good, I amend my point to say that in a properly functioning society, fathers will cull the male suitors, and male suitors will cull the female targets. There’s your selective breeding, courtesy of the patriarchy. Even if none of this is remotely hereditary, it’s still a good idea.

The father himself will cull his daughter’s suitors, even administering his own shit-tests as he deems necessary. As others have indicated, the father should take into account his daughter’s flushed cheeks, sparkling eyes, and tone of voice as important cues, because only a hateful fool would ignore that.

The male suitors will cull the female targets by favoring the ones with the flushed cheeks, sparkling eyes, and beautiful voice tone and attitude.

Now you might say oh yeah that sounds nice in theory, but societal values are so messed up right now that we need a strong leader to administer this as a formal program of Lebensborn. Sorry, but that’s where I would have to exit this train at the next stop.

Granted, the scenario I describe is only possible if both fathers and male suitors are at least clear-pilled, and ideally Christ-pilled, on the Woman Question. Philosophy, the love of wisdom, is an essential prerequisite.

As for government, we just need them to stop warring against Christian marriage, including all its implications. First, they should formally legalize it. Second, that implies that they stop subsidizing, promoting, and mandating its opposite, e.g. the agendas of gay, abortion, tranny, divorce-rape, boy-shaming in school, denigration of masculinity in general, encouraging fertile young women to “labor” in cubicles under fluorescent lights, ostracizing young marriage, mandating shots that wreck ovarian and testicular function, running “schools” that hobble the mind and expunge morality, banning healthy food independently produced, and imposing economic policies that tax, regulate, and inflate to the point where forming a household or business becomes a pipe-dream, and all property belongs to Blackrock and the CCP. All that stuff really grinds my gears.

Jehu says:

I’m fond of the old school solution of the debutante ball. A pre-cleared dance card is presented to the daughter at the fancy event, which features other daughters doing the same thing. Every man on the dance card is considered an acceptable pro-social mate and potential son in law. The daughter dances with all the men on the dance card and provides her feedback. This gives her the illusion of full agency while bounding said choice to the acceptable region.

Anonymous Fake says:

[*deleted for not actually addressing the issue you discuss*]

Jim says:

It is a problem with feral women, not problem with colleges. Though barring women from college, which is to say barring women from the priesthood, would certainly improve things.

Clarkin says:

Hilarious that when Mossnik states [*deleted*] it gets posted.
When I state [*deleted*], it doesn’t.
[*deleted*]

Jim says:

There is a reason for that, which reason I state every day in comments dealing with shills. But you will not hear what I say, nor what Mossadnik says.

Mossadnik says:

Elon Musk is now stating the problem:

Low birth rate is the number one threat to the West, followed closely by migration.

There will be no West if this continues.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1962680097816879208

He will soon, in all likelihood, begin at least hinting at the solution.

If you want to take possession of the universe — rather than suffer a complete and permanent civilizational collapse on Earth, preventing any Kardashev scale advancement — you first need to take possession of women. It’s white people, particularly those originating within the Hajnal Line, who pioneer science and technology, and if these highly competent whites fail to reproduce, and are replaced by low-IQ turd worlders, then humanity will never colonize the stars, or fulfill any cosmic telos.

White Sharia, poofs off roofs.

Mossadnik says:

Also relevant (wiki):

By 2050, some project Protestantism to rise to slightly more than half of the world’s total Christian population.[45][d] According to Hans J. Hillerbrand, Protestant and Catholic share of the global Christian population will almost be the same by 2050, with Protestants exhibiting a significantly higher growth rate.[46]

According to Mark Juergensmeyer of the University of California, popular Protestantism[e] is the most dynamic religious movement in the contemporary world, alongside resurgent Islam.[47]

Protestant Christianity, which will be known as Jimian Christianity, is the religion under which the high races are to regenerate, if ever they are to regenerate.

(Only Protestantism follows 1 Timothy 3:2-5 and Titus 1:6. In the long-run, the prince-murdering Lavender heretics will be defeated.)

Mossadnik says:

I will add that the cognitive elite will only truly grasp the significance of the WQ when the AI bubble finally bursts and they realize that the modern Golden Calf, aka the AGI Demon, will not show up for at least several more millennia. They still hold out hope that conscious and superintelligent BEEP BOOP robots will show up soon and render biological humanity redundant. Once they realize how utterly retarded this idea is, and that they’ve been deceived by a cult of gay Jewish demon worshippers, they will rapidly turn to Jimian solutions.

Fidelis says:

He’s been saying this for years and years now, has yet to let out the slightest hint that he knows consciously what we say here. Set up a fake and gay NatalCon for fake and gay grifters to go and give talks about subsidizing random bullshit without ever mentioning the problem.

BAP is a facefag, a reformed or not reformed actual fag, and yet he still names the solution on occasion. So it’s not so far out of the overton window that it cannot be thought, because Bronze Age solutions are acceptable to think about for this crowd so long as you shake your head and tell everyone you disagree when you do so.

Musky is either too afraid to say the full truth, reasonably so considering the lack of arrests and helicoptering of prominent leftist priests, and the massive grifter engine on the center right eager for someone to step out of line and tell them their feral sluts are feral sluts and not angels after all, that will instantly team up with the tranny leftists to destroy his empire further, or he does not consciously recognize the full truth. He is by all appearances an exceptionally talented reddit nerd, he may have bought the narrative that the problem is cities and prosperity, and he publicly indicates that this is the narrative he has bought.

Mossadnik says:

Well yes, possibly he’s still just being his ol’ redditor self. But then again, the entire online Right has been lurking here in recent years (and the perpetual presence of cointelpro shills tells us that others have been watching as well), and I’m sure that something along the lines of “Psssst, maybe female sexual liberation has a few little downsides, such as mass sexlessness and collapsing fertility” must have been whispered around his ear by someone who knows someone who reads Jim. Whether or not he thought our ideas through and understands what needs to be done is another issue, of course.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

I think Fidelis is right: this isn’t really new or interesting, it’s just the same old same old. Which is not to say “nothing ever changes”, just that this particular thing doesn’t represent a substantive change.

Fertility may, emphasis may, have become a taboo subject in the wokest circles for a short period of time, but if so, then it’s not as if the overton window was busted wide open, it just shifted back to where it was during the decade before 2015, when it was perfectly normal to discuss fertility and birth rates.

What’s always been taboo is discussing the real reasons for low birth rates, i.e. female sexual choice. There are all sorts of limited-hangout issues like this: we can discuss aggregate crime rates, but not the perpetrators or their motives. We can discuss aggregate debt/deficit measures, but not where all that money is really going or how to cut it. We can discuss “election integrity”, but not the actual fraud that takes place nor the people committing it. And so on.

Classic Crimestop: we can identify the symptom as loudly and as often as we like, but when it comes to the disease, or the possible cure, we are required to retreat into a cloud of squid ink amounting to little more than “I don’t know, it just happened!” Elon is no different here.

When it comes to fertility, probably the favorite Conservative Inc. responsive is to mumble something about abortion, which of course has next to no impact at all on the fertility of white people in America. That’s as close as they’re willing to sidle up to the WQ.

Let’s see Elon come out and say that women shouldn’t vote. That’s barely the tip of the iceberg when it comes to actually solving the WQ, but in the context of modern politics, it is a bleeding-edge issue that has just barely drifted inside the overton window in recent years. Normies on social media can sort of get away with saying that women shouldn’t vote, that we should repeal the 19th, as long as it’s framed as a joke or troll and not a serious proposal. Can Elon go even that far? I doubt it.

(Also, don’t take this to mean I don’t like Elon; he’s a good guy, and through his actions it’s apparent that he understands at least something about women. But in terms of the memeplex, he’s basically still a ’90s democrat, the epitome of Thermidor.)

Mossadnik says:

Yeah, you’re probably right. There just isn’t enough clarity of thinking (and writing) about this issue, outside of DE-affiliated platforms like this one.

I like Captive Dreamer, but look for instance at this recent twit:

Early 20th century American progressives understood that migration would have a downward effect on native birth rates as they would be unwilling to compromise their standard of living in competition with what was essentially slave labor. They were right.

https://x.com/avaricum777/status/1963013839055946134

Fair enough, he’s probably correct, but I keep again and again bringing up East-Asia, which has not (yet) been flooded with significant numbers of brown migrants, to buttress the fact that the fertility problem is orthogonal to the migration problem – even without any brownoids around, even when society is entirely homogeneous, female liberation is itself sufficient to drop fertility below replacement level.

Solving the brownvasion problem by physically removing the brownvaders may (or may not) ease the fertility problem, but it’s certainly not itself the solution to the latter. Not saying that he’s arguing that, but mixing up those two different issues doesn’t really help to clarify things, and might suggest reluctance to publicly discuss, as you say, “the real reasons.”

The Overton Window needs to shift some more indeed.

Fidelis says:

I wonder how much it is necessary to shift the thoughtcrime window, as opposed to merely forcing the state to worry about things other than priesting.

Normies are pissing themselves in fear constantly. I can smell it walking around them. The visible and invisible eye warching their every move, recording their every statement, measuring it against the set of rules that grows more odious and incomprehensible by the day, it taxes all systems. Take away this boot, fathers might find themselves quietly nailing shut the window to their daughter’s room, choosing to not send them off to pre and post puberty whore school, and finding their wife mysteriously more pleasant, not even noticing the shit test they passed.

It’s not a full solution, but it would at least stabilize things, and all it requires is inaction on the part of the overbearing state.

Mossadnik says:

Well, that’s an interesting question: are people (fathers in this case) secretly redpilled but prevented by the state from acting like it, or are they by and large bluepilled and need the new priesthood to notify them that their innocent angelic princess likes to get spitroasted by Chad and Tyrone?

Actually, one would expect that exposure to endless pornography during a good ol’ goon-session would redpill at least some men as to female nature — just look at all those cunts and what abominable things they’re willing and eager to do on camera — but I suspect that most boomers and genXers are still relatively bluepilled and don’t quite realize how bad things have become.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

just look at all those cunts and what abominable things they’re willing and eager to do on camera

You know the demented blue-pill rationalizations better than anyone; they’re the wrong answers on your own multiple-choice shill test. “They’re only doing it because they were forced/sold into prostitution and porn by bad men and directed by evil Jew pornographers.” It’s not just shills, even normies are still conflicted at best over things like Epstein Island, and if the subject becomes too uncomfortable, they fall back to the thought-terminating cliche and chant the magic words, “sex trafficking”.

You’d think OnlyFans would be the final word, but crimestop-induced amnesia will take care of that. Either it doesn’t exist, or it’s not really porn, or it is porn but it’s actually empowering to women because they’re not beholden to pimps, etc.

Those who do not want to see, will not see, unless we force them to. And those who can already see, but are afraid to reveal what they see, are mostly already living 18th-century marriages on the sly. Making the red pill merely legal will help somewhat, as there are always some fence-sitters, but in the end it will have to be made mandatory, because society cannot cope indefinitely with the internal contradictions between women’s emancipation/suffrage and a “voluntary” patriarchy.

We don’t need laws that say a woman must be married by age 24, but we do need laws affirming the property rights of men over their women. Technically, men can enforce their own property rights without a legal framework, but it is terribly violent and uncivilized. Legally-recognized property rights help keep order and prevent violent escalations from spiraling out of control.

Mossadnik says:

Heck, it’s not just East-Asia; all over Europe there are relatively homogeneous countries that have not been flooded with scions of the Global South, and their birthrates are absolutely atrocious – they are gradually disappearing due to insufficient reproduction, they are growing older and older, and there simply aren’t enough (or any) native conservative elements in those societies to stave off the process. All of Europe is in steep demographic decline, whether or not there is a significant shitskin population in a given country. Of course, once they reach a certain threshold of demographic decline, they will be invaded by brown hordes; who will stop them?

It’s possible to blame factors besides the WP for declining reproduction; but intellectual integrity (and commitment to the cause of saving civilization) will eventually require breaking the taboo and addressing the very foundational WP, which the new intelligentsia is yet unwilling to do.

Alf says:

Yes that’s Elon. Not blue-pilled, not red-pilled. Pissing off the redditors while we deride him for his reddit cringe side.

The label ‘genius’ obscures some of what is going on. In terms of motivation, building companies and complicated tech stuff, Elon is a genius. But in terms of politics and women, he’s barely a step ahead of right wing normies.

Mossadnik says:

The next step in Elon’s reactionary journey will probably not be “Let’s bring back the patriarchy,” but more like a matter-of-fact acknowledgement that the 19th century abolition of young patriarchal marriage, the 60s Sexual Revolution, and finally 2012’s launch of Tinder, have resulted in what we are currently seeing. And then, once Elon and everyone else in the brainiac class recognize that such are the (inevitable) results of abolishing young patriarchal marriage as the social norm, the obvious solution — the Jimian one — will naturally suggest itself to everyone interested in the topic, which is anyone who cares about the survival of Western Civilization, anyone whose life has been nuked by nuclear shit tests, and anyone suffering lifelong blue balls. Which is still no guarantee that said solution will be acted upon in time to avert a Bronze Age collapse (it requires doing away with female liberation, sexual and otherwise, and a religious revival to facilitate the restoration of lost social technology; which given the prevalence of vagina-worship in modern society will necessitate a “vibe shift” slightly more dramatic than the current thing, to say the least), but at least there’s a chance.

Mossadnik says:

Currently the thinking among some within the brainiac class is “Progressives don’t breed, Conservatives do breed, therefore the problem is self-correcting, so let’s not do anything useful.” This is bullshit. When the vast majority of your ethnicity has been reproducing at sub-replacement levels for many decades, and your median age is already approaching 40 or has already passed that, and TFR is still trending downwards year after year, it means that you’re headed for erasure from history very soon, and the currently existing small minorities of highly fertile conservatives are unlikely to prevent that. A society-wide change is needed.

“Just let conservatives do the breeding” works when society is sufficiently young and conservatives are sufficiently numerous. Neither of these conditions applies in the Western World right now. They’ll have to figure out something else, and will likely at least consider the ideas discussed here. If not the time-tested Jimian solution, what other solutions are there?

Freddo Frog says:

Andrew Anglin (WorldWarWang) is still banned from Twitter.

Alf says:

Which serves as a wonderful reminder that being a deep state Nazi is A-OK, being an anti-deep state Nazi: not so much.

Monthab says:

I really do think this blog is an echo chamber… [*deleted for not conforming to the moderation policy*]

Jim says:

> an echo chamber

If you have something to say, fine. But first before you can say it on this blog you have to show yourself capable of criticising those echoes and explaining why they are wrong and wicked in a way that admits what it is that you are criticising as wrong and wicked, responding to those views in a way that acknowledges that they exist, that some people are thinking and saying the things you cannot refute or debate, but want to instead drown out with meaningless distracting irrelevant noise.

Anonymous Fake says:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Man's_Burden

I’ve been wondering if the powers that be knew that quinine’s mass production in the mid 19th century was resulting in an inevitable savage population boom, and by the late 19th century they knew the countermeasure to this was “health care and education” (contraception and worthless schooling for women). Population control, not real charity, which is almost exclusively a job for zealous missionaries. Mere war was, and still is, just a racket. Nazis tried to take it further and they were obliterated for it, ironically.

But I can’t think of any hint of anti-education sentiment in the West in that time, like they knew that it was futility to roll it back, and the ideal strategy was instead to spread it to the colonies/third world/developing world. Pulling them down, rather than pulling the West up, was the path of least resistance.

Maybe they did try “anti-schooling” and it failed so catastrophically they were embarrassed and left no record of the attempt. Probably because they tried it with American Indians on some obscure reservation, the easiest human guinea pig population but they have lots of baggage. Ivan Illich was 1970’s, well into the Cathedral era, deep underwater…

Calhoun’s rats were 1950’s I guess. They were a hint.

Jim says:

> But I can’t think of any hint of anti-education sentiment in the West in that time,

In living memory, in my memory, women going to college was controversial, all the way into 1980s. Colleges bent over backwards to prevent girls from getting loose, There was a whole lot of concern that college would become whore school. Coeducation, girls intermingled with boys, happened late seventies to late eighties.

Despite colleges implementing tight controls on female movement all the way to the seventies and eighties, parents were reluctant to send girls to college, because they smelled a rat. There was a whole lot of resistance, and a non stop noisy high pressure campaign to overcome that resistance. It was like the transing and covid campaigns. Once that campaign had substantially succeeded, then co-education.

Ruggles says:

Whore school led to lots of free sloots for me to fuck, this was great, much win.
Whore school led to lots of young women refusing to settle down, this was bad, much loss.
In hindsight, I should have impregnated at least one, if not all of them, but I was too poor to afford an oldschool mormon-type harem or house.
Now I’m actually considering using one of the old ways… outright buying a younger fertile wifey.
Lawyer says yeah, just put my money in a trust and slap a child contract and partner/prenup on her before getting raw and cohabitating.
Recent exploratory shopping trip to the local whore school produced interesting candidate convos.

Cloudswrest says:

In the early 80s, I rented a house with some graduate student roommates who had been undergraduates at Harvard. They referred to the morning run of the bus that goes between Harvard, MIT and Wellesley as “The Fuck Buss”.

A2 says:

Expanding one’s set of idioms:
1. Point to a deer and call it a horse. (zhǐ lù wéi mǎ) <– we are here
2. Point to a dog and call it a person. (zhǐ quǎn wéi rén)
3. A dog wearing a Confucian scholar’s hat. (gǒu dài rú guān)

https://xcancel.com/hsu_steve/status/1962504789989736730#m

Jim says:

As one of the comments complains, if you can force people to accept what they know to be a lie, you have them by the balls.

And the summary misses that point. Point Deer Make Horse is about why power imposes lies. Not merely that power is apt to impose lies.

Though 狗戴儒冠, a dog wearing a scholars hat, is a wonderfully apt description of peer review, “the science”, and “the scientific consensus”

Right now, a ding dong fight is being fought thanks to RFK Jr, between “The science” and actual science. We shall see who wins.

Right now “The Science” is totally certain that the mysterious outbreak of sudden adult death syndrome is not happening, and if it is happening, it is an attack on the scientific consensus and the science to try to examine cases of sudden adult death and ask what they died of.

Pax Imperialis says:

Trump admin is currently boasting about military strike on a cartel boat with more to come. Trump has been holding hands with his warmongering neocon supporters to keep Thermidor on board while he slowly purges them. They remain a large faction but not forever. War efforts on Russia and China have largely dried up materially although Trump admin has maintained a rhetorical facade. Strikes on cartels serve a duel purpose of placating the war faction while enacting an actual MAGA domestic agenda. Things are looking good.

Pax Imperialis says:

Can you feel the culture shift?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYQiGBupM8I

Lol, pitiful number of views. 75% dislike rate. Comment section hilariously mocking.

Mossadnik says:

Things are looking good.

Things are looking good. (If the pink-haired mammoth in the room — reproductive collapse among the high races — is to be ignored for a short moment.)

The main danger to the future of civilization right now is not going far enough – having limited ambitions and not accelerating as much as possible to thoroughly, permanently crush the Left.

Progressives must not return to power. Ever. The Democrats should literally disappear. If you don’t achieve it by way of regular civil war, then achieve it “legally.” But it needs to be achieved.

Jim says:

General Milley wrote a book saying “I am a traitor, hah ha, and I can tell you all about it because Trump is never going to come back to power”

The people who created Covid and the Covid Jab murdered millions, intended to murder billions, and are still killing people right now.

If the left can commit crimes, and the right cannot enforce justice, left wins.

If General Milley does not face the firing squad, shortly followed by most of the Deep State, we are going to lose.

Pax Imperialis says:

This deserves a long response post for why I’m optimistic, but right now I don’t have the time.

To be brief, it’s clear RFK jr has been purging HHS where it hurts the “science” the most, Hegseth has gained control of DOD, the President has gained control of the National Guard, military deployments in country are being normalized without pushback, ICE gets to be ICE, the supreme court is increasingly irrelevent as they don’t want constitutioal crisis.

Just as all those actions have logical conclusions that don’t end with the current actions, firing the deepstate (Milly and company) while revoking clearances and security details doesn’t end there.

Jim says:

Their capability to enforce “the science” has rapidly diminished, but they still have peer review, and some local state institutions are still enforcing the jab.

They are still giving the jab to children in the face of overwhelming evidence of no benefit and a substantial risk of disability or death.

Yes, obviously that “The Science”, and “The Scientific Consensus” is rapidly losing power, but its still clinging on tenaciously. It was always murderous, and has used its power to hurt, harm, and kill through every avenue of power that could be turned that purpose.

But there is a problem. If one can force people to agree with a blatant lie, one has them by the balls, because though one has humiliated and defeated them, nonetheless if they abandon the lie and abandon their participation in evil, they admit to being cowards, liars, and to participating in evil. And “the science” has a huge number of people by the balls. They forced a huge number of people to collaborate in their Covid murders, and all those reluctant murderers are now staunch Covidians who are terrified by the prospect that “the consensus of the scientific community” might lose power and leave their sins naked.

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