for family, for freedom, for country, and for God

Trump’s speech contains some alt right memes, but its approach is not a frontal attack on the enlightenment and enlightenment values, but rather to praise and endorse those values in ways that re-interpret them as anti enlightenment values. It is a dog whistle rather than a shout out, but it is a dog whistle not only to the alt right, but to that part of the alt right that does not want to merely roll things back to nineteen sixty (men’s rights movement) nor to nineteen thirty (ironic and unironic nazis) but back all the way to undoing the enlightenment.

Much as Pope Francis piously reinterprets Christianity as celebrating sodomy, abortion, divorce, single motherhood, transvestism, and the destruction of marriage, Trump piously reinterprets progressivism as the victory of distinctively white civilization

At 29:00 in the speech:

Our adversaries, however, are doomed because we will never forget who we are. And if we don’t forget who are, we just can’t be beaten. Americans will never forget. The nations of Europe will never forget. We are the fastest and the greatest community. There is nothing like our community of nations. The world has never known anything like our community of nations.
We write symphonies. We pursue innovation. We celebrate our ancient heroes, embrace our timeless traditions and customs, and always seek to explore and discover brand-new frontiers.
We reward brilliance. We strive for excellence, and cherish inspiring works of art that honor God. We treasure the rule of law and protect the right to free speech and free expression.
We empower women as pillars of our society and of our success. We put faith and family, not government and bureaucracy, at the center of our lives. And we debate everything. We challenge everything. We seek to know everything so that we can better know ourselves.
And above all, we value the dignity of every human life, protect the rights of every person, and share the hope of every soul to live in freedom. That is who we are. Those are the priceless ties that bind us together as nations, as allies, and as a civilization.

Much of it sounds like boilerplate progressivism, except that he naughtily included the distinctively white art form of symphonies, the distinctively white activity of innovation and exploration, and naughtily left out that all men are created equal, and that women are equal to me.

When Trump is attacking radical Islam and somehow leaves out explicitly mentioning female equality, not an accident, but rather a significant step towards rolling back several centuries of the “moral arc of history bending towards justice”. Perhaps in the end the progressive steamroller will roll over him as it rolled over Reagan, but he is having a go.

He also said we debate everything, which was a progressive value before they were in power, but swiftly ceased to be a progressive value once they were in power. Free debate is always what the out of power belief system wants, since the out of power belief system is always forbidden from doubting, let alone contradicting, the official belief system. Everyone always wants freedom of speech, freedom of association, and the right to peaceably assemble for themselves, not for their enemies, and it is always the out of power belief system that is denied these things. In practice, you are not only forbidden from doubting that women are equal to men, you are even forbidden from doubting that saturated fats are bad for you, in that researchers who inquire into this topic lose their jobs.   Freedom of speech, freedom of association, and freedom of assembly is always the call of the out of power faction.

When those who theoretically believe in equality will not go into a black majority area, nor accept that when when women, like children, make bad choices those who make the choices should face the costs of those choices, we see the actual truth about equality.

At 11:00 into the speech:

For two centuries, Poland suffered constant and brutal attacks. But while Poland could be invaded and occupied, and its borders even erased from the map, it could never be erased from history or from your hearts. In those dark days, you have lost your land but you never lost your pride. (Applause.)
So it is with true admiration that I can say today, that from the farms and villages of your countryside to the cathedrals and squares of your great cities, Poland lives, Poland prospers, and Poland prevails. (Applause.)
Despite every effort to transform you, oppress you, or destroy you, you endured and overcame.


The story of Poland is the story of a people who have never lost hope, who have never been broken, and who have never, ever forgotten who they are. (Applause)
AUDIENCE: Donald Trump! Donald Trump! Donald Trump!

15:50  precisely equal billing for commies and nazis.

In 1920, in the Miracle of Vistula, Poland stopped the Soviet army bent on European conquest. (Applause.) Then, 19 years later in 1939, you were invaded yet again, this time by Nazi Germany from the west and the Soviet Union from the east. That’s trouble. That’s tough.
Under a double occupation the Polish people endured evils beyond description: the Katyn forest massacre,

In the summer of 1944, the Nazi and Soviet armies were preparing for a terrible and bloody battle right here in Warsaw. Amid that hell on earth, the citizens of Poland rose up to defend their homeland. I am deeply honored to be joined on stage today by veterans and heroes of the Warsaw Uprising. (Applause.)
AUDIENCE: (Chanting.)

Notice the conspicuous lack of extra billing and extra star treatment for the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, and that Trump accurately depicts the Warsaw uprising as directed as much to prevent Soviet occupation as to defeat German occupation, billing the Soviets as occupiers, not liberators.

The priesthood of the religion of Holocaustism were mightily pissed that he attended the Warsaw Uprising Memorial, but not the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising Memorial.  That Trump is obviously philosemitic makes it possible for him to regularly and routinely piss on Holocaustianity.

Then he links the globohomo project to abolish nations, masculinity, and Christianity to defeated communism and the future defeat of Islam:


Finally, on both sides of the Atlantic, our citizens are confronted by yet another danger — one firmly within our control. This danger is invisible to some but familiar to the Poles: the steady creep of government bureaucracy that drains the vitality and wealth of the people. The West became great not because of paperwork and regulations but because people were allowed to chase their dreams and pursue their destinies.
Americans, Poles, and the nations of Europe value individual freedom and sovereignty. We must work together to confront forces, whether they come from inside or out, from the South or the East, that threaten over time to undermine these values and to erase the bonds of culture, faith and tradition that make us who we are. (Applause.) If left unchecked, these forces will undermine our courage, sap our spirit, and weaken our will to defend ourselves and our societies.


I declare today for the world to hear that the West will never, ever be broken. Our values will prevail. Our people will thrive. And our civilization will triumph. (Applause.)
AUDIENCE: Donald Trump! Donald Trump! Donald Trump!
PRESIDENT TRUMP: Thank you. So, together, let us all fight like the Poles — for family, for freedom, for country, and for God.
Thank you. God Bless You. God bless the Polish people. God bless our allies. And God bless the United States of America.
Thank you. God bless you. Thank you very much. (Applause.)

50 Responses to “for family, for freedom, for country, and for God”

  1. Turtle says:

    I’m realizing this is how readers interpret some of my comments:

    If that’s the case, please excuse my being confused with a cuck.

    It’s great lulz to read his exhortations, but he’s a “thought-leader” kind of preacher, so people listen to him. That’s either even more hilarious, or sad. I wish he had, you know, cited anything in the Bible, or referred to the marriage sacrament itself… but no, he’s ad libing his opinion. That’s the problem- how he wrote the post, not his cuckedness per se. I mean, that’s a separate issue, which is more personal, involving his family, not his readership. For us readers, he’s a bad writer, because he’s arrogant.

    I am tempted to vainly claim I’m not a cuck, but I can’t prove that, especially given that I’m single, always so far. At least I don’t give men hysterical Reasons To Not Sin. And for clarification, the problem in Piper’s hypothetical scenario is the young man having a “girlfriend” in the first place. An indecent, unpatriarchal relationship is inherently unchaste, regardless of fornication. I do agree that marriage is good, but Piper is better at personal theology than guiding chastity. I liked his “Desiring God” book, to some extent. I didn’t finish it, but it’s unusual for me to read any non-Orthodox books from other Christian denominations.

    Good night.

  2. Alrenous says:

    “Empower women”
    -could be read as, ‘they don’t naturally have any power.’
    “as pillars of our success”
    -i.e, as support crew. Possibly.

  3. TheKaiser says:

    I really hope that all this is more than just trying to get good response from polish people. As Poland turns away from EU she will need help from USA and Trump knows that. While he talked a lot he didn’t give any strong declarations during his visit.

    • jim says:

      Not really listening to what he said to poles. More interesting to me is what he dog whistled to the alt-right.

      • pdimov says:

        Even more interesting is who is capable of writing this speech of his. Obviously Bannon/Miller have not lost their clout as we feared they would.

        • Turtle says:

          In my opinion, mostly Miller and other young men. He’s great at word choice, and poetic phrasing. As a Californian, “Steeeve” knows the West as a golden place, not dreary or barren, and Poland too has golden fields (geography is important in poetry). California is fertile, aside from draughts, and he even reformed his unpatriotic husk of a high school, in Santa Monica, to recite the flowing Pledge of Allegiance every week.

          He could be the next president, too, or at least continue advancing towards that. I hope he remember to serve the rest of the Trump family, too. Melania needs to grow into her role, I believe, to win over some feminists. When, hopefully speaking, she succeeds in defeating cruel bullying (not fair criticism, I mean unhelpful malice), which is her personal campaign as First Lady, she will be a hero.

  4. John Morris says:

    Guess everybody sees something different is a speech like this. I was most impressed by his willingness to directly confront THE central question facing us. No pussyfooting around it, no hinting, just threw it down on the table and opened the question for discussion.

    Do we have the will to survive?

    To admit that is even a question first requires discussing why we might not still have the will to survive, how that sad situation could have come about, etc.

    • Jack Highlands says:

      Exactly: the elephant in the kitchen. I’ve long said that the most essential step for normies to get is just that something’s very wrong. Then it can be made clear that wrong was built in to Prog.

      Note the tie to MAGA, with its implication that Prog has rendered America no longer great.

      MOWGA: Make Our West Great Again

      • Mister Grumpus says:

        > the most essential step for normies to get is just that something’s very wrong.

        Well put. No problem yet = no problem solving yet.

  5. peppermint says:

    When Menachem Moldberg wrote, he was well to the right of most tech people. Today,

    • Cavalier says:

      Top fucking kek.

      P.S. I can’t help but notice how completely her vocal pitch changed after he named her.

      Leave no job unfinished.

    • viking says:

      thats a funny video and a rare example of a jew defending his whiteness in the most radical way possible very woke jew.

    • Turtle says:

      That man looks really Jewish, and is almost definitely more Jewish than Moldbug. LOL- the Jews have swung right, and you think it’s “tech people.” Also, I wonder if this guy was just wearing pink because it’s a nice color, or is gay.

      Anyway, he was having fun, while the mom wrongly embarrassed her daughter. I wonder how this little girl will grow up, and if she has a dad. She looked really upset.

  6. Turtle says:

    > > Then he links the globohomo project to abolish nations, masculinity, and Christianity to defeated communism and the future defeat of Islam:

    Like I say, globohomo is the twin of Islam (and Buddhism, Shinto, etc.). Worldly religions are all fun and games, with no grace or sanctity. I’m now saddened by paganism, grieving as this Taiwanese lady does:

    > >God bless the Polish people

    He should have said this *in Polish*. It’s a fun language, at least for Slavic-speakers like me, and they are somewhat concerned, I suppose, that he is half-German (Drumpf), even though he comes from a part of Germany far from Poland, and his ancestors left Europe long before the world wars. It’s impressive that all those Poles understood his English speech. Now I’m eager to learn about Polish saints, and the Uniates’ history (“Greek Catholics” who were forced under Austro-Hungary to submit to the Pope, having been Orthodox). But the main priority is to help the Poles make peace; they’ve been neglected by everyone except sex tourists and Ashkenazis who obsess over their ancestral neighbors’ lands. I’m more concerned by the sex tourism, and struggle to move on from the 20th century.

    At least they enjoyed the reign of a well-loved Polish Pope, who may be canonized later. I visited a Catholic church after my recent mosque visit, and enjoyed a kind of ecclesial dignity I find missing in my home parish. The Catholics have a broader sense of gratitude. They see miracles in all good things, not just What Famous Saints Did. Also, they are more confident in their right to a place in society and the world. Their churches are far more numerous, and they have their own youth sports leagues, but that’s not the point. It’s that they believe God justifies them, rather than complaining that “we’re political losers, where’s our caesaropapist restoration, etc.” Having a Vatican helps, though they obsess over it. I don’t plan on visiting the Vatican, but it does some work, like systematic refutation of heresies. They have a talent for authority, is what I mean. And the Poles recognise this same might in our President.

    I’m getting some new icons (Christian holy paintings) soon, and would like some input on which to prioritize- Saint Melania (a wonderful lady!), or Scottish saints (Trump’s mother was Scottish)? I haven’t found many German saints yet either. And I can’t count post-schism Roman saints, unfortunately, only Orthodox ones, pre-1054 A.D. I hope to gradually develop a section of my icon corner and prayer activity for political spirituality, to be a good citizen. Any suggestions?

    Old news:

    I expect Trump and Putin, with our help, to turn the evil energy of scapegoating Russia for our partisan fighting into inter-national fraternity. This especially involves Alaska and Arctic fossil fuel development, besides how close Russia’s Far East is to North Korea. A mutually owned and operated oil platform or something up there would be great, just like Russia’s diplomatic support in Korea. But for now, the hot-spot is Syria. At least we have new peace treaties in progress (hopefully good ones).

    I am disappointed by the Antiochian (Syrian, basically) Orthodox Church’s cucking out on this war, publicly only doing relief/ charity work, not praying to warrior saints, but I know what it’s like to be afraid of military conflict.
    I had hoped the war would bring attention to Orthodoxy, but instead, losers envy ISIS, as if pussy, drugs, money, etc. taken from the devil are better than God’s own blessings. I am finding there are many more Syrian saints than my church celebrates, because we prefer “our” American saints. It’s unreasonably self-centered to discriminate this way. Anyway, I suspect Syria’s war will be 80% over by this Christmas.

    • peppermint says:

      Why would Trump speak Polish? He’s the American president and speaks American. His wife can speak Russian or whatever with Putin.

      Remember the time Hillary tried to read a book in nigger and the ((media)) was trying to explain why that’s progressive for her but if anyone else does it they’ll get nailed to a cross?

      • Turtle says:

        His wife should speak to Putin’s wife, but alas, Mrs. Putin divorced him. It’s a tragedy in Russia that Putin is a pseudo-widower, with only two daughters, but no crown prince. It’s not clear who will succeed the Prime Minister!

        Speaking Polish would do much to calm down the “Trump drinks Russian whores’ piss” memes. It’s a way to express Solidarity, a Polish value, if you know what I mean (the famous worker’s party).

        Trump can speak Polish in a few key phrases, not for the whole speech. I meant a moderate gesture, as in Dmitri Royster translating and mediating between Japan and America after WWII, not pandering, as in Jeb Bush speaking Spanish.

        The story about Hill-dawg sounds hilarious, but I don’t remember it. Could she just be like Betty Ford, glamorizing recovery from alcoholism? That would be cute.

        Hillary was raised by two parents who both ran away from their homes during the Great Depression, and in some intuitive way, nobody wants to be stern with her, because she’s a pseudo-orphan. Hillary’s supporters see her as an Orphan Annie matriarch. Really, they consider her cute and dignified, but so was the intended appeal of Bush reading to children on 9/11. They’re unpleasant people because of their deep sin- Hillary is in an ‘elite’ cult actually, where they believe God anointed them to rule over everyone else (while actual Christians are obedient, like sheep). Mother Jones magazine had an article about this.

    • Cavalier says:

      >at least for Slavic-speakers like me

      That explains a lot.

      >It’s impressive that all those Poles understood his English speech.

      Is it? Consider the implication.

      • jim says:

        The implication is that the audience was stacked with high IQ multilingual right wingers.

        Which implies an adequate supply of high IQ multilingual right wingers.

        • Cavalier says:

          From a Polish perspective, especially a nativist perspective, speaking your occupier’s tongue: not so impressive.

          • Turtle says:

            Occupying Poland, something many countries have done- not impressive.
            Your occupier being taken over by a benevolent President and Euro-phillic movement- blessed.
            Speaking English in Poland- still controversial, but not nearly as much as German or Russian. I wonder what Church Latin is like there, among traditional Catholics.

            Calling Americans and Britons, and NATO in general, who were Poland’s Allies during WWII, occupiers- ungrateful.
            Not knowing modern Polish history, where they feel almost as genocided by the aggressors of WWII as the Jews and Chinese do, but without any recognition- ignorant.

            Finally, speaking for Poles- are you a Polack?

            In Thailand, many of those in the tourism industry learned Russian, because Russians collectively fell in love with Thailand, composing perhaps 15% of visitors. Is that accommodation cucked, or good business?

            • Steve Johnson says:

              “Calling Americans and Britons, and NATO in general, who were Poland’s Allies during WWII, occupiers- ungrateful.”

              Lol. That’s got to be a joke right? If it’s not I’d rather have Americans and Britons as enemies if that’s what they do to allies.

              • Turtle says:

                An occupation after saving a nation from enslavement is a reduction in harm, thus kind. It would be nice if Poland could support herself in every way, but really, we’re interdependent, to use the Mormon term, and need Poland as they need us. Maybe they need us more, but the U.S. gets to be in charge because they did more to win the war, and are the senior partner in NATO.

                How can a small country be free on its own? Or should everyone respect the boundaries of inferior allies? I do think we’d be better off minding our own business, but Poland needs some guidance. The Vatican should do more for Catholic countries, too.

                I remember that sometimes, Catholic Poles have raided Orthodox monasteries, and there’s a kind of competitive fighting between the churches. The Poles’ main problem is that Russia is right next door, but they prefer a patron far away.

                I suppose they also need to stop the European sex tourism problem (ruining their young women with worthless fornication). Americans don’t do that to them, but we could protect the by being chaste ourselves. I guess I’ll focus on that.

                • viking says:

                  larger countries respect the boundaries of smaller one for the same reasons larger men do, its in their longer term interest to do so.Sometimes this ceases to be soo and they no longer do so.The USA thinks it neednt respect anything anymore

            • Cavalier says:

              >Finally, speaking for Poles- are you a Polack?

              I am 100% Blue Bananan.

        • Mister Grumpus says:

          Dang I thought I saw a big TV there with Polish sub-titles across the bottom.


          …or I can’t find it because I’m trippin’ again.

        • Turtle says:

          I expect a new, business-oriented version of the Peace Corps, not neccessarily starting with Trump, but along the lines of his leadership. Trump, with the space program reboot, is doing 60’s nostalgia, perhaps intentionally. That’s when the Peace Corps started, so why not start the… Cadets of Capital? (Something less corny though.)

      • Turtle says:

        I don’t understand spoken Polish itself, it’s like Ukrainian, legible in writing only. They’re more Latinate too, which is cool, but different. The impressive thing is that the crowd looked middle-aged, so they learned English as adults, not as children. That’s much more difficult, and indicates the kind of commitment to the American-led West which ex-communist immigrants to America have.

        We’re more aware of how things can go wrong in “modern democracies,” and we are often condescending to the native (white) Americans (as if you’re boorish brutes with lame foods and culture), but at least we know what you need (marriage not abortion, Church not tv, beauty not status, kings not bureaucrats). Poles are doing a good job working in Iceland, and get along with the natives there better than in Britain. It’s cool that guest-workers can be good residents.

  7. KingOfChu says:

    “rather to praise and endorse those values in ways that re-interpret them as anti enlightenment values”

    Which leads to the question: could Trump really hijack the Cathedral the same way that Deng Xiaoping hijacked Maoist communism?

    • peppermint says:

      they will beg to be hijacked instead of executed

      • jim says:

        > > could Trump really hijack the Cathedral the same way that Deng Xiaoping hijacked Maoist communism?

        > they will beg to be hijacked instead of executed

        Which is pretty much how Deng did it.

        • Mister Grumpus says:

          That switch from Mao to Deng: I’d love to better understand just what the hell it was that really happened there.

          Can you suggest a book or two? Some good place to start? Cathedral-Frei Modern Chinese History for Retards?

    • peppermint says:

      Calling the War between the States the Civil War has created a dangerous delusion about what a civil war actually is. In a civil war the muds will be driven out but it will be a war of extermination against cucks because cucks are universally hated, by themselves, by the muds they sometimes claim to like, and of course by us.

      A pinochet-style coup would require only the deaths of the top thousand or top few thousand leaders of the journalist and educator world system.

      I think the death squads will never go beyond being a threat, because these people will get demoralized enough to quietly betray each other and discover that they have always been alt-right.

      • Turtle says:

        No deaths are needed to atone or cleanse the world; human sacrifice is cruel and unusual, to speak constitutionally. I’d (nominally, at least) rather die in the place of your enemies than let you kill them just because they hurt and angered you; I’ve sinned more than anyone else, at least in terms of what I confess, and so I deserve life the least.

        You don’t like merciful sacrifice, only robbery of life God created in combat, but God doesn’t accept traditional sacrifices now. In a Psalm, #51 I think, it is specified that only once we repent will we again sacrifice bulls to God. And even then, only bulls, not men.

        • Issac says:

          Who let the boomerposting christcuck pacifist in here?

          • Turtle says:

            How am I a pacifist? I believe it’s ok to kill in just war, not nazicuck war.

            If I were a pacifist, I would get others to fight for me, because pacifist are really just cowards. But I do serve God as a soldier of virtue, and that’s better than false peace. I actually like military history, technology, etc.

            After considering joining the armed forces, I didn’t enlist because the military has lesbians, gays, rape, bureaucracy, etc. I’m sure I would like it, but I can’t rightly serve with dangerous freaks. I’d probably join the Air Force if I had to choose, like my grandfather, but actually, I could join in Russia after living there for a few years. I still might, but I’m getting too old. Anyway, I’m not a Boomer; Boomers, defined badly, like war for fun and to express their petulant anger, not to honor God and defeat sin.

            • peppermint says:

              a lot of beobl don’t want to bick zides in the nazi-guck war, it is in their interest do get the gucks to gapidulate as guigly as bosabl XDDDDDD

              • Issac says:

                brize of freedom :DDDDDDD

              • Turtle says:

                To me, the Nazi-cuck war is between two sides of the same coin. They’re both trading their life choices/ free will for ‘values,’ such as doing hard drugs but not smoking cigarettes, as in Nazidom, or marrying a harlot “because she’s experienced in relationships,” not sacrificing themselves to God. I’m sure plenty of Nazis were literal cucks, and so, some cucks were Nazis. How would Nazism protect men from cuckodlry? How does cuckoldry prevent a man from espousing Nazism? Don’t these labels overlap as categories?

                • Turtle says:

                  My examples seem to have revealed something to me- the Nazis are openly Puritanical, blaming da jooz for humanity’s drug problems, but then doing drugs themselves, perhaps to prove that actually, we’re all jooz, or maybe that the jooz cannot be defeated, because evil is stronger. It’s foolish behavior, and clearly hypocritical.

                  Meanwhile, cucks will oppose Puritanism in name, by saying “porn is fun for me, porn makes me happy so it is a human right,” but then, won’t make porn real by actually having sex. Cucks only pretend to enjoy life, just as Puritans only pretend to sacrifice fleeting pleasure for greater joy.

                  Both lie, but in nominally different ways. And again, the categories overlap. Cucks focus on hedonism, Nazis on stoicism. Cucks are childish (immature), Nazis are crone/geezer-like (too old). And these polar attributes are like flip sides, because of how human nature can split into pieces.

                • Issac says:

                  Nagziis are gucks and berry harlotz :DDDDDD

                  At last, I truly see. Thank you Greatest Ally.

        • Garr says:

          What if Peppermint’s Enemy, who has gray leathery skin, glowing red eyes, and yellow fangs, and stinks like a rotting rat-corpse, is shoving him toward a pit full of snakes and giant cockroaches; two more pushes and Peppermint’s in the pit. Peppermint says to Enemy, “Push me once more and I’ll stab you to death with my rapier.” Enemy says, “I’m definitely going to push you again in a second unless Turtle jumps into the pit.” There you are, Turtle — are you going to jump into the pit full of snakes and giant cockroaches or are you going to let Peppermint stab Enemy to death with his rapier?

          • Garr says:

            Oh, sorry, Turtle; after reading your post below, in which you regret the absence of warrior-spirit among the Antiochan Christians, I realize that your “just because they hurt and angered you” is essential to your message to Peppermint, above. Obviously, getting pushed into a pit full of snakes and giant cockroaches goes beyond being (emotionally) injured and angered.
            A Friendly Super-AI (Friendliness due to Christian programming) might sound like you — the icons that you mention below would be posted in a virtual room, kind of like a room in a Minecraft house. What if you’re a Friendly AI whose primary avatar lives in a Minecraft house! (This is not at all intended in any sort of scornful way. I’d love to be friends with a Christian Super-AI.)

          • Turtle says:

            I’m not a pacifist, so I’ll fight the enemy myself, or ask God’s angels to do it, knowing that they are stronger than we mortals are. Also, when saints are placed into, say, a Lion’s Den, like the Prophet Daniel was, they usually hang out with their fellow creatures, rather than being eaten.

            Sometimes beasts martyr saints, but that’s also up to God. Free will partly includes animals, but they have only souls, not spirits. I wouldn’t assume the snakes and cockroaches are nasty. Maybe the snakes will eat the bugs, anyway. And why would they want to hurt Peppermint? Mint is a tasty, fresh herb! /jk

            • viking says:

              youre an irational fool that believes in the death cuck cult christ, you are the enemy you are the type that defended the niggers and jews, you are the type that turned plundering into missionarism and faggotry, you must die with the muds end of story be gone

              • Garr says:

                He’s a young guy, Viking. In ten years he might write a beautiful book that you mostly agree with. You’re the warlord — provide avuncular guidance with a half-smile of mingled affection and contempt, with one hand resting on the haft of your battleaxe, the other cradling your horn of mead. Send him out into the storm bearing the news that must get through.

              • Turtle says:

                St. Moses the Black is the only black saint I know, and there are very few canonized Jews in Orthodoxy past New Testament times. Almost everyone rewrites the saints’ ethnicities to be their own, like calling Jesus Native American. it’s ridiculous, but everyone does it, with few exceptions. Ethnic honesty is like being honest about one’s faults. I believe all ethnicities have their own inherited strengths and weaknesses, and in total, some are godlier than others. Maybe my rhetoric exaggerates how much we disagree.

                Missions has been turned into plundering, by the devil, and even the CIA is involved in approving who gets to go on mission (e.g. “Saddleback Church,” with a name of ‘intimate cowboys,’ a la Brokeback Mountain), while faggotry is generally caused by poor parenting (not modeling how to be a healthy married couple) and older perverts teaching it. I am getting one “gay” man to admit he’s mostly straight, and it’s rewarding work. I don’t think homosexuality is real, similarly to how plundered goods cannot be enjoyed. =

                God ‘arranges’ everything in every life.

                I don’t know why I take your criticism so seriously, because you don’t understand what I say, but I’ll keep responding, so far.

                The Cross gives Life (restoring Adam and Eve’s descendants to their former grace, and even better), and Christ tramples down “death by death,” so I’m not worried about mortality. Souls are eternal, and God can send me wherever he wants, from Sheoul (purgatory, a place of rest) to His Kingdom to hell. Wherever I go, God remains perfect, so it’s all good, The goal is to worship God, not worry about my experience, moral status, etc.

                The main reason you consider Christians cucks is that you have not encountered their courage in defeating demons, winning wars, forgiving tormentors, asking God for help, trusting a God Who could punish us, etc. You don’t get to witness our strength because you aren’t one of us- it’s your choice to see us at our worst, if you see us at all. Also, you only see us through the veils of illusion surrounding you. You created them, with demonic energy, so don’t complain that you are deceived. If you want suitable examples of Christian courage, look at the biography of any canonized soldier.

                All bishops carry and wield staffs, as armed princes of the Church. And they use them mightily, by God’s grace.

                You shallowly want Christianity to be a fraud, to prevent the possibility of you having failed at it, or having done a flawed version of it. But, you could just try again, and succeed. I hope you realize that there are Viking saints, too, especially St. Vladimir the Great Prince, whose feast day is next Saturday (on the new Calendar).

                But, St. Vlad is part Jew too- his Jewish mother was a steward-serf. You’re a frustrated elitist, like St. Vladimir’s 14- year old concubine, who refused to marry him because he was the son of a serf. But St. Vlad killed her father, after raping her in front of him.

                This aspect of Christianity, both his behavior and Jewishness, is censored; the Churchians (generally defined as enjoying communion without confession, weddings without patriarchy, etc.) can’t stand it. But it’s a mystery whether what he did was right or not. St. Vladimir is very well-known for baptizing all of Rus (pre-Russia) forcibly, killing all who did not convert. Is that cucked?

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