The fed is printing a pile of money, and what is happening to that money is as obscured and obfuscated as the claims about inflation.
We have for some time been seeing shortages of critical products, typically special products with sticky prices. A contractor cannot get his final payment for lack of a three hundred dollar part, and goes bankrupt. These shortages are increasing and we are now starting to see shortages of basic products, the most basic of them all being labor itself, and very high inflation in products that do not have sticky prices, such as lumber. This prefigures a lot of inflation already baked into the cake, which inflation will greatly exceed inflationary expectations, which are low due to normality bias. There has been quite a lot of inflation lately, considerably exceeding inflationary expectations. The shortages and the inability to maintain monetary discipline which underlies those shortages prefigure a great deal more inflation, exceeding inflationary expectations even further.
Hat tip Pseudo-Chrysostom for the image.
The official inflation numbers have long been detached from reality. They have now, rather suddenly, become rather more seriously detached. They are about to rapidly become a great deal more detached.
The underlying cause is collapse of cohesion and discipline among the elite. They are just unable to stop all sorts of people helping themselves to the printing press, which lack of control and discipline prefigures hyper inflation – not tomorrow, not probably next month, probably not next year or the year after, but not far off.
Hyperinflation does not happen all at once. It starts with wave of startlingly bad inflation, then a wave of relative stability, and people think normality has returned. But it has not. There is another wave, and another, each with more inflation than the last, each with more rapid inflation than the last, and the waves coming closer and closer together, finally blending into one continuous wave until no one knows what prices should be, and the money just stops being useful.
Asset prices are inflating, as people with access to easy money buy real assets, but in the final stages of inflation, asset prices no longer keep up with inflation, because the money ceases to be useful as a measure of value, and assets are illiquid. Someone has a trillion dollars, is not sure whether he should invest in a house with it buy or a hamburger. He is hungry, so he buys the hamburger.
Gold and crypto is hedge against hyperfinflation. Anyone who buys bitcoin intending to sell it for fiat money is a fool,, because investing with the intent of selling presupposes that it is a bubble. Outsiders cannot profit from a bubble. You cannot get out of a bubble sooner than everyone else, because by the time you know it is time to get out, everyone also knows it. (Unless of course the government is the buyer of last resort, or is funding wetbacks with no id, no income, no job, and no assets to take out million dollar mortgages, as in the great Minority Mortgage Meltdown) The primary argument for bitcoin is that fiat is a bubble, hence the hodl strategy. Pay no attention to the latest news, because you know the final destination. Dips are a buying opportunity, assuming the hodler noticed the dip, which he probably did not.
When one does book keeping and accounting, one wants the entries in the assets and liabilities column to be as directly as possible connected to real things that have real value. In contrast, the fed balance sheet is unreadable, and its flows incomprehensible – this has gone beyond normal government incompetence and looks more and more like three card monte. The budget and the debt limit and all that have become as meaningless and irrelevant as the Queen travelling in a stage coach to open the British Parliament.
Silver, these days, is an industrial metal. In the long depression, it was spontaneously demonetized, because people used banks and banknotes for small transactions, and it has been steadily demonetizing further and further. In a hyperfinflation, it might remonetize for transactions of moderate size, but I don’t think so. Crypto currency renders it irrelevant.
The real value of silver relative to other resources, like oil and iron, is likely to remain approximately stable, but as people see what is coming, the real value of crypto and gold, relative to resources and goods, is rising, with crypto rising far faster than gold. If, as I think likely, crypto currency results in the demonetization of gold, gold is going to fall in real value relative to resources and goods a very long way, while silver will remain relatively stable. Stability sounds good, but you will not be able to buy food, guns, and ammo with it.
So China just banned all cryptocurrency transactions: https://www.reuters.com/technology/chinese-financial-payment-bodies-barred-cryptocurrency-business-2021-05-18/
Sorry, that was a dated link related to their last crackdown. The ban now seems to be global and not just related to institutions: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-24/china-deems-all-crypto-related-transactions-illegal-in-crackdown
“China’s central bank said all cryptocurrency-related transactions are illegal and must be banned, sending the strongest signal yet on its determination to crack down on the industry.
All cryptocurrencies, including Bitcoin and Tether, are not fiat currency and cannot be circulated on the market, the People’s Bank of China said on its website. All crypto-related transactions, including services provided by offshore exchanges to domestic residents, are illicit financial activities, the PBOC said in the statement.”
Cryptography will, over time, develop ban resistant measures. A multitude of such measures are on the drawing board, and rather more cumbersome workarounds are available right now. For example someone in China can ssh into a computer outside China.
Now there is incentive to give effect to those ideas, but it will take quite a while.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2021-09-24/perfect-storm-precious-metals
Short of it is that despite a pile of crises that should be sending gold through the roof, gold is sinking while resources are soaring under the impact of inflation.
This only makes sense if people are moving to crypto currency.
If you really want precious metals, buy silver, but if things really go bad and stay bad for substantial time, and I rather think that they will, you will not be able to sell your silver, and you will have to leave it behind when you flee. Gold was not a hedge against the hyperinflation of the French Revolution nor the Russian Revolution nor the Cambodian revolution, nor was is it a hedge in Venezuela.
Resources are soaring, because all goods and services that are spot traded are rapidly reflecting the inflation of the money supply, while due to normality bias, most goods are failing to yet reflect the realities of supply and demand. Everyone is thinking the crisis is temporary, and is reluctant to adjust their list prices. But the real crisis is that the government has lost control of the government. The presidency removed the president and now is spilling freshly printed paper money out of every orifice.
Scalper prices and other spot traded prices indicate what your list price probably should be right now – and also indicate what the wages you are now receiving are going to be worth. You need to index your prices and wages to a scalper and resource price index.
Conspiracy theorists are wondering “Who is really in charge of Biden?” The answer is: Far too many people.
I do have great reservation about crypto specially coming from those silly ancap ideas that with crypto power will not have control of currency. But i do agree with you that it is probably the perfect type of money for a refugee.
Not a easy thing since people may sooner or latter try to lynch someone for what they feel it is just price gouging.
> … should be sending gold through the roof.
should be?
Should be going through the roof presupposes, posits, assumes-everybody-agrees gold is a hedge against inflation, especially a hyperinflation — but the only people who believe gold is a hedge against inflation are gold bugs like Peter Schiff talkin’ his book and sellin’ tout newsletter subscriptions.
You yourself give excellent three revolution examples where gold clearly did not function as a hedge against hyperinflation.
So … gold is not a hedge against inflation. Let’s at least agree on that.
So what is gold? What is it good for?
As cross-generational store of value, a way to save in something other than fiat.
Everyone knows that gold is a hedge against hyperinflation, and every rich person used to diversity some of his assets into gold.
Increasingly that gold is being sold to buy bitcoin.
Gold is starting to demonetize, as crypto currency starts to eat the world financial system. It is happening now.
Not everyone who holds gold holds it as a hedge against inflation.
Look at the charts at the bottom of this post.
https://nftrh.com/2021/09/24/when-the-tight-economic-rope-slackens/
People who tout gold and gold stocks as an inflation hedge are touts and frauds and charlatans who know not of what they tout.
The ratio charts do not lie, unlike the touts and frauds and charlatans.
I do agree with you however that fiat haters have preferred crypto over gold once crypto proved it was not a fool’s flash in the pan. Kind of like back in the day, after Google IPO’d, Yahoo ceased to be king of day trading volume.
This man is a tout and fraud, and the charts do lie, for a chart over a few months cannot meaningfully show the relationship between gold and inflation.
The sudden rise in gold in march 2020 was a reaction to the fed injecting a pile of liquidity. Gold rises in anticipation of inflationary times.
Graphs don’t lie, but the text around a graph is apt to lie.
He’s not a tout nor a fraud, but a man of integrity in a gold bug world of vipers whom I have known and called a friend for decades.
Last I will offer on this subject.
It’s not time for gold should be going through the roof.
Global central banks have fire-hosed fiat nonstop since 2009. The fiat fire-hosing in response to covid has finally drowned the world in fiat, and the world is finally noticing.
What’s gold doing? It’s bidding on $dollars. Forget about what gold should be doing and notice what gold is doing. It’s bidding on $dollars. You will notice, $USD is not tanking; it’s being bid; it has a strong bid under it.
Now, your claim is gold is bidding on $dollars to turn around and buy crypto. Fair enough. Tough to prove, but no doubt some of that is happening, as I already acknowledged.
But gold also could be bidding on $dollars to buy a new truck before it doubles in price or natural gas to keep the lights on or a 10-acre ranch with water rights or a million acres of farm land to grow food or a stock pile of guns and ammo.
What is not happening is $dollars are not bidding on gold. “Why no bidding on gold, $dollars? Come on, man, the shit-show is hyper-inflating!”
I’ll tell you why. Because people with piles and piles and piles of fiat burning a hot-potato hole in their pocket still believe the piles of fiat still have purchasing power, are still worth something, and, more, that the things they buy with the piles of fiat — trucks, nat gas, ranches, farms, whatever — will remain valued and valuable into the future.
When do $dollars bid on gold?
When people come to believe that the piles of fiat burning a hole their pocket and the real things they purchased with the fiat are … all … going … to … $zero.
That’s when gold goes through the roof.
As always, all the best to you, Jim.
“When people come to believe that the piles of fiat burning a hole their pocket and the real things they purchased with the fiat are … all … going … to … $zero.
That’s when gold goes through the roof.”
No if the value of every asset is going to zero because you are in a total dark age collapse that means that ammo goes through the roof and gold is almost worthless. Gold goes through the roof in a Weimar hyperinflation but without a total breakdown in law and order if total breakdown of law and order ammunition and weapons are the most valuable commodities followed by portable food and trade goods preferably ones easily carried Gasoline is likely to be extremely valuable too..
Violating my pledge of “last word,” but can’t help myself.
You’re exaggerating trees for forest.
“Liquidity” crises, wholesale liquidation of physical and financial assets, secular multi-year bear markets in stonks (remember those; I do), default of coporate and government debts under every bush and around every corner — that’s when gold outperforms, not (contra the gold bug faggot inflationistas) during central bank InflationOnDemand inflation.
That’s all I’m offering.
Yes, of course, bullets and cigarettes always and forever will be Ultimate Money(tm) — but there’s a big gap between that and the here-and-now where we all need to live in and survive.
Gold performs short term when fiat money dysfunctions, financial crises where highly liquid dollar denominated assets suddenly lose their liquidity and their lock to the dollar, whereupon rich people move from assets similar to those that failed, to gold denominated EFTs, even though such crises are deflationary. It performs under those circumstances because gold is money and has been for over five thousand years. Gold is rapidly ceasing to be money in front of our eyes.
You are shilling overcomplicated rationales for fraudster prophecies repeatedly failing.
The fraudster you are shilling for explains the failure of his predictions by saying we are now in the Goldilocks economy. Pull the other one! We are in the frying pan economy.
Gold is illiquid, because increasingly likely to be confiscated or stolen in transit, so people rely on promises to deliver gold. A gold fund is a paper asset backed by promises to deliver gold. Promises have been failing, they will fail worse.
> You are shilling over-complicated rationales for fraudster prophecies repeatedly failing.
I’m not shilling anything.
Just trying to have a conversation.
Whatever.
We’re all gunna die, horribly, in the storm.
According to you, dump your entire net worth into Bitcoin or whatever crypto story of the day (which changes daily, weekly).
Can’t do it, not gunna happen, not me, not here. Even though you might be right.
I’m sitting like everybody else on piles and piles and piles — fat staciks! — of zero-interest hot-potato fiat $dollars.
Gold is bidding on my $dollars.
“Here! Take ‘um. Got more than I know what to do with. Thank you very much for your gold.”
Ahem.
Obviously one should diversify. I own land, shares, and other things. But would not touch gold with a ten foot pole. If it did not rise on recent events, it is already well on the way to losing all monetary value, though the process will take ten years or so, and it will have some small lingering monetary value for a century or so.
Silver was demonetized in the long depression, but it had some small lingering monetary value for a long time afterwards.
And true, the crypto story does change quickly. Events are happening fast, and what the landscape will be like when crypto fully replaces fiat is unclear. I try to keep my finger on what is happening. I don’t respond to, or even notice, this weeks news,but every so often I do a fairly in depth investigation into what is cooking.
The biggest thing to happen recently is BTCPay, which considerably improves the prospects for bitcoin. But I expect other coins to produce addons that enable BTC pay to support them. The landscape is still forming.
With BTCpay and woocommerce, anyone can put a shop on their wordpress installation, without needing a third party payments processor. This makes a huge difference, as third party payments processors tend to be agents of the state, and in the coming storm, they are likely to go down.
When the money supply was massively increased, many people predicted what would happen.
Now it is happening. And people I know with money are not blind.
If gold is actually falling relative to things with real prices (scalped goods and spot price traded goods such as lumber and oil) It does not indicate that rich people are blind. It indicates their judgement concurs with mine.
Most rich people are very smart and knowledgeable about this kind of thing (though frequently blind to the broader social picture of which it is part). If rich people are not bidding for gold with their dollars, it is because they know better than the fraud you are shilling for.
Crypto currency is simply better than gold for doing the things that gold does. Therefore gold is likely to fall, because it has lost its monetary value, and people, or at least rich people, are starting to realize this.
Silver has already fallen to its non monetary value, so will probably enjoy the stability in value (and rapid rise in dollar terms) of other resources. If you are going to buy precious metals, buy silver or niobium. But when you vitally need some money to pay for an airline ticket to safety, you will not be able to convert it. It will be valuable again when the crisis is over, but it will be utterly worthless during the crisis.
Gold is money. Silver is not. You could equally well buy ammunition, tobacco and dishwashing liquid, which will serve equally well as stores of value, and be a lot more tradeable.
And every passing day, for the first time in five thousand years, gold is less and less money. On the other side of the crisis, if there is an other side, gold will be no more money than silver is, and lot less money than tobacco or dishwashing liquid is.
But washing liquid can be watered, so may be less fungible in a crisis than laundry clothes powder or tobacco.
> Most rich people are very smart.
Rich people buy Chihuly art for insane amounts of money, not to mention mansions in the Alps they’ll never visit, let alone live in. Many many mansions.
Cross-generational, cross-regime wealth preservation.
Notice that a Chihuly sculpture never, ever sells for less than what the previous buyer paid for it. If you were a rich fuck and needed money fast, because broke, and even thought about selling your Chihuly for less than what you paid for it, you would be Epstein’d tout de suite.
I’m not shilling for anything.
DO NOT buy gold, DO NOT buy gold stocks, as a hedge against inflation.
How is that shilling?
I did, too, bought the SPY and Qs in size.
Made fabulous amounts of fiat as a result, more than 78%, best trade of my life.
Jim, How are you buying all this crypto anonymously? A post on that would be extremely useful and received with gratitude.
I second this
Gold was not a hedge against the hyperinflation of the … Russian Revolution
In the winter of 1932-33, gold was the only thing that would keep you alive during the communist-engineered famine in the Ukraine. From Miron Dolot’s indispensible “Execution by Hunger: The Hidden Holocaust:
Faced with starvation, the author’s mother extricates a gold medallion from its hiding place to sell at the state-run hard currency store:
Worth noting that what’s being described in the paragraph you quote isn’t people bypassing a state-sponsored famine by underground gold exchange, but a state-sponsored scheme to use famine to get people to pawn their gold savings to the government.
Gold was not a hedge against the hyperinflation during the Russian Revolution, because they used a variety of extreme measures, such as this one, to take your gold away.
a state-sponsored scheme to use famine to get people to pawn their gold savings to the government
they used a variety of extreme measures… to take your gold away
Both of these are fair enough points.
But what are their implications for one’s decision of how much gold to hold today, relative to other choices such as bitcoin, dollars, stocks, ammunition…
What the Ukrainian peasants needed more than gold or even ammo, was sufficient organization to kill all the commissars and OGPU men, whom they vastly outnumbered. Not accidentally, that’s also what the opponents of collectivization lack today.
If you are not holding ammo, you will not keep your gold. Food stocks tend to deteriorate over time, so it is pointless to stockpile too much food, unless one can accurately assess time frames.
The enormous advantage of crypto currency over all other forms of readily transferable and fungible value is that a seemingly penniless unarmed hungry refugee with nothing but the shirt on his back could carry a fortune in his head.
Gold bugs tend to visualize themselves hiding out in the backwoods till it all blows over, but in the French and Russian revolutions, and in the Yugoslavian civil war, the countryside was the worst place to be, because armed groups kept wandering through, taking everything they could take, and destroying everything they could not take so that the hostile armed group that was going to come in shortly after they left would not be able to get anything.
The optimum for hunkering in place is probably small town where enough people know each other, so that when the big cities have been cleaned out, and they go to clean out the countryside, there are enough townspeople to give them an appropriate welcome. But the best option is apt to be becoming a refugee. And it is a lot easier to be a refugee if when you arrive at a location with power and internet, you have money, can check into a hotel, and book a flight on a plane.
Also the Rhodesian Bush War, Mugabe’s Zimbabwe, and what’s increasingly occurring in South Africa which is likely to be the nearest approximation of what’s in store for America.
Suburb neighboorhoods of Indians and whites successfully propelled pillaging black mobs in the latest round of riots in South Africa. These are the places you want to be if you hunker down. Isolated farmers are likely to be butchered in their beds.
Farmers have a lot of value when people are starving. I’m a mountain kind of guy. The darker races just don’t like the mountains. There’s a primordial fear involved. A gang of blacks in SA can roll up to an isolated farm on the veldt no problem. In fact, that’s been their primary mode of warfare since time immemorial. The mountains though? Get deep enough in there, and my instincts tell me that Tyrone wouldn’t dare, if he even thought there was anything valuable up there. Once you’re under the trees, you’re prey.
Also, if law and order breaks down to that extent, the right move is to go out and raid and conquer rather than hunker down. Imagine a convoy of SUVs rolling down a torn-up I-95 to go on safari in the ruins of Boston. Hunkering down while the bloody tide of history washes over you is the role of the peasant. Fleeing to where things are not as bad is an indicator of a merchant.
What they have in their warehouses and fields it is even more valuable than them.
SUVs burn alot of fuel and raiding built up zones is not a heavy or bloodless task.
I like the way you think, Aidan. Mountain people are a special breed. It brings something out in you. Makes you comfortable in the high places and the forests, like our ancestors were before they took to the ground and started using tools. You become the thing that descends from the heights to prey on others.
After I learned the Priest, Warrior, Merchant model, my life makes a lot more sense. My instincts tell me to go do business where there is a market, not buy a farm and hunker down. Luckily I’m not in the US haha.
I like the mountains. It’s my favourite natural environment, though it’s obviously inherently very inconvenient from the perspective of modern civilized amenities and such.
The Alps are an hour by car from here.
Though our parks there are not so large you could feasibly live there and hide like in America I feel. Maybe once civilization collapses.
Mountain men are not going to feed themselves. There is a reason most mountainous regions are famous for raiding. Not enough area for farming and thus a focus on ranching. Livestock raiding becomes an important part of survival, or they raid the lowland farmers. Take the flatlanders’ food and daughters, fight with the other clans, and enjoy a life well lived.
It should be noted that the Venetian Republic was created by refugees of the collapsing Roman Empire. The lagoons of northern italy were defensible and hard to get to by raiders and the water access gave them the ability to trade for goods.
Hence it was a merchant Republic, I guess?
Right. The elite of Venice were thoroughly merchant class if I’m not mistaken.
“Gold was not a hedge against the hyperinflation of the French Revolution nor the Russian Revolution nor the Cambodian revolution, nor was is it a hedge in Venezuela.”
That’s not quite true. Gold was simply illegal. People do trade illegally, but they don’t advertise it; especially if punishment is severe.
What is the difference between governments making gold illegal and governments making crypto illegal?
Gold was not illegal. Property was illegal.
The problem was that state sponsored looters were combing over the countryside, not only for hordes of gold, but for hordes of grain. Indeed they were far more interested in the seed corn, and took far more extreme measures to find seed corn, than to find the gold,
The difference between crypto currency and gold is that it is a lot harder to find and to take crypto currency. Crypto currency is far more adaptive than gold when legality is gone.
Visualize the BLM doing house to house searches for “horders” In this situation, do you want gold or crypto currency?
Every hack is in a race to unilaterally increase ‘taxes’ by pouring more funnymoney into their own personal hobbyhorse, faster than all the other guys can do the same for their own pet issues – and no czar to tell them to stop.
Off topic, but somewhat Jimian themes. I read today that Errol Musk, 72, has fathered a child with the 30 year old daughter of an ex-wife. Media is saying “step daughter” but I don’t know if there was ever an adoption. A few thoughts come to mind.
1. Errol musk looks much more masculine and virile than Elon, even at 72: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/03/17/21/4A4BB7F700000578-5513787-image-a-8_1521321857016.jpg
2. Why is opprobrium only being directed at Errol Musk and not the 30 year old woman.
3. Why does the media even know about this? I know I wouldn’t be blabbing my personal life to the media.
“Errol musk looks much more masculine and virile than Elon, even at 72:”
Somehow, haring a full head of hair at that age looks feminine.
You are just jealous. If i live that long when i hit 60 i am going full Gandalf mode.
He kinda looks that way but Trump doesn’t. I think it’s the hairstyle and the face that make him look a bit grandma-like.
Ehhh…to be honest, with that hairstyle & unbuttoned striped shirt he looks like my mother-in-law, in the ‘80’s, when she was dressing for her season. (Remember that “summer, fall, winter, spring†colors thing, those who were around?)
https://www.spglobal.com/platts/en/market-insights/latest-news/electric-power/091321-factbox-uk-electricity-prices-now-most-expensive-in-europe
Hyperflation now hitting UK energy prices. Likely coming to America next.
I posted this reply below the wrong post, so here I am double-posting, this below the right post.
**And just as BoJo gave the islanders the biggest tax raise in living memory
https://politicalwire.com/2021/09/08/britain-hikes-taxes-to-highest-since-world-war-ii/?wpfpaction=add&postid=1395211
But he’s also bringing Imperial measures back, so he must be the good guy kek.
Theory I read on some EE guy’s blog is that while proper hyperinflation may arrive, that’s not the actual agenda.
The actual agenda is to make economic life impossible, with everything costing too much, debt being endemic, and income being unpredictable and sporadic (as well as electricity, water, heating, and basic product availability), so that globohomo can then step in and Save The Day via a new social contract in which every surviving goy is “forgiven his debt†but in return society “starts over afresh†which means you will own nothing and be happy.
Same guy or maybe a link I followed theorizes that by 2040-50 it will be apparent that the new generation ordinary goys as disposable biounits now only live up to say 40 or 50 for some incredible unknown reason, while the benevolent rulers try to break beyond 120.
There is no coherent plan, or rather there are too many plans, all with varying levels of evil, Many contradicting one another.
Among the most evil is what you describe and what I also see the populist alt-right coalescing around. It is the story of the Great Reset: using covid, neocommunist states will assume total control of the population through social, political and economic measures designed to take away its inhabitants’ power so that we may better worship mother earth, who is totally not a demon demanding mass human sacrifice.
Thing is, even though this is totally correct and happening, it’s just one of many schemes happening. Every politician is scheming and they are all hatching very clever plans to get themselves ahead at the cost of others. The net result of all these clever schemes is societal collapse. What is happening is not that Sauron’s eye is growing, but that it is collapsing.
According to Alexandr Dugin’s interpretation of Jung, psychotic collapse begins in a man when his Anima takes on the form of the Mother and overwhelms his conscious mind.
Perhaps, among other things, this is what we are seeing accelerating on a civilizational level as well. The Mother anima arising and engulfing the patriarchic structures whose many safeguards were dismantled over the decades by the generic Prof. Alisa Goldbergstein and her lot.
Which reminds me that over the last quarter century, what with the ozone layer thing and global warming and Gates experimenting with blocking out the sun–part of the deeper demonic impulses are not only anti-father, anti-phallus, anti-hierarchy, anti-category, anti-boundary, anti-order etc. — when you dig deep enough they are anti-Sun.
Hence being anti-life simply goes with the territory.
A Great Mother, Lunar-based inverted order trying to break into chunks and digest the Solar father-based order.
The dystopia of the toxic mother who controls every minute detail of everyone’s life, promotes ‘fairness’, but is also quite OK with destroying children and men because ‘they behaved badly’, or are an inconvenience.
To the toxic great mother deity men are ‘defective women’ who need to be ‘cured’. Hence the tranny promotion, the soyboy promotion. These are ‘cured men’.
“To the toxic great mother deity men are ‘defective women’ who need to be ‘cured’. Hence the tranny promotion, the soyboy promotion. These are ‘cured men’.”
I’ve thought this myself. In schools males are taught that everything about being a straight male is evil and oppressive. The only way out for a lot of them is to pretend they aren’t males, some even going so far as to have their genitals surgically removed. It’s gotten so bad that everttime I see an anon claiming to be a female online I assume they’re a tranny.
> It’s gotten so bad that everttime I see an anon claiming to be a female online I assume they’re a tranny.
Heh. In the earlier days of the internet they used to say “there are no women on the internet” and everyone assumed a “woman” was just a guy pretending. It seems like we just added a different label to that.
I’m not familiar with the etymology of the term “discord tranny”, but holy shit are there a lot of trannies on the Discord servers I’m part of. Seems every time I look at someone’s profile they mention their weird ass pronouns and whatever stupid obscure shit they’re into.
Trannism is what the Cathedral is offering to Omegas. They get to be high status pets.
Recently I saw someone on twitter who I actually recognised from my old high school. He had the works, the made-up sexuality, the “genderqueer” stuff, and he even claimed 1/16th ancestry of some minority (think native american). In high school he was just a white guy. I suppose he graduated from school, went to college, and suddenly learned he was embedded in a social milieu in which normal white guys were bad so he adapted himself to it.
I haven’t said anything about the constant use of the “kike spike” meme, which literally no one else uses, but whatever, it was technically developed in Israel and people are entitled to their personal catch phrases, right? These latest posts, though, are starting to smell like fedposting. Seems to be a strategy to inject progressively more “jew vs. goy” memes into the discourse, gradually ramping up the frequency and ramping down the subtlety.
Maybe I’m wrong and it’s just always been his posting style. Did he ever pass the Mueller test?
Gas the bikes race car now.
Thank you for this post, it had an effect. Albeit in the future I’d prefer none of that third person stuff.
I’m no prepper or accelerationist. All I ever wanted was a golden time of plenitude, liberties, and peace, as sold by the early Fukuyama. I did not ask to be in a time period that forces me to shake off my accumulated filters and start seeing reality. A shock I’m still processing, and the fact that reality is accelerating at the same time, always steps ahead of my capacity to quite handle it, ain’t helping.
Doing irl stuff, balancing things, yet with this nagging knowledge at the back of the mind. At times I’m calm and good humored. At times I feel a rising rage. Both moods are reflected in my posting style. Abstract info and insight sharing vs glimpses of rage. The rage is directed at events happening in many fields. The RNA and vector shots and the snowballing political processes around them are very much among these topics.
I’ll do better at self-control.
Jesus Christ is my lord and savior and Son of God. I do not believe in a Judeo-Christian civilization. This is to me a post-WWII hoax. I believe in a Greco-Roman Christian civilization. Before late 19th century this was IMO self-evident across Christendom.
I do not believe the Abrahamic religion concept quite applies to Christianity. Judaism and Islam are prophet-centric religions. Christianity is a Savior-centric religion. An avatar-centric religion if you will. Aryan avatar-centrism vs Semitic prophet-centrism.
Vids from the happenings in Australia these days made me lose my cool.
But before I retire the term, I’ll say it again. Kike spike. Kike spike. Kike spike. Pfizer’s Albert Bourla. Moderna’s Tal Zaks. Sputnik’s Gintsburg. The lot. Kike spike.
Nothing wrong with “kike spike”, but our host had already introduced the term “clot shot” which is an excellent term as it covers the present dominant side effects in a nice phrase.
Why are you are feeling rage directed at events? Bad whether or an accident are an event. There is no-one to blame. The events that make you feel rage are deeds of persons. I direct my emotions at the persons who deserve them – it clarifies the mind.
Thanks.
That the clot shot was developed by Jews is irrelevant. The Jews of Israel are getting it pushed on them harder than anyone else. Those worshiping the Holy Awesome mighty Covid demon want Israel to cease to be Jewish as much or more than they want America to cease to be white, thus focusing on their Jewishness means you watching the matador’s cape, when you should be watching the matador’s sword.
That is what is wrong with the term “kike spike”. Watch the sword, don’t watch the cape.
I tend to use slurs in a narrow sense: normal jews are jews, toxic jews are kikes; normal blacks are black, toxic blacks are niggers; normal gays are gays, toxic gays are faggots.
In this sense it could be said theoretically: “Dirty kikes sacrificing their own again like back in WWII for their own psychopathic agenda,” and such a statement would mean a smaller hypothetical group that is quite capable of genociding other Jews in the name of this or that.
I get however, how amorphous the slur-usage sounds on the outside.
“Toxic kikes” are not perhaps all of the core from which stuff emanates, but they’re certainly highly visible first movers and enforces of a huge part of globohomo. Huge part.
So I think it’s not unfair to call that out. “Feral niggers” may not be the only murderers, thieves, and rapists in US inner cities, but still. They are indeed a major component of the problem. Sure there are many overlapping mechanisms at work to produce this situation and feed off it. But the actual group-specific actors is them. No going around that.
I see the JQ in a similar way. Sure, obviously lots of other things happening. But the visible actual group-specific actors is them. Maybe they’re channeling and amplifying impulses from other sources. But it’s them doing it, manifesting it.
I’m completely open to alternative interpretations from anyone.
We are fighting an enemy faith and that faith is not Judaism.
Conversos tend to be the biggest fanatics. Jews are naturally good at priesting, and thus tend to rise in a priesthood. And in a holiness spiral, fanatics tend to rise in a priesthood. Do you see any Orthodox Jews among the people you are pointing at?
The faith is Critical Theory-ism.
Wilson re-segregated the civil service.
Israel is the only rich country with an above replacement birth rate and no USG feminist agitation.
> Do you see any Orthodox Jews among the people you are pointing at?
Shapiro would be an example of an Orthodox jewish subversive/conservative entryist.
Though he is not exactly the same as most of these subversives, he is very much connected to Hollywood and that sphere, he got the money to get his activity started from his wealthy connections.
For what it’s worth, I’m not put out by the slurs. As far as I’m concerned, slur away. Every ethnic and racial group under the sun is squabbling over the scraps known as America right now and so they’re pretty much all fair game, jews included.
What I was noticing was that you were seeing (or implying that you were seeing) jews around every shadowy corner. There are plenty of them who are in on it, and many more who are just obnoxious and irritating, but being generally enthusiastic participants does not make them the ringleaders – more like very high-functioning NPCs. The cape, not the sword.
Jews obnoxiously and irritatingly suck up to power, but they are not power.
https://i.imgur.com/4IMtpdH.jpeg
According to this chart global reserve currencies in the last 500 years have only lasted for 80 to 110 years at the most.
The dollar would be a 100 year old global reserve currency counting from 1921.
Well, the fiat dollar has in its roughly 50 years lost about 98% of its value, when denominated in that barbarous relic gold.
Jim, you present strong arguments in favor of crypto, but you also say that in the end there will be only one cryptocurrency.
How can crypto be a good investment then? If I buy today, I might buy the wrong one and find out in 5 years that it is worthless. Worse, even if I buy all cyrpto currencies available to diversify, I might find that in 5 years a new cryptocurrency is the one and every other is worthless.
At present, crypto does not seem to be a buy and hold investment. A small amount, like a checking account, to pay for purchases has utility. A large amount would have to be cared for, wouldn’t it? Keep in touch with the news and hope to find out which crypto will be the one, before the others become worthless.
If you really want security, invest in niobium, silver, and all that, and bury it in a deep hole. That will hold value, but it will not gain in value, and it will be utterly worthless during the crisis, since to unload it you need a well functioning market economy.
Some people will get, have already become, incredibly wealthy.
Some people are going to be bare assed in the snow.
It used to be that gold, at least, was a secure investment. Now it no longer is.
You play your money and you take your chances. As ultimate leftism approaches you will have to be nimble if you hope to have anything the other side of the fire.
If you want security, buy silver, niobium, etc, and bury it in a deep hole in the ground. It will not appreciate, but nor will it lose value. Trouble is it will be utterly worthless during the crisis, since to unload it you will need a well functioning market economy, and well functioning market economy is going away, and will not necessarily return. Further, after the crisis, if you buried it on your land, you will probably no longer own that land. Best bury it deep in the wilderness.
I strongly disagree with Jim in regards to the Highlander Hypothesis. I see these constructs as serving many incredibly useful niches at once; internet-native corporate structures, distributed open-actor databases, trustless state upkeep machines, and eventually the collective memory of an emergent uncontrolled internet operating system.
Blockchains — by which I am referring broadly to any data structure that is successfully shared across byzantine actors through time and space, and so include any updates to the fundamental algorithm — are not merely accounts of who has what money. They are accounts of any arbitrary data, any arbitrary attestation, any arbitrary statement that can be extrapolated from the data and attestations, and any arbitrary execution of logic dependant or not on the data, attestations and computed statements. To clear the jargon: they ain’t just currency. Not by a long shot.
If they were only a currency system, if they were only evolving to fill a niche that is a currency system, I would still disagree with Jim, but in a way that is more nit-picking than rejection of thesis. There would be, like fiat systems, a reserve currency system and many orbiting systems for particular markets. You would really only want the reserve, and the local currencies could be acquired when needed for use. But they are not merely currency. They are currency, they are reserve money, they are contract, they are ledger histories, they are sovereign corporations, they are the basis of new communications technology, and they are the basis of new computing algorithms never before seen or imagined.
So there will be far more than one winner, because there are many many niches to fill. Maybe, in the long run, the currency niche will not even be the most valued. We exist in strange times, and nothing in history can be compared to our new information constructions.
Obviously every sovereign corporation will be its own blockchain, and every set of traded shares its own currency. There will be many, many, many blockchains
But there will be one dominant universal money with one blockchain, just as for a long time, all national currencies were shadows of the US dollar.
The names of the identities of business agents will be rooted in the business name, but the names of businesses and many individuals will be rooted in the one blockchain, because everyone will want their ultimate root of identity in the same place as everyone’s else’s ultimate root of identity, just as everyone will want the hard money underlying their soft money transactions with random people all over the world to be the same hard money as underlies everyone else’s transactions.
You are predicting a star topology. But star topology is the result of expensive coordination. Coordination is getting exponentially cheaper, as a result of automated trust and sublinear cost of verification, and this will result in a mesh topology.
Currency was, and is, a computational tool. We used it to peg down values as a way of coordination of resources. We are evolving many many more computational tools, and resource allocation tools, and as a result the niche for currency will shrink.
money has functions four, a medium, a measure, a standard, a store.
In order to do book keeping and accounting, a company has to use one measure and one standard in every journal entry.
The dollar rules because international transactions are measured in dollars, and because international debts use dollars a their standard. And people do this because other people do it.
Instability in conversion rates for crypto currency prevents them from being used as a measure and standard, but they are stabilizing and the dollar is destabilizing. In the competition between standards, the most stable of standards, or better, a standard that is very slightly deflationary, will win.
My proposition and thesis is that those functionalities will be split, because they will work better separately. The reason they have not split in the past is due to the burden on coordination and computation it would place; burdens that are now surmountable. Just as you must expend energy to drill oil, which will then allow a much higher total energy in your system, you must expend computation to eventually reach a state in which information is much richer.
As a medium, you may trade many things and as long as you can account for their value and the friction in the extraction of value, it doesn’t particularly matter. In the past you brought up the illiquidity of an index stock, and I agree that accepting such a thing in trade would reduce your total value, because you would then have to expend resources to change the index into other forms of capital. My belief is that, this friction will vastly reduce as crypto economic systems evolve. You would be fine accepting a glut of index funds, because they would be nearly as liquid as dollars are today. You would not have to account for the extra time and expenditure in their conversion, because the conversion would be nearly frictionless. This will happen as a result of more and better computation and more and better total liquidity in all markets.
As a unit of measure, you should not have an inflationary token used as a measure for the same reasons inches do not grow by the year. For that very same reason, however, you should not have a deflationary token either. How such an accounting and such a unit of measurement is eventually achieved, I do not know. I do not believe any of our current technologies are up to snuff to cover this use case. I would agree with you if you said that deflationary and fairly stable tokens such as BTC are far better than the dollar and even gold; I just do not think we have found a satisfactory answer to the question of measuring value.
I am assuming that by standard, the meaning is that the money is accepted widely. A chuck-e-cheese token is money, but very bad money because very few places would accept its value. My predictions for the future of this utility is hyperlocalism. Every group will have its own standard, and because of the liquidity inherent to the new system, such a thing will not impede trade with others, at the same time it allows for a tighter loop on internal control. By programming the physics of local exchange, you change the possible opportunity for defection and can create microeconomic environments to your advantage. For the same reason our computers dont share one universal heap, but instead have a local method of managing resources. For your bookkeeper, as long as the books are for chuck-e-cheese, they can write them in those tokens.
As a store, I admit to not having a good answer. I think that the most likely outcome is extremely derisked index funds and other such financial products. In this case, the dollar is obviously not a good choice. But perhaps the eventual measurement unit will be optimal. As a measurement of wealth, it should grow at the same rate as the total amount of wealth it accounts for, shouldn’t it? But wealth and value are perhaps not as well defined as inches, and so I am willing to admit my lack of good foresight here.
Money is a measure and a store. You want your measure to be stable, but you want your store to appreciate. In the competition between monies, the mildly deflationary one tends to win.
Rapid inflation has the same effect on the economy as rapid deflation, though lagging inflationary and lagging deflationary expectations have opposite effects. When the destructive effects of inflation dominate over the destructive effects of lagging inflationary expectations, you get stagflation. When the destructive effects of lagging inflationary expectations dominate, you get a brief period of fake prosperity, followed by disruptive shortages. We are now in the disruptive shortage phase, which will eventually be followed by the high inflation with high inflationary expectations stagflation phase.
No, you have the terms all mixed up.
money has functions four, a medium, a measure, a standard, a store.
1 A medium of exchange. The shoemaker needs leather, but skinner does not need shoes. So he sells the shoes to someone who does need showed and buys the leather. It avoids the need for double coincidence of wants.
2. A measure. The book keeper and the accountant try to express each transaction, each journal entry, in a single unit so that they can be added and subtracted.
3 A standard. You want to be able to compare prices at a glance.
4. A store. You want to track obligations over time.
Ironically it was harder to rig the computer data in the the Arizona than it was the physical ballots so they just deleted the data. Because no one will go to jail for that crime and because the GOP doesn’t have the balls to use NSDAP tactics the left will barley try to hide the off the walls ballot stuffing next election. Hell they might just make up the results out of whole cloth because who the fuck is going to attempt to check it?
As expected, Maricopa County gave the GOP cassus belli by wiping their logs and defying a subpoena, and nothing will happen, emboldening the left. Of course it’s probably convincing the GOP that the rule of law is over. But a man willing to do what must be done doesn’t join the local GOP to begin with.
Being openly dishonest is preferable than them successfully making it look legitimate.
It might make some realize that the laws don’t matter, it doesn’t have to be someone within the local GOP.
But zero people will change their mind and think the election was legitimate.
Without the GOP doing anything, 2022 is going to be a wipe. Georgia, Arizona, Nevada, all of the GOP reps in California, and more; all of them are going to go deep blue. Arizona GOP failing to do anything meaningful signals what the rest of the GOP is going to do, with the exception of maybe Texas and Florida. Anywhere there is any decent amount of Democratic actors at the state level us going to turn blue.
That scenario unfortunately seems increasingly likely
If no one gets arrested in AZ, it is a signal to the rest of the GOP: grab your ankles and just take it. You know, for the good of our democracy and for electability.
Jim spoke of old Jews obeying the words but not the spirit of the laws.
A religion or legal system is usually susceptible to be circumvented in spirit by legalistic approaches this way.
I just want to enrich the blog with a contemporary example:
https://i.postimg.cc/rsNpr2Mj/1632610649102.jpg
Never heard of THAT before yoday… The typical legalistic evasion of premarital sex bans among ultra religious groups in the past was heterosexual sodomy.
The Jew’s legalism on spilling of blood was funnier and more dramatic. It was so important to avoid walking on ground that had had chicken blood spilled on it, that it was OK to spill the blood of people who have stuff one wants to take, and spilling blood for such a holy and important objective demonstrated one’s vastly superior holiness. (The Romans found this vastly superior holiness unimpressive.)
Sorry for telling this story over and over and over again, but it wonderfully illustrates what was, and is, wrong with Judaism, and what so pissed off Jesus Christ: Jews take the same approach to contracts, promises, bets, and governmental law as they take to their holy books, and allowing Jewish judges in courts interpreting and applying law against Christians results in no end of serious problems. It is also the core of the usury problem: the Christian rules on banking, lending, and and borrowing at interest got Jewed by Jewish bankers and Jewish judges, in a way that was not only unchristian, but fundamentally hostile to capitalism, private enterprise, the pursuit of profit by ordinary people, and is economically unsound.
I have heard this story multiple times but I haven’t figured out where it comes from and searching for it doesn’t yield any results
There is a similar story in the Talmud where the rabbis manage to outargue God. “OH FINE, LOL”
https://forward.com/opinion/451197/in-the-talmud-god-admits-he-is-wrong-and-laughs-theres-a-lesson-there-for/
https://www.sefaria.org/Bava_Metzia.59b.1?lang=bi
Go legalism!
Josephus: “The wars of the Jews”
Florus is one of the Roman authorities that the New Testament mentions Saint Paul preaching to.
The events Josephus relates take place not very long after, and have some of the same cast of characters, as the Martyrdom of Saint Paul, James the Apostle, and wife of James the Apostle. The murder of James was said to have led the fall of Jerusalem by some, but historians of the time dismiss the connection.
Josephus tells us that “The people of Cesarea” killed the master of horse, but it in his telling of subsequent events, the Romans were obviously of the opinion that Jews killed the Master of Horse and that the Jewish priesthood and leadership were guilty.
And then one thing led to another thing which led another thing, which led to the Jewish revolt, which led to the destruction of Jerusalem and the exile of the Jews.
Josephus tell us that owner raised buildings “in affront to the Jews” – the affront being that they were accustomed to walking over his land when going to and from the Synagogue, and his building project stopped them from walking over his land.
Christ prophesied that Jews would be exiled and lose their status as the chosen people for crucifying him, but the material and effective cause was that they they pissed off the Romans by following the letter of the law at the expense of the spirit, and the particular law that they were so earnestly following in trying to take the land near the Synagogue and murdering Jucundus, the Master of Horse, was the law on contamination by blood. They were outraged that blood had been spilled on the ground at the entrance to the Synagogue “the place was polluted” – so proceeded to spill the blood of the master of horse.
We have numerous accounts of these events, which differ significantly in detail but agree in general outline – the general outline being that the very holy were knocking off those they deemed insufficiently holy in acts of lawless violence that were frequently carried out, as with the murder of James the Just and his wife, with a thin pretext of legality – the accounts tend to focus on them knocking of Christians, but that did not bother the Romans. The Romans got upset at them knocking off Romans.
In one account of the Martyrdom of James the Just, he was formally executed, in another he was whacked with a fuller’s club at the instigation of the pharisees and high priest in the same style as the murder of Jucundus, the Master Of Horse.
I don’t think it likely that the murder of James the Just led directly to the fall of Jerusalem, but that Jews got in the habit of murdering people they did not like and taking things that did not belong to them on the basis of the letter of the law did lead to the fall of Jerusalem.
Thank you, that is helpful.
I’m gonna get this book as well, I ordered the one about english society you referenced elsewhere.
The Wars of the Jews is free from Project Gutenberg.
Everyone hears that crap all the time. It drowns out normal people and normal thought.
You haven’t disproven my point. Why do you close your eyes to the truth?
Neither have I proven that flying saucers do not exist. It is your job to provide evidence for your claims, not my job to disprove them.
How did the synagogue come to be in a place that could only be reached by crossing someone else’s land? Whatever happened to the concept of a public right-of-way? Why couldn’t people chop their chickens somewhere else? It sounds to me like the Jews were being deliberately provoked.
The conflict arose over a claim of right of way. Since the Jews wound up bribing the authorities, and the authorities took the bribe and still did not give them right of way, the bottom line is that they took their claim of right of way to the proper authorities, and lost.
Chopping the chicken was undoubtedly deliberately provocative – but trying to physically stop the landowner from building stuff on his land was an attempt to take what belongs to someone else, was coveting and theft. To which chopping a chicken is an entirely appropriate response – in fact potentially lethal force is an entirely appropriate response, one I am not shy about using, and have in fact used on similar occasions.
If you are building a synagogue, need to build it where there is public right of access. There was in fact a public right of access, which Josephus complains was too narrow – perhaps the population and the congregation was expanding. So they were walking on privately owned vacant land adjacent to the public access.
They had a public right of way, and wanted it broadened. The owner of that land did not agree to the broadening. The authorities did not agree, despite being bribed. Therefore, they reason, someone spilling chicken blood allows them to spill human blood and take what belongs to someone else.
When I read Josephus’s account, my blood boils, because I have been in that landowner’s shoes. As far a I am concerned, his big mistake was killing a chicken.
When someone trespasses on your land, you gently hint that they are not welcome. When gentle hints fail, that is the provocation, and you follow by vigorously telling them, and then to actual force. It damn well should go to potentially lethal force, and any blood spilled is upon the head of the trespasser.
This needs a reference page all to itself.
“The Jerusalem Chicken Blood Mostly Peaceful Protest.”
“How some Jews murdered a bunch of people, and got each other killed too, and got their temple torn down and themselves booted from their ancestral home in Judea for N centuries, over an alleyway that might have gotten some chicken blood on it once, and were the Good Guys the whole time because of it, and still are even now. And that’s a good thing!”
“The Jerusalem Chicken Blood Mostly Peaceful Protest.â€
LOL.
That is a fucking tragedy. Just fuck and be married. The Mormons are as cucked on women as everyone else at this point.
Paul’s Advice that if they have the desire (to have sex), let them marry remains as true today as it was then. (And since we know how young girls start to genuinely have the desire, no girl should be unmarried by the age of 12-14.)
Also this just re-cements my view that any woman who no longer lives under a male’s authority should be seen as a non-virgin. (though to be fair, that still doesn’t ensure that she will be a virgin even then.)
Look like Mormon “Soaking” goes at least as far back as 2009 according to this Urban Dictionary entry:
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Provo%20Soak
It would almost be funny, if it wasn’t so painful to see how little the Mormon leadership cares to try and keep their women virgins. (Though to be fair, once they started pushing for women to go to college, they already were deep into turning their women into whores.)
Just hearing about soaking gives me an anti-boner.
BYU is extremely cucked and gay, but soaking is more of a meme than something I have ever heard done growing up in Utah (I have only heard it in apostate Mormon circles). Like Catholics and Anal. Probably has happened, but is more of a meme. Those who want to have sex, have sex. Some wanting to preserve virginity for marriage may do sexual things but not intercourse, and the good Mormon girls with strong fatherly protection did no such things.
You cannot get a penis into a vagina without pushing very hard and moving in and out. Do you really need to ask if they are joking?
Reposting this comment I made a few days ago on an old post for visibility. Sorry for off-topic.
I have multiple questions, to do with manipulating prenatal hormones in order to birth the best possible children, and it seems like you and the commenters here are one of the only groups of intelligent people I can find anywhere who would be interested in this.
For girls:
Following up on this quote of Jims from an old post:
“Check all pregnancies. Spironolactone starting at eight weeks if the fetus is female. Bingo. All women come out feminine.â€
Do you actually recommend this as a course of action, or is this just making the point that a sane society could optimize their children’s hormones prenatally? I am thinking of doing this to ensure my daughter will be feminine. Do you have any experience with actually doing this? From research, I can see that spironolactone obviously feminizes boys, and I’ve also read that it can enlarge uteri, breast and ovary size in females, which the paper calls endocrine dysfunction, although may actually be a good thing from what I’ve seen.
Aside from the general side effects (rashes, dry skin, low blood pressure etc), I can see that for women spironolactone can also cause menstral irregularities, which is slightly worrying, also for the effects it may have on the mother.
Would you recommend Spironolactone or, as another commenter suggests, Dexamethasone for femininizing a girl in utero? Would you just use standard dose sizes, or microdose to minimize side effects?
Do you think a mother pregnant with a girl should be eating high estrogen foods like soy milk, to maximize prenatal estrogen levels? Or is too much estrogen a bad thing for a girl, Ã la birth control pills?
Of course, nowadays real men and hence real boys eat red meat and salt the hell out of it, but I feel like I haven’t found anywhere near as much information on what diet girls should have, especially while growing up. Is soy milk and the like beneficial here too, or should they stick to meat and dairy, and let modern society load them up with extra estrogen?
For boys:
I have the dietary side of things fairly under control. Do you recommend dosing a Spironolactone male-equivalent drug while boys are in utero? Or will this masculinize the mother as well?
For a mother pregnant with a boy, should she adopt the high meat/dairy diet as much as possible, in order to maximize prenatal testosterone development? I think yes.
I know you are inclined to getting sons on testosterone early, which may damage the gonads, but the gonads are probably already sufficiently damaged from the modern life. What age would you get sons on testosterone?
Apologies for the long, off-topic comment, but I would really appreciate as much information as possible as I am expecting a baby. Everyone feel free to chime in if you have any ideas.
I would strongly recommend consulting a based medical professional before you start dosing your children to be.
I would normally agree, but finding anyone based in real life nowadays is a challenge, let alone a based medical professional. Hormones are clearly messed up nowadays for both men and women so I think something must be done, even if finding a based doctor is not possible.
I guess that argument can be made. Personally would be hesitant to interfere with pregnancy through hormones. My take is that it is best to minimize evil influence with traditional measures (healthy diet, natural birth, don’t separate baby and mother, breastfeeding) and just let nature take its course.
But then again also not a fan of men taking TRT, even if I have never tried it. So probably not the guy to ask.
Bad idea to even express an opinion on this, for legal and medical reasons. Honestly, even the best endocrinologists would be guessing, and even if they had a vast amount of embryological baseline data that does not exist, to tailor a therapy for an individual case would require repeated amniocentesis hormone testing which isn’t available and would be absurdly risky.
Good point. To clarify, I wont be interfering with my child’s hormones, of course, this was from a purely hypothetical perspective. Everything I do I will do with the advice of a medical professional.
The bigger question is what are trying to achieve here, are trying to raise elite children? or just concerned with your future child’s general health?
I mean, looking at current outlook I don’t think there is real incentive to raise elite children unless you came from cathedral’s background (ivy league graduate, etc.). Elite parent -> elite children, so are you elite person?
If your concern is merely general health, simple clean living (away from toxic and contaminants) should suffice. Then again in modern age there are a lot of contaminant that we never expect. Personally even this simple advice can be hard to perform.
Off-topic but relevant to discussion on entryism.
Metropolitan Hilarion Alfeyev, bishop and chairman of the Department of External Relations in the Russian Orthodox Church, has shilled for the vaccine. There are and have always been problematic bishops throughout Church history, but Alfeyev is significant because many consider him a likely candidate to replace Patriarch Kirill.
Doing background research on Alfeyev, he wrote “Christ the Conquerer of Hell†in which he advocates a moderate form of universalism, in which anyone in hell had the option of repenting after death in the Harrowing of Hell. Theological debate is off-topic for a reactionary blog, but the Orthodox position on the Harrowing of Hell is that Christ descended into hell and brought with him the Old Testament Righteous as well as those who were destined for heaven prior to Christ (different from Roman-Catholic “limboâ€). Quoting from reviews, Alfeyev proclaims Orthodoxy having no established position, which reeks of progressivism:
“We do know that, since Christ’s descent, the way to resurrection has been opened for ‘all flesh,’ salvation has been granted to every human being, and the gates of paradise have been opened for all who wish to enter through them. This is the faith of the early church, inherited from the first generation of Christians and cherished by the Orthodox tradition. This is the never-extinguished hope of all those who believe in Christ, who once for all conquered death, destroyed hell, and granted resurrection to the entire human race.â€
Alfeyev is ambiguous on the subject of universalism, affirming the moral superiority of the heresy while refusing to support it in an explicate manner.
Is Alfeyev is an entryist, given his promotion of the vaccine, or is he someone who may be trying to be faithful in a legalistic manner to old type Orthodoxy while accommodating new post Christianity, which is more hip and respectable in progressive circles? If he committed to old type Christianity, the wonderfully clever people he met while attending Oxford might think him stupid and might not like him.
As I said, theology is on topic as it relates to entryism, because entryism is totally on topic.
As I said in the parable of the wicked vinedressers:”Religion is on topic when it impacts material and effective causation, as it frequently does.”
Pope Francis still has not made it official doctrine that socialism is holy, single mums are holy, gays are holier, gay priests having sex in a great big pile are holiest of all, and we should worship idols of Gaea, but his position is clear enough.
Alfeyev sounds like another Pope Francis.
Orthodoxy has always been that before the crucifixion, to be saved you had to be of the tribe of Israel. After the crucifixion, Christian. Entryists don’t like that, because it means that the club does not include them. They know that they are not Christian, even they are all “Hail fellow Christian, I am more Christian than thou.”
They are so much more enlightened that Jesus was.
That is what I thought, yet Alfeyev seems to play both sides by opposing transgender surgeries for minors and vaccine passports, although not on Christian grounds. In a TV Q&A (the auto-translate is sufficient enough) he rejects the concept of universal salvation.
Perhaps Alfeyev’s intention in “Christ the Conquerer of Hell†is to create a framework in avoiding being detected of heresy, similar to how the Socinians redefined Jesus to enter into the Anglican Church. His response in the Q&A is reminiscent of progs condemning the Old Testament while rejecting Marcionism. Just as a prog can “reject†Marcion by redefining Christian morality, Alfeyev can “reject†Origen by redefining Hell.
I get the feeling from this interview that Alfeyev may just be a cuckservative, but his book indicates something more sinister.
Brave indeed. No doubt he also thinks the concept of manspreading is dumb and that it is unfair to allow men to compete in women’s sports.
Very brave indeed.
According to Alfeyev, Christianity is a faith which “calls for human freedom†and “can not be imposed by force,†a statement which can only be described as that of someone who has truly surpassed Christ and his saints in his holiness.
*Correction*
The source from Russian Faith which claims Metropolitan Hilarion (Alfeyev) is against vaccine passports is misleading.
In this interview sourced from here, Alfeyev proposes that all businesses which could contribute to the spread of Covid be shut down, those who forge vaccine cards jailed, and anyone unvaccinated forced to stay home. In other words, Australia-style lockdowns.
His response to the subject of individual choice is the Cathedral script, and his tone resembles the snark of almost every Western pundit. His questionable sob story lacks any message of repentance. In other words, demon-worshiper.
This is an old thread, but it should be made clear that me discussing bishops in this manner is not acceptable no matter what they communicate, and I apologize for using this type of language. When writing for an informal comments section mistakes are bound to happen, but certain errors must be rectified.
Only God knows Metropolitan Alfeyev’s personal convictions; I suspect evil given his history, but it could be that like much of the Russian security state he simply lacks memetic sovereignty.
Every Christian Church is heavily penetrated by demon worshipers, and we should not only discuss them in this manner, but when the time comes give them a choice of repentance and humiliating penance, or burning at the stake.
I don’t know enough about Metropolitan Hilarion’s theology to have an option. I do need to gently correct our host’s characterization of Orthodox teaching:
Orthodoxy has always been that before the crucifixion, to be saved you had to be of the tribe of Israel.
This is not what I learned as a young boy in Russian Orthodox church school.
What I learned is that while we know the righteous among the tribe of Israel were saved, we simply do not know more than that.
Some Greek churches take it a step farther and include some of the pre-Christian Greeks among icons of the Old Testament righteous, albeit without halos.
In any case, I know of no canon claiming that only those within the tribe of Israel were saved when Christ descended into hell, and there is no prohibition on praying for the salvation of anyone.
I beg our host’s indulgence if this is too much on theology and too little on entryism. To get back on topic, I suppose (again without expressing an opinion on whatever Hilarion’s theology may be) that this debate points out the importance of having bright lines around core principles, so that we do not cry wolf about entryism, when all that is at hand are simple differences of opinion on inessential matters.
I stand corrected.
Explicating theological doctrine on this blog has been unfruitful in the past so I decided not to correct our host.
Orthodoxy has neither “stages of hell†nor purgatory that one finds in Roman Catholicism, so unbaptized infants and the “righteous†who do not hear of God go to heaven. The church fathers have always been vague on what constitutes as being “righteous.†However, the church is clear that there can be no repentance after death, so anyone who dies outside the church cannot repent after meeting God.
Metropolitan Hilarion (Alfeyev) states that Christ gave all people the option to follow him when he went into Hades:
“the teaching that Christ granted to all the possibility of salvation and opened for all the doors to paradise should also be considered general church doctrine†(208-209).
“the authors of the liturgical books saw Christ’s descent as significant for ALL PEOPLE without exception…nowhere do the hymns speak of selectivity—the existence of certain groups that were unaffected by Christ’s descent. Nowhere…is it stated that Christ preached to the righteous but left sinners without his saving words or that he led the holy fathers out of hell but left all the rest. It is never indicated that someone was excluded from God’s providence for the salvation of people, accomplished in the death and resurrection of the Son of God†(178).
These statements contradict the Word of the Lord:
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity†(Matthew 7:21-23).
Christ does not grant the possibility of salvation to all people after death. Alfeyev’s work is reminiscent of how Progressives never openly deny the Old Testament rather declare Moses and Christ less holy than themselves. There are many well-intentioned people who lack discernment and conflate eloquent prose with truth.
Alfeyev studied under Metropolitan Kallistos (Ware) at Oxford, author of “The Ordination of Women in the Orthodox Church.†Much like Alfeyev and universalism, Ware never crosses the line, rather affirms the basic tenets of feminism (women should not be denied a position on account of her sex), claims the Orthodox church does not have an official position on female ordination, and suggests an open-minded perspective.
Whether or not Alfeyev and Ware are either entryists, cucked progressives or something else is a subject of debate, but one must be vigilant regarding church doctrine so that we do not repeat the mistakes of the past.
What is relevant to this blog and the dark enlightenment is that Gnon is into tribalism.
Gnon favors one tribe. And demands that the tribe he favors keeps his commandments, or he will favor them by giving them painful educational experiences. Gnon is the ultimate alpha male of that tribe. Jesus said that after his crucifixion Jews would be out, and Christians would be in.
So, universalism is heretical. The entryist seeks to detribalize his enemies so that they can be destroyed in detail.
Detribalizers are enemies. Enemies of your tribe, and enemies of your God.
Since Alfeyev is not into tribalism, rather of the belief that Christianity is a religion of “freedom†and “tolerance,†an enemy.
The spirit of monarchy is not the aesthetics of Kings, rather a house divided against itself cannot stand. A parish can accommodate two monks, but a nation can only have one God.
A nation can only have one official god but a nation shouldnt try to persecute everyone who thinks differently unless they are demon worshippers, demon worshippers should however get no mercy.
As long as those who think differently keep their beliefs to themselves. However, those who deny the state religion publicly should be crushed, as one cannot tell if a dissident is a demon worshiper until it is too late.
No one except for a few thought one day the silly liberals of Pushkin would be slaughtering millions.
Bullshit there were many people who foresaw how horrifically tyrannical the 19th century left would be in power.
I do not favor persecuting people for denying official theological beliefs if not demon worshippers they just can’t be in the government, and i can easily spot demon worshippers… leave that to specialists.
>I do not favor persecuting people for denying official theological beliefs
You should absolutely persecute people who deny the organizing principle(s) of your civilization.
For any given community their is a covenant that ontologically prefigures the existence of that community, however implicitly or explicitly expressed. Likewise, the existence of a particular community then entails a range of possible modes that are subversive to the prefiguration of the particular community as such. Which is to say, any beings in possession of modes of thought incoherent with the covenant of a community must be physically removed and separated from that community, if it were to wish to avoid destruction, and continue it’s more preferential mode of existence.
Advocating the government be based on antisocial ideas fall under the demon worshipper category. The guy who is into meditation personally or is a surfer who says if asked hes a son worshipper these are not generally to be considered demon worshippers as long as they dont advocate a social aspect to this…
Denying the state religion is fine for people not in government, advocating it be replaced with any known form of leftism… advocating egalitarianism especially for women… advocating a universal religion to replace the nations way of life these things are subversive and should be treated EXTREMELY harshly.
Everyone within the state and quasi state apparatus, which includes the organs of large scale communication, need to be of the official state religion – as is being enforced right now with ever more extreme standards of what constitutes adherence to the state religion.
But we don’t want to stop everyone else from communicating.
We do however want them to stop communicating to organize and cooperate to take away someone else’s applecart, because if those who want to knock over the applecart have freedom of speech, those who own applecarts will very soon not have freedom of speech.
The reason we have enemies within is that they maintain strict purity in adherence to the ever changing state religion, as for example the college application essay, and we don’t, because maintaining purity standards invites immediate attack from state power.
We used to not allow people to show disrespect for the flag, and when we allowed it, on the grounds of freedom of speech, the old Republic fell.
We are currently not allowed to show disrespect for trannies, buggers, and niggers, and when we allowed it straight white Christian males became second class citizens.
Getting away with desecrating the sacred totems of a high status group, causes them to lose status and you to gain status – which, if pursued collectively in an organized fashion is preparation for attack and takeover.
Notice that anyone who desecrates a Christian Church gets to be a hero and is fined thirty dollars. If anyone burns a Christian church he has to remain anonymous, but not action is taken, even by the priest of that Church.
We will not require everyone to declare the state religion true, we will even allow second class and inferior subjects of the state to quietly affirm some contrary faith. But we will require everyone to be respectful of the state religion. At public events their will be certain rituals of respect, which everyone is going to have to follow, regardless of their faith. Exceptional people who disagree will be allowed in to the ingroup, but they will have to show respect, and affirm things that it is no secret that they do not believe.
>Denying the state religion is fine for people not in government, advocating it be replaced with any known form of leftism…
But one is never without the other; even – or especially – when it is not realized.
Allowing public denial of the state religion is cowardice because it demonstrates the faith and the faithful not above mockery and denigration. Open unbelief is a power play, and status is maintained by violence.
If someone walks through St. Petersburg with a “Jesus is Gay†or “Jesus wasn’t God†t-shirt, he should disappear before he crosses the street. Nations which fail to maintain ideological order collapse.
Well said.
I will retell yet again the story of the Royal Society.
The Royal Society was originally the invisible college, and it had damned good reason to be invisible – its belief system was suppressed, not by overt official state action, but by means similar to those used today against us, and against the scientific method.
After the restoration, the King made it the Royal Society. Which of course outraged the Puritans, because though the Royal Society was genuinely and officially Established Church Anglican Christian, it held a standard of truth, “nullius in verba”, that was contrary to the Puritans heretical and post Christian standard of truth and rather stronger than the traditional Christian standard of truth.
The Puritans assembled a mob to shut down meetings of the Royal Society – which mob was dealt with by the Kings men wielding steel. And that was that.
And for two centuries and four score years, the Scientific Method remained high status and the standard of truth. (Which of course required a bit of re-interpretation of the book of Genesis, but the fathers of the Church, notably Saint Augustine, have long been uneasy about the literal truth of Genesis, and have affirmed it to be “literally” true, with “literal” being redefined in a startlingly elastic fashion, so there is very ancient Orthodox Christian precedent allowing this.)
When the Royal Society became high status, Saint Augustine’s take on Genesis quietly became part of official Established High Church Anglican Christianity, so, no problem with the Royal Society being officially and genuinely Established Anglican Christian.
So though the Scientific Method is rather stronger than the traditional Christian standard of truth, we have near two millenia of an Orthodox Christian standard of truth that allows the scientific method, or at least tolerates it, and near three centuries of an Established Anglican Christianity that endorses it.
And to re-establish the scientific method as the standard of truth will require something like an established state religion that endorses it, and a sovereign prepared to back it by violence, and who uses that violence on a substantial scale at least once.
To re-establish the scientific method will require the similar measures to those that established it the first time around. Violence. Violence involving a lot of men with potentially deadly weapons and the willingness to use them, under the command of the Sovereign with the endorsement of the official priesthood.
Status comes ultimately from steel. The sovereign maintains a gentle velvet glove around the steel, but every so often, the gloves have to come off.
In addition, not persecuting enemies of the state religion means persecuting adherents who honor their faith. If heretics, apostates and entryists are beyond reproach, then they can desecrate icons while the state crushes any attempt to stop them. “Religious freedom” as a formalist concept is a form of anarcho-tyranny, which is why all Leftist revolutions promote it as a means of weakening opposition.
Jim, I was wondering if you could delete the sentence: “In crude terms, if you do not support…”
It was crass and I regret writing that line.
The state wont look weak when leftists disappear and are publically executed all the time and in large numbers.
By being visciously and ruthlessly hard on leftists and NEVER taking the pressure off you can be more easygoing elsewhere. Being too sensitive about the faith is mainly a catholic thing and it killed Spain. The solution is ruthless persecution of the real troublemakers. Thou shalt not suffer a leftist to live.
Saying jesus is gay is demon worship and should be a burning matter…
Denying the incarnation is okay for people outside the government but anyone making such shirts shouldn’t be allowed.
Saint Nicholas, feared by all heretics, disagrees.
Non-Christians do not see it because they view the theological disputes as minutia, but Arianism was a form of demon worship because if Christ was not God it would be impossible for man to partake in the life of Christ through prayer and repentance. The barbarians were Arians because it served as a synthesis between Christianity and their forms of Paganism, but the Greeks were Arians because it allowed them to continue their debauchery.
Kallistos Ware was a late-in-life conversion, which is probably significant.
He was attracted by the majesty of Orthodoxy, as the whig religion of contemporary modernity is an aesthetically impoversished void; but he uncritically brings his whig sensibilities with him, not seeing a connection in how the latter inevitably entails the former.
‘I believe the best path forwards is a synthesis between A and Z’; so say the latest steps in a long line of synthesisers, who synthesized A with Y before them, and A with X before them, and A with W before them… who always have a new ‘normal’ to find a ‘middle way’ through, which coincidentally always involves one party being ‘synthesized’ anew over the other.
Synthesizing mutually incompatible systems A and Z always involves subsuming the compatible particulars of one into the other. In the contemporary post-Christian West this process involves throwing off the ideological and moral commitments of old-type Orthodoxy in favor of a superficial faith that masks an actual faith in Progressivism.
In the interest of falling in line with the regime, most relegate the domain of faith to the metaphysical as a means of avoiding moral responsibility. Universalism allows the pseudo-Orthodox to maintain his adulterated Christianity without having to commit to the establishment of virtue. If everyone receives the option of salvation after death, even the unrepentant and unrighteous, there is no urgency in establishing Christianity as a real and living faith.
The Universalist no longer has to accept Origen in the same way the Progressive no longer needs Marcion. Considering how many defend Alfeyev in spite of his demonic promotion of the sacrament and that the press was not taking him out of context rather omitting much of what he said, it may take a long time before Orthodoxy can assume the role of replacement religion.
Seeing Jim’s comments here re money being both measure and store of value, I would assume JimCoin’s supply would be set (at least eventually), with stable supply being seen by some folks as a reasonable compromise between store and measure with a slowly growing economy (also, it just so happens to be convenient to code for stable supply).
Jim, if you’re happy to discuss at this at this stage, is this the case? If so, how open would you be to hearing an alternative approach that could do better at both measure and store than fixed supply (i.e. how far gone are you development-wise to tolerate a change or contemplate a double issue)?
Please delete this comment if “I have not patience for this†is your answer.
Site link to establish that I’ve been thinking about this issue for quite some time.
Obviously if a currency is truly proof of stake (and most existing proof of stake systems are suspiciously centralized under the hood) then governance ultimately rests on the consensus of the hodlers.
Who will want a fixed supply.
A fixed supply is actually a very slowly decreasing supply. And the holdlers are going to be fine with that. If truly proof of stake, fixed supply.
Not sure I would agree that the holders would want fixed supply and nothing else, there may yet be a better way (as I said, it’s supposed to be better at storing value too, not just measuring).
But I’m in a pickle here, obviously I’m not literate at all technically speaking, and only have a monetary idea to share, not knowing how feasible that is beyond some initial consultations with people close to me. Hence, can’t divulge it, being my only asset.
Should you be interested regardless, I’d annoy you with a pre-deal riding on your word of honor.
For those more experienced with crypto coins, would it be satisfactory to have what we might call a “benign” central bank digital currency designed with a centralized ledger but with monero-style anonymized transactions? The centralized ledger is efficient and can scale easily with trusted participants. However, the central bank verifies transactions and maintains the ledger, but does not know the details of what happened. Details to be worked out, of course.
A fixed increase in coin supply (without mining) would, I think, be useful and yield a reasonably hard currency. For example, central banks used to genuflect towards price stability and 2% inflation. But inflation measures are somewhat complicated and, I’d say, not really satisfactory in behavior. So why not simply define your supply of currency to increase by 2% yearly?
However, note that many of the problems with currency are due to fluctuating demand. Consider the many historical issues with using gold or silver. Ideally, a central bank currency should also have some useful way to cope with this (withou going full fiat). At this time, I have no concrete suggestions.
Isn’t a fixed supply increase what Doge does?
Re fluctuating demand, yes, that’s the key issue. With gold it was solved with fractional reserve banking, but you still had the issue of secular deflation of the base, making books look as if companies were loosing money.
Fixed supply Bitcoin + fractional reserve banking can work, but we can do better (and it obviously would not be a decentralized system).
“Isn’t a fixed supply increase what Doge does?”
Um, yes, I think so, but it seems you can also mine it? This was somewhat unclear to me, so I can’t really say with any authority. But it might serve as a convenient (and amusing) example of this approach.
It is through mining. Mining always provides a fixed total reward per unit of time (in practice, per block), which in the case of Bitcoin halves every four years.
Doge simply does not reduce this reward. Hence, fixed increase in supply.
But there are no cryptocurrencies I know of, where more mining means more cryptocurrency released. That is fixed.
Just, the bigger your share of hashrate compared to everyone else mining, the more of the reward you will get on average. But the total reward does not change except through halvings with BTC, and never changes for Doge.
The economic theory that persistent inflation is a good idea is a rationalization for the fact that the currency issuer always wants to issue more currency. No one would believe it except that countries are run by people who have a financial interest in believing it.
Boils down to who actually has the power. If stakeholders, no inflation, and persistent mild deflation.
The problems were bad people doing wicked things, and then making up clever stories about what they were doing.
There was not fluctuating demand for gold. Rather, because gold is slow, difficult, and dangerous to move, people relied on promises to deliver gold, which can be moved around far more conveniently. And abrupt fluctuations in the supply of credible promises caused problems.
The spontaneous demonetization of silver caused a steady and substantial drop in prices, and despite the alarming sounding name of “the long depression” it had no substantial bad effect on the economy – it is just that after the great depression, the word gained terrifying and ominous overtones. The long depression was economically quite good, though debt is the stickiest price, and it caused hardship for long term fixed interest borrowers – the biggest long term fixed interest borrowers being governments.
The long depression, being a gradual deflation, was economically benign, arguably good for the economy. Short sharp depressions were caused by the sudden diminution in the credibility of promises to deliver gold, and these were harmful.
With apologies to A2 for interjecting, disagree on this.
What is optimal are stable prices, as per Hayek. If you have deflation (supply lagging demand for money, as you do with fixed supply) you make it look as if all firms are loosing money. Turn your books into bitcoin (or gold): did you still make a profit last year?
Conversely, if you have inflation (NOT increase in the supply), you make it look as if firms make money (your “risk free rate”, as per Yarvin).
Increasing the supply does replace lost coins over time and (hopefully) roughly tracks the economic growth. I suppose this would yield price stability (fingers crossed) rather than price deflation?
I see that the original comment has been extended, I’m afraid I will have to return to this at a later time.
Shot it the dark then.
The issue though its that once you start increasing supply you drive a wedge between those who want a medium of account (for whom this is an improvement) and those who want a store of value (for whom it isn’t).
And, despite Satoshi’s best efforts, crypto is a store of value only, kind Dollar is still the medium of account. Hence those who matter will disagree with increasing supply, which is I think what Jim is trying to say above.
As a medium of account, it should increase as population and economic activity increases. But this presupposes someone who can increase it, which is a problem.
One solution that would satisfy everyone is rescaling of unspent transacation outputs, where the amount of money that an unspent transaction represents slowly increases over time, crypto coins that pay interest. Once crypto currency becomes the accounting unit, becomes the measure, it would be worth thinking about that, but first, needs to become the measure. And the process of deciding the adjustment would be difficult and complicated to implement..
It won’t even become the measure if it deflates by design, even shonky dollars are better than that.
Very little thought is put into this issue I suspect, and it is a vitally important issue.
I think I have solved it because I saw it some time back, maybe others have too but as far as I see I see fixed supply, tethers or Dogecoins.
On reflection, a solution that would make both hodlers and accountants happy is a variable unit of account. Amounts in the underlying currency are scaled to the unit of account. Prices are displayed in the unit of account. Payments are displayed in the unit of account, but made in the underlying currency. When the money in a wallet differs from the amount in underlying units paid into it and paid out of it, this is displayed as interest. The scaling factor is adjusted monthly or so. which is displayed in the wallet UI as interest paid monthly.
The unit of account is adjusted by a central authority according to the price level, to keep the price level of a bundle of goods stable.
But we don’t need to care of think about this until crypto currency becomes the measure of value.
How would this virtual “currency” of account really be adjusted?
Calculating inflation accurately seems impossible and this unit of account is essentially solving the same problem.
CPI exists, but it doesn’t seem to show the real inflation that is happening right now.
Of course one could just define CPI as such a unit, and simply take that. But I don’t know if that would really end up reflecting the stability or volatility of prices across the market. It might just not fit well with any product outside of the CPI formula itself.
There will be a conflict between people who have more power than money, who will want inflation, and people who have money, who want deflation. If there is inflation or lack of mild deflation, we don’t have a problem with the currency, we have a problem that some people have too much power.
You forget a third party there, people who want to work and get by: they want neither, they want stable prices so they can know if they made a true loss or true profit immediately, be it 1600 or 2021.
This third party is left unamused by current coins, I dare say.
You can issue blockchain tokens to represent a bundle of lumber, loaf of bread, bigmacs, even hours of human labour. Take whatever bundle economists will prefer as a metric to measure the value of a currency between time periods, turn into token form, and for your spreadsheet just convert the deflating coin into the momentary market price of that bundle
No you cannot.
That requires an external authority with bundles of lumber, lumps of bread, etc.
@Jim, such a thing is possible to institute without a reserve so long as you can have a trustworthy oracle.
The best example is DAI, where users will overcollateralize ETH in return for a loan of DAI. The price is kept stable via the collateralization/liquidation/exchange rates. Higher dollar value, need more collateral, and vice versa. Stable over a decent chunk of time: https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/dai
To implement this requires a pool of third parties reporting price data, this can be crowd mined, and a way to get this price data on chain without people cheating to fuck the exchange rate and cash out. I suspect ever more elegant solutions will be developed as time goes on, and more attention is devoted to solutions to these sorts of games. The ability to empirically test economic concepts by programming financial schemes is going to lead to an insanely fast development of measures and tools just like this.
The trustworthy oracle part is hard. If you have central authority, the are going to cook the data the way the cpi is cooked. If you have a crowd, you are likely to get delusions.
It is difficult to know, not even entirely meaningful to ask, what the price index is, because the bundle of goods and services keeps changing. You cannot do this mechanically. It is a judgement call.
To avoid a judgement call, rely on a bundle of standard commodities, like metals, oil and lumber that are spot traded. If you have a commodities futures market, where people buy and sell promises to deliver commodities, that generates price data.
But on a futures market, they still have a central authority who is apt to rig the game, as happened on the London Metals Exchange.
On the London Metals Exchange, you had a gamestop event. The big firms sold more tin than actually existed or could ever be delivered, short selling unreasonably large amounts of tin. The miners knew this was bogus, and started buying up unfulfillable promises of delivery. “Hey, if tin is so cheap, not only will we pile it up near the mine, we are going to add to our pile of physical tin.” A short squeeze. All the little speculators realized what was happening, and got in on the act, and the exchange corruptly screwed everyone long on tin in favor of everyone short on tin. And as a result people stopped buying and selling tin through the exchange.
The problem with an options market, is that you don’t want people selling promises to deliver what they cannot in fact deliver, and if they fail to deliver, there has to be consequences, and the London Metals Exchange and the British judiciary turned those consequences upside down and instead rewarded people who made unfullfillable promises and broke them. I don’t see how we can reliably enforce promises to deliver physical things with crypto.
@Virtus,
Very interesting example there with DAI. It does sound like (and may evolve into) a fractional reserve system, which is indeed great at meeting short-term demand shocks. But the supply of the base (ETH) will determine long term supply, hence only a part solution at this time.
>I don’t see how we can reliably enforce promises to deliver physical things with crypto.
The same way we guarantee property rights, technological development, military strength, and memetic sovereignty.
> It does sound like (and may evolve into) a fractional reserve system
DAI requires a much greater reserve in value compared to the DAI you are issuing. It’s the opposite of a fractional reserve, the reserve is larger than the outstanding liabilities.
The issue with DAI is the volatility of the underlying assets.
But if you assume long term the dollar will fall relative to crypto, DAI will definitely continue to hold its “value”.
@notglowing,
I understand the significant differences you mention, and one more you don’t, that a FR system is on autopilot and DAI seems to be actively managed (the irony).
No matter, I think it may evolve in that direction with time, it just makes sense (will be outcompetet if not).
Smart contracts can be used, you freeze coins on the blockchain as payment and they only get unlocked upon delivery
Bingo. Right now, I cannot pay my property taxes with crypto. I cannot buy groceries with crypto. I cannot drop by the gas station and fill up using crypto. There may be places where facilities have been installed to enable this but I have not seen a single one anywhere in my daily life or travels within a few hours’ drive of where I live, and nobody I have interacted with in the real world has ever mentioned using crypto as a payment method. Crypto is still a weird abstraction for computer nerds. Nor can I settle with the neighbor over how much I owe him for replacing the property-line fence with crypto; the volatility is still too high to know what the value really is and I think it would not even occur to him to consider it as a form of payment.
Using crypto for anything other than trading for other crypto or making online purchases from nerds still requires selling crypto for a more standard currency, which defeats the whole purpose.
It’s still not money. It might become money but right now it’s not.
It has been money for a while in Bitcoin beach in that most shops and vendors take it, and is rapidly becoming money in El Salvador.
It is money right now in that I have purchased a bunch of services over the internet (no actual goods as yet) using it – not because I was playing with fungibility, but because I actually needed those services. It is money in the market domain for domain names and computers in the cloud, it is money in the market for international magazine subscriptions.
The wind is blowing.
I’ve used https://cryptwerk.com/ to find places where crypto can be spent. There are some websites where you can buy plane tickets with crypto (including LN-BTC) such as future.travel.
I’ve actually bought a few cheap electronic things from a chinese online store using crypto, however the delivery required me to pay the taxes in fiat currency, of course…
Crypto is most successful as a currency not in the day to day life of normal people, but in situations where it is actually more appropriate than fiat, for example for services that are illegal or in a gray area, or which require international payments where international payments are difficult or expensive.
A VPN provider I use gives me a discount for paying in cryptocurrency since it’s cheaper for them to process that, compared to fiat.
Also, just the fact that so many people hold it for speculation creates demand for services to be paid in cryptocurrency.
This is the major motivation for El Salvador going bitcoin. They rely heavily on remittances, and it difficult to send or receive remittances. The President was tired of the bankers giving Salvadoreans a hard time.
Of course crypto is money. That you can’t use crypto to pay for groceries or fuel is beside the point. You might as argue that swiss francs are not money, because (outside of Switzerland) you have to exchange them for local currency to pay for grocery shopping.
There have always been different currencies. If you can exchange one for another, it is money.
I believe the intended term is legal tender.
So, here’s my proposal Xhim,
I think I have designed a supply governance mechanism that is simple as, and only relies on emerging order to deliver a cryptocurrency that serves better as a measure of value and store of value than any other cryptocurrency I know of. It relies on no external trading or other point of centralized failure, which is why it took me so long to figure out. I am confident that, adding this to the architecture you’re well versed in re speed and anonymity will produce a very small but non-negligible chance of the result being “the oneâ€.
If you have the capacity, I will gladly share my idea with you on whatever channel you deem secure to yourself (I don’t mind on my end, you have my name and can hit me up on LinkedIn for all I care). If you decide its shonk and you don’t like it, all good mate, no cost to anyone.
If you think it’s worthwhile pursuing and decide to do so, I ask EITHER 10% of the initial offering (at no cost to me) when you go public, OR 5% of the initial offering (at no cost to me) AND I get naming rights (inferiority complex when you hail from a small country). As I have no way to police this, this all relies on your word of honour and that’s it. Even if you take this and screw me over though, at least let me know when you go public so I can gen in from day one.
Take you time to consider, but let me know here if you’d like to pursue or if I should take my cold sale approach elsewhere.
Sound interesting, but good ideas are worth two cents a bale, if they are already baled.
When you have a really good idea, you do some actual development and test work, and then beat a path to the world’s door with it.
Right now we have a crisis with our monetary unit of measure and account, so we do in fact need a solution, much earlier than I expected. This caught me totally flat footed and blindsided me. I was expecting it, but a long distance down the track. But I am more interested in solutions where the man proposing the solution just wants credit, or intends to get an ownership share by actively working on the solution implementation. A clever idea does not deserve an ownership share till reduced to practice.
If you want an ownership share in your idea, need a working prototype.
Sounds fair enough, thanks!
As I have no technical skills at all in the field, and what support I could get would probably just end up delivering a Bitcoin copy with the one change I need on top, rather than a properly optimized structure, I’d rather someone better versed than me implement the idea.
Will setup a blog and post the link here, so whoever cares to can have at it.
Here’s my attempt at solving the issue. Skip to section 2.
In brief, you create two linked coins of exogenously fixed supply, but set them up such that any portfolio can always exchange any given percentage of the supply of one for the same percentage increase in the other. One can be transferred across portfolios (and is the unit of account), the other cannot (and is the store of value).
Propensity to save or spend will do the rest.
[[[ The Republic is dead. … True, much of the public remains unaware. “I didn’t even know it was sick,†they might say… ]]]
https://amgreatness.com/2021/09/24/the-republic-is-dead
Norm may be gone, but his punchlines live on…
For the uninitiated: https://youtu.be/jAzRb_lErFw?t=127
Well, I caught the Fauci virus.
It feels like a bad flu. Today I had a fever of 101.7, nausea, muscle aches and pains, a nasty headache, and a persistent, productive chest cough. The virus seems to have not been prevented by my prophylaxis (taking a megadose of vit D and a zinc gummy every day.)
As far as things go I still prefer this to getting the vaccine as a show of fealty.
Ivermectin
But why? I don’t anticipate needing anything other than bed rest and fluids.
Spike protein is toxic, even from the regular virus. Best to get rid of as much of it as possible. I hear nicotine and alcohol help, so have a few drinks and a celebratory cigar.
Nicotine is highly effective. All the data shows smokers are radically less affected.
But I recommend vaping, because less tar than tobacco. Nicotine patches are less addictive than vaping or tobacco, and will keep your nicotine levels stable, which is probably what you want when afflicted by spike protein.
I’ll try out some nic patches. I have a lot less trepidation about them than about ivermectin.
Only parasites fear ivermectin. If you have any decent skill at mathematics at all, you can trivially easily alter the concentration of a drug given an initial concentration. Find what the amount should be for your bodyweight, then take that, watering it down as necessary.
As a heavy smoker and drinker and also suspected recent China flu case, this is encouraging. Any links to the research that led you to this conclusion?
I did nothing but wait it out for a couple weeks, and I feel completely fine now. Even a bit better, as I had been working too much before and it seemed to give me a chance to recover.
The question is “why not”? Ivermectin is cheap, has near zero side effects after billions of test cases, and seems all but proven to kill the rona.
A lot of the weird Covid side effects seem to appear a few weeks after infection and linger for several months after that. Ivermectin is supposed to cut the infection period itself by about half, which means you’ll suffer a whole lot less longer-term damage to your RBCs, heart and lungs, etc. while it’s active. That’s not to say that you won’t eventually fully recover regardless, as it seems like 95% of people do, but why let things be any worse than they have to, even in the short term?
Ivermectin isn’t like the clot shot, there’s really no risk from taking it. And once-a-month Ivermectin is actually the recommended prophylaxis – abnormally low Zinc and Vitamin D levels (as well as low Vit-C) are implicated in the very serious cases, but they’re not supposed to stop the virus itself, only HCQ and Ivermectin have really been shown to do that. (Monoclonal antibodies and strong antioxidants and such being for the already-serious cases.)
By the way, short-term megadosing on Vitamin D is effectively useless. Vitamin D is technically a hormone, and takes a long time to build up in your system – about a week of regular intake in order to have any effect at all, and if you were seriously deficient, a month or more to build up healthy levels. Also need to make sure you complement with K2 as D3 on its own causes weird problems like loss of bone density.
I’ve been taking 5000 IU of D3 daily since March. Seeing as I would get a comparable amount from being out in noonday sun for an hour I doubt it will do anything to my bones.
As far as treatment goes I’m going to use nic patches, 1000 mg C daily, 5000 IU D3 daily, and 300 mg zinc gluconate (roughly 50 mg elemental zinc) daily for a week.
I don’t feel like I have a very strange disease – I feel like I have a flu. Ivermectin-wise, I probably wouldn’t even be able to get any before my symptoms abate.
It is the flu. The Covid virus does not cross breed with the flu virus and therefore is correctly classified as a different species, but it occupies the same ecological niche. When it moved into the flu ecological niche, the flu disappeared. We no longer have a flu season, we have a covid season.
During every flu season, there is a significant and substantial excess death rate, but the deaths were seldom classified as flu deaths, since they usually had heart disease, cancer, morbid obesity, and liver failure etc, and were classified according to whichever organ gave up the ghost first. Now we have the reverse issue. If you get run over by a truck, and one the bits splattered all over the road tests positive for covid, you are a covid death. So the death rate from cancer, heart attacks, and all the rest goes down by the same amount as Covid deaths go up.
Flu used to really no kidding kill small children, but old folks it just gave a little push to people wobbling on the edge of the grave, hence the strangely low number of people classified as flu deaths despite the substantial excess death rate. Covid gives old folks a rather more substantial push, but children just laugh it off.
Different species, same ecological niche, similar effects, similar, or possibly lower, excess death rate during flu season.
Looks like a good plan, but increase the vit. C to 3 to 5 grams in divided doses, and don’t forget the potassium and magnesium salts for the muscle aches.
Everyone’s getting Covid now that kids are back in school; it’s hyper-contagious. I just got it myself and was shocked at how mild it turned out to be. I spent a few days resting because my lungs felt sore, but no headaches, nausea, mental fog, loss of appetite, taste or smell, and almost no mucus.
I’ve been slowly eating a zinc penny and taking a lot of cold showers over the last few months. No other supplements, medicines, or vaccines in the past two years, and I don’t drink or smoke. In all my fifty years I’ve never had an infection that was less debilitating than Covid.
Maybe my consumption of wild meat has something to do with it?
I’ll see how it turns out for me. Right now I can’t keep any food down fwiw. The vomiting/gastro symptoms are most unpleasant and the fever is slowly abating. This is definitely a severe disease for me; then again I don’t eat much wild meat.
Below is link with an overview of treatments including links to some studies. Maybe you’ll find it interesting
https://swprs.org/on-the-treatment-of-covid-19/
This is definitely a severe disease for me
I am sorry to hear that.
To supplement Karl’s excellent link below:
If you are in the US, there is a map of monoclonal antibody treatment centers at https://covid.infusioncenter.org/ . Many are hospitals but some are outpatient clinics accepting cash on the barrelhead.
If you are not in the US, there are anecdotal reports of ambroxol and helping in a manner similar to bromhexine (the two are closely related).
In the latter stage some suggest that N-acetylcysteine, sold as a supplement until recently, may also have an anti-inflammatory effect. As Scott Locklin put it:
I registered for one of these. Let’s see if I can get in!
I’m in for regeneron tomorrow morning. I did not successfully get quercetin or arginine or artemisia, but I added aspirin and pedialyte to my regimen.
I had severe case of fever when I was diagnosed covid positive (antigen tested twice). 3 days of high fever followed by lack appetite and headache.
My neighbors who had covid also experienced more or less the same. As my neighbor like to say “the worst flu I ever had”, these are people who labor 7 days a week on plantation. Very tough fellas, down almost at the same time.
It came so sudden, one night they were fishing on wilderness next morning a bed-ridden.
Don’t take frequent mega-doses of vit. A or D – they are fat soluble and can be toxic. Zinc can also be toxic if you take way too much, but you should take more than one gummy. Some vit. E is a good idea, too, as an anti-oxidant, but it’s fat-soluble as well. Take a men’s multivitamin (no iron) or two every day.
Keep up with your magnesium (not oxide), calcium, and especially phosphorous when you’re drinking lots of fluids, as you should be when sick, especially if you’re not eating much.
Vitamin C can be mega-dosed, anti-oxidant, may help.
Ascorbic acid and metabolites thereof may be megadosed, and help with basically everything.
Like literally; anything from physical trauma, to inflammatory contaminants, to morbid pathogens, to even mental strain or emotive malaise (https://depressivedisorder.blogspot.com/2013/11/vitamin-c-against-depression.html); anything that acts as a stressor that the body needs to spend ‘recovery’ on, it is palliative for, as it ameliorates the bodies systems for stress recovery forthwith.
https://vladimirzelenkomd.com/treatment-protocol/
This is Zalenko protocol, all doses are prescribed. I’ve seen his interview in bitchute, very based doctor.
Container shipping rates are rising. Via Gab trends.
https://www.icis.com/explore/resources/news/2021/09/16/10685630/shipping-container-rates-continue-to-soar-despite-increased-attention
Ten fold price rise in a major spot traded service, no indication that it will ever return to “normal”
Shortages of the service continue in every step along the delivery of the service where prices are sticky.
This is the new normal.
It is time to unstick your price and wage expectations. The US dollar has ceased to be a useful measure and standard.
The time has come for a new measure and a new standard. I am not ready. No one is ready. Though everyone has predicted this, no one was expecting it now. I was not expecting it now. I have not prepared for this. For some time I have been fleeing all dollar linked assets as radioactive, but I was not expecting the US dollar to fail as a measure and standard right now.
The US dollar dies before our eyes.
There is, however, one spot traded commodity that is going down: Gold. It is clear which way this heading. El Salvador, which was on the US dollar, just switched to bitcoin on the lightning network, because they were sick of importing inflation and sick of intrusive foreign regulation of remitters and remittances.
I have plans, but my plans have been overtaken by events. It is now bitcoin over the lightning network. I am not at all happy with the implementation of the bitcoin lightning network, though Taproot is a plan to fix some of my biggest complaints, but it is what we have right now.
This doesn’t look like a monetary problem to me. More like:
(1) We outsourced all production to China to save on labor costs and avoid affirmative action.
(2) Australia said something about China causing Covid, to which China responded by cutting off imports of Australian coal and imposing revolving power outages.
(3) What factories do manage to produce between outages can’t get on a ship because China locks down whole cities, including seaports, whenever one person gets Covid.
(4) Healthy American workers don’t want the vax and won’t come back until the vax mandates end. This is the only factor the US government has any control over.
Every supply-chain innovation in the last fifty years has been about increasing efficiency at the expense of redundancy. It’s great that you’re going to invent a new currency, but that won’t cause American factories and their long-gone workers to magically reappear.
True, IMO problem today is still fundamentally dysfunctional society.
We over-relay on china now we are paying the price dearly when China decided to go apeshit crazy. We were expecting china to go easy on covid measure because they have the “I am superpower” card, but no, CCP went ballistic more than anyone else. WTF !?!?
Factories were already disappearing in china but it won’t happen this or next year. Because factories don’t just move overnight.
Same with vax mandates, I don’t think it will go away soon enough. FYI my company failed implementing vax mandate but that’s because 90% of workers are low educated anti-vaxxer.
They started magically reappearing when Trump was president. If we get a sane monetary and corporate order, they will re-appear wherever they can take advantage of it without being shot.
Do you have significant stats or evidence of this? Was it just those few ones we heard about in the news hear or there or was it really widespread to a significant degree? It seems like it was a mild to moderate increase at best, but am open to seeing other evidence.
Until Trump was elected, there was a massive flow of working age males from flyover country to the bicoastall areas looking for jobs.
Shortly after Trump was elected, the massive flow massively reversed, because of jobs created in flyover country. You can easily find statistics for interstate movement of people. I don’t have statistics for what the jobs are, but the ones that make the news are factories and resource extraction, such as fracking, and coal mines being re-opened, or coal mines scheduled for shutdown having the schedule set aside.
What makes the news is not necessarily representative, but in this case, what other kinds of jobs are likely to magically appear in flyover country when a president is elected committed to rolling back regulation?
Whatever it is, it is a massive increase in jobs, and a radical change in the nature of those jobs appearing.
I worked in a semiconductor facility that produced physical things. And from time to time I would say “Why don’t we do X? It would make life a whole lot easier.” And the answer was always that if we did X, an army of EPA bureaucrats dressed in moonsuits and backed by thugs with guns would descend on us.
The reason the factories and the jobs are gone is that the US government shut them down at gunpoint, and refused to let people recreate those jobs at gunpoint. Point the guns at external enemies, rather than an ever growing list of internal enemies, the jobs will reappear.
See also my comment on spaceX. I speak from personal experience. I speak from having to pay money to those “””consultants”””. I know what I speak of. I know what happened to those jobs. I saw it in front of my eyes.
Do you still suggest holding ADA or is it bitcoin or bust now?
I am still long on ADA – which plans to join the lightning network – but right now, that is probably not a good idea. I am going to sleep on in for a while.
I have been caught flat footed by events, and am trying to figure things out. I was expecting all this, but I had thought not for some time to come, not till we had more stuff in readiness for it.
What’s this going to look like? I’m not prepped for it. I’m debating getting my extended family into crypto as hedge and telling them to buy stuff they need now on credit.
Like every other inflationary shock for the past few thousand years – Athens had an inflationary shock during the Peloponnesian war.
Inflationary shocks come and go – but rather often one inflationary shock is apt to be followed by another, and another, and another, followed by everyone using some other money, or everyone losing their property and using some other currency.
This inflationary shock will not end the US dollar, but its death has begun sooner than I expected.
The shock will be over soon enough and everyone will say, “Hey, normality has returned. It is totally normal to pay fifty dollars for a Big Mac.”
But they will likely have another shock coming.
Buy as much storable consumables as you can store. It is hording time.
I have long been unhappy about the Bitcoin lightning network, but right now it is the probably the way to go, warts and all. I am doing further research on the matter before I do anything.
They are promising to do something about some of the things that make me unhappy, and have actually done things about some of the other things that made me unhappy.
I need to build from source code and take a deeper look at things before I go that path with any substantial amount of money. I don’t think I will move anything substantial onto the lightning network until certain promised fixes come through, and I am going to take a look at those fixes, but if it turns out that all goes well, then when I finally move onto the lightning network, it will be later than I should have moved.
Could you discuss your issues with the LN in more detail? How would an attacker censor my payments / steal from me / dox me?
Would you suggest pulling money out of index funds and into Bitcoin? I was counting on the US dollar holding for at least another year so I could collect my dividends, but if we are expecting a ten fold inflationary shock then cryptocurrency seems like a necessity.
It is what I have been doing. In moderation. One should never bet the house. Maybe the government will successfully ban crypto currency once it becomes a big enough threat, though I doubt it. China’s crackdown seems, so far, more successful than I expected, though I conjecture a whole lot of people are now industriously hammering out the necessary tools to beat it.
And a ten fold inflationary shock, though a real possibility, was not really intended as a prediction, but rather to ridicule normality bias. I expect the shock to be disturbingly large, but probably not ten fold. MY intended point was that people are apt to continue to believe in normality in the face of contrary evidence. I don’t think the Big Mac will go to fifty dollars in this shock, though it could. I do think that if it did, and then shortages ended and prices stabilized, people would start expecting them to remain stable forever.
What is the status of Ripple (XRP)?
Last I heard, dead, but since you ask, I looked it up, and to my surprise it lives, as a closed source blockchain with a small and closed set of peers maintaining the consensus.
Is this a legitimate descendant of the old ripple, or did some evil parties steal the name and reputation of a corpse? I don’t know.
By the plan to save the Great Mother, shipping declines to zero after 2030, and airports close, and other evil patriarchic things like construction or basic travel also stop.
https://imgpile.com/images/U74lvh.png
It is right now not easy to disentangle which elements of any current situation are “natural marker/social reactions”, and which are “step 35b” of some megalomaniac agenda.
I will say this. When globohomo tries to hide a specific cause to an effect that manifests in all sorts of ways, globohomo tries to provide a fake explanation for every manifestation, pretending they are all different events produced randomly by different causes, and not different faces of the same event produced by the same cause.
You have shortages in the UK–oh that’s just because of A
You have shortages in Europe–oh that’s just because of B
You have shortages in North America–oh that’s just because of C
You have shortages in Eurasia–oh that’s just because of D
And in every place every shortage is additionally presented as a separate manifestation with separate causation. Gas shortage? Because of A1. Meat shortage? Because of A2. Energy shortage? Because of A3. Staffing shortage? Because of A4. And so on.
Sometimes there are historical periods in which indeed a hundred events have a hundred different causes, but believe less and less we are in such a historical period. Rather it increasingly seems to me that we are in a period in which a dozen overlapping agendas have kicked in for real.
https://scote3.files.wordpress.com/2020/06/absolute-zero-digital-280120-v2-uk-fires-report.pdf
Hey Jim, you or any of your readers have any insight into what basis people who evaluate religious exemption claims do so using?
Do they have a target for how many they are allowed to allow?
Do they have a scoring rubric like an old AP English Essay test? (I find that one really unlikely).
Is it just totally subjective?
Does the claimant’s manager have input? As in, if Joe is a very valuable employee, is his claim way more likely to be accepted?
Anyone have direct experience on this? Particularly if they’ve been on the deciding yes or no side.
Quasi-state actors often have internal rules requiring them to issue religious exemptions that are coherently argued. Sometimes there’s a constitutional basis. Whether the rules are followed is a different matter.
Coherently argued just means adequately cribbed or coached. I suspect there’s more to it than that, probably some hardcore pressure if you grant too many.
In that case, what probably happens is that if the number of requests is above the accepted threshold, then all the requests get denied.
Would be nice if anyone here had any decent intelligence on what those numbers are expected to be. Or what kind of sanctions a business could expect to get if it just accepted every exemption form that was properly filled out without question.
Tons of businesses right now have massive labor shortages. Fedex in Portland as I understand it is less than 2/3 of their required labor force, forcing them to do a lot of rerouting around that hub. Most hospitals are short pretty seriously tooo.
If a hospital decided to accept any/all exemptions, it’d be able to staff fully with no trouble, basically taking most of the refusers from everyone else. I’m presuming the regime has thought of that and has some sanctions ready, but maybe I’m presuming too much?
Thresholds are going to be higher the less medical the employer is in character. I doubt any e.g. nurses are getting given a religious exemption.
If you work in a normal job I wouldn’t worry about it until after a rejection has been received – I doubt there are many people with the foresight and gall to seek an exemption.
The insight that inflation causes shortages in items with sticky prices is obvious in hindsight, but I had never considered it. I’ve been noticing these strange and inexplicable shortages in my field for a while, but never realized why beyond general societal dysfunction.
It seems almost fraudulent now for any economist to discuss “sticky wages” without also considering this as an obvious dual.
It seems like God put spirit of madness into mankind. 2020 was somewhat normal minus the lockdown, 2021 was off-the-chart madness.
It feels like yesterday where my national oil company complained oil was too cheap so they shutdown refineries or my scrap iron buyer complained iron is too cheap.
I was expecting inflation storm when governments are printing money like mad, never knew it will come this early and this significant though.
I would not be surprised next year if some shit hit the fan like china declaring war, dollar collapse, US civil war, or vaxxine apocalypse in next flu season. Madness everywhere right now.
Standard holiness spiral. The demons come out for a walk. Infinite leftism in finite time is not far off.
If not for the fact that it takes a while to build pyramids, I would not be hugely surprised to see them dragging the unvaccinated to the top of a pyramid surrounded by a cheering congregation, ripping the hearts out of the unvaccinated, and rolling the bodies down the pyramid steps to be eaten by the congregation. May well be coming soon, but if it happens, the ritual will be in a rock show venue with a rock event format instead of atop a pyramid, and the venue will be decorated with the symbols of holy official science, instead of demonic distortions of natural creatures and natural things. The priests will be wearing lab coats and stethoscopes.
I know it sound crazy, but I view holiness spiral as safety mechanism to prevent society advancing too much. Why?, biblically inclined answer would be that God learned from Tower of Babel.
When US won cold war, US seemed unstoppable. People were imagining US will conquer space and whatnot. Then leftism happened, feminism happened, afgan and vietnam happened. Now it’s not much of a stretch to say US has fallen.
Same story with europe and australia. My work mates who studied there always imagined EU and australia will become utopia. Then leftism and mass immigration happened. And look where they are right now.
If middle east get their shit together and not kill each other for once, life there will be perfect. Same thing with africans.
It’s seems like as soon as life gets comfortable, some holiness spiral need to happen to get society where they started.
Biblically inclined answer would be that our elites listened to the voice of the serpent, “Ye shall be as gods”. They decided they are gods, able to create corona-chan with EcoHealth Alliance funding; and then destroy it with masks and mRNA vaccines. On this hear 17thcenturyshyteposter:
Reminds me of the idea of the “great filter” which seeks to explain why there are no visible alien civilizations, there is some kind of thing that ends them all before they reach the space age.
Considering how that is an idea peddled by futurists and adjacent groups, it would be pretty funny to say that leftism is the great filter.
Though not for inexistent alien civilizations, rather, human ones.
In case leftism not working anymore there were always “practically inconceivable” natural disaster happened.
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/04/08/famous-embracing-pair-at-pompeii-could-have-been-gay-lovers/
Vice News just ran a hit piece on Doug Wilson: https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7ezwx/inside-the-church-that-preaches-wives-need-to-be-led-with-a-firm-hand
In the eyes of Vice, Doug Wilson’s church promotes evil patriarchy, insisting that wives submit to husbands which naturally leads to male teachers groping high school girls.
This reminds me of Dalrock’s criticism of Doug Wilson. I’ll quote at length:
“Here are some other examples where you may disagree with me and agree with Wilson:
You think it was right for Wilson to criticize men who listened to their pastor when their pastor told them they needed to keep mama happy, and you don’t think it was right for me to point out that Pastor Wilson teaches in his book Reforming Marriage that the way to tell if a husband obeys God is if mama is happy.
You don’t think it was inflammatory when Pastor Wilson titled his post “And Now A Brief Word to the Wife Beatersâ€, nor do you think it was inflammatory when he compared unhappy wives with abused slaves. But you think it was unfair when I quoted Wilson’s inflammatory comments on American slavery.
You agree with Wilson in his book How to Exasperate Your Wife that “The wife is to be the ruler or despot of the home.â€
You agree with Wilson that in 1 Cor 7:10 when the Apostle Paul wrote “A wife must not separate from her husband†that this was merely friendly advice, and not pastoral instruction. Specifically, you agree with Wilson when he wrote: That is his apostolic counsel, but it is clear from the context that it is merely advice. If she sees that his generally good advice is not pertinent to her situation, she is left free to leave without being hassled about it by the apostle. So if he would leave you alone in this decision, then so should the elders of your church.
You agree with Wilson that when women sin sexually, it is because a man has somehow failed them causing them to crave security.
You agree with Wilson that if a Christian husband is not obeying the word, Christian wives need to follow the example not of Sarah, but Abigail, and “need to learn how to bring things to a head“.
You agree with Pastor Wilson when he writes regarding a wife denying sex to her husband: The most common way this happens in marriage is that a man does not treat his wife right, they start to quarrel and drift apart, and this naturally includes their sex life…””
It seems Wilson teaches “patriarchy” such that, from the outside, it should look as though the husband is supreme ruler but, in secret, he should beta grovel before his wife.
Back to the Vice article:
“…and “she said the same thing was going on in her marriage.†Marital rape, it seemed, was normal. So, Jean didn’t report it. Jean’s husband raped her over and again a couple of times a week for about a decade…”
Assuming this isn’t Haven Monahan level fantasy, what’s going on with Doug Wilson? It seems he’s running a cucked feminist patriarchy where the man has all the responsibility but none of the power yet his followers don’t treat domestic situations with the shrill hysteria of the cat lady. “Believe women!”
How to interpret this nest of contradictions?
Purple pills, purples pills everywhere
A resource:
https://spankingyourwife.wordpress.com/blog-2/
The easiest summary of the red pill is a willingness to hit a woman (with open hand ofcourse).
>wordpress
Be sure to make your backups now before the inevitably poofing.
httrack is your friend.
The internet never forgets
Incredibly based.
I find it hilarious that the comments are mostly from women confessing to the satisfaction of having husbands that discipline them. Incredibly based.
The emasculated faggots paranoid and scared of “the law” could learn a thing or two from you. Incredibly based.
Wait, can we talk about this a little more?
https://spankingyourwife.wordpress.com/2021/04/23/what-can-a-man-do/
Wilson(‘s church) cloaks himself in clouds of squid ink to try and pass in blue-pilled society; which are exactly the sort of people the state preachers in their media pulpits will feel comfortable ‘exposing’; coverage of someone peddling high octane unleaded red-pill would not pass through their pages.
It also happens to still be more manly sounding in comparison to fully complete blue-pill cuckoldery of the ordinary churchian/less of a cavalcade of demoralization and pathologization of men, so laymen of the church will still likely feel more socially emboldened.
Dalrock did a fair amount of lying about Wilson.
I didn’t pick up on this for a while – not until after one of Dalrock’s pieces on Wilson when I decided to go read the source for teh lulz. What I found was that what Wilson was saying in plain English was essentially the opposite of what Dalrock was characterizing him as saying.
I saw several more cases of Dalrock doing that subsequently, about Wilson and on other topics, and stopped trusting him. There were a few occasions when people in Dalrock’s comment threads would raise the issue – “hey, this doesn’t say what you claim it said” – but Dalrock never responded to those and the rest of the commentariat seemed to take no notice. I don’t know how often Dalrock did such things, and certainly Dalrock did have a lot of very insightful things to say about women and the church for a while, and I don’t know what led him into starting to shade the truth. I just know that I saw enough concrete examples of this – Dalrock criticizes somebody for saying X, I go and read the source material and find they are saying not-X – that I’d have to check every single source piece every time before being confident that any given Dalrock criticism was accurate and in good faith. I decided I had neither the time nor the interest to put that much effort into verifying “some guy on the internet”.
It’s fairly likely Wilson is a bit of a squish and trying to avoid hard truths. It’s entirely possible in the case of your quotes, Dalrock was telling the truth. But I can guarantee you there were cases when he didn’t.
Give me an example with links.
Because one is immersed in lies, sometimes one hears a purple piller dancing around the truth, and is impressed by his truthfulness, when he is not in fact truthful, merely dancing near it.
I suspect my take on Wilson would be similar to Dalrock’s and different from your own, for many times someone has perceived some evil lying scumbag who is totally a tool of our enemies as speaking the truth, and I check him out, and find he is dancing close to the truth, in order to feed his listeners lies instead of truth.
Show me Dalrock lying about Wilson.
Sometimes our enemies dance near the truth in order to get us to swallow a payload of lies.
Whatever happened to the WASPS? Do they even exist anymore?
The “old stock badwhites” who have to take the fall when the times comes, are already old fart Irish and Italian (Cuomo, Biden, Fauci etc).
The only Germanic of note, with a Slavic fetish, to pop up recently, was Trump.
Perhaps one should imagine the initial demographic changes to the white composition–WASPs, followed by Germanics, followed by Celts, Italians, and Jews, followed by Latinos, followed by Slavs, Arabs, Albanians, Hindus, and put it in reverse.
The “soft genocide” system has already mostly burned through the WASP and Germanic layers, has almost done burning through the Italian and Irish layers, and is starting to burn through the Hispanic layer of badwhites. As it goes deeper into burning through Hispanics, lighter skinned Turks, Pakistanis, and Algerians will also turn out to be colonialist racists with plantation-owning ancestors.
Unless a super granular demographic analysis is performed, we can only speculate where and to what extent are there dormant pools of WASPs and Germanics left, doing their thing under the radar, and what shrinking percentage of the population do their represent.
They seem, by and large, to still be hanging out up in New England, preaching their same brand of constantly updated and ever more self-destructive universalism from their lily-white liberal enclaves, agitating for another Civil War because they have no actual idea what it’s like not to live in Vermont, Massachusetts, or Maine, where homogeneity is not the rule.
I have speculated about the difference between WASP ethnicity and WASP regional power. Not that long ago, Boston and Harvard had an outsized influence on public life. Who the hell ever hears from New England anymore, though, except for their grumpy old Vermont Jew and his Okie Pocahontas lackey? Everything is concentrated in mongrel immigrant cities now: New York, DC, SF, LA. There must be some sheer regional discontent about this, but I don’t know.
Everyone all the time non stop, every news story, every television show.
Around the world we see a multitude of nations governed by people of that nation’s race, and theoretically of that nation’s nationality, who just happened to have spent most of their formative years, and much of their adult lives, in New England within a remarkably short distance of Harvard, and frequently went directly from the vicinity of Harvard, to the vicinity of the presidential palace in the target nation.
New England is not white anglo saxon protestant – that being a deliberately over inclusive term. New England hates White Anglo Epicopalians, wants to eradicate them all, and has done so, white Anglo Episcopalians being the first victims of the faith of Harvard, and their first great race replacement project.
The term was was coined by New Englanders seeking to eradicate Episcopalians, while saying “Hail fellow Wasp, we are guilty of no end of crimes”, much like Judeo Christians saying “Hail fellow Christian” and Jews saying “Hail fellow white male”. Remarkable how the noisiest Judeo Christians seem to be culturaly and racially Jewish and explain that Christ, rightly understood, preached a Christianity that sounds remarkably Judaic, treating the four hundred years of dominant Greek and Roman culture that in which Christ was immersed, Saint Paul even more thoroughly immersed, and the Church fathers were completely a product of, as a vile impurity.
Post temple Judaism was a reconstruction of pre Greek Judaism, as fake as modern paganism, and to this day they reject Greco-Roman civilization, while Christianity was a synthesis, most strongly expressed in the Gospel of John, which identifies the Jewish Messiah as the Greek Logos made flesh.
This is why I come here. Thank you. I was thinking lazily.
I wonder, with your focus on the late 17th century, if you have thought about the Massachusetts Bay–Plymouth Plantation, i.e. Puritan–Pilgrim, i.e. Reform vs. Separation dynamic in the early colonies. Because of their merger into a unified Massachusetts in the 1690s, it is often forgotten that they had very different views of their ecclesial projects and their relationship to the Crown. Their theologies might be hard to discern today but, as readers of this blog, we know that the question of the King is more central to religion than most like, or know, to think. My understanding is that the Mass. Bay Colony conceived of itself as a reestablishment of a purified Church of England (hence New England) in the New World, while the Plymouth colonists were separatists who intended to found their own nation. Is this a still-existent thread of conflict within the Cathedral? Or were they simply two variations of the same holiness spiral?
Harvard was of course a Puritan, Massachusetts Bay project. But Massachusetts Bay readily expelled crazy women heretics like Anne Hutchinson and convicted leftists like Roger Williams, which cannot be said of all the colonies, and speaks to their credit, at least at first. And by all accounts their family structures and public morals were more traditional and patriarchal than in England at the time. Did things begin to spiral that early? I have often casually (and again, maybe lazily) thought that the Holiness Macro-Spiral in the United States really kicked into gear in the 1850s, when Emerson and his ilk defected from the Eucharist and Trinity, or when Hawthorne began moodily dragging his family’s and nation’s reputation through the mud as Wicked Sour Witch-Burning Puritans rather than pious patriarchs who crossed half a world to flee European decadence. Or maybe this is all directly related to the Cromwell phenomenon.
Way too vast and diffuse of a question, I know, but I do wonder if there were Massachusetts-, i.e. Harvard-specific moments when this could have been prevented or when it began.
Things go bad when you get struggles for power by religious factions within the ruling religion. The religion gets reforged into a political weapon, a weapon with which to defect upon your fellow priests of your own religion. The Puritans in England went downhill fast. The Puritans who had fled England earlier had nothing very wrong with them and their belief system was quite stable. Then they got an infusion of the people that King Charles purged, and I conjecture that between the time their settlement began to prosper and the restoration they got the people Cromwell purged. Those guys had something very wrong with them.
Very few normal people would think of Massachusetts as the center of the world, even among redpilled people.
It reminds me of the Second Foundation in the Foundation series, which was hidden in plain sight in the center of the galaxy, and exerted its influence on the decaying empire in a deceitful way.
Asimov’s own philosophy was probably not so far from Harvard’s
I’m from there, some of the people there certainly think they are the center of the world I would not say most of them… also Plymouth and Cape Cod the places settled by the Independent pilgrims (Cromwell’s sect) rather than the control freak Presbyterians are okay the whole “vibe” is different.
Still it was okay to be an open shitlord in most of the state until late 2015 or so… than the demon worshipping got really zealous (and I acquired a fanatical hatred of these people… because I saw a lot of people who should know better, who used to know better, become NPCs before my eyes).
I think you live in India, which would explain your ignorance of American ethnography (though not your confidence in your interpretation).
WASP stands for Wealthy Anglo-Saxon Protestant. There was never a wave of “WASP” immigration to the United States because there was never a wave of wealthy immigration to the United States. The idea of a WASP decline is largely a fiction; Jews promote the idea because it is very useful for them as an ethnic cohort. Ron Unz will tell you how. The WASP class, which has remained roughly constant in number while the population of the US has grown, remains in many influential positions. I don’t think anybody is asking Bill DeBlasio or Hillary Clinton to “take the fall” as “‘old stock badwhites'” (both of these figures are WASPs, off the cuff. You should really have known that before commenting). These people are far from dormant; they are liberals.
As far as German-Americans go, every white person in the United States without an obviously ethnic name is a German. There are a lot of them in positions of power. No “super granular analysis” is needed. All that is necessary is to have the slightest familiarity with the United States outside of blog.jim and mainstream news items about DC and New York.
Indian commenters are a plague on Jim’s blog.
P.S. Your attempt to surreptitiously identify “Hindus” as the most recent wave of white immigration to the States would be funny if it weren’t so sad.
The W in WASP refers to White, not Wealthy. Looks like a man named Andrew Hacker introduced the “Wealthy” part in the 50s – and need we even guess what his background was?
Also, I think plenty of Scots-Irish have less obviously identifiable names. And these are the people who now identify as “American” in the census, which I admire.
I find the Hindus fine. They are immediately identifiable as such, and subscribe to one of the few remaining unabashedly ethnic religions left in the world. But they are so hilariously not white as to make his sly inclusion in his list not even worthy of comment. I mean, Arabs and Afghanis and Chinese and even Amazonian Heart Eaters are whiter than virtually all Indians except a few leftover Indo-European aryan brahmins far up in the north.
Why would anyone specify that an Anglo-Saxon is white?
Re: Chrysostom below, I already passed the shill test as orangecat and Unz is correct on the specific issue I cited. There is no reasonable interpretation of what I wrote as a “blanket recommendation”.
I do have egg on my face for assuming Varna is indian, but in my defense Varna is a Sanskrit word of some ritual significance.
Also, the population of scots-irish Americans is extremely small. People use the term to describe those living in a scots-irish related folkway due to Albion’s Seed, which belies the actual demographic presence of this ethnic group. Back in Europe, scots-irish were usually a large minority in a small and non-verdant region. Even if their entire population had relocated they would still not be well-represented in the states.
Most people you meet and think of as scots-irish are probably ethnic Irish. This is another fact of American demographics, though it sure can be fun to pretend you are a border reaver.
More to Chris:
By definition mestizos are not white. Most Albanians I have met living in the states pass all reasonable tests (I have never met an Albanian Muslim living here). Some Arabs pass the tests as well (pale skin tone, Christianity, and participation in regular society qualify these people as at least as white as Italians in my estimation. Many had families that arrived in the late 19th).
However, nowhere in my original post did I say anything about how the rest of Varna’s list is accurate. In fact, I accused Varna of speaking confidently on a topic of which he was ignorant. In the future I would appreciate if you responded to my actual post rather than what you imagine I post.
You would be hard pressed to find any phenotypical difference between Albanians of different religious persuasions. That being said, how’s Boston these days?
I’d imagine Boston is as cold and Irish as it ever was. I’ve never been there. I’m not Mike from Boston (another pink avatar). The Albianians paren is just an oddity.
Hazarded a guess there
I also thought he might be Indian from the name, but it becomes immediately obvious where he’s posting from if you took the time to read the posts in even a single article, rather than just popping in to broadcast static whenever your handler gives you an assignment here.
Are arabs, albanians, and mestizos white too? It was obviously a list of declension from ‘more europoid’ to ‘less europoid’. Incidentally, Varna is someone living in or has lived in eastern europe.
Ron Unz is purple pill, and only someone intending to muddy the waters would give a blanket recommendation with him; which you do seem to intend.
Brushing up on my Russian over the last couple of years brought frankly unexpected benefits.
Firstly, I now have access to twice the info on many issues, frequently through a different but convincing viewpoint.
Secondly, I now have access to six gorillion more cultural and pop-cultural products, since the Russians constantly translate stuff from all European languages and many Asian ones, like 90% more than what gets translated into English.
French, Polish, Hungarian, Serbian, Norwegian, Italian, Finnish, Chinese, Korean etc. Once the knowledge of Russian goes beyond a certain point, it becomes a portal to a very high-definition additional map of reality, and also serves almost as the equivalent to learning a hundred “minor” and “exotic” languages, because of their robust translation industry.
Through the Russian language, if applied in certain ways, you get access to continental Europe, culture and info-wise, but also to China, Mongolia, North Korea, Iran, etc. As if gradually the missing half of the world starts coming into focus.
You also start seeing how a lot of the “bad” of contemporary Russia and EE is mostly globohomo propaganda, but on the hand you discover layers of actual bullshit over there, which otherwise only the locals know of.
If you know Russian, and, I assume, Bulgarian (Varna), look into Old Church Slavonic/Old Bulgarian. It will help you to learn Latin, Greek,and Sanskrit.
Thanks for the tip!
My next language is probably going to be either an East Asian one or a Turkic one, but I’m putting that on hold for at least a year, maybe two. Other things demanding my focus.
I’m inside a rapidly closing window of free time, which will expire within a month or earlier, and after that I’ll have to give my full attention to all sorts of other stuff.
Until then I’ll just chill and be a guest in Jim’s place from time to time, to enjoy the hospitality and smart company. After the free time is over I’m out as well, at least until the next chill period.
Boy or girl?
Try Hungarian.Same culture as Slavic Europe, but the grammar resembles the non-Slavic language s of fomer USSR.
Congratulations. Be wary of the advice of the spouseless and childless. Everyone has something to say, and very few have anything to give.
Thanks to everyone:)
Varna
Just something I learned about being a new father; make no plans for the first few months. You won’t sleep well and there are always complications, so just stay loose and think thrice, speak once. Mom is going to overthink everything, and that’s fine. She’ll need a rock to stand on, not a partner or friend. She very likely will speak and act as if she wants advice, or is looking for input, but in reality she’s just thinking out loud. Give commands, set boundaries, but I encourage you to resist the temptation to advise. Evolution has given her everything she needs to be Mom. If you can, shield her from progressive pozz bullshit. After baby has started to be less of a blob and starts to teeth and wiggle, make sure you allot time for yourself and your pursuits. Definitely be available and be helpful, but don’t get sucked into mothering. That’s her job. It’s your job to be the man; protector, provider, and leader.
Don’t take my word for it. This is just the advice I would give myself if I went back in time. Enjoy it, brother. Society is completely wrong; dadding fucking rocks.
It is true ‘Varna’ is the Sanskrit word for colour or caste and I thought he may be Hindu as well until I saw him commenting in great detail on Russia and sharing Cyrillic screeds.
I comment under this name not quite because I am a chauvinist about Aryan India (such as it is or was…), but because it is what I am and it would feel a little fraudulent to engage in debate in a forum where these things are relevant without at least suggesting who or what I am. And because India recurs as a topic (maybe too much, maybe too off topic) I am inclined to share my thoughts, but there is no secret racial element or animus to my thinking, and if we were exchanging commentary on current events you could hardly tell what I am.
Because it’s what I was born into, because it’s what I somehow feel compelled to believe, will probably always be Hindu. Yet,
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
And in that regard, maybe because English is my language, maybe because America is my home, I am drawn to the image, words, and sacraments of the Anglican tradition, in somewhat the same way I have been drawn to the spirit and aesthetic of Tolkien’s warriors and kings since I was a kid.
I suppose it is a dual loyalty, but not really a conflicting one. It is odd: the false altruism of liberals for far over near is rightly chastised. And yet I find myself invested in the victory of a people I am not at all around (for I am in a city) and to whom I am, or at least ought to be, an outsider.
Unexpected names pop up all over:)
https://infogalactic.com/info/Moksha_language
https://wikimili.com/en/Moksha_River
Can someone explain why US – China trade war is still a thing?
When Biden got elected, I assume because he is known sellout to CCP the trade war will quickly subsided. But not only the tension not easing but it keeps rising past few months.
I ‘m not wrong, I’m completely wrong.
It seems like CCP is backed in every corner past few months.
Belt and Road initiative -> close to failing
Evergrande -> failing (likely no bailout from CCP)
manufacturing industry -> most likely fail next few year
trust from PLA -> big indicator this is also failing
Semiconductor industry -> already failing
Personally I couldn’t care less about Xi and his cronies. But we all know what someone will do once they are backed into corner. It’s not gonna be pretty and I live not so far away from them.
The failure of Evergrande seems entirely wise, intended, and appropriate. Xi intends to deflate the property bubble.
Semiconductors are not failing, but they are certainly lagging. However I am increasingly seeing people sourcing high end arm chips from China. China is already in a position to build decent desktops that are Chinese from end to end, though their current Chinese from end to end desktops are crap, and overpriced to boot because everyone in the state and quasi state apparatus is forced to buy them rather than more useful desktops. But it is obvious that fully capable fully Chinese desktop computers are coming soon. Though fully Chinese fully capable desktops will take a while to become reasonably priced.
China has forked ARM.
China licensed from ARM, then formed a joint venture with ARM, then hijacked the joint venture, once it felt it no longer needed to keep buying the latest ARM intellectual property. Licensing was a fully subordinate relationship, the joint venture was cooperation between unequal parties, and now ARM China is a fully independent and competing technology, based on the old ARM technology, but advancing it separately, independently, and in its own direction. China accepted a fully subordinate relationship to get connected, and then defected on subordination when strong enough.
Belt and Road Initiative is doing fine. Noise to the contrary is globohomo propaganda. But nations that buy into the belt and road are discovering that China is apt to flex its muscles.
The PLA is not doing fine. Xi is trying to renew zeal by heading left and restoring socialism, but like Stalin, he will discover that leftism is dead and he is trying to animate a zombie state religion. Once you stop knocking over new applecarts, leftism dies.
Xi has to do a new state religion, and if he fails to do so, a new state religion will eventually arise through crisis and collapse.
Manufacturing industry is in big trouble due to holiness spiraling on Covid and Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming, which indicates lack of intellectual sovereignty, which is what happens when you have a zombie state religion.
What are the likely contenders for a new state ideology in China? The underground-church types are the obvious ones here, do they have enough asabiyya to pull this off? The Christians in China are getting toward a point of critical mass in terms of numbers, but if they don’t have asabiyya they can’t coordinate and hence can’t capture anything.
And is China really getting cucked by AGW? I always assumed they just cynically pretended to go along with it to sell solar panels etc and to let the west weaken itself.
And same with covid. I just assumed they continue to pretend it’s an issue for the same reason.
Something of both. Plenty of obvious cynicism, but also a worsening shortage of intellectual sovereignty. The state religion, Maoism, is hollow, empty, and dead, and so entryists come in.
“Underground churches” and “Christians in China” are two different things, which get conflated by globohomo propaganda. It takes some effort to constantly remember that almost everything is a lie or a misdirection one way or another but that’s the way the fortune cookie crumbles.
“Christians in China” are mostly recent converts, young urban protestants, and China has more protestants in the world than anyone except the USA. And not because they hide and breed in catacombs while hunted by cackling commissars. To the contrary. They are the city professional class who make good money, go to holidays, buy property, pay taxes, have kids, put them through school and so on and so forth.
But if we compare “vaguely protestant due to inherited culture” with “fervently Christian due to being a recent convert”, then China already has more authentic Christians than any other country in the world.
Authenticity aside, the sheer numbers should overtake America within years–some place 2030 as the watershed.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/China-officially-atheist-could-have-more-12633079.php
Again, it’s not some incredible war below the surface with hundreds of millions of starving believers hiding in mountain strongholds. Chinese Christians give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and everything is fine. Just like 99% of the fags give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s instead of making scenes. Which is why even as the “war for restoring masculinity” rages, the fags are not only left alone in a don’t ask don’t tell system, but they have completely legal dating apps such as Bluecity, which is trading on the NY exchange, and use completely legal sex toys of every shape, size, and function ordered from Alibaba. (Porn is illegal. Being a fisting queen is whatever. On the daily level the system right now is a paternalistic version of the Reaganist compromise)
When globohomo promotes the “plight of Christians in China” they mean not protestants, catholics, or orthodox Christians who are in a normal symbiosis with the state (again, China is just behind America in sheer number of protestants and has been for a decade), but it is rather a case of “illegal sects”. Many if not most countries in the world divide religions into “legal” and “illegal”. For example in Russia the various Watchtowers and Witnesses are illegal, but no one would claim that “Christians are oppressed in Russia”.
So when some asset uses an apartment as a meeting point to try and generate a following for a cult explicitly illegal in China, he gets a visit from the cops. Whereas if mainstream Christians do their thing no one lifts an eyebrow.
I myself though do not see contemporary evangelism making inroads into China as harmless in the long run, unless the state makes sure it’s completely separate from its globohomo handlers.
Given that the existing Chinese state religion is dying or a zombie, the alternatives are reviving Confucianism, which is a good fit for the existing regime, since it is absolutely obvious that they legitimately possess the mandate of heaven, or Christianity, which is likely to involve a collapse phase similar to the Soviet Union.
If I was in Xi’s shoes, would go Confucianism, and converge Chinese Christianity to Confucianism, and Confucianism to Chinese Christianity. If Christianity is fine with Divine Right monarchs, Mandate of Heaven should go down smoothly.
With the amount natural disaster in china and how badly CCP handled it. Xi claiming to posses divine right and smoothly transition to Confucianism would be the greatest power play in history ever.
But how could it possibly happen? I mean it is literally the Communist Party. They are so deep in it, I would expect Xi to be eliminated if he really just reversed course like that.
I don’t see how you could do it smoothly.
You don’t come out and say, “We confuscian and shieeeet muh niggas.” Confuscianism is more than just a name, it’s an entire set of beliefs and practices. So you introduce these beliefs and practices. You do it slowly, like when Coke changes its brand, so no one even notices the change. You don’t have to label them, you can keep pretending to be commie for a long while during the transition. Might be nice to exorcise the old stinking corpses of revolutionaries, but that is for well after the population adapts to the new normal.
Even Russia just imported a bunch of Taiwanese professionals with their families in tow, to try and drag Russia’s semiconductor industry into current year.
https://secretmag.ru/news/importozameshenie-po-russki-v-rossiyu-zavezli-taivanskikh-mikroelektronshikov-vmeste-s-ikh-semyami-20-09-2021.htm
One is reminded of post WWII Russia and America scrambling for German scientists, only now the scramble is centered on Taiwan, kek.
Highly doubtful that China is falling behind.
China’s having days-long power outages across most of the country, including Dongguan, its computer-manufacturing hub. This is a government failure on par with Venezuela. People in the northern provinces are going to start freezing to death if the problem isn’t fixed soon. Was Russia ever in such a sorry state?
China needs to purge all party members who believe in global warming, execute all Bitcoin miners, and burn unlimited coal until it can transition to thorium.
Sounds like Cohesion is failing in China as well. No wonder Xi is trying to resurrect Mao’s rotting corpse.
This is obviously BECAUSE Xi has been fucking with the market and trying to bring back some light form of communism.
Everyone was in such a sorry state in the late 1980s and early 1990s. All of the USSR and all of Eastern Europe. From the Baltic in the North to the Balkans and the Caucasus in the South, and from Warsaw in the West to Vladivostok in the East.
Shortages of everything, endless lines, corruption, incompetence, regular blackouts, heating problems, water problems, lack of painkillers, antibiotics, what have you. Industrial accidents all across as systemic entropy accumulated. Nightmarish peaks of industrial pollution produced by factories whose official product lines were shit no one wanted.
This is also the period which helped encourage monstrous levels of hubris in the West. They saw this all as “definitive proof” that eastern whites were defective halflings all along, while they were shining elves all along who can do no wrong.
What Venezuela, Zimbabwe, South Africa and such have is a situation which lasted between half a decade and a decade across the former Soviet empire, but which–apparently, as we see–is not inherently a short term transition and can instead stabilize in a bullshit equilibrium for years and decades on end.
The first hints of the start of this transition happened in placed like California and Texas last year with various power outages.
This winter it will roll across the European continent, England and Germany included, a lot of signs point that way. In fast it is starting already.
But while the Soviet world the painful transition period was a transition from a Brezhnevist to a quasi-Reaganist civilization (or to Asiatic autocracies in some places), in the West today the same transition is going into the reverse–from Western Democracy to Cyberpunk Brezhnevism.
I keep telling people that the lightning fast collapse of the Soviet system was half natural entropy processes and half subversion and psyops, and that for some players this was the blueprint which, in a modified version, is being applied today to the other side of the former Cold War. And thus that studying how exactly the combination of spontaneous entropy and directed subversion took down the Soviets can provide crucial insight into what is happening right now in the West.
But the feel-good myth about “us smart elves versus them defective halflings” is still very strong among a whole lot of people. To them there’s nothing to learn from the collapse of the Soviets except “hur hur communism bad”.
Perhaps at a later point some comparative analysis can be made between the processes that first took down Player 1, and then 30 years later Player 2 from the original Cold War. I’m certain that in certain spheres the similarities will turn out to be quite striking.
About the Chinks. For now the government failure is not on par with Venezuela, but only on par with California and Texas. We’ll have to wait and see which way it’ll go.
What Venezuela, Zimbabwe, South Africa and such have is a situation which lasted between half a decade and a decade across the former Soviet empire, but which–apparently, as we see–is not inherently a short term transition and can instead stabilize in a bullshit equilibrium for years and decades on end.
Zimbabwe and South Africa are reverting back to the bush, in accordance with their human capital and thus post-colonial destiny.
Venezuela is declining too, more severely than I expected, but will presumably settle on a somewhat higher level. Could be averted and reversed, at least to some extent, if their ruling class makes a come back.
Xi’s attempt to revive the zombie corpse of Maoism is resulting in Brezhnevism – and the same results are ensuing. People are freezing in the dark.
What we have here in the west is not Brezhnevism -but we are getting somewhat similar results because the deep state is Brezhnevist, while finding itself presiding over an uncontrollably and dangerously live faith.
If Xi stubbornly persists in this corpse and this course of action, the party will eventually lose power to a live faith, possibly Christianity, possibly the poz. But I think the party can survive longer than the poz can.
Very well said, Jim. Yes, a serious institutional Brezhnevist presence in a thus for non-Brezhnevist society.
@Dave:
“China’s having days-long power outages across most of the country, including Dongguan, its computer-manufacturing hub.”
I’m honestly shocked by this. How could this be?
Jim says Climate Change is making inroads due to China losing its “intellectual sovereignty” to the Live Faith of the Gaia Demon, which is an excellent concept by the way. This shocks me as well, because I (naively? cynically?) assumed that all of China was in on the Climate Change joke, rubbing their hands together like it’s a “Learned Elders of Peking” kind of thing.
But what else could it be? How many of the Chinese elite have been through and come back from Cathedral University by now?
Australian coal ships not showing up with the goods?
Sabotage?
China’s power crisis is caused by:
• Gaea worship, reflecting loss of memetic sovereignty due to a zombie state religion (the mummified corpse of Maoism).
• Sticky prices in internationally traded coal, which tends to be traded in long term US$ denominated contracts, resulting in world wide shortage of coal and world wide depletion of coal stocks in coal importing countries.
• A foolish trade war with Australia, which holds an impossibly strong upper hand due to the world wide shortage of resources traded internationally in dollar denominated long term contracts.
The longer China takes to amicably settle its trade war with Australia, the higher scalper prices and spot traded prices in resources are going to be, and the worse the deal it is going to be eventually forced to make. It is is currently delaying settling the trade war out of foolish pride, excessive arrogance, and because, due to normality bias, it expects the current spot and scalper prices to return to normal.
Pay scalper prices now. They will be worse tomorrow. The party needs to send someone of high rank to kiss the asses of Australian miners and eat humble pie.
@Jim:
“Sticky prices in internationally traded coal, which tends to be traded in long term US$ denominated contracts, resulting in world wide shortage of coal and world wide depletion of coal stocks in coal importing countries.”
OK that makes sense. Thank you.
But still, I’d assume that the Chinese coal buyers could just call up the Australians and raise their price, just to make sure the coal shows up next quarter. It sure beats running out.
Is that an obscurely horrible idea for reasons I don’t yet fathom?
More naivete from me:
I still don’t understand why the Big Boys can’t do deals in “market basket” currencies, each unit including A dollars, B yuan, C euros, D BTC, and whatever, to try to de-risk these big money long term contracts.
Surely the lawyers and HSBC people could dial this up in a heartbeat if they were allowed to.
Is this a SWIFT thing? A “don’t be like Saddam” Hellfire missile avoidance thing?
A market basket deal is exposed to regulatory hazard from every central bank in the deal.
Would have been better off to do the deals in renminbi, but the miners did not want to be exposed to regulatory risk from China, and, due to normalcy bias, had more confidence in the stability of the dollar than the stability of the yuan.
It is just hard to do business under a financial system in the pocket of untrusted and untrustworthy people.
If China is an enemy, it can only be a racial enemy, but globohomo is not a racial state. Globohomo is more hostile to Aryans than China.
Globohomo is forced to attack Aryans because of Trump, and is forced to attack China because it is rapidly becoming the most powerful country in the world, and it is dimly aware that only its Aryan population is capable of defeating other serious powers, maybe any other powers.
If China becomes more powerful than the United States, the United States will be forced to arm the auxiliaries. If the United States armed the auxiliaries, the auxiliaries will rediscover their balls, and some of them will rediscover their faith.
Fear not the Chinaman.
Ah yes, finally some explanation.
I didn’t account that US is Globohomo, and it seems like they succeed keeping china in check?
Globohomo’s accusation of aggression to China is that China exists inside its own borders and makes legal claims on territories that globohomo itself legally recognizes China as owning (Hong Kong, Taiwan).
People who talk about China by saying “CCP” over and over again know that China is not communist, and are not anti-communists. They are pro-communists who think they can activate residual Cold Warrior programming to get Red State Whites to fight for America’s globohomo government that hates them. Actual anti-communists know enough about communism to not hate China for supposedly being communist. Overuse of “CCP” is marker of a shill.
The conflict is indeed being driven by Globohomo, but Xi’s attempt to revive the disastrous faith of his youth worries me.
I am worried that they take over TSM, and TSM then fails the way NASA failed.
If ARM China succeeds, not so worried.
Also its way better than even money that he deliberately planned the covid thing in part to help the Democrats with the election…
Xi is the 21st’s centuries Woodrow Wilson… a freak who lucked into power and unleashed a worldwide scourge of leftism ruining his own country and the rest of the world. If I were king and we had an actual competent intelligence service (and not a globohomo propaganda arm) my 1st order to them would be that Xi needs to have an “accident”.
Covid was not planned, but it is still troublesome that Xi allowed Fauci to run his gain of function experiments within his country.
>Covid was not planned
And yet the Chinese faked a bunch of people dying in the streets from it for our consumption. That statement doesn’t jive.
At that time, the Democrats were saying it’s no big deal and to say so was racist.
So they could do an about face and freak everyone out and fool right wingers… which most of them… not me but most of them… fell for.
We mistook China for a bugman technocracy unconcerned with human life and only pretending to care about global warming so they could sell us solar panels and windmills. We trusted China to produce electronics for the same reason we trusted Guatemala to produce bananas. What else could they do, lie back and rely on UNICEF to feed them?
Then a disease came along that specifically targeted old people for elimination, and the old men running China totally freaked out.
There’s 2 ways to look at it: The Dems and China were trying to spread COVID far and wide as their meal ticket to rig the election and remove Trump. Or the Dems were caught by surprised by COVID and it used it to their advantage.
I think China and Dems worked up COVID and the rigging together to remove Trump. Without it all this mail in voting fraud enable would have been far too much for people to believe Biden won. But I have no evidence.
“I think China and Dems worked up COVID and the rigging together to remove Trump.”
It was never more than a bad flu and China used propaganda to portray it to the rest of the world as if not the black death at least the 1918 flu. But then in sealing off Wuhan they allowed people to fly out of it to foreign countries…
And the dems/cathedral handled the propaganda masterfully for once (at least since they’ve gotten really bad at since 2012 or so) by treating it as nothing (close to the truth) than about facing…
The Democrats aren’t smart enough to do that kind of thing on their own anymore (Democrats homegrown propaganda in the Trump area was to repeat Russia 1000x a day and other retarded narratives)… obviously the Chinese gave them the plan. Since at least it seems every West Coast democrat of importance has a Chinese spy on staff its obvious how this could have been given to the Democratic leadership.
So even if Covid was unplanned within the Cathedral or China the “pandemic” was planned by China.
I missed this part. How do we know this?
You missed the “people dropping dead in the streets” videos?
@Alf
Seriously, you missed the staged Chinese videos at the beginning of this hoax pandemic?
https://youtu.be/j9mDVZ9DnEE
The fun part is where a man supposedly falling dead on the street breaks his fall with his hands to avoid landing on his face.
Staged videos + Styx + a few bulk ammo buyers got me to take the Covvhoax pill. Seeing it first hand cured me of my fear. I can’t figure out if “logistics bro” was ordered to sew panic, fell for the panic, or had wise friends who knew the panic was manufactured, but the resulting chaos would last quite a bit longer.
The DNC + Chinese overseas intel + deep state conspiring to unseat Trump with a homebrew flu grows more believable everyday because it just keeps snowballing into an ever more destructive shitshow, just like feminism and black rights
I’m only about 60% confident that the people dropping on the street thing was “made in China”.
I remember too well when the 2014 Ukrainian events erupted, how globohomo media would constantly “prove” how the Russian army is inside the Ukraine, due to “intercepted Russian military talk” and “pictures of Russian tanks” and similar mindboggling stuff.
However, you do not only have Russian-speakers with Soviet military-tech in Russia and the Ukraine, you’ve got those everywhere from Moldova to Kazakhstan, so in theory you could go there and film all sorts of proof of this and that. Not that anyone did, but it pays to remember the scope of the Russosphere and post-Soviet boundaries.
Likewise, Chinks being Chinks does not only happen in mainland China. It happens in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, parts of Malaysia, Indonesia, the Philippines, and a million “Chinatowns” scattered across all continents including Africa.
With shaky phone cams showing narrow angles and muted sounds, you could produce these clips anywhere.
If China is an ally of globohomo and a major player of the Great Reset and actively participated in the COVID-19 thing, then yes, these phone vids were likely made in China.
If the reality is messier and China going along with the COVID-19 thing is more to do with civilizational cargo-cultism combined with East Asian neuroticism and commie incompetence, then anything is on the table, and the phone vids could very well be be psyops filmed in a Chinatown anywhere from Sudan to Vancouver.
The old leftist faction has been trotting out The Lightbringer to say that ‘we are a nation-state’ and ‘open borders are unsustainable’ recently. Billions left literally shaking at every syllable of these microgenocides.
They’re desperately trying to stuff the genie(s) back in the bottle with unprincipled exceptions so they can ride the tiger a few more years.
Genuinely curious: what is the utility of speaking in opaque riddles? No offense intended.
Pseudo-Chrysostom is not speaking in opaque riddles. Speaking plainly and straightforward.
If one of the words or phrases is giving you trouble, try looking it up on a search engine. These are not five syllable words.
Maybe you hit the wrong reply button and intended to reply to a different comment?
This is a consistent trend with St. John’s posts. He is quite possibly the smartest guy here, he is direct and clear when he wants to be, and he is also specifically verbose as the subject matter requires… 20% of the time. The other 80 is painfully cryptic. I didn’t ask as a challenge or complaint. I’m just trying to keep up.
For the longest time, I thought you (Jim) were hiding big things behind simple statements. When I stopped reading between the lines and just started reading your words, I realized that simple is not easy. The complications were on my end, because baggage and sin. P-C is a wholly different thing.
I do not believe he is being opaque or speaking in riddles. If he is, it is a self-authorizing language the perfect form of cryptography. The only people for whom the message is meant are those that can understand it, and vice versa. I can understand it, and most others here can understand it, so it is a message we are meant to read. That is, of course, if he is actually being cryptic. He could just be using a base of understanding with which we are familiar and you are not. Using language that we have grown accustomed to but that is new to you.
Pseudo-Chrysostom is pretty smart and generally assumes that everyone can see what he views as obvious connections just as quickly as he can. I get much the same way on software related matters at my job much to the annoyance of the less intelligent people I work with. I simply can’t perceive that most people can’t see what I find obvious, leading to disconnects in communication.
In this case, Obama was brought out to try and slow or stop the invasion from over the boarder because it’s causing collapse in the system. Leftists are trigged by this(Great term Microgenocides). Obama’s faction is trying to rebuild the unprincipled exception on immigration so they can spend more time looting, but it’s impossible to do so.
He is one of our great commenters; do not change.
“The Lightbringer” = Obama
“literally shaking” = phrase used by leftists / females to describe a reaction of shock at some event
“stuff the genie(s) back in the bottle” = the genie grants wishes, phrase used indicates a desire to undo what was wished for
“unprincipled exceptions” exception made against one’s principles, or lacking reference to said principles
Basically pc is saying that old guard leftists have been trotting out Obama to say open borders are unsustainable, and sjws are seething over it bc they want globohomo.
not that complicated really. i gather that you don’t read a lot, probably aren’t a priestly type?
He’s running damage control, but they have no intent of stopping.
They have no way of stopping; so they will instead flatter themselves to say it was their idea all along.
The sense I’m getting is that the West is stabbing itself to death so quickly now that maybe it’ll take the Covid Demon, Gaia Demon and Antiracism Demon down right along with it. Like those people who couldn’t swim out fast enough from the Titanic to keep from getting pulled under when it sank.
It’s like China, Russia and Cathedral are playing poker, and Cathedral went to the bathroom 30 minutes ago, and China and Russia are realizing that he’s just not coming back, is he?
As if our military will even start when you turn the key in 20 years, I mean come on who believes that.
Anyway my one question. Is there any reason why burn-it-down super-inflation is actually a problem for the rulers in DC? Why is that bad for them at all?
The super-rich are grabbing up farms and Bitcoin, so why should they give a shit? It’s just Bobby the Ford dealer in Cleveland who gets trashed, and he’s Enemy anyway. I just don’t see why they don’t start handing out million dollar bills to everyone who fails the paper bag test tomorrow.
Certain factions of globohomo are pushing through a “controlled landing” of the Western economies, with the planned end result being a porno cyberpunk version of Brezhnev’s USSR in terms of quality of life, censorship, and basic liberties.
In the name of the Great Mother of course.
Russia and China have not become peripheral globohomo vassals as planned, but there is obviously an amount of playing along they are obliged to do if they don’t want full-scale hybrid war to erupt along their many faultlines.
Thus Russia is applying their sovereign clotshot to their population increasingly agressively, while China is sabotaging its own economic growth. If globohomo demands sacrifice in terms of people and/or “carbon emissions”, Russia is appeasing the beast through the former via clot-shots, while China is appeasing the beast with the latter, via flatlining its industrial production and construction markets as well was walloping hard its mega corporations.
Russia’s growth got stopped after 2014, and Japan for example stopped in the late 1999s and is already a country of incels and old farts so nobody cares about Japan.
None of the big players can be completely independent of the others, and the Cathedral still has a lot of clout, as it has not yet burned through all the goodies inherited from the previous civilization.
Possibly the global compromise is now along the lines of “Fine, you’re not part of our system, for now at least. But we are going for broke, so if you don’t want shit to erupt for real–play along. Or else.”
And playing along means stopping growth and/or doing the clot-shot. China is no doubt trying to use the crisis as an opportunity, and find the best way to “stop its growth” for a year or two in ways which in the long term will actually make it stronger.
Concerning Russia it’s more difficult to judge, as it has just only begun tentatively to climb out of the swamp of corruption and incompetence into which the West is plummeting, so in many respects they are meeting each other half-way and are on the same level.
Hyperinflation is bad for national elites in societies in which the citizens can bring them down. If a pharma-fascist cyber-gulag is in place just before the collapse, then the citizens cannot bring the elites down even if hyperinflation hits.
International elites don’t care anyway, if they have their own little safe havens.
But, as mentioned often, the current hostile elites are trying to run a system too corrupt and stupid to actually get all the parts of the plan to click together smoothly. Instead they are forced to constantly crudely hammer different parts into place. There is hope.
The question is if they fail again, and again regroup for a decade or two, what and how needs to be done to preclude the next attempt, IMO.
On a more uplifting note, I present what might be the greatest publicly passed shit-test of all time, by the most unapologetically capital-M Man to have graced our lifetimes with his presence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YDqm7LXt2g
His reaction to this question is a lesson in dealing with women, and all of their public Globohomo agents (all women or pretend women). Confronted with your oh-so-evil past wrongthink which you must surely apologize for, just double down and hold the line. Even if you’re on camera, for all the world to see. Especially then. Barbara Walters shit-tested him in front of millions of people.
Did Sean Connery’s career end after this, or ever? No. He died peacefully in his sleep at 90 in a mansion in the Bahamas. He is still a legend, and no one cares if James Bond “raped” anyone, because Bond was Bond and Connery was Connery and there are different (i.e. truer) rules for men like him. He was simply a man, and an honest man, and a man willing to stop women’s nonsense with a slap.
His tip: open hand rather than closed fist, an insight obviously spoken from experience.
(And tell me her face doesn’t want to learn a little more about Sean Connery’s slap.)
That last sentence really made my day
I also think it is funny how in the comments there are many people defending him from the progressive frame that men are the same as women
I had always assumed everyone here knew that Sean Connery had said sometimes girls need a slap and that he stood by it.
Not really relevant to this post, but relevant to the possibility of impending collapse in general:
I often see the notion, which I think comes from BAP although I’m not sure, that Neolithic societies, between the rise of agriculture and the Aryan invasion, were some sort of communist matriarchies that were finally ended by the patriarchal chads from the steppe. And of course there is evidence of a very severe Y-chromosome bottleneck in this period, which is easy to see as the result of female sexual selection gone to extremes. But it is just as easily explained by patriarchal kinship groups repeatedly annihilating one another, and in fact the Neolithic matriarchy theory seems to originate with the wishful thinking of feminists in the 70s.
There are of course no records from that far back to consult, but if you read the Bible as summarizing oral tradition that does go back that far, it describes the late Neolithic as a time of very bad immorality, followed by a very severe population bottleneck. It does not really describe the evils of Noah’s day, but a reader of this blog is inclined to assume sexual immorality, demon worship, a great deal of infanticide, and so on—things that could lead to a very severe population bottleneck by material and effective causation rather than supernatural causation (i.e. God flooding the earth).
Now the reason this is relevant is that most aspects of leftism seem to be tracking in the direction of low-tech demon-worshipping communist matriarchy where 1 in 17 men reproduce, and the Neolithic also lasted longer than all of history since then, so if that was indeed the state of human society then, it suggests an end-state to leftism which is stable and in some sense the default state of humanity, and is of course even worse than the left-singularity, which at least burns itself out and ends.
I don’t know if its entirely true but I always loved this meme. It was probably somewhat true for the “old Europeans”.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/47/6b/52/476b52e01a0674d78fe6f0ba0d666fe1.jpg
The common conception of “Old Europe” is mostly the work of a single female archaeologist whom even modern scholars criticize for politically motivated wishful thinking, so I am not inclined to take her too seriously:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marija_Gimbutas
On the other hand, there are plenty of leftist reasons to cancel her theories, perhaps that they suggest that Europeans were ever anything other than violent patriarchal conquerors, or that the Y chromosome bottleneck and the priesthood was unable to attribute the results of matriarchy to their obvious cause.
*the Y chromosome bottleneck was discovered
Y Chromosome bottleneck indicates that patrilineal clans wound up owning all the women and all the land.
I conjecture that old Europeans were replaced by Indo Europeans during the Y Chromosome bottleneck. Do we have genetic data supporting this?
The men certainly were, given the near-extinction of hunter-gatherer and farmer Y-DNA haplotypes.
Given the amount of Neolithic farmer DNA in modern Europeans though, it seems the women survived just fine.
The Y-haplotype I evolved in Europe during the Paleolithic. It is the “old european” haplogroup. It survives in substantial proportions- between 15-40% of males all over Europe. It is simply not the case that the Aryans genocided all of the men or prevented them from reproducing. Or that if they did, the few survivors managed to breed back fairly well.
Most haplogroup I in Europe is I2, and I2 was found among Yamnayans (who are best known for R1). The possibility of founder effects means we can’t assume the frequency of I among Yamnayans reflects the frequency of I in areas where the Yamna migrated to (so eg. I might be more common in European Yamna invaders than among the Yamna who stayed home).
The highest concentration of I1a2 in Europe is in the Balkans, which syncs with what we know about the first Yamna migration wave about 4200 BC – it was into the lower Danube.
So I did originate in Europe, the problem with your argument is that it seemingly originated with the Yamna, not the EEFs, who were mostly (speaking from memory) Y-DNA C, G2a, and E1b. WHGs were mostly C-V20, I think.
“I often see the notion, which I think comes from BAP although I’m not sure, that Neolithic societies, between the rise of agriculture and the Aryan invasion, were some sort of communist matriarchies that were finally ended by the patriarchal chads from the steppe”
I’ve been reading a book called “The Greek Myths” by Robert Graves (published in 1955) . It’s about ancient Greek mythology, obviously, but in it the author recounts the existence of a Goddess he calls “Eurynome”, or the triple-moon goddess. He says that before the patriarchal Homeric times Greece (actually all of Europe) was matriarchal, kings would be sacrificed yearly, etc. He doesn’t cite sources for these claims as far as I can tell, so who knows. I think Evola believed similar things.
Apparently Graves was a fag, so take that for what you will. Also, I’ve noticed I’ve been put under moderation? That’s fine, I really don’t trust any of you and I think it shows in my comments. Remove whatever you deem unfit.
You were not put under moderation. Your email address changed.
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Our host has a good response to this line of thought:
https://blog.reaction.la/war/paternity-war-and-conquest/
1 in 17 is not the percentage of men who had women during the Neolithic, it is the percentage of men at a given point whose descendants survived. The other 16 of 17 were removed from the gene pool by the 1 in 17 that managed to cohere and fight.
The proper way to read Naturalism into Genesis is to view Noah in the context of civilization and Bronze Age Collapse, not prehistory.
Lek Mating only happens in nature when females are significantly physically stronger than males. Feminism is the state accommodating for the inherent physical inferiority of females. If civilization collapses, humans will reproduce like big cats.
The Exodus takes place during the Bronze Age Collapse. Regardless of how much or how little heed you pay the exact chronology, Noah cannot have lived at the same time as Moses.
Presumably there was a different period of anarchy and violence between the Neolithic and the Bronze Age, as there was at the end of the Bronze Age, or after the fall of the Roman Empire.
We know there was massive race replacement at the end of the new stone age shortly before the start of the bronze age, sort of at the start of the bronze age, and massive race replacement and burning cities at the end of the bronze age shortly before the start of the iron age, sort of at the start of the iron age.
In both cases, we have evidence of restoration of patriarchy – patriarchal property owning people replaced matrilineal socialist people.
Exodus is end of bronze age, Noah is shortly before the rise of cities, therefore late stone age.
Yes—the question is, therefore, whether the people who were replaced at the end of the Neolithic had been matrilineal and socialist since the beginning of the Neolithic, or merely strayed into it and were replaced within a few hundred years as a result, as in the Bronze Age.
That is what the meme about Old Europeans and Indo Europeans asserts, but that meme cheerfully conflates both conquests more than three thousand years apart, plus more civilizations than you can shake a stick at.
I rather think it is probably true, but there is a lot of prehistory and a shortage of evidence and records.
If men do not cooperate to protect property rights in women, a people will disappear rather quickly, because reproduction requires cooperation between men and women, and if defection can occur at any time, we get defect/defect equilibrium.
What I conjecture tends to happen is that people set up institutions of (relatively) large scale order to protect property rights in the most precious thing of all, women, this gets extended to land, cattle, crops, and women, making agriculture and cattle ranching possible. But such a system is necessarily complex, and vulnerable to entropy, as for example priests elaborating it to increase priestly power and one up other priests. Also bang other men’s women behind their back.
We know the early systems for order were temple centric – finding and publicizing consensus being an inherently priestly occupation. All the first cities were grew up around temples.
Things have not changed much. Armies work by chain of command, and chain of command works by belief in legitimacy. If General Top Dog tells a bunch of grunts “grab that man and throw him in the brig”, the grunts will give their sergeant puzzled looks. If the sergeant says “Grab General Top Dog and throw him in the brig”, they will throw him in the brig without a second’s though. So, if you want to avoid the chaos of the army of the Roman Empire, you need a faith that gives a reason to obey General Top Dog.
And, entropy always increases. You have to keep demons from infesting the official faith.
If the faith fails to uphold the latter six of the ten commandments, you are going to disappear.
The Neolithic societies, imo, had been matri-socialist for a very long time, while the late BA civilizations strayed into it. If you look at catalhoyuk, the way the houses were built cannot correspond to a society where property is respected and men could keep their daughters from sneaking out. (Catalhoyuk had windowless apartment buildings, where each building was connected to the houses adjacent, so that one could enter another’s house at any time) It was a human warren or hive. A healthy male would go insane living there.
Catalhoyuk is intriguing, but it was discovered by a career fraudster who is associated with a theory of archaeology that argues “it is OK to lie about your findings so long as it promotes Marxism.”
Maybe Catalhoyuk is real, but maybe it isn’t.
If there were cities in 9000BC, where are the cities of 9000-3000BC?
Even without his input CH has the traits of a socialist society with female emancipation, and fair evidence of demon worship. Burying your dead in the floor of your own house is creepy.
How can this city possibly have been maintained, with no access for maintenance or repairs? Yet the authors claim that the individual rooms were inhabited for generations.
Wouldn’t the middle of the city collapse while the edges continued to be rebuilt?
It just is not sensible engineering.
Maybe it is real. I do not know. It presents more as a literary device, of which someone then made a model, and coincidentally sold “artifacts” from that model for huge amounts of money onto the black market, while simultaneously using it to fabricate evidence for Marxist prehistoricism.
In almost all cases, if a scientific claim is significant for our officially unofficial state religion, the scientific basis for the claim is completely fabricated.
It is even fabricated when it would be quite possible to find some evidence to support it. They just don’t bother, because if a claim supports the state religion, it is too much work to find actual data, and no one would dare check, or even scrutinize, your data. A publishable theology paper is a lot less work than a publishable paper that is actually scientific.
In food studies (foods associated with manliness are supposedly bad for you) sometimes they will put out the effort of cherry picking statistics that they googled up, but any data that would involve actual work is totally fabricated all the time.
In peer reviewed science, there are powerful incentives to avoid data that deviates from the consensus of one’s peers, but absolutely no social or career consequences for making up data. It is entirely up to the conscience of the individual scientist. With the result that if an honest scientist keeps running into data that deviates from the consensus of his peers, he is trouble.
No level of fraud can override 99.9% of men having the ability to physically overpower and kill 99.9% of women. Lek mating cannot happen without male power compensating for the inherent physical weakness of females. Every single example of Progressive anthropology has been discredited over time, even that of the South Pacific of whose art the fraudsters of Catalhoyuk plagiarized from.
Continuing on Original OC’s concerns, the structure of the settlement makes it impossible for realistic human habitation because of the lack of proper circulation, sanitation, and transportation of goods and services. Even urban bugman 16-person-per-apartment arrangements have central air, toilets, carbon monoxide alarms and fire prevention.
The most offensive detail regarding Catalhoyuk is its lack of chimneys. Every indoor fire requires chimneys to direct noxious smoke away from occupants. During liturgy, drafts within the sanctuary direct candle flames in various directions (this is why candles drip around the edges) and churches require occasional maintenance in removing wax buildup on ceilings. Without chimneys, all of the artwork and artifacts of Catalhoyuk would be coated in ash, not to mention that during the winter or on cold nights all of the occupants would either freeze to death or die from smoke inhalation.
That James Mellaart is a know fraudster should direct anyone away from Catalhoyuk.
From the assertions made here, it seems clear that the whig conclusions regarding CH are a load of shit. Playing devil’s advocate, two questions arise in my mind:
1) is there in fact some actual archeological site? (It was asserted that someone found some site, made a model, and then everyone pictures the model and not the site, which lines up perfectly with how the whig humanities does everything)
2) could it be some kind of temporary holding site for slaves? (the dynamics of slave ships coming from Africa are harrowing, but so is vaginal birth, by which I mean that humans can endure pretty terrible conditions if they are temporary)
The whole thing reminds me of a now memory-holed instance a few years back where some ancient grave site was exhumed, a female skeleton was found along with a few weapons, and forests were felled as academics wrote in great detail about wymynz warriors.
If there was anything actually there, there would be extensive excavations, a reasonable large area carefully dug up, a big shallow hole, broad enough to cover a reasonable number of pens. A lot of people have a lot genuine interest in our earliest cities.
I can’t seem to find any indication of such a hole, which does not prove the nonexistence of such a hole, maybe more an indication that I don’t try very hard to check out the empirical basis of woke theology (attempting to check it out is seldom profitable) but considering the abundance of data on the existence of the model …
Maybe someone else can find data about the hole.
No one had definitive proof of Alger Hiss’ collaboration with the Communists until after the fall of the Soviet Union. In other words, there are several possibilities not worth speculating about at this time; what matters is that we understand the central narrative as false.
@neofugue
Indeed. I personally care about details because that’s how you win over the silent and thoughtful, but it is murky and laborious. The fact is that They are illuminated by The Lie, so all they do is lie, so all lies. While I would never recommend anyone go through an Anthropology Degree program, it is hilarious, fascinating, and sickening to see them interact with Nature and Nature’s God directly, yet come away with opposite-to-obvious conclusions.
CH is inconvenient for the left. The site is real and it is large. Too big for one guy to hire a bunch of locals to fake. If fraud to support the progressive worldview, it would have looked like an egalitarian paradise. Instead, it looks like a miserable hell. That is not very good propaganda. Mellaart might have faked a lot of the shit he supposedly found there, but the site is real and it is fucking weird.
“impossible for realistic human habitation because of the lack of proper circulation, sanitation, and transportation of goods and services”
Like in every ancient city before sewage systems, you shit into a pot, and dump the pot into approved spots meant for dumping shit, usually downstream into a river, sometimes into a big pit. And it had chimneys, the same chimneys most ancient people had, which is just a hole in the roof for smoke. When I said the buildings were windowless, they had holes in the walls for air, but holes too small to let in light or afford a view. When a fire burns oxygen and sends hot CO2 into the air, it creates a pressure gradient that draws air in from outside. Fires cause air circulation, which is why ancient people had them burning even in the summer.
I did some more research. CH looks to me like a factory compound. It produced art and tools for trade, probably protected and taxed by nomadic warrior pastoralists. The genetic diversity of the women excavated there is high, and the genetic diversity of the men there is low. Therefore, women were brought to the compound, probably as pay for the men working there. Later in its history, a bunch of skulls were found with identical punitive wounds, suggesting that CH tried to rebel against its overlords, who came in and did a lot of whacking with stone axes, but not whacking hard enough to kill, because the workers were useful craftsmen. Hence the design on the homes. You pull up the ladder, and the people inside cannot get out. You go hunting, you pull up your ladder so your bitch cannot sneak out to fuck other men.
Looks to me like slaves working in oubliettes, who were paid in bitches, and the ruling class was most occupied with traveling around trading the goods they produced, because a merchant needed protection, and if the merchants are also the warriors, much simpler. No public religion and common goods means slaves to the red pilled man.
“A healthy male would go insane living there.” Males must earn their right to a decent and healthy living, hard to do when your society is only capable of building what are essentially mud huts
Clot-shot mandate kicks in October 5th in the Russian federal state of Sverdlovsk, where the third megapolis–Yekaterinburg–is the state capital.
https://www.e1.ru/text/health/2021/10/01/70168589/
https://rg.ru/2021/10/01/sverdlovsk-post05-24-1-reg-dok.html
People get fired if by November they don’t have the first shot and by December the second shot.
The affected: education, state and municipal workers, service workers, taxi drivers, hairdressers, dry cleaners etc.
Yekaterinburg is a megapolis so presumably folks can find the trad KoviVac and the subunit protein EpiVac, but likely the majority in the region will nevertheless get the brutal Sputnik V.
Argentina is using Sputnik, Covishield (Indian licensed version of AstraZeneca), and the Chinese trad vax.
According to Argentinian data, the Indian AstraZeneca lands most people in hospital, while Sputnik comes a close second in harshness of immediate side-effects.
https://www.rbc.ru/society/07/07/2021/60e5c7229a79479ec80310f2
Yep, and Newsom at it in Cali now, pushing vaccine mandate for K-12 students: https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-education-california-gavin-newsom-575ef3be2c5c2600664fa48c08041abd
Any recommendations for good sanctuary states/areas west of the Mississippi for 4th gen Californians to flee to?
If all else fails, what is the “least bad†clot shot? Still JNJ, if something like Valneva never becomes available?
Asking for a friend.
AZ is generally good, but tell your kids to lie if the school asks if they’re vaxxed, be cause the school isn’t allowed to check…or homeschool
At this point you’re nuts if you don’t homeschool your kids. Probably has been that way for at least 20 years, but it’s painfully obvious now.
When full tyranny hits the kids can be taken away from terrorist antivaxers for their own good, and then vaccinated and placed into institutions or given to a proper globohomo family of colored transvestites.
(Last year I think a family from Norway asked for political asylum in Poland, after the Norway gotv took their kids on some made up pretext and gave them to a homo family. Another family from Sweden was given asylum in Poland, the kids were given in Sweden to a Muslim family. It looks realistic enough that this trend will grow by leaps and bounds across globohomo land)
If living and working in a globohomo state or region and for some reason unable to cut and run, in November a theoretical choice of going to Mexico and getting a trad jab appears to be on the table.
https://www.godsavethepoints.com/us-travel-bans-accepted-vaccines/
Taking away someone’s kids, especially on a large scale, is likely to trigger serious scorched earth responses. Responses that were not available to the Kulaks.
Yeah, I do not have kids yet and that is still on the same level as gun confiscation attempts. They do that shit and it will be open season on every cop, government worker, judge, and fed we can reach. No one will be safe. Once you start grabbing kids, especially with the child traffickers running the family courts and associated bureaucracies. Any judge signing such an order would be signing his or her own death sentence. Any cops or other officials showing up to enforce them would be showing up to die. And that would be before proactive steps started getting taken. I hope they are not crazy enough to go after the kids, because that would be a disaster.
I’m thinking that the response is likely to be way more scorched earth than that. If Society tries to take your kids, you’re at war with Society as a whole, not just cops or even just politicians. You’re at war like the Kulaks were. Accordingly you smash the foundations of life in your Society in ways that modern societies leave vulnerabilities to that were never there for the Kulaks.
It would have been perfectly justified for the Kulaks to bring about the deaths of 90% of the population of the Soviet Union.
That is the assumed result. I did not feel like fending off accusations of, “Fed! FED! FEDPOASTER! HES FEDPOSTING!!!” If they were coming for my guns or my neighbors’ kids, the whole infrastructure gets targeted. Power, water, transportation, and governing infrastructure are all valid targets. Starving, trapped people who cannot organize cannot seize kids or guns.
If they are going to go that far, I would be willing to burn it all down, whether or not I have the legitimacy. A revolution needs legitimacy. A total war against the society that looks to kill me has legitimacy from God. I would be like Samson tearing down the temple around him, because I may die, but I am sending all of them before me to tell the Devil that my last act was to kill his people and smash his plans. If I am dead either way, then I might as well smash the whole corrupt edifice on my way out. It would be evil to do anything less.
Kinda wondering whether that might be the best case outcome. You’re correct that the Kulaks/MARS don’t have a Caesar, so they can’t ‘win’ a revolution. But they can destroy the society entirely, and probably will if the holiness spiral continues. Ironically, they can achieve probably an even ‘better’ depopulation than the elites can, except they’re likely to insure disproportionate elite casualties in so doing.
No, it is not the best case. In fact, it would resemble the worst case outcome, a Szechuan autogenocide, more than anything. Stalin is preferable to Samson.
In places like Ireland they storm your house in the middle of the night and take your kids just to make a point.
https://insiderpaper.com/man-video-irish-police-athlone-ireland-church-home-raid-gardai/
One would expect the Irish to react, but no.
The globohomo drones think “this is very appropriate behavior by the state”, while the rest think “at least they haven’t come for me.”
Slow boil.
I’ve observed the same thing, but I’ve read stories of father trying to kill family court judges over this sort of injustice, but such stories are never in the national or even local news. People fighting back may never be reported by the media in order to not encourage others to do the same. IE, our dataset is incomplete on how much resistance is going on.
I know a fair bit or resistance is going on, and it is effective. They shy away from hard targets. They know a fair bit of resistance is going on, and they are afraid.
But with no Caesar, and total media blackout, will never amount to anything that matters.
If they were only trying, they were not doing enough. Shooting him in the middle of court is a fools errand, and once you do it you are a dead man. The system will see to that. If it gets to the point where you have to kill a judge, or some cops, or a prosecutor, do it out of sight, out of mind. Get them on their drive home, when they show up to the office in the morning, right as they are taking their kids to school, or when they go to get lunch.
Then you do something really gory and excessive. Decapitation is always a classic, or the tried-and-true method of hanging them somewhere public with a sign like, “CHILD THIEF.” You will probably get got, but only once you have made a massive mess that they need to handle.
As far as making it clear you are a hard target, make sure they know that midnight raids will beget midnight raids. Yeah, you might take my kids, but I will get yours, too, you fuckers. And your kids will not be going to CPS. Chesa Boudin shows that nits make lice. If the people who would sign the warrant for you think there is a chance you will come right to them, they probably will leave you be. Cowardice is powerful motivator among the left.
>If they were only trying, they were not doing enough.
I’ve only heard about the cases where the men failed. I’m guessing that in the cases where they succeed it would not be reported as such. News would report it as a random crime instead.
The big problem that most people have in the west is family members not getting involved in revenge attacks. You can arrest a man by surprise, but it gets real hard to sign that warrant if all the males in the family will do what needs to be done to set things right.
The cartels in Mexico and mafia in Italy have used bomb attacks on judges if I recall.
No maggots, no flies.It applies to ALL sides in the conflict. But MY side doesn’t oppose euthanasia. Hell is eternal.
Devastating article on the fraud and lawbreaking by scientists and politicians alike to promote the scamdemic….https://stratagemsoftheright.blogspot.com/2021/01/the-broken-thumb-heuristics-in-fall-of.html
Said Jim:
I think the core problem is the welfare state.
Welfare and quotas for women make women a privileged class:
They have sovereign economic independence from work and being owned by one man,
because they don’t need a man anymore economically.
Welfare queens have often multiple children, they are doing well reproductively.
At least in Europe, welfare also generously provides for lower class men, who
are free to reproduce as well.
Welfare recipients, men and women, actually live off the taxes paid by those who work and pay
net positive taxes, almost completely other men.
Those working men pay for the welfare recipient’s livelihood and reproduction.
Actually, taxpayers are literally cucked by the welfare system:
If a taxpayer would be declared personally responsible for paying another, unrelated woman’s or man’s bills, sex and children – literally being forced to walk to them and give them his earned cash – he would be outraged.
Same thing happening indirectly through taxation and governmental redistribution – no outrage.
The welfare system has normalized cuckoldry – but it’s even worse:
The tax cuck has not even the right to have sex with the sexual active, childbearing women he pays for.
This is supercuckoldry:
Having to pay for women and their fornication and their resulting children without even having a right to have sex and reproduction oneself.
Their are millions of incel men who must pay taxes, pay with their life time and life energy in form of work and money, so that OTHER people can have sex and children.
Yet, nobody seems to care. As if it were invisible. It boggles my mind.
Then again, I remember that if you go to a guy and take a few percent of his money physically out of his pocket, he will attack you. Do functionally exactly the same by inflating money, and he will ignore it.
Inflation is to monetary property value what social welfare is to reproductive success.
Remove social welfare, or reduce it to a bare minimum,
and women will need man again to own them.
Emancipation predates the welfare state.
Many women are perfectly capable of working a job. Without the welfare state, but with emancipation, those women still cause trouble, and have no children.
No.
Beta males just do not understand how volcanically powerful sexual impulses are in women. They cannot be controlled by mere social pressure and economic incentives. Women don’t fuck around because we have a welfare state. The historical reality is that we had to have a welfare state because we let them fuck around.
What happened historically is that France eased up on tight control of females, controls on women getting out and mingling that would make the Taliban blush, then during the Regency and early Victorian period England did the same.
They were forced to introduce the welfare state because too many women were giving birth to bastards in dark alleys in the rain and the mud.
For late virgin marriage to work, you just have to pretty much chain your daughters to the wall.
Since I think it would be culturally difficult to introduce Talibanic measures, I favor extremely early virgin marriage. If a girl somehow gets together with a nonkin male behind closed doors, we assume that sex took place within a minute, marry them if possible, marry her off if impossible.
Either Chekov or Gogol had a short story about a young man and a young woman in a room, him being maneuvered into something which could be interpreted as an admission of affection, and then the girl’s parents pounce into the room “Aha!”
The father holding an icon as holy witness, the mother babbling happily. The young man goes pale, then suddenly sees his chance and bolts. The father had been too eager and grabbed a mere portrait from the wall instead of an actual icon. “Fool!” yells the mother at him while the daughter sobs…
Women with internalized morality barriers then try to pretend nothing really happened after such an eruption, or they devise compartmentalization rituals such as getting drunk or high in order to explain to themselves “that wasn’t really me”.
These days, however, the manic high of peak horniness, far from being “that weird state that happens to me a few times a year”, is being sold as a utopia that should be chased and maintained through any means possible, and as the meaning of life as such (aside from hysteric “activism”).
Thus if in the near past a woman tried to manage her eruptions of manic horniness in one way or another, or at least compartmentalize it through rituals, today globohomo encourages her to try and artificially maintain this state constantly.
The way certain fag and tranny subcultures try to maintain perpetual sex bender highs with no coming down ever (and then their psyche implodes, followed closely by their immune system).
Destroying people’s psyche and immune system seems to be a very strong theme in globohomo’s social engineering over the last decades, currently seriously accelerating.
Unless your sexuality is just another fetish within the vast collection of gay trannie fetishes, it is toxic, and you are guilty of oppression, colonialism, and genocide. Straight sex is only permissible if practiced like yet another gay fetish.
What is more important: Maintaining your spiritual, psychological, and biological immune system, or avoiding oppression of all those poor pitiful official victim classes?
In the US not the case, this is not an age of hedonism and the US does not have a “slut” problem but a problem of women who chastely await Jeremy Meeks because their status is too high.
The more I interact with women and girls, the more I see how true this is.
Recently I went to have fun with a buddy of mine. I got to his parent’s house before he had returned, and he wasn’t going to be there for awhile because of a last second change. So I figured that I’d just wait around, since it didn’t make sense to drive back and forth. So that how I got into the situation of spending some time with my friend’s “9 year old†sister, since that seemed more entertaining than twiddling my thumbs.
So it all starts off with just some friendly conversation, and talking about various things. Stuff happens. She then goes “hey, let’s jump of the trampoline.†Seems innocuous enough, right?
In hind-sight, I realize her goal (conscious or otherwise) was that the area where the trampoline is happens to also be far enough away that most things spoken can’t be heard by onlookers, and that it is also less clear what exactly is happening physically. A touch occurred, yes, but where exactly is harder to tell at that distance.
So over the course of the time on the trampoline, she slowly get more bold with things she does. At one point she’s been playing a “game†of her touching me quickly, then her “running†away while giggling. I got caught up in the moment, and decided that I’d not let her get away next time. So I completely shut down her ability to move, which caused her to lose whatever train of thought she was on and blurt out “I know this might sound weird, but you’d be good at kidnapping.†I got her to clarify that she thinks that because of how strong I am, which I’d said probably doesn’t mean much coming from a little girl. (But since she has a few older brothers and a father, probably means she’s never been handled to that degree before.)
My buddy got home pretty quickly after that. His sister got off the trampoline, and ran to great her brother. I got off and put on my shoes, and then walked over. As I was walking over she came back and was like “why didn’t you run over?†and I said I was getting my shoes on, which she then goes “why didn’t you run after that?†to which I reply that since she had already reach the destination, that didn’t seem to me to be a reason to rush.
So yeah, seems clear to me that she already is interested in the game of “predictor and prey†and is wanting to rope me into it. (Also she probably already is having kidnapper fantasies and such.) Will probably be hard to keep her a virgin until 18 or 20, barring her parents really stepping up their lock down game.
TLDR: Buddy’s “9 year old†sister escalated on me, and complimented me by saying I’d be good at kidnapping, and then got “upset†when I didn’t physically chase her later on.
That shit happened to me, too. I was running a TTRPG and was the Game Master. Already a title that drips domination. So a buddy of mine used to play and he was bringing his preteen daughter to the game to look after her. I run the table and give everyone instructions and decisions, and everyone looks to me. That triggered her female understanding of high status and she started flirting with me. Weirdest thing ever, knowing what was going on, because she was just a child without any sexual characteristics at all. It was incredibly uncomfortable having to dance around what was obviously going on when no one else will notice what is happening right in front of them.
The parents of a 3-4yr old girl some time ago were pretending to not notice as the kid grinned at me while touching herself feverishly between her legs.
I finally said “watcha doing?” and she gleefully said “I’ve got a good thing down there that makes me happy.”
The parents could no longer pretend nothing was happening, the mom looked on the verge of making some sort of scene, possibly directed at the kid, or at me, or at her husband, who the hell knows.
I said calmly, friendly, “well, everybody has a good thing down there that makes them happy, but it’s not polite to play with it in front of other people.”
That was the end of it, all the kid needed was a non-hysteric validation of the reality of her experience, coupled with some clear behavior instructions.
The rest of the evening was normal. As far as I know the kid never played with herself again like that in front of others.
Sadly, current year took its toll on this family, and I learned the other day that dad murdered mom, left a note, and offed himself, and the by now teenage kid is looked after by grandma and aunt.
Money issues, nagging, a possible triangle, depressingly banal stuff.
Well, shit.
Well that story took a turn
Sure did.
Another guy I know just did a stint in the nuthouse because Donald Trump is out to get him.
I’m gonna need to enforce a stricter “vouched for” policy on new acquaintances from now on, and filter out the old ones that look like they’ve made enough wrong choices to become a possible danger to those around them, which could include me and mine.
Tough times, suddenly.
What do you mean by “forced”, forced by whom?
It is not in male nature to let women suffer for their foolish choices, nor to expect them to make wise choices.
Thus men have to govern women.
That is only true for their women and even that is not absolute.
I react to women in trouble much as I react to children in trouble.
Yeah, I am hard coded to react with violence when a woman starts screaming, and it takes effort to overcome it. It is a pretty deep level programming, because I was not aware of it before it became an issue. It was a non-rational thing, too, because the screaming was coming from a song and I almost attacked my roommate before I realized what was going on. It is not surprising that such an approach would be advantageous for survival.
I share the same firmware exploit. Thanks to Jim, if there aren’t children present, I don’t even break stride.
I once helped stop a kidnapping attempt at the college I was attending. Her nigger Ex Boyfriend attempted to snatch a she-boon in front me and a bunch of other people. After we ran the guy off she didn’t seem very pissed off at the guy and refused to help the cops. I was rather confused about it at the time. Cops seemed to view at normal that she liked the kidnapping.
Then a friend of mine got stabbed by the girl when he tried to run off a cholo who was beating her. She wanted to be beat. I’ve basically been hands off on protecting women who are not relatives or friends of the family since then.
When I was in college, I walked past some spic townie getting into a physical argument with his girl, but a couple of drunk frat bros behind me tried to break the fight up, which resulted in one them getting laid out by the spic. Still didn’t care until the spic jumped on top of the dude he just knocked out and started beating on him while he lay there unconscious and his friend was panicking. At which point my tribal instincts of “spic bad, white boy good†kicked in and I chased the spic off. When the cops came, the girl told the cops that the frat boys were hitting on her, with the result that I had to go to kangaroo court and testify on behalf of my new friends to keep them from being expelled.
Meaning?
When there is conflict between a woman and man in public, she wants to test how alpha the man is, but if he gives a tolerably alpha performance, is not going to leave him for you.
On the other hand, when a woman is in trouble (not in a woman on male conflict), it is beta bait, unless you adequately take charge of her, which she will resist strenuously.
In, however, the ancestral environment, these events presented greater opportunity, assuming you killed the guy she was quarreling with, or dragged her off your lair to help her in her troubles, if male not present.
Dragging off to your lair to help her with her troubles can work in the present environment. It is astonishing what you can get away with. Cops and security guys know that intervention in the case of a male carrying off screaming girl is unlikely to be welcome.
@jim
To many words, to much orthodoxy that doesn’t answered what i asked.
to say that it is not in male nature to let women suffer for their foolish choices is not only untrue because many men let then suffer or make them suffer both in the modern world as well in all of history. It is also possibly trap, maybe not for you and me but for future generations.
Also you saying that you react to women in trouble the same you react to children sounds white knighty and a flanking to the left. But that may be the spider sense being to trigger happy.
Nuts
Guys like girls. This may sound shocking but i have it on good authority that it’s true. And the dark side of attraction is simping. A womanfolk are they way they are as that is what their men have tolerated them to be.
Then what are honor killings? the burning of witches?the convents?
There are such things as problematic women that need to deal with and sometimes be remove from society and ways were founded in the past.
One of the many problems of the west is that there is no mechanism that work at enough large scale to revolve this type of problem.
>Then what are honor killings? the burning of witches?the convents?
Doing the needful.
It’s not an either-or thing. And you can’t deny the reality of female privilege. Something like 30% of all males born in history have successfully reproduced; whereas, virtually all females born successfully reproduce. It’s a fact that many men frequently tolerate things in women that they would never tolerate amongst each other, for better or worse. This of course has implications on heredity.
@Pseudo-Chrysostom
sorry if it sound like that but my point was never a either or thing just that men do let women surfer and that isnt a bad thing.
And i am not talking about fathers or bothers it would be natural for them to care.
For example: Do you care about some 40 year old woman with no husband and kids that lives a miserable life?
>my point was never a either or thing just that men do let women surfer and that isnt a bad thing.
Yes, it happens and can happen; and Jim’s point was that there is clear and obvious difference in the scope of that happening.
Eric Feigl-Ding @DrEricDing
BREAKING—New oral anti-viral drug *molnupiravir* cuts risk of #COVID19 hospitalization and death **in HALF** in a randomized trial. Results so astounding that the trial is being stopped early, and Merck plans to apply for emergency authorization ASAP. Thread https://washingtonpost.com/health/2021/10/01/pill-to-treat-covid/
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From La Wik:
“… exerts its antiviral action through introduction of copying errors during viral RNA replication.[1][2]”
“…similar drugs in its class have mutagenic properties.[4]”
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Hell no!!!! Are they f*cking kidding me???? So it reliable attenuates Covid. Sounds like it will also reliably stimulate cancer!! No wonder they stopped the trial early!!!! The world is going insane!
Mere cancer is insignificant compared to the vital importance of worshiping the Awesome and Mighty Covid Demon in a manner that officially authorized by his holy priesthood and the Scientific Consensus. Are you against Science?
If you oppose Science you are dangerous to public health and need to be put on a ventilator.
When you buy an approved drug that is under patent, the drug company got the patent and the approval entirely on the merits, but somehow the holy priests who were involved in the process all became immensely wealth in totally unrelated transactions that were purely a result of their vast expertise in Holy Consensus Science. If you use a drug that is not approved for worship of the Awesome and Mighty Covid Demon, like invermectin, the priesthood would not receive the rightful benefit of their immense expertise in holy official Science.
Therefore, remember to always treat Holy Official Science with appropriate respect, lest you end up in the hands of the
inquisitionICUJust like Science says we have to switch to a new refrigerant every twenty years because the old one is killing the planet in some manner that was discovered just as its patent was about to expire. First it’s CFCs ruining the ozone layer, then it’s HFCs causing global warming. Maybe whatever replaces HFCs will be found to cause Covid.
Nah. The official plan is that once the ban comes into effect, all new air conditioners and all air conditioners that need refilling, will be carbon dioxide air conditioners.
Which do not work when the outside temperature is above thirty Celsius, eighty Fahrenheit. But they make up for this in high efficiency in cooling your house when the outside temperature is already cool enough that you can simply open your windows and let the breeze through. A scientific break through (patent pending) is doubtless about to happen shortly after people start screaming about the new air conditioners.
They don’t just suddenly stop working when the outside temperature hits the limit, but they cease to be efficient and effective, and the hotter it gets, the less effective they become. The effectiveness does not fall off a cliff, but it slides down a rather steep slope.
We can always go back to sulfur dioxide or ammonia, the latter even being environmentally friendly. Who cares if you happen to end up gassing people if there’s a leak.
Backdoor trad vax option a month away?
On November, the USA starts admitting in vaccinated foreigners without a quarantine.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/20/us-to-ease-travel-restrictions-for-foreign-visitors-who-are-vaccinated-against-covid.html
Globohomo media continues to just say “vaccines”, but if you dig in deep enough, it turns out that starting November “accepted vaccines” include the two trad ones–Sinovac and Sinopharm. https://www.godsavethepoints.com/us-travel-bans-accepted-vaccines/
Question: does this mean that starting November a US citizen can pop over to Mexico, get a trad vax shot, then go back and have globohomo off his back for at least the next half year?
The answer to that question will probably depend on whether he announces his citizenship on reentry into the US and also on his skin color, gender, religion etc.
Expecting authorities to treat people equally according to some written law is normality bias.
2 weeks ago I had one those Sinovac vaxxine. Yesterday when I had bekam ( stick needle on the back then put suction cup) the practioner complained that my blood is too thick that it barely works.
Nobody knows if it’s clotting or just me.
Uh-oh. Fingers crossed. Aspirin as an anticoagulant?
Suction cup might be a good idea for anyone who absolutely cannot avoid the clot shot. Best effect if applied immediately after receiving the clot shot at the puncture where the poison entered your body. Some of the poison can probably be sucked out of the body in this way
Not how the circulatory system works. As soon as your heart beats just a couple of times, it’s everywhere in your body. Effects are going to be concentrated around the site of the shot, bruising and swelling and such, because immediate absorption of high concentration through the capillaries to the cells, but you’re not going to be getting it out of your cells with a suction cup.
I got the Sinovac thinking it was milder/more old-fashioned tech and still had bad, lingering side effects (of course, might have been worse with the mRNA; no way of knowing). Unless you are at high risk from covid to begin with, and especially if you have any history of autoimmune problems/allergies, I recommend avoiding any of the shots at all costs. I think part of the problem is in the nature of the (itself Frankenstein-ish) virus, not just the rushed vaxes of all kinds. Of course, this could mean getting the virus naturally is also a bigger risk than most flus, but in retrospect would definitely have taken my chances, especially given my relatively low risk profile for natural infection.
I got it and it was a bad cold, but not as bad a cold as one that I had caught a month earlier that was not covid. Looking at the death rate, it seems that if you are not a disgusting fat wretch or plagued with already life-threatening illnesses, it’s a bad cold. Hence, “Its just the flu, bro.”
Athlete Josh Archibald has come down with an inflamed heart from covid, as I claimed to have had and was challenged to the shill test over. Different from the flu. Problem is that vaccines are causing the same or worse symptoms as the virus
I’m sure there are all sorts of weird, one-off things, and we know the spike protein is toxic. However, it is less deadly than the flu and it kills the sort of people who are about to die anyway, while sparing children. If Jim is right, and covid replaces the flu in that particular ecological niche, then it is by far an improvement. Old and sick people should be sacrificed to protect children, not the other way around.
This is going to become an increasing problem:
https://www.redmondspokesman.com/news/da-man-killed-downtown-bend-had-asked-out-shooters-girlfriend/article_7608575e-1a46-11ec-88d1-5b2e56dd9a98.html
Video:
https://twitter.com/UNKNOWNVBS/status/1443682869323321344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1443682869323321344%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwhereisthebuzz.com%2Fbarry-washington-jr-black-man-shot-and-killed-by-ian-cranston-because-he-gave-his-girlfriend-allie-butler-a-compliment%2F
Nigger hits on a white guy’s girl, white guy tells him to fuck off, gets followed and attacked by the nigger, shoots nigger in self defense after getting punched in the eye, and the white guy sent to jail for it. They’re giving the Nigger the Trayvon treatment right now.
Nigger tries to hit on white woman, chimps out and assaults her boyfriend when turned down. Woman watches nigger get shot, records the bloody corpse and laughs about his death within seconds. It’s like a double dose of red pill crammed into the space of a few seconds.
On the positive side, I’d imagine she and her boyfriend had great sex that night, and she’ll probably be sticking with him.
Unfortunately the current thinking of law enforcement is that if the attacker is using fists, then the white man must only fight back using fists. You can’t pull a knife unless the black pulls a knife, can’t use a gun unless the black pulls a gun etc.
This is demonstrably false in many places. Plenty of videos of high ranking LEOs praising self defense by citizens against aggressors, many times with armed citizen vs unarmed barbarian. It is on your head if you decide to remain in urban and suburban areas for the big paycheck and vibrant nightlife options for your LTR.
I get the loathing for law enforcement, they are the foot soldiers of the elite. But most of them (white, male, parent, property owner) would bend over backwards to put their faith and allegiance into a virtuous elite. All dogs want a good master, but there is no other game in town. Currently.
“In many places….”
Maybe. But not in cities and not when it comes to high profile media cases. Yes, there are still good sheriffs and cops out in rural areas, I’m not talking about them.
If it is a high profile media case, it does matter what LEO thinks about it. Then the case is in the hands of prosecution and the courts.
LEO’s attitude matters in the low profile cases. Low profile cases are created or disappeared by cops.
The thing I’ve been hearing second hand from cops is do what needs doing, but then don’t stick around for the cops. They don’t want to arrest you for killing the tweeker who was trying to seal your catalytic converter, but if you make it obvious that you did it or worse tell the cops you did then you’re fucked.
Deschutes County, Oregon is overwhelmingly white (good) but still only voted ~40% Trump (bad), which basically means it’s a white shitlib county. I suppose we’ll see what happens in this clear self defense case, but if the guy ends up getting locked up for it ,the moral of the story may be to get out of Democrat counties even if they are overwelmingly white still. If this happened in a 60-70% Trump county, I doubt many BLM protestors are showing up to the court house to protest, if any.
BLM protestors don’t decide where they show up. They are deployed like troops. If the high command decides that there should be a protest at a court house in a Trump county, they will be bussed in.
Quite possible that the high command at present thinks that is not a good idea to have a BLM protest at a court house in Trump county, but that is only a matter of time. They cannot stop and be content with what they have achieved.
Maybe, possibly, but I still think unlikely. Prosecutors are less likely to bring political charges for killing a magic black in Trump land, and the cops are less friendly to Antifa/BLM. The problem, though, is that after a few years of mass immigration will your nice white Trump neighborhood turn into a niggerhood.
Additionally, without police protection, BLM/Antifa protestors get a proper welcoming by the townspeople in a Trump county and get promptly run off.
In some cases, the police then arrest BLM/Antifa for causing a disturbance, therefore not really effective use of resources for the Cathedral to deploy protestors to a place where the local government is not solidly loyal to the regime.
https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/2/frontlinenews/who-scientist-may-face-death-penalty-for-advising-against-ivermectin-deleting-the-tweet-wont-save-her/
I’m not exactly a huge fan of India but if they actually go through with this and execute her incredibly based.
Why countersignal India? They have done pretty well on the Covid front, Modi is pretty based, and they are threatening to fucking execute a Cathedral operative. From my perspective, that is pretty dammed great. Can you imagine if this goes through? What are they going to do, nuke India? No, this has the potential to be the Afghanistan collapse of the NGO system of Cathedral power projection. I am absolutely fucking thrilled with India even threatening this.
Dutch commies are so desperate that they have to invoke economic leftism in order to get Modi down. Dutch commies are interested in this because they hate MY guts.
I think the chances of this going through are pretty much zero. Just because someone is making a lawsuit with little chance of success it doesn’t mean much.
But India is definitely pretty based, and at least there people can say things like this without getting in trouble.
I said that this was based.
But why hate on India… Everyone who got out of engineering school in the early 2000s hates India and Indians and doing a deeper dive they seemed like all the worst stereotypes about jews (jews aren’t for instance really duel loyalists as progressive jews are not loyal to jews, Indians ARE loyal to their own caste while preaching leftism and universalism to everyone else). Not every Indian but 90% of them. It was also clear that the India engineering flood would basically never end unless someone like Trump actually stopped them, as India has been since independence a deeply deeply corrupt and leftist society and theoretically a democracy so it was always going to have unlimited bad engineers who would take nearly all the entry level jobs as the country itself would never develop much…
But yes that this even has respectable people in India petitioning for it is based. Maybe Modi has achieved real results… I did not think that was possible in India.
Problem with the H1-B Indians is they form nepotistic cliques that probably get in the way of team cooperation, and the ones that tend to do this are the ones who are not very good. The H1-B pool is also corrupted since it’s not really a competitive hiring of whoever is the best, but gamed and cheated by the large IT companies. My experience is that the engineers hired competitively (so mostly not H1-Bs) are fine, but then my experience is biased. (Though in my work, means putting my money where my mouth is: Indian men hired competitively, especially if working under white managers, are usually not cause for alarm).
What can be more generally stated is they are somewhat liable to scam you, and in communities where they congregate have insufferably leftist politics. (Though not dramatically more leftist than the people they live around.)
That they are liable to scamming you is to their discredit, but the leftist politics mostly an outgrowth of what they are encouraged to do by the current state religion, and the fact they are not spanked, so to speak, for failing to behave appropriately.
The tendency of indians to cooperate to an extreme degree such as to lock anybody else out of any company they get any power over shocked me. Jews have nothing on them. At least that’s my impression from down under.
Should have added: that’s the capability that you get when you have social tech that sorts people into equals who are then free to cooperate. A worthy goal to pursue. Let us take note.
Soft power rests on hard power.
When the Soviet Empire withdrew from Afghanistan, suddenly all its subject nations started getting fiesty.
Yeah I think the chances of this going through are pretty slim. In fact I think the chances of it being a legitimate threat are pretty slim. On the other hand I haven’t looked into it much, but the Indian Bar Association isn’t the Indian analog of the American Bar Association.
Nonetheless, they have been good as regards Ivermectin and other apparently effective treatment in at least some states.
As we say back in India, “In Jaahil Gawaaron ka koi Bharosa nahi.” Can’t trust these boorish rustics. They won’t do a thing to her. She will be just fine with a cozy retirement in comfort and luxury. India is a country of Beta Males. Writing this gives me no pleasure. Very Blackpilling
Only Islamic societies have the potential to be truly based these days with the Russians threatening to join them.
Slavs are pussy whipped from childhood onward.
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It’s just фор нош staying on the “normal” levels of 1980s and 1990s West, so the more globohomo degenerates, the more “based” the “normal” state of being pussy whipped seems.
But good pussy.
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The new generation teachers, taking over from the old battleaxes, are certainly something.
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Albeit what growing up being constantly disciplined by a sneering dominatrix does to a Slav kid’s brain is certainly up for debate.
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Hahaha, Varna, those are just fetishes. Every society has it’s fetishists and deviants.
Surely the majority of Russians are not like that!
Surely the Russian state does not want it’s Men to be like that
And they are Not! Russian men are famously known to be Tough
The very fact that a high priestess of holy science has been threatened with prosecution by a body of lawyers itself is a huge thing. I consider it a defiance against the cathedral howsoever symbolic.
Right, 0.00001 divided by 0 is still infinity
Yeah this is sweet. It’s like, Old Testament prophetic quality control. Stoning would be absolutely perfect, but I’m perfectly cool with culturally appropriate means of execution.
Can any of you tech guys here explain to me how it is possible that Facebook, Instagram, and Whatsapp were all down for so long yesterday? Is their infrastructure really so centralized?
Also, on another curious note, Trump’s Facebook page has been reactivated. I wonder what that means. I also saw he had his first MSM interview (with Yahoo Finance) the other day. Are they bringing him back into the fold to boost ratings and shill the vaccines or what? Or do Democrats just need him for riling their base up?
Looks like someone a FB managed to withdraw their BGP routing records “during a routine upgrade”, so they duly disappeared from the internet. Networking can be fun!
https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/10/what-happened-to-facebook-instagram-whatsapp/
So you’re telling me two of the biggest websites and the largest messaging app and all associated services are all hanging on by the thread of some IT guy’s screw-up? If so, astonishing. That sounds profoundly amateurish.
I hope and almost suspect that infrastructure of the state is as resiliently designed as that…
Diversity.
A lot of systems are inherently centralized. For example DNS.
You could change the DNS record for facebook.com, and no one would be able to access it (after a while). There has to be a single authority on it, because of how DNS works.
In this case, it was more like one thing causing a cascading failure rather than the system just being centralized.
Believe it or not but manual errors of various sorts is still one of the major categories of downtime causes in the industry.
To make it worse, BGP itself has been the mechanism of many spectacular failures, and seems to subsist on a sort of global good will between ASes. See for instance ‘BGP hijacking’ on how this fails.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BGP_hijacking
Less malevolently, sometimes certain peers just emit a lot of BGP trash, perhaps due to a lack of competence or mistaken ideas about how BGP works.
In recent years, there have been various proposals to patch this unwanted behavior. We’ll see.
One amusing example was when Egypt took out Twitter during its color revolution by, if memory serves, withdrawing Egypt’s BGP routing information (and thus disappearing). Basically the same outcome as for FB but done intentionally.
Thanks for the insights.
I’m also curious about WhatsApp’s role in this. Does this mean that this ultra-private super-duper encrypted service is simply routed through the same systems as facebook chat, making it fundamentally no different from them?
As far as I know, WhatsApp is nowadays located in FBs data centers. So is Instagram. At the end of the day they can easily shut them down.
WhatsApp does use some form of encryption but it seems somewhat compromised. Do not consider it to be ultra-private. The same goes for Apple and iCloud and many if not all other communication services. In Europe, authorities cracked Encrochat, a service used by various criminals, and the FBI along with others even developed and sold a honeypot device called ANOM.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdca/pr/fbi-s-encrypted-phone-platform-infiltrated-hundreds-criminal-syndicates-result-massive
I mention Apple because they have promoted the privacy of their devices, but now it seems government has ground them down and they will start scanning your iCloud uploads. Just for very bad stuff, of course, and not very effectively, so don’t worry. Do not mind that camel’s nose in the corner of the tent.
About Trump being back on mainstream places:
So from what I know, there was a Anti-Vaccine Mandate protest where both BLM and Trump supporters marched together.
If this indeed happened, then I think the cathedral might be getting scared that the BLM monster is breaking free from there chains, and want to re-solidify the “unity” the democrats had, which was “Trump hate”. Not sure it will work how they want, since normality is changing month by month.
Also, Trump being on mainstream places help to make things look “normal”.
I don’t think “BLM” or blacks could possibly organize by themselves as their own political faction.
They have tribalism yes, but when have they ever been a coherent cohesive political force of their own without being directly supported by someone else?
It’s not surprising at all they oppose leftism on this, but it’s similar with homosexuals and all that stuff. It doesn’t really amount to anything in the grand scheme of things, and individual blacks are allowed to commit crime speak since they are black.
It seems more likely the extreme left will eat the moderates, as they have been doing, and they will be covid demon worshippers.
>I think the cathedral might be getting scared that the BLM monster is breaking free from there chains
That said, maybe this is true. After all if they believe their own nonsense they must also believe that this is possible.
>re-solidify the “unity†the democrats had, which was “Trump hateâ€
The main political divider has smoothly transitioned to covid demon worship, with the caveat that as you say, the blacks oppose it. However it seems the same as the LGBT issue to me.
It could be the Cathedral correctly realizing that Trump is not an actual threat to their rule and thus better to keep him around as controlled opposition.
>It could be the Cathedral correctly realizing that Trump is not an actual threat to their rule and thus better to keep him around as controlled opposition.
Seems like it.
He could be just stubbornly trying to “fair fight” his way back to relevance. It is a known exploit of MSM to be unable to ignore Trump. I’m not saying he’s/ourguy/, but it seems to me that there is a bloc forming, somewhere between cuckservatives and Chadstorationists. Amerikaners, based blacks, conservative minorities. Maybe it is illusory, but there seems to be something happening.
Amerikaners already formed under Trump in an attempt to gain political representation. Only problem is that elections, politics, laws, and normalcy is dead so it failed. The time for politicians and voting your way out of it has now passed. Unless Trump plans on regime change backed by a loyal army, he can be ignored.
An organization formed for a pointless purpose is still an organization. In a very small way, I’m using “voter awareness” to bund-build. If some weirdo collection of deplorables forms to impact the vote, it wouldn’t be that hard to mission creep over to replace existing governance/managerial structures. His inability to see what was actually happening was a terrible shame, but I am not convinced he’s now a cathedral agent.
I don’t think Trump is a cathedral agent, but it seems his normalcy bias is blinding him from the reality of the situation. There is no political solution. Railing against Biden this, and Biden that is pointless.
What you seek is Amerikaner organizations modeled after Afriforum, which will surely come in the future, that organize neighborhood watches, self defense trainings, legal defense, parallel institutions (schools, etc).
We will have to wait a little while longer until the regime can no longer prevent the enforcement of local order like in South Africa. Until then, move to a exurb/small town/rural Amerikaner Trump town and get to know your immediate neighbors and build a network of people you can be cooperate/cooperate with around you.
I’m ensconced, but none of us is secure. Aidan and I have been kicking around a few ideas about next steps, but the Jimians are terribly isolated. Maybe it’s foolish optimism, but I think The Donald is not quite done yet. We’ll see what happens.
Maybe you could start something now like Afriforum, but I would tend to think the Cathedral would surely go after you if it was too public even if the language was identical. Would need to be underground for the time being.
In that regard, Trump’s operation largely leveraged the disaffected but still highly connected remains of the co-opted Tea Party movement.
An optimistic view would be that there were “people” behind Trump (I have no idea whom) with Trump himself as simply the charismatic figurehead. And the pattern suggests that while these people keep losing, because they still haven’t quite wrapped their minds around reality yet, they are in fact becoming more effective with each rebranding or reinvention. Not unlike an apparently incompetent enemy launching apparently useless and unwinnable border skirmishes, but which are in fact building up their operational capabilities and continually testing the enemy’s.
If true – and I repeat that it is highly optimistic – then it implies we may yet see a Caesar, maybe in a resurgent Trump, maybe in someone completely different. I do have my reasons for believing that Trump was 100% of the charisma but less than 10% of the operational competence.
The downside is that, if it is part of a cyclical pattern, then that pattern seems to repeat every 10 years or so, would surely take another 2 or 3 cycles to get right, and we may not have that long, given the current degree of downward/leftward momentum. Trump’s people, like Biden’s handlers, are assuming a Brezhnevnian near-term future, but if we get a Khmer Rouge instead, then they both lose.
Yes, there infrastructure is totally centralized.
Whatsapp had its own infrastructure, and facebook paid nineteen billion dollars, enough for Musk to do several space missions, to move their infrastructure to the same system as everyone else.
And if you pay someone else for DDoS protection, your stuff gets moved to the same infrastructure. Whenever you see Cloudfare, you connecting to the borg.
Which is why we need a protocol with inherent resistance to DDOS.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/05/tesla-must-pay-137-million-to-ex-worker-over-hostile-work-environment-racism.html
I think this is the Indian guy who was suing Tesla bc they didn’t want to hire him? I can’t tell bc the page wants me to turn off my ad blocker which I’m not going to do. That’s like a well-used whore telling me to not wear a condom.
Anyway if it is, I’m saddened by this.
This is the Cathedral working to destroy Musk, they even included black guys calling each other nigga in the lawsuit as proof of racism. The Star Prophet is not doing well against the cathedral. He may be considering a move to China.
@Alfred
And then the StarProphet says how good his Tesla factory in China is doing.
Activity at Starbase hasn’t seized.
The StarProphet gets interviewed by Russians:
https://youtu.be/W0c47kGhvMA
>Activity at Starbase hasn’t seized.
Launch activity has. The FAA shows every sign of using the “environmental” study to drag shit out until the rockets rust on the launch pads. Though I think Musk’s backup plan is launching them offshore. I pray the that Holy Star Prophet overcomes these cathedral dogs.
@Alfred
The orbital tank farm isn’t complete. Orbital launch mount isn’t complete. Construction and testing on those is still going on. Can’t do an orbital launch until those are finished anyway.
Ship 20 completed cryoproof, static fire is next.
As far as predicting what would happen at Starbase so far, I’ve been right.
What’s your read on Elon’s public opinions on Climate Change? I personally believe climate change is very real and will have to be dealt with, but I don’t think humans caused it and I don’t think we can stop it, we have to adapt to it.
https://youtu.be/xKCuDxpccYM
@Kunning Drueger
I don’t really pay attention to what is said, I pay attention to what is actually done.
Ok. He seems to me like he’s actually working to develop better tech for bigger expansion. I’m a huge fan and I apply to SpaceX once a year (in the midwit services, of course), but I do worry that elites are highly susceptible to the climate demon.
>I personally believe climate change is very real and will have to be dealt with, but I don’t think humans caused it and I don’t think we can stop it, we have to adapt to it.
The earth getting greener and warmer is a massive net positive. A tremendous amount of land is currently shitting useless due to ice and permafrost.
Elon isn’t part of the global warming cult as evidence by his funding of carbon capture tech. Such tech is unholy but difficult to argue against by the cult of global warming.
The whole of Homo Sapiens Sapiens is contained in a General Warming Period. We are ill suited and poorly prepared for any kind of general change. But yes, warming is boon, not bane. This is how you know global warming advocates are religious nutjobs: they believe in some sort of global mean that can be returned to if only we make the right sacrifices. No one is preparing for a Changed Earth.
Sure we are, short of a return to the ice ages, which are due any time in the next few millenia
The underlying problem is that due to life, carbon is being drawn into the subduction zones, and then deep inside the earth. So CO2 levels have been falling over the entire history of life, and are now reaching critical levels, that are unfavorable to plant life and apt to result in ice ages. During an ice age, life diminishes considerably, and so various CO2 sources, such as volcanoes and the rift zones, can catch up. But as the earth gets older, the volcanoes and the rifts become less active, and so we now, now as in the last five hundred million years, have a serious problem, which problem is getting worse.
Over a few decades, carbon dioxide equilibrates with vast reservoirs in the oceans and the rocks. We know those reservoirs are vast, because the carbon 14 generated by nuclear tests disappeared within a decade or so. Therefore human CO2 emmissions are, unfortunately, absolutely insignificant. CO2 levels are rising because the world is getting warmer (and thus these vast reservoirs are slightly less apt to retain CO2). Human CO2 emissions are like pissing into lake Michigan.
@Jim
Exactly. Climate Changeâ„¢, like the USDA food pyramid, is an inversion of the truth.
CO2 levels are dangerously low, thankfully they’ve begun to rise again. Great interview with William Happer explaining this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-9UlF8hkhs
Much of life evolved during the Cambrian period, during which CO2 levels were as high as 5000ppm. Most plants (C3 plants) are adapted to those levels. 400ppm is nothing.
Hopefully Elon & the other tech overlords aren’t too serious about removing meaningful amounts of CO2 from the atmosphere.
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. CO2 is a pollutant.
Unless has Musk has Shaniqua as chief rocket engineer, he is going to get another one hundred and forty seven dollar racism and sexism punishment.
At the same time, the EPA does not want mars contaminated by sinful humans.
Elon Musk could do two great things for humanity by moving SpaceX to China, or to a more equatorial location in China’s orbit, and building a thorium reactor next door to provide it with cheap, clean, reliable electricity. All employees will be invited to move, but Shaniqua’s invitation will get lost in the mail.
Elon Musk was sued twice before by the Shaniquas, he just moved on and kept going. I call him a prophet for a reason. He is dead serious on making Mankind multiplanetary, a strong religious reason.
And he only has to prove the fully reusable Starship concept. Launch and land the Booster and Ship stages.
China and Russia doesn’t need the EPA’s permission to settle Mars.
Starship will probably be ready for its first launch in a couple of weeks. The (utterly ridiculous) Environmental Impact study is unlikely to be ready for 2022.
What damage will starship do to the environment? Obviously only a bit more than previous launches, which damage is absolutely trivial compared to the immense environmental damage done by any Environmental Protest, which leaves a trail of trash behind it. When they go out to the countryside to protest some mining project or something, the devastation is shocking.
>Starship will probably be ready for its first launch in a couple of weeks. The (utterly ridiculous) Environmental Impact study is unlikely to be ready for 2022.
Starship would have been ready about a month ago but Musk cut the big push short after it became clear the FAA was going try to fuck him over.
Though I have to wonder about the those heat tiles. I think they might end up being a mistake considering how often they fall off. Long term we might need active cooling if we’re going to launching starships with very short tern around times.
“Long term we might need active cooling if we’re going to launching starships with very short tern around times.”
If one has a source of water in space (low G asteroid, etc) one could possibly reenter with steam powered retros. Said water providing at least three functions:
1. Cooling the reentry surfaces. Turing into high pressure steam.
2. Steam ejected as rocket exhaust producing a non-(direct)friction source for deceleration.
3. Vapor barrier heat shield, i.e. Leidenfrost effect.
Why is this solution easier or cheaper than whatever r&d is required to simply make sure that the ceramic tiles remain attached?
Expendable rockets use lithium aluminum alloy, which has a much higher strength to weight ratio than stainless steel, or resin carbon fiber, which has much higher strength to weight ration aluminum alloy.
Musk went to stainless steel, because it has higher heat tolerance, and plans the belly flop re-entry, to reduce re-entry heating.
The true solution is carbon-carbon fiber coated with chromium carbide, which has a much higher heat tolerance than stainless steel. But building large objects out of carbon carbon fiber is difficult. No one has done it.
Musk is still looking for ways to attach the tiles.
He was originally going to go with sweating – during re-entry, the rocket bleeds out a layer of cool gas to shield itself from the hot gas. That would work also.
They dropped that system due to weight. Musk rapidly iterates on his designs so it wouldn’t be surprising if it gets added back in at some point. Or maybe he’ll find a way to make the tiles work consistently.
Rapidly iterating your designs is an offense against the Gaia demon. The rockets are going to sit on their pads indefinitely while priests debate. Having a white male rocket building team is sacrilege against the sacred totems. Musk’s will find his job redefined from getting to mars to proving that science and technology was stolen from the brave and stunning warrior women of subsaharan Africa.
Musk is in the same shoes as Stilicho was.
The FBI is terrified of a real military confrontation, where multiple agents end up in body bags or worse.
And nobody wants to die for General Faggot Milley.
https://gab.com/ApocalyptoLatte/posts/107067566902541364
Soon all megacorps will be forced, if they want to survive, to strap down their Shaniquas and blast them with gamma waves until the Shaniquas develop enormous veined craniums and become telepathic geniuses.
And then be given chief rocket engineer positions n sheit.
Trust the plan. Two more weeks.
Shaniquas are reluctant to take the clot shot, so will probably be even more reluctant to take gamma waves.
Still it is an idea and there are plenty of people at megacorps who will gladly blast Shaniqua with gamma waves. Not much forcing needed on the megacorp side, I presume.
I am sure some environmentalist will complain that the occasional rain of exploded debris is bad for the environment, though the worst explosion recently slightly damaged four bushes and one remote operated camera, and was cleaned up quite promptly.
Meanwhile the environmentalists erratic and unpredictable designation of species as worthy and unworthy is severely damaging the environment.
A extermination of feral cats, by means of poisoned baits that any wild carnivore was likely to eat, resulted in an enormous plague of rats, devastating both wild plants and farms. A similar extermination on an extremely sacred island, sanctuary for seabirds, resulted in a plague of rats that ate all the eggs and nestlings, and attacked adult birds. The plague of rabbits ate everything green, resulting in devastating erosion. (They were worried that the feral cats were eating sacred birds, but rats eating sacred birds was just too hard too worry about. Meanwhile the sacred motivations for their actions purified the unsacred results.)
I have seen a cloud of an “endangered species”, stretching from horizon to horizon, leaving their nesting grounds to devastate farms in the vicinity. I have hacked my way through an endangered plant species that was strangling everything else on my land and making movement difficult. Its sap was poisonous, and if left too long on the skin left burns, and its leaves had razor sharp edges tipped with tiny thorns.
If cockroaches only afflicted country people, they would be “endangered” also.
Don’t believe Elon is opposed to the Cathedral, as such, or is some kind of individualist who succeeded on his own merits, any more than Steve Jobs was. Ever notice how there are supposedly no great inventors, designers or geniuses besides the lone “great visionary” at Apple, NeXT, Tesla, SpaceX? Yet Musk and Jobs did none of the work, made none of the inventions, nor any of the designs.
The successful parasites such as Musk and Jobs still succeeded only as parasites, same as Bezos, Gates, or any of the rest — they just conformed less to the prevailing bad taste than the rest, while still having the overweening egos needed to take the work of the real geniuses without guilt or more than token compensation.
Found the commie shill.
Steve Wozack, who’s widely considered the genius behind the early apple designs did absolutely nothing of value after leaving apple beside play Tetris and give his ex wives huge alimony payments. Steve jobs went onto create a useable GUI, the ipod, and the smart Phone. Great men get the most of out the most talented people they can find.
Musk is much like jobs but he’s also an actual engineer who does step in solve problems and someone with a big dream that may just save humanity from extinction.
Take the shill test.
Every transistor, every silicon chip, is built by an engineer who learned it working under an engineer learned it working under an engineer learned it working under an engineer … who learned it working under Shockley, who invented the transistor and wrote the book explaining how they work. Nothing came of academic work on transistors and peer reviewed research on the topic.
The entire modern world, from steam engines to the computer you are typing on, is the product of heroic scientist engineer chief executive officers of private corporations.
Harvard built radars during world war II, conscripting Hewlett and Packard and confiscating their work, but after the war, the Harvard work led to nothing.
When the priesthood killed off enforceable apprenticeship and enforced compulsory schooling to later and later ages, and created high pressure to continue schooling to much later ages, they cut the chain that passed skills from older to younger generations – you can see this in the decline of the quality of furniture, art, and architecture.
BS. Shockley was a great guy, but Carver Mead was more important for integrated circuits (Moore’s Law could just as well be called Mead’s Law, his textbook on VLSI design is the most important in the history of the industry) — granted, Mead would be the first to tell you that the academic explanation for how transistors work had nothing to do with making them work:
“The successes in technological enterprise are attributable to conceptual reasoning. “Fundamental” physical theory, as taught in universities and and propagated in the literature, has a long history of hindering conceptual reasoning, and therefore technological progress.” (From “The Nature of Light: What are “Photons”?”, which is all about how wrong-headed physics is.)
Anyway, the topic is: whether the CEOs of tech companies are the geniuses who come up the the ideas, or rather pass off as their own the work of the real geniuses, who get comparatively little. I’m not at all disputing that it is lone heroic geniuses who make the advances, I’m disputing that they are the famous CEOs. You support corporations. I support geniuses. You believe their PR. I have experience going back generations.
I’ve had a couple genius inventors in my family tree, and I am one myself. One of them, born in the mid-19th c. was likely a model for Twain’s Connecticut Yankee, was indeed a CEO, and his company is still making the machines that make things literally everyone uses everyday — but the laws and society have changed, no one can now do what he did. Even so, fighting a patent battle took a large share of the profits of the limited period the patent lasted.
A more recent ancestor of mine made advances in missile guidance systems, fighter avionics and more — but despite having the engineering chops, very rare inventive ability and the force of personality to be a top executive, he made his money in real estate. He told me many stories about how dumb brass shat on anything they couldn’t understand and took credit for the rest. (For instance, the admiral who wanted a ring-and-crosshairs added on to the gyro-stabilized, lead-computing reflector-gunsight from the MIT Instrumentation Lab.) He would have revolutionized air-traffic control and navigation in the ’60s, were it not for bureaucratic BS.
As for myself, I come up with good, significant inventions every year, sometimes more than daily. I’m not going to describe them because it would reveal my identity, make them less valuable (not only to me) and be beside the point. I’ve gotten into top schools and couldn’t stand them. I’ve worked in top tech jobs, Dilbert is one of the lucky ones.
I’d rather work on my ideas, my specialty, but the system is set up to prevent such specialization. No one has such a job, consulting or otherwise. Ideas are not only not marketable, but actively suppressed by every means possible. Going to university, even as a student, or working for a corporation, even as a temp.: the organizations claim ownership over all ideas. All funding for R&D goes through such organizations, with 40%+ taken as tribute by the administrators, and the spending of much of the rest directed to cronies. Of course, no one without the right resume for that particular idea gets funding, others need not apply. The patent application process is effectively an up-front punishment of similar magnitude to a DUI, several thousand dollars and years of legal process, to get what is in the end 98% likely to be worthless, and in the other 2% only grants a license (obligation, really) to bring a lawsuit costing literally millions and taking usually several more years (which you can almost never really, finally win against a big opponent). A US patent doesn’t actually give you the right to practice the invention, nor even to prevent the government from using it, nor even to prevent competitors from using it if you let anyone use it, and it applies only in the US. Any prior disclosure of an invention, even public disclosure, can be used by others to file a patent under the first-to-file system with virtually no real recourse, certainly none that isn’t expensive and uncertain, while also making any later patent on the subject, even from honest independent invention, open to being invalidated and even more expensive to defend, and making the idea virtually unpatentable once it’s more widely discussed, the discussions then being prior art — so even publishing potentially patentable ideas is suppressed. There is no market for invention licensing.
Any real invention will reduce the value of existing investments, perhaps even make them obsolete. Existing large organizations always stand to lose from invention, so the inventor must bring the product to market himself. Bringing any idea to market requires years of dedication to that one idea to the exclusion of all others, as well as all the rare skills that go into building a successful startup, which are virtually incompatible with those needed for inventing. Not to mention capital, which you can’t get at all, most likely, but in particular you can’t get on any kind of reasonable terms, even credit card terms, let alone the kind of deals Boomers get on their 2nd house/boat/RV, still less the Fed rates the kleptocrats get. Getting idea men to be discouraged by the prospect of going the startup route effectively suppresses most innovation, while not appearing to be doing so, and for those that do try to go that route, it effectively still suppresses all their ideas other than that single one, and that one has a low chance of succeeding. If it does, the idea man gets treated like Woz at best, while the snake-in-a-suit makes out like Jobs. Usually, even with idea-driven companies, the idea men are completely written out of the story and get nothing. (e.g. any of Musk’s companies).
All that is added on top of what one would think would be the already sufficiently dire fundamental difficulty: any new idea is in competition with not only established methods, but all other ways of accomplishing the same ends.
I’m not saying it’s merely difficult, it’s literally impossible to work as an inventor, it requires at least a hundred times more unfounded optimism than those hoping to become movie stars or professional athletes – at least they can point to hundreds of people who have succeeded. But acting and athletics are worthless compared to inventing. All large organizations — and all people — are nothing but ungrateful parasites on the men like me who invented everything from the stone hand-axe to nanotech.
Now you may have your opinion, but I actually met, if not Musk, then an insufferable 12-year old twerp named Elon from South Africa, in a Texas university GATE program when I was about the same age, (1984) and Michael Dell around the same time (Dell also in ’88), and I was not impressed by their technical abilities, warmth, or generosity. Jobs, from second-hand accounts, was the same. They’re ambitious, unscrupulous and arrogant, but capable of hiding it well enough when needed to be exceptionally persuasive salesmen. I’m better than them in every other way.
More to the point, Eric Drexler is better than them (and me) in all those ways. He’s in a different, higher class than Ralph Merkle, too, who spent what should have been the best part of his career on molecular nanotechnology, but now is known for the much less important “Merkle tree” basis of cryptocurrencies (which you’ll notice didn’t make him a billionaire). So, just from that last point, you’re wrong.
Carver Mead attempted to follow Shockley in transitioning from Academia to putting his ideas into action. Having written the book, found the company. For whatever reason, nothing much happened, and he went back into Academia.
What did happen is that his ideas were put into action, made into real silicon, by the Fairchidren, who are engineers who trained under engineers who trained under Shockley. So it is not like the Fairchildren stole Carver Mead’s ideas. Carver Mead founded a company, got nowhere fast, the Fairchildren founded companies, got somewhere.
His problem may have been that he was not a big enough asshole to herd cats, but seeing how this repeats over and over and over again, I think his problem was that he was not trained under a real engineer in how to make transistors real.
You over value good ideas – hard to tell how good an idea is until implemented, and in implementing it, the lone genius CEO has to reinvent it extensively. Musk’s rocket ships are Heinlein’s rocket ships, but everyone rightly gives Musk, not Heinlein, the credit.
Good ideas are worth two cents a bale, provided they are already baled. Making good ideas real is hard. I know this full well, being full of good ideas myself.
Shockley was part of a group of academics who came up with the idea of the transistor, but Shockley made it real, and in order for it to become real, he had to be the CEO.
You complain that people with bright ideas are not adequately rewarded. They should not be rewarded, except through the prestige that accrues within the group interested in discussing those good ideas.
Everything Steve Jobs came up with was in the air, but only Steve Jobs could do what he did. Only Shockley could do what he did, for no end of other people attempted to do what he did, Carver Mead among them, and as did the group that Academia piously credits as collectively inventing the transistor.
The academic history is false. One man invented the transistor, and that man was Shockley. And proof of this is that all transistors are descended from and engineer who trained under an engineer who trained under an engineer … who trained under Shockley. If good ideas could do it, if academia could do it, if Shockley stole his colleagues ideas, well, lots of other people could equally steal those ideas, and we would see transistors that are not descended from Shockley. We would see silicon chips descended from Carver Mead.
We don’t see silicon chips descended from Carver Mead. He had go, went nowhere. Havard built good radars during the war – having conscripted Hewlett and Packard and confiscated their stuff. When, after the war, Packard and other lowly mere CEOs went home, Harvard radar strangely went nowhere fast.
Nasa tried to build rockets during the war. Failed. At the end of the war, kidnapped Wernher von Braun. He knew how to build rockets, he had successfully built rockets, he cooperated fully, but Nasa’s rockets still did not fly. So they put him in charge and told everyone to treat him respect. Then their rockets flew.
Which is why good ideas are worth two cents a bale, but only if already baled. If just anyone could make a good idea real, given someone else’s good idea, Nasa’s rockets would have flown, and we would see silicon chips built by engineers who trained under Mead.
Nasa attempted copy Wernher von Braun’s good ideas. He was their prisoner. He cooperated fully. Still got nowhere. Could not give effect to someone’s else’s good idea.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.
If your story has any basis in fact, give us some primary sources.
Every silicon chip everywhere is made by an engineer who trained under an engineer who trained under an engineer … who trained under Shockley when he was CEO of the business that produced the first transistors.
No silicon chip anywhere is made by an engineer who trained under Carver Mead
>There is no market for invention licensing.
And by and large, there shouldn’t be. Few things are greater retardants for innovation and development of society in general than the patent system.
“Few things are greater retardants for innovation and development of society in general than the patent system.”
True, but that’s by design. OTOH, if inventors don’t get paid, no one gets their ideas, at least not from the ones who are smart enough to figure out that the system is designed to screw them 100% of the time.
Contrast the expense, lifetime, and ease of getting paid of other sorts of intellectual property: trade secret, copyright and trademark, but especially copyright. Inventors produce more value than authors, musicians, or even programmers — far more than publishers, record labels or film studios, who really benefit most from copyright — yet are not only uncompensated but effectively punished. There isn’t even any real status from inventing.
It could be different, better valuation and compensation schemes for originating and stages of developing technical ideas are easily conceivable. The system is functioning as designed, though, just like public education, the courts, or the other parts of government — the real goals are not the ostensible goals.
But, back on topic: there is a dysfunctional market for patents, but there is none for inventions. You can actually make a company that creates and maybe gets paid for patents, but the money comes from long expensive lawsuits, and goes to parasites, not making more inventions. You cannot make a company or even a living from inventing, there is no market for unpatented inventions, not because they have no value — they account for nearly all value, counting the stock of them that has been built over the millennia and gives value to land, labor, and money; which in fact allows the population to be 100,000 times what it was before stone tools. The problem is that disruptive inventions make existing technologies obsolete and make investments in those technologies worthless — not only financial investments, but investments in work experience, and with the loss of money, job and pension goes status and life.
The basis of civilization, even culture, is specialization of work, and invention is the most valuable work for civilization as a whole, but this specialization among all others is not only uncompensated but effectively punished.
Inventions are worthless. Inventors are worthless.
The talent to invent something and make working implementations in reasonable quantities at a reasonable price is rare. Inventors are two a penny and should shoveling manure instead of wasting their time inventing. Inventing is easy, because an inventor is an idiot who knows nothing about the task giving advice to someone who is actually attempting to accomplish the task.
As Musk said, designing a facility that can make a rocket is ten times as hard as designing a rocket. All the ideas that Musk’s rockets embody have been around for decades, but no one else could build them in reasonable quantities at a reasonable price and make them work.
Let anyone who wants to have a go at a good idea, have a go – if they can.
Coordinating smart men to complete projects that can only be done by multiple geniuses is not parasitism at all. Not a single individual genius rocket scientist could have made Starship happen, and making geniuses work together is like herding cats. Making Starship happen is called leadership. Hate male leadership, hate the natural order, want to kill me and my family. Usually goes like that.
Labour is easy. Ideas are also easy. But organization, that is hardest of all.
Those mattoidic control-freaks among us – at times called in latter years ‘communists’ – handwave in perfect thoughtlessness any logistical concerns of mere reality as trivial and immaterial; in their solipsistic mode of engagement with Being, all that matters is to hold an Idea, express a Will for something, and thus Being ought to spontaneously proceed itself in accordance with that Will; and if it ever so happens that Being just so happens to fail to proceed itself in accordance with the solipsist’s mere will, it can only because there are non-believers who are failing to share the Idea, and are thus emmanating disruptive mind-static preventing Being from so spontaneously proceeding.
Tens of millions of dollars are spent in NASA to fail to do what SpaceX does at a fraction of the budget; which is put rockets into space. Elon Musk, Star Prophet, is doing what, empirically, very few other men are capable of doing, which is help lift Civilization up closer to joining the stars. And he richly deserves to get a huge fortune through it, and honors and glories – money itself, being a representation of the power or potency required to achieve something; renumeration, a reflection of that which does facilitate greater potency.
Cornelius Vanderbilt amassed a huge fortune building a train network across America; and he richly deserved to get a huge fortune for it, and honors and glories; because before him, there was no train network, and after him, there was a train network. Miraculous Blessings. He got rich because he created value, because he created an organization that created value, increased the potency potential of the broader society he participated in.
We all ostensibly have the benefit of standing on the shoulders of giants; curiously, we seem to find no shortage of people who elect not to do so. NASA also ostensibly has everything NASA used to do. You’re going to need to adopt a more nuanced theory because that one fails (on purpose) to explain why they can’t do what Musk can do; why they can’t do what *they were once able to do*.
Jim foresees holiness spiraling into French Revolution/Bolshevik/Khmer Rouge style bloodletting. Moldbug think that’s not happening because everyone is too low energy. He points to the great masses who once belonged to para-political organizations like the Wide Awakes. Contemporary American civic participation is lower than it has ever been, which points away from any intense spiral.
I often wonder which of them is right.
The left doesn’t seem to have derived any energy from Moldbug’s appearance on Tucker Carlson’s show. This seems a point in favor of his theory. If the left were intensifying, this would be a perfect excuse for extreme action. Yet they largely ignored it.
To be clear, in Moldbug’s model, the left grows ever lefter, pettier, crueler, more incompetent and crabbier (tranny drag queen child sacrifices NOW) but it can’t spiral into the outright slaughter apparent in previous revolutions because the commissars are too unmanned for such action. Ruby Ridge and Waco took place in the 90s. The Malheur Wildlife Refuge standoff ended without any deaths.
> The left doesn’t seem to have derived any energy from Moldbug’s appearance on Tucker Carlson’s show.
Moldbug has been a namefag for a while and that makes most of what he says relatively muted. He’s not such a big threat to them, he kisses their ass so to speak, plus not that many people really know who he is.
> but it can’t spiral into the outright slaughter apparent in previous revolutions because the commissars are too unmanned for such action.
That appears to be the case. Because the power of the USG and its ability to project violence and organize effectively is decaying faster than the left is spiralling.
This might not be that great though, if they are not defeated and instead we just continue indefinite moral decline while nobody is strong enough to actually take them down, because they are ever more demoralized and low energy.
But yeah, they would like to kill us, but where does the left get the manpower to do that directly? The more they progress, the more they undermine that, and it’s already been undermined substantially. The Afghanistan collapse might be the best thing that happened in a long time.
I tend to think Moldbug is right and Jim is wrong. The French Revolution/Bolshevik/Khmer Rouge all happened in still developing societies/empires with military-capable regime forces mass murdering with brutal competence.
Our situation more closely tracks with the collapse of the Roman Empire, where military competence of the regime is decreasing by the day as it becomes less Christian white male and more of a non-white diversity jobs program .
There certainly may be, and likely will be, democide, genocide, and murder but I predict it will be more along the lines of Zimbabwe/South Africa style black mob killings of isolated white farmers, not the Khmer Rougue, as society devolves into Third World barbarism.
as it’s fighting force becomes less Christian white male*
They’re enforcing vaccine mandates on a huge scale. Their demon worshipping religion is growing in power and mass murdering people in hospitals.
We have 2 things going on: The old leftist group is losing competence and declining. They have a new religion which is demands human sacrifices and all the young kids have been indoctrinated in Communism which is rapidly growing in power.
The left is low energy because men are not getting laid for supporting the religion and they’re most vocal supporters are women desperately seeking the alpha males behind the power being displayed. The right is also low energy for the same reason. We’re far more likely to suffer a bronze age style complete collapse than anything else if we don’t have a Cesar/Stalin or a new religion.
The bronze age collapse was far far worse than anything we’ve seen in history. At least 80% of the civilized population was wiped out.
Was the Bronze Age Collapse all that much different than the Fall of the Western Roman Empire? I just assumed both events were similar in nature with similar results. Most of the Roman cities were basically wiped out by barbarian hordes weren’t they?
That’s a really good point.
Approximately 1600 years between the Bronze Age Collapse and the Fall of the Roman Empire with both events, and our current decline now, all happening for approximately the same reasons (female emancipation).
1600 years forward the Fall of the Roman Empire puts us now at around the time where a civilizational collapse event is due in Western history and an argument could be made that our collapse could be the most spectacular and harsh yet seen given the nature of our holiness spiral.
now give or take a few centuries*
Alfred, where are they enforcing vaccine mandates on a huge scale?
At least in Europe they are only using a mixture of propaganda and bullying. Pretty easy not be vaccinated. Would be difficult if they were to enforce it like a military draft in peace, very difficult if they were to enforce it like a military draft in war.
Things are only enforced when saying the word “no” doesn’t help
Hm, how about Frace? https://freewestmedia.com/2021/10/06/france-introduces-bill-to-mandate-covid-19-vaccinations-for-all-from-january-1-2022/
They’ve been VaxPassing everyone for a while, now about to literally cop-at-your-door force inject.
France introduced a bill, maybe the bill will become law maybe not. If so, maybe it will be enforced, maybe not.
There are lots of laws in France that are not enforced, for example a ban on burqas. Anyway a fine of 135 EUR is low enough that anyone who seriously does not want to get the clot shot will risk being fined.
I find it hard to decypher Yarvin’s predictions. Sometimes he indicates a possible peaceful transfer of power, sometimes he predicts decades of stability, sometimes he predicts instability.
Jim’s predictions are much easier to understand. The French revolution mass murder styles have been discussed here before, and we are updating our understanding as time goes by. We aren’t a military capable society, yet we have a very active holiness spiral. How does that develop?
If our ruling class would be full mother earthism, it could have been another communist revolution where the bourgeouisie and capitalists would have been replaced with polluters and corporations. But they are too heavy into bioleninism, and the general societal rot has been going on too long. Seems to me we are looking at decay, at the falling apart of civilization. Which, in my humble opinion of course, Jim has been talking about quite clearly.
Yes, this is not to minimize Jim at all. His clear and concise insight into a variety of outcomes and eventualities for the West has been invaluable.
I would say Jim and Yarvin are in agreement on just about everything important. Yarvin takes forever to get to the point whereas Jim is clear and direct, but their final points are not all that much in disagreement.
Yarvin was clear and direct at the end of the Tucker interview, however. His best case is Caesar (which Jim agrees with). His worst case we get the Fall of the Western Roman Empire (Jim’s worst case is the Khmer Rougue), and this is where I agree with Yarvin.
We are not going to get Caesar, because we are nothing like the society that produced Caesar, which had essentially privatized armies personally loyal to their generals. Caesar was a particularly successful general who had just returned from a massive genocidal conquest that nearly doubled the territory controlled by Rome. No one in America today is in anything like his position.
We do, however, fit the late Roman Empire to a T, with the Church of Harvard instead of the Church of Christ, but there are plenty of ways that the fifth century could have gone much better or much worse for Rome. The goalposts are not Caesar and Odoacer, but Justinian and Attila. (A Hun victory would probably have been about as bad as the Bronze Age Collapse, though it is hard to say.)
If you are praying for the eradication of the Church of Harvard, however, you should probably be praying for more violence and destruction rather than less. The Roman state church continued on its merry way through the fall of the Empire, and even in the fall of Bronze Age Greece, where the entire writing system disappeared from use (suggesting the systematic murder of the priestly class), the names and forms of their gods changed hardly at all after the collapse.
Theology, on the other hand, seems almost totally orthogonal to teachings about the material world; there were left- and right-wing strains within Christianity from the beginning; as Roman society declined the left-wing parts became dominant, but after the collapse and restoration the same symbols and texts were used to justify right-wing ideas instead. (Leftist Catholics love to quote writers from the fifth century, who rather like today’s leftists act as though their church is small and persecuted when in fact it had nearly total control over Roman society.) Looking purely at the historical analogy, the likeliest outcome seems to be that reverence for Science and Experts remains the dominant system of epistemology after the next restoration, but we make sure that the scientists do actual science and the experts have actual expertise.
There have always been demonic factions within the church, among the most notable the Universalist faction with their chief heretic the accursed Origen, whose significance accounts for the sizable Progressive faction within Orthodoxy attempting to cast doubt upon the Fifth Council which condemned him.
Apostates and entryists bend scripture and the words of the saints to fit Progressive narratives. Demon worshipers excel in this regard, yet upon reading original sources one quickly discovers the saints asserting the opposite of what the enemies of the church ascribe to them. I am unfamiliar with the Roman Catholic sphere, but enemies in Orthodoxy twist the words of St. Isaac the Syrian and St. Gregory of Nyssa as supporting Universalism.
There is no such thing as a “Leftist Catholic†in the same way there is no such thing as a “Buddhist Muslim†or a “Shinto Protestant,†as combining systems with alternating ideological and moral axes necessitates subsuming one over the other. The “Leftist Catholic†dons the vestments of Catholicism just as a real Catholic sets up a Christmas tree.
Catholicism is by nature internationalism and demon worship. Anything that advocates supremacy of some international priest ruler is demon worship. There have been a couple popes who did good things (I like Urban II and Julius II) but the general nature of Catholicism remains.
Also bad ruling class Catholics tend to be really really bad eggs. Worse than Jews. No singular Jew ever hurt his country quite as much as Tony Blair, Von Papen, Ted Kennedy and Fauci hurt theirs. They can’t be trusted because they are very much potentially dual loyalists.
https://archive.org/download/roman-catholicism-paul-vi-nervi-hall-serpent-building-28/Roman%20Catholicism%20-%20Paul%20VI%20-%20Nervi%20Hall%20-%20Serpent%20Building%2028.jpg
I’m not talking about Universalism. A lot of leftists promote Universalism with respect to Christianity in order to undermine it, but they are certainly not Universalists with respect to their own religion; if they believed in hell, all of us evil bad racists would certainly be going there.
It is probably true that the modern leftcath is a regime loyalist first and a Christian second, or at least is trying to avoid being called an evil bad racist, but my point was that in the late Roman Empire (just to give one example) racism was also evil and bad *for explicitly Christian reasons*; what demon was Theodosius the “Great” worshipping when he let all those Goths settle in the empire? And of course Christian socialism goes all the way back to the Acts of the Apostles, wherein there is a scene plausibly interpreted as St. Peter executing two people for owning private property, and it it not really reasonable to call St. Peter an entryist.
You can call certain interpretations heretical or condemned by such-and-such, but my point is that there is a facially reasonable interpretation of Christianity that is quite leftist, that was common in the first large-scale Christian society, and, to the extent that it was ever condemned at all, was only condemned at the behest of emperors trying to keep said society from falling apart, which is to say, of course, that it was condemned by a standard external to Christianity itself.
There were a great many “interpretations†of Christianity condemned by the church as heresies. Progressivism is secular Universalism, a modern Christian heresy descending from Puritanism; this is Moldbug 101, I assume everyone commenting on this blog is at least familiar with his shibboleths.
This is the contemporary Leftist interpretation of the early Christians which lies in contrast to established church teaching and doctrine. If an Orthodox Christian fails to accept any of the seven councils he is automatically separated from the church. Even the Protestants are most of the time not insane enough to reject the first, even if they reject the other six. The Emperors may have convened the Councils, but the decisions of the Councils were made by priests in consensus each a conclusion of longstanding theological disputes in the church, for example the Origenist Controversies and Saint Athanasius Against the World.
Responding to the two examples, Valens let in the Goths, not Theodosius, the latter of whom was unable to drive them out as his post-Adrianople conscript peasant armies proved ineffective against Gothic nobles. Old-type Christians were more “classist” than “racist,” but “racism†is a modern term invented by Trotsky. Acts Communism was limited to Acts alone, not a moral proclamation set until the end of time.
Jim’s Summary of Acts Communism
My original point was that Leftists are not of God; they are heretics of their father the devil, whether or not their heresies are “reasonable.â€
“Responding to the two examples, Valens let in the Goths, not Theodosius”
You are being extremely misleading when you say this.
Valens let them cross the Danube disarmed and put in camps basically (which were probably administered far more corruptly than he would like leading to the Gothic escape and revolt). Theodosius the faggot let them settle wholesale under arms.
Jim’s explanation of Acts communism appears to be that it was abandoned because it did not work in practice, which is exactly what I meant by “a standard external to Christianity”. Perhaps I overstated the role of the emperors (obviously Paul was not one), but you are understating it; the council which condemned Origen, for example, convened after Justinian had already issued an edict ordering all of his writings to be burned. They were hardly going to then decide that he was actually great. The Western councils that happened without emperors were mostly unrestrained priestly power grabs; for example the Council of Trent, which began the disastrous error of imagining marriage to be the result of a ceremony done by a priest rather than the state of sexual ownership of the wife by the husband.
If you are trying to turn underground cult X into a workable state religion, and you have to condemn interpretations of X for being excessively, rather than insufficiently, holy, then you are building on a foundation of sand. If the supernatural claims of Christianity are true, then there is no such thing as excessive holiness, because the next world is infinitely greater than this one, and we should be scorning this sinful earth, not worrying about restoring civilization or acquiring family and property. If the supernatural claims of Christianity are false, then I don’t see why the ideal amount of Christian holiness should be greater than none.
Nuts.
That is gnosticism.
Which which point of gnostic doctrine somewhat resembles monasticism, but the two are fundamentally very different, and surviving monastic orders have been careful to avoid that heresy, while variants of monasticism that fell into that heresy rapidly became ever more evil and insane, and eventually disappeared.
You are not supposed to scorn this sinful earth, any more than you are supposed to commit suicide to go to heaven faster.
On the contrary, parable of the talents, you are supposed to develop earthly excellence to the best of your capability. To those who whom much was given, much is demanded.
While this was expected, Fëanor continues to a priori presuppose demonic holiness-spiraling heresies as true Christianity ignoring substantive argument.
Relating to the previously mentioned Origenist Controversies, St. Epiphanius of Salamis, St. Jerome and Pope Theophilus of Alexandria were among the many influential Early Christians who opposed Origen’s heresies. One of many objectives of the Ecumenical Councils was putting end to longstanding theological disputes, the Fifth Council doing so regarding that surrounding Origen. My replies did not “understate†the role of the emperors in the formation of the councils. To put this in perspective, if Fëanor found Arianism “reasonable†he might decry the Councils as Emperors putting stopgaps on “real Christianity†and ignore my would-be referrals to St. Irenaeus and St. Athanasius.
Orthodox Christianity views Theosis as the highest spiritual goal of man, attained by fasting, prayer, virtue and order. Since morality is interpersonal, this goal extends from the individual to the collective. As Gnostic/Universalist/etc. heretical interpretations of Acts do not lead to higher virtue in society these views are rejected. Monks are required to relinquish their possessions, but this practice does not extend outside the monasteries.
Because Orthodoxy bases doctrine from an established authority, heretics and apostates always begin their arguments by poisoning the well with respect to church teaching and doctrine. Critiquing Christianity is fine, but presupposing Orthodox Christianity as Gnosticism/Universalism/etc. in opposition to the established church is dishonest. If Fëanor wishes to believe “true Christianity†as Gnosticism, that is solely his own individual opinion.
Regarding the linked video, thank you for recommending TIK. It is my understanding that Theodosius was unable to destroy the Goths after Adrianople, so how would he have disarmed them? Turning the Goths into Foederati was a bad decision in hindsight, but what else could he have done?
>Jim’s explanation of Acts communism appears to be that it was abandoned because it did not work in practice, which is exactly what I meant by “a standard external to Christianityâ€
The standard is Creation, Divine Law, Nature or Nature’s God. If your definition of ‘christianity’ places that ‘outside of christianity’, then such is not Christianity, it is the daemons you are possessed by.
neofugue,
You are clearly better educated than me on the historical specifics, so I will refrain from arguing those until I’ve read more. And I will take back what I said about monastics, since obviously if the goal is to get everyone to Heaven, you do not want the faith to die out of the world.
However, my original contention was merely that the New Testament lends itself to multiple interpretations, and the decision of which interpretation to condemn and which to elevate was, in the case of issues affecting the material world, made on the basis of natural law, common sense, and memetic natural selection (i.e. Gnostics failed to cooperate and/or reproduce, so their ideas died out), all of which can be derived and understood without reference to Christianity. Thus, my critique of Christianity is that it is both incomplete and unnecessary as a basis for civilization. I have no argument with people who have genuine faith in the supernatural aspects, as long as they do not holiness spiral, but I am arguing against the notion that belief in the supernatural is necessary for a healthy civilization.
The logos acts through material and effective causation, but what is the final cause? It makes a difference if society makes the unfalsifiable claim that the final cause is the will of God.
A rational atheist validly can make empirical arguments for cooperate/cooperate equilibrium, but that does not cause it to happen.
As I said, the people hunger for a state faith, and are being fed stones instead of bread. In the vacuum left by the collapse of old type Christianity, demons roam. Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global warming, communism, and the rest are replacements.
Suppose I wish to convince a contractor that I will make reasonable progress payments as progress proceeds, and will immediately pay the final lump sum payment on completion and inspection.
Well I could say that it is my rational self interest, but what is in my rational self interest is not cooperate/cooperate equilibrium, but defection on a cooperator.
And if I truthfully tell him that I do in fact act that way, my merely saying so will increase any doubts he may have.
Constant briefly addresses the issue that the definitions of good and evil need to be public and the subject of social consensus.
This obviously has the problem that the definition is likely to be destructively manipulated, as for example Jewish legalism, now as in the time of Christ.
So, as an individual, you have to announce commitment to and reference an older definition. Much older.
I address this briefly from time to time in the comments, and I addressed it at somewhat greater length in the Logos Has Risen.
If I want to persuade a contractor that I will pay promptly on completion of inspection, and will make appropriate progress payments from time to time, I reference old testament on prompt payment, “At his day thou shalt give him his hire, neither shall the sun go down upon it” and then say “I interpret this as …”
This frames us as fellow members of a tribe, whose supreme alpha male has commanded cooperate/cooperate equilibrium.
And similarly, when I want to tell my wife my expectations of how our relationship should be, I quote Saint Paul.
Even in this day and age, demons, whether they be real or metaphorical, still turn their tails and flee from the cross.
What does it mean to say that a merely metaphorical demon turns its tail and flees? It means that when there is a conflict between current year morality, and the morality that you in fact follow, and you explicitly reference the older tradition, the interlocutor who wants to impose the current year consensus on you is unmanned.
Pseudo-Chrysostom,
When I say that natural law is external to Christianity, I mean that I can understand it without belief in or reference to Christianity, not that orthodox Christianity doesn’t admit its existence.
Well then your point is a toothless triviality.
You probably can’t, since presumably you are a europoid male born and raised in the occident, and thus therefore have no initiatory access to mediating social superstructures of another Gnon-tested and Gnon-approved Tradition, and such in any case would not be coherent with your particular constitution as a europoid man anyways.
Fëanor,
Without discernment one unconsciously absorbs the thoughts of the demonic leading to him falling astray. Quoting Orthodox Hieromonk Seraphim Rose, “the Antichrist is not to be found in the deniers, but in the small affirmers whose Christ is only on the lips.†The words of Progs are poison, temptations of the Evil One, and should one be forced to interact with them he must hold steadfast in the knowledge of God that everything they say is a lie. During one of the most tumultuous periods of the Early Church nearly every bishop was of the Arian heresy, and the faith was guarded by Saint Athanasius, often known as Saint Athanasius Against the World. The church prevailed and as a result Arianism is confined to the dustbin of history.
Not only are Natural Law and “common sense†(Foundationalism) Christian concepts, they arise from the Summa of Thomas Aquinas. As a clarification, Orthodoxy does not accept Natural Law as it has its own system of knowledge, but that is for another discussion. The problem with claiming that Natural Law can be understood without Christianity is that concepts cannot be purely derived from their material associations; in other words, science is real, but did science tell you that?
Well said.
Progressive Christians are not Christians, any more than the Christian priesthood that subsumed Saturnalia into Christmas were pagans.
The biggest inherent conflict between progressivism and Christianity is sex. Christianity not only forbids homosexuality, but requires women to perform the female role, men to perform the male role, demands to subordination of women to their husbands, forbids women from speaking in church or teaching males, forbids serial monogamy (which has long been interpreted as forbidding polygyny, though the New Testament merely recommends that priests be recruited from men with well behaved children practicing monogyny. Nothing in the New Testament forbids polygyny for the laity. Since there were a lot of Jewish Christians, there would have been a lot of men with more than one wife in the congregation, and there is nothing clearly forbidding an already recruited priest who has successfully and monogynously raised well behaved children from marrying some additional wives, provided he does not abandon, neglect, or mistreat the wife of his youth.
Paul notes the inherent moral frailty of women, but says they will be “saved in childbearing”, which in context only makes sense if “childbearing” is a synecdoche for the female role, childbearing being the most difficult and dangerous burden of the female role – or as I would say it, a good woman is good at being a woman, and if you expect her to be a good man, you will be very disappointed. Paul tells us that women are bad men, but that a good woman will receive salvation, despite the fact that she is a bad man.
Christianity inherently has very different moral expectations of men and women.
There is plenty of good in this comment, but I must politely draw the line at polygyny.
The Bible is not the sole source of authority in Christianity; we interpret scripture through the lens of the fathers and keep the traditions of the Church.
Quoting Saint Basil Letter 188:
“In the case of trigamy and polygamy they laid down the same rule, in proportion, as in the case of digamy; namely one year for digamy (some authorities say two years); for trigamy men are separated for three and often for four years; but this is no longer described as marriage at all, but as polygamy; nay rather as limited fornication. It is for this reason that the Lord said to the woman of Samaria, who had five husbands, he whom thou now hast is not your husband. He does not reckon those who had exceeded the limits of a second marriage as worthy of the title of husband or wife. In cases of trigamy we have accepted a seclusion of five years, not by the canons, but following the precept of our predecessors. Such offenders ought not to be altogether prohibited from the privileges of the Church; they should be considered deserving of hearing after two or three years, and afterwards of being permitted to stand in their place; but they must be kept from the communion of the good gift, and only restored to the place of communion after showing some fruit of repentance.”
In other words, the Church has decided that polygamy is now abrogated and this decision is final, disregarding any individual opinion one has regarding the woman of Samaria or any other opinion of a Saint. Taking multiple wives is forbidden by the church and offenders are required to repent.
Fair enough, we have to respect the authority of the communion of saints, or else we wind up going full protestant and reinventing Christianity at alarmingly frequent intervals.
Nonetheless Origen and Saint Basil were early faggot entryists, and shortly after taking power, the Church had a lot of them.
Most of their crap was quietly undone during and after the fall of the Roman Empire in the west, but this one stuck around. It undeniably has the consensus of communion of the Saints. I wish it did not, but unsticking this one would to unstick Christianity, and also would open the door for the problem the Muslims have – involuntary celibacy of worthy men because some guys hog all the women, resulting in massive breach of a rather stronger and more fundamental Christian requirement – the prohibition of faggotry. The need to solve the faggot problem started the Taliban, and repeatedly led to their victory, but because of the polygynous example set by Mohammed, they don’t really have a solution.
We have to ensure equitable distribution of pussy, and the Christian solution does ensure it.
Polygyny? But your whole ideology presuposses the need for enforced monogamy!
Also, price control leads to shortages, i.e. female infanticide.
Polygamy is vexing question inasmuch as no laws prohibit it in the Old Testament (though it frequently seems to be a source of strife) but the Church clearly frowns upon it. I’m thinking monogamy is an ascetic practice, like fasting. If you’re in a position to have multiple women, *not* doing so is an act of turning your mind from gluttonous carnal excess to instead focus on spiritual matters.
St. Paul’s main argument on the superiority of celibacy to marriage is that married men necessarily focus on pleasing their wives whereas the unmarried are free to focus on pleasing God. Presumably, multiple wives would provide even more of a distraction, as in case of King Solomon.
If someone claims to believe in property rights, but also believes that a business owner has an obligation to pay his employees a “living wage”, rather than the market value of their labor, and that the state should prevent any one man from accumulating too much property so that everyone can have some, does he believe in property rights, or is he a socialist?
This is an actual position on property rights in land and capital held by many of the Christians I am calling “leftist”, not an analogy for the Christian position on sex, although it is, obviously, analogous.
Interesting points.
A fair case for polygamy can be made. I saw an interview with Khabib Nurmagomedov’s father, who rank among the most famous muslims in the world, and he was quite civilly explaining that Khabib, once he has taken care of his first wive and their children, would be perfectly capable of taking a second wife and family. Personally I’d feel several wives would be more than a handful to handle, but hey, plenty of men pulling it off.
The case against polygyny is that it is an unstable equilibrium — if one man has two women, another man has zero women. So either you are always conquering other tribes (Islam) or stealing other women (Mormons I think?). So monogamy is the most ‘fair’ solution.
Of course in practice some men will have more women naturally gravitating towards them, and sometimes those men will be in a natural position to afford those extra women. Which is just the way it is. The fair compromise to me seems that a mistress is fine, if it is kept on the low. Louis XIV is an example of how not to do that.
Also, I think in the OT God says it’s OK to have a second wife if your first does not bear you any children. Something to say for that as well.
Women ought to be owned by their husbands, but that does not make them property like all other commodities. Unless under demon-worship, people raise and protect their daughters irrespective of bride-price, resorting to paying off men to marry them, and as such women are the only “property†traded in negative prices, formalized as dowries.
Responding to Alf’s point, St. Basil allows divorce in the case of adultery or infertility. The main reason why certain individuals and groups (outside of overtly polygamous faiths such as Islam) practice polygamy today, for example the fundamentalist Mormons, is because central governments prevent disaffected males from taking action and killing polygamist males.
Christianity at the time of the fall was essentially healthy, being red-pilled on the differences of the sexes and pro-natalist, no? It’s not surprising that it carried on even after the Roman Imperial regime came to an end.
What we have now is a completely inverted strain of the former, being built on lies of the material world and anti-natalist. I assumed it could not possibly continue on without the regime propping it up, given that its adherents don’t reproduce and rely heavily on state-sponsered indoctrination.
You bring up an interesting point however, that collapse of the empire doesn’t necessarily mean the end of globohomo or the eradication of all aspects of the progressive faith. It could certainly mutate further and survive. We are seeing that in South Africa today, where the black ruling party of the ANC seems to be maintaining the black worship cult of progressivism but trending more toward Maoist communism instead of globohomo pride flags.
> Christianity at the time of the fall was essentially healthy, being red-pilled on the differences of the sexes and pro-natalist, no?
In AD 458 the emperor Majorian passed a law prohibiting women under the age of 40 from becoming nuns, because there was an elite fertility crisis caused in part by the aristocratic families sending too many daughters to the convents, presumably to signal their superior holiness. Since only a vanishingly small proportion of women are capable of remaining consecrated virgins, this was also turning the convents into whorehouses. (I am not sure that there was ever an age in which convents were not whorehouses, but it was even worse then.) Replace convents with universities, of course, and you have an exact description of our present situation.
Female emancipation in the late Roman Empire was widespread and disastrous, as in the infamous case of Grata Honoria. The Church never precisely condoned this, as far as I know, but the position of many of the late-Imperial Church Fathers is the incel blackpill position, that women are evil temptresses, not the redpill position, that they are wonderful as long as they are under male authority. This is, of couse, exactly what you would expect from mandating priestly celibacy. Which, I will add, almost certainly contributed to the final extinction of the Roman aristocracy, which after the barbarian takeover had no opportunity for advancement except to join the clergy, which prohibited them legitimate children.
It is a mixed bag; the situation was never nearly as bad as it is today, but the restoration of patriarchy was due to the barbarians, not the Church.
My point was that the religion based on lies about the material world will have to be replaced with one based on truths about the material world. Widespread belief in the supernatural is likely dead and not coming back.
Overtly supernatural beliefs are certainly out of fashion. But supernatural ideas thinly disguised as natural beliefs are overwhelmingly strong and widespread, as for example “all men are created equal”
The crushing of Christianity has created a vacuum, filled by demonic supernatural ideas for example the Marxist “History”.
If you look at rock music videos, and assorted public hysterias, it is clear that people are hungry for religion, and instead of giving them bread, our society is giving them stones.
In the stones, you see people’s hunger reflected
https://youtu.be/sXxktLAsBPo?t=674
And what they are hungry for is an authoritative state religion, in which their participation as a congregation matters. As for example the overtly religious stuff about the Covid vax.
We can feed them with natural law Christianity, that the logos manifests through material and effective causation
I am aware that magical thinking and religious hysteria remain common among women and the low IQ, and have little hope of this changing. However, state religions are primarily about the conformity of the elite, and I may have higher standards for my elite, in that I expect them to believe true things about the material world and disbelieve false ones.
This is almost completely orthogonal to one’s beliefs about the Resurrection, life after death, or any other supernatural occurrence. I am quite capable of causing myself to believe in such things when it provides me material benefits, for example when I was dating a Catholic girl, but I see no reason to make such belief mandatory.
What is the position of “natural law Christianity” on the origins of Man?
1. Man was created in a state of perfect innocence, free from suffering and death, and fell from this state by sin.
2. Man was once an ape, even more violent, savage, and stupid than he is now, and acquired (unequally) intelligence and the capacity for cooperation by natural selection in a harsh environment.
If the former, it is not natural law. If the latter, not Christianity.
You can try to create a religion that combines Christian beliefs about the next world with scientific, Darwinian beliefs about this one, and I suppose doing so is not entirely without purpose, but I’m not sure how much existing old type Christians will be on board.
Internet atheists are high IQ, but unable to cooperate.
In order to accomplish anything, you have to make a leap of faith. How do you know that proof by induction is true?
Well, you just assume it is true, as well as a whole lot of other entirely unfalsifiable assumptions, because otherwise you are not going to get anywhere.
This is the old much shopworn internet atheist argument on the first three chapters of the book of genesis. Leading Christian Fathers have been treating the first three chapters as spiritually true, but not actual history and geography, for two millenia. You are attacking, not Christianity, but a straw man.
That is a hill that Christians have declined to die on for two millenia.
It’s been a long time since i’ve seen an ‘internet atheist’ on the tubes – ‘owning the fundies’ isn’t the bleeding edge of sociopathic status maximizing anymore, everyone’s moved on to bigger and better leftisms now, and any that stuck around suddenly found themselves as targets for insufficient holiness (too white, too male).
Good to see that the age old observations hold true as ever though; the ‘internet athesist’ isn’t just any kind of ‘atheist’, but a *christian* apostate specifically; and not just any kind of christian, but *evangelical protestantism* specifically; such is the worldview they unconsciously operate from.
Don’t know whether it was Moldbug specifically but early Reaction had a bit of an epiphany.
View 1: Man is created in the image of God. Unfortunately, he is fallen or corrupted.
View 2: Man is slipshod creature attempting to wrest cooperation from a defect/defect (or entropic) natural world.
The epiphany was that these concepts map onto each other quite nicely when trying to live in our present world. When the PUAs fished up data on female need and desire to be owned, the religious remembered that was what their holy books had taught all along. And so on.
https://radishmag.wordpress.com/2014/09/22/reign-of-reason/
Surely ends in murder and violence but I see it as black mobs coming to kill isolated whites as we are seeing in South Africa, instead of French Revolution-style mass murder.
Yea seems fair. For Europe will probably resemble ethnic mobs like mocros or gypsies or whatever.
But first it seems hyperinflation, stock shortages, failing technology and power cuts are on their way.
Agreed. It is still a long way down the hill from the 1st World to the 3rd World. We aren’t there yet, but it seems to be quite clearly on its way.
The thing is, once we reach the point where that’s common enough in the US itself, we’ve reached the point where anything resembling the current world economic system has long since ceased to function. But if we’ve got to that point, who’s feeding the black mobs? You need military capability to keep the shipping lanes open and the lights on. Absent white men, there’s no one left who can manage it. It seems less revolutionary mass murder and more wholesale societal collapse at that point.
That’s a fair point and leads credence to Jim’s assessment that we may be in for quite a rough dark age.
The millions of white Americans who own half a million guns, and are probably on average better shots than POs and E’s, will be quite happy, in a US with a collapsing economy, to be paid to guard sea ports, power stations, trucks, and trains. Perhaps it will be the homo regime paying them to feed nogs and keep the lights on. But they will de facto rule the areas they protect, and sooner or later one will realize it.
That is the plan of the deep state, which thinks that it governs: Brezhnevian stagnation.
That is what they think is going to happen. That is the outcome they expect and intend to bring about.
But they have summoned demons.
Yes, they have summoned demons, but the summoner are pathetic. Unless they get significantly less pathetic very quickly, they are the only souls that their demons will get to eat. Their ability to project violence is collapsing about as fast as their ability to provide widespread cohesion. The Aztecs knew how to organize and had a pretty decent warrior class, and yet they got wiped out anyway. Would Cortez have that much trouble if he landed on the shores of North America today with 500 men with AR-15s and a couple tanks?
I have been noting with some interest a trend among the Lieutenant Colonel rank to write a letter that is basically, “you fight like a fag and your shit’s all fucked up, fuck you, I’m out.” LtCol Scheller being but the first and most well-known of this type. With the purge of the military, and the threats of dishonorable discharges for the unvaccinated, the Covid Demon Cult could be creating a situation analogous to the disbanding of the Iraqi Army, where they promptly formed militias under their old commanders. All of whom hate the Covid Demon Cult and are nearly unemployable due to the nature of their discharges.
The conquistadors had Cortez and Pizarro. Where is our Caesar?
Caesar was a general commanding a huge part of the Roman army, Cortez or Pizarro were senior offices, considering the number of troops they commanded probably something like colonels.
So maybe we don’t need a general or president to stop the holines spiral? Maybe a LtCol would suffice?
Of course, I can’t show you a suitable LtCol, but there are many more LtCols than generals. If there are more qualified candidates, the chances to find the right man for the job are improved, aren’t they?
Corporals too…
LtCol Stuart Scheller. There is a good candidate, right there.
He’s in military jail indefinitely with no charges. The regime seems to be keenly aware to the risk of a colonel’s coup.
He got released after a bunch of politicians started making a stink about it. Worst thing they could do would be to put him in prison and ever let him out. He would be a martyr, and a little too close to the Hitler path for their comfort.
Based on the number of field-grade officers I have seen offering their resignations in protest of the vaccine mandates or the fuckup in Afghanistan, the candidates are assembling. It is just a matter of when, at this point. Whether it comes from without or within the military, the fighting men have lost respect for and confidence in the civilian government.
Our “Caesar” is on the other end of an un-invented un-censorable media.
As soon as someone invents a “safe” means of paying/donating, tweeting, blogging and emailing, someone is going to end up winning that tournament, shit-posting The Regime like even Trump and that Taliban guy never could.
Nuclear Samizdat. The ambassador from another world. “Come with me if you want to live.”
It’ll be real, too. Even Emmanuel Goldstein had an HR harridan down the hall, so even he would have lost in a tournament where Gnon Himself could enter.
More important than being un-censorable is that the audience must be unafraid of getting busted for following this guy.
Mentally prepare for this “Caesar” to even be an anon, an Actual Q who acknowledges and passes Jim’s tests in public, right in front of everyone. Or rather, a continuum of anonymous Jim the Baptists who prepare the ground for someone brave, handsome, ambitious and crazy enough to smell the opportunity, seize the day and facefag himself straight to the moon or the guillotine.
Remember when Trump bitch-slapped those ho’s who came out to henpeck him on TV Q&A’s? That’s when he won. “Come with me if you want to reproduce.”
Caesar had those storybooks about how awesome he was, those movie posters of him, that “Apprentice” show where his best guys won at life, “and zees”. He had a platform.
Right now he has nothing. Just one Saint Kyle can get stomped for politically incorrect self defense, and 1000 other guys see that and decide to sit the next one out. There may have been 100 other Saint Kyle’s out there who got away with it, but we’ll never hear about them. Media power is that great, especially digital media that can be moderated and “de-recorded”, en masse, on the fly.
As soon as some galaxy brains create the forum, the Jim the Baptists, and then Caesar himself, will rush onto the stage.
Pooch, that’s a good point, but “military-capable” isn’t all that important as the Khmer Rouge did their killing with sticks – not a military impressive weapon. What really makes a difference is the ability to organize on a large scale. Whithout that there is no military capability, but large scale organization does not make a society military capable.
Correct. I’ve done just a little bit of reading about the Khmer Rouge, 101-level stuff, and was shocked by how low energy that scene really was. They’d get some choice teenagers hyped up now and then, but beyond that, it was just a dark hopeless low-energy death-marching Gulag.
Why? Because there wasn’t one alternative Schelling Point left to organize around, and not one forum left to organize in.
Moldbug was just in a BAP podcast, and he quoted some French guy who survived the French Revolution. He’d mused to himself that it made no sense that the Jacobins stayed in charge as long as they did, when everyone hated them. Why? Because everyone hated them alone. Because the French were atomized and distrustful of each other.
The French were atomized and distrustful of each other.
The French were atomized and distrustful of each other.
The French were atomized and distrustful of each other.
No, I have to push back on this one. Yarvin’s whole (all-too-Cathedraly, btw) rhetorical apparatus is carefully and delicately designed to make any actual outcome seem inevitable on its own terms. Almost anything that has or could have come to pass could fit into his ultrarefined, esoteric, resigned narrative.
But when we take a quick look at the very intense and very violent energy devoted to chaining, cuffing, and imprisoning old, respectable Ohio MAGA farmers and locking them in solitary confinement in DC for weeks and months on end, we see something much more disturbingly in line with Jim’s predictions than Yarvin’s.
Just because we are unable to read about it does not mean it is not happening.
https://amgreatness.com/2021/09/23/an-american-horror-story/
Or: Just because we are isolated from the wicked realities of the spiral does not mean it is not happening.
>Yarvin’s whole (all-too-Cathedraly, btw) rhetorical apparatus is carefully and delicately designed to make any actual outcome seem inevitable on its own terms.
The tendency towards weltanschauungs where agency has no existence is perhaps an archetypical feature of a blue-triesman; noone can ’cause’ anything, therefore noone is responsible for anything – power, weakness, riches, poverty, success, failure, life, death, mind, oblivion, it all just ‘happens to happen’.
@Yul Bornhold
Although Moldbug is now a namefag, his prediction on how Trump would fail and be removed was accurate to the letter (low energy coup), not Jim’s kinetic prediction of Trump’s violent end. In fact, Contaminated NEET won a bet against Jim’s action-packed prediction.
Globohomo imperial energy is so low that it couldn’t even do a proper withdrawal from Afghanistan.
The institutional left is getting fat and slow, but the radical left could be back building and getting ready for the 2022 riot season. I know it is quite Tinfoil, but I think that banned documentary ShadowGate was correct in illustrating how Ferguson, Baltimore, Etc, were memed into reality through psyops based on Obamaphone network analysis and manipulation. So it appears to me that the bureaucratic Left hasn’t been subsumed by the crazies as fully as it could/will be. 2026 is both near and far, and I think Jim overestimated the speed of spiral while Yarvin underestimates the viciousness of the demon worshipers.
I stand by a prediction I made a while back: the next big inflection point will be a stunning and brave military blunder followed by a decisive naval/force projection failure of the USM.
Don The Pleb (right wing youtuber former marine) suggests that there is a certain point where USM military capability completely collapses altogether.
Not sure what that point is, but having 50% of your unit incompetent to do even basic combat tasks, for instance, might as well render the entire unit 100% combat ineffective.
You dont need much to fuckup combat effectiveness. You will find many good and competent guys in the european armies but as unit they cant fight much.
Hey Jim,
Looking for some advice from you or your commenters. Its not directly related but your advice has been valuable for me in the past.
I’m in the middle of a graduate program and trying to consider whether to continue it or just dropout. I could probably be done within a year if everything goes well.
My university hasn’t imposed any strict requirements on vaccines, but things are gradually heating up and there is the social pressure as well. The usual prog bullshit is also heating up.
I could probably finish here before things get too unbearable, but hiding my power level it is mentally taxing. Even disregarding politics, everyone in academia seems totally useless in the real world. I agree with your post further down about Shockley.
I have a decent amount saved. Not quite at the point of retiring for good, but could possibly retire somewhere in eastern Europe (open to suggestions) or at least have a good few years off.
Should I just drop out and get out of the west for a few years and see how things play out? How valuable are postgrad degrees in the real world?
Can you do both and continue the degree in South-East Europe?
That region is both the cheapest and the least globohomo currently. Just stay away from Kosovo and Bosnia as potential warzones. Possibly the Ukraine too.
Inside EU, with a warm seaside: Romania, Bulgaria.
Outside EU, with a warm seaside: Montenegro, Albania.
Outside EU, only mountains, lakes and rivers: Macedonia, Serbia.
Outside EU, no mountains, but super cheap and good local wine-making: Moldova
Actually they all have solid wine culture. Used to be the periphery of the Hellenic civilization back in the day. The Dionysus cult originated somewhere in today’s Bulgaria/Macedonia.
Slovania and Croatia: too western for comfort, in the vax worship sense.
No really, look at the universities there and see if you can switch. The atmosphere will be very different, as well as the expenses. Or first pull a sabbatical, and lazily check out the unis there, or whatever other gigs you feel like doing.
Shqip-pilled.
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What about Georgia? I’ve heard online that they are quite business friendly and fairly low vaxx rate. I am slightly worried about being so close to the middle east however.
Seriously considering moving to Georgia from my Anglo country in the next few months as the holy covid demon gets worse. Can you give me as much information as possible about what you think of that, since you seem knowledgeable on the region?
Georgia and Armenia are excellent places both of which are unfortunately potential warzones like the Ukraine, Kosovo, and Bosnia.
Georgia has a warm seaside, terrific mountains, great food, and a mostly non-pozzed Christian population. However two provinces are currently in ”frozen conflict” mode, like with the Ukraine, Russia in both cases playing the role of the antagonist, at least to many natives.
As I’ve mentioned in previous threads I know a Georgian guy and he’s great, but very pro-Western cargo-cultist. To him it’s still the 1990s, civilizationally speaking, and all the neocon and globohomo nonsense is just ”minor exceptions” and ”temporary misunderstandings” to him.
I’ve still to convince him to not try and get his family back in Georgia injected with Pfizer or such through ”fancy connections”. Although I feel he has sort of stopped being very active about it.
So if you go to Georgia expect this:
1) National trauma from a lost war
2) Belligerence toward Russia
3) Pro-Western cargo-cultism from the best and brightest
4) Very macho street culture where the wrong look lands you in ER
5) Potential for a new war any minute
6) Very vibrant political scene with protests and allegations all the time
7) Good local food in the province, imported frozen meat from India and tomatoes from Turkey in the cities
Saakashvili–the guy who many would agree was responsible as president for the 2008 war–went into exile, threw his weight around in the Ukraine, is now back, in jail as of the other day, his supporters are protesting, so it’s a potentially turbulent situation right now this instant.
Basically mostly identical to the Balkans in the 1990s but with better infrastructure and public transport. If you’re OK with that–go for it. I would say it may be actually quite satisfying for a single man, but not a place where I would recommend raising a family.
Single man adventures: Georgia, Armenia, the Ukraine, Bosnia
Settling down raising family plan A: Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, Montenegro
Settling down raising family plan B: Macedonia, Albania, Moldova
But speaking of Serbia, if shit erupts in Bosnia or Kosovo, Serbia may become a combatant as well. They’ve dealt with the war trauma, Belgrade is a terrific city, the country is excellent, Serbian chicks are perhaps the best kept secret of EE…
https://aquatek-filips.livejournal.com/1377811.html
…but if shit hits the fan in the region, they could suddenly be drawn into it once again.
They’ve built up closer ties with both Russia and China so maybe not but who knows. Weird times.
Final consideration: the EU EE countries all use western clotshots, with only Hungary having the trad vax choice, whereas non-EU EE countries all have the trad vax choice.
Users of this forum have shared experiencing stronger than expected side effects from the trad vax as well, but this is the general situation right now.
Thanks for your thorough reply.
Regarding the Russo-Georgian war, I was previously under the impression that was more of a firefight. It seems like there weren’t many actual deaths, but a fairly substantial portion of what was nominally Georgian land was under Russian control. This, combined with the ex-president going to jail recently, may indeed be too much for my risk tolerance.
From the countries you’ve listed, it seems like Bulgaria would best fit my circumstances. Vaxx rates are acceptably low. I do have a few more general questions, if you are able to answer them again I would be grateful.
1) My impression of EE countries are that they are quite corrupt. I’m not sure how true this is nowadays however. Would I be able to easily find a doctor, or multiple doctors, in EE who would look the other way while I inject myself with a vaccine for a small fee?
2) I am planning on living in one of the cities of where ever I go, at least initially. I am looking to live a fairly reclusive, private life while over there in a safe and quiet city, while still having nearby access to most amenities that I am used to from my Anglo life. Do you know enough about Bulgaria to recommend me one city over another for my purposes?
3) Macho street culture seems like a stereotype of most EE countries, not just Georgia. Is that accurate?
Thanks again Varna, most helpful.
Imagine the Caucasus as a cousin of the Balkans, who is one human generation behind in all trends. This includes macho street culture and corruption.
You’d have to go out of your way to provoke a fight while just walking on high street in the latter, while in the former one wrong look may still be enough.
Everywhere people “know people”. If you need a dentist, ask a local acquaintance to recommend a dentist. If you need a doctor–ask for a connection. If you need a fake certificate–ask for a connection. After sharing a few beers over a few meetings, people will likely be open about stuff like that. Especially youths.
Networking and the favor bank are very important.
Bulgaria was on Germany’s side in both world wars, then on Stalin’s side, but was always the softest player in any of these camps. They became Hitler’s allies on two conditions: 1) we’re not going to fight the Russians as we have a debt to them (1878 Ottoman liberation war), 2) we’re not giving over our Jews or Gypsies.
A lot of other countries went nuts massacring and pogroming their minorities when “given permission” either as Axis allies or when occupied by the Axis. Not Bulgaria. I think the only other country which kept its cool in a similar manner was Finland, although I may be wrong.
Thus Germany used the Bulgarians to take over occupant duties in Greece and Yugoslavia, freeing up German troops for the Eastern front, but no Bulgarian ever went there as such. So expect among different segments of the population either strong pro-German or pro-Russian sentiments, and also skepticism toward Greece, Serbia, and Turkey.
Also in that region everyone is the rightful owner of Macedonia. Greece is, Serbia is, Bulgaria is, and Macedonia itself views all of them as its rightful territory as well. But this is mostly just grumbling, nothing too serious.
Two examples of nice moderate-sized cities in Bulgaria: Ruse and Veliko Tyrnovo. Both are pleasant river cities.
https://infogalactic.com/info/Veliko_Tarnovo
Travel blog: https://maxbolshakov.livejournal.com/117039.html
https://infogalactic.com/info/Ruse,_Bulgaria
Travel blog: https://ru-travel.livejournal.com/28623047.html
But the capital Sofia is also cool, take the right bus or train and in 30min you’re up in the mountains. The second-biggest is Plovdiv, also good. Then there’s the seaside cities and towns.
As I’ve mentioned before this was the northern part of the old Hellenistic civilization, and then Eastern Roman civilization, so most cities and towns go back to between the Neolith and early iron age. Which corresponding ruins. In Plovdiv you’ve got concerts in the center in an old Roman theater, for example.
I would suggest picking a city not smaller than 20-30K in population, not least of all if lockdowns or vax travel mandates happen (we have to be ready for any developments in times such as these), then being in a bigger place will be softer on the psyche.
Coastal seaside cities and towns are great in the summer, but can get pretty depressing in winter.
Old timey socialist planners of the Soviet schools had pretty good ideas about parks and trees and kindergartens. The overall systemic bullshit overweighed the good ideas, but these days the system is more humane yet the parks and greenery have remained, mostly.
EE cities tend to have an old center with cool vintage architecture, although not always well maintained, and morose socialist apartment block suburbs. Now interspaced with smaller slightly less morose capitalist apartment buildings.
If one wants to have their ass kicked, one goes alone at night into the apartment block suburbs.
NOTE: Everything I say applies before the great reset. No one knows how things may change in the coming months.
The Georgian/Russian war lasted 5 days, of which 3 intense fighting, but it was for real. Fighter jets downed, ships sunk, tank columns, towns in flames. Corpses of Negros in Georgian army uniforms found by surprised Russian troops per their memoirs.
The US scrambled GPS and communications across the region, which taught Russia they really need to modernize and also to complete their own GPS (GLOSSNAS).
At one point due to communications being down one guy had to overtake a tank column which was about to take the capital Tbilisi and tell them to go back as this was not part of the general plan. Some units without communications had to improvise, and these guys had decided to take the enemy capital. Stopped just in time.
Not a very bloody or long war, but real enough for those to whom it happened. People still seethe.
Some EE countries tend to be cocky and throw their weight around (Serbia, Macedonia, Lithuania, Poland, Hungary), while others tend to try and be invisible and do their thing under the radar (Slovakia, Montenegro, Albania, Romania, Bulgaria).
So for example if a Hungary accepts the Chinese trad vax, it trumpets it to the whole world. If a Bulgaria does the same, it’s impossible to find even on govt websites.
Situations like these need workarounds. For example go to an airline website (say Lufthansa) and see the entry requirements for Bulgaria. From those you see which vaccines are accepted as valid, and what type of test one needs to enter otherwise.
Putting in a theoretical flight from the UK to Bulgaria. Negative COVID tests or recovery documents work fine.
To my surprise it turns out Bulgaria accepts both Chinese ones and Sputnik as valid. But you gotta dig deep to find this info.
Quote:
https://lufthansa.travel-regulations.com/route-info?origin=EDI&destination=SOF&search-enabled=true
Passengers could be subject to quarantine for 10 days.
This does not apply to passengers younger than 12 years.
This does not apply to passengers between 12 and 18 years, arriving from United Kingdom, with a negative COVID-19 PCR test taken at most 72 hours before arrival.
This does not apply to passengers 18 years or older, arriving from United Kingdom, with a negative COVID-19 PCR test taken at most 72 hours before arrival; and
– a COVID-19 recovery certificate issued at least 11 days and at most 180 days before arrival; or
– a COVID-19 vaccination certificate showing that they were fully vaccinated at least 14 days before arrival. Vaccines accepted are: AstraZeneca (Vaxzevria), Janssen, Moderna (Spikevax), Pfizer-BioNTech (Comirnaty), Sinopharm, Sinovac and Sputnik V.
Antigen test works for Bulgaria. Quarantine periods are never enforced anywhere. I’ve been photoshopping all my tests for two years, though they are getting much cheaper now and probably getting around to QR codes, but you can probably still do it. There are probably still labs everywhere without QR. No one in the east is going to care, no one even in England cared about my faked certificates, but perhaps they’d have more scrutiny in the highly cucked areas of France, Germany and Italy, where I hear they are going all out with apps and qr codes and vaxxed databases. But even a few months ago I was going around Italy and editing pcr test pdfs. And I have heard of people faking ways onto the passport system in France. If you really needed you could even set up false recoveries using a home swab and a source of the covid virus from somewhere. Maybe deepweb markets will get in on it
O sure Germany has vaxxed databases, but that makes forgery less risky and easier.
Data is entered in to the database by pharmacies. They also give you a hard to fake QT coded certificate. How do the pharmacies know whether you are vaxxed? Well, you show them some paper document from anywhere, usually a paper booklet which is supposed to document any vaccine you ever received in the form of a tiny sticker.
The pharmacy has no way to check whether the paper document is real or not as any physician anywhere in the world can legally create such a paper document.
Funny thing is that the vaxx database and your QR coded certificate do not state where you received the vaxx. So it is impossible to check later whether your QR coded documents reflect a true paper document – if your original paper documents happens to get lost.
There is no legal obligation to keep you paper booklet showing your vaccinations. If you have the QR coded document you are all set. So forgery is very low risk and does not require much skill at all.
What about Staford? What to do about it?
I have considered Georgia as a base and eastern Ukraine as a place to spend time. However, the question I continue to ask myself is this: Why stay on the Russian border when there is so much potential within Russia herself?
If one learns Russian and gets a Russian wife, the path to citizenship is rather short. Thoughts?
Pro-Russian westerners inside Russia can be worth their weight in caviar.
A westerner who lives there and periodically publishes blogs or podcasts about his life there, with emphasis on the good stuff, especially if he’s in a smaller town, will likely get some preferential treatment from local officials just for being who he is.
This applies to anywhere in broader EE and Eurasia–be the local westerner who is a known and respected local figure, not unlike a local minor celebrity, and life will be easier. But this will take social networking. When you have local teachers, doctors, and at least minor officials “on your side”, you’ve got it made.
If you’re an uninteresting no-name local or a foreign no-name weirdo, the local institutions may suddenly become as hostile and inefficient as globohomo institutions, albeit without the trannyism.
Managing to read a lecture on topic X in a local school at least once a year with some local media coverage would go a long way in ensuring one’s status as someone who does not automatically get fucked by local institutions.
In most federal states outside the megapolises and the arctic oil and gas drilling places, the average salary is around $300, unadjusted. If one can swing at least twice that as a steady stream from abroad, then look who’s the fancy toff.
The average Russian’s concept of a dream wage which allows for a stress-free life for a couple with one kid is around 80 000 rubles ($1 100).
https://positivdliaoptimistov.mirtesen.ru/blog/43853168982/Skolko-deneg-nuzhno-rossiyanam-dlya-bezbednoy-zhizni
In megapolises people say around 200K ($2 760), while in normal-sized cities, about 120K ($1 660).
https://ptzgovorit.ru/news/rossiyane-rasskazali-skolko-deneg-nuzhno-dlya-bezbednoy-zhizni
One better stay in Slavic Orthodox non-permafrost regions, not in the biggest cities, and not work any official job that requires vax mandates.
I personally would prefer to not settle in Russia or the “developed” EE, but would rather go South-East EE. Likewise in Asia; I’d give places like Japan and Korea a miss (in terms of settling down) and go South-East.
But that’s just me. I prefer slightly grubbier, less tightly wound places with warm climates and interesting food, but low homicide rates and something approaching free speech and pluralist media. With state institutions just efficient enough to maintain a crypto-libertarian environment (often combined with crappy but real free health care), but not efficient enough to enforce to the hilt crazy mandates when such do appear.
Also I find both Slavic and Mongoloid female features pleasing, which is not unimportant, but prefer the slightly mongrelized look of the South-East of both continents.
Although Russia certainly offers more than enough of the same Turkic/Finno-Ugric/Mongoloid hybrids, but within a social and climate context that would be my second choice, not my first choice.
What is wrong with the Slavic Orthodox permafrost regions?
Permafrost rambling with coffee.
There are places where only nomadic shamanist tribes would go, but more developed societies never do, because it’s not fit for sophisticated human existence. Today you’ve got your electricity and central heating and so on, but it’s still a highly uncomfortable existence unless you were born there, and also a fragile island of civilization–cut the power and the import of food and products and you’re done.
Living there for a couple of years for the experience and maybe as a worker for Gazprom is one thing, planning long-term life there is not something I’d do to wife and kids. It’s one thing to need a complex surgical procedure and the hospital is an hour’s drive away. Another if the hospital is an emergency airlift away. And so on.
Also the Tsarist, Commie, and modern Russian habit of sending criminals to “labor colonies” in the permafrost. In a few places, like Tomsk, you’ve got the vestiges of Tsarist inteligentsia clusters who got sent over for being dissidents. Tomsk is known as a place of culture in the middle of nowhere. But in most other places it’s a generic gangasta culture of the lowest kind.
Homicide rates, street violence, theft, rape, alcoholism, the more east and north you go, the more it starts getting like a Hollywood depiction of “life in Russia”.
Summary of permafrost region cons:
1) Life is fragile like on another planet; if you cut the power and the importation of foods and products, it all collapses faster than in warmer zones
2) Matters of life and death may have to be decided not through a frenetic drive, but through airlifts over a sea of taiga. In other words, while in warmer climates small provincial places can be a perfectly good choice — in permafrost land the cities is where life is bearable.
3) Islands of academic exile aside, the permafrost regions are barbaric and you need to constantly be on the ready, and be a local figure of respect so that no one dares to touch your wife and kids. But once evening comes, at haha 14.00, and people start getting drunk, your women and children will still need to be under constant protection and surveillance.
As I’ve said in other posts, I myself prefer the mellow climate range, with Scotland and Germany as the harshest. No doubt this colors my perceptions.
But still: places where civilization only survives through “artificial breathing” and with very high levels of gangsta culture are only worth it IMO, if you go there to fulfil some gas or oil extraction contract, and then go spend your money in the south.
Unless you were yourself born and raised in permafrost places and do not feel stress from living in a violent gangsta place, but rather feel more alive or something.
Note 1: South Siberia is not permafrost, and is rather a place of gorgeous nature and does indeed grow grain and stuff. But to the North and to the East of South Siberia and life becomes increasingly harsh.
To the extent that in the East, land is free.
https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/hyster/9941640/32662/32662_original.jpg
The govt gives it away, just register and get your free hectare.
Note 2: In Russia you can own a semi-auto rifle at 21 (or at 19 if you went to the army at 18)…
https://www.huntworld.ru/blog/obzor-ruzhya-sayga-12-kharakteristiki-i-luchshie-modifikatsii/
…but handguns–only rubber bullet modifications called “travmat”. As in “it traumatizes but doesn’t kill”.
Foreign citizens:
https://67.xn--b1aew.xn--p1ai/document/3290674
Can acquire electric shockers, pneumatic weapons, and pepper sprays without license.
Real weapons–there is an institutional website ran by a branch of the national guard, where foreigners can register for weapon license https://www.gosuslugi.ru/107567/1/info
So at least in theory it’s possible.
Some of us hate the cold.
Can you elaborate on SE Asia (like you did for EE above)?
The usual suspects that come to mind would be Thailand and Philippines but my first reaction would be “surely he doesn’t mean these?”
Hi, not really, I’m depleted now, poured out to much already, maybe at a later point.
But sure, by SE Asia I mean Thailand and Philippines but also Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, and even Myanmar.
Of those half are still in “gestation state” and will become a solid place to chill later on (I say this by momentum from before the great reset kicked in for real), but some of them have already peaked in a messy “not 1st world not 3rd world” way.
They are South America without the homicide epidemic and with–to me personally–more attractive female features. Especially where you get overseas Chinese-local hybrids.
If you’re a “classical westerner” as in a heritage white, then first contact with SE Asia will be as if with a tangle of psychotic, sleazy, cacophony.
If, however, you grok life in the Balkans, or the Caucasus, or Central Asia, or certain parts of the Ukraine and Russia, then SE Asia can make perfect sense, with just a bit of adjustment.
Low social trust coupled with low homicide rates, institutional inefficiency and corruption coupled with flexible leeway in everything if you know where to look, not really meritocratic but only if you don’t know how to use connections…
And half of it as democratic as Eastern EU, for those to whom such things are important.
Even by globohomo standards, Malaysia is on par with Slovakia, the Philippines–with Hungary, and Indonesia–with Romania. Eastern EU levels.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/democracy-countries
Thailand is on Serbian levels. Cambodia, Vietnam, and Laos–Russia and Belarus levels. If one has grokked the latter, one can navigate the former. But with better weather and warm seas.
Maybe for a heritage western white it would be difficult to get the place at once, but if they first spend a year or two in Macedonia or Armenia or Turkey, and then go to Malaysia, Indonesia, etc., they’ll grasp the local patterns and see the logic in them.
Thanks, that was plenty informative.
Thanks for the reply. I am building up my location independent income every month. I have reached the $1100 you mentioned above. The vaxx mandate within a big country like Russia is one thing I’m a bit concerned about.
Is the small-medium business environment as bad as the horror stories one reads after a Google search? The big opportunity in the Russian speaking world is to somehow cash in on the only functioning large market left after the US economy goes down.
Networking and getting known locally would be a sound strategy for getting the institutions on your side, good tip right there.
Congrats on the indie income.
Demography context–let’s first check out the population changes of a few EE countries:
https://tradingeconomics.com/latvia/population
https://tradingeconomics.com/lithuania/population-eurostat-data.html
https://tradingeconomics.com/ukraine/population
https://tradingeconomics.com/moldova/population
https://tradingeconomics.com/bulgaria/population
https://tradingeconomics.com/serbia/population-total-wb-data.html
https://tradingeconomics.com/poland/population?user=tradingeconomics
https://tradingeconomics.com/romania/population-eurostat-data.html
What we see is the result of 30 years of the West hoovering up the high-energy go-getter and risk-taker segment of the population of the Eastern Whites.
(with the Ukraine you can see a modest 2020 bump in population as some go back home once economic paralysis hit the continent)
So what you have left in EE is a population consisting of the low-energy, the unmotivated, the laid back, the dumb, the apathetic smart, the risk-averse smart, the connected, and the least-resistance system drones.
Russia’s population statistics look at first glance a bit better than much of EE, but this is deceptive. Russia also lost the same chunk if not bigger to the siren song of the West, but compensates the numbers (if not necessarily the quality) by importation of Russian-heritage immigrants from former USSR countries and also through annexing the occasional neighboring chunk.
Plus internal populations of breeder darkies (or perhaps “proper Aryans” per some 19th century theories).
In other words, there is no vibrant independent middle class that defends its interests politically or economically. The human material that could have formed such a vibrant independent middle class is scattered across Canada, America, England, Germany, France, Italy, Scandinavia, and so on.
What passes for a “middle class” in EE is a mix of govt workers, urban intelligentsia, and businessmen/performers who established themselves through lack of normal competition plus connections.
Some cultures are historically cultivators. Cultures based on generating value. Other cultures tend to be more in the viking-mongol mode in the sense of value is something others generate and you take it.
Some EE countries may not have been originally that way, but now that they lost the middle-class value-generating chunks to the west–they also are. They are kept afloat mostly through EU grants, while Russia is kept afloat mostly through its natural resources.
So, firstly, if you open an indie business in Russia, you need at least some connections to “have your back”. Otherwise the moment your business starts generating visible value someone will decide to do a hostile takeover, perhaps through crude and barbaric tactics.
Secondly, the more your business grows, the more “expensive” will it be for your protectors to have your back, until the point where you either have to change protectors or sell out. Or cut and run, depending on the situation.
A high-flying example would be “the Russian Facebook” — Vkontakte (VK.com). Pavel Durov made it, it took off, became the face of Russia’s rising tech savvy and sheit, but then govt institutions came over anyway and explained how it’s time to either play ball for real or for the business to change owners if you know what’s good for you.
So now VK is owned by others, while Durov went abroad, and started over with Telegram.
Business in Russia operates through informal fiefdom-like power structures of obligations, protections, rights and duties and so on, plus of course a parallel system of official legal state stuff.
You’ve got to be able to be a good player on both levels, and you can’t be a lone indie player. You need to be if not “a member of somebody’s gang” then at least be “under the protection of some gang”, metaphorically speaking.
If you open a modest little business in a modest little town and everybody there knows and loves you and you periodically appear in the local media and are the town’s goofy western lucky charm mascot, then likely things will be just fine.
If you try to be a serious player, then there is no healthy business field in which to be that–the people who could have theoretically formed such a field are all abroad–so instead you’ll be entering a rather more crude and cutthroat territory where you either pledge allegiance and profit cuts to someone, or maintain a brilliant Trump-like game of constant public performances that make you invulnerable to dangerous people who prefer to operate in the shadows.
Just like in order to survive namefag Moldbug needs to constantly be all like: me being Jewish, my Jewishness and me, the Jewishness of my Jewishness is so very Jewish–as constant protective magic spells to ward off globohomo demonic attacks by some player who just wants to make points at the expense of an easy target–the jewishness of the jewishness is a constant reminder “I am not an easy target, think twice, I am not an easy target”.
So would a businessman in Russia have to constantly appear shaking hands with local city and regional officials, have visible lunches with local cop chiefs, go to lavish parties to mingle with other businessmen and “serious people”, in order to maintain a bubble of reminders “I am not an easy target, think twice, I am not an easy target”.
Bottom line: if forced by fate to go to Russia, I’d try and get a gig with some state institution and even become a member of some of the bigger parties, at least on the municipal level, just to add a layer of protection.
If I do not want that (for example due to vax mandates), then I’d try to do something low-key in some low-key place, live off indie money from abroad but not visibly, using it mostly for say quality healthcare or slightly better clothes and holidays, but otherwise I’d go for a balancing act of being visible enough to have the local institutions on my side but under the radar of any bigger predators.
Good insights, more or less what I had imagined. Thanks!
If you are working purely online, I think Thailand might be somewhat favorable. There is no tax on foreign dividends if you keep outside the country for greater than a year. I believe you could do something like have a business you own outside of Thailand, pay yourself a $1 salary and receive the rest as dividends as a Thai tax resident. Paying zero tax.
I’m no expert on this but have seen people online doing similar. Then again, depending on how you’re being paid (e.g. crypto?) some of these places already mentioned may not have any clue about it.
It says something about how bad things here have gotten, that people are seriously considering a move to the bloody borders of Islam. Remember when someone here posted a while back pictures of cartel members who had no sights of any kind on their rifles? I’m just not that scared of niggers and spics. But the Taliban damn sure had sights on their rifles.
When the American empire really crumbles, Islam’s borders are going to bleed again. Back home, I expect awful inflation and rolling shortages of high technology, coupled with random violence and the Detroit-ing of most major cities and suburbs. It almost does not matter whether the new democrats or the old democrats win. The old democrats are too afraid of millions of gunslinging rednecks to try waco-style overreach and the new left while dumb enough to try is not competent enough to win.
If I get my life set up properly, the only difference if the holiness spiral wins is that my family dogs will eat like kings and I’ll have a lot of very realistic halloween decorations.
>Harris: Western conflict with the Muslim world has arisen, off and on, for centuries. Thomas Jefferson sued for peace with the Barbary Pirates who had enslaved something like 1.5 million Europeans and Americans between 16th and 18th centuries. As Christopher Hitchens once pointed out, the explicit justification for this piracy was the doctrine of Islam. In fact, this collision with Islam helped ensure the ratification of the U.S. Constitution, for it was argued that only a federation of states with a strong navy could stand against such a persistent threat. Consequently, one could argue that the American war on terror formally began in 1801 with the Barbary Wars—waged by the Jefferson and Madison administrations. This is one of the many ways to see that our troubles in the Muslim world are not purely a matter of our lust for oil, our support for dictators, or any aspect of U.S. foreign policy. As the much-maligned Samuel Huntington one said, “Islam has bloody borders.†It always has. But many people seem determined to deny this.
Not everyone on here is from or live in the Americas. Quite a few Europeans are on here. We can still go East without being on the bloody borders of Islam. It’s not even that far, 25 hours in a car gets you from Western Europe to the edges of Ukraine.
I do agree with your points though. But for me being in Europe, I would rather have bases in towns and small cities outside of the European Union than to stay in say Berlin, Munich or Paris.
The Balkans are absolutely the bloody borders of Islam. I can’t really say what Europeans should do because I don’t live there, but I’m inclined to say that western Europe is fucked. Russia probably looks attractive to a brit or frenchman. Just doesn’t hold much appeal for me.
My prediction for Europe is that once America is no longer feared as a military power, Russia will very swiftly annex the places it’s historically been interested in having a hand in, and then very slowly and reluctantly assert imperial control over the third-world ghettos of Western Europe. Russia will want to sell stuff to WE, but business being impossible because of low security, it will do as Britain did and establish order so that the merchants can do business. At the same time, will be fighting a war with the Turk in the balkans and caucasus. Maybe Russia gets better at science and technology, maybe the standard of living stays like modern-day Russia in its empire. Either way, not a bad deal.
I’m expecting that “parallel institutions” we build for a barely-coherent US will have a good shot at lobbying the Russian government for money and supplies to stage a coup and install a Russia-friendly regime.
Is there any reason why global South Africa won’t come to Europe just the same? They are importing Africans en masse just like us. Whites there will have to do as the Amerikaner and Afrikaner does, cohere around their cultural and ethnic heritage of which they have over a milinenia of shared history to draw off of.
Yes but Europeans are decades behind on that kind of awareness. The kind of thinking I see Amerikaners have, where red blooded men are piling guns and setting up militias — it just doesn’t exist in Europe.
The print your own three dee gun part sounds pretty good, but you’d preferably have all your friends and family print guns, but again, that kind of thinking is currently missing.
That said, I am not fleeing. Home is home. There’s plenty of good land here, and plenty of healthy social networks. And of course, expecting trouble, one can prepare.
Europeans don’t generally have guns. An individual can get a gun, but it is not like in rural parts of America, where all of your neighbors are also armed, and the neighbors all being armed is the important part.
In actual South Africa, the Afrikaners are not easy prey. I suspect if they were disarmed to the point Europeans are disarmed, there would be no Afrikaners left by now. Europe will become worse than South Africa.
Muslim mosques are stockpiling arms, and often have a big cache of AKMs and ammo in their basements. If white Europeans want to resist like Amerikaners, they will need to raid mosques and take their guns, unless the police and military are kind enough to arm civilians.
When Europe looks like South Africa, a coherent group of Europeans is probably best off asking Russia for weapons and training. That the mosques are stockpiling weapons of war means that they will start a war as soon as they think they can get away with it. At which point Europeans should be on the phone with Russia.
I had not considered that.
I hadn’t either, but of course they are.
That’s actually much less true that Americans tend to believe. Rural communities in France are heavily armed. German-speaking Europe is full of “shooting clubs” (which tend to parade like military units). Some Slavic countries like Czechia have an almost US situation. And I’m confident that every fighting age man in the Balkans is going to be hooked up, probably from military armories, if the SHTF.
Western Europe is quite vulnerable to being attacked by a serious (no female defense minister, etc.) military without USA protection, but much of rural Europe is not really at risk from random imported violence. Cities are another matter, but then look at USA cities…
Good to hear. As nice as semiauto rifles and high-cap mags are, I consider low-cap manually operated guns more than sufficient to deal with the brown hordes, especially if you have friends. (That’s what I assume civvies own in most of Europe, and it’s what I’m legally allowed to own where I live.) The third world was colonized with much worse than what we have now.
My country is cucked, the prospects of getting a young wife here is near zero. The prospects of raising strong children are very low. I would rather risk a bit of comfort for a chance to have many children.
I would rather raise my children to become the Russian merchants who trade with the west in 20 years, than to have them beg for weapons. I am not a warrior, I am a small but growing merchant.
They are absolutely scared shitless of the Amerikaner, to the point where they’ll insanely surround 30k troops around the capital after a mostly peaceful protest.
They have backed off from their ATF plans of murder and terror in the heartland. I think Afghanistan really threw a wrench into a lot of their plans. They’re feeling very weak right now.
I left my country over similar reasons but held a stronger hand when I did. Regretted it ever since, and I dare say you’ll do to. You’ll never feel at home in EE, as I don’t feel at home in the anglosphere. Probably best to look for a better place within the country.
That being said Albania is nice, cheap but the government is owned by Soros, so probably not your best shot. Same goes for Macedonia, I hear. Still, we’d love to have you over. You can probably trasnfer credits and finish your degree at UNYT, look inyo that.
Soros was raised in an Esperanto household. Esperanto is easy to learn for Albanians.
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This is probably going to be my last comment here as Jim appears to be deleting them on sight now.
My main problem with your approach to male sexuality is that you are far too lax about your requirement that men be married. You seem to think it’s important that men be married but at the same time you are allowing (unmarried) men here to talk about how many whores they’ve fucked, or to say things like “yea bro I’m gonna get married just gotta wait for the leftist singularity to destroy society first, until then I’m just gonna keep fucking lots of sluts we cool bro??”
Unrestrained male sexuality means there are going to be studs who never feel the need to get married and don’t take the idea of monogamous commitment seriously. Yea call me an incel or nerd or w/e but I don’t like interacting with men if I think they’re gonna try to fuck my gf or wife, makes me want to fuck them and my girl up.
I have not deleted any of your comments. All of them have appeared.
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This presupposes an ample supply of whores. And even with an ample supply of whores, that solution is profoundly unsatisfactory, as compared to proper ownership. If Heartiste had the chance of ownership of an obedient virgin, would blow his mind with joy.
You not only do not know what women want. You don’t know what alpha males want.
The nature you ascribe to men is inconsistent with Darwin’s sexual selection, inconsistent with the fact that when men have all the power and women are powerless then fertility is high and whores nonexistent, and inconsistent with what I see in front of my nose.
Beta males think they want a what alpha males have, but the men that women see as alphas rapidly discover that what women are giving them is not what they want, it represents the victory of the selfish female always defect strategy over the selfish male always defect strategy.
When men have all the power, they lock the women in harems. When women have all the power, they take a thirty year vacation from reproduction in a brothel.
Our problem is not unrestrained male sexuality, it is unrestrained female sexuality. And if your problem is unrestrained females, then restraining males will not make one whit of a difference – actually, will make it even worse.
The idea that unrestrained females can somehow be dealt with by ever more draconian restraints imposed on males has already been put into practice; you are living in it’s results right now.
https://theredarchive.com/blog/Dalrock/we-are-trapped-on-slut-island-and-traditional.12187
The documentary ShadowGate asserts that anytime a big company announces a data breach, it’s just covering up for the fact that they, willingly or otherwise, have given access to their data to NSA or some private intelligence firm. The “leaked” data is scrubbed by NSA after a certain period, but before this it is copied, balkanized, and “laundered” through various databases.
1) Is there any credibility to this notion?
2) Is ShadowGate a trustworthy source in general?
No experience wih ShadowGate but companies are often (usually?) legally prohibited from mentioning various search expeditions.
One passive-aggressive approach that sounds somewhat similar to announcing a breach is the Warrant Canary. But note the differences.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_canary
‘Laundering of data’ probably means ‘parallel construction’, where the government has inadmissible evidence and construct a parallel case with court-admissible evidence using this.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/DS7CN67XL1lb/
Over an hour. Probably a lot of woo woo h4©3rman bullshit, but maybe not. Not my field so I can’t judge. There are some very interesting claims made, there are was some kind of controversy that enveloped the journaless that made it, and it was shoah’d off youtube very quickly. If anyone sits through it, please report back.
Either way, the “hackers” made the information publicly available so the NSA has their hands on it regardless.
Starting a new thread, because the previous discussion was buried quite deep and was happening in multiple places although it is basically converging on the same things.
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The problem with this is that it does not seem to require sincere belief, unless you are claiming that going through all the motions of Christian worship either constitutes sincere belief ipso facto or inevitably results in it.
It is in my rational self-interest to pay the contractor, because it is in my rational self-interest to live in a society where contracts are enforced. If contracts are systematically not being enforced, then cooperation has already broken down and defecting as hard and fast as possible is not only my self-interest but also likely the fastest path back to cooperate-cooperate equilibrium. The Scriptural version is easier to understand but tends to omit the second part—with the exception of Dark Enlightenment people, who mostly figured this out *before* reverting to Christianity, Christians mostly cannot notice that the rules have changed, because Christianity lacks any criteria for declaring the breakdown of the social order it tries to maintain. For every one of us there are ten young Christian converts who are involuntary celibates because they believe that God commands them to remain virgins until they can get formally married in a church, when in fact marriage in church has not meant much of anything for at least a hundred years and pretending that it does will not make it so.
My argument about the Fall is not about literal history or geography; there is a spiritual difference between the two accounts. The traditional account explains the introduction of evil and suffering into an intelligently designed universe as the result of Man’s sin; the evolutionist account explains Man’s vicious nature as the result of having to survive in an unforgiving world. The causality is exactly reversed, and the second one makes it much harder to argue that the Creator is omnibenevolent, unless you simply define Gnon as Good, and this results in a very different system of morality. Christian morality is based on divine commandments and teleology; natural law morality is based on rational self-interest. Of course, the two tend to square in 90% of cases, and where they don’t, Christian morality as actually practiced historically tends to have unprincipled exceptions.
The question at issue is whether the social order needs to be Christian, not whether I am Christian
If the sovereign and the high priest deal with their subjects, as I deal with my contractors and my wife, is that not a Christian society?
What is a non Christian doing going around demanding that Christians prove they are sufficiently Christian by converting to his pet straw man Christianity?
Yeah, if all Christians were to convert to what you deem authentic Christianity, internet atheists would have a good time. And three hundred years ago, Socinians would have had a good time. A few centuries before that, Arians. Your “authentic Christianity” is stupid. Saint Augustine pointed out that such theology made Christians look like idiots. And while some Christians, like some internet atheists are stupid, Christianity has not been stupid for millennia. (Well, come to think of it, it has been stupid with great regularity, but stupid Christianity has a habit of vanishing into the dustbin of history.)
Am I authentically Christian? Well I maybe I am not authentically Christian, but this only seems to worry people who are obviously not Christians. No one who can pass the demon worshiper test has worried about it.
In which the ‘do as I say, not as I do part’ cannot have escaped you.
The central problem, the problem which we have not yet fixed and likely will not fix in our lifetime, is that the story of Christianity, much like the story of Judaism, is comatose, and had been comatose for a while. The reason you, Jim, and many others Here are Christians only in the dark enlightened sense is that sunday church is boring. Oh another story from Matthew? How invigorating. Heard it all before.
If you want a Christian social order, you need an active Christian church laity. Which is just not going to happen. Well probably you have small nodes of Christian resistance and they probably have a decent chance of surviving, but nothing on the scale that would save the western Empire.
If we were to get the story out of its coma, then, in line with biblical canon, we should probably act like Jesaja (lost you are I tell you, lost!) and pave the way for the return of Jesus, lord and savior.
Sunday church is boring if the people you meet there are boring. Likewise, you don’t get active Christian church laity until becoming active in the Church laity is a pleasant way of meeting interesting high status people.
Sure, hearing another story from Matthew will probably still be boring, but most people will gladly stand an hour of boredom, if before and after church they can have a firendly chat with interesting high status people.
The mosques in Europe are well attended. I don’t think the story told there is more interesting than what is told in chuch. People go there to meet other people they want to meet – to see and to be seen.
Have you ever seen a Fridays-for-Future-rally? That is boring religious cervice. Chanting three word slogans for an hour is about as boring as anything can be. Still people go there because that is a place to signal status and meet interesting people.
Christianity is out of power. As soon as an emperor makes it the state religion, a few believers will be sufficient for a revival.
Does not attract high status people because boring.
Pretty sure the story of Mohammed the conqueror is plenty interesting to young muslim men and women.
A good religion has plenty of illegal meetings, thus the emperor need only legalize them. Forcing those meetings into existence has a less succesful track record.
The Christian churches died from the top down. Convergence was fatal. First to be converged were first to die. They will awaken from the top down.
A church vanishes about one hundred years after it becomes the enemy of husbands and fathers. It is has been a very long time since there were any Congregationalists. I remember when Roman Catholicism still lived. Russian Orthodoxy lives.
OK lets unpack this. What I think you mean is: our current elite, progressive and decadent, will crash and burn, making place for a newer, Christian elite. Who is this new Christian elite, where do they come from? Presumably, in part the converting old elite – one can imagine Elon Musk converting if that would actually get him tot mars -, in part a new elite. Andrew Torba mocht be an example of the latter – outspoken Christian, building a parallel society.
Now, how might such a new elite rise? Lets say there’s three ways: fashion, guns, or post-apocalypse.
The fashion way means Christianity becomes cool. Is it becoming cool? Hard to say. Andrew Torba is an impressive man, but he is not naturally cool. Elon Musk is naturally cool, but not Christian. Milo is cool, but comes with baggage. You are cool, but you spend suspiciously little time praising Jesus. Don’t you think it’s cool to praise Jesus?
Then, guns. God bless the second amendment. If only we had that in Europe. I think we can cross off Christian Caesar. If we get any sort of military coup, will holiness spiral until some Cromwell or Stalin announces Progtopia has arrived. No Christ involved. But small, localized resistance from private men with guns… That may well be the future. Currently still at risk of being waco’d, but who knows how it stands in a couple of years… Then again, these nodes would build up in flyover country, and from there to the big cities is a long way.
Which brings us to our final scenario: post-apocalypse. Which assumes that we shall not have a French revolution, instead we shall have a breakdown of society turning the west into a bunch of barely functioning third world countries. Here, Christians have an excellent shot at power, for the sole reason that they have social technology designed to deal with tough times — they will have the children, the guns and the cooperation to survive the upcoming hardships.
That is really the only viable solution I see. But it is also the post-apocalyptic scenario.
It won’t arise. It never does. Your questions presuppose regeneration from the bottom up
Because it is in each person’s individual interest to defect, you don’t get regeneration from the bottom up. Ever.
You get regeneration because the ruler needs a cooperative elite – which often means moving the center of governance a long long way from the previous ruling elite, which is clustered around the previous center of governance.
I guess my question presupposes my lack of faith in that plan, because I am not seeing a Christian, cooperative elite.
Andrew Torba is setting himself up to be the Jack Dorsey of the Christian elite, but it is obvious to me from the way he carries himself that there is no Christian elite he is welcomed into. He is building it from the ground up. Europe, similar story. The old Christian traditions are lost, and by the time we have rediscovered them we shall be knee deep in the coming dark age.
And you will not see one until a King Oswiu or an Emperor Constantine starts making Christians elite.
Caesar takes power, Andrew Torba is in charge of the Google algorithm, and the Babylon Bee gets appointed to the Board of Harvard. Then you will see plenty of high energy darkly enlightened elite Christianity.
Alf, it will go as it went the last time. Cooperative Christian warriors will outcompete all other warlords and tribes and gradually take over, until suddenly all of the elite is Christian. Wulfgar Thundercock III becomes the head of the Thunderfuckers Rapid Reaction Force, becomes head of the Thunderfuckers Militia, becomes General Thundercock, and eventually ends up becoming Wulfgar the Great once his sons have pacified the area sufficiently. General becomes a title of nobility, much like Jarl became Earl and Dux Bellorum became Duke.
But there is no ruler. There is a secretive meta-oligarchy, a sprawling meta-bureaucracy, and a mass of meta-hierarchies based on status, bioleninism, and wealth. I think Alf mapped it out well.
If Brezhnevian Malaise survives a radical spiral (if Biden can withstand Harris), and China and Russia manage to keep from backing into a corner (economic) and falling off a cliff (demographic) respectively, the half-life of Neo-Liberal Globalization could continue for quite some time. I’m not saying in any way there will be a people’s revolt or uprising, but any leader, in any of these nexii, must arise with backing at all levels of relevancy; oligarchic, bureaucratic, and hierarchic.
If the chaos carousel spins up to full speed, the leader will have to forge their path with blood and lead. Of Alf’s trichotomy, I think “guns” could follow “post-apocolypse,” or rise out of its middle.
There’s also the possibility that the “leader” could be a neo-triumverate: a Russian Colonel, a Chinese Oligarch, and an American actor/artist/mogul.
Brezhnevian Malaise
Yarvin, too, makes analogy between America today and the Brezhnev period. I’m not buying it.
During the Brezhnev period, the left wing was losing energy, getting less and less bloodthirsty. Take a look at antifa running wild in the street and tell me with a straight face that the left wing is losing energy.
A much better analogy to today is that, after a weak leader with no elite support (Nicholas/Trump), a weak transitional figure (Kerensky/Biden) is eventually swept away by the radical left.
In that case, it was indeed quite a long time without much in the way of popular uprisings. And note that even Tambov was led by a man only slightly less left-wing than Lenin and his gang, while Novocherkassk was leaderless and doomed. It took decades and millions dead for the system to collapse and Mr. Putin to attain some degree of the “oligarchic, bureaucratic, and hierarchic” backing you mention.
The challenge today is for the opponents of leftism in America to squabble less and unite more than the White Russians did, so that history goes differently here.
I, too, am uninterested in purchasing your wares, my good man. As embarrassing as 2020 was for limp dick “””war””” vets and cuckold cops, it was not some kind of massed, spontaneous revolutionary movement with a core ideology, a leadership structure, and short to intermediate to long-term goals. It was a bunch of college kids reenacting the 1960s by bussing negros into Seattle and Portland.
This may change, but I don’t see the US/Tsarist Russia parallel. Pooch asserts that we south africa now. Not buying it, but he makes a good case. There are other assertions as well. But I wonder if we aren’t unnecessarily putting on blinders by shoehorning today into some event (s) in the past.
Not it was not. It was exactly the revolutionary riots in France and Russia – a bunch of treasonous elites in the capital busing college kids and elites into Seattle and Portland. In Tsarist Russia, the lack of enthusiasm of the masses for participating in Revolutionary vanguard theater was hilarious, and the masses in Paris only participated because they got bread.
Woke, like communism, is a purely elite faith. You say its not a mass faith, therefore not a threat to us, while Alf says that Dark Enlightenment Christianity is not a mass faith, therefore not a threat to the regime. You are both wrong in the same way for the same reason.
And I might retort that you shew similar wishful optimism with Trump, and it seems to me you are repeating the mistake.
Trees do not grow to the sky.
Leftism is going to go on growing lefter, faster and faster. Until someone stops it, or everyone kills each other for insufficient leftism.
I saw some of the summer of love with my own eyes, and much more through other’s eyes. The radicals set their fires, unleashed their pitbulls, and fucked up their own turf. The elites let it happen until the great steal, had a zoom call, and it was over. I’m not saying it was nothing, but I’m having a hard time seeing how it was Paris or Moscow. We’ll see what happens on the next go ’round, but we didn’t see any guillotines, running gun battles, or mass starvation. We do see a not-incarcerated Trump, however.
The guillotines, mass starvation, and running gun battles came after the French and Russian revolutions, not before.
The current situation resembles rule of Russia by the Kadets, and initial rule of France by the National Assembly. No guillotines, mass starvation, and gun battles then, and no one expecting any, though they should have.
@Mike in Boston
Antifa is puny and must be bussed from city to city to carry out their street theater.
Yarvin’s is right about this society being low energy. And Afghanistan proved it.
This society cannot even produce competent heirs for the mafia bosses.
In all recent revolutions, the mobs were puny, and were assembled by treasonous elites to carry out, not the mobs street theater, but the elite’s.
KD brings up a particularly salient point, in my opinion:
If the left is not running out of energy – if Yarvin is wrong, Jim is right, Brezhnevism is out and Red Terror is in – then why isn’t Trump in Jail?
This isn’t some idle rhetorical question. Virtually all of us, myself included, staked serious and non-ambiguous predictions that by this time he would either be imprisoned, exiled, or dead. If they are waiting, then what are they waiting for, and if they are incapable, then how could they hope to crush the entirety of gun-toting flyover country?
A naive conservative might say “wait for Biden to be replaced by Kameltoe/some radical”. But we here know that the Presidency has nothing to do with the President. I’m not seeing the energy, not even in the more radical elements. Maybe it’s all those clot shots slowing them down.
Yes. I predicted Trump would be in jail by now.
Leftism is escalating, but the violence has gone right down. They intend and expect Brezhnevian stagnation. Don’t want dramas, don’t want martyrs. Not what I expected.
The deep state is troubled by inflation, which is way above the seigniorage limit, and have a plan based on magical thinking to solve the problem. They think they can prevent inflation above the seigniorage limit by taxing the rich and the middle class beyond the Laffer limit. They will be going after crypto currency, not to prohibit it, but to shake you down for some. We are heading into economic crisis, but governments do not lose power from economic crisis absent external enemies – and they are trying very hard to avoid external enemies.
The chief threat facing them is the radical left within and without. Allende tried a balancing act between the insane left, and the considerably less insane left, and they are following Allende’s path. Allende simultaneously pissed off the army, the working poor, the middle class, the rich, the right, the less insane left, and the batshit crazy left, as such balancing acts are apt to do, and the same is happening now. But my crystal ball has been suffering a lot of static recently.
I was expecting Biden’s government to suffer the same fate as the Kadets, Octobrists, and the National Assembly. But that has not happened. So far, the balancing act is working.
The Octobrists were the equivalent of the Recucklicans, and Recucklicans are still conducting business as normal, so far now for three months longer than the Octobrists were conducting business as normal with no indication yet of any storm on the horizon.
Similarly, Recucklicanism has lasted longer than Girondism. What is looming for them on the horizon is not sudden death, not yet, but a wipeout in the 2022 elections.
@jim
Name me one US presidential candidate or member of the US elite in the past ten years that commanded a private heavily armed paramilitary organization of over 5,250,000 men, complete with an officer rank structure of Captain, and lieutenant grades 1-4.
>Maybe it’s all those clot shots slowing them down.
Yes, but perhaps not in the exact way you mean.
The instauration of the scamdemic in the last year of the Trump presidency allowed those underlords to accomplish more or less everything they wanted to accomplish without the need for much greater escalation that the already existing trend(s), something which immediately attracts the full support of the old leftist faction behind it.
So they got Trump sidelined, their figurehead is in, they have more or less carte-blanche to play out the kabuki-theater of their managerialist fantasies, and by that same token, a convenient new totem to serve as a locus of faith for people to be focus on, regardless of whether that is to support it or oppose it; the cycle of new distractions to forget the last distractions, for the creation of an eternal current year in the minds of folk.
Its hard to predict anything right now… the puppeteers of the corrupt dementia case do not seem to be able to agree on much other than muh clot shot mandates and are trying for Brezhevian stagnation and thus things are more unpredictable than usual. Its why i don’t post nearly as much because i can’t even make many short term predictions accurately.
Antifa is Larping the 20th century and, unlike actual 20th century communists, get promptly beaten and runoff when they don’t have police protection.
But they do have police protection, and similarly the Russian and French revolutionaries.
I would say that unlike the Russian Empire or the USSR or many other fast-collapse constructs, the USA has accumulated a simply enormous amount of civilizational fat, and it takes a whole lot to burn through that.
Likewise, some of the guardrails built into the system are still working, albeit with increasingly falling efficiency. Only now do some of us appreciate how much thought and foresight and basic understanding of the human condition went into building this country.
A Canada or an Australia or even an England falls much faster than an America.
I still feel that come the summer of 2022 so much of the incompetence will have caused so much entropy, that this will be a window of opportunity across the whole northern hemisphere to push back, dismantle some of the new toxic structures, and embed into society new guardrails based on the lessons of the globohomo takeover.
Perhaps not all countries will survive this splitting into smaller chunks with opposing politics.
And where are they now? I see no Antifa or BLM in the streets ever since Trump was evicted. Seems Moldbug’s right in that the high energy fever pitch of the Trump presidency could not possibly be maintained indefinitely, similar to a fighter pilot red-lining his engine.
If this were Kerensky Russia or pre-revolutionary France there would be revolutionaries in the streets willing to die for the cause. Not seeing that.
Not to encourage martyrism of any kind, but a waco in this climate could very well be a unifying event for both sides. The blues would get a taste of blood, and the reds would have undeniable reason to believe they are slated for destruction. Now, it would have to be a group that’s sympathetic once the story gets out, obviously the media will slander the dead but people are expecting that. I mean that the murdered would have to come across as somewhat normal and just wanting to live their own lives in an American way.
Waco cannot happen today. The last time a leftist president tried a Waco to terrify flyover country it was at the Bundy Ranch. After the feds showed up, some protesters and militias showed up. The feds started trying to flex their muscle and set dogs on the protesters. Then the serious militia types noticed and started rolling in. The feds started marshaling forces and then the militias did too, and the feds realized they were going to end up a casus belli for military intervention because they were outnumbered and outgunned. Then they backed down. That was in 2013, before drag queen story hour and the military losing in Afghanistan.
If they tried that shit today, the militias would eat them alive. They would get surrounded, gunned down, and bulldozed instead of being the ones doing it. The military would get called in and… what? Lose again. The air force is losing pilots to vaccine mandates. You think they will trust them to bomb Americans they probably agree with? What woke general is going to put JDAMs on an airplane, then tell the Chad Jock fighter pilot to drop them on Americans? The army is useless, and the marines have enough people like me still in to paralyze themselves into inaction, even if they were functional enough. No, Waco is the last thing the regime needs.
Bundy Ranch was special in that the feds escalated slowly allowing the militias to build up strength. For such scenario you present a strong argument that no Waco is going to happen.
What about a quick raid without warning? Everybody dead before the militias had a chance to assemble. Do you think that cannot happen today? If so why?
>What about a quick raid without warning?
Requires manly determination, zeal, and righteous faith that you are doing the will of God.
They could do quick raids, but not well, and a quick raid defeats the purpose of a Waco. There is no amassed force that overwhelms the dissidents. The primary purpose of a Waco is not to punish Waco, but to intimidate everyone else. A quick raid does not create the same psychological impact as seeing hundreds or thousands of feds surrounding some poor fucker.
If they do start doing small scale raids, people will return the favor. Then they get the problem of Oklahoma City. The government has too little legitimacy to start assassinating their political opponents. People hate the FBI and the ATF, and are none too fond of the DEA. If they start raiding people, they will get the gun confiscation revolt before they get any guns turned in.
Example of what happens during small raids of Amerikaners. They usually get them but not without taking casualties.
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/02/963361291/south-florida-raid-leaves-2-fbi-agents-dead-others-wounded
Not a gun confiscation case (child porn apparently), but I still think serves as how people will likely respond to raids of these kinds.
>Example of what happens during small raids of Amerikaners. They usually get them but not without taking casualties.
I’m seeing more and more women and trannies on those FBI arrest squads. Combat effectiveness is declining and it’s getting easier to detect people attack your home via modern home surveillance tech.
Same. Losing 1-2 diversity hire agents KIA for every 1 arrest has to collapse their morale. Probably why they brought in full 12-man SWAT teams (which are still white male) for the arrest of each individual J6 attendee. That won’t scale to all of red America.
They had five casualties from one shooter, who offed himself. What do you think happens if it is more than one person shooting back, and they do not kill themselves, but wait for backup. My biggest argument against raids is competence. The military is the most competent at this sort of thing, and they ran like bitches. The feds are relying solely on the illusion of overwhelming force and normalcy bias. If feds start getting routinely slaughtered on these raids, they will stop them almost immediately. They cannot afford to loose more respect for their dwindling ability to project force.
@Pooch
From the article:
“In Florida today, two FBI agents were killed, and three others were wounded while serving a warrant. The suspect, a person accused of violent crimes against children, also died. NPR’s Greg Allen reports that it ranks among the worst shootings in the bureau’s history.”
If two FBI agents getting killed is considered “among the worst shootings in the bureau’s history,” then the FBI isn’t ready for a real military confrontation.
Wulfgar makes good points, but I don’t think it is unlikely that some stunning and brave taskforce leader could get a jump out team annihilated by some good ol’ boys before someone smarter could see the danger and intervene. Particularly if they continue to expand womanpower while purging competency. Indeed, I actually believe it is inevitable that Karen will start sending Shaniqua and José into no-win situations. Unfortunately, I think it is also inevitable that Fat Blue Line cheerleaders and stupid fucking veterans will fall hook, line, and sinker for muh patriotism rhetoric.
In my opinion, the best thing Amerikaners can do is start organizing. Gun clubs, rod clubs, hiking clubs, knitting clubs, all over the place and full to the brim with Amerikaner cultural icons. When any FBI researcher tries to make a list of fundies and domestic Terrences they have to wade through hundreds of thousands of groups, associations, and regions. Call it the Palestinian Defense: every person in the county is at once a possible target and possible martyr.
Fun little video about another Bureau belly-up:
https://youtu.be/iv8cByaVyNQ
That’s an excellent idea, but how do you keep the entryists out? The Boars did it because they had a natural ethnic group to draw from. Pro-American groups instantly get leftist infiltrators not sent by feds, but rather it’s the nature of leftists to enter into such groups so that they can control and consume them.
@Alfred
Conquest’s three laws suffice in most cases, but I think the simplest methodology is to do nothing illegal and suppress thoughtcrime conversations. “Dude, we’re just trying to fish, stop bringing up politics.” The demon worshipers hate and fear any assembly of traditionalists, whites, males, or competents. They don’t even have to discuss anything. Shit, they don’t even have to exist.
Thought experiment (that I sincerely hope someone actually performs): come up with 5 distinct Amerikaner clubs with a name and topic that are exclusionary (men’s only fishing club, women’s only knitting club, etc.) Print ~20 flyers for each and distribute them liberally. The flyers are crafted to portray a group already extant and merely announce the next meeting and location. Sit back and record the responses online. I predict wailing and gnashing of teeth.
I am not saying that it could not happen, I am saying that if the stunning and brave taskforce leader gets a team wiped, the response is going to be much like that of Afghanistan. They will bravely run away. The longer Karen waits to send Jose and Shaniqua, the worse it is going to be. The feds are already hated enough that only a few people will say anything in the comment threads about, “support muh police, thin blue line,” and they get shouted down and have barely any support. Most people want blood, they just do not dare say it out loud. If a diverse team of stunning and brave operators get oppressed and literally-can’t-evened by a member of the cis-het white male patriarchy, the cheers will be audible from space.
It is the default scenario, and quite possibly the most likely scenario.
My argument is that, after Darwin, it has been proven to be stupid in some fairly fundamental ways, with the result that it has mostly vanished into the dustbin of history, and you should not be trying to pull it out. It has retreated from geocentrism, the young earth, and other false claims about the material world that were not really that central to the faith. It can hardly retreat from the notion of an anthropomorphic, benevolent creator God, and while that is not falsifiable by itself, it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that we do not live in the sort of universe that one would expect such a God to create. Jim said so himself, a long time ago:
https://blog.reaction.la/culture/the-watchmaker-is-dead/
Alf, when he talks about restoring Christianity, talks about making it an interesting story, the way C.S. Lewis did, not restoring it as a thing people believe the way they believe in Mongolia. Probably an interesting story is enough for the masses. It is not enough for the elite, certainly not for an elite that will also get us to Mars.
You cannot restore a social order based on a faith that people do not actually believe, and I suspect that most (though not all) of the Dark Enlightenment does not actually believe in Christ, the way the people of the social order we want to restore believed in Christ. Christianity is as dead as paganism was in the fifth century, and for basically the same reason: epistemological transitions are one-way. The worldview of the ancient Christians, where truths about the material world could be derived from pure reason, because the Creator was rational, seems as stupid to us as the worldview where Jupiter threw lightning bolts from Olympus was to them.
The faith of our era is the faith of the Enlightenment, and like Christianity it originally contained both truth and gnosticism, but we had no Constantine and no Council of Nicaea to separate the good from the evil, or if we did, they were themselves evil, and the good was thrown out and the evil made orthodoxy, resulting in our present state religion. But there was always a “Dark Enlightenment”—in the Anglosphere after Darwin, the Right abandoned the appeal to Christ long before the Left did—and though I have no idea what that would look like as a state religion, it is the path I foresee, unless Christianity is significantly re-invented. Maybe that is possible and desirable, but I am not making a straw man when I say that surviving old type Christian traditions do not share our goals or worldview.
Biblical literalism never has been fundamental to Christianity.
You will notice, for example, that the last supper occurs on Passover, then Jesus is arrested at night, then several days worth of hearings and travel happens, then he is crucified on the day of Passover. No one ever worried about that for two millennia.
We now know, having discovered the Dead Sea scrolls, that this is not a contradiction, because the Essenes, and therefore presumably the fans of John the Baptist, held Passover on the old calendar, while the Pharisees, who crucified Jesus, held Passover on the new calendar, which, given the startling swiftness of Roman and Parisee procedures, gives roughly the right amount of time. And when we learned that there was no contradiction nobody cared either. No sigh of relief ensued. No footnotes were inserted in the post Dead Sea Scrolls Bibles. No adjustments were made to Easter Week rituals.
Progressives are horrified by the Ipuwer Papyrus, which is carbon dated to the Bronze Age collapse roughly forty or fifty years before the cities of Canaan burned (the collapse took a while), because it gives a naturalistic (and considerably more internally consistent) account of the events in Egypt reported in Exodus. So they implausibly interpret it as a fairy tale about long ago events, even though it is naturalistic and references events that we know happened at roughly the carbon date. Rather than being overjoyed because it contradicts Exodus in the miracles, and arguably casts doubt on Passover itself, academics hastily explain it away while Christians believe it says what it says. The academics are not frightened of Biblical literalists. Since they are determined to believe Exodus is a fairy tale, they hastily interpret the Ipuwer Papyrus as a fairy tale derived from the same source as Exodus, and refuse to treat it as a source describing the Bronze Age collapse, even though it is dated to a civilizational collapse, and all about a civilizational collapse.
I am not talking about Biblical literalism, and have been fairly explicit that I am not talking about literalism. I am talking about fundamental Christian assertions about the nature of God that seem, to me, to contradict or at least compromise the scientific, rationalist worldview. I am not even an atheist, properly speaking; it is untenable to deny the existence of the First Mover, but I do deny that He moves the world at a scale and in a way relevant to humanity, because that is not what I see in front of my face.
Yul, below, affirms what I have been trying to say, but from the Christian perspective. Probably he will be more credible speaking about his own beliefs than I was speaking about the beliefs of others, and I don’t think that anyone here would dare call him a demon worshipper.
Ultimately I do not want to debate the existence of eternity, since it is unfalsifiable, and I begrudge no one belief in it, as long as his beliefs about this world are sane. In fact I have too much respect for them to try to converge my faith, which is first and foremost of this world, to theirs.
Just not seeing those “fundamental Christian assertions”. They sound like stupid literalism to me. Straw man Christianity. You have not made any “fundamental Christian assertions” that I accept in the sense you insist on giving them, or that very many Christians have ever accepted in that sense.
I am sure I have the scientific rational worldview. I am far from sure that you do. Maybe I should construct a demon worshiper test that instead of identifying fake adherents of Christianity, identifies fake adherents of the scientific world view.
But the big problem is not your idea of the scientific rational worldview consists of, but that your idea of fundamental Christian assertions comes from stupid heretical protestant sects as re-imagined by internet atheists.
Pick one “fundamental Christian assertion” that you think is your strongest claim, and let us debate that assertion and, if necessary, what the scientific rational worldview actually is.
Pick one point, rather than vaguely waving your hands in the direction of illiterate backwoods Christians as re-imagined by internet atheists, and we will discuss that point. You say that Yul Bornhold. has agreed with you. Not seeing it, not that I agree with Yul either.
Yul asserts that the next world is more important than this, which it is, but I hear an implication in his words that we may neglect our job in this world, our duties to allies, to friends, to kin, to our descendants, and to our ancestors. (I may be misconstruing him) Not seeing how this contradicts the scientific rational world view.
My one point is the assertion Yul made.
Obviously I do not agree with you or Yul on this one, since I do not believe that the next world exists at all, but I am arguing that belief that the next world is more important than this one necessarily implies that one not only may, but must, neglect things of this world when they come into conflict with things of the next.
The only way around this is to declare that there is no conflict, to converge Christian virtue perfectly to the things that lead to one’s descendants inheriting the stars, but no actual historical Christian church has successfully done this.
What assertion did he make that contradicts the scientific rational world view?
How does doing ones duty in this world come into conflict with the things of the next?
And now we are back to you identifying Christianity with the belief system of illiterate backwoods radical protestants as imagined by internet atheists.
Established Anglicanism from 1663 till they were disestablished successfully did this. Christian virtue conquered empire, created the scientific revolution, and industrialized Britain. The battle of Waterloo was won on the playing fields of Eton.
Non Christian societies are strangely unable to do science, though atheists of diverse cultural backgrounds can do science provided they are embedded in a Christian society. (hence the decline of science since World War II)
Either we have radically different readings of Yul, or we have radically different ideas about what the scientific rational worldview is.
Explain. You are not making any sense.
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Yul asserts that the next world is more important than this, which it is, but I hear an implication in his words that we may neglect our job in this world, our duties to allies, to friends, to kin, to our descendants, and to our ancestors. (I may be misconstruing him) Not seeing how this contradicts the scientific rational world view.
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Christ had something to say about people who neglected their duties under holy pretenses. From the Gospel according to St. Mark:
“9And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. 10For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: 11But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. 12And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; 13Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.”
The pharisees thought they could jew their aging parents out of financial support by making a status-boosting gift to the temple. God was not amused.
People who become monastics and renounce the world must have the freedom to do so. A slave can’t just quit to join a monastery. A father can’t abandon his sons and so on.
Maybe we have some point of disagreement as to what material concerns might be neglected but can’t think of them at present.
The Christian tradition I am familiar with, and thus primarily critiquing, is not backwoods Protestantism, but Roman Catholicism as practiced between the Middle Ages and the 19th century, with modern survivals (or revivals). This has probably fewer adherents than backwoods Protestantism, but more than the Dark Enlightenment (Christian or not), and they generally present themselves as our allies, so they are worth critiquing.
There is conflict between this world and the next if the Church defines holiness in a way that contradicts evolutionary biology and game theory, which it is likely to do because the way it makes decisions, the way all priestly organizations make decisions, contradicts the scientific rational worldview, as we are calling it. An ecumenical council is peer review for religion, and it sucks for exactly the same reasons peer review sucks.
The scientific rational worldview is nullius in verba. The Catholic worldview is that if five hundred bishops agree the sky is purple, then you are the one that is blind.
To give my favorite example, in the Protestant Reformation, some people noticed that women were not all that interested in being virgins, and thus convents were basically temple prostitution by another name, so they closed the convents and told all the women to get married. The Church responded by anathematizing the proposition that the state of marriage was superior to the state of virginity, which is contrary to Darwinism even if the nuns were actually remaining virgins, but, because Darwinism, they were largely not.
The Orthodox and Anglican churches have been mostly free from this kind of insanity, having had their councils under the watchful eye of the sovereign, but the Orthodox Christian that I debated on this subject yesterday seemed unable to admit the necessary corrective role of the Emperor, even after I pointed out that the council he was citing only condemned a particular heretic after Justinian had ordered all his writings to be burned, because the Emperor is not very holy, and it is contradictory for someone who aspires to holiness to admit that what is needed is less holiness.
Neither Justinian, nor Henry VIII, nor Vladimir Putin seem to me like very holy men, so I will amend my previous position to: Christian holiness and this-worldly virtue can only be converged by not-very-holy men, which is what you have advocated on this blog for a long time, so we are in agreement on that.
My argument is: if your religion can only remain sane by keeping saints out of the corridors of power, does that not mean that you have the wrong definition of holiness?
The last time that a major religion tried that one on was four centuries ago. It does not happen too often. And continuing to push that old worn out trope just makes internet atheists look stupid.
As Saint Augustine told us, religious consensus on empirically falsifiable issues is just likely to make the Church look stupid. Well, sometimes the Church has looked stupid, but the consensus of the Communion of Saints is that the Church should shut the %@%& up on such things.
TLDR of the above:
The Church contradicts the rational scientific worldview because it can decide things that contradict what I see in front of my face, and punish me for not believing them. The Orthodox are more flexible on this than the Catholics, and the Anglicans more flexible than the Orthodox, but ultimately the problem is not even Christian, it is fundamental to the way the priest caste makes decisions, and is also responsible for the errors of peer review.
My ideal society has no dedicated priest caste at all, with the few necessary roles of the priest played by husbands, fathers, and kings, but I am not yet sure what this would look like in the modern world.
Nuts
Saint Augustine addressed that one a very long time ago, and throughout ages his wise opinion has been generally followed.
Here we go again…
Peer review for Christianity is good because it prevents any one individual from deviating from the faith. Peer review for science is evil because it prevents any one individual from challenging a scientific consensus.
Orthodoxy is not Catholicism and as such does not require people to obey bishops if they cross the line and advocate heresy. Unlike the Pope, if Patriarch Kirill says the sky is purple no one has to believe him. Justinian was able to put an end to the Origenist problem because the church was already reaching a consensus, but the Iconoclast Emperors among them Constantine V who summoned the Council of Hieria were not able to redefine church doctrine.
Then the Church had better not make any falsifiable statements about the material world, at least not in ways that are supposed to be infallible.
Tired old internet atheist argument.
The Church is not supposed to pontificate on falsifiable matters about the material world. There is a rather long tradition about this. (Which does not always stop it from doing so, but it stops it sufficiently.)
Feanor: “There is conflict between this world and the next if the Church defines holiness in a way that contradicts evolutionary biology and game theory… in the Protestant Reformation, some people noticed that women were not all that interested in being virgins, and thus convents were basically temple prostitution by another name… The Church responded by anathematizing the proposition that the state of marriage was superior to the state of virginity, which is contrary to Darwinism even if the nuns were actually remaining virgins, but, because Darwinism, they were largely not.”
That’s a bit of a tangle. The instincts of biology push us towards reproduction. So men want to fuck as many women as possible and women want to betray their man in favor of a better man. This is pure instinct and yet this is not conducive to civilization. So we attempt to regulate and channel these instincts.
It seems you’re arguing the Catholic Church has done a poor job of this.
The state of marriage is undeniably superior to the state of virginity for purposes of reproduction but a society doesn’t consist solely in reproduction. The Chinese, for example, invented a eunuch scholar/administrator class. Think of it in terms of character creation in an RPG. In this analogy, you’re arguing that the civilization should put all its points into reproduction whereas I could see a materialistic purpose for a more balanced build. The Protestant rejection of monasticism occurred with the discovery of the new world. They had somewhere to put the excess population which medieval Catholic Europe did not. Moreover, wealth producing monasteries *without children* necessarily spread some of that wealth outwards to the greater society like a medieval version of the incel programmer.
Of course, no church that teaches virginity is superior to marriage means that in terms of *good to society* but in personal spiritual terms but you can make a materialistic argument for utility on the civilizational scale.
Feanor: “Neither Justinian, nor Henry VIII, nor Vladimir Putin seem to me like very holy men… if your religion can only remain sane by keeping saints out of the corridors of power, does that not mean that you have the wrong definition of holiness?”
As you know, saint (sanctus) means holy. And, as it so happens, the Orthodox Church venerates Justinian as a saint:
https://www.oca.org/saints/lives/2017/11/14/103301-saint-justinian-the-emperor
You evidently have a very different, or perhaps more limited, point of view on what makes a saint. But it’s not fair to criticize someone’s use of a category while not properly acknowledging his use of the category.
Then the Church had better not make any falsifiable statements about the material world, at least not in ways that are supposed to be infallible.
Or it could operate like Mighty SCIENCE!! and be wrong all the time, hold mutually incompatible doctrines with a smirk, celebrate being mystically Wrong Yet Right, seriously advocate strong views weakly held, etc etc.
A positivist atheist asexual MIT physics professor and Dr Who fan was teaching a class on Bertrand Russel, known autist
“Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship our formulation of science as the only means of truth, and any other thing is superstition!”
At this moment, a brave, intelligent, pro-tean continental philosopher, who has written over 1500 essays on the ontology of power and fully supported cardinality in all ways of knowing stood up and held a rock.
“What IS this rock?”
The arrogant professor smirked quite whiggishly and smugly replied “A mixture of quartz and other minerals you low IQ jock”
“Fool, for you have taken the identity of this object as a mere composition of it’s parts, but you failed to define an essence. If everything were just irreducable atoms… then you yourself would be indistinguishable from a rock”
The professor was visibly shaken and dropped his chalk and a copy of A Brief History of Time. He stormed out of the room crying those asthma induced crocodile tears. The same tears scientists cry for the “scientifically illiterate” (who today live much worse lives thanks to instrumental techne obscuring the collapse of social techne) while they jealously try to claw profound epistemological models from true thinkers. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, Sheldor Leonard, wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than a mere paper milling grant monkey. He wished that he could defend himself in writing, but he himself had petitioned against “useless” rhetorical courses!
The students applauded and all entangled with the nature of Being that day and accepted the multiplexy of their animating structures. An eagle named “Will to Power” flew in into the room and looked deeply into the void. The original formulation of the categorical imperative was read several times, and Nietzsche himself showed up and called science gay.
The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died after being purged by his ‘fellow travelers’ on trumped up socio-political charges due to failing to perceive the teleological implications of their shifting status signaling beforehand.
Aletheia!
Yul,
There is a good argument for the civic utility of male monasticism. I do not see a similar argument for female monasticism, but maybe there is one. What is not arguable is that it is arguable, and dependent on the temporal situation. Obviously we do not have an excess population crisis now, we have a fertility and involuntary celibacy crisis, but this canon continues to hold, and since the decision was not actually made on the basis of temporal utility at all, one must presume that they would make the same decision if the Council of Trent were held today.
The relative value of marriage and virginity should not be a matter of binding and unchangeable religious doctrine at all, but if it must, the doctrine should be the opposite of what it is, since when things are left unchecked, we do not have an excess of marriage, but an excess of female promiscuity and male involuntary celibacy. Yet I still see Catholic priests arguing that what we need is more religious vocations. If I reply that what we actually need is Australian bride auctions, I will be called a coomer and possibly a heretic.
I do not want to get into a debate on the life and morals of Justinian, since the historiography there is very complicated, but the Western view on the Eastern canonization of him and several other Emperors is that they were the result of their undue political influence on the Church, not their personal holiness. Now, my belief is that if there is a next world, it is a mirror of this one, where glory does not have very much to do with personal holiness at all, thus the Church was right to canonize the Emperor, and ignore the ten thousand peasants who were more personally holy than him, but I do not think that this is what the Orthodox Church actually teaches about sainthood either.
Jim (et al.),
If you think that the Church never pontificates on materially falsifiable claims, then your definition of what is materially falsifiable is too narrow. The red and blue pill positions on women are material and falsifiable, and any doctrine on sex and marriage must necessarily presume one of those. The problem is not the pontificating, which is necessary, but the consensus based decision mechanism.
You are all strawmanning my views as 2010 “internet atheism”, when in fact I am very aware of how Dawkins got pwned. Mine are basically the same views as Moldbug’s, except that Moldbug was never writing for an audience that thought old type Christianity could or should be revived.
Unlikely that it was due to their undue political influence, since well and truly dead at the time. And you don’t base sainthood purely on personal holiness, or even substantially on personal holiness. That way lies holiness spirals.
Saint Justinian the Emperor was the last Roman. He restored empire, sane Christianity, and Greco Roman civilization, absorbing Greco Roman civilization into Christianity, and Christianity into Greco Roman civilization.
In the course of restoring order in Rome and Constantinople, he killed a very large number of people, many of them innocent. In the course of restoring the Roman empire in Africa, the war unintentionally turned genocidal, and Rome killed perhaps five million people through famine, pestilence, and direct violence He made an important effort to use the minimum necessary violence and to restrain excesses. But civilization and empire was rather far gone, and as events unfolded uncontrollably and events continually teetered on the brink of collapse, the minimum necessary violence turned out to be quite a lot of violence.
His sainthood was well deserved and entirely appropriate, and demonstrates a sane and healthy Christianity, whose health and sanity owed much to Saint Justinian the Emperor.
Let us pray for another Saint like that one.
The reason you need consensus on matters of law, faith, and morals, is you want every man playing from the same rule book, and you want every man to know what rules the other man is playing by.
Obviously the Church should issue doctrine about matters of faith and morals on sex and marriage, and that doctrine should be based on the consensus of living Bishops and on the consensus of the Communion of Saints. But the living Bishops should issue doctrine on faith and morals based on the empirical scientific research that gave us the red pill, without issuing doctrine on the empirical facts revealed by the empirical research, which are the province of each individual researcher, each giving us his own experiences without running them through consensus or peer review.
Which is pretty much what the Bible and the Church during its saner periods has always done.
Or to put it in other words, the consensus is not something used to make decisions, it is something imposed after the decision has been made.
I would put it the other way around.
Each person comes to his own decision on the evidence, and after a while you figure out that most of the people who matter have come to the same or similar conclusions, and announce it as the official consensus to everyone.
Having discovered that there is consensus among people who matter, then you impose it on people who do not matter and members of the elite who are being difficult.
Sure, but easily gamed – as we have seen.
My point was you are going to need single a single authority or chain of authorities in any case, the responsible agent for doing the official ‘discovering’ and ‘announcing’.
Rectification of names. What makes a consensus official?
Obviously, for it to be official, you have to have a gathering of an adequate and representative sample of the people who matter, and someone has to gather them, keep the meeting in order, and announce what the consensus is.
And if anyone else announces consensus or becomes unduly creative with the official announcement, the inquisition needs to invite him over for coffee and a ham sandwich.
Darwin is not my god. Your ends are not my ends. To me, Mars, eugenics, even marriage and reproduction are secondary goals. They are not, of themselves, satisfactory goals when framed against the frailty of mortality and the terrible gulf of eternity.
The wise king grasped the riches of the realm and he saw that all of his wealth, his power and his women were vanity and grasping for the wind. And he was not wrong. Where now is his kingdom? Where now his inheritance and his sons?
I cannot look at the vast span of ages without a heady drunkenness brought on by the dust of millions of years nor can I overlook the dust. We are mortals who cannot endure our own mortality.
For some others, this, perhaps, does not seem troubling but I cannot escape such doubts of death and life. The material life of man seems, to me, necessarily an epiphenomenon of the spiritual world.
Even evolution and the common origin of species seems unnecessary (which is not to say untrue) for the philosophical insight that we live in a world of defect/defect. You deny that the good God would create such a world but the Church has always taught he did not. Have you forgotten?
I do not consider myself one of “you” because your goals are materialistic and temporal. My goal is salvation. Nevertheless, reaction is a useful mirror because it revealed much anti-Christianity that I mistook for Christianity. For example: “chivalry.” Though politics are secondary to my true goal, it is interesting to think about what would be a healthy society and much of the dark enlightenment is eminently practical. This is not mere intellectual vanity for me. I do not care for reactionaries discussing what they plan to do to my faith and do intend to be conformed to their image. This is “your” site and “your” place and you do not seem eager to be converged to my faith, so I mostly keep silent.
You are all quite concerned with winning. We would like that as well and perhaps we will this time but we have always lived in memory of the apocalypse to come. Your concerns about Christianity “dying” concern us as well but we have always known it must happen one day and it will not frighten us from the way.
The true interpretation of christianity is revealed by good fruit, bad fruit inevitably means bad doctrine.
Should my plans succeed, my descendants will inherit the stars.
Yul’s post has a mysticism reminiscent of the words of St. Isaac the Syrian.
Fëanor’s concerns are legitimate from a theological perspective but difficult to address as foundational thought between the Dark Enlightenment and Christianity is not isomorphically identical, thus one cannot debate certain theological subjects without requiring the other to reject his own knowledge system. In simpler terms, every man sees through a glass darkly and as such what matters is not fine theological points rather the spiritual direction of our actions.
As a Christian I believe Jesus Christ is Lord and I believe in one holy, catholic and apostolic Church. I hold no cynicism regarding these beliefs, and the spiritual illness which affected men such as C.S. Lewis is not applicable to me.
Debating theology on this blog is only useful if it proves relevant to the subjects of the Dark Enlightenment. While my positions on Catholicism are far less generous than those of Cominator, I do not attack it as Catholics here have neither practiced entryism against Orthodoxy nor ascribed a heretical position to the faith. Your concerns on Genesis are indeed valid but not germane to the subjects discussed here.
You’re more anti catholic than i am… that’d be hard.
My problems with Catholicism are theological; that is, historical and contemporary concerns are secondary to foundational errors. The decline of the West has its ideological roots in the Schism of Rome.
Quite so.
In the schism, the hierarchy of Constantinople was seeking possession of Churches. The Papacy was seeking possession of kingdoms and armies.
Everything descends from Palamas vs Barlaam and the problems of incorporating Aristotelian metaphysics into Christianity.
Apologies Jim for double-posting, I would prefer this one deleted.
If I delete it, all the existing replies to it will be orphaned and disappear, unless I first manually move each of them .
Alasdair MacIntyre is a good writer on this subject, particularly ‘Rival Versions of Moral Enquery’, and ‘Whose Justice, Which Rationality?’.
Wish we had kept some form of contact when you ditched twitter. Oh, well.
The Dark Enlightenment idea of holiness spiraling has been helpful in understanding the Orthodox concept of “not judging” others. Christ says to do your good deeds in secret (as far as possible) but the left insists you should do your “good deeds” (poz) in public and harass others for not doing the same. From the reactionary perspective, such theology very useful in discouraging ambitious power-grasping cut-throats from using their supposed holiness as a disguised tool to build influence. From an Orthodox perspective, this reactionary insight further justifies Christ’s wisdom.
In regards to social doctrine, the best and simplest way to teach this point to everyone is to say “Let your good deeds be in secret and your Father who sees openly will reward you.” When you start talking in terms of holiness spiraling, you’ve entered the realm of academic theory, which can’t and shouldn’t be taught to everyone.
Just another example of the relevance of reaction to the faith.
What spiritual illness afflicted C.S. Lewis?
In an old post I linked a while ago, Jim said that C.S. Lewis treated Christianity as a children’s story, not as something that was actually true. Not sure if this is correct or not, although it seems to be from my knowledge of him.
Though Gab may have its faults, there are many accounts with insightful and funny content which more importantly do not get continuously banned. Doing five captchas on Tor while using burner phones was not worth it, though I may make a new account under a different name.
Not taking God as first principle is not specific to C.S. Lewis rather affecting almost all Christians today, leading to accommodating demonic ideas within one’s faith. Other than the watchmaker analogy conclusion being non sequitur, it assumes God is something to be questioned at all as God is not limited by causality.
No Christian thinks or has ever thought “pure reason” – as in reason unaided by the senses or by revelation from God. “Pure reason” is a creation of manists, people who worship men, not god.
What Christians, integrating Greek culture and philosophy, thought, is that the creation is obviously rational, therefore a rational creator, therefore the world is knowable through the senses and by revelation. And revelation is uncommon.
Which is not stupid, but obviously correct. And when we are in power, anyone who doubts it is not going to get a state or quasi state job, and Google is going to derank anything he posts on the internet. If he creates art, he will find his art is not going to move through the usual channels.
Orthodox state Anglican position used to be that studying the world taught you about God (and, of course, the world.) thus a form of worship, thus integrating the practice of science into the official religion. (Hence joke about beetles.)
Christianity’s problem is that modern elites can’t believe it’s true.
Christianity was destroyed by hostile elites who took advantage of Christianity as a social technology’s tenuous relationship with capital t Truth (the causal factor behind Christianity as a social technology’s constant and innumerable schisms), and rendered it completely unbelievable by modern elites.
The desire for truth is a more powerful motivator than sex or status or power and this can be personally confirmed upon honest individual reflection. This is what modern materialists (jim (not a pejorative)) do not understand and why they cannot square the circle of Christianity as a social technology and Christianity as capital t Truth.
The next prophet will square the circle.
Hear hear.
Jim is exactly right. On a reactionary blog we may quibble about his understanding of “democracy”, but generally I like the way Viktor Orban put it:
That is excellent propaganda, and I mean that in the traditional sense of the word. Orban makes a good case for something I have a hard time articulating. I want to be a non-christian in an explicitly Christian society where we are free to disagree, respectfully and quietly. No, I don’t want anti-christianity subversives making art and corrupting virgins. But I do want my property to be under my rule and I wish to be free to explore the Path of GNON.
So how would we handle free-riders on our social technology? Free riders who have already wrecked it once, at that.
Jizya? Second class citizenship? Physical separation into ghetto?
Free-riders need an opportunity or two to correct their sloth. Failing that, they are “…for the road. (-Senator Arthur Jellison) But I’m not proposing that I get to run a gnostic compound, or a ranch for midwit post-modern protestants. I wish to be left in peace in the confines of the land that I have and hold. The moment I step foot off of it, I am a God fearing, king submitted man of Christ. No heresy should be tolerated in the public square. It doesn’t need to go further than that, because true heretics cannot keep it to themselves. They are always seeking new thralls and more baubles. If a man worships a stone carved satan in the dead of night, underground, all alone on his own property, and never tells anyone, what harm can he do?
I think this addresses what you’re asking but I might getting it.
Well, he can be doing harm is the sense of being a sort of man who finds anti-civilizational ideologies germane to his character.
Precisely. If he is a powerful man of influence and means, he will not be content to be a church of one. He will seek converts and grow the faith. He is a heretic. He must die. But what if a lesser man, of modest means and status, who kneels to the king, serves his community, controls his women, and fathers children keeps a secret shrine to Thor, and tells no one? I don’t think he presents a threat. And he isn’t free-riding the Christian social technology, he is participating in it.
Hey, I wanted to say that when I asked why you speak in riddles, I wasn’t attacking you or complaining. I was genuinely curious, and I wasn’t actually referencing that specific post, I was thinking of the many, many contributions you’ve made here. Your prose intimidates me. I screencap many of them (pseudo removed) and ponder them. You are a great writer and a powerful thinker, and I genuinely appreciate and enjoy when you comment. I don’t like how much your essays fly over my head, but that’s a me problem. Sorry for gushing, but I felt honor bound to state explicitly that I know my place.
A verse with poeticism may resolve towards that which is needed, in the mind of the man channeling it. Those verses which can have the most profound impact on a being are as if something emanating from an other world, transfigured into a form more comprehensible by the subject.
It is well to make statements that are open to the possibility of truth, than that are mechanically constrained into error.
When a virtuous writer intuits a well crafted turn of phrase, it becomes something a reader may draw right implications from; something which he may even, more significantly, make connections with in contexts that not even the writer themselves might have been able to have had so consciously in mind.
The ancients understood what it meant for a writer to be willing to open themselves up, to channeling the divine, when they invoked the muses.
The sense of the sentiment that one may express may not always specifically be the same exact sense that would, in that moment, be rejoined with; yet at the same time, in a virtuous reader, it too may also be in line, coherent with the sentiment as well; an expression of how the dynamic, so expressed, may felicitously play itself out in these and other ways.
An act of language takes on life of it’s own, once released out into the wild; to have a sense of how they may grow, how they may be disposed, more to this or less to that, to sense the *worthiness* of that which they may be disposed towards, is the acme rhetorical art.
What he can do, and with great regularity has done, is explain that he is a Christian, but his Christianity is much holier than your Christianity, and superior holiness consists of extremely virtuous beliefs and extremely virtuous practices which practices somehow in practice somehow wind up as sacrificing children to a stone idol of Satan and drinking their blood.
Hostile entryists within the Christianity have been a huge problem from the beginning, starting with Simon the Magician, and in a state religion immediately become a bigger and more threatening problem that needs to be dealt with. William Wilberforce and his saints should have been enslaved and sent to Jamaica to cut cane.
Implicit in each response is the assumption that the man will inevitably take the stone satan, and his beliefs, out of the hideaway and into the square. My concern is not with the stone satan, it is with the man.
No
Not what we are saying.
Rather, he will keep his stone idol in Epstein’s Island out of public view, and invite selected important people to the island, where they get to network with other selected important people. And the inner circle of the selected important people will sacrifice virgins to the idol in the deepest secrecy.
And a century after that, they will be tearing out the hearts of the unvaxed on the public to the accompaniment of ear shattering Satanic Metal music and throwing their bodies off the stage to be eaten by the congregation in the glare of the television cameras.
Children never suffer noticeable consequences from China flu, and if they get it, do not transmit it to others. They sometimes suffer death or disability from the vax. Vaxxing the children is the beginning of human sacrifice. Once human sacrifice begins, it will escalate until violently stopped, since almost any doctrine becomes remarkably believable once you start sacrificing people to it.
Then, with no hesitation, let’s violently Stop.
Demon worshippers die, cynics and outsider non demon worshipper religions (buddhists for example) are tolerated but cannot get state or quasi state jobs.
>this results in a very different system of morality
As a post-protestant, it is different from *your* christianity, but it is not different from Christianity, in the sense of the Orthodoxy (ortho doxia – ‘correct opinion’).
Contracts have never been systematically enforced. Lawyers are notoriously and extraordinarily crooked, judges notoriously corrupt. No one in business want to go near a court of law, because they will be convicted of being a ham sandwich, and forced to pay a ransom to the lawyers, some which will somehow find its way into the pockets of the judge.
If ordinary people misbehave, you think judges and lawyers will behave? Do we have angels to govern us?
Indeed. People enter contracts because they believe the contract will be served, not because they belive the contract will be enforced.
If I believe a man will not want to abide to a contract, the rational decision is not make a contract with him. That is rational even if we had angels to govern us. Bringing a case to court involves a lot of time. Noone can routinely afford spending that time.
Isn’t this veering on the lolbertarian side?
No, we don’t have angels to govern us. We ideally have stationary bandits and robber-barons, who, through their own wisdom or wise council, learn that their coffers grow much faster when men have wives, highways are free of highwaymen, and contracts are enforceable and enforced.
This is Old Testament stuff. A society with no center to enforce a code of laws – no matter whether those laws are convoluted legal codes or hastily-scrawled royal writs – is not going to remain a society for very long. And public morality flows from the top down, not from the bottom up.
In all societies at all times, contractors and contractees have to be able to trust each other. That is not a job that can be outsourced to the justice system.
Social trust and law enforcement are part of a virtuous cycle. I’ll cite gang theory and prison studies as precedent, in which killing snitches is beneficial not only to the gang as a whole but also to the individuals in it. Maintaining an existing cooperate-cooperate equilibrium is relatively cheap, authority-wise, but establishing one in the first place usually requires an iron fist.
Practically speaking, the degree to which I trust a contractor is a combination of several factors, including tribe/ingroup, prior experience, rational assessment of their competence and demeanor… and also what recourse I’m likely to have if they fail to perform. We don’t live in tiny villages anymore where everyone knows everyone else, so we have to use inductive methods to decide on whom to employ. Amidst the modern-day breakdown of contract law, often my only recourse is not to pay, and so obviously I’m not going to trust any contractor who demands the full fee up front.
I consider myself pretty motivated, take pride in my work, hate owing money or favors, and yet I still find myself considerably less motivated if I know there will be no penalty at all for delaying or underperforming. “The squeaky wheel gets the grease” didn’t come out of nowhere. Legal escalation isn’t the be-all and end-all of a functioning economy, but is definitely a component of it.
Of course the degree to which you trust a contractor is a combination of several factors, including tribe/ingroup, prior experience, rational assessment of their competence and demeanor… and also what recourse you are likely to have if they fail to perform, but the important thing is that you contract only when you trust.
Doesn’t matter where the trust comes from. If you do not have it, it is rational not to contract.
Of course law enforcement is necessary, but is for the exception when trust was breached and maybe for honest disagreement.
Like killing traitors and snitches is beneficial, but any man who ever was betrayed trusted the traitor. No trust, no opportunity to betray
“Social trust and law enforcement are part of a virtuous cycle. I’ll cite gang theory and prison studies as precedent, in which killing snitches is beneficial not only to the gang as a whole but also to the individuals in it. Maintaining an existing cooperate-cooperate equilibrium is relatively cheap, authority-wise, but establishing one in the first place usually requires an iron fist.”
Every high trust society I can think of had two elements (Which are the Anglo world prior to say the late 60s, the Nordic world probably prior to the same period, Japan is the only one still left)
1) General ethnic homogeneity
2) Centuries of extremely harsh criminal justice
Subcthonic emanations of Being oozing up through cracks in the discourse – also known as scuttlebutt on anonymous chinese cartoon appreciation forums – has increasingly touched on the notion that some part of the crucial animus behind wokists frenzied antipathy to ivermectin, is coming from the fact that since a large percentage of momos happen to have intestinal parasites, and that this likely has some associated link of influence, widespread use of safe and effective antiparasitics threatens their existence as a class – both metaphorically and literally.
True if big. I wonder how much the gut makes decisions for us in the realm of the political.
The optics of parasites shrieking about an antiparasitic are quite funny
Sorry in advance for posting something that has been discussed just recently below. Nevertheless I think it’s important to know this basic understanding for someone outside christian ortodoxy like myself.
So, what is wrong with biblical literalism?
Even when I first knew bible, this is first topic that I encounter. I ended up as biblical literalist myself. So I imagine, if you want to convert lots of non-christiant into christianity you need to be very coherent in this topic.
Anecdotally, biblical literalists are the most enthusiastic and charismatic preacher I ever knew. Kent Hovind is good example (God bless him). I don’t see lot anti-literalist speaking in public trying to gather convert, it was always boring seminar with hard to understand monologue.
So if you were to exclude biblical literalists from neo-reactionary discussion it would be very detrimental to your cause to establish mainstream christianity.
>So, what is wrong with biblical literalism?
Christianity is trivially easy to disprove if one is a bible literalist. They’re also extremely easy to manipulate using bible verses very much disconnected from the wider context. I watched my entire family get suckered by these charlatans growing up.
It’s just another form of holiness spiraling.
“The devil can quote Scripture for his purpose;
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the core.”
>Christianity is trivially easy to disprove if one is a bible literalist.
I used to be cynics to biblical literalism. From modern scientific view it’s very easy to regard Genesis as mere fairy tail.
For example, some people think Genesis account is wrong because there is light before sun. But till this day scientific do not agree the true nature of light let alone knowing it’s primordial origin.
It’s also very hard to deny that biblical stories are geocentric which clashes with modern heliocenteic view.
>They’re also extremely easy to manipulate
I think it’s more about overall lower level of intelligence (in your family). Because bastards like Joel Osteen and Kanneth Copeland who only sees bible as money printing machine will misquote bible regardless they actually believe or not. People suckered by those devils because they never read their bible.
I’ve been there, some preacher saying soms stupid bulshit what I need to do was flipping few verses back then calling out on his bs. It was always that easy.
Pertaining full context during discussion was never about bible as literal or metaphorical.
>It’s just another form of holiness spiraling
Then you need to explain how Islam can survive so long despite Islam is very coherently biblical literallist.
> For example, some people think Genesis account is wrong because there is light before sun
Pretty nonsensical objection. Photons were bouncing around before stars were made
I know right, but if you watch moslem debunking torah this objection veeery common.
@Ducking Man
There are two different creation stories in Genesis, thus precluding any chronological interpretation.
Understanding the meaning of Genesis and Exodus requires the context of the age when it was compiled (after the Bronze Age collapse).
For example, in the Elohim Genesis account, the Sun and Moon aren’t named. But are instead, given generic names:
Genesis 1:14-19
“14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:”
“15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.”
“16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.”
“17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,”
“18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.”
“19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.”
Why did the authors of the Elohim Genesis account use generic names for the Sun and Moon?
Perhaps the religious and political situation of Late Bronze Age Egypt and Canaan might offer a clue…
@Starman
I used to dabble on this debate why Elohim turned into YHVH. Some say it was a devil (YHVH) pretending to Elohim, some say it’s 2 entirely different godly being.
In the end I came to conclusion “let’s mash them together like everyone else, I don’t know, you don’t know, nobody in this entire world know”.
I retreat to occam’s razor when there is no explanation in bible everywhere else.
@Ducking Man
“nobody in this entire world know”
Bullshit, we know enough about Ancient Egypt to know why the Elohim account was compiled after the power of the Amun-Re priesthood was safely confined to the Nile.
You’re obviously deeply incurious, perhaps you’re better off posting on Facebook and Gettr instead of here.
The bible is full of stuff, that if taken literally, is empirically false, or contradicts other parts of the bible, or even contradicts other parts of the same book written by the same author. Which gives people no end of room to snatch one verse out of context and run with it.
Where?
Reading genesis till Deutronomy many times over I don’t see one story contradicts later stories.
If you don’t see any contradictions, you are not actually treating it as literal geography and history, in which case the only question is how non literal to go.
Shall we start from the beginning:
– 7 days od creation – taking it literally won’t interfere anything, in fact the entire biblical fanaticism with sabbath and cycle of 7 are entirely on account to 7 days of creation.
As for Garden of Eden, we knew from account of enoch was entirely different physical plane. Lower plane is earth, separated by body of water (which later become source of Noah flood), the upper plane is what we call Heaven containing garden of eden. It seems like during Adam’s time used to connected somehow.
I also see no issue believing biblical account on astrology which is definitely geocentric.
These 3 fundamental literalism won’t interfere anything on later stories. The Sun stopped for a while because one guy is begging to be so, Tower of Babel actually try to go to heaven because heaven is literally just above us. The fallen angel was mankind greatest horror that better being burried 6 feet under.
Again, I’m not cherry picking what to believe, Torah is complete package either all-in or nothing.
Moses comes down from the mountain with a tablet that says “Thou shalt not make graven images”, and promptly puts the tablet in a box adorned with carved golden angels. Obviously, graven images did not apply to the golden figures on the Ark. You cannot take Scripture literally because they obviously understood the meaning of “graven images” differently than you take “graven images” literally. Reading it literally is a massive disrespect to the people who wrote it, who did not intend it to be taken literally.
Problem is that when somebody proves heliocentrism a literalist church loses status. When the Greeks mathematically proved that the Earth was a sphere, the Church said “flat Earth is just a metaphor bro”.
Taking the letter of the law literally is bad fruit, like in jim’s favorite example of taking the law about blood contamination so literally that Judea ended up genocided by the Roman Empire. Jesus speaks all the time about obeying the spirit of the law over the letter, because people who meticulously follow the letter of the law usually have bad intentions and are trying to do evil things.
If you want to jew God through excessive legalism, just convert to judaism and join the nutjobs who think that turning on a light switch violates the commandment to not work on the Sabbath. The people who were supposed to not work on the sabbath were pastoralists who needed to tend their flocks and keep their animals from wandering off every single day. Obviously, you cannot interpret that literally.
Because the Bible contradicts itself, literalism means cherrypicking what you like and ignoring what you do not. What you choose to take literally and thus what you choose to ignore is a matter of your own nature and judgement, so “literalism” ends up meaning “self-worship”
The literal text of the bible – at least the Old Testament – tends to range from the incomprehensible to the merely impossible.
The story of Adam and Eve, particularly the part about God using Adam’s rib to create Eve, is incomprehensible as a literal description of anatomy or biology. The story of Noah’s Ark is impossible as a literal description of meteorology or engineering. These stories, taken literally, are empirically, provably false.
But in the case of Adam and Eve, the bible goes so far as to explain its own metaphor with the “one flesh” analogy a few sentences later. And while Noah’s Ark doesn’t come with similar inline commentary, if we understand it to be a parable about good men witnessing civilizational decay and death and trying to rescue whatever they can while their compatriots gleefully join the race to the bottom, it’s not only true, it’s downright common.
Defending literalism is defending a strawman. And your own description of literalism is not sounding particularly literal to me.
My experience with literalists is they tend to pick and choose what to take literally. For example they all talk away Paul’s proscription to never have a woman in authority over a man and for women’s salvation comes from child bearing.
I think being a biblical literalist is a shibboleth that selects for low IQ people.
Just as fans of the letter of the law tend to ignore the spirit, intent, and purpose of the law, people who believe in the literal meaning of Genesis tend to ignore the spiritual meaning.
In principle one could believe both the literal and spiritual meaning, just as in principle one could observe both the letter and spirit of the law, but in practice, people don’t
Biblical literalism about history and geography is holiness spiraling how much “I believe the bible” by people who don’t actually believe the bible.
>Just as fans of the letter of the law tend to ignore the spirit, intent, and purpose of the law.
But the literal meaning is very foundation of later spiritual meaning.
“why do God command Israelites to keep Sabbath?”
The simple answer is because God *literally* did creation in 6 days, on 7th day he rested. God was so proud that he wants all his creation to follow Him, 6 days working then rest on 7th day.
“yeah, but Sabbath was just metaphor for [insert any convoluted christian concept]”
Yeah, try yourself working 7 days a week 365 days a year. And see how long is your lifespan. Been there done that, had small heart attack at 23.
>Biblical literalism about history and geography is holiness spiraling how much “I believe the bible†by people who don’t actually believe the bible.
I don’t see it’s spiraling whatsoever, because I hide my believe in my personal life. I keep sabbath, I keep dietary law (easy thing to do in place) without even my wife knowing.
Even within black israelite movement (full of biblical literalist) no people arguing “I believe in bible more than you”, it was more “I hate white people more than you”.
Nuts
You are not following biblical sabbath law, being designed for a world lit by fire, where you cooked on a fire, and social life revolved around the fire.
Similarly, you are not following biblical dietary law, because you would have to adopt an early iron age diet in order to do so.
You are, necessarily, making up your own biblical law as you go along.
@The Ducking Man
That’s just your own personal interpretation.
It would help if you quoted the actual verses like I did.
The Ducking Man is not in fact taking it literally. He is making up his own rather silly bible as he goes along, and telling us he believes in stupid things such as young earth creationism, to prove he is more serious about the believing the bible than everyone else.
It is just a cover story. Just as the Jews in the events leading up to the fall of Jerusalem doubled down on taking the exact literal letter of the law on blood contamination super super superduper seriously and observing it super super superduper strictly, because they were flagrantly breaking the commandments on coveting, theft, and murder.
People who make a fuss about observing the literal letter of the law are, in practice, not serious about observing the purpose, meaning, and intent of the law, the spirit of the law.
And people who are big on bible literalism, in practice, pay very little attention to what the bible actually says.
>People who make a fuss about observing the literal letter of the law are, in practice, not serious about observing the purpose, meaning, and intent of the law, the spirit of the law.
Constitutional literalists are knuckle-dragging retards. The spirit of the Second Amendment refers to the National Guard. You don’t need guns.
We know what the spirit and intent of the second amendment was from what people wrote about for over a century.
The militia was whomever a locally high status respectable man could round up, and the spirit and intent of the second amendment was that if the federal government pissed off too many locally high status respectable men, it would be unable to govern.
The federal government was supposed to rely on the militia in internal conflicts, because the founders did not trust it in internal conflicts with troops subject to central command. The National Guard is exactly what the founders feared when they wrote that amendment.
when they were wrote that amendment they were indeed thinking of something like the National Guard, in that they were thinking “Let us try to ensure that no such organization will exist.” The National Guard is what they wanted the people to have the capability to shoot.
What do you mean, it was literally there in Genesis 1.
Genesis 1: KJV
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
No evening and no morning on the first day, because no sky and no earth,
No evening and morning on the second day, because no lights in the sky.
Therefore, spiritual and metaphorical days and nights, not literal days and nights.
I would translate the word “day” in the beginning of Genesis as epoch, era, eon or period. As we could say “in the day the dinosaurs” = Mesozoic Era. The day of Earth formation = Hadean Eon, etc. Also, don’t forget 2 Peter 3:8 “But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.â€
@The Ducking Man
Astrology isn’t astronomy. Those are two different things.
You’re not very good at interpreting, are you?
Do you actually believe in geocentrism?
>Do you actually believe in geocentrism?
If I said yes can I get “this is stupid person” badge?
You have already been awarded the badge.
@Ducking Man
“Can I get ‘this is stupid person’ badge?” Well lets see…
You said:
Looks like you yourself admitted that you’re a retard, and placed the “this is stupid person” badge upon yourself.
Imagine in a multiplanetary civilization, a geocentrist like you on Earth trying to impose your will on the peoples of Mars. You’re not going to win any battle in outer space, that’s for sure.
@The Ducking Man
Genesis possesses two completely different creation accounts, including two very different names for God, Elohim (first account), and Yahweh (second account). English bibles typically translate “Elohim” as “God” in the first account and they translate “Yahweh” as “LORD God” in the second.
Because in fact there is no one who is a biblical literalist, including the biblical literalists.
By which we mean to say, they are each and all depending on their own powers of world formation to transform the seeds of signs into flowers of more felicitous meaning.
By what means would a man channel his fires of divine inspiration, into forms intelligible by his fellows, in the first place? Just so. By what means was the discrimination of some sources over others adjudicated into canons? Just so.
So basically, if there is no matter in judgement, then you are up a creek without a paddle. If judgement does matter, then differing judgement matters. And if differing judgement matters, then magisterial authority matters.
(Recommended reading: https://archive.is/5Bvsv – https://archive.is/Irk3p )
@The Ducking Man
Kent Hovind is exhibit A of why Amerikwan pastors suck.
I don’t know what more do you want from a pastor, the alternatives are not that different and some are outright devil.
1. Money loving devils in mega churches like Canneth Copeland, Joel Osteen, and others with their Bentley and multi million dollar mansion.
2. Very-apparent-hard core pastor like Steven Anderson.
3. Pastor who is clearly very into conspiracy theories and occult like Walter Veith.
4. run-off-the-mill pastors barely graduated theology school who at best repeat his text book.
@The Ducking Man
You were completely unresponsive to my posts on Genesis.
And then you make excuses for an obvious charlatan like Kent Hovind.
Every single Amerikwan pastor I’ve seen has refused to denounce the US family courts and divorce industry. There are pastors on Gab who actually blocked me when I asked them to do so.
The only evidence I’ve seen of a Christian cleric that has preached the traditional Christian position on women is this Russian Orthodox priest:
https://youtu.be/bcGttKu2DIk
>You were completely unresponsive to my posts on Genesis.
I don’t avoid your post, I only have internet connection during office hour. Right now I don’t the mental capacity to reply anything complicated. Work is bit hectic during closing day like today.
I’ll reply you eventually.
>US family courts and divorce industry
I don’t remember he actually said anyting on marriage, if you can link his blog or YT video I’ll look into it.
If you did not look into it years ago, you are not a Christian, nor do you take the Bible at all seriously.
Respectfully, my Lord, give him time to respond. Inevitably, he shall trod on his own dick, and we shall stab him, and that mercilessly. Asian christians are a strange beast; they believe with no substance, and argue with little purpose.
When I looked into Kend I was 18 y.o., my first date with girl was 23 y.o. Yes, I was that late to the game.
At that time I didn’t care about girl or marriage structure especially other country’s marriage structure.
From your stances now I understand your bar to be christian is very high which unfortunately self-study goyim like me could never attain.
What is wrong with Biblical literalism?
With the exception of a few Protestant sects Christianity has never advocated strict literalism as there is much in scripture which can only be communicated through symbolism. For example, the “Whore of Babylon†is not referring to a literal person rather a typology of Pagan Rome under Nero.
Creationism, the view of Genesis as a historical text, is problematic because one cannot divorce empiricism from epistemology in the Western system.
From a secular perspective, there is nothing wrong with a religion having a narrative on creation so long as these beliefs do not interfere with the scientific process. Deobandi Islam of the Taliban does not accept theistic evolution, but this is not a problem because there is no causality in Islam, thus Islam can say the world is [x] years old without interfering with a science operating through causality concluding the world being 13.8 billion years old.
However, for the past thousand years Christianity in the West has been based in Aristotelian metaphysics, thus merging Creationism with Western Christianity is not possible. Creationists in the West are almost entirely lower-caste morons because their theology disproves Creationism. At worst it functions as a type of Phariseeism allowing Christians to defect on traditional marriage. Thus a secular reactionary blog based in natural law and material and effective causation cannot support Creationism.
So is the point about wings on spaceship commonly brought up by people in the know? I haven’t heard it outside of here. Though today I saw an interview of Elon making the exact same point.
@Might Bugout
Rocket ships aren’t airplanes. There’s a reason why the first successful flyback reusable first stage lands as Heinlein intended.
https://youtu.be/lXgLyCYuYA4
***BREAKING SCANDAL***
FACT:
Between 100-200 members of Congress and their families & staffers have been treated with IVM & our I-MASK+ protocol for COVID. NO hospitalizations.
Not one of them reported that to the people.
Saved themselves & stayed silent as IVM was torched.
Fun fact: Between 100-200 United States Congress Members (plus many of their staffers & family members) with COVID.. were treated by a colleague over the past 15 months with ivermectin & the I-MASK+ protocol at http://flccc.net. None have gone to hospital. Just sayin’
https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-mask-plus-protocol/
https://twitter.com/Covid19Critical/status/1446460263092326437
This is not really the place where BREAKING NEWS YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO BELIEVE THIS headlines win you any brownie points.
Source is a tweet linking to another tweak linking to a deadlink. Heard on 4chan it’s an “anonymous but trusted” guy. Trust the plan. Patriots in control.
You say that now, but just wait two more weeks. The secret tunnels are almost complete.
Offtopic, but quality content here:
https://twitter.com/r3turn0fth3g00n/status/1443291732020322304
To no-one’s great surprise, it turns out the Twitter RW-girlboss-bimbo clique is actually a doxxing op connected to the techbro left.
I thought that was made pretty clear when one of the original “redpilled antifeminist tradgirls” doxxed a ton of NRx to some shitty leftoid journalist. The only one of that crew that is still around is Lauren Southern, barely, and tellingly she is the only one who got married. Never trust online women. Rely on the old-school internet immune system: tits or gtfo. And never trust a simp.
Re: biblical literalism (from Back to Methuselah: A Metabiological Pentateuch by Bernard Shaw)
“What we should do, then, is to pool our legends and make a delightful stock of religious folk-lore on an honest basis for all mankind. With our minds freed from pretence and falsehood we could enter into the heritage of all the faiths. China would share her sages with Spain, and Spain her saints with China. The Ulster man who now gives his son an unmerciful thrashing if the boy is so tactless as to ask how the evening and the morning could be the first day before the sun was created, or to betray an innocent calf-love for the Virgin Mary, would buy him a bookful of legends of the creation and of mothers of God from all parts of the world, and be very glad to find his laddie as interested in such things as in marbles or Police and Robbers. That would be better than beating all good feeling towards religion out of the child, and blackening his mind by teaching him that the worshippers of the holy virgins, whether of the Parthenon or St Peter’s, are fire-doomed heathens and idolaters. All the sweetness of religion is conveyed to the world by the hands of storytellers and image-makers. Without their fictions the truths of religion would for the multitude be neither intelligible nor even apprehensible; and the prophets would prophesy and the teachers teach in vain. And nothing stands between the people and the fictions except the silly falsehood that the fictions are literal truths, and that there is nothing in religion but fiction.
“Let the Churches ask themselves why there is no revolt against the dogmas of mathematics though there is one against the dogmas of religion. It is not that the mathematical dogmas are more comprehensible. The law of inverse squares is as incomprehensible to the common man as the Athanasian creed. It is not that science is free from legends, witchcraft, miracles, biographic boostings of quacks as heroes and saints, and of barren scoundrels as explorers and discoverers. On the contrary, the iconography and hagiology of Scientism are as copious as they are mostly squalid. But no student of science has yet been taught that specific gravity consists in the belief that Archimedes jumped out of his bath and ran naked through the streets of Syracuse shouting Eureka, Eureka, or that the law of inverse squares must be discarded if anyone can prove that Newton was never in an orchard in his life. When some unusually conscientious or enterprising bacteriologist reads the pamphlets of Jenner, and discovers that they might have been written by an ignorant but curious and observant nurserymaid, and could not possibly have been written by any person with a scientifically trained mind, he does not feel that the whole edifice of science has collapsed and crumbled, and that there is no such thing as smallpox. It may come to that yet; for hygiene, as it forces its way into our schools, is being taught as falsely as religion is taught there; but in mathematics and physics the faith is still kept pure, and you may take the law and leave the legends without suspicion of heresy. Accordingly, the tower of the mathematician stands unshaken whilst the temple of the priest rocks to its foundation.”
https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/13084
too many religion ;(
Why can’t I look outside and see God
In other words, did science tell you that?
Do you have a point?
Other religions existing is not an epistemic problem for my worldview.
Empirical observation is in a separate knowledge category than the metaphysical.
Empiricism is not justifiable on its own as a first principle.
That is not what the quote is saying. The quote is saying that churches that treat the fictitious parts of religion as truth end up having the true parts mistaken for fiction. I.e. it is against literalism.
Shaw was a Universalist, so he is saying that all religions are true, but we can throw his stupid leftism aside and apply it just to our religion. He is saying that the fundamental truth of the faith needs to be defended with the same confidence that physics and math assert their truth, and the legends, metaphors, and stories, are there for flavor and to keep people interested.
Not that I agree 100%- but that is what the quote is saying and how it applies to our debate. That seven days to create the world should be differentiated from the unassailable doctrine of God as creator and first cause of all things.
A cynical faith is a dead faith and having met Russians with this framework they always end up Leftists attending church once a year or apostatizing. I cannot accept this approach, but I do not have a problem if this works for you.
Literalists are often immune to the poz, because if they are stupid or stubborn enough to believe (e.g.) that the world was created in 5509 BC, then they are stupid or stubborn enough to ignore the Church of Harvard. This does not make literalism true.
Most people are not naturally empiricists, and when they think they are believing in empiricism, they are actually just believing in whatever the Church of Harvard says, hence the tendency of ex-literalists to apostatize. It takes an above-average intellect to believe that Harvard is right and the Bible is wrong about the age of the earth, and the Bible is right and Harvard wrong about almost everything else.
Nonetheless, if the Church teaches things that are empirically false, it will drive away intelligent people, and thus all of its beliefs will be low status, even the ones that are true.
The sovereign theocracy of the new england empire teaches things that are empirically false, and it has never stopped gaining status for the past hundred years heretofore.
Those who might self-identify as ‘rational skeptics’ today, if any still exist, don’t seem to understand the position they are in. In simple terms, it’s provincials who’ve been lapped by history. The ‘Rational Scientific Worldview’ is our official dogma, and it does exactly contradict what you see in front of your face, and punishes you for not believing them. They succeeded in destroying their rival religion(s), usurping the incumbent’s place, and created a system that possesses all the sins they would fain to accuse their predecessors of having.
If only that were true.
Rather, it is the other way around. If the official Church teaches things that are empirically false, intelligent people, and all of their beliefs will be low status. Hence the nerd stereotype. Also their entertainment and artistic preferences will be low status, hence the modern state of art and entertainment.
No doubt this is true. But why, then, did biblical literalism ever decline in the first place? The worldview of the New England empire actually makes more sense if God created the world in seven days, than if man evolved from apes. When Darwin first published, his main opponents were leftist Puritans.
Harvard doesn’t believe that man evolved from apes. I don’t know if they have an official doctrine about where humans came from but it’s clear they view humans as something other than animals if you bring up evolved traits and evolutionary sociology they start flinging shit at you like actual monkeys.
Yes. Human evolution obviously leads to the conclusion that whites and blacks are not equal so it is badthink for a progressive to even entertain it.
Presupposes it was ever big to begin with. It wasn’t. Legalism has never been orthodoxy, and indeed, was one of the very first things Christianity departed from levantine judaisim over, even before there was even the word for it.
Your apprehension of ‘what christianity is’ heretofore has been consistently characterized more by what people who hate you and want you to die have said about it.
What Fëanor thinks “Authentic Christianity” is, is what 2010 Internet Atheists told him bucktoothed unwashed Christians in the wilds of middle America believe, and what 2021 demon worshipers told him Christians believe.
The 2010 Internet Atheists did not hate him, but the 2021 demon worshipers intend to sacrifice him to their demon gods.
My post was not referring to theistic evolution rather Aidan’s understanding of Shaw. The quoted reasoning is backwards; denying the fundamental truths of Christianity creates a vacuum which is by default filled with the messianic promises of the Church of Harvard. Quoting the Creed:
“We look for the Resurrection of the dead, And the Life of the age to come. Amen.â€
Shaw states the above is a lie, which is unacceptable.
@Jim
My meaning being the sentiments they were possessed by did not spring from the aether, but from men who went far before them; ideological weapons conjured by long dead warlocks and sorcerers, persisting in their unlife to date.
Final comments on Christianity:
It seems to me that Christianity is good at maintaining civilization, and not very good at (re)building it. The Church came into being in a pagan empire that had already conquered the known world, and when that empire fell (in the West), the pagan barbarians who conquered it converted to Christianity—after they had already done most of the bloody work of restoring civilization and patriarchy.
If there is a sane Christian response to the collapse of civilization, it is to remember that Christ did not come to abolish the Old Testament, and behave more or less as they did in Deuteronomy, until we have restored an environment where the virtues of the New Testament make sense. Maybe this was the response of St. Justinian the Emperor, but in the West, the reaction of the communion of saints was very often to tacitly assume the world was ending, and encourage people to literally or metaphorically go into the desert and pray. Well, Catholics consider their saints vindicated, because the pagan barbarians eventually converted to Christianity, but how many of those who went into the desert or were martyred had descendants to enjoy the restored Christian civilization? I want to have descendants that enjoy the next phase of civilization, whether it be Christian or not.
Maybe all this proves is that the root of the rot is at the root of the East/West Schism, but I am a Westerner, and cannot very well stop being one. Russian Orthodoxy lives, Jim says, but I am not a Russian and cannot become one. The closest thing to a faith of my ancestors is the old type Anglicanism that Jim so admires, but that is nearly as dead as the pagan gods of Rome.
There are still churches in America where a semblance of patriarchal civilization still lives, but they are all, as Jim would say, hopelessly backwoods, whether Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, or otherwise, and I can join the church, but I cannot so easily join the patriarchal civilization. If I were to follow these churches’ teachings on sex and marriage, I would be an involuntary celibate, as most so-called traditionalist Catholics that I see online are involuntary celibates.
I do not much believe in any of the supernatural claims of Christianity, except maybe as metaphors, and maybe they have always been metaphors, but to be worthy metaphors, they must be shared with a worthy community of believers. I do not see such a community, so I do not see the point in believing in any metaphors, at least until I see a prophet with the potential to unite a worthy community behind him. Maybe he will be Christian, and maybe he will not.
Christian doctrines, the consensus of the communion of the saints, frequently have that problem. The Christian doctrines on sex and marriage make sense in an environment where you start with your fiancee in situation of cooperate/cooperate equilibrium, because your patriarch acquired her for you from another patriarch, to whom he was connected by blood or through connected positions in the social hierarchy, thus he was able to acquire her for you because he and her patriarch were already in cooperate/cooperate equilibrium.
They make no sense under situations where all available women are unowned, and you have to start out in defect/defect equilibrium, and somehow get from there to cooperate equilibrium by any means necessary. If you follow Christian rules designed for times of sexual order in a time of sexual anarchy, you will be involuntarily celibate and die alone and childless.
The Christian rules need to be qualified and clarified by saying they apply to ladies, not bitches, and no woman these days is a lady unless her man makes her so.
The Pauline doctrine of non resistance to lawful governors made perfect sense in a situation where there were lawful governors, but became suicidal during the dark age following the fall of Rome, and Christianity then proceeded to clarify it by getting picky about which governors were lawful, perhaps rather more picky than Saint Paul was, and by dropping from obedience and respect, to non resistance and respect, but staying alive required such pickiness and a lot of violence.
But in another sense, Christianity is very good at restoring civilization in a dark age as a tool of a good, virtuous, and militarily competent, King A King who is reluctantly willing to kill quite a lot of people when necessary. That is how post Roman Britain came out of its dark age. Christianity was the standard tool in the toolbox used for the job.
Alfred the Great and Saint Justinian the Emperor are good examples. They relied very heavily on state Christianity in restoration of order and civilization. Also on killing quite a lot of people.
Is there anyone among the saints that discusses the distinction between order and anarchy, and the question of what the rules should be in the latter case?
Saint John of Damascus presided over the Islamic Conquest of the Levant and the first Iconoclast period and Saints Theophan the Recluse and John of Kronstadt lived when the faith in Russia was collapsing. Seraphim Rose has the unique attribute of being an old-type Christian while being normie-friendly.
But as for our current predicament…you will not find one who judges, but no saint tells one to eat human flesh during a famine. Christianity is not like Islam with its Sharia; God tells you to do things and you are supposed to figure it out to some extent. Situations change, but the rules do not.
From your earlier thread:
“If you think that the Church never pontificates on materially falsifiable claims, then your definition of what is materially falsifiable is too narrow. The red and blue pill positions on women are material and falsifiable, and any doctrine on sex and marriage must necessarily presume one of those. The problem is not the pontificating, which is necessary, but the consensus based decision mechanism.”
No organization is willing to openly commit heresy on the WQ today, not even the LDS, and its members will probably be quite uncomfortable when the truth is spoken out loud, even if they quietly agree. Same reason why the WQ shill test is so powerful; entryists do not dare even ask their employers for permission to pass it. It’s the ultimate taboo.
“the pagan barbarians who conquered it converted to Christianity—after they had already done most of the bloody work of restoring civilization and patriarchy.”
Alaric was a Christian, dude, long before he burnt Rome to the ground and stole everything that was not nailed down. Most of the barbarians did the civilization building work after they converted to Christianity and not before.
“Russian Orthodoxy lives, Jim says, but I am not a Russian and cannot become one. The closest thing to a faith of my ancestors is the old type Anglicanism that Jim so admires, but that is nearly as dead as the pagan gods of Rome.”
ROCOR is a converts church. Their goal is to evangelize Orthodoxy to America, and so you don’t have to be Russian. I’m not Russian Orthodox, but I went to one of their masses recently and it was quite nice. Their church looked like American Colonial architecture with some Eastern touches. Not alien at all. It looked like a holy place appropriate for westerners, and the priest spoke with a thick southern accent. The whole parish sat down to a home-cooked meal afterwards, and I talked to the priest about guns and politics while his thin and modestly-dressed daughter poured us coffee; he was as red-blooded an Amerikaner as anyone.
It does not matter, or rather it is too much to hope for in this day and age, that the red pill be preached from the pulpit, as long as fathers are giving their daughters in marriage, and this still happens (though informally and imperfectly because they cannot realize they are doing it) anywhere that good men with daughters form a community with good men with sons. The question is whether an outsider can ever really be part of this community enough to benefit from it like this; frankly, I haven’t tried very hard. (Also I am probably too old, since the daughters are usually lost as soon as they’ve gone off to college, and the age gap taboo is even stronger than the rest of the redpill taboo.)
Perhaps I will take a look at ROCOR. I am rather disappointed in the tradcath scene lately, even besides the various doctrinal errors that I think go back rather far in Church history; certainly there was no home-cooked meal after the TLMs I’ve been to, and the whole thing frankly seems as LARPy IRL as it does online. Your story reminds me that I actually have an aunt and uncle who converted to some Orthodox church, don’t know which, from Southern Baptistry; I had once entertained the hope of an Amerikaner Orthodox Church that absorbed the remnants of the various dying Protestant traditions. Maybe ROCOR could be the seed of that, though if the trend picks up real steam it will probably be shut down on grounds of muh Putin.
I am lost and sore beset. You seem to be the same. Fate conspired to put ROCOR in my life. Maybe we should both put away our cynicism for a time and see what we find. At this point, what do we have to lose?
The oldest Slavic Orthodox churches in the world are the Serbian and Bulgarian ones. They also appear to have a presence in the new world.
https://www.bulgariandiocese.org/parishdirectory
https://serborth.org/
Those, especially the NATO and EU Bulgaria-connected ones, could very well survive longest should a Lurking Russian Agent anti-church mania erupt.
I scroll through the parish directory and see the delightfully named Joy of All Who Sorrow church in Indianapolis.
https://www.bulgariandiocese.org/parishdirectory?type=details&id=14
The clergy all have western names.
https://joyofallwhosorrow-indy.org/welcome/
No church is going to give you a wife and children in the present-day defect/defect climate. Going to have to do what we all
have done or are doing here:
Learn and master game, then use it to turn a whore into a house wife.
Synod was founded by Russian emigrés fleeing the Bolshevik Revolution for Europe and the United States. Igor Sikorsky, the inventor of the helicopter and founder of Sikorsky Aircraft, helped build many churches in the East to accommodate Russian immigrants who worked at his factories. ROCOR parishes in areas with large Russian populations come in pairs, and ROCOR parishes consisting of mostly converts do not.
There is a joke among Russians which goes something like this: a Russian is stranded alone on an island in the Pacific. He builds a church near the shore, and another near the center. When he is rescued, his rescuers ask why he built two churches for himself. He replies while pointing, “This is the church I go to, and over there is the church I don’t go to.â€
ROCOR has a good reputation because that it was created and largely populated by Russians whose descendants fought with Kolchak and Vlasov, and the converts tend to be based enough. You will learn plenty from your priest and the friends you meet.
It should be noted that Synod even in Russian areas is becoming convert-dominant as Russians assimilated with Progressivism only attend church sporadically and as Russians intermarry with non-Russians.
My previous post gives off the impression that Aidan is incorrect which he is not, my bad.
I should clarify. Founded by White Russian refugees to preserve Russian Orthodoxy during the Soviet Union, but now that the USSR collapsed and the two churches are back in communion, its new mission is to gain converts and bring the ROC to America- or at least that’s what they told me. Might not feel at home in a mostly-Russian one, but there are plenty of all or mostly convert parishes.
To argue about whether Christianity should be taken literally or figuratively is to miss the point of Christianity.
Christianity is not of this world, but it is for this world. That is why God sent his Son to appear in the flesh. He, who is not of this world, sends that which is for this world.
It does not matter when or if the world was created. It does not matter if elements of a story can be reconciled in time. Christianity is a doctrine of correct action stated, like the English Common Law, in terms of general principles which have not be lawyered. These principles are justified by an unconditional faith.
The opponents of Christianity do not dare attack the doctrines that are central to its being.
Let them attack, if they dare.
As a non-Christian, my greatest beef with it is that it’s way too easy to interpret Christianity as commanding leftism, promoting celibacy over marriage, and worst of all pacifism. You can have your state church suppress certain things but as long as the Bible is your holy book these issues will just keep popping up. “Turn the other cheek” is never a good idea.
From 1660 to about 1820, none of those popped up under established Anglicanism. Yes, problem, but scarcely an insuperable one. From 1539 to the present, promotion of celibacy over marriage just has not happened in the various religions descended from that fracture with Rome. Everyone realized that Rome had gone crazy on celibacy, and wanted to be clearly different from them.
Turning the other cheek is an excellent idea, provided you make it clear to the other guy that you have only two cheeks.
See my discussion of the issue in “How to genocide inferior kinds in a properly Christian manner.”
In a world of imperfect information, tit for tat degenerates into defect/defect, a low trust hostile world. One tit for two tats is the optimal solution.
I have read your post on proper Christian genocide. Big problem is that it’s very hard to fit within any extant sort of Christianity – even Orthodoxy is largely theologically anti-racist even if its laity has more nationalism. Christianity just doesn’t provide a framework for grouping ethnicities into superior and inferior and often tries to deny that there are such differences. But Jews are Jews and Greeks are Greeks, whatever they believe or whatever St. Paul says.
The issue with cheek-turning is that if you turn the other cheek where anyone can see you, you are correctly going to be regarded as a beta bitch, and if the other guy has the slightest inclination to do so he will shortly be fucking your wife. If violence against you isn’t promptly met by violence (proportionate or not) in response you are weak and will be perceived as such. If a man strikes me on the cheek if I’m generous I slap him back just as hard, if I’m not I slug him right there. An eye for an eye is a fundamentally fair and functional code. Letting someone with a knife get suspiciously close to your eye without doing anything is not.
One tit for two tats isn’t that bad a strategy if you’re dealing with, say, European Christians, but if dealing with for example Muslims of any sort the slightest tat on their part should be met with genocidal levels of tits. If we were going to do anything, Afghanistan should have been shamelessly wiped off the map.
Mercy only works between people already inclined to be civilized, when dealing with barbarians it is a fatal poison. Maybe God can afford to forgive, but people cannot and should not be expected to. Imo an ideal religion should encourage harsh but fair justice in this life and confine rehabilitation to the safely dead. If you’re truly repentant you understand why we need to cut your head off and if you go willingly God will reward you in the afterlife, that sort of thing. Certainly no sparing of a woman from being rightfully stoned for adultery.
It fitted fine into Christianity when Christians were conquering the Americas.
Daniel Boone did plenty of cheek turning, and no one ever thought he was a beta bitch. I have done some mighty big cheek turning myself, and no one thinks I am a beta bitch. (It kind of helps when you are get a short two handed double bladed axe before offering the other cheek.)
What gives the appearance of a beta bitch is the signal that an unlimited supply of extra cheeks and extra miles may be forthcoming. The point is to signal the possibility of peace and the prospect of total war, rather than going directly into total war.
Problem with that is that the conquest of the Americas was largely an unprincipled exception to Christianity, one without much theological underpinning. There’s little New Testament framework for violently seizing lands of other people on the other side of the world that pose no threat to your homelands. Even during the conquest you had a lot of Christians trying to convert and save the Indians, or even going outright John Brown and taking their side. It’s thanks to the Catholic Church that South America is so thoroughly mixed instead of pure Iberian stock.
Problem is that that’s exactly the sort of signal that Jesus, in context, is saying to give (literally give a robber the shirt off your back, wtf). And it’s undoubtedly the one he practiced, what with willingly going to his death and then praying not even that justice be done, but his killers be forgiven. St. Stephen prayed that his own murder not be laid to the murderer’s charge. Praying for a fair punishment is one thing, praying for forgiveness for egregious crimes against you is quite another.
Nuts.
Not unprincipled exceptions. They guys that conquered America were operating on the original Christianity that did the crusades, the Christianity that unified Britain, the Christianity that reconquered the Roman Empire under Saint Justinian the emperor.
It is modern progressive “Christianity” that is an unprincipled exception to traditional sane Christianity.
When you go to Church, you will required to say “Peace on Earth to all men of good will”. Which implies that it is OK to go to war with men who are not of good will.
It is modern fake Christianity that is the unprincipled exception when it drops the “to all men of good will”
Daniel Boone was as Christian as Saint Justinian the emperor. He was a Christian as those that waded through blood into the Holy Sepulchre.
Some of the guys that conquered America, quite a few of them, notably Pizzaro, were bandits, and were not constrained by aby high moral principles, but for the most part they were operating under traditional Just War doctrine. Just War doctrine is wonderfully red pilled, and is not an exception to Christianity, but the application of Christianity to war. It is modern pastors acceptance of deviation from traditional Just War doctrine that is the unprincipled exception to Christianity.
What variation of the Just War doctrine allows you to attack and conquer a civilization thousands of miles across the oceans from your own that was more or less just minding its own business and in no conceivable way a threat to you? I don’t want to be misunderstood – I’m unambiguously in favor of killing the men of inferior civilizations and taking their women, land, and booty, but I don’t see any plausible interpretation of Jesus Christ who is.
Daniel Boone and St. Justinian were, as far as I can tell, fine folks with good heads on their shoulders. Unfortunately, neither of them were the Son of God who died on the cross for our sins, and hence their examples can only pale next to his. And Jesus’ example is willing submission to hostile authorities, to the point of an unjust death in a rigged trial, whereupon he prayed not that justice would be done on his tormenters but that they be forgiven. It’s the opposite of the healthy self-assertion necessary to colonize anywhere.
Christ did that stuff so you don’t have to.
Article 14: Voluntary Works besides, over, and above, God’s Commandments, which they call Works of Supererogation, cannot be taught without arrogancy and impiety
Cortez did not actually wanted kill all the Aztecs. He wanted to take over as Lord and Christianize them, for which aggressive program he had ample excuse.
For conquering distant civilizations, obviously Mohammed works better than Christ – but Muslims lack internal cohesion and peace between Muslims.
If you roll up on a group of blood-drunk, demon-worshipping savages, and say, “Hello, good fellows, I come to trade,” and they kill your traders, then you can kill them all and fuck their women. If they say, “No thank you, not interested,” then leave them be.
None, but this is generally not a good idea, because having it as your doctrine leads to breakdown of cooperation at home, and it is generally not what happened in the conquest of the Americas.
The way you genocide inferior races according to Just War, according to Jim’s post, and according to the way it mostly happened in the conquest of the Americas, is that you offer them a blatantly bad deal, for example land for whiskey and glass beads, which they are apt to take because they are stupid and impulsive, then when they discover that they have been screwed, they are apt to renege on the deal in a rather violent manner. Then it is Just War.
If they are not stupid and impulsive enough to take the bad deal, they are not inferior enough to genocide.
“… is that you offer them a blatantly bad deal, for example land for whiskey and glass beads, which they are apt to take because they are stupid and impulsive, then when they discover that they have been screwed, they are apt to renege on the deal in a rather violent manner. Then it is Just War.”
You mean like land, infrastructure, intellectual property, etc. for things like iPhones and stuff and Walmart?
And what do we do with Christ’s commands that we forgive seventy times seven times, literally on pain of hell? Or “whatever you do to the least of these, you do to me” when that could be (and often is) applied to inferior races in need of elimination or criminal scum in need of execution? Commands purportedly direct from God aren’t easy to ignore, but if you forgive every nigger who breaks in looking to rape and loot your culture is over. Even in Russian Orthodoxy, St. Seraphim of Sarov went to court to demand the guys who beat him half to death with an ax be allowed to more or less get away with it. That is not only deeply stupid, but from my pov (and doubtless all the remaining people they beat and robbed afterwards) actively evil. But Seraphim is still considered a saint.
The apostles asked if that was the standard, how could anyone make it to heaven.
To which Christ mysteriously replied that God would make it possible.
Standard Christianity is that God did make it possible.
Standard Christianity is that Christ did this stuff so you don’t have to.
Standard old type Anglicanism is that it is a lot easier to preach this stuff than to actually do it, and people who are preaching it are up to no good – except, of course, that Christ actually did do it.
The Saint was made saint because he actually did do it. If he preached it instead, better crucify him and see if he rises.
If you’re going to be so blatantly discarding the commandments of God in one area, going to be mighty hard to keep up the faith that we need to vigorously enforce the commandments of God in another area, such as marriage. You need real believers to be an appreciable proportion of the population or the whole thing will hollow out like communism did, but real believers exposed to the real Jesus’ real commandments may well come away with some alarmingly anti-social ideas in their heads. State religions need to be both pro-social and live, seems like Christianity has trouble maintaining both at the same time.
Take the demon worshipper test, or acknowledge what religion you do in fact follow, for it does not sound much like Christianity to me.
I started this by saying that I am not a Christian.[*deleted because I want this conversation to end*]
OK, but I do not intend that this blog will waste space on non Christians telling Christians what Christianity is.
Any non Christian interested in the topic is apt to confidently, unshakeable, and incorrigibly believe that Christians believe, have always believed, or should believe, in something outrageously stupid and evil, making conversation impossible and a waste of time.
So, no lecturing me or anyone else on what the law of God says. The ridiculous conversation with Fëanor was a sufficient waste of space.
If you are interested in the topic, learn what Christianity is before telling me what it is.
I welcome debate with Christians who disagree with me about what Christianity is and atheists who are aware of what Christianity was, and has become. Not going to discuss it with non Christians who don’t know and don’t want to find out.
We interpret scripture through the lens of our traditions and our saints. Even Protestants claiming sola scriptura base their traditions in Luther or Calvin and borrow theology from Augustine and Aquinas. Unless one’s view of scripture comes from tradition or a saint his interpretation should be considered false until proven true. The term in Orthodoxy for this tendency is “prelest,†spiritual delusion, as even the most venerable monks are required to assume that some of their beliefs are in error.
When Christ commands forgiveness of one’s brother “seventy times seven,†he is not discussing statecraft, rather referring to personal forgiveness of wrongs as debts owed between men are insignificant compared to debts men owe God. This parable is recounted in the Lord’s Prayer, “forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors,†as Christ came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.
Poster girl principle applies here; if the Progressive interpretation of “seventy times seven†is false, all Progressive interpretations of scripture mentioned here are false. Pride leads to destruction; humility is a virtue.
Jim, linked below is a more complete version of the meme.
https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/083/365/456/original/5917e8d6fe11079c.jpeg
That line of questioning is unlikely to be profitable.
I suggest you have an imaginary conversation with Saint Justinian the Emperor about these topics in the context of his restoration of order and empire.
It is obvious what answers he would give you, if he did not cut off your head for asking them.
And since he is officially a Saint, you will not be able to tell him that his answers contradict Christianity. and true Christians will never accept them.
I can imagine what Justinian or any other successful Christian imperial leader would say, what I cannot imagine is how you would square his answers with the teachings of Jesus Christ on forgiveness. [*rest deleted*]
This has been explained to you several times, and discussed for two millennia.
You insist on obstinately interpreting Christian words in a way wildly different from the way Christians use them. This makes conversation unprofitable.
Christians are required to show mercy and forgiveness. This not a requirement that Christians lie down and become a carpet for someone else to walk on, and has never been so interpreted, except by people who are not Christians telling Christians to lie down and be walked on.
In game theoretic terms, it is a requirement that Christians take the necessary risks to escape defect/defect equilibrium.
You say “what forgiveness means”. No that is not what it means. It is not how Christians use the word, it is not how anyone uses the word except they are trying to jerk Christians around.
Please define, in a Christian context, what forgiveness is and what it’s limits are. That is all I am asking. If I’m failing to understand, please educate me from your perspective.
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffsb&q=forgiveness&ia=web
Accepting defeat in war, submitting to conquest, and allowing criminals to commit crimes with against one with impunity does not seem to have any page rank at all, and I have never seen anyone use the term that way except when trying to gaslight Christians.
As for mercy, the infamous Hanging Judge was infamous for lack of mercy, not because he gave effect to the law as written (death penalty for any criminal activity)
The way it worked is if someone stole a loaf of bread, his friends and relatives would ask a respectable gentleman who was a friend of a friend to come forward and say he is a good boy and his family and friends are good people, and will make sure he does not do it again. Of course, if he was a bit short of friends and family, or his friends and family tended to feared and hated by all the respectable gentlemen, he would be hung. In public, and the crowd would watch him dance and crap himself. But most people, most of the time, were not hung. Instead their friends and family were tasked by the respectable gentleman with taking care of things.
Although the law was severe on stuff that was simple uncomplicated crime, it went very easy on violence and complicated crimes – following a general principle that if there was no underlying crime that provoked the violence, it was just too hard to sort out who was at fault. Which non intrusive policy made for swift and simple justice, and allowed plenty of room for private justice.
The mercy was linked to a process that might reasonably be hoped to lead to reconciliation between offender and offended.
To my total lack of surprise.
If your point is that the Cathedral uses this tactic against its enemies, yes, they do. But when they get to the war and genocide part, they are pathetically incompetent, as seen most recently in Afghanistan.
Ignore them, or reinterpret them into something less stupid, and enforce the non-stupid interpretations with the power of the state. I have been arguing that this inevitably leads to periodic outbreaks of holiness-spiraling heresy, which sometimes win, as the Puritans eventually won, but apparently the counter-argument is either that this is not inevitable, or that it is no less inevitable no matter what religion you choose.
The Aztecs were not killed, and appeared to Christianize enthusiastically, with famous purported miracles, but went back to their demon worship the moment there was no longer a white man to be lord over them. So perhaps Cortes should have focused less on Christianizing and more on killing.
Cortes was following Alexander the Great’s model which created a Greek dominated elite and culture over his conquests. Cortez did much the same.
The fact that the white elites failed to reproduce in large enough numbers to rule over them is evidence that the Demon gods are stronger, thus they return to their roots.
Alexander’s empire, much like the Spanish empire, rather quickly reverted to type.
Looks to me like the anglican model of mercenary adventurers bringing their women with them and ‘resettling’ any incumbent indigens in the way works a lot better.
Christ preached obedience – but nothing more – to those who were undeniably in possession of the government.
Anyone who says “no” to a plot proposed by a “glownigger” practises obdience to those who are in possession.
But the money changers in the temple? Christ hit them with a stick.
The easiest attack vector towards the central doctrine, which attack is ubiquitous these days, is ‘nice story bro, don’t care.’
Not seeing it. You need to ask, why they don’t care.
Christianity is dying because hostile to fathers, husbands, and family.
If Christ is foundational to hatch and match, then people care.
Because you are the type of man who, when having a fish dangled in front of him, responds ‘what fish?’ with such conviction that everyone in the room will start to doubt if there is really a fish.
You are still acting as if there is a red-pilled, Christian elite hiding behind the curtains, ready to jump out at the first sign of safety. There just isn’t. We’ve arrived about one hundred years too late. Time to accept this loss and move on.
Yes they are hiding.
I’d say that is typical work from lord Kek, who I’d interpret as a trollish angel sent by God to help.
Who summoned Kek? Does he represent old Christians with everything to lose, or young Christians with nothing to lose?
Your comment suggests that old Christians in general have more to lose than young Christians. Please explain.
My impression is that young people have more that they can lose and can lose it more easily, especially a job, job prospects, rented house or appartment and small children, which the government can take away.
Old people generally have more wealth, but that is rather difficult to take away (the more difficult the more wealth) and child protection services won’t take adult sons and daugthers.
Or did you think about young crippled Christian men with a criminal recordt, without a job and no prospect of ever being hired, with a lot of debt they will never be able to repay, without a wife and no prospect of ever finding one?
I have never met one of those young Christians and doubt they exist – like you doubt the existance of a hidden Christian elite
Supposedly there is a formidable Christian elite out there which has to hide its power level, implying that that elite has much to lose would it reveal its power level.
But pepe and wojak and assorted tomfoolery are all made by young people who realize playing nice ain’t getting them anywhere — the bridges are burnt, might as well troll a little.
I don’t know them personally, but I do think that Pepe and wojak and assorted tomfoolery have a lot to lose.
Don’t you think they have a chance to start a familiy (or already started one)? Sure, they’ll never have career in administration, but there is a life outside of those circles.
As far as power levels go, there is nothing formidable to hide. What power there is outside of the cathedral is in muslim clans and organized crime.
The man asking, “What fish?” in this conversation is you. Jim is pointing to what are clearly Christians attacking the governing religion of the modern American state. Your response is, “Its just a joke, bro.” The jokes being attacked by several high-level Cathedral mouthpieces and yet the jokesters closing ranks and getting more aggressive. That is impressive. There are no Babylon Bee tell-all books or leakers trying to attack them. Just more pointed jokes pointing out that the supposed president is a mental patient and the other religion is the domain of an assembly of other lunatics.
Wowzers, they’re making fun of SJW’s *and* the president? Based!
In all seriousness, they make some funny content. But lets not pretend they are less purple pilled than they are.
The point I am making is not that Babylon Bee is red pilled. I am not making any point at all. I am pointing to the Babylon Bee making my point.
The point Babylon Bee is making is that people are of necessity hiding their power levels.
You cannot know if a red pilled Christianity exists except by talking to people when they are drunk.
Everyone is hiding, everyone is scared, everyone agrees that political correctness has gone too far.
But in order to restore, needs to be agreement on what exactly should be restored. Two Christians, three opinions.
One entryist, one shill, one Christian, two opinions, and you are not hearing the Christian opinion because he dare not speak.
There was nothing wrong with Christianity till the Socinians took over. The men who are pushing this crap cannot pass the Demon Worshiper test.
This is like the argument we had about whether the neonazis are “wingnuts”. No one could find a wingnut who was not an obvious Soros shill.
You hear fake Christians pushing progressive crap, and you don’t hear real Christians pushing back.
You will hear them when it is safe for them to do so. This modern “Christianity” crap was not pushed until the Socinians took over, and Socinians cannot pass the Demon Worshiper test.
Socinianism found an intellectual loophole in the Apostles Creed, which enabled them to enter Christianity. The Demon Worshiper test specifically addresses that loophole, and look how effective it is. Most Christians who could pass the Demon Worshiper test will do fine, once they are no longer afraid.
That the Demon Worshiper test works implies that what you are seeing is not Christianity, but entryism.
The Apostles Creed is a bunch of antibodies against the entryists that afflicted early Christianity. You always need new antibodies against new parasites. The thirty nine articles were a bunch of new antibodies against new parasites, and the Demon Worshiper test is three antibodies against the three major current parasites.
Just enforce something like the thirty nine articles, modern vaccines against modern forms of non Christian Entryism, take away the climate of fear, and Christianity will be fine. If Christianity is as limp dicked and worthless as you say, why does the Demon Worshiper test work so well?
I have heard Christians speak, confidentially and honestly. Purple pilled at best, always.
When your opinion is surpressed for long enough, across generations, you tend to forget your opinion.
Your interpretation of Christianity, which I find righteous and agreeable, I just do not find outside this blog. I find fragments of it, like when I talk to older Christians and gently mention certain truths, they light up as if remembering some old dream, but not a dream they can articulate.
No one speaks honestly in public, or even in private, unless he is drunk, or thinks his anonymity secure.
Every time I hear a Christian preaching progressivism, I apply the Demon Worshiper test, and he cannot pass.
The blue pillers are entryists, and the purple pillers are namefags.
Yes, and Christianity has been almost forgotten. But it sleeps as a mustard seed. Behind the shield of Putin’s nukes, it awakens – check out some websites of Orthodox Churches. Greek Orthodox is almost as blue pilled as Pope Francis bowing down to pagan idols, but Russian Orthodoxy lives, and I see some Greek Orthodox looking at Russian Orthodox, and stirring.
When the Cathedral loses its nukes, you will see Christianity remembered in the West.
OK, I suppose you will correctly say of those websites, “purple pilled”. But they are beginning to remember. The full red pill is on its way. Look at our penetration of the real neo nazis and the meme magicians. We cannot expect too much from Christians till the weight of repression is lifted off their necks. I never expected anything much from namefag Yarvin. You want the full red pill from some Christian namefag?
If you have n Christians, you will have n+1 opinions on Christianity. One that they will all share, and n different opinions of progressive Christianity. The lack of consensus shows that they are wearing a mask, and will drip the mask when drunk or no longer hunted by progs.
Anyone that shows up with a different brand of normal Christianity has a striking propensity to both fail the demon worshipper test and act as if the name of Christ is painful to speak. Such “Christians” behave as if they are liable to burst into flame if they should touch a Bible or be splashed with holy water. I think it is safe to say that their opinions on Christianity should not hold any weight in our evaluation of proper Christian thought.
That half-remembered dream is a seed that needs only a little water and soil, or kindling that just needs a spark. The core is there, it just needs a little work and it will be good as new. “Who wants to kill and fuck pussy, in the name of the Lord” is a damned fine rallying call, and will wake those people up like nothing else.
We shall see how long it takes for folks to say this out loud.
I will occasionally say it out loud, and people look around to make sure no one says anything, but they do not leave. The people to whom I say it are not particularly religious. If anything, they are distinctly irreligious.
Example of an old-type Christian: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Robertson
I bet if you talked to Phil Robertson in private his interpretation of Christianity would be quite thoroughly Jimian and something tells me there are more Phil Robertsons out there.
It is absolutely obvious that Phil Roberton is an actual Christian, and faggot Christianity is embarrassed before him. When the Cathedral’s thumb is removed from the scales, the Phil Robertsons will have no problem. The mustard seed will sprout.
I don’t like the “hiding his power level” metaphor in general, but especially don’t like the way it’s being used to equivocate here.
Exactly what are they hiding – that they are red-pilled Christians, or that they are powerful figures?
I’d like to believe that there are powerful people who are hiding their red-pilled Christianity until the time is right. I seriously doubt that there are any significant number of red-pilled Christians who have a lot of power but somehow manage to hide that power – that sounds ludicrous to me, as power is practically the opposite of having to hide. What type of hidden power could we possibly be referring to? Life isn’t an anime show where people spontaneously transmogrify into a new hairstyle and manifest superpowers. Real power is a very visible and public phenomenon – it has to be, because power that is not being exercised is power in free-fall.
But I think we are really talking about the former – people in power who hide their true beliefs. The problem is that this is apparently unfalsifiable. Where are these people? “Duh, they’re hiding”. How many are there? “According to the Babylon Bee, a lot”. Not very persuasive, and the Bee isn’t even depicting powerful people hiding their beliefs, just ordinary nobodies hiding their beliefs. We know that millions of ordinary nobodies and edgelords and trolls are either hiding their beliefs or hiding their identities, but none of that answers the question being asked here.
The canonical Caesar scenario – or so I thought – was that someone who is probably not very Christian takes power, realizes they need a state religion to keep people in line, and makes red-pilled non-elite Christians (we hope) high status and elite. But suddenly it’s not about that anymore, and we are supposed to believe that there are hordes of actual high-status/high-powered elites who are red-pilled Christians and who are merely hiding one attribute or the other? No, I’m not buying that.
I’m not saying that red-pilled Christians *couldn’t* occupy all the upper echelons of society, under the right circumstances, given the right catalyst, and so on. Yes, by all means, let’s fire all of the Harvard staff (out of a canon) and replace them with a bunch of Russian Orthodox or Southern Baptists or whatever. But, it is going to take more than a Babylon Bee video to convince me that there are thousands of red-pilled Christian “sleeper agents” already in place.
Yes, confusing term, needs rectification of names. Used to mean that someone is hiding his awareness of reality, hiding the power of his sight.
That is the scenario I have always argued for, and seems to me the only course out of this mess.
Now after it happens, then we will find that we don’t have a state religion, and urgently need one.
I am saying that after it happens, Christianity will swiftly recover to a fit state to fit the job.
Alf is saying that now, Christianity is in an unfit state, which obviously is, and can never recover, which is far from obvious.
No one is saying that we have a secret red pilled Christian elite ready to step into the job tomorrow. Quite obviously, we do not. The question is whether Christianity can come back from the dead once the boot of Child Protective Services and the School system is removed from its throat.
If there was no life left there, our enemies would not be jumping up and down on the corpse quite so enthusiastically.
Today redpilled people tend to withdraw from society, at least in so far as it concerns their family. Christians are people who still think they can rely on formal community support strategy, which is a purplepilled outlook, either because they think things are less bad than they are, or because they don’t think they can possibly succeed alone.
There is no Christian elite hiding but there are plenty of non-pozzed Christians left in Amerikana. They go to evangelical Christian churches, which is a thoroughly American institution. Likewise Afrikaners in South Africa in Afrikaner Protestant and Dutch Reformed Protestant Church. I don’t know if Europe has an equivalent, maybe not.
Well, maybe the problem is in the word “elite”. If you are out of power, can you be part of the “elite”?
Usually the powers that be are called “elite”. At best, you can have something like a couter-elite or elite aspirants in hiding.
In a warrior society can be out of power but elite, the outsider daimyo of the Tokugawa shogunate being perhaps the best example…
In our society or any priestly society its hard.
There are a thousand times as many stories written as can be read in one lifetime. Perhaps a thousand thousand.
You do not get a choice which you can care about.
But in reality of course, a being’s capacity for the formation of worlds, the degree to which it is capable of apprehending more or less transcendent teleologies – that is to say, amongst other things, it’s ability to see futures – is the chief quality that distinctifies Dasein from other kinds of beings, like say a rock; and it is differences in possession of this quality that in turn makes for the most consequential differences between various agentified beings, which is their degree of agency in the first place.
It is a recurrent desire by certain types of men, perhaps archetypically exemplified here by those 16th century academoi, self-styled as ‘enlightenment’ (and those unwittingly possessed by their modes of thought haunting the discourse to this day; which is most people), for a wholly ‘impersonal’ system of perfect epistemological providence that would render the necessity for any subject’s own powers of thought irrelevant. That is to say, an artilect, that could be utilized by any one, to produce any truth, for any thing.
More pertinently, the issue was not just that they would desire such a thing, but the *why* of why they would so desire such a thing; problems inherent to *the kind of person* who would be desiring such a thing. That they not only desired something to free them from the burden of relying on the faculties they were so insecure of, but as a natural function of the same insecurity, wanting to believe that *nothing else besides* such an artilect could hold value as a belief; that if they can’t get a good hold on Being, then *noone else can either*. Such is the way that ‘modernist’ epistemology leads naturally to ‘post-modernist’ nihilism; a pretense of overturning the enlightenment, yet retaining enlightenment standards of evidence at it’s core. In reality, it was rather the dissolving any any unprincipled exceptions in the corpus of their predecessors, which here and there with passing generations clung on through cultural inertia.
If as it so happens that a venture by such beings for the creation of such a thing, the eponymous ‘enlightenment project’, inevitably produces calumnies, that masquerade as the desired object instead – for an exact model of Being would imply the creation of something even greater than Being as such – then, rather than consider that it was their preconceptions that were flawed – that *they*, were flawed – it must of course be *existence itself* that was flawed, instead…
The great preoccupation the modernist school of thinkers had, growing out of the renaissance, with the idea of certainty, derived largely from the great *un*certainties they felt, bewildered by the motions of a world they could hardly seem to wrap their heads around.
We speak of men tormented by deep insecurities in parts of themselves over weakness in the powers of their own cognition, which, at the same time alloyed by other parts in blithe solipsistic narcissism, is then projected onto everyone else instead; it could not be that *they* are not qualified to think, so if it came to that, it must be that *noone* is qualified to think. (And from hence, one naturally arrives at all manners of demotisms, liberalisms, communisms, and other synonyms.)
Such lines of thought whose convenience for the conceits of men can, of course, lend it a broad spectrum appeal in popular discourses – and as such, are so often found to be execrably recurrent throughout the ages…
>”…Moore’s argument for the indefinability of “good” (and thus for the fallaciousness of the “naturalistic fallacy”) is often called the open-question argument; it is presented in §13 of Principia Ethica. The argument hinges on the nature of statements such as “Anything that is pleasant is also good” and the possibility of asking questions such as “Is it good that x is pleasant?” According to Moore, these questions are open and these statements are significant; and they will remain so no matter what is substituted for “pleasure”. Moore concludes from this that any analysis of value is bound to fail. In other words, if value could be analysed, then such questions and statements would be trivial and obvious. Since they are anything but trivial and obvious, value must be indefinable…”
‘The existence of matters more difficult than my ability to grasp would imply that i am not as intelligent as i think i am; also there is no way my personal preferences could be bad either; so then therefore, there is no way natural law could exist’
So said George Edward Moore (presumably after he, Russel, and Keynes were done buggering each other at the cambridge apostles meetings), highly influential founding figure of the 20th century ‘analytic’ branch of our contemporary priesthood, who, it is said, was a serious thinker taken seriously by many people. Postergirl principle you know; here we see a picture of the creme of the crop, the ‘intellectual titans’ of the milieu; when you ask the contemporary academy to give honor rolls of ‘official smart people’, examples like these are what you can hope to expect as the best of it’s best.
There’s an ironic trap that has dogged priestly fields of endeavor from times immemorial. For one to name the unnamed, you could call it Heidegger’s Lemma. So named, after his analysis of the phenomenology of tool use.
When a tool is in good working order, for a man familiar in it’s operation, it almost passes out of mind, becomes an unconscious extension of his own being. If then it becomes a malfunctioning tool, interrupting the flow, then, it suddenly becomes thrust back into the forefront of conscious concern, to divine the manner of malfunction.
But what, then, if the factor who’s troubles preoccupy one’s mind, is their mind itself? And that they hope to work through their difficulties with thinking by… thinking?
Haha…
Before the distressingly insecure sets out to proffer any sort of theoretizing, they first proceed from rule 0; that they are a very smart person. If ere circumstances conspire to give the appearance of things that might possibly conflict with this axiom, the obvious explanation must be, it must be something else – *anything else* – at work elsewhere in creation.
Genius. Thank you. Clarifying.
I’m not saying I hate myself, but I do feel like I see an enemy in the mirror. So I guess “clarifying” is correct. I’m also thankful. St. John is a luminary. But I obviously need to lurk moar and do some pushups, because I found myself nodding at the Moore quotes.
Apologies for being wildly offtopic but I need the advice of our esteemed commenters. I consider myself knowledgeable and experienced with women, but this one is a real doozy.
A few nights ago I had a date with a rather attractive woman and joined her in her backseat afterward. During foreplay, in between sucking my dick, she said “I’m not gonna let you cum, I’m gonna just stop and you can go home and jack off in a tissue like you normally you do you pathetic little bitch, no way I’m gonna let you fuck me”, or something to that effect. I’d never been so brashly shit tested, but I took the hint.
She did not stop with this type of talk throughout. Afterward, I left her sitting there in her car and just walked away, assuming she’d text me days later with an apology after her hamster worked its magic. Instead, I’ve just received a text from her, repeating the same clichéd insults and calling out the way that I passed the shit test.
I sense that she feels upset that I left her there and is continuing to chase me and shit test me in the way that she naturally does. I can’t help but think of how many men she’s pulled this on before.
I’m slightly spooked by this. What I need to know is: if I ignore her, will she just go away? I could go back into PUA mode and respond with something cheeky like “you really get off on this don’t you”, with the aim of trying to bang her in order to make her accusation seem more ridiculous than it already is. I’ve never met a woman further to the right of the AWALT bell curve, and I’m certainly not trying to wife her, but I could cover my own ass a little.
Continued shit testing means you failed the shit test in a way that gives her hope that if she continues, you will pass.
Obviously she was cruising for rape, but the rape might well have been disturbingly strenuous.
Her backseat is the wrong place. You need her in your place. Tell her to come over. Or show up and haul her over.
If in doubt about what constitutes passing, ask what General Buck Naked would do in this situation. Of course, what General Buck Naked would do would likely get you killed, so arrange circumstances where General Buck Naked would likely get away with doing his thing.
My experience has been that women who pull this kind of shit are damaged goods and not worth the trouble. I’d walk away.
Previous exposure to a plausible imitation of General Buck Naked.
Yeah or daddy issues or a daddy who did a plausible imitation of general butt naked.
Speaking of which, I’d very much appreciate a Jimmish rendering and rectification of just whatever it is that we’re talking about when we use the term “daddy issues.â€
Good point. I’d say: we argue that a woman compares her latest man with the most alpha man she’s been with. Who is the first man she ‘is with’? Well, her dad.
So if she is used to an abusive (step)dad, she expects the same behavior from men. That kind of women gives stupid unhealthy shit-tests, like the one OP describes.
Or a non-existent dad from divorce or a dad who left, in which case she craves the male authority that she never had in an unhealthy way. The biggest whores and sluts usually are like this.
Easy to appear super-alpha to a two year old. Try carrying a 25 year old out of a restaurant because she’s acting up.
Been there, done that. There is no T shirt but I should sell one.
Not hard.
Before picking her up, leave enough large denomination notes on the table to cover the bill and provide large a tip that is roughly one or two of the notes.
If she is difficult, use a fireman’s carry, but if her struggles are strangely ineffectual, carry her like a child.
“Daddy issues” as used in a bluepilled context conflates two different things. All girls compare you to their fathers, and measure your alpha to her father’s alpha, regardless of whether she wants her dad to bang her or not. Fathers influence a girl’s initial levels of hypergamy. It’s totally normal, because a father owns his daughter for many years, nonsexually.
A father who is too strong, one who is overprotective of his daughter and scares off her suitors, the archetypical “conservative shotgun dad” will cause a girl to date progressively more dangerous and violent men, because she is searching for one who can kill her father and take possession of her.
A father who is too weak, or totally absent, will create a girl with very low standards of alpha, where any male authority at all will get her going. Theoretically, that sounds great if you’re low status and looking for a girl with lower standards, but you’ll never get to these girls because they start hopping on dick at absurdly young ages, and by the time you get a shot at them, they’ve been thoroughly used up and have Buttnaked-level standards.
Perfectly articulated.
“A father who is too weak, or totally absent, will create a girl with very low standards of alpha, where any male authority at all will get her going. Theoretically, that sounds great if you’re low status and looking for a girl with lower standards, but you’ll never get to these girls because they start hopping on dick at absurdly young ages, and by the time you get a shot at them, they’ve been thoroughly used up and have Buttnaked-level standards.”
Not my experience that they develop general butt naked standards, as an autist I’ve always done better with girls who are either fatherless or lost their dad sometime in early puberty.
A lot of fatherless girls, especially those who lost their virginities at extremely young ages, for some reason become indiscriminate nymphomaniacs, who will settle quite a bit rather than sleep alone, but for just this reason it requires Buttnaked levels of violence to keep them loyal.
Yes, what Feanor said- Buttnaked standards for keeping them loyal, until they hit 35 or so and burn out.
Can confirm. Most attractive girl I used to bang had an absent father. She was sweet and feminine and the sex was great but for the life of me I could not figure out how to nail her down, keep her from partying so much (and presumably fucking other guys), and move past just the casual fucking every 1-2 weeks.
In hindsight, I did not need general butt naked standards to casually fuck her, but I most certainly would have needed general naked standards to take ownership of her and make her mine.
The standard evopsych line, that men are biologically inclined to fuck anything that moves, while women are inclined to save themselves for the best man they can find, in reality belies a lot of variance in actual female behavior. There are women chastely awaiting the 6’3″ jacked billionaire vampire werewolf boyfriends their romance novels promised them, and there are women who never leave a party alone—although I’m actually somewhat inclined to think the former extreme is something the redpill community made up. Aidan would say they turn into lesbians, but half the lesbians I know have higher cock counts than any straight girl and mostly appear to use “lesbianism” as an excuse not to sleep with the same man twice in a row.
Unless, of course, you get them young. But there is a reason these girls’ standards rise to Buttnaked level so quickly—you have to be fairly insane to try it.
However, it is not that hard to get away with fucking underage girls, unless you are such a loser that as soon as her tits finish growing in and she’s able to attract a real man, she’s disgusted with herself for letting you touch her with a ten foot pole, and she has to be really disgusted to overcome the natural fondness that all women have for their first.
The problem is that it is not possible to get away with marrying them, and if you express a desire to marry her and then don’t do it soon, no matter how illegal it would be, you will be unmanned in her eyes.
>it is not that hard to get away with fucking underage girls
Enlighten me, where and how do you meet underage girls? Jim has alluded to this before, but I do not know exactly.
>it is not possible to get away with marrying them
Alone, that is. If you have a friend or two or three on board with your plan then it becomes possible.
If you put on some sort of fun entertainment, a big party, (be prepared to spend quite a bit of money) and you are in charge, preselected, and, and from time to time everyone including the entertainers sees you calling the tune, if you can wander into the entertainer’s space, they look at you and you give them instructions, you will meet all kinds of girls.
I do not. If you want to, I suggest becoming a musician, or selling drugs. Jim may have other methods, but I presume he has kept them to himself for a reason.
OK fed.
Why are you named after my pseudonym’s mother, anyway?
Take the shill test.
“Crimes” against children are the go-to pretext for federal door knockers. Asking the question as he did is incredibly suspect. Fuck the shill test; hellban the faggot.
Let him take the shill test, then ban him. That way, if he manages to pass, we will know that our shill test is flawed.
While I no more think its morally wrong to bang POSTpubescent girls than it is to exceed speed limits or structure finances to avoid taxes I don’t do it because not worth the risk and talking about it in this explicit terms sounds very much like fedpoasting and in a way designed to make us look bad even among those who might be inclined to be sympatheic.
Nuke the whole thread…
I do not like self-censorship, but given the unwanted attention this has attracted, I would be on board with nuking.
Longtime lurker, not a fed. I could pass the shill test, but it’s besides the point.
>designed to make us look bad
Muhammad literally married a 6 year old and consummated the marriage when she was 9 and women even hardcore feminists don’t care (I wonder why?). This is “bad optics” because you are out of power. If one of you got a little wife (as Poe called his) the regime fell and marriage 1.0 legalized you would look very high-status and women around you would be jealous. Nuke the thread, ok by me. Last poast under this acct
@Noldi
When you want to buy drugs, you don’t walk up to strangers and ask them where they buy drugs.
In the Russian chans I’ve discovered that these days they use a specific term for glownigger feds and a specific shill test.
For glownigger they use “comrade major”. So when some anon says fellow forum users how does one get underage girls or when are the people going to rise up, they instantly answer something along the lines “relax, comrade major, we are but loyal patriots who merely discuss anime”.
Comrade major memes
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The current shill test is “say Putin blows Klaus Schwab on the Island of Secrets”. The Island of Secrets (or Adventure Island) is the current euphemism for Epstein’s island and in general any global elite hideaway with boy buggering undertones.
When anon says I don’t need to take the shill test because I’m not comrade major, the other anons proceed to write comments how they ritualistically pee on this anon’s face.
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I for one celebrate the vibrant diversity of the internets and gladly learn from other cultures.
So Putin is busy putting shills on Russian chans?
Our chans, last time I looked, were dead, just US gov robots talking to other robots.
I wouldn’t know who is shilling who on 2chan, but it looks robust and authentic enough to my foreign eye. Unexpected info pops up. Highly entertaining stuff too, not least of all the constantly evolving internal language.
And I guess the shill test is always based on local systemic taboos.
Perhaps Japan does not have a state sponsored shill problem.
But in our environment, any unmoderated forum that comes to the attention of the authorities is going to die because signal gets drowned out by meaningless repetitious noise from state sponsored shills, and all the real users get bored and go away.
That the unmoderated 2chan still lives, tells me no very large state sponsored shill problem in Japan.
Oh no, my bad, that’s a different 2chan.
I meant lurking in the Russian 2chan https://2ch.hk/po/ which totally does constantly need to evolve new ways of maintaining an internal immune system to identify and segregate shills and comrade majors.
According to my observation, more alpha than the father of a girl is required in the case when a guy directly enters into a confrontation with this father. When the bride’s father (more alpha) in one way or another approves of the guy (less alpha), that he is less alpha than her father does not cause problems if he is still a man. An absence of a father or a weak father is more of a bad sign, even if you are not very alpha. Fatherlessness sleep around and just picks up the counter faster in this I agree with Aidan.
She was asking you to take her by force and rather miffed it didn’t happen.
Many such cases!
In hindsight you are correct, but I wasn’t even thinking about that at the time. What I did was a much easier solution to get what I wanted, which I figured would be enough to satisfy her, but she wanted an even higher level of alpha than that. Quite frankly I didn’t really want to put in the effort of kidnapping, which I suppose she could be mad at due it being a hit to her ego or something.
What you should be thinking about is that any time you are alone with a woman in an ambiguous situation, the most dangerous thing possible is backing out, and your safest pathway in fact is forwards all the way through.
It’s not the men who fuck who women hit with charges, it’s the men who don’t fuck.
Welcome to current year, buddy.
She’s trying to be a sissy bitch dominatrix with you being a sissy bitch. Turning someone into a sissy bitch through sexual tension is a fetish which is growing by leaps and bounds.
Ideally you should wearing a cock cage and a butt plug at work and a dress at home, watch a lot of sissy hypno, and take estrogen pills while she sucks some Tyrone’s dick in front of you. No joke.
Sad.
Lots of websites with advice how to do sissification to a guy by the new breed of wannabie witches.
Many such cases.
If for some reason you want to keep at this chick, this is beyond generic shit-tests.
If you really want to have her as your woman, you’re gonna need to juggle deprogramming her while she’s trying to reprogram you.
Wouldn’t put it past her to put on stealth subliminals 15-19kHZ while you’re around, or ground estrogen into your food.
In short: this is wizard/priest territory. You’re gonna need 100% focus and 100% confidence and stamina, and you’ll need to pull a James Bond–i.e. get the enemy agent chick so overwhelmed with your skill and personality that she switches sides.
Otherwise before you know it you’ll be trancing to Bambi Sleep and moaning like a slut while the crazy bitch is pinching your nipples.
If you organize an offline getaway with the understanding that there’s no Internet for the duration, and you’re her whole environment and you constantly perform at peak condition, confidently molding her personality into healthy directions, then maybe you’ve got a shot at a happy ending, long term.
Short-term, I’m honestly just get her worked up with some porn, tie her up and bang her, and go your separate ways.
Another, sleazier variation: fight dildo with dildo. Go full dom, talk dirty to her, tell her she’s a crazy whore hungry for cock, etc, and stuff gets decided one way or another. Either she gets scared off, or she starts leaking and lets you have your way with her.
But again, you’ll have to perform at superman capacity to pull this off, and then continue performing like this in perpetuity, even as she periodically tries to pull a fellow white person trick on you hijacking your idea of justice and reciprocity, how it’s only fair is sometimes you switch roles, you’ll like it, get in touch with your feminine side, come one, everybody’s doing it, what are you, afraid, etc.
You seem kind of hung up on this. If it’s true that sissy bitch dominatrix fetish is getting more popular with women, it’s because gen Z men are generally sissy bitches already. Maybe the girls who are into this kind of thing are jilling off to it when alone, but when they end up in bed with a real man, any pretense of being a dominatrix swiftly disappears.
Let’s hope you’re right.
In the past I’d have said some people are excessively hung up on for example vaccinations and fema camps and muh freedoms and trannies and other “weird stuff”.
I have since been forced to revise my attitude.
You’re not far off. I said below that she made over 100k in the last few months collecting money from paypigs on twitch. Basic findom shit that could easily become dominatrix stuff for some of her simps.
I did engage in the verbal sparring myself, calling her some pretty demeaning things, but it wasn’t enough. More drastic solutions were likely required, as others have mentioned.
She sounds like someone who could use the power of the state through false witness as leverage for whatever petty or psychotic reason.
In less globohomo places this would mean she is primarily dangerous through mindgames and maybe through lying to some relatives or friends that you have been abusing her in order to have you stomped.
In more globohomo places she can snap her fingers and you’re a rapist kidnapper who drugged her and threatened her and whatnot. So I would suggest saving as many dated screenshots as possible of her talking dirty, then finding a way of tapering communications off in a manner that does not set off her demons, and move on.
The more one’s society is set up to channel and amplify the impulses of crazy bitches, the more the crazy bitch is dangerous, as the state becomes her exoskeleton robot suit with the power of a thousand suns.
I don’t know where the described events are taking place, but depending on whether it’s inside core globohomo, or on the periphery of globohomo, or outside globohomo, the objective mundane non–sci-fi risks take different forms and reach different scopes.
Tread with care is what I’m saying.
I doubt this has any appeal to women. What woman would want the situation you described? Only one who was willing to totally ignore the reproductive instinct in her brain.
It’s easy to see why femdom material appeals to men. Most men (maybe 90%) are beta enough that it causes relationship problems. Men (maybe just beta types, but I would bet all men) have a very common sexual fantasy of a woman who wants to have sex, enthusiastically, and does not require game, but who is also exclusive. The way porn studios square this circle is the fiction of the dominatrix, who is extremely sexually aggressive but specifically attracted to timid types. Clearly she is a male fantasy for the many men who find game a chore, and not a real woman (as any highly sexual woman will require tight game). The only reason a woman would act like a dominatrix is because she was acclimated to it by playing one as a character, which the OP reveals below is exactly what happened.
In particular I would highly doubt the likelihood any woman is going to put estrogen in a man’s food. It would change my mind some if you could produce a website, written by a “witchy” woman, for a female audience, about how to turn a male sexual partner into a “sissy” as you described.
There are no female dominatrixes, or else women would not have to be paid to do it. Or if they took pay for doing it, would actually fuck their clients.
But women are told that they want to rule the house, and when they shit test, it seems to them that they are attempting to rule the house.
And indeed they are attempting to rule the house, but if they succeed they will mysteriously leave and not come back, while if they fail, they will mysteriously stick around.
When I was younger I had a long term relationship with a hairdresser who was interested in “kink” and who called what we had a “female led relationship.” She was not much like the OP describes. Outside of the bedroom the main issue was that she insisted on cutting my hair and dressing me in clothes she bought. As a result I spent about a year looking like a flamboyant homosexual. You can probably guess this relationship never involved intense or harsh shit tests, because I was so inept at the time my only chance of passing a shit test was by accident.
She never ruled the house, despite claiming to do so for almost a year.
Very occasionally you meet a girl who turns into a total ice queen, cocktease, or some variation thereof once the pants are off. She wants to make you angry so that you give her an extra hard ravishing. I myself don’t feel confident passing shit tests like that in public.
If you don’t want to ravish her the second she starts talking like that, you can always fight back with words a little bit. She enjoys the tension of being on the edge of being raped and wants to prolong it for a while.
“Ugh I think I threw up in my mouth a little”
“Keep suckin like that and won’t I cum anyway”
It’s not that you should get dragged into endless banter, It just feels more natural to me to parry the verbal before you bang her.
On one hand, she probably has a low body count because only chad rayp enjoyers get to bang her. On the other hand, she’s only ever slept with chad rayp enjoyers and you’ve got an uncertain chance of being the chaddest. This is what I mean when I say that quality matters more than quantity for a woman’s notch count
Well obviously you cannot give her an extra hard ravishing in public. (Nor in the backseat of her car.)
So abduct her to your lair (hard to bang women without a nice secure lair) rip her pants off, and just when she is expecting an extra brutal ravishing, spank her.
Having passed the shit test, and demonstrated willingness and capability to give her an extra hard ravishing, and just when you are about to proceed from spanking to brutal and cruel ravishing, proceed to find distractions that delay you endlessly. Remember. You have an important mission, much more important than mere women, and important things to do. She will stick around despite your attention purportedly being elsewhere. Women, unlike men, have unlimited patience in this matter.
How exactly do you advise “abducting” a woman to your lair? If she is already in your car, easy to drive wherever you like and she probably won’t complain, but just picking her up and carrying her off seems unlikely to fly in most circumstances.
The choice of location did not seem to matter, as she made no effort to get away or attract the attention of others nearby. Unless you mean that it needs to be my domain, regardless of privacy level. In my experience women love being fucked in public, in close proximity to other people where they might be caught. But I’ll take your word for it.
Yes, women want a man to display dominance in public, as publicly as possible, to prove he is more alpha than all the other men around, but it is inevitably going to cramp your style. Inevitably you will reveal doubt that you are the most alpha male around.
In my experience, it’s too easy to lose wood in this scenario, which is why I went for it right away. I have been in situations where when it came to the moment of truth, I was not stiff enough to commit the act due to all of the hubbub of pant removal and whatnot.
Time is never of the essence, unless you are getting sleepy. You should be taking all the time in the world to get around to checking to see if she qualifies.
The woody at half mast is rooted in viewing the act as proving something to someone. Most of us get sucked into this trap in one way or another.
Banging a chick is not, however, about proving something to anyone. Not her, not yourself, not any imaginary judges.
This is about you, and should be happening at your own speed. I mean this theoretically, not necessarily with the current bitch as she sounds toxic and dangerous in a very real false witness sense.
When it’s about you and at your own speed, when you confidently take control and her mind switches off, you just go with the flow. Speed up the process of undressing her, or slow it down. It’s not a blur where you’re scrambling for the goal posts. You’re in the moment, everything is real, better yet hyper-real, you’re in complete control, her flesh reacts to your every touch, be it gentle or rough, erotic or simply possessive.
It’s easy to reach such a moment and then exit it through clumsiness, but shit gets real when you enter it and expand upon it, maintain it. The moment of hyper-reality when everything is going by your speed, according to your needs, while she understands that here is her chance to switch off her mind and get some relief from pretending to be sane and rational, and does just that.
She needs to really believe you’re providing a safe environment for her to stop pretending, and that you know what you’re doing. When she believes this and let’s go (from frenzy to limpness to a million variations inbetween) — and you’re in the moment, playing her like an instrument, gradually approaching the moment of actual intercourse — then potency is never in question.
In fact, even if soft in between orgasms, this is still completely fine. You just keep up the cocoon of sensation for her via other means, until again ready for a proper banging.
Every woman is different so it takes a bit to get in tune with her specifics and start doing “a musical improvisation” but 90% of the basics are the same.
You take control even on the level of kissing and groping, you show that you know what you’re doing and that this is a safe environment for her to stop pretending, and that’s it.
She’s no longer trying to prove something to someone, you’re no longer trying to prove something to someone, the act is suddenly authentic and the million voices inside one’s head are quite silent. Only the moment.
If you fail to believe it is all about you, and her preferences are irrelevant, if it is not happening at your speed, and your speed is that you have all the time in the world, being secure in your domain, and women are unimportant to you, having a plentiful supply of women and an important mission far beyond the ken of mere women, you are not going to pass the test, because to be seen to try to pass the test is to fail it.
140% true.
While she was pretty hot and I certainly would not mind fucking her in the future, I am more interested in making sure she does not file a police report, as she accused me in the text of doing a very illegal thing. I should have emphasized that part more. I am not starved for pussy at the moment. While I am confident that I could handle myself with her another time, my priorities lie elsewhere. If I can ignore her completely and move on with my life, I’ll definitely take that option. Perhaps I am being too worried, I have never been called out for my actions in such a way.
I have since discovered after a little investigation that she does twitch “hot tub streams”, where she shows off her body in a bikini for simps to give money. Furthermore, thanks to the recent twitch leaks, I was able to see that she made 6 figures doing this in the last few months. I really should have done this before meeting her, as if I’d known that I probably would have stayed away.
Whores are always looking for a new pimp. She was giving you the pimp job interview. You are unlikely to qualify, and in the unlikely case you did qualify, you would find it even harder to stop her from whoring.
Twice in my youth I’ve been with a new girl who’s introducing me to some assholes she knows, and I realize that in this situation I’ve been assigned the role of The New Pimp for a whore that’s Trying To Move On.
Hence the girls behaving the way they did, hence the appraising looks I got from the assholes.
This was of course before livestreams and paypigs and online simping. These days the scene is way more Martian.
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I will just ignore her for now and move on with my life. If I don’t need to hit her up again to cover my own ass from legal troubles, then I will refrain. Although my dick really wants me to give it a try.
https://treeofwoe.substack.com/p/socialism-with-chinese-characteristics?
Thoughts on this essay, Jim?
@St. John
If the Middle Kingdom and the Progressive Empire go to war, where does the good reactionary stand?
I’ve discussed with Aidan the idea of gathering a group of men, their women, and wealth & weapons, and entreating King Xi to render up an enclave in the Western Wastes as a refuge. We would swear fealty and guard the marches, keeping our sabaton firmly on the necks of the slanted Mohamadans. In exchange, we extricate the genitals of our sons from the snips of the sinful, raise our daughters to be obedient, and build a new home for ourselves. But of late it seems that Xi is not going to declare Monarchy. Rather, he seems to be staggering Left.
Putin is the only game in town.
Very disappointed in Xi. He is on a course that will lead to the destruction of his party – his state religion is at best a zombie, at worst a corpse, and he is doing exactly the wrong thing about his problem.
Xi is not a leader that anyone can follow to reach a safe future. He needs to converge communism to Mandate of Heaven Confucianism and Hong Kong capitalism, as Deng did, but is on the opposite course, sailing away from safe harbor into the storm.
If communism was a live faith, the party could weather the storm with no problems, but is dead and it is not coming back, and as a result, the party, like the Czars, is losing memetic sovereignty, what Putin calls “Spiritual Security.”
The problem I see with the CCP regime in China is that, like the USSR before it, it is Western-derived.
The link I posted disagrees with your thesis and he supports it pretty well. He may be wrong, but it could also be the case that the Cathedral has managed to infiltrate his brain trust. That is their primary specialty, after all.
“Cathedral infiltrating CCP”
No.
Your argument sucks, as usual. Something is decaying the good works of Deng. Something is leading the Chinese away from their instinctual monarchism and towards Western rot. It very well could be communism, but I just don’t see it. With no evidence to provide, I nonetheless claim that Cathedral agents have been infiltrating the CCP brain trust and leading them towards convergence. I think it is going to become clearer over time, and I’m quite comfortable with being wrong. Indeed, I genuinely hope I am. It could also be the case that China wrests itself free from the grasp, after millions have starved to death.
Its Xi, a fish rots from the head. Xi is an actual communist.
You generally have to join the CCP as a kid… Baizuo ideology isn’t conducive to promotion.
I bet the CCP has an army of consultants.
Lol i dont think there are any chinese rick wilsons…
This is true, and untrue. It is only in small part Cathedral agents in the sense of men literally on the Cathedral payroll.
What it is loss of what Putin calls Spiritual Security, what the Dark Enlightenment calls Memetic Sovereignty. The problem is that there are no end of Chinese members of the communist party born and raised communist who would feel it an enormous honor, and not treason at all, to be on the Cathedral payroll taking orders from the Cathedral.
They all want their kids to go to Harvard.
I am going to just add a note concerning Harvard.
This applies to the whole world, except to mainland China, which introduced a systematized version of the whole public exam thing around the time Rome was drifting toward collapse.
To them “getting into Harvard” or “into Oxford” was a thing for a very brief moment in the 1990s and a bit after that.
Since then, especially over the last decade, they have settled on a more “traditional” social position of “foreign universities are a way to save face for parents whose kids can’t get into a proper university in China.”
By the time graduation of high school approaches, it becomes more or less clear can the kid get into a first tier uni in China. If the kid can’t, then the face-saving device which saves the family from the dishonor of a second or third-tier university, is to send the kid to Yale or Cambridge.
If the kid shows to be only capable of a third-tier university, then they give up and just send them anywhere in the west just to get some damn degree and maybe make some damn connections.
This does not count of course focused infiltration. With focused infiltration even Slovakia and Kenya universities get a quota of Chinese students. But for the rest of the white collar population, who make higher education decisions based only on prestige and career options, going to some New England uni is a face-saving device for kids who have shown that they can’t handle the brutal breakdown and suicide-inducing competition back home on the mainland.
In most, if not all other parts of the world, if someone flies off to study in America or England or France or Germany, this is proof that they have risen above the local level.
In contemporary mainland China a degree from Ivy League means “couldn’t handle a real university, huh?”
You’ve got your “white guard tsarist” overseas Chinese who settled abroad decades ago, that’s different. But the kids of the “bolsheviks”, they go to study abroad either as actors in focused infiltration, or, in the vast majority of cases, as “surplus students” who may be smart but can’t handle the pressure back home.
It’s not easy to remember the degree to which East Asians are a culture of autists whose natural impulse is tp just encapsulate themselves and to whom the external world is mostly a persistent irritant that stands in the way of the encapsulation, and with whom in a perfect reality contact would only be trade through intermediaries.
Not counting the travel boom of the new Chinese middle class over the last 15 years, when they started doing selfies in Paris and buying handbags in Milano. But again, this to them was mostly “extended shopping abroad”, and not “holidays in a place where I want my kids to study”.
You’ve got your eccentrics who buy land in Australia and live out a cowboy dream with the horseback riding and the hats and spurs and sheit, but that’s not what helps a party career back home. Rather it’s a one-way ticket.
Likewise, you’ve got your safety-conscious upper middle class who hedge their bets by buying a house in Portugal just in case, but that’s also different. Party members are 5% of the population, and behavior like this is killer for their career, unless it was sanctioned as part of an infiltration effort.
Chinese seem to flood the prog universities and integrate well. Their outlook on it is a bit different, but they don’t consider top Western universities inferior to middle-ranked Chinese universities in terms of granting them personal social status. They accept their place in a Western status hierarchy.
Compare to Japanese, who are supposedly good suppliants of the US, but whose children are practically invisible at US universities.
“foreign universities are a way to save face for parents whose kids can’t get into a proper university in China.â€
I recently lived in china.
This is the perfect opposite of the attitude of the beijing elite. They speak only about getting into a “top ten” university, of which none are in china, most in america. Being left in china means you are second rate or your parents need you close for some reason or you just aren’t all that ambitious.
“hahaha i get to study critical theory and art at northwestern, while my stupid èƒ–å‹ ate too many egg tarts instead of study long time and has to settle for 国立北平艺术专科å¦æ ¡”.
I knew literally not a single chinese student who would agree with you – the staybehinds were the losers.
And chinese universities are also just universities. There’s no breakneck competition. They just play phone games all day.
Loss of intellectual sovereignty. Xi’s current course will destroy his regime, as it destroyed the Czars.
The state religion of China is Maoism, Maoism is dead as a doornail, and Xi’s efforts to breath life into the corpse may well destroy the Chinese economy, but will not bring back the dead.
Should try Mandate of Heaven Confucianism, and if that fails, Chinese Christianity with divine right monarchy.
A Chinese Constantine’s Moment, officiating Christianity, would really be something.
Once it’s legal and official, they can have their own Council of Nicaea and decide what it exactly is. The Chinese Orthodox Church is born! Their own Bible edits and everything.
Could it really be that Xi doesn’t understand the memetic/spiritual situation that China is in? Could he possibly not be that smart?
He hid out in caves during the Cultural Revolution, which to me says yes, he sure does understand these things, and how important and powerful they are.
the beijing elite… speak only about getting into a “top ten†university, of which none are in china, most in america.
I imagine that if Xi one way or another re-establishes intellectual sovereignty, attitudes will change in response and Chinese universities will become higher prestige than Cathedral universities.
What’s interesting is that Viktor Orban seems to be taking a chance on this happening, by trying to open a branch of a Chinese university in Budapest, perhaps more-or-less as a replacement for the Soros-backed Central European University, a Cathedral indoctrination center that Orban recently managed to kick out of Hungary.
The Cathedral seems to be aware of the risks; it is not only squawking about Fudan University’s Budapest campus, but also fighting it tooth and nail. The whole Cathedral apparatus is mobilized against Orban in next year’s elections.
Whenever I talk to born-in-China Chinese about world politics, they always have some way to totally justify China and whatever it is doing, but their takes are always grounded in USA ideology. USA is bad because it had slavery. Yellow lives matter. We were wronged by the Chinese Exclusion Acts.
They don’t seem to realize that this ideology is steered inside the US for the benefit of interests in the US and always will be. They’re either unable to come up with their own ideas, or uninterested in doing so.
The Japanese Yasukuni Shrine is the same by the way (at least on the commentary that’s translated into English). Japanese war crimes were justified or excusable because Japan was fighting a war against American and European colonialism and capitalism. But maybe that’s just a public face.
>”Could it really be that Xi doesn’t understand the memetic/spiritual situation that China is in?”
>”He hid out in caves during the Cultural Revolution, which to me says yes, he sure does understand these things, and how important and powerful they are.”
Rather, his behavior in the former case is precisely because of the later case. In short terms, it’s stockholm syndrome.
One who is abused in some manner will often recapitulate that same kind of abuse in others, because they have sublimated their perception of the abuse as something normal, as not abuse, as a defense mechanism.
Xi *needs* to believe that communism is worthy and worthwhile, because otherwise, he would not be a patriot inheriting a glorious legacy for the good of china… he would be a victim, just like everyone else, instead.
https://scholars-stage.org/a-note-on-historical-nihilism/
This makes total sense out of Xi’s self destructive and nationally destructive behavior.
He does not want to believe, does not want anyone to believe, that the crimes of the revolution, the crimes that were committed against him and his family, were all for nothing.
But plainly, they were all for nothing.
And because people need to believe in something, and what Xi is offering does not fly, they start believing in what the Cathedral is offering.
Jim wrote: “Should try Mandate of Heaven Confucianism, and if that fails, Chinese Christianity with divine right monarchy.”
That’s what “NTD” (New Tang Dynasty) is all about, with a strong emphasis on Falun Gong. Their “Shen Yun” dance performances are heavy on “Mandate of Heaven” imagery. It looks like they’re trying to establish not so much a state religion, but a national religion — the difference being that “nation” refers to common place of birth, as in the Latin “nativitas,” not the ruling government itself. They aim to displace godless communism.
Confucianism led to “intelligent yet idiot” public officials and stagnation in China…Nationalist Christianity would be a much better choice in the modern world…
>If the Middle Kingdom and the Progressive Empire go to war, where does the good reactionary stand?
The CCP is not harvard, but their are not your brothers, either.
May they both kill each other and let us rebuild from the ashes.
While this is not Jimian red pill, I doubt that politicians in the West can express regret at women not bearing children and get away with it:
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/karnataka/modern-indian-women-want-to-stay-single-unwilling-to-give-birth-even-after-marriage-karnataka-health-minister/article36930514.ece
BJP is at best, purple pilled on the WQ, but there are signs that the Cathedral doctrine on women emancipation is being questioned, somewhat indirectly.
I’ve talked to leftists who openly admit that they’re policy on women’s lib in India is about reducing population. They have the same policy for the US but screech like shit flinging chimps if you point it out.
Politicians in India are not Boler, just ignorant about the power of Woke. Here is the backlash, https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/row-erupts-after-karnataka-minister-sudhakar-says-modern-women-want-to-stay-single/ar-AAPn3a8?ocid=msedgntp
Once wisdom has dawned as to the power of the woke, watch him try to wriggle out
“First of all, I would like to convey that I am my proud father of a daughter and I am also a medical doctor by training”
Obviously that’s not going to work. So let’s wait for tomorrow’s installment where he finally cucks and takes it from behind in the you know what.
In Jaahil Gawaaron ka koi bharosa nahi
While you have a poiint, Poz is not hard power in India. The retraction is not quite a retraction. Most of the power of woke in India is through the English language media which still has very poor reach beyond the Urban elites, which our politicians especially regional ones care two hoots about.
Though the English media in India is a cathedral agent, the power to enforce woke is quite weak in India at the moment and weaker due to the Empire’s fall in Afghanistan.
The problem is that English is high status all over India including the hinterlands. Hinterland Folk want their kids speaking English by the time they are adults. So they read English newspapers to up their language skills. So what the English speaking Indians believe today, the hinterland folk will believe tomorrow.
Still, I hope to be proved wrong and hope you are right. I just can’t rid myself of these damned black-pilled thoughts. And God, I am trying and failing.
I know. But though high status, the English media is still subservient to state power in India. At least till Modi is in power, the power of woke will be restricted. If Congress or any other leftists come to power, expect them to take orders directly from the cathedral..
Well, the issue here is that Modi is merely slowing down the rate of increase of woke power, dP/dt if you please. The power of woke has been growing much more slowly since Modi came to power, but growing all the same. When the secular-left is in power, woke increases at an alarming rate.
What we want is someone who can roll back woke power. Not slow it down or even hold it at current levels. And I don’t see anyone on the horizon who can do that. Not even Yogi. So it seems Modi is just buying us a few years before the inevitable.
Convince people to learn Mandarin.
No one convinced the Indians by means of elaborate arguments that English was high status. British conquest convinced them of that. For Indians to be convinced that Mandarin is high status, the Chinese will have to conquer them first.
In India, the winner takes all.
How many red pills can you dispense/consume in an hour?
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I am not claiming Christ. I do not come to this place as a Christian. Everything I’m saying I’ve lifted from my betters or cobbled together myself.
There is a Christian elite, and they are the sole of the boot firmly pressing on the neck of the faith.
I was raised in a deeply baptist environment. I read through the bible 2 or 3 times by the age of 14 (school mandated reading, aloud, with whole family). I was steeped in the apologia of white southern baptist circa 1990s. For those of you too young, too foreign, too Yankee, or too lizard, the southern baptist convention, the white one, held a lot of power, had a lot of adherents, and preached a doctrine largely consistent with Jimian Christianity. They have been reduced greatly, and have gone over heavily to a Latino demography. To be honest, I avoid looking into them because the pain of being so very, very close to a good thing and having lost it because I was so certain that I knew better… I’m sure we all carry regrets.
There were hypocrites in the leadership. There were imperfect vessels. There was obstinance against scientific truth. But before I was ever taught to poke holes in my own faith, before I was ever forcefed blue pills by promiscuous bitches and fairweather friends, before I began worshipping the demon of unrestrained lust, there was contemporary christian music/entertainment. This was the exploit that brought down American Christianity. Once DC Talk and Audio Adrenaline are allowed into the home, it isn’t long before Five Iron Frenzy follows (look them up; disgusting cultural marxist entryists, men with millions of checks to turn, eschewing all vestiges of old type faith). There is no such thing as a good Christian family that allows pop entertainment into the home. Non-denominational faith is no faith at all. And the Christian entertainment memeplex is how Christianity in America was converged.
I am not calling for a people’s rebellion or anything like that, but before the Choppernators take the first batch of associate professors out over the north Atlantic, every single megachurch manager, every single “praise and worship” charlatan, and every single Karen Christian that let’s her daughters play slut must be crowding the haunt of lobsters. I fear that for the Christians to rise again, there needs to be a terrible bloodletting. And this is why I remain an advocate of a “new” faith. There are just too many of us failed Christians wandering about. As always, just my opinion and I’m sure I’m failing to see something obvious.
This is the way.
I’m not familiar enough with the SBC/evangelical protestant world to know if contemporary Christian music is responsible for as large an effect as you attribute to it, but I agree wholeheartedly with the conclusion.
Jim does not want me telling him what Christianity is, which is fine, but there are certainly a lot of people calling themselves Christian, many of whom would probably even pass his demon worshipper test, who would nonetheless be horrified by the things preached on this blog. A Christian revival movement will likely need new creeds with more comprehensive tests against the errors of the day, something like the Thirty-nine Articles (although having read the actual Thirty-nine Articles recently, I expect they would keep out most of those I have in mind, if for reasons that seem somewhat tangential to the real problems).
I reckon actual Christians like Phil Robertson would not be all that horrified by the things being preached on this blog.
Well, of course not. Although, to me, his specific brand of Christianity seems rather like the backwoods evangelical protestantism that I was accused of conflating with Christianity in general.
I’m not saying you’re advocating this, but I doubt anyone here wants Phil Robertson’s church to become the state church of America.
The proverbial ‘backwoods evangelical protestant’ is a man who lives nowhere; he does not live in Appalachia, nor does he live in the midwest, or the south east, nor Maine, nor Montana, nor Iowa, nor Oregon, nor anywhere. He is a universalized, obscure, hyperreal simulacrum that stands up in the minds of people who have never met anyone from any of these places in their lives when they imagine what ‘the other’ must think about ‘christianity’.
I have personally met many good men from some of these places, though that’s more or less incidental, since i wouldn’t be enshrining them spiritual authorities anyways.
Regarding the matter in the thread starter, the main underlaying dynamics im sensing is, on one tentacle, im not seeing the measures described as bad things in the first place, and also, basically the same as what some of our more bloodthirsty commentator have already been advocating.
I absolutely want Phil Robertson’s church to become the state church of America. He is distinctly Amerikaner and his brand of evangelical Christianity is distinctly Amerikaner.
The problem with Amerikaners is that they are a nation without an aristocracy. The old Amerikaner elite, what Moldbug called the Optimates, died out or was converged to the prog aristocracy years ago. The program some have proposed, of killing the whole prog aristocracy and elevating the likes of Phil Robertson, or even Donald Trump, to the ranks of the new elite, is going to be massively dysgenic.
We need to un-converge the Optimates, and we are not going to do that with evangelical protestantism as practiced in the swamps of Louisiana. My test for a potential state religion is if I could see Elon Musk converting to it. Americanized Russian Orthodoxy, or some kind of Anglican revival, sure. Swamp Evangelicalism, no.
The prog aristocracy isn’t that smart not much genetic damage in wiping them out.
Trump seems like hes a bit dyslexic but he has legitimate geniuses in his family, his uncle and apparently Baron Trump for example.
Yes, perhaps not fair to Trump. I can see the case for his being much smarter than he looks.
In their war on the existence of innate intelligence the prog elite are rapidly supidifying themselves. However, I believe they are still above average, at least for now. The thing about blue counties producing most of the GDP does not come from nothing. The red-state response, “well, we produce all of the food”, presupposes a dark age and technological decline that, while inevitable, I would nonetheless like to avoid as much as possible,
Red states more rural or more niggers. Also the best group of immigrants America got by far were the Germans and 80% of them went North.
So whatever developmental advantage the pozlands have its not connected to the existence of the prog aristocracy.
@Feanor
Most of that is bullshit financial instruments. Most of the farming and even the manufacturing is in the red areas.
The reason blue counties “produce most of the GDP” is FIRE. Finance, Education, and Real Estate.
Universities count as adding to GDP, although they in fact are a drain on the economy, a cost, not production.
Banks count as adding to GDP, though they just move bits of paper around that symbolize other people adding to GDP.
And urban real estate is not primarily valuable because people are using it to produce value. They are using it because it is more important for your top people to be close to power than close to production.
Nuts. Your image of Christians in the swamps of Louisiana comes from 2010 internet atheists.
Should the New York Times treat them respectfully, and we start recruiting the Board of Harvard from that lot, optimates will find their faith impressive and congenial.
I favor Orthodoxy, because that is the only faith remaining that has the chain of apostolic succession alive and unbroken (Roman Catholicism, Episcopalianism, and Anglicanism found apostolic succession far too embarrassing, and very quietly stopped doing it, though I expect that there are still a few secretly Christian Bishops that managed to quietly receive apostolic succession in those Churches.)
But Protestantism as practiced in the swamps of Louisiana is the last survivor of a high IQ faith created by upper class intellectuals for upper class intellectuals, or a living memory of that faith. There is nothing in it likely to repel optimates and highly intelligent people except that it is low status, which can be easily remedied.
The optimates all cheerfully converted to progressivism, because high status, even though it is stupid, every time it gets reinvented it gets even stupider, and it gets reinvented at alarmingly frequent intervals. Protestantism in the swamps of Louisiana is a much more intelligent faith, or a memory of that much more intelligent faith.
Also, the optimates are pretty smart people, and progressivism hates smart people. The optimates are largely capitalist, and progressivism hates capitalism. Louisiana Protestantism likes smart people and likes entrepreneurs. They are big on thrift, industry, and wise application of talents. What is not for the optimates to like?
If Amerikaner Protestantism becomes high status, and Optimates begin converting to it, it will quickly come to resemble the upper class, intellectually serious faith that it descends from, by which you presumably mean something like Restoration Anglicanism, and all forms of retardation with which it is justly or unjustly associated will swiftly disappear. However, it is getting there from here that I see as a problem.
You argue that Caesar (or more pedantically Constantine) will get us there, because you argue that progressivism only looks intelligent while being stupid because it is high status, and it is only high status because its adherents are in power, and power is an essentially military phenomenon. Thus, all our Constantine has to do is roll tanks into Harvard Yard and put Phil Robertson on its board, and our elite will enthusiastically come to believe what Phil Robertson believes.
Maybe this will happen; progressivism is getting stupid enough fast enough that it is having trouble keeping up the illusion of being intelligent, and it is becoming hostile enough to our Optimates that they might jump ship without caring about how stupid or unfashionable they look. But what I am arguing is that there are intrinsic things about progressivism that cause it to look smart to most people even when it is quite stupid (although perhaps not infinitely stupid), and its current status and power is at least partly an effect of that, and not entirely the cause.
What are they? Progressivism was definitely smart from about 1800 to 1916, but it has not been smart within living memory.
And the hostility to “nerds” and to the kind of art and entertainment favored by smart people, what used to be high art, shows progressives know this in their hearts. They hate Musk because he is smart.
For any intelligent person, the illusion that progressivism was smart was shattered by Pinker, Global warmism, Paul Krugman, Michael Mann, Gould, “an inconvenient truth”, and official Genius Aaron Swartz.
The left has not had any really smart intellectuals since Bertrand Russel, and each new crop of intellectuals is worse than the last.
In the sixties, they had all the good songs. Now they have Star Wars. In Bertrand Russel’s time, they had all the really smart intellectuals. Now they only have fake officially smart intellectuals like Krugman.
There is nothing that makes progressivism look smart to anyone but force. If I had a bunch of armed men behind me that were going to smash the teeth of anyone who disagrees with me I could superficially appear smart no matter what dumb shit I did or said. That force disappeared when the American military tripped over itself running out of Afghanistan, and all of a sudden other countries started using treatments that worked, canceling vax passports, and other reactions. Which says that no one thinks much of the brains behind progressivism, but feared its fists and teeth.
@Wulfgar Thundercock III
Amen.
Progressivism has been getting steadily dumber since 1916 or so, because in that time it has not faced an enemy that was both intellectually serious and numerous enough to threaten it, but it has always been the case that progressives overwhelmingly think of themselves as smart people, are extremely proud of being smart whether they actually be or not, and primarily recruit new progressives by convincing them that progressives are smart.
Leftist memes are walls of text, because they primarily work by implying that if you don’t agree with the argument, you must not understand it, therefore you are not as smart as the author and ought to shut up and listen to what xe says. Obviously this selects for arguments that are as nonsensical as possible, defending conclusions that are as absurd as possible, so that the author can convince everyone that xe is very very smart. It is the same way with art—and Star Wars is more prog propaganda than prog art—a lot of the art that progs claim to enjoy bears some superficial resemblance to high art but has been intentionally ruined, so that they can claim they are even more sophisticated than the old dead white men who made the old high art.
Admissions to Harvard are biased against white people, but within each race they still broadly correlate with IQ, or at least they did within living memory. And it is no longer quite true, but was certainly true within living memory, that no one cared if jocks were old-type Christians, but an old-type Christian kid in a so-called “gifted” class would be mocked until he apostatized. The nerd stereotype exists because a lot of smart young men actually are like that, but they’re like that because they’re marinated in anti-masculine prog ideology from the age of ten at latest, while the less smart kids are left alone. They hate Musk, not because he is smart, but because he is smart and not a beta bitch like them.
(As the spiral spirals ever lefter, and the left gets ever browner and consequently ever dumber, there are a growing number who don’t so much hate smart people, as deny that intelligence is a meaningful thing that exists at all, but the historical core of the left as I understand it has always been, and to a substantial extent still is, white and Jewish nerds.)
During the early part of the twentieth century, this perception had much truth in it. It has ceased to have truth for quite some time and reality is sinking in. I can see in the materials they produce that even progressives themselves have come to doubt that they are the smart people. Their self perception is out of date, and they are starting to lose confidence in it.
Without power, when the holiness spiral is forcibly stopped, or they murder everyone within their power including each other, suddenly no one will share this perception.
They correlate fine with IQ up to a certain IQ, but there is a ceiling, and the ceiling is getting lower. Anyone who is too smart is suspected of heresy.
Havard graduates used to be ignorant, but very smart, because the entrance tests were IQ tests, and because they tended to be children of the elite, which used be smart. Now they are ignorant, and stupid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXb7Oq13pjQ
On seeing this video, I asked my cleaning lady the same question. She passed. Most Harvard students failed. (I no longer have a cleaning lady, for my wife looks after me, and they do not like each other.)
The entrance tests from a hundred years ago asked about four points on a conic section. Today’s entrance tests ask about triangles. You can see the ceiling in the entrance tests.
When they took analogies out of the SAT, that should have told you that they are not interested in the kind of people who can understand analogies.
I will add that in recent years, their beliefs have become so insane that no amount of rhetorical slight-of-hand is doing much to convince people, and they have resorted to hard power and censorship of their enemies, but it is easy to identify when they started doing that on a large scale, and it was not that long ago.
We’ve all seen that Harvard students seasons video a dozen times. It’s the equivalent of those “man-on-the-street can’t answer simple questions” comedy bits, and like those, you can only wonder how many people answered correctly and ended up on the cutting room floor.
Harvard kids are not dumb. They are very, very smart. Intelligence is not the only selection criterion, though; they have to be politically sound, yes, and they have to play the “meritocracy” game at the highest possible level. These are people who were willing and able to turn their entire lives into resume-building exercises, or at least plausibly present their lives that way. The ambition and dedication it takes to do that in ones teen years are terrifying. This is a formidable crew, and it has crushed all challengers who came against it for last 100 years. Do not underestimate them.
Also, the smartest kid in my high school class went to the big H.
If you want to recruit a smart elite, you have analogies in the SAT. One after another the selection criteria that filter for smarties have been biting the dust. MIT was the last to drop, Yale the first.
Older Harvard grads are mighty smart. Recent Harvard grads …
The really high end questions have dropped out of the entrance criteria one after another since around 1875 or so. That simply undeniable. And now some of the questions that have recently dropped out, such as analogies, are for half smart midwits.
How long ago? Before or after they dropped analogies?
There is an IQ ceiling in the entrance tests, and if you compare old tests with new tests, you can see over time that ceiling getting lower and lower, faster and faster.
If the Ivys drop analogies in the entrance criteria, many of their students cannot do analogies. If many of their students cannot do analogies, probably cannot explain why summer is warmer than winter.
That video is consistent with Ivy entrance criteria. If you are way smarter than the morons in the video, and most of us here are way smarter, it is not going to show up in your university entrance testing.
If you look at the change in testing over time, the consistent pattern, even for MIT, is that they are dropping the questions that are too hard for midwits.
Obviously they are selecting hard, and ever harder, on political correctness. It used to be that Harvard progressivism had elaborate ingenious sophomoric explanations of the falsifications of Harvard theology, for example Gould’s young human species creationism, and mastering those ingenious lies took some smarts. Now, it is a lot easier for a really dumb person to pass as politically correct than a smart person. Everyone now seems to have forgotten Gould’s young species creationism.
In so far as the Ivys are selecting for smarts, it can only be because passing as politically correct requires smarts. It used to be that at the top end, political correctness did select for smarts, because of elaborate ingenious sophomoric rationalizations of the conflicts between ideology and people’s lived experience. Those elaborate ingenious sophomoric rationalizations, such as Gould’s young species creationism, have dropping like flies.
Today, you pass as politically correct by being too stupid to notice the contradictions between ideology and life, not by being smart enough to understand a clever rationalization.
I admit, it was before.
Medieval Popes could easily pass the Trinity Test. Alaric couldn’t.
Are there?
Perhaps, but I simply have not encountered them – apart from the issue of priestly celibacy, which has been debated on this blog, and the perpetual virginity of Mary, which has been discussed in another place.
Which is why I am far more optimistic about Christianity resurrecting than Alf is.
What do you think would horrify them? It is not obvious to me. It seems to me more like actual Christians find a part of themselves remembering a much older Christianity.
Prog Christians do not actually inwardly perceive themselves as Christian, but as progs. I get the overwhelming impression that none of them would pass the Demon Worshiper test. They may say “Jesus Jesus I love Jesus” all day long, but flinch at the “the Lord Jesus Christ”. Christian progs, on the other hand, shed their prog easily, like an uncomfortable mask that they have been wearing. There is a tension between prog and Christianity that a Christian finds bothering him.
The single most horrifying thing is likely to be your noticing of early female sexual behavior. Your positions on race and genocide are probably a close second, and your use of the ancient definition of adultery, while not exactly horrifying, is likely to receive vocal opposition.
I am obviously already excluding people arguing for female emancipation or open borders or the like. These people easily affirm “honor and obey, love and cherish”, but believe that a husband must be within X years of his wife’s age to properly love and cherish her, or that he is failing to do so by fucking bitches while away from her, even if she has no idea of it at all. The really insane positions on sex, the elevation of celibacy over marriage and the like, appear to only be held by incels trying to claim holier-than-thou, and might just vanish as soon as we have restored marriage, but thanks to priestly celibacy these positions are not new in the Western Church, and have quite a weight of tradition behind them.
Early female sexuality, and certain other redpill truths stated bluntly, are opposed so vociferously and irrationally even by people who are perfectly willing to violate all other prog taboos, that I have concluded I am not running into taboos at all, but something innate, and it in fact it requires very strong taboos and copybook headings to force most men to notice, or at least act as though they notice.
Similarly, even those Christians who are strong nationalists often believe in a sort of “separate but equal” nationalism, and believe that all races are created equal, not in actual real-world capabilities, but in some sort of metaphysical dignity that nonetheless means we ought not allow natural selection to occur against the inferior ones. They do not seem all that upset about the Christian conquests and genocides of the past, so maybe you are right that there is a seed of older Christianity inside waiting to sprout, but I would not count on their alliance if it were happening in front of their face.
It may be that such squeamishness about the reality of nature is simply normal regardless of faith, and such men simply do not move the wheels of the world. Even Moldbug has lately taken to advocating artificial technology restriction to protect the economic relevance of the low IQ, so it cannot really be blamed on Christianity.
There is no way to avoid a terrible bloodletting. If the present holiness spiral is not stopped we eventally get a terrible bloodletting like the Khmer Rouge did in Cambodia. The holiness spiral can only be stopped by bloodletting regardless of the faith of the men who stop it.
Why do you think a “new” faith would be able stop the holiness spiral with less bloodletting? The necessary bloodletting is not about the blood of the men doing the stopping of the holiness spiral.
It won’t
Stopping the holiness spiral has to come first.
With the holiness spiral stopped, leftism withers away, leaving a vacuum. The faith in the Republic will have already died. Only Qtards still believe.
And then the vacuum will need filling, lest demons re-occupy it.
As Jim would say nuts.
Baptists proles are not a problem, and people almost never live up to their religious principles. Prog academics otoh are a real problem.
Now prog entryists within christian denominations that had leaned right… that is another matter.