All must kiss the ring of Trump, Holy Emperor of the Ocean Lands

For we must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately

I love Trump being the sovereign, and I loved the Musk being his tech adviser.

And I would love Musk being president, and Trump being his speechwriter, political adviser, and press officer.

But Trump is president, and if Musk was president he would desperately need such a political adviser. Musk is troubled because the one big beautiful bill will lead to the US becoming bankrupt in a decade or so. It just postpones imminent looming bankruptcy a little bit. I am more worried about civil war, international nuclear war, and/or hot genocide of whites in the next year or two.

Trump needs to get power into his hands and out of the hands of the permanent government before he can worry about imminent US bankruptcy.

Right now we have California government funded and organised rioters challenging the power of the federal government in LA. Also burning and looting random things, and assaulting random people. This is proxy civil war. If governor Newscum had his way, if the Judge had ruled that federalising the LA national guard was unconstitutional, then in the unlikely event that Trump did not jackson the judge, the federal offices in Los Angeles would have been burned to the ground.

Instead of US troops being sent to die on far away bloodstained sands that have seen thousands of years of war without anything that Americans are likely to care about changing, they are being sent to LA to fight against foreign invaders sponsored and brought in by American traitors.

Trouble is that because Trump is trying to revive a dead Republic, he is reluctant to use the kind of force that is actually required. Should have given the marines arrest power, (insurrection act) which is martial law, and authorised the use of live ammo.

Deal first with enemies, then later worry about solvency, then after that time to worry about the Republic. Musk, due to normalcy bias, is too worried about solvency, and Trump is a 1980s leftist. He believes in the Republic.

660 comments All must kiss the ring of Trump, Holy Emperor of the Ocean Lands

Karl says:

It is not the job of soldiers to arrest anybody. Soldiers can accept surrender and thereby take prisoners, but taking a prisoner of war is very different from making an arrest.

The job of soldiers is to kill and destroy. They could be used to guard property, federal and other. They don’t need arrest powers for that, but I don’t see how they can guard anything without being authorised to use live ammo.

If the soldiers sent to LA are not authorised to use live ammo, what are they supposed to do? They are certainly not sent to fight.

A2 says:

Well, there was that Australian journalist who got shot in the ass with a rubber bullet. Everyone was very indignant, lol.

Jim says:

If the Republic was still real, and law and the constitution still mattered, Trump should have summoned the National Guard through the Governor and the State of California

He did not do so, because everyone knows the riots are instigated, organised, and funded by the State of California, and the order would not have been obeyed. Instead he bypassed the state bringing out the national guard by political power, rather than legal power.

The correct constitutional power for him to act under was the insurrection act, which would give the marines the authority to make arrests and to impose martial law. But using the insurrection act would call out the State of California as in rebellion.

The Californian Government is pretending to not be in rebellion, and Trump is going along with that pretence.

Since the law and the constitution would require the governor summon the national guard, should the president find he is unable to execute the laws of the land and direct the governor to do so, then failure of Newscum to obey would put him in rebellion, making altogether unambiguous the application of the insurrection act.

The insurrection act also may be invoked if the president is unable to execute the laws of the land (which obviously was and is the case) It does not require that the governor be in on it — but it bypasses the governor and local law enforcement just in case the governor is in on it. So Trump could have invoked the Insurrection act while preserving some ambiguity, and also adhering to the law and the constitution. But instead he bypassed the constitution to help Newscum keep up as much pretence as possible.

Legally, Newscum has a case, and he went judge shopping for a friendly court. But had the court ruled in his favor, one more pretence of Republic, laws, and constitution would go under, as Trump would directly go to Insurrection act, or just continue to bypass normal chain of command through loyalists in the National Guard, Jacksoning the Judge, and very likely both.

The correct constitutional and legal mechanism is: Direct Governor Newscum to apply the national guard and restore order — Newscum fails to obey –> Insurrection act –> Martial law –> arrest governor –> install a new governor –> order out national guard.

To avoid going directly from proxy civil war to actual civil war, Trump bypassed, arguably illegally and unconstitutionally, National Guard chain of command.

Newscum had a good case, and he went judge shopping, and yet the judge ruled against him lickety spic, for the laws of the Republic and the Constitution say “Go directly to civil war without farting around”.

Newscum is trying to create a situation where Trump has to arrest him or give up on enforcing the laws of the land, Trump is trying to enforce the laws of the land without arresting Newscum, Newscum is trying to do so without openly being in rebellion, and the Judge said “Yikes, the stakes at this table are too high for me.”

Karl says:

So Trump is fishing in the Rubicon again? Sounds like a golden opportunity to imprison some enemies and take power according to the constitution.

If Trump knows the stakes, the only explanation I see for his handling of the situation is that Thermidor vetoed crossing the Rubicon and he still needs Thermidor or at least thinks he needs Thermidor

Jim says:

> Sounds like a golden opportunity to imprison some enemies and take power according to the constitution.

It was, and is, a golden opportunity. The founder’s plan, based on actual experience, was that when necessary, the president would become dictator — having experienced circumstances where it was necessary. And the laws and the constitution have this built into them, just as the Roman constitution did, as every viable constitution must. Caesar became dictator legally, having won the nearest thing to an honest election that Rome had had in a very long time. Our word “dictator” comes from an ancient provision in the Roman constitution and state religion that dates back to when written history and written law fades into myth and religion.

Of course, in a Republic with a wicked and profoundly dysfunctional elite, this door built into the constitution is likely to become permanent. But still constitutional.

The converse happens with a virtuous elite under a theoretically absolute monarch. The British King remained theoretically the supreme judge and lawgiver for a very long time, but in practice ever more encumbered by laws, judges, and parliament.

Contaminated NEET says:

Trump is 108 years old, brainwashed by TV like all his generation, and extremely conventionally successful. The Boomer’s brain has calcified into a solid lump of limestone; it’s just what happens with age and success. There is no possible way he can change his worldview enough to cross the Rubicon, so fishing is all that’s on the menu, at least until the Left takes the initiative and kills him.

alf says:

Impressive at this point how Trump keeps walking that tightrope between being an incorrigible believer in the republic and simultaneously being a symbol of hope and change.

Contaminated NEET says:

That’s only because he’s the only vessel available to pour our hopes into. Look at him without any emotional investment and it’s obvious he’s a garden variety brainwashed boomer.

Jim says:

> obvious he’s a garden variety brainwashed boomer.

Does not matter. If he rolls the state religion back to 1980s leftism, and stabilises it at 1980, or at 2008, it dies.

Leftism must get ever lefter, ever faster, as a shark must swim or drown.

The left is going crazy, because it is drowning.

The danger is that the left will find something new to be left about. Thus in events leading up to Reagan, redistribution had gone far beyond the Laffer Maximum. Reagan backed it off to the Laffer Maximum, but cheerfully went along with the destruction of marriage and family.

Right now one of the paths the left is considering is redefining itself as against capitalists and capitalism, instead of against straight white males. (While still remaining opposed to marriage and family) Could work. But as I am fond of saying, no one is short of bread, but everyone is short of sex, family, and grandchildren. So I think we have a winner in dismantling the sexual revolution, which promised pornotopia and failed to deliver. If we push on that, they will be unable to re-orient to anti-capitalism.

Marriage 1.0, womb conscription, and poofs off roofs. Which is a program far less radical than abolishing capitalism.

Observe how the left cannot help themselves when Trump pushes on boys in women’s sports and illegal immigrants wanted on criminal charges.

Mayflower Sperg says:

The danger is that the left will find something new to be left about.

Right now one of the paths the left is considering is redefining itself as against capitalists and capitalism,

Something new = 1920s Bolshevism. Death to the bourgeoisie!

I would laugh so hard if the Left tried that. It would be like re-releasing Covid, except that this time everyone’s immune, both in the biological sense and the we-won’t-be-fooled-again sense. Might appeal to white Bernie Bros, if any of them still exist.

Jim says:

> There is no possible way he can change his worldview enough to cross the Rubicon, so fishing is all that’s on the menu, at least until the Left takes the initiative and kills him.

The left did take initiative to kill him. Clearly that got his attention.

I think he has figured out that he has to rule or die. Things are getting real, and they are likely to get more real.

Recent events could reasonably be interpreted as both sides see civil war coming, and they want the other side to cop the blame for it. Certainly that is what governor Newscum is doing.

Trumps split-the-difference caution on this issue could be interpreted as not seeing civil war coming, or as trying to avoid the unavoidable, or as trying to postpone it till the other side has to cop the blame for it.

Fishing in the Rubicon was wicked, foolish, and disastrous in the months leading up to Jan 6, But today its only a few months in to his administration. He has time enough for some fishing. If civil war is coming, he needs to get all his ducks in a row for it. Every battle is won before it is fought. He has to make sure that when the time comes, the NCOs will believe that that the troons started it.

Bix Nudelmann says:

Newscum had a good case, and he went judge shopping, and yet the judge ruled against him lickety spic, for the laws of the Republic and the Constitution say “Go directly to civil war without farting around”.

A little more elaboration on this point, please. What if the judge had NOT ruled against Newsom? What would have been the legal/logical chain then?

S says:

The next logical step if the judge ruled for Newsom would be Trump invoking the Insurrection Act.

Pax Imperialis says:

Discussions groups and classes were being held by higher ups reminding junior officers about their constitutional duty and obedience to orders in such a way that suggested they were moving towards pulling the trigger on insurrection act.

I can’t easily explain how disappointed a number of my buddies are.

Jim says:

Which logical step, the insurrection act, would, under the circumstances, imply a presidential finding that Newscum is in insurrection. Which he obviously would be, since he is constitutionally required under the circumstances to obey the presidential order to activate the national guard. Newscum clearly wants such a presidential finding, while piously proclaiming he is not in insurrection, and a judge in a friendly leftist cherry picked jurisdiction did not want such a finding, so ruled against the left even though they had a pretty good case.

He wants to launch the tiger at his enemies while disowning the tiger. I suspect the tiger would not like that.

Jim says:

Well then that depends on Trump.

Trump could Jackson the judge. He would more likely soft Jackson the judge, saying he is going through Newscum while in fact continuing to ignore the chain of command specified in the constitution. In which case nothing much changes. We have no Jacksons yet, but already have a lot of soft Jacksons, where the Administration says they are obeying the judge, and are just not obeying the judge.

Or Trump could follow the law and constitution to the letter, as Newscum demanded, in which case he issues an order to Newscum under his article two powers in the event of inability to enforce federal law, Newscum does not obey, Trump grants himself martial law powers under the finding, that he has already made, that he is unable to enforce the laws of the land in the state of California, and then arrests Newscum, on the finding that the constitution requires him to obey the president in this matter, and Newscum did not, appoints an acting governor, who then orders out the National Guard.

And the judge evidently soiled his diapers when thinking about that outcome

Ron says:

Or the judge was shown a video.

notglowing says:

Newsom is between a rock and a hard place.
He doesn’t really want to give in to the most radical left elements, as he’s trying to cultivate the image of being a moderate of sorts.

But he cannot look like he did nothing to stop Trump, because he still has to answer to democrats.
Suing Trump, and a judge ruling against him, gives him an easy out. His hands are tied, it’s Trump’s or the judge’s fault.

This isn’t a bad outcome for Newsom given the situation. Perhaps it’s what he wanted.

Jim says:

What Newscum wanted was to get arrested.

This would give him control of the radicals, control enough, he imagined, to piss all over their agenda.

If he wanted a ruling against him, would not have gone forum shopping.

But forcing Trump to arrest him is a big step to civil war, which the radicals want. And may well get. He is trying to present himself as moderate, while at the same time giving the radicals the civil war they want.

Bix Nudelmann says:

What Newscum wanted was to get arrested.

This would give him control of the radicals, control enough, he imagined, to piss all over their agenda.

He is trying to present himself as moderate, while at the same time giving the radicals the civil war they want.

I don’t follow you yet here. (Not calling you wrong or stupid. You’ve just overestimated my intelligence again.)

If Newsom were in jail for even a week, I’d presume that La Revolucion would just steam leftward right past wherever he had been standing when the Marines showed up to take him away. So whenever he got out, he’d be yesterday’s news.

There must be good parallels to draw from various moments in the French/Russian/Nazi/Cambodian revolutions, and if any come to mind, please share.

There must have been “establishment left moderates” back then too, who jumped out in front (to save themselves?) and tried to calm down the radicals and divert their reasonable elite support to themselves. But I believe they got ran over or routed around (but with exceptions?).

(I recall a scene in Cabaret where someone observes a Nazi march from a taxi and tells his friend, effectively, to not worry, because they’re just silly rubes larping, and the smart establishment people in charge of the money and government would divert them to a place where they could blow off their steam safely.)

Is this the Kerensky/Menshevik story?

How about King Sihanouk going along with the Khmer Rouge but then being immediately sidelined and forgotten (but not murdered, which was nice of them)?

Didn’t Hindenburg try a similar move to calm down and divert the Nazi radicals?

I mean shit, when HAS this worked?

Jim says:

> If Newsom were in jail for even a week, I’d presume that La Revolucion would just steam leftward right past wherever he had been standing when the Marines showed up to take him away. So whenever he got out, he’d be yesterday’s news.

Exactly so, but he believes he can ride the tiger.

The tiger is going to eat him.

> (I recall a scene in Cabaret where someone observes a Nazi march from a taxi and tells his friend, effectively, to not worry, because they’re just silly rubes larping, and the smart establishment people in charge of the money and government would divert them to a place where they could blow off their steam safely.)

This scene accurately describes what the vicious, corrupt, decadent, and depraved Weimar elite believed. And probably accurately describes what Newscum believes about the Democratic party.

And it is also what Thermidor thinks about Maga. We shall see if they are right. I doubt it. History tells us that in the end, Maga will fight it out with the troons and their illegal immigrant army, and both Newscum and Thermidor are going to get flattened in the middle.

yewotm8 says:

Talk of Musk being President is ridiculous. The man has nowhere near the emotional temperament to hold such a position. He’s smart enough to know that he needs somebody to control his sperg outs already as merely head of DOGE and CEO of many great companies, yet either does not have one or does not listen to him.

Or maybe it’s just a drug problem as many have noted.

Mossadnik says:

I agree. That’s also why the Catholic and Orthodox posters here need not worry about me being the Antichrist – I’m an emotionally unstable, heavily-tattooed ketamine-fiend, and the Jews will never crown me their King as I sit in the Temple and all that; nor would I want them to do such a thing.

You can breathe a sigh of relief, fellas.

Hesiod says:

The DNC just kicked out David Hogg due to his diversity deficit. It’s not enough being a pajama boy these days if you’re white:

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1932925299110314481

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

The word I’ve been hearing is that he ruffled a lot of feathers by trying to accuse a lot of sitting apparatchiks in the underlord class of insuficient leftism, declaring that he will have them purged in his capacity as undersecretary of the party.

You’re not supposed to do that until you’ve already acquired decisive power of course, and you don’t just up and announce it either.

Hesiod says:

Hogg reiterates that in his parting shots on X:

“After seeing a serious lack of vision from Democratic leaders, too many of them asleep at the wheel, and Democrats dying in office that have helped to hand Republicans an expanded majority, it became clear that Leaders We Deserve had to start primarying incumbents and directly challenging the culture of seniority politics that brought our party to this place to help get our party into fighting shape again.”

Hesiod says:

Ah, the final stray appears to be sticking his nose into the race to replace the late Rep. Connolly, 11th district of Virginia. The folks of Fairfax didn’t much care for that.

The Gasman says:

Deportations out, war with Iran in!
>fell for it again award

S says:

I’m going to stick by the ‘wait 2 weeks’, but it certainly looks like it.

Trump says he will only let the camels nose in the tent. (illegals working farms and hotels)
Israel bombing Iran.

I guess the silver lining for the latter is the US isn’t involved. Still always time for that- lets see ‘nothing ever happens’ collide with the blackpill!

The Cominator says:

On immigration I basically trust Trump where Trump failed disastorously was in 2020 cucking to the covid shit and then only fishing in the Rubicon.

Jim says:

Trump says he will get around to illegals working farms and hotels. But he has a confrontation on deportation, and this confrontation is getting rather close to civil war — would have been civil war if Newscum could have plausibly framed Trump as starting it.

And while this confrontation remains to be dealt with, Trump is right to postpone farmhands and all that, just as he is right to postpone dealing with the deficit. I doubt the deficit is fixable until after tanks in Harvard.

ayyylmao says:

In a week or two we’ll be reflecting upon the eternal truth that ever happens.

ayyylmao says:

In a week or two we’ll be reflecting upon the eternal truth that nothing ever happens.

dharmicreality says:

Re: the discussion on “normies” and whether they matter or not.

Here’s my take on this. I look at this from the varnashrama angle, which means, society is divided into priests, warriors, merchants and proles. And the only varnas capable of memetic sovereignity and ruling are priests and warriors.

When Jim or others here say “normies don’t matter” it doesn’t mean that normies are incapable of thinking for themselves or otherwise having an opinion. It means proles, unlike warriors and priests are incapable of memetic sovereignity, meaning that they are incapable of forming any meaningful or effective counter-religion to oppose the prevailing state religion.

This doesn’t mean that proles are incapable of dissent. Of course they are. But unlike other priestly dissent which is dangerous to a ruling priesthood, proles usually dissent within the frame of the existing state religion. Meaning that when something extremely distasteful is passed down as official truth, like say tranny worship, their can feel in their blood it is wrong but cannot say why. So they will either, depending on individual temperament (a) go along unwillingly with the farce but remain greengrocers, (b) express dissent by sullen silence/indifference or (c) otherwise try to find some loophole within the existing state religion to carve out some personal exceptions to the rule.

Note that I am talking about proles, who cannot be “true believers”. Even a prole who accepts the official state religion willingly is not a true believer, he has simply bought into the farce. Once a person becomes a true believer, he transforms from a prole to a priest.

The prole/”normie” dissent usually takes the form of “democrats are the real racists”, or “I oppose illegal immigration but support meritorous immigrants who are willing to assimilate in our society” tier opposition, meaning that their framing will be within the official state religion and never challenge it from the outside.

The management of prole dissent by the ruling priesthood in modern democracies always takes the form of the “outer party” as Jim calls it. It is always the outer party that shapes prole dissent which is always within the limits of the official state religion.

Unless proles are offered an alternate state religion, they are absolutely incapable of expressing effective opposition to the ruling state religion, let alone organize any kind of rebellion against it.

suones says:

Nitpicks:

Priests have memetic sovereignty but are incapable of ruling. Rare exceptions (warrior-priests/paladins) prove the rule. Priestly attempts at ruling are bound to end disastrously.

Warriors are naturally capable of ruling but are not memetically sovereign, vulnerable to get corrupted by evil Wormtongues. Rare exceptions (God-Kings) are exceptionally rare for a reason.

Merchants have neither memetic sovereignty nor can rule. They’re like choroplasts — incapable of living alone but absolutely essential for producing the grist that everyone else eats. If your merchants die, no amount of priests or warriors will save you.

Shudras/proles have the same limitation as merchants, with the added problem of having no natural talent at production or trade. However, they reproduce fast, provide labour, and can be made into strong, intensely loyal soldiers, which is their real strength.

Ideal combination: Sri Samrat Changragupta Maurya as Warrior King, Sri Acharya Vishnugupta Chanakya as Rajguru/High Priest, Patliputra Merchants Guild to supply unlimited funds, and essentially unlimited Shudras attracted to honour, wealth and glory willing to fight for it. This was the combination that wiped the floor with Greek Seleucids.

dharmicreality says:

Yes, I should have qualified that.

Warriors are strongly capable rulers, but weak at memetic sovereignity, though they can uphold the law if necessary. Obviously need a state religion otherwise, such rule will not last for the ages and will end up getting subverted by hostile priests.

Priests can rule but are very sub-optimal rulers, as demostrated in various theocracies and modern democracies, and, as you suggest their rule will inevitably end up with bad consequences.

Your scenario is the ideal. Chanakya the virtuous as High Priest guiding a strong and capable Chandragupta.

Jim says:

Yes, history and the old Testament tells us Kings should not be high priests, and should not muck with the priesthood except when really
necessary. But sometimes it is really necessary

TheDividualist says:

Proles are capable of one thing, a formless, thoughtless expression of generic anger that demands heads on top of spikes. Storming the Bastille.

It achieves nothing in itself, but it is a volcano-like energy priests or warriors can harness.

Anon says:

The swerving is just insane. We just was talking about la and civil war, now it is all war with Iran .
Dose Thermidor want to distract from internal war by external war ? Trump might go with it , if he thought that will stop civil war or at least postpone it .

Mossadnik says:

As Sun Tzu famously wrote in the Art of War (chapter 1):

18. All warfare is based on deception.

19. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.

As a subversive and outright eBul MOSSAD AGENT, that’s all I’ll say about this topic.

Mossadnik says:

BING BONG BOOOONG HAHAHAHA

The Gasman says:

Sneak attacking civilian apartment buildings in the middle of the night is crazy, bro. I don’t remember the japs doing that at pearl harbor, though there were some cultural misunderstandings about the roles of medics and firefighters. Boy it’s sure going to be against international norms when shoes start getting piled up again, and it’s all thanks to jew.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Sneak attacking civilian apartment buildings in the middle of the night is crazy, bro.

Yeah, that kind of thing would never happen in America. 🙃

*cough*dawn raids*cough*

Mossadnik says:

While many Jews should indeed huff gas, I’ve been noticing some gay subversion lately employing oy-vey antisemitism, and I’d like to provide an easy translation from faggotese to non-subverted language to dismantle the plot.

***

“Haha, you worship a Jewish Rabbi” = I’m pissed off at Leviticus calling out my sexual perversion for what it is.

“Christianity is a sinister Jewish conspiracy against the Gentiles” = I’m pissed off at Leviticus calling out my sexual perversion for what it is.

“Jews actually love Christianity because they hate Paganism” = I’m pissed off at Leviticus calling out my sexual perversion for what it is.

“Who cares what some desert primitives wrote millennia ago lololol?” = I’m pissed off at Leviticus calling out my sexual perversion for what it is.

“I don’t just oppose Christianity, but Islam too, both are foreign Semitic religions” = I’m pissed off at Leviticus calling out my sexual perversion for what it is.

“The Abrahamic religions ruined the whole world!” = I’m pissed off at Leviticus calling out my sexual perversion for what it is.

“Okay, perhaps Christianity worked well in the past, but now it’s time for us to move on” = I’m pissed off at Leviticus calling out my sexual perversion for what it is.

“Christianity is just totally incompatible with the true Aryan spirit” = I’m pissed off at Leviticus calling out my sexual perversion for what it is.

“Christianity is backwards Jewish superstition holding us back from making scientific progress” = I’m pissed off at Leviticus calling out my sexual perversion for what it is.

“Actually, without Christianity we would have conquered the stars already” = I’m pissed off at Leviticus calling out my sexual perversion for what it is.

“Christianity is anti-aesthetic, we need to discard ugly Christian aesthetics ugh!” = I’m pissed off at Leviticus calling out my sexual perversion for what it is.

“Semitic religions enshrine Jewish supremacy!” = I’m pissed off at Leviticus calling out my sexual perversion for what it is.

***

Poofs off roofs.

Oog en Hand says:

Like Alex Karp.

TheDividualist says:

I think in the big and rather stormy alliance of the various kinds of enemies of civilization, faggots prolly play a small part. I see them as enemies, but not really the most powerful or important ones. Their numbers are small and their various defects sabotage their bids for power. Remember the ridiculous Troon Biden employed, sec of health or whatever. Not even their leftist allies take such a clowns bid for power seriously. They are tools.

No, the truly dangerous enemy is the one who looks normal on the surface – something like Tim Walz.

Clowns like troons or faggy fags are mere tools with very limited influence.

The Cominator says:

“Faggots play a minor part”
Explain the Catholic Church and the Jesuits then. Explain why happenings in Washington District of Corruption can be predicted not just by lots of pizza orders but also by the gay bars emptying. Poofs off roofs.

Mossadnik says:

No, the truly dangerous enemy is the one who looks normal on the surface – something like Tim Walz.

The problem I’m kvetching about is exactly this – faggots wearing a normal human mask while spreading subversive ideas/memes within a priesthood.

Look at what happened to the Roman Catholic Church (a long, long time ago); this can happen to basically any priesthood that doesn’t explicitly select against them and their inherently anti-heterosexual, anti-natal thought-forms, which are ever changing as they attempt to sneak in ideas inimincal to healthy social technology.

I too do not consider them to be civilization’s Worst Enemy or Final Boss or anything, but they are not a minor problem in my view either, precisely because of the ability of some of them to act as chameleons while they infect priesthoods with ideas that disrupt the male-female cooperate-cooperate equilibrium.

It would be best if they were not born/created in the first place, and I believe that once we figure out what exactly is causing the disease, should biologically neutralize it.

Jim says:

> Not even their leftist allies take such a clowns bid for power seriously. They are tools.

If merely tools, the left would not dying on the hill of boys in girl’s sports.

The problem is that gays are really good at conspiring. The plot together in a great big pile of naked gays.

That is why you need a straight married purchasing officer, and straight married Christian accountants and book keepers.

@Jim

>The problem is that gays are really good at conspiring. The plot together in a great big pile of naked gays.

True, all true, 100 years ago in Budapest, it was entirely illegal, and yet some public bath houses had “all male nudist nights”. Everybody knew what’s up and nothing was done.

Cloudswrest says:

Mel Brooks nails it! Skip to 1:22.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1933278488192299331

Luiz says:
Jim says:

Yawn. Israel is bombing Iran. And very shortly Iran will be bombing Israel. In other breaking news, bears shit in the woods and the Pope worships demons.

Since this interrupted Trump’s peace negotiations with Iran, he now has all the excuse he needs for sitting back and ignoring the problem.

The bloodstained sands of the middle east continue to get blood spilled on them. In other breaking Middle Eastern news it tends to be hot dry and sandy.

Hesiod says:

Well, at least it gives the Jews an excuse to continue to cancel their pride parades:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/tel-aviv-confirms-todays-pride-parade-canceled/

According to the article, this was to be the first since Oct 7th.

Mossadnik says:

Still not a based country.

We will be a based country when Israeli scientists, likely helped by the Awesome and Mighty and Mischievous AI Demon, find a biological cure for homosexuality.

Then we will indeed be your Best Ally Ever.

white bread says:

>Since this interrupted Trump’s peace negotiations with Iran, he now has all the excuse he needs for sitting back and ignoring the problem.

You mean, he has the excuse to nuke Iran, just like his jew masters are ordering him to?

Jim says:

On the one hand, America is apt to defend Israel, which it has no business doing. On the other hand, America is apt to prevent Israel from defending itself, which it has no business to do either. Amd the Israeil Supreme court is in pocket of Harvard and Washington Democrats. I am surprised that they did not rule moving the US embassy to Jerusalem illegal. Perhaps they would have been ignored had they done so. They are already on very thin ice.

Reports of Iranian attacks on American facilities are obviously fabrications or false flag attacks — the Iranians would not attack first when they already have enough on their plate.

Trump 1.0 did not drag us into any foreign wars. Trump 2.0 is even less likely to, but the Pentagon is trying to drag Trump.

white bread says:

> On the other hand, America is apt to prevent Israel from defending itself, which it has no business to do either. Amd the Israeil Supreme court is in pocket of Harvard and Washington

So you are trying to portrait the genocidal jews as poor victims who might be “prevented” from exercising their g’d given righ to genocide?

>Trump 1.0 did not drag us into any foreign wars. Trump 2.0 is even less likely to, but the Pentagon is trying to drag Trump.

Back to reality, Trump is responsible for US foreign policy, and that foreing policy is an obvious disaster when seen from the point of view of decent people. Though of course that same foreign policy is great when seen from the point of views of jews and other neocons (who are not people).

>Trump 2.0 is even less likely to

It is pretty obvious that the current foreing policy of Trump and accomplices is a lot worse than it was in 2016-2020.

Jim says:

> > On the other hand, America is apt to prevent Israel from defending itself, which it has no business to do either. Amd the Israeil Supreme court is in pocket of Harvard and Washington

> So you are trying to portrait the genocidal jews as poor victims who might be “prevented” from exercising their g’d given righ to genocide?

Everyone in the Middle East has good grounds for committing genocide against most other groups in the Middle East. Not our problem, not our business. It is Russia’s problem, because their warm water access is through the Middle East.

> It is pretty obvious that the current foreing policy of Trump and accomplices is a lot worse than it was in 2016-2020.

Nuts

white bread says:

>Nuts.

Exactly. Being detached from reality is the definiton of lunacy. So back to reality again, the US is ruled by AIPAC, and Trump is a willingly accomplice of AIPAC – the jews who rule the US.

>Not our problem, not our business.

But you, US criminals, are the only reason the jews do whatever they want. So yes, it’s all your business.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n2dVgTrbM8
COL. Douglas Macgregor

“…you find out that netanyahoo controls more senators and more congressmen than president Trump does…well I think that about sums it up”

“Trump reserves all of his anger and spleen for really two people. One is Senator Rand Paul in Kentucky and the other is Thomas Massie from Kentucky. So, I imagine the anti-Semitic task force will descend on Kentucky in the near future and begin mass arrests.”

white bread says:

Here, more reality. War criminal trump taking “credit” for his attack on Iran

minute 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAi0uFQY_r8

“Trump tells ABC Israel strikes on Iran ‘excellent’ and warns ‘more to come'”
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-tells-abc-israel-strikes-iran-excellent-warns/story?id=122807155

Et cetera. So yeah. There’s a difference between reality and your crude propaganda.

Jim says:

I don’t care about blood on desert sands far away, the blood of unpleasant people spilled by other unpleasant people. Why do you care? We are getting mighty close to civil war in the US, and are still close to nuclear war with Russia though Trump is backing away from that, while flailing not very effectually against European efforts to drag us into it — the terror attack inside Russia appears to have been performed by British intelligence.

And our enemies in this imminent civil war support the same unpleasant people as you support.

It is regrettable that kikes are killing sandniggers. And regrettable that sandniggers are killing kikes. But this is not our problem, nor is it our fault.

white bread says:

>I don’t care about blood on desert sands far away,

Your feelings do not matter here. Your feelings do not affect the facts of Trump’s foreign policy.

>We are getting mighty close to civil war in the US,

And yet Trump has no problem executing neocon foreign policy. He’s busy doing what the jews tell him to do.

> are still close to nuclear war with Russia

Indeed. And whose fault is that.

>though Trump is backing away from that

Of course he is not>. Trump is the commander of the US military and responsible for the attacks against Russia, including the latest attempt to kill Putin less than a month ago.

>while flailing not very effectually against European efforts to drag us into it

That is a lie. The eurotards have no interest in a war with Russia. The european governments on the other hand are doing exactly what the US government tells them to do. The european governments are proxies for Trump’s foreign policy.

>And our enemies in this imminent civil war support the same unpleasant people as you support

I was about to call that another lie, but actually I don’t even know which people you are referring to. I don’t support your jews commiting crimes against humanity, that’s all.

>It is regrettable that kikes are killing sandniggers.

It’s not the jews by themselves though. They have Trump’s full support.

Trump is also responsible for the war against Russia and responsible for the commercial war against China. He is of course responsible for all of the US foreing policy which is nothing but naked aggresion.

Also, Trump’s criminal modus operandi is pretty clear by now. He randomly spews “non-interventionist” nonsense while bombing everyone.

Jim says:

> > I don’t care about blood on desert sands far away,

> Your feelings do not matter here. Your feelings do not affect the facts of Trump’s foreign policy.

Neocon foreign policy in the Ukraine is likely to lead to nuclear war between great powers.

Neocon foreign policy in the Middle East could at worst lead to unpleasant people far away nuking other unpleasant people far away, but probably will not.

I don’t care about the Middle East. Why do you care about the Middle East?

The US spends vastly more on the Ukraine, and gives the Ukraine vastly more weapons than Israel. Does anyone anywhere doubt that the Ukraine is a client state?

Jim says:

> The eurotards have no interest in a war with Russia. The european governments on the other hand are doing exactly what the US government tells them to do.

We are seeing vehement complaints from the Eurotards that the US is too warm towards Russia. Trump is having enough difficult exercising control within the US. Europe is Global American Empire in exile.

The “US government” is not a unitary entity — it lacks cohesion and is pursuing rather too many contradictory policies. You attribute the most extreme policies to Trump, which is obviously false — the Deep State itself is far from united on policy.

And you attribute these policies to Israel, of whom Trump is supposedly a servant. If Israel, why has the Deep State been funding and arming Hamas terrorism all this time? The Deep State has been propping up, at great expense, both sides in each of its beloved Middle Eastern frozen conflicts. Israel and Hamas and Iran.

white bread says:

>Neocon foreign policy in the Ukraine is likely to lead to nuclear war between great powers.

Yes, I think we are well aware of that fact. And neocon policy is Trump’s policy.

>Neocon foreign policy in the Middle East…

…is an obvious part of neocon policy – sorry about stating a truism, but it seems it needs to be done. And maybe you didn’t get this memo either. Iran and Russia are allies. Iran is a big country and so an important Russian ally. And so your pretense that the middle east is somehow irrelevant is just that – pretense.

>I don’t care about the Middle East. Why do you care about the Middle East?

Because I want your fucking empire gone. Line any other decent person. Why do you keep accusing me of denouncing your GAE? Why are you desperately trying to ignore the actions of Trump’s government in the middle east.

>The US spends vastly more on the Ukraine, and gives the Ukraine vastly more weapons than Israel.

Even if that were true (doubtful), it’s completely irrelevant. The jews get all the weapons they need. So why do you keep making excuses for the jews.

>Does anyone anywhere doubt that the Ukraine is a client state?

There is a faction in ukraine that work as US mercenaries. Exactly like the jews do in israel except that the pro-US faction in israel is virtually the whole country. They are not poor innocent victims being “manipulated”. They are accomplices. So what do you think you accomplish by calling them “client states”.

>We are seeing vehement complaints from the Eurotards that the US is too warm towards Russia.

Ridiculous. We are seeing vehement complaints from eurotard policitians on the CIA payroll. Hell maybe you already forgot this, but Nordstream was built by the german government. So there is even a portion of european politicians who are not fully on the CIA’s side, although they regretfully keep their mouths shut.

>You attribute the most extreme policies to Trump, which is obviously false

Trump is the supreme civilian authority and military commander. What the pentagon does is his resposibility. If he didn’t want the responsibility he should have stayed at home instead of getting the job.

>And you attribute these policies to Israel, of whom Trump is supposedly a servant

“[Trump] owes his office, his position, his influence, to the enormous support of the israel lobby and the jewish diaspora which has funded it.” – Douglas Macgregor.

>America should cut all its client states beyond the Oceans loose.

Funny how you keep saying that while pretending that the US has no “influence” over these alleged “client states”.

Jim says:

> And neocon policy is Trump’s policy.

We see neocons going into fits about Trump’s policy. He is pursuing a wobbly course that appeases some of the (severely divided) neocons, but not others.

Mossadnik says:

War criminal trump

After the Abraham Accords expand to include Saudi Arabia, possibly Syria, and/or some others in the region, the God-Emperor will likely become a Nobel Peace Prize laureate.

For more prognostication, check your pager.

white bread says:

Oh and yes, another laughable detail. Virtually half of all</b comments on this fine blog come from a single joo using a single nick. And the number is even higher if we add all the sockpuppets of said joo. And then, there’s a whole bunch of joo sympathizers, like, for instance “the cominator”

“Com… are you a brotha?”

https://blog.reaction.la/faith/another-pastoral-pope-coming-up#comment-2976739

The Cominator says:

Don’t @ me bro I don’t want to talk to you.

white bread says:

This isn’t twatter and I don’t lower myself to addressing you, though I’ll make one exception. Go suck some more jew cock “bro”.

Mossadnik says:

And the number is even higher if we add all the sockpuppets of said joo.

I haven’t run any sockpuppets since about the beginning of this year; “when I became a man, I put away childish things” (1 Corinthians 13:11).

Daddy Scarebucks says:

the US is ruled by AIPAC

Every so often it seems like you might be starting to listen, and to think for yourself. But then you come back a few days later and post something even more garishly insane. It’s kind of sad, really.

I can only assume you’re marinating in an ocean of confirmation bias, slavishly reading the Jew-obsessed halfwits who write for the likes of Unz or OO, such that any fledgling doubts forming in your mind get quickly papered over with insipid hooting and slogans. And as a result you can’t grasp simple nuances, like the difference between “Neocons and Israeli lobbyists are a negative influence on U.S. foreign policy” and “America is LITERALLY RULED BY AIPAC”.

It’s as Jim says, and Moldbug said 20 years earlier: America has a thoroughly two-faced relationship with Israel, on the one hand offering military “help” against her Islamic neighbors and on the other hand giving them a constant migraine with color revolutions, gay pride parades and the usual spiderweb of NGOs, all serving to weaken or compromise her ability to wage independent warfare or even basic realpolitik.

These are self-evidently the actions of a Machiavellian actor manipulating Israel to use as a middle-east foothold, not the other way around. Granted, Israel seems to be getting mighty tired of being America’s anti-Russian puppet, for obvious reasons, but that’s still the situation. If Israel stops holding gay pride parades and starts throwing poofs off roofs, as the Old Testament commands, and America is still ramming its dick between the kikes and sandniggers, then we can allow for some ambiguity over who be the puppet and who be the puppeteer.

white bread says:

>Every so often it seems like you might be starting to listen, and to think for yourself.

Either I listen to your nonsense, or I think for myself. Those are mutually exclusive options.

Now, there’s a name for people who think for themselves : freethinkers. And you can rest assured that freethinking and jew christian monarchy are polar opposites.

>America has a thoroughly two-faced relationship with Israel, on the one hand offering military “help”

Why would you put the word help in scare quotes as if the US didn’t actually give insane amounts of resources to the jews.

>on the other hand giving them a constant migraine with color revolutions, gay pride parades and the usual spiderweb of NGOs

What – the hell are you talking about. You have to be out of your mind or the crudest jew propagandist to ignore the fact that the US has been propping up the jews in the middle east since the fake state of isreal was made up.

>These are self-evidently the actions of a Machiavellian actor manipulating Israel

Yep, the poor jews are innocent victims being manipulated. That’s the self-evident conclusion of free-thinking.

> Israel seems to be getting mighty tired of being America’s anti-Russian puppet

Anti Russian? …is that a typo? Or you hit your head? Or what.

So, like I said, half the comments on this blog come straight out from the mossad or fellow travelers.

Jim says:

> > America has a thoroughly two-faced relationship with Israel, on the one hand offering military “help”

> Why would you put the word help in scare quotes as if the US didn’t actually give insane amounts of resources to the jews.

Because American help is profoundly unhelpful. And Israel has received rather less help that Ukraine, and you may recall Trump complaining that all these client states are an expensive burden on the US.

Israel is yet another client state. Like every other client state, it has an army of lobbyists and influencers, and they succeed in exercising alarmingly great influence. But still a client state.

Israel asked Biden for permission to do this attack. This was after Trump was elected, but before he took office. Biden told them to go ask Trump. Obviously Trump said no.

Well, finally they attacked. We are hearing from Washington that this attack was unilateral. Allegedly they did not ask permission. People are disinclined to believe this. It is likely that they have been asking permission all this time, and Trump finally said “OK”. On the other hand, it is entirely possible that the Deep state said “OK” and Trump said “What?”, or Trump said “OK” and the Deep State said “What?”

This is Israel attacking Iran, possibly without US permission, possibly with US permission, possibly with permission from one US faction and not another.

This is not America attacking Iran.

America should cut all its client states beyond the Oceans loose.

The Cominator says:

“Every so often it seems like you might be starting to listen, and to think for yourself.”
No it doesn’t. Hes pure noise and is never anything else.

S says:

“What – the hell are you talking about. You have to be out of your mind or the crudest jew propagandist to ignore the fact that the US has been propping up the jews in the middle east since the fake state of isreal was made up.”

https://www.axios.com/2023/11/04/us-israel-aid-military-funding-chart
US military aid starts in 1962, large scale aid in 1971.

“Yep, the poor jews are innocent victims being manipulated. That’s the self-evident conclusion of free-thinking.”

Consider South Korea. The US goes further with large scale troop deployments. South Korea also inexplicably has one of the lowest TFRs on the planet. There is no amount of anything worth trading for the opportunity of being exterminated, but that is the ‘deal’ American vassals get.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

the fake state of isreal

This is usually about the time I start to tune out. This isn’t the Nazi line, it isn’t even the fednat line, it’s the Islamist line – “from the river to the sea, Palestine must be free” or however that stupid chant goes.

What, precisely, is “fake” about the state of Israel? Is it the “Israel” part that’s fake, do you assert that the geographical area has no historical ties to the biblical state? Or that the Jewish tribes living there are not direct descendants? Or is it the “state” part that’s fake, by which you presumably mean illegitimate for some reason, and if so… what reason exactly? What makes a state, a state, and in what sense does Israel lack it?

I assert that they’re largely a puppet state (or client state) of America, which does indeed make a lot of it “fake”, from a certain point of view, but that is precisely the fakeness you deny exists; you assure us that they are 100% completely sovereign and acting in their own interests, and that all Jews in America think of Israel as their homeland in the same sense that Han in America think of China as their homeland, and America bends over to serve their whims. So how, then, are they fake? Is this some “stolen land” bullshit, and if so, then are Americans and Australians required to abdicate everything they own to the abos?

If a state is not defined by its people, or its military might, or its relationship with other states, or the stability of its government, or historical ties to the land… then just what is it defined by?

white bread says:

>it’s the Islamist line

Oh yes, and listen to the words of my prophet al-macgregor.

“[Trump] owes his office, his position, his influence, to the enormous support of the israel lobby and the jewish diaspora which has funded it.”

I belong to Macgregor’s terrorist islamist cell and we are just about to behead you.

>I assert that they’re largely a puppet state (or client state) of America

Yes, I’ve seen that baseless claim once or twice I think. Those poor jews, always a victim.

As to your previous ridiculous claim about joo unz :

unz.com is an “antisemitic” site run by a jew. If that wasn’t enough of a red flag, unz himself is a fanatical advocate of “vaccines” who parrots covaids propaganda to a tee and hates “anti-vaxxers” with a passion.

All that said, unz partially tells the truth about israel which is why the likes of you don’t like unz. Whether unz partially tells the truth about jews because he has some shred of moral sense, or because he realizes he needs to do it to run a convincing honeypot, is an open and mostly irrelevant question. The facts about jews and their fake country remain.

And needless to say, I don’t learn my “antisemitism” fron a jew like unz. Or anybody else. I think for myself.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Washington loves to start conflicts, and hates to see them finished. They’ll prod you with support to attack your neighbors one day, then start bombing you themselves if you look like you’ll actually succeed the next. They deliver ‘aid’ in one hand, and demonic subversion in the other.

The eternal whig loves chaos, not order. He will sow the killing fields in the name of demotism, and stop anyone from putting a stop to the killing fields, also in the name of demotism.

They want to use (you) as a patsy for destroying the old order in or around your lands because the previous incumbents had the mandate of heaven; and if you ever start assuming the mandate of heaven yourself, then you are next on the chopping block.

Washington material always comes with washington strings attached. Countries like France, Russia, or China would sell to basically anyone who can front the cash. Washington doesn’t sell equipment to anyone unless the people they’re selling too will serve their purposes, ideologically align themselves with whatever are the latest political fashions in the imperial center. In other words, sales are dependent on paying homage and or converting to the religion.

And when the religion is gnostic demotism, getting into bed with the devils is apt to be the last mistake a people will make before they disappear from the stage of history.

As a heretofore dominant hegemon with a totalizing ideology, it does not relate to other parties as peers, only threats or subjects. All ‘assistance’ is contingent on subordinating their interests to washington first. If they are willing to sell to you, it is because they are intending to start some trouble and use you as a sacrificial asset for that trouble. And no take-backsies either. Not playing along with the role of disposable asset means they’ll dispose of you themselves instead. Whether it’s the cliffs in front of you, or the ‘friendly’ bayonets behind you, people who deal with Washington have a remarkably consistent tendency of ending up dead, one way or another.

Basically, if you want to live to a comfortable retirement after a long and successful career in ‘security services’, don’t deal with anyone who graduated from Gerorgetown or Harvard law school.

The big problem for Real Israelis, or Israel as a phenomena, is that this venn-diagram is more like a perfect circle than anywhere else on earth.

Jim says:

> Washington loves to start conflicts, and hates to see them finished. They’ll prod you with support to attack your neighbors one day, then start bombing you themselves if you look like you’ll actually succeed the next.

The deep state loves frozen conflicts, because it gives them tremendous leverage over both participants in the conflict.

The big important world conflict today is centered in the Ukraine — the US is demanding that Russia accepts a frozen conflict, and Russia refuses to accept a frozen conflict, because when the US had its frozen conflict, it used the resulting leverage over Russia to attempt to dismantle Russia and suppress the Russian identity. Russia wants an actual peace settlement, and the Global American Empire wants a frozen conflict, and does not much care where in the Ukraine it is frozen. It is perfectly happy to have its frozen conflict with Russian troops occupying all of the Ukraine.

And if, as is looking increasingly likely, Russia occupies all of the Ukraine, Russia is going to demand a peace treaty in which it does not occupy all of the Ukraine, and the US and Europe is likely to refuse, offering a frozen conflict with Russian occupation of all of the Ukraine instead, whereupon the war will continue, now in Poland and Lithuania. And, very possibly, with Russian strikes against England.

The Global American Empire never wanted to win the Ukraine war. It wants a lever that can be applied from time to time to keep Russia in line.

Similarly, Iran has been “about to have nuclear weapons” for thirty years. The US likes it that way.

Kevin C. says:

Newsom already declaring victory over Trump:

https://x.com/GavinNewsom/status/1933224145300635685

saying that the “farms and hotels” comment represents Trump caving to the (his) rioters, so keep it up.

Add in (Clinton appointee) SF Judge Breyer ordering Trump to return Guard to Newsom, even more than Newsom asked for (from NYT https://archive.is/BHWC):

Judge Breyer’s ruling on the National Guard went beyond what California had asked for. While the state’s lawsuit had contended that Mr. Trump’s mobilization of the National Guard was illegal, its specific motion was for a temporary restraining order limiting military forces under federal control to guarding federal buildings in the city and no other law enforcement tasks.

Judge Breyer blocked Mr. Trump from using California’s National Guard at all.

And also:

Through the first hour of court proceedings, Mr. Breyer, sporting a light-blue bow-tie, seemed skeptical of the Trump administration’s arguments. He interrupted the Justice Department’s lawyer repeatedly and at one point waved a small copy of the Constitution in the air. Some of his pointed replies drew laughs from the packed courtroom of more than 100 people.

Add in that Israel is definitely trying to get US roped into war with Iran right now.

But then, in that NYT, there’s also this (from right after the 1st quote):

But he also rejected a request by the state and Governor Newsom to restrain a separate group of active-duty Marines, which the administration has also mobilized to counter the protesters.

which I find interesting in that it implies that maybe the likes of Breyer want Trump to try to order in the troops, particularly in the context of this (Jewish outlet) Tablet piece, arguing the left has been gaming out this scenario for awhile:
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/fire-this-time-military-trump-presidency

Plans to destabilize the second Trump term have been in the works for at least a year and a half. In January 2024, NBC News reported that activists, like McCord, and institutions, like Democracy Forward, led by Elias, were preparing for the possibility that Trump would be reelected, focusing in particular on the sort of unlawful orders he might issue at the Pentagon. Trump, according to the story, “is sparking fears among those who understand the inner workings of the Pentagon that he would convert the nonpartisan U.S. military into the muscular arm of his political agenda.”

In other words, the Pentagon was virtually announced as the home base of the next anti-Trump plot. It seems that Trump’s adversaries rightly surmised that if elected, his first move would be to clean out the institutions that led the first attempted coup, the DOJ and FBI. Plus, the Pentagon is a larger bureaucracy than federal law enforcement authorities and offers a much broader selection of potential conspirators to draw from: civilian officials and military officers who owe their job or rank to Democrats.

The Brennan Center hosted the May and June 2024 tabletop exercises that were essentially the sequel to the Transition Integrity Project, with Brooks again in the lead. She and Brennan Center senior adviser Barton Gellman invited former Republican and Democratic officials to conduct tabletop exercises gaming out what a second-term Trump administration might do, including the mass roundup and deportation of illegal immigrants. Participants predicted that Trump was likely to invoke the Insurrection Act to put down street protests. “This wasn’t a fanciful or unrealistic scenario,” said Peter Keisler, former acting U.S. attorney general under George W. Bush, who participated in the exercises. “We know people associated with Trump have been looking into how to use the Insurrection Act to deploy military force domestically against protests.”

Another Brooks war-game scenario involved political and military officials “resisting efforts to federalize their National Guard units and send them to quell anti-Trump protests in major U.S. cities.” That is, the playbook forecast nationwide violence that pressured Trump to send troops into U.S. cities. One iteration of the scenario posited a split in the senior ranks of the U.S. military after Trump replaced the chiefs of staff with officers who comply with his order and deploy forces to put down the riots.

Shortly after the November election, anti-Trump activists again zeroed in on the Defense Department. According to a Nov. 8 CNN story, Pentagon officials were “holding informal discussions about how the Department of Defense would respond if Donald Trump issues orders to deploy active-duty troops domestically and fire large swaths of apolitical staffers.” A main topic of discussion at the DOD, according to CNN’s Natasha Bertrand, a prominent Russiagate reporter who broke news of the letter authored by 51 former U.S. spies falsely claiming that Hunter Biden’s laptop was “Russian disinformation,” was the Insurrection Act.

According to Bertrand, invoking it was likely to raise questions inside the Pentagon concerning whether or not he was acting lawfully. “Troops are compelled by law to disobey unlawful orders,” one DOD official told her. “But the question is what happens then—do we see resignations from senior military leaders? Or would they view that as abandoning their people?” It would be especially dangerous, another official told her, “if his political appointees inside the department don’t push back”—that is, unless they, too, fight Trump.

Interesting to see an outlet like that saying that Trump needs to get the praetorians onside and purge the DEI hires with stars on their shoulders (though I do note that they also advise him to “ignore the money” when doing so.)

So, is Trump going to cave, when the 9th circuit likely upholds Breyer’s order? Pivot to Iran, given “reports of explosions at US bases in Iraq”? Or invoke the insurrection act, then have lefty DEI hires in the Pentagon use it as an excuse to try to coup him, as implied by those wargame scenarios? Does he have enough rank-and-file onboard to stop them if they try?

This Saturday could get pretty interesting…

Whether those scenarios were simply Democratic Party fan fiction or early evidence of a genuine plot to destabilize the government in the event Trump was reelected is likely to become clearer this Saturday. Trump has scheduled a large military parade in the nation’s capital for June 14—the U.S. Army’s 250th anniversary, Flag Day, oh, and Trump’s birthday—while his adversaries have planned for a massive nationwide anti-deportation protest the same day. If the point is to overwhelm the capacities of local law enforcement agencies across the country, the administration may have no choice but to mobilize National Guard units and regular troops, like those now on the streets of Los Angeles. And it is the mass mobilization of the U.S. military in American cities, according to the 2024 scenarios, that prompts a crisis in the administration.

…or maybe nothing ever happens.

(I could use some help in clearly mapping out the possible scenarios here.)

Jim says:

Insurrection act solves all these problems. Democrats want Trump to use the insurrection act, whereupon they will declare they are resisting a coup that would make Trump dictator.

The democrats have plenty of gay and troon four star generals, but Pete Hegseth has the ncos. If Trump can bypass California National Guard chain of command, he can bypass US Army chain of command.

The insurrection act is a declaration of civil war, or close to it, and in war all things are permitted. Democrats want that permission, and we on this blog want Trump and Maga to have that permission. Thermidor, however …

Thermidor is horrified, and well they should be, for whoever wins, Thermidor loses.

We may reasonably hope that this war will be so one sided (army versus subhumans) that it is the mere police action it will be billed as, not a real war.

But in war, everything is at stake, so wars tend to be bigger, costlier, and longer than either side expected.

dave says:

Ninth circuit stayed the order, and they did it damn quickly

Looks like judicial control of the military is a red-line, for the powers-that-be this also prevents Trump from needing to go to Insurrection act, which he does have in his back pocket.

Insurrection act is not a red line for Trump – he would do it, everyone knows he would do it, at this point he would have the backing of more than half the country. Law and Order vs Chaos is great political optics. And all the dems can do is threaten chaos while blaming Trump for Chaos.

Ziggy says:

Denmark is one of the few countries that collects ethnic crime data on second generation immigrants. They actually commit crime at a higher rate than first generation immigrants, despite growing up on Denmark. 850 percent overrepresentation in murder.
In Denmark, people of non-Western origin receive the most cash benefits per person. This is actually HIGHER among the descendants of immigrants who were born in Denmark. A fact that shatters liberal dreams of assimilation.

Jim says:

It is obvious that second generation immigrant subhumans are going to be more criminal and welfare dependent than first generation immigrant subhumans. But I find it hard to believe that such data is allowed in Denmark. Link please.

Exurban says:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5089542/

In virtually all subgroups of second generation immigrants, risk was elevated for the two adverse outcomes in both genders. Females generally had greater elevations in attempted suicide risk, and males had greater elevations in violent offending risk. For attempted suicide, especially large IRRs were observed for males and females whose parents emigrated from Greenland; for violent offending, risks were particularly raised for males and females of Middle Eastern, Greenlandic and African origin. Adjustment for socioeconomic status partially explained these associations.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

The current regime in Israel, like the GAE tentacles in the ukraine, understands the importance of striking at nodes in social network graphs foremost of all. Genius, energy, matter, value in that order.

Also like the GAE tentacles, they understand this in a demotist manner; striking at the good and the great, the best and the brightest in Iran, rather than at those who would be making them into enemies in the first place, rather than at those who make dealing and coordination to make dealing impossible.

But of course; to understand things in such a way, would involving striking at those in Israel itself who act to turn neighbors into enemies.

A neat trick, isn’t it?

Mossadnik says:

striking at the good and the great, the best and the brightest in Iran, rather than at those who would be making them into enemies in the first place

Not familiar enough with Iran’s history to be honest, but is Israel actually striking “the best and the brightest” right now? I believe the current regime in Iran is itself a GAE tentacle; its state religion is Progressivism in Islamic garb, basically, and those who serve it ultimately serve Satan. Is that not so?

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

The Iranian revolution was a literal communist plot (more Moscow than Washington in this case, but as usual mediated through ‘the college educated’, ie aided and abetted by harvard’s influence too) so I think that’s probably more right than wrong. I don’t think they are being particularly discriminating, in the classical sense of the term, either, though.

Encelad says:

I can only say that for being the “oppressive, theocratic, patriarchal regime” that mainstream media describes Iran as, its fertility rate looks suspiciously low.

Mossadnik says:

A regime change in Iran should aim at the restoration of their legitimate monarchy.

Mossadnik says:

By the way, in the long-term I’m more concerned about Pakistan than about Iran. I don’t suggest preemptively bombing them (well, not quite yet), but we should strive to increase our military cooperation with India, which is our most natural ally.

The Cominator says:

Do not redeem saar.

Mossadnik says:

When it came to Indian immigration to the US, I stood with white Americans and called for kicking the poo back to the loo. In the Asian context, however, they are my allies, and I’m not going to abandon them just because they scam your dad on the phone.

Jim says:

Hindus in America, and Christians in India, are a problem. Just as Jews are a problem. And here in America we are starting to see all the problems with Hindus that people have long been complaining about regarding Jews. Ethnocentrism, and policies hostile to the native population.

Non state religions can and should be tolerated if you have a strong state religion and non state religions stay in their proper place — thus Christians and Hindus in Dubai are not a problem. Libs in Russia are ceasing to be a problem now that Putin has re-invigorated Russian Orthodoxy.

Peace of Westphalia is that the Sovereign lets non state religions alone, and non state religions stay in their proper place. When their adherents get into state and quasi state office outside their millet, you have a problem.

There is always a state religion. So tolerance for other religions cannot extend to equal access to state and quasi state office, or else your state religion is going to fall to a less tolerant and more intrusive state religion, or to a less tolerant and more intrusive holier-than-thou variant of the state religion.

The Cominator says:

Hindu nepotism is unfortunately 1000x worse than Jews ever was and they cause problems even being on the same phone networks or internet as other people (nobody else is like that). Most non contact phone calls people get are now robocalls or scam calls operated overwhelmingly by jeets. It makes it so people don’t answer calls… their very ability to call people alone decreases social trust.

India needs to have North Korea style Juche imposed on it so they can’t leave and can’t contact the outside world.

Mossadnik says:

Eventual peace with Iran will be great, by the way; the Persians — a great people — can then help us neutralize the Pakistani threat. Surrounded by our Iranian allies from the west and our Indian allies from the east, it should be possible to ensure that Pakistan won’t pose a threat to our country – and if need be, to dismantle the threat. We need the Iranians on our side, and the current military campaign is not unlikely to bring about such an outcome via regime change. With a friendly regime in place (hopefully a rightful monarchy), you might even see Israel helping Iran with its nuclear program, incredible as that idea might sound today. Of course, Israel itself should also undergo a regime change and become an actually Jewish country, but that’s a separate issue.

Jim says:

> the current military campaign is not unlikely to bring about such an outcome via regime change.

Pretty sure that is self deluded Jewish propaganda.

Mossadnik says:

We’ll wait and see. Should be evident in a matter of weeks if the regime keeps stable or not under military pressure.

Hesiod says:

Today’s No Kangz chimp out across the land is already getting interesting. Minnesota police issue a “you no protest” adversary after two state reps found assassinated:

https://x.com/MnDPS_MSP/status/1933918239504929129

What’s going on in Tampon Tim’s territory?

Hesiod says:

“adversary”

advisory, derp.

S says:

The two state reps were democrats who crossed party lines to vote with the Republicans to block illegals from getting state healthcare.

The Cominator says:

So killer was likely a radical leftist mad that they were breaking with the full gay race communism policy of the Democratic party?

Hesiod says:

Still lots of noise to sift through, but the image emerging is lefter-than-thou on left violence here. Commies gonna commie.

Hesiod says:
Mossadnik says:

The triumph of the ill.

Hesiod says:

First thought after seeing photo: Dude looks like a perverted Forrest Gump.

Second thought: Oh, you mean Tom Hanks?

A2 says:

Points of interest: (1) Boelter is a political appointee of some sort by Tim Walz and (2) he killed leftists for being insufficiently leftist. I didn’t expect either twist. One wonders how euro news will cover this? Perhaps by maintaining a studious silence.

Apart from that, NY Post had something of a nostalgia issue. Huma Abedin is getting married to Alex Soros; Carlos Danger is getting back into local politics again; and Ari Nagel retires after fathering no less than 176 children. Photos of some of the mothers included.

Hesiod says:

The article has been updated:

“He left behind a “manifesto” listing the names of 70 politicians, including Walz and his Lt. Gov. Peggy Flanagan, and a stack of papers stating “No Kings” in reference to the nationwide anti-Trump protests, according to police.

The apparent hit list included abortion providers, clinics and Planned Parenthood, sources told The Post. Both of the Democrats he targeted were pro-choice.

Police are weighing whether Boetler held extreme anti-abortion views, sources said.”

Oh yeah, and he yelled “this is MAGA country!” when he assaulted Jesse Smollett.

Hesiod says:

Now, I’m not saying Boelter is gay, but he was considerate enough to text the two non-relative men he rented a house with “to be closer to work” to tell them he loved them both very much and to apologize for the inevitable police presence at said residence.

Not often you get to see gay communism self-destruct Looney Tunes style and then have the MSM scramble to cover it up.

alf says:

(1) Boelter is a political appointee of some sort by Tim Walz and (2) he killed leftists for being insufficiently leftist

Fascinating how that is both a plot twist yet also completely predictable.

“Gay leftist has murderous intent towards less radical leftists”

“Dog bites man”

Contaminated NEET says:

>The apparent hit list included abortion providers, clinics and Planned Parenthood, sources told The Post. Both of the Democrats he targeted were pro-choice.

This is very smart and very ruthless. This gay commie is a fanatical pro-lifer? Obviously not. But, putting abortion stuff on a target list without actually attacking those targets helps the press and bureaucracy use your Left wing attack to crack down on Right wingers. They are so much better at this game than we are.

A2 says:

Also unusual that the assassin got away after “being cornered by the police”. He had on a police uniform and a weird boomer rubber mask. I see TV movie potential.

Meanwhile in LA

“What started as a peaceful protest of more than 20,000 people quickly descended into mayhem as demonstrators clashed with the Los Angeles Police Department and other agencies in a cloud of tear gas outside the Edward R. Roybal Federal Building.

“We just wanted to come and support our people and we’re getting tear gassed for it,” Melissa Bran, 28, said while dabbing her red eyes with a wet cloth.” (etc etc)

Well, that I found very predictable at least.

A2 says:

In a comment on the mostly peaceful ‘No kings’, Trump said “We’re not a king.”

Which is quintessential Trump, I’d say. I chuckled for some time.

Hesiod says:

Boetler allegedly obtained a PhD in education at Cardinal Stritch University, a private Roman Catholic school that closed in 2023 due to declining funds. Other star alumni include one Marijuana Pepsi Vandyck, a black African American Negro of Color whose dissertation on uncommon names of BAANOC public school children revolutionized academia.

Boetler seems particularly proud of his time in the Congo as a “nutrition” advisor to the government there. Having seen footage of certain Congolese culinary practices, I can only try to bridle my imagination as to what he actually did there.

Hesiod says:

Another commie fag gets arrested in Minnesota, this one for sending threats to the state capitol:

https://archive.ph/t22hc

Jonathan Bohn, Director of Public Affairs for the Evil League of Spiteful Mutants:

https://archive.ph/kjwf7

WQ9 says:

We advocate formation of [*deleted because no thought crimes detected*]

Jim says:

We advocate something somewhat similar. But more importantly, we explain why such policies are desirable and necessary — which explanation is the thought crime missing from your comment.

Your comment sounds like “We advocate this because we are incels who hate women.” Hating women and wishing them ill is not a thought crime — we see the gay left doing it all the time, and the troon left even more so.

Please conform to the moderation policy.

Oog en Hand says:

We advocate the formation of raiding parties by polygamous Mormons to attack settlements of monogamous Mormons.

See, far more thought crimes.

JustAnotherGuy says:

Looks like some Dems got executed for voting against giving gibs to the illegals. More and more I feel Jim’s target date of 2026 was precisely on time. Prophetic.

The “no kings” protests are a well funded color revolution. Those responsible must be strung up on nooses in the national mall as an example to the others.

Mossadnik says:

The Left lost its mojo. Look at those protesters – it’s a nursing home demographic, a bunch of literal and metaphorical senescent cells. No meaning to fedpost, but at this point a civil war is highly likely to end in a decisive victory for the Right, and perhaps it’s in your true interest to have one and be done with it already. Leftists are a wholly dysgenic and dysfunctional biomass at this point, particularly the fighting age ones. A civil war will likely be brief and culminate in Total Libtard Comination and the Fall of Babylon. Maybe it will indeed happen in 2026, as per the Jimian prophesy.

Mossadnik says:

(Nothing ever happens – right until something does happen.)

Cloudswrest says:

I was not even aware of this nationwide protest until I was in the middle of it. I was driving the coast 101 route from Northern to Southern California today. I decided to stop in Santa Maria to juice up the Tesla as I’d never checked out that super charging station before. Usually I stop in Pismo. A mild mistake. The “No Kings” protest was in full swing at the intersection ~100 yards from the station!!!! A lot of passing cars honking horns in support. Luckily they mostly all appeared to be well behaved boomers waving signs. They also appear to have dumped the Mexican flag and were waving American flags. While they were not overtly blocking the road per se, every time the light changed there was a “parade” of a 100 people or so crossing the street. It took ~10 minutes, and 3 or 4 traffic light cycles, for me to make the left turn.

Jim says:

The Dems engage in revolutionary rhetoric: “Trump is a dictator. For the Republic to survive, he must be overthrown.” But generally do not engage in revolutionary acts. Or, as with Governor Newscum, are very furtive about engaging in revolutionary acts. This has created a great deal of frustration in their base, which is likely the root of the recent faggot left on straight left assassination. Did you see that frustration at the protest?

Cloudswrest says:

Not really. Sort of a party atmosphere with people waving signs like “No Kings”, “No one is illegal” and “be an ally”, etc. And moral support from passing honking cars. Of course, Santa Maria is probably one of the more Hispanic towns on the CA central coast.

Karl says:

The “No Kings” signs are interesting. Are people starting to think about monarchy?

Jim says:

The idea of monarchy is in the air.

People noticing that voting does not work.

The people holding “No Kings” posters are outraged that Trump is actually attempting to implement the platform he ran on.

The Republic is dead, and leftism killed it.

They hold their protest, and Trump holds a military parade.

Which one is cooler?

Anon says:

Which one is cooler?

The parade was a boomer parade. No goose stepping which is ok in the beginning, hopefully future parade will be more tight.

Fidelis says:

You’re mad for stupid reasons — “lol if Trump is pro white how come he doesn’t have a swastika tattooed to his forehead haha gotem Q-tards.”

That said, you are correct it was a stupid parade with terrible aesthetics. Women in mens clothing leading events, fatasses wobbling everywhere, lunchladies in uniform. None of the troops could maintain anything resembling formation when going through, many looked visibly annoyed to be there and dragged their feet marching. Hegseth has a lot of work to do.

The Cominator says:

Good looking on the parade ground doesn’t correlate that well with how good they are at waging war (the US military can’t do either too well now) Sherman was notoriously indifferent to how good his army looked on parades and spit and polish in general…

Parade for Fools says:

No women were in, or anywhere near, Sherman tanks. Closest would have been field hospitals and paper/comms desks, depot operations, etc.
https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/status/1934059826880946407
Decorating WWII Sherman Tanks and Rolling Stock with Breasts, any “at risk” ops prior to the 1994~2003 quiet defensive fightback period, is a Period-Incorrect Woke PsyOp.
Not till 2003~2015 were women less-than-quietly allowed to take on offensive roles.
After 2015 women were more or less fully integrated in all roles, with performance standards applied in 2025.

Trannies, Flaming Faggots, Furries, and related species are psychological trainwrecks and focused on nonwarfighting things, and thus must be removed from the forces.

Jim says:

The world has girlboss fatigue from Hollywood and big gaming companies forcing it down everyone throats. Putting chicks on the tanks was depressing.

Physically, that is a something a chick in the military can do, but they lack the killer instinct, and women are too valuable to be put in extremely dangerous roles. They need to be at home popping out future soldiers.

And, by the way, you are on moderation and future posts are unlikely to get through unless you comply with the moderation policy. though since you use a new identity in each of your innumerable comments that will make no difference.

The Cominator says:

In Japan the idea of girls in WWII tanks was a campy comedic subject

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt2294076/

Anon says:

“lol if Trump is pro white how come he doesn’t have a swastika tattooed to his forehead haha gotem Q-tards.”

America was the countery inventing modern marching , the nazi copied it. look to ww2 era victory parades , everyone followed suit.
And As always leftist hated it because it celebration of warriors and masculinity.
at first they tried to do it , which looked like what you saw at the birtday parade , but because it looked ridiculous , with all the dyke and effeminate males they abandoned it.
like X user said
“Funny how the American public pathologized military parades: “Only evil icky countries – NK & Russia – do them!”
Every healthy country with an army does them. US did too, then stopped, got rusty, and rewrote history to pretend it never made sense.
Total cultural amnesia!”

i was trying to understand why it looked low and ridiculous, untill it hit me , the parade has a lot of camp followers , music bands , ceremonials personal, jeeps , female, fat male and less fighting force , tanks, cannon howitzer, missiles , you know the thing that actually dose the fighting.
but still , it is a good step in the right direction , hopefully next , no female , except if they are pretty with skirt.

A2 says:

Britain doomed: “MI6 will be led by a woman for the first time in the foreign intelligence service’s 116-year history. … Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer called the appointment “historic” … Ms Metreweli, 47, is currently Director General “Q” – head of the crucial technology and innovation division …”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxyx04dv1wo

Well, even more doomed, I suppose.

Your Uncle Bob says:

The silver lining is we shouldn’t want a competent anti-white secret police.

The phys is interesting though. Manjaw suggests high T for a woman, and she doesn’t present as jewish or mystery meat. Last name is Georgian but born in the UK to a father with UK service. Kremlinology, maybe they want maximum diversity points while not yet being ready to break for masks-off Indian overseer or screaming-for-white-pussy Muslim. Graded on a curve, might be unfortunately competent for a chick.

Anon says:

Ms Metreweli, who studied anthropology at the University of Cambridge, has previously held director level roles in MI5 – MI6’s sister, domestic security agency – and spent most of her career working in the Middle East and Europe.

“anthropology”
Lmao , these people don’t even pretend to care anymore.

Anon says:

like jim don’t care which the mideast go.
but as a watcher , this fight look like germany vs russia in 1941.
at first the german with Wunderwaffe was able to push hard and reach moscow , dealing a crushing blow to russia early , but soon enough the attrition start, the wunderwaffe started to malfunction due to accumulating stress , while russia was supplied by US factories , in this case china through paki.
dose not look good for israel , will they able to pull US in , i say people should watch for false flag.

white bread says:

http://www.youtube/watch?v=eX2NDHmfJXw

Here, more reality for jew apologists. John Mearsheimer, who no doubt is yet another evil islamist says :

“Israel owns us”
“Israel can do pretty much anything it wants”
“This is a truly remarkable situation that most americunts can’t understand”
“A small country with a couple million people(sic) is able to get the US to do its bidding”

“To put a positive spin on what trump’s done – he’s in a straitjacket – he just doesn’t have any choice – there’s no way he can really contest the isrealis because the lobby is so powerful”

(I don’t agree with that last statement of course. Trump is a disgustingly willingly accomplices of the jews)

ref: muslamic encyclopedia
https://www.britannica.com/biography/John-Mearsheimer

Jim says:

Israel desperately wants to pull the US into this war. Has Trump allowed us to be pulled in?

He might do so, but I doubt it. Want to bet?

Israel is merely yet another client state, and though Trump indulges client states, he is getting a bit tired of doing so.

False flag attack on the US incoming 1, 2, 3. Will Trump fall for it this time around?

I will bet .3 Monero XMR or 1 mBTC that we will still not be at war with Iran on 2026-01-01

Only the US has bunker busters that could directly damage the Iranian enrichment facilities. Israel desperately wants them used. They have not been used yet. I do not expect them to be.

If the US was really under the thumb of the Israel, no one would be expecting false flag attacks.

white bread says:

>He might do so, but I doubt it. Want to bet?

Well, I admit you may be right, and I’m not a gambler, so I’ll pass. I’ll wait and see.

>we will still not be at war with Iran on 2026-01-01

(That seems like a long time though)

>If the US was really under the thumb of the Israel, no one would be expecting false flag attacks.

Not fully sure what you mean. An attack against the US by either the pentagon or the jews, or both, is a sensible move by the so called war party. Ah your point is that if they need a false flag op it’s because they don’t have total and complete control? Well, maybe, but on the other hand a false flag op would be mostly an excuse to allow the US to pose as a poor innocent victim fighting for democracy, but even the majority of normies would know it’s a blatant ruse. So it would be like a formality of sorts – part of standard procedure.

Jim says:

> (That seems like a long time though)

It is six months. Wars take a long time to start, and a longer time to finish.

> a false flag op would be mostly an excuse to allow the US to pose as a poor innocent victim fighting for democracy,

A false flag by the Deep State is unlikely, because they might well fear that Maga would not go along with it, and they might likely hang for it.

If Thermidor was in on the false flag, and Maga discovered, interesting times between Maga and Thermidor would ensue.

I expect a false flag by Israel.

ayyylmao says:

If Building 7 spontaneously collapsed today you’d have podcasters with millions of listeners left right and center mocking it relentlessly within the day. Politically effective false flags depend on a credulous populace.

Mossadnik says:
Jim says:

Building seven did not “spontaneously collapse”. It collapsed as a result of massive impact damage and a fire that burned for longer than its steel frame was rated to endure.

Firefighters in the square predicted that the building was going to collapse into the square. So they left. A little while later the building fell over into the square.

white bread says:

That is a very big red flag. Even Carlson has no trouble telling the truth about 9/11. Jim on the other hand…

Mossadnik says:

Personally, I’d very much like you, halal bread, to tell us all about the troof. Go ahead.

ayyylmao says:

No steel frame anywhere has ever collapsed from any fire. Everything else around the steel frame burns up and the steel frame remains standing. This is true no matter how third-world the country, no matter how incompetent the architects, no matter how soviet the construction… world history’s absolutely singular counterexample being (allegedly) Building 7. I lack the stamina to argue with the United State’s comically farcical party line.

Jim says:

> No steel frame anywhere has ever collapsed from any fire.

Why do you think they fire insulate the steel frame?

The rating for the steel frame building seven was three hours of fire. It lasted for seven hours. And it did not collapse from fire. It collapsed from a great big hole blasted into it by high speed aircraft wreckage, plus fire that lasted more than twice as long as it was rated for. If it collapsed from fire, would have fallen straight down on its foundations. What the fire fighters expected and predicted is that it would fall over towards the damage, like a tree notched by the axeman, into the square. Which it did. The rubble heap was centred in the square.

They were not expecting it to collapse from fire — they were expecting it to fall over from the damage plus the fire. The firefighters predicted what would happen, and it happened in the way that they predicted and expected.

ayyylmao says:

Inverse poster-girl principle. Show a steel frame that ever collapsed anywhere else in the entire world on any other day or prostrate yourself before Marie Curie.

Jim says:

No steel buildings have been on fire after getting notched by terrorists. Could well have fallen down without any fire, and it started its fall by going sideways towards the damage, like a tree notched by the axman. The buildings around it looked like giant rats had been knawing on them.

Can you tell us what Mueller and the FBI got up to during Russia Russia Russia? Their investigative process during Trump 1.0? If you cannot, going to put you on moderation as yet another fed.

ayyylmao says:

Inverse poster-girl principle show of good faith. Find me literally any other steel frame on Earth that has collapsed for any reason anywhere (I’ll even accept tsunamis or earthquakes, both of which are vastly more damaging than bits of airliner shrapnel and/or terruriss bombs) and in return I’ll go on Wikipedia or Encyclopedia Dramatica or whereverthefuck and research which U.S. power centers had their hands up Senile Old Coot Mueller’s ass puppeting his every move. I don’t care enough to argue with you about this otherwise.

Jim says:

You are now on moderation for failure tell us about the misdeeds of Mueller and the FBI, the organisation who has hired so many people to endlessly shill inane lies about 911

Also because I have already responded far too many times to your endlessly repeated inane lie — the implied lie being the unstated but implied presupposition that building seven did not take damage in the attack, and that therefore its collapse came as total surprise — that it was comparable to any other case of building catching on fire.

The Cominator says:

Events remotely similar to 9/11 are rather rare if not nonexistent in history so its hard to reproduce. Japan may have earthquake data for tall buildings collapsing but they build tall buildings in Japan to resist major earthquakes.

ayyylmao says:

[*unresponsive*]

Jim says:

You are the only person on planet earth who knows nothing about what Mueller and the FBI got up to during “Russia Russia Russia”? A topic that dominated the headlines for years? Were you perhaps born in 2019?

Fed detected.

And despite an obsessive interest in attack on the trade towers, you are also unaware of any FBI and Mueller odd and suspicious behaviour in the events leading up to and following the attack?

ayyylmao says:

Most people know fuck-all about that. I know even less because I don’t read news or watch TV and turn off podcasts when they discuss anything about current events. “Mueller [i.e., the probably Jewish lawyers working for him] is going to put Trump behind bars” is literally the extent of my knowledge. Hence why I offered to research it for you and specifically name the probable-Jews.

Unmoderate me. You queer.

Jim says:

OK, research it. What wrongs did Mueller and the FBI do before and immediately after 911, and what wrongs did the Mueller and the FBI do in the course of trying to put Trump behind bars? Search General Flynn for a start.

Search General Flynn, pretextual charges, Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, process crimes, Fisa court, Carter Page.

They would demand that someone talk to the FBI on some frivolous legal pretext, such as some incomprehensible taxation technicality, and make him talk to FBI for a very very long time. And inevitably something he said could, with a fair bit of energetic creative retrospective reinterpretation, be argued to contradict the facts or contradict something else he had said, whereupon they would charge him with obstruction and lying to the FBI, put him in prison “awaiting trial”, raid his home and business, and threaten to keep him in jail till hell froze over or he gave them the goods on Trump. Which goods of course did not actually exist, but they kept persuading themselves that they did exist, and if they just kept on turning the screws harder and harder something would come out, and they would “leak” that they had the goodies that they did not in fact have, but hoped that they would have real soon if they just kept turning the screws harder and harder.

They turned the screws harder and harder on a whole lot of people who had done nothing wrong.

In the lead up to 911, Mueller and the FBI had a policy of ignoring Mohammedan terrorists even if the terrorists got in their faces, and finding white male Christian terrorists regardless of whether they actually existed or not. After 911, they then went looking rather harder than they should have for anyone but Mohammedan terrorists, and leaked a whole lot of evidence pointing in some other direction, which evidence does not appear to have actually existed.

A connection between Mossad and the terrorists may well be real, but the connection, if it existed, consisted of Mossad doing the job the FBI was conspicuously, obstinately, and blatantly refusing to do.

Mossadnik says:

Hey Friendly Frenulum, someone was indeed dancing and cheering on 9/11. Not exactly who Mueller’s FBI told you it was.

Huh, how strange, makes you wonder just why the FBI pulled off the psyop it did, doesn’t it?

Who was dancing on 9/11, Monsieur Le Mao, hmmm?

Karl says:

Only the US has bunker busters that could directly damage the Iranian enrichment facilities.

I’m not sure this war is really about Iranian enrichment facilities. Anyway, Israel has nukes. Nukes can be used as bunker busters. If the US doesn’t bust those bunkers for Israel, Israel might use nukes. The more costly the war, the higher the pressure for Israel’s government to use nukes.

Wars can get very costly. What could possibly prevent Israel from using nukes if the war get’s serious?

Jim says:

If Israel uses nukes, possibly Pakistan will use nukes.

I very much doubt that Israel has nukes. Their science and technology lags. Probably for much the same reasons as US tech has been stagnant with a few notable exceptions. We know Pakistan has nukes, and Iran has delivery systems.

Once a nuclear power nukes a non nuclear power, everyone is going to get nukes, possibly in cooperation with allied presently non nuclear powers.

Israel has research reactors. A “research” reactor capable producing adequate amounts of plutonium for nukes is going to produce a lot of heat. If they were producing a lot of heat, would have been noticeable and they would have built dual purpose power reactors — the power being to provide deniability for operating a nuclear reactor on a scale capable of producing decent amounts of weapon’s grade plutonium.

Israel lacks enrichment capability, so lags Iran. If you are building nukes, going to operate large scale enrichment and large scale reactors that produce thermal power plant levels of waste heat.

Iran’s enrichment capability is sufficient to produce enriched uranium nukes. But their reactor capability lags. If you cannot build a reactor, maybe cannot build a nuke. Likely they have a Musk in charge of their enrichment program, but not an Oppenheimer in charge of their reactor and nukes program. Israel has an allergy to great men, and Iran has an allergy to great men.

Karl says:

I agree that Israel can’t built nukes now. Anything they have was built decades ago. My impression was that their technological decline was not quite as severe as, e.g. UK. To the best of my knowledge, nobody has yet tested any decades old warheads to find out how well these things age.

Of course, some maintenance work always needs to be done. After a few decades, any polymer parts need to be replaced, for example. Quite possible that such replacement work means that the polymer part has to be redisigned from scratch, but that doesn’t sound too difficult for a team of male engineers that isn’t troubled by Shaniqua. My guess is that there are no Shaniquas in Dimona, but as there are gay pride marches in Israel that guess might well be wrong.

Mossadnik says:

Twilight of the Grifters.

Pete says:

I wish Trump would shut up about “making a deal” with Iran. Category error. You can never make a deal with nonwhites, especially muslims, because they are savages, not civilized. As soon as they feel strong enough to ignore any consequences of breaking the deal, they will break it.

Also among nonwhites (and especially in muslim culture), a strong man simply takes what he wants. He doesn’t bargain, he just dictates terms. This is how it’s going to be. Looking to make a deal means you’re the weaker party and you think you won’t win a fight, so you’re begging for a truce.

TL;DR – Trump constantly talking about making a deal with Iran makes him look desperate and makes Iran think they have him on the ropes so they will press harder.

Anon says:

The only party who can’t make a deal is the US , the US is agreement incapable to every party , wither with Russia or Iran or china, every deal will be renegotiated again and again and again , it get tiresome.

Pete says:

American can’t make a deal because there is not a single head of state with power. Too many factions have their own agendas that conflict, and any “deal” would be tossed out by the new elected party after the next elections anyway.

Nonwhites can’t make a deal because they are genetically and culturally disposed to being sneaky and treacherous. Not quite the same thing.

FrankNorman says:

Pete, what is the point of a strong man trying to “dictate terms” if everyone knows that his word is worth nothing anyway?

Neurotoxin says:

If you’re totally agreement-incapable then you can’t issue any credible promises (making a deal) or credible threats (strong man)… in theory. In reality, Trump is trying to hold together a coalition that has a larger pro-war faction than pro-peace faction. Unfortunately. So any threats he makes have more credibility than any promises he makes.

This is just an analysis, not an argument for us sticking our dicks into the Middle Eastern beehive, which I very much hope we DON’T do.)

Mossadnik says:

My assessment as a horrible no-good zio shill:

Israel presented Trump with its ability to cause significant damage to the Fordow facility without the American B-2 bunker busters – magic tricks are on the way.

Seeing that Israel can go at it alone, and that no one will come to Iran’s aid, the God-Emperor prepares to join in on the fun, thereby demonstrating military might to bolster American deterrence against the other rivals, and entering the history books as a “Peace Through Strength” President. There won’t be any false flags, and the current Iranian regime’s days are numbered.

With Iran decisively defeated, and with the Trump Plan implemented in Gaza, expect a dramatic expansion of the Abraham Accords.

This will be over soon, likely in a few weeks, and afterwards you will see peace and prosperity in the Middle-East, just as the God-Emperor promised.

The Cominator says:

The problem with air striking Iran is that
1) Israel for all its ability to carry out precision airstrikes and for all the skill of the Mossad (unlike the CIA clearly a first rate intelligence service) is unlikely to be able to destroy the Iranian regime it clearly can’t conquer Iran
2) An unconquered and wounded Iran will do things which will skyrocket the price of oil and thus sweep the left back into power
Hence why we should not be anywhere near this

Mossadnik says:

As far as I’m concerned as an Israeli, Americans should indeed stay out of it.

And if Trump decides to get involved, he will do so as part of his own strategy, not because we “drag him in” or some bullshit like that.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

While I suspect that Shaman’s prediction is, shall we say, “optimistic”, I also seriously doubt that Iran is capable of destabilizing any global commodity market or doing anything that would “sweep the left back into power” in the USA. They simply don’t have sufficient control over a sufficient quantity of resources.

The top exporters of petroleum are Saudi Arabia, Russia and Iraq. But you might be surprised to find out that the USA is in 4th place, and is almost tied with Iraq. We don’t need anyone else’s oil, and we don’t need anyone else’s gas. A lot of the fuck-fuck games that America has been playing in Russian territory, sabotaging pipelines and so on, is to try to force Western Europe to buy our exports instead of buying from Russia.

My guess is, if Russia were to be sufficiently offended by an attack on Iran–which is widely considered to be their client state, like Israel is ours–then they (Russia) could potentially trigger a bunch of crises around “international finance” and specifically around trade between America and the various European suzerainties, which already have complicated economic dependencies as well as a weaker political situation. But nothing that would trickle down domestically.

And it’s not at all certain that Russia (a) really gives a shit or (b) wants to start another military escalation even if they do give a shit. Russia is very interested in the Ukraine, and rightfully so, but their ties to the middle eastern states are a lot vaguer and more tenuous, and they seem to like to maintain plausible deniability. They sell weapons, maybe even send some money, but keep their hands clean from direct involvement.

I still wouldn’t stick my dick in it, if I were Trump; but who knows, maybe Trump has already back-channeled Putin or other Russian officials on this. Everyone is making wild-ass guesses, and we don’t know what’s really going on.

The Cominator says:

Iran can make the Straits of Hormuz very unsafe to ship oil…

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Did war in Europe improve Europe?

Well, as long as the wars were more for signaling, wars of princes, ‘cabinet wars’, arguably they did. This doesn’t look like that though.

Israelis killing pallys is just fine and dandy because physically removing untermenschen for lebensraum is also civilization.

War with Iran could prove calamitous though, since Iranians are a real people with a real country. All wars between real countries have a tendency to turn into long wars, especially when the ‘relative mass’ is factored in.

Even when the dominoes in front of you may fall, so often, that only means that others in the same sphere start getting in on the fun too – and it’s far from evident that Israel can actually conquer Iran; the geo-logistical realities of the fact that they are practically on other ends of the subcontinent with a bunch of other players in between not least of which.

Attempts to pull the US into the fight (which may well bring other powers into the fight too), whether through false flags or other means, are all but guaranteed. The actions don’t make sense any other way.

Mossadnik says:

I don’t think anyone seriously considers conquering Iran. Looks to me that the idea is to weaken them militarily and destabilize the regime – this should “suffice,” so to speak, and with these (rather limited) goals in mind, direct offensive American involvement is not necessary. Then it might be possible that some faction within Iran will carry out a regime change (ideally: institute a rightful, legitimate Monarchy), and replace the state religion with something less Third Worldist.

Jim says:

Israel and Iran have been fighting a war though proxies for years. This war was provoked by the Iranian belief that they have a religious duty to eradicate Israel, so proceeded with small scale deliberately ineffectual efforts to eliminate Israel. Inevitably it escalated to direct war. This is a war where both powers are real nations. It can only be resolved by boots on the ground, or by a peace which neither side has the capability to make, or by nukes that neither side has the capability to make — though war might well give rise to that capability. War is terrible, but it discourages pencil pushes from getting rid of great men.

Boots on the ground could proceed through Syria. Assuming a great man is given a free hand, which has now become likely, nukes will take years. Boots on the ground through Syria might also take a while.

Israel decisively won the six day war though shock and maneuver. Shock and maneuver has now become more difficult. Iran can sustain a war of attrition based on direct combat between the Israeli army and the Iranian army through Syria a lot better than Israel can.

Iran can eliminate Israel, though long and terrible direct war of attrition. Israel cannot eliminate Iran. Neither side can make peace, Iran because their state religion dictates treacherous disregard of peace treaties, Israel because Jews are naturally sneaky and treacherous.

Simultaneously, America has long been fighting a war on China and Russia through proxies. The objective in China is to impose the US state religion on China. The objective in Russia is to break up Russia into a bunch of “post Russian” states and erase the Russian identity, language, and history, though the proxy attacks, like Iran’s proxy attacks, were far too feeble for such a grand objective. That war too has been escalating. America cannot make peace, through lack of cohesion. Needs a real president, but the Deep State and the Democrat party (but I repeat myself) don’t like having a real president.

Russia was quite happy to accept the American state religion, until they discovered that the state religion wanted to erase Russia: the Russian state, the Russian identity, language, and history.

It is unlikely that Israel has nukes, or can build nukes. They have not built uranium enrichment facilities, nor real reactors. Iran has built uranium enrichment facilities, but is unable to build reactors, so cannot build nukes. They could suddenly discover men among them who could build reactors and nukes, but it will take a while. A great man has to obtain the necessary power, build the necessary organisation, and then he can build nukes.

Since the Iranian proxy war was low level, Israel could continue just putting up with it, and Russia and China could continue just putting up with it. But wars tend to escalate, and if you do not escalate under provocation, this encourages the enemy to escalate. American proxy escalation against Russia became intolerable, as was Iranian proxy escalation. American escalation against China remains tolerable, largely because America is distracted by Russia and Israel.

In both cases, American and Iran, a universalist and aggressive state religion leads to war. The solution, as Trump is well aware, is Peace of Westphalia. But Peace of Westphalia requires overthrow of America’s state religion and Iran’s state religion.

Iran’s state religion was dying, though their major competitors were even worse. America’s state religion is dying, but it is still live enough suppressing it right now would require tremendous violence. We, however, are in the fortunate position that the required level of violence is rapidly diminishing. Leftism must get ever lefter, ever faster, as a shark must swim or die. Iran would require a crusade, for which we lack the capability, and in any case demon worship in America is a bigger problem than Mohammedanism in Iran. Have to win here first, before we can think about winning in the Middle East.

I need to promote this analysis into a post.

Jim says:

Iran cannot be decisively defeated except by boots on the ground. Israel does not have enough boots.

Mossadnik says:

Yeah, I meant the reigning faith in charge of the regime.

It’s a religious war, ultimately.

Trimble says:

> religious war

good. let the worlds jews and muslims slaughter each other down to zero… world will be much better without both of them.

Mossadnik says:

Iran has the same problem as Israel and India – a lack of a replacement priesthood. If the current priesthood falls, not sure what will come next. But the goal is to weaken and perhaps abolish the current priesthood, at least the way I see it.

Mossadnik says:

Israel is not really Jewish, India is not really Hindu, and Iran’s state religion is some kind of Third Worldist abomination. All three will have to undergo regime changes and replace their respective priesthoods, one way or another. The neocons would obviously like Iran to go full Prog, but thank God, the Trump Administration has nothing to do with neocons, and the Israeli Government has nothing to do with neocons. The current Iranian priesthood should be replaced with something healthier, rather than something sicker.

Kevin C. says:

> Iran cannot be decisively defeated except by boots on the ground. Israel does not have enough boots.

Is this why I’m seeing so many people debating exactly what form “Trump’s invasion of Iran” is going to take, which targets will get bunker busters, which portions of the armed forces will be the first of the “boots on the ground,” et cetera, as though it’s already a foregone conclusion that America will be providing the boots Israel doesn’t have?

Karl says:

Can the US provide the boots Israel doesn’t have?

Your Uncle Bob says:

US Army alone, 450,00, three times the size of Israel’s active duty military. So technically yes. But these numbers are not all fit to fight. Hegseth’s shifted the nose of the beast but there hasn’t been time to reconstitute the military we once had.

Also, shouldn’t have given up Iraq and Afghanistan if we’d known we’d be dying for Israel in Iran. That complicates operations further.

There’s also the open question of whether MAGA will vote for and young white men will enlist for another foreign war. On the record so far conservatives will swallow absolutely anything when it comes to bombing browns. But cracks are beginning to show, and it’s not clear how far the old rules apply. By the old rules Trump and team might feel they need just a little war as a treat, to keep the coalition together. But they might get only the boomers talking tough around water coolers, and no enlistment spike.

Karl says:

450,000 doesn’t sound like much to invade a country with a population of 90 million.

Mossadnik says:

why I’m seeing so many people debating exactly what form “Trump’s invasion of Iran” is going to take

Is there a cure to hysterical pussy-faggotry?

Of course he will not “invade Iran” and there will not be any “boots on the ground.” In all likelihood, if Trump actively joins the military campaign (and that’s a big “if”), it will only/primarily be to bomb Fordo with the bunker busters, perhaps also to turn Khamenei into qormeh sabzi, which the Iranians can and most likely will simply blame on Israel rather than on America, because everyone makes stuff up as convenient. Thus for America there will not be a “””war with Iran””” or any other such retarded bullshit. The current Third Worldist priesthood will be defeated and replaced in a few weeks — possibly earlier — and by August at the most latest you’ll be back to discussing Mexican Stinky Beaner Gangs and all your other favorite topics.

(The cure to hysterical pussy-faggotry is a bullet between the eyes.)

Mossadnik says:

(Also, if all your pilots are now Shaniquas, then really as an Israeli I urge you to stay out of it.)

Mossadnik says:

No eating WATERMELONS at the cockpit!

Alf says:

Over in a few weeks, really? Israel may have the resources to escalate this, does not have the resources to finish this. Kind of hard to see this business as anything else but more late bronze age style collapse. Nations starting wars not because of strategic interest, but because no one is able to maintain peace.

Jim says:

> Nations starting wars not because of strategic interest, but because no one is able to maintain peace.

It is obvious that war between Iran and Israel is not in the interests of either nation. They just drifted into it.

If we treat war as a rationaly self interested decision, if the parties could predict the outcome of the war, they would agree to the outcome without having to hold a war.

But what we see is people making decisions on the basis of absurd delusions isolated from reality, “gas station masquerading as a world power” and people not making decisions at all, but letting trouble makers who know they will not bear the costs of war make decisions for them.

World War I started because Russia gave the barking Chichuaha, Serbia, impunity to make trouble, and the Serbian government let the radicals do the their thing.

white bread says:

>World War I started because Russia gave the barking Chichuaha, Serbia, impunity to make trouble,

See, Putin is always to blame. At least according to US propaganda. In reality of course “the great war” started because the german right-wing, monarchist imperialists started it. And it was basically the continuation of Bismarck’s Franco-Prussian war. Great Achievments of Civilized Western Christian Monarchy..

Jim says:

> “the great war” started because the german right-wing, monarchist imperialists started it.

Nuts.

Serbia was persistently engaging in both peace and war against Austria, which became intolerable when Serbia sponsored the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand, heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne and his wife. Austria demanded that they choose peace or war. They were disinclined to choose.

If any nation persistently pursues a policy of both peace and war, as the Globohomo empire has been pursuing against Russia, eventually, sooner or later, one way or another way, it is going to be war.

Every hundred years or so, people forget this, and do it all over again. Except that this time, we have nukes. The details of how you wind up at full war from a policy of a just a teensy little little bit of low level war are infinitely varied, as when glass shatters, it shatters a different way each time, but there is no point in paying attention to the particular details of how a policy half way between peace and war winds up in war. It was always going to wind up in war. It is always going to wind up in war. The particular details of how a policy of part way between peace and war wound up as war are unimportant, an irrelevant distraction, utterly inconsequential. If it had not been the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand followed by an Austrian ultimatum to Serbia to choose between peace and war, it would have been something else, sooner or later, one way or another way.

Should Austria have put up with the assassination Archduke Ferdinand and his wife? Well, there had been a whole lot of lower level stuff like that, and Austria was already pissed. And if they put up with it, there would have been more stuff, and even bigger stuff, and they would have become more pissed. The sticking point of the ultimatum was that they demanded that Austrian cops be allowed to go after Serbian terrorists that the Serbian cops were strangely unable to notice, let alone arrest, and these terrorists were funded by organisations who were funded by organisations who were funded by the Serbian government, analogous to the US funding USAID, and USAID funding ngos who fund terrorists and revolutionaries. Serbia complained that this was a violation of its sovereignty. Which it was. After all, sovereignty clearly includes the right to make low level war against your neighbors. Also the right to make high level war against your neighbors. And if you make low level war, sooner or later, one way or another way, your neighbors are going to escalate.

A meta rule that says “thou shalt not escalate against low level war with higher level war” is unstable. The only rule that works, the only meta rule that is stable over time is that “if low level war, then everything is on the table, including total genocide, and it is totally the fault of the side that started something, so don’t start shit.”

That was the rule of the concert of Europe. It worked. Nothing else works.

The Cominator says:

So the Prussian General Staff and the House of Hohenzollern were sponsoring Serbian terrorism?

Jim says:

Serbia was sponsoring Serbian terrorism, and opponents of the Prussian General Staff and the House of Hohenzollern, in particular Russia, were protecting Serbia from the consequences of its actions.

This analogous to Poland and Lithuania under the protection of the Globohomo empire trying to destroy Kalingrad with petty low level nastiness, which sooner or later, one way or another way, is go to escalate to full scale artillery bombardment and tanks pushing through the ruins of Kalingrad, shortly followed by efforts Russia to relieve the besieged defenders of Kalingrad holed up in the ruins, which efforts are likely to shortly become genocidal, shortly followed by nukes.

If Poles and Lithuanians treat the existence of Russians in the middle of Poles and Lithuanians as a problem to be solved, Russia will likely wind up treating the existence of Poles and Lithuanians between Kalingrad and the rest of Russia as a problem to be solved.

The Cominator says:

I know im just pointing out the absurd position of the wignat (he agrees with Satan’s incarnation Woodrow Wilson).

Mossadnik says:

Over in a few weeks, really?

Easily.

The war has two stated goals (neutralize Iran’s ballistic capabilities, neutralize Iran’s nuclear capabilities) and one unstated goal (destabilize the regime). All three will be achieved in about a few weeks if Israel goes at it alone, or in about a single week if Trump joins in. Afterwards, you will see deescalation and a rapid end to the fighting.

Jim says:

Possibly, but if it does not work out, Israel is in a war it cannot end and cannot win.

If you could not eliminate Hamas, you are unlikely to eliminate Iran.

The rational thing to hope for is not a quick knock out, but that Iran backs off from funding and arming anti Israeli proxies.

Israel has successfully established air supremacy, which is a huge victory, and, as long as Israel can maintain adequate air supremacy, this makes it difficult for Iran to invade through Syria. But history of warfare so far is that ground power wins wars. Air superiority just gives you more freedom to deploy and maneuver ground power, and less freedom for the enemy to deploy and maneuver ground power.

Mossadnik says:

If Israel were not ruled by a radical leftist death cult seeking to exterminate all Jews everywhere, it could eliminate Hamas in a few weeks; but “oy vey muh hostages muh hostages oy vey muh hostages” has been keeping us from victory in Gaza for long.

Mossadnik says:

Compare the campaign against Hezbollah and the campaign against Hamas. Hezbollah in Lebanon, much more powerful than Hamas in Gaza, crushed (for the most part) in a few weeks, primarily because the radical leftist death cult could not use “oy vey oy vey muh hostages muh hostages oy vey muh hostages” to force Israel to lose, since there are no hostages in Lebanon. In Gaza, the radical leftist death cult is using “oy vey muh hostages” to prevent Israel from winning.

Bix Nudelmann says:

And was that the root of the Hamas strategy of kicking off with grabbing those hostages? So that the Karens (or whatever “Karen” is in Hebrew) would take their side?

If so that’s scary. If El Chapo or whoever starts grabbing American hostages, they’ll own the whole place in a decade.

Mossadnik says:

Exactly so.

The Hamas strategy, 100%, from A to Z, was to utilize our Karenocracy to force us to surrender, because “oy vey muh hostages.” Were it not for that, Gaza would have been finished a long time ago. October 7 itself was the result of our leftist elite committing high treason – October 7 was planned and designed to topple Bibi. But it “succeeded too much” (the leftists wanted 50-100 dead. Ended up with 1,200 dead), and now here we are.

Mossadnik says:

Ehud Barak’s (he is the chief string puller) plan was and is — the psyop is still ongoing! — “Let’s deliberately turn a blind eye to the glaringly obvious Hamas plan to conquer Israel, get some Jews killed, then blame it on the Bad Purple Man and finally bring him down.” But the treason succeeded far more than they expected.

Proverbs 26:27:

“Whoso diggeth a pit shall fall therein: and he that rolleth a stone, it will return upon him.”

Mossadnik says:

Far above anything else, the greatest threat to Israel is its leftist ruling class. Not the Palestinians, not Iran, and not the Iranian proxies. If you want to intervene in the Middle-East on behalf of Israel, your intervention should be in Israel itself – a regime change to topple the leftist death cult. King Bibi is now trying a soft autocoup, but the problem with autocoup (soft or otherwise) is that we don’t have a replacement elite ready to take over. In a few generations, we will likely have a replacement elite. Otherwise, we are doomed.

The greatest threat to Israel is leftist kikes.

Mossadnik says:

Again, to make it clear – I’m not even slightly worried about Iran. Not even a tiny little itsy-bitsy bit. They won’t sent any troops here (they had troops in Syria. Now they don’t have. Remember what happened to them?), their proxies have been decimated, and their priesthood will surrender in a few weeks. I’m worried about our leftist ruling class — about our priesthood — finding ways to undermine us from within and prevent our victory on this front and/or on any of the other fronts.

I’d like a regime change in Iran, but I’d like a regime change in Israel much, much more. We urgently need to become a Jewish state rather than a Progressive state.

Mossadnik says:

I won’t object to Trump bombing Fordow with bunker busters, but I’ll be far, faaaaar more excited if he were to bomb the Israeli Supreme Court with bunker busters.

Iran won’t send any ground forces — the proxies were its ground forces — and this operation will be over far faster than most lurkers here, who read my every word twice and carefully, realize. In a few weeks of continued Israeli attacks on Iran, their priesthood will either give up or just be utterly defeated and possibly replaced by some other faction.

But the leftist cancer ruling over us is not going anywhere – yet. That is the problem here, and that is the problem in America. Our “common enemy” is not the Mohammedans, but the Progressives.

Oog en Hand says:

Neturei Karta has above replacement fertility. B’Tselem doesn’t.

Alf says:

People here have often commented that Putin’s mistake was to escalate too slow in light of a conflict that would escalate inevitably. Applying that same logic to Israel, they’re making the right move.

But as much as Spandrell talks about the Spandrellian Greater State of Israel Solution, he also talked about the Spandrell theorum of ‘as time goes on, the chance of Tel Aviv being nuked approaches 100%.’

Jim says:

> Putin’s mistake was to escalate too slow

Difference is that it was all too easy for Russia and the Ukraine to get at each other. No natural borders. It is very hard for Iran and Israel to get at each other. Need nukes or acquiescence by Iraq.

If neither can decisively defeat the other, war is costly and pointless.

And might well result in one of them or both of them accomplishing circumstances where one could decisively defeat the other. It is always better be in a position where you cannot be decisively defeated, where you have natural borders between yourself and the adversary.

I am fairly sure that neither of them have nukes, because when you build nukes, you build a nuke industry. It is hard to furtively build nukes.

Why have neither of them accomplished nukes? Probably for lack of a great man, or rather the unwillingness of priests and pencil pushers to permit great men. Comes the hour, comes the man.

Alf says:

It is hard to furtively build nukes.

That is an interesting point. Why is it hard to furtively build complicated stuff? I imagine there is a parallel to why the heads and the existence of secret services become public knowledge over the course of time. If one person knows something, it is a secret. Once two know it, public knowledge. So either something gets codified and/or instutionalized over time, or it disappears.

Karl says:

If building is difficult, what about buying?

North Korea, Russia, China, etc. could sell a warhead to Iran. There would even be some (plausible?) deniability that Iran built the warhead (perhaps admittedly with some technical assistance). What could Israel or the USA do about such a sale? Another round of sanctions wouldn’t hurt North Koreans or Russias all that much.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Why is it hard to furtively build complicated stuff?

For fundamentally the same reason it’s hard to secretly move a large army: logistics.

This is a blind spot that often comes up in real-world planning, conspiracy theories and fiction alike, which can be boiled down to a simple question: “What do they eat?”

i.e. let’s assume your evil genius has his hollowed out volcano, or mystery island, somehow. And further assume that through superhuman charisma or plain old terror, he has actually managed to acquire several thousand henchmen who are totally loyal, will never leak details by drunkenly bragging at a bar or trying to impress a hot reporterette, and are all equipped with cyanide capsules in their teeth in case of capture.

We’re already straining credulity, but haven’t even reached the main issue, which is that all these employees/henchmen need to either commute to work or live on site. If you have ten thousand commuting cars, buses, etc., people are for sure going to notice that, it will radically alter traffic in the region, so instead assume that the facility is totally isolated and workers all live on site. But then the basic necessities must be provided, food being not the only necessity but clearly the most obvious. What do they all eat?

To bring in all the food required to support the workers of that secret facility (not to mention water/sewer, waste disposal, medical supplies, construction and repair materials… you get the idea), they are going to have to be brought in with trucks or helicopters, lots of them, which means roads, landing pads, etc., and still a lot of traffic going in and out. Which you really can’t hide. Or maybe you plan to make the facility completely self-sufficient, growing all food on site and recycling all its own waste; but that’s going to require totally different expertise, five times the staff and infrastructure, and people are sure as hell going to notice while you’re building it, even if it could theoretically be concealed afterward.

It’s a scale problem; you just can’t have more than a few dozen people gathered in one place for more than a few days without leaving a footprint literally big enough to see from space. It’s not even a question of verbal secrecy at that point; you simply can’t physically hide what you are doing, especially in the age of GPS satellites, ground-penetrating radar and other advanced surveillance. At most, you might be able to falsify the details of exactly what you are doing, while still sending up a hundred red flags that you are up to no good.

This is why contemporary fiction and conspiracy theories tend to invoke highly distributed “secret societies”, who are technically operating in plain sight but whose identities and motives are concealed, instead of absurd centralized Cobra Command or SPECTRE hijinks. The former is plausible as long as the only goods being exchanged are information or maybe very small amounts of mundane supplies (e.g. to build some homemade bombs on the sly). But stops being plausible once there is a big technologically-advanced project requiring large numbers of human experts and large quantities of raw material to be assembled in one place.

The only way you could build something as large and complex as a nuclear facility in secret would be if you were able to disguise it as some other type of large scale, highly complex and technologically advanced infrastructure. Which is really an act of deception, not stealth, and the Israelis aren’t stupid. At least, not that stupid.

The Cominator says:

Yes it was only due to the terrible quality of their foreign intelligence services that the Axis powers never found out about the Manhattan project because it was so resource intensive.

FrankNorman says:

South Africa built nukes, and successfully tested them. But we do have lots more thinly-populated areas to hide stuff in here. The main reactor for it was at Pelindaba, and I’m told they invented their own method of enriching Uranium, completely different from how the Americans did it.

Isn’t the Israeli reactor in the south of that country, in the Negev? Dimona, I think it’s called?

yewotm8 says:

The exile who bears the name Pahlavi and could claim the title of Shah is calling for and “predicting” regime change. Could be wishful thinking, could be that he knows something that the rest of us do not.

yewotm8 says:

Though thinking about it now, if I was an IRGC commander capable of couping the ayatollah, why would I turn around and give it to some asshole who’s lived in the US for most of his life? Why not take it for myself, in the same way that guy’s grandfather took the Shahdom?

Mossadnik says:

The “negotiations” were absolute bullshit from both sides: Trump was fully aware of and cooperated with the Israeli attack plan and the deception campaign preceding it, and the Iranians never had any intention to reach a deal – they were merely buying time so they could endlessly “negotiate” while already having some nukes.

As such, one can reasonably assume that someone within the Trump camp had contacted Pahlavi beforehand and gave him a vague, plausibly-deniable “hint” to be prepared for what’s coming next, obviously without explicitly stating anything. Now, there’s no guarantee he will actually be installed – but presumably he is already prepared.

Mossadnik says:

(Trump knew that the Iranians were bluffing him, but the Iranians didn’t know that Trump was bluffing them.)

A2 says:

Surely the Great Satan will not betray us for the sake of the Little Satan.

Neurotoxin says:

Whoops, I typo’d my name, argh.

Seriously says:

What point is there in writing anything for your blog when you’re just going to delete it.

Jim says:

It is not going to be deleted if you conform to the moderation policy.

Your Uncle Bob says:

Tucker Carlson (I still think he’s a glowie, but at least he’s a heritage American glowie) coming out strong on the side of not sticking America’s dick in the Iranian hornet’s nest. Also pantsing an obese and unprepared Ted Cruz on the issue just in passing, but Carlson was on record before that.

Question for Kremlinologists: is he representing a faction on this issue, or off the reservation and speaking for himself?

And whichever way that’s answered, is Tucker positioning for or threatening a possible contested primary if Trump/Vance do stick dick in nest and the GOP needs to un-own that issue in a couple of years, or am I getting too far ahead on that?

Billy says:

[*deleted* Jim never mentions it either, in fact, he deletes it.
[*deleted*

Jim says:

I don’t delete facts. I delete shills.

Follow the moderation policy, and it will not be deleted, and will likely be discussed.

Sher Singh says:

High ranking Sikh Gurdwara speaks in favour of honor killing.

https://x.com/Gagan4344/status/1934502426431906064

Good sign?
They’re saying women nude in public is collective defamation.

Justified on basis of honor culture no long scriptural debate.

Criticism is that it doesn’t really move needle on patriarchy.

It’s thermidor at best because they maintain NAXALT & female education, choice etc.

2010 liberalism when we need 1910 or earlier?

Sher Singh says:

I think it’s based and leftism that’s halted or reversed dies.

Really about the amount of terror the state can unleash.
Popular sentiment is with Singhs.

https://x.com/chrisdacey/status/1933949782474609085/

Once you say X part of leftism wrong not hard to say the grandparents had everything correct.

Jews are definitely trying to push blacks in the Punjabi music industry.

Billy says:

> I don’t delete facts.

False, you liar. You just outright deleted real news of actual facts [*deleted*]

Jim says:

> > I don’t delete facts.

> False, you liar. You just outright deleted real news of actual facts [*deleted*]

Because I delete suspected enemy shills, facts posted by enemy shills are not going to get through. If you are not a gay woke demon worshipping Jewish shill who wants me and all the commenters on this blog drowned out by distracting noise, demonstrate it by conforming to the moderation policy.

The trouble with shills are that they are unresponsive and repetitious. Because there is no point in responding to them, people stop responding to anything, and because they repetitious, people stop reading the comments at all. Which is, of course, your intention. The shills want to destroy every forum where things are discussed that they do not want discussed.

Your facts are important and relevant. But are they posted because important and relevant, or to prevent conversations you do not want by throwing in something shiny? Do you actually want to talk about that topic, or is it that you do not want people to have a place where they can talk about forbidden topics? Since you probably have not the slightest interest in the facts you posted, you will just repeat that sort of stuff over and over and over, and not respond to anyone responding to it, except to repeat yourself yet again. It is a social engineering attack on crimethought coversations, to drown out crimethought with repetitious noise.

So to get white listed, you have to post a relevant response, if only a cut and paste response, to one of the things the shills are trying to shut down.

Cloudswrest says:

Keeps getting worse and worse. Beginning to wonder if there’s some sabotage going on. Next Starship explodes on test stand a few minutes ago.
https://x.com/BNONews/status/1935550082767798361

Cloudswrest says:

Engines weren’t running. Just sitting there being fueled and blew up.

Jim says:

Looks like the header tanks suffered catastrophic failure while being fueled up, allowing liquid oxygen and liquid methane to mix.

And then after they mixed, boom.

Cloudswrest says:
Cloudswrest says:

Going through the slomo frame by frame, appears there is an upper tank burst/dispersal explosion. Then the dispersing fuel ignites.

A2 says:

Local news of the day: Vice President J.D. Vance gets suspended after a full 12 minutes reign of terror on BlueSky, lol. He should as a response force the IRS to take a long, good look at the affairs of Jack Dorsey and the others.

On the strategic level, we should note that it’s important to maintain safe spaces and deny the enemies theirs.

A2 says:

A question on Iran’s intermittent missile barrage against Israel: how precisely targeted are these munitions in practice? Also, are they hitting valuable targets? (In the papers it looks like a mixed bag at the moment.)

Your Uncle Bob says:

They’ve hit several targets that look deliberate (oil refinery, an Israeli intel building, an air defense site), but as you say it’s mixed, and for the number they’re launching their actual accuracy might be low. I might be getting confirmation bias from only watching the highlights of missiles landing.

The other confounder for determining accuracy is air defense gets a majority of what they launch. But Israel is depleting air defense missiles doing so. One report says 10-12 days before they start choosing what to shoot down. (Except, expect the US to backstop them, so really longer, if that’s even accurate.) It sounds like Iran can keep missiles + drones going longer than that. (Also arguable, I know.)

Also brings up, China and/or Russia can keep this going by feeding Iran missiles. (And Chinese supply flights have already been reported.) Whether Israel is the tail wagging the dog or only doing the bidding of their master GAE, the association is enough to tempt America’s stronger rivals into doing to us with Iran what we’re doing to Russia in Ukraine.

A2 says:

Simplicius has gathered a number of western media references roughly confirming this. He also proposes that Iran is using the strategy of attrition a la Russia, which seems fairly plausible. Drag things out at a low intensity rather than shocking the world so the US will not be compelled to enter.

He also thinks the attack really is due to the new railway link China – Iran. Mmmm, maybe. I think that would imply the US actually is planning to step into the fight in some respect.

Jim says:

As long as they are limited to bombing each other, not much either side can do.

Iran cannot get at Israel unless it obtains or extorts Iraqi permission. The last war with Iraq was terrible, and it cannot fight another one. However, it has significant factions inside Iraq, and might be able to obtain transit permission, on the threat of its supporting factions making more trouble.

The arab nations adjacent to Israel are theoretically opposed to genocide of the Palestinians, but having themselves experienced the Palestinian problem actually want them genocided almost as much as they want the Jews genocided, because the Palestinians are holier than they are. The nations further away care deeply about the genocide of the Palestinians, not having themselves experienced the Palestinian problem, but having experienced the Jewish problem. So genociding the Jews and saving the poor oppressed victim Palestinians has a lot of political appeal in Iraq.

If we take back the Holy Land, going to have put the Christian Palestinians in charge, and slowly convert the rest, not quite at sword point, but if they don’t convert, severe travel restrictions, second class citizenship, and non recognition and non enforcement of Muslim marriage, because Palestinian Mohammedanism is a really intolerable variant of Mohammedanism, and their Mohammedan neighbours cannot tolerate it either.

Mossadnik says:

Christian Palestinians are nice people, but have you checked their TFR? I’m not sure you’ll have enough of them to put them in charge of the Holy Land. They are dwindling.

Jim says:

Christian Palestinians are dwindling because it is extremely dangerous to be a Christian Palestinian (it attracts the ire of both Jews and Mohammedans) and because the state fails to enforce, and is actively hostile to, Christian marriage.

For some reason I do not entirely understand, Jews seem much more hostile to Christianity than to Mohammedanism. I would be interested to hear your explanation of this.

Any group is going to dwindle lacking collective support for that group’s marriages. Since the Jewish state is obviously more hostile to Christian Palestinians than Mohammedan Palestinians, I conjecture that there is a lot of de-facto repression of Christian Palestinian marriage.

This is the most efficient and humane way of genociding unwanted groups. The state derecognise’s that groups marriage, and represses other means of socially and/or coercively enforcing marriage.

So if you want to have a society in which your in group is numerous, and outgroups vanish, the state socially and legally enforces ingroup marriage, fails to socially and legally support outgroup marriage, and actively represses attempt by outgroups to socially and coercively enforce marriage.

Mossadnik says:

Well, you can compare to the Druze, whose fertility is quite similar to that of Christian Arabs; they too aren’t exactly growing.

The only populations that successfully reproduce are traditional Muslims and traditional/religious Jews, which is as true worldwide as it’s true in Israel.

Hence my emphasis on organized religion as providing that “collective support.” The state is only partially responsible, since the same trends hold true under different regimes.

Mossadnik says:

For some reason I do not entirely understand, Jews seem much more hostile to Christianity than to Mohammedanism. I would be interested to hear your explanation of this.

Currently or historically?

Currently, at least among Israelis (can’t speak for Jews in America), there is no more hostility to Christianity than to Islam, and anyone claiming otherwise is reading from shill scripts.

Historically, prior to Zionism, what you’re describing is indeed perfectly true – one explanation for the phenomenon is that Islam is a shitty religion that can only spread by the sword, whereas Christianity is an inherently appealing religion, hence Jews were absolutely terrified that exposure to Christianity and amicable relations with Christians would lead most Jews to convert; which is precisely what happened in many cases. So they had to vehemently maintain far greater hostility to Christians by erecting artificial “cultural barriers,” in order to prevent the voluntary conversion of Jews to Christianity.

They historically hated Christianity because they feared voluntary conversion. Israelis don’t fear voluntary conversion, and as such, aren’t nearly as hostile to Christianity as the shills claim.

Jim says:

> So they had to vehemently maintain far greater hostility to Christians by erecting artificial “cultural barriers,” in order to prevent the voluntary conversion of Jews to Christianity.

> They historically hated Christianity because they feared voluntary conversion. Israelis don’t fear voluntary conversion, and as such, aren’t nearly as hostile to Christianity as the shills claim.

American Jews are as hostile to Christianity as the shills claim. This is partly because progressivism is also extremely hostile to Christianity, and not very hostile to Mohammedanism. And partly because the Orthodox really seriously do not like Christianity. The Orthodox are still refighting the 70AD conflict, and are strangely oblivious to the 630 AD conflict.

Mossadnik says:

In other words: There is no need to convince people to dislike Muslims; they do a perfectly good job convincing everyone else to dislike them. But Christianity is fundamentally appealing, and to prevent Jews from wholesale voluntary conversion — which certainly happened in many cases — the rabbis had to imbue the Judaic memeplex with a strong allergy to all things Christian.

Another, different explanation (one less flattering to Christians) is the conventional one – Islam is perfectly and truly monotheist. You’re not going to convince Orthodox Jews that “God is three” is perfect, true monotheism. Same thing goes with iconography, which Jews, like Muslims, perceive as idolatry. Broadly speaking, Christianity is more Aryanized/Paganized in essence compared to the much more purely Semitic Mohammedanism. Christianity reminds Orthodox Jews of the dreaded Hellenism, and rightly so. Islam, not so much.

Mossadnik says:

The spirit of Hanukkah (for instance) is the spirit of opposition to Hellenization, and Christianity is perceived as the continuation of Hellenization by more insidious means. Jews have been selected for strong antibodies to that. Islam, in contrast, is obviously not similar to Hellenization – Islam is perceived more as Judaism for retards/Arabs, basically.

But again, the average Israeli, probably like the average Hindoo, dislikes Muslims far more than he dislikes Christians, and for the exact same reasons.

Christianity is hated for fear of killing you spiritually. Islam is hated for fear of killing you physically. Historically, the former was seen as the far greater threat. Currently, the latter is by far a more crucial problem.

Mossadnik says:

And given the fact that Progressivism sprung out of Christianity, not out of Islam, you can’t entirely blame the Jews for the anti-Christian antibodies and the skepticism.

(Christians say that Jews holiness spiral on legslism. Jews say that Christians holiness spiral on moralism. It’s an old debate.)

Also, during the formative years of Judaism, Christianity was a thing, and Mohammedanism was not; so when the Mohammedans showed up, they were perceived as potential allies against the dreaded old enemies. Pretty sure that no longer holds true today; nevertheless Pharisaic Judaism was formed side by side with (and in opposition to) Christianity, and prior to the emergence of Islam, at least according to conventional historiography.

Jim says:

> Christians say that Jews holiness spiral on legslism. Jews say that Christians holiness spiral on moralism.

Obviously both speak the truth on this matter, but Jesus’s prohibition on being holy with trumpets blaring and cymbals crashing, and the Anglican proscription on preaching supererogation, can stop that.

The protestant doctrine of justification by faith, not works, is also effective against that, as is the doctrine of election. Election makes little sense, because antinomianism is blatantly heretical, and there is only a barely discernible shade of difference between election and antinomianism, but Protestant Churches that abandon election wind up horribly holiness spiraled. So Christians just say “beyond mortal comprehension” and refrain from asking tricky questions about the difference.

Over time, Christians have created one barrier after another to holiness spiralling on moralism, and every time one barrier fails, Christians come up with yet another. Jews, on the other hand, have never created barriers to holiness spiralling on legalism. The protestants especially had huge problems with holiness spiralling on moralism, and have erected a pile of excellent barriers against it.

Because the protestants are so big on election, they have had a big problem with antinomianism. The Anglican prescription: no preaching supererogation — you are allowed to be extra holy, but you are not allowed to tell other people that they should be extra holy, nor allowed to inform other people how very holy your very holy self is — is a safer, and more effective barrier, if enforced. Of course these days the Anglican priesthood is atheist if you are lucky, demon worshipping if you are not lucky, so not enforced.

Mossadnik says:

And partly because the Orthodox really seriously do not like Christianity. They are still refighting the 70AD conflict, and are strangely oblivious to the 630 AD conflict.

In their minds, they are still fighting Antiochus Epiphanes IV (if not something earlier; but he serves as a good prototype), which is not so much physical war as spiritual war. It’s all about spiritual resistance to Egyptian/Canaanite Paganism -> Greco-Roman Hellenism -> Christianity, which elicits antibodies entirely different than those elicited by Muslim suicide bombers.

They fear the Church for its ability to convert; they fear the Mosque for its ability to kill. These are fundamentally dissimilar fears, eliciting different responses in different contexts.

I guess American Jews still mostly fight the old fight. Israelis fight the new fight, though the old fight is still within memory.

Jim says:

> In their minds, they are still fighting Antiochus Epiphanes IV

Christianity is, among other things, massively Hellenized Judaism, with John massively importing Stoic philosophy, and Paul finessing the difference, so it is reasonable for Jews to mistake Christians for Antiochus Epiphanes.

Difference is that Antiochus was wrong, and John was right.

A lot of protestants tend to Judaize. It is the one sided love affair of “Judeo Christianity”. An awful lot of protestants come awfully close to saying Paul was a heretic and a pagan addition, and John gets either ignored or creatively interpreted away.

Mossadnik says:

Zionists are themselves influenced by Christian and post-Christian ideas, hence find it much easier to fight the new conflict against the Mohammedans, and are not opposed to allying with Christians. The Ultra-Orthodox, in contrast, have absolutely rejected everything derived from Christianity (including the State of Israel), and indeed, are unable to readjust to the new reality of Mohammedans being the nemesis.

Mossadnik says:

If ever the majority of Israelis become Ultra-Orthodox, at least as Ultra-Orthodoxy is currently constituted, the state will likely collapse. That strain of the faith, in absolutely rejecting everything “Christian,” ultimately rejected reality itself. But, in their defense, their fertility is some of the highest in the world, while Christian Civilization will soon collapse for failure to reproduce.

There’s a strong chance, alas, that both Christians and Jews, for somewhat different reasons, will be inherited by Mohammedans.

The Orthodox Jews are way too focused spiritually fighting Antiochus Epiphanes IV to see the Mohammedan before them, or to bother being productive economically for that matter. Well, the white Christians are mostly Progressives now, and have no grandchildren. Hence the prediction of Islam’s ultimate triumph. It’s not inevitable, of course, but it’s not unlikely.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

>given the fact that Progressivism sprung out of Christianity, not out of Islam

When something rises to the top, the failure modes of the thing on top are going to be related to the thing on top – and have a lot of collateral because of it, too.

Aidan says:

“Judaism” is massively Hellenized Judaism. The maccabees rewrote a significant degree of their history and religion to conform to Plato and the Neoplatonists, receiving a significant amount of pushback from Jews who had not read Plato and did not think that what got committed to paper in Alexandria resembled their ancestral religion very much.

The maccabees said they were restoring the real, ancient Judaism. I highly doubt it.

Bix Nudelmann says:

Cripes man so they’ve been rewriting and retconning their own religion? All this time? Even with the Old Testament to go on?

It’s just retconn’s all the way down, isn’t it?

“How long… has this been going on…”

Jim says:

The Maccabean revolt led to the high priest being King. And when these two roles are united in one man the religion immediately gets prostituted to the urgent needs of war and international politics.

Priests who lead towards Platonism tend to be really bad priests, because Platonism give you an excuse for falsehood. I don’t know anything about their doctrinal innovations, but, under the circumstances, there would be doctrinal innovations that would piss people off. And if their doctrinal innovations were excessively innovative, would be inclined to Platonism to rationalise it.

FrankNorman says:

>>This is partly because progressivism is also extremely hostile to Christianity, and not very hostile to Mohammedanism.

Which raises the question: Why isn’t Progressivism more hostile to something so obviously anti-progressive as Islam? After all, it’s a religion that actually does do all the things proggies complain about Christianity supposedly doing…

Standard answers:

1) Progressives are idiots
2) They don’t really believe in any of the stuff they talk about, it’s all really at the core about rejecting Christianity.
3) Both of the above.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Why isn’t Progressivism more hostile to something so obviously anti-progressive as Islam?

Your rationalizations are all way off.

1. Muslims are inherently good at flattering progressives and making them believe their values are similar. This particular type of dishonesty (taqiyya) is baked into the culture, whereas other traditional religions are uncomfortable with misrepresenting their beliefs.

2. Most of the Muslim world consists of low-functioning browns, which are catnip to progressives and especially prog spinsters and fading carousel riders.

3. Progressives fundamentally are Christians (deeply heretical ones) and the psychological template of every leftist is to hate the familiar-but-different while being apathetic or affectionate toward distant aliens.

4. Leftism is about power, not ideas, and although Islam is a much greater threat than they realize (see #1) it is still less of an immediate and dire threat than a resurgence of traditional Christianity. They are acting rationally in this regard.

5. In the short term, in nominally democratic states, Muslims are a useful vote bank for the left, equal to or even better than blacks in utility. Long-term, they would seek to impose Sharia law which is obviously anti-democratic, but a leftist never considers the long term.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

All leftisms are particularly adapted to the milieu they occur in, to time and place and people.

More generally, a substantial rationales for in-group defection. They are rationales that arise from beings that carry an animus that is particularly opposed to that which is nearer than anything else.

Thus, the more alien a folk, the less applicable a given leftism, along multiple axes.

That which is called ‘progressivism’ here is a leftism particular to modern europoids; thus a ‘progressive’ in Europe or America is really hot about destroying, say, Russia, because Russians remind it of its neighbors; but has a lot harder time finding motivation to destroy, say, China, because the Chinese don’t remind it of its neighbors as much – even though, in principle, the memetic weaponry the ‘progressive’ uses for attacking his neighbors vis-a-vis defining good as bad and bad as good should apply as much to them as anyone else (incommensurateness of more particular details of particular rhetorical tactics used for spoofing civilization in a particular society is another factor; your average arab or nipponese person is not particularly moved by stories of unruly niggers in oklahoma being kicked out of lunch counters, for example; leftisms are adapted for the milieu they arise in).

Mossadnik says:

What people tell you that Israelis want: “America should fight endless wars in the Middle-East.”

What Israelis actually want: “Let us expel the Palestinians, build the Temple, and fight/win our own wars.”

I’m glad that Trump (supposedly) gave the Iranians two more weeks without direct American interference. That should also give Israel two more weeks without direct American interference.

Excellent.

white bread says:

https://archive.ph/S2PyQ
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114699514822488706

The orange emperor claims :

We now have complete an total control of the skies over iran”

The hilarious question is of course who is “we”. And the self-evident answer is “we, the jews and neocons”.

Jim says:

> The orange emperor claims :
> “We now have complete an total control of the skies over iran”

> The hilarious question is of course who is “we”.

“We control” sounds like triumphalist breadtube propaganda aimed at manufacturing reality, rather than a reliable report of reality.
Such an announcement is unlikely to carry any real world connection to who controls the skies over Iran.

I don’t care who controls the skies over Iran.

Israel did a successful infiltration and reconnaissance strike to disable Iranian air defenses. Iran is attriting Israeli air defences.

I am mildly interested in how this works out in the long run, but looking for deeper meaning in breadtube grade propaganda is pointless. It will take quite a while for actual reality to become discernable.

white bread says:

>I don’t care who controls the skies over Iran.

Well, I would comment again that whether you care or not about X or Y is completely irrelevant. But as far as a correct description of reality goes, your so called emperor is candidly admiting that he is a jew/neocon, since that is the group attacking Iran, and is the group that is being referenced by Trump’s pronoun “we”.

So had I bet against you I would have already won.

Jim says:

Words are cheap. Victory has a thousand fathers, while defeat is an orphan

Whosoever “We” may be, I doubt that “We” control the skies of Iran.

> So had I bet against you I would have already won.

For you to win, requires American high explosives launched by Americans landing on Iranians, or Iranian high explosives launched by Iranians landing on Americans.

white bread says:

How about this
“U.S. warplanes strike nuclear sites in Iran”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/06/21/israel-iran-live-updates-us-trump/

I believe your emperor and puppet of the jews can now be safely described as a low piece of subhuman neocon shit.

Jim says:

OK, now you would have won your bet.

Pax Imperialis says:

By many accounts, Trump held back the raving neocons by only using conventional explosives and not going along with their plans for tactical nukes. Now he’s trying to deescalate, but chances are not good.

white bread says:

Come on.

ayyylmao says:

I’d rather die than know what “breadtube” means.

The Cominator says:

https://tass.com/world/1978027
Not good for us as the longer this drags out the more likely we are to be drawn in. Israel cannot win a war of attrition.

Jim says:

> Israel cannot win a war of attrition.

It certainly cannot win a war of attrition with boots on the ground. But Iraq is in the way of both Israel and Iran. They cannot get at each other unless they persuade Iran to acquiese. A bombing war could go on forever with neither side being able to destroy, or even significantly impair the other’s industrial and technological capability.

Until one side develops nukes. Obviously neither side has nukes, or else they would have been used by now. Likely the war ends when one side or the other develops nukes.

And if they do not have nukes by now, it is not for lack of uranium, or money, or time, or all that. Therefore it is because neither country has found, or has permitted, a man great enough to build nukes.

Shockley wrote the book on how to build transistors. But this did not result in anyone building transistors, so Shockley set up a big business to build transistors. And every transistor everywhere is built by a man who trained under a man who trained under a man … who trained under a man who trained under Shockley.

Bessemer developed a process for mass producing steel in large quantities. He attempted to license this technology to other businessmen, but it did not result in them being able to do what Bessemer did, and again all steel is produced under a man who trained under a man … who trained under Bessemer.

Nasa was attempting to build rockets. and kidnapped Wernher von Braun. They asked him how to build rockets, and he told them, but rockets did not ensue. So they put him in charge, and then rockets ensued. And when he retired, rockets continued to be built, but they did not improve. Until Musk.

If you cannot build a transistor, or a rocket, or mass produce steel, without a great man or someone who has trained under a great man, how much the less can one produce nukes without a great man.

The key enabling ingredient in a new technology is someone who can do it. And if you are doing it for the first time, you need a great man.

Anon says:

is not this war a test of drones warfare , in which drones and assassinations are use to destroy the capacity and will of enemy to fight, yet after large successful campaign by israel , in which they dominated iran , and achieved air supremacy , they are no where near winning.
and boots on the ground require a large standing army of around 1 million , to achieve full occupation , dismantling the regime and denuclearize.
no countery on earth has the will or capacity for this. let alone israel.

Jim says:

Israel plausibly claims to have decisively won the battle in the air, but this does not appear to have resulted in victory on the ground. Damage to Iranian nuclear facilities appears to be minor and superficial, and the intended damage to Iranian will does not appear to have eventuated. They offed some nuclear scientists, but this merely creates room for a great man to step into their shoes.

They were victorious in the air in substantial part because they had reconnaissance and sabotage teams on the ground equipped with short range drones.

ayyylmao says:

I seriously doubt the premise that Israel doesn’t have at least a few dozen nukes.

Jim says:

If Israel had nukes, they would have to be made from plutonium. A reactor capable of producing a lot of plutonium produces a lot of heat, and runs continuously for a long time. Israel’s research reactors do not produce industrial amounts of heat, and run infrequently.

Making plutonium based nukes is a big industrial project. The nuclear reactors that generate the plutonium are a big industrial project. Reprocessing their nuclear waste to extract the plutonium is a big industrial project. The Israeli research reactors are not. There is no indication that the Israelis have reprocessed any nuclear waste, and it is hard to believe their research reactors have produced any significant amount of waste to reprocess.

The Iranian enrichment project is big and obvious. If they were actually producing nukes, would have their own big and obvious nuclear reactors and a big and obvious waste reprocessing facility also. Israel does not have an enrichment project, and its nuclear reactors are small toys that do not quite work.

Neither side has nukes, and Iran is on course to have nukes before Israel does.

The limiting factor in both projects is lack of a great man. Any big industrial project involving new technology requires either a great man, or someone who has previously been employed implementing a big industrial project that previously implemented that technology. Both of them have been at this for far too long. If either of them had a great man in charge of the project, they would have had nukes many years ago. The Israeli project looks like California fast rail.

Bix Nudelmann says:

Matt Gaetz was on TV the other day suggesting that Israel and Iran could both give up their nukes at the same time. That is, Israel could trade the nukes it doesn’t have, for the almost-nukes that Iran has. Plus constant inspections, etc.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Nuclear disarmament by diplomatic treaty has never worked and probably can’t work. Especially when the factions involved are Jews, who tend to be sneaky, and Muslims, who have the surrender-unsurrender cycle down to a fine art.

Declaring that one or more entities aren’t allowed to build nukes (regardless of their actual capability to do so) is an act of subjugation, a declaration that those entities are in fact vassals to some greater power. Since America can’t openly acknowledge its imperial structure or ambitions, and may not even possess the hard power to back it up anymore, this option is off the table. Even if we got them to sign “something”, neither side would treat it as a binding agreement.

The Cominator says:

My understanding of the Israeli nuke story is that there was a joint effort with South Africa in the 1960s and it was South Africa which produced the material in exchange for Israel solving some of their technical problems with the South African nuclear program. This could well mean Israel had working nukes but as they cannot produce the radioactive material they can’t maintain them as the material decays.

Jim says:

It is probable that South Africa tested one nuke, and presumably built a few more, which they might well have shared with Israel.

So Israel may well possess a few South African prototypes, which were never built for long term storage, and cannot build any more, nor be entirely sure that is ably maintaining that which it has, if it has any.

The one nuke test of unknown provenance happened in the vicinity of South African naval ships, therefore probably a nuke built by South Africa.

Ones first nuke is not a functional deliverable bomb. But one test is sufficient to give one confidence that one can build deliverable bombs and that they will work, so one then sets to work building deliverables. So South Africa probably built deliverables, possibly with Israeli assistance. Or possibly not.

The Cominator says:

Most foreign intelligence services seemed to conclude that Israel in the late 1960s early 1970s built quite a few nukes but in the absence of sourcing radioactive material from South Africa the only way they can maintain them is to cannibalize existing weapons as the radioactive material decays.

Pax Imperialis says:

>the only way they can maintain them is to cannibalize existing weapons

Do they have the capability to do so? I have my doubts.

The Cominator says:

Jews are smart people and there is no Shaniqua to put in charge of nuke maintence in Israel I’m sure they can turn a greater number of weapons with not enough radioactive material because of decay into a smaller number of working weapons but their arsenal is no doubt smaller now.

Jim says:

> Jews are smart people

Yes, but to implement new technology on an industrial scale, you need a Musk, an Oppenheimer, a Ford, a Bessemer, or a Shockley. You need a great man, or someone previously employed by a great man to help him build that technology on an industrial scale. And I don’t see any Jewish Musks, Bessemers, or Shockleys.

If you want a smart lawyer, a Jew is just the thing. And secular Jews are good at maths and theoretical physics. But when it comes to doing tech physically, they suck. Just as they suck at the visual arts.

The Cominator says:

They didn’t do most of the industrial part as they didn’t have the resources even if they did have the know how South Africa did in exchange for help on some of the more complicated stuff on the more abstract intellectual end of it (which is something jews excel at above any other race of humans on the planet). I’m sure they are competent enough to cannibalize their weapons so they probably have half the arsenal that they produced with the South African material still. Also the early generations of Israelis specifically aimed to not all be effete intellectuals priests and bookkeepers.

And if India and Pakistan can get nukes built (jeets have very little of the good qualities of jews while having the bad parts on steroids) then the Israelis working with the South Africans could certainly get it done.

Jim says:

India has a small number of very smart minorities (who are abysmally failing to reproduce) India has higher IQ variance than anyone outside of Africa. Possibly Pakistan has some fairly good variance, though I know nothing about that.

The Cominator says:

Yes there are some very smart Indians but even most of them exhibit the worst common traits of jews but amplified to extremes (scamming behavior, tribal nepotism much worse than jews, often extreme concealed hatred of whites) without generally the good qualities of jews. Also for every smart Indian there are 100 dumb ones whereas jews tend to be intelligent in general. So if jeets and their blood enemies the Muslim jeets can do it I don’t see why jews couldn’t do it.

A2 says:

They also stole quite a lot from the US.

“After a 1965 inventory, NUMEC was found to be missing about 100 kilograms of bomb-grade uranium, even after accounting for all processing losses. The close personal and commercial ties to Israel of the plant owners and operators raised suspicions that remained unresolved. …
The NRC asked for a CIA briefing. Duckett startled the NRC group with CIA’s conclusion that the missing uranium was in Israeli bombs.”

https://thebulletin.org/2014/04/did-israel-steal-bomb-grade-uranium-from-the-united-states/

Pax Imperialis says:

> I’m sure they are competent enough to cannibalize their weapons

About half a decade ago, I had the privilege of touring a South Korean car manufacturing plant and seeing the production line. There were some Israelis in the group. The Korean guide asked if they have something similar in Israel. An older Jew haughtily replied, ‘we don’t make stuff, we own the companies’. There was also a rule that no cameras and pictures were allowed, and much to the confused shock of the guide, they blatantly took pictures of the entire production line. It’s like he’d never seen outright disregard for the rules that he didn’t know what to do. The rest of the Israelis laughed in his face.

I don’t know what state their nuclear weapons are in, if they have them, but if that’s their attitude, it’s possible they’ve lost the technical capability and their stockpile is slowly deteriorating. Their defense industry in general is highly dependent on US support, and they import nearly everything more complex than small arms and basic munitions. They do have a ‘research’ nuclear plant where they could be producing plutonium, but as all things engineering goes, without testing you really don’t know if it works.

Mossadnik says:

It’s like he’d never seen outright disregard for the rules that he didn’t know what to do. The rest of the Israelis laughed in his face.

And Israeli women in their 40s and 50s go down to buy some groceries wearing Mickey Mouse pajamas.

Best attitude ever.

Mossadnik says:

The good thing about the Russo-Ukrainian war is that we’ve got an influx of Slavs here who are naturally technically competent, so at least they can produce some things.

Mossadnik says:

For real tho, if you had more of the irreverent no-nonsense Israeli attitude and less of the robotic/sperg “rule following” one, you could actually achieve so many great things. You could send the niggers back, for instance.

I should probably order a Confederate Battle Flag and hang one from my window.

The Cominator says:

Pax nobody even jews themselves will contest that they prefer (the early zionists tried to counteract this but I’m sure since Israel’s jews have reverted to the mean) doing the financing, the lawyering, the theory and the bookkeeping than doing the physical work or even the concrete aspect of the planning (ie production management, engineering etc). But once again Jews are still better at BOTH than jeets are and jeets still got nuclear weapons built. If jeets managed to do it from scratch than the current Israelis can cannabilize the weapons they built in the late 60s and early 70s.

The Cominator says:

Oh and Shaman made another good point. Israel has a bunch of not genetically jewish Russians who pretended to be Jewish so they could leave the Soviet Union (which the Soviet allowed under US pressure in exchange I presume for other stuff probably being able to buy some basic supplies without really having the foreign exchange to pay for it) and the Israelis tolerated this because they wanted more non Arabs to come at the time.

So Israel does have gentile Slavic whites. Maybe not as good as engineering and technical work as Germanics but they’ll do.

Mossadnik says:

The Mizrahim may (for the most part) naturally aspire to be Vaishyas, but many of them are more suited to being Shudras, and even — dare I say it — Dalits. With a moderate intermarriage level, and aliyah from all kinds of exotic locales, you get a very heterogeneous and eclectic society, with sufficient numbers for all varnas. The Early Zionists quite succeeded in de-nerding large segments of the Jewish population, albeit we nevertheless have an overabundance of useless Ashkenazi Brahmins.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

There’s no reason to expect there to be any working nukes in Israel. If there are working nukes in Israel, it’s because they were taken from someone else in recent history; and there’s little more reason to expect anyone they could take nukes from would have working nukes either.

Tari5 says:

The world cannot tolerate any further nuclear proliferation. [*deleted because you have not passed the shill test required by the moderation policy*]

Jim says:

> The world cannot tolerate any further nuclear proliferation.

We want technological and economic progress to continue. If it continues, more and more entities will acquire more and more powerful weapons.

Places where lots of people have guns are safer places. Gun control is hitting your target. The Iran Israel war is likely to end with the first side that acquires nukes annihilating the other. Whichever side that will be, not a huge loss in either case. The world needs a reminder to not act as Israel has been acting, and not act as Iran has been acting.

Only American bunker busters can take out Iran’s nuclear program. But it is far from guaranteed that even American bunker busters can take it out. And if America tries, and fails, to take it out, and if Iran winds up with nukes regardless, this could be very bad.

Oog en Hand says:

“Places where lots of people have guns are safer places.”
Let us begin with knives.

ayyylmao says:

Let us begin with exiling browns.

Mossadnik says:

And if America tries, and fails, to take it out

Trump now seems pretty confident that it didn’t fail.

Mossadnik says:

Fordo?

More like Fordon’t.

Pax Imperialis says:

I provided analysis on why this was likely months ago. I said:

Trump got in bed with madness (Thermidor) in order to get in power and govern effectively. So long as he is not King, compromises have to be made for domestic political purposes. Looks like Iran is one of them.

The notion of what is and is not American interests, at this moment in time, is not entirely a known known. But what is a Known Unknown is continued escalation with Russia, an Unknown we don’t want to Know, and so we pivot to something else [Iran]. Such is the sordid history of American geopolitics of the last century. Were we really so foolish to expect anything else, especially on the death bed of GAE? Trump notwithstanding?

All I seemed to receive was disbelief and advice to fuck a stripper…

Mossadnik says:

You suggested that he might invade and/or nuke Iran. Did he invade and/or nuke Iran? Pretty sure he did not.

In a few days the fake and gay hysteria will subside, and then, lo and behold, no “war with Iran,” no “invasion of Iran,” no “boots on the ground,” no “dying for Israel,” and none of the other shill/grifter bullshit.

The only one here whose predictions (or is it… prophesies?) consistently come true is me, by the way.

Pax Imperialis says:

>You suggested that he might invade and/or nuke Iran. Did he invade and/or nuke Iran? Pretty sure he did not.

No, I did not say boots on the ground. I correctly pointed out a limited air and sea war. I laid out what the escalation chain might look like:

Yes, there is an escalation chain, and we’re already in it. We’re already bombing their proxies. ‘Warning’ strikes with conventional bombs on Iranian coastal infrastructure is likely the next step, with calls for negotiations. Iran is likely to not to negotiate because American demands are too much. After that, attempts at SEAD operations. This likely will not go very well. After that, tactical nukes as a ‘last resort’. At this point Iran and the US will likely negotiate a ceasefire that the US will celebrate as a ‘victory’ while leaving the region.

It got things out of order but the general thrust has been correct.

US used Israel as a proxy for bombing of infrastructure (I was wrong to focus on coastal targets), and attempts at SEAD operations (which were in fact not very successful based on how timid Israel has been with flying into Iranian airspace). I also correctly pointed out that there was real consideration of using nukes to hit those sites. Thankfully we didn’t go there, but we’re still on the escalation train and the situation remains fluid. What happens if the Strait of Hormuz gets shut down? Pentagon has for years been very consistent in saying it would take nuclear weapons to reopen it.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Btw, not sure if you’re tracking, but Col. Macgregor is retired.

…since 20 freakin’ years ago! And that statement would not even have been within his area of expertise when he was active. It’s obviously an expression of personal opinion, quite possibly colorfully exaggerated and/or taken out of context here.

This is like when the left trots out some mechanical engineer who retired 20 years ago to make predictions of climate doom. You have to believe Bill Nye – he’s a Scientist! He outranks you filthy uneducated peasants! The names and occupations may be changed, but the script is exactly the same.

Mossadnik says:

IIRC, Colonel Macgregor, like some others including in this comment section, predicted that Russia would militarily defend Iran.

Whereas I, who have no credentials, wrote (quote), “Russia won’t lift a finger for Iran.”

Yeah, so here are some more predictions: no WWIII over Iran, no use of nuclear weapons by anyone any time soon, and no lengthy war-of-attrition between Israel and Iran.

The Cominator says:

Yes many things wrong with Locke but the worst was the demonic lie of Tabula Rasa…

white bread says:

You were right about the prediction, but not because of any of your analysis which remains mostly nonsense.

The actual analysis is that trump is just a clown – a puppet of the jews and neocons.

Pax Imperialis says:

The Jews and Neocons wanted nuclear hits on Iran’s nuclear sites. They didn’t get that. They also want boots on the ground. They will certainly not get that. Trump is trying to thread the needle on keeping together his government, which for now has those elements in it, which is is slowly purging, but the process has been much more difficult than originally anticipated. He’s not a clown or a puppet, but he needs to become a King and is having difficulty, both from his and other’s normality bias and from his tenuous political position, from doing so.

white bread says:

>The Jews and Neocons wanted nuclear hits on Iran’s nuclear sites. They didn’t get that.

I don’t know if they actually wanted that. Maybe they asked for “nuclear hits” to get the conventional hits they got. So far that’s mostly an irrelevant detail.

>They also want boots on the ground.

Maybe. Maybe not. I can’t tell from here.

> They will certainly not get that.

Any particular reason you can be completely certain they won’t?

>He’s not a clown or a puppet

Here, “[Trump] owes his office, his position, his influence, to the enormous support of the israel lobby and the jewish diaspora which has funded it.” – Douglas Macgregor.

I think Macgregor’s rank is above yours? Regardless, I personally don’t need Macgregor to inform me of that kind of self-evident truth. So, as I was saying the US is ruled by the jews.

You can technically object to me calling the orange war criminal a puppet, because he is responsible for his actions. He chooses to be a puppet of the jews, chooses to be a piece of neocon shit, chooses to insult Carlson and Gabbard, chooses to mock all the retards who voted him believing his promises about “peace”, etc.

You can makes excuses for garbage like trump all you want. Reality doesn’t care.

Pax Imperialis says:

Money is influence but it isn’t authority. George Soros and all those other Jewish finances have thousands of powerful White Progressives (both liberal and conservative) giving them the go ahead to do what they do. Much of Western history involves Kings using Jews to do bad things to their subjects as a layer of plausible deniability and that hasn’t changed with democratization. You keep obsessing over the middleman thinking they are the master when they’re in reality the dog.

The reason why the US supports Israel is not because they’re Jews, but because Zionism was sold to the progressive West as a means of colonizing the Middle East without the embarrassment of doing it themselves.

>I don’t know if they actually wanted that.
>Maybe. Maybe not. I can’t tell from here.

They want regime change, you’re not going to get regime change with a few conventional air strikes. It would take either boots on the ground or nuclear strikes with the hope they capitulate like Japan did.

>Any particular reason you can be completely certain they won’t?

Trump has been extremely consistent on what he has been saying about Iran since his election. His actions have completely matched what he has been saying for the past half year. Ground invasion would be a million man operation. Not going to happen. He’s facing a lot of domestic problems that would flair up and be unsuppressible if the entire military is overseas.

>the orange war criminal

Lol, imagine unironically using progressive (Jewish) concepts to criticize someone was being a Jewish puppet. Are you a Jew? I-don’t-know-who-is-Jewing-who-anymore.jpeg

white bread says:

>Much of Western history involves Kings using Jews to do bad things to their subjects as a layer of plausible deniability

Ohhh! The jews are poor victims that are being used and manipulated!! How did I fail to see such a terrible tragedy!!! How many jews were so horribly abused? Six millions?

> Kings using Jews to do bad things

Kings doing bad things? But aren’t you an unhinged monarchist? Calvinist Kings are morally perfect. They can’t do bad.

>You keep obsessing over the middleman thinking they are the master when they’re in reality the dog.

Ok, so you are the third, blatant and very unskilful joo apologist here after the commienator and starbucks. You keep pretending to lecture me about my “obesssion”, psychoanalyzing me like the good joo-like propagandist you are. Go to hell.

Now, here is something that you somehow missed in my previous post. No doubt an involuntary oversight on your part, correct?

“[Trump] owes his office, his position, his influence, to the enormous support of the israel lobby and the jewish diaspora which has funded it.” – Douglas Macgregor.

And just in case you might miss it again :

“[Trump] owes his office, his position, his influence, to the enormous support of the israel lobby and the jewish diaspora which has funded it.” – Douglas Macgregor.

You know who Macgregor is don’t you? Or maybe you don’t even know him?

>Trump has been extremely consistent on what he has been saying about Iran since his election

LMAO!

The orange emperor-clown changes his mind 3 times per day on everything. If taken at face value he is a retard and senile just like biden. In reality trump constantly lies about everything. The claim that he’s being “extremely consistent” about…anything…is just too ridiculous.

> Are you a Jew?

ask your fellow jews here.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

The cointelpro office got a lot of red meat with recent events, but it seems to have loosened your caution too, since you’re letting the mask slip off here. A primary signal that the unintelligence community has yet to be housecleaned if the likes of you are still in play running interference for its ‘fellow travelers’.

Effective consensuscracks are effective when they play on genuine issues.

Pax Imperialis says:

>Ohhh! The jews are poor victims

Did I ever call them victims? They are willing partners in crime. That’s what you keep missing. You allow your racial solidarity with progressive whites to blindly ignore the other half of the toxic relationship. It took elite Whites and Jews to working together to get us into this mess, and I, among many others, point out there are a lot more elite Whites, many who are more powerful than any Jew, doing bad things. The argument that Jews are the end all be all completely falls apart.

>Kings doing bad things? But aren’t you an unhinged monarchist? Calvinist Kings are morally perfect. They can’t do bad.

Anacyclosis is a process. Right now in the process of going from mob-rule to virtuous King.

>here is something that you somehow missed in my previous post

I saw no reason to respond to an appeal to authority. Col Macgregor is a good Officer and a smart man. He’s also not immune to political formula.

>The orange emperor-clown changes his mind 3 times per day on everything

Nearly everything Trump has said about Iran, he has followed up on since election day with remarkable consistency. Hell, you can go back to 2011 and you can find him saying “We can’t allow Iran to go nuclear.” I’d bet there are even earlier quotes. It’s one of the few topics Trump has had a remarkably fixed mindset on.

white bread says:

> They are willing partners in crime.

Ok. So you are just flatly contradicted yourself. Ten minutes ago you said : “Kings using Jews to do bad things ”

But now you say the jews are not being used, they are willing criminals. So now you are telling the truth. But you were lying ten minutes ago.

> That’s what you keep missing.

I am not missing anything. You just make up bullshit as you go as the above quotes illustrate.

>You allow your racial solidarity with progressive whites

Is that supposed to be some kind of joke. I am not a racist, I don’t feel any solidarity towards whites because of their(and my) skin color. Also, progressive means commie and I am a liberal anarchist. Deadly enemy of progressives.

> It took elite Whites and Jews to working together to get us into this mess

I wouldn’t word it like that, but yes, in general both are responsible.

> I, among many others, point out there are a lot more elite Whites, many who are more powerful than any Jew

Right, you keep parroting that bit of propaganda whose purpose is to downplay the role or jews. Which is exactly the role I underscore. For instance the current US foreign policy is dictated by the jews.

>from mob-rule to virtuous King

Kings are virtuous by definition. They get to decide what morality and virtue are.

> I saw no reason to respond to an appeal to authority.

You mean you see no reason to deal with reality. Why would Macgregor, who is way above your rank, say what I quoted him saying?

> appeal to authority.

But everything about you boils down to blind obedience to authority. You are a monarchist and a soldier. You do not think – you just obey. Why would you reject what Macgregor says – he is above you. And he is of course fucking right.

So anyway, it’s pretty clear trump is a run of the mill neocon. I’ll wait and see some more and I’m rather confident trump will keep causing one disaster after another.

Jim says:

> > They are willing partners in crime.

> Ok. So you are just flatly contradicted yourself. Ten minutes ago you said : “Kings using Jews to do bad things ”

There is no contradiction there. You are ignoring what Pax Imperialis said.

You are being unresponsive — instead of responding to what he said, you invent some stupid fantasy about what he said. Which forces him to repeat what he said. Whereupon you will repeat that he said something utterly different.

You have already both repeated yourself twice, he explaining what he said, and you repeating that he said something outrageously and absurdly different.

Stop this now, or I will stop it. I don’t allow unresponsive responses, because it leads to boring and repetitious waste of space that no one wants to read.

You sound like a Soros shill. Take the shill test on Soros. Can you tell us what Soros the elder did, or where his money comes from?

white bread says:

[*no mention what Soros did, and not how he made his money*]

Jim says:

You lack of response supports my hypothesis that you are a Jew and a Soros employee.

You might be making an honest wild assed guess as to how Soros made his money based on Jewish stereotypes, because it is not widely known how he made his money. If so, how about telling us his gravest misdeeds, which are widely known, and a topic of frequent and vehement complaint on the alt right.

If you don’t know how he made his money, just ask and I will explain. But I should not have to explain to you what Soros the elder got up to.

white bread says:

Everything I said about soros is correct and incriminating. Soros is a “progressive” working for the “progressive” wing of the CIA. Heavily involved in the invasion of Ukraine/Russia. Heavily involved in financing feminazis all over the world. Oh I just checked the moderation policy and you are aware of soros attacks on Russia which I mentioned in the previous post you deleted. Half my posts here have been blatantly pro Russia, yet I’m a soros shill? Come on.

(as to the exact way he stole the money, I don’t know what you have in mind obv. The attack on the english pound? I never looked into the details of that one).

Jim says:

Ok, fair enough, this falsifies my hypothesis that you are an employee of Soros.

But you still need to make your responses actually responsive, even though it would seem that I was wrong to conclude that you were being paid to be unresponsive.

Your depiction of Pax’s position was egregiously unrelated to anything he said.

No one, not you, and not their Arab neighbors, cares what happens to Palestinians.

That Israel has dragged us into a war with no theory of victory and no exit strategy does contradict my predictions, and is consistent with the Zionist Occupation Government model.

The Zionist Occupation Government model is falsified by other evidence, but it is painfully apparent that Jewish faction of Thermidor has far too strong an influence on Trump.

white bread says:

>…is consistent with the Zionist Occupation Government model.

As far as I know, according to the ZOG view, the jews are to blame for everything. Government would be amazing if the jews hadn’t subverted it – which is clear nonsense – and hardly my position.

My view is that jews are way more corrupt than average people and so jews are way more common in government and related forms of organized crime than they should be according to the percentage of jews in the general population.

As Pax says jews and modern white liberals are partners in crime (white conservatives too), but contrary to what Pax suggests, I’ve no interest in making excuses for white liberals. I want them hanged along with the jews.

The jews don’t give plausible deniability to the non-jew faction of government because it’s more or less clear that, again, they are partners in crime. If the tax collectors are jews and were appointed by the king, the king is to blame. Maybe this isn’t completely obvious to the most foolish subjects, but it should be obvious to anybody with a minimum of rational ability.

The jews do play a special function in modern government. Since telling the truth about the jews or being “antisemitic” is the most horrible crime ever, having jews around allows government to conflate criticism of government with “antisemitism”.

And of course, there are particular cases in which the jews in government are mostly serving jew interests, like, you know, US foreing policy in the middle east.

>The trouble with anarchism is that organised violence always beats unorganised violence.

Anarchists aren’t necesarily opposed to organization. Anarchists are opposed to coercive organization and are in favor of voluntary organization. And regardless of organization your claim has another flaw. No doubt organized violence is more effective than less organized violence but numbers do play a key role. So if you go down the path of organized violence then you also have to make sure you have the biggest army. And where does that end exactly?

Jim says:

> > The trouble with anarchism is that organised violence always beats unorganised violence.

> Anarchists aren’t necesarily opposed to organization.

Anarchists are opposed to coercive organization. Armies are coercive organization.

> So if you go down the path of organized violence then you also have to make sure you have the biggest army. And where does that end exactly?

It is apt to end in civilisation ending war. But if you don’t do it, someone else will. Holy war approaches. It is time for throne and altar.

To avoid civilisation ending war, Peace of Westphalia and Concord of Europe suffices. Observe that when these worked as designed, all the participants were Christian throne and altar monarchies, and when it finally blew up, it was the monstrous offpring of Locke’s ideology that blew it up. Specifically, anarchists. Russia, throne lacking an altar, was protecting Serbia, Serbia, republic, was funding and arming miscellaneous radical political groups, USAID style, to wage low level war against throne and altar Austria. Inevitably, high level war ensued.

Come to think of it, Serbia funding anarchists has a marked similarity to Harvard and USAID funding those blue haired faggots you find yourself in bed with.

Classical liberalism, Locke on property, sounds great. Locke on property is great. But you need to ask yourself why does it manifest in practice as obese blue haired faggots funded by USAID chanting slogans about Palestinians, and Lockean blank slatism being enforced by British political police.

Religious tolerance plus an excessively broad definition of Christianity plus Tabula Rasa equals British political police arresting men for politically incorrect prayers uttered within the privacy of their own homes.

white bread says:

>Anarchists are opposed to coercive organization. Armies are coercive organization.

Again, not neccesarily. Any activity can be organized on a voluntary basis, including defense/war.

And I’m not sure why you do this. Why do you make that kind of claim, while at the same time having this “Liberty file collection” with tons of literature flatly contradicting you.

https://reaction.la/ Jim’s Liberty file collection index

https://reaction.la/Molinari.htm Gustav(e) de Molinari argued on economic grounds for “Free Government” and “Free Self Defense”

My side note : That’s where Molinari calls all statists commies by the way.

>[coercively organized violence] is apt to end in civilisation ending war. But if you don’t do it, someone else will.

So? The way you set up the problem doesn’t allow for any sane solution.

>Peace of Westphalia and Concord of Europe suffices. Observe that when these worked as designed, all the participants were Christian throne and altar monarchies

Funny how you try to spin history into its very opposite. So called peace of Westphalia was signed in 1648 and was reached after 30 years of lunatic, monarchist christians killing each other. So the wars were caused by your beloved “throne and altar monarchies”

Monarchs are always at war, trying to expand their human cattle farms. And if you replace them with “democracies” you still have states trying to conquer each other.

Anyway, you are telling me that “war is peace” and “freedom is slavery”. And if I get tired of your mockery and reply to you as you deserve you are more than likely to delete me. So I won’t play your game.

Jim says:

> Any activity can be organized on a voluntary basis, including defense/war.

War is coercion. War organised a voluntary basis is piracy and Viking style raiding. If you make war and stick around, you are going to collect taxes, rather than just loot the place. Armies have to be funded.

An outgroup wants to loot, or conquer and tax, your ingroup. What are you going to do? You are going to form an army. And that army is going to need to be fed. Armies are expensive. War is expensive.

In the days of voluntary fire brigades, they were able to collect insurance payments. If you had not paid up, they would let your house burn. But you cannot defend one man’s house and not another man’s house — your decisions of what to defend and what not to defend must be guided by military utility.

And if the art of war changed in such a way that insurance based defence was possible, perhaps as a result of advances in war technology, such as drones, you would still have the problem that people would not agree on what was initiation of violence and what is defensive violence. To establish such a consensus, you always needed something like an official, coercively imposed, religion. When that religion loses its grip and authority, people keep going right up to the line that constitutes initiation of violence, and then people disagree where that line is.

> Monarchs are always at war.

Concert of Europe gave us the longest period of peace we have enjoyed. Empirically, anarchic communities raid their neighbors, or succumb to coercive polities. Were the Vikings peaceful? Not until Kings ruled them. It was impossible for their neighbours to make peace with them, because there was no one to make peace with. War is inherent in the human condition. The option of trading bads for goods is always on the table.

white bread says:

>War is coercion. War organised on a voluntary basis is piracy and Viking style raiding.

Both legitimate defense(war of defense) and piracy(war of aggresion) can be carried out using voluntary means.

Jim says:

> Both legitimate defense(war of defense) and piracy(war of aggresion) can be carried out using voluntary means.

No it cannot. Raiding is funded coercively by definition, and defence must be funded coercively. (Or you are going to be raided.)

white bread says:

You just keep asserting wrongly, and without even a half-valid reasoning that some particular activity can’t be organized voluntarily. Of course logic doesn’t allow the kind of “unprincipled exception” you want.

But way more interesting to me is why do you host literature that correcly shreds your statist/communist views to pieces?

What exactly is the point of you hosting key writings of non-commie anarchists? By the way even Bastiat admits that “national defense” run by the govt commies is a recipe for disaster.

So why do you constantly whine about classical liberalism, attack classical liberalism by completely misrepresenting it on purpose, and at the same time host these texts https://reaction.la/

Surely you realize your actions don’t add up at all.

Jim says:

> Since telling the truth about the jews or being “antisemitic” is the most horrible crime ever, having jews around allows government to conflate criticism of government with “antisemitism”.

True — but reflect on the fact that pointing out this true fact puts you in bed with a bunch of blue haired faggots who have been terrorizing the normies, silencing anyone to the right of Pol Pot, burning cars in the streets, and diverting hundreds of millions of government money into their own pockets while weeping about their beloved Palestinian terrorists. Also notice that the most objectionable Jews in government — Nuland, Blinken, and Soros — have been cheerfully funding and arming a bunch of literal Nazis whose elders held office under Hitler. A bunch of literal Nazis who are now running a government that is simultaneously the most Nazi government since the Third Reich, and the most Jewish government outside of Israel.

white bread says:

>but reflect on the fact that pointing out this true fact puts you in bed with a bunch of blue haired faggots

And not pointing the fact out puts you on the side of government, the neocons, the GAE et al.

>notice that the most objectionable Jews in government — Nuland, Blinken, and Soros — have been cheerfully funding and arming a bunch of literal Nazis

Indeed. A very notable fact. And what do you make of it?

Jim says:

> I am a liberal anarchist.

The trouble with anarchism is that organised violence always beats unorganised violence.

Holy war approaches. Time to sign up with the least objectionable King that can be found.

A somewhat anarchic society is possible if everyone important agrees on what constitutes crime, and what constitutes defence against crime — but such consensus requires something that looks very like a state religion without a state. When people have disagreements, they take them to a God botherer of the official religion, he issues a ruling, and the party acting against the ruling loses allies, or his allies become paralysed, while the party acting to enforce the ruling gains allies, or his allies feel empowered to use violence. The result is not a state, but it still a faith that is apt to execute people for heresy or following the wrong religion — heresy and competing faiths being a threat to the rather fragile order.

Further, such societies are very vulnerable to outside state religions backed by conventional armies funded by taxes.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

it seems to have loosened your caution too

I haven’t seen the literal phrase “orange man bad” yet, but that’s the third “orange” in this thread so far, so clearly he’s working up to it.

Cominator is a commie, and we are all Calvinist Puritans and also Jews who want to burn whores and johns, monarchists think every king is infallible, and Trump is a war criminal and a puppet of the Jews. So sayeth “White” Bread.

Pax Imperialis says:

>But now you say the jews are not being used, they are willing criminals

It is possible to be both used and a willing partner at the same time.

>progressive means commie and I am a liberal anarchist. Deadly enemy of progressives.

😆😂🤣

Looks like we got a resident black bloc. Jim, please keep him around like AF, he occasionally says the funniest things.

>Kings are virtuous by definition. They get to decide what morality and virtue are.

Only when they’re in line with God. Btw are you a ‘no gods, no masters’ type anarchist?

>But everything about you boils down to blind obedience to authority. You are a monarchist and a soldier. You do not think – you just obey. Why would you reject what Macgregor says – he is above you.

You not know how the military works. Rank matters but is not everything. Discussion groups and debate are common. Sure, orders are orders, and we obediently execute them with a presumption of legality, but warriors do think and do have disagreements which occasionally get settled by dropping blouse when tensions are high. Any good leader will consider his subordinates’ opinions on how to execute a mission, they are not mindless machines. High ranking officers who ignore what their junior officers and senior enlisted advisors think do so at their peril. Btw, not sure if you’re tracking, but Col. Macgregor is retired.

I’m replying to this more so for others in this forum and how it’s relevant to a major reason why the US military has deteriorated in quality since WW2. The amount of troop time Commanding Officers have, both in absolute and relative terms, has declined a lot. Non-operational and staff time has exploded and by the time an officer is a general, on average only about 20% to 25% of their service was around troops. A decline from around 50%. The severing of the command chain from the troops has lead to less understanding, less thinking, less consideration of subordinates, and ultimately defeat.

This isn’t just a military problem. I saw this in the civilian sector too while working as an engineer before I commissioned. Supervisors and managers often spent the lion share of their time in meetings. I almost never saw them and they almost never saw me. I noticed with great frustration real productivity was shamefully low. The modern cubicle setup probably doesn’t help with that. Whereas in my grandfather’s era, and even much of my father’s era, supervisors and managers were often directly getting their hands dirty figuring out how things work. It is allegedly what Elon Musk does a lot, figure out what exactly is happening at the lowest level and everything up, and is likely why he is so successful making things happen whether it’s cars, rockets, twitter, and now DOGE.

I really think this state of action malaise ties into why Trump is having so much difficulty establishing organization. Our modern perception of how things get done is completely fucked. The ‘process’ of how to get things done has been so bureaucratized/feminized that culturally, few know how to actually get anything done. Trump has an army of loyal memo pushers and meeting attenders (because just about everyone is now a memo pusher/meeting attender), but the analogous ‘NCO’ aspect/component that understands the ground situation enough to make things happen just isn’t there because that skill set is largely missing. When the ‘NCO’ component does exist, it’s mostly severed from the command element. Structure is being rebuilt, I see it, but it will take time.

white bread says:

>It is possible to be both used and a willing partner at the same time.

Ok, let’s say I misread you – my bad.

>Looks like we got a resident black bloc.

I am using liberal in its original and correct sense. I think I made that clear a couple of times. Property rights are a key feature of liberalism and property rights are the reason why taxation is theft. Taxation is theft and the governemtn is just a gang of thieves and murderers. If you are confusing me with an anarcho-commie, think again.

>You not know how the military works. Rank matters but is not everything. Discussion groups and debate are common.

What, democracy? Debate between the Authorities and their subordinates?

And yes, I know that happens, and is not the point. The point is that I showed you what a guy who has some valid credentials says, and you keep ignoring it. I never said, “look this guy has rank so he must be right”. I’m saying, look, how do you explain the fact that Macgregor has the same opinion I have, considering that I’m such a retarded commie, islamist, entryst, fed, etc. How come Macgregor flatly says that trump is a puppet of the jews?

> Btw, not sure if you’re tracking, but Col. Macgregor is retired.

Yes. And that doesn’t invalidate the point at hand.

Jim says:

> I am using liberal in its original and correct sense.

If all men are created equal, property is an unprincipled exception.

Eighteenth century classical liberalism was Adam Smith and John Locke. Adam Smith was good stuff. Locke, however, was subversive. Which subversion contributed to the attempt to murder Charles the Second and his brother. Even if Locke was not personally involved, his ideology and influence was involved. And in the nineteenth century, his ideology bore monstrous fruit.

OK, Locke on property and the state is fine. But when he gets onto toleration, and starts philosophising about mind, Tabula Rasa, I can see the seeds of monstrous fruit. You can see where blank slatism is headed. It leads to kind of highly intolerant religious tolerance we now experience, where mandatory tolerance becomes a state bludgeon to smash families and businesses, that starts to look increasingly like Mao’s “permanent revolution”. Within his own lifetime, monstrous fruit appeared.

Religious tolerance plus blank slatism sounds suspiciously like “Let’s smash the existing state religion and impose mine.” Which is in fact what has happened. Europe now has more political prisoners than the rest of the world put together. And these seeds bore monstrous fruit while Locke was still alive. Tabula Rasa implies that people are infinitely malleable. Hence perfectible. So to perfect them, you wind up with tolerance being enforced by putting large numbers of people in prison for posting bland statements about immigration or praying in the privacy of their own houses. If the Rye House Plot had succeeded, we would have seen a whole lot of similar political prisoners in the eighteenth century.

Pax Imperialis says:

>The trouble with anarchism [intellectual reasoning]

Pretty sure the trouble is that they want to ‘abolish’ God (and reality), governance, family (and gender), capitalism, property, and ultimately you. Just another strand of Gnosticism.

Anarchism always ends up in murder, and White Bread wants to be particularly liberal with it.

Jim says:

Liberal anarchism is an absurd ideology.

Empirically, observed successful anarchic societies are violently illiberal. They are theocratic (because of the need for consensus on what constitutes crime and what constitutes self defence) and very hierarchical, with rather severe local hierarchy substituting for weak or absent central authority. This is the opposite of the problem we have, where the state systematically destroys the bonds between men, the bonds of family, and turns corporations into extensions of the dysfunctional state bureaucracy.

And when I say “successful”, they are not that successful. Long distance trade is dangerous, for a merchant lacking local roots and allies gets shaken down, and when foreign Kings come knocking, or foreign priests backed by foreign Kings, they are apt to fall over.

I have been places where the writ of the central government ran mighty thin. They had lots of wonderful locally made stuff that they could not sell to outsiders, and were desperately short of stuff that outsiders could have supplied. And as a result were very poor.

The Cominator says:

The trouble with anarchism is humans don’t do anarchy power abhors a vacuum, if no leviatian on the scene and no foreign force inclined to conquer the area gangs of criminals (or perhaps vigilantes hastily formed to oppose such criminals) become warlords. States divided into petty warlordoms generally consolidate until one warlord is king (oh kings who become king that way tended to have far more autocratic power than typical kings actually had, most monarchs in history in practice tended to have limited taxing and legislative powers and had to get such things approved by some quasi legislative body, but a warlord who recently took the crown by the sword tended to have eliminated or intimidated other sources of power which would normally check them).

The Cominator says:

Locke came up with Tabula Rasa, an obvious demonic lie.

Jim says:

Locke advocated a rather minimal definition of Christianity — a definition so minimal as to allow “I love Jesus the Jewish Community Organiser” to become priests of the Church of England. And lo and behold. They did. Jesus the Jewish community organiser improved upon that horribly racist and sexist Old Testament, being very enlightened for his regrettably old fashioned times, and now they are walking in his footsteps by improving it further with blue haired morbidly obese transexual lesbian pastors and a rainbow flag over the altar.

Locke on property is great, but property is an unprincipled exception to “all men are created equal”, and Locke on religious tolerance plus Tabula Rasa immediately, within his lifetime, led to the religious intolerance we now see being enforced in England today, and to the attempted assassination of Charles the Second.

The Cominator says:

Where does this idea come from that you can’t criticize Jews, all I see online anymore is people criticizing jews to the point its tiresome and they generally get their criticisms wrong hence me being the cynic and contrarian that I am feel that I have to push back on a lot of it. Yeah I understand that if you worked at National Review you couldn’t criticize jews but who cares about National Review.

Aidan says:

Is Locke all that great on property? Under feudalism, legal rights and obligations were property, and could be bought and sold, and inherited. Locke says it’s horribly unfair that legal rights are particular and transferrable, like property, and we need universal legal rights, or else it’s tyranny, which used to mean the king abusing his sovereign exception to violate the property rights of too many of his people.

Locke was a communist on legal rights as property, and a big pile of money being property was an unprincipled exception.

Oskar says:

>defence must be funded coercively. (Or you are going to be raided.)

That is a wholly arbitrary assertion, even as the very best evidence you’ve got is: That’s the way it’s been for all of human history.
Just because something has never been done, doesn’t mean it can’t be. Of course it’s possible for effective collective defense to be funded 100% voluntarily.

The Cominator says:

If bands of armed soliders or marauders come to where you live maybe if you speak eloquently enough of the non aggression principle they’ll go away.

If they are in a good mood they might think its hilarious.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Just because something has never been done, doesn’t mean it can’t be.

It’s impossible to prove a negative, but when the body count is as high as it is from assorted lunatics trying to prove the positive, it’s entirely reasonable for the survivors to demand an extremely high standard of proof from anyone wanting another shot at it.

This is simply another case of “true ____ has never been tried”, aka “the facts don’t agree with my theory, therefore the facts must be in error”.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

>even as the very best evidence you’ve got is: That’s the way it’s been for all of human history.

If the very best evidence one’s got is the best evidence possible, that’s pretty good evidence.

The Cominator says:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8VVuRfbRAQ
You guys don’t have to watch it (its the Bonnie Blue and Andrew Tate interview I thought it was hilarious) but to reinforce my point that whores tend to be far more redpilled than normie women…

Jim says:

My reaction is the same as that of Tate. She is disgusting and represents what makes feminism abhorrent and destructive.

The Cominator says:

Tate is disgusted by her promiscuity but sincerely identifies her as a tertiary symptom of the problem (just a rather extreme whore) and says the main problem are the simp men (and a few probable demon worshippers) who created feminism and the secondary problem are the girlboss left wing feminist and her despite being a disgusting extreme whore clearly agrees with him on almost everything.

Jim says:

Yes, Tate’s analysis of the problem is correct, and she is red pilled in that she understands and agrees with Tate’s analysis of the problem.

In the game of players and bitches, everyone loses, but the bitches do better than the players. Still disgusting, and still a manifestation of the evil of feminism.

beow says:

This seems surprising to me. Surely successful players > bitches > unsuccessful players? Men are happier playing the field than women are being played. If she can swing it into betabucks marriage then maybe but then she is condemned to life with a boring loser in her eyes

Mossadnik says:

Thing is, the average bitch can easily get more action, if she so chooses, than even the most seasoned player, and with far less effort. That’s not what makes them long-term happy, and indeed, many bitches these days shun men altogether; but should she deem it fit and proper, at the snap of a finger she can invite an ENDLESS PARADE OF COCKS to defile her every orifice.

“BNW for women, 1984 for men.”

Alf says:

Every successful player either burns out or gets out with a pretty girl.

The Cominator says:

In general even whoremongers naturally gravitate toward a favorite whore for periods of time and its sort of like a relationship with much less bullshit and often less vapid conversation (but often cheaper your favorite really shouldn’t be charging too much) and generally and crucially no breakup pain; even successful whores (who like it and don’t end up so damaged psychologically they need to constantly be on hard drugs or seem so frigid and businesslike they turn off clients) tend to get most of their business from a few favored clients. Men may want a rotation (for when girls inevitably get bitchy or demanding etc) but men do not really want a different girl every night or every hour they never converse or do anything else with that is the nature of homosexual men perhaps but its not the nature of even your more highly promiscious homosexuals to have purely empty casual sex all the time. Heterosexuals generally want some connection (even if its somewhat twisted) with people they have sex with.

So essentially nobody but homosexuals wants what is called hookup culture, even womanizers and turbo whores.

Jim says:

> successful players > bitches > unsuccessful players?

All players burn out eventually. Even the most successful players discover that it is not what they want. “She was never yours, it was just your turn”. That sucks. What men want is a harem, but a rotating collection of whores is not a harem. One discovers the difference.

Sher Singh says:

Yup

Whores are easy
Harem is hard

Gladiator Deadlifts are Awesome

ਅਕਾਲ

Mossadnik says:

and a few probable demon worshippers

And woe to him whose conception of masculinity is inspired by faggots.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

to reinforce my point that whores tend to be far more redpilled than normie women

Only when they start to hit the wall, and largely because they hit it so hard relative to other women.

In any case, awareness of facts rarely if ever influences a woman’s behavior; and whores who are willing to discuss red-pill truths verbally are generally no more capable of pair bonding than those who aren’t.

Alf says:

Whores and their above average red pill knowledge is quite literally knowledge of the forbidden fruit. It’s like, congratulations, you have gained some insight about human nature that chaste woman do not know. But it’s not like that knowledge will do anything for you. Also, you’re still a whore.

white bread says:

One of the few things the monarchical commie, I mean the cominator gets right is his views on prostitution.

Too bad for him, his lunatic, calvinist puritan fellow travelers are likely to burn all the whores, and burn the clients as well.

The Cominator says:

And ah how am I communist? I get accused of many things but that one is rare.

I suppose given that I believe that some form of Georgism should be implemented that I only believe in a more limited form of landed property than most on the right and I do believe in light of leftists absolutely raping generations of men younger than the boomers that non boomer right wing men should be made whole by killing leftists en masse and confiscating all their property and giving it to our people.

white bread says:

>And ah how am I communist?

All you statists simply belong to different brands of communism. This is a basic fact of political theory. Even the “minimal state” that some confused (classical) liberals want is still a “limited” form of comunism. Absolute monarchy is hardly different from soviet communism.

>I believe that some form of Georgism should be implemented

Well, thanks, you really made my day. If I take you at face value then you are a mix of true (classical) liberal with social democrat. So one might wonder why would you hang out with neo-reactionaries…

Fidelis says:

This is incoherent. Property includes property in priveleges, land, and people. An “absolute” monarch is a man who owns the property that is the nation. Your proposition is collective ownership of the state apparatus, because there will always be a state apparatus just the same as there will always be injury, illness, death, and disagreement between mortals. I propose we avoid tragedy of the commons and formalize the ownership, so we can cut off this explosion of petty authoritarian bugocrats, and also cut off the invasion of the third world coming in to cut apart the corpse of the former republic.

Alf says:

All statists are communists

Then why are you singling out the Cominator? Here we are all believers in the necessity of a strong state throne and state altar. By your logic, we are all communists.

white bread says:

Of course you are all commies. I mentioned the Commienator in particular because he’s been making snide remarks every time I tell the truth about his beloved joos. Plus his nickname is I suppose meant to show how strongly he opposes communism…while being a statist.

The Cominator says:

Debating whether the state is necessary or not is academic because it misses the greater truth.

The state is inevitable when people live close enough, power abhors a vaccuum.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Consent based ethics are tyranny.

white bread says:

Exactly. And Ignorance is Strength.

“How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?

Four.

And if the Emperor says that it is not four but five–then how many?”

Mossadnik says:

Consent based ethics are tyranny.

Exactly. And Ignorance is Strength.

And how are you going to enforce your consent morality? It can — in actual reality which exists — only be enforced by denying, crushing the naturally emerging order of human society; which must inevitably result in tyranny.

Homo Consenticus does not exist.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

It is an empirical argument. Men who say words like ‘consent bas3ed ethics’ are always responsible for perpetrating gay tyrannies.

Or in other words, consent based ethics aren’t.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

The idea of asserting moral imperatives on the basis on consent is logically incoherent to begin with. An ouroboros eating its own tail. An empty cypher with no ground that is simply filled by something else – and duplicitously occults that which is filling it in truth.

Is it any wonder then, like so many other things springing out of 16th century modernism, that it is something you only hear about from bad guys looking to do bad things?

If a man can’t tell you what his teleologies are, you can reasonably assume that he expects his interlocutors would disapprove of them – and thus is trying to hide his intentions.

Alf says:

‘Statist’ is one of the dumbest insults out there.

Pax Imperialis says:

Back in April I laid out the reasoning why the administration would consider a limited direct air and sea war with Iran. How nuclear bunker busters were sincerely being considered. Why for certain individuals in the administration it may make sense for political reasons.

Well, Trump gave the orders to bomb Iran. By many accounts, tactical nukes were being promoted by higher ups in DOD, and Trump was considering, but relatively saner thought won out. I hate this state of affairs, but guess I can kind of say, ‘I told y’all’. We’ll have to wait and see where this escalation train runs off too, but I’m fairly pessimistic.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Much like the Brandon Affair over the turn of the decade, our friend Donald has disgraced himself again.

Trotskyiots in control. And also spread ever thinner.

Pax Imperialis says:

Trump is in a difficult and tenuous position. I’m not ready to agree he has disgraced himself.

Trump got in bed with Thermidor in order to get into power and govern. Evidence points towards him holding them back from going full retard, there was real pressure to go nuclear that Trump has been suppressing. He needs to purge them, but he’s still wresting control over the security apparatus. SecDef and friends can’t work fast enough. What we need is a third term and that’s going to get tricky.

Fidelis says:

So who exactly is telling Trump what he can and can not do, what he has to do, all of that. From my armchair it looks like he had millions of loyal men willing to shoot should he give the order, and a very tight immediate personal security between him and the army of glow niggers.

Looks to me like he fumbled. What a shame. Hope you’re ready for The War, Pax.

Pax Imperialis says:

If boots on the ground, I’m likely going to die, as will a large contingent of US forces. DOD is not ready. I’m fairly certain SecDef and Trump knows this. It is also many steps too far for domestic political considerations, which (I’m extremely certain) Trump also knows. I’ve pointed out this will likely remain an air and sea operation (that might escalate to nuclear), and a get out of dodge while declaring ‘Victory’ moment.

>From my armchair it looks like he had millions of loyal men willing to shoot should he give the order

The problem of organization remains. DOD is far from being sufficiently purged. Can’t speak for FBI/CIA. Don’t directly know what’s going on in there, but if what I’m seeing in the Officer Corps is any indication, progress has been slow.

Fidelis says:

America is an Anglo-Saxon country at heart. He doesn’t need the full loyalty of the troops, he just needs them to stand back when he calls out the yeomen. He refused to clean up at home, now he’s going to continue spurring on WWIII. Maybe we can get war internal and external before the end of this summer.

Pax Imperialis says:

>America is an Anglo-Saxon country at heart.
>when he calls out the yeomen

The yeomen have enough Scott and Irish mixture, both by cultural and by blood, that they are not Anglo-Saxon and you can see that by how they are not organized into an easy to use command structure like their New England counterparts are. As far as I can tell, their natural aristocracy was purged by the Civil War, and the surviving ones were co-opted during reconstruction.

The most ready made command structure is the military which is full of yeomen, but the Officer Corps is still no where close to being sufficiently purged.

Other option is mass deputizing the yeomen, but that runs into the problem of organizing them, and as soon as he starts doing that it becomes clear to the opposition what is happening. It’s clear he’s prioritizing taking control of the military with what was done with the Californian National Guard.

Fidelis says:

>mass deputizing the yeomen
Yes. The clear and obvious choice.

>ICE
He should have been mass arresting his political opponents with them from day one.

The honorable PC puts it better than I do

The basic fact to be appreciated is that if Trump went from 0 to 60 and said ‘okay time to kill everyone who does not stand with native americans’, he would very likely win. Everything else stands in light of this.

The man recieved the mandate of heaven. No one else can take the crown while he is around. He needs to merely give the order, and stick by it, and men will scramble to see it done. That he has not given the order in this ever later hour, and has now started yet another external war while the country is dying, is a serious indictment.

Pax Imperialis says:

> Yes. The clear and obvious choice.

In time, but normie yeoman are not ready for that. Crisis never happens overnight. US Civil War had a decade plus build up, and even during the opening shots there was major normality bias on both sides (Union Forces were allowed to evacuate from Fort Sumter rather than be taken as prisoners) that led to the first year of the conflict full of decision making completely detached from the reality of the war goals.

We should not forget that even Julius Caesar didn’t fully kill the Roman oligarchy, and Augustus paid them tribute (even if hollowed out) his entire time as Imperator (lol, totally not a king). It took more than a generation to solidify Kingly monarchy in Rome. Trump (and we) needs a successor. He is likely too old, and the nation too early into crisis, but it appears he’s laying all the necessary groundwork.

Alf says:

Credit where credit’s due, you called it correctly Pax.

Aidan says:

Not a lot of Saxons left. If you go to deep rural New England, you can still see the original Norman Rockwell type Saxon physiognomy in a degraded form, and they are soft and have no will to power. Most politically willful people are Roman Empire style mutts now.

white bread says:

>If boots on the ground, I’m likely going to die, as will a large contingent of US forces.

You should be proud you would die for the greatness of Goldman Sacks, the Rothschilds, the other child murdering joos in isreal, etc etc.

And rest assured, as a reaward the jews will spit on your grave. The joos and joo-sympathizers of this fine blog will be probably the first ones to do so.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

the Rothschilds

Fed shill confirmed. Not that there was much doubt in the first place.

Alf says:

What makes you conclude that someone who pretends the Rothschilds are still relevant is a fed shill?

white bread says:

What he does is called “grasping at straws” – He knows he doesn’t have a leg to stand on so he focus on some irrelevant detail. The Rothschilds is just a placeholder for general jew garbage. I could have named the joogle jews for instance. They run a good chunk of the US surveillance police state.

Or how about the palantir joo karp – he runs another section of the the US surveillance police state.

Jim says:

> I could have named the joogle jews

The Google jews don’t hire shills to disrupt the conversations of their enemies. I asked you to tell us the most egregious misdeeds of Soros the elder.

The Google Jews just do what their sovereign tells them. Upon Trump being elected, the Google logo stopped celebrating faggot month and nigger month and their search engine suddenly became able to find stuff on this blog. Soros, and Soros the younger, continues to campaign for the presidency against the president.

Pax Imperialis says:

The power that benefit from antisemitism are our progressive elite. It has become less of a Fed tool as Trump has been cleaning house and more of a Blue State/overseas GAE tool.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

I’ll grant that “fed” could in reality be any of the apparat’s tentacles, e.g. in London or Toronto or even a sweaty call center in Hyderabad.

The laser focus on Jews who are no longer politically relevant but might have assets to plunder is always a reliable tell. Notice there’s no mention of the Kagans, the Nulands, the Soroses, or any of the other Jewish families who are actually still actively influencing political and military elites.

And the crocodile tears over muh poor innocent Pally Wallies and depiction of Israel as “murdering children” is reliably diagnostic of the academic left in particular. Not the geriatric professorial class but the young and stupid community organizer class responsible for recruiting antifa and other meat for their astroturf demonstrations.

Jim says:

> And the crocodile tears over muh poor innocent Pally Wallies and depiction of Israel as “murdering children” is reliably diagnostic of the academic left in particular.

And particularly diagnostic of Soros ngo employees.

Just as the Troofers were strangely unable to notice the best evidence for their claim — Mueller and FBI misconduct — this JooJooJoower will be strangely unable to notice Soros misconduct.

Pax Imperialis says:

We’re likely off the Ukrainian escalation train. There’s been minimal push back at the creeping Russian war demands. At least give him credit for that.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

I don’t think credit is exactly the right word.

The basic fact to be appreciated is that if Trump went from 0 to 60 and said ‘okay time to kill everyone who does not stand with native americans’, he would very likely win. Everything else stands in light of this.

From the perspective of someone who is unwilling or unable (in such matters, the same thing) to become king, he is doing a good job. But it’s a bit like trying to pick the best chess strategy that doesn’t end in checkmate. Whole classes of actions – which are the good and true actions – being ruled out apriopri.

Sure enough, thermidor wanted to distract from the brewing civil war, since they could reasonably expect to end up dead regardless of how it ended, and also they wanted to distract from their failures in the ukraine, and also they just really want to bomb every country around israel, so there are a lot of factors going into it.

But of course, it’s a whole lot of factors girding fundamentally demented telei.

The trotskyites are doing the classic troskyite thing of sticking their dick in a blender, freak out over the fact that everything starts going tits up, then desperately cast about for another blender to stick their dick into, to distract from the last blender they stuck their dick in (and the trend continues).

Pax Imperialis says:

>The basic fact to be appreciated is that if Trump went from 0 to 60 and said ‘okay time to kill everyone who does not stand with native americans’, he would very likely win. Everything else stands in light of this.

Need a politically reliable army to do that. He does not yet have that. Efforts to achieve that appear to be occurring, but progress is painfully slow. ICE has proven to be far more loyal than the military, but they’re hardly a military force and far too small. That’s actually an idea… mass recruit for ICE and militarize them. Mission creep them into dealing with domestic enemies.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Well that’s the thing; ability to take the kinds of actions that lead to forces of politically reliable fighting men require willingness to go all the way in the first place.

Pax Imperialis says:

The desire to go there exists. Stephen Miller is a damn fine pick for that. The problem Trump faces is there not being enough Millers. I keep harping on the problem of organizing. It’s the reason why the purges in the bureaucracy has been going so slow. Whether by personality quirk, circumstance, or genuine lack of available good men ivo, Trump has had a problem finding such people to fill his administration and all levels of government, but you can see the definite intent is there.

I speculate the reason being a lack of faith. Religious social networks are extremely capable of vetting and providing trusted individuals, and Christian Nationalism is starting to do that, but the new faith is still finding its footing and organizational strength. This will be followed up by mass recruiting, but that is still a few years away. You can see Trump is tapping into that, and he himself is increasingly Christian, but the social network just isn’t there yet.

I see it is developing rapidly, and there’s been a massive surge in Christian Nationalist activity in and around the military, but right now it’s very “grass roots” in how it feels (yes, reality is that it’s coming from the top) and nascent, but I’m somewhat optimistic about the medium to long term.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Well, that’s the thing; maybe ‘willingness’ is not a strong enough word to accurately describe this either. It is not simply a case of, if power jumped in your bed, you wouldn’t kick her out; the *intention* to be sovereign must be there.

In order to fill an organization with your guys, you must already have an organization full of your guys. Uncle Adolf could turn the transexual weimar government into a NSDAP government overnight because the NSDAP government already existed, they simply had to move in.

The reason the ‘outer party’ in America has never and could never take power at any time in the last 60 years to date is because they want their desire to be ‘validated’ through the incumbent institutions; they can’t simply let themselves ‘have guys’, they need the guys they have to be selected through the offices they nominally want to take over; and that’s why they never take them over.

People who actually want to assume the mandate of heaven don’t wait for this desire to be validated by an incumbent structure; if it doesn’t validate them, they make their own anyways; and then they get validation.

The boomercon doesn’t simply want an army of loyal fighting men, he wants the offices of the USG to give them an army of loyal fighting men. Which shows a lack of seriousness about actually having an army of loyal fighting men. If they were serious, the Republican Guard would already exist.

If you want to fill an organization with your guys, have guys.

The DOGE affair was a brief abortive attempt at this. The likes of Big Balls and co number in the hundreds of thousands – but for various reasons, thermidoreans, cuckservatives, and even the likes of Vance or Miller, all refuse to simply incline their hand and call them together.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Put simply: they don’t have the guys to take over the organizations because they don’t have organizations to give them guys. They want the organizations they want to take over to give them the guys to take over the organizations. Organizationally cucked.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

The ai generated ukro slopaganda videos are starting to talk about how Russian soldiers are turning their guns on their officers, in an effort to escape the impossible choice between getting killed while trying to surrender or getting killed while trying to desert.

Interesting to hear that keevian soldiers are starting to turn their guns on their minders.

Anon says:

Trump bomb Iran
the second time of jim predictions didn’t pan out , the first is leftist singularity after biden won.
now the big one is hot civil war in 2026.

so if iranian respond and thing escalate it will turn to a stalemate like the ukraine .
this mean maga agenda is in the back burner as the maga interfighting and the war consume the second trump.
the only thing is left is for the left to find a leader to coalesce around , and it is truly fucking over , luckly they are busy purging and canceling each other.

Pax Imperialis says:

Many NRx are underestimating normality bias. They correctly see the endstate and what needs to be done, but are living in the digital telos of light speed accelerationism, but man is not digital, he is chemically slow generational analog.

Jim says:

Yes, does not look good. War with Iran will incapacitate Maga, by shattering the Thermidor Maga alliance with Trump siding with Thermidor.

To carry out Thermidorean policy, Trump will appoint Thermidoreans to key positions, and disempower existing Maga appointees.

I don’t see any theory of victory nor any exit strategy for either Iran or the Ukraine. Israel’s strategy was always to drag the US in, and make it an American problem. And that strategy has succeeded. So instead of Israel being in a war with no theory of victory nor any exit strategy, the US is now in a war with no theory of victory no any exit strategy.

While Russia’s problem is the lack of natural borders, Iran’s problem is that its natural borders make it difficult for its ground forces to attack people pounding it from the air. But the same natural borders make it difficult to conquer.

Stopping it from developing nukes was always a stupid idea, because it was doing an excellent job of stopping itself from developing nukes. People fail to realise that bringing up a new technology on an industrial scale is a hard problem. It is not just a problem of money, resources, manpower, and raw materials. Musk is a really smart guy, and he does not find it easy, nor does he always succeed. If you just throw money at it, you wind up with something like the California fast rail project, or Nasa before they put Wernher von Braun in charge.

C4ssidy says:

Israel Mossad mass-assassination/information warfare seems to have been the ideal response to your great man theory. Were those killed just pencil pushers? Even if so, you can up the ante, use unfestered ai to scan internal Iranian internet shitposts for signs of seeds of a highly creative and intuitive future intelligence, especially among young adults and schoolchildren, and kill them on pretext maybe 5,10,20 years before they emerge and achieve anything of note, or as soon as they enter a particular career path. I bet with the right tools you could spot Elon years before he became an Elon, and way before society around him did, for example if you could watch him play a videogame at 15. It would not be about speed or score but something in spontaneous divergent approaches to minor challenges

Jim says:

> Were those killed just pencil pushers?

That Iran has been unable to build a nuclear reactor, despite trying for quite a long time, and urgently needing nuclear reactors for the plutonium, would indicate that those killed were just pencil pushers.

Obviously Iran needs an Oppenheimer, and obviously Iran does not have one.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Much like how peacetime militaries all but always end up occupied by spiritual bureaucrats who much be liquidated to make way for real gamers to take their place in times of war, the comforting thought is that Iran’s incumbent military industrial complex was in a similar state.

Ron says:

Game question

If youre over 50 and hitting it off with a younger woman, whats the correct answer to “how old are you”?

Adam says:

I’m not quite 50 but I’ll tell you as far as age I own it and I do not try to come off as a younger guy. Play the daddy/daughter game.

The Cominator says:

My musings on the strike results so far
1. It likely did succeed in destroying its objectives, Iran is only claiming they moved the material in advance but is it plausible that it escaped radiological detection and satellite surveillance. Only if they had tunnels dug out so they could move it underground. I would be more inclined to believe Iran if they claimed the bunker attack was ineffective at doing any damage to underground facilities.

2. Apparently China and Russia are at least publically saying that Iran shouldn’t retaliate or try to close the straights of Hormuz.

3. Trump can probably pass the Big Beautiful Bill now…

He might get away with this.

Alf says:

That would be quite a feat, and if true I’d have to readjust downwards my estimation of Iran’s capabilities.

The Cominator says:

The fact Iran mentioned of all things suing and that apparently Russia and China told them not to retaliate its looking good… as long as Trump pulls back now.

Anon says:

I am never a pessimist but this attack was very disappointing. It show that trump give his ear to very bad people. The thing is if you don’t put your hand firmly on the helm you soon find yourself getting pulled by the waves. Since the shock and awe early months , trump now is a drift.

He just tweeted, MIGA , Make Iran Great Again.
Clearly call for regime change .
The military build up continue in the med east. As the deportations wane.

The first sign was musk exit .
Until now everyone have been hoping that these are concessions will give way to victory later , but they keep pilling up while reliable ally sidelined , the most recent is tulsi gabbard because she will not play ball on the Iran attack.
Until now hopping for the best.
But I think the point of no return will be regime change in Iran.
It will destroy MAGA agendas completely.

Jim says:

Regime change in Iran is unlikely. Even boots on the ground would not work, for Iran, unlike Russia, has natural borders.

Thus this is a war with no plausible theory of victory. There is, however, one exit strategy — which is to declare victory and give up.

I predict Trump will do that. Eventually. But, on the other hand, I previously predicted he would not attack Iran.

I am not unduly worried by Musk’s exit. Worrying about the fact that the US is on course for bankruptcy in the not very distant future is normality bias. I am worried by Trump making war on Iran, and his failure to accede to Russia’s entirely reasonable demands on the Ukraine. They asked for four provinces, a neutral and genuinely democratic Ukraine, end of sanctions, and normalisation of relations, Very soon they will be asking for eight. Should have given them four.

Mossadnik says:

The Iranian retaliation, assuming it’s now over, was a Nothing Burger with no lettuce. Trump, for his part, can indeed declare victory for America. I expect a deescelation between Israel and Iran in about a week or so.

Adam says:

> Worrying about the fact that the US is on course for bankruptcy in the not very distant future is normality bias.

Do you have any opinions or predictions regarding the economy over the next 1-2 years?

Jim says:

Bankruptcy happens slowly, then suddenly. We are still in the slowly phase.

Britain is entering the suddenly phase, but still has a ways to go. They plan to solve the problem with further enormous tax increase, but their taxes already massively exceed the Laffer limit, and we are seeing the shutdown of creation of value, as people abandon their enterprises. The British economy is maggots devouring a corpse. When there is no more corpse, it ends.

They are further down the road than America, so prefigure America’s future. Their current deficit is not imminently disastrous, but it is based on unsustainable tax collection — their tax base is evaporating underneath them. America is not going to burn its tax base to the ground, for that is also its military base, so events are likely to play out differently in detail here.

C4ssidy says:

“You let Iran get a nuke” is a political shot against Trump and his dynasty. Trump dynasty needs to shield itself from these shots to maximise chances of obtaining permanent political power. Without the track to permanent power, world or at least large chunk of it goes to hell, ergo, military operations are justified, in fact any number of lives justified, if it ultimately helps the program of obtaining permanent dynastic maga political power. Iran ought to respect this and give up nuclear program in return for no regime change. Regime change is also an ok punishment if Iran is giving the blue state ammo against Trump. When they pull shit like this, it should at minimum be against a blue White House

S says:

The problem is getting nuclear weapons is also a defense against regime change and if you are being shut out, the best option is a crash program to develop as quickly as possible.

At least, that is the game theory. “Iran is lead by idiots” has increasingly strong support.

Jim says:

Since a fairly determined effort at regime change is under way, and since the current Iranian regime failed dismally at resisting Mossad’s twenty first century warfare, a change of policy is needed — right now is implementing a rather indiscriminate and incompetent panic stricken lockdown against Mossad. And nukes, obviously, have to be given absolute priority. Israel removing their pencil pushers may turn out to have been a big help to them. Priests don’t like tech priests, and especially dislike prophets and tech prophets even more, and Mohammedan priests dislike them more than most priests. But they have to bring in a tech prophet — a Musk. It is going to be a bitter pill for the Mohammedan priesthood, but getting assassinated is an even more bitter pill.

They need nukes. And if they want nukes, will have to endure a great man. For you cannot implement new technology on an industrial scale without either a great man, or someone who has worked under a great man implementing that technology on an industrial scale, or someone who has worked under someone who has … worked under a great man implementing that technology on an industrial scale.

Lots of people are highly allergic to great men, priests more allergic than most, and Mohammedan priests more allergic than most priests.

Alf says:

> if they want nukes, will have to endure a great man

Inspired me to make a meme

Karl says:

Before they allow a great man, they’ll try to buy nukes. Only if that doesn’t work, they might consider to endure a great man

Anon says:

“resisting Mossad’s twenty first century warfare”

This is the most intriguing things.
Rumors are flying, some say there are mossad agents in Iran for months/year building the infrastructure for the attack , they either recruited local ,disgruntled minorities or corrupt regime members.
That how they got to eliminate the top Iranian brass. This also happened to Hizbollah , curiously the only people who where able to resist are Hamas and Houthi.
It make sense that they could not resist , no one can defend against such attack even Israel got it on october 7th.
But soon everyone start to learn , as getting assassinated make perfect teaching moments for others

Bouncer says:

I see that Trump has yet again failed to seize real sovereignty and instead licks up the crumbs his master/s allow him to. The first judge who blocked any of his “America first” policies should have joined the road accident statistics, but instead we always get the usual fuckups, like his whole MIGA platform… so much for America First.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhcU-Gh6hV4
Remember how you were super disappointed in Trump during his first term, Jim? Seems he’s not improved with time. And despite my persistent disgust for Muslims, the battle of Lepanto kept them quiet until May 14, 1948.

ALSO:

>”Where does this idea come from that you can’t criticize Jews, all I see online anymore is people criticizing jews to the point its tiresome and they generally get their criticisms wrong hence me being the cynic and contrarian that I am feel that I have to push back on a lot of it. Yeah I understand that if you worked at National Review you couldn’t criticize jews but who cares about National Review.”
– The Cominator, 2025-06-22 at 20:48

Perhaps someone should recall how I was almost purged by Jim several months ago when I pointed out that Mohammed (the OP islam guy) came from a tribe that was part-jewish and part-pagan, and as a result our resident jewish infiltrator pulled the old “oy vey protect me goys this guy’s a NAHTZEE”, which Jim almost fell for. This led to some VERY subtle psy-ops by whatever that bastard was/is calling xerself trying to pull the old “skinsuit” trick Jim has spoken about several times. I even noticed a later post where (under yet another username) our resident parasite admitted to being an Israeli jew, and one of you guys responded that you had no idea…. apparently I’m one of few here who can recognize people by their writing style. SAD!

O/T: sorry for having not commented in quite awhile, I’ve been overseas for work and unable to comment since I didn’t trust the internet available, or the local lack of any free-speech laws.

Mossadnik says:

Welcome back, FBI plant!

I expect a trillion more obsessive posts about me in short order; a billion will suffice though.

Go nigger go!

Bouncer says:

QED, just look above. Now it’s claiming I’m an “FBI plant”, when it’s the FBI enforcing unconstitutional “hate speech” laws against anyone complaining about zio/semitism (except of course, most israelis have barely any actual semitic DNA).

May you be triggered every single day of your (short) life.

Mossadnik says:

QED indeed, kind saar.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Go nigger go!

You misspelled “glow”.

Mossadnik says:

If ever there actually is an American civil war between the Chuds and the Libtards (which I expect the Right to win), these glowie nignogs will all have to be brought to a swift, Biblical justice, no matter what rhetoric they employ to disguise as “our guys.” The alphabet spook organizations have long been selecting for highly antisocial, low-trust personalities that will be Bad Actors no matter the circumstances, and you just can’t maintain a decent, functional society with such “human” material in it.

That said, I’m not entirely sure what the odds of a civil war are. The God-Emperor of the Ocean Lands, or one of his successors, will probably have to be catapulted over the Rubicon by the Camp of the Based, and I’m not quite sure there is much will for it outside the internet shitpost-o-sphere, at least not yet. Alas, with demographic trends what they are due to both Feminism and Turd World immigration, time is running a bit short.

beow says:

>”The alphabet spook organizations have long been selecting for highly antisocial, low-trust personalities that will be Bad Actors no matter the circumstances, and you just can’t maintain a decent, functional society with such “human” material in it.”

Is that why shills all seem to have this characteristic inflammatory, needlessly hostile style? I always wondered why they are such abrasive shitheads. Surely being pleasant would work better.

Mossadnik says:

Yes, plus their mission is often destroying online communities, for which their preferred tactic is naturally to push as many lies and distortions as possible in as little space as possible, while also going out of their way to get under their target’s skin. Personally I enjoy being on the receiving end of all this, since it allows me to “learn from the best” and also to improve my emotional resilience, but more neurotypical people usually can’t stand it, which is why the shills often succeed.

Alf says:

Yes poisoning the well is done the easiest by quite literally talking toxically.

Mossadnik says:

Now, a successful Thermidorian autocoup might prevent a civil war, but for a Restoration, the autocoup will have to be followed by Thermidor giving way (one way or another) to Reaction, with Christian Nationalism replacing Progressivism as the state religion. Trump is currently allied with Thermidor, but he has the warrior spirit and many Christian Nationalist loyalists, so he might succeed in pulling off a successful autocoup.

America needs a new state religion, with AMACE fully abolished, and replaced with something more Reality-aligned, hopefully red-pilled Christian Nationalism. Not sure if Trump gets it, but some people around likely do get it; they’ve been reading the right blogs, after all.

Jim says:

Trouble with you, Bouncer, is that you think Israel is the real enemy and the real power.

Nuts.

Israel is just another client state, whom Trump politely indulges from above. Harvard is the real enemy, the real threat, and the real power, and Trump is taking decisive action to deal with Harvard.

Jews are a problem, and Mohammedans are a problem, and Hindus are becoming a problem. They are minor problems, they can wait. We have a vastly more serious problem, and Trump is addressing that problem.

orthodox_uber_chad says:

Jim, I hold you in high respect, but Israel is a massive blindspot for you. I understand that your generation of reactionary thinkers were quite semite friendly, and I think you’ve come along way in acknowledging their association with degeneracy. But to assert that Israel is only a minor problem with no real leverage is simply nuts. They have clearly dictated our foreign policy for a very long time. Need I even bring up AIPAC?

This doesn’t mean that ‘Harvard’ (as in the general post enlightenment leftist spiral amongst our own. I doubt the actual institution has much power anymore) isn’t still a problem. But Harvard clearly lost out to semite supremecy around the Nixon era.

I really don’t know how you don’t see this, other than you’ve already shifted your position on the issue about as much as one can be expected to. I hope you’ll at least start to reconsider some of this as we inevitably fall into another theater of Greater Israel vs the Middle East.

Mossadnik says:

For what it’s worth, here’s what Yarvin had to say about this issue back in the day.

Moving on: to the Jews. Obviously this is a favorite subject here at UR, which is a pro-Jew blog and always has been. (Jabotinsky is my neighbor.) The road to the New State is long, long, long, and we have barely started down it. But we know one thing: the New State will be a Jew State. Or at least, it will be chock-full of Jews. (And of Tamil Brahmins, for the same reason.)

As I recall, I compared the Israel lobby to a piece of dental floss, and the Palestine lobby to an arm-thick iron rope. Now, it’s true that if your definition of “lobby” is “something like the Israel lobby,” there is indeed no Palestine lobby at all. There is an AIPAC; there is no APPAC. Indeed, I don’t know that the Palestinians have any organization at all for bribing Congressmen, though I suppose they must have something or other.

But, I mean, duh. This is exactly the point. The situation is not at all symmetric. If you have an arm-thick iron rope, do you need dental floss? Why do you think the Israel lobby needs to bribe Congressmen? Because they don’t have an arm-thick iron rope.

As throughout Zionist history, Israel’s enemies make a living by painting defense as aggression. “Cet animal est très méchant: quand on l’attaque, it se défend.” This tactic is not exclusive to the problème juif; it is an eternal staple of the Left. See here, for instance, or here:

This much we know: Hand evil a big, sticky gob of power, and it quickly becomes a feral monster, dangerous and cruel and willing to sell its own shriveled heart and the heart of its very remorseful mother for a shot at everlasting infamy, even more power and maybe some fresh, raw kitten blood, intravenously, just for the hell of it.

Indeed, Mr. Morford. Project, much?

But what exactly is this iron rope? If the Palestine lobby is not a lobby, precisely, what is it, and how can we see it? This is exactly the optical illusion that produces dreadful phenomena like The Palestinian Conservative. If you see the dental floss and you don’t see the iron rope, it’s quite sensible to assume that US foreign policy is a marionette dancing to the strings of the Jew. After all, there’s the string! Right there! In front of your eyes!

The question that lets you see the true state of affairs is simple. Which side of the Arab–Israeli conflict does the US support? Obviously, both are “special interests,” and an easy way to tell whose pull is stronger is to see whose side USG favors.

There’s a wrong way to answer this question and a right way. The wrong way is to start by asking: what should US foreign policy in the Middle East be?

Having answered this question, we can define the answer as the “center,” and then compare what USG’s policies are to what they should be. I.e., if USG’s policies are more pro-Israeli than the center, the pole is tilted to the right, and the Israel lobby must be stronger. If USG’s policies are more pro-Arab than the center, the pole is tilted to the left, etc., etc.

This procedure is not useful because, to answer the question, we must first judge the dispute. Here at UR, we are absolute sticklers for international law—and we mean classical international law, not the 20th-century forgery that has stolen its identity. Despite this giant mountain of lies, the law of nations is immutable. It lies sleeping, like Barbarossa. One day it will return.

And for those of us crazed enough to care what it says, Vattel (or should I say—Vatteljewsky) explains the problem of judgment perfectly:

As a consequence of that liberty and independence, it exclusively belongs to each nation to form her own judgment of what her conscience prescribes to her,—of what she can or cannot do,—of what it is proper or improper for her to do: and of course it rests solely with her to examine and determine whether she can perform any office for another without neglecting the duty which she owes to herself. In all cases, therefore, in which a nation has the right of judging what her duty requires, no other nation can compel her to act in such or such particular manner: for any attempt at such compulsion would be an infringement on the liberty of nations.

Indeed. And in case it needs to be any clearer:

War cannot be just on both sides. One party claims a right; the other disputes it:—the one complains of an injury; the other denies having done it. They may be considered as two individuals disputing on the truth of a proposition; and it is impossible that two contrary sentiments should be true at the same time.

It may however happen that both the contending parties are candid and sincere in their intentions; and, in a doubtful cause, it is still uncertain which side is in the right. Wherefore, since nations are equal and independent, and cannot claim a right of judgment over each other, it follows, that in every case susceptible of doubt, the arms of the two parties are to be accounted equally lawful, at least as to external effects, and until the decision of the cause.

Of course, we are still entitled to argue the case. But this judgment is not relevant to the problem at hand, namely, ascertaining objectively which lobby is stronger.

So the right way is to start with an objective question: if USG’s involvement in the conflict were to cease, which side would benefit? If the answer is “the Palestinians,” USG’s involvement must logically favor Israel, and thus the Israel lobby is stronger. If the answer is “the Israelis,” vice versa. This procedure produces an answer without the need for any sort of judgment.

Once we ask this question, the answer is obvious. The Arab–Israeli conflict is a case of asymmetric warfare; we can agree that the Israeli military is stronger than its Arab enemies. This is an objective assessment, and a clear one.

Despite this, USG’s preferred outcome in the conflict is that Israel lose territory it now holds militarily, and Palestine gain territory it now holds militarily. But if USG (and its European satellites, of course) agreed to close its eyes for a year, at the end of that year, Israel could easily be occupying the entire Muslim world from Karachi to Mauritania. Strictly as a matter of military power, of course.

Thus the question is answered. In reality, there is no such thing as “asymmetric warfare.” Or if there is, the stronger party just wins and the weaker just loses. Typically the latter will just surrender beforehand, to avoid the mess. The game will certainly not drag on for 60+ years.

Whenever you see a situation that looks like “asymmetric warfare,” check your math. There is probably an iron rope you’re not seeing. That the Arabs expect to gain ground and the Israelis expect to lose it, relative to the current state of affairs, is a pretty solid indication that the Arabs are indeed the stronger side. But their advantage is not military—so what is it? The iron rope. And on its other end: USG.

This analysis tells us that, relative to the “normal” view of the conflict, or at least that view shared by the (Jew-controlled) New York Times, (Jewlatto) Steve Sailer, and Taki (“trust a snake before a Jew, and a Jew before a Greek”) Theodoracopoulos, we are missing a variable. The iron rope. But what is the iron rope, exactly?

The answer is that the Palestinian movement is just another “nationalist” puppet force in the clientela of the world’s true, secret overlords. I refer, of course, to the international Protestant conspiracy—or, of course, our old friend Universalism. I.e., radicalism, revolutionism, progressivism, and leftism in general. (Even Al Qaeda is not “Islamofascist,” but Islamocommunist—firmly on the left. Looking for Islamofascists? Try Saudi Arabia.)

Our iron rope is that very same string that pulled Byron to Missolonghi and sparked the guns of Navarino, that made the British Navy run interference for Garibaldi, that drove Poles to their doom in 1830 and Germans in 1848, and that incites the Tibetans, Chiapans, and Tamils to this day. Arguably, it was also the cause of the fatal Anglo-American interventions in the Continental wars of the 20th century, and thus of pretty much all the 20th century’s death and destruction.

Arab nationalism is an American product, pure and simple. Specifically, it is a product of the great wave of missionary Protestantism that swept across the world in the late 19th century and early 20th. Michael Oren (or should I say—Bornstein) has an excellent summary in this book.

The seeds of the iron rope are institutions such as the American University of Beirut, the American University of Cairo, Robert College, and the like. Like little metastases, these spread progressive Protestant nationalism and democratism across the Middle East, which has by no means finished harvesting the missionaries’ grapefruit-sized tumors of wrath.

There was once an actual indigenous culture in the area, of course, no trace of which now exists. It is generally known as the “Ottoman Empire.” It bore about as much resemblance to the PLO as the Han Dynasty to the State of Oregon.

Whereas in contrast, the ideology of Palestinian nationalism is indistinguishable from that of Indonesian nationalism, or Ghanan nationalism, or Chinese nationalism. Hence Bandung. What did all these regimes have in common? Good friends at another Protestant institution: Harvard. (Or patrons there, rather. The relationship is not exactly symmetric.)

And there’s your iron rope. The Palestinians don’t need to bribe Congressmen, because they have Harvard. The Israelis don’t have Harvard, so they need to bribe Congressmen. Capiche?

https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2009/05/preston-brooks-palestine-lobby-and/

Make of that what you will.

Mossadnik says:

(I screwed up the third block quote, but you’ll forgive me.)

Mossadnik says:

(Yarvin is actually excessively philosemitic, in my view, in the beginning of this wall of text. Just for the record. But later he gets more or less on point.)

Fidelis says:

The problem is, the jews we are mostly worried about are only jews by blood. Note that the crazed leftists have moved on to genociding the jews for being too pale, including crazed leftist jews on ivy league campuses. Israel got more vaxxed than the US, and Soros actively campaigns to flood the place with blacks and arabs. If we go full antisemite, it would not fix the problem.

You can argue this is just jews jewing jews, but even then Naming Them and going joojoojoo would not fix anything. We have to re-establish a sane state religion — and that is never going to be Judaism in America or anywhere outside Israel itself — and hyperfocusing on the jews is not going to do that. To fix the state religion, need to go back to throne and altar. Once we have throne and altar, we will have thrown out, or have means of throwing out, the semites jewish and mohammedan, and the hindus, and the progressive lunatics, and the old-gods worshipping cartels.

So of course Jim is not worried about Israel, because Israel is far away, and the insane demon worshippers right here are conspiring to kill both every white man in the lower forty eight, and every semite in the levant.

The Cominator says:

This Iran attack which damn near derailed Trumps 2nd term is joking of the 1st time I’ve been genuinely pissed at Israel.

Mossadnik says:

Once we have throne and altar, we will have thrown out, or have means of throwing out, the semites jewish and mohammedan, and the hindus, and the progressive lunatics, and the old-gods worshipping cartels.

I 1488% support this, yes, including the part about kicking out all the Jews. Kick ’em out! (It’s a win-win situation. You get rid of unwanted Jews, and we over here gain a nice addition to our population.)

Also, I 1488% support Making Israel GREAT Again and building the Third Temple.

In fact, with Israel’s recent victories, and with rising Hitlerism in the US, I’m really looking forward to mass waves of aliyah. Win-win!

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Jim, I hold you in high respect, but Israel is a massive blindspot for you.

Yeah, that’s a real original script. “This is an OK blog, but will never be truly great until you spend 100% of your time bitching about Israel and Jews.”

Jim’s blog is one of the few places where we’re spared from that incessant noise. Those who want to consume endless JQ rants are already spoiled for choice; just click that first “Synlogos” link in the footer, nearly half of what gets aggregated is exactly that. Here, we have a special privilege not seen in most spaces; specifically, we get to say “I don’t care”.

But Harvard clearly lost out to semite supremecy around the Nixon era.

Nuts.

Mossadnik says:

Holy God-Emperor of the Ocean Lands:

CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYONE! It has been fully agreed by and between Israel and Iran that there will be a Complete and Total CEASEFIRE (in approximately 6 hours from now, when Israel and Iran have wound down and completed their in progress, final missions!), for 12 hours, at which point the War will be considered, ENDED! Officially, Iran will start the CEASEFIRE and, upon the 12th Hour, Israel will start the CEASEFIRE and, upon the 24th Hour, an Official END to THE 12 DAY WAR will be saluted by the World. During each CEASEFIRE, the other side will remain PEACEFUL and RESPECTFUL. On the assumption that everything works as it should, which it will, I would like to congratulate both Countries, Israel and Iran, on having the Stamina, Courage, and Intelligence to end, what should be called, “THE 12 DAY WAR.” This is a War that could have gone on for years, and destroyed the entire Middle East, but it didn’t, and never will! God bless Israel, God bless Iran, God bless the Middle East, God bless the United States of America, and GOD BLESS THE WORLD!

DONALD J. TRUMP,
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Remember who the shills/grifters/histrionics were, and remember also what Shaman the Shitposter’s timeline was.

If the ceasefire holds, I next expect the implementation of the Trump plan in Gaza (“ablooooo ablooooooooo poor Palestinian terrorists ablooooooo!”) and also the VAST expansion of the Abraham Accords to include many more countries in the Middle-East and beyond – this will bring more PEACE and PROSPERITY than ever before.

The Cominator says:

> Everyone in the Middle East signs peace with Israel
LOL the left is going to find end times religion and accuse Trump of being the antichrist/man of sin/beast of revealations… don’t think it will happen though.

Mossadnik says:

The Left should read Revelation 13, and then they should read this thread (and this blog, generally) for Maximum Kek.

This specific blog post has the Best Title Ever!

Mwahahahahahaha!

The Cominator says:

If they rebuild the temple really quick and Trump goes in there proclaiming himself a living God then I’ll believe it too but I doubt everyone will sign peace with Israel anyway.

Mossadnik says:

I don’t expect the Temple to be rebuilt before 1) the current Progressive elite is substantially replaced with a Religious Zionist elite, 2) the birthrate plus aliyah — or, if need be, more radical measures — reduce the Mohammedan share of the population to below 10% or so. Both of these should take about 15-20 years, meaning the Temple is within sight, but is not quite yet.

As for the Abraham Accords, I do expect many countries currently Officially Hostile to Israel to opt for peace — perhaps not “everyone,” but many — with some doing so quite soon, while others waiting for certain developments as regards the Palestinian Problem; the President of the PA, Mahmoud Abbas, is 89, and will likely be replaced soon, or possibly the PA itself will be replaced soon, after which some kind of settlement between Israel and the Palestinians will become theoretically possible, likely one Progs will strongly disapprove of, and which will allow more Arab/Muslim nations to normalize relations with Israel. The crown jewel is, of course, Saudi Arabia, which has long been signaling its willingness to normalize relations, and after the Iran Campaign all the more so; once the Saudis sign it, likely many others will follow.

I’m more optimistic about the Middle-East than about the rest of the world, ironically.

The Cominator says:

The Saudis became much much saner after the Crown Prince’s coup (where he arrested tons of other royals and some non royal rich people, presumably the ones who were supporting Jihad) I thought they were unofficially allied with Israel now anyway.

Mossadnik says:

It is highly likely that Trump will soon make the unofficial official, which will give Israel the “legitimacy” it currently lacks in the eyes of other Mohammedan countries. The Saudis might not be the first to join the Abraham Accords among those who will eventually do so, other countries could well precede them, but once they join, there will be a veritable DELUGE of peace treaties. The Nobel Prize is on its way.

Peace is made with the Mighty and Powerful, and following this highly successful operation in Iran, our neighbors will likely conclude that it’s better to officially cease all hostilities. To save their sense of honor, some of them are likely to demand a certain settlement of the Palestinian issue, but there’s great room for flexibility here as to what such a settlement might look like. Nobody actually likes the Pallies; it’s a 100% fake issue.

I can vividly see Trump, Bibi, and MBS shaking hands and all that.

beow says:

Am I crazy or did Trump just prevent ww3? He saw war spiraling over the supposed issue of Iran’s nukes so he went in and solved that issue. Iran are cucks who have shown they will just take it and Israel now has lost their justification for war.

S says:

Looks like it. The strikes by the US to Iran and Iran to the US were theater, but Trump’s triumphalism implies Iran folded. I’m surprised how much Iran dropped the ball.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Just looks like kayfabe to me, not very much different from the Syria moment in Trump’s first term, which, as now, was obviously a nothing-burger to anyone who was paying attention, but didn’t stop large emotionally incontinent swathes of the so-called “dissident right” from utterly losing their shit, right up until the moment it disappeared from the news cycle and everyone promptly forgot about it.

I’m not convinced that Trump really did anything at all, other than blow up a few buildings that were mostly or entirely abandoned. He put on a nice show for the war hawks and Israel-firsters and then said ok, fun’s over, we “won”. Quite possibly Iran agreed to the spectacle; since they aren’t a liberal democracy, they don’t have to worry so much about optics, if it means they get left alone.

Or maybe Beow and Mossadnik are right and Iran really is weak and got their asses handed to them. I’m skeptical, but you know, it doesn’t really matter. What does matter is that Trump (apparently) got the outcome he planned, and the joo joo joo shills get to eat a triple helping of crow. Or would, if they had any agency or self-awareness whatsoever.

Bix Nudelmann says:

The chutzpah of it all blows me away. Let’s hope it sticks.

It would appear that in a world full of dishonesty and bullshit (like the middle east), trying to play it straight and earnest is the exactly and precisely wrong idea. Instead, just jump right into the bullshit cage and out-bullshit everybody in there.

And if Israel shoots more missiles at Iran then he can cry out in pain, say “how dare they!”, walk out, and leave them to fight it out themselves.

There’s just supernatural power is “naming” something first, before anyone else does.

Jim says:

I expected Trump to declare victory in six months or so. Instead he declares victory overnight. Brilliant move. Problem solved. Regime change off the table, and Iran just has to keep its progress towards nukes on the downlow.

And considering that they have been “six months from nukes” for the last ten years or so, not expecting nukes any time soon.

Upravda says:

A century ago, naive folks said to themselves “This war will be over till Christmas.”

We are in WW3, gentlemen, don’t fool yourselves. These are just opening shots. Those shots were never about supposed Iranian nukes, but about disintegrating Iran in order to open Russian soft belly and screw both China and Russia by closing recently open railways that bypass US Navy.

Anyway, if Americans hit something, there would be a slight increase in radiation, even if just from a little uranium hexafluoride leakage, or something. It seems there’s none, so it’s only a matter of time when chosen people’s leader will ask for another American bombing run. There you have a repeating casus belli. Forever war.

Well, you can either MAGA or try to save a fading empire. Mr. Orange has chosen the later. Sad, and bad. In six month he will declare “victory”. Again.

Jim says:

> but about disintegrating Iran in order to open Russian soft belly

That was obviously the intent of some in the Trump administration. But Trump declaring victory has put a spoke in their wheels. Regime change is off the table.

> if Americans hit something, there would be a slight increase in radiation

What, are you suggesting the America did not win? How very anti American of you. Are you predicting that Trump will say he did not win? That does not sound much like Trump.

In retrospect, this is a re-run of Trump’s attack on Syria.

It also serves the purpose of yanking arms to Ukraine, without the war faction getting on his back.

It was possible, though unlikely, that Mossad assassinations would accomplish regime change. It was never very likely that US bombing could accomplish regime change.

Jim says:

We are not in World War III.

Yet.

When Trump bombed Syria I panicked, but the panic turned out to be foolish.

And now the panic over bombing Iran seems foolish.

That the war in the Ukraine continues seems foolish. Nato troops are directly involved, including the Polish regular army. We recently crossed yet another threshhold, as our Ukrainian proxy collapses, Nato forces are getting directly involved in the Ukrainian trenches. The Ukrainian iig leaf has withered away.

Upravda says:

Trump always wins, of course. Those pesky ayatollahs have surely built another nonclear facility, but they are still no match for out aeriorrs. Or so Bergmanstein sez. I’ve just heard, a few minutes ago, that chosen people have chosen to continue attacking Iran, because broken cease-fire. Or because cheese. So, WW3 is here. How long until Bergmanstein persuades The Prez for another bombing run, and then another… Sooner or later, there will be B-2 broken on the land, with pilots, dead or alive shown on cameras.

You see, without astounding amount of goyim foreign help, across many decades, in order to atone for the ultimate sin of antisemitism and Auschwitz, Israel would be in the rank of…?
Jordan?
Lebanon before all wars?
They would be weaker than Syria under regime of Assad family. Much weaker.
Insignificant poor country without even proper amount of fresh water, not to mention any other natural resource. With half a population being not loyal! While brains are stronger than poor land (see Japan) Israel would not be able to have all that military hardware it currently has, and all that influence in the world. Not even close. They would have to play nice with neighbours.

“Fighting and winning their own wars” my ass. While they did their war of independence, and manage to achieve some quite impressive victories afterward, playing like they play now would bring inevitable doom, if not for the Western backing. Thinking otherwise is like thinking that Lebanon or Jordan could become some superpower or that Estonia could beat Russia. Just silly. Israel is silly. Clown from the hell.

They do not play nice with the neighbours, because USA and all that Euros who want to atone for antisemitism.

But, you see, the funny thing about Israel is that in order to win – what they consider winning – they must kill everybody around themselves. I mean, literally kill everybody from Istanbul to Kabul, and from Tehran to Cairo. Their neighbors – the entire Near East including Iran – otherwise win by simply surviving. It is inevitable on the long run. Not even nukes can save Israel, as nukes would not save Boers even if they had them. And I very much doubt that Israel has nukes.

Retrospectively, when Trump bombed Syria, it was the end of Assad – because he did not respond. So Americans stayed on Syrian oil fields, therefore denying Syrian regime of revenue. Including for soldiers’ salaries. Mudžos stayed on Euphrates, therefore denying food that also had to be bought from outside.

Unlike Syrians, Iranians did respond to GAE attack, and their strike on Israel was “the last word” before supposed truce. So, unlike Syrians, they did send a message that they will not tolerate random bombing runs, even if not being able to stop them effectively for now.

The problem is, Israelis, Americans, and most of EU, the entire “collective West”, are incapable of agreement. All of them, including my country and our Serbian neighbours, supposedly big Russian fans, my ass. Currently, the only agreement capable western countries are Hungary and Slovakia. And each and every agreement incapable goverment, ever, has ended its days in ruins. As Berlin ended in ruins, so will Tel Aviv, Bruxelles, and Washington, if something is not changed.

Jim says:

Simplicius has assembled good evidence that the strike on Iran was kayfabe, a show that Trump put on after the Iranians agreed to the show, and agreed to merely symbolic capitulation following the show.

To which evidence I would add one point. The facility is built into a flat topped hill, a plateau amidst valleys, and has three entry points, two in the valley far below the top of the hill and one part way up the hill. Presumably the deep entry points are most directly connected to deep facilities, and the third entry point to shallower facilities that connect to deeper facilities. A collapse ensued after one of the penetrators. The collapse was near the shallower entry point, so probably collapsed something shallower.

Why would one build one part shallower than another? Perhaps for good ventilation, so that trucks could operate in that part, or diesel electric generators operate in that part. It is probably a loading and unloading bay. Or perhaps it made sense to start the first tunnel close to top of the hill, to learn about tunnelling underneath the plateau.

Jim says:

> Bergmanstein persuades The Prez for another bombing run, and then another… Sooner or later, there will be B-2 broken on the land, with pilots, dead or alive shown on cameras.

This attack on Iran was Kayfabe. Not going to attack for real. If fake once, fake forever.

Tech Priest says:

They won’t have nukes soon if they don’t want nukes, which might have been the case in the past, but seems to me they might want nukes now.

According to the IAEA Iran is estimated to have had 408.6 kg (4 significant digits, really?) of 60% enriched uranium. No radiation release detected.

Maybe constructing an implosion bomb, at least quickly, would be beyond their technical capabilities. But a gun-type nuke is quite simple.

According to Wikipedia, Little Boy had about 60kg of 80% enriched uranium.

Assuming that any less enrichment than that won’t work due to the larger size and larger U-238 fraction guaranteeing a fizzle, that still amounts to a very tiny fraction of the enrichment work they needed to get their 60% enriched uranium in the first place. If even a few centrifuges survived or they had some somewhere else, seems to me they’ll get it pretty soon if they want it.

Maybe they don’t test it and just quietly hint to the Israel/US governments? I don’t know.

Tech Priest says:

On second thought, maybe just hinting would be stupid because one or more of those governments, now or in the future, might not actually care that much about their population getting nuked if they could plausibly claim to the public they didn’t know, and might deliberately trigger nuclear retaliation to justify whatever they would want to do? So I guess you have to do something (like a test) to establish the common knowledge.

Upravda says:

@Jim

This attack on Iran was Kayfabe. Not going to attack for real. If fake once, fake forever.

We shall see very soon when chosen people’s leader asks for another bombing run.

If Mr. Orange sticks to current story about “obliteration” of Iranian nuclear facilities, no further bombing necessary, then Mr. Trump will be the greatest 5D chess player ever, obviously bent not just to MAGA, but also to reaching that Final Frontier with the entire mankind instead of seeking for another soft underbelly of supposed enemies here on Earth.

If Mr. Orange starts another bombing run, then he stays Mr. Orange, and will become despicable loser.

@TechPriest

As I said, nuclear facilities are irrelevant. Israel want to kill everybody in the Near East because their rulers are (correctly!) perceiving such procedure as the only way of establishing sufficient Lebensraum for Jews. A lot of folks of our ruling class, GAE and all that, wants to ruin Russia and China because those two countries are insufficiently sticking to the religion of progressivism AKA demon worshiping. For both of those factions, Iranian nuclear enrichment is just weak justification.

And, yes, all that being said, gun-type nukes are quite low tech, of low efficiency, uranium-only, can never be minimized to the size of plutonium-based ones, and only Americans and Boers have ever produced them, and all those weapons are dismantled by now. For each such weapon you must enrich quite a big amount of uranium using a lot of energy, so enrichment is not a feasible way to mass production of nuclear weapons. For that you need nuclear reactors that are adjusted for quick irradiation of depleted uranium, that is – for producing weapons-grade plutonium-239. Such reactors metaphorically stink miles around, and no, Iran does not have them.

Jim says:

We have been around this before. Kayfabe Syria, now Kayfabe Iran.

> then Mr. Trump will be the greatest 5D chess player ever

If this makes Trump the greatest 5D chess player, then Syria already made him the greatest 5D chess player.

He is not only the world’s greatest deal maker, he is also mighty good at kayfabe.

https://www.wwe.com/videos/playlists/donald-trump-greatest-wwe-moments

Jim says:

If you want nukes, want nuclear reactors to make plutonium. Iran has no nuclear reactors of its own. U235 nukes are not really a good idea.

Cloudswrest says:

If you want nukes, want nuclear reactors to make plutonium.

Why? U235 fueled nukes don’t require reactors. And can be used with either gun barrel or implosion designs. Li6D booster cores (for use with implosion designs) don’t require reactors. Admittedly, you can more rapidly and cheaply produce a lot more Plutonium bomb fuel with reactors than with Uranium enrichment, but it’s not strictly necessary.

Jim says:

It true than uranium suffices, but plutonium is better, but more importantly, you need reactors to form the sort of engineering organisation you need. In today’s world just one or two nukes have limited utility, because if you use it, you will suffer annihilation. You would like the potential for escalation. So you want an industrial base capable of rolling out quite a few nukes. And you need to provide a career path for nuclear engineers, so you need an atoms for peace program. The sort of organisation you need for nukes is going to produce nuclear reactors.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Centrifuges are a lot more capital intensive than reactors; it’s civcap limited rather than resource limited.

Jim says:

Good point: The capacity to produce reasonable numbers of nukes depends on civilisational capital, capital assets like oil wells do not suffice. The Iranians need to wonder why they are short on civilisational capital.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

If Mr. Orange starts another bombing run, then he stays Mr. Orange, and will become despicable loser.

And when, not if, this escalation into WW3 and nukes flying fails to materialize, will you and White Bread and all the other ZOGists eat humble pie, apologize for the hysterics, and make a personal resolution to refrain from snap judgments and let cooler heads prevail in the future?

Or will you instead pretend that you never made that prediction, or admit it but shrug it off as “well, I did say if“, or snark that it never should have gotten to that point in the first place, or fall back to any of the other usual excuses for effeminate histrionics over Israel or more generally over not getting absolutely everything you want at exactly the time you want it?

(I ask, as if I don’t already know the answer.)

Tech Priest says:

For each such weapon you must enrich quite a big amount of uranium using a lot of energy, so enrichment is not a feasible way to mass production of nuclear weapons. For that you need nuclear reactors that are adjusted for quick irradiation of depleted uranium, that is – for producing weapons-grade plutonium-239. Such reactors metaphorically stink miles around, and no, Iran does not have them.

That’s true – but, assuming the IAEA reports are true and not kayfabe, Iran demonstrated in the past the necessary enrichment capability for at least several nukes (enriching tens of tons of natural uranium to 400 kg of 60% enriched Uranium is way harder than enriching the 400 kg of 60% enriched uranium to ~250 kg of 90%+ enriched Uranium).

So it seems to me that as long as they still have some centrifuges they can get the bomb relatively quickly if they want. And, (referring to Jim’s point about one or two not being enough) I’d guess the 400kg of 60% enriched, once further enriched to weapons grade might be enough for maybe 4-6 gun-type nukes or so, which is not as much as you’d ideally want but it’s something especially against a geographically small nation like Israel. You can always build some gun type ones first and disassemble them later to put the uranium in (more efficient) implosion bombs if you figure out how to build those.

Upravda says:

@DaddyScarebucks

And when, not if, this escalation into WW3 and nukes flying fails to materialize, will you and White Bread and all the other ZOGists eat humble pie, apologize for the hysterics, and make a personal resolution to refrain from snap judgments and let cooler heads prevail in the future?

For now, right now as I’m reading morning news, Mr. Trump is sticking to story about “obliteration” of these and those facilities. Which is good, for him, MAGA, and the entire world. So, for now, he stays Mr. Trump, The Great 4D Chess Player, not becoming a despicable loser called Mr. Orange.

Are you happy now?

By the way, I do not make predictions, it is hard, especially when predicting future. I just observe.

Upravda says:

@TechPriest:

So it seems to me that as long as they still have some centrifuges they can get the bomb relatively quickly if they want.

Yes, probably. Also, many other countries could either put centrifuges together very fast or already have them for producing nuclear fuel. Heck, even former Yugoslavia managed to achieve that ability in the seventies, but Tito scrapped it altogether in a seizure of common sense.

If you have a just few nukes, you expose yourself to AD (assured destruction), without achieving MAD (mutual assured destruction). For MAD:
1. You must be able to produce nukes in substantial quantity. Hard to do with enriched uranium, so you very probably need nuclear reactors, as we have already established.
2. You must have means of effective delivery, probably also intercontinental. So, ICBMs and/or submarines, preferably also nuclear, although good diesel-electric ones will also do.

All that requires great civilization, not just a few hundred bright nuclear scientists, engineers, and technicians and some super-duper reactors in the lab.

So, practically, even for relatively powerful countries such as Iran, it is probably better, and certainly much easier, to make alliance with some nuclear superpower than to become a nuclear superpower, especially if that superpower has state religion that is either similar to yours or at least non-proselytizing. So, Iranian will be better off to make alliance with Russia (or China) than to develop their own nuclear weapons.

As a side note, thermonuclear weapons can be either ordinary, that is “dirty”, if fusion fuel is contained in depleted uranium casket, or “clean”, that is with less fallout, if fusion fuel is contained in casket from non-fissile material. “Clean” weapons will have lesser yield for all other parameters equal (say, 500 kT instead of 1 Mt) but it doesn’t really matter for all practical intents and purposes, especially with modern multiple warhead delivery missiles. Rumor says it that Western nuclear weapons are mostly dirty, and Soviet/Russian mostly clean. That would explain supposedly “looser” Soviet/Russian rules of nuclear-weapons usage – nuclear doctrine – compared to Western one. Does anybody here know something more?

Jim says:

> 2. You must have means of effective delivery, probably also intercontinental. So, ICBMs and/or submarines, preferably also nuclear, although good diesel-electric ones will also do.

I think the future is unmanned robot nuclear submarines.

Fidelis says:

I think the future is unmanned robot nuclear submarines.

Manned seems far more practical. You need a narrow beam of communication, so your robot submarine can take orders without trivial jamming, because no one is building autonomous nukes. Right now, starlink comms are uncontested and hard to jam. I am not sure how long they remain hard to jam, nor how long they can remain uncontested. If your nuke delivery is a robot submarine, then your adversary attacks your communication chain. If your submarine is manned, they have observational capacity, can respond even if communication is jammed.

Upravda says:

I think the future is unmanned robot nuclear submarines.

I doubt it. I very much doubt everything regarding the so-called AI. And, before someone accuses me of being a Luddite or something, right now I’m on a paid usage of Chat GPT for both programming and translating, because job.

It is very usable, but also painfully obvious there’s no any “intelligence” – just what humans taught… him? Her?

Me and my sons were recently literally dying of laughter when interacting with Chat GPT as a digital assistant on Android tablet. While in web-browser he(?) references itself in male gender, but as a digital assistant in Android app she(?) is a woman who… talks mile a minute if that is correct English expression. 🙂

But I digress… when Chat GPT fucks up a supposed solution of some problem, or does not solve it optimal way, he/she simply tries another iteration read form GitHub which may or may not be good, and often is not even better than the last one.

So there’s absolutely no any adaptation to new circumstances, not any at all, zilch, nada, nothing, nikaj. And that, ladies and gents, is primary definition of “intelligence”, not some puzzles that only reflect the length math education and programming or similar work experience.

So, since AI/robots are absolutely, totally stupid regarding coping with new challenges, I wouldn’t entrust them any nuclear-armed submarine. Un-jammable remote control might exist, but for long distances it depends on comm-satellites. Which will be first target in the case of serious WW3, and are total sitting ducks that can be shoot from F-15s (or MiG-31) since the Eighties, IIRC.

As one Anglo-blogger said recently, AI is somewhat worse than Google search quarter of century ago.

Upravda says:

I think the future is unmanned robot nuclear submarines.

I doubt it. I very much doubt everything regarding the so-called AI. And, before someone accuses me of being a Luddite or something, right now I’m on a paid usage of Chat GPT for both programming and translating, because job.

It is very usable, but also painfully obvious there’s no any “intelligence” – just what humans taught… him? Her?

Me and my sons were recently literally dying of laughter when interacting with Chat GPT as a digital assistant on Android tablet. While in web-browser he(?) references itself in male gender, but as a digital assistant in Android app she(?) is a woman who… talks mile a minute if that is correct English expression. 🙂

But I digress… when Chat GPT fucks up a supposed solution of some problem, or does not solve it optimal way, he/she simply tries another iteration read form GitHub which may or may not be good, and often is not even better than the last one.

So there’s absolutely no any adaptation to new circumstances, not any at all, zilch, nada, nothing, nikaj. And that, ladies and gents, is primary definition of “intelligence”, not some puzzles that only reflect the length math education and programming or similar work experience.

So, since AI/robots are absolutely, totally stupid regarding coping with new challenges, I wouldn’t entrust them any nuclear-armed submarine. Un-jammable remote control might exist, but for long distances it depends on comm-satellites. Which will be first target in the case of serious WW3, and are total sitting ducks that can be shoot from F-15s (or MiG-31) since the Eighties, IIRC.

As one Anglo-blogger said recently, AI is somewhat worse than Google search quarter of century ago.

Bobb says:

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Anon says:

I am not a believer in 4D chest theory, but this is damn near it.
Trump brilliantly keep zigzagging, that even allies does n’t know what’s up.
But amazingly it turn out okay
Let hope the luck and good fortune keep going.

Milosevic says:

Are you dim? You’ve watched Trump for ten years and feel the need to post something like this? The man is obviously blessed and guided by higher powers. The Q people were right all along.

The Cominator says:

“Saying good things about Q”
Lets not go too far.

Big Brutha says:

The most interesting thing about this whole furor is the “noticing.” Frankly, Trump declaring an end to hostilities now is probably the best outcome Netanyahu could hope because it allows Trump to look like he has his own foreign policy instead of being owned and operated out of the offices of our “greatest ally TM” which was starting to be the conclusion and which was royally pissing people off.

There is a lot of rancor on the part of people who were against this when it comes to Hebraic friends and neighbors who came out of the woodwork to assure everyone that if they didn’t want to die for Israel they “were never really MAGA.” Mark Levin’s grift took a major hit this week when he had an exchange on X that implied that a critic of this bombing run was antisemitic AND that this critic’s antisemitism was genetic because he was a white guy. The conclusion, correctly interpreted, was that if antisemitism is genetic and we have to get rid of antisemitism…well…you do the math.

It also appears to me that Vance being seen as part of this has damaged his brand tremendously. America First may still be on the agenda but there are a lot of people who now question that and question what is going to keep “Our Greatest Ally TM” from dragging us into yet another bombing run.

Beow says:

So who exactly is pushing this script and why? Soros? And his intention is to… get Israel destroyed?

Jim says:

The troofer script is being pushed by the FBI.

Their problem is that Mueller was in bed with the terrorists. The FBI was told to ignore probable Mohammedan terrorists and find white Christian terrorists, regardless of whether they existed or not, and proceeded to do so.

The FBI is also the source for the Dancing Israelis. When the photos were finally published, they were not dancing, and looked appropriate somber but according to FBI leaks they were sitting on photos of dancing Israelis for years.

One can detect this by the inability of the Troofers to mention the best evidence for their theory that the terrorists were actors — the strange obliviousness of the FBI — or any other of the sins of Mueller.

In the immediate aftermath of the attack, the FBI was working far too hard and far too publicly to pin it on the Israelis, leaking “evidence” that they did not in fact possess, but perhaps hoped to possess, or hoped to manufacture, Russia Russia Russia style.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

The messaging from Vance and co before Trump’s announcement tended to be along the lines of asserting that this was a one-and-done, eg ‘okay mission accomplished you guys had your fun now back to business as usual everyone’.

They clearly weren’t happy with it and want to will the genie back into the bottle.

History has a way of befouling the plans of mice and men though. Both Iran and Israel have legitimate reasons for escalating. It would also be greatly destructive for them if they followed that game to its course, so maybe cooler heads will figure they need to short-circuit the logic.

Mossadnik says:

I was probably wrong in expecting regime change – I bought into my own regime’s deluded propaganda. Iran turned out to not be nearly as fragile as we were promised. As such, the campaign was about to cross the point of diminishing returns, and so Trump’s announcement came just in time. Also, pretty sure much of it was coordinated behind the scenes between the leaders, and presumably the coordination still continues.

Hopefully this episode will prompt future Israeli decision makers — Bibi is a lost cause in this regard — to reconsider being in bed with Satan.

white bread says:

Get this one guys.

The US is the “greatest country on earth, next to israel”

At least according to the official mouthpieces of the Trump Regime. It must be painful to be a honest MAGA believer.

Mossadnik says:

Why are you not giving the context for this quote?

The American lady who said that was interviewed by Israeli television, and said that America has the biggest dick is the greatest country in the world, and then out of politeness toward the interviewer added “next to Israel.” I doubt she actually thinks so.

Why are you attacking MAGA Patriots?

Jim says:

All this JooJooJoo stuff is get awfully close to telling us that the true enemy is Trump, Maga, and Musk, and the good guys are the Harvard students getting extra course credit for burning cars, forcing open shop doors in front of niggers, (who do the actual looting while their cell phones are in their pockets) and spraying graffiti on buildings because they care so deeply about long suffering Palestinians and illegal immigrants.

You, white bread, are in bed with the kind of people that anarchists have always found themselves in bed with throughout history.

What is your position on deporting illegals? What is your position on attacking Ice agents? How do you feel about those transexual effective altruism cult members who assassinated an Ice Agent.

How are you getting on with all those faggots you are in bed with? Please tell us about transexual effective altruists murdering ice agents and mobs besieging ice officers attempting to detain illegal immigrants who have committed additional crimes.

Anarchists who are theoretically opposed to initiating force always find themselves in bed with people who are, like the Mexican Cartels, Harvard, and the antifa mob, opposed to the state initiating force against them. And the state is initiating force against them because they want the power of the state.

Under Biden we were invaded by various groups who intend to kill us and take our stuff. And your proposal is we give them a free ride until they actually start doing so. The cartels have made an actual start on doing so, for example taking over various apartment complexes and housing projects. What do you propose to do about that?

The Democrats are arguing that you cannot deport an illegal merely because he is part of organisation that engages in organised violence against us. You have to prove that he engaged in individual violence against an individual. What is your position on that argument? Can’t shoot an enemy soldier until it has been proven that that particular soldier shot a particular individual?

white bread says:

>What is your position on deporting illegals?

My position on immigration is the libertarian position. There’s nothing wrong with “illegals” as long as they don’t get government subsidies. On the other hand, I’m not really too sympathetic to people who go to the US, which is a shithole after all. So if they get kicked out, well, too bad.

>What is your position on attacking Ice agents?

Cops? Fuck them.

>How are you getting on with all those faggots you are in be(d) with?

I have very little love(read none) for faggots, especially the ones who are “married” and “have children”, like, you know, that scott bessent faggot.

>How do you feel about those transexual(s)

I regard all trannies as lunatic assholes. And of course it’s not just the trannies, but all the silicon valley progressive trannyhumanists who fund them. How do you feel about those big tech businesses who are planing to “re-engineer” humanity, which of course includes “sex changes”.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

>There’s nothing wrong with “illegals”

How do you square this with the fact that there is a whole lot wrong with them?

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

>I have very little love(read none) for faggots

What’s not to love about consenting adults consentually consenting? Sounds like no true liberal to me.

>I regard all trannies as lunatic assholes

Who are you to say what constitutes lunacy and or assholery? Bringing compulsive natural law based thinking into the discussion all of a sudden? Sounds like no true liberal to me.

Jim says:

Granted that effective altruists terrorists were lunatic assholes because transsexual, were they dangerous lunatics for adhering to effective altruism and was their murder of an ice officer righteous, given that he had been applying force against illegals, some but not all of whom came here in organised groups with the intent of killing us and taking our stuff by organised coercive violence.

You have not suggested any anarchist solution to this problem, so am I to take that you are just fine with white people being exterminated? On the balance of forces right now, the only way we can survive and keep our stuff is by organised coercive violence, for we are in a world right now where other groups are applying organised coercive force to take it. This is not a hypothetical. The violence is happening right now, and you oppose those who are taking effective action against it, and would proscribe any action likely to be effective.

Pretty sure Musk is planning to re-engineer humanity and it does not involve sex changes. Seems he has some good ideas.

> How do you feel about those big tech businesses who …

Oh no, it is not the government that is doing all this stuff. It is our evil capitalist overlords, and the government is just their tool. They are making the girls in video games ugly, and the heroines in big movies hateful and despicable, because they somehow want to make a profit from doing that. 🙃

Property is an unprincipled exception to “all men are created equal”, and it would seem you want to make a start on ironing out that exception. Seems that you liked Locke when he was attacking Christianity and the Church of England in favor of blank slatism, but were not so keen on him when he was turning somersaults to rationalise property.

white bread says:

>were they dangerous lunatics for adhering to effective altruism

yes, that as well. Combination of tranny with so called effective altruism. Triple nuts.

>and was their murder of an ice officer righteous

no

>You have not suggested any anarchist solution to this problem

I don’t think you asked for a specific solution. But the solution to being attacked by criminals whether immigrants or local mafias is to defend yourself.

>am I to take that you are just fine with white people being exterminated

Not at all. On the other hand, are you saying that all people who go to the US to work in low paying jobs are actually there carrying out the final solution for whites?

Jim says:

> I don’t think you asked for a specific solution.

I raised the problem and asked your solution, and I am raising it again in almost the same words. Not specific enough for you?

> But the solution to being attacked by criminals …

Is unlikely to be effective when the other side is using organised collective coercive violence. It leads to the conclusion that you cannot shoot an invading soldier just because he is an invading soldier.

Which is a hot issue right now, with Democrats saying you cannot deport cartel members to countries that have a policy of imprisoning cartel members, in fact you cannot deport them at all unless they themselves, not just the organisation of which they are part, can be shown in a court of law to have committed crimes.

So you are taking the Democrat stand, which obviously fails against organised collective coercive violence, fails against the organised collective coercive violence being inflicted on white people right now.

We are being invaded right now and you are arguing that the only morally permissible solutions are solutions that obviously are not working right now and are obviously unlikely to work.

When a cartel takes over an apartment block, very few of them individually commit acts of violence against the previous inhabitants, and very few of those evicted individually experience violence from individual cartel members. It just becomes obvious that if they stuck around, they would.

The only solution to organised collective violence based on group identity and directed at group identity is organised collective violence based on group identity and directed at group identity. The cartel members benefited from the fact that other members of the cartel might commit violence, so should be dumped in prisons overseas on their basis of their cartel membership.

Law of war applies, which means you can do anything necessary if authorised by legitimate authority.

white bread says:

>Democrats saying you cannot deport cartel members

As far as I’m concerned you can deport all the cartel members you want.

A good deal of the immigration mess in the US is mostly caused by the demrat faction of the US government. Although the republicans also want cheap “illegal” labor eh? Anyway, not sure why anarchists should provide a particular solution to a problem caused by the government, apart from the general anarchist solution : get rid of the government.

Now you never answered why you keep a collection of liberal/anarchist literature while being violently opposed to liberalism. It doesn’t make any sense does it.

Maybe you can replace Spooner and Molinari with Joseph de Maistre

“Il est l’un des pères de la philosophie contre-révolutionnaire et un des critiques les plus importants des idées des Lumières. Il considère que la Révolution française représente un crime contre l’ordre naturel. Il défend le retour à une monarchie absolue. “

Jim says:

> not sure why anarchists should provide a particular solution to a problem caused by the government,

The government caused this problem by failure to enforce the borders, and failure to deport illegals. And you oppose enforcing the borders and deporting illegals.

If the government was not generously handing out welfare to illegals, we would receive considerably fewer illegals — but at least as many, and probably more, cartel members.

You need collective solutions to collective crime, and anyone applying those collective solutions is going to do the stuff a government does, and look mighty like a government.

Jim says:

> Now you never answered why you keep a collection of liberal/anarchist literature while being violently opposed to liberalism. It doesn’t make any sense does it.

I am an illiberal anarchist.

When John Locke was challenged on “whether a state of nature” had ever existed, he correctly replied that all the princes of the world are in a state of nature with respect to each other.

Spooner’s liberalism is incompatible with his anarchism, and the conversation we are having demonstrates it. Which is probably why he is not, and you are not, willing to acknowledge anarchic polities that have actually existed. They all, to the extent that they functioned successfully at all, which most of them did not, were extremely illiberal. They tended to resemble what I have been commending to Humungus.

Liberalism, not throne and altar, is the opposite of anarchism, just as communism is the opposite of equality. Humungus is the real anarchist, you are not.

white bread says:

>I am an illiberal anarchist

Although that’s a witty comeback, it is a meaningless answer to my question.

>Spooner’s liberalism is incompatible with his anarchism, and the conversation we are having demonstrates it.

To your credit you have allowed me many times to say things that hardly help your case. On the other hand this is anything but a free speech forum. So by no means I counter everything you say and in the way I would like to. And there isn’t too much incentive for me to do so. Point being, this censored conversation doesn’t prove what you say it proves.

>Pretty sure Musk is planning to re-engineer humanity – Seems he has some good ideas

And that is something any conservative would regard as insane. So you clearly are not a conservative at all.

>Liberalism, not throne and altar, is the opposite of anarchism

So your lackeys and now you are asserting that “freedom is slavery”. You are either trolling, or unable to use basic logic. Either way you don’t have an argument or anything close to it. And so there isn’t much for me to add.

Jim says:

> > Liberalism, not throne and altar, is the opposite of anarchism

> So your lackeys and now you are asserting that “freedom is slavery”.

Liberal freedom is slavery, in the same way as communist equality is inequality.

Obviously “freeing” children to change their sex, and “freeing” people from the bonds of marriage, is slavery. And similarly, “land to the tiller” was slavery — it meant in practice “land to the party”.

The liberal conception of freedom is as flawed and evil as the communist conception of equality. Communism was that all property should be owned in common. But of course obviously property cannot be owned in common, so it was owned by the party.

And, similarly, religious freedom. The Puritans in the events leading up to the English civil war rejected a state religion — and proceeded to enforce a state religion far more vigorously than the Throne and Altar monarchy that they overthrew. John Locke advocated religious freedom, and his ideas have were implemented not long after, first with latitudinarianism, and then later with the first amendment, and now we experience a state religion enforced with enormously more repression than existed in Shakespeare’s time, with the enforcement and repression done in large part in the name of freedom of religion. This is inherent in liberalism, and has happened from the very beginning.

In the English Restoration, when Throne and Altar returned, people celebrated it as the return of freedom. The formal and official end of religious freedom, the return to throne and altar, was seen as the restoration of freedom — relief from the oppression of the Puritan theocracy.

Now you are going to tell me that true liberalism has never been tried. Yes it has. Seventeenth century classic liberalism prefigured everything that we are suffering now. Locke on property was cleverly rationalising an unprincipled exception, and this unprincipled exception started to be undermined immediately, and Locke on blank slatism and religious freedom is exactly what Woke is now delivering in full measure. Shakespeare’s company of actors and the Globe theater was purchased by the King, and the actors became “The King’s men”. And he was directed to promote Throne and Altar, and did so. And he obviously had freedom, and modern playwrights obviously do not.

Compare recent Disney movies with Soviet movies produced under Stalin. Stalin’s playwrights and actors obviously had vastly more freedom than Disney’s, and Shakespeare vastly more freedom than either.

Shakespeare tells us that some Kings are wicked and foolish, and nature frequently mocks hereditary Kingship by giving us an ass for a lion, but the alternative is that if anyone can be King, the ensuring struggle is going to be bad for everyone. Disney tells us that women, blacks, gays, gay marriage, transexualisation, and all that, are wonderful. You cannot be an actor, director, writer, or whatever at Disney unless you whole heartedly and enthusiastically believe every single one of ten thousand things, most of them absurd, while Shakespeare was realistically cynical about Kings, the State Religion, and official history. And this was prefigured when Locke wrote on religious freedom, for the shape of religious freedom in practice had already been prefigured by the Puritans, and same causes soon led to the same effects.

white bread says:

>Liberal freedom is slavery

As you might now, or may be not, the latin word for freedom is libertas, and is obviously the source for all the liber* english words. So “liberal freedom” means “free freedom” and of course you just keep repeating that freedom is slavery, that is, trolling.

>Now you are going to tell me that true liberalism has never been tried.

I already told you that your misrepresentation of liberalism is a joke. You are setting up a man of straw and knocking it down. Congratulations.

Jim says:

> liberal freedom” means “free freedom”

In much the same way as communism means that all goods, or all means of production, are owned in common and shared equally

You are making the argument that true liberalism has never been tried. Like true communism, it has been tried repeatedly, always with the same result.

In Catalonia, they tried anarcho communism, with the results one would expect — terror, mass murder, and slavery. Anarcho liberalism is just as self contradictory as anarcho communism. Look at anarchic polities that were somewhat peaceful and somewhat orderly, that were not entirely failures. Were they remotely liberal? Liberal anarchism is as self contradictory as anarcho communism. Thus, for example Spooner was an anarchist and an abolitionist. How can you abolish slavery or serfdom except by an alarmingly powerful and intrusive state? Look how abolitionism manifested in practice. Locke’s unprincipled exception in favor of slavery was, like is unprincipled exception in favor of property in the means of production, a reflection of the natural order.

Jim says:

> your misrepresentation of liberalism is a joke

You are again telling us that true liberalism has never been tried. Like true communism, has been tried over and over, always resulting in actually existent communism or actually existent liberalism, to the kind of liberalism that the deep state is right now stuffing down our throats. The inherent self contradictions of communism were apparent in Karl Marx, and in previous attempts at communist polities, which he ignored. The self contradictions of liberalism were apparent in Locke’s blank slate epistemology and in his theology of religious tolerance, and rapidly became apparent in actual practice within Locke’s lifetime.

And you are similarly ignoring actual anarchic societies, which have frequently existed. To the extent that they are or have been somewhat functional, they have been illiberal beyond your ability to imagine. Anarchy does not work unless the priesthood sincerely believes a distinctly illiberal faith and knocks off religious dissidents.

white bread says:

By the way, your claim that “freedom is slavery” is of course the official view of the Ingsoc Party, James O’Brien.

>Locke’s blank slate epistemology…

…is obvious nonsense. Locke was mostly a charlatan who got some parts of political philosophy right. And rest assured that whatever he got right, he copied from previous philosophers.

As a side note, “blank slate epistemology” was part of Aristotle’s philosophy though obviously not taken to the idiotic extreme that Locke took it.

Jim says:

The problem is, what is freedom? Liberalism is slavery.

If adultery is a human right, marriage is illegal.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

‘Skilled immigration’ is a problem too, primarily with respect to the fact that almost all credentials are simply spoofed to begin with.

Anarch9 says:

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Fidelis says:

Is unlikely to be effective when the other side is using organised collective coercive violence.

Nothing to do with doughboy, but the state is violently supressing any would be retaliation against the coercive foreign violence. This continues to be far and away my biggest gripe with Donald the Disgraced, refusing to acknowledge and tear apart the system preventing the yeomen from organizing and retaliating. No, instead we get a police state, because everyone loves getting policed, especially when the policing is applied asymmetrically.

Jim says:

Because the cartels are large and organised, any private retaliation would have to be large and organised to be effective. And it would have to retaliate against people on the basis of identity — that someone is part of a gang that is doing bad things, not on the basis that that individual did some bad thing. Vigilantes are only effective against unorganised crime.

We have utterly intolerable levels of individual unorganised crime, and obviously the state should allow and encourage vigilantism. But a whole lot of what Ice is dealing with looks more organised. Notice the sudden dramatic drop in Fentanyl overdoses. That is big money going to big organisations, which have presumably been disrupted by some of their personnel being bagged. Sometimes on the basis of gang insignia, sometimes on the basis of individual crimes unrelated to their business operations, sometimes because Ice barges into a place of business that they know some target is at, and they find most people in there are undocumented (because everyone in there is a cartel employee). A vigilante could not barge into a cartel place of business and live.

Fidelis says:

Yes the cartels are organized, and yes taking on the cartel as an individual would be foolish and deadly.

My point is that there are lots of men that regularly sign up for various guards and militias, some more formal and some less formal. Deputize them. Estabilsh a pattern, reward the ones that accomplish anything, protect them from the glownigger feds, by whatever means available.

Establish a precedent of mass presidential pardons for vigilantism, make a deal with Desantis or something for a state they can go to when the inevitable conflict occurs.

There are millions of men willing to shoot, and the glownigger feds regularly conscript them into honeypots. Perhaps he cannot stop the glownigger feds from doing so, but I see no reason to believe he is unable to create his own organizations like this.

He thinks himself as a saviour of the republic. Well then, lets practice some civics. Stop treating your constituents like tax cattle, Donald. Deputize them.

Oskar says:

> ‘…just as communism is the opposite of equality.’

Yet further up the thread you said: ‘Property is an unprincipled exception to “all men are created equal”’

Which, if you mean *private* property, implies that *capitalism* is the opposite of equality.
Please clarify.

Jim says:

Capitalism is inherently unequal, and requires acceptance that all people are not equal, and inferior people should follow the direction of superior people.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Freedom is power, and powers are teleologies.

A statement like ‘this man is free’ is a statement that cannot provide any meaning by itself – outside of whatever unexamined exosemantic subtexts a particular reader may be imputing into it – because it is an abstraction unmoored from its objects. ‘I have freedom’ is not a meaningful statement; ‘I have freedom to do X’ *is* a meaningful statement.

And what is it that men who have called themselves ‘liberal’ want the freedom to do?

The freedom to destroy their neighbor’s property, of course. The freedom to take wives from husbands, to take capital from owners, and to fuck the sons of fathers in the ass – assuming they even have any.

They want the wrong things, and in so doing the wrong things, they cause powerless societies. Lands that can be described as ‘unfree’ are lands where the potency of men is denuded. Tyranny and weakness are isomorphies. Likewise, the equivocation of freedom as a positive association with flourishing; men can flourish when they are free to do the things that lead to flourishing.

‘Freedom’ and ‘responsibility’ are another conceptual co-relation; but in this case, the tactic is so often to *deny* any equivocation between them. When the moderne calls for ‘freedom’, so often, what they are really calling for is subsidization for any (of their) consequences.

To have the freedom to do something is to have the power to do something; but some things don’t have the power to do some things; and more pertinently, cannot be given the power, even if such a notion were to occur. And thus, are something that is fundamentally unfree, ‘natural slavery’.

Mayflower Sperg says:

‘I have freedom’ is not a meaningful statement; ‘I have freedom to do X’ *is* a meaningful statement.

Before moving, I compiled a list of everything a white man is free to do in America that he can’t do in Russia:

Smoke weed
Have sex with men
Browse PornHub without a proxy
Put on a dress and force people to address him as “ma’am”

Mossadnik says:

No freedom is as valuable as the freedom to own and maintain a family; and no freedom has been undermined more thoroughly by liberals of various stripes than this.

Feminism, a logical and inevitable outgrowth of liberalism (allowing natural families to form and perdure was an unprincipled exception, promptly discarded wherever liberalism was imposed), is fundamentally inimincal to the sexual, familial, and reproductive teloi, and to the freedom to pursue them; hence it must necessarily be the most oppressive form of tyranny.

Mossadnik says:

Since liberals always somehow mysteriously end up “punching upwards,” that is, they seek to topple apple carts standing in the way so they can better implement their liberal tyranny (and grab some apples), they are essentially the servants — or heralders, or pioneers — of Cthulhu; the posts made by the Beige Fed here aptly demonstrate that. They are always motivated by sinful inclinations, whatever virtue-signalling words they utter.

Mossadnik says:

Often congenital solipsists (to borrow a term from Saint P-C), they are wholly unconcerned about what mechanisms create value, or why it tends to be naturally distributed the way it does; they are rather concerned — or so goes the pretense — with redistributing value from its creators to “everyone” (i.e, no one), hence they are, at root, parasites.

Or to paraphrase Yarvin, “Freedom for the tick is no freedom for the dog.”

Jim says:

> are you saying that all people who go to the US to work in low paying jobs are actually there carrying out the final solution for whites?

It is completely obvious that the vast majority of illegals are living on crime, welfare, and voting Democrat, not in low paying jobs.

You see a lot of Mexicans hanging out the Home Depot parking lot waiting for low paying day jobs. Do you see Ice raiding the parking lot? That is not where the illegals are. If someone has his life sufficiently together to hold down a low paying job, chances are he has it sufficiently together to get legal status.

But yes. Every single person who came to America for a low paying job, which is a tiny proportion of those who have been coming here, should also be deported. Thus eliminating low paying jobs by turning them into high paying jobs, with the result that they get obsoleted by technology and lifestyle changes. We should keep the people who came here for high paying jobs, except the Indians.

Anon says:

“Notice the sudden dramatic drop in Fentanyl overdoses“

I just search and it is unbelievable, it actually falling rabidly. Is this just the cartels or is there an actual intent behind having a supply of fentanyl available in the street.

Jim says:

We were being invaded, and at least some part of the deep state wanted the cartels around to provide muscle for the coming civil war and white genocide. And, of course, along with the cartels came lots of Fentanyl. The Ice target list (illegals with some additional crime) tends to pick up cartel members, and when Ice raid, they pick up all the illegals in the same place, and cartel members tend to hang out with members from the same cartel. This could reasonably expected to be organisationally disruptive and thus disrupt the Fentanyl supply chain, among other things.

Alf says:

Closing the borders, stopping fentanyl, kayfabing Iran… Maybe we’re not getting everything on our wishlist but man that’s some good stuff.

Jim says:

You forgot to mention the biggest one of all. He is doing something about Harvard. Albeit anything short of tanks in Harvard is insufficient, but we are clearly headed in the correct direction.

The Cominator says:

Honestly Fentanyl never made sense to me as coming from capitalistic criminals it sounded glowniggery. A good drug doesn’t kill your customers right away and discourage others. A good drug (from the perspective of those selling it) is even if illegal
1) At least initially enjoyable
2) Highly addictive
3) But hopefully not lethal, very long term health problems are fine but you don’t want it killing people right away. Bad for business.
I don’t know why Fentanyl ended up getting mixed with cocaine, but it ain’t good for business.

Alf says:

He is doing something about Harvard.

I’ll trust you in that we’re on the right track. But I remain skeptical whether Trump understands the need for a state religion. He seems a liberal at heart, who believes that Harvard must go because it is a religion and no religion has business interfering in the state. Which is of course contrary to our stance that religion will by necessity always interfere in the state, if not Harvard then something else, therefore we better pick the best one and make it official.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

@Beige Fed

You are the Progressive that, because he calls himself Progressive, asserts that what he is is for progress.

But you know, people can just like, lie.

Mossadnik says:

The beige fed brings to mind Psalm 58:3,

The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

It’s a congenital condition.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

(I’d just like to note for the record that some of the first posts by this handle in these fora were reasonable apologetics on the subject of the mid century national socialist polity in Germany. An interesting topic for a ‘liberal anarchist’. Perhaps a new supervisor came with a new script.)

white bread says:

>some of the first posts by this handle – were reasonable apologetics on the subject of the mid century national socialist polity in Germany

Feel free to link those posts. Oh wait, you just spouted a ridiculous and complete lie so you can’t link anything.

Here, all nazis are supposed to “hate the jews” – but no, it doesn’t logically follow that all “jew haters” are nazis. In case you don’t get it, I belong to the non-nazi, jew-hater category. But hey, yet another textbook fallacy for you. Shocking.

Jim says:

https://blog.reaction.la/culture/holocaustianity/#comment-2966010

But yes, kind of weak sauce.

Early on, you started being anti oligarch and anti corporation. Which makes complete sense for a “liberal anarchist” (communist), but not much sense for a right anarchist or propertarian anarchist. As was pointed out, Metcalfe’s law and the Pareto principle implies big businesses. You think you are going to produce steel or transistors with an egalitarian commune? And in an anarchic society, a big business is going to have a big security force and some good weapons.

Merchants are going to do what the state religion and the state tells them to do. When power changed, the Google logo changed, and the google search engine changed. There are a lot of corporations that have had radical leftists embedded in them by state power, and, in consequence, are self destructing, now that they have to compete with regular corporations that pursue profit and stick to the lines laid down by the state.

Imagine an anarchic society that manages to have large scale trade and large scale technology (lack of which is the characteristic failure mode of past anarchic societies — you cannot move goods without facing far too many shakedowns)

For it to be relatively peaceful, there has to be an elite, and broad consensus among the elite on the rightful use of violence — what is crime, and what is resistance to crime and misconduct. Which in practice looks like a state religion without a state, or with a rather less than minimal state, a state that cannot tax or conscript. Such a broad consensus is a state faith without a state, and members of the elite will find it difficult to peacefully coexist with people of different faiths, which means the faith gets coercively enforced.

This is going to look rather like throne and altar monarchy of the Holy Roman Empire type. In the Holy Roman Empire, the Emperor was elected by the great men of the empire for life or gross misconduct, though they tended to elect the eldest son of the previous monarch, and the subjects of the emperor had the right to make war upon each other, with emperor arbitrating when they got tired of it, rather than dictating an outcome.

Election for life or good conduct plus nepotism is a good model for corporations. If the CEO can be too easily removed, then his interests will be short term, while interests of owners of shares are long term. You don’t want the most competent CEO. You want the most competent CEO whose interests are aligned with the interests of shareholders.

A functional high tech anarchic society is going to look a lot like the Holy Roman Empire, only with CEOs instead of lords. A “liberal anarchist” society is going to look the way communism always looks.

So illiberal anarchism is workable, and it makes perfect sense to be a throne and altar reactionary and an illiberal anarchist, for the difference in institutions is quite small, and a workable throne an altar society being a whole lot easier to accomplish than a workable anarchic society. People have not had a whole lot of success in making anarchy workable. Illiberal anarchism should work in theory, and some anarchic societies have sort of worked some of the time — with an enforced cohesive reasonably sane religion, most power being in the hands of rather few men, and a significant portion of the population enserfed or enslaved, but we have far more and far better examples of throne and altar monarchism working.

white bread says:

I won’t bother replying myself, but let the “inventor” of the monarcho-nonsense himself do the talkin.

Hans Hermann Hoppe :

“The greatest danger to freedom and prosperity in my view is the steadily increasing political centralization. The possibility of decentralization, exit and secession are essential for the preservation of human liberty.”

“My ideal is a world made up of thousands upon thousands of Liechtensteins: small territories run by a monarch or member of the natural elite…..allowing subunits of his country to secede if they so desire

This is obviously something quite different from the idea of the Silicon valley crowd taking over the present government and running it like a business (which is something that some Trumpists seem to have in mind). ”

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2025/06/hans-hermann-hoppe/an-ego-maniacal-writers-failed-attempt-at-guilt-by-association/

By the way, the article of course trashes the yarvin clown.

Jim says:

> This is obviously something quite different from the idea of the Silicon valley crowd taking over the present government and running it like a business (which is something that some Trumpists seem to have in mind).

The oligarch’s ideal of a state run like a corporation is exactly what we need, and will give us liberty. Observe what Musk did for liberty, when he couped USAID and similar lesser quasi state organisations. Musk is the primary spokesman, ideologue, and leader, for running the state like a corporation, and has been the primary force for liberty over the past twelve months, first by saving Twitter, then by destroying USAID. Anyone who opposes the Oligarchs and technocracy, opposes Musk, and anyone who opposes Musk opposes liberty.

Hoppe is of course correct, but holy War comes. Small, and preferably tiny, principalities, are ideal for liberty, even if they are internally absolutist monarchies, for if they are tiny enough, the absolute monarch is grandad. Unfortunately holy war approaches, and tiny principalities will be eaten one by one.

Hoppe correctly states that the Holy Roman Empire was a good approximation to his ideal, and it is also a good approximation to my ideal, many tiny principalities, but one Holy Emperor. Why do you think I refer to Trump as “Holy Emperor of the Ocean Lands”. Because I am an advocate of Hoppe.

The Medeans were a vast collection of tiny principalities, and the Assyrian empire was devouring them. So they united under one King and war leader, and gave him absolute and unlimited power, until Assyria should be destroyed. Assyria was destroyed, it is not clear whether by him and his son. And, once destroyed, the uniting absolute monarchy was dissolved.

We don’t know much about the Medeans. However, the Roman Republic was a very loose collection of gens, and each gen was internally powerful, and externally sovereign, and the Republic had the capability to appoint a dictator for the duration. However, the Republic was united by a state religion, which made this possible. as were anarchic societies that were reasonably functional. Since the Medeans destroyed the Assyrian Empire, we may reasonably suppose they were, like the Roman Republic, highly functional. They must have had some means of arbitrating clan disputes, which was probably a somewhat unitary priesthood, which by analogy with other Kingless societies of the time, supplied some of the functionality of a unitary state.

That the Assyrian cities vanished once the Medeans won indicates that the Medeans were not an urban people. We know they were herders, who raised sheep and horses on the steppes, therefore likely primarily nomads, like the Mongols, and they did a Mongol style number on the cities of Assyria. “You city dweller, you die”. And then, unlike the Mongols, went home. That Cyaxares presumably went back to herding his father’s sheep upon victory, as Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus went back to working on his farm, indicates a strong and widely shared faith. When Xenophon marched through what had been Assyria, centuries later, the cities remained largely empty.

Our information about the Medes is contradictory, with Greeks and Romans reporting wealthy and powerful Kings, and their nearer neighbours reporting a multiplicity of Kings except during military emergency. Archaeology, or rather the absence thereof, supports the account given by their nearer neighbors. Both accounts could be true, given that their neighbors did not understand the Medean political order. They could have had a multiplicity of Kings normally, and one immensely wealthy and powerful King when they thought they needed one immensely wealthy and powerful King. And right now we need one immensely wealthy and powerful King.

The Holy Roman Empire is my ideal end state, but it was built on uniting dysfunctional anarchic feudalism. Our problem is not dysfunctional anarchy, but undoing a left singularity — our problem is that which Charles the second dealt with, so needs a prescription resembling that of Charles the Second.

white bread says:

>Hoppe correctly states that the Holy Roman Empire was a good approximation to his ideal

Where does he state that? Oh, right, nowhere. Hoppe talks about thousands of very small independent units, the very opposite of any empire.

>many tiny principalities, but one Holy Emperor

That’s nonsense you just made up, not what Hoppe says.

>Why do you think I refer to Trump as “Holy Emperor of the Ocean Lands”

Because you are trolling and/or a nutcase.

Jim says:

> Where does he state that?

You are lecturing us on anarchy, but you know nothing about anarchy nor past anarchist thinkers. Because you are a “liberal anarchist” aka communist.

There are a lot of anarchist thinkers, notably Spooner, who have a foot in both camps, and Proudhon, the great self contradicter, was about ninety percent commie, but to his credit was aware of the contradiction.

But Hoppe is among those who are one hundred percent in my camp.

Hoppe tells us much about some particular independent principalities that actually existed and praises them glowingly. And they all existed as part of the Holy Roman Empire.

When Trump’s Holy Empire of the Ocean Lands absorbs Greenland, it will be under a “pact of free association”, not as another post civil war state. Which has a certain resemblance to the independent principalities of the Holy Roman Empire.

white bread says:

>You are lecturing us on anarchy

Indeed. Now, where’s the quote from Hoppe where he says that the holy roman empire is a “good approximation to his ideal”

Jim says:

The excellence of the Holy Roman Empire is implicit in every line of Hoppe’s discussion of particular independent principalities of the Holy Roman Empire that actually existed.

Liberal anarchism, like communism, is a theoretical ideal that ignores reality, and thus ignores real life examples.

white bread says:

>Because you are a “liberal anarchist” aka communist.

Please stop lying. Liberal anarchism is based on individual rights to life, liberty and property. It’s the opposite of communist anarchism. And I am an advocate of the former, not the later.

>There are a lot of anarchist thinkers, notably Spooner, who have a foot in both camps

Wrong again about Spooner, as always. And lying. As always.

>But Hoppe is among those who are one hundred percent in my camp.

Hoppe is not an anarchist – he is a monarchist. Hoppe is indeed an entryst. Subverting libertarianism in the US is pretty easy since there are no real libertarians there. Yet even Hoppe is way more libertarian and closer to anarchism than the likes you. As the actual quotes I provided prove.

Jim says:

> > Because you are a “liberal anarchist” aka communist.

> Please stop lying. Liberal anarchism is based on individual rights to life, liberty and property

Well, if all men are created equal, should not they get equal property? — you regularly rant about our corporate overlords, which in practice means liberating the farmer from his mortgage, and also his farm, and the owner of a Dominoes pizzeria from the Dominoes franchise, and also his pizzeria.

Anyone who is an enemy of the tech lords is an enemy of Musk, and anyone who is an enemy of Musk is an enemy of liberty.

And by the way, the tears you wept for the poor Palestinians currently being genocided has a curious resemblance to the tears the probable new mayor of New York has been weeping.

And as for liberty, where do you stand on the liberty of women and gays: Should they get liberty? If not, why not? If women get liberty, what liberty do men lose?

white bread says:

Ok, to finish this off, and finish you off, let’s hear Hoppe again :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOsm4_NYZy8

46:48
“trump is a protectionist and Trump is a war maker”
“he already sends huge sums of money to Israel to conduct a war”
“he bombs now the Houthis”
“he was involved in bombing Syrians and of course he is still involved in the Ukraine war and still sending weapons and so forth to the Ukraine”

So just like Hoppe says, trump is a warmonger, puppet of the jews, started a new war against Yemem, AND a new war against Iran after Hoppe gave this speech.

47:34
“the other great friend that he had was zelensky” (Hoppe was talking about the milei clown)
“zelensky also Jewish promoted by the Jewish oligarchs in the Ukraine – they hugged each other” (zelensky and milei)

“then of course his greatest friend of all is Netanyahu”
“now Netanyahu whatever you say about Netanyahu I mean Netanyahu is of course a mass killer”
“he is involved in genocide – I cannot understand how any libertarian would ever defend a man like Netanyahu but he was dancing in the street with Netanyahu”

Wow, Hoppe is clearly an antisemitic communist who believes in lefty fairy tales about “genocide”

So keep lying Jim. That’s the only thing you can actually do.

Jim says:

That is a very slow, and very long you tube video. I don’t trust your interpretation of Hoppe. After all, there is plenty in this blog condemning the continuation of the Ukraine war and continued intervention in the Middle East, but unless we weep sufficient tears for the Palestinians and the Iranians, you don’t think it is enough. I doubt that his condemnation is as different from ours as you represent it to be.

So I watched the video starting at 45:00

You lie. He does not call Trump a warmonger. He calls him a warmaker — like pretty much any head of state. In context he states not that Trump is a warmonger, but that Trump is very far from being libertarian. Does anyone on this blog suggest that Trump is libertarian? In context he is not condemning Trump, but Milei, and not Milei, but Milei’s claim to be a libertarian.

White bread quotes Hoppe:

zelensky also Jewish promoted by the Jewish oligarchs in the Ukraine – they hugged each other” (zelensky and milei)

And how is this different from what you will find on this blog?

Your quotes don’t support your interpretation of Hoppe, and don’t support your claim that he is saying anything very different from what I and other people say on this blog.

Hearing him context, he sounds very different from you — no “liberal anarchism”, no condemnation of the tech oligarchs such as Musk, and no bitter salty tears for the poor poor Palestinians.

In context, his criticism of Trump is that Milei claimed to be a libertarian, but is not acting like a libertarian. Hoppe does not condemn Trump, in context, he just reminds us that Trump is no libertarian.

He then immediately goes on to praise Germany when it was divided into hundreds of tiny principalities. When Germany was divided into hundreds of tiny principalities it was part of the Holy Roman Empire. What he neglects to say is that the little independent principalities were able to have mostly peaceful and safe cooperate/cooperate relationships with each other because they were part of the Holy Roman Empire.

When the Holy Roman Empire ceased to be in 1806, relationships became less peaceful and less safe, resulting in unification sixty five years later.

When Greece was divided into a multitude of little states, Athens started to assert hegemonic dominance over them all, with the Delian league developing into the Athenian Empire, as Nato became the major arm of the Global American Empire. This led to the Peloponnesian War, to decide who would have hegemony over Greece: Athens or Sparta. Answer, Sparta, sort of, but because the war had been so long and terrible it was a rather inconclusive hegemony, so they wound up conquered by Macedonia, which did exert the kind of decisive unification that never happened in the Holy Roman Empire. But, because Alexander was a faggot, the Macedonian rule became a never ending series of civil wars between would be military dictators, so they wound up being conquered by Rome. Genghis Kahn’s empire lasted because he was straight, horny, virile, and manly, as were his numerous sons.

Jim says:

> Hoppe is not an anarchist – he is a monarchist.

I could with equal truth, or rather equal untruth, claim that Spooner is not an anarchist, he is a commie.

Of course Spooner is an anarchist. And of course Hoppe is an anarchist. Hoppe is a propertarian anarchist, who sees relationships between men as property rights. A serf has a property right in the land, in that he cannot evicted except for cause. And the lord has a property right in the serf, in that the serf, unlike a tenant, may not leave.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Perhaps a new supervisor came with a new script.

It’s uncanny, isn’t it? And there’s been a real, albeit almost imperceptible shift since his ranting in older threads like “The Logos is risen”. For example:

corporatism is just “right wing” communism.

He’s clearly got a raging hate boner for “big corporations”, and yet a true-blue libertarian, ancap or other “anarchist” would not only not have a problem with corporate monopolies and oligopolies, he’d view it as inevitable in light of Metcalfe’s Law and the Pareto Principle. Indeed, anarchists tend to hold that large enough corporations will (not “should”, because moralizing is irrelevant, but necessarily must and will as a matter of incentives) build or hire their own private militias and security forces.

The only “anarchists” who are both anti-state and anti-corporate are “anarcho-syndicalists” or “anarcho-communists”, AKA plain old communists. Which I guess is what a “liberal anarchist” must be, since I’ve never heard the term before in any other context, and liberalism is just a synonym for communism anyway.

But a commie wouldn’t rise to the defense of Literally Hitler, who hated commies even more than he hated Jews. Yet Moldy Bread can’t possibly be a Fascist with a capital F (or “anarcho-fascist” for those trying to be cute) because he also hates collusion between the state and the corporations, to wit:

I’m talking about how big business and the state cooperate for mutual benefit, against “we the people”.

So I guess Moldy Bread wants to destroy the state and corporations, and essentially have everyone living in mud huts and scratching at the dirt with sticks.

The conclusion is either that, or a script that changes to suit whatever the current narrative is supposed to be.

Mossadnik says:

A good rule-of-thumb is that authentic, reasonable antisemites (with whom I sympathize) are okay with “Jews should fuck off to Israel,” indeed, I consistently and passionately advocate it myself.

Meanwhile, the feds, the nutcases, and the muttoids will never be okay with that, each group for its own respective reasons.

Fidelis says:

My ideal is crushing my enemies, driving them before me, and dividing up their virgin daughters as loot among my loyal troops.

We’re going to implement a standing army, collect taxes to pay for the army and its logistics, and we’re going to roll up all your lichtensteins into the empire.

>oh no but my feelings about real anarchy and stuff
Lord Humongous says hello, and requests you store extra guzzoline for him to take later.

The Cominator says:

“Where does he state that? Oh, right, nowhere. Hoppe talks about thousands of very small independent units, the very opposite of any empire.”

You’re not tall enough for this ride.

S says:

“Where does he state that? Oh, right, nowhere. Hoppe talks about thousands of very small independent units, the very opposite of any empire.”

The closest approximation to ‘thousands of very small independent units’ is the Holy Roman Empire (which had something like 300 independent units at one time).

If you want wholly independent, you’ll have to look to classical greece, which got conquered by an outside empire. Collective defense means there can’t be long term total independence- the individual units must subordinate war against outside powers to a central authority.

Mossadnik says:

So is this guy a Turk or what?

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Hoppe does not condemn Trump, in context.

Even if Brown Toast was being entire faithful to the source material, I’d have to ask: “so what?” It’s such a sad, obnoxious, clumsy appeal to false authority.

As I’ve said before, it is exactly like when the apparat media trots out a podiatrist to support the vaxx, or a physicist to support climate alarmism, or a social psychologist to explain game design. There’s no awareness that experts are experts in a particular and usually narrow subject, only Experts as a social class whom you must respect and defer to in all matters. “Hoppe said this, and Hoppe is your God, therefore I win.”

Hoppe has some interesting ideas on some topics, like the importance of physically removing bad actors. He has some not so interesting ideas on other topics, like performative contradictions as a curiously ineffectual epistemological trump card. And he no doubt has formed opinions on matters about which he is no more knowledgeable about than any one of us, because it is impossible to avoid hearing about these things that are constantly shouted through the GAE’s megaphones.

Even if Hoppe had used the exact words that Moldy Bagel wished he had used, something like “Trump is a warmonger who is under the direct control of the BIG MEANIE terrorist state known as Israel”, which he obviously did not say, I’d have to ask: who fuckin’ cares? Because he wrote some interesting texts in one area, he’s the final authority in all others?

Yarvin is/was very wise on matters of power dynamics and revolutionary movements, but weak on the woman question. Heartiste was a luminary on Game, but had nothing to offer in terms of marriage or higher social technology. Vox Day has a keen understanding of left-wing hive mind tactics and a great contrarian on economic issues like free trade, but a proven kook on almost every legitimate scientific field and many historical ones. And Trump his own self is a charismatic leader and a brilliant negotiator but still a hapless boomer when it comes to grand strategy.

No one is an expert in every field of human endeavor and it’s not some brilliant “gotcha” moment to dredge up 30 seconds of video during which a generally well-regarded individual happens to disagree on a subject that’s way outside his wheelhouse. It just makes Stale Baguette look petty, spiteful and desperate.

Mossadnik says:

There’s no awareness that experts are experts in a particular and usually narrow subject, only Experts as a social class whom you must respect and defer to in all matters. “Hoppe said this, and Hoppe is your God, therefore I win.”

It’s a very Eastern mentality. E.g., you can find it among some kikes, who would cite a rabbi (or a secular equivalent thereof) as Authority to “substantiate” an argument, regardless of whether the actual content of the citation has any [empirical, observable] bearing on the topic under discussion.

“The Guru said so!”

Freddo Frog says:

“White [anything]” in a username is a secret police tell.

“Orange [King/Emperor/etc]” in a comment is a street commie tell.

Oog en Hand says:

“Leo’s Dad — 1 day ago
Politics aside, the crisis is rooted in the Church. No evangelization. Mealy-mouthed teaching on life issues. Disastrous leadership. If Holy Mother Church had holy men running it and holy laity listening and doing their part, even as a current minority in this country, we would be exporting people to convert the world. The average young family in our Latin rite parish has 4 children, up to 12. New rite parishes have 1 or 2.”

Latin Rite. Germanic equivalents: Old English, Old Norse, Gothic. Even modern Icelandic could be a step in the right direction.

Mossadnik says:

I’ll admit to being “extremely biased.”

But I really love the God-Emperor.

BREAKING NEWS…I was shocked to hear that the State of Israel, which has just had one of its Greatest Moments in History, and is strongly led by Bibi Netanyahu, is continuing its ridiculous Witch Hunt against their Great War Time Prime Minister! Bibi and I just went through HELL together, fighting a very tough and brilliant longtime enemy of Israel, Iran, and Bibi could not have been better, sharper, or stronger in his LOVE for the incredible Holy Land. Anybody else would have suffered losses, embarrassment, and chaos! Bibi Netanyahu was a WARRIOR, like perhaps no other Warrior in the History of Israel, and the result was something that nobody thought was possible, a complete elimination of potentially one of the biggest and most powerful Nuclear Weapons anywhere in the World, and it was going to happen, SOON! We were fighting, literally, for the Survival of Israel, and there is nobody in Israel’s History that fought harder or more competently than Bibi Netanyahu. Despite all of this, I just learned that Bibi has been summoned to Court on Monday for the continuation of this long running, (He has been going through this “Horror Show” since May of 2020 – Unheard of! This is the first time a sitting Israeli Prime Minister has ever been on trial.), politically motivated case, “concerning cigars, a Bugs Bunny doll, and numerous other unfair charges” in order to do him great harm. Such a WITCH HUNT, for a man who has given so much, is unthinkable to me. He deserves much better than this, and so does the State of Israel. Bibi Netanyahu’s trial should be CANCELLED, IMMEDIATELY, or a Pardon given to a Great Hero, who has done so much for the State. Perhaps there is no one that I know who could have worked in better harmony with the President of the United States, ME, than Bibi Netanyahu. It was the United States of America that saved Israel, and now it is going to be the United States of America that saves Bibi Netanyahu. THIS TRAVESTY OF “JUSTICE” CAN NOT BE ALLOWED!

Maybe we should place his statue in the center when we build the Temple. I’ll convene the Elders of Khazaria to discuss the matter, to which I thank you for paying attention.

(I consider Trump to be my President, although I’ve never been to any part of the Anglosphere in my entire life, and don’t plan to either. This post made me think to myself, “Mossadnik, let’s rub one out.” It’s about time for me to open 666 new horrible, just horrible tabs; and no need to enhance the experience with weed, off which I’ve been successfully weaned – for now. I am already super horny.)

Seriously, God bless Donald ben Frederick!

Jim says:

Let us see which side the JooJooJoo brigade takes — they are very concerned that Bibi is Jewish, unconcerned that Blinken and Zelensky is Jewish, and unconcerned that the Israeli supremes are Jewish.

Mossadnik says:

If Trump succeeds here, it could be a sign that the GAE-in-Exile has lost much its power. And if the GAE loses the periphery of the empire, next it might well lose the heart of the empire.

Mossadnik says:

We may not have completed or even seriously intended a regime change in Iran – but what I’m actually excited about is the prospect of regime change in Israel; toppling the Regressive “Elite” ruled by the tyrannical and illegitimate Supreme Court and run by Epstein’s best friend, Ehud Barak.

We are all your soldiers, O Donald ben Frederick. Give us the signal and we shall obey! You have millions of WRATHFUL Eurasian Tribesmen (with military experience) at your command.

Those B-2s should target the tyrannical and illegitimate Supreme Court. Jim is 100% right about this issue – our biggest problem by far is the faith of Progressivism, and the endless attempts on the part of its sickening, despicable adherents to Color Revolution our Leader.

It’s time for REGIME CHANGE IN ISRAEL.

FrankNorman says:

>>It’s time for REGIME CHANGE IN ISRAEL.

Mossadnik, would you say those “Progressive” Jews there in Israel have a goal they clearly see and are “progressing” towards, or are they just virtue-signalling and ignoring where it leads to?

Mossadnik says:

Mossadnik, would you say those “Progressive” Jews there in Israel have a goal they clearly see and are “progressing” towards, or are they just virtue-signalling and ignoring where it leads to?

Well, what characterizes them above all is doublethink. The real-world result of the implementation of their myriad and ever-shifting weltanschauungen is the annihilation of Israel and the extermination of all Jews in Israel, which they instinctively (but necessarily consciously) desire, both because leftist brains are wired for self-hatred, and because leftists always side with anti-civilization against civilization.

As with all leftists, there is no point trying to pinpoint what their “real beliefs” are – they change from moment to moment, as leftism, particularly of the demonic variety, is ultimately not a “consistent ideology,” but a deeply-wired temperament (or spiritual predisposition, if you will) which hijacks and/or cultivates worldviews in order to give its possessors a thrill — a dopamine hit — out of seeing their own people, country, and civilization destroyed. That’s what they are doing, but they are not necessary conscious of doing it. It’s their autopilot.

The ultimate end-goal is always “everyone dead and everything destroyed.” There never was anything else, and Israeli leftists are absolutely no different than any other leftists, except perhaps in having particularly high verbal IQs allowing them to be more successful at virtue-signalling. It’s always at bottom a Gnostic death-cult getting a thrill out of suffering and death, primarily the suffering and death of those most similar to themselves, i.e., fellow Israeli Jews.

It’s always a shriek from the darkest depths of Gehenna.

Mossadnik says:

(Fixing typo – not necessarily consciously. The point is that many of them are not biologically capable of grasping what it is that they are doing. In their minds, they are really brave heroes fighting for this, that, or the other “lofty ideal.” In practice, they are motivated by absolutely sinful inclinations, which their bifurcated brains excel at rationalizing. Demoniacs gonna demoniac. Now, some of the more high functioning ones probably are aware of what they are doing, and they don’t care regardless, because they are evil people. But the True Believers generally don’t grasp — can not biologically grasp — that it’s Lucifer animating them.)

Mossadnik says:

The typical leftist also tends to be an unhappy person (the more leftist, the less happy), whose deep seated desire — rationalized with whatever clever, oh so clever verbiage — is to bring everyone else down to xir’s own level of misery. They are epistemologically blind, in that they can’t tell what is beneficial and what is detrimental, at least when it comes to things far away and/or not immediate. This inevitably ties in with moral blindness, or moral inversion. They hate existence itself for existing, and above all else, they hate/envy happy people for being happy.

Perhaps leftism is also a byproduct of some originally adaptive process gone awry. In the same way that well-placed scars make men attractive to women because they signal resilience and hint at danger (hence, tattoos), the ability to rationalize evil, to confidently assert wicked bullshit obviously detached from reality and get away with it, must be rooted in some ancient selection processes that had been at least somewhat adaptive back in some historical or prehistorical context, whether in the ancestral environment of all apes (so, likely having a preverbal origin), or in the Jewish case, the highly verbal environment of Talmudic pilpul. Telling obvious lies and getting away with it signals the same thing, but perhaps in a more subtle or “sophisticated” way, as having a bunch of scars. Women don’t find dysfunctional spiteful mutants attractive, nor do they find invalids with broken bones and a skin disease attractive, but alas, they do find competent leftists (competent evil) very attractive, and this latter type tends to get much simping from women. Plus, of course, parasitic freeloaders gonna parasitically freeload.

So you have unhappy people who want everyone else to be at least as unhappy as they are (that’s often the temperament), plus some selection processes — likely active both in prehistorical/preverbal times and, at least among Jews, in historical/verbal periods — for traits that signal competent evil, such as, in the case of high functioning leftists, the ability to tell obvious sinister lies — rationalize evil and madness — and get away with it; which toxic combination might well explain the modern leftoid phenomenon.

The Cominator says:

The happiest people on the political spectrum who pay attention at all are boomer normiecons. Leftist tend to be especially unhappy now because they are so heavily wayed to gays and single young women who also tend to be mentally ill. Its an interesting question if their leftism made them miserable or their misery made them leftists but I suspect more the former because there are plenty of non leftists who are miserable people.

Mossadnik says:

I believe leftist misery is mostly independent of external circumstances – it’s something deeply ingrained. Put another way, if you see a jubilant leftist, don’t be surprised if one day he will no longer be a leftist, since his brain possesses at least some healthy infrastructure. But the leftist who can’t be happy for longer than a few seconds, and particularly, the leftist who is all the more despondent the more the society he parasitizes thrives – that is the true leftist.

True leftists love fake smiles; they despise genuine ones. A radiant countenance makes them shudder, like you have committed a grave sin against the religion of doom-and-gloom. And again, it’s mostly independent of external circumstances; for instance, the leftist can be quite rich, and you can be a total poorfag, and yet by being authentically happy in their presence, you shall absolutely ruin that leftist’s day. They are dead inside, and want everyone else to die (“inside” or literally) too.

The leftist’s ideology is ad hoc rationalization for why your happiness must be reduced.

Neurotoxin says:

In the same way that well-placed scars make men attractive to women because they signal resilience and hint at danger (hence, tattoos), the ability to rationalize evil, to confidently assert wicked bullshit obviously detached from reality and get away with it [signals power].

It’s the mirror image of point deer/make horse. “I can annoy the crap out of everyone by calling that deer a horse, and no one can stop me.” This demonstrates a certain amount of social power.

Mossadnik says:

Yes.

Also, women would like to think that they’re pretty good at manipulation, and no doubt some of them are, but that they keep falling for glib gaslighters time and again (due to ancient sexual selection processes that had been active before patriarchy curbed female mate choice, that is, back when we looked rather like apes) suggests that, at the very least, when their hindbrain is activated and their ‘gina tingles, their intersexual behavior becomes no more rational than male behavior when we have raging boners, likely indeed far less rational. And around glib gaslighters, alas, their ‘gina doth tingle very much, making them highly prone to be manipulated by bad faith actors.

The liberation of female sexuality invariably brings back ancient sexual selection processes for low-trust, antisocial traits.

Mossadnik says:

Put another way, they are sexually attracted to men who would defect on them in a heartbeat and steal their money, while their pussies dry up like the Sahara desert around non-manipulative, decent men. So, expectedly, under modern sexual liberalism (the most oppressive tyranny of all), they get repeatedly defected on and have their money stolen, and disproportionately give birth to demonspawn bastards – breeding dysgenically. The results are seen all around us in the rapidly declining, deteriorating, degenerating quality of humanity.

Everyone around has become a demon (I’m only slightly exaggerating), because for far too long women have been allowed and encouraged — not that they needed much encouragement — to wet their panties for demon dicks. For humanity to not descend into the bottomless pit, women need to be prevented from exercising their sexual strategies and impulses, which are rooted in a very distant past and unsuitable in / incompatible with civilization. When women make their own sexual choices, no one is happy, antisocial phenotypes proliferate far and wide, and eventually reproduction all but ceases.

The Cominator says:

I thought Netanyahu after October 7th became more universally disliked and was dependent on the war to stay in power. Basic story is that its widely believed in Israel that Netanyahu knew about the October 7th attack in advance and purposely held back security forces from stopping the attack so he would have a pretext to launch his war. While the latter part worked he lost tons of supporters over it…

Mossadnik says:

The people telling you that engage in demonic inversion, because they want me dead, and more crucially perhaps, want you dead.

I’ve already explained at length what we Real Israelis know that happened on October 7, and I see no reason to belabor the point – 99% of what you read on my country is bullshit, with much bullshit posted in this comment section too, and if I were to go lie after lie after lie after lie refuting the endless bullshit, I would be doing nothing else besides, and Jim would ban me for zio shilling.

Here is what I wrote about it in this thread:

October 7 itself was the result of our leftist elite committing high treason – October 7 was planned and designed to topple Bibi. But it “succeeded too much” (the leftists wanted 50-100 dead. Ended up with 1,200 dead), and now here we are.

Ehud Barak’s (he is the chief string puller) plan was and is — the psyop is still ongoing! — “Let’s deliberately turn a blind eye to the glaringly obvious Hamas plan to conquer Israel, get some Jews killed, then blame it on the Bad Purple Man and finally bring him down.” But the treason succeeded far more than they expected.

Proverbs 26:27:

“Whoso diggeth a pit shall fall therein: and he that rolleth a stone, it will return upon him.”

And all honest Israelis understand that.

Netanyahu’s approval rating has never been higher, and anyone telling you otherwise wants me dead, wants Donald Trump dead, and wants you dead.

Jim says:

Obviously I don’t want this blog to become all Israel all the time. And if you go around defending Israel, a lot of people are going to be triggered into criticising Israel. I don’t care about these issues, which get far too much space on the internet, because Jews tend to be obsessed with Jews, and nutcases tend to be obsessed with Jews.

However a lot of the criticism is leftist lies, which I don’t want regurgitated on this blog with no pushback — so a bit more pushback is welcome.

If as is likely, it leads to never ending threads, well the offender is the one who posts repetitiously and unresponsively. (Who is usually the one who brought up the topic)

In America, 911 happened in large part because the FBI did not want to know anything bad about Mohammedans, and did not want anyone else to know anything bad about Mohammedans. So I figured the Hamas October seven attack on Israel was probably more of the same old same old, without examining, or caring about, the evidence.

And, of course, whenever this see no evil policy blows up in their faces, they are going to point their fingers at the insufficiently left. And I don’t want finger pointing at the insufficiently left regurgitated on this blog without pushback.

I get a whole lot of shill posts pointing out that Mohammedans do bad things. Which unquestionably they do. It is a huge problem. If you look at the borders of Islam on a map of the world, it is all low level war all the time, which occasionally breaks out into high level war, which would be a good argument for another crusade, if Christendom still existed. But restoring Christendom is a rather more urgent project.

If Israel became Jewish, the west became Christian, and India became Hindu, then would be a good time for a crusade. But right now that is a distraction, and strangely, none of the people pushing this distraction can pass the shill test.

So we have a government program of ignoring bad things done by Mohammedans, and also at the same time a government program of informing the Christian right of those bad things. Just as we have a government program of suppressing “Nazism”, and Nazis on the government payroll promoting actual Nazism. Which government promoted Nazism became war in the Ukraine.

The left wants its enemies to fight its enemies. I think the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and if he is not my friend, it is a really bad time to bring the matter up.

Mossadnik says:

Here is a recent poll question measuring fitness for the premiership between some likely candidates – that was from a day or two ago.

https://www.c14.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/WhatsApp-Image-2025-06-26-at-20.09.56-1200×675.jpeg

You may not read Hebrew, but if you can recognize faces, you should get the point. And the real approval is in fact much higher than that.

Anyone telling you that Netanyahu is “unpopular” is a shill. He has never been more popular.

HardTruth Hardy says:

[*deleted for failure to follow the moderation policy*]

Jim says:

New commenters must commit a thought crime, or reject a thought crime in a way that reveals the actual content of the thought crime that they are rejecting.

Whiteness and white identity is not a thought crime. Noticing racial and sexual differences is a thought crime. How was Detroit destroyed? In white flight, what are whites fleeing?

You are allowed to argue that the differences are only cultural, environmental or ideological, but you are not allowed to presuppose that — your argument has to reflect the context that your interlocutor regularly refers to blacks as plains apes.

Redbible says:

So I recall some time in the past, Jim mentioned that the easiest way to seduce women (in a group) being done by a group of men. The gist of it goes something like this: The group of men need a clear leader, that they all respect. The group of men hang close enough to the group of women, so that the women’s alpha radar picks up on who the leader is (this can take up to 60 or so minutes). Leader of the men breaks into the group of women, and warms them up for a few minutes. After a few minutes, the leader should give a signal of some kind, and the rest of the group of men joins in. The leader divides the women among the group of men, and everyone gets a happy end.

Now for my question about this. The men should probably already roughly figured out how the women will be divided before hand, but that still leaves the matter of actually dividing up the women. Should the Leader be more direct in the dividing, something akin to “you with him” or should it appear to be more ‘naturally spontaneous’ and that people ‘just so happened to match up.’

I’m asking for guidance, since I think I can arrange a group of friends to be able to pull this off.

Jim says:

Women are remarkably compliant with authority in this situation, so the group having agreed in advance to a division without the women observing, ideally the leader dispatches the women as planned and all males in the group implicitly accede to a decision seemingly made on the spot by the leader.

Jim says:

I wrote:

Women are remarkably compliant with authority in this situation

Presupposing all shit tests passed, but under the circumstances, you probably will not get anything that cannot be passed by gentle condescension, agree and amplify, and all the usual pickup artist armory. The tougher shit tests are likely to be incoming after each chick has been split from the group.

Cloudswrest says:
Fidelis says:

Please do not post bare links to xitter. If its a text only post, copy the text. If its a video, tell us what’s in the video.

As is, this is just a sort of spam. We all could easily get a large stream of such links by logging into Musk’s platform ourselves, without the hassle of clicking on each item.

Assume links are temporary and easily broken, while these comments will be archived and read many years later; a very common case with forums such as this. Be nice to the future reader, and don’t spam him with links he cannot click that have no other context.

cloudswrest says:

Summary, The Zman was found dead of suddenly.

Cloudswrest says:

Here’s further information (without hot links).

John Derbyshire @DissidentRight
My friend the Z-man (ZMAN, @TheRealZBlog) died Wednesday night or Thursday morning, apparently of natural causes. As well as being a fellow dissident, Chris was a keen & very helpful supporter of my own efforts. He edited and hosted Radio Derb at his website https://thezman.com/wordpress/ from the destruction of http://VDARE.COM last July to June 6th this year, when I retired. Rest in peace, Z.

S says:

Is there any confirmation? Alot of people in the thread were pointing out he’d posted 9 hours before

Cloudswrest says:

Ramzpaul said on his podcast this evening that he received a call from Lydia Brimelow (who is local) Thursday afternoon informing him. He said she said she was informed by the sheriff dept. She said they told her they “did not suspect any foul play”. “Natural causes” was Ramzpaul’s “at the momemt” mental interpretation/translation.

Bouncer says:

Oops f-ed that formatting up. I had it all in paragraphs, and even failed to type out the name properly.
Whatever.
I miss B posting here, he was at least open about his Jewish bias and unlike the present shills, not retarded on the topic.

Sad how the slightest criticism of Jews gets devolved by any Jews into an argument about them. Almost as if it were a defensive mechanism/script.

Bouncer says:

Let me try again, I carefully wrote it out in a text editor first to hit every point I thought needed hitting:
———-
>Trouble with you, Bouncer, is that you think Israel is the real enemy and the real power.
*ahem*:
Nuts.
Now you’re the one trying to stick words I didn’t say in my mouth.

As orthodox_uber_chad correctly pointed out, Israel is a massive blind spot for you. If anything, it is the USA that is Israel’s client-state, usually indulged but frequently milked. When one looks carefully at Trump’s “decisive action” (against Harvard anti-Zionism) one sees that it is not all that intensive, and leaves all the rest of the Ivy league colleges untouched, much like the rollback of federal DIE programs leaves all the state-level DIE orgs untouched. Trump is barely scratching the surface, when he should have gone scorched-earth on the Ivy leagues from day one.

Jews are not the only problem (a view you and the local jews keep trying to pin on me as per the usual scripts they follow and which you tolerate), but they still are a massive problem, one you choose to ignore.
Let me quote you yourself Jim, when you were mid-rant about Venezuela and “nazis”, and the link here was still at jim.com:
” War with Iran, yes that would indeed be war for Israel.”
https://blog.reaction.la/war/the-reactionary-program/#comment-2020105

Jim, it’s rather clear from many of your past comments that you’re part of the Boomer generation or the one just after them – this colors your worldview rather differently to those of us who hit adulthood from the mid-90’s onward. Be careful of your pride blinding you – your post titled “preen” when you felt Musk was reading your blog shows you’re still vulnerable to entryists using flattery as the philo-semites here do.

There are plenty of valid criticisms of Jews (both religious and not), and a lot of direct quotes, video footage etc. etc. to be found online in multiple places – dismissing them all under some nonsensical propaganda label, is strange for an otherwise logical person, and it is foolish to be unquestioningly pro-Jewish when you’re not one of them yourself.

The average “philo-semite” tends to start with the assumption that people who despise Jews are sick/mentally-ill/evil and that they formed their beliefs/views with no logical basis at all then they work backwards trying to prove it, choosing to silence dissent with cries of cries of “shill! shill!” and often resorting to “Not All Jews Are Like That” arguments, as if one non-pozzed person somehow counterbalances the thousands in the same group who are more than happy to shit in the bed as long as they don’t have to lie down it themselves – such behavior among philo-semites is not the exception, it is the rule.

People have despised Jews for as long as Jews have lived in other people’s societies, and it’s never been because people wanted to “steal what Jews have” as I’ve seen Jim claim without any evidence… it has always simply been because Jews’ relationship to their host countries resembles that of a tapeworm – a particularly harmful and damaging one at that.

I don’t give a shit why “tHe NaZiS” supposedly hate Jews (though Emil Maurice might have something interesting to say about it, were he still alive) – I hate what they do in our society, and I condemn them the same way and for the same reasons everyone from Christ and St. Paul onwards (at least) condemned them all the way back to their (genetic and/or theological) ancestors the Philistines: they hypocritically act in ways that makes social problems worse among the host society, and are the most vigorous and prominent attackers of our asabiyyah, our gemeinschaft – even when they aren’t progressives themselves, they overwhelmingly support progressive causes in any of the societies they live within, including but not only: secular rule, feminism, anti-racism, multiculturalism, abortion, pornography, anti-natalism, gay “marriage”, interracial race-mixing, transgenderism, mass immigration and communism/socialism itself.

No amount of NAJALT will counter-balance this: even Jewish individuals who don’t themselves cause direct harm to the societies they live in, consistently fail to stop Jews who do cause harm, and some/many actively defend such from any non-Jews who try to stop what they do. No “conspiracies” are needed – just an excess of in-group sympathy and mutual assistance. And let’s not get into the TRILLIONS of dollars we’ve squandered over the decades since WW2 supporting our treacherous frenemy Israel, when that money should have been spent right here in America solving our own issues.

Instead America is like a blond, blue-haired girl from a good family who grows up in a 99% White town and goes off to college believing everything we’re told by TV that a goodperson ought to believe, and ends up dating Israel Niggerious Washington attending on an “athletic scholarship”, and so little America ignores all her parents’ warnings because she’s told they’re just being racist, puts up with his lazing around all day not going to class or working, makes excuses for him when he maxes out ALL her credit cards, “borrows” her car when she needs it to go to work or whatever, leaves her home strewn with trash, and shares naked photos of her with his friends. Imagine, finally that America gets fed up with the asshole basket-american she’s been dating, and finally does something sensible and tells him she’s sick of his shit, only to be slapped around and told she’s a “racist” ho and needs to shut up or get shanked – THAT is the relationship the USA has with Israel.

Readers should find and read a copy of Rahf Jürgen’s book “Paranoid Judaism, or why most of the jews are paranoid“, and any Christians should watch the documentary titled “Christians of the Holy Land” which has been deleted off YouTube. As Albert Einstein (himself Jewish) said: “There is no such thing as a French Jew, a German jew, or an American Jew, they are all just simply, Jews.” – and that is how they see themselves. This is also why the resident Jewish infiltrator flies into a rage whenever he or any of his kind is criticized even slightly or obliquely, why he simply CANNOT ignore it and let it go past, and instead tries whipping up support among the crowd to do his dirty work for him.

Jim, if you unconditionally support Jews regardless – whether you’re currying favor to use them as a ladder to access power or perhaps you believe their presence in the Middle East is a sign of the Second Coming – what can I say but: “you go gurrrl!” ….but don’t then go and demand that I do the same.

———-
…now I await the effeminate cries of “Shill! Script! Shill!” from the OT skinsuit infiltrators again.

Mossadnik says:

Hey rabbi… whatcha doin’?

Jim says:

The proposition that I am a “philosemite” because I don’t have Jews on the brain and see them everywhere is just moronic. Have you read any of the stuff I have written about Jews?

What the people you are calling “philosemites” have been debating is what proportion of Jews need to expelled. Mossadnik, who actually is a philosemite, says all of them.

And the proposition that America is Israel’s client state is a white wash of Soros, Blinken, and Nuland, all of whom hate Israel more than you do and a white wash of the people who exercise real power in America.

Anything that drives Soros nuts cannot be all bad.

The trouble with you Joojoojoo obsessives is that you are actually arguing that American leftism is just fine. No it is not. You think leftism is so fine so good that you cannot see American Jews exercising power in ways grossly harmful to Americans, so long as they are exercising power in ways that also harmful to Israel. The reason why Mossadnik is so keen on the expulsion of American Jewry, is that he, being an Israeli Jew, is on the receiving end of the evil that you are unable to see.

Bouncer says:

Wow Jim, a lot to unpack in that short paragraph, so let me at it:

>The proposition that I am a “philosemite” because I don’t have Jews on the brain and see them everywhere is just moronic. Have you read any of the stuff I have written about Jews?

Over the last ~9 years I’ve at the very least briefly read every single post you have on your website.
Why are you feeling targeted by that phrasing? It’s no different to saying “my ex was a slut” and having some random woman in the crowd angrily come up ranting that “NOT ALL GIRLS ARE SLUTS HOW DARE YOU SLUT SHAME ME”. Just look at Daddy Scarebucks’ dismissing the very mildest criticism of your blind spot by orthodox_uber_chad, though I feel he was wrong in his observation of the Nixon era. In any case,

As I stated just before: “the slightest criticism of Jews gets devolved by any Jews into an argument about them. Almost as if it were a defensive mechanism/script.”, because here we are arguing about the world’s most whiny people instead of any of the points raised.

>What the people you are calling “philosemites” have been debating is what proportion of Jews need to expelled. Mossadnik, who actually is a philosemite, says all of them.
Then why does he feel the need to attack me personally? Why the need to put false words in my mouth? Why the need to insult me by calling me a rabbi? Oh wait- perhaps he’s doing the thing Fox news does, that of discrediting things by pretending to agree with them.
I would gladly agree for the US to fund the (mildly coerced) repatriation of any jews here to Israel, if they could only accept that no further assistance would be forthcoming afterwards.
So why does Mossadnik attack me? Is he that badly starved for love?

>And the proposition that America is Israel’s client state is a white wash of Soros, Blinken, and Nuland, all of whom hate Israel more than you do and a white wash of the people who exercise real power in America. Anything that drives Soros nuts cannot be all bad.
Soros hates Israel so much that he defunded FEMEN when they protested in Israel against his wishes. Meanwhile he continues to bow and scrape to the State Dept for his own gain, then uses a portion of it to fund his pet prog projects worldwide, none of which are in Israel, and some of which help destabilize its neighbors. Blinken is a typical progressive lawyer/politician and I do know Nuland sees Ukraine/Russia as some sort of oversized personal playground and is upset things there aren’t going her way.

You’re weirdly monochromatic in your thinking on this because Jews aren’t some sort of cartoon villain, nor did I ever claim they are. While they all pull in separate directions, they all prefer their own people – which we are not part of. I want us to seek complete disengagement and to lock them out of our political system.

You seem to think that entangling ourselves in the Middle East yet again is a good idea, why? We already wasted too much blood and money there for nothing we could not have gotten easily by making some real agreements with Saddam back in the day – don’t go telling me now that you’re against that because he was a “dictator”? Instead Trump smashed any hope of the US being taken seriously in negotiations for good, with his claim that while negotiations with Iran were ongoing he’d discussed and approved of Bibi’s military attack. Clearly the Russians are right to consider us “not agreement-capable”.

>The trouble with you Joojoojoo obsessives is that you are actually arguing that American leftism is just fine.
Once again, Jim:
Nuts
The topic of jews is raised tangentially, the screeching starts, the screeching gets a response, suddenly responding is “problematic” and leftist now? Really Jim?

>No it is not.
Oh good, you got that one correct.

>You think leftism is so fine so good
Third time lucky:
Nuts

>that you cannot see American Jews exercising power in ways grossly harmful to Americans, so long as they are exercising power in ways that also harmful to Israel. The reason why Mossadnik is so keen on the expulsion of American Jewry, is that he, being an Israeli Jew, is on the receiving end of the evil that you are unable to see.
This may seem amazing to you, but I most definitely can see American Jews exercising power in ways grossly harmful to Americans, as well as seeing all the… …wait for it… non-jewish leftists/progressives AND constervatards exercising power in ways grossly harmful to heritage-Americans.

The difference here is, Israel is not my circus, not my monkeys. If throwing it on the fire benefitted Americans, I’d do it in a heartbeat if I had the means. If instead helping them benefitted Americans, Id help them in an instant.

The issue here is that you can’t seem to see that helping Israel provides no actual benefits to Americans, unless soothing the feelings of an aging demographic is all that’s being counted. Trillions of dollars spent on them (partly at the urging of AIPAC) since 1951, thanks to “fEeLiNgS”: a very right-wing move I’m sure.

The good news is that apparently boomers are expected to cease their stranglehold on Congress sometime around 2035 as the bulk of them dies off – I worry that this will leave wannabe socialists in the ascendant, but that is a separate, and far more important conversation, which we’re not having because somebody has got us arguing why I don’t love sucking off the group that must never be criticized as much as Ted Cruz does.

I note nobody at all commented on what I said about road accident statistics, weird how that just got ignored when somebody got triggered over the second portion which was not even directed at them personally.

Jim says:

> The topic of jews is raised tangentially, the screeching starts.

The only screeching I hear is from you.

And you are injecting Joojoojoo into everything.

Jim says:

> Then why does he feel the need to attack me personally?

I don’t think he did. He called you a fed, because you sound like a fed. Only feds scream JOOJOOJOO day and night.

Because you are being an asshole and you are filling up the comments section with boring irrelevant demented joojoojoo garbage. Because you keep injecting Joojoojoo into every conversation.

You are disrupting attempts to talk about matters of interest by randomly interjecting joojoojoo JOOJOOJOOO JOOOJOOOOJOOOOO no matter what people are talking about.

I can have a civil conversation about gas chambers with Mossadnik, but no one can have a civilised conversation with you while you have Jews on the brain.

Jews tend to be excessively focused on Jews, which is irritating but understandable. For non Jews to be excessively focused on Jews is is irritating and demented.

Bouncer says:

> you sound like a fed. Only feds scream JOOJOOJOO day and night.

Ok, if you say so.

>you are being an asshole

Ok, fine. Born and raised.

>you are filling up the comments section with boring irrelevant demented joojoojoo garbage. Because you keep injecting Joojoojoo into every conversation. You are disrupting attempts to talk about matters of interest by randomly interjecting joojoojoo JOOJOOJOOO JOOOJOOOOJOOOOO no matter what people are talking about.

I am responding to what people are responding to me about, which had a distinct lack of any responses about everything mentioned other than the JOOJOOJOOJOOJOOOOOOO bullshit you and Mossadnik keep insisting on talking about….. but I’m the problem for defending myself against those bullshit accusations?

>no one can have a civilised conversation with you while you have Jews on the brain

Personal attacks aren’t like you either. For someone who hilariously keeps proclaiming I’m obsessed with that topic, you sure don’t want to let me move on to conversation about anything else – now you utterly ignored everything else I mentioned in my comment (again).

This is more and more like the sort of conversations my eldest daughter has when she’s upset over something.

Bouncer says:

I’m against the stupid little adventure we’ve been having in Ukraine since Omaba’s time as well. Russia isn’t a third-world nation nor is it “a gas station with nukes” like Nuland said (I think that was her). They won’t let us pillage their natural resources without a fight we’re no longer truly able to win, and why fight when we can just trade for what we need anyhow.
The money laundered into our kleptarchy’s pockets over there could be better used building up capacity in what’s left of our long-neglected industry or being used for some kind of high-tech research, and possibly garner more profit too, but the scum on top here only think in the short-term and doing those would take much longer. As you’ve said in the past, they are not stationary bandits anymore, which begs the question of how do mobile bandits turn into stationary ones in such circumstances?
A thought – I wonder if this has some psychological link to how alien the British ruling class is to their populace? I recall reading something on how few actually “British” genes are present in the British aristocracy, which came over from Normandy starting in 1066. We inherited much of their social structure and motifs after all.

(side note: I wish someone would come up with a better term than “deep state” because it makes us sound like Q-tards when we use it).

Glad we’re moving on from the unpleasant misunderstanding.

Jim says:

> The issue here is that you can’t seem to see that helping Israel provides no actual benefits to American

Helping the Ukraine provides no benefits either. The Ukraine is a client state the Deep state hopes to use to conquer Russia with, and Israel is a client state the Deep State hopes to use to conquer Syria, Iran, and Turkey in order to get at Russia.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

The difference here is, Israel is not my circus, not my monkeys.

This is the latest cliche going around the middle-tier DR sphere, and for once I completely and whole-heartedly agree. If only the people saying it actually meant it themselves.

The constant game of bomb and missile tennis in the middle east is utterly meaningless to me as an American. I truly do not care. The issue of Iran might be important to the actual Israelis here, just as the issue of Pakistan might be important to the Dharma Bros, and I wish those nations the best in terms of solving their own territorial problems. But the actual extent of American involvement in the region today does not rate above political theater.

It certainly was more than theater, at one point, particularly when our troops were in Iraq, but now that the troops have even left Afghanistan (which is called “the graveyard of empires” for a reason, and that reason has nothing to do with Israel), it is all just theatrics, just kayfabe. If the Discount Emperors want to play sugar daddy and send some monopoly money or hand-me-down weapons to Israel, like they do for Saudi Arabia and almost every country in Europe, it’s really not my problem.

I didn’t much care about the Albanians and Serbs going at it in Kosovo in the 1980s. Or the Croats and Serbs going at it in Bosnia in the 1990s. Didn’t really care about the Israelis and Palestinians going at it in the 2000s. And don’t really care about the Israelis and Iranians going at it in the 2020s. The names and locations change, but it’s always the same shit. Not my circus, not my monkeys. None of it has any impact whatsoever on my daily life or the lives of my friends and neighbors.

The only time it does start to have an effect on my life, and the lives of my friends and neighbors, is when people who aren’t friends or neighbors come into our neighborhood and crash our parties and demand that we take sides; demand that we hold strong opinions on the subject and are about to tell us what those opinions shall be. Of course, the Jews at AIPAC and the neocon think tanks do their fair share of that – and I don’t listen to them either. But what the ZOGists are doing is no different, they’re just the other slice of bread in this shit sandwich.

Soros, Blinken, Nuland, Kagan, Sulzberger, Fink, etc. – these are not my monkeys, but they are in my circus, and are flinging a lot of turds, and something should be done about them. Just don’t ask me to care about the trials and tribulations of their coethnics a million miles away.

The Cominator says:

The Trump administration has not in fact been leaving all the other Ivy League schools alone. I guess I haven’t heard anything about them going after Dartmouth yet but I’ve read stuff about them going after all the rest of them I can think of. I would like to see a totally ruthless attack on Georgetown. Georgetown is a Jesuit school and its in DC so I think it should be literally burned to the ground with the employees inside.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Granting all that, what do you want to talk about?

The obvious delta is that cointelpro interns have lots of words to say about subjects involving Real Israelis killing brown people halfway across the world, but don’t have much if any interest in the many crimes of slimy kikes like Nuland, Kagan, or Soros right here in the occident.

Phraseology like “[…]hypocritically act in ways that makes social problems worse among the host society[…]vigorous and prominent attackers of our asabiyyah, our gemeinschaft – even when they aren’t progressives themselves, they overwhelmingly support progressive causes in any of the societies they live within[…]” are true, but don’t name names. And because left as empty abstraction, becomes a ‘space of play’ for tactically disrupting reasonable social policy in practice – be it the disposal of alien kinds in particular, or noise jamming the signal of any other discussion in general – by obscuring what is better or worse, by calling what is better worse and what is worse better, even.

The problem is agents starting with an easily defensible mott as an introduction, then filling out the ‘body of work’ with far less defensible bailey of questionable relevance and even more questionable provenance.

Jim says:

> Sad how the slightest criticism of Jews gets devolved by any Jews into an argument about them. Almost as if it were a defensive mechanism/script.

You are projecting. You have joojoojoos on the brain. I criticise Jews all the time, and it simply never devolves into an argument about them. Because I am not maniacally obsessed by Jews.

Who is it who is filling this blog up with endless piles of stuff about Joos that even Jews are getting bored with? I only read a few lines of your latest comment, and I am not going to read any more because everyone has heard it all before far too many times.

Bouncer says:

>You are projecting.
>You have joojoojoos on the brain.
Nuts.

>Who is it who is filling this blog up with endless piles of stuff about Joos that even Jews are getting bored with?
Ah yes, I mustn’t respond at all when they get triggered.

>I only read a few lines of your latest comment, and I am not going to read any more because everyone has heard it all before far too many times.
Lazy? Not like you.

Jim says:

> Ah yes, I mustn’t respond at all when they get triggered.

You issued a rant about Jews that seemingly came out of nowhere — which I suppose was a response to something long ago that everyone else had forgotten.

Mossadnik (a Jew) snarked that he was looking forward to a billion more rants about Jews. Whereupon you gave him a billion more rants about Jews. Who was triggered?

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

The kayfabe that Iran’s nuclear weapon capability was ‘totally destroyed’ is an easy story sell considering they really don’t have any nuclear weapon capability.

Because they didn’t have it before either, but such is the magic trick.

HardTruth Hardy says:

[*deleted for failure to follow the moderation policy*]

Jim says:

please respond to my query.

Beow says:

All the dissident types I know personally are Jew obsessed autistic retards. All the normies are unthinking. Churches have Daily Wire tier conservatives. Do any of you have based friends or are we resigned to only having real dialogue with anonymous strangers?

Mossadnik says:

Normies who aren’t obsessive spergs tend to follow the zeitgeist, and most people count as normies, so there ya have it. Aristocrats of the soul are rare, but ultimately it’s they who set the tone, so sooner or later the Antiversity will be upon us (unless, of course, civilization collapses before it materializes), and then normies will become considerably more based than they currently are. The path of the clearpilled is a lonely one right now, but online communities do help to mitigate it.

The Cominator says:

https://x.com/FromKulak/status/1938641440101286164
Lot of random discussion of this video on twatter today would like Jim and the other chads take on it.

My take (and yes its probably all scripted anyway)
1) Yes obviously she is batshit crazy but she still seems weapon grades charming compared to zoomer chicks who often display no warmth or personality at all
2) Some guys (me) typically get on much better (and avoid them doing anything all that bad even at their worst) with batshit crazy chicks than normie chicks

The Cominator says:

The discussion seems to be mostly
1) Men should stay away she is batshit
2) She should be encouraged because at least shes trying to be charming and feminine (though yeah we can tell shes batshit)
I’m firmly in category 2 myself.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Context seems to be missing from this clip, and Kulak’s commentary doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, and I mean that literally, “Girl’s nice to a guy so he won’t Canadian Healthcare” doesn’t compute as an English sentence.

Who are these girls, and who are these guys? They seem to be interviewing for something or other, and the guy seems to be some sort of lead candidate or prize or whatever, certainly being presented by the producers as the alpha of the group. So this is an environment designed to exploit preselection, and in such an environment, it is not at all unusual for girls to “audition” themselves this way.

I’m not seeing obvious indicators of craziness or even unusual levels of sluttiness considering the apparent circumstances, and even that is putting aside the fact that, as you say, it’s probably all scripted to begin with.

I just see an average example of (youthful) femininity, nothing particularly worthy of criticism or praise. But maybe I’m just getting too old for this shit.

The Cominator says:

I wish I could find the whole clip and i looked for it but couldnt find it.

Neurotoxin says:

“Girl’s nice to a guy so he won’t Canadian Healthcare” doesn’t compute as an English sentence.

I had to think about this one. My best guess, given the Canadian government’s approval of “assisted suicide,” is that this is a clever way of saying, “Girl’s nice to a guy so he won’t kill himself.”

Jim says:

She is doing her best to be charming and feminine, and succeeding. Why is this supposedly batshit crazy? Yes, probably all scripted, but if so, the point of the script is that men like to look at women being charming and feminine, so she will get a big audience. Why is this batshit crazy?

The Cominator says:

I LIKE crazy chicks I get on well with crazy chicks (almost exclusively) but generally being extremely outgoing expressive and performative tends to be a sign of craziness.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Not really. Not in general, and especially not in the presence of a (perceived) alpha. Some girls are just outgoing like that, and many more get that way when they’re trying to diffuse sexual tension, sort of like the way many guys will start talking too much, bragging about stupid things and amogging other males in the group when a pretty girl is around.

That’s not crazy, it’s just… female. Sullenness, haughtiness, resting bitch face and so on, those are the abnormal failure modes that only occur when healthy sexual dynamics start to collapse. She is just “putting on the charm”, as it were, tailored for Gen Z audiences. The exact presentation varies, but all women are like that. This is their latest spin on “innocent and coquettish”, inviting chase (which every game-aware man should resist) without much real innuendo.

I think your diagnosis, or the diagnosis you’re relaying to us, is the black pill poking through, and we know the black pill runs deep in the xitter universe and pre-reactionary dissident right sphere. Remember, we red-pilled aren’t ack-shully misogynists, we like women, and it’s okay for women to be women. Not OK that we let them roam around like feral cats in heat jumping from one cock to the next and ruining themselves in the process, and not OK that we allow them to have any say in matters requiring logic, reason, judgment and virtue, but none of those things are apparent from the clip.

The only “wrong” thing I see would be the obvious fact that she’s old enough and attractive enough to be married, yet clearly isn’t–but if I were to remark on every instance of that coming out of xitter or youtube, I wouldn’t have time to eat or sleep.

Jim says:

> but generally being extremely outgoing expressive and performative tends to be a sign of craziness.

No, it means you have successfully performed a DHV.

Men are competing really hard for chicks, and chicks are competing really hard for the top three percent of men. This is how a woman acts when she is trying, and is competent at doing so.

Alf says:

I recognize that guy, he is famous.

So, celebrity preselection, amplified by the game show in which multiple girls are competing for the guy. She’s into him and trying her best. Honestly, succeeding.

Also the poster on X makes some point on girls tearing each other down, presumably on basis of the sub text at the end of some other girl saying ‘Disney fire her’ but the audio actually seems to be ‘Disney hire her’.

The Cominator says:

Generally when I get girls who are anything close to this performative (and I realize this was probably scripted and this was a show but I’m talking normal life you talk to a girl at a social event, a party, a bar, date social event) they are prettymuch always what the headshrinkers would classify as fitting the description of a BPD case and BPD cases at their best are wonderful but there are drawbacks.

I don’t know how women act around celebrities or ultra high status men except probably slutty but I’ve seen women act slutty around fairly high status guys and they normally can’t be this theatrical about it but BPDs the entertaining theatrics only really stop if they are shutting you out or bitching you out (and even then they’ll sometimes throw in bits of comedy). If they like to impress guys at social events by flashing their tits occasionally its almost 100% BPD (I know one now like that NOT a stripper).

I don’t think girls who fit the imprecise quasi science of headshrinkeries definition of BPD deserve their evil reputation but behind the wonderfully entertaining positive energy is extreme depression self destructive behavior and extreme mood swings with generally really terrible impulse control. Mere spanking and fucking by an alpha (which is something they get a lot) doesn’t seem to cure it permanently by the way even if the alpha sticks around (know one who was married to one she unfortunately did not get better, she refused to rape him in the divorce though despite ending up broke for it and shortly thereafter meeting a bad end). They unlike most women can actually get good results from headshrinkers I’ve seen it personally. So they aren’t for everyone… I like them though and they’ve generally liked me.

Jim says:

> prettymuch always what the headshrinkers would classify as fitting the description of a BPD case and BPD case

If that is what shrinks think, that is because they are evil, hate what is good, and love what is evil.

This is the female telos functioning rightly.

> generally when I get girls who are anything close to this performative

Try the pivot girl trick. You will see more of it.

The guy is famous, several girls are after one guy. Naturally any socially competent horney female is going to act like this.

The Cominator says:

I like BPDs overall myself Jim. But in the age of feminism I only ever see this behavior really from girls who fit the positives AND negatives of the description. I’m not a chad though… except compared to the average autist.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

My dude, you asked if there’s anything wrong with this girl, and we all answered you the same: absolutely not, at least nothing that’s discernible from the clip. It’s as simple as that.

We know you’ve got a weird obsession with “BPD” girls, you’ve only told us about thirty times now, and fine, you do what works for you, but it’s not really interesting or relevant to other guys, nor relevant as analysis to the clip. Yet you keep bringing up how “I actually like/don’t mind BPD” as if you’re seeking validation or something. Don’t care.

Maybe BPD or other destructively crazy girls are the only ones who act this way around you because they are the only ones who don’t notice the beta tells, or they are just your “type” and perceive you as higher value than other girls do. We have all seen perfectly ordinary girls act this way around preselected alphas and around ourselves in the right situations.

Obviously they will not act like this for any guy, which is why a lot of guys, most guys even, may never have experienced it firsthand. There are a great many things that most guys will never experience firsthand, like benching 300 lbs, or making a major scientific breakthrough, or, you know, being a famous celebrity. And just like those other things, having women come up and nearly beg like that is a reflection of the man’s status, not the woman’s mental stability.

Truth hurts, but that’s why red-pilled men have to learn the monkey dance, and even non-red-pilled men have to learn some of the moves implicitly, because 29 out of 30 men don’t have preselection, aren’t perceived as high value, and have to “persuade” women otherwise through various forms of signaling.

What’s interesting, as far as the common man is concerned, is not that women act like this around alphas, but that they are in fact receptive to other, much subtler forms of signaling when they aren’t securely attached to an alpha. What’s interesting is that almost any guy can eventually get a girl to act like this if he has at least some value and takes the right steps to amplify the signal. You can do it too, if you really want to. IIRC, Jim has even advised you how, by taking lots of pictures and video clips with the whores, using them as preselection, and conveniently omitting the fact that they are whores, and very casually letting other women find out about it.

The Cominator says:

I had lots of pics with pretty girls on my Facebook back in the day (one guy even said looking at it initially I figured you must bring a coke dealer) the one I’ve called the enginerette (beautiful) was particularly accommodating in this especially since we saw each other all the time (and she was probably the least crazy chick who sort of liked me). Tons and tons with her. Didn’t work.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

I had lots of pics with pretty girls on my Facebook back in the day […] Didn’t work.

Well what did you expect, that you could just upload some photos and immediately have a harem of women propositioning you online? It doesn’t work that way. Nobody is searching for you. You still have to put in the effort, have to strut it around, the whore photos only work as “proof” of something you are already trying to imply.

The point of the whore photos is, when you’re chatting up a girl at a bar (or wherever), you make some excuse to find some old photo on your phone, something that relates to a fun anecdote you’re telling or maybe to settle a bet, and as you’re scrolling through the list, all those photos of you being pawed at by hot women just happen to be there. Oops, you weren’t meant to see those!

If you fail to actually leverage any of that material in a social context, or you aren’t careful enough to disguise the social arrangement, then yeah, not going to work.

The Cominator says:

Honestly I didn’t expect much pushback on the view that she is probably nuts, or that if she had acted like that in something other than a media setting she was probably nuts. Twitter (not full of shills now) guys generally conceded she was probably BPD and I agreed based on my experience.

Also her song selection (and yes shes a damn good singer and Disney probably should hire her but Disney sucks now) is from Beauty and the Beast the Disney movie which is a rape fantasy about a violent not human (but still essentially a billionaire) who kidnaps and rapes the main girl after she keeps rejecting her local alpha (who was manly and not without capability for violence himself).

Jim says:

Your experience, and the experience of most males on twitter, is of a desperately dysfunctional society and of the behaviour of women who see all the males around them as betas. And women just don’t want betas around, any more than they want rats or cockroaches around.

She is not acting crazy. Rather, most males are accustomed to women acting crazy and find it odd when they act sane. You live in a world overrun with zombies and the demon possessed.

When women accept male authority, they behave better. Albeit exercising proper male authority over women in this society is hard. When marriage and family is outlawed, only outlaws will have wives and family.

alf says:

Most men are so disconnected from the realities of how the sexes work that they forget that women are much more obsessed with men than the other way around. Unfortunately, women are obsessed with the top 3% men, so most men, belonging to the 97%, have no clue how women act around the top 3%.

Thing is, the way women calculate status is relative to the situation. In most situations I am not in the top 3%. In some situations, I am. I’ve had women flirt with me in outrageous and/or very charming ways, much like the girl in the video. I’ve at one point, when visiting the playground with my kids, had a young girl, couldn’t be older than 6 or 7, look for excuses for me to carry her around and wanting to come home with me. Does not surprise me, totally fits the world model Jim has been describing here for years.

When put in their right places, women are wonderful, sweet and man’s natural helper.

The Cominator says:

Normie women in normal circumstances are often nervous and shy around guys they want mot wanting to make any kind of 1st move to the point that the dating app (yes and we all hate dating appa) bumble which originally required women to initiate all conversations had to change it because women hated it so much.

Now to take an extreme example I understand women especially when competing with a group of other women and in the presence of some rockstar they all want will be extremely sexually aggressive hence security has to hold back hordes of horny would be groupies from trampling certain music stars but it’s not the normal circumstances it’s not just that their 1st choice is in sight.

1) hordes of other competing women around they know want the same thing can’t afford to do their normal shy crap
2) the only social group generally present is one or two other women who also want the guy nobody is going to tell dad or their much lower status boyfriend they threw their panties at him and other outrageously slutty behavior. Jim has said women get much sluttier when they know nobody in their normal social group (or only girls who are with them for the specific purpose of being slutty) are around.
3) Now to my main point most of those women if they wanted to try to impress with a charming personality to that degree I don’t think they could no matter how much they wanted to. Most women especially zoomer girls terrified to sing in front of anyone else. Some girls can do karaoke without getting very very drunk most can’t.
Now Jim has rightly said we live in a very evil and dysfunctional society and naturally women are more extroverted and outgoing but here we are and in clownworld they are not.

Now crazier chicks generally have far more experience of being aggressively flirty charming and outgoing and actually being good at it partially because they do it much much more often than more baseline chicks. Also because they often act on impulse and at least in the moment don’t care about how they’ll be judged socially for it. Hence the general assumption girl in question is if it’s not purely an act (and girls in any aspect of showbiz tend to be on the crazier side anyway) is high on the crazy scale.

Jim says:

> normie women in normal circumstances are often nervous and shy around guys they want mot wanting to make any kind of 1st move to the point

Yes, the man always has to make the first move, but under highly favourable circumstances, just looking at them is a first move.

Alf says:

I don’t mean for this conversation to derail into a yes/no discussion, but once more: there’s plenty of otherwise perfectly healthy chicks who are just naturally bubbly and outgoing. I should know, I’ve met them.

Let’s talk a bit about BPD.

BPD is an attack on femininity, in that it seeks both to villainize and obscure normal female behavior.

BPD villainizes, in that much what BPD describes is totally normal female behavior. What, women are dramatic, overly emotional, manipulative of weak men? Who’d a thunk! But hey just keep telling yourself that your ex must be BPD and that’s the reason why it didn’t work out between you.

BPD obscures, in that every aspect of BPD that maps to reality is much better described by analysis given by game theory, the manosphere and the dark enlightenment. Take the girl I dated long time ago. Fairly textbook BPD case, would cause and seek dumb drama 24/7. But also, mixed race and bad relation with her father. So instead of saying ‘BPD’, much much closer to reality to say she had identity issues and daddy issues. Eg: she was damaged goods and it would take a firm male hand to cure her.

Also, to further disagree with the assertion that BPD goes together with charisma, my experience was the opposite. Perhaps a certain type of man enjoys the excessive antics of damaged women. I found them to be grating and depressing. No doubt some damaged women can be charismatic, but as I and many others here have asserted, so can normal women.

The Cominator says:

I think your picture of them (and I’ve known a few because they are sort of my type not only do I get on well with them but they tend to like me and only with the 1st one I knew did I ever run into the really bad behavior)…

My observation of those women who would fit the headshrinkers category of BPD is that they are not manipulative at all or at least far less so than normal women manipulation requires not only the ability to read and charm people (which they are good at) but disciplined planning (which they are utterly incapable of) its not only that extreme impulsivity makes sticking to any plans difficult its that what they want changes so often and more than normal women is probably opaque to themselves and they are not looking to scam you when they turn the charm on its with the best of intentions, so how can they manipulate? They do cause drama sometimes but its not their primary objective its a byproduct of impulsivity + mood swings.

BPDs tend to die by suicide after they hit the wall too if they haven’t stablized themselves to some degree. I’ve known four very definite cases (and yes all quite charismatic) two are dead by suicide (one was technically very very wreckless drug use which caused everyone she hadn’t pushed away yet to flee in horror but I think that was a method of suicide when she didn’t quite have the guts to use a knife gun or poison on herself). One has been Baker acted here in Florida for attempting to do so before (she seems happier now but knowing the type they don’t do it just attention the way a lot of women do… or maybe they do it for attention until one day they do it for real) one remaining out hasn’t done that but she is the only cutter I’ve known IRL.

I agree its very very unfairly villainized because my experience with them is they aren’t that bad other than towards themselves… they aren’t out with evil intentions (I can’t speak for whether they are terrible mothers though), they genuinely like making you feel happy and entertained and even if you fallout with them the memories are good rather than bitter…

Now not every super outgoing friendly girl is a BPD case but when theatrical with strangers its near 100% thats the tell for me based on my experience. Now btw I don’t know if any strippers (even the one I fooled around with probably 80 times) had it or not since that is a controlled specific enviroment to some degree any good stripper is going to be flirty and performative regardless of what her more authentic personality is like.

Jim says:

I was walking around with someone who gets paid money for putting his face on a product. Chicks would walk up to him and start talking to him without him making a first move, and with him clearly being mildly irritated by being approached. I saw a two occasions where a chick approached him cold.

This is unusual female behavior — but obviously not unusual in his experience.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

‘If hot then evil’ is a normie defense mechanism vis-a-vis the experience of contemporary women.

The norm is that 21st women are deeply dysfunctional and act in ways that are repulsive. If there is a woman who is *not* like that, who actually acts in ways that are comely to men and tries to appeal to or be of service to them, then that calls the norm into question.

Whatever state of affairs a normalfag may find themselves in, they will fix to come up with rationalizations for why those states of affairs are fine; good even; the best of all possible worlds even.

The rationalizations for a state of affairs that a normalfag may give will not necessarily be the same as the justifications the ruling clades responsible for them may be giving. Indeed they often aren’t. One is for the purposes of tactical preparation, and the other is post-hoc curve fitting.

The characterization of comely women as ‘secretly crazy’ or ‘raising red flags’ or ‘too good to be true’ satisfies the normalfag’s desire for nothing to change and nothing to do. The existence of a better way does not imply that a better world is possible because the better way does not exist. Such is the sublimation.

Jim says:

97% of women, under the right circumstances, will act much like that with three percent of men.

And these were clearly the right circumstances — he is famous, and she had competition breathing down her neck.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Now not every super outgoing friendly girl is a BPD case but when theatrical with strangers its near 100% thats the tell for me based on my experience.

You ask the question, we answer it, you don’t like the answer, you go on to tell us what the answer should have been (along with a bunch of psychobabble about BPD, which I have to agree with Alf probably doesn’t exist, or exists as part of an ordinary personality spectrum like ADD/ADHD). It seems you really were just looking for validation of your reaction–of what you think your experience tells you.

Well, your sexual experience is with whores. Your experience with non-whores is as a low-status male. Women act differently toward low-status males, especially when those women are unattached or insecurely attached. They don’t want to be touched by a beta, talked to by a beta, or even in the same room as a beta. They want betas to stop existing. All their instincts from the ancestral environment tell them that having any contact with one will lower their chances of reproductive success, and in the ancestral environment they would be largely correct.

So when you say this:

bumble which originally required women to initiate all conversations had to change it because women hated it so much.

Duh. Obviously. The mere act of being on a dating app is a beta tell for men, and Bumble went out of its way to play up the status differential. Requiring women to initiate conversations didn’t fail because women in general can’t/won’t initiate conversations, it failed because of equalist assumptions about sex, assumptions that women will initiate conversations in the same way and under the same circumstances as men would. Which is absurd. Women initiate in ways that are frequently non-verbal, and only with men showing signs of preselection. Bumble was idiotic, it took feminist claims about dating seriously. We are not making the feminist claim, we are stating the red-pilled fact.

You are autistically obsessed with your own social awkwardness and the fact that only a particular type of girl seems to tolerate you. I really don’t blame you for that, as it hits a lot of guys to varying degrees and makes them unhappy. But you also keep asserting your own narrow, jaded experience as some human universal, when it is actually nothing of the kind. This isn’t a “BPD” case, and a woman acting highly outgoing and friendly is not a “BPD tell”, it is a tell of being in the 3% of men she is attracted to, and if that to you is always “BPD” then it means “BPD” is what’s attracted to you. Which you apparently already know. So why keep conflating cause and effect?

The behavior is because of the attraction, not “BPD”, and can be seen in any girl experiencing that level of attraction.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

The characterization of comely women as ‘secretly crazy’ or ‘raising red flags’ or ‘too good to be true’ satisfies the normalfag’s desire for nothing to change and nothing to do.

Well said. It is pure cope. Men resort to these coping mechanisms when they can’t accept the status quo but feel powerless to change it.

Personally, I think acceptance of the status quo is essential for those who want to change it. Not resignation to the status quo, mind, but recognition that things actually are the way they are. Red pill elevates men who are willing to act on it, black pill simply lowers everyone indiscriminately.

Fidelis says:

Man, I’m a zoomer, as far as I know not in this 3%, I’m reminded by people here from time to time my game is off, and yet I’ve had experiences with women like this. Less theatrical, similar mood. I was expecting too see pupil-dialated cat-in-heat behavior, not a pick me display.

Normies don’t consider this abnormal behavior. Anyone arguing about how this is some weird personality type is terminally online and looking for a mutual masturbation session about their opinions and feelings. Canuck Kulak is a monetization whore and optimizes his account to appeal to these types, as they’re far more of a consistent audience.

This is slop edrama and I’m amazed Com didn’t see through it, or maybe he does and still wanted an excuse to ramble about one of his fixations.

yewotm8 says:

“A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying ‘You are mad; you are not like us.'”

Alf says:

fitting the description of a BPD case

Hate to tell you Com but this is just how chicks are around preselected high-value 1% badboy men. Sure she’s on the extraverted try-hard end, but really nothing out of the ordinary. Bet she already had names for their imaginary children days in advance of the show.

The Cominator says:

I’ve seen women turn kinda slutty around men they perceive as high status but can they be charming and entertaining like this… don’t see it. Most in modern feminist America don’t know how if they wanted to. They can make kissy faces, smile and giggle and maybe make sexual innuendos if they are feeling bold but that’s about it.

Alf says:

She is slutty. Notice the revealing outfit, the tattoo on her thigh, the deliberate tit bounces.

Just because she is slutty doesn’t mean she can’t also be charming. Those girls exist, really. Your stripper/whore life is, unsurprisingly, making you jaded.

The Cominator says:

I’m well aware slutty types can be very charming (BPDs are typically both) but I’m saying the women who merely try to turn on the charm when they think gigachad is around normally can’t do it at anything close to this level. BPDs otoh can charm and sing a song to lure you to your doom (except in my experience they arent really that evil) like the sirens if you’re not careful.

Jim says:

> the women who merely try to turn on the charm when they think gigachad is around normally can’t do it at anything close to this level.

If a woman cannot, there is something wrong with her.

If the chick is solo and a gigachad is around, she will choose not to turn it on at this level, but if there is competition, she will turn up the charm to max.

Alf says:

BPD is as fake as autism.

Autism is just a catchphrase for ‘male behavior that is different and which I don’t like.’ I have been ‘accused’ of being autist on a very select occassions, and every single time the accuser was in fact responding to me calling out their bs, as opposed to offering any valuable information into my psyche.

Autism is like astrology — anyone can see anything in male behavior (or hell, even female behavior) that is different and stamp it autism. It’s a weapon used by leftists and using the term as anything except a silly meme is playing into the hands of our enemies.

BPD is just a catchphrase for ‘female behavior that is different and which I don’t like’. Your girl cheated on you? Must be BPD. Threw theatrics? BPD. Bs. Any girl you slap into submission will be sweet and obedient. Sure, personalities differ, but this whole concept of her personality being a mental disorder is just straight bs. This girl no doubt slept with a few if not more men than I’d like to know, perhaps she has daddy issues or hell even an Only Fans, but her being charming in this clip is not a sign of anything wrong with her. Anyone arguing that either hates charming women, or, like you, spends way too much time on the internet and with women of horrible quality.

Adam says:

Antisocial behavior is driven by fear and a certain self centeredness. As in wanting attention without having to pay attention. She looks to be paying attention and eager to perform. Kind of how little girls act around adults they are trying to impress.

Also does not appear to be alpha widowed. Much of female antisocial behavior can be traced to alpha widowhood.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Also does not appear to be alpha widowed.

Maybe, maybe not. Remember that this clip is showing an alpha’s perspective, so does not necessarily mean that she has never fucked a chad before, only that she believes this one to be of equal or greater value.

Adam says:

>does not necessarily mean that she has never fucked a chad

She probably has, but does not appear to have a chip on her shoulder about it.

Dan Bilzerian reports fame is the number one most attractive quality a man can have to endlessly bang hot young chicks. Without fame, preselection, power etc. I am not sure there is a huge difference in how females view most men. Even if there can be massive differences in manliness among us.

If she was discarded by Dan Bilzerian or even Jeremy Meeks, I would expect her to be much more shit testy. But I could be wrong.

The Cominator says:

BPD and autism incorrectly get used that way. Real autists can’t read or mirror people worth shit… I’ve taken test despite effort trying to learn this im fucking terrible.

Real BPDism in women is not a woman did something bad (in fact I rather like them) it’s closer to bipolar than anything but it’s beyond mere moodiness and impulsivity and one weird quirk of it is they are not so putoff by autism as normie women. If you sincerely like their performance and charm they will like you.

Alf says:

I’ve dated a ‘BPD’ woman a long time ago, enough to know it’s an idiot-likes-idiot kind of situation, no disprespect intended.

The Cominator says:

I like that I can read them and that they aren’t putoff by any signs of autism. I think they like that we tend to have an insanely positive reaction to their schtick and they generally also have such a low opinion of themselves and perception of their status that you can just flatter them and they like it without starting to see themselves as being way above you. Its all rather simple at least initially whereas normal women no matter how much you read about them or practice or get tips from people who are good… there is an instinctual part they judge us on and we just inevitably fail.

Neurotoxin says:

Alf, I watched like the first 10 seconds of that video. What. The. Fuck. Was. That.

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No one has yet mentioned this pertinent fact about the flirty chick: There are cameras on her, and she knows it. So here’s my read: She’s bouncing her tits all over the place not so much to seduce him, as to get tons of simps subscribing to her totally-not-a-cam-whore channel. (I’m just assuming she has one. If not, she will by the time you finish reading this sentence.)

Or to put it another way: Why is she acting so outrageously flirty? By the very act of asking the question, you have answered it. I.e. if she knew that a bunch of men in this thread are talking about her, she’d think “Mission accomplished!”

(Our President just dropped a bunch of bombs on a foreign country that we’re “not at war” with, yet here we are talking about a chick’s tits. Looking down from their Olympian heights, the gods are amused.)

Daddy Scarebucks says:

(Our President just dropped a bunch of bombs on a foreign country that we’re “not at war” with, yet here we are talking about a chick’s tits. Looking down from their Olympian heights, the gods are amused.)

Well, actually, you are the one talking about her tits, we were talking about her behavior. I honestly didn’t even really notice. Not because they aren’t nice to look at, but because they are a dime a dozen.

In any case, I rather think the gods would be smiling sincerely on the tone shift, because there is not a damn thing we can do about the president having “just dropped bombs on” blah blah blah, and we don’t even know how much of that is real, but just about every man benefits from learning more about female behavior/psychology and upping his game. And it seems that a lot of boys really are terribly confused by what amounts to quite ordinary female flirting/teasing around HVMs.

That doesn’t mean that loftier subjects aren’t worth discussing by the relatively powerless, particularly if anticipating power or conversely if power might be listening in; but it degrades easily into “news cycle shit”, tedious discussion of boring and insignificant events, and insistence on assigning meaning to the meaningless, or in other words, unadulterated rage porn.

News cycle debate tends to be superficially profound, but lacking real substance; whereas the “chick’s tits” (to use your crude synecdoche) are superficially frivolous but actually far more important.

Mossadnik says:

Yeah, the ideas discussed on this blog will continue to be relevant throughout this millennium and likely far beyond it, whereas discussion of the “news of the day” tends not to be all that timeless.

Trees are interesting, but the forest is even more interesting.

Neurotoxin says:

Well, actually, you are the one talking about her tits, we were talking about her behavior.

Well, actually, Alf at 2025-06-28 at 10:10 mentioned her “deliberate tit bounces” and Cominator at 2025-06-28 at 09:27 referenced tit flashing in general, as part of this discussion.

Jim says:

Mohammed complained of deliberate tit bounces, so this phenomenon massively predates television. And it seems to me that when women bounce their tits, they are not consciously aware of doing so. In our society, people act out the mating dance by instinct, never having seen it performed around them or in media.

Bwana Simba says:

Agreed. She is acting flirty on TV for attention. Don’t read too far into it.

Jim says:

She looks to me to be behaving as women naturally act under these circumstance. She cannot possibly be following a script, for no one would dare write a script in which women behaved naturally, and very few people have seen, or would allow themselves to see, women behaving as women naturally behave under these circumstances. The women themselves are incapable of being aware of their own behavior, and are even less capable scripting it than scriptwriters.

Accurate depiction of the mating dance has been forbidden for more than four decades, so no one remains who can write a script for it.

Pax Imperialis says:

>no one remains who can write a script for it

Take just about any random teacher off the street and they can write a better script than any current writer today. They are extremely aware of female behavior but are politely (fearfully) obtuse about it.

The scripts are so detached from reality that they read like reddit ‘and everyone clapped’ posts. I have to wonder about what sort of trauma and brain damage they suffered growing up.

Neurotoxin says:

She cannot possibly be following a script, for no one would dare write a script in which women behaved naturally.

Word.

Bix Nudelmann says:

Accurate depiction of the mating dance has been forbidden for more than four decades, so no one remains who can write a script for it.

Romance novelists? 50 Shades? And what about Twilight? Genuinely asking.

Jim says:

Nope, none of them.

If you check out your library, you will find that all Romance hooks are recent, because they regularly have book burnings. We have a lot more book burnings than Nazi Germany. The chinese are allowed rather more latitude, but their fertility is collapsing anyway, with marriage being interpreted in a way ever more unfavorable to males, and the basic problem of women being free to fuck mister one in thirty, means that even if you depict romance somewhat accurately, nothing is going to make much difference.

Pax Imperialis says:

When I was 11 or 12, there was a girl in my school that would hug my arm and press her nonexistent chest against my arm and ask me suggestive questions. At the time, I didn’t really know what was going on. Puberty hadn’t really kicked in fully.

I worked briefly as a teacher in a middle school. Noticed the girls did that a lot and the majority of boys, like me at that age, didn’t pick it up. Most uncomfortable, I overheard the girls on more than one occasion gossiping about the hot new teacher. Mentioned it to my mother and she looked at me like I’m an idiot and said ‘oh course, they’re girls’. This type of behavior is pretty instinctive and starts young.

The Cominator says:

I also had a random epiphany on this… you’ll never see any shill weigh in on these random women discussions they only ever want to discuss jews… shills are jewosexuals.

Mossadnik says:

It’s true. If they can avoid the WQ, they will absolutely avoid it (except perhaps when trying to prove that they aren’t shills), and they generally do not reveal any genuine interest in the topic.

The thing about controlled opposition is that it works best when it’s composed of different factions, which are ostensibly in competition or conflict with each other, while in fact all being tentacles of the regime and serving its state religion. Since Harvard hates heterosexuality, its shills always come up with this, that, or another rationalization to criminalize the healthy (heterosexual) teleology and to pathologize all expressions of masculinity on men and femininity on women.

That’s who they are – tyrants.

Hesiod says:

Joojoojoo is hysterical in the etymological sense. Not a manly manner and it gets tiresome quick, alas.

Anon says:

@jim
can a small number of elite take power from a large elite , without an inside faction help nor a foreign elite help.
if the large elite is fragmented.
is there any historical example if there is ?

The Cominator says:

Are they military officers and do the noncoms hate the current government.

Anon says:

The answer to the second question is of course yes.
“Are they military officers“
do you mean “do they have military ranks” or military training. I am assuming in the question the elite is a group of “civilian” with no tie to domestic or foreign elite, if they are military officers, then they have access to power structures to help them.

This is mental exercise on how to take power with no connections to power both inside or outside.
@jim
My assumptions are you always need elite faction inside the state apparatus to help you, or foreign elite to support you.

Jim says:

Happens all the time. The most cohesive faction always wins, not the largest faction.

This is what drives events like to Russian Revolution and the French Revolution.

Thermidor is inherently incohesive. So, you eventually get a Napoleon. Unfortunately it might be necessary to stuff Trump in sack and throw him across the Rubicon — for which there is much prior precedent. Pinochet was made dictator by men who had to very politely and respectfully threaten him with death if failed to sign the order launching the coup, and Claudius was famously hauled out from under a bed.

The left is at present incohesive, but they always cohere behind the leftmost. Woke having been exhausted, the leftmost is now in favor of socialism plus no punishment for criminals…

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