The shape of our enemy

The richest man in the world, Elon Musk, is currently in a power struggle with Yoel Roth, the former head of Trust & Safety at Twitter who is featured prominently in the “Twitter Files” released by Elon Musk.

Yoel Roth is a Jewish faggot. That he is a Jew and a faggot is in his bio. As head of Trust and Safety, he displayed a strangely relaxed attitude to child sexual exploitation material on twitter, which would lead one to expect he is a pederast.

Further, all faggots are pederasts and all straights are “paedophiles” for a straight is attracted to youth and indications of fertility, regardless of chronological age, thus attracted to all fertile age females, regardless of chronological age, while faggots find breasts repulsive and youth attractive, thus are attracted to men and to children below fertile age regardless of the sex of the child. Which does not necessarily prove that they acting on that attraction, but Yoel Roth considered accusations of grooming “unsafe”, while somehow considering grooming to be safe.

As head of Trust and Safety, he not only suppressed information on the dangers of the jab, and the truth about Global Warming, but also suppressed information on the dangers of child sexual transition. Child sexual transition is very much in the interests of pederasts.

The current epidemic of gender confusion in schools reflects the interests of pederasts running them. Marriage was destroyed in large part so that professors could get pussy. Now childhood is being destroyed so that faggots can get ass.

1,263 Responses to “The shape of our enemy”

  1. Red says:

    Interesting thread on French Revolution’s redefine of the Calendar and how Napoleon abolished it.

    https://twitter.com/oldbooksguy/status/1609202630760488962

    KD link:
    https://archive.ph/wip/oAu6n

  2. chris says:

    For anyone who followed Mister Metokur, he did his last stream last night. Here is a mirror of it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImByfPpJThM

    • Red says:

      Tell us something about him and why you liked him. I’ve never heard of him before.

      • Redbible says:

        Mister Metokur is a 4chan tier shitposter, good for some lols and memes, but not a source of useful info.

        • Pax Imperialis says:

          For a 4Chan shitposter he sure did ruffle the COVIDian cult. See 19 pages of academic hysteria:

          Mister Metokur is a popular AMP within far-right communities online (Riberio et al.,
          2020). His content usually offers commentary on pertinent sociopolitical issues by ridiculing, what he perceives as, the social degeneracy of Marxism, Transgenderism, and
          Globalism.

          Alternative media framing
          of COVID-19 risks
          Martin Rooke
          Current Sociology Monograph
          2021, Vol. 69(4) 584–602

          I didn’t follow him much and this news is recent to me. I’m still sad to see him go like this. Regardless of all his flaws, he was ultimately just a normal guy from a better era laughing at the end of the world in much the same spirit of Salvador Dalí. Not to say he was a great man like Dalí, he was far too mundane, but one who similarly recognized the ridiculousness of the times. There was a mystical period in the early days of 4Chan when it wasn’t overrun by Cancer and AIDS. inb4 it was always Cancer with a side of AIDs. A more innocent time. Metokur embodied that Old 4Chan so it’s allegorical, that in the end, he’s dying of Cancer AIDS. RIP oldfag.

      • chris says:

        He was a funny internet celebrity who was very effective at mocking the woke/SJWs and creating internet culture against them. E.g. he was instrumental in popularising gamergate.

        He is a jester. And he was good at rallying internet culture against the left. He is terminally ill and that was likely his last stream ever.

        I would not be surprised if those in their 20’s, 30’s or 40’s who frequent this blog laughed at some of his stuff over the past 10-12 years.

  3. Arkyshrugger says:

    is there a Jimian take on NJP?

  4. Kunning Druegger says:

    Here’s some PF and other groups propaganda I have encountered. This is in reference to an ongoing conversation. I am submitting this to deepen our background, not as an argument for or against a change in policy.

    MMA/Boxing event in CA:
    https://odysee.com/@Media2Rise:4/newfrontier:c

    This is longer (30min), so scroll through if you want. the fighters and others get interviewed. They talk about various things, so anyone doing OSINT work, there’s a lot of info here to crawl through to see if/where the indicators are of glowie talking points. The tattoos on display tell their own story. White Nationalist, neopagan, neo Nazi, and Amerikaner imagery. Prison tats and not-so-prison tats. The music is… interesting. I guess I’m just getting old, but it all sounds so cringe to me, but so does 99% of what I encounter. White rappers… whatever, zoomers need their slapping beats I guess. I see why this is attractive, but i also see hoe very easy it is to subvert, infiltrate, and spin up & point to negate anything real. Another issue, I didn’t see a lot of hoes. I am the last guy that wants females around that don’t belong to me, but I am a family man. these are young fighters. It’s a necessary challenge of young manhood to be around women and hold frame. Another facet is, you know your on the rise when hoes start prowling around trying get you to police them. To be fair, a lot of the B roll was censored, so maybe they were hiding the sluts. There was a roastie looking ring girl, but she may be a reformed thot or some such.

    Protest/March in Boston
    https://odysee.com/@PatriotFront:a/IDay2022:8

    Pretty standard fare for America nuPolitics. Dress them up in black, add a bunch of schlubby degenerates and, again, more bitches, and it isn’t too different from left leaning political propaganda film. Their ostensible leader, the guy with the cowboy hat, is indistinguishable from leftist political leader types I have encountered. He is intelligent, put together, and eloquent, but he is a commissar type nonetheless. A different mentality and he’d be doing the same job but with Antifa. I don’t mean to insult him, and I bet he’d be fun to go camping with, probably a great conversationalist. But I can say the same for the dudes I’ve met from black bloc, the leader types. Obviously excluding trannies and migrants, we are all human, and we tend to find our places in the hieracrhy if we have skills and presence. The more interesting facets of this film are the things in the background. The gear, the places they organize, their comms units. PF has serious funding for a grassroots political movement, by which I mean they have smart money. You wouldn’t believe how much gets dropped on left wing orgs and they piss it away without looking a tenth as organized as these guys. There were definitely skinnyfats, dumpy dumps, manlets in the ranks, but there are far more healthy guys that could probably rip if it came down to it. Their coordination evidenced in the film was good, they planned the op, had contingencies, did walk throughs, the leader man had a good speech that was rehearsed and well delivered. Some dumb nigger lost his cool (shocker, I know) and the PF guys dealt with it ok. They got frazzled when the Police showed up, a bit, but they still executed their contingency pretty well. The editing makes it hard to know what actually happened. And their op did exactly what it should do: spread awareness, unsettled their enemies, made them look virile and dangerous.

    PF gets swept up by LEO in Idaho
    https://odysee.com/@PatriotFront:a/IdahoArrestsJun22:1

    OK, this one is interesting. Inside (literally) look at what happened when they got busted, the time it was all over the news. They were on their way to protest a trannie show (nigger warning: there’s a clip of a sodomite in the presence of children). Logic dictates that there are CIs and undercovers in the PF. I cannot conceive of a world where there wouldn’t be. But this was kind of whitepilling to watch. As an organization, they seem pretty on top of their game. It could very well be the case that they are all feds, but they were bonded out, to a man (31 total) overnight. A camera was not taken off one of the PF guys so there’s a snippet of footage in the party v&. Tinfoil perspective: the fed plant was allowed to keep the camera? maybe, but look closely at the LEO force that bushwhacks the truck. A real mess, different departments, tactical Tony and donut Donny, all stacked up all over each other. Some of the cops look terrified when they see what’s in the truck. This one is interesting, lads. Watch this one if you watch none of the others.

    04:34 they actually talk about the “FBI plant” that was reported.
    05:25-06:05 fun whitepill moment (for them, but still, feels nice to see bros)

    Summary Analysis
    From a cursory overview, PF appears to be a genuine political activist group with a central structure that goes “by the book” in terms of what federal law prescribes for such organizations. They appear to obtain permits, avail themselves of the information required by state law to legally and civilly protest, demonstrate, and organize, and operate as a 501c organization. On the social side, they appear to be a men’s group that operates on a chapter system by state/region, and it can be reasonably assumed they have a leadership hierarchy. The scarcity of females, minorities, degenerates, and weak specimens indicates that they do deploy some kind of filtering process for membership. Deeper analysis would be required to ascertain the scope and degree of this filtration. They appear to organize activities centered around political protest & activism, pugilism, outdoor recreation, and small scale/”gray” misdemeanors like banner drops and graffiti. On the resource side, they appear to have a somewhat substantial “war chest” with coffers that can cover legal action, bonds, retreats, property ownership or rental, gear, equipment, and uniforms.

    • Red says:

      On the resource side, they appear to have a somewhat substantial “war chest” with coffers that can cover legal action, bonds, retreats, property ownership or rental, gear, equipment, and uniforms.

      IE they have a state sponsor, just like Antifa and Azov. Since the Russians don’t seem to be sponsoring shit and they are rather Neo-Nazi phobic since the Nazis tried to murder 90 million slavs and the mass murders committed by Azov, that leaves you with the Federal government.

      PF went through 2 distance phases: It wasn’t working to smear the Proud boys as a white supremacists organization since they were loaded with darkies. So PF shows up with the only people know anything about them are leftists. They’d do a protest somewhere an no one would on the right had any idea who the fuck they were, but the left sure knew and would scream about MAGA Neo-Nazis. They were intended as a smear for MAGA focus and potential false flags later. The Idaho raid happened during this time. That raid happened shortly after they were arrested at other events but allowed to keep their masks on while being detained, which made people yell glowies all the louder. They also frequently loaded up into you haul trucks after events with police protection. 100% illegal and no way the cops would do that without orders.

      Phase 2 got underway after the GAE realized how useful Azov was proving. Their marketing quality went through the roof, there was less news stories run about them, and they started looking super legitimate. IE they appear to have moved from a glowie group designed to suck up opposition for later arrest or to commit false flags, to a full fledged state sponsored Neo-Nazi PMC in the process of forming.

      Finally as a reminder what happens to actual resistance groups to the GAE look like:

      https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1722224.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200d/WACO.jpg

      They couldn’t find shit on the Branch Davidians. So they murdered them all. The FBI’s actual stated plan to get the BDs to give up was to tortured the children with tear gas until they surrendered. PF not being murdered by the feds indicates they’re being dirrected by the feds.

      I’m sure PF is full of good people, but they’re good people with evil masters who will use them to cause great harm.

      • Kunning Druegger says:

        Excellent points, as always. I’m reserving judgement on where they are headed, not in disagreement with you assessment, rather because of how blind I was to fedgov/Cathedral incompetence for a very long time. Arguments here forced me to reconsider, and then hindsight demonstrated that the signs were always there, I was just photoshopping them out. PF has resources, but, respectfully, I think you are portraying it a bit too black & white. There are intermediate sources of material support between truly organic association and fedgov funding. The “PF as Azov” is a novel take, one that elicits pretty interesting responses from people. Was that yours first Red, or who was it? Whoever, it is one of those things is freaky frog level analysis.

        Working from that assumption, do you think Agent Shanikwa and Regional Director Karen are going to be able to keep a leash on that pet pitbull? I don’t know enough about Azov, but from what I’ve seen, I think it was an actual organization and they got the right CIA officer to back them. As well, there are many other nationalist militias, and the trickle of support became a stream after 2014. That stream became a flood in 2022. But prior to 2022, the MSM and their gay lover “independent” media used to scream and cry about “Azov Nazis” right up until they, as one, pivoted to the bold statement that they “[do] not” consider Azov as the “far right group it once was.” [1] This mirrors the shift that happened when Communist Internationale suddenly supported Hitler after years of opposing him, as well as the shift in the American Academe regarding the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. When Ukraine collapses, I think we will see an explosion of “white terrorism” in Europe and the US as their pet nazis start fomenting retribution for the West failing to give them victory against the Russian Menace.

        I derailed myself, but there’s good stuff in there. The point I was working towards is this: to have PF perform as like Azov, they will need actual masculine characteristics and animating spirit. The negro & broads movements in the US in the 1930s magically disappeared when it was decided that the military needed to be strengthened and industry/commerce needed to shift to a war footing. I hope someone here or adjacent writes a book about that because it’s another one of those freaky frog types of observation. In any case, I am confident in stating that the fedgov of current era is not even a dull reflection of the FDR machine. I don’t think they can put the trannie/nigger/feminist genie back in the bottle. The holiness spiral has crossed a certain threshold.

        If our shill tests work like we think they do, like we assert that they do anyways, then that same principle will apply to the building/maintaining of PF as a nationalist battalion. It worked in Ukraine because A) it was far away in a country no one cared or really knew about and B) they could afford to let the commissars in media bad mouth and “expose” Asov because the support was (most likely) funneled through the UKR government and/or oligarchs. How would they do that in the domestic setting, which is to say what can they funnel the support to and through without having their pet journalists accidentally “bash the fasc” in their relentless pursuit of brown scares? I think that’s a rather substantial challenge. To reiterate: fedgov as it exists now, whether it is the IC (CIA) or DOJ (FBI), has to

        1)build up a masculine organization under the principles of tough guy nationalism/patriotism
        2) fund and equip it
        3) grow it
        4) manage & deploy it

        and they have to do this with an army of journos perpetually on the hunt for such things (real or imagined) and a talent pool that is getting girlier, gayer, and dumber by the day.

        Hey man, I’m really enjoying this exercise, I think it’s interesting and worthwhile, but I am not working towards any end, so if for any reason you feel like you need to convince me not to join/support PF or anything like that, don’t. I’m just larping at intel analysis withy my frens.

        Here’s some more data points:
        PF quite recently in Ohio. Notice the lack of uniforms and no Cowboy dude. Could be a local chapter, but their website hasn’t been updated in a while (since summer), though there Telegram is more recent.
        https://odysee.com/@BGOnTheScene:5/Patriot-Front-Ohio-Drag-Storytime:a

        Here’s a look at “militia leaders”at the same Ohio event. These types are probably not considered a threat by fedgov.
        https://odysee.com/@BGOnTheScene:5/interview-with-militia-members-present:9

        [1] https://archive.ph/MMkYo

        • Red says:

          The “PF as Azov” is a novel take, one that elicits pretty interesting responses from people. Was that yours first Red, or who was it? Whoever, it is one of those things is freaky frog level analysis.

          Wulfgar actually.

          PF has resources, but, respectfully, I think you are portraying it a bit too black & white. There are intermediate sources of material support between truly organic association and fedgov funding.

          Take a look at Anglin and the DailyStormer to see how the GAE deals with groups they don’t like when it comes to funding. There’s no way PF could get funded to that degree without the feds stepping crushing the income stream if they were opposed to PF.

          How would they do that in the domestic setting, which is to say what can they funnel the support to and through without having their pet journalists accidentally “bash the fasc” in their relentless pursuit of brown scares? I think that’s a rather substantial challenge.

          Why did the reporter working a big story about Muller suddenly die when a Dem political official was “visiting” her home. Reporters already know that implicating the Feds in such things leads to bad outcomes.

          https://newspunch.com/journalist-exposed-mueller-wiping-anti-trump-texts-dead/

          Besides the reporters all praise Azov to the skies now. They’re officially good Nazis.

          1)build up a masculine organization under the principles of tough guy nationalism/patriotism
          2) fund and equip it
          3) grow it
          4) manage & deploy it

          and they have to do this with an army of journos perpetually on the hunt for such things (real or imagined) and a talent pool that is getting girlier, gayer, and dumber by the day.

          You are under the impression that the Journos are independent actors, they’re not. They report what the Cathedral wants them to report and always have. The idea that they report the truth is one of the many lies they tell.

          Feds seldom create new groups from scratch, but they help groups along until it’s time to harvest them to justify their funding. PF just happened to fit the bill for a Azov type group so they’re using it.

          Such groups grow organically all the time, the feds inflate them, use them for some bullshit and then arrest them. That’s been the cycle since the 50s. This time they’re using them to build an effective army to fight for the GAE.

          Hey man, I’m really enjoying this exercise, I think it’s interesting and worthwhile, but I am not working towards any end, so if for any reason you feel like you need to convince me not to join/support PF or anything like that, don’t. I’m just larping at intel analysis withy my frens.

          Lots of warrior midswits are going to join the GAE version of Azov and I don’t see a way to stop it. The sort of men who should be the foot soldiers of the restoration will be used to fight to the last white man in a future war so that faggots can rape little boys. I feel despondent about it.

          Ukraine is going to be a total ruin because of Azov. I hope America fares better.

          PF quite recently in Ohio. Notice the lack of uniforms and no Cowboy dude. Could be a local chapter, but their website hasn’t been updated in a while (since summer), though there Telegram is more recent.

          Looks like no official cold weather gear yet resulting in the weird assortment of tops. Most where still wearing the hats and the pants.

          • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

            “Fight and die for feminism and gay pride parades” memes are very powerful. I see them deployed all the time on chans with respect to jewkraine, and glowniggers never have a direct come-back, they just try to ignore it and drown it outwith more bot posting, and any time they do directly apply it is the mask coming off (IE ‘yes this is for Are Values’/’yes this is just naked power politics and we are just saying whatever is convenient to destroy russia’/and so on).

        • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

          It is the combination of political cover, funding, and professional marketing that convinced me that they are going the Azov route. If someone wanted them to be a glowie false flag generator to use against MAGA, they would not need much funding, and their marketing would be intentionally bad. Just get a bunch of FBI guys, release some obnoxious nazi videos, do a march with everyone masked up and a few patsies who get grabbed by the police, and you are off to the races. We are not seeing that sort of thing; why?

          I have seen professionally designed stickers in a liberal city I visited recently, the way Infowars and Alex Jones used to do. Their cinematography and editing is top notch, and their videos look professionally created. They have organization and discipline that takes weeks to develop in boot camp and has to be led and worked to by a team that knows each other. Someone is training them to be American Azov. Maybe even their private army for the fun times that will be the 2026 and 2028 Democratic primary/presidential election(lol git fukt Recucklicans, no more POTUS for you).

          • Red says:

            they would not need much funding, and their marketing would be intentionally bad. Just get a bunch of FBI guys, release some obnoxious nazi videos,

            There was a “hack” from PF back in 2020 or 2021 where they were “caught” on tape saying hail hitler after a recording a video. One of the glowie fed hacker groups released it. It was so poorly acted that the right just called PF glowies and laughed at them.

            and professional marketing that convinced me that they are going the Azov route.

            It was the sudden change in marketing that stood out to me as well. Not only had someone dropped a metric ton of money on it, but they were suddenly working with a very good marketing group. Which means someone who’s very good at marketing felt safe enough to take a Neo-Nazi group’s money in exchange for good propaganda. No way that happened without Cathedral approval and with the purpose of legitimatizing PF.

            • jim says:

              The real tell, however, is inability of the “Neo Nazi propaganda” to say certain things that much need saying.

              You can see the master by the crimethoughts that they cannot think.

              • pinochet's ghost says:

                “Neo” in “neoliberal” and “neoconservative” means “Jewish.” No link to historical liberalism or conservatism.

                “Neonazis” evoke nothing of the aesthetic of the German Nazi Party, a strong aesthetic they deliberately cultivated. “Neonazis” have never read a single publication by German Nazi Party or its supporters, and are probably Jewish.

                • Red says:

                  You have to be the worst shill on this board. Neoconservative means Troskite.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  Which would be a consistent datapoint for “neo = jewish”.

                • Red says:

                  The problem with the is Dick Cheney, George Bush, etc. Yes almost all the official Neo-Conservitives “thinkers” are Jews. But the ones with power that implemented the polices were all gentiles.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  I don’t really see the problem. Jews and the most jew-like subsets of a target population naturally find each other.

                • Red says:

                  Having thought it over, you’re probably right.

                • pinochet's ghost says:

                  “You have to be the worst shill on this board. Neoconservative means Troskite.”

                  Trotskyite means Jewish Bolshevik. Trotsky was the coordination point for all the Jews Stalin kicked out of the USSR and who then settled in NYC. Trotsky himself settled in Mexico and got assassinated quite quickly – he was also Jewish but ultimately just a figurehead for this critical mass of Jewish left intellectuals in NYC.

                  Dick Cheney and GWB are shabbos goys. That’s why they’re so dumb. Look at the staff of Project For A New American Century to get a real idea of the ethnicity and outlook of this movement.

                  While not all Jews are malevolent (wanting to maximize one’s own power is not in itself malevolence, just being rational), the neoconservatives are a malevolent Jewish movement. Their targets (Iraq, Iran, Ukraine, Russia) are simply countries that have historically offended Jews. Historically offended – not that pose a current threat.

  5. Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emp8sxbRpSQ

    >Bureaucrat: a one-size-fits-all suit will make things more efficient

    >Reality: tailored suits are more efficient

    • Red says:

      Fantastic video. I’d always wondered why those space suits were so bad. Elon’s approach of making it look cool and working for humans then make it functional for space is one of those things where it’s absolutely obviously the way to go but only a great man like Musk could make it happen.

  6. Red says:

    It might be the winter of death for the highly vaxxed:

    https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/the-xbb15-variant-is-the-next-big

  7. Red says:

    A man’s wife has taken his son from him and by order the courts she going to have the son castrated:

    https://twitter.com/JeffYoungerTX/status/1608989359583399936?cxt=HHwWgMDQlYfTo9QsAAAA

    KD link:
    https://archive.ph/wip/VggeF

    Read the comments, as Jim says a lot of the normies are quite on board on doing the right thing when they try to disfigure your children:

    There is no such thing as law outside the Laws of Physics and the Law of Conscience.

    If your children are honestly and legitimately in danger of bodily harm or injury you are 100% clear of conscience regardless of the opinions of other human beings.

    Gary Plauché shooting son’s rapist.jpeg

    Most of the rest are doing the McChristain thing and doing nothing.

    Some are cheering on his son’s castration.
    There can be no mercy for demon worshipers.

    • Pax Imperialis says:

      His anger is just. Last resort to save his son is some bloodshed. Retweeting the Chase Steely picture is good. That’s the type of thing that should be done over a dead body.

      • Pax Imperialis says:

        *not good

      • Red says:

        I rather doubt he’ll doing anything. He seems genuinely surprised people are telling him to kidnap his son. He’s going to be more surprised when people treat him like shit for the rest of his life for failing to even try to save his son.

        • The Cominator says:

          Kidnapping won’t do it unless he can escape to Russia and they agree to shelter him…

          He has to kill his wife (preferably she is not in Austin) and go before a jury trial…

          • Pax Imperialis says:

            You can be sure that after the picture he retweeted his chance of success went down massively. If he doesn’t get reported as a threat and detained, he may find the ex wife has armed guards waiting for him.

            • Red says:

              What picture are you talking about?

            • The Cominator says:

              The one with Pat Buchanan holding a revolver sitting under a portrait of Robert E Lee?

              • Red says:

                That’s not a threat.

                • The Cominator says:

                  I would agree its not… its a very vague allusion to a semi violent mood.

                • Pax Imperialis says:

                  Forgot Texan gun laws, but in some states that’s enough to potentially trigger red flag laws. All it takes is for someone to call in claiming they feel the person is a threat.

      • Red says:

        Retweeting the Chase Steely picture is good. That’s the type of thing that should be done over a dead body.

        I agree, but it’s also why I know he’s not going to do jack shit. People who post stuff like that are not going to do anything.

    • notglowing says:

      What about this?
      https://nitter.net/TransparencyWTX/status/1609045502762389504

      Maybe things aren’t quite that bad. Otherwise it’s one step from the worst possible situation.

      • notglowing says:

        TransparencyWTX calling trannying kids demonic makes me more likely to believe them.

        Maybe let’s not be too blackpilled

        • Pax Imperialis says:

          California has made it perfectly clear they are a sanctuary state for trannies. Texas law prevents her from transitioning the kid in Texas. When she moves to California she will be free to do what she wants.

          • The Cominator says:

            Dear God if the wife is in Cali much less chance he gets a jury that will treat him fairly if he does the right thing.

            • Pax Imperialis says:

              She agreed to not transition the kid when she takes him to California. The mother would risk contempt as well as an aggravated perjury charge if she were to do it; however:

              Extradition requests are made from the office of one state’s governor to the other. If the request is approved by both governors, an extradition hearing will be held and a court in the state with the fugitive will make a decision to grant or deny extradition.

              It doesn’t even make it to a jury. The Californian governor’s office would just ignore requests and Texas is a bum out of luck.

              • Red says:

                The mother would risk contempt as well as an aggravated perjury charge if she were to do it; however:

                Women regularly ignore that stuff and the family courts do nothing. There’s no risk.

          • notglowing says:

            It seems there is nuance to it and it wouldn’t be allowed in this case.
            Unless we see them moving forward with it, there’s a good chance it might not happen and the court case prevented her from doing it.

            I want to believe there is a good chance the kids will be saved, God willing.

            • Red says:

              Unless we see them moving forward with it, there’s a good chance it might not happen and the court case prevented her from doing it.

              You must be new here. The wife will do whatever she wants and the courts will ignore the violation as they always do. That’s how things work. Clinics are already above the law when it comes to mutilating children.

              • notglowing says:

                Not new, but things aren’t always as black and white as they seem when it comes to laws being ignored for the sake of holiness.

                We will see what happens, I think there’s still a good chance, and I will pray for him.

                Otherwise, I am going to bed seething in impotent rage and that is always a pointless and a bad thing.

                • Red says:

                  Not new, but things aren’t always as black and white as they seem when it comes to laws being ignored for the sake of holiness.

                  I hate to be harsh about this, but you’re listening to McChristains lie to themselves and spread those lies on social media.

                  Here’s an actual Christian idea: God has delivered a protector for this boy. His name is Father. May God give him the courage to obey the Lord’s commandments and end the danger to his son.

            • Red says:

              Also note he had his rights revoked because he wouldn’t treat his son as a girl.

      • Red says:

        He seems to have the right sort of enemies:

        https://www.texastribune.org/2022/03/14/jeff-younger-transgender-care-house/

        Here’s a better story on the court decision:

        https://thetexan.news/court-strips-james-youngers-father-of-custody-but-says-permission-needed-for-puberty-blockers-gender-surgeries/

        The reality is she’ll take his son to a clinic and they’ll castrate him or put him on blockers and the courts won’t do shit about it. He’s go no say with no custody rights.

        • The Cominator says:

          How old is he I wouldn’t have to sit still for my balls cutting if I don’t want to…

    • SJ says:

      Bastards usually have bad outcomes, always have. Castration likely isn’t that unusual for a bastard. The man’s correct move is to ignore the slut and her bastard and, if he desires a legitimate family, to create that legitimate family. Nothing good comes from men pretending that they can gift a childhood of legitimacy unto a bastard. Nothing good comes from pretending a child isn’t a bastard in cases such as this as well, where the ‘marriage’ is dissolved.

  8. Kunning Drueger says:

    Once again, I am coming to BJC to ask for a favor lol.

    Recently, Fidelis, Red, Starman and a few others have offered powerful insights on shill tests, both in application as well as underlying theory and, most importantly, the critical necessity. I’m humbly requesting that everyone make my life slightly easier by contributing observations, guidelines, and block structures regarding Shill Testing. Here’s why I ask.

    I believe that field testing from lab personnel has gone far enough for a beta test out in the wild. Early tests on /pol/, /k/, YouTube, and Facebook have yielded positive results, and the good work done by our Gab detachment mirrors those results. What I’d like to do is put together an Introduction to Shill Tests and a Basics of Shill Tests, all wrapped up nice and neat. I can go into detail about how I will be using these tools if necessary, but probably better to keep stuff compartmentalized. All contributions welcome, but keep in mind it’s all going to be compressed and generalized.

    If anyone thinks this is a dumb and/or destructive idea, please sound off. I think it’s time to expand, but if I’m wrong, tell me. Thanks for any assistance lads, and thanks to anyone and everyone that contributed to making BJC a blessed respite in the year of our Lord, 2022.

    • Starman says:

      @Kunning Drueger

      Keep in mind that Youtube will zap multiple choice Redpill on Women Questions right off its comment sections.

      • Red says:

        Yep. Youtube has a shitload of keyword scanners and AI bots running around putting comments into moderation right away. I get basic comments censored all the time just commenting on history videos because the moderation is overbearing.

        • Starman says:

          @Red

          “I get basic comments censored all the time just commenting on history videos because the moderation is overbearing.”

          With a completely different handle and persona, my Youtube comments on Islamic Divine Law and the Christian Logos got zapped right off. It was just comparative religion, nothing offensive to either Islam or Christianity.

          • Red says:

            Google has blacklists of key words and phrases that’s that goes on for tens of thousands of pages. It’s gotten so bad that their search engine no longer works very well. They typically by keyword/phrase not by user.

            You might be able to get away with posting stuff if you use misspelled words, but they added a lot of the common work arounds to those blacklists.

            • Kunning Drueger says:

              interesting observations. I have built a methodology for deploying the shill test on YouTube that differs substantially from the methodology that we use here. obviously I’m not going to leave any examples, but I will tell you that it is very drawn out and circuitous. It definitely works, but it’s not for the faint of heart and it is mostly useful for figuring out what a person is and not policing them off the site.

              • Red says:

                That’s pretty cool. I’m super careful with youtube, I’ve got too much stuff tied up with my google account to warrant catching a ban and most other like minded users are also worried about being banned so they very careful. Google bans everything when they hit you with the ban hammer.

            • FrankNorman says:

              What’s the best search engine?

          • jim says:

            Those were not the religions that you were offending.

            All religions have been rendered offensive to demon worship, thus discussion of religion becomes more and more severely circumscribed.

    • Red says:

      I’ve explained what I could about detecting shills. Look for comments from different users that are right next to each that are too perfectly complimentary, look for attacks designed to cut off areas of thinking by associating that thinking with low status behavior (conspiracy theorist, sexual status insults, etc).

      Most of all, assume that people who have not posted much before are shills until they commit some thought crimes. Not imply they commit thought crimes, but actually commit thought crimes. Shills are really good at implying they’re committing a thought crime without actually committing one. Which is why shill tests are so good.

      Finally, not every method of shill detection works for everyone. Back when I posted on reddit I explained to people until I was blue in the face how the shill comment blocks worked and those idiots never got it. Pick something that works for you and stick with it.

      KD generally has pretty good instincts with new posters being shills but often changes his mind after push back because he’s trying to be fair to new posters. Stick with your original impression for a bit longer until they prove themselves. New posters are going to have to get used to being challenged and attacked to see what they’re made of.

    • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

      >Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand.

      Judges 12-6

      The point of shill testing is to find things your shills can’t say, and oblige them to say them. Naturally this will mean a given group of subversives will have a given set of shill tests most appropriate for them.

      The underlying dynamics for which the ideological window dressing serves as pretext are so often perennial, but it is laborious to go over it in detail every single time one more out of a legion more of shills pops up, and may so often go over the heads of the more NPC inclined anyways; thus, obliging your interlocutor to express opinions, concepts, and reasoning that would see him ostrasized in enemy social circles, provides an efficiency of energy in dispatching the matter; low effort signal jamming counter by an equally low effort filter.

    • Fidelis says:

      We need a modernized 39 articles. Short, decisive, reveal your principals and repel your enemies. Not a giant treatise. Not a huge wordy explanation of the articles. We don’t even need 39, we can probably get away with a condensed form of three: woman question, race question, Christ question. We only need more than those three to really hammer out weasels, just as the 39 articles are pretty much all about the Christ question, just hammering on details as the entryists were adapted to basic “say the name of the Lord” type questions. The entryists have gotten used to being unchallenged, so we don’t need to hit them with a book. Just the three for more public facing but still moderated channels, such as this comments section. A much much stronger series is needed to vet those who might work closely with you, and frankly I don’t think this can be written out much further than a short series of precepts to test against. It’s a practice, and it requires intellect not a script. Can be taught, but not by explanation alone.

      We don’t need a guidebook. Anyone that needs a fucking textbook as to how to make a paid shill or a weak souled demonic cocksucker squirm is not smart enough for the job.

      You want to see more of this in the wild? Be the change. Those pattern matchers on your side will pick it up. You need to practice yourself to get better at it, good enough to hammer the more clever into revealing their master.

      • jim says:

        I hope to get feedback on constructing a creed for the coming holy wars of the twenty first century. I may promote this comment to a post, but first, the related upcoming post, “War and Covid”.

        I like my short version of the Christian creed, though it would not have sufficed during the holy wars of the seventeenth century during which the shill tests got longer and longer, it generally suffices against today’s fake Christians.

        Jesus Christ is Lord, born in Bethlehem, died at Jerusalem, and is, is from before the beginning of the world. Fully God and fully man. God is three and God is one.

        But back then, women were not emancipated. Today, the women question is central, not the Christ question. We have recently seen a bunch of holy wars over the woman question, notably Afghanistan, which was fought to teach nine year old girls to put a condom on a banana and to make Afghanistan safe for faggots.

        Syria was also a woman question war, but the Ukraine war is over the gay parade and the rainbow flag. The Global American Empire genocide in the Congo and attempted genocide in Rwanda were race question wars, but the attempted genocide of the Alawites in Syria was a woman question war.

        How do we briefly summarize The three magic words and make women property again?

        So here is my short version of the essential points. But it is too long to readily usable in the age of short attention spans, and not necessarily easy for midwits to understand. We need something short and accessible to midwits. We need something plain enough that the enemy’s refusal to understand what we are saying is going to be noticeable.

        Jesus Christ is Lord, born in Bethlehem, died at Jerusalem, and is, is from before the beginning of the world. Fully God and fully man. God is three and God is one.

        It is female nature to be property, and they are never happy unless the property of the most alpha male that they have had sex with. This is marriage, commanded by Nature’s God. What is today called marriage is a sacrilege. God commands marriage, commands a form of marriage that is incompatible with female emancipation and female sexual choice, and the higher races will reproduce below replacement with any other system. The nature of women makes it unwise to allow them unrestricted sexual choice, because the majority of men can never be the most alpha male, resulting in incel and failure to reproduce.

        Races are different, human races would be classified as different species were it not for the existence of substantial clines between the races, and some races are substantially closer to chimps, and hence presumably to the common ancestor of man and chimp, than other races. That humans are one species is not a fact about nature, but a fact about scientific nomenclature. Darwin did not feel like drawing an arbitrary line through northern Africa. It is impossible for substantially different races to live together as equals, and if a higher race attempts to grant a lower race equality, the violence and destructiveness of the lower race will drive the higher race out of the homes they have built.

        But the stuff on the race question and women question is far too long. Needs to be condensed without losing its essential meaning. And the essential meaning needs to remain unspeakable and unthinkable for our enemies, so that not only can they not say it, they cannot even discuss it in a way that admits that their interlocutor said it and thought it.

        • Fidelis says:

          But it is too long to readily usable in the age of short attention spans, and not necessarily easy for midwits to understand. We need something short and accessible to midwits.

          More and more I come to believe including midwits in your calculations is a mistake. Midwits are not capable of self programming, they more than anyone are susceptible to enemy programming, which is much louder than your programming. Mass memeing is usefull only when fishing for chads. In which case, you are laying bait and hooks, trying to drag them to the source of your ideas where they can digest them at their own leisure.

          Shill tests find their highest utility in vetting members of your organization and in vetting members of your group chat. Your group chat that you are using to gather information, test arguments, and make sense of the world. In both cases, if your shill test excludes midwits because they are too impatient, that is no loss.

          Soverign corporations are truly not far now, their first iterations can be said to already exist. This is where the shill test must be refined. You need to smash the brains of any and all entryists before they enter the private chat, before they submit code. Fish publicly, talk privately, work cooperatively, exclude all evil.

          Too dangerous to employ shill tests in an unsubtle way in meatspace. Too dangerous to not deploy the strongest and most highly refined shill tests online, when letting someone work with you on important projects, let alone delegating them important tasks.

        • S says:

          Women desire men who remove their ability to choose and will search until their womb dries. Thus each man must own his wife and have the power of life and death over those who subvert this.

          Status hierarchies dominate human behavior; thus there will never be equality. For race, the larger the gap the more force will be behind the status distinction; either natural hierarchy or the high using the low to murder the middle.

          Missing anything essential?

          • jim says:

            Seems pretty good, and a lot shorter than my version. Also readily intelligible.

            I covered lots of stuff that matters, but for the intended usage, only what matters is the core heresy.

            But the trouble is, though it is readily intelligible to us, can shills evade the intended meaning, substituting their own, which is how they got around the old Christian shill tests, which then had to get longer and longer?

            I am not sure it is sufficiently clear to someone who wants to not understand it,

            • S says:

              Does object level work- channel Heartsie and talk about what makes women wet and dry- or do they doublethink and blame men for female response?

              Talking about status is slippery. But it can be more direct and less conceptual.

              There always exists an elite.
              Good helps those like them, evil hurts those like them.
              Good elites have children and reward their supporters with the same.
              Evil elites don’t reproduce and attack those they depend on, using outsiders to harm them who are betrayed in turn.

              It feels close, but too clunky.

            • Red says:

              I can’t add a whole lot to exact verbiage, but the things that seems drive progressives and McChristains (I repeat myself) up the wall is women being owned, rejection the idea of consent, and wives having to obey their husbands.

              Paul’s words on women are basically taboo at this point:

              1 Timothy 2

              9 in like manner also the women, in becoming apparel, with modesty and sobriety to adorn themselves, not in braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or garments of great price,

              10 but — which becometh women professing godly piety — through good works.

              11 Let a woman in quietness learn in all subjection,

              12 and a woman I do not suffer to teach, nor to rule a husband, but to be in quietness,

              13 for Adam was first formed, then Eve,

              14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman, having been deceived, into transgression came,

              15 and she shall be saved through the child-bearing, if they remain in faith, and love, and sanctification, with sobriety.

              Women need to be subjugated to, obey, shut up around, and be below men. Their salvation is through child bearing.

            • simplyconnected says:

              How about simply women should not have the same rights as men, and/or women should respect and obey, first their fathers, then their husbands. Hard to misinterpret, absolute kryptonite even to McChristians (as Red says).

              • jim says:

                Short, and a sufficient thought crime. Also straightforwardly and directly follows form scripture.

              • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

                I would change that second one to read, women should respect and obey their husbands, or fathers if unmarried. Primacy of fathers over husbands is a failure point of patriarchy. We do not want to give anyone a way in to wedge husbands against fathers.

              • The Cominator says:

                Women should obey their fathers until married and then EXCLUSIVELY their husbands once married, and their fathers should arrange for them to be married shortly after puberty and not try to hold onto them after.

                • c4ssidy says:

                  Jim claims, rephrased in my own words, that an unmarried daughter will have a habit of wandering off down dark alleyways in a tight little dress with her legs showing. But if her bluepilled father is gatekeeping her into stupid ages, does she not have a duty at some point to wonder off? Or at least create a social media account?

                • jim says:

                  Yes she does, but this presupposes a social order where if a man pops a virgin, he is stuck with her, and she with him.

                • Red says:

                  After the bronze age collapse the Assyrians required every daughter married by 14. That’s a simple but effective tool to solve the issue.

                • simplyconnected says:

                  Primacy of fathers over husbands is a failure point of patriarchy.

                  Sorry, I meant it the way you clarified it, but my writing wasn’t very clear.

              • Red says:

                simplyconnected says

                Women should not have the same rights as men, and/or women should respect and obey, first their fathers, then their husbands.

                I like that.

                There’s a separate topic that girls needs to be married by 14, arranged marriages, and only marry the first man they fuck, but I’m not sure we can pile everything into simple statements.

                I suggest a separate section for family life that includes not sending girls to higher education, forcing them to marry the first man they fuck, and rights and responsibilities of a patriarch with his children, specifically that he needs to finds good mates for all his children as one of his primary responsibilities.

                But another section might be too much. Meme crafting isn’t really my thing.

                • The Cominator says:

                  “forcing them to marry the first man they fuck”

                  I do think the father should be able to veto this is the girl is young and attractive enough to get takers despite loss of virginity.

                • Red says:

                  I do think the father should be able to veto this is the girl is young and attractive enough to get takers despite loss of virginity.

                  First step on the road to women’s lib. The act of fucking is the act of marriage. The father no longer owns her. The only solutions are to allow the marriage stand or kill the man.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Nah virgin marriages among europeans were only the rule in the upper and upper middle classes in the West, generally for common people marriages were arranged when a girl was pregnant.

                  The only way to stop womens rights is to hang anyone advocating womens rights, there is no substitute for constantly executing progressives. Enacting Arab type rules and not our old rules is not a substitute.

                • jim says:

                  > Nah virgin marriages among europeans were only the rule in the upper and upper middle classes in the West, generally for common people marriages were arranged when a girl was pregnant

                  If she winds up stuck with the first man who banged her, virgin marriage. The ceremony makes it official, the sexual act with the intent and capability to keep the woman around is what makes marriage.

                  If virgin at the marriage ceremony, she is the bride, not yet the wife, until she and her husband retire to their room.

                • Red says:

                  I said the first man she fucked, not virgin marriage. Once a man’s turned that key, then he can turn it again and again.

                • Neofugue says:

                  > Nah virgin marriages among europeans were only the rule in the upper and upper middle classes in the West, generally for common people marriages were arranged when a girl was pregnant.

                  Why should our moral values be set to the low standards of inferior people?

                  Common people married when the girl was pregnant because infertile couples starved. Since this condition no longer applies, Red’s position is more relevant.

                • The Cominator says:

                  The Arab rules are for an inferior people bring back our form of patriarchy and we wont have to execute so many people for opposing it. Putting so many people in unsuitable marriages is going to bring too much opposition and that is when you get womens lib… a slightly looser system will be more palatable then we just hang its obvious feminist opponents and then we have stable patriarchy.

                  Also as i have often pointed out hard and fast first lover rules are just female choice by other means.

                • jim says:

                  > Also as i have often pointed out hard and fast first lover rules are just female choice by other means.

                  Female choice is not that bad if forced to choose once and forever.

                • ten says:

                  Daddy veto gives daddy incentive to hide his daughters lack of virginity, meaning he will hide her sexual misconduct, and she will manipulate him to let her bang around until she is broken beyond repair. It aligns vices of fathers with vices of daughters. Dangerous.

                  Don’t minimize female choice, maximize marriage. Which means if the girl launches her crotch at some nogood, you win some, lose some. If there are bitter old women stuck with their loser throughout life, daughters will be wary of getting stuck with losers.

                  And if the nogood turns around and isnt such a loser when put in charge of a family, which they tend to do, win win.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Not sure I agree…

          • Karl says:

            Beautifully worded and concise, but for a shill test it needs to spelled out what to choose and what “own” entails.

            Otherwise a shill will silently add some words that subvert the meaning, e.g. Women desire men who remove their ability to choose hate over love and will search until their womb dries. Thus each man must own his wife’ heart and have the power of life and death over those who subvert this.

            The reason why legal texts are getting more and more lengthy and complex is that they are drafted to prevent hostile misinterpretation. The less common faith and cultural basis there is, the more needs to be spelled out explicitly. Shill tests face the same problem.

            I suggest the following amendment of S’s excellent suggestion:

            Every Woman of fertile age desires a man who removes her ability to fuck anyone but him and will search for such a man until her womb dries. Thus each man must own his wife, his wife must obey him, he must have power of life and death over her, and I have a duty to help any man of my community controlling his wife.

            Property rights only exists by consensus. When a man no longer cares if his neighbor’s property is stolen, pretty soon someone will steal his own property. That’s why I suggest adding confirmation of a duty to the creed and shill test.

            • Fidelis says:

              The problem here is that you can never have enough words words words to cover each edge case. This is a practice, not a theorem. Start with basic tenets, follow with specific and targeted material if you catch a bad smell. Having a lengthy well written screed just gives a target to practice against, more surface area to attack. So don’t write it down. Ingest the meaning yourself, to be able to be the one that would have written the treatise, then it becomes natural to see if the suspect shares your point of view.

        • SJ says:

          I’ve found that stating ‘men must tell women what to do and then women will do it because it is their nature to obey’ causes crime stop and is quickly followed by a ban. Also usefully worded as if a husband isn’t telling his wife what to do then another man will. I’ve also found that the cucks I’m surrounded by are unable to think about telling their wives what to do and when they hear and see my much younger much more beautiful wife obeying me they will whisper to me in secret that I’m going to anger her majesty so I should stop commanding.

          I have been going out of my way to demonstrate my command over my wife and to tell these men that men must be dominate, but dominate like Abraham is over Sarah. Crime stop prevents them from understanding.

          I’m not sure how to break through the crime stop. I demonstrate my wife’s obedience, everyone knows I have a ‘trophy’ wife, and on top of that she is pregnant with our fifth son. During a snow storm two weeks ago I made a point to demonstrate my commanding her to shovel the walks and driveway before I get home and her obedience with the same result described above. Crime stop followed by several cucks whispering to me secretively that I must cease my leadership over my wife and rather servant lead lest I suffer the wrath of her majesty.

          On this point I have wondered if consent mortality results in men seeing women as God, as women’s consent grants morality to the sex act under this insane morale code. I have been working out methods to challenge consent morality for several years with no success. I have ruined two ‘friendships’ with pathetic cucks by pressing this issue quite far but still no success.

        • Red says:

          It’s funny, I barley care about the race question anymore. With the death of voting overwhelming us with darkies is less important than reproduction and combat power from groups of Aryan men, which we’ll only have if young men have faith, and can own their wives and children.

          • The Cominator says:

            Yes to me the battle to keep America from becoming multiracial ala Brazil has unfortunately already been lost… while I certainly don’t want 100 million Africans coming here I’m less concerned about race than I used to be… Florida is multiracial but since it uncorrupted in its voting and since the Republicans here seem to be very good at converting nonwhites to the more redpilled variety of Republican politics it does okay compared to most places. There are heavily black neighborhoods in Florida I’m much safer in than some whiter methtowns in the Midwest…

            The worst demon worshippers also almost always tend to be college educated whites ESPECIALLY women…

            • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

              “Thank God for these good Christian boys” James Comey’s good friend muses, as he gazes lovingly down on the mysterymeat spawn of his daughters.

              • The Cominator says:

                If I have the right to arrange marriages for them why should I worry about that?

                Not a friend nor have I ever met Comey, but Comey was the last Cathedral insider who seemed to deliberately sabotage our enemies.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  Why would you have that right, when the community as such is not constituted by people who think in ways that lead to such right?

                  Demography is destiny. The Alexandrian form of social organism passed away with Alexander’s armies. The Roman form of social organism passed away with the Roman form of people. Naturam expellas furca, tamen usque recurret.

                • The Cominator says:

                  In our hypothetical future state id have that right, of couse i dont now.

                • Red says:

                  Not a friend nor have I ever met Comey, but Comey was the last Cathedral insider who seemed to deliberately sabotage our enemies.

                  You still believe that bullshit? Comey was an incompetent figurehead with delusions of Grander who stupidity got in the way of Mueller’s boys who actually ran the FBI with Hillary Clinton. He was always against us and he was used quite skillfully by his handlers against Trump and MAGA after his initial fuck ups.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Agnostic on it but he made a LOT of fuckups and Trump probably should have kept him on…

                • Red says:

                  You are starting to remind me of a Polock.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  >In our hypothetical future state id have that right, of couse i dont now.

                  In a hypothetical future polity constituted by people who share your genetic commons; not a multikulti mysterymeat stew.

                  Why do civnat cucks always think people who don’t think like them will somehow magically get along with them? WHy do civnat cucks always think people who don’t think like them will somehow magically get along with them profitably? By definition they don’t.

                  No form you value will exist without people of like kind as you, and thus share the same attraction to the same forms as you.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Red calm down, Trump was better off with Comey than with his own appointee (yes I’m sure foisted on him via McConnell and the gang) fucking Christopher Wray who consistently sabotaged him (probably worse than anyone) and DIDN’T fuck it up.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Not a civnat advocate the millet system but I’m recognizing the reality. Unless the civil war goes full racial its unlikely at this point that the US will ever get back to 1980s demographics at least within the next 200 years. Biden has probably let in 10-20 million illegals already and even under Trump the flood was merely halted but it wasn’t reversed…

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  It doesn’t get brought up often, assumedly because the ones who are still around from back then are polite about it, and everyone else are newerfigs who weren’t, but a commentary debut hinging on an inexplicable promotion of a swamp creature who acted exactly like every other swamp creature and stabbed Trump in the back was a huge face egg; a almost damning indictment even, something that will always be lurking in the back of the file drawer.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Comey never was going to be allowed to touch Hillary legally but nuking her from orbit I think 13 days before the 2016 election… Well if it wasn’t deliberate Comey’s idiocy was of a providential nature.

                  McCabe did way more against Trump than Comey did too, it wasn’t Comey running Strzok it was McCabe.

                • Red says:

                  It’s concerning that he hasn’t reputed Comey. He seemed a bit naive when he got started here and talked of how Comey would eventually ride in to save Trump. It was obvious bullshit back then but kind of a small thing in the scheme of things.

                  It’s Ok to admit that you were wrong and move on. It’s stupid to hold onto your mistakes as things that just haven’t been proven yet long after they’ve been disproven.

                • Red says:

                  Comey never was going to be allowed to touch Hillary legally but nuking her from orbit I think 13 days before the 2016 election… Well if it wasn’t deliberate Comey’s idiocy was of a providential nature.

                  McCabe did way more against Trump than Comey did too, it wasn’t Comey running Strzok it was McCabe.

                  After the election Comey stopped calling the shots and let Muellers boys run the FBI. They decided at that point to try to get Trump to fire Comey and Comey played along. Remember those memos about Trump he recorded in preparation to being fired?

                  Evil often mars evil. That all that happened with Comey.

          • A2 says:

            This thread reminds me that at some point — perhaps now? — whites will have to become fully multicultural in the great multicultural empire we have decreed. Which is to say, become an interest group like blacks, jews, etc., and work our interest.

            “In multiracial societies, you don’t vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion.” (Lee Kuan Yew)

            • Red says:

              My point is now that voting doesn’t matter, only combat power does. Therefor we need to cultivate Aryan combat power, reproduction, and faith so that our warriors, engineers, priests, and workers can create a future for us.

        • pinochet's ghost says:

          “Syria was also a woman question war,”

          Both the Alawites and the Russians are 1950s feminists. So are the Chinese.

          We face a bigger danger from our enemy’s enemies castrating themselves with 1950s feminism, than we do from our enemies literally castrating themselves.

          Almost all cuckservatives also believe in 1950s feminism.

          Woman question shill test has to be impossible to pass by 1950s feminists.

          • jim says:

            > Both the Alawites and the Russians are 1950s feminists. So are the Chinese.

            Alawite feminism proved insufficient to be acceptable.

            The sticking issue was female education. Alawites insisted on equality. GAE demanded that women be more equal than men.

    • Shill detection:

      1. Shills are desperate to prove they are part of your group. Hence, for example, they signal “hail fellow white christian male” strongly on Jim’s Blog. Which itself should raise suspicions. Since shilling is a mostly low effort thing, they are quite unsubtle about it. Being subtle and patient is beyond their purview. Example: one of the shills with the pseudonym “Whitey”.

      2. Shills always project themselves as a caricature, or what left-wingers imagine right-wingers to be like. Also shills commit what left-wingers think are right-wing thought crimes and studiously avoid actual thought crimes. Hence they can loudly proclaim how much they hate jews, niggers and how they rayciss they are, but cannot say *why*. Since professional shills rely on scripts, it becomes obvious who wrote the script when they commit what they imagine are right wing Shibboleths. They insert their actual payload in between their innocuous “thought crimes”.

      3. Shills disappear quietly or become predictably unresponsive when challenged to respond to thought crimes. It is not so much to find out whether they agree with the premise of the thought crime but whether they are actually able to engage intelligently with that thought crime at all in the first place.

      The biggest issue with shills is not detecting them but actually moderating them and preventing them from drowning out signal with their noise. The thing is, apart from Jim’s Blog, there are not many forums out there with effective shill prevention, allowing shills to take over and derail conversations.

      • pinochet's ghost says:

        this blog, compare to 4chan, proves that active moderation by a capable loyalist is the only solution to shills

        4chan proves failing to control shills results in fatality

        the only way to scale the moderation by capable loyalists is by the cell method

  9. Kunning Drueger says:

    Here’s a line of inquiry pointed primarily at Jim, Red, and Wulfgar, but obviously open to anyone willing to engage:

    Working off of Red’s stated premise (PF was a false flag generator that has morphed into a ultra-nationalist paramilitary under control of FBI), is Patriot Front uniquely susceptible to entryism from the Right?

    For the organization to have the capacity implied by the above, by necessity, they must deploy certain methods and tactics to a specific type of person. This means that they will be men with ingroup preference and loyalty, able to coordinate and act proactively towards constrained goals. This means they are quite susceptible to our memes, moreso than almost any other group or organization.

    • Pax Imperialis says:

      Capturing honeypots are generally detrimental. If they are susceptible to your memes, the goal would be to get them far away from FBI oversight as possible. In fact, you’d want to get them in the FBI itself such that they are mostly dead weight.

      • Kunning Drueger says:

        Ok, fair point, but I still think there is some utility to considering reverse entrying an organization built and funded by the Cathedral that is specifically looking for masculine men to do manly things. This is a unique scenario IMO.

        • Red says:

          @KD I’d feel better about it Azov wasn’t currently fighting to the last Goy in the Ukraine.

        • jim says:

          Because our enemy has been practicing entryism successfully since the eighteenth century, they are very paranoid about entryists and are quite effective about stopping them. You are not getting anywhere unless you point to a whole lot of deer and make a whole lot of horses.

          They are also going to test you for stuff that is hard to fake, like your disgust reflex. If you have one, not getting anywhere.

          • Mister Grumpus says:

            As Aidan put it: “Want to advance into leadership? Have to be total garbage.”

  10. Pax Imperialis says:

    railway bridges, fuel depots and power plants in Russia have all been damaged in unexplained incidents since the Kremlin launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February. 
    While no American personnel are involved on the ground in Russia in the execution of these missions, agency paramilitary officers are commanding and controlling the operations

    I’m a little surprised this hasn’t been posted yet. Not anything groundbreaking, I remember the discussions here about the sinking of the Moskva and almost certain US involvement.

    Worse yet, two sabotage cells compromised each other while casing the same target, according to the two former military officials. One operative died and another was captured in the resulting firefight with Russian security services, they said.

    Yikes, that rough. It turns out that no plan survives first contact with the other plan.

    https://archive.ph/J3KPF

    • Red says:

      I never posted anything about it because it was obvious what was going on. Putin doesn’t want to expand the war so he’s not retaliating for the attacks. When the US blows up an entire pipe line, this sort of stuff seems minor.

      BTW, ISIS has been rearmed and rebuilt by the US in Syria. Syrian war 2.0 is starting up.

  11. Red says:

    I just love that they didn’t give all the Jernos saline shots:

    https://communities.win/c/TheDonald/p/16ZqPZDUIq/its-vaids/c/

    KD link:
    https://archive.ph/wip/UwCmx

  12. Starman says:

    Something to get off my chest:

    The term “Modernity” is fake and gay.

    • Red says:

      It does smack of blaming time instead of the men making normal family creation impossible.

      • Starman says:

        @Red

        “It does smack of blaming time instead of the men making normal family creation impossible.”

        Yes. I’ve gotten suspicious of that word for that very same reason.

        It has allowed anti-human gaia-worshipers to mask themselves as “dissident right.”

        • Kunning Drueger says:

          I’m not following. Are they people praising modernity, or are they blaming all the problems on modernity? Does this tie into the rise of neopagan larping? the Retvrn Meme generates funny and inspiring images, are you saying it’s a psyop?

          • Starman says:

            @Kunning Drueger

            “Are they people praising modernity, or are they blaming all the problems on modernity?”

            Modernity is a fake term.
            An anti-concept much like racism, pedophilia, marital rape, and gender.

          • Starman says:

            @Kunning Drueger

            “Are they people praising modernity, or are they blaming all the problems on modernity?”

            Modernity is a fake term.
            An anti-concept much like racism, pedophilia, marital rape, and gender.

            [Tags got broken on the last post]

            • Kunning Drueger says:

              I don’t know if you thought this was a confession, or something you’d have to argue, but it’s dead on IMO. I use the term a lot, and it is always a negative, a pejorative, a shibboleth for the attuned to indicate codified fakeness and gayness. Completely agree, is what I’m saying. That ngram is basically a graphical representation of the Harvard Lead, or normie lag maybe, by which I mean the “20 year lag time” between Harvard and the Commons. Excellent find.

          • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

            The state religion of the atlantic empire is technically a recent development, and Godly men developing fabulous new forms of techne is also technically a recent development, and so the tendency to conflate these facts is difficult to resist (and in the case of the former, done intentionally to take the shine of the later).

            The term ‘modern’ itself is of course a floating point in a definitive sense, so there is an inherent contingency to trying to apply it to one specific set of time in particular (like, say, everything past the 16th century), which only becomes ever more strained as it recedes further into the past, and the cycles of history turn again.

            • Starman says:

              @Pseudo-Chrysostom

              “The state religion of the atlantic empire is technically a recent development, and Godly men developing fabulous new forms of techne is also technically a recent development, and so the tendency to conflate these facts is difficult to resist (and in the case of the former, done intentionally to take the shine of the later).”

              That’s probably the reason that the brahmin class invented the term modernity out of thin air in the 1960s.
              Quote from the link:

              Modernity, a topic in the humanities and social sciences

              Next time someone posts about “Modernity” in a non-ironic way, I will ask him to define it.

              • Pax Imperialis says:

                It’s easier on the ears to hear “modernity” than “it’s the current year!” One is snobbish, the other is autistic NPC screeching. They both mean the same thing.

                • Starman says:

                  @Pax Imperialis
                  Define “modernity.”

                • Pax Imperialis says:

                  I did define it.

                  “modernity“=“it’s the current year!”

                • Starman says:

                  @Pax Imperialis

                  “I did define it.

                  ‘modernity’=’it’s the current year!'”

                  “It’s the current year” means specifically one thing.
                  Does “modernity”?

                  Here’s Wrath of Gnon using the term modernity:

                  “Building cities for millions in Arizona with no other water sources than fossil groundwater that won’t last and will never replenish. Modernity.

                  The ancient Garamantes used fossil water thousands of years ago, if only they knew about a term invented out of thin air in the 1960s… 🤔

                • Pax Imperialis says:

                  My mockery of modernity didn’t transmit through the internet. That is fine.

                  >the brahmin class invented the term modernity out of thin air in the 1960s

                  Did it now? I thought it came from 1939. “I’m going to marry your husband so what this is 1939, we’re modern.”
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbNWuty9Qhw

                  Oh wait, The phrase “we’re modern” started being used in 1890. Now isn’t that interesting? But wait there’s more!

                  https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=modern&year_start=1500&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=0

                  Good Lord! What happened in 1543!? Why of course it’s Sir Thomas More the “first in modern Europe” and the “modern popular Socialist.”

                  What you are seeing is an old concept in a new word or phrase. It’s recursive entropy in the spirit of wiping away the past for a bright new “orgastic future.”

                  >“It’s the current year” means specifically one thing.

                  It means many things, but more rigorously it means “we’re modern” which means “modernity” which means “modern man” which means etc etc…

                • Starman says:

                  @Pax Imperialis
                  Modernityas a proper term, is a fake term popularized in the 1960s.

                  Now lets take a look at some more Wrath of Gnon:

                  “Earthen plaster is modernity proof. The techniques, the tools, and the materials, all have remained virtually unchanged for hundreds of years. From hillside and field to wall and castle, and eventually return to the same soil it came from. Only the human hand is needed.

                  I guess the ancient Garamanteans were “modernity proof,”… except they were also practicing “modernity.”

                  What is “Modernity” again?

                • Pax Imperialis says:

                  I’ve offered multiple definitions. Some humorous and some abstract. I’ve also attempted to show the concept of “modernity” inhabits multiple words and phrases going far before the 1960s. It stretches back to the 1500s Sir Thomas More, the progenitor Whig mentality/history.

                  I can’t give a tight definition of “modernity” for the same reason I can’t give a tight definition of “communism.” The meaning is too amorphous. That does not mean those terms are fake. They do a decent job at describing a conceptional space that is both distinct and exclusionary of say medievalness.

                  Building cities for millions in Arizona with no other water sources than fossil groundwater that won’t last and will never replenish. Modernity.

                  This is expressing nihilistic temporality. God lasts forever. Without God all we have is our worldly material. Material that we have positioned in areas that can’t last a thousand years, maybe not even 100 years, or if we’re really unlucky not even 10. Contrast that with the Eternal City. A city with both tangible timelessness and seemingly eternal spirit. Does any “modern” city have those qualities? Do any “modern” churches hold the awe of the Notre-Dame de Paris? The Mona Lisa captures eternity (medievalness), Artist’s Can of Shit captures decay (modernity).

                  Earthen plaster is modernity proof. The techniques, the tools, and the materials, all have remained virtually unchanged for hundreds of years. From hillside and field to wall and castle, and eventually return to the same soil it came from. Only the human hand is needed.

                  This is expressing a longing for meaningful timelessness. Not in the material sense, after all the building returns to dust, but so does, as Christianity points out, the human body. What doesn’t turn to dust is the spirit that built the house. What WoG goes on to point out is that the removal of the human spirit from modern homes has lead to spiritual death. This is nihilistic temporality.

                  Watch Justin Trudeau give his reason and you may see the modernity that Wrath of Gnon is trying to get at:
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLk2aSBrR6U

                  There’s an extreme sense of the ephemeral and meaningless. “Because it’s 2015.” “Modernity” encompass ephemeralness and meaningless among many other concepts that arose during the 1500s. I can’t exactly define “modernity,” but I can tell you it’s the exact opposite of “medievalness.”

                  @Red
                  >It does smack of blaming time instead of the men making normal family creation impossible.

                  For good reason. Many who criticize modernity are themselves modern. They are nihilists who in turn hate themselves for being nihilists. That condition does effectively impede normal family creation. Most are a product of their time being raised in a Godless home and a Godless church. And now that I think about it, they are basically Shinji.

                • notglowing says:

                  If someone was to back the reactionary project, saying he wants to “destroy the *modern world*”, would he be a shill or a friend?

                • jim says:

                  Shill.

                • Red says:

                  notglowing says

                  If someone was to back the reactionary project, saying he wants to “destroy the *modern world*”, would he be a shill or a friend?

                  IE he wanted a revolution? Foe. We’re in the business of restoration the world to a working build, not destroying the world, that’s nihilism.

                  The most provocative post Jim ever made here:
                  Make Women Property Again.

                  Or as the esteemed Neo-reactionary Scholar @TheShadowknight says:

                  Hippity hoppity, women are property..

                  Those ideas are firmly rooted in restoration, not destruction, though destruction will be required to roll back to what worked.

                • Cloudswrest says:

                  Speaking of “modernity”, I just came across this today re. Tolkien.

                  J. R. R. Tolkien’s bestselling fantasy novel The Lord of the Rings had an initial mixed literary reception. Despite some enthusiastic early reviews from supporters such as W. H. Auden, Iris Murdoch, and C. S. Lewis, literary hostility to Tolkien quickly became acute and continued until the start of the 21st century. From 1982, Tolkien scholars such as Tom Shippey and Verlyn Flieger began to roll back the hostility, defending Tolkien, rebutting the critics’ attacks and analysing what they saw as good qualities in Tolkien’s writing.

                  From 2003, scholars such as Brian Rosebury began to consider why Tolkien had attracted such hostility. Rosebury noted that Tolkien avoided calling The Lord of the Rings a novel, and that in Shippey’s view Tolkien had been aiming to create a medieval-style heroic romance, despite modern scepticism about that literary mode. In 2014, Patrick Curry analysed the reasons for the hostility, finding it both visceral and full of evident mistakes, and suggesting that the issue was that the critics felt that Tolkien threatened their dominant ideology, modernism.

                  Interpretations of The Lord of the Rings have included Marxist criticism, sometimes at odds with Tolkien’s social conservatism; the psychological reading of heroes, their partners, and their opponents as Jungian archetypes; and comparison of Tolkien with modernist writers.

              • Modernity Man says:

                [*deleted for rectification of names*]

                • jim says:

                  You gave us the official definition of modernity, which seemingly reasonably defines modernity as industrial production and the replacement of muscle power by steam and electricity, and then sneaks into that definition the fake consensus that social changes imposed by state violence, such as the destruction of marriage and family, are the result of industrial production and the replacement of muscle power.

              • A2 says:

                Isn’t it the thing before post-modernity?

                (The latter which was abandoned once it had served its purpose.)

            • A2 says:

              Your words remind me that white Christianity is power, as history so amply shows. Let us recover it.

  13. Red says:

    @Com here’s the reason for the lock downs in China at least in Shanghai, they’re GAE affiliate:

    https://gab.com/TrevorGoodchild/posts/109604102408064602

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_clique

    • Kunning Druegger says:

      Clarification requested: I thought the consensus was that Goodchild glows or had some other issue? Not attacking you for sharing, just wondering.

      • Red says:

        KD that’s a fair question considering my previous position on TG.

        Jim’s assessment is he’s listening to shills on PF. I think that’s correct. PF looks super attractive to pretty much everyone on right and they’re trending towards being the GAE’s version of Azov instead of a false flag group.

        On medical stuff he’s quite good and doesn’t appear to be shilling. For a while there he was attacking men for being attracted to younger women with fully developed boobs but he switched his position after Jim and Starman pushed back hard. I’ve yet to see a shill or controlled opposition who could endorse that position.

        • Kunning Drueger says:

          In an imperfect time, it would be foolish to expect perfection of anyone. I will not deny that the whole PF thing is super attractive to me. Fit dudes rolling together as a unit, being respectful & honorable, and giving off a dangerous aura. If not for this site, I’d probably be… well, you know;) . I Guess the real question is, if PF is not a glow op, how do they still exist, right?

          They put out lots of super positive propaganda, like trad couples and families gathering to celebrate the holidays, platoons of bros working out together and doing impromptu boxing matches with guys they challenge, and showing up in force in a uniform manner to oppose the child tranny meat market BS. It’s hard to deny that they are projecting a very positive image of masculinity and cooperation. I’ve just gotten to the point where anytime I see a thing that appeals to me, my first thought is ” who is trying to take advantage of my weaknesses/sentiments??”

          • Red says:

            PF is 100% a glowie op, but a failed one. The FBI had them setup for for a long time to suck anyone who was a real danger of running a guerrilla campaign against them. But almost everyone called them out as glowies. So when they raided and arrested a few of them or had them show up in cities as the “white supremacists” then everyone called them glowies and told them to fuck off. Using them as a false flag wasn’t going to work well since everyone identified them correctly.

            Then the Ukrainian war started and the feds discovered that A) they need right to actually fight in order to win wars and B) the Azov Nazis were proving to be both effective in battle and effective in forcing unwilling men to fight for the Ukrainian government. They did this by murdering anyone who resisted with total conviction that they were righteous in doing so. Nazism has proven effective at forcing an unwilling nation to fight hard.

            At this point PF went from being poorly funded and super glowie to being very well funded with a very polished and effective PR arm that’s no longer looks as glowie. The feds are controlling them but they’re grooming them to be like the FBI’s Nazi elites. It’s not the weak FBI forcing you to enlist to die fighting Russia, it’s the fit and ideologically driven PF doing it. That will be much harder to resist since you’d be fighting people you’d be far more inclined to be allies. They’re also willing to fight and die unlike the FBI shits, who will go running when strong men start actively resisting them.

            PF is creating a problem for the right. We know the Feds are building them up to be like Azov but there’s no clear counter to it. Lots of good and useful men will end joining them and then be used to evil ends.

            • Red says:

              Wulfgar probably has better insight into PF than I do. I’m personally super attracted to what they selling, but joining would be a mistake currently.

              • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

                If I were the guy running PF, I would be looking for the people who joined early but got out when the creepy, demonic shit started. Those guys are getting whacked first. It does double duty as a armed force and as a fly paper for some of the most dangerous enemies: warriors with a moral compass. No way I touch anything PF unless it is under such deep cover that I could disappear that identity and never have it connected to me.

            • Adam says:

              Holiness spirals as I understand are usually halted by leftists… so there is potential in a future PF member giving it a shot.

              Really not a bad idea for a lone wolf type to join with intentions to halt it should conditions permit. Better than random minecrafting.

              • Red says:

                Really not a bad idea for a lone wolf type to join with intentions to halt it should conditions permit. Better than random minecrafting.

                Azov has disgusting Satanic rituals to ensure loyalty. I’m sure the feds will have PF will do something similar, they’ve bringing the Azov guys over to meet congress and learn their methods. Once you partake in such behavior you can’t really go back or double cross them.

                There was a book written in the 70s call Lucifer’s Hammer where a Comet hit the planet. One of the surviving groups there was an army unit that turned to cannibalism to survive. They got hooked up religious leader and they turned the cannibalism into a right of passage. If you wanted to join the army they forced you to kill, butcher, and eat another human. Once you partook in that you could never quit the army/religion because who would have anything to do with you? They locked you in with such acts.

                This is very common in Demon worship. Shared crimes are committed creating a sick brotherhood. If you get to the point where you refuse the to commit the crime they’ll just kill you.

                • jim says:

                  > Azov has disgusting Satanic rituals to ensure loyalty.

                  Hence the rise of a Satanist elite, and the effectiveness of the demon worshiper test.

                  Christian nationalism is necessary to exclude the enemy. If not explicitly Christian, will become explicitly demonic.

                  I think it is better to call it the demon worshiper test than the witch test or the Satan worshiper test, for Satan has many names and many minions.

                • Red says:

                  “I think it is better to call it the demon worshiper test than the witch test or the Satan worshiper test, for Satan has many names and many minions.”

                  I agree that Demon Worshiper test is better, but normies don’t get Demon Worship at all. It took me quite a while to wrap my head around it.

                  I basically have to tell people to read “The Conquest of New Spain” to understand what a Demon worshiper is. If you have a good way to explain it to them, please let me know.

                • Red says:

                  Screwed up the formatting

                  Jim said:

                  I think it is better to call it the demon worshiper test than the witch test or the Satan worshiper test, for Satan has many names and many minions.”

                  I agree that Demon Worshiper test is better, but normies don’t get Demon Worship at all. It took me quite a while to wrap my head around it.

                  I basically have to tell people to read “The Conquest of New Spain” to understand what a Demon worshiper is. If you have a good way to explain it to them, please let me know.

                • jim says:

                  What is the problem?

                  Why don’t normies get it? What did you find hard to get your head around?

                  Explain it to me like I am five.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  Obligatory transgression, shared crimes, and mutual blackmail as coordination mechanism, is the functional matter of demon worship.

                • alf says:

                  normies don’t get Demon Worship at all.

                  My experience is that they claim they don’t get it, but instinctively, they damn well do.

                  It’s like with gay acceptance — many men claim they accept gays, but I’ll bet you a bitcoin that when they see gays doing gay stuff, their disgust reflex kicks in.

                  With demon worship, same story. People tell themselves things like: ‘we’ve moved beyond good and evil, demons are a superstitious belief from the middle ages, yada yada’. But you show them a simple picture, like

                  and the demon recognition reflex kicks in.

                • Pax Imperialis says:

                  >My experience is that they claim they don’t get it, but instinctively, they damn well do.

                  Instinctively they understand but they are getting tripped up by the word Demon. Their minds go to popular TV series and books where demons are typically attractive looking men and women who are often the “misunderstood-good-guys.”

                  It’s a mental discontinuity for them that takes time to sort out.

                • alf says:

                  Obligatory transgression, shared crimes, and mutual blackmail as coordination mechanism, is the functional matter of demon worship.

                  I only now realize that Marina Abramovic’ performative art, in which the audience is coaxed into doing bad stuff, is really just an instructive workshop on demon worship.

                • alf says:

                  It’s a mental discontinuity for them that takes time to sort out.

                  Definitely. Ties into many Dark Enlightenment concepts, such as rejection of the enlightenment and embrace of religious morality. I learned not to overexplain it.

                • Red says:

                  I think a lot of what I’m seeing is people who just don’t want to see the Demons so they shutdown when I point them out. It’s almost like misbehavior with with Women and blacks, Normies just want to pretend it doesn’t exist.

                  I have a video of a faggot posting how he helped his female friend murder her unborn baby. The homo is obviously demon possessed.

                  https://twitter.com/Babygravy9/status/1603423386910195718

                  People won’t look at it. They refuse to see the evil.

            • jim says:

              > PF is creating a problem for the right. We know the Feds are building them up to be like Azov but there’s no clear counter to it. Lots of good and useful men will end joining them and then be used to evil ends.

              Ukrainian Nationalists are working for Jewish internationalist globalist plotters to kill as many white Ukrainians as possible. A disturbingly effective shill program.

            • The Cominator says:

              “PF is creating a problem for the right. We know the Feds are building them up to be like Azov but there’s no clear counter to it. Lots of good and useful men will end joining them and then be used to evil ends.”

              Don’t see many people on the right who think PF is anything but a glowop.

              State sponsored Nazism as a way of splitting the right… its hard to protect dumber rank and filers from defecting with this (normally with most forms of attacks its the midwits who are the problem) but not hard to protect smarter people.

              Perhaps one good thing with the US being spicified and negrofied is that state sponsored Nazi splitting propraganda will work less well.

              • Red says:

                Why wouldn’t people join PF if it’s got state backing? Happy families, brotherhood, etc? I’m sure there was a similar campaign for Azov before they started doing Demonic rituals.

                • The Cominator says:

                  If PF offered young tradwives that would be hard to resist but why would i want to be “brothers” with fedfags.

                • Red says:

                  It’s aimed at warriors, not you.

                • S says:

                  I don’t think it scales. The attraction is violence and Azov got to deploy violence against Russians and anyone associated with Russia.

                  Who does the Patriot Front get to beat up? Minorities are holy, if they wanted to beat up normal whites they’d have joined antifa and if they wanted to fight Russians, they’d already be in Ukraine.

                  The left has already shit up the US military- they can’t stop themselves from doing the same to a would be replacement.

                • Red says:

                  I don’t think it scales. The attraction is violence and Azov got to deploy violence against Russians and anyone associated with Russia.

                  Who does the Patriot Front get to beat up? Minorities are holy, if they wanted to beat up normal whites they’d have joined antifa and if they wanted to fight Russians, they’d already be in Ukraine.

                  Antifa, drug addicted whites, Christians, Russians etc. Azov is explicitly anti Jew but they lead and controlled by the Jews are not allowed to harm the Jews. So PF can hate niggers all they want but they’ll be given other targets the elites are fine with being attacked.

                • S says:

                  Antifa don’t show up if they don’t have police backing; they are a tool of the elite

                  White addicts don’t gather into large groups to target.

                  Attacking white Christians is Antifa.

                  Attacking Russians is already what people going to Ukraine do.

                  Azov offered violence in the form of shooting at Russians and engaging in street battles. There was an open niche due to the power vacuum. What is Patriot Front’s niche?

    • Mister Grumpus says:

      So Xi basically dared the Shanghai Gang to call the Covid deer a harmless deer, and not the terribly deadly horse that it “is”?

      Point deer make horse — the Emperor’s New Clothes for adults — is such a powerful pattern. I see it everywhere now.

  14. Pax Imperialis says:

    As per previous discussion on Debutante Balls, I wondered, who are still holding these events? I tripped into an Ukrainian rabbit hole from the Cold War.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lud3Ig3cjA

    The Ukrainian Medical Association of North America (UMANA) was incorporated as a professional organization in New York City in 1950 under the leadership of Roman Osinchuk, MD. He was a member of the 1941 Ukrainian National Council in Lviv. For many years he worked in the Board of Directors of the “Ukrainian Congressional Committee of America” and had ties with the World Congress of Free Ukrainians.

    UMANA is a founding constituent of the World Federation of Ukrainian Medical Associations (WFUMA), and pursues cooperative relationships with Ukrainian organizations in the United States and Canada.

    In an attempt to “open the doors“ to the West, the Ukrainian diaspora in the United States and Canada formed the World Federation of Ukrainian Medical Associations (WFUMA) in 1977 and later the WFUMA-Foundation.

    Looks like IC shenanigans.

  15. Kunning Drueger says:

    The Andrew Tate incident is knocking loose all sorts of stuff. So many grift-wingers gleefully trashing a guy who champions RPWQs and praising a disgusting little femcel parasite priest of the Gaia Cult. Less in the spotlight (for now), Tate’s purported conversion to Islam has apparently initiated a “imcel” movement (Islamic imcel loooool) which in turn has exposed a bunch of Muslim thought leaders as acolytes in the feminist cult, which is something we here already know: the Cathedral is capable of entrying any human institution.

    Reading a bunch of schlock I wish I could scrub from my brain, I was reminded of a very simple, very powerful truth: any leader with a loyal following can conquer the world if he can guarantee pussy to his lads. Can anyone refute this? It tracks with Jimian thought regarding the WQ, evopsych, and Perennialist historiography.

    This may be the 900 hits of LSD I just took, but I can’t shake the feeling that there is a mirror to IEW right now in, for lack of a better term, applied social sciences. By this I mean that if someone could combine BAP movement under an Andrew Tate professing Christianity with Jimian characteristics, they could basically conquer the world. I know it’s not that simple, but there isn’t a single country or culture that doesn’t have crowds of young men desperate to own a woman while faced with the prospect of dying alone and unnoticed in a world that doesn’t want them.

    Global inceldom is just sitting there like so much U-235, just waiting to be harvested, concentrated, and deployed.

    • Mister Grumpus says:

      You’re right. That’s all it would take. Even Richard Spencer, back in 2016, when asked what the alt right offered women, answered very directly: “Strong men”.

      The problems of course are shills, entryists and censorship. There are plenty of guys out here right now who are ready to die and can do the job, but we’ll never hear about them, at least not electronically. And if we do he’ll get scared off, sell out, and be replaced with an FBI informant.

      But Bitcoin did the impossible with money, and some other programming constructs can do the impossible with mass communication.

      • Mister Grumpus says:

        Don’t forget that women are both the product and the market. Principles, logic, truth, fairness, the scientific method, I am consistently shocked by how little fertile age women demonstrably care about any of these things. Even the smart ones. AWALT.

        Anyone who can market to the girls an extended team of guys who consistently outsmart/out-thump their enemies and keep their women in line with proud impunity, boom that’s it, ladies flock like bees to a hive. Their guts are out there searching right now, high and low, for that reproduction-conducive enforced-cooperate-cooperate environment, and their guts know in a second when they see it. They’ll make whatever lip-movements and vocal sounds are necessary to get in.

    • Fidelis says:

      The crypto end of crypto payment systems works. The material world end not yet so much. Very hard to offramp significant quantities into material goods. This may well be changing.

      The communications end of crypto payment systems doesn’t really exist. There’s lots of secure communication software, and theory as to how to anonymize the participants, but no one is putting it together in a way that not so technical people can utilize it. Maybe it will always be that way, that the cutting edge of information obfuscation remains in the hands of the technically competent.

      What I see as the biggest barrier to the emergence of this warrior mannerbund, is the lack of penetration of the shill test into the memesphere. This place is the only place I have seen successful application of shill tests, and while the site being owned by jim gives special considerations — unlike the rest of the public internet, the mod is not in fact a decayingcrotch child rapist trannoid — I know you can deploy basic shill tests successfully even in places without mod ban support. They disappear when pressed to answer hard questions.

      The shill test has to continue to be refined and has to be exported to the remaining smart fraction on our side. I don’t see another way. This world cannot be won by two man teams, but it can be won by a few dozen committed and cooperating men working as one.

      • Vendat Tunicam says:

        A number of Christians have begun using a “witch test” to some effect on Twitter. They tweet at the self-professed christian, “Say Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior” and wouldn’t you know it, most of these pastors and theologians can’t say it. Rarely will one say it after a lengthy and torturous back and forth with their interlocutor. It is like pulling teeth.

        Maybe we can start tweeting at self-professed red-blooded men, “Say she is bangable” and we attach a big-boobed post-andrenarche girl to the tweet. Call it the “bitch test”.

        • Red says:

          That witch test is right out of the test Jim came up with for finding demon worshipers:

          https://twitter.com/hashtag/WitchTest?src=hashtag_click

          Not a lot of hits, so hard to tell how widespread it is.

          • Red says:

            Though witch test is a really fucking stupid name for it.

            • Vendat Tunicam says:

              It’s short, mostly describes what it is and is simple to remember. What would you call it?

              • Red says:

                A witch test makes me think of Monty Python’s test to see if a witch floats in water or not. Jim calls it the Demon Worshiper’s test, though if you want to keep it simple call it the Satanist Test. They’re not dealing with witches, rather they’re dealing with Satanists pretending to be Christians.

    • Aidan says:

      I think it’s pretty clear from what happened to Tate that having a sort of public “cult leader” is not possible

      • The Cominator says:

        Tate is and was an alpha pimp, the problem with being a pimp and being a public Cathedral enemy is they just have to get a couple of women who worked for you to say you beat them and didn’t let them leave and then doing what pimps really do (have lots of girls in love with them and use them to make money doing prostitution or stuff which is close to prostitution until they get saturated and then some of the whores will runoff with clients generally with not much attempt from the pimp to stop them). Your business model does the rest

        BTW to further reinforce my sympathetic view of the character of whores compared to normie women they’ve actually had trouble getting any of Tate’s current and former whores to actually say that (and I’m sure they’ve been offered money maybe threatened) and it sounds like they brought in a fake girl CIA agent this time.

        • Red says:

          “BTW to further reinforce my sympathetic view of the character of whores compared to normie women they’ve actually had trouble getting any of Tate’s current and former whores to actually say that (and I’m sure they’ve been offered money maybe threatened) and it sounds like they brought in a fake girl CIA agent this time.”

          You’re mistaking Tate’s Alphaness and violence for the good behavior or whores. If Tate was only fucking virgin girls and treating them the same why he treats his whores he’d achieve the same effect(See Odysseus). Whores are currently low status which makes interactions with them better than interactions with the average high status woman. Lower a woman’s status or increase your status with her(IE potential and actual violence) and you’d find them more pleasant.

          The cathderal has been trying to make whoring high status for a while now with Onlyfans while still keeping prostitution illegal. If they succeed you’ll find whores to be just as much trouble as the average Americacunt.

          • The Cominator says:

            Women will normally dime people under pressure 90% of the time including their boyfriends, most criminal brotherhoods don’t tolerate women at anything but the lowest level specifically for this reason. Tate’s alphadom has something to do with it but there is a lot of evidence whores are a bit harder to turn states than normie women.

            Hugh Hefner was a much less violent pimp (still successful somehow) and certainly not ourguy but there was a point where some US attorney and the DEA were trying to railroad him for whatever reason and they found one of his girls who did have a drug problem and maxed out her charges… after being sentenced to 15 years in order to burn the DEA and the US attorney she went so far as to kill herself and defend Hefner in her suicide note.

      • Kunning Druegger says:

        Tate’s model was based on greed and the desire to rise (perfectly normal motivations) but along the way he swallowed some redpills and earned the desire to do more than drive fast cars and fuck young girls. We’ve discussed it before: to those without pussy, the idea of rivers of flesh seems appealing and the project of a lifetime. But once attained, only the rare few perverts are satisfied with it, and most men want something more. Your work, Aidan, is instrumental in my perspective that it is the deprivation of pathways toward chosen violence that have cucked the souls of the men of the West. The WQ is the most important Q, but the VQ is nearly as substantial for us.

        OK, Tate’s model left him exposed, and he doesn’t seem to have the right priests whispering in his ear. Let’s see how he deals with this warning shot from the Cathedral. BAP on the other hand… imagine BAP as Minister of Culture, Jim as High Tech Priest, and Tate as Warrior King. Not a perfect lineup, just a thought experiment. There are at least 3 men from here who I’d prefer to Tate, but who here has millions of digital followers, eh?

        Most of our analysis looks to the American elites for a Caesar, but maybe the frontier is a better source? DeSantis has promise in a lot of ways, but can anyone here see a GenX father of daughters speaking RPs on the WQ? Ditto for Musk, though it’s slightly more believable. Ironically, though he’s probably too old, Trump is absolutely a guy I could see speaking the redpill truth. Indeed, he actually did so a couple times, maybe pinkpills, but still.

        • alf says:

          Any would-be leader needs to treat Western society like the Clown world it is. Can’t fix the bullshit if you can’t see the bullshit. The anons get that. The namefags, less so.

          • notglowing says:

            Why are all the facefags seemingly so naive about the state of our society?

            Is it really the other way around, and only people who are deluded enough to think they will not be squashed by the system for going against it, are willing to attempt it, with their name on the line?

            Trump, Musk, Tate, have had similar problems. You can see it coming a mile away. I witnessed Tate basically taking over tiktok for months earlier this year, and I knew he would not get away with it.

            He knew he would face opposition, but underestimated it? Clearly he was ill prepared for what was to come. And Musk being turned into public enemy #1 for taking over twitter, Trump for becoming president.

            They weren’t ready for either issue. Would they have attempted anything had they foreseen the outcome?
            After all Jim doesn’t do anything visible outside of the internet, and neither do any of us.

            • Pax Imperialis says:

              Generational gap. People are adaptive, but not that adaptive.

            • The Cominator says:

              I don’t think Musk is unprepared… though I think he probably underestimated how embedded the FBI presence was at twitter.

              Tate I think is aware of his problems with the Cathedral (or the Matrix as he calls it now) now but did not anticipate them to the extent he should have or at least he would have limited his exposure to the pimping business (which makes you very exposed legally)…

              Trump… the reason I support DeSantis is he just seems to have a true boomer unwillingness to admit the corruption level. He thinks there are still only a few bad actors who are ruining everything…

        • Aidan says:

          Not sure it’s possible to be so influential while anonymous. And if a facefag, speaking the truth will just get you hit with some trumped up charge. Would need to run this sort of thing from Russia or China.

          • The Cominator says:

            Realistically Russia, though Tates conversion to Islam has me thinking that he thinks he can do it from Dubai and if hes a Muslim the government wont hand him over on a bs charge… i tend to think thats wrong.

  16. The Cominator says:

    https://www.classactionlawyers.com/fox?fbclid=IwAR3tw6tZDjJD7Opfdk9doYni3nrq9kaKddlg9bljKCpCOEiOogrYhEqF8ho

    Saw this scrolling thru fagbook.

    Lawfare launched against Rupert Murdoch for allowing minor deviations from the Cathedral controlled op line (ie Tucker and Gutfeld get to go off script on most things but not all things).

    • Kunning Drueger says:

      This reminds me of those “patent trolls” cases from back in the day. Dominion trying to make lemonade after becoming synonymous with “voter fraud.” I assume they’re just going to settle out of court.

      Here’s your link but shorter.

      https://archive.ph/yvR6k

      Kudos to classactionlawyersDOTcom for a simple fucking webpage.

  17. The Cominator says:

    Andrew Tate arrested in Romania (I think I know why he converted to Islam now). Now on one hand he kind of IS a pimp and a grifter in some ways, but that isn’t why he was arrested.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11583711/Andrew-Tates-luxury-villa-Romania-raided-police.html

    • Pax Imperialis says:

      He’s been having legal problems since April. Sending in a tactical team to arrest him only to hold him for 24 hours was excessive.

      • The Cominator says:

        What I find irritating is all these morons buying the pizza box story, as if Andrew Tate with his entourage in sportscars was a low profile guy and as if they couldnt trace his electronics.

        • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

          I am starting to think that Andrew Tate is glowing like Patriot Front. If he walks from this, it is a pretty good sign that someone is covering for him. The faction that realizes in needs manly men might have also realized that manly men will only fight if they have woman.

          • The Cominator says:

            Possible but unlikely, the conversion to Islam though kind of cringe makes me think that less likely too ie that hes trying to make friends with Gulf royals in order to get foreign protection…

          • notglowing says:

            Then why is he being arrested multiple times in the first place? What’s the big idea?

            Arresting your guy specifically, then releasing him because he’s your asset, what reason would they have to do this except to for some reason prove that he works for them?

            The only way this makes sense is if they are trying to turn him into a collaborator now, but why?

            • The Cominator says:

              Normally these fuckers who glow are easy to spot like Spencer… obvious bluepill leftist bullshit but they hate blacks for no reason or something but otherwise a total prog.

        • Red says:

          What I find irritating is all these morons buying the pizza box story, as if Andrew Tate with his entourage in sportscars was a low profile guy and as if they couldnt trace his electronics.

          It’s promoted to show the power of the that Swedish tard.

    • Anon says:

      This confirms that there is no “periphery of GAE”,where you can go and have relative freedom.
      The options are Russia, China and islam.
      Tate fall is due to his normality bias. He still thought that Eastern Europe is relatively outside clown world.
      Despite him saying in one of his talk ” first they warn you then they ban you then they off you”
      If he is lucky (and they didn’t epsteined him)he can pay massive amount of money then skip the country to the gulf.

      • Fidelis says:

        The point is not to go to the periphery and then wave your dick in everyone’s face daring them to get you. Of course that invites action.

        The reason you go to the periphery is that the channels of power and control and information collection are weaker. Not nonexistent, but weaker. If the Tornado dev was smart enough to stay pseudonymous and didn’t live in an entirely and long captured country, had lived even somewhere like Poland for that matter, still a captured state but less point and grab, just because the Poles are not masters of Ordnung, he wouldn’t be the guy picked to make an example of. They don’t have infinite resources, and the internet is manufacturing these guys in larger numbers than they have the means to suppress, have to means to smother in their nascency.

        Have a sense of asymmetrical strategy here. You cannot just wave your flag walking down main street and expect not to get fucking shot. In the periphery most people are not so brainfucked they will murder you themselves for refusing to cut your dick off, and even better most people hate the fucking cops too. You go to Romania to quietly work on innocuous seeming projects. Not run a huge marketing campaign to steal zoomer mindshare as a facefag.

  18. Profundity Enjoyer says:

    New Moldbug? With science?

    This is making the rounds on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BronskiJoseph/status/1607890740906176513?s=20&t=UMFGfhThW_fTY2X1GIAgWQ

    https://josephbronski.substack.com/p/against-status-feedback-loops-an

    Article is impressive. It includes some data purporting to show that Jewish opinion is less predictive of policy than white gentile opinion, and that this aligns with the demographics of the ruling class or “Patriciate” which is about 12% Jewish, as their IQ would predict.

    The central argument is “there exists a sovereign class, which I call the Patriciate, whose political desires determine the state of political culture. It consists of less than 10,000 people. Since this is the case, then a status game among >10% of the population cannot be the driver of political change. Rather, the driver is change in the composition of the Patriciate, whose behavior can be analyzed using the standard model from behavior genetics.”

    “The real meat of exousiology is revealing why the Patriciate exists. The Patriciate exists because of the Iron Law of Oligarchy (ILO), which has 5 tenets. The one I have investigated the most thus far is the one which states that most people lack political agency, which is the ability to effectively pursue one’s political best interests.

    When you understand political agency theory, the Patriciate running everything becomes a tautology. And when the Patriciate runs everything, there is no need for a positive feedback loop theory, particularly when Patriciate demographic change can explain the leftward shift. Furthermore, any such theory that is not restricted to the Patriciate is falsified.”

    Wow, this is so much better than Curtis Yarvin. This is like the 145 IQ Yarvin, Yarvin being about 125 IQ imo.

    • S says:

      “Now, jewishness was measured as religious jewishness,”

      The Ultra-Orthodox don’t determine American policy is not a shocking claim.

      “White gentile men are roughly 77% of Patricians. But this number has been decreasing. Instead of status games, this could serve as the reason why Cthulhu swims left. It certainly has Occam’s razor on its side.”

      Posted above this is a graph showing the composition change of CEOs; Women, black, asian, latino. The issue is it starts at 2000 when their sum total as less then 5%.

      Since leftism existed before 2000, the claim doesn’t work. You can try to fix it by claming inter-white replacement for the previous change, but this requires the Irish to be joining the elite in significant amounts prior to 1920s.

      They are also wrong about status. Status is your ranking in the pecking order. You can’t use ‘the elite set status’ as an answer because status determines the positions of elites relative to one another and individuals who have the power to change and set that are- by definition- higher status then those who do not.

      “Leftism is the end itself, and the incredibly rich elite use their power to make you tolerate it. “Tolerance.” This fits much better with the historical record, where feces art and exhibitionist crossdressing was always considered naturally disgusting, and virtue signalling was being against those things. ”

      This theory is mutually exclusive with the increase of non-whites males driving leftism. It fails to explain why degenerate elites don’t get rejected or outcompeted by non-degenerate elites. It requires leftism to be naturally attractive which he argues against.Leftism as a coordinated elite shitting on the proles doesn’t work because they don’t care what proles think.

      “Hanania is additionally guilty of reaching beyond what current knowledge permits. I say this, because exousiology is not even to the point where we can say with definitiveness what exactly is driving the increase of women in higher education and therefore the lines Hanania points to, or what is causing the increasing political divide in the US.”

      Why would men want access to attractive young women? A question for the ages!

    • jim says:

      Moldbug was smart.

      This guy is midwit.

      • Profundity Enjoyer says:

        I don’t think so, I don’t fully understand everything Bronski is claiming, the article is super dense. I’d say I’m 125-130 IQ. I’ve read Moldbug and while I see the appeal as propaganda, he’s basically just a sayer of things. I always assumed Moldbug fans are uniformly under 120 IQ. Moldbug himself seems like a wordcel, about on my level, he’s mostly just regurgitating mediocre books from 80 years ago in an obnoxious, catering way that appeals to 110 IQ people with poor attention spans. Hence his popularity — there’s a lot of stupid people, few people who probably really get the article I posted. I think someone should recommend to Bronski to water it down more if he wants to get as much attention as Moldbug.

        • zero says:

          Short attention span? I think moldbugs big thing was describing Washington politics in the 1920-50s accurately and exposing the power of strong horse week horse over historic narrative. Some of his podcasts where he gives nigger para militaries the propaganda varnish as if they were being written into American social studies books was impressive to me. He definitely understood npr as a propaganda coup to define America politically and write out the right from the equation. Altho he is hilariously a holocaust truther, holo-truther?

          • Red says:

            “Short attention span? ”

            CE is describing his own attention span. He reads a mitwit because he cant understand Moldbug.

            “I don’t think so, I don’t fully understand everything Bronski is claiming, the article is super dense.”

            I read the entire article and understood everything he had to say. The bit about nothing understanding status is a Midwit red flag. Typically people in the middle don’t understand what status is while people at the bottom of the IQ chart and people at the top both get it without needing to discus it. So he creates a system to define what status is and it doesn’t work.

            One of the hardest things I had to learn was that language sucks at describing reality, at best it’s an approximation. I’m an engineer by trade and I want everything to fit into a neat clean systems. Status is one of those concepts that doesn’t have a good approximate definition but we know it when we see it. We have the same issues with communicating about the mating dance, language cannot accurately describe it because it predates language. Best you can do is describe facets of it.

            • Profundity Enjoyer says:

              You seem to not get science lol

              You have to define things rigorously. It’s not okay to build a theory on an intuitive notion of something like “status.” That’s very midwit.

              I didn’t fully understand his statistical arguments but he’s right about “status.”

              • Red says:

                Science as in the scientific method produces truth. The sort of peer review science you’re pushing is the stuff that produces this:

                https://duckduckgo.com/?q=fake+peer+reviewed+papers&t=ffab&ia=web

                Peer review in itself keeps out people who don’t agree with the peers from publishing leading ideas that are not allowed never being published.

                For insistence during the early days of the US COVID vaccine rollout China had already published numerous papers showing that the spike protein did damage to the heart and circulatory system. American and European researchers found the same thing but none of them could get their papers published because the vaccines consisted of injecting trillions of spike proteins into your system. Finally one paper lied claiming that the spike protean in the vaccine wasn’t the same as the spike protean from the COVID virus and was published and from we learned that the vaccines cause heart damage. When people have to lie to get truth published, that isn’t science.

                Before 1945 the Science was the Scientific Method, IE replication. After 1945 it became Peer Review, IE Ivy League priests reviewing studies to judge it’s “correctness”. Replication soon died out. Since then Science been slowly declining its ability to produce accurate results.

                I know someone in the Material science field and they find every published paper useless. They are never able to replicate them when they try to apply them to actual problems. I’ve heard similar stories from many people in industry who’ve completely given up on trying to use peer reviewed published scientific studies to do actual production because 99% of the time they end up being garbage. They fund their own studies now because what’s published doesn’t fucking work.

                • Fireball says:

                  The papers publish from some places are getting so bad that the smart fraction of the first years are able to figure out that they are bullshit.

              • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                To be enamored by imposing edifices of artilection, which gives an feeling of intellectual rigor, of divining profound mysteries through the effort of thrawling through every detail of the creatus, irrespective of the felicity of it all in the end, is most certainly an archetypical midwit affection. Just smart enough to notice the questions, so that they can give wrong answers to them.

                One need only observe the soaring mountains of verbiage produced by 20th century marxianism to see this in action.

                • notglowing says:

                  This is why you are the best commenter on this blog

                • Red says:

                  Reading Pseudo-Chrysostom posts always reminds me of reading Feynman. Just an insane depth of knowledge and intellect. I wish he had his own blog.

                • Aidan says:

                  The great beauty and usefulness of English is in the depth and breadth of its body of diction. Sometimes a five-dolla-word is called for to communicate precise meaning. For this reason, English is the language of science and engineering. But if one’s writing is all five dollar words, it is almost certainly the case that he is not saying what he thinks he is saying.

                • Anonymous says:

                  @Aidan

                  The prestige of Cobbett’s excellent literary style has survived the persecution of his equally excellent opinions. But that style also is underrated through the loss of the real English tradition. More cautious schools have missed the fact that the very genius of the English tongue tends not only to vigour, but specially to violence. The Englishman of the leading articles is calm, moderate, and restrained; but then the Englishman of the leading articles is a Prussian. The mere English consonants are full of Cobbett. Dr. Johnson was our great man of letters when he said “stinks,” not when he said “putrefaction.” Take some common phrase like “raining cats and dogs,” and note not only the extravagance of imagery (though that is very Shakespearean), but a jagged energy in the very spelling. Say “chats” and “chiens” and it is not the same.

                  G. K. Chesterton

              • Pax Imperialis says:

                There are many things which can not be defined rigorously because they exist on a Gaussian blur. There is much ambiguity in nature. Moreover there are many things which should not be rigorously defined because to do so would involve such a long and detailed rule set such that it would not be practical as a definition. We are largely dependent on heuristics from the quantum level to the social level.

                Here’s a fun task, find a way ‘rigorousness’ can be defined rigorously in the scientific mathematical sense. Good luck.

                • Red says:

                  “We are largely dependent on heuristics from the quantum level to the social level.”

                  That’s a very good point.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  Creation is always larger than anything that can fit inside your head.

                • Adam says:

                  >Creation is always larger than anything that can fit inside your head.

                  So true, the only thing that can define creation is creation itself. Life is an endless adaptation to life.

                • notglowing says:

                  Something this reminds me of is the definition of “woman”, which is politically controversial now.

                  What I found most interesting though, is that the question “How do you define a woman?” has been used by both sides as an attack against the other, which is somewhat strange.

                  People on our side will ask troons how they can define women, with the premise being that they have made the term meaningless.

                  On the other hand the latter will also sometimes direct the question to our side, with the premise being that we cannot exactly define a woman without them being able to point out some bad faith contradiction, such as women born with deformities.

                  I said “the latter” but there seems to be a not always obvious split in the left between tranny supporters and the older, “gender critical” individuals who make the argument I just illustrated. I have met several who while seemingly against the idea of objective “genders” support trannies.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  >cannot exactly define a woman without them being able to point out some bad faith contradiction, such as women born with deformities.

                  The specters of the nominalist theologians, and their children, ‘The Enlightenment’, haunt the discourse to this day.

                  Beings of congenitally solipsistic temperament are eternally preoccupied with attempts to ‘universalize’ definitions of things, for in truth they are frustrated by inability to conceive of the matter of any conception in the first place. No one thing appears of any greater import than any other other thing – no one thing appears meaningfully distinct from any other thing. A ‘universal’ justice disguising an absence of justice; a ‘universal’ reason disguising an absence of reason; a ‘universal’ love disguising an absence of love.

                  His ultimate desire is for a System, that can do all the thinking *for* him. A formula, an algorithm, a roadmap, whereby he may ‘naively’ place inputs and receive outputs, without dependence on the frailties of his own cogitation. But that which could contain all of Being within itself is itself already beyond Being itself. And so such is the irony; those beings most desirous of a philosophical crutch, and who in similar kind are most attracted to such fields, in hopes of a palliation for the chronic niggling sense of bewilderment they face going through life, are also those *least qualified* to provide such – whose ideographic effluvient are most disastrously caustic to the felicity of such spheres.

                  Any given action – including any given speech act – is an implicit expression of value; the eventuality of doing one thing in the stead of any other thing a necessary demonstration of discrimination.

                  Any given value is an implicit teleology; a given state of affairs which through observation of the value would inevitably be brought about.

                  A Sign is a seed that has not yet bloomed into meaning; they hold no more intelligibility than any other thing to that which lacks any waters of imagination, whereby hence they sprout into shoots of Qualia. Only that which can form worlds, teleologion, in of itself, can follow the arrows to a destination, can travel the second half way to an end. Such is the chief quality that distinguishes dasein from any other kind of being.

                • Aidan says:

                  Things are defined teleologically. What is the difference between a bush and a tree? A bush blocks one’s sight of the near, a tree does not. It is an important distinction for hunting and war, which is why we have two separate words for closely related wood-stemmed leafy plants.

                • notglowing says:

                  >Things are defined teleologically. What is the difference between a bush and a tree?

                  Not false, but a dangerous counterargument. After all the person arguing against the existence of an objective definition of “man” and “woman” thinks the same way, but believes in the reverse process.

                  When leftists say you cannot define x, or y is socially constructed, what they actually, really mean is that they want to have the power to define x and change y; If it’s not objectively definable, and if it’s just some creation of man, then they should have the power to modify it for the purpose they see fit.

                  What needs to be remembered is that although we do construct language, and define words based on our need to use them, the concepts behind these words and the origins of our needs are in the real world, they are real, objective, independent of our existence.
                  Language *must* derive from reality, even if it cannot fully comprehend it.

                  And there is such a thing as *wrong* language, because it can be defined to make stating the truth impossible. Like “homophobia” makes disgust for homosexuality inexpressible. It is very much like in 1984.

              • jim says:

                > You seem to not get science lol

                I don’t think you are a shill, but you are a midwit well out of your depth. Be mindful of the Dunning-Kruger effect, or I am going to put you on moderation.

              • Neofugue says:

                >Profundity Enjoyer

                You know you can take a guy seriously when he calls himself Profundity Enjoyer, especially considering his “shill test” involves solving an extremely difficult 11th grade math problem. 🙃

                • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

                  Extremely difficult? It is a power rule integral. I can do that shit in my head. Anyone who made it to the second week of integral calculus can probably do that, too. What would be an actual shill IQ test would be to put that equation in context and force someone to actually use their brain.

                • Neofugue says:

                  Sarcasm emoji – 🙃

          • Profundity Enjoyer says:

            Meh, I’ve read pretty all of his blog posts and all if it is basically “big if true” stuff. Some of his ideas are common sense that I guess he packaged in a way suitable for low IQ types who never understood it before (the victor writes the history, etc), some of his ideas are almost certainly wrong (ultra-Calvinist hypothesis, professor sovereignty), none of it is rigorous. Really not impressive, again, it’s clear he quit working with his gambling money he won off of the dot com bubble, read a few dozen books (couldn’t even do it in his free time lol), and then regurgitated them uncritically for 3 years, laying down most of the core ideas in the first 3-6 months and repeating them ad nauseam for the remaining 2.5 years.

            • Profundity Enjoyer says:

              Moldbug fans are people who needed old ideas laid out in books 80 years ago spoonfed to them by a mommy bird with plenty of funny digressions mixed in to make it palatable. It’s really quite pathetic once you understand this lol

              • jim says:

                You are just a midwit suffering from Dunning Krueger effect.

                In which case you are too short for this ride.

                • Red says:

                  Are we starting to get a new sort of shill or is this just Joseph Bronski shilling his crap here under another assumed name? The original link that started this thread only had 1k views. I doubt it was spreading around twitter.

                • Profundity Enjoyer says:

                  [*Deleted for Kunning Druger effect.*]

                • Kunning Drueger says:

                  He’s not one of my tribe lol. Midwit Mafia knows their limitations and seeks to be supportive, edifying, humorous, and informative to our inferiors, peers, and superiors.

                  Red, that Bronski guy seemed seriously pathetic. His takedowns we’re genuinely interesting, but the pathetic “why not have I moar fans?” bullshit was just embarrassing. That was a script he wrote out and then recorded them posted. Sad!

                  Protuberance Engulfer seems like a jealous kike, and I think you are dead on, it’s Bronski trying to swim in waters too deep.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  Shilling one’s stuff is fine as long as it’s topical, you’re open about it, and not poisoned with the hubris that precludes profitable social interaction.

              • pinochet's ghost says:

                Reading old i.e. suppressed books is not an easy or obvious thing to do before someone calls them to your attention.

                Moldbug was just the smartest of the first people to have all three of youth, time, and access to a massive internet archive of every book.

                In your first post you say his ideas are “big if true” and in your second you say they are obvious.

              • Javier says:

                Admit it, you’re this “Bronski” guy. Tell you what, I hearby proclaim you the new thought leader of NRx. Congrats!

                (fyi a smart person wouldn’t name their grand unifying theory with a garbled nonsense word like ‘excusiology’ or whatever.)

            • Red says:

              How exactly can you be rigorous in the modern sense of peer review and data when peer review is producing fake study after fake study and modern data is mostly been “corrected” for political purposes?

              History has been one long string of ever changing lies my entire life. The farther you go back to primary sources the more accurate the take is, which is exactly what Moldbug did.

        • The Cominator says:

          Your Bronski article DOES have some value in laying out the oligarchies structure (and reinforcing for normies that it does exist) but youre overstating it…

          • Red says:

            Are the oligarchs the CEOs or the owners the corporations? The CEO’s are generally the Harvard trained crew, IE the Cathedral, besides with Elon’s companies. The actual owners end up more like Bill Gates handing over their protection money and begging on their bellies for some priestly status. I wouldn’t call them Oligarchs.

            He also failed to note the intelligence agents(“EX” FBI/CIA,etc) embedded in every major corporation. We have a structure that looks a lot more like Nazi Germany’s “corporations” where the inner party/deep state had people at every corporation semi controlling them. The talk of the 1% just smacks of leftist tropes.

            • The Cominator says:

              Big corporation CEOs absent ownership stakes are high level managers put there with the blessing of the priesthood, so at least on the outer ring of the oligarchy.

            • Bill says:

              Check out who sits on the boards of all these corporations. You’re going to find lots of elites in there.

            • Bill says:

              The CEO’s are generally the Harvard trained crew

              Harvard/Ivey is overrated as being what determines who and who isn’t the ruling elite. Probably comes from Moldbug getting into Brown thinking he’s some sort of elite even though he grew up poor and has achieved nothing in his life.

              Plenty of non-elites go to Ivey schools nowadays, particularly the non-whites and vice-versa.

              Elite-status is determined well before then in the K-9 private prep schools. Check out where Bush and Biden send their grandchildren. Tuition tends to be 30-40k or so for the elite high schools.

              • Bill says:

                K-12*

              • Aidan says:

                Going to those prep schools does not make one elite. The elite send their kids to expensive schools because their kids getting beaten up by niggers would lower their status. Obama is elite because he is the illegitimate son of a very holy communist priest. It is just dynastic politics in a theocracy.

              • pinochet's ghost says:

                [*deleted for rectification of names*]

                • jim says:

                  You do not know what a bagman is, or are, more likely, deliberately poisoning terminology to prevent people from talking about corruption and bribery as it is customarily performed in the US.

                • Red says:

                  “The elites of that era have been largely cast down, and in their place, a teaming mass of managerial midwits stands.”

                  We’re starting drop below the midwit range. I deal with new mangers who are in 95-105IQ at best. There’s a bunch of oldsters hanging on who are midwit and above, but they’re starting to go.

                  They’re still Elite as long as they wield power. Wielding Power’s kind of the key when thinking about elites. When they stop wielding power they stop being elite.

                • pinochet's ghost says:

                  [*deleted for rectification of names*]

                • jim says:

                  A bagman is a “””consultant”””. He is not power, he is not the recipient of bribes. Rather he is a courtier to power. He transmits bribes from the party being shaken down, to the judge, bureaucrat, or politician taking the bribe.

                  The party being shaken down pays the “””consultant””” a fee to write words that the officer of the state will find mysteriously persuasive, but the consultant spends most of his time with the officer of the state arranging nice stuff for him.

                • pinochet's ghost says:

                  [*deleted for rectification of names*]

              • Pax Imperialis says:

                >thinking he’s some sort of elite even though he grew up poor

                He grew up as the son of a Foreign Service family. That’s not poor, that’s pretty comfortable. I don’t know the exact amount paid out in the 70s, but I can tell you a GS10 (pretty mid level) today would be paid around ~60,000 base plus ~20,000 locality pay plus ~35,000 untaxed overseas pay (if you’re a lucky bastard and get stationed in Korea/Japan it’s ~45,000) plus around ~40,000 in benefits. Total comp is 155,000. Not including hazard pay if you’re unlucky to be sent to Iraq or something. I’m pretty sure Herb Yarvin advanced pretty quickly and was around GS13-GS15 most of his career so total comp would have been higher. In today’s money around high 100k to low 200k. Not bad for a being just a government man.

                >has achieved nothing in his life.

                In 1985, Yarvin returned to the US and entered Johns Hopkins’ longitudinal Study of Mathematically Precocious Youth. He graduated from Brown University in 1992, then was a graduate student of a computer science PhD program at UC Berkeley, before dropping out after a year and a half to join a tech company. In 2002, Yarvin founded the Urbit computer platform as a decentralized network of personal servers. In 2013 he co-founded the San Francisco-based company Tlön Corp to build out Urbit further with funding from Peter Thiel’s venture capital arm, the Founders Fund.

                All of these things are HARD. He went from joining a tech company to making a tech company within 9 years. Have you done that?

                >Elite-status is determined well before then in the K-12 private prep schools.

                You could say elite status is determined at birth. You’re majorly wrong about the private prep school aspect being a sole aspect. That’s mostly an East Coast/New England thing. Harvard sources many of its students from “public” schools in the West and the South. In order to segregate your kids from the lower classes in the densely packed New England area you have to send them to private schools. In the rest of the country you simply move to a higher income neighborhood that has a “public” school that coincidentally only has the children of doctors, lawyers, engineers, fundies, etc.

                • Bill says:

                  That’s mostly an East Coast/New England thing. Harvard sources many of its students from “public” schools in the West and the South.

                  It’s mainly an East Coast/New England and California thing because that is where the elite come from by and large (although the Bush family sends their children to Texas private schools).

                  Elites are not sending their children to public schools, no matter how good those public schools are. It is the defining marker of aristocratic children.

                  With few exceptions, Harvard students who don’t have a private prep school background aren’t aristocratic and aren’t elite. They are just filling the diversity quota.

                • Bill says:

                  [*deleted for presupposing facts not in evidence, as if everyone already knew and admitted those claims*]

                • jim says:

                  Your claims might well be true, I have no idea. But they have to be made explicitly as claims, and if, as is likely, challenged, you have to present evidence and argument, rather than presupposing them as stuff everyone knows.

                • Pax Imperialis says:

                  >Elites are not sending their children to public schools

                  You’re not getting it. Those “public” schools are not public schools. I went to a “public” school and I was friends with a number of guys who went on to Ivy League schools. They were not diversity quota. They were mostly White with a few East Asians. The quota system was working against them. Nearly all of them came from elite backgrounds. I even knew a Jewish kid who only got into Princeton via nepotism; his family was open about it. Many even had yearly summer vacations in Europe. Much of my foreign language class even went to Europe over the summer. My “public” school had all of the traditional WASP athletic teams composed of almost 100% white kids in an area is less than 40% White alone in the under 18 demographic. Does this sound like a public school to you?

                  63 percent of Harvard students come from public schools. When you look into those public schools you’ll find many of them are functionally private schools.

                • Bill says:

                  How many homes did the families at your school own? Where was their summer home? Where did they store their yachts? Were the girls being shown at Debutante Balls?

                  Sorry chap but you and your friends sound upper-middle class sure, but not elite.

                  Elites are not being caught dead sending their kids to public school with the masses, even the highly rated magnet schools. It’s the act of paying large sums of money for their kids’ education that makes them exclusive. It’s a small club.

                • jim says:

                  Two homes, one rather nice, one rather modest, one quite small yacht.

                • Neofugue says:

                  Moldbug is a typical Westchester NY half-Jew, Jewish on his father’s side and White Protestant on his mother’s side.

                  When speaking of most of the United States, Bill is correct that an elite parent would never send his child to public school.

                  However, when speaking of certain areas along the East Coast, in particular the greater New York area, Pax is correct. Certain towns have school taxes averaging upwards of $20-30,000/year with teachers making well over $200,000 not including benefits. I went to private school in [x], but my friend in [y] went to public school despite having a home three times more expensive than my childhood home.

                • Neofugue says:

                  > How many homes did the families at your school own? Where was their summer home? Where did they store their yachts?

                  Would love to answer this question in detail, but I would prefer not to dox myself, thank you. Might as well ask which country clubs they belonged to.

                • Bill says:

                  Moldbug went to public high school with lots of low-class blacks in Maryland. That’s not a claim. He admits this in several podcasts. Smart guy but hardly an elite background, even though he wishes himself to be an aristocrat in his own mind.

                • Pax Imperialis says:

                  First you say Yarvin came from a poor background and achieved nothing which is demonstrably false. Then you claim that none of the elites came from public schools and that too is easily dismissed via statistics. Say around 30% are diversity based on the Black, Hispanic, and Native Indian population at Harvard and assuming none of them are qualified, that means the elites are equally likely to come from a public or private school.

                  Now you’re quibbling over whether upper middle class is elite. Do you not get that upper middle class is just a euphemism for lower class elite? It’s just constant goal post moving. This is stupid.

                  >How many homes did the families at your school own? Where was their summer home? Where did they store their yachts?

                  Uncouth to ask.

                  >public school with the masses, even the highly rated magnet schools.

                  What don’t you get about “public” not actually being public? Magnet schools are not elite by nature of belonging to a wider public school district. There are “public” schools which are better that magnet schools.

                  >It’s the act of paying large sums of money for their kids’ education that makes them exclusive.

                  Property taxes on that multi-million dollar home are the tuition payments. When the entire neighborhood is of similar real estate price and the school district only covers and caters to said neighborhood, you get a rather exclusive school. Heck, one of my substitute teachers was a retired GS15 State Department rat.

                  >Were the girls being shown at Debutante Balls?

                  Oh no! I didn’t grow up with a mostly dead and highly regional WASP tradition of my grandfather’s era. Those parties were there as a reward for learning manners and to show off the kids. If you haven’t noticed the elites of today are mostly crass, disgusting, and obscene. They don’t learn manners and so the Balls have fallen out of favor because the inherent debauchery would lead to a shit show.

                  Some really niche Balls are still around for the West Point cadets, but I guess you’ll just argue that elite military academy isn’t elite.

                • Pax Imperialis says:

                  @Neofugue

                  >certain areas along the East Coast, in particular the greater New York area, Pax is correct. […]

                  That method of doing things spread a lot more than most people realize. It’s an excellent way of keeping certain people out without attracting the eye of DC. WW2/Korea/Vietnam/Cold War is also responsible due to it transplanting the traditional WASP military elites all over the US.

                  It’s why I’m not freezing my ass off in New England (great granddad’s original home) and also how I’m mixed race.

                  I’m now wondering if the relocation and scattering of the old WASP families is what killed off their political dominance. Hard to coordinated due to geographical distance which turned into social and cultural distance.

                • Bill says:

                  Oh no! I didn’t grow up with a mostly dead and highly regional WASP tradition of my grandfather’s era

                  Obviously you are not elite or even close to elite, otherwise you would know debutante balls have not fallen out of favor.

                  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/13/nyregion/debutante-ball-nyc.html

                  https://www.insider.com/inside-le-bal-des-debutantes-attended-by-stars-and-royals-2022-12#the-debutantes-are-given-a-glimpse-of-how-their-makeup-will-look-on-the-evening-of-the-ball-4

                  https://www.internationaldebutanteball.org/

                  First you say Yarvin came from a poor background and achieved nothing which is demonstrably false. Then you claim that none of the elites came from public schools and that too is easily dismissed via statistics.

                  For some reason my comment on Curtis Y get censored. I’ve stated multiple times he went to public school with with low class blacks in MD. Hardly an aristocratic background even if he’s elite in his own mind.

                  My claim is merely getting into Ivy League/Harvard does NOT make one elite as much as Yarvin would like to think it does.

                  Being networked into the circle of aristocrats and elites at a young age via your family, social, and educational background, which surely includes private prep schools, does.

                • jim says:

                  I censored some of your comments for illegitimate forms of argument – you were arguing the way a shill argues.

                • Pax Imperialis says:

                  >otherwise you would know debutante balls have not fallen out of favor

                  Funny you say that because your links are evidence of what I said, that they are “a mostly dead and highly regional WASP tradition.”

                  From NYT:

                  The least-expensive ticket cost $1,100. Tables for 10 to 12 were priced as high as $25,000.

                  Oh my God, so fucking elite anyone could afford it.

                  The organizers said they were limited to 14 couples […] That is about half the number that attended when the ball was held at the Waldorf Astoria

                  Hilarious, 28 couples.

                  The International Debutante Ball, held every other December, has been the event at which generations of debutantes were presented — Astors, Vanderbilts, Rockefellers, princesses, daughters of presidents.

                  Do you realize they had to go international because domestic attendance died out? Also that’s a lot of old money that’s no longer in the decision making process.

                  And read the comments, they are golden.

                  I didn’t drop more than 1,500 on everything leading up to the event (I almost never go on vacation, I don’t spend a lot going out because I’m pretty much a homebody, idk you can argue that it’s a lot if you want to)

                  femcel shut in attended… SO ELITE. My parents easily spent that kind of money on me every week to fly me all over America for my extracurricular activities, and yes I did rub shoulders with the NY debutante sorts.

                  The after-parties each night were some of the most debaucherous events I have ever attended. We joked that the debutante balls were simply a way for the elite to have the kind of drunken and promiscuous experiences that normal college girls did without the negative stigma.

                  Ah yes, remember what I said about the debauchery. Why bother with Balls when it’s already provided by university.

                  Obviously do not understand the elites. Understandable because the elites have hidden their status and behaviors out of shame to such a degree you can no longer recognize it. You can’t even recognize Yarvin as being one of the elites even though everything about him screams elite to those in the know.

                • Bill says:

                  [*deleted*]

                • jim says:

                  You are telling us crap about our elite that comes from your script, not anecdotal knowledge and experience.

                • Kunning Drueger says:

                  Fascinating interplay here lads. Time to take a backseat Bill, arguing from evidence is good, but don’t presume that the things you read suddenly empower you to tell things to those that live in the reality that was being analyzed.

                  This exchange regarding elites brought two things to mind: we use the term Elite a lot, indeed we need to, but I am starting to think it’s poorly defined, as we all seem to “know it when we see it” yet seem to see different things AND the great project of the Frankfurt School has been realized comrades! The elites of that era have been largely cast down, and in their place, a teaming mass of managerial midwits stands.

                  To my mind, civil service brats re the children of elites. Their parents pull all the levers that matter. The elites of the US are just faggots, wonks, and journalists with good enough facial symmetry. I know there are still high powered, unimaginably wealthy people out there, but they are forced to contend with people who, a generation or three ago, they wouldn’t have even taken note of in passing.

                • Pax Imperialis says:

                  >I am starting to think it’s poorly defined

                  This isn’t a problem of poor definition.

                  Swap out elite for noble and it clarifies a great deal. A Baron is clearly a noble. So too is a Viscount, Earl, Marquess, and a Duke. To play a game of comparing relative nobleness of a Baron to a Viscount in an attempt to negate the Baron’s status as a noble is a pigheaded wilful blindness to the fact that the Baron wields real power of the nobility at large.

                  Because our nobles are unformalized and unstructured, such games are played ad infinitum. Worse, the relative nobleness is in constant flux making yesterdays comparison games “proof” that those obvious nobles are “not actually nobles.” Thus we act like a dog chasing its own tail trying to define something which was never formally defined in the first place.

                  Now if you think that’s bad, imagine this from the perspective of a King trying to manage his lands with no clear command structure on a 4 year clock. Good luck!

                • Bill says:

                  Time to take a backseat Bill, arguing from evidence is good

                  Evidence: Lauren Bush
                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Bush

                  Lauren Bush is the granddaughter of George HW Bush and niece GW Bush and Jeb Bush. You’d be hard pressed to find a better example of what a modern day aristocratic woman is in the US.

                  Attended an exclusive private prep school in Texas (Kinkaid School) before finishing at Princeton (Ivy League schools are nothing more than a sometimes finishing school for elite children).

                  She was presented at the le Bal des débutantes in 2000. Married David Lauren (son of Ralph Lauren) and has 3 kids.

                  These are the typical lives of the contemporary ruling elite class, and Lauren Bush is just one example. My argument and claim is that if you and those in your social circle do not have similar upbringings, you’re not elite.

                  I’m sure those who are butt hurt about this will come up with all kinds of creative ways for why that’s not the case.

                • jim says:

                  Lauren Bush has no power and no real connections to anyone that does have power. She is a good example of the elite that held power in 1950.

                  The story you are telling us is seventy years out of date, just as “Rothschilds Rothschilds Rothschilds” is ninety years out of date.

                  The elite merely go to expensive private schools as a way of staying away from blacks, and the capability to stay away from blacks does not make you elite. Pretty sure that just about everyone here has managed to stay away from blacks.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  >I’m now wondering if the relocation and scattering of the old WASP families is what killed off their political dominance. Hard to coordinated due to geographical distance which turned into social and cultural distance.

                  Absolutely a factor. The whig theocracy worked hard to atomize its targets from their kinsmen across time and space, and worked especially hard to atomize the military; constantly rotating cadre and deployments from unit to unit place to place, to ensure that no body can begin building up real assabiyah.

                • Pax Imperialis says:

                  >Evidence: Lauren Bush

                  Cherry picking much? It wasn’t even good picking when you consider the event she went to.

                  >These are the typical lives of the contemporary ruling elite class
                  >My argument and claim is that if you and those in your social circle do not have similar upbringings

                  Can you tell me why le Bal des Débutantes was revived in 1992? If it is typical of the ruling elite why was it dead prior to 92; did we simply not have an elite prior to 92? Why are the majority of participants distant descendants of deposed continental European aristocrats? Are you going to argue that the ruling elites are mostly distant descendants of deposed continental European aristocrats and not Americans?

                  Why did Lauren Bush have to go to an international event rather than a domestic one like the old WASP families did in the early 20th century?

                  You’re argument is built on a false idea of what the elites are like. You fail to recognize that the American elite is a huge group of disparate groups that share little in common. You have completely fixated on the practices of a nearly extinct culture. 100 years ago such balls occurred in every major American city and had attendances in the hundreds. Even the most exclusive one at Waldorf-Astoria regularly debuted around 100 couples. Today such events are almost entirely international in both hosting and attendance yet only manage to debut around 20 couples.

                  Here’s an interesting quote from the organizer Ophélie Renouard:

                  “They are not interested in finding a husband, they are too young, what they prefer is the dress, because even if they are privileged they have never been to a haute couture house.”

                  This isn’t a debutante ball, it’s a fashion show play acting as something from the distant past. It’s an example why such balls became a mostly dead practice. They lost their utility for matchmaking.

                  I found one of the few American debutante balls left.

                  In 1999, 19-year-old Princeton University student Ellie Kemper participated in the century-old tradition and was crowned as the queen of love and beauty in the debutante ball hosted by the Veiled Prophet Organization — a secretive and exclusive society run for decades by wealthy White families.

                  After photos of the ceremony surfaced last week, prompting a backlash, the “Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt” actress offered a public apology on Monday in a statement posted to her Instagram account.

                  She said that when she participated, she was unaware of the organization’s “unquestionably racist, sexist and elitist past,” but she conceded that “ignorance is no excuse” and that she should have educated herself before getting involved.

                  If debutante balls are a practice of the ruling class, why did she have to publicly confess to the modern sins of racism and sexism for attending?

                • pinochet's ghost says:

                  Yarvin was plainly motivated in part or maybe entirely by the feeling that his qualities did not win him the social status he deserved.

                  He also autistically dropped out of a phd for autistically insisting that some useful research be done on a rational basis rather than serving his advisor’s political interests in exchange for promotions organized by the advisor and his academic allies.

                  Given what he did since, he has made his point that the elite should have bought him off but it’s too dumb to identify people like that ahead of time.

                  IMO it has subsequently bought him off.

                • The Cominator says:

                  If you’re mentioning the Bush’s as an elite family (and they are) it shows that some elites do send their kids to public schools at least sometimes. Dubya went to public schools until High School.

    • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

      First of all, IQ is formally a derived statistic, when not spoken of in the colloquial sense as simply a synonym for ‘brain power’. It is using a formulaic operation to re-present a given dataset in a different way. You could use any kind of test you like on any given set you like and derive an ‘Intelligence Quotient’ from it.

      Secondly, the derivative is relative to the dataset in question. The same test with nominally the same quotient will mean different things when applied to different sets; eg, a 100 in say Mombasa will be different from a 100 in say Bavaria, because the ‘average character’ of each of these sets would be different. There is a remarkable lack of care or conscientiousness or even apparent understanding on this matter in ‘The Literature’ when it comes to comparing quotient numbers from different test populations – when they not not deliberately confabulating them, of course. The LAC video that you got triggered by goes over this in part (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZFApIBGQAg). The classic jive, commonly used by chinks, pajeets, and kikes alike, is to make a dataset out of hoi-polloi in target populations, and a select demographic in the personally identified with population, to produce flattering results.

      Thirdly, going back to the first point, amongst various cognitive tests popularly used for psychometrics, most of these involve a range of different sub-tests, which are then interpretively weighted and collated by whatever the effector’s favored method is; such that, even within a given set, two characters with a nominally identical derived quotient can still have significantly different profiles of characteristics.

      To wit, amongst such popular test ranges and methods of weighting them (eg, https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/09/21/blacks-and-whites-with-the-same-iq-still-differ-a-lot/), there is a endemic trend of high weight associated with operations of trivia. That is, tasks involving memorization, such as chess, recital of music, grammatology, and so on.

      There are a number of reasons for this. One, and perhaps the most intransigent one, is the fact that the easiest things to measure are oft also the most trivial. Another, more contingent factor can be the fact that someone making a test will naturally tend to make it so that it selects for people like themselves, at a minimum – to say nothing of more ideologically motivated precii.

      Take note of how, in the above example, the sub-test scores of sub-saharans with nominally similar quotients to europoids in the same test population, are heavily weighted to tasks like coding (matching different symbols to each other), and digit span (being presented with a string of symbols and repeating them back). It is interesting to note how the cognitive profile of the kinds of bantus who happen to score highly on this kind of test, bears a remarkable similarity to the cognitive profile of khazarians in general. Calculative but nominalistic wordceldom, low world-formation capacity, lacking in fruits of real (in the etymological sense of the word) genius; a good enough profile adapted to the task of a parasite hacking into larger scale (and thus less personal) social organisms, but not good for much else.

      Every test measures something – and what those somethings are may not necessarily be what the effector intends them to be. Selection filters through which some things may pass, and others may not. Operating envelopes, which are more adaptive in some contexts, and less in others. Possibility spaces, in which some things are much more adaptive, and others not so much.

    • Anonymous says:

      Moldbug gets credit for being first.

      • Profundity Enjoyer says:

        Like Paracelsus in chemistry and Democritus in quantum mechanics.

      • Profundity Enjoyer says:

        Wait, I take that back, Machiavelli was first, followed by Mosca, Michels, Pareto, Jouvenel, Burnham, and others. Moldbug is just a repackager of those guys, he’s not first on anything.

        • Anonymous says:

          Fair, but you are explicitly calling Joseph Bronski the “New Moldbug” while not downgrading him for that as much as you are downgrading Moldbug.

  19. Cloudswrest says:

    Voxday links to an interesting essay on supporting Musk here:

    https://cosmonaut.substack.com/p/a-split-the-regime?publication_id=444802&isFreemail=true

    Also I read today that Starlink is now servicing “around 100 receivers in Iran”.
    https://www.reuters.com/technology/elon-musk-says-around-100-starlinks-now-active-iran-2022-12-26/

    First Ukraine, now Iran. He’s going to get himself killed one of these days.

  20. Pete says:

    Thoughts on the guys shooting up power stations in WA? Disgruntled right-wing whites finally – FINALLY – using their guns, or false flag to justify more government crackdowns?

    • The Cominator says:

      Almost certainly the latter. If not the latter its more likely to be radical greens without Cathedral support doing it than right wingers.

    • jim says:

      I think it is the real thing.

      • zero says:

        Agree, they aren’t making any fuss about it and it was to competent an operation for greenies. Altho there is always the possibility it had nothing to do with what we are aware of, it sounds like concord beta. And we can project an increase in activities outside the permitted zeitgeist. If it was a false flag there would be the j6 news puke nonstop. Instead crickets and most normie cons haven’t heard anything more then a rumour they vaguely remember a while ago.

      • Red says:

        The last attack in WA only knocked out rural power according to the news but they could be lying. Washington state if full of leftist vermin who specialize in vandalism and harming a rural area would be up their ally. I’m pretty sure they started the forest fires fires a few years ago that fucked up rural areas in the Pacific Northwest after they got run out of some small towns when they tried to bring the BLM riots to them.

        I’m still on the fence about it being a false flag with leftists or pissed off Americaaners. Chaos seems to be increasing.

        • Kunning Drueger says:

          It could be a proof of concept, or newly radicalized guys dipping their toes in the waters of operationalizing the distinction. I disagree with TC on this one. I think CritInfra attacks are far more effective than mass minecraft attacks.

          If it keeps happening and keeps getting ignored/memory holed, is it safe to assume that It Has Begun?

          Something to consider: knocking out power in rural area is very different than hitting suburban or urban areas. The former is far more resilient and the latter is quite fragile across many sectors. The societal semi-collapse in Buffalo is illustrative; suspend the expectation or possibility of standard enforcement, and the niggers start stealing everything. The National Guard mobilized to Buffalo we’re not sent to shovel sidewalks and dig out corpses, they were sent to protect the nogs from Arab/merchant reprisals. If the power starts going out in areas where good men pushed too far for too long might start paying house calls to… well, there are always those who act with impunity when they expect to get away with anything. If it turns out that LEO is too busy securing the main street and hospital to respond to attacks on sodomites, lobbyists, and Coronatarian priestesses, who knows what might happen in the Rural Dark. A night of a thousand browns out, ah haha.

      • The Cominator says:

        Why would any right winger ever hit a rural power station, if it were NYC, DC, LA San Fragcisco or Atlanta i might buy it but because of the choice of target i dont.

        • Kunning Druegger says:

          I can think of quite a few, but I am hesitant to lay them out specifically. Lots of different kinds of people live in lots of different kinds of places. In some places, LEO resources are very thin on the ground due to geography, density, and baseline conduct and expectations of civility. It is not hard to have situations develop organically wherein there are simply no resources available to “send help” no matter how culturally deserving the “victims” might be.

          Think of it like an immune system response like a fever. The body attacks everything in the hope that the important stuff will survive.

          • The Cominator says:

            This answers nothing, the left doesnt want power in rural areas and targetting rural power stations for right wingers is fucking stupid and pointless and counterproductive and i would want any “right wingers” doing so to be executed. Proper violence sends high ranking leftists to hell…

        • Wolf says:

          Because they know the area and it’s easier to escape detection? Could be a lashing out, hijinks, or practice. Doesn’t appear to be political cause there were no demands or message.

        • Adam says:

          Doesn’t seem like what a rightist would do. Seems more like an extension of all the farms that burned down.

  21. Red says:

    https://gab.com/TrevorGoodchild/posts/109586212676146688

    “This is the second-worst case scenario I had envisioned. The absolute worst was a mass die-off due to fulminant antibody-dependent enhancement recreating Black Death 2.0. This, perhaps mercifully, did not happen. Instead we are seeing the fagcinated (those that stupidly continue boosting themselves especially) continue to gimp their immune systems and shift their interferon profiles. So now they no longer have the capacity to fully clear respiratory viruses quickly (or at all . . .?) And therefore they are acting as plague rats with regards to respiratory viruses for the rest of us, including pureblooded children. This explains the massive surge in both influenza and RSV that we have seen this winter.”

    • Red says:

      Igor Chudov on it:

      https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/booster-caused-immune-tolerance-explains

      KD link:
      https://archive.ph/gX6BJ

      mRNA Shots Work Like Allergen Shots

      I had many pollen allergies. Every spring was unpleasant. I decided to go to an allergist and take allergy shots, which amounted to repeatedly injecting allergens into me. As a result of these repeat antigen shots, my immune system developed non-inflammatory IgG4 antibodies, which mark pollen as a harmless substance to the rest of my immune system and prevent allergic inflammation and nasty symptoms.

      There is something important, though: pollen does not replicate.

      It is a good idea not to have inflammation in response to pollen. It is a bad idea, however, to train our immune system to ignore replicating pathogens such as Sars-Cov-2.

      How would “immune tolerance,” induced by repeat antigen shots such as mRNA injections, look like when the person is infected with Sars-Cov-2?

      It would look like a “mild” infection without a serious fever that would last much longer than necessary and cause organ damage. The sufferer may say, for the first week, that they are thankful for vaccines and boosters making their symptoms mild. Then they start wondering why the infection is not going away.

      Such tolerance may explain why boosted people are the slowest to clear Covid-19:

    • Red says:

      This is pretty much what Jim and other’s have observed with the boosted. This also makes the highly boosted a positive danger to be around. They’ve god GRDS and should be avoided at all costs because they’re plague rats.

      This is good news for people who only took one shot. Assume the cardiac damage doesn’t kill you, your immune system isn’t completely fucked after one jab.

      • Red says:

        god=got

      • someDude says:

        And just like that, the west rediscovers untouchability. I wonder how the Hindus came upon the concept. Must have been any number of reasons. The point is that it will naturally spring up in any settled society.

      • Milosevic says:

        lmao don’t be a faggot. There is no point worrying about any of this. I’ve never been healthier in my life and I’m surrounded by vaxxd lunatics. Move on m8.

        • Red says:

          I haven’t been sick since Omicron, but I the people I’m around are mostly the unvaxed or just single dose vaxed.

    • simplyconnected says:

      Karl Denninger has also been talking about this:

      This turns you into a walking virus mutation and production factory, a source of infection to everyone around you and, to the extent that the virus does direct damage to your body systems, and we know the spike does, it also is likely to lead to very severe long-term problems that look like other conditions. Nobody is looking for spike damage specifically in, for example, heart attacks, strokes and pulmonary embolisms, never mind the possibility of potentiating cancer by suppressing immune response if that suppression and tolerance goes beyond Covid, and it very well might. If that’s not bad enough everyone that got jabbed has the same profile of response where the normal situation is that responses differ in different people because our body systems operate slightly differently […]
      We may now have created a couple hundred million people in the US alone who have coded their immune systems to tolerate certain proteins that are common across all manner of respiratory viruses and worse, if its not local to viruses to be more-susceptible to cancer and other immune-sensitive problems with no way to reverse the effects!

    • simplyconnected says:

      This is important stuff, so I thought I’d leave a couple of links, more in detail than Igor’s explanation, from Arkmedic and Jessica Rose.

      • Red says:

        Very important stuff.

        Added KD links for them.
        https://archive.ph/L9a8m

        https://archive.ph/Hq2Eo

        Looks like they also looked at non mRNA jabs, no immune issues from them.

        They did not see this result in the case of the non-mRNA injectable product ChAdOx1 (adenoviral vector-based vaccine) or for tetanus toxoid and Respiratory Syncytial Virus (RSV). They checked. This confirms that this class switch to this tolerizing antibody subclass is specific to the effects of repeated injections with the Comirnaty products (we’ll have to check the Moderna mRNA-1273 products) and more importantly, that is not a typical consequence of repeat antigen exposure from either natural infections and vaccination.

    • Karl says:

      Massive surge in various repiratory diseaes is more readily explained by the large number of people with impaired immune systems.

      A large number of plague rats should not affect people with uncompromised immune systems much. In any flu season, we encounter all the respiratory viruses that are around. No big deal if a large number of plague rats make us encounter any one of theses viruses a few weeks earlier than usual. Either you are already immune to that specific virus or you get a cold and are immune thereafter.

    • Red says:

      One more article about, it looks more mainstream:

      https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/very-urgent-do-covid-mrna-vaccines

      KD link:
      https://archive.ph/https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/very-urgent-do-covid-mrna-vaccines

      “It may also increase the chance of certain autoimmune disorders, though that connection is more speculative.”

      • jim says:

        “The immune shift causes the body to make relatively more of a less potent kind of antibody to Covid,”

        Ignorant twits. They may have had trouble understanding the original article, since written evasively to avoid being deplatformed, demonetized, and cancelled.

        IG1 and IG2 means the immune system is monitoring the problem. IG3 means “attack the enemy, don’t worry too much about collateral damage” (which of course makes you feel very ill, and can kill you in the course of attempting to kill the disease) IG4 means “false alarm, forget about it”. So you feel fine until viral damage to your organs causes you to keel over suddenly. Of course the jab is a false alarm, but actual covid is not.

        • Red says:

          “Ignorant twits.” IE mainstream.

          Your explanation of the antibody types is the best I’ve seen so far.

          The paper was submitted in July and published during Christmas so the evasion clearly wasn’t enough. Makes one wonder why they’re finally publishing it at all.

    • Honest Bob says:

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  22. Red says:

    Jim, would it be possible to ban users names shorter than 3? It’s difficult to quote them because a random letter doesn’t identify anyone in way that makes sense to humans.

  23. Red says:

    OT: I was watching Die Hard yesterday. I’ve always loved that film. It’s always shown people in the proper lights: The evil media, the incompetence of police leadership, the disdain for human life by the FBI, the slimy Jew trying to steal other men’s wives, the brave businessman Takagi. It’s a male fantasy where a man wins his wife back by doing brave violent acts, when it reality he should have taken her over his knee and spanked her for misbehavior. Even the villains we given good motivations like trying to kill John McClain because he killed his brother, Hans Gruber is a “fake” leftist terrorist who’s really a thief, but that’s really what all leftist terrorists are.

    • Pax Imperialis says:

      On the topic of stories, I came across an interesting series of video essays. Of note is one on Evangelion.

      The tragedy of the ancient man (Oedipus Rex) was being too crazed and violent and driven by ambition. He would go berserk and kill his own family and he’d have to learn to employ all his energy to help society and be of service to society.

      The tragedy of the medieval man (Macbeth) was to engage in a cycle of violence caused by pride and ambition which would cause deadly political intrigue.

      The tragedy of the modern male (Evangelion) is being weak, passive, alienated, crippled by fears, personal insecurity, and an unhealthy relationship with women. Who is self centered yet defined by his role to an institution that is just using him with little regard to his deeper human needs. He’s a cog in a greater machine.

      Many of the modern archetypes like career cat woman are in the anime, but of particular note is that Shinji, the protagonist, is the school shooter archetype. The character actually says this in the anime.

      Nobody cares whether I live or die. Nothing will change… so they can all just die

      The anime was released in 1995 and Columbine shooting was 1999. Prophetic?

      @KD

      Youtube channel Pilgrims Pass has some interesting analysis along with decent shit posting. A Catholic Brazilian academic in background, with an overly wordy temperament, he is likely a reactionary who is converging on NRx. Much of what he says shouldn’t be new, but it is interesting to see intellectual convergence. Check out the Dune vs StarTrek one,

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK9-uBbL0ek

      or any of the Dune videos.

      • Kunning Drueger says:

        Will watch, but first blush looks like a copycat of Dovahatty, which I highly recommend, who is also Brazilian YouTuber that first with a lot of redpill history. Brazil is a weird place…

        https://youtu.be/0IU4qrriHrs
        This is part 12 of a many-part series that’s basically a Shitposter’s History of Rome.

      • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

        It is old hat to take note of the fact that Anno first drafted Evangelion while in a deeply depressive state of being; what far fewer do though is work through the implications of this fact. It is important to note that this is something that means more than the equally common ‘well then of course the show would be depressing too’ surfacial take; in the most basic sense, what it means is that pretty much everything in the original series are expressions of things Anno hated about life, others, and himself.

        For example, Asuka was Anno’s ‘heroism is a lie and anyone that enjoys fighting is either a evil psycho bad no good person, or is just kidding themselves; they are not any stronger than me (noone is stronger than me)’ device, which is of course subversive, and amongst several other elements illustrates how eva is itself a product of modernity in the end, one more amongst many others.

        Most fans who watched the original series made the mistake of thinking that that sub-set of narrative devices in the work which in particular took the form of feminine humanoids were waifu material. (Which, granted, can’t be said to be really completely their fault either.)

        In that original series, the duality represented by Rei and Asuka, by nature, could not be something Shinji ‘gets with’, in the way a Man Knows a Woman; neither one could be picked over either of the other; which would pose a rather thorny problem to the prospect of ever ‘concluding’ the narrative on a high note. And, as Anno made later works in later years, under a different headspace, this naturally comes with production of different character, as well. There is no way he could place his self-insert together with devices representing his antipathies, unless he changed those characters as well; which in truth would also have been the most thematically consistent solution; ritual transfiguration of lesser to greater, entropy to eutropy, degeneration to regeneration, is a powerful allegory.

        It’s also a most challenging path to accomplish for an author, and as it happened Anno increasingly phoned it in over the years as well, so making up something new (like the character of Mari Makinami) and simply dumpstering everything you did before was the only possibility left.

        When a man has a waifu, there comes then also a tendency to want to rate the larger work she is connected with highly – to want to think it is even better than it may otherwise actually be.

        And when an artist notices that people like something, and does a contradiction of what they like, such petty contrarianism is usually lauded by contemporary chattering classes as Stunning and Brave, because fuck the peasants. And it must be said that Hideaki-san was not an existence beyond that susceptibility to the lures of validation.

        And a confluence of these tendencies tends to create something of a vicious cycle.

        There’s a common trope over the course of artistic criticism that tends to go something like:

        >critic: i don’t like this thing
        >writer: ah, well you see here the thing is, this thing you think is a mistake, that was actually all intentionally planned from the beginning

        Thus, we have upgraded doing something bad on accident… to doing something bad on purpose.
        
        It’s a valuable question to start wondering why so many people do this as if it makes a real point (if anything, you could say it makes for an even worse look), and the roots of modes of thought like these go back to John Locke and other 16th century enlightenment figures sopisticating about deontology, but getting lost in those woods is beyond the scope of this current work; suffice to say, the point basically is that in most cases, ironic shitposting is still shitposting.
        
        Which leaves us with eva. Neon Genesis Evangelion in it’s christening, as noted, is composed of characters that are not really characters as such, but devices for the expression of certain themes. NGE says to the viewer, ‘hey, you know that one character archetype you liked in that one story? well here is how that kind of person would *really* be like in the *’real’* world!’.
        
        In this respect, NGE is very much in line with the post-modern tradition of deconstruction; unlike the epics of more civilized times, virtue is scarce in its own world, if not nonexistent; noone is really ‘the good guys’, and everything sucks. Settings where everything sucks can work for stand-alone tragedies (for instance, noone has ever seriously bothered to make a sequel to Antigone); but if for whatever reason you want to *continue* work in that world, then, well, you run into a problem.

        Thus Hideaki Anno found himself in a bit of a lemma; he created a stand-alone tragedy, yet popular enthusiasm demanded continuation (ideally, towards a Good End).
        
        When everything is a set-piece – including more volitonary (at least nominally) agents – they can’t really ‘work’ outside the bounds of the scenario they were conceived for; especially when they are conceived of as expressions of the author’s antipathies. A charitable interpretation of the story would be that it’s about overcoming those antipathies into a more eduaimonic mode of engagement with Being; in any case however, there is no way you could simply keep using elements in a fallen state on purpose, without regressing the work (and yourself) in the first place. Your only options at that point are to either transform it, or destroy it – and Anno chose to destroy it.

        Which was the easy way out of course. Anyone who might’ve empathized, identified, or at least sympathized with any of the other characters got no more real answers about the conundrums they were supposed to embody than what they started with. Perhaps you could say those are answers to things Anno himself could not give. There are fans who had been invested in the series for over 25 years, and all he gave them in the end was, ‘you shouldnt get so caught up in this stuff :)’.

        The character of Mari, introduced in the later series, and subject of the nominal protagonist’s ultimate denoument, is not a device in the same way that other figures were devices. There is no underlaying trauma that she is supposed to embody, she’s simply a ‘regular character’; she has a good attitude, she has no problem with fighting, nor hangups that would interfere with the discharging of her duty – no more or less than what one should expect of any warrior in the line of duty. In a world of deconstruction though, such a ‘regular’ character is deeply incongruous.

        But if A, the director wants to make a happily ever after for his self-insert, and B, he is not going to change anything else about anyone else, then C, such a thing is the only other option.

        If there is one thing you can say, it is that even though he couldn’t do any better, Anno was at the very least self-aware enough to just outright say to people that the schlock he was giving them was in fact schlock.

        There are – or perhaps, were – millions of people out there who wanted eva to be something more than what it was; unfortunately for them, in the end, Hideaki-san was equal the task of answering their prayers.

        • Red says:

          It always amazes me how much depth you have about so many subjects. I was obsessed with Evangelion when it came out but it just kept more and more depressing(I kind of ended up hating all the characters) and I just got to the point where I wanted the show to end with something meaningful even if it was the world end being destroyed. I was so upset with the lack of an ending that I pretty much gave up on watching Anime.

          I never looked into who created the created the show or his motivations.

          • Pax Imperialis says:

            >I pretty much gave up on watching Anime

            You wouldn’t have miss much if you completely stopped. Other than Mamoru Oshii, it pretty much all went to shit. Oshii did best with anime movies. Try watching the following if you haven’t already.

            Jin-Roh
            Ghost in the Shell movies (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNuL8cVxXMA)
            Patlabor 2 (context https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybLKmO5Kq5A)

            The one modern anime that is evocative is Genocidal Organ but that might just be an extreme niche.

            • alf says:

              What are the opinions on Full metal alchemist? We’re halfway in, enjoying it so far.

              • notglowing says:

                Full Metal Alchemist falls into the subcategory of Shounen anime, which means its target audience is young teenage boys. It’s one of the best anime in that category, which I generally found rather boring and formulaic.

                The ending in particular is quite good. I enjoyed the interactions between the main characters and Truth throughout the series; Though Truth in FMA is not at all like God in Christianity, it is more of a neutral, logical, force of nature, cause and effect kind of deity or principle that is typical of eastern philosophy.

                It should be noted that the idea of Karma, and being punished for it, is different from our idea of good and bad. In the eastern view, burning in hell is more of a mechanical, natural consequence of your bad actions. A result of your Karma, and necessary to get rid of it.
                Whereas Christians believe an intelligent, just God judges people and delivers deserved punishment.

                If you like FMA, I would recommend you watch Hunter x Hunter as well. Another really good Shounen.
                It’s good all the way through, but the most interesting part is the Chimera Ant arc starting ~80 episodes in.
                Among the themes of that arc, there are the cold cruelty of nature and the fundamental nature of Man.

                The overarching story of the entire show is about a young boy trying to find his father and become as strong as he is in the process.

                • Adam says:

                  >It should be noted that the idea of Karma, and being punished for it, is different from our idea of good and bad. In the eastern view, burning in hell is more of a mechanical, natural consequence of your bad actions. A result of your Karma, and necessary to get rid of it.

                  Jesus Christ is Lord, but what you described here is pretty much exactly how I live my life spiritually. The eastern view is true (as you described it), in so much as if you act like it is true it bears good fruit. I know nothing of actual eastern views or religions I am no expert. It’s also a lot like the faith one learns about in 12 step programs, which are spiritual programs that embrace the paradoxical nature of our perception and reality. And those work for people very well.

                  I can’t say I believe in God as intelligent, as I don’t think of God as a person (other than Christ of course). I’ve never heard Jim talk like that either.

                  Not trying to make it about me or anything I just find it interesting and consistent with what works and consistent with Jim and the rest of what is said here.

                • alf says:

                  > Shounen anime

                  Ah that explains the gratuitous amount of fan service. There’s this recurrent image of Winry in the end credits that screams ‘help me step brooo’. It always cracks us up.

                  > It should be noted that the idea of Karma, and being punished for it, is different from our idea of good and bad.

                  Haven’t finished it, but so far I find the concept of paying for your sins fairly relatable and not all too unChristian.

                  > If you like FMA, I would recommend you watch Hunter x Hunter as well. Another really good Shounen.

                  I chose FMA because it seemed enjoyable for female viewers, which turned out to be the case. HxH seems more boy focused? As in, Dragonball Z is also a shounen, but I can’t imagine a woman enjoying it.

              • Neofugue says:

                FMA is an exploration into various Western philosophical ideas such as those of Darwin, Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, Hume and Kant, some of which you may agree with, others you may not. As a point of personal preference I prefer the English dub as voice actor Vic Mignongna tones down Edward’s atheism.

                Both the original and Brotherhood are well-produced, certainly.

                • alf says:

                  > As a point of personal preference I prefer the English dub as voice actor Vic Mignongna tones down Edward’s atheism.

                  Implying you watched both the sub and dub? lmao you weeb.

                  jk jk I appreciate the perspective.

                • Kunning Druegger says:

                  Wait… you guys don’t watch dub then sub on every anime?

                • Redbible says:

                  @KD

                  I only watch in sub these days, something about watching a show be dubbed by people who are more than fine seeing you and your family be genocided tends to ruin even a good show.

                • Neofugue says:

                  With few exceptions, dubs are inferior to subs, but they lower the barrier of entry for people unfamiliar with the medium. FMA’s sub is better, but I saw it in dub many years ago as a newcomer and am fond of it. Mignongna was metooed for being insufficiently woke.

          • notglowing says:

            I’m a big fan of Evangelion myself.
            Did you watch End of Evangelion? It’s complementary to the ending of the TV series itself and serves as its concrete ending.
            It’s also my favourite part.

            I like the themes of the show, but I think it’s a mistake to entirely reduce it to its message, especially given the series likely was not started with such a concrete intention in mind.

            Anno is an incredible director, and almost every scene has a lot of care put into it.
            Rewatching it a few times has made me realize just how good every individual part of it is. Each episode stands on its own and fits within the larger story. The pacing is never slow enough to be boring as many shows tend to be, nor is it too fast where episodes kinda blend into each other.
            The cinematography really culminates in End of Evangelion.

            I think there’s truth to both PC and Neofugue’s analysis.

            • Red says:

              “Did you watch End of Evangelion?”

              I did not. Guess I’ll take another look.

              • notglowing says:

                That you said you were upset over the show not having a real ending was a dead giveaway. You might or might not like the way EoE concludes the story but it is at least very good in its cinematography and music, it won’t be painful to watch.

                I like both “endings” personally. The series ending and EoE. It should be noted that EoE is derived from the way Eva was actually originally planned to end, down to individual key scenes. The reason why it couldn’t be done was budget. It’s very obvious that the animation decays and almost disappears in the last few episodes. They had no money.

                Anno decided to spell out the meaning of the ending to the viewer instead of animating the actual conclusion because he didn’t have the resources to do otherwise until EoE came out. Also why EoE looks really good.

                • Red says:

                  One of things I loved about EVA was how great it looked and I was looking forward to a visually spectacular ending. At this time I also had to buy the DVDs one at a time from amazon, which wasn’t cheap. Those last 2 episodes felt like big fuck you.

                  I lucked out though, Amazon went out of stock and even after I bitched about the show an Anime nerd I knew bought all the DVDs from me at 50% more than I paid for them. He was bummed at the ending as well, but I did warn him.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  The chief value of the anime and manga industry is that it still presents beautiful people in beautiful settings working with beautiful things, which alone counts for a lot.

                  Even when the content is by-the-numbers filler, the value of good aesthetics on spiritual well-being can’t be underestimated.

                • Red says:

                  “Even when the content is by-the-numbers filler, the value of good aesthetics on spiritual well-being can’t be underestimated.”

                  Hence why everyone went to see Avatar 2 on Christmas or the day after. Good visuals, family group doing things together, with a Genocidal anti human message. The images matter more than the message to the people watching it.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  And of course, the likewise goes for the effect of being subjected too (or subjecting yourself too) ugliness, cacophony, and negergonomics.

                • Red says:

                  “negergonomics”

                  Lol, everyone is watching the film in the hightech 3d theater that costs $20 a ticket is somehow 100% negro free.

                  Shocka.

                • Pax Imperialis says:

                  The original ending was due to running out of budget. EoE is great because it completes the tragedy. Shinji realizes that life is in fact worth living, but he realized it too late.

                  >The chief value of the anime and manga industry is that it still presents beautiful people in beautiful settings working with beautiful things, which alone counts for a lot.

                  Anime all went downhill around the mid 2000s. It’s all shonen, moe, and now isekai. Not even quality, just crap. Likely the result of globalization and selling more to an American audience and thus having to sanitize things. There use to be a lot more anime that explored geopolitics and the underlying philosophy or shows with dark themes and mature heroism, but it’s rare now.

                  Really suggest checking out Genocidal Organ. Yes I’m shilling for it. It’s a wild tragedy with a Pelosi caricature at the end. Hilarious and grim.

                • Neofugue says:

                  > Anime all went downhill around the mid 2000s. It’s all shonen, moe, and now isekai. Not even quality, just crap. Likely the result of globalization and selling more to an American audience and thus having to sanitize things. There use to be a lot more anime that explored geopolitics and the underlying philosophy or shows with dark themes and mature heroism, but it’s rare now.

                  Anime is an expensive business; for every Evangelion, there were at least five other arthouse works which failed to break even. Most of the talent that made anime great are now either dead, retired, or near retirement (Kon, Oshii, Miyazaki, Otomo, etc.).

                  Modern anime is pretty stupid, ngl, but it has its moments:
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23kUulN2sYQ

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  The manga is better tee bee aych (like a lot of adaptations).

        • Kunning Druegger says:

          Thanks to St. John, this song is a permanent entry on the Family Road Trip Playlist.

          https://youtu.be/oIscL-Bjsq4

          The wife LOVES it. /s

        • Neofugue says:

          Reducing Neon Genesis Evangelion to a nihilistic deconstruction of the traditional character progression arc as the product of a depressed soul ignores director Hideaki Anno’s ideological motivations and the conclusion of the self-insert Shinji Ikari’s character arcs in the original series.

          It is difficult to discuss Evangelion in this regard without understanding Nadia. Adapted from Jules Verne’s 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, Nadia encapsulates Anno’s Whig ideology but with typical East-Asian autistic unawareness. Unlike Western auteurs who view their works as as a means of subjugating and humiliating their audiences, Anno promotes his main couple, Nadia as his waifu, as a romanticized ideal for his viewers. Hayao Miyazaki of Ghibli fame is similar to him in this regard; he asserts that Japan should apologize for their use of foreign prostitutes in World War Two unaware of how such an apology is a humiliation ritual for the Japanese as a whole, and then proceeds to direct a film which romanticizes the creation of the Zero.

          The problem with Pseudo-Chrysostom’s analysis is his assumption that Anno is like Western Prog auteurs:

          > And it must be said that Hideaki-san was not an existence beyond that susceptibility to the lures of validation.

          Anno is autistic to the degree he often would go to work without taking a shower. His friend Miyazaki chose him to voice Jiro Horikoshi in The Wind Rises because of his detached personality. Ignoring transsexuals, Progs are the opposite personality profile, dedicating countless effort to demonizing autistic men like Anno.

          Evangelion is Anno’s attempt at creating a replacement for Christianity, a “good news” to combat the tragedy of the atomized modern man. Advocating for Anno having his self-insert undergo a ritual transfiguration of lesser to greater, for Shinji to “rise up to the challenge” and “defeat the angels,” ignores the central premise of Evangelion, that Shinji does not have the means, both psychological and interpersonal, to achieve this seemingly simple task. In any typical shounen anime, the hero bands together with a cast of loyal friends and followers to defeat the villains, but in Evangelion, Shinji has no father to guide him, no mother to nurture him, no friends to take care of him, and lives with a despondent alcoholic older woman in an inappropriate housing arrangement.

          Anno’s solution, therefore, is to reflect inwards: “I may be depressed and messed up, but so is everyone else, even those who appear to be high and mighty on the surface; therefore I should not fear developing connections with others.”

          However, the problem with all secular post-Christian systems, Evangelion does not provide an adequate “why” for rising to the occasion afterwards, and the series fails because of this problem. Congratulations!!! Anno noticed that his message of redemption was being ignored in favor of who wins “best girl award,” and created the Rebuilds as an attempt to rectify Evangelion.

          BTW, Asuka is best girl, and that’s not just because I have her figure in my office. Rei-fags and Misato-fags can go off themselves (metaphorically) for all I care.

          • Red says:

            “Anno is autistic to the degree he often would go to work without taking a shower. His friend Miyazaki chose him to voice Jiro Horikoshi in The Wind Rises because of his detached personality. Ignoring transsexuals, Progs are the opposite personality profile, dedicating countless effort to demonizing autistic men like Anno”

            Going to work without showering shows depression IE low self status. I bet he started showering once he was getting laid.

            • Neofugue says:

              Clearly Anno has showered before being filmed, linked above.

              Anno got married in 2002 at the age of 42, after he became world-famous.

              High-functioning autism is not a real condition, rather a collection of certain traits not compatible with the current-year zeitgeist. Anno wrote the original Evangelion for young men like himself, detached and atomized.

            • Fidelis says:

              Going to work without showering shows depression IE low self status

              Nah, really strong tism gives you an inability to properly filter sensory input. This is why you will see kids that are high functioning otherwise but have a high concentration of tism alleles will flip out about haircuts and fingernail trimming. Seen this in kids that are not shy nor low status among their friends, really enjoys contact sports, the high stimulus of certain things normies take for granted are extremely uncomfortable for people with less of an ability to filter it. If anno is this type of autist, easy to see him not showering if he can get away with it, ironically it’s a high status behavior because otherwise he would be forced to hikkikomori or wear a clean suit.

          • notglowing says:

            > Unlike Western auteurs who view their works as as a means of subjugating and humiliating their audiences, Anno promotes his main couple, Nadia as his waifu, as a romanticized ideal for his viewers.

            You hit the nail on the head. This is why I like anime, and can enjoy it even when it seems to contain ideas I disagree with, while most western media has become fairly offensive to me.

            Whether they have the right idea or not, the Japanese who make anime are always trying to make their viewers happy rather than humiliate and lecture them. It doesn’t have the same aggressive, malicious intent that Hollywood movies have.

            It helps that everything tends to be idealized, and that in the aesthetics they try to strive towards beauty, rather than intentional ugliness.

          • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

            > ignores the central premise of Evangelion, that Shinji does not have the means, both psychological and interpersonal, to achieve this seemingly simple task.

            Well, yes, that is indeed the point.

            Anno was self-consciously referencing many classic tropes of super robot anime that came into mode in the late 70s and 80s. For example, the trope of teenage boy thrust into the role of soldier with the weight of destiny on his shoulders, where he rises to the occasion.

            Except of course…

            > ‘hey, you know that one character archetype you liked in that one story? well here is how that kind of person would *really* be like in the *’real’* world!’.

            He doesn’t rise to the occasion, because why would anyone rise to the occasion? Everything sucks. And if I can’t rise to the occasion, then noone else can either… so on and so forth.

            The ideal touched upon by Asuka, existing in potentia, is very much best girl; yet, like many things in Eva, Anno was unwilling – or unable – to actually deliver it.

            • jim says:

              If a man cannot be a king under his own roof, and own a woman and children, why do anything?

              And this is the tragedy and horror of modernity.

              • Fidelis says:

                We need to formulate a word to distinguish between “a vaguely human-shaped male animal” and “a being fulfilling the divine telos of masculinity”.

                At the very least to elevate the latter away from the former. I can see quite a large mass perfectly content with pan et circenses, but they also mostly lack any sort of ability to do much more than grunt labor while being monitored every second. The higher beings included in “man” are those being brought down to the level of the animal “man” by yoke of demonic relgious practice. We should make this clear.

                • S says:

                  We already have them- male and man.

                • Fidelis says:

                  Not nearly a strong enough distinction. I think we should borrow something from the greeks or latins for this.

                • Kunning Druegger says:

                  Full disclosure, I am definitely a wordfag, a dictioncel if you will. I agree with Fidelis here. While the “male/man” distinction absolutely works, it doesn’t work very well, and it would be completely misunderstood without repeated explanations as the terms are synonyms in common parlance.

                  Possibly related, I have gotten flack for my stubborn insistence on using “female” instead of “woman.” I don’t know why this triggers folks, but it does, and they are usually pronoun people with Hohol flags.

                • Adam says:

                  Man and nu-male

                • S says:

                  Eunuch strong enough?

            • Neofugue says:

              > The ideal touched upon by Asuka, existing in potentia, is very much best girl; yet, like many things in Eva, Anno was unwilling – or unable – to actually deliver it.

              It is not that Anno was unwilling or unable, it is that he never wanted to deliver it at all. Of course, what ended up happening is that Asuka became a “best girl” because of her trauma, which surprised Anno to the extent he felt the need to make the Rebuilds.

              • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                Sure, but then i was being charitable, and this tack makes my point even more so for me.

      • Red says:

        @Pax

        Pilgrims Pass is interesting. He’s not based like Dovahatty, but in his Dune videos he is groping to the truth.

        • Pax Imperialis says:

          >he is groping to the truth

          I’ve been binge watching his videos and he’s on a similar trajectory towards truth as Yarvin was. There are some interesting parallels to Yarvin as well. Both share similar upper middle class backgrounds, both had cosmopolitan international educations, both had Communist grandfathers, and both write poetry.

          The NRx concepts are there in their infancy. For example Pilgrims Pass wrote/said:

          The nature of reality is such that leaders and scholars will primarily be of the upper class because they have the leisure to specialize and organize. The real common workers were victims brainwashed by people like Lenin. I know this from the inside, I know how the socialist sausage is made. The reality is: University types created a political theory that justified total control of the wealth by other university types.

          ‘University types’ might as well be ‘priestly types.’ It’s also clear he’s observing from outside America when he calls what we would term as the Cathedral/Harvard as California/coastal elites.

          The Communists are literally a Godless and corrupted form of us Christians but the Commies traded one Jew for another and ironically they chose the Jew who wasn’t a worker but was a lazy bastard with no job and thought yeah he’s a better representative of the working class

          It’s a less eloquent but much more succinct Yarvin if Yarvin was Catholic and European. Check out his Korra video. The title is misleading. It’s mostly an exploration of equality.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1jIWgX1j60

  24. Kunning Druegger says:

    Elevating this from the depths. This is excellent work, deserves comment, critique, and continuation:

    “Precepts of Reactionary Governance:

    Section 1: Basics of the principles of the state and of state religion:

    Where there is a state there is always also a state religion, the state religion can be either formal, informal but known, or covert

    Freedom of thought outside the state religion and the elite can be allowed to a large degree, but allowing free thought within the state religion and the elite will allow malefactors to subvert and destroy your state. The state religion should be setup as a perfectly prosocial machine at the foundation of the state and from then on all attempts to change it should be violently repressed.

    Outsider religions can be allowed outside the elite however some religions like Islam (especially the Orthodox Sunni variety), Roman Catholicism (Ultramonatism Jesuits etc) and Tikkum Olam type reform Judiasm are inherently subversive and should be gradually eradicated.

    Members of the elite should be monitored when they communicate with foreign elites so as to not have them try to subvert the state.

    Outright demon worshipping religions like all forms of Leftism, the Jesuit Order, Wahabbist type Islam etc. should be wiped out immediately and with all the violence and bloodshed necessary. In the case of the Jesuit order the state should do all it can to impose their suppression and extermination upon foreign states as well.

    As long as a population exist… power over it is neither created nor destroyed but simply transfered

    Governments whatever the details are can be autocratic, oligarchic or democratic

    Democracy may be somewhat effectively exercised over a small homogenous cohesive and virtuous population but it absolutely does not scale, sovereignity over a large or heterogeneous body can only be exercised by either one man or by an oligarchy

    All theoretical Democracies over large and/or heterogeneous states are therefore occulted oligarchies and Democracies at all

    Occulted governments are in fact less accountable than governments that are openly oligarchy or autocratic as they have the illusion of consent

    Entropic forces of social decay can only be effectively checked with an autocratic government, one man can be virtuous and to some degree impose virtue if he has the power to do so (Imposing virtue is not to be confused with moralfagging Victorian and Progressive legislation) whereas the moral and intellectual character of an oligarchic elite with no king or ruler over them will inevitably decay over time.

    Section 2: On proper governance of the state:

    Good government is fundamentally about structuring good incentives and backing private violence against malefactors, government organized violence should be used sparingly against large scale threats.

    Property rights and capitalism are natural, overt government interference with property is inefficient unnatural and done too much will create a bureaucrat class that will tend to devour the state.

    High trust society requires that fraud and corruption be punished very consistently and harshly without respect to persons…

    Taxation is best done via a Land Value Tax and Revenue Tariffs, neither income nor transactions within the state should be taxed.

    Credit however has to be controlled by the government and thus it should be for productive uses only not mere speculation. Loans to develop and build new buildings are fine, loans to buy an existing building or house are not.

    Money should be gold, silver fully backed certificates of such or crypto…

    Women are not adapted to freedom and subconsciously do not want it, their sexual attraction is to unsuitable anti social and often very evil men. Therefore emancipating women is dysgenic and enfranchising them is cancerous.

    Furthermore good fellowship among men requires secure property rights in women.

    Good fellowship among men also requires that they be allowed to repress homosexual behavior. And homosexuals will tend to try to rape and molest boys and as such violence against open homosexuals should be considered prosocial violence.

    Women should be married off shortly after puberty. If the father fails to do so by a certain age they may be subject to legal elopement or running off to red light district.

    As men are not angels there is a place for degenerate behavior and it is red light districts

    Men not of criminal character should be not only allowed but encouraged to be armed, a state that fears men of good character in arms is badly governed by bad people

    Section 3: On governing different races:

    Good fences make good neighbors and diversity + proximity often means war

    As such seperate races should mostly live in seperate millets governed locally by their own people and in charge of providing their own municipal services

    Outsider people (who do not have a high rank from the King or Emperor, or a commission to enter) will need permission to enter into the millet

    Millets (and red light districts) should be the only form of zoning allowed by the state…

    As mixing freely is sometimes necessary for commerce some trading cities may allow multiple groups inside but this should not be universal.

    On credentialism:

    Credentialism should be forbidden by the state it should merely be a matter for the market to sort out.”

    [This is from TC, I did not write it, nor did I add/change/remove anything.]

  25. Valka says:

    [*Baghdad Bob grade Ukrainian propaganda deleted*]

    • Valka says:

      Murz is a Russian nationalist. He would hardly write Ukrainian propaganda. Also, Girkin (Strelkov) reposted Murz’s text on his Telegram channel. The text may not be an accurate description (fog of war) but I belive it is an accurate description of an experienced warrior’s perception of the war. He’s been fighting since 2014. Girikin and Murz are highly critical or the Russian leadership but far from Ukrainian propagandists.

      • jim says:

        Pull the other one.

        His stuff is not only Ukrainian propaganda, but is completely over the top, extravagantly absurd, Ukrainian propaganda. The idea that anyone would believe this stuff shows how completely out of contact with reality you are.

        • Mayflower Sperg says:

          Zelensky and his junta believe it, but they’re consuming a fantastic amount of cocaine.

      • Kunning Druegger says:

        Russian Nationalists are seething right now. They have always called Putin a miscegenator, coward, bureaucrat, etc. that lacks courage, patriotism, loyalty, vision, etc. They are being embarrassed by the turnaround and calculated aggression. If some unexpected rightist took power in America, built an active defense wall on the Southern Border & deployed SoF to murder-fuck the cartels, you’d have a bunch of loud America Firsters complaining and doomsaying every little thing.

        The Right has no capacity for winning. Ubiquitous learned inferiority. We are always the losers because we always lose. Every win is therefore a larp, a spook, or a mirage. Of course, these things do exist, but being unable to see positive activity is the Dwarves Eating Fodder Syndrome.

        Strelkov lost his edge when he lost his faith. Look at how he scorns Wagner. I used to think he was just jealous, but I now think it’s deeper than that: he hates that he can’t let himself get involved due to ego. He is a true patriot (from my subjective, outsider, largely ignorant perspective). All the Russian Warriors on Telegram can’t help but doomsay and complain, it gets them clicks.

        • Red says:

          Russian rightists have every reason to dislike Putin, he’s a tried to play the nice guy instead of grasping the nettle and now most of the male Ukrainian population is going to end up dead before this war is over. Weakness causes hard times. If he’d had the balls in 2014 he would have annexed the entire Ukraine easily and then would have been forced to institute national capitalism due to the resulting sanctions.

          By far Putin’s greatest weakness is not fully embracing Christianity and the Christo-warriors. I was watching those Azov Winter Solstice ceremonies and I can see why they bring power. Putin needs to do some sort of ceremony with Christian Paladins and push them to the for front in the public’s mind.

          Wagner has been excellent. They’re a Christian warrior order. Russia is going to need more such orders and an explicitly holy war footing. Half assing it doesn’t work.

          • The Cominator says:

            The long war is in some ways working out well for Putin, his enemies are committing economic suicide.

            • Red says:

              Economics provides the weapons needed for war, and faith provides the men necessary to win it. One without the other and you get Iraq and Afghanistan.

          • Fireball says:

            We shouldn’t blame Russia for the madness of Ukraine and the West and in 2014 Russia was not ready to fight Ukraine and the West. Communism almost destroyed the russians and takes a long time to rebuild from that.

            • Red says:

              The west wasn’t ready to fight Russia in 2014 either. The west spent the years between turning the Ukraine into a Nazi stronghold with people willing to murder their fellow country men in order to force them to fight to the last Ukrainian white.

              In 2014 Russia would have rolled over the Ukraine. Hell fully supporting the rebels would have resulted in victory as well. But Putin held back because he feared sanctions. He should have used them as a rational for instituting National Capitalism. South Africa became a manufacturing powerhouse because of international sanctions, Putin passed up a great opportunity in 2014.

              • Fireball says:

                It was far more ready then it was now and Russia was far less ready specially to fight the sanctions. And more importantly the russians wouldn’t have known why they were fighting, only now are they are understanding what the west is.

                • Red says:

                  Hindsight is 20/20, but the only real gain I see Russia as having made is rebuilding their nuclear forces. Both the US and Russia nukes were in bad shape in 2014 now Russia’s is fully restored and the US is in even worse shape. But the US used that time to turn the Ukraine is a real danger for Russia.

                  You don’t fight sanctions, you adapt to them. Being able to blame an outside force to restructure your economy into something better is a huge benefit of them.

                  Understanding what the west is needs to come from Memetic Sovereignty which is something Putin has still failed to achieve in even 2022. Elites are elites because they successfully instructor others on what to think but Putin has always been terrible at this because he doesn’t really have a faith. He’s still a liberal at heart and it’s hurting Russia.

                • Kunning Druegger says:

                  Musk & Putin, two imperfect men doing what must be done imperfectly. We spend too much time looking for Heroes, Caesars, and Messiahs. Imagine the absolute state of the US if every man capable and desirous of “retribution” stopped waiting for the Perfect Time or the bat signal and just went out and “supported community welfare” kinetically. Instead, we utterly rend anyone who dares act. Rittenhouse is being pilloried cashing in on his temporary fame, insulted for his girlfriend, and will soon be despised.

                • Red says:

                  Anyone attacking Elon for a Halloween costume is a Voxday sucking off faggot. That’s where that line came from.

                • Jamesthe1st says:

                  I don’t know how anyone can say Putin has done poorly with this war. Sure there’s probably always something better in hindsight but look at the big picture. The Russians now have a unified populace that knows they have an enemy in who runs West. Promotion of homosexaulity is now banned, it was not at the start of the war. Their economy has been disconnected from the globalhomo slave system and is now a real national economy with plenty of natural resources to survive. Ukriane is losing sadly but that is their fault, not Putin’s. The Ukrianian population should have defenestrated Zelensky already.

                • Red says:

                  The value in a state is mostly it’s people. After this war there won’t be a lot of value left in Ukraine. All the best men will be dead. That’s a major loss especially if Putin wants to re-incorporate the nation into Russia where it belong. Nor does Russia have fertility level required to repopulate it quickly. They’re still sucking on second wave feminism.

                  Ukraine is going to be a complete loss.

                  Where Putin has done well is against the west in General, but that happened almost by accident. The morons in charge of the GAE basically sanctioned ourselves. National capitalism happening doesn’t seem as though Putin was planning for it but I give him for credit for not trying to stop it.

                  A full embrace of Christian Warriors and a restoration of Patriarchy would be huge step forward, but Putin hasn’t taken it, yet.

                • Kunning Druegger says:

                  The situation is definitely in flux. Putin has made some big mistakes, but he’s in open war with the Empire of Lies, the thralls of the great deceiver.

                  I don’t think the goal was ever the incorporation of Ruthenia, they are low IQ malcontents with almost nothing to offer. Did everybody see Medvedev trolling the GAE on twitter?

                  https://twitter.com/MedvedevRussiaE/status/1607487338401206273

                  Fucking hilarious.

                • Red says:

                  LOL, now that’s entertainment.

                • Kunning Druegger says:

                  RT releases troll video for Europeans.

                  https://t.me/CIG_telegram/25974

                  In th words of my wife: That’s one impressive hamster.

  26. Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

    I hope all you fine fellows had a very merry celebration of Christ’s incarnation.

    • Kunning Druegger says:

      A very Merry Christmas, Happy Boxing Day, and Blessed New Year to you, St. John. I hope you have an awareness of how instrumental you are around here, and in your own life I am sure.

  27. Starman says:

    Space Apostle: “This is a fine horse I have.”

    Executive #1: “O’ StarProphet, that is indeed a fine horse that you have!”

    Executive #2: “O’ StarProphet, you must be mistaken. That is a deer, not a horse.”

    Executive #2 gets fired the next week.

    • A says:

      A prophet is a man of God. How can someone who wears a Satanic costume and then makes it his Twitter profile picture for the next two months be a man of God?

      • The Cominator says:

        No one is arguing Musk is a literal prophet.

      • Starman says:

        @A

        “A prophet is a man of God.”

        Elon Musk, the StarProphet, is a prophet in the same way Muhammad and Joseph Smith were.

        “How can someone who wears a Satanic costume and then makes it his Twitter profile picture for the next two months be a man of God?”

        Given that every single mainline/evangelical church has fully embraced utterly satanic institutions (family courts), Space Apostle Elon is an improvement.

        • A says:

          Muhammad and Joseph Smith were adulterers who preyed on their own followers using false revelations as cover for their adulteries. They were wolves in sheeps’ clothing; false prophets. Their evil fruits are seen in the religions of Islam and Mormanism today.

          Space Apostle

          Apostle to whom?

          • Kunning Drueger says:

            Counter signal harder you fucking faggot.

            • A says:

              What do you mean?

              • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

                Well, being a faggot, you love cock in, on, and around your mouth and butthole, you degenerate.

                • A says:

                  Oh, you’re an idiot.

                • Kunning Drueger says:

                  All you deserve are sophomoric insults because you are offering reddit tier analysis. This is one of the oldest blogs on the English language internet. Lots of people show up out of the blue, and more than a few start out by making valid, engaging, or even provocative observations. You showed up hacking up negro semen level observations, so all you get is commensurate bullying. That’s what you deserve.

                  You’re counter signalling The Good with an appeal for The Perfect. This is inexcusable at this point in The Dialogue. We’ve moved past surface level observations and “Everybody knows/believes/feels that (x)” sentiment, which we refer to as an Appeal to [false] Consensus or Appeal to Authority. You made large claims about Islam and Mormonism with no evidence provided. Substantiate your claims and explain who they are relevant to the topic of Interstellar Christian Nationalism. So far, you’ve just come off as some neckbeard faggot that feasts of phallus ferociously.

                • A says:

                  I asked what you meant because you appeared to be using the colloquial meaning of countersignaling rather than the technical meaning, and I wanted to be sure.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersignaling

                  In other words, you’re not as smart as you think you are, and you project this onto other people, as your use of argumentum ad redditum shows. Now I will answer your point.

                  The words prophet and saint apply to about the same thing, but before and after Christ, respectively. The final prophet, John the Baptist, lost his head for telling a Queen to quit her harlotry. Countless martyrs have lost their lives standing up to tyrants. What has Elon Musk done?

                  All of modern civilisation, including modern science, and modern industry, and the social glue that lets people like Elon Musk build their rockets, comes from the blood of the martyrs and the saints, and then ultimately from Christ. Without Elon Musk there would be no cheap rockets. Without the saints and Christ there would be no Elon Musk. Further, if rockets are needed, and Christians of faith pray to God for them, God will deliver them, Elon Musk or no.

                  Elon Musk is a genuis, a visionary, an entrepreneur, an excellent engineer; a man who is one in a billion. What he is not, and I use the technical definition here, is a prophet. Calling this smarmy little faggot, parading around as Satan’s Champion, a prophet blasphemes all of the prophets and saints who have come before him.

                  If Interstellar Christian Nationalism needs an Elon Musk, then God will deliver an Elon Musk.

                • jim says:

                  > Calling this smarmy little faggot, parading around as Satan’s Champion, a prophet blasphemes all of the prophets and saints who have come before him

                  He prophesizes, and his prophesies inspire.

                  What then is he but a prophet?

                • Starman says:

                  @A

                  I noticed that you are using a common letter (A) as your nym, in order to prevent people from searching your comment history.

                • A says:

                  @Starman

                  I am using “A” as my nym because it is as anonymous as I can make myself on this page. I am not special or important and my use of this nym I hope makes this fact clear firstly to myself and secondly to you and the other posters.

                  To find my posts, search for the phrase “A says:”. Every hit on this page is one of my comments. To confirm that it is the same email, look at the cat.

                  I made a single comment in the previous thread.

                  https://blog.reaction.la/faith/the-priest-cannot-say-groomer-and-the-churches-are-vanishing/#comment-2858419

                  I have made no other comments.

                • A says:

                  I don’t follow Elon Musk. I don’t know if his prophesies inspire or not. My reasoning is thus:

                  Orthodox Christians are instructed not to eat halal food, nor food that they know has been sacrificed to idols. This is not because such food has any power, but because by eating it they might be seen to be condoning idolatry. How much more, then, must an Orthodox Christian not follow, nor be seen to follow, someone who bears on his clothing the image of the devil himself.

                • jim says:

                  Halloween is an affectionate parody, or Christian gentle ridicule, of a pagan ritual that propitiated evil fairies (demons) and the unquiet ghosts of the evil dead. Musk wore the costume for Halloween.

                  Halloween was created, and its date was set, by the Church.

                  A good Christian can cheerfully participate in that ritual, for good Christians have for a millennium.

                  Halloween is a Christian ritual that coopted a pagan ritual, turning its meaning upside down – the point being to treat the demons as weak and silly.

                  Halloween is the opposite of Gaia and Covid Worship, where the Covid and Gaia demons are represented as mighty and awesome.

                  Demon worshipers are today attempting, with some success, to take Halloween back, much as they have evicted Christ from Christmas (In the countries of the Global American Empire, it is impossible to buy Christmas wrapping paper with the wise men, the angels, the manger, etc.)

                  But, obviously Musk’s costume did not constitute them taking it back. And the Christian roots of Halloween are deep.

                  If Musk had been wearing a covid mask, you would have a point. Wearing a Halloween costume? You are being silly.

                  The ashes of the pagan ritual are not entirely dead, and the right breeze can get them glowing again rather too easily. But Musk is the wrong breeze.

                  The name “Halloween” means “Eve of all Hallows, or Eve of All Saints day”. So the point is that the evils of the night are dismissed by dawn.

                • Starman says:

                  @A says
                  I can only judge a religion by its fruits.

                  And right now, the only complete religion that is actually fighting back against globohomo, and has affirmed the patriarchal rights of the father over his wife and children… is the Islam of the Taliban.

                  If Elon is successful in making “Mankind multiplanetary,” he will be remembered for thousands of years across every settlement in the Sol System.

                • A says:

                  https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0714.htm

                  My child, flee from every evil thing, and from every likeness of it.

                  No.

                • jim says:

                  You are linking to a Roman Catholic organization that cannot say “groomer”. Their Christianity is converged to faggotry and demon worship.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Islam is right about women mostly but kind of sucks otherwise… lying is okay in it and even Islamic “sexism” is beset by the gay head covering shit.

                • alf says:

                  Halloween is a Christian ritual that coopted a pagan ritual, turning its meaning upside down – the point being to treat the demons as weak and silly.

                  Spicy take. Certainly more lighthearted compared to Roosh’s orthodox take — https://gab.com/rooshv/posts/109231661638265184

                • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

                  A, you get a shill rating of GRIDS/10, and I hope you got all your covid boosters and come down with a case of suddenly.

                • Kunning Druegger says:

                  Metropolitan Jonah has made some good points vis a vis Halloween, by which I mean they resonated with me personally. Jim also makes good points.

                  Interstellar Christian Nationalism is in its infancy, maybe even pre-born, and like the literal billions of murdered babies out there, might not ever get a chance to grow up. We have no way of predicting who will be canonized and for what and when. I very much appreciate the Ortho faction here, I think they are godly men. But I also spend enough time on the Ortho discord to know that it is a never ending purity spiral of who/what is holy/holiest. There is a place for that, but I don’t think it is here. When things get to materialist, Neofuge and others step in and set the Ortho boundary right where it needs to be. This is a coalition, a confederation of men that know that there is One God, He is our God, and every knee will bow. The atheists can roll their eyes, the protestants can huff and chuff, and the tradcaths can niggle, but that is what we do behind closed doors. IRL, away from this board, there is no time or place for factional dispute.

                  Elon Musk is literally the only elite willing and able to oppose the Cathedral successfully from within the GAE Core. You cannot name a single other. Whether he knows it or not, he is doing God’s work. Countersignaling Musk does absolutely nothing positive. If you are his friend, his peer, his close subordinate, not only should you witness to him, you would be sinning if you didn’t. Here, you are indistinguishable from the legion of pedantic faggots that get pegged on the regular by their mommy gf “for the cause.”

                  You have admitted you are new. I am not a smart man, not in the context of this place. I have never asserted that I am, in fact I’ve said otherwise to such a degree that more than a few of my betters have remonstrated my self-deprecation. You score 0 points pointing this out, because everyone here knows that I am, at best, a sometimes poignant jester hellbent on fostering cooperation between the men of good will. The longer my posts, the dumber they get, and I post positively entish. That’s ok because my stumbling retardation inspires others to correct, expound, and develop ideas, which is to the Good. I know my place, nigger. Do you?

                  I humbly suggest you lurk moar, and if/when you start posting, you apply all the mental faculties God gave you to refine, edify, develop for the Good. If you are absolutely certain that Musk is doing evil works, you have to demonstrate that, and I cannot stress enough how utterly you’ve failed at that up to this point.

                • Red says:

                  Elon’s indicated recently some leanings towards Christianity and that he’s a fan of the Babylon Bee speaks well of him. Recently he posted that he thought turning the other check was weakness but he’s started to see the wisdom in it. Jim’s formulation that you only have 2 cheeks and after the second slap it’s on, works better than the normal keep taking up the ass forever that most churches preach.

                  I think Elon views modern Christianity as weak and he’s not wrong. McChristians spend so much time holiness competing and no time expelling evil from their midst or providing their children with the basics needed to successfully reproduce.

                • A says:

                  @Jim

                  You are linking to a Roman Catholic organization

                  The Orthodox Wiki also links to that site.

                  https://orthodoxwiki.org/Didache

                  My spiritual father told me that I may read books published by the Roman Catholic church as long as I read the text only and ignore any explanatory notes, prefaces, etc. The translation of that text is from 1886 in America. The editor was Phillip Schaff, a protestant

                  Regardless, here is another translation:

                  (The translations of other works of the Fathers at biblehub are a little more in the old English style. They match the translations that I found at an Orthodox bookstore.)

                  https://biblehub.com/library/richardson/early_christian_fathers/the_teaching_of_the_twelve.htm

                  My child, flee from all wickedness and from everything of that sort.

                  It supports my view slightly less than the other translation. Wearing something to troll the left, or holier-than-thou Christians, is not at face value wicked, especially if done light-heartedly, as in jest, and not taking itself too seriously.

                  The name “Halloween” means “Eve of all Hallows, or Eve of All Saints day”. So the point is that the evils of the night are dismissed by dawn.

                  I agree. How far past the dawn of All Saints day are we now?

                  @Kunning Druegger

                  If you are absolutely certain that Musk is doing evil works, you have to demonstrate that, and I cannot stress enough how utterly you’ve failed at that up to this point.

                  Musk can do whatever Musk wants to do. Fuck Musk. I’m hanging shit on u guise 4 being a bunch of buttsniffing fanbois lol gottem lmao

                  /s

                  If Musk is of God then nothing can stop him.

                • jim says:

                  > My child, flee from all wickedness and from everything of that sort.

                  This translation better fits the spirit the document.

                  The question then, is pretending to be ghosts, monsters, and demons for Halloween, “of that sort”

                  Wearing a Covid mask is demon worship. Dressing up as demons is not.

                • Kunning Druegger says:

                  @A hole
                  Haha welcome to the team, faggot

                • Adam says:

                  >Islamic “sexism” is beset by the gay head covering shit.

                  I rather like the idea of women covering their heads in public. I’d put a collar on my girlfriend and walk her on a leash in public if not for the attention it would bring.

                  Start treating a woman as property and watch her love for you grow.

                • Red says:

                  “Metropolitan Jonah has made some good points vis a vis Halloween, by which I mean they resonated with me personally. Jim also makes good points.”

                  A is a shill. Anything he posts is just designed to deceive.

                • The Cominator says:

                  “I rather like the idea of women covering their heads in public. I’d put a collar on my girlfriend and walk her on a leash in public if not for the attention it would bring.”

                  And perhaps that should be encouraged in the ideal reactionary future state as women LOVE that shit as long as you can impose that on them… but I hate Burkhas because its nice to see pretty girls in public sometimes. I prefer the Buddhist world’s way of doing patriarchy (where the sexes mix but women have status roughly equivalent to a pet guinea pig) to the Islamic way of doing it (where you don’t see women ever)…

                • Kunning Drueger says:

                  Could be, Red. Lord knows I m too nice and willing to bury hatchets. But there’s a simple method here, one general, one specific: shill test, and our Ortho bros. He’s clearly placed himself in the boundary of their remit. They will tell us if he’s one of them or a heretic. We can deal with that material side. Has he earned a shill test? To me, he seems like just another excessively spiritual faithbro that expects cookie cutter solutions with perfect details.

                • jim says:

                  I am automatically suspicious of talk of theosis, suspecting it to be a cover story for converging Christianity to Gnosticism.

                  Time for shill test:

                  Jesus Christ is Lord, born in Bethlehem, died at Jerusalem, and is, is from before the beginning of the world. Fully God and fully man. God is three and God is one.

                  Can you, “A”, say that?

                  Women question test: What is it that we say about the nature of women that makes it unwise to allow them unrestricted choice (or indeed any choice) of sexual partner?

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  >If Interstellar Christian Nationalism needs an Elon Musk, then God will deliver an Elon Musk.

                  Providence has delivered unto the west an Elon Musk; and his name is Elon Musk.

                  Take note of how ‘A’ argues like a skype: ‘sure Musk may be doing all these good things, but may I draw your attention to the fact that he once walked on a piece of land that once had chicken blood spilled on it?’

                • Red says:

                  ” Has he earned a shill test? To me, he seems like just another excessively spiritual faithbro that expects cookie cutter solutions with perfect details.”

                  The Musk fanboy thing is a dead giveaway. It’s leftist shilling 101 on Musk, Trump, etc. He goes right to the oven.

                • Pax Imperialis says:

                  >he seems like just another excessively spiritual faithbro that expects cookie cutter solutions with perfect details.

                  ‘A’ reminds me of some of the semi culturally isolated Christian sects that started to first come into contact with modernity in the 80s to the early 2000s and reacted, understandably, quite badly to what they saw. Instinct took over and they labeled all sorts of things they did not understand as Satanic. Instinct by itself will take one quite far, but instinct without understanding will eventually lead to obsolete threat detection. The result was that they didn’t realize the actual threats like equalism while screeching endlessly about certain book series or games.

                  I’m a little sympathetic towards A’s plight assuming he is being sincere, but it is odd that this type of thing is coming from a self professed Orthodox Christian. Orthodox tend to be more cautious in their caution. A is acting more like an American Evangelical Christian from the 80s. Some of those types are still around although rare. Perhaps A is a recent Orthodox convert?

                • Kunning Druegger says:

                  Jim’s comment regarding theosis seems pertinent. That’s outside my understanding, but entryism via pitting the Perfect against the Good is very much within my understanding, and I laid that charge against him pretty quickly and, as St. John succinctly pointed out, he gave a tiny hat style answer.

                  I think he has posted more than enough religious analysis for the Ortho faction to get a solid read, and Jim invoked the standard shill test, so we shall see. You aren’t always correct Red, but you’re wrong rarely enough that I’m going to err on the side of your judgement. Coming here with a predisposition to hate Trump or Musk seems to be a common mistake of a lot of shills this past year. Do you think our reputation (such as it is or may be) causes Assistant Adjutant Deputies to the Provost Karen, Ch’nikua, and Jose to assume we would all feel that way? Peculiar.

                • The Cominator says:

                  “I am automatically suspicious of talk of theosis, suspecting it to be a cover story for converging Christianity to Gnosticism.”

                  Having watched some Orthobro videos by a pretty based Orthodox Priest (who makes the best damn argument against Sola Scriptura I’ve heard) Father Spyrido Theosis is the process by which an individual Christian should strive to reconcile himself to God. Its not the social role of the Church to provide mass Theosis to non-believers though…

                  He argues against Salvationism and for Theosis by saying that Satan and the Demons perfectly are aware of God and Jesus Christ and yet are unsaved and in rebellion and its very hard to repute that. Being repentant (which the demons are not) is the 1st step, but if you do not strive to stop or at least greatly limit your willful sinning and draw closer to God are you really repentant? Now holiness spiraling against costume parties on Halloween would seem to me to be self righteous and pharasitical and not righteous. Halloween having some connections as a pagan holiday does not make going to a costume party a satanic ritual. I think there are way too many real satanic rituals to deal with now…

                  So there is nothing wrong with Theosis but trying to mass social engineer mass Theosis in a fallen world is of course crazy heretical stupid and against the plan of the scriptures. Purity spiraling over petty shit only brings Christianity into disrepute and drives people off.

                • jim says:

                  Of course there is nothing wrong with theosis, it is is very right (unlike gnosis which is very wrong). But preaching theosis plus while purity spiraling over small stuff unrelated to good conduct in this world is using theosis to evade a Christian’s obligations in this world and to this world.

                  Having official doctrines that go into excessive detail about matters unknowable and incomprehensible to mortals (such as the filoque) is suspiciously close to gnosis.

                • Red says:

                  You aren’t always correct Red, but you’re wrong rarely enough that I’m going to err on the side of your judgement. Coming here with a predisposition to hate Trump or Musk seems to be a common mistake of a lot of shills this past year.

                  It’s not hating Musk or Trump. It was the words he used: Musk fan boy. Leftists use this sort of insult all day long because “Fan Boy” implies A) Male obsessed with another male, IE are you gay for Musk?, B) Incel. It’s a sexual status attack designed to make people shy away from defending Musk, because you don’t want to be identified as a “Fan Boy”.

                  I’m not a an articulate man, but I’m a quite good at pattern matching and putting things together. I’m often surprised when others don’t notice the same sorts of patterns, which is why I warned you about him.

                  In person sexual status attacks will quickly escalate to a fight, not something to be causally tossed around. Not something rightist would use when trying to have an useful debate. That along with his pretty well crafted messages designed to separate people included to support Musk, screams shill.

                  As Saint John noted he’s using slimy Jewish attacks as well. I pegged that as a leftist attack, but he’s right it’s a Skype attack.

                  Thus ‘A’ is a leftist Skype shill.

                  Probably a Soros shill.

                • jim says:

                  My suspicion also. His response (or sudden disappearance) will reveal much.

                • Red says:

                  inclined* not included.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Shills always give themselves away eventually… but one needs some intelligence and memetic sovereignty to recognize it.

                • Kunning Druegger says:

                  It is of never ending fascination to me that our individual strengths, fears, and struggles brought all of us here, and the confederation of our efforts, desires, and disagreements keep us coming back. There is nothing quite like the solidarity that forms between of men of good will.

                  Is the tendency to be insulting/unapproachable a shill tactic? Given our propensity to be casually harsh and insulting for seemingly no “good” reason, I could totally see some CIA hack-analyst giving guidance to shills to be insulting and dismissive based on the redacted excerpts they use to craft methodology lol.

                  “These guys are racist misogynist homophobes so make sure you always respond to any questions with insults and you’ll fit right in.”

                • Pax Imperialis says:

                  >I think he has posted more than enough religious analysis for the Ortho faction to get a solid read

                  I was too fuzzy and the point didn’t make it. I’ll clarify, he doesn’t sound like an Orthodox Christian. He sounds like an 80s Evangelical having a conniption over DnD, which is weird considering those Christians largely don’t exist anymore having been subsumed by modernity (A terrible fate and why I’m sympathetic). But hey, he might be a time capsule from a previous era.

                  However him claiming to be Orthodox is disconcerting like walking into a church expecting to hear Gregorian Chants but hearing Bethel Music instead would be disconcerting… disturbing even. It just don’t feel right.

                  >“Fan Boy” implies…

                  Thanks Red, I tend to hop from one rabbit hole to the next and general culture stuff like that tends to fly over my head on occasion.

                • A says:

                  I don’t have anything else to say. It was pride to think that I had anything worth saying in the first place. Good luck.

                • jim says:

                  Well, what do you know.

                  As expected, unable to pass the shill test.

                  A Jewish leftist, passing as a Christian Orthodox rightist. Or, quite likely, an H1B dot Indian working under the supervision of Jewish leftists on a script written by them.

                • Neofugue says:

                  > Musk can do whatever Musk wants to do. Fuck Musk. I’m hanging shit on u guise 4 being a bunch of buttsniffing fanbois lol gottem lmao

                  Orthodox Christians do not talk like this, even the most clueless of internet neophytes.

                  Based on his writing style, my suspicion is that this is not the first time this shill has commented here, nor will it be the last.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  Clueless alphabet soup intern clumsily trying to ape some of the zingers he’s seen the based drop on here. They just don’t get the Board Culture(tm).

                • Starman says:

                  @A says

                  ”I don’t follow Elon Musk. I don’t know if his prophesies inspire or not.”

                  I know you kikes are not inspired by Mankind conquering the Stars.

                  You jews want Mankind to go extinct and end up yet another victim of the Fermi Paradox.

                • i says:

                  @TheContaminator

                  Sola Scriptura is about holding Scripture supreme. Not the exclusion of the Church Fathers which I consider second only to the Scripture itself.

                  There is more at this link:
                  https://designofprovidence.blogspot.com/2010/12/common-objections-to-sola-scriptura.html

                • BobtheBuilder says:

                  To jump in on this conversation, I want to like rocket man, and very much do like his work on rocketry. However, he has explicitly endorsed the depopulation juice (though I suppose he gets credit for resisting lockdowns), wants to put literal chips in people’s brains, shilled for world government, is associated with the WEF, and his mom does those occult symbols where you cover your left eye that the exceptionally satanic celebrities do.

                  Also, new fake email, new kot, so lets speedrun through the shill tests. I’ve written down this new one to not lose it.

                  Jesus Christ is Lord of All and Savior of those who have Faith in Him and His Sacrifice and Resurrection, born in Bethlehem, died at Jerusalem, crucified by Pontius Pilate at the behest of the Pharisees, and is, is from before the beginning of the world. Fully God and fully man, begotten not made. God is three and God is one.

                  Women are hypergamous but bad decision makers (see the peacock positive feedback loop), and if left to their own devices, will select males that do not necessarily make the best fathers for children, while constantly trying to trade up. Physically this is because of evolution, Spiritually, its because God mandated women to be subservient to men. Marital rape is a self-contradiction foisted upon us to destroy the family.

                  Soros uses his money to destroy white neighborhoods by funding low IQ high time preference thugs (BLM made of blacks, antifa made of whites and latinos). Yoel is a groomer rev 2:9 faggot who turns schoolkids into homonculi and/or covers for those who do because its his sick fantasy.

                • jim says:

                  > To jump in on this conversation, I want to like rocket man, and very much do like his work on rocketry. However, he has explicitly endorsed the depopulation juice.

                  Oh come on. Musk has not taken the jab, he said he would not take the jab, he publicized “misinformation” about the jab, and “endorsed” it under dire threat and coercion.

                  He is a face fag. He cannot speak plainly without being murdered. You have to read between the lines, and between the lines, what he meant was entirely clear.

                  The technology he is developing could easily be used for all manner of extremely evil purposes – but that does not necessarily imply he intends those evil purposes. Rather, he is going to where the power is.

                • BobtheBuilder says:

                  https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1379887294933467139?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

                  He said he took it. Perhaps he is lying, and I hope for his sake that he is lying, or if he is not lying, he got the “safe” dose. However, I suppose me saying that he “endorsed” it was a bit harsh, given that he opposes the mandate.

                  While it may be argued that his ties to WEF and endorsement of world government are just Havel’s Greengrocer, and his mom being weird is “pure coincidence” or thoughtless imitation, Neuralink, in this age of mass surveillance and everything having to be IOT so glowies can hack it, is evil.

                • jim says:

                  > He said he took it.

                  After he said he would not take it. He is saying contradictory things while signaling he is being coerced into saying them. He is in a more vulnerable position than I am.

                  His ostensible message is that the jab is safe and effective, but his actual message is that it is unsafe and ineffective, and he is being forced to lie about it. Facefags always lie, but he is signaling his lies.

                • BobtheBuilder says:

                  Plausible. Thank you for the insight, and I hope that you are correct.

                • Pax Imperialis says:

                  > He is saying contradictory things

                  About himself he has been contradictory about vaccination. It’s fairly likely most of his family were vaccinated, likely against his will. A good thing he has many spares.

                • User481 says:

                  @Jim

                  I was A. I tried to change my pseudonym but I made a mistake and chose one that someone else was using. Here is a new one. Please delete the old one.

                  Shill test:

                  Jesus Christ is Lord, born in Bethlehem, died at Jerusalem, and is, is from before the beginning of the world. Fully God and fully man. God is three and God is one*.

                  *The nature or essence of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is one, as also the force and the power; a consubstantial Trinity, one Godhead to be worshipped in three subsistences or Persons.

                  Woman question test: You say that the instincts women use to choose a sexual partner evolved a few million years ago*, when it made sense to choose the most openly violent ape in the jungle. We no longer live in the jungle, but in a civilization, which is fragile. Letting women choose the men they want would, through the heritability of traits*, result in the births of ever more violent and thuggish men. Such men cannot sustain this civilization.

                  *I am not here taking a position either way on things like an old universe and Darwinian evolution.

                  @Neofugue

                  Forgive me.

                  @Neofugue
                  @Pax Imperialis
                  https://orthodoxchurchfathers.com/fathers/npnf214/npnf2213.htm#P5571_1184464

                  If anyone shall not confess that the Word of God has two nativities, the one from all eternity of the Father, without time and without body; the other in these last days, coming down from heaven and being made flesh of the holy and glorious Mary, Mother of God and always a virgin, and born of her: let him be anathema.

                  Was Mary always a virgin?

                • jim says:

                  Mathew states that Mary was a virgin until she gave birth, and that Joseph and Mary thereafter had the normal and proper relationship of husband and wife.

                  Perpetual virginity is an attack on marriage, on the authority of husbands, and is contrary to scripture.

                • User481 says:

                  @Jim

                  I repeat myself. This is heresy. The Capitula of the Second Council of Constantinople, or Fifth Ecumenical Council, of 553, linked above, declares that whoever does not confess that Mary is always a virgin shall be anathema, that is, outside of the Church.

                • jim says:

                  Did they now?

                  I am pretty sure that they did not, but that the Lavender Mafia wishes they had.

                • BobtheBuilder says:

                  @User481
                  What makes you think arcane dogmas of the 6th century are relevant? I’m sure they made that pronouncement as a shill test to sniff out 6th century entryists, but it is massively depreciated against the current batch that threaten your church (ie the Pussy Riot fellow travelers).

                  Also, that “shill test” of yours doesn’t even work, most people here aren’t Orthodox, especially not the superficial meme spouting type that get bored after six months and go look for a new identity to latch on to, although we admire the Russian Orthodox Church standing up to the Global Libtard Menace and its demons.

                • Anon says:

                  BaghdadBob: Most people here might not actually be Orthodox/ Eastern Orthodox, but most people claim to support the Russian Orthodox Church and affiliated churches/ *true* Eastern Orthodoxy as the one true Church. People are constantly supporting it even if they are not practicing Eastern Orthodox Christians etc.

                • Pax Imperialis says:

                  If anyone shall not confess that the Word of God has two nativities, the one from all eternity of the Father, without time and without body; the other in these last days, coming down from heaven and being made flesh of the holy and glorious Mary, Mother of God and always a virgin, and born of her: let him be anathema.

                  >Was Mary always a virgin?

                  >I repeat myself. This is heresy. The Capitula of the Second Council of Constantinople, or Fifth Ecumenical Council, of 553, linked above, declares that whoever does not confess that Mary is always a virgin shall be anathema, that is, outside of the Church.

                  You are digging up ancient Christian theological history you barely understand.

                  Read what you quoted again. It’s directly about having to confess the two nativities and not about the perpetual virgin (aeiparthenos). Aeiparthenos is incidental and was not made in reference to a direct discussion of Mary’s virginity therefore lacking a dogmatic definition. While aeiparthenos is a common Orthodox belief, it is not essential to confess.

                  St. Basil, one of the 3 Hierarchs (means he’s important) of the Orthodox Church, did not consider aeiparthenos a dogma either. It was the Catholics with their Four Marian Dogmas that made aeiparthenos a necessary belief. That you, a self professed Orthodox Christian, would attempt to weaponize belief or lack of in aeiparthenos indicates you are not Orthodox. It points to Catholicism which leaves me perplexed because just a while ago you were behaving rather retro-Evangelical with a touch of 80s America. It’s like your views are based on a caricature.

                • jim says:

                  Exactly so. Jews think Christians are ignorant and stupid, so he is just throwing anything at the wall to see if something capable of causing trouble will stick.

                • Starman says:

                  @User481

                  Here’s an obfuscation-proof multiple choice RedPill on Women Question for you:

                  Complete the following sentence:
                  Women misbehave because –
                  [A] Capitalism makes them misbehave, by economically incentivizing reckless high time-reference behavior over long-term planning. The capitalist class benefits from one night stands and sterility, as it benefits from third world immigration of spendthrift cheap labor to replace frugal Whites. If it weren’t for capitali$m, women would totally be completely sinless angels.
                  [B] The (((jews))) make these totally innocent angels misbehave, since the jews own the media and the entire entertainment industry from Hollywood down to the tiniest pornography studio, and use them to direct propaganda at women, telling them to fuck Blacks and lowlifes. There’s no way that pure White women desire to be on OnlyFans to whore for money. The jews forced these angels on that website.
                  [C] Sorry, but this is a misleading question. Women don’t misbehave at all. All misbehavior is done by men, who are vile pigs.
                  [D] Lecherous men make them misbehave, since men are ultimately responsible for all female behavior (including misbehavior), and unlike women, men have self-control and moral agency. Thus it logically follows that any female misbehavior would merely reflect bad decisions taken by irresponsible and lustful men. It is men’s fault entirely, so men must be forced to pay for every bad decision done by any random women.
                  [E] They are feral, blindly following ancient instincts from prehistoric times, which instincts tell them to cruise for rape by alpha male Chads, and to resist kicking-and-screaming all attempts to restrain them from pursuing alpha male Chads. Stable monogamy has always been a way to allow each man to own a woman so each man can start a family and raise a future generation for civilization’s survival.

                • Kunning Druegger says:

                  I got this, A.

                  Your honor, and may it please the court, I am here today representing my pro bono client A, aka User481 aka that relentless faggot not taking the hint. My client is accused of faggotry in the first degree as well as possession of a penis with intent to fempoast. He also stands accused of unlicensed shillory dillory and three counts of niggnoggery, two in the second degree and one in the first.

                  Your honor, I move that all charges be dropped if my client agrees to mandatory non-poasting probation for a period of no less than 3 months and no more than 6 months as well as a written apology to the court as proxy for the defamed and annoyed. Your honor, my client is a retard, and I am not going to waste your time arguing otherwise, but we have signed affidavits from to jew doctors and his fat ass mom that he’s always been this way and he really doesn’t mean to act more retarded than he actually is. Respectfully your honor, what we have here is a case of inadvertent shilling based on faulty preconceived notions regarding IQ, articulation capacity, and grasp of subject matter. Your honor, if we’re going to lock up every retard with a keyboard, I’m getting out of the law field and moving into prison construction business *pauses for the laugh that never comes* *ahem* Your honor, move to strike and the accused be ROR’d with the afore mentioned probation and a written apology.

  28. restitutor_orbis says:

    This Christmas, The wife and I were invited by a Catholic friend of hours to join his family at midnight mass at their local Catholic Church.

    The church was full. The chorus was largely older people, but the crowd itself was not; it had a number of families and there were a number of teenagers and twentysomethings independently present. The Gen Z were surprisingly devout, kneeling and praying at least at an equal rate to their parents. Almost nobody was wearing a mask.

    The priest’s homily was about the struggle between Light and Darkness, without any overtones of woke ideology. The music was beautiful and traditional Christmas hymns devoted to Christ.

    The churchgoers were perhaps only 60-70% white, with a large number of asians and hispanics present. There was no racial tension as far as I could tell; the only notable difference was that the asians tended to be masked while everyone else was not. I am not sure whether to interpret this as a sign of the church’s ability to transcend racial divides or just evidence of our declining demographics, or perhaps both.

    Overall, it was spiritually renewing and gave some cause for hope. Merry Christmas to all!

    • Red says:

      >I am not sure whether to interpret this as a sign of the church’s ability to transcend racial divides

      If the Asians and Hispanics where all sitting in the same groups separate from white then the progressive magic isn’t working on them. I suggest you think more anti-racism thoughts to combat that racial divided 🙃

      >The Gen Z were surprisingly devout, kneeling and praying at least at an equal rate to their parents.

      The church going rate for Gen Z is 25% and dropping. The schools fed them a new religion of trannyism and the Christian church has refused to fight it. They’ve either adopted the new religion or out of despair they’ve dropped out of a religion that refuses to call out evil.

      • jim says:

        > The schools fed them a new religion of trannyism and the Christian church has refused to fight it. They’ve either adopted the new religion or out of despair they’ve dropped out of a religion that refuses to call out evil.

        That is exactly the problem.

      • makmak says:

        from catholic mass in rural central idaho, as red-state as it gets: noticed proliferation of african priests in predominantly german-american farming community. There are otherwise close to zero blacks here, maybe 1 or 2 mullattos who work at the grocery store.

        started noticing same thing in other similar areas of PNW; klamath falls, rogue valley.

        turns out it’s a trend? From voice of america, wonder what’s behind this:
        https://www.voanews.com/a/us-catholic-church-recruit-african-priest/3071204.html

    • The Cominator says:

      The thing with going to a Catholic Church you’re going to an enemy church (the Jesuits are nominally Catholic and back when voting mattered they supported Democrats), specifically condemned in Revealations, and the priest is probably a faggot.

      • Fidelis says:

        Having attended quite a few churches involved in quite a few hierarchical structures now, my determination is that it’s the work of a local man that matters the most. Perhaps given a longer timespan, a gay leadership far away causes problems, but whether or not a local church is based has always seemed to be caused by a based pastor. Almost all churches have gay leaders now, the question has become how far away are they. I wouldn’t discount a local Catholic church out of hand, before visiting a service.

        • The Cominator says:

          Theoretically I suppose a Catholic priest can be based other than the whole being associated with the Catholic Church thing is, but the problem is that by going to a Catholic church especially when you go regularly you are supporting the enemies of yourself, your nation and God.

          • Fidelis says:

            The normie is an enormously stubburn creature. If they identify as Catholic, if they have had this identity in their bloodline going back to before their family name was first put down, they are not going to go to some other church. The best you might expect is some rebellious scism like SSPX, or like how SSPX was. In such cases I am slow to condemn, at least they have misguided loyalty, at least they are attempting to commune with God and his Son. I would rather someone with good teaching or based instincts be part of an okay church with far away gay leaders, than avoid going altogether. In the former cases at least, there is some chance of connecting with others, with resisting the faggotry, or at least being capable of pointing it out before becoming forced out.

            • jim says:

              > The normie is an enormously stubburn creature. If they identify as Catholic, if they have had this identity in their bloodline going back to before their family name was first put down, they are not going to go to some other church.

              The normie is not going to any Church. The mainstream Churches, the priest who cannot say groomer, are vanishing.

              The mainstream Churches are vanishing because they have been converged to an officially unofficial statge faith hostile to Christianity. We will converge them to Christianity, on the model of Established Church of England from 1660 to 1800

            • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

              The normie is by definition the *opposite* of stubborn; they do not cleave to ideals for ay principled reason; any moment they sense the winds of validation flipping one way or another, they flip with them.

              This is a major impetus behind the cycles of civilization; it only takes a moment of narrative sway by insanity to undo 500 years of precedent.

              • The Cominator says:

                Normies are in two big categories here…

                NPC narrative followers and boomer normiecons

                The former follows authority mindlessly, the boomer type of normiecon otoh IS enormously stubborn.

                • Jehu says:

                  The typical boomer normiecon never really groks the fact that it’s not the 70s and 80s anymore, just like some of their parents (nearly all deceased now) were still voting for JFK when they pulled the lever a decade or two ago. They still stubbornly cling to the respect for institutions (that were considerably more respectable in the 70s and 80s) that Gen X and later have let go of. That’s why, IMO most of them took the jabs. Only the most paranoid of that generation were half as paranoid as they should be.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Not even most gen xers can let go of “Reagans America” entirely to the point theyre okay with a Sulla marching on DC. I used boomer loosely.

                  In general normiecon NPCs are stubborn… narrative leftist NPCs are malleable to whoever controls the narrative.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  The phenotype of low world-formation capacity, yet also reflexively conservative by temperament – and thus, generally, ‘conservative’ about whatever contingencies where exemplary in the zeitgeist at the time they were teenagers – certainly exists; but is itself not so common either, for such a word like ‘normal’ to really properly apply (though certain demographics of course lean more towards this in kind than others).

                • Jehu says:

                  Gen X normiecons don’t grok that they can’t get back to the 80s through electoral means. There’s a huge constituency for getting back to the lesser insanity of the 1980s, it shows in the popularity of 80s rock and the election of Trump in 2016. But it won’t be allowed to win peacefully. We can’t vote our way out of this.

                  Most of them also can’t grok the fact that if you can’t plausibly control an institution, you have to utterly destroy it. The thought of disbanding public education and a state’s college system is still largely unthinkable to them. Likely they remember how much fun college was in the 80s and 90s when they were there, and political correctness was something pretty much everybody mocked rather than kowtowed in fear to.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Gen X normiecons grasp the depth of the corruption more…

                  But its unthinkful for them to think they need to burn the whole f#cking system down…

                • Jehu says:

                  You see the Gen-X normiecon reaction in DeSantis thinking he can basically ban CRT in the schools in Florida. He can’t, unless he’s willing to go scorched earth on the whole institution and fire tons of people without ‘due process’, and then rehire groups of people to teach without any pretense of ‘fairness’. If either of those buzzwords are emotional attachments, you basically can’t do what needs done. It’s an improvement over boomer normiecon-ism, and might have been enough deployed 30 years ago, but it’s inadequate to the current day. Now it’s possible that he’s not a Normiecon of the Gen-X variety and simply pushing the envelope as much as is possible within electoral realities within the state of Florida, where I think he’s the best governor they’ve had in at least 50 years.

                • The Cominator says:

                  DeSantis was a gen x normiecon, since about September 2020 i think he isnt anymore.

                • Jehu says:

                  It’s hard to say where DeSantis stands exactly. I guess in his place I’d make it hard as hell too to figure out. His creation of the Florida guard—his own fighting Uruk Hai per the Babylon Bee–is encouraging.

                  I visited Florida again this year, like I do many years. I can say that large sections of Florida have gotten more respectable since the 80s and the 90s. One area I went through used to be kind of ghetto in the 80s and now it’s fairly decent. It’s still mostly a black area, but it’s the sort of place you don’t have to be ashamed of—I didn’t even see significant amounts of litter or evidence of tagging, or anything like that. It is obvious that the local police there are keeping order pretty successfully. Ironically, Florida Man may be the hidden superhero there. By very ostentatiously taking attention from law enforcement, it makes it look like the Florida police departments aren’t ‘picking on black people’ mostly. It’s probably not a true perception, I’d wager at least half of the crime in Florida is by blacks, but in the zeitgeist, when people think of crime in Florida, they think about ‘Florida Man’. Whatever the Florida Police departments are doing, they’re doing something right.

                • Jehu says:

                  Another note from an earlier trip to Florida a few years ago.

                  The city cops I met in Florida were actually not assholes. I got pulled over in my rental car on the way back to the airport really late at night. I had a burned out light over my license plate was the reason.

                  When the officer verified I wasn’t a wanted man and that I was driving a rental car, he told me just to tell the rental car company about the burned out bulb for replacement and sent me on my way. He’d have been well within his rights to ticket me for it, I was responsible for the vehicle despite it being a short term rental, but he didn’t (and given that I wasn’t local, the chances of a challenge on my part were negligible, which is why traffic officers normally love to ticket out of towners).

        • jim says:

          The Vatican have been gay demon worshipers for quite a while and this slowly percolates down to the local Churches. Takes a while, multi generational process.

      • restitutor_orbis says:

        The friend who invited me is the most based and redpilled person I know locally, and he became much moreso after becoming a devout Catholic. So whatever they teach in the homilies there is, at the minimum, not antithetical to that. There’s still some based Catholics, though the mostly mutter that Francis isn’t the real pope.

        My own religious views are closer to 4th century Constantinian Christianity than to contemporary Catholic or Protestant. Taking it back to the ’20s, the 320s.

        • Jehu says:

          I feel the pain of the Latin Mass Catholics. They’re having the screws put to them pretty seriously by this ‘Pope’. I remember when “Is the Pope Catholic?” was a punchline. Unfortunately for them, they’re also disproportionately the sorts that respect the authority of the Pope. Most Catholics are de facto Protestants (I am a Protestant, as I do not recognize the authority of the Pope in general over all Christendom, and particularly do not recognize THIS pope).

        • A2 says:

          Given that the Pope Benedict XVI is still alive, they have a point.

          Francis in an interview mentioned being in therapy (while being Bergoglio in Argentina, I believe). That made the warning bells clang loudly.

          Still, the church has outlasted quite a lot of bad popes. Here’s to it outlasting the impostor too.

  29. Cloudswrest says:

    Great Russian anti-LGBTHIV+ Christmas themed video. Daily Mail tries to spin it as a bad thing.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11566339/Santa-Putin-features-anti-West-propaganda-video-Russia.html

  30. notglowing says:

    Have a laugh at our enemies’ expense because it’s Christmas:

    https://i.imgur.com/cX0374b.png

    Quite literally, the bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy

    Samuel Santos Jr, Associate Vice Provost of Inclusion, Community and Integrative Learning

    A sad vignette

    • Pax Imperialis says:

      I’m not laughing at this. They are not only effectively tracking association, but demanding permission. This is Stasi type surveillance and not simply bureaucracy for the sake of bureaucracy. Once this gets rolled out in the colleges it will be rolled out through out K-12 education. From education every other part of daily life.

      • notglowing says:

        > Once this gets rolled out in the colleges it will be rolled out through out K-12 education.

        This is possible because the students live at the college dorms. Most likely that’s why the parties need to be authorized by the college as they happen on their property.
        Otherwise it is completely unenforceable. It can’t happen with K-12 education.

        • jim says:

          Child protective services.

          You are mistreating your child if he insufficiently exposed to diversity. Getting beaten up by blacks and raped by faggots is essential to his mental health. If not adequately exposed to diversities, might grow up racist, and, even worse, straight.

    • yewotm8 says:

      Correct me if I’m wrong, but does it not imply that you can’t have a party without tokens? You’ll need to have some negros there who only get invited to fill the quota?

      • notglowing says:

        Didn’t see that mentioned. Sure, given who is doing this, they might end up enforcing quotas, but I doubt they’re doing it right now.

        When the bureaucrat is saying they want parties to be “safe and inclusive” and that they require “collaboration and honesty” I doubt his brain was even connected. It’s a canned line they could and would say about absolutely anything they are asked about.

        • jim says:

          When a bureaucrat says he will be enforcing quotas, he will be. Going to need a gay, a transsexual, and numerous blacks.

    • Anonymous Fake says:

      After the post-2008 worthless degree phenomenon, it’s unreal that Zoomers sign up for college (or at least Western college) and that colleges keep pushing the envelope. There’s no rational reason for this to happen at all. They won’t even give the college kids permission to party at this point, whereas a generation ago they were just very strict about drinking under 21 and even that was tyrannous, in retrospect…

  31. Trump 2024 says:

    Merry Christmas to all shills.

    From your favorite President:

    “Merry Christmas to EVERYONE, including the Radical Left Marxists that are trying to destroy our Country, the Federal Bureau of Investigation that is illegally coercing & paying Social and LameStream Media to push for a mentally disabled Democrat over the Brilliant, Clairvoyant, and USA LOVING Donald J. Trump, and, of course, The Department of Injustice, which appointed a Special “Prosecutor” who, together with his wife and family, HATES “Trump” more than any other person on earth. LOVE TO ALL!”

    https://twitter.com/ElectionWiz/status/1606797018764115975

  32. Western Taliban says:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11566339/Santa-Putin-features-anti-West-propaganda-video-Russia.html

    Hahaha Russia is reaching unfathomable levels of based for Christmas: Santa Putin saving a little boy from faggots.

    • Jehu says:

      I loved that propaganda video. Santa Putin setting all to right in that house, even putting up a crucifix on the wall to replace all the globohomo propaganda.

  33. SomeDude says:

    Merry Christmas Gentlemen. I’ve learnt a lot from being here. I’ve benefitted a lot from being here.

    • simplyconnected says:

      Merry Christmas SomeDude. So have I, thank you all.

    • Eternal Lurker says:

      Merry Christmas! Thank you Jim and all the commentariot.

      Regards,

      All the lurkers

    • Kunning Drueger says:

      Merry Christmas you sandniggers, you dago faggots, you trannie larping indigents, you child molesting tarantula fuckers, you slovenly sluts of salacious sentiment, you cantankerous cuckolds of common capacity, you never-based bitchmade baby bottle black assholes, you sterile scum twice vaxxed and thrice boosted, you childless larp-whores, you cum sucking daemons, you zoomer faggot not-Nazis, you bootlicking cocksucking not-fucking eunuchs.

      In addition to the federal government shills, I’d also like to wish a very merry Christmas to all men of good will.

      • SomeDude says:

        I wish merry Christmas exclusively to men of Goodwill which necessarily includes those who would abide by the peace of westphalia —> Christianity for the west, Hinduism for India.

        I don’t want evil people to ever be merry at all.

    • Neurotoxin says:

      Merry late Christmas, biznatches.

  34. Pax Imperialis says:

    I’ve heard “merry Christmas” twice this year. Once in public from a gas station clerk past midnight, and once in private conversation with an officer. You’d think the phrase was taboo with how rare it’s becoming. What was once a fairly ubiquitous public saying of palpable spirit has been replaced by a vacuous hollow “happy holidays.”

    This has been a weird year, and for some perhaps a tough year, yet nevertheless another year to celebrate a birth and the many blessings which came forth. Although for not entirely pure reasons, I wish y’all a merry Christmas this weekend… yes, the shills too because I know they recoil from the phrase.

    • Red says:

      Merry Christmas Pax.

    • Adam says:

      Merry Christmas Jimbros.

    • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

      Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night. God bless you, gentlemen.

    • The Cominator says:

      Merry Christmas and may all our future years be happier than this one.

    • Contaminated NEET says:

      Merry Christmas and Peace on Earth to Men of Good Will.

    • Western Taliban says:

      Merry Christmas and for even better years to come.

    • notglowing says:

      Merry Christmas

    • simplyconnected says:

      Merry Christmas to all of you.

    • A2 says:

      Merry Christmas.

    • alf says:

      Merry Christmas frens, thanks for being here.

    • Redbible says:

      I think it’s important to point this out, since I myself had been for the longest time brainwashed in the the “Happy holidays” crowd, simply from what I learned in the public schools and the media. Only after it’s pointed out did I change my behavior.

      Also, Merry Christmas to everyone (that isn’t a shill).

    • Encelad says:

      Merry Christmas to you all and thank you for helping me preserving sanity in Clown World.

    • Fidelis says:

      Merry Christmas.

      God loves you all.

    • kawaii_kike says:

      Merry Christmas!

    • yewotm8 says:

      Merry Christmas!

    • Ex says:

      Merry Christmas. Rejoice!

    • S says:

      Merry Christmas.

    • Kunning Drueger says:

      Merry Christmas Jimians. This was a tough year, but it was also pretty fucking based if you look at it with the right kind of eyes. A lot of wins, too many losses. This year was a big fucking tee up for what’s coming ’round the riverbend.

      I want to extend a very special thank you to our dear host. You’ve made us into something more, sir. You’ve animated our minds in a singular way. You’ve opened eyes and hardened hearts, and you’ve taught many of us to listen to that still, small voice.

      On behalf of everyone here, Merry Christmas Jim. God bless and keep you and yours.

  35. notglowing says:

    Something I have sadly noticed time and time again is that pretty much every place of public discussion among right wing minded people online is very vulnerable to shills, half truths and purple pills that misdirect people.

    Because there is no real agreed upon common truth, and indeed often little concrete agreement except opposition to the establishment, all you need to do is throw in some true and publicly controversial ideas that the readers already agree on and you can convince them of nonsense without them even realizing it.

    It’s true pretty much everywhere *except* here, and it isn’t the case here simply because Jim is good at calling people out and making sense of things.
    I am convinced most shills are in fact not even knowingly shills but people who absorbed shill messaging.

    Exhibit A and B here are 4chan posts that should serve as an example of what I mean:
    https://i.imgur.com/FCnCUPB.png
    https://i.imgur.com/2aKJh5L.jpg

    I’ve seen these specific screenshots many times before, with most reactions generally being of strong agreement – after all the narrative does contain truths they already know, which also makes it hard to argue against.
    Reading it gives me a general feeling of unease similar to reading posts by Fake.

    • alf says:

      Same thing on gab.

      The number one problem we face are shills. The number two problem is an inability to cooperate.

      I am unclear as how to solve these problems. Well I have a sort of model, it’s just not very optimistic for the short term.

      Say we can condense all the important stuff from here in a pill — the Clear Pill. Can we spread the Clear Pill to others? I’ve come to the conclusion; no, not really. Parts maybe, but other parts not. The way this works is, you have to come seek the Clear Pill yourself. People who come here voluntarily, seeking this knowledge, they will Get It. Forcefeeding it to outsiders; it just doesn’t work.

      It’s just something about our wiring I guess: we’re all monkeys hardwired to be king of the hill. Jim’s Blog is just one monkey tribe claiming king of the hill.

      But its claims work out long term much better than any other monkey tribe I’ve seen. I wouldn’t be returning here year after year if I didn’t see the fruits of these ideas add up in my own life, and the vice versa results of demon worship in other people’s lives. It’s a show, don’t tell kind of thing.

      How does that scale? Well, slowly. Think, Barron Trump or his future children slowly.

      • jim says:

        Large scale cooperation to achieve power under long term chaotic and violent conditions would be a private military corporation that was a sovereign corporation.

        As more optimistic scenarios look less and less likely, looks like the path forward is through large scale cooperation mediated by the blockchain. First a blockchain that supports private communication, then supports private transactions and unlimited scaling (which we have very recently discovered how to accomplish) and then sovereign corporations. Once sovereign corporations are a thing, sovereign military corporations will ensue.

        But this does not directly address the issue of large scale cooperation to accomplish conditions conducive to reproduction, which is the most urgent and important problem.

        • alf says:

          this does not directly address the issue of large scale cooperation to accomplish conditions conducive to reproduction.

          You give yourself too little credit. Yes, I would lie if I say the lack of such a framework is not hurting. Ask my opinion on boomers helping out with their grandchildren.

          But just to have a healthy relationship with the wife — it is honestly over half, if not most of the battle.

          looks like the path forward is through large scale cooperation mediated by the blockchain.

          Looking forward to this kind of operation..

        • Profundity Enjoyer says:

          The solution is a genius altruist King that understands all of it.

          When such a man emerges, we have to follow him. Only then will we be coordinated enough to succeed.

          • The Ducking Man says:

            King does not just pop out of nowhere. Functional priesthood need to be established to declare his title as king, potential ministry need to prepared. If you plan on outcompeting a state need to be prepared operating as state.

            Seeing that counter culture cannot even agree on anything let alone having functional priesthood. I don’t think progress going to be made even if Jesus himself descent from the sky.

            • Adam says:

              The priesthood doesn’t establish a king.

              Watch any sporting event, the referees are the priesthood. They serve the king by keeping the competition cooperative. They follow the king they do not lead.

              • The Ducking Man says:

                The priesthood starts from the likes of NBA and NFL. Referee is merely officiating the game based on NBA and NFL guideline.

                If you follow sport, you know the first rule of being athlete is to not picking a bone with league before drafted because being super star athlete starts from being recognized by the league.

                There might a kid in africa with talent of Lula Doncic but if the NBA doesn’t include him in draft choice, what is he gonna do? play in africa league and had to work 2 jobs to afford living?

            • Redbible says:

              This got me thinking, even though the amount of us who post here with at least semi-regularity at not many, we know that the memes from here are spreading, and are finding reasonable acceptance from the christian nationalist right. So although we are a small priesthood right now, we have some amount of credibility. (and if you look at if from the cathedral’s point of view, we are a real threat, since we offer a pure truth that counters their lies.)

              With that in mind, if a certain man ever showed up that showed willingness to fight the cathedral (with actual violence) as well as showed that they are Jim tier christian, In theory, one of us (willing to risk their life) could live stream meeting this certain man, and anoint him “King of the American Empire, in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. May Jesus Christ guide your/his every action.”

              Obviously, if anyone of us ever did this, you will need to run fast, and have a good plan of action of how to hide and stay low for a long time until the chosen man can secure somewhere safe enough for you to go out in the open. (Also give us enough warning time to be able to help spread the live stream link, and also record it, encase it gets shut down to quickly.)

              (*the reason it should be American Empire, and not the USA is two fold. One is that USA will leave too many thinking that we’ll go back to democracy. Second is that USA just means the states, but American Empire could mean that or it could also mean anything that the GAE currently controls, thus leaving it open ended room for what they are being blessed to grab in the name of God.)

              • notglowing says:

                I always imagined it might be called the Holy American Empire.

                Empire for all the reasons you described, and Holy both to signify the break from the past, with a new emphasis on Christianity, but also as a nod to the original Holy Roman Empire, as it would be to the (dead) republic what HRE was to the (dead) RE.

            • Profundity Enjoyer says:

              There’s a priesthood forming around HBD people.

      • The Cominator says:

        The fact that leftism is so difficult to solve once it becomes embedded in institutions until it burns away everything is why we have to be thorough and ruthless about wiping them out when we get the chance.

        As the holocaust is legend and an object of almost supernatural fear among echoes so must there be supernatural fear among all people in the future about what becoming a leftist means.

      • The Ducking Man says:

        > The number one problem we face are shills. The number two problem is an inability to cooperate.

        I am unclear as how to solve these problems. Well I have a sort of model, it’s just not very optimistic for the short term.

        It’s fairly simple IMHO. For starter, reactionary intellects should agrees on things they all could agree. For example they might disagree 70% of topics, for the 30% they all agree on there has to common statement, letter for letter, everyone speaking same term on same definition.

        “This our statement regarding women on topic …”

        From there, people on lower realm only need to to copy paste into their memory whatever the likes of Jim have written on 30% of topics they all agree on. Shills are identifiable because they speak even slight deviation from the official statement.

        Outsider should have clear idea of the group stance on certain topics. Problem is even outsider like me don’t know what Jim and Moldbug agree on because there is nitpicks they disagree.

        Disclaimer: I’m not intellect, and honestly speaking I’ve been losing my faith, hence I’m speaking as outsider.

        • alf says:

          For starter, reactionary intellects should agrees on things they all could agree. For example they might disagree 70% of topics, for the 30% they all agree on there has to common statement, letter for letter, everyone speaking same term on same definition.

          In theory you are absolutely correct. I also emphasize that we do not have to agree on everything in order to be on the same team. But there has to be a sense of ‘being on the same team.’ That is the tricky part. For instance, I doubt even Moldbug and Jim consider themselves to be on the same team.

          As Jim would say, whites are wolves to other whites. Getting men to cooperate is a non-trivial problem.

          • Fidelis says:

            The 13 Precepts of James the Wise

            • The Cominator says:

              Precepts of Reactionary Governance:

              Section 1: Basics of the principles of the state and of state religion:

              Where there is a state there is always also a state religion, the state religion can be either formal, informal but known, or covert

              Freedom of thought outside the state religion and the elite can be allowed to a large degree, but allowing free thought within the state religion and the elite will allow malefactors to subvert and destroy your state. The state religion should be setup as a perfectly prosocial machine at the foundation of the state and from then on all attempts to change it should be violently repressed.

              Outsider religions can be allowed outside the elite however some religions like Islam (especially the Orthodox Sunni variety), Roman Catholicism (Ultramonatism Jesuits etc) and Tikkum Olam type reform Judiasm are inherently subversive and should be gradually eradicated.

              Members of the elite should be monitored when they communicate with foreign elites so as to not have them try to subvert the state.

              Outright demon worshipping religions like all forms of Leftism, the Jesuit Order, Wahabbist type Islam etc. should be wiped out immediately and with all the violence and bloodshed necessary. In the case of the Jesuit order the state should do all it can to impose their suppression and extermination upon foreign states as well.

              As long as a population exist… power over it is neither created nor destroyed but simply transfered

              Governments whatever the details are can be autocratic, oligarchic or democratic

              Democracy may be somewhat effectively exercised over a small homogenous cohesive and virtuous population but it absolutely does not scale, sovereignity over a large or heterogeneous body can only be exercised by either one man or by an oligarchy

              All theoretical Democracies over large and/or heterogeneous states are therefore occulted oligarchies and Democracies at all

              Occulted governments are in fact less accountable than governments that are openly oligarchy or autocratic as they have the illusion of consent

              Entropic forces of social decay can only be effectively checked with an autocratic government, one man can be virtuous and to some degree impose virtue if he has the power to do so (Imposing virtue is not to be confused with moralfagging Victorian and Progressive legislation) whereas the moral and intellectual character of an oligarchic elite with no king or ruler over them will inevitably decay over time.

              Section 2: On proper governance of the state:

              Good government is fundamentally about structuring good incentives and backing private violence against malefactors, government organized violence should be used sparingly against large scale threats.

              Property rights and capitalism are natural, overt government interference with property is inefficient unnatural and done too much will create a bureaucrat class that will tend to devour the state.

              High trust society requires that fraud and corruption be punished very consistently and harshly without respect to persons…

              Taxation is best done via a Land Value Tax and Revenue Tariffs, neither income nor transactions within the state should be taxed.

              Credit however has to be controlled by the government and thus it should be for productive uses only not mere speculation. Loans to develop and build new buildings are fine, loans to buy an existing building or house are not.

              Money should be gold, silver fully backed certificates of such or crypto…

              Women are not adapted to freedom and subconsciously do not want it, their sexual attraction is to unsuitable anti social and often very evil men. Therefore emancipating women is dysgenic and enfranchising them is cancerous.

              Furthermore good fellowship among men requires secure property rights in women.

              Good fellowship among men also requires that they be allowed to repress homosexual behavior. And homosexuals will tend to try to rape and molest boys and as such violence against open homosexuals should be considered prosocial violence.

              Women should be married off shortly after puberty. If the father fails to do so by a certain age they may be subject to legal elopement or running off to red light district.

              As men are not angels there is a place for degenerate behavior and it is red light districts

              Men not of criminal character should be not only allowed but encouraged to be armed, a state that fears men of good character in arms is badly governed by bad people

              Section 3: On governing different races:

              Good fences make good neighbors and diversity + proximity often means war

              As such seperate races should mostly live in seperate millets governed locally by their own people and in charge of providing their own municipal services

              Outsider people (who do not have a high rank from the King or Emperor, or a commission to enter) will need permission to enter into the millet

              Millets (and red light districts) should be the only form of zoning allowed by the state…

              As mixing freely is sometimes necessary for commerce some trading cities may allow multiple groups inside but this should not be universal.

              On credentialism:

              Credentialism should be forbidden by the state it should merely be a matter for the market to sort out.

    • Red says:

      > I am convinced most shills are in fact not even knowingly shills but people who absorbed shill messaging.

      They’re paid to post. Most shilling is gas lighting very few people believe shills enough to repeat the shill script. The thing you’re observing is a shill using multiple accounts or having multiple shills build a shill comment block. This gives the impression they’re separate people but the comments in the block are clearly designed to fit together like legos.

      I saw them start this up on reddit years ago and the comment blocks have grown increasingly complex and natural like, but it’s still the same microphone hooked up to 10,000 speakers.

      • jim says:

        > the comments in the block are clearly designed to fit together like legos.

        And refuse to fit with genuine organic comments. The objective is to gaslight everyone into thinking that they are alone.

        We have penetration. We are not alone. Observe for example the widespread refusal to take the jab. Random normies see it as dangerous and foolish, they notice large numbers of healthy young people dying suddenly of “unknown causes” and know the cause.

        They are about to abandon their fake jab consensus, because it is untenable, but they are still trying to project the proposition that the people who object to the jab are just an insignificant minority of crazies, and they were also trying to inject stupid ignorant fake anti jab memes, the vaccine equivalent of flat earth and Rothschilds, for example “viruses do not exist” – trying to make those who refuse to worship the holy and awesome Covid demon look like a tiny handful of ignorant stupid crazies – they inject fake memes to muddy the water and distract people from what actually matters.

        • Red says:

          I hate the counter a true meme with retarded level meme game they play. That movie Suddenly Died was a major push on that front. The Suddenly Died meme was making massive inroads and they fucking destroyed it by with that fake piece of crap. There doesn’t appear to be a good defense against having memes derailed with that method.

          • The Cominator says:

            Its called muddying the waters and yes very hard to counter in a way that normies and midwits can understand.

          • Mister Grumpus says:

            What are the fake parts of Died Suddenly?

            The noodles? Something else?

            • Red says:

              They took a bunch of true stuff and added fake shit like the moon landings where faked. I didn’t notice it the first time watching it because I basically skipped through it looking for the good stuff. It was an enemy film to destroy the suddenly died meme. Which is why it wasn’t banned.

              • Mister Grumpus says:

                “Which is why it wasn’t banned.”

                Bingo.

                The moon landings. Give me a break. That shows it’s BS. All they had to do was talk about all cause mortality, and maybe show some vaxx noodles. That’s it. There is absolutely no reason to bring the moon landings into something like this.

            • simplyconnected says:

              Stewpid Peters is a consistent well poisoner, he’s full of shit. Snake venom in the water was an earlier, more obvious attempt.

        • Mister Grumpus says:

          Injecting fake memes. That’s it. Pooping in the punch bowl. Disproof by association.

          Q anon. 5G. Magnetic reproducing graphene nanobots. Child sex dungeon under the weirdo pizza place. Turning the frogs gay. No one died at Sandy Hook. Jet fuel can’t melt steel beams.

          I’ve met some people who feel heroically superior because they reject anything and anyone they or CNN can somehow connect to the fakery. It’s all they talk about. They’re very righteous and angry about it.

          It’s a breathtakingly effective tactic.

          • The Cominator says:

            “Q anon. 5G. Magnetic reproducing graphene nanobots. Child sex dungeon under the weirdo pizza place.”

            There genuinely was sketchy shit about that pizza place, or at least Alefantis…

            • jim says:

              Yes there genuinely was sketch shit about that pizza place, but not a child sex dungeon.

              • The Cominator says:

                I’m agnostic on what was down there. I’m not saying a child sex dungeon or tunnels to one exists or ever existed… but I’m not convinced it didn’t exist either.

                • Red says:

                  The people pushing the child sex dungeon have been since identified as controlled opposition. There was something very fucked up going on but the waters were muddied.

          • dave says:

            Like exposing the fake Aslan by showing everyone the fake lion skinsuit.

            The dwarves response… “we’re not going to get fooled again, we don’t believe anything!”

            Agree, it’s effective, but only on some.

          • notglowing says:

            We have to remember why this is so effective. The reason is simply that they are the incumbent system, and we are not.
            We are in a catch-22 situation. The guerrilla information warfare approach of the right, where we ignore mainstream views and will listen to anyone who seems reasonable, is effectively countered by them posing as one of us and astroturfing support for insane ideas.
            Furthermore, they can then amplify anything they want using *their* media.

            The relationship between the two sides is very asymmetric.
            It’s not simply a matter of our enemies having high status, rather it’s that there are *some* among our enemies who clearly have higher authority than others and are able to decide which of their narratives will be pushed, and which will not be.

            There is not even an implicit order within the right, and absolutely anyone can claim to speak for us and have the exact same influence as anyone else. Worse, shills can be made to seem more legitimate than legitimate people.

            We cannot do the same damage to the left, because they have their priestly class of “experts” who can decide which narratives are mainstream and representative, and which ones are immediately rejected. The left has CNN etc talking for them, and if we created a fake leftist meme, and CNN didn’t repeat it, it would be meaningless, and you couldn’t ridicule the left for it. Because they would point out that their priestly class didn’t approve it.

            And if you pointed out that this is unfair, that one person doesn’t speak for the rest, they would ridicule you for listening to any “random voices on the internet” in the first place.

            After all, that is the criticism they levy against us: we aren’t getting our narrative from people of high status, but rather from “unreliable” sources.

            And indeed it *is* a weakness that anyone can say anything they want and be taken seriously, but it’s also the only way to circumvent the leftist media, since no one with high status would be allowed to say anything against the prevailing narrative to begin with.

            Of course, the counterargument is that these high status figures of authority on the left should be held to higher standards of accountability than random people on the internet in the first place, but they will not acknowledge any responsibility for what they say, ever.

            Shills are also an example of leftists projecting what they do on their enemies, they accuse us of disseminating disinformation to trick ignorant people into believing nonsense, while they knowingly send shills to convince people on the right of things they know to be wrong.

            • notglowing says:

              I am not so sure how prevalent actual, paid shills are. It seems a matter very difficult to prove, and perhaps even unfalsifiable.

              Worse, while it is something *I* can believe, it is easily dismissed a priori by most normal people, who couldn’t really imagine this being true.

              It can be spun to make you look crazy and paranoid, and as an implicit condemnation of right wing thought, as in “even they see how crazy and stupid other right wingers are, to the point where they have to pretend it’s government agents posing as their own”.

              But believing that there are paid shills posing as right wingers online isn’t even necessary to see that the manipulation *exists*. Because leftist outlets effectively do this kind of shilling openly. Anyone can say whatever they want on the internet, but they pick and choose which narratives to report on and amplify whenever they have to discuss an issue, which people to interview, etc.

              The problem is, saying “these are not real right wingers” is a weak argument, which involves implicitly almost siding with the left, since they chose those people to ridicule them in the first place. You are putting yourself on their side by disowning them. Forcing people to disown anyone to the right of them is a common tactic. Agreeing and amplifying instead is intuitively a good idea, because it’s a stronger position to be in. But in this kind of situation, it’s a trap.

              There are also many cases where journalists openly manufacture shill narratives entirely, for example by lying about what Trump says. Great example is when he asked a doctor present whether bleach or disinfectant could somehow kill covid in the lungs. The answer was no.
              The media spun this as Trump telling his followers to do that, and when a few out of millions of people did it as a result, they blamed him for it, and amplified these cases to ridicule him.

              • The Cominator says:

                As the twitter files prove the mainstream media are paid shills, and their supporters consist largely of bots, “organic” paid shills came in at least as far back as 2015 with Shareblue.

                I don’t think we see them here to the extent its easy to apply to getting a job as a shill because I think a lot of them are pajeets who get paid 2 bucks a day in India or they are recruited among people in the existing Democratic party network.

              • Red says:

                >I am not so sure how prevalent actual, paid shills are. It seems a matter very difficult to prove, and perhaps even unfalsifiable.

                On reddit when all the top comments on posts in front line subs became shill blocks it became obvious. It was also obvious when the shills were not at work(IE, no orders given on a subject) because those sort of block comments were not posted. From that I conclude people are being paid to post.

                The lie that leftists do things for free was exposed when the people at occupy wall street admitted to getting paid to show up and protest. If it’s happening there, then it’s happening everywhere. I personally talked to a guy paid to sit in a tree as a “environmental protest”. That was his full time gig, he’d get paid by various groups to sit in trees to hold up development until a payment was made to the groups he was working for by the developers. Hence almost or exactly no one is shilling for free.

                Rightist often do things for free, but leftists never do.

                Finally you don’t see organic meme creation by the left. Due to centralized control on the left, a few people think up the memes, focus test them and release them. This leads to only fully formed leftist memes being released to the public. Where rightist memes and memes in general develop through a free for all where most of the memes fail but the best survives, hence why leftists can’t meme.

                • Kunning Druegger says:

                  A technical correction: there are absolutely paid protestors, but they come in different varieties. Tree Man is probably low level; he get simple gigs and makes enough to feed his chemical addictions and lubricate his indigent lifestyle. There are higher levels, guys who are paid to drop banners or instigate riots. Then there are further levels, people who have followings that are “force multipliers”. These are the ones that have made a career of astroturf dissent that actually pays well and gives them status. Barry Obama is their King, and they almost always refer to themselves as Community Organizers.

                  Many, many leftward people protest for free, but the organizers, instigators, saboteurs, these are the ones being paid.

                • Red says:

                  “Many, many leftward people protest for free, but the organizers, instigators, saboteurs, these are the ones being paid.”

                  Do they really protest for free? The left and the media endless presents their protests are grassroots, but I haven’t seen any evidence of it. The media always presents the protests in away to make them seem larger than they actually are indicating a lack of actual grass roots motivation.

                  There’s always going to be some people showing up because something is happening, especially women when power is being displayed sniffing for an alpha and a few men to claim a share of that power, but a leftist man a protest is more likely than not paid to be there, either in loot, direct payments, drugs or at the gay events sex.

                  Look at how the leftist voting mules work. They all take pictures of the ballots before they shove them in the ballot boxes indicating they’re being paid per ballot. If they had a core of people willing to do it for the cause they wouldn’t need to do that.

                  Note that I’m talking about men here, single women mindless do whatever the state religion or power tells them to do. When you look at those child groomer sessions at gay bars, the performers are paid to show up, and single mothers bring their children to be fucked by faggots for free.

                • Kunning Druegger says:

                  Based on anecdotal evidence, small protests are all paid members (AFL-CIO does this often, unions do this often) medium are 1:3 paid to unpaid (local issues, affordable housing circus, “free block nigger #0028723”), big protests are anywhere from 1:5-1:10 paid to unpaid. The paid protest crowd is just like any other low competency trade: they start out as apprentices then start working small contracts/commissions then try to get noticed and land big money by specializing. This is how A CERTAIN CITY works, and this city is copied by many other places, as shit flows downhill.

                  I was going to drop some… information, if anyone wanted to play OSINT games trying to pin the reputation on the influencer, but it’s probably unwise. I’ll say this: the professional protesters are a class of people, they have shared physiognomy, shared characteristics, shared proclivities, just lake any other “trade,” as the nature of the “work” attracts like to like. Lots of trannies, lots of faggots, lots of neckbeards, lots of fatties, lots of despondent second sons/daughters of wealth trying to make their mark by sticking it to mummy & daddy, cavorting with the underclass.

                  But I cannot stress enough just how many urban scum have nothing better to do then follow the “professionals” online and show up at their “events.” When you look at a crowd of protesters, you are seeing literal Surplus Population. You could promote every single one to fertilizer and not a single thing would change for the worse. These people do nothing, own nothing, make nothing, and they absolutely love it. The initiatives to attract homeless to city centers is almost 100% an operation to provide foot soldiers for professional protesters.

                • Red says:

                  “Based on anecdotal evidence, small protests are all paid members (AFL-CIO does this often, unions do this often) medium are 1:3 paid to unpaid (local issues, affordable housing circus, “free block nigger #0028723”), big protests are anywhere from 1:5-1:10 paid to unpaid. The paid protest crowd is just like any other low competency trade: they start out as apprentices then start working small contracts/commissions then try to get noticed and land big money by specializing. This is how A CERTAIN CITY works, and this city is copied by many other places, as shit flows downhill.”

                  How current is this information? I know that at Oberlin College students were given free As in classes for protesting, IE they were paid to protest. There’s more than one way to reward people for showing up and there’s tens of thousands of these leftist groups all funded by the feds that can put people out there.

                  There’s also the issue that most people are bused in for large protests. I doubt the people being bused are not getting some sort of reward.

                • Anonymous says:

                  the professional protesters are a class of people, they have shared physiognomy, shared characteristics, shared proclivities, just lake any other “trade,” as the nature of the “work” attracts like to like. Lots of trannies, lots of faggots, lots of neckbeards, lots of fatties, lots of despondent second sons/daughters of wealth trying to make their mark by sticking it to mummy & daddy, cavorting with the underclass.

                  Pediatricians have an unofficial bit of medical jargon, “Funny-looking kid” (FLK), to describe these cases. When there’s no specific diagnosis you can make but the kid just looks off.

                • Kunning Drueger says:

                  @Red
                  I can’t go into any more details for obvious reasons, but the info might be out of date. However, I think some of these dynamics are rather timeless. If you look back at the Bolsheviks or any of the other communist movements, they tended to operate and occur within the underclass and the criminal class. and, strangely enough, the bureaucratic class. Always seems to be those three groups ruining things for all of us. What I found was that the professional protesters were the college buddies and roommates or former roommates of the more physically attractive and socially capable who had moved into the non-profit/ngo space. They had some weird kind of dynamic where the messaging from on high would be transferred directly to the street people via these strange relationships. Some of these people are incredibly well connected in a human sense, it almost defies explanation how connected they are all across the spectrum, but if one thinks back to highschool, all you really needed was a good cocaine or e-pill or weed connection to basically have friends at every level of society in terms of younger people. Maybe it’s as simple as that. Whatever the case, I stand by my analysis as being good in terms of a 101 level explanation, but I absolutely accept that there may be a ton of nuance as well as advancement in terms of the technology available. That link you posted regarding the shill operations as recently as 2016 is pretty eye-opening when you think about it. Once upon a time, they needed hundreds of people in a room banging away on keyboards. Now they just need stacks of SSDs running bots, and they actually probably get a better ROI.

                • jim says:

                  > they tended to operate and occur within the underclass and the criminal class. and, strangely enough, the bureaucratic class

                  Revolutionary movements are treasonous state power making a power grab against officially official state power, and reaching out to criminal elements to kill their opponents.

                • Red says:

                  @KD I don’t have your level of personal experience with the protest types, but where you really looking to see if payment was going on? Remember spontaneous non paid for protests is sort of leftist 3ed rail. Even cops are unlikely to want to find out about it, since mentioning it might well result in losing your job.

                  Just think it over.

                  Again you do have the superior level of experience here, mine is mostly dealing with the paid online shills.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Jim if thats the case the DIA needs to make a deal with the Mexican cartels now…

                  They wipe out the leftist parts of our government as needed they get to sell every prohibited drug legally (with a monopoly) for 10 years when the left is wiped out.

                • Kunning Drueger says:

                  @Red
                  I don’t disagree with anything you’ve posited. Rounds out my personal theories nicely. My foray into “that sector” netted me plenty of female attention because a little masculinity goes a long way in that crowd (I actually straight washed a lipstick lesbian lol). The point that money is not the only form of payment is particularly salient. The professional protesters have many tools for cultivating astroturf protests, and in my experience they are often attempting to initiate a chain reaction that runs off of its own impetus (like Ferguson and Summer of Love).

                  The digital model maps onto the physical model well: the paid shills initiate memetic infection, and useful idiots do their work for them, for upvotes or goodgoy points. Once there’s a runaway chain reaction, the paid shills can just step back and let their zombie swarm overwhelm good faith opposition.

                  @TC
                  The cartels are already intertwined with CIA/NGO/nonprofit complex. Those migrant caravans are exhibit A, but there’s a whole network of drugs, slave trade, and relief grants that run the machine. So DIA would have to invade glownigger turf. But given the decades long turf war between the cartels, I wonder how viable it is. The OSINT available from two decades ago shows that the cartels are getting better at both logistics and tactics. I remember reading about a case where cartel abducted telecom technicians to build cell networks/comms nets for them.

                • Red says:

                  ” The professional protesters have many tools for cultivating astroturf protests, and in my experience they are often attempting to initiate a chain reaction that runs off of its own impetus (like Ferguson and Summer of Love).”

                  In Ferguson they bused in rioters, I saws pictures of the buses posted on twitter at the time. The one thing I’ve seen from non MSN reports about this sort of stuff is the locals saying over and over again the people rioting were not locals. Someone brought them in and I’m sure they were paying them.

                  The entire summer of love was entirely paid for by the Dems. Notice how it went away right after Trump lost. The few groups that tried to continue it after the election were very tiny and suddenly discovered the cops could beat them up and arrest them when they were not doing their master’s bidding.

              • Mister Grumpus says:

                The power that flows from owning every editing desk is breathtaking. They can mint any truth they want. To even doubt is to curse ones self, essentially. So this really is a religious war.

                Jesus told the apostles to tell the truth about him, and if someone wouldn’t accept it, just walk away. It was never a refereed debate competition for them, and neither is this today.

                We (if Jim will allow the ‘we’) are fishers of chads. That’s about it. They’ll get into the boat or not.

                You can rectify names for someone. You can give him some good one-liner’s that intuitively prove The Narrative is BS, and that’s about it. “It is not necessary to know the truth. One need only know the extent of the lie.”

                “We pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us.”

                “It’s such a worker’s paradise here that they shoot us for trying to leave.”

                If he senses that he or his children will eventually be mass-murdered, or at least forced to live in humiliation, then he’ll keep going down the path, because now he knows he’s not alone. It’s just his self-preservation, and his “intolerance” of living by lies.

                And if he doesn’t sense the danger or doesn’t mind living by lies, whether because he’s too dumb, too afraid, or both, then all you can do is let him go.

                That’s what I think today.

                It takes very few words to accomplish all that you actually can accomplish. You can hand him some illegal truth, he can come, taste and see, and if he finds it good, then he’ll keep wanting more. Didn’t you?

                It takes so little to burst the bubble. Jesus didn’t write any term papers either. Most leftist memes and Jordan Peterson quotest are longer than any parable.

          • The Ducking Man says:

            The only reason fake memes are effective is because nobody in the counter culture bother denying it.

            You just have to throughly deny every single one of it until eventually shills are running out of idea.

            Can chemicals turn frogs gay? -> “Maybe it does, I’m not biologist, but I don’t see people smarter than me debunking it, so chemicals really might turn frogs gay” – literally what’s on my mind on this topic.

            Don’t blame the shill or plebs like me. The blame is on your laziness countering the fake memes.

            • notglowing says:

              My point is that denying them is not effective. Because astroturfing support for fake memes is very easy for the media. They don’t need many people to genuinely believe it. They can amplify those voices they prefer. Then your denial is drowned out.

              And denying generally shows weakness. There’s a reason why right wingers prefer to agree and amplify. It comes stronger. But in these cases it’s a trap.

              It’s also difficult to separate yourself from the enemy when you are denying and attacking positions that they are also attacking as they are supposedly ours.

            • BobtheBuilder says:

              Technically chemicals turn frogs into trannies.

              https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.0909519107

          • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

            Not only is the oceans of birth control pill metabolite being pissed into municipal water systems turning the frogs gay, it is turning your sons gay too.

      • Anonymous says:

        A guy on twitter’s anecdote about speaking with a shill and getting him to spill the beans: https://archive.vn/YR8Uf
        Unfortunately no examples of material the shill was using there.

        • Kunning Druegger says:

          Completely tracks with my recollections of the Meme War. It was literal mountains of digital flesh carved away by lone warriors with war bands on both sides. The shills would instigate swarms, the memechads would instigate laughter. What a strange time.

        • Red says:

          That was the original and more primitive version. Today they use copy paste from blocks from databases and post them too fast to allow people to respond, but always using separate accounts to make sure it looks more organic.

          They still use counter arguments but only on spaces they don’t totally control. If they have full moderation power they just delete any comments that doesn’t agree with the narrative. If you go on reddit and reddit was ground zero for organized political shilling development you’ll find massive amounts of deleted comments on every post on the front page that tried to interact with the shill blocks.

          There message has gotten so away from reality that total moderate control is required now, hence why they are so freaked out over twitter, even though Elon is slow giving ground to them again.

  36. i says:

    The truth about “Pederasty” in Ancient Greece:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNAT4ybsz_E&ab_channel=LeatherApronClub

    Even when the term “Homosexual” isn’t coined until the 19th Century by Psychologists for the same reason some Sodomites say the term “Pedophile” was coined in that same time period.

    The concept of the shame and vile nature of sodomy existed even back in Ancient Greece. Alongside Ancient Israel and the like.

    • Red says:

      Excellent video. That’s not the first time it’s been posted here but always good to see it popup again. As the Greeks knew and as we now know Sodomites reproduce by raping young boys. Which is why they need flying lessons on the top of tall buildings.

    • Profundity Enjoyer says:

      That guy got eviscerated recently. A dumb Jew made a response to his video where he denies higher Jewish IQ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLoind0vKH8

      Someone else made a response to the response and made the responding Jew look stupid as well as Leather Apron Club: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2wQtYmbpzY

      Leather Apron Club seems based, but I wouldn’t trust his research.

      • The Cominator says:

        You come here immediately say Kmac (who is a grifter or a moron) is more profound than Jim and immediately make another jews on the brain post.

        We’re thinking you’re either a fed, Soros shill or low IQ. If not lurk more, Jim has discussed the Jewish question and we think jews are mostly middlemen and that most people who discuss Jews seem strangely unable to discuss Soros.

        Now talk about the bad things one of the higher level middlemen like George Soros has done… and say some redpilled things about women. Talk about the FBI’s ACTUAL role in facilitating 9/11.

        • Profundity Enjoyer says:

          You have it backwards, Leather Apron Club is a wignat who denies higher genetic Jewish IQ in favor of Elders of Zion stuff.

          >We’re thinking you’re

          Speak for yourself lol? Or do you have a secret chat?

          >Now talk about the bad things one of the higher level middlemen like George Soros has done… and say some redpilled things about women. Talk about the FBI’s ACTUAL role in facilitating 9/11.

          Uh, yes master.

          George Soros has Holocaust anxiety and wants revenge on White people. I’m hoping as WWII Jews like him die off soon maybe some of the insanity will end, but there’s still the underlying decadence that has allowed all of this. George Soros openly and unashamedly pumps money into anti-White, anti-civilization causes. I seem to remember him giving piles of bricks to BLM rioters in 2020 and funding “no laws for blacks” prosecutors in California. More than 32 billion dollars have been pumped into this gay foundation : https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/

          FBI and 9/11 — I recall reading some stuff on the FBI having foreknowledge of some operation going on in Florida — I remember, it was these “art students” who would show up to FBI headquarters taking pictures, and FBI/DEA agent houses. They claimed to be from fake universities in Israel like the University of Jerusalem. The 9/11 hijackers were hanging out in Florida near the location of this operation before they got on their flights. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Atta

          Women: I believe women should be made minors and that their romantic preferences are dysgenic. They don’t have the capacity to make good romantic decisions, because they have the mental maturity of 12-14 year old boys. Most need to be spanked by their husbands, and roughly 2/3 of the population finds that idea hot because women are so poor judgment that spanked women reproduced more than undisciplined women historically.

          Okay, now I get the feeling I’m talking to a sub 120 IQer, so please take my shill test and explain the definition of heritability, and compute the anti-derivative of x^4 + 3x^2 + 6x + 20.

          • The Cominator says:

            On women pass.

            On the FBI and Soros fail.

            Which is unusual…

            Derivative dx.

            4x^3 + 6x + 6

            Heritability what do you mean, IQ, mendelian phenotypes?

            • Profundity Enjoyer says:

              Sadly, you failed both of my tests.

              I asked for the anti-derivative. You didn’t read my comment correctly. You also didn’t correctly understand my first comment in this thread; “You have it backwards, Leather Apron Club is a wignat who denies higher genetic Jewish IQ in favor of Elders of Zion stuff.”

              Heritability is one thing. You apparently don’t know what it is. It’s the proportion of variance of a treat explained by genotypic variance. This is a very basic concept for understanding anything about man as a political being scientifically.

              >On the FBI and Soros fail.

              I don’t know what you want to hear then, that’s what I know about them.

              I used the search function, it seems that Jim says that a) Soros is really a State department puppet and b) dancing Israelis / the stuff I said is an FBI psyop. b) is very interesting because come to think of it, everything I read was “leaked” from the FBI. He seems to have thought years ago that the FBI is stupid and accidentally let the hijackers do obviously suspicious stuff. I suppose then the psyop is to subtly convince people that the State isn’t clownishly weak? And the mainstream narrative is just mainstream because it’s true?

              • jim says:

                Almost a pass.

                It is not, however, that the FBI is stupid that it gave the hijackers a pass.

                It may well be stupid, but that was not the reason.

                I stated the reason passionately and at considerable length. And that reason reflects ill on Mueller.

                One of the features of FBI shills it that they act more like Mueller employees than FBI employees – in this they differ from state department, Harvard, and Soros shills. Are you able to notice me saying something very unkind about Mueller?

                A Soros shill can denounce the Jews all day long, and can denounce the FBI and Soros well enough, but he is strangely unable to notice any actual bad acts by actual powerful Jews, in particular Soros. And an FBI shill has a similar blind spot on Mueller.

                • Oog en Hand says:

                  Soros is a follower of Zamenhof.

                • Profundity Enjoyer says:

                  >Are you able to notice me saying something very unkind about Mueller?

                  Yes, I just can’t find what you’re talking about. Do you think they gave the hijackers a pass because they wanted broader spy powers?

                  >The 9/11 presidential order in 2001 gave them alarmingly broad powers to tap people – which would be not too bad if the president could control that information, but inevitably it slipped from the president’s hands. In 2007 Bush rescinded that order. I conjecture that he realized it was being used against Republicans, and perhaps himself, and expected that when he left office, would be used in that manner a whole lot more, but the rescission was ignored. The actual practice has been illegally escalating ever since, and under Obama, no end of petty partisans in the elite gained the ability to spy on other members of the elite and use that knowledge for nefarious petty partisan purposes. And with the election of Trump, that presidential power inevitably came to be used by the presidency against the president. The trouble with allowing spying on Americans is that it is such a powerful tool that the elite is bound to turn it on each other, with the result that power falls into the hands of the security agencies.

                  https://blog.reaction.la/war/creeping-coup/

                • jim says:

                  This accurate story of what our spy agencies did suggests you are unlikely to be a Soros shill.

              • S says:

                Heritability is useful for understanding Steve Sailor’s analysis, but it isn’t helpful for understanding man as a political animal; normalizing environments causes its value to spike.

            • The Cominator says:

              You mean the integral (1/5)x^5+x^3+3x^2+20x+C

              The FBI either let it happen or was incredibly incompetent probably the former.

              • somedude says:

                yes, he meant the integral. Why would he can it an anti-derivative? Why this multiplication of terms? I don’t like it. Something does not smell right. My spider sense is tingling.

              • SomeDude says:

                A previous statement should read

                Why would he call it an anti-derivative?

                • jim says:

                  Because he is an ignorant twit who suffers from the Dunning-Kruger effect.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Apparently the “anti-derivative” omits the + C you normally add when you integrate…

                  Never heard it used in mathematics though I only ever heard of integrals and indefinite and definite integrals (not going to claim I liked integral calculus because I hated it… differential calculus even when it involved 3D sections and such was easy but I hated integral and series calculus).

                • Your Daughter's "Funky" Toothbrush says:

                  Sounds like Kookanic.

                • simplyconnected says:

                  Antiderivative is definitely used, but rare. Imho, if the point is to test if you can do a calculation, you’d want to make the statement as simple and straightforward as possible.

                • The Cominator says:

                  I don’t recall ever having seen or heard it before this guy…

                  In America (maybe outside of pure mathematics majors) integral is pretty universally used.

                • simplyconnected says:

                  I’ve seen antiderivative in use before. I searched in my book pdfs and founds lots of hits. One example from a introductory textbook is:
                  Single Variable Calculus: Early Transcendentals, 8th Edition. Section 4.9: Antiderivatives. p.350.
                  It seems to be a widely used textbook. Author is Canadian.
                  Personally, no one I know uses antiderivative colloquially, but it’s definitely in textbooks.

                • simplyconnected says:

                  Sorry to sperg out, here’s a better reference. From ‘The Princeton companion to Mathematics’:

                  Differential Forms and Integration by Terence Tao.
                  It goes without saying that integration is one of the
                  fundamental concepts of single-variable calculus. How-
                  ever, there are in fact three concepts of integration that
                  appear in the subject: the indefinite integral f (also
                  known as the antiderivative) […]

                  But only 2 hits for ‘antiderivative’ in the whole massive book. No hits in ‘the Princeton companion to Applied Mathematics’, so maybe it’s a pure Math thing.

                • Red says:

                  I vaguely remember anti-derivatives from Calc 1 or 2 from many years ago. Calc 1 was the sort of class where the idiots and women started dropping out of the program and Calc 2 was where the rest of the marginally intelligent dropped out. Many years ago it ago Calculus was a pretty good tell for better than midwit intelligence, but Com’s knowledge of history alone speaks to his intelligence.

                  Today they’re probably pushing moronic blacks through math degrees.

                • The Cominator says:

                  I was very good in some aspects of math and not others.

                  Vectors, geometry, derivatives I did fine despite a lot of other people struggling. In geometry I remember I even managed to do an extra credit “reflection proof” problem that nobody else could do including my overall much smarter best friend who got a perfect SAT score and went to MIT… I also did well with digital logic problems.

                  I was middling with respect to trig.

                  I hated abstract algebra, integrals, infinite series and transforms though. No real aptitude there. My worst class ever in college was signals for electrical engineering… Not sure how in terms of neuroscience the difference in aptitude can be explained.

                • Red says:

                  We’re kind of the opposite. I loved Algebra, Integrals, and infinite series, anything purely logic based, but I struggled with anything remotely visual, I just couldn’t visualize (The only math class I ever got a B in was Geometry purely due to the visualization problems). 3d shapes in Calc 2 was a huge struggle. I loved math in college but I figured I never be anything more than middling in math and I was much better at coding so I took the classes basically to get a minor in it.

                  I had a midwit friend who wanted to become doctor and he flunked right out when he hit calculus. I always appreciated that road block to keeping idiots away from becoming doctors.

                • ten says:

                  TC, that is apparently called “coding” in standardized intelligence tests (at least it was when i was subjected to such), is tested by being asked to memorize a small table of odd symbols mapped to numbers, and then translating between numbers and the symbols as quickly as possible. Sort of means you’re operating with concepts in themselves rather than labels, which has working memory constraints and is unsuitable for divide et impera approaches to mathematics.

                  Which is pretty unsurprising considering your writing style.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Ah so my extremely shitty working memory and somewhat shitty visual memory (and my working memory has always been shit… its not due to smoking weed or something I’ve never smoked weed) crippled certain aspects of mathematics for me and not others.

                  Surprising visual memory weakness didn’t hurt me in geometry vectors etc at all.

                • A2 says:

                  “Today they’re probably pushing moronic blacks through math degrees.”

                  Indeed they do, At Princeton.

                • notglowing says:

                  I study math in university myself. I think it’s unfair to call him out for using “antiderivative”, it’s not a particularly weird way of referring to it, and I learned that word when I first learned cal