Enormous move in bitcoin coming up

The good news is that in the not very distant future, everyone who matters is going to be using Bitcoin. The bad news is that if they will be using something resembling currently available software, they will still be net peons, not netizens.

Probably no dramatic price changes next week. Or next month. Maybe not next year. But we are on a big move up that will likely continue going up and up for a very long time.

The dollar is failing as a medium of international exchange.

Cannot do transactions internationally in fiat when the bankers are untrustworthy and untrusted. Cannot do international transactions in gold, because difficult and dangerous to move long distances.

Russia and others have been messing around trying to come up with fiat alternatives to the dollar. They just are not flying. The sovereign of country A agrees with the sovereign of country B for a deal that allows fiat transactions between A and B, and tells the bankers and bureaucrats to work out the details. But a deal that was actually workable would involve bureuacrats giving up power. So they work out a deal in which the bureaucrats of both A and B have complete power. Which means that in practice the merchant lacks the power to actually perform the transaction. You get a bunch of mysterious pieces of paper that are impossible fill out in a valid manner, your money disappears until you have met requirements that no one will explain to you because no one understands them, least of all the bureaucrats that created them, and your money gets frozen and eventually confiscated. So, increasingly, international transactions are getting done in bitcoin. Eventually bitcoin is going to replace to dollar as the medium of international exchange. Because sometimes, increasingly often, there is no useful alternative.

The US dollar is locked in place by Metcalf’s law. For it to fall, an alternative network must achieve critical mass. Bitcoin does not yet have critical mass but it is getting there. People are being forced into bitcoin because the international fiat money system is broken and getting more broken. Dollar dysfunction is likely to force a critical mass into existence. The more people using bitcoin for international transactions, the more useful it becomes for international transactions, which is likely to result eventually in a quite sudden transition.

This foreshadows a huge upmove in bitcoin. Also a huge attack to get state control through the dangerously concentrated miners.

Hodlers are generally betting on Wiemar style collapse of the US$ for everyday transactions, which is probably still some distance away. But a slow motion collapse of the dollar as medium for international exchange is happening right now.

For international transactions, the bitcoin blockchain suffices. The merchant sends you a public key he wants given value, usually over a highly insecure channel likely to leak information to all sorts of people who might want to rob you or just maliciously harm you. You transfer the requested amount of bitcoin to that key. Which should suffice because the transfer shows up on the bitcoin blockchain, which is a reliable broadcast channel, but the merchant frequently wants you to also send him a screen shot of the information that you just published on the bitcoin blockchain, after the transaction has gone through and received a reasonable number of confirmations, on the same insecure channel, because he wants the bitcoin transaction linked to rest of his highly insecure transaction metadata.

For everyday transactions, we need the lightning network. The cryptographically secure Nostr social network has recently been linked to the cryptographically secure lightning network, but the linkage is horribly insecure.

Nostr uses ssh style public private keypairs. Which is not good enough if there is money on the social network, plus people are used to wallet style public private keypairs derived from a master passphrase. People are used to doing it right, and SSH has forever been doing it wrong. And now Nostr is walking the footsteps of SSH. However, the one nostr client that integrates lightning wallet uses wallet style keys, and presumably eventually they all will.

Now if Nostr could be upgraded to use wallet style keypairs, and the linkage between lightning and nostr fixed up, and if lightning’s backup problem was fixed up, we would have a useful system for transactions. Unfortunately the people implementing the linkage were rightly aiming at user friendliness, mass usage, and getting it up in a hurry, and security got trodden under in the rush.

The linkage has now achieved critical mass, which is great, and may well soon show up on Twitter, which would be super duper great, but cleaning up the security mess is likely to be hard and will get harder the more the insecure system is adopted. Still, no one has incentive to do it right, until large numbers of people doing it wrong creates problems. And whatever is wrong with this system, it is a big improvement on what we have now. At present, you can only use nostr with certain peon wallets, though the underlying zap protocol is perfectly capable of supporting the real thing. Unfortunately the real thing is difficult, dangerous, and expensive to set up, which is why Nostr developers have not bothered with it yet.

If you use the standard easy to use lightning wallets, you are a peon. Someone else controls your money, knows what you are doing with it, is selling that information to all and sundry, and you are using your money by his permission. And some of the people buying that information do not like you very much. The real lightning wallets are Lnd and C-lightning. Which you really have to be a unix guru to use. And even if you are unix guru, you are likely to foul up and lose your money.

To use the money safely, you have to have a C-lightning wallet running on a dedicated always on machine, the wallet state has to be continuously backed up moment to moment to a nas running on another machine, (and the wallet is in the clear, and a nas is by its nature not very secure), and the ip address that the lightning network sees your machine at cannot be your home address, because then all manner of bad people know there is money at your home address, which can be physically taken by taking the machine running your lightning node. You are at risk of state authorities deciding that you must be doing something bad, taking your computer with your lightning bitcoin in it, and to get it back you have to prove you were not doing something bad, which is impossible to prove. Or random criminals may just take your computer.

So you want the transactions to go through the vpn, but you don’t want the backup to the Nas to go through the vpn. You don’t want the vpn blocking local network access.

Umbrel and Citadel use Lnd for the lightning network, and are designed for small cheap machines. Unfortunately Lnd is broken, because they never fixed the backup problem. It is only safe to run Lnd on a big expensive highly reliable machine, typically a nas, and not all that safe even on a big expensive highly reliable machine. It is impossible to backup wallet.db, because it is continually being written to, and if your machine dies, you probably have a broken copy of wallet.db. It can only be safely backed up when Lnd has done a clean shut down. And as soon as you start up lnd again, your backup is not only useless, but dangerous.

And wallet.db is where your money actually is.

channel.db is not a backup copy of your money. It is an overly clever and too complicated by half mechanism for recovering money lost in a computer crash, which might or might not work. Will likely recover some of your money. And after you have recovered some of your money, all your lightning channels, accrued reputation and connections are gone.

And if you are running it on a raspberry pi or something similar, you are likely running off an external drive attached to a usb port. And the port connection is going to start randomly failing from time to time sooner or later, probably within a few months. And boom, you have lost all your channels, and probably some of your money. Not to mention rasberries just keep dying.

C-lightning however uses the more reliable and crash resistant sqlite3 database format, and more importantly, allows dual sqlite3 databases. So you have your primary database on your local machine, and a backup with the same name in a different directory on a network drive in the basement on the other side of the house. The backup contains stealable money, and is in the clear, so probably not a good idea to put on the cloud, assuming sqlite will work reliably with a cloud drive, which I doubt.

A “successful” recovery on Lnd is painful, complicated, and no matter how clever and technically savvy you are, you will lose a great deal. A successful recovery of c-lightning will simply resume where it left off.

Lnd is experimenting with a database that is designed to run over the network, as part of their failure recovery strategy. But, last I looked, not yet ready for prime time. And the way Lnd is implemented makes it difficult to implement a reliable backup and restore facility.

What is really needed is a custom database that physically writes a new block on local and remote disks for every lightning transaction, and then from time time creates a packed copy of that data, and then, when the packed data verifies as correct frees up the blocks. Sounds like a big project. And you would want a social network with parity files so that each person kept a parity file (or parity data structure in sqlite) that would enable any one party to recover everything from his seed phrase the way you can with a normal bitcoin wallet. People expect to have a system where they can just download the software from the internet onto a new machine, type in their passphrase, and they get everything back. We know in principle how to accomplish this, but actually accomplishing it is hard.

At present what you need is a wireguard vpn server in the cloud, a dedicated computer on your local hard wired network running wallets, and another dedicated computer hard wired on your network acting as a nas. TerraMaster F4-210 is remarkably cheap nas that can store a lot of data, though you can go somewhat cheaper if you are only going to use the nas to backup your lightning wallet, and therefore do not care about big storage. You can also get a perfectly good fanless mini pc capable of running wallets for a whole lot less than a preconfigured umbrel or citadel strawberry.

To enable people without a pile of hardware on their local lan and good nix administration skills to operate a lightning wallet that is truly their own, and a monetized Nostr identity that is truly their own, without requiring them to do a whole lot work, and risk losing money if they mess up that work, requires a whole lot of software not yet written. We don’t have reasonably easy to use software that makes a man a netizen rather than a peon of big tech.

Demand is coming, while our software is still broken. And no end of people are happy to fill the gap with scam software and peon software. Bitcoin is about to hit the big time, and for international transactions it is good enough, but for lightning transactions, not yet ready, Nostr may well hit the big time, and our software is not ready. If you are on Nostr with a peon lightning wallet, still a peon.

1,586 comments Enormous move in bitcoin coming up

Red says:

Off topic, Interesting post about someone fired from Boeing(East Asian or Indian mystery meat chick).

I don’t know if the story is true as I would be quite surprised if a black woman would be intelligent enough to know where to blow up data in order to fuck other people over. I would guess she had some help from someone more intelligent if that’s how this actually went down.

https://gab.com/laansingh1701/posts/110692693241048999

”
Sorry folks, but I need to vent…I quit my job as an Aerodynamicist at Boeing today.

Just a week short of ten years.

The path to today started back in summer 2021, when a new employee named Jamal (his real name, folks) was assigned to my aerodynamics engineering section. Before Jamal, everybody in aero possessed engineering & related science degrees (physics in my case), some of us had an MS, and our lead held a Ph.D.. Jamal held a degree in “Aerospace Science Engineering”, which we ultimately learned was an extremely, extremely, extremely watered down version of an Engineering Technology program.

My department head was told by his leadership that Jamal was “going to be an aerodynamicist”, despite having only indoctrination-level exposure to the discipline (basic aero, at Tuskeegee U, is given during the junior year). Totally not an affirmative action hire, right?

In the year the followed, we steadily kept Jamal from the critical work which he proved from day one complete lack of understanding. We had him doing only basic data entry in Excel. He was literally useless to us in every way.

Back in May, shortly after trying to get Jamal reassigned to a different section, our section lead was terminated by the company after serving 29 years. They told us that he “started his retirement early”. While this is factually accurate, it was glaringly evident that for stating our collective concern for Jamal, our boss was painted as a racist, and forced out. Because diversity.

Not even a week later, we received our new boss, “Miss Shanika”, as she wanted us to address her as. She wasn’t even an engineer by education or trade. She was a redundant data archival specialist. You can’t make this up.

For those tuned in, to give you a clue to her ethnicity, White, Asian and Hispanic women aren’t named “Shanika”, nor do we casually tell people to precede our first names with a salutation.

Within days, “Miss Shanika”, looking out solely for her own kind, made ‘Jamal the Useless’ team lead of my project, demoting me. I was told that “he earned the opportunity”. Four days later, approximately 724GB of MatLab-processed wind tunnel & CFD data was rendered unuseable. It took three of us to find out that the code script somehow got fucked up. The worst part was that Shanika threw the three of us under the bus for the data corruption, complete with written repremands, and given a timeline to fix it. Fortunately, we had a copy of the script and was able to reprocess the data, fully completing the sub-project two weeks ago.

But happened to Jamal? Well, just a week after we unfucked the mess, he was given commendation directly from Boeing corporate leadership for “Unparralleled Excellence in Leadership, for going above & beyond by finding a problem in data and fixing it, saving the company untold time and millions in the process!”

Here, as they say, is where it gets kinda interesting…

One of my colleagues found out why/how/when…and who, fucked it all up. It wasn’t Jamal. Rather, it was Shanika who did it, from the comfort of her own home (according to IT).

Yeap, that’s right, folks- gigabytes worth of data; company intellectual property worth tens of millions of dollars, was deliberately sabotaged in a blatant effort to promote an undereducated, totally incompetent token employee, and make us out to be the bad guys.

Last Thursday, after corroborating this, we tendered a full report to security, legal and senior leadership, complete with sworn statements and supporting evidence. We also knew what could happen, and prepared accordingly.

Shortly after lunch today, we (the three of us) were summoned by senior management. We were accused of multiple accounts of “demonstrating overt disrespect to both Jamal and our ‘boss’ by way of making verbal statements and displaying materials demeaning towards African-Americans”, “attempted sabotage of company property”, and, of course, “filing a false complaint”. We three were given until close of business to submit our resignations. We immediately reached into our colleagues binder, and handed over the resignation letters we prepared over the weekend. We were escorted back to our desks to gather our belongings, turned in our badges, and walked out.

Less than two weeks after affirmative action was effectively shot down, Boeing, a multi-billion dollar business, doubled down. They literally chose two uneducated token negroids over an MIT grad, a Cal Poly grad, and a Stanford grad. Our former boss who was “retired” for the same thing we did, was a distinguished graduate of the University of Moscow, and before Boeing, was a noted and influential engineer at TsAGI (Central Aero & Hydrodynamics Institute) in Russia.

I know we will be vindicated in due course, but Boeing can’t pay us enough to go back. Let them eat cake.

Not too sure what my next steps will be, but all I can say is Wow. Just Wow.
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Red says:

Damn, Jim posted this like 20 minutes before me:

https://gab.com/jim7z/posts/110694053752836842

Calvin says:

Probably gonna wanna avoid flying on any future Boeing aircraft.

Red says:

You’re going to not want to fly at all:

“All-Black women crew operates American Airlines flight from Dallas in honor of trailblazer Bessie Coleman”

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/20/us/american-airlines-honors-bessie-coleman/index.html

Hesiod says:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXrl5K6HngY

Turbulence with phat beats.

Kunning Druegger says:

*WOOP WOOP*

DATS DE SOUND OF DA TERRAIN

Mayflower Sperg says:

Hehe, maybe your old boss will go back to Moscow and hire you guys to design missiles there.

I saw a report in the jews media that military recruitment numbers are way down, and it’s because there are so many great jobs in the private sector that the military can’t compete. They showed a boot camp filled with a dog’s dinner of diversity and showcased a black single mother of four as the soldier of the future.

What are these “great jobs in the private sector”? One recruiter tweeted that he saw a white kid standing by the roadside in 96-degree heat wearing a puffy duck costume and waving a sign, offered him $30,000 to join the Army, and was told to “fuck off”.

Pax Imperialis says:

USMC Officer Candidate School is still largely White (White enough Hispanic) and Christian. Far more so than the diversity stricken Intelligence Community. I don’t know about the other branches, but DoD officer corps might be in the best position among the institutional powers, similar to KGB surviving the Soviet collapse, to take over control of a failed regime.

DoD bureaucracy is getting increasingly paranoid about the political reliability of junior and mid level Officers. The contracts have gotten much more punitive in regards to political activity and it’s creating quiet resentment. They might end up creating what they fear.

anonymous mouse says:

fyi: “La’an Noonien-Singh” is the name of a Star Trek character. Obviously this guy is not going to use his real name.

Cloudswrest says:

This is just too stereotypical

Jamal and Miss Shanika

https://gab.com/laansingh1701/posts/110692693241048999

anonymous mouse says:

The memes are real

Cloudswrest says:

Looks like I’m late to this party.

Fidelis says:

So stereotypical in fact I’m sure it’s fake. Well, actually, I’m sure its fake because no Miss Shanika is writing bash scripts in some Machiavellian ploy to give her co-ethnic a promotion. That’s not how they go about things.

Cloudswrest says:

This thought occurred to me also.

Red says:

You’re assuming Shanika didn’t have help from some Jew from HR.

alf says:

The usual rule goes: when strangers post sensational stories on social media, it is bullsh*t until proven otherwise.

In this case:
– account created July 2023
– first post: Hitler did nothing wrong
– ninth post: Jamal and miss Shanika

tingles my stranger danger alarm.

Carte Blanche says:

Something definitely smells off about the whole thing. It reads less like a story of diversity hiring run amok and more like how a fednat imagines that a Jewish or Brahmin conspiracy might operate. Didn’t even spell “Shaniqua” correctly.

Diversity destroys via laziness, greed, incompetence, infighting and a plethora of other social and economic failures; not carefully-planned Machiavellian conspiracies to strategically eliminate individual whites… or hapas in this case. Shaniqua does not make intentional changes to complex scripts to trigger systemic data corruption. Shaniqua is ON 👏 HER 👏 BREAK 👏.

Next I’m sure he’ll tell us that the supposedly airtight evidence he and his colleagues collected is no longer in their possession, because they turned over the original copy in that meeting just before resigning and have no other copies, so whaddaya whaddaya? No lawsuit, no discovery, no leaked documents, just take it on faith because it’s the kinda thing that might happen.

And of course, HGG and the passengers of his loser cruiser don’t bother to do one nanosecond of digging; one click to the user’s profile clearly says “American of Japanese descent”, along with a name and picture that’s obviously a Star Trek parody. But fact-checking is hard, so let’s assume this hapa man is actually a brown woman.

But that’s just the opinion of a natural skeptic. Let’s put it in the maybe pile and wait for some evidence.

Pax Imperialis says:

>Didn’t even spell “Shaniqua” correctly.

Not a good point. Implying niggers can spell “Shaniqua” correctly. They often can’t. Shanika and Shaneka are common misspellings.

On the other hand, there’s a lot about the profile that is really weird even by (heh) Japanese standards.

Some of you replied to me as Mister. Let’s clear the air- I am a woman.

This is weird in light of this autistically masculine over specificness:

I am what some of you would refer to as a ‘hapa’, hafu, eurasian, etc. I am Half White, Half Japanese, was born in Osaka, Japan, and came here when I was five.

which starts to come off as a parody when combined with:

To those who cannot handle that, just consider that Asians hate Jews & blacks as much as Whites do…if not more. Japan was part of the Axis, too.

(bolded part, reddit language?)

Yeah, Asians don’t like Blacks, but it’s something they don’t talk about publicly. They aren’t really anti Jewish either. It’s mostly indifference or reverence of their skill at academia nepotism. It’s also weird in conjunction with her anti-race mixing between White and Asians post which almost entirely comes from full blooded Asian incel males. Not even Hapa males who I see increasingly mixing with the Whiter Hispanics (what do you even call those?). And I’ve never seen Hapa females complaining either.

For those who asked, I got my Physics & Mathematics Degrees from Stanford University. Worked my ass off, and all my school loans have long since been paid back. Once I did that, I flew for the Air Force, then did it part time with the ANG, and resigned my commission on January 6, 2021, the day Biden was declared the “winner”.

A part Japanese female Mathematics Stanford graduate pilot Boeing Engineer with the social indignation of Asian male incel and masculine autistic characteristics? Granted, I’m a bit of a unicorn myself, but this is just too unusually unlikely.

To give poster the benefit of the doubt, it very well could be some guy slightly fudging identifying information in order to throw off potential retaliation/being tracked and doxxed (but why the hell bring up the lawsuit then). This laansingh1701 comes off as parody.

Cataclysm Reawake says:

Not even Hapa males who I see increasingly mixing with the Whiter Hispanics (what do you even call those?)

Castizos (a portmanteau of Castillian + mestizo)

Carte Blanche says:

The idea of a half-Asian female claiming to be an American combat pilot turned engineer sounded so ridiculous that I went back to try to confirm the “female” part for myself, since that wasn’t in the user’s profile and I just assumed male, which was at least halfway plausible.

Lo and behold, it’s all gone now. Deleted. So yeah, fake, probably a prank.

Aryaman says:

fake because,

They literally chose two uneducated token negroids over an MIT grad, a Cal Poly grad, and a Stanford grad. Our former boss who was “retired” for the same thing we did, was a distinguished graduate of the University of Moscow, and before Boeing, was a noted and influential engineer at TsAGI (Central Aero & Hydrodynamics Institute) in Russia.

no one wants their aircraft to be designed by anyone that went to stanford. stanford accepts dumb black people is well known but it also accepts a lot of dumb white people and dumb asians. In fact, they have a good argument they’re not doing racial discrimination on account of the fact they don’t favor smart whites over dumb whites (and therefore the fact they admit dumb blacks isn’t evidence of much).

i want stuff i care about to be designed by the guy who did great in curved mechanics and chemistry classes at the university of texas where his admission and scholarship were by rule guaranteed (obviously even university of texas is horrible, and universities are horrible, but that is as close to a smart aerospace engineer as you are going to get).

probably a russian shill of some kind. who is not literally right, but is seriously right.

Sounds Fake says:

Yeah that article sounded a little fake, high up corporate techs don’t really write like that, and you know Shaniqua didn’t merit, else she would have changed her name out of self-respect soon as she got that paper.

Anyway, hear are some real ass niggers and spics actually speaking truth, telling the worthless Democrats and jackass Biden to fuck right off with their pandering victim bullshit. The USA might actually become a good country if these 43% stand up niggers would wake up, tell the Dems they tired of all that shit, and vote Repub. Fucking Dems been doing the negro bad ever since before they did the KKK mob on them.

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/kpnwbn3sup/econTabReport.pdf

Do you approve or disapprove of Supreme Court’s ruling on affirmative action?

White: 65% approve, 23% disapprove
Hispanics: 45%-30%
Blacks: 43%-36%

Both sexes, all races, every age group, every level of income. All reject race-based governance. Overall, 59% of respondents approved of the Supreme Court ruling vs. 27% who disapproved.

Just think if you could get the Democrats to pay “reparations”, as slaves from their own pockets, for the direct damage Democrats, BLM, Antifa, Gays and the rest of their Socialist armies have done, including from Soros, Gates, Fauci, Zuckerburg, Schwab, etc.

Now that Biden is declared dead, they’re trying to put that gay slicker Newsom in office with that pedo fag Buttgig as VP.

Sounds Fake says:

The worst part of that survey was the white percentages… like literally 30% of whites want to give themselves as affirmative slaves to non-whites. Lol.

A White without White Pride is the same as a Black without Black Pride… worthless upon the earth and subservient to all others.

Pax Imperialis says:

You’re not merely dealing with Whites without White Pride. You’re dealing with Whites with racial masochism. They actively hate themselves and wish to suffer, but only theoretically. When it comes time for Whites to suffer it nearly always tends to be right wing Whites. Funny how that works.

Calvin says:

They may hate themselves (and rightfully so) but it’s you they want to suffer. Important distinction to make.

Sounds Fake says:

Don’t know. Well maybe, because White Repubs are kinda being too nice and foolish “christians” instead doing it merit based, but those burbanites dont have much problems between them anymore.
But it’s USA White Dems are falling all over themselves, taking knees, giving blacks free shit, etc. Yeah it’s all a show to get more power at the top, and filled with their socialist white-negro comrade events at the street level, yet it’s still your white teen daughter out on the street taking black dick.
And euro white leftys soon taking mass suffering by the millions in form of Muslim Rule..
The real white christians were the crusaders who threw the first Muslim Invasion largely back out of Europe, not invited them in like the fake left ones are doing today.

Not as if it matters, whites are outnumbered worldwide, and unless they wake up and do a good old fashioned revoking of citizenship, exporting back across border, and purging to clear their lands of the filth they let in, yeah, they’ll be suffering bad in a few decades.

Bukele rounded up his filth, and Orban, and Russia, and maybe it’s Sweden that still allows Quran burning… so there’s still hope.

In USA news it’s still somehow legal to refuse baking cakes for gays, but not housing for non-white non-citizens. Sell your rentals for a cakeshop.

Sounds Fake says:

Speaking crusaders…
Does anyone believe the old Pope’s did that glory.

Now today’s Pope is on TV inviting and bowing before Mohammedan Sheikh’s and Ayatollah’s and going on walks of love with them in the flower gardens.
These dumb fool Pope’s are marking the very minute of their own death by the Arab sword.

Talk about inviting suffering.

Calvin says:

I know a guy who’s been unironically considering a move to El Salvador just to get the hell away from it all.

Skippy says:

The UK is smashing Muslims, of course not with the hammer of Martel, but the pen of Prog. Muslims will never will rule. This sort of thing belongs in 2014. Progs are not weak. They are in power because they are strong. They are not going to give power to Muslims, and Muslims will not be able to take it. They will keep an increasingly Progified brown mass around as a militia to use against their opponents, just as they do in USA.

Karl says:

Look at the current Prime Minister of UK, look at the current Mayor of London. Aren’t they Muslims?

Calvin says:

Mayor is, PM is a Hindu. But you should know perfectly well that both are puppets of the bureaucratic apparatus.

Karl says:

Of course they are puppets of the bureaucratic apparatus, but in my view they are also part of that bureaucratic apparatus.

There is no one in charge of the bureaucratic apparatus. Everyone in it is a puppet with a tiny shred of influence over the other puppets.

Mayflower Sperg says:

As usual, the progressives’ most powerful weapons are smartphones and female sexuality. Get Muhammad’s daughters hooked on Tinder, and Islam dies.

Until Vatican II it looked like Catholics were going to take over the world with their high birth rates. Sixty years after that debacle, Catholic countries are littered with thousands of decaying ghost towns.

Corrupt The Muslim Woman With Dick says:

Targeting sex party music weed and free lifestyle messaging at Muslim daughters can help… if you know Muslims, lots of them bang non-Muslim music privately in their cars. But the rest are still strict about limiting it to Islamic and non-controversial stuff, the culture is still too uptight, superiority complex, policed, racist, and Islamic.

Ever try to fuck a Muslim woman, it’s pretty hard. She’s always afraid someone from her ‘community’ will see her out with a non-Muslim guy. Which of course means both your deaths by stoning, or the local pain in the ass they can get away with.
So your only thing left to do is invite her over, she won’t accept unless there are no Muslim homes in sight, and if there are none, then your chances of fucking immediately go way up. Though without context in which you’re already chatgaming her a lot such as at work, invites earn no’s.
They’re obsessed with luxury, so a hotel travel trip is another, but again, any possibility of Muslim police and it’s a no.
You’re also not going to get a Hijabi unless you’re willing to say Shahada (leaving risks death) and do Temporary Marriage and give the Mahr.

Muslim women also don’t have the White Girl taboo challenging fetish for Black dick… Muslims think Negroes (and Jews) are permanently unclean and uncleanable filth, unless they’re Muslim, but they’re still very racist against them.

Muslim women actually hold White men in at least some curios regard, Muhammad’s whiteness is a virtue in their texts.

When the Muslim women fall en masse to the same low level as banged out American Black ghetto baby mamas, that will be one marker of success.
And it would be hilarious glory to find a way to corrupt the Muslim man to marry say Jewish or Chinese women.

Anyhow, if you’re White, it’s plainly advantageous to keep and raise White women, the more the better, even become a Mormon to multiply your win.

jim says:

> They’re obsessed with luxury,

Not exactly. Rather, wealthy Muslim males tend to be quite alpha, unlike wealthy white males. Money is in itself no substitute for alpha. You have to use money to buy alpha cred, a bodyguard that you dominate, a driver that you dominate, put on an event where the host rules and you are the host. (Which tends to bring out the horney little chicks with no boobs.)

Contaminated NEET says:

That’s certainly the proggies’ plan, and it’s not a bad one, but we’ll see. Golems have a tendency to turn on their creators, and bringing in foreigners to win domestic contests has a long history of blowing up in the schemers’ faces. Right now the progs look like the better bet, as always, but Gnon has a lot of affection for those hot-blooded brown cousin-fuckers.

Contaminated NEET says:

>Both sexes, all races, every age group, every level of income. All reject race-based governance.

The cows’ opinion is not going to determine how the farm is managed, no matter what those numbers are. The Great and the Good want AA, therefore there will be AA, and complaining about it only proves you’re a loser who couldn’t overcome a little handicap in the name of sportsmanship, like they did. SCOTUS has made its decision, now let it enforce it.

Starman says:

@Contaminated NEET

“The cows’ opinion is not going to determine how the farm is managed, no matter what those numbers are. The Great and the Good want AA, therefore there will be AA, and complaining about it only proves you’re a loser who couldn’t overcome a little handicap in the name of sportsmanship, like they did. SCOTUS has made its decision, now let it enforce it.”

The jews are running out of high tech ammo.

Contaminated NEET says:

So what? They’re not fighting Sovereign Citizens with smart bombs and F-35s. Tax liens, HR policies, TV ads, and the occasional officer’s service pistol seem to keep us all under their thumb just fine.

Carte Blanche says:

The USA might actually become a good country if these 43% stand up niggers would wake up, tell the Dems they tired of all that shit, and vote Repub. Fucking Dems been doing the negro bad ever since before they did the KKK mob on them.

Dems R the Real Racists so vote harder frenz!

Recapping reality: even if elections were still decided by voters, which they aren’t, and even if the blacks and browns could in their wildest dreams imagine voting for a Republican, which they can’t, and even if the Republican party consisted of more than just grifters and carnies, which it doesn’t, it still would not make any difference because that is not where power emanates from.

Recall that Republicans have on multiple occasions controlled all 3 branches of government and still failed to reverse any left-wing policy, no matter how small or trivial.

Power concentrates in Harvard – the umbrella term that refers to both the institution itself as well as the culture, ideology, tribal identity and networks that capture >95% of American and international elites. From there it diffuses to the press, the NGOs, the SPLACs, the HR departments and the permanent government bureaucracy. Politicians are nowhere on this flow chart. They’re a circus act, mostly staged, at best a trailing indicator of elite opinion, and a loose measure of public opinion only in the sense that public opinion also trails elite opinion. Politics in America are a way for the already-powerful to virtue-signal to each other and trade favors. You are not a cast member, and increasingly not even an audience member.

Republicans vs. Democrats is old, tired and gay. Trying to get pox to vote Republican is even older, tireder and gayer. Trump had an opportunity to convert the Republican Party from the de facto Rural and Lower-Middle-class White Party to the de facto Universal White Party, but in the end he flinched, because like every other Boomer before him, he was terrified of being branded a racist. The opportunity has since passed, the Republic is dead and gone, and dementia patients and stroke victims win elections with 124% of the voter turnout. It does not matter what happens in DC anymore; you cannot resuscitate a corpse.

We should be immune to this silly outrage porn by now. It’s why Jim normally doesn’t follow current events. Invites the sort of unproductive feminine gossip that erodes memetic sovereignty. Chronicling the decline, using it to learn the essential ingredients of civilization, these are valuable exercises; impotent rage or worse, impotent snark, not so much.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Instead of impotent rage, I savor the delicious irony that the elite that defeated the American people is now losing a war to a second-world country whose only advantage is that it’s not ruled by Jews, niggers, and homosexuals. Even better, that regime cannot negotiate, cannot accept defeat, cannot de-escalate, and cannot win. They will mindlessly fight Russia until they are all killed.

This will tear a huge hole in the IQ bell curve as the midwits die in their urban enclaves, while the rural simpletons and high-IQ nerds, the latter having realized years ago that cities were death traps and left, struggle to communicate and build a new society not based on liberalism.

Or maybe, through some powerful mechanism invisible to us, the war will suddenly and quietly end, like feminism in 1933, the New Deal in 1939, and Covid in 2022.

Life of the Censor says:

The number one rule of the censor is:
– Never allow his own safespace worldview to be disrupted, questioned, or challenged. Never allow himself to be forced to admit his own wrong think or action. Further, the mere idea that anyone could have any thought different from his own is not only viewed as absurd, but when he sees others speaking, it triggers abject fear in, and direct psychological panic shutdown of, his own mind. The censor literally goes into a catatonic rocking state often accompanied by drooling, typically right after unleashing a tirade of ‘delete’ clicks on all posts counter to his own ideology.

The number two rule of the censor is:
– Never allow his cultivated underling body of readers to ever see anything that might disrupt his worldview. Because they are the ones he leeches life support energy from to survive. He grooms them into being a cacophany of feedback funnels that reinforce his own sheltered views. He drafts and turns them into his own army of typists that beat down all other views with all manner of written attacks well known by operators. His typist army avoiids engaging thought and reason in debating fact or merit of posts info presented, because they have no answer and their arguments would be refuted, so they must dodge the post content and resort to attacks. The censors job is to limit the exposure of the army that he uses to feed and protect himself, to alternative facts such that they never be subject to idealogical conversion, while allowing just enough of alternative views through so that they trigger and wage defensive war for him.

This is the sad affair and pathetic life of the censor, his rotten mind, and cult of followers.

jim says:

You cannot have a discussion on the internet that commits thought crimes unless it is moderated, because it will be disrupted by an army of state sponsored shills who attempt to drown out signal with noise. Flat earthers, McChristians, and fednats on gab being obvious examples.

https://reaction.la/security/social_networking.html

The point of a forum is discussion. Shills are unresponsive. They do not discuss, they do not respond to argument and evidence with argument or evidence. Their objective, as for example all the fednattery on Gab, being to drown out thought crimes.

The difference between moderation and censorship is that censorship is as you describe it, but moderation attempts to engage the shill and debate his ideas. When the shill does not engage, he is silenced. Observe, for example, my enormous waste of space unsuccessfully attempting to debate Anonymous Fake/Carlylean Restorationist, and earlier, the lengthy and tedious attempt to debate trooferism.

Obviously it would have been better had all these shills been silently deleted, but I allow some of this stuff through repeatedly so that people can learn to recognize and dismiss state sponsored scripts. Builds up the immune system.

Usenet died for lack of moderation.

Mister Grumpus says:

Freedom of speech, freedom of moderation and freedom of censorship.

Pax Imperialis says:

disrupted by an army of state sponsored shills

The Discord experience points to a greater horde of state created Frankenstein NPCs who are even more unresponsive than the shills you get here. Although I guess the difference between state created and state sponsored is a really thin one.

jim says:

> state created Frankenstein NPCs

I do not understand what distinction you are making here.

The inability of the troofers to notice, or respond to anyone noticing, the most compelling evidence for their claim that 9/11 was an inside job, the behavior of Mueller and the FBI in the events leading to 9/11, indicates that their shilling operations reflect direct employment under FBI supervision, with an IT department, an HR department, and a boss, with performance evaluations based on checking and reading their output and counting, but not reading, responses. Albeit is obvious that there are many such organizations, whose objectives are not altogether in harmony. The Ukraine shills are directly employed by the State Department and, the fednats by the state department through Soros, though some, quite a few, are CIA, the Troofers directly by the FBI, and I have no idea who is running the McChristians and the flat earthers. The nationalist honeypots such as pos.st are FBI.

The supervisors read their output, but are not allowed to read the responses. I conjecture that a machine calculates engagement.

Pax Imperialis says:

Christians, even fake ones, are seen as too distasteful by the professional DC crowd. They’ll sooner deal with Ukrainian Nazis and the occasional idiot that gets caught in a honeypot. Notice how they try honeypotting nationalists but outright kill tradcaths by sending FBI SWAT? Notice how all the nationalist honeypots are devoid of God? The bureaucratic institutional side of DC refuses to deal with (Mc)Christians.

They’re state created by congress. McChristian Church leaders tend to visit DC to speak the official (outer) party line in congressional hearings. The legislature then carves out vast economic incentives for theology academia to parrot the right ideology and pump out shills. While not directly supervised, they do have academia looking over their shoulders with certain proselytizing expectations. Pretty similar to tranny production, except that starts far younger.

Makes for a far less organized and lower quality output, but much higher quantity, and quantity has a quality of it’s own. It’s possible to easily find McChristian offline in regular life. Likewise, increasingly easy to find trannies too, and they both proselytizing with NPC fervor. In contrast, near impossible to find troofers.

jim says:

Makes sense, but so far I have been unable to find a McChristian that give the affirmation. Carlylean Restorationist/Anonymous Fake can give it, but he is not easily classifiable as any of the regular shilling operations. If you encounter a real life McChristian, rather than on Gab, would probably be able to give it.

Pax Imperialis says:

>If you encounter a real life McChristian, rather than on Gab, would probably be able to give it.

Do you mean this affirmation? That type of affirmation is becoming rather common in the US. US Mil Chaplains are doing similar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3imQLRxSM74

Most priests need an undergraduate degree from an accredited university, typically in religious studies/philosophy, and it’s often the same type of people teaching the undergraduate degrees that are teaching at the theological seminary.

jim says:

Obviously anyone who gives that affirmation worships demons.

The affirmation I had in mind was

Jesus Christ is Lord, born in Bethlehem, died at Jerusalem, and is, is from before the beginning of the world. Fully God and fully man. God is three and God is one.

Which obviously the people in your YouTube link would be unable to give. They would fear that if they said those words, they would catch on fire.

Red says:

> If you encounter a real life McChristian, rather than on Gab, would probably be able to give it.

I know plenty of regular McChristains, I’m pretty sure they could all give it. What they can’t do is blaspheme against the great “equality between the sexes and races”, and believe that ownership of humans is evil and generally rejecting that God owns man, husbands own wives and children, because that sounds like slavery and slavery is the ultimate sin. Also Jews should be honored for because of Jesus. The fact that Jews hate them and want them dead is something they refuse to acknowledge no mater how much evidence is presented.

McChristanity at it’s core is attempting to give in to progressives while pretending not to be a progressive in the hope that will shield them from the massive wave dysfunction everyone sees coming from progressives. Lukewarm Christianity is doomed to failure.

jim says:

> I’m pretty sure they could all give it.

Try a McChristian that has a job in the Church. The ordinary McChristians are not shills, they have been duped by shills. But in the Church itself, shills, and what they are shilling is demon worship.

The ordinary McChristian dupe is burning a pinch of incense to the emperor while continuing to worship Christ. The people in that YouTube video are tossing out Christ in favor of the emperor.

When you have an infestation of hostile enemy entryists, you have to find the words they cannot say, and this keeps changing over the centuries, as the enemy cooks up some terribly clever theology that enables him to say those words with a different meaning. Our catechisms should remain eternal, but our tests against enemy entryists need to be adaptive.

Red says:

>Try a McChristian that has a job in the Church. The ordinary McChristians are not shills, they have been duped by shills. But in the Church itself, shills, and what they are shilling is demon worship.

I would bet a bitcoin on that being true. I’ve had a very strong reaction to most churches leadership since I young child. They felt evil to me.

Pax Imperialis says:

The ordinary McChristians are not shills, they have been duped by shills.

I knew what affirmation you had in mind, but what McChristians are affirming often isn’t what you think they are affirming. Multigenerational duping has led to ordinary McChristians to develop shill like tendencies.

>I know plenty of regular McChristains, I’m pretty sure they could all give it.

Perhaps I live in a particularly woke area, or maybe I’m around brahmin too much. Precisely because they can’t blaspheme against the great “equality between the sexes and races,” when they say “Jesus Christ is Lord,” it’s “Jesus Christ the community organizer.” You could pull any number of passages from the New Testament and they would automatically, like NPCs, chant “out of context,” “a bad translation,” etc.

Try a McChristian that has a job in the Church.

One of my former acquaintances was just like that and went on to become a priest. I talked with him a bit over a decade ago when he was getting his degree to qualify for the priesthood. It was all “Jesus wiped away the old covenant therefore Old Testament can be ignored,” “Jesus is love,” “Jesus is kindness,” etc. He makes ~50k preaching heresy half a day on Sundays. All other Church administration is taken care of by volunteers. His church is in a denomination that, in theory, encourages married clergy. He is still unmarried. For a very long time what he did the other 6 and a half days was a mystery to me.

Then I discovered Discord (and McChristian YouTube) the past year or so and found a plethora of theologically well educated claiming to be Christian but spewing all the same crap as my former acquaintance… in servers that also had much porn and high tranny population. I think I’ve finally figured him out. Perhaps he is spending the 6 and a half days shilling on Discord and jacking off.

The state does not directly sponsor priests like him, but academia obviously creates them, and academia is a quasi decentralized state organ. They are controlled not by a leash like other shills, but by a silk chastity belt.

jim says:

> when they say “Jesus Christ is Lord,” it’s “Jesus Christ the community organizer.”

Hence the rest of the affirmation. Someone who is adherent of the Jesus the Jewish Community organizer is going to fear catching on fire if he affirms the divinity and eternity of Christ, for the demon inside them would be hurt and enraged.

jim says:

> The state does not directly sponsor priests like him

Pretty sure it does, in the sense that their agents get paid, through a chain of deniable intermediaries. This kind of shenanigan has been running for four millennia. You think it stopped in the twentieth century?

Red says:

Perhaps I live in a particularly woke area, or maybe I’m around brahmin too much. Precisely because they can’t blaspheme against the great “equality between the sexes and races,” when they say “Jesus Christ is Lord,” it’s “Jesus Christ the community organizer.” You could pull any number of passages from the New Testament and they would automatically, like NPCs, chant “out of context,” “a bad translation,” etc.

I get the “I’ll have to look at the whole context” from McChristains pretty often and they of course never think about it again. It’s their crime think response. Maybe I’m wrong about them being able to say the affirmation. I’ll have to give it a shot and see what happens.

Pax Imperialis says:

Hence the rest of the affirmation.

They’ve hand waved all the rest away by claiming bad translation of the Bible. They use that to justifies all manner of outright rewriting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN4pVp6lNJ0

According to them, New Testament was always a liberation theology.

jim says:

> They’ve hand waved all the rest away.

Then you know there is a demon inside, whether demons be real or metaphorical, or they are directly answerable to, in the pay of, and under the supervision of, someone who has a demon inside.

Red says:

A good chunk of the comments in that youtube video were paid shills. This isn’t unfunded operation.

Red says:

The left made a big push to infiltrate and take over Evangelical Christianity after the success of the Religious Right in the 80s. This appears to be part of their on going operation.

Pax Imperialis says:

Pretty sure it does, in the sense that their agents get paid, through a chain of deniable intermediaries. This kind of shenanigan has been running for four millennia. You think it stopped in the twentieth century?

Yes, there was and is a chain of deniable intermediaries, but it’s far from being a tight ship like Patriot Front and other shilling operations. Like the analogy I used, the difference between a leash and silk chastity belt.

There’s also enough automatic brain dead donation from the laity as the collection basket gets passed down for an entire ecosystem to form. Semi closed off, financially self sustaining, system. A thousand heresies bloomed from perhaps only a few dozen state sponsored ones.

Without direct state sponsorship, organizations like Patriot Front would cease to exist the next day, whereas woke churches will carry on until they are actively crushed, or hopefully die out (a long time) due to low fertility rates.

jim says:

> it’s far from being a tight ship like Patriot Front and other shilling operations

I am pretty sure it is a very rigid tight ship (or rather at least two and probably more very tight ships with similar but slightly different objectives) and if anyone should deviate from script in the minutest particular, he loses his income and his house, and if he deviates significantly, photos will appear of him naked in a pile of naked people passing around crack and small boys. What makes you think it is not a tight ship?

Pax Imperialis says:

What makes you think it is not a tight ship?

Like academia, in the American priesthood (the Catholics and Anglicans, being the exceptions do run very tight ships) it’s possible to keep one’s head down and disengage while still consuming tremendous resources. These ships are very leaky in that sense. From personal experience, there’s much dead weight. My general sense is that more than a third are riding the tiger as Evola would put it. The efficacy of such strategy is admittedly debatable.

This is unlike the stories I’ve heard from family members in IC about operations where active participation in certain rituals was mandatory at all levels. See what Azov brigade requires all initiates. To a much lesser degree and far more gentlemanly, and much more antiquated, see what Freemasons require all members to affirm.

I did not have to affirm anything to enter and graduate with university degrees. This is changing to an extent with required DEI pledges; something I would point out is recognition by leftists that the ships are quite leaky. It is also true in many American churches. I was never asked formally, in front of the laity, in many different churches, to ever affirm anything or even reveal my baptism status. Mandatory public confession of faith has been banished. From what I hear from acquaintances who’ve become priests or other Church functionaries, it’s much of the same for them as well. Yes, that was in service of entryism, but it has also cut both ways. I’ve noticed many have refused to affirm the official party line on the holiness of transgenderism preferring to remain quiet.

Admittedly, this is not a strong argument being based purely on anecdote and gut feeling, but it’s not like I, or anyone for that matter, can openly survey and study this. Just as Caesar couldn’t assess his chances when crossing the Rubicon, sometimes gut feeling is all one has to go on… that and a strong faith.

jim says:

> I did not have to affirm anything to enter and graduate with university degrees.

The university entrance essay is not exactly an affirmation, being free form. But we all know what has to be in the essay, even though no one is allowed to say the requirements out loud.

> many have refused to affirm the official party line on the holiness of transgenderism preferring to remain quiet.

The priest cannot say “groomer” and the churches are vanishing.

Pax Imperialis says:

But we all know what has to be in the essay, even though no one is allowed to say the requirements out loud.

For most universities, it’s not what has to be in the essay but what can’t be in the essay. This is being changed.

Quietly knowing is different from mandatory loudly saying. In 1980s Soviet Union, people were allowed to quietly know what couldn’t be said without having to loudly say what should be said. By 91 the Soviet Union was gone. Stalin’s Russia was an incredibly tight ship where everyone had to public affirm communism, often even prior to execution. Chernenko’s Russia not so much.

This is the distinction between a tight ship and a loose ship. Why leftists have been working very hard to compel speech in recent years. They can feel the ship might not be nearly as tight as they’d like for their own security.

There is potential that a successful coup would find a lot less resistance than initially feared, but that would require actually crossing the Rubicon rather than fishing.

jim says:

> it’s not what has to be in the essay but what can’t be in the essay.

This used to be true, but has not been true for some considerable time.

Pax Imperialis says:

It was true when I first went to college which was some time ago, but not considerably long ago. Checking the common application essay questions, they’re still the same milquetoast questions everyone bullshits on.

Most of the colleges in the top 50, but not top 10, are effectively degree mills which allow for plenty of dissidents to fly under the radar fairly easy. Outside the top 50, they’re all effectively degree mills.

I managed to avoid having to take any diversity/gender/etc courses during my time in a top 50 uni, and I know guys currently in several top 50 colleges managing to do the same. There are rapidly emerging efforts to change this, so things could look radically different in as little as one generation.

I’m not disagreeing with you on principle, but I do think you’re off on the timing, but within margin of error on a historical basis.

Vlad says:

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jim says:

I say I am keeping out government shills attempting to drown out signals they do not like with meaningless noise.

You say I am censoring.

Well?

Are you a government shill? Give us the Christian affirmation, the Soros test, and the WQ test.

If you can, obviously I am censoring.

If you cannot, then obviously I am not censoring.

I repeatedly asked you what Soros has been up to, and you repeatedly replied that you hate the guys with funny hats and the guy who runs the pawnshop, and Soros is one of those guys.

No he is not, and he hates them also.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Suppose he gives you the Christian affirmation, the Soros test, and the WQ test, followed by, “Of course I don’t believe any of this, I’m just saying it so I’ll be allowed to post on Jim’s Blog. Please don’t fire me, Miss Shaniqua, I need this job.” Does that get through?

jim says:

Sure it does, but he actually has to write the thought crimes down. He cannot do that, because his supervisor is apt to read his stuff, and may not be exposed to thought crimes.

Also, he can act like a rational being instead of an npc, and write the thought crimes down, and explain why they are wrong, in a way that responds to the actual content of the thought crimes. That would be a pass with flying colors.

FrankNorman says:

Whether he gets through or not, he probably gets fired.

Vlad says:

Lol these shill tests are stupid. First because I doubt your 12 regular readers warrant an army of fedposting. Two because they’re arbitrary I’ve repeatedly answered all sorts of your tests in ways that would end my life if public but not the right answer. Everyone knows what soros is up to. [*barefaced whitewash lies about Soros deleted yet again*].

[*usual endlessly deleted shill payload deleted*]

jim says:

You can prove I am censoring by disagreeing with the thought crime position by arguing against it, rather than by pretending that no one anywhere ever could possibly ever think such thoughts and say such things.

You could easily prove I am censoring, not moderating. You don’t have to agree with the Christian affirmation, the truth about Soros, female misconduct, and all that. But, to prove I am censoring, you need to respond with a response that notices that I do think those things, that a great many people do think those things.

I have responded to the standard shill lies about Soros far too many times already, and am not going to do it yet again.

You write as if everyone, including me, already agrees with those lies, you argue from fake consensus, as if no one anywhere ever thought otherwise, though the number of people that believe the official story about Soros is probably no more than the number of people that believe that Biden got more votes than Obama, a small handful of faithful true believers in woke, similar to the number of people who showed up at Biden rallies. Not only do I not believe that stuff, I find it very hard to believe that you believe it any more than I do. Soros is not a “great trader”. He is a money laundry for the American government.

Carlylean Restorationist says:

[*cape waving deleted*]

jim says:

Gasing men who wear funny hats is not going to trouble Globohomo. The Ukraine Nazis are the biological, ideological, and organisational descendants of the guys who did gas the men in funny hats. And now they are going to die.

Carlylean Restorationist says:

Your philosemitism has never been more blatant. Keep it up Shlomo, your nose gets bigger when you tell the truth.

jim says:

Ah yes, noticing that women are women and men are men is horribly philosemitic.

And since you are so worried about Jews, how about telling us what Soros, Blinken, Nuland, and Kagan have been up to lately. I seem to recall that I have mentioned several times that I am very disturbed and upset by what those Jews are up to. Not much bothered by what Epstein was up to. The whores wanted to whore, and the people he blackmailed deserved to be blackmailed.

Of course whoremongering, pimping, pandering, and procuring are very wicked activities, but arranging the deaths of what is already north of a hundred thousand seems a bit worse. Also might get my offspring nuked, while Epstein has done no harm to me or mine. And you are strangely unable to use the words whoremongering, pimping, pandering, and procuring, and strangely unable to talk about the evil deeds that led to the deaths of over a hundred thousand, and will probably be more like four hundred thousand before the dust settles, assuming the dust does settle rather than going all the way to nukes.

How can you rant on and on and on about Jews, while never using such words, and never discussing the war in the Ukraine?

Your message is that the virgin shortage is caused by those men in funny hats. No it is not. I well know who is causing it.

Getting rid of Jews helped Hitler solve the faggot problem, but he also had to address the faggot problem rather more directly. Getting rid of the Jews did absolutely nothing to help with the woman problem.

Carlylean Restorationist says:

You do realise people can SEE the comment I was replying to, right?

You don’t get to just meme it into a straw man of your choice. Just stick to censorship you jewish paedo faggot.

jim says:

It says “participation trophy”. You understood that to mean that degrees are participation trophies. Which was not what Pax Imperialis was saying, he was making a broader point that includes degrees. And yes, they are participation trophies. When they removed analogies from the Sat, that was obvious to everyone.

Carlylean Restorationist says:

I just had the same experience I’ve had here dozens of times before: you replied to something about ‘participation trophies’.
My first thought was “well I can’t really think of any situation where I’d be in disagreement about that”, so I went back and checked what the hell you were even talking about.
As always, you’re just lying. I wasn’t replying to Tax Inebrialis and as far as I can tell, never even mentioned meritocracy, affirmative action, lowering standards or anything of the sort.

Your tactic is to muddy the waters so that actual points you don’t want and can’t refute are simply watered down and washed away.

That’s precisely what a Jew would do: it’s the same phenomenon Hitler was talking about in “My Struggle”. Just like Hitler, when I started out I found anti-semitism cringe and retarded: these are just high IQ white men with a different religion that happen to be successful because they’re so focused and competent – opposition to them must come from a left-wing place!
As our Uncle put it, “gradually I began to hate them”.

“The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn’t help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn’t help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The Jew had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn’t remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day. Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck. I didn’t know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying. Gradually I began to hate them.”

jim says:

You were pushing your usual wagon.

And since you are saying Joo Joo Joo, can you tell us about the Blinken-Nuland-Kagan-Soros plot for another brother war, and Soros’s role in it. You don’t seem to be a Soros shill – some other shill group, but probably just as Jewish, hence unlikely to be able to mention what powerful Jews are doing now.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Just curious, what is the next brother-war Nuland-Kagan-Soros-Blinken are planning? China vs. Taiwan? Recreate the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and send it to war against Russia?

jim says:

Putin believes the latter. Polish Lithuanian commonwealth gets part of western Ukraine, or all of it. He says that is OK, if they make peace, but if they continue the war on Russia, everything is up for grabs.

The president of Belarus is not so nice about it. His deal with Putin is that any Nato troops in the Ukraine are legitimate targets, that if Poland annexes part of Ukraine into Nato, war is on, and should that war spill into Belarus, then it spills into Poland.

This is more a difference in nuance and ambiguity between Putin and Lukashenko, than a flat out disagreement on what to do.

Lukashenko’s position is that Nato annexation is war, Putin’s position that war is on the table, depending.

someDude says:

Does Singh sit next to your desk? Or do you WFH?

Kunning Drueger says:

Wouldn’t it be deliciously ironic if they both worked in the same call center in Nevada lol

Dharmicreality says:

You mean She/Her Singh. Use the correct pronouns dawg.

Sher Singh says:

[*deleted for your usual global American Empire payload, which everyone has seen and is sick of*]

Sher Singh says:

[*deleted for all the same reasons as before*]

Gedeon says:

[*scam spam deleted*]

jim says:

No one here is dumb enough to invest in that.

Carte Blanche says:

Without moderation, you get Gab and /pol/.

Both are an improvement on platforms wholly controlled by our enemies. Both are also infested with bots, shills, carnies, losers, e-thots, and a hundred other variants of trash which make hunting for useful content an exercise in frustration, and for some, a full-time occupation.

Online anarchy doesn’t work any better than offline anarchy. Need a dictator and army capable of physically removing undesirables, and a priesthood to establish the norms of virtue. There are no exceptions. The walled garden eventually fails without sufficient maintenance; the unwalled garden is immediately ravaged by pests.

I only regret that current IP technology naively incorporates high-trust expectations, which makes it impossible to remove you on a permanent basis. Eventually we will have anonymous but verifiable identities, and only your cats will hear your whining.

SJ says:

I’m not censored and I personally believe all kinds of things everyone here would consider crazy. I think it’s more likely than not that 911 was a false flag, I think outer space is fake and it’s more likely than not that their is a dome over the earth, I go to the grocery store and all the makeup and hair models look like trannies to me. Hell I look at the queen of England and that’s a guy. But do I have any proof? Nope. Do I have any need to bother anyone else with this stuff? Nope. It doesn’t have anything to do with NRX, with my desire for a stationarity bandit, for my desire for a no voice free exit system, or any of the other stuff.

And hey I’ve posted some of those opinions here, and when someone says provide proof I have to say the truth. I don’t have any proof. Was I censored? Nope. I agree with our host. The only reason to spam stupid shit with no evidence or proof is to derail discussion.

Vlad says:

Wrong I simply argue for other interpretations of topic at hand. For instance I disagree with Jim that [*usual lies about our positions deleted yet again*]

jim says:

In order to disagree with me, with neoreaction, with the alt right, you have to admit that we think what we actually do think and say what we actually do say, and then explain to us why what we say is wrong.

Which you are strangely unable to do.

If you are able to disagree with us, then I am censoring debate and disagreement. If you are strangely unable to disagree with us, I am moderating noise from shills that is merely an attempt to derail discussion and drown out signal with noise. If you are strangely unable to tell us what you are disagreeing with, you are not disagreeing, but just manufacturing noise to drown out thoughts the government does not like.

Kunning Drueger says:

SJ, you are the poaster I want to be when I grow up.

Starman says:

Grug tribe say yes to gold doobloons. Grug no trust long nose tribe and their invisible lightning demons. They claim to offer riches but Grug saw dream. In it long nose tribe make everyone take lightning demons inside them. And for a while all were rich. But then long noses began chanting spells and lightning demons started drinking the people’s blood. “social credit score” the noses chanted again and again and the people suffered. Grug woke up with cold sweat. Grug tribe now has bigger clubs with spikes bought from Northern Bear tribe the noses are at war with secretly using the Hohol tribe and the Great Fat tribe from beyond the great sea, for long nose tribe is evil and powerful but only in hiding and secrets.
So Grug tribe say to jimblog, no lightning demon. Only gold doobloons. Safe.

Dr. Faust says:

Yah I like gold too so why not both?

Starman says:

@Dr. Faust

‘Yah I like gold too so why not both?”

Grug tribe see academic fail “breakfast test” for academics.

Kunning Druegger says:

Not really an argument.

How would you feel if you hadn’t volunteered to carry semen water for the GAE?

Starman says:

@Kunning Druegger

““Not really an argument. [FAILS “BREAKFAST TEST” FOR ACADEMICS]”

Mediocre pseudo-academic detected.

Holy shit, kalogerosstilitis’s post really works.

Fidelis says:

It’s ironic how much he’s acting out your namesake. He doesn’t even understand what the “breakfast test” is signifying in the first place while he gloats.

Dr. Faust says:

Well I looked it up. It’s a question posted on 4chan about intelligence testing for low IQs who couldn’t understand the question “How would you have felt if you hadn’t eaten breakfast yesterday?”

Kunning Druegger says:

It is more than that. It is a failure to make a holistic assessment *based on* erroneous or fabricated or constructed priors. Niggers cannot answer a question like:

“what if you had a Dad and never smoked crack before?”

“‘Chu talkin’ bout honkie, i aint nevah had no dad nigga sheeeeit”

… or so the story goes. Largely true, as negros are inferior or mentally deficient from genetics and/or early life trauma, malnutrition, and being raised in a zoo wholly foreign to their proclivities.

But the Brek’ist meme is deeper than that, and chink mutt Starman (who I still respect and believe is absolutely /ourguy/, even if he is an insufferable gook twat who spent 5 minutes in uniform and 15 years relishing in the thank yous for his service) can only see that first layer of irony, that inability to imagine a past morning without a breakfast. But any mulatto, any female, any 56%er can figure that part out. The hard part, the real challange (one I face as a midwit) is being able to adopt foreign priors and work forward from their.

Here’s a relevant example: Star-happa accuses us of being “Mediocre pseudo-academic”s (in my case, probaly accurate), but it’s not any actual failure of qualification, is it? We have stellar, honest-to-God academics here, and he is oftentimes forced to acknowledge that they are indeed smart and well spoken and capable, but it never changes the tenor of his invective. So we see that the “mediocre” and “pseudo” aspects are the projection, and the “intellectual” is the insult. Which is fine, in fact it is more than fine. Mutt-man forgets that one of the deep memes here is “tanks on harvard yard” which is not figurative.

Starman fails the Breakfast Test because he can only work from the priors he has. He cannot understand that an intellectual might hate intellectuals just as much, or even more, than he can/does. He can only bucket at a general level, so the Intellectual Bucket is just bad people, rather Enemy in the Friend/Enemy distinction. This is not necessarily a bad thing, as we would be well on our way to Restoration if Comrade Starman found a way to Liquidate the Skoolaks. But where it does fall down, where this elected position does cause unneeded angst and friction, is that in nigger-like fashion, Starman cannot but see academics, pseudo or mediocre or otherwise, as a threat. So he uses the label as a pejorative, but he isn’t spending any time with leftists, he doesn’t move in leftist circles, he only ever encounters right wing, extremist, or “free radical” academics, and he only sees “Academic Enemies.”

To turn the gun on us (or them, being academics), can Star-latto fairly make the claim that we do not try to work from his, or his likewise positioned allies, priors? Naw nigga. In fact we spend far too much time spelling things out, watering things down, masticating tough concepts so that babby trigger puller doesn’t throw a fit and go rejoin the faggot military/police/etc. And indeed, this is our job. This what priests are supposed to do. And, make no mistake, “we” are priests here. Of course there ara paladins, warrior poets, armed merchants, and others. But the majority of this place is aimed at and perpetuated by techno-priests, wordcel acolytes (yes, hello), and those “free radicalss ” searching for a place to be after being redpilled or excommunicated.

Final note after the word vomit: I’m inclined to agree with the position he is megaphoning, but I am pretty sure that is because I can’t into bitcoin at an intellectual level, so of course I prefer doubloons. But I also think warfare should be fought with muskets, sabers, cannonade, and marching campaigns.

Dr. Faust says:

I assumed the grug meme was the chart meme displaying how really stupid and really smart people tend to come to the same conclusions and midwits in the middle. I’m safe on that front.

I’m completely retarded, have a cone shaped head, and can’t read. I’m also ugly, have no friends, never had a girlfriend. I don’t own any guns but have a fancy collection of samurai swords which I like to pose with while imagining I’m fighting off hordes of monsters.

Pax Imperialis says:

I guess it’s time to point out again that gold has a liquidity problem. It becomes quickly impractical to trade in less than 1 gram quantities. This is why silver and lesser metals were used, but now you run into the problems of coinage which becomes a heavier version of fiat.

What currency needs is enough scarcity such that it’s valuable, while not so much scarcity that you can still easily trade it. That said, gold as a storage of value is still viable.

Fake says:

What about goldbacks? goldback dot com

1/200th of an ounce is sandwiched between clear polymer. I’ve handled them; they are tear-proof and much more durable than the dollar. It should be simple to make 1/500th of an ounce.

Preventing counterfeit is the same as fiat, I think.

jim says:

Gold depends on the social technology of order and property rights. Which is going down first, electricity and the internet later.

When Roman Empire in the west fell, people stopped using silver and gold. When bronze age civilization fell, stopped using bronze, silver and gold. When they started using money again after the fall of bronze age civilization, it was promises to deliver sheep, goats, cows, and virgins. Cannot eat nor impregnate gold. It is just a symbol, just as bitcoin is just a symbol.

Gold is only useful as money because light, durable, and transportable over distance, unlike apples. If you want to purchase some eggs from the man next door, and he cannot transfer gold over distance either, he will probably prefer apples rather than gold. Which is what happened in the fall of Bronze Age civilization, and the fall of the Roman Empire in the west.

The Cominator says:

I thought gold and silver coins were still used in what is popularly referred to as the dark ages? Gold not as much among people who weren’t among the victorious Germanics though as gold was (being the more valuable denomination) more likely to be stolen.

Bronze age collapse idk and I’m not sure anyone does.

jim says:

The money economy over much of the west disappeared until some time after 1000AD. People just did not use money. They used barter and service.

Aidan says:

Gold armbands were used in the dark ages; gold coins from Roman times were melted down into a form that you had to cut somebody’s arm off to take when it was moved around. Instead of moving around a big chest of coins, gold was on the wrists and arms of warriors, indicating a social order in which gold was likely to be stolen unless attached secure as could be to big violent men.

alf says:
Carte Blanche says:

This is actually very funny as satire. Too bad it wasn’t written as satire.

Starman says:

Carte Blanche

“This is actually very funny as satire. Too bad it wasn’t written as satire.”

What is the grug post referring to?

Carte Blanche says:

It’s not exactly complex. Stripped of the silly caveman affect, it literally says:

“White Europeans should use a gold standard because BTC/LN is a Jewish conspiracy and they’ll take all your money once you’re dependent on the system. We’re going to use Russia’s technology instead because they’re enemies of the Jews in the current proxy war.”

Nearly all of which is flat-out fantasy:
– Crypto is primarily White and Asian, Jews hardly have a presence
– The few Jews that are in crypto are openly hostile to the Trotskyites, and vice versa
– Those gold doobloons are entirely fictional, what is on offer is just a highly centralized fiat exchange pegged to gold
– Modern Greece is a twisted, craven, cowardly power-bottom country full of losers and slackers who don’t deserve to be called white and would never in a million years voluntarily stop sucking at the GAE teat and side with Russia, unless and until the GAE actually collapses and the teat tries up

The “grug” affect is just a riff on the older anti-midwit 3-panel memes (Grug on left, Wojak in middle, Chad on right) making the point that working-class people of average IQ tend to come to the same conclusions as the very high IQ, with the one-sigma band using their limited intelligence to rationalize dumb things.

So like I said, it would be very funny satire if “grug” was an analogy for a stupid caveman, but in this case “grug” is supposed to be a reference to good instincts and low cunning and that conclusion is heavily reinforced by the other posts in his feed.

Incidentally, you’ve misinterpreted alf. His “stone age” comment was not a reference to grug, it was a reference to metallic currencies being a quintessentially stone-age technology by modern standards, for reasons Jim has already elaborated on at considerable length.

Starman says:

@Carte Blanche

“[Posts wall-of-text][FAILS THE “BREAKFAST TEST” FOR ACADEMICS]”

What’s up mediocre scribbler!

Walls-of-text are not a substitute for intelligence.
The grug post uses the jews and gold doubloons as examples, but it’s not about the jews and gold doubloons.

I’m glad that I ignore people like you on financial matters.

Red says:

>I’m glad that I ignore people like you on financial matters.

If you’d listened to Jim and bought bitcoin at 16k you’d have doubled your money.

jim says:

> If you’d listened to Jim and bought bitcoin at 16k you’d have doubled your money.

The rise is just barely beginning, because the US$ continues to fail as an international currency, and the various proposed replacements are just not going to fly – at least non unless each sovereign involved starts giving his bureaucrats and bankers long distance swimming lessons in the Pacific.

You have seen nothing yet.

Carte Blanche says:

You were guaranteed to reply that way regardless of what I wrote, because you are in attack mode, and having slipped the leash some time ago, there is no one to bring you to heel. I reply not to persuade you, but to nail you up for onlookers to gawk at.

Anyone here can look up his profile, see his pattern of posting and deduce his opinions. They clearly are what was stated above. He isn’t an intellectual and doesn’t write with great subtlety or nuance, he isn’t a riddle wrapped in an enigma. There isn’t anything deeper. There’s no there there.

I have to quote this from you, as well:

who actually thinks your grug post is referring to literal 16th Century gold doubloons

That you interpret it that way is just tits. I even spelled it the same way he did, “doobloons”, to communicate agreement and understanding on that particular meme (a lousy meme, but a meme nevertheless). It went right over your head. This despite the fact that I have already written two long-form posts explaining exactly what I believe the proposed gold standard to be, so it would have been easy to look up if in any way ambiguous.

In fact that’s the general pattern I see here whether you’re replying to me, Alf, Kunning, or anyone else. We make a point, you make a big show of failing to understand common English idioms and come up with a nonsensically literal strawman interpretation, and then accuse us of confusing the literal with the figurative.

Tell us, then, O wise man, what lesson we must learn, supposing that any of us is worthy to receive your great wisdom? What answer would have been a passing grade to this clever, clever test?

I hope you have a very persuasive answer, because until now I’ve mostly left you alone despite your monomania, but I’m with Red on this one; you’ve assimilated a shill meme – hardly surprising given your constant uncontrolled exposure to fed-infested social media – and been rendered incapable of recognizing it as a shill meme, and are now playing the role of a cancer cell attacking the host as it rightly rejects the meme. You offer nothing; you don’t even know what a “wall of text” is.

Tangentially, since your one issue is space colonization, how do you propose that interplanetary commerce is going to work without a blockchain? The SWIFT network? Huge cargo ships full of heavy metals? This, I gotta see.

FrankNorman says:

I doubt you’ll have a just-in-time space shipping economy for a good long while, if ever. The expense of moving stuff will likely mean that every planet mostly makes its own stuff.

So you will be trading with other people on the same planet, almost entirely.

TheDividualist says:

@Starman, no, it is about whether you are more worried about fraud or about force.

If more worried about fraud, as in your case, then you want tangible assets with inherent value to you (note that gold is a bad example, rather bullets, dried meat etc.) and you can prevent fraud simply by saying no to any trade/investment offer that does not come from a source you really trust.

Just about everybody else here is more worried about force, because the government has big guns. Since you cannot outgun the government, you have to outsmart it. You have to hide your wealth, hide your transactions, become something like a smuggler. This means you want assets that do not look valuable to the government. Unfortunately, that usually also means they have no inherent, tangible value, are rather, heh, “social constructs” that can be vulnerable to fraud.

Starman says:

@TheDividualist

”Since you cannot outgun the government”

The USG is running out of ammo, and is afraid of getting injured.

”you have to outsmart it

LOL, you voluntarily took the mRNA booster, and believed in the made-up coronahoax deaths invented out-of-thin-air by that very same government.

And still, none of the midwit vermin commentators here will call you out on this.

Starman says:

So is anybody here going to call out TheDividualist for believing in made-up coronahoax deaths and voluntarily taking an mRNA clotshot booster?

alf says:

Starman, does it make you feel like a big man singling out a semi-alcoholic, semi-depressed, divorced middle aged man? We have warned dividualist about the vax multiple times, not as his bullies, but as his friends.

As for calling everyone else in this comment section vermin or midwits… What can I say. A community is greater than the sum of its individuals. As much as I think Jim in particular has a talent where many of his comments could be stand-alone posts, they never exist in a vacuum. Comments uplift one another, build a shared identity, invite for better comments. I immensely appreciate commenters here, both those regular and irregular, most of whom are any but what you call them.

Be wise, Starman. You have friends here. But keep shitting on them, and you won’t.

Kunning Drueger says:

He has been called out, multiple times. further still, I have personally shit on a number of his posts because I found them on entertaining and diversionary. but that’s just my opinion bro. In reality, my opinion and your opinion have equal weight, are entirely dependent upon the intellectual patronage network we have developed with our contributions.

there is almost no daylight between your position and my position when it comes to vaxxies. If anything, I think you are too soft. but whatever the case, It is not everyone’s job to hang the Scarlet letter on Dividualist every time he posts, not unless he starts saying things that deny his admitted mistake, or portray it as something different than what it was: a terrible failure of judgment that will have far-reaching consequences.

And now we’ve reached a point where you are massively deflecting. The fact of the matter is, your post was funny and valuable while your defense thereof has been foolish and a failure.

Starman says:

@Alf

TheDividualist is an anonymous handle that admitted to believing in coronahoax fanfiction and willingly took the mRNA clotshots, and even the booster! That broke trust. BROKE TRUST.

There is no such thing as “friendship between anonymous handles.” Friendship is a long, long face-to-face thing. This not a community, it’s just guys with anonymous handles hanging around.

Cosmonaut Krikalev would’ve found your low bar of friendship to be very shocking.

jim says:

No it did not. You are breaking Trust.

Hesiod says:

I have family I almost lost due to covid worship and trust in the state cult. A few years later, they are a lot more willing to listen to me when I talk about certain things I learned on this blog. Some need to touch a hot stove and feel pain before they can concede.

Though a part still smarts from the shit I took from them, I forgive them as I hope our Heavenly Father forgives me. Let us all endeavor to have charity for prodigal sons.

alf says:

There is no such thing as “friendship between anonymous handles.” Friendship is a long, long face-to-face thing. This not a community, it’s just guys with anonymous handles hanging around.

I have, in real life, a group of friends I am very grateful for. We go back decades, we shoot the shit, we’ve stuck through it all, despite some obvious differences in opinions. Some of them even got vaxxed. I know, how dare I still hang with them!

I know very well what friendship means, and what it does not. You, Starman, do not sound to me as a man who does. You shout and shout, and when offered a hand of camaraderie, you slap it aside and shout some more.

Starman says:

@Alf

“I know very well what friendship means, and what it does not. You, Starman, do not sound to me as a man who does. You shout and shout, and when offered a hand of camaraderie, you slap it aside and shout some more.”

“Yes, let’s be friends with an anonymous handle…”

Cosmonaut Krikalev would’ve been laughing at this level of naivete.

TheDividualist says:

@Starman

>and believed in the made-up coronahoax deaths invented out-of-thin-air by that very same government.

Which exact government? Putin’s Russia made a vaxx called Sputnik. China went on an insane Zero Covid policy.

Western governments tricked them into doing this?

Corona as a purely Western government myth is an obviously false story because if it was so, Putin and Xi would have been laughing and doing nothing.

S says:

‘Which exact government? Putin’s Russia made a vaxx called Sputnik. China went on an insane Zero Covid policy.

Western governments tricked them into doing this?

Corona as a purely Western government myth is an obviously false story because if it was so, Putin and Xi would have been laughing and doing nothing.’

—

You could say the same thing about overpopulation. Under orthodox marxism, people are an unalloyed good because labor is the root of all value, but the Chinese were talked into family planning and the one child policy.

I have to emphasize this because overpopulation is obviously a scam- if you run low on food, people stop having children and if everyone else is adopting the policies, the winning move is to keep having children and ethnically replace them. The Chinese could have pulled that off and insured the majority of the worlds population were Han. Instead they went with fashion because it gave them power to screw each other over.

You are making the same mistake I made- there has to be competent people somewhere. I made this mistake with Bitcoin- if crypto is the future, surely some nation would be willing to seize the opportunity for total control of the world economy. I was wrong- crypto displaces civil servants, so they shit up their own nations rather then risk power leak out of their fingers in any amount.

Starman says:

@alf

“[FAILS THE “HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF YOU DIDN’T EAT BREAKFAST THIS MORNING” TEST FOR ACADEMICS]”

The grug tribe post went completely over your head. And you’re one of the best commentators on Jim’s Blog.

You actually thought it was a reference to a “stone age scenario,” just because it has the name “grug” in it. I don’t expect the mass of mediocre pseudo-academics that infest this comment section to get it.

People in kalogerosstilitis’s follows, however, do get what the post is pointing to.

Kalo is a former Greek military officer, who also served as a mercenary in the Central African Republic.

alf says:

The grug tribe post went completely over your head.

As I had already commented on gab, the discussion was about state failure, not state enforcement.

Kalo came into the discussion assuming state enforcement — that the state shuts off electricity, shuts off internet. That is a fair argument to make, but not the one we are making. We are not predicting sudden zombie apocalypse. We are predicting rising disorder, increasing breakdowns left and right.

We predict that the state cannot successfully suppress the grid, not for lack of wanting, but for lack of cohesion.

Kalo is a former Greek military officer, who also served as a mercenary in the Central African Republic.

While you know much less about me. Personally, I take that as a win.

S says:

If the Jews controlled crypto, the Daily Stormer would be dead.

Starman says:

@S

“If the Jews controlled crypto, the Daily Stormer would be dead.” [FAILS “BREAKFAST TEST” FOR ACADEMICS]”

Another midwit academic caught.

It used jews as an example, but the point of the grug post wasn’t about the jews.

S says:

There is a beam in your eye. The Stormer wasn’t banned for anti-semitism, but for making fun of a fat women.

I used Jew because you implied it, but the Stormer is at war with every different faction of America’s death cult; if any of them had the power to kill it, they would have.

There certainly are other factions in the world who could give it a go, but the Chinese don’t want to control bitcoin- they banned it, remember? Also, there is little evidence the Chinese give a shit about the private lives of foreigners in foreign countries.

Red says:

Hating Jews that much makes you stupid. Elon Musk believes Crypto is the future and would very much like to make it a reality with the X app.

Starman says:

@Red

“Hating Jews that much makes you stupid. Elon Musk believes Crypto is the future and would very much like to make it a reality with the X app.” [FAILS “BREAKFAST TEST” FOR ACADEMICS]”

Another midwit academic caught.

It used jews as an example, but the point of the grug post wasn’t about the jews.

Elon Musk would understand, hence the X app.

Red says:

The dimwit story mentioned that the long noses were going to steal his crypto. So he should keep gold, so the Jews can stealing that as they did in the US and Russia.

Starman, you’ve role around here was that of an guarddog or an immune response. You added very little but you were always quick to attack when dangerous elements appeared. Today you spend your time attacking the body you used to guard and you’ve become a cancer upon it.

Your posts don’t invite debate, or learning, rather they’re designed to harm and destroy the people who generally like you. You are like a pittbull who’s decided that his family is now a threat and you are lashing out like a mindless animal while the people who care about you look on in horror at what you’ve become.

BobtheBuilder says:

I’ll take a crack at it.
The argument seems to be that if you don’t have something on your immediate person when society breaks down, you don’t actually own it. Therefore, gold and physical assets like ammo are better than bitcoin, which can be hacked, stolen, or fail to process in a world without electricity.

However, gold and ammo can be stolen from you, especially as you try to move. The Jim position is that you should have gold and ammo for immediate needs, and bitcoin for “flee to civilization” needs.

You may say that a bitcoin civilization invites corrupt thieves to steal your bitcoin via scams or government force. And yet, gold and assets are easier to steal than bitcoins, even if you stuff the gold under your bed or something. Any idiot thug can break into your house to look for gold, but it requires l337 h4xx0rs to crack your bitcoin wallet, which are harder to find. If your claim is that “idiot thugs can beat you up for your password” that applies to the location of your physical assets as well. So don’t draw attention to yourself.

jim says:

> Therefore, gold and physical assets like ammo are better than bitcoin, which can be hacked, stolen, or fail to process in a world without electricity.

If we go all the way to the stone age, nothing but physical assets. But what is going to happen is that those parts of the world that still have a genuine market economy will have military capability, and the stone age savages will not, and you will need to buy stuff from those parts of the world that still have a market economy. Which may well require going there on foot and by dugout canoe with your master secret in your head (brain wallet) Where you can buy stuff that will make you king in your stone age tribe, assuming you survive the journey to return there.

I have designed my wallet to use random grammatically correct but meaningless english sentences, rather than random english words, for exactly that scenario.

Fidelis says:

If your claim is that “idiot thugs can beat you up for your password” that applies to the location of your physical assets as well. So don’t draw attention to yourself.

All the more reason to practice tribal politics while the stakes are low. If you can reach cooperation in the atmosphere we have now, it will only be stronger when all parties need cooperation to survive.

Fidelis says:

https://archive.is/lJJut

Something tells me musk understands while you do not.

Red says:

Money was invented to SIMPLIFY trade. To make it easier for normies to use than barter.

If your currency is more complex than barter, then it sucks as a currency.
Barter is less prone to fraud than esoteric made-up jargon.

Debt was the original form of currency which was settled up once a year in whatever goods were available, with the basis of the system being a universal commodity like Irish Slave girls, sheep, or what not and the system of debts was indexed in that commodity. So you might be owed 5 slave girls, but you want Olive Oil or the man only has olive oil, so the man who owed you the debt would pay what 5 slave girls worth of Olive was worth. We went ages without currency because it really wasn’t necessary.

Gold is quite a bit more complex than barter or debt promises, as it has to be mined, transported long distances, and coined and it’s coined in so many different weights and purities. All activities that cost quite a lot of something that was handled for thousands of years with debt contracts. And even then when it was exchanged, you had to know the value of each sort of coinage.

What made Gold valuable was it’s use in paying professional solders. Gold was easier to transport than war booty. States instituted gold and silver currencies because it was method of control over the military forces and to make taxation of the merchants easier. Without gold and silver currencies they had to pay warriors in land and bitches(as they returned to doing in the middle ages), which tended to lead to pretty independent minded warriors who might be adapt to rebel. States always had trouble handling tax payments in kind, taxing in gold and silver made it easier to extract more form the populace.

While there is are major economic advantage to coinage, it comes at the cost of the state taking more from you and giving you less in reward while controlling you because they control the coinage supply.

Crypto is more complex because it’s trying to be 100% trusted currency without the state control. This is difficult but it should result in a massive increase economic efficiency and more importantly shedding the parasitism of the bureaucracies from the a lot of the economy if it works. It’s still not clear if it will.

Roger Williams says:

[*deleted for ignorance and idiocy unworthy of rebuttal*]

jim says:

No one here is dumb enough to accept that argument, and I don’t want space wasted on rebutting it.

Kunning Druegger says:

https://dailystormer.in/14-year-old-mexican-girl-runs-away-from-home-has-sex-with-entire-marine-corps-base-over-20-days/

https://archive.ph/6IOHh

A few years back, Shaman or one of his alts or someone else posted a master list, a whacking huge list, of instances where dumb sluts at a terrifyingly young age were “caught” doing dumb slut things, and of course men had to be punished for it, because of course angels in female form cannot be bad without some man introducing the badness.

I admit I have not gone looking yet (memory does not serve here, it was some time between 2018-2020 IIRC, but I could be way off), and if someone else wishes to dig it up, that’d be great… but who knows if the links are still viable. I think it would be worthwhile to have a big ol’ list of instances of female misbehavior at terrifyingly young ages, but it could also include female misbehavior at any age because… bitches misbehave when men don’t enforce the rules. So maybe a list broken down into types of misbehavior? Whatever the method, henceforth I see no reason, not a single reason to A) make the argument that there is female misbehavior B) tolerate anyone in this sphere publicly taking exception to the RPWQ. If you’d like to believe, in the kingdom of your home, in the confines of your heart, that your pretty little princess cannot be a cock mongling cum dumpster, you go right ahead. But even the merest utterance of this obvious falsity puts one in an even worse category than an enemy shill, that being a Traitor.

I know JimBOT is a dream for a far future getting ever further out of reach, but The Great List of Female Misbehavior would be one of the tools it could use to engage with shills/traitors/fools as it protects bandwidth and mitigates incursions.

Red says:

This case is ground zero on why every 13-14 year old girl needs to be married off.

About 30 years ago when things were not as overwhelming blue pilled, I was told a story about a 14 year retarded girl who lined up every boy in the neighborhood from 12 to 16 to run a train on her in someone’s basement every weekend. When the adults caught wind of what was going on, the whole thing was quieted up but there was never any talk of charging the boys for her behavior because she “consented”.

How quickly we’ve gone from sex is good as long as there consent, to men are at fault for every mistake a woman makes. The second proposition is true, since we all suffer the consequences for women’s bad behavior but we do so without the power to modify their behavior. Being at fault for something you can’t effect is insanity.

Jehu says:

I don’t think every girl needs to be married off at 13 or 14, but a lot of them do. And some probably need to be married off or betrothed earlier than that. The age at which a girl starts to show difficult to manage levels of sexual interest in boys varies a lot. Some races have a lower average age for that and not having a father regularly present seems to lower the average age regardless of the race.

Guy says:

Starman’s “grugs” are the Chinaman.

Starman your posting and debate style is the reason people don’t know what you’re talking about. Not because that post was some sort of clever test for anything.

Now please accuse me of not knowing Musk’s orbital lift capacity

Kunning Druegger says:

Red says:

“Starman, you’ve role around here was that of an guarddog or an immune response. […] Today you spend your time attacking the body you used to guard and you’ve become a cancer upon it. […] Your posts don’t invite debate, or learning, rather they’re designed to harm and destroy the people who generally like you.”

I agree with this assessment, though I balk at calling him the “nigger of the dog world,” so maybe he’s more like a Belgian Malinois? Whatever the case, he’s getting dragged as he should be for stepping on his own dick, but maybe we can learn something from this unfortunate circumstance? I have been spending a lot of time on Elon’s Playground, and it has yielded some real, tangible benefits for me, but it also means I spend less time here, which is sad because this place is Home, but I do feel like I am posting way less dumb shit here. Starman has gone over to Gab as his turf, but comes back here for some reason (his stated reasons are indistinguishable from a teenage girl railing against the parents that do everything for her, so I don’t buy it). I keep coming back because there is no other place to get the info and exchanges, but I also feel a deep and abiding loyalty to Jim and Jimianity. Others, like the Faggot Ghost, can’t keep away because he got so thoroughly owned his whole digital existence is kaput until he can best us in word battle, or admit he was being a giga faggot and work back to redemption. Anonymous Fake comes back because the TOS of his contract job stipulate that he must.

This is mostly emotive psycho babble, but I cannot help but say that Starman is being a complete faggot, shitting on his own guys, pretending he is better, and disregarding that Jim’s Blog made him the shitlord he is today.

Bad form, Starman. You’re a paladin whether you admit it, or like it, or not. It is incumbent on all of us to take the tools and concepts Jim has given us and work to build God’s reborn kingdom. Humble yourself and have some self respect bro. We aren’t the enemy.

alf says:

Bad form, Starman. You’re a paladin whether you admit it, or like it, or not. It is incumbent on all of us to take the tools and concepts Jim has given us and work to build God’s reborn kingdom. Humble yourself and have some self respect bro. We aren’t the enemy.

I was waiting to see if Starman would post before saying anything, but this summarizes my feelings also.

Starman, I see the value in what you do. You are great at burning bridges with enemies. But right now you are burning bridges with friends. Even if you disagree with Jim on one topic, hell, even if Jim turns out to be wrong — do you really need to immediately make a mean-spirited meme calling Jim a Jew? Is that how friends treat friends?

I want to be your friend, but you make it very hard for anyone to be your friend.

Red says:

Well said KD.

Starman. You’re a paladin whether you admit it, or like it, or not. It is incumbent on all of us to take the tools and concepts Jim has given us and work to build God’s reborn kingdom. Humble yourself and have some self respect bro. We aren’t the enemy.

Indeed. I’ve always liked Starman even when he put me through the WQ test a couple of times and even claimed I was still a shill after I talked about woman liking rape. You have to appreciate a good guard dog working to keep the pack safe even if it doesn’t feel great being attacked as a shill.

His faith in the Star Prophet has been vindicated many times while I’ve been more a doubting Thomas on Elon. I became a true believer in the Holy Star Prophet through Starman and It’s pained me when he started attacking the people who shared his faith.

Full confession, I’ve been a doubting Thomas on crypto too, but I see what’s going with Russia I think it’s coming together as a replacement for the dollar with trade.

Kunning Drueger says:

It really is a tragedy, and it is not isolated to our tiny corner of the internet. when dissidents and guerillas cannot hit their real enemy, they inevitably start hitting anyone close by and then coming up with ex post facto rationalizations for why they were the actual enemy.

Kunning Druegger says:

Off topic

Here is MacGregor discussing the War in Ukraine. If you watch the whole conversation, you will note a (in my opinion) stunning overlap with Jim’s assessments and causalities.

https://youtu.be/x8Fs1IyAKYA

Here is Mearsheimer laying out his case that there is no chance of a meaningful peace agreement, and that Russia will win, but not decisively.

https://youtu.be/v-rHBRwdql8?t=387

These videos are interesting in part because Mearsheimer lays out a structural case that is incredibly hard to contend with without resorting to Appeals to Authority, Appeals to Secret Information, Ad Hominem, or any of the other feminized, negrolized, or mongrelized tactics so popular these days. he stays at the 30K foot level, and he keeps within the realm of the general. Given his track record, he should be listened to. MacGregor on the other hand wanders, though with a purpose, from the 1990s to the present, meandering over the years and even hearkening back to the 1940s, 1800s, and 1700s, to drive at a very different point that still ends up on the same page.

Mearsheimer makes a classical Reddit Post (back when it was /b/’s nerdy brother, before it became Regime Approved shill central) while MacGregor makes a Jim Blog post. You can quibble with the particulars, but I nonetheless think this is fascinating across a spectrum of observations. Firstly, these men, and others, are being completely ignored by Elite in Power. Mearsheimer states that, in his entire career, he has never once been contacted by the Agency, DoD, State, or any official organ, for consultation. This makes sense to us here, as we know that there is a State Religion, and it has absolutely no use for realists or intelligent white male Americans outside of pogroms. Similarly, MacGregor has demonstrated that he was far to effective and competent to be allowed into the upper echelon.

So we are on track for the Rhyme of History in that voices were raised but ignored (many such cases). As well, we see academics and warriors alike treading ever closer to the dark red pills of the Dissident Right/Alt Right/The Guys That Are Right/Etc. I wonder if either man could articulate female misbehavior, or how they would answer a RPWQ. They are far too socially adjusted to start pulling spaghetti out of their pockets on camera (…right?), but MacGregor in particular gets dangerously close to dropping actual red pills. He’s rather tame (relatively speaking) on American media, but he does a lot of interviews with very small accounts/channels, particularly in Europe, and he goes much further than Trump and right next to Putin in Naming the Adversary.

In the world of stand up comedy, it is a well known phenomenon that multiple comedians can come up with nearly identical jokes and not be stealing from each other. This is because human minds are pattern recognizers, and people laugh at similar things. What are the chances that actual academics and retired warriors could land on Jimian Restoration ex nihilo?

jim says:

> Here is Mearsheimer laying out his case that there is no chance of a meaningful peace agreement, and that Russia will win, but not decisively.

Mearsheimer is wrong.

If no peace agreement, the war goes on, and on, and on, and on, till one side does win decisively. Possibly because no Ukrainians remain alive.

That is what “no peace” means.

Kunning Drueger says:

This is an issue of arbitrary scope. Who won, the Liberals or the Monarchists? Pretty decisive victory for the Liberals, many would say. I’d say the jury is still out, and cold hard logic says “The Communists, of course!” In the case of the Falklands, the British won… Right? In the case of Iraq, America won… Right? North Korea v. South Korea? Vietnam v. China? It’s trivial to array the the parameters such that many conflicts that could be called decisive by most are easily defended as ongoing or undecided.

My interpretation of Mearsheimer’s position is that there will be a regime change in Kiev but not in Moscow. But I’m also of the opinion that the War, the real war, will not end even if/when there’s a decisive conclusion to the Russo-Ukrainian War; if Moscow prevails, the GAE opens up a new front(s) elsewhere, and if “Kyiv” prevails the War will get ever closer to Moscow.

jim says:

For the war to end, there has to be regime change in Kiev resulting in a Ukraine that makes peace. Or regime change in Moscow with peace, a rainbow flag over the great Cathedral, and the gay pride parade.

If no peace, everyone in the Ukraine dies, or everyone in Russia dies. That is what war is.

Peace is an arrangement for coexistence between sovereigns. If no peace, then war.

War ends with a peace deal or a surrender. Or annihilation. If no peace deal, one side or the other surrenders or is annihilated.

Kunning Drueger says:

I cannot find anything wrong with the structure you have laid out, nonetheless, I choose to perceive a more variegated spectrum of the state of war. but I don’t think this actually puts us at odds, it’s just different size lenses for the microscope, or telescope. and the more that I think about it, while you’re interpretive framework is very cumbersome for me to wield, It actually portrays the continuity of existence far more accurately than the typical historiography of arbitrarily dividing things into eras and periods.

thus, we can view the last 300 years as a ceaseless war between the forces of order and the forces of chaos, and that is obviously extendable even further back into time. Of course, for mere mortals trapped within the confines of their existence, it is handy to be able to delineate between, say, the first Indochina war, the Algerian Civil War, and a Liberian Civil War, but in reality they are all battles in the larger war between order and chaos. I keep thinking about it while I write this, and the appeal continues to grow. fascinating.

jim says:

These unending wars of which you speak were conducted within limits.

Limits that are now being overstepped. Once a limit has been overstepped, either new limits are put in place by agreement, or one side is defeated, and what is now permissible as a result of limits being removed, is done to them, and they dare not do it back to the enemy.

The limit against nukes is still in place. The limit against Nato assets directly engaging Russian assets is being rapidly eroded, but the regime is showing signs of nervousness about eroding it further. There are no limits inside Ukraine, and to restore limits, or create new limits in place of the old, have to have a peace agreement.

Normality bias treats the limits as facts of nature, that they will return by themselves without anyone doing anything different from what led to them being overstepped in the first place. This presupposition is false. If no peace, war. If war fought by horrifying means, it will continue to be fought by horrifying means until there is a peace agreement, or one side is utterly defeated, and unwilling or unable to resist the horrifying means applied by the other side.

Mr.P says:

Excellent overview by MacGregor. Thanks for the link. Pretty much sums it up. Fuckin’ Brits.

Red says:

The way it looks now Russia will slowly roll over Ukraine as NATO shell supply trickles to a tiny stream. Even tossing in more NATO ground forces is unlikely to make a difference as Russian artillery doesn’t care if the troops piss yellow and cry blue tears, or bleed Red White and Blue, all shall die under the onslaught of the big guns.

The only game changers NATO has left is it’s air forces and tactical nukes.

Kunning Drueger says:

Don’t forget the Great Occidental Meat Shield. I don’t think State/NGO/Nonprofit egregore will take defeat lightly, so I expect the Polish-Lithuanian Tardwealth to follow the same path the foolish-krainians did.

https://youtu.be/bUQI6fBxG9I

Flower Power says:

Time and again… the West fucked up UA’s own chance by not throwing in all the hardware on day one… those faggots that got appointed all over the White House, Military, Congress and Media since elections could have (tf they weren’t so busy pedo’ing “aka: adopting” babies, tranny twerking, rotten dick parade flashing, stealing luggage, peddling all the pointlessly evil national and global Agendas, and gobbling cum)… could have swamped UA in weapons for even the civilians to use, not money beyond subsistence needs, but weapons, and agents to train them asap via Skype. But no, they slow rolled and pussyfoot ramped that shit in, ultimate sign of wishy washy weakness, after much of the damage was already done. They thought they were playing Putin dry, but he already got the bomb drop on their infra and arms while they were still playing tranny story hour in the White House. And the faggots Sunak, Trudeau, whoever the fuck they got in Germany, and the rest, didn’t help either.

Could have won it, but lost. At least UA had real men willing to fight when given arms… ahem, Azov et al. Can’t say that about the West’s Pols. Sad for those UA guys to have lost so much.

Now yes, the only way to win is to roll in ground forces and airpower under some type of guises of “protecting the civilians of UA, preserving the remaining countryland of UA against defenseless takeover”. (Even the UN are pussies on those memes these days, atrocities are fine with them now.) And even if they roll, they squandered any remaining rhetorical argument at pushing Putin’s invaders back across the UN border. So they’d be left camping the west bank of Dneper for next 40 years, Berlin style.

Whatever happened to the world’s assassins… they were a thriving thing back in the day, turning assholes into daisies on a regular basis. Perhaps the world needs a return to flower power 🙂

Flower Power says:

Not saying either RU or West is right, or are any less evil rulers and regimes to rule over you… others can debate that.
Only that the West fucked up and lost, again, when it could have perhaps won if it took a higher approach to things.
Anyway, The WEF style Globohomos, and Chinese raw totalitarian, and CBDC digi-control models, are the bigger threats to freedom of both RU, the West, and everyone else. With pockets of Islam Caliphate rising to screw those lands as well.

There needs to be a new counterforce model discovered and applied that will win against all those who are using power to oppress freedom for all humanity.

Your Uncle Bob says:

So much payload. Why do women misbehave?

Kunning Drueger says:

100% agree… but for some reason, and I think this is because of the other website I have been hanging out on, I think he is actually being honest with his position, and all of the GAE payload is merely the baggage that comes from getting info from tainted sources. but I am far too often the advocate for people who are actually not good. either way, the shill test is always a good idea, if only for the hilarity that ensues when a normie runs up against crime stop.

jim says:

If Flower Power is not a shill, but a dupe of shills, he will disagree with the red pill answer, but be able to notice that there is a red pill answer. If a shill, will be unable to notice the existence of the red pill answer, because he is being paid to shill and would lose his job.

Red says:

Whatever happened to the world’s assassins… they were a thriving thing back in the day, turning assholes into daisies on a regular basis. Perhaps the world needs a return to flower power 🙂

The inching towards fed posting right off the bat is a good indication of a shill. The endless wall of text while committing no thought crimes as well.

Flower Power says:

[*deleted, because you gave a stupid answer, and you gave a stupid answer because the truth is a thought crime*]

jim says:

If you don’t think the glaringly obvious answer is the right one, explain why the obvious answer is not the right one.

If you don’t think the obvious answer is the right answer, explain why.

sigh says:

[*deleted*]

jim says:

You say I am censoring, and I say I am moderating shills sent by the government to shut down conversations by derailing them with noise.

You can prove I am censoring by disagreeing with the thought crime position by arguing against it, rather than by pretending that no one anywhere ever could possibly ever think such thoughts and say such things.

You could easily prove I am censoring, not moderating. You don’t have to agree with the Christian affirmation, the truth about Soros, female misconduct, and all that. But, to prove I am censoring, you need to respond with a response that notices that I do think those things, that a great many people do think those things.

Red says:

Off topic, but more corruption by our judges:

https://archive.li/ocWYn

The only odd thing is the media reporting the pay for play scheme for a leftist judge.

https://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=405282

Sotomayor, whose annual salary this year is $285,400, is not alone in earning money by writing books. Such income is exempt from the court’s $30,000 restriction on outside yearly pay. But none of the justices has as forcefully leveraged publicly sponsored travel to boost book sales as has Sotomayor, according to emails and other records reviewed by the AP.

someDude says:

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/mp-army-jawan-abducts-his-own-kids-at-gun-point-estranged-wife-files-fir/ar-AA1dQBu7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c1e393c29a154ce1b0069acfc7008b1a&ei=18

They won’t tell us if his ex-wife is living-in with another man that is not the father of her kids

Damn, but Jim is right. Nature gives women immense power.

Dharmicreality says:

This is why we need to re-establish Manu’s laws especially with respect to women and Varnashrama. Blue pilled Hindutva is still better than unadulterated Globohomo but surely it is sliding left over time.

Western Taliban says:

Not more than it gives you.

Notice that the man had no problem walking up to the house and taking his kids, he wins. At that point he could have done anything he wanted and there was nothing that could have stopped him, he could have raped her, killed her, everything.

He is not suffering because of the woman, he is suffering because of the men in government and its mercenaries. In truth, the woman is not a real problem for the man, the man solved that real quick. The problem is the government that insists on attacking, subduing and destroying him. This is not a war between men and women, as women cannot wage the war and they want to lose it anyway. This is a war between a group of men who want to enforce a certain ideological tyranny on other men and have no quarrel doing it at gunpoint.

I imagine in your country some 100 years ago the police would have told the woman she is a stupid whore and told her to shut the fuck up, that she was lucky her husband didn’t go any further. The current public “servants” of Jabalpur all deserve a “nine clan execution”, or whatever was the equivalent in India instead of your neighbor country.

someDude says:

A woman’s power is that she can get other men to fight you on behalf of her sexual imperative while giving them nothing. In this case, the other men are from the government. The point is she can get other men to coerce you into putting up with her misconduct. Thats her power

Dharmicreality says:

That is an artificially propped up power. By the State which has made ownership of women illegal.

True as Jim observes, even Emperors with life and death authority over his subjects had women trouble and even in a patriarchy women wield significant influence but it is strongly controlled by male authority and white knighting for an owned woman would be illegal and dangerous.

someDude says:

But how do you call it artificial when it seems to happen again and again historically at places far away from each other across cultures?

Do you call the power of a judge artificial because he relies on the police to do his bidding with regard to arrests?

Dharmicreality says:

I am not sure. What are the historical examples you have in mind of a State officially punishing fathers for exercising their ownership over children and husbands over wives. Seems a relatively modern phenomenon and definitely a result of feminism.

someDude says:

Sorry, I should have clarified. I wanted to say that the problem of women being difficult and causing enormous social and political problems by stoking conflict between men is an old one. And this power is not artificial.

Note our own Legendary scriptural stories in this regard. Mohini robs the Asuras of their share of the nectar with her feminine wiles. Note the case of Bhasmasura. Note also the case of Tillotama who got the invincible brothers Sunda and Upasunda to murder each other. Is this not female power in it’s own right?

Dharmicreality says:

True but the ability of women to cause trouble is greatly magnified by the insane state religion and is greatly subdued in a patriarchal society.

Women’s present social super weapons are not inherent powers but provided by the State religion.

Dharmicreality says:

Do you call the power of a judge artificial because he relies on the police to do his bidding with regard to arrests?

I would say yes. Ultimately power flows from the end of a gun and if the police have guns and decide to ignore the judge, very little the judge can do.

Everything rests on respect of authority propped up by the State. And State power ultimately is its ability for organized collective violence. Both against enemies and against its own people.

someDude says:

The police very rarely decide to ignore the judge. When do they ignore a judge, it is because of a countermanding order from a judge higher up the chain of command. How often does it happen that the police refuse to obey the judge’s order? As often as my hand tool breaks down.

Dharmicreality says:

But in practice police do often ignore judges’ warrants. If not out of mala fides, purely out of inefficiency. How many warrants are executed on time as per the directions of the judge? The system breaks down regularly in our country.

The point is the judge’s power is dependent on the ability and willingness of the state’s executive arm to enforce.

Moreover if an individual judge exercising his legitimate power goes against the state religion he will be overruled higher up.

In reality it is the state religion that lays down the law. Judges and lawyers are mere cogs in the wheel. Some more enthusiastic than others true, but all subjects of the ruling ideology.

Western Taliban says:

A woman’s power is that she can get other men to fight you on behalf of her sexual imperative while giving them nothing.

This is a misrepresentation of what is happening in reality.

Men in the top echelons want to turn you gay, they want to subdue you and squash you like a bug, making sure that you are turned into an obedient NPC they can exploit. Denying you access and ability to family, reproduction and your rightful place as a patriarch keeps you weak, demoralized, apathetic, controlled.

So this men use women as their agents, using their complaints and a narrative as an excuse to destroy you. They do it this way because this men are in truth weak and their means are subversion and low cunning. They need to present a false image and a false consensus towards the mass of men because direct challenge would see them squashed like bugs.

When this whore went to the police she was not a “woman”, but a government agent cooperating with the men in government to destroy her husband.

If this woman would have not gone to the police, but instead to random men and tried to convince them to fight her husband “on behalf of her sexual imperative” they would have laughed at her on the streets.

So no, she cannot get other men to coerce you into putting up with her misconduct. What she can do is act as a government agent and cooperate with the government to destroy you. That’s not her power, that’s the government’s power and scheme, she’s just a convenient client.

You see the same situation between businesses and workers in Europe all the time, and at the end of the day the workers are not having their lives improved at all unless they are fake workers who literally get direct paychecks by the government. Being a “worker” doesn’t give you magic powers of democracy that can make the business bulge, but if you ask an NPC retard about it they’ll swear that it does and that if you go down the street and demonstrate with a group of people the magic fairy of democracy will share her magic dust and things will magically get better, which is why they do it all the time and it’s their knee-jerk reaction, they are absolute retards getting duped. And you’re getting duped here with the woman thing.

notglowing says:

Denying you access and ability to family, reproduction and your rightful place as a patriarch keeps you weak, demoralized, apathetic, controlled.

In reality the king is only king of his country when the husband is the patriarch of his family.

The people at the top push feminism out of cultlike religious fervour, not because of a calculated ploy to stay in power. Making men gay has never served the aristocracy. In fact, the aristocracy does not exist anymore.

So this men use women as their agents, using their complaints and a narrative as an excuse to destroy you.

They’re not using them as agents. They’re as much subject to the whims of women as you are.

And women do not act this way because they’re instructed, they act this way because they are women and require control.
Yes, it is ultimately the fault of the government, because the government will not let men take charge of their women and their house, but that’s not all you’re saying.

If this woman would have not gone to the police, but instead to random men and tried to convince them to fight her husband “on behalf of her sexual imperative” they would have laughed at her on the streets.

Evidence shows that in fact, there are quite a lot of men willing to simp and act as white knights to women. Many cases of women pitting men against each other this way; however it’s true that it wouldn’t be a problem without the government.
But the woman isn’t an agent of the state, the state is the one acting on her behalf.
Plenty of women got emperors killed in conspiracies due to jealousy or personal interest. They were certainly not agents of power. They used their inherent power as women.

The government gains nothing from doing this, except destroy the life of another man, which they hate, but they don’t hate him because he’s a threat to power, they hate him because of their absurd beliefs.

Destroying the lives of random men like this doesn’t benefit anyone except indirectly by creating another bureaucracy, with many salaried employees, to deal with it.
This is no calculation. Nor is it good for Power in the end. Feudalism worked just fine for a millennium without needing to emasculate men.

notglowing says:

of another man, which they hate,

* of another man, who they hate,

SJ says:

I believe it is intentional and a conspiracy, see the Duluth model. Quite intentional and deliberate. They want men weak and operating in a matriarchy, as now the men have nothing to fight for or defend and their are no tribes because their are no families. Look at what happened when the Bundy tribe got into with the government in Oregon. The government arrested one of their patriarchs, they showed up with guns, they just let him go and said, “my bad guys”.

Now what do they gain by posting this story? I don’t know if this story is even true. Back in the eighties they supposedly found a fall guy to push the marital rape will get you put in prison story, but I also can not find evidence that the fall guy actually exists. I just see the stories. The point of this story is to push the narrative in India that the children are not the property of the father, but the mother who selects the father based on her sexual whims.

Now sure here in the West most men have adopted the feminine imperative because the insane prog demon worship religion tells them that this is what good men do. Good men support the feminine imperative and they deny their own masculine imperative. Holy good men mentally castrate themselves, and become subservient to women, who will them reward them as this is how sex is handed out.

Of course it’s all insane as we know but the narrative works on most men. I can testify it worked on me as a child and it was quite the struggle to discard my blue pill programming and accept reality. To worship God/gnon means we love his reality as he created it, and we do not seek to replace it with our own insane and false reality that we claim exists purely through the power of subjective belief. Unfortunately we live in one of the most insane times to be alive.

Dharmicreality says:

Yes, the real problem is the insane state religion and the holiness spiraling around the insanity. The social superweapons of women are not natural in a sane society.

Sometimes we need to get back to the basics.

The only reason why white knighting is popular is because of the artificial high status of whores and the illegality of ownership of women by men under the current state religion. Make women property and low status again and white knighting dangerous and illegal and the problem would disappear overnight

someDude says:

To doubt that the story is true —-> Man, that blew my mind. You’re right, this could just be narrative pushing. I guess we got to see the vernacular papers in Jabalpur to verify.

I just assumed that the woman was slutting it up with another dude and the father naturally assumed that the children were in physical danger and did the Jimian thing by taking the kids into protective custody.

But to doubt that the story is true —> Man, thats like opening a portal to another mind space.

Thanks SJ

Western Taliban says:

The people at the top push feminism out of cultlike religious fervour, not because of a calculated ploy to stay in power. Making men gay has never served the aristocracy. In fact, the aristocracy does not exist anymore.

Their cultlike religious fervour is born from a calculated ploy to stay and acquire power. They defect on you to steal and subject you.

They’re not using them as agents. They’re as much subject to the whims of women as you are.

Absolutely and obviously wrong and false. Bill Clinton and Joe Biden have a longer list of rape victims than you have of acquaintances.

Bill Clinton and Joe Biden are not and have never been at the whims of women. You are because you have their boot on your throat, or if you are willing to break the law maybe not.

Plenty of women got emperors killed in conspiracies due to jealousy or personal interest. They were certainly not agents of power. They used their inherent power as women.

Every time there is a woman involved in the conspiracy or acquiring the throne, there is a group of men without direct claim to that power using her in their conspiracy or as a puppet to control in the throne, 100% of the time. You’re just wrong.

Destroying the lives of random men like this doesn’t benefit anyone except indirectly by creating another bureaucracy, with many salaried employees, to deal with it.
This is no calculation. Nor is it good for Power in the end. Feudalism worked just fine for a millennium without needing to emasculate men.

Feudalism is run by warriors, not priests. You have not yet understood who rules you and how they do it, or you’re simply very foreign to the way of warriors so you don’t understand the difference. Of course warriors are happy with straight challenges and rules for power, while priests are not.

Evidence shows that in fact, there are quite a lot of men willing to simp and act as white knights to women.

You’re obviously a beta and have never out-alpha’d anyone in these matters. Anyone alpha enough, strong enough and bellicose enough IRL here will understand exactly what I mean and how you are wrong.

The truth is that the white knights who are willing to simp for women do it like vultures fly over soon to be carrion. They smell the weakness and determine there’s opportunity. A man who openly and brazenly hits a woman will curiously find every other men looking the other direction or enjoying the spectacle. A man who is scared, embarrassed and self-conscious about even looking at a woman will act hysterical and get himself jumped.

The chad openly abusing woman vs the virgin “how can she slap?”

There are a lot of weak faggots willing to simp for women, there are no real challengers willing to do anything for women unless they already own them. And the government owns the woman, makes her its agent and uses her to destroy you. Women today are government property, you’re just confused about what is going on around you.

someDude says:

@Western Taliban, Certainly you make fair points. Let me refine my views

When I say women can get other men to fight on her behalf, obviously she can’t get just about anybody to fight on her behalf. But more often than not, if she is young enough, she can get someone to fight on behalf of her imperative depending on the power of the Man she is trying to screw over.

My friend related to me the story of one of the laborers on his farm who is suicidal because the woman is having an affair with a police official who has forbidden the man from divorcing her (or going public with the affair) under threat of imprisonment or worse, divorce still being a public stigma. Only his close friends at work and his employer (my friend). The state is not directly involved here. It need not have been a police official. It could have been the local gangster as well. Basically any man more powerful than her husband who would desire her, the feminine imperative being to keep looking for an upgrade.

This IS female power.

Dharmicreality says:

Yes, but you are confusing social super weapons provided by the State religion with inherent power of women.

In a sane Patriarchy women’s ability to cause trouble will be limited to individual men, and ideally quickly suppressed by her owner, with the support of the State.

It is purely because women have “freedom” from ownership that such issues crop up.

Dharmicreality says:

In other words, what I am saying is that even when the State is not directly involved, because Marriage 1.0 i.e. ownership of women is illegal under our present state religion, female misbehavior is uncontrolled and female shit tests tend to become nuclear, because passing shit tests is illegal and tends to be dangerous.

Western Taliban says:

The active agent in this story is the police official, not the woman. He straight up walked up to the place and stole the woman. It might “benefit” her feminine imperative, but it is not her power. And the police officer is fucking her, he made her his, it’s not like he is being manipulated and at risk for no return.

Of course if you touch a woman who is property of a strong man you are going to suffer dire consequences, or if a strong man just takes a liking to your woman you have a problem. But the active agent is always the other man.

The laborer needs to learn how to speak with the hierarchy on top of the police official and present himself as a respectable man, the problem would be solved. He needs to walk right up to one of his superiors who is known to be decent and tell him that the police official disappears from his life or he will make him disappear, and demonstrate willingness. If you are strong, you are respected, if you are weak you are walked over, rule of life. Isn’t this more like so in a place like India today?

Western Taliban says:

I’ll clarify I’m not denying women have influence over men, they of course do. Mother over sons, wives over husbands, you will care for them even if you don’t want to, it’s just natural. But it’s a degree and it’s subtle, it holds little substance on its own, and it mostly makes their own lives easier. A hot young woman can become rich overnight by fucking the right man, never lift a finger in her life, reproduce, have everything at her reach. For a man to do the same… difficult, gargantuan task.

But that’s different to the angle that is previously being discussed.

someDude says:

Right, as I mentioned, the median woman is far more powerful than the median man. This particular woman (being a laborer’s wife, poverty and all) is not all that hot. She is just young and the police official is a middle aged guy maybe 20-25 years her senior.

The angle I pointed to is just one aspect. Yes, the state uses women against men, but somewhere along the line, her imperative is getting fulfilled at the expense of the male’s

someDude says:

This is the first time I have heard a story like this. So it’s very likely that the woman is very enthusiastically participating in cuckolding her husband. If the official made a move and the woman said no, that would have been the end of that. It’s also possible that the woman made a move the way some chick taking a bath in King Solomon’s pool where he could see her naked.

So I would say that both the police official and the woman are agents. The point of female power is that the median woman is far more powerful than the median male. Note that I am not using the word “average”

Police departments in India, like police depts everywhere look after their own. The more corrupt the individual, they harder they rally around to protect him from outsiders as it demonstrates loyalty to the dept. I’m not sure what options this laborer has (apart from taking the police official with him in his bid for suicide), being poor and low down the social hierarchy as he already is.

Mayflower Sperg says:

I recall Machiavelli saying that a sovereign must never allow men to steal other men’s wives, regardless of rank, because when you steal a man’s wife, he isn’t afraid to die because he has nothing to live for except revenge.

someDude says:

India would be a much improved place if wronged Indian men lived for nothing. but revenge.

The option almost everyone chooses is suicide. But then this might be information bias. Should any man take revenge against someone higher up, the media will be directed by the government to make sure that news never gets out for fear of encouraging copy cat actions.

Carte Blanche says:

To be fair, I think female subversion and male white-knighting are two sides of the same coin, largely inseparable from one another and forming a positive feedback loop.

Women will always try to play “let’s you and him fight” whenever there are two or more men around, and insecure low-status fedora-tipping males will always fall for it, every single time. That is one reason why men have their own status hierarchy and, in a proper patriarchy, impose that male hierarchy on women. If the white knights are seen by all other men as dorks and losers, then the women in turn have no practical power, but if a highly bureaucratized governing body is full of these dorks and losers, then white-knighting becomes institutionalized and women suddenly have superweapons.

In other words, it likely did not start out as a big conspiracy, it was just Whigs being Whigs. Weak government -> female emancipation -> weak body politic -> female suffrage -> feminism.

If the elite are still relatively masculine, then removing enforcement will make feminism disappear overnight. Which it did, in the 1910s and again in the 1940s. But not sure if removing enforcement today would achieve the same thing, because the elite today are much more effeminate. It’s no longer sufficient to simply remove existing enforcement; feminine primacy is too entrenched. We need nothing less than our own Australia Moment where all the unowned women are told to find a husband in the next 24 hours or else they’ll be assigned one by the state, with coverture being reinstated the next day.

Vendat Tunicam says:

It is an organized conspiracy. That feminism evaporated overnight just prior to both world wars is proof of this. That proto-feminism (women’s suffrage) evaporated just before the civil war is proof of this. The elite didn’t just wake up and find their balls to fight the wars only to lose them immediately afterwards, it was and is a conspiracy of whigs (and progressives and bureaucrats and professors and commies etc).

Vendat Tunicam says:

Look at the timeline for voting and divorce and property rights, feminism is obviously turned on and off like faucet. When you turn a faucet on the water comes out slowly and then suddenly all at once, whereas when you turn off the faucet it seems to be going full bore right up until it drips to a stop. When you see how rapidly suffrage and property rights came on after Seneca Falls and then how rapidly it stopped (in some places it even got rolled back) so that the Yankee Caliphate could conquer the South you see an invisible hand turning a faucet on and off. The suffragettes who wouldn’t take no for an answer shut up and cheer for abolition and genocide.

Mayflower Sperg says:

The Whig Peace Plan: feminism, homosex, and nigger-worship.
The Whig War Plan: white patriarchy until the threat is eliminated.

After almost eighty years on the Peace Plan, the War Plan has been completely lost and forgotten. What are the Whigs going to do, ask Jim to please give us a decade of white patriarchy so we can then enjoy another eighty years of buttsex?

jim says:

War is the father of us all. A dramatic change in policy is in the cards.

Their tactic when switching back to white Patriarchy has always been a dictator with a different eschaton in their pocket (FDR and Lincoln). I don’t have a different eschaton in my pocket. My plan has always been power the system down, then turn it on again and restore to factory settings.

dharmicreality says:

I have a feeling that the rot is now too far deep for any switching on or off of patriarchy at will.

The present Prog religion mindset is to die (along with the world around them) rather than to win because Patriarchy evil bad white racist and intolerable.

Mayflower Sperg says:

I have to agree with dharmic. Reversing two centuries of dysgenic fertility is not like flipping a switch. There must be another Dark Age before there can be another Renaissance, because all that genetic dead wood isn’t going to remove itself. We cannot save Rome, but we might be able to carve ourselves a little Venice out of the chaos.

Islam seems to trap nations in a permanent Dark Age, but that problem can and has been solved by growing the new civilization in climate zones where an “inshallah” attitude quickly leads to starvation.

Handi says:

I volunteer to be the Jimstate Inquisitor who boils alive any public servant, priest, or journalist that says “abduction” or “kidnapping” about a father, of his own children.

someDude says:

Since we are fantasizing anyway, I propose inquisitors in both civilizations (Hindu and Western) set up an exchange program to study the finer points of how the other side deals with problematic civil servants such as these.

For instance, what temperature are you planning to heat the oil in which you propose to boil these villains? Will the event be pay per view or free to air public broadcasting?

It’s fine details like these hat set the professionals apart from the amateurs

Starman says:

This is the “Trump NFT” of Jim’s Blog posts.

simplyconnected says:

Whatever it is, it’s falsifiable. So we shall see.

Starman says:

It’s not a statement or a prediction.

It’s a sales pitch.

Fidelis says:

“I don’t know what any of this means, therefore it’s bad.”

Why don’t you tell us how btc, lightning, and nostr all works, in as many or as few words as you can manage, so that we know you are at least smart enough to criticize anything about it.

Failure to do so will be taken as admission that you are a dimwit, do not understand what anyone is saying, and found the best response was schreeching like a nigger instead.

Starman says:

@Fidelis

“Why don’t you tell us how btc, lightning, and nostr all works,”

For the same reason I don’t tell you how mRNA boosters, reverse mortgages and astrology works.

By the way, thanks for failing Kalogerosstilitis’s grug test. Now enjoy your mRNA booster shots.

Fidelis says:

For the same reason I don’t tell you how mRNA boosters, reverse mortgages and astrology works

Because you don’t understand them at all?

enjoy your mRNA booster shots

Pureblood R1b chad here to repopulate. How about you stop talking about things you are incapable of understanding.

Starman says:

@Fidelis

“How about you stop talking about things you are incapable of understanding.”

Kalogerosstilitis and I don’t know anything about how mRNA boosters work, or how the covid flu virus works.

So how did we two dummies manage to ignore the coronahoax and avoid the clotshots?

Fidelis says:

So how did we two dummies manage to ignore the coronahoax and avoid the clotshots?

The exact same way most of the niggers did?

Dr. Faust says:

Have you tried not being a faggot?

Kunning Drueger says:

Confirmed for screeching nigger. Is there a single chinko-merican that doesn’t worship nigger cock?

…why yes there is. Big shout out to Pax for literally carrying Team Happa on his back.

Pax Imperialis says:

>chinko-merican

Nah, I’m a creature of the national security state. I think the question you’ll find more pertinent is: “is there a single national security state creature that doesn’t worship nigger tranny cock?”

Officially no, unofficially… there’s hopefully fertile grounds for a repeat of feminism’s mysterious disappearing act in the 30s replete with destruction of all of today’s state sanctified demons… although admittedly, I’ve been swinging back and forth between cautious hope and absolute despair over the prospects.

>Big shout out to Pax for literally carrying Team Happa on his back.

Ok, now I’m (ironically) horrified you think I’m reenacting my ancient Anglo heritage’s propensity for carrying people.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/%22The_White_Man%27s_Burden%22_Judge_1899_%28cropped%29.png

On a side note, it just kinda dawned on me that Perfidious Albion clearly had the lighter basket. Perhaps the White Man’s Burden was always an Albion PSYOP to trick America into actually trying to uplift barbarians rather than rule them such. If true, jokes on the Perfidious, they fell for their own PSYOP as well.

Anyways, enough of my snarking. Starman is reminding me of VoxDay. Their hearts are in the right place, but something went off the rails. Possibly a long time ago. On it’s own, not a tremendous problem. We all go off the rails on occasion to a minor degree here or there, but that they lack the humility to recognize such possibility has lead them to further derailment rather than cautious rerailment. I am sympathetic, but at the same time I’ve mostly stopped closely checking in on what they have to say. I still occasionally do. A pity in the same way one might mostly ignore the clearly intelligent, but crazy, rantings of that one uncle at Thanksgiving feast. (I’m aware I might be that “uncle” on occasion). Regardless, there should still be an open seat at the table for them because at the end of the day they’re people and not communists…

All that said, and my sympathies stated, @Starman, you’re starting to get dangerously close to devolving into a rabid dog like a certain supposed Sikh poster.

Mayflower Sperg says:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/these-are-safest-cities-america

In other news, of the fifty safest cities in America, almost half are leafy bedroom suburbs within commuting distance of Harvard. Why are all liberal cities crime-infested shitholes except the one that started it all? Gov. Abbott should drop off the next 100,000 border-crossers there, and tell them that wherever they see an “All are welcome” or “No one is illegal” sign, that’s their new home.

Red says:

Why would Abbott do that to his masters? Abbott is overseeing the transition of Texas from a Red State a Blue state and he’s doing a bang up job at it.

Mr.P says:

“… and he’s doing a bang up job at it.”

Indisputable. And a few friends outside the fetid crime-overrun Texas metropoli are noticing.

Starman says:

Notice that all the midwit nerd commentators here will attack me, but will not attack TheDividualist, who actually unironically believes in coronahoax deaths, and voluntarily took the mRNA clotshots and even the booster.

Kunning Drueger says:

You are not going to escape the bullycide You have requested by trying to find a whipping boy. quit being a fucking woman.

alf says:

Stop lying.

Look at the comments when Dividualist announced he had taken the shots.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

I’m sorry for your loss

Kunning Drueger says:

I am not allow

Doom says:

Your post was a statement which amounts to a character attack against Jim

The dividualists post was a good faith response to your argument.

You’re not even comparing apples with apples!

And furthermore, you think that thedividualist who, while he clearly has made mistakes, at least posts in good faith, is a more warranted target than yourself?

You attack Jim for being a “bad character”, and thedividualist, and wonder why people are attacking you for being a bad character?

Galatians 6, buddy.
A man reaps what he sows.

Kunning Drueger says:

Starman says:

“There is no such thing as “friendship between anonymous handles.” Friendship is a long, long face-to-face thing. This not a community, it’s just guys with anonymous handles hanging around.”

Blackpill, enemy script, divide & conquer tactics.

Of course, OF COURSE, an online dialogue between pseudonymous and anonymous people is no replacement for face-to-face human interaction. that being understood, the realities of our time dictate that we must act in risky ways under uncertain circumstances. we must have faith in strangers, and we must treat friends and family as enemy agents. but notice how Starman is one of the more vocal people who has attacked me for encouraging any type of IRL interaction. Of course, we run the risk of dealing with glowniggers, but we are fast approaching a point where we are damned if we do and damned if we don’t. so I have absolutely no time or consideration for cryhard faggots who say “anyone who advocates for traditional network building is a FED” one minute, then the very next proclaiming that “anyone who is not connected in a traditional network is not connected at all.”

If someone can clarify how this isn’t a bunch of shill nigger hogwash, I’m all ears. As it stands, Starnigger is an enemy shill. I’m not saying he’s compromised in the same way that Pooch (RIP) is, but this point, he’s just friendly fire.

What’s the equivalent of the shill test for friends that have decided to make themselves enemies? I assume his paper tiger ego is thoroughly incapable of humbling himself, but let’s say he realizes he’s being a jackass and wants to change that. wat do?

SJ says:

Neglected children will turn to getting negative attention rather than no attention. This unfortunately results in adults who do not know how to get positive attention and who do not know how to self validate. Self validation is a skill that can and should be learned, if they are willing.

Adam says:

The guy needs to get on TRT like yesterday and start working a barbell. This is all just female drama at this point.

jim says:

Yes.

Carte Blanche says:

I don’t see why we shouldn’t take him at his word. His Gab profile shows 35,000 posts over a 4-year period, which nets to just under 25 per day. That covers only the posting, not the consumption. I’d count that as a bona fide addiction, proof of how continuous exposure to unmoderated social media with positive feedback loops will eventually rot your brain, turning you into a mindless zombie chasing the next upboat-cum-dopamine-hit.

When he says he’s not looking for friends, I believe him. There’s a distinct “notice me senpai” vibe, but that’s a slightly different thing, and the Star Prophet is never going to notice him, hence glomming onto whomever else seems sort of alpha.

Which in and of itself would be beneath notice and was beneath notice until he decided to try a variant of the chess cheating scam, in which you replay the opponent’s moves to a computer and then replay the computer’s moves to the opponent, and in so doing has created an unwanted conduit between this blog and the social media filth that is supposed to be moderated away.

You could call it shilling, in a limited sense, because shilling is unresponsiveness and passing messages between entities is unresponsive. But it is not shilling with intent to shill, simply anti-social and self-destructive behavior driven by addiction, downregulation and harmful incentives. In practice, may not be much better; he is no more likely to back down than a meth addict is to go cold turkey, and we aren’t in any position to stage an intervention.

Trained animals have been known to revert to feral states and have to be put down. C’est la vie.

simplyconnected says:

Starman says:

This not a community, it’s just guys with anonymous handles hanging around.

And yet, how many people can one openly talk to about these issues. In my case one friend and one family member. A loose community where one can speak honestly is, in some aspects, better than lots of friends with whom you can’t speak your mind.

Doom says:

Let’s play devils advocate for Starmans position.
He has specific requirements for friendship, likely, some type of protection, be it financial or physical. It isn’t that he is a shill, per se, but has that very typical western feminine mindset, wherein if a person would not gift you the benefits of the defect/ cooperate pairing, they are not your friend.

Despite having been moderated by Jim previously, I consider him a friend. In the sense that he calls me out on my shit without worrying about my precious ego.

He doesn’t do it to harm me, he does it to BENEFIT me. That is co-operate co-operate right there.

You too, KD. I respect your position and I will always co-operate with you in the sense that I will not argue with you in bad faith. If you tell me I have misinterpreted you, I will believe and give you the benefit of the doubt.

That, to me, is what “friendship” is. We are not destroying each other, not competing against each other for dominance.

As far as how to do a shill test, hmm. I think you are correct in your interpretation too. Look for the obvious contradictions in mindset. People who claim that their point of view is superior based on zero evidence are invariably emotional children.

For example, a socialist viewpoint – we need a social safety net – without the corresponding social controls to ensure everyone contributes their fair share.

“We need universal healthcare BUT people do not have any obligation to pay into the system or look after their own health”

That’s what I consider a shill viewpoint. Demand for benefit without cost.

jim says:

> I consider a shill viewpoint.

The standard meaning of “shill” is someone who pretends to be a third party, who is in fact spruiking for the salesman or the con man, because he is paid to do so. Which are the shills I call out.

On this blog, we get of course primarily government sponsored shills, but I get a few investment scams. Lots of non government shills go after gold bugs and naive crypto investors who do not understand crypto. Have been known to turn up here, though it is uncommon. Last one was spruiking for FX, a few days back.

Doom says:

I know that, I meant in the context of how one can identify an actual shill.

I think a fairly well established viewpoint here is that there is no free ride. People who argue against the possibility of a free ride are clearly going to be shills – crypto scammers are definitely the type that want a free ride.

EG, I think your perspective on crypto is pretty utilitarian – the desire for a private, uninflatable currency base. Anyone who is against that is clearly a shill.

Mayflower Sperg says:

For non-Aussie readers:

spruik, pronounced “sprook”, verb, informal, Australian

speak in public, especially to advertise a show.
“men who spruik outside striptease joints”

promote or publicize.
“the company forked out $15 million to spruik its digital revolution”

Carte Blanche says:

A test is useful or interesting to the extent that it makes accurate predictions about the testee.

Jimian/Shamanic shill tests predict, with strikingly high accuracy and precision, how any given account will reply to many dozens of related questions. Most importantly they predict responsiveness – an account that fails one of the tests is invariably incapable of honest engagement and will always “assume the sale”, attempting to debate from the frame that we already agree with the premises that we clearly do not agree with.

Tests that are only descriptive and do not attempt to make falsifiable predictions have no meaning and no utility. Quizmaster Homer understands the form of a test, but not its function: https://youtu.be/Yn_DaQU8Png

Quizmaster Homer can regurgitate a useful test as designed by others, but cannot craft his own test, nor evaluate the validity or usefulness of a new test, without outside help.

On the rare occasion that Quizmaster Homer takes the quiz himself, he will be unpleasantly surprised.

Pete says:

So why are insurance companies leaving Florida? Virtue signaling because of anti-trans laws or what?

https://www.wfla.com/news/farmers-insurance-drops-tens-of-thousands-of-policies-in-florida/

“Earlier this week, Farmers also announced they were cutting back business in California due to record-breaking inflation, severe weather events, and reconstruction costs.” I can see leaving CA due to an anti-business environment but is something else going on in FL?

SJ says:

Massive fraud from roofing companies.

Your Uncle Bob says:

I did not know this specifically, but I believe it.

Immigration has been a body blow to construction in several ways. Drives down wages for white Amerikaner males obviously, but also drives down quality. Workmanship first, but materials as well to meet the price point demands of buyers who positively want to see you employ illegals. You’d think people would pay for quality over time, but house flippers don’t have that time horizon. The flipping/investment side of the housing market selects for cheapest at the moment, even while invasion levels of immigration and the FIREization of the housing market inflates prices overall.

I’ve seen plastic trim that degrades in a couple years, I’ve seen outside drains that need dug up because somebody used heavy duty cardboard. Roofing isn’t that bed yet where I am, but probably it’s coming some day.

Adam says:

I have been in commercial and residential construction in central and south Florida for about 20 years. It is kind of what I imagine a gold rush is like. If I could change a few things for the better I would:

– Remove women from the equation. They drive most purchasing and can never make a decision, as well as make bad decisions.

– Get rid of the immigrants

– Toss the contracting exams, permits and inspections out the window.

Just from a contractors perspective that would be a good start. There are other problems mostly the FIRE economy but that’s another subject.

Carte Blanche says:

Construction fraud, vehicle fraud, medical fraud… Florida might be the worst state in the country for all types of fraud.

Karl Denninger likes to rant about this once every few weeks; here’s a recent one:
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=249227

Totally understandable that insurers don’t want anything to do with Florida, not virtue signaling and not a conspiracy – at least, not a conspiracy by the insurers, they’re among the victims in this particular instance.

The Cominator says:

> Florida is the only state with massive construction fraud
LOL no. Florida has a lot of people who like to ripoff insurance companies though… there are people who hope for car accidents here so they can call Attorney Dan Newlin who doesn’t seem to ever fail to get less 500 thousand dollars (I assume he just payoffs everyone).

Red says:

So the legal system is completely corrupt? Shocking how that happens in state filled with Spics.

The Cominator says:

Its more corrupt than most of the country as far as allowing everyone to ripoff insurance companies which may finally be coming home to roost now, its less corrupt in other ways. You’re not going to get railroaded in Florida for shooting a violent criminal who is attacking you. The state wasn’t encouraging people to be murdered at the hospitals. When money for infrastructure is spent here… some of the infrastructure does eventually get built. It’s not that they don’t steal a lot of it but they don’t steal all of it (in MA where I came from they stole all of it).

Florida I would say is in most ways less corrupt, but everyone figured fuck the insurance companies for decades (and I understand the sentiment as insurance companies are fucking quasi state parasites) and its coming home to roost now.

Cloudswrest says:
Mayflower Sperg says:

I was told today that Putin’s not a liberal because he signed a law that your sex is either male or female and you can’t legally change it. “You mean it was possible to do that in Russia?” “Sure, a friend of mine did it before that law passed, and he’s totally a man now!”

A large percentage of young Russians who speak English totally believe in LGBT+. They`re not just pretending so they can keep their Youtube channels. I seriously wonder if my future children should not learn English, to isolate them from this poison.

Fidelis says:

Russia has always had the problem of lacking memetic sovereignty. Back in the day, the Franks were the ones spreading the most pozz over europe, and the Russian upper castes ate it up.

C4ssidy says:

I think the model here is that those English-speaking Russians are going to rapidly and spontaneously mutate away from those beliefs as they realise it isn’t giving them easy access to state-delegated power. This seems to be a process that happens in just a handful of years. I assume Putin’s sanity reforms extend to direct political and state-connected jobs relatively quickly, but super curious if and when it starts affecting who is permitted into the top universities

Yul Bornhold says:

I don’t understand crypto, nostr, lightning network etc. but I can perhaps ask a meaningful question.

What does it mean to be a net peon rather than a netizen? If the GAE is unable to stop crypto, wouldn’t their most sound strategy be to launch their own anti-privacy crypto? They wouldn’t be able to print money, which would be a serious blow, but at least the peasants’ financial activities wouldn’t become opaque to state eyes.

S says:

No. If the US government was coherent enough to produce a viable crypto, it would be coherent enough to not produce inflation.

No other country in the world pulled it off despite ‘dethroning the dollar as the world’s reserve currency’ being a massive geopolitical prize.

Jehu says:

I’m pretty sure you need to have MAD capability on the existing reserve currency holder to be able to dethrone them and become the new reserve currency holder, in addition, of course to being more sane in your financial and governmental policies (that part isn’t hard, it’s the MAD part that’s hard). Japan I think if it nuked it up big time might be able to become a conventional reserve currency holder that wasn’t a cryptocurrency, but I don’t think China or Russia or India could manage it, even though all 3 of them can do the MAD thing.

Fidelis says:

Yen and Euro and Pound are reserve currencies; central banks all over have stocks of these notes to backstop their even worse fiat system. The USD is just the biggest and the “best” of this group. The odd duck out of the big relatively stable economies to not be a large reserve asset, to my knowledge, is the RMB. Likely due to a mix of political distrust and the fairly recent rise of CPC as a world power.

The problem isn’t MAD, it’s scale and network effect. USD used to control the most commodities and had the biggest network. JPY cannot dethrone the USD, even if it kicked out all the GAE parasites, because they do not have a large enough commodity network.

jim says:

Metcalf’s law. Everyone wants to transact in the money that everyone else is transacting in.

People came to use the US$, because after world war II, the industrial powerhouse of the world. Today China is the industrial powerhouse of the world.

But a great many people are transacting in emirati dirham, the Dubai currency, because of lower regulatory obstacles and lower regulatory risks. Bitcoin has even lower regulatory obstacles and risks.

Karl says:

These lower regulatory obstacles are not a property of emirati dirham, but of a payment system set up in Dubai.

Any bank in the West offers accounts in foreign currency, but emirati dirham in a German bank account don’t enable a businessman in Western Europe to pay his Russian counterpart.

jim says:

For eight centuries, empires have from time to time issued paper money – or wooden money in the case of the Kings of England.

It seldom lasts all that long because the issuer sooner or later does a great job of dethroning themselves.

jim says:

If you are using arby, it is way easy to use, a lot easier than a credit card and bank account. But they have all your information and are doubtless cheerfully selling it, just as the bank does, and if they go down, you have lost the money in your arby wallet, just as if the bank freezes your account, or complies with a government order to confiscate it.
This makes you a net peon.

If you are using c-lightning, it is a royal pain in the ass to set it up and use safely, but you are in control of your own money, which makes you a netizen.

Truth says:

People here tried to tell you [*what sounds too much like much government sponsored shill script about Bitcoin and lightning*]

jim says:

You give no indication of comprehending anything about bitcoin or lightning, and every indication of being government sponsored. To demonstrate knowledge about bitcoin, demonstrate comprehension of any of the common and valid crticisms made by knowledgeable people in the crypto community. Among them myself. Frequently. To demonstrate you are not a government shill, commit a thought crime, or critique a thought crime in ways that acknowledges the thought crime’s existence.

Crime says:

Go ahead “Jim”, commit a thought crime, many thought crimes, show us what u got…
[*deleted*]

jim says:

Oh come on. I have committed numberless thought crimes. Most notably on the third rail of thought crimes, the woman problem.

Carte Blanche says:

What’s really baffling to me in this case, and the reason I’m on Shill Red Alert, is that your entire post was a critique of the current state of Bitcoin, Lightning, etc. Hardly any of it was “Bitcoin Maximalist” rhetoric, it was mostly explaining why Bitcoin is not quite ready for universal adoption.

The only part of the post expressing unreserved optimism was the title. Which leads me to believe that these spammers and shills, including the privacy-coin shill and the dumb goldbug on Gab, didn’t bother reading past the title.

I wonder how many shills you could flush out by putting arbitrary titles having nothing to do with the content on certain random posts. Obviously not a good practice quality-wise, but it’s great at identifying who actually reads vs. who is just looking for their own soapbox.

Kunning Drueger says:

> I wonder how many shills you could flush out by putting arbitrary titles having nothing to do with the content on certain random posts.

I think I recommended something like this a while back. You are correct and that it would bring down the general quality, but it could also be like calling down artillery on your own position. I think I also proposed the use of some kind of signal to all the regulars to either not engage, or to play along with blue pilled takes or obvious bad takes to assist in shill identification and pacification.

I cannot recall when this was, and I can’t do a deep dive right now.

cub says:

Lmao, “third rail” my ass. Kanye would still be a billionaire if he had launched a crusade against bitches and hoes instead.

[*hail fellow reactionary, you should unite with us shills*]

jim says:

The influencer Andrew Tate made millions in part because he was willing to do what you suggest Kanye should have done.

Despite being awfully careful with his words (namefags always lie) was imprisoned on trumped up charges, and the entire media enthusiastically reported him as a rapist and human trafficker.

And I would be imprisoned on charges of raping little girls if you could find me. His thought crimes are nothing compared to mine. He was trying very hard to get as close as possible to the third rail without actually touching it. But the third rail is expanding, he was retroactively deemed to have touched it, for words that were safe when he said them, but are now unsayable. Words he is now frantically attempting to walk away from.

Carlylean Restorationist says:

[*deleted for spreading mud on the waters*]

cub says:

I didn’t say Kanye should have done that (instead), but I wouldn’t have minded if he did. And I’m not trying to “find you”- why bother with shill tests if you’re going to ignore their results?

Tate was arrested for being more influential and convincing than Kanye, not just for the content of his messages. They don’t just arrest anyone that commits wrongthink, they only go after those that have the largest reach. You’re surely already aware of this, otherwise you wouldn’t have needed to sell your old domain.

jim says:

I am not ignoring the results. You attempted to pass the shill test by giving us the standard hail fellow reactionary spiel on women and Jews. You are unable to pass the shill test. You supposedly hate niggers because magical, women because wonderful, and Jews because smart and successful.

cub says:

For someone who so hates being misquoted and misinterpreted, you sure have no problem doing it to others. I believe I’ve told you this before.

Monogamy and female ownership is necessary for a functioning civilization. Niggers are less human than whites. And you know where I stand on the tribe.

I’d like to participate in the discussion now, if you don’t mind.

jim says:

You said you “showed that my post from 2015 was invalid.” Pretty sure you did not show it. Have a go.

You are not a shill, but like a shill, your arguments are not made in good faith.

Like a flat earth shill, your evidence seems to come from alien brain wave broadcasts, and then you have completely confidence that this evidence decisively proves you right, substituting confidence and insults for explanation and actual evidence.

I have taken you off moderation, but if you present any more ungrounded mystery “evidence”, going straight back on moderation.

Look at the Ukraine Greatest Counter Offensive. Obviously planned by someone in Washington without any military experience or a glimmering of contact with reality. There is no conspiracy of brilliant master minds. There is a fractious and quarrelling cabal of conspiracies run by evil stupid ignorant fanatics. All the smart evil fanatics have been purged or in their nineties. Soros is ninety three. Kagan is a fool. Hillary Clinton is a fool.

cub says:

Your post in question from 2015 was about the inappropriate exclusion of the ultra-high IQ from “elite” professions such as engineers, lawyers, physicians, etc. I stated that those positions are not truly elite, in part because they are subject to the ones who are doing the excluding in the first place.

GAE does not appear to value the lives of Ukrainians, in fact it seems borderline genocidal towards them, so I’d say the “counter-offensive” is doing its job.

I’m just not convinced that those at the top actually believe what they preach. These are people who profess a love of democracy while rigging elections. Hopefully your Bumbling Fools Theory of the Elites is accurate, but underestimating the enemy could cause us to become dangerously complacent.

jim says:

> I stated that those positions are not truly elite, in part because they are subject to the ones who are doing the excluding in the first place

Nuts.

Not what that post was about, though it discussed that at length as supporting evidence and as a grievance. What that post was about was that we are ruled by a stupid elite that is rapidly getting stupider: Hillary Clinton being exhibit A

The problem is that they are excluding the smart from their own underlings, a lot more than they are excluding them from science and engineering, which was for a long time the last refuge of smarties. And when they retire or die, are replaced by idiots. Naturally an evil person hires evil people to help him do evil, and is a lot more worried about smart evil underlings on the inside than smart engineers on the outside. So he hires idiot underlings, and in due course he dies or retires and they replace him.

It is an inherent problem with evil non hereditary conspiracies, which evil Jewish conspiracies escape by being unstable and short lived, but we tend to be ruled by long lived conspiracies. Indeed, every ruling elite is in a sense a conspiracy, but a virtuous ruling elite can handle a great deal of sunlight, hence it is somewhat misleading to call them a conspiracy, even though in a sense they are.

Aristocratic elites escape this problem by bequeathing positions to their sons. But true believing conspiracies tend to be non hereditary, so long lived true believing conspiracies wind up in the hands of evil idiots.

Lets take a look at the Biden conspiracy. Incompetent irresponsible idiots. One of Hunter Biden’s minions, who got thousands when his boss got millions, was thrown to the wolves while in possession of a pile of inside information, an act of incompetence similar to losing the laptop while high on cocaine. He is now testifying to congress.

It seems that Hunter Biden robbed an Indian reservation. Since feather Indians are pretty high on the victim hierarchy, someone had to take the fall, and the minion that they chose to be sacrificed was on the inside while Vice President Biden was shaking down Chinese and Ukrainian companies. Incompetent idiots all the way to the top. Read the Clinton emails. And the Ukrainian greatest counter offensive has Kagan’s fingerprints all over it.

cub says:

“Naturally an evil person hires evil people to help him do evil, and is a lot more worried about smart evil underlings on the inside than smart engineers on the outside.”

Wouldn’t a shared belief system make someone LESS likely to threaten their superior? Wouldn’t they be more invested in the stability and success of their organization as a whole, beyond mere self-interest?

“It is an inherent problem with evil non hereditary conspiracies, which evil Jewish conspiracies escape by being unstable and short lived, but we tend to be ruled by long lived conspiracies.”

…such as what? How can a conspiracy be long-lived if the smart people are constantly being replaced by idiots? Wouldn’t they be out-competed by more competent people?

“Aristocratic elites escape this problem by bequeathing positions to their sons. But true believing conspiracies tend to be non hereditary, so long lived true believing conspiracies wind up in the hands of evil idiots.”

Hunter’s wealth and influence are bequeathed by his father, and he does not appear to be a true believer of anything except hedonism, so if anything his idiocy refutes your theory.

jim says:

> Wouldn’t a shared belief system make someone LESS likely to threaten their superior

Indeed it does. But the powerful Jewish conspiracies are woke assimilated, and so hate Jews and Israel more than anyone. And woke is a never ending power struggle, as each woke adherent gets to be holier than all of the other, so not an effective protection against potentially dangerous subordinates.

> How can a conspiracy be long-lived if the smart people are constantly being replaced by idiots?

It can last for generations. That is mighty long as conspiracies go.

> Wouldn’t they be out-competed by more competent people?

If you are in power, you can shut down competition. We cannot have a church or a youth group or a club that they perceive as a potential threat.

> he does not appear to be a true believer of anything

He may or may not be a true believer in woke, but plausibly claims to be an adherent, and everything he does is compatible with that claim.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Why is Hunter Biden still in the news? Why do federal prosecutors and the mainstream media continue to investigate his crimes? The fact that the people in charge are letting Hunter feel the heat implies that they want his dad out of the White House, though they’d push harder if they wanted Kamala to take his place. What’s the plan?

jim says:

Plan?

Bribery is the basic and primary impeachable offense, and everyone has known for decades that he is on the take. We knew he was guilty of all this stuff back in the Obama whitehouse. There is nothing new here. why now?

The man is obviously dying – he is on his way out one way or the other. Could be that no one can be bothered running cover for him any more.

But suppose Biden is removed or keels over before the Democratic party nomination – as seems increasingly likely. Well, Joe Manchin has high hopes. His position on the Ukraine is World War III now, and while we are at it, China also.

could be that the war faction wants to replace Biden with Manchin. Could be the postpone-world-war-III-till-we-can-build-more-weapons-faster faction wants to replace him with RFK-Jr. Could be both. Could be just chaos.

Tyrone says:

[*moronic advice on picking up chicks deleted*]

Kunning Drueger says:

Get your shit together, Tyrone.

Enormous Lol says:

The only “Enormous Move” that is coming up for Bitcoin is straight into the dumpster of history.

Mark my words… Bitcoin, in its present “never change” rhetoric form, will be out of the top-10 within the next ten years.

Don’t believe me? Archive this post and check back 10 years from now.

Bitcoin is dead walking.

jim says:

Bitcoin is in never change form?

Your comment reveals deep and utter ignorance of all crypto currencies.

Bitcoin is conservative indeed, but introduced contracts on the blockchain, and more importantly, introduced schnorr signatures enabling scriptless scripts, making possible many enormous improvements to the lightning protocol (which we have been slow to take advantage of, but they are coming along)

Bitcoin is certainly slow to introduce “improvements” that fail to accomplish their goal. If it aint broken, don’t fix it.

The lightning network plus bitpay makes it the not only the least regulated payments platform, but the fastest. Who else has a lightning network?

Your comment reveals deep and utter ignorance of bitcoin.

Look at all the dexs with all that supposedly cool ethereum stuff. The lightning network could interoperate with anything that uses schnorr signatures and has a lightning network, so if any other currency set up a lightning network, they could have fast decentralised atomic exchanges between their currency and bitcoin. The conversion channels would form an exchange with ask and sell bids. And yet they have not. Bitcoin is the tech leader. People create elaborate and complicated dexs because they don’t actually want them to be too distributed, just as Ethereum does not want to use recursive snarks for what they are potentially capable of. If you want to maximise the value of your altcoin, don’t give it a dex, give it lightning, enable RGB contracts to own your money on the base layer and the lightning layer, and set up a system for distributing the information identifying the intercurrency lightning channels with the lowest offer and the highest bid. Use the RBG layer as a connection between the bitcoin network and your network.

The next step in crypto currencies is “recursive snarks” (which terminology I do not like, because they are indeed recursive, but are not exactly recursive snarks) Ethereum is unable to implement them properly, for to implement them properly, would have to let go of power, and ethereum is not a crypto currency, but an officially unofficial federal government financial institution.

Bitcoin will be late to implement them, because it will let some altcoins shake the bugs out. But I am confident it will implement them in due course, because scaling is broken.. Bitcoin is the technology leader, and always has been. Ethereum was first with recursive snarks, but then found it did not dare use them correctly. I expect that Bitcoin will follow the footsteps of an altcoin that implements recursive snarks in the most obvious, direct, and simple fashion.

Bitcoin An Enormous Lol says:

Unfortunately those goings on don’t seem as if they will result in addressing some of the realworld necessities that real people have with real money…

So let us postulate and review some requisite capabilities of a proper minimalistic cash money coin currency that can begin to meet people’s realworld needs…

Note these are likely not Bitcoin/Lightnings “goals” (anymore, as they are on record declining to meet some of these elements), but are those of some yet to be developed coins that will compete well against BTC-LN…

1) At least 1 Billion users transacting twice a week ~= 3.5kTPS, 2B@3/wk ~= 10kTPS, 3B@2/wk ~= 10kTPS, etc.
2) Coin Privacy… covering what today are called sender, receiver, and amount, but also should not have any reference to time. Such a pure balance ledger db enables true Fungibility, and ends Colored Coins, Censorship, Spyveillance, Datamining, CBDC, 1984, etc.
3) TX to offline recipients, send to address period, not to something that must be online to receive or manage or negotiate or KEX the receipt of it. Besides both or all parties hardly being online at the same time all the time, online subjects both parties to Network Analysis thus physical location datamining, offline does not.
4) Finality under 10 minutes, no alterable indeterminate state, no longer or unbounded pendency waits, no RBF or other games.
5) L1 only… all account balances fully available all the time, not locked up in side contracts, shims, features, grift schemes, Corporations, etc.
6) Bounded growth of the dataset to no more than that needed to contain the number of account address structures, ie 8 Billion user accounts at say 8kB per struct <~= 60TiB today. If you're growing unbounded per TX, you might eventually exceed physical or bandwidth limits, do not take that risk. Be a pure balance ledger db, not a TX history store.
7) Capped maximum supply, known emission curve, laws of hard Economics.
8) Ability to include an optional arbitrary small data field in the signed TX that is size limited to say 1kB, that rolls off the network's storage buffer after say no more than 180 days, thus allowing for 3rd party interop and expansion, short messaging, and public broadcast (either encrypted, or as plaintext, or as anon via new keys, as desired), but within a size cap and expiry that cannot blow out bandwidth or storage. Thought crimes require this sole feature, and Satoshi included a form of it too, knowingly or not.
9) Fees, if any, that are forever low enough to not inhibit the receiving of a day's wages, nor the spending of them on a simple meal.
10) PoW, ASIC hard, CPU easy, volunteer, at least until any other proofs or lack thereof become well gamed and universally accepted by the entire space as being much better.
11) Post Quantum Modern Crypto.
12) DEX compatible.
13) TLS over the wire, works with various VPN's, Overlay Networks, Radio… unstoppable.
14) Consider some form of Human community based anti-Sybil possibility, or node and designs that are immune to Sybil gaming.
15) Fair Launch, no Premine, no Preissuance, etc.
16) A proper minimalistic cash money coin currency… no Smart Contracts, DAO, Governance, Foundation, DeFi, NFT, ICO, Platforms, etc.

Some key points why no one is doing these is not that they are not possible, but that, re numbers 15 and 16…

a1) They're trying to be more features than bandwidth (network, and compute node) can support at scale.
a2) They're trying to be more features than modeling the future outcome of the coin against its own protocol and usage meltdown can predict.
a3) They're trying to be more features than any hope of secure programming can support.

b) The entire space has turned evil and seeks to bake their own Control ("Governance, etc") and Greed ("Foundation, etc") for themselves into all their new coin projects.

The altruism of Anon Satoshi needs to return to the coin space before any real coin will be developed.

So I tend to agree with "Enormous Lol's" wager, because the Bitcoin people are still refusing to address these things… nor do they have any plans to do so, else they would do it today, or at least affirm it is their plan and proffer planned tech to do so solidly on their implementation roadmap as continuing toward actualizing the "Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System" of their titled meme paper, which is a title that they now clearly hold only in titular fashion.

Yes, Bitcoin, in current tech form and the mentality of its cores, is likely dead within about 10 years.
Some other "Satoshi" or anonymous team will come along that does these minimalistic things, in that timeframe, with new competing coins.
And the world will then ditch Bitcoin and LN, and adopt the new plainly superior coin.

Also interesting may be that some form of ledger db or consensus could now be used to authenticate serialized fixed nominal denominations of tokens, reopening the debate again for some form of passing those around, if it would help a coin to meet the list above. It is unclear if, post Bitcoin, any new thinking on that has been done.

jim says:

> Note these are likely not Bitcoin/Lightnings “goals” (anymore, as they are on record declining to meet some of these elements)

Nuts.

They are refusing to address these needs because existing technology does not support them and until very recently no one had the foggiest idea of how to support them, and everyone who claimed otherwise was a scammer.

To support them, need a crypto currency built on recursive snarks. And thus an infinitely shardable and subshardable public broadcast channel. Which technology has recently available, but no one is yet effectively using them yet.

Bitcoin is on the record as attempting to deal with these needs as best can be done with the existing technology: Layer two, the lightning network, and layer three, RGB contracts. Which third layer will incorporate recursive snarks eventually, making possible a recursive snark public broadcast channel that is an infinitely shardable shard of the bitcoin base layer. Which makes possible your list of requirements. Which were until recently impossible to be simultaneously satisfied.

We now, in principle, know how to bring the necessary technologies to bitcoin, through layer three. Lighting wallets have ownership claims secured on the blockchain. Using recursive snarks, create a fungible RGB currency in secure contracts on layer one and layer two.

An RGB contract is a narrowly shared shard representing an ownership claim against bitcoin. With recursive snarks, can be made into a very widely shared claim with a shardable reliable broadcast channel. Assuming recursive snarks are done right, which is hard.

The way a crypto currency with all the necessary properties would work is that there will be a small number of big high tech providers operating lightning nodes, and your wallet will give you an ownership claim against their ownership claim against base layer bitcoin. giving you a rapidly transferable ownership claim. In the normal case, when all providers are up and running, you have a wallet with one provider, and someone else has a wallet with another provider, and when you pay him, your big provider moves money over the lightning network to his big provider, diminishing the payer’s ownership claim against his provider’s ownership claim against base layer bitcoin, and increasing the payee’s big provider’s ownership claim against base layer bitcoin, and the payees ownership claim against their big provider’s ownership claim.

If a provider goes down, all the layer three wallets whose money is claims against that provider eventually form a consensus on a new provider, who can then recover the money that wound up dumped on layer one. This will take quite a while, but it will not happen very often. If your provider goes down and stays down, the data in your wallet, plus your master secret, will enable you to transfer your ownership claim to the new provider.

> 5) L1 only

This is stupidity and ignorance for the sake of stupidity and ignorance. You need additional layers to provide qualities that contradict the necessary properties of lower layers. Your list of requirements cannot be satisfied in a single layer, because it contains technologically incompatible demands.

> 10) PoW, ASIC hard

Asic hard does not work. Proof of work inherently has the problems we are now suffering. When your currency gets as big as bitcoin, people will build specialised hardware to prove work, resulting in centralisation. We need better things than proof of work, which are now being developed. You falsely condemn Bitcoin for failure to embrace new technologies, while arbitrarily ruling out the use of new technologies. Any scammer can easily whip up an asic hard pow, which is why they love to talk about it. Asic hard is not asic hard. It is just asic hard against asics you can get off the shelf at a reasonable price. Also, proof of work is easy to implement, so scammers go with what is easy, rather than attempting a real solution to the problem, which is hard. People are now making genuine efforts to make something better than proof of work, and it is doable, particularly with recursive snarks, but all altcoins that claim to have done it are scams or self delusion. Doing it right is hard. Avalanche proof of consensus works, but is prone to various failure modes, and to avoid these failure modes they have epicycles on their epicycles. Avalanche is not going to work in a splinternet world, but it works for now, because everyone running Avalanche is on the American splinter of splinternet. Avalanche’s epicycles would fall off if, as is likely, the big use of crypto currency comes to be transactions between the Russian hegemony, the Chinese hegemony, and Global American Empire. But, with recursive snarks, we have alternatives to proof of work more robust than Avalanche.

> 11) Post Quantum Modern Crypto.

Post Quantum Crypo is a scam. Quantum computing is impossible with known physical technologies. It will require a fundamental breakthrough involving new and as yet unknown properties of new materials, new material physics, fabricated in new ways, which no one has any idea how to accomplish. No one yet has the faintest idea of what the physical and material basis of a quantum computer could possibly be. Ninety nine percent of people who use that buzzword have no idea what it means, which ignorance attracts scammers like dogshit attracts flies. No one understands quantum mechanics, and scammers love to draw people into what they do not understand. If someone says “quantum”, grab your wallet with one hand and your weapon with the other.

12) DEX compatible.

I though you said “everything L1”. A dex is a higher layer. And I thought you said “no contracts”. A dex is a second layer built on contracts in the base layer.

The trouble is that most dexs are not distributed exchanges, but unofficially official branches of the unofficially official branch of the federal government that is Ethereum. “Dex compatible” is code for “compatible with the regulatory authority of the state” Dexs need to be compatible with bitcoin, not the other way around, which is perfectly doable, thanks to bitcoin contracts, and/or the lightning layer, and/or RGB but they don’t want to, because the regulatory state would not like it.

Dexes were a great idea, but an immense army of scammers have set up camp, because scammers love what people do not understand. Not all Dex’s are scams, nor always the regulatory state in drag, but most of them are. It was a difficult idea, and financially successful, so immediately a swarm of scammers moved in, plus the regulatory state in drag had already set up camp in Ethereum, and almost all Dexs are ethereum based..

A genuine Dex, like a genuine alternative to proof of work, is hard to understand and hard to implement. And so, scammers. Scammers like “Dex” for the same reason as they like “quantum”, and the regulatory state was there first, because Ethereum is the regulatory state in drag.

If you want support for exchange of your altcoin or contract, put up a lightning network and interface it to RGB.

The Mehs says:

> They are refusing to address these needs because existing technology does not support them

Bullshit. Both Monero and Zcash are rudimentarily private first gen, [*shuitting down this debate*]

jim says:

You are not capable of holding this discussion. Very few people are.

I and a great many very smart people have been thinking very hard about the problems with crypto currency that you raise and discussing them at great length from the very beginning. You don’t understand the answers.

The reason Bitcoin is not addressing them is not arrogant self satisfaction. It is because they are very hard problems, and each solution for one problem has terrible trade offs for the others. The bitcoin community has been working on these problems literally from the very first day. Monero scales far worse than Bitcoin, and Zcash’s scaling was so unbearably bad that it instantly turned from a privacy coin into a scamcoin, because they had to sacrifice privacy for performance.

Recursive snarks are a scalable solution that does not have these terrible tradeoffs, but they are new, and no one has implemented them properly yet. (And the first coins that claim to properly implement them will probably be scamcoins that, like Zcash, took a few short cuts.)

Lightning is giving us a whole lot of scalability and privacy. Bur most people cannot safely setup or run a real lightning wallet. Which can be considerably mitigated and will be mitigated, but mitigating that problem it is hard also. As a result, most people wind up using custodial wallets. Which is a really bad situation. And running a real lightning wallet is never going to be safe or easy, though it can be made a whole lot safer and easier.

Obviously we need a system with the scalability, privacy, and near instant settlement of lightning. but everyone can use a real wallet, unlike lightning. And that can only be accomplished by new technologies that a short time ago were just a gleam in someone’s eye. Because no end of altcoins and scamcoins claim to solve these problems you think they are easy. Everything is easy if you don’t understand how to do it.

Most of the altcoins that claim to address the problems are scams. Some are honest efforts, whose founders realised their solutions had terrible tradeoffs, but thought the price acceptable. Monero is one of very few, but Monero, in addition to scaling enormously worse than Bitcoin, is incapable of the scaling solutions that Bitcoin is capable of – incapable of lightning.

Carte Blanche says:

Don’t believe me? Archive this post and check back 10 years from now.

Your predictions only matter if you matter. A million anons making a million predictions tells us nothing of interest even if some of them end up being correct – Texas Sharpshooter fallacy.

Choosing a ten-year horizon and “in its current form” weasel words guarantees that no one ever will or ever could hold you to your claims. Consequently, this isn’t a prediction at all, it’s wishful thinking coated in impotent bluster that would embarrass any man with functioning testicles.

If you’re so sure of yourself, make a real bet with real exit conditions; Jim has been known to take them. To make things really interesting, you should stake your own claim in BTC (meaning if you lose, you pay out in BTC, which you say will be worthless, thus very easy for you to afford, in 10 years) and get Jim’s stake in gold or fiat or whatever shitcoin you think is going to the moon between now and then.

embeveraged commuter says:

So for a regular dude who isn’t a high priority CIA target and isn’t storing millions, do you advocate for learning to set up the C-lightning wallet, fanless mini-pcs and so on in the short run?, or would it be good enough to just use edge wallet or something to stash bitcoins for the future while waiting for better tech to become accessible?

Surely if that level of protection gets compromised, that would be the end of consumer use of crypto anyway?

jim says:

Edge wallets are fine. Way better than bank accounts. Not everyone has to be a netizen, and a netizen does not have to use his netizen capabilities all the time.

And, under current circumstances, need to have numerous peon identities. For which activities, edge wallets are exactly what one needs.

Don’t keep life changing amounts of money in an edge wallet.

Tomas DePietro says:

This block is “reaction”… reactionary, to *revolutions* started by others over time. That is why here supports BTC_LN, which is slowly approaching its own legacy sunset up against new revolutionaries that intend to, and most likely will, dethrone it. I don’t know when, but like others have said, maybe in about 10 years. I think that any coin that offers the two things that BTC_LN dont truly offer, privacy and direct p2p high txrate without intermediary systems in the way of the original p2p usage models, will win in the long term. Reading notes on this blog have convinced that now is time to dedicate all time and effort supporting any such coins that are out there developing. Really looking forward to how privacy coins will advance in the space of memethought and then into adoption and usage 🙂

jim says:

No coins that I am aware of out there.

Avalanche consensus is fast and cheap, but it just cannot handle bifurcation problems, which do not happen on the Global American Empire splinter of splinternet, but are going to be a killer for a truly international coin.

And, of course, we absolutely have to have recursive snarks implemented properly (pretty much the opposite of the way they are implemented on ethernet) both to secure privacy, and for unlimited scaling, since unlimited sharding of the public broadcast channel is almost trivial with recursive snarks.

Monaro secures privacy by dumping a whole lot of meaningless chaff on the blockchain, thus defeating blockchain analysis. This bloats the public broadcast channel. A system based on recursive snarks should not put that information to analyse on the public broadcast channel in the first place,

Recursive snarks also allow a multitude of wonderful alternatives to proof of work, because not everyone has to themselves verify the proof, they just verify the zk-snark that proves that someone has proved it.

Not Monero says:

Monero’s “privacy” isn’t good enough. There are papers and posts covering realworld privacy attacks on XMR. But the XMR maxi shills keep dodging them instead of admitting the truth. “Can Monero be traced?” Yes it can.

Zcash’s privacy, in shielded mode, is a bit better. But ZEC is a bit behind on todays zk models, and is slow in part as a result.

And both would have to get much faster to handle demand for realworld TX rates.

Both XMR and ZEC will likely be replaced.

That is when the privacy coin fun and win starts 🙂

jim says:

Monero leaks quite a bit of information. But it is hard to trace. Not bullet proof, but it makes thing plenty difficult for the adversary.

There is a lot of room for improvement. But let us not be blackpilled about existing currencies.

Zcash privacy is better in theory, but due the high cost of its zk, you don’t get a large enough anonymity set, so it is something of a scam.

HoardingMonero says:

>Monero leaks quite bit of information

The only information monero leaks is the ring signature members. Currently, your enote (ie, a “utxo” in Monero vocabulary) is hidden among 15 other random enotes (ie, utxos) picked from Monero’s blockchain. So, whenever someone checks a Monero transaction, he is looking at your true spend, one among the 16 enotes that are visible in the transaction.

With Seraphis upgrade (coming in a year), this ring size is slated to be increased to 128. So, your true enote will be hidden among 127 other decoys.

However, recently, on MoneroKon 2023 (conference held in Prague), one of wunderkind Monero cryptographers revealed a way to do “Zcash-style” Full Membership Proofs (FMP), within Monero protocol.

Contrasted with Zcash’s “moon math”, Monero’s FMP will be relying on bulletproofs zero-knowledge primitive. Which is a much better well-known and tested way to do zero-knowledge proofs.

With the decoys eliminated from Monero’s protocol, Monero won’t be leaking any information to passive observers of its blockchain; as its amounts within a transaction are already encrypted with zero-knowledge proofs and are invisible, and its addresses are, again, encrypted with Stealth Addressing scheme.

Here’s the related MoneroKon ’23 talk: https://piped.video/watch?v=IAcdRZSsIQo&t=750

The Cominator says:

https://www.wnd.com/2023/07/beware-now-feds-want-solve-loneliness-epidemic/

Government/Cathedral admits that society has been ruined. Won’t blame feminism and (to a lesser extent) diversity. I’m sure whatever they do will be totally fake and gay and won’t touch on any sacred cows. The one thing they could do without committing any thoughtcrimes is ban any and all online dating apps. They won’t even do that though.

Pax Imperialis says:

There’s a possible rollback on pornography beginning. It’s hard to tell if this, in the long run, will simply be seen as temporal peasantry grumbling, or the beginning of a general trend of full state backed reversal.

Mayflower Sperg says:

What government policy concerning pornography might be “rolled back”? I thought porn was completely unregulated, except that all participants must be over 18.

surprise says:

You’re talking to a Puritan who can’t pass the RPWQ on porn.

The Cominator says:

Who are you to slander an established poster in good standing out of the blue noob?

Kunning Drueger says:

Links or GTFO faggot.

Pax Imperialis says:

It was pretty much an open secret that online porn is massively targeted at young boys (soft porn even more so). While federal law strictly prohibits the distribution of obscene matter to minors, federal law stopped being enforced quite some time ago and online pornography companies were given blank checks.

The “rollback,” if there is one, begun in 2016 with 16 states and counting having declared porn a public health crisis. In more recent years, several states have passed laws requiring age verification on porn sites. Pornhub blocked access to several states. On its own, this looks like random noise, but in conjunction with recent semi rollbacks on abortion and trannyism creates a possible trend. When looking at the 1920s-1940s, the rollback on feminism was slow and then all at once. Thinking there would be a rollback on feminism in 1930 America by ~1941 would be seen as crazy, but small signs of it beginning started appearing in early ~1930 (see the Hays Code). Something similar might be brewing in the US.

Again, I want to reiterate it may take some time to know if this is an actual trend or just a temporal blimp of peasant grumbling.

It is likely impossible to completely ban porn, and I’m not advocating that. It existed in my grandfather’s time and far before. It is very possible to extremely limit access young boys have to pornography. A 12 year old having access is probably far from healthy. Growing up, the most my father had access to was the occasional illicitly obtained playboy magazine. Growing up, what I had access to… well let’s just say a certain image board on dial-up internet connection. What the kids have access to today is professionally made websites like Pornhub with a million free high speed Wifi hotspots.

Limited access to porn on the internet can be done without identity requirements. One measure could be a law that pornographic website requires a small BTC deposit for access (not a payment) that would be returned after say a few hours. For the same reason parents generally don’t give their kids the credit card, they wouldn’t be giving them BTC wallets. Can kids find ways of circumventing such a system… sure, but the goal isn’t elimination but extreme limitation.

AI search engines could be employed to hunt down pornographic websites and automatically set up redirects to third party BTC deposit websites. Filtering out the porn is going to be extremely easy. What I think the real difficulty will reside in, is the removal of soft porn from mainstream culture. That requires a far heavier social involvement rather than crafty technical solutions.

The Cominator says:

The age verification is a trojan horse to bring in online id verification for all web activity. Yes NSA mostly has that in their metadata but it’s complicated to get… they want ordinary federal goons to be able to track everything you do.

notglowing says:

This is my issue with it.
In practice, all this legislation does is tie up any site that might host NSFW content into being forced to comply with draconian regulations, forcing them to collect official ID of all their users.
Data which, in the case of porn sites especially, could be used as blackmail potentially.
In the case of sites with mixed used where politics is discussed (ie reddit) it’s even more of a problem. A site like 4chan might well become entirely illegal.

For any site with user generated content, complying with these “child safety laws” even if they are not trying to be a porn site, means monitoring all their content and spending time and effort to comb through it.

This is an insane overreach which is sure to destroy any independent social media in due time.

Red says:

It is likely impossible to completely ban porn, and I’m not advocating that. It existed in my grandfather’s time and far before. It is very possible to extremely limit access young boys have to pornography. A 12 year old having access is probably far from healthy. Growing up, the most my father had access to was the occasional illicitly obtained playboy magazine. Growing up, what I had access to… well let’s just say a certain image board on dial-up internet connection. What the kids have access to today is professionally made websites like Pornhub with a million free high speed Wifi hotspots.

So? Porn is a minor vice. The lets ban porn is just another McChristain effort to ignore the elephant in the room: Their daughters are sluts and their sons are told lies about the nature of women. My local McChristain Church teaches that women want protectors so all the young men are being taught to white knight for them. The number of women those young men will bang is zero.

The other day on twitter some McChristain Influencer was bragging about how some 18 year old chick DMed saying that because of him she’s going to save herself from marriage. This is the sort of guy urging Christian to be strong and resist having sex for sex outside of marriage is evil! I called him a heretic for not telling her to go to father and demand that he find her a suitable young man to marry. She should be married and pumping out Christian babies as God commands.

Porn producers and Kikes(I repeat myself) should be arrested and tortured to death on live TV for distorting the mating dance, but porn itself shouldn’t be banned. The idea that it wires men wrong is stupid. The thing that’s wiring men wrong is the total lack of access to virginal wives and the endless lies about the mating dance. Sure if there was no porn there would be more violence from sexless young men, but why would we want that? What we should want is restoring Coverture and giving those young men wives and with that the minor evils that come from porn and hookers largely goes away.

Pax Imperialis says:

should be arrested and tortured to death on live TV for distorting the mating dance
[…]
The idea that it wires men wrong is stupid.
[…]
and endless lies about the mating dance

The current porn is distorting the mating dance, but definitely not by wiring men wrong, but it’s definitely helping spread endless lies about the mating dance which men internalize as mental models, which is totally different from wiring men wrong!! 🙃 Red, all those lies are ultimately wiring in the brain that take hold because of squishy brain chemicals.

So let’s say we kill off all the current porn producers via televised torture. This is totally different from an effective ban! 🙃 People respond well to power, and you’re proposing the ultimate display of power. The type of power reserved for things we agree to ban.

You’re having an emotional reaction to the subject matter and going all over the place.

So? Porn is a minor vice. The lets ban porn is just another McChristain effort to ignore the elephant in the room

Yes a minor vice, and so I suggested a modest policy of limiting access of porn by young children (very much a coup complete objective). That isn’t some drastic or crazy measure. This is the historical Western standard. This can be done without ID requirements and so government attempt to use ID requirements are suspect. All the people trying to put porn in school libraries are obvious groomers. The same way the people targeting (soft and hard) porn to children on the internet are obvious groomers. Some wish to distort the mating dance because they are pederasts, some because they are progressives, some because they are subversive, some because they are GAIA whoreshippers, etc. Funny how those groups all ‘coincidentally’ blend into each other.

Subversive elements of society have always gravitated toward the porn industry. It’s inherently pushing against social norms and attacking them and distorting them. You can’t have porn without it being subversive. That’s something you want to quarantine, but is too troublesome to completely eradicate because, as we’ve pointed out, it’s a minor vice.

Sure if there was no porn there would be more violence from sexless young men, but why would we want that?

On an individual level, such violence is bad, but on a group level, I think Fukuyama’s end of history is worse. We should tolerate a certain type of violence at a low intensity. War is the father and king of all, and war is ultimately about mate securing under selection pressure. I think this should be preserved in civilization in the same way the Greeks and Romans tried preserving man’s wildness in their cities. This can be done at the same time coverture is restored.

Red says:

The current porn is distorting the mating dance, but definitely not by wiring men wrong, but it’s definitely helping spread endless lies about the mating dance which men internalize as mental models, which is totally different from wiring men wrong!! 🙃 Red, all those lies are ultimately wiring in the brain that take hold because of squishy brain chemicals.

Again, I don’t see the point of banning the material. I guess you want SWAT raids when someone has a copy of backdoor sluts 5 on their hard drive. There’s going to be plenty of bad info out there, but I don’t see the point of banning it.

Yes a minor vice, and so I suggested a modest policy of limiting access of porn by young children (very much a coup complete objective). That isn’t some drastic or crazy measure. This is the historical Western standard. This can be done without ID requirements and so government attempt to use ID requirements are suspect.

Internet access in general needs to be channeled through the father of the family though a system of father authorized devices linked to his phone. That’s an easier to implement standard then yet another shitty government program to protect the children that you are proposing. Adult IDs law quickly become licenses to use the internet laws.

You’re having an emotional reaction to the subject matter and going all over the place.

You’re the one falling for McChristain misdirection. OMG porn is destroying young men! Ignore that your daughters are sluts and that McChristains are failing to even attempt to mate up their youngins.

Pax Imperialis says:

>I guess you want SWAT raids

Where did I say that? Where did I even suggest banning it? My position is that modest government policy could go a long ways towards extremely limiting what young boys can easily get access to, but you’re insistent on arguing against a straw man that you’ve falsely construed to be my position. Meanwhile, what you’ve proposed is far from modest. You want bodies of porn producers floating in the San Francisco bay, and while I’m sympathetic, it is far beyond what what most would consider modest policy.

Internet access in general needs to be channeled through the father of the family though a system of father authorized devices linked to his phone.

Sure, and how many fathers are technically capable of setting up such a system on their own? More likely, going to need businesses to step in to provide the capabilities… but businesses always answer to the government, so ultimately you’re going to need friendly government policy. This is a coup complete problem. Without ownership of the government, such a business would be destroyed for supposedly infringing on your kid’s (really the state’s kids) “right” to be groomed.

>yet another shitty government program

Government programs do not need be shitty. You’ve embraced the libertarian mindset that all government programs are shitty. A mindset that has manifested due to an overbearing and hostile government that wants your dead and humiliated. A virtuous government does not want you dead and humiliated. A virtuous government is likely to have good government programs.

>Adult IDs law quickly become licenses to use the internet laws.

Again, not what I’ve proposed.

>You’re the one falling for McChristain misdirection. OMG porn is destroying young men! Ignore that your daughters are sluts and that McChristains are failing to even attempt to mate up their youngins.

Porn is aiding in the destruction of young men by easing them into complacency in regards to their failure to own women, AND slut permissiveness is destroying young men by facilitating in their failure to own women. Some McChristain misdirection works by taking a truth and using it as misdirection to ignore another greater pressing truth, but again, I’m not talking about young men but young boys who really shouldn’t have unfettered access to porn during their development.

You are presuming I’ve fallen for misdirection while ignoring what I’ve said.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

It’s easy for a sovereign to shower people in riches; all you need to do is take less money from them and provide more security of property to them.

Which historically happens to be found a highly risible proposition for certain interesting reasons.

A well meaning special interest project and a covertly hostile special interest project can have a lot of differences, but there is one thing they can all have in common; no matter what the special interest is, it involves the creation of a new Bureau to administer it.

Mayflower Sperg says:

It would be awesome if by some magic you could make all porn and video games disappear. After two weeks incels would get so bored and horny that any female age 8 to 48 who stepped outside without an armed male escort would be immediately stripped and gang-raped, and patriarchy would be restored.

Is that why Islam’s been losing its vigor lately? Too much porn and not enough gang-rape?

Red says:

> My position is that modest government policy could go a long ways towards extremely limiting what young boys can easily get access to,

Again porn is cut rate low quality prostitution. The biggest problem with isn’t the vice, it’s the lies about the mating dance that pr0n produces are paid by outside forces to produce. Porn that actually displays the mating dances is extremely popular and is typical removed from porn sites.

Meanwhile, what you’ve proposed is far from modest. You want bodies of porn producers floating in the San Francisco bay, and while I’m sympathetic, it is far beyond what what most would consider modest policy.

It’s a very modest policy. You punish people pushing evil. No man, no problem.

The Nazis burned gay and tranny porn and rightfully so, but it would have been far better to publicly burn the producers of that porn as a warning to others. A plan of massive government control is much more expensive to create and enforce while killing the evil kikes doing the damage is easy and cheap.

A virtuous government is likely to have good government programs.

Programs that control children need to start with the father. A program that limits parts of the web to a father’s desecration and monitoring is fine. One that tries to stop children in general isn’t because it doesn’t fallow the natural order.

Porn is aiding in the destruction of young men by easing them into complacency in regards to their failure to own women, AND slut permissiveness is destroying young men by facilitating in their failure to own women. Some McChristain misdirection works by taking a truth and using it as misdirection to ignore another greater pressing truth, but again, I’m not talking about young men but young boys who really shouldn’t have unfettered access to porn during their development.

You’re arguing the McChristain position. Yes pr0n isn’t good for kids, but the solution is to teach boys the mating dance and get them started on getting laid.

When I look at my friends the ones who did well with women had fathers who taught them the mating dance. Those who did poorly never learned it and some of them never used porn due to religious conviction. All that mattered was if they learned the mating dance or not.

You’ve also been arguing that porn makes men docile when they’re not getting laid but Rome’s own fall shows that cheap prostitution and slaves girls filled a similar nitch with their Incils leading to a population of men who lives their life away not doing much of anything. Porn is just a cheap rate shitty version of this same behavior pattern.

Men need to be shown the mating dances and given the opportunity to own a woman.

Pax Imperialis says:

Again porn is cut rate low quality prostitution.

This is a completely wrong way of viewing it. Prostitution is a decentralized tangible act, thus making it next to impossible to push false narratives through. Buying a woman, even temporally, is playacting ownership. Indeed there are dangers and pitfalls of playacting, yet I know many men who have bought prostitutes, none of them are faggots, many of whom eventually found a woman they could own for real even if it was the local stripper that required massively physical shit tests. Porn is media, theater, a thought and an idea. That makes porn significantly easier to warp towards falsehoods, and porn is always attempting to push the boundary, on average, far more than the typical john.

Just as Gnostic heresy has always proliferated in the “thought” industries rather than the “material” industries, porn is prone to Gnosticism in a way that prostitution isn’t. So when you say:

it’s the lies about the mating dance that pr0n produces are paid by outside forces to produce.

you’re failing to realize that those lies are inseparable from the spirit of porn in the first place. You’re failing to realize that those lies mostly do not come from “outside” forces but from within. Gnosticism has always been an inside force that flourishes when people are no longer bound to the material realities.

A plan of massive government control is much more expensive to create and enforce

Not what I proposed. In fact, we had more or less the same idea in spirit and if you’d stop reacting with immediate hostility, you would have seen that. As you’ve pointed out:

Internet access in general needs to be channeled through the father of the family though a system of father authorized devices linked to his phone.

Which is mighty similar to what I proposed:

One measure could be a law that pornographic website requires a small BTC deposit for access (not a payment) that would be returned after say a few hours. For the same reason parents generally don’t give their kids the credit card, they wouldn’t be giving them BTC wallets.

The difference being that the control is based on the father’s anonymous BTC wallet rather than a singular device. Another difference being that a friendly government is supplementing the system of patriarchal control by using it’s power to prevent bad actors from actively trying to subvert the patriarch’s control. Under your system, should a hostile force try to subvert the efficacy of the authorized devices linked to the father’s phone, or even worse a hostile government supporting it, what is the recourse? At that point, might as well not have internet in the first place, a proposition similar to avoiding the outside world. Do you not see how a friendly government is a prerequisite to strong, widespread patriarchy?

Our difference lies in how we believe control to be achieved. I do not believe such a system would be possible without a friendly government, which is not the same as asking for massive government control. The Hayes Codes were not the result of massive government control being as they were a self imposed social agreement, but they were certainly the result of a friendly patriarchal government reminding Hollywood which side of their bread is buttered. Without the Hayes Codes and a friendly government, nearly all media has devolved into an orgy porgy of pornography. You can’t even watch the Superbowl these days without seeing a recreation of the Whore of Babylon, just like you can’t even walk on the streets of major American cities without stepping through drug addict street shitters. Vices do have externalities, and while government for the most part shouldn’t ban vices, it certainly has to deal with the fallout, and to some degree limit the extent of.

Sure, you can advocate the state killing to handle the problem, and there is a legitimate debate to be had as I’m sure TC would be familiar with, and I would be happy to have it with you, but you have not been legitimately debating with me because you’ve been arguing against a McChristian caricature that you’ve falsely construed as my positions. They are not the same positions. You’ve allowed your righteous anger towards McChristians to at times devolve into wrath. Get a damn hold of yourself.

Red says:

> Buying a woman, even temporally, is playacting ownership.

Not really. The more professional the hooker the closer it is to a bad porn experience where there’s limited mating dance and no ownership. You skip the mating dance entirely in most cases. Going down on hookers is the fucking norm in the US. The relationship between John’s and most hookers is more like simping with actual release at the end, but only in a condom.

In 3ed world nations where you actually buy a woman over night that’s much closer to ownership, but that’s almost never practiced in the US outside of men who toss drugs at the girls or who pay out enormous sums to have them overnight(2k min).

You can and will get shit tested by hookers but only with girls you attempt to own. Where you can practice things with prostitutes is when you go off script: Aggressive, forcing them to do things they initially resist, act in a manner manner. Actually trying to own a hooker however requires a level of shit test passing that’s nuclear level.

Pax you seem to have limited experience with a lot things you like talk about at great length.

Pax Imperialis says:

Not really. The more professional the hooker the closer it is to a bad porn experience where there’s limited mating dance and no ownership. You skip the mating dance entirely in most cases. Going down on hookers is the fucking norm in the US. The relationship between John’s and most hookers is more like simping with actual release at the end, but only in a condom.

During the occupation of Japan for several decades, during the Korean war and a good several decades after, and during the Vietnam war servicemen would pay for exclusivity contracts with the whores such that they would be, presumably, the only John the whore would be servicing. Often, the whore would get pregnant by her “exclusive” John, by “accident,” and the John would surprisingly, more often than one would think, completely buy her out with marrying her. Many times the John would not and the child be put up for adoption. This is why many Hapa’s came into existence back when miscegenation was still a major taboo on both sides of the equation.

These days, when it still happens, it’s usually in countries where the US government is willing to pretend to be blind. Many service members, even today, have secondary families in the Philippians that they send monthly checks to, and US Mil typically only prosecutes it when the service member egregiously pisses someone off. Adultery is chargeable in the UCMJ. I’ve got an uncle who, by the book, would have been charged a dozen times for having multiple families everyone knew about, but he was a damn fine officer so… well he retired on full benefits. He even was involved in black market smuggling of PX goods. That too, did not result in any UCMJ action, only being passed over for promotion once… a 1 year delay.

In 3ed world nations where you actually buy a woman over night that’s much closer to ownership

On the historical scale, this was the norm. That it was relegated to 3rd world nations is a very modern mid 20th century Western development.

that’s almost never practiced in the US outside of men who toss drugs at the girls or who pay out enormous sums to have them overnight(2k min).

It’s not practiced inside the US because taming whores takes a lot of “domestic violence,” and the US government is constantly sniffing around for “domestic violence” to prosecute. While women who are actually beaten mysteriously don’t report to the government, men don’t think in those terms because they are extremely responsive to hierarchy. If the hierarchy says don’t beat women, most men are likely to be fearful of beating women, and thus less likely to get involved with women who require beating to be ownable, which in most cases, even outside of the specifics of prostitution, going to result in many unowned women and lonely men.

tl;dr, it’s not practiced in the US only because the federal government is the 900 pound gorilla preventing it. Prior to the US government interfering, such practices were common, i.e many of the marriages in the 1800s to early 1900s Wild West were with women of questionable origins…

You can and will get shit tested by hookers but only with girls you attempt to own.

Attempting to own whores is the natural impulse, but

Actually trying to own a hooker however requires a level of shit test passing that’s nuclear level.

is highly illegal.

Pax you seem to have limited experience with a lot things you like talk about at great length.

You are mistaking my historical, long term perspective for ignorance of the “current year.” I have fleeting interest in talking in terms of the “current year,” in relation to questions of the spirit, as it’s both neither truth nor eternal, but I can indeed speak in “current year” if you insist. What you say of modern examples of prostitution is true, that OnlyFans/VTubers/Twitch simping is vacant of ownership playacting and that porn an ever lesser shadow. That, to my shameful admittance, the Instagram whore right outside US Military bases charging 2K for diner, sex not included (and may not even happen), is indeed not playacting ownership for the John… but none of that is the norm. Not according to men just a couple of decades older than me, not according to my grandfather and his father and their peers, not according to the ancient texts of the Romans and Greeks who would purchase prostitutes from the brothels, not according to the ancient texts of the Orient that describe the very same.

Indeed, I have no experience in many things on the historical scale simply because I wasn’t alive 50, 100, 200, […] 1000 years ago, but I can certainly repeat what wiser men who were alive back then said, and I’m interested in their truths that carry the weight of eternity.

But this is all besides the point I made. Porn is an idea and fantasy in it’s totality, easily malleable in accordance to the current day propaganda. Completely devoid of physical experience. It’s the porn addicts on Discord and Twitter that are chopping their dicks off and pretending to be women. I see no whoremongerers doing the same. That was my initial point on how the dangers of porn are unique in comparison to prostitution and why they are not comparable.

Red says:

>You are mistaking my historical, long term perspective for ignorance of the “current year.” I have fleeting interest in talking in terms of the “current year,”

Pax you’re been making nothing but current year arguments on porn. I’ve already pointed out that porn that actually shows the mating dance, which is in high demand mysteriously disappears from porn sites.

Both current year porn and current prostitution is really fucked up thanks to the GAE. Again, hookers are better, but over hookers don’t help the issue much more than porn. Rome went down the drain fucking hookers and slave girls all the way to the bottom. The lack virgin obedient wives for men who do their part is the problem.

Your concern for men you claim porn turned men into post op trannies is “touching”, but the reality is that’s the mentally ill crowd who should be put back into mental institutions ASAP.

Pax Imperialis says:

Red, I did not want to do this, but my tolerance has its limits. This goes beyond simple miscommunication. You’ve been arguing like a woman, constantly shifting goalposts and putting words into my mouth.

Pax you’re been making nothing but current year arguments on porn.

My argument is rooted in Patriarchy. This is far from current year. Patriarchs should have control of their children’s upbringing and that means extremely limiting access to porn. Indeed, I was not explicit in my position, as it was largely between the lines, and it appears to have initially tripped you up:

It is likely impossible to completely ban porn, and I’m not advocating that.
[…]
It is very possible to extremely limit access young boys [i.e. young children] have to pornography.
[…]
Limited access to porn on the internet can be done without identity requirements.
[…]
BTC deposit for access (not a payment)
[…]
reason parents [i.e Patriarchs because matriarchs don’t do discipline outside of male authority] generally don’t give their kids [and not just young boys but young girls as well] the credit card, they wouldn’t be giving them BTC wallets.
[…]
Can kids find ways of circumventing such a system… sure, but the goal isn’t elimination but extreme limitation.

The patriarchs of ancient Greece valued control over appetite and eros. They did not condition their children with debauchery. They did not ply their kids with pornographic pottery/fresco/literature (like the late Romans did) nor take them to the whorehouses. They conditioned them with Spartan conditions and Stoicism. As I later pointed out:

limiting access of porn by young children […] is the historical Western standard.

Your immediate reaction was to decry banning porn:

The lets ban porn is just another McChristain effort to ignore the elephant in the room: Their daughters are sluts and their sons are told lies about the nature of women. My local McChristain Church teaches that women want protectors so all the young men are being taught to white knight for them. The number of women those young men will bang is zero.

Nowhere did I advocate banning porn, yet that’s where you immediately tried to take the conversation multiple times. Then you went off ranting about other McChristain and kike misdeeds. You’re so subsumed by wrath at other people tangentially related to the topic at hand that you can’t hear what I’ve been saying.

I followed up by pointing out you were not being conversation capable:

You’re having an emotional reaction to the subject matter and going all over the place.

and again you go off ranting again about banning porn and then push the envelope even further by claiming I want to people hurt for indulging in a minor vice. No where did I advocate SWAT kicking down doors over a minor vice, or anything even approaching that. At this point I can no longer pass this off as simply ‘miscommunication.’

Again, I don’t see the point of banning the material. I guess you want SWAT raids when someone has a copy of backdoor sluts 5 on their hard drive.

and then you halariously ended up agreeing with me without realizing it:

Internet access in general needs to be channeled through the father of the family

but rather than recognizing the point of agreement, you go off accusing me of:

falling for McChristain misdirection. OMG porn is destroying young men! Ignore that your daughters are sluts and that McChristains are failing to even attempt to mate up their youngins.

I was talking about young kids and you goal post shifted to grown ass adults. You also know I’ve made many, many posts about how America is practically a Babylonian whorehouse. Full of universities where sacred prostitution takes place. I’m not ignoring these problems. Hypocritically, you complain of misdirection when you’ve been doing misdirection this entire time.

We then started talking about the nature of porn and prostitution, on this topic you’ve been more capable of conversation, but have still resorted to personal attacks rather than the actual idea.

Pax you seem to have limited experience with a lot things you like talk about at great length.

Well, I too can also play that game, ‘Red, with all your knee jerking fear and loathing of a hypothetical porn ban (which I never suggested), do you have an out of control porn addiction you’d like to confess to?’ I don’t want to play that game of character destruction because we are not enemies, but you’ve more than once have gone there, and as I’ve said before, my tolerance has limits. Regardless, back on topic…

My point being that porn is inherently an idea, not an act of physical participation, a problem that has become extreme with the advent of film and editing technology, which opens it up to subversions of demonic qualities far easier than decentralized prostitution. That is not to say state sponsored centralized prostitution isn’t a problem. It’s a major problem, as Hesiod noted it results in a society of docile men, not so different from what we see today with our state sponsored pornified whore society.

…the sensual magic of the sacred whores ‘mellowed the behavior of men.’

State sponsored whoring is panem et circenses. It’s theater which is really to say, whoring with pornographic qualities. Thus it’s easier to push state narratives than with simple decentralized prostitution.

However, state sponsored prostitution is extremely abnormal in the West on the historical time scale. Mostly appearing in late Rome’s brothels and today’s universities. The historical norm of prostitution in the West is playacting ownership as seen during the military occupations of various Asian countries. Mail order brides from Asia and Eastern Europe were a thing until very recently.

I can agree with you on this:

Both current year porn and current prostitution is really fucked up thanks to the GAE.

but the past 20 centuries of porn was also fucked up and promoting falsehoods. The Sumerian religion was basically smut and their pornified society revolved around it. The few pornographic Greek pottery was only about 1.5%, but of that 1.5% much of it was satyrs faggotry/bestiality with an even smaller fraction being outright faggorty. The Greeks, by their own accounts, hated faggotry which points to said pottery being done by subversive elements. Roman porn was mostly relegated to the whorehouses, and what survived often portrayed orgies with occasional faggotry, a depiction far removed from the mating dance. So when you talk of:

porn that actually shows the mating dance

What you are doing is observing a bygone era of vanilla porn from the 1940s to 1990s and mistaking it for the norm. It could only exist because of immense social pressure along with a friendly government that did its best to keep a tight lid on faggotry in general. Today, we have allowed gross appetites to run amok no different from the Greek’s ritual madness of bacchus.

Your concern for men you claim porn turned men into post op trannies is “touching”, but the reality is that’s the mentally ill crowd who should be put back into mental institutions ASAP.

Trannyism is simply metastasized faggotry, and faggotry is mainly spread via grooming. This isn’t a natural mental illness issue when 50% of Gen Z report being other than heterosexual. This is a severe grooming issue of which porn has been a major tool. This isn’t simply a problem of stuffing a few people into mental institutions, but a problem of needing complete overhaul of public decency.

Ron says:

Prohibitions only go so far.

If you want boys to stop wanking off to porn, give them something worth living for

Every boy must have land, a horse, a gun, and a wife. All of which are his and his alone. If he has that, he will be invested in developing his land, riding his horse, training with his gun and making babies with his wife. He will also be invested in keeping on good terms with his father and brothers since he has a lot to lose.

Modern boys have nothing so they have nothing to lose. Which would make them dangerous, except since marriage 2.0 is gay marriage, and property is also gay marriage, they have nothing to gain either.

Ron says:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ucVoc3yOV1Q&pp=ygUgbGF3cmVuY2Ugb2YgYXJhYmlhIGF1ZGEgYWJ1IHRheWk%3D

Go to 2:30

Notice how at the end of it he obeys his fathers command to tell tribal enemies to fuck off without hesitation. And immediately pulls out his pistol to make it clear someone will die if he isnt taken seriously.

The boy in that scene is not going to be wanking off. Ever.

The Cominator says:

“There’s a possible rollback on pornography beginning. ”

Absolutely won’t help and will make things worse as it will create more desperate men and more simping. Banning all online dating apps would actually help a little if women had to actually go out to meet guys to fuck it would MARGINALLY (note I’m only saying marginally) improve things.

Kunning Drueger says:

This is definitely a coup complete thing, but how would you feel about a sex-segregated internet? Too Muslim? I honestly think a lot of downstream-of-WQ problems would be solved, and discussion of the WQ would be much easier, more widespread, and more useful.

The Cominator says:

How would you implement it without a centralized internet ID system and even then bitches would be sneaking on phones and computers to see the male internet. Marrying 80-90% of women off between 14 and 16 and sending the rest off to brothels would fix everything.

S says:

I don’t think there are enough women with technical skills to maintain women’s internet.

The Cominator says:

Nor would we want them to be as I imagine in our system that educating women beyond very basic literacy and arithmetic would be forbidden to all but their husbands. We want women in general to view males as superior.

Ron says:

I really, really hope you get a literal harem of fertile women that you own and make a lot of babies with and that you live a long long time to become a great grandfather.

Because that would just be awesome

Mayflower Sperg says:

To get a taste of what an all-female internet would look like, check out “Female Dating Strategy” on Reddit. Take it in small doses because you can feel your brain cells dying in agony as you read such idiocy.

SJ says:

This is an inversion. Banning pornography would massively help men as now if they want to get off it’s harder so they are more likely to go out and meet the women who are out meeting men. Women are out meeting men IRL but they are meeting the same men, the players, and going on booty call lists. That’s fine for them for awhile as women love being on booty call lists.

The problem with online dating is that ugly garbage trash women and single moms use it. Men should only use online dating to build confidence and pre selection with the garbage trash women who use online dating.

Also ban all pornography it turns men into crypto trannies and saps their vital energies so they don’t even try.

Carte Blanche says:

Banning pornography would massively help men as now if they want to get off it’s harder so they are more likely to go out and meet the women who are out meeting men

Confusing cause and effect. Men turn to porn and hookers because they have already tried and failed to attract those women. The women “IRL” and the women “online” are the same women, all fighting over the same 3% of men.

Have you ever, even once, met a man who has a serious porn problem and who was previously successful at dating or pickups? If it were as you say, with porn suppressing male instincts, then such examples would exist, just as examples abound of drug addicts who used to have normal lives before their addiction. But they don’t exist with porn. Porn is the yin to anime’s yang, idealized sex and idealized romance, which men only immerse themselves in after they’ve given up.

You’re too quick to blame ordinary men for the problems society inflicted on them, and to blame the system itself on the system’s externalities. Banning porn isn’t going to surface a magical wave of masculinity; at best it’s going to be a big joke with an immediate black market popping up like alcohol prohibition, at worst it might push a lot of these incels – who are essentially self-medicating today – toward suicide or random violence.

turns men into crypto trannies

No. Seriously, this is retarded.

Handi says:

>No. Seriously, this is retarded.

It’s not retarded. The male erotic drive is made to be focused externally onto an object (a woman). There’s a feedback loop in the dance back and forth, she has passive and diminishing input leading up to it, including during the act, but the apotheosis occurs when he dominates her and completely removes her input from the equation.

Turning this erotic force inward upon oneself is disordered to begin with. Okay, so a man needs a release if society obliterates licit channels to reliably acquire one’s own woman. But then you add external stimulus and that makes it even worse. It creates a one-way channel where *his* input diminishes and the computer screen is leading him erotically.

As to how strongly this effects men in their interactions with women, I’m sure it varies. But there’s a very clear mechanism for how it can condition men to be more passive and more relenting.

The Cominator says:

I’ve had periods where I used porn A LOT in my life NEVER NOT ONCE did I ever think I was really a woman.

Handi says:

Me too, but that’s not my point.

Now, SJ would probably accuse my grandma of being a tranny so I’m not going to put words into his mouth. Maybe he meant what you’re saying. But when I read “crypto-tranny” I take that to mean men who don’t ideate over getting fucked like a woman yet have conditioned themselves into an essentially feminine mindset. Much like women on the other hand who want to larp as strong and independent, play contact sports and assert themselves in the office.

Maybe you’ll say that that framing is overstated and it should just be called feminization instead of invoking trannyism. But it’s not retarded, it makes sense.

Handi says:

To clarify, my claim is that the form of experiencing pornography is separate from the content. So a man might watch heterosexual pornography and think nothing of it due to the content, while unintentionally conditioning his mind through a feminized experience.

Hence the term “crypto-tranny” makes a lot of sense to me. And I find this notion revolting which is one of the reasons I quit watching porn.

The Cominator says:

There is an argument to be made that porn can turn you into a cuck but I don’t buy any argument it can turn you into a tranny. You need to be insane 1st to be a tranny and porn cannot make you insane.

Carlylean Restorationist says:

The very practical reason why porn makes you gay is that the climax of every scene is a male member ejaculating.
Just on purely logistical terms, if you’re in a position to perceive that happening in a real sexual encounter, then there’s another man present.

The only porn that could hypothetically be harmless is a woman pleasuring herself, but even then why aren’t you joining in!

It’s not that porn simulates a sexual situation: it’s that your brain thinks it’s in a *bad* sexual situation. By definition you’re just the cuck wanking in the corner while others do things. This is not solved by VR-style ‘point of view’ camera angles.

Incidentally perverts who want to dress as women and have access to female changing rooms don’t really think they’re women either.

jim says:

Enemy porn.

In the porn that normal people want to see, the male member is where it should be. But someone is manipulating what porn is available, just as they are manipulating the romance stories in non porn.

Aryaman says:

Porn is enemy porn. Who pays for its production, hosting, and network bandwidth? Not the ads no one ever clicks on, ostensibly paid for by companies that almost certainly do not exist, or if they exist profitably make their own money.

If porn was profitable, it would not be so centralized as it is. Someone is paying for it without the expectation of profit, or selling to its producers hosting and bandwidth for well below what you or I could buy the same.

Much like YouTube. Which is not profitable, so much so that Google does not bother telling you what its ad revenues cost (some of which, maybe most of which, ad revenues are payoffs). And to the extent YouTube is sometimes presented as profitable, is profitable because Google can bully providers of bandwidth and distribution to host it for a cheap price you and I cannot get. And so, the accounting should reflect a “bullying rents” and a loss on YouTube rather than netting them together.

Advertisement revenue on Twitter is down by 50 percent. Some of this is a tortious interference from ADL and SPLC organizing a boycott against the likes of GM and Ford and other normal companies advertising on Twitter. But I noticed that the ads I see on Twitter ever since Musk bought it have been much more relevant and interesting, more related to real products real people buy, rather than aimless nonsequiturs my eyes glaze over. Those nonsequitur ads were obviously payoffs which disappeared after Musk bought it.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Theoretically there is a huge 3dpd porn market, and theoretically millions of men who consume it.

You will hardly ever meet such men though.

In communities and spaces online with sections for sharing sexy material, it is all but always illustrated or animated artistic material. And more specifically artistic material made by Japanese artists and or people imitating Japanese styles. Because surprisingly men care about beauty, and that is one of if not the only modern ‘cultural center’ still extant that is producing beauty.

Or to put in other words, as bad as the proverbial /d/ can get, the proverbial /gif/ is a crack in reality leaking out daemonic warp energy from another dimension. And the few times you will ever cross a man that does share such material in such places, they are always some form of cracked, even relative to the average of all others in the same space.

Cloudswrest says:

Not porn per se, but R-rated pinup, the Twitter site @zazzma_ is full of photos of attractive curvy women. It is also subject to both a:

Search ban.
Search suggestion ban.

You can’t find it even if you type the exact name in the Twitter search bar. You can only go to it if you put it in the URL, i.e. https://twitter.com/zazzma_

Pax Imperialis says:

>Confusing cause and effect.

SJ is not, and neither are you. There’s bi directional causality going on. People ape people. It’s how we learn. Sometimes we do it with conscious intent, most of the time it’s subliminal. Most boys’ these days are consuming large amounts of porn on the internet. The brain is wired to respond to sexual stimulation with surges of dopamine. Boys watching porn from a young age are training their nervous system to expect reward without the involvement of a girl. They turn into men who aren’t even interested in using hookers, content to jack off in front of a computer.

Yes, there are men who turn to porn after they’ve failed, but nearly all men fail before they succeed. Turning to porn is hijacking the process of getting up and trying again. It’s making a problem worse by reinforcing the problem. You end up with a far more docile male population.

>at worst it might push a lot of these incels – who are essentially self-medicating today – toward suicide or random violence.

In the past, unattached young men would become bandits in the mountains raiding and pillaging the cities. In other times, they would be organized into large armies of conquest that would slaughter foreign men and take their women. Considering how vile Western governments have become, it’s probably a net positive. This was in spite of historic wide spread prostitution in most civilizations which leads me to believe porn is far more insidious than buying sex. Both are dysfunctional, but one actually requires getting physically and socially comfortable with women, something which is increasingly rare among young men today.

You’re generally wrong about why men turn to hookers. There’s an awful lot of married men or men in relationships. It’s usually to satisfy an immediate urge while away from the wife/girlfriend be it due to physical distance or relationship troubles. Other times it’s to feel a thrill of doing something illicit. I wouldn’t say in general these are failed men.

The Cominator says:

Mannerbunds of violent men cannot organize in a semi totalitarian electronic surveillance state. In time the state may break down to the point the surveillance cannot be maintained but we aren’t there yet.

Men who are unsuccessful with women turn to hookers because they can get sex I guess the pitfall for men like that is there is often very little desire to put any effort into normal women’s bullshit ever again unless they have something happens which massively raises their social status… even if you want kids you kinda can impregnate them if you want and they very often are open to the idea of potentially becoming the girlfriend/wife of a regular. I speak from experience that many take it raw with no birth control.

Men who are successful with women (I imagine) turn to hookers because hookers tend to be superior in a lot of ways to the vast majority of women and are not all the evil scheming drug addict ice queen cunts everyone thinks they are.

Pax Imperialis says:

There are limits to what totalitarian electronic surveillance states can manage. Having to prevent 1% of the male population from organizing revolts is possible with precise concentrated force, but what of 5%? 10%? 50%? At some point that surveillance state starts to run into severe trouble.

At some point, to maintain order, it requires widespread application of force. Extensive boots on the ground with orders to shoot on sight. Easy to do if the security apparatus feels like they are killing the other, but if they ever had sympathy for the people they are supposed to kill. This is how regimes collapse suddenly. The Russians, on multiple occasions, found out the military wasn’t willing to drive in the tanks… well they were but the guns were pointed in the wrong direction.

The American regime hasn’t had to resort to such measures yet because the sexless male population just isn’t rowdy enough to require extensive boots on the ground.

Anyways, that is all besides the topic of hookers.

In the past, men would marry hookers… well they still do. ‘Insert meme about Marines marrying the local stripper/juicy girl/bar girl/etc.’ This was viable up until around the 1980s when the government was willing to turn a blind eye towards the force required by the husband to make those marriages stable. These days it’s well understood that the regime will try to fuck you, so most men never bother. Sure, a woman that actually is getting beaten doesn’t report while the woman that isn’t getting beaten does report domestic violence… but men respond to regime power far more than women.

I suspect maybe, had you been a 20 year old guy during the 1970s, you’d have successfully married such a woman. I believe you can do better though today. Much of Eastern Europe is fertile grounds for wife hunting. So is Asia. If you’ve got the coin for whore mongering, you’ve got the coin for wife buying overseas.

>evil scheming drug addict ice queen cunts everyone thinks they are.

I don’t think that’s how people view them. Pretty sure it’s mainly disgust at the prospect of inserting one’s dick into the same hole a thousand other men deposited into. I still remember one of my mentors, an absolute Chad with all sorts of women trying to seduce him, failing to settle down because, in his words, wanting a wife with a ‘clean uterus.’

The Cominator says:

Most men hate the regime now but without the ability to organize not much other passive resistance can happen. Need elite defection.

The Cominator says:

Isn’t that something they tell guys in the marines and army… in general don’t get married but especially don’t marry the stripper you’ve fucked a few times.

Ron says:

If actual ownership existed than they would be encouraging the men to marry the stripper.

But no actual ownership exists, so they have to warn their men.

The Cominator says:

Banning porn even if it was effectively done (which it won’t be) would just create more simping. You are very very bluepilled. Men use’porn a lot when they aren’t getting laid.

Carte Blanche says:

Porn is the symptom, not the cause. If “rollback” means “ban” (and what else could it mean?) then you can no more fix sexual marketplace dysfunction with a porn ban than you can fix depression and despair with an alcohol ban.

The good stuff is on page 47:

“Design the built environment to support social connection.” Translation: Pack ever more people into ever smaller spaces and force them into communal spaces by removing private facilities.

“Establish and scale community connection programs”: Dump lots of money into NGOs

“Invest in local institutions that bring people together”: Dump lots of money into NGOs

“Advance policies that minimize harm from disconnection”: Expand government surveillance

“Establish cross-departmental leadership across all levels of government”: Expand federal control over local government, and also dump lots of money into NGOs

“Train health care providers”: Dump lots of money into the hideously bloated medical bureaucracy

“Assess and support patients”: Medicalize inceldom and despair, promote red-flag laws and assorted anarcho-tyranny

“Expand public health surveillance and interventions”: Looks like they said the quiet part out loud

I could go on, that’s just the first 3 out of 6 planks, but I assume everybody gets the point. It’s just progressives doing the usual thing that progressives do: find a problem that they caused, redefine it as a problem that just happened on its own, pretend to step in heroically to solve the problem with an implementation that will vastly enrich them and their friends while exacerbating the actual problem.

Same shit, different day. Unfathomably evil and yet also totally normal and routine for clown world.

Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

Even if GAE was not the ultimate most evil state of all of recorded history of wickedness and depravity, it would not work to ban porn. The Romans tried something of the sort to try and force men to get married, and it did not work. The problem is women making it nearly impossible for the average man to get laid, and the average man not being able to own a woman and thus checking out. Men will find a workaround for the porn ban, find workarounds for mandatory marriage, find workarounds for anything that the GAE can do that does not involve fucking and impregnating women in whom those men have ownership.

If GAE wants White men to man its armies and maintain its technology, it has to get them women. Nothing else is going to work, and will probably backfire and make things worse. The last thing that they need right now is a bunch of angry, horny, restive men at home stirring up trouble.

notglowing says:

Porn can be harmful to your life, men who lean too much into such an addiction end up being depressed and unable to do things in general.

But the idea that this is what’s preventing men from finding girls seems really absurd to me.

Because it has the absurd implication that the issue with men not fucking women is that they’re simply not desperate enough. That’s just an inversion of reality. There are far too many desperate men.

To make an extreme example, if something akin to a sexbot was invented, it could spell doom for the birthrate, which would be an a problem.

However, it would also reduce the power of women and their position in the dating market as the arbiters of sex very significantly. They are terrified of it, in fact. Talking about how it would get men used to seeing women as “objects”, as they really should.

Not that we have the technology to do it. But as a mental experiment it shows what pornography would do in its “ultimate” form.

Cloudswrest says:

RFK Jr. posted a tweet thread a few days ago essentially denouncing the expansion of the Ukrainian war. Basically using all the arguments we expound here.

https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1679920422572130325

Nearly 60K likes, 1.2M views, and a positive ratio. But what I find interesting in the responses is it appears to have unleashed hordes of bots and shills, metaphorical chimpanzees flinging poo at him. Very few counter arguments addressing his statements. Just insults, calumny, etc.

Anonymous Fake says:

[*deleted for irrelevance*]

jim says:

A script without real connection to the topics of this blog, or to the post to which it purportedly replies.

Kunning Drueger says:

Off topic
Here is an interview with a Western volunteer that fought for Ukraine:

https://youtu.be/4LcUj47_7S4

You don’t need to watch the whole thing, in the first 3 minutes it becomes very clear that the dude is a weirdo. I’m not going to link any other videos, they are relatively easy to find, but what is much harder to find is an interview with a foreign volunteer in Ukraine where the guy is not some complete loser or weirdo or social reject. I assume that there are some squared away individuals fighting for Ukraine that hail from the west. I have seen footage of volunteers that sound like they know what they’re doing in action scenarios, but I’ve also seen plenty of footage of just incompetent and strange guys.

I bring this up because one thing that we have discussed is how unlikely we feel that people are going to want to fight and die for gay rights, or the great progressive social experiment in general. I think this assessment is largely correct in terms of normies, and so the GAE will always have to use some kind of subterfuge or deceit to get normals of the sheepdog persuasion to carry water for them. But it is also the case that the human population, due to various factors, has ballooned to an unprecedented level. I don’t really believe in the progressive concept of overpopulation, but the removal of all evolutionary factors in terms of human fitness does have consequences. So in all of our calculations and prognostications, it would probably be wise to remember that there is a substantial amount of freaks and losers out there that are in between BioLeninist genetic rejects and normal people. Maybe we call this the Reddit Factor.

Cloudswrest says:

but the removal of all evolutionary factors in terms of human fitness does have consequences.

Mutation meltdown. Mouse utopia! We need to get to Mars ASAP. Just replace “Titan” with “Mars” in Gattaca.

Mayflower Sperg says:

What was the point of that movie? That it’s morally acceptable to conceal a heart defect so you can fly in space and endanger the whole mission? Because discrimination is bad or something?

Cloudswrest says:

Indeed. I rooted for the purported antagonists.

Jehu says:

Notice how much more functional society was in that movie than what we see today. Clean streets, low crime, functional running water and electricity. It almost seems like the artist unintentionally sent the message that you can have western civilization and all its collaterals OR you can have no discrimination. The artist focuses on trying to show how the protagonist and others are hurt by this discriminatory regime, ignoring the fundamental theorem of reaction that every social order will suck for somebody, the only real questions are how many it sucks for, how bad, and who…whom. And the artist ‘loads the dice’, by making the protagonist able to perform beyond his expected capabilities, which most of the time, he wouldn’t be able to. But notice how the places depicted have functionalities levels we haven’t seen in the US since the 1950s.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Hollywood tells us fascism is bad by creating fictional fascist dystopias that look a lot better than the anarcho-tyranny we live under today. Robocop’s Detroit in 2019 was better than the real Detroit in 2019, and The Lego Movie looked like a great world to live in, aside from Lord Business planning to Kraggle everyone.

Jehu says:

Tyranny straight is way better than anarcho-tyranny. Paul would never say these magistrates beareth not the sword in vain, as he did of the Romans in the book of the same name.

Your Uncle Bob says:

Anti-discrimination is their religion. I once read (well, started and dropped) a sympathetic treatment of Typhoid Mary. She was discriminated against! She later had trouble finding employment in the food service industry! Didn’t you hear, I said the magic word, DISCRIMINATION!

That discrimination might be good and desirable is unthinkable to them. Discrimination = bad.

If the spiral isn’t halted the day will come where they start to admit openly that discrimination has root causes in reality, yet still denounce it. You must hire the pedarast to teach, you must hire the black yoof to babysit, not because they’re harmless as currently claimed, but because the danger makes it more holy not less. But so far they’re avoiding saying that quiet part out loud, so they must believe any discrimination is a priori meritless. And because crimestop prevents them from modelling their opposition mentally, they just assume any viewer or reader will agree.

Carlylean Restorationist says:

[*deleted for being more racist than thou while still unable to tell us about the Blinken-Nuland-Kagan-Soros plot for another brother war, and Soros’s role in it*]

jim says:

The payload being that no matter what concerns neo reaction and the alt right raises, those issues are all wrong because insufficiently racist. It is the equivalent of flat earth shills butting into threads on the jab and Covid.

I am not going to let you tell us how racist you are and that we are not racist enough, and that if we were real racists would be implementing some thoroughly leftist program and would toss all the alt right and neoreactionary issues overboard, if you cannot tell us about Blinken, Nuland, Kagan, and Soros.

dharmicreality says:

Despite your best efforts, you will never be a true reactionary. Your false moustache and beard worn in a pathetic effort to make you look manly only makes you look more ridiculous as the musty old glue wears off. You imagine yourself in the battlefield thundering over your scared and defeated foes, but every effort to make your voice sound hoarse and manly only enhances the feminine screeching behind it. You imagine yourself amidst manly, muscular men watching the flies hover over the rotting flesh of your slain enemies, but wait… wait is that smell? Surely not the rotting corpse of your foes, but your stale unwashed underwear left unattended for three days because you don’t have a wife to wash it, and your mom hasn’t yet returned from one of her usual jaunts. Sighing deeply, you log in to your computer, and type in blog.reaction.la to begin your duty as your Shaniqua supervisor has sent you an SMS asking why you haven’t logged in yet.

dharmicreality says:

Not 100% satisfied. Requires some fine tuning.

Here an edited version:

Despite your best efforts, you will never be a true reactionary. Your false moustache and beard worn in a pathetic effort to make you look macho only makes you look more ridiculous as the musty old glue has worn off and the false whiskers fall limp over one side of your mouth. You imagine yourself in the battlefield thundering over your scared and defeated foes, but every effort to make your voice sound hoarse and manly only enhances the high-pitched Karenesque screeching behind it. You imagine yourself as the leader of strong, muscular warriors watching the flies hover over the odorous rotting flesh of your slain enemies, but wait… what is that smell after all? Surely not the rotting corpse of your foes, but your stale, stained unwashed underwear left unattended for three days because you don’t have a wife to wash it, and your mom hasn’t yet returned from one of her usual jaunts. Sighing deeply, you log in to your computer, and type in blog.reaction.la to begin your duty as your Shaniqua supervisor has sent you a message telling you it’s 10 am and why haven’t you logged in yet.

Red says:

I could tell just by looking at the guy that he’s a redditor.

Pax Imperialis says:

Even the competent ones are weird, although a very familiar weird. Check out this guy. He thinks he’s fighting against imperialism without realizing he’s fighting for GAE imperialism. Cognitive dissonance is strong with this one. He thinks GAE imposing pederast parades is ludicrous propaganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-pk4bOvoac

Such men are not overly unusual. I remember at MuhREEN OCS, a White guy Dropped on Request (DOR’ed) after banana war history was covered at… fucking hell… not Bobo hall, dats dem fiiiine dining and cake eating place… I can’t remember. Too much dozing off with a mouth full of cough drops during lectures… wait, I fucking got it, Yeckel Hall. Anyways, he dropped because he didn’t want to be supporting imperialism… fuck, at least in banana wars America got something tangible. Dem banana’s be good eatings.

I do recommend checking out his other videos though like this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3cdQgrrOZo

Absolutely insane. America has much experience fighting in tunnels from WW2 Pacific front and Vietnam but none of it seems to show in training as if the training was designed by some bureaucrat in DC. In fact if probably was some bureaucrat in DC.

>how unlikely we feel that people are going to want to fight and die for gay rights

Very few are willing to go out of their way to fight and die for gay pederast rights, so you’re right, but still under estimating how many people are willing to potentially fight for 3 square meals, a roof above their head, and (even if false) a sense of brotherhood. While the homosexuals are in command, people will grumble and bitch about it behind closed doors, but so long as the paychecks are incoming, the rank and file will go to surprising lengths to maintaining a sense of normality. All bets are off in the event of no chow.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Every single pro-gaytokraine voice in popular discourse today is retarded – by which we mean when they open their mouths, retardation is what comes out.

The closest thing there is to a thoughtful pro-gaytokraine voice is literally just some random guy who used to make videogame youtubes. Every single official voice, from four star generals on down, is literally more retarded than a random youtuber.

The structure of the incumbent occupation has been selecting against ‘eliteness’ since a long ago, and at this point, no such kinds can be counted amongst their ranks any longer. Young Caesar, and many of his future fellows, are all languishing on the Outside now.

Pax Imperialis says:

some random guy who used to make videogame youtubes

Perun? Allegedly he’s producing content for decision makers.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

That’s both funny and also completely believable.

*honk honk*

Encelad says:

Are they really that incompetent?
This scandal just appeared on mainstream media. Allegedly, US military staff has been sending sensitive email to random people in Mali for YEARS, just because they typed dot ml instead of dot mil.
I know that Snaniqua and company and blah blah blah.. But it looks just too unbelievable to me.

https://archive.is/DLYQI

Carlylean Restorationist says:

You don’t have to watch very much “Battlestar Galactica” to realise that having government, especially military, computers connected to wide area networks of any kind but especially the open internet, is a TERRIBLE idea.

https://www.palladiummag.com/2023/06/01/complex-systems-wont-survive-the-competence-crisis/

The author’s probably some kind of conservative, but seems to be speaking quite similarly to all you NRx faggots. What he misses is that Zog doesn’t really care about competence: hurting whites is the goal, not the means.

SJ says:

Apologies for not replying to my rather short hurried comment about banning pornography. I’m quite busy lately but have some time to expand on why. I have many sons and I teach them lessons so they will grow to be kick ass winners, so this is basically a small part of a lesson I just gave the two older ones but it explains why the rest of the normies would benefit greatly from banning pornography.

Part of human nature is that we will take the easy way to get things done. We will do what saves calories. You can see normies do this when they don’t think but simply memorize and repeat, because thinking burns a lot of calories and it’s hard. In the past this wasn’t such a big deal because the environment was so harsh that if you didn’t work hard and try you would just die.

For example the furnace that heats your home. Nobody is going to freeze to death anymore because they didn’t chop and stack firewood, yet my parents have told me stories about chopping and stacking firewood during their youths. If you didn’t take time, the effort, and suffer to chop and stack firewood and keep the wood stove burning during the winter then you would die during the winter. Now if we are a little chilly we just go push a button and turn the heat up a few degrees.

As life has gotten easier and easier people forget and they are no longer thankful for the ease. No one in their prayers is saying, Heavenly Father thank you for the furnace so I don’t have to chop and stack firewood. They just take it for granted. Now we have a new invention that is similar. Now we have instant, endless hardcore pornography at a moments touch. In the past if you wanted that sexual stimulation you had to go out and try. You had to ask out many women, woo them, and get them naked. If you wanted the kind of variety and hotness you get from the indoor furnace, wait I mean instant hardcore pornography, you would have too dedicate your life to fcking sluts like a common slut fcker. It would be hard, but now with technology you can get this sexual stimulation very easily.

This is the main way pornography is fcking up normie men. It’s too easy while the alternative is difficult and you will suffer doing it. Removing this ease will result in men being forced to go out and ask women out and try if they want that sexual stimulation. Think of it this way;

Hard times make strong men
Strong men make good times
Good times make weak men <—— we are here
Weak men make hard times

Hard times are coming, because men are weak, because the environment is like the nigger environment and everything is too easy. We are going back to mud huts because you aren't going to freeze to death in the winter and you aren't going to become incredibly sexually frustrated if you don't go out and sarge on your local sluts five times a week.

Red says:

This is the main way pornography is fcking up normie men. It’s too easy while the alternative is difficult and you will suffer doing it. Removing this ease will result in men being forced to go out and ask women out and try if they want that sexual stimulation. Think of it this way;

Doesn’t work. Such men will just hire hookers instead. Hookers are better than porn, but it still bad for men because they’re failing to achieve ownership of a woman. This is what happen with the decline of Rome and it’s happening to us as well.

Showing the mating dance and getting young boys started on that dance is the solution along with providing them virgin wives to marry and own.

Not wanting your boys to use porn is good but you need to train them how to get laid and far more importantly, secure virgin brides for them. Parents should be spending a great deal of time effort providing a situation where their children can marry well by finding them mates.

SJ says:

I am doing both of those things but I do believe that young men should voluntarily cease watching pornography and force themselves to do what is uncomfortable and start taking time several times a week to go sarge on women. I have spoken to a great deal of young men during the time I spent at the red pill and in the manosphere, may they RIP, and I do believe that the easy alternative is very alluring to the difficult and uncomfortable process of sarging. Also a great many boys are becoming addicted to pornography at very young ages. Being an older man I was blessed with not having the Internet during my formative years otherwise it’s likely I would have been one of the pornography addicted young men.

Since pornography isn’t banned I take steps to ensure my boys do not have access to hardcore porn yet boys will be boys and, example, my eleven year old has discovered he can search for bobbies and it isn’t blocked. Thus he can go look at pictures of boobs, as young men are want to do. Nothing wrong with that and I encourage their masculinity, and I discuss with them why they should avoid hardcore pornography. It’s too easy and you have to make yourself uncomfortable in order to grow.

Red says:

I am doing both of those things but I do believe that young men should voluntarily cease watching pornography and force themselves to do what is uncomfortable and start taking time several times a week to go sarge on women. I have spoken to a great deal of young men during the time I spent at the red pill and in the manosphere, may they RIP, and I do believe that the easy alternative is very alluring to the difficult and uncomfortable process of sarging. Also a great many boys are becoming addicted to pornography at very young ages. Being an older man I was blessed with not having the Internet during my formative years otherwise it’s likely I would have been one of the pornography addicted young men.

I’m sure the Romans urged their young men similarly, to the same failed results.

For successful mating, you need an environment were most men, not just Mr. 1 in 32 or men who are well trained at game can own a woman. Only fathers working together can create that environment. The problem isn’t young men and their vices like porn, the problem is their fathers failing to secure brides for them.

I’m reminded of the story of a religious young man who discovered he could get laid at Asian Message Parlors. His parents demanded he stop his “evil” behavior and he being caught between getting his God given desires met, even if poorly with hookers and his parents condemning him as evil unless he stopped, went on a shooting rampage at such a parlor. Clearly a sub-optimal outcome.

Now lets roll the clock back 150 years to a more red pilled age. What would a father do if he found that his son was fucking hookers? He’d go look for a young girl for him to marry and then work to setup them up together socially by working with the girl’s father. Fathers have to lead the way by working with other fathers to secure wives for their boys.

Dharmicreality says:

I have great respect for both commenters here, but I tend to agree with Red. We cannot blame young men today for being demoralized and blue pilled about sex because that is the environment they have grown up in.

In a sane patriarchy boys and girls would be married off at a young age and there would arise no necessity for meeting their sexual desires unnaturally. All dysgenic sex including porn and hookers would be relegated as low status and to the lowest realms of society.

The entire problem is our insane State religion that promotes blue pilled ideas (with the predictable lack of pussy) and wrong expectations which results in men not getting pussy, frustration and dysgenic sexual activities.

Restoration of early arranged marriage between families led by their respective patriarchs is the answer. Ideally hitting puberty should be the indicator for marriage.

SJ says:

Men are responsible for everything in their own lives and must be. It isn’t blaming it is simply recognizing where the responsibility resides. Sure we can talk about how things should be or what other people, fathers in this case, should be doing to make our easy lives even easier. But they aren’t and they didn’t. So we have to accept reality as it is and work from that starting point.

Prayer is a good way to get yourself operating from the actual reality and point you are at. Take time every day to thank Heavenly Father for what you have. Here in the West we have such incredible abundance it is mind boggling. Thank God for what you have so you know where you are and now you can make decisions from where you actually are and stop thinking about how someone else should be finding you a virgin wife. You aren’t getting a virgin wife. Don’t forget the perfect is the enemy of the good.

Dharmicreality says:

Yes, but in India we had proper arranged marriages just a generation back and in my grandfather’s generation they got married at 15 or even younger. And my grandfather’s generation had minimum 4 to 5 kids. Within a generation we have seen how the blue pill does the damage.

So I have a kind of memory for that stuff. Maybe in the west you have lost it earlier.

If the social technology goes, you will have men struggle to become patriarchs. Yes, it is possible as you say, but in a hostile environment you’re always swimming against the tide and only the more alpha men will win out. Amidst teaching boys to be men, we also have to work to create the social order that allows men to be men and not make it dangerous or illegal.

Red says:

Amidst teaching boys to be men, we also have to work to create the social order that allows men to be men and not make it dangerous or illegal.

Exactly.

SJ says:

in a hostile environment you’re always swimming against the tide and only the more alpha men will win out.

Hard times create strong men.

Adam says:

>Hard times create strong men.

Jim refuted this once when I said it. It was a while ago and I can’t remember his response exactly. Something like hard times do not create virtue and wisdom, does not create an aristocracy.

I agree with the meme though, at least in part.

Red says:

Hard times allows outside conquest where the men who created the hard times for themselves are removed from the planet. Their women will survive, but they less so.

In very rare cases do hard men from the existing civilization take over and revitalize it.

Kunning Drueger says:

Pardon the Hegelian verbage, but from where I stand it seems a synthesis of the Red & SJ positions is probably the most correct. Men are responsible for 100% of their lives. this isn’t fair, but life isn’t fair. The cathedral has a raid society such that it is illegal, and almost impossible, for men to live healthy, effective, virile, and productive lives. so even if a man takes 100% responsibility, that is no guarantee of a good outcome. we want men to have higher sex drives, we want them to have more sex, and we want more incidences of intercourse to result in offspring. Pornography is a dirty and disgusting thing, but it is also unavoidably alluring due to the way we have evolved. I don’t think banning it from the top down is going to really work, but I also have no problem with pornographers, kikes or otherwise, having a harder time shilling their poison. Com and others have made salient points about how bans Will only force an expansion of black markets, And it is trivial to circumvent any kind of digital ban due to the nature of ad revenue being the primary motivation for keeping websites online. It is a sticky wicket (lol, gross) however you look at it. this situation further reifies Jim’s position that most of the proposed solutions and measures are merely window dressing because they are downstream from the WQ.

to my way of thinking, there really is only one strategic goal we should work towards, And that is the reinstatement of coverture. How we go about that, how we get from Sodom and Gomorrah to a city on a hill is going to require a lot of different efforts, A lot of A/B testing, and a lot of trial and error. another aspect of this situation is that, like anything having to do with demography, quick fixes are in most cases impossible. Of course, it would be very helpful to have a strategic and purposeful bloodletting, a clearing of the decks if you will, but even that would only set the stage for an operation that would take, at the bare minimum 20 years, one generation, but most likely 40 or 60. If we use that template as the strategy (population growth of Friends, population reduction of Enemies) within the frame of working towards Coverture, we can then look at pornography bans and ask ourselves ” does this move us closer to the goal, further from the goal, or no effect either way?”

we have set it here 100 times, but it remains the case that whoever figures out how to provide virgin wives for worthy men will literally own the future.

Carte Blanche says:

young men should voluntarily cease watching pornography and force themselves to do what is uncomfortable and start taking time several times a week to go sarge on women.

Rather than fisk all the points I’m inclined to dispute, allow me to highlight this common ground.

Porn is at best a vice, certainly not any healthier than boozing it up or binging on junk food. If you can persuade, cajole, shame, or use whatever else is in your social tool kit to motivate friends and family to ditch the porn and keep working on their game, then that it as good (or better) than motivating them to lift weight, eat properly, and so on.

The central issue is that they must want to improve. It is their own genuine desire that will create the discipline necessary for that. You cannot create virtue by banning vice; they will simply route around the ban or find another vice, which has been proven by countless attempts to ban various vices. But if you’re willing to take the harder path, personal path, and actually work toward changing their outlook, investing some of your own personal time in their success, then you may change their lives for the better. Social connections and personal experiences can change people’s minds, albeit not too often; ham-handed laws can only change their public behavior and testimony.

If I were a tyrannical king and simply wanted to eliminate the vice without any care as to whether it would create virtue, I wouldn’t try to ban it, I would simply tax and regulate the hell out of it and create fear and shaming campaigns like they did with tobacco. Making goods and services hard to obtain is the only thing our sprawling bureaucracy is really good at. Of course, if I were a tyrannical king, I’d consider such an initiative enormously wasteful in terms of opportunity cost; even if it “worked”, the same economic and social capital would be much better directed toward reviving broken social technologies like marriage/coverture, apprenticeships and fraternities; or removing far more harmful vices like romance novels, temple prostitution and online simp-squeezing.

Red says:

That’s a great point. In all the talk about normal porn, we neglected the Black hole that is Only Fans. That’s corrupted and entire generation of men and woman.

Kunning Drueger says:

at first this seemed tangential, but the more that I think about it, I think it actually has ramifications for this discussion:

does anyone remember the creepypasta Normal Porn For Normal People? any zoomers or Johnny come latelys to the internet will look this up and be completely nonplussed. given the heinous levels of debauchery and filth that we just take for granted, as a creepypasta, it is nothing very special. but you have to understand that when it came out, when it first started circulating the boards, It was quite possibly one of the most unnerving because it just felt so real, like it felt like something that was actually going on. I distinctly remember hearing quite often in that time that things were bad, badder, getting worse, that everybody was numb and nobody was going to lift a finger to fix all the problems, and the youth were lost, etc etc etc. now, I can’t really calculate what I would be willing to throw on the fire just to get society to mentally reconfigure back to the 2010 through 2012 era. It is not that it would make anything better, It would just mean there was a higher subsection of the populace who would be willing to throw off the facade of normalcy and stand up and say “holy shit, whatever this is I’m not going along with it.”

I fully expect us to look back in a few years (some of us. lol) and wish for the halcyon days of 2022, when things were calm and people were reasonable and it still seemed like there was a chance things could get better lol.

Adam says:

>Parents should be spending a great deal of time effort providing a situation where their children can marry well by finding them mates.

Yes but try and tell them that, they have been doing the opposite at least since the boomers.

I had a girlfriend once, she was 14 I was 17. Our families were longtime church and family friends. Pretty girl, great body and a virgin. I would drive an hour to see her once a week. At some point her father asked me not to put my arm around her anymore, and all that. He was very serious about his (gay liberal) Christianity. We sort of drifted apart after that, but she was already sold on marrying me. I regret it now but at the time I was impatient and already had a lot of girlfriends so I just moved on to the next one.

Both our parents should have got us hitched right then. I was already working full time as a carpenter. That’s a decision that practically makes itself. That would have required minimal guidance from the parents. But later on I married a whore, and the virgin became one herself. What a shame.

The Cominator says:

America hasn’t had good times in decades except for briefly during Trump’s 1st three years… hard times have failed to create strong men.

SJ says:

Times are still incredibly good and incredibly easy it’s just that the easy times make lots of men think that everything should be as easy as it is to get a cabinet full of spices or a stove/oven that you can just turn on and off.

jim says:

If you are unable to reproduce, times are not good, not easy.

alf says:

That’s the kicker is it. It’s weird times like that. Compared to many or even all historical times, material wise, we have it good — plenty of food, tools and household appliances to go around.

But then you try to start a family, and the amount of hurdles to overcome is ridiculous. Finding and snatching up a suitable wife is essentially illegal, and when you have kids, the authorities are breathing in your neck to snatch them away first chance they get (and they usually do — is it fair to say kids spend more time in schools than with their family?).

Western Taliban says:

First, the government and its associate class bombards you from different sources with the notion that you should not have children until you are old and ready to die, because young age is to be spent loitering and drugging yourself. In fact it’s preferable to be a faggot and live a life of drug fueled orgies to sanity and family.

If you try to have a relationship with the opposite sex you’ll be forced to obfuscate the whole matter as if they are not the opposite sex, that the opposite sex is in truth the same as you, but you are also a man so you’re obviously bad and your natural instincts and inclinations are bad, you’re below the angelic women and you need to be put through a wringer.

Then, when you have misspent your youth with fruitless and degrading activities you should definitely not have children, least you change the weather and kill everyone. If you were quite the bad unperson to have children, remember that at the very least of course you must follow every single government guideline on how to raise them and educate them, you obviously don’t want unvaxxed, unscienced, CIS children.

The government is quite literally obsessed with preventing people from starting families and supplementing the demographic need with infinity niggers. And when the infinity niggers try to murder you when you try to get to your car to go work they’ll blame you and “society”, which is you, because they are never “society”, it’s just you. And if you happened to have children you really must send them to school to be abused by the progeny of the infinity niggers, but that’s also ok because they are your children so they are also evil, you must accept it.

You also have to be a slave corporate drone that takes all and any amount of inhuman psychological torture and abuse. If you try to start a business everything is a problem, everything is a hurdle, you must do this and you must do that and every single thing is there just to prevent you.

I really don’t understand how most men go through their lives pretending their government doesn’t hate them and wants to kill them, I don’t know what else any of this could mean. They work very hard at making everyone else as miserable as possible.

Jehu says:

I suspect the reason they pretend that the government doesn’t hate them is that consciously recognizing this is a serious weight on the mind. It is saying ‘Nice Doggie’ while looking for a big enough rock. That’s hard on the mind over time. I can relate as I’m looking for a damned big rock.

Carlylean Restorationist says:

That’s an interesting point. Most of us assume the truth of “hard times create strong men, etc.” but it’s probably not the case at all.

If you are unable to reproduce, times are not good, not easy, but they FEEL good and FEEL easy, albeit with a vague sense of foreboding and so on.
A similar phenomenon exists in personal finances. When you can’t afford, and never will afford, to buy a house, that results in a monthly outgoing that’s slightly less than it would be if you could. For one thing you’re neither saving up for a deposit nor investing on improving/maintaining the home. As a result, the ability to consume is increased so, perversely, you may look and feel wealthier.

It’s quite possible the cycle of “good times = weak men, etc.” doesn’t apply to the 21st century in the West.

Otherwise, it’s hard to explain why such dismal times, extending out for so long, with no end in sight, are emphatically not creating strong men, regardless of how you define ‘strong’.
On the contrary, year after year the average Joe is fatter, stupider, more timid and less curious, while the excesses of the worst degenerate factions in society only ever get more and more sick and destructive.

Even a crude racialist analysis fails to explain things. Not only are good strong intelligent white people in decline, the negro too is seeing falling birth rates, greater dysfunction and a general sense of nihilistic futility.

Before you pretend to be a Chrisssteeeean, this has nothing to do with the Nietzschean Death Of God: for the ignorant masses, that’s made no difference at all. It’s not that they’re all Dawkins-esque rationalists now: no, they still believe ‘there must be something’ and they’re about as rational with respect to that individual (yet universal in its conformity) belief as they ever were with respect to the church.

jim says:

> It’s quite possible the cycle of “good times = weak men, etc.” doesn’t apply to the 21st century in the West.

Does not apply as long as our enemies are in power, control the culture, and prevent women from becoming property again. But the hard times referred to are hard because no one is power, and war prevails.

A diverse state cannot fight wars, because nothing to fight for.

A state that imposes affirmative action cannot fight wars for lack of the capability to manufacture ammunition, develop new technologies, or remember past technologies.

A state that emancipates women cannot fight wars for lack of sons and lack of manly men.

That is what “Hard times make strong men” means.

The winner who restores order will be someone willing to propertize women and throw gays off high buildings.

He will also respect and protect the property rights and personal safety of taxpayers and camp followers, especially merchants, for logistics and technology decides wars. Hitler and Napoleon lost in Russia through logistic failure. Price control is what defeated them.

Carlylean Restorationist says:

I’m not being deliberately oppositional simply because I don’t like you personally: your ideas are often interesting and this is one of them.

OK, you say a diverse state cannot fight wars. That’s just not true. A mentally ill transvestite in a dog mask with grafted on ovaries on the outside and a penchant for sniffing creosote is perfectly capable of [*priestly contempt for warriors deleted*]

jim says:

Read some stories from the front line, or watch the Wagner movie. By denigrating warriors you implicitly admit what you explicitly deny. The Globohomo state cannot do it. That is why they have to rely on pagan Nazis in the Ukraine.

Yul Bornhold says:

Jim:

The Globohomo state cannot do it. That is why they have to rely on pagan Nazis in the Ukraine.

There are a number of GAE mercenaries/volunteers in the Ukraine. Often, these are men who worked in NATO militaries. I imagine they’re cuckservative in disposition; not exactly warrior mindset.

Here’s one: https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1679294070995271687

Ron says:

The most effective warrior is the one who is fighting to protect his property rights to his own land (house) and his own wife and his own tree

This is why Almighty God did not want warriors who had spent less than a year with the above.

Those warriors who never had a wife, land or tree were also inspired because they understood that Almighty God wanted them to spend at least year enjoying that when they got it. This was incentive for them to survive the coming conflict and know what they were fighting for.

Warriors who are denied land, wife and tree are demented and will either run from battle or kill indiscriminately, that is they are slaves and since they effectively have nothing, and will be easily controlled by the State, meaning the Priesthood, leading to an inevitable holiness spiral.

Warriors that have land wife and tree will be loathe to go to was bc they have too much to lose, as such the State and thus Priest power is limited. But when they go to war they will be terrifying to opponents since they have much to lose.

Kunning Drueger says:

this is a pile of lies studded with desiccated truths like dried cranberries in a moldy and rotten scone. It is no different than when somebody on a heavy dose of psychogenics that are in the moment acting as a stimulant babbling about all the things they think they see. It is composed of words, and there are even coherent thoughts, but each point is unrelated to the previous, and the overarching message is just black pill bullshit.

I am no genius, and in the time that I’ve been here, my opinion of my intellect has dropped significantly. but I do think I’ve gotten better at making coherent arguments and being entertaining with the word. If this account is actually just one person, then I am almost moved to pity at how awful it must feel to have spent so much time and so many words, yet show no progress whatsoever.

Carlylean Restorationist says:

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jim says:

You ‘agree’ with me while changing my meaning.

Mayflower Sperg says:

When poor people’s biggest health problem is obesity, life is still set to easy mode. In really hard times, you can buy a nine-year-old virgin bride from a starving single mother for a bag of potatoes.

Red says:

That obesity is mostly from eating low quality food because the good stuff is way too expensive to afford and men don’t have wives to cook the good stuff for them. Look at what Japan pays for food and look at how skinny they are.

Vendat Tunicam says:

That’s a huge lie progressives tell. People are fat because they eat convenience foods, fast foods, food that comes in a plastic bag or plastic container. In America you can buy fresh produce very cheaply, cheap cuts of beef, pork and chicken, eggs and cheese in bulk for next to nothing, if the bread and crackers are eating up your budget flour and yeast will cost you about 1/4 or less than premade bread and crackers. For dessert homemade ice cream is work to shake but simple and cheap to make.

Poor people can save themselves tons of money by making big batches of soup, chili, bacon beans and rice. Eating like thay won’t make you fat. It’s when you eat chips, twinkies and premade microwaveables that you get fat.

jim says:

If you are of significant Aryan descent, rice will make you fat. Aryans do not thrive on a diet heavy in carbs.

Our ancestors lived on milk, fermented milk, and meat. And there is something very wrong with American milk and dairy products, as one discovers when eating dairy products from most other places.

Carte Blanche says:

This is true, and also true that it is still possible to eat a healthy (Aryan-friendly) diet on less than $5 a day. Maybe $10 with recent inflation.

Breakfast cereals, rice, pasta, potatoes, refined sugars and all other manner of fast carbs make people fat because they’re non-nutritive and non-satiating, making it almost impossible to eat a satisfying meal without massively overeating. The resulting insulin spike means double trouble as you get hungrier, faster; adding in refined seed oils as per the Standard American Diet makes it a triple threat.

The average Amerifat grazes for 18 hours a day, like cattle, constantly snacking on chips, cookies, cakes, candies, and then when meal time finally comes along it’s hot dogs and hamburgers slathered in ketchup and potatoes drenched in peanut oil. No wonder they’re fat and malnourished at the same time.

But there are great “budget” choices in any of the healthy categories:
– Chicken thighs, eggs, livers and gizzards
– Beef short ribs, bottom round, 80/20 chuck, livers, kidneys and oxtail
– Bacon, pork ribs (St Louis), pork shoulder, pork belly or loin chops (the latter being very cheap, but too lean)
– Some fresh fish, like tilapia or grouper
– Most canned fish, including tuna in olive oil or herring
– Any soft cheese, just avoid the hard dry cheeses and fake processed cheese

And that’s enough variety as it is, although if eating vegetables makes one feel better about oneself then one can add in some broccoli, cabbage, cucumbers or spinach for pennies extra.

Certainly if you want to eat the very highest quality – grass-fed ribeye steaks, lamb loin chops, sugar- and preservative-free uncured bacon, king salmon fillets, pasture-raised chicken and ostrich eggs, duck quarters and so on – then it’s going to get pricey. Eating “great” is expensive, but eating “well” is very affordable even for those living below what we laughably call the poverty line.

The poor eat poorly not because they are poor, but because they are more susceptible to bad habits, deceptive marketing and evil government propaganda like the Food Pyramid. They need both the carrot and the stick to do better.

Adam says:

I agree with what you are saying and would like to add that the medical priesthood needs to hang for a lot of the obesity problems. Prescription drugs are not a solution for 99% of problems and the average American is on a truck load, even kids.

Testosterone and activity will help overcome a lot of diet related problems and fat problems. If your test levels are good you can pretty much eat anything so long as your caloric intake is reasonable.

The body is always trying to find homeostasis. Changing that set point is hard, and the thing that changes it the most is daily physical activity. You can’t lose weight sitting at a desk unless you are on drugs. Sitting at a desk or at home on the couch is not stimulating, you are always going to want to snack. Physical labor is hard but stimulating. And it will change what you want to eat, with a little help.

As with the porn/women discussion, other than a rare heroic effort by the individual it is a coup complete problem. Since forever with every update to progressivism, men have gotten nerfed, and women and minorities got buffed.

The testosterone levels gotta go up, way up. We need an even bigger alpha than Trump. We need a Trump that is read for a holy war, ready to hang a hundred thousand intellectuals.

jim says:

> They need both the carrot and the stick to do better.

In the Meiji restoration, they noticed that Japanese were alarmingly weedy compared to the British, researched the matter, and discovered that diet had a whole lot to do with it. They did not use the stick, just the carrot. They made healthy eating conspicuously high status. Worked. Those Buddhist entryists had been making meat unholy. Meiji made Buddhism low status, and meat and milk high status.

They did not promote the carnivore diet, which is inappropriate for people of the Japanese race, but a diet with adequate meat, fish, eggs, and, for children, milk.

Red says:

>But there are great “budget” choices in any of the healthy categories:

That would require them to know how to cook. Does any child from a single mother lead family learn how to cook anything but garbage?

If you want well cooked meals consistently, you need wives cooking them. Otherwise it’s garbage convince foods. And I haven’t found a woman recently that knows how to cook. Hell they take pride in not knowing.

Carte Blanche says:

If you want well cooked meals consistently, you need wives cooking them.

This is a common misconception. In fact, unmarried men tend to be better at feeding themselves than feral women. Every spinster is either fat or frail, whereas at least some (though certainly not all) single men are in good shape. Lots get into bodybuilding and start taking food very seriously as late as their 30s, 40s or even 50s.

Peasant men are the primary consumers of literal junk food, for sure. Chips and Cheetos don’t fly off the shelves because women buy them. But what women do buy is a lot of is food that is practically junk but marketed as trendy and high status: soy milk, zero-fat yogurt, virtue-signaling ice cream, expensive pastries, anything with the phrase “plant-based”, etc. Or they’ll go to a restaurant and order a “pasta bowl”, or a fancy “salad” that’s full of croutons or tortilla chips and slathered in sugary dressing.

A single woman’s kitchen, as the Rime of the Ancient Mariner would put it, is “water, water everywhere, nor any drop to drink”.

Women can learn to cook, but are not naturally or instinctively good cooks, and a wife is not a requirement for eating well. In fact, being allowed to cook for me, start to finish, everything from menu planning to pouring the dessert wine, is a privilege reserved for special occasions. Every wife should be useful in the kitchen, but that’s not exactly the same thing; the man is the Head Chef, the woman is the Commis Chef. They are also pretty good at the grocery shopping, which is fundamentally gathering, as long as they’re given clear directions and discipline regarding what to gather, but I would never send one off without instructions.

Some time ago, Jim posted about a woman’s contribution to the home and garden. To recap, they can’t really “direct” either. In the home, they’re drawn to potted plants, various tchotchkes, endless furniture rearrangement; if you are trying to renovate your living room then you need to keep them focused on the things that matter like floors and walls and mobility. And given command of a garden they will plant a dozen inedible flower species and usually fail to control pests and weeds because they are afraid of the heavy equipment needed to “beat back the jungle”, even if it doesn’t require any physical strength (like driving a tractor) but especially if it does (tree trimming, edge and brush work, backpack sprayers, etc.). Maintaining a garden without a wife feels pointless, maybe is pointless, but even with a wife, it is still your garden, not your wife’s. She does not run it, she performs tasks that you delegate, tasks of varying complexity according to her ability.

It’s largely the same in the kitchen. Women lack the physical strength and dexterity to properly handle cast-iron cookware, butcher knives, heavy-duty shears, and so on. In recipes that require precision measurements, need to be supervised so that they actually use correct quantities and timings, otherwise they will want to go by intuition. At least in my own experience, women have some difficulty with “doneness”, they tend toward overcooking, perhaps out of paranoia over safety or squeamishness about “blood” (actually myoglobin). They can get over many of these handicaps, and eventually become great helpers in the kitchen and decent cooks in their own right, but it takes years of coaching. Men do not physically need women to eat properly; it is the other way around.

As a spiritual issue, I’ll be the first to say that it is the same as gardening: healthy eating may feel pointless without a wife, and from a rational perspective may even be pointless. But if you start to feel despair then remember your Heartiste and BAP: you need to have your own mission, your own ambitions, independent of women, or else you’re no man at all. Those ambitions may be religious, martial, mercantile, or even pure vanity; as long as something occupies the center, you’ll be fine. Depend too much on women’s judgment in any area at all and you’ll find yourself kicked out of Eden post-haste.

Red says:

Poor people’s biggest problem is unhappy families. With divorces, baby daddies, drug use, etc. Obesity will kill you, but living unhappy lives filled with misery while being unable to achieve your telos is almost as destructive. Right now Fentanyl is the US #1 killer of young people and people are not taking that stuff because they live in good times.

Kunning Drueger says:

Excellent analysis here. Our worst ailments are spiritual and, as is *always* the case, it is fundamentally the WQ.

Mayflower Sperg says:

All good points, but we won’t reach the “hard times make strong men” stage until people are literally starving and being murdered for the meat on their bones. When you can provide regular meals and the government can’t, you’ll have no trouble finding a wife.

Rome didn’t fall in a day and neither will the West, so we’ll probably all be dead before the cannibal holocaust a.k.a. full socialism arrives.

Carlylean Restorationist says:

Why would you want to? Why does that particular ‘advantage’ spring to mind?
Is this just a pedo club or what?

There is no universe in which a nine-year-old is bride material, [*usual grotesque enemy misrepresentations of the red pill deleted. Not what we think, not what we say, not what anyone says*]

jim says:

The problem is that we want all women to marry as virgins. If a woman is under proper male authority, should be married at the age at which which it becomes healthy for her to give birth. But if she is not under proper male authority, not going to make it to that age still virgin. And some girls, quite a lot of girls, start getting frisky very early.

The reason that some nine year olds should be married off is to ensure virgin marriage. All women should under proper male authority to preserve their chastity. If they are not under proper male authority, need to be promptly put under proper male authority as soon as they start getting frisky.

Carte Blanche says:

There is no universe in which a nine-year-old is bride material

Written as if it has not been the norm throughout the world until the 19th century or so. Even La Wik admits it, albeit with the typical SJW spin:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arranged_marriage#Child_marriage

Here’s one with slightly less whitewash:
https://owlcation.com/social-sciences/Arranged-Marriages-Past-and-Present

In many cases, the marriages were arranged when the girls were babies, and in some instances, the marriage actually took place when the princesses were very young girls. They remained home with their families until they reached a suitable age and were then shipped off to their husbands.

It is completely normal for a nine-year-old girl to be either married or betrothed, especially among the aristocracy. That marriage may not be consummated until many years later, but it is legal and binding all the same.

But that’s not the question you asked, is it? Because in your mind, “marriage”, “sex” and “love” are all the same thing, because the only form of “marriage” you understand is gay marriage.

Hell, even The Simpsons understands:
https://www.wco.tv/the-simpsons-season-9-episode-7-the-two-mrs-nahasapeemapetilons-2
(skip to the 05:00 mark; sorry, not available on youtube.)

APU: It all happened shortly after my eighth birthday.

[FLASHBACK]

APU’S MOTHER: Ten goats and an electric fan? You call that a dowry?

MANJULA’S MOTHER: Okay. We will throw in a textile factory, but only because Manjula is getting on in years.

APU’S MOTHER: Then it is agreed. Your third daughter will marry our first son.

You have to be thoroughly pozzed to think that “child marriage” means the same thing as “fictional heterosexual men being sexually attracted to prepubescent girls”.

Carlylean Restorationist says:

[*deleted*]

jim says:

You are attempting the repurpose our memes against us, and against men and manliness, by changing the meaning, so that our enemies running our schools can desex nine year olds.

Kunning Drueger says:

this falls into the territory of ” 9-year-olds are mature enough to geld themselves, but 22-year-olds cannot handle a bank loan.” They are totally fine with some terrible mother dressing up prepubescent daughters like sluts, but the thought of a 14-year-old being betrothed to secure property, bloodlines, and confirm that she is untainted on the wedding night is just beyond them. They really do hate beauty and order.

Adam says:

Porn is bread and circus.

I remember reading years ago a study on the fertility problem, and the results showed fertility dropped in proportion to the introduction and availability of the television.

The TV is gay liberal propaganda, and so is porn. The easiest way to become more social, and make something of yourself is to get rid of your TV. You’ll son find all sorts of things to do with your time. The hard part is finding other people who are willing to do the same.

Cloudswrest says:

I stopped watching broadcast TV decades ago. Not so my wife, who mainly watches PBS stuff. On the rare occasions that some regular broadcast TV show catches my attention I usually find the plot so inane that I find it literally equivalent to “Ow, My Balls”, and the hidden social assumptions/propaganda so think that it is unwatchable! I’ve read many similar accounts from other people who, having stopped watching television for awhile, have the exact same experience.

When my in-laws were still alive and would come over they would sit together and watch 60-Minutes and would think it was God’s truth! I would suffer from Fremdschämen.

zero says:

Best technology in the world and all that comes out of it is quisling plots with fag good guys and magic nigger comercials, I dont know how any man can tolerate being in the room with the garbage most women watch.

Mayflower Sperg says:

“All the shows my wife watches on Netflix seem to end with two guys kissing.”

zero says:

Don’t have a wife and the problem is the repetitive dialogue written for four years olds but why did you have to go and make a prediction about the future man, ruined my evening. I dislike show writers enough without that thought lol. thinking about it, it is weird I never get junk mail with race mixing shit, at least the tv can still be turned off, probably won’t be long till some nigger coalburner in a fake mcmansion is selling me Boomer drugs in the mailbox.

Pax Imperialis says:

The TV is gay liberal propaganda

After feminism got rolled backed for WW2, and before it got reintroduced in full by the 1990s, most of what we have on TV today would have been considered porn.

Carlylean Restorationist says:

Feminism’s dead. If a white woman complains about anything she’s a Karen, and if a black man harasses a white woman and she stops him, she loses her job.
Example: the recent case of Sarah Comrie:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nyc-hospital-employee-seen-viral-video-appearing-take-bike-young-black-rcna85352

Feminism is dead. None of the people who should be on her side, are on her side.

When ‘Jim’ talks about feminism he means there’s too much pushback on jews raping children, and that such pushback is left-progressive holiness.
Half the commenters here go along with is uncomfortably and the other 49% enthusiastically agree that it would be a grand fine thing to marry a NINE-YEAR-OLD.

That just leaves the tiny minority of normal, non-perverted people to ram home the point: no matter your clever philosophies and ‘based’ ideologies, touching kids is THE NUMBER ONE THING TO BE STAMPED OUT IN SOCIETY.

jim says:

And now, back to the regular silencing of CR.

Feminism is alive and well in that marriage remains criminalised, and in that women outrank white males, and have comparably rank to gays. They just rank lower than blacks and trannies. The alt right has been joking and memeing for years about women dropping down in the victim hierarchy. For example that land whales rank lower than real whales.

Carte Blanche says:

And now, back to the regular silencing of CR.

Maybe he’ll take the hint and go away this time. Ha ha, just kidding, he’ll never go away until they stop paying him by the word.

You might be a fed-neck if you think that quoting Mein Kampf is clever, edgy, stunning and brave, but advocating a 2000-year-old marital tradition is beyond the pale.

Carlylean Restorationist says:

[*low effort shilling deleted*]

Oog en Hand says:

On the two central points of this blog, I agree with jim

Yes, ten year old girls act lewd when in the presence of older, often way older men WHO ARE SUFFICIENTLY ATTRACTIVE. That is, Akon, R Kelly, Charlie Chaplin, Herman van Veen, not Joshua Nerdberger. Joshua Nerdberger thinks they are little angels.

Yes, for optimal demography we must take the maxim old enough to menstruate, old enough to impregnate. One episode of Vikings was about a teenager marrying a sexagenarian.

That is why I can attack Jimian Christianity from the right. Polygamy instead of monogamy, theocracy instead of monarchy.

Also, social technology is technology. It shouldn’t be shared with anyone. Therefore, use languages.

Western Taliban says:

enthusiastically agree that it would be a grand fine thing to marry a NINE-YEAR-OLD.

My buddies in Afghanistan and I would enthusiastically agree that it would be a grand fine thing to marry a six year old and fuck her when she is nine.

As a matter of fact, a couple billion people in the world look up to a man who was a Giga Chad that went around conquering shit and did exactly what I just described.

And people of such faith are replacing the French in France (I can’t decide if this is a good thing or not). It looks to me like the cradle robbers just win, while the people who marry 30 year old women all die.

Perhaps what you meant to say is that Muslims don’t go far enough and you have to be an even greater Giga Chad, grooming your future wife and marrying her at 49 when she is 21, just like this American president did: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Cleveland and no one thought strange.

jews raping children

Weinstein had sex with willing adult women, while the government and leftist institutions call parents who don’t want their children groomed by faggots and trannies terrorists.

A2 says:

Banish porn and pornographers. Don’t be a wanker.

This link had a good discussion on the drawbacks of wankerdom to personal and societal accomplishment; do read the comments.

https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2023/06/19/human-accomplishment-by-charles-murray/

Red says:

It’s weird watching commenters here and else ware repeat McChristain misdirection that first started popping up in the 80s. Even back then it was clear the men and boys using porn was the result of men being unable to get their dick wet. It’s an effect and not the cause of the problem.

Next they’ll be quoting James “women are never at fault” Dobson Focus on the Family’s tracks on the matter. The reason young Jimmy can’t get laid isn’t because he wasn’t taught the mating dance by his father and and women have higher status than men, it’s because he masturbates to dirty pictures.

Sure porn is bad, but not nearly as bad as romance novels and inflated female status that results in massive problems from female misbehavior. Fix the later, and the market for porn goes away as men with empty balls have no need for porn. Attack the matador, not the cape.

Pax Imperialis says:

Most of the romance novels are porn, and while some are not obviously lewd to us men, though many are indeed very obscene, the girls are still very much masturbating to the mental images conjured between the lines.

We have such a warped sense of what is or is not porn that we’ve forgotten the definition of porn, that writings, or the like, produced to elicit sexual arousal is indeed porn. We don’t think of it as porn because of how hardcore and widespread visuals have become, but 200 years ago your great great grandfather would have considered all those romance novels as porn. Not only porn, but subversive porn.

I wasn’t ranting against porn because it’s being used by men who can’t get their dicks wet. Something you’ve continued to pigeonhole my position as. I was ranting against its extreme use as a tool by groomers and other subversive elements including the current government.

I suspect most of the commenters here have the gut feeling that porn has been weaponized against them and has been pushed on their children in order to groom them. That they don’t like porn isn’t to do with McChristian misdirection and everything to do with sensing hostile intent behind the porn.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Worse even than romance novels are Disney movies telling girls they know better than their fathers about love and marriage. If you want grandchildren, don’t let your kids watch any Disney movies made after Walt died.

Red says:

Most of the romance novels are porn, and while some are not obviously lewd to us men, though many are indeed very obscene, the girls are still very much masturbating to the mental images conjured between the lines.

No Shit Sherlock, tell us something we didn’t know. Girls masturbate to fucking everything. They masturbate riding horses, the masturbate to Disney films, they masturbate to Monkey’s fucking each other. You need harsh controls of girls, but the best control of all is get them married ASAP so they get off while making babies. It’s a great idea to make female porn illegal but even better is Coverture so that they can’t get access to it in the first place.

I suspect most of the commenters here have the gut feeling that porn has been weaponized against them and has been pushed on their children in order to groom them. That they don’t like porn isn’t to do with McChristian misdirection and everything to do with sensing hostile intent behind the porn.

The very fact that porn that correctly displays the mating dance disappears from porn sites indicates they sights are controlled by bad people. The idea that you can stop that without getting rid of the bad people first is ridiculous. Maybe you think this a coup complete issue, but you haven’t been very explicit about it.

Again there isn’t a lot of male non faggot demand for porn that lies about the mating dance and most other forms of degeneracy. It has to be pushed for free.

I was ranting against its extreme use as a tool by groomers and other subversive elements including the current government.

Being forced to watch porn is pretty different from someone searching it out. Again the solution isn’t to worry about the porn, rather it’s to give groomer swimming lessons in the Pacific. Ranting about the porn they use rather than the groomers is pure McChristainism. Attacking the cape rather than the Matador.

Chad Boomer says:

Clearly Jim is some type of homosexual serial killer that has murdered at least three wives and encourages others to do the same. He poses as a helper of young men. A father figure, if you will. But, his pathology is much more sinister and is more like a John Gacey persona. Who knows how many graves are under his crawl space.

jim says:

☺

Allowing this through. Because good advertising.

Hesiod says:

I don’t know about all this, but Jim once did shoot a man just for snoring too loud. I’ve still got the scar to prove it. Can’t really hold it against him because chicks dig scars.

Western Taliban says:

Here’s unreleased footage of Jim with well known mass murderer Sam Hyde attempting to kill his wife:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDq_8y_drE8

Absolute menace.

Kunning Drueger says:

I don’t want to sell you this lovely thread of jokes and banter, but that comment section reminded me that I have noticed an uptick in the use of the term “gay” as a minor pejorative, specifically on gun tube. The presenter will call some accessory or attachment gay, or some rule or ATF regulation gay. this is a very minor thing, but it is an important thing, because it denotes a shift back in the proper direction of using anything related to sodomy as being at best silly, in many cases pointless, and most likely destructive or dumb. this ties into where the boomer faggot wanted to insult Jim, knows that we do not take kindly to sodomites, and hoped that the allusion would cause him trouble, but he just had to throw in the gay worship at the end with the stacks of bodies (because obviously anyone who’s got a graveyard under their house is a badass, there’s really no way to parse it otherwise). My point being is that they don’t have a sense of humor, they cannot laugh at themselves, and they can never figure out why anyone would laugh at them because to do so would be to acknowledge all the clown makeup they wear in every situation.

also, I will always see Nick as Jim now, so thanks for that.

Redbible says:

You don’t know the half of it.
Jim is the kind of man that makes fictional characters like Gaston and Mr. Grey seem like limp wristed faggots.
Mr. Grey believes in Safe words. (Even if he does violate said safe word.) Jim thinks that even having a Safe word is cucked and gay.
Gaston has oneitis. Jim doesn’t even have oneitis for his wife, and sleeps with other women while still staying happily married.

To the Ladies:
“Look at your demon lover, now back to Jim. Now back to your demon lover, now back to Jim. Sadly you Demon lover isn’t even half the man Jim is, but with Jimian Christianity, your man (Not demon lover) could be at least half the man Jim is. get Jimian Christianity today.”

Carte Blanche says:

[*deleted for claims not in evidence*]

jim says:

I don’t think Epstein’s whores were victims. I think their johns were victims.

Take the woman question shill test.

Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

The women were victims after they hit the wall and no more powerful men were interested in fucking them. They were victims like Harvey Weinstein’s victims, in that they suddenly discovered that they had been raped right around the time that no one called them up for a casting call anymore. They don’t seem to have made much of an attempt to escape from Epstein’s island, or from his guests. 15 year old virgin gets fucked by powerful, dangerous man is the basis of every Disney princess story out there. I am sure that they were all horrified to learn that Bill Clinton or Prince Andrew wanted to fuck them.

Carte Blanche says:

Well, that was unexpected. Of course the claims were not in evidence, the thread was just jokes and banter.

But fine, if humor is not on the menu tonight, here’s your shill test: female mate choice has not evolved much beyond the chimp stage, where the alpha male is the most aggressive and violent in the group, and since women are hypergamous, they will keep shit-testing men in order to draw out the most aggressive and violent, and compete amongst each other for the top spot in the harem of General Butt Naked / Jeremy Meeks / Mr. One In Thirty. Monogamy is an absolutely necessary conspiracy imposed by men on women in order to achieve cooperate-cooperate equilibrium, whereas any system that leaves women in charge or even gives them free choice will immediately backslide into defect-defect. Many girls hit puberty as early as age nine or ten, and begin flirtatious or even overtly sexual behaviors earlier than that, and once they reach that stage, will crawl over a thousand miles of broken glass to be with their demon lovers, thus the only way to actually achieve something resembling monogamy and eugenic fertility is for women to be property, owned by their fathers until given to their husbands, preferably as soon as they show the first sign of any interest in boys. Marriage requires a woman to honor and obey her husband, reciprocal vows are gay marriage.

Epstein’s girls were self-selected sexually mature but legally underage prostitutes and the entire operation was a honeypot. And the joke I made, or thought I made, was that the girls who washed out of the Epstein Academy of Entrapment because they lacked even the self-control to be decent prostitutes would be sent over to you for proper discipline, which for women already accustomed to nuclear-level shit-testing generally requires frequent and extreme violence, not because they are victims but because they are literally asking for it and will not relent until they get it good and hard.

Satisfied?

jim says:

> Of course the claims were not in evidence, the thread was just jokes and banter.

Trouble is that there is so much genuine insanity on the internet, that it is hard to tell jokes from genuine lunacy.

Which is why I always use emojis when saying something untrue.

Carte Blanche says:

I guess no harm done except the loss of a few lulz. If the occasional hair-trigger response is the price we pay to avoid being overrun with shills then I’m happy to pay it. At least the appeals process is quick and direct.

I thought the meaning would be apparent from context, but almost as if on cue, CarJooJooean Restorationist has popped up to remind us why context is no longer a reliable signal. It’s funny how totalizing progressive ideologies end up lumping everything into cartoon heroes and villains; there’s no such thing as a simple rational accounting of what Epstein’s operation was, you have to be either “pro-Epstein” or “anti-Epstein”. Always pro-X or anti-X, never casual indifference toward X or blissful ignorance regarding X.

I’m firmly in the “don’t care” camp. He was a front-man for a state-backed op; big deal. His name is just a metaphor for weaponized prostitution. Looking at it that way, I suppose the joke was a bit off-color, even for Jimblog.

Mea culpa, I hadn’t given much thought to the fed/spook connection. Just amused by the idea of girls being turned away from a well-known brothel for being too slutty and imagining what sort of Taming of the Shrew scenario could result.

Kunning Drueger says:

one of the many annoying little ironies of our time is how rigidly puritanical and endlessly moralizing the crowd of fools who incessantly crow about their opposition to morals actually are.

Carlylean Restorationist says:

[*matador’s cape*]

jim says:

Love is war. Love is a battlefield. All is fair in love and war.

For men and women to successfully reproduce, men have to conquer women and women have to be conquered. They are looking for a man who can conquer them, and not finding him. Gassing the Jews is not going to help

Carlylean Restorationist says:

Wait, so this community is unironically pro-Epstein? [*deleted*]

jim says:

We are not pro Epstein. We are anti whore.

Carlylean Restorationist says:

Well, I think it’s sensible to be on record saying [*all Epstein’s whores, in fact all women everywhere, are innocent angels and the victims of evil men*]

jim says:

You would lose your job if your supervisor suspected you of going along with my reply.

With most shills, it is clear that the supervisor does not read, and indeed is not allowed to read, the material that the shill is required to read. Your comment suggests a change in policy, or a supervisor that is operating under different rules.

Carlylean Restorationist says:

[*unresponsive*]

jim says:

Oh those poor girls being fooled and manipulated by Epstein and other Jews into being forced to sleep with rich and powerful men. It must have been terrible for them🙃

Women tend to seek out “highly abusive situations”. We need to provide what they need by plonking them into marriage and restraining them from forever looking for an upgrade till their eggs dry up and their looks fade. The problem was not Epstein providing women with opportunities to misbehave, but women misbehaving.

In 1790s Australia, would have been line up on the dock when they got of the boat and married off.

alf says:

Well, that was unexpected. Of course the claims were not in evidence, the thread was just jokes and banter.

Sometimes it happens. One time I thought it’d be funny to troll-post under another name, but for whatever reason decided to use my alf-mail. Result: Jim freaking out thinking someone hacked not only my mail, but was also posting from my ip address.

Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

I only hope that one day someone will say something half as flattering about me as this comment is to Jim.

alf says:

He can’t keep getting away with it

Calvin says:

I hope one day to earn the privilege of an invitation to his blood drinking ceremonies.

Pax Imperialis says:

John Gacey is likely a good example of neuroplasticity.

Gacy’s father was informed that his son and another boy had been caught sexually fondling a young girl. His father whipped him with a razor strop as punishment.

Heterosexuality got beaten, but

The same year, a family friend would occasionally molest Gacy in his truck. Gacy never told his father, afraid that his father would blame him.

homosex was inadvertently given a blind eye. Funny how wiki makes it very clear Gacey fondled a young girl, but is far more stealthy about him getting raped by a man.

The father beat him when doing masculine tasks rather than encouraging him, and called him a sissy when hiding behind his mother. He should have beaten him when hiding behind his mother and praised/mentored him when doing masculine tasks. The man inverted the reward/punishment system and ended up with a gay serial killer son.

Red says:

The fact that he was touching a much younger girl, who had no tits, isn’t exactly manly. It’s more likely he’d already been impregnated with the fag parasite and was starting to act on it.

I developed early and I was interested in sex by 12 but I never interested in girls who didn’t show signs of breast development.

Pax Imperialis says:

Every source I’ve found says “young girl” and not “younger girl.”

Gacy, between age 10 and 12, was accused of sexually fondling a young girl. I cannot find the exact age of the young girl, but I have little doubt that if the girl was prepubescent and much younger than him it would have been widely reported. Quite possible that the young girl was both around his age, and developing boobs.

I remember in middle school the obese female school councilor giving a very stern lecture to us boys to not pull on the bra straps of the girls because it constituted sexual harassment. Not to poke their boobs and asses. There was only one faggot in my cohort, and he committed suicide.

Kunning Drueger says:

ya gotta love a happy ending.

Aidan says:

It’s likely that his job for the Chicago democrats was disposing of the boywhores they regularly used in order to keep them from talking.

He is a classic case of buttrape turning a boy gay, though it should be noted that there is no obligate homosexuality. He, like most fags, was still attracted to women.

Aidan says:

You should really come to one of the jim meetups, he has a knack for finding the hottest hookers and has a great tract of land to hunt them on after we’re finished.

Cloudswrest says:

Anybody remember the “Hunting for Bambi” paintball hunt hoax that had the media up in arms?

Kunning Drueger says:

off topic

here is the copy /paste of a TGram post (https://t.me/grey_zone/19625) from Gray Zone (https://t.me/grey_zone) which is a pro-Wagner channel:

Поистине эпичный момент сбора многотысячного личного состава «Группы Вагнера», перед которым выступил Евгений Пригожин и Дмитрий «Вагнер» Уткин. Можно наблюдать сплочённость коллектива и взаимное уважение от бойцов к командирам и наоборот.

Евгений Пригожин:
— «Приветствую, парни. Рады вас всех приветствовать. С приездом на белорусскую землю. Мы достойно воевали. Вы сделали для России очень много. Сейчас, то, что происходит на фронте (речь идёт о командном аппарате МО РФ) – это позор в котором нам не нужно участвовать. И сейчас нужно дождаться того момента, когда мы сможем проявить себя по полной программе.

Поэтому принято решение, что мы будем находиться здесь, в Белорусии какое-то время. За это время мы из них сделаем, и я это уверен, вторую армию в мире. А если нужно, то вступился за них, если это потребуется. Я хочу всех попросить максимально обратить внимание, что белорусы встретили нас не только как Героев, но и как братьев. Говорят, местные девушки в магазинах шушукаются, что “вагнера” приехали. Поэтому отнесемся к белорусам также по-братски.

Дальше готовимся, повышаем свой уровень и в новый путь – в Африку. Но возможно и вернёмся на войну на Украине, в тот момент, когда будем уверены, что нас не заставят посрамить самих себя и наш опыт. Мы привезли с базы в Молькино флаг, который передадим старшему здесь, в Белоруссии. А также две ленты русского и белорусского флага, чтобы никто не думал, что мы воюем без Флага и без Родины, как некоторых пишут. А теперь я дам слово Командиру, кто дал нам имя “Группы Вагнера”».

Дальше речь начинает командир “Вагнера” Дмитрий Уткин:
— «Да, если кто не знает, я и есть тот самый Вагнер. Большинство из вас знает меня, большинство из вас я знаю лично. Спасибо за проделанную работу. Благодаря этой работе имя “Группы Вагнера” прогремело на весь мир. Всем спасибо! Парни большое вам спасибо! Это не конец, это только начало – самой большой работы в мире, которая будет проведена очень скоро. Ну и WELCOME TO HELL (Добро пожаловать в Ад)».

Here is the “translation” (for a number of reasons, I really don’t trust Google translate, most of it is just paranoia or gut sense, And I don’t have a command of Cyrillic nor do I speak Russian, but somehow these translations seem to be so much shorter than the actual text):

A truly epic moment of the gathering of many thousands of personnel of the Wagner Group, before which Evgeny Prigozhin and Dmitry “Wagner” Utkin spoke. You can observe the cohesion of the team and mutual respect from the fighters to the commanders and vice versa.

Evgeny Prigogine:
“Hello guys. We are glad to welcome you all. With the arrival to the Belarusian land. We fought well. You have done a lot for Russia. Now, what is happening at the front (we are talking about the command apparatus of the RF Ministry of Defense) is a shame in which we do not need to participate. And now we need to wait for the moment when we can prove ourselves in full.

Therefore, it was decided that we would be here in Belarus for some time. During this time we will make of them, and I am sure, the second army in the world. And if necessary, he stood up for them, if necessary. I want to ask everyone to pay maximum attention to the fact that the Belarusians met us not only as Heroes, but also as brothers. They say that local girls in shops whisper that the Wagners have arrived. Therefore, we will also treat the Belarusians in a brotherly way.

Then we prepare, raise our level and set off on a new path – to Africa. But perhaps we will return to the war in Ukraine, at the moment when we are sure that we will not be forced to shame ourselves and our experience. We brought a flag from the base in Molkino, which we will hand over to the senior here in Belarus. And also two ribbons of the Russian and Belarusian flags, so that no one would think that we are fighting without a Flag and without a Motherland, as some people write. And now I will give the floor to the Commander, who gave us the name “Wagner Group”.

Then the speech begins the commander of the “Wagner” Dmitry Utkin:
“Yes, if anyone does not know, I am that very Wagner. Most of you know me, most of you I know personally. Thanks for the work you’ve done. Thanks to this work, the name of the “Wagner Group” thundered throughout the world. Thanks to all! Guys thank you very much! This is not the end, this is just the beginning of the biggest work in the world that will be done very soon. Well, WELCOME TO HELL (Welcome to Hell).”

I share this massive wall of text because I think it is important to document what appears to be happening in “the New West,” specifically Russia, Belarus, and Novorossiya. To me, these seem like embers that can, and should, be kindled into the Flame of Empire. Each of these regions has a different contribution: Russia is the mass, Belarus is the mettle, and Novorossiya is the frontier, similar to England, the 13 colonies, and the Ohio River Valley.

Seeing As I don’t speak Russian, I can only make inferences based on the footage and tone and my sense of the context, so I may be reading into things too much, or just hearing what I want to see. Nonetheless, I still get the sense that we are seeing the beginning of something historical and important. I do believe Putin is a good man, and the right man to save Russia from what the West did to it in the 1990s. but he has not been up to the task of the next step. For whatever reason, he can’t seem to let go of the neoliberal dream of the post historical West. obviously, the neoliberal project is heap big medicine for anyone who went through the university system of the late 20th century. but all the information and evidence, to anyone looking at it with even a shred of objectivity, shows that it was deluded and foolish. I don’t think he is the man to usher in the next era of human civilization. He’s absolutely 10 steps ahead of any other world leader on the main stage at this time, but so is Trump, and we hear no that Trump was not up to the task. neither man is Octavian. in the absence of a perfect option, the only option is the best option for the moment. I don’t think that’s going to be an obvious or traditional leader, rather it will be someone acting in their own self-interest, looking at the short-term, unaware that they are the prime mover of something so much bigger than what they perceive. It is sometimes the case that great things happen for simple or shallow reasons, like someone choosing to stand up purely because they are uncomfortable, not because they are trying to start some great movement.

Prigozhin steals the spotlight, but I think the military commanders of Wagner are a much more interesting potential for mobile banditry in the 21st century. Here’s a video about them:

https://youtu.be/bkqNfIkfH-M

That’s just a cursory review, but I think it is a good general picture of the men and what they represent, both at a personal and societal level. being an American nationalist at heart, I want to believe there are men like this in our country, but every day that candle burns a little bit lower. I think the generational project of the KGB May go down in history as one of the most successful plots to destroy a society, because it truly feels that there are no righteous, or even potentially righteous elites, just as there are no nascent warlords, just a teeming mass of managerial midwits, two cowardly to take action, not selfish enough to be effective, not cultured enough to be leaders, only capable of following the SOP and sitting obediently in the longhouse waiting for their serving of cantankerous, ran-through, birth-control-poisoned pussy.

jim says:

> I really don’t trust Google translate,

Use Yandex translate.

(Which gives, somewhat to my surprise, essentially the same translation, but the Yandex.com translation is subtly more manly, dignified, and respectful of the past. Sounds more like a military commander, less like a faggot. Seems to have better preserved what must have been the flavor of the original.)

A truly epic moment of the gathering of thousands of personnel of the Wagner Group, which was addressed by Yevgeny Prigozhin and Dmitry “Wagner” Utkin. You can observe the cohesion of the team and mutual respect from the fighters to the commanders and vice versa.

Evgeny Prigozhin:
– “Greetings, guys. We are glad to welcome you all. Welcome to the Belarusian land. We fought with dignity. You have done a lot for Russia. Now, what is happening at the front (we are talking about the command apparatus of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation) is a disgrace in which we do not need to participate. And now we need to wait for the moment when we will be able to prove ourselves in full.

Therefore, it was decided that we will be here in Belarus for some time. During this time, we will make of them, and I am sure of it, the second army in the world. And if necessary, he stood up for them, if necessary. I want to ask everyone to pay maximum attention to the fact that Belarusians met us not only as Heroes, but also as brothers. They say the local girls in the shops are whispering that “Wagner” has arrived. Therefore, we will also treat Belarusians in a brotherly way.

Then we prepare, raise our level and embark on a new path – to Africa. But perhaps we will return to the war in Ukraine, at the moment when we are sure that we will not be forced to shame ourselves and our experience. We have brought a flag from the base in Molkino, which we will give to the senior here in Belarus. And also two ribbons of the Russian and Belarusian flag, so that no one thinks that we are fighting without a Flag and without a Homeland, as some write. And now I will give the floor to the Commander who gave us the name of the Wagner Group.”

Then the commander of the Wagner Dmitry Utkin begins the speech:
– “Yes, if anyone doesn’t know, I am the same Wagner. Most of you know me, most of you I know personally. Thank you for the work done. Thanks to this work, the name of the “Wagner Group” thundered all over the world. Thank you all! Thank you guys so much! This is not the end, this is just the beginning – the biggest work in the world, which will be carried out very soon. Well, WELCOME TO HELL (Welcome to Hell).”

No Good Men says:

[*fedpost*]

Kunning Drueger says:

What are the chances the Midwits of Foggy Bottom are cooking up a Maine + Lusitania Event for the Black Sea?

https://youtu.be/ZI3kC6fNIPA

A note on this source: this guy is representative of the Boomer/Xer “specialist class” that keeps everything working in the face of the DEI influx and devolution of Society. If you watch his videos, he’s undoubtedly knowledgeable, he has relevant experience, he has a dedicated following and broad enough reach that certain trade, technology, and specialization organizations keep an eye on him, and he’s quite capable of noticing much… but somehow he is never in danger of actually Noticing. So he says something incredibly stupid starting at 03:15, the paraphrase of which is “there’s a huge flow of weapons into Ukraine, but it’s overland and airborne, the maritime channel is negligible.”

If you took this guy and told him about some disaster somewhere that needed supplies, and that the aid was flowing via land, air, and sea from places scattered all over Europe, the Levant, and the globe, and asserted that the lift capacity of the maritime route was negligible, he’d laugh in your face. He’d tell you all about intermodal transport, lift capacity, and energy expenditure. Yet somehow, because the Voices That Speak have proclaimed the maritime component negligible, he parrots the line without a hint of irony or disquiet. It really is fascinating if unsettling to see, and you can see it in his recent catalog of failures & fuckups in American ports & shipping in the last year alone.

Just like the Sheepdog Class that keeps the Cathedral inured from popular unrest and elite dissention, these Thrall Whites the tools of empire and control working because they’d rather tinker and fix than acknowledge the salami slicer coming for them.

Red says:

Just like the Sheepdog Class that keeps the Cathedral inured from popular unrest and elite dissention, these Thrall Whites the tools of empire and control working because they’d rather tinker and fix than acknowledge the salami slicer coming for them.

It sickening, but it has a logic to it. Without elite leadership, impossible to defect without being cut down even sooner.

Red says:

Putin is very likely to back down again. All these events are designed to broaden the war and he’s very carefully trying to limit the war while still bleed NATO white. The only trump card the GAE has is air power and shutting down all trade with Russia.

In war it’s always best to play to your strengths by preventing you for from playing to theirs.

The Cominator says:

Can’t shut down all trade with Russia, they tried that…

Pax Imperialis says:

Wake me up when Putin grows a pair and turns the Black Sea into a shooting gallery. Until then, no Lusitania Event

jim says:

Well, he has said he will turn the Black Sea into a shooting gallery, and the Ukrainians have promised the same. Any ship, including those with third nation flags, is now a target.

Since Russia does a large volume of imports and exports through the Black Sea, this promises to get interesting. Albeit the Ukrainian navy seems to have largely been sunk or captured.

What they do have is anti ship surface and submarine drones, made by the British. And depending for their navigation on US flag drones watching from above. If they succeed in sinking any civilian ships, there are going to be Nato fingerprints all over it.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Putin is a standard-issue 1990s liberal. He supports the whole liberal agenda except trannies and overt homosexuality. Every time he does something illiberal, it’s because the Jews left him no other choice. Why don’t they just let Putin into their club? Probably because they need a villain with a square mustache to hold their shaky coalition together.

jim says:

The reason they do not give Putin any choice is that he is a 1990s liberal. Therefore worse than Hitler. RFK Jr is a 2006 liberal. Therefore also worse than Hitler.
Trump believes in National Capitalism, Putin believes in 1990s neoliberal globalist capitalism, but is being forced against his grain to implement national capitalism, but even before this happened there was a fair bit of outrage that he was not implementing the latest and greatest form of capitalism.

I have elsewhere argued that the corporate capitalism of restoration England, starting 1660, was the best form, and all the reforms have been for the worse.

Mayflower Sperg says:

A fascinating first-hand account of crime, poverty, and malnutrition. Read the whole thing:

https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-starving-criminal

Red says:

In fact, he told me that he had never once eaten at a table with others in the last 15 years. Eating was for him a solitary vice, something done almost furtively, with no pleasure attached to it and certainly not as a social event. The street was his principal dining room, as well as his trash can: and as far as food was concerned, he was more a hunter-gatherer than a man living in a highly evolved society.

The sad thing is hunter gathers always eat as a group. Sharing food together is a very old mammalian behavior. Pretty interesting article.

Pax Imperialis says:

A food desert is a poor area of a town or city, in which there are few shops selling food, and in which those few offer a restricted range of unhealthy and unnourishing produce at relatively high prices. The huge supermarket chains, unwilling to carry out their social duty, have retreated to prosperous areas, where they can sell profitably to people who do not have to worry about what they spend on what they eat. Particularly lacking in a food desert are fresh comestibles: all food available is processed or precooked, full of salt and the worst kind of fat, and lacking in vital ingredients. The people who live in a food desert, therefore, have no choice but to eat unhealthily. Of course, the real—that is to say, ultimate—cause of food deserts is modern capitalism, the system that created and perpetuates the food deserts. [in context, sarcasm directed at GAE, but GAE still takes said position as reality]

Published Autumn 2002… the more things change the more they stay the same.

‘It’s not the fault of niggers, but capitalism!’
Trying to Eat Healthy in a Food Desert.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDbENx9c3Fg

Aidan says:

He introduces the idea of the food desert, and then debunks it, going on to correctly observe the subcon and asian groceries in the ghetto that sell fresh food for dirt cheap. He also correctly observes that modern malnutrition is single mothers attempting to starve their bastard children to death to free up time for gangsters to bang them, but blames this on “decline of culture”

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

>The huge supermarket chains, unwilling to carry out their social duty, have retreated to prosperous areas

Their social duty to be robbed and vandalized by swarthy southrons, of course.

Basil says:

Is the transfer of Danone assets to Kadyrov’s relatives a sovereign national capitalism or not yet? [*claim not in evidence deleted. Give us a link*]

jim says:

France and Denmark shut down French and Danish owned businesses in Russia in order to harm Russia and Russians. Putin reopened them under new management. Looks like national capitalism to me. Albeit Putin is an extremely reluctant national capitalist. It is being forced on him from abroad.

Kunning Drueger says:

there is probably already a term for this, but if there isn’t, there should be one for the inverse of the No True Scotsman fallacy.

“Oh, you’re a Christian? Then why aren’t you perfect like Christ?”

“You’re a nationalist, huh? Then why aren’t you dying for your country?”

“So you’re not going to drink alcohol anymore? Then how do you explain all the times prior to now when you drank, hypocrite?”

GAE apologists like Basil the Faggot swallow gallons of DEI cum in between statements regarding the imperfect nature and track record of Putin and the Kremlin. Crab bucket mentality: they’ve resigned themselves to their fate, so they hate anyone trying to escape/survive far more than the fisherman that put them in the bucket.

Carte Blanche says:

The term you’re looking for is tu quoque, maybe with a dash of false dilemma.

Not that any kind of formal argumentation really matters in clown world; the round goes to whomever can shout the loudest, for the longest time.

Kunning Druegger says:

Additionally, whoever gets the bigger laugh can win, and the nature of internet dynamics also means an in-person loss (being shouted down/harassed by a room of adversaries) can be converted into a win (when the clip goes viral). I personally dislike these mechanics and wish formal debate and formalized discourse was the order of the day, but here we are.

Pax Imperialis says:

>Who is this relative?
>looks up name
>it’s Yakub Zakriev
>mfw (topkek.gif) Yakub was White all along

jim says:

Any time Putin does something to protect Russia and Russian interests, Basil finds a way to spin it as anti white.

Trouble is that the Nazis in the former Soviet Union wound up working for the CIA, and when the CIA turned new type communist, performed the necessary intellectual somersaults to stay on the gravy train, with results most evident in Ukraine, where they drag sixteen year old boys, old men, and cripples off the streets and send them to die for a Jewish Globalist.

Just as all CR’s arguments are supposedly right wing reasons for socialism, globohomo, and rule by Harvard, all Basil’s arguments are supposedly right wing reasons for the Global American Empire.

Basil is of course correct that Putin has always wanted a seat at Globohomo’s table, and it shows. But, they did not give it to him, so here we are.

Pax Imperialis says:

Ah… I know Basil spins things as being anti-White/anti-Russian, and I was semi commenting on that, but I was also being a bit more meta than that. Perhaps you’re not acquainted with the meme of Yakub.

Some background
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakub_(Nation_of_Islam)

Dr. Faust says:

America’s best hope to produce semiconductors gets “postponed” to 2025. The plant that’s being built in Arizona is apparently a 1:1 copy of the plant in Taiwan.

“We are encountering certain challenges, as there is an insufficient amount of skilled workers with the specialized expertise required for equipment installation in a semiconductor-grade facility,” TSMC Chairman Mark Liu said on a conference call after earnings.

Relevant as this falls in line with Jim’s assessment of tech decay.

dave says:

and have we made any new Tritium yet? We’ve had a lot of laws and policy made that we need more Tritium, but yeah.

Maybe need Musk to get on this and rebuild both Semiconductor capacity, and enriched Uranium production.

Looking more and more like 1973 was peak civilization.

jim says:

When nuclear weapons were first made, they contained a lot of special materials and special components that no one had ever made before, so no one had any idea of how they would degrade over time. And, of course, they have been degrading, and expertise to replace them, for example the foam in which the components of a thermonuclear weapon are embedded, has been lost. Reading the report, I don’t think the people commissioning the new foam knew that they were trying to replace two different kinds of foam. Britain’s nuclear weapons are old, and it is unlikely that they still work. So they have launched a new program to produce brand new, radically redesigned nuclear weapons. Which, of course, will never be tested. A brand new super duper high tech design, with no actual testing ever. Every tech scammer in Britain is flocking like flies to dogshit.

Reading between the lines, I read “We cannot do this stuff any more, so we are going to leap over it and do something way better”

Pax Imperialis says:

jim, jim, jim…. I admit to being a little buzzed, ok very buzzed as degenerates do on a Friday morning, but what else is a downtime, injured, DoD affiliated, guy to do with no work and if the only people he trusts offline are dead?

You’ve focused on inability to manage the supply chain at the level of nuclear weapons, and that’s indeed a problem, but the truth is, there’s an inability to manage even at the stage of reactors, an inability to manage even at the level of uranium mining. The stuff that makes nuclear weapons possible in the first place.

Forget special materials, they can’t even source base materials! At a certain point the core itself has to be replaced and no amount of crafty tech solutions we know of for sure, i.e. lack of testing, can solve that. On the flip side, we can reasonably pray that’s there’s a non-zero chance that Russian nukes don’t work quite as well as they’d hope… maybe instead of thermonuclear they are only Hiroshima level boom… ah well, the Russian apparently can still make exotic nuclear materials, so maybe we can’t reasonably pray. Who know?

@dave

For Musk to do what needs to be done, would need to completely overhaul the mining and nuclear industry without bureaucratic interference. While possible with space due to lack of congressional interest if only due to their immense ignorance, not so easily done with mining and power because the special interests are so much more well established.

Kunning Drueger says:

For anyone looking to get into mining, in terms of research and comprehension, here’s an excellent place to start:

https://twitter.com/Mining_Atoms

Unvarnished truth, nuance & details, sober acceptance of the dictates of reality, and just plain fascinating. This guy is an excellent resource for Thanksgiving Day gun battles with Karen and your gay cousin.

I think Pax is 100% correct.

Pax Imperialis says:

Bear with me, I’m going to quickly take this somewhere potentially more interesting than neurotic self introspection.

>I think Pax is 100% correct.

I cringe when I revisit the drunken word garbage occasionally spewed here, and Western Taliban is uncomfortably close when he says a normal response to matriarchy is:

b) end up a washout retard that does alcohol/drugs all day in a park like a nigger

The best internet forums, being in the spirit of the Roman Forum, are in fact digital parks, whereas traditional parks were inseparable from the forums, they were for all matters the same. My rants, while intelligent enough, I’d claim in pure hubris, to be similar to those of the likes of Diogenes, they’re also like Diogenes in so far the tangential behaviors associated are exhibiting nigger like characteristics. Thankfully, unlike Diogenes, I’m not so detached from standards that I’d masturbate and piss in public like a dog.

It’s informative though, that shills like Anonymous Fake/Carlylean Restorationist haven’t directly gone to personal attacks on my drinking (I might be wrong about this), even as they’re getting flustered by my tame observations on universities, SAT testing (the ‘T’ which always meant test was retconned to be meaningless), participation trophies, and increasingly stupid elites. Overindulgence/addiction is the most easy and base methods of character assassination. The media peddles all of the most vile of slanders and hearsay, yet refuses to fully utilize this is low hanging fruit when attacking public figures. Even when it does to attack those like Matt Gaetz it falls completely flat and no one cares. On it’s own this doesn’t add up.

Intoxication is one of the holy demons of GAE. Why they are perfectly fine with Cocaine in the White House and a million projected dead Americans from fentanyl OD. Why tweaking niggers who commit crimes are promoted as somehow more sympathetic than sober niggers who commit crimes, why Hollyweird drugged up whores are promoted as stunning, talented, and beautiful even as they are taking time off for rehab ‘vacations,’ and why coked up coomer Wall Street managers are portrayed as high status exercisers of absolute masculine bravado living outside the rules and king only to themselves (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM6exo00T5I).

They don’t attack intoxication because to do so would be to partly undermine the theological underpinnings of GAE. If 1930s America was Puritan Feminism, post FDR America was 1960’s Orgy Porgy Feminism! Yet Orgy Porgy Feminism has morphed into sexless Orgy Porgy for the masses of men. A strange mixture of Coomer Gaymer Drinkey Porgy disconnected from feminism in totality, and so 1960’s orthodoxy has been unraveling and they (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLiYGUqHEb8) are terrified. When even inner party MSNBC apparatchik are attempting a partial roll back, this may be a sign of further partial roll back attempts to come. Just as feminism mysteriously disappeared in the 1930s, we may find ourselves in the mists of a similar scheme; however, it’s not the 1930s and there’s significantly more chaff in the leadership class… how the dominoes will fall is currently beyond me but betting against the aging 1960s orthodox apparatchik is likely a good bet.

What I can do is observe possible, partial, and nascent roll backs corrupted with FDR like expansions of government control, well poisoning so to speak:

-Porn (attempts at creating ID requirements, this is an obviously poisoned well)
-Feminism/Masculinity (Attempts to retire ‘toxic masculinity’ and rehabilitate some form of masculinity while overall retain feminism, again a poisoned well)
-Military organization (Patriot Front though I can’t tell if simply a honey pot or national security paramilitary initiative firmly under central control, more well poisoning)
-Transgenderism (overseas Empire has been shutting this down without the usual media attention)
-Industry (Musk hasn’t been broken and humiliated indicating protection, plus Jim points out feeble attempt to restart the nuclear industry on paper by paper)

None of these attempts have so far shown any vigor, but they’re there and given enough of a system shock might find new life. Some think that aircraft carriers at the bottom of the ocean would lead to the collapse of GAE, but this is, due to a definitions shift, potentially a wrong mental model. Overseas GAE was shipped back to continental America, and Texas and California are similarly ruled from DC in the same way Hungary/Poland and France/Germany is ruled from DC. Even if all overseas GAE collapsed, continental America is still very much a GAE empire. Only now restricted to being a land power empire rather than a sea power empire. Land power empires shouldn’t be underestimated, even “progressive” ones.

jim says:

I am well aware of the deleterious effects of porn, which are made considerably worse because it is overwhelmingly created at a financial loss by our enemies to undermine our minds, but it is not an issue of interest for me, because the market for porn is largely because most men cannot get laid, and because the damaging effects of porn are insignificant compared to the damaging effects of romance literature and chick flick movies.

Mayflower Sperg says:

With no navy and no white patriarchy, the USA might continue to exist on paper, but its border with Mexico will be less important than the perpendicular boundaries between the various drug cartels.

Liberals are never wrong, so they’ll react to the loss of empire by oppressing white people even harder and giving even more free stuff to non-white people, while pretending that America’s still a world power and a beacon of justice.

Pax Imperialis says:

From Mining_Atoms:

We are buffoons,while Russia mocks us. While we wring our hands over “Nuclear Waste” and waste billions on Yucca Mountain and Interim Storage drama, Russia has spent the last 30 years developing Fast Neutron Tech. In Russia: Nuclear Waste Is Fuel.

FNR when based on a closed NFC… fuck, that’s not good. That non-zero chance we can reasonably pray about, if based on supply chain related maintenance issues, practically went to zero.

On the flip side, we can reasonably pray that’s there’s a non-zero chance that Russian nukes don’t work quite as well as they’d hope… maybe instead of thermonuclear they are only Hiroshima level boom…

Well, would you look at that. I’m already having to retract statements. I keep track of Russian nuclear industry, but their fast neutron tech was a blind spot that Mining_Atoms helped illuminate for me. Thanks KD, I now know I’ll need to relocated much further away from city and strategic centers.

Pax Imperialis says:

France’s first generation EPR reactor began construction in 2007. It still hasn’t delivered any power and is now 5 times over budget and nearly a decade behind scheduled. If France, a country with one of the largest nuclear industries in the world can’t even build new reactors, Tritium is likely off the table for quite some time.

Aidan says:

When Toyota first opened a plant in the US, the cars came out like shit, despite the US workers following exact spec. Turns out the spec was wrong, and it was human expertise in the Japanese plant that made the cars come out right. A 1:1 copy of a plant means little if the human expertise in making semiconductors isn’t transferred over, by having the key guys in Taiwan apprentice smart young men to them.

Kunning Druegger says:

Toyota was able to diagnose and treat that issue. Something tells me that TSMC won’t be able to and, instead of realizing/admitting there’s a deeper issue, it will go down the “witchcraft” route, both in terms of negress voodoo juju being deployed to correct the humors and evil secret racists/fascists/heretics hiding in the trees and using hate rays to de-calibrate the Eschaton 9000.

Red says:

They’ll have to make a massive list of exceptions for TSMC if they ever want to see a chip come out of that plant and even then it’s doubtful.

jim says:

The plant has been delayed due to “an insufficient supply of skilled workers”

Well, how do you get a skilled worker? You apprentice a smart unskilled worker to a skilled worker. But HR don’t like that. They don’t like hierarchy that elevates the status of skilled people. They don’t mind skilled people getting big money, but they don’t like them getting status, even though the only way for skilled workers to produce more skilled workers is by having status.

Pax Imperialis says:

You apprentice a smart unskilled worker to a skilled worker. But HR don’t like that.

This is true, but I don’t think you’ve accounted enough for just how fallen the American man has become. I wish I could provide more than just anecdotal evidence, but I can’t. From the people I know, both at TSMC and recent grads, people simply don’t wish to work hard enough and are apprenticeship incapable.

They can’t be mentored in the first place because they are either too damn lazy or got their heads so far up their asses that they can’t be mentored. Turns out that giving everyone a participation trophy lead to major entitlement. That and inhibiting the development of actual skill.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Why bother, when learning a trade doesn’t get you a virgin wife? At best it gets you a tired, overweight, tattooed 30ish single mother with badly behaved mystery-meat children who’s finally ready to “settle down”.

On the flip side, the Indian medical or technical student doesn’t know anything about game or dating and doesn’t care. He trusts that if he studies hard, graduates with honors, and gets a good job, his parents will find him a wife.

Pax Imperialis says:

Damn, your right. Married Appalachian guys are willing to spend 12 to 16 hours a day deep underground in coal mines so long as they got a wife to go back to at night. Cosmopolitan, university trained, engineers with no marriage prospects have no reason to commit to anything beyond 40 hours a week. Their free time being devoted to gaming or other solitary forms entertainment.

Well… in the previous post I’m still right in a sense. They are truly fallen in regards to lack of purpose.

someDude says:

“On the flip side, the Indian medical or technical student doesn’t know anything about game or dating and doesn’t care. He trusts that if he studies hard, graduates with honors, and gets a good job, his parents will find him a wife”

Not any more.

Gramma lives in a small town. I visit her now and then. Next to her apartment is a college, and some malls, and some clubs and some bars and I’ve seen some stuff. I don’t think a single girl in that college is a virgin. This is in a tier 2 town mind you.

Dharmic/Suones, Whats happening in the small towns around your area? The Metros are obviously doomed.

Dharmicreality says:

Well, there are still traditional families with girls brought up the traditional way (I.e. trained to be a good wife) but increasingly getting very hard to find.

We are behind the curve on Globohomo but not by much.

Jehu says:

I suppose it points to an opportunity for a reactionary employer to forge some alliances with some large homeschool families to provide virgin wives for smart guys of good character and appropriate religion who complete their apprenticeships. Highly illegal I imagine, but I bet you could build something 1973 wouldn’t be ashamed of.

someDude says:

@Dharmic , increasingly hard to find should be read as out of reach for a hard working, pro-social middle class guy that does not belong to the same community as the girl.

@Jehu , what you are proposing cannot be offered by any vaishya run business or any wing of the government. By employer, if you mean mafia or militia/paramilitary group operating outside of the state religion, you are right.

Anonymous Fake says:

Your participation trophy meme is stupid and wrong.[*deleted for circular argument*]

jim says:

That they removed analogies from the Sat is compelling evidence that he is right. Similarly, I checked the geometry section of the MIT entrance exam, and its ceiling was midwit, about 105, It is not capable of distinguishing between midwits and smarties.

Anonymous Fake says:

I’ll just make it even simpler [*advice unlikely to be helpful and likely to undermine red tribe cohesion even further deleted*]

Anonymous Fake says:

How would it ruin cohesion to be [*wiggers*]

jim says:

I have debated your program before. You were unresponsive then and you are unresponsive now.

Pax Imperialis says:

That they removed analogies from the Sat is compelling evidence that he is right.

And added in an essay section which amounts to a test on bullshitting ability…

Not only rewarding midwits, but deceitful lying midwits who, even more annoyingly, aren’t even self aware enough to know they are bullshitting resultingly leading to them lacking any sense of humility or remorse. SAT graders spend less than 2 minutes assessing the ~750 word mental spaghetti meaning they too understand the essay is an exercise in bullshitting.

>participation trophy meme

I quickly lost count as a child how many participation trophies, medals, and ribbons I threw away while involved in competitive sports and chess. That doesn’t even count the number I threw away for being in the top 10 or top 50 (yes, top 50 was a thing) because anything outside of the top 3 might as well be participation. The few times I did feel a real sense of accomplishment was when I outright won a few tournies and got prize money… which the state promptly confiscated because scholastic competitors must remain “professional.” If you want to absolutely emotionally crush a high performer, that’s how you do it.

I grew up with many boys who were destined to be great, many far greater than me, grow despondent and non-competitive because what’s even the point of wining if not only are the losers rewarded just as much, but anything of actual value is forcibly and unjustly taken away from you.

With no real reason to compete anymore, competitive sports and chess became simply a boy’s club, not a bad thing on it’s own, and there were still some damn good memories from that, but it exorbitantly lost cohesion and team spirit.

We look at the newer elites and wonder: “why can’t they cooperate well?” (besides being dumber) The answer may very well lie in the fact that they never had to function as an actual team as youth, for all the “team” activities devolved into fun social clubs.

Your Uncle Bob says:

Pax, you’re not wrong at a merely superficial level, but the boomer in you is underestimating just how much would be fixed by paying people. Adjust for inflation, adjust for cost of living, allow for fedgov taxes taking more than they used to and correct for that, and you’re most of the way there.

Getting rid of HR would get you the rest of the way there. Admittedly that’s harder, probably coup-complete, but it’s still less than half.

And I say this as someone who shares your assessment of new young workers. But really, why should they work like I do, or like my parents or grandparents did, when they’d be paid a fraction for the same effort? “Lying flat” as the chinks call it, while morally deplorable, becomes the rational move.

Admitting there’ll be some breakage, some men who’ve made it too much of a habit and can’t recover, fixing wages changes incentives and gets men trying for it again.

jim says:

> fixing wages changes incentives

Absent obedient wives and children, wages are irrelevant.

Contaminated NEET says:

> morally deplorable

No. Cooperating with people who are actively defecting on you does not make one moral. It makes one a sucker.

someDude says:

“Absent obedient wives and children, wages are irrelevant”

Word!

Kunning Drueger says:

“Fixing” wages would be an improvement, though the lack of virgin wives is the underlying, persistent, and primary issue. It’s fascinating nonetheless that they won’t even go after the low hanging fruit of better monetary incentives. They are losing all capacity for strategic reasoning, because the fish rots from the head, and the head is full of HR catlady parasites.

Pax Imperialis says:

how much would be fixed by paying people. […] why should they work like I do, or like my parents or grandparents did, when they’d be paid a fraction for the same effort?

Is quite possibly the most boomer take possible.

Nearly all your ancestors worked hard in good times and in extraordinarily bad times. Unlike the spiritual (it’s a mindset, not an age they will tell you repeatedly) boomers, they did not overly concern themselves with their particular generation making more or less than prior generations. This is because they got married and had children in both good times and extraordinarily bad times. When a man has family he has an ultimate telos. Money can’t fill the void of no telos. Religious fervor and military brotherhood can semi patch over the void, in young men, for a period of time, but patching isn’t filling and it will eventually wear away at the mind and turn them a bit strange.

Except today, we men in the West don’t even have worthy fervent religious causes nor manly militant brotherhoods. Both having been signed a death warrant by atheistic though spiritually bitchy witchy feminists and their cuckolded eunuch man slaves in the Cathedral.

This mess is partly the result of boomers mistaking the telos of family as simply a life style choice and educating future generations in that falsehood. It is partly the fault of the silent generation for being shockingly silent and not whacking some truth into their descendants. It is partly… well smoldering in assigning fault and motionlessness is the spiritual millennial mindset and will get men nowhere. One must ultimately be responsible for their lives and take action.

Aidan says:

Not just that, it is probably thoughtcrime to acknowledge who the key guys are! Nobody wants to tell corporate “this one man’s skills are indispensable and the whole project will collapse without them”. Hell, they cannot even think to themselves that their success is personal and not procedural expertise

Carte Blanche says:

Hell, they cannot even think to themselves that their success is personal and not procedural expertise

Yes, this. It’s the Dilbertization of industry under the watch of MBA-certified “CEOs” with no entrepreneurial experience.

What often starts out as a legitimate need with an informal solution – “we have too many people pulling in different directions, let’s get together and agree on one strategy/process” – can easily be subverted into ISO 9000, CMM, DMAIC, Six Sigma, TQM, “knowledge management” and a thousand other flavors of squid ink costing 10x or 100x as much for compliance as it costs to actually do the real work.

It doesn’t help that these are hard requirements for any government contract, and then become requirements for partnering with any company that does government contracts, and then… etc.

No prospects of a hot virgin wife are definitely a demotivating factor for the average American worker, but even the already-married and low-libido men don’t enjoy being ground down under the corporate equivalent of rectal cancer.

Oversupply of priests, causing feedback loop of induced demand, loss of productivity blamed on non-priests and further overproduction of priests to compensate. Need a dissolution of the monasteries to break the cycle.

Kunning Druegger says:

Here’s the latest from Razorfist:

https://youtu.be/jPBhXYUN7Ws

It is a “status update” on where Disney is at as they HR Catladies run it ever deeper into the ground. I am not going to name names, but I have direct experience with 2 companies, and anecdotal info on at least 3 more, whose sole workable model is to do the same thing Disney is, which is:

-develop massive war chest
-purchase company
-cut corners, bloat the admin, sprawl like mad, reduce wages & hiring standards
-as consequences begin to arrive, purchase competitors outright, trade off of their good reputation even as you destroy what actually made them work

I’ve watched this happen twice, and it’s eerie how, though the were very different industries, the upper management was interchangeable, both phenotypically and teleologically. The anecdotes are the same. The key, to my midwit perspective, is that war chest, the ability to eliminate competition with a buyout. Without that option, these behemoths would collapse in on themselves.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Razorfist makes a good point about the Federal Reserve: No large company ever goes broke as long as the Fed keeps interest rates artificially low, so Disney can get as woke as it wants.

jim says:

The decline of the US$ as an international reserve currency limits the Feds ability to keep interest rates low. If it does not raise and keep on raising interest rates, the international exchange rate of the US$ is going to tank. If it tanks, this will likely accelerate the flight from the dollar, causing it to tank further.

When the tide goes out, you know who has been swimming naked. Though Disney will probably get a federal bailout.

someDude says:

I’d say that the smart guys I’ve worked with and knew closely all knew that their success was personal and not procedural, but only a minority of them were outspoken enough to say it out loud. And those always got sidelined in a hurry. The rest were always “too diplomatic” if I am to put it politely.

Being a smart guy and having a warrior mentality are a mutually exclusive set. A smart guy who can be outspoken is like a high IQ warrior and scares the bejeesus out of HR and management. As for as the state and corporate religion is concerned, a high IQ warrior is like a Kalki or a horseman of the apocalypse.

Contaminated NEET says:

>Kalki
>The Destroyer of Filth

They’re right to be afraid.

Aidan says:

I meant by “their”, not the individual indispensable employees, but “their” as in the company’s success at making advanced technology

someDude says:

@Aidan, Oh, my Bad then.

The reason I interpreted your statement the way I did is, I recalled an article on men imprisoned in Jail for not paying child support in cases where the child was not theirs. Most men in there thought that the system was fair in general and only in their case some mistake was made.

So it is not so far fetched a claim that smart men themselves do not know that the process is “meh” and that they themselves are the ones that made it work. Not all competent men are secure in their competence.

But you are absolutely right, that HR and middle management would probably burst into flames if they even dared entertain the thought that perhaps the exceptional individual and not the process is to be credited.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Everyone can go on pretending that it’s the process that matters, not the people, until a key engineer is accused of sexual harassment and must be fired. What then?

Contaminated NEET says:

>What then?

Then the company goes into decline, but it takes a while for the rot to become obvious. Before it becomes their problem, the the idiots who caused it retire or go on to bigger and better positions at other companies and repeat the process. Nobody with the power to actually make decisions gives a ghost of a damn where the company will be in five years.

ron says:

@Contaminated NEET

> Nobody with the power to actually make decisions gives a ghost of a damn where the company will be in five years.

Why should they? None of them are allowed to have the one thing that matters, a wife.

Red says:

Thinking this over, i bet SpaceX could get the plant built. Elon’s spent a great deal of time building probably the best high tech construction crew in America for Starship.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

In order to bake a cake, one must first invent the universe.

The closer a polity circling the drain gets to going down the tubes, the more and more that a man who wishes to get into the business of any particular finds it necessary to refurnish an increasingly deeper tranche of such aspects of civilization he would theretofore take for granted.

It is, for example, entirely obvious that Musk’s ambitions in space and on Launch Site 1 would be saluted by getting into the business of Our Friend, The Atom; yet the moment he does, the presently metaphorical calls for him to be killed would quickly start turning into literal calls for him to be killed.

Pax Imperialis says:

He’d never get there in the first place under the current regime. His success has been in lightly or pseudo regulated industries, or “holy” industries that the regime was willing to turn a blind eye towards. Today though? Semiconductors are far from “holy.” It’s seen as anti-green and materialistic, energy consuming, icky, low class dirty. Good luck on getting a blank check from the regulators… and that’s not even getting into the aspect of him being a marked man.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

One of the reasons Musk’s activities are tolerated is that, in the incumbent chattering class’s perspective, they don’t expect him to actually succeed.

A serious effort to take civilization up the next step of the Kardishev Scale energetically, on the other hand, would be a major driver providing impetus for success. As dim as they may be, even they can intuitively sense the power behind Our Friend, The Atom – and power is the one thing they fear more than anything.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

To wit: they will tolerate and promote ‘green’ technologies over any else precisely because they are powerless and irrelevant.

Mayflower Sperg says:

They also tolerate and subsidize fusion research because they know it’ll never provide abundant, clean, safe energy. Except for a few reactions that require exceedingly rare isotopes and insanely high ignition temperatures, fusion generates most of its energy as fast neutrons that kill every living thing within a large radius and quickly turn your reactor into a pile of brittle, radioactive junk.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Yep. The moment a form of techne stops being a powerless irrelevancy, is the moment it stops being ‘green’. You can see this in the growing restiveness over battery and EV development as well; what they expected to be another dead end to trap people in is somehow getting too close to actually being economically viable.

Cloudswrest says:

Kartik on EV sales growth.

https://youtu.be/Wg5_m-oVe1As

Cloudswrest says:

BTW, I read somewhere the Tesla Model Y is the most popular car in the world right now according to sales figures.

Cloudswrest says:

I read recently that vast amounts of relatively easy recoverable Lithium was discovered in and around the Salton Sea in California. How much do you wanna bet Gavin Newsom, et al., get this wasteland declared some sort of protected wilderness?

Feinstein and company got areas in the dessert that were rich in Rare Earth ore declared a protected wilderness.

Cloudswrest says:

California regulator rejects desalination plant despite historic drought … on environmental grounds

And heaven forbid you dump saline into the ocean, despite there being infinite sea water available to pre-dilute it with before dumping.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/california-regulator-rejects-plan-desalination-plant-2022-05-13/

Ron says:

Elon is protected because Elon is essential in promoting EV. EV is essential bc it is an easy point of control given thst the entire machine is necessarily run by a computer that can be remotely accessed to shut down on State command or told to accidentally run itself directly into a tree.

Its the equivalent of marriage 2.0, you can have a car, until we decide otherwise.

And since it is so easy to implement an otherwise decision, it is easy and cheap to be a priest, which means more priests, which means more competition among priests, which means yet more incentive among the individual priests to “discover” more ways that “thou shalt not sleep with thine neighbors wife” actually means “thou shalt gang bang thine neighbors wife”.

Anything that makes it easy for the State is not good. EVs make it easy for the State.

dave says:

the Manhattan project had to build a whole supply chain from scratch in 2 years. And they did it. We’ve been coasting on that 1940s supply chain ever since and its slowly been disintegrating and is almost gone now. Oak Ridge, Hanford Site, even Portsmouth Ohio were parts of it. and we havent actually tested a real warhead in a real test in years probably.

First thing new Caesar needs to do after the assay of Ft. Knox is to tell generals to grab a random warhead and see if it goes boom.

Kunning Drueger says:

I disagree. Manhattan Project, the Pentagon construction site, and scores of other initiatives and operations revolving around World War II were not fabricated whole cloth. FDR put a number of men in charge of taking command of the entire industrial output and economy and suborning it to his will. The pieces of the FDR war machine were all in place, what he did was take control of them, illegally and unconstitutionally but who cares right, And then use it to prop up Stalin, spread communism, destroy the English and French empires, and make sure all the good Germans died.

I’m not trying to disparage Leslie Groves or any of the others involved in Manhattan Project. but it remains the case that the managerial takeover of the 20th century has coasted for so long because of the hard work of the so-called robber barons of the 19th century.

dave says:

Yeah I think we’re saying the same thing. The instantiation of the Manhattan project supply chain relied on the industrial infrastructure put in place by the robber barons, Rockefeller Oil, Carnegie Steel, Ford Trucks, Edison Electric.

Still, the instantiation of the chain to build the bomb in a short time frame is both proof of how impressive that infrastrucutre was and what we may not have anymore.

And im not even touching how much of that relied on High IQ managerial class that doesnt exist anymore.

Kunning Druegger says:

Yet another persistent failing of the managerial elite: the stubborn yet unfounded insistence that, because a thing has happened before, or been done before, and because they occupy the skinsuit of that thing, they retain the exact capacity to do the thing. This is similar to a middle aged guy thinking he can snowboard or pick up chicks because he did it decades before and, when he dives right in, he is confronted by the fact that he is no longer what he was. I think we may be approaching that shit in the pants/ice water over the head moment for the GAE, or maybe I just hope we are.

Pax Imperialis says:

The Canadian government has declared no limit on the number of Ukrainian refugees to be allowed in. They have already accepted 230,000 and are expected to accept another 800,000 in the near term. As far as migrants go, not a terrible demographic. They are even White. I must admit, there are some genuine silver linings to this dismal state of affairs. Com, if you’re reading this, I mentioned many months ago that Ukrainian pussy would flood the market and recommended you use this to get a wife on discount. It’s quite literally flying to the same continent as you. Don’t let this opportunity fly past you. I’d like to live in a world in which there are many little Coms running around… potentially out of purely selfish fantasy to hopefully give them a bunch of machetes, lock them into a room full of my unarmed political enemies, and pretend to not notice the screams…

Anyways, some Vietnamese guy (@stevennguyen4993), likely US military as well, on YouTube pointed out the obvious to a West Point lecturer that:

Nah, the military was ALWAYS a political body. The statues were removed WAS a political maneuver. Also, we give respects to elected members of the Congress, but they are inherently not part of the chain of command. The military is led by a few elected and appointed civilians, but don’t mistake that for a public-led military.

to which @Justin_Taylor responds:

I’m not claiming it to be “public lead” but congress is still part of the process. They literally approve our budget. There are congressional insights, any soldier can contact their congressman if things in the military are going wrong. Congressional bodies can tell us what to do, we can’t tell them what to do. They might use us in a political capacity as an arm of international relations, but we cannot tell congress what to do or what not to do. This is what apolitical means, it doesn’t matter who is sitting in the particular seat, we only care that it’s the person or people with the authority.

Notice the logical conflict in the two bold sections? To which @stevennguyen4993 responds:

I’m pretty sure “being used for political capacity” means you’re a political arm. The idea of being apolitical is you having no self-interest. But for the military, that is not the case. The DoD FIGHTS for budgets all the time, even if it’s Congress approving it […] but you can’t deem an entity “apolitical” because it acts as if it doesn’t have a head (even though the military DOES have one).

There’s more and you can find the rest of the exchange near the top of the comment section to this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mNb3ewb0u0

It’s pretty insightful into the (official) mindset of modern West Point academia. This dogma of the apolitical military likely can be traced back to FDR. I remember hearing stories from my grandfather, a West Point graduate, that made it clear, in no uncertain terms, that the military was political circa 1940. Sometime after the 1950s, perceptions changed to the notion of apolitical. I can’t quite pin down the decade. This may have been done due to the problem Gen. Macarthur and Gen. Patton created for the FDR establishment. Clausewitz was required reading, and it still is, but somehow many officers don’t seem to make the connection with war being inherently political to that necessitating the military waging those political wars also being political in nature.

Now in the case of Mr. West Point lecturer, he’s a blue tribesman through and through, and so there’s a case to be made that he simply can’t acknowledge certain truths openly, but I’ve also noticed he’s just not as smart as West Point men used to be from his other videos. It may very well be the case he too dumb, but I’ve also noticed an extremely pervasive notion of the apolitical military among red tribesman of all IQ levels with extreme sincerity. I guess propaganda works. Until that is shattered, expect a top military leadership (O7+) that is dominantly blue tribe because red tribe doesn’t even have the decency to lie about red tribe status for purposes of infiltration. They don’t even network politically.

Western Taliban says:

It may very well be the case he too dumb, but I’ve also noticed an extremely pervasive notion of the apolitical military among red tribesman of all IQ levels with extreme sincerity. I guess propaganda works. Until that is shattered, expect a top military leadership (O7+) that is dominantly blue tribe because red tribe doesn’t even have the decency to lie about red tribe status for purposes of infiltration. They don’t even network politically.

This is the reason why I feel no real attachment or affinity of any kind to the “red tribe” or any current “right-wing” faction, except perhaps avowed reactionaries.

I had friends in high school who actually ended up joining the military even though they were going to be serving for faggots and wahmen and fighting for faggotry and feminism, and we all knew. I refused to join under such circumstances, but this people seemed content to ignore the fact. I feel only indifference if not contempt.

If I have a wish and a hope for the future is that someday a new tribe is born, the crimson skull tribe, that proudly feasts on the blood of its enemies and tramples over all, including the “red tribe”. The apolitical “red tribesman” are as deserving of nine clan execution as the most fervent blue tribesman. If you are “apolitical” you’re just a fucking traitor, my bullet for you.

Kunning Drueger says:

Pax, The era you are looking for is the McCarthy era. recall that the popular recollection of the end of the witch hunts is when McCarthy went after the military. The reality is that the military brass, contractors, and consultants were lousy with reds and pinkos that were connected to State Department, and a grand compromise was signed (unofficially) between State & DoD, a relationship that grew out of NSC 68. The Agency brokered the unholy alliance, and much of the wreck in military and foreign policy springs thence.

The Cominator says:

Which agency, redpill me on this I’m not familiar with it.

Kunning Druegger says:

Central Intelligence Agency.

There’re a number of books about this time frame that can help paint a sort of abstract picture if what was happening and how, but I cannot at this moment dig up the titles. Here follows the story I have cobbled together from my own reading, research, and official & unofficial scholarship.

World War 02 was an absolute mess. Looking back it seems like this powerfully united moment in American history, but that’s whig propaganda. In reality, there was almost no sociocultural unity whatsoever. FDR was absolutely loathed by many elites, so much so that he had to build his own elite, and he did so using the Managerial Archetype. Lots of good contemporaneous accounts of this process, particularly Burnham, but in short, he used the New Deal to construct a Managerial Elite, which then displaced the landed elite and mutilated the agronomic cultural identity. The killshot was funneling the seed corn of the interior into NYC and SF (these were the 2 gateways to the war theaters), but much damage and havoc came about from the 1930s, damage that would have been repaired (IMO) if there had been no WW02.

So FDR builds this autocratic structure with himself at the top, his brain trust, and legions of managerial class zealots (lousy with communists, faggot apologists, and women), then gets called home to hell by Satan. In steps Truman. Lately, I have been seeing people on the Right praise the haberdasher, but I personally think he was a dunce, a moron, and an unwitting tool in FDR’s posthumous hand. As the war is drawing to a close, you have Truman and many people in the US thinking it was time to get back to what America was, but the managerial class wants to do the opposite. FDR tried many ways to force America to become the progressive socialist utopia, but largely fails until the War does all the work for him. It rationalized centralization of industry and government as well as titanic expansion of bureaucracy, incorporation of the Civil Rights DNA, and a host of other terrible things that the elites would not have tolerated. So in 1946-47, the managerial class and its elites are standing on the precipice, watching their domain teeter on the brink.

NSC 68 is the key document, not the only one, but its importance cannot be overstated. I am being dramatic because I hate the Managerial Revolution, but in reality there were plenty of academics, managers, bureaucrats, and warriors that were not fully on board with the New Deal, but they went with the program because of the War. As these types started to waver, the brain trust needed a “next war” to get them back on board. Between ’47 and ’51 this struggle for dominance occurred, mostly behind closed doors (prior to WW02, there was substantially more “policy honesty,” like having a War Department instead of a Department of Defense, and a host of other little things; the managerial revolution ushered in the whole “top secret” memeplex, giving these meddlers wide latitude for their machinations) but in public as well, with a number of events being part of it, like the whole MacArthur thing and the Admiral’s Revolt. McCarthy was tilting at windmills, totally unserious in the context of the actual Red Menace, but just as the Cathedral went nuts over Trump’s rise, so too did the elite managers go crazy that anyone was even challenging their shadow regime.

So the actual Reds (State Department), the Liberals (the new Deal organs of governance/policy), and the aging warriors (the upper echelons of military power) basically coordinate (distributed emergence, not evil summit meeting in volcano lair) to institute the regime we know and loathe today, the Cathedral. Allan Foster Dulles was instrumental in this, as were the daughter groups begat by the American Malvern[1], and the dupes like Truman. I beleive this is when the Cathedral took power completely, though obviously the conspiracy is far older, the demons at play being ever present in the American Elite.

[1] https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,801396,00.html

Kunning Drueger says:

Off topic

IEW News

https://twitter.com/sambendett/status/1654836992704741378

Extremely long thread about FPV drones & the RF war effort. Worth the read because it shows, in real time, what Jim was saying last year is happening and how.

Chad Boomer says:

[*Soros shill script on Bitcoin deleted*]

jim says:

Take the Soros shill test. What has Soros been doing in the Blinken-Nuland-Kragan-Soros plot to give us another brother war?

Chad Boomer says:

Soros has been getting his dick sucked by Kunning Druger in between fucking Red in the ass!

Kunning Drueger says:

Noticed with Brother & Senpai, what a wonderful day.

It must gall you that you can’t just spew stupidity like you do on Gab.

Allegedly.

😉

Pax Imperialis says:

“Chad Boomer” reveals himself as Alexander Soros, the faggot son of George Soros. Really, look at the linked .jpg, you’ll get a laugh from it.

https://content.fortune.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/GettyImages-825068866-1-e1686593879958.jpg

jim says:

That is hilarious.

Pax Imperialis says:

Alex Soros has fully taken over the fund. A brief look at the shilling operations he has taken keen interest in, and his own faggot adjacent proclivities, your Soros shill test is going to inadvertently, partially become a faggot shill test.

That reminds me… Carlylean Restorationist’s (CR) positions are extremely adjacent to David Rubenstein’s views as expressed on PBS, a former Carter aid and founder of The Carlyle Group. The group is similar to Black Rock, that’s to say GAE but lesser known. So one might wonder, is CR taking his namesake from Thomas Carlyle, or more likely taking it from Mr. Rubenstein.

I’d suppose that you now need to have a David Rubenstein shill test, but with a name like that, it’s bound to end up becoming a National Socialist shill test instead rather than a Rubenstein shill test.

Carlylean Restorationist says:

In other news, is your name from Pax for peace or SuperPACs? Or maybe Pakistanis?

When you say “imperialis”, do you mean the bars of soap that we turned all the kikes into, or do you mean Imperial Tobacco?

So a shill for the tobacco lobby operating in the DNC SuperPAC complex.

Wow what a shill.

(God it’s all so tiresome, this game of call everyone a shill. There are facts to be had here, but the strategy of muddying the waters is very effective…. and may I also say, very jewish.)

Kunning Drueger says:

Lol, I guess the flack means he’s over the target. Be honest, how similar is that picture to your IRL visage?

Carte Blanche says:

very jewish

Joo joo joo, joo. Joo joo? Joo JOO joo joo! Joo joo, joo joo joo jooJooJoo, joo joojoo joo.

It sure didn’t take CR very long to regress from “almost sort of coherent” back to “gibbering turd-flinging baboon with AIDS”.

I wonder if his account is operated in shifts, and the weekend guy is a full sigma lower than whomever we were hearing from a few days earlier.

Mayflower Sperg says:

When I need an abbreviation for “the Western ruling elites who hate white people and want us all dead”, I sometimes say “the Jews”. Of course this Judeo-Bolshevik elite also hates nationalist and Orthodox Jews and wants them all dead, but the latter two have no power outside Israel, so not relevant.

Chad Boomer says:

Cracker please! I look nothing like Alexander. I believe in taking care of myself doing 1,000 crunches everyday. I’m at the office now, working because the younger crowed can’t get it right. I’m wearing a wool three piece suit by Armani, black leather shoes by Allen Edmunds, and a $20K Rolex. Even though I don’t need to, I still work to fit in.

Western Taliban says:

believe in taking care of myself doing 1,000 crunches everyday.

Confirmed faggot, I guess Pax was right.

SJ says:

In the matriarchy incentives are all wrong. Since women are unowned and uncontrolled they are “free” to choose to have sex with anyone anywhere at anytime, and they are all wandering around on their own. The biggest obstacle to sex with a matriarchy slut is simply logistics (after you have decent game). The biggest problem with being a player is keeping your booty call list constantly full and refilling. This means in the matriarchy the incentive is to spend all your free time meeting and picking up women.

Being a player is a big commitment. I used to go out at least five times a week, sometimes every single day, just to meet new girls. Being in the middle of a divorce that rendered me homeless and destitute, with all my funds frozen, removed from my house and all my property, for years made this really easy to do. I had quit my job out of despair and just got a shitty part time job, which was great as I had so much time to pick up women. Since the actual goal is women, not money, and since money doesn’t help, but having a full time job actually hurts, being a “loser” in the matriarchy is actually being a winner.

Now after I met my wife and she moved herself into my room, a room that had a sleeping bag on the floor next to a pile of laundry, one chair, and a suspiciously nice computer, my priorities started to change. Now the change was slow because at first she was just a plate and I was constantly planning on kicking her out. But once I decided to keep her now I started to work, and to work a lot. Fast forward to my mid forties and I had gone from a homeless destitute working part time as a warehouse guy at night to pulling in six figures and growing. If I wanted to make more money, then I would, because my priorities changed.

In the matriarchy men’s incentives are to work as little as possible. In the patriarchy, and I created my own patriarchy illegally and painfully, my incentives are to work sufficiently for my goals and I frequently work sixty hours a week. Progs act as if we just have to give people more money to solve the problems but the economy isn’t money, it’s production, and men have no incentive to produce. If they did their is plenty of opportunity still. Unfortunately we are in the throes of matriarchy so most of the successful young guys I know are either Mormons or Mexicans, who still have remnants of a patriarchy.

We don’t need to fix wages, or just somehow give people more money, what we need to do is get the matriarchal sluts under control so men’s incentive and goal is no longer to work as little as possible. In the matriarchy you actually harm your interests by working. Working hard actually makes your life worse, as all the woman including your future wife are busy fcking the men who are their picking them up which isn’t the guys who are working hard to build a future.

Reinhard von Lohengramm says:

Zoomer here. Maybe T-Levels are outrageously fucked up, but 5 times a week? Why? Pussy is good, but it’s just not that good, especially assuming these women you’re getting aren’t anything special (either mid, hamplanets, or just no romantic connection).

Being a player seems like way more work than would be worth it unless you’re on some other level of hornt entirely. Men’s incentives in matriarchy are to spend all time getting pussy, but only if you want pussy that much. Most zoomers I know either find some gf (who they cuck to, at least to some degree) or stick with the hub. The players seem to be socially maladjusted to some degree (or they’re just the only men with normal T-levels, not sure).

jim says:

They are men with normal T levels. Which is increasingly rare.

The normal response to matriarchy is to stay in your single mother’s basement all day playing video games and watching anime porn. Both of these depress your testosterone levels, the porn because you are watching a man immensely more manly than you bang someone hotter than any chick you know, which means you are suffering the psychological experience of being cucked. Which is going to %@^& up your mind.

Since in matriarchy, ten percent of the men pop ninety percent of the virgins, the other ninety percent of the men suffer despair, which depresses their testosterone levels and makes them disinclined to work. The ten percent of men that mop up all the pussy are extremely busy and suffering immense stress, because no matter how alpha you are, there is always someone more alpha than you, “she was never yours, it was just your turn”, and so have no time to do any actual work earning a living.

Reinhard von Lohengramm says:

I suspect you’re right about the stress the alphas are under. Huge number of zoomers who aren’t quite the mom’s-basement-anime-porn-watching dregs, but who also don’t have the desire to looksmaxx their Tinder and go out 5x / week and Game for products of dubious value. It just doesn’t seem worth the effort if you’re gonna get a 4/10 fat slut at best.

Western Taliban says:

Zoomers who aren’t housebroken can just press some buttons on a computer and meet some whore for sex, I’m not surprised he is shocked at the concept of leaving the house five times a week, I myself am. Or maybe it’s an American difference thing? In Europe (including my country and others I’ve lived in) you don’t need to try that hard, at least not me.

I think I’m less than half SJ’s age, and I think he is even younger than you are. The generational difference is so vast that our personal experiences have extremely different contexts even if the substance some times remains the same.

I believe the normal response to matriarchy today is to: a) become a weeb/gamer as you say, b) end up a washout retard that does alcohol/drugs all day in a park like a nigger, c) accept slavery to the matriarchy or d) straight up become a full faggot. You don’t get the druggies or the faggots here, the slaves are the shills.

Personally I went the criminal route, but the actual dangerous one. Kinda funny to go around terrorizing society, but it gets old fast because torturing Havel’s greengrocers and NPCs doesn’t feel so good, at least to me, so I had to do something else. Unfortunately I posses an inherent noblesse oblige that has always made me feel like I should try to make something out of the retards instead of blatantly abusing them. I wish I could do like some people and treat normies like cattle but it just isn’t in me.

alf says:

I’ve known guys who went out many times a week. They all had good game and would walk around like they owned the night. Knowing bouncers and club personnel did not hurt either.

It’s a double-edged sword though. Night life, alcohol and player burnout does not age well.

For me, I would go out… I think tops three times a week? Probably averaging about 1 or 2 times a week. It’s a total numbers game and most nights the numbers are mediocre.

Franklin Porter II says:

[*soros shill script deleted*]

Pax Imperialis says:

the porn because you are watching a man immensely more manly than you bang someone hotter than any chick you know, which means you are suffering the psychological experience of being cucked. Which is going to %@^& up your mind.

I say something similar, in slightly different terms, with a minor coup complete policy suggestion, and it’s like I shook up a hornet nest. Porn is obviously bad stuff for child development, and I get that boys will be boys and will circumvent the best efforts of parents, as boys should, but parents ought not have to live in a society of groomers that is constantly pushing porn, often of the worst kind, on their kids. You, in contrast, receive far less friendly fire than I do, and I suspect it’s to do with my writing style being disturbingly similar to esoteric priesting, yet I’m far from a moralist. Just the most mild degree of perspective indicates America went off the deep end.

Japan, world’s premier purveyor and producer of degeneracies most obscure, enjoys far higher public decency than day to day American family life. Korea, a country with extensive red light districts home to hundreds of thousands of prostitutes, both domestic and foreign, also enjoys far greater public decency than regular American family life. America, where one can see exhibitionist hobo sex in major cities, beneath giant billboard porn ads, to the sound of nigger porn rap booming from passing cars, right outside schools who’s libraries are full of gay smut manuals with pornographic illustrations, has clearly lost any notion of decency, yet bizarrely Americans think Europeans, with their nude beaches, and Asians, with their strange porn and massive red light districts, are somehow disgusting sexual libertines and that America is overly Puritanical (in the enemy definition of the word) when the exact opposite is true.

Carte Blanche says:

It’s not your writing style that’s the issue, it’s the prescription. Many of us may agree about porn being anything from “minor vice” to “spiritual poison”, and I’ve seen no one claiming it’s a healthy habit. But you approach it from a leftist frame: “this thing is bad, so the government should ban it.” Which itself is the product of an older leftist frame: “How can we force people to behave the way we think they should, given a system that is actively hostile toward that behavior?”

Men don’t need to be forced. Don’t need to have their options restricted. Just need to have the crushing constraints on masculinity removed. Put coverture aside for a moment, let’s pretend it’s too radical to get the support of low-T normies; there are still a dozen other policies that would work wonders and gain near-universal support. Eliminating sexual harassment laws and HR oversight. Eliminating no-fault divorce. Legalizing anabolic steroids, de-stigmatizing TRT and making testosterone part of the annual physical exam. Making prostitution itself the crime instead of “soliciting”, and declaring OnlyFans, Instawhore and other e-thot services to be a form of prostitution. And so on. Men want to be men, they don’t want to be dropouts watching porn, but are constantly being browbeaten and henpecked into the simp lifestyle.

Your delivery is fine – well, most of the time, anyway. But on this issue your priorities are all messed up. Banning drugs doesn’t stop drug addiction and banning porn won’t stop porn addiction. All it does is convert a loser element of society into a criminal element, accompanied by black markets and a multibillion dollar annual price tag for the new bureaucracy.

And I’m surprised you would pick Japan, where hopeless “herbivore” men are buying used panties from vending machines, as a counterexample. Japan’s fertility was cratering even before America. Sure, it’s got a degree of public decency, and that tells us porn has very little to do with public decency; it’s simply not filled with niggers and spics and run by homo politicians and priests. But in terms of survival odds it’s not even in the top ten. Bad example.

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Korea seems to be doing better but only slightly; I still recall the whole scandal with their female PM a few years back, obviously a very feminized and blue-pilled society by historical standards.

America is the most degenerate of all, because (a) demographics and (b) Imperial Capital. Degenerate porn is a symptom of degenerate people and degenerate culture, not their cause.

S says:

‘looks at wiki’
There are two different sources for 2023 and one of them gives a TFR of .8 for South Korea. Whatever is going on there is worse then Japan.

Pax Imperialis says:

a leftist frame: “this thing is bad, so the government should ban it.”

>it’s the prescription.

Again, and again, I’ve pointed out I’m not arguing for a ban. Why people keep suggesting I favor a ban is beyond me. Children are the property of their fathers. It is the father’s right to determine what his children get exposed to. If he wants to give alcohol/cigarettes/porn to his kid, that is his choice and ONLY his choice, but if some adult stranger is trying to give his kid a minor vice, you know what the actual evil intention is and that is not fine.

I said nothing about what the government should do about the actual content of the porn, its production, or even its distribution to adults. Only on its purposeful distribution to children by others not the father. This is hardly a leftist frame. All I prescribed was to make it illegal to give other people’s children shit the father doesn’t approve of, and to have a friendly government promote the creation of tools for fathers to have greater control. Unstated was my position that government should also provide proper legal recourse for the father to exact recompense against obvious groomers, and to have a pretext to lock up evil.

Today the father is left with a choice, go to the authorities and hope they sort it out, or deal with it privately. Neither are viable because the authorities will protect evil men as well as screw fathers for taking matters into their own hands. My point being that Patriarchy, at a minimum, requires at least tacit support from the government. Turning a blind eye to Patriarchal vigilantism is really just government dispensing its authority to trusted men of good standing. That is what government of the people, by the people entails, and in turn means Patriarchy is a quasi government institution, but that requires a virtuous men in the first place which we do not have today. Patriarchy is not viable for the masses under a hostile government.

>Men don’t need to be forced.

That is a libertarian frame. How’s that working out for you? Virtuous men do not need to be “forced,” but we have very few virtuous men today. Virtuous men come from monarchs who enforced virtue by force. Eventually, the monarch finds he does not need to use nearly as much force as he once did for virtue is semi self propagating. Virtuous men then mistaken their virtuous nature as being innate rather than from monarchical authority. They get rid of the monarchy as they think authority is fake. Over time they lose their virtues and become the fallen elite we have today. On the contrary to your frame, virtuous men do not need to be “forced,” but boys do need to be forced to do the things that make them virtuous men in the first place.

Men want to be men, they don’t want to be dropouts watching porn, but are constantly being browbeaten and henpecked into the simp lifestyle.

That is true of normal men. We now live among men who’ve never had a father figure, never known what it means to have ownership and responsibility and actual freedom, never known anything else but vice and bondage. To them being browbeaten and henpecked is all they’ve known. Low T levels throughout their childhood development has caused permanent structural brain differences that can’t be fixed by raising T levels in adulthood. These are not men. These are permanently crippled and disfigured pseudo eunuchs stuck in adolescence. They compose of ~30% of young “men” today. A minority but a sizable one that will be baggage for generations. Sure, they semi know something is missing similar to how the blind from birth know something is missing, but no amount of intervention can change what was never there to begin with.

Your libertarianism is going to have limited success with eunuchs. The only thing they respond to, like women, is force. Government issued whore wives would have zero chance of success like it did in Australia. Violent criminals, for all their faults, are still recognizably high T men capable of owning whores.

And I’m surprised you would pick Japan [etc]

As you pointed out America is the most degenerate, that is not the typical perception among middle age Americans. Common perception is that Japan is far worse, and it was 10 years ago, but the situation, especially for young American men, has quickly gotten worse and perception is lags behind reality. The point was to serve as comparison of perception vs reality and I was being a bit hyperbolic. I picked Japan and Korea, both among the worst of the worse to really drive home the point that America in comparison is in deep trouble.

Japan’s hopeless “herbivore” men buying used panties is no different from America’s hopeless “incel” men buying ‘gamer girl bath water’ and shelling out huge amounts of money on E-girls. The Japanese VTuber industry quickly found out that America was a far larger market. Your focus on buying used panties is also indicative of outdated perception. Such an act is at least material. American incels are dumping their money on pixels on a computer screen.

You bring up fertility rates, the US is at 1.64 and Japan 1.34. Japan is in the same ballpark as the Italians at 1.24. You might even claim America is marginally better, yet Japan’s birth rate is nearly purely Japanese while the American birth rate is is brought up significantly by recent immigrants, niggers, and spics. The White (non-Hispanic) birth rate is supposedly 1.54, but when looking at legacy Americans… Vermont is the one state that remains the most purely legacy White American, thus harder to fudge the statistics with fake Whites, it’s birth rate is 1.37, indistinguishable from Japan, and if you separate the 7 percent non-White from the stats it falls lower than Japan. It is likely America’s core White demographic has lower birth rates than Japan.

>But in terms of survival odds it’s not even in the top ten. Bad example.

I’d bet Japan has better odds than America. Keep in mind their circumstance of being an American vassal state. In spite of that, they have a more stable government and cultural-racial-demographic than America. They have great potential to rebound without major civil strife. America in contrast…

Red says:

All I prescribed was to make it illegal to give other people’s children shit the father doesn’t approve of, and to have a friendly government promote the creation of tools for fathers to have greater control.

If someone is grooming your child the correct response is to kill them. How is the government going to help with that?

What sort of tools do you want? We already have tools to watch everything that gets put on kids phones.

Pax Imperialis says:

So you want to dispense justice.

In this case by killing a bad guy. The best scenario is that you have both government acceptance and a posse to back you up. Without the first you’ll be seen as a murderer and become a target of a posse yourself. Without the second is just stupid risky and should be avoided unless you really don’t have any other option. Superior numbers with superior firepower is how you get back home alive. If you don’t see how government can help with that…

Let’s say you’re a manly man who don’t need no government involvement. You assemble a band of armed men who approve of your righteous goal to hunt down the bad guy. By dispensing law, your law, you’ve effectively become a governing body, a contradiction in regards to no government involvement; however, you’re now a potentially illegitimate government within a greater governing body.

You’ll either need to make arraignments with the greater governing body which takes you back to the best scenario case, make no arraignment and become an outlaw, or outright conquer the space and become the sole power.

KKK had outright local government backing and, for a long time, tacit federal government blind eye to deal with niggers. It is why they were able to maintain the peace. In that sense they were a government institution that White Southerners could receive help from.

Government involvement is inherent to dispensing justice. It can either kill you, impede you, legitimize you, or outright aid you. Remember how I’ve repeatedly repeated the necessity for a ‘friendly government?’

Let’s get to tools.

Fundamentally, posses are social tools, and men don’t like being tools for bad causes. They’ll want to know you’re not just bullshitting them. This is why legal systems exist. To make sure you’re not just stringing people along to settle petty grudges rather than dispense real justice. Legal systems are social tools, yet only functions well when the spirit of the law is followed rather than legalism’s letter of the law. Meaning one has to often bend the letter of the law to carry out its spirit. Dirty Harry anyone?

This requires socially acceptable pretexts, another social tool. You might ask: ‘What could possibly be a good pretext to get rid of a groomer?’ See, it might be rather difficult catching a groomer in bed with a boy, but it’s much easier and better to catch them offering minor vice, one of their common tactics.

make it illegal to give other people’s children shit the father doesn’t approve of

huh, would you look at that… This is what ‘corruption of minors charges’ used to be understood as. It wasn’t giving alcohol to the minor that was the problem, it was giving alcohol with the intent of raping, yet intent is very hard to prove even if blatantly obvious. Today’s strict legalism wants to charge parent with corruption of minors for providing their kids a few sip of wine, necessitating a plethora of law makers who then bloat the law books, which eventually makes law unwieldy.

It’s possible to restore the spirit of the law in regards to ‘corruption of minors charges,’ but in relation to internet traffic, needs a minor update for dealing with the digital rather than the irl. In essence, new social tools are needed. Nothing major which is why I kept pointing out it was a modest proposal.

Red, I have no doubt you’re a good programmer, but damn it, its made you too formalistic in your thinking. Governing and leading men is the opposite of formula no matter how much the MBA wishes it could be replaced by ‘process.’ It’s a matter of spirit. You’re doing a literal reading of what I and others write, not to say the literal meaning is wrong, but you’re not reading double meaning encased in the spirit of what I and others write. So I’m stuck trying to explain to you the spirit in literal terms. A process that takes thousand of words and appears to go nowhere. It’s like I toss at you a phrase like “Mission First, People Always,” and you have a conniption because the literal meaning does not compute, and then I write thousands of words on the spirit and why it makes sense only for you to not get it because as it turns out, words cannot always encapsulate the totality of meaning hidden in spirit.

Red says:

@Pax

>So you want to dispense justice.

To your wall of text that’s basically you cock sucking the “all powerful state” I say: Gary Plauché.

To this day the groomers in the school are very careful not to pick strong fathers who might come over and blow their heads for attempts to groom their children. No state program required, just a righteous man who was willing to suffer for punishing evil. This more creates much better deterrence far most than shitty laws do.

Almost all justice is private by nature. What we see from the state today is mostly injustice. Justice comes from men willing to violence those who do evil to their own. While they suffer for dealing righteous justice in an unjust nation, evil people quake at the thought of it happening to them and modify their targets accordingly.

To add to that, the Soviet Union had a program to recruit children to inform on their parents. This went on for a couple decades until a little boy who had his parents sent to the gulag was found beaten to death and tossed down a mine shaft. The Grandfather was unrepentant about what he did to the boy. He was punished by the Soviet Union but all such cases of children informing on their parents stopped.

Pax Imperialis says:

>To your wall of text that’s basically you cock sucking the “all powerful state”
>Almost all justice is private by nature.

No, this is nothing about the “all powerful state.”

What I pointed out was that as soon as you impose rule you’ve become something akin to a very miniature sub-state. That’s all a state is, imposed rule on owned space. You become the miniature government of that space. Governments are naturally suspicious of competition within the same space which necessitate playing the power game and potentially coming to an accord, which I explained at length.

All justice, even if carried out for private purpose, is of government and will result in broader government reactions be it at the local, state, federal, or supranational level. When you scale this up you get things like Wagner’s march for justice. Prigozhin temporarily became a state powerful enough to negotiated at the same table as Putin. Of course Putin did not like this and Prigozhin got “exiled.” Who knows what the actual agreement was.

Governments, as I pointed out, have several options on how to deal with miniature sub-states. They can co-opt them, ‘ignore’ them, or crush them.

>Gary Plauché

Is a near horror story of what happens with an unfriendly government. A friendly government would have sanctioned his action. Contrary to the Soviet example, the American state has doubled down numerous times. Reporting on parents has become pretty frequent in some upper middle class places in the US as well. No gulag though.

>To this day the groomers in the school are very careful not to pick strong fathers…

Most grooming is just preparatory grooming. Schools teaching gender egalitarianism for example sets girls up to sluts and the boys faggots. It largely flies under the radar of normies. Try teaching in a school, it’s pretty easy to be a substitute. You’ll see any number of disturbing shit. The few strong fathers have fled from the schools and are increasingly insular. There’s very few of them which should tell you much about the state of American men.

Carte Blanche says:

Unpacking all the strawmen and logical inconsistencies here would take all day, and I don’t want to keep responding with ever longer walls of text, so I will pick out the top 3.

You want to “make it illegal to give other people’s children shit the father doesn’t approve of”. Have you given any thought to how something like that is going to work? If I’m running a grocery store and a kid wants to buy a soda, does he need a permission slip from his father to prove that he’s allowed to have sugar? It’s already illegal to sell porn to minors – you know that, right? That means either the fathers don’t care or the laws aren’t enforceable, or both.

As I said earlier, if you really want to make porn more difficult to obtain then just tax and regulate it. Play to the bureaucracy’s one and only strength. There’ll be tons of kickbacks, favoritism and other corruption in the industry, but so what? Your goal in the first place was to fuck up the industry, so mission accomplished.

You then argue in one paragraph that the men in question have never had a father figure – whether that means literally fatherless, or simply a weak father with domineering mother, isn’t specified. The former would fly in the face of facts: boys raised by single mothers are more violent, more aggressive, more criminally-inclined, and so on; they got 99 problems but a bitch ain’t one. The latter is a more plausible explanation for young men “checking out”, but then the solution is pants-on-head ridiculous: weak fathers beget weak boys because they are terrible role models and worse teachers, not because they failed to adequately restrict porn-viewing.

I can’t even criticize the logic because there isn’t any logic. X is caused by Y, so let’s go after Z. Huh?

And finally there’s the “libertarian” name-calling. Putting aside the absurdity of slapping that label on someone who just said “tax and regulate the industry”, libertarianism is an economic philosophy whose central conceit is the mistaken idea that personal decisions are always based on rational self-interest as opposed to the tribal, religious, emotional or magical modes of thinking under which people typically operate in reality. This then leads to the naive conclusion that systemic, organized defection (“aggression”) in society is an unimportant concern that will sort itself out once the NAP Eschaton is achieved.

Exactly none of that has any relationship to what is going on with men in the sexual marketplace. Men are oversocialized, feminized, taught and forced to respec whamen. The problem is not too much aggression, but too little aggression. It is plainly obvious that men’s natural instincts are being suppressed because despite all this conditioning, People Are Still Having Sex. Take a 16-year-old boy, lock him in a closet with a 16-year-old girl, and they are eventually going to fuck. The problem with libertarianism is that we don’t have biological imperatives toward reason; we do, however, have biological imperatives toward getting laid. Libido can be suppressed, just as hunger can be suppressed, but both come back in full force as soon as the suppressant is taken away. Fathers need to control their daughters, not their sons, and it is not exactly difficult for a grown man to dominate a 12-year-old daughter when there aren’t other men with guns forcing him to stand down.

Porn sucks, but there are a hundred other problems ahead of it in the queue. You’re moralfagging, and coming up with flimsy rationalizations for moralfagging, and we’ve called you out on it. You can get over it or you can keep being salty about it, but either way these incoherent drunk-posts aren’t going to persuade anyone to your side.

Pax Imperialis says:

>If I’m running a grocery store and a kid wants to buy a soda

You obviously know I didn’t mean soda.

>It’s already illegal to sell [and give] porn to minors – you know that, right?

Except it’s not. The definition of porn has been watered down massively. “Soft porn,” which your ancestors would have considered beyond the pale, is massively distributed in the schools, the public square, and even at football games. Much of it being pushed by the state. If even the Super Bowl is pornographic, there might be a problem.

>That means either the fathers don’t care or the laws aren’t enforceable, or both.

I look at society a mere 30 years ago and it was more enforceable, 70 years ago and it was much more enforceable, 400 years ago and there would have been inquisition for public pornographic debauchery. The laws are enforceable but the state chooses not to and fathers can’t do much about it because power has dictated them to be the enemy. The problem isn’t fathers or the laws but the state.

>Your goal in the first place was to fuck up the industry

It wasn’t. The goal is to create legal pretext for removal of bad guys and to shove consumption out of the public view. To aid in creating a social environment conducive for installing Stoic values. The historical Western setup.

>I can’t even criticize the logic because there isn’t any logic. X is caused by Y, so let’s go after Z. Huh?

It was X, Y, Z logic, but a side observation that your view of human nature is wrong, and since we fundamentally disagree on that we have different logic sets. Not an argument on porn but is certainly tangential topic to the problem of porn.

You claim men don’t need to be forced. I’m sure you also believe in “free will” and “individuality.” Fake and gay concepts. Freedom, if such a thing actually exists, comes from being able to exercise ownership, which comes from being virtuous, which is itself is due to being answerable to an absolute moral authority… which means men do have to be forced. The deconstruction of moral authority has cascaded.

>libertarianism is an economic philosophy…

It’s a political philosophy. Go ahead and pretend it isn’t built on top of social liberalism. You’ll be wrong. Noam Chomsky has as much of a claim to libertarianism as Rothbard. Hoppe noticed the problem and went post libertarian. The mistake of libertarianisn goes beyond it’s view of human nature and lies in it’s goal to maximize autonomy and political freedom, and minimize the state. All that serves is to make inferior men and cede power of the state to the enemy. You may not have libertarian economic positions, but you are definitely, at least partly, libertarian philosophically.

>Fathers need to control their daughters, not their sons

Half true, sons require a firm upbringing to be virtuous men. Forced shared adversity and instilled stoicism is what builds warriors. Not freedom. Boys have been overly socialized by women, and completely under socialized by men. Violence is not the marker of masculine energy and vigor. Capability to organize as a tribe is.

>People Are Still Having Sex

True, but what people and at what rates. Over 60 percent of men under 30 are single, and 30% of men in total are incels.

>Take a 16-year-old boy, lock him in a closet with a 16-year-old girl, and they are eventually going to fuck.

And then what, is the boy going to marry the girl and raise children? Probably not. The very idea of patriarchy is foreign to many of these men. That Andrew Tate is famous for stating what was once the obvious means many of the boys today don’t have a clue. That girl will, on average, end up cucking the boy.

>Porn sucks, but there are a hundred other problems ahead of it in the queue.

Every major problem ultimately goes back to sex and reproduction of which porn is adjacent to.

>You’re moralfagging, and coming up with flimsy rationalizations for moralfagging

Every day I become more sympathetic to the Taliban.

Kunning Drueger says:

Pax, it really comes down to this: if an idea starts with “there should be a law…” or “the government should get involved with…” or some other statement of the same flavor, it’s a Whig idea, or an idea with Whiggery Diggory under the hood. It really is that simple.

Completely unrelated, henceforth we should refer to all white progressives as “whiggers.”

Fidelis says:

@KD

There should be an Imperial Magisterium dedicated to eradicating the sources, man and idea, from which public pornography flows.

I cannot find the exact wording, but Marquis de Sade was a huge proponent of introducing porn into society with the intention of turning over the old order. Advocated for public sex shows.

It is a problem, it does need eradicating.

Kunning Drueger says:

I don’t disagree, I just think that A) it’s symptomatic, not causal, and B) the Government should be small, narrowly focused, and overwhelmingly powerful. I’m not a libertarian, and to be honest, the only libertarian I’ll even tolerate for more than 5 minutes is my wife, because libertarianism is the political equivalent of a female fashion accessory. I think the Law should be memorizable, and enforcement schemes should be brutally efficient. So the idea of Porn Laws just seems silly to me. It’s a priesting thing, not a warrior thing.

I agree with much of the content of Pax’ statements, but that doesn’t really change the fact that pornography is way downstream from the actual issue, that being female empowerment. Above, he’s called Coverture a cargo cult. This is completely misguided blue pill faggot shit. So I’m not going to contribute any further to a masturbatory argument about porn lel. Unleash the Inquisitors on the pornographers, by all means, but their just going to come back and say “the issue is slut availability, not kikes with cameras.”

Pax Imperialis says:

@KD

What I’m saying about coverture, is that without any dedicated proposed pathways to rebuilding the underlying structures, we are doing the same thing anti-abortionists are doing. Clamoring for a more civilized people’s social technologies that we Americans are currently, on average, too decivilized and primitive to create our selves. That is inherently cargo cultish behavior.

I do agree with coverture, and I also agree with Christian Nationalism, but what I do not see is talk of creating a Christian Nationalist Patriarchy complete with a National Council (Papacy analogue) and High Priest, which is sort of a prerequisite to having an effective state religion. No Christian state religion, no religious program, no restoration of social norms, no coverture.

America’s original coverture practices came from the English, but none of the support structure came alone. It lasted for a good while until the metaphorical cultural logistic chain evaporated and we were left with the memory. Again, very cargo cultish.

America has had 2 centuries of Christian norm and tradition destruction with a side of 1000 heresies blooming and fragmentation of a 1000 schisms… I’m not saying it’s impossible to get a Christian Nationalist Patriarchy in our life times, but good luck on getting coverture in our life times.

If such a programs gets started, coverture will be only for a select few elites for a very long time before it’s deployed for the masses. Likely something to look forward for America’s children’s children.

Do you want to attempt to secure your bloodline by setting up your kids? I’d suggest Russia for that. If Mayflower Sperg is reporting true, they’ve already semi implemented it.

Mayflower Sperg says:

There’s nothing to look forward to for “America’s children’s children” because they won’t exist. When globohomo finally gives up the ghost, America will look like wherever it got its last batch of immigrants from.

I don’t see coverture making a comeback in Russia either, at least not in places I’ve been to. Russian culture looks very much like American culture, minus the feral niggers, rainbow flags, and homos dancing in the streets. Teenagers dress the same, Russian rap sounds like nigger rap, and fat chicks wear T-shirts that say “Strong Independent Woman”. The career-girl problem may even be worse here because many office jobs require fluency in foreign languages, something women are generally better at.

Though I do see quite a few white children playing in the park, which supports Anglin’s claim that if you just remove the Jewish influence, white people will revert to doing what comes naturally.

jim says:

> I don’t see coverture making a comeback in Russia either

They shut down the gay parade, shut down pussy riot. There are significant voices in Russia calling for de-emancipating women.

War is the father of us all. A state with emancipated women cannot fight wars for lack of sons and lack of manly men. Female emancipation being culturally shut down preparatory to the war of Northern Aggression and the second world war shows that some people knew it back then. Do you think they have forgotten it now?

Mayflower Sperg says:

Russia gave Prigozhin just enough ammunition to save its bacon in Ukraine, and I worry that Russia will restore the patriarchy, by timid, hesitant half-measures, just enough to remain a viable country.

My wife wants to move to Belarus because she sees what a chad ❤️Lukashenko❤️ is compared to Putin. I chose Russia instead, reasoning that if Russia falls, Belarus gets color-revolutioned the next day and extradites me back to Biden-land.

Do you think they have forgotten it now?

Yes I do. There were many Americans in the halls of power in 1933 who knew what manliness was and what it was good for. No one alive today and working in the government has any clue.

jim says:

> Russia gave Prigozhin just enough ammunition to save its bacon in Ukraine, and I worry that Russia will restore the patriarchy, by timid, hesitant half-measures, just enough to remain a viable country

Probably. Putin is a 1990s liberal.

Pax Imperialis says:

@Mayflower Sperg

I seem to remember you mentioning Russians seeing their 14 year old daughters getting married being ok? That seems like good conditions for shotgun and arraigned marriages, after which coverture isn’t that far.

No one alive today and working in the government has any clue.

This is partly why I’m disagreeing with Jim on the speed of recovery, if there is one. At least 30% of young White men are likely permanently developmentally retarded, both in terms of cognition and masculinity. Add on the useless minorities and likely 50% of men are simply dead weight for the foreseeable future. They are chocking up resources both inside and outside the government.

Even if the government could be made masculine again, no amount of testosterone replacement therapy is going to fix that 50% of dead weight. They are incapable of ownership.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Russians seeing their 14 year old daughters getting married being ok

I don’t think so anymore, because I’ve not seen one woman with a baby who could plausibly be under 20. Maybe in Chechnya, maybe among the Old Believers, but not in my surroundings.

A2 says:

Are public morals a leftist concept?

Forbidding or deriding low-status behaviour is actually for the benefit of all you losers out there — don’t stay single until you’re an old; don’t get divorced; don’t get fat; don’t be a homo; don’t be a lesbian; don’t smoke weed or gorge yourself on drug candy; don’t sit around pulling your little rod and then nap.

By the way, I do expect Japan didn’t have panty vending machines prior to being occupied by GAE. It’s social HIV that eventually turns into fullblown social AIDS.

Red says:

No one disagreed with the idea that porn bad, any more than we think that binge drinking is good. But it’s the sort of bad shit people do to themselves that more counter productive to make illegal than it’s worth. Pushing it as the source of great evil that’s twisting minds is exactly the bullshit that the McChristains have been pushing for 40+ years now while as cover for the their embrace of women’s lib. You sound like a McChristain when you rant and rave about it.

jim says:

Porn is a problem, a widespread private problem, and our enemies are subtly corrupting the free porn that they make at a loss to make it even more corrupt and perverting than it already is. But Romance literature and chick flicks are a bigger problem.

The inquisition needs to make sure romance literature is imbued with the proper feminine values, and should depict protagonists who behave as women are naturally apt to behave as suffering severe social consequences and not getting their happily ever after. Camelot needs to be done with Lancelot and Guinevere as a tragedy where wicked character flaws result in everyone dying. Porn? Not an issue that I feel like thinking about.

Pax Imperialis says:

>But Romance literature and chick flicks are a bigger problem.

It’s all porn. I cracked open a few of those Romance books from the 19th and 20th century because you have mentioned it more than once. With titles like ‘The Nunnery Tales’ (1866) and ‘The Lustful Turk’ (1828) with female protagonists and many male side characters, the plots should be pretty obvious. I even found a book called ‘Gynecocracy’ (1893).

We men view porn as purely a visual thing communicated by pictures, but for women it is mostly a mental process communicated by words. It is a mistake to make a distinction between porn and Romance literature.

Cloudswrest says:

I remember back in the 1980s, in all the horror flicks, the whores were the first to die. It was cliché! It even goes back at least as far as Bram Stoker’s Dracula where the tart Lucy is the one who gets turned into a vampire and has her head cut off, while Mina, who is virtuous, survives, although she does fall under Dracula’s spell.

Cloudswrest says:

“Dracula” is really a Victorian novel about sex. Although one should note, it was written by a man.

SJ says:

You spend a lot of time meeting women because you are not getting a girlfriend, you are getting plates. Or perhaps you set a goal to get same day lays. You have to meet a lot of women because after you have decent game then it is just a numbers game. Some women are in slut mode where they are mentally cruising for dick, and you need to meet those women in a situation where you can get them alone. I suggest everyone stop this boyfriend/girlfriend nonsense and start dating the red pill way right away. She’s either a plate or she’s a wife, and you marry her.

Now you don’t get a girlfriend because you don’t stop meeting new women. You might have a plate that lasts a long time though. I had a plate that lasted years, sometimes she would get wobbly but she kept coming back to try to make me be her boyfriend. I started seeing her when she was nineteen, or I should say I had a reputation and she invited herself into my booty call list when she was nineteen.

I think all men in the matriarchy who have an interest in women should master becoming the matriarchy man. I had that plate helping me meet new women and new plates, she would buy me gifts all the time, or other stuff such as once one of her orbiters got her concert tickets so she took me to a concert. You also realize women will come approach you and invite themselves into your booty call list brazenly. Including very young women, who you likely are not in the habit of checking IDs with.

One very brazen experience I had was the store manager of Macy’s was aware of my reputation so she had one of her young employees approach be and offer to buy me an all expenses paid skiing vacation with her along with new clothes and a bunch of gifts should I spend that vacation banging this forty year old woman. I told her no thanks, as I had a roster of much younger women I was enjoying. Later I saw the Macy’s manager and she started to cry and babble to me about how sorry she was to have bothered me then she ran away.

You get a different view of women when you are one of the men on the prowl. Women know you are, they can tell, and they will arrange for themselves to be caught by inviting themselves over to your bedroom alone. You also realize that the number one piece of sexual attraction for women is preselection. Because other women find you sexually attractive, other women will find you sexually attractive. It is like a circular feedback loop and the biggest takeaway I would want other men to learn.

Dating the red pill way ensures the woman is following you when you upgrade her from plate. You have the hand and she knows you can and will defect on her and win, because men can play the game past age thirty or thirty five with much younger women. Then you can eventually choose a girl who passes your compliance tests and upgrade her. There is a reason I have a much much younger wife who draws all eyes in every room she walks into, who birthed another child for me only five months ago and yet yesterday was so happy as she just got back down under 100 pounds.

Doom says:

>In the matriarchy men’s incentives are to work as little as possible.
Yup. There are (modern) african cultures where men do absolutely nothing much at all, barely feeding themselves. Women do everything from farming to child rearing, all men have to do is be as sexy as possible.

Similar to lions in a way.

Here’s a question chain no one really ever seems to ask.
What does a male lion do on average? Protect the pride, right?

But the gender birth ratio of lions is 50/50. So if we have a pride of 9 females, 1 male, that means there are 8 other male lions that were born, so where are they?

“I don’t like the patriarchy”, okay, so how many hours a day do you want to work, lady? All of them?

Cloudswrest says:

I noticed this previously, and now people are actually commenting on it. Demon possession etched into one’s face.

https://twitter.com/BrowningMachine/status/1682651977778360320

Cloudswrest says:

Are there any Ukrainian “Londos” to replace Zelinski?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZslQ8Snkg64

Hesiod says:

The face worn by the high priestess during Carthaginian sacrifices.

Enormity of Failure says:

[*Soros shill script on bitcoin deleted*]

jim says:

Take the Soros shill test. What has Soros been doing in the (((Blinken-Nuland-Kragan-Soros))) plot to give us another brother war?

nobody says:

nobody has to take soros test bc soros is [*total and complete digression from the shill test deleted*]

jim says:

I asked you a specific question about a very bad thing Soros did.

Your answer amounts to: Soros is a very bad person because he is so much smarter and richer than you us dumb goy cattle. Similarly, no doubt, you hate blacks and women because blacks are magical and women are wonderful.

anybody says:

[*total failure to pass the woman question test and the soros shill test deleted*]
any questions?

jim says:

> any questions?

I asked you what has Soros been doing in the Blinken-Nuland-Kragan-Soros plot to give us another brother war?

And you did not answer.

And since you volunteered for the woman question test without being asked, why are women misbehaving?

Don Jorge Sortinos says:

Hola,

It is so good to be here in America. It was a long journey. The benefits are muy bueno! The party la Democratica has bought me a new house and car and placed me in a government job making six figures. America, land of opportunity!

nobody says:

worthless printed money printed by filthy jewish faggots, owners of fucking jew owned democrats. get out of usa before it implodes.

someDude says:

Troll

Kunning Drueger says:

Two significant items and a modicum of analysis:

– Wagner trainers/advisors/… pathfinders?… are on the Belarus-Poland border doing exercises.

– Honduras is seeming to follow San Salvador in terms of methodology for criminal scum.

Item 01 is interesting, because Wagner has one motivation, regardless of all the bullshit put out there: advance the goals of the Rodina. Sometimes this means supporting the Kremlin, sometimes it means executing people, sometimes it means fighting for 9 months to capture a small town. Most analysts assumed that Wagner would start to accrete on the northern border of Ukraine for bewegenskrieg towards Kiev. The fact that they’re on the Polish border is… troubling and exciting.

Item 02 is a blip, not really a big deal… except that Bukele invoked a piece of forgotten history not long ago. Look at the Honduran flag. Now look back at me. No look at the history of the Americas from 1780-1850. Now back at me. the 5 stars represent the now-Countries of central America that were on a course to replicate the Democratic Republic system of their northern neighbors. Lempira and others wanted to do the same thing as the OG 13 colonies, and this trend was actually widespread, from Bolivar to the other mudbloods that those guacamole niggers idealize. Bukele, put of nowhere for most people, brought the idea up again, and it’s nothing big, not now, but history can get tricky, particularly when one knows about the actual dynamics at play and the “pieces on the board” in terms of demographics. Bukele becoming not-quite-but-kind-of King of Centroamerica gets super interesting if Mexico and Texas are suddenly in play. Not likely, but not impossible. Texas is controlled by a crippled faggot that thinks bussing spics to NYC is some kind of power move.

Red says:

– Wagner trainers/advisors/… pathfinders?… are on the Belarus-Poland border doing exercises.

It’s a warning to Poland about what might happen if they move into Ukraine, which seems to be NATO latest plan.

That’s very positive news about Honduras. If it continues this indicates both weakness in the Gay American Empire and that sanity is returning to areas that might be good bugout locations.

Mayflower Sperg says:

That’s some serious reactionary jiu-jitsu. Latin America exports its entire criminal class to the USA to live on crime, welfare, and voting Democrat, and in exchange they get based white Americans who’ll turn their countries into new Singapores.

White liberals must be overjoyed that we Nazi hate-mongers are leaving their utopia, and all that wonderful vibrant diversity is coming to take our place. Everybody wins!

notglowing says:

How long is GAE going to let Bukele do what he wants?
Let’s hope their troubles in Europe keep them away for long enough. But central America is Uncle Sam’s backyard. I would not be so sure.

Kunning Druegger says:

It’s not a simple issue. Flooding the South with the worst Centromerica has to offer was a short term tactic of the Cathedral to swamp rurality and humiliate whites. But that also means the countries being drained are more stable, as they have less trash lying around, and there’s a stronger sense of identity and loyalty those who “stayed.” So the NGO/Nonprofit netherbeast has to work with what they have. Based solely on La Wik and random news articles, the “counter protests” that pop up every time he does something is described as “at least a thousand” or “more than a thousand,” and it is my sense that that’s what the Color Revolution Builders have to work with. The CIA is not what it was, and while the budgets may be bigger on paper, in all likelihood there is not even a fragment of the linguistic, geographic, or socio-cultural command that was needed for the meddling of the 1950-1980s. Further still, even the cigar rollers and banana pickers know about the shady gringos with briefcases of money, so the only real option is probably the college age sluts who call themselves aid workers, volunteers, or whatever performative priesting is popular this week.

He has plenty of local enemies, and I cannot imagine he got this far with poor security and naivety, but there’s always the risk of assassination. They got to Bolsonaro and gutted his will to fight, they will probably try the same with Bukele. But I bet it will be sloppy, and imagine how bad, for the Cathedral, it would be if they tried and failed. That would catapult him to even further heights.

Red says:

Off topic, but given the very successful viral advertising campaign for the Barbie movie, it reminded me of why I hate those dolls so much. Providing baby dolls for young girls to practice being a mother is one of the oldest practices of humanity. Hell give a human baby doll to young female chimp and they behave much the same way that young human girls do, by practice being a mother to the doll.

I grew up when little girls were still given baby dolls as toys but barbie was in the process or replacing them. Barbie dolls were designed to orientate little girls away from being mothers towards to being whores with careers, lots of material goods, random high status men and not create families. Today I see no little girls with baby dolls, even with Christian families. The expected ideal is little girls will grow up to be barbie whores.

Cloudswrest says:

Barbie? Hah! I remember walking through a Target ~30 years ago and literally doing a double take when I saw “Bratz Dolls” for the first time. Overt whore caricatures!!!!! Even more shocking, they turned out to be very popular!

Western Taliban says:

your memory is failing you, Bratz Dolls did not exist 30 years ago. Perhaps it was something else?

ten says:

They were new when girls my age stopped playing with dolls. 25 years ago. Close enough.

Cloudswrest says:

Looking them up on La Wik, they debuted 22 years ago. So that’s close enough.

ErowidHitler says:

Entirely off topic –

I trust the denizens of this blog more than most anywhere else online which is why I ask here.

I’m moderately intelligent but owing to a variety of maladaptations have never gone about learning anything in an active sense – I realise the necessity of now doing so my youth is fading and am liable to end up an unnecessary failure.

Would like to become worthy and useful – financially supersufficent. how do you go about learning and then stick to it.

I hope to die in having helped or in helping establish new lacaedaemonia but no reason to not make some money first.

Fidelis says:

I’ve been in your shoes. You already have a focus, a vision to realize, which is the necessary precondition to all of this.

Three words: Perceive. Decide. Act.

You percieve the problem, you have intimate knowledge of your habits and mindspace, enough to decide on potential solutions. Now you take steps you decide on.

Aidan says:

Most people say “learn to code”. If you had the brain of an engineer, you could not help but engineer things, and you would already be one in some respect. Good engineers I know spend their free time building things; it is fun and even an obsession to them.

Many smart men are designed by nature to be “renaissance men” and be broadly capable in a diverse array of skills, but the modern world does not reward this, so many such men appear unpromising. Specialization is for insects, but we live in bugworld. My advice is to find an empty makework email job to make your fake dollars, if you cannot find a way to productively add value. I managed to find a position where broad but relatively shallow knowledge in a certain field combined with raw deductive power lets me do well and do something actually productive.

I don’t stan “the trades” as much as some guys do, but if you go for them, find something that resembles an apprenticeship as much as possible, find a master who runs a small company and sees promise in you. Most of the best tradesmen run small operations, because they hate the red tape and regulations that come with running a big one, and double hate seeing a team of illiterate spics doing slapdash work under their names.

Pax Imperialis says:

Adding on to Aidan,

find something that resembles an apprenticeship as much as possible

Wielding is a good one. Gunsmith was a good one but is increasingly dangerous. Lots of stuff that requires CNC machine operation is also good.

Avoid trucking, you’ll be on your own with little opportunity for family life. Same goes for oil.

>My advice is to find an empty makework email job to make your fake dollars

Many places in America/the West, that’s likely a civilian government job. Best to keep one’s head down in that case. It’s also soul sucking boring. If you can get into private sector recruiting, it pays ~60,000 base plus commissions. Some guys bring in 200,000 per year. Best done in cities like Austin, Huston, Phoenix, Miami. Lots of growth there and low cost of living compared to say LA.

someDude says:

“Most of the best tradesmen run small operations, because they hate the red tape and regulations that come with running a big one, and double hate seeing a team of illiterate spics doing slapdash work under their names.”

Word! I know one with explicitly this viewpoint. Makes a good living. Takes on contracts that require actual brains rather than follow a procedure. Hired a fcouple smart young guys to help. Refuses to expand by hiring midwits to take up midwit level repetitive work just so that he does not have to deal with govt bureaucracies.

Western Taliban says:

> financially supersufficent

Shortest and most effective route to this is sales. Sales is a top three or even top two most valuable skill for money making and always in great demand. The only other two possibly better at this are banking/finance or logistics/organization (i.e. start your own business and make it big), but even these two skills are often dependent on sales, especially the second one, a CEO that can’t sell is garbage. The main problem with those two is that they have a huge barrier entry, especially banking and finance, while also being just about the most difficult skills to execute successfully.

Sales requires nothing special except your own skill, there’s no barrier entry but the ability to do it successfully to some small degree. Since there is no real investment and no excessive requirement you can develop it at your own pace, as long as you are selling enough to eat of course, and comfortably scale. You can just about walk into any business and sell for commission if you are a decent salesman. You can sell complete worthless trash or you can sell Teslas and help Elon Musk reach Mars, it can be as useless or as meaningful as you want it to be, and you’ll always be valued no matter where you go. If you are good you can become 0.1% top earner in society overnight, it almost is “magical”, except you’ll need to learn how to sell for the “magic” to happen of course, so it’s not magic at all because it doesn’t come easy.

In the process of selling stuff to people you also learn a lot about the psychology of people, about life, about different sectors, develop a great network, learn to hold frame and be charismatic, persuade people, communication skills, etc., it’s just all around one of the best things you can ever learn.

Western Taliban says:

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Anonymous Fake says:

Sales is low status and even if you’re charismatic as hell (and you probably are) you won’t get any women to respect you [*deleted*]

jim says:

Observed female behaviour is that salesmen wade through lots of pussy. Chick forebrains may have absorbed the progressive status hierarchy, but their pussys react to signals of status considerably more ancient. Signaling that stuff is part of the expertise of a successful salesman.

By an interesting coincidence, smart, or evenly moderately competent, people in “low status” positions make enormously more money than you do, you having the high status lawyering (priesting) type degree that does not earn you enough to live in a tiny little box in a big city. Which is why you now have a job shilling. Which probably gets considerably better pay, but does not grant you any status at all.

The ultimate in high status professions being legacy media journalist, who are apt to wind up sleeping on their friend’s couches, because they are paid with the smell of an oil rag.

Kunning Drueger says:

of the overwhelming amount of progressive priestly tripe you post, this has to be the biggest indicator/ red flag. I typically hate the sales guys, but that’s because they make so much money for so little work with the least amount of oversight and, in the case of the females and the gays, always make my job harder because they sell something we do not have or cannot deliver, leaving me holding the bag to explain why operations are the way they are. That being said, the sales guys that are good, the 20 of the 80, are absolute Chads, for all the reasons I said I didn’t like. anyone that has a real job outside of academia knows this, they know that 20% of sales is the business, and 80% of sales are dead weight. I’m guessing you are an associate professor at a public university.

Anonymous Fake says:

Salesmen are bridge builders. Managers are ladder climbers. [*usual wagon load deleted yet again*]

jim says:

> Salesmen are bridge builders. Managers are ladder climbers

Managers live in terror of HR, and fear of legal and accounting. The corporation is losing its cohesion under the impact of ever growing tentacles of the state inserted into corporation.

It is a long slow climb into management, and in the course of climmbing that ladder, one has to give up one’s balls. If a smart, competent, industrious man wants to use his talents to make some money, sales is a quicker route with less personal cost. And because management requires you to give up your balls to Human Resources for safekeeping, managers get very little pussy.

Anonymous Fake says:

Politicians talk to corporate management all the time, never to salesmen. [*deleted*]

jim says:

We have the Clinton emails. They are shakedowns. Does it look as if corporate management has power?

Anonymous Fake says:

Corporate management aggressively promoted sodomy because [*deleted*]

jim says:

Obviously not why they promoted sodomy.

Sodomites tend to turn up for work drunk, stoned, late, and infrequently, as Milo jokes.

Also, if in a position of trust, will plot against you with other sodomites while naked in a great big pile.

Western Taliban says:

When you say these things you let us all know too obviously that you are indeed a Cathedral creature after their own heart.

You, like them, absolutely hate Trump. But Americans love Trump, have always loved Trump, they chose him to be president twice in a row (second time he was robbed) and the man swims and has always swam in pussy.

What’s his favorite thing to say? “I make great deals”.

You can salesman your way to a fucking presidency, look at that.

someDude says:

Off topic, but vegetarianism is also a schelling point in India. If not for this, everything in India will be halal certified in no time. Thats why Hindus simply can’t eat Beef. Religion is the one force that scares the state.

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/India/what-is-halal-tea-high-drama-on-vande-bharat-train-as-staff-angry-passenger-spar-video/ar-AA1eeb1W?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=61d74b20f91946d9bed9933056396fc5&ei=23

I understand that this schelling point is useless against the Cathedral. We just have to make use of other schelling points against them. Horses for courses

dharmicreality says:

We are in the unenviable position of imminent threat from both the desert cult and the Cathedral. Though the desert cultists are the nearer foe at the moment, we cannot afford to take our eyes away from the Cathedral either.

Blue pilled Hindutva has been doing a decent job battling against the desert cult, but is rather ill-equipped memetically to handle Globohomo. We must hope that our Dharmic right memes spread faster.

Fidelis says:

The buddhists next door don’t have this issue. The christians embedded all over the middle east don’t have this issue. I am not sure why you are attached to this as a shelling point. You’ll probably end up only chicken eating instead, or worse full vegan nonsense.

someDude says:

The Buddhists next door have a Muslim population that is 4% and is not a democracy with an operational coalition of the fringes that muslims can join

The Christians in the middle east are all disappearing at a rather alarming rate.

We won’t go Vegan any time soon. The country is too poor for those sort of Food fads.

The majority of Chicken or goat eating Hindus are eating Halal unless like Sikhs and some Hindu sects they have their own religious meat preparation rules such as Jhatka, which has been explicitly constructed as a schelling point in the sense that something can never simultaneously be Halal and Jhatka.

Fidelis says:

>not a democracy
Hinting at the real issue.

>disappearing at an alarming rate
Because of the same prideflag enemy, survived well enough in rather hostile states for over a millennium. Not ideal, and well persecuted, but they were and are far far more outmanned than you will be for another several hundred years.

>We won’t go Vegan any time soon. The country is too poor for those sort of Food fads.
Poor peasants are not important. You need to worry about the upper class. They will spiral onto veganism and the cthonic devouring mother.

>Jhatka
Distinction without much difference, but this is a far more useful coordination point than the starting post made inference to. ‘Vegatarian hindu’ is not a named relgious food preparation rite in the same way.

All this to say I see this as bikeshedding. Wasting energy on focal points thst are trivial compared to the fact you have a ‘coalition of the fringes’ to deal with physically. Europe doesnt have a problem with halal butchers, it has a problem with an imported hostile population supported by an overseeing hostile class. The subcontinent has no issue with halal foods, it has an issue with a native hostile population being supported by a native and foreign supported hostile class. Food preparation is such a trivial thing to put some memetic locus on in comparison.

Sher Singh says:

https://swarajyamag.com/politics/how-islam-uses-halal-industry-to-wage-economic-jihad

https://swarajyamag.com/politics/halal-spread-due-to-our-mental-slavery-it-will-end-with-our-financial-slavery-swarajya-interviews-jhatka-certification-authority-chief

Um, no because halal is a moving goalpost – it eventually leads to food was never be in contact with non-muslim.

Anyway, religions is real & let people be religious. You get excommunicated for consuming halal – 100% of Hindus & Sikhs in North India say you are no longer one of them after eating beef.

More than 2/3rds want to stop inter-caste marriages.

Found this interesting:

nitter.net/dharma__vijay/status/1621900128444645377?s=20

The actual Caste hierarchy in India:

Ashraf Muslims
↓
Christian clergy/rich Christians
↓
Creamy layer Dalits
↓
Pasmanda Muslims
↓
Sikhs
↓
OBC Hindus
↓
UC Hindus (minus Brahmins)
↓
Brahmins

ਅਕਾਲ

someDude says:

Not disagreeing with you at all

Death to Democracy. Certainly that is the main problem. One day it will end, but we need to survive until that one day arrives.

The issue with Jhatka is that a very small portion of civilizationally aware Hindus do it. If all meat eating Hindus went with Jhatka, there would be no issue.

It’s North India which is mainly vegetarian and it is north India where most muslims are. To me, it is not at all far fetched to imagine that vegetarianism might well have evolved as a working schelling point against Muslims in a way that Jhatka meat could not.

While Halal is not the main issue as you rightly point out, it being a symptom, I would not call it trivial. It is a pivot via which we can convince some of the Elite to Back Hindus by assuring them Hindus are a force that are waiting for a leader to rally around.

Sher Singh says:

Fk convincing elites – we’ll become them.

You’re correct on the veggie to countersignal Muslims.
Indian peasants were never veggie till like 1700s.
Introduction of potato also drove it – was simply not possible b4.

@Jim Of course, partition happened due to Jhatka v Halal.
ਸਿੰਘ were more or less fine joining Pakistan to avoid partitition.

Sikh Jhatka is a rebellion against Mughal authority & Islam.
Aurangzeb had decree’d that any who eat Halal are Muslim.

That only Halal would be allowed in Mughal Raj.
That as the Kalma or Shahada is read over the meat, consumption is a recognition of Islam.

That we will not forcefully convert, but a Muslim cannot apostate. Practice of Dharma is apostasy from Islam & subject to death under Shariat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6QyTxVVmvk

Proper Nihang Singh DO NOT eat any meat from a bazaar.
Only meat that’s been killed among them.
—–

As far as promoting Jhatka in modern India one needs to strike a delicate balance. For Sikhs it’s not difficult as eating Halal is grounds for excommunication.

Some of the problems are as follows:

1. Sikh women were veiled till the 90s. The same cults which are pushing vegetarianism among Sikhs are also against the veil. The tfr only fell below replacement after unveiling.

2. Alongside, those “Sikh” cults which are vegetarian are sincere Hindus who also are. For both of them, eating meat is akin to apostasy.

3. Muslims definitely have a monopoly on meat processing & this is India – there’s no free market – your shop or stall/home/family will be burnt by competitors if you try to enter a new market alone

4. Meat/Alcohol is associated with despondency, hedonism, apostasy in Brahmanical culture. Our Hindu friends are completely correct that FOR NOW it may be better to let the mass remain vegetarian.

Why? We simply don’t have the religious infrastructure to absorb & guide that many people memetically – the mass. Sikh groups like Nihang Singhs (more or less one now too) are growing, and have a proper & disciplined way to encourage meat eating as part of a religious practice.

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Sher Singh says:

He’s right – without a religiously approved meat source like Sikhs or Shaktas the default position becomes veggie or meat.

Beef from the cow is not even up for discussion – you’ll get lynched lol.
From buffalo Idk, perceptions are changing as the Dalit issue overshadows the Muslim one.

nitter.net/curiosweetie/status/1683106121857519616

Good thread on which sectors muslims dominate – I’d joke & say this is hindus sending dowry – but snickers.

ਅਕਾਲ

jim says:

Law of manu has rules for killing animals. Pretty sure it would not be hard to come up with an interpretation that ensures the meat cannot be halal, and some hindus have done exactly that.

Sher Singh says:

Na, expand Jhatka Board (Sikh Khatri & Amul Milk (Sikh Khatri)
Hindus have no problems eating from Sikh hands.

Like I said – the recent floods & problems in the NE = reset.
Mass religion will follow commercial avail in this case.

We must win first then we establish Dharma.
This has always been the way from Raja Sudas of the Bharatas.

There’s enough Hindus now who are Hinduvta but unhappy with BJP that they see eye-eye with ਸਿੰਘ now.

*Advice on tactics that I think highly unlikely to be helpful deleted*]

someDude says:

Halal is a new phenomenon in the west, so I do not expect Christians to have meat preparation rules that explicitly rule out Kosher and Halal.

But do you believe this is something the Occident should look at or is it small potatoes as Fidelis asserts? Taleb feels that in the absence of anything like that, the entire west will end up eating Halal.

Sher Singh says:

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Sher Singh says:

[*absurd bombast deleted*]

Anonymous says:

The problem with Halal is that it is an animal sacrifice to the evil demon they worship. Even When a Hindu eats chicken or goat, the sacrifice is made to the demon, and it gets stronger.
That’s the actual reason to oppose halal.
We must offer the sacrifice to [*a deity that sufficiently resembles globohomo deities*]

Monero and Bitcoin Suck says:

[*crypto currency FUD deleted*]
Does anyone here want to do a real privacy coin,
[*deleted*]

jim says:

The big problem with crypto privacy coins has always been scaling. They have scaled considerably worse than Bitcoin, and bitcoin’s scaling is insufficient to take over the world.

The solution to both scaling and privacy is recursive snarks (implemented to in true potential, not implemented in the crippled way that ethereum is implementing them to preserve central control) With snarks and starks, we do not need to reveal the transaction inputs.

A snark proves that hash represents data with certain properties, without revealing the data. A snark proves that someone knows a bunch of bits with certain properties, and the property might be that they are bits representing a valid transaction that gives rise to an unspent transaction output. With recursive snarks, the property can be that the inputs to the transaction were valid, and their inputs were valid, all the way back, without anyone needing to remember and evaluate all the transactions all the way back.

That solves scaling. That no one except the parties need to know the inputs to a transaction or the value of an output provides privacy.

Since this technology has become available, every smart guy, myself among them, has been working on a true privacy coin, a coin that is both scalable to far beyond bitcoin, far beyond visa, and completely private. An avalanche is coming, and I fear I will be late to the party.’

I am going to promote this reply into a post, laying out an outline for the design, which I have not seen laid out yet, though quite likely by now it has been somewhere.

Fidelis says:

At some point can you please outline how you plan to facilitate a ‘proof of uptime’ consensus that is resistant to capture and fracture? I see a lot of problems just naively implementing a consensus based on what filecoin has, and I don’t mind laying out my concerns if you think it’s prudent, but I want to see if you already foresaw and addressed these before wasting screen-space on it.

Mister Grumpus says:

Bravo. This is real progress, both in terms of concept, and also the humility to not need to “own” it. Kick starting whatever sharper and hungrier young guys might be out there, for whom a little conceptual “push” like this in the right direction might be all they really need.

Unfair and Hypocritical says:

To not let us see his post, while claiming the sole authority to reply to it… is unfair and hypocritical. [*deleted*]..

jim says:

Posts on crypto currency will not be allowed unless you show some faint knowledge of what you are talking about. You crypto shills are flat earth tier. Should I allow flat earth arguments to be presented on this blog? They can never be rebutted because the flat earther, even if he was allowed to understand the reply, would not be capable of doing so.

All my posts on crypto currency are full of vigorous and informed criticism of Bitcoin, and often enough, Monero. That is what informed criticism looks like. It just goes completely over the heads of the people writing your scripts. You cannot engage with it or respond to it, because you have not the faintest comprehension of it. You guys sound like a flat earther explaining perspective.

Chad Boomer says:

This morning I went to Golds Gym where I spent 20 minutes on the stair master because it works most of the lower body; glutes, quades, etc… Then after a brief stretch, I proceeded to the free-weights where I did 5 sets of 10, 315# squats; then 5 sets of 10, 225# bench press, then the same with deadlifts, followed by 20 minutes in the steam-room where I saw a faggot that looked like Kunning Druger eyeballing at my ass, so when no one was looking I choked him unconscious, then took my limo uptown to the office. I’m working for Goldman Sachs today billing $400 an hour on a merger contract. My $20K Rolex has stopped so I toss it in the trash and plan to pick up a new one later today.

Carte Blanche says:

This is starting to look more like a DoS/forum-sliding attack than a few unorganized shills. Why is this post attracting such an enormous volume of shit, from what must be less than four or five individuals who won’t go away and yet clearly aren’t interested in anyone’s replies to them?

Not sure if WordPress has shadowbans, but this is exactly why the concept exists. Their goal isn’t incitement, or even lulz, it’s simply to destroy trust and generate a huge amount of noise so that everyone is annoyed/on guard and the comments are no longer useful to anyone.

Kunning Druegger says:

Imagine going to a Gold’s Gym and thinking that’s aristocratic.

Pax Imperialis says:

How does it feel being a part Alex Soros’s gay sexual fantasy.

Kunning Drueger says:

I have too many alpha widows and Eskimo brothers for that to really bother me. 😎

someDude says:

He imagines he is trolling us.

jim says:

Chad, you have ceased to be entertaining. You are now going away.

Aidan says:

Note the lack of familiarity with exercise. No self-respecting right wing bodybuilder would touch a stairmaster, let alone before doing heavy sets of squats lol

Pax Imperialis says:

In theory a stairmaster would be great for high intensity training, but easier and more intense to find a set of stairs and sprint up them. Don’t even need a gym.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Occasional anecdotes in cultural observation

~

https://archive.li/Vx7c0

“Where is the resistance?” is the common refrain on many lips, both normiecon mugged by reality, and commissars on the lookout for the former.

And the answer is: hounded, scattered, isolated, smoked out, running for their lives.

It is uncommon for collapsing organizations to have internally sourced restorations, and the reason generally speaking is that it is easy to survive organizational collapse if you can prevent everyone else from organizing too; and indeed, one is generally a corollary of the other.

No social circle is too trivial to be converged by assets; no namefag too obscure to be leaned on if they so much as get in smelling distance of anything that could lead to status, power, assabiyah.

Groveling will of course not save you anyways in any case. Note how no amount of abnegation after the fact saves any of these poor saps from deplatformation regardless. Note also the hilarity of a ‘Charlemagne Institute’ that ‘believes’ in ‘saving western civilization’; and by western civilization they mean ‘western values’; and by ‘western values’ they mean destroying western civilization.

the slightest hint of headwinds from even the least of preaching class acolytes will provoke a flurry of caesarean obsequiousness. Zero memetic sovereignty, because zero mercantile sovereignty, because zero military sovereignty, because zero memetic sovereignty. They all sense, in the back of their minds, that if push came to shove, Power would not come down on their side.

Episodes like this, more than anything else, illustrate just how much of a difference forms of social infrastructure not Pwnable by the incumbent theocracy can make. Restorations happening require organization happening; and a real (in the classic sense of ‘valuable’) cypherpunk X application coming out yesterday is something that can go a long way to squaring that circle.

Kunning Druegger says:

Here are some tidbits from the Wikipedia page (https://archive.ph/EUYj0) for Nayib Bukele, the president of El Salvador (this is a hilarious instance of tone deaf Cathedralites listing the strengths because they can only see them as weaknesses):

– After nearly 80 people were killed by criminals during a single weekend in March 2022, Bukele’s government has since arrested over 71,000 people with alleged gang affiliations, leading to accusations of human rights violations being committed by El Salvador’s security forces. However, Bukele’s crackdown on gangs was credited as effectively “decimating” them, resulting in a nearly 60 percent decrease in homicides in 2022.

– Bukele has maintained high approval ratings among Salvadorans throughout his tenure,[5][6] but has been accused of governing in an authoritarian manner.[7][8][9] In February 2020, Bukele was criticized by the opposition for sending soldiers into the Legislative Assembly to encourage the passage of a bill that would fund additional purchases of equipment for the police and armed forces.

– In May 2021, he led a move to fire the attorney general and five supreme court judges of El Salvador, which the United States Department of State and Organization of American States (OAS) denounced as democratic backsliding.[11] Following the approval of bitcoin as legal tender in El Salvador in September 2021, protests against Bukele’s government took place. His announcement that he would run for reelection in 2024 led to criticism by constitutional law experts and organizations that presidential reelection violated the country’s constitution.

– Nayib Armando Bukele Ortez was born on 24 July 1981 in San Salvador.[13] He is a son of Armando Bukele Kattán and Olga Ortez de Bukele.[13][14] According to The Times of Israel, Bukele’s paternal grandparents were Palestinian Christians from Jerusalem and Bethlehem while his maternal grandmother was Catholic and his maternal grandfather was Greek Orthodox.[15] His father later converted to Islam and became an imam.

– During his mayorship, he provided all adults of Nuevo Cuscatlán over the age of 55 a monthly basket to cover basic nutritional needs.[13] Before Bukele took office, Nuevo Cuscatlán had around 12 homicides per year, but during his three-year term, only one homicide was reported.

– Upon taking office, Bukele reverted the names of two streets in San Salvador: Calle Mayor Roberto D’Aubuisson to Calle San Antonio Abad A La Vía and Boulevard Coronel José Arturo Castellanos to Boulevard Venezuela.[25] Both names were changed by his predecessor, Norman Quijano, during his term, the former being named after Major Roberto D’Aubuisson, who ordered the assassination of Archbishop Óscar Romero in 1980 during the Salvadoran Civil War and founded ARENA in 1981, and the latter being named after Colonel José Castellanos Contreras, who saved 40,000 Jews from the Holocaust in Central Europe by providing them fake Salvadoran passports.[25][26][27] Bukele began his “revitalization” of San Salvador with the relocation of street sellers, a change which was positively received by the public and the media.

– On 10 October 2017, Bukele was expelled from the FMLN, accused by the FMLN Ethics Tribunal of promoting internal division within the party, verbally and physically attacking fellow party member Xóchitl Marchelli, performing defamatory acts against the political party, and heavily attacking and criticizing incumbent FMLN President Salvador Sánchez Cerén. Bukele did not attend the hearing scheduled for 7 October 2017 by the FMLN Ethics Tribunal, arguing that they were biased in favor of the plaintiffs. The FMLN lost 20 municipalities and 8 seats in the Legislative Assembly in the subsequent 2018 legislative election. Some political experts have speculated that the losses were in part due to the expulsion of Bukele from the FMLN.

– Bukele’s Nuevas Ideas won a majority of the seats in the Legislative Assembly in the 2021 legislative elections, and on 1 May 2021, Nuevas Ideas made a coalition with three other political parties, gaining control of two thirds of the legislature. On the same day, the Legislative Assembly voted to remove the five justices of the Supreme Court’s constitutional court and Raúl Melara, El Salvador’s attorney general.[56] The event has been condemned as a self-coup by opposition politicians, accusing Bukele and Nuevas Ideas of committing a power grab.

– Despite being described as an autocrat, a caudillo, an authoritarian, and a strongman, and despite proclaiming himself as the “Dictator of El Salvador”, the “coolest dictator in the world”, and the “Emperor of El Salvador”, by way of irony by the accusations, Bukele has retained a high approval rating throughout his presidency, making him the most popular president in Salvadoran history. He is considered by some journalists to be one of the most domestically popular world leaders and heads of state due to his approval ratings hovering around 87 percent.

I am actually impressed with how expansive and positive the whole page is, and I bet it gets heavily edited if/when Bukelism takes off in Honduras and elsewhere. The positives here are obvious, but the negatives are daunting: El Salvador had to suffer for 3 decades before they were able to tolerate an autocrat. There’s no guarantee it will be the same in North America, but there’s also no guarantee it won’t take far longer/be much worse either. Bukele was able to coordinate to a level that he moved through the 2 major parties, took who he wanted, then abandoned them and caused great damage to them by confounding their criticism. The Left Wing party that kicked him out basically ceased to exist after the next election.

Nothing about Bukele’s journey refutes Elite Theory or Canonical Jimianism. He is clearly an elite, an aristocrat, and he is a merchant that has successfully become a priest. One needs a thorough command of Spanish, but digging into local info sources, I suspect one would find a brain trust of warriors, priests, and merchants, all submitted to the Monarch. This is the sanctified configuration, the Way It Should Be, and requires cooperation, coordination, resources, and time. The Cathedral controls all 4 of those things to varying degrees, and to defeat that control, tools and techniques are required.

Dr. Faust says:

Anyone see the eyeball coin launch? AI Jew is going to pay everyone UBI with it apparently whether they like it or not. Full scale cathedral rollout of eyeball coin across all known media.

Also:

Russian-Ukraine war is winding down. Total victory for Russia. USA and Ukr look pathetic. Biden’s foreign policy will be used for decades as something to avoid. All the noise surrounding his other policies can be ignored but isolating the US and EU from the rest of the world will last much longer than him. There’s no denying the explosion porn videos were legit and that Ukraine got pummeled completely. Cheap drones destroyed billions in equipment and thousands of lives. The war will end within a few months or complete escalation to WW3. I’m guessing the blue tribe will stumble blindly into WW3.

jim says:

The Cathedral wanted to get to the Azov sea to cut Russia off from Turkey, Syria, and the Mediterranean. If they cut the land bridge, they figured they could cut the sea bridge, and then Crimea would fall. Shortly followed by Syria. Airsea war is likely, now that victory in Ukraine is out of reach.

At present the Cathedral is having difficulty coming to terms with the fact that the offensive was a catastrophe – they have nowhere gotten a significant distance through the buffer zone to reach the first strong defense line. Their biggest advance was towards the Azov sea in the direction of cutting the Russians in the west off, where they from time to time sit around in a killing field, now named “Bradley Square” because of all the wrecked Bradleys in it, about half way through the buffer zone to the first line of defense, of three lines. Around Bakhmut, they are about a fifth of the way through the buffer zone. Elsewhere it is the same, or they have been pushed far from the buffer zone. It is not exactly world war I, because of defense in depth, but the net effect is similar.

Pushing on Backhmut would make sense if they had any chance of reaching the line of defense because there is only one line of defense there, but it is a long way away, and while you are pushing through to it, you are getting shelled by artillery ensconced in the ruins of Bakhmut. Bakhmut is a very strong point in the buffer zone in front of that line of defense, and trying to get through that buffer zone leads to enormous casualties.

They are likely to pursue the objective of cutting Russia off from Syria in another way, forgetting about Ukraine.

Kunning Drueger says:

If Jim’s analysis is correct, and I think I agree 100%, we should expect Iran to become the new evil adversary that must be defeated through rainbow power. The competing tanker seizures have been blipping up in the news, and I wonder if the GAE has the ability to pivot into that. honestly, if they had any brains at all, they would have ignored Ukraine entirely and focused on Iran. not that they would have been successful there either, for all the reasons they are failing in Ukraine, but it plays more to the strengths of a thalassocracy, least in terms of the battlefield.

Pax Imperialis says:

It would be pure insanity. Iran has already demonstrated they can hit Saudi oil facilities and US Mil is on record of saying it would require nukes to keep the Strait of Hormuz open in the event of a full shooting war. Who would even be the boots on the ground? The Saudis? Are they going to drive a huge armor convoy through Kuwait and Iraq into Iran? On extremely flat desert terrain under constant drone surveillance and missile barrage only to immediately come up against mountainous Iranian entrenched positions?

Fuck no, if Ukraine was hopium on meth, Iran is copium on sufentanil.

Calvin says:

Iran has the significant pluses (from the US perspective) of having no nukes and not much of an airforce. Sufficiently ruthless campaigns of infrastructure bombing could probably neuter any real offensive capability they have. Of course, I doubt the USAF is up for that any more but it’d sure be easier than Russia.

Western Taliban says:

The only reason why Iran has no nukes is because their high priest, despite all the GAE propaganda that Muslims are crazy and deranged, is extremely sober on the matter and is against having recreational McNukes. Iran actually could have nukes in no time, if you give them an excuse that makes it reasonable for any sane person to have nukes they’ll build them quicker than the US can even imagine.

People need to start waking up and realize that this is not the 20th century, the “backwards” people are not “backwards” at all anymore. Our rulers insist they are “backwards” because they aren’t gay and feminist, we know better. It is in fact the West that is increasingly fallen into barbarism and it’s only going to get worse.

Calvin says:

Muslims are deranged and crazy, that’s not GAE propaganda, that’s just a well-known phenomenon that’s been reported by every Christian, Hindu, Zoroastrian, and communist culture that’s ever had the misfortune to have contact with them since Mohammad started robbing his first caravans. ISIS is the logical conclusion of Islam, as demonstrated by how many flocked from across the world to join them. That fact is also supported by the fact that the GAE says exactly the opposite about Islam.

What, if anything, that says about Iran’s technical capabilities I have no idea. Persians are historically a pretty advanced people but otoh the mind-stunting effects of centuries of cousin fucking combined with killing anyone intelligent enough to see through Mohammad’s con job can’t be underestimated. If anything I would expect the Russians to lend them a hand out of spite.

someDude says:

Communist culture?

If there is one group that has shown itself more barbaric, insane, unhinged and deranged than the Mohammedans, it is the communists.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Muslims are not especially dangerous if you know how to deal with them. China and Burma have been genociding Muslims for years without breaking a sweat or being sanctioned by Muslim countries. When Rohingya refugees flee into Bangladesh, the Bangladeshis inject them with contraceptives.

The Muslim talent for breeding like flies creates havoc in liberal democratic welfare states. Not a problem in undemocratic police states, where trouble-makers are quietly eliminated.

someDude says:

What the Chinese and Burmese are doing to Muslims, I would not call it genocide. I would just call it keeping them under control. They just dispose off the trouble makers as a message to the rest who promptly fall in line. A genocide is when there is an actual drop in the percentage of the population of Mohammedans.

The last time this happened was during the Dungan Jihad , where the Muslim population as a percentage of the total population of China actually dropped quite a bit. That was a genocide. What China and Burma are doing now can hardly be called a genocide.

Calvin says:

If there is one group that has shown itself more barbaric, insane, unhinged and deranged than the Mohammedans, it is the communists.

From what I’ve seen of the Central Asian stans that were formerly Soviet vs their Islamic neighbors who weren’t, the Muslim world seems like the one place in the world where the application of communism wrought a genuine improvement.

Kunning Drueger says:

@Calvin
can you qualify your assertion with some evidence? I don’t believe communism has ever been positive or productive. reality, it is merely a case of external patrons propping up communist governments. we see this in Russia with the American socialists and communists making that regime viable And it is the same elsewhere. so I contend that the communism of the -stans was propped up externally. but that is mostly a gut response based on cursory knowledge, and I am fine admitting it if I am wrong, If that is in fact the case

Calvin says:

I look at places like Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, or even those weirdos in Turkmenistan (true story, the current president got the job by being the last one’s dentist) and compare them to Afghanistan on their borders or Pakistan to the south of that and it’s pretty easy to say where I would rather live if I had to pick.

Kunning Drueger says:

okay, that idea of a gut check impulse makes sense to me. personally, I think that the -stans are uniquely suited to dominate the latter half of the 21st century after the current great powers implode and expend all of their wealth on the great GAE War. I think they have a much better chance of correctly answering the WQ, And this is not just because of Islam, though that does play a part. I think these people’s are inherently more war-like than either the Occident or the Orient, though they are markedly less sophisticated about it. I know this probably seems bonkers, but I think there will be a Neo Mongol empire that springs into being.

regardless, I I do think Muslim theocracies are better than any form of communism, though demonstrably inferior to Occidental monarchical forms.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Just as a point of order, Afghanistan today is just as much a product of the hands of gommunism coming down on it as they did the other stans in central asia; only difference is, they regained their sovereignty in the end.

dave says:

In any big fight against Iran, Israel would be our natural proxy. They dont like Iran, they have force projection capability in the area.

Not sure if Israel is willing to be a proxy, and whether SA would let them overfly into the straits.

And the administration is in a pissing contest with Bibi, so they may sit this one out.

Which means we might have to find another sucker to do the bombing or do it ourselves if we can (if we have any missiles left)

Kunning Drueger says:

I’ve never heard of a Jew fighting fair. I cannot imagine a Jewish State going to war with a near peer/peer in a standup fight. They might nuke them, or use an NBC panoply, but they can’t even fight Lebanon successfully. Just as the USM of 1991 is a memory only, so too is the plucky and seasoned IDF of ’67 and 73. The state of Israel has the same black dildo shoved up its metaphorical as as the US and EU. Look at the pattern: they potshot neighbors under GAE cover, then cry foul when they even look like they might hit back. An army with a bunch of faggots and kikettes in uniform is not fighting a war.

The current crop of powerful Jews is demonstrating their capacity to make war right now in Ukraine, and they do it with cat’s paws & propaganda. The metastisized AIPAC is largely responsible for Iraq 2 and GWoT.

Countries with gay pride parades can’t win wars, and it’s starting to look like they can’t even lose them in a traditional way.

jim says:

> Countries with gay pride parades can’t win wars, and it’s starting to look like they can’t even lose them in a traditional way.

I watched an almost unbearable video of elites talking to each other about resolution of the war in Ukraine. Their plan, in the event that military events go south, is total disciplined denial. They will simply march on behind the maximalist agenda – the return of Russian areas to Ukraine, reparations, and war crimes tribunals, as if nothing has happened. Only with NATO peacekeepers in Ukraine. If things go south, plan B is to pursue the maximialist agenda in smaller steps, and with Nato presence. Their idea of a peace agreement is Putin agreeing for Nato to make war on him without him making war on Nato. They figure they can just pursue a maximalist agenda forever, and the worst case outcome is that Russia occupies part of Ukraine while they get to pursue a maximalist agenda in what remains of Ukraine.

Which project is likely to turn into pursuing a maximalist agenda in what remains of Lithuania and Poland.

Mayflower Sperg says:

The Whigs don’t know how to lose a war because they haven’t lost one since the English Civil War, and even then they kept New England. The Vietnam War was an American defeat but by then the Whigs were on the Communist side.

Label the enemy Hitler and escalate until he surrenders unconditionally is Plan A, and there is no Plan B.

Contaminated NEET says:

>Not sure if Israel is willing to be a proxy

I’m sure they wouldn’t be. It’s America’s role to fight and die and spend for Israel, not the other way around. I doubt our leaders would have the effrontery even to ask Israel to join a war they dragged us into on Israel’s behalf. They didn’t in Gulf War I, nor the GWoT. Israel is a sovereign nation and it’s got to look out for its own interests, doncha know.

Kunning Drueger says:

>it would be pure insanity

[Kill Bill siren noise over Kamala Harris laughing]

Aidan says:

Not to nitpick, but WWI had defense in depth too, to a significant degree. It wasn’t too hard to take the first line of defenses, but the enemy would have firing tables for their own frontline positions ready to rock. One side would take a trench, and find that trench under accurate artillery fire from the second line of defense. The sophistication of artillery art in WWI was far beyond the level of intelligence and coordination used today, though today the artillery is much more accurate due to computers. The WWI guys with modern stuff would be massively outperforming today.

someDude says:

The long course of human evolution and the load imposed by the survival imperative means that humans will not change unless the alternative is demise. Once survival is assured even for a short time, the best strategy in that environment was to relax during that time so as to conserve energy so as to be better prepared to face the next unexpected threat that came up.

The advent of computers meant that you can perform at the same Level as earlier but with a much lower level of coordination and intelligence. Coordination and intelligence are after all tiring to maintain. Why maintain it at such mental cost? Just relax and conserve energy which will come useful when the next threat unexpectedly turns up.

Sher Singh says:

The long course of human evolution and the load imposed by the survival imperative means that humans will not change unless the alternative is demise. Once survival is assured even for a short time, the best strategy in that environment was to relax during that time so as to conserve energy so as to be better prepared to face the next unexpected threat that came up.

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dave says:

Massively outperforming IF they had enough shells.

https://nzhistory.govt.nz/media/interactive/creeping-barrage

Mayflower Sperg says:

The jews media says that Joe Biden won a free and fair election. They say that Covid vaccines are safe and effective. Why not say that Ukraine has routed the Russian army, regained its prewar territory, and overthrown the Putin regime?

Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

It is not enough that the American people are cowed by the GAE, but that the rest of the world is, too. They could pretend that Afghanistan did not matter because Afghanistan has no force projection. Russia can project force, so they actually need to beat them or Vladolf Putler is going to kill 7 billion jews and oppress the noble savage and suppress the beautiful, creative LGBTQ+2IA community.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Because securing your own country against LGBT is the same as abolishing LGBT worldwide? I mean, theoretically, if Putin restores white Christian patriarchy and gets Russia’s TFR back into the 4-5 range, Russia could conquer the world, but that would take centuries, long after the last faggot dies of incurable super-AIDS.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

>Because securing your own country against LGBT is the same as abolishing LGBT worldwide?

To the nominalist, yes.

There is no room for modulation inside the mind of the congenital solipsist. Neither time nor space exists. Being is a frictionless plane where all points intersect. Any ideal that it can ideate must be categorically imperative. An exception to the conceit anywhere damns it everywhere. None can be allowed to escape.

jim says:

The Global American Empire is falling due to decadence.

When Bronze age civilization fell, did take centuries, but they were not overwhelmed by one hostile government, but by a multitude of peoples that still had high fertility, either because they were Aryan’s who still had the old Aryan faith, or because they had something rather similar.

Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

Plainly? Yes. If the Russians become a White Christian patriarchy they will use their evil mind rays to make niggers commit vast amounts of violent crime, make women helpless and confine them to the kitchen, kill 8 trillion jews, and make all queer folx die of AIDS and m-pox. The only reason that we still have all these problems today is because of the legacy mind rays of the fascist right wing MAGAts. If the Russians add their mind rays to the mix, then the brave warrior women of Sub-Saharan Africa and the beautiful transwomen will be irreparably injured, the jews will be put in death camps and pogromed, and all of their true achievements will be stolen, again.

Kunning Drueger says:

Fuckin’ell that sounds awesome. May we strive to be what Chinese action movies and leftist faggots say we are.

embeveraged commuter says:

The media is doing much the same for Russia as they are for media. You’re mistaking their little retreats and memory holing of facts for an actual reversal of narrative.

Remember how vaccines were safe and effective,meaning they were better than natural immunity, and vaccine mandates were a crazy conspiracy theory. 1 year later vaccines offered maybe some symptom relief, and you were banned from having a job or buying food if you didn’t take it. They still said the vaccines were ‘safe and effective’ because that’s the non-disprovable part, and they still said mandates were a conspiracy because they weren’t dragging people out of their homes to inject them.

In the ukraine they always say the ukranians are winning. they started by saying Russia had made basically no progress, the ukranians were killing Russians like it was a star wars movie, and biden’s genius sanctions would cause Russian blm pride protests to overthrow Putin and elect Navalny. In a year they will say ukraine won because peter zeihan predicts Russian GDP to go down 50% over the next decade, and that nato still has military dominance because of some wunderwaffen that has never seen actual combat.

Chad Boomer says:

[*not funny*]

Sher Singh says:

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