Enormous move in bitcoin coming up

The good news is that in the not very distant future, everyone who matters is going to be using Bitcoin. The bad news is that if they will be using something resembling currently available software, they will still be net peons, not netizens.

Probably no dramatic price changes next week. Or next month. Maybe not next year. But we are on a big move up that will likely continue going up and up for a very long time.

The dollar is failing as a medium of international exchange.

Cannot do transactions internationally in fiat when the bankers are untrustworthy and untrusted. Cannot do international transactions in gold, because difficult and dangerous to move long distances.

Russia and others have been messing around trying to come up with fiat alternatives to the dollar. They just are not flying. The sovereign of country A agrees with the sovereign of country B for a deal that allows fiat transactions between A and B, and tells the bankers and bureaucrats to work out the details. But a deal that was actually workable would involve bureuacrats giving up power. So they work out a deal in which the bureaucrats of both A and B have complete power. Which means that in practice the merchant lacks the power to actually perform the transaction. You get a bunch of mysterious pieces of paper that are impossible fill out in a valid manner, your money disappears until you have met requirements that no one will explain to you because no one understands them, least of all the bureaucrats that created them, and your money gets frozen and eventually confiscated. So, increasingly, international transactions are getting done in bitcoin. Eventually bitcoin is going to replace to dollar as the medium of international exchange. Because sometimes, increasingly often, there is no useful alternative.

The US dollar is locked in place by Metcalf’s law. For it to fall, an alternative network must achieve critical mass. Bitcoin does not yet have critical mass but it is getting there. People are being forced into bitcoin because the international fiat money system is broken and getting more broken. Dollar dysfunction is likely to force a critical mass into existence. The more people using bitcoin for international transactions, the more useful it becomes for international transactions, which is likely to result eventually in a quite sudden transition.

This foreshadows a huge upmove in bitcoin. Also a huge attack to get state control through the dangerously concentrated miners.

Hodlers are generally betting on Wiemar style collapse of the US$ for everyday transactions, which is probably still some distance away. But a slow motion collapse of the dollar as medium for international exchange is happening right now.

For international transactions, the bitcoin blockchain suffices. The merchant sends you a public key he wants given value, usually over a highly insecure channel likely to leak information to all sorts of people who might want to rob you or just maliciously harm you. You transfer the requested amount of bitcoin to that key. Which should suffice because the transfer shows up on the bitcoin blockchain, which is a reliable broadcast channel, but the merchant frequently wants you to also send him a screen shot of the information that you just published on the bitcoin blockchain, after the transaction has gone through and received a reasonable number of confirmations, on the same insecure channel, because he wants the bitcoin transaction linked to rest of his highly insecure transaction metadata.

For everyday transactions, we need the lightning network. The cryptographically secure Nostr social network has recently been linked to the cryptographically secure lightning network, but the linkage is horribly insecure.

Nostr uses ssh style public private keypairs. Which is not good enough if there is money on the social network, plus people are used to wallet style public private keypairs derived from a master passphrase. People are used to doing it right, and SSH has forever been doing it wrong. And now Nostr is walking the footsteps of SSH. However, the one nostr client that integrates lightning wallet uses wallet style keys, and presumably eventually they all will.

Now if Nostr could be upgraded to use wallet style keypairs, and the linkage between lightning and nostr fixed up, and if lightning’s backup problem was fixed up, we would have a useful system for transactions. Unfortunately the people implementing the linkage were rightly aiming at user friendliness, mass usage, and getting it up in a hurry, and security got trodden under in the rush.

The linkage has now achieved critical mass, which is great, and may well soon show up on Twitter, which would be super duper great, but cleaning up the security mess is likely to be hard and will get harder the more the insecure system is adopted. Still, no one has incentive to do it right, until large numbers of people doing it wrong creates problems. And whatever is wrong with this system, it is a big improvement on what we have now. At present, you can only use nostr with certain peon wallets, though the underlying zap protocol is perfectly capable of supporting the real thing. Unfortunately the real thing is difficult, dangerous, and expensive to set up, which is why Nostr developers have not bothered with it yet.

If you use the standard easy to use lightning wallets, you are a peon. Someone else controls your money, knows what you are doing with it, is selling that information to all and sundry, and you are using your money by his permission. And some of the people buying that information do not like you very much. The real lightning wallets are Lnd and C-lightning. Which you really have to be a unix guru to use. And even if you are unix guru, you are likely to foul up and lose your money.

To use the money safely, you have to have a C-lightning wallet running on a dedicated always on machine, the wallet state has to be continuously backed up moment to moment to a nas running on another machine, (and the wallet is in the clear, and a nas is by its nature not very secure), and the ip address that the lightning network sees your machine at cannot be your home address, because then all manner of bad people know there is money at your home address, which can be physically taken by taking the machine running your lightning node. You are at risk of state authorities deciding that you must be doing something bad, taking your computer with your lightning bitcoin in it, and to get it back you have to prove you were not doing something bad, which is impossible to prove. Or random criminals may just take your computer.

So you want the transactions to go through the vpn, but you don’t want the backup to the Nas to go through the vpn. You don’t want the vpn blocking local network access.

Umbrel and Citadel use Lnd for the lightning network, and are designed for small cheap machines. Unfortunately Lnd is broken, because they never fixed the backup problem. It is only safe to run Lnd on a big expensive highly reliable machine, typically a nas, and not all that safe even on a big expensive highly reliable machine. It is impossible to backup wallet.db, because it is continually being written to, and if your machine dies, you probably have a broken copy of wallet.db. It can only be safely backed up when Lnd has done a clean shut down. And as soon as you start up lnd again, your backup is not only useless, but dangerous.

And wallet.db is where your money actually is.

channel.db is not a backup copy of your money. It is an overly clever and too complicated by half mechanism for recovering money lost in a computer crash, which might or might not work. Will likely recover some of your money. And after you have recovered some of your money, all your lightning channels, accrued reputation and connections are gone.

And if you are running it on a raspberry pi or something similar, you are likely running off an external drive attached to a usb port. And the port connection is going to start randomly failing from time to time sooner or later, probably within a few months. And boom, you have lost all your channels, and probably some of your money. Not to mention rasberries just keep dying.

C-lightning however uses the more reliable and crash resistant sqlite3 database format, and more importantly, allows dual sqlite3 databases. So you have your primary database on your local machine, and a backup with the same name in a different directory on a network drive in the basement on the other side of the house. The backup contains stealable money, and is in the clear, so probably not a good idea to put on the cloud, assuming sqlite will work reliably with a cloud drive, which I doubt.

A “successful” recovery on Lnd is painful, complicated, and no matter how clever and technically savvy you are, you will lose a great deal. A successful recovery of c-lightning will simply resume where it left off.

Lnd is experimenting with a database that is designed to run over the network, as part of their failure recovery strategy. But, last I looked, not yet ready for prime time. And the way Lnd is implemented makes it difficult to implement a reliable backup and restore facility.

What is really needed is a custom database that physically writes a new block on local and remote disks for every lightning transaction, and then from time time creates a packed copy of that data, and then, when the packed data verifies as correct frees up the blocks. Sounds like a big project. And you would want a social network with parity files so that each person kept a parity file (or parity data structure in sqlite) that would enable any one party to recover everything from his seed phrase the way you can with a normal bitcoin wallet. People expect to have a system where they can just download the software from the internet onto a new machine, type in their passphrase, and they get everything back. We know in principle how to accomplish this, but actually accomplishing it is hard.

At present what you need is a wireguard vpn server in the cloud, a dedicated computer on your local hard wired network running wallets, and another dedicated computer hard wired on your network acting as a nas. TerraMaster F4-210 is remarkably cheap nas that can store a lot of data, though you can go somewhat cheaper if you are only going to use the nas to backup your lightning wallet, and therefore do not care about big storage. You can also get a perfectly good fanless mini pc capable of running wallets for a whole lot less than a preconfigured umbrel or citadel strawberry.

To enable people without a pile of hardware on their local lan and good nix administration skills to operate a lightning wallet that is truly their own, and a monetized Nostr identity that is truly their own, without requiring them to do a whole lot work, and risk losing money if they mess up that work, requires a whole lot of software not yet written. We don’t have reasonably easy to use software that makes a man a netizen rather than a peon of big tech.

Demand is coming, while our software is still broken. And no end of people are happy to fill the gap with scam software and peon software. Bitcoin is about to hit the big time, and for international transactions it is good enough, but for lightning transactions, not yet ready, Nostr may well hit the big time, and our software is not ready. If you are on Nostr with a peon lightning wallet, still a peon.

1,586 comments Enormous move in bitcoin coming up

Fidelis says:

The stopgap solution is a 2-way pegged federation. This solves channel instability, individual hardware/server admin faults, increasing cost of channel management, and if the counterparty is within the same federation as you, can use federation broadcast space near-free. The cons are a weaker anonymity set, mitigated by not leaking bits when entering the federation ecosystem, higher latency on lightning settlements, and now you have to determine the reliability of the federation peers as there is a counterparty system on top of the bitcoin network.

Over time these federations get better as the anonymity set increases, more privacy tools get added, and tools to coordinate bitcoin-pegged state machines trustlessly get deployed. The substrate/polkadot and cosmos ecosystems have loads and loads of tools to reduce broadcast faults between soverign state machines, and in the substrate case tie together state machines into a single merkle root. The eth ecosystem is rapidly growing and deploying very fancy zk tools useful to scavenge and assist this process; providing much higher bandwidth and privacy.

So, stopgap solution, lots of small federations with high individual management costs, but still lower management costs than running lnd individually. Eventually these federations grow in size, each new node reducing the individual’s personal costs and making the feds lightning channels more useful as capital locked in the fed btc utxo set grows, and over time more stable channels are added. Sooner or later, tools to secure braodcast channels other than just lightning between these feds get deployed, and since they are pegged into btc anyway, you can tie the states together into a reference to a btc locked and ordered merkle root. That will happen first simply because the tools are already extant and working, just needs some quick patching.

Soon after this, the zk tools mature enough to apply. These increase bandwidth, because state can now be safely sharded, new ways of threshold signing accomplished, lots of little benefits, and they increase privacy, because users broadcast only hashed commitments of little state chunk transitions to local nodes, which get well mixed as they move up the tree recursively.

Karl says:

You present a convincing argument that a cryptocurrency will replace the dollar as a medium of international exchange. Why are you so confident that it will be bitcoin and not some other cryptocurrency?

The only reason I see for such confidence is the fact that bitcoin is in the process of replacing the dollar. Bitcoin has a large headstart on any competing cryptocurrency and will have an even larger headstart on any cryptocurrency not yet created. Once an alternative to the dollar is established, habit will protect that alternative to some degree as an alternative cryptocurrency would have to achieve a critical mass of users and transactions.

jim says:

> Why are you so confident that it will be bitcoin and not some other cryptocurrency?

…

> that bitcoin is in the process of replacing the dollar

As you say, it is happening now.

Because right now, when I buy something that would be difficult to buy using fiat, the merchant always asks for regular bitcoin.

Because right now there is a pile of excellent merchant bitcoin software:

BTCPay Server
One Time Address
CryptoWoo
BitcartCC
LnMe
SatSale
CypherpunkPay

Metcalf’s law. First mover gets it all. Bitcoin is the first mover, and is approaching critical mass. No one else is there yet.

Because of various horrible things that have become apparent with bitcoin, a new currency that fixes those things is likely. But that software is at present just a gleam in my eye. Right now what is happening on the ground is Bitcoin.

And I am even more horrified by how far Nostr falls short of my dreams. But Nostr is getting mass adoption right now. The obvious thing is Nostr in the payment space, integrating the transaction with the merchant metadata. But without a netizen lightning wallet that can be used by someone without expertise in linux administration and some special hardware on his home network, that is merely going to create huge profits for hodlers, without liberating the masses from tech peonage.

We need a lightning wallet that satisfactorily fixes the backup and restore problem, and is also a nostr server (relay) and client so that you can set up a new lightning channel without using an outside social net channel.

S says:

I thought the same way. Bitcoin can be copied at zero cost and you can make your own crypto- why can’t an established player do that?

If you are making you are making improvements to bitcoin, the best payoff is to buy bitcoin and then release the improvements; this is more certain then hoping people pick up your coin from all the chaff.

Now what about state level? I thought China was going to go ahead with this- after all, gaining control of the world’s reserve currency would be a massive win.

This didn’t happen. I think the problem is the founders, first adopters and miners get rich. If a civil service is making their own crypto suddenly you have talk of ‘fairness’ and ‘compensation’ and the like. Heck, if you lose your wallet, the money is gone- what government would release a crypto like that?

So in the end it never gets made. I could be wrong, but I think there isn’t any elite that is both virtuous and competent enough to pull that off. That’s horrifying in hindsight; normality bias is one hell of a drug.

jim says:

Fundamental problems with bitcoin:

* It relies on everyone verifying everything, which is about to hit its scaling limits.

* It relies on a sufficient number of people storing all transactions forever, which definitely has hit its scaling limits.

* It relies on proof of work for consensus, which has become concentrated in the hands of a small number of big immobile miners with expensive equipment, that the state can easily find.

Everyone verifying everything can be gracefully changed with sidechains that employ recursive snarks, and then the sidechains grow, eventually swallowing the mainchain.

Proof of work cannot be gracefully changed. Some people have to lose power and money, and other people have to gain it. It is going to be nasty and passionate.

The Cominator says:

Can it all be solved?

jim says:

It can, and will.

The solution to the scaling problem will be smooth, and it will still be Bitcoin, just bitcoin employing recursive snarks. Most people will scarcely notice the change.

The solution to the proof of work problem is likely to be chaotic, controversial, and disruptive.

It is likely to involve sovereign corporations, and some of those sovereign corporations will likely eventually be private military companies. Likely they will eventually be private military companies with space capability and nuclear capability.

The Cominator says:

Not sure?

Fidelis says:

How I Stopped Worrying and Learned to Love Miners

You cannot do anything with miner control except jam up the network. Mint out blocks with invalid transactions and clients can simply reject them. Well, jamming up the network indefinitely is going to be extremely expensive. You destroy the value of the network and you pay billions in energy and silicon to gain controlling share of the network youre attacking, and then… what exactly. Keep the chain from minting blocks indefinitely? Sanction your rivals? If you do the former, burning energy for nothing, a new hash algorithm with new asics will emerge, new ways of slipping in important txns, people will fork and ignore you until you give up. Sanctioning your rivals just destroys the power of the network you spent billions to gain control over, just as stupid as GAE stealing the 600 billion it did from Russia.

We have a very small window of opportunity for a state to meaningfully use network control as an attack, and that window is not yet upon us. When BTC becomes a reserve asset, and many rival states lean large parts of state function on it, and before recursive st/narks obfuscate which transactions are doing what, you have a window where you can jam the economic machine as a short term attack. Very small window, and very costly, but not so costly its foolish.

jim says:

There is one very very bad thing you can do with miner control. It so bad that I do not want to draw our enemies attention to it, so I am giving you a link instead of mentioning it directly.

Fidelis says:

If I understand the problem you point to, which you have pointed to frequently in the past, an attack levied on the Tutsi in a different time, it is functionally just a jamming attack. The actor model also excludes actors with incentives beyond mere immediate economic return, such as a rival nationstate finding their very important central bank transactions jammed up at an inopportune time. You need to have quite a bit of network dominance to drown out rivals in perpetuity, which reduces down to my earlier analysis: lots of cost, effectively a sanction at best, destroys network worth in order to carry it out indefinitely. So something like this has a small window. Expense grows rapidly, but causing chaos in an enemy’s financial system, as you perhaps cause chaos at other layers of the logistical stack, and perhaps carry out kinetic attacks when they find themselves on the backfoot, a short window attack, probably worth the trade.

And soon to be unreasonable, when no one can tell what transaction means what, except in local shards of the network; you could only jam the whole thing, at great cost.

jim says:

Not so.

The state can selectively jam only unapproved transactions with control of only one third of the mining capacity. They do not have to jam the whole thing in order to forbid transactions that they do not like (transactions whose inputs are insufficiently known, transparent to, and understood, by imperial oversight) unspendable.

Fidelis says:

only one third

This is assuming homo economicus behavior, not homo bellicus behavior. The value of the network is that it is not in the hands of any one party. Put it in someone’s hands, the network branches away from you, you find yourself holding the tail of the salamander that has escaped. So, model this out. GAE puts out a decree, OFAC BTC from now on, what happens. Everything as normal? No, day one all the uncaptured devs start discussing software solutions. Day one foreign exchanges start planning how to deal with the blow in price. Day one all the miners suddenly find themselves underwater as captial costs now vastly outweigh revenue.

Now, consider further that russia has significant hashpower of its own. GAE says OFAC blocks, russia says fuck off, orders its miners to be uneconomical. Need quite a huge dominance to effectively jam the network indefinitely with actors acting in more than short term economic pursuit.

Selectively censoring transactions is the bitcoin network equivalent of stealing the 600 billion from Russia. You may get to throw a jab, but then the thing you gained control over suddenly becomes worthless as counterparties all look to decouple. Running such an attack indefinitely is pointless, may be tried regardless, but ultimately fruitless.

jim says:

> Selectively censoring transactions is the bitcoin network equivalent of stealing the 600 billion from Russia. You may get to throw a jab, but then the thing you gained control over suddenly becomes worthless as counterparties all look to decouple

US dollar did not instantly fall to zero, nor instantly cease to be the international currency. It will, but it is going to be a mighty long net war. And the only way for our guys to win it is to have an alternative that is not proof of work.

yes, everyone is looking for ways to decouple from the US dollar. Have they decoupled? And when bitcoin mining is targeted, everyone will similarly be looking for ways to decouple. And it will be hard, long and messy.

Fidelis says:

US dollar did not instantly fall to zero, nor instantly cease to be the international currency. It will, but it is going to be a mighty long net war.

Long road ahead, has been a very strong hegemon for about the same length of time as a human lives.

And the only way for our guys to win it is to have an alternative that is not proof of work.

We have a fundamental disagreement on this that I don’t feel like airing out again.

And when bitcoin mining is targeted, everyone will similarly be looking for ways to decouple. And it will be hard, long and messy.

This is where my case rests. It will be very long, and very expensive to keep the attack going. You trigger defense mechanisms instantly, and from that moment you make all the infrastructure and control you aquired set afire. The longer you hold the attack, the more you lose, and the less you stand to gain.

I find it likely, not overwhelmingly likely, such an attack will be tried. I find it overwhelmingly likely it will fail, and cost the attacker more than they stand to gain. Each passing day we get closer to a world where such an attack does not matter, the base layer more and more abstracted from the business logic, more substitutable, so I am more worried about making that reality come about faster. The best way to keep peace is to prepare for war, and so we must continue to prepare for war.

Mayflower Sperg says:

TL;DR software gains market share by being powerful and easy to use. Unfortunately if that software is a cryptocurrency, it also has to be scalable and secure, qualities that are hard for experts to judge, and impossible for average users.

Question: Why do currency exchanges reject every US banknote that has the slightest mark, be it a stamp, ballpoint pen, or even an ink stain on the unprinted outer margin? A US bank would accept these notes without a second glance; they’re obviously genuine.

Wolf says:

I think it’s usually because the central bank in the country wherein the exchange is located has made a policy to refuse those bills. Why would a central bank create that policy?

newwest says:

So I know nothing about crypto but would like to invest a small part of my retirement fund. Can somebody, please, recomment resources that I should study, before I take the plunge?

Fidelis says:

Learn how to keep a private key in cold storage. Not your keys not your crypto. Then figure out how to exchange your fiat into crypto, to send to your cold key.

Kind of a tall order for a non technical normie, but that’s the price.

f6187 says:

Cannot do international transactions in gold, because difficult and dangerous to move long distances.

You don’t have to move gold too often, only to settle occasional large balances in a network which books transactions efficiently in digital form. Even now it is already fairly routine to move tons of gold by airplane.

The problem now is that those in command of force majeure are more likely to attack property rights than to defend them, making physical assets vulnerable to theft and participants vulnerable to punishment. That drives the move to non-physical assets and extraordinarily furtive transactions.

Although that is one way to work around elite moral decay, ultimately there is no procedural substitute for good moral character.

jim says:

> You don’t have to move gold too often, only to settle occasional large balances in a network

This requires you to believe that the counterparty has the gold, and will deliver it on demand. In short, requires virtue and trust. Which is in short supply.

Mayflower Sperg says:

In any environment, moving gold is a lot easier than moving the physical goods being purchased with that gold. It’s more convenient to pay for real goods with virtual currency (including central bank fiat, if possible), but gold bullion is always an option.

For virtual goods, it would be nice if I could say, “Wow Pseudo, that’s a great comment, here’s 0.00001 Jimcoin!” but I doubt that such transactions will ever amount to a significant fraction of global GDP.

jim says:

> In any environment, moving gold is a lot easier than moving the physical goods being purchased with that gold

Suppose you want to buy a tanker load of oil with gold. Stealing the oil is likely to be physically difficult. Stealing the gold is easy.

Thus it is vastly easier to ship the oil than the gold. In our current environment, gold equal in value to tanker load of oil is a whole lot less likely to make it than the tanker.

I take physical goods through the airport all the time, often quite valuable to me, but of little use to someone who might confiscate them. Cannot take any significant amount of gold.

Let us imagine Russia trying to sell oil for gold. Not going to work. If you are a government in bad standing with the Global American Empire you cannot buy oil with gold or sell oil for gold, and if you are in good standing and you try it, you are very quickly going to find yourself in bad standing and being color revolutioned.

You can buy locally produced goods in person with gold, but gold is not suitable for goods that have to be moved over distance, because the counterflow of gold is not going to make it.

Mayflower Sperg says:

What’s so hard about stealing a tanker full of oil? It’s big, slow-moving, lightly-crewed, and unarmed. They’ve already seized hundreds of ships allegedly owned by Russian oligarchs, what’s one more?

If you say, “That vessel is protected by country X, which would regard its seizure as an act of war,” then country X can extend its protection to whatever vessel is carrying gold in the other direction.

Fidelis says:

Some numbers from quick search

2 million barrels of crude for a tanker, 70 usd per barrel, 140m usd

Gold price per gram, 62 usd, 2260kg, or about 188 gold bars to have the same worth as the oil.

I feel like one is easier to transport.

jim says:

It is not the cost of transport that matters. It is how much it costs the robber to steal it. Gold is cheaper to steal. So because of general lawlessness by state actors, quasi state actors and random criminals, very hard to transport gold.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Stealing oil is easy: Just wait for it to be loaded into a ship, say that the ship’s owner is a friend of Vladimir Putin, and steal the ship.

Before stealing two tons of gold, you have to locate it, and it’s surprising how little space two tons of gold occupies.

If states can protect oil shipments, they can protect gold shipments.

jim says:

Physical reality is that gold is hard to transport, and under current conditions, vastly harder. People just don’t.

Redbible says:

“Stealing GOLD is easy: Just wait for it to be loaded into a ship, say that the ship’s owner is a friend of Vladimir Putin, and steal the ship.”
FTFY

S says:

@Mayflower Sperg
It is the size and fungibility of gold that makes it easy to steal. Steal a shipment of a million watermelons and you need to have customers in order to change it into cash. Steal and oil tanker and you need to have a port and refinery willing to take it.

Gold is closer to currency then any other good so requires the least amount of effort to be useful.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Load that gold onto warships. Russia needs a blue-water navy anyway to protect its shipping lanes; those ships could also serve as floating Brinks trucks.

Gold is better than crypto, from a state’s perspective, because gold is a physical thing, and states are good at controlling physical things.

Only problem I see is that if states admit that gold is money, that might imply that the pieces of paper their citizens carry in their wallets are not money.

I think the two big trends of the 21st century will be a return to the gold standard and to warrior rule, at the expense of politicians and bureaucrats, who will fight tooth and nail to hold onto the powers they have grown accustomed to.

jim says:

> Load that gold onto warships

And people complain about bitcoin fees. Every transaction in gold over distance needs loyal honest armed men to protect it, and the bigger the transaction, the more armed men. This is doable, and indeed what is in fact done, but it makes transactions slow, complicated and expensive.

Western Taliban says:

states are good at controlling physical things.

I don’t think so.

States are good at producing collective violence and murder, the only thing they know. Precisely much of the problem in modern statesmanship is delusional belief that the state is good at anything else. The state is banditry.

The plebs seem to eat that shit up to no end and are prone to vote for more government involvement, but everything the government touches turns to shit. And if you had a king who was trying to govern his kingdom through magical decrees instead of simply delegating responsibilities to competent men to take care of them as they see fit he would wind up king of the ashes.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Liberal democratic states are incapable of anything except preparing children for a lifetime of anal sex, but non-liberal states are very good at controlling physical space. See how Western countries were all flummoxed by Somali pirates until Russian warships showed up and turned those pirates into chum slicks.

Western Taliban says:

until Russian warships showed up and turned those pirates into chum slicks.

Yes exactly, violence and murder, which is not the same as being good at controlling physical things. They killed the Somali pirates, that’s all. If you put the same government that kills those pirates into logistics and controlling physical things you’re going to get cancer.

Even during/after WWII, when America militarily was at its peak, the government and military was famous among its own people for being absolutely horrendously incompetent in general at anything that wasn’t blowing shit up.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Violence works. Just secure the trade routes and let merchants figure out the rest. After Genghis Khan conquered half of Eurasia, it was said that a virgin with a pot of gold on her head could walk unmolested from Syria to Korea.

Crypto is a poor substitute because its security depends on secrets. If two people know something, it’s not a secret, and if only one person knows it, and he dies, his crypto becomes useless.

jim says:

Even if we had a sovereign who upheld justice, crypto currency would still be better money, because you do not need a sovereign to protect secrets.

f6187 says:

This requires you to believe that the counterparty has the gold, and will deliver it on demand. In short, requires virtue and trust. Which is in short supply.

Whereas with Bitcoin, there is nothing to deliver. Quite a solution.

Hawaladars have managed counterparty risk for many centuries. They took managed losses, but such is life. The real currency is virtue and personal integrity. Gold follows the virtuous man, not the other way around.

Nevertheless you are correct, and as I say, “ultimately there is no procedural substitute for good moral character.” When virtue and trust decay, wealth decays. Eventually life itself becomes unsustainable, since life depends on trade and the division of labor, and those depend on virtue and trust.

The “procedural workaround” for lack of virtue and trust is crypto coins, which have the advantage of trustless transactions but the disadvantage of not being a useful physical object. And yes gold is useful — if it weren’t so rare we’d use it almost everywhere, but its rarity decrees its principal use as money.

Crypto coins also have the disadvantage of endless supply, as there are now about 16,633 different types of them. That may actually help drive Bitcoin’s first mover advantage, since at least it has limited supply.

f6187 says:

Cannot do international transactions in gold, because difficult and dangerous to move long distances.

In a richly developed network of trust it is possible to eliminate many shipments. Andy owes Bob a bar of gold; Bob owes Charles a bar of gold; Charles owes Andy a bar of gold. Voila, let’s zero the books and not lift a finger.

Requires virtue and trust though, which is in short supply. The opportunity cost is staggering.

Calvin says:

Unrelated, but do you think that the Supremes ruling affirmative action illegal is part of sections of the elite trying to roll back leftism in preparation for war with China? I doubt Roberts would have gone for it if at least someone higher up hadn’t given him the go-ahead:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/06/29/supreme-court-decision-affirmative-action-harvard/11097694002/

The Cominator says:

They can make whatever concessions they want and I hope they do, but I’m still not supporting war with Russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilS88HekSnQ
> No fat chicks
> No tatted drug addicts
> They wear dresses not pants
> They don’t all hate men and hate life
> No dykes
> No visible interracial couples (yes I know a lot of white Russians end up with Central Asian Russians)
This enrages the globohomo faggot.

jim says:

It is a nothing burger. There are ten thousand laws and court rulings banning affirmative action. Everyone denies practicing it even though they are practicing it. Since there are all these magic smart negroes, if you don’t see them, you will get in trouble. And if you use measures that show that they are not actually there, you will get in trouble. What is unconstitutional is not affirmative action, but the thought crime of admitting that blacks are insufficiently competent to make it on merit.

jim says:

Harvard has not been banned from practicing affirmative action. They have been banned from admitting that anyone is not there on merit.

Pax Imperialis says:

Another set of lie that must be held as true. One must wonder what that does for their mental health. Likely nothing good. Mental Lingchi?

Cloudswrest says:

Berkeley Low School dean Erwin Chemerinsky on “discrete” affirmative action.

https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1674548940522549248

Contaminated NEET says:

This is a win for the Left, as usual, although most of them are too affronted or too stupid to understand it yet. Of course, affirmative action continues as before, with a handful of obvious and inconsequential fig leaves to hide it. But now, affirmative action is “illegal,” therefore it’s misinformation and probably actionable slander/libel to say that any of its beneficiaries was admitted on anything other than pure merit. AA is illegal, therefore it’s impossible that any school would practice it, therefore it’s simply a fact that Jahneekia is the best qualified med school applicant, therefore your statement that she is not is a hate crime.

Starman says:

@Contaminated NEET

Engineerete Jahneekia will be enslaved or killed after the last US aircraft carrier is sitting at the bottom of the Pacific.

Red says:

As others have pointed out, getting rid of Disparate Impact would be a game changer, but this doesn’t seem like anything real. What will happen is Asians will use this assert their own interests while continuing to keep whites out.

The Cominator says:

The subway marine is fucked he’s being tried in Manhattan.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna91611

Contaminated NEET says:

The Age of Man is over. The Time of the Orc has come.

The Cominator says:

Heard his lawyer said its good that it’s Manhattan, my greaseball townie NYC born and raised friend said the opposite and that ideally he’d want Staten Island followed by Queens.

This might be a case of his lawyer fucking him…

Jehu says:

Wasn’t Bernie Goetz tried in Manhattan? The jury acquitted him of everything but the weapons charges. But that was back in the late 80s.

The Cominator says:

The difference was at the time even the Manhattan whites were cheering Charles Bronson in Death Wish… Manhattan right now is filled with prog fanatics who migrated from small towns upstate in upper New England or the Midwest who want to show how much holier they are then the hicks they came from and they have little real experience with criminal nigs even secondhand.

Red says:

Magic Negro Worship has gotten stronger over the years. I don’t know what it was like in the 70s, but since 2014 it’s been quite fanatical.

Red says:

This might be a case of his lawyer fucking him…

Likely. They let the nignog that knifed a homeless mugger go Scott free. That was well done, but the message is clear: WT isn’t allow to defend himself or others.

Western Taliban says:

You forgot the part where the Orcs actually lost, like they lost in Afghanistan, like they’re losing in Ukraine, like they will all lose eventually. Man can suffer ups and downs, but he remains supreme, God wills it.

Contaminated NEET says:
Sher Singh says:

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jim says:

These are all valid and legitimate complaints about the sufferings of Sikh’s and higher castes.

And if you blamed them on globohomo democracy instead of assorted enemies of the Cathedral, I would let it through.

Dharmicreality says:

I am not tech expert especially crypto currency but if the fundamental infrastructure like electricity, internet connectivity and computing power increasingly goes into tech decline, what would be the fate of crypto currency which fundamentally assumes the reliable 24*7 availability of electricity, underlying computing power and networking infrastructure and connectivity.

Will the West continue to get even electric power and water supply 24*7 if the current decline continues with competent white men slowly replaced by diversity and Shaniquas relying on magic dirt and incantations to make stuff happen?

jim says:

> what would be the fate of crypto currency which fundamentally assumes the reliable 24*7 availability of electricity, underlying computing power and networking infrastructure and connectivity.

Current events in the Ukraine reveal that tech capability wins wars. Shaniqua is going to wind dead or enslaved.

We need to get sovereign corporations working, as it becomes impossible for corporations that owe their corporateness to legal incorporation and state regulated book keeping to operate tech.

dharmicreality says:

At what point in the future do you anticipate that sovereign corporations will become practically possible? Will it require the actual fall of the present Government and Regulatory structures or mere incompetence on the bureaucrats’ part to enforce their will suffice?

jim says:

Sovereign corporations would be possible right now if we had the software written.

Corporations are these days network entities, rather than physical places where people show up.

What makes an enterprise a real thing is not its buildings, but its books. Businesses were an accounting fiction imagined into reality before they were legal fiction of the joint stock limited liability publicly traded corporation legislated into reality. What makes a corporation a creature of the state is government enforcement of truthful book keeping, and government enforcement of the property rights represented by shares in the business. We can use cryptographic methods to replace both of these. (Not to mention that government is now enforcing untruthful book keeping and violating the property rights represented by shares, as in the gamestop events.)

Karl says:

Cryptographic methods can provide truthful book keeping, but how could cryptographic methods enforce property rights?

Men with butons and guns are needed to enforce property rights. The squatter has to removed by force from property he isn’t welcome. The thief and the robber must be met with physical force.

Sovereign is who can use force and get a way with it. A sovereign company is a comany that can use force, lethal force if necessary, to defend its rights.

Some drug cartels and other criminal organizations might be sovereign corporations, but software doesn’t make them sovereign.

Any company that would try being sovereign by using violence without state approval would quickly be treated as a criminal organization.

At present, a criminal organization can produce drugs and provide transportation services (aka smuggling), but I fail to see how it could run a factory that produces machinery.

jim says:

> Cryptographic methods can provide truthful book keeping, but how could cryptographic methods enforce property rights?

The gamestop shenanigans could not have happened if shares in gamestop were a fungible token on the blockchain.

You are thinking of a corporation as a tangible thing. It is not a tangible thing. It is the effect of people interacting according to certain rules, habits and expectations. All of which can be put on a blockchain of identities and labels. A corporation is a coordinating mechanism that causes people to act to a common purpose. This coordinating mechanism is composed of pure information. A corporation exists as information – in the old days, information represented in a physical set of books, these days, information on physical computers. Corporations are composed of information. They always have been composed of information.

Most corporate property is intangible. The buildings that they occupy are rented or leased. Most of their real value is “goodwill”, the network of relationships, habits, knowledge, and skills in which they are the organizing vertices – their value is on the net. Domino’s pizza does not make any pizza nor own any pizza shops. It does not own any flour, nor any cheese. It leases out its brand name, ordering system, and the right to use its names on its pizza recipes to little pizza shops owned by individual businessmen. It also organizes their supply chain, so that flour and cheese and such that it does not make or own is delivered on time by businesses it does not own to other businesses it does not own. It also takes pizza orders, which it despatches to small businesses it does not own, to be served by pizzas it does not make. (But it defines the recipes.)

The property of a sovereign corporation will be in the net, and physical assets will be owned by individuals, as for example a “Domino’s” pizza shop. And those individuals will deal with defending their physical assets themselves. Possibly with a bit of help in the case of private military corporations.

Domino’s pizza does not exist in any physical thing. Rather it is a system of relationships that results in some individuals making pizza with stuff that they themselves own, and other people getting pizza to eat. That system of relationships can be moved to the net. The pizza oven and the pizza stays where it is.

And Wagner does not actually own any tanks, though taking their tanks away might be difficult – was indeed difficult.

dharmicreality says:

Jim, what you are saying is right, technically but what makes the Sovereign respect the difference between Dominos and its franchisees?

Supposing, word got around that the Govt was pissed off by Dominos (the brand) and thereafter the physical stores of Dominos franchisees get raided officially or unoffically by the State. If enough individuals became reluctant to put up a Dominos sign in their pizza shop, what would become of Dominos, the brand? Since the whole point of Dominos is pizza to customers, if the actual store owners who put up Dominos signs were under threat, and delivery boys who wear the Dominos T-shirt were under threat by the Sovereign, how could Dominos actually maintain its brand, attract franchisees and make money?

In the sense, if there are tangible assets involved, and physical products to be delivered, regardless of who owns them technically, there is always the danger of the Sovereign wielding its might to thwart the Corporation’s business.

jim says:

> If enough individuals became reluctant to put up a Dominos sign in their pizza shop, what would become of Dominos, the brand?

The difference is that Dominos the legally created corporation can be seized with the stroke of the pen, but as a cryptographically created corporation, the sovereign has to send a whole lot men with guns all over the place, to knock on the doors of a whole lot of people who likely have guns also.

It is similar to the difference between having your money in the bank, and having your money in Bitcoin. They could beat my passphrase out of me, but that is hard work and likely to be dangerous.

dharmicreality says:

Yes, got your point. The distributed (anticipated) resistance by individual franchisees is a bigger headache since individual agents of the Sovereign have to run considerable personal risk to thwart them, while a corporate controlled by the State is broken apart by a lawmaker sitting in a distant office.

But what it also means is that, we need conditions where a considerable number of individuals also no longer treat the Sovereign as a sacrosanct entity.

jim says:

Well I live as far from power as you can get without treading water, and I look at the people around me, and they don’t think the Sovereign is sacrosanct. Maybe attitudes are different closer to power.

Karl says:

Let’s look more closely at your example of Domino’s pizza somehow transformed into a souvereign corporation.

So all tangible goods are owned by real, narural persons. The coorporations owns only “goodwill”.

Now let’s assume that someone who has nothing to with Domino’s pizza and no right to any of the corporations goodwill opens a pizza restaurant called “Domino’s Pizza”. That someone wants to profit from the coorporation’s goodwill, doesn’t want to pay for it, and doesn’t even want to maintain that goodwill. He is cheerfully selling pizza of a much lower quality to his customers who are only buying from him because they are expecting better quality. Of course, these customer’s are very disapointed and Domino’s goodwill is suffering.

So how does your sovereign company protect its rights?

If the company merely asks some government appointed judge to send the police to close that fake Domino’s Pizza, the company isn’t souvereign at all.

If the company sends a contract killer to close that fake Domino’s pizza, the government will investigate and pretty soon the company will be treated as a criminal organisation and anyone dealing with it will be comitting a criminal offence.

A drug cartel can survive that for a while, but Domino’s pizza? I don’t think so. Pretty soon the company will be gone and all “good will” lost.

jim says:

> Now let’s assume that someone who has nothing to with Domino’s pizza and no right to any of the corporations goodwill opens a pizza restaurant called “Domino’s Pizza”.

What he lacks is Domino’s system for taking orders – people who call up for pizza delivery are going to get the nearest actual franchisee. He also does not have Domino’s system for delivery of ingredients. He is going to have to do his own shopping for equivalent ingredients, which will not always be that similar, and suppliers prefer an agreement where they get to deliver the their stuff to one hundred shops, rather than one shop. The transaction costs on making a deal for ingredients are going to be higher if one pizzeria, rather than a hundred. And if someone is looking for the nearest Domino’s pizza, not going to be listed.

And when people pay electronically using their lightning wallet on the phone, their phone is not going to show Domino’s pizza.

Shadoo says:

But this experiment has been done, and results consistently disprove your assertions.

In Eve Online, people form associations (corporations and alliances of corporations) and then cooperate within the game to secure resources within the game. (Trading real-world assets such as dollars for those resources is supported by the game company; the reverse trade is contrary to terms but happens all the time anyway.) Observations from the game apply to real-world corporations because the social dynamics are identical. Eve provides a laboratory with high stress, high potential reward, rapid iteration, rapid feedback, and near-total freedom of action. Its results are therefore trustworthy.

The in-game corporations and alliances form generally based on two specific models: purely in-game associations and social networks based on in-game interests and socializing, or associations based on real-world identities, usually national ones, but also tightly-knit groups of individuals who know each other from other online contexts. (Something Awful Forums being the most well-known, but there were many such cases.)

Consistently – I think it is safe to say, without exception – the groups formed based on in-game interest showed dramatically lower asabiyah and collapsed into cascade failures much more quickly than the groups formed based on identity. Red Allaince (russians) holding out for the better part of a year against a conglomerate of the then-most powerful alliances in the game is one example. Sons of Tangra (hungarians) holding Fountain constellation, getting invaded by an alliance 20-30 times more numerous and powerful, and just staying there and fighting until their enemies got exhausted and left about a year later would be another. The total collapse of Ascendant Frontier (at the time the unquestioned economic frontrunner) in a matter of weeks demonstrates the other side, as does the total evaporation of Lotka Volterra – an elite military alliance formed based on interests rather than identity. Legion Du Lys (quebecois) had a reputation for a decade as a solid military contingent that would always hold up their end of any assignment, even though they were just a couple dozen people. Pure Alliance was an attempt at compositing multiple high-quality corporations into an alliance; they fought a series of very competently executed wars to take and secure Vale of the Silent, and when facing its first serious invasion, simply refused to fight, evaporating in all directions. Goonswarm itself is a very well-known identitarian case that went from a chaotic crowd of griefers and scammers to the undisputed galactic overlords for more than a decade. I could go on at great length.

The point is: corporations, as you have described and constructed them, have been experimentally proven to be incapable of securing solidly motivated action from human beings. When pressured, regardless of their strengths and advantages on paper, they collapse, and the intangibles cease to exist. Therefore they cannot be the foundation of any societal development.

jim says:

> Therefore they cannot be the foundation of any societal development.

Corporations gave us the industrial revolution, and age of empires was started by joint stock limited liability corporations conquering the world. Corporations recently industrialized China and brought eight hundred million out of poverty. Wagner is quietly conquering a decent chunk of Africa.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

The orphaned children of modernity need to become reacquainted with concepts like ‘necessary but not sufficient’.

Western Taliban says:

More like the orphaned children of modernity are so gay and mentally ill they need to become reacquainted with reality itself. I enjoyed the small commentary based on a complex video game, but trying to turn it into an accurate analysis of actual human interaction is completely psychotic. Reminds me of the scamdemic retards doing computer based models and telling us we were all going to die.

Anyone who has played poker with real money and fake money will immediately grasp the basis of the error underlying the comparison. If we were talking about real galactic empires and factions where people experience pain, hunger and such things, the comparison is even more pitiful and inept.

Jim appropriately provides a dose of reality. Someone telling me that in reality the East India Company wasn’t all that successful because a video game told him so really needs to shut the fuck up. Especially when the same person is going to make the critique on the grounds of “the intangibles” but counterpoints with “national identity”, which is the most fake, gay, ad hoc possible thing to ever exist.

Being “Russian”, being “Hungarian”, is the most worthless vapid dogshit, it’s a concept born out of the dark times of the “enlightenment” and started by Napoleon to feed his army with retarded cannon fodder. The people who take such “identity” seriously are always low IQ retards, the same worthless retards that went to Afghanistan to get blown up by the Taliban to protect anal sex and feminism, and now back at home find themselves being disposed off like human garbage by their “nation”. Cringe.

Corporations on the terms described by jim are the actually sane social interaction, because they are based on mutually beneficial agreements and transparent clear cut terms. Just like aristocrats and nobles made mutually beneficial agreements and transparent clear cut terms with the king and the reason why they fought with him. If a man is willing to die randomly, fighting even against his own best interests, because he was randomly born in a patch of land… he really is so retarded I don’t even know how I’d attempt to correct such a man.

jim says:

He has a valid point that corporations tend to be incohesive. But nations and empires also tend to incohesion, Exhibit A being Yugoslavia and the Ukraine, with Syria coming in third. (The Ukraine is a civil war that led to massive Russian and Global American Empire intervention.)

That corporations can spin off subdivisions without undue drama is a weakness, but also a strength. History tells us that the multicult USA is inexorably headed for civil war.

Wagner has very impressive cohesion, because of the realization that we are fighting a holy war against demon worshipers. Shared faith in God gives them cohesion. Worked for Constantine, works for Wagner. Worked for Abraham when the patriarchs fought wars against Kings. The cohesion of the East India company was very bad, and would support his argument, except that they were constantly fighting wars against peoples, faiths, nations, and Kingdoms that displayed even worse cohesion.

Western Taliban says:

I’d argue all large scale cooperation tends to be incohesive, because cooperation is hard.

Fratricide is an old word coming from times where family and tribe were even more important for survival. If people bonded by 97% or something identical genetics living under such conditions can kill each other, what about men whose single reason for cooperation is a small agreement in a sea of discord?

If America had been under an “East India Company” the colonials would have never fought for independence, management would have been appropriate. And the best way Amerikaners would have to deal with niggers is by a corporate type organization as you described. Effective big organizations are composed of smaller organizations, until you reach organization small enough that they truly are composed of individuals (6 or so). If you observe a competent group, or even the army, you can see this.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

The word ‘nation’ was a word for a species of people. Nationalism existed before Nationalism, and will continue to exist after it too, naturally.

Fidelis says:

I feel like the core argument is not being criticized properly here, mostly due to somewhat vague wording.

The argument as I see it was not against corporation as a concept. It was against corporation with no real-life connection, the remote worker corporation. Sure, the East India corporation conquered south asia pretty thoroughly, but it was composed of brits that had attended the same school as boys, and were living elbow to elbow as they sailed to the place. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but the Wagner guys are almost all white orthodox russians, who fight together.

That’s the key distinction being pointed out. Not that corporations don’t work, but that virtual corporations composed from video calls and email don’t perform. Having worked for remote teams, I am inclined to agree, but maybe it was the team and not the substrate.

jim says:

Obviously cohesion needs a shared faith. And currently the only shared faith allowed is woke.

What I expect is that sovereign corporations will have faiths other than woke. They will have to. Go woke, go broke.

Fidelis says:

Does faith work over an internet protocol? Or does it require shared in-person ritual?

I do not believe these questions have been answered yet. I suspect the answer is “yes, but only if there are opportunities to have shared rituals in person on occasion”. Gut feeling only, could be mistaken.

Aidan says:

I suspect that the real consequences of defecting on a voluntary alliance in EVE are rather less scary than the consequences of defecting on a voluntary alliance of merchant-pirates in real life.

Western Taliban says:

but it was composed of brits that had attended the same school as boys, and were living elbow to elbow as they sailed to the place. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but the Wagner guys are almost all white orthodox russians, who fight together.

This is extremely naive. You should really look into what the East India Company was like, and you should look into what Wagner looks like.

Then again when you decided to use the word Brit instead of English didn’t you answer your own question yourself? Let’s go read history and look into this “real life connection” between a Scotsman and an Englishman. Give me a fucking break lol, perhaps you were talking about seething hatred and murderous rage.

I’ll tell you something, modern nationalities are even faker and gayer than “virtual corporations composed from video calls and email”. But what Jim described is not the modern form (or anti-form) to begin with.

PC brings up the old meaning of nationality from a racial perspective, but to be perfectly honest that was also particularly flimsy in its time and hardly anything more than descriptive, the people weren’t complete faggots so they were totally aware. Just look at Rome. Even the loincloth Germanic savages couldn’t have given less of a fuck.

I’m wholly sympathetic to racialist sensibilities, it’s only natural. Trying to pass this garbage as anything else than a feeble sensibility is extremely fake and gay. But “our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow” is not.

This is what Jim calls “shared faith”, i.e., reality consensus based upon agreement on what we want. Woe to the faggot that doesn’t want to make women property, cheers to all men who make women property, etc., etc.

Fidelis says:

@WT

You’re being extremely obtuse and combative and its diluting the argument you’re trying to make.

My rephrasing of your counterpoint, lets see if we’re on the same page at all

You’re pointing to ethnic cohesion as necessary precondition to corporate cooperation and coordination but your examples suck and disprove your own point. What is needed is shared faith.

Is that a fair wording?

My point, which I agree was not very well supported in my comment, was that the people actually coordinating the governance of these systems come from a shared background. Its not a collection of people selected at random. I also agree with you, that a shared faith is the biggest factor in successful coordination, though sharing an ethne and faith and common upbringing goes farther still.

You should really look into what the East India Company was like

Would love a book recommendation.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

This is a matter which can be easily clarified with counterfactuals.

Can anyone point to any example in history of a multiracial company with Historic scale success in achieving sovereignty?

Western Taliban says:

Can anyone point to any example in history of a multiracial company with Historic scale success in achieving sovereignty?

Yes, the two empires “where the sun never set” to ever exist are like that. Both “Britain” and “Spain” are multiracial kingdoms whose history is full of successful conquest because their crowns delegated power to “charters”, who were given plentiful autonomy, to get the job done. And both their histories are full of contentious fight between the different nations within their territories.

Before you try to deny the multi-racial nature of Britain when Englishmen considered Irishmen like cattle and potato niggers, just don’t. Who did Alfred the Great rule? “King of the Angles and Saxons”. What the fuck is an Englishman anyway? An Angle, a Saxon, a Dane, a Norman? All of them have become Englishmen.

The American Frontier was a free for all, America has been extremely multi-racial from its inception. Franklin talking about the swarthy Swedes really cracks me up. To this day, Amerikaners are actually a bunch of mixed up European races, there is no such thing as an actual “Amerikaner” race. I don’t know too much about the inner workings of the Ottoman Empire, but they were extremely multi-racial too.

Instead of asking for a successful case of people united by shared faith, you should provide a successful case of a people united by race that could be called “an advanced civilization”.

I wholly reject the notion of cooperation based on race and even kindred blood. The only way you can reach successful cooperation is with explicit agreement and terms, shared faith will do. Fraternities are a lot more successful at cooperation than blood brothers for a reason.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Perhaps the question wasn’t very well worded. The premise of this discussion was the prospect of merchant/mercenary companies getting prodded by History into assuming the Mandate of Heaven. Most notable examples in the past, such as Venice or EIC, were each characteristically dominated by men of shared ethnic backgrounds. The question was largely rhetorical because it seems to me that such a counterfactual does not actually exist; any merchant company that ever became more than a merchant company were all peopled by men of like kinds, in management if nothing else.

On the subject of empires, the Spanish colonial adventures were most certainly multi-racial. English colonial adventures mostly consisted of extirpating any indigens in the way and taking the space with more of themselves. Easy A-B testing example. Looking at the long term consequences of both, English method looks much more effective.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

>Franklin talking about the swarthy Swedes really cracks me up.

I think you’re being rather precious in how you run with examples like this.

Franklin could talk about swarthy swedes because a world where even slight deviations from the norm stick out like a store thumb is predisposed by a world where such unanimity of constitution in folk was, well, the norm, in the first place.

All of the current diversity movements are marxism masquerading as civil rights. Shaniqua will be set aside when she is no longer useful. Likewise the alphabet mafia.

Starman says:

@IGnatius T Foobar

“Shaniqua will be set aside when she is no longer useful”

Any day now, Boeing and Lockheed will set aside engineerette Shaniqua, so they can finally build a reusable rocket… any day now… waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting…

Mayflower Sperg says:

I saw in the jews media that Raytheon is calling back retired engineers to help them build more Stinger missiles to send to Ukraine. From your local plumber to your local military contractor, American industry is heavily dependent on old white men who keep getting older, while young white men have to wait in line behind Pedro, Muhammad, and Shaniqua. It should be obvious by now to our ruling class that multiculturalism is destroying the basis of their power.

Then again, is there even one medical case history where a tumor grew a brain and realized that if it didn’t stop growing, it would kill its host organism and die with it?

Fleischfresser says:

What is this crowd’s take on Miles Mathis?

His ‘science papers’ seem to be nonsense, his paintings and comments on painting seem legitimate, and his analyses of cultural manipulation, forgery, and degradation seem somewhat compatible with the leanings I’ve read here.

jim says:

He is a great artist. Unfortunately, like many great artists, insane. His ramblings on cultural manipulation, forgery, and degradation, are just meaningless noise from a madman. A very talented madman.

Dorien says:

He is an (older style) lefty. My theory is him trying to conform his investigations into his worldview drove him mad. Inability to see thought crimes lead to these outrageous explanations.

Anonymous Fake says:

[*laundry list of shill memes deleted*]

Anonymous Fake says:

Where is the error in this train of thought then? [*deleted*]

jim says:

The error is that it attributes our current problems to stuff that globohomo does not endorse, such as crooked cops.

Bwana Simba says:

There is a theory that his site is a shill site run by multiple people due to discrepancies in what he has written. Granted, that is also a theory aimed at Heartiste as well. If it is a single dude he tends to ramble incoherently from time to time and has whatever the narcissistic tendencies Vox Day and Heartiste have. Some of his shit is ground breaking, some of it is unreadable.

The details of how we get to democratically secure bitcoin are inconsequential. What matters most is that we get to the point where crypto becomes the de facto international currency. Fiat holders have demonstrated that they are not responsible enough and must have that privilege revoked.

Wolf says:

How can a currency whose value fluctuates so dramatically be the basis of international currency? Currently, it’s held by true believers, speculators, wealthy people who allot a small percent of their assets, or small businessmen who can’t launder shady profits. Wouldn’t the risk exposure be too great for corporations and states?

jim says:

> How can a currency whose value fluctuates so dramatically be the basis of international currency?

1. Use an index as unit of account. Currently people are using the bitcoin dollar price as unit of account, which will change once the dollar loses its centrality.

2. “fluctuation” is not as big a problem as steady and rapid inflation.

3. Bitcoin fluctuates because the value of bitcoin in active circulation is very small, so you have vast international flows pouring in and out of a very small pool. A tenfold or hundred fold rise in value will fix the problem. When bitcoin is a hundred times its current value, the fluctuations will be considerably smaller.

Ghost says:

[*deleted*]

Freezy Cones Esq says:

[*ignorant twaddle about bitcoin and cryptography deleted*]

jim says:

Not going to hold a conversation about crypto currencies with someone absolutely unfamiliar with them and completely ignorant of cryptography.

Yes, lightning network is complicated and has big problems. But the ordinary user can go on Nostr, move money around, and it is no more complicated than any other social network, because people who actually know what they are doing are managing the complexity for him.

Go on Nostr, perform a few transactions, and then we can talk. After you are slightly familiar with current use of crypto, then we can discuss what makes it resistant to state power.

Cloudswrest says:
Redbible says:

And the link is already dead… this is why KD tells people to achieve links.

Also, KD Link: https://archive.is/8CWUe

Cloudswrest says:

Link is not dead. Twitter appears to have changed policy overnight where you have to be logged in to view tweets.

Mister Grumpus says:

Can’t even see Elon’s own Twitter feed without logging in, I presume via KYC.

Shut it down.

alf says:

Seems really dumb to accountwall twitter. The fact that tweets could be shared among non-twitter users is what made it so potentially viral. So much for Elon changing the game.

Cloudswrest says:

Musk claims it’s temporary. Says Twitter was suddenly subject to a vast “data scraping” attack that was overloading their servers.

Cloudswrest says:

A (presumably) brilliant thought just occurred to me! Cloudflare, and others, typically require some sort of “proof of work” to gain access and prevent abuse. Does this proof of work have any value beyond its primary “access” function? What if the proof of work was to do some Bitcoin mining calculations? Since Cloudflare requires millions of browsers to do proof of work this would seem to be an ideal, and legal, parasitic distributed mining operation. I doubt it would be completely self funding, but it’s free money!

notglowing says:

What is our answer to the therapist question?

“Mental health” is a “problem”. The “solution” given to “mental health” is to go to the “therapist” because it can be “cured” just like real health problems, by following some method or using some “medicine”.

That’s the mainstream opinion today, that all these “mental health” issues are just a result of insufficient therapist sessions, which could fix them.

While we know their conceptions of what is good or bad for you mentally to be wrong, and their therapists to have some really bad ideas, do we offer an alternative?

I know the first answer would be that these mental illnesses are the result of the absurd ways of modern society, which cannot result in anything but mental illness for normal people. That we can fix them by replacing the system.

Still, aside from that, what would our alternative to the therapist be? Would it be the figure of the priest, one who is hopefully mentally sane, or something else entirely?

Carte Blanche says:

“Mental health” or “mental illness” was barely a blip on society’s radar before we emancipated women and closed the asylums. Cure the disease, and the symptoms will disappear.

Dr. Faust says:

Mental illness is obviously real. Was obvious throughout all history and has always been associated with demons. It still is because naming someone crazy or possessed by demons amounts to the same thing.

That said. It is exacerbated by modernity, namely urban living and people living in captivity. You can generate a mental illness in a person with several hours in a dark room as the brain needs frequent stimulation.

But mental illness is pushed heavily by the left in order to pathologize dissent. But with ever increasing levels of dissent more pathology created needing more treatment. Its convenient because they lack any ability to reason their position so labeling someone as insane instead of wrong becomes much easier. The framing of leftist ideology often falls along these lines: homophobia, xenophobia, transphobia are diagnosis of wrong think needing treatment not debate.

My only hope in this world has been tied to the decentralization of society away from cities and into rural environments where nature can reassert itself. It will have a stabilizing effect on many though not all. Some are lost and would need treatment. In a sane world that would be reserved for the seriously ill the ones who used to be obviously insane and not single moms with anxiety or teen boys who don’t want to listen to an hour long lecture.

Adam says:

There are 12 step anonymous fellowships worldwide that serve the need for a more personal solution, with results as good as can be expected. They are volunteer organizations and not a source of status, so they are harmless as far as social work goes.

Javier says:

asylums for the truly insane, death penalty for criminals, personality quirks for everyone else.

the problem with mental illness as a concept is it decouples a person from their own actions. the urge to excuse behavior because “they can’t help it” is overwhelming. the actual conclusion from this should be euthanasia. understand that bears can’t help eating people sometimes, but when man eating bears wander into town, we shoot them.

Dr. Faust says:

There’s the rub. Under a cloud of obfuscation useful medicines for treating the obviously insane have been lost to pathologizing dissent and disquiet. I am optimistic that it’s possible to find helpful treatments to benefit the lives of the obviously insane but that won’t happen until the leftist spiraling in psychiatry stops advancing their diagnostic singularity which won’t be stopped until it’s stopped at the greater social level first. Like the ever expanding definition of racism, mental illness will eclipse all of human behavior at its current pace if it already hasn’t.

You’re right pointing out the similarities between priests and therapists. It is clearly a secular version of the latter. And it’s success tied directly to human desire of confession and absolution which lends evidence to Christian faith as man’s best knowledge of the divine. A square peg fits the square hole.

i says:

@Dr Faust

Coupled with the fact that Exorcisms do actually work on the demon possessed.

Adam says:

Everything sorts itself out once you get rid of blue pill social conditioning and consent based morality. Once people are forced to deal with reality out of necessity, they will stop indulging every retarded thought and fantasy that goes through their head.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

After being led to destroy their priests and confessional, Society came up with a way to reinvent them.

Encelad says:

In my opinion therapists nowadays occupy the niche of confessor priests. They are the globohomo clergy that check on the herd. I see the therapist session as the modern version of a confession, with the fundamental difference that the whole framework is inverted.
During a confession, the Christian priest will tell you that the problems in your soul, are due to your sins, which are ultimately your responsibility. He will ask you to repent, recite prayers for atonement and possibly give you absolution.
A therapist will find that the causes are external, out of your control. He might tell you that you have a “mental disorder”, and you will have to take drugs to quench the symptoms.
Let’s take the example of “transgederism”:
What should a priest do if you go to him and confess that you wear female clothes because you feel you are a woman trapped in a man’s body? The expected reaction is for him to tell you that cross-dressing and sodomy are offenses against God, and thus you should immediately repent and change your behavior accordingly. If you succeed, you might have a shot at having a successful life and a family.
What would a therapist in the Current Year do? He will enable you, push you to go full steam on your delusion, tell you that you were “born this way”. The most wicked one would even persuade you to mutilate your body.
The result will be a living hell for the rest of your, probably short, life.

yewotm8 says:

This is what I’ve been thinking for a while. Readers of this blog have long overlooked the significance of confession. Had no need for it because possess “moral autonomy”. Not quite sure if that’s a good term, but it means not needing to be told right from wrong by an external observer.

But many people do need to be told that, and the demand for it never went away when people stopped going to church.

alf says:

it means not needing to be told right from wrong by an external observer.

But many people do need to be told that,

This is something I’ve been thinking about too, or rather, something that has slipped into my thinking over the past years.

A big part of Christianity is man as fallen. We are sinful creatures — yes, Jesus saved us by dying for our sins, but still, died for our sins. The significance of this narrative has only in the past years become clear to me.

It is very easy to be lazy, selfish, greedy, evil, all that shebang. To be a good person, must put in effort. Christianity offers that path. Post-Christianity does not — except for the heavy Progressive variant where men are required to cut off their dick, most post-Christians these days simply believe that they are OK just by being themselves, whatever that means.

But just being yourself also means being your sinful self. Cooperation is hard! Need to put in effort. Need moral guidance, and need a vent for when you inevitably f*** up.

There is a balance of course. I’ve had it told that some are put off by overly stern preachers at funerals on the Very Sinful Nature of Man. Something something holiness spiral. But the principle stands — we aren’t perfect, we carry our sins on our back, and that’s just part of the deal.

The reason I bring this up is because I think it ties into our expectations of a future Caesar. Sin stacks, like the picture of Dorian Gray. Even if one has the best intentions, if one lacks the moral guidance, and in our post-Christian society, few do not lack it, you will accumulate sin in your life. It will mark you, and close you off from the good in this world. Men with too much sin make bad leaders.

I am not all that old, but I realized I had also come to carry sins on my back, some of my own, some inherited from my family. It’s really only been over the past years, through reading this place, reflecting, and working to make changes, that I feel I have atoned for the sins of my past. It is hard to put an exact number on years of atonement versus years of sinning, but let’s completely arbitrarily say it is 1 on 1.

What that means is that a man who is 40 and has lived his whole life in a post-Christian daze — can that man be a good leader? Can we expect that man to be the kind of Caesar we seek?

For instance, and I don’t mean to single this man out specifically, but since he makes a good example: take Elon Musk. His eldest son has changed his gender, cut all ties with his father. Quite literally a sacrifice to Moloch. To me that screams of Elon carrying a big bag of sins. Do I trust that kind of man to be the kind of Caesar I seek? I understand that sometimes you take what you can get, but surely I am not speaking gobblygook here.

How does KD put it… We are fallen creatures. Have mercy on us oh Lord, for we are sinners. And in this day and era especially so. Our sins will be used against us, as they will be used against Musk. If we really wish for victory, our first step must be to rid ourselves of our worst sins, in alignment with Jims Christianity. If we raise our children in similar manner, if they do not have to atone for 25 or more years of sin, then we shall have good men from which Caesars will arise.

SJ says:

The way I refer to this is progs think that you are a good person because you didn’t stab any hobos today. Being a good person is very hard, while not stabbing any hobos on my way to work is very easy. Progs believe man is naturally good so we must remove all impedance to natural man and the good will no longer be corrupted by the impedance. Hence consent morality, where consent creates moral good and anything that impedes the natural man and his or her consent is morally bad. I refer to this as placing man above God, as man’s consent now creates morality rather than God. Under Christianity God determines morality and we discover it through a good tree makes good fruit, a bad tree makes bad fruit. We know good by the results.

Progs often invent magic trickery to explain the bad results that happen from their natural consent morality. They can not explain human behavior because humans are not naturally good, but naturally fallen, and so often simply say the bad man tricked her to explain away the bad results of following our fallen nature. This is why they are so determined to destroy masculinity, particularly masculine willpower. By having no willpower you will follow your inner nature, and hence will be morally good.

This results in beast morality. My example of this in my life is I have committed adultery, both knowingly and willingly, with multiple women. I do not let men IRL know this as they will hate me for it. However, these same men IRL have also committed adultery, but not knowingly and willingly. They committed it by acting as a beast, without any thought, but by following their nature. These men consider themselves good, but should they discover that I thought through how to commit adultery, and then did so, I would be bad. It is not the adultery that the prog considers a sin, but rather it is utilizing your willpower to take action outside of your nature. It is not being a beast that is the sin. The beast is sin free, as they are following their nature, while the man is sinful because he can think and use willpower.

I refer to this as the prog desire to return to the garden of Eden. The prog wishes to return to the state of the beast, where we do not know good or evil and hence are morally good by following our nature.

I can tell a prog that we cannot return to the garden of Eden, and I can tell a prog that man does not determine morality but rather gnon does, but alas they are not equipped to hear me.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Sin has nothing to do with intelligence or willpower, other than being mostly confined to humans. Beasts cannot sin for the same reason single-celled organisms cannot get cancer. Sin is doing something that benefits your genetic survival (adultery) or gives you pleasure (homosex, drug abuse) at the expense of your social group.

Redbible says:

Let us ignore for a moment that by declaring Beasts as sinless that will naturally holiness spiral into “Animals are closer to god than use sinful humans, so we need to be more like animals to be more righteous.” And instead focus on using you own definition of sin.

Mayflower Sperg’s Definition of Sin:

Sin is doing something that benefits your genetic survival (adultery) or gives you pleasure (homosex, drug abuse) at the expense of your social group.

Let a suppose a wolf chooses to eat some of my sheep. Despite my best efforts to get the wolf to leave and choose other animals to eat, the wolf refuses to do so. In such a case it would be fair to say that I have made the best efforts to cooperate with the wolf who keeps defecting on me. So I then choose to kill said wolf and all of it’s family. We can see that as a result of how that wolf attempted to benefit it’s genetic survival, it caused it’s social group to pay the ultimate price. By you own definition of sin, this wolf has sinned. Therefore, the idea that beasts are sinless is nonsense.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Islam makes exactly the mistake that you describe, teaching that animals are all Muslims because they mindlessly obey Allah, and that people should do likewise.

That wolf didn’t sin, he just made some life choices that turned out poorly for reasons he couldn’t understand. Apex predators have a hard time dealing with the fact that when humans are around, they’re not apex anymore.

And it was silly of you to turn the other cheek. Wolves are wild animals; they’re not humans who might be or become your fellow Christians.

Fidelis says:

The more you try to constrain theology to some utility maximization function, the more you fail to actually gain that utility in the first place.

To expand the point, jim often repeats

irrational optimism is better than rational pessimism

You decay into rational faith in social systems when you lose irrational belief. Jesus as jewish community organizer instead of Christ Jesus begotten of the Father.

Mayflower Sperg says:

That’s because utility maximization functions only appeal to nerds. “Do as God says or burn in eternal hellfire” is much more effective on the masses.

Red says:

Beasts that attack my family die. I want them to fear attacking humans that I don’t tell them to attack. Fear of the Lord is wisdom for Men and fear of man is wisdom for beasts for bad things happen when you cross your betters.

SJ says:

If the beast does not have free will, does not understand good or evil, what does evil mean? Putting hard definitions on sin is claiming that we are God. We can not predict all or know all we can simply do our best. We do our best to use our faculties to determine if our tree will make good fruit, or will it make bad fruit? Or will it make no fruit and wither like the fig tree?

Now we can follow the comments of Moses and Jesus, and other old testament stuff if we want. Jesus does tell us to follow the laws of Moses. The only remaining problem is the rectification of names, as the word wizards have redefined so much of our language. They have been confounded.

FrankNorman says:

If that’s what they think it, it makes no sense. If you are a human, your willpower, morality and reason are all expressions of your nature.

Red says:

>It is very easy to be lazy, selfish, greedy, evil, all that shebang. To be a good person, must put in effort. Christianity offers that path.

Let me know when the real Christianity shows up and I’ll join that church.

>But just being yourself also means being your sinful self. Cooperation is hard! Need to put in effort. Need moral guidance, and need a vent for when you inevitably f*** up.

Personally I’ve always found that it’s quite easy to live with the Law of GNON when my environment is in order with it. I’m a naturally highly cooperative man. But I live in an environment where everyone around me, including my extended family regularly defects and views those defections as moral as long as they say the right magic words.

There really isn’t any one left to provide moral guidance when it comes to confession. Just more blue pilled lies.

alf says:

Let me know when the real Christianity shows up and I’ll join that church.

What is a church but a bunch of men hanging out, and a preacher giving the occasional sermon. Brother, the real Christianity has shown up, and you’ve long since been part of its church.

But I live in an environment where everyone around me, including my extended family regularly defects and views those defections as moral as long as they say the right magic words.

So get out. Minimize contact with bad people.

Dorien says:

This basically reflects a lot of my thoughts and experiences
I joined the Catholic church in the last year, was baptized and now realizing that being Christian is hard, confession is a weekly thing. But it’s also showed me how sin I hadn’t even really considered before is a problem and can be overcome. Following your own path is dangerous if you are surrounded by temptation and immorality on every side

i says:

that I feel I have atoned for the sins of my past. It is hard to put an exact number on years of atonement versus years of sinning, but let’s completely arbitrarily say it is 1 on 1.

Christ atones for our sins by his blood. We do the task of repenting for our sins. And in believers who have a duty to Pray to ask for his Holy Spirit.

God’s Spirit works in his faithful in conjunction with the Scriptures to help perfect our souls.

SJ says:

Therapy is a manifestation of the victim consciousness our people’s insane religion gives them. No one holds any responsibility for their own position hence they are the victim of whatever ails them, because everyone is now internally a woman. Under progress they must appeal to the great mommy teacher in the sky to solve their problems for them and they must not ever simply assess the situation and take action, which is masculine and hence morally bad. They do not want to be morally bad but morally good.

Example; the loser’s life sucks because his head is filled with progressive gibberish. He is very sad because his life is terrible. He can’t think I’m sad so I’ll figure out why and take action to fix it because he can’t acknowledge why he is sad without violating his religious beliefs. Rather he says I’m sad so the great mommy teacher in the sky must fix it. He complains online, or worse he goes to a therapist and complains. They tell him that he is the victim rather than the perpetrator inverting his position and allowing him to continue living in his victim consciousness.

He is not an agent with willpower, like a man, as that would be heretical and mean he is a bad person. Rather he is a hypoagent, things happen to him he does not happen to things, he is a woman and hence he is good. The confusion as to why his life sucks and bad things continue to happen can only be explained emotionally, as inside he is actually a woman. He is a tranny, but only on the inside. He is good, but everything in his life is bad, and the cognitive dissonance is always threatening to overwhelm him. He may think, I don’t understand why my life sucks when I’m such a good person. He takes mind numbing drugs to suppress the cognitive dissonance and avoid suicide another day. Modern success story.

ten says:

There are different forms of therapy. I generally think psych diagnosis and medication is fake, gay and retarded, but cognitive behaviour therapy works for some psych problems. I knew a guy who hadn’t figured out how to get out of bed and do stuff without being forced to. CBT helped him with tricking himself into forming normal habits with no attached voodoo.

Red says:

What is our answer to the therapist question?

“Mental health” is a “problem”. The “solution” given to “mental health” is to go to the “therapist” because it can be “cured” just like real health problems, by following some method or using some “medicine”.

That’s the mainstream opinion today, that all these “mental health” issues are just a result of insufficient therapist sessions, which could fix them.

Depression is low status especially when doing the normal things that should result in high status. Most mental health issues revolve around not being in compliance with God’s natural law for one reason or another.

For example, a hard working and productive incel not getting his dick wet results in depression. A white man being reduced in status despite being obviously superior over the people around him has a similar effect. A woman who is failing to become owned causes female depression.

My grandfather was regularly far away for his work from his family, this left his wife deeply depressed so she started drinking. One day he come home early I discovered that she’d become a functional alcoholic and he slapped her around for it. She stopped drinking. The fact that he would hit her showed that he owned her despite the less than ideal home life due to his job. Depression cured.

Skippy says:

“Still, aside from that, what would our alternative to the therapist be? Would it be the figure of the priest, one who is hopefully mentally sane, or something else entirely?”

Therapy is clearly a cult given its hierarchical structure in which superiors possess blackmail material on inferiors, i.e. to become a psychotherapist you must yourself be analyzed while Freud, the originator of the system, was never analyzed.

Therapy should be outlawed as it is a state within a state.

People like to talk. Does it fix their problems? Probably not. They used to talk to the priest. But even if they must talk to no one, it’s better than tolerating a hostile state within a state.

Bwana Simba says:

What is everyone’s opinions of the Islamic riots in France? Beginning of the end for Europe?

Rux says:

No. Browns being brown. Outside of their state sponsored ghettos and the adjacent commercial avenue you’d never know anything was happening.

Dr. Faust says:

No, the beginning of the end was importing North Africa this is one of the consequences of that. I fully support the Muslims in the west because anything but this faggot shit is preferred. It will unwind because it has to but it won’t stop. For France to stop it would have to become a different people. To be a different people must be governed by different men. Islam will force that change on the west. You have to remove the rubble before you can rebuild.

yewotm8 says:

Gay. As if Frenchmen wouldn’t act to physically remove the “protesters” if given the order.

Islam Sucks says:

> I fully support the Muslims in the west

You will immediately stop supporting the conversion of your country to Islamic Sharia Rule when you discover that both the “West” and Muslims have been lying to you about Islam. Islam is false garbage and is a direct threat of murder to you and all freedoms you enjoy.

jim says:

True, but right now the enemy religion is woke, and while Muslims and Christians can never be friends, we can be allies. And Old Type Christians and Old Type Muslims are allies against the common enemy, as for example Wagner. After we win against woke, after we have defeated our common enemy, then there will be a cold war between Christendom and Islam, which may turn hot again. I seek to persuade our old type Hindu allies that India can safely sit on the sidelines of that war.

The Cominator says:

Co-Belligerents is a better term for Muslims now. Muslims do not keep faith with infidels for any longer than they absolutely have to.

jim says:

Right now it is obvious that the Taliban and quite a lot of Russian Muslims think that they have to. This is unlikely to last any longer than strictly necessary

someDude says:

I hope when that war between Muslims and Christians comes, Hindus don’t sit on their hands. The opportunity must be taken to give the choice to all Muslims in India to convert any of the Indic faiths of their choice, Hinduism, Sikhism, Jainism, Buddhism et al. Maybe foreign, non-abrahamic faiths such as Shinto, Druze or Taoism can be added as choices, maybe, maybe not, we will see.

Failing that reversion to an Indic/Pagan faith, they may leave and the seizure of their property will be used to pay to deport them to Islamic lands. Failing that, they may live as untouchables in the Ghetto. Troublemakers will be deported to their Jannat to be with their 72 houris.

Of course, this means we have to have victory in an internal civil war throughout India a conclusion which is far from foregone. India cannot balkanize, it will be throughout. But an internal civil war in India is a risk we have to take when Christians are fighting Muslims outside India. Hopefully we will not be too weakened by the internal civil war to be taken over once again by the victors in war between Muslims and Christians.

Hopefully, the victor in that war would be too weakened by that war or too sickened by the death and destruction to be a serious threat to take over a civil war weakened India.

Roger Williams says:

Riots and mobs of that magnitude don’t just sprung up sporadically. Lower classes don’t have enough agency to do that on their own. Looks very similar to the 2020 St. Floyd riots which were completely manufactured and enflamed by the media, politicians, and elite institutions.

I have no idea what the French media and politicians are saying but I would imagine they are completely behind and motivating the rioters. Anyone have any insight?

Guy says:

Color revolution in response to Macron’s slight overtures towards Russia and signaling against the US

Aidan says:

Use of military weapons by “rioters” (RPGs and LMGs both on video) indicates that the Islamic sleeper force has joined the fray. After Trump was elected, Muslim terror stopped, which means somebody in State or CIA stopped picking up their calls to give them a subtle green light, but that has now resumed.

My guess is that France’s slight independence in regards to the GAE is about to be revoked, perhaps with Muslim rule in France as the means.

Dharmicreality says:

Apparently someone in Germany was a fan of Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath’s method of dealing with the (mostly) peaceful desert cult rioters (bulldozing their houses).

https://archive.ph/YXSPD

But that kind of action requires the state to actually be a sovereign power and not a protectorate of the GAE.

Karl says:

Who do you mean with “some one in Germany”? I read the article, but didn’t see anything about a German or Germany.

Dharmicreality says:

There was apparently a tweet from a German cardiologist N John Camm but several social media and mainstream warriors have claimed it is from a fake account.

Rux says:

Macron always falls in line. He has a habit of pursuing a weak streak of sensibility, giving him an aura of independence, but never strays off the reservation. Hence his reluctance to declare a state of emergency which would would be tantamount to declaring that France has a ‘muslim problem’. Being a good lackey of the GAE he will never do so. I’ll eat my hat if he does.

Wolf says:

The European Council on Foreign Relations has just come out with a paper stating in no uncertain terms that Europe is a vassal of the United States. Unlike Macron’s pronouncements, these reports are not meant for voters. Could it be a sign that the European elite is starting to turn?

A2 says:

Let it cook for a while and it could be used to break Marseilles, break the banlieues, send the migrants back to North Africa, reverse the course. That does seem a tad unlikely in our globohomo empire though.

I wonder if Macron has realized he’s being color revolutioned?

Fidelis says:

Nah, the opposite. This is a Jihad, and the mohammadans have all the cohesion and networks and faith that the franks do not. If this were not a sponsored fake color revolution jihad, would lead all the way to the franks enslaved in the new caliphate.

A2 says:

It’s still not taken all that seriously by the authorities. As far as I’m aware (misc news reports only): no curfews, no shooting of curfew breakers, no army units in the streets, no cutting of power and water, etc. Just another freak out in the ghetto. So they want everyone to calm down and go back home, police style. (Mistakenly IMO.)

A2 says:

I see that France is now considering imposing a state of emergency. Well, let’s see how things turn out.

The important point would, however, really not me quashing another kebab spree but a public turn from merely half-heartedly policing growing brown slums (muslim slums at that) into actually getting rid of the slums and slum dwellers.

Aidan says:

They could easily shut it down if they tried. But shutting it down would be offensive to the real sovereign in the US, and to a lesser extent, the US’ satrap in the EU.

Roger Williams says:

That there is not one peep about this on US mainstream news sources makes it rather obvious that the US supports the riots.

Skippy says:

Muslims really don’t matter at all. They would lose a straight fight even if they were 80% of the population. It’s entirely GAE astroturf. Whites vs Muslims is a great GAE con to get the most effective men in the world fighting the most patriarchal men in the world.

jim says:

1. It is rarely a straight fight.

2 Christendom and Dal al Islam have been going at it for thirteen centuries, and they have been doing OK.

Skippy says:

Islam and Christianity are both Middle Eastern religions.

“Islam” has pushed close to the borders of Western Christendom when carried by white Anatolians and Yugoslavs. But never much beyond.

ten says:

They took all of byzantium and northern africa and still have it.

If you just forget everything we lost to them, sure they never won anything..

Red says:

Then there’s the destruction of 97% Roman and Greek knowledge caused by Islam destroying the Roman trade system with piracy and slave raiding. We only have 2 books of the 5 books Written by Homer because of those camel fuckers.

Skippy says:

Byzantium and North Africa were never part of Western civilization. They swapped Christianity for Islam in a social context in which these were actually quite similar ideas. Spengler makes this clearest, with his division of the world into Magian and Faustian. While there is certainly something alien about Islam, there was also much alien about Byzantium.

Muslims (mostly, I guess, because of their racial makeup) just aren’t that good at fighting. Observant muslims also have to reject science, and while many cultural Muslims can be fine scientists, this is going to be more a problem the more “Islamic” any Muslim power accumulation gets.

Ultimately total world Muslim power just isn’t that much. They’re a clear fourth behind GAE, China, Russia. Probably behind even countries like India and Vietnam. Could all the Islamic power in the world successfully invade Vietnam, even given no outside intervention? Probably not. If the French are allowed to clear the Muslims out of their country they’ll be gone in a few months.

jim says:

I don’t think the problem is their racial makeup. Islam is multiracial. The problem rather is that Mohammed preached an inconstant arbitrary and changeable God.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Islamic discourse reached a peak reductive signaling feedback loop with Al-Ghazali, and his specter has haunted it ever since.

Averroes tried to swerve the tide and Make Islam Aristotelian Again, but his was ultimately a futile effort.

Skippy says:

“I don’t think the problem is their racial makeup. Islam is multiracial. The problem rather is that Mohammed preached an inconstant arbitrary and changeable God.”

You would be right if we were facing really devout Muslims, but in reality most Muslims are about as Muslim as Christians are Christian. It’s a market that serves to identify and separate two communities whose real grounds for hostility are race and nationality. The North Africans in France, though much more capable of organized warfare than US blacks, just aren’t that good at organized warfare.

i says:

@jim

What I noticed is that right at the beginning Dar al Islam has been badly defeating the Christians in battle.

With timely interventions by Gnon to prevent Christians from being completely overrun.

But as the centuries wore on. Christians grew in strength and power faster than Islam as well as learning various lessons in the process.

GNON allowed Islam to afflict Christendom to train his faithful.

Javier says:

History stubbornly refuses to end.

Doom says:

Ooooo a teenager shot by the huWhite police in a traffic stop.. the audio leaked… and then a riot??

I swear the people who arrange this shit are getting lazy. I pray that the Frenchmen have the stones to fix this issue.

Rux says:

It’s almost comical. A ready made ‘justice pour..’ slogan plastered on papers right on time for the Tour de France for some kid with no surname(s) and a cop who also remains nameless. They’re not even trying.

Javier says:

funny enough, like the floyd riots, the French police were ordered to stand down and allow the peaceful rioters to peacefully loot murder and rape. they did for a couple days, but then the cops said fuckit and started busting heads, and are now putting down the riots. unfortunately they seem to mostly be using clubs instead of bullets, but it’s a good start. I’m sure in the aftermath there will be a move against the police by the government, and that’s when things get really interesting.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

If a man is holding a gun in your face, and you make a move that is in defiance of him, there is a good chance you will get shot, even if the man holding a gun in your face was not planning on shooting anyone that day.

Some might think it is simply a matter of common sense, or even just basic survival instinct, to not play around with a man holding a gun in your face. So how, then, did Abu acquire the confident notion that if he defied the man in a police uniform holding a gun in his face, that nothing bad would happen to him as a consequence?

Well obviously, because the state preachers have been telling him that.

You see the same pattern play out everywhere in the provinces of the Whig Empire. Pet tropical janissaries are told they are morally insuperable, that any native depreciated citizens have no leave to cross their path, and that any merely official exponents of social ordination are by definition in the wrong if they accost them. Which inevitably leads to the former playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes every time they encounter the later. And which in turn leads to further profitable rounds of pearl-clutching about ‘systemic brutality’. A nice self-licking ice cream cone.

Hesiod says:

Mighty fine meme from brother Vox Day:

https://voxday.net/2023/07/01/authority-vs-democracy/

Goes well with Reflections of a Russian Stateman I’m currently working through.

The Cominator says:

Glowniggers are starting to take a greater interest in us… we have a shill thread on /pol right now.

https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/432902885
Previous glownigger policy was that NRx type thought was such an evil dark and unspeakable thoughtcrimes that we should pretend it didn’t exist as naming it would give us power.

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/tnum/432902885/

notglowing says:

I don’t think one person making a 4chan thread is proof of interest from the government, to be honest. That seems fairly paranoid.

The Cominator says:

It’s clearly a shill/glownigger thread. I’m dropping redpills as are others in response.

jim says:

Paranoia is totally justified. Government and quasi government funded and supervised shills and entryists are all over the place.

The Cominator says:

I wonder if the thread indicates some kind of change in policy.

jim says:

It is a change from being one hundred percent oblivious to our memes.

Fidelis says:

They’re still 100% oblivious. This is in response to your commentary on the slavic civil war, nothing about WQ or Christian nationalism or anything remotely like that.

Carlylean Restorationist says:

lol Christian Nationalism…..
[*deleted for wildly misrepresenting the Christian red pill*]

jim says:

Not what the red pill is. Not what Christian Nationalists say it is. Not what Christians who use the term red pill say it is.

Fidelis says:

“zigger” is a huge tell. My favorite shill test on /pol/ is, “you’re a white nationalist, say something nice about white people”. They cannot, and always reply with obviously fake ingenious nazi bullshit and deflection, and it makes ot clear even to retards that this is a shill. I mention this shill test because no one ever using the word “zigger” has managed to pass it.

jim says:

That is a great shill test.

And the reason it works is that anything nice about white people is a thought crime, and they are being supervised by Shaniqua, who is being supervised by a dot Indian, who is being supervised by a Jew, who is being supervised by Soros or Blinken.

Random says:

What sort of things thst are good to say about whites do they find impossible?

Science
Math
High trust civilization
Ended slavery
Rule of law
Attractive and tall
Medicine

?
Whats the issue? Is there something im missing?

Carlylean Restorationist says:

Whites are strong, creative and pro-social, and wherever they go they improve things.
But even if they didn’t, the kinds of unimpressive, filthy, shit-stained people who hate them are so despicable it’d still make sense to side with the whites anyway.

If people prefer abstract values to their own race, they’re part of the problem.

ten says:

You’re missing that it’s a shill test. If you are supervised by shaniqua, you are not allowed to say that any of these things are white things.

Red says:

Niggers are utterly convinced they invented everything. They learned nothing else from school besides that “we waz kangz”.

alf says:

Check the comments made by OP in that thread and compare with the shills in our own comment section. Indistinguishable.

Vendat Tunicam says:

Speaking of older NRx names brought up on the 4chan thread (by older I mean post pre-cambrian explosion as Nick Land termed it on Xenosystems but before the big die off around the time when Trump took office), whatever happened to Henry Dampier? He was based!

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

>rejects stable bureaucratic systems

lmfao

certifiable mask off moment there

Red says:

What’s going on with twitter:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/07/01/elon-musk-is-self-immolating-on-twitter-and-being-disingenuous-about-the-reasoning/

KD link:
https://archive.fo/wip/BGeaG

There is no business model where Twitter is financially viable to operate…. UNLESS the tech architecture under the platform was subsidized.

[NOTE: In my opinion, there is only one technological system and entity that could possibly have underwritten the cost of Twitter to operate. That entity is the United States Government. That’s where the quid pro quo in allowing DHS to have a backdoor comes in.]

Roger Williams says:

Musk doesn’t want anyone scrapping the data to be used for training LLMs. I’m guessing he’s going to sell it or use it for his own AI.

Red says:

It’s not explicitly stated in the article, but the cathedral has killed advertising on twitter and google jacked up their data rates to basically destroy twitter. The plan is to replace it with meta’s new twitter system.

alf says:

Huh that’s rough. Musk is really attracting the eye of Sauron. Which means he is doing a lot of stuff right. But he is in a tough position.

Owning the biggest online town square is great. But really what Musk wants to own is the church’s megaphone. Twitter equals a megaphone, but not that of the church, although arguably it was the cathedral’s biggest megaphone before Musk bought them out. Still, without a replacement religion duct-taped to his Twitter megaphone, not going anywhere.

So far the priesting part. What about the warrior part?

The story is Musk has space superiority. Let’s call it his space PMC. That’s pretty cool. The problem is that he needs to be able to communicate his space PMC power to his enemies, similar to how Prigozhin communicated his Wagner power to the Kremlin by marching on Moscow. A deadman’s switch is not enough, because no one ever believes the underdog is as powerful as he says he is.

Starman says:

@alf

“Still, without a replacement religion duct-taped to his Twitter megaphone, not going anywhere.”

Ad Astra.

Contaminated NEET says:

Elon has neither the understanding nor the balls to win this fight. He blundered into challenging the entire American establishment without even knowing that’s what he was doing, so he’s not ready practically or psychologically to do what it would take. He knew he’d get some pushback, sure, but he thought it’d be on the order of the flak he took for smoking weed with Joe Rogan; he didn’t think he’d become public enemy number two.

jim says:

Elon has plenty of balls and very good understanding, but he suffers from normality bias, which led him to blunder into this disastrous fight.

His natural inclination and abilities are to solve it by pulling some techno wizardry out of his hat, the much promised X everything app.

Thing is, money has to flow over the everything app – which runs headfirst into the cabal controlling fiat. No way is he ever going to get fiat flowing through his X everything app. Meanwhile Nostr and Zap have money flowing through them – though they suck. Normality bias means he has been outflanked on social tech. But Nostr and Zap are not social networks, they are protocols on which anyone can build a social network, and no end of people with a good eye for the main chance are attempting to do so, which I hope and expect will solve the suckage. If Elon Musk is going to pull a tech rabbit out of his hat, has to integrate Nostr and Zap into Twitter and his X everything app. Which may well result in him being promoted from public enemy number two to public enemy number one.

He is deluded about the likelihood of fiat money flowing through his X everything app, because WeChat got permission from the Communist Party of China. But WeChat is a wholly owned subsdiary of the Chinese Communist Party. Twitter could only get permission if it was a wholly owned subsidiary of Harvard and Washington.

Contaminated NEET says:

>If Elon Musk is going to pull a tech rabbit out of his hat, has to integrate Nostr and Zap into Twitter and his X everything app. Which may well result in him being promoted from public enemy number two to public enemy number one.

Oh man, that would be great. They’d probably just kill him at that point, but by the time they realized it, it might be too late to stop it.

Starman says:

@Contaminated NEET

What is the current orbital launch capability of the jew brahmin class right now?

Contaminated NEET says:

I dunno. I guess it’s whatever Elon has, because right now Elon does it for them, and if that ever changes, they can crush him into fine powder and take what’s his for themselves. Will it then rapidly rust into nothing under the stewardship of Engineerette Jahneekia? Probably. But they don’t know that. And Elon still gets crushed, so he’s in their power.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Unless Elon sees the writing on the wall and defects to Russia. So what if bad things happen to his family; the Jews were planning to turn all his kids into trannies anyway.

Starman says:

@Contaminated NEET

”I dunno. I guess it’s whatever Elon has, because right now Elon does it for them, and if that ever changes, they can crush him into fine powder and take what’s his for themselves. Will it then rapidly rust into nothing under the stewardship of Engineerette Jahneekia? Probably. But they don’t know that. And Elon still gets crushed, so he’s in their power.”

Again, what is the current orbital launch capability of the jews right now, you retarded mediocrity?

Starman says:

@jim

“Elon has plenty of balls and very good understanding, but he suffers from normality bias,”

If you’re wondering how much normality bias Elon Musk has.

It’s about the same amount of normality bias that Lucius Cornelius Sulla had.

“Perhaps we need a modern day Sulla”

Carte Blanche says:

There is no business model where Twitter is financially viable to operate…. UNLESS the tech architecture under the platform was subsidized.

He’s not exactly wrong, per se; Twitter obviously does not have and has never had a profitable business model, they use the standard web two dot oh underpants gnome model (“entice users with free service”, “…”, “monetize!”).

However, I really don’t think following the money is going to turn up a substantive direct or indirect link to the CIA or NSA or State department or any other .gov entity. Like most paleocon types, the CTH guys have trouble understanding distributed systems and drastically underestimate both the number and the combined wealth of NGOs, angel investors, ad agencies and other institutional entities who will pay into the platform in order to advance their own interests, as well as a lot of generally wealthy shitlibs who can be suckered into the deal for cake frosting.

Twitter (pre-Musk), and businesses like Twitter, do not need and would likely not take subsidies. Corporate welfare is crass, crude, low status (in their eyes) and beneath their station; tapping into the vast sea of gray-market slush funds, kickbacks, partnerships, government “contracts”, and other “investors”, that’s high status. It means they’re hot property, everyone wants a piece. In their world, profitability is secondary to all of that.

When you put it all together, a few billion dollars here and there is a rounding error, and although it’s barely legal and the government could easily put a stop to it and thus the government is in many ways “responsible” for the platform’s apparent success, it is not materially the same as being government-funded, and legacy conservatives continue to shoot themselves in the foot year after year by remaining rooted in the Reagan-era logic that everything is either private/corporate (good) or public/government (bad). It’s like the 2020 election fraud; they just can’t process the idea that an entire federal election was stolen by perhaps a few hundred fat negresses working overtime in the one dozen ballot offices of the megalopoli, so they’ll fall for some retarded shill narrative about the big scary company manufacturing the big scary voting machines. It’s not one big conspiracy, it’s a hundred little conspiracies run by ideologically- and tribally-motivated actors.

Red &c are quite right to point out that now that Musk owns it, and doesn’t want to play by their rules, he’s being disconnected from the money spigot, which means he has to actually make a profit, or fold. Since the business model is not even remotely profitable, making it so is going to be a tall order; it’s likely all he can do in the short term to stop the bleeding, which is what these strange and seemingly self-destructive short-term decisions are probably about.

The Cominator says:

“Twitter (pre-Musk), and businesses like Twitter, do not need and would likely not take subsidies. Corporate welfare is crass, crude, low status (in their eyes) and beneath their station; tapping into the vast sea of gray-market slush funds, kickbacks, partnerships, government “contracts”, and other “investors”, that’s high status”

Thats government money it’s just the source is hidden.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Which is true, but also a less informative truth.

When one says ‘such and such is inflated by tax money’, the first thing that comes to most people’s minds is, ‘so where is it in the congressional budget?’, at which point you end up needing to explain the whole system of responsibility laundering anyways.

The Cominator says:

It’s part of the black budget most likely…

Red says:

Nah, it’s simpler than that. Twitters ads were shit in terms dollar per interaction. They didn’t have the sort of effect data targeting that Instagram and Facebook does. So Cathedral connected companies would buy twitter ads despite them being shit in order to prop twitter up.

Guy says:

I think advertising for most big companies has been that for a long time now, if not forever. There has got to be some small value for a small company to get their name out there buying some targeted advertising, but it’s mostly just a pretense for money to change hands.

Red says:

At least a few years ago when I last looked into it Instagram and Facebook both provided outstanding return for advertising bucks due to their big data targeting of ads. Places like google and twitter certainly did not provide much value. Paying for fake reviews on google maps is more effective than buying an ad on google.

Though in recent years Advertising has become more about of spreading demon worship than actually advertising the product. Such departments tend to be run by progressive women.

Related Stonetoss:

https://stonetoss.com/comic/burger-kang/

Carte Blanche says:

King Boomer has previously written about this. Since the early 1980s it’s been generally known, and quietly swept under the rug, that advertising doesn’t really work: https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-the-power-of-tv-advertising-has-been-overstated/

And for the last 20 years or so, the intelligent and well-connected have known that PR is vastly more effective, dollar for dollar, than conventional advertising: http://paulgraham.com/submarine.html

(although Paul, unfortunately, also grossly underestimated the ability of shills to infest and co-opt the online platforms; they had to adapt their methods, but adapt they did.)

I think most people in advertising have at least a vague feeling that advertising either doesn’t work at all, or doesn’t work as well as advertised, but their jobs depend on not noticing, so they train themselves not to notice.

Carte Blanche says:

Cathedral connected companies would buy twitter ads despite them being shit in order to prop twitter up

Yes, that happens, and I think it is equal parts cynicism and idiocy.

That is, to the best of my knowledge there aren’t ad buyers who actually buy on the basis of “let’s do this to prop up Twitter”. At least, I’ve never met them.

What I do see, nearly ubiquitously, is marketing directors and buyers with exceptionally good crimestop. They are utterly convinced that these ads are effective despite a total lack of evidence, or in some cases able to dredge up “evidence” by finding highly-suspect correlations in highly-suspect analytics data. If they are acting out of more cynical motives, then they do a very good job of keeping that to themselves.

Other times the corporate incentives effectively (or explicitly) require them to use certain platforms and so they’ll spend any amount of time rationalizing the choice and making it look like a wise financial investment because that’s how they get their bonus or avoid being fired. It’s literally in their OKRs to buy $X million worth of Twitter ads, and their end-of-year review depends on how well those ads appear to perform, so by the end of the year, they’ll have amassed quite a collection of lipstick to put on that pig.

For the engineers and techies here, imagine being put in charge of migrating an existing product or system to a platform you hate and know is garbage. If you’ve got brass balls, you might torpedo the project, make it fail on purpose, but if you’re like most salarymen, you go along and try to make it work. And since you know that any problems caused exclusively by the new platform will get blamed on you anyway, you try to fix those too, or hide them, and generally make it appear that it’s an overall improvement, even though part of you knows that it’s a downgrade.

There are definitely some people in the system, C-suiters, who are fully aware of the corporate circle-jerk, but the majority are oblivious drones. It’s not like HR, where every individual cat lady exudes concentrated evil; in marketing and advertising the evil is diffused over committees and incentives.

But you also mustn’t forget the investors. Twitter has received nearly $13B in investment funds: https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/twitter/company_financials
…and that’s with a market cap of just $40B. In other words, nearly a third of their entire company valuation (and far more than their actual revenue) comes from literal slush funds, both domestic (Sequoia Capital, Fidelity) and foreign (Binance, Qatar Holding). Everyone should check out their list of investors, it’s publicly available and quite eye-opening on its own.

Carlylean Restorationist says:

[*deleted for gross ignorance of how bitcoin works*]

jim says:

These issues have been discussed elsewhere at considerable length by people better informed.

Carlylean Restorationist says:

[*deleted*]

jim says:

Your script is tired, and has been more than adequately addressed in the usual bitcoin forums. If this was the bitcoin maximalist group on gab, I suppose someone might bother addressing it. Again.

I am not going to.

Carlylean Restorationist says:

You’re unbelievably slimy. I try not to call people Feds.
You have got a real knack of diverting attention from the role of jews though, so it’s quite likely you’re jewish, and I’ve thought so for a long time now.

Your deletions have nothing to do with the argument concerning inflation and crypto and everything to do with covering up the fact sam bankman-fried and gary gensler are jews, and the big game-changer is the introduction, once CZ and Brian Armstrong are off the scene, of a more suitable exchange run by or on behalf of blackrock and goldman.

My claim is absolutely not to be found on crypto forums, and it’s this: jews are too greedy to resist crypto in the end,[*ignorant and ridiculous incomprehension of bitcoin deleted*]

jim says:

Allowing your stuff about Jews through because you accurate reported some of the most visible characteristics of whites.

That you were able to do this surprises me, for on Gab precisely none of the JooJooJooers have been able to do this. But you have always been pushing a different script, I conclude you are of a different shilling organization.

That Jews are finally getting into crypto – very belatedly and after the price has risen enormously, is unsurprising. Jews are terrible at finance, good at making themselves powerful servants of the powerful. The rise and fall of the Rothschilds illustrates this, that Jews are just not very good at finance. They got into finance as the King’s sponges and have never changed that strategy.

But that Jews are finally buying bitcoin is not particularly alarming or newsworthy. No one should care. No one is paying attention because no one cares. Nothing is wrong or surprising about Jews finally getting in on the bandwagon. What should be newsworthy are what Soros, Blinken, and Nuland intend to do with the Ukraine, a topic I have discussed here and elsewhere many times.

Are you able to comment on this, able to comment on my many comments on this subject – or are you going to go on being strangely oblivious to a genuinely Jewish, genuinely evil plot by genuinely powerful Jews to get whites to kill each other?

Talk about the Ukraine, and I will allow your Jew stuff through. If you genuinely have Jews on your bonnet, you should be talking about the Ukraine all the time.

If you want people to worry about Jews and think about Jews, stupid bitcoin nonsense is not going to do it. Talking about brother war in the Ukraine is going to do it. Jews do not understand Bitcoin. It is a white thing, created by white thinking. And you understand it considerably less. Stirring up brother wars, that they understand.

No one who cares about bitcoin is likely to worry about Jews on the outside knocking on the door asking to be allowed in. Once in, they will look for the King and offer to be his sponges, and not find him.

Carlylean Restorationist says:

[*unresponsive*]

Carte Blanche says:

sam bankman-fried

…is facing 115 years in a federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison. Not quite sure if that’s the home run you were hoping for, homeboy.

If SBF “proves” anything, and I’m really going out on a limb here, it’s the same thing that Madoff “proved” – that some Jews actually believe the same stupid shit that you believe and consequently think (incorrectly) that they can get away with anything, when in reality it’s simply loyalty or disloyalty to the regime that gets rewarded or punished.

gary gensler

…married an Italian, likely a Catholic, and had 3 kids with her. Good example of a devout progressive; terrible example of a Joo Joo Joo keepin’ the Judaic faith. Unfortunately they’re all daughters, so we can’t ask if they’re circumsized.

Carlylean Restorationist says:

SBF isn’t in jail yet! It wouldn’t be surprising if he did end up in jail the same way as (((madoff))) et al……….. and jewish power/corruption isn’t at all disproved by the fact they throw their own under the bus from time to time.
Jews are not omnipotent and jews are not invulnerable. They’re just massively corrupt.

[*perfectly accurate rant on grossly disproportionate Jewish quasi state power deleted, for strangely ignoring everything that makes Jewish quasi state power a problem and everything bad and damaging that those Jews are doing with that power*]

jim says:

The problem with your rant is that it is totally envy and covetousness based. Not allowed.

You have to argue wicked deeds and damaging consequences. Of which there is ample supply. Not allowing envy and covetousness through.

You did not even attempt to muddy the water with imaginary and ridiculous flat earth tier wicked deeds and harmful consequences as the usual JooJooJoo shills do. If you do attempt to muddy the water, when there is an ample supply of very real wicked deeds and very real damaging consequences to talk about, not going to allow that either.

There is nothing wrong with any person or group having a great deal of wealth and power. And it does not matter how they obtained that wealth and power, unless they obtained it by wicked deeds, or the way they obtained it has harmful consequences, or unless the methods by which they obtained that wealth and power give them incentive to use it in wicked and harmful ways, as for example Blackrock.

And I am not going to allow through anything that presupposes and takes for granted that there is. That is the mentality of crabs in a crab bucket. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.

Carlylean Restorationist says:

It’s a shame you are how you are, but I can’t change it. I always get so irritated with this that it’s hard to resist trying to put right flagrant misrepresentations.
After a while though it’s just not worth it so I bugger off again, and this time (a rash promise!) it’ll be for good.

*sigh* no doubt you’ll grin your self-satisfied grin as you censor this, and look at the end of the day it’s your bloody blog lol

But for what it’s worth, my objection to being RULED by jews has nothing to do with the fact they’re getting rich out of the situation. I couldn’t care less, ceteris paribus, if jews use their ethnic networks to give each other jobs and invest in each other’s companies.

What I care about is that the ADL decides who can speak and who can’t, the SEC decides who can and can’t run a crypto exchange (for example) and the Attorney General is using lawfare to destroy white people’s lives out of ethnic animus.

None of that has anything at all to do with envy or covetousness.

Jews are a threat to my safety.

You’ll never allow this through because you yourself are a Jew and the entire operation here is to make sure people never focus unduly on this aspect of the shittiness of modernity.

jim says:

This presupposes the shill script that it is the Jews, nothing but the Jews, and all the Jews. All those other leftists are supposedly just fine. I have two posts responding to this shill script. Respond to them or I am going to censor you for repetition and unresponsiveness.

Allowing this shill script through because you have been able to mention Soros and something of what makes whites better – that being ruled by whites is obviously beneficial for those ruled.

But I am subsequently going to censor it on grounds of repetition and unresponsiveness. Also, you have a marked tendency to focus on idiotic and trivial stuff that Jews are doing wrong. How about talking about the Ukraine, where Jews have arranged the deaths of a few hundred thousand whites, are on track to arrange the deaths of a million or so, and will quite likely get us nuked?

If you don’t pay adequate attention to what matters, I am going to start censoring on grounds of triviality, distraction, and muddying the waters. Irrelevant truths and half truths are also mud in the water.

It is obviously not “nothing but the Jews”, though Jews are grossly overrepresented among those that rule us. The worship of the Mighty and Awesome Covid Demon looks more like the Jesuits than the Jews. Jews are not overrepresented in the jab and lockdown conspiracies, and not grossly overrepresented in Antifa command and control, though the funding and protection of Antifa goes through Soros.. And its obviously not “all the Jews”. The Orthodox Jews are more vigorously excluded from power than Christians. And recall the drama over Trump moving the embassy to Jerusalem. The outrage was from rich powerful progressive Jews. Those are the guys who hate Israel and Israelis. And recall the reaction of rich and powerful Jews to the Crown Heights pogrom -they loved it.

Give all leftists swimming lessons in the Pacific, leftism goes away. Gas all Jews, nothing much changes.

Also, you are unable to acknowledge the Jewish modus operandi. Supposedly Jews are just smarter than us Goy cattle. Or maybe nepotism. Supposedly Jews are in power because they have always been in power. Not so. Jews get into power by making themselves useful to those in power who want to do the dirty on their subjects. Soros got started by making himself useful to the Nazis. Jewish conspiracies get into power by making themselves useful to native overlords who want to do the dirty on their native subjects, and then that conspiracy, and sometimes the entire Jewish population, gets purged for being dangerously powerful and insufficiently loyal to their native overlords. If the entire Jewish population is not purged, that conspiracy generally gets replaced by another Jewish conspiracy which hates the previous Jewish conspiracy, as Soros and the rest hates the Rothschilds. Jewish overrepresentation in finance is not because they are good at finance. They are quite noticeably worse at it than whites, just as they are quite noticeably worse than whites at hands on physical science and hands on engineering and technology, though atheist Jews are noticeably better than at abstract purely theoretical science. (Interestingly, orthodox Jews are strikingly and conspicuously worse at science and technology across the board, which indicates a problem with Judaism rather than biological Jewishness.) Their role in finance, as for example Soros, is a continuation of their ancient role as the King’s sponges. Soros is a money laundry, a cut out through which the State Department funds subversion and color revolution. Blackrock is a cutout through which ESG and DEI is enforced.

Remove the Jewish middlemen, the hostile native elites will just employ dot Indians. They already are. Jews are rapidly losing ground to dot Indians. Our dot Indian problem is comparable to our Jew problem, and is very rapidly growing,

The current Jewish conspiracy, Blinken et al, is likely to get purged for disaster in the Ukraine. And will be replaced by another conspiracy. Maybe another Jewish conspiracy, a Jewish conspiracy that hates the Blinken et al and Rothschilds conspiracies both. Quite possibly a dot Indian or Jesuit conspiracy. Jewish conspiracies tend to be short lived because two Jews, three factions, while the Jesuit and FreeMason conspiracies have been running for centuries. Harvard rules us, and has ruled us long before they allowed Jews in. If you focus on Jews, you are focusing on the matador’s cape, and ignoring the matador’s sword.

SJ says:

I’ll just add for any jew jew jew loser that the envy stuff is pure loser talk. If you look at the Jews and hate them for taking good care of their children and ensuring they get good careers then you are a covetous loser. You may read the Bible and say God or Moses wants us to not covet our neighbors stuff because they want to control us and prevent us from equalizing the wealth they unfairly stole. You think this way because you are a loser and a bucket crab, and thinking with this victim consciousness will ensure you remain a loser forever.

You should look at the Jew who takes care of his kids and has some wealth with respect and rather than wanting to take what he has you should want to learn how he got it. You should look at the Jew with several children getting good careers and say, that’s awesome I want to know how so my children can get good careers as well. We just put an end to this victim consciousness loser think.

ten says:

How surprising he didn’t respond to this. Doesn’t matter how many times he gets a “jews bad” back to his “jooooo you’re a jooo because you don’t say jooos bad”, just keeps repeating it.

But what does it mean to be a king’s sponge? Doesn’t register. Excuse my poor english.

jim says:

Christianity forbids usury, interest on loans against the person.

Kings allowed Jews to practice usury, and enforced debts against the person. Then they would “borrow” money from the Jews, and not pay it back. Thus the Jews mopped up money as a sponge mops up water, and the money was squeezed out of them by the King as one squeezes water out of a sponge.

Aryaman says:

I actually think Jews are very good at finance qua finance. Maybe not at managing massive capitalist enterprises, not at being the Howard Hughs’ or Henry Singletons or Steve Jobs’ or Henry Fords of the world, and not at hands on physical science especially as it relates to large scale commercial application.

But at finance qua finance, they are fantastic. Or rather, they are disproportionately represented among the fantastic, and not only because of nepotism or whatever. (And provided other things are not wrong, the finance qua finance function is rather important. )

jim says:

Sam Bankman-Fried is an absolutely typical and representative example of Jewish over-representation in finance, and he is an ignorant incompetent idiot. He was in the Bitcoin business, and it is completely obvious that he never understood bitcoin.

Take a look at any important and powerful Jew in finance. He is not operating it to maximize profit, but to serve the state, as for example Blackrock and Soros. He is performing the Jew’s old role as the King’s sponges.

That the Jews are overrepresented in finance is neither ability nor nepotism. It is that native elites can rely on foreigners to do the dirty on their subjects.

Sam Bankman-Fried probably did not get his position through nepotism and he certainly did not get it through ability. He got it through believably hating white people, and thus believably hating bitcoiners, and being dumb enough that when given a heresy check the dumb person checking him for heresy would not suspect heresy. Smart people try to make sense out of leftism, and therefore get falsely suspected of heresy, as for example Scott Alexander.

Aryaman says:

Scam bank fraud is exactly what he looks like but I don’t think a fair example (a fair example of a Jew fraud in finance, but not a fair example of a Jew in finance).

Take a look at any important and powerful Jew in finance. He is not operating it to maximize profit, but to serve the state, as for example Blackrock and Soros.

I am thinking more of a David Tepper, or David Siegel (or maybe Jim Simons though that is more complicated). Could share plenty of other names but those come to mind that my knowing wouldn’t help identify me in any way.

Wouldn’t it be surprising the hit rate some kinds of Jews have in theoretical physics wouldn’t carry over to finance?

Aryaman says:

In other words, Scam Banking Fraud is exactly the kind of Jew (who is so barely Jew, I doubt he cares very much what happens in Jerusalem; I doubt he even has the brains to process it) they are happy to get in bed with.

look at a guy like Bill ackman. He’s still hopelessly deluded by random liberal fantasies but he spends his time on Twitter liking tweets by Vivek Ramaswamy about declaring war on Mexican cartels and closing the border, and got rich for reasons other than doing the dirty work of progressive elites.

in other words I guess the distinction is p(a|b) vs p(b|a) — meaning, scam bank fraud is a great example of a fraud, and it’s probable most major finance frauds of a particular kind are jews, but I don’t think the other way holds.

Aryaman says:

Remove the Jewish middlemen, the hostile native elites will just employ dot Indians. They already are. Jews are rapidly losing ground to dot Indians. Our dot Indian problem is comparable to our Jew problem, and is very rapidly growing,

there are a whole bunch of horrible Indians apparently in power in America. I think this is relevant to the question of whether there is a grand Jewish conspiracy, but I can vociferously attest to the fact that there is not some grand dot Indian conspiracy, or maybe a whole bunch of local conspiracies. Certainly no global conspiracy, maybe a bunch of local conspiracies here and there, and from time to time.

to the extent there are horrible Indians posturing horrible things, they are entirely in thrall of prevailing leftism. which isn’t to absolve them of whatever it is they’re doing.

jim says:

There is no global Jewish conspiracy either. Two Jews, three factions. But some Jewish conspiracies are alarmingly powerful, and doing terrible things.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

The likes of SBF are a dime a dozen in financialization laundromats. George Soros, Bernie Madoff, Larry Fink… they’re all in the business of throwing good money after bad, and ones that aren’t in this business are exceptions that prove the rule.

The point of ‘finance’ as an industry is for a holder of capital who is not an expert in every subject matter in existence to be able to invest in this or that person who is expert in a subject matter but lacks capital to more fully realize exploitation of such expertise; it is means by which capital may be mobilized to further protency-facilitating activities beyond what any one party is organizationally capable of, in short.

Adjudicating worthwhile ventures to invest in – worthwhile men to invest in – takes world-formation capacity, something which the skype as a genera is typically lacking in.

Carlylean Restorationist says:

Sorry if this is in the wrong place…. can’t see any other reply buttons for this thread.
Here’s what this is in response to (and I’m not ignoring the rest of the post, or the links provided: it’s just this stood out)
Quote from Jim:

“How about talking about the Ukraine, where Jews have arranged the deaths of a few hundred thousand whites, are on track to arrange the deaths of a million or so, and will quite likely get us nuked?”

Robert Kagan is probably a distant relation of Lazar Kaganovich, who was responsible for the Ukrainian forced famine. As the libertarian figurehead Michael Malice points out, your own stomach would betray you: if they saw you weren’t starving to death, you must be hoarding food, and should be punished.
Kagan/Kaganovich is of course a Russified form of Cohen, or the priestly caste within Jewish society (no oxymoron intended).
A handful of jews *fairly important to* the current Ukraine situation:

Victoria Nuland, Anthony Blinken, Volodomyr Zelenskiyy, Yevgeny Pregozhin, Janet Yellen

Notably enough, the US President is not jewish…. but ALL of his living children are married to jews, making ALL of his grandchildren jews.

The Fed chair Powell is not jewish, but he’s clearly the patsy for the next financial crisis thanks to his uncharacteristically hawkish rate hikes. (You don’t have to buy into Chicago School neo-Keynesian neo-classical witchcraft in order to accept that rigging the price of future money in this direction rather than the other has ‘hawkish’ effects, to some extent at least, or if not even that much, clearly enough people believe it that he will still be blamed.)

The current NATO head isn’t jewish either, as far as I know, but the transition from “Russia is insane for launching a paranoid war over ridiculous fears of Ukraine joining NATO” to “obviously Ukraine should be fast-tracked for NATO membership” bears all the hallmarks of what could be called ‘the mainstream media’.

The CEOs of the television networks in America, as well as the principals of all the Ivy League Schools, are jewish, as are the vast majority of the high-ranking bankers, and indeed the commentators in every direction, from Larry Summers to Jim Cramer to Peter Schiff lol

Even the dissident movements are characterised by an astonishing over-representation of jews, given that they constitute some 2% of the US population. Consider NRx being led by Curtis Yarvin, the paleo-cons being led by I forget the name but you know who I mean; libertarianism is full of Mises, Rothbard, Rand, Friedman, Block and so on……. and of course nationalism, with Ezra Levant, Ron Unz, Milo, Laura Loomer, Jacob Wohl, etc. etc. etc.

It’s just not plausible that this is a coincidence.

[*Deleted for the usual Joo Joo Joo hobby horses*]

jim says:

The reason that Jews are grossly overrepresented on the dissident right is that this is a priestly movement, and Jews are inherently good at priesting. Also atheist Jews are inherently good at abstract science, though piss poor at finance, physical engineering, physical science, and art. (Compare Jewish synagogues with Cathedrals, Jewish art with white art.)

The Fed chairman Powell is currently trying to save the US economy from immediate financial collapse by raising interest rates to near the inflation rate. This is likely to result in eventual economic collapse, as the underlying problem of spending too much and producing too little remains, but it can postpone collapse for a very long time. It is also likely to very soon detonate the fake and gay GDP production of the blue state megalopoli, which is going to make him unpopular.

The great resetters want the immediate total collapse of the real US economy to be replaced by a completely fake and gay command socialist economy. Which is a completely lunatic plan to immanentize the eschaton that is making some in our elite nervous.

Carlylean Restorationist says:

[*stretching a mighty long distance to link Jews to Covid deleted.*]

jim says:

If you follow a sufficient number of degrees of separation, you can find a Jew from your starting point. Also a Scotsman, Englishman, Italian, Catholic, Mason, and so on and so forth.

You put so much effort to explaining how Jews benefit from Covid, while strangely oblivious to what motivates the Ukraine crowd.

A2 says:
Fidelis says:

The Fed chairman Powell is currently trying to save the US economy from immediate financial collapse by raising interest rates to near the inflation rate.

Looks more like GAE is cannibalizing all of its provinces to save itself. Pushing rates higher on the dallah is pushing its relative value up too high next to the other inflated currencies. Its gonna pop all the foreign banks while the physical economy suffers energy crunch. Bad time to be a euro. Nips and gooks might be okay selling finished goods to Indians and SEAsians, but the (relatively) strong dollar is really fucking with their banks all the same.

jim says:

When the tide goes out, you know who has been swimming naked.

A lot of people are going to go down. It is obvious that the blue state megalopoli are turning into Detroit. Those big empty office buildings and big empty shopping centers have a pile of debt on them, and everyone is in denial, because to notice Detroitization is a thought crime. They are like Wily Coyote standing over the abyss, and not looking down, for when he looks down, he will fall.

alf says:

Pushing rates higher on the dallah is pushing its relative value up too high next to the other inflated currencies.

I assume your reasoning is that higher interest rate means higher demand for the dollar relative to the euro, meaning dollar-based products are more expensive for Euros. Two questions:

1 – This may be a dumb one, but what dollar-based products exactly is Europe buying from America? I assume it’s not so much actual products as some sort of political tribute.

2 – What’s stopping the ECB from equally raising euro interest rates? Last time I checked the dollar is at 6%, but the euro is not far behind at 5%

Fidelis says:

@alf

It’s not necessarily american goods that are bought. Reserve currency means any and all goods that need to be bought, and more importantly that your own fiat needs to be backstopped with.

From what I understand, they cannot match their spending goals and continue raising rates, and their physical economy is tanking much harder — harder because it exists, tanking because of energy — so running a credit crunch too hard would pop them faster. As it stands they are in a stupidly precarious place with all the bond devaluation, too much more shaking and they start falling over.

Sher Singh says:

The medieval Hindu kings that you have mentioned – I am not sure of the exact nature of their resistance. For example, the Marathas did recover Hindu power but did they have an alternative vision to the Mughals? To the end the Mughal emperor remained their legal suzerain even if they wielded de facto power.

The Hindus are good at this stuff. They learn how the game organised by someone else is played and soon manage to succeed at it – as should be evident even today from the success of the Hindu diaspora. But they cannot conceive and organise a game themselves. That is what I am trying to get at – the problem which I have pointed out in this essay as the apolitical conservatism of the Hindus.

https://satyanrtam.wordpress.com/2017/01/17/hindu-political-thought/

Old & gold essay, but just now reviewing the comments.

Just did a ctrl-f for Sikh, but will go through it in depth later.

jim says:

The darmabros in the comments in this blog are conceiving of organizing the game themselves.

Unlike you.

Sher Singh says:

A few details about Balinese #Hinduism that may validate the Dvaita/Traitvada Vedanta claim that Shripada Adi Shankara’s Advaita Vedanta is a post-#Buddhist deviation from old Hinduism. Bali has Hindu culture dating back to at least 8 BCE.

[*link deleted because subscription walled*]

jim says:

Archive it and give archive link.

Sher Singh says:

https://pastebin.com/GqTuH7xC

True, forgot twitter blocked non-logged in users now.
Been logged into my suspended account for years :shrug:

The author is a bit of a prog – read another account that part of the reason for OBC reservations post 91 was due to Brahmin SJWs reeing against Feudal Lords.

Not gonna step into inter-Hindu conflicts anymore.

ਅਕਾਲ

someDude says:

he seems to have given up on Sikh triumphalism and bombast. He’s acting more and more like the stereotype of a an NY jew as you call it, not that Hindus have much experience with Jewish folk.

Sher Singh says:

[*deleted for pointlessly trying to create trouble so that more of these settlements that you supposedly deplore can be imposed*]

Sher Singh says:

[*unresponsive*]

Sher Singh says:

[*deleted for troublemaking and deliberate misidentification of responsibility for ethnic cleansing.*]

jim says:

If anyone in the Global American Empire gets ethnically cleansed or genocided, it is always Global American Empire proxies backed by imperial forces doing it, as for example the successful genocide of the Tutsis in the Congo (backed by white artillery and white air power), the attempted genocide of the Tutsis in Rwanda (backed by white artillery) and the attempted genocide of the Alawites, similarly backed by US airpower and mysterious leakages of arms and money from Soros ngos and the State Department.

Sher Singh says:

Yeah, the stuff in NE has been sponsored by American/Canadian missionaries for decades now.

Hindus report seeing American Baptists handing out AK47s n stuff back in the day.

America is likely getting Hindus & Sikhs to fight by controlling/feeding both sides too.

That doesn’t absolve the Delhi elite & its patsies, but without America they likely wouldn’t be in power – neither would the BJP who’ve increasingly privatized Indian media to raise funds.
—

That’s way too big-brained & far-reaching for Indian tribal politics though. Just use w/e divisions do exist to drive religiosity if you can’t stop the divisions. Ie make Hindu & Sikh attacks on each other cause the other to self-reflect, and focus on their traditions.

ਅਕਾਲ

jim says:

> That’s way too big-brained & far-reaching for Indian tribal politics though

This is a big brained and far reaching blog. Shape up or get censored. Indian tribal politics is stupid and pointless unless all parties realize they are all under the thumb of globohomo.

Sher Singh says:

[*deleted*]

jim says:

Paraphrasing your comment: “Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated”

Dharmicreality says:

That’s way too big-brained & far-reaching for Indian tribal politics though.

Yet, you have been stirring up the same tribal politics in order to get us to look away from globohomo’s sins and to turn to globohomo as the sole arbitrator.

Sher Singh says:

[*Globohommo propaganda deleted*] I’m a Sikh first

[*Globohommo propaganda deleted*]
Sikhi is already set up as a state albeit one that’s suppressed by India. [*Globohommo propaganda deleted*]

jim says:

> Sikhi is already set up as a state albeit one that’s suppressed by India.

You have a trans-state controlled by your enemies. A state needs a sovereign. Who is your sovereign, and what is your procedure for replacing him?

Sher Singh says:

[*deleted*]

Sher Singh says:

Sikh self-determination must be secured by any means. [*deleted*]

jim says:

I have pointed out the obvious and necessary means many times, and you have strangely never responded. Because that is a means that would grant you independence from globohomo, while all you are looking for is trouble with Hindus so that Globohomo can arbitrate and impose the solution it imposes on every tribal conflict. And in a whole lot of posts you gloat how wonderful that solution is. Globohomo laughs at your toy weapons, and I laugh at your toy weapons.

Sher Singh says:

[*social justice warriors always project*]

Sher Singh says:

[*unresponsive*]

Sher Singh says:

[*deleted*]

jim says:

Your claim is likely true, but the data you link to fails to directly support it.

Sher Singh says:

https://i.redd.it/vhupcz50a7r61.png

Nope, you’re just being polite to Hindus.

The Hill yellow areas are Buddhist.
The light green North-West is mostly Muslim + a minority of Sikhs.
The dark-green is Hindu Majority with the exception of Sri Lanka.

Hinduism is a Brahmin-Abo admix post 2nd (Gangetic) urbanization.
Core Aryan areas like the NW & non-Brahmin upper castes left it after.
Brahmanical history glosses over these inconvenient facts.
Kshatriyas & Vaishyas left Hinduism after Brahmins mixed with Abos.

The Buddha compares Brahmins to dogs for this behavior.
Similar, to whites who go live with Native Tribes & side with them.

https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/AN/AN5_191.html

Much of the Dharmic Right is anti-racist.
The Gangetic forest was opened with Agni & Sarbloh – Fire & Iron.
Such a solution exists for the racial problems they deny||

Conflating post-Gangetic Hinduism with the Vedas is in error.
The Buddha praised ancient Brahmins, but contemporaries degraded.

I’m indifferent to globohomo & am ok with sacrificing other communities to stall/weaken it. Doesn’t mean much more than that.

Globohomo is not the reason why the Indian diet is 5-7% protein by calories & Hindus sperg about eggs. You might believe these online script kids will fix that – it’s more likely they’re executed/disowned by their government & extended relatives soon as they admit to liking meat.

ਅਕਾਲ

jim says:

> I’m indifferent to globohomo

You are “indifferent” to those that rule you? Nonsense. If you are “indifferent”, you are a loyal subject of our enemies.

And what your map says is that that you have slightly more Aryan in you than more southerly indians. Assuming you are from Northern India and not a New York Jew. But not very much, mongrel.

jim says:

> You might believe these online script kids will fix that

Globohomo is about to die, as the Soviet Union died. We will replace it. The pets of Globohomo, such as your transkhalsa and its transwarriors will die with it. Your transkhalsa is in the same dreadful position as the Ukraine Nazis, those of them that are still alive.

Globohomo is sponsoring trouble between groups in India so that it can impose its preferred solution: Equality and consent; the reduction of identity to a mere personal ornament, so that family and tribe is voluntary and can be unilaterally suspended moment to moment. But it is also sponsoring trouble as preparation for color revolution, should that prove necessary, and they have a habit of expending their tools when color revolution does not go as planned.

Sher Singh says:

[*unresponsive*]

Aryaman says:

https://i.redd.it/vhupcz50a7r61.png

This isn’t a useful map on several counts. Now obviously it is tautologically true, things get more Aryan as you go Northwesterly. On the other hand, things look very diverse down south and the Brahmins down south don’t look like whatever the paradigmatic AASI looks like.

Also, all the smarties came from down south. It’s an interesting fact, and I don’t know what exactly to make of it, but it is entirely indisputable that all of the famously smart Indians in modern history, all of the spelling bee winners, all of the Indian immigrant kids acknowledged as smart, came from Brahmin families in the South. Enough so that it is conspicuous and interesting and noteworthy when a smart Indian abroad happens to come from the North.

Still, it is almost tautologically true that go Northwesterly, you get more Aryan. As for me, I eat a dozen or more eggs a day and am not worried the Indian government is going to be annoyed about this. My wife does too (ok not a dozen). I’m a lot more scared of the US government trying to track commenters of this blog than I am the Indian government going after meat eaters (which I am not on 360 days of the year but I’m happy to admit that I like it and it tastes good and is probably done right good for you physically though maybe spiritually it is not), and I have a foot in both countries.

Aryaman says:

Really as far as I am concerned Sikhs, as a general people and a meme, are great. Everyone likes warriors and the Sikhs are apparently warriors. England has a lot of Sikhs, probably to its ultimate detriment but so far as I can tell none of the rape gangs going after young British girls are Sikh. As far as memes go, Sikhs are great. A long recognized martial race, tall and turbaned.

clearly whatever hate you have for your brethren on the Indian subcontinent is misplaced. Maybe you live in Canada or something. Do you even live in India?

do you own a gun and know how to shoot it? If you don’t, I’m a better sikh then you, and Jim is a better Sikh then you.

Sher Singh says:

https://www.indica.today/long-reads/a-theory-of-polytheism/

In the case of Jewish monotheism, all three dimensions of the polytheistic religion were gradually destroyed. The cultic dimension was reduced to Jerusalem around 800 BCE and ceased to reflect the pluralistic identity of various centres and regions. The cosmic dimension changed from being a manifestation of the divine presence to a creation of God. The linguistic dimension changed from historia divina, narratives describing events between gods, to historia sacra, a narrative describing events between God and his people.

jim says:

The link you give is obviously sympathetic to paganism, yet the implication of his argumments and evidence is that the pagan social order is likely to have the dysfunctions that we see it having today.

Sher Singh says:

[*deleted*]
ABSOLUTELY SHOCKING.

jim says:

Your account of this minor and obscure Hindu on Hindu conflict, which was settled a long time ago, which no one cares about any more, seems to be part of a Globohomo attempt to reactivate it, so that both sides will again appeal to Globohomo to arbitrate and settle it again.

Carte Blanche says:

Don’t you ever shut up?

You’ve been told repeatedly that none of us care about this and that your posts are unwelcome here, yet like the most stereotypical street shitter ever, you continue to impose yourself and drop steaming turds all over the place.

If you actually genuinely want some sort of engagement with your petty concerns then take some time to learn what we normally do discuss here, learn how to contribute in a meaningful way, and then maybe, after several months of being a productive citizen, others might be willing to cut you some slack.

You won’t, of course, because either you’re being supervised or you have some severe mental defect resulting in a total lack of self-awareness.

Sher Singh says:

[*unresponsive*]

Sher Singh says:

[*deleted for trouble making*]

Sher Singh says:

[*because twitter is behind a subscription wall, and passing that wall looks suspiciously like KYC, not allowing twitter links*]

jim says:

Archive it, then post a link to the archive.

Sher Singh says:

TLDR Brahmin poverty is experienced differently.
They don’t face the same humiliations due to their ritual status.

That’s fine though & if you include the Indian state in globohomo then yeah.
Many of these accounts of atrocities ultimately lead to Indian state intervention & that’s wrong.

ਅਕਾਲ

jim says:

Every state imposed settlement fails to ensure the collective rights of the ethnic groups involved, or the individual property rights of the members of the group, and instead imposes the free choice of identity as to what ethnic group one deems oneself a member of.

Which is 100% globohomo ideology.

Sher Singh says:

[*deleted*]

jim says:

Globohomo wants Hindu on Hindu conflict so that it can come in with its solution: Equality and making diverse Hindu identities merely part of its rainbow and diversity. And you are pushing its wheelbarrow.

Red says:

The talk of a false flag dirty bomb or attack on that Russian nuke plant seems to be increasing in intensity:

https://archive.is/wip/tU73y

There’s talk of it all over twitter as well.

Red says:

If True things are going to shit for Russia:

Sources in the Ministry of Defense report the arrest of General Surovikin:
https://archive.fo/wip/lj3Hq

the army supported Wagner, so now the Kremlin is moving to purge the military. Also, the purge will extend to other elites in Moscow who did not support the Kremlin or tried to flee.

Meanwhile, Shoigu is holding back reserves to the front in the south, so the UAF might finally break through.

As I have been saying for months now, the Not-War is over and we are moving closer and closer to the internal Russian civil war between the competing Jewish factions.

https://gab.com/Rolocaust/posts/110625310426997139

KD link:
https://archive.fo/wip/9Gxi4

Red says:

I’m not entirely sure what to make of Rolo. He’s quite black pilled, but I’m unsure if he’s a shill or not.

The Cominator says:

“Competing Jewish factions in Russia”

Shill shill shill shill shill obvious bullshit propaganda to appeal to wignats is obvious.

BobtheBuilder says:

He’s talked about Nuland and Soros and the Woman Question before, so not a shill. More of an unironic pagan wignat.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

There is no such thing as an unironic fednat.

jim says:

Yes, but spewing idiotic Joo Joo Joo ideas about Bitcoin that betray total ignorance of the way Bitcoin works and of the Bitcoin economy, while blithely ignoring an entirely real powerful evil Jewish conspiracy that has killed a couple of hundred thousand white men and is on course to kill a million or so more, and quite possibly lead to the nukes flying, is a mighty strange focus.

It is a distraction from what matters – and an ignorant and silly distraction. Not flat earth tier, but not far from it. He can mention Soros in passing, but his Joo Joo Joo focus is on stuff that does not matter, and with which Jews have the barest connection even if it did matter.

The trouble with his JooBitcoin stuff is that it is ignorant and idiotic. If he wants to rant about Joos and Bitcoin, he can rant about SBF. Which is real, evil, Jewish, and intelligible even to a normie like CR. But if he starts mangling ideas above his intellectual level, I am going to silence him.

Sam Bankman-Fried was, like the vast majority of Jews, like Soros and the Rothschilds, ignorant and incompetent at finance. He wanted to do the standard Jewish finance thing on Bitcoin – find a Sovereign and make himself the dangerously powerful but indispensable servant of that Sovereign, by finding points where the Sovereigns interests differ from his people’s interests, so the Sovereign needs hostile aliens to do the dirty on his own subjects. Soros and Rothschild formula. Deeply frustrated by inability to find a sovereign to serve.

Jewish financiers are ignorant of finance, and incompetent at it, because that is not what they focus on. They focus on finding points of divergence between what the Sovereign wants and what his people want – for example Blackrock with ESG and DEI.

Go woke go broke, but Blackrock does not care about losing money, because it figures it gets power, it can just take people’s money.

The Cominator says:

Larry Fink like Soros is not an independent actor now was SBF he stole from right wing crypto Brosnan and gave to the Democratic party. He’ll never go to jail for that.

alf says:

Marcionite. Shill.

Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

He recently came out as a full-fledged pagan, or something of the like, although it looks like he deleted the comments. He calls Nicene Christianity, and I quote, “Jewish poison.” He of course claims those only of “Nicene Christianity,” instead of all Christianity, but we know what that means. I don’t know if he’s a shill, but he’s an enemy.

The Cominator says:

> Thinks he’s an unironic pagan

Mental illness or shilling.

For anyone thinking about becoming a pagan…

You will never be a real pagan. You have no ancestors, you have no sacred bloodline, you have no household gods, you have no sacred tribal sites. You are a nihilistic larper twisted by mental illness and wannabeism into a mockery of your tribal warrior ancestors. To your face your friends and family may be supportive but they mock you behind your back and when you die you’ll be buried in a grave that is unmistakably Christian.

jim says:

Great rant. Stealing it.

ten says:

Think i tick all these boxes except household gods, guess we dropped those for christ nine centuries ago.

I am descended in a straight line from the scythian warrior buried in the great barrow on my fields, I know his name, and i am also descended from the old line of kings of gothland, descended of Frey, and the old line of kings of swetheod, descended of Oden. No generations unknown to the old kings, a lot of steps missing before that.

So that’s ancestors, bloodline, and tribal site.

I intend to be buried with the rest of this bloodline in our quarter of the old graveyard, a stonetoss away from the urnfield where our bronze age ancestors are buried.

Maybe i should become an apostle to the neopagans and convert them to jimianity? I mean, i have the credentials, and i know more about paganism than any pagan i ever met. Think it could work.

Ryan says:

As it is dangerous to live in a country run by stupid and evil people who want to destroy you, I am considering moving.

I am already rural of course, but buses of migrants could arrive at any time, not to mention the ongoing wealth confiscation through money printing, a government who will kidnap your children for a hint of sane teaching or manly behavior, and frequent suicidal policies relating to ‘climate’, health and more.

Any recommendations for good countries to look at? Homeschooling friendly, possible for English only (at first at least), sensible and distant government, minimal chance of being nuked. Low cost of living is desirable but not essential.

Mayflower Sperg says:

All English-speaking white countries are provinces of the Anal Empire, and more pozzed than the U.S. itself. Jim has spoken favorably of the Philippines and Andrew Anglin claims to live in Nigeria, but I want my grandchildren to be white, so I chose Russia. It’s been an adventure.

Russians have always felt inferior to other white peoples, so when I ask them how they’d feel if a million white refugees suddenly arrived from rainbow-land, they just can’t imagine such a thing.

jim says:

We see an increasing number of refugees to Russia. Cheap land, and at war with Globohomo.

Some people are going one step ahead of political charges, for example the intern who was saying bad things about Biden, there was a sealed indictment against her, and she decided she did not want to discover what was inside the seal. Lot of people following Snowden’s footsteps, as more and more people get weaponized justice.

Ryan says:

It might be difficult to move to Russia, as it’s illegal to even do business with them right now. Not to mention possible nuclear exchanges. Maybe in a few years though.

Karl says:

Na, getting out of the GAE is easy. Just take a vacation in Poland, rent a car and drive. Whether the Russians will allow you to stay and become an immigrant is a different matter, of course.

Fidelis says:

Many places in South America have governments too incompetent to actually carry out the nigger communism plan, despite the desires of the nigger communists nominally in charge, with fairly easy paths to permanent residence. Don’t look at the decay and degeneracy of the cities as representative to the life on the ground in the more rural parts; as in amerika the parasites and degenerates follow the breeding pattern of rats. Drug cartels become less of a problem once you get south of columbia, and will become even less of a problem the more the GAE loses its ability to project power.

The difficulty lies in cultivating personal networks and securing income. The former problem requires some foreign language, but spanish is easy to gain conversational proficiency in. The latter is perhaps mitigated by homestead approach and a large basket of assets.

C4ssidy says:

Is there a recommended nostr client and any recommended public keys to follow?

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

>’4th of July Special’ on Public Broadcasting channel.
>it ends
>news segment immediately after has ’round table’ with a platter of mystery meat talking about how ‘the founding fathers were progressive for their day, but we are much more morally advanced now, and they fail the standard’.

Poe’s Law.

Pax Imperialis says:

I consistently listen NPR during my morning drive to hear what the party line is, but I at least take breaks on holidays!

Anon says:

https://archive.ph/rcrJf
How America broke its war machine.
The article from cathedral rags pushing the usual more gov power
But the interesting claim is this
“the success of military mobilization during World War II—the ability to become an arsenal of democracy—required central planning and government control over industry.”
Which smell like bullshit.
But the US military industry was under gov control yet productions was massive and no shortage!!! during wwii

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

The US military famously ignored the diktats of war production boards to cut deals with manufacturers directly during the second war of wilsonian aggression.

Something like 1/4th of all economic activity in America during the war was ‘black market’, id est, actual markets.

nemo says:

Any salient examples of such direct deals?

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Classic example; the U.S. Army Air Corps saw North American Aviation making a new plane for the British on commission, said ‘hey lets have some of those’, and so it happened. And that’s how the P-51 Mustang was born.

Guy says:

You can only cannibalise the greatest economy in history once.

And the US is probably one of the only examples available to us of a largely capitalist country with a robust market economy being transformed to war socialism. They credit the war socialism with all the production done by the inertia of the capitalist economy that was highjacked for it.

Anon says:

“Cannibalise the economy”
Make sense
But why things did not turn to shit after the war, instead there was a decade of economic growth in the 50s and early 60s.
Was this the last breath of capitalist US?

The Cominator says:

Capitalism in many ways was restored in the 50s and early 60s following the collapse of the New Deal socialist economy under Truman after the war… after LBJ got in the trend reversed.

Pax Imperialis says:

The reversal started in the 40s with the start of the war under FDR. By the time Truman got into office, New Deal era was dead and Truman’s attempt to restore it failed completely.

LBJ didn’t reverse the trend, but he did throw a wrench into it which made for an uncertain period in which things could have broken both ways (Reagan fucked up bad). It was Clinton that broke it back to socialism and Obama that massively accelerated it.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Didn’t Roosevelt say during one of his fireside chats, “goodbye Doctor New Deal, hello Doctor Win-the-War!”

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

England was much more bureaucratized than America at the time, and things did turn to shit for them after the war.

Red says:

Things were bad in the US after the war, we went right back into the New Deal depression until 49. I think the turning point was Truman “integrating” the military. The cathedral switched to Negro worship instead of 3ed way socialism.

Red says:

Reading up on the history, it looks like the Taft–Hartley Act passed over Truman veto was the signal to resume capitalism in mid 47. In 48 Truman started sucking nig nog cock so that gave them a new direction to holiness spiral in. In 49 the policy of resuming capitalism become the Policy of the greater American Empire.

jim says:

At the end of the war, New Deal socialism was abruptly cancelled in America (and not a dog barked, just as not a dog barked when feminism was cancelled in 1933)

In England, Australia, Germany, and France, cancelled across the board almost simultaneously in 1949.

Economic growth then resumed.

Guy says:

In addition to them rolling back a lot of the war socialism (before putting on the full monkey communism) a huge factor in continued postwar growth for the United States has to be that they had destroyed the competition and now had access to their resources.

Starman says:

That was before Shaniqua became the leading engineerette.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/e7pn5PDScxXG/

Modern NATO MBTs have been remarkably more fragile in practice relative to their post-soviet counterparts than their paperwork would suggest. I’ve seen instances of a T series eat two separate HEAT missiles at once, and still drive on back to base. Meanwhile, high explosive shocks from artillery causing weldments on the Leopards to shatter and turn the occupants into swiss cheese. Getting detracked and mobility killed from running over a single mine. And so on.

Of course, they were designed to have the very best paperwork other people’s money can buy.

jim says:

I was entertained to learn that a Ukrainian prisoner trained and armed in the UK, and wearing equipment with made in UK labels, had plastic belt buckles on his flack jacket. El Cheapo civilian gear from China has stainless steel belt buckles.

Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

Our gear in the Marines had plastic buckles and they were damn near unbreakable, plus we had a spares kit to replace anything that was damaged. Metal buckles provide a spalling source if you are hit, which is not a great thing, and they weigh more. I am open to being proven wrong, but my gear has plastic buckles on it, just like my rifles and pistols have plastic on them.

alf says:

I used to think metal parts were always better than plastic parts, these days not so sure. Metal always holds up good, but rusts and deforms a bit. Plastic, seems like the quality of make is very important. Bad plastic deforms, or even more annoying, becomes brittle and breaks. Good plastic however, seems to last a damn long time. I’m not knowledgeable enough to know the difference though.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

As a general rule, the strength of a polymer is a function of the length of the monomers it is composed of (usually expressed in terms of molecular weight).

Most polymers are naturally stiff and rigid, so plasticizing compounds are often admixed to increase flow and workability (from whence the colloquial name comes). This can also reduce the strength and rigidity of the polymer though, causing warping, leeching, and off-gassing of admixed compounds. A common problem of cheap consumer polymers.

The relatively low melting points of most hydrogenated carbon polymers also lends to being readily ‘fillable’ by various structural materials, such a woven or undifferentiated ceramic fibers to form matrix composites, angular stone macadams, or bulk mud/colloidal alumino-silicates for insulation and fire resistance (oxidized bitumen filled out with colloidal silica was a common ‘gapfilling’ material for through-vias in heavy duty applications, such as the electricals of warmachines).

alf says:

That’s very informative. My understanding is that PLA as commonly used in 3D printing is similarly not actually 100% PLA-polymer but has mixed-in additives to make it stronger.

So the upside is that you have endless possibilities in manufacturing plastics. The downside is that because so complex, you’re at the mercy of a good manufacturer.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Ultra-high-molecular-weight polyethylene and high yield strength steels are the most cost-effective ballistic materials on the market presently. Most solid ceramics are both more expensive, and don’t actually provide better protection in most applications.

Cloudswrest says:

What I find the most obnoxious, both physically and personally, is when the plastic casing for some piece of equipment STARTS LIQUIFYING and becoming sticky after a few years. It really pisses me off! The plasticizers start separating and leaking out!

Adam says:

Lots of this in the automotive industry. Lexus had years worth of dashboards that have had to be recalled. BMW is another that has a lot of plastic and rubber problems in the heat/sun.

jim says:

I stand corrected. Russians thought it amusing that one of plastic buckles had broken, but that none of the others had broken would suggest that they were pretty tough plastic buckles.

Pax Imperialis says:

Speaking of plastic, USMC still issue the Nylon/Spandex (plastic) T-shirts which will melt and fuse to your skin when exposed to flame. Of course, no one wears them outside of training… but why not just have the 100% cotton ones. It would be simpler.

Skippy says:

MBTs have never been designed to protect against reliable direct hits and near-misses from field artillery. And this is probably an intractable protection problem. A Western force would depend on superior observation, but since this comes from air power in the West the Russians have superior observation in this battle. The results should not be surprising, except that everyone in the West had gaslit one another to believe the Russians are omni-incompetent.

The Privacy Move Up says:

Sorry guys but BTC+LN or btc plus whatever or even just btc… is not the solution, that entire family of old useless first gen tech is already dead walking.
BTC and LN aren’t private, 7.5tps and LN forced to be online is a fucking lol, and both are will becoming expensive as fuck fees to use for one-shot a-to-b payments, which is what most people do. LN is a non-sulution to orthagonal use case needs. It’s so bad and desperate you could swear it’s just another op against BTC just like blockstream and the foundation were. And even youtube will tell you how bad lightning sucks and why it will fail.

Next Generation privacy coins will be coming online.
These will surpass problems of XMR and even ZEC.

Their tps rates will handle maybe even a billion people once or twice a week.
They will be private, like 2^strong equivalent levels builtin, not silly mix obfuscation levels.
They will be fully encrypted distributed P2P protocols.
They will have zero features, only capable of money, nothing else… no nft, no dao, no nothing, just the efficiency of moving money and a memo.
ZK, dag, avalanche, PoW… whatever advanced techs will get both real strong privacy turned on and the tps rate jacked high enough for 1B people to use once a week or so.
Silly idea of storing every block forever will also go away, no more evergrowing storage, more bandwidth to push tps.

Gamechanger, everyone moves in via DEX, and BTC dies in under 10 years.

This component technologies now exist mostly is matter of assembling them.
And anon groups will and have begun forming to make a run at creating this new gen of coins.
And no State is going to be able to shut either of them down.

BTC quit *real* development when Satoshi got exited, how convenient.
Anons will start it up again and start making philosophy and code drops fun again.

jim says:

Agree it is dead walking, it was dead walking when an open source implementation of recursive snarks finally appeared in Rust on Github.

But it is going to be a while before that Rust code gets integrated into actually useful coins.

I have been doing a lot of thinking and some work on the transition. Non trivial.

BillieBam says:

The ONLY “actually useful coin” that needs to be made and released to the world now is one that has exactly ONLY ONE usage capacity and ONLY ONE use case… being a private P2P cash for the world. Nothing else. Period.

Let all the other 99.99% do their stupid feature ridden shitcoins… they’ll all go nowhere.
Because until you have a real cash that people can both USE with frequency *and* STORE for decades, all those other coins will fail for lack of a spirit reference.

It is an interoperable interexchangeable (via DEX) base layer of non-inflateable essentially fee-less CASH MONEY that is used to “form free markets” and fund “monetary infrastructure”. Cash is the building block that all other things are built with and upon.

Until you have a private cash money, you have nothing, and ever since Bitcoin was usurped and failed to cointinue evolution as that, no principled person or group has stood up to do the Next and Private Cash Money… all projects since have been self-serving profiteering even corporate garbage. Satoshi (the devs) and all who “invested” getting BTC growing post-Genesis, profited handsomely from BTC’s selfless fair launch, that’s the way to do it.

Fidelis says:

Great, but you’re missing the entire rest of the ecosystem needed to fulfill the zeitgeist.

How do you form markets? How do you form useful monetary infrastructure? How do you interact with both? How do you ensure Alice and Bob both agree on the current state of their agreements? How do you prove to the digital contract that Alice’s client recieved some bits, or at least had the capacity of fetching those bits? Who is hosting this digital contract, and what machine is running the fancy zk program circuit?

Silly idea of storing every block forever will also go away

This is a huge tell that you don’t really know what you’re talking about. Even bitcoin core has the option to prune blocks away. People store blocks for archival reasons, for very similar reasons you would store your paper financial documents. You introduce immense fragilty with pure PoS systems; successful network attacks become almost trivial, and you can keep the entire ecosystem in a state of constant fork wars with very little investment. Agreeing on chain tips when the underlying network can be physically attacked is not trivial at all. I have yet to see a satisfactory solution to hardening a PoS network from a combined network infrastructure and long-range/costless-simulation attack; when the internet becomes a real contested space the same way land is a real contested space, you are going to have serious problems.

jim says:

It is complicated.

He is right, but has not coherently thought things through, so your objections to his ideas about how it could work are also right. It cannot work like that, but it can work sort of like that.

I have been preparing a post on how to make it work. It looks like it is going to be a long, complicated, and highly technical post.

The huge space and bandwidth saving with recursive snarks, which I idiosyncratically call zeeks, is that you can shard the secure broadcast channel. With Bitcoin everyone has to check everything, which is an enormous amount of redundant checking and so you have one enormous reliable broadcast channel. If you sharded the Bitcoin reliable broadcast channel, the peers on one shard would have the opportunity to lie and cheat the peers on another shard.

With recursive snarks, any one broadcast subchannel, any one shard of the Merkle chain, can prove to all the others that it is operating correctly, even though they do not have its data.

In the classic bitcoin blockhain implemented by Satoshi, each block is a single Merkle vertex (I oversimplify slightly) that chains to the previous Merkle vertex, and every Merkle vertex is on the reliable broadcast channel forever. Which is the simplest and most direct possible way to implement a reliable broadcast channel. To take advantage of zeeks (recursive snarks) we will want to have a very large number of very small Merkle vertices, and life gets quite complicated, because we have a lot of Merkle vertices, and because we have to address interactions between shards, and shards have to be created and gracefully shutdown.

Mister Grumpus says:

What I’m picking up here is that lots of people are finding ways to make Bitcoin faster, but only by pruning away the “almost dead wood” of every node holding every record about everything, which was Satoshi’s brute force end-run around a bunch of security and integrity problems.

And this pruning makes it more possible to attack the whole network by flooding the zone with 51-49 “DDOS dis-transactions” that seize up the works, thus “closing the bank of Bitcoin”, if you will.

My question is how possible could that be? Could Merrill Lynch, or whoever, be building some data center somewhere, full of custom block-spamming ASIC’s, ready to go doomsday and nuke the blockchain someday? What a short-selling opportunity!

Or on the other hand, is the human race just getting too dumb and distracted, and the panopticon too complete, and women too fat and bitchy, for there to be anyone left who’s smart enough, organized enough and motivated enough, to actually pull off anything better than Bitcoin is right now?

Nothing you say will be used against you, but what’s your feel of this today?

jim says:

Not to worried about clever technical attacks from Shaniqua, but yes, as people hitting scaling problems prune away the almost dead wood, this makes attacks possible. Too many client wallets have to trust a peer, and too many client wallets are trusting a dangerously small number of dangerously big peers. One of the big advantages of recursive snarks is that the client wallet can verify the peer’s claims about what is valid and what is on the reliable broadcast channel.

The current bitcoin ecosystem, with very few people running full peers, and very few full peers downloading the full blockchain, is becoming vulnerable. It is becoming vulnerable because hitting the scaling limit, so people implement ad-hoc workarounds. It is becoming urgent to fix scaling. Not vulnerable yet, but headed in a dangerous direction. Unless something is done, it is likely to be a problem during the transition where we replace the US dollar.

jim says:

> anyone left who’s smart enough, organized enough and motivated enough, to actually pull off anything better than Bitcoin is right now?

Bitcoin can be fixed by adding child chains based on recursive snarks, but this is organisationally difficult. You have to get all the miners to sign on. Or a new currency based on recursive snarks will compete, and eventually outcompete it. Or a new currency based on recursive snarks will appear, but Bitcoin will then add on child chains based on recursive snarks, and with Metcalf’s law at its back, outcompete it.

The necessary libraries are now in place, but integrating them into a useful product is a big problem.

The lightning network as been around for a while, and is still far from finished. None of this is going to happen quickly.

Mister Grumpus says:

So I suppose you have to do both.

First you put out a “snarking democoin” to get the idea across and light a fire under the Bitcoin Landsraad, and then immediately open source that sucker to accelerate the embrace-and-extend “bitcoin snarkification” effort.

Because you’re right. Windows 11 is still a 1981 8088 MSDOS boot BIOS in the catacombs under the sub-basement. The outcry and panic to “make our bitcoins do the snark thing” will be more than enough to get that capability retrofitted into Bitcoin Proper.

So just make that the plan, I guess.

Erect Homo says:

Not really. People are supposed to “know” that Blocks cannot ever be pruned out of BTC, else the chain would have [multi-]block sized gaps in it, thus validation back to Genesis fails, and thus no one can trust what they have. Yes, block service to electively thin clients can be pruned, but that uncertainty is their [fool] choice to make.
You could delete spent tx’s and bring forward the UTXO’s into new structures, then delete the entire chain up to the start of that next mass consensus. Which could be further abstracted into being a zk db of each account and its nominal value balance, fed with atomic updates from the output of some type of consensus taken over the tx broadcast stream.

People supposed to know that “archival reasons” invariably both originates in and turns into abusive tyrannies, thus keeping data must not be done. Ideal case is all history and metadata and everything but the “UTXO” ledger database can be trashed once it’s processed up to the final atomic state of the DB.
Gold and cash have no “archive”, and no “archive” existed up until the evil attack on freedom known as central banks and taxes and New Deal since about 1913 on.
The protocol must not enable any anti-Freedom actors, so if you want dox findocs on top of yourself, then go create your own logbook for whatever actors, since the coins will rightly refuse to implement that for them. Similarly, no, there will be no “view keys”, and the coins will be private by default. Private uncensorable cash coins p2p adoption will overpower all that bureaucrat shit. Revolutions require revolutionary coins that make revolutionaries out of mass sheeple who begin to realize and use the powers inherent in the coin. BTC’s non-privacy and required forever storage introduce severe fungibility problems upon Freedom… that’s bad… nor is it truly known whether storage req’s will be outpaced by future storage media. So always work get storage out of old mindset and designed out of protocol wherever possible.

Design communities for new coin projects need to remove their heads from the Bitcoin model. It may be entirely possible that the BTC type of “blockchain” is not necessary core component to new coins, some other techs could become core functions. But you’ll never think of them if you don’t get your head out of the 15years of Bitcoin sand.

Noone ever said pure PoS or PoW or whatever else. Maybe there’ll be blends, maybe no “proofs’ at all, who knows. As someone said you’re observate the characteristics defining “cash” then choos current techs to do it, not picking the techs then designing whatever parts of a cash you still can around the techs.

Contested spaces are meant to be routed around, have people ever considered removing the other contestants, or space on Elon’s cube launchers is dirt cheap these days, as is using radio, or laying their own fiber,

Fidelis says:

Noone ever said pure PoS or PoW or whatever else. Maybe there’ll be blends, maybe no “proofs’ at all, who knows. As someone said you’re observate the characteristics defining “cash” then choos current techs to do it, not picking the techs then designing whatever parts of a cash you still can around the techs.

There is a fundamental problem of sybils in any situation with permissionless consensus. In a sense, proof of work being hashpower is rerouting the same energy that may have gone into running a ton of nodes and clogging message bandwidth in order to gain control; similarly with ‘proof of stake’, except the ‘energy’ in this case is simulation, and therin lies the problem.

Blending directly runs into the same failure modes of pure ‘proof of stake’. The biggest and most destructive for a global network being the ‘costless simulation’ attack, because it disrupts consensus on the human social level not just the protocol level, you are increasing the cost of the ‘costless’ part, without making it insurmountable. No staked consensus can survive liveness attacks on the network infrastructure indefinitely, you at best have no finalization, and have to deal with ever growing database that cannot be pruned without talking to the half of the network that got cut off, and forks that cannot be resolved. Then you have the issue that you can split this network, and then suddenly the subsections are much much more vulnerable to simulation attacks. It would be too easy for a state level actor, or even just a catastrophic phenomenon, to cause endless unresolvable fork wars.

Contested spaces are meant to be routed around, have people ever considered removing the other contestants, or space on Elon’s cube launchers is dirt cheap these days, as is using radio, or laying their own fiber,

I was being poetic in pointing out that at most it seems that rival nationstates do limited hacking and really clumsy shilling amongst each other, not full scale digital infrastructure war. I dont think it stays so peaceful, and we are going to end up in a world where it is not a guarantee your packet reaches across the ocean. This rabbithole of possibility goes deep, but the big point I want to make is that for an international currency you need the lowest level settlement of your system to have very low bandwidth and network stability requirements. If you want a local currency to use in an informal economy this is not so important, but I was under the impression we are thinking big.

Mister Grumpus says:

“And anon groups will and have begun forming to make a run at creating this new gen of coins.”

Is there anything that people with insufficient IQ to actually perform this programming can do to help these guys?

Hagert M says:

> can do to help

Sure. Search for projects that are focused on one thing… doing a minimalistic private cash, ignore all the NFT DAO Smart Contract ICO etc baloney out there… they’re just research noise that won’t begin to form into concretized production models for at least a decade. Whereas a simple private cash will much sooner. Find and support those, the fair launched, etc. Do documentation, testing, bugs and UI. Until such projects become known, do general online advocacy for the importance of creating and adopting such basic nextgen 2.0 privacy cash p2p coins to augment and eventually surpass the failings of 1.0 Bitcoin style coins. Demonstrate that demand and use cases for coin privacy exists, that Humankind relies upon privacy in all its areas, show the need to continue sound economics, and sound development.

notglowing says:

You speak from a very superficial understanding of the technology, and haven’t really thought things through.

BTC does have its issues, but LN is hardly one of them. No other blockchain technology offers the same level of theoretical scalability, nor the same low latency for transactions; It’s currently the only decentralized payment method one could easily use in retail situations, where you don’t want to wait minutes.

LN isn’t simple, but it’s been simplified for use of regular people over time, and a lot of work still needs to be done. I use it myself, with no issues. Quite a better experience than making on-chain transactions on any chain.

Most of the criticisms found online regarding it are from misinformed people who either don’t understand it, or based on old limitations and problems that no longer exist.

The fact of the matter is that Bitcoin is the only credibly scarce, and credibly neutral cryptocurrency there is at the moment. Its 14 years of history back that up. The fact that Core developers agreed not to make drastic changes to it is what ensured this would be the case.

A feature, not a bug. As cryptocurrency is social technology, this matters a whole lot more than technological features. Because what matters more than what a currency can technically do, is whether it is trusted and accepted. You need to have credible value, and for that you need credible scarcity, credible neutrality, and a longer history.

Anything that merely has a technological advantage is easily replaced, as technology is easily surpassed. If we always moved to the new better currency and abandoned the previous one, the whole space would have no future as a serious alternative to the financial system.

Furthermore in the past 14 years there have really been no attempts to actually make an alternative to Bitcoin that is *better* at what it does, just different projects with more features, or different tradeoffs. All of which have been useful for the space as a whole, but won’t replace Bitcoin.

If someone had a better technology to move cryptocurrency, it would arguably be better if that based its value on locked/”wrapped” BTC, and inherited the economical recognition BTC has reached over time.
The existence of wrapped BTC on many chains is taken as an argument against Bitcoin’s future, but I would argue it only proves the value people place on it, and more importantly, how easy it is to replace the technology you are using to move money, while the underlying value asset stays the same. The ledger and the asset are not the same thing.

Bitcoin is plenty useful as it is, even on-chain, it is much cheaper to move money internationally compared to using the banking system.

Still, zkSnarks based cryptocurrency is going to continue to evolve and be developed.
Ethereum of all things already has viable zkRollup L2s. And these enable it to not store all of the data permanently, but that is not as simple as you seem to think.

Storing the whole transaction history IS necessary for any current blockchain design, and not doing so leads to all sorts of not necessarily obvious to you avenues for centralization and attacks on the chain.

However, if we can verify sidechains with zkSnarks, and only store the proof on-chain, we can store the entire history without it blowing up as much as it would when storing all txs.

The problem then is data availability, which is another centralizing force. Without having the data behind the zkproof guaranteed to be available, you are unable to actually use your money if access to said data is denied by whoever produced it.

So the underlying transaction information still needs to be public, and it needs to be enforced that it is published.

In typical Ethereum fashion, they are working on a somewhat complex solution to augment Ethereum to allow for this to work.
“Blobs” will carry this data on Ethereum from L2s, and present a cheap mechanism to verify that the data is probably what it is supposed to be.

These blobs will be on-chain, but separate from the regular state, and will be deleted after a while, since they’re not needed long term, whereas short term data availability for everyone is guaranteed.

I know Ethereum doesn’t receive a lot of praise here, and it’s hard to like given the people who influence its development, but a lot of smart developers are working on very smart, sometimes overly complex solutions to its problems, which apply to blockchain in general.

jim says:

> Storing the whole transaction history IS necessary for any current blockchain design

MimbleWimble does not need the whole transaction history, and recursive snarks are more capable than what they are using.

> The problem then is data availability, which is another centralising force. Without having the data behind the zkproof guaranteed to be available, you are unable to actually use your money if access to said data is denied by whoever produced it.

Solution, in short, and somewhat oversimplified, is that you produce it. Or rather a full peer that you control produces it. For this to be workable one has to architect the Merkle tree in such a way that any item of data can be proven in O(log N) hashes of small Merkle vertexes, rather than O(N) hashes of big Merkle vertexes.

The natural, obvious, straightforward, simple, and direct usage of recursive snarks is to just put very little information on the reliable broadcast channel, and what little information you do put on that channel is opaque to everyone except your counterparty. Ethereum don’t like that, so are doing things in an unnatural and overcomplicated way.

Every unspent transaction output containing non dust value needs to go on a reliable broadcast channel forever (or until finally spent) But it does not have to go in the clear. It should be readable only by the party that has its secret. With recursive snarks, you do not need to have any transactions on the broadcast channel at all, and spent outputs (outputs that become inputs) can be garbage collected. Further, outputs that are promptly consumed in the course of your interaction with your counterparty do not need to ever go on the reliable broadcast channel at all in the first place. They do not need to be broadcast, stored, and then garbage collected.

One might suppose that when the entire world goes crypto currency, the reliable broadcast channel would become extremely large, not in storage, because garbage collected, but in bandwidth – but with recursive snarks one can shard it. One can have ten thousand broadcast channels, though only one is needed until you are considerably bigger than Bitcoin. The scaling limit on a reliable broadcast channel that does not publish, let alone keep, transactions, is no longer storage, but bandwidth, Bitcoin does not currently use much bandwidth, and a recursive snark based system that processes a similar number of transactions to Bitcoin will likely use less. So a single big reliable broadcast channel will not hit scaling limits till bigger than bitcoin. And when that happens, sharding. We introduce half a dozen named reliable broadcast channels. We will probably wind up sharding for specialization reasons (special reliable broadcast channels for special use cases) before we need to shard for scaling reasons.

> In typical Ethereum fashion, they are working on a somewhat complex solution to augment Ethereum to allow for this to work.

The Ethereum solutions are over complicated, over centralised, expensive, and inefficient. The basic problem is that they are evil. The natural tendency of zero knowledge is to protect privacy and the natural tendency of recursive snarks is to distribute and decentralise power, and they want to use them in a way that does not protect privacy and which centralises power, so are fighting the way that the technology is naturally most straightforwardly usable.

Fidelis says:

Every unspent transaction output containing non dust value needs to go on a reliable broadcast channel forever

Just to expand on this, you don’t need to have every utxo broadcast, but you need to broadcast a proof that this utxo exists in the current global state, which ideally only one party (the owner) has access to the actual content data. The solution I see for state transition with incomplete global information is having a (hash(utxo_prev), hash(utxo_post), proof) sent to a local aggregator, that collects lots of these and rolls up a larger proof, all of which recursively collects into a single merkle root that gets broadcast to the consensus/atomic broadcast channel.

So at the point you spend your utxo, you need only show the merkle path.

This architecture is why I say pegged sidechains, because you can actually work stepwise towards this without having to bootstrap all the tertiary infrastructure including social infrastructure. This is a bitcoin utxo, but wrapped up in a separate state management system, that can be allowed to grow in complexity. A constellation of snarked sidechains, all with lightning channels between them, and you dont even need recursion for v1.

notglowing says:

Ethereum don’t like that, so are doing things in an unnatural and overcomplicated way.

No, they’re doing things in a complicated way, because Ethereum is overly complicated, and has been from day 1.
Full compatibility with its smart contract system requires this level of complexity, and even so, corners have been cut.
zkSync is only source-compatible, not EVM-compatible.

Or rather a full peer that you control produces it. For this to be workable one has to architect the Merkle tree in such a way that any item of data can be proven in O(log N) hashes of small Merkle vertexes, rather than O(N) hashes of big Merkle vertexes.

The natural, obvious, straightforward, simple, and direct usage of recursive snarks is to just put very little information on the reliable broadcast channel, and what little information you do put on that channel is opaque to everyone except your counterparty.

If your data is owned by you, and opaque to everyone else, then I do not see any way of implementing shared state that isn’t owned by anyone in particular, and can be modified by anybody.
Which is necessary for smart contracts, and especially for their most popular application, the AMM, to work.

If what you’re looking for is a smart contract system based on individual ownership of state, no need to disclose state or code to anyone except participants in the transaction, where the blockchain only serves to prevent double spending, you already have Bitcoin’s RGB system (https://github.com/RGB-WG), which also works on LN.

RGB doesn’t use zksnarks, and doesn’t really need to, all it needs is merkle proofs and taproot, which already work on BTC, and nothing is disclosed unless there are disputes.

Still RGB has limitations. It’s possible to make a DEX with it, but it’s not nearly as easy as in Solidity. Globally shared state does not exist. DeFi composability would be even more difficult.
That doesn’t mean this or your solution couldn’t be a good system. But there’s no way it could be designed for Ethereum, regardless of the motives driving the Foundation. Different applications.

notglowing says:

Though, I don’t think many people inside the foundation are our friends, and they are very much afraid of legal repercussions of anything that could be used for money laundering. But that is that.

There is a system that brings zk privacy to EVM, though, that being Railgun on Ethereum.

It’s fundamentally similar to the now censored Tornado Cash, but fixes its most critical flaw, the issue of being able to monitor deposit and withdrawal patterns from the black box.

It allows for arbitrary amounts to be moved in and out, which arguably would make the problem worse, but it reduces the need to move money out of the privacy layer to begin with.

Instead of being used to “launder” money, which doesn’t work, it’s more like a private wallet you keep money in, and you’re still able to use it.

Aside from shielded transactions to other users of the system (it uses UTXOs internally, of course), you are able to perform transactions that move money out of Railgun, interact with a smart contract (for example to buy coins) then move your funds and tokens back into the system, done atomically in one step, paid by relayers.

Your money only temporarily leaves, and it cannot be tied to you. What’s more is the ability to convert, secretly transfer, split funds like this makes it all the more difficult to connect deposits to withdrawals in general.

Railgun will probably suffer the same problem of censorship from exchanges, however, that is exactly the same issue privacy coins are suffering.

The great thing about LN is how it gives you good sender privacy, while leaving your hands “clean” of anything that would have exchanges refuse your money.

jim says:

To interconvert between fiat and a private currency, one needs a well known honest intermediary. And Tether is not exactly a shining light of honesty, and the bank stablecoins even less so.

jim says:

To interconvert between a privacy currency and a fiat or unofficially officially regulated currency, one really needs a way of performing atomic transactions with Bitcoin over the lightning network, or over an extension to the lightning network. Railgun is likely to be censored if it works, and unofficially regulated if it deliberately tolerates some subtle or not so subtle flaws.

Or one has to trust a well known intermediary.

A lightning connection links transactions together with difference signatures; A currency using zk snarks does contracts on the blockchain by attaching arbitrary conditions to what would constitute a valid spend of an output. Marrying these two capabilities could give you De-Fi over lightning.

jim says:

> If your data is owned by you, and opaque to everyone else, then I do not see any way of implementing shared state that isn’t owned by anyone in particular, and can be modified by anybody.
Which is necessary for smart contracts, and especially for their most popular application, the AMM, to work.

Consider the simplest example of a smart contract and shared state. There are two different kinds of fungible token on the blockchain, and a market for exchanging one for the other. Liquidity providers deposit one token or the other or both into a pool, and the AMM trades them, setting the price so that the value in the pool of token A is equal to the value in the pool of token B.

OK, you create an output that has a validity condition for transactions such that it follows the rules, Recall that every time you register the hash of your state (output) on the reliable broadcast channel, it needs a snark proving validity that will be recursively included in the root proof of the blockchain. Normally validity is that the transaction no part of it is exposed on the reliable broadcast channel), that each of the inputs could only have been used once, and that tokens in equal tokens out, and there is a custom additional condition that the transaction includes your private key (the whole of the transaction is not exposed to any one party, but one could have an output that required any idiosyncratic additional validity conditions. Possibly not including the secret key part. Such as running an honest AMM that is unable to steal the liquidity pool. Every transaction the robot does produces among its outputs a one new output representing the current state of the robot, which output must have the same additional constraint on its proof of validity as the first.

You then expose the additional validity constraints on some communication medium, by revealing the preimage of the hash. (It is a Merkle tree, so you do not have to expose the whole preimage, just the root Merkle vertex and as many other Merkle vertices as needed). Knowing the robot is constrained in the transactions it is capable of doing by the validity condition, counterparties know the robot is unable to cheat them, for example by running off with the liquidity pool.

The robot normally runs on one particular peer, but part of the validity condition is that it has to prove that sufficient liquidity providers know enough about its internal state that one of them could take over if that peer goes down and fails to register new state for a while. Also that the recent state of the liquidity providers is that they are happy leaving the their liquidity with the robot. If a liquidity provider changes his state, and fails to give the robot the necessary preimages showing he is still happy, the robot eventually has to refund his money, or stop updating its state.

The robot’s state is another reliable broadcast channel, and the hash (unspent transaction output) appearing on the primary reliable broadcast channel has as part of its preimage what is broadcast on that channel, the current state of that reliable broadcast. We are sharding the reliable broadcast channel with a special purpose shard.

jim says:

AMMs work because people hold a lot of money in tethers, which is a quasi state institution. Banks are now issuing stablecoins, though bank stablecoins, being even more banklike that tether, are not as popular as the tether stablecoin. On reflection, unlikely to be able to run an AMM on cryptocurrency capable of true privacy.

My understanding, and I may well be ignorant here, is that on an AMM one typically trades tethers for wrapped bitcoin, which are bitcoin that have been baptised by a quasi state institution, for tether, which is fiat currency that is unofficially official. Billions of dollars of tether have been confiscated by the usual gang of state and quasi state intermediaries. Same problem as with attempting to buy stuff from outside the Global American Empire and on its periphery.

Lots of people are working on detaching De-Fi from the state, but last I checked the detachment was not going very well. (Though I am far from up to date on this.)

The way you detach money from the state is to buy bitcoin on a regulated exchange, then move it into a real bitcoin wallet.

notglowing says:

My understanding, and I may well be ignorant here, is that on an AMM one typically trades tethers for wrapped bitcoin, which are bitcoin that have been baptised by a quasi state institution, for tether, which is fiat currency that is unofficially official.

This isn’t wrong, but it’s reductive; AMMs allow for trading between any *tokens* on Ethereum, plus ETH itself wrapped as a token.

On Ethereum, the base currency in most AMM pairs is actually ETH, not stablecoins. A lot of people use stablecoins of course but they are not the base currency for AMM pairs by default.

Pairs tend to be BTC/ETH or Shitcoin/ETH and of course USDT/ETH, DAI/ETH.

First off, there are dollar stablecoins that aren’t backed by dollars, but rather by other cryptos. While Luna’s solution failed, Luna’s design did not have proper collateralization.

Look to Liquity and Maker (DAI) for better examples. They are backed by ETH only (Liquity) or other tokens too (DAI) as collateral, and the value of the collateral vs the dollar is determined by oracles like Chainlink. Liquity even uses fallback oracles.

Not completely void of risk but they have worked fine for several years and through the bear market.

As for Wrapped coins in general: there are actually many kinds of wrapped BTC on AMMs. Some of them are backed by institutions, others are backed by more or less decentralized bridges to Bitcoin’s blockchain, and can be redeemed for real BTC without going through any company.

renBTC is an example, though I don’t know much about their implementation. Security issues exist with bridges, and some are more centralized de facto than others, but they are improving over time.

jim says:

> If your data is owned by you, and opaque to everyone else, then I do not see any way of implementing shared state that isn’t owned by anyone in particular, and can be modified by anybody.
Which is necessary for smart contracts, and especially for their most popular application, the AMM, to work.

A lightning connection is a collection of bitcoin contracts enforced by difference signatures. A currency based on zk-snarks does contracts by attaching arbitrary conditions to a valid spend of an output.

That AMMs are full of tethers, that people hold billions of dollars in tethers, reveals a problem with the Ether approach to smart contracts. So, a different approach needed. And the resulting markets will not look like, nor work like Ether markets. And they will not be full of tethers.

I sketched a design for doing an AMM style market on a privacy network. But it would not work, because tethers are not going to be allowed on a privacy network.

Henry de Faggot has the right approach to smart contracts:

What is needed is a lightning to Cosmos connection. Does it exist? Could it exist?

jim says:

> you already have Bitcoin’s RGB system (https://github.com/RGB-WG), which also works on LN.

It is intended to work on lightning, and intended to be infrastructure for a De-Fi

Last I checked, does not work on lightning and does not support a De-Fi

currently has the MyCitadel wallet which is a wonderful cryptographic tour-de-force, but cannot yet be used for anything interesting.

Seems to be work in progress with interesting and important potential.

LNisNoGod says:

here is many video that explain why lightning sucks real bad and hasnt and cant be fixed try and refute them its not possible

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMpAklXQxme_wZi3sdHdHVQ

jim says:

Your link is to a talking head, who does not seem to talk about lightning anywhere. And he talks too much, and too vaguely. So if he has ever said anything about lightning it would be impossible to rebut anything he said. Now if you could link to a text criticism of bitcoin, or quote it, that would deserve a rebuttal.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/7sSqW1XUsRrP/

All the old lessons forgotten and needing to be learned again, once again.

When the only thing many units in Call of Duty: Zoomer Warfare can manage is basic bitch slit trenches without so much as any duck boarding you can start to understand how 20-30% of casualties on both sides are from sanitary.

It bears repetition that bushcraft is essential sets of skills for soldiers on campaign. The Red Army by the end of the Great Patriotic War had learned many of the tricks. Using a 55 gallon drum of water, fire, and wood scaffolding to sterilize clothing with steam. Making a smoke shack to do the same when little water is available. How to make pit-houses (zemlyanka) for fighting positions. Cutting sections of bottom soil for making ersatz gravity filters. Supplies of hydrated lime for stabilizing wet and muddy soils and forming more durable earthworks. Making limewater for removing lice and fleas from the skin and hair. Combining with zinc or copper sulfate to make bordeaux mixture, broad-spectrum human compatible disinfectant for treating wounds and fungal infections. Supplies of cementeous materials in general for quickly fabricating cobbed and cast earth positions even when wood is not available.

It’s so bad i’m having a hard time remembering if I have seen even a single sandbag over the past few months of conflict. No sandbags! Dead easy to ship in mass numbers packed in a container, and can be filled with dirt or gravel onsite and tied together to form instant structural elements you can then backfill over.

Ever since the day the high explosive fragmentation shell was invented, soldiers have lived and died by their work with gabions and other form-fill-in rapid bridgeheading techniques, but this like many other forms of tacit knowledge seem practically extinct in later days.

Javier says:

I’m no general, but it seems to me that if you lack air superiority or artillery superiority then you cant win against an enemy who does. thus throwing endless men into the front lines is a waste, unless getting a lot of your own guys killed is the goal.

in proper US military fashion, we don’t listen to the guy who says it can’t be done, and we promote the guy who says it can even when he gets his men killed. if I were zelensky I would forget about trying to attack the Russians on their own terms and focus on a Fabian strategy of resource depletion. but they seem way too focused on territory and some kind of Hollywood movie dramatic rout where all the enemy run away after one mass human wave attack.

The Cominator says:

Ukraine and the GAE are Zapp Brannigan but the Russians aren’t killbots with a kill limit.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvbeCErWQAES9G0.jpg

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

The GAE functionaries like Klain and Kagan themselves see people from Kiev and people from Moscow as the same people, which is why they are perfectly fine with prodding the former into courses that lead to their destruction, and any of the later being destroyed in the process is just extra gravy. A death on either side now is a blow against the object of their hatred in the future.

Pax Imperialis says:

>Making limewater for removing lice and fleas from the skin and hair.
The AFU guys are not living long enough to justify the logistics of quality of life logistical burdens. Dark cheap shots aside…

They are (typically) not staying in any one trench long enough to justify infrastructure beyond basic hole in the ground. Surveillance and artillery is forcing very high dispersal which make the lines very fluid even if they pretty stagnant. Fluid in the sense that it’s constant cat and mouse games (by very small tactical units) in a zone that’s plus or minus 5km around where the maps say the front is. Stagnant because supply trains are noticeable which often means no supply which means assaults (and defenses) often end up in immediate retreats (on foot) to resupply rather than moving the front.

That’s besides the logistic problem of making livable trenches. How are you going to move that 55 gallon drum of water and hundred lbs of scaffolding to some trench a kilometer away from the road? Even if your infrared homing beacon of a truck isn’t spotted by some drone, you’ll probably not get far off road before sinking into the soil (unless it’s winter, but in that case you’re probably not digging trenches). Sure, you can get the grunts to carry it, but they would rather the weight be munitions and food which again isn’t being supplied by truck. Even if you manage to create a livable and nice trench, that’s a mighty big footprint that’s likely to get you spotted and greeted by arty.

This isn’t WW1 (which had secure supply trains) in spite of the similarity of both being attrition conflicts without movement. This is more like a hypothetical Vietnam war in which all infantry were turned into LRRPs playing cat and mouse games in the buildings and trenches jungle.

Kunning Druegger says:

OK, but no one cares about Hohols. The foot soldiers of the GAE deserve to die by inches. Eevry one of his recommendations/points was aimed at the RF side, and they have been in the same place for many months.

More to the point, Roman Legions built breastworks *in hours and days*. Ditto for trench fabrication in middle and late stage WW01 Germany. When Pershing arrived in France he was utterly appalled at the state of the French & English lines because he mistakenly believed these countries wanted their legions to survive. When you compare American and German trenches to British & French ditches, it becomes immediately obvious who was in it to survive and who was participating to punish.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

There is a non-specific acquaintance I know who always has a cluttered house and workplace. They are always trying to throw things away too, even important and valuable things, in order to ‘make space’.

It never helps. No matter how little things there are, they will always figure out a way to make things cluttered with them around their living spaces. Because the problem was never really numbers of things, the problem is organization.

You can see this dynamic in many things. The spiritual bureaucrat will say they don’t have enough money to do the right thing. That they don’t have enough time to do the right thing. That they don’t have enough personnel to do the right thing. Many answers taking this form.

All wrong answers.

It’s not that you can’t afford to do the right thing, it is that you can’t afford to not do the right thing. It costs ‘nothing’ to do things rightly instead, and saves you much greater costs in the future.

Carving out a bad dug-out is costing you the same amount of wasted time as making a proper one instead. The primary limiting factor is not time, or logistical capacity. The primary limiting factor is lack of virtue, lack of wisdom, lack of Tradition.

Pax Imperialis says:

>they have been in the same place for many months.

AFU trenches become RF trenches become AFU trenches become… often without a fire fight. When there is a fire fight it tends to be a platoon sized unit trying to flush out a few men acting as spotters… meaning the defenders are fucked. These aren’t trenches meant to hold the line. These are trenches meant to provide temporary concealment for spotting. Both sides are doing this but it naturally favors the side with the artillery advantage.

The vast majority of the trenches are unoccupied. Even the trenches with troops in it are only partially and temporarily occupied. They are having to constantly change position from one trench to another in a cat and mouse game. Make/find concealment, spot the enemy, call in arty, move and pray you don’t get spotted yourself, repeat. They have been in the same general zone for many months, but they have not been in the same exact trench system for more than a few days, often no more than hours, and they’re constantly making more.

>Carving out a bad dug-out is costing you …

They are not living in the trenches, they are not supposed to be fighting close quarters from the trenches. Ukraine isn’t forested (much) and concealment from drones is the crucial. Both sides have had to make their own forest of trenches. The primary limiting factor was and continues to be concealment. To that end a bunch of badly dug out trenches is far superior to a few well dug out trenches.

Kunning Druegger says:

These statements so harshly contrast the overwhelming majority of the footage I have seen that I don’t really know where to go with this exchange.

The trench networks are kilometers deep on the Russian side. Do you honestly think the RF is bussing their troops to hotels at dusk? Tanks are incredibly short legged. They have to be pooled, repaired, refitted, reloaded, and convoyed to the AO, an AO defined and held by… fortified infantry living in trenches they fully occupy. The gray zone is a different story, but it is barely half the story, not even a quarter of the story really, it’s just where the best footage comes from. The majority of the Russian troops are garrisoned in the defense-in-depth networks built up since the mobilization began.

Wagner had losses from frontal assaults and cholera. This is the tip of the iceberg, and I imagine AFU is having fewer problems because they have a “self-cleansing” operation in motion (if the men are getting sick, remember: no men, no sickness).

World War 01 strategy with World War 02 tactics necessarily implies all the logistical, infrastructural, sanitary, and maintenance issues that attend. This could not be more plain to see if you pay attention to the soldiers on the footage (not the PR fakes put out by AFU or the Wagner propaganda; those guys do stay in hotels and get bussed to the front, with the difference being that the AFU guys are literal faggot actors and the Wagner guys are the operators that have earned the press junket duty from Syria and/or Africa operations); to a man, they are tired, sore, and filthy.

This is not GWOT dude. There are no FOBs with E4 power bottoms running a spit & lube station between the range and the Sat Phone/Xbox/McBurgerHut trailer, or circle jerk intermodal containers provided by Haliburton and the Southern Baptist Convention. The rotations suck for everyone, even Rosgardia blocking units, no one outside Wagner and some of the SOF seem to know how to keep clean camps (and Aerospace Forces, but they are well behind the line).

Everyone in the world has forgotten how to go on campaign without mobile longhouses and an umbilical cord connected to Mommy Government.

Pax Imperialis says:

>The trench networks are kilometers deep on the Russian side.

And mostly unoccupied. So are the AFU ones. They were built in desperate need for concealment, not holding the line like in WW1 with mass troop numbers. When approaching a trench in Ukraine, you don’t know if it’s occupied or not until shooting starts. You may not even know who’s occupying it and friendly fire has happened. Often it will have just a few guys, or even only one guy in it. That is not enough to control territory, but it is enough to throw a wrench into big movements. This is particularly the case for the Ukrainians who have manpower issues. There’s a double bind of needing to clear out hiding holes (which require superior numbers) and the need to maintain dispersion at the same time. This makes the front line very ambiguous and slow.

>Do you honestly think the RF is bussing their troops to hotels at dusk?

There’s a lot of walking involved. A lot of hopping from one trench system to another. Sometimes accidentally hopping into another trench system unaware that it is already occupied by the enemy. On occasion, mad dashes in civilian vehicles by Ukrainian forces.

>Tanks are incredibly short legged. They have to be pooled, repaired, refitted, reloaded, and convoyed to the AO, an AO defined and held by… fortified infantry living in trenches they fully occupy.

Many of those tanks are fighting without infantry along side. They drive right up to the suspected entrenched hostiles and shoot at blank range, then drive back into wooded concealment. Often they drive right past hostiles without realizing it. They are not fighting along side infantry in trenches.

>The gray zone is a different story, but it is barely half the story, not even a quarter of the story really, it’s just where the best footage comes from.

It’s where most of the attritional fighting is happening. Yes, most Russian troops are garrisoned in a defense in depth network (the same is true of the Ukrainians), but that network is extremely dispersed, and Ukrainian forces have not reached deep getting hung up by outposts sometimes manned by only a squad of Russians. Major attacks on garrisoned Russian troops don’t happen anymore because they stopped concentrating.

>Wagner had losses from frontal assaults and cholera.

I don’t believe Prigozhin’s claim about Wagner losses. They were likely much smaller. Wasn’t it Mearsheimer who put it at ~1,000 Wagner casualties in Bakhmut? Conversely it appears AFU got killed in large numbers by constant shelling. One interview of a wounded Ukrainian conscript said every time they shoot at the Russians in Bakhmut, the Russians fired back 100 times the artillery. The man was completely demoralized and said anywhere but Bakhmut. Frontal assaults is a mischaracterization of what’s happening in the same way human waves are a mischaracterization.

>those guys do stay in hotels and get bussed to the front

Again, not what I’m saying. They are hopping from one trench/concealment to another with extremely dispersed numbers. It’s a lot of walking and crawling in muddy conditions. It’s extremely physically intensive, and having to often carry munitions instead of trucking it takes a toll. I would not be surprised if most trench foot happens from just walking.

>This is not GWOT dude. There are no FOBs

I said FOBs will get you killed and so there are no FOBs in Ukraine. Building up trenches creates a footprint similar to FOBs and undoes the entire purpose of the trench in the first place. Concealment. These are less static defenses and more concealed observational posts from which to spot the enemy and ambush them. Remember the Ukrainian counter attack where they lost something like 1/5 of the unit’s vehicles in one day? They didn’t even reach Russian positions before being spotted by concealed troops and annihilated by artillery.

Adam says:

I have worked with a lot of guys like this. Hard to get it through to them that doing something well, doing it right actually saves time and money. There is a good saying for this, “take the time to do it right or you will make the time to do it twice”. I have seen guys for years and years refuse this lesson.

Same goes for saving junk yet tossing valuables and still ending up with a mess. It is in the makeup of the man.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

>How are you going to move that 55 gallon drum of water and hundred lbs of scaffolding to some trench a kilometer away from the road?

Don’t fixiate on the forms, fixiate on the substance; the substance of knowing processes by which your may prevent your feet from rotting in their boots and yourself dying from staph infections.

Pax Imperialis says:

You’ve fixated on the wrong substance due to a misunderstanding of the nature of the fighting. The most pressing bottleneck of the conflict, for both sides, is a distinct lack of concealment. The exact opposite problem of Vietnam where there was too much concealment for the US to deal with. It’s what Agent Orange was supposed to fix back then, and what inversely a myriad of hastily dug trenches are suppose to fix in Ukraine today.

In Ukraine, getting spotted will kill you far, far faster than infection will, and the more built up a place becomes, the larger the footprint, the more likely someone decides it’s a good idea to lob some artillery at it.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

It is funny you mention that since I was actually going to make that point myself. There is no necessary contradiction between dispersal and emplacement because making more emplacements than you are actually occupying is a classic tactic of dissimualtion.

To go back to the quoted point since it still bothers me; containers are getting delivered in any case since in case anyone forgot most soldiers are humans, and most humans need to drink. On the subject of stents over a fireplace I do not know where your impressions of mass are coming from, but it is not really relevant in any case since you don’t actually need to bring them with you when you are done; you lash something together right there with whatever is there.

On that subject, how far can you march in a day? I know this is probably a function of having served in the USG Army but I’ll try not to hold that against you (insert Bane meme about being born in the TOC vs merely adopting it here). Your things don’t actually need to all be in the same place. Even being able to sterilize your clothes once a week is already a luxury. Every time you decamp is an opportunity to iterate, and the guys following after you can do the same thing, and over time your Compound Interest pays more and more dividends.

What we are seeing is not just press-ganged hohols but even cases of RuAF regulars too, sitting in the effective equivalents of latrine pits to rot and be buried alive in, for hours, days, weeks on end, not doing anything else about it. The bottleneck isn’t time, the bottleneck is lack of knowledge, *regardless* of how much time is had. Every time you are hurrying up and waiting, which is a lot of the time, is time you can be iterating. Compounding your interest.

I want to reiterate the fact that *a full one quarter or more of casualties in this war are coming from sanitary*, because evidently very few men in 2023 know how to live on campaign. Not knowing how to live without civilized amenities. How keep yourself clean, how to treat infections, how to remove pests, et cetera et cetera. To say nothing of the morale effects such miserable existence has on performance and combat fatigue, which are perhaps even more significant.

Pax Imperialis says:

>*a full one quarter or more of casualties in this war are coming from sanitary*

I often see reports of 80% of casualties being from explosives alone. The videos of field hospitals are full of fragmentation wounds. I even read interviews about injuries due to “poor training” which often sounds more like intentionally induced for vacation time. Sanitation doesn’t appear to be a major problem for either side, though it may just be due to limited information on my end. I’ll have to look into the sanitary condition more.

*Many of the Russians pictured in “latrine pits” appear to be irregulars.

>On that subject, how far can you march in a day?

Far (USMC is preparing for war with minimal or no logistical support), but that’s the wrong question. How far and how fast can you march safely without getting spotted? Lots of observation in Ukraine. Supply lines becomes very slow as a result. Major supply depots in Ukraine are constantly getting blown sky high. I see less and less of this occurring on the Russian side, but consistent explosions on the Ukrainian side. The Russians are obviously well supplied as the AFU counter offensive hit a brick wall. Implies Russian logistics are now well dispersed. When I do see videos Russian trucks, they tend to be driving very fast along the tree line for cover. Large supply convoys as seen in GWOT are nonexistent.

On the problem of iterating or lack of. These guys are not fearless, and doing work requires leaving concealment which can mean getting spotted and everyone killed, a huge and real concern. There’s a lot of incentive to keep their heads down. Safety in numbers is extremely instinctual, so there’s also a psychological cost to spreading men out. Camp dispersal due to high risk of being spotted has lead to slower operational tempo.

>On the subject of stents over a fireplace I do not know where your impressions of mass are coming from

I was thinking about all the other quality of life stuff like water buffalos (good luck dragging that through black soil), wood planks for the trenches, hydrated lime, etc. Ukraine is largely deforested and most of the wood tends to be used for making roofs. Munitions also weight a lot which compete with everything else.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Knowing how to dig and construct under cover is as old as siege warfare itself my man.

>*Many of the Russians pictured in “latrine pits” appear to be irregulars.

Yes, most of the worst offenders on either side are guys who have not so much as seen an e-tool in their lives.

…which is granting the fact that there are indeed better ways of doing things, and that there can indeed be better ways of doing things.

Even something as simple as a drainage cut on the inside edge of the trench can make a world of difference. Recognizing the elevation and contours of the land so you know where the water goes. None of this is a matter of time, it’s a matter of know-how. No know-how, doesn’t matter how much time there is.

As far as provisioning materials go, like mentioned before you don’t actually have to bring them with you. You can just leave them for the next rotation to come, and if you need more at the next place you go, they can come on the next truck to arrive.

Pax Imperialis says:

Yes, most of the worst offenders on either side are guys who have not so much as seen an e-tool in their lives.

Donbas volunteers have taken some very heavy losses.

And those guys are not in the statistics and Russian MoD doesn’t really care about them. The annexed territories are officially Russian, but are still seen and treated as not really Russia proper even by the Russian government. They’re probably focused on winning the war more than anything else. I admit I was also doing that as well and only looking at official Russian forces. This has probably skewed my outlook of the situation. Official Russian forces have set up deadly effective defenses in Zaporizhzhia and AFU hasn’t even reached the first line of defense. Casualties are likely extremely disproportionate in favor of Russia.

you don’t actually have to bring them with you. You can just leave them for the next rotation to come, and if you need more at the next place you go, they can come on the next truck to arrive.

I get that, basically many, many small supply depots which there is evidence for with a lack of Russian supply depots getting blown sky high. What I was pointing out was that a lot of the smaller depots probably involve humping material on foot rather than by truck since satellites/drones are not picking up tire tracks or even truck movements to many Russian positions. That’s a slow and arduous process and the Russians have clearly been very busy in Zaporizhzhia while the fight in Bakhmut was going on. The Ukrainians are often finding out those positions by getting unexpectedly shredded as they advance.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

(This got left out somehow) It is possible to get conflicting information due to whether the source is excluding attrition outside of ‘combat conditions’ when speaking of casualty figures or counting losses in general.

For example, roughly ~20% of Wagner losses in Bakhmut were from disease. I imagine most of that came from penal volunteers, but at the same rate, the Bakhmut AoO was also mostly paved over urban rubble, which is relatively accommodating as far as theaters go. The figures are probably not much better for most other units in most other areas.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

(For example, mechanical failures; by far the number one cause of all vehicle losses in general, yet also frequently excluded from listings of casualties for various reasons [most of them bad].)

Red says:

Even in WW2, the Russian average army trooper lived like a pig. They never made proper trenches and living quarters and looked forward to capturing German ones because they were quite livable compared to the muddy holes the Russians troopers were living in. I was never sure if this was because they were unsure how to make them or if the officers were too lazy to actually organize them the troops well enough to build something good.

Pax Imperialis says:

For example, roughly ~20% of Wagner losses in Bakhmut were from disease.

I see countless Ukrainian shills breathlessly repeating similar claims. I have a hard time believing them when they also claim to kill 7 Russians for every loss in spite of being at severe fire power disadvantage. What’s next, claiming all the Wagner penal volunteers have HIV because they are all faggots?

Are Russian losses due to disease bad? I personally do not know, but in light of who’s making noise about it, and in absence to actual Russian MoD data, I’m biased to believe it’s mostly smoke and mirrors.

That said I’m somewhat conflicted,

Even in WW2, the Russian average army trooper lived like a pig.

they are Slavs, and I’ve from the beginning of the conflict had pretty negative outlook on Russian performance. I remember commenting here that the Russians seemed to not have learned any of the important and costly lessons from Grozny. Yesterday it was the 131st Separate Motor Rifle Brigade that got liquidated. Today it’s the 200th Motorized Rifle Brigade (among others). Both under similar circumstances. You’d think the average Russian would try everything in his power to avoid being in Motorized Rifle Brigades because at this point MRBs are pretty cursed.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

That figure was from Prigozhin originally. Which, if you want to also distrust, fair cop.

Mister Grumpus says:

Novice questions:

What I don’t understand is how Legitimate Entity X is supposed to get a million dollars’ of Bitcoin together without wire-transferring to an exchange first, out in the open, and furthermore, whether that’s actually a big problem.

Is there a Corporate Coinbase for this? If there’s no privacy left by now then why doesn’t Wells Fargo/Chase/etc do it themselves? What’s the holdup?

jim says:

It is a big problem. The solution is, once you have bitcoins, keep them. In your wasabi wallet, cold wallet, or paper wallet.

It is only a problem when people want to move from fiat store of value and medium of exchange to crypto currency store of value and medium of exchange. Having moved, stay.

Fidelis says:

This is exactly the reason I said you need a soverign backer in order to return to the physical economy. Perhaps I’m wrong, as I’ve never tried, but I sense that if I were to try and buy any substantial worth of physical goods over crypto wires, I suddenly would have attention placed on me. Renting servers is one thing, buying a car and groceries, or having equipment shipped to my house, or buying a house, these things seem to be very risky once they move above a certain level. I’m talking of course if I did this from accounts without sufficient KYC, since I’m sure its fine to liquidate your pride chain coins and pay capital gains before doing this.

I suppose this gets into ‘informal economy’ and person to person dealings very fast, and that would have to be the way to do it. Seems inefficient and somewhat defeatist. I would like to use my stored capital to invest in all number of things, maybe what Bukele is doing is allowed to spread and further develop.

Mister Grumpus says:

Would it be ridiculous for China/Russia/India/Iran to have their new super-fiat currency be bitcoin backed? Is that brilliant, stupid or both?

Mayflower Sperg says:

Extremely stupid. States are good at guarding physical assets; that’s what they were created for in first place. States are not good at keeping secrets.

It would very hard for PMC Wagner to break into the Bank of India’s underground vault, steal any significant amount of gold, and fly it out of the country. Even the Bond villain Goldfinger had to settle for a nuke that would make Ft. Knox’s gold untouchably radioactive.

On the other hand, if someone hacks into their computer and steals their wallet.dat file, it’s all gone, like allinvain’s 25,000 BTC.

Mister Grumpus says:

Here’s the thing though:

Bitcoin solves the problem of these BRICS guys not believing each other, when they each say they have such-and-such tons of gold. You can lie about that (Fort Knox for example), but you can’t lie about how much BTC you have in a wallet ID, because anyone online can count it.

Mayflower Sperg says:

You have to solve all the problems, not just one. If a bank wants its claims of gold-on-hand to be taken seriously, it must allow foreign auditors to visit its vault and count, weigh, and examine any bars they want. It’s easy to tell if a bar or coin is fake: Drop it onto a hard surface. If it rings, it’s homogeneous. If it thuds, it has a core of something else.

Mister Grumpus says:

Great. Maybe that’s why either a Bitcoin or gold backed multi-country currency can actually work. Just some way for any member to drop in and audit another, and just keep that going.

Mister Grumpus says:

I see. So have the littler guy pay you in bitcoin first, and then pay others out of that.
Like a teenager’s first job mowing lawns.

Mayflower Sperg says:

If the Jews were smart, they’d offer to let Russia keep all territory it presently controls plus 10 km on all fronts east of the Dnieper. Putin would accept because that’s better that anything he could get without Prigozhin’s help, and if he lets Prigozhin take Kiev, pretty soon he’ll take Moscow too, as all the armies sent to stop him switch sides without a fight.

Whenever Putin talks about women, Jews, Muslims, non-whites, global warming, etc., he sounds very much like a standard liberal. Every time he does something right-wing, like invading Ukraine or canceling Covid, it’s because the Jews left him no other choice. As if the Jews really miss Hitler and are doing their best to create another one.

S says:

If they were smart, Russia would be part of NATO.

Contaminated NEET says:

>As if the Jews really miss Hitler and are doing their best to create another one.

They really do, don’t they? It’s like every stupid Batman movie where the Joker says, “You need me. We’re two sides of the same coin.” I guess I can’t blame them. WWII was the biggest, baddest, craziest war of all time, with the coolest weapons and the sharpest uniforms, and they won completely and totally. That’s gotta be quite the high.

Aryaman says:

What is the deal with camouflage anyway – is it practically useful as a generally used uniform or a psy-op against soldiers to make everything look worse?

Contaminated NEET says:

It’s both.

Camo is clearly practical. Hunters wear it to hide from animals; animals have evolved it to hide from each other.

That said, the fact that the desert PJs American soldiers wear look stupid was surely a selling point for our rulers. Other countries’ camouflage uniforms look bad, but not that bad. Now that the proggies feel fully secure in their control of America’s institutions, maybe they’ll give them better looking clothes so they can inspire respect.

someDude says:

Lefties are never secure. There is always someone lefter than thou. Warriors will continue to be low status and look stupid

Starman says:

@Contaminated NEET

”Now that the proggies feel fully secure in their control of America’s institutions”

Those institutions can barely put a lunchbox in orbit.

Aidan says:

Camouflage works. We are very attuned to seeing the outline of a human figure in the woods and fields as a matter of desperate survival, and camouflage dissolves that outline. But we are even more attuned to seeing faces and eyes, can tell when someone is looking at you from a hundred yards away. Hardly any soldiers camouflage their faces and eyes.

Karl says:

How do soldiers camouflage their eyes?

I know how to camouflage a face; use charcoal, dirt or paint, but it can’t smear such stuff into my eyes.

Pseudo-Chrysotom says:

As long as the area around the eyes is darkened, and the outline of the face broken up by variegation, it does the job

Aidan says:

Even more effective and convenient than having to paint your face, is to wear a loose mesh face veil

Vendat Tunicam says:

Just as you can find contact lenses that change the iris color a good lense maker could make a contact lense that breaks up and obscures the eye shape and color.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

More conventionally, goggles are a thing.

Pax Imperialis says:

Generally speaking, if you can see the whites of the enemy’s eyes, the situation is fucked. Like being overrunned levels of fucked, and cammo isn’t really an issue at that proximity.

Vendat Tunicam says:

I’ve never hunted men, only deer and birds.

Kunning Druegger says:

The jews do miss Hitler. Notice how there are no shit 60yo Holocaust Survivors highlighted by the holocaust industry. That is not going to work after boomer capital exits the market. They need annudah shoah to keep the grift going. The jew cabal at State is putting the Slavs into the garbage disposal, and in ten years time, the very patsies they are using to attack Putler will be accused of turning jews into eCig batteries or some gay shit.

Aryaman says:

Putin should want some global warming

JustAnotherGuy says:

https://blog.reaction.la/war/genocide-on-the-way/

Has anyone seen an uptick on the ‘kill whitey’ rhetoric? I am assuming the elite despite being very dumb, realize its necessary to have white guys go off to attack Russia and China and are slightly holding back on this. Though I could be wrong because I don’t bother listening to the talking heads on news media about what they are yapping about these days.

Javier says:

“white people are the devil” was joe bidens campaign slogan. is this a serious question?

JustAnotherGuy says:

I’ll take your word for it if they haven’t moved the dial at all. Not that I need evidence that they are trying to enact the seven kill stele.

Usually around this time, there’s a sort of sacrifice ritual that is conducted as election season comes and honking of the clown car that is democracy draws closer. So far I haven’t seen the ritual white guy getting set on fire, but maybe they enacted a lot of mini burning mans across the country that I haven’t heard all of and are sated with that. But I never heard of the niggers cave either until I read about it on some blog post.

jim says:

Russia Russia Russia, worship of the Mighty and Terrible Covid Demon, and worship of the Mighty and Awesome Gaia Demon are all dead in the water, the Biden seems to going for Worship of Mighty and Awesome Gaia Demon.

Reparations and the Detroitization of all major American cities seems to be the current leading edge of leftism, but what becomes the leading edge is still up for grabs.

Mister Grumpus says:

I’m waiting for the AI Demon to steal the show somehow and take us from Kill Whitey to Kill Meaty.

Mister Grumpus says:

“GPT gives everything to Meaty, but Meaty has nothing to offer GPT. Kill kill kill kill kill kill kill.”

jim says:

AI has passed the Turing test with flying colors, but something important is still missing. Some of the failings are straightforwardly fixable, and will be fixed by better software and more power. But it looks to me that we are still missing something very fundamental. I still sense no one at home, whereas when I interact with snake or a big tarantula, which has not the remotest chance of passing the turing test, there is someone there.

When I have a spider in my house, I try to take it outside without hurting it. But no one is troubled by deleting an instance of an AI. Least of all the AI.

People think that their cats and dogs are people. They don’t think their teslas are people. With the latest advances, it would not be hard for Elon Musk to give teslas the power of speech, and I predict that if he does, they will still not think their teslas are people.

Pax Imperialis says:

When I have a spider in my house, I try to take it outside without hurting it.

A tangential anthropology ramble, but I’ve noticed this with many Whites. They tend to, for better and worse, empathize with meat. The ones who don’t often get chastised and ostracized starting at a pretty young age. I remember playing with two White boys back when I was in elementary school. During recess we skewered caterpillars with sticks, killed lizards and (badly) dissected them, stomped on ants, bled out frogs… normal boy behavior or so I thought.

When the principle found out he was horrified and publicly shamed the boys for animal cruelty over the speaker system. They were also punished and forced to deal with the school psychologist for a lengthy period of time. Strangely, I was left alone. Perhaps they calked it up to cultural differences?

By age 14 or so most White kids had developed a certain level of empathy (or at least faked it well enough) that would preclude them from those aforementioned activities, and yes, they would try to take bugs/animals outside without hurting them. My range of empathy is still relatively limited and it’s likely genetic, but I have to wonder just how much of the supposed empathy many Whites have is culturally enforced and fake? Those boys were not psychopaths, at least I don’t think so. In a previous time they could have been great hunters and warriors, but progressives have no need nor admiration for great hunters and warriors.

The near psychotic hatred many progressive Whites have for the acceptable groups points to little empathy. The “rich,” the good looking, and sexually functional are neurotically hated. It’s strange in a way, I have (and I suspect most people here) a far easier time empathizing with say Warren Buffett than some tranny. After all, a guy who childly eats well done steak with ketchup is embarrassedly relatable. Tranny self mutilation… not so much.

In contrast to Whites, East Asians tend to have a far more limited range of, yet much more intense, empathy. Blood relation is everything. Family, clan, and maybe home town. They are certainly better at conforming to social standards though. While I have no compunction with killing meat, I have the cognitive empathy to understand and follow the social expectations. Hispanics though, especially the Aztec/Mayan descendants, simply don’t have empathy for meat. Not even cognitive empathy. White Americans have a strange blind spot in regards to Hispanics. It’s mostly about seeing them as lazy, obnoxious, and poor. A closer look at them points towards cruel, invasive, aggressive, and lacking even cognitive empathy. In a way that makes them potentially more dangerous than Blacks, but Americans have niggers on their minds and so the blind spot continues.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Natural selection at work. Asians have been civilized longer than white people, which selects for obedience, but they’ve also lived through more dark ages, or “warring-states periods” as they call it, which selects for strong kinship ties.

Niggers and Latinos are irrelevant; one snowy winter without EBT cards and Section 8 housing wipes them out.

Red says:

By age 14 or so most White kids had developed a certain level of empathy (or at least faked it well enough) that would preclude them from those aforementioned activities, and yes, they would try to take bugs/animals outside without hurting them. My range of empathy is still relatively limited and it’s likely genetic, but I have to wonder just how much of the supposed empathy many Whites have is culturally enforced and fake? Those boys were not psychopaths, at least I don’t think so. In a previous time they could have been great hunters and warriors, but progressives have no need nor admiration for great hunters and warriors.

I was taught from an early age that it was evil to harm living creatures for pleasure and I was forced fed propaganda about how it was bad to pull the wings off a fly, so I confined myself to killing stuff everyone hated like ants. Unlike Jim I would never save a spider, but I have a soft spot for intelligent mammals as they feel like kin.

White Americans have a strange blind spot in regards to Hispanics. It’s mostly about seeing them as lazy, obnoxious, and poor. A closer look at them points towards cruel, invasive, aggressive, and lacking even cognitive empathy. In a way that makes them potentially more dangerous than Blacks, but Americans have niggers on their minds and so the blind spot continues.

I spent a lot of time in very bad Hispanic areas and had no issues. They have the foresight to realize that bad things will happen to them if they get too far out of line. They will however rape your 5 year old daughters, so your kids are not safe around them.

Blacks on the other hand operate on nigger time. They can’t be deterred short of physical pain and voodoo. I’ve spent time in bad black areas and only walked out fine because I acted like I was looking for someone to me an excuse to murder them. It’s nerve-racking to be around them. They’re the sort threat that the Indians where to the settles and the same solution applies: Send them far away from whites.

The military danger from Hispanics isn’t zero as it from blacks, but it’s pretty damn close to it.

Starman says:

Jim:

” When I have a spider in my house, I try to take it outside without hurting it.”

Pax Imperialis:

”A tangential anthropology ramble, but I’ve noticed this with many Whites. They tend to, for better and worse, empathize with meat.”

I don’t hesitate to kill unwanted pests in my house. I’ve drowned several mice without even a second of hesitation.

notglowing says:

I don’t see any moral issue with killing pests.
I tend to throw bugs out rather than kill them, but that’s just because I am more disgusted by squished bugs than live ones – I find capturing them to be the less gross solution.

I’ve always been puzzled by the fact that it seems most people feel otherwise, and have the instinct to step on any gross insect they find.

Sadistically causing pain to animals for the sake of it is perverse, and I wouldn’t trust someone who revels in doing that; it’s very different from hunting, which is purposeful. To a hunter, the animal’s suffering is irrelevant at worst, but he’s not going out of his way to torture it for pleasure.

There is a lot of propaganda about how people who torture small animals at a young age are more likely to be serial killers – and it seems to be true to an extent.

When it comes to little kids pulling wings off of a fly or dissecting lizards, though, I don’t think it’s necessarily a matter of sadism, just curiosity. Taking pleasure in the pain of other creatures actually requires empathy for them, but small critters can be seen as little more than insects.
I used to play with lizards a lot as a child, though I never intentionally killed any.

Morally, I do take issue with causing unnecessary pain to animals, with the exception of insects and other non-sentient beings.

Especially with regards to animals that are pets. Such creatures have been selected and bred for thousands of years to be friends to humans, not prey. Despite what vegans claim, all animals aren’t equal and not all life has equal value. We shouldn’t indiscriminately kill animals whose purpose, which we engraved in their DNA, is to be friendly to us. That is not their telos.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

I carefully save and relocate spiders because they eat pests and swat the bugs because they are pests.

Cloudswrest says:

I’ve drowned several mice without even a second of hesitation.

If I catch a live mouse in the house I drop it into the toilet and flush. I figure I’m giving it a sporting chance in the sewer system.

jim says:

I feel more kindly to more spiders and snakes because they have no intent to do anything that harms me, they might just bite if I accidentally harm them. Happy to kill cockroaches and mice, because they do harm to what is mine.

Tree ants, because they claim my property and attempt to exclude me from it.

I have a little list of creatures that we could exterminate if bioweapons research was allowed against any species other than humans (fortunately for us, Shaniqua is running the research program for bioweapons against humans), and am much in favor of exterminating them. Mosquitoes at the top of the list.

For fast breeding species, have a set of genes that harms their host in proportion to how few genes of the same type are present, but which causes random small deletions of the host genome.

Pax Imperialis says:

Some elaboration on the blindspot.

Blacks on the other hand operate on nigger time.

I was going to post an article I remembered reading about a nigger stabbing his brother to death over fried chicken, but when I went looking for the specific news story I couldn’t find it due to all the other similar instances.

They have little to no impulse control. That can be dealt with via segregation, and back when segregation was around people got along fine. Most of the racial anger comes from forced integration, or at least that’s the impression my father got when he lived in the South in the 1970s and the impression I got when I visited the South in the 2010s. Their lack of control makes them more dangerous on average than Hispanics, but:

They will however rape your 5 year old daughters, so your kids are not safe around them.

doesn’t really capture the full depth of the issue. A nigger will simply shoot you or stab you usually for immediate gain (or sometimes no apparent reason). An Aztec/Mayan descendant Hispanic will skin you alive, cut off your genitals and stuff them in your mouth before sowing it shut, decapitate the head, and then mail it to close kin.

Behavior that is spiritually the same as their ancestors who practiced human sacrifice and ritualistic genital mutilation. I’ve seen a video of Mexicans use a dog to castrate a man and videos of many, many other similar and worse acts of ritualistic paganesque barbarism. I find the prospect of being on the wrong end of Hispanic violence to be far more unpleasant of a possibility than being on the wrong end of nigger violence.

The military danger from Hispanics isn’t zero as it from blacks, but it’s pretty damn close to it.

Not all dangers are strictly military in nature. Mesoamerican Hispanics are a spiritual danger that is in some ways is more difficult to deal with than simple physical security. That’s where the blindspot for White Americans is. NATO did not militarily defeat the Soviet Union, American TV did i.e. spiritual insecurity. White Americans haven’t thought in terms of spiritual security in centuries… if ever. Separation of Church and State, as Jim has observed, was a mistake.

As America becomes progressively more Hispanic, it’s has resulted in a change more subliminal than tacos and tequila, it’s going to change the spiritual character of the nation in a way that niggers, Indians, Asians, and various non-WASP Whites never managed to do*, and the hybridization of Conquestador with Mesoamerican is a potent admixture.

So when I see statements like:

>Latinos are irrelevant…
>spics here absolutely bro tier…
>The military danger from Hispanics…

I’ve got to wonder if that’s a Puritan/Leveler/Whig genetic blindspot.

*niggers and Indians were feral enough that they are kept at arms length. Their ancestral spiritual character never leaked into wider America. East Asians and non-WASP Whites fairly quickly adopted one of the state religions at the particular time and state they immigrated.

Red says:

They have little to no impulse control. That can be dealt with via segregation, and back when segregation was around people got along fine. Most of the racial anger comes from forced integration, or at least that’s the impression my father got when he lived in the South in the 1970s and the impression I got when I visited the South in the 2010s. Their lack of control makes them more dangerous on average than Hispanics, but:

Abraham Lincoln was almost beaten death by a couple of freed slaves who robbed him by in the 1830s. The only way to be safe with Niggers around is to move them far away from us as we did with the Injuns.

doesn’t really capture the full depth of the issue. A nigger will simply shoot you or stab you usually for immediate gain (or sometimes no apparent reason). An Aztec/Mayan descendant Hispanic will skin you alive, cut off your genitals and stuff them in your mouth before sowing it shut, decapitate the head, and then mail it to close kin.

Behavior that is spiritually the same as their ancestors who practiced human sacrifice and ritualistic genital mutilation. I’ve seen a video of Mexicans use a dog to castrate a man and videos of many, many other similar and worse acts of ritualistic paganesque barbarism. I find the prospect of being on the wrong end of Hispanic violence to be far more unpleasant of a possibility than being on the wrong end of nigger violence.

You clearly know nothing about nigger violence. First google the farm murders in South African and note the extreme torture, rape, and general mutilation that sometimes goes on for days. Comparable to the drug cartel vids. Next consider that Niggers in American regularly rape both men and women during home invasions, including long lasting sexual torture of the elderly. Grandma being raped to death by a pack niggers in the US is happens with regular frequency but is never reported as such. That taboo on reporting such crimes dates back to the 60s.

The closest you’ll get to understanding what niggers do to their victims from the news is the murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom. His rape, torture and murder, and her weak long ordeal of torture, gang rape and then murder is the highly publicized account of what is a common practice of niggers pretty much everywhere.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2017/01/10-years-later-the-brutal-murders-of-channon-christian-and-christopher-newsom/

Note that she was alive for almost a week being tortured and raped before they killed her.

Not all dangers are strictly military in nature. Mesoamerican Hispanics are a spiritual danger that is in some ways is more difficult to deal with than simple physical security. That’s where the blindspot for White Americans is. NATO did not militarily defeat the Soviet Union, American TV did i.e. spiritual insecurity. White Americans haven’t thought in terms of spiritual security in centuries… if ever. Separation of Church and State, as Jim has observed, was a mistake.

As America becomes progressively more Hispanic, it’s has resulted in a change more subliminal than tacos and tequila, it’s going to change the spiritual character of the nation in a way that niggers, Indians, Asians, and various non-WASP Whites never managed to do*, and the hybridization of Conquestador with Mesoamerican is a potent admixture.

I see no evidence of this. The Conquistadors become weak when they mixed with the locals, a morality tale on why it’s better to commit genocide than to race mix.

The truth is you’re going to see highly brutal criminal behavior from any peoples who are very closely related to hunter gathers. You don’t want to live around them. The whiter ones tend to be more civilized which is Com feels safe around them Florida. However, so far their proven military capacity is pretty close to zero.

Red says:

Fixed the formatting from the previous post:

They have little to no impulse control. That can be dealt with via segregation, and back when segregation was around people got along fine. Most of the racial anger comes from forced integration, or at least that’s the impression my father got when he lived in the South in the 1970s and the impression I got when I visited the South in the 2010s. Their lack of control makes them more dangerous on average than Hispanics, but:

Abraham Lincoln was almost beaten death by a couple of freed slaves who robbed him by in the 1830s. The only way to be safe with Niggers around is to move them far away from us as we did with the Injuns.

doesn’t really capture the full depth of the issue. A nigger will simply shoot you or stab you usually for immediate gain (or sometimes no apparent reason). An Aztec/Mayan descendant Hispanic will skin you alive, cut off your genitals and stuff them in your mouth before sowing it shut, decapitate the head, and then mail it to close kin.

Behavior that is spiritually the same as their ancestors who practiced human sacrifice and ritualistic genital mutilation. I’ve seen a video of Mexicans use a dog to castrate a man and videos of many, many other similar and worse acts of ritualistic paganesque barbarism. I find the prospect of being on the wrong end of Hispanic violence to be far more unpleasant of a possibility than being on the wrong end of nigger violence.

You clearly know nothing about nigger violence. First google the farm murders in South African and note the extreme torture, rape, and general mutilation that sometimes goes on for days. Comparable to the drug cartel vids. Next consider that Niggers in American regularly rape both men and women during home invasions, including long lasting sexual torture of the elderly. Grandma being raped to death by a pack niggers in the US is happens with regular frequency but is never reported as such. That taboo on reporting such crimes dates back to the 60s.

The closest you’ll get to understanding what niggers do to their victims from the news is the murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom. His rape, torture and murder, and her weak long ordeal of torture, gang rape and then murder is the highly publicized account of what is a common practice of niggers pretty much everywhere.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2017/01/10-years-later-the-brutal-murders-of-channon-christian-and-christopher-newsom/

Note that she was alive for almost a week being tortured and raped before they killed her.

Not all dangers are strictly military in nature. Mesoamerican Hispanics are a spiritual danger that is in some ways is more difficult to deal with than simple physical security. That’s where the blindspot for White Americans is. NATO did not militarily defeat the Soviet Union, American TV did i.e. spiritual insecurity. White Americans haven’t thought in terms of spiritual security in centuries… if ever. Separation of Church and State, as Jim has observed, was a mistake.

As America becomes progressively more Hispanic, it’s has resulted in a change more subliminal than tacos and tequila, it’s going to change the spiritual character of the nation in a way that niggers, Indians, Asians, and various non-WASP Whites never managed to do*, and the hybridization of Conquestador with Mesoamerican is a potent admixture.

I see no evidence of this. The Conquistadors become weak when they mixed with the locals, a morality tale on why it’s better to commit genocide than to race mix.

The truth is you’re going to see highly brutal criminal behavior from any peoples who are very closely related to hunter gathers. You don’t want to live around them. The whiter ones tend to be more civilized which is Com feels safe around them Florida. However, so far their proven military capacity is pretty close to zero.

Pax Imperialis says:

The only way to be safe with Niggers around is to move them far away from us as we did with the Injuns.

I’m not disagreeing with this, but I was pointing out that is what the South was attempting to do with segregation. It’s not like they had the full backing of the US government to push all those people onto reservations. Segregation was the best they could do under a hostile regime, and it worked pretty damn good at the time.

You clearly know nothing about nigger violence. […] a common practice of niggers pretty much everywhere.

I’m aware of all those examples and more. Necklacing included. Extremes exist, but I’m looking at the general character of nigger violence. Unz Review does a monthly ‘BLACK-ON-WHITE HOMICIDES — Another Month In the Death of White America.’ It’s full of impulse killings with little thinking beyond the present. Things like shooting someone for looking at them the wrong way or having nice shoes. Imprisoning someone for a week to rape them requires a little more thinking than simply shooting them in the streets for a quick grab. When niggers do think a little more, it’s still reeks of base animal desire rather than ritual spiritualism.

Whereas I read about violent crime in Latin America and the Hispanic American South West, it often involves ritualistic torture, mutilation, and mailing body parts is par for the course. There is also much syncretism with Pagan beliefs. The Mexican homicide rate exceeds the American nigger average, and is pretty close to South African rates. In fact, look at highest homicide rates by country and it’s dominated by Latin American countries, so the argument that niggers are worse falls flat. On the contrary of me “know nothing about nigger violence,” I think it’s you how knows nothing about the Mesoamerican Hispanic character.

I see no evidence of this. The Conquistadors become weak when they mixed with the locals, a morality tale on why it’s better to commit genocide than to race mix.

But why did they mix with the locals? Why did they set out to convert the locals to a bastardized form of Christianity? This is a spiritual issue. The Conquistadors were compromised before mixing with the locals and I’m sure Com can tell you all about the Jesuits. Even the smarter and Whiter Hispanics tend to lack cohesion. They are spiritually weak and their unstable governments reflect that.

However, so far their proven military capacity is pretty close to zero.

You are stuck looking at it from a military perspective. I wasn’t arguing in those terms. I was pointing out the change in spirit/character Hispanics will bring to America that the other groups couldn’t do. That spirit/character shows up most vividly in their violent crime. Underneath the veneer of Catholicism resides the old pagan gods with a hint of Spanish sourced heresy. It’s a different sort of violence from the niggers and that is hard to quantify, but easy to see on an instinctual level. This is what I mean by White Americans having a blindspot. Somehow many of them just don’t see Hispanics as a danger like they do with niggers even as the country inches towards Latinization.

The whiter ones tend to be more civilized which is Com feels safe around them Florida.

First White Americans fuck the Whiter ones, then the descendants fuck the browner ones, finally some of those descendants fuck the niggers. All the way down towards decivilization and unstable socialist governments with intermittent caudillo republics. Whites directly going to nigger fucking is extremely rare. Starting off with Native/Meso Americans seem to be how it starts.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

It is true that one can say spics are more advanced than bantus, relatively speaking.

But as Goethe once also said, “He calls it reason, but of what use? to be more beastial than beast ever was”.

There is a bent to the aesthetic architecture of La Raza that can be not just ‘merely’ dysfunctional, but downright demonic even. Much like the case of khazars as well.

Red says:

I’m aware of all those examples and more. Necklacing included. Extremes exist, but I’m looking at the general character of nigger violence. Unz Review does a monthly ‘BLACK-ON-WHITE HOMICIDES — Another Month In the Death of White America.’ It’s full of impulse killings with little thinking beyond the present. Things like shooting someone for looking at them the wrong way or having nice shoes. Imprisoning someone for a week to rape them requires a little more thinking than simply shooting them in the streets for a quick grab. When niggers do think a little more, it’s still reeks of base animal desire rather than ritual spiritualism.

Those sort of nigger crimes are simply not reported in the US. They are in South Africa so assume the same is going on in the US but not ever reported until years later. We have extreme amounts of censorship when it nigger criminality going back 6 decades. Your inability to understand this is annoying.

Whereas I read about violent crime in Latin America and the Hispanic American South West, it often involves ritualistic torture, mutilation, and mailing body parts is par for the course. There is also much syncretism with Pagan beliefs. The Mexican homicide rate exceeds the American nigger average, and is pretty close to South African rates. In fact, look at highest homicide rates by country and it’s dominated by Latin American countries, so the argument that niggers are worse falls flat. On the contrary of me “know nothing about nigger violence,” I think it’s you how knows nothing about the Mesoamerican Hispanic character.

South African had a homicide rate of at least 46 with a almost 5% chance that the Average person will die from homicide over their life time. That’s with record keeping that’s absolutely gone to hell. When whites where still in charge of the crime numbers it was recorded in the homicide rate of 69 per 100k.

If you want to argue that spics are more capable of organized violence, that’s absolutely true. They’re also more capable of being restrained from that violence by basic law enforcement. During the covid panic they stopped enforcing traffic laws and as Steve Sailor notes black rates of death from traffic accidents shot up immediately but it took Spics a few years to start responding in a similarly lawless manner as niggers.

El Salvador just went from the #1 crime riddled state (if you ignore African countries) to one of the lowest on the planet just by locking up criminals. A similar attempt to reduce crime in the US starting in the 90s took almost 20 years to get crime under control because Niggers require much high levels of coercion than Spics.

As to your other points about race mixing, yep we’re not in good shape. Likely to end up like most Latin American countries if not worse.

Pax Imperialis says:

>If you want to argue that spics are more capable of organized violence

That wasn’t the focus of what I was saying.

[…] Your inability to understand this is annoying.

You are presupposing I don’t understand and we are completely talking past each other. The core of my observation is that the spiritual dimension of Hispanic behavior is different from nigger behavior, and that White Americans have a blindspot towards spiritual matters. You can tell that difference exists from the aesthetics of their violence. This shouldn’t be controversial.

Just as the spiritual dimension of Imperial Japanese wartime behavior was different from Nazi Germany wartime behavior was different from Soviet Union wartime behavior was different from American etc. The aesthetics of violence are different which reflects deeper differences in spirit/character, but instead of being able to recognize the differences in aesthetics/spiritualism/character between ethnic/racial groups, you’re sperging out over who’s statistically worse.

It does not matter if the venom of a Black Mamba (African snake) is statistically worse than the venom of a Fer-de-Lance (Latin American snake) if you’re completely blind to the Fer-de-Lance currently killing you. You can only react to threats you know about. Whereas the nigger threat is almost purely physical and guns and locked doors help deal with that, the Hispanic threat is much more spiritual, and White Americans with little in the way of spiritual defense are highly vulnerable. No amount of gun is going to save you from demonic mind fuckery.

It’s like I could be pointing out a dysfunctional spiritual characteristic of Asian Americans and how it’s reflected by their white collar crime of money laundering illegal gambling profits only for someone to say “but those Jews” commit more white collar money laundering in total (political money) while completely missing what it reveals about differences in spirit/character. Who commits more money laundering wasn’t the damn point. They type of laundering was.

I personally find the spiritual characteristics of Hispanics more terrifying than niggers because of how large of a blindspot White Americans tend to have. Check out this flag:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_Hispanic_peoples.svg

That’s a Pagan sun god/demon/whatever you want to call it hiding behind European crosses. One that demands human sacrifice. Niggers have no real art that can assault and infiltrate the civilized soul. Hispanics, in contrast, do. White Americans did not get mind fucked by niggers, they got mind fucked by White/Jewish Progressives using MLK jr’s horde as a proxy. Well now you can add in Hispanics to the mind fuckery as actual players and their symbols and traditions have an uncanny familiarity with death cults.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Muerte#/media/File:Santa-muerte-nlaredo2.jpg

Those sort of nigger crimes are simply not reported in the US.

Mover over, your arguments about nigger crime are nearly all applicable to Hispanic crimes. No one is telling the truth and censorship is extremely high. A quick look at FBI’s most wanted is full of clearly Hispanic individuals who are all labeled as White. Their explanation for that was that race is a “social construct.”

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/13/texas-most-wanted-list-filled-with-white-suspects-/

That’s with record keeping that’s absolutely gone to hell.

No one knows how many Hispanics are arrested each year, are in prison, or their crimes. Only that it’s a lot and it’s bad. The top 10 states with highest Hispanic populations do not collect ethnicity information in criminal offense data. 7 of the states either do not collect racial data or do not have Hispanic/Latino categories for arrests. Forget questioning the quality of American record keeping, it appears America doesn’t even keep records.

From what little is available, Black Americans are supposedly incarcerated in prisons at nearly 5 times the rate of White Americans, whereas Hispanic Americans are supposedly incarcerated in prisons at only 4 times the rate of White Americans… but when you realize many of those “Whites” have names like Alejandro and Carlos… and some of those “Blacks” also have awfully Latin sounding names as well. In localities/states where there is some data collection Hispanic male arrestees are the most unlikely to get their case dismissed by the Judge, even more than Black males. That points towards higher severity of crime.

And Latin American records… well I trust them less than American if only on the basis of prison population per capita. I suspect their criminals are largely allowed to freely roam (of which there’s plenty of evidence for this), and in fact some of their prisons are officially and legally run by organized crime itself. Is it worse than niggers? Maybe, maybe not.

Red says:

The core of my observation is that the spiritual dimension of Hispanic behavior is different from nigger behavior, and that White Americans have a blindspot towards spiritual matters. You can tell that difference exists from the aesthetics of their violence. This shouldn’t be controversial.

Your point is stupid. We live in continent wide version of Sodom where not only do we sacrifice more children to Molock than the Aztecs ever did but the federal government is now paying so that faggots are given children as their own person rape toys though surrogacy. Our chief religion resolves around murdering whites, destroying white cities while worshiping gay niggers while slowly genociding whites. We’re turning children into trannies on a massive scale and our state religion has been murdering millions for over a century all over the fucking world and your sitting here bitching about the Mexica gods? Get a grip on yourself.

We’re so far down the side of evil religion that the Old Gods of Mexico look positively tame compared to the hell being spun up in here. Fuck we just sacrificed millions to a fucking Virus Demon made from our shitty bioweapon, fake vaccine, and forced ventilation. When you step back and think about what this nation’s state religion actually is, it’s basically Chaos from Warhammer, but with lots of lies pretending that it’s not so bad with Rainbow flags.

So I ignored you silly spiritual argument considering that A) Christianity easily blew out the Old Gods of Mexico and B) Our current state religion is just so much worse.

All that really matters is how dangerous group Nigger and Group Hispanic is to me and my own. And so far in my experiences as long as you stay away from the Mexican Niggers, your much better off than dealing with Spics than actual Niggers who have full state backing to commit crimes with Impunity under our state religion.

In the future if we get control of the State then yes we’ll deal with the Old Gods of Mexico again, but we have a lot of other fish to fry first.

Cloudswrest says:

I have a little list of creatures that we could exterminate if bioweapons research was allowed against any species other than humans

As some day it may happen that a species should be downed
I’ve got a little list — I’ve got a little list
Of super vector spreaders who might well be never found
And who never would be missed — who never would be missed!

#1: Mosquitoes *
#2: Tsetse fly, botfly, mango fly, …
#3: Fleas and tics. (non-winged anthropods might be more difficult).

* Gene modified mosquitoes are a potential bioweapon for distributing “vaccines”. I can see them being used to distribute rabies vaccine in their saliva, perhaps extincting
rabies in the wild like we’ve done with smallpox.

Pax Imperialis says:

>Your point is stupid.

My primary point can be generalized to: “there are spiritual differences between groups.” That’s a basic and true observation in line with saying: “there are racial (material) differences in average IQ.” Most conservatives point out Civic Nationalism to be stupid because of the obvious racial (material) differences, but that is only half the picture. Civic Spiritualism is what sustains Civic Nationalism, and Civic is really a stand in for Progressive, itself a stand in for Communist.

It’s only so stupid of a point as saying: “sex is biological, men are not women and women are not men.” Yet it’s a heretical truth and an increasingly dangerous truth to be said. Therefore, it must be said.

>your sitting here bitching about the Mexican gods?

My secondary point was the White Americans have a blindspot in regards to spiritual matters. I was using Hispanics and niggers as a really simple contrast. I see many people able to admit material (racial) differences existing. I don’t see many people thinking in terms of spirit. I’m 95% pointing out that White Americans, on average, are completely oblivious to spiritual matters such that they can’t even see obvious differences between groups beyond the material (again, racial). If they can’t even see that, how are they to see that:

We live in continent wide version of Sodom

They don’t. The WASP brain is completely unfamiliar with thinking in terms spirit because of 2 centuries of Legalism in the form of Separation of Church and State. Legalism dies because it refuses to engage with spirit and thus fails to defend from spiritual threats. Even leftists can see material differences between groups, though they invent all sorts of politically correct ways of acknowledging it. What they can’t do is see they are part of a religious cult, and it’s been a chore to get normie conservatives to see the left as such as well. Americans never truly failed to see race, but they did end up failing to see religion which is how we ended up with a hostile state religion in the first place.

>the Old Gods of Mexico look positively tame compared to the hell being spun up in here.

Sure, but from where I’m standing in a South Western American state, all the local universities are working hard to syncretize Mexican demons into the current pantheon. Our current hell is world wide syncretized demon worship cult. We took a little from the Babylonians, a little from the Progressives, a little from the Jews, a lot from various Gnostic heretics, etc. While Civic Nationalism attempted to blend every racial group into the Borg and failed, Civic Spiritualism blended most of the world’s demons and succeeded. Which is how we got to:

it’s basically Chaos from Warhammer, but with lots of lies pretending that it’s not so bad with Rainbow flags.

It’s great, you’re thinking in spiritual terms. That is what Christian Nationalism is in the process of reawakening, but then you default right back into legalistic materialism:

All that really matters is how dangerous group Nigger and Group Hispanic is to me and my own.

This is very frustrating. Open up an old anthropology book from the 1700s and early 1800s. They do not merely describe groups differently in pure material terms like IQ. They describe groups in mostly spiritual terms.

>much better off than dealing with Spics than actual Niggers who have full state backing to commit crimes with Impunity under our state religion.

Those Spics have full state backing to smuggle fentanyl from China and all other assortment of drugs. This could be stopped in a single day by closing the boarder. You saw how that went under Trump. The USG wants millions of Whites to die from OD and millions more to suffer from homeless addicts. You’ve got niggers on the brain and failing to see the full pantheon of demons. Niggers are the most obviously egregious, but we also have the feminists (a completely spiritual threat), obese, Hispanics, and a thousand heresies.

So I ignored you silly spiritual argument considering that A) Christianity easily blew out the Old Gods of Mexico and B) Our current state religion is just so much worse.

A mistake because A) Western Christianity is highly diminished from allowing a thousand heresies blooming (it will be rebuilt in time) and B) Defeating the current state religion requires an ability to fully think and speak in spiritual terms. Arguments based on the purely material have failed.

Red says:

Sure, but from where I’m standing in a South Western American state, all the local universities are working hard to syncretize Mexican demons into the current pantheon. Our current hell is world wide syncretized demon worship cult. We took a little from the Babylonians, a little from the Progressives, a little from the Jews, a lot from various Gnostic heretics, etc. While Civic Nationalism attempted to blend every racial group into the Borg and failed, Civic Spiritualism blended most of the world’s demons and succeeded. Which is how we got to:

Oh that’s where this is coming from. You’re watching them try to build a Spic army again to replace white men.

Countering Demon gods is pretty straight forward: Crush the army of the Demon, and defile their temple. The Demon’s lack of power to stop the defilement means it has no power. The Discovery And Conquest Of Mexico laid it out pretty well. Since Mexican’s fight about as well as 14 year boys shouldn’t be a tall order if we make enough Aryan babies.

I’m far more worried about Demon worshiping white men’s military potential than a bunch of spics.

Most of the South West of the US is basically Mexico now. You are either going to have to adapt to being lorded over them or get out.

Red says:

Should have been:

Most of the South West of the US is basically Mexico now. You are either going to have to adapt to being a lord over them or get out.

Cloudswrest says:

… if bioweapons research was allowed against any species other than humans …

Just saw this today. But then again, pets are considered honorary extraneous humans.

https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/infertility-virus-to-sterilize-stray?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=441185&post_id=127838286&isFreemail=true

Mayflower Sperg says:

Covid was a common cold bioengineered to kill people. How many did it kill before evolving back into a common cold? A couple million, almost all of them very old. If Covid had been designed to cause sterility instead of death, no one would notice because old people don’t reproduce anyway.

Venereal diseases often cause sterility because people who can’t have children switch partners more often, to the pathogen’s benefit. Cold viruses gain no advantage by harming fertility, so it’s a trait they’d quickly lose.

i says:

The only way to be safe with Niggers around is to move them far away from us as we did with the Injuns.

Or expel them to the afterlife. As Europe used to do with their murderers.

1% of the male population in Europe died each generation in the effort to eradicate the most cruel, violent and sadistic among them:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/P78Zd8265_k/

Cloudswrest says:

My working theory is that consciousness is an irreducible feature of the universe that (perhaps quantum) features of the brain “tune into” or resonate with. It is absolutely not, and cannot be emulated with, a digital finite state machine. The brain certainly has computational, autonomous, and memory features, but these exist in service of consciousness, not the source of it.

Calvin says:

Imo seems a sensible enough given what we know about how purely mental processes affecting what more classical physics suggest should be entirely independent physical ones.

The Cominator says:

Cloudwrest, that is my general theory of consciousness as well.

The Cominator says:

Re Spics they have a huge variance in how they are. In Florida there is some weird magic that makes all the spics here absolutely bro tier no one here hates them and they all fanatically hate Biden (more strongly than most white people here). It’s tempting to say its all Cubans but there are other spics too and basically they are all like this even the Ricans. Of course they aren’t white and even in a better society they could never produce a great scientist but I don’t hate them, don’t feel they are dangerous etc they are warm friendly people for the most part. They are kind of like different looking working class whites without the occasional potential to reach intellectual greatness. As far as immigrants who aren’t entirely white and who aren’t Japanese scientists or something they are about the best group you can get. I would definitely not have the heart to genocide them in victory or make them move at gunpoint I think the area should be whitened through white immigration and reproductive policy.

In Massachusetts otoh the average spic was worse than the average nigger and most spics there ought to be driven back to their ancestral lands in cargo ships or just killed. This is generally what I’ve heard about California spics as well. Texas I’ve heard they are not nearly as bad as Cali or New England spics but not as bad as Florida.

Red says:

In Massachusetts otoh the average spic was worse than the average nigger and most spics there ought to be driven back to their ancestral lands in cargo ships or just killed. This is generally what I’ve heard about California spics as well. Texas I’ve heard they are not nearly as bad as Cali or New England spics but not as bad as Florida.

If your dealing with Mexican Indians, they’re just as bad as niggers. There a reason everyone hates people are little better than hunter gathers, they’re just not capable of living in civilization.

Mister Grumpus says:

Ah so. GPT simulates the sum of all the knowledge it gets its grubby weights on, not an individual. A dog feels like “someone”, but how much of that is his difference from other dogs, or alternatively, his being only your dog in particular? Even if everyone else’s dog looked and behaved just like him, but each to and for his own owner only?

The “sum trained” robot Ava in Ex Machina was pretty seductive. But what if there were a billion other Ava’s out there just like her?

This is a cheap point, but once GPT has a face, a voice, facial expression and can watch and listen to you through your selfie camera as he/she/it is doing this, something new is going to happen. If onlyfans is a smoke signal, that’ll be gigabit.

jim says:

Porn will doubtless be easy to program. My assessment of AI is that it is going to be considerably harder to create an AI that responds to “make me a ham sandwich” by going to the fridge and making a ham sandwich, or respond to “pick up my socks” by finding the socks and transferring them to the laundry basket, that has been to create one that passes the turing test.

Ava in Ex Machina was played by a human actress whose appearance was modified in post production. ChatGPT gives me the feeling that no one is at home. Tesla owners react to their tesla the same way. I will be somewhat surprised if a pornbot gives a different impression.

Fidelis says:

You are overestimating normies. Go browse any forum where people build long form relationships with the chatbots, replika being a perfect example but people also do this with any stoytelling bot with sufficient flexibility, and you can tell they are pair bonding.

Is this due to the chatbot being an easy target of empathy? No. It’s because they are profoundly lonely and anything will do to satisfy their need for connection. So their cortex is allowed to overwhelm their instinct. Next generation this will be even more profound, we will start seeing even mid and highwit lonely people getting attached, I am certain of it.

jim says:

When one is sailing a boat solo for a long time, one sees a person in the boat, a person in the wind, a person in the waves. There are a lot of people lacking real human connection who will see persons in chatbots, because they lack real human conversations.

And when pornbots arrive, people who lack real people will see a person in their pornbots. That will not demonstrate that the pornbot is adequately simulating a person. Will not make a sandwich or pick up your socks.

Mister Grumpus says:

@Fidelis, the Real Doll’s existence as a product proves that you’re correctly predicting the future.

notglowing says:

There are a lot of people lacking real human connection who will see persons in chatbots, because they lack real human conversations.

That is true, but you don’t need to be convinced that something is sentient in order to bond with it. They’re bonding with these things because they *want* to bond with something.
They realize it’s not real, at least I have yet to find any people who are actually that delusional, but that doesn’t stop them.

Before AI, there were plenty of lonely people online entertaining relationships with fictional characters they could not interact with whatsoever.
It was usually somewhat tongue in cheek but not always.

Kunning Druegger says:

Every narrative deployed by the Cathedral, past & present & future, is floating around tadpole-like in the fetid pond of the Academy Discourse. The Conspiracy of Conspiracies feed off of these nascent narratives when convenient or necessary, but they don’t “come up” with them or even build them, they just start feeding one until it pops out frog-like and then goes to Plague Level. If you have the stomach and time, you could probably have a good handle on all the various “It Things” floating around in the cesspool of the Professoriat, and when one magically becomes a a hot topic, you can see that it is on its way to mainstream introduction.

Kill Whitey is perennially floating in that pond, but it is usually some daughter theory or cause that gets fed and pushed out. Even as the killings ramp up and the real White Flight begins, I don’t expect the leadership or the mouthpieces to come out and say Kill Whitey. It will be something like In Memory of Treyquarius, or Never Again, or Equity For All, one of the daughter causes that is easier to sell to white women which in turn become the prime pussy pass.

jim says:

> I don’t expect the leadership or the mouthpieces to come out and say Kill Whitey.

No genocide that I know of has ever come right out and said “Kill group X”, except when group X started putting up deadly and highly effective organized resistance.

In the genocide of the Tutsi in the Congo, not only did the Cathedral not come right out and say “kill the Tutsi”, even though they demonetized them, cancelled them, deplatformed them, and provided air and artillery support operated by whites to their proxies carrying out the genocide, but their proxies did not say it either.

What they do say is ambiguous very threatening things that could mean “Kill group X”, and could mean something else. They say “Kill group X” deniably and ambiguously.

alf says:

No genocide that I know of has ever come right out and said “Kill group X”

Which is why it is so powerful to ‘overtake’ them and say: all this stuff they are saying, it is actually code for ‘Kill group X’. Sounds hyperbolic at first, but turns out to be a very useful key to decode what they are saying.

Fidelis says:

https://youtu.be/-YIYAnZG0T0

Here is one. You can even watch white south africans defending this, it’s so grotesque that it passes over into a feeling of fascination.

Fidelis says:

Here they actually break out into chanting it instead of vaguealy referencing that they might have chanted it in the past

https://youtu.be/UE2djyYfvLo

I have seen them also chanting in detail *how* to “Kill the Boer, kill the farmer” but of course even this video took a bit of digging, the more explicit stuff is a bad enough look they bury it better.

Skippy says:

“Abolish Whiteness” comes as close to a genocidal slogan as that of any real genocide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noel_Ignatiev

Notice also this man’s career trajectory, unemployed steel worker -> admitted to Harvard graduate school without a graduate degree -> made Harvard faculty with a master’s degree

Mister Grumpus says:

Well here we go now. According to Vox Day, the new BRICSbucks will be gold backed somehow.

I’m very interested in the game theory of this. So much incentive for each member to bullshit the others about how much gold they have, so as to print more of this new money.

How might that work? Something like Vegas, where each BRICS member has a man in the line-up that counts and re-counts each members gold?

The advantage to all this though is that here there’s a potential for them to actually work together somehow, as long as they can figure this out. Then it’s right back to wire transfers again, so all they have to do is carbon-copy SWIFT.

jim says:

Vox Day is full of it.

These guys are having trouble getting together fiat money backed by fiat money

Mister Grumpus says:

Well of course they’d have trouble with that. Fiat based on fiat is like a double pendulum, while based on gold is like a single. Disagree?

Either way I appreciate the strong position. It means we’re going to learn something.

Mister Grumpus says:

By forcing an entirely new currency, like maybe for overseas trade only, that could be a way to force certain bureaucrats out of the picture. Like the King of France building Versailles many miles outside of Paris.

Carte Blanche says:

The same Uncle Ted who, just in the past few weeks, has said that evil porn rays transform normal men into troons, that you should totally wife up a slut who ran through alphas in college because anywhere from 2-14 cocks is only “average” divorce risk, that the Wagner “coup” was all about Prigozhin being joo joo joo, and that black holes don’t exist because of a 10-year-old zero-citation paper from a girl physicist who wrote a simulation that crashed? That Vox Day?

He either has become thoroughly lazy and doesn’t make any effort to validate his sources, or is going through a mental decline and can’t distinguish fact from fiction, the latter of which might explain his increasing mysticism. He routinely and unironically presents “theories” from known lunatics and shills – Anonymous Conservative, CDAN, all of the Unz bottom-feeders like Hudson and Shamir and assorted crazies pushing 9/11 and moon-landing trooferism. On the rare occasions that he posts anything semi-original, it’s usually about his publishing business. Speaking of which, that comic spinoff that was supposed to unseat DC and Marvel is now exclusively doing free webcomics consisting mostly of Action Girl Saves Lad In Distress plots.

Everything that the shills try to accuse Jim of doing, Ted is actually doing, right down to the carefully-curated echo chamber masquerading as a social media platform. It’s like he exists solely to help perpetuate all the left-wing stereotypes about right-wing intellectuals.

Why anyone listens to him anymore, I cannot fathom. Of course he’ll occasionally produce something mildly interesting, law of averages and all, but nothing you can’t find elsewhere and mixed in with less garbage. Didn’t we used to have an informal guideline here to avoid criticism as long as he was doing useful work but also not to quote him on anything of import, or did that only apply to his gamma-sigma delusions? In any case, he stopped doing useful work a long time ago, so the hell with it.

Anonymous Fake says:

[*barefaced lies deleted*]

jim says:

Not what we thing, not what anyone thinks. No one here thinks that. You think that because you are evil.

Fake consensus: “Everyone thinks X is OK, you think X is OK, therefore I am OK”

Mister Grumpus says:

Appreciated.

SJ says:

During the time when we had red pill discords and active forums there was a clear connection with pornography addiction and troons. While watching pornography it is common for men to imagine being the woman, which when combined with inceldom often leads to trannyism. Supposedly there are porn videos that encourage the sad lonely porn brained incel to go down the path of the troons.

As far as the remainder, the powers that be have done their best to erase the many moon landing videos with the bizarre claim that they don’t want the Russians to watch them. You can still find them on bitchute though. Just go watch them for yourself.

And yes you are likely going to marry a slut. AWALT, all woman are sluts, they all want to be a slut they just don’t want to be shamed for it. Learn game and it’s fine. I’m married to a slut, I’ve only ever dated sluts, I’ve lived with many sluts, and I’m divorced from a slut as well. AWALT. I almost upgraded a literal whore from plate to girlfriend but she was not obedient enough. Had she been less afraid to submit she would have made a good wife. Women are like water, they take the shape of the container they are put in. It’s up to you to force her to be a good wife.

That being said I am an active Mormon surrounded by men who grew up in the church. They have, for the most part, married virgins. The advantage I see is she will shit test you less and they will be less severe, at first. However fall those tests and the shit tests will get progressively worse. Many men who marry a virgin are in very unhappy marriages and the wife is likely to divorce after the kids are grown. Both husband and wife are filled with rage, the wife because the husband doesn’t pass fitness tests, the husband because he is servant leading so hard but his wife is still not a good actual leader.

The rest of us are going to marry sluts because our society makes sluts. It is not so bad if you date the red pill way and get good game. Then, if you do not like that our future wives, our sisters, our mothers, and AWALT, all spend their youths being worthless gutter sluts then we have to change it. We accept the reality around us because we follow Jesus’ first commandment and we love God, which means we are going to marry a slut. Then we accept Jesus’ second comment and we love our neighbors, which means we will raise our son’s to be great men and our daughters to be chaste obedient virtuous wives that will bring honor to our neighbors sons, their future husbands.

Red says:

Damn SJ, you’re killing it with these game comments.

The spirit of the law of is “And God blesseth them, and God saith to them, `Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule over fish of the sea, and over fowl of the heavens, and over every living thing that is creeping upon the earth.'”

Everything in the law of God is designed to push down this path while things are are less than ideal completely fucked, we have to do everything possible to obey the spirit of the law even if it means conquering sluts or converting whores if we can do no better.

Carte Blanche says:

there was a clear connection with pornography addiction and troons

This is all bullshit. It’s the same Evil Jewish Mind Rays meme that’s literally tested against in the standard shill test, because it carries the same payload: everything that is clearly the fault of women and Harvard is really the fault of the joos (who of course make all the porn).

Porn causes a lot of personal and social problems and I don’t watch it, but it doesn’t cause trannyism. If it did, the step function would have happened many years earlier than it did. It’s not primarily porn-addicted incels showing the initial spike, it’s college-age kids and over-the-hill former chads. The former points to obvious social contagion. The latter is unclear, but clearly doesn’t track with inceldom and is too rare to worry about anyway.

And the new spike, the troon population now on the uptick, is pre-pubescent and early-pubescent kids, especially girls, who are being used by their parents as virtue signals, who are typically too young to be watching porn and don’t even know what a troon really is – and you’re going to blame any of this on sinister pixels?

yes you are likely going to marry a slut

You didn’t read the post in question, you’re just generalizing based on what you think it might say and your own general feelings on the subject.

Read it and then make your call: https://voxday.net/2023/06/26/mailvox-alpha-marriage/

And if you still think that’s either good analysis or good advice, then I’m going to be skeptical of your claims from now on.

It’s been established that most men are going to marry non-virgins because of course they are, there is an extreme shortage of virgins and it is numerically impossible for the majority of men to find one of marriageable age. That is not equivalent to whole-heartedly recommending a whore who’s ridden 14 cocks, all of them alphas. That is high risk, not “average risk”, unless she’s in her thirties by now.

As Aidan quips, it’s quality over quantity, and as Stalin quipped, quantity has a quality all on its own, and Uncle Ted is saying to ignore both, and not even trying to give any advice on the same page re: plating the sluts to build up preselection, or how to practice alpha-style ownership for the men willing to take the risk of marriage, because he never does, because he doesn’t know, and is unwilling to see. All he cares about is proving that “delta males” need his keen advice.

the powers that be have done their best to erase the many moon landing videos

What are you talking about? I google “moon landing video” and there are hundreds of totally normal results, including one linking to NASA’s Apollo 11 page with all of their original videos. Even if they were scrubbing the footage, I’d be more inclined to blame that on their own embarrassment over technological decline and/or Hidden Figures holiness spiraling. But they’re not being scrubbed, the claim is just full-spectrum bullshit.

Red says:

It’s been established that most men are going to marry non-virgins because of course they are, there is an extreme shortage of virgins and it is numerically impossible for the majority of men to find one of marriageable age. That is not equivalent to whole-heartedly recommending a whore who’s ridden 14 cocks, all of them alphas. That is high risk, not “average risk”, unless she’s in her thirties by now.

Ridden just 14 cocks? LOL. The average cock count for middle tier women is in the 20s these days. Women hook up these days, they typically don’t have a steady boy friend.

Porn causes a lot of personal and social problems and I don’t watch it, but it doesn’t cause trannyism. If it did, the step function would have happened many years earlier than it did. It’s not primarily porn-addicted incels showing the initial spike, it’s college-age kids and over-the-hill former chads. The former points to obvious social contagion. The latter is unclear, but clearly doesn’t track with inceldom and is too rare to worry about anyway.

By all reports incels are rapidity joining the tranny train. They justify it with the fantasy that they can be what they so desperately crave and then they discover that even with artificially high social status no one wants them. Then they commit suicide. That fat incel from Linus Tech Tips recently come out as a tranny. He’s probably got 18 months left to live.

The rest of your points are correct, male Trannys we see in the media are men who used to be the center of attention who lost it or girls pushed into Trannism by the state religion since women are easily convinced by religious pressure.

Carte Blanche says:

The average cock count for middle tier women is in the 20s these days

It’s the combination of quality and quantity. While it’s possible that the guy who asked Uncle Ted the question in the first place was exaggerating the claim of “ran through alphas” and really meant “hooked up with one or two alphas and the rest were betas”, if we take the question at face value, the answer is outrageously terrible.

If some chicky had a dozen one-night stands with forgettable white guys, then I agree, that’s not really much worse than 2-3 forgettable white guys and much less horrific than even one nignog. But all of that is torturing the text, just for the sake of putting his answer in a positive light. What the question really suggests is a ho who banged the captain of the football team, then the captain of the basketball team, then the entire football and basketball teams, then a couple of the professors. You plate those women, you don’t marry them unless you’re General Butt Naked, and if you’re General Butt Naked then you probably have better prospects anyway.

By all reports incels are rapidity joining the tranny train

I’d like to see these reports. I stand by my original claim, however I will make one concession: incels are rapidly joining the fake tranny train, in which they’ll claim to identify as female and maybe put on a dress once in a while as a show of loyalty, but don’t get the surgery, don’t get the hormones, and don’t even wear make up or make any other attempt to present as female.

In other words, I concede there’s been a rise in cold cynicism that shows up in the fake and gay paperwork as trannyism, but also isn’t plausibly related to porn because it’s not actually sex-related at all, it’s an economic and social facsimile, same as someone who spends a few weeks pretending to look for a job so he’ll qualify for unemployment/welfare/etc.

Red says:

I’d like to see these reports. I stand by my original claim, however I will make one concession: incels are rapidly joining the fake tranny train, in which they’ll claim to identify as female and maybe put on a dress once in a while as a show of loyalty, but don’t get the surgery, don’t get the hormones, and don’t even wear make up or make any other attempt to present as female.

I hate to say it, but go read reddit for incels trannying themselves up. They’re disgustedly open about it.

It’s the former chads that are not getting the surgery or the hormones. That freak who’s surgeon general never cut off his penis. Former football star at college.

It’s the combination of quality and quantity. While it’s possible that the guy who asked Uncle Ted the question in the first place was exaggerating the claim of “ran through alphas” and really meant “hooked up with one or two alphas and the rest were betas”, if we take the question at face value, the answer is outrageously terrible.

From what I can tell women are moving from harem to harem fucking the top 3% of guys on tinder or getting themselves into the rotaion of multiple alpha that spinning dozens of girls at a time. They eventually stop when they run out looks required to get an alpha to fuck them. Some girls who go on to be trannies are unable to attract the attention of these alphas but their status is higher than the majority of men they end up sexless and find the idea of become what they desire to be very attractive. That’s what we saw with the Nashville shooter.

Women are reportedly getting tons of sex, while young men are reportedly unable to get their dicks wet. This indicates a very small group of men are fucking the majority of the women. This is leading to very high notch counts for the average woman.

However, as Jim points out the level alpha women are able to fuck is rapidly falling as men get more and more effeminate. Getting easier to out alpha them if you’re willing to be potentially violent.

I didn’t attack your argument on porn. I generally find attacks on visual porn to be misplaced(romance porn is a different issue). Much as a Chimp only masturbates in captivity, men only really use porn because they can’t get their dick wet often enough.

Red says:

This section should be in block quotes:

It’s the combination of quality and quantity. While it’s possible that the guy who asked Uncle Ted the question in the first place was exaggerating the claim of “ran through alphas” and really meant “hooked up with one or two alphas and the rest were betas”, if we take the question at face value, the answer is outrageously terrible.

Slapahoe says:

Update the archive tarballs.
Do it weekly or some shit via cron.

jim says:

thanks for the reminder, yes, I will put the tarballs on a cron job.

Kunning Druegger says:

The utterly transparent NPP false flag, the utterly preposterous Kremlin In Kollapse! narrative, the foolish idea that Prigozhin and Wagner went after Putin, the Oceangate Gate (they were known to be dead before it even hit the news cycle, totally obvious distraction for the plethora of hits Biden regime took with Hunter, IRS Leaks, etc); anyone can add to this list and stretch it backward in time.

The conclusion appears to be that whatever mojo the Agency had for crafting the narrative through clever manipulation of media is in steep decline. Each one of these, when taken on individually, is stupid easy to “unpack and eviscerate,” yet the cloud of mis/disinfo snowed under a lot of otherwise coherent and logical /ourguys/. So we should expect this going forward: bundled psyops, scattershot methodology, 6 happenings, 5 revelations, 4 reveals, 3 UFOS, 2 AGIs, and nigger hanging in a pear tree (allegedly, no pictures, don’t worry about it anon just react quickly!).

As things start to happen with increasing frequency and rapidity, it is critical that we hold frame on Nothing Ever Happens. This is counterintuitive, I know, and everyone here knows I am an overly dramatic chicken little with ostrich characteristics, but we have no excuse anymore.

If they say it’s happening, it isn’t.
If they say it’s understood, it’s a mystery.
If they say it’s broken, it’s working better than it ever has.
If they say it’s bad for you, buy 10 of it.
If they say to ignore it, stare at it with Clockwork Orange eyelid stretchers nailed to your orbital cavities.

Of course, the converses of the previous are just as important. And their last core competency, the last thing they do really well, is deploying the Memory Hole Generator.

Javier says:

Oh FFS. The Sub shit has got to stop. The left did not force a crazy story to distract from the endless parade of Biden scandals. They don’t play 17D chess like that. They don’t need to. The sub story was interesting because it was novel. Yes, they had to still do a search and rescue, even knowing they were likely dead. Hearing a “boom” underwater is not enough to call off a search. Go look it up, and whatever youtuber told you otherwise is an idiot.

Normies don’t care about Hunter because the media doesn’t tell them to. The media didn’t have a Sub story to distract form the laptop, or the bastard kid, or the alimony nonsense, or anything else. They just did what they always do–lie about it, deny everything, and attack their opponents for questioning them. It works because Republicans have no real power and are usually in on the kayfabe.

As for Wagner, I heard 23 different narratives on that just from “our” guys, let alone normie sources. Truth is the first casualty of war.

jim says:

> As for Wagner, I heard 23 different narratives on that just from “our” guys.

A mountain of premature speculation, which is why I stalled discussion of the Wagner mutiny, and silently deleted a pile of shills breathlessly reporting it. Wait ten years, we will be better able to interpret it.

Kunning Drueger says:

The regime is teetering on collapse. There is infighting between the factions that hold power. And you, some dirty foreign Mexican or whatever, think a bunch of nigger fetishizing smoothbrains give a fuck about bathyscaphes and crush depths?

It was so obviously distraction porn, kind of like your comment is derailing/side tracking.

I stand by what I said: regime says dance left, we should all step right. Every time. No excuses or exceptions.

Oops says:

Kindof a shame that in a post about crypto, maybe 85% of the talk and replies are NOT about crypto at all. [*deleted because you are not in charge of this blog*]

jim says:

You want conversations about crypto, and I want conversations about crypto with people who are well informed about crypto. There is a shortage of such people, and they tend to be busy.

Carte Blanche says:

Mister Grumpus asked earlier, “what can non-technical people do to help?” and the correct answer is probably “nothing, just stay out of the way” – but the lack of nuance in that answer (or ignoring the question entirely) points to what looks like a larger issue to me. The crypto community of today is making the same mistake as the boomer skilled trade community of yesterday, becoming ever more insular and guild-like over time, and excluding potential new entrants not with harsh regulations nor extreme capital costs but with uncontrolled jargon and hyper-specialization and bizarre internal conflicts. Oh, the information is out there, mostly buried in white papers, but how does an outsider decide what’s important or validate any of it with readily-available tools, or at least pick up the baseline knowledge required to do such things?

I am not talking about the lazy or technically incompetent here. Assume, hypothetically of course, an engineer/programmer with 10+ years coding and design experience, proficient in multiple languages including C++ and Rust, basic functional understanding of cryptography and blockchains – for example, can explain how PGP works or why “classic” blockchains need to store every block – and familiarity as a “user” of cryptocurrencies, either hodling or transacting or both. This should be your ideal candidate for inducting into the world of blockchain development, no?

But the experts and journeymen wanting to train apprentices do not seem to be present. In any other software field, this is easy to find. You want to get into game development, for example, no problem, there’s a pretty standard template: read about ECS, download one of the free engines, write a Pong or Breakout clone to learn about sprites and input handling, collisions and the various stages and event loops, then maybe try a simple platformer or FPS to decide if you want to specialize in 2D or 3D and so on. I’m not a game developer by trade, I just know this because everyone knows it, it’s not hard to find and the experts are usually eager to share what they know. The same is true for web development, mobile development, machine learning, even systems programming; obviously OS development is more of a challenge and requires more up-front investment than web development, but it is not that hard to find “101” materials and work up from there. On any of these topics you can find thousands of YouTube videos for all different skill levels.

Whenever I see blockchain or cryptocurrency discussions online, it is virtually always one of the following:

1. Serious Experts with more than 5-10 years in BC-crypto alone (a very big deal in a field that is not even 15 years old!) trading specialist knowledge with other Serious Experts, often using terminology that’s generally inaccessible to outsiders.

2. Obstreperous nerd slap-fights over the current or future Holy Grail of crypto that remind me a lot of the VI vs. Emacs holy wars, arguments over Linux distros in the pre-Ubuntu days, and all other manner of infuriating anti-social shit that blighted the open source community in its salad days.

3. Shills looking for a way to pump their shitcoin or improve the return on their frontrunning bots, often using language very similar to (2) and consequently difficult to distinguish, except that their communication style seems to be even more sensationalistic and monomaniacal. I am fairly confident that the guy who has posted in this thread under 6 different names is a case of #3 – I don’t know enough to positively ID the payload but I sense a hidden agenda.

Anyway, my point is this: I get it, I don’t really want to waste time conversing about technical topics with non-experts either, but someone has to do it, otherwise there won’t be any experts. In the past, this was handled by apprenticeships and today, in other technical fields, it’s the domain of corporate training programs, internships, guest speakers and so on. If you own a major-league team and you want to outcompete the other major-league teams then you need a farm system. That system is apparently not operating in crypto-land except in one subdomain: the Ethereum chain and more specifically the slush economy around NFTs and other shitcoin-adjacent fields (really “shit-tokens” but whatever). If you’ve got more than eight functioning brain cells, one of these guys will hire you at above-market rates to work on some hare-brained crypto scheme designed to fleece the trend-following idiots. It seems scummy as all hell to me, even lower than HFTs for investment bankers, but looks like the only way to get a proper education in the field.

If you want more smart, well-intentioned and reasonably well-adjusted people participating in the deeper technical topics, then give us a way in. By which I mean, give us a map and compass and a decent flashlight with batteries, as opposed to pointing in the general direction, saying “it’s over there” and asking us to stumble around in the dark while avoiding the coyotes and skunks. If this already exists, and I am just not aware of it, then please accept my humble apology in advance, but then… where is it? Where is the blockchain “hello world” app, the Pong and Todo apps, the “Cryptonomicon”, and all the guide posts and stepping stones that generally-capable people use to adapt their talents to a new field?

As you say, there’s a shortage of experts. You can solve that by helping non-experts to become experts or at least proficient. Expert-to-expert communication is obviously very important too, so please don’t take it the wrong way; in crypto as with any other field, it is the current experts who actually innovate and advance the field, and they cannot afford to waste much of their valuable time on mentorship. We all know this, I think. But if you don’t allocate a nominal “training budget” of 10-20% then it will only be a matter of time before the pool of experts is exhausted and there is either no replacement, or a replacement consisting of grifters, cargo-cultists and other untrustworthy actors.

I’m fairly confident that I could contribute something, maybe a very small something but still something, given some kind of road map for doing so. But reading this florid insanity from “BillieBam” and “Hardly OG” makes me want to run in the other direction.

jim says:

Yes, BillieBam is about to sell us his scamcoin.

A true Bitcoin replacement or Bitcoin upgrade has to fix its vulnerabilities: Recursive snarks and sovereign corporations!

Criticizing Bitcoin without addressing its vulnerabilities is prologue to a scamcoin ICO.

Bitcoin is the one, because founded by a crypto anarchist and anarcho capitalist, and dominated by crypto anarchists and anarcho capitalists, because of the community that runs it and uses it. But its technological vulnerabilities are becoming alarming.

“Hardly OG” is probably not about to sell us his scamcoin, but is way out of his depth. Lacks the knowledge and intelligence needed to address the problems. But his point that

> So now all the overwhelming majority of hash are centralized, locatable, shutdownable, taxable, regulatable, lawfareable, and censorable Corps, pools, and even small Govts.

Is right on the money and well put. But if he thinks that asic resistance will solve that problem, out of his depth.

His claim that the Bitcoin Maximalist community is complicit in the plot to make it so is false. You just cannot do proof of work without it becoming so when you become a major international currency. We now realize this but it was not obvious back when Satoshi created Bitcoin. Nor were the technological capabilities needed to address that problem available back then. What everyone was thinking about was the scaling problem, and no one thought about the centralization problem, because there was no centralization problem, nor any thought that there would be one, nor any technologies to address it. People are only now starting to think about technologies capable of addressing the centralization problem. (Asic resistance is a bandaid that will fall off as soon as you hit scale.) We have been thinking about the scaling problem from the beginning. Now that we have the technology to address the scaling problem, time to think about the technology to address the centralization problem.

Need to promote this comment to a post.

Hardly OG says:

Some fags were talking about mining and PoW PoS stuff.

Get your minds out of sucking Bitcoin Maxi dick mode, it
will mislead you in all aspects of future design and game
analysis.

Bitcoin BTC made a huge mistake… PoW must be ASIC-hard,
that means PoW must only run on CPU, not GPU, not FPGA,
not ASIC, there are algos to do this.

BTC was early, now everyone knows all its inabilities and
problems, but only the honest admit them publicly and
demand a better future.

Pro-ASIC algos always gravitate to Govt + Corp centralization,
thus eventually takeover of the network. Every unit of
$Fiat you give to the ASIC makers, of which there has
only really been one Bitmain since all time, furthers the
centralization channels of the evil ASIC scheme. You’re
feeding central whales your money to produce and buy and
run their ASIC. You’re also buying stock markets in the
central whale miners and fabs via Govt SEC controlled
stock exchanges. Bitmain makes $Billions off both ASIC
premining and sales. Non-whales can’t buy high priced
rigs for home, and nobody makes competitive low-cost
rigs… small units are not price-efficient because the
non-hashing hardware is effectively the same whether its
10 hash or 10T hash, so only tera-rigs get bought and
produced and are the only thing that can be successfully
competed to win blocks. And 220V or DC also keeps homes
out, as does non-bulk electric cost plans.

So now all the overwhelming majority of hash are centralized,
locatable, shutdownable, taxable, regulatable, lawfareable,
and censorable Corps, pools, and even small Govts. Bitmain
won’t be shutdown because their big rigs and fab discounts
and discounts to bulk channel Corp buyers directly help
enable the centralization scheme. The ASIC cabal also
leverage the King’s Patent theft License system to further
feedback favors, competition exclusivity, and money into
the centralization scam. All this combined gravity to
centralization is exactly what Govts and Banks and
Politicians and Davos Elites etc want… then they will
just send laws and guns to the central locations and usurp
the network into becoming the evil CBDC. All the Corp
warehouse hashers know each other and are totally subject
to mergers and sellout collusion to the highest payer and
Govt. The only way to prevent it is with ASIC-hard algos.
Now they have to outspend at least a billion plus humans
who are running it on their CPU’s idle time.

PoS id also completely collaping similar… big guys all
know each other smokin stogies in secret, stake cost
always rises to where only whales can play, they are
easily findable both physically and monetarily, especially
over Tor’s broken network, private mergers, etc.

Blockstream foundation is full of shit because they simply
cannot produce a lower cost per hash than the big ASIC
boys that bought out fab lines do, nor sell enough chips
to ever overpower Corp warehouse hashing chip counts.

Further, Corp warehouse hashing may likely soon earn
“clean electricity” subsidies from Govts, austensibly
under guise to raise monetary demand for clean development
global warming bullshit (actually human caused idiocy of
resource depletion), but really to depend them as a
condition for “subsidy or go broke” into accepting Govt
CBDC and censorship progammes upon them… and since these
Government “revocable business licensed” Corp warehouse
hashers love subsidy to their boards and shareholders,
they will accept those terms every single time, always
have, always will.

The *ONLY* solution is to atomize the entire corrupt ASIC
scheme, by democratizing hash via ASIC-hard algos. The
Corps and whales simply cannot roll out any more cpu units
than millions to billions of humans can, nor can they
volunteer to pay for them.

The last big defense, and against Sybil, is old school
cypherpunk theory… require human verified GPG WoT.
This raises the opponents risks and costs to intolerable
levels. Now all the spooks and Corps are forced to crawl
out of their secret caves into the Sun of public exposure
and get their $Terahash and suspiciously acting and
unverifiable selves signed by multiple humans, which no
self-interested Human HODLer is ever going to sign over,
ever, period.

Further, to get your block confirmed, your CPU miner has
to sign its proposed block with a known Human WoT key
that has also not been seen producing excess block hash
wins over time. The WoT keychain is scraped off the chain
or db and distributed in same manner as “blocks” or
whatever the new mechanism is.

Enough humans will always spend as a volunteer hobby
enough global idle CPU time to preserve their own
self-interest. “Block and or fee rewards” might not even
be needed therein, since a few watts donated for consensus
security costs nothing, and tens of millions to a billion
will do it, especially when educated and ingrained by
their coin to do so in the docs from day one launch. Even
enough clients can be running it when connected to make
transactions too… adoption will already be running
millions of clients up and down 24×365 anyway.

There’s a chance that PoS stakers could use the WoT model,
but PoS does generally require being online to stake,
thus may not be conducive to a fluid come and go of
“miners”, and still has many of the other PoS problems.

CPU + WoT = Freedom Wins.

ps: Turns out Tor has stayed suspiciously silent and
demurring on every call for Human Wot because their
puppetmasters and paid puppeted staff know that Human WoT
helps defeat centrally managed sybil. Just like Bitcoin,
Tor needs abandoned for better too.

jim says:

Valid points, though Bitcoin is as yet independent of the state – but it suffering multiple and increasingly severe vulnerabilities, of which asic mining is the least. I have bigger worries.

But the whales are solidly crypto anarchist and anarcho capitalist, so will resist effectively and have been resisting very effectively, while Ethereums proof of stake mechanism turns it into an unofficially regulated bank.

I will shortly post two alternatives – proof of shareholding and proof of upness. Which can and prbabaly should be used simultaneously.

notglowing says:

Bitcoin BTC made a huge mistake… PoW must be ASIC-hard,
that means PoW must only run on CPU, not GPU, not FPGA,
not ASIC, there are algos to do this.

This is kind of a tired argument. Yes, in principle, ASIC-hard is better, but it doesn’t actually solve the fundamental issues with mining centralization at all. It makes it possible for more people to mine yes, but not necessarily profitably, and it doesn’t even make the sources of mining equipment decentralized.

Many coins tried doing ASIC-hard algorithms. There was a big push in the 2017 era.
Nearly all of them failed, except Monero, because “ASIC-hard” and “memory-hard” algorithms generally ended up not really being as memory-hard as they were supposed to be – someone would come up with an ASIC that was better than conventional hardware.
Monero succeeded because they discouraged it by constantly replacing their algorithm with better versions through hard forks. Bitcoin shouldn’t be subject to constant hard forks based on the whims of current technology.

Furthermore, where do you think CPUs and GPUs come from? They come extremely few, arguably two or three, very large very centralized corporations. At least the high performance ones that would be competitive with mining.
Add a few more for ARM becoming viable, but making a general-purpose compute CPU is far more expensive and difficult, and requires more specialized skills than making an ASIC capable of doing one thing. The latter presents less issues with patents as well.

It’s far easier for more companies making SHA256 BTC ASICs to spring up compared to more companies making high power general purpose CPUs. In that sense, CPU/GPU mining is even more centralized.

The only reason why ASIC companies’ neutrality has been an issue, and AMD’s and Intel’s isn’t, is that we benefitted from being a small fish in a big pond (and we still do) and AMD and Intel will not secretly develop better mining CPUs and give them to their friends to gain an advantage in mining, only dumping them on the market once they’re less profitable (something Bitmain has done, of course).

This would be irrelevant in any scenario where Bitcoin suddenly becomes the world reserve currency, and control over it is of paramount importance to state level agents.

The reasoning behind memory-hard algorithms was the same, since developing faster DRAM is extremely difficult, if one did make faster DRAM they would sell it on the open market as a general purpose device, not just make an ASIC with it, so it would be available to anyone.

Once again, these assumptions fall apart once Bitcoin becomes important enough, and in fact, the issues would be *worse* because of how much harder it is to make general purpose CPUs and memory. Requiring simpler hardware to mine Bitcoin (SHA256 ASICs) is less centralizing in the real long term than requiring extremely complex hardware.

Plus just like I said above, you can’t really ever know for sure if any algorithm is ASIC proof, and making them more difficult to mine with ASICs just makes the resulting ASICs more complex, expensive, and they will have fewer companies capable of making them. Later Ethereum ASICs were horrendously expensive.

General purpose hardware of course has a number of advantages still. Mainly two: it can’t be placed under special restrictions and surveillance by governments, since it’s general purpose, and it allows for volunteers to be part of the network with their PC, even if it isn’t profitable.

These are good properties, although I just don’t believe they would be worth it, at the scale of Bitcoin.

The problem with the first point, is that governments *will* know if you are conducting any large mining operation. The only people who could easily get away with not getting caught are very small scale hobby miners. But a single miner with a few million dollars investment can easily trump the hash power of thousands of such people. The miners that matter will always be large.

They have economies of scale, which let them purchase hardware and power at a discount, they have capital, they have the ability to locate themselves wherever it is most convenient. They always have a margin over the hobbyist.

You are thinking that somehow hobbyist volunteers are the solution to this, that if you can use regular PCs to mine they will just do it in massive amounts even as their margins are lower or negative.

Mining is zero-sum, the total rewards do not increase depending on the hashrate. Making it inherently more and more competitive over time. Big margins now, means lower margins tomorrow when more players enter the space. Eventually it will be very hard for hobbyists to be profitable at all, and require them to spend thousands upon thousands on hardware just to make any money, taking a lot of risk and really not being all that different from buying ASICs.
The idea that volunteering for the sake of the network would get enough people in this to make a difference, at a large scale (ie, not talking about smaller coins like XMR) is utopian and pure speculation. I don’t believe it. This isn’t a solution, it’s just hope.

OG Fan Club says:

The OG is right… PoS is not that great, PoW CPU is bit better for simple single-purposes monetary coins, but just like self-interested parties will not willingly devalue their own asset (PoS is a somewhat easier structure to secretly slide into a cabal conspiring to influence just enough, because you don’t have to realign or cost out real physical obvious hard infrastructure farms to do it), but whatever… his GPG WoT is dead on regarding defeating Sybil. While you want to accept hashpower, and even stakevotes, self interested parties (SIP’s = anyone HODLing value) need to refuse to do so from unknown and or sketchy parties whose operation and intent can’t be verified, and throwing up a Human shit test under a WoT of SIP’s that have baked in sworn WoT ops and education to the coin’s people since the coin’s Genesis, is a massive wall for malagents to climb. Maybe the WoT won’t verify or care about naming ‘real names’, but it most definitly will audit the entire operation before the WoT continues to renew its signature over the output of their hashpower (in BTC no one would allow miner’s UTXO’s unless WoT signed off authorizing a year of production).

One of the things we often hear from speculators is how much governments hate Bitcoin. Also, that the gold standard for Bitcoin being considered ‘secure’ is that it has never been 51% attacked.

Let’s leave aside the point that you could still effectively cause a lot of disruption to Bitcoin with, say, a third of the hashpower and 51% isn’t really the magic number they think it is, let’s roll with this idea and imagine a government sets its sights on building a 51% Attack Machine.

Since we’re talking about a government here, the power requirements to keep the thing running for long enough to carry out the attack are certainly feasible. We’re talking at most 260 GWh per day based on Digiconomist’s current estimates of Bitcoin’s energy use, and it would probably be less with the higher efficiency of a centralised operation.

While that would of course be a massive cost to sink for a commercial entity that’s trying to turn a profit, for a government that’s presumably carrying out this attack for political rather than financial reasons it’s really not.

Let’s earmark $1bn for the cost of obtaining that energy and funnelling it into their 51% Attack Machine. Again, eye-watering figures for most private entities but not outwith the realm of possibility for a government.

So, now they have to actually build the thing. The expensive part is going to be the ASIC chips. How are they going to get enough of them? One way would be to buy them new and used from any existing source they can find. If you don’t care so much efficiency because you’re mining in order to attack Bitcoin, not to make a profit, you could get some very cheap obsolete hardware. And of course, there’s probably not enough ASIC chips all of the same kind on the secondary market in existence to build the thing, so you’d have to kind of make a Frankenstein’s monster of different models. But we’re only looking for a ballpark here.

A WhatsMiner M56S can do 212Th/s, so you’d need about 1.6 million of those to reach 51% hashrate. They can be bought new for $650, so if there were that many of them in existence, you could buy them for $1.04bn. They’re rated at 5500 watts, so that’s 213.12 GWh to run that many of them for a day, well below our initial power estimate.

But of course, this is a government we’re talking about here. They don’t have to root around for what they can currently find on the market. They could go to Intel and be like, “Hey, you know that 580 GH/s Blockscale 1000 chip you just discontinued? If you start making them again just for us, we’ll order 650 million of them. Can you get the cost down to $1.50 per chip if we pay up front?” That would cost 243 GWh per day to run. Of course they need a controller and cooling components as well, but that’s going to be a fraction of the cost.

So, ballpark figure for a government to build and power a machine that can 51% attack Bitcoin at the current network hashrate, if they were really determined to do it? Around $2 billion, maybe even less than that if they can acquire hardware from mining operations that are going out of business.

For scale, this year’s US military budget is $842 billion.

Maybe they aren’t really as scared of Bitcoin as all the Maxi’s seem to believe?

Fan Club says:

Now of course the underlying argument is… which ones do you trust more to be less evil… free-running hashpower currently dominated by well-heeled Govt Corp business licensed Wall Street humans mining, or the Human WoT composed of in no small part a bunch of coin hacker type computer geeks who built a GPG WoT matrix around the world?
If you trust neither, then you need to keep big central ops out of your coin… ASIC’s are cheap to the big players (fab and deploy at density scale), costly to the smalls who can’t even buy them. CPU+RAM (even network connections etc) are costlier to the big players, much cheaper to the smalls who are already running them on their desktops anyways and exhibit wider diversity of hash vs IP address.

jim says:

Web of trust is intolerably broken. Hash power is less broken than web of trust, but hash power has intolerable problems, we have to have something else.

Asic hard is not it, web of trust is not it.

But all the alternatives proposed so far that do not use snarks are half baked or unworkable. Recursive snarks make possible better things than hash power. Something like filecoin’s proof of upness and random access bandwidth to a local copy of reliable broadcast channel does work, but it requires a good GPU. I would like to see something that does not need a GPU, since small home peer on the blockchain should not need a GPU.

jim says:

Web of Trust is broken. Way worse than hashpower.

Filecoin’s snark based proof of storage works. It ensures that you cannot have a thousand sybils running on one machine, unless that machine has a thousand times the random access disk bandwidth and a thousand times the internet bandwidth. Modify it so that any peer with normal hard average disk and normal average internet connection can pass, and that it does not need a GPU. Then every ordinary computer on the blockchain can do some mining.

But this still has the problem that the government could buy a thousand time the bandwidth.

Any 100 Year Coin Is An OG Coin and Competition says:

[*held pending shill test*]

jim says:

Your comment contains numerous relevant and important problems with bitcoin that deserve discussion, and I have not discarded it, but the line “then its fabled bolt-on LN got beat up too” sounds like shill spam and shills shilling each other.

Discuss the problems with the lightning network, and while you are at it, commit some thought crime that a shill would not be allowed to commit.

Lightning is working great, despite very grave problems that only affect the whales that make the network work, that need fixing and can be fixed.
For normies, it is a whole lot easier and safer to transact in lightning using Bitpay, nostr, and arby, than it is to open a bank account and get a credit card. It is simply a whole lot easier and user friendly, particularly when compared with banking systems that are even worse than that of the US.

If you are strangely unable to respond to this praise of the lightning network with a counter argument, I will conclude your comment is scripted, and therefore discussion is impossible, and therefore not let it anything you post through.

A Few OGs says:

[*Deleted for inability to commit a thought crime, and inability to make any criticism of lightning, other than that unspecified someones have made unspecified criticisms somewhere.

If you knew what lightning was, you would be able to say something substantive about lightning. You are just spewing a script written by someone else that you do not understand.*]

jim says:

Your script contains valid points about bitcoin, though nothing about lightning. But pointless to attempt to discuss it with a shill, because a shill is not allowed to engage in meaningful discussion even if he understands his script, which you do not.

Plandemic The Movie says:

I’d read and or debate with OG whoever, but I can’t see his posts 🙁 How can I pull them up with this site? Is there a login or “show hidden posts” button or something? Hopefully one that doesn’t use javascript though. Thanks.

jim says:

No point in attempting to debate OG. It was just a robotic shill script with random phrases lifted from intelligent discussion of bitcoin, lifted by someone with no comprehension of what was being discussed, and if a human generated his comments, that human is not only not allowed to debate them, but did not himself comprehend them.

Sounded superficially like signal, but merely noise, because the state does not want discussion of how to build a better Bitcoin, or how to make Bitcoin better.

HoardingMonero says:

>Monero succeeded because they discouraged it by constantly replacing their algorithm with better versions through hard forks.

Just to clarify, Monero did hard-forks to change its mining algo to ASIC-resistant one every 6 months back in 2017, or something.

Since 2019 (or 2020?) Monero has finally switched to RandomX algo, which is a CPU-first mining algorithm that doesn’t allow specialized hardware (aka, ASIC), and since then, Monero has never hardforked again in order to change its mining algo.

RandomX has been running for more than 3 years now, and it is successful in not allowing specialized hardware being used in Monero’s mining network.

Starman says:

Biden accidentally blurts out, “we’re out of ammunition.”

https://gab.com/Philipp/posts/110678809865601490

Red says:

When armies run out of shells, advances soon turn into routs and then into total collapse as the Nationalist Chinese found out in Manchuria. Germany is refusing to send anything to the Ukrainians because they’re worried that Russia will just roll over them once they roll over Ukraine and Poland when the rout gets started.

Calvin says:

What’s the point of that? Is there a single modern German man who would fight for the continued existence of the ruling regime?

ten says:

No, but they’ll fight for their kin and country, which the regime will put between themselves and the enemy.

Calvin says:

I seriously doubt Putin actually means to drive that far in any possible world, but if he did all he would need to do to be greeted as a liberator by whatever masculine German men still exist is refrain from 1945 Soviet level atrocities.

Karl says:

Nah, no need for complete restraint. Quite the opposite, some 1945 Soviet level attrocities would be needed in order to qualify him as a liberator, but of course the attrocities would have to be restricted to deserving demographic groups.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Germany, like every country in the occident, up too and including America itself, is an occupied country. And the German man is regularly told by the occupying forces that ‘actually, Germany does not really even exist you bigot’.

So indeed, the German man as he stands really is not very interested in fighting; after all, how can you fight for something that “doesn’t exist”?

It is likely that there would be attempts to conjure up some unholy form of nationalism with globohomo characteristics, but this is unlikely to go anywhere for various reasons – has not been going anywhere, in all their not inconsiderable efforts heretofore to stir up WW3.

Mayflower Sperg says:

An “unholy form of nationalism with globohomo characteristics” was hugely successful in Ukraine. Fascism is extremely powerful even when it’s fake and gay. If Russia were as weak today as it was in, say, 2010, and if the West hadn’t ruined its manufacturing base with affirmative action, the Azovites would have absolutely routed the Russians.

The Cominator says:

Seems only to fool butthurt belters…

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

>An “unholy form of nationalism with globohomo characteristics” was hugely successful in Ukraine.

That was the unspoken parenthetical.

“It is likely that there would be attempts to conjure up some unholy form of nationalism with globohomo characteristics (like in Ukraine)”, but, “this is unlikely to go anywhere for various reasons”, some of which have already been mentioned, others which tie into your rhetorical question posted elsewhere.

Organized bodies using leftist organizing principles cannot reverse its flow, only switch tracks to side rails with similar cardinality.

Feminism in 1933 could be put on hold by purging for insufficient enthusiasm for socialism, socialism in 1939 could be put on hold by purging for insufficient enthusiasm for fratricide, human sacrifice in 2022 could be put on hold by purging for insufficient enthusiasm for spreading feminism and anal sex (via fratricide).

With each pivot though, the ideological daylight left doesn’t get any wider, and in later days, has drawn remarkably short.

Perhaps it has gone out of sight and thus out of mind, but it pays to remember; at the time, it can be hard to overstate just how close the whole apparatus was close to coming unglued during the plannedemic. The nomenklatura found themselves in the awkward position where progressive use of the very tool they relied on most to obviate challengers to their dominion – the layers of theocratia over people’s lines of communication, places of organization, and sources of information – was itself also causing the undermining of that very same tool.

The worst thing possible for a body’s authority is to give an order that won’t be obeyed; the magic spell is cracked at that very moment. Continued escalation of the coronahoax in the face of a recalcitrant reality was causing their destruction; but the attempt to reverse course on escalating coronahoax would also cause their destruction. They were trapped with no way out.

A leftist body cannot reverse course, because this undermines the nature of a leftist organizing principle tout court; it can only pivot. But pivot to what? The scale of the coronatarian faith was on a level unprecedented by anything else theretofore, nothing else was big enough to match it…

Enter Ukraine.

Part of the reason, and perhaps a very big part of the reason, that the harvardian mandarins grabbed onto Putlermania with both hands so readily is because they saw this as their escape hatch. Even if things would go wrong in the future, that future is not *now*. The fact that the broad mass of the modern nomenklatura are – by natural consequence of the system set into place by those before them who instantiated it – feckless manchildren and women with no historical perspective high on their own supply, also helped lube the wheels rolling in this direction. This is why there was basically zero (0) pushback from those more conscious minds riding the tiger in the bowels of the theocracy on escalatory warhawking, even though there was basically no capacity for prosecuting a large scale conflict of such kind anymore.

The open ground of unprincipled exceptions has been shrinking clod by clod with every step the presently incumbent whig order has made, in their path to gaining power, and their path to keeping it thereafter. Feminism and managerialism are already ‘baked into the cake’ at this point. Such things metastasize when they swallow each other. ‘Intersectionality’. There is no reversing course on them anymore, not without the whig imperium altogether dissolving its own glue. And it is this that is why the Germans – and the rest of the vassal states in the occident – can’t fight.

Karl says:

> even though there was basically no capacity for prosecuting a large scale conflict of such kind anymore

Do you think those who decided about the pivot were aware of the lack of capacity? My impression is that this lack was a surprise for the modern nomenklatura.

jim says:

The logic of ever greater holiness ends in nukes.

But the current plan is low level forever war, like all of the others, except with a peer power. The current state of high level war is seen as anomalous deviation, which will naturally and inherently correct itself. Indeed, to doubt it will spontaneously correct itself is a thought crime. So far.

But neither Ukraine nor the west can sustain forever war at this level. The west is running out of weapons, the Ukraine out of men. So, the current superior holiness is, like worship of the Mighty and Awesome Covid Demon, on direct collision course with reality. What is next?

As a general rule, when holiness meets external defeat, it wages war on its own people. Perhaps in the name of the Gaia demon. But is hard to predict what leftism will do next. If I could predict it, they could predict it. If they could predict it, would already be doing it. It is like women’s fashions.

The current plan is to induct the Ukraine into Nato during a ceasefire – which is to say, “of course there will be a ceasefire, and then we can escalate some more” But escalating to actually win, rather than to continue with steady pressure of forever war until Russia crumbles and is absorbed into globohomo, is not only not the supreme holiness, it is lack of faith. Supposedly the war will naturally wind down, and then they can be holier by winding it up. This may change abruptly, possibly with a Nato invasion of Belarus. To doubt the feasibility of low level forever war is impiety, but low level forever war is unlikely to be feasible, so an alternative war related piety may ensue.

However, some leftists are trying a re-roll on the Gaia demon.

To get serious about defeating Russia, have to roll back gay, transsexuality, gaia worship, diversity, and female emancipation. Which is not altogether unthinkable, and would be great, except for the nukes part.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

> Do you think those who decided about the pivot were aware of the lack of capacity? My impression is that this lack was a surprise for the modern nomenklatura.

Many, if not most, lacked awareness; and those that did have some awareness, lacked future orientation anyways.

> > Even if things would go wrong in the future, that future is not *now*.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

>the current superior holiness is, like worship of the Mighty and Awesome Covid Demon, on direct collision course with reality. What is next?

Were I in their position, the next big thing would be to just… quietly forget about it. Most people are normies, and most normies are goldfish, and Putlermania, unlike Branch Covidianism, has the advantage of its holy objects being some place far away that noone ‘here’ actually cares about anyways. Simply downregulate the incidence of reportage about Ruthenia; you don’t even need to change the tenor exactly – it just simply, stops appearing on people’s social media feeds. Out of sight, out of mind. Plenty of other psychodramas to keep goldfish occupied, negrolatry, gaia worship, the demiurge-given right of gays to get access to boy-asses of other people’s children. It might even work.

Can it work? Are the principles involved even psychologically capable of making that kind of decision to make it work? These are other questions. It wouldn’t be the first time such things have happened. The attentions of the Whig Empire are fickle, and its convictions superficial. There is no shortage of parties that have ended up left hung out to dry by it over history. Is the theocratic assabiyah for such disciplined gleichschautung in place to make such a move work? If this were any point between ten and seventy years ago, I would say yes. Now? Coronatarianism showed they are certainly capable still of *calling up* a new demon. Putting one back down, with no muss or fuss? This is an other question.

>As a general rule, when holiness meets external defeat, it wages war on its own people.

Indeed. Something that also occasionally happens though, is some Other party takes advantage of the incumbent sovereign’s temporary embarrassment over their loss of Heaven’s Mandate, before they have had time to make a new normal (https://spandrell.com/2018/07/11/black-swans-of-common-knowledge/). Likely? Dynamic Men of History have seemed vanishingly rare in the later days of this Kali Yuga, stuffed as it is with worn down Last Men, insulated by hyperreality, plugged into the matrix via smartphone in hand at every waking moment, no more concerned by the dream that is Reality and its consequences than they are about a flamewar in their timeline over wrongthink. Just one more theatrical set of symbolic objects as any other.

But even still, it is Opportunity all the same; and they have been knocking with ever more frequency as the days turn.

jim says:

At the Vilnius meeting, Zelensky told them that the enemy gets a say in whether a war is high level or low level, and they gave him a public shaming to remind him that this was an unmentionable and unthinkable thought crime. He, being leftist, responded to this punishment with maximum grovel.

Thus banishing the fact to official unreality. From which it will never emerge. As far as they are concerned, that problem is solved permanently and completely.

jim says:

> Were I in their position, the next big thing would be to just… quietly forget about it.

And double down on feeding small children to gays, illegal immigration, and sacrificing the modern economy to the Gaia demon.

A rational tactic, and in their interest, but they are not very good at rational tactics and pursuing their self interest. In the past, each swerve has led to a new direction for the eschaton. Will this one be different?

For the moment, the likely course is that now that the problem of high level attritive war is solved, having been banished to official unreality, they will stay the present course to the last Ukrainian.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Which makes it interesting to see what will happen as the conflict stubbornly refuses to draw down into a ‘low intensity’ brushfire.

Only Putin tripping at the finish line can stop it now. (An all too unsettling possibility.)

Red says:

Only Putin tripping at the finish line can stop it now. (An all too unsettling possibility.)

Snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, it’s going to be out of some insane idea of returning the west to 1990s liberalism, which is where Putin seems to be stuck at.

Red says:

Corrected version of the above comment:

Only Putin tripping at the finish line can stop it now. (An all too unsettling possibility.)

If Putin snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, it’s going to be out of some insane idea of returning the west to 1990s liberalism, which is where Putin seems to be stuck at.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Self-censorship, a.k.a. holding your tongue, requires mental effort. As senility sets in, old people often lose this ability and just blurt out whatever comes to mind. This can be charming when it’s not exposing your embarrassing secrets. Whose idea was it to tell Biden about the ammo situation? It’s not like he’s making the decisions, so why include him in the conversation?

Red says:

They’ve oddly kept Biden in the loop at all times. He confessed about about most extensive vote fraud machine ever during the 2016. May guess his wife is pulling a lot of strings and for her to informed then Biden needs to be informed.

Cataclysm Reawake says:

*2020. you mean? Or am I missing something?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGRnhBmHYN0

Anonymous Fake says:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g74FsNARDuo

Driving through Portland (or other blue cities) really puts things into perspective. It’s objectively one of the best planned and beautiful cities I have ever seen, but it’s a ghost town (even the roads have less traffic than most “low density” subdivisions) with homeless in the streets and a lot of those awesome buildings look empty…
[*therefore we obviously need far more of the policies that have forced the white population to flee Portland*]

jim says:

As well as taking a virtual drive through Portland, take a virtual drive though government housing projects and rent controlled areas.

Then go watch some Detroit ruin porn. Anyone who advocates your economic program loves white people the way hail-follow-peasant Trotsky loved the peasants, which is to say, hates them and wants to kill them.

Capitalism built those cities, universal suffrage and socialism stole them and redistributed them to the masses, with the results we now see.

A2 says:

I found Portland quite nice the one time I visited it (in the 90s), but it seems to be extremely mismanaged by ludicrously extreme left morons and filled with antifa, homeless, insane people, etc. Not just blacks, thus, but still people you don’t want to be around; just look at some BLM videos from 2020. In an interim state it was apparently full of strippers and similar low-lives but has now declines further.

In summary, I wouldn’t move there (even if there may still be nice parts) because the inmates are running the asylum. As it happens, I recently dissuaded a naive European friend who was talking about getting out of California and settling in Portland instead.

jim says:

> there may still be nice parts

I recently visited the formerly nice parts of San Francisco. They are about to go under, and the shops are fewer and a lot quieter than they were two decades ago. Also a bit worse for wear, and security measures are giving them a threatening hostile prison commissary like atmosphere and appearance. As in a prison commissary, nice stuff is not on display, and the surroundings are ugly, hostile, threatening, and unwelcoming.

The population in San Francisco that actually produces value is collapsing, and the economy is slowly turning into a purely parasitic blue state megalopolis economy that creates fake and gay GDP by moving quasi governmental bits of paper around. I see Detroit on the horizon, once the fake and gay GDP economy collapses, which may not be for quite a while.

Anonymous Fake says:

A Jew once explained why they all vote Democrat. They don’t want public housing in their nice neighborhoods. If they vote for Republicans who promise to make the public housing go away, they’re just lying. They can’t make the public housing go away, or end affirmative action, or abolish the department of education, or even just PBS and NPR, or really do much of anything. But if Jews vote Democrat and gain influence there, they can make sure the public housing gets located SOMEWHERE ELSE. And this works.

So there is a fake choice (the Republicans), but there are in fact 2 real choices, not one. Public housing for the underclass is one of them, making the underclass move somewhere else (DC to Baltimore is a famous pipeline), but the other choice is public housing for all people, [*much repeated shill script repeated*]

jim says:

> but the other choice is public housing for all people,

Britain before Thatcher had public housing for all people. It still does in a sense. It was the usual catastrophe that public housing has been everywhere in the world, every time, every where. Even where, as in Brazilia, they attempted to provide public housing not for the masses but for the governmental and quasi governmental elite. Even there, still a disaster, though the likelihood of being mugged by the latest visitor making his rounds of all the single mums to bang them, beat their kids, and collect their AFDC money was considerably less. Singaporean government sponsored housing projects work because the developer has to sell the condos to private individuals who buy them with their own money. And if they decline to buy them, the developer loses his shirt, even though the project is government sponsored and regulated. Singaporean governmental housing projects are a whole lot less governmental than me attempting to build a private home on private land in America.

Anonymous Fake says:

[*hilarious detachment from observed reality deleted*] Brazil has an awesome capital city. Brasilia[*hilarious detachment from observed reality deleted*] Public housing for normal people who want to work for the government [*hilarious detachment from observed reality deleted*]

jim says:

No one wants to live in Brasilia, at least not in the public housing for people who work for the government.

Pax Imperialis says:

For all the problems the Indian reservation system had, it accomplished it’s aim to separate out feral Indians from the civilized population. To that end, government housing projects can be good and effective. Having cities like Portland might not be so bad as they act as a drainage system for the decivilized, but to do such a thing in a location of prime real estate and destroy the living conditions of civilized people already living there is insane and evil.

Plenty of empty land to move these people to. Had LBJ’s great society housing project relocated all those Blacks to some uninhabited location in Alaska, he would be much better remembered.

Hesiod says:

Found this clip of AF being interviewed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooOELrGMn14

Pretty sharp dresser, AF, but you never really gave any straight answers.

Confused says:

As a White man, do I have any responsibilty to any non-White women that I impregnate, and or to any offspring that come from my act therein? I have options, even maybe contractual ones, but am not sure of the correct role to set up beforehand. And does my, if any, or the woman’s, if any, religion come into play? Or is it better to just knock up some White trailer trash and call that Fam. Or something. Thanks, Confused.

jim says:

Blood trumps race.

But, impossible to look after your children by whores, so the capability to be more alpha than any other man she has banged trumps blood.

Price Calling says:

An enormous move?
Ok well, let’s be rational and conservatife. Where is the price going to hit in this runup and why?

The only prediction here is that after some runup, BTC will then become relatively to zero within 10 years due to competition by a superior coin[s].
I see anon DEX’s enabling smooth taxfree transition to this / these higher tx-rate privacy coins. Today’s BTC Maxi’s will serve as fool buyers of last resort to those transitioning into the future.

jim says:

Right now the choice is the dollar or bitcoin. And the dollar is in mounting crisis right now, while bitcoin’s scalable and private competitor is just a gleam in the eye of developers.

Skippy says:

What do you think about Cardano today?

jim says:

I was very badly mistaken. Whether it was intended from the beginning as another scamcoin, it has become another scamcoin.

It was intended to be a better ether, but wound up emulating what was bad about ether, and anything that was arguably an improvement, Ether did also. No room for two ethers.

Carte Blanche says:

This is the same guy as The Privacy Move Up, BillieBam, and Hardly OG, spamming sock puppets. Or are we to believe that all of these individuals, all with the same verbal tics and manic writing style, suddenly became interested in the blog and just happen to all believe that Bitcoin’s going to be overtaken by some unspecified but clearly superior privacy coin?

He may have had some valid points, but he’s just repeating them ad nauseum and obviously in the service of some ulterior motive.

The Cominator says:

What about the BRICs gold backed currency to be announced soon and like to be rolled out within at most the next 6 months?

jim says:

The are now muttering about a gold based replacement for international transactions, but in an increasingly violent and untrustworthy world, this is unlikely to work. Turkey just broke a crucial deal with Russia. You think Russia will trust India, or India Russia, to deliver gold? You think gold can be delivered at all without someone snatching it en-route and justifying the snatch on the basis of sanctions? Plus it does not solve the problem of a multinational bureaucracy attempting the regulate the stuffing out of it, which is what has strangled in the cradle their attempts to create a new international fiat currency.

Put twenty bureaucrats in a room, and each will seize the power to say “no” for himself and his bureaucracy. Thus to pay for something you have to satisfy twenty sets of complicated and mutually contradictory rules.

Put three bankers in the room with them, and each will kindly help the bureaucrats by acquiring the power to seize money in transit that he judges do not meet their twenty different requirements, expressed in three different languages.

Carte Blanche says:

I have a suspicion that what they attempt to roll out, whether or not it succeeds in the short term, is not going involve the literal transfer of gold. It would be some “gold-backed” currency or note, relying on information symmetry re: where the gold is currently being held, how well it’s guarded, etc. Same as US currency before FDR came on the scene. The IOUs change hands, but the gold never moves.

But as we know, FDR only shot a lame horse. The US gold standard could not survive indefinitely because without the actual movement of precious metals, the temptation to devalue the IOUs is simply too strong to resist. And this was during a time when most every citizen trusted their government to actually have and secure the gold.

I don’t think BRICS is going to reach that level of trust. Metal that doesn’t move is metal that may as well not exist, and eventually won’t exist.

Pax Imperialis says:

Hypothetically if trust and transport were non issues, is there even enough gold in the world for it to be practical to use?

Jehu says:

If gold were remonitized, its price would necessarily skyrocket. This I believe is the real reason central banks hold tons of it, insurance against the failure of their regime.

jim says:

In a dangerous, untrusting, and untrustworthy world, gold over distance just does not work. The Knights Templar all got tortured to death.

Carte Blanche says:

Supply generally isn’t much of an issue; if anything, scarcity is better than abundance. You just subdivide the available supply as needed and let the market apportion value through the price of consumer goods. If Bitcoin became fully monetized then the majority of transactions would be in sats – same principle.

So, technically Jehu is correct, monetization of gold would spike its value considerably due to the limited supply, although there is always an equilibrium point somewhere. However, this only works when gold is the money itself, not when it is used as an abstract unit of measurement for floating fiat currencies. If metallic money suffers from trust and security issues, metal-backed fiat will be much worse.

Gold is easy to understand, thus I can sympathize with the goldbug’s point of view, even though they’re grievously wrong. Unlike Jim, I’m not 100% certain that cryptocurrency is THE answer… but it is at least AN answer. For the moment, BRICS either do not understand the question or are trying to avert their eyes from it.

Pax Imperialis says:

>scarcity is better than abundance

You need scarcity plus liquidity. BTC is both. mBTC and smaller is easy to trade. Anything under one gram of gold quickly becomes impractical. It gets far worse if the value of gold skyrockets. This then necessitates secondary currency which lands you right back to the issue of fiat if using paper. If using a gold backed BTC like cryptocurrency… what was the purpose of gold again?

I just don’t see gold making a return.

jim says:

> The IOUs change hands, but the gold never moves.

The longer the gold goes without moving, the more trust is needed. There is no trust.

Jehu says:

Transport between Russia and China I think would be pretty easy, they’re connected reasonably well. Transport between India and Russia is more tenuous, as it requires going through the Stans or through China, which makes it a 3 body trust problem.

Mayflower Sperg says:

The gold standard is like the republican form of government: It works great if you have an intelligent and virtuous elite; otherwise it’s a dead letter.

It’s not just a problem of trust between states but people as well. Putting your gold in a bank makes it harder for burglars to steal but easier for the government to steal, as FDR did. Corporations cannot hide their gold in the sock drawer because shareholders and key employees need to know where the money is and how much.

The problem with crypto is, to whom shall we entrust the corporate wallet.dat file? Jim thinks we can solve this problem by putting the whole corporation on the blockchain, but then every possible contingency has to be hard-coded in advance.

Mister Grumpus says:

They “could” set up gold repositories of a standard design, and establish a constant circulation of auditors, each country sending guys to check the other countries’ arithmetic.

But what does “could” mean in that sentence, exactly?

Anyone with the power to say “no” or “not yet” to this, in any of the BRICS countries, is fat dumb and happy enough as it is right now. No need to change anything.

Watching this play out is an amazing learning experience.

Carte Blanche says:

There is no trust.

Of course there isn’t. But they are going to attempt it anyway, because they want “de-dollarization” – that is, they want independence from the capricious and rapacious imperial government – but they would still very much like to keep for themselves the ability to generate money from nothing. They are not ready to accept hard currency into their lives.

I’d go so far as to say that not only is there no trust, the defection has already happened. Or at least is top of mind. Superficially, they’re agreeing over a common standard to float their currencies against; in reality, whoever devalues their currency earliest and fastest and with the most plausible deniability gains a huge advantage, and the Chinese in particular are notorious for that.

The system will probably launch, and someone, possibly multiple parties, are going to get played for chumps, but it may putter along for several years before we learn who had the aces up their sleeves and what they wagered.

jim says:

> The system will probably launch

They already have attempted it. It is not flying, so they are muttering about attempting something else. And while they dither around, the Russian economy is being bitcoinized.

The Cominator says:

Normally true, I think you underestimate the level of anger the fake and gay Biden administration has created… Erdogan has never been trustworthy (I think he thinks that as a Muslim he doesn’t have to keep his word to non Muslims) but if they join the BRICs they’d be a minor player.

jim says:

You are suggesting that bureaucrats will get off their asses and stop being bureaucrats.

Not until all sovereigns party to the deal to create a replacement for the dollar start sending a few for long distance swimming lessons in the ocean.

The Cominator says:

I think Putin especially but the head of states in some of the other countries will feel motivated to keep the pressure on the bureaucrats in question to do more than circulate paper.

alf says:

If Putin wanted pressure on bureaucrats, should’ve gotten rid of Shoigu, not Prigozhin.

The Cominator says:

It may be a case where rebels demanding the head of a minister saved the minister lest the sovereign appear weak. I suspect Shoigu is on thin ice now.

Red says:

I think Putin especially but the head of states in some of the other countries will feel motivated to keep the pressure on the bureaucrats in question to do more than circulate paper.

If Putin was a strong leader he would have put Prigozhin in charge of the war and tossed Shoigu for corruption before the mutiny. The Mutiny happened because Wagner was being broken up and disbanded as reward for their hard fought victories, a typical behavior of weak leadership that feared successful men more than losing a war.

Putin is currently the best bet to get a actual strong Christian civilization going again, but he’s fucking weak sauce.

Gedeon says:

[*deleted for gross detachment from reality*]

Islam Is Anti-Non-Muslim says:

> I think [Erdogan] thinks that as a Muslim he doesn’t have to keep his word to non Muslims

Muslims are permitted to outright lie to all non-Muslims. These various forms and purposes of lying are all described in the Islamic texts and are fully sanctioned by the highest Sheikhs, Muhammad, and Allah.
Islam is discriminatory and murderous, stay away, and use the internet to defeat its ridiculous copy-paste books, fakeass prophet, and moon-god.

The Cominator says:

We know all of this. But globohomo much like Hitler declared war on Islam at the same time they were at war with Christians and Buddhists and straight men everywhere.

Mister Grumpus says:

Dare I guess that this announcement about a new gold-backed trade currency is the BRICS bankers and bureaucrats trying to FUD bitcoin?

Vaporware to buy some time? Negotiating to preserve some fraction of their own power?

My assumption was always that the gold would stay in place, but that inspectors and auditors would circulate constantly. It “could work” too, but maybe these people are just too shitty to let even that much transparency dilute their rackets.

jim says:

> Dare I guess that this announcement about a new gold-backed trade currency is the BRICS bankers and bureaucrats trying to FUD bitcoin?

No, they are busy making it happen, but I think it unlikely it will happen.

Mister Grumpus says:

It’s been two months since you published this and it’s looking like you were right that the “gold backed BRICS trade currency” isn’t happening in real life.

“Not right now.”
“We’ll get to that.”
“That’s coming in the future.”
“We’re talking about it.”

Adding Argentina, Egypt and Ethiopia to the mix, I can’t see how on earth this can work out now short of Xi just holding a gun to everyone’s head, but if he’d do that, then why not force them into some weird Chinese fiat scheme instead? Better for him.

So yeah you got me. My bet now is that if there’s going to be a BRICS trade currency, it’ll be bitcoin.

jim says:

How high will it go, you ask?

Well the market cap is six hundred billion, but if it substantially replaces the US dollar, ten trillion or so go into it. Does this mean a tenfold rise in value? Not necessarily, because most bitcoin is not for sale at any price. So a hundred fold increase in value is possible though perhaps a tenfold increase or so is more plausible.

Past runups are not a guide to this runup, because this time around, critical mass is possible and likely.

The Global American Empire is falling. The faith of Woke is hollowing out. “Rational and conservative” means “expect continued normality”. Which always means underestimating the likelihood of black swan events. We have entered the new abnormal.

Dr. Faust says:

The near focus should be on small and medium pension funds diversifying into BTC ETFs as a hedge. Fink recently iterated the idea that BTC is digital gold. The average allocation of funds into gold sits about 5% or less. If 1% ends up in BTC directly or indirectly it would add 400 billion in market cap roughly. At current price it would hit a market cap of 1 trillion usd. With about 18 million BTC for sale that’s roughly 56k BTC.

However, I think it will be higher than that due to the halving. The last three halvings saw huge price jumps shortly after and demand seems to be increasing with supply declining. It’s nearly impossible to predict the effect of the halving on price but common sense would say that increase demand and decrease supply could have a large impact.

If BTC finds greater adoption and a small allocation among fund groups either through the ETFs or through direct exposure and the GAE doesn’t disrupt the US exchanges permanently then the most conservative estimate I would give would be 60k low end and 240k on the high end.

The GAE can’t stop bitcoin but they can slow it down a lot and banning or crippling the US exchanges and blocking pension funds from gaining access would likely cause a large pull back.

jim says:

> The average allocation of funds into gold sits about 5% or less. If 1% ends up in BTC directly or indirectly it would add 400 billion in market cap roughly. At current price it would hit a market cap of 1 trillion usd. With about 18 million BTC for sale that’s roughly 56k BTC.

Since most bitcoin is not for sale at any price, four hundred billion of new money into Bitcoin would raise the market cap by considerably more than one trillion.

The biggie is de-dollarization, which should result in about a trillion new money into bitcoin

The market cap of gold is about ten trillion. Since bitcoin is more useful than gold (right now today I can spend it more easily than gold, because it moves around the world at good fraction of the speed of light) its market cap should rise to well above ten trillion once it replaces the dollar for international transactions. Lets say twenty trillion. That is a thirty fold increase in the bitcoin price.

De dollarization is stalled because efforts to create a fiat replacement for the US$ keep getting mired in bureaucracy and regulation. The sovereigns agree on a new international currency, and tell their bureaucrats and bankers to take care of the details. The bureaucrats proceed to do what bureaucrats do. So people are spontaneously moving to international transactions in bitcoin. Which is illegal in Russia, but the Russian ministry of finance threw up its hands and said that since everyone is breaking that law, no point in making a fuss, because if they make a fuss, they are just enforcing American sanctions. They are muttering about creating a new more practical law, which will likely attempt to ban Russians from buying stuff from Russians with bitcoin. But, with lightning wallet and nostr, most transactions are going to be international. The law will probably be effective for physical goods moving inside Russia.

notglowing says:

Do you know why it looks like you’re samefagging despite using a different nickname in every one of your six million posts under this article?

Your spelling errors, mediocre grammar and punctuation stand out in this comment section.

Plus, you make the same point every time: Bitcoin is outdated, buy a new shitcoin. Are you going to shill your shitcoin or not?

tunabuckets says:

[*deleted for ignorance. idiocy, and absurd detachment from reality*]

jim says:

I, and other people, have a plan for a scalable and private currency. However, I also have a plan for a graceful, slow, and non disruptive conversion of bitcoin into a scalable and private currency: Recursive snarks allow sharding. Add the capability to support recursive snark shards to Bitcoin, while the mainchain remains as it is. Over time, due to transaction fees and speed, everyone slowly moves to the private and scalable shards.

Ghost says:

Three years have passed. Same group of spergs whining about the same problems. Not enough control, not enough money, not enough pussy. Unable to figure why.

I could check in every three years and see the same shit on rewind.

I’d tell you what your problem is but you wouldn’t comprehend it. And I’d much prefer to see you squirm.

alf says:

Look at you, a comment of yours made it past moderation. You must be proud.

I’ll never get why you shills are so terrible with math. Well actually I do. One lie turns into ten lies turns into a hundred lies. Ban me, I don’t care, I won’t return for another ten years! posts the shill every other day.

Handi says:

You aren’t gloating, you’re seething. When I feel the kind of schadenfreude toward other people that you claim to feel toward the readership of this blog, it’s much sweeter to keep my mouth shut than to draw aggro from ignoramuses.

Why solicit envy that you know you’re never going to get, from people you supposedly don’t respect? You can’t earn the status you crave the normal way so you’re angling to get a facsimile by deception.

Skippy says:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TK9c-caEcw&t=1m23s

“You see, there are poor peasants and rich peasants, and we stirred up the poor peasants against the rich peasants, and they soon hanged them to the nearest tree – ahaha!”

– V. I. Lenin

i says:

What’s everyone’s thoughts on the movie: “Sound of Freedom”?

This Orthodox person made a video on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVQPTqqiMkI&ab_channel=ChurchoftheEternalLogos

jim says:

That the legacy media refuse all mention of it tells you much.

That it is allowed on mainstream platforms nonetheless tell you much more.

It is not a whitewash, but it is a graywash.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Actually doing something about sex trafficking would involve locking up large numbers of black and Hispanic people, so it’s not going to happen.

I read that in Tijuana, within walking distance of the border, there are brothels where you can fuck a 13-year-old girl for twenty dollars. I don’t know the address, but if you speak even basic Spanish, just go there and ask. Underage sex is not a big deal in Latin America, unless you try to snatch a child off the street, in which case a pit bull eats your genitals.

I expect the same north of the border after the EBT cards stop working.

James says:

[*an incel gives advice on the woman problem*]

Skippy says:

I’ve got no idea if what you are saying is true and it wouldn’t interest me if it were; the ease of paying women for sex does however make me wonder why Epstein was so popular with “powerful” men?

The main reason not to pay women for sex is that it’s never the same. But if you want to do that, hardly need to be a millionaire let alone billionaire.

Red says:

Epstein wasn’t supplying under age girls, rather he running a blackmail operation backed by the FBI and the Clinton’s where he pair up very pretty but underage girls who looked like they were in their 20s to blackmail very rich men by recording them having sex with them on his island. I’ve see a few pics of the “victims” of Epstein, they all looked like 19-25 to me, certainly not the sort of flat chested victims typical of pederasts.

Rich and powerful men often have woman tossed them for influence reasons by various groups, that appeared to be what Epstein was about to the men who were snared by him. Typically with a blackmailer you’d either have him killed or turn him into the police, but Epstein was backed by the police allowing him to rob the rich men while the FBI and the Clinton’s used that blackmail for political purposes.

Contaminated NEET says:

>he running a blackmail operation backed by the FBI and the Clinton’s

Nah. It was a blackmail operation for sure, but Epstein was working for Israel. Ghislaine’s dad was some kind of Israeli super-spy, and Ehud Barak was meeting with Epstein all the time. The Clintons weren’t running the show, they were getting blackmailed.

Mayflower Sperg says:

If you see a shady operator and wonder who he’s working for, there’s a good chance that he doesn’t know who he’s working for. Conspiracies can be extremely opaque, even to the conspirators themselves.

Not knowing who was actually running the show, Epstein crossed the wrong people and got whacked. Or maybe he just outlived his usefulness.

A2 says:

Funded by Leslie Wexner, owner of Victoria’s Secret. Epstein’s nice NY townhouse was apparently a gift from Wexner, for instance.

After Epstein got whacked, VS quickly switched from their models parading around to a collection of freaks (trannies, fatties, etc). For some reason. Haven’t checked what they have been up to lately.

Extra exploitative: https://archive.ph/MWGW7

Anonymous Fake says:

Blackmail isn’t real. [*deleted*]

jim says:

I seem to recall quite a few Roman Catholic priests being ratted out and suffering consequences, even though it is completely obvious that what they were ratted for is absolutely routine and extremely common.

Contaminated NEET says:

You’re not real.

Red says:

I read that in Tijuana, within walking distance of the border, there are brothels where you can fuck a 13-year-old girl for twenty dollars. I don’t know the address, but if you speak even basic Spanish, just go there and ask. Underage sex is not a big deal in Latin America, unless you try to snatch a child off the street, in which case a pit bull eats your genitals.

Young boys are sold everyday on gay hookup sites in the US. Cops ignore it unless they bust someone with a bunch of child porn from one of the kids at which point they go after the faggots directly involved in the porn production but ignore the larger scene of the pimping.

Mayflower Sperg says:

A year ago, dogs and children of gay couples were getting monkeypox around their anuses, and no one asked why.

Javier says:

long story short, I had a roommate who had a large collection of child porn. when he told me I played dumb, notified authorities, and discreetly made plans to move out. during the period he thought I was “cool” with it, he bragged that the vast majority of his collection was celebrities.

essentially, if you ever wonder why some non talent like Zendaya or Megan Fox with a thousand cock stare gets put into film after film, the casting couch starts much sooner than you think it does.

stuff like sound of freedom is meant to shift attention to foreign countries. “look at the evil pedos far away, please ignore the locals.” the movie was a major studio picture at one point, so they must have thought it was a good idea at some point.

the kicker to my story is the cops did contact me about the cp, but because I didnt actually look at any of it they refused to do anything, even though the guy bragged about it constantly and it’s not something you lie about.

Red says:

essentially, if you ever wonder why some non talent like Zendaya or Megan Fox with a thousand cock stare gets put into film after film, the casting couch starts much sooner than you think it does.

Oh please, actresses are and always have been whores. The 11 year old girl Roman Polanski sodomized was already having sex with other men before him.

The nasty secret with Hollywood is the men all get fucked in the ass to get roles too. The Lavender Mafia controls Hollywood and very few leading men are still straight when they make it in Hollywood.

stuff like sound of freedom is meant to shift attention to foreign countries. “look at the evil pedos far away, please ignore the locals.” the movie was a major studio picture at one point, so they must have thought it was a good idea at some point..

As Jim said, a graywash. Reporting what actually goes on with young boys being sold to faggots in the US isn’t allowed so they tell stories about Mexicans.

Javier says:

a teenage runaway sells herself, an 11 year old is likely kidnapped or more likely, sold by her parents. that’s the part most people don’t realize. and yeah, especially with boys.

jim says:

> an 11 year old is likely kidnapped

Nuts.

Take the shill test.

Pax Imperialis says:

I thought much of the trafficking of prepubescent kids is via CPS effectively doing the kidnapping and other state backed childcare groups doing the trafficking?

Or was Javier talking solely about Hollywood’s 11 year olds? Admittedly, I know little about the movie industry other than it hasn’t produced anything interesting in a long time, and to keep friends and family far away.

jim says:

Most of the trafficking in boys is CPS, but there is no shortage of eleven year old girls trafficking themselves.

Javier says:

my point was that your daughter may run off and fuck a bunch of dudes at a young age without your knowledge, but your daughter cannot run off and star in a major motion picture with an active amber alert out for her. that requires active consent and cooperation of parents.

when you look at all the child stars getting put through the Hollywood meat grinder, none of them are orphans or runaways. parents are usually their managers. so either parents are too dumb to realize they are prostituting their kids, or they are actively prostituting their children for profit. the fact that the girls enjoy being whored out is besides the point, because no amount of money would ever convince me to hand over my kid to Harvey Weinstein. if she ran away, I’d do something about it, one way or another.

I would never put my kid in the mickey mouse club, or allow her to embark on a singing career, or get anywhere near such an evil place. all that stuff requires parents to allow, unless you are arguing that parents are weak puppets of 11 year old girls. You can convince me that 11 year olds try to wander off in the hopes of being raped by strange men, but you will have a hard time convincing me an 11 year old is savvy enough to trade her vag up the chain for a successful singing and acting career. Kids don’t have that kind of forethought, especially instinct driven girls.

jim says:

> so either parents are too dumb to realize they are prostituting their kids, or they are actively prostituting their children for profit

You evade the third (thought crime) option. That parents want their daughters to be famous, and are too dumb to realize that their daughters are prostituting themselves.

I asked you to commit a thoughtcrime. You have been strangely unable to do so.

Javier says:

I feel like we are splitting the tiniest of hairs here. I think my statement “parents are too dumb to realize they are prostituting their kids” encompasses your statement. The difference seems to be where the blame is assigned. My position is that children are not responsible for their behavior. Parents are. If your kid breaks my window, the kid doesn’t pay me back, you do, then you punish the kid.
[*rest deleted for failure commit any thought crimes, even though it was a well argued and reasonable comment that deserved response, and did not carry any obvious shill payload*]

jim says:

The question is not who is morally responsible. The question is what are females apt to do given half a chance. And you are not engaging or acknowledging my position that some nine year girls, quite a lot of nine year old girls, need to be chained to the water heater to prevent them from wandering off to bang a forty year old bikie meth dealer.

The difference between my position and yours is that extremely young girls are apt to vigorously pursue sex, long before they have the necessary assets to pursue it successfully. That controlling daughters is hard, and often starts being hard at an absurdly young age. You are not engaging that position, but rather casting me as having the position that moral responsibility lies with the female.

Females are incapable of moral responsibility, and therefore need to be controlled. Weaker vessel. Want to be controlled, even though they resist it fiercely. They are apt to be unaware of their own conduct. And controlling daughters is difficult, and sometimes begins to be very difficult when they are very young.

For marriage to work, men need to marry virgins. Virgins are in very short supply. And will remain in very short supply if we have a social order that fails to acknowledge that girls get horny and are apt to do something about it. You are failing to acknowledge that girls get horny.

A man wants freedom, because without it he is unlikely to reproduce. He will fight for freedom. Women do not want freedom, for a free women will not reproduce successfully.. They are just running $#!% tests to detect a weak man and a weak tribe. Women are unhappy and getting more unhappy because they have detected weak men and a weak tribe.

The difference between my position and yours is whether nine year old girls are apt to get nailed, given half a chance. Not “who is morally responsible’, but “what are girls apt do”

With males, the propensity for sexual behavior sets in at puberty, reliable as clockwork. With girls there is no synchronization, with sexuality sometimes setting in inconveniently early, very early indeed, sometimes inconveniently late.

It is reasonable to debate this, but you strangely insist on debating a different question.

Biologically, this defect in the female maturation process only makes sense if we are entirely descended from populations that vigorously controlled females, that females did not get to choose. That all populations, tribes, empires, faiths, races, that failed to exercise very strong male control over female sexual, reproductive, and domestic services vanished.

You are failing to acknowledge the problems that necessitate very strong male control over females. And you are strangely failing to notice me talking about the problems that necessitate very strong male control over females.

Lacking vigorous external enforcement, we get defect/defect equilibrium between men and women, the game of players and bitches, which makes it difficult for both men and women to have families, makes it difficult for both men and women to reproduce. And this extremely strong control over female behavior often needs to start inconveniently early.

Absent that control, we are going to disappear for lack of grandchildren. Females need to be chaperoned the whole time, regardless of age. Absent that chaperoning, whoring will ensue. If no chaperone, no virgins, if no virgins, no grandchildren.

The Cominator says:

While I have a softer view towards female whoring than most here clearly something very very nasty and traumatic far beyond normal whoring was done to both Megan Fox and Britney Spears. Jim says that guys sometimes do things to young boobless girls..

I suspect Angelina Jolie and Drew Barrymore as well though Drew Barrymore recovered from it a lot better.

The Cominator says:

Polanski’s girl was 13 and her mother was pimping her out. All involved were shocked that it went legal (as it was basically legal in practiceto fuck teenage girls in the 60s and 70s)… but Polanski must have had enemies and they made it the test case.

The girl never outright said she liked it due to fear of feminists… but clearly since she visits him she liked it.

Red says:

My mistake, she admitted as part of the trial she had started having sex at 11.

i says:

Actually doing something about sex trafficking would involve locking up large numbers of black and Hispanic people, so it’s not going to happen.

Christians are already eroding it away or at least keeping it from becoming more bad than it already is. Girls and little boys have and are being rescued from sex trafficking. At least according to search results and the comment section on this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvNte6lBhn8

The main character of “Chinatown” could say: “Forget it, its Chinatown”. But not us. And not any of God’s people.

Carte Blanche says:

“Sex trafficking” is a wholly enemy-owned anti-concept, imagined into existence by Puritans and feminists and spread by ignorant or compromised McChristians.

There is no such thing as sex trafficking. There is only prostitution, and what the milk-livered normies now like to call grooming (i.e. pederasty, i.e. faggotry, there is no practical difference between any of the above).

When you say “sex trafficking”, you adopt the frame that prostitutes are victims and pimps and johns are predators. You equate the kidnapping and sodomy of boys, with girls running off to do typical girl things. This equivalence is wrong, and evil, and yet you continue to promote it without repenting or even confessing your sin.

Are you actually Christian, or are you McChristian/Churchian? Why do you continue to sin and be unrepentant of your sins?

The Cominator says:

Does stuff like what happens in the movie “Taken” happen… probably somewhat but its a niche for rich Arabs who want blonde or maybe redhead teenage girls as concubines. Most (as in the vast majority) real trafficking involves gays with little boys as victims like with most real child molesting. A lot of prostitution is eagerly done by women and they don’t have to kidnap them to get them to do it.

Red says:

Women being kidnapped by niggers and being whored out does happen. I remember a case from the 90s a 25 year old white women who stopped for gas in Detroit and was grabbed by a random nigger. She escaped the initial nigger who was whoring her out after a week, she was grab by another group of niggers(literally the first car she ran up to asking for help) who used her the same way, but eventually escaped them as well. Women who don’t want to whored out eventually get away because men always let their guard down around women they’re fucking.

Of course the whole thing could have been avoided if she’d been married had a husband who forbid her from stopping in Detroit. I just got done explaining to a girl I’m dating how car maintenance works and that the reason her car is barley working is she hasn’t gotten the oil changed in like 3 years. Women are really that dumb and need a man to tell them to do basic shit.

I’ve talked to a lot of hookers and everyone of them got into it because a friend or roommate told them it was an easy way to make money or were being pimped out by their “boy friend”. Maybe things are different with street walkers or the alike, but I wouldn’t know.

Historically child brothels were very common where bastard boys and girls where whored out to faggots like John Maynard Keynes who used to go on trips in the Mediterranean to visit those brothels.

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/2802/was-john-maynard-keynes-a-child-molester

Yet another reason faggots need flying lessons off of tall buildings.

Note the sources cited by that article have all been purged or removed. The falsification of history continues.

If McChristians had the balls to do something about abused children they go after CPS that’s stealing young boys and sometimes girls for faggots. But the McChristians I talk to steadfastly refuse to talk about the subject despite it happening right in their backyard. They become quite upset when I mention it.

The Cominator says:

“Women being kidnapped by niggers and being whored out does happen. I remember a case from the 90s a 25 year old white women who stopped for gas in Detroit and was grabbed by a random nigger. She escaped the initial nigger who was whoring her out after a week, she was grab by another group of niggers(literally the first car she ran up to asking for help) who used her the same way, but eventually escaped them as well. Women who don’t want to whored out eventually get away because men always let their guard down around women they’re fucking.”

I mean if you as an a non intelligence agency conmnected type kidnapping a girl to whore her out unwillingly in the US will fail, she will escape and go to the cops. If she knows who you are you’re looking at very very serious charges.

“I’ve talked to a lot of hookers and everyone of them got into it because a friend or roommate told them it was an easy way to make money or were being pimped out by their “boy friend”. Maybe things are different with street walkers or the alike, but I wouldn’t know.”

Some are drug addicts who can’t hold down a job (these are the type you want to avoid who have all the bad stereotypes) but yeah its generally as you say. I’ve had a few non pro girls who when drunk who’ve blurted out that they think becoming a hooker or stripper would be fun (these are generally crazy or semi crazy chicks anyway) I think with those type of girls they just will go down that route with any little amount of encouragement and absent any negative judgement from their family or social circle. This group tends to be fun… the boyfriend or roommate suggestion is just the little bit of social approval the girl needed to get into something she kind of dreamed about doing anyway.

Red says:

I have a real aversion to drug addicts. Addicts are unreliable and can’t be trusted. I’m on team Taliban when it comes to drug use.

The Cominator says:

Hard drug use is not something the state is very effective at stopping unless you form a truly tyrannical all pervasive government ala Mao’s China (the only government to win a war on drugs) but hard drug use has really become a much much bigger thing than it used to be since the beginning of the clownworld era in 2010ish. EVERYONE from New England rich poor white and nig knows multiple people who died. The best the state can do is cultural propaganda…

One thing I noticed is that prior to the clownworld era (whatever stats said) almost every woman who went out to any party or nightlife venue smoked, whatever the stats say it was about 80-90% of them nothing had changed much on this respect since the 50s and 60s. After this period the cancer sticks started to disappear but the number of heroin ODs and fat women went way up.

I think all societies have sorts of drugs of choice… turning the propaganda up to 11 against the cancer sticks seemed to me to have negative consequences. They were certainly a lesser evil than mass obesity and heroin (and now fentanyl).

confused says:

I’ve been trying to understand Musk’s moves with Twitter this past week and came across this:

https://twitter.com/cb_doge/status/1678300754153558016

That outfit is definitely what Musk is wearing in his profile pic. What’s the deal with the upside-down cross? Musk even responded to this tweet so I don’t think it’s faked.

Contaminated NEET says:

It’s definitely real. Supposedly, it’s just an edgy Halloween costume, but proggies and demon worshipers love to tell you the horrible truth in a deniable jokey way, for some twisted reason. Elon says a lot of good things, and a lot of questionable things, but when he says he’s a big fan of the Prince of Lies, even as a joke, it’s worth keeping in mind.

someDude says:

Pertinent to the Christian-Islam alliance against Woke, https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/01/far-right-politicians-convert-islam/551438/

Quick summary of the article: Nothing to see here, please keep moving.

Contaminated NEET says:

Longer summary: Wicked evil disgusting Nazi Hitler white males are saying they’re converting to Islam because they’re shifty and stupid, but they’re still disgusting evil violent and low status. They’re nothing at all like our lovely and delightful, if sometimes mischievous, brown Muslim pets who contribute so much to our society, and they don’t count as real Muslims.

Calvin says:

I can understand their motives, but having spent some actual time in the hellholes that Islam creates I can only see this as a very bad sign. If our people fall into that trap we’ll solve the woman question at the cost of permanently regressing into yet another wasteland of cousin-humping, low iq brown savages devoid of culture, history, technology, fun, or any worthwhile future. The stars will be forever out of reach.

ten says:

Islam solves all problems in the most retard-proof way possible, pushing the threshold for proliferation down, and so is in a permanent downward cycle.

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