If we continue to move left at the same rate as we were moving left in 2016-2024, then by 2032 the moderate left position will be that everyone should immediately torture to death everyone insufficiently left, the radical left position will be that everyone should torture to death everyone who is not purely and truly left, and no one is purely and truly left, the moderate right position will be that only the moderate right should be tortured to death (compare today’s moderate republican position on policies aimed to eliminate moderate Republicans from politics by election rigging and population replacement) and the ultra extreme radical far right Hitler Hitler Hitler position will be that very few people need to be tortured to death for insufficient leftism.
Asmongold is a hugely influential influencer. He is a gamer, and resents the vicious and hateful attack on by gaming companies on gamers. So when it comes to gaming, he is perceived by the left as genocidal Hitler Hitler Hitler. But on everything else, he is not even moderate right. He is centrist, thermidorean, or moderate left. Right wing on what he knows, accepts the Zeitgeist on everything he does not know or does not much care about. Apart from arguing that video games should not spit on and deride most of their audience, and that influencers who say so should not be cancelled, he is 2020s moderate left. On video games and cancel culture, he is Hitler nazi Hitler Hitler Hitler.
This analogous to most people’s position on the legacy media during the last few decades. On anything that they themselves knew about, they were aware that the legacy media was ignorant, stubbornly indifferent to truth, and aggressively pumping out hostile manipulative disinformation. On anything they did not themselves know and care about, they trusted the legacy media completely.
So people like Asmongold, the vast majority of normies, should not be allowed to vote. That they can vote is dangerous. You don’t want the sheep deciding which way the flock goes, because then you will get people herding the sheep to the slaughterhouse.
Right now, our civilisation is falling, and our race and people are vanishing. Imports are not replacing the missing grandchildren, most of them live on crime and wefare, which is unsustainable once our people disappear. Obviously only radical measures can fix this problem. Poofs off roofs, de-emancipate women, and conscript wombs (Coverture, white Sharia). Fertile age women need to find a husband as soon as they reach fertile age and develop the corresponding secondary sexual characteristics, or if not, have one found for them. Preferably by her father, but by the authorities if no father, or father failing at his task. And once married, the woman has to honor and obey, the man has to cherish. Divorce only for female adultery or male abandonment, male abandonment a crime, female adultery a serious crime for the woman, and an even more serious crime for the adulterer. Shooting adulterers should be legal, or not very seriously illegal. You can kill someone who is trying to steal your television, why not someone who is trying to steal your wife? Also I have noticed that if women plausibly suspect that their man would kill them and the interloper, that makes their man considerably more attractive in their eyes. We may reasonably suppose that that was the ancestral environment of successful reproduction for women.
The problem with emancipation is that it leads to women exercising unrestrained sexual and reproductive choice. Which sounds like it is going to be a good thing for women, and the alternative a very bad thing for women. But if women get continuing sexual and reproductive choice, you have abolished marriage 1.0. Reproduction and family is a prisoner’s dilemma problem. Marriage 1.0 was social and legal enforcement of cooperate/cooperate equilibrium. Without it, you get defect/defect equilibrium. Which means that very few people, male or female, get the choice of family. Instead, women get pornotopia, which would be great for them if they were men, but which not at all what women want. It makes them heartsick, neurotic, and crazy. And most men get inceldom, which is very bad for them, and gives them no incentive to work, to pay taxes, or to fight for God, King, and Country. About three percent of men get pornotopia, but eventually discover that pornotopia is not what they like either, hence player burnout, though pornotopia is a lot more attractive for men than for women. Trouble is, no matter how alpha you are, there is always some man who is plausibly more alpha than you. “She was never yours, it was just your turn.”
Limited franchise, poofs off roofs, de-emancipation, and womb conscription are “extreme far radical right”. They are also the only positions compatible with long term survival. Without them, we are short of grandchildren.
And pretty soon, if nothing very radical happens under Trump, failure to murder everyone who is insufficiently left is likely to also be “extreme far radical right”, just as moderate Republicans now go along with cancel culture.
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The problem the world over is that our current “right wing” leaders are mostly old-school feminists, i.e. far right according to the radical left, but in reality really, very much left of centre.
One thing I can say is that Modi is definitely a believer in “Nari Shakti” or women power, so you cannot expect radical right wing movement from Modi, but what the Modi administration has shown since 2014 is that it can halt radical leftism if there is a reasonably cohesive alliance of the moderates. The moderates need not agree on everything but simply agree on what needs to be suppressed.
The obvious issue is with this is that, there will be a vaccuum in the place of a virtuous state religion, which gaps if left unfilled over time, will be occupied by another evil ideology. One hopes that, by preventing the shark from swimming, the shark drowns. Even if Trump cannot become the God Emperor and Patriarch of America, he can still halt Leftism if he wants to by becoming Stalin or giving way to a Stalin. But the seeds of the virtuous state religion to take over has to be sown quickly before Stalin departs the stage.
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The vacuum will be filled by something, sooner or later. The question, in American and in India, is what?
Exactly. The moderates think that their unprincipled exceptions to leftism alone form a cohesive state religion.
While we know that current year MAGA and Hindutva are nothing more than placeholders waiting to give way to truly virtuous state religions respectively.
We have a more immediate kind of problem due to the Trump-Musk blowup. Looks a lot like Vance has been the real candidate of the Tech Right all along.
This matters, because so many people were kissing Trump’s ring, that started to make me optimistic. However crazy it sounds, there are people even calling themselves “MAGA Communists” ! Or Joe Rogan is a “MAGA liberal”.
Without or after Trump, things can get a lot worse again, exactly how you described it.
Basically in modern terms, the Real Right can only win if cults of ideology can be replaced by cults of personality. Because a cult of personality is the closest thing to monarchy these days. Strictly personal, not ideological kinds of loyalty and devil take ideology, the King just does whatever he wants to.
Every single attempt of the Right trying a cult of ideology as opposed to personality failed, largely due to treason from inside + entryism. Time to try something else.
(BTW this might be why you Jim don’t much like Catholicism, even that of the past. Catholicism of the past, when it was “based”, Syllabus of Errors etc., can be understood as a Rightist cult of ideology, not personality. Like Vatican ideology above Kings, that stuff.)
Problem is, no one except Trump seems capable of generating that.
Question: if I wanted to summarize the core of the Dark Enlightenment to outsiders, would this do: cults of ideology are bad, even cults of Rightist ideology, it is better to have a cult of personality?
That literally has nothing to do with Dark Enlightenment. Not even a sliver. It’s “Not Even Wrong”, just a category error or irrelevant nonsense.
Back when I was a little kid and went on field trips, there was another little kid in the class who always got lost. Always; no matter where we went, what the subject was, who it was with, or how long we were there, he’d always somehow end up separated from the group, in the relative middle of nowhere, just wandering around aimlessly and wondering where everyone went. It wasn’t mischief or pranks, he just had no sense of direction and no situational awareness.
You are that kid, in the realm of ideas and discussion. Somehow, no matter what the subject is, or who is talking, you end up having a completely different conversation without ever realizing that you’ve left the group behind. You don’t pay any attention to the voices out here, only to the voices constantly chattering in your own head, like an AI being trained on its own output and progressively accumulating errors until it reaches hallucinations and other deranged conclusions.
I mean, how the hell else does one come to the conclusion that the Dark Enlightenment–which is a rejection of Enlightenment ideas and promotes Throne, Altar and Freehold, and requires women be defined and understood as male property–is actually a statement that “cults of personality are better than cults of ideology”? How do you even get from point A to point B? Where is your logic? That is like Grampa Simpson tier senility.
And while it’s not really my place to elucidate Jim’s position on Catholicism, I’m pretty positive it doesn’t revolve around being a “cult of ideology”, but rather the fact that it is completely and utterly demon-possessed and was has been run by and for pathological faggots for the longest time.
100%.
I was planning to write a boring yawn-inducing sleeping-aid *ahhhhh-hhaaaaa* effortpost going line by line ‘correcting’ all his Not Even Wrong bullshit – but then decided to make my work environment (I post from work sometimes) more “hostile and toxic” by playing on some local chud musicians in the background instead.
At least when it comes to ideological opponents like the prolapsed and perforated Anus, there’s a benefit to be derived from such endeavors, occasionally that is; this guy however seems to be experiencing some genuine “AF Moments” lately. Not gonna bother with that.
In a vague and very indirect way I think he was hinting that rule by warriors is better than rule by priests. But that’s something we all agree on and I think Kingly warrior rule is an outcome of rather than a core defining feature of Dark Enlightenment.
But that’s my very charitable interpretation. European philosophy goes over my head anyway.
Very, very charitable; altogether too charitable in my opinion. My most charitable interpretation would have been something to the effect of “history is always made by great men”, which is an incidental rather than foundational DE meme, and still has nothing to do with personality cults; great men do great things because they are great men, not because they have cult followings, and they would do great things even without cult followings as great men throughout history have always done.
This whole personality-cult thing is just wacky nonsense that came out of nowhere. Or maybe is prole-projection: TD desperately wants to pledge blind obedience to someone, so he projects that feeling onto us and the entire DE sphere. Which, to be fair, is a perfectly acceptable and virtuous frame for the spiritual serf; he just shouldn’t be playing in the intellectual playground if that’s the case.
“Cult of personality” is just a leftist enemy meme by priests to subvert warriors just like “liberalism” is a Trojan horse hiding the true evil behind a lot of holy justifications.
There is no cult of personality. Just charismatic great men who attract followers. And priests hate that because it undercuts their power.
It appears that the (continental) Europoors are totally lost; they can’t make heads or tails of the situation at all. Meme-wise they are lagging behind some 15 years or so, as Alf said in the other thread. One would think that the internet would fix that, since everyone can just download Twitter, and most schools around the world teach English – nope, they have no clue.
Indians are starting to get it, Israelis are starting to get it, while Europeans basically live on a different planet. The awakening will be very, very rude.
You overlook the possibility that Jack T. Chick and Malcolm Muggeridge are BOTH right:
Yes, Roman Catholicism is a false, idolatrous religion that leads to eternal damnation.
Yes, Roman Catholicism is necessary for above replacement fertility.
Why would Roman Catholicism be necessary for that? Last I heard the Taliban was not Roman Catholic.
Nor were they Anglican. I meant of course within the framework of groups that consider themselves Christian.
The Taliban enforces a lot of things, but not monogamy. Polygamy makes it possible to quickly recover from losses inflicted by e.g. Soviets, because one man is sufficient to impregnate a lot of women.
In that case, Trumpism must be entirely irrelevant to the Dark E. Because my summary of Trumpism I hold correct. (Also Orbánism, very similar and I have more exp with that.)
Is Bibism the “core” of Israeli Reaction?
Come on, you’re not actually low IQ. You can do better than that. Read Scarebucks’ and Dharmic’s posts and think harder about what the DE actually is. It’s not at all what you are saying here.
Of course it’s irrelevant. While Trump is his own man and it’s hard to precisely categorize what he beliefs, he is currently aligned with Thermidor, and Thermidor is decidedly not Dark Enlightenment. That is the whole point; Thermidor always breaks left or right, and if it breaks right, then it needs to enlist actual reactionaries to do the dirty work because the moderate left/right are conversant in neither the theory nor practice of ruling.
Trump is a hypothetical candidate for a hypothetical Restoration which is sort of vaguely DE-adjacent, but here again, “personality cult” is completely the wrong framing. Restorations are about legitimacy. Populism might look like legitimacy for a short time, but quickly evaporates when the subject needs to do something important but unpopular–such as, oh, I don’t know, abolishing the judiciary, or abolishing Medicare or Social Security, or driving tanks into Harvard Yard, all of which are mere ripples in an ocean of things that will need to be done by a hypothetical legitimate King of America in order to remain in power for more than a month.
“Trumpism” isn’t a coherent memeplex and is barely an identifiable mass movement, it’s mostly a word coined by the left to spit on Trump voters, falsely implying that those voters have no minds of their own and are just blindly following Trump on whatever. In 2016, they were the “basket of deplorables”, and in 2017 they were “Trumpists”, but nothing else changed except the label.
https://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9syll.htm
is this your idea of demonic possession and faggotry? it is more based than anything in the last 150 years
Here some Himmler. Himmler implies that Saint Paul was a homosexual who hated women, and that nearly 95% of monasteries are infested with homosexual priests.
“It relies on Paul and the very first apostles who derogate the woman as something sinful and permit or recommend marriage as merely a legal way out of prostitution – that is in the Bible – and derogate the procreation of children as a necessary evil.
This priesthood continues along in this way for several centuries until in 1139 the celibacy of priests is fully implemented. I am furthermore convinced that the way out for the few who do not want to yield to this homosexuality, especially for the country parsons, the majority of whom – more than 50 % – I estimate not to be homosexual, is to procure for themselves in confession the necessary married and single women; I assume that in the monasteries the homosexuality ranges from 90 – 95 – 100% …”
– Heinrich Himmler, Speech at the group leader meeting in Bad Tölz in 1937
The opinion of Heinrich Himmler, not necessarily mine.
Huh! Our dear friend Eli appeared to believe that I’m the reincarnation of Saint Paul, and he also held him to be a wicked homo and all that stuff. Eli Himmler hahahaha!
(I’m not the reincarnation of Saint Paul.)
…which is apparently how long you’ve been living under a rock, if 150 years sounds like a reasonable time frame to you.
Jim has Named the Gay so many times by now, it’s impossible for anyone who actually reads this blog not to have noticed. I’m referring specifically to the heretical Protoevangelium of James. That’s roughly two thousand years old, and the cancer is believed to have fully metastasized about a millennium later, several centuries before Hobbes.
150 years is the blink of an eye. It’s meaningless. Roman Catholicism has been broken and pozzed for a lot longer than that. It’s sort of like the European version of African voodoo, i.e. it’s the lower-functioning baseline state that the race reverts to when higher-order ideas fail due to memetic or biological corruption. “I don’t really get all this deep spiritual stuff so hey, let’s just worship some guy in a funny hat and a mother figure who is also somehow a virgin”. And for all their vaunted fertility, Catholic families produce huge numbers of leftists because those sons and daughters all want out of Catholicism as soon as possible; the Catholic Schoolgirl Whore isn’t a stereotype for no reason.
(I know, I’m drawing an unfair caricature here, but Roman Catholics are insufferable when they pipe up and need to be put in their place.)
From Frank Zappa’s “Catholic Girls.”
“And for all their vaunted fertility, Catholic families produce huge numbers of leftists because those sons and daughters all want out of Catholicism as soon as possible; the Catholic Schoolgirl Whore isn’t a stereotype for no reason.”
Gary North already noted that, unless you make crucial changes in society at large, having children just means more meat for the meat grinder. Easy meat.
One such change is leaving GloboHetero. Many White Christians look at Muslims and commit the Sin of Envy, thinking: “Why can’t WE have parallel societies in which we restrict female sexuality, treat women like property and do other naughty things?”
The explanation that requires the least amount of conspiracy theory, the least amount of tinfoilhattery is of course that the religious stuff of Muslims is mainly written in Arabic, a language Ms S.J.W. Karen doesn’t understand.
Hans Jansen: “I know Arabic. People like Abou Hafs are very dangerous.”
Audrey Truschke: “I know Sanskrit. People like Narendra Modi are very dangerous.”
Eddo Verdoner: “I know Old Norse. People like Varg Vikernes are very dangerous.”
The dark enlightenment is ideas — and these ideas were never intended for the masses.
It was always going to be about Karp and Palantir and the jews. The big beautiful golden dome is there to have dragonfly or spider drones enter your room at night and blow your fucking head off while you sleep for opposing noahide law. Sorry evangelicals, they’re coming for you too.
Your last paragraph suggests that you no longer think that Thermidor can stays in control for a decade or so. Why? What has changed?
There is a lot of ruin in a nation. A lot of people (myself included) held out hope that the Biden regime might punctuate the beginning of an era of Brezhnevian decline, and were surprised by how rapidly it began spiraling into World War III and total economic collapse. Likewise, a lot of people hold out hope that Thermidor might be able to “hold the line” for years or decades, but may be surprised by just how fragile that coalition is and how quickly it cracks up under pressure.
Note I say “may”, we really don’t have positive proof that the timeline for crack-up has been accelerated, it’s just that the Musk fallout is a bad omen, not to mention the failure to pull out of Ukraine. In any case, Thermidor was/is always destined for self-destruction, it was just a question of how soon.
The left can’t build cohesion, but it is really good at breaking cohesion, and Thermidor does not have a lot of cohesion in reserve. Thus only radical action can preserve what little they do have; they need to destroy the left’s ability to destroy their cohesion and that pretty well means destroying the left itself. The shutdown of USAID was a remarkable coup, but when you have a successful coup, you need to hunt down all the members of the old elite and either kill or convert them (usually the former). Thermidor was soft, let their enemies regroup, and now have lost both the high ground and the element of surprise. We needed a Sulla, but got more of a Reagan.
They can still fight, in theory, but it is now going to be much harder to win than it would have been in, say, early April. We’ve passed several critical moments during which they first blinked, and have now decisively lost the advantage, e.g. the judiciary’s illegal orders. The more high ground the Thermidorean coalition concedes, the harder it will be to regain.
I would say all is not yet lost, and they can still rally, and the doomers and despair merchants are (as usual) out way too early peddling their wares. But the coalition is definitely starting to fracture, and each new fracture means that even more drastic action is going to be required to hold it together.