Wash your hands before touching your face. Soap and water not only removes the virus, but kills it. Disinfectant works, but is unnecessary.
The virus survives for a day or two on glass, steel (such a doorknobs) and plastic (such as supermarket wrappings) Windex spray kills and removes the virus. Clean everything that has been exposed to outsiders. Windex spray is more convenient than soap and water for doorknobs and such.
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It is likely that the anti malarial drug Chloraquine is effective against the virus.
It is also likely that the virus is evolving into less lethal forms, evolving into its own live vaccine, which protects you against more lethal forms.
Soap and windex is the best public and personal health measure.
**Wash your hands before touching your face**
You know… I am a doctor, and although I agree that this is good advice, it is way harder than it sounds to remember this every time. Now that we all rely on phones for everything (which I transport between the ED and my kitchen table) it’s probably impossible to avoid virus transmission.
The virus does not survive very long on absorbent surfaces, so if your phone is always in your pockets or in your hand, should be OK. Have baby wipes at hand and wipe your phone after you have touched it with dirty hands. You should have baby wipes at hand for cleaning your eyes and nose.
Virus can survive a long time on your phone, but the absorbent surfaces in your pocket are likely to clean it. Baby wipes are both absorbent and soapy, thus likely to be very effective against the virus.
Good thing I had many babies!
I knew you’d be shilling this thing.
Vox is too, you’re both on the inside, paid shills.
Amazing.
Jim is not really shilling this thing I’d say hes taking a moderate position between skeptics (I’m firmly a skeptic) and the hysterics and shills.
As much as I think Teddy Spaghetti can be a huge faggot sometimes I don’t think hes really shilling this thing either.
Is this a hoax? is this more lethal than the flu for people who are 1) under 60 2) not East Asian 3) suffering from no chronic health conditions? I guess we’ll know in 7 days?
The virus exist but all the panicmongering is a bullshit hoax.
Cloraquine (I’m glad Jim mentioned that in a post overall) a well known cheap malaria drug appears to wipe this thing out.
I suggest we all start spamming the White House and our Senators (and especially if you live in Kentucky Rand Paul, because Rand Paul would understand this and he knows that Trump is getting very bad advice on this) on this for what its worth as well as blasting it all over social media.
No, it’s not a hoax. Yes, it’s more lethal than the flu for people under 60. It’s also more contagious than the flu, considerably so.
Mortality in Italy by age:
https://twitter.com/joel_mossong/status/1239290883893321729
The panic IS a hoax. Cloraquine is basically the cure and its a well known drug.
There is no panic, although there should have been. It was “just the flu bro” and “public hysteria” until basically yesterday.
Chloroquine is spelled with O and might be a cure.
At least Trump figured it out (pivoted pretty quickly I must admit) so he didn’t irreparably hurt his reelection chances.
What will hurt his reelection chances is all the hysteria tanking the economy. Trump knows it is in fact equivalent to a bad flu (even though its a different virus) but he seems to lack the strength to stand up to the panicmongers.
Also given that its a retrovirus they in all known cases only mutate towards weaker not stronger versions.
Cloraquine is a fucking cure though it needs to be given for two weeks.
Trump needs to make an announcement about Cloraquine soon, and he needs to give ORDERS that social venues are to reopen ASAP and that this thing needs to run its course because more lives will be lost from a bad economy than delaying the virus spread and that furthermore a reliable antiviral exists.
There’s no hysteria, only people who don’t know what they’re talking about telling people who do know what they’re talking about that “it’s just a bad cold” and “it only harms Asians and old people” and so on.
Social distancing and mask production should have happened weeks ago. What’s happening now is appropriate. Maybe not certain types of hoarding or panic-selling, but all the rest.
You have too much trust for leftists and the cathedral media. They did not suddenly become truthful. They did not suddenly stop trying to get Trump, this is them trying to get him via destroying his economy.
I’m not against producing masks (and in fact one of the few real ways this spreads person to person is via planes and to some degree trains if people don’t have masks) people wearing masks is fine. .
I am against “social distancing” because it does too much harm to the economy, NOTHING should be allowed to harm Trump’s economy in his reelection year. And that is where the whole scam of this is. This will end up not even killing as many people as the seasaonal flu because no matter what muh experts say it has a weak airborne spread and its surface spread is only strong in cooler weather.
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Get a real job, word-scribbling faggot.
About half the people in intensive care for CoVID-19 are not old nor have pre-existing health conditions.
If you are old and frail, intensive care is likely to kill you regardless of what put you in intensive care. If you are young and healthy, will likely survive the intensive care, but surviving intensive care is by no means guaranteed, especially if the staff are overburdened.
Absent intensive care, we don’t really know what the death rate is likely to be. Probably a lot higher, maybe substantially lower. People go into intensive care for CoVID-19 because they have difficulty breathing and their blood oxygen falls to alarmingly low levels. I have a personal oxygen concentrator and personal blood oxygen monitor, which I purchased when I first heard of the plague, and should I get very sick, will not call the ambulance unless it is really needed.
I also have caches, mainly of dried chick peas, dried mung beans, coconut oil, rice, dry chicken stock, and moonshine, which I stashed long ago in case of political Zombie apocalypse.
When young people cannot get intensive care, we may get a really high death rate among young people. Or maybe a lower death rate. We don’t really know.
If there is a shortage of intensive care, old people and people with pre-existing health conditions should be the first ones turned away, because intensive care is dangerous, and more dangerous for old people and people with pre-existing health conditions.
Jim, I hate to break the news to you but this has been going on in the States, and the rest of the globe, for at least 8 weeks.
You are presenting this as if it has just come onto your radar.
Anyone even semi conscious knows what is going on, at this point.
There is much conflicting information out there, for instance from journalists who have been lying for years, but suddenly now there’s a crisis and we’re supposed to trust what they say on the virus. I don’t; these people are sloppy and unreliable.
One the other hand, when someone like Jim posts on the virus, I am grateful and pay attention. I don’t mind him waiting a bit before posting on it; need time to see how important it really is, and need time to check information.
Exactly Alf that is why you know this is mostly hysteria, CNN and other Cathedral outlets didn’t suddenly become a truthful and reliable source of information because there is a crisis. Fake news then and fake news now.
Cloraquine is all but a cure for this, everything should be reopened and the bug should be allowed to run its course now that we know that there is an effective antiviral to use for cases which are life threatening.
Chloraquine might help a bit, but I’m still not looking forward to my SARS-CoV-2 infection. Chloraquine is not all that effective – otherwise there wouldn’t be so many dead, nor so many in intensive care. I have read that half of the patients in intensive care are not yet 50.
The younger ones will probably survive, but some of them the will have lost about third of their lungs. Maybe the lung will regenerate somewhat, maybe they’ll be short of breath for the rest of their lives. I don’t know and don’t think anyone knows yet.
Whether the pandemic should be allowed to run its course or not, is probably moot because it will run its course. I doubt any country in the West will do what would be necessary to contain the virus.
Not too many Korean dead and they only started using it later.
“Whether the pandemic should be allowed to run its course or not, is probably moot because it will run its course. I doubt any country in the West will do what would be necessary to contain the virus.”
Yes and we should stop trying… Trump needs to uncuck himself on this fast and go back to his original position.
Korean situation looks good – at present. I assume that is because they started testing early and found a lot of case very early (including false positives). Most cases are still active. Therefore too soon to to conclude anything from it.
Italy looks really bad, presently 31506 officially infected, 2503 dead, 2941 recovered. Triage is happening right now.
As you suggest that we should stop trying to slow the spread, how do you suggest should trÃage be handled?
By age? By race? Or should hospital beds be auctioned off to whoever pays the most?
Allow volunteer nurses deploy the military medical core to treat civilians during the outbreak establish field hospitals and mass deploy cloroquine.
Should not need to ration much.
Why must you continue posting these inane ramblings on every thread related to this topic? You have no information, you obviously understand nothing about epidemiology, and your reading of the political situation is a complete joke – no one is getting mad at Trump for finally taking the same steps that SK and HK took, only for doing it so late and giving out misinformation in the early days.
People who think they know what Trump “needs” to do usually “need” to shut up and listen. It’s great that we have more information and additional ways to deal with this; that doesn’t mean we move to the retarded UK model of “just let it spread”, it means that social distancing is actually likely to work, that it’s not too late and if we’re careful now we can actually eliminate it.
>the retarded UK model of “just let it spreadâ€
They abandoned it. Apparently, their initial model was broken, and the updated forecast was 260,000 dead.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/18/will-the-costs-of-a-great-depression-outweigh-the-risks-of-coronavirus/
Freaking out about Corona-chan is faggotry it should be allowed to run its course and anyone who disagrees is on the side of the left and the cathedral and should be treated as a shill.
A “run its course” policy was tried in Britain, and their intensive care units are overwhelmed already, not that it takes much to overwhelm their intensive care units.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/
“A “run its course†policy was tried in Britain, and their intensive care units are overwhelmed already, not that it takes much to overwhelm their intensive care units.”
I’m saying some deaths have to be accepted avoiding a depression is more important then saving a few people.
Hospitals in general are dangerous places as they are a breeding ground for infections that can wreak havoc on an already busy immune system. E.g. my father was in hospital with cancer but actually died of the pneumonia he got there. Generally speaking people should only go to hospitals if it is absolutely necessary, not just these times but in general.
BTW I looked into the history of health insurance and generally found that 100 years ago it was mostly about lost wages due to illness, as healthcare itself was cheap, people were in bed at home with the occasional doctor visit. Then all this very expensive hospital-centric healthcare industry developed and given that it is also a breeding ground for infections not sure if it worths it.
My uncle who didn’t read How Doctors Die but has a good canny common sense said that now he is 75 if he gets cancer he will not get it treated at all. Seeing how my father and others died, the difference seems to him living a shitty 10 months with chemo feeling like a zombie or living a good 6 months feeling alive without treatment until the pain kicks in.
No long boiling hospital clothing and the banning of using a ton of bleach as disinfectant may have something to do with it.
When young people cannot get intensive care, the death rate will be much higher. Some people survive intensive care. No one goes into intensive care for fun. Needing it and not getting means the patient dies.
I disagree with your opinion that in a shortage of intensive care, old people and people with pre-existing health conditions should be the first ones to be turned away. Let’s consider Italy as it is the first Western country that has to start triage.
First to be turned away should be illegal aliens. I want an 80 year old Italian to have a chance to survive even if it means turning away a 20 year old Solmali who entered Italy illegally.
Next to be turned away should be any non-Italian Aliens.
Next to be turned away should be any Italians who have been convicted to prison sentences of more than say 10 years.
Etc. You get the idea. Hospitals were created by people who contributed to society. Those who contributed and their families should get access first – regardless of chances of survival.
Your suggestion implies turning away the 55 year old engineer tay paying engineer to save the 20 year old Muslim drug dealer.
People are not equal. Therefore they should not get equal acces to treatment.
True, but getting it and not needing it kills quite a few people.
Hospitals are excessively inclined to put people in hospital. We would be considerably healthier if fewer hospitalizations, if hospitals only hospitalized those that really need it. Of course, it is hard to say who really needs it. If they don’t hospitalize someone, who therefore dies, big trouble ensues, whereas if they do hospitalize someone who was quite ill, but did not need to go to hospital and should not have gone to hospital, and he therefore dies, no problem.
With viral pneumonia it is easy to decide who needs intensive care. Those who cannot get enough air on their own do. It is easy to tell whether someone is suffocating or not.
Your statement about hospitals putting people into intensive care is generally correct, but not for the present situation in Northern Italy and generally not for a medical crisis where triage is done.
“No one goes into intensive care for fun. ”
Actually there are people like that and there is even a medical term for people like that (Munchausen Syndrome), luckily its rare.
It’s a fake diagnosis. Independent intersection of two different conditions or behaviors, not a separate thing-in-itself. Mom has strong and compulsive need to impress doctor (HPD, a common and likely real diagnosis), especially male doctor (again HPD), spend time around doctor and seduce doctor (did I mention HPD); and is crazy enough to sacrifice her children in order to get into the doctor’s office or the doctor’s pants.
You could take the latter as either being a further extreme of the HPD (so not a different condition) or as a near-serial-killer level of psychopathy that happens to originate independently of the HPD.
This is an example (which I might have mentioned at the time) of what I was arguing with Jim earlier, that the reality of a diagnosis actually relies on a conjunction of things that he was saying make it unlikely to be real. Munchhausen-by-proxy “syndrome” is easily decomposed into real conditions but is not real itself.
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Thanks for Dr. Lin’s presentation.
Very informative and easy to follow.
Best of fortune out there. Although in all honesty this is the most fun I’ve had in a long time. The sheer mayhem in the grocery stores….the 1980s style perestroika shortages….the obsession with paper products…..the complete elimination of plastic grocery bags from the entire regional supply chains of at least two of my local grocery stores….the facemasks on all the local Chinese….the wide range of attitudes…the panicky boomer friend who is convinced of his imminent death locked in his 4000 square foot McMansion with four cats……etc. etc.
It is appropriate that the curse that one should live in interesting times is Chinese in origins….although whether the Coronachan was actually Chinese in provenance remains to be seen.
Anyway, hope everyone here stays well or gets herd immunity.
Saw this regarding young people.
https://twitter.com/samira_jeimy/status/1238885284332408832
Some possibly useful information regarding Covid-19
1. NAC an OTC supplement available at GNC and on Amazon might be useful.
https://erj.ersjournals.com/content/10/7/1535.short
2. Chloroquinine might be useful
https://twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1238553266369318914
3. OTC supplement Quercetin might be useful.
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/the-current-for-feb-28-2020-1.5479561/as-coronavirus-spread-speeds-up-montreal-researchers-will-trial-an-anti-viral-treatment-for-covid-19-in-china-1.5480134
4. NSAIDS – Asprin, Ibuprofen, etc., might be BAD.
https://twitter.com/samira_jeimy/status/1238885284332408832
NSAIDs are useful because it suppresses the immune response, and the complications of massive immune response is often what kills you.
But you don’t want to suppress your immune response unless the battle going on inside your body is about to imminently kill you.
If you have a headache for internal reasons unrelated to invasion of your body by a hostile life form, yes, take NSAIDs. But if you are sick because you are under attack by hostile creatures inside you, very bad idea. If your body decides to have a fever, it is because the SARS-Cov-2 virus does not like warm weather.
A high fever is bad for you, and a very high fever can kill or permanently injure you. But it is worse for the virus.
Also Vit. D of course.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5yVGmfivAk&fbclid=IwAR0SBGJA0SO
This Doctor is connected to the medical establishment doing Vitamin C trials in China:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwbCCm8Y8G8
This is his channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/rzcheng/videos
Those Vitamin C trials have already saved many Chinese lives.
Take care.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDlh1seUGjY
That is some quality information. Thank you.
I’m getting the feeling this is going to have a major global/political impact even after the virus recedes. I just don’t know how yet.
Great Recession 2.0. Going to accelerate the changes we’ve already seen since 2007.
Saw this Tucker clip. The guest’s mannerisms should like a total sperg, but the information is interesting.
https://twitter.com/TheWesternldeaI/status/1240492347512836096
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtN-goy9VOY
So apparently what makes Corona unique is that it infects the immune system as well as epithelial cells. Which really makes you wonder about that possible four percent HIV component.
Intravenous Vitamin C successfully reverses ARDS(acute respiratory disease syndrome) and effective at treating sepsis:
http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n19.shtml
https://www.dailywire.com/news/epidemiologist-behind-highly-cited-coronavirus-model-admits-he-was-wrong-drastically-revises-model?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro
More evidence it was fake and gay. I think we should make up the deaths with mass executions of him and all sorts of other media panicmongers but I know a lot of other people around here are far more forgiving then I am.
Yep. We’ve been had.
Initial death toll estimates in the US were 2 million. Then 200,000. Now 20,000. So, normal flu season.
The UK called it. Said Covid no longer a big deal. 50% of the population infected, hospitalization rate .001%.
Italy is counting all flu deaths as Covid. In the US flu deaths are dropping at the same rate Covid is rising.
This is rainmaking, when you claim credit for something that was going to happen anyway. The website that spread the panic was made by all left-wing activists. They’ll say it was only the quarantine that saved us, even though they were all screaming it wasn’t enough and we’d still hit the six figure death range with shelter-in-place.
Why the hospitals are full should be obvious: thanks to the media, everyone who got the sniffles went to the ER. Some had actual Covid, quickly spread to everyone there. Better safe than sorry, on the ventilator you go.
Smart money sold out in January. Interesting they went to cash instead of bonds. Now the US government is going to give them free money to buy their stocks back. Silliness. I don’t know whether to be mad or impressed.
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Quite possibly, but corona viruses are not exactly a species or family. They cheerfully engage genetic exchange, (have sex with) other positive stranded RNA viruses. It is more evolutionary network than an evolutionary tree.
It is obvious from the genome that Wu Flu is mostly bat descended, but partly HIV descended.
If a bat virus infected a gay, its descendants would likely get genes from the stew of human adapted viruses infesting him. It is suspicious, but hardly all that suspicious. It simply is not true that this could not have arisen naturally. Stuff like this happens all the time with viruses. Any time there is a new flu, it is often derived from cross species events.
What is impossible is that these HIV genes could be parallel evolution. Has to be virus sex or human meddling. And these viruses do a lot of virus sex.