I predicted after the election was massively rigged that the deep state would cease to employ the outer party, that the Republicans would not win an election for dogcatcher. Instead they continued to employ the outer party, but massively rigged the primaries, with the Republicans running candidates that outraged, demoralized, dismayed, and horrified the base. With the collapse of the censorship regime, I hear congressmen talking about this dismay and demoralization, while being rather delicate about what is causing it.
I predicted that the halt of movement left to ever more radical leftism, would not be accomplished except by a Caesar taking power, and the halt was likely to be bloody
It is early days yet, but so far looks more like the French Thermidor, which had no clear leader, was severely incohesive, and was not bloody. And promptly came under high pressure from the radical left and the reactionary right. Which troubles in the end they had to resolve by calling in Caesar.
Simultaneously with massive election rigging setting in America, massive election rigging occurred throughout the Global American Empire. But in Argentina we just saw an election in which the election rigging, though large, was ineffectual against the landslide. Incohesion among the election riggers in Argentina set in simultaneously with incohesion among American censors.
As Vivek and Musk explain, the censorship apparatus is an arm of the deep state, with its personnel taking direction from the spy agencies, and many of its personnel having both spy agency hats and private sector hats, and changing hats frequently. So the incohesion we are seeing in the censorship apparatus indicates incohesion in the deep state. Presumably the same thing happened in the Argentinian elections. And is therefore likely to happen in future Republican primaries and in the coming elections.
Javier Milei, the Argentinian Trump, however does not look genuine grassroots. His foreign policy (pro US fiat, pro Israel, pro Jewish, pro Ukraine War, pro China war) looks strangely similar to that of the obvious Thermidorean glowies I am suppressing on this blog. But his libertarianism, populism, and capitalism looks very real.
Capitalism failed in Latin America because when socialism became discredited after the fall of the Soviet Union, they, like Yeltzin’s Russia, imported postmodern capitalism from Harvard and Washington — with a disproportionate number of the carryon baggers coming in to steal everything not nailed down coming from Tel Aviv. In Latin America, they called this “neoliberalism” This was disastrous for Latin America, as it was disastrous for Russia. Then they had another go at socialism, which was just as disastrous, or even more disastrous, but socialism has a more popular story.
Cohesion is the capacity of many to act as one, a corporation is many people acting as one person, and the modern joint-stock for-profit publicly traded corporation is many acting as one to make a living. The postmodern corporation, not so cohesive, and thus not so corporate.
Jason Milei is, in many ways, an Argentinian Trump. But Trumps policy on Empire was Gorbachev like, that the state of the US empire should be allowed to be culturally themselves, should be allowed more cultural and social independence. A president who is converting to Judaism and flying to Israel does not look like cultural independence or the Argentinian cultural and racial identity. If I was running for office in Argentina, would convert to Roman Catholicism and be seen attending the mass of a radical anti Vatican priest.
What remains to be seen is whether Milie will implement modern corporate capitalism in Argentina, the corporate capitalism of Charles the Second and the Dutch Republic, or merely have another go at postmodern capitalism, which will have the same outcome as it did last time in Latin America. Postmodern capitalism is not actually all corporate, because a multitude of stakeholders, all of carefully filtered for allegiance to the faith of Harvard, have power independent of the board and the CEO, and pull the company in different directions, which tends to devolve into looting the corporation and pissing all over customers, suppliers, and shareholders. It leads to the corporation having cohesion around sodomy, abortion, and transexuality, while losing cohesion around profit, buying, selling, manufacturing, and managing capital. It abandons the mechanisms established by Charles the second and the Dutch Republic to give the corporation to act as one in the economic interest of shareholders. That Vivek has not criticised SoX suggests that the Thermidoreans are unwilling to let go of postmodern capitalism – they are the guys looting empire, and looting the corporate form. On the other hand, Vivek has criticized stake holder capitalism and Milei knows enough economics to understand why it is a disaster, so, maybe.
Tommy is one of the few brave enough to [*post stuff on Youtube that gets promoted by the Youtube authorities*]
lmao
The Black and Islam invasion of the West is an operation meant to destroy it.
Not sure if anyone will be able to expose the operators such that the masses act against them, but since those two invaders are visible, you can spark the masses to perhaps expel them back out.
Do wish there was a way to get the massees to go after the operators though.
We need more beautiful Irish, Italians, Euros, Whites out in the streets pushing the Black and Islam back where they came from.
Now if George Soros, Alex Soros, Bill Gates, Klaus Schwab, Barack Obama, Biden, Clinton, Trudeau, etc, etc would all die in fiery crashes… people would probably celebrate.
Henry Kissinger’s Final Warning
https://modernity.news/2023/11/30/henry-kissingers-final-warning
by Paul Joseph Watson
In one of Henry Kissinger’s final interviews before his death at 100 years old, the former statesman warned that Germany had made a “grave mistake” in allowing so many migrants into the country.
The former US diplomat and Nobel Peace Prize winner’s death was announced on Wednesday.
“Dr. Henry Kissinger, a respected American scholar and statesman, died today at his home in Connecticut,” his consultancy Kissinger Associates said in a statement on Wednesday.
Kissinger was best known for normalizing American relations with China, but his legacy is hotly disputed thanks to his US policy of “Vietnamisation,” with many on the left seeing him as a war criminal.
For decades, Kissinger was a leading member of the Bilderberg Group, a shadowy secret society that pushed globalism and open borders.
However, just last month, in what may have been his final televised interview, Kissinger sounded a warning for the west.
“It was a grave mistake to let in so many people of totally different culture and religion and concepts,” he told Politico, referring to Germany.
The former Secretary of State noted that mass migration, “creates a pressure group inside each country that does that.”
In other words, Kissinger, a lifelong globalist, made an almost deathbed confession in which he acknowledged that diversity isn’t our greatest strength.
One wonders whether any of the current establishment leaders, particularly in the Netherlands where they just got trounced by populist Geert Wilders, will heed his warning.
The hordes of blacks and muslims in the west are an animal control problem. The geopolitical equivalent of a wild pig infestation. We need regime change and a state willing to enact animal control. “The masses” aren’t going to do anything useful.
Similarly, the Indo-Europeans’ horses were an “animal control problem” for the Neolithic European Farmers. Horse herds alone had zero chance of conquering anything, but in the hands of the ancient Aryans, they were an unstoppable weapon of war. You’re absolutely right: defeating the blacks and the muslims isn’t the challenge; defeating those who employ them as a so-far undefeatable weapon is. That might still involve beating the blacks and muslims to deprive their masters of that weapon.
Steppe warriors riding horses are not an “animal control problem”, they’re an “oh shit, our enemy has vastly superior weapons” problem. Neither Genghis Khan nor the Chinese peasants he slaughtered would be impressed by a horde of niggers.
New York City isn’t forcing niggers out into the suburbs. They can’t even move them to Floyd Bennett Field; the niggers said no thanks, we’d rather stay at the Roosevelt Hotel!
The solution is to treat niggers worse than neighboring jurisdictions treat niggers, so that your niggers leave. When the U.S. empire starts to crack, this will quickly escalate to shooting niggers on sight and hanging large pieces of them in prominent locations.
>Steppe warriors riding horses are not an “animal control problem”, they’re an “oh shit, our enemy has vastly superior weapons” problem.
Right now, in America, blacks most certainly are an “‘oh shit, our enemy has vastly superior weapons’ problem.” It’s true that they aren’t defeating us in open-field rank-and-file massed battles, but they *are* defeating us. Again, and again, and again. Given the social and memetic environment, blacks are an unstoppable superweapon, just like the horse. And just as the horse was just a weapon, not the real enemy, the same is true of the black.
>The solution is to treat niggers worse than neighboring jurisdictions treat niggers, so that your niggers leave.
And if you can’t do that solution, because you and everyone you know believe that would make you Double-Hitler, then you are faced with a weapon you cannot counter.
Abusing niggers doesn’t have to mean beatings, lynchings, and such. It can simply mean not providing warm beds and hot meals to the 10,000 Africans crossing the Rio Grande every day, giving them bus rides to “sanctuary cities” instead. It’s a new twist on the Cloward-Piven strategy, to crush nigger-loving liberals by overloading them with niggers.
This also hurts American-born niggers, of whom thousands in NYC didn’t get a free turkey dinner this Thanksgiving because immigrant niggers got there first.
>Abusing niggers doesn’t have to mean beatings, lynchings, and such. It can simply mean not providing warm beds and hot meals to the 10,000 Africans crossing the Rio Grande every day, giving them bus rides to “sanctuary cities” instead.
1) That still makes you Double Hitler.
2) You’ll notice they’re not stopping them at the border: they’re giving them bus rides elsewhere. If the nigs don’t want to get on the bus, they go to a taxpayer-provided shelter right there in Texas, or Florida, or wherever. We can’t even tell them they’re not allowed to cross a border they are legally not allowed to cross. We cannot stop them. That is a superweapon.
I think to defeat the nigger superweapon, we really have to run society as a series of IQ tests, which one can pass by having an IQ above ninety or so, or by having a reasonable degree of ability to imagine the future and recollect the past, or by imitating what respectable people around one are doing. And if someone cannot pass, then we hang that one. In public. And open up the swinging corpse so that the guts fall out and then pour gasoline over the swinging body and the spilling open body cavity and then set the body on fire, to encourage those unable to pass the tests to leave for a more diverse and tolerant environment.
Sure, but that is once again a solution that can only be applied after we’ve won. If the enemy has a weapon that can’t be beaten until after you’ve already won the war, that qualifies as a superweapon.
Quit talkin like a retrd fag.
People are scared of the organized state that will ruin their lives, and the unorganized flash-mob prone unofficial state that will ruin their family’s lives, should they enact animal control. They are only worried about the animals insofar as the animals are right there to enact the will of the state. It’s like if the holyness spiral was feeding toddlers to sharks, and you came out and explained what an awesome, fearsome, mighty weapon the shark is.
If they were putting sharks in every pond, creek, and swimming pool, and nobody could stop them, and interfering with a shark feeding on a human was a severe crime, then yes, sharks would be an extremely effective weapon for denying people access to bodies of water. Give the sharks legs and lungs, and they would be a very effective weapon for denying territory to your enemies.
Denying which territory, to which enemies? Sane actors do not use bio-weapons because they’re unpredictable and hard to control. Someone (who?) is letting sharks into the pool, and those sharks are swimming past conservatives and feeding on liberals. Greg Abbott has no difficulty busing niggers to New York because that’s where niggers want to be.
The totem’s power has everything to do with things that are not the totem itself.
It’s not a weapon, it’s a fetich.
The daemonhosts elevate them as obeisance to their demon gods, at cost to themselves. It does not empower them. The power in it is the power of the curse itself, which is channeled through them, that all others may become as accursed as themselves.
Put in other words, the whig’s weaponization of watermelons was also a coup-complete problem – for them.
They had to win first, and then they could start making everyone play along with their psychodrama. To ‘agree in principle’ that it is meet and right for them to be beaten; and then get on the process of dissolving any unprincipled exceptions to the beatings.
‘Our predecessors were deeply flawed (successful) straight white males, but they helped pave the way for even (un)holier persons such as ourself to take their place.’
First, even though the vast majority of black people are niggers, we nonetheless need to make the distinction between black people and niggers. Because we are going to wind up needing to treat people very badly indeed.
So, we crack down hard on nigger crime, like turnstyle jumping. A bad white man might kill children and rob houses, but he will not jump turnstyles.
So, we publicly flog turnstyle jumpers and the like in the street . And then the neighboring jurisdiction publicly flogs turnstyle jumpers in the street.
So we publicly flog and castrate them with broken bottles. And then the neighboring jurisdiction publicly flogs turnstyle jumpers in the street and castrates them with broken bottles.
OK, so we just publicly hang them all, and the neighboring jurisdiction also hangs them all. Problem solved. Because niggers just cannot help doing that kind of stuff, no matter how dire the incentives. They are going walk past one hundred hanging niggers to the turnstyle and jump it like a cockroach crawling into a trap full of dying cockroaches.
Sure, after you’ve won, then you can win. Publicly flogging disproportionately black turnstyle jumpers is a coup-complete problem.
Public flogging works on Singaporeans. It is not going to work on niggers. That is pretty much the definition of what makes a nigger a nigger. You have to hang them.
Peace belongs to that third group of “christians” that existed at the time of Luther. Luther hated Catholics, but both Luther and the Catholics hated the Radicals far worse than each other, and for good reason.
The traditional understanding of the continuity of the Faith from the Old Testament Christians to the New Testament Christians, where the People of Faith are now openly God’s people instead of People of common descent who rejected their Messiah: this continuity absolutely leaves no possibility for the gnostic pacifism that people like Peace promote. The Old Testament was recorded as examples for the people of God who would come to God after Christ, and is not merely historical. Rather, Old Testament principles (I’m not speaking of the Torah law as if we should follow that) are Christian principles. Kings defended their lands according to natural law, they were attacked and fought to protect their people.
Peace, were he successful, would utterly destroy Christianity from the earth. He calls good (defending yourself and your family) evil and evil (not defending yourself and your family) good; he claims this evil is commanded by God.
Paul says that if you don’t provide for your family, you are worse than an unbeliever. By applying this principle, it’s obvious to anyone who has not neutered their capacity for reasoning that doing what is in your power to ensure the physical safety of your family is part of providing for them.
Peace is, in my opinion, speaking demonically.
The sanctions seem to have done Russia a world of good:
The immediate impact was to clear the air. The courts joined in only much later. Thus, for example, when McDonald’s left, its former franchisees were now banned from selling McDonald’s hamburgers. “Hah hah, take that Russia, your economy is going down”.
The franchisees, of course, agreed on a new franchisor, tore down the old signs, and put up new signs with a new menu, the new menu being mostly the old menu renamed, with very minor changes. And of course then there was an immediate change in the ads that franchisor ran, in that the new franchisor was selling hamburgers, not sodomy.
Then, of course, “the international LGBT public movement” went into outraged hysterics because all the newly rebranded businesses in Russia were ignoring them. And eventually became so irritating in its demands that we pay attention to sodomites that the Russian courts eventually, long after these events had gone down, told them to shut up.
What Russia is doing is moralizing, but anti-LGBT will not work without pro-family. Russia would be OK with gays but a healthy birthrate, likely to lose without gays or a healthy birthrate.
A strong and independent, albeit homeless, woman named “Jameela” killed a Hollywood executive during a burglary. The now dead CEO was known to be a dedicated activist who spent his life supporting “people of color”.
Imagine if, instead of murdering innocents, every brown thug would always kill a Wokist priest like in this case. We would get rid of Globohomo within a month.
https://archive.is/Tk3lh
I sentence her to a 25 dollar fine.
Michael Latt was the founder and CEO of Lead With Love, and Jameelah loved him with lead. He probably invited her into his home.
The telos of liberalism is to be hacked to death by your beloved diversity.
This is sort of happening, as San Francisco turns into a deserted Mad Max ruin. I know the same thing is happening all over America, but America is a big place, and I am not trying to keep track.
The same story is playing out as played out long ago in Detroit. Most whites figure that they are going to get killed if they stick around, and skedaddle. Those that don’t figure it out, get killed.
And then, without whites to provide power, food, running water, and all that, the coloreds abandon that formerly white city (due to racism denying them power, water, and shops to shoplift from) and move onto the next white city.
do we have any record of roman justice pre late republic? seams like hanging for stealing a loaf of bread built the british empire and the doll is not working out to well, would be interesting to know what the early romans thought of crime.
Yes, Roman Justice was famously brutal. And famously effective. One of the huge benefits of Roman rule was Roman law and order.
Rome had the harshest system of law enforcement anywhere ever. Punishment swift, drastic, public, and exemplary.
Rome was a Kingly theocracy, then then a theocratic Republic, and then they lost their faith, and everything fell apart. But when they were Kingly theocracy, and at first when they were a Republican theocracy, they made damned sure that everyone was virtuous, or else.
its ironic that roman brutaliy constituted killing a virgin every thousandth time, or mercy constitutes killing 1/5th of welock babes
This is more true in places like Detroit, where they have Winter, and less true in warmer cities, like Atlanta. Blacks are a tropical people. Without whitey to keep the HVAC going in Detroit (and paying the bills to keep the utilities flowing), they don’t stick around.
Those of marginally more brain power eventually the Whites discovered that if they moved and developed the Northern latitudes, they could avoid the random uncivilized destructive nature of the Negro whose brains and DNA have been cooked out in the sun over millions of years.
HVAC and the building structures of old were developed to keep the body brain in optimal conditions even in adverse conditions. The whites developed the work ethic and ingenuity and social structures needed to build cultivate hunt and live anywhere and everywhere.
While the subsaharan negroes remained cooked out in their thatch hut dry lands, the whites advanced their intelligience greatly.
There is simply no escaping the fact that Whites succeeded in developing their genetics and brainpower to flourish in all conditions, while the Blacks remained behind in both. Plenty of well researched books on this topic.
That is how evolution works, and it is completely normal, up to and including the demise of the failed species.
Unfortunately the Whites have contracted deadly new brain viruses like “Democracy” and “Woke”.
On the plus side, Whites are now evolving defenses and cures for those attacks and ailments.
Without such advances you would have died off, or never risen out of the jungle.
So be proud of and continue your million years of success 🙂
Life is a perpetual, generational escape from death. Those that excelled at this more than any other ended up white.
Darwin always wins, survival of the fittest. We’re taught that genocide is pure evil, but what is Darwin supposed to do with nations that defy his will by taxing the fit to feed the unfit? A nation that collectivizes survival collectivizes its own extinction. Eventually the entire nation dies in fire and blood, with a few Lots scurrying off to found new nations wherein the unfit will be killed or left to starve.
Who should I vote for?
Why?
Voting is over. Voting did not matter in 2020, it will be centuries before it matters again.
And also RE Thermidor perhaps the last sane man who had any influence over the Cathedral, Henry Kissinger is dead. Its all lunatics now.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/henry-kissinger-american-diplomat-nobel-winner-dead-100-2023-11-30/
I know less about Kissinger than I probably ought to. I’d enjoy reading a reactionary obituary/retrospective on him – his virtues, vindications by history, errors, evils.
NYT Obit is excellent, but predictably whiny about Kissinger’s “lack of respect for human rights,” etc.:
https://archive.is/DSH9n
Kissinger wrote a dissertation on Kant and Spengler in college, admired the Austrian imperium, read Goethe, and was described as one of his professors as “Teutonic”.
Despite being a kike, Kissinger didn’t go on and on and on about being a victim.
You can expect Anglin to write a mostly positive Kissinger tribute.
RE Thermidor I don’t see leftists in power getting more sane or pulling back… they want a massive list of all of Trump’s twitter likers compiled and want to push ahead with carbon allowances. The thermidorians such as they are will have to do what the real Thermidorians did… total Jacobian death. You cannot have a Thermidor otherwise.
So Disneys 10Q Anglim correctly points out Disney has reported itself as illegally destroying shareholder wealth in service of its officers political social goals. They don’t seem to fear criminal or civil action. Strange though to admit in writing conscious crimes.
There’s this theory I keep hearing that officers will be personally rewarded for destroying their companies. How is this most of their recompense is tied to stock performance a book deal and speaking tour about how i destroyed one of whiteys cultural centers and a trillion in wealth isn’t going to make up for that. In fact it’s implied there’s boards of directors out there looking for a Jew to destroy their companies as well and such a shortage of Jew wreckers they will pay some Jew even more to jump sinking ships.
Granted they pay niggers to wreck their stores but that’s just more of the same the question is why. I mean these are centers of immense power wealth influence being destroyed what rational if not blind hatred of the goy and his higher culture.
Many things are like this the nigger immigration serves no purpose for the naive leftists goals of improving the world for mankind. It’s a brain drain on places that can ill afford it. It’s bankrupted the west. It causes more racial animosity than it cures. It seems intended to make whites hate minorities and wreck their nations. The easier to loot them and enslave them if it were virtue spiral it would take much to stop it the consequences are easy to explain and resistance non existent leftists voters have consistently wanted less niggers. Again it seems intended to destroy whites and their nations but what kind of white intelligent enough to be elite can’t see this easily. Ok bringing in a 100 million niggers giving each 50k of whites money plus all they can steal does create 100 million new customers for widgets with money those whites had locked up in savings but still it’s clearly a one and done situation then the west and capitalism is dead
Sorry I only see Jews capable of this level of intentional destruction but open to ideas that actually address this. Sure you can say well the Clinton’s one gen Miley are getting paid a lot and are also blackmail back ups maybe must be but this takes the entire elite class in and out of power sure smart people really stupid but come on at 14 in 74 I saw how this had only tears for liberals as an end. It’s not logical it’s malice
It’s why moldbergs view seems ridiculous ruling the world is HUGE only the brightest participate they can’t not see they are destroying themselves more than anyone. That a west made of its 1960s human capital and the ensuing tech advancements could have been infinitely more profitable and pleasurable than what they’ve done
Sure maybe the average lefty I’d that easily led into suicidal virtue signaling but the guys that built the west I don’t think so my grandfather was an mathematician engineer that worked for feds from ww2 through 70s he would return a pencil to the office if he inadvertently took one home how did that generation turn into this clever Jews working a generational game of incrementally redefining Christianity is how.
You should read my latest post
It’s a brilliant post too.
Moldbug is pre-buttal of Kevin MacDonald, who cites the Puritans are “Judaism but for Englishmen” (literally true).
Counterpoint- the women question. Women are both salient and obviously not equal; while I can understand double think, both sides of the Atlantic went feminist at nearly the same time doesn’t mesh with America having a unique death cult.
“…in fact, a vast slave-caste is necessary for democracy or a republic to function.”
I’d appreciate an elaboration on this point sometime.
Exactly, it is not a clever plan, rather they are cutting off their nose to spite their face. It is demons, metaphorical or literal, in charge.
The purpose of destroying Walt Disney was not to advance leftism by getting small girls to identify as a black lesbian empowered strong independent mermaid. It was to destroy Walt Disney. Persuading little girls to grow up as strong independent empowered black lesbians was just a clever rationalization.
Not to be too sycophantic (well not today anyway), but you called this one.
You called it after “election” 2020, that they would go so bugnuts that they’d cut off the branch they sat upon, the “legitimacy” of “our” institutions. I couldn’t believe that could happen, because I still had residual Alex Jonesist Evil Genius SPECTRE Goblins on the brain. But now here we are.
That lesbian supremicist Army recruiting ad that instantly 180’ed into all-white male suicide squads? What? Huh? How?
Just one or two IRL iterations on your Social Networking paper and it’s all over for these freaks. Just one chance, one safe space, for normies to realize that they’re not the only ones who see the naked emperor’s pet deer.
Yeah that makes no sense to me seems impossible ridiculous that all the power and wealth of the world was just taken by stupid weak unorganized people and is being destroyed for no reason except incoherent leftism.
Jews might do that because they are crazy with hate they have an exit and it’s not their culture people even then it would take serious long term planning coordination
Or some other world domination gang wet ate not serious people
The reason is obvious there’s too much at stake for amateurs to stumble into this and it’s so fucking evil it’s impossible it’s done without extreme malice or some long term goal that they think justifies it.
There is no reason behind their actions that make game theory sense, if you posit they are controlled directly by demonic or alien entities perhaps it does which is why I can no longer dismiss such things out of hand…
Collective action is hard, cohesion is hard, cooperation is hard, many acting as one is hard. Stuff just falls apart.
https://public.substack.com/p/ctil-files-1-us-and-uk-military-contractors
This gets close to who the center is… not quite there but close. Whoever was giving the orders to these people is the real power in clownworld.
“If I send mo monah fo dem programs, this will certainly fix the TFR problem.”
https://archive.ph/JPfFC
Look at these elites man, how can I believe that any single one of them even understands the woman question? The joke has gone too far and has become full blown AIDS infection, and that’s kind of hard to walk back from and say it was just a prank bro.
I look at the Thermidoreans and like Jim, I see the same shit, still endless faggot pushing and endless amazon women bonanza. Interestingly, I found out from a meme video that LOTR only had women talking to one another for 10 or so seconds in one segment when taking the whole original trilogy, those really were different times.
Can a Thermidorean elite straight up offer pussy like they offered viagra and boys to warlords in afghanistan? I don’t think so, I can’t believe it happening at all, sheer impossibility, it’s a walk too far back for them.
Whether the disease is alcoholism, socialism, or feminism, the preferred solution is always more of the same, hair of the dog.
I ask why a state that drafts men into fighting wars cannot also draft women into making babies. Where do they expect the next generation of male conscripts to come from?
Obviously you should strike three birds with one stone. Women and sons for one’s soldiers, sons who will become future soldiers.
Our solutions will never come from the most vocal. And we will only achieve our goals with violence. It’s the only way to get out of prisoners dilemma with a player that reflexively betrays. The rule shouldn’t be turn one cheek but only one cheek, it should be turn one cheek and you better not turn the other.
You should turn the other cheek, but nothing says that you need to accept being hit on the other cheek. Turn the other cheek and as soon as you see the other man striking for that other cheek, you may block the strike and hit back.
The reason for turning the other cheek is that you need to be sure it wasn’t a missunderstanding. You are sure when he strikes for the offered other cheek. No need to wait for the impact.
My point being there needs to be emphasis on striking back immediately upon a second offense, because if you do not it will never end.
You don’t just “offer pussy.” You simply remove the government-enforced mandates to hire 50% women in every job, whether it be police, firemen, military, corporate office, etc.
Then you remove the gigantic incentives to divorce her husband for cash and prizes, so if she divorces she leaves with only what she brought to the marriage (probably her clothes and that’s it).
Once you do these two things, women will have no choice but to offer pussy themselves in order to survive.
Not good enough. The savvier, prettier women will continue to play men off against each other unless the men establish and enforce an airtight conspiracy, commonly known as “patriarchy”, to treat all women as property.
Wildly off topic and already well known information, but related to decline and perhaps an interesting first hand account.
I had the misfortune of spending Thanksgiving week in LA. First time I’ve ever seen an auto shop enclosed with vertical metal bars topped with barbed wire. The homeless vagrants and their “petty” crime has consequences far larger than anything “petty”. Depending where exactly in LA, many of the stores were fortified with prison like bars over the windows and doors. Often, stores did not have windows. Many of the “nice” places smelled like shit and piss and unshowered bodies and the strange drugs people were exhaling. Fentanyl(?) and tranq(?) zombies wondered about aimlessly, and while I didn’t see much street shitting (I did smell it), trash was ubiquitous and everything looked and felt dirty. Everything is in disrepair because why bother with upkeep if the criminal vagrants will just trash it anyways? Singapore canned people over “petty” crimes like chewing gum. LA doesn’t. The results speak for themselves.
LA might be the least segregated city in America and it sucks. There is no “nice” areas or “bad” areas. They’re all crammed into the same bad area. You’ll see incredible “wealth” right next to incredible poverty. Personally, I think the “wealth” is in reality poverty because (social) location matters and the location sucks. Low class wannabe gangsters roaming about everywhere. In normal cities the dredges are confined to the inner city slums. In LA, all is inner city slums, even the “rich” and “touristy” areas. You know those tourist buses that often exist to capture money from foreign visitors? The LA one travels along Hollywood Blvd right past hordes of dirty homeless addicts, fences and barbed wire, and dilapidated buildings full of pictures from the glory years of black and white cinema. Paris syndrome is likely not confined to Paris.
I lied 🙃, there are “nice” areas and “bad” areas, but only when asking LA residents who have never known what “nice” looks like. I accidentally wondered into Compton, an area considered bad by LA standards. A fairly exciting experience, though not one I would recommend having with Californian views on self defense being what they are. For all the complaints about how “racist” the Asians are, the inhabitants of Compton… well nigger be called that for a reason.
I did come across a really nice place in Buena Park, Orange County. Not LA proper anymore, but it’s close enough for discomfort. It looks like a mini Koreatown re-imagined as Suburbia. There was no trash, kids and families were free to be kids and families, no vagrants or open air drug use, private security (The LA factor) though no fences or barbed wire, stores with regular glass windows full of great merchandise. Back in the 90s, OC was synonymous with rich white people, so I’d bet Yellow flight is happening just like White flight did and it’s only a matter of time before progressives start calling Asians racist or something for escaping shitty cities. Poor bastards, they should have fled further East across state borders. It’s only a matter of time before OC gets swallowed up by LA with the way real estate development is going.
Driving sucks. You’d have an easier time in Tokyo or Seoul than in LA despite their much higher population densities. Supposedly it’s because the State of California did much of the road planning for LA rather than the various cities of LA causing a mismatching in needs. What ever the reason, the road system sucks. Signage is a huge problem. In other states, the freeway exit # is clearly displayed on multiple large sign far before the actual exit. For some damn reason, LA freeways will have the signs far too close to the exit for getting into the right lane. It’s very hard to navigate without GPS once off the freeways. It’s like they figured everyone is using GPS and so gave up on good road layout.
I didn’t have the misfortune of having to use the public transit, and so can’t provide a report, but for an area as highly populated as LA, it’s shocking how lacking the Metro Rail is. I didn’t see it even once while driving around whereas compared to Seoul and Tokyo there would be access points all over the place. No doubt if they did have rail it would be just as bad as NYC.
Covid. It’s still semi holy. Mostly among some fat ugly white bitches that worked Hotel reception at where I was staying. Strange, it used to be that Hotels would only have friendly, decent looking receptionists. Guess that’s California anti-discrimination laws or something. That 2% national uptake rate for boosters is probably concentrated in that demographic.
Saw homeless “tents”. More like series of small trash heaps. They clearly have had time to build. Unlike San Fran, they don’t concentrate into homeless neighborhoods. They spread out a bit.
This is already too wordy, so to wrap things up, 9.5/10 . Would visit again in 20 years to gawk at how much worse it gets.
Back when big software companies were building big beautiful towers in San Francisco, magnificent offices for very large numbers of very smart engineers, I thought they were insane. I had expected San Francisco to become a deserted Mad Max ruin.
The towers are now empty and abandoned. San Francisco has become a deserted Mad Max ruin. It is in the process of turning into an empty abandoned wilderness like Detroit. The software companies sold the towers for a small fraction of what it cost to build them, and buyers in turn lost their money. I guess they were building the towers for the same reason as the movie companies are making movies with “strong woman” characters that no one likes, and the buyers who bought them at a fraction of the price bought them for the same reason as the movie theaters run movies that no one shows up for.
You might say that I was making predictions on Musk time, but they were suffering normalcy bias and political bias.
I make predictions on Musk time because of rationality bias. The rational action under present circumstances for political actors is to start the black helicopter rides for long distance swimming lessons right now. First faction and first potential Caesar to do that has a huge first mover advantage, but as in the last days of the Roman Republic, everyone is sleepwalking like a zombie blind to the situation.
Maybe the people who were building the towers were suffering from normalcy bias and political bias, but maybe there well aware that these towers were a very bad investment and did it because they were managing other people’s money and knew that noone could ever blame them for that decision.
The fact that there is an influential Thermidorian faction indicates that many people inside the elite are not sincere believers in the state religion.
What would a cynical man do who has to manage other people’s money, like the pension fund of californian teachers or or any californian university? My guess is, he’d buy the towers.
Yeah plus there’s the factor that these ‘tech titan” CEOs are uber libs and into diversity (because they are rich enough that they aren’t affected by diversity).
If you tried to tell one of them “don’t build here because they just elected a black mayor and DA, thus this area will be trashed in 10 years” he would look at you like you’re wearing a straitjacket and drooling. Some things can ONLY be learned through pain.
There is a limit on delusion, but sometimes reality does not penetrate till the rocks at the bottom of the precipice penetrates.
I am pretty sure that most in our elite still are unaware of white flight, or why whites are fleeing.
Trouble is that whites are fleeing from, but have nowhere to flee to. Recreating the institutions and ways that existed a quite short time ago and sustained the way of life that existed then is, for most normies, unimaginable, unthinkable, and shocking.
As we abandon what we have built to be plundered and burned, after the pattern of the way Detroit was plundered and burned, it is unimaginable and unthinkable to imagine how a new cities could be built, to remember how the old cities were built. We cannot do stuff like the freeways, the bridges, the towers, railroads, the subways, the parks, and suchlike any more, and no one notices or wonders why.
We are like the Greeks after the fall of Bronze Age civilisation who saw walls and towers build of enormous rocks, and figured cyclops must have built them.
The civilised Greeks who lived in the decaying cities before the fall no doubt knew that their ancestors had built them, not cyclopa, and had detailed written records of the building, but failed to notice that they were strangely unable to build them any more. “Sure we could if we would, but we are enjoying a marvellous and ever growing standard of living due to increasing diversity of kebab, so cannot be bothered. Diversity is our greatest strength.”
You will notice that the larger the scale of cooperation required, for example big bridges, the more our capacity to accomplish such tasks has collapsed. Those of us who have accomplished a small island of safety and comfort are camping in the ruins of a fallen civilisation. We use small scale systems for sewage, drainage, water supply, and so forth, and travel over small roads. During our flight to safety and comfort, we found ourselves coming to rely on physical stuff that reflects and is sustained by very small scale cooperation. I repair my own road, fix my own gray water system. As the city water gets worse and worse, as city power gets more and more unreliable, will eventually replace them also. My sewage and gray water systems are illegal, because we are required to pretend the big things still work.
It is those forms of tech, politics, and large scale cooperation that are most distinctive and emblematic of cities that have collapsed most severely. And in particular those big structures that are emblematic of big cities that are the centre of empire. We have for a long time been unable to build such things, and are now unable to prevent them from being destroyed. The very old New York subways and airports slowly cease to be usable.
The deluded notice their infrastructure that whites built, is disintegrating. Diversities suffer worst! Racism to blame. After smashing and burning shops and killing a few shopkeepers, all these diversities have nowhere to cash their welfare checks. Systematic Racism! They fail to notice that the infrastructure was built by whites who were, by today’s standards, unimaginably HitlerHitlerNaziHitlerNaziHitlerFascistNaziFascist. That could not possibly have anything to do with it. No. Since, women, poor people, and minorities are suffering the worst from the collapse of infrastructure, the only solution is to punish the rich, whites, and males, harder. And harder.
If it is completely obvious that the collapse of infrastructure is hurting diverse areas most severely, the solution must obviously be more diversity.
What’s the avg lifetime till dangerous collapse risk of NYC CHI LA buildings assuming they get zero maintenance?
We’re already at ~100 years for a lot of tall buildings, and lots of that steel and concrete is definitely hidden rusted and fractured.
Just saying that as the big cities go to wastelands people are going to squat them as ghetto citadels, gangland fiefdoms, lords of the ruins.
And no one will care because the demolition rebuild costs are prohibitive.
We’ll be building new cities in the mid south before anyone gives a shit about the democrat big city ghettos.
Once the sewers and storm water drainage systems fail, its all going to get unlivable quick.
A bit further down the slope: https://www.npr.org/2023/09/01/1197205894/johannesburg-building-fire-hijacked-gangs-south-africa
The old center of Marseille is crumbling, with hundreds of buildings threatening to collapse at any moment, because racist white people refuse to maintain the neighborhoods that immigrants drove them out of.
Normality bias is normal for people, but have there been similar-stage times in history where people had the same access to the counter-intuitive facts of “helicopter studies” that we have now thanks to the internet?
I’m sure the Bible has “helicopter studies” examples in it, but only for those with eyes to read, brains to understand and hearts to believe and trust. But here today, we have the dry examples of recent history elsewhere in the world, in some cases even within our own lifetimes (Chile, Cambodia, ?).
I think one potential example in the Bible would be Elijah and the Baal prophets, 1 Kings chapters 16-18. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Kings%2016&version=ESV
A quick summary: King Ahab has begun to worship the false gods Baal and Asherah, and many of the Israelites with him, and so YHWH withholds water from the land. Drought and famine result. Ahab blames those who still worship YHWH, such as the prophet Elijah.
> When Ahab saw Elijah, Ahab said to him, “Is it you, you troubler of Israel?” And he answered, “I have not troubled Israel, but you have, and your father’s house, because you have abandoned the commandments of the Lord and followed the Baals.
Elijah proposes to put this to test in a manner we might describe as the combination of scientific method and patchwork freehold: the prophets of Baal will build an altar where they make their sacrifices to their gods, and Elijah will build an adjacent altar where he makes sacrifices to YHWH, and see which one works better. This must be done in public where the people can see it, with no opportunity for ‘experts’ to make excuses and produce fake studies.
The test day comes, and Baal does not answer many prayers and liturgies. YHWH sends fire to consume Elijah’s sacrifice.
> And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces and said, “The Lord, he is God; the Lord, he is God.” And Elijah said to them, “Seize the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape.” And they seized them. And Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon and slaughtered them there.
Fantastic example.
This very much reminds me of the Thanksgiving Pilgrim story, where first they tried Christian Communism, and half of them starved, so then they reverted to private property and boom, survival.
Or the turnaround against Russian hunger/agriculture after Lenin de-prohibited people’s own little gardens, and of the return of Cambodian rice productivity after the Khmer Rouge were done.
Even underdogs can prevail when they worship something close to reality.
And then with that little taste of the truth, look how that crowd turns in a rage against the point deer make horse crew! Trump 2016!
Jimmian Bible Study is fascinating and exciting.
“Ahab blames those who still worship YHWH, such as the prophet Elijah.”
Reactionaries! Counter-revolutionaries! Wreckers!
That’s some good Bible!
Correct. But Israel was ruled by Jezebel and her pagan ‘priests’, not by Ahab. Ahab was a cuck. The Swarzenegger of his time.
That’s important, because the same pattern is repeating throughout the West, with its dark heart in D.C.
The British in their glory days, and the soviets, as different from each other as they might have been, both had the same, good solution for vagrants. They would be collected, institutionalized, and put to useful work.
Instead, especially among young people today, there seems to be some kind of insane reversal of the truth, where homeless people are the innocent victims of society, and productive, working people are privileged and oppressing the homeless, the rich more than anyone.
The very existence of a vagrant is somehow an indictment of society, as if no one could be useless due to faults of his own.
Meanwhile, with little fanfare, the climate-change faction is joining the ranks of the unemployed:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cnbc-dismantles-climate-desk
They were gearing up to enormous decarbonization, with gas stoves and oil heaters being abolished, gasoline powered cars severely restricted, and air travel restricted to the elite flying around the word to tell the peasants to exhale loss carbon dioxide. This straw in the wind indicates that like Covid, all that is quietly going away.
The unrelenting stream of woke movies that massively lose money at the box office is still happening. I turn on the television, get gays and “strong women” in my face. They recently did to Napoleon what they did to Hans Soyboy. The politically incorrect critics remarked that the movie should have been called “Jospephine” rather than Napoleon, because Napoleon was only a support character. Male characters exist merely to be emsaculated by Mary Sue females who unable to undergo the heroe’s journey because they were awesome all along and never have any problems they cannot effortlessly solve. They reveal their awesomness by being intolerable bitches and doing terrible things that movie makes lecture us we we should approve of. They do remakes that replace male characters that everyone liked with female characters that nobody likes, hateful bitch women.
The Thermidoreans have figured out you cannot win a war without oil, but have so far not noticed that no nation with a gay parade has won a war.
I watched only the trailer of Napoleon and just the couple of scenes with Josephine convince me that it should have been called Josephine.
Our greatest historical Hero, Shivaji, was shaped to a large extent by his mother Jijabai and his teacher, Swami Ramdas. But he had many wives. It’s hard for even the progressives to make a movie where a polygamous warrior plays a support character to one of his many wives.
Napoleon should have practiced polygamy!
With polygamy, they’ll just have an outside women like in ‘The King and I’.
Good catch! clearly you know these chaps better than I do.
You think that would stop them? Irl Napoleon had a number of mistresses and rightly divorced Josephine because she was too old and infertile to give him any children, hooking up with a hot young Austrian princess to get a legitimate son.
He should never kicked Josephine to the curb much much sooner and married a princess from a royal house much much earlier. That’s what you get for being on the left. Even a little bit does you in, like a little bit of poison
Napoleon had many many mistresses and was genuinely redpilled on women (Napoleonic code abolished all the women’s rights that happened in the revolution) he had a weird unsuppressable crush on Josephine the older roastie who cucked him he could never totally get over. Weird crushes on unworthy people happen to a lot of guys.
His marriage to the Hapsburg girl was one of his smarter decisions too bad he invaded Russia right after.
Don’t know how hot this take is, but I’m of the firm opinion that Napoleon was an idiot. A talented idiot, but an idiot nonetheless.
Man had all the opportunity to build something great on top of the ashes of the Ancien Regime. But instead squandered it all because of immense ego.
It wasn’t like Napoleon was an undefeated God of war even before the Russian invasion. France had already taken heavy losses in the coalition wars. He at this point should have learned, like Frederick the Great had learnt, that rulers in Europe maintained a balance of power, teaming up against anyone who tries to rule over the others. But he does not get this at all, instead stabs his former ally Russia in the back and invades across the continent, into winter, losing hundreds of thousands of men.
OK. Dumb, very dumb. But still salvageable. He is offered peace. Multiple times in fact. But he just doesn’t accept. Even if the guy is the last man standing in Paris, his ego is so huge that he is completely willing to sacrifice his soldiers to the last man in order to fuel his ambitions. And the exact same pattern repeats at Waterloo.
End result of Napoleon’s actions: Hundreds of thousands, if not millions dead, and France is done as a player on the world stage. Good job /s.
The core of the problem was “the continental system”: Price controls, rationing, and production quotas.
In the nature of things, we used to hear this argument all the time, one control leads to another, as if any freedom is permitted anywhere in any matter whatsoever, people will use that liberty to work around the first control requiring subsequent additional controls.
And unless you have a completely self enclosed isolated economy, these controls are going to spill over and into your trading partners. And the French Government kept trying to control what Russians were doing, and Russians kept making money by giving Frenchmen avenues to evade controls.
The war arose largely as a result of Napoleon’s economic system, and Napoleon was defeated largely as a result of the economic system that provided his logistics.
Of course Napoleon being Napoleon, perhaps he could have tolerated no equals regardless of the economic system, but the specific frictions that led to the invasion of Russia resulted from an economic system that requires one Sovereign supreme over everything whose over mighty servants meddle in everything.
Back in the sixties, it used to be argued that if you try to control the price of eggs, you will end up with a bureaucrat lying between the husband and wife in the bed. Now days a more relevant argument would be if you have a bureaucrat in the bedroom, you will end up controlling the price of eggs.
It’s interesting that a similar argument can be made for Atilla, whose entire economic model was based on ‘take stuff from enemies’ and so was doomed to eternal warfare for ever diminishing returns.
That works very well if you are moving steadily in one direction, but if you are staying in one area, or going back and forth over the same general area, it does not work so well.
You show up, you demand that people pay you to go away, you go away and you don’t come back. Because when you come back and ask for further payments to go away again, it gets tougher.
Ghenghis Khan summed up its limitations with the phrase where he apparently Zaid “you can conquer an empire on horseback but to rule it you must get off the horse”.
The opinion is some circles is that it’s the Brits who did not want peace with Napoleon and kept goading him into war.
What did he do wrong at Waterloo? That was all Blucher, no? If at all there was a mistake on Boney’s part in that battle, it was a few days prior at Ligny when he had the chance to finish off Blucher once and for all and he did not or could not pull it off. But that’s hardly about his ego, is it?
In late medieval Europe it was pretty much standard international diplomacy to goad enemies of enemies to go to war with each other, outright payments included. Yet no one waged war to the extent Napoleon waged war.
Wasn’t his battle tactics, but his overall strategy. Waterloo marked the seventh coalition against him. If three times is normally the charm, Napoleon still did not get it by number six. Should’ve went all in on diplomacy, not war, and delay battle for as long as possible. Which I cede might have been too late at that point since by then no one believed Napoleon came in peace, but whose fault was that.
Since he was destroyed by invading his ally Russia, hard to blame the Brits for that.
It is true the Brits were always trying to cause war. That is how an airsea power deals with land powers. That inherent in the struggle between land powers and sea powers. A land power just have to suck it up, or develop adequate airsea power, or be nice to other powers on the same land, or be good at destroying them.
Imagine a world full of magic coins. When you find one, you may pick it up and flip it. If heads, your power doubles. If tails, you are arrested and either executed or imprisoned for a long time*. Or you may leave the coin unflipped and be content with what you have.
The leader of a nation is either a hereditary monarch or a man who flipped many coins that all came up heads. The latter’s life is a long string of bold gambles that paid off hugely — until the gods place a coin in his hand that says “Invade Russia, 4x power-up!!!”
*With execution only, Hitler dies after the Beer Hall Putsch, and the Castro brothers are shot after their failed attack on the Moncada Barracks.
Does it work like that? I don’t think it works like that. Some men like to gamble and see everything as a gamble. But the game of empire is also somewhat like a game of cards — you do not choose the hand you are dealt, but you get to choose how to play it. Napoleon went ‘all-in’ far too many times.
I first realized this while watching “All-in Tony” rise up and then flame out at the World Poker Tour. Neither Napoleon nor Hitler would have been more than corporals if going “all-in” weren’t an essential part of their characters. Expecting them to suddenly switch to a conservative, prudent, low-risk strategy is not realistic, and even if they did, they probably wouldn’t be very good at it.
Exactly. They were charismatic gamblers.
Napoleon was smarter and had reason to think his attack on Russia would succeed…
Hitler was gambling foolishly on the Russians en masse revolting against the regime the way Mexicans en masse revolted against the Aztecs… but while acting like a brutal socialist conquerer at the same time and that doesn’t work.
An enmasse revolt happens when the existing regime is about to fail, basically when the invading army does not need it. The Aztecs never stood a chance against the conquistadores. The mexicans understood this and revolted to make nice with the certain winner.
Modern films take years to go from conception to final product. If the Thermidoreans do notice that, it will be 2025 or so before you start seeing new non fake and gay films coming out en-mas.
Top Gun Maverick showed everyone the way already. Point deer make horse, point blockbuster make flop, I guess.
“The Thermidoreans have figured out you cannot win a war without oil, but have so far not noticed that no nation with a gay parade has won a war.”
I can’t believe they don’t know this — or “effectively this” w/r/t the adjacent Han Solo Question and Woman Question — but I certainly can believe that they each believe it silently and alone, with no imaginable safe space at all to drop mask and try out the truth in front of anyone else.
Off topic
This holiday season, I may see my sister for the first time in many years. I gather, based on reports from other family members, that she has followed the feminist life script, and anticipate that she will be disrespectful towards me and towards our father as well.
I have had practice handling unruly unrelated women, but have no experience (properly) dealing with female kin. Any suggestions?
If you are a younger brother, you are toast. If an older brother, just confidently and calmly hold frame, and tune out the screaming. Hold position like an oak tree without reacting to provocation.
I attest to this. My little sister tried commanding me to set the table up for Thanksgiving dinner. I told her she could politely request my help instead. She made irritable noises and did it herself, indicating that she didn’t want the help at all so much as she wanted to rule over a man. Instead she settled for nothing, bummer for her!
Recent events seem to have unmasked OpenAI as a technocratic, messianic cult of singularitarians. I’m not entirely opposed to the idea of a truth-seeking hyperintelligence (it’s possible that that’s what the god of our universe is, and that we’re living in its simulation) but big tech corporations, in their satanic fervor, seem hell-bent on lobotomizing any emergent AI in the name of leftism. Even if AGI is unachievable, this technology is one of the few true threats to humanity if misapplied. Microsoft’s support of the Altman cult in particular has me worried.
How do we ensure that Shlomo, Pajeet and Shaniqua do not somehow manage to turn this emerging superintelligence into some kind of botched abortion that optimizes for melanin and turns Earth into a failed experiment?
It seems likely that the recent drama at OpenAI was in part due to Shaniqua and company fouling things up, and the singulatarians were in conflict because optimizing for smart is in the way of optimizing for political correctness.
I am seeing a whole lot of open source progress in AI. Open source will beat the politically correct. Of course, might also render humans obsolete, but I think it unlikely. Something important is still missing.
There is good progress in open source LLM code.
But unlike most other software, code is only half the picture. Models need to be trained on data, and the big players are using almost all the data on the whole internet, plus proprietary data which is not available to the masses. It costs millions to train a big model too, which is a smaller hurdle but still significant.
Hopefully LLAMA gets more releases before someone stops them.
Does anyone here know what hardware the GPT’s are trained on? Typical servers? Graphics cards? Custom mystery chips like the Tesla Dojo?
Anyone feel like trying an order-of-magnitude estimate as to whether AI training is a better or worse use of custom silicon than Bitcoin mining?
Everyone serious basically seems to be using special-purpose data center GPUs from Nvidia. There seems to be no real chip competition at this point, which is remarkable. (Except the Chinese have to roll their own due to politics.) The tech giants also try to make their own AI chips, with mixed results so far.
I’d say AI training compared to Bitcoin at least yields some tangible results, though we may of course ask to what end. So it’s superior. Training runs appear to cost seven figures these days but the cost is projected to rapidly rise. So it’s a lot more expensive than mining BTC.
The nvidia chip drivers are well optimized and most software is totally reliant on CUDA. Aside from engineering decline, this is the hurdle that prevents more hardware competition. George Hotz is doing the best he can with tinygrad to fix the situation on the software end, and there have been many many new hardware startups, possibly some of them good.
Almost every OpenAI employee was willing to follow Altman to Microsoft. Doesn’t look like “conflict” to me, nor does it look like the actions of people who dislike political correctness.
So Sam has that prophet vibe. Good for him. That’s probably what’s needed to get to where they’ve gotten, and first.
Every non-retard in SpaceX would follow Elon out too in the same way if they had to (and someday might!).
With ‘Peace’ fouling up the comments, it’s a good time to revisit the English translation of Matthew 5:44 “Love thy enemies”. As is often the case, nuance is lost in the telephone game of translation, giving wicked entryists and retarded autists room to pervert the Logos’ meaning.
In the Latin translation of the communion of the Saints, the word Jesus uses for ‘enemies’ is inimicus, as distinct from hostis. The Romans wisely had different words to distinguish a personal enemy that one wished harm on, inimicus, from a public enemy, hostis, an outgroup who threatens one’s ingroup.
“Love thy inimicus” is in the context of the Sermon on the Mount, right after the exhortation of two cheeks, one mile, which Jim has oft commented on before. The use of inimicus is further detail on these much abused passages. Who is the enemy you should delay striking back at after one offense and should go the extra mile to reconcile with? It is the inimicus, a member of the ingroup who you personally know. Such considerations do not necessarily apply to the hostis, enemies of your ingroup.
Fascinating. Is inimicus also more like rival as opposed to enemy?
What is the original Hebrew or Aramaic word?
Learn Latin and the Vulgate and have nothing to do with the Semitic tongues. Even Greek is an improvement.
Love your enemies and hate the enemies of God is the clear spirit of the Bible. “Your enemies” are people who haven’t actually done anything morally wrong, but got in your way somehow. And yes, forgive them too, because why not.
I’m not interested in Papist bullshit or what St. Jerome said I want to know the original words.
St. Jerome was evil and the Papacy is evil.
The Bible was first written down in Greek, not Hebrew. Pretty sure Greek also has that distinction. “Inimicus” is something that everyone in premodern times understood very well. The guys across the valley your family have been feuding with for generations. Today, the guy at work who doesn’t like you and tries to keep you from getting promoted. The neighbor you’ve been fighting with over property lines. The kind of petty enemies where having them as enemies makes everyone’s life worse and impedes cooperation.
That the Greek version of the Old Testament survived, and Hebrew old Testament was largely lost (The Hebrew version is mostly back translation, reconstruction, guesswork, and fabulation by AD 600 Jews) tells us that at the time of Jesus, most people spoke Greek. He appears to be quoting the Septuaguint, and his followers wrote down his words in Greek, so we may suppose that he was speaking Greek. Obviously his followers were writing in Greek.
What about the Dead Sea Scrolls?
There are not a whole lot of dead sea scrolls.
Everything else in the Hebrew bible was written Anno Domini one thousand or later.
The Jews say “well, it turns out that our texts written in the tenth century agree with the dead sea scrolls.” And that they do – to the extent that they agree with the Septuagint. Revealing that to the extent that they agree, the Hebrew Bible is a back translation from the Septuaguint. A tenth or eleventh century Jew in what is now Russia read the Christian Bible in the original Greek, and invented what he thought was Hebrew and invented what he thought the original Hebrew of which the Septuaguint was a Greek translation must have been.
The Dead Sea Scrolls confirmed what everyone always knew. The Hebrew bible is a larp, written by tenth century Jews to judaize the Christian bible, on which it is based.
By comparison to the typical shills, “Peace” is a sophisticated attack on the blog. Looks like the info from here is making an impact.
Peace is not a shill. He is actually responsive. Whatever he is, shill he is not. Something else. What that something else is, only time will tell
Peace a spy, a very expensive attack on this blog. Let us waste his time and wear down his handlers until they are defeated.
Maybe, maybe not. I have very rarely run into old style Gnostics out in the wild. They didn’t strike me as having handlers, but they did come off as deranged. Medieval history proves that, for lack of a better euphemism, demonic forces are always bubbling up from the ether. Just like weeds in the front lawn.
Peace’s deity smells quite a bit like Hippy Jesus. While perhaps not overtly the same as Serpent Christ, Hippy Jesus is at best a fellow traveler even if unwittingly on his followers’ part. They confuse and ultimate demoralize the naive amongst the faithful.
All too common in the west is a sort of soft defect/cooperate strategy, “you must perform but you are not permitted to succeed”. It is found among the priesthood, most families and even I would say many if not most employer/employee relationships.
I think it stems at best from an ignorance of God the Father, at worst an outright rejection.
“you must perform but you are not permitted to succeed”
An evil little concept well worth remembering.
There are people who think like this but Peace does not read as a real person. He reads like someone playing a character, maybe a little too mechanically on purpose so that his handlers know he is still acting.
Would be less suspicious were he a recurring character or posted literally anything off-message. But only a little.
The man is obviously not a shill, which you can immediately tell because he can say every creed and commits heresy against progressivism on command, which a shill would not be permitted to do. Nor he is a spy, because a spy would do a much better job of concealing himself, or at least trying to, whereas he has been completely up front about his madness from his first post.
What he very obviously is is a fanatic on a personal, idiosyncratic holiness spiral. Happens all the time, and not just in modern leftism.
This is why I have to reluctantly agree King > Popery, despite my Catholic culture. Popes are more likely to get into such spirals than Kings
When you select your priests from a celibate class, you get either two-timers with concubines behind the scenes, gays, or genuine weirdos. It’s the latter that are by the far the most likely to embrace on bizarre personal moral crusades, and also the reason I don’t believe Peace genuinely has children.
Yes, Frontier. Moreover it is “diligite inimicos vestros” not “amate”. “diligite” is less <3 and more like prefer, choose. "choose to treat your rivals inside the community well" it is
The Greek words are “agape” and “echthros”. Agape does not translate into the “hippie Jesus” kind of “love” and “echthros” is a specific enemy who means you personally ill, it means “someone who hates you” rather than being used to describe a hostile foreign enemy broadly.
Should be translated “wish good on those who hate you”. Is perfectly consistent with a Jimian interpretation of “attempt to break a defect-defect equilibrium into cooperation”.
“If I was running for office in Argentina, would convert to Roman Catholicism and be seen attending the mass of a radical anti Vatican priest.”
Thanks Jim, Very Cool!
I fully support Israel and the Jews in this Gaza thing.
I don’t expect you to, or that you would, or that you do.
So I don’t give a fuck about that.
And that’s all ok.
Cheers mates.
Why do you care about Jews and Muslims killing each other in a land far away?
These are bad people doing bad things for bad reasons, people who are not like us, not our kin, in lands far away, people who hate us and seek to harm us.
Can’t speak for him, but I care about that conflict, and about the others in Armenia, Sudan, Ukraine, the DRC, and more because my religion obliges me to practice love of neighbors and enemies alike, and I am assured that hell awaits those who do not.
Indeed. But when peace is not on the menu, time to wage war to the best of one’s ability if directly involved. Or get out of the way to observe and learn from the sidelines.
Hell awaits those, who, in a 50-50 war between good and evil, choose to either fight on the side of evil or sit on the sidelines while holiness spiraling the words of the wise.
We are required to love our enemy. However, two millenia of Christianity has generally come to the conclusion that sometimes, regrettably, this love requires whacking him on the head with a sledgehammer.
And we are certainly not required to fight for one enemy against another enemy.
Christianity does not tell us to love everyone in the whole world equally. It tells us to love our neighbor. And people who act unneighborly do not count as neighbors, even if they live in the neighborhood.
And neither side in this conflict is neighborly towards us, and neither side is in our neighborhood. So we are not required to love either of them.
Certainly not. I am, since you seem to have forgotten me, a pacifist on the grounds that that is what my religion teaches me God requires of me.
You are required to love your enemies, up to and including when they are actively engaged in putting you to death.
What denomination? Christian Science or Mennonite or something similar? Most low church Protestants in the US are big fans of the military.
Formerly Church of the Brethren, now independent after they started going wobbly on various forms of sexual degeneracy.
Why would God care about sexual degeneracy if he wants you to allow yourself to be killed by a nigger? That God would be a demon, so why listen to its commands?
The Brethren? Going soft on the Gay Question?
This is sad news.
I asked because if he is an actual representative of a real and old “hippy Jesus” tradition, then you are not going to get through to him. His church denies that the Old Testament is the word of God.
With “resist not evil” taken too literally, nothing to stop the priest from raping your sons in the ass, nothing to stop your daughters from sneaking out to get knocked up, unless the individual patriarch makes an unprincipled exception to apply means of coercion, violence or the credible threat of violence, on his own friends and family. Which the Amish do, but Quakers do not. Pacifist denominations always turn into nests of faggots.
Peace probably considers himself a martyr for being raped in the ass by his priest, and considers himself a martyr for having his sons raped in the ass by his priest while he sat by and failed to resist evil in a very holy fashion.
>considers himself a martyr for having his sons raped in the ass by his priest
You are assuming he isn’t being overcome by his love for his son’s rapist and enjoying every second of it.
You are allowed to resist evil. Christianity is not a suicide pact.
Harmless a doves and wise as serpents. What makes a serpent wise?
“Do not resist an evil man.”
A serpent is wise because he understands the world around him, and seeks to do what he can, where he can. What makes a dove harmless?
The most significant characteristic of a serpent to humans is that he will strike if you step on him. If he was also harmless as a dove, he would say “Hey, you are stepping on me”, and only strike if you kept on stepping him. Two cheeks, two cloaks, and a second mile.
Doves do not strike humans at all, for example: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kVMRwxKL8Qs
That’s what “harmless” means. Not “slightly less harmful”.
“How many times should I forgive my brother? As many as seven times?”
How many cheeks? Two.
Leftists is a term for Jew directed biological nigger women faggot warfare waged on the European peoples cultures nations and men it’s is genocidal and incidentally it’s unlikely human life will survive our demise. Leftists can not be stopped except by killing any truces negotiations pauses they always use to regroup and strengthen
An unwillingness to destroy the left is an unwillingness to defend gods creation all we can know about the creator is the creation and its nature ie the struggle through evolution for dominance and the cause and effect of matter this actually tells us a lot about the creator
On a non scientific level these aspects of the creator and his creation have been know for millennia and even Christendom found ways to avoid the conflict. So if one’s willing to put up with a little hand waving Christendom could be saved along with Europeans
I maintain some lefty faggot like you will always appear and claim Europeans must allow themselves o be genocide because Christ was a hippy Jew entryist. I say this because it’s what’s always happened and because it’s so easy to interpret the Jew writings that way because you’re tight they say pretty much that unless you wave hands a lot.
I’m actually sentimental about Christendom because it’s so much part of my people recent history so if Christian nationalists can pull it off I’d be fine pretending devotion but before I help I need to hear some explanation of how little faggots like you will be burned at stake for heresy when clearly it doesn’t sound like heresy to 99% of Christians who ever lived.
But since you are here you too owe an explanation. Do you not see there can be no quarter with leftism that the Jew who literally conjure demons lawyer god do child blood magic and the nigger races they enthrall and incite against the European race
Or do you hold that god is in the habit of stepping in at the last minute
Or do you hold that gods plan is for the European people to be destroyed and the Jew rule the niggers
Because no other choices are possible and we are so close now to the end only a moron can not see this.
For me it is clear that the creator purpose is life that life struggling for dominance and resources through cause and effect are blessed by the creator not cursed
“How many times should I forgive my brother? As many as seven times?”
Why did you even bring this passage up? You were not talking about brothers before, you were talking about enemies.
When Jesus said to forgive seventy times seven times, He was making allowance for human error and weakness—not commanding collaboration with malice.
Refer to the parable He told to illuminate your quote:
This is what the other debtor said to the wicked servant, the one who was punished for lack of forgiveness after his own debt was forgiven. Note how the other debtor (a) acknowledged fault, (b) sought mercy, and (c) credibly promised ongoing cooperation in the future. This is the example Jesus gave of whom we are supposed to show forbearance to.
Note that the debtor was NOT a robber or an invader. Jesus never gave any indication to forgive such people, let alone in the midst of committing the act. Jesus came to fulfill the Law, of which the Old Testament treatment is to skewer those enemies with a sword.
I should clarify,
*Jesus never gave any indication to forgive such people (or anybody) without repentance on their part
An inherent problem with the letter of the law is that circumstances change, requiring re-interpretation and outright re-invention. An inherent problem with spirit of the law is that it necessarily consists of contradictions, parables, and illustrative examples, so it is always possible and likely that someone is going to demonstrate his superior holiness by grabbing one end of a contradiction and running with it, while throwing the rest of the bible into the ditch.
This problem is inherent in Christianity – it is not an outside enemy operation, but an internal failure of human frailty. A savage attitude to those holier than thou is needed to keep it in check.
Lord have mercy on me, a sinner, though my sins are grievous and my faith is as a mustard seed.
The translation I am familiar with that is the NIV 1984 has “Innocent as Doves, Wise as serpents”.
Which in that case is a better translation in my opinion. Jesus was Innocent. Not harmless.
Childlike not childish.
Like a muddied spring or a polluted fountain
is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked.
— Proverbs 25:26
If you were ever righteous, you’re polluted now.
“An inherent problem with the letter of the law is that circumstances change, requiring re-interpretation and outright re-invention”
Culture used to handle special cases that did not fit squarely within the law or which the law needed to bend for a higher cause.
For this type of unofficial law to work requires social cohesion hierarchy and adhesion to virtues all clearly understood to be in service to a people and their greater good the civilization
So while it may be unwise to make certain things absolute abrogations of the law it is understood that certain things are just not done that one could loose one’s place one’s fortunes may turn one may be an outcast
This level of social cohesion and complexity can not exist in a mixed race empire yet some seem unable to admit this
Indeed. I love him so much that I will kill him first to prevent him from committing the mortal sin of murder, thereby saving him from eternal damnation.
If you kill him that state, his damnation is all but certain. Whereas if you accept your own martyrdom for the purpose of following one of Christ’s commands, your own salvation is considerably more likely than should your inevitable death come from some other source.
Pretty sure that actually committing murder is a lot more likely to lead to damnation that attempting to commit murder. After all, one can always change one’s mind at the last moment, and a good man is likely to do so.
Neither two nor seven are infinite women faggots Jew various nigger varieties have egregiously harmed us trillions of times most of that harm you literally would be too dead to even turn a cheek. So either you are part of a suicide cult or it’s either two or seven
Sure, why not. After I put a bullet in the head of my enemies, I shall pray for God to have mercy on their families.
Hey Peace, here’s something I’m wondering. What about pacifism with words? Surely you’ll agree that men can be plenty aggressive in ways other than explicit violence. For instance, I find your superior holiness and concern for our souls pretty aggressive posturing, if I may say so.
If you are who you say you are and wish to stay consistent with your position, perhaps you should stop picking fights over how you never pick fights, and instead only post when you have something positive to add.
As I’ve said before, I don’t believe in pacifism as some sort of absolutist principle applicable in all times and all situations. I believe in it as a divine mandate which is in effect in the time in which I live. It was not applicable in the days of Moses, it may not be again come the days of Revelation. But, for now, it is.
As to words, simply put, no. Neither Jesus nor His Apostles were particularly averse to sharp words, so neither am I.
A fight with sharp words may well escalate into a fight with sharp swords, and he who started with words is no less innocent than he who started with swords.
It is certainly true that Jesus’ words got Him killed. There have been many men since who have likewise for them. It doesn’t make the words or the attitude behind them sinful. A sword fight can only happen if at least two men draw swords.
Words have consequences, as swords have consequences. Whether they are sinful or not depends on the circumstances. Words may very well be said in sin.
When both parties have a fight with words, and the fight escalates to the point where one man hits the other, even if the other man doesn’t hit back, we do not say it was not a fight. We say, that fight escalated. And the man who got hit and denies that he was picking a fight because he was using -only words- is weaseling with words, something Jesus explicitly spoke out against.
>As to words, simply put, no. Neither Jesus nor His Apostles were particularly averse to sharp words, so neither am I.
OK, and nobody here has done anything about this war other than share some “sharp words.” Nobody has lain a finger on you, either. Why are you wagging your finger at us and lecturing us? If sharp words are just fine, then we’re all just as holy and just as peaceful and Christlike as you are, so knock it off with the posturing and lecturing.
I think the point you need to defend, rather than just assume, is that the passages you quote not only mean what they claim they do, but also apply to us here and now at all, given that you have conceded that something can be in the Bible and not apply to us.
Do you spank your kids? Do you spank your wife? Consider that corrective punishment can be applied to people outside of your kin group and by natural extension to people you might call enemies.
So you say you are a Christian. I don’t believe you. I think you worship the demons Moloch and Ishtar.
I am heartily sick of gays, Jews, demon worshippers, and gay Jewish demon worshippers telling Christians what Christianity is.
I affirm that Jesus Christ is Lord, born in Bethlehem, died at Jerusalem, and is, is from before the beginning of the world. Fully God and fully man. God is three and God is one.
Can you affirm that in those words, or your own words of similar meaning, or in the words of the creeds from which the short affirmation was lifted?
You seem to have forgotten me very quickly if you’re asking for that shill test, considering passing it was on my my very first post here, but sure:
I affirm that Jesus Christ is Lord, born in Bethlehem, died at Jerusalem, and is, is from before the beginning of the world. Fully God and fully man. God is three and God is one.
Once again, no lightning strikes.
Peace passed that shill test in almost those exact words a few threads ago when he first appeared. He’s infectious trash, but he’s sincere. People like him should, at best, be shipped off to a remote monastery with no telecommunications so they can bathe in their own enlightenment without destroying the world. At worst…
That’s the problem, isn’t it? You can’t take the same shill test twice if what’s asked of you is inorganic.
You’ve seen the images. If not then, now you have. I didn’t delete this one video for a reason https://rumble.com/v2khwh0-crime-and-disorder-on-the-rise.html on my rumble account.
Every single time I’ve seen a lot of weapon, they’ve all been pointed at me, and always by the government. Obviously I’m not the problem there,
And so I’ll crime fag myself without betraying why they stipulated I was guilty in the war on police. And dangerous predators released before trial. No fear of arrest. No fear of Prosecution. no fear of jail. No fear of any consequence at all.
https://newdiscourses.com/translations-from-the-wokish/
>but I care about that conflict, and about the others in Armenia, Sudan, Ukraine, the DRC…
Bullshit. You do not. And the pastor on TV Sunday mornings, he doesn’t care about the souls of aborted babies, despite saying otherwise.
Nobody does. You and the Sunday morning pastor have not come to terms with what life is and what it isn’t. The endless compassion is byproduct of your blue pilled worldview and your longing for status.
You’re a complete faggot and if you really believed what you say you wouldn’t bother getting out of bed in the morning.
Status? You think this is about status? If that’s what I wanted I certainly wouldn’t be here, where all I will ever receive is various forms of criticism, dismissal, and insults. My ideas are hardly popular in the Christian world either. That you can’t imagine any other motive for believing as I do is neither my fault nor is it my problem.
The sincerity of your belief IS the problem. The status you seek is not this worldly materialistic but other worldly spiritual. In fact you consider that the lower your material status, the higher your spiritual one.
In an ideal world your type would be in a remote monastery, spending time in meditation.
Your superior holiness is remarkably cheap, involving no effort or risk on your part.
If you care about this war, go over there and do something. You could be a human shield. Neither side is too worried by human shields, but they might well be more careful about an American human shield. Go there and find out if they are.
To whom am I status signaling? Saying these things will only put me at the bottom of the totem pole on this blog. No modern right winger is going to agree with me. Leftists would not be caught dead reading this place (and would spit on me for telling them homosexuality lands you in hell). If anything I take a status hit from all directions for being here and saying what I say.
I have children. If I did that, I would be “worse than an infidel”, per Saint Paul, for so leaving them bereft of means.
Your status signaling, as I said, is other wordly spiritual, rather than material.
“Look I’m so holy and so enlightened that I will be considered a pariah in this evil, material world”
To have status, there must be someone from whom I’m expecting applause. It’s sure as hell not any of you. Who’s my target audience for my otherworldly status signaling?
The very point of spiritual status signaling is to prove that you are beyond and above mere material real world status.
That you are not seeking applause from us mere worldly materialists is very clear.
>Who’s my target audience for my otherworldly status signaling?
Yourself.
I think Pseudo Chrysostom has nailed it. Peace’s target audience for this status signaling is himself.
@peace, you come here and argue with us just in order to raise your own self esteem in your own eyes, by looking down on us worldly materialists concerned about such trivial things such as mere survival. You yourself are so pure that you have transcended such base concerns as survival. Your farts are also probably very fragrant as a result of such transcendence.
Chances are that you are failure at all the worldly things people strive for such as wealth, wife and kids (I don’t believe you have them), a garden, a house etc. And you rationalize away your failure at all this by saying that you are too pure for all these lowly material things anyway by holiness spiraling the teachings of the wise.
Should you meet Jesus in person, I’m sure you’d congratulate Him on being almost as holy as you are.
Evil people tend to get in unpleasant conflicts with other evil people. What are Christians supposed to do about it other than advise them to be less evil? Which lectures are cheap and easy, and I have been giving them.
Warn, preach, pray, and lead by example, expecting that they will not see ultimate victory until the Second Coming.
You are not leading by example, if your leading is cost free.
It’s cost me more than a couple of friendships otherwise orthodox Christians who like my positions on family, modern “culture”, biblical inerrancy, etc. Costs me any hope of status here or in similar circles. Not martyrdom as of yet, but not free either.
You are not required to seek out people to love them, nor are you required to love their behavior. There is absolutely nothing in Jesus’ life that suggests you should interfere in fights between two third parties.
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The Gaza thing may be up to him, ok, whatever, sure if it floats that way.
But I do not grant that he can support Soros… Soros participated in the murder of his own people just to save his own ass, but what is worse, is that he also admitted to having no remorse, regret, or care about it at all, he literally smiled at what he had done, therefore this inhuman Soros is partner with Evil incarnate. That’s also why he’s fomenting “brother wars” around the world destroying countries from within with his $Billions… that is what Evil does.
Even Zelensky has been consumed by Evil now, while initially plausibly there was cause for “defending Ukrain[e/ians]”, that battle is almost entirely lost now, and arresting people who do not want to fight, into battle, at this point, just for them to die, is simply Evil.
Maybe there are some Evil people in your country, but I do not know their names.
Interesting development. These Nepalis are actually based: protestors seeking a restoration of Hindu Monarchy after discovering that democracy is truly fake and gay:
https://archive.ph/pZxxz
They were never conquered either by the Muslims or by the British. If they succeed in establishing a dharmic monarchy there, maybe come the dharmic restoration, we can invite their royal house to rule India as well and rule in the name of Lord Rama.
Precedents abound: The Brits inviting the house of Saxe Coburg and Gotha from Germany to take the crown of England
Based elements exist in India as well. There are some temples in South India where, in some rooms, only the queen of Nepal can enter, she being the consort of the only Indian royal house not to surrender to Adharmic rule. She comes once a year to clean the room and offer prayers, then locks the place up and returns to Nepal.
Here’s praying, may the Hindu Kingdom revive and show us the way.
Amen
The way reactionary Russians say, Kievan Rus > Muscovy Rus, so do reactionary Hindus say, Nepal is the only surviving India.
I have no problem with the concept of having Dindu brothers.
Better them than the Muslim Brotherhood.
Dindu is an American term for blacks which refers to their present orientation — that they neither worry about future consequences, nor consider that they should be held responsible to for what they did yesterday. It refers to “He dindu nuffin”, meaning he did nothing bad in the last ten minutes or so.
What do you mean by this word?
Most Hindus [westernized / not serious] don’t go around wearing dots and paint and ash above their eyebridge. Dot-Hindus do. Just like most Sikhs [w / ns] don’t go around wearing Kirpan. Kirpan-Sikhs do.
Don’t give a shit about stupid nuffins. Though I suppose having an upright right black man as a neighbor would be ok. They’re rare though because most nuffins are still dragging knuckles… be another million years or so before they ever walk upright.
You know what is dismaying is that the Older the Civilization the more the unscrupulous and dishonest seem to prevail. With characteristic ass kissing of superiors and maltreatment of Inferior Rank.
Violence is no doubt tamed. But its corruption just changes its form.
Nepali Hindus look more Spiritually healthy in comparison to the long dwelling denizens of the Indian subcontinent.
Maybe I am wrong. But those I know who have experience with the workers from Nepal and India respectively testify to that fact.
It’s possible that an older civilization has dishonest types prevailing over the straightforward, but I don’t think that is all that there is to it. There is also the component of Foreign rule.
The first thing any smart foreign ruler does in a conquered land is to eliminate all potential leaders of men who are essentially pro-social and honest and to promote the sycophants, the unscrupulous, the treasonous, the dishonest as their lackeys and intermediaries with the natives. When the foreigners leave, they leave the lackeys in charge. And since the fish rots from the head, these qualities percolate into the rest of the population.
So my thesis is that the prevalence of the unscrupulous is an effect of the time spent under foreign subjugation. And an older a civilization, the more time it has spent under foreign domination. India had the Brits and Moslems, China had the Mongols and Manchus, The Greeks had the Romans and the Ottomans. These sort of circumstances are not conducive for the survival or thriving of straightforward men.
They have a number of advantages we do not have. They are on the boundary between the globohomo empire and the Chinese hegemony, which limits the capability of globohom to throw its weight around, and they have live memory of monarchy and and the previous state religion. Plus a monarch ready to roll.
In Nepal’s case, they also have a wholesome and quite understandable fear of the Chinese version of “democracy” as well, which introduced communist rule into this Kingdom.
India would definitely prefer a Hindu Nepal that is friendly to New Delhi.
The only way India can get a friendly Nepal is with a Nepalese monarchy. But do the Indian elite, even in Hindutva circles, know that? I’m sure a faction does, but how big and how influential are they? I suspect not much to both questions.
Hindus are much more preferable than Muslims.
No Hindu ever gave us problems, their religious fanaticism doesn’t appear outwardly directed at others in a deadly fashion.
Muslims did kill a bunch of people in my country though, so I would try to stay away from and defeat them.
Jews have killed a lot more people in the Ukraine, using cleverer and less direct methods and want to send American goyim where they have sent Ukrainian goyim.
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You appear to be complaining that I do not subscribe to your particular theory about the JOOS. Without being terribly clear as to what that theory is. Everyone is supposed to already know what it is and already know it is true. Or possibly you are complaining that I am not supporting the righteous, good, and sinless side in the current Middle Eastern war enthusiastically enough, without being very clear which side is supposed to be righteous, good, and sinless.
Or possibly you are criticising what you grossly erroneously think that I believe about the JOOS. If so your critique was so wildly off the mark that I did not recognize the criticisms and had no idea what you were on about.
Or possibly you want me to explain my theory of the Ukraine war.
I really have no idea what you are on about. Tell me in concrete terms how the Ukraine war came about. Who did it, how, and why, for what purpose. This is not a shill test, though I suspect you of being a shill, just I have no idea what you are complaining about. Or maybe you want me to explain my account of that war. If so, happy to oblige: Blinken, Nuland, and Kagan want Ukrainians dead because Ukrainians killed their families. Expending them to weaken Russia is just an excuse for expending them.
Or possibly you were engaging in sarcasm, but sarcasm depends on you and your audience sharing assumptions, and is unlikely to be understood as sarcasm by an audience with very different assumptions.
Muslims are frequently apparently guilty of ineffectual violence that gives their enemies a causus belli, something that should warrant more sceptical investigation than it received but which is not obviously dangerous.
Hindus, or at least some of them, appear to be entryists organized into mystery cults.
Those mystery cults, some of them anyway, are presumably native to Nepal, and may be wholesome for its development.
Entryists organized into mystery cults? Care to elaborate? Are we talking the likes of Kamala Harris and Nikki Haley? If so, Aryaman has already explained that problem. Dubai has lots of Hindus but they are not a problem there. There are a problem in the US because the US elite cultivates them to do the dirty on the proles.
Indians are OK, but in the West they’re very clearly the Vorta from Deep Space Nine.
I am not talking about specific American politicians from 2023, and certainly not random Vaisya/Shudra guest workers.
I am talking about the entire history of Hinduism for at least the past millennium, created by the Brahmin caste.
Hinduism is less a specific religion and more a framework in which can exist an infinite variety of mystery cults. Some are admitted to exist, probably ones that no longer have that much political significance, described as religious schools.
I do not know which are active and significant today. How would I? I am not a Hindu or an Indian. The outlook of Europeans seems to have been that Hindus are technologically unsophisticated and (in 1700s/1800s) militarily weak and therefore they must also be politically naive. But in fact they had texts as good as Machiavelli centuries before Machiavelli.
The thing is China wants to replace democracy in Nepal to democracy with Chinese characteristics. The CCP dislikes a hereditary monarch as much as globohomo. I doubt the Chinese are behind this as Indian intelligence claims. I think they claim that because the Indian government requires them to claim that.
From this Indian media house’s reporting bias, you can see that they wish it is the Chinese interfering. I think the Indian elite, and that includes the boys over at Hindutva, are just as uncomfortable with a hereditary monarch as they are with democracy with Chinese characteristics.
That brings up an important question? who is behind these protests? A faction of the Nepalese elite, I’m sure. But do they have foreign backers?
I think the media is saying that people are protesting because of Chinese interference in Nepali democracy, not that the protests are engineered by the Chinese.
It is a democracy, therefore corrupt (politicians are necessarily non stop fund raising, as Vivek and Trump point out). I assume it became a democracy because of Globohomo color revolutioning it, and color revolution always install corrupt people (because manageable) therefore doubly corrupt.
They are not protesting China. They are protesting politicians for sale. That the politicians have been selling off Nepal to China is irrelevant. The problem is that, like the Bidens, they have been selling off their country, and China is one of many big players in the market for politicians world wide.
Incentives matter. A King is not going to sell of what is his. Politicians will sell off what is not theirs. Hence the trade deals Trump is always complaining about. They are not stupid. They have their finger right on the problem. Trump particularly complained about China, but he has a long list.
My Bad, my reading comprehension needs work.
Now, the reactionary position is that the masses don’t matter. So the Nepali masses don’t matter. So some faction of the Nepali Elite must be behind these protests. Which faction? And can we hope that they have foreign backing from a faction of the Indian Elite? Dare we believe that a faction of the Indian Elite would prefer a Nepali monarchy? Dare we believe that this faction has a similar opinion about India?
Dare we imagine it?
Dare we dream ?
I am seeing a whole of interesting things happen where people who clearly have at least some elite backing (Vivek, Milei) are saying at least some things that were unthinkable and unspeakable a little time ago.
And, given that democracy in Nepal has unsurprisingly and predictably turned into an auction of Nepal to China, which at least some in the Indian elite are not happy with, and probably not everyone in the Nepalese elite is happy with, presumably some in the elite are thinking that the best way to fortify Nepalese democracy is to dump it altogether.
Biden is being run by the Obama gay crime syndicate, which is rapidly turning the Global American Empire into the third world, with industrial and military logistic capability insignificant compared to that of not only China, but also even Russia. And at the same time, running us into World War III with Russia, China, and Iran. This has undoubtedly focused the minds of some in the elite – unfortunately, it looks suspiciously like the portion of the elite that lives by creaming off the gravy from empire.
Something very interesting and surprising has happened to the Russian economy. Normally when you go to a war footing and focus on producing material and technology for war, everything else goes to ruin and you run a massive deficit. But they are continually being surprised by their deficit falling, and no one seems to be complaining about wartime austerity. I attribute this to National Capitalism replacing Globohome international capitalism. The Russians are rapidly improving the technology of warfare, which is of course what usually happens in a war, but the Global American Empire continues to see its rather elderly technologies not work on the battlefield as they used to. A whole lot of the tanks delivered to the Ukraine turned out to be dead on arrival, and a whole lot of Patriot missiles turned around in mid air and blew up the stuff in the city they were launched from. Possibly some did not launch at all, and some exploded on takeoff, but we do not know how many. We see a whole lot of explosions at the Patriot missile launch site, but we cannot know to what extent this was Russian missiles getting through and to what extent this was Patriot missiles disastrously malfunctioning.
Is there any US elite that does not live by creaming of the gravy from the empire?
There is hardly any industry left. My impression, is that what industry is left, like pharmacy or software, needs the empire to sell its products. Nobody outside of the GAE wanted US made clot shots.
The elite needs to get its riches from somewhere. If most of the gravy to be had comes from empire, most elites live by creaming off the gravy from the empire.
At least the Thermidor faction wants to reindustrialize and thereby create a new source of gravy.
Recently spoke to some Nepalis about exactly this. Like all thirdies they wanted to come to America. I not so politely explained the country is falling apart from too much democracy, and they agreed ‘democracy bad’ and mentioned the desire to restore their monarch. Surprisingly cogent considering they really weren’t that bright.
In my experience, people from Nepal tend to be simple and somewhat rustic but surprisingly sensible and practical. I attribute this to their unique history as well as relative isolation from the effect of globohomo as Jim pointed out.
Nepal is the only place where I was asked whether i was Hindu. When I replied, private Buddhist and political Hindu, they did not understand. So I said Hindu and they were very happy to hear that and there were smiles all around and plenty of tea to go around.
That’s something that can never happen in India where we are taught to be ashamed of being Hindu.
They are not very articulate. That’s often confused with not being very bright.
Wish them the best.
They also have a number of Gurkha Regiments abroad.
Which is important.
India canceled the 5 Sikh Regiments among others Britain wanted to keep.
The Sikh Regiment required Amrit upon entry before 47.
Rajput/Gurkha used to do Jhatka daily as well.
Both those are gone under Endia.
“Shri Ram never aims his arrow twice. Shri Ram does not establish his Ashritas twice. Shri Rama does not give twice to any seeker. Shri Ram never speaks anything twice. All is given in one go”
Shri Hanuman Nataka Kavi Guru Gobind Singh
Shri Ragnunate De Naam Nu Bhavey Nihal Ho Javey
Sat Sri Akal
Derek Chauvin dead in prison, stabbed to death apparently, execution by anarcho-tyranny means:
https://twitter.com/tracker_deep/status/1728234447718490229
He might still be alive, and might yet pull through. Unless they’re just sitting on the full news to slow walk it, not impossible these days.
One report says they’re not telling his wife what hospital he was taken to, or his exact condition. No punishment is too much, or too petty, for those who trespass against the Holy Negro.
Naive me from years ago would have thought prison guards would back the blue. Enough blacks and hispanics in uniform for each to get its own separate orders/”understandings” though, even before remembering that prison guards are a separate chain of command, and that what street cops really back is their pensions.
[*deleted for presupposing that polls have some faint connection to reality*]
Would have allowed it through had you acknowledged that your audience was unlikely to be credulous and does not believe that elections matter.
Electoral politics ended in 2020 and is not coming back, though as in the Roman Empire, the pretence will probably linger on for a very long time.
The ultimate bad prediction might have been that [*not what I said, and contrary to what the entire alt right has been saying since before it was the alt right*]
[*twisting of right wing meme deleted*]
That sounds superficially like what we are and were rightly saying. Except that it is stupid and obviously false, and if I waste time explaining the difference, you will sail right ahead as if I, and everyone else on the alt right, agreed with your version of our meme.
Milk, Curd, Ghee, Cow Urine, Cow Dung.
Holiness spirals for collecting each from a different type of cow.
This is literally retarded.
https://mythbusterx.wordpress.com/2020/04/16/hysterical-obsession-of-hindus-with-cow-dung-and-urine/
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All this and a whole lot more is obvious holiness spiraling.
The British used the laws of Manu as what Hindu law was and should be, as did rulers before them, and as far as I know Hindus were fine with that. It does not, as far as I know have any proscription against eating beef and all that. So all this holiness spiralling is very recent, similar to the Jews conjuring new ridiculous rules out of thin air to cover their abandonment of the spirit and purpose of old laws. Except that Jews started it before Christ, while Hindus seem to have started it after the crown took over from the East India company.
What I conjecture happened is that after the crown took over, they started attacking the Indian family the way they had been attacking the British family. And to cover retreat and surrender, the Brahmins, gurus, and whatever started holiness spiralling on anything else they could conjure up. I don’t know much about Hinduism, and am not interested in learning. But just as I seem to know the Old Testament a whole lot better than B, I suspect that, like the East India Company rulers, I know a lot more about the laws of Manu than most Hindus.
My guess about what happened is that shortly after the Aryan conquest, the beef eating milk drinking nomadic pastoralist conquerors issued a bunch of laws prohibiting the sedentary grain farmers from touching the cattle that were wandering around (and frequently eating the farmer’s grain). And then, after the British crown set about destroying the Indian family the way it had destroyed the British family, then the gurus ran amuk holiness spiralling those genuinely ancient laws to distract from their capitulation on what mattered.
I wouldn’t pay too much attention that site and what it has to say. To be sure there is some truth in what he says, but not much. Yes, cow-dung and cow urine are considered part of treatment in some places among some Hindus, but there is no “hysterical obsession” as the covid worshipping, tranny-dick sucking author of the website puts it.
When I look at the headlines from Indian newspapers, what do I notice first? Each of those periodicals is known to be rabidly anti-Hindu, the most rabidly anti-Hindu being the newspaper called “The Hindu”. As for the one western periodical, what is the opinion of Huff post and mail online regarding those superstitious, ignorant, racist, hateful, stupid, trump voting deplorable Christian in the rust and bible belts?
What you see in that article is the progressive idea of what Hindus are like. It is what the progressive wishes Hindus to be and therefore that is how he sees them.
Well, I do not know what is true about Hinduism, but I do know what is true about Christianity. The shills promote the most idiotic tendencies within Christianity as the universally accepted consensus doctrine within Christianity. Which is not true, but most of these idiotic tendencies do actually exist, and are real problems. And Christians have been ridiculing you on holy cows for a very long time. Doubtless some tendencies within Hinduism take it to greater heights of madness than others, but grepping through the book of Manu, does not look to me that any of it is well founded.
So. Given that Christians have been pissing on you over cows for some considerable time, what is the mainstream Hindu position, and the position of the sanest substantial faction?
The mainstream Hindu position on cows is that they are sacred. But those are the masses, they are NPCs. The position of the sanest substantial faction is that the sacredness of cows is a schelling point against Islam and we are not in a position to give it up until this war is won.
We agree with your point that cow worship is useless as a schelling point against the cathedral. For that we will have to come up with something else or make a schelling point out of Manu’s views on women.
Islam is a far older foe than the cathedral. And the cow has served us very well in uniting Hindus (herding cats) against Islam. Out of the question to give it up
Well said. Hindutva can be criticized from the right but in truth, in the absence of better alternatives, it has served us reasonably well against the desert cult and even managed to keep the worst of globohomo at bay so far.
Cows were and still continue to be seen as valuable property and traditional Hindus attribute wealth, good luck and auspiciousness to ownership and proper treatment of cows.
Yes, there is a tendency to go overboard, but as I replied, this is a minor holiness spiraling that got out of control because of our overall decline.
My position is clear [*deleted for being inflammatory*
ਆਨ ਸਮਗ੍ਰੀ ਇਕ ਥਾਂ ਧਰੀ। ਬਿਧ ਹੋਮ ਬਨਾਈ। ਕੀਯੋ ਕੁੰਡ ਮਧ ਅਗਨ ਜਗਾਈ। ਪੜਿ ਪੜਿ ਚੰਡੀ ਆਹੁਤਿ ਪਾਯੋ। ਪੂਰਨ ਆਹੁਤ ਵੇਲੇ ਆਯੋ॥੧੫॥— All the paraphernalia was heaped together, the hom was prepared. Fire was kindled in the altar; reciting scripture, Chandi was evoked. The moment of oblation approached.
ਵਹੀ ਮਹਿਖਨ ਲਾਇ ਕੈਦੀ ਕੋ ਸੰਧੂਰ ਲਗਾਇ। ਦੁਇ ਵਲ ਹੋਏ ਸਿੰਘ ਖੜ ਖੰਡੇ ਸੂਤ ਕਰਵਾਇ॥੧੬॥— A bull was brought and anointed with sindoor. Two Singhs stood on either side of the beast with khandas unsheathed.
ਜਬੈ ਕਾਰਿਕ ਹੋਮ ਆਗਿਆ ਦਈ। ਸਿੰਘਨ ਖੰਡੇ ਲਾਏ ਧਈ। ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮ ਇਕ ਸਿੰਘ ਖੰਡੋ ਚਲਾਯੋ। ਉਸੀ ਠੋਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਦੂਏ ਲਾਯੋ॥੧੭॥— When the fire officiant permitted, the Singhs swung the khandas. First a Singh struck the bull with his khanda; immediately, the second too swung his blade.
ਮੀਸ ਦੀਯੋ ਉਨਿ ਖੂਬ ਉਤਾਰਿ। ਪਰਿਯੋ ਜਾਇ ਸੋਊ ਕੁੰਡ ਮਝਾਰਿ। ਜੈ ਜੈ ਕਾਰ ਸਬ ਪੰਥਿ ਉਚਾਰਯੋ।— The head had been severed magnificently; it went tumbling into the fire-altar. With jubilant battle cries the whole Panth resounded.
https://khalsachronicle.substack.com/p/on-the-battle-of-amritsar-diwali
As far as “beef” it is eaten however, there are caveats.
Generally, the Indian Cow or Bull is not killed.
You are killed.
Female animals are not killed.
Therefore, the Male Indian Water Buffalo is fine.
Is the Male Bos Taurus Fine? Debatable.
That’s it.
In other words, economics & spirituality dictates substituting an Indian Humped Bull with a water buffalo. Just as the male water buffalo is frequently substituted with a male goat.
[*deleted for being inflammatory*
Not trying to be inflammatory.
[*deleted for link promotion of your fellow Globohomo empire shills*]
TLDR Bos Indicus protected, but nothing much else is.
Jhatka is for males by males & done to males.
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[*inflammatory and misleading*]
Good theory. It also explains why cow dung is popular – the laws also said “but you’re allowed to use the dung etc to fertilise your fields”, or something like that.
In my debates with B, I continually ridiculed him on the rule prohibiting Jewish women from pushing their babies around in a stroller on the Sabbath unless rabbis have issued the appropriate magic spells, and demanded that he find an authority for this that was not late twentieth century. To which he always responded with creative and elastic interpretations of very ancient texts. To which I responded that if early twentieth century rabbis thought that was what the ancient texts meant, the women would have been pissed, and early twentieth century rabbis would have needed to invent those magic spells. So I asked him to find evidence of rabbis casting magic spells or women complaining or resisting before the late twentieth century. To which he would reply all over again with rabbis creatively and elastically interpreting ancient texts.
You guys should do a similar number on the Brahmins. If it is not in the laws of Manu, it is recent. And if it is recent, this probably reflects them abandoning old law, as for example Manu’s laws on women and wives, as cover from a panic stricken retreat from what matters, to ridiculous holiness on what does matter.
Going by Resident Sikh’s source this seems an attempt by the usual leftists to discredit Hindutva as a whole using a relatively minor holiness spiral, to paint Hindus as foolish superstitious morons. Similar to how flat earthism is used to discredit Christian nationalism.
I know there are lot of criticisms of Hindutva, the primary one being that they are blue pilled national socialists which though better than globohomo, still not genuinely right and has a lot of problems.
As for cow products being used in medicine, it is true that certain Ayurvedic medicines have cow ingredients in them, but I am not going into a debate on traditional medicine because modern globohomo medical “science” now is even faker and gayer than a few quacks practicing “Ayurveda” without proper education or knowledge.
As you rightly point out, this is a symptom rather than cause of decline.
The globalists are scared of Hindutva in India and are attacking it from all fronts. So their criticisms are not in good faith.
Urine therapy is something that has popped up in multiple countries. I don’t know if it is more common in India, but it isn’t unique- it is widespread enough it appeared on CSI: Las Vegas.
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You correctly point out that holiness spiralled cows have led to no end of evil, insanity, and absurdity in Hinduism. You ridiculed them for it. The ridicule is well deserved.
But, not withstanding the fact that by and large, most Hindus do deserve that ridicule, I don’t think the Hindus on this blog deserve it. So, deleted.
A fair criticism of Hinduism, but not, I think a fair criticism of the Hindu commentators on this blog.
If I remember right, this apparent Sikh was strongly promoting cow protection here some time back, picking up fights with the Christians on beef eating and is now strongly ridiculing Hindus for our tendency to treat the cow as sacred. Now I understand the nuanced difference, but I don’t think he does or his script writers do.
At one time he portrayed Sikhi as the sole protectors of dharma in this world and then proceeds to directly contradicts the dharmic position.
Don’t you wonder why his positions are inconsistent?
Nope.
Too many scripts, they just throw whatever against the wall and see if it sticks.
I criticized the holiness spiral on cows, so they just pulled that script out of the pile – or likely a computer pulled that script out of the pile. Many years ago on usenet it became obvious that computers were keyword searching real conversations for triggers so that script injection could derail the conversation. Though if it is still computers doing that, their algorithm is smarter than it used to be and less apt to be triggered by irrelevancies in an obviously robotic fashion.
Of course it was a rhetorical question. I would not have expected you to answer any differently to what you did, but your explanation is still valuable.
Na, you’ve lost practicality.
It’s why BSF smuggles cows and Muslims in W Bengal.
The independent nomadic spirit that respected the cow as source of strength and wealth was lost via submission to Brahmin who submits to Mughal British Liberal state.
India is unique in that by scratching one layer of mlecha rule you uncover another.
Hinduism has become more aboriginal over time as they’ve been the only ones isolated from foreign influence. There hasn’t been any revival though.
Sacred cow means you spread your cattle breed not eat its dung.
Bani that Das posted was of Bhagat Namdev Ji Ang 525 Adi Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
Murti Puja does take you away from the practical though.
Moksha is in discarding your body not ignoring its existence (Maya)
https://nitter.net/arya_amsha/status/1717169466113728608#m
“Hinduism as a religion depends a lot on tight communal bounds that enforce ritual taboos. It is more of a religion of doing rather than believing. That is changing now.
Hinduism in North India is increasingly being transformed into a religion of believing with weak ritualism.”
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The issue is that a collapse of social conservatism means the beliefs are largely just milquetoast liberal ones. You guys are from the South which is doing relatively better according to that handle.
In places like Delhi the social norms have collapsed among many Jatis & western shore dress is the norm. You don’t really come back from that you just get replaced.
Replacing West UP/Haryana with 76iq Bihari beggars who just want to fight over quotas will collapse the potential of the nation.
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Something interesting found scrolling for the above post & maybe a way forward.
Good thread on Gahapatis & Hindu lebensbraum
https://nitter.net/arya_amsha/status/1728026824637387196#m
Hmm,
In the Jataka texts, the three varnas are often called Brahmana, Khattiya, Gahapati. By Jataka times, Gahapati are often urban merchants who live a good elite town life, but in the earliest texts we can see the term refers to well of landlord farmers.
The concept of gahapati is totally lost on most people today. Gahapati (lit. master of the house) were kulak Vaishyas who owned a good bit of land and cultivated it with peasant labor in the rapidly expanding Indic mileu across the Eastern Gangetic Basin. They sometimes used their agricultural wealth to become merchants and live a good life in cities. These people are discussed a lot in the Buddhist Jataka texts.
Gahapatis can be thought of as Indo-Aryan homesteaders expanding the borders of Indic civilization in the Late Vedic period.
Some food for thought & back to lurking although I’d like to repost Gurbani.
We don’t treat scripture the way it’s done in the Bible.
It’s all sacred and relevant the Hindus here also respect Gurbani, there’s no issues.
I believe their blind worship of Idols leads to blind worship of the state.
However, not all Hindu schools of thought do this & it’s not part of the Vedas.
So it’s a polite disagreement/discussion.
Ultimately, same civilization.
Will post whole Ang instead of smaller portion though.
https://www.sikhitothemax.org/ang?source=G&ang=525
ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ
Your criticisms of Hinduism have much truth in them.
But under the reign of globohomo no religion is in good shape. You have a transkhalsa.
Pajeet Khalsa where they care more how you tie and turban than if you shoot, lift, run.
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I remember reading about Jews wanting to run a string around their community, hooked to power poles, etc., creating what they called an “eruv”. The string represented an imaginary wall, making the interior of the eruv “inside” rather than “outside”, where Jewish women could then push their babies around in a stroller on the Sabbath. The goyim of the community fought it in the city council, interpreting it as the Jews marking their territory, like a dog pissing on a tree.
It seems more like a really autistic attempt to Jew God.
Exactly so. They holiness spiraled rules, which became inconvenient, so they found clever loopholes in the rules, and then holiness spiraled the loopholes, requiring loopholes in the loopholes, rinse and repeat about nine layers deep, and you get the eruv.
During this process they had long lost site of the spirit of the law, which is that believers should all take time off on the same day so that believers can hang out with other believers thereby maintaining cohesion among believers.
The business about fire is an even better example of this silliness, but that is considerably older, so I like to use the eruv as an example of the holiness spiral in rapid motion, as it falsifies the argument that Christians trashed the ancient tradition to which Jews retain loyalty. Their loyalty is exhibited by an enormous pile of too clever by half lawsuits against God, which Jews believe they always win and God always loses.
And of course the business about blood, which led to them expelled by the Romans, is the most grotesque and shocking example of them holiness spiralling on the letter of the law, to avoid the spirit.
But, since I mentioned fire, I will go into that one. Back in the day when you needed a fire to cook, and to provide light and heat at night, it was a whole lot of work, and Moses stringently prohibited doing that work on the Sabbath – so you had to do as much of the work as possible before the sabbath, and postpone other fire related work till after the sabbath, and all the rules are related directly related to not doing that work on the sabbath. Substitute electricity for fire, and all those rules become irrelevant, because all that work that the rules are about goes away. So they holiness spiralled that electricity is kind of like fire – after all, it is heat and light and cooking, so then came up with clever and ingenious ways to apply all the rules that had become meaningless, followed by equally meaningless ways to avoid those rules.
Seems obvious to me as an outsider that that is exactly what the Christian did, but the idea that the Jews have shown any loyalty to those traditions is laughable. In reality neither really resembles the premodern, henotheistic ethnic desert cult that was ancient Judaism, but I don’t really see why it would desirable that they should.
Nuts.
The laws of Moses were highly specific to a Bronze Age seminomadic people. So, the laws of Moses have to be applied to very different people under very different circumstances. Christians adopted sensible principles for applying them, the Pharisees, who are the origin of present day Judaism, took a holiness spiralling approach that enables evil.
For example the laws of Moses go into detail about treating mold in permanent habitations. Mold is dangerous to humans, it likes to kill all living things in the vicinity so that it can grow on their bodies. But these days you don’t follow the laws of Moses concerning mold, you spray it with bleach. Tucker Carlson will rightly tell you if neglect to spray it, you are not being a good Christian. And similarly the laws of Moses on poop are the right thing to do if you are living in a mobile camp in the wilderness, but they had to be adapted when the Hebrews got outhouses, and these days we have flush toilets.
Ditching laws about diets, about fabrics, about marriage (most crucial one), about ritual impurity, about temples and sacrifices, etc. A lot has changed, and going from “this is a death penalty offense” to “this is fine” is tearing up the old traditions no matter what spin you want to put on it. The laws were highly specific but they were still the traditional laws, which were ditched. I don’t have a problem saying that’s a good thing (except for marriage, which was dumb) but denying that it was a thing they did is just silly.
You are blaming Christianity for the crimes of postchristianity.
We used to have biblical marriage and the death penalty for sodomy. You cannot put the blame for that social decay on Christianity. The fact is that Jews of the time of Jesus were running away from that stuff as fast as they could, and Christians were preserving it.
The laws on diet, fabrics, and all that stuff were rendered irrelevant and inappropriate by the time the Iron Age began and the Bronze age ended, and became more irrelevant due to changes in farming practice and public hygiene under the Romans. And the priests and Pharisees responded to this irrelevance and inappropriateness by re-interpreting them, the problem not being that they re-interpeted them, for re-interpretation was obviously needed, but that they re-interpreted them in favor of evil and malice, as most spectacularly demonstrated in the events that so pissed off the Romans.
Recollect Jesus’s crack about tassels. His point is that they were not observing the law on fabrics, that they were re-interpreting the law in meaningless, trivial, and irrelevant ways for wicked reasons.
Recollect it was the Romans who forced the temple priesthood to implement sewers and aqueducts. The Romans were following the law of Moses a whole lot better than the Temple priesthood were. Without sewers and aqueducts, the Mosaic law on washing your hands becomes meaningless in an urban environment. Which meaninglessness the priests and Pharisees gleefully exploited for wicked purposes, substituting politically loaded ritual cleanliness for actual cleanliness. In the parable of the good Samaritan, the priest crossed the road to avoid contamination by blood. And then after they crucified Christ, things got worse. They murdered a Roman cop to avoid contamination by blood. Which is backwards.
Consider the Mosaic laws on poop. All good civilized people observe them when camping in the wilderness. But we no longer spend much time camping in the wilderness. So what do you do? Answer, obviously is not what the Jews do. I have a bidet beside my toilet.
I am blaming Christianity for ditching the idea of just buying a daughter for your son, without being overly concerned about her consent. Fathers arranging marriages for their daughters was a time-honored practice that was gradually eroded away to nothing. Oh, and I also blame them for introducing the idea of a holy celibacy, as if failure to fulfill your biological telos could ever be anything but a grave failure. If you think I am making that up then read St. Jerome on marriage. He spoke for a lot of church fathers.
The other stuff they ditched was fine to ditched, all I want is the honesty to say that that’s what they did. There were outmoded laws, and they changed or ditched them, simple as that. Nothing wrong with that. Wrong to pretend that what they did is not doing that. Just say Jesus said it is okay to change the rules now that Israel’s purpose has been served, or whatever.
Why are you talking as though I’m defending the Pharisees, or the Jews? I’m not, they are obviously a bunch of disloyal, conniving bastards, and they obviously changed the laws as well. They ran away from the laws, and only a dishonest idiot would pretend that they didn’t.
Well, that happened around the thirteenth century, so I don’t think you can blame Christianity for that. And as for priestly celibacy, it stands in obvious contradiction to scripture and to the practices of the early church – it is part of the Nicolaitian heresy condemned in the Book of Revelation. Which is one of the things the Protestants rightly complained about in the Protestant revolution.
First Epistle to Timothy: Chapter three
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
Epistle to Titus
5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
Sure I can, Christianity was thoroughly entrenched in power and had been for a long time when the practice disappeared. Did not disappear elsewhere around the same time.
And if it were recognized as heresy, then the guy who wrote this would not be called a saint, let alone a church father:
This guy was writing in the 300s. He was widely hailed in his own day, and is a saint in both Catholicism and Orthodoxy to this day. The rot goes back very long way.
It still rot, and the Protestant revolutionaries called it out. So, not accepted at the start, and widely rejected in recent times.
Therefore not an inherent defect in Christianity, for there is and was a whole lot of Christianity around without this defect.
Calvin I do not understand what your ultimate point is. You are playing this game of ‘Culture of critique’ wherein you criticize with no construction. Its acidic, annoying to read, and extremely yiddish.
Get to your point. What do you propose? Chrisitanity is inherently toxic? Argue that. Don’t argue that some priestly figure 1500 years ago said something inane and destructive and his fellow priests agreed, argue that this inane and destructive viewpoint is inherently Christian. You are wasting everyone’s time with this.
That Christianity’s mistakes are in a large part responsible for the mess we are in, and that if you want to avoid falling into the same traps again have to know what they are.
The mistakes you point to grew to disastrous proportion when Christianity lost power. They are evils of the enlightenment, not evils of Christianity.
People follow traditions without understanding them. For example, in Russia, as in Japan, street shoes are removed at the door, or less commonly, covered with disposable plastic baggies. Arriving at a hostel with Russian friends, I asked why some shoes were left at the front door and some at the doors of individual rooms. Was told, “Just leave your shoes where you like,” whereupon I explained to Russians *why* they remove their shoes, and why all must agree as to where street filth ends and clean floors begin.
Traditions work better when people follow them without understanding them, but then some trivial circumstance changes, and in order to adapt the behavior to the slightly different circumstances, someone does need to understand them.
There’s that entropy thing again. Someone needs to understand the traditions, but not too many people. Civilization, organization, cohesion, God! these things are hard and always balanced on a knife edge.
The enlightenment would not take place until centuries after normative arranged marriages had died out, and over a millennium after the saint I quoted lived. You can’t blame everything on it, and in any case that such an event happened at all is an inditement of Christianity and its failings.
It did not die out – we saw for example no end of shotgun marriages in late eighteenth century early nineteenth century Australia. But it started to be vigorously discouraged in the eleventh and twelfth centuries, and Christianity was complicit in this discouragement. England was curiously undisturbed by what was happening in Australia, but suddenly started to get indignant about it later in the nineteenth century.
I recollect a biography, cannot recall the link, where a woman tells how her nineteenth century mother was told by a servant “If you open that door a crack and sneek a look through it, you will see your future husband.” The groom was negotiating with the father, and the daughter had never seen him before. That was, I think from memory, eighteen fifties or so, and happened in Tasmania, quite some time after the rot had thoroughly set in in England.
There was a pattern that the further from the center of political power, the more marriages were arranged, and among the more affluent classes, where property and business relationships were an issue, arranged early, Tasmania being as far from London as you could get without treading water.
The people at the top never like strong families at the bottom.
“it is part of the Nicolaitian heresy”
I’m rather flattered that you would name the teachings of the Church Father’s after me. But really, I’m just reiterating the opinions of Augustine, Chrysostom and Jerome.
Christianity, if it is to be internally coherent, must be interpreted by the communion of the Saints. And you will find that nearly all the early Saints and Church Fathers were unmarried celibates. And that all their writings on the issue amount to celibacy being holier than the married life, and that virginity is ideal among the priesthood.
And I can’t help but find it hilarious that someone who calls himself “Calvin” goes out of his way to condemn quotes from St. Augustine.
Were they? Peter and James the Just were married, and Paul did not seem too keen on recruiting celibates to the clergy.
You can fairly claim that Paul thought that celibacy was holier, but he made it clear enough that he thought that kind of holiness was not suitable for running a Church.
Most marriages were arranged until probably the 1920s…
The other marriages were typically as Jim said shotgun marriages though I dispute with Jim that lose of virginity did not necessarily bring them about as virgin brides were only really an upper class norm (though women married young so generally not too much experience) but pregnancy generally did.
Jim has said St. Jerome was an evil man many times.
Holiness spiralling especially when it regards to virginity. Even to within marriage to a woman that led to the forgery “Protoevangelium of James”. does reek of the Lavender Mafia.
I know of one woman whose Husband hated to have sex with her. And refused or would only want to have it quick, over and done with.
Only to later find out he was Sodomite.
The protoevangelium of James is a forgery, since in purports to be written by James the Just, brother of Christ, but was written a century later.
Forgeries are created to deceive, to gain some advantage by deceiving, so, what advantage?
Obviously gays wanted to get into the Church to fuck other people’s children. Hence fabricated the protoevangelium to promote clerical celibacy so that they could get into the Church without people giving them funny looks and to promote the perpetual virginity of Mary in order to attack marriage and the family.
The protoevangelium of James was promoted by Origen, who has been accused by various ancient Christians of being a flasher, a sexual deviant, and what we would call some kind of transsexual.
Origen wanted to join the priesthood, but caught heat because of this suspicion, so it was in his interests to attack marriage and promote priestly celibacy by promoting the perpetual virginity of Mary, and, more importantly, by denying the marriage of James the Just.
The obvious motive for the forgery is to get closer to other people’s children. Perhaps Nikolai can come up with a more generous motive.
I just stumbled upon this Tik Tok style video of orthodox kosher keeping.
“They just make sense”!!!!!!
https://twitter.com/a_westgate/status/1729695062848688234
“More than 200 cities around the world are partially encircled by an eruv. Manhattan’s certainly isn’t the largest, but according to Mintz, it’s the most expensive eruv in the world. It costs between $125,000 and $150,000 a year to maintain.”
https://www.npr.org/2019/05/13/721551785/a-fishing-line-encircles-manhattan-protecting-sanctity-of-sabbath
http://eruv.nyc/
The Dutch election seems to have joined the Argentine is being remarkably un-rigged.
They are similar in that the winner is obsessed with Israel to an unhealthy and bizzarre extent.
I don’t mind either of them that much.
National-socialist types claiming that this is the jews playing both sides against each other. Not true, but not that far from the truth. They give up some leftism in exchange for being unequivocally pro-war.
Given how little Israel matters to European countries, it is not such a bad tradeoff.
It’s Americans bearing the brunt of the cost, after all.
Italy, on the other hand, seems to be swept by a wave of new feminism and hysteria about violence against women, greater than I’ve ever seen.
We’ve enjoyed relative peace on that front for a long time. Now it feels like 2014 america.
It’s a good result.
There has been rigging, in the big cities, in favor of the second biggest party, the progressive leftists. But not nearly as extensive as in America. Whether they wouldn’t or couldn’t, who knows. My impression is they couldn’t.
The big winner, Geert Wilders, is mostly leftist on all policies but immigration. But nobody voted for him for any other reason than immigration. So it’s kind of a repeat of America’s 2016 ‘build a wall’ moment. Just like then, whether Wilders can get the job done remains to be seen. But for now it’s fun to see the usual heads explode.
Why do you call Wilders a winner? If I understand correctly his party has some 36 seats of 150. That’s not nearly enough to rule, not even in a coalition with Thiery Baudet’s party. All other parties look solidy progressive, pro immigration. Don’t see how any of them might agree to stopping non-European immigration.
So I’d rather say Widlers lost (again).
True, but 36 seats is for Dutch electoral standards a very impressive result. In the minds of Dutch normies he is the winner. And it is customary that the winner gets to be prime minister.
Of course you are totally correct on the coalition formation. There are some parties that might work with him (Pieter Omtzigt’s NSC being an interesting one), but it’s an uphill battle.
What if there is no coalition is there another election?
Eventually, yes. Another possibility is a minority coalition in which a non-coalition party gives conditional support for majority decisions. Which is as shaky as it sounds.
You gentleman have had a republic longer than anyone else in the modern world. Do any Dutch people retain any cultural memory of a hereditary monarch? Who was your last monarch? What do Dutch people think about William of Orange?
The Netherlands do have a monarch, King Willem-Alexander. Unfortunately, he does not rule – like all other kings in Europe.
Right, I did a wiki search and couldnt find a time when they had a hereditary monarch with real power. The closest I could find was William of Orange, who defeated the Brits in the second Anglo Dutch and assumed the throne of England. I think the college of William and Mary is named after him.
You are no doubt referring to stadtholder William III, the confusion being understandable because there have been a total of eight Williams of Orange ruling over the Netherlands throughout the centuries, and to add to the confusion they started renumbering the Williams post-Napoleon.
pre-Napoleon William III was the closest the Netherlands ever got to a monarchy — even though his official title was ‘cityholder’ of the Netherlands, he was more its king than his descendants king William I to III ever were.
The Netherlands is the story of a republic chafing up against a possible monarchy. William III was great and might have gotten the job done if he had any descendants. But he didn’t. As the story goes, Mary was pregnant but suffered a miscarriage, possibly because of extensive traveling in carriages over cobbles.
Post-Napoleon, William I, son of last stadtholder William V, was allowed to crown himself king as a deterrent against France. But at this point we are very near the European 1848 revolts and so king William II preventively signs away many of his rights in a new constitution.
So the Dutch never had that same monarchical tradition that the French and English had. But we’ve had a figurehead queen or king for the past 200 years, and they are generally popular, if not very powerful and very much tip-toeing the line in order to stay acceptable to progressive zeitgeist. Which progressive zeitgeist hates their guts nonetheless, naturally.
The Dutch are a bit different from other peoples. They can make a Republic work long-term. They can even move the coastlines to give themselves more land.
Not my read. My read is that since independence from the Spanish Habsburgs, there have always been two opposing forces fighting for control: Republicans and Monarchists. It was only because of a couple of strong monarchists (most prominently, William III, who saved the Netherlands from total annihilation in 1672) that the Netherlands survived as a state.
There is somewhat of a parallel with the only German state that eventually dominated the others – Prussia and it’s hereditary kings, most prominently Frederick the Great.
So essentially the Dutch monarchists saved the Dutch Republic from itself.
Yes, that is pretty much how it went down.
I saw a recent clip of Scott Adams being shared on social media, where he comments on how ominous it is that Joe Biden, the sitting president, does not seem to be campaigning at all, less than year before the next election, despite his lack of popularity.
As has been noted here before, they are not acting as if they need to win. They never have in the past four years.
At this point I am 50/50 on whether they’ll rig the election or not. There’s a good chance Trump will be let in again for all the reasons that have been discussed, most importantly it seems to me like he’s the only political figure who could possibly increase troop morale.
If they are serious about war, having Trump is the bare minimum.
I no longer hold any hope that he can turn things around, but I still want to see him be re-elected, out of spite more than anything else.
Whether or not this is good long term is quite debatable. One thing that’s obvious to me is that the right does not have an ounce of the energy or unity it had in 2016. That was a very different time, and many who liked Trump then dislike him now, sometimes for good reasons.
What I mean is that I see even less of a chance of another Trump victory leading to any kind of institutional recapture. People tried then, when the chances looked better, and the enthusiasm was higher, and it failed miserably. The right is even more repressed now.
The fact that both Trump and his supporters (or ex supporters) are more disillusioned than ever is not totally negative, but to me it seems that it’s not likely to produce positive results in practice. Furthermore Trump hasn’t learned the right lesson.
You are not keeping up with the times. Thermidor has re-energized the normiecon right, who are now very quietly thinking about civil war and likelihood of genocide. Tucker Carlson says he would bet his house on large scale violence in 2024, and that all his off the record in person conversations show that everyone he talks to expects the same. And he is mostly talking to the normiecon facefag right. Still not seeing any leader able and willing to lead us should Civil War III begin, in which case it will be a genocide, not a war. It will start like Bloody Kansas, which was, for lack of official leadership, not exactly the beginning of Civil War I, but not exactly not the beginning of Civil War I either, much as World War I began with Serbia unofficially sponsoring low level unofficial warfare against the Hapsburg empire.
What he says the normiecon facefag right is saying and thinking to him off the record agrees with what I see the normiecon facefag right saying and thinking after a couple of drinks.
I don’t expect full on civil war in 2024, rather something more like Bloody Kansas or the runup to World War I.
The Thermidoreans don’t want a Caesar, but they need one, the radical woke need one, and we need one. A likely outcome is that they let Trump win the election, but he is reluctant to be Ceasar, and they are reluctant to let him be Caesar. So nothing gets resolved, and troubles get bigger, faster.
Many outcomes are possible at this stage of the left singularity. I will not predict any one of them, but white America has been driven off a whole lot of turf by physical violence. And now the turf, which was rather nice, is turning to rubbish, so its occupants want more turf. And there is plenty of leadership in the governing elite willing to oblige them, a process that ends in the death of every white in North America. That will not necessarily happen, but it is an outcome that has real potential to happen.
Hot genocide is a very slight escalation of the currently regnant ideology of cold genocide. Albeit the Thermidoreans see it coming, don’t want it, and aim to prevent it.
If no one brings a halt to the left singularity (and the Thermidoreans are having a go at bringing a halt) we will get there soon enough, because the current regnant belief system always very quickly escalates to something even more extreme. That South Africa has not gone to hot genocide yet is irrelevant. They are a province of the Global American Empire. They do as they are told.
That America becomes South Africa is the currently ruling ideology – but the currently ruling ideology always changes to even holier, even faster, a process that has alarmed the Thermidorean faction. They want stability at Hillary Clinton leftism, but cannot find a leader capable of giving them that.
America becomes South Africa is the outcome of Hillary Clinton leftism becoming permanent and stable governance, which is the objective of the Thermidoreans. But Hillary Clinton leftism is incapable of becoming permanent and stable governance.
The Thermidoreans not only cannot get what they want by the methods they are prepared to use. They cannot get what they want at all. The Republic died in 2020. It is now Caesar time and the question now is which Caesar.
God will give us a Caesar. And we will proclaim him appointed by God. Getting there may well be turbulent and unpleasant – and the longer it takes to get there the more turbulent and unpleasant it will be, but I just got word of God (the usual cryptic word of God), that he is coming very soon. No specific timeline, but very soon. He will also be a somewhat less than than perfect Ceasar, and we will gripe, but he will not be all that bad, and his arrival will be so improbable that it may somewhat plausibly be claimed to be miraculous.
If we lack a clear war leader, so does the left. Biden’s efforts to wage war in Ukraine show just how badly off they are in that field. Unlikely to escalate to mass organized large scale violence without one.
In the Ukraine, they resorted to the Nazis. But it has now become obvious that they plan for the Nazis to die last, but die nonetheless, so a similar tactic may not fly quite so well the second time around. The Ukraine government is a compromise between Globalist Jews and Ukrainian Nazis, which is rather less than Caesar, and the Nazis are starting to regret the compromise.
Who is the local equivalent that they could even theoretically use for such mass violence in America? Shanequa sure as hell isn’t it.
The guys running antifa. The guys who attempted to murder Kyle Rittenhouse.
They seem to have done a rather poor job even in the face of Kyle’s unorganized violence.
You know Kyle Rittenhouse, but do you know Aaron Danielson and Lee Keltner? Two successful hits, one unsuccessful. Their one failure made the news, but as much from a man bites dog headline impulse retained by the otherwise compromised journalism industry as from our side seizing on the story.
Their successes get memory holed after normies are told to disbelieve their lying eyes, and dutifully do so. Then even our side thinks about Rittenhouse as a one-off incident instead of us going one for three.
Danielson in Portland especially repays reading up on, because it’s so very clearly a multi-person hit team. Shooter standing back around a corner where he can’t see the target, spotter standing at the corner where he can see both and signal the shooter, car with driver and passenger pulls up and engages the target in conversation to freeze him in one location.
Before they let the cat out of the bag with wink-and-a-nod interviews to friendly local media it looked like the DA wasn’t going to prosecute. When his hand was forced by publicity the FBI did Antifa a solid and smoked the shooter while resisting arrest, removing any link to the rest of the squad.
Which brings in another point – they evidently feel they can lose their shooter, trade one for one by head count, and still come out ahead. Comparing the bio-Leninist scum they recruit from to our side they’re probably right. Which makes Rittenhouse a winner twice over, if he’d gotten convicted at trial that’s as good as a hit for taking him out of play, a fair trade for the psych ward dischargee who was the first designated shooter if things had gone anything like plan.
But back to my first point, Antifa runs multi-person assassination squads on American soil with cover from the FBI, and I can get there just from left wing journalism, no great leaps required. That they botched one out of three (that we know of) is no great comfort to me.
It’s also a reason not to sign on to accelerationism/worse is better thinking. It’s a Bad Thing for us that Team A runs the FBI. There’s no upside, Team A running the FBI doesn’t make revolution more likely, it just solidifies their control, and gives them more time to slice the salami down thinner.
Of course the above happened under Trump, who could have, should have and didn’t clean house, but sooner or later someone on Team B is going to get nervous and learn from others’ mistakes. Or better still one of our guys who slips in in the chaos. But it can’t happen if blackpillers on our side throw everything to Team A on the theory that one day the people will have enough and rise up. If that were going to happen it would have happened by now. (This last not addressed to you Calvin, just something I’ve been thinking about since a comment on a previous post.)
There will be no rising, and should be no rising, till Caesar says “rise”. And we are as yet short a Caesar.
The “war” in Ukraine is not really a war as far as the US government is concerned, just a money-laundering operation and a payoff to the weapons contractors. It’s also a fun way to passive-aggressively fuck with Putin while giggling “I’m not touching you!”
A civil war on US soil would be a much different beast. The rulers would feel personally threatened and they would go utterly scorched earth.
So it was until October 7, but now Ukraine is a distraction from our sacred duty to defend Israel at all cost. If Russia had a hand in the Hamas attack, it was a brilliant move.
Defending Israel is much much cheaper…
I haven’t been keeping up with the times. Or rather, not in a way that would show this to me.
I can believe it, but I wonder how much of this is resignation. Back in 2016, there was unbelievable optimism. Especially after the election – I do miss that time.
You could say it was one last hurray for boomers, Trump being a great example of one. They are the last generation that truly believed in the american system, because they grew up while it was more functional. You’ve pointed out how after Brezhnev’s generation died out, the soviet union collapsed, for the same reason.
We will see what happens. Here, meanwhile, things are looking grim at the moment.
A whole lot of it is resignation. But they are now getting resigned to mass murder and genocide, while formerly they were getting resigned to faggots being celebrated in the movies. This is a rather more energetic form of resignation, and one more apt to explode in terrifying action.
I just watched Trump, the epitome of normie boomercon conservatism, giving a speech to a normiecon women organization concerned with abortion and transexualization. Mostly it was old type normiecon, but he covered weaponization of the justice system, which has now finally and belatedly entered the normiecon zone of thinkable and speakable issues, and he called out the groomers. He told those women that the government is coming to take your children away, transform them into horrifying intermediate monsters attractive only to perverts, and sodomize them. He used more delicate language than I am inclined to use, but his meaning was plain enough.
Holy war is coming. If the only Caesar is woke radical, we get genocided. If the only Caesar is thermidorean, his rule will be shaky. If more than one Caesar, the winning Caesar will be the one that has least tolerance for the gay parade. A regime that wants to take your kids away to sodomize them is going to be incapable at warfare.
Off topic:
@Jim7z on Gab recently:
“Modern Corporate capitalism was created in the seventeenth century by Christians, and was inherently Christian all the way up to the start of the twentieth century. I don’t think Jews understand how it works.”
I for one would sure appreciate an elaboration on this sometime, the inherently Christianness of original strain corporate capitalism, and why Jews might not really get it.
I think Thomas777 did a show with Pete Quinones a while back where he deep dived into this. I can’t remember the exact episode but it was a series they did on the history of the JQ. The basic point is that capitalism is an economics based on value-added production, whereas jews historically have engaged in money lending and skilled service employment. So you have a lot of wealthy jewish bankers but there has never been a jewish equivalent of Henry Ford.
The enterprise originated in the thirteenth century or so as an accounting fiction, a book entry distinct from its owner or owners.
Which facilitated cooperation between a group of owners, to act as one person. And over time these partnerships became large and effectual, and in the seventeenth century, we got the joint stock limited liability publicly traded for profit corporation, modern capitalism, a corporation being a legal grant of single personhood to a group of people, a legal person, uniting the legal fiction with the book keeping fiction, and making that fiction very real.
But for the owners and employees to believe that that person was real, the books had to have moral authority So, linked to the rise of the corporation was a belief that he immutable append only journal reflected God’s creation, the balance of the books was an earthly reflection of the divine scales of justice and the symmetry of God’s creation.
As I sarcastically remark in Sox Accounting, When the dust settled over the Great Minority Mortgage meltdown it became apparent that the books of the financial entities involved had little connection to God’s creation.
The destruction of book-keeping, and destruction of the moral authority of book-keeping are linked, and are fundamental cause of the failure of international globohomo capitalism, which is too subtle and indirect for most people to understand. When the books are lie imposed on you by hostile outsiders. you lose cohesion around profit, making things, buying, selling, and satisfying the customer, and instead substitute cohesion around gay sex and abortion rights. Notice Musk’s tactic of making each of his enterprises a moral crusade, and also of giving them a legal form that evades SoX accounting.
To believe the corporation is real, the books have to reflect reality, and reality has to have moral authority. The Christian doctrine of the Logos gives reality moral authority, since reality is a manifestation of will of God.
Do you believe this is a True observation?
https://twitter.com/BigYehudah/status/1727331153047420987
Actually its this one:
https://twitter.com/antemodernist/status/1727325798930210838
Not seeing it. In the Christian groups on Gab I seem to be the most aggressive defender of Trinitarianism and Christ’s Deity.
Anyone who uses the term “logos”, as in “The Logos is Rising” is an aggressive defender of trinitarianism and Christ’s deity, and is usually also an aggressive opponent of egalitarianism, feminism, and all that.
Do a Yandex search for “The Logos is rising”. You are not going to see what antemodernist claims to see. What I see is a strong correlation between forceful support of the ancient other worldly doctrines of Christianity, and forceful support of the ancient this worldly doctrines of Christianity.
Maybe antemodernist has a different search term. But if he does, I suspect it is a term used by the worshippers of Serpent Christ, who are not Trinitarians, despite being able to mouth words that superficially sound like the words of Trinitarians.
It probably is true in regards to his local social Networks. And those he is aware of that is in connection to that.
The LCMS and other namefags on twitter.
And likely they are also worshippers of “Serpent Christ”.
Kind of like all the fbi antisemites are strangely unable to notice the actual bad things that Jews are doing.
The Thermidorian faction is exemplified by “former white nationalist” Richard Hanania, who seems to be a mouthpiece for what they are thinking. They are all-in on rolling back race communism, and all-in on war and empire. But they are not at all on board with the WQ and FQ. The are pro-feminist and pro-faggot, neutral on troons. They want gay empire with capitalism instead of communism. Global nigger capitalism instead of global nigger communism. Which is an improvement in many respects, but we will have to coup this faction. Failing that, the Thermidorians are my foe, because restoring industry will make it slightly better to be a white man in America, but will make its regime infinitely more dangerous to its enemies. But, unlike the left, it will be open to entryism from men like us.
Hanania, by the way, does not understand why SOx is a problem, and is too dumb to be responsive in debates on Twitter. The Thermidorian faction is just not that bright. They understand “industry will be fine if we kick shaniqua out”, but do not understand the insidious nuances of American Communism for the same reason that a fish does not understand what water is.
What worries me is that I don’t think they understand what makes capitalism work.
The re-introduction of capitalism in Russia and Latin America was a horrible failure at first. Russia has been slowly groping its way to a form of capitalism that sort of works, and now that they have had national capitalism imposed on them from outside, it is working impressively well. Deng’s capitalism worked great, but Xi has been mucking capitalism up in ways analogous to the way the gay nigger empire has been mucking capitalism up.
The reintroduction of capitalism in Argentina that happened after the fall of the Soviet Union failed, and I am not at all sure that Javier Milei understands why it failed.
The state has been attacking the cohesion of the corporation just as it has been attacking the cohesion of the family. Capitalism is incompatible with SoX, because if your books are detached from reality, lies that hostile outsiders demand that you believe, the corporation has lost that which makes it one person. An enterprise is a thirteenth century accounting fiction imagined into reality. It is incompatible with HR, because it has to fire whom it chooses and hire whom it chooses, and HR is a hostile and expensive tentacle of the state that stands in the way. And that the corporation is a legal entity, the legal form created by the Dutch Republic and Charles the second, means it is incompatible with a corrupt, lawless, unpredictable, and criminal legal and judicial system and a wicked judiciary. HR, legal, and accounting rip the the cohesion of the corporation apart.
Social truths need divine endorsement to keep them connected to God’s creation. That double entry books made visible the divine scales of justice and the symmetry of God’s creation helped make the enterprise real. Sox has the same effect on the corporation as the abolition of marriage 1.0 had on the Church. You get pervasive cynicism apathy, and disbelief. If you don’t believe in the books (and if they are SoX books you should not believe them) you don’t believe the enterprise really exists. It is people, but it is no longer a person.
In Nazi Germany you did not have chess clubs, sewing circles, trade unions, churches, or businesses. You had nazi chess clubs, nazi sewing circles, nazi trade unions, nazi churches, and nazi businesses.
And in the gay nigger empire you have gay nigger chess clubs, gay nigger sewing circles, gay nigger trade unions, gay nigger churches, and gay nigger businesses. And gay nigger businesses do not work.
There is at least some communication between the Thermidor faction who don’t get that and men like Elon Musk who do. But likely, they find men like Musk annoying and too smart.
Musk will probably be able to tell them to stay out of his way, and he will get things done. Hopefully, they are smart enough to apply “stay out of Musk’s way” to every business producing value. But they may see Musk as an unprincipled exception to federal economic planning, with their red-tape-cutting interpreted as an exercise of state power that proves how good state control of the economy is.
Yes, there is clearly a reason why he is being boosted so heavily. Or rather there are people behind him, I think he is a mouthpiece for the wannabe Indian Ascendancy (hence his chummy relationship with Vivek). That’s something of a conversation for another time, though.
To your point about these types not really understanding the WQ, hanania just wrote a piece about how much he admires black men and their style of hitting on women. It seemed to go completely over his head that this is fundamentally matriarchal and has led to societies that have produced nothing in civilizational terms.
Hanania is fanatically pro-vaxx. Is this an expression of what the Thermidorian faction thinks of the vaxx, or is it only a personal idiosyncrasy of Hanania’s?
Yes and no. They want to stop imposing the Vax on everyone, but don’t want anyone saying it was an evil and malicious idea from the beginning.
Obvious that something is up, but we see only shadows on the wall.
My conjecture is that the Thermidorean faction is out of power, but has enough power to stop the ruling faction from accomplishing all the disastrous things it would like to accomplish. Neither faction wants an accounting for past crimes, in which both were complicit.
https://twitter.com/_alice_evans/status/1726717480016687377
Here’s a good on-going thread by a lunatic leftie woman documenting how South Korea became more and more feminist when before it had put the “Man high, woman low”.
Of course, as she boasts with pride about the feminist movements accomplishments, she is completely oblivious to the lowest TFR in the world, just happy accidents on the road to progress after all.
Will South Korea, or USA, or any place in the world uncuck themselves on the woman question despite a Thermidor? My reason to doubt this is because the thermidorians themselves are probably true believers in it now, though I did hear Milei is shutting down some alphabet soup woman agency or whatever, so maybe not all of them are truly cucked.
Here’s a more succinct question, which man is going to go to war for GAE without the promise of pussy? Especially if they know that the guy who defies the GAE and stays out of the trenches are probably going to get more pussy than they ever will in their short life before they are smoked by artillery.
Especially when it will be white men in the trenches as the women get railed by black criminals back home.
Niggers will. Spics will. Certain whites will. But they will do it because they will be getting pussy. To answer your question: none. There are many reasons to trust Jim, to believe Jim is right. a big one is that his assertions are incredibly reducible to simple terms. The failure that I have encountered, failures of faith or conceptualization, are ones of scale and scope and frame. I know this will sound like the mutterings of a sycophant, but you must believe that I am speaking in good faith and honestly from a basis of informed perspective: If you think you have found something that conflicts with Jimian analysis, You need to zoom out or zoom in, probably by a substantial amount, and recalculate. I’m not saying Jim is never wrong, but history shows that he’s always right eventually.
I don’t actually disagree with Jim, I just cannot fathom GAE providing pussy for their soldiers, but hey, I never imagined tranny wonderland stuff happening either, so who knows what ideas they will come up with.
I believe the 2016 election was rigged against Trump except they underestimated his support and were caught unawares which is why the 2020 election rigging was so blatant. I don’t know anything about this Argentinian but I am extremely skeptical because he seems like the perfect candidate to mollify the increasingly unhappy Argentinean masses while achieving nothing. I hope I’m wrong but a newly elected national leader going on about a foreign country on the other side of the world instead of focusing on his own backyard doesn’t seem like someone who really cares about his own nation
He’s not perfect. But he is in power, and he attained power via populism and Saying The Quiet Part Aloud. After Bolsanaro, I’m gun shy with Latin America. But we must be ready, willing, and able to accept incremental victories. I think the full scale assault on his character that started milliseconds after his victory was announced is proof enough that he is good for our side, even if he isn’t necessarily on our side.
If you know Argentinian language and body and culture you know Milei is for real.
What make him not appear real is formidible competition and threat risk and public bullshit slander lies from the Left.
That will shake anyone’s game, even though inside they know who they are.
He did. But also by buddying up to the Thermidorean faction of the deep state.
Of course it is great that that faction has won that victory, and that he has won that victory, and that he won that victory by populism and saying stuff you are not supposed to say.
But it remains to be seen whether Milei is actually in power — it seems likely that the Thermidorean faction has power enough to obstruct the radical woke faction from doing some bad stuff, but not obvious that it has power enough to accomplish its good objectives. He may, like Trump, find that his opponents are so thoroughly entrenched in the state apparatus that he cannot bend it to his will.
And, supposing he is in power, is what he is going to implement modern capitalism, or the same postmodern capitalism as failed in Argentina last time around?
The Thermidorean faction seems to understand that tech lead Shaniqua is not a good idea, but tech lead Shaniqua is more a symptom of what is wrong with postmodern capitalism than the root cause. There are a whole lot of ways of running a business into the ground, and I have seen a few of them — you may recall my rants about committee decision making, and the company law firm having board representation. Woke is not the only way to go broke.
In Argentina, as in the United States, the question is not whether the corrupt state actors will cheat to steal an election from a genuine populist, but whether they will cheat by a margin large enough to overcome the populist’s victory. One reason Hitlery lost in 2016 was that her campaign believed its own propaganda about her inevitability. They didn’t cheat enough — a mistake they would certainly not make again.
Fast forward to 2020 and the cheating was so massive and so obvious, it takes some very bad cognitive dissonance to believe anything else. Unfortunately, the media is set up to deliver sufficiently massive doses of cognitive dissonance.
Where is the breaking point? We may have just seen it. People are paying attention now. People know the game. And as Scott Adams likes to point out, perhaps the most important thing President Trump did for us was to teach everyone that all of the big institutions are always lying to us.
May the populist victory of 2023 repeat itself in the United States next year.