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15 Responses to “Democracy”

  1. Glenfilthie says:

    Well, yeah.

    Freedom and democracy requires the blood and guts of tyrants. I think it intellectually dishonest to lay the blame for that blood at the feet of Uncle Sam though. These monkeys are killing each other which I personally think is a good deal for everyone.

    Saves us from having to do it…

    • thinkingabout it says:

      Hey stupid, don’t you think it’s funny that all the major “democracy” movements that got substantial media coverage have been in countries that are opposed to the US or Israel? Nobody made much of a fuss about similar movements in Bahrain, India, Thailand.

    • VXXC says:

      Americas system of governance and rule worked well for America until recently.

      America doesn’t have a Constitutional Problem, it has a People problem.

      What is in charge now would be ruinous anywhere, under any system. Jeffersonian democracy if not the Republic may be weathering them better than most. Power is too decentralized in key areas like law enforcement to get a proper bloodbath tyranny going.

      We don’t have a systems problem, we have a personnel problem.

      Our System -which is basically the same since landing, biggest difference is getting rid of a distant and dysfunctional monarch and Parliament – is what works best for us, and evolved over 188 years into the Republic, and 230 years into Jeffersonian Democracy. Even the New Deal [which is truly administrative usurpation of the Constitution, certainly Democracy in America] even the New Deal wasn’t Toxic until the mid 1960’s. Well the Boomers ruined and gutted everything they touch, and still are, imagine what they might have done with Dictatorship or Monarchy.

      People here tend to dwell in theory world, so if somethings wrong it must be the theory or plan, or system. It couldn’t be the people.

      • jim says:

        I don’t think so. Freeing the blacks without sending them back to Africa was a bad idea. Emancipating women was a really bad idea. Giving them the vote was a really bad idea.

  2. Dave says:

    Democracy works great for social insects. The queen does not rule; she only lays eggs. All assets are communal and all decisions are made by group consensus. Insect democracy is never corrupted by special interests because all the voters are sterile, so they have no interest but the success of the colony.

  3. spandrell says:

    There was a lot, a huge lot of blood in China in the 50s and 60s.

    Shit does happen.

    ” National Democratic Institute for International Affairs – $460,000

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  4. Thomas says:

    There was a lot of blood in Iraq, for example, BEFORE the (installed and failed) democracy there.

    It’s always bloody almost everywhere, no matter which king is, or president or demotic ruling in place.

    Natural order prevails, sooner or later.

    The apparent exception of the West and Japan, is too short to make any longterm conclusions just yet.

    Evil is inside of human race and it’s perfectly natural. Thinking that it begins with the apples or with democracy is mistaken.

    • jim says:

      There was not a whole lot of blood in Syria before democracy.

      In Eastern Europe, whenever democracy produced the wrong result, the Cathedral went ahead with yet another color revolution to ensure that democracy produced the predetermined right result – which was bound to sooner or later produce the outcome it produced in Ukraine – plenty of bloodshed, despite a reasonably high IQ population.

      • Thomas says:

        Wars with Israel, war in Lebanon, internal power struggles like Hama Massacre. Everyday in Syria since Romans and before them.

        With democracy it may become even worse than it was on average before. Perhaps. But not that only democracy is lethal, just about everything is lethal for human masses.

      • Thomas says:

        Imagine, that Israel returned Golan Heights to Syria in some “ME peace-process”. as it was suggested so many times by so many pacifists as the right thing to do. Those poor devils there, would be in a civil war now like the rest of Syria’s population is.

        The Cathedral is really annoying, but those savages out of the West and Japan are even worse. Much worse.

        Besides, there is a lot of (imported and domestic) savages in EU and America.

        I mean, the Cathedral is not the supreme evil. As much as I despise them, I give them this much credit.

  5. jp says:

    One of these things is not like the others… Muslim countries are always shit-holes regardless of what system of government they’re under. Can’t really extrapolate how the Chinese will react based on how a bunch of howling barbarians reacted. Not that democracy isn’t a dumb idea.

    • rightsaidfred says:

      What JP said.

      Demography is destiny in political life. Scandinavian countries are often touted as the ne plus ultra of civilization; and would be so under most any political structure. China has a sameness no matter how the deck chairs are arranged.

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