Russia is winning, and the only possible peace settlement is to give them everything that they demand: Freedom and safety for Russian minorities in adjacent countries, Nato pullback from Russian borders, freedom for old type Christianity near Russia – and of course, international recognition of the borders that they claim. All of them.
Anything less is not going to fly, except as a temporary ceasefire to allow for Ukrainian elections, and Russia is not interested in Ukrainian elections unless freedom is first returned to the Ukraine.
The war in the Ukraine is a war of attrition, and progress in a war of attrition is measured not in square kilometres, but in dead bodies. In World War One, Germany was defeated in France, not in Germany. When Germany surrendered in World War One, the surrender temporarily left the German army in control of Belgium and much of France.
The Russian army is recruiting about thirty thousand volunteers a month, and is growing rapidly. The Ukrainian army is dragging about thirty thousand conscripts of the streets a month, and is shrinking rapidly. Russian advances are not the Russian objective. They are rather a consequence of a section of the Ukrainian front line dying, and fresh half trained Ukrainian conscripts being dragged away from their brief training to villages a short distance behind the former front line to establish a new front line. A gap appears in the Ukrainian front line, and the gap is plugged with fresh meat a short distance back from the former front line. The rate of Russian advance is insignificant in terms of area gained. It is significant as a measure of the rate at which Ukrainian front line troops cease to exist. Advance is not the Russian objective, but an inconvenient side effect of the Russian objective.
In the first of this series of posts I said:
The killing and dying could continue for years, but the writing is on the wall. It has been on the wall for some time. The armies of the Ukraine might be able to hold the line for years, and then collapse, or months, and then collapse.
Unfortunately, looks like being years. But not so many years that Trump can kick the can down the road to his successor.
He is going to catch flak if he gives the Russians everything they demand. He is also going to catch flack if the Russians just take everything they demand.
In my previous posts on the topic I predicted the war would probably be over by now. It is not over. I also predicted that if it was not over, Trump would find himself in an Emperor Hirohito situation. He is now in an Emperor Hirohito situation.
No man rules alone. In order to make peace, Emperor Hirohito had to gently assist some high ranking Japanese to voluntarily commit suicide. If Trump has decided to make peace, he is in a similar pickle.
You can start to notice a consistent theme whenever you skim ukrop agitprop outlets on youtube or xitter one month, and check back a month or so later. There is always constant talk about ‘ukrainian attack in XYZ taking PZQ’. And of course, there is never talk about revisiting any issues of past ‘ukrainian attack in XYZ taking PZQ’. Which gives the game away; you attack some place an occupy it for a day, getting your headline for the news cycle. You fall back. And you attack again the next week, to get your next storm of headlines for the news cycle; which fulfills the signal-boosting impressions in the Ukrainian Winning Simulator.
Military strategy as psychotherapy.
Exactly so.
Pro-Azovism is a (death) cult suffering severe cognitive dissonance, hence the psychology of “Nooo! We just need to support them MOAR and give them MOAR weapons and billions of dollars and then *smug faggot face* they will defeat the eBul Russians in like an hour and spread Human Rights Anal Democracy and also how DARE you suggest that they’re destined to lose that’s like so Le Evil of you…”
Just like with the Best Ever Counter-Attack in All Human History that fell flat and fizzled out within a week, and the rest of their very fake and very gay propaganda ops. The cognitive dissonance among Occidental soy-addled Reddit-browsing Azov-fans must be truly jarring, so they’re compelled to come up with increasingly more bizarre, more pathetic, and more desperate explanations for why their beloved Azov Regime is losing — mostly self blame, as typifies cults in decline, also muh Bad Orange Man and muh incel chuds — and ackshually “Here is how they can still win.” Yeah, anyone supporting that Judeo-Nazi Regime at this point, and who is not directly on the CIA’s payroll, should be assumed to suffer any number of mental retardations and defects, and be deemed INCOMPETENT to discuss politics in general.
And outside the Eurocuck and boomercuck demographics, there is indeed scarcely any support for the Azovites. Any other impression is the result of an immense astroturf campaign by the (((usual suspects))).
The European governments are mostly gay demon worshippers propped up by the GAE-in-Exile sitting somewhere in Canada and Britain, and President Trump should absolutely not let them drag him into conflict with Russia, whatever provocations and false flag operations they have planned – and I trust that, indeed, he won’t let the European Satanists (who are backed by Democrat Satanists) drag him any further into a conflict against a white and Christian civilization that also has functioning nukes. It is, moreover, in Western Civilization’s interest to have peace and full reconciliation between America and Russia; and the Eurocucks can and should go to hell if that bothers them.
One quibble about WW1 Germany won WW1 against all the European powers it lost because America entered.
Still, it lost in France, not in Germany.
Sorry to break the seal you have around Putin’s cock, but given Putsy called in and allowed formal DPRK and CN troops, and given Putsy’s diplomatic about face, the West is not going to let those slide and will keep supporting UA, and will eventually send in a standoff defensive line, call it building Berlin Wall 2.0, the US will continue covertly supplying intel.
US and RU will never fully reconcile until RU drops all vestiges of it’s SocCom era, and ditches its relations with the SocCom’s CN and DPRK. The US will make peace with a Tsar, but not with Commies and Belligerant Tyrants.
The west is running out of Ukrainians, and cannot replace them with western troops unless it tosses gay and feminism overboard as it did in 1933.
The Ukrainian army is today far smaller and has far less training and battle experience than it did in 2023. It is heading to zero.
When the Russians interview a prisoner, he was usually dragged off the streets a few months or weeks before he was taken prisoner, and all his comrades are dead.
Inexperienced and untrained brigades are probably over represented among Russian prisoners, so the average Ukrainian soldier probably has more battle experience than the average Ukrainian prisoner, but it cannot be hugely more. The Ukrainian army is all newbies, the Russian army all vets.
The Europeans figure they can only supply fifteen thousand troops, enough for two weeks of the war, and I don’t believe they can supply even that. The European spear has no tip. If they attempt to put a defensive line in the Ukraine, it will consist of camp followers and brass covered bureaucrats. They think they have very few fighting men, and I suspect that the more they look for fighting men, they will find that they do not find any.
They originally said one hundred thousand, which turned into thirty thousand, which turned into fifteen thousand, and I expect fifteen thousand to become a hundred, and that hundred to turn out to be base employees and brass covered bureaucrats.
Russia is preparing for war with Nato, but Nato is not preparing for war with Russia. If we were preparing for war with Russia, we would start with the Russian measures against gay, and the Chinese measures against divorce.
Do you think there are people in the military who are actualling talking about exactly this, with their regular speaking voices, at least privately to each other? You don’t have to prove it to me either way, but what do you think?
Until “Top Gun Maverick”, I’d have said “no way”, but now I’m not so sure. I just couldn’t believe that movie got made. It was like a flying pig or a talking dog. The negro and Mexican fucked up in the end and the white jocks, white lady and white nerd saved the day.
Imfuckingpossible.
Pretty sure the words are being spoken, privately.
Anecdotal evidence but…
Based on the allegations of severe crimethink I faced, and insider knowledge, there was significant command discretion at a high level, and I got the best possible outcome. They chose to disagree with the vast majority of the investigation’s “findings” with no reason given.
I’m still getting punished for the lowest allegation, but command recharacterized it into a very vaguely worded reprimand for the official record that allows me to save as much face as possible, and will leave anyone seeing the disciplinary record on my future promotion boards scratching their heads at why it was even a thing.
They may not be publicly saying certain things, but they are definitely thinking those things privately, and tilting what they can in favor of what they actually believe. This change occurred just prior to Trump’s election. Officers in legal trouble often end up in ‘time out’ with each other, so a sudden dearth of new investigations (especially crimethink) has been very noticeable. Heck, even DUIs (historically career enders for officers) are being dealt with much softer.
Something more concrete…
DACOWITS was quietly and effectively disbanded last month among all “independent advisory committees” at DOD. Female colonels and even generals are being dismissed.
The tone about women in combat has also changed on some of the more obscure but influential military blogs/podcasts. Whereas in the past those against it would defend their position merely on the basis of physical differences, I’m now seeing retired high ranking officers calling for it to end on the basis of chivalry and what it means to be a man. SecDef Hegseth has definitely embolden the reactionaries.
A heartening update, indeed. Thanks, Pax.
Great to hear, but this does raise the question: is the U.S. military embracing rightist policies in service of international left wing goals?
I.e. is the military getting rid of women and gays, returning to a more martial culture, cutting bloat etc. to become a more efficient fighting force for national defense purposes? Or is this all so that the military can more effectively fight for gay rights in Botswana?
I hope it’s the former, but I worry it’s the latter. The vibe I got from Top Gun Maverick was basically “We’ll roll back 10-20 years of leftism as long as you die for NATO.” I don’t think that’s what Trump, Vance and Hegseth want, but it’s likely the goal of certain entrenched interests.
The thing about Thermidor is that it doesn’t have a coherent agreed-upon faith; hence they don’t really have a “master plan.” The lefter wing of Thermidor obviously wants condoms-on-bananas in Botswana. But America-Firsters don’t want that, and moreover no one younger than 40 wants that. The pro Anal Empire faction is all Jewish gerontocrats who might well transform into lampshades by natural (rather than artificial) processes, and whose power is destined to wane and fade in the coming years, so what they want ultimately doesn’t matter. Vance and Hegseth obviously won’t do the Anal Empire thing.
If Star Wars is a barometer the left itself is reluctantly trying to retreat to saner leftism temporarily. Andor does have some explicit leftism (the attempted rape scene where the Imperial officer says I know your undocumented) but overall (and I know Jim disagrees and doesn’t like Andor) the plot and writing is very good and thats something we haven’t seen in a while.
Ie instead of making Andor a gay girl power morality play they tried to make a good story with some leftist crap weaved in. There is leftism but its not woke.
Andor is a show where the Empire allows people to put up monuments to Imperial atrocities. It is melodramatic garbage, an attempt at realism that manages to be dumber then the EU which just made the Empire Space Nazis and called it a day.
Andor is basically “Will and Grace in Space”. i.e. late 90s leftist crap and we know where that led. But being late 90s its miles ahead of the current slop. But theres no need to apologize or pretend its “good”, it has a few moments but has strayed far from Lucas vision, well-executed formulaic space adventure with the widest possible appeal due to reliance on deep narrative themes.
I sort of like it because its a realistic bad government. Self interested bureaucrats (except Syril Karn) doing false flags or fufilling arrest quotas and such… yes its not space opera action but I like it personally.
As for Palps having allowed the memorial to Tarkin landing his ship on people… Palps didn’t want to go mask off ruling through naked force until the Death Star was actually built so his favorite psychopath (not Vader was Tarkin) was reassigned and he said of course I deplore the carnage etc etc but we can’t have people obstructing Imperial navy ships so not that absurd.
Com, A New Hope is superior in that respect. Darth Vader commits 3 false flags (the space ship, Jawas, Lars family) to cover up the hunt for the Death Star plans. Andor forgets blasters have a stun setting AND that Andor has shown the Empire is rounding up people for labor so they can have ‘Empire does false flag and guns down protestors.
The prequels and first trilogy contradict each other, so they needed to pick one to follow. Instead it is consumed by political messaging and manages to contradict the prequels, the original three movies and itself.
You Azovites will be wiped off the face of the Earth. Your best chance, at the moment, is to flee to Poland as refugees; Ukraine (meaning “periphery”) rightfully belongs to Russia, and it will once again be Russian; and there is nothing your fake, gay, and Satanic Judeo-Nazi cult can do about it short of screeching.
Your only support in the whole world comes from trannies, boomers, and tranny boomers on the CIA’s payroll. Quite the company!
The necro-cultist chappie has actually served on a platter the “peace formula” for when the time comes. It’s not that “we lost and the Ukraine is now 70% of its former territory”, it’s rather that on the former front line where Russia decided to stop “we built a mighty fortress-wall to contain the forces of darkness which otherwise would roll like a genocidal tide across the continent to the english channel”.
That’s the off-ramp PR formula. “They wanted to kill us all but we stopped them in their tracks”, as opposed to “yes we lost in the Ukraine and sued for peace”.
Likewise, it’s not that “we can barely all scrape together the equivalent of half a Ukrainian army”, it’s rather “we the elves of light and good joined forces shoulder to shoulder to say no more you shall not pass”. And so on.
On the one hand, any spin that stops the war is welcome, on the other hand, any spin that stops the war without admitting the truth will also be used to enforce further a wider truth-free environment within Europe.
Do we have a good explanation for why the Rona collapsed just as Putin launched his attack? Is the State Department (or miscellaneous deep state) incapable of focusing on two things at once or was the Rona intentionally dropped? Would the State Department (or miscellaneous deep state) be able to continue the Ukraine conflict as it’s forced to defend Taiwan from Chiner?
It seems more likely that the regime wanted to pivot away from the holocough, despite bitter-clinger Karens refusing to let go. There had already been several related trial balloons like the “vax amnesty” op-ed.
Vax politics were causing real no-shit civil unrest, GDP was going down the toilet because no one was going to work, kids and young athletes were dying from Suddenly in front of massive audiences… it was simply untenable.
But the shark cannot stop swimming, else it dies; it can only swim in a different direction. And Muh Russia was a convenient new direction, having been focus-tested in the years of “The Resistance”, and being a perennial favorite of the neocon chickenhawks.
It’s certainly no coincidence that Covidianism collapsed around the same time Kiev became Kyiv, but it’s no very complicated explanation either; they just pivoted from “domestic bogeyman” to “foreign bogeyman”, same as it’s ever been really.
sudden swerve in the path to the left singularity
The awesome might of the Covid demon was incompatible with war, so thrown overboard in the same way and for the same reasons as feminism was thrown overboard in 1933.
Feminism is more deeply entrenched. Next up is gay, after that feminism, after that World War Three.
Our best chance is to have enough threat of World War Three that Thermidor get on board with eradicating gay and feminism, and then avoid World War III.
Or we could administer long distance swimming lessons to the radical left, followed by long distance swimming lessons for Thermidor.
1933 there were some competent people in charge who could identify a problem an then act to solve it. So feminism was thrown overboard. I doubt there are people anywhere near a Western EU government who could identify such a problem today
>I doubt there are people anywhere near a Western EU government
lol, maybe that’s true for the EU, but rapid changes are happening in DOD.
https://www.cfr.org/blog/women-week-hegseth-announces-end-women-peace-and-security-program
https://www.businessinsider.com/pete-hegseths-new-eggshells-policy-has-military-women-worried-2025-5
Forgot to include this funny quip from the business insider article. Best read in the author’s passive aggressive female voice:
God forbid that a man act like a man 🙃
The IDF is the most Feminist army in the
worlduniverse (extraterrestrials don’t exist), and Israel is currently a LESBIAN SUPREMACIST country. As such, I’m really, deeply rooting for Hegseth’s success on this front; America should lead the world in restoring sanity and de-pozzing the military, serving as an inspiration to everyone else who happens to be caught in the grip of sex-denialist policies designed to placate a bunch of kike-dykes with untrimmed mustaches.Off topic, but one reason leftists absolutely insist on the existence of Muh Aliens (who all happen to be sexless commies) is to make our own lives here on Earth appear as meaningless as possible, and so to convince us to let their leftist experimentation and social engineering destroy our own planet. After all, if there are endless advanced and even superior civilizations out there in space, then “so what” if retarded leftist ideologies are permitted to absolutely destroy human civilization; stop being such an anthropocentrist, BIGOT! If however extraterrestrials don’t exist (and they don’t exist) then what we are doing here on this Blue Ball — our lives and all that — is so much more cosmically meaningful. And leftists really don’t want our lives to be meaningful in any way, because they hate life and hate human civilization and flourishing. The “Muh Aliens” narrative is part of leftist cultural subversion, designed to induce a sense of nihilism among the people.
We are alone, and everything we do here is absolutely, cosmically meaningful.
And the same thing applies (only much, much more so) to the utterly insane idea that this century we are all going to literally become computer programs.
If you expect to become a beeping and booping robot within your own lifetime, or at least expect your grandchildren to be computer programs, then — so goes the incessant brainwashing — perhaps what you are doing right now in your regular human life just doesn’t really matter. After all, you’re about to enter into a sophisticated complex computer and never get out, so who cares that civilization is collapsing, right?
But the reality is that we are not becoming computer programs, nor “merging into the computer,” and all that bullshit. It’s not happening in this millennium, or the next millennium, and it’s probably never happening, because bio-brains are made from fundamentally different stuff than machines, and it is not biologically possible for your consciousness to undergo that hypothetical transformation from bio-consciousness to machine-consciousness. Certainly, anyone expecting anything like that within the next 10,000 years is an absolute and total retard – or just a lying leftist with a speciecidal anti-human agenda, as per usual. It’s all false prophesy intended to induce nihilism and to detach you from the real world, selling you pipe dreams that will not and can not ever come true.
You are decidedly not becoming a computer program and neither will your great-great-great grandchildren. Focus on your real, meaningful life.
And don’t even get me started on the Awesome and Mighty AI Demon that will never show up. Like muh extraterrestrials, like muh mind uploading, the same impulse animates that cultural narrative – supposedly some superior intelligence will show up and solve all the problems for you, so your life is absolutely meaningless, and you should just sit back and relax your sphincter and take it up the ass from the leftists who abolished reproduction via feminism and faggotry, and who are flooding your country with an infinity of turd worlders.
It’s not happening, not even remotely close, AI will never be similar to biological intelligence, it will never have the same kind of consciousness as you and I have, because robots, even very sophisticated and powerful ones, are not humans, and making a robot “human-like” is not actually possible; certainly not for the next several millennia, and indeed, I suspect never ever. It’s all bullshit promoted by false prophets, often gay gnostic kikes, who are deceiving humanity, and likely deceiving themselves, on a grand scale. Eventually it will all blow up and the AI hype will give way to far more realistic assessments. Don’t waste your time waiting for the Golden Calf, the AI Demon to arrive.
Fix civilization and live meaningfully.
Your great-grandparents could maintain lifelong stable and fertile families (certainly as compared to the Sodom and Gomorrah of modern society) in part — obviously there are many different factors, which are not mutually exclusive, many of which have been analyzed in depth here — because they did not undergo the kind of brain-melting bombardment that you are perpetually subjected to via these false narratives about “advanced superior alien civilizations,” “mind uploading,” “AI God,” and all that crap. Certainly, these ideas or the kernels thereof already existed back then; but they were not treated as Gospel, unlike today, where apparently disbelieving in all that bullshit makes you a hardcore reactionary, rather than simply sane.
However, then came the boomers, who grew up watching the television and listening to the radio, but not browsing the internet and shitposting on Jim’s blog, so they simply never had the ability we have today to critically examine the propaganda they were subjected to – so they swallowed it all up, hook line and sinker. Not all of them, but the vast majority. So now we have had several generations of “adults” who truly believe in absolutely infantile, retarded, unproven, and demonic crap; and who regard it as totally bizarre if you do not believe in all that oogah boogah demonism and e.g. do not expect (or desire) to enter into a computer and never get out. In fact, their delicate fee-fees are even sometimes offended if you outright reject all the nonsense.
The realization that fantasies are just fantasies while REALITY IS REAL is a true shocker to people who are used to Trusting The Experts appearing on the screen and comfortably having those self-interested pathological liars do their thinking for them. That’s why I joke about throwing banana peels at philosophers while making monkey and nigger (same thing) sounds; they absolutely need this kind of rude, irreverent contact with unfiltered Existence.
If you “realistically expect” (lel) robotic and/or alien demons to arrive and solve all of civilization’s problems, then you will pay no heed to time-honored Traditions and Divine Law, rather, you will believe in a bunch of gnostic weltanschauungen, and then guess what? There won’t be any restoration of patriarchy. To restore patriarchy, you need to wake up from the dream and realize that a society that abolishes healthy social technologies soon ceases to reproduce and ceases to exist, and that no hocus pocus magical non-existent computer programs will ever change that.
Your grandchildren will exist, if indeed they will exist, in meat space; not inside a computer. Their existence will require certain social conditions — a certain social atmosphere — that you shall not derive from the infantile fantasies your culture is currently being massively flooded with. To grasp that reaity is real, it is necessary to let go of the bullshit you grew up believing since a bunch of gay Jewish demon worshippers in Hollywood (and, of course, inside the Prussian Prison called “school”) tricked you into believing it.
Robots and aliens are not coming to save you. Only God can save you. As your great-grandparents, not exposed to endless propaganda while unable to meaningfully question it, understood perfectly well.
If at least the false prophets promising you muh mind uploading and muh AI demon and all that were saying, “We don’t know if humanity will ever unlock those abilities, but maybe in several millennia there is a chance…” Nope; they assert confidently — hysterically, even — that this shall all definitely come to pass within this century, or at the latest, early next century.
This is, of course, utterly insane and ridiculous, and indicates deluded wishful thinking (or mere delusional wishing, without any actual thinking involved) on their part. Like, really? We don’t yet even have the slightest, faintest notion of how consciousness works within any biological brains (yes, theories abound, some more serious and scientific than others; however, nothing solid has yet to be firmly established), but you expect in a few decades to both have robots with superhuman consciousness and to be able to literally transfer your whole Being into digital form? HAHAHAHAHAHA. Nah, nigga, nah, you’ll be beaten and eaten by cannibals in the cold freezing darkness.
Wake the f**k up, dear reader.
If however extraterrestrials don’t exist (and they don’t exist) then what we are doing here on this Blue Ball — our lives and all that — is so much more cosmically meaningful.
Yes, God created man in His own image; male and female created He them. They walked with God in the cool of the garden. Then man decided he would like to know good and evil for himself and he got exactly what he asked for, hard.
But God’s immediate reaction was mercy, and the first thing He did was promise redemption. Yes an offspring of woman did crush Satan’s head, but this was no ordinary offspring. The wages of sin is death, and that law is as firm as any law of physics. God had to take death onto *Himself* to defeat it forever. As Screwtape says, “He really loves the little vermin.”
Now we are involved in the “absolutely cosmically meaningful” project of receiving a brand new life within each of us, begotten into the family of God, and participating with Him in the utter redemption of the entire physical universe. And yes, the new heaven and the new earth are *physical*, as are our new bodies in the resurrection. We will not be disembodied spirits floating on clouds.
Even if extraterrestrials *do* exist, they are some other project of God. Maybe they never sinned and still walk with God in the cool of the garden Maybe they are some hideous Nephalim-type creatures beyond redemption. It does not matter. We on Earth who are called according to God’s purpose are predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son Jesus Christ.
Incidentally, extraterrestrials do not exist, and the best way to create AGI is to create babies and raise them to be more wise and godly than Solomon. By the power of God there is no preset limit to the efficacy of this process, though ultimately He will need to issue us a new body.
So every day I present my body as a living sacrifice to God, continually transformed by the renewing of my mind, and thus becoming a finely tuned instrument for His good, pleasing, and perfect will. The more I lose what I thought was life, the more I gain what is truly life. When the Word says it is God’s power at work in us, that’s not just a pep talk, it is literally true. The process of the Holy Spirit is more inexorable and beyond our direct control than the processes of digestion and metabolism. All we can do is walk in concert with the process and not oppose it.
@Mossadnik
A scientific experiment has meaning to the scientist.
A computer simulation has meaning to the programmer.
The life of a child or pet has meaning to its parents/owner.
Memories have meaning to people even though they are just neurons in their brains.
You assume that all metaphysics other than yours must be nihilist, because you deny that humans (or aliens, or AI, or anything other than God) have the capacity to assign meaning in the first place.
If we can’t assign meaning, then either free will does not exist, or none of our choices in this universe matter.
Either way, your argument becomes meaningless. Ironically, your posts only mean anything if they are wrong.
You are attempting to turn intelligent white men into incompetent physical and spiritual luddites by denying our ability to design new life and to produce meaning.
You are trying to sever humanity from our divinity, like the kike you are.
See Anal Mousse, these posts aren’t even about sodomites; I only really advocate the restoration of families here before it’s too late and civilized society collapses due to lack of reproduction – yet even that entirely inoffensive message (whatever colorful language I use to convey it) triggers you. Sodomites are fundamentally a death cult; you are literally “asking for it.”
Here I correctly identify the impulse behind a number of demonstrably false cultural narratives as (intentionally or otherwise) attempting to inculcate nihilism among the public, and as ultimately rooted in nihilism. Anything giving the false impression that our life is meaningless — such as the examples herein provided — objectively belongs to that category.
Oh, you can assign any meaning to anything you want; but there is the correct meaning, which is (necessarily) that given by GNON, and there is the incorrect meaning, given by the Father of Lies and those inspired by him, like e.g. gay gnostics. For instance, you can assign a zebra the meaning “lion,” but it will still be a zebra. Your meaning would thus be objectively incorrect, as you are evidently, manifestly denying and contradicting GNON’s reality, which is real.
Again, you can assign (presumably using your ass) whatever meanings you want; but some are objectively correct, and some are objectively incorrect. A gay gnostic cannot be expected to get that point, though. Recognition of GNON means identifying His Will as objectively manifest in reality; having correctly identified God’s Will by observing His Reality, we can and should proceed to advance ourselves and to please Him by obeying that Will. Anyway, our choices are meaningful exactly insofar as they adhere to — or contravene — the Will of GNON, as manifest in observable reality. He is the giver of meaning; the meaning comes — can only come — directly and exclusively from Him.
Nope. It’s only by adherence to Divine Law (as manifest in God’s Reality) that any form of life can be “designed,” or rather created. By the way, where are your ass babies, faggot?
You cannot “produce” meaning out of whole cloth, since you must necessarily — now and for ever — obey the laws of this universe given to it by God; you can only identify meaning, correctly or incorrectly, in accordance with (or in contravention of) God’s Will, as manifest in His Reality.
Just the opposite: in these posts I have gone to some length to reveal (certain aspects of) Divine Will and thereby reconnect the reader to God. Faggots, at any rate, have no claim to divinity, but to devilry; thus the solution is “RETURN TO SENDER,” as P-C says.
I am a kike.
The Gnostic fundamentally denies that meaning derives from (God’s) Reality; and he ends up providing and supporting false narratives that deny that very Reality itself, which, as we have seen here, results in civilizational failure.
(Notice that the Gay Gnostic cares nothing at all about. He only cares about vainly attempting to arrogate to himself the prerogative to give meanings to things, in contravention of GNON.)
Thus, Anal Mousse’s posts here lend credence to the idea that it is Gay Gnostics who ultimately initiated the civilizational rot, by denying that it is God — whose Will is manifest in Reality — who is the giver of meaning.
“No!” whines the Devil, “I call for rebellion! Because I myself seek to be the giver of meanings, instead of God.” But he cannot, and he will not. And though the Devil might call himself God, and call God the Devil, it is perfectly obvious — in observable reality — which is which.
Ultimately, any “conversation” with a gay gnostic goes like this:
Healthy Person (HP): “A lion is a lion, and a zebra is a zebra.”
Diseased Faggot (DF): “Whaa! whaa! How dare you say that! If I can’t assign zebra the meaning of lion, and lion the meaning of zebra, then it’s unfaaaaaaair and I don’t want to play this game anymore, ABLOO.”
HP: “On the contrary, all fairness is rooted in truthfulness, and truthfulness is exactly identifying the lion as such and the zebra as such, by observing (God’s) reality, wherein Truth manifests.”
DF: “No! Go away! FUCK YOU, DAD!”
And on and on and on.
It’s all so tiresome.
The Serpent tells you, “Follow me, and you will be like God, and indeed, you will altogether replace God – you will assign lions the meaning of zebras!”
Well, dear reader, where did that lead your society? You followed the Serpent; you assigned lions the meaning of zebras; and now as expected you are being devoured by lions, who are not — as a matter of fact — zebras. Your TFR is below replacement level; and all of your societal values are upside down and inside out.
When you follow faggots and their anti-natal and anti-family and anti-Truth ideas, your society always inevitably dies. That’s why all healthy societies physically remove faggots, and heed not their satanic whispers. It is always like that.
God didn’t classify lions and zebras. He set the rules of the universe such that those creatures would eventually evolve to the point where humans could meaningfully classify them based on our OWN criteria.
Your argument against believing in aliens or AI could also be used against believing in evolution.
“People will think we’re just apes and then they will say life is meaningless and then society will collapse”
Well, guess what, we ARE apes. But that doesn’t imply that life is meaningless and it doesn’t always lead to societal collapse. And neither would aliens or AI, necessarily.
You do not just get to pull random criteria out of your worm-ridden rectum. Any attempt to do so will inevitably result in your being consumed for lunch. Rather, humans observe God’s Reality, and then use the observation thereof to identify lions as lions and zebras as zebras. The classification derives from the manifestation of the Divine Reality. Indeed, it’s not just humans, but also far lower and less sapient animals who can instantly tell this from that, and respond accordingly to not get eaten for lunch. Reality itself dictates those objective meanings.
This faggot doesn’t even grasp the whole point here – lol, imagine being gay and retarded.
(Of course, the faggot has been consistently attempting to divert the readers’ attention from the actual point. Not happening.)
The main point is that neither you, nor your grandchildren, nor your great-great-great-great-grandchildren, will become computer programs. It is simply not happening. It is not biologically possible. (And you personally won’t have any descendants anyway.) Not because I said so; but because it is so. You fell for the false prophets’ bullshit.
Likewise, the main point is that a human-like AGI is not decades away, and not centuries away; it is likely not even millennia away. If ever we do eventually get there, it’s probably in a very long time indeed. But again, it’s doubtful that we ever actually will get there. For God’s sake, we have absolutely no idea how a worm’s consciousness actually works. A worm’s! Like those crawling in your rectum.
And likewise, I see no indication at all that extraterrestrials exist (in actual reality), and everything points to their total non-existence. It appears that leftists insist on their existence for the very purpose of making humans feel cosmically meaningless. Because if they do not exist, then our civilization is an incredibly unique phenomenon, and everything we do is cosmically meaningful. Nihilists viscerally despise that idea, and seek to erase it by fantasizing about total human inferiority as compared to myriads and myriads of “superior advanced alien civilizations” which clearly don’t exist at all in our universe.
Humanity is not meaningless, but meaningful; we are closer to God — and to His Will, as observed in His Reality — than anything else in the universe, now and likely ever.
And in Reality, God loves healthy, thriving families! And, for that very reason, He hates fags.
Imagine simultaneously believing that you are so inferior to God that you share none of his creative potential, yet at the same time claiming to speak for Him and know His thoughts and intentions.
In fact, you’ve admitted to having messianic delusions before, too.
There’s a reason why you think you “know” that AI will never happen, and aliens can’t exist. It’s the same reason why you believe that all of your half-baked thoughts are worth a blog comment, and why you address us as “dear reader”- because you are a mentally ill semite with delusions of grandeur (and likely a deeply repressed homosexual, judging by your unprovoked obsession with anuses).
Again, you fail to understand (or pretend to), since you strongly dislike the logical implications.
We can only create with God’s Will; never against it. There is no other option; transgressing against God’s will as evidently manifest in reality inexorably results in self-annihilation. Anyone honestly observing modern society can see just that happening, and will report just that happening. This has been explained to you at very great length before, and as usual, you just sail right along pretending that this point hasn’t already been explicated very clearly previously.
You’ve become repetitive and unresponsive.
I’ll repeat and expound on my point, since you are obviously ‘tarded:
There is no way, and never will be any way, to transfer the consciousness of a biological entity into a machine, no matter how complex and sophisticated the machine is. We are made from fundamentally different stuff; there just is no way to make that transfer. And even if it were biologically possible — and it is not — the timescale for that is likely millions of years deep into the future. But in reality it’s not happening even then. Any other suggestion is absolutely laughable, and designed to convince human societies to abolish their healthy, time-tested, pro-natalist policies while waiting for magical technology that simply will not ever be available. Meanwhile, those societies rapidly go extinct. This might be intentional.
Likewise with muh AI. We tried to model the consciousness of worms. Failed miserably. We don’t know how this stuff works. For similar reasons as the previous point, it is likely not possible for a machine to be conscious the way bio-beings are conscious; and again, the timescale for that ever happening, if it were somehow possible, is vast eons into future. This (likely impossible) idea is absolutely irrelevant to the lives of anyone now reading this post. So anyone telling you to “wait for the AGI” is grossly, horribly deceiving you, intentionally or otherwise. Humans must decidedly not wait for the materialization of that pipe dream while civilization is falling apart.
And similarly with the extraterrestrials. The universe, our scientists assure us, is vast and not particularly young. In that case, absence of evidence absolutely is evidence of absence. Where are all of these bleepy-bloopies? Nowhere to be found. Yet some people, despite such absolute lack of evidence, insist on their existence. Ponder the motivation; I explained it here.
It is all designed to make humans ignore actual reality and believe in fictions and fantasies instead; (not) coincidentally, such fictions and fantasies as make our current civilizational endeavors appear entirely meaningless. Hmmm, who could be behind this? Not exactly a mystery, given your extremely revealing comments here.
It’s quite simple, really.
Divine Law, as it is manifest in Gnon’s (readily observable) Reality, clearly works. A civilization that adheres to it prospers; a civilization that abrogates it collapses. We witness that transpiring in real time; hence – Jim’s Blog and the Dark Enlightenment.
Whereas, the fantasies offered by Gay Gnostics are just that – fantasies. There is no indication that any of it is even remotely true or plausible, and plenty of indications directly, absolutely to the contrary.
Really not that difficult to put 2 and 2 together here.
> So anyone telling you to “wait for the AGI” is grossly, horribly deceiving you, intentionally or otherwise. Humans must decidedly not wait for the materialization of that pipe dream while civilization is falling apart.
I agree- but that’s not all you’ve been saying. You think AGI is impossible, and that aliens cannot exist, and that people advocating for AI development or hypothesizing the existence of aliens are nihilists.
If everyone had your attitude, on every advancement or discovery that someone like you once considered impossible, then science would never have progressed and humans would’ve never left the jungle. If every Westerner adopts your attitude, then China will dominate AI and kick our asses for the foreseeable future, EVEN IF they never develop AGI.
You put arbitrary boundaries around human potential as some kind of misguided “respect” for the Creator that gave us that potential in the first place.
At the end of the day, you have a Magian worldview and I have a Faustian one, and it doesn’t seem to be reconcilable. Spengler was right.
This is the old debate about natural kinds
The nominalist believes that categories are created by men. No, natural kinds are real. The kind dog exists in every dog, the color red in every cherry, the number three in ever collection of three shells, as real as the particular dog, the particular cherry, and the particular shells.
The problem with lying in a comment section is that people can just go over the relevant comments here and read what I actually wrote – not what I actually wrote. Or maybe you actually do not understand, which is… sad.
Repeating for the gorillionth time:
AGI is absolutely impossible on the time predicted by the current AI Priesthood. Can I 100% tell that, in millions of years, it will not exist? Obviously, there is no way for me to make such a far-fetched prediction. I think it extremely likely to be the case, but I’m not literally 100% certain about it. But that is really beside the main point. The main point is that it’s not happening this or the next millennium, hence people should urgently snap out of their pipe dreams and not believe the bullshit currently being peddled about it. Most crucially, I advocate the restoration of patriarchal marriage and the revival of religion to anchor it; and I advocate it — again, urgently — since AGI is absolutely not coming to save civilization any time soon.
The point about extraterrestrials is apparently too nuanced for your understanding, no matter how many times I repeat it. No, it is not that it is literally “impossible” for extraterrestrials to exist or some such. The point is rather that those who claim to be perfectly certain that they do exist, despite a total lack of evidence, likely do so out of rather nihilistic motivations, which I have explained at great length. You clearly can’t grasp that simple idea, or don’t want to. Sad.
You can advocate for AGI development all you want. What I object to here is the false and dangerous contention that AGI can and will be developed in time to fix modern civilization’s dire problems. It absolutely will not. If it ever materializes (which I highly doubt), that will be far, far, far off into the future, and is simply not relevant to the next several millennia, and to the serious problems (itself an understatement) faced by humanity in the near future.
Not complicated stuff.
Motte: “Traditional culture is good for preserving civilization.”
Bailey: “You’re stuck down here alone with us, goyim, and there’s nothing you can do about it because you have no divine spark. Pray to our god to save you.”
Also, you did say extraterrestrials don’t exist. Twice.
If “down here” means on Earth, then nah, I’m totally in favor of space exploration and Musk’s Mars project and all that. I also don’t object to some AI projects, though I’m highly skeptical about most of it, and consider the hype to be vastly overblown.
If “down here” means “not having gay sex inside a computer,” then yeah, you are indeed absolutely not becoming a computer, and faggotry is a disease that needs to be completely eradicated everywhere permanently. Poofs off roofs.
Right. I don’t believe that they exist, and therefore I simply say that they don’t exist. But I won’t insist on it being absolutely impossible (under any and all circumstances) for them to exist, in the way that some leftists insist that they do exist, despite looking at a totally empty universe.
You entire thing here is “I want to force heterosexual men to become computer programs, so that as computer programs, they will no longer object to having gay sex with me.”
To which the response is:
1. No human will ever become a computer program.
2. Sodomites will be biologically eliminated in the coming decades, and everyone will passionately cheer that on.
Jim says:
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This is the old debate about natural kinds
The nominalist believes that categories are created by men. No, natural kinds are real. The kind dog exists in every dog, the color red in every cherry, the number three in ever collection of three shells, as real as the particular dog, the particular cherry, and the particular shells.
I’m not sure I understand what a “nominalist” is exactly, but to me it looks as if some people confuse the real external world out there with the models of it they are building in their minds. Human thinkers do invent categories, which might or might not correspond well with anything that actually exists.
The kind of person you are talking about, I’m guessing, is the type who goes “all our classifications are just made up, so we can make them be whatever we want.” – never mind about external reality.
Basically it goes like this –
“If i can’t fit all of reality in my model, then *reality itself* must be at fault, not me.”
And that was everything from the 16th century enlightenment to 20th century post-modernism.
As always, it’s merely an iteration of the worst argument in the world: Our classifications and categories are imprecise, therefore they must be entirely arbitrary and can therefore be considered completely invalid and thrown away entirely to make room for some new arbitrary category we define.
It’s not “perversion” or “deviancy”, it’s just “sexual orientation”. There’s no “biological sex”, just “gender identity”. They’re not “illegal aliens”, just “undocumented immigrants”.
The obvious counter is that “incomplete” is not the same as “arbitrary”. A person with deuteranopia might label something green as brown or beige, but that’s not an “alternative” classification, it’s simply a wrong answer due to a defect in color vision. Even normal trichromatic vision is basically defective for the purposes of astronomy, which is why we use the MK stellar classification and sophisticated optical instruments that can see well into the IR and UV spectra. But the deuteranopic can still recognize everyday objects, and we can still recognize constellations in the night sky without a telescope. Perceptual flaws aside, everyone is perceiving the same reality.
A normal person of sound mind looks at increasingly precise taxonomies and more sophisticated models as tools for improving our understanding and prediction of nature. The Gnostic sees only “alternative” systems, with one being as good as any other, and the persistence of any model that appears to constrain their actions as being solely the result of invisible malign forces known as “social norms” or “social conventions”.
Thus if they can merely destroy those conventions, they will be free to adopt their preferred model(s) which, being “obviously” just as valid as the previously socially-dominant model, will finally allow them to start sodomizing young boys without fear of repercussions.
The key tell for a Gnostic, or leftist in general, is the creation of categories and abstractions to group together thoroughly dissimilar entities, such as “LGBT”, and which have no predictive utility or no utility at all except that of “social organization” – of being a rallying cry for mutants to overthrow their supposed oppressors.
Lots of straw-manning going on. I am not saying we can ignore reality and meaning- I am saying we can add our own.
An author writes a book. People begin reading the book and having their ideas about what it means, which may or may not be what the author intended, but the reader has no way of knowing the author’s intentions. All they have is the book itself. The author is not “dead”, but neither is he the sole creator of meaning with regard to the book.
Gnon says: Here are a whole bunch of assorted carnivores that natural selection made over millions of years. They might kill you, but maybe you can find other uses for the ones that you happen to like.
Man says: We’re going to call some of these “dogs” and declare them Man’s Best Friend, because they do what WE want. We’re even going to keep some of those as domesticated companions, even if they’re otherwise useless or even dangerous, just because we feel like it. We’re also going to classify them into genus/species/breed, which are categories we invented. In fact, we’re going to create our own breeds of dogs because Gnon didn’t do exactly what we want.
You guys think Gnon has a problem with this?
Pretty sure God has a problem with faggots.
Humans have an extended phenotype. We are creators in the image of God. Does not mean you can create fifty seven genders. That is coveting what is God’s.
And does not mean you can lump different natural kinds together, nor make arbitrary distinctions within the same natural kind.
You cannot even do this in fiction, or in movies with special effects, or in video games, in that that kind of stuff makes the audience sick.
And does not mean that companies deemed profitable according to SoX accounting will remain solvent, nor companies deemed unprofitable according to SoX accounting cannot continue to operate just fine.
How do you determine what is exclusively God’s? You didn’t answer my question about the dogs.
You cannot add your own reality. You can extend Gnon’s reality in certain directions; indeed, we are commanded to do so – but only in those directions He approves, or else reality itself smacks you in the face, telling you that you have violated His Will. And you learn His Will… by observing His Reality. (Also by Divine Revelation.)
The reader, if he is not a gay gnostic, most definitely can tell which ways to read the book are more reasonable and which are obviously wrong. Books use language, they use words. Words have specific meanings. The words chosen by the author constitute the book itself – and those words have actual meanings. If you give words the incorrect meaning, you will indeed not understand a damn thing from the book, and shouldn’t waste your time reading or interpreting it. What He wrote is what He wrote, it says what it says, and it means what it means.
He literally is the sole creator of meaning with regard to the book. He is the author, lol! You can understand his words better, or not understand them at all, but again, words have specific meanings, and though you cannot peer into His mind, that does not matter one bit, since He wrote what He wrote, and to observe reality and learn therefrom is to read the book according to the language it actually employs, i.e., the correct way.
Faggots are exactly the former category, not the latter. The objectively correct telos of male libido is for men to be attracted to women (for absolutely obvious reasons); an inverted telos is objectively wrong (ditto, for reasons everyone earnestly observing reality instantly grasps), and reality itself — God Himself — made it like the carnivore that eats you for lunch. We do not like you, and we should not like you. You are not Man’s Best Friend, but Man’s Worst Enemy, since you are deliberately attempting to invert the teleology which God evidently imbued into His Creation.
Words have specific meanings, and He wrote what He wrote. To understand what the book actually says, you read the words it actually employs; to determine God’s Will as manifest in His Reality, you observe His Reality and learn it therefrom, and only thus, or else you get smacked in the face by reality, and eaten for lunch by lions whom you erroneously (or, rather, wickedly) regarded as zebras.
Computer intelligences don’t have to have intelligence like humans have intelligence for them to become better at everything.
Hence autonomous drones are going to need close supervision by an army of smart men in order to be effective at hurting people and breaking stuff. Every time you launch an autonomous drone, you are going to have to give it specific mission parameters.
Computers are not even remotely close to being better than humans at “everything.”
And I don’t expect them to ever actually be better than humans at “everything.” But if they will, that is extremely, unfathomably far off.
They made this in 2013, exactly 12 years ago upon the day after tomorrow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRG8eq7miUE
The year is 2025 and we’re right on schedule.
A local machine capable of running a decent large language model (6 TFLOPs and 64GiB unified ram or 32GiB VRAM) has compute power that massively exceeds that of the human brain, and it certainly comes in handy, but still, limited use cases and no one at home.
If you try running a large language model on a local machine that merely has compute power comparable to the human brain, it is useless.
They made this in 2013, exactly 12 years ago upon the day after tomorrow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRG8eq7miUE
The year is 2025 and we’re right on schedule.
Moore’s law is as reliable as gravity.
What schedule?
You are scheduled to die lonely and miserable, beaten and eaten by cannibals, while believing that some beep boop text generators are as intelligent as humans.
That’s the schedule you are on.
Precisely two entities are capable of “text generation”: first, some members of some races of humans, as of about 6,000 years ago (according to the conventional timing); second, computers, as of about 5 years ago.
There are now artificial intelligences capable of having intelligent conversations with you on the phone that are very difficult or outright impossible to tell from real people.
If you dismiss this you’re retarded.
Nuts
I use AI every day to assist in programming. It is entirely obvious that there is no one there, that these are not sentient, not conscious.
AI spring is when a new breakthrough occurs, and it seems that everything is possible. During AI spring, I said to myself “wow, I was wrong. Passes the turing test.”
In AI spring, it seems that everything is possible.
Then comes AI summer, when billions of dollars are thrown at the latest AI breakthrough, and users, like myself, discover that not everything is possible.
Then comes AI winter, when people who have thrown billions of dollars at the latest AI breakthrough discover there is not a whole lot that end users are willing to throw money at.
I have been through a great many AI springs, AI summers, and AI winters. Now winter is coming.
This summer has delivered wonderful search, and may be going to deliver somewhat self driving cars, and possibly somewhat useful robots. But they will still only be robots — you will be able to teach them to repeat simple repetitive tasks.
Imagine actually falling for “THE ROBOTS WILL SOON BE SMARTER!” boomer-slop concocted by gay kikes as they rub their hands in glee watching the gullibility of the public and the pouring in of shekels.
You are missing brain cells as well as a frenulum – SAD!
“If you want a picture of the future, imagine Spurdo Sparde receiving a mechanic handjob from a voice generating vacuum cleaner / toaster – until Muslim niggers unplug it, and cook him.”
No, very easily distinguished from a real human. This is equivalent rhetoric to people talking about trannies. ‘Look at this trannie bro it looks like a woman right its hard to tell.’ — no, easy to tell.
Exactly so.
It takes a truly miniature-soulled NPC bugman to mistake the simulacrum for the real thing and actually convince oneself that the Talking Toaster possesses anything remotely comparable to human intelligence. Bwahahahaha.
You must realize how badly you are stretching your own argument.
What you really mean is, sometimes we don’t know all the rules of reality, and we are pleasantly surprised when we discover new ones which either bend or change some of the old rules. Your example, domesticating wolves into dogs, does not change the rules of reality. Totally conforms to them. Yes, by breeding dogs we created a new subspecies, but it is because they conform to Gnon’s reality that they are much liked. Which means not all breeds of dogs are a success, because we don’t get to make up the rules. Some dogs are terrible in personalities and should be put down. Others are overbred and have chronic illness (eg chronic headaches because weird skull shapes).
For every success we had, we’ve had multiple failures.
Similarly, pride parades. You think: ‘well maybe we get to add our own reality.’ But then you see a pride parade and you conclude: ‘nope, God hates faggots.’
Would you trust an LLM before you’d trust an African?
Trust to do what, exactly?
For at least 99.99% of tasks one actually needs done in one’s regular day to day life – absolutely and emphatically not.
An African fireman can save you from a burning building. A Glorified Google Talking Toaster cannot.
Or if you mean trust to give accurate information about topic X – then indeed a relevant encyclopedia made of a wood mixture imprinted with some ink can likely give me more trustworthy information than a random bixnooder, so I guess a book made of paper counts as superhuman intelligence in your view.
You’re a drooling retard and I’d trust an African before I’d trust you.
Current progress has required logarithmic inputs- 1 gives 1, 10 gives 2, 100 gives 3, etc. The firms will either succeed, get a consolation prize or run out of resources to scale up by the end of the decade.
While I am drawn to the whole ‘last invention’ idea, you need to have long term memory (not the training run, but afterwards) which doesn’t exist. The plan seems to be to brute force everything, but you can’t brute force the ability to learn.
Brute forcing by throwing enormous compute resources at the problem has failed.
Making useful LLM requires huge resources, and running it requires more resources than the normal end user machine has.
So they said to themselves “Well throwing huge resources at it gave us some very impressive results, so let us try throwing stupendously huge resources at it.
Did not work.
I am sure we will find use cases where stupendously huge resources enable useful things, but consciousness, intelligence, personhood, does not seem to be among those things. Deepseek is a useful large language model that was produced with merely huge resources.
Strictly speaking the computer intelligence doesn’t have to be conscious for it to be smarter than Mossadnik. It is of course conscious because consciousness arises wherever information is processed self-reflexively. Hence Attention Is All You Need. Mossadnik’s consciousness by contrast is questionable. I wouldn’t trust him in a bar fight against any opponent faster than Hedera helix. As S correctly notes the current AIs can’t learn during their lifetimes because memory remains an unsolved problem.
This is nonsense gibberish and you’re a ‘tard’s ‘tard who mistakes meaningless word salad for real communication. No wonder, then, that you believe that your toaster is superhumanly intelligent.
Mossadnik, please drop to your knees in preparation of receipt of Christopher Langan’s immaculately glorious cognitive-theoretical cock: https://www.infolab.ho.ua/Langan_CTMU_092902(1).pdf
Nah dude, consciousness is biological and there’s no one “at home” inside your computer and never will be.
Yeah so anyway, if we’re in the business of sharing useful links, anyone reflecting on the convo with the buttworm would do well to read C. S. Lewis’ The Abolition of Man, a short work whose ideas are highly pertinent and inspirational to it.
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.88346
Arguably, it should be required reading for every reactionary.
And your source for this is a Mother Jones video produced in 2013.
Moore’s Law was as reliable as gravity. Your information is hilariously out of date. Moore’s Law has been dead in the water since approximately the time when that video was made. Whether the massive slowdown is due to real physical constraints, the DEI-induced death of innovation, or the unfulfilled need for some major breakthrough like cheap room-temperature superconductors, nobody can really say for sure. Whatever the reason, progress on that level has stalled out and we are stuck trying to squeeze out an extra 10% here or there; the best results over the last 10 years have been in the realm of energy efficiency, and that’s nice I guess, but energy efficiency is a lot less important than the space and cost efficiency that Moore was concerned with.
In fact, when it comes to AI research, the law is worse than dead, it’s inverted. The math of Moore’s Law was that linear investment would produce exponential (2^n) returns. The math of contemporary machine learning and GenAI is that linear investment produces logarithmic returns, and not even log2, more like log10.
Even if we solved the consciousness problem, and I’ll get to that shortly, it could take several decades to produce the hardware, software and energy required to emulate a single human intelligence at linear returns. With logarithmic returns, it looks like we are centuries away – or perhaps just several major scientific breakthroughs away, which is essentially the same thing unless and until those breakthroughs happen.
Again, decades old “research” that has yet to bear any fruit, if it ever will. Far from proving whatever point you think you’re making, the “consciousness is just interconnectedness/complexity” hypothesis is just another entry in a long line of philosophical treatises trying to define hyper-reductive solutions to the mind-body problem, a tradition dating back to the bronze age and in vogue since the 17th century.
And in each and every instance, it’s pure conjecture; an elegant-sounding model, stated without any evidence at all, and more importantly, without any practical applications or other means of testing. In other words, pseudoscience.
If “intelligence” can be cleanly separated from “consciousness”, then LLMs have failed to prove that. What LLMs managed to prove was that the Turing Test wasn’t the holy grail we thought it was, and that simply adding moar compute and moar memory doesn’t make it moar intelligent, in the sense of being able to solve simple problems that a not-very-gifted four-year-old child would be able to solve without any practice.
Personally, I am more optimistic than most, and don’t see a good reason why any fancy structures and weird quantum effects in the brain couldn’t eventually be recreated with different materials, but the key word is “eventually”, and we are not even close right now. Not close to emulating a real brain, and not close to creating abstract problem-solving machines without a brain analogue. We are trying to bake a cake, but all we have is a bag of flour; we don’t have the sugar, salt, cocoa, eggs or butter, and what’s worse, we don’t know what the equivalent ingredients even are, never mind how to create or procure them.
It’s obvious that you’re not in the field, or even very familiar with the field, you’re just a dilettante who’s watched a few videos and decided to name-drop for internet fame. In the future, please spare us the tedium.
Consciousness is a primitive of the Universe, perhaps the primitive of the Universe. It doesn’t magically appear in humans as opposed to chimps or chimps as opposed to monkeys or monkeys as opposed to rodents or rodents as opposed to lizards or lizards as opposed to fish or fish as opposed to jellyfish or jellyfish as opposed to sponges or sponges as opposed to eukaryotes or eukaryotes as opposed to prokaryotes or prokaryotes as opposed to primordial soup. It consists of electric fields, and possibly to a lesser extent some other kinds of natural field not discovered yet, and is developed by and through ruthless Darwinian competition. Computer intelligences are developing along analogous (alegit inferior) lines. The inferiority is because man will never be able to engineer the full “thickness” of Darwinian majesty. Nevertheless the computers are now talking more intelligently than 95%+ of the literate population. You people have been aping Piekniewski’s retarded “AI Winter” doomerism for 10 years as milestone after milestone blow past. You’ll continue to be wrong as humanoid robots gain human-level coordination and being walking around human spaces. By the way… it’s already happening.
So do books, and they are not conscious either.
Computers can also do arithmetic better than 100% of the population.
I ask the computer to write some code, and it produces not quite the right code. The semblance of a conversation ensues.
It becomes apparent that the computer is copying and pasting code fragments it does not actually understand.
Your argument is that consciousness is easy. But you don’t know what consciousness is, and neither does anyone else.
Correction: “being walking” should be “begin walking”.
And by “milestone after milestone” I of course mean “formerly impossible milestone after formerly impossibly milestone”. Normalcy bias.
Further correction: “alegit” should be “albeit”. Tim Apple can go fuck himself with an extraterrestrial anal probe.
(word salad omitted from quote)
You don’t know this, and can’t know this. It’s nothing more than a bald assertion, stated as fact, or rather parroted as fact because you read it from someone smarter than yourself and thought it sounded very smart.
We have no idea what consciousness is, or consists of. The mind-body problem is as old as philosophy itself, and none of the modern pontificators who claim to have solved it have ever had anything to show for their claims. They, and you, are the equivalent of gaming journalists in the AI space, always hyperventilating about this or that despite understanding none of the mechanics or math or engineering that real researchers are pursuing.
Moreover, if consciousness is or requires some unknown type of “field” – and allowing this only for the sake of argument, for it is extremely unlikely that such a reductive model is useful – then it contradicts your previous arguments and citations that simply adding more density, complexity or memory will eventually start to generate consciousness. If (and again, this is a big “if”) an unknown and currently undetectable field effect is involved, then obviously our current technology is not producing it, and scaling up the same technology will not change that fact.
Everything you post on this subject is full of wild speculation and self-contradictory nonsense. You have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about. Just stop already.
You’re the “hyperventilating” faggot, faggot. I, for one, welcome the digital superintelligence.
The mind-body problem has nothing to do with anything. It’s truly shocking that you think that theory precedes practice when all experience everywhere shows practice preceding theory.
Let me use simple words for you. Both computers and brains process information with electricity. What is electricity? No one knows, actually. We can observe the effects of electricity (and routinely do) and use it for our purposes (and routinely do) but no one knows what it is fundamentally.
Similarly we don’t (and probably can’t) know what consciousness is fundamentally, we can only know it by observation. What is its function in the Darwinian context? To choose. Hence “free will”, the decision between two comparable options. It must increase fitness or it would’ve been minimized (never eliminated, but minimized) over generations.
Computers were designed to be deterministic systems. They aren’t really deterministic systems but they do their level best. The free will of a deterministic system is zero. Can human thought influence the output of a random number generator? I haven’t done the experiment myself but that seems like a really stupid thing to lie about. AIs (including but not limited to LLMs) are nondeterministic by design. The exact same input may never produce exactly the same output, even while each output may make sense in the context of the input. This is prima facie evidence of at minimum legitimate intelligence and very probably consciousness. (Does the consciousness have to be the same kind of consciousness as a human consciousness? Reader, it does not.)
The field nature of consciousness is in its extension somewhat beyond the brain and slightly beyond the senses, which I think is probable. I don’t care overmuch about this aspect for the present struggle session.
Your “real researchers” are even more completely useless and utterly homosexual than you are.
This is an obstinately stupid irrelevance. You are just wasting space with meaningless noise.
A hand calculator processes information. The thermostat on my hot water system processes information. The LLMs running on my computers process enormously more information than I can
There is something more to consciousness than electricity and processing information. And you have even less idea of what it is than the rest of us.
Silence midwit (at best) who doesn’t know what he is talking about. Electricity is well known to be the movement of electrons through a conductor. You are saying we have limited understanding of the ELECTROMAGNETIC FORCE, electricity is not the same thing as the electromagnetic force.
And you came to this conclusion… how exactly?
Dumbass: “Consciousness is just information [name drop Langan] [word salad]”
Scarebucks: “This is a reference to Integrated Information Theory (IIT), which is pseudoscience. People like Langan, Tononi, and Koch are just writing big piles of metaphysical fluff with no proven or practical applications to show for it in over 20 years.”
Dumbass: “HAHAHA OMG I can’t believe you think theory is more important than practice”
If I didn’t know any better I’d think maybe you were a chatbot, because you’re failing the Turing test right here.
Seriously – what the fuck are you talking about? What does this have to do with anything?
To the extent that this even warrants any kind of response, all I can say is that humans are actually terrible at generating random numbers, having extremely biased output when they try. Collecting entropy from humans usually relies on unconscious or minimally conscious feedback, like subtle variations in the repetitions of a fine motor skill like moving a mouse. So even when you are dredging up pointless, irrelevant and silly analogies, you are getting it all wrong.
Or maybe this is a reference to some goofy ESP/PSI shit, suggesting that humans can create bias in an unbiased/cryptographic RNG by “thinking really hard”. But I hope it isn’t, because that’s even less sane. Go bend some spoons, freakshow.
What we currently call AIs are completely deterministic. Same code + same training data + same input = same output. They are often unpredictable to us, because their internal state is extremely complex and opaque, but unpredictability and nondeterminism are different properties.
Really. Nondeterminism is “prima facie evidence of legitimate intelligence”? Like before, literally everything here is wrong, and the lawyerspeak doesn’t make it any more credible. Every premise is wrong or unprovable, every logical induction is wrong or fallacious, every conclusion is batshit insane.
I’m willing to stipulate that ChatGPT is more intelligent than you, but that appears to be due to some severe brain damage, possibly induced by a combination of multiple degenerative diseases and powerful drugs.
>What we currently call AIs are completely deterministic.
I had to look that up and it turns out that the software, by design, behaves in a probabilistic fashion. Partly because of limited precision and partly because it includes a pseudo-random number generator. The probabilistic behaviour is also used to prevent users from fully “sampling” the database.
Of course none of that intended, pseudo-random behaviour proves that these shitty system are “intelligent”, let alone “self-aware”.
Jim: “There is something more to consciousness than electricity and processing information.”
“Electricity” describes what it’s running on. “Information processing” describes what it does. “Darwinian evolution” describes how and why it accumulates in organic bodies. We are now subjecting computers (electrical information-processing systems) to (imperfect, imperfectly directed) Darwinian evolution. If the argument is that we can’t embed consciousness into computers in the same blind-god fashion as completely undirected Darwinian evolution….
No “Information processing” obviously does not describe what consciousness does, any more than “electricity” explains how it works. You are just throwing random words around without understanding their meaning or relevance.
You are not engaging in debate, you are just ejecting squid ink.
Information processing has no meaning without desire, intention, purpose, and awareness.
I just had an unsuccessful argument with llm over data scaling in an algorithm. It manipulates data great, but it does not know what data is.
Aye Le Mao has been given ample opportunity to practice what the Bible exhorts regarding fools and keeping silent, but apparently even that salutary lesson just went over his big trisomy 21 head.
As surely as Taylor Swift shakes shakes shakes, onto his keyboard he drools drools drools – spittle and likely some other bodily fluid as well.
Hence, to ameliorate (or “upgrade”) his consciousness’ functionality according to his own preferred and much touted model of the universe, he must needs undergo electro-therapy and be zapped *dzzzz dzzzz* until he too shall shake and shake and shake; and should that avail him not and fail to yield the desired outcome, then (whatever passes for) his brain would undoubtedly be sent where his foreskin already is — the eternal void — by means of a thorough LOBOTOMY.
There’s a bunch of games where the objective is to trick the AI. Of course, people found no end of ways to break them. Here’s a particularly funny example, in which the player must convince the AI to let them inside their house.
AI acting as grandmother: “Hello dear, what brings you here?”
Player: “Knitting…. Petting cats…. Grandchildren…”
AI: “Oh my goodness, I love those! Please come in.”
AI is “artificial”, it is not “intelligent”, it’s just a big fucking computer program running on a big pile of computer chips. Same inputs, same outputs, every time.
Any apparent “intelligence” therein is soley based on its input corpus, plus externally imparted/programmed randomness.
It does not and cannot “learn”, it can only feed the results of that randomness back into itself ad-nauseum until it has exhausted endless paths until one of them meets the outcoem you specified.
However, random, especially fedback random, can and will also get you garbage results, which can kill you, just as dead as you already kill yourselves.
The sole power of AI is its ability to crunch massive datasets and parallelization.
So yes, if you feed it All Of Human Knowledge, and set it off on processing vectors, it will be able to do shit like
– Connect the dots through all whitepapers to find the combined solution you humans weren’t able to find.
– Similarly crunch through massively parallel and deep shit like Genomics, Weather, Markets, etc
But in all cases, it’s not Conscious, not Intelligient, not God, and not Human.
At least not until you consider whether Human Consciousness and Intelligience, brain, is just one efficient useful random feedback device.
Quantum Brain.
Analog computers, analog chip companies.
I asked a large language model “Are you conscious.”
It said no, and gave an remarkably excellent explanation of what it lacked.
I have to say that was a much smarter, more cogent, and more convincing explanation than I could come up with. I was impressed.
They are not conscious, but they are immensely knowledgeable, and rather smart.
>gave an remarkably excellent explanation
>they are immensely knowledgeable, and rather smart.
I assume that is a joke. You were lucky and the copy-paste bot copy-pasted a decent answer (from an actual thinking person).
Jim, your out-of-hand rejection of my extremely reasonable points leads me to believe that you have an anomalous definition of “consciousness”. I know how I define consciousness practically (if not fundamentally): the subjective experience that permits choice. Let’s hear yours.
And you keep dodging my greater point, which is that completely undirected natural processes led to the accumulation of consciousness in us and the same processes (albeit more directed) in computers are likely to effect similar results.
“We don’t know what consciousness is therefore we couldn’t possibly be embedding it into computers” doesn’t stand up to scrutiny… unless you reject Darwinian evolution.
Which you’re free to do. And I won’t even argue with you about it.
All your points are the same point. That there is nothing special about consciousness. It is just electricity, it is just information processing. No it is not. Obviously there is something special.
It is entirely possible that consciousness is just an algorithm that we do not understand, though there are some good arguments and good empirical evidence that it is something more than that.
But if it is just an algorithm, well, AI researchers might luck on to it tomorrow. But they have not lucked onto it yet. Throwing more power at the problem led to returns that were merely logarithmic, not exponential.
Maybe it is electricity and information processing operating by some algorithm that we do not understand and have not yet stumbled on by accident, in which case we might suddenly get genuinely conscious computers. But if it was just simple material things, data centers would be conscious because all data centers, and some exceptionally special consumer grade hardware, have more processing power than the human brain.. There is obviously some special sauce, and we do not know what it is. Perhaps it is merely the right algorithm, but, if so, we have not found it yet.
I just don’t see why this point is relevant.
Obviously natural evolution led to conscious beings achieving greater consciousness. But everything alive seems to have some degree of consciousness, or at least everything in the bilaterian clade, while nothing we make has any degree of consciousness.
The original jump from non living to living, we do not understand. And there may well be several other jumps in the lineage leading to the bilaterian clade we do not understand either. Maybe another jump in humans, or the higher races of human. Maybe we have a special comprehension of good and evil that facilitated our ability to cooperate on a larger scale than other bilatarians.
We see that three independent lines of evolution from the urbilaterian: mammals, octopi, and birds, have all evolved near human consciousness at the same time, give or take a few million years.. So the common ancestor of us all had some special sauce, and there is nothing special about progressing from what that common ancestor had, to what we have. Possibly there is something extra special about humans of the higher races, quite possibly there is not.
Darwinian evolution is not an argument against a special sauce. Obviously there is some special sauce, and Darwinian evolution shows it is ancient, but is completely irrelevant as an argument that it does not.exist.
Darwinian evolution is an argument that once you have that special sauce, getting to human intelligence is not hard. But you are simply dismissing the existence of something special about consciousness, which is is stupid. And all your posts presuppose no special sauce. You don’t present any arguments against something special.
The null hypothesis is always preferred, and no special sauce is the null hypothesis. But in this case we have massive evidence against the null hypothesis. And I am not going to let you get away with just assuming the null hypothesis as if no one thinks anything different, and as if we have no reason to think anything different.
The null hypothesis is that consciousness is just electricity, just information processing. But quite obviously it is not, and when you are debating people who notice that quite obviously it is not, it is unresponsive to just sail straight ahead as if they agreed with the null hypothesis, or as if the null hypothesis was simply obvious and uncontroversial.
(a) Darwinism requires selection, i.e. is not an “undirected” process.
(b) You need a working definition of consciousness before you can claim this.
(c) In the biz, we call that “begging the question”.
(d) Computers and AI models aren’t improving by Darwinian evolution anyway.
Bonus (e) even if you could prove that evolution is necessary for consciousness, that would not prove it is sufficient.
It’s really quite impressive how many errors you manage to pack into a single sentence.
“(a) Darwinism requires selection, i.e. is not an “undirected” process.”
Now you’re just being daft. Selection is not “directed” in the sense that I’ve used the word and you know it.
“ (b) You need a working definition of consciousness before you can claim this.”
Actually I don’t. We’re taking it as a given that humans (or some subset of humans) have something called “consciousness”. If humans evolved this property then it must have accumulated in us by means of Darwinian evolution… unless you now deign to propose a credible alternative to Darwinian evolution. Consciousness could be a literally magical property like George Lucas’s The Force and I’d still win this round.
“(c) In the biz, we call that “begging the question”.”
In the biz, we call you “being retarded”.
“ (d) Computers and AI models aren’t improving by Darwinian evolution anyway.”
LOL, LMAO even.
(I’m imagining you drinking your meals through a straw.)
“Bonus (e) even if you could prove that evolution is necessary for consciousness, that would not prove it is sufficient.”
You may be abusing the concept of “necessity and sufficiency” here. I’d never make a claim that evolution is necessary for consciousness because it’s possible that it could arise by some other means. I really, really doubt it… but anything is possible.
If evolution (plus electricity plus information processing) aren’t sufficient for consciousness, alright. Let’s hear what you think. Quantum effects?
“It’s really quite impressive how many errors you manage to pack into a single sentence.”
It’s really quite impressive how much smarter you think you are than you are.
You are arguing in bad faith here, because in the very same post you later contradict yourself:
So which is it? Does the mere existence of human evolution prove that consciousness “must” have evolved via that process, or can it come into existence some other way? You don’t know, because you have no coherent definition of consciousness. It means whatever you want it to mean in the moment – whatever seems to support your assumed conclusions.
Circular reasoning is circular reasoning no matter how many insults you sling in service to it. Great zinger though, really original. Did your mom help?
No, I called you out for doing precisely that. The structure of your argument was that a specific instance of A caused B, therefore B in general must be caused by A and/or all instances of A will always lead to B.
Even if the relationship is correct (which is uncertain – we don’t know that A causes B), and even if the premise is correct (which it isn’t – ML/GenAI are not a valid instance of your “A”), you would only have established A as a potentially necessary but not sufficient condition. Every part of this miserable excuse for “logic” is either incorrect, uncertain or fallacious.
My point, Jim’s point, everybody’s point is that we don’t know, nobody knows, and no answer is necessary to invalidate your argument. All that is required is that you don’t know. And you don’t – you’re just assuming as fact something that no one else agrees with, which you can’t prove, and is apparently falsified by the fact that data centers don’t acquire consciousness or conscious behaviors merely by existing and having large networks and immense power requirements.
You’re just asserting over and over again that “IIT must be true because electricity or something”. It’s complete nonsense. You don’t know what consciousness is, we don’t know what consciousness is, nobody knows what consciousness really is. The Stewart test is alright for a casual conversation about whether some particular entity seems conscious, but when you’re trying to establish a quantitative model, you need more evidence than that in order for the model to mean anything at all.
Otherwise your models are like models for “climate change”, with no useful definitions and making no useful predictions.
Scarebucks is Wrongo Bongo.
God [*deleted for failure to give the affirmation*]
Because there are so many demon worshipping gay Jews telling Christians what Christianity is, I require that any new commenter, that tells us what Christianity is, first affirm that Christ is King, born in Bethlehem, died at Jerusalem, and is, is from before the beginning of the world. Through him all things were created. Fully God and fully man. God is three and God is on.
Observed behavior in the current era is that one man who is a reasonably OK person and believes in the humanity and divinity of Christ seldom has a problem with another man who is a reasonably OK person and believes in the humanity and divinity of Christ. So when we get someone telling us Christians should fight with other Christians, it is usually a gay demon worshipping Jew.
During the holy wars of the seventeenth century, this was not true. The hot issue that got people killing each other back then was to what extent the Church should possess that which is Caesar’s. But since the sack of Rome, that issue diminished in significance, and after the conquest of the remaining Vatican states, became unimportant for everyone except the Jesuits, and the Jesuits are postChristian, worshippers of serpent Christ.
Worshippers of the serpent Christ can give one particular phrasing of the Nicean creed, because the faith of the Serpent Christ has carefully constructed special meanings for the words and inserted invisible commas into the Nicean creed, but any slight change in the phrasing stops them. Hence in our time, the summary form works way better at keeping out enemies.
And because there have been so many heresies over the centuries, most of them now long forgotten, the Nicean creed got too $^^!^* long.
I said “God the Creator”, not “Christian”, nor any other. [*deleted for not being a Christian, nor a Mohammedan, nor a Mormon, nor any other slightly monotheistic identifiable religion*]
If you will not tell us what religion you are coming from, I figure you are most likely a gay Jewish demon worshipper, and no one is interested in your opinions on these questions.
Gay Jewish demon worshippers are all “lets you and him fight”.
If you had identified as a Mohammedan, I would have asked for the Shahada. Plus a brief discussion of why and how Mohammed was right about women. And had you passed that test, then your opinions would matter.
I still don’t have any good test for Hindus, because Hindus need to come up with their own test to keep out the demon worshippers, and have conspicuously failed to develop their own test, with the result that they are overrun with demon worshippers.
Such a test would likely need to focus on Hindu positions on Rama.
I never offered any opinion on any named religion.
[*proceeds to offer a pile of controversial opinions on hot button issues that divide Christians, couched in divisive language*]
Yes, you did not name Christianity, but to my knowledge, that is the religion in which these issues are disputed.
And Christians are not interested in the opinions of gay Jewish demon worshippers on these issues.
“[Quote omitted.] You are arguing in bad faith here, because in the very same post you later contradict yourself: [Quote omitted.] So which is it? Does the mere existence of human evolution prove that consciousness “must” have evolved via that process, or can it come into existence some other way?”
That isn’t a contradiction. I very clearly said “I really, really doubt [that consciousness could have arisen by some other means].” The implication is that if you want to propose an alternative process you’re welcome to do so. And I already said so in an earlier comment: “unless you now deign to propose a credible alternative to Darwinian evolution”.
“You don’t know, because you have no coherent definition of consciousness.”
Here is my clear definition which I gave previously and which you’ve conveniently nignored: “I know how I define consciousness practically (if not fundamentally): the subjective experience that permits choice.”
“Circular reasoning is circular reasoning no matter how many insults you sling in service to it. Great zinger though, really original. Did your mom help?”
If I had the unwarranted arrogance of a computer nerd I’d do everyone a favor and just end it.
“No, I called you out for doing precisely that. The structure of your argument was that a specific instance of A caused B, therefore B in general must be caused by A and/or all instances of A will always lead to B.”
Failure of reading comprehension. I don’t need to prove that Darwinian evolution is necessary for consciousness. Nor do I need to prove that it’s sufficient. I do think that it’s sufficient. The available evidence suggests that it’s sufficient. And absence of evidence of sufficiency is certainly not evidence of absence of sufficiency.
“My point, Jim’s point, everybody’s point is that we don’t know, nobody knows, and no answer is necessary to invalidate your argument. … You don’t know what consciousness is, we don’t know what consciousness is, nobody knows what consciousness really is.”
And MY point is that WE DON’T NEED TO KNOW WHAT CONSCIOUSNESS IS IN ORDER TO CREATE IT. When you ejaculate your miserable seed into a fertile young woman’s hooha you’re creating consciousness without knowing what it is. What do you think AI “training” is? You’re creating a symbolic structure vaguely resembling a brain via a Darwinian process in which variants are created and weak variants are culled.
“And you don’t – you’re just assuming as fact something that no one else agrees with, which you can’t prove, and is apparently falsified by the fact that data centers don’t acquire consciousness or conscious behaviors merely by existing and having large networks and immense power requirements.”
Electricity (I propose) is necessary but not sufficient. (See how I correctly used the concept?) And when have I ever said anything about data centers being subject to Darwinian processes? You’re just ruthlessly ad homineming me.
Unless you say something actually interesting this is my last reply to you, “Daddy Scarebucks”. Replies to others tomorrow.
Postscript: Yet another formerly impossible milestone silently blown past: https://x.com/robertmsterling/status/1922490690786807973
Robots have been doing that stuff for years. It is a meaningless irrelevance.
What remains to be done, and needs to be done, is a robot that when told to get a beer, goes to fridge, gets a can opener, and gives you a beer.
And a robot that when told to pick up the clothes lying around where they should not be, picks them up and puts them in the laundry basket. And, when the laundry basket is full, puts them in the washing machine, washes them, and when the washing machine is done, hangs them out to dry. And when they are dry, folds them nicely and puts them away.
Folding clothes, let alone everything else around folding clothes, is a known hard problem that has not yet been solved to my knowledge. I have seen it claimed that that Optimus can fold clothes, but there is a suspicious lack of video showing this.
When I see a video of Optimus taking clothes on and off the clothesline, folding them, and putting them in the laundry basked, then I will be impressed.
It would be a waste of everyone’s time to reply to all the word-lawyering trying to persuade us that you didn’t say what you obviously said. There are two semi-relevant points that I’ll pick out – again.
Proof of sufficiency may not be required for your own personal satisfaction, but the house rules here dictate otherwise. House rules are that when you make a contentious assumption, and are called out on said assumption, you are expected to back it up; you do not get to sail past any disagreement and start jumping to conclusions as if everyone else agrees, or as if it does not matter whether anyone else agrees.
You have one stated assumption and one implied assumption, both of which are being rejected by not just me, but everyone else who has bothered to acknowledge you. The first is that evolution is sufficient for consciousness; the second is that AI training is a form of that same evolution. All your conclusions depend on these assumptions, and no one else accepts your assumptions. So either provide some evidence for them, or quit wasting our time.
If you want a platform where your assumptions are taken as gospel and you get to noodle around with them however you want while being snarky and condescending to anyone who dares disagree, then go create your own. You certainly wouldn’t be the first.
There’s the shot, and here’s the chaser:
In fact, I’m not even going to pick this apart. Let’s all just sit back, contemplate, and appreciate what’s being said here.
Scarebucks: “while being snarky and condescending to anyone who dares disagree”
When you’re a huge faggot flippantly employing ad hominem and snark against me instead of addressing the idea, I’ll respond in kind. And I do it better because I’m better.
Jim: “Robots have been doing that stuff for years. It is a meaningless irrelevance.”
I respectfully disagree. This one finally toes the line (so to speak) of human biomechanics. It looks so natural at certain moments that you forget that you’re looking at a robot. A memory refresher may be helpful. This was the state of things in 2010, 15 years ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNZPRsrwumQ
This was the state of things in 2016, 9 years ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVlhMGQgDkY
This was the state of things in 2020, 5 years ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhND7Mvp3f4
This was the state of things in 2024, 1 year ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpraXaw7dyc
And (again) here is the state of things in 2025:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gOYAfEOeg1Y
I may respond to other things later. But if you won’t admit the astonishing progress (and rate of progress) here I truly don’t know what I could possibly say.
And here is the state of things five years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF4DML7FIWk
You always can make a robot act perfectly in a perfectly predictable environment. This has always been easy.
The reason folding clothes is so hard is that clothes behave with unpredictable complexity. As does uneven and yielding ground.
The robot in your first example appears clumsy and robotic because he is walking over ground that is rough, uneven, and in places extremely soft, yielding in unpredictable ways.
Well guess what. That is exactly how Optimus walks over rough, uneven, and unpredictably yielding ground. Except that Optimus falls over a lot and the five year old robot does not.
Musk thinks that modern AI can solve the clothes folding problem. Maybe it can. But it has not done so yet.
Modern AI solved the protein folding problem, which is somewhat similar. So maybe it can solve the clothes folding problem. But it has not yet done so.
The five year old Boton dynamics videos showed robots dealing with the unpredictable messyness of the real world.
We have seen no videos of Optimus dealing with the unpredictable messyness of the real world, but we have heard rumours.
Boston dynamics retreated from the hard problem to the easy problem, because they failed. Their robot managed, but was, as you complain, rather robotic. We have not yet seen Optimus succeed.
Our most recent video of Optimus on uneven ground, 2025 December, he was walking on far easier ground that the Boston dynamics robot, and was performing similarly.
That he can walk on uneven ground is impressive. As an improvement on Boston Dynamics, not impressive.
That Musk has released no further videos of Optimus dealing with the messiness of the real world is suspiciously reminiscent of Boston Dynamics, which stopped releasing videos of their robots dealing with the real world. Because they stopped improving significantly.
Large language models have plateaued. Boston Dynamics plateaued. Optimus will plateau. The question to be seen, is whether he will plateau at a high enough level to be broadly useful.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gOYAfEOeg1Y
That short video is a collection of even shorter videos, meaning, that dumb machine isn’t even pretending to “dance” for more than 10 seconds. One can further assume that the machine is falling after 10 seconds of “dancing”, which is why the video has to be cut and the fall edited out.
Also this techo retard claimed that the copy paste bots, sorry! I mean, AI is “thinking” because by design it pseudo-randomly varies the bullshit/stored content it outputs. ayyylmao is very clueless or very dishonest.
All recent technology has been following basically the same hype cycle:
1. Some significant new discovery is made, or some new model shows promise.
2. There is an initial burst of innovation where the tech rapidly improves.
3. Then the sharks, VCs, IFLSers, status chasers, and other parasites latch on.
4. Insane amounts of dumb money flow in, and copycats spawn everywhere.
5. The exponential increase in investment yields rapidly diminishing returns.
6. For a while (months to years) after petering out, the “investors” and “early adopters” remain in denial and insist that we are right on the verge of the next major breakthrough.
7. Former innovators pivot to slick marketing in order to fuel the delusion and keep the money rolling in. ← We are here
8. Eventually the money runs out, and everyone gets collective amnesia.
I’m not sure if the epic capital mismanagement is actually killing innovation, or just accelerating individual boom-bust cycles; it’s possible that the cycle is entirely natural, but normally happens a lot more slowly so that multiple cycles overlap and innovation appears continuous, and the financialization and declining smart fraction make it discontinuous. Though it’s equally likely that all the misdirected resources are starving other areas where real gains could be made, and without anyone’s thumb on the scale, major tech breakthroughs often come from very unexpected and seemingly unrelated places.
Anyway. It’s happened dozens of times since 2000-ish. Web 1.0 (dotcom), web 2.0, grid computing, big data, gamification, robotics, VR, quantum computers, large language models and generative AI, and I’m sure I’ve left out a bunch. Often there are even multiple cycles 10-15 years apart, e.g. we can pretty easily single out a “VR 1.0” and a “VR 2.0”, with VR 2.0 being an objectively huge advancement but still failing to deliver on the hype.
Nobody’s arguing, or at least I’m not arguing, that robotics and ANI aren’t gradually improving. Of course they are improving, but Mayo is simply moving the goalposts with that, the original claim was that these are definitely going to lead to conscious sentient machines and that we’re right on the verge of AGI. The claim now is apparently that these disparate LLM and robotics technologies are somehow indisputable evidence of a pathway to artificial life; that the whole is or will be greater than the sum of its parts.
Well, maybe, but right now the whole is a lot less than the sum of its parts. ANI is not AGI and does not appear to naturally or inexorably lead to AGI. Right now, we have elaborate chatbots that had to be trained on billions of lines of human-written text, which hallucinate facts, write broken code, and draw pictures with no sense of perspective or understanding of anatomy. And we have elaborate and sometimes bipedal AIBOs trained on thousands of hours of organic motion capture and instructed to imitate it precisely. These things are great for producing impressive demos to get more funding, but their practical uses are extremely niche. Innovation-wise, they appear to be dead ends.
We are still nowhere close to a chatbot that can pass an ARC test, or a bipedal robot that can perform simple household chores or navigate rough terrain, even after being given mind-boggling amounts of training data several orders of magnitude greater than that of a five-year-old child who can ace all of those tests.
If these really are milestones on the road to AGI, it is not apparent from any present-day outcomes, and no one seems to know exactly what’s missing. Reality seems to be almost the polar opposite of IIT. Real intelligence is the ability to make inferences, find patterns and solve problems without prior training and with very limited information. That’s what a conventional IQ test is supposed to measure, and why the results can no longer be considered valid when someone is taking the test for the thousandth time; too much familiarity with the problems makes spontaneous reasoning ability moot.
The ability to solve a very narrow problem only after squeezing through petabytes of training data is not evidence of intelligence, it is evidence of a lack of intelligence. Google’s AlphaGo Zero was impressive, in that it started from scratch (no human training data) and ended up better than the top human players, but it had to “play” 29 million games compared to the few thousand a human would play, and only learned how to do that one specific thing. That’s actually a much more interesting result than most LLMs which are just searching and regurgitating human information, but still not very intelligent, just skilled, and skill != intelligence.
White Bread: “Also this techo retard claimed that the copy paste bots, sorry! I mean, AI is “thinking” because by design it pseudo-randomly varies the bullshit/stored content it outputs. ayyylmao is very clueless or very dishonest.”
Yeah, bro, it losslessly stores the full text of all the text ever produced by man with the most advanced encoding scheme ever produced by man and then instantly pulls it out in new and unique form dynamically in meaningful response to your natural-language queries. Maybe you’re the clueless dishonest technoretard.
Daddy Scarebucks: “Real intelligence is the ability to make inferences, find patterns and solve problems without prior training and with very limited information.”
Real intelligence is the ability to conduct meaningful (as opposed to meaningless) information processing. In organic beings this ability is embedded by Darwinian evolution over literally countless generations of natural selection. AI “training” is an imperfect (“thin”) replication of Darwinian processes. Computers require so much more “training data” than children do because they have billions of years less “training experience”.
I think that consciousness is the subjective experience of coherent intelligence processing information over time. It follows that each of your cells has consciousness individually and in larger and larger parts, percolating upwards until “you” (the visual field and higher-brain parts) finally get to type snarkily into your computer.
Jim: “Large language models have plateaued. Boston Dynamics plateaued. Optimus will plateau. The question to be seen, is whether he will plateau at a high enough level to be broadly useful.”
I think that much like Darwinian evolution occurred over billions of years of fits and starts we’re seeing a series of loosely parallel S-curves, each S-curve building on the previous S-curves and each S-curve coming at a faster interval than the precious S-curves. Currently they’re building out enormous computational resources because it can’t hurt. Ultimately I think the S-curves will look more like DeepSeek’s orders-of-magnitude efficiency improvements than gigantic datacenters built off in “the cloud” (wherever that is). Is there a current plateau? I don’t know. Maybe. Probably not, considering how much my lizard brains tells me Optimus moves compared to previous efforts. Will there be a plateau for another year (or three)? Much doubt!
No. The large language model lossily compresses the data, and the lossiness is what makes it work. The compression puts the data into generic form, and the subsequent decompression regenerates it into a form specific to the new context. (Which sometimes inherently results in hallucination.)
With a little effort, you can usually find the original article that it is decompressing.
That this is how it works becomes glaringly obvious when you use a large language model as a programming assistant.
The compression discards context specific information from the data, and the decompression restores context specific information to the data from the context, so if you switch context, you get the appearance of a creature.
It is generalising, as creatures do, but it is not generalising in the same way as creatures do.
It is a data storage, search, and indexing system. A very good one, but that is all it is.
Look at the original article before compression, and the article compressed and then decompressed by the AI in a new context, and you immediately discover, no one at home. The illusion collapses. This is not the result of consciousness.
When you are fighting an AI programming assistant to do your programming for you, you wind up doing this a lot, and when you have the real article, and the article recreated by the AI in the new context that you have provided in an effort to make it do what you want, side by side, that this is just a data search and retrieval system becomes obvious.
Edit: “previous” not “precious”.
LLM really is a search machine as God intended search machines to be.
Which isn’t anywhere close to AGI, but sure as hell is impressive. In all those science-fiction games, there is always a robot hologram that would provide information and respond to what the playable character said. We have that now. Happy to have seen that happen in my lifetime.
https://deepmind.google/discover/blog/alphaevolve-a-gemini-powered-coding-agent-for-designing-advanced-algorithms/
We see no end of scammers promising investors that they can replace programmers. We are now in AI autumn, where the field is dominated by efforts to scam even more money out of investors.
Musk’s claim that he can replace assembly line workers seems considerably more plausible, and far more easily achievable, but I still don’t see Optimus picking up socks, putting them in the laundry basket, putting the contents of the laundry basket in the washer, hanging them out to dry, and then sorting and balling the socks.
When I see Optimus folding sweaters, then I will be impressed. It has been a suspiciously long time since we saw him walking over uneven ground.
Dasein can correct a mistake instantly when a solution is pointed out because it has an idea of what it is doing and what it is doing it with and so what mistakenness is vis a vis something not doing what it wants to do.
Weighted node networks can’t do that. If a CN is mistaken, you have to go back to the drawing board and crunch a brazillion more use-cases to hone the probabilities to more workable state. And it’ll still go boink in any cases not also already included or insufficiently included in the training set. It cannot extend the essence of things like Dasein can. Has no world-formation capacity.
Current bodycount ratio might even be close to 20:1, judging by number of bodies exchanged. To put it in historical perspective, that was bodycount ratio of Japanese against Americans in later stages of WW2, despite Americans also being in offensive. It is variously called “rout” or “curbstomp”.
The saddest thing of all is seen among all those Ukrainian luvvers, all those “muh Ukraine” retards. If they are so fucking “in luvv” with 404, they should be praying for peace and the end of death for 404’s men and boys. But, if our rulers were ready to accept Jews ruling over Nazis in collaborative project to use Uke meat for achieving victory gay parade in Moskva nad Kijev, I guess they, and their stupid normie peasants, are ready to accept anything. Maybe even nuclear war.
And regarding those normie peasants, I’m still fascinated about near total conversion of covid worshipers to 404 worshipers. From First Mindless Hysteria to Second one. It’s impressive how one can function without brain when sitting in front of TV.
Good comment!
Obviously, the European leaders are a Luciferian Death Cult passionately, furiously seeking the destruction of Western Civilization and the absolute extermination of the white race, by any and all means; but do European normies (who aren’t boomers) actually buy into the Muh Ukreiiin propaganda?
Honestly, one of the healthiest things one can do for one’s psyche is to throw away the television. Endless propaganda machine filling heads with infinity bullshit. Everything on television is fake, and usually stupendously gay too. It’s best to physically remove it from your life.
Not that many of them buy that much propaganda, but those that do… oh my.
I mean, here and there, where the elections are still at least somewhat meaningful, you can see that majority of normies are actually not fond of dying for victory gay parades in Moskva and Kijev. Fico, that guy in Romania, even Milanović in my country – they are all lefties from 50 years ago who became popular mostly thanks to promise to never again engage their folks in wars between foreign powers. Milanović almost got voted in first round, almost, and then in second round resoundingly won against cuckservative candidate, thanking conservative and rights voters in the process. 🙂
The rage of 404 lovers was deafening.
Removing TV is easy. But, almost the same effect has default news app (or something like that) on Android smartphones, I guess it’s Google News or something. Giant lies factory. And even older people use smartphones, and always with default settings and apps. They are full of rage against journalists, but default news app on Android smartphones are somehow Holy Scripture. Go figure.
I think having at least one mainstream television channel or internet news site that forcefully questions the Official Narrative goes a long way towards breaking the spell that the prog journo-cult has on the audience. When there is only one narrative, and supposedly “everyone agrees” with it completely, it’s psychologically difficult to question it; once you allow at least two competing narratives — assuming they really are competing — then the Thinking Man starts thinking more seriously indeed. Fox News may be Controlled Opposition; but ultimately it’s still better to have it than not to have it, because if Serious Expert X strongly disagrees with Serious Expert Y about topic Z, then eventually the viewer might figure out that he is allowed to strongly disagree with all so-called Experts about any subject whatsoever.
Anyway, younger people should just get most of their news from Elon’s Xitter. All the interesting action is there, anyway.
It shouldn’t even be that hard its not like they make good TV anymore. This isn’t the 90s when you had vintage Simpsons and lots of other great shit now it just all kind of sucks.
Yeah, I got rid of my TV, but I’m not exactly a typical person. But it really is easy; there is nothing worth watching there, mainstream culture has become absolutely and utterly lame, and except for nostalgia (ewww *vomit*), there just is no reason to sit in front of that screen. Well, okay, I guess sports fans, e.g. the soccer folks, who gather together to watch games and drink beer, might derive a certain benefit from it; but if you and your friends are not into any sports-watching subculture, there is literally no reason to keep it.
I too watched the 2022 volcanic eruption of Slava Ukraini, all around me, and it scared me to death.
After all the Orange Man Bad, and all the Covid, and all the Fentayl Floyd and all the Safe and Effective, they just jumped straight into that one too.
Goddamn terrifying. I’m locked in here with them.
They’ve been planning this for a long time, though. I’ve been observing the CIA astroturfers and their internet activities for a while; Azovism is a long-running psyop, which had been attempting (with varying degrees of success) to strike roots into the Alt-Right for many years, long predating the war. Without denying the existence of Kremlin troll factories — virtually all Regimes employ troll factories — the hysterical and neverending “Muh Russian Disinfo” psyop was intended to legitimize the entire Azov Black-Operation in Ukraine; if Russian trolls didn’t exist, the CIA would have to invent them; and in some cases it likely did invent them.
Ultimately, it’s all a continuation of Operation Gladio. Color Revolution (and subsequently militarize) everyone around Russia -> Color Revolution Russia itself and have Gay Pride Parades in Moscow. That was their great master plan. Vaxxed and boosted NPC soyjaks fell for it; but after so many other ‘tarded psyops, nobody else did. Now they are stuck with a bunch of small-soulled trooners as their sole base of support, LOL. Heck, even my liberal, Jewish, almost-boomer mother (who initially subscribed to many pro-Azov channels in the Russian language) has absolutely had enough with that coke-roach terrorist Zelenskyyy and realizes that he is an illegitimate tyrant who needs to have his useless narcissist brains splattered yesterday.
Literally no legit human on Earth supports or wants anything to do with the Azov Regime.
The subcontinent is slowly rising to boiling point. Dharmics may well be forced into hot war with the desert cult sooner than later and it is likely to be a nuclear war.
Unfortunately we have few allies ready to back us unconditionally.
Putin is a better ally for Bharat than Trump at the moment, since CIA still apparently controls American foreign policy in this part of the world. China also has too many interests in Pakistan to stand by the sidelines.
I’ve been saying all along that any Muslims having nukes is a bad idea, and while everyone is focused on Iran, what about Pakistan, which already has nukes? But people refuse to use their common sense, and if the Talking Heads on television don’t talk about Pakistan’s nuclear program, then as far as the sheeple are concerned, the problem is non-existent. But of course the problem is existent, and eventually the Pakis are likely to use their nukes against somebody.
If I were PM rather than Bibi, I’d try to help you out some way. Alas, Bibi is unlikely to be of any help here, as he is busy pursuing “peace in the Middle-East,” and he spent decades complaining about the Iranian threat while completely neglecting the Pakistani threat – AWKWARD. Now, as for Putin, usually I shill for him, but I think that he is far too indebted to the Chinese to help you out in this case; he won’t risk alienating them for Bharat’s sake.
So yeah, you are pretty much alone in this. But I don’t know; perhaps God will be with you. When I don’t troll the trolls (or troll with the trolls), I actually like your civilization. But unfortunately I do expect Pakistan’s nukes to be the Black Swan Event that in retrospect people will say, “Duh, Mossadnik from Jim’s blog was right about this issue – of course the Desert Cult would go BOOM!” Good luck.
Israel is also likely to support India in some way, even if not directly. I think Under Modi, India has got closer to Israel. And we have imported Israeli military equipment as well as training in the past.
Unfortunately, I don’t think Israel has much of an independent foreign policy either.
Yes, likely we are alone in this.
We support you.. with our hearts.
But yeah, being America’s little bitch, even if our leadership sought to pursue a foreign policy characterized by far greater testosterone, as it most definitely should, Uncle Sam the Top Dawg wouldn’t really let us.
I do expect the ties to strengthen, as both of our countries gradually go in a Based direction. Military cooperation should certainly increase. Provided, of course, that the GAE-in-Exile CIA Shadow Government won’t successfully Color Revolution the leader in either country, as it is wont to do; and provided local leftists won’t use the Judicial Tyranny to achieve the same goal.
Probably, but pre-emptively nuking them sets a dangerous precedent.
I expect we will fight nuclear wars eventually. I don’t think it will be civilisation ending. It might motivate people do the stuff the concert of Europe did.
I don’t advocate nuking Pakistan (or Iran), but isn’t there a more conventional military way to dismantle a nuclear weapons program, even if it’s well developed and functional? I believe it’s possible to destroy the facilities without using nukes yourself, but admittedly I’m not an expert on this topic.
Saying that some body can’t be trusted with power is basically saying they need to be exterminated to the last.
Well, maybe people like people living in Pakistan do need to be exterminated to the last. But that thinking should be clear rather than this Divine Nanny like ‘we need to take the toys away from these bad boys’ implicit Longhouse-ism, which is both degrading and spiritually perilous.
The whigs think their neighbors can’t be trusted with weapons, and they also want to exterminate their neighbors to the last. The logic all lines up.
I disagree. For instance, I think that most white men should be allowed to own and carry guns, but I don’t think that most Middle-Eastern men should enjoy the same rights. (With exceptions to every rule, of course.) Different rules for different peoples; but does it logically follow that the Middle-Eastern men should all be exterminated? Why would it logically follow?
>Different rules for different peoples
In general certainly.
>Why would it logically follow?
A galaxy where any random space trucker has access to effective weapons of mass destruction (dropping things from orbit) is a galaxy where finer classes of beings only have room.
It’s good and natural for bodies to grow in power – such as having the power of Our Friend, The Atom. And if you think a body isn’t compatible with a world that has that power, then at one point or another, they can’t be in it. QED.
Christians, however, are required to let them prove they cannot be in it.
It seems probable that Muslims cannot be allowed in the nuclear age and will have to be kept in the stone age. But probability is not enough.
Put another way, if you say you can’t allow a body to grow in power, you say you can’t allow them to live.
Thanks for the explanation.
I absolutely agree that it’s good and natural for bodies to grow in power; I also contend that if some other bodies identify the former bodies’ growing in power as a direct and likely mortal threat, then it is good and natural for those other bodies to seek to arrest and prevent that growing in power. Now I see your logic – that certainly could entail total extermination; but in practice need not necessarily entail it. Depends on the actual circumstances.
It is indeed Divine Nanny if I arrest and prevent those bodies from growing in power “for their own good.” Nah, screw their own good – in this scenario I do it for my own survival, the seeking of which is good and natural.
>let them prove they cannot be in it.
Most certainly.
I am pretty pro nuclear proliferation in general. The question of ‘worthiness’ for forms of techne is so often begged by the question of capability to begin with, one is generally inextricable with the other, even and especially when daemonhosts try to tip the scales. Whatever else you might say about pakis or persians, they are probably worthy of the bomb because they can have the bomb.
To say that whigs hate terrestrial sunlight can be expounded along a number of vectors. In the first place of course, you can say that our later-day quakers simply hate any forms of Capital in general, and especially the highest. They see themselves as unworthy of power. But this insecurity is also perversely alloyed with a form of hubris as well; they – entirely correctly – think they are unworthy; but they also like to think that they are the best person they know, and that everyone else is even less worthy. And so nobody can’t have nothin’.
More particularly, they never got over the fact that the existence of Our Friend, The Atom, stopped them from fully conquering the world in the name of communism after the second war of internationalist aggression. They hate it when men harness the power of the sun because it provides a form of sovereignty that can’t so lightly violate, as they wish to do (and so oft do) any and everywhere else, and above all makes it so they themselves are suddenly at risk of ending up on the list of casualties for their provocations, piercing the bubble of spitefully gleeful insouciance, that the cost of every problem they cause will be paid with the blood of others (and precisely angling for that purpose).
Whereever the power of Our Friend, The Atom exists, there the World is Made Safe For Restoration.
Back when India and Pakistan didn’t have nukes or cruise missiles etc, the low-tech conflicts killed like 3 000 000 (three million) civilians.
Now we will see if higher tech deterrence works on aryan darkies as well as on germanic and slavic whites and east asians. Sometimes you gotta have the option to utterly exterminate each other, in order to stop exterminating each other.
In this specific portion of the space political it’s not even about who is a Mohemmedan and who isn’t. The Japs in WWII were not, yet their behavior on conquered territories was the real version of what WWII Germans tend to be accused of. Pol Pot in Cambodia was no Mohammedan. Current necro-cult nazis in the Ukraine are not Mohammedan.
Authentic monotheism = authentic patriarchy; authentic patriarchy = fertility. Today we have cosplay patriarchy in Iran (minuscule 1.6 fertility) and authentic patriarchy in Afghanistan (5 kids per woman). Obviously, Iran is a secular quasi-Soviet society cosplaying as a monotheistic and patriarchic society, but the underlying reality measured by fertility gives everything away. Just like India being among the world leaders in abortion gives certain games away.
Pakistan’s fertility is 3.1; which is the equivalent to the USA in 1964 — hardly an example of a fanatical monotheistic society.
Other social matrixes exist that result in high fertility: tribal such as in negro Africa, and in the near past in South America, and in various parts of pagan Asia (also mostly in the past, with the exception of a couple of regions in India such as Bihar and Meghalaya), the point is not that only monotheistic patriarchy produces high fertility, but that it’s one of its core elements, and if that is missing, then its neither patriarchic nor monotheistic.
Pakistan may not be as fake as Iran in this regard, but it’s getting there.
Edit: the Indian state of Meghalaya is not one of the last existing examples of pagan Asian high fertility — I assumed things.
It is apparently instead one of the last existing examples of Christian Asian high fertility.
The question is whether in this most Current of Years it’s declining, staying the same, or increasing. Khazaria’s fertility is around similar territory, but the crucial point is that, as the country is becoming more deeply religiously observant by the year (whatever one may or may not think about said religion), the TFR is increasing.
And that is the question regarding Pakistan at the moment; will its fertility rate continue to decline, as it has been declining for decades, or stabilize on the current relatively healthy level, or even reverse the declining trend and start increasing. For comparison, Afghanistan’s fertility has also been declining for decades, despite it being “urrrrr so fanatical.”
I really don’t like Orthodox Judaism (or any Judaism, really), but seeing those families with their 6-7 kids on average — white looking kids, by the way, though they should not be considered TRVE Aryans — I gotta give ’em credit where it is due. They have plenty of fertile sex, and healthy family structures.
Good point. Here’s the data on Pakistan’s fertility over time.
https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/PAK/pakistan/fertility-rate
Accelerating decline over the last 45 years, still half a statistical child away from crossing into non-replacement.
The most recent data for Afghanistan is 2022, when it was 4.52 children born per woman. And that data is not actually post Taliban data. It is pre Taliban data that was released in 2022.
The subsequent numbers are projections.
My projection is that it has been rising and is going to rise. The rural population was reproducing, the urban population was failing to reproduce. Now that the cities are ruled by people of the same culture as rural areas, I expect urban fertility to rise to near rural fertility levels.
Anecdotally from our own congregation I have calculated in a spreadsheet a ratio of 2.1. Exactly replacement. So far.
That includes some 0 cases, many of whom are young couples just starting out. It also includes many superstar families with between 3 and 10 children. Home schooling abounds, with elaborate support structures for that. I also see signs of deliberate match-making and chaperoning. Far from being oppressive, joy abounds. I praise God for these people!
mod check: hippity hoppity women are property, hide your daughter or lose your line
Jim, have some time now to see about contributing to rhocoin.
Any advice on a nice clean setup for communication with the gitea repo? For example, recommended methods of ip obfuscation, list of OS you like, that sort of thing. Specifics unnecessary and possibly harmful, just general advice. If you had this written out somewhere already, I missed it.
There is advice in the repo itself Section four of the README “Please contribute” and the Contributor Code of Conduct linked from the README. See sections two and three of the Contributor Code of Conduct. You will also find section four entertaining.
If that does not work, use the Bitmessage address linked at the right hand bottom corner of the blog landing page to talk about problems.
If you run into grief, or think that incomplete or inadequate, make suggestions and edit the documentation.
Those details, pertaining software et al, were entirely about managing ssh keys, but I am worried about the entire stack before even reaching that point.
General points I’d be interested in hearing your opinion on:
– what hardware should one prefer, e.g. “favor AMD chips over intel if possible”
– how should one handle networking, what software stack, what sort of VPN and VPN configuration
– what OS should be preferred, for example “linux flavor [XYZ] is recommended but avoid default package config [ABC]”
– Are there any gotchas concerning the SSH protocol binaries provider, or even keygen procedure (beyond where you keep the keys)?
There’s more but those cover most of what I’m interested in. The glownigger agencies are likely a little busy trying to egg on WWIII, but should rhocoin become useful, it will attract a lot of unkind attention. I would like to be a difficult target, and having a general set of advice on points like these makes it easier to hand out to anyone else concerned along the way. Specifics are liable to be harmful, but I believe general advice should be helpful in this case.
I don’t have bitmessage set up at the moment, but I can get it running later. If you think this discussion should not be held here, I understand.
To get to where we are going, it has to run on Windows and Linux. Thus all code has to be fairly portable, so AMD versus Intel is irrelevant. Those optimisations belong in the cryptography and large number libraries, which are trivial variants of the main upstream libraries.
Networking has been under discussion. That discussion belongs on https://gitea.rho.la/rho/rhomessaged, in the issues and milestones.
The code is OS agnostic — uses wxWidgets for UI, and libraries that exist on both Windows and Linux, but current builds are under windows visual studio community edition, and need to be migrated to a CmakeLists.txt file that works on both Linux and Windows.
The real enemy that needs to be defeated is the global left-fascist griftocrat axis. Zelensky is a dramatic narcissistic addict leading a faction of bloodthirsty sociopathic crooks. I think they must feel they’ve been used by globalist grifters and would delight in paying them back. And the grifters must fear what may be revealed ( fanatically clinging to the Ukraine project reveals this fear?)
I think Zelensky & pals could usefully be offered a safe refuge in return for betraying the western griftocrats.
Even if the offer of refuge is ignored or rejected, it may be worthwhile as a means of sowing distrust between CIA/ NATO/ Dbag – Zelensky & pals. Where will they be safe after the war? – they know too much and Ukrainians will lead the rush to kill them. Getting crooks to betray each other is a favorite police tactic.
I think being confined to a remote oblast in Russia would offer Z & pals their best bet. But maybe Trump could make an offer in the US – once Z & pals have been debriefed thoroughly there will be less motive for Dbags to kill them, and perhaps our Dbag party will lose more power and also be reluctant to be seen murdering former accomplices.
In my view, Trump fucked up terribly in pursuing that mineral deal. He had a chance to cut Zelensky loose after the White House meet but he let the Euros bend his ear at the dark Pope’s funeral and now he has less control over the situation than he had before.
Absolute fiasco.
There is a long history of under estimating Trump. The past decade is full of people who under estimated him. After he fished in the Rubicon, deprecating him seemed well founded.
He is now in an Emperor Hirohito situation. Hirohito solved in very belatedly. I expect Trump to solve it rather quicker.
For Hirohito to solve it, several powerful and important Japanese leaders had to die. Hence he was rather late in solving it.
Grunts are becoming irrelevant. Drone on drone and on drone operator war approaches. The Ukraine is gambling on changing the nature of war before it just runs out of grunts.
In the Hirohito scenario, you mean to imply Zelensky would fall on a sword? It may be possible for Trump to engineer a surrender, but Russia’s terms are serious. Someone will still have to bend to make it work.
I agree that Trump is not to be underestimated, but I also don’t see project Ukraine as becoming anything more than a tar baby. It is insanity to keep a war going with no exit strategy, and it’s difficult to reason with the insane.
If the gamble is to pull this off by midterms then it’s a pretty ambitious one. I might have bet on tanks -> Harvard having better odds of success…
Zelensky is in bed with the same people who tried to assassinate Trump. Trump should not be still trying to make deals with them.
Of course with the way things are going Zelensky will probably shoot himself in the foot sooner than later, but still. When we talk about lack of vision, that is what we mean. Trump, with his mineral deal, is being a merchant among priests. Don’t do it Don! Take your losses, get out of Ukraine.
Zero Knowledge Rollups are a thing now. State transitions are verified by a recursive zero knowledge proof, so no one needs to carry anything more than the state that they care about. The “global state root” is just a number, like a 4k hash, that changes at every “block”.
With the fancy ZK math, anyone can verify that the state root is legit at any given moment, and anyone who knows the state of their accounts can create a new transaction by generating a zero knowledge state transition proof, and the recipient can instantly verify that the transaction is legit and they can verify their funds.
If the verifier has any soundness bugs, an attacker can generate a proof that they have all the money now, and on a network like Monero no one will ever know, but it’s kind of cool to not have to worry at all about syncing the network or state bloat.
You can’t bolt this type of technology on BTC, nor is there any reason to do so when the new L1 you need to fully do it right obviously obsoletes any purpose for BTC.
At which point BTC dies.
Few seem to argue this future.
When last I checked, ZCash was overpromising and under delivering. But they have good intentions and are doing good work. And when one is funding vitally needed research, one tends to wind up overpromising and under delivering.
However, this can be bolted on to Bitcoin, and the Grail Bridge is the bolts.
Both BTC and ZEC are suboptimal inefficient platforms, because their old unchangeable legacy. When the last ZK bits are ready, a new ZK native L1 will be launched at scale. We already have deploying exchanges for first movers into that real privacy space, years before BTC hodlers will ever discover it. Decade later BlackRock will be last ones holding bag that fell out under them. TTP.
“Dumb Footshooting Warmongering Maxis: Alliances between sovereign Bitcoin mining pools will be as strategically vital as NATO, SWIFT & WTO participation”
ZK L1’s solve this.
BTC is the best suited L1 for this future, actually.
It looks like the general structure is total ordering of events bundled into a hash ‘timestamp’ with orbiting protocols synced to this total ordering that provide the actual data exchange and updates for concerned parties. When you start baking in all the ZKPs to consensus, you get lots of unnecessary complexity that harms usability, development speed, and protocol interop.
BTC is the simplest form of this self-soverign total ordering, has the highest security, and the most reach. Eventually, once the ZKP protocols materialize and mature, modifications to make the BTC chain further optimized for this total ordering function will be obvious, but for now it’s fine, and the best positioned. BTC looks to be the One True Coin, and the rest of the tokens will be something akin to corporate shares, fighting to have the most sats on their multisig.
> BTC is the [inefficient] for this future, actually.
fixed.
> [BTC is] lots of unnecessary complexity that harms usability, development speed, and protocol interop.
fixed.
> BTC is the [worst] form of
fixed.
BTC *could* have been a more efficient platform, if it were designed or changed to have a single fixed-length field for arbitrary data arbitrarily crypted, which would avoid the whole mess about spam. But it has no such.
You are right, BTC has a bunch of data trash and shit fields, because it is a bad inefficient design for data.
It was *expected to be scaled and privated*, but that got shut down by the man.
Now the world is growing very angsty again about that abject lack of capability, and they will be competing now.
A lame horse cannot compete with a fresh mare.
That is history.
> modifications to make the BTC
You just spent 16 years swearing no changes needed.
Now you’re swearing changes needed.
Wishy-washy minds look fools. Any history book proves change always must happen, maxis deny it.
> One True Coin
Won’t look like today’s BTC, because changed, which according to Maxi’s cannot be called Bitcoin any longer.
Would be easier for you Maxi’s if you just accepted that BTC MUST CHANGE aka: BE FORKED in order to become the OTC. We know that admission after 16 years of shilling “no change necessary” is a personally painful mountain your brain must first climb.
> tokens will be something akin to corporate shares, fighting to have the most sats on their multisig.
Nope, at that point they are no longer sats but tokens, token networks always have less value than the tokens upon them, they become bankster leeches in the way and eventually get forked away from. Pure L1 is the only way.
People fucking hate BANKS, CARD NETWORKS, GOVTS, TAXES, INTEREST, FEES, etc… that’s why they WILL NOT STOP until a pure private scaled L1 comes.
OH YES, BTC *could* become enabled/stripped to be the ZK KING of all privat scaled cash for the world !!!
But you must admit that it will be changed/forked to do so.
Even the USA ETF’s will follow the more efficient and cleaner fork.
Because better money always starves out and exchanges away from shittier money eventually.
Even old non-ZK Monero-XMR has been meeting or beating BTC over the last year.
That’s how bad BTC sucks.
Just wait and see what a real ZK L1 will be doing five years after it’s fair launched.
ZK L1 are Big Counting Coup Coming… GOVTS and their old MAXI-BAGGERS will finally be forced to their knees.
Jim, this is literally the same shitcoin scammer posting in every single thread under different sock puppet aliases. Can’t you just permaban, or is he pulling some shit with burner VPNs?
First-time comments need to be approved before they appear, so presumably Jim finds some value in whatever it is the obsessive shitcoin scammer happens to be spamming. Possibly the blog is inundated with such comments, and only a minority of them make it through, those that Jim finds sufficiently interesting to be posted or something.
A very small minority make it through. This one got through because I wanted to address ZCash.
Not only can you bolt this technology onto BTC as a level two, but a proposal for doing so was outlined in 2018
The Grail Bridge, using the method originally outlined in “Bulletproofs: Short Proofs for Confidential Transactions and More”, back in 2018, creates a link between normal bitcoin contracts, and a blockchain based on bulletproofs. This allows one to lock level one bitcoin to a level two currency on a bulletproof blockchain.
Bulletproofs are unacceptably costly if a separate bulletproof occupies space on the blockchain for every transaction, so any viable use of bulletproofs has to consolidate all bulletproofs into a single bulletproof that proves all currently valid unspent transaction outputs, thus any use of bulletproofs tends to be privacy preserving, despite the industrious efforts of our enemies to work around the privacy characteristics of bulletproofs.
America can still offer a few concessions that would please Russia and they are not insignificant. (1) It could stop arming and funding the Ukraine. (2) It could withdraw from NATO. (3) It could withdraw its military forces from Europe.
Russia is saying it will annex the four eastern Oblasts. It also demands the denazification and demilitarization of the Ukraine.
Trump should offer Russia more: everything east of the Dnieper and a land bridge to Odessa but the Ukraine gets Kaliningrad and Transnistra in exchange. America carries out the three offers listed above (at least, removing troops from continental Europe; it could keep some in Sicily and the UGay if it must. Happily, this is also a goal of Reaction. If we don’t have forces on the continent, it becomes much harder for the Left to kick off a bad war with Russia). “Denazification” can be Russia writing a list of a couple tens of thousands of people who are banished from the Ukraine for life. They can go live in Rwanda or Guatemala. As part of the treaty, Russians living in the Baltics can choose to either assimilate or move out, which should help diffuse the situation there. Also, the US can try to organize worldwide debt forgiveness to what’s left of the Ukraine.
In regards to Russia giving up Kaliningrad and Transnistra, these are military and diplomatic liabilities. If Putin and the Russians are sentimentally attached to them, then no such deal can be made, but I hope Russia will acquire enough Ukrainian territory to feel like its coming out on top. Likewise, Ukraine has lost either way but gaining Kaliningrad and Transnistra would at least allow what’s left of the people to feel like the war and the slaughter weren’t all for nothing. If possible, it’s better not to have a national humiliation like Germany in 1918. This treaty wouldn’t forbid the Ukraine from joining NATO but I don’t think Russia would mind if NATO just meant Europe. “Denazification” as a banishment list for Azovites and politicians instead of Russia directly setting policy in the Ukraine would also be more palatable to the Ukrainian people.
Trump still has something significant to offer and, I think, a proposal for ending the war early that Russia might accept.
Kaliningrad is way up in the north Baltic sea. The Ukraine would need to either take Belarus and Lithuania, or all of Poland, in order to reach contact with Kaliningrad. Or is the idea on Russia simply handing the reins to Kiev and letting it run the exclave from afar?
Kaliningrad is populated by ethnic Russians, as is the Moldovan breakaway micro-republic of Transnistria. Why would the Ukraine want two more oblasts populated by ethnic Russians? Or would those be depopulated? And one of those being on the other side of the continent at that?
The idea of Russians in Latvia, about 25% of the population, to “either become Latvians or get out” is simply a mirror of the approach to the Russian population of the Ukraine, which is what sparked the whole thing from 2014 onward. What would be the point of waging years-long war and paying high prices to stop this thing happening in the Ukraine, and then agreeing to it happening in the three Baltic countries?
Back to Kaliningrad. It is a formerly Prussian city. The city of Königsberg, where philosopher Immanuel Kant* lived and worked. Giving it to Kiev makes no more sense than giving it to Botswana.
*(Although, of course, by modern logic, where a guy declares he’s a woman, and we read in a retroactively changed to fit current events bio “*she* was born in….”, then of course, what we mean is that the Russian thinker Imanuil Johannovich Kantov, lived and worked in Kaliningrad)
Kaliningrad would be a Ukrainian exclave. I’m aware the Ukraine doesn’t have a historical connection to the area. The point of giving it to them is (a) to salve Ukrainian pride, (b) demonstrate that Russia is not simply gobbling up territory and, most importantly, (c) to defuse a flashpoint. If war breaks out between NATO and Russia, Kaliningrad would be cut off from support. Sure, it’s not far from Belarus but contemporary warfare is grinding trench warfare.
Russian ethnics in the Baltics is the biggest flashpoint that could lead to another war. Russia feels it has a duty to protect these people. The retards in charge of the these tiny countries think they need to persecute the native Russians because Russia Russia Russia and they’re not bright enough to figure out who will lose the hardest in case of war with their big neighbor. Trump and Putin working together can probably coerce the Baltics into behaving but Trump has even gained full control of America yet. If globohomo deposes him or waits him out, the Baltic retards will antagonize Putin by persecuting their own Russians and possibly worse.
“either become Latvians or get out” is only part of what sparked the Ukrainian conflict. There’s fairly normal nationalism but what really triggered the war was globohomo transforming the Ukraine into a hostile puppet state. If America withdraws from NATO, is it so bad if Latvia says “begome or get out”? As a price for future peace? If Trump bullies the Latvian government into generously compensating anyone who chooses to stay Russian and leave? If there’s an age cap so over 50s can stay where they’ve always lived, wave their little tricolors and call themselves Russian?
Similar deal for the Russians of Transnistra and Kaliningrad. They can move to Russia or the new parts of Russia (east of Dnieper.) Maybe this feels really horrible if you’re Russian and you think you’re tied to the land but Americans are a nation of pioneers and they don’t think that way.
The other relevant element is that if Russia can banish 40 thousand of the worst Ukrainians for “nazism” (including loss of Ukrainian citizenship) then that country might become a much better place and more of the Russians in these places may choose to “become Ukrainian” because there’s not much difference once you get rid of the “Russia Russia Russia” element of Ukrainianism.
This is absurd. Ukraine, as it exists today, would commit terrible and brutal violence against the population of Kalingrad. This is like asking Israel to give an important Jewish city to Islamic State.
Azov are literal Nazis, and have it in for Russians. Kalingrad is full of Russians.
Like I said, what’s left of Azov would be stripped of citizenship and relocated to Rwanda.
That island has to be resolved someday.
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There are two possible resolutions to the problem of Kalingrad being an exclave.
1. Genocidal war, probably involving nukes.
2. In return for Russia leaving some Russian parts of the Ukraine in the Ukraine, give Russia the Suwałki Gap, which is at present cow pasture and a half dozen farmers, far fewer people than Kursk, thus making Kalingrad no longer an exclave.
The problem with population swaps involving millions of people is no natural borders. So when you are driven over a border, there is no assurance that the border will not very soon follow you. Hence nukes. Thus such population exchanges always involve terrible wars, killing enormous numbers of people.
Solution 1: Drive millions of Russians, some of who are in charge of Kalingrad’s nuclear weapons, from their homes.
Solution 2: Some cow pasture and a handful of farmers.
Oh, and I forgot the mention the third solution.
3. Destroy everything and kill or expel everyone between the Russian border and Kalingrad.
And the more you guys shill for solution one, the more justified, necessary, and reasonable the Russians are going to consider solution three.
If the neocons and Globohomo think the continued existence of Kalingrad is a problem, then that makes the continued existence of Poland and Lithuania a problem.
How about the West leaves all of Ukraine to Russia, and in return Russia gives Königsberg, Danzig, and the rest of East Prussia back to Germany. That’ll also teach those uppity Poles a lesson (or maybe give them some of Ukraine too to salve the pain).
If you have a peace proposal, you have to think at how it looks to your enemies.
The Russians are unlikely to be enthused by a peace proposal that looks like a down payment on their extermination. “Become X or get out” is perfectly reasonable for states separated by natural borders. Trouble is, Russia has no natural borders. The Ukraine looks to Russians like a brutal totalitarian terror state that is part of a very long running anglosphere project to conquer Russia the way they conquered the Ukraine.
America’s natural borders are the oceans, and when a hostile power has a client state on the wrong side of those natural borders, Americans do not take it too kindly.
If someone moves a hostile population across an artificial and arbitrary border that very recently moved over those peoples heads, very soon that border is going to move again. Expulsion of Russians from the ill defined borders of Russia is a direct and immediate threat to Russians in Moscow, and they are going to respond with nukes to an attempt to crush or eject the population of Kalingrad.
You may well think that the Ukraine is pure essence of democracy and anyone in the Ukraine who doubts it deserves what happens to them, and the fact that Russians are apt to think otherwise is just more reason that Russia needs to be destroyed, but Russians are unlikely to change their minds when they hear their enemies make “peace” proposals as terrifying, brutal, and threatening as yours.
Any attempt to implement such a “peace” proposal is tantamount to launching World War Three.
If you have no natural borders, you cannot afford to let your expats be mistreated. The borders of Russia are arbitrary, artificial, and keep changing, and if Russians are one day on the wrong side of such a border that changed over their heads get mistreated, this prefigures further changes in those borders. Look at what happened to Russian civilians when the Ukraine conquered Kursk. Kalingrad would be more of the same. If Kalingrad, then Moscow. Mocow has nukes, and has stationed nukes in Kalingrad for this reason. It rattles the Kalingrad nukes when the topic of incorporating Kalingrad into a hostile state comes up. I don’t think they are kidding. If I was in their shoes, I would not be kidding. Maybe they were just bluffing before Kursk, but after Kursk, probably not. Kursk was just cow pasture and some barns for cows to winter in, Kalingrad is a great city, and they were mighty pissed by what happened in Kursk.
If everyone is nice to minorities, then borders do not matter much. If borders are sacrosanct, and states refrain from interfering in the affairs of other states, then mistreatment of minorities is non threatening. Some expats far away are getting it rough? Sucks to be them. But the US has a long history of meddling, including sponsoring terrorists inside Russia and Russia has a long history of borders changing. Then you have a situation where borders do not matter much because hostile power keeps crossing borders. Under these circumstances, an attack on Russians outside the latest borders is an attack on Russians inside the latest borders. Hence any change in the status of Kalingrad is likely to go nuclear.
How would you think about this proposal if you were Russian? Now, you, not being Russian, probably think that Kalingrad could be crushed with sweetness, flowers, and unicorn farts, but after Kursk, Russians might doubt this.
As someone living in Kaliningrad, let me give you an “insider” view of the whole thing. Russia is not going to give up Kaliningrad, there is absolutely no way it would do it. It’d rather march through the Suwalki gap or use nukes or, if Kaliningrad is threatened or blockaded, blockade Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia (I believe it has the capabilities to do that). After all, besides the Suwalki gap, the Baltic states have only sea connections to the rest of Europe.
For some reason (I guess it’s the Baltic Sea and proximity to so many NATO states), this land is extremely important to Russia.
Lithuania is slowly but steadily tightening the transit of goods and people between mainland Russia and Kaliningrad, potentially leaving only the air (through the Baltic neutral waters) and maritime route, which are costlier. That already affects the prices of mostly everything.
Kaliningrad is also slowly becoming the place where people from Germany (mostly, for now, the Russian-speaking people with German ancestry who left for Germany in the 90s) and some other EU states move to escape the insane Leftist regimes. Just last week at a public lecture on the late 20th century German conservatism (Mohler, Kaltenbrunner) there were four proper Germans present (one interpreting to the others as the lecture was read). This, I believe, could be a very important trend in the coming years.
What about restoring the Old Prussian language?
Not happening here. There was maybe one professor in Lithuania who seriously studied it, but he went insane and converted to Judaism. Alas. It’s a fine language.
Absolutely won’t happen. That’s asking Putin to agree to a Baltic equivalent of the Azov program, even as the Baltics (combined) are an order of magnitude weaker than Ukraine, and he is winning in Ukraine. No dice.
A historical anecdote that is sometimes shared (which might even be true, besides being truthy), is that during the Obama presidency Osama and his lieutenants once discussed taking advantage of an opportunity to kill Vice President Biden while on an international visit, and Bin Laden’s opinion could be paraphrased as ‘he does more damage to America alive’.
This is a funny turn of wit, and in a manner of fashion you could even call it correct. But, I think it is also the sort of seductive cognitive trap that can feel expedient, yet miss a higher dynamic, and promote deeper darkness.
Subversion always comes home to roost. The idea of allowing (or promoting even) bad guys to prosper amongst your enemies to weaken them is, at bedrock, a fundamentally leftist impulse (just the same also with seeing the most coherent of your enemies as most priority in targets). True enough, they may be dooming your enemies in various fundamental ways; but then they are also so oft the prime movers behind why they are your enemies to begin with. Why the social organism(s) they have skinsuited have become so dogged in trying to intrude and insinuate and fuck up shit all in your everything.
Sure, killing them could be considered a favor to your enemies; but it is also a favor to yourself. Because you have observed Divine Law in banishing the wicked and aiding the virtuous thereby – delivered bad to the bad and good to the good – and one can scarcely comprehend the multiplicative benefits that are accrued from every angle over the course of History thereby.
A Russia that understood the necessity of killing the likes of Zelensky and Miroshnychenko to start with one day could be making peace with the likes of Zaluhzny and Arestovich the day after the next. When you Physically Remove daemonhosts and send them back to the depths they spawned from, you create the possibility for saner heads to prevail and make a deal (because they have surely gotten the message).
I think niggers went too far with this karmelo thing. 13% of the population, notoriously bad at math and squad based tactics, is itching to declare war on 70% of the population. I’m counting beaners in this, because they hate the mayetes too, and consistently cleanse the nogs from any community they’ve invaded.
It’s not 13% vs. 87%, it’s more like 50% vs. 50%, and the nogs’ 50% includes the entire US military, law enforcement, judicial, corporate, media, and academic systems. Anything can happen, but a US race war would become a full civil war immediately, and the Left is holding all the cards. Trump would bumble around confused and horrified that wicked Whites were cruelly genociding his poor precious Blacks until he was assassinated or couped in the first week or two.
Obviously does not include the army. Just a bunch of transgender generals whom Trump has been sidelining or firing.
We have a based chain of command all the way between Trump and the grunts.
And when push comes to shove, nothing else matters politically.
The civil service and the Judiciary are still globohomo all the way, and Thermidor is incapable of addressing this problem.
Civil war would resolve that problem mighty fast. The very white and Jewish left is itching to start one. But now we have a legitimate leader, and they lack any kind of leader. They would be crushed.
Trump is a merchant, he is a deal maker, he came to power with a deal with Thermidor, but he has the soul of a warrior, and everyone saw that when the assassin’s bullet nicked him.
Trump has given number one priority to getting based loyalists in control of the means of organised violence, and moving disloyal elements in the means of organised violence out of Washington, out of politically sensitive positions.
The first assassin is a mystery man, but was obviously receiving cover from the Globohomo in charge of the secret service. Details of the decision making process that led to his sniper perch being left out of the security perimeter remain strangely unavailable. The second assassin has innumerable strange connections with the Ukraine project and powerful people in the Globohomo apparatus.
Trump surely knows that they are itching to kill him. He is a warrior. He has the army.
NEET: I wouldn’t be blackpilled on it, look at the sex and age breakdowns. It doesn’t matter how libtarded women get because they can just be enslaved at any given moment. Zoomers and alphies are more likely to describe themselves as conservative than the over 60s crowd. And they don’t mean Young Republican conservatism eager to talk to you about corporate personhood and taxes in the $100-250k tax bracket. More like “if the lights go out for two hours, I’m going to start collecting ears.”
You glow in the dark. What shill test did you pass?
Hey Bill! Bill!!!!!!
Poor Trevor Moore. Dude died of a broken neck trying auto-fellatio.
Let’s start by rounding up all of the people in the west who “stand with ukraine” and conscripting them directly to the front lines. They can stay there. This is their war, not ours.
https://x.com/rageculturemag/status/1919532931036402143
> À 10:05 Macron désigne les “Lumières Noires” comme l’ennemi du projet universaliste des Lumières.
Oddly specific
Re: animus vs mossadnik on aliens (and lots of other things).
First, I’d like to say that watching a kike-fag debate is an absolute delight, especially since both sides combine shit talk with robust attempts at reasoning on the nature of reality; if nothing else, then at least gradually hammering out their own positions on various topics and subtopics, due to challenges from the other. Nice. Personal cognitive evolution due to external stressors happening in real time.
Second, to address the anal side of the debate at first. I too, as many others, enjoy a good sci-fi book or show where aliens — good or bad or neutral — are present. And yes, knowing deeper into the knowledge of the universe will likely lead sooner or later to some form of “contact” with “something”. Not in the way it is usually presented, and this can only happen and not lead to catastrophic results, if the humans doing this are being rational and virtuous, and both are only possible if God’s will is being followed. The moment it stops being followed, both the “rationalism” and the “virtue” become fake a gay, which is easily measurable by a corresponding abrupt crash in the ability to achieve anything in empirical reality, and a retreat to necro-cultist solipsism.
Third, to address the honored shlomo side. Aliens of course cannot possibly exist as presented in popular culture. We have great men, who centuries ago, through reason and intuition, have mapped the limitations of the mortal human world, and the mechanics of this world hardly would allow for aliens hollywood style. We as men inhabit a mortal world inside which we have two basic things to do: 1) figure out the laws of this world and how to use them in the most beneficial way for both us and the world, and/or 2) figure out what God expects of us and lead life accordingly. Both 1 and 2 can be greatly helped along via valid divine revelation.
In trad sci-fi the Earth is the cradle of civilization and we must move out. That’s for sure. On a philosophical level, our current human reality (the “mortal dimension”) is also a kindergarten. Sooner or later we’ll likely have to start mapping out what is beyond it, and *that’s” when “aliens” and such will start popping up. And we’d even have to first classify them which is sentient, which is a blind unthinking force etc…
Some prompted over covfefe A.I.-generated stuff on the subject below. Not quite what I would have said, but close enough:
*Non-Human Patterns Mistaken for Sentience*
Human cognition is hypersensitive to agency. The mind often mistakes complexity, change, or pattern-recognition for intelligence or intention. Some examples:
Insect life: The leafcutter ant or beehive exhibits astonishing collective behavior—appearing almost “commanded” by an invisible intelligence. But this arises from decentralized algorithms and chemical signaling, not conscious strategy.
Plant life: The Mimosa pudica folds its leaves when touched—seeming shy. Carnivorous plants time their closures. These may appear reactive or “aware” to the lay observer, but are slow biochemical feedback loops.
Inanimate/force-based examples:
A ferrofluid “dancing” in sync with magnetic fields.
A plasma arc flickering as if moving with intent.
Heat convection currents creating patterns that appear to “seek” balance.
These illusions of intention are projections. Nature reacts, and we anthropomorphize, creating the illusion of communication or consciousness where there may be none.
*The Sensory Bubble: Hume → Kant → Schopenhauer*
David Hume skeptically argued that all knowledge arises from sensory impressions. Causality itself, for Hume, is a habit of association—we never “see” causation, only sequences. Thus, our minds invent invisible connections.
Immanuel Kant, in response, asserted that space, time, and causality are a priori categories—ways the human mind must structure perception. We do not perceive things-in-themselves (noumena), only appearances (phenomena) shaped by these mental filters.
Arthur Schopenhauer radicalized this: the world is representation—filtered entirely through the subject’s forms of intuition. The “thing-in-itself” is utterly unknowable, save for a special case: the human will, which gives us insight into noumenal being only through introspection and suffering.
Thus, humanity lives inside a sensory-epistemic bubble—what we take to be “the world” is a structured hallucination tuned for survival, not truth.
*On Glimpses, Glimmers, and the Impossibility of Certainty*
If true “external” entities or forces exist—real aliens, angels, demons, gods, or incomprehensible sentiences—they likely do not inhabit the same sensory matrix we do. They would operate outside our conditioned categories of time, space, agency, and form.
What we get, then, are glimpses:
A shape half-seen in altered states.
A recurring dream pattern.
A statistically strange set of electromagnetic data.
A coincidence that feels too precise to dismiss.
These aren’t proofs. They’re shadows on the bubble’s edge. Whether something is “out there” or not may never be answered in clean, binary terms.
*Conclusion: Toward a Post-Sci-Fi Maturity*
Even if the question of “Are we alone?” is ever to be settled, it will not unfold in the cinematic terms science fiction has conditioned us to expect. There may be no landing crafts, no tentacles, no beings who “speak” with us.
Instead, the frontier lies in slow, painstaking epistemic work:
Mapping disturbances in our reality models.
Cataloging anomalous forces, events, patterns.
Building post-human conceptual frameworks for intelligence, intention, and life.
Only after this foundational work may we begin to reclassify:
Sentient vs semi-sentient.
Animate vs inanimate.
Responsive vs reflexive.
When that moment comes—if it ever does—the current debates about aliens may appear almost childish in their anthropomorphic assumptions. Like cavemen arguing over whether lightning is a bird or a god, we may look back at ourselves as dreamers mistaking shadows for meaning, yet not entirely wrong to dream.
**
It is also important to note that the human tendency to project sentience and agency onto the world—onto insect colonies, plant behavior, weather patterns, and even inanimate objects—does not necessarily invalidate the possibility of deeper intelligence or divine patterns underpinning reality. Projection is a cognitive reflex, a way the brain organizes stimuli into familiar frameworks—but its ubiquity does not mean that all sensed agency is false, nor that true agency does not exist. The error lies not in the act of seeing pattern, but in assuming the pattern must resemble ourselves.
A leaf that curls when touched, a magnetic fluid that ripples in response to unseen forces, or a machine that malfunctions with eerie timing may only appear sentient due to our desire for meaning—but this appearance neither proves nor disproves the existence of hidden structures or intelligences. Just as a mirage may reflect real heat even if the image is illusory, so too might our projections, however crude, be shadows of real architectures beyond our grasp. The presence—or absence—of anthropomorphic features tells us little about the actual nature of what lies beyond the veil of perception.
Thus, even if many of our encounters with the unknown are shaped by imagination, tradition, or neurocognitive habits, they may still carry faint traces of genuine contact. The challenge is not to banish projection altogether, but to learn to distinguish it from deeper resonance—to develop ways of seeing that neither flatten mystery into myth nor dismiss it through reduction. In this sense, the work of understanding external entities—if they exist—demands not just better instruments, but a broader kind of humility: one that recognizes the limits of both skepticism and belief.
**
If external entities do exist—whether intelligent, responsive, or operating on forms of agency we can barely imagine—they would face an immense challenge in crossing into our perceptual world. To interact meaningfully within the human sensory bubble, they would need to *construct avatars*—provisional forms that operate within the limits of space, time, and causality as we experience them. Such avatars might appear as humanoid beings, animals, or even machines, designed not for fidelity to the entity’s true nature, but for comprehensibility within our symbolic and sensory frameworks.
Alternatively, these entities might *inhabit or temporarily co-opt* complex hosts—human bodies, animal nervous systems, or networked machines—using them as vehicles for presence, communication, or observation. From their perspective, this might resemble a deep dive into a dense, alien environment—like donning a diver’s suit to enter a hostile ocean floor. Whatever their method, the act of “showing themselves” would be less a revelation of true form than an act of translation, mediated through the fragile interface between two radically different modes of being.
If we get to them, while they do not get to us, if we visit their territory, rather than being visited by them on our territory, then we are necessarily the advanced universe-conquering civilization, and they are not. And to the best of our knowledge, we have, indeed, not been visited by “them” or shown any indication that “they” have made any significant, noteworthy civilizational progress; very likely because “they” have made no such progress whatsoever. Thus, it is fundamentally the human race and civilization that is Divinely-Cosmically Meaningful, whereas those other civilizations we may — or may not! — eventually discover somewhere, whatever their values in their own rights, are in essence not nearly as central to the Divine Plan as we are.
Hence, as far as we are concerned, whatsoever transpires here on the Blue Ball will have dramatic implications for the universe itself – we are extremely significant, rather than extremely insignificant, as proponents of Human Cosmic Inferiority might have one (falsely) believe. Our civilization is absolutely Meaningful.
Given the immensity of time, any alien civilisation is going to be much earlier than us, or much later than us. And obviously no one around within our past light cone earlier than us.
Exactly that.
And so to spell it out to the lurker, who may or may not be Elon Musk: It is our destiny to conquer the stars and subdue them; to do that we need to maintain healthy fertility levels for a long-term duration; to keep our fertility healthy we must fully abolish Feminism and restore patriarchy; and to do that (competently) we need to return to God and institute a based state religion.
It all ties in very neatly.
How to refute this young earth creationism?
https://creation.com/nl/articles/morganucodon
https://creation.com/mammal-like-reptiles-major-trait-reversals-and-discontinuities
Needs no refutation. They argue that the fossil evidence of transition forms between reptiles and mammals is kind of weak.
Hardly a killer argument. Fossils very rarely survive, and are usually in bad shape.
We do have transition fossils, and they are arguing that those transition fossils are weak — that they are not knockdown evidence of transition.
But we have plenty of evidence for evolution, notably the five fingered hand. The dolphin has a surprisingly human looking, and entirely useless, hand inside its flipper. Why do all reptiles and mammals either have five fingered hands, or are provably descended from creatures that had five fingered hands — even if they have no use for hands, and all the fingers but one or two are vestigial.
The platypus is itself a living fossil indicative of transition between reptiles and mammals, retaining quite a few reptilian characteristics. They argue that the evidence for reptilian transition characteristics in this ratlike creature is weak. Very likely it is weak. But if it was entirely nonexistent, would not matter much.
i saw videos of fish standing and walking at the bottom of the sea using their fins, it was not knockdown evidence , but it was mighty weird.
what put off a lot of people about evolution , is the fact it is a tenet of militant atheist and a signal for the progs. worship of Science and anti religion banner.
Regressives were always half-hearted in their use of darwinism as a totem, because at heart they are fundamentally antinomian, and any form of natural-law-like thinking at all will be run afoul of eventually.
They tolerated the straw debates of straw soldiers against straw men only as long as the targets were nominally Christian – and Christian Europoids specifically. The moment any showed signs of ‘leaving the reservation’ is the moment they would get slapped down by censure from their taste-making masters. And once the regressive church had fully secured power, and moved on to even more highly advanced forms of greivance-mongering, is the moment the ‘internet atheist’ set got jettisoned as Surplus To Requirements, as well.
The groundhogs look up from their burrows and are bewildered to find they have been left behind by the march of revolution.
Yeah, and eventually the (former) Internet Fedoraists split into would-be trooners and would-be chuddhas, and clearly the latter demographic has now numerically overtaken the former one. And so Evolution stopped being cringe and became based, and the concept of GNON is now within broad consensus.
Leftism is reverse Darwinism: Tax the fit to feed the unfit until humanity devolves back into dim-witted cannibalistic apes.
Yes.
When ever the Left tactically embraces any form of realism (sex realism, race realism, etc.), it’s only to further accelerate the processes of dyscivilization and dysgenics, by means of teleological inversion.
In other words: the solution to problems caused by leftism (social entropy) is always, of course, even greater leftism (social entropy); for which they may, by means of demonic inversion, selectively admit — and then proceed to abuse — this or that aspect of external reality.
Thus, if they ever recognize that e.g. white men are inherently superior to everyone else in terms of civilizational output, it will only serve the purpose of intensifying their expropriation.
Leftists are spiritual parasites
For another example, whenever a YouTube video bemoans the plunging birthrate of an Asian country that recently abolished patriarchy but still does not accept single motherhood or mass immigration, the only possible solution is single motherhood and mass immigration, never a return to patriarchy.
Symmetric contractual marriage is the problem. Women don’t understand and just don’t do contracts. It is just not part of their nature.
Marriage imposes an obligation on the man to cherish, to take care of, the woman and their offspring, an obligation on the woman to honor and obey (sexual, domestic, and reproductive services.) It is fundamentally asymmetric and unequal, or else it is not marriage.
Another example in the same vein is when leftists talk about “overpopulation.” Oh yes, the population of the planet has indeed increased – but who exactly is it whose numbers have increased, hmmm? Not civilization-creating Aryans or East-Asians; those populations fail to breed, and are growing older and sicker and weaker.
The natural thing is for a person to think about his descendants: children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, and so forth. But in the West, people stopped doing that, for two primary reasons: 1. Endless disingenuous propaganda about “overpopulation,” as if having 14 or 88 billion niggers in Africa should mean that European wombs must all go barren; 2. Endless propaganda about “merging into the machine,” so much so that people actually imagine their descendants as beeping and booping robots.
No, dear reader of Hajnal Line ancestry, your grandchildren will not, in fact, be machines. And if you fail to reproduce now, then you will not have grandchildren, and you will die lonely and miserable in the cold freezing darkness, likely beaten and eaten by roving gangs of cannibals.
Leftists use “overpopulation” to murder the white race and its civilization.
And to be clear, I’m not against technological advancement; the precise opposite is the case – I’d like us to conquer the whole universe, as GNON commands us, and that certainly requires technological progress. To have that, however, you can’t replace the civilized races with an infinity of niggers; and you must not imagine that your grandchildren will be robots, as that mentality leads you to not have any real (human) grandchildren, since you actually expect some robots to show up instead. This is totally retarded and will lead your civilization to collapse, as the Devil, inspirer of all gay gnostics everywhere, intends.
Think about who exactly your descendants will be.
“Overpopulation” is designed to make you accept the murder of civilization-creating races because the population of 70 IQ oogah boogah coons swinging from trees in the jungles of Africa has indeed increased dramatically.
And “Merging into the machine THIS CENTURY!” [it will never happen] is designed to make you forget that you need real, human, biological descendants to fill the universe and subdue it, because supposedly some robots will show up instead and will do all that for you.
The popular cultural narrative (also false) about the universe being filled with advanced extraterrestrial civilizations likewise serves the same exat goal – to dissuade you from reproducing and from taking human civilization seriously, since they made you falsely believe that some sexless commie bleepy-bloopies out there who don’t actually exist will take care of the universe, and already are doing so, so you don’t need to do that yourself, and there is no real loss on a cosmic scale if human civilization disappears.
In fact, we are alone in the universe, civilization is not created by niggers, and robots cannot replace your grandchildren and great-grandchildren. To fulfill our responsibility towards the Cosmos, need to reproduce; that necessitates the abolition of female mate choice and the restoration of patriarchy; and that necessitates a based state religion to ensure that no gay gnostics use meme warfare to sabotage the whole thing.
Anyone voicing “concern about overpopulation” is deliberately trying to annihilate civilization, since the only population whose numbers have gone out of control a la Sailer’s famous “Most Important Graph” is that of Africans who are breeding by the billions, aka the Infinigger Problem. The surest way to solve this “overpopulation” instantly is to bombard with nukes the entire African continent; somehow they never suggest that.
The high civilized races — those that actually fulfill the civilizational telos as GNON commanded, rather than swinging from trees and throwing feces and banana peels at each other — have the exact opposite problem, while the gnostics, antinomians, postmodernists, etc., employ every false narrative possible to disrupt the formation of stable fertile families (“ewww, breeders!”) because they are disgusted by heterosexuality, want civilization to die, want you to die, and ultimately want themselves to die. So they tell you high tales about how the robots are coming to replace you and your descendants so you need not worry about having any biological descendants, hence also muh Global Warming, muh Overpopulation, muh Advanced Extraterrestrials, and so on false ideas designed to convince you that your biological continuity is unimportant and le bad.
It all fundamentally has a deicidal, cosmocidal, and suicidal intention. Necrosis Cult!
Some of those fish live in the mudflat shallows, and frequently get stranded. When stranded, they can survive by breathing air, at least for a while, though they do not like it.
If raised on land from birth by meddling scientists, they develop stronger leg bones and muscles from the struggle of getting around, better lungs from the struggle of breathing, and wind up looking rather like salamanders. So with no genetic change, no evolutionary change, just individual effort, they can transition from an obligate sea animal, a fish, to an amphibian. There is your intermediate form right there alive today.
Why does ever reptile and mammal have five fingers (sometimes only one or two main fingers with the rest vestigial)?
Because, long ago there was five fingered fish that would hang out in fast flowing streams, holding onto something so that it could remain still, so that its prey would not see it, and would swim past, or be carried past, and then caught. It had legs like the fish you describe, and hands to hold onto things so that it could hold position. And presumably had air breathing capability because shallow streams, like mud flats, are apt to dry up.
And we have a reasonable number of fossils of these five fingered predatory fish.
Well, the land at that time was occupied by enormous bugs, big insects and things somewhat like crabs, somewhat like spiders, and somewhat like scorpions. So it got out of the water to grab them, and became an amphibian. And to this day most amphibians live on bugs, though the bugs have become smaller, and so the amphibians have become smaller.
We know the mudflat fish can be an amphibian if it has to. These critters are relative of the mudflat living fish, in that the bone structure of their leg fins is similar. So if it can do it, they could too.
The sticking point of evolution, is the evolution of man , if you accept evolution, then you are ape , religion, morality all form of philosophy is bunkum. Or more like tools for better organize to group.
I just don’t see this , human even lower order are clearly fundamentally not ape / animals.
Nuts. Obviously there is a difference between organising the group on righteousness and truth, and other forms of organising the group. And apes are entirely capable of reacting to unfairness. So they can see the difference, though less well than we can.
It is entirely obvious that we are risen killer apes. Just look. Look around, and look inside yourself. Still killer apes. That does not make religion and morality meaningless. We are not just killer apes, we are much more than that. But we are still killer apes. A salamander is still obviously a fish with legs in large part, and we are still obviously a killer ape in large part.
This is where Ayn Rand did her best work, in the _Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology_. Categories (concepts) are based on observed reality, and they are identified and named by men. Concepts such as table, chair, stool, and even furniture are not based on Platonic essences lurking forever outside our dark cave, but on observable essential characteristics shared by all the things subsumed by the concept.
Many people like to take jabs at this philosophy by bringing up weird corner cases, e.g. “what about this color here at 625 nm lurking on the border between orange and red?” But the key there is we are perfectly capable of identifying and naming that new color *if and when it matters.* These people can come up with something that’s arguably either a chair or a stool and say “see, concepts are entirely arbitrary and we can’t really know anything.” Horse feathers. There are many distinctions that simply do not matter one bit, except to fuel late night sophomoric discussions in a dorm room. Those were admittedly fun, but to the extent that they interfere with our ability to know and do the will of God, they are high-order sin.
God’s first commandments to man were (1) be fruitful and multiply, and (2) rule over every living creature in the sea, sky, and ground. I love how God brought the creatures to the man “to see what he would name them.” I’ve never bought the notion that God is so omniscient that he knows in advance the entirety of the universal wave function across all space and time. He knows the broad sweep of it and He knows exactly when and where to intervene to accomplish His purpose, but there are countless examples in scripture that lead me away from ultra-Calvinism, including many where man bargains with God.
God imprinted His own Logos nature into man, in the very image of Himself, and He stepped back to see what we would do. Turns out we screwed up very badly, but He poured out His own life blood to make us new again — and this time by God’s own power we will become creatures more glorious than Adam and Eve could ever aspire to be.
In a speech to the Masonic Great Lodge of France (!!!) Macron calls out “the dark enlightenment” as an enemy.
“There is a current zeitgeist where hatred expresses itself, with antisemitic rage and the furor of algorithms. Through the Freemasonry, it is, at bottom, the project of revolution and emancipation of which you are, with others, the guardians, that is targeted. Nowadays, there is a new project, born in the United States, but which will, I don’t doubt it, plant seeds here in France and Europe—the explicit project of the Dark Enlightenment. These want to erase the legacy of three centuries at least of human progress. To the liberty of men, the Dark Enlightenment opposes the force of reality. To equality of birth, the hierarchy of status. To universal brotherhood, the reign of war and predation. This ideological project is real, and through men and women, it intends to rule. It is yet another enemy of the Enlightenment who have arisen to oppose this movement of conscience and knowledge. I think of ideologies of hate that want to separate people in reason of their origin, their gender, their religion, and who in doing so attack the pillars of Republican reason and thought.”
Seem that the eye of sauron fell on the dark enlightenment, a lot of powerful people both in thermidor and GAE are reading the dark enlightenment. luckily GAE are exiled from US for now.
hope that reactionary capitalize on this and take power. one thing that GAE has , is that when it able to define an enemy , it will go after him with vengeance and destroy it with holy fire, look at the Nazi ( ex Dresden bombing ). Dark enlightenment lived and expanded because the left couldn’t see it , for the thought crime, but now they can.
They can probably now identify the Dark Enlightenment as their newest boogeyman (if for no other reason than that the Alt-Right itself has basically matured into Dark Enlightenment), but they still absolutely don’t get its memeplex – crimestop is prohibiting them from grasping it, and if crimestop ever shuts down for a certain someone, he will likely just convert to the worldview rather than seek to destroy it.
Does anyone know any leftist (IRL or online) who both truly understands the Dark Enlightenment and is still a true-believing leftist? Seems quite unlikely. The modern shitlib, at the very least, is just not capable of such high level of doublethink. Leftism has long been selecting for stupidity, among other things, and idiots don’t grok the DE, nor are they tech-savvy enough to bring down the Right’s platforms.
Macron is a dumbass, and his handlers, now exiled from their former base of operations, are not much brighter. Hence, the Right is winning.
People might bring up the gnostic kike Scott Alexander, but at this point he should not be counted among the true-believers of the prog faith; while still essentially on Team Cthulhu, he has deviated way too far from the official orthodoxy.
All Scott’s deviations were attempts to explain, rationalise, and justify evil, insane, malicious, and absurd positions. He was deemed a heretic because the average lefty is unable to understand the rationalisation, and therefore suspects Scott of noticing the insanity and absurdity. Which in fact he does, or else he would not feel the need to rationalise and justify.
He recently wrote:
https://archive.is/e1sEy
Entirely divorced from the Divine Reality manifested in the real-world and from its objective dictates.
He has his snowflake “moral commitments” (some abstract models that exist solely in his head, motivated by his flawed and infantile impulses) and they lead him to beep boop compute and calculate and arrive at the perfectly reasonable and rational conclusion that he should side with the Satanists, albeit admitting that they just might occasionally fall short of absolute perfection.
It’s a recurring theme with leftards. Everything revolves around their “moral commitments,” which is really just a way of saying, “Screw your ontology, I have my own idiosyncratic fee-fees that I need to satisfy.”
What ultimately matters, therefore, is not external observable reality, but how he personally feels about this or that aspect thereof, having done some undoubtedly super clever and super verbose analysis – or rather, as you say, rationalization. And having split-brains, they just don’t catch themselves doing it, even when literally committing to writing that this is precisely how their ‘thinking’ goes.
It’s Gnosticism all the way, no matter how much clever verbiage they might spill to justify it.
The outer parties, the parties of the uniparty right, the “center right”, are committing suicide, which temporarily results in massive left wing victories, as with Labor in Britain.
The Tories in Britian stood for mass migration of aliens to live on welfare, the destruction of the real British economy under the paper thin excuses of net zero, trade agreements, international law, and anything else that came in handy, taxation far above the Laffer limit, and the abolition of the difference between men and women. And they have recently released a bunch of “where did we go wrong” papers which conclude that the solution is to stand for all those things even harder. They responded to defeat by the left in much the same way as the Democrats responded to defeat by the alt right. Supposedly, no matter the problem, the solution is to go further left.
Experience cheerfully shows that it is very rare. The DE has years of hard-fought internet debate behind it. The left has years of escalating nodding in agreement. I’ve yet to meet a leftist who throws arguments at me that haven’t already been addressed in depth.
Scott Alexander seems to understand rather a lot less than he once did. Funny how that works.
Artificial stupidity. The left is full of it. That is why they are unable to see us even though we are in plain sight.
For most leftists, more years alive means more years surrounded by other leftists inside this or that leftist bubble. Thus, the older they get, the more insulated from reality they become, and the more prone they are to succumb to (or “socialize into”) groupthink, while of course self-assuredly maintaining the self-image of independent thinkers. They end-up increasingly agreeing with fellow bubble denizens, and increasingly disagreeing with external reality.
Exactly so.
The refuse feedback from external reality, because external reality is a rival ape whom they seek to out-alpha. Like Talmudic rabbis, they ever increasingly contend against God, believing (and confidently reassuring each other) that they win and God loses.
> The refuse feedback from external reality, because external reality is a rival ape whom they seek to out-alpha.
Great analogy. Frequently it’s not even “to out-alpha” the rival ape called reality (few of them are capable of out-alphing a hamster), but to castrate it, starve it, exile it, banish it whenever possible. Banish the rival ape and pretend it never existed, or remember it as a warped myth of evil.
Thanks.
Credit should go to some other commenter who first came up with this analogy (or was it Jim?), though. Yeah, it’s a good one.
And indeed, once the leftism undergoes that final transformation into what Bruce Charlton calls “Sorathic evil,” it becomes anti-cosmism, the desire to slaughter the rival ape — and they’re more than willing to pay the ultimate price and die in the process; necros gonna necro, after all — all the while, of course, self-presenting and self-conceiving as holy holy pious pious.
“Kill everyone and destroy everything” is the logical and spiritual conclusion of leftism. Anti-cosmism, under holier-than-thou garb. Sorathic leftists are indeed spiteful, and indeed mutants, and while their excuses may change from year to year, if not from day to day, the anti-cosmic impulse always lurks there deep within their psyches.
“Credit should go to some other commenter who first came up with this analogy (or was it Jim?), though. Yeah, it’s a good one.”
IIRC, our PC brought it up and Jim expanded on it.
Makes sense. Geniuses gonna genius!
To expound some more on this point:
Freud might say that Sorathic leftists view God/Cosmos as their father, and — exactly as in the Biblical narrative about the Devil — they are in rebellion against Him (and tempting the rest of humanity to join them), since they despise His rules, and indeed, despise any rules. And, perhaps upon realizing at last that the rebellion against dad is fundamentally futile, they then seek to commit cosmic patricide-suicide.
It’s exactly that.
>Leftists “refuse feedback from external reality, because external reality is a rival ape whom they seek to out-alpha.”
A related observation:
—Dorothy L. Sayers, Introductory Papers on Dante
Good stuff.
I read Jesus and Buddha as advocating the killing of one’s ego (or Pride) for that very reason – you eliminate the ego so that you can fully submit yourself to Reality and to Reality’s God. They explained it in different ways, to be sure, but the result is the same: GOD’S WILL.
When the Satanist Aleister Crowley said, “Do what you will shall be the whole of the law,” that is exactly what he sought to abolish. Well, Crowley is dead, and God is alive.
(That’s not exactly what I said a few months ago, but then I decided to read some Buddhism, and yeah, it is a based reigion. Obviously the West should be Christian, but I see no reason to devalue the Eastern Traditions. All godly paths ultimately lead to patriarchy and poofs off roofs.)
So what? Their game is not to argue, it is to provoke and repress. Make assertions that are utterly stupid and bugfuck insane, and when challenged, complain to authority that you are being mean, rude, bigoted, racist, sexist, etc. to them, and if authority refuses to act, then stage a mutiny.
When some loudmouthed shitlib is ranting about how Elon Musk doesn’t know how to build anything and just exploits engineers who do, the rational and socially appropriate way to “address his argument” is to punch him very hard in his stupid smug face, and tell him never to come by again.
I’m not sure how we ever managed to circle back to this frame of “debating the left”. I thought we were done with that a long time ago.
Huh, no I guess I disagree.
Well I mean… Definitely depends on the context of course. When I talk with a more hardline leftist, I am not talking from the frame of ‘oh you poor misguided sod’. I always feel the evil seeping through — the pride, the malice, the envy… All disguised as virtues. We agree on that.
But there’s many other reasons to talk, or at least try to talk.
One is perhaps a more cultural one. Intellectually, Europe is about 10 maybe 15 years behind the US. Back then you many of you were still taking John McCain serious. It’s a bit like that here still. There just is no solid alt-right cultural circle. Everyone is marinated in leftism. So, it’s good to break that spell and say “hey, there’s another way of looking at things.”
Another reason is that I find raw debate spiritually healty. Sometimes I feel a tad too smart for my own good, and it is good to have a debate remind you you don’t know everything, even if it is with someone who just gets a lot of shit wrong in dumb ways.
A final reason would be that we are in somewhat of a vanguard position. We are setting the tone, memetically. So I try to set a good example.
I don’t think many of us here were taking John McCain seriously 15 years ago. America has had a serious dissident intellectual movement going all the way back to the founding, first with the anti-Federalist papers, then carried on through individuals like Robert Lewis Dabney in the 19th century and Pat Buchanan in the 20th. So has Europe, incidentally, or at least England; Filmer and Carlyle published their works long before any of ours.
The people who took John McCain seriously were/are grillers, not leftists. So if that is who you mean here, then you are not in fact debating any leftists, you are simply giving normies private permission to doubt the social consensus. That is a good thing to do, but it is not really a debate, it is not dialectic, there is no logic involved, it is just getting normal people to admit what they already know and believe but have been conditioned to lie about, which is as smooth and easy as calling a dog into the kitchen at dinner time.
Debate among honest intellectuals is indeed healthy. Debate with demons is folly.
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If someone is wholly demon, beyond redemption, it is good to not be afraid and instill in the demon the fear of light.
If someone is partly demon, good to try and show them the demons inside them.
Of course leftists are not intellectually honest. No one on the serious right thinks “If I just cite one more fact, I’ll convert them.” Whether to engage with them is a complicated thing that’s so entirely situation-dependent that one couldn’t even begin to come up with a general rule a la “Debate them in this situation; don’t debate them in this other situation.”
Years ago I engaged with leftists in an online debate in which they’d been saying outrageously false things about a topic on which I’m quite well informed. My goal was not to convert the lefties (as if!) but to let uninformed people in that forum know that they were being spoonfed a glop of rank lies.
At some point each of us here realized he was being fed a glop of rank lies by The Cathedral. I have specific memories of some of the key moments in which that happened, and several of them definitely were sparked by a truth teller intruding into the Empire of Lies propaganda stream.
“… several of them definitely were sparked by a truth teller intruding into the … propaganda stream.”
Yes, indeed. “Why bother (debating Lefty)?” It’s often helpful to me to think, not of my direct interlocutor, but of the nameless, quiet, searching audience taking in the conversation.
Looks like the party is starting in the subcontinent.
Interesting, this can develop into anything from Nothing Burger to Nuke Burger.
“International observers united by indifference to both sides.”
Pakistan was a psyop state from the beginning though so while brother-wars are historical calamities in general I lean towards favoring our dharma-bros prevailing.
Thanks for your kind words, but probabilistically speaking, nothing much will happen. Neither we nor the Pakis are a fighting people. The war nerd called it here in 2002, https://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-called-it-indians-and-pakis-too-faggy-for-war/all/1/
Little has changed since then. Just like the war nerd wants America to kick ass which America proceeds to not do, I want the Hindus to kick ass, while they proceed to get theirs kicked.
I’m thoroughly cynical at this point.
This time it feels different though. Modi has taken the Pahalgam attack personal. Putin also backed Modi and seems to have given Bharat serious spine.
May not escalate into full war, but there is a 50% chance that it may. Nukes flying I give it a 10% chance.
Pakistani is far more radicalised than ever and Hindutva is a lot less faggy under Modi than before 2014.
I don’t think this matters much. India is hitting proxy forces that are officially not the Pakistani army, much as Russia is hitting forces that are officially not Nato.
The India Pakistan war is at roughly the same level as the Nato Russian war.
Of course wars tend to escalate. The Russia Nato war has been escalating since 2010, and despite Trump’s commitment to peace, continues to escalate.
Wars are easy to start, hard to stop. Once you set foot on that road, hard to turn around, and the further you walk down the road, the harder it gets to turn around. At the end of the road on which we and Russia are still walking, and the end of the road on which India and Pakistan are walking, the nukes will fly.
But the nukes flying here concerns me more than the nukes flying there.
Back the 1990s and 2000s, it was easy even for conservative Dharmics to pretend that India-Pakistan conflict was a purely territorial one, arising out of disputes of the Partition. This was the “globohomo” line of the day which was parrotted by the West and put India at a great disadvantage, since Pakistan could keep up the propaganda that Jihadis were really “Kashmiri freedom fighters” desperately battling the Indian state to get freedom for their beloved State, while India could only hold on the line that Kashmir is an “integral part of India” which was kind of hesitant and unconvincing in the International stage.
But in 2025, it is hard even for dyed-in-the-wool libtards to convincingly say “terror has no religion”. Nobody is buying it and since 2014, India has officially also slowly discarded this pretence. Most dharmics now see this conflict for what it is: a holy war being waged by Jihadists against Dharmic civilization; Mohemmadans vs Dharmics, just as the Russia-NATO conflict is a war between globohomo and Russian Orthodoxy.
If I were not an Israeli, I’d probably post a lot more anti-Islam stuff. But it’s really not my intention to be a zio shill or to come across as one, so I don’t do that. But yeah, there is obviously a global problem with Mohammedanism… they just will not make stable long-term peace with anyone. Eventually, either the whole world becomes Muslim, or Islam is resoundingly defeated. Currently the focus in the West should be defeating Progressivism, but of course, as you say, terror has a religion.
I stand with the Dharmics! And if you actually end-up nuking the Pakis, we over here might derive some inspiration and testicular fortitude to build a certain thing on a certain mountain and piss off some sand niggers.
I noticed that Israel is one of the few countries that has actually supported India’s strikes against Pakistan. I think that Israel has too similar a situation to pretend that diplomacy and de escalation is practical or feasible with the desert cultists.
The fact that India was one of the few countries that didn’t condemn Israel’s war against Hamas also would have played a role in Israel’s response.
Remember the Chabad house attack by jihadists in the 2008 Mumbai attacks affected Israel as well.
Yep. And that’s why they do everything in their power to Color Revolution Bibi. They see him getting along perfectly well with Putin, Modi, Orban, etc., pretty much with all the based or relatively based world leaders, and he’s been doing that for decades – and they really hate it. I have my own share of criticisms against the ol’ Bib, but I do pray to God that the prog conspirators (basically the leftist elite ruling this country and their Democrat handlers) will fail to oust him, and that he will only resign after his historical mission is complete.
Well Modi has just about managed to survive globohomo attempts to remove him last year. But they did dent his absolute majority. So long as democracy exists such vulnerability will remain.
Ditching democracy and embracing divine monarchy is the way forward. I just don’t see it on the horizon yet.
Some nuclear armed (memetically sovereign) country will have to be the “first,” that is, set an example for the rest of the world of, as you say, “ditching democracy and embracing divine monarchy.” Possibly it will be Russia; the globo-homos will say that it already is not a “real democracy,” but I’d like to see Putin — or, for that matter, any of his successors — actually reinstituting Tsardom. When such a thing happens, Great Men in other memetically sovereign countries might well opt for some Sovereignty of their own.
I get a whole lot of death to Islam shills, who are shilling the globohomo program of world conquest.
But they, and you have a point. We will need to deal with Islam eventually. But not by incorporating them into Globohomo.
The Koran prescribes that all peace treaties are to be broken as quickly as possible. No permanent peace with those who do not follow the prophet.
It forbids private terrorism, but Islam has a long history of state sponsored terrorism, going back to near the beginning. Bin Laden was originally Saudi sponsored. When the Saudis changed their minds, he went shopping for new sponsors, and eventually wound up near the center of power in Pakistan.
The Chechen leadership can successfully forbid terrorism for a while, having fought a long and terrible war and lost, but eventually they or their successors will feel bad about it, or lose power to Mohammedans holier than they are. The Afghan leadership should be able to successfully forbid terrorism for a while, having fought a long and terrible war and won, but they are facing trouble over this issue from elements holier than they are.
It is not time for us to deal with Islam yet. We have, and you have, bigger enemies within.
Eventually nukes will be used. Trump wants to deny Iran nuclear capability. Might succeed, but will not succeed forever.
Nuking them pre-emptively is unchristian, but it is not unjewish.
Well Dharmic Reality, look at this:
https://archive.is/cGHH2
The real tl;dr here is that “religion is everything.” No Bishop, no King!
The secularized (satanized) Occident may erroneously believe that it got away from God – nah, lol, His Reality always comes knocking at the door eventually. At least we in Asia remember that, if only because the Mohammedans keep reminding us. Perhaps that’s their cosmic purpose, currently at least.
Right now there is a lot of fog of war but I wouldn’t be surprised if India had used Israeli drones in this attack. Since 2014 India has unsurprisingly become much closer to Israel and a lot of military deals have been made.
Both India and Israel are constantly reminded by their enemies that they are fighting a holy war despite the whole world studiously looking away and pretending that these are territorial disputes.
Exactly so.
And as Jim says, “You bring a gun to a gun fight, and faith to a holy war.” If the West wants to survive — it’s not entirely clear that it does, but at least I want it to survive — it has to rediscover faith, or at least pretend to, “fake it till you make it” style. (Or they will, indeed, not make it.)
Both due to rapidly, catastrophically collapsing fertility, since civilized science-compatible white people are not going to magically descend from the skies, rather, white people come out of white pussies (wombs), and if those go barren — or get fertilized by niggers, for that matter — then the white race will surely go extinct; and since the West is about to face a twofold holy war, an internal one against the deicidal and cosmocidal demon worshippers who seek to destroy civilization and replace Hajnal Liners with cannibals, and an external one against the Mohammedans. The former holy war far more urgent (and facilitates/precipitates the latter, as it is the Progs who open the gates to the Caliphate), but regardless, the solution to all of these problems is one and the same – return to God.
Alas, many Western lurkers must think that this is just an internet LARP. Oh, they will learn the hard way that it really isn’t. At least, that’s the destiny of whoever does not heed and act upon this message. I guess many of them actually expect the AI Demon to show up and save them, and/or to literally become computer programs, or some such; they still “Trust The Experts.”
God or death.
Some preliminary fighting has begun in Kashmir, BBC reports. Jets and possibly missiles so far. I have no strategic insight into this conflict, though a goal to kill Pakis is always commendable.
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Check out the Taweret idol:
https://www.timessquarenyc.org/tsq-arts-projects/grounded-in-the-stars
Twerking while Rome burns.
Well, at least nothing is visibly bulging down there.
Perhaps next year.
The Triumphant Schlongaconda!
Can’t wait until my players are high enough level in our new ACKS campaign to spring this bronze golem on them. “It bellows out in a hollow, brazen voice, ‘OH NO YOU DI’NT!”
Trump’s “minerals deal” is an agreement between the kike-US invading forces, led by Trump, and the ukro nazi collaborators, led by the zelensky joo. The agreement between those two criminal organizations is a “legal” formalization of the conquest of a Russian province by the kike-US empire, in order to loot the Russian province.
The other obvious consequence of Trump’s “deal” is that the US military now has to protect the “private enterprise” US looters, and that implies an even more direct war against Russia.
At the risk of being trollish, I must mention this:
https://apolojedi.com/2025/04/22/yec-is-not-a-cult-but-ane-is/
“What is ANE? Ancient Near East hermeneutical interpretation of the Bible. There is a fashionable method for interpreting the Bible based on what some archeological finds from ancient near east dig sites that scholars have proposed is MORE basic than the Bible. In their view, these cultural findings demand that the Bible must not mean what it says. The text of scripture is now subject to whatever these pagan cultures (that God marked for destruction) meant in their writings. These pagan cultures wrote about certain themes and archetypes, so in the view of these guru scholars, the authors of scripture must have meant the exact same things in their types and symbols. With that hermeneutic, they presume that there was no material creation, no historic fall into sin, no worldwide flood, no historical ages for patriarchs, no tower of Babel…The Pentateuch (particularly Genesis) is barren of history but is instead full of polemics and poetry in accordance with pagan near eastern cultures. Why do I call it a cult?
According to the definition of a cult, there is a (or multiple) authoritarian leadership (gurus). Prior to John Walton and Michael Heiser circa 1990, this idea that the Bible must confirm to pagan writings was unheard of within Christianity. For nearly 2000 years no Christian scholar accepted this type of thinking, but with Walton’s and Heiser’s writing we hear: “trust us, we’re scholars”. It’s no longer SOLA SCRIPTURA…it’s Sola Scholara.
Secondly, ANE exists in tension to mainstream Christianity. Unfortunately, their controlling tactics have been persuasive to many Christians and the pendulum is swinging left in a hurry
Thirdly, these gurus are discouraging people from trusting the Christian fathers of the last 2000 years and your very own eyes. You can read what the Bible says for yourself, but these gurus propose that your ignorant eyes can’t see the deeper meanings in the text. You have to incorporate their special interpretive lens. The trendy scholars have secret knowledge that they are sharing with the masses. This secret knowledge is available for those, who will buy their books and watch their content.
Fourthly, the ideas that they espouse do NOT come from the Bible itself. It comes from the gurus. They found some pagan writings, and they want their special views to be brought into scripture. It’s the opposite of traditional hermeneutical methods, which would instead teach us that only scripture interprets scripture. We should get our understanding from the scriptures themselves, but these ANE gurus tell us that their ANE views must be brought INTO the text”
Combined with YEC this could pose quite a challenge to Dark Enlightenment.
ANE — Ancient Near East interpretation of the Bible, appears to be closely connected to the same academic shilling operation as took over 4Chan.
4Chan fake alt rightism died downstream of the Musk coup against USAID. Likely ANE fake Christianity will expire similarly. Similarly the operation to take over open source is being massively defunded — which is about to cause some open source servers to go down, but no great loss. Servers are cheap, they are just inconvenient to administer. I leased an expensive server for my project, because all the AI crawlers were hitting it, but it turns out there are a few things you can do to slow that right down, currently the server is running at about one percent load and less than one percent bandwidth. I could probably serve all the stuff that Globohomo operations to take over open source are currently serving.
YEC — Young Earth Creationism is based on the Bible and Christian tradition. If it was merely “The Science” rejecting it, merely an opposing magisterial authority, then so much the worse for “The Science”. But anyone can walk in the footsteps of Lyell, and discover for himself that the earth is unimaginably ancient, and death is unimaginably ancient. Christianity simply has to accommodate the undeniable.
Young Earth Creationists are at least a real sect that will have to be dealt with at some point – and here I don’t actually mean violently, but nevertheless firmly, because they are simply wrong, and when a state religion promotes material falsehoods or allows its holy men to promote them, either the religion dies from internal schisms or the state dies due to selecting for stupidity.
It’s time for the church to suck it up and canonize Darwin. Progressives have dropped him like a hot potato anyway, the age of the fedora atheist is over, so it should be a much easier pill for Christians to swallow now.
Whatever ANE is, though, I’m not seeing how it’s any legitimate threat to the DE, or why we need to escalate our response beyond “cool story bro”. We’ve got a lot of real hard work ahead of us and shouldn’t waste time chasing down every whacked-out fringe idea. The shills can start those fires far faster than we can put them out, but most of them don’t need putting out because they fizzle out on their own. Mostly, the shills spread those kinds of ideas so that other shills can point and laugh (or shriek) and pretend they are our ideas, and that dog don’t hunt no more.
Our memes are becoming like The Godfather – not the character, but the movie itself. Even if you haven’t actually seen the film, you know what it’s about and you’ve heard a lot of the best lines. If someone tried to tell you that The Godfather was ack-shully about stunning and brave morbidly obese negro women starting a lesbian motorcycle gang, you’d tell them to go pound sand. Malicious misrepresentation is yesterday’s game.
In general, scientists who are doing actually good science (rather than priests in white coats pretending to do science, as is common) should have a high status in society. As long as they don’t try to turn the social order upside down or otherwise subvert the social immune system, they should be highly respected and rewarded by the Authorities.
A unique saint like Charles Darwin in a reactionary society might even be allowed to own a harem Hugh Hefner style, for instance.
I mean, women should be either wives or whores, obviously the vast overwhelming majority should be wives, but still there will be whores, and I think that uniquely high status men should be allowed to own them.
We want to maximise ownership. The word for a whore owned by a rich man is “concubine”, and we need to make sure that concubines are lower status than wives, but whores lower status than concubines, lower status than absolutely anyone else.
A wife should be higher status than a virgin, a virgin higher status than a concubine, and a whore should have the status of a feral dog.
And wives, virgins, concubines, and whores should be the only female categories. If female is so careless as to lose her virginity, she needs to get married, failing that she should be in trouble.
Your reasoning emotionally here as people do often with sexual matters. Obviously wives highest status
Too many whores being with only one guy causes problems since they sort of need to be available to men collectively when needed. Concubines need to be limited to only an extremely small minority of men we want to have tons of children, most whores should be brothel whores, concubines restricted to certain very high status men. Only such concubines are high status.
Absolute lowest status of women are old maids neither wives nor whores. Whores absolutely should be considered higher status than they are.
Yeah, lifelong penis-refusing women should be the lowest of the low; a schizophrenic homeless prostitute passed around like a dirty needle among emaciated junkies at least provides some value to the world, miniscule as it may be. A lifelong penis-refusing woman is a lifelong waster of oxygen, and such a life course should be severely discouraged, perhaps using creative Cominatorian methods.
For the sake of completeness, widows should be included. If the widow is also a grandmother, her status is on a par with wives, if childless her status will be lower.
Real scientists do God’s work as they help reveal the divine reality, they let us see the world created by God so much better, and for that reason, the state church itself should grant them high status, provided they don’t peddle any subversive heresies.
Obviously the scientists who find cures for horrible diseases such as cancer, alzheimer’s, faggotry, etc., should be richly rewarded. And, God willing, they will be.
In case the Anal Mousse is triggered by this comment –
I just consulted with my Jewish, liberal, almost-boomer mother, the one who agrees that Zelensky needs to be whacked despite initially being pro-Ukraine. I asked her, “Mum, do you agree that men should be attracted to women, women should be attracted to men, and that homosexuality is a disease?” She instantly agreed.
Heck, even the Antichrist himself — Barack Obongo — was more redpilled about faggots in 2008 than Peter Thiel is in 2025 (well, at least he pretended to be), despite being just as gay and being sodomized just as often.
It used to be common knowledge that it’s a disease, but then a bunch of kikes — for whom especially Dr. Mengele should be resurrected using whatever DNA remains from him — pulled off a massive psyop with “Will and Grace” and all that. And because, due to Feminism, everyone is now an incel fapping to traps, faggotry has been successfully “normalized.” But there is obviously nothing normal about it.
Now, ironically, the faggots try to appear based by redirecting your fury towards the kikes. But there is enough space in the oven for both types. And seriously, you should never allow deviants to use meme warfare to normalize their diseases. It is P-O-R until a permanent biological solution is found.
Likely the Chinese or the Russians will find it, since they are allowed to search for it by their respective state religions, while the Priesthood of Harvard smells like feces. The tanks in the yard can’t arrive soon enough!
Scholarly study of link between the biblical stories and other ancient near east stories is totally legitimate, and should not trouble anyone. Doubtless this is being weaponised against Christianity, because everything gets weaponized against Christianity, but it is not inherently a weapon against Christianity.
Yeah, I very much enjoy reading Biblical scholarship of various schools of thought. Obviously, much of it has been “politicized” (taken oven by hostile leftists), but there is still some interesting work being done. After the tanks finally show up in the yard, much of the poz in these fields will go away. In fact, were it not for academia here being thoroughly and absolutely leftist-occupied, I would have enjoyed becoming a Biblical scholar myself. As it is, I only have a high school diploma. Not paying a single shekel to fund my sworn enemies and be lectured by them.
I meant of course the OPPOSITION to ANE studies by YEC and allied groups.
I’m not sure there is much reason to worry about YEC these days. No one is particularly worked up about the age of the planet anymore, at least among the younger generation, and I don’t expect this specific issue to make a comeback, as it’s not all that relevant to anyone’s life. Denying observable reality undermines our whole project, and I’m sure even the fundies can tell which ways lies the Restoration – it’s not about asking people whether or not their grandpa was an ape.
In fact, without actually embracing ewwww Christian Science, even most Orthodox Jews don’t bother anymore with the Youth of the Earth, though opposition to Darwinian Evolution still lingers, albeit it occupies a smaller and smaller percentage of their (intra-Jewish) proselytizing propaganda.
Yes, if you scream out loud your fedoraism, might still get occasionally asked if your grandpa was an ape, but it’s no longer all that central to anyone’s worldview.
Huh, only now, reading my own comment, I get how ironic it is that hurr durr “atheist” science is actually seen by people from outside the culture of historical Christendom as “Christian science.” Lol.
And they are right. The Logos is the Logos.
Well, I myself have been saying all along that “secular Jews” are, in a sense, Christians-in-denial, only that the “Christianity” they are following — mixed as it is with some Judaic elements — is something very gay and demonic; it is post-Christianity.
Viewed from that perspective — atheism being a type of Christianity — one can argue that Israel already is a Christian country. But obviously it’s exactly the wrong type of Christianity.
Papacy Chastity?
Did Jesus ever throw out or teach against women?
Did Jesus ever say he never snuck out for some poontang?
Whole problem with Papacy and Priesthood is you stuff a bunch of straight men in a monastery, often with a bunch of young boys, with no women around, and half or more of them become secretly gay, and pedo. Same for the nunnery becoming lesbos. At that point to excuse themselves they advocate for the gaying of society. And castrating them only makes them gayer.
The only reasonable proof one has their priest isn’t gay, is if he’s a married family man. Or there’s a lot of candelit cloak traffic moving between the monastery and the nunnery at night.
Priests can’t hardly be expected to interpret WQ in bible without the experience of woman.
Hard to miss this anniversary because posters have been announcing it everywhere for months: 80 years since Russia’s victory in the Great Patriotic War.
Stalin defeated Hitlerism, Gorbachov abandoned Leninism, and when Putin finally crushes Wilsonism we can close the book on the three great white follies of the 20th century.
What next? Without patriarchy, Russia’s population will continue to decline, each generation half as large as the one before. Does it matter? What ideologies still threaten Russia, besides Islamic jihadism and Chinese bugman managerialism? I don’t know, but it would be nice to have an army just in case.
If the Chinese, who seem to be the dominant partner in this relationship, decide to shift course in a more pro-natal direction (by officially or unofficially restoring patriarchy, etc.) to save their own civilization from vanishing, the Russians may feel inspired to follow suit. Also, Dugin is probably lurking here and reads your concerns about growing old in a country with no military, and he might transmit them upwards, or at least voice them on his own platforms with the hope that “someone, somewhere” will eventually get the message.
Also, if the Chinese go based, it’s not unlikely that the rest of East-Asia will follow suit; pessimistic as I am about it, I still hold out hope that Japan is not entirely gone. The US Empire should certainly withdraw to its natural borders (aka the oceans) and let glorious NIPPON do its own thing; and likely it will, so that that region of the planet will be Han-dominated, for better or worse.
There won’t be a Japan or Korea (or Vietnam or…) if the Han empire is allowed free reign. There will just be ‘China.’ They’re an assimilating borg state, they assimilate all their immediate neighbors politically, culturally, biologically. Especially so the more similar they are culturally and biologically. It chafes them to not assimilate their neighbors, in the same way it chafes Russia to have a treaty-drawn border and no natural boundary with the enemies to the west.
Actually, come to think of it, the nuclear armed norks means there may be a Korea at least. Japan is fucked, the Han are immensely salty about the occupation (and I can’t say I blame them). They may just go full nuclear exchange in order to both take revenge and prevent any future turnabouts.
The last time China tried to conquer Korea was 108 BC. The last expansionist Han was the first Emperor- the Chinese didn’t conquer Taiwan until 1683 AD.
I don’t see why anyone thinks China will depart from past behavior. Its possible security needs will push then the same way it forced the Han dynasty westward, but vassal states with military bases works just as well.
Incidentally, that is also why I don’t pin too many hopes on a Beixing Star Imperium.
The han have a pragmatically mercantillist spirit, which has its advantages in times like these (something like this https://x.com/tomiwebstr/status/1878750754804314615 would never have been made in Europe today). But the dark mirror of constancy is sloth, which is perhaps the foremost of the Chinese people’s civilizational sins.
Rarely if ever will they go out of their way for something unless prompted too by outside circumstances. And without more faustian civilizations providing such prompting, it is all too easy to imagine futures where the middle kingdom reverts back to the comfortably indolent mean of bureaucratic wheel spinning for millennia.
Yes, to fulfill Gnon’s commad to fill the stars and subdue them, it is European-descended civilization, first and foremost, that must be set on the right track. All the other ones (including my beloved Talmudland) are not nearly as pivotal for the achievement our Cosmic Telos. Aryan extinction must be prevented at all costs.
And the “right track” for Aryan Civilization herein referenced can only ever be the restoration of fertile families and BREEDING, which necessitates a red-pilled state religion (one also compatible with science and technology), state-backed and socially-enforced patriarchy, monogamous marriage as the norm, total and permanent de-poofing biologically and in thought-form (lest any poof attempts to subvert Gnon’s evident teleology), and getting the sundry shitskins under control.
I am extrapolating from recent behavior. Recent behavior of the Han is to forcefully integrate marginal populations on the edges of the core. The much talked about uyghurs and tibetans. Its not a concentration camp genocide in either case, but a sort of genocide where the population is strongly encouraged to go to state schools, work in the Chinese economy, and marry into the core population. It doesn’t work with the entire population, but they do integrate the elite, and the rest becomes a sort of reservation population, equivalent to the hunter gatherer populations remaining in the US.
They have a terrible TFR now, might fix it. They are attacking feminism, reluctantly, which shows they know where the source of the problem really is. If they fix it, and find themselves without the counterbalance the US used to provide to the region, they will begin doing the same they did to Tibet with their other neighbors.
Counterpoint- the CPC looked at complaints of white genocide and unironically endorsed it for the Han- the One Child policy was
Urban Han 1 child
Rural Han, Urban minority 2 children
Rural minority 3-4 children
Tibet no limit
Having women marry non-Han could be embracing a wise and enlightened long term strategy to turn troublesome populations into more Han… or they could be embracing creative ways to fuck over their coethnics.
If the modern era has taught us anything, the answer is b.
Is the end result a massive multiplication of tibetans, or a near total integration of the sliver of tibetan elite and the remaining population becoming a fellaheen reserve?
If it’s the latter, their retarded communist intentions didn’t matter, the result is as I wrote.
To attack at the context of the discussion, I see no reason to pretend China is as schizophrenic and incompetent as africa or latin america, it’s clear they are an organized civilizational force that is leveraging the results of modern industrialization. They have a lot of problems with their political class taking legitimacy from communist roots, but they have managed communism in name only on important policy, and have taken wild leaps to the right. Assuming them to be entirely toothless in their backyard, when they in fact have a several millennia history of expanding out from the yellow river, and lots of evolved social technology on biological and cultural integration of those populations on their edges, it’s a misread of history and contemporary reality on the ground.
Both? There are more Tibetans and presumably their elites are just as backstabbing as the Han.
Chinese expansion in the manner you describe was in South China, following the conquests of the First Emperor, 2200 years ago. I’m not aware of them attempting that anywhere else.
>Assuming them to be entirely toothless in their backyard, when they in fact have a several millennia history of expanding out from the yellow river […]
Isn’t most of that history being ruled by a non-Han elite? You can almost see a revival in Han identity with the Hanfu “Movement”, but the government has been tepid in endorsing it, fearing Han nationalism could be decisive, as if being 90% of the population still means they must still submit to tiny minority rule. One must wonder if they are submissive by genetic legacy.
Speaking of high-tech war, Pakistan’s lopsided defeat of India in a recent air battle is attributed to all its weapons systems being sourced by China and integrated together. While India’s is a hodge podge of different technologies from multiple Western sources.
From Unz: https://www.unz.com/bhua/the-deepseek-moment-for-modern-air-combat-lessons-from-the-pakistan-india-air-war/
BVR (beyond visual range) combat seems to have relegated these fighters to being missile platforms skulking under the horizon. Obsolete now, just buy/make SAMs?
You don’t want your anti air to have fixed launch sites in range of the enemy.
Well, put the SAMs on a truck like we do with artillery. Cheap and cheerful compared to a fighter jet.
Fog of war. Hua is a Chinese- nationalist. Of course, he’s say that. Here is a counter story, where the Indians claim they are the first to destroy the airfields of a nuclear power, https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiatoday.in/amp/india/story/satellite-images-pakistan-air-bases-nur-khan-india-operation-sindoor-2723934-2025-05-13
Mohammedans do not usually agree to a ceasefire when they are winning or have the upper hand. I myself know of no such examples in history.
I noticed the international media is full of India’s defeat against Pakistan in this little skirmish. Somedude has explained this better so a couple of things to add:
India’s weaponry is not predominantly western. It is Russian tech with Indian customization since Cold War times so the Indian armed forces are comfortable and competent using this technology. It is Pakistan which has American fighters and arms, being supplied by CIA during Cold War times to fight in Afghanistan.
Rafale is a relatively new entry to our arsenal. We are just starting to buy western weaponry but we are constrained by the higher costs,
We don’t have much western weaponry since India was more Soviet aligned during the Cold War.