Starting, of course, with Don Lemon.
If an individual disrupts a church service, is individually asked to leave, and fails to leave, he is individually guilty of trespass.
If a group of people conspire together to disrupt a church service, you cannot individually ask them to leave, you cannot individually prove individual trespass, because too many of them and too much chaos. The state has to perform its primary function — as the sole group whose job is organised violence and coercion, it has to coerce other organised groups using organised violence and coercion. Such as the one Don Lemon was part of. In which case the state charges them not with individual trespass, but with collective conspiracy to disrupt and threaten other people to prevent them from exercising their rights, the Face act and the KKK act.
Don Lemon conspired, probably with a substantial part of the rest of the legacy media and the Democrat party (but I repeat myself) to shut down a Church service in order to pressure and intimidate the Church to fire a part time pastor whose full time job was working for Ice.
Don Lemon did not commit any crime at the Church that is practical to prosecute. The crime that is feasible to prosecute was the actions that led to him and many others being in the Church in the first place. The crime that Pam Bondi can prosecute was committed far away from the Church, and involved large numbers of people who did not show up, but funded and directed the out-of-state renta-mob that did show up, and sent Don Lemon to cover their renta-mob, in order to intimidate people into cancelling and deplatforming other people associated with Ice, thus creating and maintaining by fear the illusion of broad consensus that Ice are bad people doing bad things.
The fundamental theory of the case against the Legacy Media should be that, when the public stopped listening to them, they set about using organised collective violence such as the BLM to shut down competing voices — not by striking directly at opposing voices, many of whom were hardened targets, but striking at soft targets who had connections with those voices. Such as the Church in Minnesota.
A comment elsewhere online from someone currently living in Minnesota (and strongly considering leaving):
And in reply, someone did bring up, as you did here, the FACE act.
To borrow some phrasing from a comment at YouTube, if you’re expecting Pam “Non Stick” Bondi to so much as charge any of people involved, let alone Don Lemon; for her to do anything at all but “tweet and appear on FOX News,” well… don’t hold your breath.
As far as I can tell, the only question is whether ICE pulls out of Minnesota before or after the Democrats win the midterm later this year.
Granted, it’s still early days but:
https://archive.ph/u9bqs
We shall see…
“grand jury subpoenas”
And how often have those gone anywhere against Dem politicians, versus all the times they haven’t?
There has just been a purge at the Department of Justice, of prosecutors who were determined to make sure they went nowhere.
A lot of us have been complaining that Pam Bondi talks a big fight, but her department just does nothing, or continues to actively menace Trump supporters with weaponized political prosecution. Well, of course. She is just a women. Women are inherently incapable of the necessary kind of leadership. However, with Trump standing over her, and some capable male assistants, stuff is likely to get done, and at least some stuff has just been done.
> There has just been a purge at the Department of Justice, of prosecutors who were determined to make sure they went nowhere.
A purge of all of the obstructionist prosecutors in the DOJ, or a purge of just some DOJ prosecutors who were obstructionist? The fact that most of the DOJ have kept their jobs makes me inclined think it’s the latter.
> The people in the church certainly reasonably felt threatened
Not just felt, they were forced to react to threat by fleeing the church with their families and children, an event which Lemon also filmed and posted.
> MS609.28 “to by threats, intentionally prevent another person from performing any lawful act enjoined upon or recommended to the person by the religion which the person professes”.
Dangerous Twist example… speech could be a “threat” to intentionally enact defensive laws to prevent something currently “lawful”… so speaking against Islam doing its Hijra (currently lawful), against Jihad-apologetics (currently lawful), and against Mosques EPIC cities (currently lawful)… trying to ban your own demise… could conceivably get you jailed. At least in Leftist World. Same for trying to stop Leftism.
Sure, this law isn’t all that, but Nations have to think defensively, wargame it, outside the box, when writing laws.
The Founders1776 were more worried about foreign aggressors in the form of the British/French/Spanish/Euro Kings, and didn’t really have much remaining post-crusades knowledge/concern of the “Mohamaten” form of invasive conquest.
And certainly didn’t think the above Kings would all be wiped out by “Muh Democracy”, replaced with foreign “Mohamaten” aggressors, fall to Feminism, and have millions of Browns shipped in by the Leftists.
Modern Leftism didn’t exist in 1776, nor by the time of State bodies of Law.
Nor were any other Religions even remotely of any influence, threat, or even presence.
Now there are three major “religions” (Leftism, Jewfluence, Islam), and other countries, and now Europe again… against the USA.
Need both defensive Borders and Laws to have and keep a Nation.
USA doesn’t really have either, because those were out of context at creation. So now it’s coming under duress by new mostly internal exploiters of those lack of defenses.
The Border is now “closed”, at least to mass walk-ins, by temporary fiat.
But the Law as a whole is still nothing but swiss cheese.
At least so long as there are Leftists and Foreign Enemies in government writing/judging/executing the law.
You try this in a black church or a mosque and you get hammered with various civil rights violations.
Trump has to put these people on the dock, now, or this spirals out of control.
Ellison needs to be charged with Federsl Civil Rights violations, immediately.
Perp walk them all, or it’s to the law of the jungle we go.
“All” not being the low rent renta-mob that the legacy media and Democratic party politicians sent in, but the people that paid the renta-mob and sent them in.
People have been complaining I’m too much of a Negative Nelly, so let’s put it to the test:
I say Don Lemon, who openly committed a Federal crime on video and bragged about it, will not spend a single day behind bars. He might be indicted, he might be tried, and there’s a tiny chance he might even be convicted, but there is no way he suffers even one day of jail time. He’s a holy Black gay man; it’s his right to abuse lowly White Christian heterosexuals in any way he chooses, and the entire Trump administration either agrees or is powerless to overcome those who agree.
Is anyone here willing to go on record on the other side of this?
If the Trump administration really wants to scare the left they’d arrest him with a bad indictment that would never hold up but then make sure he was “shot while trying to escape”.
It’s a nice thought, but why not throw in free ponies for racists while we’re at it?
1: The process is the punishment. (If the prosecutor is on Trump’s side and not on Don Lemon’s side)
2: I predict Don Lemon will in fact be convicted. It will likely take far too long, but if it starts with the process being the punishment, will get jail time in due course, if only because he wants the process to end.
This is a crucial issue for the Christian faction of Maga, since if Christian Churches are under threat, it is impossible for old type Christianity to function above ground.
If threatening and disrupting Christian religious gatherings remains legal, old type Christianity has no prospect of replacing our current gay pride state religion. If, on the other hand disruptions and threats are successfully criminalised (if Don Lemon goes to jail) old type Christianity probably will successfully replace gay pride and abortion as the American state religion.
It is unfortunate that our current attorney general is a woman. To purge and reform the Department of Justice, needs a man, but her heart is in the right place, and a purge is under way.
Trump, Pete Hegseth, and Vance disagree, and we have seen that neither Trump nor Pete Hegseth are entirely powerless. Whether they can overcome those who disagree, we shall see. Pam Bondi has been rather useless so far, but Trump has lit a fire under her.
OK, we shall see.
Me: Zero jail time for Don Lemon ever.
Jim: At least one day behind bars, possibly years from now.
If he gets the process, going to get jail. If he does not get the process, nothing will happen to him ever. So we will know the outcome well before it happens.
Fair enough.
I am predicting failure in what we agree is an important fight, and you are waiting for further developments before making a prediction, because you think it could go either way. It doesn’t sound like I’m madly blackpilling in the face of victory; it sounds like the situation is pretty grim.
Not quite. I say if, after enormous legal costs, a grand jury indicts him, subsequent conviction and punishment is certain, because obviously guilty, and the prosecutor would not have the grand jury indict him if not going to follow through, while you are saying, as you said when Trump was nominated, that nothing is happening even when things obviously are happening.
You will recall that when Trump was campaigning for the nomination, I said that elections do not matter, but campaigns do matter, that Trump would become president but that whether he became president or not did not matter, that he had gotten away with his campaign was what mattered.
That Trump was elected at the end of 2024 similarly did not matter. What mattered was the events a little earlier in 2024 which power shift was subsequently formalised by making him president. The Thermidorean reaction happened before he became president, and made it possible for him to become president.
And now Thermidor is in the position of the dog that caught the car.
Grand jury subpoenas were issued to top Minnesota officials, including Governor Tampon Tim, Mayor Jacob Frey, and State Attorney General Keith Ellison. If that lot, surely Don Lemon. If they actually get real grand jury prosecution — well, some of them are obviously guilty of straightforward federal crimes.
Leftoids on the jury possibly won’t convict… this is a big problem Trump has with say indicting obviously guilty crooks in DC.
The only reason anyone still reads the legacy media is to learn what they are allowed to think or say without being punished. If Pam Bondi sticks her oar into their capacity to punish, they will lose what little relevance they have;
> He’s a holy Black gay man
A low-level functionary now, doesn’t even have a formal “news” desk anymore, but still highly visible… to the Left.
He may end up being a test, but only of some ability to keep running their public saints in the streets.
The dark planners and funders riding the horses (Leftism/Globalism/Jewfluence/Islam), will still be operating, twisting the political top to their whim. Those entities and people are the ones that ultimately must be rolled.
None arrested or shutdown yet, none of note since Clinton.
Waiting for that long wait to end.
No. Because the question isn’t what happens in any one particular case. It’s what the broad trends and patterns are. To win war it is not necessary to win every battle.
Of course, this is exactly why you are trying to get everyone to focus on the outcome of this one particular case. That way, if Lemon goes scott-free – which I also expect, btw – you can say, “See?! The Right has loooooooost!!!!” The reality is that Lemon is just one soldier in a global and long-running war.
It is tempting to counter your ridiculous “The Right is definitely going to lose” with the equal and opposite “The Right is definitely going to win.” The truth, obviously, is that it remains to be seen.
I’m not following this story at all and have no intention to start. Sounds like a publicity stunt for a former regime vlogger now fading into irrelevance.
There is perhaps some relevance in that it appears to be another move in the game of Insurrection Chicken–but it seems to me like too minor a provocation on the part of Minnesota compared to the scale of what California and New York have already been doing.
Neet’s rhetorical gambit here is the equivalent of poorfags with low impulse control snarkily saying to the successful conservative investor: “if you’re so smart, tell me what Apple stock is going to do tomorrow.” Or the shitcoin scammers who keep appearing on this blog saying the same thing to Jim about the Bitcoin:USD exchange rate. Intelligent people with low time preference generally avoid guessing and gambling; they don’t bet on sports or on Vegas odds, they make long-term predictions that, most of the time, either agree with the larger market or are based on some highly esoteric or confidential knowledge that the larger market doesn’t have.
Every provocation has theoretical significance, but this Lemon thing has the advantage of having very little practical significance and therefore very unlikely to affect the status quo. It is “news of the day”. So Neet is inviting us to bet on cultural Vegas odds, in order to “prove” our bona fides as long-term investors, which is as absurd in this context as it is in any of the others.
Impulsive, high time preference people seem unable to comprehend the difference between identifying and predicting broad trends vs. gambling and making wild-assed guesses on discrete events. And people who are glued to the news cycle are generally very impulsive and high time preference.
Trump needs to absolutely crush Don Lemon to make impulsive, high-time-preference people understand that things really are different now, and that interfering with ICE will get them deported or imprisoned for years.
First priest to hang. First of many.
Agreed. I don’t know why Trump keeps waiting around. The left keeps giving him well-nigh perfect test cases to take advantage of. What the fuck is he waiting for?
> What the fuck is he waiting for?
Presumably, for subordinates like Bondi to do their jobs. Because POTUS, himself, cannot personally arrest or prosecute people. He can merely issue instructions to the people who can.
And I’m sure “non-stick” Bondi and the rest of the people at DoJ have repeatedly told him things to the effect that they haven’t built enough of a case, that if they tried to take this to court, they’d lose. And then double jeopardy attaches, and the DoJ “looks like a loser,” which means the Trump administration “looks like a loser,” and we all know how DJT hates that…
Further, they probably wouldn’t even be lying or making excuses, given how the judges and court systems are. Suppose they did go forward with prosecuting all these “well-nigh perfect test cases” the left keeps giving him… and lose because lefty judges and stacked juries make it impossible to win. They lose every single one, totally and publicly, over and over and over, while defendant after defendant goes free, their gloating broadcast over every single mainstream media outlet, all with the narrative about how the Trump administration is just pointlessly persecuting all these innocent people (the courts declared them “innocent” after all) for no good reason (because the judges all say their reasons). Normie conservatives get demoralized, both because Trump looks powerless against the courts, and because some of them will end up buying some of the “these here lefties were just ordinary, innocent folks who were prosecuted at random by an incompetent administration blindly flailing about in desperation (Trump is falling… )” narratives.
Because, like it or not, he almost certainly believes in “the American system” and “the rule of law” — that it’s just a few left-wing “bad apples” that need to be cleared out for the otherwise still-functional core to resume operating as it did in the Good Old Days. “Fight, fight, fight,” yes… but “fight” it out in the system, by the system’s rules, following the Proper Procedure…
I just don’t think he has it in him to be the Augustus we need.
In other words, death by normality bias.
Utterly lawless judges simply are going to have to be ignored sooner or later. Does Trump understand that?
Pretty sure Trump understands that the Uniparty Congress is desperate for an excuse to impeach and convict him, if they think enough of them can get away with it.
We are rapidly heading toward a world in which legal actions like impeachment are irrelevant. We’re not there yet, but anyway, conviction requires a two-thirds supermajority in the Senate.
“Pretty sure Trump understands that the Uniparty Congress is desperate for an excuse to impeach and convict him, if they think enough of them can get away with it.”
Not been that careful. There have been some pardons issued by Trump that are rather questionable looking…
What’s the pardon thing referring to? I don’t get the reference.
Yeah, a lot of us have been wondering about a number of pardons, and Trump’s 1st term record wasn’t good. On the other hand, we know the DoJ is utterly corrupt in its prosecutions, and plenty of wonder why e.g. why Andrew A. Weissmann is still a free man.
Overall the optics are horrible when you add the unending Epstein debacle, even if the current story is that a judge is requiring a second redaction pass through a bunch of documents that haven’t been released, the DoJ’s refusal to competently arrest Democrats unless their crimes are too much in our face, Team Trump’s inability, attention and policy, to focus on affordability while continuing to flaunt on the world stage, etc.
Comer put it pretty well just now about Epstein documents, “And nobody on our side is defending Pam Bondi.” Trump may find himself in that position, and he certainly should since she in theory answers to him.
As an addendum, when I talk about “normie conservatives,” I’m thinking mostly of the people here where I live, IRL — which is to say, the same Republican voters who keep reelecting Lisa Murkowski.
The religion of America is feminism and, more broadly, Civil Rights (in caps). The cuckservatives worship at these shrines likewise.
America was directed to become a goddess-worshipping country from long before its official founding (‘established on her own base,’ Zechariah 5). All masonic lodges — and most occult organizations in general — worship the ancient ‘goddess’ who has a thousand names.
The mystery religions that dominated the ancient world didn’t disappear, just morphed into feminism (men worshipping women, women worshipping themselves) and the rest of the Civil Rights agenda, right down to their own catamites.
Thus Don Lemon is exactly as you say, a ‘Holy Black Gay Man’. The further from the Straight White Male of Reduced Civil Rights that the creature is, the holier the bestowal. This is their creed.
Hedging memetic reality by recording the current counts here, check back in three months. James Fishback, Catholic anti-Replacement/Woke/etc… for Florida Governor 2026. Bets on follower count accepted… 3month, and primary day.
https://x.com/J_Fishback
Tweets 10,213 Following 3,740 Followers 196,885 Likes 104,155
Fairness: Loomer has posted some sort of “receipts” against Fishback, Polymarket wagerers can search for that if interested.
Would like to see stuff trending on legacy media, but only places like Rumble/Odysee/Bitchute/DLive are yet free to carry to whole content channels, with X as the clip/linker. Alphabet Google Youtube downrank everything.
Not entirely amazing that people at work still don’t know about any of this stuff.
@nickshirleyy just found ~$750M Minnesota paid to secret redacted payees.
Somali-Islam says you slaves better pay your taxes
https://x.com/MatrixMysteries/status/2013279281565118791
Social Security whistleblower on the Import Programme
x.com/MatrixMysteries/status/2013730001095454831
>Somali-Islam says you slaves better pay your taxes
>You work for me and my people.
>The US government- is- they work for me.
>This is my land, I control this place.
>I’m gonna lock all you guys up if you don’t pay your taxes. You better pay your taxes.
No lies detected.
Meanwhile, back in reality, perps with names like
Abdinajib Hassan Yussuf
Asha Farhan Hassan
Hassan Ahmed Hussein
Ahmed Abdirashid Mohamed
etc.,
are being arrested.
Yeah, wow. They got like 90 of them, out of how many?
Go to any Costco in the Twin Cities and tell me what you see.
To quote you, elsewhere in this thread, “In other words, death by normality bias.”
We have net emigration thanks to deportation, self deportation, and the crackdown on welfare fraud. It is a start, and it is significant progress. It is not enough, but it is not over yet.
The left has to get ever lefter every faster (as for example Virginia) or die. We are seeing its death spasms.
Trump is mounting a three hundred and sixty degree assault on leftism. If, like the Reagan revolution, it was only one hundred and eighty degrees. leftism would flourish in the remaining quadrants, and eventually mount a comeback. But with a three sixty degree assault, they are withering.
Well, per this: https://x.com/SprinterPress/status/2014408232878395613#m, the total number of deportations in the past year was 230,000 (plus another 270,000 turned back at the border — which that there are so many still trying to get in says that there can’t really be that many “self-deporting”).
Now, trying to get believable — let alone trustworthy — figures on how many illegals came in under Biden isn’t easy. But the lowest figure I’ve found that isn’t laughable propaganda (forget Heritage’s 6.7 million figure) is Eduardo Neret’s (https://www.neretfiles.com/p/the-media-keep-lying-about-the-number) 10-12 million. So at this rate of deportations, just the ones who came under Biden (not counting the many more illegals present before that) will be removed in… about 48 years or so. And if you go by the “40 million new illegals under Biden” figure that I see a lot of people endorse, then we’re looking at over 170 years.
Now, you also point to “self deportation, and the crackdown on welfare fraud.” Sure, but that can’t be that many times more people than the number deported — do you have anything that says otherwise? Even if we grant that five or six illegals are “self-deporting” for every one we forcibly ship back, that still at best means something like another seven years, and more likely closer to the 28 years for the larger figure.
And you can argue that things are still “ramping up,” but I doubt ICE is going to be able to keep up the current rate of deportations, let alone keep increasing them, when their budget gets cut to nothing by a Dem Congress after the midterms.
As you so often say, nuts.
These are the histrionics of people used to winning 99% of the time reacting to only winning 90% of the time. Yes, they have to get ever lefter every faster… which means a natural panic response at the slightest sign of obstruction. You are mistaking this hypersensitive reflex for “death spasms.”
So you say. But if so, it’s not looking very effective. A lot of sabotage from within (which some mistake for — or maliciously portray as — “senile flailing” or such) by entrenched uniparty.
I don’t see it.
You assume a leftist comeback that resumes business as normal. It is not. Biden was a gigantic escalation, and if they return we get a much bigger escalation — democide. If we are brave and lucky, they do not return, if weak and foolish, democide, followed by civil war if brave and lucky.
If business as normal, we lose. If we lose, we don’t just lose, we die. Is business as normal continuing? Does not look like it.
If the left pursued business as normal, the right would pursue business as normal, and lose. But the left is incapable of pursuing business as normal. Inherent in their nature they have to escalate, as we see right now in New York, California, and Virginia.
More:
From https://x.com/MarkSKrikorian/status/2013679728381563351
Matt Stoller: “Looks like Congress and Trump are set to increase the number of immigrants coming in to do farmwork.”
Mark Krikorian: “This continues the “returning worker” scam to get around the statutory limit on H-2B visas (which are for *non-farm* unskilled jobs — farmworkers come in on H-2A visas, which is unlimited).”
And from Chris Rufo on the Small Business Association (https://x.com/christopherrufo/status/2013669469717963179):
“This is a scandal: The Trump Administration is coaching minorities and women on how to weave “disadvantage narratives” to qualify for a $26 billion slush fund that is available to all identity groups except for one—white men.”
More at https://www.city-journal.org/article/small-business-administration-government-contracts-race-sex
…
As for:
“You assume a leftist comeback that resumes business as normal.”
No, I’m saying there’s going to be a leftist comeback that we will be unable to stop.
It’s not “if” they return, it is when. The Trump admin is unable to stop it.
We are not lucky, and the closest things we have to leaders are weak and foolish. Democide, and no civil war. We shall drown, and no one will save us.
Yes, absolutely. But what you are missing is that if business doesn’t as normal, we still lose, and we still all die
Doesn’t matter, the Trump admin won’t do what’s needed, and the left’s escalations will succeed.
And with that escalation, inherent in their nature, they will win.
You are deluded by normality bias.
The left never wins because inherently self destructive.
The left is like Europe, like the Ukraine. It is locked onto a course of self destruction. The only thing in doubt is how much damage it does on the way to self inflicted doom.
We have been around this merry go round many times before. Ever lefter ever faster means infinite leftism in finite time, and the remaining time is not very long. Infinite leftism is everyone tortures each other to death for insufficient leftism. Usually, at some point in the process, a strong man pulls his finger out and does something about it to ensure that it does not reach its final destination.
We are now in Thermidor. Thermidor may break left or right, but then there will be Napoleon. The left may well get a whole lot closer to torturing everyone to death for insufficient leftism, or it may not. But it will not win. There might not be many people left alive after it loses, but lose it will.
I remember the negative nancy debates throughout the years.
2016: Trump will never be elected!
2020: Trump is going to be arrested and jailed!
2024: Trump will never be allowed any sliver of power!
Things never change my ass.
Jim is right. Things have changed, are changing. Whether or not they are changing enough remains to be seen. But we obviously have a shot at winning. Trump’s role is transitional, not final.
What gets me is the absolute certainty of these claims, as if they are not mere probabilities, but straight-up inevitabilities from which there can be no deviation.
If someone were to say, “Trump/Maga are doing what they can, but things are still looking very shaky, and I don’t think the changes are fast enough or effective enough to prevent another Stalin”, then I would have to say, sure, maybe you’re right, it’s a pessimistic view but I can’t say that it’s obviously wrong.
But we never seem to hear that, do we? It’s always “nothing ever changes”, “Trump is in league with/obedient to Globohomo”, “we shall drown”, etc. Always the same relentless black-pilled narrative that’s easily disprovable and simply moves the goalposts every time a change happens.
Doom porn, demoralization shilling, not much different from the sensationalist headlines saying that Covid/global warming/systemic racism is going to kill us all so you’d better stay home, do nothing and eat the bugs.
Seeing reports of arrests for organizers of the church targeting. Two spiteful negresses, very interesting choices.
https://x.com/AGPamBondi/status/2014344323706302566
https://x.com/AGPamBondi/status/2014349963132543319
https://x.com/Sec_Noem/status/2014410433281622347
The Bearded Blasphemer cuffed and stuffed.
Fed judge rejected arresting Don Lemon due to his “I’m just a journalist, bro” defense.
We’ll see if he gets charged with violation of the FACE act and/or the KKK act. Thing is I’m not sure what judges they go to or which prosecutors and what jury pool. Sadly, that makes all the difference. The violations are blatant and undeniable by an honest man.
Indeed, we shall. This vapid rentboy charged over something originally aimed at the KKK would be most amusing.
The FACE act was intended to oppress pro-lifers, but the provision to cover places of worship was added to give cover to Republicans for voting for it. I don’t think it’s ever been used that way yet. But as I see it, precedent is a bullshit argument. All that matters is who is the prosecutor, who is the judge, and who is the jury pool. Everything is is an excuse. If it has to be tried with a Minneapolis jury pool, that’s a serious problem.
Well look at that. Judge said no. The Rule of Law has spoken. Better luck next time.
Do you have anything useful to add?
Understanding the situation is useful. The enemy controls the justice system, and no tweets or soundbites will change that. Know it. Feel it. Act accordingly.
>The enemy controls the justice system
True.
>no tweets or soundbites will change that
Memes need people with power to act on them. This means that they have to somehow cut through all the things that are vying for the attention of such people. This seems hard but it is possible. Governments have been both formed and toppled by memes.
But, yes, it is unlikely that these memes will be those of your garden variety conservative or other similar species. As for us, our memes are interesting, but if we get too far outside the overton window we get shadowbanned. And the online influencer space is rather saturated now.
It seems that you need two personal attributes to enact change:
1. A spiritual base – to know what to do.
2. A technical base – to know how to do it.
Interestingly, prayer forms part of both (1) and (2).
>Act accordingly
https://postimg.cc/kRbVgVsz
“Choice” might also be “we’ve got a list of these idiots who didn’t wear masks who are making themselves scarce, but their OPSEC continues to suck and we’re arresting them as we can find them.”
It is also important to take opportunities to arrest and prosecute high profile Prog negroes to shift the Overton regarding their sacredness. You never know how many such arrests are needed to set off a preference cascade and demonstrate that you can just do things that were supposedly forbidden.
As Hesiod notes above, two of the three arrested so far are black females.
So, how is Trump sending a US naval “armada” to Iran part of his “360° attack on leftism,” as opposed to yet another neocon distraction?
Also,
Jim:
> The left never wins because inherently self destructive.
Okay, we appear to be using the word “win” in different ways. You seem to be interpreting “the left will win” as meaning the left will establish permanent leftist rule. You’re right that that can’t happen, because they’ll self-destruct eventually.
But does that really matter if none of us — nor any descendants of ours — are alive to see it when it happens?
Because I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about the conflict between them and us — where by “us” I mean non-leftist Whites. When I say that the left is going to win, I mean they are going to win that battle. That “how much damage it does on the way to self inflicted doom” includes killing all non-leftist whites, and likely many more. Asians are likely to all go, and probably most Hispanic mestizos.
As one South African put it in a Youtube interview, the US isn’t “becoming Brazil,” it has already become Brazil, while Brazil is becoming South Africa, and South Africa is becoming Haiti… and this process will continue to its endpoint: Global Haiti.
> Ever lefter ever faster means infinite leftism in finite time, and the remaining time is not very long. Infinite leftism is everyone tortures each other to death for insufficient leftism.
Yes, and that means we’re all going to end up dead for insufficient leftism.
> Usually, at some point in the process, a strong man pulls his finger out and does something about it to ensure that it does not reach its final destination.
And I’m saying it looks like that isn’t going to happen this time, at least not until well after we’ve all been killed.
> There might not be many people left alive after it loses
There will not be many people left alive when it finally ends, but they’ll be almost entirely Nigeriens and Somalis, and maybe some barely-literate Afghan goat-herders.
Alf:
> Whether or not they are changing enough remains to be seen.
Anyone who’s not blinded by wishful thinking — seeing what they want to see, instead of what is — can see they aren’t changing enough, and will not change enough.
> But we obviously have a shot at winning.
Not obvious at all.
> Trump’s role is transitional
To whom? Who comes after him, then?
To clarify the basis of my optimism. The Democrats daily become even more extreme, and cannot help but daily become even more extreme. This wakes up voters and it wakes up members of the elite who realise that they are being put on death lists.
We cannot live with these people. Therefore we will not. They have to go.
You complain that they are on track to murder us all, and no one is dealing with this as seriously as it needs to be dealt with. Well, people are starting to wake up that they are on track to murder us all.
> This wakes up voters and it wakes up members of the elite who realise that they are being put on death lists.
No, it doesn’t. I look around, and I see nobody waking up. Most are in normalcy bias, business-as-usual mode. Yes, even while Tampon Tim activates the MN National Guard and sends them to Minneapolis to side with the rioters against ICE.
And the rest? They’re doing the same thing they have been since Charlie Kirk was shot — freaking out that the left is mad at us because we must have provoked them by being too extreme, and we’ve got to make like Buckley and purge, purge, purge. No friends to the right; toss everyone to your right to the crocodile, in hopes it eats you last. People have stopped watching regime-controlled TV in favor of the internet? Then we need to get the internet “under control,” so that “Nazis” don’t get “airtime,” and stop provoking leftists into thinking those “fascists” represent the right, and not us “reasonable, moderate conservatives.” MAGA is scaring the hoes, so it’s got to be tossed. That the GOP needs to become the party of Mitt Romney again. Toss Vance, toss Rubio, run Youngkin. No, run Nimarata Haley; that’s the ticket to calm down the left, and convince them that “the adults are back in charge” of the GOP, and we’re back to playing ball by the book (as the Washington Generals of politics). The whimpering of beaten dogs.
That’s what I’m seeing when I look around.
Except that the MN National Guard refused to activate, and the MN law enforcement system has repeatedly refused to bring charges against ICE officers for killing rioters.
The Minnesota left is pulling on levers that turn out to not be actually connected to actual power.
This the reverse of Trump’s first term problem. Now the radical left is encountering the same situation that Trump encountered, where they issue orders, and the actual government just gives them a funny look.
In the last months of the Biden, Thermidor took power, and allowed Trump to win in order to legitimise that power. Now Thermidor has taken power in Minnesota.
Why did Thermidor take power in France? Because they figured Robespierre was going to kill them, in fact kill everyone. Why, I wonder, has Thermidor taken power in Minnesota?
> Except that the MN National Guard refused to activate
Where are you getting that from? Not to say I trust the legacy media — or Google — but I’m seeing reports that the Guard are “assisting local police at the direction of Gov. Tim Walz,” and no mention anywhere but here of any refusal to activate.
> the MN law enforcement system has repeatedly refused to bring charges against ICE officers for killing rioters.
I expect that to change with the latest one. I’m even seeing plenty of right-wing folks looking at the video and going “yup, that ICE agent clearly just murdered an unarmed man — that he knew was unarmed because he saw his fellow ICE agent disarm him — in cold blood.” A fair bit of “we don’t want deportations to stop, we just want ICE to go about arresting people professionally, like they used to, before they became a bunch of masked thugs blindly flailing about and hurting random citizens under Trump.” And a whole lot of “we all know the Left and their foot-soldiers have been acting as they do in hopes of engineering incidents like these — to make them practically a statistical inevitability, even… but it’s still ICE and Trump’s fault for “taking the bait” and “stepping into the left’s trap.” Every single ICE agent needs to be perfect, to make sure his every action is guaranteed not to create incidents like this.” And as for that last, when people point out that this is incompatible with doing the basic job of ICE, and can only be done by giving the Left what they want and effectively pulling out, the response is “it’s ICE’s job to figure out how to stay effective at rounding up and deporting illegals while also being flawless in dealing with Leftists trying to hurt them, and if an ICE agent can’t somehow do both at the same time, then he’s just not up to the demands of the job and should find different employment.”
So we’ll see where this goes. It’s early hours yet.
Not what the video shows. Anyone who sees that in the video is just making stuff up because he thinks Ice agents should be murdered. And anyone who wants to murder Ice wants to murder you, me, and your little dog too.
And will do so if the Democrats return to power.
They (Deep State, Media, Communists, NeverTrumpers, etc.) are clearly pulling out all stops trying to turn this into George Floyd II.
Things have changed, its not working other than show us all the so-called MAGA and Thermidor folks who are actually deep state infiltrators. Seeing a lot of those.
Thermidor, an alliance between military and tech bros, want to ram full-throttle to AI and Gen AI. They need Trump, they dont need inifinity immigrants. Musk has proven this with AI and Optimus.
Not sure but I think MAGA/Thermidor are pausing to consider tactics. I think they will end up something like this: No insurrection act yet. Double down in MSP with current scenario. Show enemy that there narratives dont work and they are essentially powerless.
> I don’t see a gun being removed.
https://x.com/washingtonpost/status/2015434077956903302
Commenters have kindly posted the above video for you.
The “freeze frame” “label” “circle” you keep complaining about is NOT a “freeze frame” “circling” the gun.
The “Circle” is telling you WHERE to put your eyes in the frame of your player, and in the field of action, as the video **Continues To Play On** so that you know where to look to see the gun.
Please relax take your time with the video and say, what happens in that area of his back as the video continues playing ***AFTER*** the “Gun Removed” “Freeze Frame” “Circle” disappears and during seconds 3 through 7?
What are they removing from within that same previously circled region of the video and action containing his lower back during that final zoomed in portion of the video “labeled” in the upper right corner as being “1/5 speed”?
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You are guessing that they are removing a gun. Which, under the circumstances, is a plausible guess. But you do not in fact see that they are removing a gun, or removing anything at all.
And if you don’t see that the gun was removed, the cop who shot Pretti was unlikely to see it either.
Jesus Christ is my lord and savior. Born in Bethlehem, died on the cross, resurrected in the flesh three days later and taken up into heaven. Fully God and fully man.
Now here is my full original post without the censorship…
> I don’t see a gun being removed.
https://x.com/washingtonpost/status/2015434077956903302
Commenters have kindly posted the above video for you.
The “freeze frame” “label” “circle” you keep complaining about is NOT a “freeze frame” “circling” the gun.
The “Circle” is telling you WHERE to put your eyes in the frame of your player, and in the field of action, as the video **Continues To Play On** so that you know where to look to see the gun.
Please relax take your time with the video and say, what happens in that area of his back as the video continues playing ***AFTER*** the “Gun Removed” “Freeze Frame” “Circle” disappears and during seconds 3 through 7?
What are they removing from within that same previously circled region of the video and action containing his lower back during that final zoomed in portion of the video “labeled” in the upper right corner as being “1/5 speed”?
What are they yanking out and removing that he has tucked under his belt in his back during that final portion of the video?
Video formats only deliver a constant stream of frames, so if you want a “freeze frame” of the gun, hit the frame-by-frame button on your player.
Protip: The gun and it being yanked out and removed by the right arm of GrayCoatAgent is visible over MANY sequential frames.
In fact, you can also see it being yanked out during the brief part of the video between after the “circle” disappears and before the video zooms in and subsequently becomes labeled “1/5 speed”.
It’s clear, they are removing a semi-automatic handgun, with a plausible sightbox bump on top, from a holster, both gun/holster of which are riding underneath his back belt and on top of his tucked in shirt.
Video analysis is analysis, disinterested parties can do that fairly objectively and accurately.
There are other things happening in that video (and in all the other videos), but few, on either side of the chosen narratives, want to see, admit, or talk about those things either.
Because narrative is narrative, interested parties often manufacture that to suit their objectives.
Yeah yeah, “muh arguments on both sides”. As long as we all accept that the argument is critically important. Which it absolutely isn’t.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
And my reply to you is that…
I see what plainly appears to me to be a gun being removed from under his belt.
I stand before my Lord regarding this statement that my eyes have so seen, I beg His Correction if incorrectly seen, and His Forgivness should this statement of what I have seen be a lie.
As for you, I Pray that the Lord will free you of any Demons that may be causing you to Lie, Censor, and operate with Malignancy.
In fact, you even stated on this blog that you do it for fun.
So to me, you appear to have no higher standard than the Knave of a Dark King.
And thus I must and do hereby leave away from you.
And yet no gun appears.
I see a hand entering what appears to be Pretti’s pocket, and a hand leaving Pretti’s pocket. Where is the gun? Maybe there is a gun we don’t see. Or maybe the cop is groping in the wrong place. Or maybe in the chaos he failed to get a good grip on the gun. Or maybe he did remove the gun, but the cop that shot Pretti did not see that either.
How big is Pretti’s gun? If it is a small gun with a short barrel, that could explain why we don’t see it. But we don’t see it.
Pretti’s gun is indeed plainly removed as visible to the camera. I clearly see the trigger guard and barrel leaving a holster clipped to his waistband. But the end of the video is cut at a misleading moment, as though the agent aiming his gun directly behind Pretti then shot him immediately after watching the gun be removed. As I gather from the timeline of events on Wikipedia, the shooter was the agent to frame left who had his back turned and heard the gun warning but did not see the removal.
At the end of the day none of this matters because Pretti was agitating on behalf of alien invaders, and thus he was a traitor who should have been shot as a matter of policy rather than confusion. Good riddance.
I cannot. Link me to a video and a freeze frame in the video where you can see trigger guard and the barrel, because I cannot in the videos I have seen so far.
What I see is an agent groping at where we know or reasonably suspect Pretti’s gun to have been, leading to a plausible likelihood that the gun was removed. I don’t see a gun. In which case whether the gun was removed or not, the cop that shot Pretti was unlikely to know either.
Don’t tell me a frame exists. I want to see the frame and the video it came from. Give me a video link and a frame number. I am getting no end of emails telling me to use my eyes. If they were using their eyes, the would be able to tell me url and frame number.
Show me the gun. Where is this image of a gun that has just left or is leaving Pretti’s holster? Where?
If it is so easy to see, why is it so hard to give me a video and identify a frame in that video?
It’s in the video posted above in this thread, 6 seconds in
Liar
Where is the gun?
Don’t piss on me and tell me it is raining.
The above is a frame and link to video that it came from.
Why is it that all these people telling me that they see a gun are strangely and mysteriously unable to post a frame and a link to the video that the frame came from. Odd that.
If you can see a gun, why are you unable to post the frame in which you saw the gun? This blog allows html links to images. Don’t tell me. Show me!
If there is a frame in that video in which a gun is visible, show me that frame.
Supposedly all these people have immense confidence they see Pretti’s gun being confiscated before he is shot, but none of them will tell me which video or which frame. And when Handi finally did tell me, he was lying barefaced.
Where is the gun!
Why is this still being debated. Based ICE agent moonman smoked that commie antifa POS troublemaker and it was based that he did so. Who cares about the circumstances he started a fight to protect Somali criminals and because he was an insane leftists and it apparently wasn’t his first time. Going all in pre flop 2-3 off suit over and over again generally isn’t a good strategy.
https://ibb.co/kVhQVpTN
It is still being debated because the entire “Pretti was disarmed then shot” is gaslighting, and I refuse to be gaslit.
If you accept the lie, if you accept that the deer is a horse, you give your enemies power over you.
It is all “ignore your lying eyes. There is all this confident consensus. Pay attention to what your masters tell you that you see. Everyone else pays attention. If you rely on your lying eyes, you must be some crazy weirdo”.
I would stop debating it if people stopped claiming that they saw Pretti being disarmed. In the scrum, lots of things could have happened, but if he was disarmed, no one saw him being disarmed.
It is like the claim Pretti was helping that woman. He was attacking that woman. Pretti went around these protests attacking people randomly while wearing a gun.
For pete’s sake Jim, it’s an 8 second pausable video with a labeled highlight and slow motion replay. There are only half a dozen frames at the timestamp I gave you and it’s trivial to scrub through them. Here’s a composite screenshot with more labels. In motion the shape of the gun and the retention of the holster as the agent draws it are unmistakable. Do you need someone to fetch your glasses for you too?
Nobody is gaslighting you about the removal of the gun. The payload all the shills are carrying right now is “protester shot while in a talmudically narrow state of innocence, therefore white Christian Americans don’t get to have borders.” Arguing that he may have still been armed is an indefensibly weak position because it yields sovereignty on top of being visibly false. The argument should be that ICE is in charge and Pretti was a gate opener, so tough nuts.
Oh come on.
These labels do not point to anything recognisable. You do not see a gun in this frame. Rather, you know where Pretti’s gun should be, and interpret some splodges near that location as part of a gun.
“Muzzle” and “Holster clip” is certainly possible, but considerably less than persuasive. Since we have reason from other information to believe a holster clip is in fact there, this makes all other labels plausible, but in essence your reasoning is “well that vague splodge is known from other information to be a holster clip, so these other vague splodges must be muzzle and trigger guard.”
Which might be possible, but the ice agents hand at this point in the video out of sight, so it seems a bit of strange way to be holding and moving the gun — he cannot be holding it correctly. Which could well happen in the chaos of the scrum. His movements don’t make sense when interpreted as a successful orderly well controlled gun removal. Obviously one is unlikely to accomplish a successful well controlled gun removal in a scrum, so there is nothing improbable about his movements if we interpret them as a disorderly and poorly controlled gun removal while struggling to restrain a vicious and savage attacker, but his movements, like the splodges, are difficult to interpret.
We cannot really see what he is doing, but we can see that it is not a calm, orderly, and well controlled gun removal.
Frame by frame analysis does not actually tell us what happened during the scrum. It suggests a plausible conjecture about what happened during the scrum, but obviously during the scrum itself, no one would know what was happening with the gun, not even the man allegedly removing it, because if he was removing it, something was going wrong during the attempted removal.
Supposing your interpretation to be correct, and we are watching an attempted removal, something was going wrong, it is difficult to know what was going wrong, and unlikely the cop attempting the removal knew at the time what was going wrong either.
Confidently pronouncing we can clearly see this stuff, when, in fact, we cannot, it is all plausible conjectures that are reasonable under the circumstances, gives a false feeling about the level of knowledge and certainty the ice agents possessed in the chaos of the moment, and the level of control that they possessed. We cannot see it clearly, and they could see it even less. We cannot know what they were in fact doing. They probably had a pretty good idea of what they intended to do, but considerably less idea of what they were in fact doing.
In all three incidents that we have on video, Pretti had a gun, committed violence, and caused confusing chaos. Frame by frame analysis gives a false impression by understating the level of dangerous chaos, and over interpreting the images on the basis of plausible guesswork, as if we knew what we are merely plausibly reconstructing, gives a false impression by understating the level of dangerous uncertainty and confusion.
Under the plausible interpretation that this was a gun removal attempt, something went wrong during that attempt, no one quite knows now what went wrong, and at the time they knew even less.
> Do you need someone to fetch your glasses for you too?
You’re being overly harsh. _I_ didn’t see it until you supplied this analysis image, and I thought it had happened from the video I supplied showing the officer getting away from the scrum with Pretti’s weapon.
And again we see the officer to the left drawing his weapon in this period. It’s already out and roughly pointed at Pretti by the time the snatch is done. And the decision to start shooting was probably made before the snatch was started; without serious work to figure out what the shooting officers could see, you can’t even say the two total officers who shot _could_ see Pretti’s weapon being snatched in the midst of scrum.
Now that we’ve seen with the days earlier Pretti videos that he truly was psychotically violent towards immigration officers, this was bound to happen to him sooner or later as he kept attacking them and anyone else in reach. And the higher level points about everything are undisturbed by these fine detail of the combat.
Which is why I study these videos, they are real world examples of combat from which there are things to learn that are relevant to the civilian concealed or open carrier.
Point horse make dead horse
There certainly are plenty of shills on social media pushing this farcical narrative. “Hey, look, fellow rightwingers! Pretti’s gun is clearly laying on the ground off to the side in a non-threatening manner! REEEE!”
The main thing I hear from normie conservatives regarding ICE’s supposed misconduct is deafening silence.
They aren’t talking about it. They aren’t thinking about it. They don’t care. To the very limited extent that the subject comes up at all, they are content that a federal agency appears to be doing its job.
We notice the left trying to engineer these Floydesque situations, and we should notice. Normies aren’t thinking about it that deeply, but they’re not accepting the left-wing narrative either; they just shrug their shoulders and say: “meh”.
You have Twitter Brain. You are forming a model of reality based on observations of other social/legacy media junkies, drama addicts, doomers, hysterical women, clickbait factories, and no small number of shills and entryists who want you to act the way you think and claim “everyone” is acting.
Twitter Is Not Real Life, and the news of the day as portrayed by the Apparat is a literal fantasy world.
What I see on the video is that Petti attacks a woman from behind, perhaps mistaking her for an ice officer, then he attacks a man, who may or may not be an ice officer. A pile of ice officers jump him, and he is squished flat on the ground with several large men on top of him. Then suddenly they back away, he starts getting up, but before he is fully standing he is shot three times at short range. Then he collapses, and his gun is lying on the ground.
We do not see his right hand as he rises from the ground, therefore do not see him threatening anyone with a gun, but a bunch of cops do not suddenly get off you for no reason.
The Left is turning out tens of thousands of people in person in -20 degrees Fahrenheit to fight Federal law enforcement. This is much bigger than some terminally online outrage-of-the-week on twitter.
I just deleted a bunch of supposedly based right wing racist mysogynistic posts criticising Ice that gave accounts of what the videos show wildly inconsistent with what anyone can see looking at the actual videos.
The racism was obviously Soros Jews, or scripts written by Soros Jews, racism as that lot imagines it to be.
If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.
That lot is incompetent at pretending to be right wingers. The accounts of the videos were absurd, and the racism was absurd.
jim you are flat out wrong.
go watch the videos again.
his gun was removed from his back belt by the fed.
the fed mishandled it and it went off.
then they shot his dumb ass.
all this was known within under 24 hrs.
fuck you for bashing and deleting the poster who obviously called out your busted analysis, you’re a coward… you have allowed the devil, censoring to protect your own lying ass from ever being seen as wrong.
youre no better than the leftist jew media manufacturing convenient narratives without wait or examination of facts.
Allowing this through, because you are not pretending to be a right winger. But you are still on moderation, and unless you comply with the moderation policy your next comment is unlikely to get through.
Your account is flatly contradicted by the video, in which a cop pulls his own gun and shoots Pretti with it as he is getting up.
Pretti attacks a cop. A bunch of cops jump on him, and he is pinned to the ground under a pile of cops. Then suddenly the cops skitter off him and start backing away, and another cop standing a shot distance away pulls his own gun, and shoots Pretti as he is standing up, no longer encumbered by a pile of cops. Because of all the cops around Pretti, we don’t see what is happening with Pretti’s gun, except that it winds up on the ground near his body after he is shot, indicating it not in its holster at the time the cop filled him full of bullets. But we do see the gun that was shooting. It was the cop’s gun that we saw the cop pull.
Pretti attacked a cop while armed with a gun. Whatever the details of whatever happened next, which details are far from clear, because too many people too close together in the video, attacking a cop armed is suicide by cop.
Pretti’s permit allows him to peacefully protest while armed. It does not allow him to attack cops while armed.
Your account is untrue in that we see whose gun it was that shot him. We don’t see what is happening with Pretti’s gun, but it is improbable that a cop would attempt to take a gun away from an armed man, because that is certain to result in the cop getting shot. Only an idiot would attempt to disarm a man holding a gun.
> it is improbable that a cop would attempt to take a gun away from an armed man, because that is certain to result in the cop getting shot. Only an idiot would attempt to disarm a man holding a gun.
We do see in one video one of them taking what looks to be Petti’s gun away from the scrum. Given Petti was as far as I can tell on his hands and knees at this point, I’m not assuming he had it in a hand. Still an unadvised tactic, but I don’t argue with someone at the scene with more facts than I who did something like that and it worked out.
The other thing I base this on is that at the same time we can see from a video at another angle the officer who shot him pulling his gun and maneuvering so he could shoot without hitting a fellow officer. Both actions say they realized he had a gun, I’m guessing it was exposed when his clothes was shifted around in the fight, or perhaps he got to it but dropped it or was forced to drop it.
Do we? Not what I see. Give me the a link to a video and tell me which frame.
What is the exact moment in the video that you interpret as them taking the Petti’s gun away? I want to freeze frame on mid motion of the gun being taken. I don’t want to hear that somewhere in a scrum it happened. Lots of things could have happened in a scrum.
And link me to a video, not to a commie revolutionary commenting over a video of a scrum imagining what might be happening inside the scrum.
I believe these are the two videos being shared on X that you guys are referring to, longer copies are on X.
https://twitter.com/i/status/2015434077956903302
https://twitter.com/i/status/2015457711979164022
Some Transtifa and Leftist Politicians now Signalling for an asylum run to Cuba
https://x.com.com/MrAndyNgo/status/2015164997576360225
https://twitter.com/Rightanglenews/status/2015233311937864109
Their Priests are all still active
https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1966578517724078404
The Leftist Network is much larger, funded, organized, international, and more dangerous than anyone thinks. They have now entered political and physical do-or-die mode.
If you are in the USA, know that as soon as it gets warm enough, and with Midterm elections this year, things on the street are likely to get much worse than the Summer of St.Floyd. And they will use Sabotage as part of their Colour Revolution. Be ready to survive their disruption.
This shows a freeze frame titled “gun removed” and we see the agent’s hand in a position where he could be removing the gun, but we do not in fact see the gun removed, nor see any gun at all. If the agent removed the gun, we should see a freeze frame of hand with gun. It is just one moment in the scrum, of many similar moments, where they might have taken the gun.
It seems obvious that if this freeze frame was indeed “gun removed” the next few frames should be “cop withdrawing gun from scrum, and “cop withdrawing from scrum holding a gun”. Yet we see no gun.
Without freeze frame and the label, you would not have noticed it, and they could have put in the label with equal plausibility on numerous freeze frames in the video.
If the freeze frame is “gun removed”, where is the $@^!&% gun? I want a freeze frame with a gun! Gun! I have been stepping through the videos looking for the gun! Show me the gun!
This shows an agent walking around with a gun, which bears no obvious relationship to Petti’s gun.
> What is the exact moment in the video that you interpret as them taking the Petti’s gun away?
None, for I was referring to the officer removing himself from the scrum while holding a gun consistent with the SIG we’ve seen stills of.
But Henman came through about your question with his first linked video, the second link is to what I was referring to. Both videos are cropped, the second way too much, not showing the officer in the scrum and then starting his retreat from it. But it shows the essential bit of him holding a handgun, you can hear the first shot fired to sync up with the other video, and is an otherwise an honest closeup of the original video.
Best copy of that I’ve found without going to much effort is at https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15494997/alex-jeffrey-pretti-minneapolis-shooting-videos.html and is easily copied. Start at 56 second in. I don’t have a high quality copy of the first video and thus didn’t see what’s consistent with the taking Petti’s handgun, I can try to find one. But this clip too seems to be honest, starts a moment before the officer who ended up shooting started drawing his gun.
This is not a link to a video. It is a link to a web page containing a collection of videos, none of which seem bear any obvious resemblance the claimed events. Tell me which video and which moment in the video.
People keep telling me that if I do their homework for them, they will be proven right. Do your own homework, prove yourself right, and then show me your work.
At least four camera angles exist.
A third one (no link handy but you can easily find it), shows the gray-jacket agent from his rear, bent over yanking the gun out, and walking away with it across the street, facing and toward you, to his vehicle at the curb between him and your camera, in hot-gun down-and-out evidence-carrying mode.
That is probably also the same car seat the gun was pictured on, vehicle interior colors appear roughly the same, windshield and sunlight issues excepted.
Some have noted an impulse event in two angles, thus ascribing accidental/negligent discharge to his scrum-immediate carriage of this gun, such a shot-sound being no more than 3 feet away, may have preceded/triggered the terminal response.
Such are at least some of the internet’s observations.
Why am I not surprised.
If I could easily find it, you could easily find it for me. Since you have not done so, it seems improbable that I could easily find it.
Thanks for the info.
I looked hard at the video I supplied and did not see an impulse event, perhaps an unusual SIG P320 that didn’t fire without being commanded. If it did fire, and that’s certainly a reason to not try a disarm of any sort, the next shot was about a second later, not an instinctive reflex firing I think. After the first shot heard from whatever source, Petti _did_ reach for his back, although I don’t remember the exact timings of that and followup shots.
> no link
Taboaik posted the dailymail compiled vids that cointain the relevant portions, and provided similar reference.
There appears to be an accidental discharge in two angles, as the gun removing agent is righting himself turning back around to face the street and taking first step away from scrum… in that moment, bump… some impulse appears to happen with the gun/hand/arm.
Free time is limited, world is moving fast, people should do their own research before asking of peoples time.
You are telling me stuff happened, and asking me to prove it. You prove it.
I look at the videos. I don’t see all this stuff you say happened.
I see the video with the freeze frame. The freeze frame does not actually show anything.
> It seems obvious that if this freeze frame was indeed “gun removed” the next few frames should be “cop withdrawing gun from scrum, and “cop withdrawing from scrum holding a gun”. Yet we see no gun.
Because there’s another officer in front of the whole scrum from this angle who then obscures the hand of the officer who we think we might see taking the gun from the perp’s waist.
> This is not a link to a video.
It’s this video: https://video.dailymail.com/video/mol/2026/01/26/7957155322662373969/1024x576_MP4_7957155322662373969.mp4 and a better moment in the video starts at 53 seconds when you can see an officer with a cap with an orange bill start to reach into the scrum. By 54 seconds he’s fully bend over into it. After a person in a black parka covers the line of sight, by 57 seconds the video has a circle around the guy.
At 1:02 he’s pulling back and you can see his right arm. At the end of 1:02 you can see what holding against the orange backdrop of an officer’s pants. And I now see the movement of that hand and gun _is_ consistent with a discharge. But I don’t see that in the 7 second closeup and slow motion version at https://x.com/ngdough/status/2015457711979164022 that Henman provides.
I’ll have to get back to you tomorrow if I can find a better copy of the video that shows the angle that’s consistent with him taking the gun but then his hand being obscured, it’s starting about 1:37 in this Daily Mail supplied video but the quality is not good enough to discern this.
Bullshit. It is just a hand, not hand and gun. If we can make out the hand, why not the gun. A gun is rather conspicuous.
Plus, we heard the shots of the cop shooting Pretti. If there was a discharge, why don’t we hear the discharge, not to mention why don’t we see the gun.
We can see the cop that shot Pretti pull his gun, we can see his gun, we can hear him shoot. If Pretti’s gun is being taken away and it fires while being taken away, why can’t we see his gun and hear it fire?
> “gun removed”
Right after that frozen caption… dark object, needed two tugs by gray-coat red-brimmed-hat glove-handed agent to draw it out, daylight visible through trigger hole, long top slide/subframe, probably an inside waistband/belt holster protruding above the beltline.
Two cameras have angle on what may be a “discharge” or impulse. Not easy to spot, the typical action-reaction may be obscured by the coat over the arm and the glove, slow framerate. But something not exactly fluid does seem to happen there.
It could simply have been a whole-arm jump-flinch reaction to the first shot by someone else, but the lower gun/hand movement doesn’t quite fit with that.
Yes it’s in my second video, don’t frame/slow it, just watch the flow over and over till you see it… gun hand sweeping to the rear right before crossing the knees and… bump, that’s the moment… arm lift and bend, slide and grip shift, something there.
Agent is then seen kindof slinking off between the two cars after crossing the street… others jumped back, but he wanted completely out, for whatever reason, or not.
Maybe someone will find a lead/copper impregnated divot in the pavement there, maybe not.
Not blaming or defending anyone.
The world is moving, and life has higher priorities, so not wasting any more time on a guy who shouldn’t have been there doing his role-play and thus a brawl that shouldn’t have happened. That’s in God’s hands, not mine.
> freeze frame
These are phone vids, maybe 2k-30fps micro-sensor tiny-shit-lens at best, lenses covered in slime, held freehand, incident sunlight, road dust, vapors of breath pepper spray car exhaust. Expecting 8k-120fps full-sensor big-quality-lens pristine lab grade Japanese HDTV studio stuff… not going to happen.
Soros and pals prefer to pay for pallets of bricks, gas masks, torches, hammers, noisemakers, rent, food, and pay… not cameras to expose their destruction with.
I don’t see a gun removed. I don’t see anything all that suggestive of a gun.
Lots of things could have happened in that scrum. But if we cannot see that Pretti was disarmed, the cop that shot him could see it even less.
If he was disarmed, and the cops knew he was disarmed, why do they all suddenly get off him and let him get up? That looks like an “oh shit, he has a gun” moment.
… He says, after insinuating multiple times that the agents fumbled and shot an unarmed man.
The footage is blurry, vague and does not at all corroborate a clear narrative, besides leftists agitating and law force trying their utmost to keep calm.
In not a single of the video links that has been put forth can I discern a gun being taken from Pretti, a big red flag that this is the left lying as usual in their desperate attempt to find a flag to rally around (see periodic reminder that we’ve read Rules for Radicals too)
This is the video to analyse
Shows man in grey cap removing what indeed seems to be a handgun from the back of kneeling man.
I’ll note that the video has suspicious AI qualities. Not saying it’s fake (though not saying it’s not) just noting that in the future these sorts of debates on clips are going to be a 90% AI shit, 10% content analysis, insofar they aren’t already.
I look at the freeze frame in this video, which is titled “gun removed”
I don’t see a gun being removed. I see what looks like the beginnings of a weapons search which, if successful, would result in the gun being removed.
I want to see a freeze frame with a gun in it.
The freeze frame “gun removed” shows what looks like it might well be one man’s hand in another man’s pocket. One would reasonably suspect that hand is about to remove a gun. But we don’t see a gun come out of that pocket. We don’t see a gun.
I want a freeze frame with a gun in it.
Only talked about once in my cigar bar and the normals either supported ICE or thought the situations went wrong but the agitators were stupid.
My general view of dealing with libertarians would be certainly to leave them alone unless they start very loudly saying that monarchy was an illegitimate form of government and we need self government or that leftists and jesuits should have rights and should not disappear into the night and never return. Or that women should not be forced to marry or go to brothels by the age 20…
They can be left alone mostly (most of us here are sympathetic to libertarian views on many things) but don’t start undermining the form of government, saying that cancerously subversive groups much worse than libertarians should be left alone, or trying to agitate women. And if you do do so, do it in a way thats really really funny. I would like to think that one thing we should restore is Jester’s privilege.
As follow up: video on Twitter here: https://x.com/GuntherEagleman/status/2015152675600408955
> BREAKING: The Minnesota National Guard has confirmed “We are mobilizing as we talk this time” under Tim Walz’s command.
What part of what the Guardsman in the video says indicates that they aren’t mobilizing?
This is reminiscent of “the Pirates of Penzance”. The constables sing: “Yes, forward on the foe! We go, we go, we go to meet the foe!” while they remain frozen in place, prompting the exasperated Major-General to shout, “Yes, but you don’t go!”
“BREAKING: National Guard has arrived in Minneapolis” (with video of vehicles):
https://x.com/KimKatieUSA/status/2015185225748512949
“Minnesota National Guard hands out donuts, coffee to protesters in Minneapolis”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w93uUx6YTg
And this does not strike you as the very epitome of work-to-rule?
“Well, you ordered us to ‘aid’ your paid ‘protestors’, so here we are, sitting on our asses, eating donuts and drinking coffee, oink oink! And look, we brought enough for everyone!”
Wake me up when there’s any kind of violent exchange between a Guardsman and an ICE agent. Or even a mildly tense exchange.
>And this does not strike you as the very epitome of work-to-rule?
It strikes me as a purge is needed. They should be out there removing treasonous Governors and Mayors and beating insurrectionists in the streets. Not handing out coffee and donuts. This is all very frustrating.
>It strikes me as a purge is needed. They should be out there removing treasonous Governors and >Mayors and beating insurrectionists in the streets. Not handing out coffee and donuts. This is all >very frustrating.
have to wait until activation by the feds for that. Until then they are being as useless as possible. staying out of the fight.
Obviously, the Minnesota National Guard is not going to arrest the Minnesota Governor. State agencies are supposed to operate at the behest of the state governor, as federal agencies are supposed to operate at the behest of the President. It speaks volumes that the state agency is working to rule; it surprises me very little that the state agency is not in open rebellion.
As for the federal response, Insurrection Chicken is a dangerous game, and it’s a matter of legitimacy, and Trump does not want to be remembered as the guy who started Civil War II. Maybe he will be, maybe he doesn’t have a choice (or maybe that will be Vance or someone who comes later) but surely the nature of his reluctance is obvious to you. There are some lines that you don’t want to be the first to cross, even if you suspect you must cross them eventually.
Anyway, let’s not get confused between what ought to happen vs. what is happening. The doomers want us to believe that the left is winning, because some cops decided to share their coffee and donuts. That is clearly ludicrous.
The left has been arguing for years that the military should disobey “illegal” orders and that Trump’s own cabinet should remove him under some pretext and loose reading of the 25th amendment…
Well if they’re willing to play that game, then the state police and national guard should outright arrest the governor and mayor who have given actual illegal orders, and as it has been coming out, actively engaged in fomenting the “protests”.
> Now the radical left is encountering the same situation that Trump encountered, where they issue orders, and the actual government just gives them a funny look.
You may be referring to this, it’s literally true. See the expression on the face of the Minneapolis police chief’s face as the mayor talks about them fighting ICE. Frey can order them to stand down on pain of being fired, but he can’t make them shoot DHS law enforcement officers, that lever doesn’t work.
Frey was right about “the very limited number” of city police, it’s only 600, and at last count 100 of them have put in for Walz’s new personal leave program. Some are probably hoping this will be over by the end of their time off, but I bet a bunch will find a job in a less insane city.
https://x.com/Breaking911/status/2011926319118926234
Many are outright quitting to join ICE.
The bad guys feel a need to mount a demoralization campaign in the face of the momentum shift. Notably, they’re forced to resort to outright lies a significant chunk of the time, Viz., from a black-piller comment in this thread responding to Jim:
Jim: “This wakes up voters and it wakes up members of the elite who realise that they are being put on death lists.”
Black piller: “No, it doesn’t. I look around, and I see nobody waking up.”
Blatantly false. As far as the voters go, Trump won the last three Presidential elections. One was stolen, obvs. As far as the “elites” go, the 2024 election was secured, to make stealing it impossible, by some powerful faction(s) of Thermidor. They did this because they realize they’re being put on death lists, and for other reasons.
Black piller: “And the rest? They’re doing the same thing they have been since Charlie Kirk was shot — freaking out that the left is mad at us because we must have provoked them by being too extreme”
Literally not one single person on the right has said this.
“we’ve got to make like Buckley and purge, purge, purge. No friends to the right; toss everyone to your right to the crocodile, in hopes it eats you last.”
Again, literally not one single person on the right has said this.
Or, if anyone on the “right” has said this – which I’m not aware of – they’re part of the controlled opposition. Or they’re an insane and tiny minority of the right, an invisible splinter. And if the controlled opposition is saying this, they’re doing a rather bad job, since I wasn’t aware of even one of them saying it in the months since the leftist killed Kirk. (So that’s another white pill: the controlled opposition is losing traction. Thank you for that.)
I see a lot of nevertrumpers freaking out that we are putting “No enemies to the right” but even more so “no friends to the left” in practice.
I dont see anyone getting purged.
NeverTrumpers gonna NeverTrump. They couldn’t stop him from being elected in 2016 or 2024. (And it wasn’t them who stole the election in 2020; it was the left.) The National Review crowd can bleat all they want. The Republican electorate does not pay attention to them.
I would argue the Nevetrump crowd was definitely deeply involved in the 2020 election rigging or at least they had an agreement to let it happen and not to stop it and to make sure it couldn’t be challenged in court.
If they had that much power they would have done it successfully in 2016 and 2024.
Stephen Richer, the Nevertrump GOP official who ran Maricopa County, AZ elections in 2020 and 2022, was obviously an active participant.
“Nevertrump GOP official who ran Maricopa County, AZ elections in 2020 and 2022, was obviously an active participant.”
That’s one person in one county. The electoral fraud was overwhelmingly done by the left.
Are you familiar with the antics of Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia Secretary of State?
PS: Maricopa County is effectively the whole state when it comes to cancelling the votes of the pro-Trump majority.
PPS: Cominator says that Nevertrumpers were “deeply involved” in 2020 election fraud. You say that “electoral fraud was overwhelmingly done by the left.” These are both true statements. What are you arguing about?
This Chedolf though a noob seems like a based fellow.
So now you have two data points. Stop. Electoral fraud is overwhelmingly a leftist op. Further attempts to deny this will just be ignored, or perhaps laughed at, for blatant insanity.
Also, remember what originally started this:
“I see a lot of nevertrumpers freaking out that we are putting “No enemies to the right” but even more so “no friends to the left” in practice.”
And I dismissed the notion that NeverTrumpers have any traction with normal conservatives, or matter much in other ways. You yourself do not really believe the 2020 outcome would have different without NeverTrumpers. Quit wasting my time with this moonbattery.
Nevertrumpers are leftists posing as “real traditional republicans”. They were absolutely critical at least in Georgia and Arizona. In my opinion they were also absolutely critical in making sure that no court challenges got heard.
There is no chance that the 2020 outcome would have been different without NeverTrumpers. Ridiculous.
What about Pence? What about the court challenges? Why were the legal challenges and courts sabotaged? Why did Fox News call Arizona for Biden and then the rigging started. The left’s traitor allies in the GOP (who also overwhelmingly were nevertrumpers/closet leftists) were IMHO absolutely critical to stealing the 2020 election. The Democrats by themselves could not have done it.
“The Democrats by themselves could not have done it.”
That’s an insane take.
They couldn’t do it in 2024 despite having the whitehouse. So no I don’t think they could do it without large scale help from traitors and nevertrumpers and once again look at the traitor Pence.
>That’s an insane take.
No, it’s a valid observation. Thermidor is a bunch of leftists who are not sufficiently leftist to be democrats. When they thought Trump would put an end to the gravy train running out of Washington, they fortified the election for Biden. When they realized ‘Riding with Biden’ meant being cannibalized by zombie communist hordes, mysteriously election fortification faltered.
I said I’d just point and laugh, but apparently I’ve been induced to chase the light pointer like a cat.
>Com
Pence was Trump’s VP, so not a NeverTrumper. “NeverTrumper” is not merely a synonym for RINO. It’s integral to the very idea that a NeverTrumper announces (loudly and incessantly) their NeverTrumper stance.
>Pax
Your comment is not relevant to this topic. I don’t see the relevance, anyway.
No, I don’t think that’s an accurate analysis. Or, if it is accurate, it’s being framed in a strange and confusing way.
Thermidor is primarily finance and tech oligarchs, many of whom are in fact registered Democrats or made big donations to Democrats. Corporate suits, old-money types and maybe a few influential namefags like Chris Rufo who joined later. They did not run the vote-rigging in 2020; that was the deep state, with high-level bureaucrats giving the green light, hordes of DMV ladies carrying it out and low-level Antifa operatives providing physical security and cover. What the people who now make up Thermidor did in 2020 was agree to go along with it, either explicitly or tacitly.
In 2024 we saw an unwillingness to go along with it. No doubt for the exact reasons you stated, because they now knew firsthand what the Bidenreich stood for and didn’t want to starve or be murdered. But the Bezoses and Schmidts of the world didn’t directly put a stop to election “fortification”, they just refused to run cover (censorship, disinformation, etc.) and provide infrastructure support like before. Also possibly, some anticipated “donations” from Thermidor were not forthcoming and the deep state realized it would be harder than expected to turn out the rivers of meat.
I think you are attributing the same actions and capabilities to two very different factions. Thermidor is/was very well connected with the deep state, but not the same people, which is why we actually have a Thermidor today, squishy as they are, while the deep state is very clearly still doing the same #resistance thing it’s always been doing.
As for Never Trump, they Never Mattered. Never Trump is a reference to the National Review cucks. There may well have been professional traitors in the R section of the house and senate, and there still are, but here again, to call them “Never Trump” is to conflate the actions of two very different groups with very different incentives whose goals just happened to align at one point. I don’t think even the RINOs (for rhetorical convenience) want to get rid of Trump anymore, because they know it would be suicide for them; they just want to frustrate his efforts at any substantial reform.
That doesn’t mean any of these groups are our friends, and as Cominator loves to remind us, we need to have a very clear friend/enemy distinction. But you still have to know your enemy if you want to win the war.
Not two data points, two entire states (AZ, GA) gifted to Biden by Republicans. Trump needed just Wisconsin after those two to win (269-269, GOP House then decides outcome).
Recall that AG Barr insisted there was no fraud and ordered DOJ attorneys to halt investigations. If Raffensperger had ordered a full audit to confirm thousands of ballot signatures were bogus, Georgia flips to Trump and Barr has to abandon his lie and let federal prosecutors and FBI agents do their jobs. What do you suppose they would have discovered in other swing states? Wisconsin was decided by just 20k votes, and I’m pretty sure they didn’t scrutinize mail-in ballots at all. It was winnable.
Yes, no sh*t, already stipulated above. Democrats committed most of the fraud, and then key Republican officials in state and federal governments worked very hard to cover it up.
Word.
A NeverTrumper is someone who loudly announces their NeverTrump stance. “NeverTrumper” is not a synonym for “traitorous RINO.” In fact technically NeverTrumpers aren’t traitorous, since they run their true colors up the mast from the get-go.
And to repeat AGAIN, remember what originally started this was Dave’s comment “I see a lot of nevertrumpers freaking out that we are putting “No enemies to the right” but even more so “no friends to the left” in practice.”
I was pushing back against his fretting that NeverTrumpers have enough rhetorical sway with GOP voters to affect their voting. Observably, they don’t. Electoral fraud came up as a literally parenthetical remark I made at 2026-01-25 at 17:39.
– – – – – – –
Me: “Electoral fraud is overwhelmingly a leftist op.”
Chedolf: “Yes, no sh*t, already stipulated above.”
Thank you. Jesus.
It’s 2012. John McCain, the presidential nominee for the Republicans and the living embodiment of a RINO, just lost to Barack Obama, a bisexual communist negro. Waiting in the wings to repeat the process four years later are Jeb Bush, a natural heel, and Hillary Clinton, a spiteful alcoholic woman.
In 2012 US, by all accounts, it was over. Crooked, unsalvageable elite, much like Europe 2025. But look at 2025 US. You ask who will come after Trump, as if there is not a slew of based men rising up in his coattails – Vance, Hegseth, possibly Barron Trump. All names virtually unheard of in 2012.
But here is the biggest red flag for the left: in the early 2000s, the left was still ‘cool’. Much like every intellectual in the 20th century was some form of socialist, in the early 2000s every intellectual was some form of progressive. Today, every intellectual is some form of based. Ideas do not win the war in a day, but over a period of years are the most powerful weapon.
> You ask who will come after Trump, as if there is not a slew of based men rising up in his coattails – Vance, Hegseth, possibly Barron Trump. All names virtually unheard of in 2012.
The GOP establishment are already laying the groundwork to push out Vance, so they can “tack to the center” and run someone who won’t “alienate the mainstream” with their “extremism.” I hear talk of running Youngkin… and also of running Haley. Because, you see, the only way we beat Newsom, these people argue, is by proving that “Dems are the real racists!” by purging anyone less milquetoast than Mitt Romney.
Since Kirk got shot, I’ve seen various groups of right-wingers rushing to offer up anyone to their right as sacrifices to the left, trying to prove “I’m one of the good ones, not like those racist, sexist, homophobic Nazis” in hopes the crocodile eats them last. It’s our fault the left is escalating, you see. We made them do this, made them get increasingly violent, by provoking them, and forgetting our place. We need to “be the adults in the room again” and “lower the temperature” by making some concessions until the left calms down. It’s sure to happen, you see. We just need to keep groveling, and purging, and moving leftward, until we stop making them mad, and then they’ll calm down, and we can get back to the business of promoting conservative principles — Forever War, assuring demographic replacement is done legally, and losing to the left in a slow and dignified manner.
That’s the sort of narrative I keep seeing, at least from anyone who isn’t one of us random nobodies on the internet.
They are the neverTrumpers. They were similarly laying the groundwork to prevent Trump from running in 2024. Having failed once, they think can make a comeback when Trump retires.
The outer wing of the uniparty is falling into irrelevance and insignificance world wide — in Britain to Reform, in Australia to One Nation, in Germany to Alternative. And, in America, to Maga.
The One Nation spokesman said “The flag, guns, and free speech”. Lovely to see. They stick it to the outer party wing of the uniparty over the flag, guns, and free speech. And it is working. Did they focus group that, or did it just come out of his heart and just work? He sounded like he was speaking ex tempore.
It’s time for a periodic reminder to the lefty shills and obstructionists that Globohomo keeps sending here that that we’ve read Alinsky too. We are not the bovine cuckservatives that you got to use for target practice back in the 1990s.
We know the color revolution playbook, where the process is:
1. Collect money from the trough and deploy rivers of meat.
2. Engineer “””peaceful””” “””demonstrations””” that mysteriously, inexplicably and yet somehow totally inevitably escalate into aggressive and violent exchanges.
3. Point and shriek.
4. Have friendly media run sob stories about how the paid agitators who were hurt or killed were real pillars of the community, wonderful individuals who never hurt no one and just wanted to help.
5. Demand everyone accept your narrative or be blown to smithereens.
The wee problem here is in step 5. You’re all still so deluded, you still believe that the retarded antics of expendable chimps were what made the successful color revolutions succeed, when it was always and everywhere the credible threat of an airstrike that made them succeed, and the rivers of meat were just there to form a veneer of legitimacy.
And you don’t have the credible threat of an airstrike. You’ve got nothing. Without the bombers flying overhead, Rules for Radicals is just fancy talk for chimping out, which is what everyone sees right now. Suicide by cop, and a bunch of very stupid hysterical women crying over the use of “real bullets”.
It seems that without the ability to perform step 5, Globohomo has decided on an alternative, which is “deploy an endless parade of doomers and shills to online spaces to insist that the revolution is totally proceeding as planned and we’re all helpless to resist”. This is absolutely idiotic, and indicative of both desperation and declining competency.
In a way, I suppose we ought to thank these agitators and shills for serving as a constant reminder of why the left can never be allowed within a thousand miles of power ever again. But that’s sort of like thanking termites for reminding you to treat your foundation.
The military used to be overwhelmingly Christian, though, certainly back in the 90’s, and the threat of immediate violence towards peaceful protestors is what motivated them to intervene. They wouldn’t do so if it’s obvious the protestors are the aggressors and sovereign governments have the right to defend themselves. If the State Department wanted aggression they have to get permission for it from congress, just like anyone else.
This was so effective because no one really knew back then that cities were not representative of the country as a whole. Street protests were thought to represent the nation, not just the urban lumpenprole mob and NGO blob. And parents (even the religious, and in fact especially the religious) educated their children to become yuppies because that’s where the rich paying jobs were, not knowing that it was all just cost of living bias and globohomo workaholic culture, and the death of family life.
I will add that 9/11 was arguably the peak of New York City being seen as “looking like America”, a complete repudiation of John Rocker. With Mamdani, this era has now left us.
So “step 0”, when you think about it, is for the left to move all essential government employees to the deep blue cities, where they will rule over suburban reds who they never see, and they are never seen. And the entire sequence of events can be cut off if the red tribe simply built even just a single deep red city for each state, even if it’s not a governing center, it could potentially be one and so this changes the game theory equations.
All our cities were built by conservatives and seized by leftists. So your proposed strategy has uniformly failed, Detroit being exhibit number one.
The actual solution is that the right seizes power, and forces elections everywhere with same day voting citizen id, and women not allowed to vote. And then, after the elections, legalises what was just done by voting out the the nineteenth amendment.
A republic is no longer viable. A starship troopers style Republic, in which only men who have been blooded in state approved organised violence and married men with children and property are allowed to vote might still be viable.
https://nypost.com/2026/01/26/us-news/border-patrol-chief-greg-bovino-some-agents-pull-out-of-minneapolis-in-wake-of-alex-pretti-shooting/
Is this some kind of play by Trump? Strategic retreat?
You know what it is. I know what it is. The orange sucker thinks he’s made a deal with the people who want to kill him, and he’s giving them a hamburger today in exchange for promises of payment on Wednesday.
Hegseth gave CBP Fort Snelling near Minneapolis earlier today. Doesn’t sound like a retreat.
DHS and ICE already have a presence there. It’s a retreat if the BP has to move into something like a Green Zone because Trump is not willing to put down the Minneapolis insurgency at _any_ level, foot soldiers all the way up to the Lt. Governor who’s said to have been an administrator on their just exposed social media system.
Maybe he was armed when he was shot maybe he was disarmed. But the left will kill us all if they get power and if you care about such distinctions in regards to leftists you are fucking retarded. Do we believe in the friend and enemy distinction or not. Because I’ll tell you one thing, the left sure does.
This is certainly true. But I’ll remind everyone again that _if_ Pretti was disarmed, the guy who did it based on discerning he had a gun started at about the same time as the guy who shot him also discerned he had a gun. Whether or not you see a gun being taken, from the angle we can clearly see the shooting officer act, we _can_ see that Pretti’s outer clothes that would have covered a still holstered gun had been moved aside in the fighting, we see his shirt and pants.
Judged by a guessed decision time to draw his gun, them for things we can _see,_ the act of drawing it, the time it took him to maneuver around the scrum, I presume so he wouldn’t hit one of his fellow officers, _then_ there’s the sound of the first shot we can use as a index point for all the videos.
And if the first shot was a ND by the guy I believe grabbed Pretti’s gun, the next shot was long enough in coming I believe it would have been deliberate by someone who’d already decided he was going to shoot, vs. a finger on the trigger instinctive reaction to the sound. I could be wrong, but I think it’s more than the 150-170 milliseconds that takes for normal people, although I’m not allowing for time to actually pull the trigger. How long does that take with a generic Glock?
Com’s point, which here I agree with and think he’s actually being the least autistic of the bunch is: who gives a damn?
Some lefty shitweasel decided that the continued operation of industrialized Somalian welfare fraud was so important to him that he was willing to get into armed conflict against federal agents, and now he’s dead. End of story.
Was he disarmed? Before or after taking a bullet? Did the agent who ventilated him realize that? Who cares? This asshole wanted all of us dead, and now he is dead. End of story.
Did we see the left wringing their hands like this over the murder of Charlie Kirk? The Ukrainian girl on the bus? Kate Steinle? If one of the J6 protestors had been shot and killed by an FBI agent, would they have wasted any ink debating either the circumstances or intent?
Is RWDS just a silly joke to you, a meme, or do you understand what that actually entails and what kinds of things have to happen, and at a much larger scale than this isolated incident, in order to actually restore something resembling sanity and good government and stave off demographic collapse?
The left can never stop escalating, and consequently, we are going to see many more incidents like this, many of them much more severe, some of them involving entire crowds of people. This was not the main course; it was not even the appetizer. If you do not have the stomach to even passively support your own side in a war, then the next best thing you can do is keep quiet and stay out of the way.
Don’t autistically obsess over the exact sequence of events; just repeat after me: “play stupid games, win stupid prizes”.
Yes he was a leftist who cared enough about protecting illegal criminals from deportation that he decided to start a fight with federal agents and started this fight while he was openly packing a semi automatic high powered scoped pistol.
He went looking for trouble in a very stupid way and he found it. Fuck him.
I’m entirely capable of doing both, and I apologize in advance for rambling in this post:
As a gun owner, I’ve been “autistically” interested in these events for decades, they matter very much if I have to defend myself and my own and then be judged by civilian standards. And it can help to have facts handy when talking to the reachable.
As someone who doesn’t want RWDS or a hot shooting civil war, I’m asking questions like “Where are the AC-130s?” that would be one tactical answer to CHAZ like attempts to take over a portion of a city, except I now see they’ve retired the ones with miniguns, the smallest gun in the current version is a Bushmaster II firing GAU-8 Warthog ammo. Why?
Idle thoughts for now, when Trump 2.0 can’t or won’t arrest prominent Leftists unless they get physical with our paramilitary troops like ICE. See the damp squib so far that’s resulting from Leftists who held children hostage in the church invasion. Don’t like to black pill, but the severity of that hits me viscerally, and to extend on what someone said elsewhere, the normality bias of that church to the potential of a Beslan style massacre leaves me aghast.
But however committed to violence the US Left currently is, they are reticent to go all the way to lethal force. Only body cams we’re told were running will tell us about Pretti, and as discussed here, we can’t know about Good, was she even living in a universe vaguely resembling reality? However, in what was potentially the worst of the Texas incidents, the Feds are saying only one person out of the ten or so there actually fired their rifle.
We’re also not seeing a 1970s style bombing campaign which I’m old enough to remember. Which didn’t kill _that_ many people. History tells us any group of Leftists _will_ go seriously lethal sooner or later if not stopped, and they’re importing enough foreign men of military age to do the dirty work I’m suspecting they don’t have the stomach to physically do themselves, an old trope that often backfires of course.
But not yet, while we on the other side mostly continue to arm ourselves at a rate never seen before in history. But we do as Jim keeps pointing out need a religion, we obviously need warrior leaders who the Left _is_ good at suppressing. And we may just have them, men below Trump who might be paying sufficient attention to the Left’s threats against them if they gain formal power again. Otherwise we could sort of get defeated in detail.
At another extreme we could have a preference cascade that gets the Right killing in sort of a Rwandan style, except we’d just kill most of the other side by killing their cities, which they insist on making ever more fragile because they’re stupid and since the 1970s they’ve been caught up in a holiness spiral that leads to that.
I’ll leave with this question: yes, the Left gets ever Lefter, but what evidence do we have our current group of white, especially women Leftists, will go all the way? In theory, though, they could be forced to in a holiness spiral, but I can see a lot of them just mentally breaking down when faced with such a choice of be killed by their own side, or kill those the other.
Jim Acosta and Jennifer Welch want to go all the way. Trantifa wants to go all the way. Jim Acosta is mainstream media, who are the voice of mainstream democrats. Jennifer Welch is a white woman leftist.
And I believe Jim Acosta, Jennifer Welch, and Trantifa’s _desires._ What I’m questioning is their psychological ability to literally pull triggers, or those they’re talking to. I just don’t see much evidence yet. A few, certainly, of all the groups they represent or are, and I’m certainly not depending on that state of mind to continue. To make this concrete, at what point do I routinely keep out of the safe some of my more useful for “serious social work” long guns?
Let me extend this: historically, are we at a point where in times past lots more people would be getting killed by the Left?
“What I’m questioning is their psychological ability to literally pull triggers”
Humanity is not descended from people incapable of pulling triggers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fjAEJgCtsU
Well, obviously Trantifa is psychologically capable of pulling triggers. And I am quite sure that Jim Acosta and Jennifer Welch are psychologically capable of hiring people who are psychologically capable of pulling triggers. I think Jim Acosta and Jennifer Welch intend to put the young military age Somali men that they have been flying in in huge numbers on the job.
They won’t even order the Somalis to pull triggers. They will give them a job description that can only accomplished by pulling triggers, and then deny, to themselves and to the world, that triggers are being pulled — which is the same way the communists accomplished their enormous mass murders.
The framing here is that everyone has an equal role to play, or potentially equal. Of course Jim Acosta and Don Lemon are not going to pull the trigger themselves, because they are not warriors, they are priests. Priests don’t pull triggers–not in the literal sense.
What priests do is stir up and organize the mob. The “trigger” in this case is the deranged troon, the fentanyl addict, the aspiring rapper, or even the gangstalking-obsessed schizo. And in that very real sense, they already have pulled those triggers, and feel no remorse for any of it. I already listed just a few people that had died; do you think the priests of the left and spooks of the permanent government had no role to play, just because they weren’t physically holding the gun?
That is always going to be a function of your location, visibility, mobility, security and many other factors. Contra Humungus, no one can answer that for you. For some people it is “right now”. For others it is “ten years ago”. And for others still it is “never, or only when the official order goes out”.
The revolution has already started; it was on since before St. Kyle barely escaped with his life, was on since “punch a Nazi” was trending on social media. Whether it is literally at your doorstep, only you can know; and when it will get there, we can’t tell you. But as for “they can’t really pull the trigger”, they can and they have.
Perhaps we’ve heard the last of Pretti as this newly released footage shows he most likely tangled with CBP before, got his punk-ass whooped, and was itching for a rematch:
https://x.com/Breaking911/status/2016618912612294903
Not a good look, but the media has been doctoring pictures of the dude to make him more Chad-like, so probably won’t stop the true believers.
Asmongold summarises: Three times over a couple of weeks, Pretti, wearing a gun, was videoed attacking police with fists and feet. On the third time, his amazing run of luck ran out.
The question should be, why was Pretti not doing a long stretch in jail the first time? And how did he survive long enough to do it the third time?
Tucker is walking back his prior priggish protest by admitting color revolution is underway in Minnesota:
https://x.com/MJTruthUltra/status/2016585412039369063
Take his claims for what you will.
> He was attacking that woman.
Nonsense and Lies.
And again, like your gun-removal lie, is completely debunked and refuted by the videos themselves.[*deleted for not conforming to the moderation policy*]
Link me to video you have in mind. “Helping” looked to me like scary, confrontational, and confusing behaviour in a scary, confrontational, and confusing situation. “Helping” should calm the person being helped and calm the situation. Not what that “help” looked like.
“Helping”, like gun removal, is over interpreting a video that is far from clear. Seems to me that Pretti was “helping” reluctant protesters into traffic, rendering the protest more confrontational than some of the protesters wanted it to be, which interpretation becomes more plausible in view of the videos now coming in of his previous attacks on cops.
If you think he is clearly “helping” in the video, link me to the video.
Describing him as “helping” makes behaviour that was confusing, frightening, chaotic, and dangerous sound calming, orderly and peaceful. His actions do not look very calm, orderly, or peaceful.
Just as over interpreting vague splotches as a gun, and disorderly motion as gun removal, while it might well be true, understates how confusing and scary stuff was for the participants.
If the cop intended to remove Pretti’s gun, and succeeded, the removal nonetheless obviously did not take place as planned and intended, and similarly Pretti’s helpfulness does not seem very helpful.
The official narrative is that the cop violently shoved the woman, and Pretti then helped her. Yeah, helped her to return to where the cop did not want her to be, and to where she no longer wanted to be.
It looked to me that he was “helping” someone who had been tear gassed and shoved around to return to the fray, which someone who has just been gassed is unlikely to find very helpful.
Whatever Pretti was doing, helping or assaulting, “helping” implies he was contributing to calm, order, and peacefulness, which plainly he was not.
> ‘ “helping” ‘
I never used that word.
You are putting words in peoples mouths that they did not say, and constantly and grotesquely twisting the words that they did say.
Shame on you.
These are the words I did say, go ahead ctrl-f helping, it’s not there…
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> He was attacking that woman.
Nonsense and Lies.
And again, like your gun-removal lie, is completely debunked and refuted by the videos themselves.
Jim, you have truly become unhinged and off your rocker, I’m concerned for your mental well-being, please either take your meds, or check yourself into a facility, or get off the net and snuggle up with a bunch of cute little kittens for a few days, ok.
Some of your narratives whether true or retarded are fine, but the extravagance of self-destruction you’re putting yourself into in order to manufacture and support this fake one… is not doing you any good.
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Furthermore, you keep editing your own posts to serve and expand your narratives, while not allowing others to edit their own posts, and censoring others. And I’ve got the diffs from this subthread to prove it (which you will never allow anyone to post as critique and exposee anyway).
So that’s an additional quadruple-shame on you from just this subthread alone.
DEEBOOOONKED
They just love that word, don’t they? Like a magic spell, like “science denier”, it works on them, therefore it must also work on us.
I can’t resist one more comment on this stupidity: what year do you think this is, 1995? Do you really think assertions of “SHAME” from an NPC leftoid incapable of experiencing or understanding that emotion are going to have any effect on us whatsoever?
I guess they can’t use “racist” or “misogynist” this time around, so they have to revert to ever more archaic and obsolete forms of pointing and shrieking.
Based on the current practiced law, prior statutes, and established precedence in a multitude of court cases, the shooting was justified regardless of whether Pretti shot his gun or an officer had removed the gun and it discharged in the process (Sig P320 😂). The law requires us to view the incident as if you were the officer, in context, in that amount of time.
When a person is actively resisting arrest, while armed with lethal force, the legal threshold for an officer to reasonably believe they are in a lethal situation is very, very low. If the Trump administration had sound legal advice, they would be saying this instead of all the fumbling around about legality of guns at protests or having ID on the person… but it appears they don’t, which says a lot about both the DOJ/FBI/DHS and those running the organization. Honestly, Patel, Bondi, and Noem have got to go.
I’m glad someone else is taking this point of view.
What happened with his gun just doesn’t matter. What matters is that he had a gun and could reasonably have been expected to use it given his irrational, aggressive, lunatic behavior. Yes, maybe the lefties are gaslighting and maybe their narrative is all bullshit. But it is an intentional distraction, and the whole point of the bullshit narrative is to create an intentional distraction, in order to drown out any signal with noise and inoculate themselves against any outside evidence. If they can actually establish their narrative in the mainstream then that’s a bonus, but as long as we keep up the pointless bickering, mission accomplished.
Reminds me of all the endless, terminally bore-ass arguments about Obama’s birthplace. Never really mattered, team blue never cared where he was from, to them he was Black Jesus and that was that. And the right should not have cared either, because what mattered ten times more was his gay race communism and astroturfed career. The conservatives of the day somehow deluded themselves into thinking they could win on a technicality, as if that had ever worked before.
Dead revolutionary is dead. He died a traitor’s death, neither glorious nor tragic. He was a deranged violent nutjob who clearly provoked the fatal response, regardless of the particulars.
The left is also fixated on this narrative because the left holds the Jedi-brained belief that guns are animate lifeforms who possess their holders and cause them to commit violent acts; thus if he was disarmed at the exact moment of his death, he was ipso facto innocent of all wrongdoing since the demons had been exorcised. We, of course, know exactly where the demons were living, and it was not in his gun.
What happened with his gun does not matter, but whether we can know what happened to his gun does matter.
The claim that we know and understand what happened with his gun does matter, because it depicts a chaotic, confused, confusing, and extremely dangerous situation as far more controlled, intelligible, and knowable to the participants than it was.
Handi is making a plausible guess at what a couple of splodges on a couple of frames mean. But his interpretation does not fit with the overall motion, which he has to explain as something going wrong with the removal, which is also plausible. But it is knowing what is going on, whether Handi or the cop knowing, that is implausible.
Nobody has been “depicting” any story or imparting any “meaning” behind this video here, only Jim and his assclowns.
Jim and his assclowns can’t even “quote” any defense anyone here ever spoke regarding Pretti or the Left, because nobody here ever spoke those words.
The question here, ever since whoever first mentioned the gun, has always been entirely focused on one thing… did the agent remove a gun from Pretti’s backside waistbelt, or not.
Period, end of story, no narration, no guilt/innocence, no grand politik, no other talk, nothing.
Just pure analysis of available videos to answer that sole question.
The answer to that question is plainly yes, it was known within hours of being posted on X, and Handi was the most recent to post it here today.
And the fact that you have now been caught in a continuous weeklong MASSIVE ARC of LIES, CUM DODGING, and CENSORSHIP about that one simple question, means that you simply cannot be trusted on anything anymore.
You and your cronies burnt yourselves on this one Jim, badly, irrecoverably.
I’m sure you’ll issue some bullshit retort and wordspin away just like you do with everyone else who refuses to regurgitate your narratives on command, but at this point you’re simply rekt.
That’s all I have to say.
No it has not. I don’t know and don’t care whether the agent removed a gun from Pretti, I never claimed to know, and I never said I cared. One side has always been arguing that we can know the agent removed the gun, and I have always been arguing that no one knows what happened in that scrum, least of all the people that were in that scrum.
@Bennel
Leave my name out of your comments, faggot
Multiple media outlets are now reporting Don Lemon was arrested last night at the Grammy Awards for his involvement at the church.
https://x.com/AGPamBondi/status/2017238803639845115
Do you hear that funny dragging, scraping sound? That’s Neet moving the goalposts again.
And I think I hear crows out in the distance…
If Don Lemon, Trahern Jeen Crews, Georgia Fort, and Jamael Lydell Lundy go to jail, and the Ice agents that killed dangerous assailants don’t, we will see the left run out of puff.
Indeed, we are already seeing them run out of puff, as a result of them drinking their own koolaide about Ice agents gunning down peaceful protesters.
Quoting myself from FQ:
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While he’ll probably skate due to a leftist judge or jury, arresting him is good for at least two reasons:
One is that the right is finally playing the “process is the punishment” game, just like the left. This has been a nice feature of Trump’s second term, and it’s about time!
The second benefit is that it’s crucial propaganda. Action is propaganda. The good guys are not just saying, but actually doing, “Yes, the law applies to leftists.” Arresting Lemon normalizes – and it damn well should be normal – that just because you’re a gay black leftist, doesn’t mean that the world is a video game that you get to play in God mode.
Arresting Lemon’s baggy ass says we have convictions about this and we’re willing to actually fight for those convictions. If there’s anything that can get leftists to question their self-defined halo of axiomatic virtue, it’s being forced to confront the reality – forced, e.g. by cops with firearms and handcuffs – that there are other people who do not concede that lefties are the good guys.
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Also, to coin a phrase: It turns out that you can just do things.
The jury question is difficult but I suspect the judges won’t be able to dismiss so easily because as I opined earlier I think these people were all talking explicitly in Signal chats under the impression their comms couldn’t be read by their enemies while in fact all of their comms were being read. Leftists were using ENIGMA but Trump in fact had ULTRA.
A/V Footage from George Fort’s phone as agents surround her house in the wee hours:
https://x.com/nicksortor/status/2017261395901829338
I keep expecting her to demand to speak with the agent’s manager.
Georgia, not George. Hope I don’t get in trouble for misgendering…
It was wonderful to see her pulling her Karen righteousness. “You guys are not real cops, and this is not a real warrant for my arrest.”
This is the same Karen invulnerability as we saw Good display shortly before she drove her car into a cop.
The left is massively feminised.
The goalposts are exactly where they’ve always been: one single solitary day of incarceration. We shall see. But also note that not one person was willing to go on record on the opposite side of my prediction when I made my challenge. You didn’t have the confidence then, so even if Lemon does get a day behind bars (which I still contend is extremely unlikely), you’ll still be nearly as wrong as I.
Well, now I am willing to go on record. I bet 1mBTC that at least one of those charged is going to spend some time in jail before the mid terms.
But actually going to jail scarcely matters, because the process is the punishment. If they fight the process, they face intolerable costs in money and time. They will be better off just pleading guilty — but Don Lemon will not be allowed by his buddies to plead guilty, and the expensive and tedious legal run around is likely to continue well past the midterms. The process is likely to be interrupted by civil war or similar black swan events. In this sense he will not spend one day in jail — though in the event of civil war, may well be sent on a very long swim.
For some decades I have predicted civil war in 2026. Tampon Tim had a stab at starting it, but the police and the guard just gave him a funny look and politely ignored him. With luck, civil war may avoided by similar mutinies. But if it avoided, Don Lemon is likely to eventually go to jail, though it will take years.
Should my civil war prediction be falsified by events, I will not be entirely disappointed. But I fear that the reaction of the left will be similar to Trump’s reaction to massive civil service disobedience during Trump 1.0. They will bring in some staff that will obey orders to start something.
Indeed, and they are already tasting it:
https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/2017009085682458980
While I didn’t major in AA studies in college, I did snicker at it, so I can vouch for her ire.
To some extent the process is the punishment, but will any one of them pay the legal costs involved? Does any one of them enough money?
I assume they’ll be given donations for their defence. Their defence will cost them time, but how much? They’ll sit in court for a few days; their attorneys will handle everything else. All in all, it doesn’t sound intolerable.
On the other hand, I expect some convictions. A while ago there was that judge helping a defendant escape ICE. She was also convicted.
>I bet 1mBTC that at least one of those charged is going to spend some time in jail before the mid terms.
I’ve been thinking about whether I want to take you up on this, and I’m going to back down. It’s not exactly the same as my original proposal about Don Lemon specifically, but it’s close. With what happened, I’m now thinking he might actually spend a night behind bars. Which would be good.
Sweet!
Gentlemen, place your bets!
https://polymarket.com/event/don-lemon-sentenced-to-prison