Starting, of course, with Don Lemon.
If an individual disrupts a church service, is individually asked to leave, and fails to leave, he is individually guilty of trespass.
If a group of people conspire together to disrupt a church service, you cannot individually ask them to leave, you cannot individually prove individual trespass, because too many of them and too much chaos. The state has to perform its primary function — as the sole group whose job is organised violence and coercion, it has to coerce other organised groups using organised violence and coercion. Such as the one Don Lemon was part of. In which case the state charges them not with individual trespass, but with collective conspiracy to disrupt and threaten other people to prevent them from exercising their rights, the Face act and the KKK act.
Don Lemon conspired, probably with a substantial part of the rest of the legacy media and the Democrat party (but I repeat myself) to shut down a Church service in order to pressure and intimidate the Church to fire a part time pastor whose full time job was working for Ice.
Don Lemon did not commit any crime at the Church that is practical to prosecute. The crime that is feasible to prosecute was the actions that led to him and many others being in the Church in the first place. The crime that Pam Bondi can prosecute was committed far away from the Church, and involved large numbers of people who did not show up, but funded and directed the out-of-state renta-mob that did show up, and sent Don Lemon to cover their renta-mob, in order to intimidate people into cancelling and deplatforming other people associated with Ice, thus creating and maintaining by fear the illusion of broad consensus that Ice are bad people doing bad things.
The fundamental theory of the case against the Legacy Media should be that, when the public stopped listening to them, they set about using organised collective violence such as the BLM to shut down competing voices — not by striking directly at opposing voices, many of whom were hardened targets, but striking at soft targets who had connections with those voices. Such as the Church in Minnesota.
A comment elsewhere online from someone currently living in Minnesota (and strongly considering leaving):
And in reply, someone did bring up, as you did here, the FACE act.
To borrow some phrasing from a comment at YouTube, if you’re expecting Pam “Non Stick” Bondi to so much as charge any of people involved, let alone Don Lemon; for her to do anything at all but “tweet and appear on FOX News,” well… don’t hold your breath.
As far as I can tell, the only question is whether ICE pulls out of Minnesota before or after the Democrats win the midterm later this year.
Granted, it’s still early days but:
https://archive.ph/u9bqs
We shall see…
“grand jury subpoenas”
And how often have those gone anywhere against Dem politicians, versus all the times they haven’t?
There has just been a purge at the Department of Justice, of prosecutors who were determined to make sure they went nowhere.
A lot of us have been complaining that Pam Bondi talks a big fight, but her department just does nothing, or continues to actively menace Trump supporters with weaponized political prosecution. Well, of course. She is just a women. Women are inherently incapable of the necessary kind of leadership. However, with Trump standing over her, and some capable male assistants, stuff is likely to get done, and at least some stuff has just been done.
> The people in the church certainly reasonably felt threatened
Not just felt, they were forced to react to threat by fleeing the church with their families and children, an event which Lemon also filmed and posted.
> MS609.28 “to by threats, intentionally prevent another person from performing any lawful act enjoined upon or recommended to the person by the religion which the person professes”.
Dangerous Twist example… speech could be a “threat” to intentionally enact defensive laws to prevent something currently “lawful”… so speaking against Islam doing its Hijra (currently lawful), against Jihad-apologetics (currently lawful), and against Mosques EPIC cities (currently lawful)… trying to ban your own demise… could conceivably get you jailed. At least in Leftist World. Same for trying to stop Leftism.
Sure, this law isn’t all that, but Nations have to think defensively, wargame it, outside the box, when writing laws.
The Founders1776 were more worried about foreign aggressors in the form of the British/French/Spanish/Euro Kings, and didn’t really have much remaining post-crusades knowledge/concern of the “Mohamaten” form of invasive conquest.
And certainly didn’t think the above Kings would all be wiped out by “Muh Democracy”, replaced with foreign “Mohamaten” aggressors, fall to Feminism, and have millions of Browns shipped in by the Leftists.
Modern Leftism didn’t exist in 1776, nor by the time of State bodies of Law.
Nor were any other Religions even remotely of any influence, threat, or even presence.
Now there are three major “religions” (Leftism, Jewfluence, Islam), and other countries, and now Europe again… against the USA.
Need both defensive Borders and Laws to have and keep a Nation.
USA doesn’t really have either, because those were out of context at creation. So now it’s coming under duress by new mostly internal exploiters of those lack of defenses.
The Border is now “closed”, at least to mass walk-ins, by temporary fiat.
But the Law as a whole is still nothing but swiss cheese.
At least so long as there are Leftists and Foreign Enemies in government writing/judging/executing the law.
You try this in a black church or a mosque and you get hammered with various civil rights violations.
Trump has to put these people on the dock, now, or this spirals out of control.
Ellison needs to be charged with Federsl Civil Rights violations, immediately.
Perp walk them all, or it’s to the law of the jungle we go.
“All” not being the low rent renta-mob that the legacy media and Democratic party politicians sent in, but the people that paid the renta-mob and sent them in.
People have been complaining I’m too much of a Negative Nelly, so let’s put it to the test:
I say Don Lemon, who openly committed a Federal crime on video and bragged about it, will not spend a single day behind bars. He might be indicted, he might be tried, and there’s a tiny chance he might even be convicted, but there is no way he suffers even one day of jail time. He’s a holy Black gay man; it’s his right to abuse lowly White Christian heterosexuals in any way he chooses, and the entire Trump administration either agrees or is powerless to overcome those who agree.
Is anyone here willing to go on record on the other side of this?
If the Trump administration really wants to scare the left they’d arrest him with a bad indictment that would never hold up but then make sure he was “shot while trying to escape”.
It’s a nice thought, but why not throw in free ponies for racists while we’re at it?
1: The process is the punishment. (If the prosecutor is on Trump’s side and not on Don Lemon’s side)
2: I predict Don Lemon will in fact be convicted. It will likely take far too long, but if it starts with the process being the punishment, will get jail time in due course, if only because he wants the process to end.
This is a crucial issue for the Christian faction of Maga, since if Christian Churches are under threat, it is impossible for old type Christianity to function above ground.
If threatening and disrupting Christian religious gatherings remains legal, old type Christianity has no prospect of replacing our current gay pride state religion. If, on the other hand disruptions and threats are successfully criminalised (if Don Lemon goes to jail) old type Christianity probably will successfully replace gay pride and abortion as the American state religion.
It is unfortunate that our current attorney general is a woman. To purge and reform the Department of Justice, needs a man, but her heart is in the right place, and a purge is under way.
Trump, Pete Hegseth, and Vance disagree, and we have seen that neither Trump nor Pete Hegseth are entirely powerless. Whether they can overcome those who disagree, we shall see. Pam Bondi has been rather useless so far, but Trump has lit a fire under her.
OK, we shall see.
Me: Zero jail time for Don Lemon ever.
Jim: At least one day behind bars, possibly years from now.
If he gets the process, going to get jail. If he does not get the process, nothing will happen to him ever. So we will know the outcome well before it happens.
Fair enough.
I am predicting failure in what we agree is an important fight, and you are waiting for further developments before making a prediction, because you think it could go either way. It doesn’t sound like I’m madly blackpilling in the face of victory; it sounds like the situation is pretty grim.
Not quite. I say if, after enormous legal costs, a grand jury indicts him, subsequent conviction and punishment is certain, because obviously guilty, and the prosecutor would not have the grand jury indict him if not going to follow through, while you are saying, as you said when Trump was nominated, that nothing is happening even when things obviously are happening.
You will recall that when Trump was campaigning for the nomination, I said that elections do not matter, but campaigns do matter, that Trump would become president but that whether he became president or not did not matter, that he had gotten away with his campaign was what mattered.
That Trump was elected at the end of 2024 similarly did not matter. What mattered was the events a little earlier in 2024 which power shift was formalised by making him president. The Thermidorean reaction happened before he became president, and made it possible for him to become president.
And now Thermidor is in the position of the dog that caught the car.
Grand jury subpoenas were issued to top Minnesota officials, including Governor Tampon Tim, Mayor Jacob Frey, and State Attorney General Keith Ellison. If that lot, surely Don Lemon. If they actually get real grand jury prosecution — well, some of them are obviously guilty of straightforward federal crimes.
The only reason anyone still reads the legacy media is to learn what they are allowed to think or say without being punished. If Pam Bondi sticks her oar into their capacity to punish, they will lose what little relevance they have;
> He’s a holy Black gay man
A low-level functionary now, doesn’t even have a formal “news” desk anymore, but still highly visible… to the Left.
He may end up being a test, but only of some ability to keep running their public saints in the streets.
The dark planners and funders riding the horses (Leftism/Globalism/Jewfluence/Islam), will still be operating, twisting the political top to their whim. Those entities and people are the ones that ultimately must be rolled.
None arrested or shutdown yet, none of note since Clinton.
Waiting for that long wait to end.