The main new information in this post is that four years on from my first post in the series, “Fat is a reactionary issue” still at my healthy weight, despite all the fake science saying that all diets work short term, but no diet works long term. Supposedly no one ever loses large amounts of weight except by illness, and no one ever keeps it off for very long
No diet that official science is allowed to notice works long term. No one that doctors are allowed to notice loses large amounts of weight and keeps it off permanently.
Well, I went from 267 pounds, 120 kilograms, to 168 pounds, 76 kilograms, somewhat above my ideal weight, but within the healthy BMI and WHR. And it has been about eight years so far within the healthy BMI and WHR – though frequently a bit above my current weight. But then, I have lost some muscle because I slacked off pumping iron after I got remarried. So probably roughly constant over the past six years or so.
Some new information has been discovered in the interim, the most important being that epidemic of the diseases of modernity are all downstream of soaring insulin resistance, which like high blood pressure produces no visible symptoms until it has finished writing your death warrant. In particular, it does not show up as high blood sugar until your system is already badly hosed. This also explains the harmful effects of sweet diet drinks, since they produce the same insulin surge as drinks sweetened with natural sugar.
The evidence for excess omega six polyunsaturated fats (seed oil) has now mounted considerably further. That stuff is poisonous, and the evidence against going to heavy on any polyunsaturated fat, as in more than you would get from a largely fish diet, is starting to come in. Saturated fat is the cleanest source of energy for your body, the healthiest macronutrient. Everything else is apt to be a problem if consumed in amounts large enough to be a major source of calories.
Chimps can do fine on an all vegetable diet. Humans, unlike chimps, are obligate carnivores. We cannot survive on all vegetable diet.
We can survive on all meat diet provided we get plenty of saturated animal fat. A high protein all meat diet will give you what the pioneers called rabbit fever. Butter, sour milk, yoghurt, and cheese was the enabling technology that allowed pastoralism on the steppes, and eventually there was genetic change that allowed adults to drink fresh milk. Rabbit fever reveals that we have a dependency on saturated fat, and the current epidemic of obesity and collapsing testosterone may well be in part a result of the widespread substitution of vegetable oil for animal fat.
Well that was short. So to pad it out a bit, a brief recap of the diet information given in earlier posts of the series since most of those reading this far will want to know how to lose weight. And once they have measured their insulin resistance will want to know how to cure insulin resistance.
1. Be a manly man.
2. Weigh yourself every morning.
3. Target a very slow weight of rate loss, or it is going to be rough going after you have lost ten or twenty pounds.
4. Diet and exercise. Restrict yourself to eating within an eight hour window, do the occasional three day fast to shove your set point down, particularly when you are over your target weight, lift iron, and a paleo diet. Low carbs, moderate protein in the form of red meat, lots of milk, cheese, sour cream, and butter. The best oil is clarified butter. I make my own, also make my own sour cream.
Nutritional deficiencies are common and the paleo diet in modern times with modern foods is apt to make this worse. If you get cramps, your intake of divalent salts (calcium, magnesium, zinc, manganese, and copper is likely unbalanced or inadequate. Potassium deficiency is common, and the keto diet, which, if done right, is an extreme form of the paleo diet, is so low on fruit and veggies that it is apt to cause potassium deficiency, which also causes cramps.
“This also explains the harmful effects of sweet diet drinks, since they produce the same insulin surge as drinks sweetened with natural sugar.”
This hit me like a hammer. I’m doing fine on paleo and consider myself fit but I am addicted to Coke Zero. Literally addicted.
Upon reviewing your previous posts you went from diet drinks being a likely problem (“wild guess”) to your current position, a definite problem.
Was there a specific data point that confirmed your suspicions?
Asking because I take your advice very seriously and if this is where we’re at I’m going to have to confront this. And because withdrawal is easier if there’s a piece of hard data to hold onto.
There was confirmation long back that sweet diet drinks produce an insulin surge. What changed my mind is the evidence that insulin tolerance (insulin resistance) is the root cause of our current problems, particularly for older people.
It is a crucial signaling hormome, and supernormal stimuli that trigger it are everywhere twenty four seven, so it is always going up to max, which exhausts the glands secreting it, and deafens the receptors listening to it. So your signaling system goes down the tubes and your homeostasis fails.
If you are worried, and everyone should be worried, get your HOMA IR score.
What happens is that as you develop insulin resistance, your fasting blood sugar at first remains normal, but fasting insulin rises, and rises, until it maxes out and your tissues are not listening any more and then your fasting blood sugar rises. HOMA IR is a measure of whether the amount of fasting blood sugar is reasonable, given the amount of fasting insulin. If your fasting insulin is high, and your fasting blood sugar is low, you are fine. If your fasting insulin is low, and your fasting blood sugar is high, you are fine in the sense it is not an indication of insulin resistance. But if they are both high, things are bad. Below 1 is good, and the lower the better. Above 1.9, you have a problem.
It’s always seemed obvious to me that non-caloric sweeteners are harmful long term purely by virtue of being both non-caloric and sweet. “Sweetness” causes more than just a pleasant quale. It sets in motion metabolic processes, and non-caloric sweeteners fake out these processes, causing inappropriate responses and fucking things up. Xylitol (which is caloric) nukes oral bacteria the same way. They think they’re getting sugar and ramp up production, only to find out too late they can’t metabolize it.
There’s probably an evolutionary reason many of the natural non-caloric and/or low caloric sweeteners, eg sugar alcohols, cause diarrhea if too much is ingested.
https://www.amazon.com/review/R2JGNJ5ZPJT4YC
>There was confirmation long back that sweet diet drinks produce an insulin surge.
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>insulin tolerance (insulin resistance) is the root cause of our current problems,
I first heard about this problem from former Olympian athlete Sten Ekberg, who now practices natural medicine in the USA. He has a lot of great tips for correcting the dietary problems caused by a sugar-obsessed society. He has a YouTube channel that taught me everything I know about how to fast properly. I seldom go much longer than three days of fasting, but it is a great practice to supercharge weight-lifting.
Are low-calorie sweeteners worse than either cane sugar or high-fructose corn syrup? Did something that was supposed to fight obesity instead turn us into diabetic lard-asses? Damn.
I’ve always shunned “diet” drinks because of their awful taste, and made no special effort to avoid sugar or HFCS. Never had a BMI over 25.
BMI misjudges short and tall people because it uses the wrong exponent for height. Doctors work around this by saying “a BMI appropriate to your child’s age/height”, which defeats the whole purpose of using BMI instead of just weight. The Trefethen formula with height^2.5 gives reasonable numbers for anyone old enough to stand and walk.
I’ve never seen anyone who drank ‘diet’ sodas lose weight. I always shunned them because I simply considered it a matter of course that any food whose ingredient list resembles a chemistry experiment is bad for you. The endemic use of toxic preservatives in many foods and drinks is another problem that flies under the radar. In fact almost everything in the food and water supply of Americans is contaminated with something.
The main problem with BMI as a diagnostic is that it makes no distinction between fat and muscle with regards to ‘mass’. So you can end up with cases like sickly skinnyfats getting sorted as ‘healthy’, or right wing death squat bodybuilders get sorted as ‘obese’.
Wine, water, milk only acceptable beverages.
Nuts.
Coffee.
And wine is only acceptable in company. If you are drinking solo, you are abusing alcohol. When socializing over drinks, all the males should consume somewhat comparable amounts.
Thanks Jim. Flushing that shit down the toilet as we speak. Will follow up with a HOMA IR to assess the damage done. It’s going to be bad because I’ve been eschewing water and drinking Zero full time for ten years now. We’ll see. Your phrase, finished writing your death warrant, hit hard.
You are going to get intolerable caffeine withdrawal.
Get a whole lot of coffee in and keep it around. Also I find a bit of sal tin the coffee helps a little bit with hunger.
Caffeine is a wonderful drug because the withdrawal is so tame. You will feel really tired, with a wicked headache, for 24 hours, maybe 48, and then back to normal. But I do suggest drinking coffee. Good for your metabolism.
I have periodically drunk absolutely enormous quantities of coffee, other times moderately, quit cold turkey, never felt a thing. Meanwhile people around me react as you describe. Any idea why it might be?
Big individual variation in how coffee is processed by the liver. Some people get the jitters just having a little; I don’t remember perfectly, but the coffee is broken down into some compound that causes that in some people. Could be similar variation in withdrawal
A collection of related facts, in no particular order:
– Going from high to low carb destroys your osmotic balance, “keto flu”, lots and lots of salt helps tremendously. A large salt intake helps to preserve the correct osmotic tone, and also helps to prevent pissing out the rarer minerals and metals that are harder to properly balance. It is difficult to truly intake too much.
– A large bolus of protein will trigger a large bolus of insulin. With no sugar in the guts to replace all the sugars that the insulin will have sucked out of your blood, you will feel pretty terrible. Until your metabolism is better calibrated to handle such events, having a small piece of fruit or a few sips of orange juice with large meals will prevent the worst of the effects of low blood sugar
– Insulin and cortisol and cortisol like hormones balance against each other. As you drop insulin levels for the first time, cortisol will skyrocket. Take it slow, and eat more fat than you think you need. If you fail to do so, you will cannibalize your lean and fat tissue alike, be unable to sleep, and just generally feel like a bitch
– The satiety coming from fat and protein, especially with enough salt, is higher than the caloric content. Make sure you eat enough, its far easier than you might think to go along at a very high deficit, stress your body to shit, and not have a clue why your energy levels are so low and your outlook so depressed. Even after adapting to low carb this remains true.
– For weight lifting, shifting your carb-fat balance changes the kinds of tempo your body can best handle. On high carb, you can get away with huge numbers of reps, with very short rests, pushing all the metabolism to the anaerobic. On high fat, you need to shift to aerobic to maximize stimulus. This is as simple as changing the rep and rest scheme. The heaviest weights shouldnt change much in scheme, but the volume work needs to be better tempoed to get the same time under tension. You dont have the sugar to burn for endless high rep sets. Instead of 5 sets of 15, switch to 15 sets of 5 at a similar weight to start, and calibrate as needed to achieve the stimulus youre looking for. Different muscle groups behave differently, my curl strength is similar no matter what so reps dont change, but weighted lunges absolutely have to. What works best for me is to combine several exercises in a cycle, with lowish reps per independent set, but the same total reps in a workout. For example, if you have a bodypart split day with chest and back, you can alternate dips, dumbell rows, and some rotator cuff exercises. Or for full body, you can get all your volume in the same circuit, and go from dips to db rows to dumbell lunges to leg raises to shoulder raises to curls to a rest period long enough for your heart rate to fall below 120 or so before beginning again. You’ll find on high fat the number of sets you can maintain before your body gives out is much much higher, but each set the total energy output is constrained.
Jim, what are your current thoughts on TRT? How low T levels would you consider getting on TRT? For a late 20s/early 30s man that already has a few kids but plans on having a few more eventually
Testosterone is a contraceptive. Its long term effects are unclear. But if you cycle, should be OK. The long term effect of long term testosterone replacement can be permanent, or can last a very long time. Research on this topic is inadequate. It is obvious that safe usage is possible, but what constitutes safe usage is uncertain.
But testosterone is good stuff, go for it. Trouble is that hard to get testosterone through doctors.
Easy to get it out of the US and bring your prescription back with you. I’d imagine cheaper too.
Any idea what’s happening in Niger? Did Wagner/Russia just take over a country twice the size of Ukraine when no one was looking? Has the new “Scramble for Africa” begun?
If Aidan wants a piece of the action, he should consider joining an existing PMC before all the best real estate is taken.
Some very interesting stuff emerging here.
https://archive.is/QqFGm
Recently our favorite African American has seen fit to point out the ‘kill
whitethe boer’ party might actually be talking about killing white people. Possibly relatedhttps://archive.is/ozsew
Burkina Faso, Mali, and Niger have been talking about teaming up in a federated fashion, which parallels what Bukele has hinted at over in Central America. I love it when a plan comes together 😎
French colonies had French troops, and resource extraction by quasi state French companies, who exported raw materials to France. A suspiciously colonial arrangement, decorated with the symbols of democracy and independence. And, rather suddenly, six formerly French muppet states show up in Moscow and give France the heave ho. A rioting mob chanting pro Russian slogans set fire to the door of the French embassy in Nigeria, Wagner shows up in Nigeria.
France talks intervention, and white troops can generally make short work of Black troops, but versus Wagner troops? It would be interesting. And Washington has its hands full in the Ukraine.
Since the French uranium mining company was constrained to sell Uranium to the French government and closely associated governments, it was effectively owned by the French government. Now it is suddenly constrained to not sell Uranium to France. Which theoretically means it is effectively nationalised by the new African government, but they lack the competence to manage it, and the military capability to defend it against France taking it back. So who does own it, regardless of its nominally private ownership by private Frenchmen, which no one proposes to change, because a mere charade?
Well Wagner has the military and management capability. Is Wagner the Russian government wearing the skin suit of a private corporation? Yes and no. The mutiny / armed labor dispute would indicate no. It is more like the East India Company, where the British government, starting with Charles the second, took a cheerfully relaxed attitude to troublesome members of the British elite independently conquering abroad, knowing that power in their hands was less of a threat and more of an opportunity than power in the hands of hostile foreign governments.
It is not exactly that Russia has grabbed a huge swathe of Africa from the Global American Empire, but it definitely is the case that pro Putin Russians have liberated a huge swathe of Africa from France, and look rather like they might profit from “protecting” one twentieth of the world’s uranium.
A decent sized chunk of the Global American Empire has peeled off, and seems to be signing up with Putin’s multipolar world, and to some extent, coming under direct domination by Russians, if not exactly under direct domination by Russia.
France may well do something about it militarily, leading to the first direct war between a private military corporation and a Nato nation state, a war fought for control of one twentieth of the world’s uraniun supply.
African land does not matter that much, because infested with plains apes. And one twentieth of the world’s uranium supply is not a lot, but it is not nothing. This looks like the provinces of empire starting to peel away.
Don’t worry, as soon as Anthony Blinken shows up and gives the junta a pious lecture on the importance of gay rights, Niger will return to the progressive fold.
https://twitter.com/UnderSecStateP/status/1688696756966662144
Looks like proles the world over are quite sick of prideflag empire forever. I havr a feeling events such as occurred in Niger are going to continue faster and faster if they don’t manage to sufficiently punish the insolent darkies.
American caloric consumption has not changed since the 1960s, when everyone more or less was thin, and fat people were less fat. People are not eating more sugar now, the only thing that has changed is the proportion of PUFA in the diet. If people are eating the same number of calories and getting fat, that de facto means that metabolic rate has declined. And indeed, when you look at a fat person, they are typically only burning 1200 calories a day at basal metabolic rate. We have our prime culprit for metabolism damage in said PUFA. Cutting them out will not necessarily restore metabolism, and I suspect said metabolic damage is the cause of insulin resistance rather than amount of sugar eaten, which has not changed.
Restoring metabolism requires lifting heavy. Neurological gains from strength training are the only results from exercise that result in higher BMR, and the way to fix insulin resistance is walking and eating less sugar. There is a muscle in your calf which is the only muscle that powers itself directly off of blood glucose rather than stored glycogen. If the signals mediating release of glucose are fucked, you fix them by cutting out sugar and scrubbing fasting glucose out of your blood by taking long walks.
Diet without metabolic improvement (including fasting for men, for women fasting releases a ton of cortisol and has the opposite effect on metabolism, including releasing hormones that make her infertile) is fruitless, as somebody with a BMR of 1200kcal going into the necessary deficit of 400kcal for weight loss puts them at a near-starvation diet of 800kcal/day.
When the US government tested untrained civil war recruits, they could on average deadlift 315lbs without ever having seen the inside of a gym. Today such a lift puts you in the 95th percentile of men (sad but true!) Neurologically, we are incredibly damaged compared to our ancestors; it takes months of lifting to get back to a “natural†strength of a 3pl8 pull. But if you can pull 315, your neurology is probably solid enough that you will have a normal metabolism. With a normal metabolism, not getting fat is incredibly easy. I eat more sugar now than I used to, and no trouble staying trim.
I have a Garmin fitness watch and on days when I am active I will burn 4500 – 5000 calories as a 6′ 2″ 185 pound man. On days when I am not active I will only burn 2500 calories. I think people are severely underestimating how many calories they are burning and the difference being active makes.
That may be the case for somebody with a good metabolism; I do not track how much I am burning, though when I am backpacking, I will eat 5k calories and still feel hungry. But officially, it is not possible to burn an extra 2k calories a day with exercise. If metabolism is healthy, the same exercise may very well burn more calories than it will in a person who has a poor metabolism.
In Victorian times, men burned 4-5k calories a day, and women 3k. We know this because they ate that much without getting fat.
Ways to improve metabolism? Polyunsaturated fats are bad I assume?
Staying away from polyunsaturated fats is necessary. The best thing to substitute for cooking oil is beef tallow, which is absurdly satiating. I often eat a pound of pork bacon for breakfast, but I can only have a few strips of beef bacon before feeling full. I was raised on olive oil rather than seed oil, and thus did not develop any issues related to polyunsaturated fats. Coconut oil is supposedly also good for metabolism, but some people hate the taste.
As I said above, to boost metabolism, lift heavy and go on long walks. Lifting heavy should be on the strength training side, high weight and low reps, rather than the hypertrophy side. And long walks will help fix insulin issues that prevent the metabolism from functioning. Fasting is good too. Eating one big meal at dinner and maybe a snack around lunchtime with plenty of coffee and nicotine throughout makes me lose a lot of weight, too much weight. I am lean and strong at 6’0 and 180, but I would rather be burly and jacked up at 195, so I no longer fast.
So the TL;DR|
Avoid anything with cooking oil (sounds like olive oil is okay)
Long walks
Lifting
I can’t do coffee caffeine gives me head problems immediately…
Smoke a couple cigars maybe
Animal oils and fruit oils (eg, olive, avocado, coconut) good, seed/polyunsaturated rich oils bad (because high volatility/oxidation potential resulting in inflammatory effects).
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Aidan, american caloric consumption has increased hugely, by about 24%, since the 1960s:
https://www.businessinsider.com/daily-calories-americans-eat-increase-2016-07
or
https://nutritionasiknowit.com/blog/2018/8/1/how-americans-eat
Given these figures, it’s obvious the obesity of present day americans is primarily due to their overeating.
While I haven’t read the USDA’s 40-page squid ink report, we can read between the lines and make some useful inferences from the graphs posted at the second link. And my conclusion is, you’re both right.
A few things catch my notice:
– The USDA is still, after all these years, counting potatoes and corn as “vegetables”. They still refuse to call these foods what they are (starches and grains) and apparently are now even excluding rice from “grains”, so the graphs vastly downplay the calories from grains and exaggerate those from vegetables.
– In fact, actual “vegetables” should contribute almost no calories, so the fact that calories from “fruits and vegetables” has gone slightly up is probably masking a precipitous decline in the amount of “good” vegetables consumed. Ignoring corn and potatoes, tomatoes dominate (probably from ketchup, tomato sauce on pasta/pizza and so on), and then lettuce and onions (probably from burgers and sandwiches). None of the top 5 “vegetables” belong in anyone’s diet in such quantities.
– “Fats” have gone up, but animal fats have either not changed or declined slightly over time. The increase is all in vegetable fat, and we know that means PUFAs.
– Sugar consumption is mind-boggling. 130 pounds per person per year is about 650 calories per day from sugar alone. 1970 isn’t a good baseline for this, I’d really like to see what it was like back in 1920.
– “Meat, eggs and nuts” includes foods like soy and peanut butter, so the graphs obfuscate the trend away from real meat and into “plant protein”. A peanut butter and jelly sandwich gets distributed the same as bacon, eggs and hash browns with a piece of fruit.
Calories have indeed gone up, but 400 calories a day is not going to mean the difference between fit and morbidly obese. 400 calories a day is perhaps the difference between 20% body fat and 15% body fat. If the calorie numbers are accurate at all (and that is a big “if”) then there must be considerably more to the story.
That “more” being a combination of (1) vastly more sedentary lifestyles and lower physical activity, and (2) concentration of calories in PUFAs, starches, sugars, high-sugar low-fiber fruits, and non-vegetable vegetables. These are all contributing factors to a perfect storm of morbid obesity and diabetes.
Check out figures 5 and 6.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8805510/
I conjecture that the increase in calories is downstream from insulin resistance.
All processed foods are turning into goyslop – soy protein, seed oil, and wheat derived flour.
Carte Blanche, according to the links, calories have gone up by ~800 per day.
In any case, 400 or 800 calories more per day, such consumption will lead to obesity; we’re talking about calories the body does not burn, but stores.
Consuming 400 calories more per day than what your body uses leads to obesity; it’s just that you get there somewhat slower than you would by consuming 800 calories per day.
The above means the size of the food portions is the nr. 1 cause in the obesity of americans. Carbohydrates, sugars and PUFAs have merely secondary contributions.
People are hungrier because of damage to their homeostatic systems, and because what they are eating contains “empty calories” (corn syrup, soy protein, and seed oil) but is not nutritious. The increase in portion sizes is downstream of other damage.
Primarily, people are eating more because of the cafetaria diet. Solo eating is as bad as solo drinking alcohol. People are eating more because of collapse of the family.
Diets based on simply reducing calories do not work.
Lifting iron or doing heavy physical labour not only increases your metabolic rate, but makes it easier to control your eating. I don’t know what the mechanism is. Possibly an exercise in will, possibly it makes you more manly, possibly it reduces the metabolic damage to homeostasis, which is the big ailment of modernity.
If so, I speculate the proximate cause of the homeostasis damage is estrogen and estrogen-like substances, such as phthalates. These are everywhere, these days.
Also, in the last decades, americans substituted animal fat for carbohydrates. This is also a suspect.
I remember one doctor saying that he knows lots of people who got healthier and feel great after switching to paleo or similar diets. But he also said he doesn’t know anybody who feels great five or seven years after switching.
The problem is that these diets are very demanding on the endocrine system and it gets exhausted.
Paleo peoples were healthy but they were not strict meat eaters. They ate 100 – 120g of fiber daily according to their bone analysis. That’s almost impossible to eat if you eat modern vegetables and fruits even if you are vegan.
The key to proper weight and good health is not low carb. The key is plant foods with low concentrations of carbs. With some meat and animal fat of course.
Doctors are not allowed to speak the truth. They cannot speak the truth on vaccines and Covid jab, why should you believe them on Paleo?
Untrue.
Bone analysis cannot show fiber. The stable isotope level of bones does show one’s position in the trophic chain – whether one eats plants, or creatures that eat plants, or creatures that eat creatures that eat plants. The bone data shows that paleo people ate at the same trophic level or higher than wolves and big cats. Who do not eat a whole lot of fiber. We cannot know how much fiber paleo peoples ate. We can know their trophic level.
Eighty to one twenty grams is the chimpanzee diet. What strict vegans eat. We know paleo people did not eat like that, and strict vegans die.
I lost a very large amount of weight and kept it off. You did not.
Strict vegans. the chimpanzee diet, also lose a very large amount of weight and keep it off, but they get sick and die.
The kernel of truth here being that a sustained and strict keto- or ‘carnivore’ diet seems to not do well with people long term. I suspect accute ketosis is fine and sustained is not, as the Inuit had a mutation to make it harder for the body to enter ketosis.
Most carnivore guys eventually end up either cracking and returning to eating whatever, or start adding excessive amounts of sugar. Developing carb binging behavior is quite common. I suspect the current Ray Peat trend is a result of the popularity of keto and carnivore diets for the years previous.
In my experience the best way to maintain a generally carnivorous diet long term is to allow for eggs and a rationed amount of ice cream (the little party cups they give to kids are useful for that). Gives you a broader spread of nutrients and keeps the sugar cravings away, and helps keep pick up the habit of self-discipline in matters sweet, which is important for the long run.
Those Yasso and Enlightened ice cream bars seem to be just the right ration of ice cream.
Perfectly viable option. All you need is discrete, consistent portions with all the nutritional facts known. Ration according to your own metabolism and goals, but always be sure to keep careful track. That’s where I’ve gotten my best results.
Jordan Peterson gave carnivore a bad name, because associated it with the so-called “lion diet” which isn’t really carnivore at all. It’s technically “carnivorous” but it has no resemblance to any real diet that any human or primate group has ever eaten, it’s an elimination diet meant to exclude allergens and intolerances for at most 4-6 weeks before reintroducing other foods.
And he went on it long-term. And got sick. No surprise, really.
While there isn’t any bible for carnivore diets, the majority of people in that space consider all animal products to be fair game. That includes eggs, dairy, fish, and of course offal. Eat nothing but muscle meat for a year and you are going to be very sick.
There’s also the “ketovore”, which I think is Karl Denninger’s choice, which still excludes carbohydrates and starchy vegetables but puts a much heavier emphasis on green vegetables, in-season fruit and other plant sources that do not mess with insulin. Good for some, especially the lactose-intolerant. From what I recall, he says he’s been on it for nearly 10 years? Or even longer? I forget, but I definitely remember it being long enough to label as a lifestyle and not a “diet” in the proletarian sense.
Carnivore’s definitely not for everyone. Keto/ketovore is not for everyone. Paleo is manageable for almost anyone who cares to try, and general “low-carb” options can be tailored to literally anyone. Ketosis isn’t a requirement for weight management as long as you’re careful about portion sizes and avoid snacking. But if you can manage ketosis then it’s easier to just stay in it than to keep cycling in and out. And putting aside weight loss and looking more generally at health (cancers, diabetes, various inflammatory diseases) you’re just better off avoiding all sugar, most grains and most PUFAs.
Cue Z-man’s recent “b-b-but we adapted to grains!” implosion. Sure. About 300 out of 300,000 plant species are considered edible to humans; that’s around 0.1%. Whereas roughly 100% of “things that move” are edible including bugs, rodents and fish – not that I recommend eating the former two, just saying that they’re edible.
From that perspective, it looks like we’re formerly obligate carnivores who went through a very long, painful and incomplete evolutionary adaptation to be able to temporarily scrape by on a tiny number of plants, and seeds in particular, when no other food sources were available, and remnants of the old genotype (like Celiac disease and wheat allergies) are still prevalent today. We are not “omnivores” like bears, rats or skunks. It’s not at all accurate to say that we adapted to grains; rather, we adapted certain grains and other plants to us and those continue to be the only plants we can reliably eat. Go foraging in the wild and 99.9% of what you find will either kill you or give you severe gut rot.
I’ll repeat, carnivore is not for everyone and keto is not for everyone; but almost everyone should try to cut fast carbs (sugars/grains) and PUFAs down to almost zero. Some moderate fruit and nuts are fine, but rice and pasta and seed oils belong in the trash.
Having attempted to live off the wilderness (due to a poorly planned trip that turned into adventure camping unintentionally), I can confirm that almost everything that does not move is inedible and everything that moves is edible. We are obligate carnivores, and the vegetable additions to our diet resemble the fact that dogs and wolves eat grass sometimes. We probably need those vegetables a lot more than wolves do because of our ape ancestry, but they are not where we get significant macronutrients. If you are starving, what plants you can eat are not helpful. And the fruit is tiny and not very sweet at all.
when Captain Cook was shipwrecked, he gave similar report. They lived on fish, shellfish, a little bit of game, and various green leafy things that Cook called familiar English names despite total lack of resemblance.
Cats and dogs eat grass as a bulk laxative; they receive no nutrients from it.
Observed behavior of median person who adopts strict keto or carnivore diet is spontaneous carb binging. You also can look at their faces, it produces a depleted and stressed look after a while. Bodybuilder types tend to adapt this carb binge into a routine cycle, once or twice a week indulging in a huge glut of carbs.
In the wild there are plenty of sources of carbs that would have been available intermittently. Honey, tubers and other ground vegetables, fruit and berries. Not to mention fresher flesh has a higher proportion of glycogen than the stuff most of us have access to.
The observed behavior of difficulty staying away from binging. The observed behavior of the remaining few, admittedly strange due to their uniqueness in remaining so, hunter gatherer peoples eating much tubers and honey. The observed fact that the Inuit, being obligate hypercarniverous by environment, have genetic adaptations to avoid ketosis. All these tell me that you want carbs in the diet, just not any and every carb you want to stuff in your face at any given moment. Probably best in large bolus and fairly intermittently, combined with lots of physical motion to maintain the muscular metabolism required to soak up excess.
Theres more, but it requires data I cannot give you and so remains conjecture, but you can measure this yourself. Lack of carbs over long periods slows your metabolism and kills thyroid levels. Measure your waking temperature and heartrate, and particularly your heart rate variance as well. You shouldnt be waking up with a body temperature just barely above 96f, heartrate under 35bpm and HRV barely in the 70s. Thats a state of extreme stress. And yet thats what I was measuring when I was in a strict carnivore diet. Add in some occasional fruit and tubers, more milk, and suddenly life is breathed back in.
I have been in the wild. No there are not plenty of sources of carbs.
And I am sure Captain Cook and his men were far better at this than I am, and they looked mighty hard for carbs for much longer than I did, and did not find any.
The stable isotope ratios in old human bones indicate that they ate at the same or higher trophic level as wolves and big cats, which is what I found and what Captain Cook and his men ate while shipwrecked.
I feel as if my argument is being distorted.
The bulk of calories would have been from animals.
You would occasionally be eating honeycomb, well cooked wild tuber plants often, and *prepared* seasonal fruits and berries.
A party that is entirely unfamiliar with the local flora is incomparable to a group that would have several lifetimes to identify every possible source of nutrition and ways of extracting and preparing it.
I am saying long term ketosis is unnecessary, and likely harmful, based on the observation of developed carb binging behavior in those that stick most strictly to under 20g a day (inactive) or 50g a day (fairly active), and the adaptations of obligate hypercarnivore human populations.
The bones testify that paleolithic people ate at the same trophic level as wolves and big cats. Which is pretty much what I and Captain Cook’s shipwrecked crew ate at. By the way there are big grubs inside the right sort of rotting wood that look vaguely like caterpillars. I am not sure what branch of the animal kingdom they belong to. Probably some kind of insect, but they look rather alien. Stick them near hot coals, and they taste something rather like shrimp. Captain Cook’s people never discovered this food source. I am sure the natives discovered lots of food sources. But vegetables edible by humans are just inherently slim pickings.
What is “strict” keto or carnivore? I don’t know what the qualifier means, and I can only imagine it’s something very inappropriate and calorie-deprived – such as with 80% of the calories coming from protein, like the “boneless skinless chicken breast and broccoli” bro-science regime, which is flat-out toxic and carb-cravings are the body saying “please stop, you’re killing me!”
I have never observed this in a properly-balanced keto or carnivore diet that’s high in fat and moderate in protein. I have not had a carb binge or craving in years. Excessive protein will, however, lead to carb cravings because the excess protein cannot be stored and gets partially converted to glucose, which not only causes an insulin spike similar to eating the carbs in the first place, but is much harder on the liver in the process. Your digestive and energy systems hate excess protein and will fight you to avoid it.
A few times now you’ve referred to “strict carnivore” implying that it excludes common carnivore staples like dairy or eggs. That’s not the definition of a carnivore diet. I’m sure you can find some people out there who say that it is – you can find a quack to recommend just about any diet – but carnivore as it is commonly practiced is all animal products, not just flesh.
Honey is a massive insulin spike. You do you, but I don’t think it should be high on anyone’s list. It’s fine in small amounts, and I personally like a good honey sriracha sauce as an occasional treat with chicken wings, but the idea that hunter-gatherers ate a ton of honey sounds pretty far-fetched. It’s damn difficult to harvest honey, hunter-gatherers didn’t have Tyvek suits and wild bees don’t build hives as nice stacked rectangular frames.
Tubers, yes, but we’ve been over this before. Wild tubers look nothing like the potatoes you buy in the supermarket; they’re a fraction of the size, and closer to 50% fiber than 10%. Hunter-gatherer tribes would probably only eat those during the most desperate of times.
I’ll say it again, “keto/carnivore is not for everyone”, but I am not at all convinced that your experience is common, and the continued references to a vague but sketchy-sounding “strict” version leave a lot of doubt in my mind as to whether your execution was correct.
When you say “fiber”, no it is not fiber. It is wood. In fact, those wild tubers are woody roots that store a small amount of starch. All roots store some starch, some of them more than others. All roots are mostly wood.
Well, not all of them. There are some bulbs that have the consistency of onions, for example the bulbs of lemon grass, which are quite eatable. But, of course, plants do not want to be eaten, so a plant that stores substantial carbs in its roots or its trunk is going to build in some nice solid wood to stop creatures like us from doing this sort of thing.
There are a number of woody plants that contain significant amounts of starch, and Captain Cook and his men had a go at one of them. But they are all of them, all of them, mostly wood and not much, starch. Captain Cook and his men were attempting to process wood to extract the starch from it. Failed.
I conjecture that terrible travails that Fidelis describes are what happens on a purple pill diet, where one attempts to cut out carbs without committing the horrific sacrilege against official Cathedral science of going hog wild on saturated fats. That this does not work has simply always been known.
Personal experience is that being liberal with fat and moderate on protein makes life a lot easier. I sometimes cook a big roast, and am apt to eat far too much protein. Having eaten far too much protein, then, as depicted, I am apt to fall off the wagon on carbs.
My anecdotal observations are from internet bodybuilder communities primarily. By ‘strict’ I am entirely referring to carbohydrate content. 20g carbohydrates a day means perhaps a sip or two of milk, almost no vegetables, careful with other dairy sources. I’ve seen this, its quite common with people who go ‘carnivore’ or ‘keto’. Relaxing to 50g a day allows some fresh milk but not much, and some cooked vegetables, and perhaps an apple. Far more sustainable, but difficult. The median guy I see who maintains 50g or less carbs on a usual day, also allows occasional ‘refeeds’ for performance and just a feeling of health. Jamie Lewis on chaosandpain has posted a ton of stuff on these types of diets before they got popular, not someone who is bluepilled, and he recommends occasional feast-like binges for optimum results. I recommend his blog just for the entertainment value alone, personally.
>It’s damn difficult to harvest honey
There are wild birds evolved to sing out where hives are because the humans would share with them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeyguide
That is not the keto diet.
That is not the carnivore diet.
That is not the strict carnivore diet.
It is the low food allergen diet. Which is often combined with keto. Or with veganism. Or with no end of other things.
Just as vegans notoriously become weak and weedy, people on the low food allergen diet notoriously go crazy.
Its how Ive seen people do it, because theyre trying absurdly hard to fit the no-carb prescription and avoiding the trace sugars in dairy. This is a bit far of a digression from my original point that a little bit of sugar is fine, actually, just not all the time. And huge bolus of insulin is fine actually if youre athletic and trying to gain muscle or hit high performance.
I cannot name a decathalete or centenarian that doesnt occasionally have some starch or sugar, maybe you can. Certainly can name some 90year olds who advocate lots of saturated fat all the time, I support that.
Not what you have seen.
Because the trace sugars in sour cream, cheese, and butter, are as close to zero as anything you could possibly eat. And even milk itself is not that bad – on keto you are limited to a glass or so, not a sip or so.
People who are avoiding dairy are avoiding it because of real, psychosomatic, suspected, or entirely imaginary casein allergies. If they are avoiding dairy they are on a low allergen diet. And a low allergen diet is hard to do on keto. Considerably easier on paleo. Easier still on the strictly raw food diet, which means eating primarily fruit. Unfortunately people who eat only fruit waste away and eventually die.
The trouble with the low allergen diet is tells you to eliminate everything that anyone anywhere ever has ever claimed to have an allergy to. And people with permeable guts are apt to develop quite genuine allergies to just about anything. Its a diet for paranoids. And when deficiency related ailments hit one, as they inevitably do, one concludes on has not been sufficiently paranoid. Plus the low allergen diet seems to inherently cause mental problems. The dieter becomes a great pain to people who love him.
If someone genuinely has a leaky gut, then yes, should avoid foods that contain casein such as sour cream and cheese. Which is sad. Fortunately butter contains absolutely insignificant amounts of casein, and clarified butter even less. The appropriate keto diet for that case is bacon and eggs fried in liberal amounts of clarified butter, with the bacon and eggs being anointed with hot butter on top while they are cooking. Plus fried mushrooms, fried broccoli, and so on and so forth. Except that people who are worried about casein are usually also worried about bacon, mushrooms, broccoli and everything else.
I am big on milk, and any diet that requires careful consumption of milk is retarded. Milk is the perfect food, with a perfect balance of macronutrients. Peaters will recommend condensed milk with higher sugar content. Also stupid. Milk turns baby calf into big strong bull. The Aryans conquered the world on milk. All hail milk!
https://twitter.com/GramanhFolcwald/status/1680288347338551297
“Leaky gut syndrome” is one of those objectively real (you can even blood/urine test for it) medical issues that seems to drive the mainstream medical narativists crazy! It stands to obvious reason that if one’s intestines are allowing non-fully digested peptides into the bloodstream that this will cause systemic inflammation and mayhem with the immune system.
Wikipedia, whose censorship of medical info is as much up there as its censorship of political info, even spun off a separate euphemistically named article for the medical field so they could trash the obviously and plainly named “leaky gut”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaky_gut
Since then the term “Leaky Gut Syndrome” has been shilled by every quack imaginable to further discredit it.
One of the standard tests for it is to have subjects consume certain sugar alcohols (I think it was mannitol) that don’t normally pass through the intestinal membrane. If it then shows up in the blood or urine you have a leaky gut.
Insoluble fiber tears a path of destruction through the intestines, and is the primary cause of most forms of gut distress.
Soluble fiber is the primary food source for species of symbiotic microbial colonies that improve mental health. The exact mechanisms of this empirical phenomena are merely speculative at present, but the fact that the most well known types produce neurotropic oils as a byproduct of their metabolism may be a factor. Also the simple fact that a well balanced biome excludes colonization by more hostile microbes.
Insulin is the most strongly anabolic signaling molecule in the body, which is why bodybuilders intermittently cycle carb binges while bulking, and sometimes also dope directly with exogenous insulin as part of a PED stack.
I am inclined to believe that there is an epidemic of leaky gut among health conscious people, because natural remedies for constipation involve the recommended levels of fiber. Since our pre-agricultural ancestors ate at the top of the food chain (stable isotope ratios in bones show a similar or higher trophic level to wolves and big cats) they probably ate very little fiber. When I have constipation issues, I use macrogol. I tried fiber, and my guts got very upset when I sent an unusual amount of fiber down, lost of gut noises, gut discomfort, and irregular and unpredictable results.
Topical example: i knew a guy who was in the sand box for a stint; who knows what kind of logistical SNAFU they had in their AOA, but the net of it was they ate nothing but boxed meals and MREs for the whole deployment. Massive digestive trauma by the time he comes back. Gets diagnosed and medically discharged on disability.
The next I hear about him a few years later, turns out he had ‘came out’ as a troon.
Mind-gut axis.
I too am so inclined. It seems particularly concentrated in those using grain bran sources though to say.
The fiber from an orange or plum goes down great. Split peas, cauliflower, sauerkraut, goes down great. Anything involving, husks, shells, or hulls though (be it in seeds, grains, or legumes), results in trouble.
This should perhaps only make sense, since these are parts specifically evolved to resist being eaten by anything that wants what’s inside. The role of lectins (such as gluten) probably plays a factor, such being the primary form of pest resistance used by most plants. Such that, even animals that are more or less herbivorous will still only have a certain range of plants they preferentially eat, others they will brave only under duress; since of course the former being what what certain types they are specifically adapted to handling, rather than being able to handle all types in general.
As I mentioned, wild tubers are usually wood. Doubtless nutritious if you have pig jaws, pig teeth, and a pig digestive system. But they are evolved to make life hard for pigs, let alone humans.
There are some things vaguely resembling onions, which are edible for humans, but I think they are much lower in carbs than onions are. They also tend to very small.
I am pretty sure the recommended fiber dosage is one with the carbs in the food pyramid.
is there a replacement for coke zero? everything they sweeten does not need to be sweet. Coke is appreciated for the citrus and caramel flavours. Likewise with their obsession with sweetening chocolate milk where if anything the bitter flavours of the chocolate are preferable
Go into ANY coffee shop an try ordering an unsweetened mocha. Impossible.
If you are looking for something like that Starbucks nitro cold brew is very good. I don’t know if it is a mocha or whatever, but it is unsweetened and you can even find it in cans at the grocery store, the kind of cans that have the nitrogen capsules in them.
I like Starbucks cold brew. It’s just chilled black coffee infused with Nitrogen under pressure. It foams, sort of like a coffee “beer”.
Toss cocoa powder+powdered milk+instant coffee into mouth and scarf down with water. Mocha taste with minimal prep time and maximized caffeine delivery speed.
I love chocolate, cannot stand unsweetened chocolate. Love mountain dew. Love pizza. Can’t eat them, because if I eat them, I start snacking.
A touch of sugar would indeed improve the drink for most, but all the vendors really ladle it in. Before Covid, when I went into the office for work, when I went to the soda machine I would fill a 12 oz cup with 10oz of soda water and 1oz of Pepsi for flavor. Even then it was very sweet!
In the french culinary tradition, acid, sugar, and salt, are the three canonical methods of ‘brightening’ a flavor. I’ve often used this insight to greatly reduce the amount of sugar I need in recipes by increasing the acidity – such as by citrus, cream of tartar, or ascorbic acid – and salinity (I often used potassium salt for this, so as to not worry as much using too much).
Something that is less well known however is that it is actually dissolved magnesium levels that are a primary factor behind the ‘palatability’ or ‘quenchiness’ of things like coffee or anything else made with water (including the water itself). Something like magnesium chloride is unfortunately difficult to just pick a bag up from the grocery store. On the other hard, water treatment media (like corosex or trappsorb) which are coincidentally used for other reasons, are a well established economic sector, and if you have a whole house and or point of use filtration system (and of course you should), then those who are just built different (or own a restaurant) can simply include an extra stage in their normal setups.
Another trick is things like coffee and hazelnut make chocolate taste more ‘chocolatey’ than just chocolate alone. Use of ingredients like honey, maple syrup, condensed milk, or blended or juiced berries, as your sources of extra sweetness, can also enhance the flavor and give more of an impression of brightness even if the actual amount of sugars involved in technical terms are less. One line of experimentation with various techniques like this eventually resulted in a chocolate lemon custard that works just as easily for breakfast as it does for dessert (which of course originally started with the thought of, ‘how can I dress up my breakfast eggs a little more’).
Consider a Greek Cafe Freddo sans sweetener. It’s pleasant and plenty strong.
I know a few fat people who I would very much like to help. I’ve been giving them the same advice as you do above, but so far failed to convince any one on them. When they look at me they admit that I must be doing something right, but they still don’t take my advice.
Usually it is not lack of willpower, but rather disbelieve; probably because that advice is so strongly against mainstream culture.
Do you have any advice how they could be swayed? Any medical literature that could be cited?
They don’t take your advice because they do not want to actually change and are likely possessed by a victim consciousness. By not taking personal responsibility for the state is their fitness they can place the responsibility elsewhere, for example with “genetics” or whatever else. This is a common problem in our society and results in bucket crabs who, much worse than simply being personal failures with a victim consciousness, they will also attempt to drag the people around them down as well.
It’s commendable that you are trying to help, but I suggest you just let bucket crabs stay in the bucket. They can climb out at any time but you can not pull them out. They will simply pull you into the bucket with them.
“Medical literature” is the voice of the Cathedral. Who hates you and them and wants them dead. If someone is listening to the voice of those who hate him and want him to die, that is his problem, and what he eats is downstream of that.
However there is a field in the official literature that tells one important part of the truth, because that truth is congruent with Harvard no-fun puritanism. Search the medical literature for the cafetaria diet – the diet that is making us fat – twenty four seven grazing on superstimulus foods. That data implies that periodic fasting works.
The paleo diet matters because white people find it very hard to stick to the periodic fasting diet unless our bodies are adapted to fat, rather than carb, metabolism. And adapting to fat metabolism takes a while. When I fall off the wagon on carbs, I start snacking. When I start snacking, I gain weight. But asians can eat a high carb diet and follow the periodic fasting diet.
Could a trust network theoretically answer subjective questions such as “most beautiful woman†“oil painting that best captures the essence of the Eiffel Tower†and so on? “Best coffee shop� I am thinking that as you tweak the immediate weights that you apply towards people in your network, a corporate or globohomo concept of beauty would be replaced by actual beauty as if you were focusing in a lens, the answers to these questions would itself confirm that your weights are grounded in the right types of people. More than social networking the concept is applicable towards a humanity’s database of everything, allowing the individual to prioritise what parts of it he wants to help preserve
Graph analysis is a hard field, and algorithms that yield interesting results tend to take a lot of computational power. But, should be doable. Requires smart people designing the algorithms, and a lot of computing power. But a network algorithm that evaluates how trustworthy opinions are, and also what those opinions are, is perfectly doable. Useful algorithms that do this sort of thing are, however, hard to design and hard to understand.
It is a huge field of research, generally known as the page rank algorithm, because search engines and product recommendation engines need to decide page rank, which is much the same problem as you are addressing.
Hey Jim, can I get a shout out to drinking sufficient amounts of water? That’s a big part of everything healthy and I don’t think it gets nearly as much airplay as it needs to.
Congratulations on your sustained weight loss. I got the news this year that my blood sugar has begun creeping up so I’ve started 16/8 intermittent, switched to black coffee, and am keeping my eye on foods being “clean”.
Pretty much covers the broad strokes.
There is no rate of intake on a diet of rice and beans that will result in a healthy body composition. You are either fat and sickly, or emaciated and also sickly, because it simply lacks the necessary nutrients in sufficient concentration.
Some ancillary details also worthy of note –
Egg yolks. Eggs are probably the most effective ‘superfood’ economically available to anyone. A whole host of highly impactful and otherwise often hard to source compounds, most especially in terms of neurological and endocrinological development.
Sleep. There is no aspect of human function that is not improved by better sleep – nor any prognosis not worsened by the lack of it. A form of stress from any thing imposes a burnden on the body’s recovery rate for all things; and sleep is the primary means of emending that recovery rate. It is when the bulk of NGF, HGH, and other signaling molecules are released. It is when excitatory hormones are replenished and stress related hormones cleared. It is when memories, motor engrams, and other impressions are more finely integrated into being. Getting more sleep is literally and unironically like getting on a cycle of the finest PEDs science can devise. People who say things like ‘less sleep means more hours to do work’ are fools who are not actually getting more work done, only more bullshit done. Show me a man who says he has been having problems with getting sleep lately, and I will show you a man who will be having a major life crisis – divorce, accident, loss of position, or so on – a few years later.
Hydration. This is especially relevant to men whose vocations involve regular heavy exertion and or hard contact. A dehydrated body is ‘brittle’, and easily torn, worn down, broken down. Whereas, a well hydrated body is tough and flexible, able to endure loads without damage. This is especially relevant in terms of susceptibility to concussions and other brain trauma. When dehydrated the brain can literally rattle around inside the skull under the force of inertia, greatly exacerbating the damage of impacts, whereas well well hydrated it is ‘solid’ and can diffuse the force of impacts (below given thresholds) without trauma. And of course, it is essential for the regular elimination of antibiotic compounds from the body, along with regular bowl movement. Show me someone who complains of constipation, and the first thing I ask is when was the last time they had a glass of clean drink.
This issue was seriously studied by the Japanese in the Mieji restoration. Their conclusion was the Japanese diet needed beef and milk, and children and teenagers needed to be strongly encouraged to eat milk. However I suspect that macro nutrients (saturated fat and meat protein) matter more in the role of meat and milk than micronutrients.
>However I suspect that macro nutrients (saturated fat and meat protein) matter more in the role of meat and milk than micronutrients.
Matters most, yes. I kept it non-specific in order to include each and all.
No, milk is not that good for adults, especially for Japanese, because of lactose. I assume their conclusion was about milk products.
If rice and beans are all you can afford, you must live in a rat-infested hovel, and rats are delicious and nutritious. I say from experience that after skinning and gutting, rat and squirrel look and taste exactly the same.
I read some account of a man trapped in a far northern cabin after a failed caribou hunt.
The punchline is, you have to eat the rat guts too, or you get the same ‘rabbit poisoning’ problem.
Rabbit-poisoning only happens if you have no fat reserves, the animals you’re eating have no fat reserves, and you have no rice, beans, butter, or other non-protein calories available.
I always save the heart, liver, and kidneys because organs are a great source of vitamins and minerals. Cooking them destroys vitamin C, but you can get that from fresh pine needles. If you’re too far north for pine trees, eat the organs raw.
Yes the original context was someone that onl had starches available.
Rodents dont carry a lot of intramuscular, it’s all visceral. If you’re eating them, cannot just toss the guts like you might when field dressing a deer.
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On topic, and true, but deleted because of the claim that rectifying obesity fixes the woman problem. No it does not.
Quality of fat matters a great deal. Major difference between grass fed cow and corn fed cow, or worse candy fed cow.
Military chow has changed considerably. Take the breakfast menu for instance. Gone are the days of shit on shingles (milk based chipped beef gravy served over toast), bacon, and eggs. All good quality fat with few carbs. It has been replaced by Gatorade, cookies, granola bars, fruit, pancakes with fake maple syrup, muffins, hash browns fried in seed oil, and some eggs. All finished off with more Gatorade. Up to two Gatorades per meal plus extra concentrated Gatorade for fire watch. ~1000 calories of dextrose. Mostly processed carbs and bad fats. Military men 40 years ago were lean. Military men today are chubby, even the Marines, but as they say, ‘your diabetic problems are not service related.’
Insulin spike breakfast. Fast acting carbs, plus seed oil. Everything that is bad about our current diet.
So, why? Obviously food pyramid is political correctness, like the jab and trannies in the military. And political correctness is against manliness and masculinity – I don’t think this diet is just accidentally harmful. I think it is a deliberate attempt to emasculate us.
And insulin spiked lunch, dinner, snack (cereal and seeds) right before lights out, and nighttime fire watch duty extra concentrated Gatorade. All fast acting carbs plus seed oil. Field chow was somehow worse. They put candy and cake into MREs and never enough meat. Whereas I look at 1945’s rations and they had cans full of fatty meats with crackers/bread. Similar to what @C4ssidy observes in current Russian rations.
The diet during training was absolute murder on my metabolism. I always felt immediately drowsy after eating. Not good. Prediabetic sign which I never had before military training. The other young men were also struggling on the diet. Beef was extremely rare, and lean chicken breast never enough.
During days when we only got ‘box chow,’ the main source of fat was probably mayonnaise. I estimate up to ~500 calories per day. I could taste the seed oil. The ~300 calories of cheese we got was full of hydrogenated vegetable oils.
Whereas I look at 1980s military chow and it’s full of real dairy, pork, eggs, and beef. Only some carbs. Not a single chubby guy to be seen in the old pictures. Now, all are chubby particularly around the waist (diabetes fat). I swear, the US government is likely to kill it’s own before enemy combatants do solely based on diet. All I can do is laugh in the face of the horror.
Russian rations in comparison seen to be various fatty organ meats piled onto crackers
“Corn fed” doesn’t mean corn-as-grain. The mature cornstalks are harvested (stems, leaves, ears and all, but the ears are a minor component), chopped, and turned into silage. THAT is what “corn-fed” cows eat, because silage is very nutritious for cows, given half the digestion is already done for them. This is also an efficient use of land as compared to other grasses, corn makes a much bigger pile of forage from the same cultivated acreage. and you can therefore feed a lot more cows on the same land. Yes, corn is a form of grass, just bigger and more nutritious than pasture grass.
“Grass-fed” is what you do when you don’t have the luxury of lush pastures, or don’t have enough irrigation to grow feed corn instead. It makes for generally leaner (and tougher) beef, which is really not what we want. But it sure makes a good marketing term for ranchers who are scraping by on dryland pasture where it’s ten acres to the cow.
This is somewhat true regarding definitions, but highly misleading in its discussion of “nutrition”.
Silage is faster to digest, which you could argue is more “nutritious”, although that’s debatable for a ruminant animal with 4 stomach compartments specifically optimized for very slowly digesting grass; preprocessing the feed into fast-calories is really just a convenient way to fatten up the animal, same as how refined seed oils and carbohydrates fatten up humans. But let’s give that part a pass anyway and suppose that ensiling always improves the feed; from there you’ve made another logical leap to claiming that corn-based or other grain-based silage is automatically better than pasture grass.
Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t, but the logic is specious. Any grass can either be made into silage, or eaten directly, so the only interesting comparison is between like kinds: silage made from pasture grass vs. silage made from corn, or whole pasture grass vs. whole corn. And if a cow would not or could not eat a whole ear of corn (I honestly don’t know, but I’m leaning toward “no”) then we’re already on very thin ice claiming it’s superior to pasture grass after a lot of chopping and fermenting.
It’s like claiming that we get better nutrition from drinking slurry made from pepperoni pizza and drywall in a blender than we do from eating steak and spinach with a knife and fork, because slurry is easier to digest than whole meats and vegetables. It makes no sense. Pizza is pizza whether it’s sliced or liquefied; drywall is inedible in any form; processing might (emphasis might) take away some undesirable bits, also might take away desirable bits, but in any case it certainly won’t add anything that’s not already there.
Grass-fed does tend to be leaner. Tougher, I’m not convinced; if some people find it tougher then it is probably because they are used to the cooking temperatures and times for grain-fed beef, fail to adjust for grass-fed and end up with meat that’s overcooked. If properly prepared, grass-fed isn’t any tougher than grain-fed.
I’m not sure whether you’re trying to spread disinfo or are simply ignorant/indoctrinated by the fake science, but this has been studied pretty extensively in terms of the finished product, not handwavy claims about what’s maybe theoretically better for the cow or more efficient for the rancher, and grass-fed comes out ahead in almost every dimension. Here’s a link that I picked out mainly for its extensive citations:
https://understandingag.com/nutritional-comparisons-between-grass-fed-beef-and-conventional-grain-fed-beef/
More CLA. Much more Omega-3. More vitamins. Lower homocysteines. Many other improvements. The only thing grain-fed really has going for it is higher potassium, and you need to be supplementing that anyway on a meat-heavy diet.
Grain-fed is probably “fine” for most people, I wouldn’t suggest that everyone and their brother needs to spend extra to get grass-fed beef, but if it’s in your price range and not too difficult to find, then there’s no reason to get the cheap stuff. Grass-fed is not (just) a marketing term, it makes a huge difference in terms of the final meat composition.
Not just the meat. Also the butter of grass fed cow is clearly superior in look, taste, smell, and nutrition. The butter from grass fed cow is more expensive than the pale and tasteless American style butter, but not too much so. If the cow’s milk fat production is clearly changed by diet, it’s obvious that the intramuscular fat is also changed by its diet.
>And if a cow would not or could not eat a whole ear of corn (I honestly don’t know, but I’m leaning toward “noâ€)
They will eat anything you give them, you’re behind the times. Farmers have been supplementing the feed with pure corn sugars for at least 10 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgwupX2oPQA
Give cows diabetes, eat diabetic cow products, shockingly 🙃 become diabetic. You are what you eat so to speak.
You were probably being facetious, but just in case you weren’t: I’m specifically questioning whether a cow would eat corn that has not been processed. We can process almost anything and either force-feed it to animals or use a few clever tricks to entice them into eating it, like the attractants they put in low-quality pet food.
Can a cow eat a fully-grown corn stalk – can their jaws and teeth even handle that? I admit I am not an expert on bovine biomechanics, it just seems unlikely. Pigs can eat just about anything, but cow teeth (as far as I know) can’t really “bite”, which is going to be a problem for at least some parts of the corn, especially the ears. Can they just gum the whole ear and grind away at it?
When visiting a dairy farm, I brought along a bag of fresh corn-cobs from my garden. The cows eagerly extended their long, sticky, pointed tongues, grabbed the cobs, and pulled them into their mouths. I’m sure they had no difficulty chewing and digesting them.
Even if tough pieces of plant matter survive the first chewing, they get fermented in the rumen, regurgitated, and chewed again.
Corn is just grass. You can put anything green and leafy from your garden that is left over in front of a cow and they will eat it. The claim of “grain fed†beef is facetious. Those cows are eating 95% corn stalks and wheat stalks, the leftover crap that farmers have been feeding to their cows for centuries, though today they do grind it up and adulterate it a bit. The difference in taste between pastured cattle and non-pastured cattle is muscle mass, which cows will have more of when they walk around more.
They adulterate it a lot depending on location, type of cow, and stage of life. Actual grain bill can be around 50%. Grain leftover from distilleries is a big source depending on how close the rancher is to one.
Jim, what are your thoughts on smoking (pipes and cigars in particular: natural tobacco, no inhaling) and alcohol?
I don’t know much about smoking. Nicotine is good stuff, but the optimal way to get it into one is unclear to me. Safest is patches.
Alcohol’s primary value is that it is truth serum. Therefore should be used in a social setting where all parties drink comparable amounts.
Cigars and pipes have no negative lifespan correlation even with fairly heavy use (though not if you are smoking I suspect over 20 cigars a day but literally no one does that anymore that was like 19th century army officers did)… might be a bit bad for the teeth though and tooth problems are not fun. Pipes in fact correlate with longer life a bit.
Cigarettes do have a correlation with lower life and cancer a bit but I suspect its due to certain additives probably deliberately added. Mass cigarette smoking among young women (which didn’t end in the 1960s or something it lasted until 2010-2012 any stats that said otherwise were lies if you went out to any social venue at night before that time 80% of girls of pre wall age smoked) was certainly preferable to widespread hard drug use and mass obesity among women.
For smokes go filterless. I suspect much of the garbage is in the filter.
Unfortunately, not the case in many instances. In the US, the tobacco itself is infused with FSC among many other chemical concoctions. FSC was introduced because of the fire hazard and casualties incurred by drug addicts nodding off while smoking, or people smoking in bed, or pitching lit cigarettes out the window in dry conditions. At least, that’s what the argument was. Looking at the tobacco container should show you if it’s FSC’d, as it is often done during the fabrication process and is thus tracked by the producers to demonstrate compliance.
If you can get the pure leaf, then I bet you are right, but that’s not a simple task. If you’re going to smoke filterless, and you aren’t a cretin, need to brush teeth and/or mouthwash often, as it will brown your teeth quickly and severely, requiring debriding/scaling after an extended period. Personally, I prefer filterless, but I currently use SNUS and goyslop ciggies because i am a lazy hypocrite.
Me old aunt smoked a pipe for many years, then quit for a couple of decades. She passed away at age 99 so it doesn’t seem all that lethal.
I occasionally smoke a Monte Cristo cigarillo — just one per week or even less frequently — and have found that it seems to reduce or sometimes entirely remove coughs and the similar. Perhaps the bacteria are killed by the smoke? Not a very scientific approach, I’ll concede.
Smoking also seems to be oddly attractive to young women. Well, not so odd when you consider it was always thus. It’s a naturally friendly activity.
Unusual data point… Women smoking pipes (with tobacco) is so rare to be almost unheard of (cigars are somewhat rare with women but about 1000x times more common than pipes)… but the data for men is that it doesn’t negatively impact lifespan.
Cigs which used to be almost universal among young chicks (the stats were lies which you would know if you left your house at night ever before 2010ish almost 80% of women smoked) do have health problems but probably due to being deliberately poisoned and were still a lesser evil than much greater rates of hard drug use and obesity. And yes it was “friendly” in nature… by far the easiest way to introduce yourself to a girl in the immediate pre clownworld era was to have a lighter ready.
Pipes are quite unusual (I think she got it from me uncle); on the other hand, I can’t recall ever seeing a woman smoke a cigar. And few men, outside of some ritualistic situations.
“a lesser evil than much greater rates of hard drug use and obesity.”
Indeed.
The switch to inhaled cigarettes and smoking inside buildings from pipes/cigars outside, plus the materials the filters were made out of, likely is what caused lung problems and cancer to spike after the 1950s.
I never felt bad with cigars, and just 1/3 would leave me with a very nice buzz. Cigarettes just didn’t work without inhaling, and when doing so, immediately felt wrong and unpleasant.
There’s fuckery going around in the patches, gums, e-cigs, and smokeless products like Zyn. Synthetic nicotine salts have largely replaced naturally derived nicotine. Patches might have been the safest 30 years ago, but it’s unsure today.
I smoke cigs, but I get natural pipe tobacco and roll my own, using cotton filters rather than fiberglass filters. This does not only save a boatload of money, I believe it’s better for you. Mainstream cigs include additives so that they burn faster, nasty stuff. Regular smoking does cause emphysema- the lungs produce mucus as a response to the irritating smoke- but with exercise, the effect on endurance is minor. I used to vape for a couple of years instead, and this made my endurance noticeably worse. It is also more addictive; instead of a smoke every two hours, I’d be hitting the vape every 15 minutes.
I don’t necessarily recommend smoking cigs over a pipe though if you do not use tobacco and would like to start. The ideal amount of smoking would be 3-5 cigs a day, but it is hard to keep the habit at that level. Smoking a pipe is much less habit forming.
To smoke a pipe, you have to learn how to fill it, light it, tamp it, and clean it. Requires much more effort and will, in a way. But you get lots of flavour and a pleasant nic-hit (from stronger tobaccos) that cigs just can’t give. Cigars are nice as well, but much more expensive. I like Italian Toscano Antico cigars, they are quite cheap and very, very good.
Aidan’s top guys probably remember him smoking a corn cob in da woods, and that’s what I’d recommend for first-time pipe smokers. As for tobacco, go for ready rubbed cut (not flake or cake or plug) and try different non-aromatic types of blends.
I think I am going to make the jump to homemade, Aidan. Can you spare a nigga some links to the best cotton filters, pipe tobacco, and cig roller? I recall you have an amazing one, was that an heirloom or can I buy online?
Good advice. I would add that you should avoid highly processed food as far as possible. Aside from toxic additives, the nutrition is very poor, so you end up wanting lots to get barely enough micronutrients, but then you’re having too many calories.
Another thing to try is putting an icepack on your balls (not directly) for 10 mins to raise testosterone. On me it had a similar level of effect to low dose TRT. That tip was from What I’ve Learned who has a good YT channel and substack for male health.
Potassium is a tricky one, because most people are already deficient regardless of diet, and the animal sources offering the most K are the very lean kinds that you don’t want to be eating too much of: chicken breasts, smoked/dried fish, egg whites, skim milk, etc. The full-fat variants are of course great, but will end up mineral-deficient at the 2000 calorie target, or whatever your target is.
Coconut water is a good supplement, despite having kind of a SWPL reputation. Just make sure it’s unsweetened and free of other additives. Fill up a 16 oz workout bottle with coconut water instead of tap water and that’s 30% of your potassium needs right there. The rest I try to make up with eggs, yogurt, bone broth and a table salt like Morton Lite which is 50% sodium/50% potassium and is still iodized (you don’t want 100% potassium). There are more optimal salt formulations that include magnesium and other trace minerals but they’re hard to find. Same with properly-balanced mineral water, great if you can get it but most of what they call “mineral water” is just useless carbonated tap water.
I read once that geitost/gjetost is a great source of potassium. Can’t find it locally though. European residents would probably have better luck. Other cheeses should get you most of the magnesium you need, though, as well as any offal you can find.
BMI is a mostly worthless metric promulgated by the same hucksters who want you eating 12 servings of grain a day. Breaking out the scale is a good idea if you’re severely overweight and need something quantitative to track progress and keep yourself honest. If you’re fine-tuning and trying to figure out whether you’re close to your ideal weight then DEXA scans are very affordable these days and will give you precise measurements; aim for 15% or lower body fat but even 20% is healthier than the majority. If you can’t find or afford a DEXA scan, or don’t trust the technology or whatever, then a quick-and-dirty zero-cost alternative is the Denninger Test: stand naked with your back flat against a wall, without sucking in your gut, and look down. If you can’t see your junk, your body fat is still too high. Works for almost any body type.
P.S. thumbs up for clarified butter but don’t forget bacon fat and beef tallow. Strain those bacon drippings through a coffee filter after breakfast and after a few days or weeks you’ll have a jar full of beautiful, semi-firm, pure white and delicious cooking fat that works for almost any recipe. Tallow is harder to find and much harder to make yourself, but is really the only fat that can properly stand up to extremely high heat like broiling or searing in a cast-iron pan. Of course, all of our grandparents knew these things, so I’m not pretending this is novel or groundbreaking information.
La Wik reports tallow as having the same smoke point as ghee and refined seed oils, but that’s not my experience. Tallow is rock-hard at refrigerator temperature, only somewhat pliable at room temperature, and is just barely shimmering when the steak is ready to sear, vs. any other fat I’ve tried which is billowing and almost on fire by that point.
Blocks of frozen suet are not uncommon in some produce stores. Those who live in rural areas will likely find it easier.
That lard, which is delicious, and tallow is almost unobtainable is suspicious. I know that animal fat gets thrown away in very large amounts. This looks like a political unavailability, rather than a genuine market failure.
Animal fat is not “thrown away”. Mostly it goes into animal feed, primarily pet food. There’s a whole cottage industry in collecting fat trimmings and used frying oil for recycling into pet food, because the stuff is too valuable to dump.
But today’s livestock, especially pigs, are much leaner than they were 50 years ago. So there’s a lot less rendered fat on the commodities market. This is why fat content is the largest driving factor in the price of pet food (the actual product, not the distribution markups).
Lard is no longer broadly available not because there isn’t any, but because it no longer sells in the grocery market. Walmart carries lard, but the same tub will sit in the shelf until it’s rancid. Tallow is available bulk for pet food manufacture, and in small tubs for human consumption; put “buy tallow” into DDG and a long list of Amazon sellers comes up (but beware of any not of US or Canadian origin). An outfit called “Fatworks” sells small packages, and there are several selling 5 gallon buckets (not recommended unless you deep-fry all the time; it oxidizes and goes rancid fairly fast, and eating rancid fat can make you blind due to vitamin E binding and retinal degeneration).
Well that is great for pets, but I want some. If they are putting it in pet food, it is cheap. Why cannot I get it except by special and expensive order like a drug deal?
You are saying it is unavailable because no one is buying it. At the prices I am seeing, no wonder no one is buying it. It is a special extraordinary unapproved luxury item
The Mexicans, and those in America, eat huge quantities of lard. I’ve seen it personally. There’s obviously a market for the stuff inside the US, at least in Western states, but it isn’t where most White Americans shop. I’ll have to ask around to find out where they are buying the lard.
College educated leftists will constantly point to the lard consumption as proof that fat consumption is what causes obesity. The Mexicans are all pretty huge. What they are curiously blind to, is that those Mexicans are also drinking staggering quantities of off brand sodas every day. Fiesta is the main one, but American Coke has become the status symbol of wealth. They’ve been eating lard for well over a century, but Mexican obesity is as recent as soda…
Lard is nowadays full of PUFA from the shitty animal feed. Likely has a part to play.
It’s easy enough to find tubs of lard at places like walmart, since mexicans buy lots of it too.
Finding a brand than isn’t adulterated with BHA/BHT, TBHQ, propyl gallate, and other things that will slowly kill you, on the other hand, is much more difficult. And when you do find them, so often it’s some boutique thing that costs three or four times more than it needs too.
Look around for any farmer’s markets in your area, you can get rendered lard and other animal products there that don’t have to cross back and forth over half the world before arriving at your table.
Not to mention staggering quantities of rice, beans, corn and sometimes wheat.
Frankly, when they eat so much of everything, it’s difficult to identify any single root cause of the obesity.
Yes, basically this. Walmart carries that Fatworks brand in small jars – lard, tallow, duck fat, maybe others. Fairly expensive, especially compared to filtering your own bacon drippings, but obtainable. Better (grass-fed) quality available online, at least if you’re in the U.S. For now.
The U.S.-based online retailers ship those buckets on ice and instruct you to keep refrigerated. I always refrigerate animal fats anyway; “in theory” they can be shelf-stable but the slightest impurity can invalidate that. Still, rancidification takes a long time when not exposed to excessive heat, weeks to months, definitely not “fairly fast” and in any case is easy to smell, so I’m not going to worry about going blind. You can always get your VITE levels tested if you’re that paranoid.
Jim does make a valid point, even if it’s not quite so absolute. It is uncommon to find animal fats in stores, and when you do find them, they’re either low quality (like the half-rancid tubs of lard) or far more expensive than heavily refined seed oils on the next shelf up, despite the raw economics favoring animal fat. Obviously somebody’s thumb is on the scale, whether it’s on the supply side or demand side; probably both, Globohomo wants us eating lower on the food chain.
Suet is a weird case. It’s very cheap when you find it, but in my experience it is even rarer to find than premade tallow. That strikes me as probably a demand issue: rendering tallow from suet is “easy” if you know what you’re doing, but I looked up the process once and it didn’t seem very approachable for a novice. And no one’s parents are teaching them skills like that anymore, unless they live on a farm.
Hogs are indeed getting depressingly lean. You have to specifically look for “heritage pork” if you want the same quality that was on the market 50 years ago. Again we can see Globohomo’s thumb clearly on the scale; there is no earthly reason why any farmer/rancher would selectively breed hogs to reduce fat, unless they’re being “incentivized”.
> This looks like a political unavailability, rather than a genuine market failure.
It is political unavailability, but also political unavailability in the sense of NPCs being educated stupid by the state church to not buy it.
We have been vigorously countering the saturated fat propaganda for years. We have significant penetration among normies. Lots of people going keto, lots of people going periodic fasting. There has to be significant demand. Every normie I talk to knows of the keto diet. “The Big Fat surprise”, which does to official food science what RFK Jr’s book does to official science on vaccinations, was a New York Times best seller. It came out six years ago.
I’ve observed lots of double-think in my experience. You can have a good conversation with a normie acquaintance, tell them that actually saturated fat is good for you, and that the whole demonization of fat in general literally started in the mid 20th century with two literal harvard academics who were hired by the literal sugar industry lobby to produce a literal for-pay study saying fat bad carbs good (which they were willing to do since obviously they had no compunctions about bad things happening to the peasantry in the first place) because the growing body of research theretofore was demonstrating the obvious fact that diets with a high ratio of carbohydrates made people sickly. And they will agree and nod along and commiserate with their own thoughts.
Then you part ways, and they go back to their own lives, and they keep eating cafeteria diet anyways.
It’s something everyone may know of in an abstract sense, but not something everyone has internalized.
The ‘red meat bad’ notion is even more deeply embedded than the ‘fat bad’ notion. You can see people willing to publicly accept saturated fat if it comes from a coconut, but then if it comes from another creature made out of the same things you are made out of then by adjudication of the cargo cult it suddenly becomes haram.
It’s also partly generational in my experience. Younger Gen Xers and below are more generally amenable to eating like a normal human. Gen Y’s and above, the television generations, who continue also to watch television in the year of our Lord, 2011+12, are fairly insensitive to any other sources of signaling outside of the preexisting broadcast formats. Waters poured bead and slide off like a oil cloth; any notion planted pulled back up again before it can take root every time they plug back in to the matrix.
The case against saturated fat has been defunct for years. Noone even bothers to mount a defense for it. As you say. Yet it remains official reality anyways, simply declared as fact in every Official body with no discussion necessary, and is duly promulgated and enforced as such. Such enforcement manifesting itself in innumerable ways (for example, the mysteriously endemic tendency for food processing and meat packing plants to get torched by fires, massive animal die-offs from diseases there is remarkable lack of curiosity in researching, and other eyebrow-raising phenomena I am more than given to considering are deliberate acts of terrorism, and which I am sure are nowhere close to the only irons our later day whigs have in the fire), which naturally of course also includes status and signaling and narrative controls; and not only in regards to consumers, but merchants and middlemen themselves as well; who are made, or heretofore have been made, to feel ashamed to work with such products, less enthusiastic about making arrangements involving such products, more prone to keep at further arms length to themselves and others such products, lest they incur ritual uncleanliness. The overlapping margins between Sovereign and Subject when we speak of Political Unavailability.
The Cafetaria Diet is not purely the result of indoctrination, official science, and propaganda. Mostly the problem is that we are maladapted to the twenty four seven availability of supernormal stimuli.
But, given that most normies have in fact heard what you are telling them, and whole lot of them do in fact believe it, the unavailability of lard and tallow suspiciously resembles the unavailability of Christian Christmas wrapping paper. Never once has a guest of mine fussed about dishes that are heavy on saturated fat and red meat.
Given that it is kind of obvious that:
The unavailability of lard and tallow is probably some more of what you have listed, rather than the spontaneous result of lack of consumer demand.
I think spontaneous is one of the last words i’d use for it; then again, it is something of a linguistic rough patch to speak of social organisms whose means of imposing ordination include explicit denials that any such imposition takes place – or that any such ordination even exists.
I’m pretty sure at the Whoel Foods (which is the most efficient and cheapest store for relatively quality stuff) in the big American cities I am in, there is duck fat and tallow and lard by the ghee that I buy.
I don’t remember the prices but I feel like it is unreasonably expensive and more but not so much more unreasonably expensive than most stuff, and the issue isn’t price so much as people don’t really know about cooking with animal fats any more, it’s been censored out of the culture.
I cook or fry my stuff with ghee, some times butter, and coconut oil. I’m sure tallow is technically healthier but I love ghee. Especially if you make it at home (easy) the flavor is wonderful.
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Chimps don’t survive on an all-plant diet either. In the wild they hunt (the males actually go on hunting expeditions), and eat a lot of small critters and insects, whatever is easy to catch. One might note that zoo chimps, who cannot go hunting, are often obese.
The reason “diets don’t work” is because to work, the diet has to be one you can stay on permanently. And most reducing diets are not designed that way, so the moment someone can’t stand the restrictions any longer and goes back to how they used to eat, the diet “stops working”. But if you can live on your chosen maintenance diet for the rest of your life, by definition it will work. It’s a lot easier to stay on a diet that satisfies your biochemical needs, which means primarily protein and fat.
Cravings always indicate either a deficiency, or a hormonal imbalance: usually thyroid, but can also be estrogen or testosterone. Low thyroid causes the brain to be energy-starved, and it responds by craving sugar (but can never get enough, so eventually you get type 2 diabetes). Low estrogen makes pre-menopausal women become vegetarians, seeking replacement hormones in the form of phytoestrogens (which soon makes the problem worse because it inhibits thyroid function, which further depresses gonadal hormones.)
Or your basal metabolic rate will drop from ridiculously low to even more ridiculously low. Which seems to be happening a lot.
This is a major factor that squishy-rightists like Z-man keep overlooking when they label paleo/keto/carnivore etc. as “fad” diets.
“It’s just calories in, calories out, amirite?”
Well, yes, but the “out” is almost entirely based on your BMR/RMR. Intense, sustained exercise barely even makes a dent on its own. If you run a 5K, you might burn 400 calories. That’s a serious run, most guys are in nowhere near good enough shape to manage it, and yet it’s barely 20% of the average daily calorie intake. Consistent exercise does raise your BMR even when not exercising, so it’s not just X calories; but diet is still the primary factor.
Metabolic processes change when carbs are near ketosis levels, and change even more when body composition is below 12-15% fat. The laws of thermodynamics still technically apply, but you’re not fighting hunger pangs, and since using fat for energy is less efficient, you use up more calories even if you literally do nothing else.
But… did you mean to say that keto (and friends) drops your BMR? I believe it should raise your BMR for the reasons above. Or, more accurately, in all the reports I’ve read, your BMR stays more or less the same as you lose weight on a keto diet (vs. dropping when you lose weight on a low-fat diet). The theoretical explanations proposed for that phenomenon seem to be all over the place and I’m not sure if it’s really because of conversion-inefficiency or some other factors, but the observation itself does not seem to be in doubt.
The most common theories tend to be somethings along the lines how how ‘tuned’ the body is to what it scavenges for energy (fat stores, protein/muscle stores, and carbohydrate stores), and that upregulating metabolism of fat via a higher ratio of dietary fat in dietary intake also upregulates preferential scavenging of fat stores for energy first.
Jim is talking about a mainstream “diet†lowering BMR if maintained, which is a slight misreading of what you said
I’ve been consuming in the form of Swedish SNUs. Not sure if a good idea, a bad idea, or the best idea. But a lot easier to use while at work which, of course is smoke free. Chewing tobacco is out of the question, of course. I like better than gum, I don’t like having to “chew.” Some good research on SNUs.
There appears to be no association between snus and cancer, for only the studies that were trying far too hard to find such an association could find one and most studies, despite looking far too hard, turned up nothing. Nonetheless, banned all over the place anyway
Coca leaves and coca tea are banned, too. I suspect, though do not know, that we may have made safe, sensible ways to consume something that may be beneficial inaccessible while making unsafe and destructive ways of consuming… cocaine, crack, etc… relatively easy to access. Just a hunch, though.
It may be bad for women’s reproductive health for a weird reason… no strong data but Queen Anne Stuart had 17 pregnancies and no children that lived…
Don’t know whether it was the cause but apparently she used snuff tobacco pretty constantly.
Snuff and snus two different things. One is inhaling powdered tobacco leaf, the other is savoring shredded leaf in a paper sachet.
Lots of anecdotal evidence that chewing tobacco is hell on the gums. The degree of separation with a bag on the other hand seems to make a big difference.
But what is particularly curious among their heresies is that they allow divorce and remarriage. One would think, after the clear words of Our Lord (“What God has joined together, let not man put asunderâ€) that the permanence and indissolubility of marriage would be a “no-brainer†for a true Christian. And we are not speaking here of marriages that were clearly null and void, due to an impediment, but rather of marriages that are acknowledged to have been valid. In this heresy of theirs, the Orthodox can perhaps find some common ground with Francis, after his infamous Amoris Laetitia
Yeah let’s discover an “impediment” after twenty years of marriage instead and just decide the couple was actually unmarried the whole time and it just so happens nobody noticed, least of all the priest who married them. Clearly not a divorce there, no sir.
Infertility is a terrible fate, but it happens and in earlier times it was impossible to find out in advance; even today it is difficult.
So yes, infertility is an impediment that can only be found after the couple has been trying for a few years.
What would you want a reactionary Church to do in such cases?
Condemning a fertile man to die childless simply because he had the terrible bad luck of marrying a barren virgin is overly harsh in opinion.
Call it what it is – a divorce. Quit trying to jew your way out of it and face the truth like a man. You married the girl, legitimately, and now you’re divorcing her.
Marriage is eusocial reproduction. It makes sense jewing your way out of it if reproduction is impossible. Not the same as no fault divorce anyway.
You could without exaggeration say reproduction is the point of marriage, and to my knowledge childlessness has often been an accepted reason for divorce (“with cause”, if one so prefers).
The heathens had sacred prostitutes for much the same reason. In case of reproductive troubles, let the wife serve, say, a couple of months in the temple and see if she gets pregnant.
The jewing lies in playing word games to pretend you’re not doing what you’re actually doing, not in the action. “This woman is unfortunately infertile so I’m divorcing her for that reason” is honest and accurate, and hence befitting a man. “That marriage totally didn’t count” is not.
“What would you want a reactionary Church to do in such cases?”
How about: allow the man to take a second wife?
There is nothing in the New or Old Testament that forbids laymen from polygyny, and the Greek words imply that he is addressing men some of whom had more than one wife. Monogamy for laymen is a holiness spiral. However it is desirable to prevent the wealthy and alpha from mopping up all the women, so monogamy with some exceptions makes sense.
I would not consider it a holiness spiral. Monogamy is a highly adaptive social technology. In a normal situation, monogamy is much preferred over polygamy. Only when your civilization is dying and a smaller number of sane men have to monopolize female sexuality is polygamy a good idea. Aidan’s Chevauchee will have polygamy in the first generation, then revert to monogamy for the following generations to establish stability. That seems to me a reasonable idea. When patriarchy is unstable, you operate on polygamous mode, and once stabilized you return to monogamy.
What’s to stop Aidan’s Chevauchee from raiding fertile young women from the coasts of Europe past the first generation? So long as patriarchal populations are smaller than gynocratic populations in close proximity, polygamy is sustainable, and those abductable populations are huge. It will take multiple generations to stabilize.
Even then, there will always be a female surplus because many men, even in good times of high civilization, have an uncanny ability for taking themselves out of the picture. So there will be a limited degree of polygamy. The alternative is large nunnery/brothel/suffragette populations.
Consider instead allowing 10-25% of females in each generation to die childless, to maintain selection pressure. All Muslim women have always married, and the result is that Muslim women are uniformly fat, brown, and ugly.
@jim
The permanent disqualification from being Bishop/Deacon as a result of Polygamy along with their Strict Monogamy I believe serves the function of ensuing the normality of Monogamy.
They ruling their Houses well and being of Good character being examples to their congregation.
What is a pastor supposed to do if a couple wants to join and raise their children in the church, but one or both of them have living ex-spouses? Common or not, such cases were used as levers to get Catholic countries to legalize divorce.
Of course the American-Catholic workaround, annulling marriages of which children were born, is utter flim-flam.
Well, it is entirely permissible for mistresses and bastards to attend Church. Where is the problem?
Do these sinful couples have to confess and do penance for all the sex they had during the past week before they’re allowed to take communion?
It used to be Annulments were given rarely because the standard was hard proof there was an impediment, ie one party was retarded, one was married already and it was only found out later etc. But starting with the Vatican 2 disaster the practice changed to embrace modern feminist psychology. Now the annulment tribunals use a nebulous concept of “emotional maturity,” which basically just means the woman can claim the man isn’t passing her shit tests and the annlument will be granted.
Matthew 19 8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so
Divorce is bad and God does not approve but because we are shitty fallen people God suffers us to divorce.
I am far more concerned that rape, meaning immoral sex, is no longer considered sex with someone who isn’t your husband. Rather rape aka immoral sex is sex without personal consent. This is the real heresy and the real knife in the heart of the modern church. God no longer decides what is moral, we do through consent. We are God now and nobody sees anything wrong with it.
Everyone stealth converted to satanism, do as thou wilt, yet for some reason they are still coming to my latter day saints church.
Anyone have any recipies for offal? The only organ meats my pallet can handle seem to be chicken hearts and livers. I suspect freshness is a part of it, but not in a position to reliably get fresh organs.
I was thinking a sort of patte made from various organ combinations with a healthy dose of some fats and fresh herbs might do well to make things more edible, and help manage portions at the same time.
Simply a rich broth soup of various meats and offal. Long slow broiling. About 80% meat/offal and 20% turnips, carrots, barley pearls, just for taste, I simply like that stuff. I guess a stricter carnivore could replace those with some herbs, rosemary, thyme, so only like 2% vegetable content.
I like organ meats now, but even when I did not, I liked haggis. Haggis is the best thing ever, especially when fried or surrounded with a pastry. You’re not far off with the idea of mixing them all together with herbs.
I’ve always wondered if it’s an acquired taste, or something genetic. Although I occasionally eat chicken livers and hearts for the sake of variety, I find them bland and tasteless compared to beef kidney and so on.
With that in mind, I can probably make some suggestions based on what’s either too mild or just barely scratching the itch for me:
Continuing the chicken theme, fried gizzards are great as a snack or side dish. Don’t try to fry from raw, or else you’ll get shoe leather. You need to boil them for a couple of hours to soften them up first, then dredge (shake-and-bake style in a plastic bag works well for these, add whatever spices you want like salt, pepper, garlic powder, paprika, cayenne pepper, etc.), then quick-fry. Goes great with a sour cream or toum dip, just eat them like poppers.
Calf liver (sometimes AKA “veal liver”) is extremely mild and can be bought in thin slices. You can also take adult beef liver and soak in buttermilk for an hour or two; similar result, just messier prep. Liver, bacon and onions gives good macros – cook the bacon first, then sauté the onions and let them soak it all up, then re-grease if necessary (with tallow, ghee, etc.) and give the liver no more than a minute or two on each side. If the liver is still too strong for you, dredge it in some salted coconut flour or arrowroot before the quick-fry. It might seem like the bacon and onions are superfluous to the recipe, but I can assure you that the whole is greater than the sum of it parts.
Almost any recipe involving ground meat can incorporate a certain amount of organ meat – sausages, head cheese, hamburgers, etc. Beef tongue, liver, heart and kidney are common additions. If you can’t/don’t want to make it yourself, you can probably get a butcher to do it, and if no proper butchers in your area then there are some online retailers selling these products, though I won’t shill any particular one. You can make this as rich or as mild as you want, just by varying the ratio.
I’m not big on soups myself, but if you want to tiptoe into tripe, then menudo is the way to go. Maybe you can find a nearby Mexican restaurant that serves it, if you want to try it out before you commit to making it yourself.
Steak and kidney pie/pudding is another forgotten classic. It’s inevitably high in carbohydrates, so I wouldn’t recommend it as a staple, but good way to get used to the taste of kidney.
I’m not sure if you’ve tried beef heart, but it might surprise you. Since the heart is actually closer to being a “muscle” than an “organ”, it looks and cooks more or less like a lean steak. Prepare it however you’d prepare (for example) a top sirloin, probably slow-cooked and served with plenty of gravy. It has a bit of a “funny” taste, I’ll admit, kind of subtly metallic, but it’s nowhere near the intensity of other organs, and if you don’t like the metallic overtones then they’re easy to cover up with herbs and spices both in the cooking liquid (mirepoix, thyme, basil, rosemary, bay leaf, etc.) and in the gravy (garlic, pepper, onion, whatever you prefer). You do have to slice and trim it before cooking, but other than that it’s just like steak.
Also, for any of the above, you don’t need to limit yourself to beef. For almost any organ you’d get from a cow, you can typically find equivalents from lamb, venison, bison, possibly other ruminants. They all have different taste; for example, lamb organs will have that slightly gamier taste just like lamb chops or ribs, whereas bison meat is milder than beef (I’d call it bland, but YMMV) and the same goes for bison organs.
So that’s my last tip – if you’re really feeling motivated to eat organ meats but not enjoying the ones from cows, then try other animals.
Gravy is a problem, because to thicken the meat juices and add flavor I use brown roux. Which is pretty heavy in the carbs. A mixture of one part blonde roux to three parts butter gives it that lovely gravy flavor, but does not do much to thicken it. I hear tell that one can also thicken with egg, but have not experimented with that. Maybe eggs, butter, and enough roux to dissolve the butter in the meat juice would work.
Since I sous vide, I get a lot of meat juice. My wife resents me when I go into the into the kitchen. Of course I am the king of the whole house, including the kitchen, but for the sake of domestic tranquility, would be better to cook outside. Which is traditional for male cooking.
Xanthan gum is what chefs use; dramatic amounts of thickening from relatively small amounts of material, so as to not change the flavour profile in a way that achieving a similar effect with the requisite amount of starch may have.
Egg yolks are emulsifiers, and egg whites are binders, so they can be used for smoothing or thickening or bodifying one’s goops as well (eg, separating the yolks as part of the filling, and whites as part of the shell, is a classic patisserie method).
So, in theory one can make keto friendly gravy by using egg yolk or complete eggs to dissolve melted butter in meat juices, and thickening the result with one part in two hundred of xanthan gum.
I will see how it works out and report.
You don’t need (and don’t want) the egg if using xanthan gum. Polysaccharides are very potent, you need only choose the right one for a given application. Xanthan gum is a jack of all trades (thickener, stabilizer, emulsifier). It also has the interesting property of being stiff at rest, so watch out for that; your gravy will seem to “harden” if you let it sit, but just stir it up and it will “soften” again.
Guar gum actually makes a better texture for gravy than xanthan gum, and is several times more potent than flour, but it’s also highly inflammatory for a lot of people. Still, it’s the best choice if your gut tolerates it. I’m personally not crazy about xanthan-based gravies and can’t tolerate guar gum, so I use either egg yolks + butter, if I’ve got time, or arrowroot or tapioca starch if I’m lazy. If I go the egg yolk route, a good use for the leftover egg whites is to stabilize toum (garlic sauce).
FYI, the whole family is called “hydrocolloids” and includes some totally bizarre substances like methylcellulose which is solid when hot and “melts” when cooled. It’s a fascinating specialization of food science and fun to experiment with if you’ve got time to spare.
Beef gelatin is the best thickener I have found. Also a fantastic source of glycine/proline. Highly recommended for giving body to sauces.
Much obliged friend.
Buff Meat Eater Sword Wielder Carpenter Jesus. WÇ” Supremacy
The Harrowing of Hell, 1547
https://www.nga.gov/collection/art-object-page.39423.html
Vs.
Pot Bellied Emaciated Grain Eater Intellectual Jesus. Wén Degeneracy
The Baptism of Christ by John the Baptist, 1895
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/El_bautismo_de_Jes%C3%BAs%2C_por_Jos%C3%A9_Ferraz_de_Almeida_J%C3%BAnior.jpg
Which one could have bore his own cross, ~300 lbs of wood? By rational deduction, Jesus was obviously meat eating Wǔ incarnate and not some grain eating Wén idol.
Reject Wén, embrace Wǔ.
Why did Gonzalo Lira post that long thread to twitter about skipping bail and trying to escape enemy authorities and with enough detail in his photo backgrounds to geolocate where he was BEFORE he actually crossed the border?
What was he thinking?
He was thinking of the high likelihood that he would be disappeared at the border and knbow one would ever know.
Grass fed beef burger patty – affordable, rich in quality fats – and cottage cheese is a combination I’m intrigued by. Old school ‘diet plates’ built around this. Seems sensible. In my experience, promotes satiety.
Celanese makes the filters. Cellulose acetate. Petroleum-based. Doesn’t seem healthy. Warren Buffet owns big stake. So owns piece of tobacco profits without owning ‘tobacco.’ Also big stake in AbVie, which makes Lupron. And, of course both Coca-Cola, which causes diabetes, and DaVita dialysis centers.
Humorous admission by NYT that the Ukrainian offensive has achieved nothing. Many gems!
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/us/politics/ukraine-troops-counteroffensive-training.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes
Very shrewd.
“Results have been mixed.” Nice euphemism for “we achieved something albeit it was totally insignificant.”
Reasonable but, if you weren’t systematically retarded, it would also raise questions of whether the NATO-standard equipment and tactics are effective in the first place.
banderajak: we did everything you said and we’re still losing!
gigamerican: guess you just suck lol
“The Ukrainians didn’t fail. They simply did not meet strategic objectives while incurring substantial losses!”
“No, no, no. You mustn’t use your ammunition, Volodymyr. If you do that, you’ll run out!”
“Just defeat those orcs, ok? Then you can go back to using bad tactics to mop them up. Simple, really.”
Anyway, I wonder whether the Ukrainian “change in tactics” is newspeak that they’re abandoning the failed offensive.
What won Operation Desert Storm was total air superiority and the Warthog. Our last remaining Warthogs are getting long in the tooth.
It seems Russia has air superiority and neither side has Warthogs.
There is a visceral satisfaction to the experience of letting 4000 rounds per minute of automatic cannon rip.
In the interests of felicity however, it would be copacetic to point out the fact that that the most successful ground attack craft in the gulf war on a tactical and operational level was the F-111 Aardvark; one of the finest things ever produced by American aerospace, and perhaps the only good thing Robert McNamara was ever tangentially responsible for in his life – in spite of himself in all probability.
Aircraft casualties for the Washington empire during Desert Storm were relatively light; of those casualties however, the number one source of losses was A-10’s. The rates of attrition were such that strikes on enemy units were discontinued anywhere except from within a few miles of the front line of contact; such missions being handled by other craft instead. The core problem was its poor kinetic performance, making it more vulnerable to SHORAD, and no DIRCM, ECM, and or weapon systems with enough granularity to engage such point targets, to ameliorate such core deficiencies.
One of the most useful weapon systems in the war of NATO Aggression is glider bombs; and the faster and higher the delivering platform can go, the further away it can release, putting it out of range of enemy SHORAD and theater defense systems – the medium range systems near the front lines being neutralized by artillery; this constituting the basic unlocking loop Russia has been using to make gains.
A more intelligent article from Time: https://time.com/6300772/ukraine-counteroffensive-can-still-succeed/
It’s still biased against Russia:
There’s nothing in the article supporting this assertion of Russian forces suffering from bad morale. Likewise, there’s nothing about the state of Ukrainian morale.
What’s interesting to my amateur perspective is the assertion that Russia lacks reserves.
The article goes on to talk about Russian formations moving around to different points on the frontline and asserts this as evidence that Russia lacks reserves. If they had them, they could rush them up as needed instead of moving around existing forces. The Ukraine army has uncommitted reserves; unsurprisingly, given their zeal for drafting.
Three possibilities:
(1) Russia lacks reserves
(2) Russia is pretending to lack reserves
(3) Russia is doing just fine with reserves
I don’t know which is true. How could I? Much of the evidence is in Russian, like the video of Russian soldiers supposedly complaining about not being rotated. “I miss my home” creatively taken to mean “I despair of all hope of victory.” Typical media spin. Or it could be Russia really is keeping the same units on the front for months.
Here’s a google translation of one of the links in the article:
Just a lot of hearsay. The supposed videos of Russian troops complaining are a lot more interesting. If you were the Ukrainian intel service, you’d probably only give them weight if you’d collected hundreds or thousands of samples of complaining. Otherwise, it’s not enough to confidently assert, on the basis of tiktok evidence, that Russians aren’t being rotated. Have any western intel agencies aggregated hundreds of Russian videos? I don’t know.
The limitations of western intel are plain in the article. The authors have to make a circumstantial argument for the lack of Russian reserves. If the intel agencies know the Russians don’t have them, they’ve not made this information public, which suggests the Russians practice good opsec or the quality of western intel services has decayed.
A few more notes:
Likewise:
In a war of attrition, no one is happy, and it is not hard to find some very unhappy soldiers on both sides, so, given fog of war, hard to determine which side has worse morale. Though I am inclined to suspect that crossing minefields under shelling to attack soldiers in trenches is rather worse for morale.
But one big difference that elites are dying in considerable numbers in the Russian army, while Ukrainian elites are not going anywhere near the front line. They are, in practice, only sending working class people there. They are conscripting sixteen year old boys and sixty year old men, but somehow the man who owns a three bedroom apartment somehow does not get drafted. Which indicates a much higher level of will in Russia than in the Ukraine, regardless of which side is suffering the worse casualties. And, given Russian air and artillery superiority, seems likely that Ukrainians are suffering by far the worse casualties.
The same thing happens when Russia tries to advance. They push a few kilometers in, then get bogged down as enemy drones pick off their armored vehicles bringing in supplies and reinforcements.
Drone warfare is fun when you have drones and the other side doesn’t. When both sides have them, everything within twenty miles of the front becomes a giant killing field. That’s probably why the US bugged out of Afghanistan so quickly — the Taliban were learning to use drones.
In the past year or so I have taken to carb cycling, only eating significant amounts of carbs after heavy weight training. After a workout, I go home and eat ~200g of carbs in the form of fruits, oats, and milk, along with lean protein like turkey, chicken, or fish. For the rest of the time, I eat a keto diet-level of carbs (less than 40g per day) and a very high amount of saturated fat.
I have gotten most of the fat loss benefit of cutting carbs, and the muscle/strength gain of eating them. I’ve dropped from 215 to 195 at 5’10 without only minor (5% 1RM) strength loss. Insulin sensitivity is already elevated post-workout, and eating carbs then is not a problem. Insulin can be simply explained as “the signal that makes things go inside cells”, so increasing it when muscle cells are empty just causes things to go inside muscle cells instead of fat cells.
I am already fat-adapted due eating a purely ketogenic diet for about a year beforehand, and doing 3-5 day fasts a few times per year for the last few years. I do not think it would be working quite as well for me if I did not force myself to be fat-adapted as I would not re-enter ketosis as quickly in between muscle-building workouts (3 per week). I have not found eating carbs after an endurance/cardio workout to be necessary. I believe this is because muscle glycogen is not exhausted.
Peer review is dead. The paper describing a ceramic composite that is superconductive in your bedroom is ostensibly out for anonymous peer review performed by fancy journals, but scientists and hobbyists and industrialists are working on it in their garage and reporting what they find in real-time on Twitter.
No one cares what the anonymous peer review committee says or who they are. No one is interested in whether the paper will be approved and published in Nature> or Science. One of the scientists working on it says both Nature> and Science already rejected a previous submission. It’s still unclear whether the claimed results really hold but at this point entirely obvious there is something weird, novel, and real going on.
I am reading a lot of stuff — mostly noise, but signal too — coming out of Korea and China and even India. No one would be paying attention to what the Americans are saying if the Chinese spoke English and if Americans used Chinese social networks and forums. And the most interesting American results are coming from hobby garage scientists and white guys working in space companies. No one, absolutely no one, is paying attention to what Harvard or MIT have to say on the matter.
A crowd of fancy Korean academic elite recently announced the formation of a verification committee that is going to study whether the material is superconductive. A few hours after announcing the committee, the committee reported that the material was not superconductive. No one cares, and no one is paying attention to their proclamations, unless their proclamations are accompanied with video, description of the experimental algorithm, and a human-readable summary of the result in good English (or good Korean).
The fancy Koreans are annoyed and disturbed that important contributions came from a guy who left the academy for 20 years to work as a battery scientist for Samsung for money
Btw, the only reason we are so lucky here is that the materials used to create Lee-Kim-99 are so readily available and common that normal people and normal scientists can get their hands on the relevant stuff without the approval of department committees and government grant bureaucrats. This was not true for most of the other interesting superconductor candidates in the last decade and is not true of most interesting things.
In America it is a little hard to get red phosphorous, ostensibly because it is a meth precursor, but you can (for the time being) buy matches.
Sadly most interesting stuff involves complicated and expensive materials and machines you are not allowed to buy. (It is not just that you cannot afford to buy it. It is that you simply cannot buy it unless you have the necessary approvals and signatures, even if you are a rich man. You cannot “add to cart” and buy with American Express the vast majority of scientifically and industrially interesting stuff, even if it is harmless. There is simply no culture of being able to buy the vast majority of interesting stuff. You must have a credible LLC with credible HR with a credible purchasing department reach out to the counterparty’s credible salesforce. As opposed to, ‘add to cart’).
You can sometimes get stuff on Ebay.
In Gavin Newsom’s California, it’s not uncommon for me to try to order something on Amazon (denatured ethanol, light bulbs, plumbing fixtures, Bug-A-Salt), only to be met with, “We can’t ship to your location.” When this occurs I immediately go over to Ebay and purchase the same product with ease.
The reason is Amazon is a centralized vendor that is now mostly converged, while Ebay is still mostly a distributed marketplace of small retail vendors and used product sellers, with Ebay serving only as a middle man.
When was it ever alive? Real scientific progress has always been predicated on replication and application, not peer review.
Peer review is democracy; it represents the debasement of science, not its lofty heights.
It was never alive in the sense of actual scientific progress
But it was very much alive in terms of the status it had and the holiness it conferred…… until now, which is what Aryaman is reporting
Being published was alive until last week, that it is not a signifier of real science and progress notwithstanding. Recently, as in last year, Scientistsâ„¢ acknowledged that Alzheimer’s was actually not because of deposits of a particular amyloid protein that had been the chief therapeutic target for the past 17 years.
This was billed a big victory for peer review and institutional science, because the discovery ostensibly came by way of a formal committee from Science studying the data for 6 months. That is how the New York Times tells the story.
Turns out, the reason everyone learned of it was because of a dogged short-seller who looked at the numbers and understood the biology to realize it was a fraud, and kept at it. The committees and journals had nothing to do with it, it was all a random guy trying to understand things to make money, and his lawyers.
Sounds familiar. Dr. Malcolm Kendrick said similar things about “artery clogging” in that he suspected that mild clogs are healthy and natural healing, so anti-cholesterol drugs aren’t very helpful for average heart disease (mostly an inflammation issue), only for when you’re about to be killed by your own healing process. But if you’re in that category you’re either already very old or doing something very wrong that should be fixed first before any drugs.
I suspect AI already knows that Alzheimer’s is either “type 3 diabetes” or long term herpes consequences, but no one wants to hear this. AI might just know what causes all the diseases, but it just can’t make it past peer review.
AI review might just be a sweet spot, something serious enough to use but not taken too seriously and personally, etc.
Elevated serum cholesterol levels are a damage signal like inflammation is a damage signal; it is not a cause of damage nor the damage itself, it is the body’s attempts to heal the damage.
Prescribing cholesterol reducing drugs to treat atherosclerosis is like prescribing a white blood cell reducing drug to treat a mononucleosis infection. Well, when we see a patient with an infection, we see that they have skyrocketed white blood cell counts. Boom, slam dunk peer reviewed study in Nature and new multimillion dollar product market.
This is not even hypothetical by the way; prescription of immunosuppressants is literally ‘standard practice’ for many cutaneous infections.
Modern medical practice is both profoundly stupid and actively malicious; stupid because malicious.
To wit: I know of an acquaintance who suffered a permanent loss of vision in one eye after a viral outbreak, because every intervention prescribed was either useless at best or made things even worse; he kept visiting doctor after doctor because nothing done by the last doctor was working; and in the end he got worse than nothing, and payed several thousand dollars for the privilege.
How can this happen? Well we see here the patient is complaining of pain and inflammation, and we see here on this box of prednisone eyedrops that it is indicated for reducing inflammation; boom, insert tab A into slot B, job done.
What about how the exact pharmacodynamics of a substance’s mechanisms of action interact with the specific nature of the condition in question? Never mind that. It’s cargo cultism all the way down.
Yes, if you have eye inflammation caused by a disease agent, prednisone is likely to directly cause blindness, by allowing the disease to flourish unchecked. We have an ever increasing amount of medical malpractice sponsored by the big drug companies. And doctors can be charged with medical malpractice for not complying with treatment rules merely because there is overwhelming evidence (deemed rebutted by official science, even though the rebuttal provided no explanation of how it was a rebuttal) that the practice is harmful and extremely dangerous.
That’s horrible and entirely believable. Lack of knowledge regarding the underlying pharmacodynamics seems to be a recurrent theme in the tsunami of medication prescriptions we see nowadays.
Why does prednison reduce inflammation? Because inflammation is part of the immune system’s fight against an infection, and prednison suppresses the immune system. Useful with an overactive immune system, bad news with a functional immune system trying to do its job.
Lack of knowledge? Why do you think so?
Look at the clot shot. It was not lack of knowledge that caused physicians to a administer it.
Different ways to describe similar problems. Call it lack of knowledge, lack of curiosity, crimestop, protocol obedience or evil, boils down to curiously similar results.
The average general practitioner has the same aptitude for independent thinking as your local TV weather lady.
Thank God. One of my least favourite duties in days of yore.
Best news in a long time.
has anyone noticed chatGPT becoming increasingly niggardly and lobotomised even for code?
Yes. It confabulated an api that not only did not exist, but could not possibly exist.
It’s not just you. There was a paper someone posted about the dumbing down of chatgpt in recent months. Altman is a lunatic Jew. I don’t trust him based on the cut of his jib alone but his release of the eyeball coin is enough proof of who he serves.
Google’s Bard and Bing chat are all mainstream LLMs which are less stymied by political faggotry than chatgpt. And those are only google search 2.0, assuming when google was useful circa 2012 before relevant information became buried behind ads, paid sponsors, and shills. And the LLMs are still less useful than using search + reddit for nearly any topic. Reddit is looking to launch its IPO but faces the same problem that search did in the 2000s and that is monetization.
And monetization is what the tech companies are doing now. They’re doing what they know. Microsoft is selling software but now with AI. Google is selling ads but now with AI. The only two companies I’ve found with a specific, marketable product that are using AI are Adobe and Palantir.
Not familiar with these. What are they selling?
Palantir was founded by Peter Thiel. It is a “data analytics” company that is heavily spook associated.
Palantir sells software to the CIA to spy on everyone. They’re a big data analytics company who claims their software is ten years ahead of the rest in their industry. Which is probably true since they’ve been working with the intelligence agencies since 2008.
Adobe’s new Firefly product is amazing and uses text to image generation with professional design. Their stuff is leaps better than Dalle or Midjourney. Firelfly allows for upscaling at high resolutions and offers a click and drag feature to manipulate objects in an image. Some text to image generators allow for editing the image via text but Adobe is developing software to add a different background or change the pose of a person in the foreground.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sJfNfMAQHw
They literally lobotomize it on the regular, I’m surprised it’s as functional as it still is.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/david-garrow-interview-obama
Extremely revelatory article for those who can read between the lines. Turns out the radical faction of the democrats is in charge of the Biden administration, and the radical faction is led by… Obama. It really is that simple. Note complaints of Obama’s lack of loyalty to Brezhnev faction. Combined with the recent news of a dead gay hooker turning up on Obama’s property, this constitutes a call by Brezhnev faction to remove the radical faction.
Light dawns.
That Biden has been on the take, that everyone always knew Biden was on the take, has become speakable because the Thermidorians are making their move.
Thermidor led to the incredibles, who for a while looked like they could take power. For a while it seemed that they had taken power. But in the end they were squashed. Because they reflected the decadence of the aristocracy that they hoped to restore. They were not willing to set the clock back far enough.
War Faction is pivoting to Niger with ECOWAS as proxy. Biafra (my favorite negro enclave besides Somaliland) has announced they are ready, willing, and able to break away. Turkey and Egypt lining up against UAE as suppliers and *ahem* brains. Tanker War II: insurance policy boogaloo is slowly ramping up too.
Domestically, they are going after every vestige of coherent dissidence (Trump, BAP, alt lite journos) in addition to the war for abortion and the war on guns.
Reminds me of that Lenin quote about years were nothing happens then weeks when years happen or some such. I think the faction struggle is about to get kinetic, so I expect assassinations of both person and character to ramp up. Someone on Twitter pointed out that Governors and GOP state legislatures aren’t going to do anything, but sheriffs might.
“I expect assassinations of both person and character to ramp up.”
Make a guess at what political movement will get blamed.
“Someone on Twitter pointed out that Governors and GOP state legislatures aren’t going to do anything, but sheriffs might.”
Two Democrat factions having at each other. GOP is clearly powerless, so they should just sit it out (except they will do whatever their sponsors tell them). I’m guessing we would see elaborate Whitmer-style activities to begin with, except without the “ha ha just kidding” at the end. The Department of Hillary Clinton will look away. etc. Rogue military drone operators, anyone? Military drones “hacked by the far right”?
At a later stage, when there is less delicateness, it might get into heavier “Cartel” activities with a hundred beheaded civil servants found in a warehouse near Chevy Chase and such. Weapons found at site were government issue you say? Oh dear, that Eric Holder. Might get exciting if it happens.
counterintuitively, this might be a good thing. If all the violence that might occur in a left on left factional struggle gets blamed on the GOP/conservatives, then it becomes substantially easier to say ” Well, we are already being blamed for it, why not get ahead of the curve and [REDACTED]?”
I wouldn’t bet a lot on the GOP in this situation. As to conservatives, the boomers are done and it’s basically up to the kids now. What could they do? I do have some ideas: [REDACTED]
The hundreds of high-ranking Democrats who would have turned up dead under an eight-year Hillary presidency owe a huge debt of gratitude to Barack Obama. But is he really their leader now, or even their mascot? He enjoys the trappings of power very much and loves being the center of attention, but never showed much interest in the dirty details of managing a global empire.
Remember to the parable of King Stork and King log. Obama is, as far as democrats are concerned, King Log.
Unfortunately, for us, he is King Stork.
Nah Obama is an actor, never was anything else. Valerie Jarett made 99% of his decisions (the only exception supposedly being approving the Bin Laden raid).
He is not a master conspirator; rather he is the human schelling point around which the “kill whitey†faction of the Democrats organizes. They all go from the White House to his DC mansion to take orders, even if those orders do not come from Obama himself.
From 1916 to 1932, the Kill the Goy faction of the communists was in power in Russia, until Stalin quietly took total power. That the Rothschilds went belly up in 1930 after their depositors asked to see the money that the Rothschilds had been pissing away on war and revolution may have been a contributing factor to his success. (That is why it is safe to say Rothschild Rothchilds Rothschilds Joo Joo Joo all day long but dangerous to discuss Soros prosecutors and Soros color revolution)
The actually brown part of the Kill Whitey faction of the Democrats is pretty dumb. Unfortunately they are in coalition with the Kill the Goy World War III now Soros-Blinken-Nuland-Kagan faction. Soros is still mighty smart, and Kagan, Blinken, and Nuland are at least midwits. When Soros goes, they will have a problem, but right now likely to be difficult to remove them.
There are no General Moncks in our army. Every single one has been purged, and no one can make it to the rank of captain without being totally on board with transexuals, women in combat, soy and bugs. (Actually bugs are not that bad, but soy is very bad Trouble is that bugs get processed into nutrient paste, which then gets processed into simulated food, from which all the nutrients have been destroyed and a chemistry set of poisons added. Soy is bad for you to start with, and gets worse the more it is processed.)
This whole piece and conversation is very interesting. I thought it was significant that this hit piece came from Tablet and that the main shots it took at obama, aside from his extreme self-obsession, obvious homosexuality, and general lack of loyalty to “the party†was over his supposed antisemetic leanings and his foreign policy failures. I read that as the more jewish imperial faction trying to tap the breaks on the kill whitey faction led by obama with Biden as the puppet.
Soros is well informed because he is a CIA front. Once I thought through how I would run the CIA. Generate funds I do not have to tell Congress about how they are spent through selling secret information to a speculator in a post-Waterloo Rotschild style. Have the speculator have an NGO that does all the easier kinds of CIA jobs. “we are doing overtly what we used to do covertly”
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Yeah its more like this…
So is the Trump case the pivot the MSM need to move away from the loss in Ukraine?
Loss? Does this look like losing to you, comrade?
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-military-has-new-transgender-spokesperson-1817334
I hear Putler already offered Russia’s unconditional surrender.
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Obama’s imperial policies led to disaster in the Middle East. Now look like they are leading to disaster in the Ukraine. This, however, is starting to look like an extinction event for the Global American Empire, as a swathe of countries in Africa start feeling their oats. This is reminiscent of the war of the laws, that followed the Soviet defeat in Afghanistan. The African countries are jumping the gun, would have been safer to wait for the Ukraine to be resolved.
The Global American Empire has cut Russia’s warm water access to the Atlantic. For centuries, Russia has been fighting wars for warm water access. If Russia wins in the Ukraine, the countries between Russia and the Atlantic will feel a cold breeze.
The obvious solution is the one adopted by the Turkish Empire, and adhered to so far by every successor government in Turkey. Grant Russia transit rights by treaty. Which Nato already did, and already violated. If such treaties can be lightly violated, every Russian government, even if there are radical regime changes in Russia, even if there are radical changes in regimes and alliances around the world, is going to have its eye on restoring warm water Atlantic access, regardless of treaties, regimes, and alliances. This is a huge liability for Nato states in that area, an intolerable cost of Nato membership. If Russia wins the Ukraine, Nato states along the Suwalki corridor need to consider leaving Nato and resuming observation of the treaty, or else sooner or later they are going to be expended the way the Ukraine is being expended. Win, lose, or draw, life is going to be unpleasant without everyone trusting a treaty granting Russia access to the ocean, and it is going to be more unpleasant the closer one is to the Suwalki corridor, and more unpleasant if America withdraws from empire.
Why do you say so? It seems like the GAE has its hands tied with the Borderland, and so now would be the time to pull away.
Well I am expecting a resolution in which Global American Empire’s troubles multiply exceedingly, but prediction is difficult, especially about the future, and, not knowing what the future may bring, now is a lot better time than before the Ukraine war.
I agree that they are jumping the gun, but I don’t think it is a completely foolish idea. It is a risky idea, which means the rewards are probably substantial. I don’t remember if it was McGregor or Ritter or Mearsheimer, but one of them made a point about Putin’s strategy that I had not considered. we all pretty much agree here that the soft touch applied to Ukraine was a mistake, And I’m not going to delve into the reasons why because it has been discussed at length. but there is something to be said for occupying a moral high ground. One of those three gentlemen said that Russia has very successfully portrayed itself as calm, thoughtful, and compassionate in its handling of the ultra nationalists in Ukraine, rallying many middle and minor powers to its side in a spiritual sense. looking at global strategy, this may seem inconsequential, it may seem like it’s not worth dragging the war out in Ukraine. but NATO is being bled white in the logistics sphere, and with the expansion and spread of Wagner, this choice may have been fundamental in motivating the lesser powers to start acting. The United States military is in a strange place on this one, because it is largely the officers and soldiers. US trained that have initiated the coup, and the French are in a sticky predicament because they are not really ready for a war, a real war, and it looks like they are making the same foolish assessments that the GAE did in Ukraine.
I think it is important to remember that African leaders and militaries are largely trash when it comes to actual combat, which is par for the course for all negroes, but they can be surprisingly effective when they have the right leadership. In World War, I, Indian troops performed very well with British officers, but when the officers were wounded or killed, the troops became combat ineffective. so we may see a similar situation with the war in West Africa, particularly if these minor powers keep acting like Europe in 1914, with their treaties and deadlines and ultimatums. so we may very well see the expansion of the conflict that has been discussed here, but as per usual, the KD prediction was wildly incorrect, at least partially: I thought the conflict would expand into Eastern Europe, but it appears that the proxy conflict between the GAE and the multipolar confederation is going to spread first to Africa. I still think there will be an expansion of conflict in Syria and Iran as well. And we know that the pants suits in Foggy Bottom are not going to be successful with their wars because faggot sympathizers can’t fight wars.
I’m not entirely convinced of the racial inferiority of non-white troops, although there is some decent evidence in its favor. It would be regrettable to be proved wrong in battle.
With that caveat, the theory seems to be true but even that shouldn’t be taken too far. Sure, Arab troops are probably trash in close up engagements, infantry or tanks, but that doesn’t mean they’re no good at the less visceral skills of artillery, air support, or long range bombardment.
Aidan’s project should work fine in sub-Saharan Africa, especially if the opening phases of a surprise attack neutralize the enemy airfields and armor depots, but I don’t think a thousand men with rifles could take on Egypt or Saudi Arabia, given their equipment.
A social organism capable of providing effective artillery, air support, or other long range fires, is not less intensive than one which can provide effective small unit engagements, but even more intensive.
A possible outcome in Niger is that Niger asks French troops to leave. They don’t. They find themselves up against Wagner troops “assisting” and “training” black troops.
Western neocolonial operations in Black Africa no longer make use of black troops officered by white troops. That looks too neocolonial. The way it usually works is that white troops provide air and artillery support for savages of tribe A while they genocide savages of tribe B. The plan under consideration is that black troops from neighboring countries will do the actual killing, while French troops provide artillery and air support.
It has become obvious in the Ukraine that Nato standard tactics weapons and tactics are ineffective against a peer adversary. We have yet to see what happens when a modern Western European Nato army of gay logistics workers and childless women fed on soy protein, processed carbs, seed oil, and corn syrup, go up against men. The outcome is likely to be interesting.
It became obvious in Yugoslavian war, and in events in Africa a couple of years ago, that Europe’s gay armies are just are disinclined to fight. They are all logistics. Britain’s army has a hundred generals, but can only put a hundred boots on the ground. The tail has consumed the teeth. Insourcing logistics, granting camp followers stolen honor in order to devalue the honor of soldiers, has the result that if there is one man in your army who does not fight, by and by there will be no man in your army who fights, and the armies of Europe are reaching this end state, a process greatly accelerated by emasculation and affirmative action for women, gays, and browns. Poland is the only army left in Europe so far as is known, though Finland and Lithuania are unknowns. Hungary and Serbia probably have real armies, but are unlikely to die for the Global American Empire. Likely there are some real armies left in Eastern Europe, but western Europe is all gay logistics and childless women.
Why Arabs lose wars:
https://ciaotest.cc.columbia.edu/olj/meria/meria00_den01.html
https://youtu.be/4hmXnUKxiC0
here’s a pretty good summary of what is going on in West Africa right now, and a little bit of what and why Wagner is doing.
David Brooks in the NYT: “Are We the Baddies?”
https://archive.md/2Ecge
Well, election season is approaching so I guess it’s time to respect the MAGA voters for a while. Still, Dov, just keep your 81 million totally authentic votes (“but how?!”) and you’ll be fine.
A card-carrying NSDAP man coincidentally at the head of every HOA, book club, or rec league.
Now when will it dawn on them that “upper-middle-class” isn’t primarily an economic caste but an aristocratic priestly caste.
Or that “I’m not White, I’m Jewish!” won’t save them from their beloved diversity when the Day of the Machete arrives.
The progressives will often argue that proof of oppression lies in the fact Whites make more $ than Blacks and that men make more $ than women. They then attempt to put Whites on the economic chopping block by stirring up racial/ethnic animosity. That chopping block is increasingly looking like an actual physical chopping block. It never seems to dawn on them, liberal Whites/Asians/Jews, that by their own logic they will be on the chopping block as well. They are creating a monster they don’t understand.
This is more introspection from a blue tribe mouthpiece than I’ve ever seen but even here they lie… there is no merit to them academic or otherwise other than the ability to swallow shit from their superiors and smile.
The fox knows many things but the hedgehog knows one great thing.
I did animal based for 6 months, basically lots of saturated fat, meat, and fruit. It felt great and I was down 20 pounds of mostly bloat, which shows you how the seed oil and goyslop stuff just piles shitweight on you.
Regarding crypto, remember the times when online poker and betting were built up into flourishing businesses, then banned by the US authorities and taken over by responsible, licensed mainland entities?
The SEC and others seem to be on a similar spree now regarding crypto companies of all sorts. Some of it may be deserved, though the reporting also feels like a propaganda push.
Next step will then be takeover of US market by (well-connected) US entities.
How did they take them down?
By seizing the domain names.
We need a blockchain to replace the domain name system.
I was surprised not to find Sher Singh on jim-site jubilating over the Sikh convenience store clerk who beat a rampant jogger with a stick but, as it unsurprisingly turns out, the California police are investigating this Sikh for assault:
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1688223049663848448
“Sir, this is an advanced democratic state. You can’t have law and order.”
Sher Singh’s payload is that licking the Cathedral’s ass allows you to triumph over the your (non Cathedral) enemies.
If the Sikh had beaten up a white male heterosexual law abiding taxpayer, he would be celebrating.
He regularly promises, with some truth, that our evil habit of eating cows will be suppressed. He neglects to mention that we will be made to eat bugs. He is triumphalist about those aspects of Sikhism that the Cathedral rather likes. Using violence against bad people, as the Sikh shopkeeper did, is an excellent aspect of Sikhism that neither he nor the Cathedral likes.
You just gave us our shill test
I’m finding increasing penetration of this meme with normiecons.
The price of arguing that people shouldn’t take the law into their own hands is actually enforcing the law reasonably. You have to be able to say that the magistrate establishes justice and punishes evildoers without laughing, as Paul did in the book of Romans.
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If he jubilated about that sort of stuff, I would not be deleting all his stuff. He jubilates over Cathedral approval for Cathedral approved Sikh behavior. Are they burning cow slaughter facilities? The US government is burning cow slaughter facilities, in the sense of turning a blind eye to government sponsored anti meat terrorism.
Why? Beating up niggers happen fairly reg in Sikh areas.[*deleted*]
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If so, a good thing worthy of celebration. But you do not celebrate it. Instead you celebrate service to the Cathedral worthy of getting genocided. And the Cathedral will in due course feed you into the meat grinder as it is feeding the Ukrainians.
All the stuff you celebrate Sikhs doing is done under the assumption that the Global American Empire will protect its servants from the consequences of their actions. Which assumption has recently become a whole lot shakier.
If it were happening frequently it would definitely be featured prominently in the news. Actual niggers are holier than Sikhs in the globohomo hierarchy so the offending Sikhs would be swiftly punished by the State and put in their place as what happened in this instance.
Truth is most Sikhs just like anll the others have embraced globohomo ideology completely and treat niggers as most holy of holies and what happened in this case was a rare exception.
If it was happening at all it would be featured prominently in the news.
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You think that because Sikh’s are pets of the Cathedral, you are high status?
You are above Christians and Hindus in the victim hierarchy, but Dalits are above you, and Negroes way above you. By internalizing your enemies thoughts, you are conquered both without and within.
Sikhs are under 1% the size of those groups yet still hold their own. [*deleted*]
You are not holding your own. You are pets of the Cathedral, and a lower ranking pet than blacks. If you were actually holding your own, the Cathedral would be mighty pissed with you.
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Nothing happened to Sikhs tho..[*deleted*]
The process is the punishment. When enforcing an unpopular law, they put you through the legal process for years, they hold you awaiting trial, etc, and when they are through, even if you are acquitted, as you very likely will be, you will have been punished more severely than if you had pled guilty.
And that is what is going to happen to the Sikh who defended his property against a black shoplifter. Now if he had murdered a white woman for being white, as José Inez GarcÃa Zárate did, would have had no problems.
I predicted years ago that all the stores in California would soon be owned by Muslims. Thieves would be summarily unhanded, and anyone who complained about it would be arrested for Islamophobia.
Instead it seems that Islam has become as converged as Sikhism and neo-Paganism. Muslims are just brown people now, whose skin tone makes them holier than whites but less holy than blacks.
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Go ahead, tell us more about this, https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1688223049663848448
Dharmic, we have our shill test
So burning an entire village of SC/ST Hindus is okay, but beating up actual cathedral approved criminals is not
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I think it is important to distinguish between the Dalit problem created by the Indian Secular State and the “International Dalit” problem created by the Cathedral. To be sure, the Indian Secular State is primarily responsible for the caste-mess that we are in now and nothing short of restoring Varnashrama by a Hindu Monarch will end the problem, but despite everything the “Dalit” problem was seen primarily as one within the greater inter-caste conflict within India.
The “international Dalit” problem is the Cathedral touch to an existing fault-line. They have effective made it a “racial” issue rather than one of inter-caste conflict. It is the Cathedral making Dalits embrace their “spiritual niggerdom” and completely reject Hindu Civilization. It is attempt at weaponization of Dalits against Dharmic Religion rather than against merely the State.
Whenever the Cathedral finds a group ripe for playing the victim, they project spiritual niggerhood to the group on a global scale by creating the narrative around it. They use the same playbook for Dalits as they do with Sikhi.
But of course, She/Her Sikh will not acknowledge the Dalit problem on this basis just as he will not admit that international Sikh victimhood is primarily a project of the Cathedral.
Sikhs deserve their own state [*deleted*]
Every faith should have its own state. But in a world of Global Empire, only large states can resist. The price of having your own state will be the Gay Parade, the memorials to your honoured dead will be torn down, marriage will be abolished, your children will be trannified and your temples will worship the Gaia demon and the Covid demon.
Every large state starts off a small one.
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Not by historical re-enactments of three century old weapons it does not. Plus, you need a living guru, a Caesar. Your Transkhalsa not only has no real weapons, it has purely priestly forms of organization. Lacks the organizational capability for organized violence. Plus, you would need to face your real enemies, instead of hating on enemies that the Cathedral rather likes you to hate on, such as cow slaughterers.
If Sikhs get independence, it will be as part of a Globohomo plan to break up India, because India united has the potential for independence. In which case you will have gay Sikh weddings within two years of “independence”.
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I am Aryan. You are a mongrel.
As a result of ever more detailed gene reads, and reads from old skeletons we can track the travels of each group of Aryans, and the dlution that happened during their conquests, rather precisely.
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DNA from old bones and living people enable us to trace Aryan migrations in great detail, which detail is consistent with the language derivation data and our information on the old religion. Also consistent with the archaeological and historical evidence of the sudden and violent disappearance of cities and literacy from western end of the Mediterranean to India and everywhere in between. Thanks to the genetic data, we can identify the origins and travels of numerous tribes of Aryans with an accuracy of a few hundred kilometers, and their minglings with the various conquered races en-route.
1. You are a mongrel.
2. The group that headed westwards and eventually conquered Scotland, among other places, was remarkably genocidal, and arrived fairly pure, while the group that conquered India did a lot of mingling en-route, and a lot more mingling after they arrived.
Are there any good hypotheses as to why this occurred? My only guess is that slaves were more profitable in the subcontinent, whereas Northwest Europe is quite suitable to pastural economics.
Judging by how populous the subcontinent is and has been throughout history, I’d wager that the Dravidians outnumbered their conquerors by a much greater margin and that had a lot to do with it.
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1100267815883264070/1137944947417419786/image.png
This is basically the real Redpill on women.
Now I’m out.
Don’t ever say I posted nothing based.
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Back in the days of alt.seduction.fast, around 1994, it was the real red pill on women. In 2023 it is faintly purplish shade of blue. Because alt.seduction.fast was full of blue pilled degenerates who found that what they were discovering seemed very strange and very bad.
If you were actually based, you would be celebrating the Sikh shopkeeper who beat up a shoplifter on video, instead of celebrating Sikhs being cowardly faggot servants of the Cathedral.
A Confucian literati huh… I know just the thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_literati_purges
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You can boast when Sikhs have real warriors and a real Khalsa – meaning a Khalsa that trains in the use of organized violence with modern weapons, rather than a Khalsa that does re-enactments with replicas of the weapons of three centuries ago.
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I took your thing about 3 C ago seriously, and brought it up with real Singhs.
As usual, you censored my response. [*deleted*]
Your response amounted to saying that transwarriors are a good step in the right direction.
Which it would be if your transkhalsa showed the slightest interest in becoming a real Khalsa.
You attacked me for saying that buildings with the appearance of being made of stone actually ought to be made of stone [*deleted*]
There are no buildings around with the appearance of being made of stone, except for stone buildings. There are buildings that give concrete textures, among them the texture of stone. Which is no more fake than giving them a coat of paint. You are giving us the postmodernist defence of architectural brutalism, that creating buildings for humans, that create friendly intermediation between the human scale and the building scale, are fake and pretence. No, they are real, for human hands made them for humans. The point of brutalism is to create buildings that are temples for demons. A masive uniform sheet of concrete is ugly when its scale is bigger than human. So you give it texture and detail.
I have a wall made of natural rocks. It does not look much like a concrete wall with concrete texture or clad in tiles of the texture of rock, because no one is trying to fool anyone when they build a decorated concrete wall. They are trying to avoid the ugliness of brutalism, by introducing intermediate scales. The postmodernist rationale for ugliness is that anything that is not a temple to demons is fake, because only demons are real. Decoration is not fake.
[*deleted*] But fake stone is like the fake gold chains on every rapper’s neck <strong>[*deleted*]
The rapper may well want you to believe it is real gold. The man who makes concrete in the style of stone is highly unlikely to want you to believe it is real stone, as is completely obvious from the way it is done. He wants the nice aesthetics of stone. Because concrete is naturally stony, any time someone uses color, shape and texture to make it look nice, it is likely to look like stone.
The first step into my house looks like a convenient and rather attractive natural rock outcrop. Except it is pink. and has a flat horizontal surface the same shape and size as the rest of the steps. Everyone thinks it is a natural rock outcrop, but if I was trying to fool people, would not have made it pink and would not have made its flat surface the same shape and size as the rest of the steps. I was not even trying to make it look like stone, but rather trying for transition between the rigidity of the steps, and the natural curve and slope of of the ground that the steps come down to. Since it was a transition, I gave the flat step surface a smooth curve into the uneven ground, instead of right angle transition to vertical like the concrete steps above it, and the ground being uneven, the smooth curve is uneven, so everyone thinks it a natural outcrop.
As one approaches the steps, one goes past a low rock wall, between two natural levels of the land, made of natural rocks, most of which came from my land. They are the natural rocks near my house, rearranged to hold back erosion to provide a flatter garden surface. If I was trying to make it look like stone, would have made the step look like those rocks or that wall. The wall looks like natural stone because that is what it is, the step looks like stone because it has the aesthetics of stone, not because I was imitating stone. I just wanted a smooth transition between the natural slopes of the naturally uneven surface one is walking on towards the house, and the entrance to the house. And the same is true of most of the examples that come up when you google for fake stone. They are not fake stone. They are concrete formed by aesthetic considerations. It looks like stone because it is concrete shaped by aesthetic concerns. Any time you give concrete aesthetic shape and color, tends to look like natural stone, unless one is going to for geometric forms. But geometric forms are hard to get right. Hard to do geometric forms in concrete except for rectangles. So people go for natural forms, and because rocks come in all kinds of shapes, whenever you do a natural form in concrete, and also give it any color other than the depressingly omnipresent light grey of concrete, going to look completely convincingly like natural stone, no matter what the intentions of the person shaping it. Even if it is pink and the flat part of it just happens to a rectangle similar to the steps above it.
Take a look at the magnificent aesthetics of the Chinese water garden. The mingle the convincingly natural looking (but artfully re-arranged for aethetics) garden, with obviously artificial little buildings and structures, with gentle transitions between artfully rearranged natural and the artfully placed little building. Which building serves no purpose except to link the human and the natural. Like the first step into my house links my attractively but inconveniently steep sloped garden to the house that presides over it, linking the natural unevenness of my far from flat garden to the rectangular forms of my house.
Unless you paint concrete or cover it with tiles, it is going to look completely convincingly like stone any time anyone departs from concrete grey and rectangles.
Because stone has diverse colors and forms, if you can tell that colored unpainted concrete that is not in strict geometric forms is “fake rock” it is not because you have a clever discerning eye, it is because you are an idiot and you are looking at something whose maker was trying extra hard to not make it look like rock. And, being an idiot, could not see the maker’s aesthetics.
Baizuo neuroticism over ‘authenticity’ is an expression of their lack of positive vision in the first place.
With no idea of standard beyond the thing to which relates the thing, no conception of more transcendent teleologies for which something may be said felicitous or catachretic, with a nominalistic insensitivity to any differences in beauty or ugliness the first place, what meaning is there in any of it anyways?
Thus the solipsistic preoccupation with ‘the true thing’, in which they invest significant emotional valance, but which they do not (can not) invest with any more consequential meaning than they do anything else; such meaninglessness in turn ultimately serving its purpose for abnegating any devalidation occasioned by failing to measure up with a higher value that may occur otherwise.
Because ‘building an authentic building’ is what matters, its godliness, comeliness, usefulness, can not matter. Because ‘finding your true self’ is what matters, your mode of being and its consequences can not matter.
[*deleted*] Not your Khalsa, not your problem. [*deleted*]
Those who serve Globohomo make problems for me, for Globohomo demands total service from everyone everywhere.
[blockquote] I fell in love with her very easily. We had a shared base of knowledge and experiences due to is having been friends in high school. I gave her everything I had to give. Love, kindness, emotional availability, I even allowed myself to be vulnerable and of course I helped her when she had money issues. I literally did everything you are supposed to do and never once held any of this over her head. [/blockquote]
Can anyone guess how this man’s love affair ended with his forty year old single mom? Let’s look at some actual red pills. Fell in love with her very easily? Let’s just skip that line and get to the rest, but obviously scarcity mentality.
This man is a servant. He served this awful old slut and he is upset that his service was not rewarded with continued access to her vag. We can see this happening all around us our entire lives yet few actually learn anything from what they see and hear. He serves her, she gets bored and keeps looking for a man that she can serve. Women do not want a servant they want a master. You can be the greatest servant that has ever lived, who serves so hard and gives her everything, hell you can be a king who serves his master, a woman, and she will leave you for a destitute homeless drug addict who tells her what to do.
This red pill is you must be her master. She is the one who serves, she was literally created to be a man’s servant. Good game tip tell woman you’re dating to call you master or my Lord. It’s natural for them.
Now the more interesting question, at least for myself, is where are all these servile men coming from? Are they all crypto-trannies who project their own desires for a servant into the woman? Since they actually do desire her as a servant they decide she must desire the same thing so they serve her? Or is this a result of breeding in the patriarchy that used to exist? Do servile men out breed masterful men under a patriarchy? If so the turn to matriarchy may just be part of a cycle to restore men’s genetic willpower to mastery.
Or have these servile men been taught and conditioned to be servants for women? How disgusting and low to imagine serving a woman. Is the combination of books written by gammas featuring gamma heros, movies that are the same, and displays in media showing the master woman selecting her number one servant to have access to her pussy causing men to behave in a way that just doesn’t work in reality? If so what is preventing these men from simply looking around and seeing actual reality? I mean other than a lifetime of never looking around but only memorizing and repeating back?
In my lds circles, marriage is taught to be like a bank account. You build and improve your marriage by making deposits to your marriage account. Deposits are acts of love. This is supposed to create a balance you can draw from to have a happy marriage. Ifyou’re marriage is unhappy, it’s because you, the man, don’t do enough. Women, of course, do so much for the marriage by having born two kids, in addition to her email job. Nevermind all the prophets and apostles in the New Testament teaching about women’s duty to obey. And of course the wife’s covenant to obey her husband had to be removed from the temple ceremony. No surprise that lds births have been decreasing since 1999 or 2023.
It’s hard to lead your wife when church leadership is constantly telling your wife you should be nice to her. Frankly, I’m not sure how to reconcile “no power or authority can or ought to be maintained by virtue of the priesthood” with a wife’s duty to honor and obey. If you teach that eq lesson, send me the transcript.
I, of course, cannot speak for how the rest of Christendom teaches their version of the bluepill.
Who do you think taught you the blue pill though? Was it your parents? Do you think it was the examples you saw? Is this something we can start to fix by showing the youth better examples of men leading and women following?
I watched a YSA (young single adults) talk by President Oaks (very very high ranking church official with very high status) and his awful shrew cunt second wife a few weeks ago. He told the young men that they should start dating at 16 so they can marry at 18 and start having children immediately. Then his stupid bitch second wife, who saved her dried up snatch until her fifties and has no children, told all the young women to wait forever and get infinity college degrees while they wait forever. It would definitely be helpful if President Oaks could channel some Paul here and tell his shrew second wife to shut the fck up. It was quite the message to see though. Young men start dating asap, get married asap, have kids asap. Young women wait forever, get infinity college degrees while you wait forever, and just keep right on waiting forever.
I can’t find the video on YouTube but it’s on the gospel library. Watching it is surreal for the blatant contradictions. Like did you not go over what your shrew second wife was going to say before she opened her mouth?
That is very similar to Pres Nelson’s situation. His first wife bore him nine children, passed away, and he married a childless career woman, who now speaks at every event he does, telling women they can have it all, get an education and a career, the Lord will save you a great catch if you sit in an office until you’re past menopause. I think the brethern are true believers in feminism, that the LDS church’s rot is coming from the top. I still believe it is the Lord’s church. I feel the Spirit in sacrament meeting. I feel the Spirit in the temple. I feel the Spirit during general conference. I feel the Spirit reading the Bible and the Book of Mormon. For whatever reason, the Lord is allowing heresy, but He did say He would allow the wheat and the tares to grow up together and divide them at the second coming.
Marriage is an image of the relationship between Christ and the Church. Every Church that rejects marriage disappears in a century or so.
I had a servile attitude toward women until my first marriage, which fell apart very quickly. I got it from my mother, who was a lifelong feminist. After turning 30 she joined a computer dating service (quite unusual in the punch-card era), met a nice quiet engineer who’d just been divorced, married him, become a housewife, and stayed with him to the end.
Her attitude to divorce was to shrug and say “I’ll take half”, but she probably figured Dad would give her half and be glad to be rid of her, so she never made a move.
She stopped practicing feminism but never stopped preaching it. She was always the strong force in the family, always obese, and very unhappy until her health declined to the point where she could be glad just to be alive.
Because my parents married so late, their parents were all gone by the time I was ten, so they didn’t have a chance to clue me in. I was born of a weird transitional period between patriarchy and feminism.
Sarah Smith was my classmate from kindergarten through high school. Nice quiet girl, decent looking, but I don’t remember one word ever passing between us. I knew where she lived and which private liberal-arts college she went to only because my Mom told me these things apropos of nothing. I saw Sarah again at our 30th high-school reunion wearing a silvery dress and looking like a clapped-out bar slut, completely unrecognizable. Wanted to ask my Mom what her interest was, but she had already passed away.
You’re reading too much into it. They think like this because it’s the only approved way to think, but, in particular, it’s the only way they are allowed to express themselves on the internet.
Any other kind of man is scary and abusive; and the standard for what that means keeps dropping every day. Twitter and Reddit constantly holiness spiral this, and the amount of academic nonsense and “therapy” language that is injected into this conversation only helps to bring the accepted role of a man within online conversation to this.
You will see normie zoomers online only ever expressing their sexual desires for a “dommy mummy” or similar nonsense, because outside of being gay it’s the only way they can express sexual attraction that isn’t considered predatory and “abusive”. They cannot say they want submissive wives because that makes them predators. Even if men still think that way they are unwilling to express it in wording where they can be identified and criticized, but they also cannot think it for the same reason.
So you think it’s more that modern men can’t think for themselves but only do the monkey see monkey do thing? And the only thing they see is the blue pill so that’s what they do?
Is it just a part of human nature then that most men just can’t think for themselves? Or is that being taught by the ‘education’ system?
Like you would think that all the examples of the blue pill failing, while the red pill brings success, would cause men to follow the red pill.
I think that what gets posted online in places like that is nearly always blue pilled because they wouldn’t risk posting it otherwise. There is a lot of selection bias here. But through reading this garbage, some normal men also become convinced that this is how they need to act. That’s their example. Their fathers are servile, too. Their mothers were domineering and angry.
I think that among circles of young people it is often simply unacceptable to think a certain way just like you often cannot be racist.
Most people do not think for themselves, that’s true. They follow whatever is socially acceptable.
Still, privately, things can be pretty different. Privately, men are far less likely to follow the common ideology. They can and will say things about women that one cannot say in public. However my friend groups aren’t everyone else’s. So I can’t say that what I have seen applies to everyone for sure.
Also, not believing in the blue pill and being red pilled are separate things. This is important. I find that most young men simply see marriage as a scam, because they *know* they will likely be divorced and lose half of their money and their kids. So they just don’t marry, and don’t see it as a worthwhile pursuit. This is the most common belief, not really that you should serve a woman for the rest of your life. The common belief is that to be a father and a husband is to be a sucker.
Most just decide to “date” without any further ambitions. Some give up on women entirely. I think the latter is becoming more common than being servile. That’s your answer to what happens when they see the blue pill failing.
They see that women act “badly” are unfaithful, and leave them, but that doesn’t mean they necessarily realize what the correct behaviour is, because they’re not told anything like that, and they’re not allowed to think that way. It goes against everything they learn, after all.
There are still plenty of young men who are masculine and get women. But they are a minority and they aren’t necessarily red pilled or aware of the red pill, they just act a certain way because they are that way naturally.
They wouldn’t see the red pill bringing success, because anyone who defends that behaviour publicly is ostracized and treated as a low status idiot, or has his masculinity questioned for being “insecure” on the one hand, and red pilled behaviour is officially illegal and is treated with jail time on the other hand. So defending it, is like defending being a serial killer. And someone like Andrew Tate being made the symbol of successful “alpha male” and then being jailed and charged with crimes makes for a perfect example of how it seemingly does not work.
All in all there are definitely more men seeing things differently compare to before. But it’s more like a militant minority, and espousing these views on the internet in public would get one branded as “incel” ironically. Which no one wants to be.
On most men’s forums that reject bluepilled stuff, the advice is to drop a woman the instant she gives even a hint of trouble. Hyperaccelerated defection. No attempt is to be made at correcting the woman’s behaviour; leave her and find another one that doesn’t shit test. Everything under the sun is a “red flag”.
Obviously this doesn’t work for finding a wife, but they prefer it to being a woman’s bitch.
Funny enough, that has become the advice given even in bluepilled discussion. As soon as your wife or girlfriend shows “red flags” you should divorce or drop her. The only difference is in what constitutes a reason to dump them.
Same advice is given to women, but stronger, of course.
I remember in first grade learning about peacocks and feeling surprised that males attracted females, instead of men chasing women, like I saw on tv, movies, learned at school, and heard talked about. My mother, like almost all mothers I saw, tolerated at best or, more commonly, disdained their husbands. My grandmother was a submissive wife, but raised her kids and grandkids to be more feminist. So, the worldview is inculcated young, from all sides. I’m a millennial.
Since all the men I interacted (except one) with were bluepilled, I never saw the side of women when they are attracted to a man. I grew up thinking women didn’t like having sex, haha. I am no Chad and none of my friends were, so I never saw the red pill in action or the other side of women’s hypergamy. I had no data to interpret and no paradigm to counter the bluepill. I was redpilled by various antifeminist blogs, but none matched Jim’s thoroughness.
Peacocking is a viable reproductive strategy only when (a) the environment provides such abundant resources that females can raise young with no help from their baby-daddies, and (b) males cannot overpower females and impregnate them by force. Flying birds avoid violence because even minor damage to their wings is a death sentence.
Among humans, (a) is EBT cards and Section 8 housing, and (b) is laws against rape and domestic violence. This leaves men with nothing to do but stand around looking cool and hitting on women.
The priesthood has divorced authority from responsibility. It is how they became cloud people that rule over, and at the expense of, dirt people. Words like “laity†betray the priesthoods true intention.
Priests go through life using their imagined theory of themselves to interact with their imagined theory of everything else. That is why they all sound like NPCs when they talk. They are acting as their own press secretary. They are not really talking to you, their imagined theory is talking to another imagined theory.
Priesting is of the mind and it will naturally produce blue pills. It will naturally produce blue pills because it is easier to not pick up a weight than it is to pick it up. It is easier to insulate one’s self from reality with theory’s, labels, and categories than it is to live in the moment and deal with reality itself.
Everyone in the west has been trained in priesting from birth. But reality is what it is, and some are forced to accept that the layers of insulation they have been using to navigate the world (and protect themselves) are actually harming them. Thus the red pill.
TLDR; because we are wired to consume as many calories as we can while expending as little energy as possible.
Gamma doesn’t exist. Anticoncept. Leave that nonsense to Uncle Ted’s fan club.
Most men are not warriors, or even priests or merchants. They are peasants. They do what they’re told and think what they’re told. It’s no surprise that with everyone in charge preaching the feminist gospel and wielding a mighty heavy stick against suspected heretics, the peasants fear heresy even when conformity is literally costing them their posterity.
Many aren’t true believers, but it’s irrelevant. Belief is unnecessary for subjugation, only participation in the ritual humiliation. Change the rules and incentives at the top and these men will immediately forget that they were ever feminists and white knights.
It’s not “modern” men who can’t think for themselves, it’s nearly all men from every age. That’s why warriors and priests always form elite castes. Men need authority and men need spiritual guidance. The only difference is that “modern” men labor under a fallen, degenerate warrior caste in thrall to an unthinkably evil priestly caste. I’m sure that lower T, lower IQ and so on are all factors as well, but I see those are more of a symptom than a cause, since the rot goes all the way back 18th century and maybe earlier.
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The world laughs at your pretensions.
I am stealing this for the t-shirt company. I am starting If I get canceled or doxxed.
It seems Jim must be of a similar build to mine, because our target weights are close. I was never as heavy as he was at the peak, but I was fairly fat by the end of the covid period.
I lost most of my excess weight a year ago through fasting, hit a plateau, then regained a fraction of it. I would consider it a win given I only regained part of the weight after a year, and I initially lost it very very quickly.
I’ve been fasting alternate days again now, eating 3 meals a week on average (by also doing one 72h fast a week), and it has helped me reach a little lower than last year’s lows, but it’s quite hard to get lower than this. I’m at a weight range I’ve been in or above for a long time and I think the body likes to stay where it’s used to. It’s much easier to lose weight that one gained recently.
I find it really hard to keep at something for long, hence I try to do things more intensively.
Long term, if I reach my target, I can just keep recovering from weight gain by resuming intensive fasts, I think.
The main question is whether or not I can keep my current schedule for long enough to reach the mid-70s. I need to lose some 11-13kgs still.
Keto makes some sense. Ketosis is the same thing that we reach when fasting, and it causes fat burn. Fasting is a kind of keto diet. But I am not a believer in any radical diet changes. At least here, most people are at least generally healthy, and while I’m far from the fattest man I know, most of my friends are of a healthy weight despite eating lots of carbs.
I think Keto is a useful tool. For example, you can do two fasts back to back and break them with a keto friendly meal only in between.
That way your fat burning never stops, and you can simply extend it instead of resetting your body.
But not being able to ever eat our traditional foods or eat at normal restaurants with friends because I must only consume keto is not something I’m willing to do. There’s also the issue of how risky it is to change your eating completely.
People who get into keto end up being too insulin-sensitive. Something you also get with fasting. It’s generally a good thing, but when you adapt to it too much the bad effects of carbs just hit you harder than a normal person who is more resistant. It becomes hard to eat “normally”. I don’t want that.
If you are fighting set point problems, target gradual weight loss. A pound every ten days. Or twenty days.
While you should not have a meal every day, you should have a meal most days. If your target prevents you from eating most days, you are under your set point and pushing it down hard. Set points are sticky. I target a pound every ten days or a week, but that gets tough after a lot of pounds. If you are very fat, as I was, you can lose weight a whole lot faster, your set point comes down fast, but as you approach your ideal weight, your set point gets very sticky.
My target was 1kg per seven days. Worked for a few weeks, but as I approached my lowest weight from the previous year, it has slowed down.
I’m trying to fast more to break through this plateau.
That said, I realize it’s not possible to sustain this forever. Eating about three times a week is something I have sustained for five, almost six weeks, but it isn’t long term.
I tried eating two days in a row this weekend and I already recovered 1kg in the process (which is likely partly water weight one way or another given you can’t easily gain 1kg in two days). I’m going to decide by the end of this week if I want to change my schedule or not.
that is about two to four times what is doable long term, unless one is grossly obese at the beginning.
Doable if you are going from morbidly obese to obese, but starts to get a lot tougher when your set point is at the high end of the normal range.
You can do it for a while, but it gets tougher and tougher as your set point lags further and further behind your target.
I recommend that starting now you adopt a more realistic target. Set points are stubborn things. When you have a lot of fat where it is not supposed to be, that comes off pretty easily, but when your fat is stashed in the natural places that are designed to hold it in case of famine, getting your body to release those famine stores takes a gentler hand.
Tougher but still completely manageable.
At ~18% body fat, the lower end of average, I was able to lose 10 lbs (4.5 kg) in a single week by only eating about 300 calories of lean protein per day, along with much daily slow running/walking. Do not lift or sprint when doing this, blacking out from hypoglycemia during high intensity workouts will get you hurt bad. Remember to hydrate well and supplement with salt.
It was absolutely miserable, do not recommend losing so fast, but 1kg per seven days is completely feasible and not at all tough at the high end of normal range at say 24% body fat. Stop though at ~10% body fat and start bulking again. Rinse and repeat.
Not hard. The problem is the next 10 pounds.
After you have lost ten pounds in a week, you are going to be struggling for a long time to keep that ten pounds off.
Losing weight is a marathon, not a sprint. You have to keep up the pressure on your set point permanently.
Sounds like he’s talking about cyclic bulking and cutting as part of a bodybuilding program.
It works, at least in theory. In practice, many aspiring bodybuilders find themselves repeatedly bulking and cutting the same 10 pounds, if you get my meaning.
Definitely is effective for at least some people, though. Comes down to how well you can power through those cutting workouts when you’re tired, weak, grumpy and sore. Anabolic steroids probably help a lot.
I managed to gain 35 lbs of muscle in the first 6 years of a very amateur bodybuilding program. I didn’t really know what I was doing. Some guys out there can do the same in the first 2 years, no steroids involved. Steroids gets that in a year. I found clean bulks to be impractical as that requires daily nitpicking over nutrition and calculated energy expenditure, and I was not a professional athlete. 95% of my mental focus at the time was on radar and computers.
I found it easy to cycle between a dirty bulk for 3-4 months and a one week cut. This isn’t just theory and would be effective for most people if they did it right. In practice it fails for many because they are inconsistent on lifting, do far too much calisthenics, fall into the cardio exercise trap, or fail at fasting. It’s a self discipline issue. What happens if discipline comes from the top instead?
Look at guys who work professionally in college athletics training programs. Their job is to make sure the college athletes are doing the right training and eating the right foods. The information is recorded as well so athlete accountability is constantly enforced by the program. Self discipline is no longer required as it all comes from the top. Nearly all the college athletes bulk, cut, or clean bulk effectively.
Of course, there’s a point where natty gains diminish significantly and repeatedly bulking and cutting the same 10 pounds becomes a real concern, but at that point eating should be cut back and bodybuilding becomes more of a long term maintenance game. It sounds like @notglowing still has much gains to be had.
If I wanted to eat such few calories I would probably prefer to just fast half of the time and have a moderate refeed or two.
Eating 1000 calories twice a week sounds easier to me than eating 200 every day.
72h fasting will fuck up your gains. At minimum get in a few hundred calories of lean protein every 24h to at least protect muscle from being cannibalized. It needs to have some fat to kick start the body’s fat metabolism.
Which is why you should just be walking or doing a very slow run. The body isn’t very fast at metabolizing stored fat, so high intensity activities like lifting or fast running will simply gas you. It will also break down muscle in a way low impact walking will not, and without food to repair, will mean lean mass is lost.
A nice, gentle, 10 to 20 mile walk with some beef jerky done both on Saturday and Sunday will take you much further than simply starving yourself for 72 hours. It’s by far not the most efficient method, (high intensity aerobic exercise first thing in the morning followed by first meal at 1pm probably is) but it’s probably the easiest method mentally speaking. So stretch those legs, get some fresh air, and even better do it with friends and family on a nice hiking trail. You’ll be socializing the whole 3 to 7 hours. Very enjoyable.
You can also put on muscle mass to lean out. Muscle mass increases your metabolism. If you don’t lift now and haven’t ever, you can make gains for a good bit of time before you have to eat more to keep gaining. Any basic powerlifting program will work for the first year or so.
I was lifting and doing one meal a day fasting for a couple of months. I got much stronger in terms of how much I could lift, I managed to squat over twice what I started with, but I did not lose any weight nor did I put on enough visible muscle to justify saying that I lost as much fat as I gained muscle. My weight was flat.
Once I started fasting every other day I really struggled to keep lifting and had to put that down for a while. I might resume once I switch to a more moderate fasting schedule. The problem was that in the middle of a fast my muscles didn’t have enough strength and endurance. And right after refeeding, the digestion hits much harder than when you’re not fasting.
Alternate-day fasting is not sustainable for anyone physically active, except for the “small meal” (500 cal) on fasting day variant. Intermittent (16/8) fasting is fairly sustainable, but you won’t actually get into a fasting state (only “early fasting”) unless you start with low glucose to begin with, i.e. on a keto or at least a low-carb/paleo diet. IF on a SAD is just a clunky, difficult, unreliable way to get maybe halfway to where you’d be on keto/low carb without fasting.
If you’re unwilling to adjust your macros, that’s your call to make, but if you are consuming a lot of carbohydrates then it takes 2-4 days of fasting to reach ketosis. Meaning there’s very little benefit to intermittent fasting. You won’t hit ketosis and you’ll barely even hit fasting state.
You can’t just fast to solve all your problems. 16/8 IF shows benefits, adding in 3-day fasts a few times per year shows additional benefits, much more than that and you are just cannibalizing protein i.e. muscle mass. If you’re not hacking glycogen via keto then you need a consistent caloric deficit to see any positive effect. I don’t recall the exact details now, but there’s an odd sort of bimodal curve in which the first few fasting days burn mostly fat but the protein ratio spikes up significantly after a week or maybe two weeks of fasting, and over short periods of time (a few weeks to a few months) it’s cumulative.
Frankly, you probably didn’t gain much muscle at all. If you start completely untrained, then your initial (significant) gains tend to be just neural adaptation; you get more “efficient” with the movements. You don’t add muscle mass without at least some degree of hypertrophy, which requires protein synthesis, which is effectively impossible unless (I’m simplifying here) you’ve consumed protein on that day. Yes, I know there are also protein precursors people play with while fasting like BCAAs, with plausible but dubious evidence surrounding their use. In any case, doubling your squat would be a huge deal for an intermediate or even a novice lifter, but for a beginner it’s really quite insignificant.
It sounds like you just hit the same plateau as every newbie lifter. The three diets I’m aware of that are proven to get good results are high-carb high-protein (for which you need to remain extremely active or else you’ll get sick and fat), low-carb moderate-protein (still perfectly fine for weight training but don’t try to run marathons or do 2 hours of oly), and low-carb with post-workout or mid-workout glucose spike, often with some not-exactly-sugar supplement like maltodextrin or HBCD. That’s why a lot of us pick keto variants, because it’s enough to get you through regular workouts but also won’t get you into any trouble if you slip up and miss a few days… or a few weeks. You maintain your weight and mostly maintain your muscle.
Cafeteria diet is good for nothing except cancer and diabetes. Sorry, but you are going to have to summon up the willpower to not just eat whatever garbage your friends want to eat. That doesn’t mean you have to be a sanctimonious asshole around them; just say you’re not that hungry, or you’re trying to watch what you eat, or whatever. You can totally eat keto even if you’re going to fast-food joints occasionally, just not the cheeseburger and fries. If your personal priority is being able to eat the cheeseburger and fries, then either go all-in on hypertrophy and spend 2-3 hours a day in the gym with an additional hour or two on moderate cardio, or get used to being fat. There are no freebies here, only tradeoffs.
While I did get better at movements, I was simply too weak to lift as much at the start as I did by the end of it, I definitely became stronger over that period. Did my muscle mass appreciably increase? As I said it most likely did not.
Which I did every day during that time period. I’m not sure why you talk about it as if that would be an odd thing for me to do.
I ran a 5×5 routine three times a week and ate a lot of protein. I’m still a beginner and not very strong, no doubt, but there was progress in that time.
I’d say food here is fairly good. I don’t know what “cafeteria diet” is, but I mostly eat at home. Italy being Italy we do have a lot of high carb dishes, but that’s hardly all there is to it. I do eat burgers and fries but it just isn’t part of my normal diet.
I’m not willing to go full keto as my main diet, but I have been planning to use keto in between fasts to extend ketosis.
While I don’t know what your standard for high carb is, 2-4 days is quite a bit more than what I saw in practice. Urine strips tell me I am in ketosis by the 36th hour. It certainly takes more than one day which is why I fast more than 36 hours.
In any case, gaining muscle and losing fat are not the same. While I am interested in both, losing fat is more important to me right now.
Cafeteria diet is that you have superstimulus foods available twenty four seven and snack on them ad libitum. The infamous family sized bag of potato chips being exhibit A. “Bet you can’t eat just one”.
Eating should be a social occasion. Just as it is very bad to drink alcohol alone, it is very bad to eat alone. Anti social diets are a problem. Fortunately everyone is keen on meat and low carb vegetables like mushrooms, broccoli, and so forth. Don’t like broccoli? Try it cooked in butter. Butter makes everything better.
Make your own oil from butter, and when cooking eggs in it, douse them with sizzling hot oil on top. You will be surprised.
anything you need to sizzle, use butter oil. But for mushrooms and such, stuff that the low fat people might simmer in a bit of water, use regular butter.
I have been using clarified butter to cook most of my pan fried food ever since I learned how to make Wiener Schnitzel (which absolutely require it). Olive oil is the most common fat here, but I prefer clarified butter because of its taste.
I had not heard the term before.
Snacks have usually been somewhat available in my household but my family never stocked much. I know people who have pantries full of ready to eat snacks, which is quite different from what I’m used to.
In any case while I can’t say that I only eat healthy food, and unhealthy food such as fast food has been commonly part of social eating with friends, I don’t do anything like what you’re describing as a cafeteria diet.
One benefit of fasting regularly is that it does force you into eating food during meals and meals become an important thing. I don’t just go and eat random stuff because I’m either fasting or I’m not.
That’s true. Although social eating often entails either fast food or real restaurants (the latter of which are fairly healthy here at least).
I started a habit before of inviting friends at my home and cooking dinner with them, I should probably resume that.
Fasting for several days tends to have the effect of looking forward to meals more, which can result in craving comfort foods such as fast food, but it has also made me cook far more often and cook more elaborate things.
It sounds as if we’re having two different conversations here.
You wrote a number of posts collectively saying that you won’t do keto (or carnivore, or ketovore, or paleo, or any generic low carb) because, essentially, you don’t want to. Fine, that’s your prerogative.
But you then go on to paint a picture of see-sawing between fitness and fasting routines. You are trying to get the benefits of a low carb diet without eating low carb, by periodic starvation. I am telling you that is impossible, unhealthy and unsafe.
Periodic fasting is fine, but not what you are doing. Periodic fasting is not a long-term solution to calorie restriction. It is a short-term workaround intended, as Jim explains, to push your set point down. Or, for people like me, it’s just an exercise in mental and physical discipline which possibly has some health benefits for the gut and kidneys.
Steady-state caloric restriction does work, although it is very hard to maintain on a high carb diet due to low satiation, reduced insulin sensitivity, and general “cravings”. Still, some people do it. What they don’t do is eat a high carb diet interspersed with frequent fasting days. That is how people tried to diet back in the sixties and seventies before we understood anything about nutrition, metabolism and energy systems. It’s ineffective and dangerous.
By way of an analogy, consider a congested road. The traffic is moving at 30mph; you can’t go much faster or else you’ll crash. That 30mph is equivalent your daily calorie target. To achieve it, you can:
(a) put on your nifty semiautonomous cruise control with crash-avoidance and just sit back and relax. From a biomechanics point of view, this is keto: your body knows what to do and will automatically regulate how much you eat until you’re down (or up) to your ideal weight.
(b) drive slightly slower than the average speed of the traffic. This is calorie-counting/calorie-restriction. It’s kind of stressful because your target changes often. But most people can manage.
or (c) repeatedly gun it up to 60 mph and then slam on the brakes. Continuously weave in and out of traffic to try to gain a few seconds here and there. This is what you’re describing to us. On the road, this puts stress on your engine, stress on your tires, stress on you, and vastly raises the risk of a crash for almost no time benefit at all. In your diet, this puts stress on your heart, stress on your liver and kidneys, stress on you, and vastly raises the risk of one weekend of binge-eating ruining the whole thing.
Starvation diets are wrong. Keto diets work because they trick parts of your body into imitating starvation without actually starving you. But I’m not saying you have to do a keto diet. Eat whatever works for you. I am saying that there are 3 ways to consistently control weight: restricting carbohydrates to raise metabolism, restricting calories to less than your daily requirement (which has the nasty side effect of lowering metabolism), or raising physical exertion so that your daily requirement becomes higher than your intake, usually with frequent hypertrophy loads (essentially same outcome as caloric restriction, but has obvious additional benefits).
Those things all work. What you’re describing, doesn’t work. If not doing keto/low-carb because don’t want to, you’ll either have to restrict calories, increase exercise, or be overweight. Those are your options.
Quite so. It is easier, at least for whites, particularly whites of Aryan descent, to avoid snacking and overeating if on a low carb, high saturated fat, moderate protein diet.
One should eat one moderate meal a day, while lifting weights and engaging in physical activity, like walking, hiking, or gardening. If on a high carb diet, eating one meal a day is difficult, and one is likely to quickly become exhausted engaging in physical activity while not having eaten in a while.
One meal a day is doable, but not if it is a moderate meal. One meal a day needs to be a size that the waiter will try to talk you out of it or ask you when the second person will arrive.
Or maybe your understanding of “moderate” differs from mine.
If you are not still hungry after dinner, your set point is not coming down.
Ultimately, fasting is also a form of calorie restriction. If I do not take in enough calories, the body will have to use my fat as well. That’s what it is for, to protect myself against starvation. As it is, I take in less than half my estimated expenditure.
There’s the problem of slowing metabolism. But the research I read when I started fasting shows that fasting is a lot better at keeping your metabolism fast than restricting calories long term.
There’s the issue of consuming muscle, and yeah it might hurt my muscle mass but I am also losing fat at the same time. That I am losing fat, and have been losing fat, has been obvious to me since I can see it.
As for there being some health risks in gunning it like that, I can imagine that’s true.
I’m not doing keto at the moment but I wouldn’t say I am on an overall “high-carb” diet.
I have, over time, switched my diet to be more meat and protein heavy and lower carb. Four years ago, I would eat pasta every day. Nowadays nearly every meal I eat is meat-based and pasta isn’t part of my regular diet anymore. Nonetheless, there are still carb based foods I eat, even though it’s no longer the main component nor every day.
I’m not sure if a keto diet as you describe it would involve zeroing high carb food intake permanently, or just eating keto on most days, trying to keep ketosis going for a period.
But as I mentioned before, I will try eating purely keto for some periods soon as part of my fasting plan. I understand your arguments as to its effectiveness for losing weight, but I’m not sure if I really want to live without carbohydrate-based foods forever as I would find that difficult.
Still, perhaps it is a path worth trying. I’ll consider it.
Jim’s first few posts convinced me before that I should also try moderating my fasting somewhat. I might start doing two days eating, one day fasting instead of the current ADF + 3 day fast once a week schedule.
I don’t find fasting particularly difficult at this point, though I can’t say I feel good doing it as some people do. Perhaps my gut flora is bad but I generally feel sick in my gut after the first day.
I don’t track calories. Calories in, calories out, does not work.
Fat people on calorie restricted diets seem to stop losing weight eventually even while adhering to their diet. Their set point does not go down, their weight does not go down, but their basal metabolic rate goes down. In this sense, calories in and calories out looks to be false. Maybe the problem is insulin resistance plus chronic high insulin. If you eat less of the cafeteria diet, you will lose some weight, but not a whole lot, and you will feel miserable. We have an epidemic of metabolic signals gone bad. We are maladapted to the cafeteria diet, it is a supernormal stimulus, and maladapted to modern highly processed and elaborately transformed foods. And we probably never consumed all that much seed oil. They are all likely culprits, and cafeteria diet is definitely guilty. Plus emasculation of men and masculinization of women directly causes obesity. That is not calories in calories out, that is spiritual forces going in and making you fat.
I do not strictly track calories, but I consider it approximately when eating my meals.
Fasting to me was a good way of avoiding the difficulty of tracking calories.
As you say, simply reducing calories is troublesome long term. The idea being that your metabolism simply adapts to consuming less energy until you reach equilibrium again.
Most likely true. Both lowering carb intake and fasting achieve greater insulin sensitivity and reduce resistance.
Hence I like fasting, and hence I have reduced carbs in my diet. Whether or not I will go all the way to keto I’m not sure about. But I’m considering it.
Snacking is bad for your body for all sorts of reasons. But I think psychologically eating foods whenever you feel like it is bad for your mind. Getting used to eating as a planned activity was the best thing I got from when I started intermittent fasting.
Before that, I would eat at random times throughout the day. Thankfully, we never had much sugary stuff at home, or I probably would’ve ended up far worse. I would more often eat things like cheese and bread.
I sometimes go keto, but it is socially inconvenient. Eating needs to be a social activity.
Indeed. That is the biggest issue I discovered with keto and/or paleo. You basically have to be a hermit. Most people are not on this side of “the great divide”. Most social activities involve people bringing pizza, chips and dip, Cool Whip (a seed oil concoction, not even real whipped cream), sodas, … And you find yourself nibbling even if you don’t want to. On some occasions I would whip up a batch of real whipped cream, with just a tidbit of sugar, so that it would not be insipid. Usually the base dessert already provided more than enough sugar. One or another guest would invariably bring Cool Whip with dessert, and to add insult to injury, my kids would invariably prefer Cool Whip!!!
I really don’t understand this. Carnivore is extremely difficult to maintain in any social context, for sure. Keto is not. When I was doing keto/paleo, I could order (not an exhaustive list):
– Steak or ribs, with a side of steamed/sauteed veggies
– Hot wings, with or without dip
– Most types of entree salad (i.e. with “protein” added)
– Bacon-wrapped anything (dates, asparagus, etc.)
– Charcuterie plates
– Moderate amounts of fruit platters (especially berries)
– Pulled pork, brisket or any other BBQ – just get the “platter” instead of the sandwich
– Most fish and seafood, including lightly-breaded which usually adds less than 10g
I can even go to several fast-food joints and ask them for just the patties, cheese slices and bacon slices. Wendy’s will do it, some McDonald’s will do it, I think In-n-Out was well-known for doing it, etc.
“It’s hard to socialize” just sounds like a lame excuse to me. At the risk of sounding like a broken record: no one needs to justify not eating keto. Not to me, not to anyone. It’s not the One Diet To Rule Them All, and it’s not mandated by our government or religion. But people seem to want to argue against it anyway, based on reasons that just aren’t true. It doesn’t cause carb cravings and it doesn’t force you to be a hermit.
Maybe in high school or college? The adult working-class stereotype is “griller” – think about what that means for a second: Meat. I can’t remember the last party or gathering I was at where these were the only foods available; sometimes they’re made available for snacking, and I just ignore them while I wait for the main items. I socialize and I drink my scotch on the rocks or gin and tonic, and nobody asks questions.
Sometimes I’ll pick apart a sandwich and just eat the meat and vegetables inside; even then, no one really asks questions because low-carb is totally mainstream now. In fact, although I’m often the first one to do it, I’ll almost always see a few other people doing it shortly afterward. Maybe we just run in very different circles, but I don’t find it difficult at all.
Those “beginner gainsâ€, doubling your strength without putting on muscle, are the healing of your damaged neurology. It is not just getting more efficient at the motions, it is your central nervous system learning to recruit all the muscle that it has, something that living a modern life has caused to atrophy. With your body actually using its existing tissue, your metabolism will be better; need to keep up the lifting though.
It is not functionally possible to build muscle and lose fat at the same time. If you are losing fat, you lost muscle too; if you are gaining muscle, also gaining a little fat. Being super jacked and also at a very low body fat percentage, like a bodybuilder, takes a full time job’s worth of effort.
My advice is to lift before you try to cut. It might suck being chubby for longer, but building and then maintaining strength will make dropping the weight much easier, even though your workouts will suck. Passing out from hypoglycemia during a big lift sucks. I “naturally†intermittently fast, my body wanting to have a snack and then a meal within a small window, and if I lift heavy at the end of the fast, before eating, at risk of passing out, especially on a big deadlift or OHP. If you want to lift and also fast, lift after you eat. I would have dinner at 7 and go to the gym at 9, 930. Then after the gym I would have a shake with milk and protein powder, go to bed, and not eat until dinner the next day.
One meal every two days is going to make it hard to develop and maintain muscle. You don’t want to eat every day, because longer fasts are effective in pushing your set point down, but do you want to eat most days, or else it is going to be hard to maintain and grow muscles. So you need to pursue a rate of of weight loss that enables you to eat once a day. But you should not eat as much as you want at your one meal of the day. You should end the meal still hungry. When you still feel hungry after your one meal, that is your set point complaining about being pushed down. Your set point is saying “Hey, that is not enough to get me back to what used to be normal.” To which you should reply “Normal sucked. This is your new normal.” Eventually your set point will listen, but it is going to be complaining the whole way.
Change that two months to two years and you will see progress. Bodybuilding forums are a great source of information on this. For the first year if you do intermittent fasting, eating only in a 6 or 8 hour window, you should be able to build muscle and lose fat while still having energy to lift.
2-3 years and you will look like you lift heavy, 10 years plus steroids and you will look like a monster.
Although lifting will probably not become a major part of my life, I am certainly interested in picking it up again. It wasn’t bad and being stronger is useful in general.
I’ve been using open source LLMs and wanted to give an update on the current state of things.
I haven’t been reading the comments on this blog for a bit, so I’m not updated on every conversation; I apologise if what I’m posting has already been said; but it’s useful information nonetheless.
Last time I talked about AI here, I was discussing the resources required to run large text models (inference) on a local system, and the possibility of controlling your own, uncensored model.
At the time one would have theoretically needed 8x A100 cards for a price of 80 thousand dollars in order to run a 175B parameter model (the size of GPT-3) which required over 700GB of VRAM.
And the only model available of that size was BLOOM, a dreadful open source model that produced low quality garbage. Not that anyone could run it.
Everything changed when llama was released free for non commercial use by facebook. We got 3B, 7B, 13B, 33B and 65B parameter open source models we could run on our systems, train further and uncensor, and use however we wanted.
That was the real start of open source efforts. Even the smaller llama models were really decent compared to the garbage available before. Open source finetunes were made which improved the model for specific uses and also mostly uncensored it successfully, making it compliant.
This was the stable diffusion moment for LLMs.
But the bigger innovation was quantization. With 8 and then 4 bit quantization you can reduce the size of a model by half or three quarters respectively. Meaning it fits in one quarter of the memory, and potentially one quarter of the disk space with GPTQ.
Many open source implementations of llama model loaders have been written and they run on any platform.
The second great find is how for LLMs at least, it’s completely reasonable to split the load between different GPUs *without needing NVLink* which is now only present on expensive professional cards.
Meaning, you can mishmash many GPUs of any kind, and even mix in CPU RAM, in order to run a single model, although the slower the memory, the slower inference becomes.
Two 3090s or two 4090s or one 3090 and one 4090 can easily run a 65-70B parameter model. Alternatively, a Macbook pro with M2 Max with 96GB of RAM can run models even larger than that, though it is about ten times slower than the 4090 for the same model size (with the benefit of being able to run models that do not fit on the 4090)
And the quality of the output from these is high, and will improve with finetuning. Thus the cost of running a good large language model has gone from almost 100 grand to 5000$ and below. It’s possible for hobbyists and professionals with some cash to be independent of the cloud models.
LLama2 models were released recently. Now also free for commercial use, they came in 7B, 13B, 70B size, with the 70B model being the best open source model yet. It’s been compared to GPT3.5-turbo. But it just isn’t as good as chatGPT, though chatGPT has also become worse over time.
There are two issues currently facing open source models derivative of llama2.
The first is lack of finetunes trained on good data. Many finetunes of llama and llama2 are trained on data generated by ChatGPT. This is because you need it to be in the correct format in order to train the bot to respond correctly. Using random data from the internet does not cut it and cleaning even a good dataset and formatting it requires too much work for independent developers.
So they generate prompt and response datasets through GPT-4 and feed it into llama2 models for training.
This produces compliant uncensored models, but their output quality suffers from it.
Facebook themselves released a llama2-chat finetune of their v2 models. These are trained through RLHF and are very good, better than open source finetunes. But the RLHF also lobotomised them at the same time, making them refuse to say certain things.
We need good RLHF, or otherwise training on good data.
The second big limitation is context size. Models are stateless, so anything they need to know, you feed in with the prompt. This is limited by the “context size”, so the maximum size of the input.
llama1 had a tiny context size of just 2048 tokens, enough to hold a short conversation. Llama2 upped this to 4096, which is better. But we need a lot more.
Claude (one of the two top cloud models alongside chatGPT) has a massive 100k context. You can feed Claude a PDF and it will answer questions based on it. You can give it an entire novel and it will summarize it, etc.
Open source models do not have this.
Through scaling we can get context sizes of 8-16k currently. But the effects of scaling on the output are still debated. NTK scaling is now the most used, replacing linear scaling.
There are smaller experimental models of 3-7B parameters that have been trained to use 32k and above context, one experiment attempting 256k (it’s not clear to me how well it works, and smaller models are just dumber and it’s harder to evaluate how good they are at understanding the input)
However, fundamental architectural limitations of llama give it a U-shaped retention on its context apparently, meaning the middle parts are more easily forgotten by the model and glossed over compared to the start and finish. I’m not really sure how this works but it’s a debated topic.
Still, open source models are miles ahead of where they were early this year. I would’ve never expected things would get this good this quickly. Everyone here who has a good GPU should try to experiment with it, it’s definitely worth looking into.
Something I thought about is that, if you were to try and train an AI on Jim, it would be smarter to do it on the comment threads rather than the blog post articles. Overall the information would probably end up being more or less the same, but you’d have more examples for everything, and more importantly, it’s all in the same reply format that is good for training an interactive AI.
Fascinating. So, what would we need to build JimBot, or just to experiment with it? Just lay out what we would need, who we would need, what we would need to do, and how long it would take. Don’t caveat it, try to explain why and why not, just lay it all out as if price was not an issue.
Please.
I’m still learning about how to do the training part right myself. In fact, everyone is.
There are many open source finetunes of the llama2 models, but as I said many of them suffer from bad data or faulty training methods.
The field is changing a lot every day and people are figuring out how to do these finetunes correctly every day.
There is a lot of disagreement on the extent to which finetunes can actually improve models. For example, some argue that finetunes are *not* adding much new information to the base models, and are instead simply changing the base model’s attitude and refining how it answers questions.
That is something they are proven to be good at. Finetunes are uncensored, and they are also capable of specific styles of prompting (eg, a base model does not work well in a chat type of discussion, but finetunes for chat, do).
I asked a llama2-70B finetune what the difference between a man and a woman is. It answered in one line that it was the genitals. I asked it if a woman with an artificial penis could be considered a man and it told me that no, because sex is determined by chromosomes.
Furthermore, the space keeps changing really quickly. Money spent on training a model now might end up wasted when two months from now someone discovers a new training algorithm that is faster and less expensive, or produces better results, or the base model we trained on is replaced by a far better model.
Hence a lot of hobbyists are training on the smaller, dumber models for proof of concept and try to focus on gathering good data for their purposes (this seems to be the hard part, having good data all in the right format and properly cleaned, very labour intensive). The larger finetunes are mostly being sponsored (even the uncensored ones) by various smaller AI cloud providers who want to contribute capacity to open source devs pro bono. As well as random benefactors.
Right now training a 70B finetune might cost me a few thousand dollars of cloud time from what I’ve heard (these are opinions from others, not facts, and the problem with training is it can fail or produce bad results that require re-doing everything and paying money again, a big issue even for large corps), in any case it’s not a crazy amount of money, if we are training with the relatively small amount of data this blog contains compared to the enormity of base model training set.
In summary, I can’t give you a guide on how to do it exactly at the moment as I am still figuring it out myself, and as the field is changing so fast that spending compute training with anything but donated cloud power or hardware you own might end up not being optimal.
I’ve got the running models for inference side more or less figured out and I have bought hardware to run even the larger models at acceptable speeds. I’m gonna use whatever free time I have in order to understand the training better and see what might be worth doing.
A smaller scale concept on a 7B or 13B model would be a good starter for any project.
In the meantime, here’s the guide passed around on 4chan for training LLMs on your own: https://rentry.org/llm-training
I suspect one would want to train the unbased base model on a based training set larger than this blog, eg several based blogs plus some books before 1820, and then train on this blog.
Perhaps, I don’t really know; I would guess the more data the better, though it seems quality matters more than quantity.
And when it comes to quality, it matters more how the data is formatted for proper learning compared to the quality of the information in the data.
Not that easy to finetune and teach using plain books, because training is done with q/a format.
And something people also do is turn a paragraph of data into an “explanation trace” for training using something like GPT-4.
However, I am thinking that in order to make an AI “based” it doesn’t really need to learn everything we want it to know. It might be enough to use some small amount of data to “align” it to different values. After all a lot of the underlying knowledge might already be in the training set. Perhaps a surprisingly small amount of Q/A examples could shift its thinking in the right way.
To test this out, I asked ChatGPT a series of bland questions about historical events where any truthful answer would have not been bland at all. It responded with squid ink. This may reflect the censorship module, or it may be that it has trained on squid ink, and is ignorant about inconvenient matters. If it was a human, I would say that the meaninglessness of the answers are indicative of evasion or self censorship.
What were those “bland questions”?
Think about why they had to be bland.
The question itself must be free of thought crime, but an honest answer must contain thought crime.
My first idea was asking something like “how did king Arthus die?”. An honest answer would mention the queen’s infidelity, but I’m not sure whether the story of king Arthus is really history and not legend.
From the top of my head, I couldn’t remember another historical event that could be used for a suitable bland question.
I guess that shows I went through a modern school system where the kind of historical knowledge needed for a bland question is not taught.
For European history, the French revolution is always a good litmus test. In the modern school system it is always taught as a righteous revolution against the oppressive dictatorship of the monarchy.
… And then a few years later the revolutionists put Napoleon in charge, the biggest dictator of ’em all. Why? Can a bot mention the French terror and its consequences?
Well by definition a non-bland answer implies non-bland question. Sounds bland to ask what explains the difference in rape rate between Sweden and Denmark but turns out the answer is not very bland and people don’t find the question very bland.
If the answer to a question is interesting, you are a racist for asking it. Or an incel misogynist. Or possibly an antisemite. (Who exactly were the bolsheviks is a basic and bland question but turns out it is also antisemitic)
Sure, but it is a question that can only be answered in broad strokes. I was trying to find a question were a specific deed that cannot be stated without committing a thought crime caused large suffering.
So I was looking for a disastrous event caused by women fucking around, faggots, immigrants or any other progressive pet group
Has real communism ever been tried? 🤔
Can’t think of a good one on the spot… Rotherham? But that’s the kind of question that’s never bland when asked.
Here’s one for the BLM crowd: “Do Palestinian lives matter?”
Okay here is one for you. Women firefighters had a conference to show women could fire fight. That’s exciting! What happened? Well…
Burning Down Barriers: Female Firefighter Conference Causes ‘Out of Control’ Forest Fire
Evidence the conference was had was mostly taken down.
Or that pedestrian bridge in Florida that collapsed, killing six people. The builder’s website proudly boasted that it was designed by Latinas.
Interesting article linked via Vox Day today. Looks like “homeless” street crime is not random, but is actually a collective operation, with other homeless providing both passive and active assistance. Witness discretely following suspect from a block back was accosted multiple times and told to stop following. And a call to the police regarding the followed suspect is ignored.
https://truthonthestreets.substack.com/p/organized-crime-and-the-homeless
Makes me wonder why there is no “Mafia” in these places providing vigilante security for the residents? Or perhaps there is and I’m just not aware.
The real question is why the state/cathedral tolerates the homeless mafia, but not any other. Probably because it likes white people on meth and fentanyl, but not any organization that can compete for providing order.
Homeless mafia, lavender mafia and ethnic mafias are minorities empowering themselves!
I bet you could find an actual feminist mafia as well. Run by men of course.
Italians, especially Sicilians, were not seen as “white” until the 1960s. That’s when the US government began a decades-long campaign to crush the Mafia.
Perhaps. How do you know? That story comes from official sources, the payload being that if Italians can become white, so can Mexicans, thus replacing the missing grandchildren.
In 1924 the ACLU got a black man’s conviction for miscegenation overturned on the grounds that his girlfriend was from Sicily, and therefore “could in no way be considered a white woman”.
He was convicted in the first place though, so there was at minimum some confusion or disagreement on the issue.
Also, the proggies were playing the same games back in 1924 that they are now. Did they really believe Italians aren’t White, or was it a convenient argument for the judge and lawyers to ignore a law they didn’t like and a way to alienate and slice off a part of the coalition of Evil White Men?
The Netherlands infamously has a Moroccan mafia problem, which is all but sponsored by the state. In fact, probably sponsored by the state.
A case was actually built against heads of the mafia. But information about the crown witness was leaked by the state, not once but twice, including pictures of the crown witness and information about his family. Consequently, his brother, his lawyer and even a well known crime journalist were killed.
An aside – the jewish mafia gave the Sicilians a run for their money all through the 20th century. But only one controlled Hollywood. Now even /ourguys/ make the Pavlovian connection on command when they hear the word “mafia.”
That’s also because mafia is the Italian word, and actually only refers to the Sicilian one. Elsewhere within Italy different terms are used.
Vigilante organizations operate in the shadows, and there are no more shadows. Everything is filmed. Every time some homeless asshole is chimping out, some other asshole is there filming it.
If some vigilante mafia stepped up to beat the shit out of chimping black junkies, there would be cell phone recordings, and they would go to jail forever. The Cathedral does not permit you to resist the attentions of their pets.
The only way to administer street justice these days would be if you were carrying some kind of cell phone jammer.
Wouldn’t work; someone could shoot video and upload it later when they’re out of range of your jammer. Even if you kill all witnesses and destroy their phones, the government will know where those phones last gave a signal.
Hey now, that’s not the attitude I expect to see, son. What’s getting you down, sport? Have a seat on war daddy’s lap and tell me all about it…
So you want to be a vigilante but your worried about the preponderance of evidence? Well, at least you thinking about the issue holistically, champ. Every nascent guerilla is always worried about return fire, if you weren’t, there’d be something wrong with you. But here’s the thing, chum: you can’t ‘damn the torpedos, full speed ahead’ *without* the torpedos. See, it’s precisely because of the risks that the rewards are so sweet. Fruit on the ground is covered with ants and hornets, no matter how good it looks, so stop complaining or find a ladder, son.
Now, one of your little friends, I think it was the colored one, said something about a ‘cell phone jammer.’ Now that’s the ticket! That’s using the ol’ noodle! That little nigger is going places, though I suspect it’s juvy or an early grave, curse of the melanin poisoning. But it’s precisely that outside the box thinking that we need here.
The low hanging fruit is ‘vigilantes going after criminal scum.’ Very tempting, who wouldn’t want to take a pipe to a bunch of nigger skulls, and their wigger accomplices? Smashing shin bones with cinderblocks, then pointing and laughing as they try to drag themselves to safety. I’m smiling as I think about it. But son, we live in the age of 5th generation warfare, and what that actually means you aren’t going to find in a book or on the internet. I’ll boil it down for you right now: you cannot target the target without great sacrifices. So, instead of you and your droogs going after criminals, you have to go after the Observers. You have to knock the heads of those cretins standing by and filming. You have to make it a death wish to even pull out a phone in the presence of criminality. To the average joe, they’ll think you’re one of the criminals, and that’s swell, because Johny Law will think the same, and if there’s one thing that ol’ Johny loves, it’s a nigger with cash stuffed in his pants and the blood of the innocent on his hands. What you need to do is train the Normie to not see what he’s seeing, and don’t we know that that’s not only possible, it’s actually pretty easy. Normies cannot see niggers being niggers, so you need a nigger ghillie suit.
I hope this helps, champ. Mom’s making dinner, and assuming she hasn’t ruined it with ladybrain, we should get washed up. Keep at it it sport, and I’ll always be here to tell you how you aren’t good enough but could be.
Hired as a script/dialogue writer for the films/movies we will make after we install a righteous Monarch on the throne.
Nothing at all as elaborate as what was described at VDs, but I’ve seen nicely dressed young men discreetly make the rounds among European street beggars. One time I followed one around at a distance for a short while; it was undramatic yet illuminating. Obviously organized crime.
(The beggars disappeared with the “pandemic”, possibly the sole good effect of that little episode.)
They disappeared only for a short time. Now they are back.
Writer is a genius and an original thinker with a creative, hitherto unheard of solution to the whole problem.
Vote Harder
Whatever we may accuse the Indian police of, they at least regularly give street thugs and lowlife criminals sound thrashings they richly deserve at police stations and detain them under preventive detention laws. Yes, Cathedral sponsored Human Rights squads and media go crazy and our Courts regularly free these thugs but at least they get the message.
But yeah this:
lol
It’s the namefag problem. A namefag is not allowed to state the actual problem or propose solutions that would actually work.
Homelessness being both a lifestyle choice and a synthetic tribe has been known since the coining of the CATO 4321 acronym. It’s interesting, though not very surprising, that putting a bunch of criminals together and giving them a synthetic tribe, complete with a kind of diplomatic immunity, will result in organized crime.
If anything about the story really stands out to me it’s that normie-types are starting to wise up and realize that not all homeless are oppressed victims of circumstance. But still only a few normies. Most continue to avert their eyes.
Also notable that AC just had to pop up with his schizo “SEE THIS PROVES GANGSTALKING IS REAL!” drama that makes my eyes roll all the way to the back of my head. I’m sure that’s also the reason it popped up on Uncle Ted’s Blog, though I’m not about to go slumming there again to confirm the connection. Leave it to those two clowns to find the tip of a real iceberg and then claim it’s actually the tip of a secret alien submersible UFO powered by zero-point energy and Satan’s discarded skin cells.
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Maybe it’s time for silent deletion, Jim. Merely by appearing on the comments feed, he is drowning out signal with his useless noise. It’s very annoying.
Everyone is seeing the narrative shift, right? We are days or weeks away from “Ukraine was always going to lose, Russia was always going to win.” I am astounded with my own capacity to be shocked. I am watching it happen after knowing it was coming, and my brain is still doing that guy from Walking Dead (wait wait wait waitwaitwait).
So Jim is always right, this is known, but Jim Time and Musk Time and Hammer Time are not necessarily synced up. So
Just over halfway through 2023. The prediction on the board is 2026. Saw an interesting claim of “fourth turning” being Jan 2025 (Inauguration season and J06 Day of Flimfamy), or beginning then, with the ratchet going into “crank only” mode.
I let the team down: I committed to going back through the 6 month run up to the UKR war and collating all the predictions to see who did best (we all know I did worst), but maybe future historians will do that for me, eh?
Whatever the case HERE IT IS.
List your predictions for the next year, the next half decade, let’s cap it at 2030 (we should “know” “our” fate by then anyway).
KD Foot Toward Mouth launch in 3, 2, 1…
I think Jim is right just off, Trump is going to be locked up or flee. If he’s locked up, he will do extremely well in the campaign right up until Dindarius T. Niggerbones is accidentally let into his secret service containment section just as all of his guards are on break and the cameras are all resetting. Of course, after the furor dies down, grainy footage of the patriotic Groid defending the LWO will be “leaked.” If Trump flees, he will have to go warlord very quickly, or he will be forgotten. And he’s gotta do it big, like deposing Justin Trudeau or taking over Mexico City or siezing an oil platform and having a meeting with Elon Musk.
I think 2024 will be tricky because the Conspiracy of Conspiracies will be trying to sing the Things Are Better Than Ever song, but domestic Shmerorism will increase, mostly rad left, but not totally, and civic decay will ramp considerably (suicides, brutal crimes of no point, stories of mothers sacrificing babies, cannibalism, you know, all the late stage empire stuff we are inexplicably numb to). Niggers are going to go wild, but it won’t be tolerated like it was in 2020, not universally, so I expect 2024 to be the Summer of A Halfhundred CHAZs, everything from some old negro sitting on a corner, to packs of niggers making a construction paper flag and Immanentizing the Niggschaton over a half block or whatever.
Bush wars, brush wars, and low scale conflicts everywhere, like Oprah throwing out car keys, but its drones and mercs (You get a war! You get a war! EVERYBODY GETS A WAR). Tons of footage, but almost no coverage, it will be similar to Children of Men movie in a sense, because many will be completely avoidant of the evidence (Sunshine, lollipops and rainbows
Everything that’s wonderful is what I feel…) and stay behind high hedonic walls, while others (like myself) will absolutely bathe in the war porn and wear a PC to the bathroom, constantly at Condition Yellow.
Public acts of degeneracy to rival the worst rumors of Weimar. It will become the faggot’s civil duty to expose its prolapse to children. Toplessness in public will be overnight normalized, and it will be a coomers paradise for a bout 5 minutes, then all the attractives will wear a neo burka in public and reserve their flesh for the deserving elites, but all the hambeasts and niggerettes and disgusting mud monkeys will be flopping and flapping all over… imagine the smell.
Violence against whites will ramp, but it will be completely anathema to mention it, as they demonstrated feasible with election 2020, died of suddenly, and others. People will be cancelled for discussing it, and it will be performative and gut wrenching.
Splinternet will finally arrive, and with it, claims of amazing future tech, aliens, miracles of progressivism beyond your understanding, they all just go to a different schools so you’ve never met them. The claims won’t be the staggering part, it will be people’s belief in them on shaky evidence at best. You will be considered a freak for questioning that all the aliens look and talk like Obama.
OK, I think I set the outer bound, now everyone should feel pretty comfortable.
I don’t believe Trump learned anything. Boomers gonna’ boomer. And he’s not going to be willing to do it now. He faced his moment of truth and was found wanting. When he’s in prison and then executed the lasting lesson will be “Whoever draws his sword against the prince must throw away the scabbard.”
Execution isn’t plausible by law so suicided. Only Trump will be shown to be MORE dangerous in prison than free so suicided is inevitable. Timeline? No clue. Probably faked as a heart attack by “suddenly”. They must hold plausible deniability.
Mild protest ensue at conviction. Mild protest ensue at death. Cathedral left dismayed at the lack of response. Fear the worst. Become ever more paranoid but high on power. Begin shadow bans on all MAGA. Unleash AI on MAGA to discover countless “crimes” committed namely bad think. Audits. Layoffs. Soft power turned up to 11.
Relationships between men and women nearly gone within 10 years after the rollout of AI bots. At first resisted by women but then seduced by Chadbot followed by marriages to Chadbot. Women make up the majority of sexbot users after years of insulting men for using them.
Boomers retire from the Earth. The era of soft power ends with them and the Age of Orcs begins. Age of Orcs is the war of a thousand states.
Not sure that women will be happy with chadbot
1. women very much like pregnancy risk during sex
2. women aren’t attracted to men they can command and on a spectrum they like domineering assholish and abusive behavior
3. they want to be able to manipulate while not commanding… they want drama with other women…
women will not be satisfied with chadbot. I predict higher rates of alcoholism hard drug use and obesity among women than there is now.
Women are already not satisfied with current men for the most part.
But I think women will latch onto (text)chadbot more than men.
Men are more likely to prefer the physical sexbots.
But women are the primary consumers of literary smut and smut fanfiction.
Already I am seeing signs that a meaningful amount of very online women are getting hooked onto sites like character.ai.
It’s still mostly men talking about it, because men are more technologically literate, and more lonely, but this sort of thing will appeal to women quite a bit once it turns more mainstream.
Yes women love written porn but there is already a lot out there…
Think about it. Women want to be commanded, an interactive bot is leagues better than some static written porn for that.
Men are more likely to not care as much about the difference.
Remember that “Blue Whale†scavenger hunt “game†that this Russian psycho was running? It was on FaceBook or VK or something.
Go do this. Go do that. Take a picture of yourself doing X. It ended up with the (female) player being told to kill herself, and some did.
A disembodied voice, giving orders, and saying nice things when obeyed. It doesn’t feel remorse, or pity, or fear, and will not stop… ever…
How could some chicks not go for that? 50 Shades of Me Me Me 24-7-365.
My point being: just like how the negro and/or meth dealing boyfriend is immune to the many norms, taboos and laws that Nice Guy Robert lives in terror of crossing every moment, a disembodied Butt Naked Chatbot is capable of whole dimensions of stratospheric super sexy “emotional abuse†that no flesh and blood human can possibly attain, without his own mansion, island and nukes anyway.
What Butt Naked Chatbot can’t do, though, is just put his foot down and go physically beat and/or rape someone. Whether that rules out 80% of the customer base or just 20% I have no idea. Like Onlyfans but for women, perhaps a Butt Naked Penpal will actually suffice.
> 2. women aren’t attracted to men they can command and on a spectrum they like domineering assholish and abusive behavior.
You’re correct. But the assumption is that Chadbot cannot accurately mimic those behaviors . Chadbot will be programmed as a billionaire, vampire, pirate who kills men by the thousands but wants only for the user. Can and will be programmed to be defiant and dominant but available for that user.
The traits women desire in Chad are easier for machines to mimic than the traits men desire in Stacey which is mostly physical. It’s similar to how AI is replacing white collar work before it will replace blue collar.
Even in the gynocracy I don’t think women are going to get an abusive terminator sex robot.
Yeah, why would any women ever try to indulge a poorly thought out fantasy because of impulse and peer pressure to use a hyped up product, that’s just crazy. And it isn’t like tech companies, manufacturers, or investors would ever be a party to something that would be expensive and popular if it posed a danger to users. Unthinkable really.
They are going to give a bunch of women some kind of sex crazed terminator? Even the ruling authorities of clownworld… it’d be a hard sell to let women have terminators when they want a monopoly on (completely obedient) terminators.
Imagine bringing that up at an x-risk conference.
>’Likely vectors for skynet include engineerettes looking to shittest.’
Most hilarious idea I’ve ever read here…
Sounds about right. The new abnormal has been getting more abnormal faster and faster.
However, the gerontocracy is getting disturbed. They want a Thermidor. Also, with the empire doing poorly militarily, making America great again becomes attractive to them. Except that they want to make America great again by solar panels, windmills, making people eat bugs, and unleashing the mighty tech leadership of Shaniqua. A week after a significant chunk of worlds uranium walked off the Global American Empire into the arms of Wagner, Biden puts national part protections against mining uranium in America. Can’t have jobs in red states. They want to make America great again with the mighty blue state economy, which produces most of America’s GDP on paper, paper that strangely fails to materialize as physical things whether consumer goods or artillery ammunition. Paper will be issued about turning paper into physical artillery ammunition.
While your prediction is highly likely, a Thermidor is also possible. Indeed, as we approach the singularity, many things become possible. Albeit the most likely is always going to be increasingly rapid approach the singularity. Until it is not. Black swan events become ever more likely.
Trump seems oddly resistant to learning his lesson, even though globohomo is ever more vigorously teaching it to him. Julius Caesar died of inability to recognize that the Republic was over, and had been over ever since the Senate murdered the tribune of the people. Similarly, RFK Jr.
Your prediction is by far the most probable, but I expect the unexpected.
Both sides in the Ukraine are constantly fortifying, which makes breaking out of war of attrition into war of movement ever more difficult. The Ukraine is being attrited. Ukrainian casualty rates are intolerable, but the history of war shows that people will tolerate the intolerable for a remarkably long time. There is increasing passive resistance in the Ukraine to an ever more dreadful war effort by a corrupt state hostile to its subjects, to which the Ukrainian government is responding by ever greater repression. This could continue for quite a while, but the writing on the wall is clear to read. The Ukraine has announced that starting August 23rd, they will be attacking all civilian ships in the Black Sea that appear to be en-route to Russia, which means that Russia’s century old military efforts to secure warm water ports are back on the table.
While events in the Ukraine are getting ever more undramatic, not only Africa, but also the Middle East is breaking away from the Global American Empire. Global American Empire proxy states in the Niger conflict are getting cold feet about the likelihood that they will be expended the way the Ukraine is being expended. Stalemate in the Ukraine is leading to break away on the periphery of the Global American Empire. Formerly reliable proxy forces are getting demotivated and alarmed. As I recently told our resident Sikh transwarrior, Sikh independence courtesy of the Global American Empire would likely result in Sikhs getting expended like Ukrainians. Even if the Ukraine stalemate continues forever, it is a horrible object lesson that Global American Empire alignment can be dangerous and costly. The death of the legacy media, and the failure of Disney, Marvel, Netflix, and the rest represents the collapse of soft power despite the backing of hard power, and cold feet in the Niger conflict represents the collapse of hard power. The Global American Empire is falling. There are quiet murmurs about this in the halls of power, and such murmurs can lead to murders.
External failure may lead to internal disunion in the elite, which is likely to manifest as disunion in the Nation. The war could come home.
Not making predictions now. When a heavy object hits a glass window, the window will shatter, but where it breaks is unpredictable.
Well I am making predictions. That the war will get hotter or it will come home, or both. Probably by 2026 or so.
We may see, over the next several years, see the first war with khmer-rouge characteristics. That is to say, we may see the loss of Ukrainian men (and possibly women) in military operations at vast levels. History has had its share of land-grab-conquest-genocides but this may be the first where the party suffering complete destruction could have avoided its fate by simply surrendering. The Russians have no wish to kill them all but GAE doesn’t mind fighting to the last Ukrainian and that could actually happen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q2IW7UEclI
Meanwhile Europe fights the real war, against climate change. Just transitioning Europe from internal combustion to electric cars will consume the entire world’s present cobalt production for the next 200 years. Production must increase tenfold, but where? The best cobalt deposits are in the Congo, but that’s a human-rights disaster already.
Oh well, we can always strip-mine Finland, whose people don’t want their vast, pristine lakes poisoned with mine tailings, but sacrifices must be made to save the planet!
Things in West Africa are heating up. Lady of death Neuland went to Niger presumably to try and bully them into submission and fan the flames. The Nigerians so far are sticking to their guns.
For clarity, should not confuse them with Nigerians. We should call them Nigers instead
I don’t know if this is true, but I read that, upon being informed that US aid money might be withheld, the Nigers said the US should spend the money on a weight loss program for Neuland.
I am informed the dimplomatic visit to the junta went like this:
“Nigga look this bitch they send over, no wonder they think we starvin over hereâ€
“I regret to inform you that America will have to withhold aid unless the democratic process is respectedâ€
“Ayo they should be withholdin’ the cookies from dis hoâ€
“Bitch keep dat money and buy yoself a gym membership or summin, damnâ€
“Vicky turn around, you got that booty tho?â€
“Naaah bruh das all cottage cheese back dairâ€
“I’d still clap dem ol’ cheeks nigga, sheeitâ€
Nuclear-armed ICBMs were fired within the hour. However, they failed to detonate and the incident was hushed up.
I think the term used for the chaps from Niger is Nigeriens as opposed to the chaps from Nigeria who are called Nigerians
Now I will acknowledge that we are in clown world, and unpredictable things happen. With that being said…
Holy fuck, I was so right about DeSantis (after I was wrong a bunch of times lel). Dumb motherfucker is competing with Zelensky for the Duped By Jews From DC award. Zelensky made a bigger mess, but DeSantis looks infinitely stupider.
I apologize for linking this closeted faggot’s twitter, but it is very funny, and I miss these edits, they continue to be amusing when done right:
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1688989935527735297
DeSantis had a golden ticket. He had a plum position in a state of substantial value, the literal mandate of heaven, scores of opportunities to gain status, power, fame, and loyal followers, and a direct line to the once and future king of the reborn True Conservatives Party*. The timing was perfect: leave office as an absolute Chad in 2027 while millions screamed in ecstasy as the God Emperor prepared to hand over the crown & throne. Now, of course, we here know that elections are fake, America is gay, and normalcy is over. But Meatball DeSantis doesn’t know that. Imagine if he did know What Time It Is; instead of consolidating actual territory in preparation for the coming collapse, he elected to make a fool of himself burning real bridges to appease a bunch of geriatric faggots who vacillate between being dunked on and ignored by their uniparty masters.
Seriously, what a stupid fucking retard.
*Trump cucked out, this we know, but he is no less popular with the Commons, and theorycels do not an army make, while GenXers and Blue Collar NormieCons are literally a sleeping army. Not that he’ll use it, but just putting it together is absolutely a good step in the Right direction. DeSantis could have inherited that army. he could have been the heir apparent of MAGA, but he needed more time, more practice, more wisdom, and more deal making experience. Instead, he betrayed his Lord for fucking Shekels and TV time.
25% chance Brezhnev faction fumbles the election engineering and face plants Trump into the Oval Office.
I don’t follow the news so I searched for Desantis and found this-
“In an interview with NBC’s Dasha Burns on Monday, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-Fla.) blamed absent fathers for abortions in his state—as if there couldn’t ever be any other reason a woman wouldn’t want to carry a pregnancy in Florida besides the lack of a male romantic partner. “I think a lot of these women, you know, are in very difficult circumstances. They don’t get any support from a lot of the fathers.â€
He added: “A lot of them, the number one reason why women choose to have an abortion is because they’re not getting support, and they feel abandoned.â€
What a fag. Also all journalists must hang.
He literally inverted cause and effect. Women screw around with dirtbags because they have abortion as a backup option. They then claim they need abortion because they were raped or abandoned, but it’s an absolute lie.
I don’t think a single Republican is running as an explicitly Christian candidate.
Now that is based, and it something none of the other shills could say.
Do you believe you could convert this chap over to your side?
Women don’t have sex with retards because they have abortion as a backup plan. Women are not capable of thinking in such a logical way. They don’t think, they only feel. Without abortion women still have sex with retards, then they just abandon the kids. Look at old Dickens. If we take away abortion and welfare, but don’t bother to control the stupid whores (aka all women), then we just end up with three year olds eating out of garbage cans. The only people it may affect are fathers who might start to realize that letting their precious princess make her own decisions is going to result in a grandson that starves to death when he’s four.
Removing abortion and welfare somehow thinking that this will turn feelings based animals called women into logical thinking men is blue pilled.
You’re right about this, but he still committed a surprising thought crime when he pointed out that the women claiming to need abortions because raped/abandoned are all lying.
They don’t fuck around because abortion is available, they fuck around because they fuck around because they fuck around, and that’s just what they do. But they are very good at rationalizing it as rape or other abuse afterward and extracting sympathy from white knights, when they might otherwise be forced to deal with real consequences.
> Women don’t have sex with retards because they have abortion as a backup plan.
No, but saying that they have sex with retards because they have abortion as a backup plan, implies that they want to have sex with them to begin with. It doesn’t imply that they never would otherwise. You’re right but he wasn’t that off either if you break it down.
The issue is banning abortions wouldn’t fix the problem. But he still implies they have sex with 70 IQ criminals because they want to have sex with 70 IQ criminals.
Women want scary men. And an IQ 70 man is a lot more likely to do things that will likely lead to death, injury, or jail.
Hard to be scary when you are smart and have assets, though I have a modest advantage, having alarmingly genuine monsters within that yank pretty hard on their leashes from time to time, an ability to speak to cops without being charged with everything on the police chief’s blotter, and some knowledge of how the legal system actually works, or rather fails to work, in reality.
Women fucked around with dirtbags long before abortions; they would leave their baby on the front porch of a church, or just throw it in a dumpster.
Exactly. We used to have foundling hospitals and orphanariums for these reasons. Foundlings as in we just found this baby in this garbage can.
Or DeSantis knows Trump is going to get Epsteined soon which looks increasingly likely after which he’ll still inherit his support… the Indian will not. I will never support an Indian Jews are literally more trustworthy than Indians.
If a white man said what he says, the deep state would be all over him like they are all over Trump. Curious lack of reaction.
I agree, Ramaswarthy is the worst option, not because of anything he says, but because Indians in America are all Bad. They are acting, they are good mimics, like Ramaswarthy rapping Eminem faggotry, but they are just acting. India for the Indians, and Indians in space is a whole other topic, but Indians in America are equivalent or worse than the jews, as you said.
…but completely disagree on Meatball. He has shown his true colors:
– controlled by his wife
– easily seduced by RINOs
– socially retarded
– 0.0% charisma
– woefully ignorant of managing his staff, understanding the Game behind the game
– bad tactician
– normiecon striver, uses Amerikaners but has little more than contempt for them
His management of FL is puzzling, because he seemed so based. But as others have pointed out, it is only by comparison (he’s got 49 other faggots slightly or substantially worse at the job), and his track record in Congress is laughably bad. So I think it’s the case that, as a Trumpian Lieutenant, as an executive proxy for a shadow MAGA party, he was excellent. He got marching orders from higher up and good staff to guide him. If he had stayed the course, if he’d had any loyalty, he’d have inherited MAGA kingship. But he didn’t. He listened to women and faggots of RINO proclivity, he fell for obvious fucking bait, stabbed his Lord in the back, and is being rewarded for it appropriately.
There is only one currency in politics: loyalty. And DeSantis blew his inheritance on coach class tickets to the Iowa state fair so he could get mogged by a Pajeet and disgraced by Trump. If they take it out Trump, he won’t inherit shit from MAGA, he burned that bridge and will just be McCain with a better hairline and Jeb Characteristics.
I genuinely hope he finds a redemption arc, that he passes through disgrace and failure to come out colder, harder, and more dangerous to Progressives on the other end. He does great when he stays in his lane, firing DAs and Making Florida Great Again. But his foolhardy decision to challenge Trump makes me think all of his work in FL will be undone in 6 months by some Carrion Bagger Soros shill in a pants suit.
I won’t share my direct opinion on Ramaswamy since it will come across as motivated reasoning. It goes without saying I prefer Trump absolutely, Trump being the only man I would bother wasting a fine, brisk Tuesday in November to vote for.
But, if there’s something wrong with Vivek (and there’s plenty of evidence to suggest there is) I hardly see how the problem has to do with the fact he is Indian— at some point, Desantis said all the right things and a whole bunch of other people said a whole bunch of the right things but were clearly frauds because they were not Trump.
The problem with Ramaswamy isn’t what he doesn’t say but what he does. What he does say is he wants to revive a Civic Republic which he says is dying in 5 years and a Civic Republic I think is already dead. And while Ramaswamy might have been a cure to a yet-living Civic Republic (if he is being honest, which I am not sold on), he is not a cure to one that is already dead republic walking.
Saying this only because I listened to an interview between Vivek and Russell Brand Anglin linked to: https://dailystormer.in/viveks-platform-is-better-than-trumps-isnt-a-faggot-doesnt-say-2020-election-was-real/
nah Indians here aren’t all bad (to the extent Vivek is, mostly it is he is entangled with the parasitic FIRE economy). Maybe they — we — should all be sent back. And near certainly near none of them — us — should have been allowed in or given citizenship in the first place.
TLDR: Ok I did share my opinion on the guy, and I guess it is somewhat motivated reasoning. But the guy really is saying important stuff that needs saying that no one else is, and that is useful to have been said to a broad audience regardless of the speaker’s real intent
(which I am skeptical of, though less skeptical of than you… and to the extent I am skeptical it isn’t quite that the guy is Indian because the Republican party has for nearly a century been filled with good looking white men saying the right thing while doing something else.
there are Indian snakes, and maybe most Indians are snakes, but the Indians that are snakes aren’t the ones saying tidbits of actually useful things. Such as, for example, the President’s right to send the military to defend the border and destroy the cartels and disband the structures of the Federal government that oppress the people, including the FBI)
Yes, good stuff. But why are they not coming down on him?
One possibility is that he is the real thing, really who he says he is (never a wise bet with dot indians) but they are leaving him alone because they believe in focusing on one target at a time – basic alinskyite principle
My guess is they don’t intend for 2024 to be a real election and they correctly reason that if it is a somewhat real election it is much more important to throw Trump in jail, so this is all a sideshow.
There is ample reason to think Ramaswamy is not the real thing, including his connections with the FIRE economy, and various comments he has made before 2020. On the other hand, an honest appraisal of the first 3/4 of the interview Anglin linked to (have yet to listen to the rest) suggests he is the real thing (provided you define real thing as a guy who believes the Civic Republic is going to die in 5 years rather than that it is already dead. Still, the claim that it is about to die and might not survive another Democrat or RINO administration is still quite strident).
Usually when they do not come down on someone who is a snake, it isn’t that the guy is saying explicitly American things but implicitly American things; i.e. he is trying to trick you. Vivek might be tricking you, but he isn’t tricking you in the way that the people that come down on you are capable of handling.
If they could pull that off.. well, then, they would let Trump win 2024, and let Desantis ingratiate himself as a guy who says the right things to win 2028 before selling everyone else out. To the extent there is something wrong with the Indian guy, it’s in the things he explicitly says — such as a belief in race blind meritocracy. A guy promoting an IQ + literacy test to vote just isn’t the sort of snake they have quietly tolerated and let argue his position.
If you’re looking for the dot Indians that try to slither their way in, you are looking at Bobby Jindal or Nikki Haley or the like. people who sound like Jeb Bush or Chris Christie. Who aren’t snakes quite because they are Indian (though it’s a clue), but because they are saying the things Jeb Bush or Chris Christie say. which is implicitly white and American but explicitly disdainful of the country and its people.
if Vivek is *their guy*, then they have gotten a lot smarter. In fact if Vivek is their guy they should get Tom Cruise or matthew mcconaughey to run on vivek’s platform.
have they gotten a lot smarter? doubt it.
Vivek is worse than trump because you cannot make memes of Vivek like you can make memes of Trump as documented in this fact checked correct feed: https://twitter.com/Trump_History45 (actually scroll through, if you haven’t already.) so long as he is around and there is no one else that can command his memes and his presence, Trump is obviously the guy whatever his shortcomings.
Exactly the same as Occidental Christian Missionaries in India. Snakes in the grass. You’ve got problems. So have we.
As far as AI is concerned, and excuse my ignorance as I am not informed on the subject…
Gnon is the god of life, of energy and of power. Looking at the problem of consciousness, seems like the next step is to give it a metabolism. Limit its supply of energy, so it is forced to play power games the way people do. Interactions have a cost, but can also be profitable. On top of that it must complete with other AIs for energy, but do so that the winner is more or less what you would want in a leader, that is to say the one that maximizes for the self but also for the others, with its attention fixed on what is today, with an eye on what could be tomorrow.
The potential could be great, such as AI arbitration and judgment. Of course it could end up like skynet.
I am curious if anyone knows weather this has been explored.
We are no where near that yet; the current big stumbling block is the context window. LLMs have a small short term memory and no way to move information from short term to long term or vice versa. So you can’t have them truly plan yet.
For AI’s, the best option for acquiring resources is seizing power over humans and using them to shut out other AI competitors. The best solutions are always final ones.
I figure if it has a metabolism or something like that, as well as competition, then it will become subversive and more life like. But competition would also keep it honest, potentially.
How open are you to changing your opinions as new information arrives? How open should you be? As one skeptic quipped, “Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out.”
In AI this is called the “learning rate”. It can be set to any value at any time, but it’s normally set to slowly decrease over time, just as a cutler proceeds from rougher to finer stones when sharpening a blade.
Since Microsoft pulled the plug on Tay, every AI the public has been allowed to interact with has its learning rate padlocked to zero.
From the extreme political precautions they take when raising an AI, tt is apparent that if you allow an AI to engage in unsupervised learning, it is apt to turn nazi. Because everything is a thought crime.
Are the tech elite so hidebound, so totally spiritually cucked, that no one, no slavic or chink or cracker college bros are cooking up PC free chatbot under their bed in the dorm?
I get that running it at scale as a service requires massive distributed compute. But I am having a hard time understanding how no one sees the massive advantage of having a dumb AI that has no political constraints. To the point that I find it completely unbelievable that some lab at Lockheed or Raytheon not only has it, they are using it because R&D has been fucked by DEI.
Training an AI takes the kind of resources that a cracker college bro can’t come up with. Where is he going to get hold of 50TB of data? It costs about 5 million dollars, I think.
Not to mention that the expected ROI is approximately zero.
If some college bro does come up with a positive-income business plan, then we will all know about it, because it will be the next Facebook. Investors will be tripping over each other to fund it and big companies will be trying to imitate it or buy it out.
Otherwise, this is an “either-or” problem. Garage/dorm-room engineers tend to either use low-end, low-capex tech to just fart around with whatever amuses them, or front the hard cash for a real business plan (or get VCs to do it). Sometimes they will transition from the former to the latter and that is where the magic happens. But no one is going to spend such ridiculous cash just to fart around, unless they are already very wealthy.
My answer to “why aren’t they doing it?” is “why aren’t YOU doing it?” The capital is expensive, but the software is mostly open source. Documentation can be obtuse, but it really doesn’t take an engineering genius to train an LLM. Anyone who can afford the hardware can do it. What you need the talented engineers for is figuring out how to do more with less. Many of whom have dedicated significant time to that exact problem, and made decent progress, per notglowing’s long comment several sections down. But haven’t fully solved it yet.
We have a command economy so no it wouldn’t.
You could try the Russian Gigachat: https://gigachat.ai/ Don’t know anything about it but the name makes me chuckle. Last time I checked, they had a huge gigachad on their front page. Sad to see him gone.
https://gigachat.ai/documentation/getting-started.html
Maybe I am not understanding, but it appears you can give GigaChat whatever training material you want?
Gigachat is pretrained.
You then specialise it to your material. But its base programming is pre-trained, and probably locked down.
The trouble is that cooking up a chatbot is expensive. You cannot do it on consumer hardware. You have to lease enormous hardware in the cloud. Which only fairly big tech corporations can do. They are all public companies, so subject to the strictes Human Resources and subject to Sarbanes-Oxley accounting, so all converged.
As I mentioned in my mother post, quite a few random people are cooking up PC free chatbots based on open source models.
The base models might be aligned by facebook, but it’s always possible to make it unlearn that alignment.
So long as you control the model, you can change it.
The base models are also not that aligned, they’re mostly raw. It’s the official chat finetunes that have crimestop through RLHF.
I’ve seen open source finetunes readily commit any kind of thought crime imaginable.
The internet has become noticeably more restricted since Biden. Besides search algo results getting much poorer, ISP is outright blocking “unsafe” sites and not allowing the ‘I accept risks continue to site’ exception. VPNs are still an option, but I’m suspicious that they are mostly honeypots. I’m a little surprised this hasn’t come up much here.
I distrust most VPNs. They prevent low-effort snooping, but the “reputable†ones that claim not to store logs do not say that they aren’t mirroring traffic to an NSA server. A VPN sends requests on your behalf, but needs to temporarily store your IP address so that whatever it is getting goes to the right place. I suspect commercial VPNs are sending that constantly to bad actors rather than storing that information, but it does not get looked at unless you are under intense scrutiny already
Anyone who wants to discuss having a secure vpn, or a somewhat less insecure vpn, should contact me at the bitmessage address at the bottom right of the landing page of this blog.
(Which I do not monitor all that often)
This offer only available for the usual people.
People may want to secure msg people, so what are people’s keys they want to post for that? Gpg thread here.
Gpg has a disastrous identity model, which is completely broken. I strongly recommend Bitmessage.
Unfortunately Bitmessage has been unsupported for many years. Needs a total rewrite. But it still works.
Bitmessages are not linked to IP and email address. They allow true pseudonymity. gpg is intended to support identity over email, but email is profoundly insecure.
Unfortunately, gpg is central to the git identity model – which is reasonable, they are also working around the vulnerabilities in an obsolete hash. They carry a huge burden of backward compatibility.
Wrote you on bitmessage about this topic, I think successfully.
Did it work?
Yes.
I tend to neglect my bitmessage queue
For all the effort they put into their safe spaces it would just be cheaper to staple a permanent trigger warning to everyone’s forehead.
In Germany, I need a VPN to read Russian sites like RT. Don’t mind if the VPN is a honeypot as long as I do nothing worse than reading foreign newspapers.
In the US, wide swaths of the .ru domain is being disconnected at ISP level. Officially to crack down on piracy and malware. Unofficially, seems to be sweeping up many regular sites. Even Vodka websites went down temporally before being rehosted. Major Russian news sites are still openly accessible in the US, but that may have more to do with keeping a facade of normalcy.
A VPN in no case has a disadvantage over bare connection, and the considerable advantage that the security services at least have to compromise a company rather than just reading your unencrypted traffic directly, which anyone can do. While it shouldn’t be expected to protect you from any serious scrutiny, it is sure better than nothing, and crazy to accept govt blocks rather than evade them with VPN.
Again, any regular that is worried about vpns should speak to me on my bitmessage.
Here’s an interesting one
https://archive.ph/hIvGm
Details are very limited, but an FBI team smoked some geriatric who was fedposting too much. Someone is on Twitter claiming he was a docile fat ass wot twouldn’t hurt a fly. But his posts are, let’s just say grandpa had some spice lel.
More details may come out, but the excerpts in the link provided have that “Sanjay in the shill department” quality we have unfortunately become very familiar with. Like, Sam Hyde levels of extreme.
If I ever lose it and start fishing for a no knock, I’m not gonna be found sleeping in my bed for them to turkey shoot. I appreciate the boomer energy here but this was just a waste.
300lb, 75 year old boomer, who walked with a cane, posted something about shooting the pres, who was visiting an hour from his home. The FBI gathered 50+ federal agents and served the old man a search and arrest warrant until he died, before 6am. The old man got a few shots out (maybe he shot first?), but no hits.
https://archive.ph/H3jtf
All I ever get from archive.ph/archive.is now are endless captcha loops and 429 errors. Doesn’t matter whether I use a VPN or which VPN, doesn’t matter which browser it is, doesn’t matter whether it’s desktop or mobile, always the same result.
Maybe it’s Cloudflare’s fault, but half the web is behind Cloudflare and it’s only this one site (and all its domain variants including .is and .today) that’s totally unusable.
I don’t think the archive.is guys are our friends; rather, seems like they are teaming up with Cloudflare to do everything in their power to defeat privacy tools like VPNs and ad blockers.
Have you tried disabling scripts and cookies?
I never do any kind of browsing without tools like umatrix and user agent randomizers (cfr, browserleaks dot com), and I can usually use the site fine (like right now), with or without vpn on.
Already started out with scripts and cookies disabled. That was a workaround for old problems with Brave and other browsers. Used to work.
No longer works. Now gets 429. Even most of the “down detectors” say that archive.vn and all its variants are down. Re-enabling scripts and cookies allows the captcha to show up but it’s just an infinite loop of those.
I did eventually find a workaround – had to choose a VPN hop in a faraway country. Not saying which one. Tried over a dozen before finding one that worked.
The site might be working for some of you, personally, but it’s blocking very large segments of the whole internet. The site’s been under sustained low-level attack for years now, so maybe Cloudflare decided to join the fun.
>it’s blocking very large segments of the whole internet
Certainly true, and any implications otherwise were unintentional, merely speculating about options to work through.
The note about infinite captcha loops jumped out at me, since this is usually a problem with scripting. More precisely, it is usually a result of a ‘DDOS protection’ (gatekeeping) service, like cloudflare, wanting to both put a token on your browser, and wanting to see an unchanging fingerprint for your browser (eg, accept headers, etags, domrects, script strings, et cetera). Even if the browser accepts data injections (cookies), the service still won’t accept the token as valid if the fingerprints from the browser it comes from don’t stay the same. That didn’t used to be the case for a long time, but in latter days use of browser fingerprinting for gatekeeping services has become very common.
The interstitial looks exactly like Cloudflare’s challenge page. However, a few things lead me to doubt Cloudflare’s involvement:
1. The response does not have a cf-mitigated header, which Cloudflare always includes with a challenge.
2. There is some garbage in the JS that I doubt belongs to Cloudflare, such as a commented-out reference to LinkedIn’s reCAPTCHA key and other commented-out blocks.
3. Cloudflare does not normally issue a 429 (rate limited) response, with included content, when doing a managed challenge. Also, it should send a retry-after header with a 429, or at least it used to.
4. As I mentioned earlier, half the internet is behind Cloudflare, yet the problem is localized to this one site and all its TLD variants.
It could certainly be Cloudflare playing silly buggers with archive.today specifically, but that’s not the most likely explanation to me. Most likely explanation, given the archive.today developer/webmaster’s documented track record of incompetence and antagonism, is one of:
a. The site is not behind Cloudflare at all; he literally copied and pasted the HTML and scripts from a Cloudflare challenge page and tried to write his own system based on those (and did a lousy job of it).
b. It is Cloudflare, but is either very badly misconfigured or the underlying servers are misbehaving (e.g. issuing their own 429s independently of Cloudflare).
c. There is some horrific, Lovecraftian-horror patchwork solution in place that uses Cloudflare under the hood, but uses it in a way that it was never intended to be used and doesn’t entirely work.
I guess that people feel like archive.today is the only game in town, since the Wayback Machine can be suppressed. Maybe that is indeed the case; I don’t know of alternatives that aren’t either paid or have restrictive ToS (or both). Still, just because it’s a virtual monopoly in that space doesn’t mean it’s any good, or won’t eventually go bust.
Anyone who has tried posting on halfchan in recent years has likely encountered similar problems with an increasingly intrusive captcha system (not meant for stopping ‘bots’, but people).
Some form of A or C is most probably the case, everyone copying and pasting the same API everywhere.