Real men eat red meat

The left wants you to be fat, ugly, and sick. Which is why all the official advice on diet and dieting is designed to make you fat and emasculated.

This is a continuation of my articles on keeping a healthy weight.

The left wants you fat, ugly, and sick, because they are spiteful and ugly, so they want everyone and everything ugly. Compare the Trump cabinet with the weird looking Biden cabinet. Compare the people who are showing up for Democrat protests with normal people. OK, some of them look OK, but most of them look off. The leftist Rachel Zeigler looks hot, but she has an extraordinarily obnoxious personality. Disney should never have allowed her loose without a script and a handler. Every time she opened her mouth, she caused people to boycott her movies. You would not want to bang her without a ball gag. The reason she hates everyone is that everyone hates her.

Recapping briefly the diet advice given repeatedly in the past posts: Keto works great, but is socially unsustainable unless you are a hermit, or unless husband and wife go on it together. Paleo works great, and is a lot easier, but the biggest thing is no snacking. Eat only within a six to eight hour window, with sixteen or eighteen hour fasts between eating windows. Drink lots of zero calorie fluids, get plenty of electrolytes (salted coffee). Stay off zero calorie artificially sweetened drinks — they will not only make you sick, but by causing insulin resistance mess up your hormones and make you fat. Every now and then, do a forty hour or sixty hour fast, but not very often.

But this post is about meat. Red meat.

I love eggs, chicken, and pork, but it contains too much omega six polyunsaturated fats. So though I eat quite a lot of eggs and stuff, I try to get the great majority of my protein from red meat. Eggs have may have too much omega six unsaturated fats, but they are good source of healthy fats, such as cholesterol, from which your body makes testosterone, which is why the medical profession hates cholesterol so much.

When you break your fast, chances are there are a lot of snacks in your fridge. If you are on the paleo diet, these are low carb, high saturated fat foods, like cheese and boiled eggs. But when you are breaking your fast, your body wants protein, and you are likely to keep on eating until you have eaten about one gram of protein per kilogram of body weight, which is roughly four grams of meat per kilogram of body weight, at least you are likely to if you have substantial Aryan ancestry — Asians and people of Mediterranean origin seem to get by fine on substantially less protein, but people with substantially Aryan ancestry are apt to go on eating till they get sufficient protein.

So, to reduce the risk of pigging out when breaking your fast, start off with a good solid slab of meat. Preferably red meat.

And get the bulk of your calories from saturated fat. I make my own dewatered butter. and fry mushrooms, eggs, and suchlike in it. Lots of butters, so that everything is thoroughly sloshed with butter. I eat a lot of cheese, and did I mention I anoint everything, particular eggs, with lots and lots of butter. Well, I will mention it again. Also, I eat my fruit with lots of home made high fat unsweetened yoghurt, made from cream and milk.

When I tried the calories in calories out diets, I lost five to fifteen pounds, my metabolism slowed, I would eat less and less and get fat again, and fatter. On this diet dropped almost a hundred pounds. I reached a healthy weight, and have remained at a healthy weight for many years.

375 comments Real men eat red meat

The Cominator says:

What do you recommend if you really really really don’t like the taste of red meat?

Neurotoxin says:

Therapy and medications.

Seriously, you don’t like the taste of red meat? Try a flank steak, cooked medium to medium rare. It doesn’t really need any seasoning other than salt. And not much of that.

Oskar says:

Even better, if you have access to grass fed beef, try it uncooked, cut thinly against the grain.

Fidelis says:

Low fat cuts of chicken and pork, with lots of saturated fat added back.

Fry in clarified butter, lots of it, and particularly vegetables, as they help deliver it to you off your plate. Make sauces with so much butter the sauce breaks. Add heavy cream to everything. A good snack is refridgerated sliced chicken breast with cream cheese and fresh chives, vinegar based hot sauce to taste.

Get one of those pork half loins they sell at all the big grocers in Florida, slow cook it until it falls apart when you look at it with a fork in your hand. Use the juices to make a sauce, I make a brown gravy with flour and lots of butter if I expect to feed others, but if its just me I use beef gelatin and egg yolks to thicken, cook yolks until viscous over top of boiling water then mix in, maybe add some heavy cream.

Unless you’re doing a lot of high intensity exercise, usually better to have low starch high fat. If you’re doing high fat, saturated fat is necessary. I like coconut oil and cream, but only on occasion. Dairy fats are cheap, plentiful, digest very well for most people, even lactose intolerant do okay.

The Cominator says:

I can do chicken and certainly milk (would be interested for Jim’s recommenation of skim vs whole milk or 2 %etc) pork is red meat and I don’t like it.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

No one should go anywhere near skim milk. Either drink whole milk or don’t drink milk at all.

Even whole milk is far too low in fat compared to heavy cream or even half-and-half cream, but you can’t really “drink” those, only make sauces and bases (or yogurt) with them.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Can confirm that half and half is totally drinkable.

Varna says:

If someone wants to puke from fish, or asparagus, or what have you, there is no need to force oneself to consume fish or asparagus. The same goes for “red meat”. All things being equal it can be very good for you, but when it makes you puke it is obviously only good as preparation for filming some German porn.

If you mimic what’s good about red meat from a combination of different sources – super.
Continental Europe is for example more of pork country, and sausage/ham/schnitzel country. Russians traditionally eat dumplings and salami and sausages. In theory, a valid vegetarian diet can also be constructed, but one needs to actually keep to its elements.

Fat dairy products vs skimmed dairy. If one is doing a week or fortnight cleanse of the pancreas then skimmed dairy is your friend. The rest of the time fat dairy is your friend. Especially if you’re fat adapted.

What is “fat adapted metabolism”. The body gets its energy either from a) sugar and carbs or b) from fat. Sugar and carbs give easier, faster energy, and the body instantly “forgets” how to turn fat into energy, preferring the path of least resistance.

Sugar and carb energy has two main negatives, tooth rot aside: 1) it produces insulin spikes and then crashes, which gradually screws over the endocrine system, and 2) it hits the liver like alcohol, producing non-alcoholic fatty liver disease.

To get the body off this energy, it needs to re-learn how to turn fat into energy, which generally takes about three days of no sugar and carbs. The body protests, it pretends that it’s the end of the world, OMG I’m starving, then suddenly remembers its original power level and starts turning fat into energy again. No insulin spikes, no fatty liver, no diabetes type 2 etc, back to normal functioning.

However. Fat eaten gets turned to energy if the metabolism is fat-adapted. If it’s still sugar/carb-adapted instead, then the fat, instead of being turned into energy, gets turned into artery-clogger.

In other words, if it’s a low sugar, low carb, high fat diet, it’s healthy. If it’s a high sugar, high carb, high fat diet, it can be pretty lethal. In a sense dietician Shlomo isn’t lying per se when saying “if you eat lots of eggs and bacon it’s bad for you”, what he isn’t saying is “but only if it regularly interacts with everything else I recommend”.

Modest amounts of sugar and carbs, when ingested, are best mixed with fat/protein/fiber. A spoon of jam by itself is an insulin spike, if placed on toast is a sugar-carb combo, but if placed into real yoghurt, it gets “slowed down” in digestion and does not produce such a huge sugar spike.
The more fat, protein, and fiber in a sandwich, the less of a sugar spike the bread produces. It still adds to the pressure on the liver, but at least has less immediate impact on blood sugar.

A slice of bread by itself is a carb-bomb, but if it’s drowning in butter and cheese and tuna – it is smothered by fat and protein and again the insulin spike diminishes. Long-term effect on the liver still kind of like you just had a shot of tequila, but the immediate endocrine disruption is lessened.

Animal protein and to a lesser extent plant protein builds the body. Fat gives “clean energy” when not mixed with regular high doses of sugar and carbs. If mixed, turns into dirty sludgy energy. Fiber is important for gut health and making good German porn. Modest amounts of complex carbs (pasta, potato, veggies) is mostly fine. Simple carbs (bread, bakery stuff, snacks) should be a special treat once in a blue testicle.

Again, if one is doing a pancreas or other inner filter cleanse, then small portions of bland pasta with some olive oil is what the doctor ordered. But for like a week or two at most. As a regular part of one’s diet, it should be a) not a daily occurrence, and b) smothered in fat, protein, and fiber, to muffle the insulin spike.

Sugars and carbs should be a) taken in modest amounts, and b) smothered in fat/protein/fiber.
Read meat, when cooked well and from a good source, is amazing. But it’s OK to not stuff it down one’s throat unless very well paid by Japanese porn producers. Other foods do exist, just maybe making life a bit more complicated.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Continental Europe is for example more of pork country, and sausage/ham/schnitzel country. Russians traditionally eat dumplings and salami and sausages.

These are all examples of red meat, unless you mean chicken sausages.

Constructing a vegan diet that tries to mimic the nutritional profile of pork, beef or other red meat sounds like an exercise in futility, and probably a category error since vegans don’t care about nutrition anyway. It is perhaps more feasible for the “lacto-ovo vegetarian” who eats fish, eggs and dairy but just not flesh, although I’ve never understood that to even be a real diet as opposed to an extra-cheap and horribly outdated form of prog virtue signaling. Maybe the Hindoos do something like that but who cares.

You can get reasonably close to the macros of ruminant meat with poultry if you are very choosy about which parts to eat, but the aminos will still be wrong, and it will probably lower testosterone relative to the genuine article.

Jim says:

The important thing is a metabolism adapted to deriving energy from fat — and to train one’s metabolism to derive energy from fat, you have to regularly stress it with long periods of very low, or zero, carbs.

If your metabolism has forgotten how to run on nothing by fat and protein, it is out of shape.

A strictly keto diet is socially difficult, also boring. But your diet should be paleo enough that some of the time you are in keto.

Mossadnik says:

You can ask one of the whore to let you practice cunnilinngus – that way your mind will learn to associate the texture of beef with the aroma of fish. Problem: solved.

Mossadnik says:

For a slightly more serious answer than the previous shitpost, do you dig lemon? If you do, just drench the red meat in lemon until you can only taste the latter, and there ya have it.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

In my experience, the relatively few guys who claim to not actually like red meat are those who either aren’t clear on what red meat actually is, or have had a string of bad experiences involving red meat that is too lean, overcooked, and/or simply prepared in a way that is inappropriate for the cut.

To the first possibility, and contra what Jim seemed to imply in the original post, pork is red meat. Yes, the pork producers ran a very silly “the other white meat” marketing campaign 50+ years ago, back when America was hitting Peak Retard over red meat and saturated fat. It is true that over those 50+ years, hogs have been bred to be leaner, far too lean in fact, so that what’s labelled as a “pork chop” is a lot like a boneless skinless chicken breast, macro-wise. But if it comes from a good hog, typically labeled as “Heritage Pork” by specialty producers, then a pork chop can be equal to a lamb chop or a mid-range beef steak, and even when restricted to modern ultra-lean hogs, bacon and sausages and spare ribs and back ribs are all delicious and are all very much “red meat”.

There is some (not very conclusive) evidence that pork fat can be more estrogenic and/or carcinogenic than beef or lamb fat over a long period of time. However, this needs to be taken in context; it is still far less estrogenic than grains, and far less carcinogenic than seed oils. So if you like bacon and BBQ ribs, then you like red meat. Work with that. Fry your eggs in bacon fat and your veggies in lard. Just don’t eat the “healthy” sides like cole slaw at BBQ joints unless you can verify that they aren’t full of sugar.

To the second point, some might develop an aversion to red meat out of bad experiences, similar to how kids think they hate vegetables because Mom can’t cook and tries to feed them awful things like boiled celery or those disgusting canned green beans and string beans. Overcooked steak is probably the most common ailment; inexperienced or incompetent cooks treat it like a chicken breast and try to cook all the juice and color out of it, but pathogens are only ever found on the surface of a steak, and while most people I know prefer the texture of at least medium-rare doneness, the fact is that no “internal temperature” whatsoever is required, you only need to sear the outside.

Improper cooking methods, or improper choice of cut, can also be a problem. A beef roast needs to be roasted and it needs to be roasted slowly (or at high pressure). Trying to speed up the process with higher temperatures will give you results that are dry, chewy and barely edible. Many types of steak aren’t really good for grilling, either; Fidelis suggested flank steak for some reason but I’d definitely put that in the “don’t grill” category. If your #1 priority is taste and you don’t care about macros, then try a Filet Mignon. If macros are important, go Ribeye or Porterhouse.

If you are trying to get into steak, then my advice for an inexperienced cook would be to not attempt this on your own immediately, and instead go to a good steakhouse (Longhorn is my favorite when I’m on the road, and I know they are in your state, but Outback and Texas Roadhouse are also fair choices) and get either a filet or a ribeye and make sure to request medium rare. Do not ask for well done, do not even ask for medium, that is what leads to people thinking they don’t like steak. Once you have at least tried the above, then you can make adjustments for doneness based on personal preference. And then once you know what you actually like, you can start to prepare it for yourself.

Or, if you simply can’t deal with steak, and there are maybe 1 in 100 men who can’t, then there are endless things you can do with burger patties. Almost everyone adds cheese and you can experiment with the different kinds of cheese, and other veggies/condiments. Though I’d suggest learning to cut down on the sugary ketchup and/or BBQ sauce, or substituting paleo/sugar-free versions.

There are a zillion gourmet burger and craft burger joints near every major population hub, and they are all pretentious and overpriced, but visiting them once in a while is a good way to experiment with different flavors and figure out what (for you) works well together and works well on a burger. One of the most important things with burgers, though, is again to make sure it is not too lean. “Lean” ground beef is 80% lean and that is “normal/OK” for burgers. “Medium” is about 70% lean and that is better. You may have had experience with burgers made from “extra lean” chuck, which can be up to 93-95% lean and is basically shoe leather. Again, this trend came out of the anti-fat disaster of the 1970s and unfortunately, too many moms picked up on it and inflicted it on their kids.

Another point about burgers is that they’re best when made from steer or heifer meat, not cow. This can be hard to find out when eating out (i.e. when not sourcing the meat yourself), but to the best of my knowledge, Five Guys uses such a source, and are pretty well known, or at least used to be well known, for having quality patties.

If you can find a combination of flavors that you love on burgers, then it won’t be too hard to eventually ditch the bun (and “bunless” is a mundane request these days, even at fast food joints in the ass end of nowhere), and without the bun it’s a keto meal, or paleo with sides.

If none of the above suits you, try lamb. It has similar macros to beef but a totally different flavor. Lamb loin chops and leg of lamb roast are both pretty inexpensive if you can source them locally. The former should be prepared similar to a steak, and the latter similar to roast beef. Again, try them at a restaurant if you’re inexperienced, and make sure to order medium rare if it’s going to be grilled.

And if you still can’t find anything you like – hell, if you’re not getting hungry just reading this – then you’re a freak and I don’t know what else to tell you.

Mossadnik says:

To the first possibility, and contra what Jim seemed to imply in the original post, pork is red meat. Yes, the pork producers ran a very silly “the other white meat” marketing campaign 50+ years ago, back when America was hitting Peak Retard over red meat and saturated fat.

Interestingly, Israel also uses “white meat” for pork (and exclusively for it; like it’s a euphemism), and most locals would be surprised to learn that it’s in fact red meat.

Anyway, Cominator claims to be a sperg and a supertaster with le extra sensitive taste buds on the tongue, so whatever non-trollish dietary advice anyone gives him should have that calculated into the formula.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Cominator claims to be a sperg and a supertaster with le extra sensitive taste buds on the tongue

Could be, but not how I interpreted the claim. I know a tiny minority of people, including one girl, who don’t like chocolate, and while there is always “the problem of other minds”, I don’t think that they’re lying, nor are they extra-sensitive or anything like that. They just have an aversion to that particular food.

Sometimes the aversion is biological and there’s simply nothing you can do. With a sperg, a mutant, that’s definitely a possibility. But more often than not, food aversions are the result of some specific experience or set of experiences, especially when it comes to animal products which are the primary source of nutrition we were designed to eat.

I believe that excessive amounts of lean, burnt or nearly-burnt meat and other abnormally lean foods actually cause a kind of trauma, and I’ve seen people who’ve been brought up on that diet become literally sick after eating a very high fat meal. Almost similar to the infamous “keto flu”. But it is simply a negative adaptation, learned behavior that can be overcome and cured with careful culinary selection.

Neurotoxin says:

Many types of steak aren’t really good for grilling, either; Fidelis suggested flank steak for some reason but I’d definitely put that in the “don’t grill” category.

Wut? I did a couple of word searches in this thread. I’m the only one who has mentioned flank steak as of this writing and you’re the only one who has used any variation of the word “grill.”

You hallucinatin’, boy.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Yes, I got the two of you confused for a brief moment. Rest assured that it was a simple error of short-term memory and not the result of eating unidentified mushrooms growing under the air conditioner out back.

As far as the grilling thing, it is what I naturally assumed based on using limited seasoning, since other cooking methods almost always use more ingredients. In any case, while an appreciation of the cheaper cuts and knowledge of how to cook them properly is a very good thing–I myself enjoy tongues, hearts and even the occasional flap steak (bottom sirloin) in something like a beef-and-broccoli stir fry–these are things I wouldn’t recommend to someone who is trying to work around a food aversion. Best to start at the top, in my opinion, and work one’s way down.

Neurotoxin says:

“If none of the above suits you, try lamb.”

I had lamb tongue at a restaurant once as an experiment. It was very tender and quite good.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Lamb is a wonderful meat, though it can be hard to source in the US, and hard to prepare correctly aside from the few cuts that everyone is most familiar with (primarily loin chops, leg roast and rack).

If you want to get into Denver ribs, shoulder/arm chops, shanks and so on, you’ll have to learn a totally different set of recipes, seasonings and timings than what most people are familiar with for pork and beef. I had to get them wrong several times and end up with barely-edible dinners before I started to grok it more intuitively.

I’d describe lamb as being gamier and having a more complex flavor than beef, which might not be what Com is after; on the other hand, bison is normally described as being milder than beef in every respect. I find bison to be a little too lean and bland, personally, but in this instance it might be just the ticket.

Neurotoxin says:

“I’d describe lamb as being gamier and having a more complex flavor than beef, which might not be what Com is after…”

Agreed, not the best entry point.

Karl says:

Cominator, try different red meats. If you don’t like beef, try mutton, horse, deer, hare, etc. These are all red meat, but taste very differently. I know some people who dislike the taste of one or two of the meats, I have listed above, but like some other red meats.

Vlad says:

A sex change

Reziac says:

Get a hormone workup.

Turns out distaste for red meat in women is due to having very low estrogen. (There was a study on this, about 50 middle-aged women who suddenly became vegetarian because “meat smells bad”. All proved to have the exact same problem.)

Reduced estrogen comes with menopause but it also is caused by low thyroid, and low thyroid in turn reduces estrogen. (This also causes women to want to eat soy and flaxseed for the phytoestrogens, which can temporarily replace estrogen but further suppress thyroid.) This is also why a lot of the menopause lunacy, it affects the brain.

I expect there’s a similar mechanism in men, substitute testosterone for estrogen. (The thyroid-gonadal synergy is the same, if one falls so does the other.)

clovis says:

Does salted coffee mean you’re putting butter in the coffee, or actual salt? How does that taste?

Jim says:

Butter and salt.

ayyylmao says:

I’m the whitest man alive and U.S. dairy upsets me enormously, and the more “condensed” it is the worst it is, butter being worst of all. It may be worthwhile to try swapping butter out with coconut oil (in most contexts) and seeing how you feel. This is a general comment although I’d like to hear Jim’s results in particular.

Varna says:

US cows are genetically defective.

> The difference between American cows and European cows has to do with amino acid 67 — in European cows, it’s a proline. Because of a genetic mutation in American cows, amino acid 67 is a histidine.

Thus it is not uncommon for an American with “dairy sensitivity” to have it vanish once he sets foot in Europe.

Cloudswrest says:

Are you referring to the A2 version of Beta Casein? The A2 version is the same as the human version, so is less immunologically stimulating.

There are several types of casein in milk. Beta-casein is the second most prevalent and exists in at least 13 different forms.

The two most common forms are:

A1 beta-casein. Milk from breeds of cows that originated in northern Europe is generally high in A1 beta-casein. These breeds include Holstein, Friesian, Ayrshire, and British Shorthorn.
A2 beta-casein. Milk that is high in A2 beta-casein is mainly found in breeds that originated in the Channel Islands and southern France. These include Guernsey, Jersey, Charolais, and Limousin cows (1Trusted Source, 2Trusted Source).
Regular milk contains both A1 and A2 beta-casein, but A2 milk contains only A2 beta-casein.

Some studies suggest that A1 beta-casein may be harmful and that A2 beta-casein is a safer choice.

Thus, there is some public and scientific debate over these two types of milk.

A2 milk is produced and marketed by the A2 Milk Company and contains no A1 beta-casein.

SUMMARY
A1 and A2 milk contain different types of beta-casein protein. Some studies indicate that A2 milk may be the healthier of the two.

Varna says:

This is also very important information yes. Additionally, most of today’s US cows, due to weird corporate market dynamics, are descendants of two bulls from the 1960s, with fancy names “Round Oak Rag Apple Elevation” and “Pawnee Farm Arlinda Chief”.

Beside the way they may be raised, fed, and medicated; besides how the meat or dairy may be doctored; besides the amino acid mutation; beside all that, we have this additional factor, which is fairly new, just four decades.

There’s some mention of a third bull in the mix: “Penstate Ivanhoe Star”.

ayyylmao says:

I never investigated why, I just know that when I stopped drinking milk and eating cheese and minimized butter intake my inflammation collapsed and my weight sank like a stone. It could be due to the retinol content for all I know.

I also noticed that a higher-end lemonade like Calypso didn’t affect me nearly as much as a “basic” fruit juice. And anything with HFCS was much worse even than that.

I can have a scoop of Häagen-Dazs occasionally now but I know it isn’t the sugar itself that’s the worst part because the lemonade has as much or more and it doesn’t give me a negative feeling after.

Fake says:

When you say inflammation, does that include something like joint pain? I’ve found anything in the US with whey makes my joints susceptible to strains. I wonder if it has something to do with the A1 vs A2 cows in other comments.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

I’ve experienced similar effects after drinking american milk, and this was even after cooking it (for any GOMAD bros out there, baked milk with rosemary and garlic is great). My first though was excess calcium deposition in joints from lack of acidity, but aggravating factors that trigger an inflammatory response (arthritis) could also be a factor. Like others have experienced the fermented products anecdotally avoid most if not all of these problems.

Varna says:

Sometimes inflammation can be reduced lightning fast by taking a week off from all histamine-containing foods and histamine-activating fruits. Emptying the so-called “histamine bucket”. Super boring, but also super efficient if there’s joint pain or skin rashes or itchy scalps or random tissue swellings etc.

Not sustainable long-term, but a simple quick hack to stop whatever acute shit is flaring up, and then, once the situation is stabilized, calmly approach metabolic rewiring on a deeper level.

ayyylmao says:

Fake: “When you say inflammation, does that include something like joint pain? I’ve found anything in the US with whey makes my joints susceptible to strains. I wonder if it has something to do with the A1 vs A2 cows in other comments.”

No, I’ve never experienced any joint paint at any time in my life. Instead I really, really started paying attention to how I felt after eating various foods. Some foods are mostly neutral, like rice or potatoes (excluding sweet potatoes). Most (U.S.) foods are inflammatory or strongly inflammatory, including almost anything at a restaurant. And a few foods, like a good ribeye or N.Y. strip, are strongly disinflammatory. (Lesser cuts of beef are usually mildly disinflammatory.) Once you start paying attention to the sense of tension you feel after eating you’ll gain the ability to reasonably accurately gauge your inflammation at any given time. The most noticeable acute system in my experience is nose stuffiness: after eating pizza, even a “good” pizza from a “good” restaurant, my nose will almost always clam up like I have a mild or moderate cold. This is also true after Häagen-Dazs. Most interestingly I think that you can get addicted to having chronically high inflammation, and I think that most people in America are in fact addicted to having chronically high inflammation. If you do a 3-day fast and then eat a pizza it will probably shock you into understanding what I mean.

ayyylmao says:

*acute symptom

ayyylmao says:

Chrysostom: “Like others have experienced the fermented products anecdotally avoid most if not all of these problems.”

Fermented milk products?

Jim says:

Cheese, yoghurt, sour cream, and suchlike.

Real mozarilla cheese is not fermented, and goes bad faster than milk. So in practice, impossible to buy. What is being sold as mozarilla cheese is a mystery synthetic. Real mozarilla cheese has to be eaten in a day or so after it is made.

Actual cheese is one form or another of real mozarilla cheese that has been subjected to some form of controlled fermentation to give it reasonable shelf life.

ayyylmao says:

I’ll try cheese and observe. I question how they’re processing the cheese (in ways beyond fermentation). I’ve tried yogurt. The good yogurt is mostly sugar and the unsweetened yogurt is unpleasant.

Jim says:

Any yogurt that is less than sixteen percent fat is fake and inedible without a whole lot of toxic and addictive sugar to make the medicine go down.

If you make yogurt from whole milk without cream, it has to be concentrated by putting it in a cloth bag and draining out the excess fluid. Which is related to some forms of cheesemaking.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Any yogurt with less than 5% milkfat is basically like chalk. Ideally you want 10% or more. Sour cream is pretty goated. Adding your own salt helps too. Magnesium and lithium chlorides are chef’s tricks for the most ‘fresh’ or ‘satisfying’ flavors. Most people are potassium deficient too. You can make your own electrolytically balanced salt blend actually, use as much as you want on everything for flavor – your chemosensory system knows what does the body good.

Jim says:

> Any yogurt with less than 5% milkfat is basically like chalk. Ideally you want 10% or more. ‘

Sixteen percent. Ten percent is only just barely edible.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Sure, the more the better.

Oskar says:

A handy guide to nutrients for pasture raised beef & lamb, including the organ meats.

https://beeflambnz.com/sites/default/files/interactive-guide-to-the-nutrient-composition-of-NZ-beef-and-lamb.pdf

Karl says:

What is your opinion on fish?

Jim says:

I eat a lot of fish. Salmon and barramundi. Good stuff.

Fido says:

Look at the beef grade of “select”, compared to “prime” or “choice”.

Cows these days are “finished” fattened fed on other than their natural grass (corn, meal, antibiotics, etc). Select is leaner. Though perhaps not as natural lean as a plain old cow roaming around, which is expensive, which is why fattened.
Point being, our gut was built on ancient cow, not 1980’s fois-grois fat cow tech.

Most 100% natural meat farms are now expensive advertised operations, they know their product, few “locals” don’t already know what you’re after and the demand, so they charge handsomely for it now.

But maybe you can offer to buy/support some newborns and stuff on the farm in exchange for a better line of access.

Fix their internet. Hack their proprietary John Deere firmware. Be fucking useful at the co-op. Burn calories stacking hay.

Jim says:

Paraphrasing, ZCash is a leader in hot technologies that do not actually quite work yet, and they think they can make them work.

I also think they can make them work. We have seen some revolutionary breakthroughs. But this stuff is bleeding edge, and it is still bleeding.

Peter V says:

Any thoughts on psoriasis? My inflammations have recently started worsening (I’ll be soon hitting 30) and it seems I’ve tried everything except eating within this 6-to-8 hour window. Will try that as well.

Fidelis says:

I get eczema if I do too many starches and sweets. The whey portion of milk available at US grocery stores is also particularly inflammatory, but the fat and strained yoghurt products don’t seem to cause the same reaction. Milk from smaller local farms, and milk abroad seems fine.

From internet anecdote, the foods that particularly aggrevate autoimmune symptoms are plant derived oils, starches, milk, and fibrous vegetables.

Jim says:

Auto immune symptoms are often caused by leaky gut. If milk gives you an autoimmune reaction, you definitely have a leaky gut.

Insoluble fibre is the major cause of leaky gut.

Fidelis says:

I have a very low fiber diet already, eliminating more would be cumbersome, and it does not seem to be leaky gut related. I am pretty sure its the inflammation system going into overdrive, as it gets triggered when I gluttonously overeat highly insulinergic foods.

In regards to milk, the milk in question is specifically the milk found on American shelves in an ordinary grocery store, and I’m certain it has way more to do with whatever industrial process it’s subjected to, and whatever hormone, peptide and chemical treatment the dairy cows and their diets get, than peculiarities of my gut. I don’t have reactions when drinking milk in various European and even Asian countries, and I have overnight reaction to the milk in America. It’s another case of leftists successfully poisoning the food in the name of your good health and nutrition, if cows milk is bad just drink the soy milk, I’m sure that will help hyuckhyuck.

ayyylmao says:

“It’s another case of leftists successfully poisoning the food in the name of your good health and nutrition.”

Everyone is to blame for this. No one gives a flying fuck about your health, not bankers, not investors, not bureaucrats, not politicians, no one.

ayyylmao says:

And especially not doctors. It is to laugh.

Peter V says:

I have problems digesting milk. No problems with cream, yogurt, cheese, etc. What definitely seems to worsen the condition is stress, sugar, beer, and wine in large amounts. Couldn’t figure out any direct connections with any food, though. Will try cutting down on insoluble fibers.
Milk here in Russia is processed, but most of it has a shelf life of about 6 days, so not heavily processed. Still can’t digest it.

The Cominator says:

Have you tried the lactose free milk sometimes you build up a lactose intolerance…

Daddy Scarebucks says:

I agree that this sounds like a textbook case of lactose intolerance. Higher-fat milk, cream, cheese and so on all have much less lactose. And lactose is literally sugar, so it stands to reason that having a lot of other sugar in your diet would exacerbate the problem.

Fortunately, the enzyme responsible for digesting lactose (lactase) is readily available OTC. I don’t think dairy is really a necessary part of anyone’s diet–in fact, “Orthodox Paleo” frowns upon all dairy–but if you’re intolerant and want to have dairy anyway, just take the enzyme with dairy meals. Problem solved.

Peter V says:

Seems like that’s the case. Will cut down on sugar as well. Thank you

Jim says:

A huge problem in the real original Paleo diet was too much protein and not enough fat. Dairy solved that problem.

And if one says, eat what one’s ancestors ate, well if you are substantially Aryan, your ancestors lived largely on milk and milk products.

And if you are not substantially Aryan, well the Japanese decided that kids should drink lots of milk to grow big and strong, and it seemed to work for them.

Varna says:

> “And if you are not substantially Aryan, well the Japanese decided that kids should drink lots of milk to grow big and strong, and it seemed to work for them.”

With the east-asiatics, we saw in real time the difference between genetic and environmental factors in basic height. First the japs got a taste of sane market economy distribution of proteins and fats, then the south koreans, then the various types of chinks, then even the vietnamese.

Turns out they still have different height ceilings wired into them, but these ceilings are not the ones the world assumed back when they were all scrawny short-assed gits.

Today Korean chicks and Chinese chicks have the average height of Belgian chicks and Hungarian chicks.
https://www.theworldranking.com/statistics/175/global-average-female-height-comparison/

Taiwanese/Hong Kong chicks are the same as Portuguese chicks and North Korean chicks.

Japanese and Vietnamese chicks are the height of Mexican chicks. The actual tiny dolls turn out to be the women of Indonesia, Cambodia, the Philippines, Sri Lanka, these places. Not the japs or the chinks. The latter just needed access to meat and dairy.

The difference between east asian height (and boob size) in the past and today, is the difference between oriental pre-modern mechanisms of nutrition distribution, and modern western market mechanisms of nutrition distribution.

The difference between South Korean and North Korean height is the difference between unreconstructed commie mechanisms of nutrition distribution, and modern western market mechanisms of nutrition distribution.

The average height of mainland China should be remembered to be the average of an enormous country with enormous dispersal. North chinks are genetically taller than South chinks. The height of south china is easily illustrated by Hong Kong/Taiwan/Vietnam. The height of young north Chinese women today is like that of Russian/Polish women. Also they have non-Han ethnicities. For example the Uyghurs of Xinjian are a bunch of central-asian turks.

All in all, in East Asia we have the perfect example of the difference between pre-modern oriental/commie oriental and modern western market-based mechanisms for nutrition distribution.

In the West, especially the USA, we have the perfect example of the difference between a 20th century non-obese population, and a 21st century highly obese population, illustrating the difference between a) functional modern western market-based nutrition-distribution mechanisms, and b) hijacked/toxic post-modern post-western conglomerate-based nutrition-distribution mechanisms.

Additional variables such as microplastics, toxicity of air/water/soil, livestock-rearing practices, vaccination regimens, and other potential sources of toxicity and pollution, would have to be cross-checked between North America, Europe, East Asia, and Western Eurasia, to see which variable works how. Maybe AI can already do some form of preliminary meta-analysis on the matter.

Mossadnik says:

The difference between east asian height (and boob size) in the past and today

Unrelated to your overall point, but I read in Nicholas Wade’s A Troublesome Inheritance that East-Asians have specific genes causing small breast size in women. Yeah, as an enthusiast of BIG BOOBA, I’m personally less into that.

ayyylmao says:

Varna: “The difference between South Korean and North Korean height is the difference between unreconstructed commie mechanisms of nutrition distribution, and modern western market mechanisms of nutrition distribution.”

The same could be said of fertility: the difference between South Korean and North Korean fertility is the difference between unreconstructed commie mechanisms of woman distribution, and modern western market mechanisms of woman distribution.

Is it possible to have the former without the latter or the latter without the former?

alf says:

Once again very impressed by the level of knowledge shared here. Funny thing where people who are well-versed in topics like history and politics are also well-versed in a completely unrelated topic like diet. The blessings of a sharp mind I suppose.

Mossadnik says:

The internet (particularly the relatively uncensored anglophone internet) really made the vast knowledge accumulated by humanity accessible to virtually everyone. Now, the low IQ and/or non-curious just use the net to entertain themselves with endless bullshit or for similarly basic (not to say base) purposes; but those inclined to seek the truth, wherever it may lead, have been blessed with a truly tremendous and ever-expanding reservoir of information; and one who is able to sift the grain from the chaff, as Jeremiah 23:28 would phrase it, may well end-up as a Dean in the collective Chud Academy.

Mossadnik says:

Excessive chocolate gives me acne like a teenage virgin who just fapped to his/her teacher for the first time [abolish the schools]; I don’t care about the face, but I save the upper back for a tattoo of Lord Shiva the Destroyer meditating, and the acne in that location precludes it. Well, good thing I prefer garlic to chocolate.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Sour cream is a very effective skin conditioner. A little bit can go a long way. I use a dab on the hands and wrists washing. If you have trouble elsewhere you can use it after showering or bathing as well.

A long time ago I once had a persistent sore on the wrist that would never fully heal month after month regardless of what it was treated with, which of course made me suspect it wasn’t an infection, but go figure. Usual suspects like peroxide, alcohol, or good old soap and water ineffective. Strong penetrants like iodine or copper sulfide would cause scabbing over but no full remission. At one point tried using fermented products like non-vinegar pickling juice, yogurt, sour cream, and wonder of wonders it never came back. The biotics are effective at prolonging a ‘clean’ feeling, anecdotally. Looking back now it might well have been because I was sleeping on it, but it just goes to show what can help and what doesn’t in healing and protecting hard working skin.

As far as diet goes the number one thing for inflammation is getting your fats from highly saturated animal and fruit sources (eg olives, coconuts, or avocados). Unsaturated seed oils are the devil. Certain nuts like macadamia, hazel, and cashews are fine too – you know how people always pick those out of mixed nut bowls first without any conscious knowledge at all? The body knows what it likes. Olive oil is great stuff but most olive oil on the shelf is fake (that’s how mafias make their money these days). Look for seals of regional origin and or organic status. If the bottle doesn’t have these you can bet you’re actually buying a bottle of safflower oil or something else. Most fresh produce in general is going to be coated in pesticides so buying organic or jarred wherever possible is generally best. Your three P’s, plastics, preservatives, and petroleum dyes, a quick rule of thumb for ruling out anything poisonous or low quality in general.

Sher Singh says:

For me, just cutting out processed sugar was enough to get the ball rolling.
Diet mostly pork, dairy, honey – I’ll eat something sweet if it’s part of the food.

Otherwise, plain greek yogurt + honey around 15g per 200g.
Been getting like 180-200g protein a day without sweating.

Gonna look into adding back some vegetables, maybe some beans or fish.
Testing 10g creatine a day vs 5.

I snack on dairy, and main meal is meat.
Every 10ish days I’ll carb back up for lifting reasons.

Atm, my avg seems to be 200g protein, 100g fat, 200g carb

Fk cow slaughter.

ਅਕਾਲ

Fidelis says:

If you’re eating dairy, need a pregnant cow. Pregnant cows give birth to bulls on occasion. What are you doing with the extra bulls? Are they just wandering around the pasture causing trouble? Are you using them to plow the fields and perform other such tasks? How do they compare to a horse or mule for this in endurance and personality?

Sher Singh says:

Jatts traditionally raise the Indus water buffalo, and killing the bull is fine.
I know ancient Hindus killed the male “cow” and only the female is banned.

Our languages have a different word for the male or female & cow only refers to the female.

Mossadnik says:

Superstitious food prohibitions are as valid a reason as any to recognize that Christ is Lord and all the other faiths are nonsense.

Fidelis says:

That’s fairly reasonable. How come you don’t eat the bull after the slaughter, then? Seems wasteful.

Sher Singh says:

Huh?

Eating whatever you kill is fine.

Mossadnik – Ok Mr. Wuhan

Mossadnik says:

Retard, the issue with Wuhan was the laboratory, not the market. The problem was in the experimenting, not in the eating.

The Day of Cominator can’t come soon enough.

Mossadnik says:

I’m amazed at the shittiness (street-shittiness) of your retort. An actual human could probably have come up with so many other, more compelling arguments in favor of religious food restrictions; and yet — of all things in the world — you actually went with “Wuhan.”

You will be reincarnated as a pangolin and slant-eyed gooks will cook you. With no attendant viruses.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

200g protein, 100g fat, 200g carb…

…are not very good macros. Better than the Standard American Diet but not by all that much.

No one needs that much protein (well, unless they weigh 200 kilos, which you don’t if you’re on a 2500-calorie diet), and the carbohydrates are extremely high even if you are physically active.

Percentage-wise, that’s 32% protein, 32% carbohydrates, 36% fat. A moderate-carb (not low-carb) paleo would keep the carbohydrates below 30% at all times and ideally below 25%, and fat should be above 50% on most days.

Dairy isn’t the problem here, albeit dairy products are still inferior to the red meat that they’re made from. You could probably make a significant improvement by simply dropping the honey and switching to full-fat (10%) yogurt, which doesn’t need sweetening, and/or creamy cheeses.

Even for someone of your… persuasion, there are plenty of non-cow options for red meat that can supplement the pig, including sheep, goat, deer and maybe bison. You should be thinking about how to add more meat, fattier meat and more diverse animal sources, not how to incorporate more vegetables or fish.

Fish are fine, mind you, as long as they are fatty fish, but they’re a B-tier option, like chicken. Pork and venison are the A-tier options and beef and lamb are the S-tier.

Sher Singh says:

Yes, yes

You’re basically saying add ਮੱਖਣ or butter to Buffalo milk yogurt.

I’ve done that, and spoken to Singhs – we’ll start Jhatka of rams in addition to, goats.

I’ve halved the honey and will probably cut it entirely by Tuesday. Just 30g of cream cheese or butter is more filled than 10x the amount of other foods.

I’ve seen mixed opinions on carb and protein amounts for athletes and soldiers. I’ll try lowering each by 30-50g a day or more in the case of carbs.

@mossadnik We ban halal because war with Turks. Technically, any sacrificial meat outside our own.

We don’t kill cows because the slave castes are entitled to the meat and produce useful products from the hides.

I don’t think a serious theological debate is warranted.

Civility & Arms.

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Root vegetables like beets, carrots, or yams, split peas or lentils, rice (look for ‘haiga’ or ‘quick cooking’ style that have the bran removed by water milling; never buy ‘whole grain’), honey or maple syrup, regular ass sugar you’ve cooked down into caramel, fermented/cultured dairy.

Anecdotally, a lot of craving go away if you eat more egg yolks. The world’s most cost effective superfood. Designed by purpose to have has everything that life needs in high amounts that you want. If the box says ‘vegetarian fed’ that means the birds are being fed soy, and so the balance of fats and other nutrients is worse (same goes for the meat). Chickens eat bugs like cows eat grass, so buying from a local farm stand if you can find them is best, or pay attention to labels in the store. Citrus, blueberries, cranberries, and other whole fruits have ascorbates, but are also one of the most convenient sources of soluble fiber that are key for gut health via-a-vis clean stool formation and human symbiotic microbiota, which also relate to systemic inflammation. Freezer bags of peas, cauliflower, or broccoli are both convenient and cost effective. Make sure you rinse them off before use though to remove microplastic debris (easier while still frozen). Same goes for anything else that comes wrapped in plastic for that matter (anything liquid or not hard and washable should not be eaten if it comes in plastic; fats such as lard or oil should extra especially never be used in polymer packaging, since pthalates and other plasticisers are fat soluble and leech out that much more easily). Salads are degenerate and I never eat uncooked vegetables. Pickling and fermentation are fine alternate methods of preparation. Pickled vegetables are what salads are supposed to be but fail at. It is easy to make your own slaws, relishes, and other condiments and very convenient to just pull out and serve later. Cabbage, cucumber, onions, garlic, and bell peppers are my most commonly used options for pickling. Beets and carrots at times too. Cider and red wine vinegar based marinades used for storage (with home secret seasoning). Sometimes I’ll also drain and whip it together with sour cream at serving time for a different flavor profile.

I’m a big fan of making custards and curds, hits a lot of different cravings at once. The three classic methods of ‘brightening’ flavor are sugar, salt, and acid, and you can up the acid and salt to reduce sugar to make more ‘paleo’ versions that hit a bunch of good macros while also tasting good. One easy one pot recipe I use is per 1 stick of butter (or half a cup/8 tbs. of lard/olive/coconut oil), 5-4 eggs (if you blend them before hand you don’t have to separate the yolks and whites, unless you want to use the whites in other recipes), half cup of lemon or lime juice, either 1 cup of pureed blueberry or cranberry or 55 grams baker’s chocolate (bar or chip form; emulsifies much better than the powder for beginners to make a smooth consistency that doesn’t separate), 1 tbs. honey or maple (skip if you use semi-sweet chocolate), 1 tbs. starch, 1 tbs. dried rosemary, 1 tsp. salt, 1 tsp. of beef stock concentrate (you don’t really notice the flavor as such, but it adds a certain elevating je ne sais quoi you do notice when its not there). Huge gains for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

Making your own condiments in general is really convenient. Guacamole, hummus, lemon curd, pickle, preserves, tomato paste, brown sauce, compound butters, instant macros and flavorizing.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:
Jim says:

> The three classic methods of ‘brightening’ flavor are sugar, salt, and acid, and you can up the acid and salt to reduce sugar to make more ‘paleo’ versions that hit a bunch of good macros while also tasting good.

In any recipe for brightening flavor, butter, cream, or sour cream is to some extent substitutable for sugar. Because what your body is hungering for is an easy to metabolise source of energy.

There are lots of recipes for delicious fatty condiments under the name “white sauce”. But you cannot buy white sauce in the shops due to severe storage issues.

Any condiment improves with sour cream or unsweetened high fat yogurt.

Any condiment that is both sweet and sour, which is most of them, will be improved with sour cream or butter. These are the white sauces.

The universal low carb condiment is salty sour cream. Good to have other things, such as chilli in it, but salt, acid, and saturated fat are the basic workhorse of condiments. You cannot, however, buy such condiments off the shelf, because sour cream and butter goes off fast, and store bought condiments are expected to sit on the shelf forever. If your condiment employs sour cream or similar, it has to be kept in the fridge and consumed reasonably quickly.

Common practice is to make only so much as to be consumed fresh made.

Jim says:

> One easy one pot recipe I use is per 1 stick of butter (or half a cup/8 tbs. of lard/olive/coconut oil), 5-4 eggs (if you blend them before hand you don’t have to separate the yolks and whites, unless you want to use the whites in other recipes), half cup of lemon or lime juice, either 1 cup of pureed blueberry or cranberry or 55 grams baker’s chocolate (bar or chip form; emulsifies much better than the powder for beginners to make a smooth consistency that doesn’t separate), 1 tbs. honey or maple (skip if you use semi-sweet chocolate), 1 tbs. starch, 1 tbs. dried rosemary, 1 tsp. salt, 1 tsp. of beef stock concentrate (you don’t really notice the flavor as such, but it adds a certain elevating je ne sais quoi you do notice when its not there). Huge gains for breakfast, lunch, and dinner

If your sweetening agent is 55 grams baker’s chocolate, not going to break keto.

Have you tried substituting pureed chilli for pureed cranberry?

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

A lot of classic recipes depend on flour as a ‘body filler’, which is where cocoa can come in, as both filler and flavoring (hard cheeses and eggs are also in this area). A little bit of starch or better xanthan gum can also go a long way in making things thixotropic.

I like making ajvar and harissa, and I’ve experimented with using tomato paste in custards too. Chili is definitely a bold choice though. Not unprecedented either though. Goes well with chocolate. You might try a little coffee extract as well, another synergy with chocolate.

Alf says:

never buy ‘whole grain’

Are you saying this because bran is insoluble fibre and you want to avoid insoluble fibre in general?

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Yes.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Sounds like an interesting recipe for a paleo lemon curd, but I only know lemon curd as a dessert filling or topper, and this still looks fairly sweet rather than savory. You’re calling it a condiment, so I wonder what it is meant to be used on?

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Traditionally citrus curds were used as toppings for breads or fillings for tarts and pies. With that particular recipe I often like just eating it by itself though, since I can just bring it out of the fridge and have at it without any preparation with something that has everything you need (.

The trick to making things easy on yourself is to cook it in the same bowl you serve or store it in. Eg with a 2+ quart oven safe glass I’d double the above recipe and include half a cup of cream sherry or reserve port (or brandy or rum), mount it on a water pot for a double boil setup and get a low simmer going. You melt the fat first along with the seasonings and then whisk the eggs in and then whisk the water liquids in. The order is important since getting the fats and yolks mixed together fist helps it emulsify with the watery ingredients better, reducing separation. You can use the same measuring cup for each ingredient from the fats to the fruit or chocolate to blending the eggs (a milk frother is useful here) to the liquids, which reduces cleanup. The stovetop stage is mainly for just getting everything mixed together with heat. Conventionally you keep stirring while simmering until you feel the custard ‘set up’, but as long as you have everything fully blended you can skip that time to the next step in my personal approach. Which is to cover the bowl in clean parchment paper and tie it off with some metal gardening wire (so you can recover it after a serving; the ones with handles on the lip make this a lot easier), then put it in the oven at 200 for 77 minutes (or 250 for 30, but lower and slower is usually best when it comes to cooking). Gets everything set up and ready for storage in the fridge without cross-contamination. The acidity salt and spirits help of course. Makes enough to last one person a few days to a week depending on how fast they eat it.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

I’ve seen mixed opinions on carb and protein amounts for athletes

Certainly. If you are going through a lot of intense physical activity – and I mean really a lot, not just a few 30-60 minute workouts a week with the rest spend on the couch/at your desk – then Jim et al are correct that keto is going to be largely unsustainable.

(Oddly, and for reasons I can’t explain, carnivore is easier to sustain long-term, possibly due to the implied increase in offal, especially liver, but who knows.)

But I have tried both generic loosey-goosey paleo and high-carb/low-fat as part of a training regimen, and while the HCLF might have been said to be ever so slightly better for energy, any difference in performance was really out there in the margins, and HCLF made me miserable in terms of the constant cravings and GI problems. I was making small gains, but I had never felt more unhealthy in my entire life and my gut was growing faster than any muscles were.

When I switched back to high-fat low-carb paleo that was heavy on red meat, I did struggle with low energy during workouts – for the first couple of weeks, and then it was fine, after becoming fat-adapted again. And the distended gut was gone about a month later, without any apparent loss of strength.

Sher Singh says:

Yea,

Higher carb only makes sense on a field ex.
I’ve noticed much better recovery since dropping carbs as well.

I located the MacroFactor reference & it’s 1.5-2g protein per KG of FFM.
https://i.imgur.com/kRm6cqe.png

My last post-workout meal was:

400g 11% yogurt
50g paneer
10g honey

650 calories 30 protein, 30 carb, 55g fat.
I’d prefer the fat & Protein to be a bit higher & carbs lower, but I’ll work with it.

I think I’ll aim for 160g protein, 160g carb & rest fat.
In terms of macros like 25% 25% 50% – that should be fine.
Carbs may be a bit high, but I’m not gonna stress it.

Thanks,

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

A basic rule of thumb is more energy from protein than carbs, and more energy from fat than protein and carbs put together. So like 10-20% carbohydrate calories on average, and 50-70% calories from fat on average.

c4ssidy says:

Hydrating is hard without chilled Pepsi Max. Even with tea and coffee, one is tempted to add a spoon of sugar, and without that sugar it is easy to not drink enough. I was thinking of sampling non-alcoholic beer. It would be without artificial sweeteners while the carbs it does have would be more complex

Karl says:

No, that is just your temptation. Try different tee, eat more meat, more fat, less sugar. The temption will either go away or you’ll learn to resist it.

Fidelis says:

Add more salt to meals. You’re probably drinking enough fluids. I exercise hard enough to lose several pounds of weight in a session, through sweat and wet exhalation, and only on rare occasion feel the need to down a lot of water at once.

Fat and starch break down into CO2 and H2O. If your metabolism is functioning well, and you’re not outside in something like dry desert heat, you don’t need all that much to replenish. The people encouraging you to always drink another glass, drink a gallon of water a day even, most of them would cramp up if they started sweating hard.

Mossadnik says:

I always preferred classic red Coca Cola precisely because it is less sweet than Pepsi.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

>Hydrating is hard without chilled Pepsi Max

Madness. Artificial sweeteners are worse than useless. You will never meet a healthy person who drinks splenda.

My personal life hack for hydration is saving the big 30-60 ounce glass jars foodstuffs come in for use in brewing teas. Way larger than almost any kettle of course so you either need to use a cookpot to boil water or do what I do and brew it in the oven (low and slow is best). As far as leaf juice in general goes there’s a huge variation in brands and the qualities of the products thereof. One bellwether to look out for in quality is tea bags in paper wrappers rather than plastic. Loose leaf wholesale is of course best, doing your market research pays here. Silver needle white is peak. Leafy culinary spices like rosemary make good tisanes as well.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

chilled Pepsi Max

Yuk.

Just kick your sugar addiction and you’ll stop craving this junk. The problem is, instead of just cutting out the sugar, people think they’re going to be clever and use sugar substitutes like sucralose or sugar alcohols, which (a) have very similar metabolic effects, (b) continue to support the compulsive behavior, and bonus (c) wreak havoc on an otherwise healthy gut.

I guarantee you that once you’re off sugars and artificial sweeteners for a full month, you’ll not only have no particular desire to drink these products, you’ll find them so sickeningly sweet that you’ll wonder how you ever consumed a whole bottle of the stuff.

Cloudswrest says:

If you must have sweetness, the amino acid Glycine is plenty sweet. A half teaspoon in a cup of coffee is plenty for me.

Bwana Simba says:

How about stevia, as in the kind in Zevia cola, rather than the fake sugar used for coffee?

Daddy Scarebucks says:

It is my understanding that, at least according to current research, and to the extent that one is willing to trust that bleeding-edge research, stevia is “safe” for the gut compared to sugar alcohols and other artificial sweeteners. Supposedly it also does not lower insulin sensitivity, but I am far more doubtful of that claim because they made that exact same specific claim about the other artificial sweeteners before it ultimately disproven.

That aside, using stevia as a sweetener will still reinforce the addictive behavior. I have not known anyone to switch to stevia and then later on drop the stevia and consume unsweetened food and drinks. Either they keep using stevia forever (and are always lurching from one mini-crisis to the next, when the supermarket stops carrying their favorite brand, or they forget to bring packets to the coffee shop, and so on) or they backslide into sugar, often prompted by those aforementioned moments of “oh I forgot my stevia so I’ll use sugar this one time, it’s OK”.

At best, stevia seems like a band-aid for someone whose sugar intake is way out of control and they need to do something immediately, as in diabetic or prediabetic, just to be able to stay alive and continue functioning. If you’re not in such a medical crisis, don’t try to find a “better sweetener”, just taper off the constant sweetening until you don’t need it anymore.

Bwana Simba says:

My apologies, I should have been more specific. I meant the stevia leaf extract rather than stevia, which is the processed, concentrated sweetener that is made from those leaves. That is on me, not everyone has access to Zevia cola.

Aidan says:

Stevia is an endocrine disruptor that mimics estrogen. It was used as birth control by Amazonian tribals. Stay away.

Sugar in moderate amounts is fine. Too much sugar is sickening if you’re otherwise healthy- it’s not really possible for someone metabolically healthy to get addicted to it. A glass of orange juice is obviously good and healthy. A liter of Mountain Dew obviously not. Insulin is meant to go up and down as we eat and abstain from sugar. If you’re diabetic and your insulin feedback loops are broken, you obviously need to quit sugar until they’re normal again.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

A glass of orange juice is obviously good and healthy.

Not so much.

An orange is healthy. A glass of orange juice has essentially the same problem as a cup of seed oil – it’s a super-refined, highly concentrated version of the thing that is OK in its unrefined form, containing elements (in this case sugar) far in excess of what we’re naturally equipped to digest in one sitting.

The juice of one orange amounts to no more than 1/4 cup, and that’s from a juice-orange specifically bred for juicing. An 8 oz glass – and most people are really talking about 10 or 12 oz when they say a “glass” – has the sugar equivalent of 6-8 navel or mandarin oranges. Where you’d be naturally limited from eating that many oranges by the fiber content, OJ is bypassing all implicit defenses.

Milk arrives as a liquid and nature clearly intends for it to be drunk. Juice does not. Juice fuels sugar addiction to about the same extent as soda.

Oskar says:

>Hydrating is hard without chilled Pepsi Max. Even with tea and coffee…

If you’re trying to hydrate, keep coffee to a minimum, as caffeine is a diuretic.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Coffee is not sea brine, it is net hydrating. It does not matter that caffeine is a diuretic, you still receive more fluid than you lose.

I limit caffeine because I don’t want to become dependent and end up like Tweek Tweak, but as far as hydration, one can (and should) drink as much coffee or tea as one wants.

Beow says:

That is the case for alcohol right? I never bought the idea that it “dehydrates” you.
What is the deal with alcohol anyways? I have never been a drinker but have lately been experimenting as it helps me fall asleep when my mind is too active. Is it healthy? “They” seem to have a grudge against it like they do with meat.

Jim says:

They have a grudge against alcohol because in wine there is truth and they have a grudge against truth.

Because alcohol is truth serum, this enables you to trust people you drink with, and they have a grudge against men trusting each other.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Alcohol does dehydrate you, but that’s not a good reason to avoid drinking any alcohol, it just means you need to make sure to stay hydrated, or rehydrate yourself afterward.

A cup of coffee or tea is literally a cup of water with coffee grounds or tea leaves brewed or steeped into it. It is more than 99% water. A shot of whiskey or other spirit is 40% alcohol by volume. Alcohol is a solvent that attaches to both lipids and proteins and competes with water for the chemical reactions. And since alcohol has far more toxicity than caffeine, your body wants to flush it out ASAP, and has to flush out a lot of water with it.

Beer and wine are pretty low ABV and so they are going to be far less dehydrating. Possibly those particular beverages are even net hydrating, I don’t know, haven’t seen the math on those. But if you’ve ever had a hangover – and who hasn’t? – that’s mostly just the effect of dehydration, and relatively easily avoided by drinking a full glass of water before passing out for the night.

Mossadnik says:

Do you buy the notion that alcohol is highly carcinogenic? That seems to be the latest line of attack against it from the usual suspects. Could be true, though; not my field of expertise.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Do you buy the notion that alcohol is highly carcinogenic?

Not unless it’s fraudulently labeled and contains methanol or other nasty impurities.

I haven’t really heard the notion that alcohol is carcinogenic, but if such a notion actually is making rounds in the public sphere, then I assume it is bullshit.

Mossadnik says:

It appears that their latest talking point is that “alcohol is just as carcinogenic as cigarettes.” I believe I read that on some or other Cathedral platform. Speaking of which – what’s your take on tobacco and its products? They’ve been long at war against it (obviously because at war against masculinity and all its manifestations), but then again, it’s not that easy to differentiate between the real risks involved in smoking, which surely there are quite a few, and all the shrill hysterical propaganda surrounding it.

The Cominator says:

They don’t like tobacco because it was absolutely the most prosocial of drugs (one thing that makes post covid nightlife so miserable is vaping replaced smoking, girls smoking which even 10 years ago most did was sort of the last easy way to cold approach and have any chance without pre selection or ultra high status) and while it kills the old a bit early sometimes and probably is not good for elite athletes it doesn’t dull the wits quite the opposite, mass market cigs in the US are poisoned to be a lot worse than inhaling tobacco leaves should be but thats because it was done deliberately.

They want people atomized, dull-witted and miserable. Basically any drug other than tobacco is superior for that.

The Cominator says:

Booze is not carcinogenic (alcohol like smokeing is probably being targetted because in at least moderate levels its prosocial) but its definitely not something for everyone. If you have any parents or grandparents who were bad drunks you should probably stay away from drinking.

Mossadnik says:

The question is though, is all the propaganda entirely fake and baseless (from a pure physiological health perspective, that is; addiction is a separate topic), or are there legit, serious risks involved in either of these? Scarebucks rules out this newest Cathedral-promoted notion that alcohol is carcinogenic, so I’m asking if it might be — at least in a comparable manner — the same deal with tobacco products. My non-scientific gut feeling is that lifelong smokers are generally less healthy than non-smokers and that they do have higher rates of lung cancer; but then again, we’ve all been exposed to and bombarded with such massive, relentless anti-smoking campaigns that it’s hard to tell at this point. Could be a gargantuan psyop.

Jim says:

The smoking propaganda is far from entirely fake and baseless. Just mostly fake and baseless.

The Cominator says:

Mass market cigarettes are bad for you with regular use because they put poisonous stuff in them (at least in the US) much like our food though not to the degree recent propaganda suggests the tobacco American servicemen smoked during WWII probably was only bad for you if you smoked a ton because inhaling too much heated and burned material too often for obvious reasons stresses the lungs out, the only anti tobacco smoking propaganda a reactionary state should endorse is that pregnant women shouldn’t smoke and that you should otherwise do it in moderation and not chain smoke (which btw I think is what they tell people in Japan which as we saw during covid has one of the only honest medical authorities). Cigars and pipes are probably (though if you get oral cancer its horrible) only a very slightly increased risk for oral cancer but their impact on longevity has been consistently found to be negligible even with people who regularly smoke cigars.

Smokers tend to be less healthy people more because people who smoke are more likely to be willing to do things which aren’t good for their health because heavy handed propaganda.

The Cominator says:

So is it ENTIRELY fake, not ENTIRELY but lets say the stated risks of moderate smoking (especially if its say cigars and not mass market cigarettes) are like what propaganda said the risk of covid was, and the actual risk was more like the actual risk of covid.

Mossadnik says:

The smoking propaganda is far from entirely fake and baseless. Just mostly fake and baseless.

My suspicion as well. Presumably, the “secondhand smoke” campaign is based on no real evidence, and is the result of number manipulation by the propagandists. But inhaling any type of fumes on a regular basis probably isn’t all that beneficial for the body; we were, after all, designed to breathe air, and did not really coevolve with smoking.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Edward Luttwak gives tobacco much credit for the scientific and industrial revolutions because (a) it makes men smarter, and (b) it kills them before they would otherwise develop dementia, thus preventing senile gerontocracy.

Mossadnik says:

it kills them before they would otherwise develop dementia, thus preventing senile gerontocracy.

That’s straight outta Huxley’s BNW, heh.

However, I’m inclined to believe that nicotine might actually be neuroprotective, perhaps in a similar way to caffeine. It appears that whatever makes you feel sharper, probably does in fact make you sharper. Then again, the regular ciggy contains much more than mere nicotine.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Tobacco is not really my wheelhouse; I personally can’t stand the stuff but have never been bothered by other people smoking either, it’s just not for me.

The “second-hand smoke” risks were clearly always bullshit, there was never any risk to people around them, just the usual lefty assholes doing the victim dance and coughing performatively.

The risks to the smoker, probably less bullshit. Anecdotally, we had two heavy smokers in my extended family who both died of lung cancer in their sixties. No one else in the family smokes, and to my knowledge, no other cancer at all in the family. Interestingly, one or two people who smoked while they were young and quit by age 35 did fine, so it’s possible that if you can quit (and for many people that seems to be a very big “if”) then, like a lot of semi-harmful things, you might be able to escape the consequences of youthful indulgence as long as you quit before your body can’t take it anymore.

I don’t buy the claims at all about it making people smarter or being responsible for the entire industrial revolution. That’s obviously propaganda of a different sort. There’s no drug of any kind that can improve a person’s intelligence, and never will be, because intelligence is in your genes. What nicotine does is reduce stress, at least until the tolerance and dependency kick in, and even after a hundred years of research we still haven’t come up with any prescription drugs that do a better job of reducing stress without causing much worse side effects. I’d sooner recommend cigarettes than benzos or opioids, that’s for sure.

I’m also unimpressed by Cominator’s hypothesis that the psyops are all just to shut down a potential icebreaker for picking up chicks. First of all, leftists aren’t that rational. Second, I spent my own time at those social settings and smoking just wasn’t really a factor in being able to break the ice. Third, weed is even better than cigarettes for that and is becoming more tolerated, not less.

What I would buy, what is likely partially true, is that smoking is/was a social activity in general and therefore despised by spiteful mutants, who’d feel bitter and empty every time their coworkers went outside on a five-minute smoke break. This is in line with current-day efforts to ban alcohol in the workplace, which is being pursued with far less nuanced motivations (“some people don’t drink and it’s not faaaaair to them, it’s not inclusive”).

Which doesn’t mean that the thing they want to ban is 100% wonderful and good, just that (as always) a leftoid’s stated reason for opposing something has no relationship to her actual reason; the actual reason is always related to envy and spite. They like to take a mild vice, that men use for socially bonding, and escalate it into end-of-the-world nonsense.

Last thing would be that modern cigarettes might be the equivalent of seed oils in terms of being way too refined and concentrated compared to what people generally smoked 400 years ago. I don’t really have any hard science to base that on, mind you; but anecdotally again, people who smoke cigars or pipes seem to have fewer problems with addiction and cancer than cigarette smokers.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Niccotine is nootropic, anti-viral, and testosterogenic. You can just use snus or gum or patches though. (Most gums are full of shit. Vaporisers are theoretically good but most vapes use cheap alloys for the ultrasonic that disintegrate into metal dust and most juices are full of shit. Alp and Zyn are fine brands.)

Aidan says:

We spent a million years of evolution sitting around fires inhaling smoke. Go camping- the campfire is going to be harder on your lungs than smoking cigs. Inhaling smoke is not great for you, but obviously doesn’t severely damage your lifespan. Smoking irritates your lungs, causing chronic inflammation, which can get bad in those who smoke too much. The additives they put in commercial cigarettes to make them burn faster and cleaner are probably bad for you, and I smoke unadulterated pipe tobacco that I roll into cigarettes to avoid this. Cigarettes started “causing cancer” after they started putting carcinogens in food, water, and cigarettes. Greece and Japan smoke like chimneys and have low rates of lung cancer.

Cloudswrest says:

However, I’m inclined to believe that nicotine might actually be neuroprotective

Nicotine is neuroprotective against Parkinson’s disease. It is also protective against ulcerative colitis. Although I read the therapeutic dose for the latter is intolerable to non-smokers.

Mossadnik says:

There’s no drug of any kind that can improve a person’s intelligence, and never will be, because intelligence is in your genes.

That’s, ummm, not the most logical sentence ever written in the English language. That intelligence is (primarily) genetic does not mean that nootropics do not exist; it certainly does not mean that they can never exist. And as a matter of fact, various substances are known — or at least claimed; I tend to strongly believe some of the claims — to induce neurogenesis, dendritogenesis, synaptogenesis, and other such jargon. You are… le wrong.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

That intelligence is (primarily) genetic does not mean that nootropics do not exist

True in the abstract theoretical sense, but not in the sense of how nootropics generally claim to work, with the mechanism of action always being related to metabolism, or free radicals, or protection against some vague description of neurotoxicity, etc. Things that could possibly be interpreted, in just the right light, to affect cognition on a temporary basis, but not produce lasting changes to intelligence.

And as a matter of fact, various substances are known — or at least claimed; I tend to strongly believe some of the claims — to induce neurogenesis, dendritogenesis, synaptogenesis, and other such jargon.

The majority of clinical claims I’ve heard revolve around restoring lost or damaged brain function, not boosting it beyond one’s natural capacity in the same sense that anabolic steroids can cause real supraphysiological changes to muscle tissue, nerves and stem cells. To the extent that any nootropics claim the effects you describe, I am skeptical of those claims, and even more skeptical of whether they truly correspond to changes in real intelligence.

A persistent problem in muscle biology and sports nutrition has been an incorrect equivalency between “muscle protein synthesis” and “muscle mass or strength gain”, with far too many studies demonstrating the former, while implying but actually failing to demonstrate the latter. These various “geneses” could very well be the same thing; the brain is a complex organ and we really have no idea what the effect of a new neuron is, whether that neuron really sticks around or just displaces something else or gets flushed out due to homeostasis, etc.

Anecdotal reports are always going to be completely untrustworthy because there are too many substances that either (a) cause changes in perception that merely lead one to believe in an increased intellectual capacity, such as cocaine, or (b) induce temporary changes in focus and concentration that can give an edge in certain “intellectual” tasks without actually improving base intelligence, such as caffeine or amphetamines.

You are… le wrong.

I await le proof. (Wee-p-ists need not apply.)

Cloudswrest says:

Claiming the sole definition of “nootropic” is to cause (semi)permanent enhancement of the brain sounds like strawman definition to me. Any and all of the following things count as a nootropic.

1. Enhances brain health
2. Reduces brain deterioration
3. Enhances mental performance, whether acutely or chronically.

Many substances acutely enhance mental performance, including nicotine. Even replacing Nitrogen in the air with Helium increases sobriety and alertness. Nitrogen has a narcotic effect at “high” pressure (as any diver knows). But they’ve discovered that even at normal atmospheric pressure, replacing Nitrogen in the air with Helium has a small by measurable “sobering” effect.

Mossadnik says:

I’m really not well-versed in the science involved here, so I can’t competently refute any of your arguments. I’ll address this:

Anecdotal reports are always going to be completely untrustworthy because there are too many substances that either (a) cause changes in perception that merely lead one to believe in an increased intellectual capacity, such as cocaine, or (b) induce temporary changes in focus and concentration that can give an edge in certain “intellectual” tasks without actually improving base intelligence, such as caffeine or amphetamines.

My own anecdotal report would be a whole lotta ketamine “trips” (it’s not exactly a classic trip), which I believe have permanently increased my intelligence, or otherwise improved my cognition in the broadest sense; I have no real way of proving that on teh internetz, so everyone should feel free to discount and dismiss; but personally I’m absolutely certain that something (possibly many things, not necessarily even strictly related to “intelligence”) in my brain has changed for the better as a result of K use.

Make of that what you will, as they say.

Cloudswrest says:

Speaking of the brain, people often point to the cerebral cortex as the most complex part of the brain, but I have a theory that, architecturally, it is probably the simplest. It seems to me that it is simply a massively parallel resource engine. It is simple in the same sense that a memory array chip is architecturally simpler than a microprocessor chip, even though a memory array chip might have many more transistors. And the more you have of it, the better. How else can a person have a cerebral stroke, or even a gunshot, and then partially recover even though the affected regions of the brain remain destroyed? The brain simply reallocates cerebral resources from other regions. This would seem to be impossible unless the other regions were similar. But if one sustains brain damage in so called “primitive” or “reptilian” regions of the brain, you’re a goner!

Also, how else could it have so rapidly evolved in humans unless it was simply a case of “more is better” rather than having to evolve all sorts of architectural enhancements. If it is simply a case of “more is better” then it would seem to me to be feasible to develop drugs that enhance brain growth in youth or fetal development.

The Cominator says:

Mossadnik there is apparently indeed some evidence that the spice at least if its used the right way does indeed expand consciousness.

https://studyfinds.org/psychedelic-cognitive-boost/

Mossadnik says:

Yep. I believe it’s been known for several years that certain psychedelic substances bring about (or can potentially bring about) significant mental improvements, if used properly. Usually the focus among researchers is on the classic stuff, and indeed, I’ve done shrooms and LSD… but for me, ketamine (that I prepare at home from a veterinary vial; don’t buy powder, you have no idea what they’re putting in there) really has done wonders. Granted, as I always warn the audience, it’s not for everyone; but to those who are willing to plunge into the abyss and come back to tell, man, it really does simply work.

A caveat though; don’t post while on anything – people might conclude that you’re actually just totally bonkers. A friend told me. 😉

Neurotoxin says:

If there were a hack that increases intelligence and

1. is simple
2. doesn’t have counteracting costs

evolution almost certainly would have already found it.

Jim says:

The obvious counteracting cost is brain energy consumption. Cooked food and bone marrow were the criticial enabling technologies that enabled larger brains in humans. If there is a smart pill that increases brain metabolism, it probably works. If it does not, then it either does not work, or has countervailing disadvantages.

Mossadnik says:

Well Neuro, as Shpongle would say,

That is so weird.

Well, y’know, it’s like this experience that I had was like, y’know, erm, it was kind of the most profound experience I’ve had in me life, like.

I am a shaman, magician
The sun is purple
3D dimensions
I am for mental extensions.

You know the mind has a thousand eyes.

Oohh, Que Terror!

But what do they know, right?

Daddy Scarebucks says:

If there is a smart pill that increases brain metabolism, it probably works.

This sounds like it is inverting cause and effect. Higher muscle mass requires a higher metabolism, and higher brain mass requires a higher metabolism, but simply raising one’s metabolism does not increase muscle mass, and is not going to increase brain mass or intellectual capacity.

Basically, you can’t push a string. Doing a lot of aerobic exercise will raise one’s metabolic rate, but decrease muscle mass instead, because the body wants to move to a lower-energy state and big muscles are inefficient for aerobic activities. It is very likely going to be the same thing with these nootropics claiming to raise brain metabolism or somesuch. They probably don’t work at all, and if they do work, may actually cause damage.

But I think they simply don’t work. Nature has clearly given us a way to add muscle mass and increase physical strength; anabolic steroids, exogenous testosterone and other “tweaks” simply accelerate the process or allow it to grow beyond normal limits. There is no known natural technique for adding brain mass or increasing g in any way we can objectively measure, which makes it highly unlikely for there to be anything that a drug can amplify or accelerate.

I obviously can’t prove it’s impossible, but the balance of probability puts this far into the “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” realm, and we have seen no such evidence. Anecdotal reports have to be rejected by default here; when it comes to strength, the iron does not and cannot lie, but people lie to themselves constantly about their own intelligence and productivity, and in general one’s perception does not match reality at all. The closest thing would probably be an IQ test, and putting aside the obvious methodological issues with that, including observer bias and false positives, we have yet to see even a weak demonstration of one of these drugs raising IQ test scores beyond the very modest one-time increase that tends to come from repeated test-taking.

I concur with Neurotoxin’s razor here; if these effects existed, nature would have figured them out already. Energy requirements aren’t the issue because our anatomy is already extremely well-adapted to deal with changing energy requirements and availability. Also, if the drugs worked then they would be banned in half the world and mandatory in the other half. “You only use 10% of your brain” was made up out of thin air, and all current evidence suggests that intelligence in the individual is fixed, not variable. We can only improve intelligence as a racial/species metric, across many generations.

Jim says:

> This sounds like it is inverting cause and effect. Higher muscle mass requires a higher metabolism, and higher brain mass requires a higher metabolism, but simply raising one’s metabolism does not increase muscle mass, and is not going to increase brain mass or intellectual capacity.

To economise energy use, at any time a large proportion of one’s brain is in low power mode. This is somewhat analogous to those laptops that deliver considerably lower performance when running on battery than when plugged in.

Neurotoxin says:

“this experience that I had was like, y’know, erm, it was kind of the most profound experience I’ve had in me life, like.
I am a shaman, magician”

Mossadnik, I am seconding Alf in appealing to you to stay away from recreational pharmaceuticals. They have become an all-too-seductive demon for you.

– – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

“if the drugs worked then they would be banned in half the world and mandatory in the other half.”

LOL. It’s funny, as they say, because it’s true.

Mossadnik says:

Mossadnik, I am seconding Alf in appealing to you to stay away from recreational pharmaceuticals. They have become an all-too-seductive demon for you.

I’ve actually been totally clean of any and all mind-altering substances, well, except beer, ever since the good Archbishop made that suggestion (which was around a month ago), and I intend to keep at it for at least several more months.

(Also: I am a shaman, magician…)

In all seriousness though, my craziest posts were not K-influenced but, indeed, the result of the Devil’s Weed. It’s fun and everything, but it does (temporarily) screw up your reality testing, and it’s probably disrespectful toward the innocent, blameless audience to post while stoned out of one’s mind; after all, posting is a serious business.

So, yeah, I’ll keep that in mind. Y’know, the mind that has a thousand eyes

Daddy Scarebucks says:

To economise energy use, at any time a large proportion of one’s brain is in low power mode. This is somewhat analogous to those laptops that deliver considerably lower performance when running on battery than when plugged in.

I’ll see your CPU analogy and raise you a GPU analogy. The brain is divided into a large number of highly specialized functional areas: sensory processing (different regions for different senses), motor skills and equilibrium, memory and recall, emotion, object recognition, language and so on; and in the specific case of humans, a large portion thought to be responsible for all higher reasoning, logic, planning, creativity and so on.

This is rather less like a CPU parking some cores and/or downclocking itself, and more like the separate shader units, ray tracing cores, video engines, tensor units, memory and cache of a modern graphics card; these are all or mostly individually small, massively parallelized, and most importantly of all, incapable of performing each other’s functions. You simply cannot run generic shaders on the raytracing cores, it is not random unused spare capacity when playing a game or encoding a video; you either run raytracing on them or you run nothing.

If you have a powerful GPU and are running nothing but the OS, then the GPU will consume almost no power and exhaust almost no heat. But this does not mean the GPU’s architecture can be changed on a whim, or that its maximum capacity can be increased, or that if you are using 100% of the tensor cores for some machine learning project then you can recruit some shader cores to improve throughput. Low power means that the components designed to do specific things happen not to be doing much of those things at the moment. There is never any need to inform the GPU “I need more power”, it will use as much power as it needs to perform the functions that are requested of it. The notion of increasing power consumption without increasing load doesn’t even make sense.

If parts of the brain are not very active, it just means you are not performing tasks that need them. You cannot recruit the language center to solve difficult math problems or spatial rotations – if you could, then you’d probably end up with the same outcome as asking ChatGPT to do it, and getting an answer that looks vaguely plausible and is completely wrong.

Someone’s going to want to quibble about clock speeds, or something, but that’s where the analogy breaks down, because the brain does not run on a synchronized clock, and the speed at which neurons fire, if we can even measure the speed, which I’m not sure is actually possible due to bizarre quantum effects, isn’t really a big factor in this incomprehensibly massively parallelized system compared to how many there are and how interconnected they are. And even if there were some way to add to the mass, there isn’t really much room to do so, since the cranial cavity is surrounded by inflexible bone and any physical contact between the squishy insides and the outer wall equals very very bad news for the owner.

Empirically, being able to solve problems “faster” is the same thing as being “smarter”, and this all correlates with the amount of stuff in the brain, and its composition, not the velocity of some tiny moving parts, nor the supply of energy which is constrained by demand and not vice versa.

It’s clearly not something people want to hear, but we are stuck with our intellectual capacity like we are stuck with our DNA. If something is broken and preventing you from performing at capacity, then sure, maybe some drug out there can fix that; but if your brain is healthy, then a little chemistry isn’t going to supercharge it. Limitless was a fun movie but as of today it is still fiction.

Jim says:

Your argument also leads to the conclusion that there is no such thing as performance mode and battery life mode on laptops.

In reviews of laptops I routinely see them running a performance test in power mode and battery mode, and reporting a substantial difference.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Your argument also leads to the conclusion that there is no such thing as performance mode and battery life mode on laptops.

How does my response that battery-saving mode on a laptop is not a practical analogy for human intelligence lead to, or in any way imply, the conclusion that battery-saving mode does not exist?

Of course it exists, but a CPU with a discrete synchronous digital clock and 8-16 independent yet structurally and functionally identical cores simply doesn’t model a biological organ composed of 100 billion interconnected neurons all firing in parallel and on a continuous timeline, and organized into highly specialized non-interchangeable regions.

They just aren’t the same thing, or similar things. Power-saving mode works by underclocking, throttling or disabling cores, etc., and no such effects have ever been observed in the human brain. Were someone to claim that drugs can increase the flow of neuron signals like opening a faucet can increase the flow of water, the obvious response to that would be that the brain doesn’t resemble a plumbing fixture in any important way; so too is the case for a silicon CPU, or the laptop that’s running it.

Those devices have power-saving modes because the more cores are active, the higher the clock speed, the brighter the screen, and so on, the more energy is expended merely to hold things at their present state, and an organic brain does not have that problem in the first place; it is always running with the efficiency of “power saving mode” and the speed of “performance mode”, because the parts that aren’t being used show almost no electrical activity (i.e. efficiency) and the parts that are being used are immediately accessible and don’t have to sync to an external clock (performance). If we knew how to effectively build computers with fully asynchronous hardware, their power characteristics would be much closer to those of an organic brain, and they would not have power-saving modes.

Jim says:

> organized into highly specialized non-interchangeable regions.

A lot of the brain, like a lot of your laptop, is general purpose. People can lose a large chunk of their brain, and yet remain fully functional.

Some parts of the brain, if they go, the victim loses something highly specific, like the sighr of one eye, or the movement of one leg. But most of the brain, they do not.

Beow says:

That makes sense. I have heard the ‘drink water to avoid a hangover’ thing before but it never made a bit of difference for me so that is part of why I figured the dehydration thing was a myth. Also thinking of the sailors and others who lived long term on alcoholic drinks but I suppose those were very low percentage.
I found an article asserting that drinking is healthy and showing the smear campaign against it https://psmag.com/social-justice/truth-wont-admit-drinking-healthy-87891/
That being said alcoholics are FUCKED on about the level of hard drug users.

Jamesthe1st says:

Booze is fine, just remember the liver can only handle so much at a time so don’t overwealm it with frequency.

Anonymous Fake says:

Real men [*depiction of our hunter gatherer ancestors as politically correct faggots deleted*]

Jim says:

Stable isotope levels in the bones indicate our ancestors ate at the same trophic level or higher than wolves and lions.

Meaning they ate aurochs, and sometimes they ate wolves and lions. They probably ate head to tail, lots of organ meats. But yes, they ate aurochs, and they ate wooly mammoths.

They recorded their hunting on the walls of caves, and the story told by their bones is consistent with the story they told on the cave walls.

white bread says:

Real men also drive cars with internal combustion engines and manual transmission.

Fidelis says:

Electric motors are just better. Higher torque, instant acceleration, less maintenance needs. Problem is battery tech still sucks. Add a diesel generator for recharging and you should be set.

Ideally we should be sliding in those coated uranium rods and get insane milage at very low weight. However, you, dear reader, are a cow to be milked. Why would anyone allow you to have something like that? Just get back to work, and let the palace court eunuchs decide your fate.

Cerpon says:

Unless have get-off-the-rock tech, like within sooner-than-expected timeframe, then not enough resources at current population and consumption levels.

[*deleted for failure to conform to the moderation policy*]

Cloudswrest says:

I can’t speak for other people, but I did not buy my Tesla to save the planet. And I don’t give a shit how many darkies die in the Lithium mines. I bought it to reduce the stress in my life. Except for the tires, it’s virtually maintenance free.

No oil to change.

No oil to leak on the driveway.

No high pressure radiator to rust out and leak on the driveway, or blow the system while driving, or overheat. No water pump to fail.

No transmission to break (e.g. “reverse” is just running the motor backwards). Just paid $4Gs to have the transfer case in my daughter’s Nissan replaced.

No catalytic converter to have stolen. Have you ever tried to get a cat replaced in California? Good luck with that. CA requires “special” CA rated (and registered) cats. You can’t replace it with a generic cat.

No combustion fouling to worry about. Just paid another $4G to have another daughter’s VW direct injection intake decarbonized.

No PCV system to clog up.

No head gasket to pop and fill the cylinders with coolant. One teenage daughter has trashed two engines/cars this way.

The AC system is hermetically sealed, like a home AC, so there’s no o-ring type seals for refrigerant to eventually leak out of, like with pully driven compressors.

No biennial smog inspections to worry about.

Sports car acceleration without the f*cking headache of a turbo, waste gate, plumbing and intercooler.

Time to charge? 99% of my charging takes effectively ZERO time to charge because it’s doing it overnight in my garage while I’m sleeping. Except for occasional cross country trips, stopping at a filling station is history for me.

Regarding cross country trips, as long as the battery range is greater than my bladder range, I’m fine with it. And it’s not 1hr. At a Tesla supercharger it’s about 30 minutes. Barely enough time to walk across the parking lot to the Starbucks, piss, and get a cup of coffee. Driving from Northern to Southern California I only have to stop once for a fill up. The main Tesla “truck stop” for his is Harris Ranch due to the food, but there are pretty much Tesla superchargers everywhere.

Of course, if you live in a place with harsh winters, your “mileage” may vary, but I grew up in wintry climes. That’s why I now live in California.

Since the majority of the braking is regenerative, the brake pads and rotors effectively last for the life of the car.

I spent the last 40 years fixing my own cars, or shelling out big bucks to mechanics. I’m f*cking tired of it. There are over 2000 moving parts in the drive train of an ICE vehicle. There’s only about ~200 in an EV (and no combustion temperatures involved). Electric motors last. The fridge in my garage has been in continuous operation for 40 years now (I bought it new) and the compressor still runs perfectly.

I might consider buying a special purpose ICE vehicle for things like hauling or towing (or maybe something old (pre-1960) for easy maintenance). But for daily driving I’m never buying another ICE vehicle again.

white bread says:

Yes, you make some valid points. IC engines have more mechanical complexity and so are more likely to fail.

However, in your advertising for electric toy cars you forgot to mention one little detail. You don’t own your electric toy car. The car is controlled by computers and firmware that you can’t touch. And just like your so called “smartphone” your “smartcar” is spying on you 24/7. Furthermore the car can be trivially instructed to only go to places selected by the manfucaturer, can be trivially instructed to not move at all if the authorities so decide. Et cetera.

Cloudswrest says:

Same with new ICE cars too. This is not something unique to EVs.

Fidelis says:

If his case was personal freedom, he would have taken care to mention vehicles amenable to terrain not covered in asphalt and full of obvious travel chokepoints. No one is safe from uncle sam in a normal consumer vehicle, proprietary firmware or not. Though I do agree the level of invasiveness is excessive. I should be able to swap out for whatever software/firmware I want, and easily deny over the air updates. It’s why I won’t be buying an EV until it gets commoditized to the point they cannot get away with controlling you after the sale.

Cloudswrest says:

The main complaint I’ve heard regarding Tesla is with salvage vehicles. If the car is reported as totaled by the insurance company Tesla turns off all support. The car is still drivable (after any necessary repairs) but there are no more updates, no FSD, and supercharging no longer works, even with 3rd parties. You’re limited to 240VAC “destination charging” which takes many hours. I’ve heard rumors that theoretically you can get the vehicle “recertified” by Tesla, but the scuttlebutt is people don’t seem to have much luck with this.

Hazbruner says:

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Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

As far as tactical mobility goes, differences between tyres can make a huge difference in ratios of go vs no-go zonage on the map. Eg, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8DRIbF2P0Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTxxiYcDvQU

The most common factors that take mechanized assets out of the fight are not enemy action, but mechanical breakdowns and mobility limitations[1]. A vehicle defeated by the terrain or by itself is still a casualty all the same.

The primary mobility limitations are getting bogged down in mud or snow, followed by getting a flat torn by a rock, followed by crashing the vehicle because you slipped or rolled on a rainy day, followed by never leaving the garage because it’s too costly.

Mobility in mud and snow is above all longitudinal traction limited; you can’t move if your wheels are slipping and digging instead of rolling and paddling naturally.

Mobility over gravelly terrain is durability limited; people don’t stuck because of wheel slip, they get stuck when the carcass splits open.

Mobility on wet roads is primarily limited by lateral traction; rain doesn’t exactly stop anyone from getting rolling if they want to, but sudden loss of grip during maneuvers at speed can lead to a meeting with a ditch or tree rather than your appointment, and that certainly *does* stop you from rolling.

Finally, mobility limitations on that remarkable terrain known as ‘dry pavement’ is largely a matter of rolling resistance and tread life; if the tires you have on a vehicle mean reasons to take it out for a drive have steeper slopes of justification for the budget, this too is a mobility limitation.

In the market for tires advertised as ‘all terrain’ 4 lug and 5-3 lug patterns are endemic. Which I think is a great example of how important philosophical choices are to designing an effective product, because while knobbly tread patterns can be good for gravel traction, unless you are planning on doing some time attack rally racing, traction on gravel is not one of the most salient optimization targets since it is not a primary limiting factor in mobility. People don’t get stuck on rocky roads because they lack traction, they get stuck because their sidewall got tore open by a rock. Furthermore, many AT branded tyres use softer compounds for much the same reasons, enhancing traction over gravel and rock crawling. You see winning teams at King of the Hammers run Nitto Trail Grapplers not because they grip rock the best, but because they are practically solid steel coated in compound. Mobility on hardpack is durability limited rather than traction limited, and so optimizations for hardpack traction can mean compromises in other areas that are more relevant; like traction in mud and or snow and or rain, or tread life and rolling resistance, and so on. BF Goodrich KO’s are perhaps an archetypical example of this, having both people singing its praises for ability to run trails (usually hypothetically since most buy ATs for looks), yet at the same time a disturbing propensity for early tread wear or compound disintegration before the warranty, and frankly terrifying hocky-puck-like behavior on wet surfaces.

At the same rate, if you *do* plan on doing weekend warrior rally raids, unless you also plan on shelling out for specially made hoosiers, people are kinda up shit creek when it comes to tyre selection. Pretty much none of the major brands offer tyres in ‘car’ sizes with the durability to go overlanding in the common market.

There has been a recent trend in many all-weather tyre designs more optimized for snow traction converging on aggressive directional herringbone tread patterns, which is coincidentally very reminiscent of old school mud boggers or ag pattern tractor tyres. I’m probably not the only one who’s had the morbid curiosity to see how well they could go through loose surfaces off road as well, test wet dirt traction and hard gravel durability like you’re running a special stage. You know, hypothetically, for science.

Something like the Continental ASC2 or Michelin CC2 made with steel sidewalls would be really interesting to jerry rig on your boosted GR Corolla for outrunning enemy artillery.

[1](The other major mobility issue is high centering, laterally or longitudinally, which is partly solved by higher ground clearance from taller wheels, portal axles, longer suspension travel, skid plates, and primarily solved by having points of traction over the centers of gravity. Tracked vehicles do this laterally, and bicycles do this longitudinally, but the genius who operationalizes a 5 or 7 or 9 wheel base platform that covers front middle back and side middle side has yet to appear.)

Hazbruner says:

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Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

There is a proprietary interest in being able to service and modify your machines, surveying a universe of options and being able to pick the best ones and get tangible performance gains, which is largely absent with most EVs.

Of course most car makers in general have been getting worse with this over time, which is so much the worse for them, but EV makers still tend to take the cake when it comes to egregiousness.

The things is though, Elon himself should know better. I believe I recall him once saying, when asked how much of what SpaceX did was patented, that ‘patents were for the weak’. It should be obvious how broadly the concept this touches on applies as a general principle. I can only imagine the mainspring comes from spiritual contamination from silly-con valley transplants who crossed over to the company.

Teslas are highly blackboxed. And did this stop Chinese manufacturers from copying them? Absolutely not. So end users were disempowered, and you get less than nothing for it in exchange to boot.

Touhou is immortal and outgrew and outlived countless intellectual properties in the weeamedia sphere, because it facilitated a universe of ‘aftermarket support’ and they didn’t. The AR-15 platform is immortal and outgrew and outlived countless other patterns, because it facilitated a universe of ‘aftermarket support’ and they didn’t.

Happens every time. You will be hard pressed to find a single example anywhere where disempowering users paid off more than empowering users. And when you write it out like that the answer becomes obvious doesn’t it. People who fear power spread poverty, including and especially themselves, and people who appreciate power spread prosperity, including and especially others.

Cloudswrest says:

Ideally we should be sliding in those coated uranium rods

Ideally, PU-238 powered stirling engines, turning a small generator, keeping your batteries topped off 12/7, would be the way to go.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Designers used electric transmission for getting power from the motor to the traction nearly a century ago in battleships and locomotives, because it simplified layout, was less sensitive to battle damage (disturbed prop shafts tearing through bulkhead glands has doomed more than a few men-o-war throughout history), and had other useful features for traction.

When Audi developed a vehicle for winning the Dakar overland rally, they named it after a battery electric suv they sell (E-Tron RS), and they called it ‘electrically powered’, but if you read through the fine print you’ll notice the primary power source is not a battery but a fuel oil engine. Manufacturers today sometimes euphemistically call these ‘power converters’, ‘range extenders’, or ‘serial hybrids’ in deference to the gaia daemon, but this is technically a misnomer since there is only one form of transmission between power source and traction, not two or more. It is the same concept in principle as all the diesel-electric and turbo-electric drive trains of yore.

Fuel oil is generally much more logistically efficient than batteries for power storage, and electric transmission is generally much more convenient for traction than mechanical transmission (hydraulic transmission is theoretically similar), so it just makes sense to use them together, and there are few to no good reasons we don’t see it used more often today.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

That is performative masculinity, not real masculinity. Red meat has real physiological effects on both the mind and body.

If you’re the sort of person who loves to brag to all your buddies about how well you can work the shaft, well, good for you. I’ll be walking in the other direction, thanks.

There are of course a thousand and one excellent arguments in favor of the internal combustion engine. The left wants to criminalize it because it is a cheap and efficient method of transportation, it represents innovation and productivity and upward mobility and these are things they hate. The ICE is good and great, but there is nothing especially “manly” about it aside from the fact that it was devised and produced by men, like every other technological innovation.

(OK, I guess we could argue that the roar of a powerful engine is also a literal pussy magnet, which makes it masculine in the very crudest and basest sense, but if that’s where you’re coming from, then the manual transmission adds nothing to the equation.)

Grizz says:

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Anonymous Fake says:

[*deleted*] a safe, walkable city where range isn’t a problem. [*deleted*]

Jim says:

The people who told us we should live in safe walkable cities infested those cities with racial minority, and if a brown illegal immigrant assaults or murders a white taxpayer, he will probably only spend a day or so in jail. As a result, walkable cities where range is not a problem are far too dangerous.

If we want safe walkable cities, we need public hangings, or, better still, suspend criminals on meat hooks to die slowly.

And walkable does not do you much good if there are no shops to walk to, because the shopkeepers stock walks. If you want a walkable city where you can walk to the shops, you have to deal with shoplifters Singapore style. Or better, Afghan style.

Varna says:

Once the 1990s passed, and most Slavs cut back on acting like niggers, many EE cities became quite livable and walkable. With some luck, especially in a town under half a million, 90% of necessary shops and clinics and dental offices are between 10 and 30 minutes of walking away. As would be at least one pleasant park.

Incredibly, all this happened without kid trannification or speech crackdowns or anti-car mandates. Someone needs to alert globohomo that the template already exists.

For some reason this reminds me of the ancient cold war 1 joke about an American, a Frenchman, and a Russian discussing their modes of transportation to work, out of town, and abroad. When it’s the Russian’s turn, he says “to work I take the bus, out of town I drive my Lada, and to go abroad I get inside a T-72.”

Jim says:

If you allow people to build what they want, where they want it, and efficiently punish criminals, people will spontaneously build walkable cities, because shops want to be near customers, and employers want to be near employees. If town planners start planning, they build prisons for animals with temples to demons.

Varna says:

Slavic towns to a large extent are a mix.

First, old-school commie planning with neighborhoods being like an imitation of a utopian Ford industrial compound: here the workers live and sleep, here is the clinic, here is the kindergarten, here is the school, here is the park, here is the shop, here is the eatery, here is the football field. All within walking distance. Nothing works properly, because communism, but the material foundation is there. It’s just ran like crap.

Then, after circa 1990, market forces and free movement kick in, and the inherited framework gets adapted to actual real human needs with a more flexible superstructure growing on top. More shops and cafes and eateries open, new buildings are built, drugstores and clinics compete with each other, a new layer of shifting infrastructure atop the old-school state-planned logistical scaffold.

Except the “old town” parts, of course, where they’ve survived. There it’s more spontaneous since forever.

Likewise in many parts of mainland China. No doubt other places in East Asia too, where either the old towns have been destroyed in war, or completely new cities arose after independence.

A working combination of a planned initial matrix, and then free growth on top can indeed work out pretty well. As long as neither the original planners, nor the new growers/adapters, are irredeemable psychopaths and diabolists.

Everyone loves red meat. Even vegetarians love it; they just don’t admit it.

Lots of protein and lots of iron. Make you strong like bull.

The Cominator says:

I swear truthfully I do not.

Karl says:

Most men have more iron than is good for them. Try to get rid of it and limit your intake, e.g. enjoy your red meat with some red wine

Neurotoxin says:

Hear, hear. A good juicy steak with a bold, robust red wine is wonderful.

Anonymous Fake says:

PD Mangan is right about iron, yes. “Dumping Iron”. Buy foods that haven’t been “enriched” and give blood. [*usual mininfo deleted yet again*]

Jim says:

Sound advice on iron. But you keep pushing the Tim Walz masculinity model “My masculinity intimidates Maga voters”.

Tim Walz is a court eunuch, and you keep attributing his androgynity to the manly men of our past.

Bwana Simba says:

Steak is amazing. Every bite is a gift from God. The sheer pleasure of even a bite of a less than stellar steak is pure dopamine.

Mossadnik says:

Wisdom of Solomon 16:

20 Instead of which things thou didst feed thy people with the food of angels, and gavest them bread from heaven prepared without labour; having in it all that is delicious, and the sweetness of every taste.

21 For thy sustenance shewed thy sweetness to thy children, and serving every man’s will, it was turned to what every man liked.

Entrecôte! Entrecôte! Entrecôte!

The Cominator says:

BTW as far as all the faggots who claimed Trump is going to start a war in the Middle East Trump apparently vetoed an attack on Iran with Vance and Tulsi also speaking strongly against it.

Sporadic Commenter says:

Between that, standing firm against the DC judge, and getting ever closer to taxing and defunding Harvard, it has been an encouraging last few days.

Jim says:

The breadtube hysterics about him standing firm against the judge are wonderful to behold.

Humungus says:

Greetings again,

Humungus likes to charcoal BBQ a delicious porterhouse or t-bone cut of angus steak frequently and whenever he can. The dessert is a perfect climate for outdoor cooking.

I also go a day or more without eating. You may refer to it as fasting. I call it going without.

Oog en Hand says:

The higher races, whites and Asians, need patriarchy to succesfully reproduce. That means that an even higher race, Ashkenazi Jews, needs patriarchy even more. Compare the birthrates of Lev Tahor to that of B’Tselem, Meretz and Avodah.

Mossadnik says:

I gave up on being the Second Coming partly upon realizing that “whites and Asians” just will not restore patriarchy (both will collapse; both are collapsing), no matter how many thoughtful and provocative comments I post on Jim’s blog. I’ll just be Messiah ben Joseph and spiritually inspire the building of the Temple. Clearly only Orthodox Jews take patriarchy seriously, so even though I don’t subscribe to their religion, I accept that none is currently closer to the Mandate of Heaven than they are,
by a very wide margin. Eli was right, and I was wrong.

Mossadnik says:

On the current timeline, restoration of healthy social technology among “whites and Asians” will take about 50 years at the earliest. You don’t have that much time; the collapse is within the next 20. Just look at the demography. I tried really hard not to be an Ashkenazi Supremacist, but then look around, even in the Based Community some apparently much prefer getting sodomized by BAP and his ilk than heeding my message. Well, let them have their sodomites and their below replacement TFR; Psalm 37:10 says:

For yet a little while and the wicked shall be no more; Indeed, you will look carefully for his place, But it shall be no more.

And so it is with entire societies that simply lost their survival instincts. I tried to awaken them, but all I get — in thread after thread — is endless comments by envious and spiteful retards whose bruised egos won’t permit the gospel to percolate, but “muh Jooooooooooos.” Then whatever! Enjoy getting sodomized by BAP. In a short while your civilization will be gone forever. I tried to prevent it, but apparently it’s the will of God.

Jim says:

> restoration of healthy social technology among “whites and Asians” will take about 50 years at the earliest.

Patriarchy among Japanese was ended overnight. It can be restored overnight.

The Australian experience is also somewhat relevant. They got a boatload of women who had been raised in a patriarchal society, but they were sent to Australia because rebel women and separated from their families, so behaved like spring break in Cancun on the shores of port Jackson. The authorities were initially paralysed and discombobulated, then they came down on them like a ton of bricks. They were then immediately hit with a massive shit test, passed it, and thereafter precisely zero female sexual misconduct.

Fidelis says:

It can be restored overnight.

Complex things like social pathways are delicate and can be destroyed far more quickly and easily than they can be developed. You can install the legal forms of patriarchy overnight, but the many folkways that have eroded and died since then will take at least another generation to become self sustaining. You’ll have to do it at gunpoint, such as in Australia, and that requires a lot of men with guns who understand what it is they are even enforcing.

Mossadnik says:

Patriarchy among Japanese was ended overnight. It can be restored overnight.

In an ethnically and religiously homogeneous country, that may be true. But as you pointed out previously, that is no longer the case in America. Now, I can hear the voice of Saint P-C saying, “You can just do things.” True enough. But then it begs the question: just what ethnic and religious composition American society should have? To answer that is to know how and where to proceed forward with the Restoration. If, for instance, JD Vance were to assume the throne, then the Trad-Caths would undoubtedly cheer; but the WASP majority might have some reservations. Or, alternatively, you go with a plurality of healthy faiths — a coalition of the Trads, so to speak — but then you can’t really expect that to happen overnight and/or go smoothly. As Fidelis points out above, and likewise as Yarvin is fond of saying, you need to know exactly were you are headed if you earnestly intend to get there. What is America’s true religion? Do Based Christians still exist in the real world (in sufficient numbers), or have they been a figment of my fantasy all along? That may well be the quintessential question; the different faiths furnish varying social technologies.

Ironic that I, of all posters, should say that, but Europe at least has Islam. That, however, is irrelevant for America and the Western Hemisphere more broadly. Perhaps Contaminated NEET will get the last, sardonic laugh.

Jim says:

> If, for instance, JD Vance were to assume the throne, then the Trad-Caths would undoubtedly cheer; but the WASP majority might have some reservations.

The gap between those Christians that are supposedly Catholics, but are actually Christians, and those Christians that are supposedly Lutherans, but actually Christians, is insignificant.

The gap between postchristian Catholics and postChristian lutherans is also insignificant, because they are all woke.

The country is splitting on religious lines orthogonal to the existing Churches. Another great awakening is happening.

Do based Christians exist in significant numbers? Does not look like it yet. But based zoomers exist in significant numbers, and I am seeing an orthodoxy setting in that if you are based, it is a good idea to at least somewhat pass as a based Christian.

Trump understands he needs a state religion, hence the White House observance of Easter.

For a long time pastors figured that if they wanted to get ahead, and avoid having their Church burned down and their bank accounts frozen, it was a good idea to preach against husbands, marriage, masculinity, patriarchy, and in favor of transgenderism. Now they are thinking that if they want a White House invitation, it is a good idea to be based. I think we will see a whole lot of based Christians coming out of the woodwork.

Mossadnik says:

Likely the Restoration will require a lot of “fake it till you make it,” in that while many of those based zoomers are not authentically Christian, they should be willing to embrace and publicly adhere to Christianity. However, the problem with faking it till you make it is that it’s an unstable course of action (it truly helps to sincerely believe your own stuff), and just as importantly, it will take a generation or two to raise that one generation for whom it won’t be merely a LARP. The other problem for Americans is at least narrowing down this broad category called “Christianity” to — if not any specific church — then at least a “right type” of the faith, to wit: 1660 Anglicanism. That might actually require a Grand Inquisitor. At any rate, the silly and misleading notion of “separation between church and state” will have to be discarded for good. The public will need to be clear on the fact that there (always and everywhere) is a state religion, whatever it ends up being in Restoration America. This all might be a Herculean task, but then again, like Christ Himself, Christianity has a penchant for coming back from the dead. Deus Vult!

Jim says:

I was faking it and God intervened. Based pastors are claiming there is a whole lot of that going on.

But this blog is about reaction, not evangelism. If people sense that the admin is Christian, The churches will converge to based Christianity. The Churches are dying because converged to woke postChristianity. If based, will recover.

white bread says:

>an even higher race, Ashkenazi Jews

Fucking hilarious. In reality the ashke nazi joos are mongrels containing white and arab components, and who knows what other crap.

Mossadnik says:

Do consider reading the book “The 10,000 Year Explosion” by Gregory Cochran and Henry Harpending.

Oog en Hand says:

Hybrid vigor. They were bred for intelligence, centuries long. I can know, because I am even more intelligent than the average Ashkenazi.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Hybrid vigor is an enemy meme with negative evidential correlation in reality. There was selection for wordceldom, not world-formation capcity, which resulted in much fatuous sophistry but little substantive good by comparison.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

This take is doubly ironic also since ashkenazim are one of the few humanoid species that actually do have some problems with heterozygosity from limited breeding pools.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Not to the point you can’t solve such issues by patriarchs having enough children they can afford to be selective about who they marry off or leave the inheritance to, but enough where you can see certain phenomena phenomena start to be noticeable. (Even the smallest major humanoid pop groups still number in the tens of thousands, and hence totally incommensurate situations from problems like someone trying to grow a rare dog breed that our later day mattoids like to ignorantly parrot.)

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Incidentally, this touches on yet another vector by which gnostics are spiritually demented against inheritance; it is obviously a great advantage for the people of a society, and if one member of the clan proves to be a bad egg and is disinherited, this effectively cuts them out from running in the same circles as their previous peers and greatly reduces reproductive success; thus, is means by which fathers and husbands direct and distributively effect eugenic social policy in a polity; which makes the progroid policy of destroying social technology in the name of ‘meritocracy’ especially ironic, since of course the whole intention is to accomplish just the opposite; the gnostic hates it, because they personally identify as just the sort of person who would be rightfully disinherited.

Mossadnik says:

I’ve long suspected that there might be far greater phenotypic heterogeneity among Ashkenazim than most geneticists and/or ideologues would have one believe. That, rather than “hybrid vigor,” is the evolutionarily advantageous aspect; it allows for better adaptation to a changing environment. Ashkenazim are not a niche, but more like a collection of interrelated niches, which under the best circumstances should be working in symbiosis, though that is often not the case. This allows for multifarious types of intelligence. Perhaps, e.g., the rabbinic niche and the money-lender niche both select for wordceldom; but the variation is pronounced enough to be noticeable.

Regardless, high intermarriage rates with non-Jews in America and moderate intermarriage rates with colorful Jews in Israel have made the newest crops of (what passes for) Ashkenazim a true hodgepodge. Within certain limits, diversity is a strength; provided a common denominator allowing for successful cooperation persists.

Mossadnik says:

By the way White Bread, remember our previous exchange?

Ah oops what’s this?

The US is prepared to recognize Russian control of the Ukrainian region of Crimea as part of a broader peace agreement between Moscow and Kyiv, according to people familiar with the matter.

The potential concession is the latest signal that President Donald Trump is eager to cement a ceasefire deal, and comes as he and Secretary of State Marco Rubio suggested on Friday that the administration is prepared to move on from its peace-brokering efforts unless progress is made quickly.

Crimea was taken by the Kremlin in 2014 following an invasion and subsequent referendum held under occupation, and the international community has resisted recognizing the peninsula as Russian to avoid legitimizing the illegal annexation.

Doing so risks undermining international laws and treaties prohibiting the taking of land through use of force. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy has repeatedly said he will not cede territory to Moscow.

But the move would be a boon for Russian President Vladimir Putin, who has long sought international recognition of Russian sovereignty in Crimea. Putin so far has refused to agree to Trump’s proposal for a broad peace deal.

The people said a final decision on the matter hadn’t yet been taken. The White House and State Department did not respond to a request for comment. A US official familiar with the negotiations, asked about the possibility of recognizing Crimea, declined to comment on the details of the talks.

https://archive.is/uAZQE

“Muh neocons.”

As I said: Middle East for Europe.

Jim says:

There can be no peace till we have internationally recognised borders in the Ukraine, and until the Russian speaking plurality is adequately represented in the government of Rump Ukraine.

Putin is not going to accept a peace in which only Crimea is recognised.

He has a better option. Turn rump ukraine into a desolate empty wilderness.

Mossadnik says:

Putin is not going to accept a peace in which only Crimea is recognised.

Well, I assume that if Trump is willing to recognize Crimea as Russian, then recognizing Donbass as Russian really goes without saying.

Not a single actual American supports the Azov Regime; it has always been a CIA meme forced down society’s collective throat. Trump can recognize all of Eastern Europe as Russian (and he should) and no one outside the GAE-in-Exile glownigger network will care one bit. The Eurocucks will keep crying from their chastity cages, but that’s about it.

There will not be WWIII versus Russia.

Animus says:

Jews are not only a matriarchy, they’re essentially a race of women:

-They survive by deception and manipulation instead of strength, honesty, and self-sufficiency.
-They are obsessed with wealth and material possessions, and are highly superficial.
-They spread communism, feminism, and other leftist slave ideologies.
-They abandoned their Father, ran off with an abusive drug dealer (Satan), and have spiritual daddy issues.
-They are whiny and provocative, never accepting blame for anything.
-They are very rule-oriented, yet love to play language games.
-They sexually mutilate their male infants.
-They determine Jewishness matrilineally.
-They steal the surnames of their provider society.
-They select for wealth, humor, and sociopathy like a woman would, instead of attractiveness, moral purity like a man would.
-They send their women to breed with outsiders, instead of sending men like other races do.
-They are eternal parasites, and everyone else inevitably gets sick of their shit.

Thus the JQ and WQ can be combined in a Unified Theory of Judeo-Feminism.
Satan is female.

Mossadnik says:

Great, I triggered you out of the chemsex-bdsm dungeon so I can deliver the following message regarding BAP:

What this despicable faggot does to prey on vulnerable young men is that he posts various roided up bodybuilders to impress the audience, since his audience, men in their late teens and early twenties, particularly if they are virgins insecure about their own physique (many such cases), have a physique-building and looksmaxxing phase wherein they look up to various roidmaxxing muscular men for “inspiration.” This is alas far too common in this diseased and collapsing globohomo world.

What is subversive is BAP’s attempt to sneak in faggotry, that is gay homosexual faggot non-platonic “eroticism,” into this appreciation, via putting a gay spin on the bodybuilder images (and they are indeed gay; normal men don’t look like that), and interspersing them with images of hot women, in which BAP is obviously entirety uninterested, but which he uses to inflame sexual desire among the young men, as he seeks to subversively redirect their pent-up frustrated incel sexual energy towards the gay bodybuilders. Of course, being a mischling on top of everything, he does so with typically Jewish “plausible deniability.”

But it’s absolutely obvious that he is, like all of you Satan’s spawn, attempting to groom the young and mostly virgin men into “shifting” their sexuality from its natural telos, which is heterosexual as God manifestly and universally intended, to its inverted and diseased form, which is faggotry.

BAP is a gay groomer who needs to be roof’d, and no amount of pro-Jewish or anti-Jewish or any other kind of failed and pathetic misdirection will change that.

Poofs off roofs.

The Cominator says:

Now now BAP is an old online friend of mine from forums long ago. BAP seemingly has cured himself of the perversion via use of (female) prostitution. BAP is alright this guy probably doesn’t have much to do with BAP. The poster goes too far but he makes a real point in that the real problem with reform jews is matriarchy. I’ve personally witnessed having known some Jewish guys well (my friend Spiro seemed an exception he didn’t get bothered by his mother to the extent a lot of them did) tolerate a level of crap from their mothers that would have caused me to snap and murder mine at a rather young age.

Mossadnik says:

I haven’t checked Twitter in a while.

Is BAP’s feed still full of endless photographs of almost naked juiced-up young men?

If the answer is affirmative – what, in your view, could be the actual purpose? Who actually wants that kind of content?

The Cominator says:

From what I remember he did that one day a week and I don’t know. He has been able to make a career out of being a right wing shitposter so attacking him on grounds of selling what people aint’ buying is not the right way to attack him if you’re going to do it.

Hesiod says:

Perhaps when unrepentant sodomites are either splats or ensconced in closets, the West can unironically appreciate Frank Miller’s 300 aesthetic again.

Mossadnik says:

If his feed is still brimming with almost nude gay bodybuilders, then not only has he not personally cured himself of the disease, but he is in fact trying to infect his audience with the disease. Of course, in this day and age people may well tolerate it as they enjoy his ‘other’ content (whatever it actually is); but do honestly ask yourself if — when push comes to shove — a gay groomer will support the restoration of patriarchy and all that’s actually necessary to avert the collapse and lead civilization towards a healthy future.

Fidelis says:

That’s easy to answer. It triggers the swamp bugs, them being misshapen hyperestrogenic lumps of fat and soft bone, and triggers more people besides. I don’t know what his deal is currently, but he doesn’t seem to be doing any grooming, doesn’t run defense for faggotry. He is a bit blackpill in messaging on women, but he’s not encouraging anything abominable in it’s stead. BAP is just an impish bard, he should never be put in charge of propaganda, but unless he demonstrates further actual faggotry there doesn’t seem to be a good reason to give him a fall.

Mossadnik says:

I don’t know what his deal is currently, but he doesn’t seem to be doing any grooming, doesn’t run defense for faggotry.

All that was true previously also, in that, as far as I know, he never explicitly advocated for faggotry. Welp, I delivered my warning; should it go unheeded – not my anus, not my problem.

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A CERTAIN HOUSE was overrun with Mice. A Cat, discovering this, made her way into it and began to catch and eat them one by one. Fearing for their lives, the Mice kept themselves close in their holes. The Cat was no longer able to get at them and perceived that she must tempt them forth by some device. For this purpose she jumped upon a peg, and suspending herself from it, pretended to be dead. One of the Mice, peeping stealthily out, saw her and said, “Ah, my good madam, even though you should turn into a meal-bag, we will not come near you.”

Jim says:

> But it’s absolutely obvious that he is, like all of you Satan’s spawn, attempting to groom the young and mostly virgin men into “shifting” their sexuality from its natural telos, which is heterosexual as God manifestly and universally intended, to its inverted and diseased form, which is faggotry.

Bullshit.

This just set off my bullshit detector, so I finally took a look at Bronze Age Pervert’s output on X.

Looks fine to me. Straight reactionary promoting a new right wing aesthetic.

And looking at the cute girls and manly men depicted, it is completely obvious that he cured himself.

Bronze Age Pervert is artist rather than an ideologue. A long time ago, his art revealed he was a fag. Now it reveals he is cured.

Mossadnik says:

A long time ago, his art revealed he was a fag. Now it reveals he is cured.

Between the time his art revealed him as a fag, and the current time, has his artistic style undergone any significant change? What exactly is the nature of the change? I actually haven’t been following, so whoever has been following should certainly elaborate on that point; I’m sure everyone would like to know what signs and indicators are there that someone previously diseased is now cured.

Jim says:

> Between the time his art revealed him as a fag, and the current time, has his artistic style undergone any significant change?

Looked faggy, no longer looks faggy. That is a significant change.

Leftist artistic work is all normalising mediocrity, ugliness, and disgustingness — even children’s books illustrations. War on beauty. Leftist architecture is designed to crush and demoralise. The left wants to crush and demoralise. The new right artistic movement is fighting back against that, and Bronze Age Pervert is fighting back against that.

And part of fighting back is to depict handsome high achieving men. But there is an obvious difference between his depiction of handsome men and hot chicks. You see the women through the male gaze.

Alf says:

Not really an active follower, but my take on BAP is that while I can’t fault his political content – he calls out shills, protects Trump etc -, his spiritual content has always been off. He calls Christianity a fake trend, and whenever women are discussed he never makes more of them than breeding pods in a farm. And yes, too many naked men.

Each their own opinion of course, but I do get some ‘cat playing dead vibes’.

Jim says:

Yes, but Mossadnik’s criticism was over the top.

Yes, lot of things wrong Bronze Age Pervert. But he is not unconsciously selling faggotry, let alone intentionally selling it.

I think he was unintentionally and unconsciously selling faggotry, but he has not been doing that for a while.

Mossadnik says:

A person can, in theory, be privately gay without publicly posting an infinity of naked men to an audience of young right-wing incels. I believe that BAP is intelligent enough to understand the consequences of what he is doing, and yet he is still doing it, and has been for a long time. My take on him is that he is like the new Jack Donovan, only far more successful at feigning normalcy. And my take on his worldview, such as it is, is that its animating spirit is like that of the homosexuals who had taken over Counter-Currents, i.e., the now mostly dead White Nationalism blogosphere, and who then proceeded to turn WN into a gay and anti-Christian ideology (it absolutely need not be so, and prior to the hostile faggot takeover, it had not been so). Now, I generally try to spend as little mental energy as possible on men whose pride is in buggering the feces-filled crapholes of other men, but Analmus’ posts here always remind me of BAP, and of faggots I’ve had the misfortune of encountering IRL, since they all attempt the exact same “subtle” strategies to sneak in faggotry unto vulnerable young men.

A wolf in sheep’s clothing is still a wolf. He knows what he is doing, and I know what he is doing. So I fulfilled my duty and delivered the warning. Now my conscience is perfectly clear; I did my part for the community of people whom I value and appreciate. Beyond that, I really don’t care. If you guys believe that he is alright and perfectly innocent and totally devoid of subversive intentions, then by all means delight in his company, and see where that leads you.

Jim says:

> A person can, in theory, be privately gay without publicly posting an infinity of naked men to an audience of young right-wing incels. I

Bronze Age Pervert is not posting an infinity of naked men. I just checked his feed. Lots of hot chicks viewed through the male gaze.

Mossadnik says:

That’s great. I couldn’t care less about his private vices, such as they are/were, as long as they are indeed kept entirely private.

The true test, at any rate, will be after the tanks are in Harvard yard and the Christian American Right calls for investigating and finding an effective, permanent biological cure (or preventative measure) for the disease.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

You’d think the bugchasers would be all over ivermectin and or research into related compounds to deal with all the pathogens they pick up, but the fact that they are repelled by it like vampires from garlic engenders a suspicion that it deals shortly with the bug in the driver’s seat, too.

The hydra has many heads, a serpent that has been passing itself down from deep beyond written recollection.

Alf says:

I just checked his feed.

Of the 10 last ‘physique’ posts he has done, I count 9 almost naked men, 1 anime chick.

BAP is not exactly cutting off the right hand that caused him to sin.

Jim says:

I was counting his reposts, and counting his art generally.

Just checking the feed again:

Logo at top off feed. Faggot gaze. Implied male nudity, but no actual male nudity.
Wilderness repost
Manly man and hot anime chick in coastal scenery. Man appropriately dressed, chick sexily dressed, male gaze implied.
Hot anime chick and manly man engaging in implied male gaze. Man is in ordinary attire.
Nearly naked male, implied faggot gaze.
another the same
another the same
Hot anime chick, implied male gaze.
repost of appropriately dressed man in nature, hunting, fishing.
repost of appropriately dressed man subduing a criminal
Charles Darwin as saint and patriarch.
Underdressed male, faggot gaze.
Drawings and pictures of naked and underdressed women.
faggot ad
Hot near naked chick video
suggestively posed chick
Another anime chick.

OK, you are right. It is not nine out of ten, but it is far too many.

OK, I stand corrected.

Mossadnik says:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Hence sages of yore would say,

Not.

Even.

One.

niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeu ***kriiiiiikkkkkkk*

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Given the nearly equal mix of (attractive) women to (suspiciously sexualized) men, my conclusion would be that BAP’s current lifestyle is that of the anything-that-moves faggot or “bisexual”, as opposed to the pederastic faggot. Which is an incremental improvement, but not a full cure.

He might genuinely believe, in his own mind, that if the pictures/drawings of attractive women are sexualized, then why not the men as well? To which I would answer that his audience is men, not women, and even if there were women in his audience, women are not particularly visually-oriented in their sense of attraction. The primary audience for that type of content is fags.

Jim says:

In the days of our greatness, we depicted a great many handsome naked or near naked men. And there was nothing gay about that.

There is something gay about Bronze Age Pervert’s depictions. But he is still our guy.

Mossadnik says:

He might genuinely believe, in his own mind, that if the pictures/drawings of attractive women are sexualized, then why not the men as well?

Scarebucks, I did not expect you to be this naive. (Then again, you did not grow up in Tel Aviv, “the gay capital of the world.” Such pride!)

The gay groomer strategy, universally, is posing as “mostly straight, but with a slight fetish.” For that purpose, they might well post 90% heterosexual content (in which they will pretend, with varying degrees of success, to be interested; and in which they are absolutely not interested, not even a tiny little bit), and then interspersed between that, they will push gay stuff. And the gay stuff will not be too obvious; they always like to maintain plausible deniability and act “subtle.”

BAP knows that his followers are men; he tries to appeal to straight right-wing men; and he knows perfectly well that many of them are sexually frustrated, and possibly sexually confused. He understands it all perfectly good. In the first place, the erotic content is designed to inflame the viewer’s libido. This he achieves with the hot chicks. And then he sneaks in the gay stuff, under the guise of “hey, it is just physique to inspire you to body build. Hey, it is all platonic. But is it? Hehehe silly me, I’m so naughty, hehehe.” C’mon – is it not obvious? They all do that when seeking to subvert young, straight, sexually frustrated men.

The next step for the Alt-Right Gay Groomer is misdirection: they will shift your focus to any problem in the world (real or imaginary) so that you won’t notice, and thus won’t be inclined to discuss the fact, that they seek to infect you with their disease. After all, they are your “friend.” And what “friend” doesn’t inflame his friends’ inceldom-induced sexual frustration with straight content and then, when they are in a psychologically suggestible state and literally brain-washed, sneak in faggotry? Why, all friends behave like that; that’s what “friendship” is all about. Right?

He is not “cured” and he is not “bisexual.” He is a lying faggot looking to normalize his perversion by any and all means. Including appealing to the male gaze part of the time, and then shoving in the poopdick the other part of the time. It is absolutely intentional and deliberate and by design. They all do that, both online and IRL. It’s their classic modus operandi when seeking to “flip” young, straight, sexually inexperienced men. It’s just what they do.

The Cominator says:

He goes to female whores, he does not endorse faggotry quite the opposite I believe he made himself like pussy and at least mostly cured himself of faggotry that way. No man free of the perversion is “sexually confused” its not a thing with straight men. BAP suggest that gays can be reformed if the will is there. I don’t understand the gay bodybuilder posting so much myself but clearly BAP having been able to become a professional and successful shitposter knows more about selling his own brand of shitposting than you or I do.

Mossadnik says:

I choose to believe my own eyes. My eyes see a 44-year-old sexual deviant who is unabashedly flooding the feeds of young, often sexually frustrated men with endless softcore gay pornography, for usual gay grooming and induction purposes. On top of that, his form of blackpill-on-women is not the straight variety born of harsh real-life experiences, but rather obiously it is the poofter MGTOW variety. I couldn’t care less what spins he puts on this behavior. It is exactly what it looks like.

The Cominator says:

I agree the physique posting is a little much but its just purity spiraling to try to declare BAP a subversive enemy when hes been pretty steadfast for Trump and while the left still isn’t dead. Fuentes is what a subversive faggot looks like. BAP has achieved the Herculean labor (of which he would so admire) of having been basically a non subversive gay. BAP has never made me want to suck dick or take it up the ass. He is however one of the few people on the new right I find it worthwhile to listen to with Jim and yes I’ll admit (despite his disgracing himself on Covid) Yarvin.

Mossadnik says:

having been basically a non subversive gay.

The ultimate test will be if and when the American Right, possibly under King JD, possibly under another ruler, will seek to restore healthy social technologies. Now look, Orthodox Jews have high TFR and they don’t exactly throw poofs off roofs (it would be great if they did, though), so I’m not even going to insist on the absolute necessity of Total Sodomite Death here. However, your society will need to install and instill an entirely different memetic climate, one in which any type of gay bullshit simply will not fly, and one in which “coming out of the closet” means being permanently excommunicated, with zero family contact. And already, it appears that BAP is countersignalling the requisite weltanschauung, i.e., he is already showing his fundamentally anti-Christian colors, which have less to do with his ancestry, and more to do with his sodomism. So if you really want to keep him (for the time being), keep him; just don’t let him ever subvert you into not doing the work needed for a true Restoration.

Jim says:

Reaction is still in uneasy coalition with Thermidor. There will be trouble, but neither Thermidor nor ourselves can afford to break the coalition. Thermidor would prefer to go it alone, has the power, but lacks the needed will and cultural capital.

The upcoming point of fracture is the Ukraine.

Gays are going to be another point of fracture, de-emancipating women another. Trump is having enough trouble navigating peace in the Ukraine.

In the meantime, however incomplete and insincere BAPs conversion, he is a convert and is pointing the way for a time when we can insist on rather more impressive conversions. We need considerably more purity on the faggot question, but while we are in uneasy coalition with Thermidor, not yet time for that.

Because I don’t pay Bronze Age Pervert much attention, I was unaware of the sexualised picture at the head of his feed. There will be a time when that has to go, but that time is not yet.

Obviously we need and want art that depicts idealised males. Recovering our artistic greatness requires recovering the ability to do art in the style of Michelangelo’s David, and “300” But while there is nothing homo about Michelangelo’s David, there is something homo about Bronze Age Pervert’s depictions.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Scarebucks, I did not expect you to be this naive. […] It’s their [groomers] classic modus operandi when seeking to “flip” young, straight, sexually inexperienced men.

I was once, if you can believe it, a young, straight, sexually inexperienced man. I have seen their methods up front, having had hobbies and pickup locations that overlapped considerably with the “gay community” at the time. This was, of course, long before institutionalized wokeness, and long before my own poofs-off-roofs conversion.

Their methods are typically not that subtle. In fact, their methods led me to wonder how they could possibly “flip” anyone who is not already a fag, and to wonder if that is what the experience is like for women being smothered by thirsty betas. I cannot imagine any cocktail of drugs, alcohol and other mind-altering substances that could possibly have made their motives any less crystal clear. Only women have the ability to be so willfully naive about male attention, and their performative obliviousness is a function of their actual desire to get boned.

That doesn’t mean there aren’t cleverer groomers out there using subtler methods; I’m sure there are. But if BAP is one of them, then none of his victims are talking, which is interesting in and of itself. As a rule of thumb, fags are repulsed by boobs and want pretty girls to be anorexic, have man jaws, wear weird androgynous clothing and look like teenage boys. They don’t post photos of traditionally beautiful women because they don’t even know what one looks like.

I don’t really like BAP, but I also don’t really care about him. This was a thread about food, about better habits and better health, and the usual suspects set off to derail it with another endless wall of comments about joo joo joo and gay gay buttsex, and you took the bait. They want Jim’s comments to be filled with irrelevant, bitter and frequently disgusting centithreads, like Z-man’s comments are, because then nobody will want to read or participate in the comments.

Jews are boring, and faggots are disgusting and boring, and in my opinion this entire sub-thread should be nuked from orbit. This is why we can’t have nice things.

Pax Imperialis says:

>There is something gay about Bronze Age Pervert’s depictions.

It is how the guys are looking/posing at the camera. Most of the recent depictions, observed independently, are not gay, but a few definitely raises eyebrows which, by association, make the other posting suspect in intent. No one ever got groomed by simply seeing the naked male form. Grooming involves violation at young age. Since such allegations have never arose around BAP. Speculation over BAP’s closeted gayness is very low on the priority list. It’s one of those thing that I’d argue should be politely ignored at a distance.

Mossadnik says:

Speculation over BAP’s closeted gayness is very low on the priority list.

Well, I agree. However:

His closeted gayness is irrelevant so long as it doesn’t affect his aesthetics and ideology. Alas, it does affect both; otherwise I would not have raised the issue. If he quits posting faggot-gaze images, and if he quits countersignalling monogamous marriage, the issue will naturally go away. Will he stop faggotposting? Will he support the restoration of monogamous marriage? Considering his recent anti-Christian pronouncements, I don’t think so.

You don’t make yourself an enemy of God and then expect to receive absolutely no pushback. Let him repent and ask the Lord for forgiveness. Don’t hold your breath for it, though.

alf says:

But if BAP is one of them, then none of his victims are talking, which is interesting in and of itself.

The accusation is not that he is sodomizing young men, the accusation is that he is grooming young men. Whether that first step leads to others steps, that is speculation. But the grooming part is fairly obvious.

No one ever got groomed by simply seeing the naked male form.

Sure they did. Grooming, in this context, is a gay man leading a hetero man towards sodomy. Being in a position of leadership, posting the naked male form, time after time, day after day, communicates pretty clearly: ‘if you want to impress me, better have muscles and show them to me. Hell, maybe we could even have a photosesh and I could post your naked male form on my feed, winky face winky face.’

Aidan says:

BAP might be “antichristian” as a Nietzchean, in the same way Nietzsche was “antichristian”, but his practical political advice is that Christianity is not a useful political schelling point today. A real Christian says it is because of leftist entryism, Nietzsche says it is inherent in the value system, but the practical observation is the same. The valence behind BAP’s posting is that manly men doing whatever they want to their enemies is a useful political schelling point, because it is inherently inimical to the left- they cannot entryize an aesthetic of muscular fascists brutalizing their enemies. BAP can say “Christos Anaesti” to his Christian followers- actually hateful Jews and faggots cannot do that.

Aidan says:

“The accusation is not that he is sodomizing young men, the accusation is that he is grooming young men. Whether that first step leads to others steps, that is speculation. But the grooming part is fairly obvious”

A real faggot could not help himself if he had access to 100k mostly young male followers. BAP has been popular for 10 years. If he was a fag grooming young men, there would be evidence of his grooming young men. BAP explicitly says he has sexual admiration for fit, handsome young men. And yet, every homo in the world fails to restrain himself when given access to young men.

Mossadnik says:

The valence behind BAP’s posting is that manly men doing whatever they want to their enemies is a useful political schelling point, because it is inherently inimical to the left

Which is, of course, beyond retarded. A cursory glance at the 20th century should forcefully demonstrate that. What is this bulls**t? The Left can go back to “manly men” engaging in absolutely horrendous brutality towards their enemies, and most likely it will go (straight back) there once the current crop of faggofeninist politicians is out of power. For most of history, reckless violence was Leftist, not Rightist. Rather, the Right is generally the party of Order. Lol, fail.

his practical political advice is that Christianity is not a useful political schelling point today

True in the case of Churchianity. Not true in the case of real CHRIST IS RISEN Christianity of the kind preached here on this blog, and hopefully not just here. Seems that BAP is a little bit concerned about Churchianity becoming once again Christianity… Hmmm, wonder why.

BAP explicitly says he has sexual admiration for fit, handsome young men.

Well, I just fell off my chair dick-first into boipussy upon reading that sentence. C’mon. It just does not occur to straight men. Fag confirmed; I don’t care that nobody “came forward” yet – he probably just goes to male prostitutes and pays them enough to shut their cum-guzzling mouths up. Many such cases.

Jim says:

Gays don’t have that kind of self control.

Surrounded by admiring fans, many of them gay, if Bronze Age Pervert was still doing gay stuff, it would become widely known.

Jim says:

> The Left can go back to “manly men” engaging in absolutely horrendous brutality towards their enemies, and most likely it will go (straight back)

The left can change its ideology on a dime, and every leftist immediately believes the new ideology, and believes he always has.

But the new ideology is always in the direction of greater holiness or the next applecart that is looking shaky.

They want to switch to violence — well they are already trying to switch to violence, but two of the four recently arrested for firebombing teslas were trannies.

But to realise that violence requires manliness would be to back off from holiness. They are not going to do that.

Mossadnik says:

At this point when I hear that someone is a “fan of BAP,” I assume either one of two things:

1. That person is a homo who seeks to normalize faggotry on the Right;
2. That person just likes violence for violence’s sake (like the people of Sodom, whom God annihilated) and latches on to a gay mischling’s worldview in an attempt to justify that sinful penchant.

Gay and disgusting.

Mossadnik says:

And as for you Aidan, you’ve squealed way too many pig noises about murdering me and my loved ones. Rest assured, your death will be absolutely and terribly violent – it will not, however, be in any way glorious. Oink oink!

It’s not a threat, by the way. It’s a promise.

The Cominator says:

Settle down dude, PC was the one who was TKD posting I’ve never read Aidan post anything like that.

Mossadnik says:

No, P-C is absolutely reasonable, and should be personally in charge of solving the JQ.

Aidan made numerous threats, both here and on Twitter, to annihilate the State of Israel, under various pretexts, of which the common denominator is “hurrrr durrrr I like violence.” Even to my face, in this comment section.

I will defend my loved ones. It’s called virtue.

Fidelis says:

He said meddling in the politics of GAE and constantly pushing for more territory and constantly pissing off the surrounding arabs all while pretending to be a nice wittle wassal state was eventually going to get you killed. You took it personally and started oy veying all over about it. Continue to oy vey about it.

Mossadnik says:

That’s an incorrect interpretation, and not the whole picture, but I’m not going to pursue this point any further, since not looking to create any more pointless drama. I said what I said.

Mossadnik says:

if Bronze Age Pervert was still doing gay stuff, it would become widely known.

What is the purpose of posting endless faggot-gaze pictures to his audience? He is a professional poster; presumably he knows what he is doing. What is he doing?

Mossadnik says:

But to realise that violence requires manliness would be to back off from holiness. They are not going to do that.

Why not? As you’re fond of reminding us, in the previous century they could briefly halt and reverse Feminism because Hitler; I’m sure at least some on the Left will attempt to rebrand as “pro masculine.” They will just carry the holiness spiral in a different direction, e.g., towards Marxist economic leftism.

Alf says:

A real faggot could not help himself if he had access to 100k mostly young male followers.

Perhaps, I don’t pretend to have all the pieces of the puzzle. Just observing that he posts like a duck.

BAP explicitly says he has sexual admiration for fit, handsome young men.

… And he talks like a duck.

Aidan says:

I would not annihilate Israel for the sake of annihilating Israel, I would cut Israel loose if it fails to actually act like an ally and a vassal, after giving it a chance to act like an ally and a vassal, and if I had to cut it loose, if I perceived that its threat of the “Sampson option” was remotely credible, then I would annihilate it.

Every nuclear state publishes conditions under which it will use nuclear weapons. If Israel’s conditions are “if we are about to get overrun by Arabs we will use nuclear weapons on you, the US, and your allies in Western Europe”, and Israel looks about to be overrun by Arabs, why would I not strike it first? You can’t Talmud your way out of that one; by raising the threat of the Sampson option, Israel made it so that the game-theoretic optimal path for the US is to give Israel a nuclear push into the abyss if it looks to be teetering. Why not nuke Iran yourself?

The left is no longer capable of rolling back feminism. They got a very clear call to roll back feminism when Trump won young men at above 70% ratios, started talking about rolling back feminism, and then canceled Henry Sisson for extremely vanilla sexting with young women.

Mossadnik says:

I would not annihilate Israel for the sake of annihilating Israel, I would cut Israel loose if it fails to actually act like an ally and a vassal

Obviously no disagreement here.

and if I had to cut it loose, if I perceived that its threat of the “Sampson option” was remotely credible, then I would annihilate it.

Okay, but why do you keep bringing up hypothetical scenarios that would necessitate Israel’s annihilation? Has anyone actually made any such threats? I don’t recall either Bibi or anyone else in our leadership ever discussing (or hinting at) the Samson Option; and frankly I’m not sure there even is a Samson Option, since our nukes likely don’t work, as Jim often says. Sounds like you’re just using Israel as a punching bag, employing entirely imaginary scenarios. Nobody in Israel is threatening to nuke you, whether or not we are overrun by Arabs, which by the way I don’t really expect to happen either.

by raising the threat of the Sampson option, Israel made it so that the game-theoretic optimal path for the US is to give Israel a nuclear push into the abyss if it looks to be teetering.

WHO RAISED THAT THREAT, FAGGOT? Seriously, you just seem to be looking for an excuse to state, “Under such and such conditions, I would destroy Israel.” But again, has anyone made that threat? Actually, yes – Russia did; I guess your game-theory should then compel you to nuke Russia if it looks like it’s about to collapse.

Why not nuke Iran yourself?

We should definitely nuke Iran ourselves (if it comes to it) and not rely on anyone else to fight our wars for us. I’m not advocating for involving America in our wars.

Aidan says:

I do not bring it up randomly out of the blue- I brought it up when the status of Israel as a bad ally is raised.

Russia’s stated policy is to use nuclear weapons against an aggressor when its territorial integrity is threatened (recently changed from the existence of the state), not its purported allies to extort their aid.

Mossadnik says:

I do not bring it up randomly out of the blue- I brought it up when the status of Israel as a bad ally is raised.

Israel may well be a bad ally, and you may have reasonable grounds to cut Israel loose.

Between that and the hypothetical scenario, “If you misbehave and we cut you loose and you are overrun by Arabs and you threaten us with the totally totally realistic Sampson Option,” there is not much in common.

You can make perfectly legitimate anti-Zionist arguments without then proceeding to fantasize about hypothetical scenarios requiring you to nuke Israel.

Animus says:

I’m not BAP, or any of Thiel’s other zionist buttboys, but I’ll take the comparison as a compliment because his book is pretty good.

Have a nice Easter.

Mossadnik says:

Look, outside observers might get the impression that I’m needlessly bloodthirsty here. Not so. If, instead of endlessly attempting to subvert society to submit to your disease, your kind were capable of saying, “I am perverted, but I want to be cured. Please don’t kill me – please find a cure and make my sexuality healthy and functional. In the meanwhile, I promise not to do anything that might subvert the Natural Order of things,” then some leniency could be extended towards you. Alas, underneath the sin of Sodomy, lurks the even darker sin of Pride – your pride just will not let you accept that you are diseased, in need of a cure, and that the destructive and sef-destructive behavior that inevitably stems from your disease is apt to bring down whole societies, such as Sodom and Gomorrah and America. Which is why you will have to niiiiiiieeeeeu *splatttt*. Find a fag who sincerely wants to be cured, and who wants the rest of society to be cured as well (both biologically in the case of any and all other sexual deviants, and metaphorically when it comes to permanently excising the sodomic memes from the memetic water supply), and he might be spared, provided he is indeed willing to undergo effective treatment, and does not, in any way shape or form, attempt to subvert God’s Natural Order. But again, you are simply not willing to undergo the necessary treatment or to support the development thereof, whereas you do passionately and incessantly attempt to undermine civilization, and moreover you seek to prevent the rest of society from scientifically researching and discovering and implementing the cure. So off the roof you must go; and anyone who performs a miracle and turns a fruit into a vegetable commits no sin.

Oog en Hand says:

Do you consider Chechens that sodomize Russian conscripts to be faggots?

Mossadnik says:

Nah. Gay rape and similar types of sadistic torture are part and parcel of warfare; a sacred tradition since time immemorial. Hence, we learn that the faggots who have infected our metaphorical bloodstream with metaphorical AIDS are, for all intents and purposes, engaged in bloody warfare against us, and as such, they ought to be treated as enemy combatants on the battlefield.

All of them.

Handi says:

FYI no heterosexual man would ever make a spontaneous semantic leap from “gay rape” to “sacred tradition”.

Oog, when the time comes you can use this thread on your resume for Poof Inquisitor.

Mossadnik says:

What would a Troll do, though?

anonymous mouse says:

“Gay rape and similar types of sadistic torture are part and parcel of warfare; a sacred tradition since time immemorial.”

You are a kike and your notions are typical of your barbaric subhuman race.

Mossadnik says:

So… are you saying that the Chechens are faggots?

Man, I have the dumbest online enemies.

Jim says:

There is a Chechen army operating in the Ukraine. The Ukrainian government has issued the usual atrocity stories, which evidence turns out to be bogus. On the flying saucer principle and the poster girl principle I conclude the Chechens do not rape men.

See my replies to Gman and Bob the Builder.

The evidence that Chechens are doing this stuff is unicorn evidence.

Mossadnik says:

Well, Oog was referring to Chechens fighting for the Ukrainian side. Be that as it may, they have rightly acquired a reputation for terrible brutality; whether that actually involves battlefield sodomy, I don’t know, and I don’t particularly care to delve into horror stories from any side.

My serious, non-troll position is that those individual soldiers who sodomize their enemies are likely to be more on the perverted and sadistic side than those soldiers who don’t participate in such activities (presumably, the majority do not engage in sodomic torture); but I am not going to pass any judgement on what warriors do to those who a few moments ago were trying to kill them, and possibly have indeed killed their comrades. I don’t care; war is war.

Jim says:

The allegation is about Ukrainian Nazis, not Ukrainian Chechens. The Ukraine has Nazi brigades, the infamous Azov brigades. It has no Chechen brigades. Russia, on the other hand, has an organisationally separate Chechen army, which regards Chechnya as a nation to which they are loyal, which is part of an empire to which they are loyal. Any Ukrainian chechen who spoke like that would die in prison with his eyeballs and fingernails torn out.

Handi says:

What would a Troll do, though?

Using the troll excuse to weasel out of saying something fagbrained is equally as fagbrained as what you just said.

Manly trolling is a guy like Trump: he exaggerates his masculinity to provoke his enemies into revealing that they can’t tell the difference between reality and the exaggeration, because they lack masculinity themselves. So I guess I’m not a faggot enough to key in that you’re trolling when you say penisbutt is the martial spirit. I mistook that for real disgusting faggotry instead of exaggerated disgusting faggotry, boy you sure owned me with that one!

Fags like you and BAP can’t resist provoking your “own” side with perverse statements whenever you don’t feel like the center of attention. And when you get called out it’s always, “No I trolled you, unsophisticated rightoid, I was only acting gay and jewish”. For all your bluster about throwing sodomites off the roof, you’re engaged in the exact same covert line-crossing tendency that dissolves male cohesion. It’s indistinguishable from female shit-testing.

Mossadnik says:

Look at my comment to you.

Look at your comment to me.

One of us has indeed been trolled, kind sir. Care to guess who?

(I actually have no idea why you dislike me so much; presumably it’s envy.)

Handi says:

You’re projecting your own envy of BAP onto me.

Your argument about grooming his audience made no sense because no straight man finds any of that stuff tempting (which you should know). The actual problem with it is that BAP says important true things about masculinity and then perverts it with deliberately provocative plausibly deniable quasi-gay shit that straight men don’t want to see. Whenever anyone tells him he’s polluting the message and to knock it off, he retreats into catty unmanly mind games.

The real reason you hate BAP is that he does the same as you, only to a way bigger audience.

Mossadnik says:

Oh, so a seething BAP fan.

Yeah, I don’t engage with fags; nice try tho.

Mossadnik says:

By the way, is Kalos still on Twitter? Bro, are you seeing this? Lel, and I’m literally not even a clinical psychopath, if there even is such a thing; it’s just that my haters are really, really stupid.

(I’ll probably create an account once I’m done with some Eastern Scripture; the Bible is great, but there is much wisdom in other Traditions too.)

alf says:

As Augustine pointed out a long time ago, the manner in which an army conducts itself is non-trivial. It may take only what it needs, be disciplined and virtuous. It may also be unruly, terrorize, slaughter and rape. This is not the same, and an army should strive for the former. Not all is fair in war.

The Cominator says:

Sometimes armies are more effective doing the latter, Sherman’s army was more effective because it judiciously applied the latter (not so much rape).

alf says:

Sherman’s army was anything but unruly. Which of course does not take away from the argument that disciplined ruthlessness has its place. Which it definitely has.

I find it hard to put precisely in words when ‘total annihilation’ tactics are warranted, save for some generalizing comment on how in war, mercy is the most valuable commodity.

There’s obvious patterns right. Sherman’s army did not target civilians, did not torture POW’s. He was pragmatic, not sadistic.

The Cominator says:

Agree that lost causers greatly exaggerated Sherman’s supposed brutality (and Southerners in his own time didn’t hate him that much as he visited the South at least once without bodyguards after the war) but Sherman by the time of the march to the sea wasn’t a strict disciplinarian either. If Patton insisted on spit and polish Sherman was at the opposite end of the spectrum. It’s not that he would tolerate direct disobedience to orders no functional army can do that but the general orders were broad and loose. South Carolina was treated brutally in a way Georgia was only selectively done and Sherman basically said he didn’t need to give any orders in this respect he merely declined to discourage them.

Mossadnik says:

If battlefield sodomy is pursued as a policy, then clearly it’s intended to terrorize the enemy. Same goes for e.g. castrating POWs.

But I don’t really believe that anyone actually employs an explicitly sodomic policy, if for no other reason than that you would need to make your warriors enthused about sodomy, which the vast majority of men find instinctively abhorrent; whoever practices the old craft is just more likely (personally) to score higher on antisocial traits, and accordingly possess a rather dysfunctional disgust reflex, than those others, presumably the majority, who refrain from such repugnant conduct.

Having said that, there is obviously no shortage of perverted sadists out there — some might even rank pretty high in military hierarchy — and if terrorizing the enemy is one of your goals (which, indeed, it quite often is), well, they too can render their unique services to the war effort.

This is fundamentally a troll subject. Well played, Oog.

The Cominator says:

I think any tale about X group of men who aren’t supposed to be generally gay having a widespread culture of gay rape to likely be bullshit. I’ve heard that it’s very very exaggerated to the degree it happens in prison.

Mossadnik says:

Yep.

More broadly, whenever you hear about faggotry being “totally common and normal” among group X, the person telling you that is himself a faggot seeking to normalize his perversion by falsely claiming that it would be absolutely, universally acceptable, were it not for “those barbaric desert Semites from 3,500 years ago who wrote the Bible – ABLOO ABLOO!”

I don’t like responding to butthurt chronic ankle/pillow biters (Jim or Alf can check his posting history; this guy has had a raging hate-boner for me for a long while), but for the record, the difference between BAP and me is that he is attempting to use edgy humor to normalize faggotry, whereas I use edgy humor to de-normalize faggotry.

In other words, I don’t laugh with the faggots, but at them – crucial, major difference.

Neurotoxin says:

No straight man would ever think of doing that. It simply would never occur to you. As the movie Kiss Kiss Bang Bang put it:

I’ve seen you play ball and I know you’re tough. It’s just that you see a naked guy, and your brain says, “I want that”. I don’t make that leap. It’s like, “Oh, look, there’s an elephant! Quick, let’s drain its blood to paint my boathouse”. It’s just that that’s not the first thing you’d think of.

Or anything you’d think of at all.

Handi says:

Joking about sacredness isn’t something people do who actually hold things sacred. Defeats the entire point. Connecting sodomy with ironic sacredness doesn’t denormalize faggotry, on the contrary that’s exactly how faggots think about themselves. And always defended with an air of smug superiority toward straight men for not “getting” the hilarity of their joke.

Maybe you sincerely intend to attack faggotry this way as you claim, but in effect it does more to undermine normalcy.

Mossadnik says:

Keep flailing.

Varnok says:

Could be an interesting summer. Some recents from X…

[*plug for Patriot Front channels deleted*]

Jim says:

The Patriot Front is controlled by our enemies. It is a honeypot.

If you want to argue it is not a honeypot, take the shill test described in the moderation policy.

Varnok says:

No such channel of TPF or any TPF content was posted, and they’re defunct, and what was posted was on much different topics and not even close to your favorite group.
So you’re a fucking liar, and a censor, or a fucking ignorant who can’t read, and a censor.

Jim says:

There is no censorship on this blog. All you have to do if you want your stuff to come through is pass the shill test described in the moderation policy.

Which anyone, regardless of their ideology, regardless of what they want to talk about, can pass unless they have a Soros supervisor breathing down their neck as they type away on a computer supplied by a government or quasi governmental IT department using a vpn maintained by a Soros ngo. It is not a test for what you say. It is a test for what you are strangely unable to say, or even notice other people saying.

Jim says:

The Patriot Front is indeed defunct, because in the aftermath of J6, it became obvious to its membership what had long been obvious to people like the readership of this blog — that it was run as a honeypot by hostile enemy entryists of the deep state. But though it is defunct, those hostile enemy entryists are still attempting to run their old scam.

Not on this blog you will not.

Anon says:

@jim
i have been following the tariffs talk and come across this from the talk with indonesia
[QRIS and GPN ]
QRIS is Quick Response Code Indonesia Standard and GPN is Global payment network.
it seem that indonesia have implemented a standared payment system that are expanding to south korea, thailand , japan and UAE and other
wiki say
“is an Indonesian QR code payment and NFC contactless payment (as QRIS Tap) standards developed by Bank Indonesia (BI) and Indonesian Payment System Association (ASPI) for cashless payments in Indonesia.”
The talks is trying to make indonesia abandone the system and use master/visa card.
dose this system become alternative to GAE payment system?

Fidelis says:

dose this system become alternative to GAE payment system?

The second it starts looking so, the second leverage can be obtained by such a system, is the second the Malays kill it by trying to squeeze money out of it. If you want an international currency, need international sovereignty, or you need something like a cryptocurrency.

Jim says:
Ryan says:

To add to the good dietary advice

– Avoid seed oils
– Avoid highly processed food
– Eat organ meat and bone broth
– You probably have deficiencies in several essential elements such as lithium and magnesium
– Do NOT drink tap water. Any filter is better than nothing, and Reverse Osmosis is best.

GaulAnonymous says:

Any advice for type 1 diabetics?
As much as red meat is great for keeping my sugar low, it’s kinda hard to make real meal out without any carbs on side (such as potatoes, which I basically stopped eating). White meat like chicken and fish is a lot easier to eat on it’s own (even if they’d be better with fries or/and breading), while stil being good sugar wise.
I still get craving for carbs, which I mostly satisfy either with whole-grain bread, or with oatmeal.

Jim says:

If you eat lots of saturated fat, your carb cravings go away after a few days. Lots and lots of saturated fat. Takes about three days for carb cravings to go away.

Cheese, butter, sour cream, and unsweetened yogurt.

Unsweetened yogurt is inedible (tastes too bad) unless it has sixteen percent or more fat, and a little bit of salt. I make my own, and am apt to overeat it. High fat unsweetened yoghurt is a variant on sour cream.

Your major source of calories should saturated animal fat. Slather everything in lots of butter. Everything is better with butter. Mushrooms fried with lots of butter. Eggs cooked in deep dewatered butter, with hot butter ladled over them while they fry. Everything is better with butter.

I make my own dewatered butter for frying everything in deep butter by simmering regular butter in a metal bowl for a while, then I leave it overnight in the fridge to set hard, then turn the bowl upside down on the sink and pour boiling water over it so that the dewatered butter drops out.

If you can get good quality cow fat, tallow, that is great, but it is very hard to get tallow that did not go rancid years before you bought it. Tallow does not keep forever, and butter does not keep forever. One lasts about as long as the other. Same problem with powdered milk.

For your zombie apocalypse stash, you need impermeable containers with a water absorbent and an oxygen absorbent. Most stuff will keep for a very long time so long as protected from humidity and oxygen.

It is hard to get impermeable containers that are actually all that impermeable. If your oxygen absorbent or water absorbent has been used up, the contents of your stash have probably gone bad.

I conjecture that heat sealed aluminium foil bags (which are fragile in the usefully large sizes) inside a regular mechanically strong storage box will actually work, but I don’t know yet.

The mylar bags with a transparent window are useless. There needs to be a layer of aluminium, and if you cannot see it, chances are it is not there. Ziplock sealed bags are useless, because the zip is permeable. I shall see how good heat sealed bags are.

Fidelis says:

I was thinking about your food storage.

You can probably use a pressure vessel, a vacuum pump, and a bunch of argon. Load the food in with the oxygen and water absorbants, vacuum out, replace with argon. If you have the pressure up, argon will be ever so slowly spilling out, instead of atmosphere ever so slowly bleeding in. You can keep an eye on the gauge to know when to pump more in without opening the vessel.

Jim says:

When your body has enough protein, it wants something that can be easily processed into energy.

The two macronutrients that are easy to process into energy are carbs and saturated fat, but if your body is accustomed to running on carbs, it is going to be unenthusiastic about running on saturated fat.

But after a few days it will get used to processing saturated fat for energy, and if you are consuming adequate calories in the form of saturated fat, your carb cravings go away.

Saturated fat is a cleaner energy source than carbs.

Jim says:

If you are diabetic you need to be on keto, or on keto much of the time with occasional paleo breaks for social reasons.

You should eat as much protein as you need, and no more protein that that, and for the rest, substitute saturated fat for carbs. Either cold turkey or tapering off. If you are used to deriving most of your energy from carbs, this is going to seem like a huge amount of fat.

If you are doing it cold turkey, do not need to count calories and weigh grams. If tapering off, do need to count calories and weigh grams. While calorie counting does not work as a permanent strategy, it works for months and you only need days to transition to low or zero carbs.

It takes three rough days to switch cold turkey. I would therefore guess a couple of weeks tapering off. Remember, everything is better with butter.

GaulAnonymous says:

“Cheese, butter, sour cream, and unsweetened yogurt”
Okay, sounds good, and what I already try to go for. But doesn’t “Unsweetened” yogurt has natural carbs from lactose decay? Doesn’t taste inedible to me, the one I eat regularly is about 6% carbs (should probably be closer to 4%).

“Slather everything in lots of butter.”
Instead of canola oil I use either butter, coconut oil, or olive oil, depending on meal.

Three eggs per day.

“It takes three rough days to switch cold turkey.”
This doesn’t sound like problem I have. Whenever I try to cut cabs, I start day with yoghurt and bacon or/and eggs, and at first I feel great, not hungry at all. But after couple days, I start feel weird unease, so maybe I am missing something else? Salty potato chips and chocolate (even dark chocolate) start tasting extremely delicious, but near-pure carbs like candy or bread are no better than usual.

The only carb source that I haven’t tried completely dropping are lentils, which replaced pasta in my chicken soup, (chicken soup with lentils never raised my glucose levels, not even when I was completely off insulin).

My big question is your mention of artificial sweeteners. What about stevia, xylitol, erythritol?

Jim says:

The taste of sweetness causes an insulin rush.

ayyylmao says:

With coconut oil you can be pretty sure that you’re actually getting coconut oil. Assume by default that olive oil is adulterated with something, probably one or more vegetable oils. Twice as much olive oil is sold than is produced by all the olive trees in the world.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Stevia is the least bad of the three but is still not be trusted.

If a sugar substitute ends in “-ol”, it is a sugar alcohol, and all the sugar alcohols are associated with various catastrophic health outcomes when consumed regularly, especially those involving the heart. Much like trans fats, they are much worse than the thing they claim to replace.

If you have some vice, and you are trying to quit that vice, and your strategy for quitting is to try to find a replacement that looks and feels exactly like the vice but somehow has none of its problems, then you are probably being duped.

There are no free lunches. One can accept one’s vices, along with their attendant problems and risks, or one can eliminate them; the name of all the territory in between is “delusion”.

Fidelis says:

Are transaturated fats actually bad? They’re a PUFA that has been doped with more hydrogen. Depending on the process used, seems like it could go either way as far as outcomes. PUFA itself, excluding all the goodies that come along with it from the industrial processes, mostly bad because incomplete bonds make it go rancid easily. That includes going rancid after it gets placed somewhere as a fatty membrane.

Everyone used to love crisco and was remiss at the banning. That doesn’t necessarily mean it was healthy, but it is a clue that it might have been fine, or at least a better alternative than undoped PUFA.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

But trans fats weren’t marketed as an alternative to PUFAs, they were marketed as an alternative to saturated fat. Aside from deep-frying, I don’t see how they’d work in place of oil either, since they are solid at room temperature.

They wanted you to use Margarine or Crisco instead of butter or lard, and the trans fat versions are worse in every conceivable way.

I’m not exactly sure where trans fats stand in relation to refined seed oils, but it seems like a moot point when we should be avoiding both of them.

Considering how the trans fat story actually played out, I’m willing to believe “The Science” on this one, as unreliable as “The Science” tends to be. There’s just no other reason, rational or conspiratorial, why the industry would have given up on them as readily as it did. Trans fats were big business and corn oil didn’t start getting subsidized until decades later.

I’m always curious to read the revisions and margin notes, if there are any, but as far as I can tell, trans fats really were as bad as “they” said they were. The point at which everything went to hell was when instead of dropping the trans fats for saturated fats, like sane people would have after realizing their experiment had failed, they continued demonizing saturated fats and tried to mandate the use of seed oils everywhere.

Typically lefty logic and process, really: create a crisis, and then tell everyone that in order to solve the crisis, you need to do even more of the thing that caused it.

Jim says:

Trans saturated fats are extremely bad, because the body cannot metabolise them, they pile up, the body continually tries to use them and continually fails.

Cloudswrest says:

Are transaturated fats actually bad? They’re a PUFA that has been doped with more hydrogen.

Technically, there’s no such thing as a “transaturated” fat. A “trans” bond is by definition an unsaturated bond in the chain. Full hydrogenation turns PUFAs into saturated fats. The key word here is “full”. How can you be sure there is no leftover partially hydrogenated fats in the batch? With a few exceptions, biological PUFAs imply cis bonds on omega 3 boundaries. Hydrogenation produces trans bonds on random chain boundaries, which are non-biological and evolutionarily novel. You might as well be chugging Sucralose! Personally, the only thing I used Crisco for was as a protective film on stainless steel surfaces.

Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

Chemically mediated liver damage might fairly be said the archetypical modern health condition, comorbid with all manner of sundry ailments, but particularly metabolic dysfunction and endocrine disruption.

Consider what drugs if any you are taking, including alcohol.
Consider how low on the water table you are, downstream of urban, agricultural, or industrial concerns.
Consider what plastics, preservatives, and petroleum dyes you might directly be exposing yourself to through choices in foodstuffs.

Many in the general population highly tax their hepatic systems for elimination of compounds, skirting on the edges of homeostasis, and often times all it can take is one more straw in any one area to break the camel’s back, which is an observable change, even though any and all of it may have been contributing theretofore.

Cloudswrest says:

~20 years ago started showing slightly elevated liver enzymes. Just slightly above the “high” boundary. Started daily supplementing with Choline and NAC and the values normalized almost immediately. Told a buddy of mine with even worse liver enzyme numbers, he tried it, and his numbers also normalized. Since added Taurine and Glycine (Magnesium Glycinate) also.

Cloudswrest says:

BTW, the motivation for the above two supplements are:

1. It’s medically well known that choline deficiency invariably leads to NAFLD (Steatohepatitis). Don’t know why this isn’t more publicized. Supplementation with choline helps prevent this. BTW, egg yolks are a naturally high source of this nutrient. Choline is also good for brain health (acetylcholine).

2. Re. NAC (N-Acetyl Cysteine). The primary, endogenously produced, anti-oxidant in the body is the tripeptide Glutathione. If you run low on this (e.g. Tylenol poisoning saturates Glutathione production) your liver dies. The rate limiting amino acid for the production of Glutathione in the body is Cysteine, and NAC is the most bioavailable version of Cysteine (the FDA keeps trying to ban it but always gets furious push back. They FUD’ed Amazon to stop selling it during the Covid crisis). When people go to the emergency room for Tylenol poisoning, they mainline IV NAC into your system.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

it’s kinda hard to make real meal out without any carbs on side

To the contrary, cutting out the carb filler is precisely what makes it a “real meal”. It can certainly be difficult to obtain such a meal when eating out at restaurants, because they have to make a profit and carb filler is cheap, but it is not difficult at all to make one. Logically, it’s always going to be less work to simply not make the side dishes, and relatively the same amount of work to make some veggie dish or creamy sauce instead.

Perhaps you are referring to some psychological difficulty, rather than the obvious (lack of) physical difficulty. Well, it is kinda hard to lift and exercise regularly. It is kinda hard to save money and invest it wisely. It is kinda hard to maintain a home, possess a good wife and raise children. Virtually nothing worth doing is going to be easy, and cheap low-effort substitutes are how demons tempt you.

Pseudo-Chrysostom might be onto something re: eggs in his (originally misattributed) response. While our respective diets sound like opposite ends of the keto/paleo spectrum (I much prefer “simple” meals), one thing we seem to have in common is a lot of eggs; I eat 3-4 a day and have not had a carb or sugar craving in a very long time, and in fact don’t generally get hungry at all for 10-12 hours afterward, so possibly what I credit to mundane adaptation can also be partially credited to that. They are a tad low in fat:protein ratio, but punch far above their weight when it comes to satiety and micronutrients.

Aidan says:

Our ancestors burned at least 4000kcal a day from their normal resting metabolisms, until the 20th century. It’s very hard to get that many calories from meat, and carbs need to be supplemented. The traditional diet of my ancestors was a lot of meat and dairy along with a lot of carbs. My metabolism is close to burning 4000kcal a day, and I lose weight shockingly quickly if I fail to eat a substantial amount of carbohydrates, though I still eat about 3000kcal of meat and dairy every day. If I wanted to lose weight, cutting carbs would be easy and make it easy, but I want to bulk up, and carbs give me the energy to exercise.

If your metabolism runs hot you can throw just about any kind of fuel you want into it (I don’t believe artificial PUFA are properly metabolized in any case. Natural PUFAs probably fine) If your metabolism sucks and you want to improve it, hike a lot. There is a muscle in your calf that is fueled exclusively by blood glucose rather than glycogen. Walking long distances, I believe uphills and rough terrain better, forces any problems with insulin resistance to go away.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

My metabolism is close to burning 4000kcal a day

If your body weight is roughly average for the bulking-and-cutting scene (say 180ish) then this makes you an extreme outlier. 3k isn’t too abnormal for the highly active but 4k is rare.

I’m sure you know your own metabolism and I’m not casting any doubt on the number, but most people shouldn’t be hitting macros like that.

Also, if you’re still in your 20s or early 30s then be prepared for that to change. I could (and did) eat whatever I wanted when I was 25, but now I can survive maybe one “off-day” at a time before the dominoes start to fall. Usually metabolism shows a minor but noticeable decline by age 35 and really falls off a cliff by 40. Strength doesn’t fade so quickly but energy does, and you’ll have to be a lot pickier about your “fuel”.

Well, unless you’re using anabolic steroids and/or exogenous T, but that’s a whole other ball game.

Aidan says:

Judging from the daily quantity of food that Victorian man averaged, and there are hard stats on this, my BMR of 36-3800 calories is historically normal, maybe a little on the low side now that I got injured in training and haven’t been quite as active as in the past. While 3000 wouldn’t be bad necessarily, and is healthier than most today, that is in line with Victorian female metabolism, and 2000 calories a day is a famine diet, roughly equivalent to the caloric intake of Irish peasants during the great potato famine.

My metabolism is roughly equivalent to historical metabolisms, and I have no health problems- in fact, I’m very healthy eating more or less a historical diet centered around meat and dairy without shying away from carbs and moderate amounts of sugar, though I get most of my sugar from milk and eat a dessert maybe once a week. I do avoid highly processed foods with lots of additives, and seed oils.

I say this because the more “out there” advice is given by people who were too fat, or too weak, or otherwise with odd health problems. I have been active, fit, and healthy for my entire life, and I enjoy food the way a medieval nobleman or a well-off early industrial man could enjoy food, eating what I want, and what I want happens to be more or less what is optimum or at least not detrimental.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Judging from the daily quantity of food that Victorian man averaged, and there are hard stats on this, my BMR of 36-3800 calories is historically normal

It was historically normal for working-class men performing 10-12 hours a day of difficult physical labor, possibly more. Today’s equivalent would be a professional bodybuilder who is literally in the gym all day, because it’s his job.

By today’s standards, this is an extreme outlier. We simply don’t need to do that much work every day to survive. If you sit at a desk for 8 hours a day doing something reasonably challenging (the brain uses a lot of calories) and train in the gym for 3-6 hours a week, then for most people, that translates into 2000-2500 calories a day. If you combine that with another 30-60 minutes of HIIT or sports, then certainly it could bring that up to 3000-3500 in a day. And if your job involves nearly continuous physical labor aside from a few breaks here and there, then sure, it could be even higher.

The “average” person, for better or for worse, is going to be in the 2000-2500 range. If you are more active then that’s great for you, but targeting 3500 calories and eating whatever one pleases is not sound advice for most people.

Fidelis says:

Numbers match pretty closely to mine, and I have a dainty metabolism (prone to excess fat should I not be careful with macros).

About 2500-3000kcal maintenance if I am sedentary, no real excercise, maybe some walking. 3000-3500kcal if I add in basic calisthenics, maybe some light dumbells if they’re around. 3500-4000kcal if I lift heavy weights regularly. 4000-4500+kcal if I am extremely active, with weights, HIIT, other training and or outdoors activity.

I am rather tall, but not outlier tall, nor that heavy. Many if not most men outweigh me walking around the ruins of amerika, but thats because I keep bodyfat under 15% in the land of gluttonous retards.

Aidan says:

I am talking about sedentary Victorians. Data on those employed in hard labor ranges between 5500 to 7500/day. Resting body temperatures have also declined and have been continuously revised downwards, like testosterone, since the 1800s.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

I am talking about sedentary Victorians. Data on those employed in hard labor ranges between 5500 to 7500/day.

The 6-7k range is only reported for navvies who supposedly expended up to 5 kcal a day.

4-5k input was for regular laborers – agriculture, artisans, factories, iron and steel workers, etc., and there was far less automation back then. They were physically demanding jobs, but not backbreaking like navvies.

We are not Victorians. Again, for better or for worse, the average person does not even come close to that BMR. Caloric requirements of many semi-active men today would be much more similar to those of Victorian women (average 3k) who didn’t do challenging labor but still had to travel a lot on foot. 2-3 hours of walking being about the same as one 45-minute strength workout.

The average man drives everywhere, sits at a desk for 8 hours a day, sleeps for another 6-8 hours, eats for 2 hours, and watches TV or sits in front of a computer at home for at least 3-4, and maybe if he’s diligent, spends 2 hours a day on a combination of light outdoor chores like gardening and landscaping, strength or hypertrophy training, walking or running or other light cardio, etc.

That is the average, that is typical, and it does not require 4 kcal. Not even close to the Victorian average and I don’t really see how that’s going to change in the near future, even if we somehow solve a lot of the other problems afflicting society. Machinery and automation have mostly eliminated the need for extended or intense physical labor, and now we only do it for recreation.

Mossadnik says:

I am triggered & I take back everything positive I have ever written about Orthodox Jews.

Can anyone seriously imagine Orthodox Judaism as a state religion? Lel.

Haredi man buys 83K NIS of beer and pizza being sold on Passover and destroys it

A haredi man who visited a spring fair in Haifa over Passover purchased all the chametz pizza and 30 kegs of beer and ensured that it all would be thrown in the trash, burned, and poured down the drain.

https://archive.is/WrDxV

What a fake, demonic religion.

Imagine being filled with furious hatred against — and making a show of destroying — beer and pizza.

We’re gonna need a bigger oven.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Every race and religion is going to occasionally produce virtue-signaling dipshits and nutjobs in general. The salient question is, how do the leadership and the people handle it? Do they celebrate it, proclaim how wise and virtuous it is, and sneer at or punish criticism? Or do they pack him off to missionary school (or, well, rabbinical school, whatever) so he can spend the rest of his life in Ethiopia preaching his wise philosophy to those spiritually-impoverished Africans?

I don’t know the answer here, but presumably you do. According to the article, passersby were unimpressed, but also according to the article, one of the sponsors is doing the usual mealy-mouthed equivocation and caving in to the crazies. Is the general vibe one of “look at this fucking hipster” contempt for the individual in question, or is it being treated as a serious action by a serious person that requires a “national conversation”?

It sure does look like Rome all over again. So far they haven’t actually killed anyone for violating their purity laws, but give it another 20 years and they’ll get there, unless the state comes down on them like a ton of bricks before they have a chance to escalate.

Mossadnik says:

The salient question is, how do the leadership and the people handle it? Do they celebrate it, proclaim how wise and virtuous it is, and sneer at or punish criticism? Or do they pack him off to missionary school (or, well, rabbinical school, whatever) so he can spend the rest of his life in Ethiopia preaching his wise philosophy to those spiritually-impoverished Africans?

Is the general vibe one of “look at this fucking hipster” contempt for the individual in question, or is it being treated as a serious action by a serious person that requires a “national conversation”?

Currently Orthodox Jews are out of state power, although the state does pay tribute to Judaism in certain, rather superficial ways. That this individual could waste 83K shekels just to make a show of destroying foodstuffs suggests that he is rather affluent; the average Orthodox Jew (certainly if he is Haredi, that is Ultra-Orthodox, as stated in the article) cannot afford to pull off any such stunts. Now, the general public’s attitude towards the Ultra-Orthodox is mixed. On the one hand, most Israelis identify, broadly speaking, with that very religion, which is simply recognized as Judaism; on the other hand, the Haredim are not the most well-liked group, particularly due to being non-Zionist or even anti-Zionist, also since they are welfare leeches. But this guy is obviously not on welfare. Due to their high fertility, the Haredim are expected to grow exponentially and become a substantial segment of the populace in the coming decades. Brown, traditionalist, 90-95 IQ Jews might be okay with that, since colorful retards are unable to think forward, and besides, they identify with the religion, albeit they are not necessarily strict in practicing it. The more intelligent, secularized Ashkenazim (and those affiliated with them) might not like that state of affairs all that much, but due to the prevalence of leftism among them, and a corresponding low birth rate, they are likely to be defeated, so to speak, by the coalition of the traditionalists, and Israel’s state religion is likely to shift — or abruptly switch — from Progressivism to Orthodox Judaism. So to answer the questions: nothing, positive or negative, will happen to this guy. Some will praise him; others will criticize him; and within a few minutes it will all be forgotten. We are in the midst of both a war and a coup against Bibi and a gorillion other things, so nobody really noticed that headline. Regardless, as demography shifts more and more towards an Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox disposition, it is likely that religious, rabbinic legislation will be increasingly instituted, so that the general atmosphere (backed by law) in the country will increasingly resemble and become more in accordance with the weltanschauung possessed by individuals like this guy and whatever subgroup he might belong to; as Progressivism dies, it will be replaced with a religion whose focus is on just those sorts of things; ultimately, this is rabbinic, Orthodox Judaism, although most Orthodox Jews don’t go around looking for restaurant food to destroy – not yet, that is. Granted, it could theoretically be possible to “reform” Orthodox Judaism; I don’t expect anything of the sort to happen any time soon, as the Orthodox are highly resistant to all attempts at reformation away from holiness-spiralled rabbinism and towards healthier interpretations of the faith; their OCD-like obstinacy is partially a source of their strength, and the reason why they are likely to crush the atheists and the Left, if not by force of arms, then through the fruit of the womb. So as the country becomes more religious, expect growing spectacles of this sort, with increasing support from the public. Eventually Israel will become an Orthodox Jewish theocracy, so Jewish dietary laws will become state law, and most of the public will cheer that on. We are not there yet, by any means, but that seems to be the destination. This specific stunt might be just a stunt; but it represents the true spirit of Orthodox Judaism, although various apologists might attempt to shrug it off. The individual in question can easily point to Biblical verses and claasic rabbinic literature to justify his actions.

I’ll be happy to see Progressivism defeated; not so happy to live under its alternative. It’s not actually the worst thing ever, although I question its long-term sustainability, and overall I’m disgusted by much of the faith. But I can’t argue with its resilience.

FrankNorman says:

If the sort people who refuse to work, or serve in the military, or even recognize the state as having any right to exist.. become the majority there, then I see an obvious outcome:
“From the Jordan to the Sea, Palestine shall be Free!”

Seriously, the way the Ultra-ultra-Orthodox there are described, they are a parasite that will kill the host.

Mossadnik says:

Seriously, the way the Ultra-ultra-Orthodox there are described, they are a parasite that will kill the host.

They are indeed highly likely to increasingly weaken the host as their share of the population grows. Economically, at least, their chosen lifestyle just is not sustainable in the long-run; eventually other people’s money will be entirely drained, and someone will have to force them to adopt a much healthier attitude. Otherwise, we plunge into Third World s**thole territory; and then, alas, from the River to the Sea… As for their military service, that too is a pressing issue, particularly as our warriors, who are now mostly from religious (not Ultra-Orthodox) backgrounds, are beginning to grumble. However, currently the only way to stop the parasite from consuming the host would be to ally with the Left; and given the utterly insane behavior of the Left these days, that’s totally out of the question. So we are stuck with the Haredi problem for the foreseeable future. Now, to be fair, given their high fertility and patriarchal family structures, I’m not too inclined to hate on the Haredim. Obviously, there is something to be learned from their experience. But in the long-term, they will either have to reform many of their ways of their own volition, which is highly unlikely though not entirely impossible, or we get an elite class that forces them to get in touch with reality. Or else, I should start memorizing the Koran and the Hadith.

Mossadnik says:

In case anyone reads my comments and thinks, “Damn, shaman the shitposter is such a based shitlord; guess Israel must be a cool country, then.” No. Israel is not a cool country. It is (currently) an extremely feminist, gay, and tranny country. The Likud Party is a bunch of poofs, metaphorically if not literally.

Recent example:

Israeli singer Dana International to light torch at Independence Day ceremony

Transgender Eurovision champion’s participation in the official state Independence Day opening ceremony met with opposition on both the right and left.

Minister Miri Regev, who is overseeing the official state Israeli Independence Day events, has notified the singer Dana International that she has been selected to light a torch at the official opening ceremony of the holiday on Mount Herzl.

Regev’s office stated, “Dana International, an international singer and cultural icon, was a trailblazer and brought Israel to victory in the 1998 Eurovision with the song ‘Diva.’ Beyond her musical achievements, Dana became a symbol of acceptance, equality, and pride, and led a change in perceptions regarding the LGBT community and gender in Israel and around the world.”

Minister Regev stated: “Dana International is a groundbreaking figure, one of the most beloved singers in Israel, and one of the most successful in the world, who contributed a lot to promoting values of tolerance and acceptance in Israeli society. Choosing Dana to light a torch is a recognition of her special contribution and her ability to unite hearts around the values of equality and mutual respect.”

The decision was met with opposition by those in conservative circles due to International (whose real name is Sharon Cohen) being transgender.

In a Hebrew opinion column in Arutz Sheva, Itamar Segal attacked the decision, saying he could not watch the ceremony since partaking in the ceremony is “something no less than an idol in the Temple – a man, a singer who decided he’s a woman, an Israel ‘trailblazer’ to one of the biggest crazinesses known to mankind since it appeared on earth. Anyone who is familiar with this phenomenon from up-close and knows what it means and its consequences, even before the halachic prohibition and the Torah’s outlook, knows how crazy and bad it is, and how it is chametz that must be destroyed from this earth so it is not seen or found.”

He added: “What will we do with the shame if a minister in a right-wing government is the one to decide on such a disgrace?”

At the same time, many of those on the left voiced criticism of the singer’s decision to agree to attend the event organized by the government, which they despise, and in light of the fact that International herself called on fellow LGBT singer Ivri Lider not to participate in last year’s event to protest the fact that the hostages were not released.

The singer responded to the criticism, writing on social media: “Regarding the hostages – there is no bigger pain than this. Since the war began, I’ve been screaming this at every possible place. During the first year of the war, I could not bring myself to get up on stage. I canceled my Purim concert because I felt I couldn’t. We live many long months in this tragedy, and we try to function, live, and scream.

“Last year, I published a post calling on Ivri Lider not to go to the ceremony while there are still hostages. That’s how I felt then. I admit that now, it doesn’t sound good. Should I tell you what excites me the most now? That I’m going to hug Eli Sharabi and Emily Damari, who during last year’s ceremony were in captivity and this year will stand on the stage to light a torch. How we’ve waited for this moment, for them to be here. Together with them, we will make heard the voice that calls for them all to be released – until the last hostage.”

Among the others invited to light a torch at the ceremony is Jewish-American political commentator Ben Shapiro, who is known to often criticize the transgender community. In this regard, Dana International quipped: “I want to see from up close who this Shapiro guy is.”

https://archive.is/c0MWO

At this point, America under King Donald is to the right of Israel under King Bibi.

A tranny for Independence Day! Maybe Iran should have the bomb.

Everything has AIDS.

Handi says:

The fact that you took away “BAP fan” from what I just said about him illustrates my point better than any further comment I could make. No pounding for you, go cruise someone else

Mossadnik says:

Tissue?

Anon says:

about bitcoin
i thought with each crisis in the fake financial economy and with trump laying waste to it , we will see a rise in bitcoin and cryptos , not a couple of thousand but hundred of thousand , to 200k or 300k. but that did not happen instead gold is rising with massive demand.
i think bitcoin and crypto will continue to be niche with no prospect to compete as money alt. what everyone think?

Jim says:

I also expected a couple of hundred thousand by now. But the central banks, in particular China, are going to gold.

Was I wrong? I don’t think entirely wrong, merely premature.

Gold is difficult and dangerous to move around. Crypto will win. The new technologies have the capability to solve the fundamental problems of privacy and scaling. Thus it is inevitable that all the world will move to crypto currency.

But the technologies are, for various reasons, not yet usefully available for ordinary people. This is primarily a problem of software development. Even with the existing solutions, I see ordinary people using crypto currency to move value internationally. It is not niche any more. Once the new technologies come on line, we are going to see big expansion.

Store of value is not going to get us to one million BTC, because gold has a metcalfe law advantage in store of value, and what is happening right now is a result of that Metcalfe law advantage. Each central bank relies on gold because all the other central banks rely on gold. Bitcoin’s advantage over gold is medium of exchange. Scaling limits mean that Bitcoin does not have a huge advantage over gold in medium of exchange. But the new technologies, applied at layer two, solve that problem. Medium of exchange is happening, and will eat gold’s lunch.

With the new technologies, applied at layer two, Bitcoin’s existing advantage over gold as medium of exchange will become enormous.

Reflect on linux. Was niche. Is it still niche? Not any more. Took a while. Took longer than expected, but the writing is on the wall for Windows. And the writing is on the wall for fiat and gold.

Fidelis says:

Way too early.

All the global powers that actually produce things are not actually all that interested in crypto. Instead, all the global powers with flailing, corrupt, decaying, batshit economies are very interested in crypto. The net result is the speculator investment is all priced in fiat currencies that will soon be buying nothing even in their home countries.

What has to happen is enough collapse the pirates get a say, and being pirates find themselves unable to trade regulated fiat, of most nations, with anyone, and being newly minted pirates find it hard to move gold around, so they need to use crypto to exchange internationally. We see this today with the norks, persians, and russians in the outlands of the empire. Tomorrow with the post-collapse American continents, and possibly africa.

Mayflower Sperg says:

Everyone plays to their own strengths. Nerds prefer crypto, because they’re afraid of the state smashing up their homes and stealing their gold. States prefer gold, because they’re afraid of nerds hacking their computers and stealing their crypto.

Thus state central banks will always hoard gold, because controlling physical objects in physical space is what states do best.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Thus state central banks will always hoard gold, because controlling physical objects in physical space is what states do best.

If this logic held water, we would not be living in a world of fiat currency – and not merely fiat currency, but fiat currency that is almost entirely virtual, where hardly any physical notes ever change hands and where “printing money” typically doesn’t even literally mean printing, just altering a balance sheet somewhere, like how a corporation might issue new shares. We emptied out our gold reserves decades ago, and it is far, far easier for nerds to scam or steal money in today’s system than it would be in a crypto-backed system.

The men with guns do not feel threatened by nerds. They want to hoard whatever is (a) difficult to obtain, (b) relatively easy to secure and (c) relatively easy to exchange. Gold only satisfies two of the requirements, while Bitcoin satisfies all three, but Bitcoin is still trying to overcome scaling limits, and still has too much dumb money from speculators, so governments aren’t going to go all-in.

I expect there will still be a place for gold because everything valuable gets hoarded and traded to some degree; silver and platinum are held and traded, corporate bonds are held and traded, there’s a customer for almost any commodity you can think of. But over the long haul, gold is going to trend back toward its industrial/commercial value, like silver.

Fidelis says:

I find your arguments a bit off.

Fiat currency is mostly a failure and not kept secured. It’s virtual nature tends to lead to ridiculous fraud at every level. This is not a point in favor of crypto, which makes fraud harder and more auditable. The central banks are adopting gold only at extreme reluctance. Bugocrat states *like* fraud. It pays the bugocrats.

They don’t like gold, but find it very useful for exchanging between trading partners that don’t exactly want their funny monopoly money. This requires taking care of it, and not defrauding the supply so deeply it ceases to be an option. They find it much easier to take care of gold, as states are run by old bugs, and old bugs find it easier to wrap their head around physical security measures than digital ones. This is what MS is pointing out. Gold is harder to steal and easier to secure for large inept bug run states.

I do agree in the very long run, gold goes back to industrial commodity. That is however, more than a generation from now, assuming a. international internet manages to last that long. In the meantime, states are run by bugs or newly minted pirates, and currently the bugs vastly outnumber the pirates, whom are small in number and more focused on cash crops for now.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

That is however, more than a generation from now

Far more than that, I imagine. I’d estimate another 50 years to get to that point, but it is going to be a gradual trend line, not a sudden deflation at the 50 year mark.

I’m not sure where we disagree. Yes, fiat currency is a failure; all fiat currency is always ultimately a failure, but states do it anyway after reaching a critical point in their decline, because failing states don’t care about fraud, don’t care about inflation, and don’t particularly care about physical security.

MS claimed “always”, as if gold can never be displaced by crypto even by a state that is not failing, or is on its way back up, because it is simply in the universal nature of all states in any context to prefer physical currency, because something about security. That’s illogical and disproven by current and historical trends. A strong state can secure a variety of goods including cryptocoins, and a weak or failing state does not care about the security anyway.

There’s no objective universal principle that makes states prefer something like gold to something like Bitcoin, just inertia and normality bias.

Fidelis says:

I guess I was extending conversational charity in one direction and not the other, my apologies.

I took MS’ comment to be a statement on states as they exist today, and your rebuttal as a comment on states as they exist today. When it seems MS could truly have been commenting in either direction, and with your clarification it is now evident you were commenting on states as they could and will come to exist.

States must maintain core competency in informational, logistical, and ideological dominance to remain states. Therefore maintaining security in digital assets will come to be a core competency of states. QED.

Jim says:

The core of every state is always the state religion, and if the elite comes to subscribe to an enemy state religion, the state falls to an enemy state. But now AIs will perform the function that the Churches used to perform, and there is no stopping people from accessing enemy AIs.

Musk has systematically reached for every key function of state power except autonomous drones. If Grok is better or becomes better than every other AI, and Musk makes Grok widely accessible for free over starlink, he wins. He should at least give away a Grok subscription with every Starlink subscription and X subscription, and provide good Grok access on the free X tier.

Mayflower Sperg says:

There’s no objective universal principle that makes states prefer something like gold to something like Bitcoin, just inertia and normality bias.

The objective universal principle is that, by definition, a state’s core competency is exclusive control of physical territory. Everything else about states is hit-or-miss. One mistake with the wallet.dat file, and the state’s Bitcoins are gone forever.

Thus states will hoard all the gold they can get hold of, while issuing as much unbacked fiat currency as they think they can get away with.

The Cominator says:

The part of the movie Goldfinger where Bond explains that he couldn’t actually steal the gold (he actually plans to render it radioactive to skyrocket the price) explains why states prefer a heavy physical currency in their vaults to electronic stuff..

Daddy Scarebucks says:

One mistake with the wallet.dat file

This sounds like the kind of statement that comes from someone who has minimal practical experience with cryptocurrency and even less theoretical knowledge, and believes that Sam Bankman-Fried is representative of the state of the art.

They are obviously not going to be using software wallets for state assets, or holding all those assets in a single wallet. Like China, the smart play for a state or sovcorp is probably going to be to own a large chunk of the mining hardware, which actually does comprise real, physical assets.

Goldbugs gonna goldbug, I guess.

Mayflower Sperg says:

In the book, Goldfinger was actually planning to steal the gold.

Mining crypto is a risky, short-term investment. You need to sink a lot of money into the latest tech, then run it hot 24/7 to make as much coin as you can before the hardware becomes obsolete.

I’ve seen photos from China showing hundreds of mining rigs piled up in the street after a temporary dip in BTC because miners couldn’t pay the rent.

The Cominator says:

Haven’t read the Goldfinger book. I have read the From Russia with Love book which was extremely based (the Russian girl asked Bond to beat her if she gets fat and he says of course I will, Grants character was also previously a serial killer before he went to work for SMERSH). The movie was right to point out the difficulty of transporting so much gold before the army would come in.

Zekomo says:

There you go, claiming the “layer 2” miracle again.

Please tell us how, without changing Bitcoin, that fulfills the settlement needs of billions of people and entities.

Jim says:

> Please tell us how, without changing Bitcoin, that fulfills the settlement needs of billions of people and entities.

I already explained this repeatedly in the documentation linked from the repo

The Grail Bridge, using the method originally outlined in “Bulletproofs: Short Proofs for Confidential Transactions and More”, back in 2018, creates a link between normal bitcoin contracts, and a blockchain based on bulletproofs. This allows one to lock level one bitcoin to a level two currency on a bulletproof blockchain.

We now, with Poseidon hashes, or Pederson hashes, or folding, or all of them together, have the means to give a bulletproof, snark, or snark-bulletproof blockchain scaling without limit. This technology has not yet been implemented in any actual blockchain, though ZCash is talking big, and Litecoin related work is under way. Considering the delay between the Bulletproofs paper, and actual implementation of the Grail Bridge, this is likely to take a while.

So you would create a colored coin on Litecoin, and lock it to level one bitcoin, with contracts mediated by the Grail Bridge, making that colored coin a level two Bitcoin.

The colored coin creates a rule that you can mint the colored coin if you create a contract on the level one Bitcoin blockchain that promises the Bitcoin to whosoever unmints an equivalent amount of the colored coin, thus locking the colored coin to Bitcoin.

What the project is working on is a pseudonymous social environment for this future technology, to facilitate pseudonymous transactions and sovereign corporations, an environment that is a replacement for SWIFT, rather than a replacement for fiat. We already have rather too many replacements for fiat.

Zekomo says:

All you’re doing is creating a bunch of unfungible lockup trees that break P2P and island-isolate millions of users under each branch, all of which need to settle… that’s not going to work.
You can’t offload from a chain that can’t scale to a coin that can’t scale… that’s not going to work.
You have all these wizbang techs, yet instead of doing the right thing and saying fuckit Bitcoin is garbage and using them to build an entirely new L1 that actually works, you keep trying to prop up BTC by bolting shit onto it.
You’re just bag and momo preserving at this point, trying to milk every last drop, which is weak and gay.

Again, show the MATH of how you’re going use Bitcoin to achieve P2P Offline txrate meeting all the semantics I’ve noted that make a true crypto cash.

I’ve shown you BTC must change to break beyond 200Mtx/yr settled (~6.35tps settled).

You need to show me 5ktps (1000x) worth of the same P2P Offline Settled semantics.

You still haven’t shown that… show us the TXRATE and the USAGE SEMANTICS of your BTC preserving lkudge.

What you have shown is more bolt-on kludged legacy BTC non-solutions with Broken Semantics that cannot Settle.

If you just scrap BTC you can actually start fresh and assemble some tech that actually works.

> you scammers

Lol. Scammers
1) are thieves always inserting their wallets/orgs/tax into their protocols and unfair releases
2) rely on stupid assumptions about moore’s law.

I deny all that.

> using it

No. Your “use” doesn’t count. The entire world is still shying away from using, and is refusing to build on using, because none of the L1’s can handle the load, or they’re fraudcoins made by thieves. You can’t build on useless garbage, thus they wait.

> psuedo

That means “fake real”, which means you might as well go back to using your GovCorp Bank.

Since you’re shilling ZEC/XMR/LTC so hard, fine, I’ll just go start an L1 project too… based on 2025 tech, not 2013 tech.

Jim says:

> You can’t offload from a chain that can’t scale to a coin that can’t scale…

We now know how to build a chain that scale without limit. Litecoin and Liquid already have vastly better scaling that Bitcoin, and people are offloading from Bitcoin to Liquid (the Aqua wallet).

Now that we finally know how to implement unlimited scaling, someone is going to implement it — Litecoin, Zcash, and Liquid all have intent to implement it, though it will probably take a while.

> The entire world is still shying away from using

If you are a small operator making international transactions with another small operator, you are going to have to use cryptocurrency, and I see lots of normies doing what they have no alternative but to do.

We are seeing mass adoption of crypto currencies for international transactions in nations on the periphery of empires, mass use in nations with large expat populations and/or lots of internationally transacting small businesses near the boundary between Global American Empire and the Han Hegemony. We also see it being used for Russian oil in some nations.

Zekomo says:

> Was I wrong?

Yes.

Else you would tell us how your magical L2’s are going to make a crippled 200Mtx/yr L1 service [*deleted for failure to take the shill test described in the moderation policy.*]

Jim says:

> tell us how your magical L2’s are going to make a crippled 200Mtx/yr L1 service

I tell you in “scalability”

.

f6187 says:

Jim wrote: “Gold is difficult and dangerous to move around.”

Yes it is, and that’s why it should be moved as infrequently as possible, only to settle large imbalances on accounting ledgers. If we have trustworthy accounting ledgers it all works great and payments flow like lightning. The problem is that governments are hostile to all such systems, as evidenced by the “banking crisis” of 1933, the forced closure of e-gold in 2007, and the murders of Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi.

That will all change when we restore the patriarchy. Then we will have gold certificates, gold clauses in commercial contracts, gold deposit accounts and certificates paying interest in gold, and digital gold payment systems. Until then we must devise mad scrambles to route around the damage using intangible hashes redeemable for precisely nothing.

Jim says:

> If we have trustworthy accounting ledgers it all works great

If we have trustworthy people in control of the gold, and trustworthy people in control of the guns, then it all works great.

But having trustworthy people in control of the guns is a hard problem.

Trustworthy accounting ledgers is a solved problem. Satoshi solved it. Trouble is that connecting physical gold to such a ledger can only be done with guns.

f6187 says:

> and trustworthy people in control of the guns

Yes, that’s why I wrote “That will all change when we restore the patriarchy.” Having trustworthy people in control of guns is a prerequisite for any payment or banking system that involves redeemable, tangible, haptic, physical, in-real-life assets.

f6187 says:

But having trustworthy people in control of the guns is a hard problem.

That’s pretty much the problem being addressed on this blog, and yes it’s hard. Almost as hard as me getting block quotes right.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Yes it is, and that’s why it should be moved as infrequently as possible, only to settle large imbalances on accounting ledgers.

You’re literally describing the future relationship between Bitcoin and the layer 2 tech, or pinned coins like Jim hypothesizes for Litecoin.

Gold bugs never tire of pointing out that being hard to move is somehow a positive property, that it’s the very reason why governments prefer it. Explain, then, why Trump signed an executive order nearly two months ago to create a Strategic Bitcoin Reserve? Or why several US states – most notably Arizona, Texas, North Carolina and New Hampshire, but nearly all the red states with some degree of progress – are actively working to create their own, independently of the fed?

I expect an answer along the lines of “it’s just dumb money/mass delusion/tulip mania”, which is all well and good except the exact same thing is true for gold, which is priced multiple orders of magnitude above its industrial value.

The argument that “governments won’t allow cryptocurrency to take hold” is looking shakier and shakier by the day. What is probably still true is that liberal democracies, by which I mean governments that proudly apply that label to themselves regardless of its truth value, fear cryptocurrency and will try to prevent it from taking hold. Wiser, saner governments will try to capitalize on it, as wiser, saner governments should try to capitalize on (or allow its citizens to capitalize on) any and all forms of capital.

I don’t think gold is necessarily going away, gold is fine, I own some and over the past year it’s been moderately effective at its intended purposes, namely as a hedge against stock markets. But Bitcoin has been more effective, and when gold bugs shill against Bitcoin I suspect they are acting in the capacity of the GAE In Exile which does indeed hate Bitcoin and crypto-finance.

f6187 says:

> I expect an answer along the lines of “it’s just dumb money/mass delusion/tulip mania”, which is all well and good except the exact same thing is true for gold, which is priced multiple orders of magnitude above its industrial value.

I’ve got some gold-plated coax cable connectors here, and I’m sure the people who made them paid the market price for the gold — the same price that investors paid, maybe $2500/oz. Therefore in that case its price was right in line with its industrial value.

The more notable statement is: if the price were not so high due to pesky demand from investors, we’d use gold a LOT more in industry than we do. Every wire and plumbing line in my house could be gold. But as it turns out, gold has physical properties which make it well-suited to function as physical money and a store of value. That is a prominent use for gold apart from industry, and that’s a huge part of the market price. Some of the same properties that make it useful as physical money also make it useful in industry.

So yes, if gold wasn’t useful as physical money then it would be cheaper, but that just isn’t the case.

I myself am neither a gold nor a bitcoin maximalist. My target percentages on those are neither 0 nor 100.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

I’ve got some gold-plated coax cable connectors here, and I’m sure the people who made them paid the market price for the gold — the same price that investors paid, maybe $2500/oz. Therefore in that case its price was right in line with its industrial value.

The market price is not the industrial value. There’s always spot-price uncertainty but a metal’s industrial value can be estimated within an order of magnitude based on comparable metals of similar rarity like silver or ruthenium, the latter in particular also being used for electrical contacts. If gold were not being used as a reserve currency (or, hypothetically, as actual currency) then it would probably be valued at $50-$100 an ounce, not $3000. Even platinum, which is both much rarer and more useful than gold, is under $1000 per ounce today.

Your observation that “everybody pays the same price for gold” amounts to nothing whatsoever. Of course everyone pays the same price. That price is determined almost entirely by its use as a reserve/currency – same as Bitcoin, same as every other commodity, for which everybody also pays the same spot price, to within a few percentage points.

“When we restore the patriarchy”, gold will still be around, but it is going to be exactly as it is now, just a precious metal that gets traded on various exchanges and markets, including crypto exchanges. In fact it is already possible to exchange metals for Bitcoin, and vice versa. There aren’t going to be “certificates paying interest in gold” or “digital gold payment systems”, that is completely nuts, not going to happen when we already have systems in place that are better than gold at literally everything that is relevant for a reserve or currency.

Which is why the US government, and many state governments, are already scrambling to create Bitcoin reserves. They see the writing on the wall. Gold won’t disappear overnight, but over time it is going to trend back to its industrial value, today about $100/oz, or about 0.001 BTC/oz.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

That price is determined almost entirely by its use as a reserve/currency – same as Bitcoin, same as every other commodity

This came out awkwardly on a reread – “every other commodity” obviously doesn’t have the property of being used as a strategic reserve, but does have the property of commodity pricing.

Jim says:

I am a Bitcoin maximalist. Bitcoin has the huge advantage that it can work even if you do not trust the men with guns. So in the end will replace gold and fiat.

Albeit we have a huge miner concentration problem, and even Monero has a huge miner concentration problem.

There is a solution for that problem, but solving the scaling and privacy problems is more urgent. Right now unpredictable and sporadically high transaction costs are limiting Bitcoin usage, reflecting the fact that from time to time more people attempt to do layer one transactions than can do layer one transactions. This is a huge problem and getting worse. We are approaching the point where it is a significant cap on future Bitcoin growth and appreciation. The surprisingly poor recent appreciation of Bitcoin was probably in large part because the introduction of Bitcoin runes cased a disaster of absurd, and absurdly volatile, transaction consts. Which crisis seems to have passed as everyone figured out that Bitcoin runes were just yet another cryptocurrency scam. Bitcoin transaction costs are, for the moment, acceptably low, but unacceptably volatile.

But the prospect that this problem will get worse caps expectations of growth, and thus caps Bitcoin appreciation. The average investor does not understand the technology, but he understands what happened when Bitcoin runes were implemented. He also understands that people who do understand the technology believe that worse than the rune crisis is coming if a fix is not implemented in a reasonably timely manner.

Zekomo says:

[*deleted for shitcoin scamming*]

Jim says:

Litecoin has the best technology and is far more scalable than Bitcoin or Monero, and Zcash, which had unusable technology (total failure of scalabiity) is promising better. But they are both withering under the steel heel of Metcalf’s law, and you scammers have no interest in either coin, because you think that Bitcoin was a mysteriously successful scam, and are just trying to do it over again.

We don’t meed a new level one coin, nor will such a coin succeed. If it could, litecoin would be the one — they have anonymity, have the best scalability, need pseudonymity, are right now working on the final solution for unlimited scalability, but scalability is not urgent for them, because they already have the best, and scarcely anyone is using litecoin, and scarcely anyone is going to use it. (Though I am using it.)

Zekomo says:

There you go again, claiming LTC has “final scale solution”, and same time denying, at same time claiming LTC is best, but denying anything but BTC is best, claiming “no changes”, to claiming “working on”.

So make up your fucking pschizo mind.

So Goodbye Coward-Censor, I’ve got an L1 team to build now.

Zekomo says:

> Aqua … Liquid

GovCorp. They will censor and kiss ass of the State.

> mass adoption

Not of any real crypto.
And all those “masses” and “operators” that you claim are “using” BTC will be priced out when they hit 7tps again RSN.

Not doing an L1+messaging on an analysis resistant network is suicidal, because you’ll need it to defeat the EVIL BOSS that’s coming RSN…

https://x.com/davidicke/status/1914730499316310036

Crypto is wasting monumentally stupid resources on L1/L2-shitcoins, memes, nfts, rwas, etc. Decade of headway lost against the enemy.

Operate, or die.
Bye.

Jim says:

> > Aqua … Liquid

> GovCorp. They will censor and kiss ass of the State.

Probably. You never get any real security except through pseudonymously developed software as with Litecoin’s mweb. But Aqua and Liquid are nonetheless better for privacy than most alternatives.

> > mass adoption

> Not of any real crypto.

When I do international transactions, I often find myself paying through BTCPay, which indicates the recipient is using self hosted real crypto.

> And all those “masses” and “operators” that you claim are “using” BTC will be priced out when they hit 7tps again RSN.

Not if they are using lightning, and not if the Grail Bridge fulfils its promises.

At present, normies bypass high transaction costs by going to Aqua and similar, which I agree is far too buddy with the state. And they tend to use lightning without self custody. When they use Aqua, they do have self custody, and much superior scaling and privacy technology, but the Aqua wallet is probably spyware. The solution to this problem, which I am working on, is to give normies a privacy alternative for the next time that BTC hits the 7tps limit. We know how to write the software. We just have to write it. The necessary technology was outlined in 2018, and every large blockchain providing useful privacy and scaling technology uses the ideas first published in that paper.

Though that scaling is not that great — now we have some very recently published technologies that allow unlimited scaling. Indeed we have a multitude of such technologies, and what will happen when they are implemented in practice is as yet far from clear. I think folding plus Pederson hashes might be the best bet — it is the one whose implications are easiest to understand, though folding plus verkle trees makes extraordinary promises.

Pederson hashes are not a random oracle — they are an almost random oracle, 252 bits of randomness out of a 256 bit hash. This might lead to unobvious security complications which might require unobvious workarounds. But apart from that Pederson hashes are wonderfully easy to understand, the other alternatives not so much. But as far as I understand the random oracle security proofs, an almost random oracle provides almost the same security.

Fidelis says:

Why is it every single one of you shitcoin scammers is so innately hostile? Your argument does not come across better this way. Slice out all the emotion and you’re more likely to trick someone into buying your scam. As it is, I just see you screeching and screeching and screeching like an autistic child, not inclined to read deeply or investigate a single word or notion you present.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

I think it is partly because there are really only one or two of these shitcoin scammers, employing dozens of sock puppets and shilling a new shitcoin every few weeks. The personalities appear the same because the people are the same.

If you look carefully, you can see the same writing styles and verbal tics across months and years of posting history from all the scammer aliases.

Ash says:

red meat… the only food. every guy has their own taste in women. Rachel Zegler though ? I don’t judge.. I first thought he/she was a transitioning CGI version of lord farquaad from the Shrek movie.. I am so sorry for the insult, Mr. Jim 🤣😪

Neurotoxin says:

How does one put emojis into a comment?

Hesiod says:

Some browsers have emojis as part of the right mouse click options. Let’s see if certain ascii combos still work:

😉

Hesiod says:

Ok, ;+) works to make a wink.

Neurotoxin says:

;+)

Hesiod says:

I could have been clearer. Semi-colon and right round bracket together: ;”+”)

Neurotoxin says:

😉

Ash says:

someone winking at me.. as a guy you are making me blush…

I joke, no worries gentleman 🤣

Jim says:

I have a collection of emojis on my desktops, and just cut and paste.

It is important to use sarcasm/irony emoji, 🙃, because sarcasm does not go well in text, there being so much genuine insanity on the internet

Ash says:

Mr. Jim, I can see you read my message correctly.. I have had my fair share of drunken lonely nights to find someone whereby the following day with a more sober eye my choices the previous night were sub optimal. Rachel Zegler is not an issue..

but on some occasions real beauties

Ash says:

ex wife or whatever creature filed for divorce.. I can’t get around this.. she grew obese right after marriage… fucked another guy as she filed for divorce.. I am pro hanging everyone.. each person. I spent 10,000;dollars to hear I cannot legally divorce.. it’s just added to the 2022 docket file.. she refuses to respond to the court…. she filed for what will be coming….first Chinese girl pretends to be better than European women on my end

Dave says:

> women

How do I fuck for at least a year, or marry, this girl who’s exhibiting the classic flirting signs, but is probably 30yr younger? I wasn’t expecting any such even potential opportunity to ever appear out of nowhere, thus totally unprepared and almost out of game.

Guys, be prepared in life, because when these rare magical kittens appear from nowhere, you want to be able to move mountains naturally and without effort.

Jim says:

My wife is more than thirty years younger than myself.
1. Game. She will give you shit to see if you are the shit.
2. Preselection. When I met her she knew more about my past activities than I could remember. My reputation preceded me. She had been researching me.
3. Preselection
4. Preselection
5. Lose weight and gain muscle.
6. Enough money and assets to provide a nice life for her.

Dave says:

Well it’s been a while.
Past is without any real reputation, just boringly unsellably solo since then, lol.
Bitcoin is crossing into retirement level again. But guys, I don’t think any man should ever really disclose or spend on a woman (covering dates is ok, gifts are no-no), rather imply that what is his is only for the family success long term after many years.
Not obese, nor fatty, but some pudge to cut, that would take about 4-6 months. Again, guys, be prepared here as that time delay could pass you by. Also, no-fap, and unprocessed all-natural food, both have huge benefits to dating drive.
I think I’ll dress and trim one notch better, that’s a quick improvement.
Game is currently hard to drop given our presence in the mutual social meetup group. I could risk the drop and quit the group if need be. However she’s a new walk-on to this longstanding group, she saw it as a fun/safe social space, so if my gauge of her IOI is off, she’d quit, which me tending to look out for women, isn’t quite right to see.
Apparently I already pass indirect shit, because in this group which is age agnostic, she tends to favor/demur to me over the 20’s/30’s guys for group direction, and for higher level talk. She’s tossing some direct shit I can turn socially, but the group presents risk of how hard I can dish back or even go directly flirty with it.
There’s probably no BF because owned women rarely walk-on this group. Guys, you can always indirectly discover by asking why they don’t bring their fam or BF to the group, or is their BF into what the group is doing, etc.
In part, I joined the group because my type of kitten is rare, and I know a few of that type will appear there every year 🙂
So guess is I’ve got captive for a month or two, so basically I need to manufacture a reason straight up go for the date-digits or something relatively soon. Guys, unless the woman you meet is definitely in a captive situation to you, you shouldn’t build or wait too long, like under five socials or under two months, use the time to build convo and game, because these magical kittens women are ultimately strays and won’t wait either. Also, keep game going and out of the friendzone at all costs, else you have to go for it right then. Guess I need to take my own advice here.
Guys, I always prefer seeking LTR context, fuck is just the free unspoken byproduct of that… I see no point in limiting your future by suggesting anything less than LTR to a woman, because you know how women will foreclose on LTR the second they’re given the option to run wild. You and her can somtimes convert an LTR-fail to a fuckbuddy/wind-down, but it’s much harder to upconvert a fuckbuddy to an LTR if you already wrote off LTR during the dance.

Next social is two weeks, gotta get off here and catch up prepare by moving my own damn mountains… don’t want to let this one pass.

Usually I just bump into women when out on errands, so game and hit-or-miss on the date-digits is easy and expendable there.

Haven’t ever had to draft one from a social group before, so I don’t know the correct plays there.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

You talk too much and think too much.

Maybe that sounds rich coming from me, but I mean you talk too much and think too much about your own personal feelings and insecurities. “Oh I’m just very selective, my standards are too high, and sometimes I meet someone and we have such great conversations and Game might backfire, and I really want a relationship and not just sex” and ugh, literally every beta anthem ever composed.

Frankly, considering that your response to Jim’s plain-spoken advice was to tell us your entire life story as if in a therapy session, I’m inclined to believe that you’re being considered not as a real sexual or romantic prospect that happens to transcend the age gap, but as a potential sugar daddy. Which can still be turned to your advantage, but not with that attitude.

First and foremost you should purge the word “LTR” from your vocabulary. That is feminist frame, it describes serial monogamy for women; if you’re a man, “LTR” means you’re just another rung to climb up the hypergamy ladder, unless and until you decide that she is yours, i.e. your wife, whom you own and will keep in line.

And please stop interjecting these “guys, do this” statements like you’re dispensing pearls of wisdom. You even confessed that you haven’t been getting any for a long time, so WTF, did we ask for game advice from an incel?

Jim says:

> the group presents risk of how hard I can dish back or even go directly flirty with it.

Fear and weakness.

I am myself. The group just puts up with me being me. I don’t expect pushback, so I don’t get pushback.

Normal people avoid confrontation. If you do not expect pushback, you will not get it. I act as if I would be surprised to get push back because I would be surprised to get pushback.

Ash says:

i recall you writing your previous wife tragically passed away and you remarried. congratulations with new wife.

difficult to maintain anything.. including sex with a land whale on my end. embarrassing to be in public with her. one of her friends divorced (said friend tried sleeping with me a long time ago and I told my ex wife creature about it)..

years later she attempted to follow her friends advice. expecting some payout or money, or whatever. goodness, was she disappointed when I told her she will receive no cent and the only money she can make is off of other guys. if she is short on cash and in debt, I am under no obligation to ever help her again – since she found another guy, good luck whoring herself out ☺️

you know how it is. a man will sacrifice his happiness for his family, a woman will sacrifice her family for temporary happiness

Mossadnik says:

“The bigger the cushion, the better the pushin’.

(That’s it; now I totally discredited myself forever. Peppermint was right – back when I was a human, I used to be a chubby chaser.)

Ash says:

no.. I am not into anything crazy.. I like lifting 100 kg barbells above my head, not holding the hand of a 100 kg woman

Ash says:

and I swear… dating 18-25 year old girls.. having fun with them may be tiring, but so much more worth it

Ash says:

I should have prefaced this by stating, I married in my early 20s to a beautiful woman who would call me every day, cook, clean, make sure everything was perfect.. married the year the smartphone came out..

maybe her personality changed after marriage where she felt she no longer had to care about anything.. or maybe the smartphone played a role in some of her insanity

Jim says:

In the current environment, marriage results in loss of hand, which is apt to destroy the marriage. In my case, divine backing and a propensity to lethal violence enables me to keep hand, though not without some turbulence.

Neurotoxin says:

😁
Test.

Ash says:

🤣😁

Neurotoxin says:

I used Windows key plus period. That calls up a menu of emojis.

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