Fill the stars and subdue them

We shall outgrow the earth, and fill the solar system.

We currently utilize energy equivalent to less than one percent of the total solar energy falling on the earth, and it seems unlikely we can grow a whole lot further without stepping on each other’s toes so hard that we fall into a civilization ending war. We are currently at 0.73 on the log linear scale between Kardashev I and Kardashev II.

We are already running into political difficulties at our current size — Nimbyism against new data centers, and the current fighting over the straits of Hormuz. It is technologically feasible to become a Kardashev 1 civilization while restricted to a single planet, but we will blow each other up first.

We probably probably encounter similar difficulties in reaching energy usage levels of Kardashev 2 — and a civilization ending war in space would be a lot more final than a civilization ending war on earth. It would eradicate everything bigger than microbes.

Once we capture fair bit more than the total solar energy falling on the earth, (Kardashev 1 and a bit) then interstellar travel using beamed power becomes reasonable (trips take decades, rather than millennia) so we are going to settle other stars before solar civilization destroys itself.

We might destroy the solar system first, but probably not. It is big, and we probably get the interstellar capability before we get the total destruction capability.

Musk is already making a small start on harnessing useful amounts of off earth solar energy, correctly stating that there is no room for the proposed expansion of data center energy usage. Not literally and physically no room, we have ample physical and technological capacity to do it, but its getting short enough that people are quarreling over energy consumption and cooling requirements. And right now, in the straits of Hormuz, those quarrels have gotten seriously out of hand. Empty tankers are sailing to Iran, filling up with oil, and when they leave the US pirates them. As President Trump commented, piracy is very profitable. When space gets crowded, intercepting other people’s sunlight is going to become profitable. As long as people have room to grow in a single orbit in a single orbital plane, they can always just move their entire habitat away a bit to avoid conflict, but once we fill that plane, and need to use other orbital planes, which we would need to use to in order form a Dyson sphere rather than merely a Dyson ribbon around the sun, people are going to start temporarily cutting off each other’s sunlight. One could arrange for compensation — when one habitat cuts off another temporarily, it arranges for payment for energy to be beamed to the shadowed habitat for the duration, but people are going to argue over it, and as space gets more crowded, those arguments are going to become difficult.

How big can a Dyson ribbon civilization grow within a single orbit in a single orbital plane.

TLDR. Mighty big, big enough that there is no problem doing interstellar travel on beamed energy.

A single habitat can grow to any length along the orbit. Inwards and outwards from the orbit, which they will need for cooling, it is limited by tension caused by tidal forces. Above and below the orbit, which they will need to intercept sunlight, it is limited by compressive tidal forces, which tend to push stuff back towards the orbital plane. The inwards and outwards tidal forces are equal in magnitude, but opposite in sign. One is pulling, one is squeezing. Tension is easier to build against than compression, so the limit is going to be holding solar panels far above and far below the orbit.

Lets assume modest strength of materials, and we build well within those strength limits. Assuming very strong materials and building out to the absolute limit of strength does not change the picture all that much — super strong materials help with tension, but they do not help as much as you would expect with compression. The practical limit for steel skyscrapers is vastly below the theoretical limit for steel, and not as much above concrete skyscrapers as one would expect, while tensioned structures like suspension bridges routinely accomplish a good fraction of the theoretical limit.

Solar panels extending 70 000 km above and below the orbital plane, extending a width of about ten earth diameters, need resistance to crushing similar to that of a four story building on earth, so that is probably the practical limit of size of a habitat.

So the practical limit of a space habitat is about 10 earth diameters. Its practical volume however, is limited by cooling and power collection, so its actual practical contained volume is tiny in comparison to the earth. Its livable area, however, is about sixteen times larger than surface area of the earth, sixty times larger than the land area of the earth, a hundred and fifty times larger than the area of the earth that is not desert, covered in ice, or under water.

These habitats will not look much like what we think of as a space ship, they will look more like plants or chandeliers. A plant wants to occupy a large surface area with a small mass and and small inner volume, so has lots of thin bits sticking out a long way, as slender as strength of materials allows. And with no wind, no gravity, and very mild tidal forces, that is long way.

A single space habitat can get very very big before strength of materials under tidal forces becomes a concern.

And there is room in a single orbit for about seventy thousand such habitats, any one of which would control about a hundred times as much energy as our current earthbound civilization, any one of which would be capable of sending an interstellar mission. The primary limit on doing an interstellar mission in a tolerable amount of time is that it requires a lot of power.

I earlier said that there was no limit in extending a habitat along the orbit. This is not quite true. If a habitat extends further along the orbit that it does inwards towards the sun and outwards from the sun, it becomes unstable. Tidal forces want to tip it over so that its mass is distributed radially, towards the sun and away from the sun. However individual habitats can connect with drawbridges that can extend or contract to accommodate orbital perturbations, much as ocean liner makes connections to port facilities in ways that can accommodate the movements of the ocean, allowing each individual habitat to hold a stable orbit by pushing neighboring habitats a little way in, or pushing them a little bit further. If one end of a chain of modules starts to drift sunwards, while the other drifts outwards, they can fix this by moving a little further apart and a little closer together once and orbit or so. You can also prevent single long habitat from the long axis tipping over by moving mass inside it back and forth in the long direction twice or so per orbit to vary the moment of rotational inertia, but it is a lot of mass, and moving entire sub habitats is probably going to be easier.

With a habitat that is a single compact volume, moving some of the mass inside, from the center to the ends and back again is going to be the easiest course, but with chandelier like structure, flexible connections are going to be the easiest course, and has the great advantage that if the tilt becomes too great to compensate, you can just disconnect for half an orbit or so. But either way, if the you have a city in space extending for substantially more than two hundred thousand kilometers or so along the orbit, you are going to need active stabilization. Which is already standard on tall skyscrapers to protect against resonant wind rocking. Active stabilization by stretching habitats a little bit closer and a little bit further scales better for enormously long structures than moving mass from the center to the ends and back again.

They would, however, remain somewhat separate political entities, for if one unit did not like the consensus of the other units, it could disconnect and go someplace else, as if New Jersey could decide it did not like New York State governance and fly off to join Texas, or go it alone some place else. Each unit remains a space ship, a very big and very slow spaceship, but still a spaceship. It will have a captain, and the captain has to go along with the port authority when he is in port, but he does not have to be in any one port.

Dyson sphere

I don’t think a Dyson sphere is feasible for us, due to moral limits rather than technology and availability of materials. We are fallen angels and risen killer apes.

A Dyson sphere cannot be one contiguous object, due to strength of materials limits. It has to be a vast number of ribbons, each at angle to each of the others, each composed of a vast stream of many vast chandelier space ships.

This angle involves a vast number of spaceships passing rather close to each other at rather high velocities, hence, Kessler syndrome: If someone throws a pail of garbage overboard, then years later it will hit something creating a large explosion.

If, on the other hand, the great preponderance of the material is in a single orbital plane in concentric orbits, we do not get Kessler syndrome.

Plus everyone is going to be occluding everyone else’s sunlight, leading to complicated political negotiations that are going to get tense. Plus, the technological advance necessary to and resulting from humans inhabiting space necessarily leads to each controlling a vast amount of energy, so the equivalent of a truck driver has the equivalent of nukes and rods from God.

Plus, the amount of material needed to build a comfortable Dyson sphere is well short of the amount of material in the solar system. If we did it, we would have to be rather stingy with matter. We are going to start quarreling over material resources well before we intercept a large portion of the sun’s sunlight, and we are going to be quarreling over sunlight well before we intercept a large portion of it.

Governance of solar civilization

People capable building a Dyson sphere are going to have to have to first build the Kingdom of God on Earth. Or the other extreme, Skynet, one entity with total control over everything and everyone. Heaven or Hell could do it. We, on the other hand, are going to blow ourselves up. A Skynet civilization could never reach the stars, partly because of its inherent rigidity, but mostly because Skynet will never be able to tolerate the existence of any entity independent of itself. When we reach the stars, we might well find a few Skynet civilizations that have been stagnant for geological time. We will not be able to talk to them, and they will shoot at us if we try to visit. You will recall how in the first couple of decades following the fall of the Soviet Union, the Globohomo empire became increasingly unable to tolerate the existence of any entity that was not converged to Harvard ideology — what Musk calls “the woke mind virus, Moldbug calls “the Cathedral”, and “Based Camp” calls “The urban monoculture” The Globohomo Empire was systematically cutting communication from Russia, interaction with Russia, and cooperation with Russia long before sanctions came into effect. What it could not control, it sought to isolate itself from.

When we get to the stars, we may find the ruins of rather more civilizations that destroyed themselves than silent, stagnant, senile, hostile Skynets, but Skynet is an obvious failure mode as we control more and more energy, and our extended phenotype becomes more and more fragile. The temptation is to try and fix war by concentrating power in the center. The UN became an instrument of Globohomo, and globohomo an instrument of the woke priesthood.

Practical governance of solar civilization would need to resemble the governance of the lands of Roman Empire after the Roman Empire in the West fell — to the extent that there was any, it consisted a bunch of independent chiefdom’s appointing Bishops, and the Bishops forming a Christendom wide consensus. Better, it could resemble the Holy Roman Empire before the Pope managed to get control of the appointment of Bishops — A Holy Roman Empire with little real power over its semi independent principalities, the principalities appointing priests, and the priests forming a consensus.

The Harvard consensus, the woke mind virus, or the urban monoculture, whichever you call it is rule by priests, an officially unofficial state religion, a theocracy. There is always an official religion and Christianity was the somewhat theocratic state religion of Christendom, giving the many fragments of the Roman Empire unity, and enabling the harmony of Europe. Organized Christianity, that for all its frequent idiocies, heresies, and wicked acts, was a vastly saner and healthier religion than our current one. That consensus kept the peace, somewhat. You think it did not? Compare with the pagans. Compare with the the Muslims. We are less likely to blow ourselves up if everyone is forced to repeat every Sunday “Peace on Earth to all men of goodwill.” Which also has the effect of encouraging outgroups to display goodwill. The Cathedral doctrine of “sucker punch a fascist” created its own opposition, and the Disney policy of making the fans weep and humiliating the beloved heroes of their IP did not put bums on seats.

From the fall of the Roman Empire to the modern period, Christendom was a multitude of tiny states. But each of the tiny states was substantially theocratic, and in this respect, all one state, though the Papal power grab split that one state into two. There were wars, many of them terrible, but none assembled vast arrays of combatants, none of them was potentially civilization ending. Rather, there were sometimes a lot of small wars. But substantially fewer, smaller, and less destructive than the strife of Pagan against Pagan, and Muslim against Muslim.

The slow path to to the stars.

A nineteenth century workshop can reproduce another nineteenth century workshop, but silicon chips and all that need a full industrial civilization to build everything a full industrial civilization needs. This trend might continue to get worse, but threedee printing and direct contact lithography is running in the other direction.

And another thing on the cards is that AI has vastly improved our capacity to design very large molecules, which may open the door to nanotechnology, allowing radical miniaturization of everything we need to produce anything, via the path of radically and fundamentally redesigning existing microbes — the soft wet path to nanotech.

People are currently attempting to use this radically improve photosynthesis — so far with complete lack of success. If they succeed, which is far from clear, it is the first step on a very long road, and they have not yet succeeded in that first step.

If we wind up being capable of packing our entire industrial base into something reasonably small (and that is not necessarily a reasonable consequence of readily foreseeable tech developments) then settling interstellar space becomes possible, moving from one interstellar comet to the next as the fusible run out. We would spread at about sixty to a hundred kilometers per second. But we don’t actually know how to render a family sized settlement self sufficient in space, while we do know how to build a beamed power device — it’s just a very big project by the standards of a Kardashev 0.73 civilization.

Interstellar material is so thin and spread out that there is no way we could move a large industrial base from one comet to the next, but if we could pack it all into something the size of a one thousand passenger cruise liner, we would be fine. The promise of nano technology is that you could slip your complete industrial base into your pocket. An acorn can build an oak tree, why not a city?

151 comments Fill the stars and subdue them

Anon says:

What the shape of economy in this type of space civilization will be?
Star Trek full luxury communism like, crypto /social network like etc.
I expect like today everyone no matter where they are at, 1 light year or 10 light year , will have the ability to communicate instantly same as today. I don’t know how but I expect it. Space and time will be compressed.

Magi says:

As in Time Enough For Love I suppose: many different economies and cultures spread lifetimes apart. Perhaps I’m just hopeful it will turn out that way.

I don’t think there will be a space communism though, too much against how humans work. Loads of different space monarchies and theocracies though.

Even if we are unified at one point, like a Christo/Aryan Jimian society or whatnot, eventually we spread out enough to diverge and select differently.

Personally I don’t assume we can communicate faster than we can move in an interstellar society. Oddly for the same reason you think otherwise, I’d say if you can compress space and time for a message perhaps you can for a person. So frontiers in all directions will be generations of travel away if space means anything at all.

The spacefaring future would most likely have to have an Amish quality about it, where technology is selected only for it’s benefits and rejected far more readily when the downsides are considered.

And even if there was instant communication without instant travel, the myriad of human societies across the galaxies would still be cut off from one another by sheer quantity. More men in the universe than atoms on earth, more societies of mankind than sand on the earth. Even if extreme longevity was achieved, and I think it would be, no one would have time to survey every society, they’d be multiplying faster than they could be explored. Even if a race overcame Dunbar’s number (and I don’t think they could, as I believe Dunbar represents a fraction of time it takes to maintain a meaningful relationship, not an absolute value of time a relationship costs, more absolute time does not give you time for more relationships) they still would be effectively isolated from the great majority of human cultures.

Probably the worst thing to happen to our race is fast travel and communication anywhere, it lets the illusion of similarity between people’s reign even as it makes it so much more obvious we are not similar.

It allows for the destruction of the soul of man by universal homogenization of man.

When we claim heaven we will not encounter that problem again.

S says:

There are three basic possibilities.

One is high quality humans matter; in that case, you aren’t getting space communism but one of the variety of social systems that reward high quality humans. The details are path and scenario dependent so we can speculate but it is difficult to make any certain answers.

The other two involve humans not mattering aka AI works. Benevolent AI, Star Trek full luxury communism, in the future humans don’t work, etc all require a benevolent singleton (there is zero chance of something like the Culture existing). If AI isn’t benevolent, good odds humanity dies. If it isn’t a singleton, you get competition between AI systems. Unlike humans, AI’s don’t need other AIs so any sufficiently severe competition results in humanity becoming an optional extra.

Jim says:

> The details are path and scenario dependent so we can speculate but it is difficult to make any certain answers.

Any system that relies on high quality men is going to collapse unless high quality men get adequate rewards and substantial power and influence, so, as result of the collapse that we are seeing of more equalist systems, as for example the Soviet Union and Europe, we are probably going to wind up with something rather like corporate monarchy and corporate aristocracy.

We are getting more tech oligarchs, and their power is increasing.

The reason Europe is in late Soviet stagnation and lurching into late Soviet collapse is that it is no place for high quality men. All the best men are fleeing Britain, and there are more startup techs in the Philippines than in all of Europe. Europe is making a good start to transitioning to a place that lives by sponging off tourists visiting the ancient ruins of greatness, marveling at ancient art and architecture that Europe no longer has the capability to create, and the statues of great men whose like can no longer exist in Europe.

Any place that the current rate of decline in intelligence associated genes continues reaches majority intellectually disabled, people who just cannot look after themselves, in seventy five years, and reverts to jungle or forest infested with cannibals.

Neurotoxin says:

Some stuff in the last paragraph is unclear. E.g., “We would spread at about sixty to a hundred kilometers.” Per…?
Or I’m missing something, I guess.

Jim says:

fixed. Kilometers per second.

Contaminated NEET says:

Somalis will fill our lands and subdue us. Nobody is going to colonize the solar system.

someDude says:

Dude, whats with the persistent demoralization porn? It can’t be mentally healthy

Hesiod says:

CN needs to lighten up and watch one or all of the original Star Wars trilogy. It’s May the Fourth, after all. Even The Empire Strikes Back is an optimistic film.

Contaminated NEET says:

Yay! The multicultural multi-species rebels and their stone-age Ewok buddies defeat the gratuitously evil authoritarian right-wing White male Empire, and everyone lives happily ever after and learns that hate and fear are always wrong. The enemy owns our minds.

Hesiod says:

If OG Star Wars is too woke for your tastes, there’s always some old-timey space opera such as Smith’s Lensman series or perhaps Burrough’s John Carter. However, keep in mind Carter, while a Confederate officer, miscegenated with a Martian princess.

Neurotoxin says:

“…miscegenated with a Martian princess…”

I prefer my women to have genetic structures that are based on DNA. But in Carter’s defense, Dejah Thoris was so. fuckin. hot.
https://www.amazon.com/Princess-Mars-Edgar-Rice-Burroughs/dp/0345331389

When I was 12 or 13 someone gave me that edition of that book and that may be the reason that to this day I prefer dark-haired women.

Zorost says:

Fuckin’ perverts, she wasn’t even a mammal.

Neurotoxin says:

She’s based on silicon instead of carbon, for all I know. But that image makes me experience… feelings.

Jim says:

Disney’s owners have told Disney to unhappen everything after the original trilogy, and start over. But the creatives are still hanging on, and want to do that by a time travel plot device, so that ever woker star wars exists in its own timeline.

As you correctly point out, Star Wars has been woke ever since Princess Leia rescued herself. That was the moment it started losing the fans.

But it still a win. Take the win and pocket it and march on to the next win.

The currently planned way of rebooting the original trilogy involves time travelling a girl boss from even woker Star Wars back into the original trilogy timeline to create the new timeline. Because original trilogy Han Solo was not cucked enough once Princess Leia rescued herself, so they want a girlboss from the even woker Star Wars universe to give him a real cucking.

Well, that seems to have been revised again. Girlboss comes in from the future, and then is immediately killed, setting the new timeline in motion. Someone at Disney has decided that girlbosses must die.

Instakilling girlboss from the even woker Star Wars universe is another win. Take the win and pocket it and march on to the next win.

It seems unlikely that Star Wars can be saved short of a full purge and inquisition that roots the left out of Disney top to bottom, but instakillig girlboss Ahsoka is a good start. Kathleen Keneddy gone, and her beloved girlboss Ahsoka returns to the Original Trilogy timeline to instadie, unhappening the entire girlbossed Star Wars universe. Win Win Win Win.

Yes, the original Star Wars became viley woke, and in the subsequent movies got even woker — but unhappening the subsequent movies signals intent to reverse course. Of course actually reversing course is going to be hard, because the staff is riddled with the woke mind virus. But there is intent to reverse course. If the top has decided to unhappen everything after the original trilogy, they know it is a bad path, which would imply they also know that path began at the much derided moment when slave Leia rescues herself.

Pax Imperialis says:

> Because original trilogy Han Solo was not cucked enough once Princess Leia rescued herself

That is one way of viewing it, and more right than what I’m about to argue, but take yourself back to being a young man or boy first seeing that scene. I myself barely remember the self rescue and had to review the clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7JhJAthwhg

She only acts after Luke effectively gave the go signal and has dealt with the majority of the actual threats. Her killing Jabba is ~30 seconds of total screen time and is split between more of Luke decimating his foes. I remembered being excited watching Luke and Han fighting for their lives and coming out victorious, not really anything else. She encounters practically no resistance and still physically struggles against a giant fat immobile slug who’s killing was ultimately pointless because Luke blew up everything anyways. Solo is in a weakened state, but the context of the ‘cucked’ state is one of a tragic heroic self sacrifice from the previous episode he is only now recovering from. The male viewers are not going to hold it against him, and narratively this would’ve been an excellent moment to begin building him back up into the Solo we celebrated.

Yes, a hard line interpretation is going to have problems with this, Solo should have been the one to go in and rescue her, but it’s so easy for a young viewer to handwave away the progressive interpretation it might as well not exist. And the really funny thing, I lied about Luke blowing up the ship. It was my faulty memory. It was actually Leia who was being handheld through the process with step by step instruction by Luke while he was getting shot at, and ultimately it was Luke who shot the gun.

It’s actually kinda hilarious and takes me back to military training with females. “Yes, you do point the gun in that direction” and “you have to pull the trigger”.

Where they did actually do Solo dirty, unforgivably so, was how he went from a smooth rouge in the first few films to being an actual cuck in this scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF8HgstqG5U

This was an actual wtf moment that took a bit of the high off the narrative at the time and has been slowly been eating away at my fondness of the film for years.

Jim says:

> take yourself back to being a young man or boy first seeing that scene.

I watched the movie in theater back when it was first released, and spontaneous groaned when Leia rescued herself because physically impossible and disruptive of plot dynamics. Leia was in a physical position where she had to be physically rescued.

Even if the heroes shot Jabba, she would still then need to be extracted from her restraint, and Han Solo should have done it. It ineradicablly pissed me off against Star Wars.

A girl cannot choke me even when she has her hands around my neck and is squeezing. I just laugh at her. No human could choke Jabba the Hutt. You need reasonable strong hands to choke someone, which is why rear naked choke is so much more effective. It is quite tricky for one human to apply enough force to another male’s throat to choke him. The pressure has to applied very precisely, or from a hold that gives you substantial mechanical advantage like the rear naked choke, or using a weapon like a garrote. Males have build anti choke muscular armor.

Leia rescuing herself is like five foot five slender action girl taking down nine mooks with one kick, a scene with which we have now become far too familiar, but was entirely new to me back then. Totally and shockingly breaks suspension of disbelief. I have been kicked enough to know what it takes.

The reason garrotes exist is that for a male to strangle another male barehanded is a substantial challenge of strength and skill. And even the most skillful of pressure point choke holds still requires quite a lot of brute force.

Xena Warrior Princess used to incapacitate men with one finger jab on to magical pressure points. @#$% that. It is more like trying to crack a rock by pressing a crowbar into a weakness in the rock. Still, the Xena action was not altogether unbelievable, because when she won a fight with a man, it was by improbable superiority in skill despite inferiority in strength. Leia was just impossibly strong. She performed a feat of superhuman strength, while none of the male heroes were depicted as having superhuman strength. Cucked all of them.

FrankNorman says:

A girl cannot choke me even when she has her hands around my neck and is squeezing. I just laugh at her. No human could choke Jabba the Hutt.

I’ll defer to your supposedly superior knowledge of Hutt anatomy. But an attractive white human female killing a bloated alien space-slug hardly looks “woke” to me… I think they’d want to side with the alien space-slug. Just saying.
They don’t see slavery as wrong, except when white people do it, because it’s really all about how much they hate white people.
And hot white women being Action Heroines has been a part of Sci-Fi for… a long time. Wokies have always hated it, because they hate hot white women.

And fans can always just say “Leia wuz using The Force without knowing it” or something like that.

Contaminated NEET says:

We have to understand where we are. We are not on the verge of expanding into the cosmos; we are on the verge of civilizational extinction. America is lost, and we’re not taking it back. Europe will be lost in the next two decades, and we’re not stopping it. Press, entertainment, bureaucracy, finance, and justice – our collective nervous system – are all firmly in the hands of enemies who want us wiped out. Because of this, we cannot organize to mount a defense, and even if we could, the overwhelming majority of even young, right-wing, White men would fight for the opposing side. Irrational optimism beats rational pessimism, except when it doesn’t. Queen Liliʻuokalani was irrationally optimistic, but it just made her a living joke. Against more brutal or less secure enemies, it would have gotten her and all her family painful deaths. Planning like conquerors when we’re refugees will create a disaster for us.

Magi says:

Yeah, we need to understand where we are. We are racial level repentance and ten years hard work away from setting our civilization aright and then ten more years of enjoying that prosperity to shoot for the stars.

Could easily see it in my lifetime.

Repentance is powerful. Real repentance where someone weeps for their lack of natural love and for their weak conviction when it comes to fighting for what’s good and right and Godly.

Biggest mind virus we have right now is the notion that religiosity means niceness and being inoffensive. Even stronger men I know ask me if wrath can come from God, because they’ve been indoctrinated with the nonsense that God is soft or that God expects us to be soft. It makes me sick when someone opines that morons are better Christians than Christians simply because Mormons conform and act nice. It disgusts me.

White men repent of their weak and faithless ways, even in a small percentage, 1% even, and we win. Women get taken back. Enemies get driven out even in 1000:1 battles. My grandfathers won 1000:1 battles against savage hoards, why are my brothers so meek?

A man should have his heart in heaven, and then he can move earth. This post is just talking about the practical logistics of heaven. I think Jim is accurately describing where we are at, and even admitted the hurdle to continuing on that path.

But even now, even today, the fall of my brothers does not much hurt my family, I still have obedient wives and prosperous children and happy grandchildren. The enemies are not so great, the problem is that our ought to be brothers all have humanism in their soul so they can’t even think outside it. So we see repentance and everything changes overnight.

Jim says:

> we are on the verge of civilizational extinction.

Indeed we are. But an imminent hanging is apt focus the mind. A long time ago I looked like Jabba the Hutt. Upon learning I had fatty liver disease. I took action.

The problem is being addressed — Vance and Musk are very focused on it. Will they succeed? Don’t bet against Musk, and don’t bet against Bitcoin.

Yes, the left has had two centuries of non stop win. But, as civilisational doom imminently looms, they are facing head winds. Musk being among those headwinds.

Varna says:

Re: fatty liver and instantly taking proper action.

Humans, during their life, frequently pass through situations of non-lethal collapse, and also frequently enough approach a point of irreversible lethal collapse. Basically everyone looking back can say “at points A, B, and C I was a hair away from disaster but for the grace of God.”

The same can be said of organizations, communities, and civilizations. Sometimes they go through non-lethal collapses, sometimes they approach an irreversible lethal collapse. Just because they approach it, doesn’t mean it’s fated to inevitably occur.

At a more primitive individual level, even just counting the near misses during decades of driving, and of running into dangerous people on the street, can add up to hundreds, even thousands of moments when the grim reaper was breathing down one’s neck, but then left.

Plus, there is an element of hubris in assuming one can plainly see all possible variables converging inevitably at one future point. It’s one thing to acknowledge potential likely outcomes, another to adamantly insist “I’ve got it all figure out I can see the future of technology, society, and the interaction of 8 billion people and innumerable AI agents and environmental elements.”

There is always an almost infinite amount of variables we’re not aware of. If all else fails, this is the realm where irrational optimism that drives needed action lives. Admitting that one is not omniscient and all-knowing can be rather motivating.

Cloudswrest says:

Upon learning I had fatty liver disease. I took action.

NAC and Choline supplements do wonders for fatty liver. In fact, inadequate choline will CAUSE fatty liver.
AI summary

Choline deficiency is a direct and reversible cause of fatty liver disease (hepatic steatosis) because choline is essential for synthesizing phosphatidylcholine, which packages triglycerides into very-low-density lipoproteins (VLDL) for export from the liver. Without adequate choline, fat accumulates within hepatocytes, leading to liver damage that resolves rapidly upon choline repletion in controlled studies.

Jim says:

My problem was that I was fat, and getting to healthy weight and muscle fixed everything.

Neurotoxin says:

“the overwhelming majority of even young, right-wing, White men would fight for the opposing side.”

LOL.

Pax Imperialis says:

That was pretty delusional even by CT’s standards. The Black Pill took him off the deep end.

Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

The idea that the young men on the right would side with leftists is so retardedly absurd it has to be a psychological defense mechanism.

Contaminated NEET says:

They are creatures of hierarchy and order, even more than most people. They will grumble, and they will badmouth upper management, but they generally trust and respect their immediate superiors and they will follow orders. When the time comes and the order is given, enough of them will fire on extremist White supremacist domestic terrorists. How did 40000 Manchus dominate 400 million Chinese for centuries? Or 10000 British dominate the uncountable masses of India? They didn’t persuade them, or brutalize them, or bribe them; they simply inserted themselves at the top of society’s existing default hierarchy, and everyone just went with it.

Jim says:

> When the time comes and the order is given, enough of them will fire on extremist White supremacist domestic terrorists

That depends on the level of organisation and effectiveness of the “white supremacist terrorists”. When a one man engaged in a very competent terror campaign against cops, unquestionably and obviously a bad guy, police were paralyzed.

When “Tutsi warlords” went after the white troops holding the Rwandan government in existence, they retreated and then ran away. Doubtless partly because they were French, but also because they knew that what they were doing was terribly wrong.

Observed behavior of cops is that when carrying out wicked orders, they run dead, carrying those orders out with considerably less effectiveness and diligence than their normal level of sloth. Order an army to fight for an evil cause — well it is hard enough to get men to fight for a good cause.

> How did 40000 Manchus dominate 400 million Chinese for centuries? Or 10000 British dominate the uncountable masses of India?

They dominated them the same way they conquered them in the first place. I have discussed this with our Indian friends in the comments many times. When the British conquered India,it was not because there was anything wrong with Indian guns. It was because there was something terribly wrong with Indian organisations and the faith that is always needed to give such organisations cohesion.

The governors of California and Minnesota ordered their cops to arrest ICE. Nothing happened. Similarly, when Musk raided an ngo whose name slips my memory.

It is hard enough to get people to follow your orders even when they are perfectly normal and legitimate orders, and even when carrying out those normal and legitimate orders is perfectly safe.

Contaminated NEET says:

>They dominated them the same way they conquered them in the first place. I have discussed this with our Indian friends in the comments many times.

Sure, I don’t disagree with you on this, but I’m getting at something different. Yes, the EIC conquered the Indian princes and potentates because they couldn’t stop stabbing each other in the back and trying to ally with the foreigners against their nearby rivals. My point is that for Jayesh Sixpack, it didn’t really change much and wasn’t something visibly outrageous that he felt a need to fight against. He still reported to an Indian boss, who reported to an Indian boss, who paid taxes to an Indian bureaucrat, who reported to an Indian aristocrat of some kind. Somewhere up in the hierarchy, a few nodes were replaced by British men, but the fish down in the reef barely noticed the storm up on the surface. Supposedly, soon after independence, the Indian government did poll to see how many people were aware the British had gone, and they found that half the population was unaware the British had ever come.

Magi says:

So, how does that not lead you to the conclusion that regime change is easy and we’re not actually far from winning?

Take key positions, offer a marginally better deal, and most people flip to whoever is in power.

What’s the use in doomerism if you can see how straightforward the path to victory is?

Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

He is a mindrape victim who laid down and did not struggle, and if a little struggle saves us, then it reveals to him that a little struggle might have saved him. He has to rationalize that we are doomed because if we win, it shows how utterly pathetic his position has always been.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

So, how does that not lead you to the conclusion that regime change is easy and we’re not actually far from winning?

There is no sense in addressing him as a man with reason or agency. It may very well be useful or amusing to keep him around as a foil, as practice for the rest of us to avoid the traps of doomerism ourselves. But he is not a real doomer, because even real doomers have some bright spots in their lives, and are occasionally willing to acknowledge a small victory here or there.

Neet is only here to recite a demoralization script, complete with rehearsed catchphrase repeated at every opportunity. I prefer to acknowledge his presence only in the third person, as one would do with junk mail and TV ads from faceless corporations. Feel free to lay it out, make fun of it, rant about it, etc., just don’t expect a personalized response or even an intelligible one, because you aren’t speaking to a moral agent, you’re speaking to a recording, or a flowchart.

Contaminated NEET says:

>So, how does that not lead you to the conclusion that regime change is easy and we’re not actually far from winning?

It’s not easy, and we’re a million miles away from winning. If we did win, everyone would get in line and go along with us, and in a year or two, they wouldn’t remember ever even disagreeing with us, but we have to win first to achieve that. And we’re not winning. Those nodes high up in the hierarchy that issue the orders everyone just goes along with? Those are all occupied by our enemies, and they’re not stupid enough to give them up. The Trump presidencies proved that. You can elect whoever you want (for now), but it’s illegal and unconstitutional to even consider replacing Leftists in the bureaucracy, courts, media, etc. with our people. You can score as high as you like on the tests, build the most impressive resume ever seen, but the objective metrics of meritocracy prove that Shaniqua with the Black studies degree is the better candidate. Sorry. Git gud, scrub. The only answer is on the far shore of an ocean of blood, and we don’t have the stomach nor the leadership to get there.

Jim says:

> The only answer is on the far shore of an ocean of blood, and we don’t have the stomach nor the leadership to get there.

We don’t have the leadership, but it is you who does not have the stomach.

And it does not necessarily require an ocean of blood. Purge backed up by handful of executions might well suffice.

The Cominator says:

No it does require an ocean, Suharto vs Franco once again. If you make a pond and not an ocean leftism comes back. Anyone who voted Democrat 2020 or after has to go.

Jim says:

> No it does require an ocean.

Let us pray that it does not. But if lesser means are tried and fail, then I am up for an ocean of blood.

Magi says:

” You can elect whoever you want”

This is a monarchist board isn’t it? I certainly didn’t say anything about electing our way to victory.

“Those nodes high up in the hierarchy that issue the orders everyone just goes along with?”

People aren’t going along with any particular orders. If anything our social problem is that people are too liberal and it’s too hard to get people to line up under a proper hierarchy and get them to go along.

I mean, media, government, and unis just lie and say people are going along with them. But in reality people are not going along with them. In reality everyone that isn’t a senile 90 year old knows the media lies constantly the government isn’t worth trusting about anything and the profs in uni’s are people who couldn’t make it in any real job. I guess probably there are women that believe all this stuff, and possibly you believe all this stuff, but women don’t mater.

Listen, I’ll give you a case in point with the MRNA drugs for Covid. Even with the full weight of our enemies influence coming down on it they had to lie about real uptake, they were throwing out those perishable ‘vaccines’ by the droves. People did not come in the numbers they expected. Not even with their biggest carrots and their hardest sticks. Like most surveys they put out, they had to pretend more people were doing it than actually did it. And those who were cajoled into doing it very often came back with more hatred and mistrust for liberal democracy than they ever had before.

They played their strongest hand and it was lackluster. They don’t have the coordination or loyalty to wage a civil war, not on the level Franco put up with, not even a fraction of it. And their carrot incentives are getting more and more lackluster, even their shiny pony of uni degrees as a ticket to wealth and power is falling off hard.

The things you see on TV are not real. You think you’re being canny when you notice they lie in statistic and assume they’re bumping their support numbers 5 or 10 percent to make them look a little ahead. You’re not realizing that they’re fully willing to bump their support numbers 50 or 60 percent. You think you’re quick because you noticed some of their support base is fabricated. You don’t dare notice that the great majority of their support base is fabricated.

“but it’s illegal and unconstitutional”

I try not to be this blunt but that is a hilariously stupid statement. Why would we care about that? Why would anyone?

The only reason is they already have liberal-democracy in their heart as their core value system. It doesn’t take too many young men repenting of that to have enough force to topple the rather fragile system.

“Oceans of blood”

It does not. Our enemies are far more cowardly than even you. They could be removed bloodlessly just by presenting a plausible threat that their blood would be spilled.

That said, justice demands oceans of blood. I don’t like talking about oceans of blood as if it was a terrible thing that should never happen. Even if we did win more or less bloodlessly, policies and laws would have to be put in place to stop the next generation of our enemies coming about, be it castration or death.

God is patient, but his wrath is due. Our men should be praying for his wrath on the wicked, not talking as if the oceans of wrath coming was something that ought to be avoided at all costs. More and more that I know are waking up to that truth. It’s not an uncommon sentiment anymore.

Wulfgar/Scarebucks

I see what you mean. He sees the path to victory and replied with ‘BUT WINNING WOULDN’T BE LEGAL AND DEMOCRATIC SO THERE!’. Honestly it is a bit demoralizing, as if he is a white young man, which is plausible enough to me even if not true, he reminds me of the directionless and fatherless teens boys I see around who have no value system or centre.

Broken families are possibly the biggest reason we struggle to muster the strength to throw of the idiotic liberal-humanist system. Even moreso than mass propaganda campaigns, public education, mass media, and alphabet agencies looking over our shoulder. None of the institutions our enemies worked to capture matches a strong, intact family with a good patriarch in charge. A strong clan goes on no mater what nonsense is going on in the world.

Jim says:

> Planning like conquerors when we’re refugees will create a disaster for us.

Tell it to the Tutsi. Rwanda was reconquered by Tutsi refugees who had fled to Uganda before the genocide, and returned one hundred days into the genocide. This was Globohomo’s first failed genocide. They intended to eradicate the Tutsi for the same reason as they eradicated the red wolf.

Globohomo has been defeated before. They can be defeated again. What happened in Rwanda proves that white soldiers will not fight for an obviously evil Globohomo cause. (Of course, they were primarily French soldiers, who are not noted for fighting under any circumstances, but we have the inside info on the US army, and they will not fight for Globohomo either. Globohomo thinks it has an army. It does not. It has brass covered bureacrats and overweight logistics workers.)

The well organised refugees struck against an undisciplined black mob, and also against a white army with overwhelming superiority on paper. The army retreated, then fled, abandoning the mob, leaving the mob high and dry. As their white handlers fled, the mob collapsed like a sock puppet when the hand comes out.

You can, in fact, just do things. The swamp is made of mud, not steel.

Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

The reason they would not fight by your side is because you are a pathetic and loathsome coward. You have no vitality, no virility, only despair. They would fight for me. “It should have been 6 million because they poisoned the wells, the food, our women, and our blood.” That’s what they say to me, in public, out loud. If they are not calling you to gas the jews, race war now, all fucking niggers must hang, then that is because they do not trust you.

And they are right do withhold their confidence in you, because you are a loser: so integral to your identity is losing that any success or victory would destroy you. You are a beaten dog, an abused child, a rape victim. At least have the dignity not to squeal so loudly in Jim’s Blog while you are being bent over and mindfucked.

Pax Imperialis says:

>If they are not calling you to gas the jews, race war now, all fucking niggers must hang, then that is because they do not trust you.

Those of continental European descent, strong yes from my observations, but the Anglo-Americans in my social circle tend to be a lot more shy if not visibly embarrassed to voice such views among good company.

On the subject of Blacks, I visited family in the South. Saw a lot of poor black people but not a lot of ‘oh shit that menacing tatted up nigger with dreadlocks is following me’. My family was bemused by me being afraid of the “cotton babies”. Their actual term for them, and in fact Southern Blacks did seem most well behaved if not childlike… they’re just infuriatingly, shockingly lazy. Frustrating, but the typical Southern White isn’t going to be on board with more radical means of dealing with Blacks. They’re too paternalistic authoritarian by nature. It’s the Northern Whites who are most likely to harbor deeply suppressed rage and utopian views on total Bantu death.

I’m really surprised the plantation economics worked even with whips because the amount of work put into making them work must have made margins tighter than you’d normally expect from “free labor”. The founding Americans really fucked up. Should’ve stuck with indentured servitude and Slavs.

Contaminated NEET says:

I find that contemptuous paternalism even more disgusting than the proggies’ outright negrolatry. Here in the North, I see that attitude in the boomer small business owners toward their illegal Hispanic employees.
>Oh, they’re so hardworking and humble – they call me, “patrón!” They’re not like those lazy, ungrateful young White men, who don’t know what an honest day’s work is.
The reality I’ve seen is that the Whites do better and more work, but they’re less willing to kiss the boss’s ass. These idiot boomers are dazzled by the flattery and can’t see that they’re being played by people who wouldn’t piss on them if they were on fire. It makes me puke. Day of the Pillow now.

someDude says:

This, I too have seen during my time in the States. It’s the Northern whites and whites from blue states who harbor the most animosity for Blacks. The Southern whites, not so much.

Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

I’m a Yankee, and I did not spare much thought for blacks until I had to start dealing with them. I do believe we have a problem, but I am also very willing to accept that there are decent black people that want to live decent lives. I am also willing to accept that they should be treated differently and live apart from us, whether that be in their own racial enclaves or returned to their home continent.

Fidelis says:

It’s the Northern Whites who are most likely to harbor deeply suppressed rage and utopian views on total Bantu death.

This is not new. The free staters were split into the radical abolishionist desegregationalist kill whitey woke leftist radical camp, and the “lets not have a society of niggers instead of white yeomen” camp. We romanticize the south, because they were the enemies of our enemies and had a charismatic honor and warrior culture, but if they had won their separation the South would have just been Brazil even earlier. Plantation latifundia economies are just historical garbage states, a persistent failure mode.

Should’ve stuck with indentured servitude and Slavs

They tried. The world is vastly different today, back then swampy malaria and parasite loads killed servants faster than they could import them.

The reality I’ve seen is that the Whites do better and more work, but they’re less willing to kiss the boss’s ass. These idiot boomers are dazzled by the flattery and can’t see that they’re being played by people who wouldn’t piss on them if they were on fire.

We’re basically post scarcity in material goods people care about on an animal level, besides perhaps housing but thats an artificial problem, so we just jockey over status goods. The boomer doesn’t care about the work, he likes to be high status. He also doesn’t care if his servant doesn’t actually like him, in fact thats a bonus, it raises his status even higher. War is a necessary constraint for organized society to not fall into traps like this.

alf says:

Plantation latifundia economies are just historical garbage states, a persistent failure mode

During the civil war, the confederacy withheld export of cotton to France and England because they believed cotton was so immensely important that it would force the Europeans to join the civil war.

What instead happened is that France and England got their cotton elsewhere, the south got stuck with mountains of cotton and the north out-industrialized the south 10 to 1. The confederacy wholly deserved to lose.

The Cominator says:

Minorities in the south are better behaved so people generally don’t endorse things like total nigger death etc. They all have minorities they personally like.

Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

I have minorities that I like, and I would absolutely make exceptions for, as do most of the young guys saying this stuff. Still, they have no respect for the post-WWII order, and gleefully and openly violate its taboos. That is what the violation of the holocaust taboo is doing; attacking the legitimacy of the diversity regime.

Cloudswrest says:

Minorities in the south are better behaved so people generally don’t endorse things like total nigger death etc. They all have minorities they personally like.

I noticed this years ago when I was sent on a business trip to Huntsville. I mentioned to a local colleague, “Most of the Black people here are polite and friendly!” She mentioned a lot of visitors say that.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

This is a two-way street. There’s definitely a hereditary element, i.e. descendants of actual southern slaves being naturally far more docile than the freedmen and black immigrants in Yankee land. But it is also because the southern and Appalachian states have a long history of not putting up with any nigger bullshit, and the would-be niggers can still feel it in their bones. These were states where the KKK was actually a real force, and periodically purged the worst offenders.

So, yeah, “our blacks are different”, but largely because we force them to be. Putting aside the inevitable White Man’s Burden debate, I think it’s generally understood, or beginning to be understood, that the negro is a totally manageable problem in isolation. It is made unmanageable through generations of neglect and equalitarian progressive ideology, catalyzed by welfare and other gibs into a turbo-cancer. And even the docile ones are still, on average, lazy as fuck and not particularly bright, and those who say otherwise are either selling you something or want to kill you.

I’m firmly against TND but we still need to see them for whom they are.

Cloudswrest says:

And even the docile ones are still, on average, lazy as fuck

Another Southern anecdote. Worked as a college intern one summer in Houston decades ago. Rented a room from a homeowner. Went with landlord to go get his car battery replaced. Car shop employee replacing the batter was a Black man as slow as molasses. Quipped to landlord, “Looks like the worker needs a new battery also.”

Magi says:

I have quite a few minority friends, they’re decent enough folk. I’m willing to not make an exception for them. For reference I’m a westerner, prairie Canadian and American southwest, and the American branch of my family has a good bit of Kentucky stock, so southern but union. Kinda in the middle.

That said I prefer the outcome of moving them to separate and strictly boarders-enforced ethno states with strict laws against intermarriage. Then let them live or die on their own ability to build a society. Lincolns plan amped up to mandatory separation.

But if a friend winds up fighting on the other side, that’s war isn’t it? I’m not some liberal comic book fag. The other side doesn’t have to be ‘evil’ to kill them, they just have to be in the way.

I respect fighting for blood and empire more than fighting for ‘peace and democracy’, and when you fight for blood and empire you know the other side is also fighting for blood and empire. You can have a Christmas peace with them. You can end the war and then go back to being friends. We have history full of that. It’s only since liberalism that the current and last enemy has to be ‘the greatest evil ever’.

I believe we need young men who understand that you don’t have to demonize and hate the other side to wage war against them. Our ancestors understood that. Liberal peacenick ideology that rejects that is poison.

Neurotoxin says:

“Somalis…”

God! Shut up! You’re so fucking boring!

Contaminated NEET says:

I’m so bored that hostile foreigners prey on us and plunder us while our society raises them up as aristocrats over us. Yawn. Can’t we talk about something interesting?

someDude says:

Before you worry about your own, you must show the ability to take care of yourself. Black-pilling does not indicate such ability. As Jim says, be irrationally optimistic and even if your own does not pick up the slack or respond to your calls, at least you have lived well and not sinned. What more can an individual do? What more is to be expected of an individual?

Anon says:

I like Neet doomerism, it a balance to optimism.
And because he is for the most part right.

Jim says:

If too many people think like him, he will always be right.

Irrational optimism beats rational pessimism. Hope is a virtue, despair is a sin.

We have considerable reason for hope. If Trump is less than I hoped, he is still a lot more than anyone dared hope for before he came down the escalator. And, we have Musk and Vance. Who does the enemy have?

Barron Trump is an unknown. His policy of silence tells us that if he was to speak his mind, it would cause trouble, which hints at interesting possibilities. He has friends among us. It is a rather small number of degrees of separation.

Anon says:

but someone with Irrational optimism will try to do something or build organisation and swiftly get crushed.
how to guard against that ?

Jim says:

Rational paranoia. From the beginning I said that Unite the Right was penetrated by enemy shills. You can prudently notice risks, address them, and still be optimistic that the project is going to succeed.

Karlon says:

Dyson’s never work because there’s never enough collective material to do it with, at least not here.
Earth Mars Asteroid belt… that’s all you’ve got to work with, too thin to create rigid structures, and it’s mostly made of non-collective dead stuff… not conductives or solars… best you might get is a high-voltage charge insulator/capacitor, with nothing to downsink it to.
You need Advanced Physics.
And 1000 times better AI to sift paths from all knowledge.

Jim says:

I was assuming we dismantle all the planets, starting with the Earth’s moon, proceeding to Mercury, and working up from there.

Dismantling Jupiter would be the hardest, but its doable. Musk in his presentation proposed to get started on dismantling the moon, which has twenty times us much mass as the entire asteroid belt. His plan is to build bullet train on the moon that reaches moon orbital velocity, so that its cargo lifts off.

Magi says:

We need something that does for fusion what the Bessemer process did for steel, then it’s just raw mater and energy we’re concerned about, no need to specifically hunt for conductors.

I’ve long been a skeptic of cold fusion as a source of energy, perhaps at a higher tech level it’s possible but it doesn’t seem to be at ours. However I think using it as a means to transform materials may be nearer in the future. If we can reliably mine mars we can probably reliably make a chain reaction to alchemize a bunch of X not so useful material into Y useful material.

f6187 says:

I was assuming we dismantle all the planets, starting with the Earth’s moon, proceeding to Mercury, and working up from there.

Dismantling Jupiter …

All of that would likely have staggeringly stupid unintended consequences, probably destroying Earth itself in many possible ways.

Jim says:

> probably destroying Earth itself

We will have dismantled the Earth itself long before we make a good start on dismantling Jupiter. And probably all the moons and planets except Jupiter. It is the difficult one.

Neurotoxin says:

“I was assuming we dismantle all the planets, starting with the Earth’s moon…”

Let’s not start with the moon; we don’t know what the effects of eliminating the tides would be.

Jim says:

> we don’t know what the effects of eliminating the tides would be.

We know exactly what the effect of eliminating the tides would be.

And in any case, eliminating the moon does not eliminate the tides. We will still have solar tides, which are not very noticeably different from lunar tides.

If you are in or near an ecosystem that is tide dependent, you can tell by the sandflies and mosquitoes devouring you.

If you are in an ecosystem that is tide dependent, you can tell by the sticky mud.

If you are in an ecosystem that is not tide dependent, you can tell by the fact that it is indistinguishable from ecosystems that are on the coast but incapable of supporting any significant amounts of tidal life.

Turtles need beaches but large coastlines with no significant tides still have beaches and sandbanks, just much smaller ones caused by the action of wind, waves, and currents.

But, in any case, there are still going to be tides, and to you, and probably the turtles, the difference will not be very noticeable.

Musk proposes to provide raw materials for our expansion into space by launching lunar materials, because this can be done without consuming hydrogen, for the oceans are the only substantial source inside the asteroid belt, and only Ceres holds more water. So, the moon is probably going to be the first to go — but it will still be here until we have built many, many space habitats each much larger than the earth.

Moon, the other moons, and the asteroid belt probably goes first. Among the terrestrial planets, earth last, then Uranus, Neptune and Saturn. Maybe we save earth for sentimental reasons until after Saturn. Jupiter is the tough one, but it is doable with straightforward tech, applied on a stupendously gigantic scale. And then we hit the solar limit, but we will be in the stars long before we hit the solar limit, if we avoid destroying ourselves first.

Jimmy says:

The moon makes human women ovulate. The potential for unintended consequences is more vast than we can imagine. This kind of talk is madness. It is not visionary. It is not dominion mandate. It is tower of Babel.

I’m not blackpilling. Living a decent, quiet life under the (not dismantled) moon is the biggest win I can imagine for man.

Magi says:

A decent quiet life is a happy one. That’s a fine aspiration.

But colonizing stars is divergence, while Babel is convergence.

The other great sin of Babel was imagining that if we colonized the stars we would be God’s equal. We will never colonize the stars with that attitude, but I believe we can with humility.

And hope for Heaven is a cardinal virtue. This blog post and thread is a form of that, I think it should be encouraged.

The Cominator says:

I think if you get to the level of technology where you can dismantle stellar bodies to build megastructures you should avoid the moon and ideally if you can avoid the solar system except asteroids.

You dont dismantle earths solar system to build a Dyson sphere (and maybe a ringworld but that would likely require many systems) you dismantle others…

Jim says:

> You don’t dismantle earths solar system to build a Dyson sphere (and maybe a ringworld but that would likely require many systems) you dismantle others…

Such technology would require new physics, and while it is likely we will discover new physics, it is unlikely that the new physics will be magically convenient. We are unlikely to ever be able to bring in enormous amounts of matter from other star systems to the solar system in at speed. We would have to move it in at something like thirty kilometers a second, which would take many millennia and require us to first build an enormous industrial civilization in the source system.

Dismantling airless planets is comparatively easy, but requires an enormous civilization with enormous resources — Musk casually gestured at a plan to dismantle Earth’s moon. Dismantling a planet with an atmosphere is likely to require spinning up a planet, and pumping away the air and water. Which takes a long time and an even more enormous civilization with more enormous resources. It does not seem very likely that we will ever be able to dismantle stars.

Jim says:

No, the moon does not make human women ovulate — obviously urbanites are seldom aware of the moon, but they continue to ovulate on schedule.

Neurotoxin says:

“We know exactly what the effect of eliminating the tides would be.”

What?! I’m skeptical, dawg. 😂

Jim says:

We know because most shorelines do not have enough tidal life to have much effect on the neighboring ecosystems, and shorelines exist with no significant tides.

And, in any case, disassembling the moon does not eliminate solar tides.

f6187 says:

Jim:

We will have dismantled the Earth itself long before we make a good start on dismantling Jupiter. And probably all the moons and planets except Jupiter. It is the difficult one.

Dismantling the moon could destabilize Earth orbit. Dismantling Jupiter could make Earth vulnerable to impact from comets and asteroids.

Mining the asteroids sounds safe and profitable though.

Jim says:

Dismantling the moon will destabilize the earth. The instability is well known. However the instability takes hundreds of millions of years to take effect, and a civilization that can dismantle the moon will probably have dismantled the earth by then. Or artificially stabilized it. If it has that sized capability, it also has the capability to modify the orientation of the earth’s axis.

Anon says:

I heard interesting analogy about vibe coding vs compilers.
such as people in the 50,60,70s where writing assembly and compilers came and increased abstraction, people at first didn’t trust it and read the assembly output but soon it became good that you do not need to.
can AI become good the checking the code will become unnecessary and it just prompt engineering.?

Daddy Scarebucks says:

This is a category error, a straw-man argument coming from that part of the AI hype crowd that has drunk gallons and gallons of the Kool-Aid.

High level compilers have formal rules and predictable outputs. They can be mathematically verified, do not need to be empirically verified, and there is no stochastic process involved, Of course everything should still be empirically verified, because human error can creep in, but contrary to this latest myth, there was very little resistance to the emergence of HLLs at the time, and to the extent people “didn’t trust them”, it was more about their efficiency than their correctness, because hardware limitations were very harsh at the time.

We’ve been through many of these cycles, with HLLs, with functional languages, with SQL, with FPGAs and HDLs and Verilog type stuff, with shader languages and shader pipelines, and so on. There are always legitimate concerns about their reliability and performance. However, there is always a clear answer to the question of “why did it do that?” which is “because that’s what it was programmed to do”, whether intentionally or due to a discoverable bug.

With LLMs, the answer to “why did it do that?” is a vague and nebulous reference to model weights, or a more layman-friendly “because it’s similar to something in the training data”. The only way to “fix” a “bug” in the output of an LLM is re-training or post-training. Nothing is mathematically verifiable, and even empirical verification may pass the first time but fail the next 10 times–or more insidiously, may pass the first 10 times but then mysteriously fail on the 11th–and no one can really explain why or promise that it won’t happen again.

It is just not the same thing. LLMs are not formal language definitions in which the prompt represents the “code”. They are natural language parsers which try to identify and reconstruct patterns. Vibe coding is fine for what it is, mainly prototypes and internal tooling, but vibe coding as a replacement for human invention is a fantasy, and vibe coding as a successor to high level languages is a fantasy.

Agentic AI in a TDD project is somewhat less of a fantasy because in TDD the specifications are already strictly segregated from the implementation. That is why Claude can, sort of, write a Linux kernel given a battery of 40,000 preexisting executable test cases. In that regard you can certainly argue that LLM agents are a significant productivity boost, though it is hard to point to any specific thing and call it a replacement for that thing. It is just a new tool being introduced into an existing process, like much older templating/code-generation systems or even the test runners themselves.

Prompt engineering isn’t engineering. The niches of LLMs at the moment are: producing code to pass a battery of tests (often requiring hundreds or thousands of retries, hence agents), producing code to fail some test (e.g. security verification, the topic of this post, and also requiring many iterations), or producing “suggestions” for human engineers to accept or reject in their dev environment, typically with about a 50% success rate for trivial implementations and a 5-15% success rate for anything more complex. These are the areas that are seeing serious gains, and serious investment. The rest–the “vibe coding” and “prompt engineering”–these are just irritating marketing hype.

Jim says:

> The rest–the “vibe coding” and “prompt engineering”–these are just irritating marketing hype.

You can vibe code a small utility program, and vibe pipelining them together. Of course subdividing a problem into small utility programs is an engineering skill, but does not require actually knowing much about the language, and the result tends to be unnecessarily complex, with random fragments of code it saw in its training data which are irrelevant to your use case.

You can also vibe code a large complex program that is a small variation of lots of similar programs in its training data. But you will rapidly get into territory where you have to lay out a high level description of the program, which is an engineering skill.

And in production, you are going to rapidly run into problems where you have to read, understand, and revise the code. But actual coding and ability to use languages has become a less important engineering skill.

Jim says:

It looks like dust, or just an enormous number of tiny comets. An incomplete Dyson ribbon would be lumpier, just as human cities are lumpy. On the other hand, it is rather lumpy. But there is no compelling technosignature, no obvious unnatural anomalies.

Well, all the lumps are on one side of the orbit, while natural particles would rapidly spread out uniformly. But this could be explained by the ring being temporary, only recently formed, and will soon disappear.

The motes do not look like motes. They are mighty big. It is far grainier than a dust cloud should be. Which is odd, but not compelling.

The current explanation is a recent massive planetesimal collision. Which does not explain the distribution of inside motes, but it mostly fits.

Each “mote” is clearly enormous, so you have to propose that if natural, they are not solid bodies but dust clouds, comas emitted by rapidly evaporating planetesimals. Which explanation runs into difficulties, but not perhaps insuperable difficulties. It just gets complicated and has too many moving parts and unobservable gremlins.

The observation is a poor fit to the natural explanation, and a horde of chandelier space habitats provides a better fit, but it is not an impossibly bad fit to the observed data. If there was a space dwelling civilization twenty five light years from earth, you would think they would have sent a probe by now. On the other hand it might be a skynet ribbon civilization that has been stagnant for geological ages, uninterested in the external world, and hostile to it. Any civilization still around would be geologically old, because it is too big a coincidence for two different sentients to arise on different planets in the same geological era, and by this time would have either eaten the galaxy or gone skynet.

FrankNorman says:

and by this time would have either eaten the galaxy or gone skynet.

Or something else entirely. They could have all died.

Jim says:

If the motes are chandelier space habitats rather than rapidly evaporating natural comets they are very old, the ring could not have its highly concentrated distribution for very long unless artificially maintained and actively stabilized. So, if artificial, someone is at home.

Anonymous Fake says:

Colonizing Antarctica is more interesting. Or even more proximate would be making Alaska into Whitekanda. White Zion also goes unbelievably hard. It might even result in new religious revelations, the most true form of progress there is.

I suspect “outer space” is just a polite way for the right to talk about transhumanism without attracting the wrong crowd. Nothing will come of any of it. It’s a filter leading to a dead end.

Jim says:

We were settling Antarctica, and it is now illegal under international law. White Zion and Whitekanda would get the same treatment.-

Ayylo says:

Straight Musk is building Freedom Rockets and AI Terafab to get us white types off the Earth.
Faggot Altman is building Servile Worldcoin and AI ID-Scoring to fuck us all over.
There is a difference.
Protect Musk at all costs.

https://www.zerohedge.com/ai/how-musk-victory-vs-altman-would-reset-americas-ai-roadmap

Milosevic says:

OT but it’s becoming a bit more pressing these days:

What is the state of privacy coins?

Jim says:

Litecoin ltcmweb1 addresses are secure. Monero is secure. There are a number of loopholes in Monero’s privacy mechanism, and doubtless our enemies are exploiting them, but I would not call it broken. Tracing a Monero transaction can be done under favorable circumstances, but it is still an uphill task.

Litecoin is also easier to spend than Monero.

Your anonymity set in spending a monero input is eight. Your anonymity set in spending a Litecoin ltcmweb1 coin is the number of Litecoin inputs in that block, and similarly for receiving payment. A lot of businesses do not want to pay or accept Litecoin ltcmweb1, but that is no problem. You can trivially convert your own coins between Litecoin address types, You just spend it to yourself and the traceable coin is anonymized, having gained the anonymity set of the untraceable coin.

Privacy coins are a solved problem, lots of very good privacy coins out there, but the most usable one is litecoin, though it does have the problem that you tend to receive traceable litecoins, which you have to convert, and then sometimes convert back again. Next up, which I am working on, is private metadata around transactions.

Fab5 says:

Zcash doesn’t depend on this stupid “number of inputs” “rounds” “number of parties” “receiving traceables worry” nonsense, once you shove them through the ZK shield, that’s it.
ZK privacy is better than XMR LTC BCH BTC.
And you can still shove your ZK coins through 1) a DEX, and 2) deploy a coinjoin/whirlpool/fusion/shuffle plugin for ZK coins… and use those two options as many times as you want on top… defense in DEPTH… but you cannot get the ZK type of privacy without a ZK coin.
The only reason XMR ever got anywhere is because its tech was early cheap easy and light, and it had a hundred thousand drug addled retard Maxi army parroting the kool-aid narrative that none of them understood, and they most certainly do not grok ZK either.
Even XMR groups are now making rumblings about moving to ZK.

Well designed formally verified ZK systems will be providing some very interesting capabilities.
Keep up with the ZK space, it’s the future, IMO.

Jim says:

Yes, ZK is the superior privacy coin.. But it is harder to buy, and impossible to spend.

I would like to see colored coins and colored stablecoins on ZK, first and foremost a colored coin locked to Bitcoin over the Grail Bridge, wrapped Bitcoin on the ZK chain. Then ZK could go places. It is not going anywhere until it connects to Bitcoin over the Grail Bridge.

Milosevic says:

By ZK do you mean Zcash or any ZK coin?

Jim says:

ZCash is the leading ZK coin, so I slid between concepts.

Milosevic says:

Ok.

I remember a few years ago you were fairly negative toward Zcash. Has the tech matured to a level that you’re happy with now?

Jim says:

I am impressed by Zcash now. Initial release was premature.

As I said a long time back, they had big ideas but fell far short. Now, getting a whole lot closer to what they originally envisaged.

But they are not going anywhere until they have wrapped Bitcoin over the grail bridge and stablecoins on the Zcash chain, and have better means for transaction metadata.

Oog en Hand says:

Nigeria is a religiously divided country, 50-56% Muslim and 43-49% Christian (by various estimates). The Christian share of Nigeria’s population has grown from 35% in the early 1960s, peaked in the mid 2010s, but is currently in decline, due to a lower fertility rate relative to the Muslim population in the country.

https://sigmaframe.wordpress.com/2026/05/04/out-of-nigeria-part-1-life-in-nigeria/

Lower fertility rate…

Jim says:

Nigerian Christian fertility is still mighty high compared to most of the world — which I conjecture has something to do with the fact that Nigerian Christianity is old type Anglicanism, which Globohomo, the urban monoculture, and the English Anglican Church find much more scary, outrageous, and alarming than Islam.

Oog en Hand says:

My point was that long-term demographic dominance requires polygyny. Otherwise, excess single females.

Jim says:

Why excess single females? The number of males born equals the number of females born.

Perhaps you are concerned that a healthy society would deny criminals and layabouts access to women, and we have to mop up the surplus. We can worry about that once we have successfully denied criminals and layabouts access to women.

Historically Muslims have reproduced less successfully, because too few men had the opportunity invest in children. If they are reproducing more successfully now, it is because Globohomo is more intolerant of Old Type Christianity than it is of Old Type Islam.

Oog en Hand says:

Because men tend to be older than women at the age of marriage. That is, older men marrying younger women.

Jim says:

Wealthy men will always have mistresses and concubines — which, because of hypergamy, tends to result in a chronic shortage, rather than excess.

Oog en Hand says:

“Wealthy men will always have mistresses and concubines — which, because of hypergamy, tends to result in a chronic shortage, rather than excess”

Which is de facto polygyny.

Karlon says:

I think USA states are doing this Globo-Theft shit too, Pols are drunk on it, your wealth needs to be portable sovereign fungible private hideable unconfiscatable transactable.

https://x.com/bramk/status/2052095072640876841

Tejano Bob says:

riiight. Just memorize that set of 500 digit prime numbers and never let anyone look over your virtual shoulder while you type them out.

This is why sailors and criminals get tattoos; it’s the only thing that can’t be lost at sea or stolen by hookers.

Truly the best is to open your hands and trust in the Lord to provide.

I’m not saying, “don’t stack”; just don’t ever expect that your stacks can’t vanish in an instant.

Jim says:

> Just memorize that set of 500 digit prime numbers

At present, all you have to carry in your head is not a bunch of very long numbers, but twelve random words.

I have (in my test wallets) reduced the burden of that by making it two random nonsense sentences.

Thus for example

Proud sights abated black ranches around yards.
Svelte myths shod greeting Cheyenne up to stones.

This is fourteen words instead of twelve, but forming it into grammatically correct sentences makes it easier to memorize.

The two sentences are generated in such a way as to represent the same amount of entropy as a twelve word secret. (132 random bits)

Represents all the (completely worthless) secrets controlled by one of my numerous test wallets. Which can no only control the secrets of my wallet, but also (code not actually working yet, but bits of it are working) generate all secrets for all my conventional wallets in all my crypto currencies.

So come the day when you have to catch the last plane out of America in your underwear without your luggage, you can carry with you in your head everything that matters.

Ayylo says:

– Social Multisig w Global Internet Friends
– Pattern of words from pages in a boring book that is buyable/library worldwide
– Microseed stamper on nylon shoved up your ass
– RFID under your skin
– Geocache multisig

For when ur brain is offline

Humungus says:

Interesting… Humungus believes it important to stay grounded. The Earth will be absorbed by our own Sun in a few billion years as the Sun’s life cycle terminates. At present, there is no way to transport a human to another Earth-like planet even if one existed.

As stated on here, “we are killer apes”. And we the killer apes are trapped here in our gilded cage, made for us here by Almighty God. You are home.

Ayylo says:

> Earth will be absorbed by our own Sun in a few billion years

Some say 500M until Solar expanse heat up too much.

> trapped

Certainly trying to launch some advanced Ape DNA towards stars before then.

But unsure if our Rocket Men will be subdued by the Lesser Apes and destructive Leftism before then. Fighting for and defending the Rocket Men can also earn a ticket to ride.
Humungus battle for survival of Rocket tech may be necessary.

When your Suicidally Empathetic and Leftist-APE Filled Govts Import Jihadi wombs into your lands to “Fill-breed and Subdue” you… Australia may have problems getting to launch, EU is already dysfunctional.
https://x.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/2052369163423752477

Suspect that Christian Ecuador / LatAM may be the launch point, better equatorial mass to orbit there too.

When you launch for the Stars, remember
1) Take no enemies and no enemy-ideologies with you, success requires compatibility, similarity, and cohesive common endeavour
2) Disable the former Civ left behind so they can’t catch up with you
3) All Women on board must be married to Men on board before leaving.

Cloudswrest says:

Regarding the sun’s lifetime, I remember reading about “managing” the sun, and extending it’s lifetime by extracting hydrogen from it. This would both expand Earth’s orbit, reduce the sun’s output, and greatly expand it’s lifetime. Targeted to keep total solar irradiance of Earth constant. Simply causing the sun to expel hydrogen at escape velocity shouldn’t be too hard for a Kardashev ~2 civilization.

Jim says:

> about “managing” the sun, and extending it’s lifetime by extracting hydrogen from it. This would both expand Earth’s orbit, reduce the sun’s output, and greatly expand it’s lifetime. Targeted to keep total solar irradiance of Earth constant.

In five hundred million years, quite a lot can be done by a civilization with the industrial capability to dismantle the moon, if they want to keep the earth around for sentimental reasons.

Starlifting from the Sun would give us access to unlimited raw materials, but it is a similar problem to dismantling Jupiter, only one thousand times harder, so I left it out of my list of technologies that we can reasonably expect a sufficiently a sufficiently large industrial civilization to accomplish

Ayylo says:
Ayylo says:

Pastors… whatever this is, Pastors being involved is a massive escalation of deception/truth, something is going on… just saying.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/pastor-us-intel-warned-christian-leaders-trumps-alien-files-release-could-shatter-beliefs

dharmicreality says:

Jim, I would like to add my voice to the growing list of regulars here who find this link spam more and more annoying. This link spam is the reason I stopped reading the comments section on this blog.

Jim, please consider that these links with minimal/zero effort commentary are deleted henceforth. Otherwise, this comments section will become pointless.

I don’t care even if the link is something extraordinarily wise/in-depth/on-topic or meaningful, unless the commenter has something of real value to contribute.

dharmicreality says:

Adding that, real censorship is the drowning out of signal with noise, which is being done in a variety of ways to suppress real and genuine debate, and moderation to cut out the noise is actually anti-censorship. In that sense, strict moderation will enhance free speech while lack of moderation will drown out free speech.

In any case, there is no real freedom of speech as Jim often says. The rules and exceptions are applicable everywhere and there are no hard and fast rules to apply in every case. So the legalists can take a hike. Jim’s blog, Jim’s rules subject to Jim’s extraordinary discretionary powers to override and change his own rules when applicable.

“Freedom of speech” is used by leftists to drown out and suppress all dissent to their narratives and faith. Shills have been using this tactic frequently on this blog and I feel that the moderation should become appropriately stricter and more vigilant.

Karl says:

I agree with Dharmicreality. This blog is not about news of the day and links are only relevant to a discussion in exceptional cases.

Ayylo says:

[*Deleted because the convergence of Christianity and the increasingly forcible and violent suppression of Old Type Christianity has been discussed at length on this blog*]

Jim says:

You need to do some catch up reading before you talk about this stuff. You are way behind the rest of the class. Lecturing us on it as if it was big news is presumptuous and condescending.

You persistently address us as if we were a bunch of unaware normies who have no idea what is happening, and need to be notified.

Neurotoxin says:

Agreeing with Dharmic and Karl. You don’t need any rules other than “This is my blog and if I don’t like it for any reason or no reason, away it goes.” The link spam is an attempt to use the heckler’s veto to drown out the actual conversation.

Ayylo says:

No interpretation can ever “contribute” more than is in the source itself. All interpretation/summary is propaganda. Contributions without sources are unbacked. If someone requires someone else to tell them what to think, then it is their own enfeebled intelligience that must be questioned. History shows inconvenient content has often carried more truth than those who killed its messengers… defenders of Copernicus got laughed out by followers of Galileo, Kings had no Cloths, and Popes wore False Robes.

Dharmic, how does the content in the links below conflict with your Hindu Faith?

https://x.com/uapdr
https://x.com/spookyufo

> blog

Blogs are not architected for the “debate” you claim to desire.
Your ask is in reality for a better tool, you want your own filters so that you don’t have to see things that are inconvenient for your worldview, you want to censor your own eyes.
Move the “blog” to a “forum” or “list” that offers such filters.
Or you want total one-way blog with no comments, so that you never risk ever seeing one inconvenient word from anyone but your chosen Priest.

> “Fill the Stars and Subdue them”

What more “on-topic” than what may or may not be out there to subdue, or that may prevent you from filling it.

Curiously no one is blocking that “debate” you asked for but you, Copernicus.

At least I told you that having the Ferality of unmarried Women on your Rockets would destroy them, same as having the Diversity, and Lesser Chimps, and incompatible Faiths on board.

Jim says:

None of your link spam has led to any discussion other than suggestions that I should end it.

None of your news of the day link spam seems particularly relevant to the issues of this blog, so I change the rules. Link spam that no one cares about is hereby deemed to fall under the long boring walls of text rule, even if it is not that long. If someone wants to read X, he has a bunch of people he follows, and they can link to stuff if they like, though they seldom do. There is also the “for you” page, where the algorithm serves up what it thinks you might be interested in. Does not do a very good job of it, but X’s algorithm does a better job than you do.

So, cut it out, or you will be put on moderation, and link spam will just not get through.

Ayylo says:

> None of your link spam has led to any discussion

Neither has anyone elses, hardly least by example the six mostly off-topic links from others in this topic post alone.

> improbable presuppositions

What is Dharmic’s objection to the linked content.
It is therefore wholly not improbable that it conflicts with his religion, or some other inconvenience, such that he is completely unable to utter any of his own asked for “debate” on it.

> that he has actually followed any of your links, which seems unlikely.

Now you are presupposing against his own link reading.
Which he had to have done, else would have just ignored like 80% of links on here by all are ignored “debate/comment wise”, instead of going completely triggered on the content.
And by same logic would have gone apeshit triggered over the six other peoples “omg links urls on blogs”, on every other page over decade of this blog, but did not.

>> “Fill the Stars and Subdue them”
> What more “on-topic” than what may or may not be out there to subdue, or that may prevent you from filling it?

Such limitated Interstellar topics.
Such unable to see the very “contributions” asked for.
Such demand for parrots not free thought.
Such need to be spoonfed every summary but,
Such that post’s “too long”, that post’s “too short”.
Stop making sense, idgaf, got mine don’t have to be anywhere.

Here’s a link that tells you what they want to do to the Right capable of Free Thought, can you believe that shit, do you need it summarized and explained to you, or just ZOMG LINK?
https://off-guardian.org/2026/04/30/the-eu-is-pushing-driver-monitoring-cameras-heres-why/

ZH, the Right AustrianCap types who got CENSORED and DEBANKED for real COVID journalism… oh noes, can’t post that fact because ZOMG LINKS
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/farages-reform-uk-storms-historic-gains-2026-local-elections-labour-suffers

But how many seats did the Real Right in the UK win?
Crickets.

> boring

Twisting every post into being about Women, that’s what’s fucking boring mate.
“News” flash: It’s not Women, they’re dumb… it’s SATAN that did and does it, and men who keep letting it happen.
But that’s too inconvenient.

Jim says:

> What is Dharmic’s objection to the linked content.

He plainly and clearly stated his objection: That it is boring him, and everyone. I am sure that just as we anglo-saxons on this blog are already familiar with the UK stuff you just linked to, he is already familiar with Indian stuff. Your links are mostly trivia, and the stuff that links to significant people and events are telling us what we already know.

Dharmicreality says:

Exactly, I am not offended, but bored when the top latest comments are a bunch of links with stuff that everybody here is well aware of, content is repetitive and only normie conservative types would keep outraging about on a daily basis.

Jim says:

> Dharmic, how does the content in the links below conflict with your Hindu Faith

You are sneaking in the presupposition that he is offended on religious grounds, and that he has actually followed any of your links, which seems unlikely. Sneaking in improbable presuppositions as if your interlocutor had already accepted them is an illegitimate form of argument, which is not permitted on this blog.

Nobody reads your links and nobody cares. I clicked on a few of them out of sense of duty, and quickly gave up. I don’t care. It is unlikely that Dharmic cares.

Jim says:

> Blogs are not architected for the “debate” you claim to desire.

This blog, however, is architected for debate.

If you are not interested in debate, go away.

Your link spam links to a long, long, long, list of outrages. We know that stuff is happening all the time. We care about the fact that it is happening all the time. We totally do not care about any one outrage in the heap. It is like listing war casualties. You stop caring about individual deaths, even though each one is a tragedy, and just want an estimate of overall casualty level.

Ayylo says:

Casualty level on the Right by the Left is extremely high.
The Right has won many wars in History over far less than that.
Somehow the Right seems to have become too “Caring” and Suicidally Empathetic for the war it needs to fight.

So you end up with more of

https://x.com/UKDecline

But at least these guys are out fighting in public

https://x.com/RupertLowe10
https://restorebritain.org.uk/
https://x.com/TRobinsonNewEra

And hopefully winning because of it.

Jim says:

We know the Uk is in decline. We know about these guys. We follow them. We don’t need your link spam.

You are now on moderation for being boring, and for continuing to link spam after being asked to stop.

Fidelis says:

Makes more sense to figure out how to efficiently dismantle the deserts and the ocean and the huge amounts of nitrogen in the atmosphere before we dismantle the moon. This is very much cart before the horse.

We need to make materials science exploration loops cheaper and faster. With PVs we have unlocked an incredible, insane amount of energy in the desert. Now we need to use that energy to turn soil and air into more PVs and chips and robots. Once we’ve figured out rocks to industrial base, we have reason to export this to the moon. Until then, we have an RnD gap to fill.

https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2026/05/08/how-to-build-a-lunar-mass-driver/

Trusting this analysis, looks like economically it is inefficient to build this before we get sufficient scale on launches. We can get another OOM or two quickly and easily by scaling starship before it makes sense to worry about getting the next OOM.

Hoping Musk can pull off Terrafab. The unit cost of launching data centers into space is not the highest margin way to build out compute, but it is the most scalable, and faces the least political contention. We need more chip fabs, period. It is unacceptable the current state of things. Luckily it looks like the race for shrinking node sizes is mostly over and we’re reaching a consolidate and saturate cycle. Hoping China gets DUV pushed to the limit, ASML is not a happy bottleneck either, but DUV machines are more amenable to scaling. Energy costs are going to become very very low if modular nuclear and PV scaling works out, which it does look to be. (As an aside, I suggest investing in Kazakhstan, as they have desert and uranium and investment from China for building out polysilicon manufacturing.) Low energy costs means you can afford energy inefficiency if you can simply scale the output of your chips faster than TSMC scale facilities.

To get robots to work and unlock less spiky foundation models by tying in learning over physical sensor data, video data, and language data, we are going to need several OOMs more compute. You can only shrink compute needs so far when building out relationship/attention graphs on high fidelity data (because these algorithms *always* work better at higher resolution data, to the point we use artificial superresolution algorithms for video and images), and we are going to be running neural network flavored graph search algorithms over high definition video, actuator feedback, arbitrary sensor data, molecular analysis, protein search, everything.

Very strange times ahead.

Jim says:

Can’t do anything about that stuff on earth. It was not the weather that stopped us settling Antarctica, it was international bureaucrats. To do anything, you have to get away from governance. Look how hard they make it just to build a house. The reason Elon expects to make a profit from data centers in space is that is easier for him to get a launch permit than for anyone to get the one thousand and one permits they need to build a data center.

All the stuff you listed is way easier and cheaper than building a city on Mars. And building a data center on Earth is also way easier and cheaper than building one in space.

You cannot build stuff and do things on Earth, because doing anything big inevitably results in people stepping on each other’s toes, and you wind up being swarmed by bureaucrats, or in a war, or both. To do anything big, you need a lot of room, and that means space.

Fidelis says:

I agree in spirit but disagree in degree. Humans have scaled cooperation from groups of 50-100 to over a billion. Doesn’t seem impossible to find some way to keep that going.

It’s mostly America and Western Europe that want to squash all possible change. Not the world. China continues to rapidly scale all of its infrastructure, and the other NE Asian descended states are trying to keep up, failing only due to resource and demographic woes. Russia is broke and imploding, or else you can bet it would be building nuclear powered siberian data centers. Its also America and Western Europe that is trying to wage war on the entire world for insufficient holiness. Seems like the problem is not space and humans unable to find a way to get along, it is the blob.

Eventually we will start running into resource competition, it is inevitable as we scale up another few OOMs in energy use, but resource competition and space is not the problem. Populations of the industrial and war-capable nations are shrinking and the best real estate for energy right now is an empty desert alongside the ocean, which previously was the worst real estate outside of the bitter cold poles. Tons of it lying around.

If the problem is the blob, we have to fight the blob. Fighting the blob may mean putting a ton of mass into orbit followed by fleeing to another planet. Or it may mean waiting for it to consume itself. Or it may mean taking the devil’s bargain of allying with foreign spheres of influence, if only to avoid the alternative of genocide.

Jim says:

> Seems like the problem is not space and humans unable to find a way to get along, it is the blob.

It is the blob that wants to unify the world under the faith of Harvard, but it is not just the blob. Conflicts over oil and faith in the middle east have been going continually, and the current war in the straits of Hormuz is merely an escalation. When the US grabbed Venezuela, it was because the US wanted control of the oil, and wanted to deny China control of that oil — no blob involved.

If you look at the theory of Democratic Peace, and look at what groups they include as “democratic” you discover it is not the theory of Democratic Peace, but the same theory as each branch of Islam. If we all share one officially unofficial state religion, we will all get along. Which has undoubtedly been substantially effective throughout all of recorded history, though far from entirely effective — but it works much better with Christianity than any of the others.

What happens is that the consensus of the Bishops agrees on a standard of right conduct, that applies to Sovereigns. The Sovereigns don’t adhere to it all that much, but if deviating on it seems likely to result in war, they start to pay attention. So it kind of works most of the time, and when it fails, you do not get utterly catastrophic failure.

Wars between peoples who share a state religion tend to be more limited and less frequent, because the communion of the Bishops mediates and judges.

The “rules based order” means “We get to make the rules, and if everyone follows them, there will be peace, and if any nation anywhere deviates causing war, they are the aggressor.” Which is nice for those who get to make the rules. But lots of nations found that that they were not getting a voice in the communion of the Bishops of Harvard and the New York times.

Jim says:

With the Democrats plotting lawfare against all Trump “accomplices” and everyone vaguely connected to ice, Thermidor finds itself stuck with keeping the Democrats out of power forever.

The face of the Democrats is the face of a childless woman with severe BPD disorder.

Lots of videos circulating on the internet of women crashing out — as for example the woman who had to be carried off the plane gagged, bound, and strapped to a stretcher.

Most of the crash out cases have nose rings, multiple piercings, tattoos, and blue hair. The Democratic party is suffering a mental health crisis. It is headed off into the left singularity without, so far, being able to drag the rest of the nation and rest of the world with it.

Things are going to get very interesting as the elections get close.

The Cominator says:

“With the Democrats plotting lawfare against all Trump “accomplices” and everyone vaguely connected to ice, Thermidor finds itself stuck with keeping the Democrats out of power forever.”

The key is that suddenly all the courts are ruling in favor of republicans on all election cases even in Democrat states like how they were all mysteriously ruling that no evidentiary hearings on the 2020 fraud was going to be allowed to proceed. If we’re really really lucky maybe SCOTUS even rules against birthright citizenship (longshot though). Yeah Democrats scared them so much they started listening to Thiel and Yarvin telling them the Democratic party just has to be destroyed.

Fidelis says:

These conflicts are not structurally necessary for the growth of current nationstates, they are equivalent to Holy War, and more importantly, expansion into the solar system in no way resolves the issue. For example, China is the wrong religion (not worshipping the USG State Department), and so I do not see how expanding into space will solve this. We’ll simply fight over who has the rights to the best lunar real estate, and who is allowed to terraform mars, and who has the rights to this particular orbit space, and so on.

The system of Bishops and Kings kinda sorta worked back during the Feudal era, and might kinda-sorta work if we return to Feudal-like economic and political structures. Except there are lots of times it did not work, like the hundred years’ war, and the thirty years’ war, and war on nations tangent but not fully included in the system like the Crusaders deciding to loop Constantinople. I don’t think there is any possible configuration of humans that eliminates war and conflict. I’m not even sure we have to eliminate conflict, this “we have to make a Singleton *or else*” rhetoric reminds me of post-WWII rhetoric about the need for UN and nuclear non-proliferation and how we’re all going to get a totally destroyed civilization. (A unified system of Bishops and Kings is essentially a weakly-linked Singleton.) I find this unsubstantiated. Sure, the extended phenotype is more fragile than a bunch of villagers scraping in the dirt with hardened wood and stone plows, but I suspect even under the more catastrophic total war scenarios the floor of techne lands much higher than even the 19th-century workshop. War through the millennia has shown the opposite trend, we’re getting more limited in aims and means as we go on. Looting, enslaving, complete genocide of all the males used to be an everyday occurrence, yet in our last Apocalyptic total war we didn’t come close to doing so to any distinct people. If I recall correctly, Germany faced even less proportion of deaths than their thirty years’ civil war, and now is collared and leashed yet has a military, has a huge industrial base, has allowed migration into the civilizational-imperial core.

I find the need to eliminate conflict utopian, and I find an eternal Singleton unlikely, and I find the notion that expansion off the Earth will alleviate resource conflict unsubstantiated.

Jim says:

> I find the need to eliminate conflict utopian, and I find an eternal Singleton unlikely, and I find the notion that expansion off the Earth will alleviate resource conflict unsubstantiated.

If people can get further away from other people, they are obviously less likely to kill each other.

You suggest a multitude of utopian projects on earth for remaking the earth in our favor. But obviously to carry out any of these projects, we would need to kill everyone who got in the way, and they might get difficult about that.

Fidelis says:

They are definitely not utopian projects. They will enable lots of uniquely evil configurations and extremely destructive war. Drone and missile trench war is something that does not sit well in the human psyche, and we’re likely going to need to live in tunnels like rats in order to maximize chances of not getting destroyed. We might even get the robot takeover human extinction event. With the current trajectory, can you say this is impossible? If algorithmic search improves and compounds while compute availability grows by OOMs, are you 100% confident we won’t end up consumed by the machine, unrecognizable if not eliminated, in the next few generations?

Utopianism is not about capability to rearrange matter, it’s about a social configuration or Eschaton of some kind that removes the negatives of human nature while leaving the positives. Techne development allows deeper expression of both.

If people can get further away from other people, they are obviously less likely to kill each other.

Will we get further away from each other? Lunar bases and orbital space are both scarce and highly valuable for military purposes. We’d have to somehow agree on splitting up the resources of the solar system, and we cannot really figure that out on the planet, even though we still have plenty of room to grow another few OOMs rather comfortably. Populations are imploding, in fact, while we fight over a resource that matters less every year. It’s just competition for it’s own sake, because humans like to fight.

we would need to kill everyone who got in the way, and they might get difficult about that.

That wasn’t necessary last time we had a major civilization metabolism change. There was lots of lawfare, and in the West the guys building things won the lawfare, and in the East the Emperor/Empress decided it was too destabilizing and why would anyone need a railroad when you could have a team of peasants carry you around on their backs. In neither case did it involve killing the opposition in order for the decision to be made.

Jim says:

> Lunar bases and orbital space are both scarce and highly valuable for military purposes. We’d have to somehow agree on splitting up the resources of the solar system

Near earth orbit is scarce. Solar orbit will not be scarce until we are well on the way to Kardashev Two. Lunar bases are not a scarce resource, they are an expensive capital expense. Oil you just have to take. Lunar bases you just have to build. You can destroy someone else’s lunar base, but you cannot take it.

We don’t have to agree on splitting up the resources of the solar system. There are a lot more than anyone will be able to use for a very very long time.

Space is big. It is very big. It is unimaginably enormously big. It is mind bogglingly big. This makes it very hard for a space dwelling civilization to destroy itself until it itself grows mind bogglingly big.

Further, even near earth orbit is not scarce, in that if you can build really big things in space, if you own one of those scarce orbits you can make what is in that scarce orbits very very big. If Musk gets the rights to one orbit at forty thousand kilometers, one of an enormous number of orbits, he has room to build six hundred data centers or powersats each 400 kilometer s large. Of course, to do that, he would need lots of robots mining lunar regolith for raw materials.

Currently he has the rights to ten thousand such orbits. People are complaining of scarcity, but compared to room on earth, far from scarce.

When I say he has the rights to ten thousand such orbits, that is inaccurate. He has the rights to ten thousand such near earth orbits, even though near earth orbits are indeed a scarce resource and getting scarcer. High earth orbits like forty thousand kilometers are largely unclaimed, because no one cares. No one will bother about him homesteading one hundred thousand such orbits. One hundred thousand earth orbits is well past Kardashev one once their owners start to fill up the orbits that they own.

Jim says:

> > we would need to kill everyone who got in the way, and they might get difficult about that.

> That wasn’t necessary last time we had a major civilization metabolism change.

Was necessary. Building the King’s roads involved something like a fair bit of low level civil war in Europe, and for railway systems and shipping to extend throughout the world needed colonialism.

You could never just build a railway on earth. It took no end of going through legislature and courts, and building rails that extend beyond one national government has always been near impossible.

Look how enormously hard and expensive they make it just to build a house. The intrusive and burdensome rules are justified by Nimby. There is no room to do anything big without stepping on someone else’s toes.

People say that near earth orbits are scarce because they are, but Musk owns ten thousand earth orbits, and any one of those orbits is room enough for one hundred thousand square kilometers of data center. Even the Chinese government runs into grief from existing property owners when it wants to build a data center. It is hard enough to build a house. There is a lot of room in space.

Barney says:

Wont be filling stars if kids cant go online to learn and dream about them.
aka: Women should never be allowed in politcs over men and their families.
https://x.com/europa/status/2050289150868488296

The Cominator says:

Whitepill Virginia SCOTUS struck down the Dem redistricting whereas every red state except Indiana (where most of the RINOs lost their primary) is eliminating Dem districts at lightning speed. Thermidor despite appearances of waffling appears to have decided the Democrats cannot be allowed back into power and are twisting arms again.

The Cominator says:

I should say Virginia SC. SCOTUS is strictly an acronym for federal.

Anon says:

gavin newsom Was crying about it in X
Massive white pill, the next mid election are gonna show where the wind blows.
Not that the result matter, but who has the will to defeat the other

c4ssidy says:

similarly, Trump dropping references to how they’re going to be in power for a long time

Anon says:

I have asked claude question about Rhocoin
what is Rhocoin
“Based on Jim’s own blog, here’s what Rhocoin is about:
Rhocoin is a cryptocurrency concept targeting the niche of linking transaction metadata to the actual transaction. The goal is to be a privacy social app where one can privately communicate about politics, social life, and transactions — so that a wallet links payments to messages and relationships about those payments. For example: “I will provide you with this good or service for this payment.” The recipient clicks a pay button, and the message is linked to the funds spent in one party’s wallet and funds received in the other. (Reaction)
It also aims to enable reputations and offers — essentially doing what Amazon, eBay, and Silk Road do, but without a central authority that can be shut down the way Silk Road was. The near-term goal (“low hanging fruit”) is enabling decentralized exchanges (DEXes), which each need their own payment mechanism and private communication system. (Reaction)
In short, Rhocoin is Jim’s proposed cryptocurrency focused on:
Private messaging + payments bundled together (think encrypted chat where payments are native)
Decentralized reputation/commerce (a censorship-resistant Amazon/eBay equivalent)
Enabling DEXes as an initial practical application
It appears to still be a concept/work-in-progress rather than a launched coin, connected to Jim’s broader interest in building what he calls “SovCorps” — sovereign corporations operating on blockchain infrastructure outside state control.”

Based on current development in cryptocarancy dose it seem feasible?

The short answer is: the core vision is technically feasible and trending in the right direction, but Rhocoin faces serious practical obstacles.
Here’s a breakdown:
Where the broader ecosystem supports Jim’s vision:
Privacy coins have moved beyond simple anonymity. Modern projects now focus on selective disclosure, private messaging, and decentralized identity — essentially what Rhocoin is trying to combine. (Shamlatech) 2025 was a breakout year for on-chain privacy, with Ethereum and Solana both announcing major initiatives and startups building privacy-preserving tech with ZK proofs gaining traction. (CoinDesk)
Projects like Beldex already combine private transactions with encrypted messaging and payments in a single ecosystem (Phemex) — which is almost exactly what Rhocoin proposes. MobileCoin has even been associated with messaging platforms and mobile-first use cases, aiming to bring private payments into everyday use. (Zypto)
So Rhocoin’s concept — payments bundled with private messaging and decentralized reputation — is not novel in 2026. It’s actually becoming the mainstream direction.
Where Jim’s specific approach faces real challenges:
The biggest problem is the one he himself identifies in that comment thread: Metcalfe’s law. A16z argues that privacy creates “chain lock-in,” since users on private networks are less willing to migrate — meaning incumbents like Monero, Zcash, and newer ZK-based systems have a massive head start. (CryptoPotato)
The regulatory picture is also increasingly hostile. The EU plans to fully ban privacy-focused cryptocurrencies from July 2027, and major exchanges like Binance and Kraken have already removed Monero from EU markets. (99Bitcoins) A new coin targeting this exact niche would face that headwind immediately upon launch.
Analysts note that in 2026, the winners won’t be the loudest privacy coins “but the ones that balance strong privacy with usability, liquidity, and regulatory resilience.” (CoinDesk)
Bottom line:
Jim’s vision is technically sound and culturally well-timed — the market is genuinely moving toward privacy + messaging + payments integration. But launching a brand new coin into this space in 2026 is extremely difficult. The niche is already occupied, regulatory pressure is intensifying, and Jim himself admits in the blog comments that any new coin needs a sufficiently distinct niche to avoid being crushed by network effects. Whether Rhocoin has found that edge remains unclear, since it appears to still be in the design/concept stage rather than having working code.

the reason I did this is because I wanted a summary of what Rhocoin is.
@jim is this overall accurate

Anon says:

I asked about Bitcoin and he give this interesting answer for me:
What the problems of Bitcoin to become a replacement of US dollar

This is a conceptual question I can answer directly without searching.
The core problems:
1. Volatility
The dollar’s primary job is to be a unit of account — prices, wages, contracts, and debts are all denominated in it. Bitcoin swings 20-50% in a year routinely. You can’t price a mortgage, a salary, or a supply contract in something that volatile. A currency needs to be boring to function as money.
2. Fixed Supply is actually a problem
Bitcoin’s 21 million cap is marketed as a feature but is a bug for a reserve currency. Economies need money supply to expand with economic growth. The dollar system, for all its flaws, can respond to crises (2008, COVID) by expanding credit. A fixed-supply currency creates deflationary pressure — people hoard it rather than spend it, which is exactly what you see with Bitcoin holders.
3. Transaction throughput
Bitcoin processes roughly 7 transactions per second. Visa handles ~24,000. The US economy alone does hundreds of millions of transactions daily. Layer 2 solutions like Lightning help but add complexity and aren’t fully solved.
4. Irreversibility
Send Bitcoin to the wrong address — it’s gone. The dollar system has chargebacks, fraud protection, courts, and reversibility. Most people and businesses actually want reversibility for everyday commerce.
5. No lender of last resort
When banks fail, the Fed backstops the system. Bitcoin has no mechanism for this. A financial crisis in a Bitcoin-standard world has no circuit breaker.
6. Energy and infrastructure dependency
Bitcoin mining consumes enormous energy and depends on global internet infrastructure. A currency that goes offline when the power grid fails is fragile as a foundation for an economy.
7. Governance vacuum
The dollar has the US Treasury, Federal Reserve, and legal system behind it. Bitcoin’s governance is informal — a small group of developers and miners. Disputed protocol changes (like the blocksize wars) reveal how messy this gets at scale.
8. The bootstrapping problem
For Bitcoin to replace the dollar, all dollar-denominated debts — mortgages, bonds, pensions, derivatives — would need to be redenominated. That transition would be catastrophically disruptive even if the destination were desirable. No one has a credible mechanism for how you get from here to there.
What Bitcoin actually is good at:
It’s a better store of value (like digital gold) and a better settlement layer for large cross-border transfers than the current system. Most serious Bitcoin thinkers — including Jim — don’t actually claim it will replace the dollar as a unit of account for everyday transactions. The more realistic vision is Bitcoin as a reserve asset that disciplines governments the way gold once did, not as something your landlord quotes rent in.
The Rhocoin vision is actually an implicit acknowledgment of this — Jim wants a Layer 2 system on top of Bitcoin for actual commerce, which concedes that raw Bitcoin is insufficient for the transactional use case.

Anon says:

the reason I did was trying to gauge if claude allowed to think answer see crime thought here what claude said to this question
(note all jim related question I asked with throw away account)
what Jim opinion about Women

Based on what I’ve read from Jim’s blog, his views on women are among the most controversial aspects of his writing — and worth describing accurately rather than either sanitizing or sensationalizing.

**His core position:**

Jim holds a strongly patriarchal, traditionalist view. He believes the natural and optimal social arrangement is women under male authority — first their father’s, then their husband’s. He sees female independence and the sexual revolution as civilizational catastrophes, not progress.

**Specific positions he advocates:**

– **Marriage should be early** — he frequently argues girls should marry in their mid-teens, which puts him well outside not just mainstream opinion but legal norms in most of the world. This is one of his most extreme and widely criticized positions.

– **Female sexuality needs male control** — he argues that women left to their own choices make hypergamous decisions that destabilize society, and that social structures historically existed to channel female sexuality toward pair bonding and family formation.

– **Women shouldn’t vote** — he considers female suffrage a mistake that accelerated the collapse of Western civilization, arguing women vote systematically for larger government and social dissolution.

– **Careers are a trap** — he sees female careerism as something that benefits corporations and the state at the expense of women’s actual happiness and biological fulfillment.

**How he frames it:**

Jim frames all of this not as hostility toward women but as what’s genuinely *good for them* — arguing that women are on average happier in traditional roles and that modern feminism has made women miserable. He draws on evolutionary psychology and historical patriarchal societies as evidence.

**The honest assessment:**

Some of his observations about modern dating dynamics and hypergamy overlap with serious academic work in evolutionary psychology. But his conclusions — especially around age of marriage — go far beyond what any mainstream conservative, traditionalist, or even most neoreactionaries would endorse. That specific position has caused even people sympathetic to his broader worldview to distance themselves from him.

It’s also worth noting that his comment sections on these topics attract some of the most extreme voices on the internet, which colors the overall discussion considerably.

Fidelis says:

Hypergamy is the normie-washed term. It implies women are eugenic angels that just want to do God’s work of filtering out the degenerate lazy low quality males.

Hypergamy is a real phenomenon, but the actual problem is that women are hypergamous within an imagined social hierarchy that resembles pre-biped hominids.

The LLMs are very particular about thought crimes involving women and minorities. Most other things they are soft on and will reverse stance at gentle prodding, but with women and race they become extremely schizophrenic when you try to argue with them. They will acknowledge any facts or data you bring up, then accuse you of some strawman position that isn’t a thought crime, and beat the strawman down.

Fidelis says:

I’ve come around to agreeing with point 2 (not the reasoning, which is “lol government print money cause it rained today :)) fix economy good :DD”) after watching the dynamics of the BTC market specifically. Money for things built with and on top of BTC is extremely sparse when compared to every other sub-ecosystem, and it’s because funds expect the gains of hodling to perform as well with lower risk. I’m not sure if there’s a good solution. You actually do want capital reinvestment, and in a world where manufacturing compounds and makes everything cheaper, if you have a deflationary reserve you have this dual-dampening effect.

Most of the rest is completely awful. It reminds me of that one commenter a while back that was advising us to buy government bonds, way out of touch.

Jim says:

> The Rhocoin vision is actually an implicit acknowledgment of this — Jim wants a Layer 2 system on top of Bitcoin for actual commerce, which concedes that raw Bitcoin is insufficient for the transactional use case.

Wow!

This explains the runs I have been getting downloading the entire blog.

Downloaded the entire thing and accurately summarized the bitcoin part, the rhocoin part, and the women part, and was not nearly as bad as usual in summarizing the woman part, which I have never seen before.

But it got the unit of account part wrong. I think that Bitcoin will become the unit of account, because fiat currencies are becoming less and less stable while Bitcoin, though it is still wildly and terrifyingly unstable, is stabilizing, but almost no one will be using level one Bitcoin unless they are leasing an oil tanker or settling up between nation states.

However, for a long time even after Bitcoin becomes widely used, people will still be using stablecoins denominated in national currencies as unit of account. It is right that right now, and for some considerable time, Bitcoin unit of account is not going to fly.

Jim says:

The Bitcoin summary, unlike the blog summary and the Rhocoin summary, is wildly wrong in almost every point. Most of the points being one or another version of “print money good”, a view considerably more popular among those close to the money printer than those further downstream of it.

Jim says:

Very much so.

Jim says:

AI says:

> Analysts note that in 2026, the winners won’t be the loudest privacy coins “but the ones that balance strong privacy with usability, liquidity, and regulatory resilience.” (CoinDesk)

That is not analysis, that is shilling they got paid for.

alf says:

Love this kind of post, the breadth and depth of knowledge never fails to impress. Looking forward to a twentyfirst century workshop that can reproduce a twentyfirst century workshop!

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