The Global American Empire thought sanctions would ruin Russia. Still think that, though they now think it will take a little longer. Formerly talking weeks, now talking years.
The Russian economy has, according to statistics, been knocked down ten or twenty percent. Seeing a Youtuber chatting to Russians on the ground, sounds roughly accurate. The question is, is it, like the ruble, bouncing back, or going over a cliff? The ruble bounce back came as a shock to the Global American Empire, and they are still in denial, though the denial is getting mighty thin. I rather think that the effect of sanctions on the Russian economy is going to be similar, is already becoming similar.
The effect of the sanctions has been to impose National Capitalism on Russia from outside.
A modest dose of national capitalism worked great for the Trump economy. It spectacularly industrialized South Korea.
National Capitalism defined
National Capitalism is self sufficiency in the organization of people for production, and self sufficiency in the skills and equipment needed for production, that relies on internal free markets and supports local businessmen.
If your people are being organized for production under a businessman subject to a foreign sovereign, that foreign sovereign is going to make him pursue the interests of that sovereign rather than your sovereign, such as exporting his state religion to you, and the interests of that sovereign’s people, not your people.
If the skills and equipment needed for producing one thing are in your country, rather than in a foreign country, production of that thing has large beneficial externalities, making it easier for others of your people to produce other things, creating opportunity and incentive for the talented among your people. These externalities are not part of the profit and loss of the business, so businesses are apt to make decisions to offshore stuff where the offshoring has harmful externalities onshore. And if the business is run by a foreigner subject to a foreign corporate headquarters, he is going to keep critical skills and equipment close to his foreign headquarters. Hence close to a foreign sovereign, and far from your people, who are thus unable to take advantage of those skills and equipment to compete with that business, or start other businesses producing related products.
So how is this working out for Russia
A builder in the middle of a one horse town found that nails and screws were unobtainable or absurdly expensive, because they had formerly been imported from the west. He also found that metals, which had formerly been exported to the west, were now considerably cheaper.
According to Global America Economists, that builder is now going to stop building. And for a little while he did stop building. What he did instead of building was go to China and buy a self contained computer controlled machine that turns metal into nails and screws, and now he is back to building, and also in the business of selling nails and screws.
If millions of Russians are doing something similar, then the short term effect is that the sanctions will have rapidly diminishing impact, and the long term effect will be to create Russian skills and jobs repairing, maintaining, upgrading, and eventually building those machines.
Similarly when the McDonalds franchise pulled out of Russia. The former franchisees organized a new franchise, and their burger joints ripped down their McDonald’s signs and put up the new signs. They also renamed, and slightly altered, their menu. Which means that Russians are a whole lot less likely to be forced to watch black people, mixed race couples, transexuals, and faggots, eating burgers on television.
Ok, reading the trend of the conversations here, it appears that the conversation between us Dharmics and western reaction is over.
I have nothing more to say.
First to conquer the stars wins.
[*censored*]
Hardly. I think we can still have interesting critiques, and conversations. In both directions, given honest intentions. However, if, like Ser Singh/Jatt Arya, someone decides to offer intentional offense, we will respond. I think that having an international perspective on reaction is more valuable than only critiques of our own culture. It allows us to evaluate the core principles of civilization from outside the cultures we grew up in.
There’s no intentional offense [*censored for gross and blasphemous intentional offense of just about everyone*]
Problem is every time we have had the beginning of a fruitful conversation, there has been some kind of disruption. Not going to name-call, but once it was some guy (later proved to be a shill) bringing up the topic of street shitting. I fell for it the first time, but got smart when it happened again. Another time, it is some guy needlessly inviting insults to Hindu Gods. Another time ,it is somebody needlessly introducing some other disruptive topic like veganism (which is a distinct Cathedral faith clearly different from traditional Hindu vegetarianism, which the Cathedral loves to attack using the consumption of beef as a weapon).
Last time I spent a lot of effort to bring some atmosphere of camaraderie back into the discourse, and I thought we had a tacit understanding not to denounce each others’ Gods. Unfortunately Jim continues to call out specific Hindu Gods as demons, when earlier he had said that it should be a matter for Hindus to sort out.
It seems to me that the Cathedral has a dedicated section of shills devoted to ensuring that any Hindu Right wing does not get into a productive conversation or understanding with Western Dissident Right.
It’s very tiresome to see the shills getting their results.
It means that our conversations are going to be messy, offensive, and had in the middle of a fight. That is a shame, but this is a war. The enemy gets a say in a war. We are at war for the survival of our two peoples, so I will do my best to reach out a hand. I still think there can be camaraderie and discourse between us. Given how badly they want to stop us, there is worth in continuing the discussion.
Look at the conversations where Ser Singh-and pardon the metaphor, but it is too good to pass up–starts shitting all over the place. There are the comments responding to him which are rude, crude, and intended to provoke an emotional response. Then SomeDude or Aryaman comment in it, and the hostility gets turned off to talk with them. It only gets turned back on when Ser Singh starts in again.
We Western reactionaries can draw a distinction between collegial discussions and verbal assaults. And finally, to be frank, my opinion of Hinduism should matter as little to you as your opinion of Christianity does to me. Ultimately, we are looking to fix our own civilizations, and it is very likely that any specific solutions would not work for one another. We are very different peoples after all, even if we share the same problems. But that very difference is what makes the conversation so useful. Do not let the Cathedral take it away.
My attitude on this blog is that I’m here to learn. Jim’s blog is like a university (multi-versity?) on sociology, psychology, political economy, Game theory and what have you. I am a huge admirer of how Jim
1. Handles shills.
2. Interprets Christianity in light of Game theory, biology, evolution and natural selection.
3. Digs up old Christian sources from a time that things used to work.
My hope is that Dharmics learn from Jim because the essentials are the same. Of course I don’t agree with Jim’s interpretation of Lord Krishna and Lord Shiva, but to then withdraw from dialogue from what is probably the highest IQ discussion space on the internet for just for those two reasons would be throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
Dharmics have to be thick-skinned and certain ground rules are to be followed. No Dharmic must insult Christianity or Christians on this blog. They are free to do so on their own blogs and forums, but not here. As the Brits like to say, it’s just not cricket.
Hindus have made the mistake of once being inward looking (navel gazing as some call it) and the result was a millenium of subjugation. They can’t afford it this time as the result might well be annihilation. They have to be outward looking, learn as much as they can from every credible source out there, friendly unfriendly or neutral.
Yet, if Hindu Gods are insulted here, we will just politely disagree and move on to other learnings which are plenty. This place is a treasure trove of worldly wisdom. I would not stop engaging unless Jim explicitly asks me to.
I enjoy your comments and lament that your attitude is not wider spread among other dharma commenters.
When Jim points to Krishna as a bad influence, I assume he is correct until proven wrong, and also that he is trying to be helpful, not insulting. Jim has an imitable talent for that kind of stuff. But, peace of westphalia demands that if you take it as an insult, we move on to other stuff.
if you enjoy reading my comments, that’s high praise indeed. I am among the few (as you joked about the number) that bought your book. It was quality. Now excuse me while I go lift some weights to take advantage of this testosterone boost.
Never let a testosterone boost go to waste.
Haha good stuff.
On this, Jim is neither entirely right nor wrong, but closer to wrong than right. But really, it does not matter. The north star is Ayodhya. It is wholly of this world. Rama is the ideal man, Sita the ideal wife, and his rule is one of virtuous prosperity and not indifferent self-abnegation.
That some pretty bad demons were absorbed somewhere or the other is pretty obvious. The good thing is that these demons are more or less literally presented demons, which should be easier to deal with in time than whatever has got people gagging their children with masks.
As for what mutual worth there is of collegiality, I point back to my above recommendation that everyone watch Baahuballi and RRR. It is no surprise the director says he takes his inspiration from Mel Gibson.
Long ago, you guys had some impressive mathematics, and some decent technology and industry.
And then, under East India company rule, you had decent mathematics again.
I have been nagging you guys to dig up information on the faith that ruled when you had some good stuff long ago.
Have you tried? Is that information lost?
I have been industriously digging what made our development of of science, technology, industry, industrialization, and empire happen, and confidently conclude that the ruling faith was central in making it all possible. Have you been digging?
We know that the Aryans were initially contemptuous of the deities of conquered. What I suspect you will find is an East India Company situation, where the proto Hindu Aryan rulers went right on being contemptuous of the deities of the conquered.
[*censored*]
Part of the problem with polytheistic systems is their nature as a theological compromise between different groups. Ditching a large portion of the pantheon would piss a lot of people off, almost certainly causing instability. Would require a lot of sovereign violence to keep the peace, and for this reason likely out of the memescape of possibility for Hindus.
Aryan polytheism was a compromise between the deified ancestor of one gens, and the deified ancestor of another gens, when they formed a coalition to knock down a city’s walls.
And then the gods of the conquered Dravidians were allowed in, and brought some baggage with them. The Hindus, if they are unable to chuck out those gods, need to chuck out that baggage.
That information is lost, though maybe I ought to be looking harder. Though it seems pretty likely quite a bit of the advanced mathematics was the result of deep inquiry into the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin, or the like.
But I think enough of the religion remains, some of it with a lot of fidelity, that we can speculate as to what will work by projecting what worked in England onto what we have that remains.
It is obvious that something bad happened to your religion a long time ago. And something bad is happening right now, and your analysis of what is going wrong now sounds good to me.
But you need to look for what went wrong a long time ago.
It is unhelpful for an outsider to call out certain gods as demons, but you have an old problem somewhere. It would be a lot more helpful were an insider to look for it.
is there a collection of your selected writings? a pdf or something? if there isn’t, there needs to be. at least make a collection post or something.
I am primarily concerned with organizing my writings on software, which have yet to be published. And real life is has been keeping me mighty busy for the past couple of months and will likely keep me busy for three months longer.
As for your software, please don’t stop, because the iron is hot:
@elonmusk:
“Buying Twitter is an accelerant to creating X, the everything app”
It’s a rorschach kind of teaser for sure, but when I look at it, I “see” your supercrypto communication+currency+commerce system.
I’ll try to initiate this as a response to Opioidus’ comment, as he was the one requesting it, but if there’s not enough response, will launch a new thread.
Let’s put together a Selected Jim reading list. Every regular, both rarepoasters and usual suspects, please respond here with 1 to 3 favorite posts, blessed posts, or stellar comments. Restrict it to Jim’s stuff for now, as we will do another list for blessed and stellar comments.
Dig deep, my negros. I know there have been some amazing posts in the last year, but let’s try to reach way back. Once there is a good selection, I will make a Curated List, and then we can expand if needed.
Please attempt to keep this meta; dredging up Classic Jim will almost definitely reinitiate old discussions and disagreements, which is fine and even desirable, but the goal is to construct a reading list that can be shared with a single link. Also, this is for us to do, as Jim has stated he is busy.
Here are 3 random selections:
https://blog.reaction.la/party-politics/the-real-election-platform/
https://blog.reaction.la/uncategorized/the-ruling-underclass/
https://blog.reaction.la/culture/guns-ideas-fashion-and-military-parades/
Here’s the first ever comment of Jim’s I saved offline. It’s from 2018. Been saving the brightest lightening bolts ever since.
https://blog.reaction.la/party-politics/election-outcome/#comment-1936037
All part of my ongoing post-grad continuing education.
The make women property again one needs to be on the list.
Also the proper Christian genocide one.
above all “throne, altar and freehold“.
https://blog.reaction.la/science/the-cervix-and-rape/
Wouldn’t consider myself a regular poster, but have commented plenty of times here throughout the last 7 or so years, under various names.
An obvious one to include in a Jim reading list is “the Optics of Noticing“. Definitely shouldn’t be a first introduction to Jim, but it really weeds out who is actually redpilled on the WQ and who is purplepilled.
I’ll have a better look later and give a couple more recommendations. Probably some articles on the leftist singularity.
I don’t remember what year it was from, but the autobiographical piece about entryism, being a young Leftist, and seeing Maoist acquaintances come back from tours of China dead-eyed and spiritually broken but still repeating the party line was a banger.
That is not from the blog but from the main site: https://reaction.la/confess.htm
this hilarious one where Jim mocked SWPL food and its homeopathic quantities of black truffle sticks in my mind. https://blog.reaction.la/culture/murray-on-the-decline-of-marriage/
Great idea, adding on to the already good links by copy-pasting the Jim posts included in the LD50 book…
https://blog.reaction.la/politics/left-political-singularity/
https://blog.reaction.la/science/leftism-as-cancer/
https://blog.reaction.la/culture/game-dark-enlightenment-and-reaction/
Here’s one I found useful. Some selection bias though, from clicking back and forward from KD’s three links.
https://blog.reaction.la/economics/the-disastrous-effects-of-females-in-power/
This is a terrific idea. Consider including The Resurrection of God for the much-needed upbeat reminder:
Scanning through all those comments would take decades. Would one day need to set up some kind of foundation with people working full time. Eventually you’d have an organised collection of knowledge which you could use as a basis for a city-state, which according to theory would expand outward until encompassing the universe
Not really. I read the blog for a couple of years before I started posting about a year ago. Easily read through it start to finish. Most of the older posts do not have 1k+ comments. Probably the last couple of years have more comments than all previous years. It’s worth the read though, there have been a lot of quality posters over the years, and it’s interesting to see the development of the arguments and memes we use.
Key “Jimian†concepts. I can’t cite a link for most of these. In no particular order:
1. Democracy is not a long-run tenable system. People have been making this point for centuries if not millennia, but the “Jimian†description of the problem is more modern than someone commenting on ancient Rome or whatever.
2. The analytical perspective of evolutionary psychology-cum-game theory.
3. The application of this perspective to all the sex stuff. Female psych, etc.
4. The phrase “social technology.â€
Certain laws and customs regarding marriage, for example. Property rights are another example. This is one of those phrases that just clicks when you first encounter it and makes you wonder why someone didn’t coin it a long time ago.
5. In the last couple of years there was a post on the social effects of widespread acceptance of homosexuality. A poster (I forget who) originally wrote it and Jim turned it into a post, IIRC.
6. Holiness spirals/signaling spirals/purity spirals. I don’t think Jim originated the term, but this blog is probably one of the key nodes for spreading the concept.
7. The insistence on modeling the left for what it is – a bunch of evil people, briefly – and only paying attention to the left’s “ideas†as is necessary for practical purposes. The comments thread from the last year in which we all tried to define the damned thing has some great stuff. A note I made to myself: “At https://blog.reaction.la/party-politics/end-of-pretence-of-democracy-rescheduled-to-2024/
HerbR provides a good list of definitions of leftism…â€
1. Various articles on technological decline, including planes, skyscrapers, big macs per hour.
2. There hasn’t been a proper post but we need a proper post on the Jim/Starman position on female youth. Jim has posted many a golden comment on Gab regarding this subject.
3. Very obscure but there was a comment thread regarding The Truth About Arable Land And Soil Science which was very fascinating to my autism. A proper post regarding that would be useful.
This one deserves a mention too:
https://blog.reaction.la/culture/lancelot-guinevere-romance-and-the-red-blue-purple-black-and-white-pills/
1. Agree that that’s a good post. Stabs equalism in the eye with a knife.
2. Pseudo has a good comment there:
Evil Vizer/Undead Odalisque got purged off or Twitter. Guess the flat chested twat/employee had enough.
@i needs to take the shill test. He appears to be a blue pilled shill who’s not even trying to argue the issue, just posting bullshit.
I am posting evidence of the impact of such memeplexes.
Just because it is contrary to the actual truth on the ground about our knowledge of human nature. Doesn’t mean those people aren’t out there. Who genuinely are misled as per Jim’s analysis of their displacement behavior.
Unless those people are all fake somehow outside this blog and a few other websites of this dissident sphere.
I do not encounter these people in real life.
No one is offended or disturbed by an older male with a fertile female. Opposition to “pedophiles” is completely fake. Opposition to pederasts is spontaneous and heartfelt.
@jim
In that case. With videos with 10,000s to 100,000. With plenty of comments. And the anonymous comments appear to be written by real human beings talking about their real experiences.
And if anonymous certainly they should be more likely to speak their mind.
Those same channels also cover legitimate topics on the other hand. That seem well thought out with good evidence.
Other blogs I frequent similar to this blog also talks about such things from time to time.
How do I truly know if they are real or fake?
Should I believe ten thousand videos manufactured by authority, or my own eyes?
Been there, done that. No resemblance. Look at what people do, not what they say. It is completely fake. If it was real, we would have had a word for pedophilia all the way back to biblical times, but I can remember a time when most people could not comprehend the word.
It is a totally astroturfed effort manufactured from above to get the heat off faggots and onto normal men.
The are definitely government prosecutions about this:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/nearly-1700-suspected-child-sex-predators-arrested-during-operation-broken-heart
So in that sense the charging and putting of those men behind bars is also an astroturfed event?
Government action is the very definition of astroturf.
Astroturf is government pretending it is the spontaneous action of the people.
I apologize for the flattery, but it never ceases to amaze me how your clipped profundity opens neural pathways in my brain.
Of course it is, but the term was only coined when people wanted to portray their non-governmental adversaries as somehow low or unfair or dishonest for doing so. Liberal Democracies are just turf factories, the whole thing underpins the very concept of “democracy.” But we only think “astroturf” when it is some NGO or advocacy group. Very obvious, now that you’ve stated it plain.
Keep saying the things that go without saying, Jim. The failure to do so has always been the greatest weakness of the White Right.
Ah. I see.
@jim
Also came across this thread about the sordid history of Hollywood and their forced abortions(child murder) from one of the twitter people I follow:
https://twitter.com/She_Brings_Joy/status/1577688829338722304
So she may as well be telling the truth in regards to the abortion problem.
Of course. See the comments in that thread. The outrage over “this topic” and possible astroturf in action.
But coupled with legitimate grievance’s of Men who refused to marry the women they had sex with especially the young women.
Including one who made the wife he reluctantly married a living hell.
This guy retweeted that thread here:
https://twitter.com/Shamed_Vulture
He tried the Witch test which works quite well:
https://twitter.com/Shamed_Vulture/status/1572938148040306691
@jim
Do you believe the arrests of those Men are justified?
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/nearly-1700-suspected-child-sex-predators-arrested-during-operation-broken-heart
Here’s the test: is the alleged “child sex predator” gay? If yes, he’s guilty.
I researched this topic years ago. “Pedophiles” only seemed interested in girls until they grew boobs. Then I read about a couple of faggots who raped and killed a 14 years boy. Before they killed him they’d been planning to kidnap and sodomize an 11 year old girl they’d seen in the area. There’s no such thing as Pedophiles, just faggots doing what faggots do.
I actually saw some pictures of one particular air pilot who made this kind of Pron.
Yes. Absolute gay face.
I have encountered this. Some are mildly offended but overlook it quickly if the man is “of good will” or just agreeable to them. Doesnt manifest in a social confrontation. Others are greatly offended but I have only seen otherwised deranged leftie types greatly offended.
Synthetic outrage. Some people, mainly childless old women, are always on the lookout for socially approved reasons to harm people. I had one such incident, and immediately smelled the unreality.
I looked her in the eye and replied “she is old enough to bear children, and I am young enough to father them”. She looked around for the outraged lynch mob to support her, not seeing it, shrivelled up.
As I said, the most greatly offended are otherwise deranged. There is a mild sense of distaste among some young men. Mocking of an old man and his very young girlfriend at the casino, for a specific reference, but the incongruous relationship was only brought up as a side dish to the offense at the man’s obnoxious behavior otherwise.
Further proving that it is always “…and he bangs young sluts!” and never “He bangs young sluts and…”
Something that only exists in Polygon propaganda isn’t real. Posting propaganda videos doesn’t help your case. You’re being a useful idiot for people who hate you.
I think your problem is that you believe what woman say. Bad mistake. Historically courts have greatly devalued woman’s testimony because they are much more likely to re-arrange facts to suit their current view of an event. A woman can willingly go to bed with you, have multiple organism and a full night of pleasure and if you start acting beta the next day she can easily re-arrange last night’s sex as you raping her and she’ll fully believe it.
Believe what women do, not what they say.
Secondly, women love real rape. In my early 20s had a girl friend who was raped when she 13 and she talked about having been raped multiple times, but she talked about it like it was a status symbol. When I asked he about the details of the first rape, she described how she dressed up as adult including padding her bra, went to an illegal rave at a disused industrial center, and then wandered off into the darkness away from people. She was then raped by a random guy. At the time I thought it was odd she wasn’t all that upset about the experience. She never reported him to the cops. I assumed her other “rapes” where similar events where she put herself in a situation where she was likely to be raped. When someone walks into trouble multiple times it’s because they’re looking for that sort of trouble.
[*fake consensus*]
You need to present your version of reality within the frame that audience is unlikely to agree, and you are arguing for your story against our story.
If I allowed it through I would have to present exactly the same rebuttal as I presented before. Waste of space.
When you say something that presupposes something I have previously disputed, present as if a dispute was in progress and you are arguing your side in the dispute.
[*deleted for false consensus*]
The false consensus I referred to is the proposition that widespread academic accreditation is a bottom up phenomenon, rather than a top down phenomenon.
I will allow you to argue it is a bottom up phenomenon, but I will not permit you to debate as if no one thinks otherwise.
Look the article I posted even mentioned that the “draft dodging” phenomenon was deliberate and [censored for being unresponsive]
I have repeatedly proposed very different causes for the rise of accreditation, and very different consequences of that rise. And if I allowed your stuff through, would have to repeat my stuff all over again, because you write as if no one thought the causes were very different.
@jim
This is what DARPA is now doing:
https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/28/iarpa_ai_anonymous_text_author_writers/
What should be done?
First of all, most new tech is marketed with a lot of hype that overstates what it can do.
Try not to write with a particular style. (Pseudo has the most recognizable style here. You might want to change that when writing under a different name, Pseudo.) You have favorite metaphors, turns of phrase, foreign phrases? Don’t use them. And do make an effort to use turns of phrase you normally wouldn’t. You’re normally anal-retentive about the difference between a comma and a semi-colon? Deliberately misuse them when you need to mask your identity. You normally hate “different than”? Make sure to say “different than” when masking. Etc.
I suspect that this is only going to be useful to them – if at all – in certain narrow situations like, they already suspect that person A and person B are the same person and are looking for another tool to help them judge that. And the person(s) has a fairly unique writing style. They can’t sweep the entire Internet for everybody’s texts and compare every person to every other person. The mathematics of combinatorics would prevent this from happening before the heat death of the universe.
> deliberately misuse the semicolon
In the immortal words of William Muderface-Murderface-Murderface: I’d rather cut off my own dick.
Here is what you have to do; just fuck with your grammar and then robot will get big sad.
Me talk much better good English then any robot can underztand.
And that,s a; fact.
I’ve actually been thinking about this for quite some time. I contemplated posting about it, but was never able to marshal my thoughts to a degree I felt adequate or appropriate. Here are some of the ideas I’ve had.
Vowel dropping
Th nnc f th mssg y r trng t snd wll lmst crtnly b grbld bynd rcgnitn, bt th gnrl thrst f yr ntnt cn b cnstrd, hwvr ts pnfl t dl wth.
Cave man
Me share thought, have goal, and want talk-talk. Me have word enough make concept, but me uncertain if work for not-me.
Cormac
thiswouldbeuselessintermsoffightingthealgorithmorbotastheycanbetrainedtoinsertspacingandpunctuationmarksbuttheresultmightconfuselazyshillsintothinkingitisjustgibberish
Cryptemoji
[can’t provide an example, but it would just be a unique language using emojis; the obvious issue is that it is just a substitution cypher with glyphs, so all of the issues with such cyphers apply]
Field Strip
Basically, you must write out your complete comment, then go back through the entire thing and strip out everything but the most critical elements == must write comment, reread, remove extraneous judiciously
I think there’s some utility in there, but taking this path is to go ever deeper into esoterica and in-crowd dynamics. 4chan lingua franca has already done this, and has demonstrated that even a small lexicon of unique terms can be an insurmountable barrier to entry for most people, which is pretty much the opposite of the goal of this blog. This path also requires a significant and permanent participation, as few months away from the chans can annihilate the ease with which one formerly navigated the sphere.
Liberate a copy of GPT-3 and ask it to translate your comment into the style of Max Boot.
Bronze Age Pervert felt this heat coming around the corner. Tweets in weird caveman language and podcasts in silly Russian accent is this ok.
There has been a lot of Hindu posting but this I think is both relevant, and worthwhile to all here.
I heartily recommend you all watch S. S. Rajamouli’s Baahuballli (1 & 2), and then RRR. Jim will appreciate the mating dance (somewhat literally) in Baahuballi 1, and the action in all three films is fantastic. Action that you actually want to pay attention to for its own kinetic logic, action that is consistently novel and creative. Baahuballi is the better movie of the two but RRR has the better action and is more entertaining. Its anti-imperialism is entirely beside the point, is so exaggerated and portrayed as such in the service of masculinity that I don’t think anyone will actually be offended. (The British are portrayed as somewhat more savage than Red Indians in American classics).
You should try to watch it in the original Telugu, for the music is better, but it is easier to get ahold of in other languages of which Hindi is probably best. I watched it in the theater and have not seen Americans have so much fun watching a movie in a long time. I hope this recommendation is well-received. Ideally there is more to say about it in the context of this blog, but if nothing else hopefully fun. These are modern, blockbuster movies you can watch with your sons (and daughters) that valorize the good, beautiful, strong, and true.
You guys told me that the vedic religion from the time that you led the world in mathematics, science, and industry is irrecoverably lost.
Priests are always writing stuff down. I find this hard to believe.
Because our resident transwarrior wants to ban cow slaughter world wide, I did a little digging, and found that, as I suspected, the early Aryan faith in India did not prohibit cow slaughter. It is like the Bible on fornication and adultery: a prohibition against a violation of property rights, that got holiness spiraled into a prohibition on having and using property. Asok is fine with cows being slaughtered by their rightful owners. (Their rightful owners probably being Aryans who were allowing their cattle to pasture on Dravidian crops and who did not want those pesky Dravidians interfering with the cow.)
If I can dig that up, while not being Indian and scarcely trying, you can doubtless dig up lots of unthinkable stuff. I suspect that the state religion of the time and the area where Indians led the world is not lost, just disturbingly unthinkable.
We urgently need to impose the Pauline requirement that priests be recruited from married fertile men with well behaved children, because celibacy gives us a Church full of faggots, and to the extent that they are not faggots, they lack the skills to support husbands and fatherhood. Fixing the ban on cow slaughter is far less urgent for you than fixing the problem of celibate priests is for us, but there is something else crapping up your religion that makes it bad for science, technology, industry, and good governance.
One of the things that made the limited liability joint stock publicly traded for profit corporation possible was that the Anglican Church pushed a doctrine that earning an honest living was a meritorious, holy, and divinely ordained activity, rather than being “worldliness”.
This was a reaction to the corruption that was exposed to justify the dissolution of the monasteries. Henry the eighth made a pretty good case that they were not performing their spiritual function, and the Anglican Church internalized that. This doctrine had a great deal to do with industrialization and world conquest – that it was right and meritorious to turn an honest profit. The doctrine that material and effective causation was the Logos manifest similarly made science a worthy activity.
Corporations had long existed, but they were not for profit, they were like today’s ngos, nominally private instruments of the crown. And for profit enterprises had long existed as an accounting fiction imagined into reality, but valorizing the for-profit corporation required a faith that made it right.
You need to dig. I suspect it is there, just unthinkable and disturbing. As I said, priests always write stuff down.
No one today likes to notice the dirt that Henry the Eighth dug up on the monastics, and if it is in front of them, they fail to comprehend it. The data is there, but people avert their eyes. I suspect you are averting your eyes.
This is not an attack on your faith. We have big problems also. You have bigger problems, and you need to address them. If I address them, you will naturally be disinclined to listen to a Christian telling you what is wrong with non Christians. You notice Brahmins holiness spiraling ritual cleanliness without regard to actual cleanliness. There are bigger things you need to notice.
Back when the West was hitting its peak of capacity as knowledge increased and thinkability decreased – around 1880 – it investigated the early Sanskrit texts in some detail and tried to reconstruct the Indian religion.
The works of Paul Deussen are excellent and available on archive.org
The British also reconstructed the Code of Manu and actually used it as law in India.
Code of Manu, written down one millenium after the Aryans conquered, based on verse that is centuries older, how much older no one really knows. Maybe the original Aryan invaders instituting the social order of conquest immediately after conquest, maybe seven centuries later.
Full of good stuff about women and the female role.
And, like the Book of Solomon, notices that women are not sexless angels, and that their volcanic urges cause problems that have to be controlled.
If the British can legislate the code of Manu, those parts that the British considered the proper magistry of the legislator, could today’s Hindus?
The interesting thing is that the British did not base legislation for Hindus on then current Hinduism, indicating that they perceived it, as I perceive it, as a degeneration from the original Aryan faith.
Manusmriti is the Hindu red pill on women test. Sadly like most “christians†most “hindus†are blue pilled and even pretending to understand Manu is crime-think.
Look at how wikipedia has obfuscated Manusmriti. Hilarious.
Manusmriti is the Hindu red pill on women test. Sadly like most “christians†most “hindus†are blue pilled and even pretending to understand Manu is crime-think.
Look at how wikipedia has obfuscated Manusmriti. Hilarious.
ManuSmriti was still used in the 1700s you filthy wretch.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/954222409899204609/1026386546481434674/IMG_20170715_171927.jpg
Stop trying to dodge out of cow slaughter – we’re not going to budge.
You have no understanding of collective sovereignty or protection – that’s why your wealth, women, and wares are plunder for the globe.
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Trans-Sikhs are the literal worst
“The works of Paul Deussen are excellent and available on archive.org”
I see they have 140+ results, and I’m a bit of a historian and therefore curious. Any titles you might suggest I keep a lookout for?
Priests are always writing stuff down. This is true. However, there is a difference in the case of Hinduism and Christianity.
Let’s take the stuff the Christian priests wrote down when things were working in Christendom
1. It is relatively recent, say the time of Charles in the 1600s.
2. The language in which they were written down is not archaic and the meanings of words have not undergone a whole lot of change, the script used then almost the same as the one used now. So less scope for misunderstanding.
3. They were written down post the invention of the printing press. So lots of copies.
4. Those original books and their faithful copies still exist.
Not too many of these conditions are true in the case of the Hindu scriptures. They were written down a long time ago, before the printing press, written on palm leaves (not a whole lot of copies), in an archaic language no longer spoken, words whose meanings have undergone change multiple times, in a script no longer used and a whole lot of them lost for ever due to the mass burning of the books in the great libraries of the great universities of Takshashila (Taxila) and Nalanda.
So I’m not entirely unsympathetic to Aryaman’s view that the written record of what used to work in Hindu-ism at the time when they led in Math, Science and Technology may well be irretrievably lost. I hope it is not all lost, but hope is not a strategy.
As regards what you may read from old Books written by Europeans, these certainly have some merit, but there is always the question of the frame of interpretation that the translator is using. Is he trying to fit Hindu scripture into a Christian frame, a progressive frame, a Victorian frame? How is he approaching the subject of his study? How many Europeans have translated the same scripture? Where do the translations differ? Too many questions.
It is not as easy as a few hours or a few days searching on Archive.org. This is something that will need state support. Or a very wealthy, smart, Aristocratic man with time on his hands who feels an urge to do something for his co-religionists on the intellectual sphere. We can hope
The Germans had the clearest vision of reconstructing Classical Hinduism as a stand-in for the religion Aryan Germans would have had if not for the imposition of Christianity and other Jewish-derived theology. Arguably they tried to make it compatible with Kant, but probably they were genuinely surprised to find that it already was.
What are the bigger things I need to notice? I notice a lot. I am not naturally disinclined to listening to something by virtue of the fact it is a Christian saying it. When I tell Christians what their religion says about something they are not offended or on guard because my line is not “Hail fellow Christian: here is why Jesus wants you to let refugees take over your land, and endorse reparations for people who want to kill you.” My line is that “quiet charity to men of goodwill in need is virtuous, ostentatious suggestion that others ought to perform virtuous acts publicly is not, nowhere did Jesus take from Peter to give Paul, takes for granted that in toil there is profit, and indicates he is rewarded who puts his masters’ endowment to good use and he is scolded who drowned in envy wastes his masters’ endowment.”
Of course, Jesus says a whole bunch of other stuff and a lot of it dangerously close to contradicting what I just said. Whether or not it is hard for a rich man to enter heaven than a camel to pass through the eye of a needle I don’t know, but anyone making a big deal about this is likely up to no good. The resolution, probably, is that when the rich man asked Jesus what he should do, Jesus replied he should not murder, lie, or steal — and do a whole bunch of other reasonable things. Only when the man professes that he has already done it all, professes in front of a crowd that he is seeking greater perfection still, does Jesus command him to give up his possessions. The man’s sorrow at the command implying that he is not holy but merely wanted to perform holy acts; the predicate to Jesus’ response, “if thou wilt be perfect” almost sarcastically implying its own contradiction since you cannot be perfect. Probably it is also a hint that a man ought to relinquish his property and estate to the command of his heirs and not before he is too old.
Regarding the unthinkable and disturbing, and without necessarily endorsing the movement more generally, consider some of what Prabhupada (of ISKCON) said over the years, but not too long ago.
(He is wrong about this, for a great many reasons the exact picture he has in mind is a little disturbing: because it would altogether be better for everyone if women did not become widows at 18).
This is social Tech. Anything on how to create a society that will conquer the stars? Anything on what made India the forefront on tech and math in the old times? It seems when Marco Polo was at the Kakatiya kingdom, they were not very far from mass production and standardisation. Anything on that? Of course within a couple generations that kingdom would be destroyed by Muslim invasions
Maybe Marco has something to say about that
I just had a unpleasant realization that I think ties in with Jim’s theory that the GAE will try to create a leftist nationalist group because tranny jannies do not fight. It will be Patriot Front. Patriot Front is the GAE Azov Battalion. They are out doing disaster relief in Florida right now and are not being doxxed, which means that someone is protecting them.
They’ve been running the Nazi play book a lot the last couple few years. They’ve been grooming PF for a false flag terror complain for a while now but they could switch things up and use them at their enforcers. Watching congress honor Azov fags the other day was disturbing and made me wonder if that’s the direction they’ve decided to go.
Campaign*
Yup. Overnight the current memes will disappear and old patriotic memes will reappear. Not only will the red tribe continue to think they are the good guys, they will think things are finally changing and getting better. They will finally be winning.
The red tribe […] will think things are finally getting better
This is my prediction as well. Some RINO will play the role of Stalin and give a “dizzy with success” speech. The GAE can roll back wokeness a little just as the Soviets rolled back collectivization, to give them some time to consolidate.
“The GAE can roll back wokeness a little”
Maybe, but I think it unlikely: the holiness spiral has taken on a life of its own. Leftists always call up demons they can’t control; it’s one of their patterns.
Some speculation… leftism is fear driven to a large extent. So the powers that be, teetering back a little too far in their chair will reach out and grab something (red tribe) to stabilize them when their fear turns into terror.
You can see this same pattern in individual relationships every day, most often with women the way they manipulate the bad boy and the nice guy. It very much resembles how the elites play the inner and the outer party. The inner and the outer party from a distance often play with and against each other in a dysfunctional co-dependent manner. The inner party being the victimizer and the outer party being the enabler.
The holiness spiral will not so much be halted, but the elites sensing immediate and impending doom can reach out to the red tribe for stability, as a cry for help. The red tribe, forever the nice guy enabler looking for purpose and validation will spring into action, never considering that the will be immediately discarded after their purpose has been served, the same way it has every other time.
This is the “mob theocracy” model and is what I’m running with now too. Most of the time.
Even Pol Pot had to live in relative hiding during the height of “his” reign.
I felt more comfortable believing in the World Economic Satanic Trilateral Reptilian Commission model too, but now I just can’t manage it anymore.
Russia should do an above ground nuclear test on livestream.
Then tell the United States government to do a similar test on livestream.
Let’s see if Shaniqua has been doing her “maintenance.â€
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/nuclear-weapons-convoy-sparks-fears-putin-could-be-preparing-test-to-send-e2-80-98signal-to-the-west-e2-80-99/ar-AA12yGvU
If so, then Putin’s decided to skip the escalation game and go right to the penultimate step. I hope that’s enough to stop this madness.
Yes. We’ll settle this with a nuclear dance-off.
In terms of the RF v. the GAE, I agree that Putin could gain a ton of status and momentum by demonstrating the incompetence and incapacity rife in the forces of the Empire of Lies. As it pertains to the not-war in Ukraine, I think moving to nuclear now would be a massive signal of weakness.
Let’s dispense with the MSM bullshit and normie perspective. The UKR is in an existential fight for its life, and it would have collapsed without massive foreign support. Zelensky is in so deep that, if the RF pulled out tomorrow and handed the 4 breakaways to Kiev, the country is still on the fast track to non-existence. Russia has only really lost in terms of its status as the big scary bogeyman of the East. Their casualties are miniscule, their weapons systems are excellent (both sides are relying on them), their military is fully intact (the lion’s share of the fighting is being done by Wagner, Volunteers, and the Militias), and they have been forcibly spared from being trapped in the web of GAE NGOs, charities, and woke corporations. The RF is nowhere near the place wherein its only option is to escalate to nuclear devices. For Manwe’s sake, they aren’t even technically “at war” with Ukraine, as neither side has declared war.
If Putin uses a nuclear device in or near Ukraine, the GAE has the Cassus Belli they have been earnestly seeking since February 2022 to initiate an unholy crusade against the last bastion of free whites (and friends lol, suck it Basil you relentless faggot). Russia’s original position was that the local issue of Ukraine was the pathway *towards* an existential crisis for the motherland. NATO taking over the Balts did not end the Russian Federation. Ukraine was declared a red line, and when their entreaties for dialogue were rebuffed, they escalated to the SMO. Now they are escalating to a counter terror operation. If the GAE war faction is desperately seeking escalation to nuclear, that should be the absolute last thing the RF leadership does. OpEds and tweets are no good reason to let the GAE call the tune. While the US can be brought to its knees by a handful of trannies, suicides, and 5000 war dead over 20 years, I don’t think the same can be said for Russia. They lost far more in Chechnya. Yes, their tactics need refinement, but are we really suggesting that the cause in Ukraine is so lost that the only viable solution is to nuke the Hohol trannies? Is that really the only way the motherfucking Russian Federation can deal with a coalition of the wanton fighting with HIMRS and Hiluxes?
Putin probably thinks the same thing Jim does- NATO forces are participating in UKR operations. Respond to military relevant escalation with military relevant escalation- send more and they get the bomb.
@Kunning Druegger
A Russian nuclear test doesn’t need to be “in Ukraine” or “near Ukraine,” dummy. It’s a test. The US nuclear test can happen on a test site in Nevada.
Now if the US is unable to test its nuke on livestream, its power is over.
I will make my position more clear.
The nuclear test concept is a good one; it would force the GAE to display its incompetence.
A nuclear device detonation that is geographically connected to Ukraine, or strategically linked *closely* to the SMO/CTO is a bad one. It says we are out of options, our military is on the ropes, and we feel threatened. That’s why I wrote it the way I did.
> Now if the US is unable to test its nuke on livestream, its power is over.
You said the same thing about the fall of Kabul. I am willing to say you may be right in the broad expanse of history, as in, future historians will use the event as a marker for the downfall of US military hegemony. In the immediate term, you were wrong. I base this on the fact that Europe continues to track blindly with the State Department, and the Kremlin and Beijing continue to translate all official documents, speeches, and releases into English. The world continues to act as if the US military is dominant, even if it is no longer the case.
The nuclear test concept would work, but I don’t think it will happen right away. There are other ways to achieve the same outcome. Best Korea just launched a “test” over Hokkaido, and SKorea and the US responded by sending 4 “test” missiles into the ocean. One of the SKorea shots failed and crashed. This is an interesting development. The Best Korea shot was the furthest they’ve ever flown, and it has shocked the GAE military establishment deeply, which is why they responded in kind. If the GAE were fully confident in themselves, they would have had the sheboon press secretary mention it in passing the next day with some dismissive remark. Instead, they responded in kind. When 1 of the 4 failed, then it started to go towards the memory hole.
The Korea missile incident proves your hypothesis, Starman. Further, it demonstrates that you are not just tossing out a random idea, you are thinking on a wavelength that is similar to the most ardent adversaries of the GAE.
Additionally, Iran’s drones are making a big impact (lol) in the Ukraine. They are performing well, and many second and third rate powers are taking note. Jim asserts that Turkey is on the forefront of that sector, but that never sat well with me, as I have come to believe the Turkroach is long on talk and short on walk in most cases. Ngorno-Karbkh is a point in their favor, but beating up on Armenia is not some monumental task.
There are a significant number of categories wherein the GAE can be showed to be incapable and far below expectation. Missiles, maritime maneuver, drone tech, force readiness, and disposition and morale of units spring to mind easily, but I bet there’s more.
You are a warrior. I am a priest. We will never see eye to eye, but I think demonstrating courtesy and supporting each other is a good act to follow, even if it is only an act. Aidan made an interesting observation:
> We should act like a nascent elite here.
I agree with him. It may feel hyperbolic or LARPy, but it very well could be something that can be ported elsewhere. There was a trend on Dissident Twitter where the group leaders, the guys with larger followings, refer to their followers as “Kings.” Initially, I thought it was a funny poke at the kangz bullshit jizzed out by Negro Twatter. But I noticed that over time, it seemed to elevate the discussion and set a very positive tone, a stance that they, and by extension we, are better than our opposition.
@Kunning Druegger
The fall of Kabul meant the beginning of the fall of the Globalist American Empire, exposing its weakness, just like previous empires before it. I didn’t say it was the total end of GAE, retard.
Say, what would you think China and Russia would act after they see a few GAE nuclear tests fail on livestream?
I think they would push up the timeline they initiated when America elected a “black” president, the same way they pushed it up when it looked like a woman was going to be the follow on act. They amended the timeline when Trump came in, though in different ways as his policies were varied regarding each, and then resumed with the rise of Biden, accelerating it with each successive “master stroke” the dotard performed.
I think your instincts are that of an officer, and your actions are that of an enlisted. I see nothing wrong with this. I think you are too hasty, but I am a known nervous nellie, so you may be right that the Showdown would be the next best step. I think the time is not yet ripe; I think the GAE military needs a longer string of smaller failures before the Big One.
As I said before, you are a warrior. You’ll have to answer to God for carrying a sword for the Sodomite Empire (I’m sure he has some kind of minority/camp follower allowance lol), but a warrior you remain. As such, you have a constrained perspective, seeing only tactical. I am a priest, so I am constrained by the socio-strategic (though I play at armchair generalship, with all of the expected embarrassing moments lol). We are never going to see the same thing the same way. Your tendency to lash out is a failing of your caste; you need the guidance of a priest, a better priest than I, to smack you on the snout and tell you not to nip at your pack mates.
You seem like a blockhead to me, which is precisely what a self-centered, narrow minded priest would say, which is why I require a warrior, a better warrior than you, to box my ears and tell me to leave the guard dog alone if I don’t want to get bit.
Me use big funny word, take time long say small thing. You no like. You not stop me. Find sand, then punch.
Silliness aside, I genuinely think your Nuclear Test-off would be a masterstroke. I just don’t think we’re there yet.
Forgot to include:
https://archive.ph/zwRnP
“South Korea, U.S. conduct missile drill in response to North Korea missile test”
What Jim fails to understand – is some of us may not have an inferiority complex. We may understand that our religion’s are fine – GAE is the problem.
The solution to GAE – directly, is white genocide.
Beyond memes, we don’t need to subject ourselves to critique by a Christian ‘priest’. Cow slaughter is banned by the Gurus, we don’t care about ancient interpretations. Furthermore, we also know we hold MORE power than you in your own homelands.
Like you said – it doesn’t matter that Hindus destroyed themselves in civil wars before Christians conquered. Likewise, it doesn’t matter that Whites had 2 world wars and 3 centuries of Jewish infestation. Victory is Victory,
Dharmo Rakshati Rakshitah. Jai Sri Krishna Jai Sri Ram HAR HAR MAHADEV
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You are like a small yipping dog. No one here takes you as anything but a fool, your boasts are the obnoxious bark of a neutered chihuahua. Go run and hide inside your mother’s purse before someone steps on you.
You’re literally white in a world where even the Niggers laugh.
We seat white converts beside untouchables & away from those of the 4 Castes.
That is the primordial reality of the Khalsa – ChakraVartain. Jim is a fake priest,
Gather round him – every second you spend here, non-whites invade your land.
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I respect Modi for one reason only: the aged manlet refuses to wear a tie. You post quite a lot, which probably means you are sitting at a computer for extended periods. That computer, the desk it sits on, the people you serve, the products you interact with, the energy underpinning the whole web, all of this flows from and back to the West.
This is not good or healthy. We have been terrible masters to you browns, and I genuinely regret every ounce of silly, stupid “reason” our elites shit all over you guys. You were happy, trapped in your flood plains, trading shiny rocks, poking each other with ancient metal you could no longer forge. You were satisfied, believing your world was The World. You actually found brown women attractive (this is our greatest crime: we showed you white women, and you will never recover from this, because you see now what ugliness passes for beauty in the jungle, and your females will be forever encumbered by whitening creams, tangle straighteners, and every other manner of “pale-ification”).
You guys were fine the way you were, and we decided to bring the “light” of western civilization to you. This was wrong, cruel, and unfair, to you guys (because you were happy in the dirt), and to us (because we aren’t allowed to manage the herd of browns as a good overlord should). A note on that last point, and stay with me, this will require you attempting to take up the White Gaze:
One of the most powerful tactics Cathedralites use to ensnare young whites in school with the guilt & shame perspective is pointing out how old the Other Societies are, how vast their history is, how many people of which they are composed. They do this to make Occidental (which means white, as everyone in their heart knows) youth feel unworthy of overlordship, unworthy of their inheritance. It worked very well on any generation raised to respect old things and rare things. I definitely fell for it, and many, many of my cohort still labor under this delusion. It took me a long time to realize the lie underneath it all: either whites are magic, actually a master race and able to do and create things no other races can, or the rest of the races are just lazy and naturally limited. You so-called great civilizations had millennia to figure out wheels, boats, chemistry, astronomy, maths, and the gift of constrained fire, all of the constituent parts of high-powered societies with the stars as their birthright. And to your collective credit, you did stumble into many of these things. But like children raised in the shadow of a volcano, you considered the secret powers spewed from the earth as play things, baubles for your pleasure, and nothing more. You, the Rivers people, the Middle Kingdom, the Stone dwellers of the Andes, the whole lot of you had every opportunity to give up your clay gods, forge empires, and sail outward. But you didn’t. We all like to point and laugh at the African’s failure to discover boats, wheels, and reading (but the drums are so quaint!), but every brown, black, and yellow of substance in this world wears a necktie and coat in the Western style, like children dressing in their parents clothes.
I don’t begrudge you your angst. You’ve been poisoned by mental frameworks your meat hardware can’t run properly, like a massive digital signal being displayed on a cathode ray tube monitor. I know it is my ancestor’s fault. They saw the shapes of your hands and hearts and esteemed you equal, then imbued you with the blessings and curses of highly organized, monotheistic society, and expected you to grow properly. Only the worst tropical plants can survive in temperate climates, the hardiest and vilest weeds. The jungle fruits and flowers are constrained to where they belong, and sometimes the greenhouse. You are Kudzu, Sher Singh. I will never blame Kudzu for doing what it does naturally. But you also can’t pretend that you are a crop or flower, just because you’ve overwhelmed the natives in an unnatural range to which you were transported by shortsighted men who esteemed you as so much more than what you actually were.
That’ll leave a mark/dot.
Your are neither Sikh nor Hindu. You are a shill who is here to attempt to get the Christians here to start fighting with Hindus (and Sikhs). You attempt to push the payload that Hindus and Sikhs with seek to genocide all Christians, and that nothing can stop that.
You are far more likely to be a muslim, who is afraid that Old type Christians and Old type Hindus might form an alliance on this blog space. If that happens, they will likely both agree that since muslims are not agreement capable, that killing all muslims is in order.
Maybe you a nigger that know that in a world of natural order, you’ll be at the bottom of the peaking order. Maybe you are a shill that works for and supports the GAE, which is why you make sure to screech about “how much” you “hate” the GAE.
That said, you seem to only be touching and talking about parts of Sikhism and Hinduism that our gracious lords from the GAE (peace be upon them) would not disapprove of. if you want to prove you are a Sikh/Hindu, share with us things in Sikhism/Hinduism, that you believe in, that the GAE would disapprove of someone saying or thinking. In short, commit a thought-crime that involves Sikhism or Hinduism.
Of course I already know that you won’t commit any thought crimes against you masters, you lying piece of shill.
I think he really is a Sikh, based on how he responded to some of my accusations. He knows that the Cathedral has his people by the balls, and that he does not have the balls to challenge them directly. He brings up an inferiority complex because it struck home. Just like how he went off when I called him a fake warrior. He knows, at some level, that he is a bad, unworthy Sikh, because he has a cowards craven heart. Instead of fighting his real enemy, who will crush him if given a chance, he comes here to show how big and tough he is. All his self-loathing at his failure to uphold his own values gets thrown at us.
He is the Sikh version of the guys who blame the Jews for everything, because taking responsibility for the failures of European civilization is too painful. He is pushing white genocide because then he can blame all his problems on us instead of dealing with the very real problems his people have.
I rather doubt it. Having pride in your patrimony precludes a wrathful inferiority complex and declaring holy war on strangers is just silly. Normal people do not do that.
He does not have pride in his patrimony, because his patrimony is resistance and war and he is doing neither. His patrimony stands in judgement of him, and he can feel their disappointment and disapproval. Declaring a holy war he will never have to fight is his coward’s way of trying to be worthy, but it is not working. He could put this energy in opposing GAE influence over India, but that would be too dangerous. So here he sits and rages, full of sound and fury.
I do not see him spreading any discord between us. I am not going to fight with you over some empty bravado from someone who is clearly less intelligent than you and outside your norms. For all his insults and blasphemy, I do not assign blame to Hinduism. That is all on him.
Also, whether we come to an eventual accord or not, I fully intend on putting an end to the Mohammed Problem. That is something that needs to happen regardless. Those who will convert will be spared, and those who do not will be exterminated. The Peace of Westphalia cannot coexist with Islam.
All of our criticism of Hinduism here, ultimately, is descriptive, perhaps even prescriptive in certain respects, but not instructive. You do not need to make any of the adaptations that Jim and the rest of us point out, but there is as much risk in not changing enough as in changing too much. If you do not solve the problems that led to India being a conquered, fractured backwater, then those problems will come back with a vengeance when Europeans pull back to start solving our own problems.
It is going to take time to sort out America and Europe and start purging our xenos. If you have not solved your problems by the time we are ready to start expanding again, then you will be faced with another Aryan invasion. This time, however, there will not be any ancestral gods with which to merge, and the state church is going to have a pretty harsh view of opposing religions.
This is not a threat, it is just a fact of nature. The same forces that pushed Aryas’ sons to expand will push mine, too. A united rival civilization is liable to survive, but a divided one will fall the same way the Indus Valley civilization did. You have to fix it, either with our solutions or with others you find or invent. If you do not, then the cold, uncaring nature of the world will doom you.
[*censored*]
https://hindupost.in/news/punjab-govt-to-launch-inquiry-into-anti-national-activities-of-waris-punjab-de-radical-outfit/
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab/remain-vigilant-mha-to-punjab-government-on-amritpal-issue-437862
Let me show what place you hold in the world:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2011/apr/04/jesus-gay-man-codices
The most ancient account of Christianity is that Mary is a whore.
Had we taken your lands – you’d be Dhimmis. Now your descendants are blacks transsexuals. :shrug:
Out of politeness & concern for our own dignity – we don’t laugh too hard.
Don’t ever mistake the Sun’s merciful rays as anything but fire.
Khalsa is SuryaVansh. https://twitter.com/akali_berserker/status/1535513923075485704
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https://twitter.com/akali_berserker/status/1534828138982567936
https://www.manglacharan.com/post/call-to-arms-by-guru-gobind-singh-ji
https://www.manglacharan.com/post/guru-gobind-singh-ji-s-firearm
https://www.manglacharan.com/post/guru-gobind-singh-the-glory-of-all-hindustan
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DURKA DURKA SIKHI JIHAD
https://www.deccanherald.com/content/360709/gang-rape-acquittal-verdict-rocks.html
Sweden is presently in deep moral throes after the Svea Hovsrätt, the Swedish Court of Appeal, acquitted six teenagers who had been earlier convicted in a lower court for abducting and gang-raping a 15-year old Swedish girl.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/dov9pthbu7cviuf/Aryan_Invasion_Theory_as_German_Cuck_F%2At%2Ash.pdf/file
Anyway, here are my thoughts on the Aryan Invasion theory (as German Cuck Fetish)
The logical conclusion of us being the last remaining Aryan Pagans is your women belong to us.
We can become white in a generation, you can neither restore your foreskin nor your pedigree – American.
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/amerimutt-le-56-face
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“The logical conclusion of us being the last remaining Aryan Pagans is your women belong to us”
Good point. Haplotype r1a. You have better chances than the Christians, but not as good as the Muslims.
You just looking for some attention? Daddy issues? Forgive your father, he was tested and he failed.
*should have been nested under the first comment
As a first instinct, I wanted to post that we would put all of your “singh†to the sword, grind the punjab into dust with a volley of thermonuclear artillery thicker than the rains, and press your “kaur†into service as cattle in human dairy farms after looting what paltry little you have to steal, but I am a Christian, and God commands me to attempt to make peace before employing such measures, and I suspect your leaders will crap their ceremonial panties and make peace if even a whiff of that eventuality reaches their noses.
https://youtu.be/7YyBtMxZgQs
It is not terribly helpful to threaten massive retaliation over one retard. What would be the point? It enhances his importance, that his pathetic rants could justify such a response. It unfairly lumps Hindu reaction in with him, too. Yes, we can scour the earth, and take everything he has. Given that, is everything he has even worth the effort and the implied insult to our Hindu colleagues? For one transwarrior that can do nothing but shout and boast of hollow achievements and empty threats? What better way to show our superiority than to ignore his threats, because even if he had the capacity to try to follow through on them, then we can turn a baleful eye to him and scour him from existence?
I share Aidan’s sentiment, though not in some global sense (however justified it may be – there is never 1 roach or 1 rat; if you see one, assume at least 10 others nearby), rather look at what his campaign over the space of a week has done. The Dharmabros have pointed out, honestly and accurately, that they get attacked by shills when they post with any kind of elevated frequency. This observation was accepted and internalized by the Occidental faction here, and conduct was changed. The resentment here, for me, is that the transwarrior continues to post and it is Occidentals combatting him. This isn’t our mess to clean up, it is for the Dharmabros to deal with. Xir belongs to them, so they should take the necessary steps. It is beginning to feel like they either tacitly agree with him, or are indifferent. Yes, they have responded in rebuttal, but they must continue to do so, on every single post. Annoying, but there you are. We do the same for them whenever someone improperly invokes the streetshit meme. We police our own. Are they not to be held to the same standard?
Whatever the case, Sher Suck provides nothing of value. His curry flavored shit is no different from normie twitter. He should be hellbanned for noise generation alone. He has derailed this post for days now.
I think he is a clown and a menace but I’m not the proprietor here. Whatever I say would be perfunctory, just further littering the comments. His goal is to stir things up and make things illegible, not persuade. And the more that is said about him, more that his words are agonized over, the more he gets of what he wanted.
Fair point, but “masking” is an effective tactic used by many sides. It is impossible to make a comment about jews on the public internet without someone showing up to remind everyone of the 6 gorrillian, or the only democracy in the middle east, or any other baseless meme. Jim has said this is a tactic to create a false perception of the weight of a given set of opinions. I agree, but it is also a signal to both allies and adversaries: “we see what’s going on.” And it works. That’s what I was trying to relate, and I didn’t succeed.
Aidan’s refinement is dead on as well. There should be consequences for saying such things, and it is good and proper to be the consequences we wish to see.
It is difficult for me to follow each and every conversation here. I post here less frequently that I did.
Besides it is really up to Jim to censor disruptive commenters as he sees fit.
if you read past comments in response to Her Singh, I’ve already told him not to exaggerate and stated that, that kind of behaviour in an India ruled by a Dharmic-Sikh monarch will just get him an interview with the chief of internal security over Tea. I got called cucks for my efforts both on this blog and on DRs (though that was over the Dalit question). Ultimately it’s up to Jim to censor him.
In general, all Dharmics in India have reverence for the Sikh Gurus and gratitude towards the ancestors of modern day Sikhs for all the sacrifices they have made in fighting Muslims. So I can’t get myself to insult a Sikh even in retaliation even if one of them insults me calling me a cuck. Historical baggage which you do not share, obviously. All I can do is politely ask him to not pick fights, not insult Christians and Christianity on this blog and make his point politely.
Not sure this guy is a Sikh though, I myself tend to have a positive view of Sikhs in general but this guy crashed the party here so he could grab the mike call everyone at the party gay and then shit on the floor…
He should be treated like a mad dog.
There are some “tells” in his ranting that lead me to suspect that he is not a Sikh at all, but something else entirely.
Whatever he is, he takes his warrior status as paramount. I attacked him from several directions and it was not until I called him a fake warrior that he really reacted. That means that being a warrior is core to his identity. There are not that many groups where that is so, and he does not sound like a brovet imitating a Sikh. I think he is genuine, even if he is a bad representation of an otherwise decent people.
I don’t care a whit about the empty threats and insecure posturing, but my ancestors would have butchered him for calling God a fag, and without that attitude, we will never get anywhere. In real life, if an insignificant subhuman can call God a fag and get away with it, it raises his status. We should act like a nascent elite here. If a diplomat of the Punjab called Christ a bugger, citing our internal enemies to do it no less, it would be right and proper to threaten him with nuclear hellfire and the rape and enslavement of his women.
Singh is just a nastier and dumber version of Suones, an even more filthy street-shitter. However, at least Suones would write quality posts on occasion.
I sincerely hope Jim is just busy and cannot moderate the comments section at this moment, but this is not acceptable. He needs to be put in the gutter with Miserius.
Threatening him with nuclear hellfire, however, is not the right approach. Capturing him and converting his extended family to Christianity, forcing him to watch them eat big juicy steaks in the process, is the best response. God gave us the cow to be eaten, and him watching his kids eating a delicious burger after saying the Lord’s prayer will torment him far more than killing him in an instant and painless nuclear hellfire.
I agree with the papist about this. Heresy can be punished with banishment, but blasphemy deserves death.
And if he were a diplomat we would burn him at the stake, then send his head back to the Punjab with a reminder that the West will burn them all like him if they want a fight. But he is not a diplomat, he is just a troll. He came to sow discord, so let us not make his job easier.
Sher is taking all the focus away from immediate pressing concerns and how to deal with our near and present enemies. And he is raising topics that are bound to create disruption on an orthodox Christian forum.
I am as helpless in channelizing the debate as any of you.
It really is up to jim to take a call on moderation.
Fucking permaban him already. Every day i check the comments and see the clownshow continue i age a month. I will be in a sundown home within the year.
When suones bashes christianity, he has something to say, he is communicative, and once in a while it is valid too. Sher singh is just shitting himself while masturbating in public, it is annoying and gross and adds nothing of value.
https://twitter.com/FistedFoucault/status/1577310375086903296
Concerning.
Baghdad Bob tier self delusion.
Which no one is buying. Top reply is, “How can I short this tweet?” Top kek.
Here’s a way more concerning, and fascinating, tweet: https://twitter.com/fearthefloof/status/1577630330625921025
Taken down. These guys are fast.
I am no hacker, but you would not believe how challenging it was to craft this:
https://archive.ph/MKOCi
Very curious. Jim, be on guard, and if this link brings you heat, I sincerely apologize.
This site is more heat resistant than most. The only reason I censor feds promoting violence and terrorism is that the violence and terrorism that they propose is a really bad idea and exactly what they want us to do.
But Saint Anders Behring Breivik engaged in something that, though superficially similar, was fundamentally different from what the feds are trying to get us to do.
Not that I would suggest similar measures against those listed, or the frequent gatherings of those similar to those listed.
The time for information epoch warfare is not yet.
That tweet lasted 4 hours. It is now completely sanitized. The cunt’s uncle runs the Wayback Machine. That fact alone clarifies so many open ended questions I had for the last 3 years.
Norther VA
NYC
Los Angeles
3 nukes, and the US gets a clean restart. Alternatively, they could just bomb Burning Man lol.
Need at least 800 nukes followed by ground support to kill the survivors.
None of the elites mentioned in the Twitter thread live in the major cities, and since Covid most almost never commute to the cities for work. Killing them means targeting their neighborhoods one by one, wiping each target one by one. Also we must take into consideration forests, hills, and valleys.
I live among them, so of course I know which neighborhoods to strike and which to avoid. Nuking Manhattan would kill quite a few of the enemy and many proles, but strategic nuclear destruction of elite neighborhoods will be necessary to wipe out the enemy completely.
If nuclear war happens, and Putin decides to target the American elite rather than population centers, I will likely end up dead. If Putin is a moron and goes for civilian casualties over strategic destruction, then I will most likely survive, but then so too will our enemy.
@Neofugue
Why not pray for an Angel of Death like in the Book of Exodus?
Unlike Missiles. Angels are active agents that are capable of killing everyone not possessing the seal of God.
Disagree. I actually built a map, but obviously I didn’t save it and would not share it even if I did. There is Dumb Decapitation (take out the figure heads and symbolic leadership edifice and leave the distributed bureaucracy in place) and Smart Decapitation ( leave the figureheads and edifice in place and take out the control nodes of the distributed bureaucracy and their main info hubs). The first one would massively empower the clerical oligarchy and free them from the pretense of normalcy. The second one would put the figureheads in actual power, which would quickly lead to regional elite revolt.
Neither method would require the cold war style carpet bombings. The ethos behind that method was the idea that, shorn of their leadership, the Americans or Russians would continue to fight to the last man. Maybe this would be the case for Russians, though I doubt it as the Good Times have been so widespread I think there are mostly weak men everywhere, but it is decidedly not the case in America. Indeed, this may tempt the Russians into doing a Dumb Decapitation as a first strike, assuming that the populace would rise up in opposition to the status quo.
While the current elite seems unified behind the Woke faction, I very much doubt they are all true believers. You assert that you are close to them, so you would have a better perspective, but I just don’t see the current crop of elites suddenly becoming impassioned and loyal and steadfast overnight. I think they would fight harder for a vestige of normalcy than for the nation or even the idea of a nation.
We need our own uncompromised network capable of organizing only nonviolent acts of internet harmony and record keeping. I disagree with Jim, information epoch war began when ISIS recruited volunteers from facebook. It only accelerates from here.
I agree with both of your assertions.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/putin-assassination-russia-ukraine-bolton-b2200494.html
John Bolton states that US maximum escalation position is to assassinate Putin, cites Soleimani.
Looks like USG is thinking like Jim. Not convinced the US can assassinate Putin though.
Bolton is not talking about IEW, he is sputtering about Boomer fantasies of American technological hyper-dominance. Soleimani was pulled off in a country with massive amounts of assets and operators operating under an ISR net that’s been in place for over a decade. To assassinate Putin would be a wholly different operation, as in a lone wolf suicide assassin, a deep cover sleeper, or an ICBM.
I’m not claiming special knowledge or expertise, but I just don’t see how they could repeat the operation. It would be the same level of lunacy if Bolton had said we could beat Russia in a conventional war and referenced Guadalcanal. It’s an Apples to Aardvarks comparison.
Killing Putin would result in a hardliner being installed and nuclear weapons used in retaliation. The retaliation would be massive.
What Bolton is saying is that the US will not try to assassinate “legitimate” government officials, because US officials do not themselves want to be targets of such assassination attempts.
He is saying that Putin’s use of nuclear weapons would make him an “illegitimate” official, and therefore a possible target for assassination.
That is probably what Bolton and the USG have in mind, but once the escalation begins, is unlikely to be stopped by such niceties.
That’s so detached from reality in a drinking their own coolaid sort of way. If John Bolton is representative of the sort people running the US security state then nuclear war is going to happen.
Yesterday evening I stumbled on something that was new to me. It was in an area I had always dismissed as just wishful thinking. But now I’m curious if you guys already know about it, and if so, what you make of it.
1) The Pashtun claim to be one of the Lost Tribes of Israel, there is historical evidence for this claim, and it is accepted as plausible by both European and Jewish anthropologists.
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/society/1629633787-surprising-links-between-israel-and-afghanistan-s-pashtuns
https://www.jpost.com/opinion/the-afghan-pashtuns-and-the-missing-israelite-exiles-543181
OK, that’s neat. Except…
2) The Pashtun are genetically similar to Iranians, that is, Indo-Europeans, and speak an Indo-European derived language.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtuns#Genetics
The combination of these claims has left people puzzled. For instance, “Are the Pashtuns Aryans, or are they a lost tribe of Israel?” Either or.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1090835/pashtuns-aryans-or-the-lost-tribe-of-israel
The obvious but unthinkable conclusion is that they are a lost tribe of Israel, AND they are Aryan, BECAUSE the original tribes of Israel were Aryan. I know the Indo-European ancestry of the ancient Israelites has been asserted before (by Christian Identity, etc.) but I had always dismissed it. None of their sites had ever pointed out that the Pashtun as evidence for this.
I was so thrown off that I decided to look up exactly when the Assyrians scattered the tribes, and saw that it was allegedly 722 BC. But… that tracks with the first archeological evidence of the Celts: “The oldest archaeological evidence of the Celts comes from Hallstatt, Austria, near Salzburg. Excavated graves of chieftains there, dating from about 700 BCE, exhibit an Iron Age culture (one of the first in Europe).” (Encyclopedia Britannica)
That led me down the rabbit hole of investigating Celtic and Israeli ties, with links to the Tribe of Dan, Danes, Danube, Don, Macedonians, and more.
So… have I just made myself bonkers from a poison red pill, or is there something to the idea that the real Israelites were Indo-Europeans?
That’s a rabbit hole I’ve been aware of and never dove down myself. Some form of the argument might well be true, but I’d have to dig into too much in too many fields to have an informed opinion.
I do think there’s something to the theory of modern jews being descended in part from converted Khazars rather than being fully descendants of Biblical jews. What semitic ancestry they do have seems to be male mediated through Italy first before the rest of Europe, apparently merchants and slave traders taking local wives and concubines.
Meanwhile Christians and jews alike overstate the monolithic nature of 0 AD judaism. The Pharisees and Saducees mentioned in the New Testament were major factions, the Essenes were already going strong, Nazarenes were a distinct group among others. Judaism as we know it today is descended mainly from the Phariseeic tradition but was codified in its modern form centuries later, while Christianity itself, before it broke out to the gentiles, was more grounded in existing judaism than anyone now gives it credit for.
All of which is to say there’s definitely room for there to be more going on with the 12 tribes of Israel than just “today’s jews are the 12 tribes,” in fact there almost has to be more going on that that, I just don’t know exactly what.
The existing Jews claim to be descendants of Judah and Levi only, that is not controversial.
Biblical criticism has shown that the Judahites/Levites founded a new religion in the Hellenic age by writing Deuteronomy. This itself was not contemporary (Talmudic) Judaism which dates to Late Antiquity or the Early Medieval period.
Whether the non-Deuteronomic books and stories are older, very likely they are. The Hebrew of the oldest Old Testament books shows the signs of being the language of an already saturated urban, cosmopolitan culture. That itself may not have been the original language of some or all of these stories.
Ultimately yes, it is a poison pill. It is an attempt to induce non-Jews to accept the Judahite/Levite frame that they are the world’s greatest people and deserving of world domination, with the flattery that you too are part of the group (but not really!).
Egypt was an urban, cosmopolitan culture. Book of Ruth is not a story about an urban cosmopolitan culture.
The Hebrews gained literacy and became priests and bureaucrats in Egypt. Alone among the peoples that overran Bronze Age civilization, they had a literate priestly elite.
So we would expect the very oldest books to be written in the language of literate, urban, cosmopolitan people, assuming they started writing stuff down as soon as they became literate.
Take a look at the first three chapters of The Controversy of Zion, by Douglas Reed. He covers in detail the difference between the Judahites and Israelites.
thank you, I will!
https://twitter.com/nytimesworld/status/1577272592725147648
Pro-Azov Propaganda in the works, I expect feds posing as nazis or as others mentioned the ‘patriot front’ to encourage people to sign up for fed military operations. Unfortunate that there’s still a sane part of the USG that recognizes you need masculine nationalists to fight wars while still being insane enough to have every other part of the rot kept as it is.
I read it somewhere a while back, but haven’t seen it since, and I have stated it as well since then, but I think there’s a high degree of likelihood that there will be neo-nazi terrorist actions in Europe and the US spawned by the GAE operations in Ukraine. It could be angry Ukrainians biting the hand that feeds or antifa-style thralls or both, but there are just too many radicalized men and portable weapons in the wild for it to not happen somewhere.
Just the new Top Gun Maverick movie reveals that parts of Red Empire know what the heck is up. In the current year it’s practically Triumph of the Will. Unless you see it yourself you have no idea.
“Russian professors run wild, get on all fours and begin to give out arguments about the “slave mentality” of compatriots, their innate humility, as well as the need for collective guilt for all the crimes of the empire. Some even go so far as to talk about the genetic degradation of Russians. In general, the public with good faces and scientific degrees arranges such dehumanization that no Z-nick ever dreamed of today.
The author sees this as a rejection of ethical universalism and a return to tribal ethics, which decomposes the world into “peoples”, “nations” and “cultures” with a separate “mentality”. As an example, he cites Yugoslavia, where local professors also produced intellectual content on the topic “why it’s good and right to cut your neighbors.” However, this particular example does not converge. After all, the Yugoslav intelligentsia basically supported its own and dehumanized strangers (Serbs-Croats and vice versa), which can really be considered a manifestation of tribalism. But the Russian liberal intelligentsia is doing the opposite – it does not dehumanize its neighbors at all, but those who walk (or walked more recently) along the same streets with them. If the Russian liberal intelligentsia were similar to the Yugoslav one, then it would write treatises on how a Ukrainian differs from a person.
So, the described problem is not a consequence of a rollback to “tribal nationalism”. This is something the opposite – a consequence of our imperial cosmopolitanism and “internal colonization” practices, in which the intelligentsia is used to feeling like outsiders in pith helmets in their own country (with the resulting social racism). The problem is not a lack of moral universalism, but, on the contrary, its excess. The Russian liberal intellectual, in fact, simply has nothing but his moral universalism, which is why he grabs what seems to him to be universal justice (now Ukraine represents it) and begins to ardently support it, without any regard for honor, conscience, mercy and other trifles . Of course, a person who realizes his belonging to the universal good quickly ceases to be embarrassed by those last words with which he curses the evil “orcs”.
In this sense, the closest relative of the Russian liberal intelligentsia is not the Yugoslav professorship at all, but the American professorship. The same white liberal professors who periodically speak out about the need for “white genocide” are at war with white privileges and the like. They are just as crazy about moral universalism and convinced that they are on the side of the oppressed of the whole world. At the same time, they also experience alienation from their own people and are charged with social racism (against the “rednecks”, “trumpists”, etc.). Both American and Russian professors live in their own isolated little world. Only for one it is a closed world of campuses, for the other – living rooms within the Garden Ring.
Speaking even more broadly, it is not in vain that Aristotle divided the virtues into the virtues of character and the virtues of the mind. If the latter can be obtained in the process of learning, then the former can only be brought up in the course of practice. Only the combination of both gives “practical wisdom.” And today we see how the presence of universal humanitarian knowledge, devoid of the practice of moral life in the community, gives rise to cadavers.”
newsflash: professors are gay
I bet Kadyrov makes you spitting mad. It is good and natural for holy empires to have vassals. It is good and natural to wage war on deceivers and defilers. Putin is not perfect, and Russia is sick. You are the worst of the potted crabs, Basil. I’d feel sorry for you, except I don’t.
Who cares. Like an azov skinhead kissing Nancy pelosis rancid cooter in the ancient halls of cringe, you side with the greater evil in hopes that massa GAE throws you a tiny crumb of unprincipled exception for your petty nationalism.
Russia is Orthodoxy, without Orthodoxy Russia dies, with Orthodoxy Russia lives.
When a son of Rus loses his faith in Christ, he ceases to have connection with his history, his people, his country, and his purpose. Basil’s decadent pessimism and demonic despondency is indicative of this sickness, which is not limited to him but to “right wing†apostate Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians as a whole. You find it in the writings of the heretic Slavskiy or the shill Karlin.
The rootless and atomized apostate has nothing to latch onto, thus the azov nazi skinhead sides with the prog faggot on a fake nationalism based on a rube dialect.
Russia is and has always been an empire, with the Russian people having lordship over all the various peoples of the steppe. Basil, having rejected God, is rootless and atomized, which is why he and his ilk are on the side of the enemy.
Yes, Holy Roman Empire died because the Pope wanted Kingdoms, and Emperor and Kings would not wear it.
The faith is Europe, and Europe is the faith. Died of papal heresy.
Before the Faith we were primitive snowniggers.
With the Faith we could command the sun and soar above the skies.
After the Faith are only those people who are doomed to die.
“Before the Faith we were primitive snowniggers”
Are you including the Ancient Greco-Romans in this classification?
No, of course not. The Romans had advanced pretty far along and while they had not discovered science, they were getting enough Greek influence that had leftism not killed them, they might have. The Greeks had discovered science and had achieved truly great things that would not be matched for millennia, but were also killed by leftism. No, my ancestors are the various peoples of the British Isles and Scandanavia. They had achieved nearly nothing until the arrival of Roman Christians civilized them.
It is very hard for civilization to originate in two kinds of pla
It is very hard for civilization to arise in two sorts of places
1. Places where edible stuff grows all year round and you can just pluck food from the trees. This obviates the need for any sort of planning. Agriculture is not needed
2. Places where the terrain/weather is so harsh that nothing grows most of the time. All human energies are engaged in battling nature. Agriculture is all but impossible
It’s a matter of historical record that civilization almost always arises in the temperate zones where agriculture is both possible and needed. Thats the origin of the settled life, of communities, of cooperation, of planning, of property rights. Civilization in short. It is here that social as well as material tech develops. Indus Valley, Sumeria, Babylon, Egypt, Greece, Rome, China all happen within these narrow latitudinal zones
So, your ancestors being “snowniggers” as you affectionately call them might be more a function of their geography and climate than their religion.
Once the social tech moves outwards from the origin of civilization, then these areas too start civilizing developing their own social/material tech and maybe even becoming the vanguard of civilization.
Thus, once your ancestors got hold of the social/material tech of the Romans, they could then overcome the disadvantage of terrain and climate which might even become their great advantage as they are harder men. So your ancestors might have become world conquerors even without Christian monotheism.
I readily concede that monotheism has a military advantage of polytheism. But not that it has a civilizational one.
“I readily concede that monotheism has a military advantage of polytheism. But not that it has a civilizational one.”
Well if you don’t concede it it’s complete, pure and obvious cope, or merely obliviousness. The evidence is everywhere and overwhelming that it has a civilizational one.
I have a soft spot for our resident Hindus, but their overwhelming tendency to cope in the face of obvious reality is just going to guarantee their continual civilisational failure.
@DavyCrockett @Milosevic
Ancient Greece and Rome did and modern Japan does have a polytheistic religion
I deleted this comment, because you repeated it at length subsequently, so I assumed you would prefer it deleted.
This deletion caused chaos. Upon restoring it the chaos was cured.
Agriculture was possible in England, and herding was possible in both Briton and Scandanavia. There were the seeds(pun unintended) of civilization, they just never bothered to plant them. The social technology was not being developed, so the scientific technology could not be. Rome did not bring science. Rome brought the social technologies that would eventually allow us to develop science. Nothing was stopping the Britons from acting like civilized men but their savage demon worship and general barbarity. Themselves, in other words.
Furthermore, it is not as if they were completely unskilled. Viking shipwrights made very advanced craft, and their metalworking was fairly good. The British people had erected Stonehenge, which required some pretty solid understanding of astronomy and quite a lot of cooperation to bring the stones to one place. They were not without accomplishments, but they were nothing compared to the English, Swedish, or Danes of the 1700s.
The Britons aren’t the English. The English are descendants of the Anglo-Saxons who invaded after the Romans pulled out of England.
The Britons largely are modern day English. There was not as much genetic admixture from the Anglo-Saxons as was thought, nor from the Normans. They were an elite, so they had a lot of influence and they did intermarry, but it was not a wholescale replacement.
Did not know that. Any good summaries? I’m mostly curious how Farewell to Alms fits into this; downward social mobility would make the population more resemble to elite over time, but if that isn’t happening, that implies the conquering elite quickly married into the native population and diluted.
To put it badly, how much is England like China?
Official truth does not like total replacement.
It appears that in substantial areas of England there was total replacement. The Saxons failed to take any slave girls and concubines. Absolutely zero Britons remained.
In other parts of England, some Britons survived, resulting in a complicated story that is easy to tell simple lies about.
China absorbed conqueror after conqueror while remaining largely Han. Britain, on the other hand, is insignificantly Briton.
Downward mobility isn’t real. Read the book: And the Son Also Rises. Here’s a blurb on it:
When the elite produce enough offspring to take up lower positions in the social order, those lower positions tend to become amazingly productive and advanced. But the elites never really go lose their position unless they stop producing offspring.
I pieced it together from a few different sources over a few years, because I used to think the same thing: Anglo-Saxon conquests totally expunged native Britons, in their migrations. It was genetic tests of people over time that showed that the Briton haplogroup is mostly still there. Anglo-Saxons came in and brought women, but also settled down and intermarried. Normans did a little intermarriage, but did not largely change the population. Danes were apparently so thoroughly wiped out that their contribution to the British gene pool is nonexistent.
Being Anglo-Saxon is like being related to one of the Founding Fathers of America. Yeah, your great^11-grandfather was James Madison. You also have 2^11 – 1 male ancestors that were not James Madison, but no one brings that up. Given a long enough time frame and a geographically isolated population–which England had–eventually everyone ends up “Anglo-Saxon” in that sense.
When I checked out the genetic evidence, I saw ample signs of creativity with the data.
Plus, there is the total local placename replacement of small placenames over substantial areas. If anyone survives, local names survive. So over substantial areas, zero Britons.
And the historical record is that the Briton refugees said total replacement, the early saxon historians said total replacement. On the other hand, the Arthur legends look Romano British, and Wales looks Romano British. We have historical records indicating not total replacement everywhere, but substantial evidence of total replacement over much of England.
But if not total, how much? That the genetic evidence shows symptoms of tinkering indicates rather close to total.
Jim could very well be correct. I am not a geneticist, so I have to rely on other people’s analysis of genetic evidence. The Cathedral might very well have massaged the data. I do remember a bit about the Danes, and I just looked it up to verify. The purge happened in 1002 and included any descendants of Danes. Basically no genetic remnant on them remains in the English population as a result.
It was revealed a few years ago that Genetic testing companies used to toss in random African DNA traces so they could stick it to white people. Wokies have been all over DNA testing in order to protect their narratives since the get go.
My position was based on what I could understand of the genetic evidence. If it was compromised, then it ceases to be evidence I can use.
Place names are not strong evidence in favor of replacement. I grew up in New England, and there are lots of places that have Indian names, but no more Indians. The ethnicity of New York and Boston has changed plenty over the years but the names largely remain the same. Total replacement of place names could just be a new elite setting up shop and using their language.
Lots of medieval historical claims are exaggerated. If Britons are writing histories, how were they supposedly all wiped out? Both sides have an incentive to exaggerate, too. The Britons, to cast their attackers as monsters and rally people against them, and the Saxons, to frighten off the people they are displacing. Plenty of historical records are not so much records as they are propaganda. It would be like reading about the 2022 American economy based on newspapers and coming to the conclusion that there was an economic recovery led by Biden to repair the damage Trump did.
There would have needed to be some extermination just to fit the new people in, but there is enough evidence that some parts of pre-Anglo-Saxon Britons survived that it was not a total replacement.
Thus constancy of placenames is weak evidence against replacement. But thorough disappearance of placenames is strong evidence for replacement.
The all purpose explanation for politically correct histories yanked out of some academic’s ass is that last month another academic yanked a politically correct history out of his ass, so we are totally justified in ignoring what people who there at the time, writing for an audience many of whom were there at the time, wrote.
How do you know medieval sources are unreliable? Because modern sources say so. How do they know?
It is a glib and easy rationale for rewriting history every year to suit the latest inversion of reality.
With regards to the African DNA thing, it was an employee talking big on Twitter. Thencompanies were not saying that, just some shitlib with a Twitter account.
With regards to the Briton/Anglo-Saxon conversation, I cannot support my original contention that Briton are largely unchanged. That said, there does not seem to be enough evidence to conclude that the replacement was as total as the invaders claimed. I am sure they would have liked it to be, but no such luck.
To ascertain the genetic evidence, you need to have the genes of the angles and saxons, and run a comparison on the rest of England families.
Now since we know that the conquest was very heterogeneous, this should not be hard. Just compare old families from locations where we have good evidence of total replacement, with old families from locations where we do not really know what happened.
And I see them doing intellectual somersaults to not show that data. These guys seriously do not want to know what the genes of the original angles and saxons were. They do not want to know the information that they would need to know to draw the conclusions that they drew.
To measure the extent of replacement, you find some genes in the replacing population that are absent from the invaded population, get the best information you can about the frequency of those genes in the invaders, and measure their frequency in the present day population.
And this just is not what those who say “not major replacement” are doing.
I see what you are saying. I was making a logical error in my assumptions. Total replacement of names indicates that total replacement of the people who came up with those names. You can replace without renaming, but you cannot rename without replacement.
The only exception I can think of is the Spanish conquests, but I am still thinking of large names. Major rivers, countries, significant geological formations. You are talking about things like the names of ponds and hills, that are mostly a local phenomenon, correct?
Yes, big cities kept their names, but over much of Britain, nothing else.
@red
I thought that was the definition of downward social mobility? You are lower on the social scale then your parents. Upward mobility is pre-1954 USSR (where party members keep getting executed) or any a society where the elite isn’t reproducing relative to the proles; static is the Indian caste system (yes, I’m aware it isn’t totally static, but it is the best example we have).
I suspect that past reporters are unreliable because I know for a fact that modern reporters are unreliable. I do not think that the character of man has changed that significantly in the time between then and now. Official chronicles suffer from the fact that they must be official history, and official history is inherently reliable. We are not discussing a heavily Christian culture that is dedicated to providing as objective and accurate a history as possible. It was two sorts of propagandists trying to spread their propaganda.
I prefer, for that very reason, to rely on evidence that they would not have or could not have faked. Genetic evidence is the most unfakable kind, because either you reproduced or you did not. Unfortunately, we cannot trust official science with measuring objective qualities. Given their refusal to look into the subject, it is likely that the replacement was considerably more complete than I thought.
Obviously. But there is generally a certain internal consistency in histories written soon after the events, that tends to be lacking in modern histories of these events.
Hard to know what truly happened, but the source closest to the events tends to be the least unreliable.
Rather often, there are seven participants to an important event, and each one has first person eyewitness knowledge, the event becomes famous and has far reaching effects, and some time after the event each person writes a story seriously inconsistent with each of the others, with no apparent reason why any of them should deviate from the truth – none of the stories markedly improving on the role of the writer. Their memories were wrong, or they were not paying attention.
So yes, history is bunk. But history written long after the events is worse bunk.
Second and third Sons generally were not able to achieve the same levels as their fathers in social status. This caused issues that were often resolved by sending such sons off to fight all over the place. But over all elites families never suffered downward social mobility, IE the primary heirs didn’t fall in social status. Thus downward mobility is a myth as long as the elites continued to reproduce.
The situation I was referring too about taking lower status jobs was after the black death where a lot of the lower classes were killed off and those second and third sons moved into what used to be lower class work. Those jobs suddenly become highly productive and very prosperous. Things like craft operations became water powered factories under second and third son elite direction.
Either way, I am not married to the idea because I have no stake in it. Whether they were Britons or Germanic, they conquered the world, and that led to me. It also still supports my point that they had no high civilization or science prior to Christianization by the Romans. The Romans civilized my ancestors, shared their religion, and it led us to the stars.
Luv me Christ, love me soi-ance, ‘ate Moslems. Simple as.
The small places not having names suggests to me that they were empty. When we came to this country, we kept a lot of the Indian names. We make up places for names when those places are empty. The Romano-Briton population was urbanite and degenerate. Likely, they did not have enough farms and farmers, the Saxons settled the empty and abandoned farms as economic migrants, bred quickly, having a patriarchal culture, and eventually wiped out/enslaved the Briton urbanites, a great number of whom fled to Wales and Cornwall. The Britons wiped themselves out via lack of fertility, and the Saxons did not end up having to kill very many.
Rather, suggests that they were emptied.
It does not make sense to put good slaves to the sword. If the elite were put to the sword and commoners enslaved, dark age writers describing the people as destroyed would be accurate. Anglo-saxon burials demonstrate that the AS were living in England in close proximity to Britons for centuries before they destroyed the Britons, suggesting that most of the replacement happened gradually.
If you do not have a social order that makes slaves useful rather than dangerous, and such a social order is harder than it sounds, better to put them to the sword to remove the temptation.
If living side by side, Romano British placenames would survive. I don’t interpret Anglo Saxon burials as indicating they were living side by side – rather looks to me like total anglo saxon racial purity. How do you figure the burials show them living side by side?
How are the burials evidence against the evidence that they just killed anyone who did not speak their language on sight?
“It appears that in substantial areas of England there was total replacement. The Saxons failed to take any slave girls and concubines. Absolutely zero Britons remained.”
Yes this was my understanding that in Southern England at least the natives were totally driven out or exterminated, the tribes believed that the natives were too inferior and didn’t want slave girls from the inferior celt natives contaminating their blood.
The Anglo-Saxons had a slave caste, and presumably a workable system for keeping them in line. Later law regarding the fyrd seems to presume a relatively low density of free men versus farmland, suggesting that the slave class was large.
My memory of the evidence may be faulty; the burial records I remember showed that saxons lived apart from Britons, not side-by-side, and Saxon territory slowly expanded, but not in a marching line like conquest, more like water filtering through gaps. My guess is that saxons would show up, put a fence around some empty land and start a farm, and their better fertility ensured low-level conflict and ethnic violence throughout a few generations, until there was a big war in which the Britons pushed the saxons back. Then, some saxons went home to rally their countrymen, and in the next war, that is when they put most of the men to the sword, enslaved the rest, and took their women.
You argue for total genocide. I say that total genocide is rare, especially without severe motive, and it was merely a very large genocide.
Why would the Cathedral care about what happened to Roman-Britons. Why would they care if they were replaced or interbred with Anglo-Saxons? Seems like a bizarre thing for them to be incentivized to muck with.
It diminishes the sacredness of the one true and holy genocide.
Genocide primarily by the sword is probably rare.
The softer forms of genocide are:
1. denying sufficient food
2. denying men the ability to reproduce.
Dispossessing the men from the land can do one or both. Generally speaking, the most effective way to genocide populations is to gradually reduce their food supply below the subsistence level, because it doesn’t force resistance until the victims are too physically weak to fight back.
Denying the men (at least, as a group) the ability to reproduce, though, can be as simple as reducing their status drastically below that of the conquerors, while turning a blind eye to their equally low status women setting themselves up as conquerors’ concubines. Monogamy for me but not for thee.
They’re like this with all invasions and genocides these days: Actuualy, it was a migration not an invasion! They do this with almost every conquest event now.
Hmmm, a response to this along with replies from Davy Crockett and Milosevic have disappeared.
Second time I have noticed this. Silent deletion?
That’s not Jim’s style. Jim Censors openly. Could be an error or oversight. A site like this with all the privacy/secrecy protocols is not easy to maintain.
I am unaware of any comments from Davy Crocket, nor any recent comments from Milosevic, so not sure what happened.
Possibly a bungle of unintended side effect of silently censoring our resident transwarrior, whose posts became too numerous to note the censorship of each one.
(He views sowing trouble between reactionary Hindus and reactionary Christians as noble warrior conduct, and if not censored, the flood would drown out everything else.)
The recent comment bar shows a comment each from SomeDude, Milosevic, and Davy Crockett that are not there. Clicking the comment link just opens this article. They are appended to the post URL as #comment-2852848, #comment-2852849, and #comment-2852850.
These should be the missing comments, in chronological order:
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chaos caused by this deletion https://blog.reaction.la/economics/national-capitalism-and-sanctions-on-russia/#comment-2852863
Before we adopted the Jew religion we had the Antikythera and a couple other odds and ends from Greeks, and in Rome steam engines that could open doors then Christ cuckery and 2000 years before steam power rediscovered we might have had iPhone and airplanes by AD 200
Gibbon blames Christianity and it’s female slave nigger worship. He knew a thing or two about the fall. Your argument examined is that since Christ cucks in their desperate search to explain away the absurd irrationality of Christianity dug up and fucked the corpse it had killed of European thought
But you don’t think about what if we had exterminated the cucks instead.
We lost that technology about a century before Christ. We did not adopt Christianity till three centuries after Christ.
And the forward march of technology did not resume until around twelve centuries after Christ.
Looking over the broad sweep of history, the conditions that allow technological advance are fragile, unstable, complex, difficult to accomplish, and easy to destroy, but it is absolutely obvious that Christian societies have been the by far the most successful in providing these conditions.
The original Aryans provide a remarkable example of technological advance without cities, literacy, or a merchant class. It is far from clear how this worked.
But the original Aryans were not pagans, nor polytheists, but ancestor worshipers, which is a different kind of religion from regular paganism, since each family has its own gods, and is in actual fact actually descended from those gods.
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You are tying yourself into knots trying to present arguments against our position without saying anything that might reveal what the position is that you are arguing against, without revealing that anyone anywhere ever thought what we think
Your points would be worthy of an answer if you dared reveal the position that you are arguing against.
As a practitioner of the Vedic Aryan religion I think Jim’s statement about original Aryan way being ancestor worship and not Pagan polytheism is pure cope.
The Vedic religion right from the beginning has been proudly and luxuriantly Polytheist. The monotheist philosophical abstraction of a supreme Brahman came later.
And every single Aryan civilization has been proudly Polytheist whether the Hindu, Persian, Greek, Roman or Norse.
The ancestors have their place (Pitru paksha Pitru Pooja and so on) and that place is different from that of the Gods.
Here’s an example of the distinction
https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/9/verse/25
If you have doubts I suggest you find the Hindu temple or Parsi fire temple closest to you and ask the priest there.
Too much focus on the ancestors is generally discouraged because it leads to negativity and pessimism and impairs one s ability to connect with the Gods.
The official urban civilized religion of King and priest has been proudly polytheist, but this was always the center trying to impose unity on a fissiparous collection of families and gens each with their own different ancestral deities of hearth and home.
The precivilized Aryans, the patriarchal nomadic cattle herders, were clearly ancestor worshipers, possibly with a bit of monotheism, because we can see tension between the religion of the city, and the religion of the families and gens (tribes) of the city, a gap very imperfectly bridged and rationalized away.
The aryans would form coalitions, and the priests of a coalition would generate a polytheism from the ancestor worship of the diverse tribes of a coalition.
The horse riding cattle herding aryans that conquered the world were ancestor worshipers. The urban (civilized) aryans that went decadent were polytheists.
Jim, the Rigveda is quite clearly the product of horse riding nomadic pastoralists, NOT an urban settled civilization. And it is full of hymns to the Gods, not to ancestors.
You’re right about fissiparous families with their own traditions, and yes they worshipped their ancestors and the Gods of their gens, but that is the case with every Polytheist society. To this day many orthodox Hindu families have their own familial God (Kula Deva). And every clan or caste has a clan or caste God. And every village or town has a local home God (Grama Deva). And these are usually different from the Great Gods like Vishnu Shiva Krishna and so on.
Here’s one overview
https://youtu.be/zDiS4nVt7zk
The evidence staring us in the face is that the Aryans had many many Gods. Any argument to the contrary seems like a huge reach.
Interestingly, some very orthodox Hindu Brahmins claim that worship of ancestral deities of hearth and home, clan Gods, village Gods and so on is un-Aryan. They say the original Aryan way was fire sacrifices to the Gods mentioned in the Vedas. They say all these other clan and family practices are later day intrusions from indigenous cultures.
The evidence staring us in the face is that the many gods of each Aryan family were the ancestors of each family, and the gods of groups of families, gens, tribes, etc were the ancestors of that tribe, and were known by those Aryans to have lived as mortals and fathered them.
Gods shared by many many Aryan tribes were very ancient ancestors.
No it is not. There is demon worship and ancestor worship, and you can tell the difference. For a clear and extreme example of demon worship: the Old Gods of Mexico.
Worship of ancestral deities of hearth and home was common to most of the peoples that destroyed urban civilization across the world around 1300-1500 before Christ. So predates the invasion of India that flattened the Indus Valley civilization
They are not “very orthodox”. Like the post Christian shills infesting gab, who loudly and frequently announce that they are more Christian than thou, they are at best wrong and heretical, and at worst demon worshipers, for we have ample evidence that worship of ancestral deities of hearth and home was more ancient, and more strongly felt, in Greece and Rome in their early rise, than the official civic religions of Greece and Rome.
Whenever someone tells you how orthodox he is and how religious he is, he is not orthodox and if he is religious, it is not the religion he is professing.
The old reincarnation cult (ancestor worship) whose mythic imagery predates the aryans by tens of thousands of years is the foundation of crystallized polytheism and sort of, of cosmic monotheism
Daemon means ancestral spirit, and those were recognized as eu- and caco-, good and bad demons. If you prefer physicalist models, those can be applied. If you think that you must never seek peace with the danes because they invaded you and slew your ancestors a thousand years ago, that is synonymous with an ancestral cacodaemon whispering misfortune in your ear – you are better off not listening.
Since it is not possible to know beforehand what whispers to listen to, christianity decategorized eudaemon and islam banned necromancy (“the ancestors call out for revenge against the danes” is necromancy. The ancestors are dead and do not call for anything unless necromanced into doing so, and claiming to speak for the ancestors or, aghast, other dead people, is necromancy).
I am rather fond of necromancy and the ancestors, and i fear the early christians threw a baby out with the bathwater, perhaps one that wasn’t missed until much later. Perhaps the immediate anchor to regenerative procreation, without which the structure still held together for a very long time, but eventually left large enough cracks for Nietzsche to hammer into.
Every tribesman fills a function, and his soul expands to excel at the function. When a child comes of age (actually at three points at the 7th, 14th and 21st year, if the child survives the koryos), it is determined through aryan voodoo the shape of his soul, and an ancestor is reincarnated into him. The vessel studies the example of the incarnate and is presented with his grave goods, and so shapes his soul after that of the incarnate.
This is initially, long ago, very personal and close, but over time, there emerges a general “god of craftsmen” and “god of warriors” and “god of kings”, etc, when limits between gens corrode – the shape of the soul of the incarnate is abstracted into a general shape of every soul that performs his social function. Simultaneously the close and personal familial ancestral cult keeps on trucking, and you get the spectrum between hearth and home eudaemons to polytheist higher level deities, and there is absolutely nothing preventing the higher level deities from becoming completely demonic, cacodaemonic, other than the fruit from their trees over sufficiently long periods of time. You can’t run an empire based on sacrificing as many of your subjects to quetzalcoatl as possible for ever.
The cosmogenic celestial gods skyfather, dyaus pitar, zeus, theiwaz come from observing, or perhaps leaping to that faith, that the same regenerative pattern that leads to the procreation of your ancestor spirits is ever present. The skyfather is not one of the human ancestor spirits and is not an eudaemon of a bloodline, but of the universe. I don’t think this is a separate form, but i think the former reincarnation cult comes from looking at the people around you and into yourself, while the cosmic mirror image of the reincarnation cult comes from looking at the sun and the night sky, and into yourself.
The ancient and also not so very ancient aryans did indeed consider their gods ancestors that had lived as mortals, but there were also numerous of them. There was not one Oden. Oden is buried in at least 300 places over the north, yet came from a specific part of Magna Scythia/Anatolia that the vikings remembered and visited, and returned satisfied with having seen Oden’s grave there, and having met their distant Odenic codescendants still in the area, now overrun by arabs and turks. Quite likely that was the first Oden (since the figure is abscent in many branches of paganism), and everyone wanted their kid to be Oden reincarnate, and perhaps immediately or perhaps over a long time Oden was recognized as an incarnate of the Skyfather.
Hey, buddy, how about you take a shill test. You sound like a paid faggot.
Fancylad’s comment is straight-up Muh Odin excrement that’s smeared all over Unz’s site. It’s so gay I fear catching the Monkeypox from it.
Unz is a self-hating Jew, so it is no surprise that troglodytes like this would gather there to screech and fling shit. What is the difference between people like this and niggers? One is a filthy, treacherous subhuman that has no place in civilized society, and the other is a native of Africa.
What do they have in common? They have to go back.
All neopagans are faggots or shills or, usually, both, even though they are seeking to revive a very manly religion.
It is like the difference between the leathers worn by a leatherboy, and the leathers worn by an actual bikie.
I lack a psychological or political model that explains this.
Even Hitler who may have been literally a closet fag (agnostic on this but many early nazis were fags) and who secretly loathed Christianity said neopagans were gay.
You will never be a real pagan.
Faggots like masculine men. By aping masculine systems, they hope they can fuck real masculine men. It is cargo cult manliness.
It’s mimicry. Very frequently found in nature.
https://josephsciambra.com/surviving-gaybarely/
Some things to note:
In spite of all the horrors the subject repeatedly suffered and subjected himself too over time, he still never actually renounced poopdick until it became physically impossible for him to do so.
The yearning for a paternal archetype to take one under their wing and raise them up to be a man like them is a common refrain, which makes one thing all the more conspicuous in its absence of mention anywhere in the narrative: his own father.
Vulnerable young men keenly feel a need for the camaraderie of the mannerbund, something else conspicuously absent in general in the atomized void of modern society, and older gays larp as manly men to draw them in them.
Much like how autogynephilia is a degenerate form of normal male attraction to feminine beauty, the off-kilter larping of gays is itself an expression a degenerate form of androphilia.
Even twinks and bottoms who take ‘submissive’ roles are still visibly male and not really feminine at all; gays are repulsed by genuinely feminine aesthetics in appearance.
People in general, and young men especially, crave the form of ritual transformation from lower to higher modes of existence; another perennial aspect of Traditional civilization, destroyed by the nominalistic void of modernity.
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In many respects, the spread of trans cults can be seen as simulacrums, conjured up to rush into the vacuum created by this absence; their lives suck, they are instinctively depressive, and they cannot conceive any hope for the future; never more alluring than in such situations is the prospect of a ‘new beginning’, a casting away of a lesser form of life into a newness of life. But where, in more civilized times, perennial Traditions would offer the prospect of trials in the spheres higher castes for those who wish to jump headfirst into the unknown headwaters of Being, no such outlets really exist today; and thus, we find menageries of pernicious chimaeras sprouting into existence, to occupy such niches in the contours of Being, in their stead.
I thought I’ve already seen the deepest depths of depravity and little more could shock me. Well, you showed me my hubris. Reading the thoughts of homosexuals is worse than physically seeing their behavior in California in person.
Something that immediately stood out to me was this:
“the unrelenting subliminal fear is that you will remain in constant boyhood or worse still – permanently lapse into the humiliation of your former sissy persona.”
How much of adult behavior is based on childhood experience? The hardcore geneticists will insist that genes are everything and that outside extreme abuse people generally grow up to be what they always would have grown up to be. Others disagree. I can’t help but wonder though if I have something similar to homosexual men but in reverse. I’m deeply nostalgic of my prepubescent boyhood days in oppose to fearful. I was doted on by several older highschool girls. I was a devious, manipulating, lying little shit back then and took it too far one day. Some never talked to me again. I wish I could permanently lapse back into my former bratty persona.
>Even twinks and bottoms who take ‘submissive’ roles are still visibly male
It’s such a overt middle finger to maleness, humanity, and the natural order that most people visibly recoil in disgust. That’s not the reaction to something visibly male. That’s not the reaction to anything visibly human. They have degenerated into something near human yet definitively sub human which makes it all the more repulsive.
Genes are expressed in an environment. Change the environment, change the expression, change the behavior.
The natural predator of faggots, juvenile alpha males, have been neutralized. Nothing like todays faggots would have survived in the ancestral environment.
It takes wholesale demon worship, denial of reality, and hatred of the good, beautiful and true to get where we are today.
Faggotry, like leftism is a rejection of the burden of performance our creator demands of us. A hatred of creation and of being itself.
>It’s such a overt middle finger to maleness, humanity, and the natural order that most people visibly recoil in disgust. That’s not the reaction to something visibly male. That’s not the reaction to anything visibly human. They have degenerated into something near human yet definitively sub human which makes it all the more repulsive.
This touches on a nuance which i left implicit, but perhaps should make explicit at length.
The main thing there is that there is no way you can ever mistake them for being female, even at the same time they are obviously not really ‘a man’ as such either.
To further fill in outlines of this picture, consider the example of the ‘anime trap’ character trope, something we often find ex-tumblr sets in anglophonic sides of the net having an evinced difficulty wrapping their heads around.
The privilege of the artist is the ability to take anything he is capable of conceiving of, however improbable, and conjure it into appearance. Things like traps are not the sort of things that can really be found in reality as such, but are found in forms of existence only by fiat of the artist’s pen. Thus, the doujinka in area eleven is fine with a trap being male – for that is what it is: something having the exoteric form of a feminine ideal, while still being essentially male in all the ways that matter. Put in other words, these are imperialist colonizations of the gay experience by heteropatriachal norms of aesthetics.
In the bluecheck weltanshauung however, if a man so much as puts on a skirt, he is not simply a man wearing a skirt, has has, somehow, ‘become female’, in some ineffable manner – that he *must* become so, even. Even before setting aside the solipsistically superficial cargo-cult modes of thought at work, you get the impression that the very idea of a character that could be designed to be excessively feminine in terms of exterior appearance, yet at the same time, not be confused at all about the fact that they are still male, is almost inconceivable – or anathema – to contemplate.
If there is naught else that is more or less essential, and all else is as contingent as anything else, then there would be no point in the existence of a ‘trap’ archetype either. A man in a skirt could just as easily be a woman in a skirt too. Of course, this immediately begs the question of what exactly is supposed to be denotated by the terms ‘man’ or ‘woman’ here, in the first place – which naturally is blithely elided in hopes the marks don’t cotton on to your tactic of retaining old exosemantic inertia associated with an original definition while shuffling definitions to whatever other thing is convenient at the time.
The incoherence of this two-step wraps back around to an ironically high degree of essentialism running through the predominant view of twitterati, where a magic ritual of transformation may be accomplished through aping certain forms of dress or behavior or presentation, which are held as inextricably tied to the sexes they participate in.
Of course the whole premise of a trap character type to begin with is the fact that they are not in fact the sex they appear as, and implications that they are undermine that dynamic. It is not a ‘becoming’ or ‘in the process’ towards something else, it is already what it always is. That is perhaps a fundamental break in what distincts the thinking, and why such a character archetype, or anything in general that might possibly look good, or healthy, or beautiful, is basically non-existent in fiction made in polities under atlantic empire dominion.
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There is a profound ugliness in androgyny. A feminine woman can be cute and beautiful; a masculine man can be handsome and impressive; but those misshapen lumps sometimes referred to as ‘trans folk’ which are not any, elicit an almost instinctual revulsion. You don’t even need to do a codon analysis to tell that there is some serious mutational load going un-culled there. Tittyskittles don’t ‘turn you into a woman’ in any way that matters. This is not to say they have no effect however. Indeed, they have profound effects. But what those effects are is not that they will make a man into a woman, but that they will make them less of a man.
(For any given archetype, there is a range of excellency appropriate for that archetype; more discerning emphasis on which in accordance with the archetype(s) one is participating in, in turn bringing greater success; and more discerning perception of more successful archetypes, in the first place, of course bringing the greatest success of all; a given archetype necessarily being a correlate of a teleology it is exponent of, some more transcendent than others.)
Inside every troon there is at least some small part of them that understands they really will never be a real woman – and so, there is also another part of them that delights in a sort of vindictive glee, at being able to force other people to go along with the farce – to make it more obstreperously farcial precisely *in order* to highlight the farce. There is no ‘passing’, there is only Zod.
This applies of course not just to troons in particular, but the broader ecosystems of daemonhosts in general. The social power of making people acquiesce to validating something they all know in their hearts to be a lie is headier than any drug. That is dominance, pure dominance. A rush of testosterone infused dopamine strait to the dome. There’s no other feeling in the world like it.
Hence, at the end of the day, they change things to look uglier – they change themselves to look uglier – because they want them to look ugly. That is their nature. Their spirits are filled with ugliness, and they seek to spread that ugliness into everything around them. You can see the same thing in anything these kinds of people (i use the term here loosely) try to insinuate themselves into. Whether it’s disney, star wars, comics, video games, architecture, interior design, engineering, rhetoric, philosophy, statecraft, your local homeowners association…
The very fundaments of their aesthetic sensibility, the drivers of behavior and wellsprings of judgement, are tuned in such a way that they can see nothing good in this plane. There is nothing in this life that brings them joy, and any and every body they meet, in light of that same sensibility, is perceived as nothing more than irredeemable villains who deserve nothing but destruction – and any of those with higher status than themselves, of course, deserving it most especially. At the core of every gnostic poz-hole, is a nihilist who wants to die and wants everyone to die with them.
And that’s why the ill tree bears only ill fruit.
Said the guy who came up with that pen name.
First you shill tests are utter faggotry you actually think deep state propagandists can’t say nigger and faggot .
second I’m a Steamfitter by trade and you write code internet superhero
Shills can, and do, say “nigger, faggot, and Joo Joo Joo name the Joo” all day long.
What they cannot do is notice the any problems caused by blacks, gays, etc, nor notice anyone else noticing what is forbidden to be noticed.
They say “name the Joo” all day long – but then cannot notice what Soros is doing, because he is paying them. Similarly troofers cannot notice any FBI misdeeds, nor notice anyone else noticing any FBI misdeeds.
I do not write internet code. I make chemicals and I shoot rifles. Getting into a dick measuring contest with someone named Thundercock just shows that you are dumber than a nigger, gayer than a faggot, or both.
Of course, you could show me by posting something that an HR department would find objectionable. Maybe something about how gays are untrustworthy and disgusting? You could discuss the inability of black Africa to produce any sort of civilization of note or any science. Come on, big guy. Surely you can say something?
>we might have had iPhone and airplanes by AD 200
Those who say the West needs niggers fail to see that white people too can be niggers.
The best disproof is to look at Christianity’s impact on Sub-Saharan Africans and Indian Dalits mainly. Centuries in the future
However we will be long dead before we see the proper impact.
My comment was meant as an insult. Badvlad saying that we could have had iPhones and airplanes by 200AD is one of the most insultingly idiotic statements I have ever read in my many years at Jim’s Blog.
Regarding Africans, I have met African men and women from the Nigerian elite who, while not as smart, are just as civilized as white people. Speaking as an opera lover, Jessye Norman is as good as her reputation precedes her. However, it will take many centuries for blacks to realize their full potential, assuming they are not exterminated in the following centuries as the Polygon loses hegemony.
The decline of GAE power will be a boom period for civilized blacks, as China will be desperate to partner with anybody vaguely competent to assure safe resource extraction in Africa.
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If I allowed this through, I would have to just repeat yet again the same points I already posted in response to your previous post.
You have to make an argument, not endlessly repeat your original claims as if no rebuttal had been posted.
Someone makes a claim. Someone else provides evidence and argument the claim is false. Repeating the original claim in slightly different words without evidence or argument is a waste of space.
Rome had long been a degenerate cesspit, where it was clear that science and technology were completely stagnant. The Romans invented next to nothing; even in their virtuous days, they would take things that others invented and refine them. When steam power was rediscovered in England, it near-instantly spread across the continent and began being refined and iterated on. When steam power was invented in the classical world, it was used as an amusing toy for centuries, the same way the Chinese regarded gunpowder.
The late Romans were niggers. Smart niggers, but still niggers. Christianity only forestalled the collapsed of a debased people.
It’s like expecting negros to build and maintain advanced society because they are good at football lol.
I just realized, Roman engineering is a lot like Russian engineering. The Romans stole Carthages shipbuilding technology and optimized it for mass production; Russian engineering is genius, but because it takes from others and optimizes it for simplicity and function. The Lada Niva is a piece of shit, but it is also the most rugged and reliable car ever produced. I note the similarities between the aquiline nose and the Slavic nose as well, and the fact that Latin sounds most “correct†when spoken in a heavy Russian accent. Maybe the romans (Latin is a linguistic anomaly) were actually East Aryans, and most closely related to todays Russians
I mean, the “Romanians” chose that name for branding purposes, right? And “Czar” is just the Slavic form of “Caesar”.
America is Carthage. Russia is Rome. China is China. We are all screwed.
But we have something they did not. Lots more history – or, as an engineer would say, a repository of working social software.
Russian aerospace engineering is fantastic, and has been for as long as it has been a field. Say what you will about their other feats, but they got it done in the air. They made the best aircraft in the world during a time that socialist economics should have made aircraft near impossible. Even Sikorsky here in America was founded by Russians fleeing the Bolsheviks.
Chemistry, too, owes a lot to Russians. A lot of this got quietly written out of the textbooks, like how Indian numerals became Arabic numerals when India got cozy with the Soviets. Russians can absolutely innovate and develop their own technology, even with the losses due to Bolshevik massacres and Stalin’s purges.
England- Greece
America- Carthage
Germany- Rome
Russia- Byzantium
Russia does a lot with very little- but the core principles were developed by other peoples. To the extent that Russia innovates, they do have plenty of Germanic stock both from the Rus (Viking) and Germans themselves from the time of Catherine onward.
Russia helped develop the core principles in chemistry, and that is all I can comment on because I am not as familiar with the history of physics. There are a bunch of Russians that made big discoveries in chemistry, and while the Germans have the most claim to fame in that discipline, the four nations that contributed most to chemistry were England, France, Germany, and Russia.
Saying that Russians do not innovate is an absurd claim, and to suggest that they are just taking principles developed by others is false on its face. Astronautics is a field that has developed within living memory, and the Russians did more with it than the Americans did. Musk did not improve upon American rocket designs. He improved upon Russian rocket designs. Yes, Russia had Nazi scientists, but so did America, and Russia made better use of them.
The assertions about Russian capacity for development stem from age old European bias against the Russians and the poor performance of Socialism in society building, I believe. The old WW02 armchair historian joke is that if you ask Russia to design a pair of boots, you’ll end up with wooden blocks, but if you ask them to design a gun, you’ll end up with the AK-47.
Perhaps you are correct regarding the Russian capacity to innovate. Russia was indeed on the verge of an explosion of high culture in art and music, just as it was getting parasitized by Anglo intellectual thought leading towards the revolution. Russia is getting national capitalism, and the other ingredient of science is religion, telling them they are glorifying God with the pursuit of truth.
If there is any limitation on Russian capacity for innovation, it is cultural. Russian refugees and immigrants like Sikorsky have shown talents for it, and in the 1700s and 1800s they were helping develop chemistry. Dmitri Mendelev is responsible for the periodic table and used it to successfully predict then-unknown elements. There are more, it is just with socialism a lot of that ground to a halt, which we are seeing with Americans today.
Saying that Russians cannot innovate is like saying that Americans cannot innovate. The last truly innovative consumer product was the call phone, which is getting to be about 15 years ago. Military innovation has either stagnated or moved backwards. Americans cannot innovate like the past, because we lost the social structures of the past that made innovation possible. Same with Russia, except they seem to be reviving it while America is drowning theirs.
The Lada Niva is, like all Soviet architecture, a reflection of Communism, not of Orthodox Russia.
Russians are just as capable as Western Europeans at producing great art, music, and literature. Orthodox Russia gave us Dostoyevsky and Tolstoy, Tchaikovsky and Rachmaninoff, Repin and Serov, among many others. Russian ballet is the best in the world bar none.
As an example of excellence in modern Russian technological development, the MC-21 is just as capable an airplane as anything from the United States or Western Europe while at the same time being distinctly Russian in terms of design and cockpit interface. If Russia wins her war in Ukraine, she will undoubtedly show her potential in the coming centuries.
Yes, Russian ballet and symphonies are great; I am particular to them over the western, but the ballet and the symphony are not Russian forms. Russian novels are great, but the novel is not a Russian form. Russians make great rockets and fighter jets, but did not invent the rocket or the fighter jet. I like Russian guns better than American ones, and so forth. You see my point, yes? A Russian dominated world would be able to keep the level of technological progress very high, improve on it as well, but I am talking about zero-to-one inventions. I’ll give them the periodic table of course; and I wish for Russias carrying the torch of western civilization forward more as much as anyone. But it may be centuries before the 1760-1960 storm of innovation can be replicated.
“Russia does a lot with very little- but the core principles were developed by other peoples. To the extent that Russia innovates, they do have plenty of Germanic stock both from the Rus (Viking) and Germans themselves from the time of Catherine onward.”
You are very wise, but I cannot agree with this specific.
The Slavic part of Russia has the widest variance in behaviors, and at the peak of creativity also the highest creativity.
The history of Russia is full of Slavic individual geniuses.
What is hard is to make Slavs cooperate usefully. Russians invented theory of the rocket, and the theory of radar stealth, but this was implemented better by Germans (in Germany and in America).
Russia lacks quality control.
And in a population with very wide variance, extreme and brutal quality control must be applied to ensure that the best people are the ones running things.
“Narrowly above average” societies like Germany and Japan are much less sensitive to who specifically from their populations rules.
Steam power was a toy because the metallurgy wasn’t advanced enough to do anything piratical with it. It spread like wildfire because the English established the scientific principles that made it work and thus easy to improve and more importantly the mass production of cast iron allowed the creation of the pistons necessary for a practical engine.
The Romans were amazing engineers. They invented a concrete so strong that it held up for 2,000 years in very harsh conditions. And towards the very end of the western empire they built industrial scale milling operations power by water. What the English did was bring both amazing engineering and highly advance science together.
The first steam engine was used to pump water out of a mine so that they could dig below the water table, and the Romans certainly did a lot of mining. And the Romans had mass production of iron; they had a lot of legions to arm.
Europe immediately recognized the power and potential of steam technology, which made them develop further innovations to directly harness it. The Romans simply did not realize the potential, or care, despite being amazing engineers. The tolerances necessary to make water trickle gently down the imperceptible grade of an aqueduct for dozens of miles without going too fast, or getting stagnant, are mind-blowing. They could certainly engineer the tolerances of an engine. But, though they were smarter than us in terms of geometry, they could not think in terms of energy.
Cast iron production is very different from general iron production.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cast_iron#History
The Chinese had it in the 5th century BC. The west didn’t have it until the 1500s. Without it making pistons was a no go.
>Europe immediately recognized the power and potential of steam technology, which made them develop further innovations to directly harness it. The Romans simply did not realize the potential, or care, despite being amazing engineers.
The fact that we know they had steam engines indicates Romans thought it was pretty amazing. They just lacked the metallurgy and science to make it useful. Without the ability to make it practical then having slaves work bellows to remove water was going to be a lot more effective than a primitive engine powered by wood pulling on a rope. Practical steam engines are pretty complicated machines.
Finally the concept of a vacuum was necessary to advance the design of the steam engine. The Greeks thought a vacuum couldn’t exist. The first vacuum pump wasn’t invented until the late 1600s. All prerequisites to a practical steam engine that could actually pump water effectively.
Rape = Rope.
My argument is that Europe went ahead and invented a bunch of other technologies meant to make steam power work, and Rome did not. Guns did not work very well at first because nobody could make barrels out of a solid piece of metal, but once Europeans saw gunpowder, they invented means of making barrels out of solid pieces of metal.
We can chalk this up to social technology instead of genetics if you prefer, providing scientists and engineers with wealth and status, and the capitalism that allowed inventors to profit from their inventions and interested parties to invest in their development, both of which Rome did not have.
Yes they did, but they also had a thousand years to improve things after the Romans. A better debate on steam power would be why didn’t the Chinese invent it? They had everything necessary for it.
The Chinese had cast iron which is what made cannons useful. What the Chinese lacked was kernaling the gunpowder which greatly increased the the power making small arms practical. Regular Gunpowder just burned too slowly to give any accuracy to a hand held firearm. Once Europeans invented Kernaling the race to practical small arms was underway.
Inventions are less important that making an invention practical. And often the primary reason an invention can’t be made practical is other areas of tech are not advanced enough or the economy isn’t large enough. Rome suffered from Economic decline from the 300s on making any possibility of advances in practical tech pretty limited. Military tech continued to improve, but general tech no longer did.
The steam engine just isn’t a good example of this. There was never any chance the Romans could make one. They lacked both the metallurgy(cast iron wasn’t useful for warfare) and the scientific know how(Greeks said vacuums were impossible).
I don’t disagree with your idea that the western Romans became niggers, there was a distinct lack of intelligence in the elite classes late into western Roman history. They spent a lot of time aping the people before them and a lot of their best techs became lost. But before that period the Romans were quite advanced. But they were clearly not niggers during the Republic.
No, early Romans not niggers. They were extremely competent men who performed technologically incredible feats, like the aqueduct, like water pressure excavation. But early Romans were the culmination of Classical science and know-how, they did not push the envelope forward, despite inventing a few cool things like the vaulted arch and concrete that could set underwater. The point is that the recipe for scientific advancement takes more than having the smartest and manliest men around, because the Romans were the smartest and manliest men around.
Here’s the latest podcast from RWA: https://youtu.be/goUwLeNq7uM
The whole thing is interesting, but I turn your attention to 13:20. The lads discuss why the SMO happened at all. Please give them a View, but the field summary is that Russia was pressed into action because Zelensky indicated that Ukraine should try to join NATO, try to join the EU, and seek to acquire nuclear weapons. If this is the case, then we know from the patterns of Liberal Democracies that when a public figure head starts talking about a subject, goal, or event, it has been actually researched, sought after, or studied for quite some time, and the Powers that Speak are seeking to bring Public Opinion into line with their intentions. So it could be the case that Ukrops were already on the road to Abaddon, and Putin rushed into action despite being unprepared and unwilling.
This thesis runs counter to my assertion that Russia has been moving down a path they started in ~2008, but it doesn’t fully invalidate it necessarily. As I wrote elsewhere, events may have caused them to shorten or lengthen their timelines due to the factors at play. Ditto for Starman’s assertion that it was the Fall of Kabul that precipitated the SMO. There’s a certain logic to it, and it may help explain why the RF seems to be pussyfooting around when they should be laying waste to the Hohol hideyholes. It could be the case that there is significant resistance to such haste within the general staff and certain factions of the Russian Elite. It was under reported, but a number of oligarchs seemed to forget about gravity right at the start of the SMO and walked off of buildings they owned.
Here’s another link given to me by a fellow traveler far from these parts:
https://youtu.be/8ydtGhxUNys
It’s a tactical breakdown of the current state of affairs in Eastern Ukraine.
Nato rules are that you cannot join while in a stage of war and cannot join unless in full control of claimed and recognized territories. (No one will sell insurance for your car after you have totaled it.)
However overlooking, or finding some legalist formula around, full control, is easier than overlooking or finding some legalist formula around, total war.
So, from the point of view of Russia, forever war with Ukraine is an expensive insurance policy against further Nato expansion.
And it was obvious that the ultimate goal of Nato expansion was not to tear down the statues, desecrate the relics, and hold a gay victory parade in Severodonetsk, but to tear down the statues, desecrate the relics, reconsecrate the Grand Cathedral with the rainbow flag, and hold a gay victory parade in Moscow.
The GPT-3 bot-network along with the millions of shills in every single media network is tiresome.gif , I was talking about something like ‘vodka’ not even related to the GAE war, and I had fed shills coming to educate me about how its only a matter of time before Russia loses. What irks me in the end is to run this mighty machine they need a lot of fucking tax dollars that are coming out of guess whos pocket.
The NAFO accounts is 100% fed op, you can tell because the only thing shaniqua and her clique can agree on is a dog being a good symbol to cohese under; otherwise they would have gone harder on the aesthetics like GAE did in the past.
Excellent exchange below between SomeDude and my kangaroonigga Milosevic and Davy Crockett. Others joined in, and it’s a rousing read.
I’d like to drag this concept up to a new thread: monotheism confers a societal level advantage. It is not restrained to mate guarding, logistics, or warfare. All of these things are downstream from the Society layer of the Civilization stack. I assert that monotheism is the most powerful and effective social construction* in human history. Polytheism is prettier, but monotheism is better. Because it is social construction, we can state declaratively that certain techniques, tools, and methods are objectively better. So long as mankind is constrained to a single planet, monotheism is better. Multi-planetary civilization may change this, or maybe multi-star system civilization. God is, quite literally, the ruck beneath our feet. I could see a reality wherein the Martians have their God and the Terrans have their God, the Humans have a weird sort of distributed monotheism that looks an awful lot like polytheism. One God, many followings.
A note on Dharmabro cope. I too have noticed this trend, if you will. This is going to sound dismissive and bigoted, but it isn’t: I think this is an artifact of being colonized and freed by the same “force.” No society/culture/group can be enslaved without their acceptance of the yoke, and no society/culture/group can be manumitted by another, they must do it for themselves. This is part of why American negros cannot get their shit together**. Coping comes easy when you are surrounded by ever present reminders of your past submission with no legend/mythos/cultural narrative for how you freed yourself. And before anyone races to type out “muh Ghandi,” that socialist faggot had almost nothing to do with “independence.”
*Religions, and religiosity, are social constructs. This has nothing to do with the existence of God. Just as there are good telescopes and better telescopes, so too there are good religions and better religions; God and the stars exist outside of these things.
** Part of, I said. I know there are many other factors.
I think the very idea of “legendary/mythos/cultural narrative for how you freed yourself” is mostly leftist astroturf. Which is why you see it applied to blacks in the 20th century, blacks in the 19th century, and the American founding. When you actually win you abolish any idea that it was ever different.
The Empire in India was stillborn. The Empire (as opposed to the Company) was designed to plunder the work of others in the service of glory of the then liberals at home. It was a thing of vainglory. And because it was a thing of vainglory I am not surprised that it did a bunch of little things that brought about its ruin. Mostly, by setting an example for the rather empowered intellectual class at home in knocking over applecarts.
I don’t see any cope here. I am not reminded of any past trauma when I see a white person. I think you’re projecting some psychological burden that may not be there. (Maybe that is what leftists shrieking about empire are doing, I don’t know what is going through their heads. But I think you are getting your audience wrong if you’re worried I am going to bring up Gandhi) Things are what they are. Sometimes shit happens and they change. What’s true is true and falsehoods help no one.
The reason it is cope is because you are projecting the problems with your own rulers onto the EIC. The EIC came to establish trade routes and get rich through peaceable commerce, but the covetousness and vainglory of local leaders led to them trying to loot the EIC ships that came to trade. The EIC was forced to rule because the locals could not provide the conditions for mutually beneficial trade, and could only take over because your elite were fragmented and prone to defection. You will note that this pattern failed in Japan, because its elite was on the same page, and forced foreign ships to dock and conduct trade on a single island where they could peacefully do so, and no Japanese elite defected on the Tokugawa ban by letting European ships land and trade, because Tokugawa was strong, and had defecting elites put to death.
The blacks say “we was Kangs” – when in fact they were surplus slaves who were worth more to the slave export agent than the local butcher.
And our resident transwarrior says “we will conquer you”, because his people are unable to free themselves – you can still be Hindu under the current regime, but you cannot really be Sikh, if your holy army is not ruling and is not engaged in resistance and rebellion.
[*more transwarrior bluster deleted*]
You will never be a real warrior.
I am pretty proud of that one.
Utter bullshit. No one gives a flying fuck about being enslaved 2 generations ago.
Niggers can’t get their shit together because they’re uncivilized morons. The vast majority of slaves that ended up in the US came from proto civilizations on the west cost of Africa like the Ashanti. The Ashanti where in the process of civilizing themselves and instead of doing the normal thing and executing primitives who can’t restrain themselves from breaking civilized law, they sold them as slaves. And by much bad luck the Christians who bought them encouraged and assisted them them to reproducing by establishing patriarchal family units for them. Generally slave males never reproduce.
Civilization is a genetic process. Those who retain their hunter gather roots are purged from the gene pool or the civilization fails.
What we call criminal behavior is just hunter gather behavior. They gather in other people’s gardens, and hunter other’s live stock. They make war on everyone, because the hunter gathers are always at war with everyone. The solution is to execute criminals until the hunter gather genes are purged from the population and let them live in their bantustans where they can live as god intended they live.
I can’t think of an ethnicity or culture that didn’t spring from hunter-gatherers or go through periods of enslavement or subservience. There appears to be a spectrum of development capacity. Thomas Sowell and Booker T. Washington, in my opinion, demonstrate a “path not taken” for American negros in terms of their wider culture. These two men, and a handful of others, demonstrate that their is some potential, or bundle of potentials, being disregarded and/or bred out of blacks. I genuinely believe that, under the proper circumstances and given a few centuries, maybe even 2 centuries, American negros could develop similarly to the way the Scottish tribes bootstrapped themselves out of low IQ, high time preference “thugs” and into a powerful and valuable ethnicity. I don’t think they would do this in a temperate climate, it would have to be a geography to which they are suited. The black Africans, indeed most if not all the colonized peoples, went straight from basically livestock to socialist proles/foot soldiers. The methodology for this was to take a handful of the mixed race spawn of the elites, force them western universities to be steeped in Marxist indoctrination, then placed in charge of their “newly freed” societies. The results were exactly what their handlers wanted. We still live with the consequences of this heinous social experiment to this day.
The genesis of the various white ethnicities was more drawn out and less manipulated by an evil elite. I think blacks and browns could work their way of the societal ladder, it would just require time and semi-isolation. They are not capable of coexisting with modern societies, and this incapability is both genetic and cultural. To your point about being enslaved 2 generations previous not being a factor, I don’t buy it precisely because “Civilization is a genetic process.” Even if they can’t articulate it, their past does have a profound affect on their current state of being.
The white race and many white cultures were able to progress from hunting-gathering into more sophisticated societal forms. I don’t think negros were given the time or space to do so. Mestizos* have fared a bit better in certain places, but they also have plenty of instances where they are just as poorly equipped as the blacks in America and Africa.
Is there a single white culture or ethnicity that has thrived in tropical zones without a home country buttressing them? The Rhodesians and South Africans were in temperate climates, exotic in many respects but basically just the reciprocal of their origination zones. I think blacks should stay near the equator and whites should stay near the temperate latitudes. These are the places each can develop to their maximum potential. And they must do it for themselves as much as is possible. And over all of this is the specter of leftism, which corrupts and taints all it touches.
While I may phrase it differently, I agree with most if not all of what you said, but I still maintain that culture is like an organism in some ways, and it needs homeostasis of its own making and maintaining. This was the point I was making about negros: there is no organic growth, it’s just the effects of guilt stricken whites trying to save them from themselves. If Du Bois had been ignored and B. T. Washington had been given command of the American negros, I think the situation would be substantially different.
*I may be misusing this term, but I use it in reference to the South American peoples, not just the Mexican’ts.
The Scotts were already a smart people. They fought the Roman’s to a standstill. Climates where acquiring food is difficult results in intelligence. The only thing the Scottish lacked civilized genes which the English bred into them at the point of a gun.
Blacks having developed in the most perfect zone of climate for human food gathering never had a need to develop higher intelligence. The late term pro-civilization of groups like the Ashanti was the result of pressures of more civilized people moving in on them. Even if they had finished civilizing they’d still be dumb as rocks because intelligence isn’t a survival trait in Africa. Eugenics programs to improve general intelligence has proven very difficult to achieve so far. It’s much easier working with a stock of people who evolved to be more intelligent and have them reproduce in larger numbers.
Smartish blacks in America always half breeds with most being majority white. Other’s where mostly pets like Booker who re-invented things white men had invented years ago but Harvard made sure Booker got the credit for.
There was a program to improve black people. It was called Jim Crow and segregation. Intelligent small business owners where made artificially high status in black communities. This resulted in selection favoring intelligence, cooperation, and civilization. Would have it worked long term? No idea. It collapsed in under 80 years in America. And around the same period in South Africa. It may not be sustainable.
The typical program to deal with uncivilized people is to kill them and enslave the few remaining who are too timid to fight. This is by far our best and most time tested solution.
> The typical program to deal with uncivilized people is to kill them and enslave the few remaining who are too timid to fight. This is by far our best and most time tested solution.
I agree, but I don’t like it. So it is what it is.
> There was a program to improve black people. It was called Jim Crow and segregation.
I genuinely feel that both Jim Crow and Apartheid, if allowed to run for at least a century but more likely two or three, would have had massive benefits for both groups. I think this is precisely why white leftism targeted them both so viciously. Nothing angers a leftist more than an orderly process with positive and productive results.
> Smartish blacks in America always half breeds with most being majority white.
The most hilarious redpill of them all. I drunkenly pointed this out once, and was rewarded with a black eye and a blowjob that very night.
> Blacks having developed in the most perfect zone of climate for human food gathering never had a need to develop higher intelligence.
This. This unassailable truth explains so much of the futility and waste of our current era. Nothing just falls out of the sky for no reason, not even rain.
To circle back to the beginning, allow me to refine my initial assertion: if any race, culture, or society is going to have a hope of developing, they must do it for themselves, in addition to being in their proper geographic place with a healthy dose of luck.
I’m not convinced. There’s a lot of similarities between Jim Crown and the Indian cast system. I think it’s more a symptom of a ruling elite that’s no longer producing enough children to correctly administer their lessors. So they retreat into legislating statuses as they decline in numbers and dominance.
I am blindly supportive of Rhodesia, so this may be a function of that, but I strongly feel they had it completely correct. They saw bush blacks for what they were, and built a nation on their instincts and intuition. Blacks and coloureds made up a significant majority of the foot soldiery of the armed forces, a significant percentage of the farm population, a minority of the urban population*, and precisely none of their officer corps. Zimbabwe-Rhodesia was suboptimal, but could have worked, and was probably going to work well, which is why it was strangled in its cradle.
*Slums and criminals are not a part of the population, they are a blight. #Salisburywasagreatplace
I’m curious, have either of you read the book “Erectus Walks Among Us”, because there’s a lot of what you’re both saying that parallels some of the content…
https://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=7FF54D09BDBF485EAE9683B2E4818326
I have not read Erectus Walks Among Us but I just ran through the intro of it. Thanks for the link, I’ll read the book, though based on the intro I’m concerned it’s a crank author. Thinking over the cold climate breeds intelligence theory, it really makes me question the idea that we came out of Africa as modern humans. I’ve been told that both the Genetic data supports this idea, but it’s hard to trust a lot in modern science. I just don’t have a way to tell if that’s the case.
What I can say for sure is Africans are very different from the higher races. They mature earlier(14-16), have lower intelligence, and can’t naturally float which everyone outside of Africa can. Tossing a black kid into a pool is a death sentience while tossing a white or Asian kid into a pool and they’ll start dog paddling. There was never a possibility that they would be sea fairing. We’re pretty sure the Neanderthals were based on their remains being found on Mediterranean islands that there was no possibility of a land bridge being available. The split might have happened much earlier than indicated by the official line.
Smartest apes found in Africa – and when those guys left the forest for the Savannah, need higher levels of male/male cooperation in larger groups, and since chimp cooperation is intelligence based, had no alternative but to become smarter than chimps.
On the other hand, the world was settled by some very impressive prehistoric seafarers, and impressive seafarers had to be a people very different from modern blacks. Modern type humans, if you count the Australian aboriginal as modern type human, crossed the Wallace line.
Jungle chimp -> savannah chimp very long ago, in africa. So humans came out of africa.
But modern apefricans banged some other hominid 200k years ago, which genetic trace is not present among other races, so the other races have been outside of africa with no genetic flow since at least then.
So the “out of africa hypothesis” and timeline is false.
A narrative and worldview founded on victimhood destroys everyone. Gnon says the following: You are entitled to suffer and you are entitled to die.
Anyone too weak or too corrupt to accept that embraces a leftist illusion and they pay an enormous price. Gnon blesses those who accept that pain and suffering are a necessary precondition for your life. Civilization is downstream from that acceptance.
As Aryaman says, no one in Hindu reaction things Gandhi got India freedom. In fact the majority view among the Hindu Reaction is that Gandhi was a very evil man, an enemy of Hindus, someone who hated Hindus and wanted them all dead.
Similarly, no one in Hindu reaction thinks of Brits as the enemy, any more than they think of Arabs/Turks as the enemies. The issue for them is that the Brits constituted a vector for the Abrahamisms which is seen as the real enemy in India (Strangely Judaism is very well regarded in India, but thats another story).
Our continued sympathy for Polytheism should not be seen entirely as cope. Yes, there is some cope, but it is not all cope. That sort of thinking does not take all factors into account. The canaries in the coalmine are Japanese Shinto which is polytheistic as was Rome at the height of it’s power.
Finally, Hinduism is going monotheistic (a trend several centuries old now) where all deities are being seen as facets of the one ultimate Brahman, the military and advantages of monotheism when it comes to mobilization being understood. If we are going to go monotheistic, we’d rather do it ourselves for reasons well understood (survival) rather than have it imposed on us from the outside.
Note that Sikhism, Jainism and Buddhism, all of which originated from within India are all monotheistic for all practical purposes
If you want an example of how black people “liberating themselves” turns out… there’s Haiti.
Not a nice place.
Absolutely agree. Bow of Ulysses is one of my favorite books, and Froude is my favorite author from the 19th century.
…and yet, the disaster on Haiti in the 19th century is a parallel to the disaster in Haiti in the 21st century: local primitives are empowered by carrion baggers and leftist ideology to destroy order and consume human flesh.
If you give a group of kids a project to work on, whether it’s linkin’ logs or legos or whatever, some will need just a little help to start building while others will need close and constant supervision to keep from choking on the pieces. But whatever the native talents and capacities, at some point they will have to internalize the lessons and start building on their own. This is what I mean by “liberating” themselves. Strong and capable societies have to branch out on their own, with their own collective legends and cultural touchpoints. You don’t get to be kangz without moving through the various intermediate steps. No one goes from slave chattel to nobility instantly, and transporting a bunch of violent, stupid thugs from the streetz to the boardroom is destined to fail. This is why jews and liberal whites must return to the hood every generation to save the next generation of benighted victims of institutional discrimination.
This is one of the crew of the SpaceX launch yesterday:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Kikina
Look at that photo.
Russia: tranny central.
Manjaw central, not tranny central. Too much testosterone growing up.
Now this is your typical American Tranny:
https://twitter.com/SeanFewster/status/1577844314088288256
Comments are encouraging. Someone with a Twitter should write “He’s not a woman, but he is gay.”
Another idea that Jim mentioned years ago:
https://twitter.com/CatholicCharm/status/1577484950642769921?cxt=HHwWgoCymY2NreQrAAAA
Groomers fear strong fathers.
[*demonization of parents and children that are waking up to the scam that burned you deleted*]
While Plato is the origin of many good things. What is strange is why Plato loved Socialism so much in his writing “Plato’s Republic”
Why does Plato love Equality so much?
Communality or Equality
Socialism and
Individuality
It is natural enough to begin the analysis of this social ideal by elucidating the interrelationship of its various elements. It is immediately clear they do not play an equal role. For example, Plato argues for the necessity of communal property and wives, since only under these conditions will the citizens take joy in and grieve over the same things. In other words, he considers the communality of property and the abolition of the family as means for achieving equality. He regards equality, however, not in the usual sense of equality of rights or opportunities, but as identity of behavior, as the equalization of personalities. Both these traits–the abolition of private property and of the family as a means to achieve equality, and this special understanding of equality–run through the majority of socialist teachings.
The view that equality is the basic principle from which other socialist doctrines proceed played an especially large role in the gnostic sects. “God’s justice consists of community and equality”–such a proposition was used to justify both the abolition of private property and the demand for communal wives. This theme can be traced in the medieval heresies and the doctrines of the Reformation. Niklaus Storch preached: “Everything should be common, for God sent all into the world equally naked.” Müntzer taught: “No one should rise above others; every man must be free, and there should be community of property.” Citing Plato, More asserted that those laws are best that provide for “distributing all the good things of life among all equally,” and deduced the need for communality of property. Meslier writes that “all people are equal by nature” and also deduces the necessity of abolishing private property.
One of the most striking features of socialist ideology is that quite special sense which it attributes to the concept of equality. We have already pointed this out in connection with the rationale for communality of property, of wives and children proposed by Plato. And later, in the majority of socialist doctrines, we encounter a conception of equality which approaches that of identity. Dwelling lovingly on the details, authors have described the characteristic monotony and unification of life in the state of the future.
http://robertlstephens.com/essays/shafarevich/001SocialistPhenomenon.html#pagestart_258
For all his formulation of the Transcendentals: The True, The Good and the Beautiful.
It seems from that same mind and demonic influence came Socialism/Communism. Which is in reality contrary to those Transcendentals.
Was “Gulliver’s Travels” a serious political treatise? Why did Plato write dialogues? Who is the protagonist of his dialogues? The antagonists? Who speaks for Plato in the 35 dialogues? Who speaks for Shakespeare? Hamlet? Iago?
Foolishness. All of the intelligence on a site like this is unable to understand ironic writing, as well as the political conditions in which a book is written — to say nothing of the historical personages who appear in the dialogues, none of whom signify anything to any modern, because they are ignorant of 99% of the content of the book.
If a monkey stares into the New Testament, he sees a monkey, not Christ. The same is true of those with vapid, high-school tier takes on Plato.
I am no genius, but something smelled off about i’s take on Plato. Don’t paint us all with the same brush. i has a developing track record that is… less than trustworthy. Previously, he shared a bunch of “proof” that was just Cathedral propaganda. This is on top of a reputation for blue pill tinted positions on women.
@Dunning Kruger
What’s your take on Plato’s Republic then?
None of my thoughts on that is quite original since I also watch Jay Dyer and have read the article I quoted.
The Republic is about the meaning of justice with the ideal city/state being a metaphor Socrates comes up to support his point. What exactly is Plato being ironic about?
The only good thing Plato produced was Aristotle.
LOOOOOOOL
https://hiddencomplexity.substack.com/p/the-long-lasting-drug-shortage
Ruh-Roh Shaggy, Adderall shortage incoming! Man, wouldn’t it be terribly inconvenient if your whole control mechanism was predicated on a bunch of midwit overachievers who need Adderall to function…
OK, here is what was offered up by the Regulars (& friends ;):
The Jim Says Reading List (JSRL)
https://blog.reaction.la/politics/make-women-property-again/
https://blog.reaction.la/war/how-to-genocide-inferior-kinds-in-a-properly-christian-manner/
https://blog.reaction.la/economics/throne-altar-and-freehold/
https://blog.reaction.la/culture/the-optics-of-noticing/
https://reaction.la/confess.htm
https://blog.reaction.la/culture/murray-on-the-decline-of-marriage/
https://blog.reaction.la/politics/left-political-singularity/
https://blog.reaction.la/science/leftism-as-cancer/
https://blog.reaction.la/culture/game-dark-enlightenment-and-reaction/
https://blog.reaction.la/economics/the-disastrous-effects-of-females-in-power/
https://blog.reaction.la/faith/the-resurrection-of-god/
https://blog.reaction.la/culture/lancelot-guinevere-romance-and-the-red-blue-purple-black-and-white-pills/
https://blog.reaction.la/party-politics/the-real-election-platform/
https://blog.reaction.la/uncategorized/the-ruling-underclass/
https://blog.reaction.la/culture/guns-ideas-fashion-and-military-parades/
Additionally, here’re some thoughts from Neurotoxin:
1. Democracy is not a long-run tenable system. People have been making this point for centuries if not millennia, but the “Jimian†description of the problem is more modern than someone commenting on ancient Rome or whatever.
2. The analytical perspective of evolutionary psychology-cum-game theory.
3. The application of this perspective to all the sex stuff. Female psych, etc.
4. The phrase “social technology.â€
Certain laws and customs regarding marriage, for example. Property rights are another example. This is one of those phrases that just clicks when you first encounter it and makes you wonder why someone didn’t coin it a long time ago.
5. In the last couple of years there was a post on the social effects of widespread acceptance of homosexuality. A poster (I forget who) originally wrote it and Jim turned it into a post, IIRC.
6. Holiness spirals/signaling spirals/purity spirals. I don’t think Jim originated the term, but this blog is probably one of the key nodes for spreading the concept.
7. The insistence on modeling the left for what it is – a bunch of evil people, briefly – and only paying attention to the left’s “ideas†as is necessary for practical purposes. The comments thread from the last year in which we all tried to define the damned thing has some great stuff. A note I made to myself: “At https://blog.reaction.la/party-politics/end-of-pretence-of-democracy-rescheduled-to-2024/
HerbR provides a good list of definitions of leftism…â€
As usual, the brightest minds do the least work (loljk but srs). I think these points are good, but “we” need to dig up some links to go with them for the purposes of the JSRL. So here’s the game plan:
I know this is not all of Jim’s best work. If you have something, want something, or think of something, that needs to be added, leave a comment with a link to it and put ADDITION at the top.
We need to settle on a structure. I think Neuro-‘s is actually pretty good, but my original plan was to do a “trichotomy” structure, meaning 3 main topics and 3 subtopics each, with 3 further levels if needed. This is a creative and aesthetic choice that will aggravate certain autists and completists, but if we don’t set up some kind of limiting mechanic, we’ll just end up copy/pastaing the blog and that’s not really the point. So, if you think his idea, or my idea, is good or terrible, leave a comment saying so with META at the top. If you have a different suggestion, use the META marker and tell us what it is.
The goal I have set for myself is to create a Document that encapsulates Jimian Theory. My plan is to keep collecting suggested readings for a bit longer, then read/re-read through every single one and build a summary of each. These summaries will then be organized in whatever meta-structure we decide* and the whole of the document will be compiled. Links to each foundational post will be appended to the document (or fully incorporated depending on what This Thing actually turns out being), and that will be the reading list.
So, that’s where we stand. Feel free to comment, critique, or contribute, but if you aren’t a regular, you should add a blurb to explain why Jim’s Regulars** should give your opinion any credence. The Markers META and ADDITION are merely a tool to help me stay organized and a small insurance policy that suggestions don’t get missed.
Get cracking, faggots. This monarchy ain’t going to restore itself.
*…and if you faggots get all democratic on me, I’m just going to do whatever I want, so endeavor to abstain from plebian faggotry.)
**Jim’s Irregulars is NOT a pacifist militia that DOES NOT meet at the Elk’s lodge every third Tuesday in downtown Dayton.
Thanks, KD. This is mighty helpful.
Trump’s arrest is coming very soon now. They need a reason that the Democrats suddenly won the mid terms rather than getting killed by Biden’s unpopularity.
Put a date on it, if ye have the balls. I think January. The Cathedral likes January. Maybe February, that is the high holy month.
October or early Nov, assuming they don’t launch a FF terrorist attack.
If they think they’ve got an absolute lock on elections now, they can arrest him whenever they want. Arresting Trump and then giving themselves a 99% vote share would, in their bizarre minds, be a propaganda victory. “See, everyone hates him; the voters love us for arresting him!”
If they have their doubts about just how fortified elections are, they’ll wait until after the mid-term elections.
Maybe Severian at founding questions is right. These are not evil masterminds. They are evil all right. But they’re just Juggalos. Taking on Russia, China, Europe and Legacy Americans at the same time. That is just what Juggalos do. They can’t help themselves
Anglin has a great essay featured at unz.com.
https://www.unz.com/aanglin/germany-is-a-bitch-country-us-destroys-their-entire-industry-they-just-sit-there-and-take-it/
Some excerpts.
Woke jews, man. Always amusing, never funny.
Anglin is right, BTW. The Euro backlash is going to be… profound.
OK, I’ll play along. But don’t tell the chicks; I want them to think I’m a rule-breaking rebel.
ADDITION:
Here’s the gay link I referred to:
https://blog.reaction.la/culture/gay-needs-to-be-suppressed/
(The original comment that Jim expanded into this post is at https://blog.reaction.la/war/the-general-flynn-affair/#comment-2114199 and it was posted by someone calling himself “2019 is boring.â€)
BTW, it wasn’t difficult to find this; I typed homosexuality into the search bar and it’s the second hit.
“my original plan was to do a “trichotomy†structure, meaning 3 main topics and 3 subtopics each, with 3 further levels if needed.â€
This reminds me of Arthur C. Clarke’s (speaking of gays) Rendezvous with Rama, in which the aliens did everything in threes.
ADDITION:
Jim on holiness spirals.
https://blog.reaction.la/culture/review-of-left-singularities/
There’s more than one link one this topic, natch; more later.
Key paragraph:
ADDITION:
More Jim on holiness spirals:
Also https://blog.reaction.la/science/leftism-as-cancer/
The key sentence is the first one: “Leftism is to memes as cancer is genes.â€
(Key mistake, IMHO: “Non state apostates are harmless, since their belief systems are not selected for propagation by power. The problem is state and quasi state apostasy.â€
I find myself more radical than Jim here. The SJW phenomenon was a real problem, even before it had penetrated the institutions of state power. It propagated by holiness, not power, at first, but eventually infiltrated the mechanisms of state power. It was certainly dangerous to people like us when it was teaching every college student that all white people are inherently evil, etc. Indeed, the propagation of that vileness outside the state was what allowed it to spread enough to eventually take over the state.)
That counts as state power; the university system exists to indoctrinate people in the state religion.
Jim is talking about stuff like the Amish, ultra-Orthodox Jews, communes, peasant heresies, etc. Or as 1984 put it- proles and animals are free.
I can easily imagine a world with no government loans for education, no research grants to professors, etc., in which the educational system would be much smaller, but the ultra-extreme leftism is the same.
“the university system exists to indoctrinate people in the state religion.”
But it didn’t. When the “men and white people are evil” thing started in the universities, it wasn’t the state religion.
“I can easily imagine a world with no government loans for education, no research grants to professors, etc., in which the educational system would be much smaller, but the ultra-extreme leftism is the same.”
How? Colleges were founded to train clergy- the equivalent of colleges totally independent of the state are trade schools. Everything else is reliant on some way or another to the state.
“But it didn’t. When the “men and white people are evil†thing started in the universities, it wasn’t the state religion.”
If it was heretical, it would have been crushed. It was a purer version of the current state faith so inevitably displaced the old version.
Was the state religion.
That state religion was in power in the nineteenth century. It is now the twenty first century. Ebonics predates Froude.
The rhetoric and doctrine of Victorianism that men are evil, so the old constraints on female immorality are wicked, unnecessary and inappropriate. First wave feminism was premised on men being evil. Burke’s barratry against the the East India company was premised on white people are evil.
Maleness and whiteness have been deemed evil for a very long time – it is just that the self hatred only recently turned genocidal. It used to be mitigated by a multitude of unprincipled exceptions and little hypocrisies, but the state religion has been purged of these little hypocrisies and unprincipled exceptions one by one, leaving bare the naked core of flaming demonic self destructive evil.
S, Jim.
What made it the state religion specifically?
All this rancid leftism was spreading in the educational system while, IIRC, the FBI was still hunting down commies and the Black Panthers, the Weathermen, etc. Admittedly, my knowledge of this period is fuzzy.
To come at it from another angle: By what empirical test would we identify a state religion? It has to avoid S statement, “If it was heretical, it would have been crushed,” which is circular. I guess I had in mind something like, What the state prosecutes is definitely not the state religion.
Although now that I think of it, the right of white people and men, and white men, to engage in free association has been under attack for a long time, in a way that was very asymmetrically enforced.
Hmm.
Schools and universities always have been run and always will be run by the State Church. Before the war of Northern Aggression, this was open and official. After the war of Northern Aggression, it was denied in order to pretend compliance with the first amendment.
Before the war of Northern Aggression, each state had its own state Church, and the vatican of New England’s state Church was openly and officially Harvard.
After the war of Northern Aggression, the United States had one state church, and its vatican is still Harvard.
“Schools and universities always have been run and always will be run by the State Church.”
I cannot sign on to this, Jim. You’re saying that whatever is taught in the formal educational system is the state religion, by definition.
We need an empirical definition of the state religion, a definition that would actually allow us to ask the question, “Is what’s being taught in the schools the state religion?” Your approach rules out this entire question by definition.
Kunning, thanks for that. Will look at it when I have a second.
“We need an empirical definition of the state religion, a definition that would actually allow us to ask the question, “Is what’s being taught in the schools the state religion?†Your approach rules out this entire question by definition.”
Government run educational institutions exist to indoctrinate the next generation in the official ideology. What would they even look like if they didn’t do that?
For someone who claims to be a rightist, you sure believe a lot of Cathedral propaganda. The FBI was completely unable to determine that the Anti Vietnam War movement why being funded by the Soviet Union. The cash came in in diplomatic bags and then was handed directly off by members of the Soviet diplomatic staff directly to anti war groups in public. Obviously the FBI knew it was going on and obviously they were told to ignore it.
The FBI utterly failed to watch Lee Harvey Oswald a man who defected to the Soviet Union, came back, worked with the Communist party and Soviet Agents in the US, and spread Communist propaganda everywhere. JFK was his second assassination attempt, the first was an attempt on a righting general.
https://www.history.com/news/lee-harvey-oswald-other-target
The black panthers went around murdering white men and gang raping white women and the FBI ignored them. They only got involved once the local cops started hammering black panther groups and most of their actions always seemed to result in short sentences or dismissed charges.
The FBI went after the weathermen after they bombed congress and the pentagon, but they were quickly told to drop the charges.
“For someone who claims to be a rightist, you sure believe a lot of Cathedral propaganda.”
Well I did say, “Admittedly, my knowledge of this period is fuzzy”!
Your points are believable – they’re consistent with the overall modern pattern – so I stand corrected on them.
Aside from that, what’s this “a lot of Cathedral propaganda” that you claim I believe?
You believe the Cathedral outer party propaganda that the left marched through the institutions when in reality they’ve controlled them since the civil war. Leftist ideas come from the universities and always have. I personally observed the first push of white privilege theory at the school I went to. It wasn’t thought up by students, rather it was handed down from the top of the university.
Your knowledge of history is suspect and appear consist mostly of official cathedral propaganda. It’s unusual to have an intelligent person on the right who hasn’t done a vigorous study of history in order to root out the leftist lies and figure out how things really work. That’s how most of us ended up on the right.
How did you end up on the right?
“You believe the Cathedral outer party propaganda that the left marched through the institutions when in reality they’ve controlled them since the civil war.”
No since Woodrow Wilson mostly and lock stock and barrel since FDR but I disagree they controlled them at the time of the civil war. The leftists radical republicans badly lost the initial power struggle (like a complete rout) with the business republicans after the civil war. They didn’t even have any influence until Teddy Roosevelt and no real power until Woodrow Wilson.
They controlled the universities and the churches. That’s a lot of influence.
“You believe the Cathedral outer party propaganda that the left marched through the institutions…”
I’ve never actually said this… but since you now bring it up, I do in fact believe it… on the manifestly undeniable grounds that it’s true.
“…when in reality they’ve controlled them since the civil war.”
You want to argue over when exactly they started marching through the institutions? That’s your hard-core muscle flex?
As the old joke has it: “Now we’re just haggling over the price.”
“How did you end up on the right?”
A friend gave me a copy of Ayn Rand’s Anthem when I was 16.
And you?
To get back to the point:
We can’t pre-define some list of forums as being “state religion forums†and just let it slide whenever anyone says “White people deserve to be genocided†or whatever outside those forums. Whenever and wherever such rhetoric appears, if we have the power to do so, we must firmly quell it.
What Charles the Second did is first and foremost, purge the state church, giving all priests and everyone in a state or quasi state priestly occupation a shill test the size of an open book exam, and, outside the state Church, when the Puritans assembled a mob to attack those going along with restored state belief system, they got the treatment, but when Puritans were attacked by the mob, the state was strangely lethargic and ineffectual in restoring order.
In other words, he did exactly what today’s state church is doing.
Worked then, works now. The Anglosphere state Church has been doing it that way all the way back that I can find records.
He directly granted certain people and institutions status in his role as the fount of all honors, mortal and divine, and backed up official status by selective tolerance of violence, for nothing is higher status than beating people up with impunity, and nothing is lower status than being beaten up with impunity.
Undeniable? Hardly.
The Cathedral came to total power under FDR. They made an attempt at total power after the civil war and failed, made an attempt with WW1 and failed. Once they had total power in what you believe as marching through institutions was simply changing of the guard from the less radical leftists to the more radical leftists with the push for more radicalism coming from the top down.
There’s been periods of push back against this changing of the guard but it’s always done by leftists not wanting to be replaced by the more radical sort.
Civil war was total power for and earlier version of the Cathedral. It is just that the insanity has been steadily escalating, but if you dig back to the early nineteenth century, the current insanity is right there, moderated by unprincipled exceptions, doublethink, and doubletalk.
“All men are created equal”. Bullshit.
In 1865 they were worried about under represented groups in Academia and were gaming and dumbing down the admission criteria. If all men are created equal, cannot have some categories of men failing the entrance criteria in unequal numbers.
“outside the state Church, when the Puritans assembled a mob to attack those going along with restored state belief system, they got the treatment, but when Puritans were attacked by the mob, the state was strangely lethargic and ineffectual in restoring order.â€
Works for me. This is something like what needs to be done today. That’s exactly my point.
I think this is a fascinating and worthy discussion with good points on both sides, but Neuro-, I wanted to give you a link that covers the 70s:
https://status451.com/2017/01/20/days-of-rage/
That is an excellent introduction to the realization of just how mutilated our common-culture perspective of the era is. Prior to reading that (and other) piece, I had a very naïve perspective of the 1950s, 60s, and 70s. Start with that, and work forward with the assumption that Nixon was completely innocent* of that with which he’s been assailed by Society. You might begin to see just how converged institutions already were at the time. Sprinkle this video in for flavor: https://youtu.be/ZOtinTlx7yo
*Nixon was guilty of much, but Watergate was a complete Spook, Gordon Liddy was leftist trash, and everything we “know” about the era is almost the opposite of the truth.
“Once they had total power in what you believe as marching through institutions was simply changing of the guard from the less radical leftists to the more radical leftistsâ€
They did march through the goddam institutions. Aside from the sheer obviousness of this, listen to what the left themselves were saying to each other when they thought no one else was listening. They explicitly stated that this was their plan.
As to the rest: You can’t argue that the Older Left got pushed out of the universities by the Newer Left without conceding my point. The more radical variant of the left was not the state religion at that time. That’s exactly why, having sprouted outside the universities, they then infiltrated them and pushed the older variants out.
Bullshit. No one marched through the goddam institutions.
The institutions marched through them.
Havard marched, and now has nearly conquered the world, but nobody marched through Harvard. Harvard has always been the anglosphere left, and the anglosphere left has always been Harvard.
Way back, the Puritans argued the holiest should get the Bishoprics. Once they succeeded, then everyone set about being holier than the next guy. After the English civil war was there never a distinctive group with unchanging ideology ascending to power. Rather the left was continuously in power, (got kicked out of England, landed in New England) and its ideology continuously became more radical as one unprincipled exception after another was discarded, one little hypocrisy after another was called out. It was one continuous group, one continuous organization, all the way back to the priests thrown out of the Church of England.
Other examples, because this annoys me:
There are different variants of Christianity, but Catholicism was NOT the state religion of England after Henry VIII told the Catholic Church to eff off. You can’t say “They’re all variants of Christianity, therefore they’re all the state religion.†Total and obvious bullshit.
Was Catholicism the state religion of England after Henry kicked its ass out of England and England was still Christian?
When the USSR was officially Marxist, was Trotsky’s variant of Marxism also the USSR’s state religion? There’s an ice axe embedded in his skull that says not.
Obviously Anglican Church was the state religion of England after Henry the eighth. What is your point.
We always have a state religion.
Nixon was guilty of nothing. He did the same thing that the elites did and they tried to destroy him because he wasn’t a leftist shithead.
Leninism was the official state religion. Then Stalin overthrew the state and adopted an emperor worship cult officially rooted in Marxist theory. The state religion began to die at that point. Khrushchev tried to bring back Marxism but it was already dead.
“Bullshit. No one marched through the goddam institutions.”
I’ll see your “bullshit” and raise. The left goddam well did march through the institutions. Can’t believe anyone would deny it. Hell, even the left admits it, when they’re not watching their words.
Commie propaganda, enemy lies. The left lies barefaced when they claim they marched through the institutions.
They tell you they were not in power back then, the same way they tell you they are not in power right now. They are lying about reality now, lying that they are not in power now, and when they say they marched through the institutions, they are not quite admitting that they are in power now while they are lying that they were not in power back then.
They claim they were a revolutionary outside force oppressed by power back then, and they also claim they are a revolutionary outside force oppressed by power today.
It is their pretense of being a revolutionary movement from below, rather than an imposition from above.
They never marched through the institutions. They were the institutions. They were then and they are now. The left’s rhetoric is always power from below, and the left reality is always power from above. It is not only that way now, it has been that way for centuries. They talk like that right now and it is an obvious lie. When they talk about what happened a century ago, you think they are telling the truth?
The only other person I see pushing the “March through the institutions” narrative is Anonymous Fake, who is clearly getting paid to tell that story and supervised to make sure he tells it. He tells us there is no power from above, when it is completely obvious he is an agent for power from above.
Me: “Was Catholicism the state religion of England after Henry kicked its ass out of England and England was still Christian?”
Jim: “Obviously Anglican Church was the state religion of England after Henry the eighth. What is your point.”
One can’t say, “X and Y are variants of the same basic memeplex, therefore if X is the state religion, then Y is also the state religion.”
Anglican and Catholic are both variants of Christianity, but that doesn’t mean that in Anglican England, Catholicism was the state religion!
Also, regarding the revolution devours its own (which is true) you, and I guess all of us, must decide whether getting your ass kicked for advocating X means you are, or aren’t, part of the state religion.
So who is saying that?
In what way is someone’s argument logically equivalent to that? Explain. Who are you addressing, what point or claim of his are you addressing?
It’s not commie propaganda! It’s the opposite of their propaganda line, which is:
“The universities aren’t in control of the left. College professors are brilliant, disinterested experts. Anyone who says they’re leftist is some sort of right-wing anti-science conspiracy theorist.â€
They only admit they infiltrated the educational system (etc.) in unguarded moments.
Are you fucking kidding me?! Every person on the right except for you and Red says this!
Seriously, did you just get back from a trip to Tau Ceti? Go to some normie right-wing site – any normie right-wing site – and ask in the comments, What happened in the universities starting in the 1960s. Literally every person who responds will say what I’ve been saying.
For fuck’s sake, Jim. But good, maybe I can pick up some spare cash. HEY SOROS! HOW ABOUT SENDING SOME OF THAT MONEY MY WAY! I’ll tell Jim’s blog the left infiltrated the universities from without!
I’m somewhat in agreement with NT on this… leftists may have controlled universities before the 60s but they were far less fanatical.
The left tried to destroy the entire country in the 60s and 70s by legalizing crime and criminalizing self defense. The push back came in the form of Regan and Regan and his very first target was the universities.
Leftist are always getting more fanatical. That’s the nature of their movement. They only calm down when they get real push back. Or at least they used to calm down before they made rigging elections normal. They started losing elections hard for a while there, which is why they rolled part of that program back in the 90s.
I’m pretty convinced that NT is on the right. Repeating the sort of bullshit that Instapundit or Lindsey Graham as some sort of appeal to consensus is redistrict. He’s never read Moldbug.
Isn’t on the right*
Me:
Jim: “So who is saying that?”
You and Red are both saying that, unless I’m radically misunderstanding. You’re both arguing that the variant of the left circa (say) 1970 that (I claim) infiltrated the universities was not actually “infiltrating” anything, because those 1970 leftists were members of the state religion, which controlled the universities when the infiltration started.
I’m saying this: Even if I concede that Harvard – founded in the 1600s – was leftist in its day, that doesn’t mean those 1970s leftists were part of its state religion.
It is incomprehensibly absurd to interpret us as saying that.
2004 Obama was born in Kenya, 2008 Obama opposed gay marriage. 2022 Republicans are unable to oppose faggot schoolteachers sexually mutilating schoolchildren.
Was this a march through the institutions?
The same people and the same organizations changed their positions, each person trying to be holier than the other.
This is not an underground religion that marched through the institutions from below. We did not get a new state religion between 2008 and 2022. This is the same state religion, endlessly purifying its position, the same powerful people endlessly moving left. An outside group did not take over these institutions between 2008 and 2016. Who was marching through the institutions between 2008 and 2016?
The movement left in 1800-1808 took place in exactly the same way as the movement left in 2008-2016. No marching involved, no change in state religion involved. This is the same state religion Charles the first kicked out of the Church of England. No marching through the institutions happened in 2008-2016. What would give you the idea it happened in any other decade?
Red: “I’m pretty convinced that NT is [not] on the right… He’s never read Moldbug.”
I have read Moldbug, you twatwaffle. Talk about making claims without evidence!
You haven’t read Moldbug. You attacked Moldbug’s weakest areas like Jewing out over the Nazis and his insane Libertarianish solutions to problems but you didn’t read what he wrote about how the universities work. Instead you rely upon the lies of controlled opposition to inform yourself how things in the past worked.
You whined about Moldbug not presenting footnotes, but you’ve failed to present any evidence to support your assertions on Universities. You’re just another useful idiot.
Kids graduate college far more progressive and sjw than when they enter. Seniors in high school are more progressive than freshman.
The causal role in this is the schools. I’m not sure how it could be any different, or how it could ever have been any different. Not how power works.
Another way is imagine a bunch of rightists trying to do the same bottom up takeover. Would not last 5 minutes.
“You haven’t read Moldbug. You attacked Moldbug’s weakest areas like Jewing out over the Nazis and his insane Libertarianish solutions to problems…”
I think somebody’s a Moldbug fanboi who’s butthurt that his guru got his legs kicked out from under him. Don’t worry; there will be other gurus.
Jim and red have touched on the rest…
“To come at it from another angle: By what empirical test would we identify a state religion? It has to avoid S statement, “If it was heretical, it would have been crushed,†which is circular. I guess I had in mind something like, What the state prosecutes is definitely not the state religion.”
It isn’t circular. If you are part of a movement to take power, the movement is known and the state doesn’t move to crush it, it isn’t heretical. Heresy is that which will have the secret police crack down upon you.
“Heresy is that which will have the secret police crack down upon you.”
That’s better. Note that’s it’s not the same as “whatever is in the universities is the state religion by assumption.”
When a holiness spiral is going, what the state prosecutes usually is the state religion. The revolution devours its children.
“Leninism was the official state religion. Then Stalin overthrew the state and adopted an emperor worship cult officially rooted in Marxist theory. The state religion began to die at that point.”
One variant of Marxism was the state religion. Another variant of Marxism got an ice ax shoved through your skull.
So don’t give me this “If one variant of X is the state religion, then all variants of X are the state religion” crap.
No one is giving you that crap. Who is the interlocutor who is supposedly giving you that crap, and in what way is his argument supposedly that?
You are making an unexplained logical leap somewhere. You have to fill in the intermediate steps and explain where you are starting from.
You appear to think you are making a point, but I have absolutely no idea what point you are making or who you are addressing. You need to fill in the intermediate steps.
Who is saying that?
Is that your claim, or your interlocutor’s claim? If your interlocutor’s claim, which interlocutor are you addressing, and where did he make it?
Are you ridiculing someone’s argument, or making an argument?
“So don’t give me this “If one variant of X is the state religion, then all variants of X are the state religion†crap.”
You are comparing a system with Stalin to one without. If there is a single man in charge, attempts to be more holy will be run into bullets and icepicks. This kills leftist faiths and allows normal faiths to flourish.
If there isn’t anyone incharge and being more holy gets you power the more holy variants will be part of the state religion- until one of them wins and the others are declared rightist. Then the cycle repeats itself until Stalin appears or everyone is murdered.
“Who is the interlocutor who is supposedly giving you that crap, and in what way is his argument supposedly that?”
You and/or Red, though I think I had Red in mind when I wrote that. Details & quotes to follow, but I need to review the discussion first.
Jim, 2022-10-11 at 14:19
(Jim quotes me quoting Red):
Jim: “Who is saying that?â€
Answer: Red said it, at 2022-10-11 at 05:16. I was quoting him.
hence the need for a total solution to the leftist problem.
I know a guy who’s at least as radical as you on that topic.
at least as based as me other topic.
You were around in 1820?
The Social Justice Warrior phenomenon is state power.
Caesar gives the priesthood a pile of goodies. So who gets the goodies? A bunch of heretics pop up and announce that the very holiest should get the goodies, and they are the holiest. Maybe they get executed, maybe they get burned at the stake. Or maybe they get the goodies.
If they get the goodies, immediately a new heresy will pop up that is an even holier version of the previous heresy. And in due course, that heresy was “Social Justice”
Me: “The SJW phenomenon was a real problem, even before it had penetrated the institutions of state power”
Jim: “You were around in 1820?”
This made me laugh, and I may use it sometime in realspace, just to see the expression on people’s faces… but come on. In 1820 it was regarded as obvious that white folks are superior to black folks. (As least, it was regarded as obvious among white people.) “White people suck” was definitely not the state religion.
It was not regarded as obvious. It was and is obvious.
Power was pushing hard against the obvious in 1820.
“It was not regarded as obvious. It was and is obvious.”
I know. I didn’t say it was false!
I know = I know you think that.
As to whether Thomas Jefferson was leftist, I’m of two minds about it. Obviously he was a radical revolutionary who overthrew the existing order. But he also advocated extremely limited government, which is like acid poured on the entire leftist project. Remember, all they care about is power.
The first, second, fourth and fifth amendments are extremely anti-leftist.
Never mind, will continue the Jefferson thing elsewhere in this thread.
I looked up Thomas Jefferson’s wiki last week, not really knowing a lot about him. He was a progressive priest that was holier than the previous generation of priests. He was the precursor to the SJWs. He wanted to be the bandit, and lied about it. He was only interested in serving himself.
I’m sure among responsible God fearing men the differences between blacks and whites was obvious. But it didn’t stop the priesthood from looting the country, on behalf of progressivism.
The rot goes back a long way.
“But it didn’t stop the priesthood from looting the country, on behalf of progressivism.”
I’m not exactly sure what you’re referencing here. But any priesthood that was looting the country during Jefferson’s life was not doing so on “white people suck” grounds.
No they did not say that outright at the time. Jefferson was on the same path though. If he lived another 200 years he would have gotten there all the same. He was advancing the same holiness spiral.
I can see the point that Jefferson was a leftist. Really, I get it. There was an established monarchy. He tried and succeeded to overthrow it. And this increased his status and power, in a way that was foreseeable.
If I stop there, then I say, okay, leftist.
And yet… the Constitution he helped to draft is ridiculously anti-leftist in many ways. The basic leftist project is (1) take over the state (along with everything else), and (2) make the state all-powerful.
The first five amendments (the third is sort of whatever) are really, genuinely hostile to the leftist project. Not merely, they seem hostile in today’s political context, but they really are inimical to the leftist project. To be sure, they’re largely dead-letter law at this point, but it’s not as if Jefferson et al could have foreseen that.
Look , there are a fuck-ton of people who believe that stuff about limiting the government. I know because I used to be one of them; I was a libertarian for more than a quarter of a century! I believed that it could work. Pretty sure that most or all of the Founding Fathers also thought so.
This make me want to say, radically anti-leftist.
The left has no project. If you think they have a project, you are listening to the magician’s patter when you should be watching the magician’s off hand.
Leftism has no essence, it is just a coalition to knock over the apple cart in order to grab some of the apples, so “lefter” is whatever direction looks like some apples could be knocked loose. “Lefter” could be almost anything, head off in almost any direction, depending on fashion, opportunity, and perceived vulnerability of people managing apple carts. When the devil is in chains, the rhetoric is freedom, when we are in chains, the rhetoric is the need for submission to magic ritual of Fauci.
I know the left has no project in the sense of goals they actually care about (“feeding the poor,” “protecting the environment,” etc.). What I mean is, they want power. That is the real leftist project.
The words in the documents say some things that sound sort of rightish. But more than anything they say that power is in the hands of priests, and absolutely will stay in the hands of priests. We are the priests, and we are the bandits now.
Best case you could say they tried to make sure there was a balance of priestly power.
Look at the demons they had to worship to get the power to overthrow the Kings rule. A warrior would have just said fuck this nigger king let’s kill him and take his shit. I am the new king, I am the bandit. For me, it’s easier to respect that, than all the bullshit rhetoric these priests came up with to seize power.
I don’t really have a big problem with what they did as far as morality. It’s a big world and we are all trying to get our piece of it. How they did it though and the rhetoric is what I find morally offensive. Those are the seeds of todays western liberal democracies. Like just be honest about wanting power and why. They didn’t need the cover of liberalism.
“The words in the documents say some things that sound sort of rightish. But more than anything they say that power is in the hands of priests, and absolutely will stay in the hands of priests… Best case you could say they tried to make sure there was a balance of priestly power.”
The Constitution not only builds checks and balances into the structure of the government, it also seriously limits what the government is allowed to do. The first Amendment alone is breathtakingly radical in that respect.
Of course, vast swathes of the Constitution have become “optional guidelines” for the left, but Jefferson et al couldn’t foreseen that. They sincerely tried.
“In 1820 it was regarded as obvious that white folks are superior to black folks. (As least, it was regarded as obvious among white people.) “White people suck†was definitely not the state religion.”
(Jeopardy voice)
What is the Enlightenment?
Our problems are older than you think. Even in the 1500s, Europeans had men venerating savages in order to display superior “piety”. Ex Bartolomeo De Las Casas
https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2018/10/a-loving-ambivalence
ADDITION:
The most recent link I found on the female evo psych stuff, apart from the post before this current one:
https://blog.reaction.la/politics/make-women-property-again/
Looks like the Crimean Bridge has been successfully attacked.
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1578605975979708416
Either Russia nuts up and starts fighting this war in earnest or my nation gets genocided for the 3rd or 4th time in the last century. Not looking good, but I’m holding out hope.
War is not a game where you play nice. You need to be just as ruthless or more ruthless than your foes. Russian leadership hasn’t learn this lesson, yet.
“Russian leadership hasn’t learn this lesson, yet.”
Surely they must have, after the hell of a twentieth century that Russia went through. I simply can’t process that a country could go through what Russia went through from WWI through the end of the Cold War and not learn something.
That’s kind of white pilling, now that I think of it. It makes me raise my estimated probability that Russia’s leadership actually has a strategy in mind, and isn’t just winging it.
From my sideline keyboard warrior perspective looks like Russia has a solid, almost boringly predictable strategy: play your strong cards, but play them cautiously. First dip a toe in the water, then the foot, then the leg, and only plunge in when all other options are worn out.
Typing that out makes me realize nukes are more likely than not…
It looks like they do not war with NATO until they have a much better position. Besides the bad practice of leaving your people to be butchered by Ukraine, this is all good. They attrit more and more Ukrainians every day, consume Western military hardware that cannot be replaced, squeeze the Euro economy to death, and let the American economy decay. It also gives Russia time to adapt to their disconnection from the Western economies.
In February, the US military had a significantly larger munitions stockpile. In February, America had the only blooded military. In February, America had more prestige on the world stage. Today, that is all shifting. Look at the logistical advantage enjoyed by both sides, and how that has shifted over the course of the war. The rest of the world is seeing Russia as the strong horse here, or why would OPEC cut production right before the US midterms?
They sense blood in the water.
We should be on the look out for a significant ramping of propaganda, that will be a signal that the Cathedral is losing its hold.
GAE/NATO is getting desperate and ready to make their move. What month is it now? October? Is that not pretty close to winter in Russia? What could go wrong attacking Russia in winter?
I don’t know much about modern Russia, but the few Russian guys I read on twitter seem to think the government was trying to virtue signal by proving how much better they are at human rights than the GAE. That makes it very likely Russia will lose if their leadership generally believes in the woke faith from 1990.
On the positive note the new guy in charge of the war is the same general who won in Syria and is distinctly against these sort of collapsing retreats due to the effect on troop morale. Attrition is a good idea, but it’s best to make it a slow grinding process and not a run away process where the troops feel like they’re always losing. Russia is going to take more casualties to make it happen, but it should work better than the current strategy.
Couldn’t this just be GAE propaganda? Do we have to take this at face value? What are Russia Today and Pravda saying about this? What is Chinese media saying about this?
For what it is worth, the Indian media is bifurcated. There is the corporate media that is aligned with the US and thinks Russia is getting a bloody nose. Then there is the independent media which thinks Russia is doing just A-okay. Here are some examples
1. Russia has destroyed UKR economy for all time to come: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnKau4EBhA0
2. Putin is a foreign politcy mastermind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I5fUQRFJ_g
3. GAE is running out of weapons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc8RnnE6F-A
4. Ukraine Shrinks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AylNGW5AB0
So much for the English language Indian media.
Then there is a vernacular media in Indian languages which also seem to think that Putin is doing alright. But did not post as no one would understand the content. But in general, they suggest that Russia is using this conflict to train all it’s troops and get them all combat experience.
“The Russian cries out in pain as he strikes you”
“Not a jew” but definitely a fed shill or polack of some kind.
False flags come before the war, not in the middle of it. Especially ones that the Ukrainian government is celebrating with postage stamps.
So was this posted before the missiles or…?
Bridge first, missiles in response.
Too many people are talking about the bridge itself. What is more interesting is that now we have proof that LGBTWTFism is a religion now capable of producing suicide bombers. But not babies. And also, assassinating philosophers, sabotaging nuclear power plants, drafting 60 year olds, and getting rich from selling the organs of wounded soldiers who mysteriously always seem to die in Ukrainian hospitals. And they do this to the mass approval of the West, in politics as much as on Twitter.
In Jewish terms, it’s just about time to kill Amalek. It’s holy war time, bring enough salt for all the earth. No more mercy.
In America, I suppose all we can do is vote Republican. That’s it…
It is unlikely that the man driving the truck knew the truck was full of explosives. The explosion was remote triggered by the man in front videoing the event.
It merely shows that LGBTWTFism is a religion now capable of murdering people in large numbers, something we have known since they attempted to genocide the Tutsi in Rwanda and successfully genocided the Tutsi in the Congo.
Says it all
https://nitter.net/pic/orig/media%2FFehtXoPWYAAsts5.png
Says nothing. It’s so tiresome, having preached archive links for years, and everyone is just too fucking lazy.
Use IPFS hased content addresses if you want real futureproofing. Its a more fragmented approach to data management and archival, built upon the same technique bittorrent uses. No good fee servers that I know of though, you’d have to pin content yourself and possibly even open a gateway.
Don’t possibly see how Russia can win this war on analog comms while the Ukes are on StarLink. Unless Elon Musk decides to turn off StarLink to the Ukrainian Army, I wouldn’t get my hopes up if I were a Russia supporter.
https://twitter.com/ArtfulTakedown/status/1578422660614467590
Sounds like cascading Kessler syndrome could knock out everything without much difficulty, so not a problem if escalation. All a Russian needs is a leader with the will to escalate when required
@c4ssidy
“Cascading Kessler syndrome knocking out everything in low earth orbit,” got debunked when the whipple-shielded Cassini spacecraft passed through Saturn’s rings with no problems.
Outer space is one of the few areas left where the US has undisputed military superiority over China and Russia, thanks to Elon Musk’s SpaceX.
At the altitude Starlink satellites are at debris gets cleared within ~10years or so, and the Starlink satellites are only supposed to last a few years anyway before replacement, so you would need an awful lot of debris generation to significantly reduce their average lifespan.
Currently, there’s some kind of “cascade” going on at 900km, where debris lasts for centuries and debris is predicted to increase by a little bit over a centuries-long timescale. It’s harder to get a cascade going in low earth orbit where it gets cleared faster.
Are spy satellites LEO? The issue is at the geostationary layer, right? Isn’t that HEO?
Spy satellites are low earth orbit, often very low earth orbit, where the dangerous junk gets cleared quite quickly.
Geostationary layer, junk is never going to clear for millenia.
Quite quickly is even better. That means that you can cause a Kessler Cascade at LEO, and within a few years it will all be clear.
Cursory search shows that *certain three letter voyeurs* like negros running offices like to park their sigint platforms up at geosynchronous, though a lot of the optical ones are LEO. Forgive my ignorance if I’m incorrect, but it seems that the domestic pointed platforms are HEO and the strategic platforms are LEO…
https://stormer-daily.rw/its-happening-kanye-attacks-puff-daddy-as-a-jewish-shill/
Extra, extra, Kanye West takes command of Christian white nationalist forces! Jew loving conservatives unsure of what to do! Clown world continues unabated!
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White men are so broken women and negros are taking over. What a time to be alive.
And just like Kanye West has been unperson-ed on the internet.
Kind of off topic but wanted to leave a nice presentation by Sasha Latypova on the injections. This woman seems like the real deal. Her conclusion from analyzing the injection contracts and manufacture irregularities is that this is intentional harm organized by the DoD (maybe that’s obvious here but it’s nice to see some evidence).
Interesting in a different way is a compilation of presentations by depopulation advocates. As Dennis L. Meadows explains, the ways we have to raise the death rate are “famine, pestilence, and war”. By sheer coincidence that is exactly what we have going on now (or coming soon).
I tried to watch the video and couldn’t get it to play. Does the video actually show a guy doing a presentation and explicitly advocating more “famine, pestilence, and warâ€?
I couldn’t see the transcript option, so copied down first 30 seconds.
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Population growth will kill you stone cold dead
You have to get the death rate and birth rate in balance and there are only two ways to do it. One is to push the birth rate down, the other is to push the death rate up.
Well we haven’t invented new ways of raising the death rate- famine, pestilence and war, those are the ones we have. They manifest differently depending on the technology that you are using, but that is the way. And it won’t be just one thing I don’t think…
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It isn’t advocacy, but it sure looks like a case of touching on the quiet part.
S, thank you for writing that down.
Yes, sounds like he could be talking in code.
First two are Paul R. Ehrlich interviews, last is Dennis L. Meadows lecture. The loud part was calling for sterility drugs to be added to reservoirs and exported food.
https://tapnewswire.com/2017/09/new-york-times-spike-the-food-supply-with-sterilization-chemicals-to-cause-global-infertility-and-depopulation/
How are these people not in prison?
(It’s rhetorical.)
Are you using uMatrix or some other add/tracker blocker? You have to allow access to rmbl.ws for rumble videos to load.
I think the more interesting video is by Sasha Latypova. The other is a compilation of talks by club of Rome-type people. Bill Gates has made similar presentations. The public laughs along, but either they don’t realize that “raising the death rate” means genocide, or they laugh because they think they won’t be the ones dying but the ones doing the killing (a case of being conned because thinking they would be conning others, as has been discussed here re the nature of cons). Trump talked to Davos2020 about neomalthusians being wrong, but then pushed the iotrogenocide which, along with Putin injecting his troops, is the part I find hard to reconcile.
Sorry, I meant to say iatrogenocide.
Elon Musk, after suggesting a peace plan re Ukraine, and Starlinks start to mysteriously go offline, now suggests Taiwan be made a Chinese administrative zone.
I think he might be starting to float the threat of defection.
Musk isn’t just rich. He also has an especially heavy stake in the future, both genetically and aspirationally (same thing?). So he has to start acting like a monarch now and actually care about straightening things out.
Still an enormous pile of fruit that doesnt even hang low, it drops from the tree into your hands
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05172-4
Old technique used in a novel way breaks a 50 year roadblock in algorithm design for matrix multiples. Perhaps not runaway AGI superintelligence, but development in ML continues one step at a time, and recursively compounds itself. Faster matmuls found by an algorith using a ridiculous amount of matmuls, the irony.
In case anyone here is dumb enough to rely on MSM sources and Twitter, traffic resumed on the bridge yesterday, albeit in a limited fashion. There is a train span and 2 vehicle spans on the 18KM bridge. One vehicle span had 3 segments severely damaged or destroyed, while the other vehicle span was damaged along with the train span. Full repairs (good as new) estimated at ~6 months, but freight train traffic has resumed, and vehicular traffic continues, though it is limited to cars and smaller trucks, no freight.
Further evidence indicates that there is doubt as to whether the attack was a VBIED as originally believed. It will be some time before anything concrete comes out. Ukraine has already started walking back their “credit taking” position, going so far as to muddy the water that the RF did it to themselves.
An important element of this is that the front is not directly supplied via the bridge, that stuff goes over land by convoy. So this was an attack on civilian infrastructure, with the whole pile of assumptions and inferences that pertain. Russian populace support seems to be galvanizing around the more hawkish position, and we shall see how this influences RF decision makers.
A final, personal note: whenever the blue checks celebrate, it is most often complete lies. Taking that sort of scummy villain seriously is always a mistake if you want the truth, but always a necessity if you want to know where they are headed. The Ukraine conflict is a dumb show for the wars around the corner, and everyone should be aware that footage came out last night (morning time in Slavtopia) of alleged Russian collaborators bodies being dumped into a mass grave. The initial post appeared on Hohol telegram with all the usual Cuckzi rhetoric, but was quickly taken down and reposted as being “footage found on a Russian phone.” Once Socialism tastes the blood of mass killings, they start to get ravenous for it. Best to start preparing mentally and otherwise for a large FF event in the near future, particularly if more operationalized genocide evidence starts leaking out.
Do you have a link to the video, or to a telegram channel that has it?
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/12951
Much appreciated, sir. That is dark, and that is what they have planned for us. When we win, we show them every scrap of mercy they would have shown us.
“The German Army (Bundeswehr) has enough ammunition for only one or two days of warfare, the German edition of news website Business Insider (BI) reported on Saturday…”
https://www.rt.com/news/564341-germany-ammo-shortage-stocks/
The recent 300,000 reserve call-ups can be used to free up other troops for the front, they don’t have to wait for these troops to be re-trained for more troops to be deployed.
Winter is coming. A Russian winter offensive has precedent.
Recently the GAE was celebrating real victories against lightly defended fronts. Now they’re celebrating terror attacks as if they were battlefield victories. If there’s a winter offensive these recent local wins will be lost in the noise. If there’s no winter offensive then I’m very wrong, and the “RF is weak” crowd are even righter than they’re now making the case for. But currently I’m not persuaded RF is weak because they haven’t been engaging in tit for tat.
I see a likely scenario where as soon as next year Europe and the US have to just hope Russia wants to stop and digest Ukraine and not escalate further by pushing further, because its not clear NATO is in a position to stop them past Ukraine. Only problem is if our side keeps poking the bear.
One problem Putin has is that the side that commits their reserves last has a huge advantage, but he does not know for sure if NATO is going to come reinforce Ukraine. He might be holding back in case that happens.
Nato will likely soon intervene directly and openly. The Ukrainian army is falling apart. Originally it fought due to Azov Brigade faith and cohesion. But the Azov brigade has taken a lot of casualties, and is losing faith and cohesion, so in the recent offensives, we see English speakers pulling Ukrainian troops together and leading them into battle. Nato is now taking a more direct role, but as yet it is a leadership and organizational role. The cannon fodder is still all Ukrainian.
At some point the Ukrainian army is likely to collapse. Current strategy is war of attrition, which ends when one side or the other collapses. If and when the Ukrainian army collapses, Nato will likely engage in full scale invasion, possibly of Ukraine, possibly on other fronts.
If Nato invasion enters territory that is part of Russia, likely Russia applies tactical nukes within Russian territory, the smallest possible nuclear escalation. But once nukes come into play, people will disagree about what constitutes escalation.
Consider too the domestic fronts in each participant. If Putin can drag it out for long enough, collapse due to economic upheaval and culture war may severely handicap NATO’s ability to do anything. You can’t fight a foreign war too well when your homeland is falling apart.
The time for revolution approaches, but you cannot conduct a revolution without internal or external backing. Possibly Pentagon, possibly Russia. That Musk is still in business indicates a significant sane faction in the Pentagon. China backing is improbable, because Xi continues to attempt necromancy on his undead state religion.
I just want to put my line in the sand here. I may hate the Cathedral, everyone involved in it, everything it stands for, and want to see it destroyed, but I will never take NATO surplus weapons(preferably chambered in 7.62×51 and/or 5.56×45), plastic explosives, .50 caliber anti-materiel weapons, or training in their use and in guerilla warfare. Never send an email to the email listed in my profile. I am definitely not interested in fostering a civil war in America and feeding the Cathedral staff feet first into a woodchipper.
Nicely phrased, but there is something missing in your list of what your are not interested in.
I had always imagined you to be the man who offers such training, rather than needing to receive it.
Trainers do more training than anyone else, at least the good ones do.
I’d like to push back against this,
…with a refinement: you cannot *successfully* conduct a revolution without internal or external backing. If you have no consideration for success…
If you want to succeed, you need patronage. This is what history shows. But if you just want to collapse things, or immiserate a population, it is possible to initiate urban unrest, or unleash death squads, or just carve out pieces of a societal carcass.
I feel this is necessary to discuss because, given the state of clown world USA, it is quite possible that there will be a whole mess of movements and struggles with no backing past the initiation stage. This may be a hair unworthy of splitting, as the Cartel may back mestizo identitarian movements, or elite factions may fund and weaponize social justice movements, then never call them back (a political booty call of sorts). How long a crowd of brush fires can last in isolation is tied directly to the placement and volume of available fuel, and many movements can and will coalesce into a large conflagration in order to keep burning.
Externally, there are the great powers (Russia, China), global institutions (WEF, NGOs, charities), and minor powers (Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, etc). Internally, there are scores of factions and entities. Once it is demonstrated that there is a viable path to instigating insurrection, separatism, or just internecine violence, I think many of these may seek to get involved.
I know there is disagreement on this, but it could be the case that China used direct involvement in US politics with the Coronahoax. Might OPEC+ be doing the same right now with the midterm season and the production cap/reduction?
As well, most often when a power wishes to incite rebellion or unrest, they must provide agents, weapons, and funds. As it stands right now, there’s plenty of capital and weapons already in place in the USA, and there may not even be a need for agents, as there is a surplus of potential agent provocateurs, leaders, ne’er-do-wells, ruffians, and others that could play the traditional role of foreign agents.
In China it’s been done… the revolutionary civil war killed maybe half the population and the rebels sort of won because the government soldiers ran out of arrows and their spears broke after too many bodies… but it’s theoretically possible for a peasant rebellion to succeed just very unlikely.
The state will continue to crush such groups right to the end. You’d be better off forming a bandit gang. State won’t see you as much of a threat and when things do fall apart, you’ve already got a functioning funding mechanism, warriors, and cohesion.
The US Government is visibly losing its ability to suppress opposition movements. The bigger problem is that opposition has been ideologically neutered from wanting to win, the policeman inside. This is changing, but not fast enough.
All it takes is one guy to turn it around. They obey the policeman, but do not want to. Look at all the good Trump did, even as soft as he is.
The pro-lifers sitting in jail after those FBI raids says differently.
Musk is still in business, but Starship orbital launch approval is being very, very slow walked. His exception remains, although it seems very begrudging and probably opposed. I suspect if his exception lasts long enough, good chance he will be the one granting exceptions to others.
I am seeing reports of a lot of air strikes and missile strikes in Kiev and across Western Ukraine targeting government and infrastructure. That bridge attack seems to have been an important line that GAE overstepped. Looks like they might be doing waves of attacks. Bomb government buildings, then emergency services and first responders show up, then the second wave shows up to clear even more people. That is rough on the Ukranians, but at this point they get what they fucking deserve. This is what you have been doing for the better part of a decade. Not so fun when the other guy does it better.
Russia has drastic positional advantages, which previous America opponents did not have.
However, it’s displaying strategic incompetence which is surprising given its reputation for strategic theory.
It is fighting to not-lose, escalating in response to its opponent, and maintaining stricter terms of engagement than its opponent.
It is fighting much as the US fought in Vietnam, but with a much smaller margin of superiority.
Putin has outmanoeuvred Faggot World Empire for over twenty years and he’s not going to stop now. Any perceived failures should be believed to be otherwise, until proven without doubt, ie faggot parades in Moscow.
I really like this rhetorical line. The doom posting is too much, it’s just Game of Thrones transference (treating real life events like they are entertainment constructed for your viewing pleasure).
Swiss staff officer’s analysis of Ukraine’s offenses and Russia’s situation. Tactical victory for Ukraine, strategic victory for Russia.
https://www.thepostil.com/kharkov-and-mobilization/
> Tactical victory for Ukraine, strategic victory for Russia.
Now we’re talking. Both GAE/Ukraine and Russia are succeeding at the games they’re playing, but only one of them, the latter, actually cares about the final results in the physical Ukrainian territory.
Zelensky and his guys have had their bags packed for months now.
‘In August, indications suggested that the Russians had planned to leave the area well before the start of the Ukrainian offensive. They therefore withdrew in good order, together with some civilians who could have been the subject of retaliation. ”
I was taking the mass murder of civilians as evidence of Putin screwing up, but if the Russians were evacuating civilians, UKR is just randomly killing people.
“where Russian artillery would destroy an estimated number of 4,000-5,000 Ukrainians (about 2 brigades), while the Russian coalition suffered only marginal losses as there was no fighting.
…
According to Sergei Shoigu, Russian Defence Minister, the Ukrainians lost about 7,000 men in the first three weeks of September. Although these figures cannot be verified, their order of magnitude matches the estimates of some Western experts. In other words, it seems that the Ukrainians have lost about 25% of the 10 brigades that were created and equipped in recent months with Western help.”
(brigades have between 5,000-10,000 soldiers)
No wonder the Kremlin thinks everything is going according to plan. UKR’s grand army is about 1/4-1/2 the size of the initial Russian invasion force.
My personal estimation was tactical UKR, strategic RUS, but if UKR’s offensive manpower is that low, it is a farce. It looks good for the cameras, but once those men are dead, UKR is totally screwed- it doesn’t look like they can replace them.
I don’t know if this was intentional, but you’ve basically replicated in summary form what both Ritter and MacGregor have been saying for the last month. We’ll know the truth in November or December.
If the RF starts marching over the ice and just doesn’t stop OR if the GAE forces Zelensky to the table before the RF starts marching, we can infer that there’s nothing left to throw on the fire. I disagree with Jim here; I don’t thik the GAE is going to step in with their own forces. Their ballsiest, most experienced, and most capable are already there, and, assuming they survive, they are not going to be in any position or state to come back west and rally the remaining men. I think they will keep up the act, force one more offensive push, then sue for peace ASAP and cover it up with false flags and other hijinks.
Why not? NATO forces are already leading the Ukrainians. From a GAE perspective more dead white men is always a good thing.
GAE populations can handle endless not-wars with volunteers getting ouchies and sads. In a 20 year not-war spanning the globe, the Core GAE populace lost less than 10k war dead with approximately double to triple suicide/meme-ptsd dead. The wars were barely supported, and the US was 80-90% of everything, manpower, assets, funding, logistics. This was all under the Bretton Woods Framework.
An actual shooting war in Ukraine would have GWoT numbers in a month. That would be a significant gut punch to every participant. A draft would be inevitable, as every negro, spic, woman, and syke would section 8 their shit at light speed if there’s even a whisper of actual war. So, that means a draft. Please point out on a map which GAE Core or vassal would be willing to get drafted under current circumstances*. Of all the things hastening the break-up of the US social fabric, a draft would dwarf them.
*which is why we might very well see a “Russian” nuclear attack on the US or Europe.
You’re repeating leftist propaganda. People seldom care about the losses in a war as long as their actually winning. And even when they’re losing the war (Korea and Vietnam) people keep going over and dying for the empire. The left harps on the number of people who die in a war when they oppose the war. When they’re for the war all the propaganda flows towards ignoring the losses and it works.
During WW1 France and the UK fed their best people in a meat grinder because those were politically and religiously opposed to Socialism. It took a very long time for the men being killing to start resisting the governments that were trying to get them killed. After the war the men who got most of the best of France and the UK killed blamed the Generals for the civilian government’s orders.
Oh no, now Neurotoxin and KD are spouting leftist propaganda! Who’s next?!? There are shills in the walls! Hang everyone! I saw Comminator getting a lap dance from a girl in college, he’s basically Joh Oliver!
Seriously though, can you point out the leftist propaganda for me? I think you’ve fallen a bit deeply into American ignorance of consequences. I am not talking about “feelings,” I am talking about raw numbers. The last war the US fought with serious casualties was the Civil War, and the war weariness, on both sides, was substantial and dramatic.
Calm down KD, I’m not calling anyone a shill. I believed Cathedral propaganda for most of my life as well.
You’re arguing that people won’t fight for the GAE with the sort of losses they’re likely to end up experiencing. My point is they will fight when ordered to and taking loses is only effective talking point when the left opposes a war.
War weariness is a factor after a war but it takes a lot of death before it becomes a factor during the war. The GAE can easily feed every strong white male of military age into a Russian meat grinder and they’ll feel likely they’re winning no matter what.
Well, I disagree. I laid out the broad strokes as sufficiently as needed, but to reiterate:
The USM as it stands now is not loss tolerant. With extremely low casualties, short deployments, regular contact with home, unprecedented amenities, and overwhelming technological advantage, it could subdue neither Iraq nor Afghanistan. The most effective elements of the USM, the Special Operations Forces, are exactly the type of guys to bunk instead of die fighting if they realize they are being sacrificed for domestic gain *at this time* (not so in the early aughts). 70-80% of the standing military is support only, by training and identity, and if forced into trenches against Russian artillery and Wagner infantry will surrender at the first opportunity.
We are not the country we once were. Faith has been largely snuffed out, loyalty is low status, and it is chic to hate the country. In this regard, we are in unprecedented times. No power has ever had to fight a global war with ~50% of its whole population explicitly opposed to it on a fundamental level.
Look at the vaxx casualties. I have not crunched the numbers myself, but the losses incurred have made a large body of stalwart dissidents. A hot war with Russia in Eastern Europe would be grievously costly. If Americans had to tolerate anything like civil war casualties (1 in 100) it would fold very fast, shattering on a score of axes.
10 years ago, maybe even 5 years ago, I think you might be right. Now… I don’t think so, man.
You know that, I know that, Red knows that- does the person who makes the decision know? Do they care?
Destroying the world economy with inflation wasn’t smart but everyone grabbed the money because if they didn’t someone else would.
Sending the US military to its destruction in Ukraine is insanely stupid, but it just has to be the winning move in an internal power struggle.
KD, leftist are not rational actors. They have no interest in anything besides short term power.
There’s a lot of ruin in a nation, and they’ve seen how the Uki’s kept the fighting going for much longer by using the Nazis to march the cannon fodder to the front lines at gun point. I see no reason the US government wouldn’t do the same.
“Oh no, now Neurotoxin and KD are spouting leftist propaganda!”
Greetings, comrade!
Given your recent assertions without evidence that the universities were infiltrated from the the outside, I don’t trust you. I’ve personally observed how Universities become more leftwing and it’s a top down process. Your explanation is the typical outer party lie that I believed before I watched it happen in real time. Jim has the right of this.
So do us a favor and provide evidence to support your argument on the subject.
Red, I see your point, and it is very much top down now, as well it was the upper levels that allowed the midwit middle to rise to the place they did on the back f the race riots of the 60s. But I also believe the universities were converged in a manner similar to a family owned operation getting consumed by a corporate entity. While the rot goes back far, you have to square that with the pinnacle of technology and science, 1860-1930ish, overlapping with the rise of the Progressive Midwit takeover. The advancement halted once the takeover was complete, but advancement was possible even with the progressive elite ensconced at the top. I can’t explain this, but the chronology is there.
The advancement, though closely linked to the universities, occurred outside the universities. Thus Wernher von Braun went to university and got the world’s first degree in rocketry because he started building rockets before he went to university, or even thought about going to university.
The progressive midwits running the universities were not creating science and technology, they were reaching out to scientists and technologists. Rockets do not exist because a university created a degree in rocketry. The university created the course for Wernher von Braun because that was what he was already doing and had already done.
They wanted to give him a degree because of what he had accomplished outside university, and created a course and degree to suit him so that they could give him a degree.
Similarly, Newton. Same for nearly all of them. They were not creating the scientists and technologists, but converging them.
KD, take a look at the Wright brothers. A couple of Bicycle shop guys invent the airplane. What was the Government response? They ignored them because they didn’t have a college education. The US government had poured what would be today millions into airplane projects for people who were part of the cathedral(University professors) and then lied that they actually built the first airplane and the Wrights just got lucky.
https://youtu.be/EkpQAGQiv4Q
Tech wasn’t coming from the universities. The universities were a good place for smart people meet and network but the actual professors working there where not driving tech forward.
“Given your recent assertions without evidence that the universities were infiltrated from the the outside… So do us a favor and provide evidence to support your argument on the subject.â€
Don’t try to reverse the burden of proof. That trick is utterly transparent. The left themselves admits their infiltration in unguarded moments. And yet you’re saying, “No, they’re innocent!†You need to provide a hell of a lot of evidence to exonerate someone who’s admitting he’s guilty.
What actually happened is that the young faculty carried out the Gramscian* program that the left had earlier said it was going to carry out, of infiltrating the institutions.
As Kunning notes, there is top-down enforcement of leftist dogma in the universities now, but I’m not talking about now; I’m talking about a process of entryism that happened decades ago.
*Apparently Gramsci wasn’t the first leftist to propagate this idea, but whatever.
Again you present no evidence of your assertions. Show evidence that bottom up inflation happened at the Universities.
Lying leftists saying X doesn’t make it true. Antifa and BLM claim that that they hate all cops and that the cops are oppressing them while the cops stand around protecting them from counter attack while they go around beating people. I personally watched a BLM march into a rural area that had police escorts in front and back because if the locals would have beat the living shit out of them without those state cops. Those sorts of lies of not being state backed is standard leftist propaganda.
You know, I don’t think you’ve read Moldbug. He went into great detail how the instructors and administration lead the student revolts of the 60s, how the primary people being purged at the universities was not the few conservatives hired there as tokens, but rather the older leftists who were being replaced as a changing of the guard by the administration. The Administration would pretend to be against whatever the students were being told to do by their instructors, while they do nothing about it. The students was cover to implement what the administration wanted.
I see the same thing happening today:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2015/02/21/english-professor-offers-uw-whitewater-students-extra-credit-for-protesting-scott-walkers-proposed-budget/
What Moldbug described made sense to me because I observe it still going on. It’s not new behavior, rather it’s a very old pattern that leftists lie about.
“Again you present no evidence of your assertions.”
I already called out the trick of trying to reverse the burden of proof. If you keep repeating it, I am simply going to keep calling it out.
The left has provided all the evidence; they admit what they did.
YOU however, have put forth no evidence of your assertions. How about you provide some?
“Lying leftists saying X doesn’t make it true. Antifa and BLM claim that that they hate all cops and that the cops are oppressing them while the cops stand around protecting them”
Don’t be an ass. Saying “We’re victims!” is a lie that helps them. Saying “There was a leftist project to infiltrate the universities” is a confession of bad behavior.
Again, present evidence that they did bottom up infiltrate the universities. Not that not they liked the idea, but rather they did it. IE show that the state wasn’t the one facilitating them into power.
Again, they lie all the time about not being backed by state power. They brag about Entryism all the time, but the groups that resist them soon get hammed by the state and forced to allow the infiltration or they get destroyed. It’s a game the left and the state plays. The state pretends it’s not putting the ever more left into positions of power. While the leftists pretend that they were able to take over just based on their intelligence and had nothing to do with the threat of state power if they met resistance.
Red: “show that the state wasn’t the one facilitating them into power.â€
Again: “I already called out the trick of trying to reverse the burden of proof. If you keep repeating it, I am simply going to keep calling it out.â€
Even so, I will provide some evidence – which you will ignore and dismiss, but other readers will see you doing that – but only after two things happen.
1. Elsewhere in this thread you asked me, “How did you end up on the right?†I responded,
“A friend gave me a copy of Ayn Rand’s Anthem when I was 16.
And you?â€
You still haven’t answered this. And since you think it’s so important… answer it.
Or if I missed it, point out where you answered it.
2. Provide a specific piece of evidence for your claim. Just one. This shouldn’t be hard, since every pattern has exceptions, and I’m sure there are examples of what you’re claiming.
If I don’t see both of these things, I am going to conclude that you’re not really interested in the debate, but just trying to play some sort of weird social dominance game. (“I’ll ask the questions here! You answer them!â€)
The gay side of Ukraine just had a Donbas Morning. Massive surgical strikes across the whole west. Every major city hit. Power failing, water failing, air defense systems overloaded. Footage pouring out, once jubilant citizens weeping and fleeing. Infrastructure damage is widespread. As Putin was giving an address, another flight took off. The footage is impressive. While this was going on (03-04 EST) the Ukr rally points on the front lines were also being hit, but that’s not being covered by any media as of now.
Today is the first day of the SMO under its new leadership, the guy that ran the campaign in Syria. We shall see if this was a one-off or if it’s the new normal for Hoholistan. A russki TGram chap pointed out that, while the footage is shocking, the real damage won’t be felt immediately, as the strikes were aimed at staff command centers and energy infrastructure. As the temperatures drop and the Ukr offensives try for another push (estimated in the next week or so), the damage to decision making centers and grid power will cause cascading failures.
This is how this conflict should have started:
https://t.me/combatfootage/960
All positive signs. Based on the way GAE air defense missiles were randomly doing loops at hitting their own cities I’d say the Russians either jammed or hacked those systems quite effectively.
Likely hacking, as jamming is hard over enemy territory. Looks like an active hack – a hack that is glaringly obvious to the party being hacked. Active hacking reveals information to the enemy, which is likely to result in the enemy closing the security hole, so you want to get the most bang for your buck when you deploy such a capability
So while the hack continues to work, better get everything on the targets list.
On the other hand, the response to the hack may well be managed by Shaniqua, who will attempt to close it by having engineers fill out twice as many forms with twice as many checkboxes. Russia has long lagged far behind the NSA in hacking, computer security, and penetration, but since Obama, the NSA has suffered a sudden and dramatic loss of competence.
If you tell an engineer to get something done, he will do it. If you tell Shaniqua to get something done, she will create charts and forms wth lots of checkboxes, and hold a meeting to discuss checkboxes.
According to Telegram, an important cyber official was killed, so Russia might have targeted the people watching the hack and made sure that it would be harder to fix the exploit. That is some IEW thinking right there, if true. Hack the system, wait for the response to the hack, then use that to bomb the responders. Being a computer need
Hack air defense systems, then blow up the man whose job it is to prevent hacks of air defense systems. Information Epoch Warfare is arriving.
Meant to finish that with, “Being a computer nerd is about to become deadly serious, dangerous business.”
It is taking a while, but the trend line is obvious. The age of warrior techies approaches.
Back when iron and steel was made from bloom iron, rather than molten iron, iron was expensive and labor intensive, but Charles the hammer realized that he needed an elite army with expensive equipment.
And soon a warrior was weighed down with as much iron as a man could carry, and soon after that, as much iron as a horse could carry. And so came the age of knights, when wars were fought directly between highly trained and expensively equipped elites, with masses of conscripts being largely irrelevant. Like the bronze equipped heroes of the Trojan war, individual personal combat by William the Marshal had a significant and substantial impact on the outcome of wars. He obtained his wife and her castle in personal combat.
The Ukrainians have drones that should be able to act autonomously from take off to landing, and thus should be able to disregard Russian jamming. But the Ukrainians are having problems instructing them what to do when acting autonomously. Ukraine is fighting World War I, a war of poorly trained, poorly equipped, mass conscript cannon fodder. The Russians would rather fight World War II, and are finding it difficult.
But war is a stern teacher. It is not so much that the day of warrior techie has dawned, but rather we can see the first glimmerings of early light prefiguring that dawn. Dawn will be a while, but it comes.
Its disheartening that despite War. Communism has been successful for at least a century and a bit more.
The new General in charge of the SMO is purported to have served jail time for his participation in the coup of 1991. Might not mean a thing.
It’s role in Syria that’s important. He lead the operation there. I remember when Russian Special Forces ordered an artillery strike on their own position when ISIS was over running. All the Russians died but so did all the ISIS goat fuckers. You want a leader hard enough to inspire that sort of bravery in his men.
An early part of any new style war is getting rid of the generals who can’t cut it. Russia’s been doing that and it looks like they finally found their man.
Don’t forget Wagner Group. No one seems to want to discuss how they are just as “out numbered” as the other units, but they are taking ground, cracking jokes, making dank memes, and being the warriors they wish to see.
On that topic, the RF keeps giving the prisoner volunteers to replenish and swell their ranks. It blips up from time to time, but no one on Russki TGram seems to want to talk about it ( I have no idea why, response to “The Orchestra” is overwhelmingly positive) for more than a post or two. They are causing a Hohol force that outweighs them nearly 3 to 1 to cut and run.
The WW2 experience of using prisoners in combat resulted in a lot civilian atrocities. I’m not surprised they don’t want to talk about it.
You take the scum of the earth and set them loose on your enemy. It is not a gentleman’s method of fighting, but in a fight like this, and against people like Azov, you play by their rules, harder. Let the Wagner guys run amok, and at the end of the day you come out ahead. Your criminals get themselves killed or get respectable, and your enemy knows that you can and will engage in bloody reprisals. You like Nazis, you Hohol faggots? Here, have some Nazis.
You have to dig to find it, but there are plenty of stories of convicts performing notably and admirably. One life long gangster who was in jail forever became a hero squad leader that sacrificed himself to save his team and was buried with full honors in the community he terrorized. I know I am on the softer side of Jimian Christianity, and I have personal reasons for this, but I must believe there is a path back from damnation. I track hard with the muslims on this one: it matters not how far you walk towards hell, if when you die you’re crawling towards heaven, for God sees, knows, understands, and loves.
I did say, “…or get respectable.” I am sure there are some guys in Wagner who will end this conflict as decent members of society, if a bit rough around the edges. However, I am as equally sure that some of them will leave it as bad or worse than they were at the beginning. I agree with that idea of repentance in the eternal scale, but in the temporal we have to make certain concessions. You can always start a walk back from damnation, but sometimes that walk ends in this life when you kneel before God and a headman’s axe. You have to pick it up again in the next.
A lot of the men in a modern prison were always heroic warriors on the inside, they have just had nothing to fight for until now. Like a dog tearing up the couch because he does not get the right exercise.
That’s a great point. It’s also the thing I fear about war with Russia. Lots of good white warriors will end up dead for an evil cause just because they need something to fight for.
[*deleted for presupposing that everyone believes and accepts blatantly stupid government propaganda about Russian atrocities*]
I did not say a word about Russian atrocities. [*deleted*]
Indeed you did not. You just presupposed that everyone agrees.
Here’s Wagner training some recruits:
https://t.me/BrokenNews1/986
Imagine the complaints if an American NCO cadre did this lol.
Prisoner volunteers is not remarkable. The state gives a pardon and waives the jail sentence for soldering.
Problem I see is why involve Wagner? Why not use prisoners in the regular army, maybe in some penal units?
Why is the government doing Wagner’s recruitment? Is someone inside the government building his own private army?
I find this story improbable, and the source is the BBC, whose reputation these days is somewhat below that of Baghdad Bob.
If they were recruiting prisoners, it would be the state doing it, not Wagner. Sounds like a case of social justice warriors always project. Ukraine is conscripting prisoners, so the BBC accuses Russia of recruiting prisoners.
Wagner is an elite force, therefore unlikely to recruit prisoners. Wagner is not the state, it is a mercenary force, therefore unlikely to be in a position to offer pardons. And nothing that the BBC says is remotely connected to reality. It is non stop, strident, over the top, propaganda.
I am hearing the same thing from Russian Telegram. Prisoners who demonstrate good character and show courage will have their sentences lessened or waived in return for fighting for Russia. Wagner is a Russian state agent playing as a mercenary organization. The “P” in Wagner Group PMC is spelled, “N-G-O.”
In short, yes, Wagner is some oligarch’s private army. To keep this powerful privilege, he must perform as the Kremlin’s personal SOFs. Wagner was formed in response to the wildly successful Blackwater under Eric Prince (the Blackwater of today is basically incomparable and wholly controlled by State Department/NGO complex).
Government isn’t doing Wagner’s recruiting, they’re providing bulk recruits in addition to the volunteers they already get. You can read up on Wagner themselves, they put out plenty of general information. They are very upfront about how their training is better, they don’t accept scrubs or retards, and their unit composition is very well thought out.
This is not just talk. Wagner has developed a reputation of grim efficiency, wrecking shop on larger forces, using advanced tech and tactics, and fighting to the last man when cornered. There’s a story of a Wagner team being surrounded and overrun in Syria, and their Team Lead called down artillery on their own position, then fixed the enemy until everyone was destroyed.
Once again, I am surprised and shocked that despite the skull bashing and terrorizement of whites, we managed to actually make a good AGI capable of generating text, pictures, and even animations now. Well done to the guys who were safely quarantined from Shaniqua and the HR department for pulling it off. I have stable diffusion running on one of my computers and its really amazing what it can do.
I’ve been following this since stable diffusion dropped; the craziest thing is the speed it is going. 3d modeling with 3 pictures came out last in the last couple of weeks.
By animations do you mean the ‘text to video’ Google just displayed, people using Stable Diffusion to speed up the creation process or has something new been released?
One would think that stable diffusion could generate memes with high efficiency, but not seeing it yet.
Maybe it requires a different training set. Stable diffusion seems to have no capacity to relate to the moral valence of a text. Religious art is absolutely full of moral valence, but for centuries the art world has been engaged in self induced blindness to moral valance of visual aesthetics, so the relevant data would be utterly lacking in the texts of the training set. And modern AI requires enormous training sets.
I know some guys producing memes for our side with stable diffusion, and the results are fantastic. Can definitely goose the program to create religious art with moral valence
Great, we need meme warriors. Who are those guys and what memes have they made?
Breath Status: Bated
I would like to resubmit my idea for a GPT-JIM operation.
Unfortunately, must keep mum in the name of security. Merely indicating that I’ve seen the potential of the technology, and I may spin up my own instance.
In understand the need to keep the artist hidden, but why the work? Please show us those memes
I was referring to the first order model I found on github (granted its not completely generating a new picture and animating that but I’m still impressed): https://github.com/AliaksandrSiarohin/first-order-model
It’s a really cool piece of tech, and some low level version of it is already in consumer use (such as jpgs that are animated to sing a lyrics of a song).
Anglin is super black pilled on women. He’s not helping his readers or himself with it:
https://stormer-daily.rw/evil-whore-gisele-destroys-her-family-for-no-reason-summons-demons-into-her-car/
I’m pretty blackpilled on at least American women but damn…
Which proves that Anglin is not among the readership of this blog.
So what do the esteemed wife-owners/womanizers of this blog think the cause may be? Did he fail a series of shit tests? Or were her shit tests of the kind that can only be passed by the likes of Gen. Butt Naked, i.e. actual application of brutal violence.
I’m sure she’s fucked General Butt Naked based on her modeling history. Tom would have needed to get out the beating stick to keep her in line.
I would bet the vast majority of women have never received a hard spanking, and certainly never have been struck by a man in the face. It sounds risky, but if you want to jump to the A#1 alpha spot with a woman, give her a fat lip after a particularly brutal shit test or an overt act of disobedience.
Violence against women have to be done with the right frame. Lots of guys finally lose it strike their women but then immediately apologize for it. Those are the guys who end up in jail for DV. Giving women what they want is a very dangerous game if you’re not filled the confidence of the righteous.
Anglin does not acknowledge the Jewish nature of the Psychoanalysis cult, while acknowledging his participation in it, and condemning all analysis of his mental state of “Psychoanalysis.”
It is not my experience that women are untameable. They are salesmen, not demons. Learn to negotiate.
LOL obvious shill of some kind is obvious, Anglin is a jew and you need to negotiate with women.
PUA redpill on women 101, you cannot negotiate sexual desire.
Anglin talks constantly about our Christian God and yet he seems to deny Genesis 2:18:23. God made woman for man, before the fall.
Anglin’s women hatred is a rhetorical device. If the culture uplifts, absolves and loves women every day, then Anglin will deride, condemn and hate women every day. The pill is red, not black. Women are what the are. The regime (specifically, for Anglin, ZOG) is the target.
Anglin regularly tells men to get married if they want to, but warns that if Tom Brady, Bill Gates, Brad Pitt, Vladimir Putin, and other leading figures can’t hold onto their wives, then buyer beware. Hence the need for regime change.
Which argument Jim has long adressed and answered. Women’s sexual preference is primitive, has not changed much since the days we were monkeys. Brad Pitt gets to be alpha on set and in the movies. Still needs to pass shit tests at home. Giving the wife permission to adopt ten African kids is a divorce inducing failed shit test.
Makes better sense. I doubt that Brady and Pitt are beta in the sense women understand either even if Bezos and Bill Gates are…
These guys are mostly picking the hottest women around who have certainly been been banged by General Buck Naked. It’s a tough act to follow. This is why virginity is so highly prized.
Knowing the score with women, the best solution is the lowest notch count, hottest chick you can pull. Better a faithful 7 than a 10 that’s always thinking of the alphas she fucked while in bed with you.
Gisele is starting to hit the wall so she wants to go back and try to get someone like GBN in her bed. Lots of women do that shit once they hit the wall. Always ends in sorrow for them.
Oddly he doesn’t connect the number of guy’s Tom’s soon to be ex wife fucked before getting married with her bad behavior.
I’m not read up on these scandals but don’t you think these famous men might have wanted to dump their aging wives? Is it known conclusively that the women initiated the divorces?
Yes
It’s pretty rare. Women generally like to force men into initiating the divorce. I’ve knew one where the wife opened fucked other guys in his bed and made no secret of it so he would fire for divorce, or maybe she wanted him to beat the shit out of her and kill her lover. Could have gone either way. Women create some brutal shit tests.
He’s a satirist. Why are you taking his writing as anything more than comedic entertainment?
Anglin is right about women. I have really struggled with this, but I can’t find the technical fault with his argument. Strip away the hateful invective, satire, and humor, and what you have is crystalized Jimian perspective on female evo-spych and tendency.
Woman are not particularly bad in current era, they’re just women with no constraint. They have always been this way. If the thots ain’t patrolled, the holes grow mold.
Woman will set two or more males against each other just to see sparks fly. They do this with no thought and no sense of guilt.
Woman have two modes: self-enrichment and protective. If they are deprived of children/garden/home, this turns into a really foul sense of entitlement and destructiveness.
The Bible speaks to men and about women.
All female politicians are Political Eves. (They will always be tricked into taking poisoned fruit)
Women use our deeply held love of our mothers to manipulate us.
He dresses the truth up in a cloak of hyperbole to reach out to zoomers and generation next, who are wrapped in so many layers of sarcasm, jade, and social programming that they need to be shoved hard off the Believe All Women/Worship All Women position. I think it is a method deployed to blast young men way out of their current orbit with the knowledge that many will fall back into a much better orbit, though a few will be lost to The Bad Place.
I don’t think Anglin has kids, so he is comfortable being a hardliner on the RPWQ, and everyone here should know that that can easily get you to a really dark place. Male/Female relation is Defect/Defect, and Anglin’s fault in this discussion is that he cannot see it being any other way. Consider Jim’s repeated position: men are “on stage” forever, women shit test forever ( I know there’s more nuance, but simplicity helps my case lol). If you are like me, imperfect and not a gigachad, that is a harrowing perspective to hold.
Says Anglin:
Yea no, guy’s an idiot spreading idiocy. Well, he presumably says a lot of good stuff. When folk here link his writing I tend to read and enjoy it. But on the topic of women he is a MGTOW idiot writing MGTOW idiot tier stuff.
KD, read what Anglin says. He does not say: ‘IF a woman is deprived of children, she turns evil.’ He says: ‘a woman is evil. Full stop.’
Anglin is free to be in his dark place. But let us not uphold his position as a virtue, please.
I am not upholding his position, but I can’t refute the technical argument. It is completely in line with Jimian analysis. Yes, his layering in of hateful, MGTOW invective is kind of dumb, IMO, but where does it violate our principles? He says the same thing, but arrives at a different conclusion. We say “Yes, all women are like that. A man must soldier on, defend and care for his property, and be fruitful and multiply.” He says “Yes, all women are like that. A man can do anything he wants, but it will not change their nature, and they have every opportunity to destroy men for no good reason at all, and they do it all the time.”
Understand, brother, I am not suddenly opposed to marriage, abduction, seduction, or family building. But the evidence of feminine destructionism is overwhelming. There are just too many examples of women burning down families for no good reason to not at least countenance his position.
For me, it is very similar to Fidelis’ (and others) position that the fight for America is already lost, and the smart move is to flee and relocate. It is technically correct, I cannot refute it, but nonetheless I stand where I stand and will not retreat.
“Understand, brother, I am not suddenly opposed to marriage, abduction, seduction, or family building. But the evidence of feminine destructionism is overwhelming. There are just too many examples of women burning down families for no good reason to not at least countenance his position.”
Women want to be in a herd with other women… and as the American female herd mind right now is very insane and evil this tends to make American women very evil. Women who are seperated from the herd for whatever reason (girls 16-22 tend to be more independent of it and more focused on men) tend to bed much less evil.
Anglin says all women deserve to be slit throat and dumped in a gutter.
Jim says women are wonderful.
How are those completely in line?
Again, that, to me, is fluff. That is not the technical argument. I respect both men, I think both are some of the smartest men, theorists, and thought leaders alive today, but I don’t believe either is perfect.
Jim says women are wonderful. Some definitely are, mine is, some of me lads have great wives. But I would never in a million years say or agree with the statement that All Women Are Wonderful. That would be preposterous.
Anglin says all women deserve slit throats and/or ganged bangs. Some definitely do. Many seem to relentlessly pursue both. But I would never in a million years say or agree with the statement that All Women Are Cumrag Pincushions. That would be preposterous.
I don’t like the way he frames things. I think there is a lot of pain inside Anglin. I know this is me being a simpleton, but I think it is perilous for a man to be in his thirties with no children, no wife, and no land. I am so stalwart on this position that I would encourage any man to just take what he can get and “live” her into a better place, even if she’s imperfect. I genuinely believe a man must have land, property, and children to be whole. So obviously, Anglin goes to far. But I also see why he does so, particularly in light of the progression of events.
I have no problem saying some women deserve slit throats. Can Anglin say some women are wonderful? Seems like he’d rather chop off his balls than say that.
And that’s his cross to bear. Let’s look at it a different way: is his over the top analysis pushing people in a better or worse direction on the Woman Question?
On the one hand, official reality is that the situation is fine, and women are fine, when it is right in every man’s face that the situation is very bad, and women, given half a chance are very bad. I see women all over the place that need to be hit with a stick and put on a leash, and in a civilized society, would be.
So, Anglin attacks that delusion.
But he is also sowing the black pill, MGTOW. Despair is a vastly worse sin than lust.
We can, and should, deal with this problem as individuals, and as a society. The black pill, despair, prevents men from doing so.
It is those who can and have fixed this problem as individuals who, when in power, will fix it as a society.
Better to assume women are trash and be proved wrong by Mrs. Hearthnhome then to assume women are angels and get destroyed by Ms. Cruz-Carousel. Every woman I’ve ever dated for any substantial period of time has admitted that they hate Women, with the exception of their friends and loved ones. Women are very aware of how destructive and cruel females are, but they also universally assume they themselves are the exception.
What can I say we dated different women.
While his sentiments are extreme by Western standards, Anglin’s views are not too far off from those held in certain Islamic nations. As a Christian, I cannot condone certain aspects of his rhetoric, but putting immoral women like Giselle in body bags is a good and proper.
Also, I made a post about the importance of not punching right which got caught by the moderation filter. Could it be cleared out?
Not quite all the time.
If you act like you don’t care, that you do not believe their social superweapons are worth a tinker’s dam, they will not use them. I am still not in jail, not financially ruined, and never charged with rape or sexual harassment. It is only innocent men that get whacked with that stuff. The totally guilty are relatively safe.
I’m the most blackpilled regular here on at least American women current year and this is too over the top. No women are not always evil all the time… Hell I’ve known one in my life who was bro tier loyal reliable helpful etc for YEARS (and no she wasn’t dykey at all this girl was hot too, and when I was moving she immediately volunteered to help me move) then after she had a kid she started hanging out with other women without being in mixed company and she became like other women… her change for the worse in character was not part of a deliberate evil plan.
Rather they are fickle and capable of turning evil based on chaotic sexual and social impulses at any time or at best if they have some sort of stability to their good nature any sort of dramatic change in their life can easily wash that away…
Women, children, and dogs need authority in their lives, and are much happier when they feel the strength above them capable of keeping them in line.
Absent that authority, they misbehave. Prolonged misbehavior results in childlessness, whereupon they are apt to turn grotesquely evil.
KD, what’s your view on women?
I like the tops and backs of their heads.
For a serious answer, need a more specific question. Unless forced by work or circumstances, I refuse to associate with females I’m not fucking, and I am sworn to one woman until death.
I’ve never understood this point of view. Learning Game for me was like going from playing an extremely difficult game to playing it in God mode.
Once you hit a certain level of Game you literally understand women better than they understand themselves.
Kind of reads like he has not fully internalized the red pill. As if he was holding the same standard for men and women. Women can do good, and enjoy doing good. But largely they must be made to. But they like to be made to. I don’t think they prefer to do evil. But, lacking the ability to resist the temptation, they are compelled to try.
It is an act of cruelty to put a woman in the position they are in today, to let them suffer that temptation and the consequences. They are not made for it. Would rather be made to do good, made to serve their husbands and children. In every way their lives are better that way, but they cannot do good unless they are made to.
Outside of patriarchy, they really are pitiful creatures, and suffer much more than they need to.
He very much reminds me of my black pill days on women. Jim made it crystal clear what was actually going on and I stopped being upset at women. It’s like being upset at a dog for acting like a dog.
I’ve posted before about Putin needing to get his own house in order before trying to prosecute a war with the GAE. I cited his health minister’s continued shilling of clot shots.
But I’m happy to have some good news to share. Back in June the Russian Ministry of Defense enacted mandatory clot shots for all soldiers. As recently as September 28th, the MoD confirmed that clot shots were mandatory for the newly mobilized. One of my Russian friends left Russia for Bishkek the day before. The clot shot was one of his main reasons to not want to be mobilized.
There was some push-back from Russians. An independent physicians’ organization posted open letters to Putin and Defense Minister Shoigu arguing against the clot shots. And as of early October, the Defense Ministry backpedaled and clarified that clot-shots would not be required for mobilized reservists.
It ain’t a complete victory. Health minister Murashko is still out there shilling new and improved clot shots, and the defense ministry could once again reverse course.
But it’s something. Hopefully it’s the start of a trend.
The reality is that the Russians don’t believe in what you believe, that’s why they don’t volunteer to fight, that’s why there is a need to recruit criminals from the colonies, there is a need for mobilization, because people don’t want to fight voluntarily. Compare with how the men behaved in Afghanistan. They knew what they were fighting for and it showed.
If Russia wins the war tomorrow, it will remain the matriarchal socialist graveyard that it has been for the past decades, which it is now and will be the same tomorrow. Russia could solve its internal problems without a war, and for some reason it seems to me that the Ukrainians would go over to the side of the RF Armed Forces practically without a fight, as did the soldiers who received a salary from the occupation administration in the Taliban, the cities remained mostly intact, and Russia’s prestige in the world would pierce the heavens.
You are speaking the words of our enemies who want us all dead.
But there is a small grain of truth in what you say, even though you are using the words of liars to tell the lie that your masters pay you to tell.
And the truth is this: Russia is in a holy war with demon worshipers, and to win must invoke the power of Christ. One must bring a gun to a gunfight, and a faith to a holy war.
You are telling me that they are not invoking the power of Christ, and not going to invoke the power of Christ.
Perhaps, but, on the other hand:
The Great Cathedral in Russia
White men are once again building Cathedrals.
The greatest strength of globohomo is that it [*does not actually admit to being a religion engaged in holy war to impose the one true faith*]
Quite true, but I think that the way I phrased it is far less flattering to globohomo than the way you phrased it, even though I understood you to mean what I said – just you seemed to be expressing it in euphemism.
I wonder why Malaysia, the Saudis or the Philippines didn’t need a war to build beautiful temples, even though none of these countries has a nuclear shield?
Non Christian privilege.
Russians don’t volunteer to fight? Are you actually saying this?
Why is [*hostile propaganda deleted*]
Might be true. I doubt it. And you have absolutely no basis for assuming it to be true, let alone assuming that we assume it to be true.
Russians mostly believe what Putin says he believes.
This is openly 1950s Soviet patriotism, a mix of Russian patriotism and post-Stalin socialist internationalism. Between the lines, it is Orthodox Christian Nationalism.
What Russians are less convinced about is that their army will treatment them well or that their army will win. It’s a real problem. Russia’s draft system allows almost anyone of social worth to exempt himself, and gives him a good reason to want to be exempted. It needs a draft system like Israel, where the highest members of society take the draft, are seen to take the draft, are seen to want to take the draft, and are seen to benefit in their subsequent lives from having performed well during the draft.
Much like in Ukraine, the US is not exempting its acolytes of Cybele from the draft:
https://thepostmillennial.com/biden-admin-requires-trans-women-to-register-for-draft-if-they-were-born-male?utm_campaign=64510
Makes sense having them killed as cannon fodder rather than waiting for the inevitable suicides when they find out no amount of ritual mutilation or government dictates will make them real women.
I saw this yesterday and was so excited for the future salt mining. It’s like having a massive Christmas present under the tree, a giant and obvious package that can’t be ignored, no matter what you tell yourself or what you are forced to pretend about it.
Settle down; nobody’s drafting anybody. And if they were, they’d exempt the trannies, no question about it. This is just a minor error from some low-level functionary who hasn’t fully internalized the sacred truth that TRANSWOMEN ARE WOMEN PERIOD FULL STOP.
If the Twilight War expands, drafting will occur. It’s inevitable with the DNA modern armies have. For every one front line grunt, there are 10 support staff at least, and it can be significantly more. Troons will be tucked into service, but they’ll be given plum positions.
They can’t draft trannies unless they draft women; it would be a vile sacrilege to them. They’re not going to draft women.
Going down this road would land you in the Supreme Court to get a legal decision on what a Man is. Until they get the bench, I suspect the intelligent ones will avoid that pitfall, and the rest of them don’t care what the laws say anyway. So, a few will go play dress up and cumdump and the rest will dodge.
To be clear, my initial post was about the response to the Whitehouse statement, not the actual drafting of troons, though having talked it out, I surmise that will be a boatload of free range kekles a well.
No punching right. Ever. End of story. This applies to everyone, not just Red.
Was going to write a short comment in response to Red’s initial thread, but this subject is of utmost importance and needs to be stressed.
As an oversimplified explanation for the obvious, any serious dissident political or religious movement never counter-signals its extremists because they are necessary for the ascending group to communicate that its minority view is respectably moderate.
Anglin does not have to clarify his rhetoric as proscriptions only for ill-behaved women because women are not holy idols who ought to be worshiped. If it is unthinkable for Roderick Spode to advocate putting women in gas chambers, then who are we to advocate for husbands being allowed to kill their adulterous wives?
Stating the obvious, Anglin is not referring to “good women†such as our wives, daughters, and so forth. He is referring to Giselle and that our wives, daughters etc. will become like her if we are not careful, if we do not pass shit tests. There is no man or woman who should be exempt from being shot and buried for failing to adhere to proper morals. This includes women.
When a feminist says “kill all men,†no one on the Left counter-signals her because everyone on the Left understands that she is not referring to “all men†but the idea of the patriarch as the bedrock of society. Likewise, when Anglin says “women should be put into ovens,†we should understand that he is not referring to all women but the idea of the emancipated woman. Kunning Drueger got it right.
Is he? I’ve read the article three times now, pretty sure he emphasizes hating all women and wanting to put them all in the oven.
Again, it’s rhetoric. There’s a metanarrative at play.
Then show me evidence. Everyone keeps telling me Anglin is ironic, but no one shows me any evidence for him being ironic.
Until I see convincing evidence of Anglin acknowledging that some, if not most women, under proper authority, are wonderful, I’ma just going to assume that taking Anglin’s advice on women is like taking advice from Sam Hyde’s divorced dad character.
it’s so over the top it sounds to be ironic exaggeration in the tradition of “a modest proposal” and “the shortest way with dissenters” (which jim might have agreed with unironically then… I would agree with a similar shortest way with leftist unironically now).
I have to agree. I read the article and the first thing that came to mind is that Anglin is not getting any atm and is severely blackpilled on women. Not a good place to be.
This was a classic piece, from 2019:
https://stormer-daily.rw/we-are-all-incels-now-there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-volcel/
“So then the question becomes: did you volunteer to be a part of a feminist society, where women are all fat, aggressive, nasty, dirty, lying whores who might accuse you of rape in the short term, get you done up on domestic violence in the medium term or divorce-rape you in the long term?
Unless you did volunteer for this situation – and you didn’t – then you aren’t “voluntarily celibate†because of a situation you have no control over. A situation that was forced on you. A situation you are involuntarily living in.
Thus: you are an incel.
We are all incels.”
(…)
“The bottom line is to be a good man, and take care of yourself.
Forgive your mother.
Make yourself strong, then make yourself stronger.
God will give you a fitting woman to give you children if it is His will to do so.
Until then, be an incel.”
^ note that Anglin advocates forgiving mothers, and marriage as the exception to the rule.
Yes, I like that article much more. Does not seem like the last three years have been kind to him.
It is always worth it. Better wade through a sea of whores to find one good woman than sit at home incelling. God rewards the brave. Anglin has not been brave, and it shows in his recent writing.
In this piece, his first about the Brady divorce, he offers a lot of sound advice for finding a bitch:
https://stormer-daily.rw/%f0%9f%98%94%f0%9f%98%94%f0%9f%98%94%f0%9f%98%94%f0%9f%98%94-all-women-are-whores-gisele-has-left-tom-brady-%f0%9f%98%94%f0%9f%98%94%f0%9f%98%94%f0%9f%98%94%f0%9f%98%94/
^ Yes, that’s the actual URL, LOL.
“Please stop saying that you can keep a woman by “being alpha.†This is gay and retarded. Any of these “be alpha†people are just insecure losers who think they can put on a show for women.”
“Please stop saying that you can keep a woman by “being alpha.†This is gay and retarded. Any of these “be alpha†people are just insecure losers who think they can put on a show for women.â€
While that’s true to some extent he underestimates how many of these rich/famous/powerful men are utterly blue pilled with women. Being a rich celebrity might mean teenage girls throw themselves at you but it does not mean you aren’t a feminist yourself.
He also underestimates how being famous and marrying another famous person is a position of weakness in this society. Unless being famous has got you dirt on powerful people, it only makes you more of a target and ensures people and money are eager to listen to any complaints your woman might have or invent.
Not that the point is about Brady himself, but I saw somewhere right around when Brady’s retiring/not retiring thing was happening that Brady had actually been on that gay Masked Signer show, and this was all cover for that.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see all media colluding to push some nothing show, it would really be demonstrative of their absolute lack of scruples.
However… being gay enough to go on that show would also make it now likely Gisele rides nigger cock, so who knows?
That Brady married a well-used whore in the first place is good evidence that he was never alpha.
>“Please stop saying that you can keep a woman by “being alpha.â€
Jim has made exactly this claim on numerous occasions. For example when claiming that he has “stuck [his] dick in crazy numerous times” without negative repercussions.
It is one of many occasions which convinced me that Jim is absolutely willing to casually lie to the readership here. I have never seen any evidence that the Jim position on this is correct or sustainable. I have seen a lot of evidence that Anglin-style warnings about such situations are reliable. Jim tells me not to believe my own eyes and to trust him, Some Guy On Internet.
I would not have found my girl if not for Jim (along with Heartiste) helping me out a long time ago. So no amount of doomer pills can convince me that its impossible / hopeless situation. Without him I would never have actually understood what was going on and probably be blackpilled for the rest of my life like Anglin is.
Jim sounds believable enough because he also says he can convincingly project the image of a man willing to do extreme violence and maybe he is one… Joe Pistone (Donnie Brasco) said that very few mafia guys ever wound up divorced unless they got a 20 year + sentence. So if being alpha is showing willingness and ability to commit extreme violence convincingly… that works.
Also as far as sticking your dick in crazy (almost all non whore girls who’ve ever shown any interest in me have been outwardly pretty batshit) the crazy ones aren’t that likely to bring the authorities down on you (the non whore women who’ve shown any interest in me in the past have generally all been impulsive types with drinking problems and mood or BPD disorders none of them ever no matter how pissed they were tried to involve the authorities). Its the seemingly less crazy future Karens who do that.
“susâ€, If you cannot see with your own eyes dangerous and manly men inspiring loyalty in their women, you need to get out more. If you do not try, your chances of having kids are precisely 0%, so why not try?
“That Brady married a well-used whore in the first place is good evidence that he was never alpha.”
Agreed. That so many of these guys end up marrying women who are around the same age and also famous shows that they just don’t get it.
At least Trump picked younger nobodies when he decided to marry for sex alone and not general genetic quality.
I see no suggestion that Putin’s wife initiated his divorce. Putin got married when he was a relative unknown and his ex-wife looks like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lyudmila_Putina_Portrait2.jpg
The problem most men have with women comes down to self-delusion. She never respected you.
I have been in relationships with women who saw me as a serious and potentially dangerous man, and relationships with women who saw me as a decent enough guy that she would like to woo into marriage. When you’ve seen both, difference is very obvious.
Most men have only experienced the latter and convince themselves that the woman is deeply committed rather than running a sales script. “Surprisingly” it turns out later than she is not.
If the term alpha brings to mind dweeby guys awkward despite their muscles, jewy types with genetics stacked towards verbal IQ rather than being comfortable in than own bodies or inspiring other men to follow them; if the term inspires visions of try-hards; then forget it and use another word.
I’ve seen guys who let their women get under their skin. The woman is never happy. I’ve seen guys who get all stressed out and then let their woman see them that way. Extremely distressing to the woman. Female mind can handle that kind of tension every now and then but not constantly.
Sure, you’ll do really well if your woman thinks your General Butt Naked with an office job but you’ll do just fine as long as you don’t lean on her. She is not your soul mate, she is not your emotional tampon and she is absolutely not your mother.
Utterly bizarre to imagine this would not make a difference.
You can.
Oh, okay. Keep acting like a nice guy, then. Good luck!
And this, from 2020:
https://stormer-daily.rw/what-do-white-knights-even-want/
“But the point should actually be that the white knight’s two questions do not follow.
He asked:
Why do you hate white women?
and
Do you really want the white race to die out?
The easiest response is “I hate white women because they’re causing the white race to die out.â€
A better answer is “I don’t even hate them, I just take issue with their behavior and think that the only solution is to vastly restrict their behavior.—
“I’ve read the article three times now, pretty sure he emphasizes hating all women and wanting to put them all in the oven.”
Even if so, so what?
I want to piggyback Neofugue’s comment because he said the most important part, and I didn’t: we don’t punch Right.
Think about the deeper meaning of that statement, don’t just nod and read on. We here at JB get to punch pretty much anyone we want, because one does not simply find a place to the right of Jim. It is rare indeed for me to come across any ostensible conservative outlet or voice and not find significant pozz in 5 minutes or less. So we don’t really need to pull punches. With Anglin, we must. This, in my mind, is non-negotiable, but it is also in no way an attack on Alf, whom I genuinely love, or Red, who floats my goat occasionally but is no less a genuine brother and credit to the Body here. They both bring up good points, as did others, and they are both right about the black pill tone of Anglin’s posts.
Alf, you said you read the article thrice. That’s good, that’s a technique eschewed far too often. But, did you read the 3 preceding Woman Hate articles that for this unofficial series? This latest id the hardest edged one, but they are all pretty rough. I know this next assertion will be weak tea for many here, and it will sound like a cop out, or simping for St. Anglin: Stormer is not for the average Jimblog Appreciater. There is plenty there to make you laugh or get your blood up, but his readership is far too wide (he claims ~3mil uniques a month) and I would guess quite young. It is his job to define edgy, and in a world of gelding children, that’s no mean feat. On balance, if a young man encounters Anglin saying “all women need to be shanked” then finds Jim saying “make women property again,” I am rather confident he will end up in a pretty good place, eventually.
That is small succor for us here, but Jim doesn’t do Monday memes, nor does he deploy staff writers, so it’s inevitable that there will be stuff over there that isn’t tasteful to us. Doesn’t matter. Anglin shouldn’t be punched. This is not reproof or condemnation for the original comment and subsequent responses, just one man’s thoughts and opinions.
KD anyone say don’t read the the DS? I’ve been reading his site more because you’ve been posting links to it. I posted the article on Brady because I thought it was very interesting. Gisele practicing witch craft and blowing up her family, and the photo’s of how unhappy the boys looks was all very interesting. The thing that struck me most was the how black pilled Anglin which is why I commented on it. Men who took that as a personal attack on “their guy” really defeated the purpose of the post.
I didn’t construe it as an attack. You made solid points, I responded, Alf and I got into it, and it was all informative and respectful. I’m not going to speak for -fugue, but based on his stated position and mine, we both have some issues with framing and phrasing, but nonetheless feel that Anglin is at least in the ballpark. I think maybe you think he’s too far out of the zone? I am terrible at sports metaphors.
We don’t really discuss fluff topics here, and every man here is quite good at something and pretty good at many things, and very informed on a lot of things. So disagreements, discussions, and debates are always going to by high speed and risky. With the exception of a couple shill posts, made by shit tier shills who thought they saw an opportunity to D&C and were called out immediately, this has been a frank, honest, and worthwhile exchange.
I’m really glad you posted. Anglin has put out 3 or 4 posts that had me really twisted, all on this topic. I kept wanting to post, because I hated what he was saying but I couldn’t see where he was wrong. Being the muhfukkin G you are, you used psychic mind rays to help a nigga out. I stand by the technical assessment, but I am overjoyed others of my tribe were having the same issues I was.
I can’t remember if you have kids or not, but I have a young family. We are staunch purebloods with a high power level *as a family.* So I am always right on the edge of terror with everything happening in our country. A lot discussed here is in the abstract, but for me it is very real, and the stuff we discuss goes directly into how I work on my relationship with my wife, how I raise my kids, and how I move through the temporal plane.
I think St. Anglin, in his own peculiar way, is trying to get fathers to really think hard about how they are raising their daughters. That may be me projecting, but so much of what we struggle with as men is caused by the mistakes and evil committed many years ago. One takeaway from his writing is definitely “Yeah, women are trash and I shouldn’t spend a millisecond dealing with it,” but another could be “wow, why are they like this, and what I am I doing to help or hinder?” As for me and my house, I will work to be GNON compliant, Jim approved, and Anglin endorsed lol.
>I can’t remember if you have kids or not, but I have a young family. We are staunch purebloods with a high power level *as a family.* So I am always right on the edge of terror with everything happening in our country. A lot discussed here is in the abstract, but for me it is very real, and the stuff we discuss goes directly into how I work on my relationship with my wife, how I raise my kids, and how I move through the temporal plane.
May God grant you many strong Sons and a host of Grandchildren.
>As for me and my house, I will work to be GNON compliant, Jim approved, and Anglin endorsed lol.
Deus Vult
Fuck yeah, brother. God hold and keep you and yours. May he put strength in your arm and fire in your heart.
@Neofugue you really think that pointing out that Anglin is black pilled on women is punching right?
Bitch please. Punching right would be calling Anglin a loser faggot who can’t get his dick wet. I’ve been where Anglin is. He’s very black pilled on women and it’s hurting him and the people he influences. It’s not good for a man to disrepair about women. Nor is it good advice to wait around for God to give you a good woman. God doesn’t work that way, you need to actively seek a good woman.
My only real regrets around here is I didn’t push hard enough when they needed to be pushed. I pushed back mildly on Jim about Barr when Barr was showing signs of deceiving us. My warnings to Pooch were too mild and he ended up in that I.VI entrapment.
Finally I don’t recall anyone having an issue calling out Voxday for being a Purple Pilled Q-Anon retard. That was punching right. We tell the truth around here.
Calling out Vox Day for being a Qtard is not punching right; Qtardism is left of Jim’s Blog. Anglin advocating for putting women into ovens is further right of Jim’s Blog. They are not the same.
When Leftists discuss their extremists, their attitude is, “while Communism is bad in practice, it is good in theory.†The correct mindset with regard to Anglin is, “while his takes are a bit much for me, at least his heart is in the right place.†One can disagree with the stated letter of those further right, but not with the spirit of what is said.
The dissident Right constantly dissolves into infighting over minor squabbles because, in a Leftist society, attacking those further right gives the infighter the illusion of being higher status than his target. Back in 2016, Vox went after Anglin because the Daily Stormer was shut down after the Charlottesville debacle. About half a year ago, infighting between Wignats and Groypers broke out because Nick Fuentes was made low status on a major public interview. There are no significant ideological differences between Vox and Anglin, between Wignats and Groypers, and between Jim and Anglin. The Right infights because it is undisciplined and unserious, eagerly grasping for the scraps of status their masters throw towards them.
The fact that Jim’s Blog is no longer the most right-wing place on the internet should be a cause for celebration because it means that our memes are working. We ought not to be fake gatekeepers but to cherish our extremists so that our ideas will gain even more traction among a greater number of potential allies.
This topic should be promoted to a post. I hadn’t thought of the situation like this:
“The fact that Jim’s Blog is no longer the most right-wing place on the internet should be a cause for celebration because it means that our memes are working.”
I am so used to waking up more isolated and reviled every day, that the thought of moving closer to the Overton Window is quite strange.
The thoughts on infighting are good, but I want to reiterate that I don’t think we crossed any lines here, and the attempts to move an honest discussion towards divide & conquer were identified and mocked.
Putting all women in an ovens is insane, not more rightwing. That’s the sort of shit you see on Incel forums that’s born out of incel rage. You don’t waste a resource like fertile women. If Anglin was advocating abducting women, chaining them up and making them your slaves, that would be more rightwing than what’s talked about here, but I doubt anyone here would have a problem with that solution since that’s the general historical solution to a tribe of men without women.
Here’s what would be more rightwing on women: Tom Brady should kill his cheating nigger fucking wife and dump the body in front of his house as warning to other whores.
Another: Tom Brady should beat his wife until she stop acting out and assumes her proper role.
Very extreme: Tom Brady should kill every mother fucker who fucked his wife and then sell her into slavery for being a whore.
Those are rightwing positions. Anglin’s position is just nuts.
Despair and the black pill is not further right, but further left.
“Deus Vult” is right of “We are doomed”.
I optimistically favor hitting women with a stick and putting them on leashes, because I think a small dose of that will suffice, not because I am weak on the need for women to be under male authority, but because I am optimistic about how successful and effective such measures are. Deus vult!
Right, Those are the real right wing positions – also the actually sane positions
My wife believes that in the event of adultery I will kill her and her lover and sink the bodies in the ocean or bury them in the swamp. Now that is right wing.
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When you give an ally friendly criticism from the right, that is not punching right.
Punching right is “ooh, racist racist racist homophobe misogynist antisemite.”
We are not calling him out for being unduly critical of women. Today, most women deserve that criticism. We are calling him out for the sin of despair. He should believe he can exercise proper authority over a woman, and be willing to cheerfully do the grossly illegal things necessary to accomplish that.
You can and do get pussy by faking alpha, but you have to understand that female perception of alpha is vastly different from male perception of alpha.
When we as a society put women under control, things will be much easier, and nice guys waiting around for God to reward them for their virtue with a virgin will actually be rewarded – with God acting through patriarchs who want virtuous sons in law.
But to put women under control as a society, we are going to need priests and paladins recruited from those that had the balls, the courage, the competence, and the faith to do it individually.
I think this sums it up quite well. But it should also be noted that sometimes good things snowball into bad things. Nothing posted here is anything more than criticism from a friend (maybe a bit rough, but we are not the party of feefees and positivity). But imagine some D&C shill runs to Twitter and says “Jimblog is attacking Anglin” or some such. I know that’s highly unlikely, but I wonder how many instances that we would look back on as “punching right” actually started as good faith and justified criticism. This is right on the edge of concern trolling on my part, and I know that, so I’ll not push it any further, but of late, with a growing mind in my home constantly watching, incorporating, and magnifying, I have started to be way more sensitive to that snowball effect. No shit, my son called my wife “based” the other day. His assessment was correct, so his instincts are good, but still, strange moment for me.
Want to get this down while I’m thinking of it. Below, some of us are having what diplomats call a “frank exchange of views” on the question of whether the educational institutions in the US have always been leftist or whether the left infiltrated them starting some time in the twentieth century (particularly the 1960s, but I’m flexible on that).
A related question arose: How do we identify a state religion?
One narrowing down came from a few of us, in different formulations: If you get your ass beaten down for saying X, then X definitely is not part of the state religion. But then Jim pointed out that the left always devours its own. And in deed, this is one of the eternal leftist patterns. So here’s a puzzler:
During the French Revolution…
1. The revolutionaries beheaded the King. The King was definitely not consistent with the new state religion.
2. The revolutionaries also beheaded Robespierre, who definitely was part of the new state religion.
Now one might say, “Since the new state killed him, he obviously was not part of the new state religion.” I can’t buy that.
So how do we identify a state religion? What lets us say, “Killing the King was the new religion killing a member of the old religion, but killing Robespierre was a case of the religion devouring its own”?
We may have to take the approach that one (apocryphal?) judge famously took toward pornography: “I can’t define it, but I know it when I see it.” But we should be able to do better.
What is to explain? State religions in the midst of power struggles change with the power struggle. You are looking for an essence, but the essence of power struggles is ‘I get to be in charge and the other guy dies’.
The state religion is whatever system the state tells people to believe.
It is completely obvious.
The state religion commands state power and is backed by state power. You can see the power. You can see the power now, and if you go all the way back a century or two or three you can see the power, exercised in roughly the same manner, applied by similar instruments, and radiating out of the same institutions and organization.
And the proposition that blacks are equal to whites except more equal than whites has been backed by Harvard which was backed by and part of state power in New England since well before the civil war.
Power makes the state religion. Power then and power now. And since then they have been cleaning up unprincipled exceptions and little hypocrisies, unveiling their full madness and evil in the process.
Robespierre was a participant in the state church until his participation was cut short. He was only part of it until he was not, which should be obvious. The state religion took a turn and he did not pivot quickly enough, so he got run over. He was killed by state power, in the name of the revolution. He was a victim(well deserved) of the state church, and to try to argue otherwise is an exercise in absurdity.
“Robespierre was a participant in the state church until his participation was cut short. [LOL.] He was a victim (well deserved) of the state church, and to try to argue otherwise is an exercise in absurdity.”
I wouldn’t dream of arguing otherwise. I used this example precisely because it’s so stark. Of course R. was a member of the state church, and an example of the Revolution devouring its own.
But how do we explain this to a man from Mars? We could go with what you, Jim, Red, and S are saying above, which is basically, “The state religion is what state power tells people to believe.” That’s a good start.
But if that’s our definition, then we have to stop saying “If you’re getting your ass kicked for saying X, then X is definitely not part of the state religion.” Robespierre makes that approach all fuzzy.
Robespierre got killed for saying that certain important members of the state church needed to die. Needless to say, certain important members of the state church had a sudden revelation and decided that this was heresy. He was executed for that heresy, for crimes against the revolution. It was the state church deciding that being too holy in that direction was definitely heresy, not at all acceptable. The revolution is supposed to kill the ruling class to make everyone equal, but trying to make everyone more equal by attacking the totally equal, definitely-not-ruling class of the revolution is right out.
In the frame of, “If you’re getting your ass kicked for saying X, then X is definitely not part of the state religion,†X was, ‘Let’s go fucking kill those guys,” and those guys decided that, “Let’s go fucking kill those guys,” was, in fact, totally heresy and absolutely not a part of the state religion. Robespierre does not make it fuzzy, he is actually totally consistent with the state religion stepping down on the necks of heretics and apostates.
“Robespierre got killed for saying that certain important members of the state church needed to die. Needless to say, certain important members of the state church had a sudden revelation and decided that this was heresy.â€
Yes. I’ve been reflecting on this in the last day or two and realized that my thinking about this in terms of the sincere ideological opinions of Robespierre and his opponents (“state religionâ€) was silly.
Robespierre, as you say, got whacked because he was a threat to other guys, who got to him before he could get to them. And the same goes for Stalin and Trotsky. Contra what I said, or implied, below, Stalin didn’t kill Trotsky because they had honest disagreements about Marxist-Lenninist theory. (LOL, what was I thinking?) Stalin – a power politics guy if there ever was one – killed Trotsky because he (correctly) perceived Trotsky as a threat to his power. A sincere clash of doctrines had nothing to do with it.
Stalin spent a great deal of time explaining why Trotsky was a dangerous heretic before he had him offed. Just like the founding fathers spent a great deal of time justifying war against England in religious terms before they declared war.
Religion gives legitimacy to rulers. It’s been the foundation of civilization since day one. No religious legitimacy and it doesn’t matter how many men you command, you’ll end up dead like Lavrentiy Beria. Men won’t fight hard without a faith.
Beria tried to roll back Marxism and the people around him realizing he was a heretic removed him from power despite Beria having the state security forces under his control.
Exactly so. Stalin spent an enormous amount of time and effort setting up a theologically correct justification for nailing Trotsky, and he had a pretty convincing argument, given the reality that further movement left was likely to be even more destructive than the existing movement left (which proposition Trotskyites of course do not accept)
And similarly, Henry the eighth had a compelling argument for dissolving the monasteries – and all movements descended from the Church of England seem to have accepted the argument as true, so it was not just power speaking to truth. Vast numbers of Christians whose faith and sincerity is undeniable have continued to accept the principles and implications of his argument. Because they were damned good principles.
Jim, Red,
Sure, but it’s not as if Stalin was sincere. Or that he would have let Trotsky live if Trotsky had been saying something else.
I have read Stalin. My gut feeling is that he was sincere. Beria was a cynic. Stalin, I am pretty sure, believed. Lenin was something of cynic and hypocrite, but Stalin and Trotsky strike me as true believers.
Hard to know the human heart, and in any case it contains multitudes, but he seemed to me a true believer.
“I have read Stalin. My gut feeling is that he was sincere.”
Evo psych. If Trotsky had been saying different things, Stalin would have sincerely believed that those things were heresies that made it necessary to kill Trotsky. Since Trotsky, due to his prominence, was a threat to Stalin’s position, there’s no level of impeccable Marxist theory Trotsky could have spouted that would have protected him.
There was a genuine and sincere disagreement over what true Marxism entailed, Trotsky being well to the left of Stalin. Being lefter had been a reliable path to power – until it suddenly became a reliable path to the gulag.
They believed.
These were evil people who sincerely believed evil things, and Stalin was willing to kill and die for those things.
Lots of people believed things that did not make them a threat to Stalin and the Soviet Union. For the most part Stalin did not kill them. Lots of people believed things similar to what Trotsky believed. Stalin did kill them, prominent or not, because their beliefs were a threat to Stalin and the Soviet Union. Stalin did what the Thermidorean reaction failed to do.
This was not two men contending for power, but two systems of belief contending for power.
The Thermidoreans believed they were merely fighting a man. The Paris Commune revealed their error.
Stalin never had the slightest doubt that he was fighting an idea.
Trotsky beliefs was fueling the Red Terror where the Bolsheviks where spent their time and energy murdering each other in a holiness spiral. Trotsky wanted this spiral to continue, Stalin wanted it stopped and the Russian economy rebuilt. With Trotsky in charge the killing my have gone the way of Pol Pot.
Stalin’s religious beliefs were not sane, was far more sane than Trotsky’s.
Beria didn’t have a religion, Stalin did which is why Stalin was able to rule and Beria wasn’t.
Finally, most of what we hear about Stalin and Trotsky in the west comes from the Trotskites, or as we know them the Neo-Conservatives. So our view of Trotsky tends to be more mild that it should be and our view of Stalin is distorted by Trotskite propaganda.
Red no Trotsky wanted them to mostly kill non communists at a Khmer Rogue scale… the Bolsheviks until Stalin generally didn’t kill each other they killed other communist groups though.
Stalin was fine with killing other communists he in fact killed almost all of them, but he was less keen on terrorizing the working population especially if they were ethnic Russians. He for reasons that have become very clear lately really really did not like Poles even after he got absolute power and mostly stopped terrorizing Russians…
The Poles actively fighting for the GAE and trying to start WW3 was not in my prediction book. I mean there’s useful idiots and then there’s useful idiots like the Poles supporting Nazis who want them dead while serving the Gay American Empires that’s planning on castrating their children and handing them over to faggots.
They’re simply too stupid to be given a nation state.
My understanding of Soviet Politics was the holiness spiral was killing the Bolsheviks in general along with the common people. Trotsky was urging that this meat grinder continue why Stalin was making speeches about calming down and stop killing everyone.
Once in power he had a lot of Trotskists to liquidate along with purging a red army that had been largely built by Trotsky and was probably loyal to Trotsky.
There were phases of Soviet terrors as I understand it
Phase One: The civil war, mass often random killings (1917-1921). The Bolsheviks did not kill each other they often killed rival communist groups and the rival communist groups would also kill them. They killed party splitters sometimes but you had to deliberately disobey orders openly for that. Beria managed to escape execution (he was on almost all the lists as an anti communists) by volunteering to help the Bolsheviks kill other communists. Also millions starve and some literally resort to murder and cannibalism.
Phase two: NEP era, terror is very light and few people starve but the Bolsheviks generally hate and despise the NEP. Trotsky especially. They would never tolerate it as a permanent situation.
Phase three: Collectivization era (very late 20s early 30s), mass terror against population and mass starvation. Stalin acceded reluctantly to it knowing he couldn’t stop it without getting purged… but then tried to slow it down.
Phase four: The so called Great terror 1937-1938, Stalin manages to win emergency powers to purge the party of a counter revolutionary plot (no doubt directed by Trotsky in league with foreign powers) after the attempted murder of Kirov… eventually he decides most of the original Bolsheviks were involved. This was when Stalin was really killing Bolsheviks. During the 1st part of it though ordinary Russians were often randomly arrested as well.
Phase five: After Stalin gets rid of the psycho communists who were killing everyone Regime terror against ethnic Russians outside the government prettymuch stops completely. The military is purged and ethnic groups that Stalin distrusts on the eve of a major war are kicked out of institutions and moved far away from the border of Reich occupied Europe to Siberia.
Postwar…Stalin actually abolished the death penalty within the Soviet Union after the war for a while it got brought back right before he died but the only terror was in the occupied countries in Eastern Europe… which was sometimes bad as certainly many of those countries did not want to go communist.
Jim, Red:
Regrading Stalin? Come now. Think of all the people Stalin killed whose beliefs obviously had nothing to do with it, whose beliefs he couldn’t even have known.
Ukrainians, all the various purges aimed at very different groups of people…
“This was not two men contending for power, but two systems of belief contending for power.”
It’s not either-or. It’s a truism in this forum that power-hungry people use ideologies to acquire and keep power all the time.
Stalin was urging the brakes on the genocide of the Ukrainians. You are blaming the crimes of Stalin’s enemies on Stalin.
The liquidation of the kulaks as a class ended as soon as Stalin was secure.
Looks to me that Stalin figured the Trots were on course to kill everyone. Stalin’s killings were motivated by real or plausibly suspected possession of dangerous ideas or dangerous knowledge, hence tended to be party members. By and large, the Trot’s killings were motivated by just not liking the Goyim, so tended to be random people who were keeping their heads down and trying to avoid being noticed.
Your view of Stalin is shaped by Trotskites. Animal Farm is the basic anti-commie text most of us started with and even in Animal Farm Orwell put forward the idea that the revolution was betrayed by Stalin who drove Trotsky out. The underlying idea was that if Trotsky had stayed in charge then Socialism would have worked. This is the belief of every modern Communist and our understanding of the world is shaped by these Communists.
Trotsky was the good moral communist while Stalin fucked it all up! It’s bullshit, but it’s what they believe and it’s what you’ve partially bought into. The reality is Trotsky was quickly destroying Russia and murdering all it’s people while Stalin less insane beliefs lead to Russia being turned into a massive economic powerhouse. Russia was badly crippled by socialism under Stalin, but Stalin actually built things up instead of slowly destroying things as Commies typically do. The Soviet Union ran on the fumes from the Stalin era for a very long time.
Note that almost all the industrial capacity of the Soviet Union came from American engineers hired by Stalin to build and train the industrial base. Russian factories where some of the best in the world because American capitalists built them. Communists are forever taking credit for the things capitalists build.
That doesn’t make Stalin a good man, he was intact a very evil man who had a very evil religion that killed millions, but in a choice between Trotsky, Mao, Pol Pot, and Stalin, I’d pick Stalin every time.
You’re falling into the same trap that Moldbug fell into: Ignoring religion and how religion actually drives civilization.
I don’t think I said that, and if I said that, what I meant was something more nuanced.
Robespierre was the leader of the terrorists, who believed that terror was holy, and more terror was holier, and those opposed to terror were insufficiently holy.
Those opposed to terror saw where this was heading, and indeed offed him because he was about to off them, but they had a genuine ideological disagreement with Robespierre on this issue, and though they removed the terrorists from power, failed to do a thorough job of removing the terrorists from existence because of this quite genuine belief system..
So the terrorist belief system kept on festering out of power, and during the Paris Commune, returned to power. This greatly alarmed everyone sane. The Paris Commune was thoroughly crushed, and this time they did do a thorough job at extirpating that belief system by extirpating anyone who smelled vaguely like an adherent of that belief system.
“I don’t think I said that, and if I said that, what I meant was something more nuanced.”
You didn’t say that; I was responding to Wulfgar.
Yes, but my point was precisely that which Jim pointed out. Maybe if Robespierre had gotten to the others first, he would have led the left into devouring itself in an cycle of endless violence. That did not happen. Robespierre picked a fight over the direction of the Cult of Reason, and the anti-autogenocide faction won.
There was a dispute there over both ideology and power, not merely one or the other. Schroedinger’s Doctrine, where both interpretelations are equally correct until the consensus decides. More civilized approaches to this dispute are councils of the church leadership or debates between the positions. Once the decision has been made, the uncertainty disappears, and there is one doctrine again.
The state religion is that which for offending against, one is abused by state power. Sometimes there is a dispute over which interpretation holds sway, but when the dust settles the state religion is always the one still standing.
It comes down to the rectification of names. If you look at the Anglican Church in England, it is the official religion of the United Kingdom. If you blaspheme against Jesus Christ nothing is done. If you blaspheme against the holy negro or blessed tranny, the state comes down on you like a demonic hammer. Which is the state religion of the United Kingdom?
“Yes, but my point was precisely that which Jim pointed out… Robespierre picked a fight over the direction of the Cult of Reason, and the anti-autogenocide faction won.
There was a dispute there over both ideology and power, not merely one or the other.â€
Robespierre said “We need to kill those guys.†If he had been spouting totally different doctrines while saying that, those guys still would have come after him.
Nuts
You with great confidence and without explanation state unreasonable and improbable positions. You need to explain your reasoning.
Robespierre did not say “we need to kill Bob”, and Bob then react by killing Robespierre. Given that everyone was talking in terms of classes, ideologies, and crimes against the Republic, your statement makes no sense.
Robespierre was spouting doctrines that implied the killing of certain guys. If spouting different doctrines, then different guys.
Been trying to put my finger on what this debate is about. This seems like a good jumping board.
Doctrines are not just justifications for power. Well, obviously, in large part they are. But doctrines require the participation of many people, and as such, they tend to become larger than one person.
Robespierre did not say: ‘we need to kill these guys for [arbitrary reason].’ He said: ‘we need to kill these guys because [very valid reason within his espoused doctrine.]’ That might seem arbitrary to you, but it was extremely important and valid to everyone involved at the time. Robespierre tried to push the doctrine in a certain direction, but whether or not that would work was far from certain.
The trial of Charles the First is an excellent example. Why did the Puritans not just execute Charles and get it over with? Why the long and heavy trial? Why was it not just a show trial? Because the state faith was living its own life, with different people tugging at its seams.
Cohesive action requires a leader, a faith, and the capacity to coerce people who do not go along.
A priesthood relies primarily on faith, but still needs coercion, but tends to be limited in its capability to coerce – typically that the leader can exclude non cooperators.
An army relies primarily on coercion, and kill non cooperators, but the higher the rank, the more it has to rely in faith.
A faith, however, cannot be simply constructed by the leader’s command, though the leader may well invite certain people to the process of constructing consensus, while excluding certain others, and pronounce the consensus. Consensus is less dependent on leaders. Consensus usually implies certain actions, but it then takes a leader to make those actions actually happen.
You will not find Henry the Eighth listed in any book of Church fathers of any Church, but he had a huge impact on the Christian faith, by digging up, and making it safe and high status to dig up, the dirt on monasticism. He did not just say “well those guys have too much wealth and power, should belong to the King”, and had he done so, probably would have failed.
For a considerable time, a whole lot of people had been doubting the sanctity of the monastics. Which doubt went into high gear when it got Kingly and aristocratic backing. But the King and the aristocrats issued no doctrine. After the dissolution of the monasteries, then priests eventually came up with doctrine, doctrine that had been in the air for a long time before the dissolution of the monasteries.
So the official consensus was under attack from outside for a long time before the dissolution of the monasteries, then the monasteries were dissolved, and then, in the new reality created by the absence of monasteries, a long time after the monasteries were dissolved, a new official consensus gradually emerged from inside. And it stuck. It was not just artificially held in existence by Kingly power.
Ideas are more powerful than guns.
Me: “Robespierre said ‘We need to kill those guys.’ If he had been spouting totally different doctrines while saying that, those guys still would have come after him.”
Jim: “Nuts. You with great confidence and without explanation state unreasonable and improbable positions. You need to explain your reasoning.”
I think we’ve hit the point of diminishing returns here, and I also think our disagreements at this point, insofar as we actually disagree, are mostly a matter of emphasis. But in answer to your question, all I’m saying is this: I’m pretty sure that if someone said “We need to kill Jim because [whatever reason],” then you’d go after them if you could. I am absolutely not denying that ideologies/state religions are used as an excuse for the “We need to kill [X],” and that a large fraction of the time they are probably sincere, on a conscious level. Obviously both those things are true.
Alf, I don’t disagree with anything you said, but insofar as there is disagreement, I’d have pretty much the above take on it.
But that is not what Robespierre was saying. He was saying “we need to kill people who are [X]” And a whole lot of people suspected that they were [X], and that nothing that they could ever do or say would ever make them not [X].
This is completely different from saying “We need to kill Caesar because [X]”, when the actual reason for convicting Caesar in absentia for assorted crimes was that they were worried that Caesar could legitimately take power by election if the normal processes of the Republic were followed.
This is an important difference. It is a difference that leads to radically different strategies for taking power, keeping power, and staying alive, which strategies lead to radically different outcomes.
And if you ignore that difference, what happened makes no sense at all, and people’s actions and behavior make no sense.
You have a very nonfunctional argument style. You say everyone knows X is true. People tell you that X isn’t true and you need to explain your reasoning of why X is true. You fail to explain yourself and continue the same sort of augments without substance. This cycle continues until you say, well I mostly agree with you and we should move on.
Compare that to Com’s attack on my argument about Trotsky and Stalin killings. I explained what I understood about it, and Com explained in detail the phases of the Bolshevik Revolution’s murders showing that I was incorrect. Com knew more about the subject than I did, presented a compelling case when I asked and I accepted his reasoning. If I had found his answer incorrect, I would have replied in detail or argued with his points. I learned something new today and that’s the whole point of debate among friends.
I’m aware that a lot of what I’ve been told over the years is over lies by people with specific agendas. Knowing that official history is just chocked full of lies and knowing why and by whom you being lied to can be useful in determining true history especially when presented novel information.
We’re not trying to brow beat over these subjects. Just present your argument in detail when challenged or ask for other’s argument in detail. We all learn something new that way.
You’re an excellent writer and very entertaining, but you could improve how you argue to your benefit and ours.
“If you blaspheme against Jesus Christ nothing is done. If you blaspheme against the holy negro or blessed tranny, the state comes down on you like a demonic hammer. Which is the state religion of the United Kingdom?”
No disagreement here, but consider lèse-majesté as well. People with power doesn’t like it when the plebs can call them gay retards and get away with it. Supposedly, officially, our masters are our servants, so they cannot have lèse-majesté laws.
What they can do is shove a bunch of convicted pederast gay retarded obese tranny nigger jews in between themselves and the mean plebs, so if the plebs are mean to the masters, they will say that the pleb secretly aimed for the convicted pederast gay retarded obese tranny nigger jews, and the masterservant must prevent pleb-CPGROTNJ escalation, and can come down on the pleb like a demonic hammer, while forcing all normieplebs to prostrate themselves in deference to the coagulate of vice.
Come to think of it, sounds like lèse majesté laws protecting Satan, which sounds about right.
Red:
I’ll reciprocate by saying that while I find you as annoying as hell, you do make good comments sometimes.
what I am saying is that – while the left’s doctrines may be sincerely held on a conscious level sometimes – those doctrines should not be taken seriously and are not the real reason for the left’s actions. They are rationalizations for the left’s actions. The doctrines change constantly, but the last line of the argument is always, “…therefore it’s vital that we seize total power.”
Why would I say the quote that you called out: “our disagreements at this point, insofar as we actually disagree, are mostly a matter of emphasis�
I’m not being weasally, god damn it. My position – for those of you who care about Jimian piety (rolls eyes) – is simply “Don’t pay attention to the left’s doctrines; if you do that you’re watching the magician’s off hand.â€
THIS. IS. IMPECCABLY. “JIMIAN” – acknowledge that or fuck all the way off – and it’s a sincere point of actual agreement, whether or not you believe I mean it sincerely.
Jim, I suspect this guy’s a “cause internal friction” shill.
While one should not treat the claim that the owner of an applecart is oppressing the proletariat, causing global warming, or whatever, as sincerely held, nor suppose they give a tinker’s dam about the sufferings of the proletariat or the temperature of the earth, one does need to take seriously what their story implies about what apple cart they are coordinating to knock over, and what mob they are assembling to knock it over.
These are not individual conflicts, Stalin versus Trotsky, but struggles over Schelling points for group coordination.
Trotsky was a purer communist than Stalin, because his communism was unconstrained by practical economic considerations. Since there had been repeated cycles of the ever lefter grabbing power from the insufficiently left, his purity was likely to result in him grabbing power from Stalin, which was undoubtedly the real motive behind such lunatic purity and the real reason for Stalin crushing the Trots – but such purity was likely to result in someone grabbing power from Stalin, regardless of what happened to Trotsky. The ideas, rather than Trotsky himself, were the threat.
Ideas matter. And they still matter even when they should not be taken seriously. They may not be the real motives for the left’s actions, but they are the real mechanism for left coordination to take action.
The details of Trotsky’s superior purity are irrelevant, uninteresting, hypocritical, and not sincerely held. And in this sense, it would be pointless to pay attention to the ideological argument. But the argument was real enough regardless. Stalin was impure, because concerned with practical consequences. His reasoning that Trotskyism was “objectively fascist” was that it was likely to have stupid and disastrous practical consequences that the fascists would be happy about.
I already knew everything you put into your comment, but I couldn’t express it in a manner that was remotely comprehensible. It turned into a pile of gobidly goop that I didn’t even bother posting. And then you break it down into a few easy to understand paragraphs describing a very complex system with such ease. Just amazing.
Well said Jim.
Hence, point deer make horse, and not point deer make horse or dog or helicopter or whatever I feel like calling it today.
ps my browser has trouble processing comment section since hitting 1700 comments or so. Not sure if just me or…
pps red don’t sell yourself short you were pretty close on the money.
pops neuro red has been here longer than I have, he’s pretty much baked into the furniture at this point.
I agree with most of this. The one part I have reservations about is “These are not individual conflicts, Stalin versus Trotsky…†and that comes down to just what is meant. Plainly the two men were in conflict. The question is why. Ideology mattered. I am far from convinced that it was the only thing that mattered. But then, I’m not sure that Jim et al are claiming that, so that might be a strawmanning of their position.
The previous paragraph is a good example of why I said I think that such disagreements as we have are largely matters of emphasis at this point.
(I suppose the previous sentence will cause Red to imply that I’m being insincere or whatever, but I guess that’s just something I have to learn to live with.)
Just re-read Jim’s comment that I was responding to. Yeah, pretty much that entire comment is gold.
You’re projecting, I’m about as subtle as a boulder rolling down a hill. If I’m going to attack you it’s going to be something very direct. I got into a tear down fight with Com over Covid and Starman after the election was stolen that was wall to wall insults. None of my attacks were subtle.
It’s been a frustrating but productive debate. Jim’s comment at the end is just awesome and I think marks the end of it.
Jim: “But that is not what Robespierre was saying. He was saying “we need to kill people who are [X]†And a whole lot of people suspected that they were [X], and that nothing that they could ever do or say would ever make them not [X].”
You, and I, and everyone else within a light-year of this political space are going to be, of already have been, identified as “Nazi racist fascists” and nothing we could do would ever make us not “Nazi racist fascists”.
Similar, except that they were guillotining lots of people and their ever more elastic definition of enemies was pointing at a substantial fraction of those in power.
Just did a blog post on Jim’s comment on ideologies as violence-coordinating Schelling points.
Jim, you might consider turning that comment into a post here. I know this isn’t all-request radio, but it sums up certain points, about the game theory of solving a certain coordination problem, quite tersely and clearly.
just read your blog post.
Pretty good, and I will promote that conversation into a blog post in due course, but currently in real life events press hard, there are bunch of threads that deserve promotion, and I am currently working up post based on an old conversation about Marxist theory.
Do you not understand what a holiness spiral is?
“If you’re getting your ass kicked for saying X, then X is definitely not part of the state religion”
This is incomprehensible
You declare that you hate niggers, FBI/DOJ SWAT come down hard on you and your family, destroying you and throwing you in prison.
Clearly negro worship are part of the state religion.
Hence getting your ass kicked for X, mean X is part of the state religion.
Me: “But if that’s our definition, then we have to stop saying “If you’re getting your ass kicked for saying X, then X is definitely not part of the state religion.†Robespierre makes that approach all fuzzy.”
Red: “Do you not understand what a holiness spiral is?”
I can’t tell whether you’re saying that Robespierre was, or wasn’t, a member of the state religion at the time he was killed.
Of course Robespierre was a member of the state religion. The leading and most authoritative member. And he did not actually cease to be the leading and most authoritative member until his head fell into the basket in front the guillotine.
If it had been possible for him to cease to be the leading and most authoritative member of the state religion while head was still attached to body, he might have died in bed with head still attached.
Where did the left that “infiltrated†the institutions of the 60s come from? Were they Soviet agents perhaps? Trained on Marx and Lenin in a cellar in some Eurasian backwater? No; there is only one source for them.
[whig history of the left deleted*]
You criticize Neurotoxin from the left, but are strangely unable to notice me and Aidan criticizing him from the right.
You should have responded to Aidan’s position, not to Neurotoxin’s. Responding to Neurotoxin from the left is argument by false consensus, as if the only thinkable alternatives were insane savage homicidal demon worship and raving bloodstained insane savage homicidal demon worship, as if thought outside that little box of hatred and mass murder was unimaginable.
Jim I think you mean Neurotoxin.
Yes, corrected it
Ok, here’s a new axiom for you that further supports my model [*leftism presented as rightism deleted*]
The left’s position is that they marched through the institutions. The right’s position, [*not the right’s position, not the reactionary right’s position, not the alt right position, and not the normie Republican position*]
In your telling of it, the right volunteered for what has happened. No one on the right thinks they volunteered.
The fast vs slow government model [*deleted for gross disconnect from reality*]
The right does not act or think like that. Republicans don’t act or think like that. People in the suburbs don’t act or think like that.
Some bits of your description would be accurate if you could bring yourself to acknowledge the black problem, but, without mention of that, you describe suburbanites acting irrationally for no sane reason, so you make up some absurd insane reasons almost at random.
“Responding to Neurotoxin from the left is argument by false consensus, as if the only thinkable alternatives were insane savage homicidal demon worship and raving bloodstained insane savage homicidal demon worship”
For fuck’s sake, Jim. Sure, I’m an apostle of insane savage homicidal demon worship. I’m so distraught that you saw through me! I thought I had you fooled!
Oh, what the hell. Might as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb.
Hello, fellow reactionaries. As all of us agree, the left infiltrated the universities from without. Assuming that as part of the background assumption of our conversation, let us now, within that framework, discuss tangentially relevant issues…
(PS: Mr. Soros, the check hasn’t cleared yet. Can I expect remuneration soon?)
Not an apostle, but you are telling the flattering story that a bunch of insane savage homicidal demon worshipers tell about themselves. They like to believe that they conducted revolution from below. Which was kind of true in 1640 or so, back when they were arguably sane and not dramatically evil and malicious, and they have been recycling that story ever since.
Today they are rebelling against the mighty oppressive power of patriarchy, male supremacy, and heteronormativity by heroically liberating your children from their genitals and sodomizing them.
And you also previously told us of their heroic struggle against the FBI and CIA. The left was the CIA and FBI.
These are tales told by evil and dangerous people to praise themselves and to disarm their enemies preparatory to destroying them.
“Not an apostle, but you are telling the flattering story that a bunch of insane savage homicidal demon worshipers tell about themselves. They like to believe that they conducted revolution from below.”
Just to clear up what I think about that: They were not oppressed downtrodden victims conducting revolution from below. The left’s claim to be downtrodden, or even to speak for the downtrodden, is of course ridiculous.
(My canonical mental image of these people is an upper-middle-class white kid with a bullhorn doing some obnoxious rabble-rousing.)
“Where did the left that “infiltrated†the institutions of the 60s come from? Were they Soviet agents perhaps?”
For a long time a significant chunk of the US left was indeed backed in various ways by the USSR. Whether that particularly applies to those who went into academia I don’t know.
“Where did the left that “infiltrated†the institutions of the 60s come from? Were they Soviet agents perhaps? Trained on Marx and Lenin in a cellar in some Eurasian backwater?”
60s were the time when WASPs were displaced from institutions like universities by Jews, who were mostly children of immigrants from the territory of the USSR but not state agents of the USSR.
They were related by blood and culture to the early Bolsheviks, less so to the later USSR of Krushchev, but still very sympathetic to it. They were seen at the time as further left than the WASP professoriat, which had also been leftist.
Accusations at the time that institutions were being taken over by state agents of the USSR – though not completely false – were mostly a way to draw attention to this fact without being accused of Naziism.
Aright bitchez, I just skimmed the thread and see that it’s still live, as I expected. But, long day. I’ll be back tomorrow.
Bruh, what is up with the retardness of our enemies, Paypal is sticking it to ‘disinformation’ by charging fines of 2500 to anyone they catch like wtf. You have a website where as long as someone has there account on it you can get tons of information on them and you drive them away with some paltry fee? Completely retardation, but feels like its just the first rollout before they get banks to do the same.
If our enemies were actually smart, they wouldn’t be hack-sawing these kinds of methods together in order to stick it to whitey, and I’m not gonna bother giving them any ideas.
The point is control. Government can’t “legally” fine free speech, so the unofficial organs of the government does it for them.
Looking at Charles the second, who had complete power and legitimate authority to silence speech, he seemed to rely primarily on gentler and subtler measures remarkably similar to those deployed today. Well, that, and burning a difficult woman at the stake.
The trouble is that if you overtly silence speech, you Streisand it.
As Jim predicted long ago, Ethereum is controlled by enemies.
Ethereum relays are censoring transactions/blocks that are not OFAC compliant. The percentage of blocks that are OFAC compliant is steadily rising, and now over 50%:
https://www.mevwatch.info/
I’m no blockchain expert, but seems like the change from PoW to PoS has made things easier to censor. Probably why they came for tornado cash when they did?
https://twitter.com/CryptoSeq/status/1578738697738256386
“With PoW even though 80-90% used flashbots, miners had the ability to include OFAC transactions in addition to the bundle offered by flashbots, whereas with the current PoS implementation builders provide the entire block and no additional tx can be added by the validator”
Had to look up “OFAC” – Office of Foreign Asset Control. Now that sounds quite Orwellian if you ask me.
Orthodox (Lesser) Jihad.
https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1580224092468174848
Lots of people who never knew Jesus, and who Jesus never knew, can claim to be Christians. But you know it’s on when there are icons of Mary seen from the streets.
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https://neurotoxinweb.wordpress.com/
I’ve been reading Neurotoxin blog and it’s quite interesting. I had been leaning towards viewing him as a shill, but after reading 30 or 40 of his blog posts that seems very unlikely. He comes across as English major. Excellent writing, lots of literary quotes, but light on logic and reading between the lines with history.
Discovering that General Butt Naked is a real guy is quite funny. The first thing I would have done when hearing a about a guy named General Butt Naked is either ask who is he or google it. Damn I love those old Vice videos.
But that’s consistent with NT English major/literary focused. Generally everything we talk about his rooted in historical fact because we’re history guys. We generally don’t invent things for literary usefulness to explain ideas because there’s always a real historical example of a behavior or idea in action. We don’t need to invent General Butt Naked because such men do exist and have always existed. Literary guys are adapt invent things like General Butt Naked to make a point.
NT makes logical leaps all over the place without really showing how he got from A->C->M->Z. Going from A->Z usually isn’t an issue with ideas that everyone knows and agrees with, but NT goes from A->Z and expects people to understand all the logical steps he took between A and Z. That has led to a lot of weird arguments with him on this blog. He doesn’t explain his reasoning and the leap from A->Z and thus A->Z seems incorrect without that explanation. Typically one should explain the steps that lead from A->Z so that the points can be argued and tested for validity if there isn’t agreement on the logical leap.
NT might want to spend more time asking questions about others arguments and flushing out the steps in his own arguments. It should lead to better debate.
We’ve had funny debates with Neuro before, most prominently on him not believing our conviction that many of the Roterham girls had purposely been putting themselves in situations to be gangraped. This was funny because on his blog Neuro extensively writes about the dark sexual nature of women, prompting Jim to jest that maybe Neuro should read his own blog.
But we made amends since. Hopefully we will do so again.
“NT goes from A->Z and expects people to understand all the logical steps he took between A and Z.â€
The universe, including my blog apparently, is a Rorschach test.
– – – – – – – – – –
alf: “…Rotherham…”
God no. Not again.
“But we made amends since. Hopefully we will do so again.”
I hope there’s nothing to make amends about; we’re just having a disagreement.
I’m sure everyone here has already seen it:
https://twitter.com/BabelHodl/status/1578583611451748352
Russia’s improving their meme game bit by bit.
Lol, very good. They didn’t even have to roll out the gays and trannies to make their point.
Forgive MOTHER RUSSIA! We’re coming back!