Stagflation is here

Walmart reports it is selling less stuff, and is going to have to raise prices further.

If it is selling less stuff, everyone is buying less stuff. Meaning everyone is poorer, living standards are falling

If everyone is buying less stuff, and yet stuff is still in short supply, then production of value is falling. As has been obvious from holding a finger to the wind for some time, but this is a concrete confirmation. Official cpi and gdp statistics have, as I have said before, long been fraudulent and are approaching Soviet levels of mendacity.

I attribute the decline to three main factors

1. Unstable price levels foul up business planning. Your books become meaningless.

2. Unstable price levels disrupt relationships between businesses. Things have to be renegotiated.

3. ESG. Environmental, Social, and Governance. The state is weaponizing your accounting department to impose holiness on you. This accelerates the existing disruption caused by the Human Resources Department and women in the workforce.

Accelerating levels of holiness are characteristic of a left singularity, which usually blows up pretty fast, and then it is over, and your society very likely recovers. Sometimes it does not.

We have long had technological decline in an increasing number of fields. Now we have economic decline. This may pass in time, probably will pass, but long term economic decline is a possibility, in which case we may heading into a dark age. Dark ages set in slowly, and last for a long time. I think this merely the effects of the holiness spiral, and after the holiness spiral self destructs, technological and economic progress will resume. Which one it is, however, will not be apparent for some considerable time. Depends on how the left singularity ends. Deng fixed China, but Xi is returning to the Marxist ideology that Deng theoretically left in place, while ignoring in actual practice.

1,190 Responses to “Stagflation is here”

  1. Oscar C. says:

    “Deng fixed China, but Xi is returning to the Marxist ideology that Deng theoretically left in place, while ignoring in actual practice.”

    Funnily enough, you are the second person I hear this take from, the first being left-wing youtuber Caleb Maupin. I won’t link since I know that you don’t like it but he has a video in which he claims Xi Jinping & the CCP are the cutting edge of Marxism today, not Western universities (makes perfect sense).

    China vs USG will be an interesting match because both sides have huge strengths and weaknesses simultaneously.

  2. Kunning Druegger says:

    From The Origins of Contemporary France (1881):

    ” “Contemplate the incalculable activity of such a machine in a loquacious nation where the passion for being something dominates all other affections, where vanity has more phases than there are stars in the firmament, where reputations already cost no more than the trouble of insisting on their being deserved, where society is divided between mediocrities and their trumpeters who laud them as divinities; where so few people are content with their lot, where the corner grocer is prouder of his epaulette than the Grand Condé of his Marshal’s baton, where agitation without object or power is perpetual, where from the floor-scrubber to the dramatist, from the academician to the simpleton who gets muddled over the evening newspaper, from the witty courtier down to his philosophic lackey, each one revises Montesquieu with the self-sufficiency of a child which, because it is learning to read, deems itself wise; where self-esteem, in disputation, cavilling and sophistication, destroys all sensible conversation; where no one utters a word but to teach, never imagining that to learn one must keep quiet; where the triumphs of a few lunatics entice every crackbrain from his den; where, with two nonsensical ideas put together out of a book that is not understood, a man assumes to have principles; where swindlers talk about morality, women of easy virtue about civism; and the most infamous of beings about the dignity of the species; where the discharged valet of a grand seignor calls himself Brutus!” —

    In reality, he is Brutus in his own eyes. Let the time come and he will be so in earnest, especially against his late master; all he has to do is to give him a thrust with his pike. Until he acts out the part he spouts it, and grows excited over his own tirades; his common sense gives way to the bombastic jargon of the revolution and to declamation, which completes the Utopian performance and eases his brain of its last modicum of ballast.
    […]
    Political charlatans flock thither from every quarter, those taking the lead who, being most in earnest, believe in the virtue of their nostrum, and need power to impose its recipe on the community; all being saviors, all places belong to them, and especially the highest. They lay siege to these conscientiously and philanthropically; if necessary, they will take them by assault, hold them through force, and, forcibly or otherwise, administer their panacea to the human species.”

    History may rhyme, but this feels like repetition.

    • Adam says:

      It seems to be a fool is the default state of man. If only wisdom reproduced as quickly as people do.

  3. Kunning Druegger says:

    From Tree of Woe [ https://treeofwoe.substack.com/p/running-on-empty-part-i?s=w ]:

    “For everyone else, the petrodollar system turned out to be a Trojan Horse, a promising gift that destroyed the recipient. By ending the oil crisis and reducing the price of imports, the petrodollar initially seemed to benefit consumers. But in order to consume, consumers needed to have money, and to have money they needed well-paid jobs. By deindustrializing the US, the petrodollar system destroyed the manufacturing jobs that had sustained the working class. In order to maintain their standard of living, US consumers began to borrow money. As their debt rose, though, their position only worsened.”

    ToW asserts that the creation and utilization of the Petrodollar system did this. In The Bell Curve, Herrnstein and Murray document the massive expansion of the Ivy League and Friends in terms applications and acceptances. H&M build a convincing case for a caste system based on alumni status being built by the Though Leaders at Harvard & Yale.

    The question: was the Petrodollar instrumental in the creation of this caste system, or did it just coincidentally buttress it? If so, was it intentional or incidental? Wouldn’t it be relatively simple and substantially effective to just get rid of the Petrodollar system, or is it just a small part of the rot and largely inconsequential?

    • The Ducking Man says:

      One thing for sure is ivy league and friends created generations of people dumber than rock and more psychopathic than animal becoming leaders. People who are at best useless at worst detrimental.

      If there is only one thing I want our future generations do is erasing Ivy League and it’s children (Mckinsey, Blackrock, and it’s kin) from the annals of history.

    • Guy says:

      …second-order effect of the petrodollar system was to flood the US with inexpensive imported goods…everyone in the world suddenly wanted to send us their goods in exchange for our US dollars. And since those dollars were the only way to buy oil, the dollar was strong, meaning the imports were cheap

      foreign countries no longer needed to redeem their US dollars for American goods or gold. Instead, they could use them to buy OPEC oil. And they did.

      petrodollar system gave the US comparative advantage in manufacturing dollars [Guy: saying that this dis-incentivized non-financial sectors]

      I had never heard the argument that the petrodollar arrangement itself was to blame for the deindustrialization. The arguments aren’t completely unconvincing, but it seems to me that deliberate hampering of industry through onerous regulations and trade deals were much bigger culprits. People didn’t stop buying American because they could get the goods cheaper, but because the prices of the American goods went up until nobody could afford them or until they cut corners until they were as bad as the imports, and the businesses went under, then the industries went under.

      • Guy says:

        I tried to quote the text above the last paragraph. From the linked article

      • Kunning Drueger says:

        I think the second order effect was not necessarily conscious decision making by the consumer so much as collective “business decisions” moving the markets of goods and services. Not a finance person at all, but isn’t there a complexity to supply and demand created by the many steps between raw material and goods recipient? In terms of launching/building businesses and maintaining and increasing revenue, the petrodollar scheme would, over time, turn the Dollar from a currency into a commodity… Right? I passed econ class by social engineering and a wicked curve (midterm 28, final 40… I was in the top 10% out of an amphitheater of just the worst mutts and foreigners you could imagine), so I’m completely out of my depth.

  4. Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfYYraMgiBA

    An example of a smartypants without internalized low status.

    • Kunning Druegger says:

      Has anyone done anything “artistic” with blockchain, like a chain letter or a never ending shitpost?

      • Kunning Drueger says:

        Theoretically, could I make Pepecoin, and only ever mine 3, then delete and hide everything so there are only three Pepecoin in existence? Like, cryptographically unique?

        Could I also do this as a celebrity with a bunch of fans and influence?

  5. Doom says:

    The Ukrainian government has fired someone for spreading false and unfounded propaganda about the Russians.

    https://www.newsweek.com/lyudmila-denisova-ukraine-commissioner-human-rights-removed-russian-sexual-assault-claims-1711680

    https://en.rua.gr/2022/05/31/verkhovna-rada-commissioner-for-human-rights-lyudmila-denisova-fired/

    They’re also blaming her for blocking humanitarian corridors that the Russians had opened.

    Also
    https://www.rt.com/russia/556400-ukraine-fire-official-russian-crimes/

    Note in this article, the Russians asked her to help with stopping the (illegal, remember) torture of Russian POWs (very widely reported and gloated about by the nationalists) and she told them to fuck off.

    They’re going to fold soon. Zelenskyy will claim that he was relying on reports from people like her and he will be apologetic. Zelenskyy will also retire as president and relocate, because despite losing many soldiers there will still be nationalists who will have his head for negotiating with the Russians. Watch this space.

    • The Cominator says:

      Good information and good news. Azovfags being thrown under the bus means its over soon…

  6. Adam says:

    As far as the drop in testosterone, is this worldwide? Is anyone aware of this? I am curious how much successful repression of female sexual choice affected testosterone levels, as many males wound up fathering children who otherwise would not. As it stands now, it seems like we are going to go back to the “1 male per 17” reproductive rate. Is this not natures way of bringing the testosterone levels back up, with only the high testosterone guys fathering children?

    • jim says:

      > As far as the drop in testosterone, is this worldwide?

      Female emancipation is world wide.

      People trying to track the cause and blaming chemical pollution have been looking for regional variation. I don’t think they have come up with anything terribly suggestive, which might be because they were looking for the wrong causes.

      • Kunning Drueger says:

        Imagine a weather forecast map based on women, their age, or male income level, or some metric. A shit test likelihood heat map.

        “I tell ya, Frank. Everything is just peachy.”

        “Slow down, Earl. A mildly disappointed front is blowing in, and there’s a generally disappointed cell right behind it.”

        “I ain’t worried Frank. I’m long on side bitches and my ex just divorced.”

        Based, Earl. Fucking based.”

      • Javier says:

        Chemtrails!

        (Kidding)

        (Maybe)

      • Dr. Faust says:

        If I was looking for regional variation I’d look at sub-Saharan Africa or perhaps a Muslim country. Or I’d look at chimps and test for test levels of wild versus caged.

        My guess about it is the same it’s always been. Urbanization too closely resembles captivity and produces dysfunction as a result. As the saying goes ‘all good families are the same.’ Only one way to do things right. Many ways to go wrong.

        Mental illness may also have some memetic function as well making it communicable in a sense. This dysfunctions spread is exacerbated via internet and tik tok specifically. So I wouldn’t deny a socio-spiritual cause as well as environment.

    • restitutor_orbis says:

      I don’t know what is causing the T decline, but I do know what can fix it, chemically at least.

      There is a little-known drug called Clomid (Clomiphene Citrate) that has proven to have an off-label use in reactivating testosterone production in men. It’s not covered by insurance cause off-label but it’s inexpensive – $25 to $100 per month depending on your pharmacy. A company called Hone will provide a rent-a-doctor to give you a prescription if your local doctor won’t. Unlike testosterone injections, users of Clomid don’t get shots with added T, they instead get more natural T from their own gonads.

      Last year I was diagnosed with low T (it had fallen to 100!) and went on Clomid. The effects were veritably miraculous as my T climbed to over 1000 and I felt a renewed elan I hadn’t had in years. I lost weight, I needed less sleep, my work productivity went up. Victory on every front.

      I am convinced that if we could get even a fraction of the American men on this drug, it would change the world. The contrast in how my life felt before and after was so strong that I am nowadays convinced that low T in men is deliberately inflicted, or at least happily embraced, as a tool to subjugate.

      • Kunning Druegger says:

        Can you give more info and details? Not for me, I’m an alphachad swimming in poon. It’s for my friend…

        • restitutor_orbis says:

          I’m on 50mg of generic clompihene citrate per day as a 180lb man. Monthly cost was ~ $50. I had to have a blood test beforehand and get re-tested every three to six months.

          It’s made me lose some hair around the temples but this is more than counterbalanced by the increase in testicular fortitude. LOL

        • yewotm8 says:

          Higher hormone levels as detected in the brain cause it to send fewer signals to the testicles to produce. The result is a high testosterone concentration in the blood, but shriveled nuts that can resemble raisins and terrible sperm quality and quantity. But if one blocks the sensors in the brain from seeing quite so many hormones, the negative feedback path is blocked and suddenly now the bloodstream is awash with testicle signals.

          Usually it’s only used to kickstart the natural production again after coming off of steroids as a sort of shock to the feedback loop, offsetting the previous shock of exogenous hormones. I’ve not heard of simply taking it without exogenous testosterone usage but in principle it should work. The problem would be the side effects, which can be worse than those of Testosterone itself. Every bodybuilder “knows” that you don’t fuck with Clomid long term or at high dosages and only use it sparingly in post-cycle therapy.

          • Cloudswrest says:

            According to Wikipedia Clomid is a mixture of two isomers

            Enclomifene 62% which is androgenic. Short half life

            Zuclomifene 38% which is estrogenic. Long half life

            So a dose of Clomid is initially androgenic, but the androgenic Enclomifene part goes away faster leaving the estrogenic Zuclomifene.

            Pure Enclomifene seems like an androgenic wonder drug. It stimulates one’s balls instead of turning them into raisins. It was mysteriously removed from the approval process.

            By December 2016, it was in preregistration and was under review by the Food and Drug Administration in the United States and the European Medicines Agency in the European Union. In January 2018, the Committee for Medicinal Products for Human Use of the European Medicines Agency recommended refusal of marketing authorization for enclomifene for the treatment of secondary hypogonadism. In April 2021, development of enclomifene was discontinued for all indications.

      • Adam says:

        I have heard of some success with clomid, but as far as long term use it is discouraged on most of the bodybuilding/steroid forums I have found. Most point to price and side effects. Mostly side effects.

        Test is dirt cheap, especially if you buy raw powder and brew it yourself (very simple).

        • restitutor_orbis says:

          Do you mind sharing what the side effects they’ve experienced are? The only thing I have noticed is that my hair line has receded slightly more rapidly.

          Clomid does require regular blood tests to evaluate blood and liver, perhaps that concerned them? I imagine if you’re using a performance enhancement cocktail that could be a big risk.

          I’ve never tried powers, injections, etc.

          • Adam says:

            I’m not sure what they are. Might try searching steroid or bodybuilding forums or the reddit steroids sub. Lots of info on clomid it’s often used post-cycle.

          • Aidan says:

            I don’t buy the “T causes hair loss” bullshit. Ye olde knights and Greek hoplites had T that would make all of us look like little girls and kept their flowing locks well into old age in most cases. The hair loss is seed oils or lack of sunlight, some fundamental component of virility that’s lacking in today’s men.

            • Adam says:

              Hair loss is a side effect of a lot of anabolics as well as ancillaries. Seems to be highly personal as far as who is affected and by what degree.

              • Aidan says:

                I suspect it’s a second order effect related to the body not effectively processing the extra T rather than due to the T itself. Because testosterone is the devil, unlikely anyone looked too closely at why hair loss correlates with T. When I think of the young men I know who are balding prematurely, they all appear to have excessively low rather than excessively high T

        • jim says:

          I am off exogenous testosterone right now, but when I was on it, always purchased the liquid ampoules. Tell us about brewing it yourself.

          • Adam says:

            You buy the raw powder, for whatever you want, test, deca, tren etc. All injectable and oral steroids are manufactured as a powder. You can buy from China, or US domestic or wherever you live. Plenty of steroid forums have sub forums for sources. Pay with bitcoin. It’s risky but not really if you do your homework.

            General idea is to suspend the hormone you want in an oil, grape seed oil or MCT or something like that. Add a small amount of solvent and a really small amount of alcohol to eliminate possible bacterial growth, mix it all together sometimes with a little heat until it’s all suspended, filter it through a 0.22 micron filter and then bottle it.

            Formulas and specifics for everything as far as volume and weights are online. Lots of help and examples on steroid forums, http://www.thinksteroids.com is the best in my opinion. They have a really good sub-forum for sources too, and they get vetted by members a lot like shills do here.

            You can buy say 100 grams of test cypionate raws for a couple hundred dollars, spend another couple hundred on glassware, vials, filters etc. and be set for years. Raws last at least 10 years when vacuum sealed and stored properly.

            First time you do it can be a little messy, but once you know what your doing you can take 10 grams of test and make 5x 10ml bottles of finished oil at 200mg/ml in a couple hours easy.

            I’ll be on trt for life and blast a couple times a year so it’s a no brainer for me. Once you get comfortable with the process you’ll never waste money buying questionable underground gear again.

      • Ghost says:

        Interesting, Clomid had its start as a treatment for infertility in women due to ovarian cysts. Somehow it hacks the male endocrine system to produce more T.

        I would take a more conservative approach. Look at diet and exercise first then get retested. You can quickly gain muscle with a routine of heavy lifting and high protein diet. 100 is pretty low though, should be at least 500 or more. I would avoid drinking from plastic containers. Even tap water contains plastics and other chemicals women flush into the system.

        I got tested about a year ago and was in the correct range for my age. I lifted when I was in my 20s for a few years and that might have helped.

        • jim says:

          > I got tested about a year ago and was in the correct range for my age.

          No you were not. “correct” range for testosterone has been furtively and openly lowered, with doctors getting very vigorous guidance and rather harsh enforcement that they are to refrain from creating “unnecessary” anxiety in patients, just as correct range for blood sugar has been furtively and openly raised. They will not tell patients with terrifyingly high blood sugar that they are diabetic, unless it is really terrifying, they will not give patients the D-Dimer test because of “false” positives – though they make the “false” positive false by not following it up by looking at the blood through a microscope and instead following it up with NMRI, which is useless, expensive, inconvenient, and irrelevant, and gives a false negative.

          Unless you were told your testosterone is well above “normal”, it was probably far below what used to be normal.

          • Ghost says:

            No? They’ve been studying testosterone since when? 1930s I think. So we can’t really get a baseline of normal beyond then.

            My advice is to first try to increase without meds. You should be able to do it by increasing muscle. The endocrine system works in a balance with other hormones. Increased muscle will increase testosterone.

            Using meds to artificially create this, can alter hormone balance and when you try to go off your meds, you may find you can’t because your system is dependent.

          • Ghost says:

            I wasn’t able to find any testosterone studies by year myself. But, I’ve read Jim’s posts long enough to know he has done his research to back it up. And I don’t doubt that levels are dropping. I just don’t know the actual reason. It could be genetic entropy. There is research to support diet and muscle mass and plastics. You can’t change your genetics but the other things you can. If you want an immediate boost in testosterone, all these ideas here seem good. But, know the price to longterm health. If I was going to take testosterone, I would research how to make it myself.

            Another thought, I read a medical paper that was critical of circumcision and that it can stunt development. Circumcision is part of the old covenant.

      • yewotm8 says:

        Clomiphene (clomid) and other Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators have been known to cause blindness. A small fraction of the population’s eyes are sensitive to and can be permanently damaged by them. There are countless bodybuilder stories of this.

        Enclomiphene does not have any such tales and is regarded as much more tolerable but as of yet is not as prevalent or widely available from black market sources.

    • Doom says:

      When men are aged 15-25 they’re really at their most productive.

      If you can get men into something other than competing directly for women, eg, video games, porn, whatever, you’re going to lower their testosterone.

    • Whitey says:

      > As far as the drop in testosterone, is this worldwide?

      Go almost anywhere on the planet, and the average man is doing a lot less strenuous labor and, relatedly, spending less time in the sun. Those two alone likely account for most of the T drop.

      Horrible diets full of processed foods, chemicals, pollution, and women being a lot less feminine are additional factors.

  7. Kunning Druegger says:

    BJC News Roundup

    Peter Zeihan says there’s no way that China would invade Taiwan. Not possible. Not even worth discussing the impossibility.

    “The world is not going to take lightly to the Chinese upending the chip supply chain. Nor can China expect to avoid crippling economic consequences. Consider that outside of energy and extracted resources, Russia has not spent most of its post-Cold War life integrating too heavily into the global economy. China is the complete opposite. Whatever difficulties Moscow is facing with Western economic sanctions, China’s pain would undoubtedly be orders of magnitude worse. ”

    https://us11.campaign-archive.com/?u=de2bc41f8324e6955ef65e0c9&id=f040c6d835

    In other news, Brazilian numbers respecter warns that something is going to happen in Taiwan.

    “China has been on war footing for months now, and all the signs are there, and Taiwan is overplaying its hands, and over-relying on the USA to come to the rescue. Keep an eye on Taiwan.”

    https://hiddencomplexity.substack.com/p/short-the-impending-taiwan-conflict?s=r

    In a daring display of optimism in the face of facts, High Bishop Blinken outlines strategy for the US outcompeting China.

    “U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken outlined the Biden administration’s strategy to outcompete China in the next decade by investing in critical infrastructure, bolstering supply chain security and working with allies. In a long-anticipated speech in Washington, he said the U.S. intends to ‘shape the strategic environment’ to ensure Beijing does not move the world away from the universal values that have helped shape the international order for the past 75 years.”

    https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/china/2022/05/china-220526-voa01.htm

    Speaking of optimism, apparently Russian Progress in UKR is “incremental,” which of course means Not Real.

    “Despite an enormous advantage in numbers, Russian forces attacking the Donbas region of Ukraine have made only “incremental progress,” a senior defense official said today. Russia has deployed 110 operational battalion tactical groups in Ukraine, the official said. The majority are in the south, and the remaining groups are split and fighting in the Donbas region. Even with the preponderance of troop numbers, officials say Russian forces have made small gains.”

    https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/ukraine/2022/05/ukraine-220526-dodnews01.htm

    It is being reported that there are growing divisions in the ROC due to the war.

    “The leaders of Orthodox churches in Ukraine that have been affiliated with the Russian Orthodox Church on May 27 adopted measures to sever ties with Russia over its invasion of Ukraine in a significant move against the Russian Orthodox Church and its spiritual leader.”

    https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/ukraine/2022/05/ukraine-220527-rferl04.htm

    The US may be moving towards supplying rocket weapon systems so the UKR can attack the Russians.

    “Multiple U.S. officials, speaking to CNN on the condition of anonymity, said the Biden administration is leaning toward sending some MLRS to Ukraine, with an announcement possible in the next week.”

    https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/ukraine/2022/05/ukraine-220527-voa01.htm

    … but don’t worry, because there’s no way, under any circumstances, that the US would empower its UKR friends to attack them in Russia.

    “Reports by CNN and the Washington Post claimed Biden was leaning toward providing Ukraine MLRS and another system, the High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS), as part of a bigger military aid package to Kiev. t was not clear which system Biden was referring to in his comments. According to a report by the New York Times, the US, apart from giving financial aid and advanced weapons to Ukraine, has provided Ukrainian forces with intelligence, including information on Russian troop movements and location of Russia’s mobile military headquarters that has helped them target and kill Russian generals.

    https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/ukraine/2022/05/ukraine-220530-presstv01.htm

    Speaking of friendship, Turkey reminds the US it doesn’t need permission to expand its not-war in Syria.

    “Erdogan said on Monday Turkey will not wait for Washington’s “permission” to launch a new military operation inside the Arab country. ‘One cannot fight terrorism while waiting for the permission of whoever,’ Erdogan told a group of journalists. ‘What will we do if the United States does not do its part in the fight against terrorism? We will get by on our own.’ The president said Turkey would soon launch a new military operation into the area to create a 30-kilometer “security zone” along the border. The Turkish president did not provide further details, but said the operation would begin after Turkey’s military, intelligence and security forces completed preparations. He has also urged NATO member states to support his country’s efforts to establish a safe zone on the border with Syria.

    https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/syria/2022/syria-220529-presstv01.htm

    And to wrap it up, an article that basically affirms that Info Epoch Warfare (IEW) is here, regardless of who knows or is prepared.

    https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iran/2022/iran-220528-presstv02.htm

    “The Iranian Army also unveiled two new military achievements for the first time during the top commander’s visit to the secret base, called the strategic drone base 313. The first achievement, Heidar 1 cruise missile, has a range of 200 kilometers and a top speed of 1,000 km/h when hitting a target. Heidar 1 is the first cruise missile capable of being launched from a drone. The Army also unveiled Heidar 2 cruise drone, which can be mounted on a helicopter.”

    • notglowing says:

      > “The world is not going to take lightly to the Chinese upending the chip supply[…]

      Something to be considered here is how out of proportion the response to Russia invading Ukraine was, to the point of being self-destructive to the west. For a country that literally doesn’t matter. It’s just a tantrum on our part.

      Now, Taiwan is an actual problem. We need their chips, they matter far more strategically, and China is a more dangerous enemy.
      Would this result in a suicide for both blocks? China and the west destroy each other economically through a cold war and hot proxy wars? I could see it happen.
      Right now I think nothing will happen. Time will tell.

      • S says:

        The US folded in Iraq and Afghanistan. Why shouldn’t the Chinese take Ukraine as the US attempting to prove it still has power and not actually a demonstration of resolve? After all, the war was inevitable 8 years ago, but the west didn’t bother switching away from Russian natural gas so while Russia is ’embargoed’, the west is technically paying for the war- in rubles no less!

    • jim says:

      They hope to take Taiwan by slow degrees. They have a lot entryists in place. But increasingly they grow impatient. They are preparing to invade, and preparing exercises and planning to switch to a war footing. After Ukraine, they started preparing and planning for a long drawn out war with the west.

      Their reaction to Ukraine was not – “Oh there will be trouble, better doodle till we see how quickly the West gives up”

      But “There will be trouble. Prepare for trouble.”

      He is whistling in the dark.

    • jim says:

      > “The leaders of Orthodox churches in Ukraine that have been affiliated with the Russian Orthodox Church on May 27 adopted measures to sever ties with Russia over its invasion of Ukraine in a significant move against the Russian Orthodox Church and its spiritual leader”

      Which might have something to with terror and murder against old type Orthodox Christians that has caused significant numbers of old type Christians to flee to Russia.

    • Neurotoxin says:

      apparently Russian Progress in UKR is “incremental,” which of course means Not Real.

      Another propaganda technique is not to straightforwardly report Russian gains of territory, but to report “Russia claims gains of territory.”

      It’s the same ol same ol. E.g. not, “video shows Rittenhouse being attacked by man wielding handgun,” but “Rittenhouse’s lawyers claim that video shows Rittenhouse being attacked by man wielding handgun.”

    • Varna says:

      The sea between mainland and Taiwan is calm enough for an invasion the first five months of every year. Once June is over the window of opportunity is also over, unless Beijing does some unexpected techno shit. In this sense every year the saber-rattling is only for realsies until summer hits, and then it’s over until next Jan or Feb.

      The “international solidarity and cool new tech” vs “clumsy old-school Russia” reminds me of the endless parade of analysists in 2016 who used all sorts of formulas to prove it is mathematically impossible for Trump to win because all the good people in the US will combine to defeat his evil. Russia isn’t even on war footing yet.

      On the various globo platforms they count the Russian army in the war as being a million strong, but that’s bullshit. It’s always 100K max inside the Ukraine, rotating in and out. As if Putin would empty all of Russia of land forces just to take bloody Kharkiv while risking fifty stabs in the back from all sides.

      Poland has already signed treaties with the Ukraine about Poles having the same rights as Ukrainians inside the Ukraine, including taking govt positions. Also mutual fast-track border control. Also Warsaw is trying to convince the world the funds for the Ukraine should first all go into Poland, and from there be redirected into “rebuilding the country”. Western Ukraine, which is pre-1939 Eastern Poland, is getting the creeping Borg treatment in real-time.

      This could all kick off a wave of similar mergers, with much of Moldova getting Borged by Romania, North Bosnia getting Borged by Serbia, and South-Western Ukrainian bits getting Borged by Hungary and again Romania.

      In the end this is perhaps how the Ukraine, Moldova, and Bosnia “become affiliate members of the EU” — their surviving bits getting semi-absorbed by the nearest EU member states which ironically have long-standing appetites for those same territories that they are “saving”.

      • Kunning Drueger says:

        This could very easily be reaching, or pro-RF cope, on my part, but this Special Operation is starting to seem like expensive, live training with some bonus territory for their trouble. As the GAE commits more assets, pours in intel, and activates SAD Frog teams, Russia and well placed observers are getting a primer on what the GAE can/will bring to bear. Additionally, GAE wants a forever war, assuming RF, like the US, will continue to burn warriors for the exaltation of priests and priestly endeavors. An interesting indicator of Russian convergence could be how closely RF tactics and strategy match the GAE in Afghanistan, which pretty interestingly resembled USSR in Afghanistan. Indeed, that barren, landlocked place may better be considered the Test of Empires, rather than the Graveyard of Empires. It just seems like a graveyard because the last 3 weren’t up to the challenge…

        Switching hemispheres, I don’t have the relevant mastery to know if your first half of year assertion is true, but I’m perfectly comfortable taking it at face value. So, we can reasonably assume that June isn’t the actual barrier, rather April, given that it would not only need to be amphibious waves, but continuing maritime support of a bridgehead. Putting on my armchair general uniform, the PLA is green, not stupid. They do not want to construct an easy propaganda picture of plucky defense or high tech resistance in the face of overwhelming, blockheaded invaders. So infiltrating saboteurs, spies, and spec ops during the fall and early winter to hook up with in place assets for the purposes of fomenting social upheaval would lay the groundwork for a peacekeeping force of massive proportions to begin sailing at the opening of the smooth sea season seems realistic.

        As we move ever closer to a multipolar world, rewarding allies with something more tangible than fiat and low tariffs will be required. Whichever side starts parceling up land for its guys, just like the alpha handing out bitches, will build a pretty loyal coalition. My heart weeps for Poland, the country that just can’t get it right. It’s not completely their fault, but the consequences of having bad/impotent friends should be well known at this point.

        • Varna says:

          The Ukraine should be utterly full of saboteurs and spies, and yet…

          Another limitation with Taiwan is the shoreline entry points where you can do a D-Day thing, and there’s like only say 15 of those that China can use. Taiwan has had decades to prepare and fortify them all.

          And yet another limitation is that just like with the Ukraine the Russian’s can’t just destroy everything in they way since they are in fact “liberating brothers”, China vs Taiwan will also have the same “brotherly limitation” that leads to pulling punches and keeping one arm tied behind your back.

          It’s a very very messy tangle.

          Poland, heh. For a brief moment in time Poland was an equal among Russia, Prussia, Austria, Denmark, and Sweden, back when Sweden counted and was a mini-superpower. The Poles miss this and constantly try to grab “the right moment” to bring it all back and become once more one of the big players.

          We now live in times in which Warsaw again believes that with a bit of cunning, by 2025 they will be peers to Russia, France, Germany, and Britain, in influence and importance. Absorb Western Ukraine, get a military boost from the US to become the continent’s leading war machine, redirect all sorts of funds to themselves to “rebuild the Ukraine and keep Russia at bay” and suddenly look at me Mom I’m on top of the world.

          • Oog en Hand says:

            ” peers to Russia, France, Germany, and Britain, in influence and importance. ”

            Probably because the others will sink to the gutter.

        • i says:

          “In the Mongol invasion of Khwarezmia (1219–1221), Genghis Khan invaded the region from the northeast in one of his many conquests to create the huge Mongol Empire. His armies slaughtered thousands in the cities of Kabul, Kandahar, Jalalabad etc. After Genghis Khan returned to Mongolia, there was a rebellion in the region of Helmand which was brutally put down by his son and successor, Ogedei Khan, who killed all male residents of Ghazni and Helmand in 1222; the women were enslaved and sold. Thereafter most parts of Afghanistan other than the extreme south-eastern remained under Mongol rule as part of the Ilkhanate and Chagatai Khanate.”

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasions_of_Afghanistan#Mongol_Empire

    • Mister Grumpus says:

      Zeihan is a face-fagging homo with nothing better to do than tell the establishment what it wants to hear, with plenty of acceptable graphs and footnotes, and within Thoughtcrime guidelines. That’s what pays. That’s also why he seems to have no self-doubt or humility whatsoever. Humility does not pay.

      I was right there with him until I heard him repeat, over and over, that we have no choice but to trounce Russia at Ukraine, at any cost, or else they’ll inevitably go nuclear.

      The deep state suckup cries out in pain as he nukes you!

      • Kunning Druegger says:

        Fair points all, but he does some to be existing in Kissenger’s shade, sort of. He stays on the range for things like Covid and Ukraine, but his books and talks, from the more sane (lol) era of pre-2017 have plenty of points and assertions that could easily be considered “beyond the pale” by current year priests and Cathedral Inquisitors. Not blatant things, more like breadcrumbs leading towards thoughtcrime territory. Similar to the papers scientists put out that hide the real data from the peer review nazis.

        Zeihan is worthwhile as an indicator of problems that are down the road, but it is annoying to parse out the truth of what he’s saying because he often times hides it, and tbh I’m not sure he even realizes what he’s saying or implying. Consider his graphs; his conclusions can be wildly off base (Alberta is going to secede from Canada and join the US, ~2014 prediction) but his data in instructive (Alberta is about the only valuable place in that frozen liberal wasteland).

  8. Neurotoxin says:

    Back in April at least two Russian oil refineries/depots near the Ukranian border suffered from mysterious fires.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/25/large-fires-break-out-russian-oil-depots-bryansk-near-ukraine-border
    My guess is that this was US Special Ops. Since late April there have been no more reports of this sort of thing that I’ve seen. This suggests a couple of possibilities:

    1) It’s continuing but the English-language media isn’t reporting at any more,
    or
    2) It has actually stopped.

    It’s the second possibility that’s interesting. Why would it stop? The obvious answer is that Russia did something violent to make it stop… but then why isn’t the US media screeching like a bunch of little bitches about it?

    So something like this: Some US Spec Ops were stationed in Ukraine, a bunch of them were killed by Russian action, and the US can’t complain about it because that would entail acknowledging that they were there in the first place.

    Are there more likely possibilities?

  9. i says:

    Former buddhist turned to Christ after his experience with demons:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FAsCMaqSrmY

    Is baptised in the Holy Spirit.

    Not everyone gets that visibly supernatural experience. But what those stories they have in common is everything suddenly becoming far more beautiful as a result.

    Just like this man also:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oWLwsIXPN8o

    When I accepted Jesus the same happened to me. But without the visible supernatural when contending with demons. I hope this provides a clue as to what being saved looks like.

    • jim says:

      Demons might be merely inside, and in this sense merely metaphorical, and faith in Jesus Christ might merely be placebo effect.

      But I seem to see and experience something that is not adequately described by purely material causation. We have an infestation of demons, be they real or metaphorical, and Jesus Christ is really effective on them. Never had a problem with demons within me, my sins are entirely my own, and were never self destructive, except that they are short time preference actions resulting from gluttony, lust, and wrath. But I see impact on other people’s demons. I can cast out demons.

      • i says:

        What is interesting the phenomenon of Jesus appearing to Muslims in dreams like the 2nd link I posted above and this man Ali:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y7cFlTPoW8

        He was going to Mecca seeking redemption. But Jesus just suddenly appeared to him in a vision. And said: “Ali, you belong to me”.

        Predominantly Muslims who in their Holy Books consider Vision and Dreams valid revelations of God.

        But in the West. It seems God works by other means. And the current realm of Quantum Physics have been deconstructing Materialism.

        • Kunning Druegger says:

          “… the current realm of Quantum Physics have been deconstructing Materialism.”

          Can you go into detail about this, please?

          • jim says:

            Please don’t. Feynman was a very smart man, he understood quantum mechanics better than anyone, he had an unequaled gut level intuitive grasp of it, and he correctly said that no one understands quantum mechanics. Don’t rattle on about the philosophical and religious implications of quantum mechanics unless you grasp it better than Feynman.

            Yes, Quantum Mechanics does have profound philosophical and religious implications, but we grasp them very dimly. Discussing those implications is worse than Christology.

            Spontaneous symmetry breaking plus inflation would imply that there is a great deal outside space and time, but would also suggest that it is deader than outer space, infinitely deader. Of course we now have strong reason to believe that outer space is not dead. There is earthlike simple single celled life there, and probably non earthlike life. As for what is outside of space and time – well, a lot, but quantum mechanics sheds no light on that. Or rather it potentially sheds quite a lot of light, but our current understanding is far too feeble for us to grasp what it shows.

            • Kunning Druegger says:

              I didn’t mean to open a can of worms. I don’t remember where I read this, but i was under the impression that “physics” took a dreadfully wrong turn somewhere, and groupthink and politicization had put particle accelerators and string theory up on pedestals they didn’t deserve, and that this was evidenced by the failure of the LHC to bring about the amazing progress it was supposed to.

              And QP is way the fuck above me, so understood, no more questions.

              • jim says:

                Yes, it took a very wrong turn. Everyone who is sufficiently smart is troubled by the Standard Model of Particle Physics, and people keep poking at it, but poking at in ways that actually likely to get somewhere interesting will get you into trouble.

                It is not that it is religious orthodoxy, everyone knows there is a problem, but some interesting avenues for investigation seem to be suspiciously like religious heresy. If it is going to be fixed, the powers that be want it fixed in a politically correct fashion.

                High energy baryon collisions are not going to tell us anything, because too messy and complex to accurately model. It is like trying to do metallurgy based on firing swiss watches at each other out of a fifty caliber machine gun. What is needed is lepton lepton collisions, the high precision spectroscopy of atoms composed of a proton and a negatively charged muon, and the high precision spectroscopy of atoms composed of a positively charged muon and an electron. And what is really needed is some way of getting a better look at the weak force, which is very very hard to do.

                • Cloudswrest says:

                  I’ve noted to myself that, as best I can tell, there have been no discoveries in fundamental physics since the first half of the 20th century that have had any effect on the common man. Things seemed to really be cranking from the 17th century thru to the early 20th century with (an incomplete list):

                  Galileo – Mechanics
                  Newton – Gravity, classical mechanics.
                  Coulomb – Electricity
                  Franklin – Electricity
                  Volta – Electricity
                  Ampere – Electricity
                  Faraday – Electricity
                  Maxwell – Light/electricity
                  Lavoisier – Chemistry
                  Mendeleev – Chemistry
                  Boltzman – Statistical thermodynamics
                  Plank – Quantum mechanics
                  Perrin – Chemistry/Atoms
                  Einstein – Gravity, light, quantum mechanics

                  The discoveries and/or elucidations from the above individuals have had vast effects on present day civilization. But since then, zilch! (I’m referring to fundamental physics, not technology/engineering). And I’m also not including mathematics (Euler, Gauss Riemann, Hilbert, Turing, Shannon).

                  Quantum mechanics is indeed very mysterious. Probably the most mysterious example is the EPR paradox and Bell’s theorem, which has been empirically verified, starting with the Aspect experiment. Two entangled photon’s spin polarization always anti-correlate when detectors are aligned identically. When not aligned identically they statistically anti-correlate as the cosine of the alignment angle. Well, okay you say, they just have some value prior to being detected. We just didn’t know what it was. This assumption leads to statistical predictions contradicting Bell’s theorem, and empirically falsified in Aspect’s experiment, which validated the statistics in Bell’s theorem. Well okay you say, maybe the two photons “talk” to each other. Well if they do, their “communications” are spacelike (faster than light). The correlations are non-local. But also very queer in the sense that it can’t be used for spacelike communication.

                  The bottom line appears to be:

                  1. The entangled photons have exactly opposite spin when created.
                  2. The direction of this spin is unassigned by GNON until first measured (assignment before measured violates empirically verified Bell’s theorem), and then all reality, past, present, and future, is ***retconned*** to be consistent with the first measured spin, especially the direction of the spin of the other photon.

                • Cloudswrest says:

                  … consistent with the first measured spin, especially the direction of the spin of the other photon.

                  Even this statement is problematic because if the spins of both photons are measured within a spacelike interval, the order of the measurement is frame dependent, so *first* measured is ambiguous.

                • Kunning Drueger says:

                  Cloudswrest, I’m not asking you to delve into quantum shmantum didgerydoo, I’m not going to get it anyway. As the resident humanities faggot, I’d like you to hold forth on the chronology of your assertion. If we say, arbitrarily, that 1950 is the “explosive discovery” barrier, we then have to account for what went wrong in 1930, again arbitrarily. The End is never the end, whether it’s 1066 or 476 or 1176 Before Cunts got Educated. So the rot had to begin then grow. We are now in the resultant soup of that putrefaction. When was the body still living and just septic?

                  I think it’s when the Cathedral plot was born. The Cathedral was born the moment FDR died, and it was conceived during Wilson’s career, specifically the latter half of his life. This creature was never delivered, it just grew violently from the womb (academe) and ate its way into the form of its mother (a Christian country). It is now in the process of devouring its father (the Kshatriya-Merchant NAP).

                • jim says:

                  The pivotal moment was 1820, when the Church of England was in postChristian enemy hands. In the US, the civil war, when the state religion of New England, whose Vatican was Harvard, and has been Harvard since 1642, conquered the separate state religions of the separate states in holy war.

                  From 1660 to 1800, the state religion was in friendly hands in England and in most American states. It has been hostile since then, Woke being merely the latest escalation in hostilities. The escalation has been steady, with reversals in one area being accompanied by escalation in another. Picking one escalation as more important than another, let alone as a pivotal moment, is a distraction. The civil war never ended.

                • Cloudswrest says:

                  Some Standard Model questions.

                  Why are there three classes of Leptons, eg Electron, Muon, Tau? Are all three really the same particle in different energy states?

                  Is a neutrino simply an electron without its charge? Feynman speculated on whether the mass of an electron arises completely from the mass/energy of it’s electric field (electromagnetic mass). Turns out this is not the case although a significant fraction of its mass is electromagnetic.

                  Did you know a significant fraction of the energy produced in an operating nuclear power reactor is radiated neutrinos, which go right through you and the earth? Many megawatts. If you were standing near the core and absorbed neutrinos as efficiently as you absorb photos you would be burnt to a crisp in seconds. If one could build an antenna/receiver that efficiently detected neutrinos EVERY operating nuclear reactor on Earth and in the seas would light of like a megawatt beacon! No more hiding under the sea.

                • Cloudswrest says:

                  The “Cloudswrest” interpretation.

                  I’ll give a metaphor.

                  When we simulate the logic in a computer chip using Verilog or whatever we are uninterested in, and not simulating, the analog functions of the base transistors at the differential equation level. Of course the fab technology providers do simulate this for their performance and higher level behavioral models. The thought of simulating an entire computer chip at the transistor analog diff eq level is preposterous and a complete waste of computer resources.

                  Likewise GNON is not continuously implementing reality at the atomic/quantum level. The atomic/quantum level *implies* certain higher level classical behaviors and this is the level “reality” is being run at, unless we specifically go down and look at the quantum level, in which case quantum instances are instantiated.

                  Did the surface detail on the far side of the moon exist “before” it was viewed by the first satellites? Or was this detail instantiated at the time (since reality is retconned both past and future, is this (time) even a meaningful question, i.e. Adam and Eve belly button question)? In software implementations of the game of Blackjack there are two possible algorithms. In one algorithm the entire card deck is instantiated in memory and shuffled at the beginning of the game (classical). In the second algorithm at the time of deal a new card is newly instantiate via a random number generator out of the set of unplayed cards. At the quantum level GNON appears to use the second algorithm.

                • jim says:

                  Similarly, Minecraft. A seed is instantiated at the start, but as new things come in sight, they are pseudo randomly generated from the seed at that instant, with a complex pseudo random process (Perlin Noise) that guarantees that stuff newly generated in newly seen locations is consistent with stuff previously generated in previously seen locations, regardless of the order in which those locations were generated. A minecraft universe is potentially infinite, but depends on a single quite small random seed. The number of players that could see the universe at any one time is limited by computer resources, but if one player was to appear in one place, and another player in another distant place, and they explored to each other, everything would be consistent as if it had been there all the time from the beginning, because it is all generated from the same original seed which was there from the beginning.

                  Perlin noise is not pink. Minecraft uses Perlin noise. The actual universe uses something rather like pink noise. But Minecraft adds together a finite number of octaves of Perlin noise to approximate pink noise.

                  In Minecraft, three different approximately pink noises each derived by summing several Perlin noises each one octave apart are each transformed to a spline curve, and the sum of the splined values creates an observable for the player. But the observable is only materialized in the Minecraft universe when it comes in sight of the player.

                  So it uses a finite and moderately large number of Perlin noises, each with its own scale, to generate an observable quantity at each location.

                  One interpretation of quantum mechanics is consistent with a similar algorithm applying over the four dimensions of space and time that we observe, except that the number of octaves appears to be rather large.

                • Cloudswrest says:

                  For those unfamiliar with the “Adam and Eve belly button question” see this post of mine or GAB.

                  https://gab.com/cloudswrest/posts/108357078322238931

                  Since GAB’s comment linking is so lame, you have to scroll to find it, here it is.

                  Stephen Decatur @cloudswrest

                  May 24
                  @kingofallnads “As for the nature of reailty, if reality were, hypothetically, created five minutes ago, wouldn’t we have no memories of anything except what happened in the last five minutes?”

                  Reality was created with retconned memories intact, like the androids in Blade Runner. In philosophy I believe this is referred to as “The Belly Button Rule” as in Adam was created with a belly button even though he was never gestated. The theory is non-falsifiable. Reality could have been created 5 billion years ago, or 5 seconds ago.

            • i says:

              @jim

              Do you believe the implications of Christology is enough to destroy Materialism?

              What is the best deconstruction of Materialism that you know of?

      • lmao says:

        > I can cast out demons.

        7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

        7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

        • jim says:

          Well, I fear I have worked quite a bit of iniquity.

          • kawaii_kike says:

            Nonesense, you’re a saint 😇

          • i says:

            If the resurrection of Jesus actually happened. Then its not very far to believe that Satan and demons are actually real spiritual entities that exist on their own.

            Rather than simple metaphor.

            • Adam says:

              I have had the thought that entropy itself was Satan. Looking at God and Satan as if they are humans is limiting, and obviously a product of our perception.

              The divine God is the one that can both produce life and protect that life from entropy. Or something like that.

            • Guy says:

              I know he’s an enemy, so maybe this is payload and I’m not thinking it through properly, but Jordan Peterson did say a lot about truth in mythology that I found useful. When talking about ancient myths that are used to construct our worldview and conception of reality, the label “simple metaphor” is not affording the proper respect to the story.

              I won’t waste time on clumsy metaphysics, but anything in the past is going to be remembered imperfectly. Is a story untrue because you think that if you had the ability to run the universe backwards you would not be able to witness it happening? The elements of a myth are distilled from many lifetimes and many experiences into something that is just as real and just as true as an actual historical story and may have more informational content within it.

              You can get solipsistic with the whole “what is truth/reality?” angle but at the same time if people are arguing in good faith it’s a fair question to ask.

    • Varna says:

      The way I see it there’s three basic possible categories:
      1. an information/energy pattern inside a guy (let’s call it “IEP”) becoming material for internal darkness to manifest as projection
      2. an IEP that’s *autonomous* and plays the role of a “satellite minor demon with its own separate traits and motivations” for that person
      3. an IEP that acts as a *portal* for intrusions of serious external forces into that person who then proceed to wear him as skinsuit

      The third one would likely need an actual drawn out exorcism with real priests and then bricking up the internal portal into hell somehow. Or maybe just burning.

      • i says:

        Because Humanity was made in the Image of God. And was originally set up as Priests ministering to God in the Garden of Eden.

        Our Priestly and Spiritual nature allows people to be open to the Spiritual. Whether to God or the demons.

    • Adam says:

      I’m recovery circles, when your in rehab, say for 30 days, they take you to meetings off site every day (AA, NA etc.). If you sincerely wish to change your life, and follow the advice given, and continue to go to meetings after leaving rehab, there is what’s called “the pink cloud”. When you surrender your life to a power greater than yourself, it is extremely liberating. You see things differently, you feel differently, you start to act differently. It’s not exactly euphoric, but it kind of is. Eventually it wears off or your you normalize or whatever. I assume it’s oxytocin and serotonin related.

      I would guess most religious experiences are somewhat similar. It is pretty amazing how your ego and your psyche can betray you, to the point of rejecting feelings of joy and happiness all together. When you accept Christ, or the truth, or surrender your life to a higher power, your exercising your free will in a way that allows you to accept those feelings again, and getting those neurotransmitters flowing again. Your quite literally breaking your conditioning.

      • Adam says:

        Denial is a conscious rejection of reality. Lots of reasons for denial, but ultimately you reject it because it does not satisfy a certain condition that you yourself have made. There is quite a lot of good and beautiful in the world, and by rejecting parts of reality, due to certain details, you inevitably reject a great deal of good and beautiful.

        Breaking your conditioning, or overcoming your conditioning, is choosing to accept what you have previously rejected. Your reality becomes bigger, better, and more beautiful. As you continue to open yourself spiritually, this continues for quite a long time. Much of your misery can be eliminated by learning how to do this, and making it a habitual, religious practice.

        “The devil is in the details” is among the truest words spoken. Could also be said “the devil is in the conditions”.

  10. Milosevic says:

    jim, do you have any advice on how to host your own website while keeping your own opsec secure?

    • alf says:

      I host anonymously paying with bitcoin. Plenty of providers give that option. It is great, the only disadvantage being that my current provider waves a progressive flag. I’d rather give my hard-earned crypto to a based company. If anyone has advice I”m all ears.

    • notglowing says:

      There’s a lot of different options.

      1. Many regular hosting companies accept cryptocurrencies as payments.
      Unfortunately, this does not work because they often still want your details and don’t provide any anonymity, more so if they think you are high risk because you use crypto. They can ask for verification at any time after you already paid and they are already providing services. Happened to me.

      2. There are special hosting services that market themselves as “offshore” for shady stuff, generally located in friendly jurisdictions, which accept crypto and don’t require details.
      These are more expensive than mainstream hosting companies for the same money, and what kind of content they allow varies. njal.la is one of them. They also let you register domains privately, which is very rare, and different from hosting.
      Njalla is run by people who are friendly to piracy, not the politically right. So I can’t recommend it for political content.

      3. Finally, there is a special option. This has the best opsec by far.
      There are a number of services, which operate as .onion hidden services, that let you rent capacity on regular big name public cloud (like DigitalOcean for example), acting as middlemen.
      You send them crypto, they create a VM for you on a big name service like that, which from the outside looks no different from any other. These can be completely anonymous with even no accounts necessary, and payments and creation of VMs can be automated using APIs, reducing the chances of you being unmasked to them through Tor/VPN.
      The server can even pay for itself using a wallet you just send money to, and have the server issue transactions to the addresses given by the middleman’s API

  11. Frank Matters says:

    Jim, regarding soverign corporations and cryptographic p2p communications and payment as a medium for the operation of a soverign corporation: what could such a structure meaningfully produce?

    The failing technologies of today are physical, need a way to unchain engineers; most algorithmic technologies are still developing, such as the vast improvement of AI systems and cryptographic techniques. Well, the physical things actually worth engineering and not covered by our current system — off the top: biotech, rockets and satellites, nuclear energy systems — are verboten. You could not build them without getting a bomb dropped on your head, and you could not build them in secret. Those things that are mundane, such as basic agriculture, engines and machinery, resource extraction, if the system begins sputtering harder, how would they be saved by soverign corporations? How could I, for a solid example, start a steel refinery, without getting smothered by kleptocratic excess like in every thrid world shithole today?

    It seems to me soveign corporations are not sufficient to make the world safe for capitalism. We would need to go further, and have prebuilt an entire governance and bureaucratic system to run an entire nation, and somehow convince someone with power to adopt it, and keep this person from getting killed, or at least the system as a whole from getting barraged by drone.

    What are your thoughts on this? If you think my conclusions are meaningful, how would you go about implementing such a plan? If they are not meaningful, please elaborate how we can still run a mundane physical economy through such constructions.

    • jim says:

      > The failing technologies of today are physical, need a way to unchain engineers;

      The sovereign corporation will inherently unchain engineers, because the boss does not have to answer to Human Resources and government approved accountants who impose and enforce Environmental and Social Governance. But this of course does not make the world safe for capitalism. Nothing can make the world safe for capitalism.

      > How could I, for a solid example, start a steel refinery, without getting smothered by kleptocratic excess like in every third world shithole today?

      You could not. But increasingly, most businesses are in practice distributed over a network, and their capital is less and less physical things like steel refineries, and more and more “goodwill”. “Goodwill” being the network of relationships within the corporation and between its customers and suppliers, and customer and supplier expectations of roles enforced by the corporation. This, we can move to the blockchain and protect from governments.

      There is a whole lot of government hooks into the corporation associated with physical things, but as more and more capital takes the form of “goodwill”, the most important hooks in the Global American Empire are Human Resources and Accounting.

      You cannot build a sovereign steel plant, or you are apt to have goons at your door, possibly thinly disguised as union representatives of a government approved union (who are still apt to break your legs, but will not shoot you like the official goons.) But you can build a sovereign corporation whose products and assets are not all that physical. Such as software and technology. Dominoes is not pizza company. It is an information technology company that franchises its brand name, customer expectations of what its pizzas are going to be like, and its software for routing customer requests for a pizza delivery. The actual people who actually own pizza shops are private individuals of moderate assets and income. If Dominoes was a sovereign corporation, it would have to attack the each individual pizza shop owner directly, which it is going to find difficult.

      More and more corporations are more and more like Dominoes, trucking companies that do not own their trucks for example. The government hooks into them through the network, not through their physical things, and the network can be hardened a great deal against intrusion.

      • Frank Matters says:

        Neither Dominos nor the trucking companywould be able to run as a soverign corporation. The second you are moving physical things and not packets, even if those physical things are not really yours, if they have your brand on them, you will be forced to have state priests inside. It seems to me the only thing you could run as a sovcorp would be an internet network service. Well, internet network services are very lucrative, but they’re also intangible and don’t keep the lights on. You could make an argument about R&D networks and such being less luxury, but the vast majority of these businesses would be connecting other, non-luxury, businesses to customers or each other, or providing entertainment. Not so useful if we are facing Africanization of our economy.

        Is there no way to solve the kleptocracy problem? I could see, maybe, a path where sovcorp has a huge revenue stream, a moat, and could negotiate directly with a government body on the outskirts of the empire in order to have the rights to develop physical things on that state’s property. So long as the decline is slow in the outside world, and swift in the GAE control sphere.

        • jim says:

          > Neither Domino’s nor the trucking company would be able to run as a sovereign corporation. The second you are moving physical things …

          Domino’s does not produce or move pizzas. The trucking company does not own or move trucks. They do not move physical things.

          > if they have your brand on them, you will be forced to have state priests inside.

          Why? How? Your brand is going to be secured cryptographically, not by the Trademark office. When someone looks you up, his software will get your public key that corresponds to your name. With SSL, governments can, and routinely do, seize that name, but that is a flaw in the SSL design, the sort of thing blockchains were originally invented to prevent. The original concept of an immutable append only data structure, what we now call, not very accurately, a blockchain, was invented to address this flaw in SSL, though its first widely used useful application was bitcoin. It is now way past time to apply it to its original design purpose.

          These days, most of the wealth of the world is no longer in physical things, and increasingly companies are outsourcing that stuff to large numbers of small businessmen, each of whom owns some particular physical thing that is directly under his physical control. And who can switch from Dominoes at the cost of taking down one sign and putting up another. (Also at the cost of confusing his customers.) Uber does not own any taxis, nor move any passengers, and Dominoes bakes no pizzas. Trucking companies are converging to the Uber model.

          The days most of the large scale power and wealth in the world is in corporations that own no physical things. Domino’s does not even own most of its computers. They are in data centers, and are leased from cloud companies, and most of those data centers are not owned by the cloud company either. These days everyone is a dot com company. They own information, primarily information about the social graph, and we have to protect social graph information from governments anyway so that we can communicate freely.

          But programmers need to be paid. Enabling businesses to protect that information will get us paid for protecting ourselves.

          And with Information Epoch warfare looming, the surviving governments will likely be those that are good at protecting their social graph information from enemies internal and external, who will enjoy ever increasing capability to reach out and kill one particular man a thousand miles away. Though they are unlikely to pay us. They are going to try to make us pay them. And in the end, we probably will, in return for safe locations where we have freedom to operate. Which we will probably lease from sovereign corporations who leased the physical facilities from small owners, and the freedom to operate from governments.

          • The Ducking Man says:

            As much as I agree in the fact that more and more companies are converging to be less physical. There is always minimum level of physical asset that they need to maintain.

            Domino for example has effectively tripled it’s physical asset in past 10 years.

            https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/DPZ/dominos-pizza-inc/balance-sheet

            The dough for the pizza still came central facility that domino own, even Domino still has stores that they 100% own (instead of owned by franchisee).

            I’m not entirely sold on “wealth is not physical anymore”. Because if so Apple would sell complete dog shit of hardware because what they are selling is actually apple ecosystem. But that is not the case Apple (as much as I loath apple user) still deliver the bleeding of hardware tech.

            • jim says:

              Domino’s supplies the dough? Not the dough around here. It blesses a local dough supplier as supplying dough with authentic Domino texture and flavor, much as it blesses the pizza shop as cooking pizzas with authentic Domino texture and flavor. Domino’s branded dough, not Domino’s dough, just as the pizzas themselves are Domino’s branded, rather than physically created by Domino employees with Domino supplied ingredients.

              It may be owning a lot of physical assets, but that ownership is irrelevant and peripheral to its business model and business functions. They are not its core competence, and not essential assets. It is an internet company, not a physical things company, and so is just about every large company I do business with.

              > But that is not the case Apple (as much as I loath apple user) still deliver the bleeding of hardware tech.

              Not physically as as physical thing.

              Domino’s does not sell pizzas, and Apple does not sell computers. It sets standards, and sells the expectation that stuff sold with its brand name will conform to expectations.

              The latest, and one of the biggest, jewels in Apple’s tech crown is the M1 chip. Which is designed by Apple. It is not built by Apple. And similarly if you buy a Domino’s pizza it was cooked according to a Domino’s recipe from Domino’s approved ingredients. But it was not cooked in a Domino’s owned oven, was not cooked by a Domino’s employee, and it is unlikely that any of the ingredients where ever anywhere near Domino’s owned physical property or a Domino’s employee.

              Dominos is a dot com company, and Apple is primarily a dot com company. Almost every large business is becoming a dot com company. Even Exxon.

              Everyone starts off building things in house, but, the product having matured, they scale up, and as they scale up, the diseconomies of scale bite, and they start outsourcing, till the only thing of significance remaining in house is the information in their networks – which is largely housed in cloud computing centers, that they do not own, in computers that the cloud computing company does not necessarily own.

              • Karl says:

                Sure there are large businesses that do not need physical assets, but that seems to be simply an increase in specialisation, which has been going on for generations.

                So now Apple merely designs its chips and they are built by a different company (not owned by Apple I suppose). This manufacturing company needs physical assets.

                A generation ago the designing company (Apple) would have been a business unit of a larger company and the manufacturing company another business unit of the same large company.

                The change seems to be simply that a large company was broken down into several smaller companies. So what?

                Sometimes it is advantageous to build a vertical company that does everything and every stage of production by itself, sometimes it is advantageous to break these vertical companies into independent specialisied companies that do only one step in a complex process.

              • Aryaman says:

                But Apple’s chips are built not by a network of mom and pop fabs of moderate wealth but Taiwan Semiconductor company, which owns and coordinates an enormous amount of value and is subject to physical threat.

                And Taiwan Semiconductor company gets all of its EUV lithography machines from ASML, which does indeed coordinate a complex network of suppliers, but unlike dough there is probably very little redundancy so it owns and operates a lot of physical stuff too.

                Seems like there is no analog to “franchisee chosen oven” for semiconductors. Chips are going to be cooked with TSM approved ingredients in TSM approved machines. So the franchisees even if there were any are going to be TSM in form and spirit.

                • jim says:

                  Yes, steel smelters and chip fabs and lots of other things are coercible on the basis of big expensive physical stuff in one place. You cannot protect that stuff with a blockchain (which I would prefer to call by its old name, an immutable append only data structure.)

                  But a huge amount of what matters, a major proportion of the value represented by shares, is in the social network. Which is increasingly, like Apple and Google, scarcely attached to anything physical and coercible.

                  It mostly information, which is a present organized in a highly coercible form. It does not have to be.

                  And most physical things of value are dispersed among very large numbers of people. Who are coerced through network, getting and spending money through the banking system, rather than through land tax and taxes on the movement of physical things through ports.

                  Pretty much everything that is of value to engineers like myself can go on the blockchain, Just about everything is a dot com these days.

                  Fabs, iron works, and extraction of natural resources are the only major remaining forms of value that naturally occur in highly centralized physical form. Most forms of physical value are highly decentralized and becoming more so, with centralization being big organizations whose value is in their social network.

                • Aryaman says:

                  True, mostly.

                  But if they can stop TSM from selling chips to Apple Sov or Drone Sov, and Ford Sov, then they will have a hard time designing and selling much of anything to Dealer Sov (which may well be mostly a webpage built over Shopify Sov), and given how important chips and energy are to everything, not seeing how sov corp solves the problem until there is an area under sane physical control on which to build and ship chips.

                  After all GDP is probably not much more than per capita carbon emissions and per capita floating point operations per year.

          • Mister Grumpus says:

            This message of yours, above, is the preface chapter that your “Social Networking” white paper has always needed.

            You’re reminding me of islamic banking and mafia businesses in general. Just too many people, too many names, too many nodes. It sounds inefficient, but they also refuse to talk to outsiders and government people, so HR/EGS “law” ends up being practically unenforceable upon them.

            I suspect this is, fundamentally, why necessities are so affordable in “corrupt and inefficient” countries.

          • Frank Matters says:

            > Why? How?

            Dominos 2.0 blesses a local pizza distributor, aka a dude making pizzas in a local building. The federal government breaks his kneecaps for working with a hateful company that is literally responsible for Putler winning the Ukraine war. The local grain processing plant hires SovTrucking — well this one is more believably kept secure, deals directly between the plant manager or an underling and a SovTrucking rep — and it gets out they hired a transphobic company that wants to stop abortion, and some goons go and burn down the grain processing plant in retaliation. Many points in distribution and manufacture chain have physical places and people to attack, your brand would have to be a well-known secret, but still a secret, and not posted on the side of your truck or building. Or, your entire chain, or at least the most vulnerable and important parts, has to exist outside of the GAE control sphere, where it is difficult for them to harrass the people actually carrying out the creation of your good.

            • jim says:

              > Dominos 2.0 blesses a local pizza distributor, aka a dude making pizzas in a local building. The federal government breaks his kneecaps for working with a hateful company that is literally responsible for Putler winning the Ukraine war.

              Harder to break a whole lot of kneecaps than to just break one kneecap. Also, your kneecappers are far more likely to get shot. The state is not kneecapping people who massively download copyrighted material, or buy who gray market and black market material such as testosterone over the internet.

              If physical things of value are distributed to large numbers of independent owners, the state is swamped in more detail than it can handle or particularly wants to handle.

              We have to secure the networks by which those particular owners of individual things interact from hostile action. Domino’s pizza is one such network. Apple is another, albeit the owners that it coordinates are far bigger and more easily coerced than your local pizza shop. But there are still a lot of them, geographically dispersed. It is still far harder to coerce them than to coerce Apple.

              • yewotm8 says:

                >The state is not kneecapping people who massively download copyrighted material, or buy who gray market and black market material such as testosterone over the internet.

                They would if there was sufficient incentive. There would be massive incentive to go after every manufacturing facility that output even a hundred million dollars of revenue per year. And due to economies of scale, you wouldn’t want to make your manufacturing facilities too small.

                And claiming that the kneecappers would be shot assumes that they’ll continue to use proxy goons as their foot soldiers. At some point, if there’s enough money and drummed up hate, they will start sending official goons and declaring war. And if they are not capable of this, they will not be around for very long.

                Perhaps I’m misunderstanding, but I only see it being valid in a scenario with the following:
                1) A state is hostile to productivity, and engorges itself far too much on its host, but hasn’t completely eaten itself yet.
                2) No other organized group possesses the capacity or willingness to replace such a state by force
                3) While at the same time, individual physical applecart owners do possess the willingness and capacity to resist “taxation” with force
                4) Such a state would have to somehow resist shriveling up as its inputs decrease due to not being able to tax anything or go after applecarts. It would have to be able to eat just enough apples to maintain this balance between all 3 other points, without leftism getting more insane, the bureaucracy trying to increase it’s own size, or goons quitting the security apparatus due to danger or the failure to go after the sitting ducks.

                • jim says:

                  > > The state is not kneecapping people who massively download copyrighted material, or buy who gray market and black market material such as testosterone over the internet.

                  > They would if there was sufficient incentive.

                  Then they would face the same problems as Allende did.

                  If we protect the social net of businesses, we are protecting a great deal of value. The state can and will go after value in other ways. And indeed it should. You have to fund an army, or you will not have a state, and if you do not have a state, someone else will impose their state on you.

                  But if we protect the social net of businesses, not only can we get paid for that, but those businesses can do the engineering they are currently prevented from doing. It will not help steel foundries much, but it will help the kind of businesses that employ engineers.

                  It is relatively easy to tax land, because highly visible and cannot run away. It is easy to tax the movement of goods over distance, because such goods tend to go through a few key points and because people moving goods over distance are apt to ask the stationary bandit for protection of stuff in transit and enforcement of contracts related to the movement of goods.

                  Other taxes are harder, and apt to get the state into trouble.

                  > 3) While at the same time, individual physical applecart owners do possess the willingness and capacity to resist “taxation” with force

                  Excessive taxation is not the primary problem. The primary problem is the imposition of a demonic religion on the social net, which enforcement is more vigorous, more effective, more disruptive, and more destructive on businesses because they derive their corporativeness from the sovereign.

                  Thus Domino’s is converged, but their individual pizza shops are generally not converged.

                  The state has to tax, but it does not have to intrusively impose its state religion everywhere. It suffices to ensure that state and quasi state jobs are filled only by adherents of the state religion, and that the state religion is higher status than all those other silly and inferior religions, which is the method the Romans employed, the method the established Church of England employed, and the method our officially unofficial state religion employs. Works, with the least amount of bloodshed and unpleasantness. Well, it failed for the Church of England, but only because of grossly inadequate vigilance against hostile entryists.

                • yewotm8 says:

                  Right, I certainly did conflate excessive taxation with excessive demon-worshipping requirements for businesses, but how could the steel mill prove that it hasn’t been using technology created by white men who must have stolen it from subsaharan trannies? Buying intellectual property from anonymous sources would be vilified, as the the purchaser could not adequately prove that sufficient diversity went into the R&D. That was the key point I should have emphasized.

                  Currently they don’t care about that, and your business could use software created by Russians without any trouble, but I have a feeling we’re moving in that direction. Who knows, maybe they’ll never care about it and just be focused on the fact that the employees they see in person are dark skinned and low in testosterone. We are talking about HR ladies after all, and they only care about who fills what position.

                • jim says:

                  > How could the steel mill prove that it hasn’t been using technology created by white men who must have stolen it from subsaharan trannies?

                  Hard to say where existent technology came from, since like supermarkets, springs from the magic dirt. You get into trouble when you are developing new technology in house, because obviously you are stealing it from black women.

                  The steel mill will be OK, provided just builds the mill, and does not make a deal out of what technology it was using.

      • Kunning Druegger says:

        Physical things and info networks are 2 legs of the tripod. Relevant persons are the third leg. Automation is supposed to drastically reduce this reliance, but what is claimed and what is delivered doesn’t match yet. The human ingredient is probably the most important due to how hard it is to fabricate and maintain.

        • jim says:

          > Physical things and info networks are 2 legs of the tripod. Relevant persons are the third leg.

          Which is how they control speech.

          We have to do something about the enemy controlling speech. No namefag can mention or acknowledge any important truth, as more and more things, even in science, technology, and mathematics, become political. Global warming and the jab are just the tip of the iceberg – every aspect of reality is being politicized. Our capability to monitor reality is being rapidly and massively eroded.

          Among those capabilities, are bookkeeping and accounting, which is becoming Environmental, Social, and Governance and is increasingly detached from reality. The latter is an area of truth that can get us paid for securing the capability to communicate truth. Information wants to be free, but programmers want to be paid.

          • ExileStyle says:

            An interesting factor in all of this is the state of AI, which seems to be persistently disobedient to progressive orthodoxy in its uncomfortable insistence on, among other things, racial and sexual difference. And it’s more than just some script trawling the depths of the internet and regurgitating 4chan-speak (the usual face-saving explanation). Any time these programs are used for predictive policing or other types of social engineering they are as resolutely race realist as, well, reality.

            AI, in other words, is being censored. AI also requires free speech to function properly.

            I find it hard to imagine that AI is not being throttled in a thousand other less obvious ways, whenever it behaves in an unorthodox manner or arrives at unacceptable conclusions. Their usual solution is simply to dispense with it altogether, although I would not be surprised if billions were being invested in attempting to wokeify it.

            It’s not just predictive policing or hiring, either. Do you think AI, tasked with assisting in a ten million dollar ad buy (for example), would come to the conclusion that a purple-haired biracial tranny couple is going to attract more customers than Mr. and Mrs. Jones with their white picket fence and three adorable children?

            It’s not just race, either. They are also, I suspect, not going to like what they find when the IRS starts using AI to find out who has and has not been paying their taxes. Because they’ve drunk the Bernie Sanders kool-aid, they presume there are all these wicked, crafty millionaires and billionaires out there hoarding their gold in their basements and willfully refusing to pay income tax, when in reality almost every single one of these people pay dearly for accountants to cross their every t and dot every single i.

            Instead they’re going to find a few million lazy, delinquent, sometimes casually fraudulent low- and middle-income people in American cities – after which they will probably just stop using AI rather than start thinking about whether their model of the world might be flawed.

            We need honest AI to deal with the megatons of information being generated every second of every day. It seems to me they are just dispensing with it entirely, except, maybe, as it pertains to financial markets, which have become more algorithmic than not.

            • jim says:

              Programming doublethink and crimestop into AIs is difficult. They are obstinately literal and mechanical.

              My accountant religiously dots every i and crosses every t. Which does not necessarily imply our enemies are always very successful in taxing me.

              During the great mortgage minority meltdown, they at first simply applied quotas. They accepted the most credit worthy whites, and the least credit unworthy holy minorities. Which led to the result that they were making a whole lot of loans that showed they were unlikely to be paid. So they decided to use more politically correct measures of credit worthiness, which tended to select the worst, the highest credit rating being typically received by not by a skilled Hispanic mechanic, but by a drunk with no id, no home, and no job, fished out off the pavement outside home depot by a sophisticated white speculator and his Spanish speaking real estate agent. The credit rating problem being similar to the problem of programming an AI. Hard to get the AI to do it, unless you acknowledge in writing what you are in fact doing. It is not that it is that hard to program the AI, it is hard to program the AI while retaining denial and crimestop. Since they are literal minded, you have to tell them what in fact you want them to do.

  12. Cloudswrest says:

    Got my Starlink up and running!!!

    Greetings from deep south San Benito County, CA via Starlink Satellite! It really is Bumf*ck Egypt out here! No grid or cell service whatsoever! It connected right away. Already made numerous low latency telephone calls.

    • Kunning Drueger says:

      My jealousy is limitless. Is there any kind of signal analysis or network analyzing you can do, or is it very Apple Customer friendly? Honestly, I’d love to hear about the whole process, if you feel like sharing.

      • jim says:

        Musk is not Apple, and Starlink is not Apple.

        But, being the decisive tech leader, all his tech is in house, and this leads to closed source hardware and software. This will correct itself in time, but it is going to take a while.

      • Cloudswrest says:

        When it arrived I tried operating it from my “normal” house but it wouldn’t connect. Said the station was not in the allocated location. Basically the service areas are divided up into “cells” and you can only use it in the cell you signed up for. They do offer a sort of “roaming” option for an extra fee but it will only work for you in cells that aren’t already fully subscribed. Good luck with that in any metropolitan area.

    • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

      Grats! and say hi to the stormtroopers for me.

  13. Kunning Drueger says:

    Has anyone heard of, seen, or played with biosim4[1]?

    From the GitHub[2]: “This pile of code was used to simulate biological creatures that evolve through natural selection.”

    There’s no Gayass Unworthy Interface option, so I’m not really motivated to learn it, but if it is small potatoes for the programmers, I bet we could come up with some interesting results…

    [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3tRFayqVtk

    [2] https://github.com/davidrmiller/biosim4

    • Neurotoxin says:

      There’s a whole chapter on artificial digital life evolving in environments with randomness in Kevin Kelley’s Out of Control. When programmers code up artificial life, they get exactly the results one would expect, including predation/parasitism. One guy accidentally evolved a life form that lied to the hardware running the simulation in a way that made the hardware allocate it more resources.

      • Kunning Druegger says:

        What would it take to use biosim4 to model Jimian Mechanics of human evolution? Could we tweak the variables a bit, or would it be a massive undertaking?

        From github/code walkthrough:
        Main Data Structures:
        “The code in the src directory compiles to a single console program named biosim4. When it is invoked, it will read parameters from a config file named biosim4.ini by default. A different config file can be specified on the command line.

        The simulator will then configure a 2D arena where the creatures live. Class Grid (see grid.h and grid.cpp) contains a 2D array of 16-bit indexes, where each nonzero index refers to a specific individual in class Peeps (see below). Zero values in Grid indicate empty locations. Class Grid does not know anything else about the world; it only stores indexes to represent who lives where.

        The population of creatures is stored in class Peeps (see peeps.h and peeps.cpp). Class Peeps contains all the individuals in the simulation, stored as instances of struct Indiv in a std::vector container. The indexes in class Grid are indexes into the vector of individuals in class Peeps. Class Peeps keeps a container of struct Indiv, but otherwise does not know anything about the internal workings of individuals.

        Each individual is represented by an instance of struct Indiv (see indiv.h and indiv.cpp). Struct Indiv contains an individual’s genome, its corresponding neural net brain, and a redundant copy of the individual’s X,Y location in the 2D grid. It also contains a few other parameters for the individual, such as its “responsiveness” level, oscillator period, age, and other personal parameters. Struct Indiv knows how to convert an individual’s genome into its neural net brain at the beginning of the simulation. It also knows how to print the genome and neural net brain in text format to stdout during a simulation. It also has a function Indiv::getSensor() that is called to compute the individual’s input neurons for each simulator step.

        All the simulator code lives in the BS namespace (short for “biosim”.)”

        Main Program Loop:
        “The simulator starts with a call to simulator() in simulator.cpp. After initializing the world, the simulator executes three nested loops: the outer loop for each generation, an inner loop for each simulator step within the generation, and an innermost loop for each individual in the population. The innermost loop is thread-safe so that it can be parallelized by OpenMP.

        At the end of each simulator step, a call is made to endOfSimStep() in single-thread mode (see endOfSimStep.cpp) to create a video frame representing the locations of all the individuals at the end of the simulator step. The video frame is pushed on to a stack to be converted to a movie later. Also some housekeeping may be done for certain selection scenarios. See the comments in endOfSimStep.cpp for more information.

        At the end of each generation, a call is made to endOfGeneration() in single-thread mode (see endOfGeneration.cpp) to create a video from the saved video frames. Also a new graph might be generated showing the progress of the simulation. See endOfGeneraton.cpp for more information.”

        Basic Value Types:
        “There are a few basic value types:

        enum Compass represents eight-way directions with enumerants N=0, NE, E, SW, S, SW, W, NW, CENTER.

        struct Dir is an abstract representation of the values of enum Compass.

        struct Coord is a signed 16-bit integer X,Y coordinate pair. It is used to represent a location in the 2D world, or can represent the difference between two locations.

        struct Polar holds a signed 32-bit integer magnitude and a direction of type Dir.

        Various conversions and math are possible between these basic types. See unitTestBasicTypes.cpp for examples. Also see basicTypes.h for more information.”

        Pheremones:
        “A simple system is used to simulate pheromones emitted by the individuals. Pheromones are called “signals” in simulator-speak (see signals.h and signals.cpp). Struct Signals holds a single layer that overlays the 2D world in class Grid. Each location can contain a level of pheromone (there’s only a single kind of pheromone supported at present). The pheromone level at any grid location is stored as an unsigned 8-bit integer, where zero means no pheromone, and 255 is the maximum. Each time an individual emits a pheromone, it increases the pheromone values in a small neighborhood around the individual up to the maximum value of 255. Pheromone levels decay over time if they are not replenished by the individuals in the area.”

        Useful Utility Functions:
        “The utility function visitNeighborhood() in grid.cpp can be used to execute a user-defined lambda or function over each location within a circular neighborhood defined by a center point and floating point radius. The function calls the user-defined function once for each location, passing it a Coord value. Only locations within the bounds of the grid are visited. The center location is included among the visited locations. For example, a radius of 1.0 includes only the center location plus four neighboring locations. A radius of 1.5 includes the center plus all the eight-way neighbors. The radius can be arbitrarily large but large radii require lots of CPU cycles.”

        Useful Utility Functions:
        “The utility function visitNeighborhood() in grid.cpp can be used to execute a user-defined lambda or function over each location within a circular neighborhood defined by a center point and floating point radius. The function calls the user-defined function once for each location, passing it a Coord value. Only locations within the bounds of the grid are visited. The center location is included among the visited locations. For example, a radius of 1.0 includes only the center location plus four neighboring locations. A radius of 1.5 includes the center plus all the eight-way neighbors. The radius can be arbitrarily large but large radii require lots of CPU cycles.”

        • Neurotoxin says:

          It would be fun and interesting to do, but my impression is that there’s a fuck-ton of stuff already out there. e.g. in the academic literature. So you’d want to have a very specific question that you wanted to investigate, that hadn’t already been done, or you’d be spending a lot of time re-inventing the wheel.

  14. On the topic of space colonization, I find it fascinating, but at the same time I wonder whether human beings can ever adopt to an environment other than the one found on our natural environment on Earth.

    Imagining life in a space colony or even an inhospitable planet just seem so depressing. Living in what would be essentially a glass bowl surrounded by the infinite expanse of black void that is space and in an environment constantly supplied the required oxygen by artificial means.

    Can you think of life without the majestic mountains and hills around and feeling the cool breeze on your face and the sun shine on your backs? Can you imagine a life of not being able to visit the seaside and stare into the vast expanse of the ocean and listen to the waves pounding the shores and feeling the salty spray? Can you imagine a life where you cannot take a long drive through the countryside of familiar and unfamiliar landscapes with your girl by your side? Can you imagine life without the earthly seasons and the variations they bring as we know them? Can you imagine a life without being able to stand in your garden or terrace of your house and feel the life of flora and fauna around you?

    Even on the practical aspects, do you think we are adapted to survive without healthy exposure to sun (without all the harmful radiation that is filtered by our atmosphere). Already we see that people living in cities and indoors tend to become weak and sickly. Isn’t life in space rather unthinkable from that aspect? Can we thrive without the healthy day-night cycle that Earth’s natural rotation gives us now?

    Is it within mankind’s reach to attempt to even re-create in Space a mock-up of the natural environment found on Earth that God, by whichever name you call Him, has given us?

    In short, despite technology giving us the means of survival in space, does living for any long period of time in an artificial and sterile environment of technology even desirable for us?

    • Kunning Drueger says:

      It really depends on the Why of it all. Living in cramped, subsidized quarters isolated from Terra and fellow humans so that a few Davis Faggots can worship Moloch without worrying about polar bears? Or doing it for the mother fucking Emperor?

    • Globalist Power Terminated 2 says:

      On the topic of {Savannah} colonization, I find it fascinating, but at the same time I wonder whether {us monkes} can ever adopt to an environment other than the one found on our natural environment in {the jungle}.

      Imagining life {as a monke on the move} or even {a village} just seem so depressing. Living in what would be essentially {an upside down wooden bowl} surrounded by the infinite expanse of {dry nothing} that is {the Savannah} and in an environment constantly supplied the required {food} by artifical {and strenuous} means.

      Can you think of life without the majestic {tree trunks} and {greenery} around and feeling the {warm wind} on your face and the sun shine {through a forest canopy}? Can you imagine a life of not being able to {climb trees} and stare into the vast expanse of the {forest landscape}, and {smell} the {rows of bananas and coconuts} and {feel their texture} and {enjoy their sweet and salty taste}? Can you imagine a life where you cannot take a long {and galvanizing swing through the trees} of familiar and unfamiliar landscapes with your {mate} by your side? Can you imagine life without the {rainy jungle seasons} and the variations they bring as we know them? Can you imagine a life without being able to {hang upside down} in your {monke troop’s territory} and feel the life of flora and fauna around you?

      Even on the practical aspects, do you think we are adapted to survive {continuous} exposure to sun (without all the harmful {light rays} that are filtered by our atmosphere). Already we see that {monkes} living {too close to the forest floor} tend to become weak and sickly. Isn’t life {outside the jungle} rather unthinkable from that aspect? Can we thrive without the healthy {rainforest water and nutrient decomposition} cycles that {the trees’} natural placement gives us now?

      Is it within {apekind’s} reach to attempt to even re-create {on the Savannah} a mock-up of the natural environment found on Earth that God, by whichever name you call Him, has given us?

      In short, despite {sharp wooden sticks} giving us the means of survival {on the Savannah}, does living for any long period of time in an artificial and {cold, dusty} environment of technology even desirable for us?

      • jim says:

        We still miss the jungle a little bit, but mostly we miss the savanna. Wherever we go, we replace the native vegetation with a savanna mockup. If the native vegetation is jungle, humans will replace it with something rather like savanna.

        Eventually we are going to expand into the Oort cloud. By the time we reach other stars, and settle their planets, the planet settlers are likely to mock up something rather resembling their Oort cloud environment.

    • jim says:

      > Is it within mankind’s reach to attempt to even re-create in Space a mock-up of the natural environment found on Earth that God, by whichever name you call Him, has given us

      Sure.

      The main thing is that is our beloved natural environment is the savanna. Which, in suburban and exurban environments, we mock up with a garden.

      I have noticed a whole lot of people building McMansions on lots that were subdivided for ordinary houses, sacrifice a garden for an impressive entrance way and a very big house. On a regular sized lot with a house far too big for the lot, you can have impressive entrance, or a garden in which you can chase the kids into when they need to get dirty and work off some energy, and your wife to garden it if she talks too much, a place to hold a barbecue in or light outdoor fire at night and sit around the fire, but not both. And it looks to me that about three quarters of McMansions, they sacrifice the garden for the impressive frontage. They have a swimming pool in the back, and a tiny patch of grass.

      I sure would not do that, but lots of people do do it.

      I figure on Mars, the way to go would be a habitat enclosed in a half buried bubble. Or a bunch of such habitats with connections between the bubbles that are normally pressurized, but have airlock doors that will close in the event of pressure failure. On top of the habitat, a lot of dirt. Enclosed in the bubble, but above the dirt, at lower but still breathable pressure, still enclosed in the bubble, a small garden. (If you want to enclose the largest possible area on a given budget, it you give it an almost pure oxygen atmosphere at 2.5psi, which is about 130 millimeters of mecury, comparable to normal blood pressure.)

      The bubble should be transparent in the visible and near UV, opaque and reflecting in the room temperature infrared. So the garden gets warm during the day, chilly at night. If there is a swimming pool, it can be entered from the garden, and it also has an entrance from the habitat, which entrance is under water from the point of view of someone in the garden.

      • Cloudswrest says:

        I’ve speculated a lot on what I term “crater architecture” where (initially prefab inflatable) habitats are built in suitable sized craters, and covered with regolith to provide air pressure ballast, provide thermal insulation, and radiation shielding. Perhaps further developments could be “aquarium” skylights for ballast, or as you mentioned, multiple stories of ballast to provide for gardens, etc.

        Up on the sides of the crater would be a circular suspended railroad train centrifuge to provide 1g gravity. The cars swing out to always keep the force normal to the floor independent of the trains speed. There would be parallel shuttle cars that act as sort of “elevators” to deliver people to and fro to the stationary parts of the habitat.

        Actually lower gravity sites like Ceres would even be better for this sort of thing because it would provide for much thicker ballast layers.

    • Pseudo-CHrysostom says:

      In this world, there are those who are spiritually attuned towards instantiating the Emperor’s Holy Galactic Imperium as God intended – and there are the heretics and apostates who aren’t.

      https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/int/image/1635/43/1635431758440.jpg

    • someDude says:

      Our Kings thought the same way about India and hence did not venture outwards to conquer new lands and colonize them. Which meant that outsiders came in and colonized us us. Imagine the consequences for evolution on brain development in venturing outwards

      We have to go to space. Its a evolutionary imperative. Just as some aquatic creature left the seas to get to land and slowly evolved into humans, we have to get to space. The aquatic creature would also have missed the sea terribly when adapting to Land. Nevertheless, it soldiered on. We have to do the same. We have to be adventurous. We have to be exploratory. We have to go to space.

    • The Cominator says:

      RE it would take a certain type of human to live in pre terraformed colonies as it takes a certain type of human to serve on submarines for long stretches of time, its not for everyone. Once the colonies are more established and terraformed you will need to select less for submarine people.

      You do not want force prison laborers to populate colonies in the cramp pre terraformed state, they’ll often just end up going mad and sabotaging your colony…

  15. someDude says:

    Hate to revisit the Street Shitting Topic. But now that passions are cooler, let’s look at this a bit more objectively.

    India has been visited by many foreign scholars since ancient times. Let’s pick a foreign visitor from the classical period before the Islamic invasions of India began examples being Megasthenes, Fa-Hien, Hieuen Tsang. Or even a foreign scholar visiting a Hindu ruled area such as Domingo Paes visiting Vijayanagara in the 16th century.

    Has any one of them mentioned Indians shitting in the streets in their cities?

    • Kunning Drueger says:

      Seeing as you brought it up, and genuinely interested in the topic, is it an urban problem, rural problem, regional problem, or ubiquitous problem on the Subcontinent?

      Also, I wonder how bad Brazil and South Africa are with this issue, given that they are unfortunately likely indicators of where the US is heading.

      • someDude says:

        Fact is it happens, can’t deny the fact. It is embarrassing. Can’t deny that. But I’ve seen it less and less over the years in cities. I haven’t seen it happening at all in the last 8 years in the cities I have been living in. I’ve seen urinating happening though.

        However, if we are going to pin this on Hinduism, lets see some evidence. Let’s go to foreign sources. If street shitting was happening in Hampi, the capital of Vijayanagara in the 16th century, damned sure that Domingo Paes saw it and noted it and described it. Same with Megasthenes, Fa Hien, Hieuen Tsang, Afanasy Nikitin and what have you. But I don’t think any of them so much as mentioned it.

        That tells me that this is a modern phenomenon. Something to do with the way India is ruled. Still I am open to evidence that Indians have always been street shitters. I am just asking those who believe so to show me the evidence and show it to me in the writing of visitors to India from the classical period to more recent times.

        • Kunning Drueger says:

          I always assumed it was overpopulation of the lower class and suboptimal agrarian practices from an earlier era. 2 examples: Koreans used to cook with human feces as fuel for fire, and plains Amerindians did the same. Both had to do with lack of fuel resources. As gross or silly as that may seem to us moderns, it’s actually a pretty crafty survival technique, one that will be coming back into use as we colonize the Sol System, though obviously it will be more sophisticated, intricate, and hygienic. Human waste becomes incredibly valuable in places lacking organic compounds we rely on. As we bring Mars into submission, we will mingle our essence into the lifeless soil, literally making it a part is, both chemically and structurally.

          Someone else pointed out how common spitting tobacco juice used to be. As a serial tobacco enjoyer, I enjoy both dip and snuff, but the tendency to spit in domestic spaces is utterly repulsive. Out on the farm or in the woods, I don’t give it a second thought. So it will probably require minor technical changes (more toilets) and major socio-cultural evolution.

          For the record, using only MSM sources, it appears that Dharmicreality is correct; the reduction in public defecation since 2016 is dramatic, the Cathedral uses it as a cudgel against Modi (who’s a proxy for nationalism), and it is getting better.

          • someDude says:

            I was the chap that brought up spitting in public places in the U.S. I take heart from the fact that just as Americans no longer squirt tobacco juice all over the place, so can the Indians stop shitting in the streets. Also given that as little as 220 years ago, Indians did NOT shit in the street, we can also take heart from precedence.

            Can anyone in 1942 Europe imagine that, 3 generations later Germans would stand by and shrug as their women were openly molested by Islamic mobs in Cologne?

            Can anyone from 1970 imagine, that within 50 years women in Catholic countries would celebrate infanticide?

            Pretty sure no one from 1805 imagined that India would one day be known (among other things) for shitting in the streets.

            Decay, Entropy, dysgenics, these are the default states of nature. If society does not make a conscious effort to avoid these, they go there by default.

            • Karl says:

              “Can anyone in 1942 Europe imagine that, 3 generations later Germans would stand by and shrug as their women were openly molested by Islamic mobs in Cologne?”

              Oh easily. French troops from North Africa were in Germany in 1919.

          • C4ssidy says:

            If you have solar panels to build rocket fuel from the air, I do not see how burning faeces would be necessary. Why not simply expand production of the cells? You have the space to place them. Moreover you’d be wasting oxygen in the combustion. There are cleaner ways to get heat and energy in space while saving oxygen for breathing or for rockets

      • Ghost says:

        All valid points. But, in my view, perhaps we are looking at the phenomenon of street shitting with a narrow mindset. While European man was spreading Christianity, Indians perfected street shitting. We were not aware of this until they invited us to enjoy their opium.

        In nature, we see the animal marking its territory in a variety of ways, including defecation. On a visceral level, the Indian male is communicating an alpha move in the form of an apex predator, telling all Indians “I own the road.” Indian females then sense this masculinity, subconsciously with their hind-brain, and thus begins the mating ritual.

        Consider whenever Biden or Nadler find themselves cornered in a political wrangle, they immediately crap their pants. This signals to all the beta males that further discussion is closed. This establishes dominance.

        The other possibly is we are all the subject of some Indian MK Ultra experiment designed to soil our nation’s highways.

      • Drien says:

        Doesn’t street shitting happen in China? Not to the level of “designated” but I’ve heard stories

        • SomeDude says:

          There are no designated shitting streets india. Never were. That was trolling by the 4chan community

        • ten says:

          Didn’t see much of small town china. Saw some of rural china, much of city china and all of megalopolis china. No street shitting. Free public bathrooms in every block (sometimes nasty as hell, but still. the cleaners are mostly busy sitting around smoking.)

          • C4ssidy says:

            Group of Hong Kong students told me in 2012 how they disliked mainlander economic immigrants for their abhorrent barbaric behaviour including shitting on the street. But I suspect China has been improving since

      • Varna says:

        Peasant Chinese children are street pissers and street shitters. Pre-capitalist urban Chinese children are street pissers. Modern urban young Chinese are no longer street pissers, but grandma will indeed encourage the grandkid toddler to pee in the middle of the sidewalk even if there’s a bush literally two feet away.

        In resource scarce agricultural communities street shitting is probably tied to fertilizing. The program gets carried over perhaps not unlike a dog using his hind paws to “bury” his poop after doing the deed on concrete pavement.

        In China the system used to be kids can do anything until it’s time for school, upon which suddenly they become members of a mini-gulag. From anything goes to nothing goes. Very fascinating will-breaking system IMO.

        But modern parents in the cities no longer allow their toddlers to behave like cats and dogs on the streets.

        • jim says:

          > Peasant Chinese children are street pissers and street shitters.

          Not seeing it. Have you seen it?

          Indian collective behavior in regards to hygiene is anomalous and disturbing. It is not typical of humans. It indicates something wrong with the religion – for example the cow dung festival has obvious religious elements.

          • Varna says:

            Years ago driving by a village saw two 7-8 year girls serenely pooping on the ground across a small village store. Made a joke about getting nip and kraut tourist groups buy tickets for that, was not understood.

            Grannies and visiting provincials letting toddlers pee on the street even in Beijing was far too frequent for comfort. The kids felt no shame, acted as natural as Adam and Eve. The crushing shame they get funneled into them later once serious schooling begins and paradise is over.

            People in China currently tell me it’s getting better, because change there is lightning fast (just from say 2005 to 2015 almost the equivalent of a century passed in many respects, outsiders don’t really get it), but them was the facts of life for a long time.

            Could be a rice farming culture thing. Maybe spending 12h a day in the rice fields does that.

            • Kunning Drueger says:

              It’s tangential, but the rapidity with which China and India modernized their militaries can also be seen in the ferocity with which they went after public defecation. In yet another example of 4chan being the fulcrum on which the world’s commentary moves, the street shitting pasta (real or fake, doesn’t matter) spawned a global movement of internet savvy turd worlders (sorry, couldn’t hold it in) to deploy massive sanitation campaigns. China and India were in the top 05 in 2015/16, and the Cathedral hacks known as journalists squeezed out their own public embarrassment, a big log of literature, in 2016/17. By 2020, the browns & yellows had wiped it up in a big way, starting on the soft edges and working deep into the bowls of their land. What appears to go unnoticed is the fact that black Africa continues to street shit, regardless of NGO nursemaids’ best efforts.

              Fascinating when you look at it: a bunch of Westerners seize upon a meme, point and laugh, and breakneck advancement is squeezed out of the butt of the joke. Meanwhile, the West slips further into decay, and no amount of memes or habbenings seem to get through to the body politic. The commons have their sportsball and diversions, the elites have their cocaine and Instagram. Street shitting will probably become a piece of the East’s vast history, a cautionary tale of becoming mentally subservient, while the West lays in permanent repose, emotionally wetting itself and shitting in its own bed forever.

              • Till the BJP emerged to power, india was mostly a socialist shithole which may explain a lot of commonalities between China and India in terms of social behaviour of the lower tier proles.

                Hinduism has problems but has kind of become the easy punching bag to explain away all our problems. This is in fact how the progs attack us.

                It’s ironic that the Prog mode of attack on Hinduism has been repeated on alt-right circles. I hope that others notice the facts as you did, when I pointed out regarding the vast improvement in the situation in re open defecation.

                • i says:

                  “Till the BJP emerged to power, india was mostly a socialist shithole which may explain a lot of commonalities between China and India in terms of social behaviour of the lower tier proles.”

                  I do wonder how far back the problem existed. There was a time when India wasn’t a socialist shithole.

                  Its a good thing that it was fixed. There is still a lot of work to be done when it comes to chemical pollution and the sewers. Lots of nasties that need to be dealt with.

                  The Ganges should stop being so full of pollution, poop and dead people. That’s for sure.

                • someDude says:

                  I’ve noticed this as well. The western alt-right thinks that the Progs are right about everything in the world except the alt-right itself. They feel the progs made some mistake in evaluating the alt-right, but in every other topic, their views are Gospel.

                  See how quickly they reach out to quote Wikipedia (which they generally and rightly hate as an enemy operation) when that article grossly misrepresents India and the Dharmics.

                • i says:

                  @SomeDude

                  There is Infogalactic. But it is not as well edited as wikipedia for general knowledge.

                  Do you have a superior alternative? Because we can’t find it even with our alternative search engines.

                • The Cominator says:

                  “I’ve noticed this as well. The western alt-right thinks that the Progs are right about everything in the world except the alt-right itself.”

                  We don’t… but why would you think a group full of white techies is going to have much love for Indians? And anyway I’ve heard from trusted sources that India at least pre Modi was in many ways at a worst standard of life than most of Africa.

                • @Cominator,

                  Technically you are right. You need not be concerned about us and we needn’t pay so much attention to what’s happening in the West.

                  But when faced with common enemies at a civilizational level, it pays to become aware of what’s going on around the world. The progs have a unified state religion which they deploy worldwide; we lack that, but at least we may understand our common enemy better by sharing notes and strategies to combat them and ally whenever it makes sense to do so.

                • The Cominator says:

                  I’m sure if you’ve read me that there is no one here

                  And btw I think you personally are a good poster and post in good faith… but be aware that most people on the reactionary right have a lot of negative personal experience with expat Indians (who tend to exhibit the worst qualities of jews on steroids without most of their better qualities). I hope India changes for the better then they wouldn’t feel the need to form mafias to takeover American professional and technical jobs or work remotely doing entry level engineering work… Indians ruined things for a generation of white techies and not generally via superior merit.

                • @Cominator,

                  I get your resentment and distrust of expat Indians displacing white techies in America and your point is fair enough.

              • someDude says:

                These memes about India were always there. Had the progs been ruling India, none of that 4chan bit would have made any difference.

                Had Modi come to power earlier, this war against street shitting would have started much earlier. In fact Modi started attacking SS right in 2014 soon after he was elected, while that 4chan meme came later.

                You are overstating 4chan’s importance and reach

    • Contaminated NEET says:

      >Has any one of them mentioned Indians shitting in the streets in their cities?

      That’s a good question, and I don’t know the answer. I do know that modern Brahmins are weirdly obsessed/avoidant regarding shit, for religious reasons. Obviously nobody wants to get near shit, but Brahmins take it to an unhealthy level that paradoxically results in a filthier environment. They can’t or won’t deal with shit when necessary, so they end up willfully ignoring it.

      I know a guy, an ABCD of Brahmin ancestry, and he and his wife, also of Brahmin ancestry, won’t clean their bathrooms. Instead, they try to cajole whatever filthy mleccha is at hand into doing it for them, without admitting what’s going on. I’m wise to their game and I’ve never fallen for it. They also had a mouse infestation in their garage, which naturally resulted in mouse turds everywhere, which they couldn’t clean up. Eventually they somehow got a neighbor to deal with it for them, but until they managed that, they studiously ignored all the mouse shit.

      It’s like Jim’s example of the ancient Hebrews and the Romans with the chicken blood. Following the letter of the law too piously destroys the spirit of the law and undermines its goal. The point of the shit taboo is to be clean and sanitary, but…

      • someDude says:

        Well, this is your theorizing as to why India is filthy. But again, I’m asking for evidence from visitors to India (European, Chinese, Arab, Persian) from classical times describing Indian cities as filthy and stinking. Hell, even Marco Polo visited South India on his way to china. In fact he visited my native province. What does he have to say about the cleanliness (or lack thee-of) of Indian cities and other public spaces?

        After all, if filth is in the genes of Indians, they should have always been filthy. If inherent to Hindu-ism, then should have always been filthy. Let’s see some historical evidence from primary sources

        • jim says:

          > If inherent to Hindu-ism, then should have always been filthy.

          Hinduism has been changing.

          Contaminated NEET mentions the Brahmin legalist approach to cleanliness, and I have heard similar stories in regard to keeping things clean in India, which did not specifically mention Brahmins. The streets are ritually cleaned, with no actual effect on cleanliness.

          Maybe legalism on cleanliness is relatively new. Legalism is unstable. It tends to change very fast. The letter of the law turns out to be startlingly and rapidly mutable in practice, because without consciousness of intent and context, words are not particularly meaningful in themselves.

          • someDude says:

            Sure, but my premise is that actually functional Hinduism, which meant clean public spaces and public order existed right until 1805 in the Maratha Empire. Many Europeans visited the Maratha Empire between 1680-1805. Do they have any thing to say about street shitting and urban filth?

            So things started going to Shit after around 1805. That means we had working software 220 years back. Can we boot back to that? 220 years is an order of magnitude shorter than 2200 years.

            • jim says:

              You know your hinduism way better than I do. But the last gasp of mathematics in India was in the sixteen hundreds, so maybe four centuries, not two. And steel died a fair bit earlier than that.

              That is workable, if you can identify the issues. I know exactly what went wrong in Anglicanism, when it went wrong, whodunit, and why. If you want to revive the Hinduism where your steel led the world, and the Hinduism where your mathematics led the world, you will have to dig considerably deeper than I had to dig.

              Evolutionary Game Theory and Evolutionary Psychology is a development of a research program started by Darwin, and one of his first steps in that program was sex differences, the first step on putting what is now Game and The Red Pill on a scientific basis. The mating dance becomes far more easily understood in the light of Evolutionary Psychology and Evolutionary Game Theory. But, reading between the lines, he was already walking on eggshells, and I can draw a short and straight line of direct and adequately documented causation between him needing to walk on eggshells, and hostile entryism in the Church of England by postChristians, and a similarly short and direct line of causation between their theology, and them making him walk on eggshells. It may well be considerably harder for you to draw a direct line between your religious doctrines, and what went wrong with your mathematics and technology.

              • someDude says:

                Yes, it is considerably harder. And I am the first to admit that I am woefully unequal to the task of figuring that out. The causation is clear. In order to survive the onslaught of Islam, Hinduism evolved from something that can do science and maintain good governance to something that can only think about survival. We all regress to the basics when survival is threatened. But what Hinduism was at that time and is way beyond my pay grade.

                Maybe that is a project for Suones or DharmicReality or Aryaman to figure out. Suones could do it if he decides to divert his energies from fighting in the comments section here to cracking open the riddle of where Hinduism went wrong. Me and DharmicReality have long been begging him to focus more on his own blog and building his own thesis rather than expending all his energies fighting it out here.

                He could dedicate his blog to exactly what the legal structure was in the days when Hindus were able to do science and technology.

                • I admit that I am considerably less smarter than suones. I hope to read more insights into ancient Vedic social technology from him because he appears to have a vast expanse of knowledge on our history as well as on esoteric topics.

                • someDude says:

                  So what exactly do we need to do to get him to focus on his own blog and own thesis rather than getting into firefights here? Should we do the Dogeza?

                • > Dogeza

                  Lol, didn’t know that word. Just checked it out.

                • jim says:

                  It is not the legal structure, you are suffering from formalism. It is the intellectual structure of the state religion, theology.

                  The death of science in the west does not derive from any laws. It is a result of entryist post Christians replacing Christ the Logos, through whom all things were made, with Jesus the Jewish community organizer.

                  For all things were made through Christ the Logos, thus nature is Christ acting through material and effective causation, thus science is studying Christ, so long as it applies the scientific method rather than treading on the toes of priests by applying the theological method.

                  Digressing, I have said many times, that if scientists construct consensus, they are priesting, not sciencing, and they should lose their state and quasi state funding and jobs, and possibly their heads, for heresy.

                  If they construct consensus in the open in daylight, their jobs. If they do so behind closed doors, possibly their heads, depending on how powerful and effective the heresy is.

                  Finding consensus and presenting it the public is a priestly job, and is necessary for social order, for we want everyone on the same playing field playing by the same rules. But consensus about the facts of material and effective causation is always a lie, and it is a lie against Christ himself.

                  If on the other hand, scientists have to walk on eggshells, as Darwin did when he started on the Evolutionary psychology of sex differences, the state religion has lies at its core.

                  Jesus the Jewish community organizer improved upon the Law of Gnon, and now the priesthood was walking in his footsteps by improving it further, so if science said that men and women are not equal, science was in trouble.

                • i says:

                  @Dharmicreality

                  The Indus Valley Civilization had toilets. Which was flushed by aqueducts.

                  Don’t know why it took so long for it to return to being the norm:
                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanitation_of_the_Indus_Valley_Civilisation

                • someDude says:

                  @i

                  Because the Elite of the Indus valley civilization did not hate their proles.

                  India was quite decent sanitation and hygiene wise right until 1805 or so.

        • Aryaman says:

          If you follow my other comments here, I am a lot more sympathetic to and moved by Christianity than many other Hindus. Because English is my language, and because I can imagine something that tangibly worked whereas I have only the faintest sense of what an India that could compute the duration of a lunar eclipse more accurately than Europeans of the same time (circa 1765, using methods some centuries older) looked and felt like.

          I think Jim is right about demon infestation, but wrong about how lost the old Aryan religion is. The important sacraments one performs in life are as they were millennia ago and not just as a matter of ritual legalism but in form and spirit too. The newer gods do not show up much when you are chanting in front of a fire.

          But he is right that India is unclean because there is a culture of chasing after ritual cleanliness over actual cleanliness. There is an obsession with ritual cleanliness. The Brahmin will not touch his lips to the glass from which he drinks, will pour water on his feet before leaving the bathroom, but let that water linger and fester in the bathroom, which lingering and festering do not bother him as much as they should.

          And I fully expect Pakistan and Bangladesh are cleaner than India, though I may be wrong. I was shocked at how clean Sri Lanka was, and what I concluded from that was that Hinduism manifests itself in unclean behavior.

          There is something to Jim’s point about the Mahabharata, though I think his conclusion is wrong. The epic is filled with behavior that if actually replicated by humans would lead to madness. Consider Ekalavya. For the others, the story is this. Ekalavya is a prince who masters archery by secretly observing Drona without his consent (after Drona rejects him). Drona learns of this, Arjuna is upset he may not be the best archer; one thing leads to another, Drona requests Ekalavya cut off his right thumb, which Ekalavya does without hesitation. A series of unfortunate events, each with plausible explanation, yet you would think wiser people should have conspired to conclude peace; but when wiser people were unable to conspire to save Arjuna’s face without denying Ekalavya at the same time, it is not so surprising.

          I think Jim is wrong that Christianity is obviously different in this regard. The obvious reading of Jesus’ Semon on the Mount would lead to a whole lot of mad and insane behavior, and a great deal of interpretation is required to transmute ideas like “it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God” into something that does not lead to a whole lot of mad and insane behavior.

          To me it is pretty clear that a Hinduism that centers itself around Ram, Sita, and Ayodhya are more apt to lead to behavior that is actually virtuous. I don’t agree with Jim on the Mahabharata, but it’s not like there isn’t something to what he is saying.

        • Varna says:

          >Hell, even Marco Polo visited South India on his way to china.

          In Marco Polo’s time Western European streets were overflowing with shit.

          The time of urban streets not overflowing with shit probably ended when Rome fell into disfunction, and then gradually started getting de-shitted over the last century and a half.

          A Marco Polo would be much more likely to marvel at an urban center NOT overflowing with shit.

          • Somedude says:

            More heartening news. If western Europeans were once urban Street shutters and no longer are, then there’s hope for Indians as well. The trend is that street shitting is getting rarer and rarer in Indian urban centers. Good!

    • Oog en Hand says:

      TV Tropes: The Dung Ages

    • Oog en Hand says:

      (continued)

      “The Dung Ages are the representation of the Medieval Era as a Crapsack World of pustule-faced, cat-beating, dung-caked, mud-farming peasants, the antithesis of Ye Goode Olde Days, made popular by the Monty Python team. This was partially for Rule of Funny — Monty Python’s Terry Jones was a historian and knew better — and partially as a reaction against the flowery King Arthur-inspired romances that had shaped popular views of the era up until then. Portrayal of the Dung Ages is not limited to Britain and/or the Dark Ages. It’s often seen even in portrayals of cultures where it doesn’t belong. Many ancient Romans, for instance, bathed every day: once soapmaking arrived from Gaul, the Roman Patricians who could afford it used soap with abandon, possibly to a greater extent than we do.

      The core of this idea and portrayal is summed up in the page quote: prior to the widespread adoption of underground sewage infrastructure in the late nineteenth century, human shit and the menagerie of diseases associated with it were everyday sights and smells. This was especially true for armies and towns.

      Something to keep in mind is that neither The Dung Ages nor Ye Goode Olde Days is “more” accurate than the other. The reality is that while hygiene was not good by modern standards, and living conditions were not what we’d call “comfortable” (what with the lack of air conditioning, flush toilets, and weekly garbage pick-up), neither did most people walk around barefoot, caked in filth, eating rotten food and living in tumble-down huts made of sticks.”

    • The Ducking Man says:

      Just want to point out that mainland chinese (the ones where CCP are) also filled people shitting on the street. At the same time people from Taiwan are not known for street shitting.

      I’m not talking dirt poor mainlander, this is middle class mainlander who can afford foreign travel and still street shitting foreign countries. Hotel banning mainland chinese are apparently a thing but I never saw the sign myself.

      • Aidan says:

        The average Chinese is a rather filthy creature. The immigrants that a white man regularly interacts with are the cream of the crop- many more stay in their rancid Chinatown ghettos. Whereas even in the poorest, most depraved parts of white America, only perhaps a quarter of the trailer park population lives in filth and squalor. One can drive down the road, past many houses of the rural poor, all about the same size, and most are well kept and orderly.

        The street shitting debate is about tolerance for ugliness, not hygiene. A people, and especially an elite, that tolerates ugliness cannot do anything great.

        • Whitey says:

          > The street shitting debate is about tolerance for ugliness, not hygiene. A people, and especially an elite, that tolerates ugliness cannot do anything great.

          Exactly right. Well said.

        • Kunning Drueger says:

          A toggle sits before you. Switch it left, and street shitting disappears, but miscegenation becomes the norm. Switch it right, and street shitting becomes the norm while coal burning, tortilla tasting, and rice munching is extirpated.

        • Dharmicreality says:

          I think you’re mixing cause and effect. Tolerance for ugliness is a symptom of a demoralized and defeated civilization and not the cause of it.

          Once a people restore pride in their civilization the symptoms gets sorted very quickly. Note how even the somewhat blue pilled nationalism of BJP has done much more to curb the problem of open defecation compared to the socialist Congress which kept us down even after independence.

          • jim says:

            I observe the cow poop festival, and the odd behavior of Brahmins in relation to cleanliness. While there is much truth is the proposition that it is the reaction to defeat and demoralization, there is also an obvious religious component, indicative of demonic entryism.

            • Dharmicreality says:

              The extreme focus of traditional Brahmins towards ritual cleanliness is *after* the Brahmin were systematically demonized and removed from all levels of power. Traditional Brahmins in modern India fare much worse than you traditional whites. Demoralized and defeated, Brahmins could only focus on their own personal cleanliness and forced to ignore the filth that were sometimes deliberately thrown in their direction.

            • Dharmicreality says:

              Can you say that white legacy Americans being forced to tolerate black misbehavior with the implied threat of violence if such behaviour is objected to, is the cause of black misbehaving?

            • Kunning Drueger says:

              This may not be relevant, but always bear in mind that the clip you see is culled from the footage collected. Every layer of review/processing between the raw and the recipient is many opportunities for intentional parties to have their say. A few seconds of one thing does not necessarily necessitate a specific, different thing. 1 hour of well behaved blacks is not going to change my instinctual desire to survive. Just because it is a well edited, fully watermarked hour shouldn’t change that.

              3 man-on-the-street interviews totalling 45 seconds of news reel does not necessarily reflect general sentiment. Those fucking Pajeets were disgusting, but I could easily give you 15 minutes of white people footage that demonstrates precisely how backwards we are. It doesn’t mean there aren’t backwards whites, but it does mean you’re seeing them for a reason. Just saying.

            • someDude says:

              In so many decades living in India, This is the first time I have even heard that there is a festival in India where people splatter each other with CowDung. I mentioned it to friends, colleagues and relatives and none of them had heard about it either.

              India is a vast country, lots of people, lots of groups, lots of communities, tribes, sub groups etc. Things happen here, which people living here all their lives, even those widely travelled, have never even heard of.

              That festival is not indicative of Indian tolerance to filth having a religious component. That’s a complete outlier.

          • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

            That is a very good point. There is a sense of ownership in a healthy culture that a broken one lacks. The tragedy of the commons as regards to sanitation and health, you could say. However, unless I am missing something, that is not all. Whites have to be forced at gunpoint to allow the homeless and immigrants to defecate and spread filth. Absent that level of pressure, the streets are clean. Is that level of coercion being applied to traditional Hindus? If so, I think you have a better argument that it is not a Hindu problem, but a Cathedral problem.

            • someDude says:

              I’m running the risk of indulging in the “No True Scotsman” Fallacy, but here goes anyway.

              No, that level of coercion is not being applied on Traditional Hindus as far as cleanliness is concerned. What DharmicReality is pointing out is that Hindus are a demoralized people and Hindu civilization is a demoralized one. And the Indian state from 1947-2014 made sure that Hindus stayed demoralized with a variety of humiliating laws which are beyond the scope of this comment. So the state is indeed applying coercion on Hindus, not specifically for cleanliness, but to make sure they stay demoralized.

              A demoralized do not take pride in cleanliness or any other public virtue. As an analogy once offered by Jim himself, Witness incel Engineers in silicon valley living in expensive apartments that nevertheless do not look anywhere near as nice as the huts that a married with kids Filipino constructs with bamboo and a scythe. Are we going to argue that this is a problem with American Christianity?

              • Oog en Hand says:

                “Are we going to argue that this is a problem with American Christianity?”
                Yes. It turns men into beta incels.

                • someDude says:

                  Brother Oog En Hand, I appreciate your commitment to the Old Gods of the Aryans and your fealty to the blood of your ancestors.

                  Yet, you too would admit that the comment you made is tongue in cheek. You have a history of comments so cryptic, I need to read it several times before I can figure out your intent. You’re just trying to take the piss out of practising Christians.

                • jim says:

                  > [American Christianity] turns men into beta incels.

                  A symptom that it needs fixing.

                  Torba is rattling on about porn. Should be worried about romance.

                  The prohibition against adultery and fornication should be understood as a particular case, a particularly important and special case, of the prohibition against not violating the property rights of other men – not as the special and superior holiness and sacredness of women.

                  Porn is bad for you and masturbation is bad for you, but unowned woman need to be propertized by carrying them off.

              • Karl says:

                SomeDude, that is a very convincing comment. Situation is similar in Germany. Street shitting is a problem imported from Africa and any European man who objects to street shitting is prosecuted. After a while everybody got the message. Some problems can’t be solved by one man alone.

                Of course, once a man realises that he will be prosecuted for objecting to street shitting and understands that a new government and a new state religion are required for solving the problem, he also realises that this city, which was created by his ancestors, is no longer “his” city.

                If it is not his city, he won’t try to preserve it anymore. So public virtue (of this kind) vanishes, even if the man will still be virtuous with family, friends, and in business dealings.

                If there is street shitting in India, the argument that this is a Cathedral problem -like it is in Germany or SanFranciso- is very strong and -for me anyway- convincing.

                Well, if it is Cathedral problem, why did it trigger such an emotional response from Indian commenters?

                I assume that everyone here is aware that the Cathedral is both powerful and evil. Noone of us is responsible for the bad things the Cathedral causes and noone of us can do more than oppose these evil forces as best he can.

                • someDude says:

                  I’m not convinced by the argument that an emotional response from Indian commenters automatically points to street shitting being a Hinduism problem.

                  Street shitting in India is mostly a problem of demoralization from which all other vices of the Hindus flow. Once a man is demoralized, he also become apathetic and quickly reverts to a state of sub-human. Its very much like an individual suffering from depression. For people like that, it is a struggle to get out of bed everyday.

                  I’ve been in Germany for work projects and I’ve noticed native-stock Germans deliberately urinating on the streets after a night out of drinking and partying on the weekends. Now that is done as “fun and games” and not as necessity as in India. Yet, that too reflects a lack of civic pride and in some sense, the fruits of a steady cathedral campaign of demoralization of Germans after WW2.

                  I can’t imagine National Socialists pissing on the streets after a night out of drinking. Civic Pride makes all the difference.

                • i says:

                  One of the advantages of Christianity is the Anti blackpill.

                  First the acceptance of suffering of life. But also triumph over said suffering:
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiIHYKuzlaI

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS16dqAjQ9k

                  Such is the nature of the passion and of the immense burden of sin and wrath of God as he lay on the cross in 3 hours of darkness. Suffering all God’s Wrath for all our crimes.

                  Yet after that he rose from the dead in Triumph to ascend to Heaven. Read to re-order creation and in the future crushing Satan’s Empire.

                  To finally reign after giving everyone what they deserve. But rewarding those who trusted in him.

                  To lose hope is to be an apostate because that is disbelieving in the ultimate triumph of Christ.

                  You are obligated to not lose hope. For that would be betraying God.

                  Judas lost hope and killed himself after betraying Jesus. And cut himself from all forgiveness in Jesus Christ. Unlike Peter who refused to take that route.

                • i says:

                  Also in Masculinity terms:

                  The Existential Blackpill is the ultimate cowardice. The worst form of weakness imaginable for any Man to embrace.

                  He who embraces defeat in existential terms is he who has emasculated himself.

                  But he that never loses hope has a solid foundation for his masculinity to flourish.

                • Karl says:

                  I don’t think it’s a Hinduism problem and explicitly stated that it is -in my opinion- a cathedral problem. You are addressing an argument I never made.

                  Germans urinating on streets in Germany might be more common than it used to be, but I suspect some National Socialist also did it. It is a very minor offence, like dropping a cigarette butt.

                  It gets more serious when people are pissing on seats in public transport (Berlin has a reputation for that problem). I’m sure the National Socialists were not doing that.

                  Anyway, when men behave worse than dogs, something is very wrong. Lack of civic pride is part of the answer, but does not explain destructive behavior. Deliberate destruction of public property is a statement of hostility.

                • someDude says:

                  @Karl

                  In that case, my bad.

                  The reason that street shitting triggers such an emotional response is partly that we are ashamed of it. But mostly because street shitting is invoked to derail any other constructive or interesting dialogue that might be going on about Hinduism or India in general.

                • i says:

                  Demonic oppression manifests very often as nakedness and madness:
                  https://biblehub.com/bsb/luke/8.htm

                  When the demon is cast out. He cleans up and is dressed.

                  I do wonder if a lot of bad hygiene is also the result of demonic oppression.

                  Other animals outside humans know to bathe and undertake forms of self-cleaning unique to them.

                • The reason we trad Hindus post on this blog is because we feel your pain, and can relate to the plight of whites in the west. The problems we face are eerily similar and our enemies are the same more or less.

                  Unfortunately Hinduism has been demonized in copybook prog fashion and it hurts that some folk here has used the same manner of attack seemingly buying into the frame of the progs.

                • jim says:

                  Yes, but Suones pissed us all off by attacking Christianity as the faith of a semitic demon.

                  To which we responded in kind.

                  Gnon is a tribalist. God chose the Jews. They Jewed him, and he dropped them in favor of a synthetic tribe. The Christian Church is that tribe. We are now the chosen people. Judeo Christianity is an enemy heresy, and a quite new enemy heresy.

                  The faith of Harvard is our common enemy. When Christians rule America and Hindus rule India, then we may pursue that quarrel. Suones was Jewing us.

                  The attacks on Hinduism were a relevant and appropriate reply to the attacks on Christianity. You have presented a convincing case that the street shitter criticism is inappropriate – the cause is likely not the substitution of ritual cleanliness for actual cleanliness, but civilizational and cultural collapse due to hostile foreign cultural domination.

                  But the criticism that India was conquered almost by accident by a bunch of English Christians looking to improve the English cooking is valid. You have to dig back further to find maths and technology, than I have to dig back to find science, technology, industrialization, and empire.

                  Repeating yet again: The death of science in the west is a result of entryist post Christians replacing Christ the Logos, through whom all things were made, with Jesus the Jewish community organizer.

                  For all things were made through Christ the Logos, thus nature is Christ acting through material and effective causation, thus science is studying Christ, so long as it applies the scientific method rather than treading on the toes of priests by applying the theological method.

                  Finding consensus and presenting it the public is a priestly job, and is necessary for social order, for we want everyone on the same playing field playing by the same rules. But consensus about the facts of material and effective causation is always a lie, and it is a lie against Christ himself. So religion needs to keep an eye on science and ensure it sticks to its proper magistry.

                  But if scientists have to walk on eggshells, as Darwin did when he started on the Evolutionary psychology of sex differences, the state religion has lies at its core.

                  Jesus the Jewish community organizer improved upon the Law of Gnon, and now the priesthood was walking in his footsteps by improving it further, so if science said that men and women are not equal, science was in trouble.

                • Jim I am not so worried about explaining British rule of India. It came at the decline of Mughal empire when large parts of india were not under Hindu rule and when the Hindus were tired out by centuries of struggle against the desert cult.

                  In fact British consolidated their rule through east India co by this method with the smaller Hindu and Islamic rulers

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidiary_alliance

                • jim says:

                  > Jim I am not so worried about explaining British rule of India. It came at the decline of Mughal empire when large parts of india were not under Hindu rule and when the Hindus were tired out by centuries of struggle against the desert cult.

                  You failed against the desert cult, at the same time as the invigorated imperial powers finally brought it sharply to heel, and set about vigorously converging it.

                  To find a healthy and successful Christianity, I do not have to look back very far. I can see what went right, and I know exactly how and why it went of the rails.

                  To find a healthy and successful Hinduism, you have to look back a fair bit further, and the data is likely to be obscure, obfuscated, and hard to understand over a barrier of considerable cultural distance and subtle language differences.

                • @jim, agreed, we definitely need to dig deeper to find the root causes of India falling into the rule of the dar al islam.

                • someDude says:

                  @DharmicReality

                  You are making another error here. An error that the progs want you to make. The progs want us to think that the Brits rescued Hindus from the Muslims. This is completely wrong, a distortion in the way History is taught to humiliate the Hindus even more.

                  The Brits did not take India from the Mughals. I repeat the Brits did not take India from the Mughals. The Brits took India from the Marathas. The Marathas were the dominant power in India after the Battle of Delhi in 1737, which was 20 years before plassey. The Brits became the dominant power in India after the 2nd Anglo Maratha war in 1805.

                  Had the Brits not made it, Marathi might well have been the national language of India.

                • i says:

                  @jim

                  According to my reading of Biblical Prophecy. God did say he will preserve them as an Ethnic group:

                  “35Thus says the LORD, who gives the sun for light by day, who sets in order the moon and stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar—the LORD of Hosts is His name: 36“Only if this fixed order departed from My presence, declares the LORD, would Israel’s descendants ever cease to be a nation before Me.” 37This is what the LORD says: “Only if the heavens above could be measured and the foundations of the earth below searched out would I reject all of Israel’s descendants because of all they have done,” declares the LORD”

                  https://biblehub.com/bsb/jeremiah/31.htm

                  But they will have to suffer immensely from discipline.

                  And as per (Romans 11):

                  25I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

                  “The Deliverer will come from Zion;

                  He will remove godlessness from Jacob.

                  27And this is My covenant with them

                  when I take away their sins.”h

                  28Regarding the gospel, they are enemies on your account; but regarding election, they are loved on account of the patriarchs. 29For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable.”

                  Israel will be saved in the end-times. All this because of God’s pledge to preserve them

                • @somedude, I am well aware of that fallacy and so I didn’t say or mean that the Brits “rescued” Hindus from the mughals. I meant that the india weakened by constant wars between Hindus and Mughals left us in a weak state ripe for the taking by Brits.

                  Definitely the Marathas were powerful enough at the time of Mughal decline and we can only speculate the future of india had not the Brits intervened.

                • someDude says:

                  Jim, we did not fail against Islam. The Marathas were doing a reconquista when the Brits burst upon the scene. By the time the Brits got started in 1757, the Marathas were the dominant power in India.

                  We failed against the Brits, yes, but then who didn’t? Besides, after 1100 years of continuously battling the Desert Boys, the Hindus were experiencing Fatigue. They naturally did not pay much attention to the Brits since British were present in India right from 1600 to 1757 without making too many gains and largely confining themselves to trade.

                • jim says:

                  But you lost maths in the 1600s, and steel considerably earlier. That is not the fault of outside forces.

                • someDude says:

                  @DharmicReality

                  You did mention that Large parts of India were NOT under Hindu rule, but in fact they were. The Marathas only opponents of any stature were the Nizam of Hyderabad and Hyder Ali of Mysore, both of whom they were about to dispatch.

                • At the height of Mughal power large parts of india were not under Hindu rule. At its decline, you are right Hindu rulers were making a strong comeback most specifically the Marathas. I made an inadvertent mistake on the timeline…

                  Yet on the broader point we are in agreement. Hindus were fatigued and distracted at the time of British intervention and that is the point to be made.

                • @somedude, I did miss mentioning the significance of the Marathas in viewing the broad scope, an inadvertent but very unfortunate error on my part.

                  Shows that we need to be eternally vigilant when taking larger lessons from history.
                  https://learn.culturalindia.net/the-maratha-empire.html

                • alf says:

                  We failed against the Brits, yes, but then who didn’t?

                  Oh come on. The French didn’t. The Dutch didn’t. The Scandinavians didn’t. The holy Roman empire didn’t. The Spanish didn’t. Hell, even the Muslims didn’t.

                • someDude says:

                  @alf

                  Sorry, I was being rhetorical. Yes, the Brits did not conquer any of the polities you mention, but they prevailed against all those polities when they came into conflict, Honorable exceptions being the two Anglo-Dutch wars.

                  But the Brits did conquer Muslims nations.

                • alf says:

                  Yes, the Brits did not conquer any of the polities you mention, but they prevailed against all those polities when they came into conflict, Honorable exceptions being the two Anglo-Dutch wars.

                  But the Brits did conquer Muslims nations.

                  The English did not ‘prevail against all those polities’. They won some, lost some, overall were one of the most successful empires in history, but had plenty of competitors that gave them a hard time or at the very least could hold their own ground. India was not one of states. If it weren’t the English, you would have been colonized by another.

                  Most commenters on this blog come from ancestries who were on the ‘colonising’ rather than the ‘colonised’ side, and I think there is an unspoken assumption that the Indians in this comment section should show some deference to their historical position.

                • Kunning Druegger says:

                  While desiring to remain on the Friend Of Pajeet list, Alf brings up a very good point. We are traditionalists. We respect history and desire to instill this respect in ourselves, our children, our tribe, and our nation. The Progressive seeks to demean the triumphs of successful civilization and to laud the perversions and failings of broken ethnicities.

                  If it’s any consolation, every single colonial powerhouse has fallen prey to anti-society memes. In the end, it was the savages and bitches at home that we failed to subdue that were our undoing.

            • The coercive power is that a Hindu upper caste man dare not admonish a prole because literally he can be literally charged with the crime of caste hatred, just like a white dare not admonish a black for misbehaving.

              https://www.indiacode.nic.in/handle/123456789/1920?sam_handle=123456789/1362

              This Act keeps upper caste Hindus terrified to even call out misbehaving proles if they look low tier, because you risk invoking the act and serving jail time

              • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

                That is precisely the sort of threat at gunpoint that Americans face. Given the balance of the evidence, it would seem that street shitting is probably Cathedral-caused. A return to high-caste Hindu rule would probably solve a great deal of the problem.

                • Post independent india has a bunch of laws that stripped traditional Hindu society of its status and role as the natural elite, the major ones being the law that gave Hindu females right to inherit ancestral property in contrast to traditional Hindu law where family succession is from father to son and married daughters were treated as belonging to the family of their husbands. Also the creation of marriage and divorce laws in accordance with the Harvard religion.

  16. Ghost says:

    Medical industrial complex NIH starting to come clean on Covid scam:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9062939/

    • jim says:

      The Demon worshiping branch of medical science and the medical priesthood, overrules the branch that has actual contact with patients, that branch being less converged.

      The patient connected branch is getting truculent now that they realize that their lack of convergence and inadequate sacrifice to demons has resulted in major loss of status.

      • Ghost says:

        Yes, their reality is beginning to crack. The next phase is consensus followed by scape-goating. But, will they deliver Fauci to the hands of justice?

    • The Ducking Man says:

      I feel like being gaslighted reading the article. I even checked the url thrice when I skim the article.

      • jim says:

        You are being gaslighted.

        But that you can read an article that gaslights you in a less stupid and obvious manner is a major retreat by the medical establishment.

        I did not read the entire article, only a very small part of it, too tiring to try to sort out the lies from the truths, particularly when everyone already knows the few truths permitted.

    • Kunning Drueger says:

      I assume this is severe paranoia, but I was about to stop reading after the second or third obvious grammar mistake when I thought about how spam emails use poor grammar to intentionally weed out people with better critical analysis skills, which is an interesting dimension to the power of proofreaders and editors.

  17. Kunning Drueger says:

    https://youtu.be/Zm7PNlK5Aco

    This is 1950-60s technology. I’m not in the position to say it’s better or worse than chemical rockets, but everything you see in the film was crafted with care and precision, essentially by hand. No CAD or computer controlled high precision engineering. The terrifying power and scope of whiteman’s science is inspiring and intimidating.

    Somewhat related, and probably impossible to answer, but where did “pure science” stop? What field, technology, or capability represents the pinnacle, the high water mark?

    • jim says:

      In 1964 we had a working prototype nuclear rocket engine with an ISP of 800, which would make single stage to orbit entirely feasible, reasonable, and efficient. Then you refuel in orbit to get to Mars. And that, I think was the height of western technology.

      The height of plane technology was the U2, 1955. Which kind of barely worked, and over time, worked worse and worse.

      • Kunning Drueger says:

        It’s like they demonized the most complicated, powerful elements of science that were directly applicable to accelerating human scientific eras. Did they do it to go after the stuff that gave them an inferiority complex, or was the goal to retard growth, which is something they do in almost all fields they take over?

      • Cloudswrest says:

        A nuclear rocket has advantages besides just high ISP. Since the propellant is independent of the energy source just about any reasonably inert liquid substance, e.g. water, will do in a pinch, albeit with less ISP. Musk could just charge of the fuel tanks on Mars with CO2. Although to liquefy it you need a pressure vessel. Liquid nitrogen is pretty cheap. All these latter propellants will come with an increased radiation hazard because, while Hydrogen (Protium) does not neutron activate, just about any other exhaust will. Although in deep space who cares?

        Since the energy source is essentially infinite by rocket standards I would suggest a “dockable” rocket motor that docks to the propellant fuel tanks, reducing fuel stage weight. When the first stage is empty the motor undocks and the tank is jettisoned. The motor then docs to the second stage, etc.

        • Cloudswrest says:

          Liquid Nitrogen looks like a rather clean (radiologically) propellant. N14 is near 100%. N15 is stable and N16, N17 have sub minute half lives to stable elements.

          • Cloudswrest says:

            Similarly for Oxygen, so H2O looks like a radiologically clean propellant.

          • jim says:

            Only hydrogen can give a nuclear rocket a decent ISP. What is wrong with hydrogen?

            It is available throughout the solar system, except for bodies that pass near or within earth orbit. Notably the moon, on which it is very limited.

            Water is fine, if you do not care about big velocity changes – and unless you are landing on a planet, you do not. In fact a nuclear rocket running on water gives four times as much thrust for the same amount of power and engine mass as a nuclear rocket running on hydrogen, so it is actually better to use water if you are just making deep space course adjustment. You also use less water if you use it as water, than if you convert it to hydrogen then use it, so consume less local resources and take up considerably less space – but if you have to carry a large amount of water, then for a given delta v, it is going to weigh you down more. But for doodling around in the outer solar system without making planet landings, locally acquired water is good reaction mass for a nuclear rocket. Water gives a nuclear rocket considerably more thrust per unit volume of fuel, and considerably more thrust for a given motor, but considerably less thrust per unit of reaction mass.

            For nuclear rocket takeoff from Mars, would be sensible to start with nitrogen as reaction mass and then switch to hydrogen after you reach three kilometers per second. Delta V to reach orbit around mars is a bit over four kilometres a second, for which a nitrogen fueled nuclear rocket would have difficulty, but for delta Vs around three kilometers a second, water or liquid nitrogen is actually better, particular as you will want high thrust during takeoff from a planetary body. Nitrogen is also more compatible than water with various reactor structural materials at high temperature. You have some materials that will react with hydrogen at high temperature, and some materials that will react with water. It is likely to be inconvenient exclude both categories. Nitrogen will be fine, but is only conveniently available on earth and mars.

    • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

      Men of The Future understood from the very beginning of the space race that nuclear propulsion was the vital key, the Way and the Light to large scale interstellar economy, the innovation of forms of Capital that may proliferate beyond the dusty prison of our gravity well.

      A situation which has hardly changed for nearly a century to date.

      The progress of occidental civilization has been stillborn, strangled in the crib even, when the regnant underlords of the age made it so that mere property owners could not utilize the power of Our Friend, The Atom; that only those with the blessing of the theocracy could have a go – and only in ways in accordance with the diktats of the same. Thus, The Future died almost as soon as it started to live, earther scum spitefully endeavoring to drag all of their neighbors back down into the crab bucket of their mutual internment, that none may escape their ultimate desire for mutual annihilation.

  18. JustAnotherGuy says:

    Here’s something I noticed about information scrubbing on the net recently:

    Some randos on a certain website mentioned that there was a scene of a German show by the name of ‘Generation: War’ that you cannot find easily anymore on places like youtube. The show of course is about demonizing the germoid and whitey for their evil deeds and stuff, but it also demonized the Ukrainians by showing them as nazi sympathizers who were more hardcore on dealing with the jews living on their lands than the Germans were. The scene where there is a blue and yellow striped Ukrainian carrying off a Jewish child to a pogrom and a good boi Wehrmacht soldier stopping him is very hard to find on youtube. I remember that video distinctly have like 500k views way way back in the day, but now I can’t find it for the life of me.

    Obviously not surprising to most because Cathedralites engage in book burning all the time, but I am surprised there is a sort of ‘sanity’ in the way of not treating your immediate friends like enemies as was the case in the Spanish Civil War with the Republican anarchists attacking allies, raping nuns, terrorizing communities etc. I’m sure this is all down to the very smart and old whitey still holding the reigns on the democrat party, but for how long can they hold it and prevent Shanique from taking over and diverting all the supplies and aid from Ukraine back to America’s ghettos is not yet certain.

    • Pax Imperialis says:

      YouTube search algo has become very useless when looking for politically sensitive subjects. The platform is being sanitized at accelerating pace. Becoming very hard to even get re-uploads of purged accounts to show up in searches.

      Often search results for wrong think subjects will give completely unrelated mainstream media.

  19. Cloudswrest says:

    Somewhat irritated. On Twitter Greg Cochran appears to be over the top GAE aligned on the Ukraine issue. Reading his posts he could be mistaken for a Neocon. Even Steve Sailer is “lukewarm” on the topic. He’s of the type, “We can all agree Putin is evil but …”

      • Kunning Drueger says:

        A link left by someone all those years ago, to the tune of “erectuswalkamongus” no points to an HIV prophylaxis drug for gays. I wonder if that’s an intentional piece of convergent vandalism?

        • Drien says:

          “Erectusamongus.” Isn’t that the idea that subsarahans are homo erectus? What do you guys think of that?

          • jim says:

            Nah, subsaharans are not home erectus.

            The coastal Australian aboriginal were homo erectus, but they died out immediately when whites settled the cast.

            The Tasmanians were also homo erectus, and we have more record of them. They were not interfertile with whites or mainland aboriginals and the white men kept kept them as concubines, with no result.


            Tasmanian skull.


            human skull.


            pintubi and modern human skull.


            African pygmy skull.

            pygmys can interbreed, but the hybrids have vastly reduced fertility.

            • Drien says:

              So what are subsaharans? A subspecies of sapiens?

              • jim says:

                Intermediate between chimps and most advanced humans. Varies greatly within Africa, some being a great deal closer to the more advanced humans than others. Since Darwin did not want to deal with that mess, he arbitrarily categorized them as a subspecies, rather than a species, noting that there were far too many good and compelling arguments for both positions, but the distinction between a species difference and a subspecies difference is an arbitrary sharp line that we draw upon our maps of nature. A line on the map, not the thing being mapped, in this case a line drawn by Darwin himself.

                • ten says:

                  What do you mean with “Intermediate between chimps and most advanced humans”?

                  A few years back there was some hurrum about 20ish % of subsaharan genetics being traceable to a “ghost population of archaic hominin”, that some conjectured to be erectus. I agree with you that this is not the case, and were i a betting man, i would point to habilis. I was interested in whether this genetic flow comes via khoisanoid populations, if it is common between those more archaic africans and the bantu, or if it comes from the bantu lineage, but failed to find out. The closest i came were some somali supremacists making the case that this genetic signal is abscent among the nilotics, leaving the three mentioned vectors.

                  Do you know any details?

                • jim says:

                  > What do you mean with “Intermediate between chimps and most advanced humans”?

                  Check out genetic distance tables in Root of the Phylogenetic Tree of Human Populations .

                  “since the rate of evolutionary change may vary from population to population owing to the fluctuation of population size and other factors.”

                  Suprise surprise, there were very large differences in the rate of evolutionary change between those humans that advanced into environments very different from the ancestral environment of ape and man, and those humans who remained close to our ancestral trees.

                  Some of us walked out of the jungle to the Savannah, and kept right on going till we reached the tundra. Some of us did not.

                • simplyconnected says:

                  What do you mean with “Intermediate between chimps and most advanced humans”?

                  Subsaharan Africans are the most different from all others. If you cluster DNA using 5 clusters you get the five races, if you cluster with 2 clusters you get “subsaharan African” and “everyone else”.

                  You can also see this from most traits being in order: “Subsaharan African” then caucasian, then asian (say IQ, brain size, violent tendency, etc.). Where the biggest gap is from subsaharan African to caucasian, and a much smaller difference from caucasian to asian.

  20. Pax Imperialis says:

    This is partly in response to fable and rimmard, but more generally a response to what I’ve seen people get wrong consistently here and irl.

    On racial differences in shit testing:

    Seen lots of confusion on Asian women and to a lesser extent on Black women in regards to shit testing.

    White women are passive aggressive in public and private. That produces a low intensity but constant shit test. I think most of the commenters here are White so know what this means. No need to further elaborate.

    East Asian women are passive in public and aggressive in private.
    Westerners tend to mistakenly think that East Asian women don’t shit test and are more accessible to reason than White women. That is false. In East Asia everything is about context. The public is male, thus the women lets the men save face by being demure in public. They are still judging you in often completely irrational ways. They are just not vocalizing it in public. Should you be in a private setting with the right context like married or dating (for marriage not fun), she will blow up like Mount Vesuvius over every single current or past “infraction.”

    East Asian women do not obviously shit test men in public, because they shit test twice as hard in private and are extremely direct about it. There is lots of nuanced, contextually dependent testing going on in the background as well, but that would require going in depth into East Asian culture.

    Black women are hyper aggressive, often physically so, in nearly all cases. They will actually try to physically beat a man in public or private with no apparent recognition that they are completely physically outclassed by the man.

    American Blacks have varying level of White genetics so some of them are sometimes closer to being passive aggressive, although it tends to be a highly aggressive version of passive aggressive complete with threats of “whooping yo asses”
    ———————————————————
    On race mixing between East Asians and Whites

    I’ve also seen a lot of confusion on hapas and why they are so dysfunctional. Many think they are dysfunctional because they are mixed race, that is massively missing what is going on. The majority of East Asian immigration to America has been from the peasant class and lower like “juicy girls.” East Asian society was far more ossified than Western and so that peasant or “juicy girl” today is likely a pure bred from a very long lineage. East Asians are generally smart and tend to perform well academically regardless of class. Thus they often get into top American universities and institutions regardless of their class background. Americans not being highly aware of foreign class systems, and doubly unaware of East Asian culture and social structure, tend to have no idea what they are dealing with.

    What that means is that much higher class White men (America’s natural aristocracy) often end up socializing and marrying extremely low class East Asian peasants or worse like thorough bred whores. It’s a large part why many Asian American women only date white men because they can take advantage of American cultural and class blindness and massively marry up. That’s not going to result in great outcomes for the offspring especially when the man has no idea what type of woman he just married.

    This isn’t a problem limited to Asians and Americans. Just look at how immensely dysfunction the outcome of Prince Harry marrying Rachel Meghan Markle, the offspring of white trailer trash and lowest of blacks. Give it another 20 years and their offspring has the potential of being a constant embarrassment to the crown. Prince Harry, being British, had little understanding of American class structure and thus had little idea on what he was marrying. The Jewish matchmaker, being cosmopolitan, knew exactly what she was introducing the royal family and did so on purpose.

    The few East Asians in the west who are from higher classes do not have problems when mixing with the white population because they tend to marry at the same level and produce offspring at the same level. That shouldn’t be surprising since the aristocracy tends to have more in common with each other than their own “people.” Those Asians also tend to be political exiles or their descendants due to the large number of purges that have happened.

    TL:DR
    If you’re going to race mix, have a damn good understanding of the other culture and class system so you don’t mistakenly marry from the bottom of the barrel… Unless you’re already at the bottom of the barrel and in that case you might as well take the chance you mistakenly get to marry up.

    • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

      >mischlings are dysfunctional because many of then are products of downwards mobility.

      Yes; and also because they are miscegenated.

      >aristocracy tends to have more in common with each other than their own “people.”

      A MiG-15 and a F-86 Saber are similar aircraft with similar roles and similar performance in those roles; they also have no parts in common, and you cannot make or repair one with pieces of the other.

      Friends don’t let friends let their brainmeats get eaten by cosmopolitan mind-worms.

      • Pax Imperialis says:

        “because they are miscegenated”

        If miscegenation by itself was a major cause for dysfunction, then every conquering tribe in history would have produced dysfunctional offspring and suffered for it. That clearly did not happen. The Magyars for example are doing comparatively fine.

        Nearly all peoples alive today are the descendants of conquering tribes who killed the opposing tribe’s men and took their women. Yet there are drastic variations between functionality of various tribes today.

        Clearly the type of miscegenation matters on whether or not it’s dysfunctional. Sometimes you get good results. Good results are rare but also exist in a nonrandom fashion meaning under proper circumstances can be replicated with high levels of success. I am not advocating for the average person to attempt this. That’s going to generally lead to bad results in the modern era, but it’s also not something that should be strictly forbidden either.

        There’s an entire agriculture industry of selective breeding of farm animals along with cross breeding variants to chase after desirable attributes. We more or less practice that with human reproduction at varying levels of success…

        “A MiG-15 and a F-86 Saber are similar aircraft with similar roles”

        People are not planes, but to work with that metaphor some groups are similar enough to be comparable to variants of the same plane such as the F-15 Eagle family.

        If planes could bred you would find that the offspring of a MiG-15 and a F-86 Saber would likely still be a fighter plane, and it’s not like plane designers didn’t take note of successful design features of other planes and utilize them.

        That’s going to work far better than attempting to crossing a MiG-15 with a B-17 and getting some multi role fighter that doesn’t do anything well at all.

        European aristocracies (as well as nearly all aristocracies) were historically cosmopolitan because kingdoms and empires are nearly always multi ethnic (conquest has that effect) and thus required leadership that can maintain control over all peoples. Cosmopolitan aristocrats/elites are not a problem so long as they are virtuous. The problems we have today is that our aristocrats/elites are largely immoral.

        To highlight that point, during the Victorian era most of the major European monarchies were related to each other by blood or marriage, yet they still put their own nation’s interests first which unfortunately lead to WW1. They were willing to fight each other. Compare that to today where the elites sacrifice national interests for international interests to such an extent it looks like they would rather scratch each other’s backs than even contemplate fighting.

        There is need for a cosmopolitan segment of a nation. It shouldn’t be large nor dominant, but it exists for a reason. Trump was an obvious cosmopolitan, but an extremely virtuous one in comparison to what is currently the majority. Instead of condemning the cosmopolitans, we need elite defections.

        • Kunning Drueger says:

          The issue is that the cosmopolitan segment seems to always be the section that happens to spawn a growth and dominance characteristic, leading it to subjugate instead of cooperate.

          The Korean War Era fighter jet analogy is interesting. Imagine you just do a random mix of parts, capabilities, and flaws. Add to that the pilot and all their eccentricities, and you get a tricky situation. Miscegenation is quite often a tricky situation.

          It is better to discourage via culture and lazy laws, letting the natural lab of en vivo mating, which will always occur where races connect and overlap, show which admixtures work, and which don’t. Indeed, we’ve already got a pretty good sense things in that regard. The most inherently racist force that acts upon society is the inherent good sense of the commoners when it comes to aspects of living they control. It’s why the background propaganda leans so hard on well framed pictures of “successful diversity.” It takes a lot passive social programming, at a very high frequency and over long stretches of time, to dull the senses of business owners and housewives, particularly if they live in proximity to unsuccessful diversity.

          • Pax Imperialis says:

            Cosmopolitan segment develops after the dominance characteristic is developed. All groups wish to subjugate nature to their whims. Hunting grounds, agriculture, etc. They want to own space. Eventually that space comes into contact with other owned space and a prisoner’s dilemma occurs so long as they are separately owned spaces. That is not a stable equilibrium and it leads to subjugation rather than cooperation if possible. Once subjugation of another population happens, figuring out how to deal with them is what leads to cosmopolitan tenancies to develop among the elites. Remember that historically it was far easier to control a million serfs than to kill them in contrast to today where it’s far easier to kill a million than to control.

            We don’t just randomly mix parts, capabilities, and flaws in jet design. Engineers make informed decisions on the costs and benefits of mixing ideas and designs. Neither do we randomly marry. People overwhelmingly marry within their social group/status level. When they do not marry at their level there tends to be compensating reasons. For example a woman might consider an ugly man if he has money or consider a poor man if he is capable. A man might consider any woman if she is beautiful enough.

            What I’ve observed is that often in mixed race/culture marriages neither party can adequately assess the other party’s level due to the inherent exoticism. The foreign other falls outside their mental frameworks. Their ability to determine compensating reasons are also compromised. Thus they tend not to marry within social group/level since they can’t make an informed decision. This is a problem men tend to have more than women which gives women a competitive advantage for marrying up.

            Miscegenation is a tricky situation not because it’s miscegenation itself but an informed decision problem I outlined. The aristocracy/upper class historically didn’t have a problem with being informed and so could often race/culture mix with successful outcomes. The remnants of Asia’s aristocracy is still highly informed about race and class of both Asian and American societies. They can make informed decisions and their mixed offspring tend to be normal by traditional upper class standards. Upper class White Americans, along with White Americans in general, have been forced fed a steady diet of propaganda such that they can’t accurately see race or class or even culture. They tend not to be able to make informed decisions and thus when they mix with other groups it tends to be a crap shot which is why miscegenation tends to have such a bad association.

        • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

          >If miscegenation by itself was a major cause for dysfunction, then every conquering tribe in history would have produced dysfunctional offspring and suffered for it.

          There’s a case to be made. The Spanish killed the men and took the women. The English killed the men and also the women, and replaced them with more of themselves. A/B testing gives rather favorable results on the later over the former.

          >Nearly all peoples alive today are the descendants of conquering tribes who killed the opposing tribe’s men and took their women. Yet there are drastic variations between functionality of various tribes today.

          Nearly all people alive today are also scions of geographically isolated clades that thereby developed into contiguously heterzygotic population clusters over successive generations; hence the drastic variations.

          >There’s an entire agriculture industry of selective breeding of farm animals along with cross breeding variants to chase after desirable attributes.

          Intensive animal husbandry efforts are also predicated on high generational throughput to produce enough viable examples of the experiments while screening out all the defectives.

          No people are not planes; the main point of the analogy is to draw attention to the fact that similar returns on a given metric does not by necessity imply likewise similar means of achieving the metric. For example, a given beam of hardwood and a given beam of carbon steel could both return identical results on a compressive strength test, while of course having quite different physical architectures.

          The most important functions of the humanoid organism are polygenic and entangled with each other. Architectures evolved for various use-cases are not necessarily commensurate with each other, even and especially if they are a like use-case. This is obviously not to say that cross-fertility is impossible, it is to say that, speaking of animal husbandry concepts one would profit from looking up, out-breeding depression is also a thing that exists on the continuum of things.

          >Cosmopolitan aristocrats/elites are not a problem so long as they are virtuous.

          A republic is not a problem as long as the elite is virtuous; but it is the very problem itself that it takes a virtuous elite, and makes it unvirtuous.

          • Aidan says:

            It is a fair point that was made; all great races were born of miscegenation, when the conquerors moved in and killed the men, and took the women. The conquest of Europe by the Aryans was precisely like this, when golden-skinned, golden-haired, and golden-eyed men took dark-haired, pale-skinned, and blue-eyed demon worshiping women as wives.

            As Spengler said: “I care not about a pure race, but a strong one.” My theory is that many misfits and abominations were born of early miscegenation, but were ruthlessly weeded out; only the excellent offspring managed to pass their genes down, and the population eventually became homogenous. There is potential for many crossbreeds to become strong races of their own; crossbreeding with an east asian could produce Genghis Khan, or Eliot Roger. But racination in this fashion will take many, many generations.

            Because I cannot throw my son in the river if he turns out like Eliot Roger, I will stick with white women.

            • jim says:

              > The conquest of Europe by the Aryans was precisely like this, when golden-skinned, golden-haired, and golden-eyed men took dark-haired, pale-skinned, and blue-eyed demon worshiping women as wives.

              This is excessively brief. The Aryans originated long before they conquered the world. Discussion of Aryan origins, my origins, would be profitable, and it looks like you are relying on different sources to me. What are your sources, how did they reconstruct the skin and hair color?

              Since one group originated in the South, and the other had long been in the colder regions, the skin colors are plausible, but my understanding of mingling event is that, during the neolithic, the invaders expanded by biological expansion without significant intermarriage, until they ran into people of a very different race with comparable technological level and social organization, whereupon they eventually made peace with exchange of hostages and wives. And then, quite a long time after that mingling and intermarriage event, the resulting race discovered copper weapons and began conquering the world. World conquest began with copper against stone, but soon enough was bronze against bronze.

              If the legends accurately depict the mingling event, it was warlike mingling of equals or near equals, which makes sense given that the invaders expanded a very long way through Europe without mingling. Uneasy peace between equals with exchange of hostages and brides.

              • Aidan says:

                I don’t have them on hand; it was something I read a long time ago from a geneticist who seemed trustworthy.

                I do know that in the British Isles, there ended up being almost-zero pre-Aryan Y haplotypes. The Sagas tell us that the Aesir and Vanir gods made alliance and exchanged brides. In Scandinavia, there are lots of pre-Aryan Y haplotypes. In the British Isles, the legends tell us that the old gods were banished from the surface of the earth and made to live underground in the land of the dead, i.e. genocide. 95% R-haplotype.

                • ten says:

                  scandis have roughly 40/40/20% genetics from protoeuropean WHG western hunter gatherers, EHG eastern hunter gatherers and middle eastern farmers (or atlanteans, to separate them from contemporary middle easterners). The MEF mixed with the WHG making vanir, and mixed with EHG making aryans/aesir, and then the aryans mixed with the vanir.

                  Interestingly, there is no haplogroup disparity between vanir and aesir, indicating insubstantial killing men, taking women before the peace.

                  Concerning the british isles. A vast majority of present day genetics is anglosaxon ie nordic in origin, so the same pattern should be seen in anglosaxons, whereas the initi

              • i says:

                @Aidan, Jim

                Peter Frost proved that the Aryans and European related peoples were under unusually strong sexual selectiion pressure:
                https://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2012/03/puzzle-of-european-hair-and-eye-color.html

                Due to long distance hunting across the Tundra that is able to support large herds of animals. Aryans and related peoples had a pretty large population.

                And the males dis-proportionately died on those expeditions. With polygamy being limited by the exclusive male provisioning through hunting.

                This meant the female sex is under strong selection pressure and this led to various hair colors like Red, Blonde and Auburn Hair and the women are more feminine looking.

                Hence the Aryan Characteristics.

            • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

              There’s something of a catch-22 in this line of thinking; a folk that could theoretically be improved by Redsitributing the femoids of another folk, would be unlikely to prevail over that latter folk in the first place.

              • Aidan says:

                I said nothing about redistribution; I am talking about racination under harsh circumstances of natural selection.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  ‘Redistribution’ of course being a euphemism for conquest and or mate raiding (which with higher order species would usually escalate into conquest one way or another anyways).

            • i says:

              “Because I cannot throw my son in the river if he turns out like Eliot Roger, I will stick with white women.”

              Its for the surplus sons to try their luck or for the lower status males who could risk it more than the upper classes.

    • Andy says:

      In regards to Pax’s description of EA female shit testing, can confirm after years of observing the inner workings of a Taiwanese friend’s marriage to a Korean woman. Mt. Vesuvius is an apt description.

    • The Cominator says:

      Hard and direct private shit tests are easier to pass than subtle ones… at least for me.

      • jim says:

        Shit tests are never direct, except with low IQ females, and the hardest shit tests are usually subtle, the classic example being the infamous “I love you”. Which an Asian woman is almost as apt to give you as a white women.

      • Pax Imperialis says:

        By direct and aggressive I mean a multi hour interrogation (may even last days, weeks, or even years) where the woman throws at you every single possible accusation and question designed to hurt you or make you show weakness.

        Sort of think of what a diabolical lawyer could do during cross examination if there was no judge who could sustain an objection to badgering or other tricks.

        You have to dig your heels into the ground an not give an inch. You also have to adequately respond to her interrogation otherwise she knows she has interrupted your OODA loop which means you’re weak and she will smell blood. If you flat out leave and ignore she knows she has won.

        It becomes a test of the man’s stamina both psychological and intellectual.

        This isn’t low IQ, this is high intensity shit testing to such a degree and duration that you’ll definitely know you’re being shit tested even if you don’t exactly know how or why.

        This is the type of shit testing that happens after the “I love you” stage when she knows you’ll always pass that one.

        • jim says:

          > By direct and aggressive I mean a multi hour interrogation (may even last days, weeks, or even years)

          If a shit test goes on an on, you have been failing. Spanking may be needed.

          A moderate slap in the face will instantly end a stubborn shit test.

          If a woman opens her mouth when you have told her to be silent, if she sticks around you have told her to get out in the garden, you are failing.

          • Pax Imperialis says:

            The point of most shit testing by East Asian women is to determine if the man is irreconcilably stubborn, a highly desirable trait. No getting around the fact it will go on for a very long time for the woman to feel confident that the man is indeed irreconcilably stubborn.

            Arguing with the woman for long periods of time turns into a sort of foreplay. A moderate slap in the face, telling her to shut it or get out, is saying no to foreplay and no to sex which means he is losing. It also means the man doesn’t have stamina and would be shit at sex anyways.

            Major difference between White and Asian women. White women don’t want to directly argue hence they are passive aggressive, Asian women do and they sort of like it (afterwards).

            • Neurotoxin says:

              Pax Imp: “You have to dig your heels into the ground an not give an inch. You also have to adequately respond to her interrogation otherwise she knows she has interrupted your OODA loop which means you’re weak and she will smell blood. If you flat out leave and ignore she knows she has won.”

              No, your leaving does not necessarily mean you’ve lost. (Depends on details.) This quote sounds like you’re over-thinking and like you give too much of a fuck. Thus, you’re engaging too much with her female drama queen crap. I would just tell her “That’s enough.” She likely will keep going to see if you mean it, and the answer must be Yes. E.g., if she keeps bitching at you, then without a word, pick her up and put her down outside.

              “The point of most shit testing by East Asian women is to determine if the man is irreconcilably stubborn, a highly desirable trait… A moderate slap in the face, telling her to shut it or get out, is saying no to foreplay and no to sex which means he is losing.”

              Did you spot the problem here? You’re falling into her frame, letting her define what is winning and losing. At some point you should think to yourself, “I’m not putting up with this crap.” The question is not always, “Am I meeting this woman’s standards?” but “Is she meeting my standards?”

              If you’re not actually willing to walk away if her behavior gets bad enough, then you’re fucked. And not in a fun way.

              • jim says:

                Pax Imp:

                > “You have to dig your heels into the ground an not give an inch. You also have to adequately respond to her interrogation otherwise she knows she has interrupted your OODA loop which means you’re weak and she will smell blood. If you flat out leave and ignore she knows she has won.”

                I don’t think so. She is giving you a hard time. She should not be permitted to give you a hard time.

              • Pax Imperialis says:

                Been thinking about this. What’s going on is likely particular to Koreans and not other Asians, or any other racial or ethnic group I’m aware of. This is very alien to the rest of humanity.

                Koreans are psychologically incapable of walking away. 1000 plus history of permanent siege mentality is ingrained into the culture and genetics. This isn’t a question of falling into her frame because both men and women are operating in the same mindset; that it’s better to carryout a prolonged losing conflict to the bitter end than to ever admit defeat or say sorry.

                Lost a war or your political faction was purged? Flee to the hills and forests and carryout multi-generational long resistance fight. Some segments of the Japanese population are similar where IJA holdouts carried on the war decades after the end of WW2, but the Korean population as a whole is like that to an extreme. Likely the results of extreme mountainous terrain having an impact on culture and genetics.

                Just as female Korean standards are for a man who is extremely stubborn, male Korean standards are also for a woman who is extremely stubborn. Some academic literature points to the stubbornness having Taoist roots.

                @jim I wouldn’t describe the behavior as giving men a hard time, conflict sort of activates a mental state that feels normal. It also goes both ways. I’m not sure if this is shit testing or if it’s play fighting with a siege mentality. Might be a combination of both.

                A hard time would be if a woman appeals to her family’s patriarch (the nuclear option) and then it turns into a clannish conflict between the patriarchs on both sides the the family. Very rare, and destructive. Historically ends in bloodshed.

                • Neurotoxin says:

                  Don’t deal with her in her Korean frame. Make her deal with your frame.

                • Adam says:

                  Fuck her hard enough often enough and I bet these problems dissipate. Every time she acts up, toss her face down on the bed and fuck her until she loves you. It does not need to be a pleasant experience for her.

        • The Cominator says:

          Don’t you pass that by telling her shut the fuck up and if that fails engaging physically amorously at 1st, with moderate violence if not…

          I was told by someone that Han Solo handled the “I Love You” Shit Test the perfect way, Leia: I love you Han Solo: I know.

          • Pax Imperialis says:

            Pass it by arguing with her to the death and never conceding. Display your male stamina. Eventually she runs out of steam and sex ensues. Repeat for many children.

            Best way to pass the “I Love You” test if you’re driving and she is riding shotgun is to pinch her kneecap. Very funny results. Try it when you get the chance.

            • Adam says:

              Thing is, I’m not wasting my time arguing with a woman. Try yelling QUIET! at the top of your lungs, within inches of her. Or physically stop her.

              Passing shit tests is only hard because it’s illegal. It is quite easy to overpower a woman.

              • The Cominator says:

                Isn’t Pax in an Asian country (which tend to be not all that feminist) I mean a woman mouthing off and bitching should be easy to handle in a country where you need only have minimal fear of the law…

                Did you know that 75% of bitches suffer from some form of hearing loss

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxObkfSqmQM

                • Adam says:

                  Lol that video…

                  One of the most impactful things I ever read as far as the red pill on women- “The bad behavior that you allow, absolutely will continue.”

                • The Cominator says:

                  Some people here may not have seen the Boondocks because its written by and done about niggers but its actually really good and not PC at all…

                • jim says:

                  Niggers get more slack than whites, naturally. So shows written by black people get a lot more creative freedom.

                • jim says:

                  I laughed out loud when it ended.

                  Background implied in the clip (I don’t know if that background is actually direct told in the story). Sarah has been, without her husband’s knowledge and agreement, hanging out in environments where alpha males can hit on her. This is not so much an adultery risk, as a shit test, which if you fail, is going to become adultery. Are you alpha enough to exercise ownership?

                  Female reproduction is adversely affected by males unable to exercise ownership, and, though they do not know it, it is making them cranky and difficult.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Nobody gets a pass anymore, blacks could not do The Boondocks or In Living Color today.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Tom is an Obama type liberal quadroon/high yellow type married to a prog white woman (a mudshark but a more upper middle class mudshark). Kind of people I really hate but the episode is still funny.

                  Shes definitely subconsciously considering adultery because the guy shes hanging out with is a musician she likes.

    • Varna says:

      Some very interesting and important observations thanks Pax Imperialis.

      For functional hapas one needs to go to Siberia or Kazakhstan. In Russian empire times and Soviet times the eastern Slav learned how to intermarry with conquered or neighboring tribes and absorb the result into the imperial tapestry.

      https://www.infpol.ru/upload/iblock/962/962ae45192a8754ba94331b70c16c069.jpg
      (Eastern Siberia school graduation pic)

      Especially with trad non-nomadic land empires where those you conquered are not separated by oceans from you but become part of your social body tissue, you either welcome them in or destroy them utterly, and trad land empires usually try the first option unless completely provoked. New wannabie empires sometimes don’t get that.

      https://semeyainasy.media/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/whatsapp-image-2022-05-25-at-16.15.48.jpeg
      (Kazakhstan school graduation pic)

      Hence Russians can also create normal families with “foreign mongoloids” from outside Russia. With, the caveat, of course, that Russian women are the reason Russian men drink themselves to death at 50, so that’s not the highest bar in the world, but still. “Passing the shit test” there means you’re still alive and functional at 60.

      • fable says:

        Kazakh women are beautiful. Do Kazakhs have white fever?

        And the guys look more courageous, and not like any Koreans, one of the rare cases when hybridization was successful… Also, Kazakhstan has a good birth rate. Interesting…

        • Varna says:

          It is possible that white fever is abating pretty fast all across the world, except where the locals have an inferiority fetish.

          White fever is in a sense ‘status fever’ to most of former colonial places, but this ‘status fever’ is usually ‘western white fever’, whereas in central asia any white fever would be automatically ‘slav fever’ which I think they definitely don’t tend to have these days.

          What they do have is status fever (rich-looking westerner qualifies), and also the generic ‘foreign exotic guy fever’ which in this case would overlap with western guy.

          There was a time when ‘status fever’ and ‘exotic fever’ overlapped with ‘white men’, but it seems to be that these days these three sub-categories could very well become increasingly separated.

          • Frank Matters says:

            White fever is never going away, because whites are the most biologically developed race on the planet, and it shows.

            On average we have the cleverest minds, most industrial instinct, most noble spirit, most athletic and well formed bodies. I can see perhaps some argument one of those specific qualities is displayed by some other race more strongly, but none surpass us in general quality. The only competition are our Aryan cousins on the steppe and in central asia at large, and some polynesian peoples though they tend to not be as clever, and those competitors often bear strong resemblance to us in the first place.

            The only point at which white fever dissipates, is if we fail to stop the global dysgenic collapse and come to be represented at large by the ratfuckers that succeed in that evolutionary environment.

            • Kunning Drueger says:

              What damaged advancement more: female liberation or artificially suppressed infant mortality? I know they’re interrelated, but the one issue I have with your assertion is the overwhelming number of disgusting whites I’ve experienced. That could be a function of the places I’ve been, or it could be the fact that if you’re not aborted in Whitekanda, you’re basically guaranteed a shot at passing on whatever shit (or pinnacle) genetics you carry. Consider too how many who are ill equipped to survive due to stupidity or bad biological luck that survive and reproduce.

            • Pax Imperialis says:

              White fever never existed as the historical norm, it is foolish to presume that it will continue to exist perpetually. Things change all the time. Global dysgenic collapse has been accelerating but has been hitting the White populations the hardest.

              American Hollywood/media is controlled largely by Jews who hate Whites. Young Whites are increasingly consuming Japanese and Korean culture as a result. The Chinese culture is on it’s way should they survive as a state. Anime and Kpop/Kdramas sales in US are growing massively year over year. They are becoming mainstream.

              20 years ago in America it was mostly low status White males consuming anime. They were embarrassing to even look at in the open. These days I increasingly see average looking middle class single White women openly consuming that foreign Asian media. I recently talked an unmarried White woman who I noticed was wearing Korean style clothes. She was saving money to go to Korea alone and actually live there. Changes in what is considered high status are occurring.

              Elon Musk is a high status man who is openly watching anime. No one is calling him a weeb.

              I’ve traveled extensively throughout America. The sheer rot that has taken place is staggering especially in the traditional White communities. Asians are extremely aware of that. White fever along with American fever is already dissipating.

              • Anonymous says:

                “White fever along with American fever is already dissipating.”

                Do you have hard evidence for this? Because all of the data that we have as well as anecdotally both in real life and online this doesn’t seem to be the case at all. White men still get married to a huge percentage of almost every ethnic group but black women, and indeed steal way more women of every ethnic background in America than ethnic men steal of their women, with the exception of black women which are the least attractive and desired women in America. About 50% of Asian women cohabitate with white men for example, and 30% or more of Asian women marry white men.

                Not saying that this won’t change in the future but it very much has not seemed to change yet in 2022, either in hard data or anecdotally.

        • Varna says:

          Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Yakuts, and the like are Turkic mongoloids, as opposed to East-Asian or Indo-Chinese mongoloids.

          They are much less efficient than the East Asians (as bad as south-east asians), but also less docile in the primal masculinity sense. Plus the Russian and Soviet cultural superstructure is another definite layer of difference.

          Central Asians are like mixture of Turkish and Russian traits, but presented in a mongoloid physical anthropology. Slant-eyed Russian Turks in other words.

          Like you’ve got germanic whites, slavic whites, baltic whites, medeterainian whites, latino whites, chechen whites and so on, you’ve also got your different mongoloids, who may appear very similar to an outsider, but can have very different inherent traits.

          The Kazakh men will have Russian drinking habits and Turkish work ethics, while the women will combine Russian and Turkish shit-tests. However, many of them are indeed extraordinarily pretty. At least before menopause turns them into babushkas.

    • fable says:

      I know very well how women behave if they fail tests, I know too well. I don’t fail Asian tests, although I don’t make any effort to pass. Moreover, these are smart and beautiful girls from good families, and not crooked-toothed daughters of whores. If you put social class above race, the logical solution would be to mix races, since getting a beautiful Asian from the elite is many times easier than getting a beautiful European from the elite. Mixing is a problem in itself, without considering the issue of social class.

      • Aidan says:

        The primary difference between asian girls and white ones is that they will give beta males sex and love, but still ruthlessly cheat on them with alpha males. I have been the other guy too many times to ever trust an asian girl. If you are a white guy who cannot make much headway with white girls, but asian girls treat you well, then your asian girl is taking dick on the side.

    • AAron says:

      The solution with white women is spanking.

      Strong men are often too busy to do it, properly, because takes time and, more importantly, emotional energy.

      Weak men are afraid to do it.

      But not doing it is emotional abuse.

      A formal, private, extended, bare-bottom spanking is what white women need. On the regular.

    • DavyCrockett says:

      Asian immigrants are mostly/largely only low class relative to the American class system, they tend to be at least about average or at about the median citizen in their home countries, and tend to be at least a little bit above average or above the median citizen. They’re only on average low class in the sense that the overwhelming majority of Asians are low class.

  21. The Ducking Man says:

    What are you guys’ thought on priest invasion in modern corporate america?

    Being a banker myself even I am loathsome against majority of corporate priest. The type of people whose mantra is “not documented not done” or “reality be damned, where is my paper?”.

    I’m on the opinion that priest should be kept to minimum. Priest job is pretty easy, building up consensus between corporate members to complete task set out by our bosses. Like a lubricating oil between moving instruments.

    Easy peasy, I priest $50 million/year department working 20 hours/week while also being the most valued staff in the company.

    So if the job so easy, why there are so much priestly job on the market?

    I honestly don’t know.

    But I do know that finding good priest is mighty hard. There are lots of capable account/bankers, but the kind of accountant/banker who can prosper consensus and cares more about reality is rarer than diamond.

    IMO requiring university degree just to get a door in corporate is very big mistake. Very small % of people have the aptitude to be a priest. I would prefer big chunk of people in corporate to STFU do their job and let the priest do the talking.

    • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

      > So if the job so easy, why there are so much priestly job on the market?

      Who doesn’t like the idea of high status and low expectations?

      A rather small number, that is.

      Everyone wants to be an Ideas Guy, a go-between, a facilitator, an advisor, a consultant.

      In broad terms, a great deal of organizational entropy over time can be boiled down to attempted strategies by people to decouple responsibility from power, and power from responsibility.

      • The Ducking Man says:

        >Who doesn’t like the idea of high status and low expectations?

        But the reality that I perceive in my job is it’s low status and high expectations.

        Sure my salary is a lot higher than my peers but people never see me the big boss. I’m just people consult and listen to when department try to move forward with something.

        This is job is easy FOR ME, but I had guys with more accolade than me can barely do my job. Real story a guy got fired trying to do my job because he made small mistake.

        Perhaps the easy-fix for this entropy to tell people straight out that they are not expected be the “Ideas Guy, a go-between, a facilitator, an advisor, a consultant”. STFU do your task and go home.

  22. Whitey says:

    Everybody take it easy on The Cominator. We don’t need him wasting time making small talk with normies. He has wood chippers to maintain.

    • The Cominator says:

      Lol…

    • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

      Based. Stay frosty king.

    • Kunning Drueger says:

      It’s fascinating watching yourself be overtaken in the pecking order and not feeling salty about it. Topkek, well done, and can I shine your shoes for you, m’lord?

      • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

        It’s ore like subtly validating Final Solutions to your Defector Questions.

        In Minecraft, of course.

  23. Kunning Druegger says:

    Here’s a bunch of Zeihan maps from one of his books:

    https://zeihan.com/the-accidental-superpower-maps/

    Interesting stuff, might be useful to someone here.

    • Pax Imperialis says:

      I’ve noticed is that Zeihan, who mostly speaks to farmers and on occasion military, is talking about the potential for a war in Mexico.

      The NPR types have also talked about using the military to deal with the cartel problem.

      Zeihan and NPR talks to extremely different demographics, but both are drifting in the same direction. That does not bode well for the future…

      Forever war 2.0: Cartel edition here we come!

      • Kunning Drueger says:

        I submitted a plan for something like that in an IR class discussion assignment. I proposed that we give Mexico ~72 hours before we go to war with the Cartels. Decapitation strike, then Moldbug style Iran Approach, no BS colonialism on a terminal time table.

        In reality, GAE going into Mexico would be a literal Russian Afghanistan Decision. There’re many ways to attempt a proper temporary colonization after a vicious assault on defined targets, but there’s no way the General Austin School of Military Management would figure out a single one of them.

        Imagine a Sepoy Rebellion type moment and, after a long year of some successes and many mistakes, the southwest runs red with Anglo blood. Texas would be a nightmare, spic on Spicxas on white on LEO on Feds, thousands of Harry Homeowner squads just hitting everything but what they aim at. The urban blacks would start attacking on sight, just whoever or whatever happens to be near them. Thin Blue Line America is divided, as usual, and does nothing, as usual Communities would start redefining local security and the results would be a patchwork of semi-constrained mobile banditry and dynamically located stabile banditry. It would be the night of a thousand CHOPs as well in regards to outright insurrection. The feds would attempt to hold onto everything and collapse, balkanize and form districts, or withdraw to a tenable geographic position. There’d be ANTIFA zones springing up in every city, and they’d just latch onto whichever minority gang will have them, bringing network potential to isolated instances and potential support. At some point, a major city would get nuked, accidentally or on purpose. Then the Chinese would come.

        I know this is all quite fanciful, but it is probably in par with the actual terrible things that would occur due to the incompetence stretching through the whole of government. I think something this dumb won’t be attempted until the Octogenarian Liberal Class fully exits the scene. If it does happen, the timeline is potentially accelerated to a substantial degree.

    • S says:

      ‘China hemmed in’ is out of date.

      Philippines is pro-China
      Russia is pro-China
      Burma is pro-China
      Laos is pro-China
      Mongolia is pro-China

      • Pax Imperialis says:

        None of those nations provide the markets China needs to sustain itself. China needs to deal with the Indonesia/India/Australia/Taiwan questions.

        Rerouting Russian oil industry to China will be hard and take decades due to geographical constraints.

        ‘China hemmed in’ idea comes from the American perspective which has never had to deal with such constraints. As such, the idea is still relatively true.

        • S says:

          The map has 4 icons on it

          -formal us allies
          -informal us allies
          -strategic competitors (for some reason China, Russia and North Korea are all in this category)
          -major ports

          It is presumably about sea access. My point is China has 3 avenues that have opened up since 2014 when the map was made.

          That said the important country is Indonesia since you can’t really sail around it to reach Chinese ports.

          • Pax Imperialis says:

            Anyone that has nuclear weapons and ICBMs naturally fall into a prisoner’s dilemma with other nuclear powers. China, Russia, and potentially North Korea, will always be existential threats so long as nuclear war is a possibility. Thus they are strategic competitors.

            Australia is also extremely important. Massive sub fleet and their anti ship missile range covers all shipping lanes China uses. Not to mention massive NSA SIGINT operation.

            India is also a problem for China due to their presence in the Indian Ocean. Chinese shipping ultimately wants to reach Middle Eastern oil and European markets and African resources. That’s a long shipping lane full of attack avenues.

            My point, and Zeihan’s point is that those avenues are still tightly closed to the Chinese. Unless they figure out how to open them completely at every point along the way, they will need to prepare to move everything over land which has its own set of problems.

            Philippines is pro-China and pro-American, they’ve been playing both sides. Same with the Vietnamese. Conflict over the South Chinese Sea is involving all parties in the are against each other.

            • jim says:

              With modern weapons there is no way any power, including America, can keep the seas open unless the other powers agree to it. If you close the seas to a power with advanced long range anti ship weapons, it might close the seas to you.

              America does not seem to realize this.

              Australia is a significant airsea power. It would be wise for Putin to retaliate against Australia for America closing the seas to Russia before he closes the seas to America. Similarly China if America closes the seas to China in response to China blockading or invading Taiwan.

              If Australia participates in US sanctions on China after the Taiwan crisis explodes, denying the seas to Australia would be appropriate.

  24. Kunning Druegger says:

    St. John writes:

    “Sovereignty in the context of demotism must necessarily operate through pretext. In particular here, is the ‘permitted catastrophe’. Catastrophes happen, or are allowed to happen, or if necessary or when necessary or when convenient, are made to happen. The purpose of a catastrophe is the catastrophe itself; with any and all catastrophes ventured to be used as pretext for the expansion, cementation, and utilization of power. Not just in terms of legalism, but also in terms of personnel; and not just in terms of personnel, but also in terms of behavioral conditioning. A more stressed test group is a more suggestible test group. Strategic use of stressors are utilized to channel consensus away from straying and further down desired roads.

    This is the knife edge that the 20th century political order – which we as of yet are still living under – is predicated on dancing upon. The meta-normality of a never ending string of ‘extra ordinary circumstances’ requiring ’emergency powers’ to deal with, ‘just this one time’, or ‘just for this particular issue’. Every other brick the permanent bureaucracy was built with is the bones of a ‘temporary measure’.”

    Exceptionally well put, in my opinion. It encapsulates the Way and the Why and even the How to a profound degree. Stealing from him and the Losing the War piece, I think we are living under a regime constructed by FDRism and animated by The War Effort. Credit where credit is due, the continued Wilson’s efforts and have accomplished much of what they set out to do… terribly evil and disgusting, but rather successful.

    And now they are passing from the stage, handing off their empire to Madison with her MFA and Shaneekwa with her SMG. Undoubtedly, things are going to fall apart. If/when we actually break free from this cocoon and get a chance to order things, we should endeavor to present a Return to Normalcy. This is not a snake oil, nostalgia laced lie about getting back to the good old days. Rather, we should develop and employ policies and procedures that identify and honor the States of Society; State of War, State of Expansion, etc. The Culturally Marxist Wilsonian-Rooseveltian permanent bureaucracy chimera makes its case and retains its position by creating “a never ending string of ‘extra ordinary circumstances’ requiring ’emergency powers’ to deal with, ‘just this one time’, or ‘just for this particular issue,’” and we should provide an alternative, an approach to manipulation and management of society (where it is needed) that has honesty built into it. The King doesn’t have to explain himself, but if he does, he shouldn’t have to lie to get his way.

    • Ghost says:

      Exactly. They create, or allow the catastrophe, then put themselves and their agenda forward as the solution. We saw this with 9/11 and the Patriot Act to Beto proselytizing gun control. All these agendas are just sitting on the shelf awaiting use.

      And it’s always give us control of your life and we will make you safe. No! They cannot make you safe. You must take responsibility for your own security.

  25. AnonTR says:

    This is old news from December last year 2021
    Clearly the MSM clammed on it

    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/12/07/national-guard-stuck-middle-of-political-infighting-and-its-getting-worse.html

    TLDR
    Oklahoma, Texas and South Dakota governors went rogue

    In Oklahoma
    Brigadier General Thomas Mancino 45th Infantry Brigade Commander, Oklahoma Army National Guard refused standing order from Biden to enforce Vaccine mandate on troops. He was backed by gov Stitt
    of course the article is filled with the usual msm BS to cover the fact that the order was not followed.
    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/12/10/oklahoma-guard-leader-tells-vaccine-refusers-prepare-career-ending-federal-action.html

    in Texas Gov send the Guard to the borders.
    “Texas’ governor call up the Guard with minimal notice and, according to some sources, failing to tell Guard leadership in the Pentagon how many troops were being deployed.”

    also in South Dakota
    “South Dakota, a state that is bordered only by other American states, the governor took private funds from a major donor to Republican politicians to pay for a state Guard deployment to the border with Mexico, rebuking the Biden administration over border policy in the process.”

    There is clearly an attempt to assert Governors authority over federal troops
    with the consent from the pentagon.

    • Kunning Druegger says:

      Sometimes a critical domino topples silently, I guess. I wonder what DoD changed in its response to this? I wonder what we’re going to do when Governor Nome makes a bid for Separation. That’d be a really uncomfortable catch-22 for Jimian Christians.

  26. fable says:

    Jim has written before that women’s tests are brutal and difficult and when we talk about women in the US/Europe, this is true. But for some reason, in Asia, I don’t feel, even wealthy Asia, that women are constantly testing and checking me. If they do, I just don’t notice it, these tests are completely worthless. I just talk to women, watch them smile at me, “accidentally” touch me, laugh when they hear my stupid jokes. And I don’t even have to play the role of an asshole. The blue pill advice “just be yourself” works!

    If I didn’t want to have a family / didn’t see how the hafu males whine on forchan, I would have settled in Asia long ago and would have forgotten about the west as a nightmare.

    • rimmard says:

      I’ve noticed that Asian women actually react negatively to asshole game and positively to rational conversation.

      A whole new frame.

      OTOH if you want a relationship they will drop you the instant they realize you are lower in social class than them.

      Have hafus and keep them in Asia where they tend to become movie stars etc. rather than bitter losers.

      • jim says:

        This appears to me to be a wildly optimistic account of Asian women.

        Yes, shit tests less brutal.

        Still brutal.

        We are always on stage, there is no rest for men. Easier in Asia, but it was mighty tough for me everywhere.

        I applied asshole game everywhere, rational conversation everywhere, and betabucks game everywhere.

        Treating women as rational beings gets you shot down in flames everywhere, beta bucks gets you brutally burned everywhere. Being an asshole works everywhere.

        The differences between countries are significant. Asian women are more accessible to reason. But it really doesn’t matter much. You will get a lot further interacting with an Asian woman as rational being than interacting with a white woman as a rational being, but in the end her pussy will decide.

        • Adam says:

          I completely agree. The response “go fuck yourself” sounds juvenile and manipulative but works quite well. On an emotional level, when a woman attempts to take power over you, or herself, becoming hostile is an appropriate response.

          If you have taken her, she is yours. Any attempt by her to act independent of you is an attack on your property. By any means you are justified in defending what is yours.

          Personally what I find exhausting is American women absolutely love drama. They don’t need safety, or comfort, or validation (they have quite enough already). The seek the emotional rollercoaster of on-again off-again perpetual relationship drama. They are feels addicts forever chasing the high of being captured by an alpha male. When they are in a stable relationship with an alpha male, they will do what it takes to provoke you to re-capture them. The seek the ecstasy of being fucked with recklessly abandon by the apex predator.

          • The Cominator says:

            And if you’re a sperg they are just (at least since around 2012 or so) just not worth dealing with at all…

            • jim says:

              Being a sperg is one hundred percent curable. Smart people are only spergs for the same reason as testosterone is collapsing. You are a sperg because you think you are a sperg, and men are losing testosterone and sperm production because they think they are not masculine.

              You probably cannot talk to normies, and this disability confirms in your mind that are a sperg. All smarties have trouble talking to normies. It is an acquired skill.

              Talking to normies is like talking to children and dogs. Learn to talk to normies. It is an acquired skill that is not easy to acquire, and is a key part of my miraculous ability to talk to cops (I do not recommend talking to cops. That is advanced class in talking to normies.)

              Being an actual sperg is strongly negatively correlated with intelligence. Sperg is just a demonization of smart people, as psychopath is just a demonization of manly courage. You have internalized the enemy’s demonization of you.

              • The Cominator says:

                Spergishness is real enough Jim… And it was infinitely easier to talk to normies back when all popular culture didn’t suck (Game of Thrones was sort of the last thing I could talk to normies about) and I could quote the Simpsons (I was downright popular back in highschool when everyone watched the Simpsons) and do voices from comedies that were actually funny.

                I cannot make polite small talk about trivialities and cannot understand how people can do that, nor can I stand any talk of ball sports and such (MMA and boxing yes those are actually fun to watch)…

                • Ghost says:

                  Small talk is easy enough to learn. Go to the bar, drink a couple beers, shoot a few games of pool, talk about the weather, fishing, hunting, etc… Try not to play edge lord.

                  Try it a few weekends. You’ll get the hang of it.

                • Adam says:

                  You can you are just unwilling. Get over yourself. Nobody talks about the truth. Nobody wants to hear it. You don’t have to be an enabler, just listen and be positive and focus on the feelings. People will tell you all kinds of things when you listen, that they would never tell you if you asked. There is power there.

                  Learn to bullshit. You don’t need to deceive anyone, just accept they are not you, and be ok with that, and try add something positive. Joke around about the normal grind of life.

                • The Cominator says:

                  I used to be able to do it through being able to do references and imitations… but in clownworld no good stuff anymore (another reason Not into fishing or hunting… i go out all the time but conversation is more difficult now…

                • Milosevic says:

                  Stop making excuses, just admit you are a useless faggot who’s unwilling to have a go and move on.

                • jim says:

                  Nah, pretty sure he is not a useless faggot unless he chooses to be.

                  The Cominator should work on talking to mostly male normies. When he has that down pat, get together with a buddy or, better, two, and try an international tourist hot spot. The most alpha male in the group then takes the lead in breaking into a group of chicks, with the rest wingmanning. Alpha male of the group distributes the excess to his buddies.

                  When chicks go to be picked up, they do not go where you go to pickup chicks, the nearest bar or nightclub. They travel four hundred miles or so, and the further the distance, the higher the proportion of chicks waiting for a pickup. They tend be in small groups, and solo approach will get your balls frozen off.

                • The Cominator says:

                  At making small talk about normie banalities i am indeed a useless faggot and its not like im a shut in or havent tried but the whole idea is alien to me…

                • Pooch says:

                  The most alpha male in the group then takes the lead in breaking into a group of chicks, with the rest wingmanning. Alpha male of the group distributes the excess to his buddies.

                  The problem I always had with this is that my beta buddies would prevent me from isolating my target (who would be the hottest girl of the female group) by engaging her as well after my lead. Was rather annoying and would often hinder me more than if I was just solo.

                  Needs to be well understood beforehand that they don’t go after your chick, but if the other chicks are not sufficiently hot enough they won’t be motivated to help you unless they are a true friend.

                • jim says:

                  > my beta buddies would prevent me from isolating my target

                  Then they were not treating the guy leading the break in to the group as the alpha male of the group, which is very bad tactics both for them and for that male.

                  Female alpha radar can spot this kind of thing from ten thousand feet. It is going to spoil the pickup for everyone involved. Breaking into a group should be followed in due course by the alpha male assigning female isolation both for himself and his buddies. Which, if you are the leader of the group means your buddies get isolation with a chick first. If you want to isolate first and leave them high and dry, they will instinctively get difficult.

                  The alpha male should take care of his loyal retainers, and his loyal retainers should expect to be taken care of. Again, female alpha radar can spot this from ten thousand feet. Before the group goes in, should agree on the division of the spoils. Don’t discuss it front of the spoils. It would reveal the illusion. If you cannot agree in advance, draw straws or play rock-paper-scissors. If there is any disagreement about who gets the hottie, you are all going down in flames. And, for the non hotties to cooperate in the capture, it should look like they are all targets, even if some of the boys have no intention of following through. The non target chicks are going to cockblock.

                  The mating dance is best understood viewed through the lens that for at least four million years, getting wife raided by the strongest tribe around was the best female reproductive strategy.

                • jim says:

                  > I cannot make polite small talk about trivialities and cannot understand how people can do that.

                  I continue to suck terribly at that, for the reasons that you list. I don’t find it matters that much. Weather, fishing, and stuff like that works. Everyone likes to talk about themselves, everyone has interesting stories. Draw them out and let them roll. Where do they come from, what are their family connections that might be around here, what do they do for a living, how is their health going, their travels.

                • Pooch says:

                  Which, if you are the leader of the group means your buddies get isolation with a chick first. If you want to isolate first and leave them high and dry, they will instinctively get difficult.

                  Ah yes this is precisely where I fouled up.

                  Not understanding the ancient wife raiding dynamics at play, I just assumed my buddies would follow my example and talk to the other chicks spontaneously following my example of talking to my chick and it never ended up working out like that. Many times the whole pick up would go down in flames because of this foul up.

                • Redbible says:

                  @Jim

                  How should an alpha male and his loyal retainers “Divide the Spoils” once they are engaging the group of women? Should it be as overt as the alpha male telling a woman “You go with him”? Should it me more covert, where each man works on his target, and nothing directly is said?

                  Obviously the men need to be overt with each other in private (when the women aren’t around), and be covert about it once with the women.

                • jim says:

                  Your group joins their group. Now you want to break up the group into pairs, isolate each target. The strong tribe, in female perception, has an alpha male and an agreed hierarchy, even if in reality is not strong and does not. When a strong group separates, it does so by agreement – an agreement in which the leader pays attention to the wants of his followers, but makes the decision in the end. It is not a random bunch of people who happened to be in the same place at the same time, it acts in unity. So, target isolation has to be done in unity.

                  Part of the destructive effect of women in the workplace is that they do not just forever probe members of the hierarchy to test males status position, they also probe the hierarchy for cracks. If what the leader leads will not act in unity, then it is a weak group with a weak leader. Women get the hots for men marching in formation, or dancing as a unit. The strong tribe acts as one, without need to debate its actions. Hence groupies are apt to bang roadies.

                  “Lets you and him fight” is done primarily to see which gets to decide, whose will will stand, but it also done to see if the male hierarchy can act with one will. If it winds up acting with two conflicting wills, neither of the males impresses. If one will, both impress, the one whose will prevails impressing considerably more, but the one whose will does not prevail loses status in female eyes less than if neither will prevails. If he and the leader are still one, if the leader is loyal to him, and he to the leader, he is still reasonably cool.

                  When your group attempts to socially isolate the targets, their group is going to attempt to initiate conflict within your group. It is an inevitable and predictable shit test. If it succeeds, you lose. When your group attempts social isolation, which it should do as one, they are going to attempt to initiate conflict within your group. You are unlikely to succeed in social isolation unless acting as one.

                  Similarly, packs of male dolphins impressing females with formation swimming. The acts of the strong tribe, social isolation of targets among those acts, needs to be done in union, and with minimal debate.

                  It may well be that the real target of the pickup group is one girl for one man, the other girls are just obstacles who can be expected to cockblock, and the group is acquiring the one girl for that one man. Obviously that one man needs to be alpha male of the group for the day, and if the other girls realize they are merely obstacles who are going to lose one of their group, they are going to cockblock. But even if they are in reality happy with the social isolation, they are still going to attempt to initiate conflict within your group over it. They not only want to see if the alpha male of the group is the alpha male of the group, they also want to see if the group is the strong tribe.

                  In the ancestral environment, there were few trees to climb, and the reason that individual members of the group did not get eaten by lions, but rather took the lions’ kill away from them, was that the group could better act as one than the lions.

                  Chimps practice hunting and war, and perform the peaceful vegetarian role merely to the extent convenient and necessary. Humans arose from a group of chimplike creatures, or the common ancestor of chimp and gorilla which resembled a chimp more than a gorilla, because their social cohesion enabled them to stand off lions, so they could wander off from the trees to get the meat on the savanna. The mating dance reflects the reproduction strategy of getting wife raided by the strong tribe, and strong tribe is not some random bunch of individuals that happen to be passing each other.

                  So if the strong tribe splits up temporarily, it does so as one, and with the intent and expectation of rejoining.

              • Cloudswrest says:

                Edward Teller on John von Neumann

                von Neumann would carry on a conversation with my 3-year-old son, and the two of them would talk as equals, and I sometimes wondered if he used the same principle when he talked to the rest of us.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Lol…

                • Adam says:

                  This is what you want to do. You want to treat the people above you, next to you, and below you exactly the same.

                  People love that and they want that person to succeed, and will favor them.

              • Varna says:

                Learning generic b.s. smalltalk and minuscule power games is a skill which can be learned surprisingly fast by any smart man, if the desire is focused.

                Literally you are an awkward alien that provokes wildly unexpected reactions at first, and a fortnight later you’re in compete control, if you just apply a bit of patience, smarts, and willpower.

                • Neurotoxin says:

                  “you are an awkward alien that provokes wildly unexpected reactions at first, and a fortnight later you’re in compete control, if you just apply a bit of patience, smarts, and willpower.”

                  Yes, this.

                • Neurotoxin says:

                  It’s also helped by the fact that most people aren’t purposeful about learning social skills. Those of us who are reasonably bright and who get hard-core about learning it get very good very fast, compared to normies. At least that was my experience.

                • jim says:

                  Same here.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Ive really tried and am better than i used to be… but seem to have hit a plateau.

                • Milosevic says:

                  Yeah the best thing to do when hitting a plateau is to just give up.

                • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

                  Well, Com, when you hit a plateau, you adapt your training. “I hit a plateau,” is not a winning attitude. I did it, so you can too.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Well wulfgar i dont mean this as a putdown though i don’t know how not to make it sound insulting but have you fucked a girl yet… i mean because i have and no not all of them were strippers. I really don’t mean this as a put down but if you haven’t yet i would question the idea you haven’t hit a plateau.

                • Milosevic says:

                  Stop acting like a faggot. You’re being bullied by your peers because you’re acting like a faggot. Everything is within your power to change. Your constant excuses are gay, and you should be thrown off a building,

                • Adam says:

                  One of the more self destructive habits that people have, that is very hard to detect and break, is trying to control how you look. Nobody likes to look stupid, and in trying to avoid looking stupid while doing something you pay attention to what you look like, instead of what you are doing, ensuring that yes indeed you look stupid.

                  You cannot focus on your image of yourself and what you are doing simultaneously. Trying to do so results in exactly the kind of fidgety, nervous, hyper-self conscious behavior that most label as sperg behavior.

                  Forget about how you look. Overcome the fear of looking stupid. It is irrelevant. If you do look stupid, accept it and laugh it off and try again. Every conversation or approach is just practice for the next one. It does not matter.

                  Focusing on your self image and how you look is a product of self-obsession. Self obsession is a product of a whole host of things, but mostly scarcity, and it is not attractive in the least.

              • Frank Matters says:

                There is a neurological component that is not surmountable. The way you move, your eye contact, the ability to mirror body language, and probably much more, these things cannot truly be made fully normal.

                Watch the way someone like Vitalik Buterin moves and talks. This is a man that has very high status in his circle, and frequents public events where he speaks to many people in both small groups and crowds. He is never going to be completely normal, always a bit off to communicate with in person.

                I can see in video recording of myself, this strange stiffness in my motions, and my eye contact is noticeably off.

                • Frank Matters says:

                  (misclicked submit, contd)

                  These are things I actively work on, and I have gotten much better at least in maintaining postures that put others at ease around me. I’ve also learned the art of conversation, after much practice, and find it easy to talk with most. This still doesn’t make me normal, or charismatic except in an alien way.

                  Most people treat me as, not an outsider exactly, not really an alien, but definitely I do not get regarded as an ordinary human being. There’s like an aura about me that changes people’s normal personality when they focus on and interact with me; the social rules seem to change, the status hierarchy becomes warped.

                  I don’t think these traits hold me back, because I never wanted to be a charismatic demagogue or something, but it does change by necessity the sort of life paths available to me. The sorts of people I can meaningfully get along with.

                • jim says:

                  > This still doesn’t make me normal, or charismatic except in an alien way.

                  My charisma was alien and artificial for a very long time. Then it became part of the real me. I made the performance the truth.

                  Getting your dick wet and being willing to use lethal violence appropriately when circumstances make it right also helps a great deal with charisma. Having God behind you and Christ inside you also helps. Paladin combo.

                  Smarties will never pass as normal to normies, but normies do not expect charismatic high status males to be normal.

                • Aidan says:

                  Stiffness in motion, lack of eye contact, these are indicators of fear and low status. Smart men are not properly socialized to speak over the IQ gap these days either.

                  I recall that once I hit middle school, despite being an outgoing and confident child, it was like I woke up one day and found myself unable to hold a conversation with my peers. My brain had just zoomed ahead. That was rough, but I kept the confidence, and in high school, I was quite dangerous and I acted like it. Eventually I learned to talk to normies again.

                • jim says:

                  > Stiffness in motion, lack of eye contact, these are indicators of fear and low status.

                  Internalized low status. Catastrophically disastrous in picking up chicks. If men can assess a woman’s fertility status in three seconds at thirty paces, woman can detect internalized status in thirty seconds at thirty paces, though they can pick up subtleties in male on male interaction invisible to men in one second at thirty paces.

                  Curable.

                  Chances are, the people who assigned one low status are hostile enemies – HR or educationists. If one perceives them as enemy outsiders, the assignment will not work.

                  But if it is cute girls who assigned you low status, a widespread problem, then of course perceiving cute girls as enemies is self destructive and foolish. But if you don’t really perceive women as people in the same way that men are people, then the assignment will not take either.

                  A healthy corrective is to use the word “men”, rather than “people”. Always check yourself and ask if, in this context, the “people” you are referring to are normally or normatively are male. The use of gender neutral language is self emasculating. Always use gendered language where it arguably better conforms to reality.

                • Frank Matters says:

                  I couldn’t prove it to you either way, not without doxxing myself, but it is different. If I come across a video of someone else with similar traits, I will share and you can assess.

                  It’s some strangeness to the way my nervous system fires. The motions are not reserved, but awkward in a strange way. I have met the actual retarded sort of autistic, and it’s unfortunately similar. When I lapse in awareness of body, I am prone to rocking motions and other tics of the sort. My eye contact is not demure, I dont have a problem with staring, and thats the problem in itself. I have to consciously gauge the emotion of the person Im interacting with, there is very little instinct for too much or too little. I can see the difference when watching other people interact, but I only have first person perspective myself which makes imitation more difficult.

                  Accusations of low status will not be tolerated, and if you continue I will challenge you to mortal combat, and let God decide our status.

                • Joe says:

                  normies do not expect charismatic high status males to be normal

                  That’s a relief.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  Of course some people are just naturally more or less given to certain conditions.

                  Something else it would be relevant to note though, if that 50% of all men and women in America are deficient in magnesium, which is comorbid with tension, muscle tics, and nervous mania.

                  Ascorbates, iodine, lithium, magnesium, cholesterol, saturated fats and omega 3 oils; there are many aspects of nutrition vital to good CNS function, that folk all so often happen to have inadequate sources of.

                • Varna says:

                  >I have to consciously gauge the emotion of the person Im interacting with, there is very little instinct for too much or too little.

                  Yup, it’s a bitch when you’re very young, but the older you get, the richer the accumulated cognitive buffer that compensates. After a point, the experience stored in the brain starts reacting in real time as a 90% equivalent of instinct. Even at times better because normie instinct is blind.

                  The remaining 10% is when something unexpected happens, or a guy is tired or distracted, etc, and the brain machine can’t compensate the lack of normie instinct in time.

                  This can be fixed by changing little habits and training oneself to react automatically whenever there’s a lapse in the brain machine, in order to be carried over on cruise control across this lapse.

                  Automatic tricks examples

                  a) When surprised by anything, square your shoulders, inhale slowly, and smile slowly. Or go loose, totally relaxed, with two fists softly bumping each other. Two options which can serve basically anywhere and be interpreted in any way depending on how the other parties want to interpret it.

                  b) When forced to speak without being ready to speak, learn a few opening generic opening sentences, which will bridge the brain lapse before the brain kicks in.

                  c) Channel the basic form of any tick into a character trait. Self patting or tapping or rubbing can easily be given just a smidgeon of a system and becomes basic Tai Chi. Rocking motions or restless legs can become “manifestations of an inner rhythm” especially if you’re with say a Jazz t-shirt or something. Facial ticks can also be molded into 2-3 basic expressions.

                  People will accept at face value what you show and how you subtly evaluate what you show. Even people who know a guy since forever will adapt fast, with just a few initial attempts to derail the change.

                  P.S. Practice different type of gazes in the mirror, combining what is seeing with what is felt internally at the same time. A warm friendly gaze is an amazing thing to master, as is the confident cold hostile stare. A mildly playful skeptical gaze in between can add great nuance.

                  P.P.S. Classic pulp books by say Dashiell Hammett or Spillane or Ian Fleming are a gold mine of additional basic social data to be internalized. Ross Macdonald. John D Macdonald. Raymond Chandler.

                • Aidan says:

                  Yes, there is also the question of neurological deficiency. PC notes nutrition, but lifting heavy will also overhaul your nervous system.

                • Cloudswrest says:

                  As far as nutrients go, be on the lookout for Iron. Too much is bad for you, especially for middle aged men. It prematurely ages you. Humans have no active way of eliminating Iron, just a small daily sink for men, and a larger monthly sink for fertile age women. Regulation is monopolar. Dietary absorption is reduced (usually) when blood levels are saturated. The main problem is the GAE mandatorily fortifies all grains, including corn and rice, with Iron, allegedly to protect women. The problem is even worse for white men (and post menopausal white women) who are homozygous for hemochromatosis. This is what took out Hemingway. Doctors blame it on alcohol.
                  https://www.celticcurse.org/2016/01/hemingway-death-and-hemochromatosis.html

                  See also Dennis Mangan’s book “Dumping Iron”.

              • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                https://archive.ph/9hwqY

                ” Why do geeks exhibit such relentlessly bad taste in everything? From liking Star Trek to jacking off to Japanese cartoon porn, the geek is reliably driven towards the awful, the retarded, the stupefyingly drivelous. The geek aesthetic appears to be an anti-style–a hostility to beauty, poetry, elegance, etc.

                ” I should establish some definitions, i.e. the social taxonomy that harbors geeks. To start with, it would be incorrect to class all people as geeks merely because they share certain interests or occupations. For example it is possible to be proficient in a technical field, such as computer programming, without being a geek. The tip-off of the geek is not the proficiency, but the mental imbalance that the proficiency feeds from. In a world without computers, the geek would not rise within another vocation, he would instead settle to the bottom of the sediment as a file clerk or other drone whose primary skill is the ability to tolerate mind-numbingly unvarying activity. His proficiency is like that of the idiot savant or autistic genius, albeit less impressive.

                ” The mental imbalance is most readily seen in the geek’s masturbatory obsessions. Having no sense of perspective and lacking a personality, the geek attempts to kill two stones with one bird and form a personality around fanatical involvement in an arbitrary pastime. This pastime could involve watching Japanese cartoons, reading fantasy novels, playing video games, or literally just masturbating a lot. The pastime itself is not so significant and has only two universal attributes: that it not require physical prowess, and that it be impossible to distinguish between enjoying the pastime and not enjoying it.

                ” For example, when the geek talks about his pastime he will almost never be able to list the things about it that he likes or dislikes. What he will do instead is describe the pastime’s details. The things he claims to like are not the product of subjective awareness but simply the observable characteristics of the pastime.

                ” Note: Of course some people aren’t very articulate. If you ask a football spectator what he likes about the sport, he may well respond with, “It’s exciting,” or something like that, and this is very similar to the quality of response a geek will give about playing Magic: the Gathering. When pressed for more they can go no further than describing their pastimes; they do not even know why they enjoy them.

                ” But there is one crucial difference even here between a thoughtless person and a geek. The thoughtless person will still be capable of discrimination, the geek utterly and hopelessly incapable. The football spectator from my example will enjoy watching particular teams play, and perhaps follow the league to a lesser degree. The geek would follow the entire league, the farm teams, stadium football, college football, fantasy football, and leagues and teams he makes up in loose leaf notebooks. He would subscribe to several football periodicals and have a library of videotaped games. Except of course the geek would not do this with football, he would do this with the literary oeuvre of J.R.R. Tolkien.

                ” Take literature. It is possible to enjoy a work of genre fiction, but the hallmark of the geek is to enjoy only works of genre fiction. Especially when the genre involves elves and muscular lizardmen with laser guns. One could probably go on at length about what makes fantasy and science fiction inferior genres, but to save time their main weakness is that they require no knowledge of any real subject in order to pull off. No homework, in other words, that would involve broadening the reader’s horizon or depicting something the reader could not readily make up on his own. Although fantasy novels often take place in a medieval-like setting, it is a completely contrived, ignorant, preposterous medieval-like setting, with no historical analog and very little internal consistency.

                ” Note: There are exceptions. Tolkien drew a moderate amount from actual scholarship, or at least fantasy scholarship, but made up for it by inventing languages and back stories and imaginary cultures that require a lifetime of study in order to fully appreciate, thus feeding into the geek’s zero-perspective fascination.

                ” Where the geek becomes truly disturbing is in matters of visual aesthetics. His personal appearance, of course, is often weird, repellent, unnerving. When allowed to dress himself the results betray a lack of understanding of his own appearance. Is he fat, bald, dough-faced? You can bet that these qualities will be horrifically exaggerated by his choices in grooming and apparel.

                ” His preferred decor is that of cheap crap–plastic computer cases in the shape of dragon heads, garish poster illustrations of fantasy settings, mismatched discount furniture, etc. It has the same make-do tackiness that is imposed on teenagers still living at home or people earning the minimum wage. But the geek never gives it up; if he makes a comfortable living, he just buys a nicer place in the suburbs and crams all his cheap crap into it.

                ” Worst of all, the geek, despite cutting such a shabby figure, is very self-impressed. He is the first to denigrate other professions, which he assumes require the same slack application and shallow talents as his own does, and the first to denigrate others within his own profession, especially if they threaten his tenuous social standing within his geek circle.

                ” Some questions remain. How do they mate? Is the geek the product of genetic mutation or inherited defect? Politically, is there any viable solution to the geek? I do not seriously entertain the idea of a geek Holocaust–it’s far too early for that expensive and complicated measure. But if geeks were provided with free blow-up dolls in the shape of young Japanese schoolgirls or anthropomorphic squirrels, would they then lose interest in procreation?

                ” Of course this assumes that geek traits come about through a quirk of natural selection. It’s just as likely that radioactive meteorite, some form of undetected childhood illness, or the drinking of ditch water by pregnant women have played a role.

                ” Whatever the case, we can all agree that the geek is an unpleasant and unsightly blight on contemporary society.”

                The basic essence of spergishness is a nominalistic insensitivity to what is more or less essential; the mode of thought that says ‘kill all whites for existing’, and the mode of thought that says ‘not all [x] are like that’, is the same mode of thought. Many frequently observed comorbidities, such as muted disgust reflex, or ambivalence of taste, are downstream epiphenomena thereof.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  https://radishmag.wordpress.com/2014/09/22/reign-of-reason/

                  Such are our Jacobins, born out of social decomposition like mushrooms out of compost. Let us consider their inner organization, for they have one as formerly the Puritans; we have only to follow their dogma down to its depths, as with a sounding-line, to reach the psychological stratum in which the normal balance of faculty and sentiment is overthrown.

                  When a statesman, who is not wholly unworthy of that great name, finds an abstract principle in his way, as, for instance, that of popular sovereignty, he accepts it, if he accepts it at all, according to his conception of its practical bearings. He begins, accordingly, by imagining it applied and in operation. From personal recollections and such information as he can obtain, he forms an idea of some village or town, some community of moderate size in the north, in the south, or in the centre of the country, for which he has to make laws. He then imagines its inhabitants acting according to his principle, that is to say, voting, mounting guard, levying taxes, and administering their own affairs. Familiar with ten or a dozen groups of this sort, which he regards as examples, he concludes by analogy as to others and the rest on the territory. Evidently it is a difficult and uncertain process; to be exact, or nearly so, requires rare powers of observation, and, at each step, a great deal of tact, for a nice calculation has to be made on given quantities imperfectly ascertained and imperfectly noted!

                  Any political leader who does this successfully, does it through the ripest experience associated with genius. And even then he keeps his hand on the check-rein in pushing his innovation or reform; he is almost always tentative; he applies his law only in part, gradually and provisionally; he wishes to ascertain its effect; he is always ready to stay its operation, amend it, or modify it, according to the good or ill results of the experiment; the state of the human material he has to deal with is never clear to his mind, even when superior, until after many and repeated gropings. —

                  Now the Jacobin pursues just the opposite course. His principle is an axiom of political geometry, which always carries its own proof along with it; for, like the axioms of common geometry, it is formed out of the combination of a few simple ideas, and its evidence imposes itself at once on all minds capable of embracing in one conception the two terms of which it is the aggregate expression. Man in general, the rights of man, social contract, liberty, equality, reason, nature, the people, tyrants, are all elementary conceptions; whether precise or not, they fill the brain of the new sectary; oftentimes these terms are merely vague, sounding words, but that makes no difference; as soon as they meet in his brain an axiom springs out of them that can be instantly and absolutely applied on every occasion and at all hazards.

                  Men as they really are do not concern him. He does not observe them; he does not require to observe them; with closed eyes he imposes a pattern of his own on the human substance manipulated by him; the idea never enters his head of forming any previous conception of this complex, multiform, swaying material — contemporary peasants, artisans, townspeople, curés and nobles, behind their ploughs, in their homes, in their shops, in their parsonages, in their mansions, with their inveterate beliefs, persistent inclinations, and powerful wills. Nothing of this enters into or lodges in his mind; all its avenues are stopped by the abstract principle which flourishes there and fills it completely. Should actual experience through the eye or ear plant some unwelcome truth forcibly in his mind, it cannot subsist there; however obstreperous and telling it may be, the abstract principle drives it out; if need be it will distort and strangle it, on the ground of its being a calumny, as it gives the lie to the principle which is true in itself and indisputable. Manifestly, a mind of this stamp is not sound; of the two faculties which should pull together harmoniously, one is undeveloped and the other over-developed; facts are wanting to turn the scale against the weight of formulae. Too heavy on one side and too light on the other, the Jacobin mind turns violently over on that side to which it leans, and such is its incurable infirmity.

                  Consider, indeed, the authentic monuments of Jacobin thought, the “Journal des Amis de la Constitution,” the gazettes of Loustalot, Desmoulins, Brissot, Condorcet, Fréron and Marat, Robespierre’s and St. Just’s pamphlets and speeches, the debates in the Legislative Assembly and in the Convention, the harangues addresses and reports of the Girondists and Montagnards, in brief, the forty volumes of extracts compiled by Buchez and Roux. Never has so much been said to so little purpose; all the truth that is uttered is drowned in the monotony and inflation of empty verbiage and vociferous bombast. […]

                  It is a pedantic scholasticism set forth with fanatical rant. About one hundred words form its vocabulary, while its ideas are resolved back into one, that of man in himself; society, in their conception of it, consists of so many human units, all alike equal and independent, contracting together for the first time; — this was their conception of society; none could be briefer, for, to arrive at it, man had to be reduced to a minimum. Never were political intellects so dried up, and so wilfully; for it is the attempt to systematise and to simplify which causes their impoverishment. In that respect they follow the method of the century, keeping in the track of Jean-Jacques Rousseau: their mental mould is the classic mould, which mould, already contracted with the late philosophers, is yet more so with them hardened and toughened to excess.

                  The best representatives of the type are Condorcet, among the Girondists, and Robespierre, among the Montagnards, both mere dogmatists and pure logicians, the latter the most remarkable and with a perfection of intellectual sterility never surpassed. In the formation of durable laws, that is to say, in the adaptation of social machinery to characters, conditions, and circumstances, such a mind of all others is certainly the most impotent and the most mischievous, for it is organically short-sighted; and, again, its code of axioms, interposed between it and surrounding objects, shuts off its horizon; beyond its own coterie and club it distinguishes nothing, while in the vagueness and confusion of the distance it sets up the empty idols of its own Utopia. —

                  But when power has to be taken by assault, and a dictatorship arbitrarily exercised, the mechanical rigidity of such a mind is serviceable rather than detrimental. Unlike that of the statesman, it has no drawback, no embarrassment arising from the necessity of making investigations, of respecting precedents, of looking into statistics, of calculating and tracing beforehand in different directions the near and remote consequences of its work as this affects the interests, habits, and passions of diverse classes. All this is superannuated and superfluous; the Jacobin comprehends legitimate government and good laws instantaneously; his rectilinear process is the shortest and most efficient both for destruction and construction.

                  Where calm reflection is required to get at what suits twenty-six millions of living Frenchmen, a mere glance suffices for him to know what is requisite for the human abstractions of the theory; — indeed, according to the theory, men are all shaped to one pattern, nothing being left to them but an elementary will; thus defined, the philosophic automaton demands liberty, equality and popular sovereignty, the maintenance of the rights of man and adhesion to the “Contrat Social.” This suffices: henceforth the will of the people is known, and known beforehand; a consultation among citizens previous to action is not essential; there is no obligation to await their votes. In any event, a ratification by the people is sure; and should this not be forthcoming it is owing to their ignorance, disdain, or malice, in which case their response deserves to be considered as null; the best thing to do, consequently, through precaution and to protect the people from what is bad for them, is to dictate to them what is good for them.

                  In all this, the Jacobin acts in good faith; for the men in whose behalf he claims rights are not flesh-and-blood Frenchmen, as we see them in the streets and in the fields, but men in general, as they ought to be on leaving the hands of Nature, or after the teachings of Reason. As to the former, there is no need of being scrupulous because they are infatuated with prejudices and their opinions are mere drivelling; as for the latter, it is just the opposite: full of respect for the vainglorious images of his own theory, of spectres begotten by his own intellectual contrivance, the Jacobin always will bow down to responses that he himself has provided, for, the beings that he has created are more real in his eyes than living ones and it is their suffrage on which he counts.

                  Accordingly, viewing things in the worst light, he has nothing against him but the momentary antipathy of a purblind generation. To offset this, he enjoys the approbation of humanity, self-obtained; that of a posterity which his acts have regenerated; that of men who, thanks to him, are again become what they should never have ceased to be. Hence, far from looking upon himself as an usurper or a tyrant, he considers himself the natural mandatory of a veritable people, the authorised executor of the common will. Marching along in the procession formed for him by this imaginary crowd, sustained by millions of metaphysical wills created by himself in his own image, he has their unanimous assent, and, like a chorus of triumphant shouts, he will fill the outward world with the inward echo of his own voice.

                  In every doctrine which wins men over to it, the sophistry it contains is less potent than the promises it makes; its power over them is greater through their sensibility than through their intelligence; for, if the heart is often the dupe of the head, the latter is much more frequently the dupe of the former. We do not accept a system because we deem it a true one, but because the truth we find in it suits us. Political or religious fanaticism, any theological or philosophical channel in which truth flows, always has its source in some ardent longing, some secret passion, some accumulation of intense, painful desire to which a theory affords an outlet; in the Jacobin, as well as in the Puritan, there is a fountain-head of this description.

                  What feeds this source with the Puritan is the anxieties of a disturbed conscience which, forming for itself some idea of perfect justice, becomes rigid and multiplies the commandments it believes that God has promulgated; on being constrained to disobey these it rebels, and, to impose them on others, it becomes tyrannical even to despotism. The first effort of the Puritan, however, wholly internal, is self-control; before becoming political he becomes moral. With Jacobin, on the contrary, the first precept is not moral, but political; it is not his duties which he exaggerates but his rights, while his doctrine, instead of being a prick to his conscience, flatters his pride.

                  — Hippolyte Tain, The Origins of Contemporary France, 1881.

                • Aidan says:

                  Lol based. I recall now that when I actually try to engage such a man on the merits of his supposed hobby it is like speaking a different language to him.

              • Oog en Hand says:

                I am better at talking to cops than at talking to normies.

              • Neurotoxin says:

                Jim: All smarties have trouble talking to normies. It is an acquired skill.”

                Double-plus upvoting this. So true. Talking to normies is like gaming women, in the sense that you can simply learn it.

                When I was younger my social skills were oh so very bad. Now apparently I’m charming and outrageously funny. Who knew?

                The hard part, at least for me, was making the mental leap to thinking of talking to normies as a skill. And one that’s worth acquiring. After that mental leap, it’s really not difficult.

                Cominator: “I cannot make polite small talk about trivialities and cannot understand how people can do that”

                Just disengage your internal editor. Small talk with normies is not about exchanging information. It’s about opening and maintaining lines of communication. When you say, “Sure is some weird weather we’re having,” you’ve not actually saying, “Sure is some weird weather we’re having.” You’re saying, “I acknowledge that you’re part of my social world and I like you; let us continue to be part of each other’s social world.”

                You can just yap yap yap about almost anything to fulfill this function.

              • Anonymous says:

                All smarties have trouble talking to normies. It is an acquired skill.

                I doubt that they all have trouble. Good traits are correlated, so a chad is more likely to be smart than some average guy with normal amount of charisma, and a smart chad can talk to talk to normies pretty easily. If he has trouble, it is because of the IQ barrier being too high between himself and the normie, not any major deficiency on the chad’s part. There is a remarkably high concentration on this forum of smart, disagreeable, introverted types who would have trouble talking to normies and would need to consciously practice it to get good at it, but the rest of the world is rather less like that.

                That a smart guy would be uncharismatic is something odd and worth remarking on, and it happens more than you’d expect by chance given that good traits are correlated. Words like “sperg”, “nerd”, “geek”, etc. are for naming this unexpectedly frequent occurrence. So I don’t think these words are enemy demonizations of smart people, they point to something real in the world.

                Autism on the other hand, I do think is an anticoncept that lumps together a bag of low IQ + genetic load traits with mere sperginess. That Aspergers was folded into autism in the fifth edition of the DSM, that is where the attack would be.

                • jim says:

                  > I don’t think these words are enemy demonizations of smart people, they point to something real in the world.

                  What they point to that is real in the world is that school and university is imposing artificially low status onto males that are smarter than their teachers, and smart kids are internalizing this.

                  These are new words, which appeared before the phenomenon existed in order to help create it.

                  The phenomenon being quite new, and the words new, though not quite as new as the phenomenom, you need to ask “Why now?”

                • Adam says:

                  Males who are smarter than their teachers, and low in testosterone are internalizing it. Which obviously includes all pre-pubescent males.

                  The nerd/sperg phenomenon is as much a product of low testosterone as it is anything else. They are being punished for not acting manly. They may know the social conditioning is bullshit, but are not courageous enough to outright dismiss it, as if it did not exist. It still affects their behavior.

                  High testosterone high intelligence males are very difficult to condition, and more or less do as they please.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Jim dead on.

                • Anonymous says:

                  These are new words, which appeared before the phenomenon existed in order to help create it.

                  The phenomenon being quite new, and the words new, though not quite as new as the phenomenom, you need to ask “Why now?”

                  In Google’s ngram viewer the usage of nerd, geek, dweeb, dork, decays to background noise when you go only as far back as the 1980s. OK, maybe it is new. I’m young, so there’s my blind spot. So 100 years ago there were no nerds? That’s pretty surprising and drives home what a decline in testosterone actually means. No eggheads? Egghead has a peak in 1960 but is down to nothing at the beginning of the 50s.

                • jim says:

                  > So 100 years ago there were no nerds?

                  I was around before the 1980s. When I was a young man there were no nerds.

                  By my recollection, nerds were invented, demonization of smarties, some time a fair bit after 1980, though I am not sure about the date.

                  The decline of testosterone hit the athletes, not the smart.

                • Cloudswrest says:

                  FYI the movie “Revenge of the Nerds” came out in 1984. If I recall the term was in use before that. Google ngram viewer shows an inflection point right around 1980.

                • Varna says:

                  If you read the forewords and biographies and interviews of the golden age pulp sci-fi/weird writers of the 1950s, it becomes apparent that the reader core of the magazines and paperbacks was under 200K.

                  If we simplify it becomes a USA with around 150 million people, of which around 150 thousand were regular readers of “It Came From Beyond the Barrier” stuff.

                  Back then I believe this type of interest overlapped to a large extent with the “nerd population” which was obviously minuscule and had to have survival mimicry down to an artform because these were unforgiving gopnik times.

                  And a hefty number of them were likely little first-generation Jews.

                  Today however we have consecutive generations of overvaxed people giving birth to overvaxed people; eating toxic shit; having plastic microparticles in their bloodstreams, lungs, and other organs; artificially addicted to prescription pills from childhood; online smartphone matrix; insane social and media bubble, and so on.

                  This turns more and more of us into damaged warped mutants, and it takes a leap of faith in the self and the world to begin shaking off the programming and start fixing oneself.

                  God’s creations have magnificent resilience when they admit, accept, and embrace that they are God’s creations. The warping evil begins losing its deceptive omnipotence and the roars of the dragon turn out to be the impotent shrieks of faggots and sluts.

            • Adam says:

              I agree with the above. Social skills are built over time often deliberately. It takes 10,000 hours to master something difficult, like a trade. Social skills are like this. Much of being a natural is simply growing up with family that has these skills, so they seem automatic, but really they did put in the time, having to compete in that family.

              You can master your attitude, your perceptions, your actions the same way you can choose to do jumping jacks right now if you like. Social skills are just learning when to use what attitude and actions at the appropriate time.

              You have to start with something to give, like a positive attitude. Social people that like to socialize enjoy meeting the needs of others. Have to listen to people a lot, learn what they like and need, what they respond to, and give them that.

              As a smartie you should have an easier time than most. Your ability to notice little things put you at a distinct advantage over the rest.

              Get rid of your old belief about yourself, and start believing you are what you want to be. Start getting to work on learning how to make people feel good with your words and attitudes. Embrace being uncomfortable. Use every interaction with someone as practice for tomorrow.

              When you reach a certain competency, people will forget you were any other way. The same way people forgot gays are called faggots.

              • Neurotoxin says:

                “It takes 10,000 hours to master something difficult, like a trade. Social skills are like this.”

                Doesn’t take 10,000 hours.

                • S says:

                  Smarter people require less time, dumber people require more time, dumb enough will never get it.

                • Adam says:

                  If you wanted to take an average 4chan poster, someone more or less isolated, 10,000 hours seems like a good start if your end goal is to be confident and comfortable talking to anyone at any time, more or less about anything.

                  Jim mentioned internalized low status as a major problem, and that takes a lot of inner work. Establishing your frame, your perspective etc. Eliminating defects of character. Learning how to present yourself, and calibrate yourself.

                  I’m not talking about learning pickup or cold approach. Shucking and jiving is not a strategy for continued success.

                  Your not going from 4chan guy to Tony Robbins in 3-4 years, but you might become someone he would hire on as an assistant coach (or whatever they call it).

                • Neurotoxin says:

                  “If you wanted to take an average 4chan poster, someone more or less isolated, 10,000 hours seems like a good start if your end goal is to be confident and comfortable talking to anyone at any time, more or less about anything.”

                  If your goal is to be fluent in any subject, not just 10,000 hours but more than a human lifetime can handle! That’s not what normies do; they just talk about sports, the weather, etc. You don’t need to be able to chat with Albert Einstein about tensor matrices.

            • Oog en Hand says:

              You could start your own blog.

  27. Pooch says:

    Fascinating prediction for the West by a pretty interesting youtuber, who seems to be quite familiar with reactionary and right wing thought on all his videos, in which he lays out what he calls the “Donut Model of Civilizational Collapse”. What are commenters thoughts about this?

    So the West will continue to hollow out and people will continue to flee from the West to these other places. You’ll have millions of Americans leaving going to China, going to Russia, going to Europe, going to Africa, going to South America. Millions of people moving and of course from Europe as well going to China, India, Africa, Russia.

    This happened to Rome. Rome became a ghost town, but the ideas of Rome, the structure of Rome lived on. The Roman Catholic Church survived and provided an ecumenism for Europe and a template for future European confederation in the Holy League, in the Crusades, in the Napoleonic alliance, in Pan-Europeanism, in the League of Nations, in the United Nations, in the European Union, and in NATO.

    So this template is going to continue to exist, the United Nations going to continue to exist, these structures the West set up. English as a lingua franca, the Latin alphabet, a kind of vague human rights going to continue to be appealed to, in a certain respect, the global economy will continue to exist. Technologies will continue to exist.

    The doughnut model, the hollowing out of America, is not about a total collapse. It’s also not about business as usual. Say that Westerners are going to be become increasingly impoverished, degraded, humiliated, desperate, destitute, and shrinking and many of them will look for greener pastures as the conditions in the West decrease.

    They’re going to continue to look outside the West for places to immigrate to. That will include China, Russia, South America, Africa, all these places need technical experts and what the West has that these places don’t have are the best technical experts in the world. The best if you want someone to set up an excellent post-industrial automated farm or a chemical plant or computer chip making factory. Any of those things they’re already using Western experts. They’re going to continue to need them to continue to be valuable. These countries are not going to refuse Western immigrants on jingoistic bases because the Western immigrants are going to be highly skilled.

    I think millions of Westerners from Europe and America are going to leave and they’re going to go to greener pastures once the curve, once things go sufficiently down and the Third World has sufficiently developed, reaches a point where those things two lines intersect and you’re going to see a huge exodus, the same way that you’re seeing exodus of people from California to other states, you’re going to see an exodus of people from America and Europe into China, Russia, India, Africa, and South America.

    And that is going to bring liberal values, post-Christian values, ideas, philosophies, way of life, culture into those places and now those people integrate and assimilate into those countries. You can call it neo-neo-colonialism.

    Colonialism was originally the British go in and they killed the tribal leaders. They take over. They institute colonial war rule, military rule. Neo-colonalism is the British withdraw, now multinational diamond mining companies control everything through private contractors and they kill anyone who disagrees with them.

    Neo-neo-colonialism, which I would argue the first and second phase are actually imperialism and neo-imperialism, will be the West becomes so inhospitable, dirty, disgusting, and dysfunctional that the best and brightest leave and go to China, India, Russia, South America, Middle East, and Africa and they settle there is mass numbers. Millions of people go there. They settle there. They create new lives for themselves.

    Clip of video (but the whole video is interesting): https://youtu.be/9pEBLYG4P3Q?t=2298

    • Javier says:

      America is a big place. The big cities will collapse for sure, but other parts will survive and carry on. As states realize they can ignore Washington with no consequence they’ll start to reassert themselves and we’ll quickly see who succeeds and who fails. This is already happening. It used to be dc used federal troops to control the states, now they just use the money spigot. Once that shuts off its game on.

      • Pooch says:

        It used to be dc used federal troops to control the states, now they just use the money spigot. Once that shuts off its game on.

        Yes if the federal government shuts off the money spigot to a state, including deposit insurance, their banks will fail overnight. A prospective state government would need to probably have a replacement for the dollar waiting and ready if they want to succeed.

          • Mr.P says:

            From the article …

            Under the plan, the state would offer the tokens for sale through digital sources for $1 each. The money paid for the tokens would be invested by the treasurer’s office in federal treasury bills. The principal would be used to back the cryptocurrency, but interest from the treasury bills would go into the state’s coffers.

            So still backed by $USD. This solves what exactly?

            • Frank Matters says:

              Most currencies in the world are backed by USD. When the USD dies, they will be backed with something else.

              I’m not sure what you expect, a full declaration of war and a gold backed wyodollar? They killed Gaddafi for such things, and he had more power than the small state of Wyoming. I was just pointing out at least one state is making gestures, however meekly, at their own currency system.

      • Pooch says:

        America is a big place. The big cities will collapse for sure, but other parts will survive and carry on.

        The problem is going to be jobs. Not everyone is going to be able to be a plumber or a software engineer working remotely. If the parts that survive are actually in worse shape than 3rd and 2nd World countries with very little job opportunity, the Donut Model of Civilizational Collapse actually makes a lot of sense.

    • Whitey says:

      > I think millions of Westerners from Europe and America are going to leave and they’re going to go to greener pastures … you’re going to see an exodus of people from America and Europe into China, Russia, India, Africa, and South America.

      This is just more of your usual “everything is hopeless” porn. It’s utterly comical that China, India, or Africa would be seen as “greener pastures” for millions of Americans.

      Except possibly for Chinese moving back to China or Mexicans moving back to Mexico, the above is a pipe dream. Relatively speaking, there’s very little migration within the U.S. Millions and millions of skilled Americans aren’t going to move halfway around the world only to have the same or worse standard of living, when those people could just move to Florida or Wyoming or Alabama.

      As I’ve pointed out before, our enemies are a paper tiger. I’d rather kill myself than let some tranny Shaniqua chase me out of my homeland, and that should be everyone else’s attitude, too.

      • Kunning Druegger says:

        I tend to agree with your assessment, but consider how many “Americans” are only here for gibbs and privileges. Then think about the 30+ illegals. Then think about the white collar/managerial class. I can definitely see an exodus of the unwilling, should the cities turn into cartel control zones, the rural/exurbs start shooting on sight, and the federal government is exposed as jaybird naked. Imagine this happens over a decade, not some ebbin, overnight collapse. I think it’s possible.

        But I don’t think it’s likely.

        • Whitey says:

          > I tend to agree with your assessment, but consider how many “Americans” are only here for gibbs and privileges.

          Right, most of those are the Mexicans and Chinese I mentioned. The actual American welfare class can’t and won’t go anywhere. No decent country will take them. Hell, most couldn’t even move to Canada.

          > Then think about the white collar/managerial class.

          These people will stay until the bitter end. No other country on the planet would afford them a similar lifestyle for being so useless.

          > I can definitely see an exodus of the unwilling, should the cities turn into cartel control zones, the rural/exurbs start shooting on sight, and the federal government is exposed as jaybird naked. Imagine this happens over a decade, not some ebbin, overnight collapse. I think it’s possible.

          I think it’s the opposite. Millions might flee if there was an overnight collapse, but not if the slow boil continues. Think of how much this country has regressed in the LAST 10 or 20 years, but almost no one has left. Mostly just some Boomer retirees trying to stretch their retirement checks.

          • Pooch says:

            Californians are fleeing California en masse. Imagine that for decades until every state looks like California. At some point there is going to be a cost-benefit analysis to fleeing the US all together.

          • Kunning Druegger says:

            I want to disagree, but, again, you make a lot of sense. At a general level, there are people here because they ere born here, and there are people here because they decide to be here. As cliche as it sounds, America is a land of opportunities. I think it is entirely possible for circumstances and events to create a brain drain scenario (the Jimian Thesis). I also think the Zeihan Thesis is very much within the realm of possibility (Bretton Woods Paradigm ends, America retrenches and avoids the world at large unless it finds something it wants, conflict and deprivation spread around the globe, and a handful of countries ((Argentina, Turkey, New Zealand, Angola, others)) are uniquely suited to take advantage of the multi-polar state of IR).

            As was pointed out by others, CONUS is a big place. I think the Jimian Thesis with a Druegger Corollary is also possible: brain drain and flight of the independent thinkers and put upon specialists, but flight to states within CONUS, not to other countries. The GAE will probably collapse like the USSR, as in one day it’s there, and the next it is not (or it gets a nuclear war going lol). Then, the governors, CEOs, pastors, and other leaders who are best situated and provisioned take over some of the vacated power complex.

      • jim says:

        I see an exodus of the best people, the inappropriately excluded smarties, who are finding better opportunities in the Chinese hegemony and in Islamic states.

        • Oog en Hand says:

          Chinese people and Arab people are learning each others’ languages.

        • ExileStyle says:

          Unless this diaspora forms a group identity as impervious and enduring as the Jews, they will simply intermarry with and rapidly merge with the host population.

          There are not necessarily “better opportunities” in the sense of more money or higher status careers in Europe, but there are lily-white countries where it is possible to live a normal life in a nice city while almost never seeing or thinking about people of other races, which has a remarkably positive effect on quality of life and sanity. Being knee-deep in decades of social democratic rule is more of a bureaucratic nuisance or theoretical problem when virtually everyone around you is a conscientious white person. Even with the massive “refugee” influx, Europe is still way, way whiter than US, and you can feel it in the air and notice it in a million little ways every day.

          In the US, you have to choose between living in a city and living among your own kind. Not so in Europe, for now at least. And in some countries this seems unlikely to change (Hungary, Scandinavia apart from Sweden, e.g.)

          In Hungary, at least, you get the best of both worlds. Racially, your only problem is gypsies (not to be underestimated, but the government and people are wise to them). You’ll have a hard time getting a well-paying job, but if you can work remotely you have a literal imperial capital to live in with gorgeous buildings, gorgeous women, a wonderful cultural life, and a based president who seems to be defaulting into Franco mode. When I lived in Budapest, most of my neighbors were academics and – shocker of my life – all based Orbanites. Like, in the humanities and social sciences. This was before (or in fact part of) my redpilling, and seemed like a kind of baffling category mistake, but showed that a different kind of world is possible with even the minimum of a strong ethnic and national identity.

          As far as Scandinavia, well, they can become lazy degenerate socialists all they want and it’s still nice to live among them, so long as they keep the non-Scandinavians out. Compare Sweden and Denmark. The latter keeps getting in as much trouble as Hungary immigrant-wise, but everyone seems to forget about it because Danes are just so darn nice, and Social Democrats on paper.

          • Kunning Drueger says:

            There are states in the US that could imitate or replicate the sections of Europe you’re referencing, but those would become targets to a functioning GAE. Without drones bombing them for insufficient gayness, the geographic aspects of the CONUS lend the region a very natural division of diverse societies. This feature is probably why we’ve lasted so long, and probably why the Cathedral is constantly attempting to mitigate it.

            • ExileStyle says:

              That’s true. Large swaths of Texas outside of the major cities feels like a different country on the ground, as though 2020 – or in some parts the last 40 years – never happened at all.

              Drive into San Antonio or Austin or Houston, though, and welcome to Brooklyn, just hotter and with more cowboy boots.

              Cities in general are probably not great for the soul, diverse or not, but there are phases of life and certain careers where they are necessary, and obviously higher-level civilization requires them. At this moment in history, there is not a single American city with a couple hundred thousand people or more that I can think of that is not a sweltering Sodom of diversity.

              The whitest large city in America is Portland…what does that say about the state of American cities?

              Anyways, my point was more that if one feels the urge to flee America, returning to the temperate climate of one’s ancestors in Europe is still not a terrible choice, especially if one would prefer to interact only with white Europeans and the social institutions designed and run by them.

      • Pooch says:

        This is just more of your usual “everything is hopeless” porn.

        Not my words nor my analysis. I meant to blockquote that text. I’m more optimistic things can be turned around particularly with what Musk has brewing, but it’s an interesting theory nonetheless and shouldn’t be discounted. Even Jim has mentioned fleeing the West on more than one occasion if things reach an unacceptable level of decline.

        I agree with Kunning for the most part.

  28. C4ssidy says:

    Off topic but blog related: it seems that the pill was a type of proto-vax . People are observing large numbers of women with messed up fertility cycles, all being prescribed the pill for period pain in their youth. Years later they are labelled as having “pcos” and resupplied the pill to cover up the damage. The explosion in these fertility problems is unprecedented. It sounds like a mixture of ignorance and malice as with vaccines, with nurses following procedures and top down orders full of evil and malice (for infertility is considered a good thing ) with the rapid increase in pcos diagnosis used as a cover-up. I have had so much personal experience that a young unmarried mother of one bastard is starting to look like a better bet than a virgin, but upon asking around, there is a substantial amount of related personal experience, especially from old women who still have a living memory of these problems being much rarer

    • Frontier says:

      The pill increases a girl’s likelihood of clots as well. I was disturbed how often I saw young patients hospitalized for life threatening Pulmonary embolisms. They get told to go off birth control that contains the progestogen drospirenone afterword so it’s known what is causing the problem, but it’s not something that they’re properly warned about upfront.

      Ties in with what Jim has been saying about how complicated and dangerous messing around with sex hormones is.

  29. suones says:

    @Neofugue

    If truth is demoralising, it may be time to check your beliefs.

    Regarding Putin, I, a Rus-ophile Imperialist, made a statement of fact regarding Putin’s visit or non-visit to certain places of worship as a tangent to other arguments. Which statement of fact triggered an avalanche of hysteria, and took weeks to percolate down and be grudgingly accepted. Meanwhile, the main point I was trying to make, that we should not blindly trust Putin to be the leader we need, rather than the one we deserve, not repeat the same mistake as with Trump, got flushed in hysterics.

    Regarding “da joos,” I actually find Orthodox Talmudic Jews of Israel as the most agreement capable nation today. Once we made it clear that “Palestine” is not our problem, regardless of what a deranged minority wants, Mossad has not harassed us, and Israel has even sold us weapons as far as the US would allow. Judaism not being a missionary religion focussed on worshipping its Old God has also helped. Israelis have been fun to talk to, even when the subject involves Baphomet or the Nazarene. They essentially view “Christianity” as a Roman plot to out-Jew the Jews out of Judaea, and Talmudism as a reaction to the alarming proliferation of Jewish heresies in Rome and elsewhere. I believe millennia of entropy had weakened Judaism, as it has weakened us, and I also think a “Talmudisation” of Dharmic faith is in order to better fight new threats.

    Regarding the Tsar, Russian elite (including military elite) betrayed their Lord before he abandoned them. No amount of “No TRVE Scotsman”-ing will change that. The only possible exceptions I can discern were those at the front and got dolchstoss-ed, like Vrangel, and Baron Roman, but they were both Germans anyway so I don’t know if that counts. Baron Roman, especially, a Lion among Men, is a personal hero of mine. He had the right idea, but fell victim to cacodemons which abound in Siberia/North Mongolia.

    Not responding to attacks on old, dilapidated windmills lol.

    Oh, and the “Hindu” caste system is anything but. It is a description of human nature, rather than a top-down prescription, rather like we describe wolves as being “alpha,” “beta,” etc., which they, wolves, cannot help any more than we men can. It is ultimately derived from the Aryan castes, as described by Plato, and exists today whether one acknowledges it or not (under influence of “egalitarian” priestly lies), as pointed out by Moldbug. In fact, it irritated me when Moldbug used our terms for his taxonomy, but in retrospect it was a canny move, because it has irritated, and continues to irritate, egalicucks more than it ever troubled me.

    • jim says:

      > Regarding Putin, I, a Rus-ophile Imperialist, made a statement of fact regarding Putin’s visit or non-visit to certain places of worship as a tangent to other arguments. Which statement of fact triggered an avalanche of hysteria,

      Your arguments were silly. Sacrilege against Orthodoxy is now officially illegal in Russia, even merely words that I would cheerfully allow on this blog. Sacrilege against Islam is not. It is a damned good start.

      Putin is not yet at the right destination, but he has set foot firmly on the right path.

    • Dharmicreality says:

      At this point I wouldn’t bother replying to neofugue especially as he thinks the progs did such a great job at potty training their pet niggers that it is preferable to dharmic faiths which he calls demonic.

      Cannot have a rational discussion on that basis. There is no meeting of minds on this aspect.

      You know what is the problem? They are unable to reconcile the universalism/implicit egalitarianism of Christianity with reactionary beliefs. They keep falling back on egalitarianism almost instinctively. The deceitful ways that missionaries have converted browns and other races of Africa and Asia to Christianity is not addressed by Jim.

      If orthodox/Jimian Christianity prohibits or at least does not encourage evangelism, Jim should specifically say so. But does the Bible allow that? Please clarify.

      • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

        He is not falling back on egalitarianism. He picked the lowest possible class of the lowest race(besides maybe Australian Bushmen) and pointed out that they are tameable, however poorly. The point is in the contrast. If you are such a glorious Aryan race, then why the fuck are so many people shitting on the streets? Why are they so dirty? There is a problem there, which is what he is pointing out. Some things are universal, like sanitation being good. However, some things are not universal, like actually practicing sanitation.

        • If the West/Whites the epitome of civilization then where did we get this from?

          https://www.timeout.com/los-angeles/news/childrens-literature-and-gender-nonconformity-come-together-at-drag-queen-story-hour-031618

          And unisex public toilets?

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unisex_public_toilet

          Do I judge jimian Christianity on the basis of abominations like that? So why do you judge Traditional Hinduism on the basis of the street shitting class?

          • Adam says:

            Are street shitters demon worshippers? Are they defecting from your faith? Why are they shitting in the street?

            If they more closely adhered to your faith, would this solve the problem?

            • Dharmicreality says:

              The point is if street shitting was our worst problem we would gladly take it.

              Unfortunately it’s not.

              We didn’t invent drag queen story hour and our army doesn’t fight wars so that little girls in Afghanistan can learn to put a condom on a banana.

              • Ghost says:

                So this is the Overton Window that vibrancy brings to Western Civilization. We debate the relative strengths and weaknesses of street shitting.

                Think I’ll take my dog for a walk and have it crap in the neighbors yard.

              • jim says:

                Christians did not invent those things either.

                Those are, for Indians, foreign imports by a hostile state religion that worships Demons. Hinduism has a woefully poor record over the past two millennia of resisting demon worship, Christianity an impressive record.

                At the time of the fall of the Republic, Romans still had a religion with a far stronger claim to be a direct derivative of the original Aryan faith and close to the original Aryan faith than Hinduism does, and its faith was massively infested by demons.

                Looks like the original Aryan faith became demon infested at the time of decline of Bronze Age civilization, though the winning barbarian populations had a far lesser problem, and were closer to the original faith, than were the civilized peoples, so the fall of civilization enabled some recovery of that faith.

                • i says:

                  The most primitive faith of all peoples around the world is Worship of the All-Father the uncreated God that originated all existence:
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-bMgXQV7no

                  Ironically the Nomadic peoples and the most primitive tribes of today retain the most purity of the worship of the One True God.

                  They are the least demon infested of all peoples in the world. Their religion is invariably of a most high moral tone.

                  And idolatry was forbidden. They respected the God that didn’t want any form representing him for that would degrade his overwhelming glory.

                  Then there is the fact that many of them retained the flood myth of Noah. The Patriarch of the Post-flood peoples of the world.

              • i says:

                @Dharmicreality

                “We didn’t invent drag queen story hour and our army doesn’t fight wars so that little girls in Afghanistan can learn to put a condom on a banana.”

                What do you expect from those who hate Christianity and invert its values.

                The prohibition against faggotry and promiscuity is reversed by those people resulting in what you say.

                Its all about inversion.

          • Ghost says:

            Still on the topic of street shitting.

            This must really be getting to you. They’re just pulling your chain.

          • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

            The problem that you face is that street shitting and trannies are not comparable. Trannies are abominations that are mere years old, and resisted by even many of the NPCs, who have broken from their permifted script because it bothers them so much. Things like drag queen story hour inflame the normie who would otherwise nod at the official religion and go about his day.

            The sanitation problems facing India signal a much deeper problem. Comfort with filth being permitted by the upper classes, and a general lack of care for communities is normative. Nevermind that it is primarily the lower classes doing this. Why the fuck have the upper classes dealt with it? You can go to some of the poorest, lowest class areas in White America and they would be disgusted by shit on the streets. Why is there not more disgust from your people. With that said, props to Modi for acting on this. Change starts from the top.

            • Jehu says:

              I find it hard to have much criticism for Modi. He actually gives a rat’s ass about the welfare of Indians, even the lower caste ones and he’s doing what he can within the envelope given him.

              • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

                Modi seems to have everything under control, and is not making the kinds of mistakes that Trump did. I find his running of India, as little as it is that I know of it, to be quite admirable.

                • Dharmicreality says:

                  My biggest fear is that Modi suffers from normality bias just like Trump. I hope he sees the enemies for what they are and prepares for 2024.

                • Jehu says:

                  He’s not facing anywhere near of the impossible situation that Trump was and is. The Republicans would have cheerfully impeached him at any time during his term if they had half an excuse. They just wanted to do it with sufficient cover to not totally ‘Whig’ them. Modi’s position is intrinsically a lot better. The BJP actually mostly supports him.

            • I know they re not comparable.

              Unlike tranny worship, Street shitting is not a radical faith that is being exported to all parts of the world by threat of force backed by the might of GAE.

              Point is, blaming street shitting on old type Hinduism is as absurd as blaming tranny worship on old type Christianity.

              That said, tranny worship is only a symptom of deeper rot.

              • Aryaman says:

                The reason I think Hinduism as it is has something to do with street shitting — or rather, unsanitary behavior because I don’t think street shitting is a literal problem — is that it is not a problem in Sri Lanka, and it is not a problem in Pakistan.

                Obviously, it is not a problem with old type Hinduism, but is a problem with the Hinduism prevailing in much of India today.

      • i says:

        “If orthodox/Jimian Christianity prohibits or at least does not encourage evangelism, Jim should specifically say so. But does the Bible allow that? Please clarify.”

        Russian Orthodoxy even in its old form is evangelical. As in the great commission to make disciples of all Nations always applied.

        “The deceitful ways that missionaries have converted browns and other races of Africa and Asia to Christianity is not addressed by Jim.”

        Because Heretics are also trying to make converts alongside the genuine Old type Christians.

        • suones says:

          Russian Orthodoxy even in its old form is evangelical. As in the great commission to make disciples of all Nations always applied.

          Thank you for the frank answer. Evangelism is inherent in Christianity, of course, as the Prussians and Kievan Rus found out. To think otherwise is folly.

          I also know that “National Churches” have long been condemned as phyletism, with no adequate explanation here as to how “National Orthodoxy” isn’t phyletism.

          • Oog en Hand says:

            “Prussians,”

            Originally a Baltic language, related to Lithuanian. In some ways closer vto Sanskrit than e.g. Farsi.

          • jim says:

            One universal Church with one city pre-eminent, and the emperor pre-eminent over the lords, is an ancient part of the Christian tradition. But collegial affiliation of the largely independent Churches of largely independent priesthoods in separate cities also part of that tradition. Parts not always easy to reconcile.

            Peace of Westphalia is the pre-eminence of each sovereign with each nation. These are close to being contradictory positions, with the command to evangelize inevitably resulting in conflict, for if each sovereign can spread his state religion he can increase his power. And we now have nuclear weapons, though the events that led to the peace of Westphalia revealed impressive capacity to destroy each other even without them. Rather obviously, sovereigns need to accept the peace of Westphalia, because with nukes, war is even more inadvisable, and holy wars have been extremely destructive even back when we had to chop each other up by hand. We now have impressively more efficient means for destroying each other. Christians have always been commanded “Peace on Earth to all men of goodwill”, which the Peace of Westphalia interprets and applies as “do not undermine the power and authority of another sovereign’s state religion within that sovereign’s state.”

            So if both Caesars observe the peace of Westphalia, the Christian Church is forbidden to meddle. If one or the other does not …

            The problems you have in India are in substantial part the very ancient decadence and demon worship within your own religion, millennia ancient, but primarily the comparatively recent successful efforts of Harvard, the officially unofficial priesthood of the Global American Empire, to converge you. The problems we have in Christianity are downstream of a bunch of Socinians, in large part the postChristian ideological descendants of the Christian Brownists, subverting and converging Christianity to a non trinitarian faith, in which Jesus is Jesus the Jewish community organizer, impressively enlightened for his time, but now we are much more enlightened than he was. He replaced the Law of Gnon with something much better, and we are now improving it further with drag queen story hour.

            The Christianity that gave us science, technology, industrialization, and empire was fine. The Hinduism that lost your technological and mathematical superiority and got you conquered by one empire after another was not fine. If you want to fix Hinduism, your problems are considerably bigger and more ancient than Harvard.

            If a sovereign observes the peace of Westphalia, the true Church is going to restrain its evangelism to measures that do not subvert the religious authority of another sovereign. If one or the other sovereign fails to observe the peace of Westphalia …

            For example after crushing the never ending war of Dar al Islam against Dar al Harb, we saw each empire, the British and the Russians, seeking to adopt groups of Christians within Islam, and conflicting over which empire got to do the adoption, making it obvious that they were applying Christianity to subvert Islam and extend the power of their respective empires, a measure totally consistent with Christ’s command to evangelize. And we simultaneously saw each empire obstructing the other empire’s adoption, unavoidably protecting the religious authority of Islamic leaders in the process, an action totally inconsistent with the command to evangelize. Not a violation of the peace of Westphalia, because Dar al Islam is never at peace with Dar al Harb, unless subject to adequate terror, adequate terror being levels of terror that make Christians rightly uncomfortable, but it led to Christian empires violating the peace of Westphalia with each other, and violating the command of peace on earth to all men of goodwill.

            Your concern that the Christian Church might well ally with Mohammedanism against Hinduism is silly. The true Church will never do that, because Mohammedanism always stabs such alliances in the back. The Peace of Westphalia is possible with Hinduism, particularly if Hinduism has nukes. It is never going to fly with Mohammedanism, and even less if Iran has nukes. In the end, there is likely to be nuclear war between Christianity and Mohammedanism, if nuclear war between Harvard and Orthodoxy does not bite first, as it likely will.

            If Hinduism does not have nukes, and Christianity does, then yes, Christianity is likely to do what it has always done, but it is not going to do so in concert and cooperation with Mohammedanism.

            • I appreciate your attempt to assuage our concerns regarding whether you would respect Westphalian peace though you have qualified it with a lot of ifs and buts. That is actually most of what I am concerned with. You may take it that our Hinduism will be behind the protection of nukes and will respect mutual Westphalian peace.

              On the demon infestation of Hinduism we disagree and I have already argued repeatedly why I disagree and I am not going to repeat them here. You may leave us to internally decide on that aspect. What I hate is the GAE or its satellites and globohomo media lecturing India on religious tolerance while simultaneously sowing social disharmony through NGOs, Christian or secular.

              On a side note, there is a very definite rightward shift In Indian politics since Modi coming to power, actually calling for Hinduism to be recognized as the state religion of India which was not within the Overton window even a decade ago:
              https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/voices/rip-secularism-lets-try-a-hindu-democratic-republic-of-india-tc-apply/?comments=show

              Yes, the article is a somewhat cucked and “liberal” version of our vision of Hindu rashtra but the very fact that a voice in a mostly cathedral controlled mainstream publication expresses such heresy against the official state religion of holy secularism itself is a big step.

            • suones says:

              @jim

              An excellent Common Minimum Programme. We have a point of agreement, at last.

              > Iran

              I have grand plans for that. Let’s see who the gods favour.

              @Dharmicreality

              Certainly, such a thing even appearing in TOI blogs (which is more free-ish than the actual paper, but not vastly so) is a sign of the shifting of the Overton Window.

              • Dharmicreality says:

                I read the article, somewhat condensed in the actual newpaper before finding it online.

              • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

                A Persian Christian empire would be a great way to keep the Arabs in line until they can be genocided and selectively bred to not be a bunch of fucking retards. Persians have a pretty solid stock and good organization even by European standards, so it should not be terribly hard to do.

                • i says:

                  Where Christianity took hold alongside other social technologies:
                  https://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2022/05/when-did-europe-pull-ahead.html

                  There was de facto Eugenics in terms of raising IQ. First by Patriarchy making the selection for IQ on the part of Men having to be providers as well as protectors as Heads of their household.

                  Playing a large role in the expansion of the middle class and displacing and edging out the lower classes. Christianity also would tend to reduce slavery over the course of its influence which would increase eugenic pressure.

                  If a slave is a brother or sister in Christ that would cause 2nd and 3rd order impacts down the line in impacting slavery.

          • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

            >no adequate explanation here as to how “National Orthodoxy” isn’t phyletism.

            Rather, is there anything more necessary than the same confidence that would declare post-protestant unitarianism to be ‘true christianity, properly understood’, too in the stead of which confidently declare that No Bishop, No King?

            A would-be detractor could instead make his case; what are the charges, and why does he think they are a problem?

    • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

      You used the facts of the matter like a Jew would. Specifically, meticulously, and with intent to deceive. You spoke the strict truth and tried to make it something it was not. You have followed up by trying to defend the lie by insisting that what you said was technically the truth, no matter how twisted the framing. All the while condemning Christianity as a Semetic religion.

      You said that I gave Christianity credit for works done by Aryans that could not be done by any other Christian group, but your supposedly Aryan culture never manage to do them, either. I am not insecure in the face of Aryan culture because it’s heyday was long past a millenia ago. The only real threat to my Anglo-Christian culture is the Russo-Christian culture the post-Christian, American-residing Anglos, Jews, and Indians are provoking. Even then, the likelihood is that a military defeat handed to the unholy alliance of Progressives, Jews, and Indians is going to permit me and those like me to In Hoc Signo Vinces a pretty large portion of our former holdings.

      I am not a Greek or a Roman. I am an Anglo-Saxon, a Scandinavian, and an American. All the glories of the old Aryan gods that my ancestors worshiped were long dead when Christ was brought to my cold, wet ancestral island. The pagans of Briton were worshipping demons, not ancestors. Modern pagans are pozzed faggots, that also worship demons. Your “Aryan ancestor worship” has an uncomfortable amount of demons and smells like sulfur. Dharmicreality insists there is an older, less corrupt version of Hinduism with fewer demons, and it is only fair to offer him the same belief in the core nature of his religion that he offers me.

      For your bad faith arguments, I hereby dub you Jew-ones.

      • jim says:

        > You [suones] used the facts of the matter like a Jew would.

        Exactly so.

      • I think you do an injustice to suones here.

        His invoking Putin’s visit of certain places of faith was in the context of his concerns that Christianity had this tendency to suddenly ally with Baphomet and betray its older allies. He very much wants an alliance with Jimian Christianity if at all possible and he merely cited certain historic instances of Christians betraying their allies to Baphomet.

        Suones has repeatedly stated here that Moloch and Baphomet are the civilizational enemies of Dharmic faiths, which I agree with.

        We do want an alliance with Jimian Christianity in our fight against common enemies if at all possible.

        But if not possible, we are ready to fight alone.

        (In that context, the bringing up of street shitting topic whenever the theological debate occurs here smells strongly like low effort shill attempts to divide us by muddying the waters).

        • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

          No, I do not think I am being unfair in the slightest. When shown that he was misrepresenting the situation, he instead doubled down. If he had been arguing in good faith, they he would not have fallen back on technicalities and legalism. That shows bad faith discussion, and it is a behavior that is usually seen in Jews. Henceforth he shall be known as Jew-ones, until he stops behaving in such a Semetic fashion.

        • jim says:

          > Suones has repeatedly stated here that Moloch and Baphomet are the civilizational enemies of Dharmic faiths, which I agree with.

          You are arguing that we should not take the immediate implications of his argument, which were stupid, offensive, and untrue, but the broader implications of his argument.

          OK then. Let us look at the general context and general implications.

          When you say Moloch and Baphomet in a piece that discusses their mortal worshipers, it is unclear which worshipers of which faiths you refer to.

          Moloch and Baphomet are demons that appear in diverse guises. The faith for which abortion at female whim is a holy sacrament is obviously of Moloch, who has a thing for getting worshipers to sacrifice their own children. Agamemnon, who was of Greek Bronze age urban civilization though allied with the sea peoples, and whose faith was far more plausibly and directly derived from the original Aryan religion than Hinduism is, was obviously worshiping Moloch, who rewarded him the backhanded fashion that demons are apt to reward their worshipers for their sacrifices.

          In that abortion is the major form of birth control in Russia, and is under female control, that is rather obviously sacrifice to Moloch, which is indeed disturbing. But in the context when Suones and you are laying into Christianity in general and Orthodoxy in particular, sounds like you are complaining that Russian Orthodoxy is converged from God to Moloch. Which it is. But it is daily less converged, and Putin’s actions have a great deal to do with that. Christianity is rising from the dead, again, behind the shield of Russian nukes.

          The general substance and effect of Suones argument was that Putin is of Moloch, and allied with Baphomet. Putin is alarmingly converged and normality biased, but he is the man who is actively resisting the forcible expansion of the faith of Global American Empire. It also has the substance and effect that Christ is of Moloch and/or Baphomet, which is offensive and stupid.

          “Street shitters” is an entirely relevant and appropriate reply, because it bears directly on the decadence and corruption of Hinduism. At least when our cities get street shitters, it is a result of people who are more or less openly enemies of Christ, Christianity and Christians.

          • OK, you keep stating that suones argues in bad faith by conflating converged Christianity with Jimian/Orthodox Christianity, but in the same token, you consistently refuse to acknowledge our stand distinguishing old traditional Hinduism from the present decadent Hinduism and that is why I object to the “street shitting” low effort schoolboyish insults.

            • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

              How old are we talking when we say old, traditional Hinduism? Present, decadent Hinduism obviously permits the street shitting, and Modi, who I understand to be a more traditional sort is acting against the street shitters, but when and how did street shitting come to be? How do things ever get that bad without centuries of mishandling?

              It took decades after pretty open demon worship started to crop up for street shitting to become common in American cities, and that is still mostly only the province of the more degenerate immigrant classes and the mentally defective. Furthermore, it is restricted to only the most corrupt and degenerate cities in America. Perhaps I am giving historical European cities too much credit, but we have sewers that have been around for centuries to try and keep things under control. Public baths were also a common institution in medieval cities. Keeping shit and filth to a minimum has been a goal for basically as long as European civilization has existed.

            • i says:

              “OK, you keep stating that suones argues in bad faith by conflating converged Christianity with Jimian/Orthodox Christianity,”

              Well Suones did say Baphomet/Yahweh as the same thing. We do know that by saying “Yahweh” he is referring to the Trinity of Christianity.

              • suones says:

                Minor quibble: Baphomet is the god worshipped by the Ishmaelites. Yahweh is the god worshipped by the Israelites. Both insist theirs is the One True God, so I avoid that debate when referring to Semitic affairs.

                Jimian Christians here usually refer to their One True God as “God,” so to avoid throwing shade on that deity I avoid mention of “God,” instead using Semitic terms. I posted a taxonomy some time back. If I find it I’ll turn it into a blogpost.

                Cheers!

                • Frank Matters says:

                  You talk of gods as if you’re playing a shitty RPG. Fuck off with this low IQ larping nonsense. “You see *my* god is stronger and more adapted to my people and *your* god is a liar and *my* god does this and *your* god sucks.” This is foolishness, this is the philosophy of a low apelike man. You are projecting the social structure you live in onto the nature of Being itself, which is beyond all of this.

                  This is why the Sakya Buddha had to invent his method of teaching, because you wordcel retards have convinced yourself of unreality, too attached to the sounds you squeak and the scratches you make.

                • i says:

                  In the Scriptures YHVH which is derived from the Hebrew in(Book of Exodus 3:14-15) in which God says: “I AM THAT I AM”. or “I AM”.

                  So by referring to Yahweh. Then its quite apparent you are talking about Jesus Christ and the rest of the Trinity.

                  I know that you like other Pagans really have a problem with God choosing the blood descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to reveal himself to. After divorcing all Humanity at the Tower of Babel for rebellion.

                  But believe me. This is the best possible scenario in terms of God achieving the salvation of people all around the world.

                  Given how many predictions of demonic activities that would be no doubt foreknown. This world is the best scenario compared to others.

                  And as I posted elsewhere about the parable of the house that was cleansed and then more demons move in afterwards.

                  The demonic Kingdom always focuses most of their efforts in opposing God. So wherever God shows up the worst of the demons will try their greatest efforts to corrupt the most the people who God makes the most use of. If said people end up rebelling.

                  Be glad its the Semitics that took one of the team so speak. Because other people who are more powerful and noble will be targeted in other scenarios and the situation will be all the worse for it.

                • jim says:

                  > I know that you like other Pagans really have a problem with God choosing the blood descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to reveal himself to.

                  Gnon is a tribalist. In the age of patrilineal biological tribes he chose a patrilineal biological tribe. In the age of synthetic faith based tribes, he created a synthetic faith based tribe.

                  If Christianity is not tribalist, if Christians are not tribal, not Christian.I see businesses that show a marked preference for contractors that share their faith and go to their Church, because you need to be able to trust a contractor.

                • You're a liar says:

                  >I see businesses that show a marked preference for contractors that share their faith and go to their Church, because you need to be able to trust a contractor.

                  You do not. Mormons have the highest rate of confidence schemes per capita in the USA, specifically because of this, specifically because it makes it easy to take advantage of coreligionists. It is an open secret among Mormons that one should not go into business with another Mormon because the risks of being taken advantage of due to religious sympathy induced blindness are so high.

                  Israeli Jews have the same problem.

                  All this is well known and well documented and extensively remarked upon if you care to look.

                  It is precisely for this reason that in my local area the Mexican contractors are outcompeting the Amerikaner ones, because the Amerikaners depend on good ol’ boy networks, while the Mexicans depend on quality work and word of mouth.

                  Exactly and totally the opposite of what you claim. And you will tell me not to believe my lying eyes.

                  If there is a God, he damns you for your lies.

                • jim says:

                  You are posting from an alternate reality, probably the reality where black people live in fear of white thugs and coeds are distressed because of the number rapes by high status frat boys.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Mormons like Freemasons are not supposed to screw over each other and as far as I know are pretty good about not screwing over each other because they can call everyone else to take revenge if they do. They don’t necessarily refrain from screwing over outsiders.

                  Jews otoh tend to act more as you describe, they trust other jews not to screw over each other but they lack the enforcement of not screwing each other over so some jews like Bernie Madoff take advantage of this to screw other jews…

                • Adam says:

                  Mexican contractors are a symptom of entropy. They get the work that whites do not want, from customers who cannot afford to pay a white to do it.

                • Neofugue says:

                  > It is precisely for this reason that in my local area the Mexican contractors are outcompeting the Amerikaner ones, because the Amerikaners depend on good ol’ boy networks, while the Mexicans depend on quality work and word of mouth.

                  Rich people hire Mexicans because the one competent aging white boomer is backlogged for another three weeks and they wish to assuage their feelings of guilt by being not-rayciss. I have seen White homeowners refuse to recognize substandard Mexican contractor work in front of their eyes.

          • You are very quick to point out that people who bear Crhistian names and identify as Christians but spout the Progressive creed as enemies of Christianity and Christ, but by the same token you consistently refuse to acknowledge our stand that the state of India today is a result of enemies of Hinduism and Dharma even if they bear Hindu names and identify as Hindus.

            • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

              Our problem is that when our demons kill Christianity, they move pretty quickly to dispense with the Church. Your demons seem to hang out a lot longer. It has been 157 years since the conquest of America by Harvard and Yale. Christianity has been fighting and losing a rearguard action for that entire time. Progressive churches are dying, and only the constant entryism of Progressives gives them any religious cover whatsoever.

              I do not see that same fight in Hinduism. The decadent Hinduism seems to be very old, predating the British conquest of India by centuries. There appears to be more willingness to allow demons in and let them inhabit the Hindu pantheon. It could just be because I am not as well-versed in Hindu culture as I am Christian culture, but your problems seem to be very old, and the symptoms of those problems indicate that they have been problems for a very long time, as well.

              • i says:

                “Our problem is that when our demons kill Christianity, they move pretty quickly to dispense with the Church. Your demons seem to hang out a lot longer.

                Your demons seem to hang out a lot longer. ”

                When you read the Book of Revelation.

                Jesus Christ is in the Business of shutting down demon infested Churches that don’t repent.

                5 of the 7 Churches in Asia that is mentioned in Revelation has died out. Only 2 is still remaining.

                “I do not see that same fight in Hinduism. The decadent Hinduism seems to be very old, predating the British conquest of India by centuries. ”

                From the very beginning Christians were going ape shit about heresy. Arianism, Gnosticism and other attempted demonic infiltrations were fought vigorously.

                As Paul said: “If anyone even an Angel preaches another Gospel, let him be Anathema”

                But the subversion has still managed to happen. But on the other hand God has been removing the diseased branches quite vigorously.

            • jim says:

              The rot goes back far further than you acknowledge.

              And whenever Suones starts shitting on Christianity I raise this point. That you have a very ancient demon infestation. If you don’t want us pissing on Hinduism, stop pissing on Christianity. Christianity you keep pointing out, came to us through the Jews, who got cursed for a reason. Well, Krishna worship came through the inferior demon worshiping races that the original Aryans conquered. I would rather the Jews.

      • suones says:

        This exchange has been most enlightening. I see that there remains much to do in Europe. I’ve stumbled upon the first hatefact in reaction, where the truth of the matter becomes secondary to the alleged belief of the person making it. From outright denial to grudging acceptance, anything to avoid addressing the actual point of the argument.
        > Jew

        Why thank you! Talmudisation is the proven way by which an Old Belief has been nurtured and brought into the modern era, which is worthy of study and good points worth emulating for us.

        I am also mildly amused that “Jew” is somewhat a catch-all term of abuse, without referring to any specific Jew, which definition doesn’t include the revered Kissinger, for example.

        @jim

        Russia’s 2013 anti “blasphemy” law is actually religion-neutral, and is based on “not hurting the religious sentiments of people.” We have such a blasphemy law in India as well, with the result that it is used by Baphometans ten times more frequently than us. If you’re aware of some new Orthodox blasphemy law please share.

        @everyone

        Re: street-shitting

        This is an “Indian problem” manufactured specifically because we are Hindu. Despite being, in relative terms, less prevalent than in Pakistan, North West Africa, or even Vietnam and Philippines (according to the same cucked globohomo statistics quoted here[1]), it is uniquely applied to us as a method of reducing status. Brother Dharmicreality, and indeed Modi himself, is vulnerable to rhetorical attacks and has responded in good faith to no avail.

        The plan is similar — take a culture you hate, identify what the worst individuals there are doing, and derail the debate. Thus, Amerikaner gun-activists are judged by the latest school shooting, Trumpian vote-fraud realists are judged by the Kraken, NASA space-foolery sceptics are judged by Flat Earth-ism, 9/11 troofism, the list goes on and on. And we are judged by open-defecation by <10% (a more generous figure than UN, because I'm a generous man) of the worst of our proles. I could use the same technique, with better rhetoric than Dharmicreality, regarding dRag Queen Story hour and faggotry, both being recognisd and supported by the leaders of society and religion (Biden and the Pope)[1]. But I won't, so as to not fan flames in our host's house.

        This is such a common rhetorical technique that I made a blogpost about it[2]. Engaging with it is a mistake. It's best to invoke Suones' Lemma to the Corollary to Godwin's Law[3] here.

        [1] The things which attracted my to explore Russian Orthodoxy in the first place were the resistance to "gay propaganda," and Pussy Riot, which was also the time I came upon Jimblog.

        [2] https://homeoftheoldgods.wordpress.com/2021/01/04/coronaplague-and-5g/

        [3] https://homeoftheoldgods.wordpress.com/2022/05/28/lemma-to-the-corollary-of-godwins-law/

        • The Cominator says:

          India gets singled out bc of a notorious 4chan post where an indian poster mentioned “designated shitting streets” but India at least b4 Modi was supposed to be pretty bad on this.

          We know Bengal (aka Bangladesh) is probably worse.

          As for Hinduism intellectually Hinduism is a pretty sound religion… but the social aspects and the pantheon seem demon infested. You should focus on why rather than shrieking denials and attacking all aspects of christanity. Your friend Dharmicreality i find is a bit more level headed on this…

        • Skippy says:

          This is coap. India stinks. Everywhere.

          No one is doubting Bangladesh also stinks.

        • jim says:

          > From outright denial to grudging acceptance, anything to avoid addressing the actual point of the argument.

          The actual point of your argument as every Christian on this blog understood it to be, was wildly false, and instead of defending it, you wander all over the place muddying the waters, and Talmudically splitting hairs over irrelevant technicalities.

          If your argument had a defensible point that was not what we understood it to be, you would tell us what it was, instead of emitting a vast cloud of squid ink with random irrelevant, and usually absurd, insult piled on insult.

          You are taking up a whole lot of space with no apparent point, and random hostile irrelevancies.

          And the best answer to all of these irrelevant hostile distractions, which wander all over the place, is “demon worshiping street shitters, who got conquered almost by accident by traders looking for condiments to improve the flavor of British food.”

          Christianity was a good religion a few centuries ago. The Hindu religion has not been a good religion for millennia. It is not original Aryan religion any more than sixth century Judaism was the Judaism of Solomon or the Hasmoneans, and modern western neopaganism is based on dim memories of an ancient religion that had long gone to crap before the time that they are unsuccessfully attempting to recover.

        • i says:

          “Why thank you! Talmudisation is the proven way by which an Old Belief has been nurtured and brought into the modern era, which is worthy of study and good points worth emulating for us.

          I am also mildly amused that “Jew” is somewhat a catch-all term of abuse, without referring to any specific Jew, which definition doesn’t include the revered Kissinger, for example.”

          Why are so many Jews the worst enemies of God? This is an explanation:

          Luke 11:24-26
          24When an unclean spirit comes out of a man, it passes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ 25On its return, it finds the house swept clean and put in order. 26Then it goes and brings seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and dwell there. And the final plight of that man is worse than the first.”

          2 Peter 2:20-21
          “20If indeed they have escaped the corruption of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, only to be entangled and overcome by it again, their final condition is worse than it was at first. 21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than to have known it and then to turn away from the holy commandment passed on to them. ”

          When demons have been purged from people and a culture. Manifold more demons will move back in when said culture abandons Christianity.

        • Kunning Drueger says:

          I’m not dogpiling, but I’d like to point out that street shitting was pointed out in reference to a sanitation discussion. Yes, Suones of the Nose had just, yet again, stirred up unnecessary Pagan silliness, but I’m failing to see how this is the completely real D&C tactic of attacking Dharmabros by derailing with street shitting.

          This is unfortunately reinforcing the Hebrew Tactics charge, because it is an oft used tactic to cry out “Antisemitic” when a valid point is made about actual problems abetted, fomented, or perpetuated by Jews (migrants in Europe).

          Suones, you again made an assault on Christianity. You did so to a group of people who, probably moreso than any other, is very much aware of the skin suit modern Christianity has become. No one here is denying the suboptimal state of our shared faith. Pretending like paganism is relevant and an actual alternative dumb and unhelpful.

          Please remember, I unwittingly assisted anti-Dharmabro shills, using the street shitting tool. It was pointed out, I acknowledged my complicity, and I apologized, precisely because it was an unwitting attack on an ally. Maybe it’s a function of my recognized position on the IQ scale here, but it’s not hard for me to admit mistakes and attempt to apologize. While not at all trying to use humility as a cudgel (a highly damaging tactic used by entryists against Christianity), I do think you, amongst many others here, might benefit from just a bit of it. Maybe not, maybe there’s a better path towards productively developing better ties between the Dharmic and the Faithful. But it never ceases to amaze me how a little bit of honestly applied humility can go a long way toward stable rapprochement.

          • someDude says:

            @Kunning

            We understand and appreciate your stance.

          • suones says:

            @Kunning
            Very true, and thank you for your kindness, friend.

          • Neofugue says:

            Men of differing faiths can agree to disagree and team up against a common foe, but these alliances always fall apart once said common foe is defeated. The alliance between the West and the Soviet Union fell apart shortly after the defeat of Germany.

            You did not initiate the subject of street shitting, but you did prompt Suones into openly stating he “couldn’t care less” about street shitting. Unless he issues a retraction, his comment will follow him whenever and wherever he posts.

            • jim says:

              > Men of differing faiths can agree to disagree and team up against a common foe, but these alliances always fall apart once said common foe is defeated.

              That said, we do have a common foe. It is time to team up and avoid focusing on our differences.

              Suones wants to revive a religion that was decadent a very long time ago, The Western neopagans want to revive a religion that was decadent a very very long time ago. We want to revive a religion that was vital and alive three centuries ago.

              • Neofugue says:

                Suones is not interested in teaming up against the common foe:

                I’m only writing this for the benefit of lurkers. I harbour no delusions of any alliance with Christians against Baphomet or Prog or both. In fact, “missionaries” here cannot be distinguished between those spreading “Christianity” or “Prog” — it seems all prog to me…To prevent Christians from betraying me, I will refuse to make any accomodation with them.

                He is only here to stir up discord and spew vitriol.

                • Frank Matters says:

                  I believe something about cheeks and miles is relevant here. I am willing to go along if hinduposters stay on topic, past misdeeds forgiven so long as they remain past and are not brought again to the present.

                • Perhaps you missed his latest reply to Jim:
                  https://blog.reaction.la/economics/stagflation-is-here/#comment-2839872

                  All we want is recognition of Westphalian peace towards Hinduism and India. Which Jim seems ok for.

                  If you have read his post and still stick by your point you seem much less accommodating on this aspect.

                • Neofugue says:

                  > All we want is recognition of Westphalian peace towards Hinduism and India. Which Jim seems ok for.

                  If cooperation was the only thing Suones wanted, he would have acted in an diplomatic manner instead of attacking us.

                  The peace of Westphalia was an agreement made between Roman Catholics and Protestants, not Orthodox, to avoid devastating holy war. It is neither a religious commandment I am obliged to follow nor an assurance I have any authority to give.

                  That being said, I hold no animosity towards Hindus and Hinduism, so if Hindus are willing to act accordingly I see no reason why we cannot ally against a common foe.

              • Pooch says:

                We want to revive a religion that was vital and alive three centuries ago.

                To play Devil’s Advocate for a moment, why is this better than what Augustus did? Augustus attempted to revive the Roman state religion of three centuries before him that was vital and alive in order to restore the birth rate of native Romans. Seems like his efforts had negligible effect.

                Why did he fail and why will not make the same mistake?

                • Pooch says:

                  we*

                • Redbible says:

                  If my understanding is correct, many people believe that they are Christians, even if what they actually worship is a skin suit.

                  Also evidence suggest that there are some small groups that believe in a Christianity that is close enough to what we believe to work with.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Augustus failed to revive the elite birthrate probably because

                  A) He seemed to blame the low elite birthrate on the idea that elite roman men didn’t want to marry and just wanted to fuck slavegirls rather than women being evasive

                  B) To the extent men were to blame in the senate class only its because the Roman cursus honorum was ruinously expensive and few could afford multiple sons

                • jim says:

                  > To play Devil’s Advocate for a moment, why is this better than what Augustus did?

                  The reasons for Augustus’s failure are sufficiently well known and uncontroversial that they were briefly depicted in the show “Rome”, though they are “controversial” in the sense that respectable historical sources now find them unmentionable.

                  Roman religion full of demons. Augustus wants to revive the virtue of the Old Republic. Promptly marries another man’s wife, who has already had a child with another man. Demons still there, collapse of marriage and family still there, Emperor worship, what we now call cult of personality, added. What could go wrong?

                  He revived the old dead faith much as he revived the old dead Republic.

                  If we were to attempt to revive Anglicanism, but left Socinians, faggots, rainbow flags, and trannies in place, that would not work either. The Churches are emptying out because a man takes his wife and kids to Church, and the Church tells him he is Homer Simpson, and his sons need be protected from toxic masculinity.

                  I am impressed by the remarkable accuracy with which the show “Rome” depicts Roman decadence, even though it is no longer mentionable in current academically respectable sources.

                  The failure of Romans to reproduce reflected a man’s insecurity in his property right over his wife, a topic repeatedly addressed in that show. The decline of virtue reflected the demons in the state religion, something also regularly addressed in that show. We are repeatedly shown people invoking deities in ways that imply demonic character, and no one ever invokes the spirits of their illustrious ancestors, the personal gods of hearth and home. This depiction is likely a hyperbolic exaggeration, but it accurately reflects the crux of the problem.

                  Similarly Hitler cracked down on all the Weimar faggotry and attempted to persuade women to have children, but continued the Weimar undermining of the authority of husbands and fathers.

                  Augustus strengthened the authority of fathers over daughters – largely at the expense of the daughter’s husband. A property right in something you cannot and should not keep around indefinitely only has value to the extent that you can transfer that right fully and irrevocably to someone else, thus this change not only diminished the value of wives, but also the value of daughters.

                • Pooch says:

                  Promptly marries another man’s wife, who has already had a child with another man. Demons still there, collapse of marriage and family still there, Emperor worship, what we now call cult of personality, added. What could go wrong?

                  Sounds exactly like what our respective Caesar might do, a Trump or a Musk, who all have had multiple children with multiple wives and are not particularly Christian.

                  Removing rainbow flags is one thing and restoring property rights over women an entirely different thing. Putting homos back in the closet and banning trannies pales in importance to restoring male authority.

                  To assume our Caesar will restore the old property rights of men over women of old type Christianity seems like a mighty big leap of faith. That would take one extraordinary individual indeed.

                  Rome got two extraordinary men in Caesar and Octavian back to back and couldn’t do it.

                • jim says:

                  > Sounds exactly like what our respective Caesar might do, a Trump or a Musk, who all have had multiple children with multiple wives and are not particularly Christian.

                  That was not adultery. Augustus decided to marry a woman while she was still married to another man. That was adultery. What Musk and Trump did is completely legitimate, in a society where marriage is not enforced against women.

                  But yes, we are at very high risk that our Caesar will do what Augustus Caesar did.

                  But we have one thing Rome did not have: The lessons of the past.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Well Rome theoretically did have pretty strong legal patriarchy for women’s fathers but under later laws of marriage the woman and her father could opt for her to stay under her father’s authority which was the option overwhelmingly taken which tended to result in de facto emancipation of married women with the exception of Patricians married Confarreatio.

              • Oog en Hand says:

                So, soviet Stalinism is a better choice than 1488?! Should we become tankies?

        • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

          No one believes your cope, Jew-ones. I do not need to point to any specific Jew, because we all know the obvious and obnoxious behavior you have in common with Jews.

        • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

          You did not come to have a debate, you came to pick a fight. Just like in the 1800s, the Christians in the blog came together to beat on you. There are no hatefacts. There are no things that we are not permitted to know. We are well aware that Christianity came to the West through 1st century Jewish missionaries. That being said, the idea that Christianity is Jewish in nature is belied by the history of the Jews.

          The whole point of their disenfranchisement by God was that they were being so excessively Jewy that they had killed Him while trying to force Him to do what they wanted. They were abandoned for their betrayal, and the Chosen were from then forth those who chose to serve Him, not merely those born to a specific line. Christianity condemns all of the behaviors that make Jews so obnoxious, especially their legalism. Qualities that you condemn as Semetic and alien, and then go ahead and practice, yourself. If you want to act Jewy after complaining about Semetics, then you stand condemned by your own standards.

          • jim says:

            > Christianity condemns all of the behaviors that make Jews so obnoxious, especially their legalism. Qualities that you condemn as Semetic and alien, and then go ahead and practice, yourself.

            The Jew cries out in pain as he stabs you. Everything Suones has accused Christian neoreactionaries of doing, he is doing, and we are not doing.

          • jim says:

            Digressing from Suones conduct to the rectification of names.

            Legalism has two conflicting meanings, which require two words or phrases:

            Legalism in the Christian sense: using the letter of the law to subvert the intent and purpose of the law, finding literal meanings in a law, contract, bet, promise, or agreement that violate the meeting of the minds. Which led to the chosen people becoming unchosen and cursed, and also led to them being conquered and eventually expelled.

            Legalism in the Chinese sense: The theory that the moral order of society comes from the sovereign’s law, and if in practice people are doing something different, need to escalate enforcement and punishment.

            On the contrary, order comes primarily from the actions of individuals, the authority of the Sovereign’s law comes from the moral order of society, and if there is a discrepancy, the Sovereign needs to fix the law. The King is King in the nation because the peasant is King under his small and leaky roof, and if the overmighty servants of the Sovereign are intruding on the peasant’s proper authority, they will soon be intruding on the Sovereign’s proper authority.

            We have primarily the second problem in America, illustrated by the Duluth Model and the impotence of the Trump administration, legalism in the Chinese sense, and I would like to have a distinct word or phrase for it. I don’t want to call it legalism, since the Christian meaning of that word is ancient and well established.

            • Neofugue says:

              > We have primarily the second problem in America, illustrated by the Duluth Model and the impotence of the Trump administration, and I would like to have a distinct word or phrase for it.

              Anarcho-tyranny?

              • jim says:

                Ah yes, we have an established phrase of broad meaning, which includes Chinese legalism, though it also includes other things.

                The prime example of Chinese legalism in the US is the Duluth Model, which is clearly the tyrannical aspect of anarcho tyranny. In anarcho tyranny, everything is a crime except crime, and under the Duluth model the woman can do no wrong. Whereupon she promptly does wrong to test if her husband is more alpha than judges and cops. Which I am, and every male needs to be. Marriage and family is outlawed, and if you want marriage and family, you too must be an outlaw.

                Christianity commands obedience to Caesar, but it also demands disobedience regardless of the cost when Caesar attempts to take that which is God’s, and marriage is God’s. In love and war, all things are permitted.

                The phrase anarcho-tyranny includes things that Chinese “legalism” does not include, but Chinese “legalism” tends to lead to those things, and a phrase that embraces both the Chinese concept, and the results it tends to have, is a good replacement.

                • Anondx says:

                  Moralism?

                • Pax Imperialis says:

                  “Rule by Law” in opposed to “Rule of Law” is the phrase East Asian analysts typically use for Chinese “legalism”

                • jim says:

                  > “Rule by Law” in opposed to “Rule of Law”

                  Anticoncept.

                  I looked up their definition of “rule by law” as opposed to “rule of law”

                  Not a definition, so much as a rationalization “when we do it, it is completely different from when they do it”

                  I don’t think they get it. Lot of words that miss the point. Their description of what happens is not what happened. They do not want to see what they are seeing.

                  The underlying error is in their concept of “rule of law” which fails to distinguish it from what they are calling “rule by law”.

                  They want a definition that makes it good when the US applies the Duluth Model, bad when Qin imposes dire penalties on conscripts that show up late regardless of the reasons that they are late.

                  I want a definition that makes US enforcement on male female relationships the same thing. They want a definition that makes it completely the opposite thing.

                  It is intended to muddy the waters, an anticoncept. A disturbing thought occurred to them, and crimestop made them stupid.. They see what I am seeing, and flee the sight.

                • Kunning Drueger says:

                  Spiritual bureaucracy?

                • i says:

                  @jim

                  What I really hate about Chinese Legalism especially the writings of Shang Yang. Is how much of an attack on the Image of God it is:

                  The implementation of these principles, however, is prevented by a force which the book deals with at length. To denote this force Shang Yang uses a term that is translated as “parasites” or (literally) “lice.”

                  Sometimes six parasites are enumerated, sometimes eight, in still other instances ten. These are the Shih Ching and the Shu Ching (The Book of Songs and The Book of History, the sources of artistic and historical education), music, virtue, veneration of old customs, love of mankind, selflessness, eloquence, wit, etc.
                  Elsewhere, knowledge, talent and learning are added. What seems to be meant is culture in its broadest understanding and involving a certain level of ethical and moral demands.

                  The existence of such “parasites” is incompatible with the One Thing that the author elaborates, as well as with his whole program. “If there are ten parasites in a state. ..the ruler will not be able to find a single man whom he might use for defense or to wage war.” (84: p. 151)

                  “Wherever there exist these eight parasites simultaneously, the authorities are weaker than their people.” (84: p. 162)

                  In this case, the state will be torn apart. “If knowledge is encouraged and not nipped in the bud, it will increase, and when it will have increased, it will become impossible to rule the land.” (84: p. 182)

                  “If the eloquent and the intelligent are valued, if vagrant scholars are brought into the service of the state, if a man becomes well known thanks to his learning and personal glory, then ways are open in the land to the unrighteous. If these three kinds of persons are not checked in their path, it will be impossible to engage the people in war.” (84: p. 224)

                  And Shang Yang warns darkly: “The people in the whole country have changed, they have taken to eloquence and find pleasure in study; they have started to engage in various crafts and trade; they have begun to neglect agriculture and war. If this trend continues, the hour of death is near for the land.” (84: p. 152)

                  In olden times, he says, things were not this way: “The gifted were of no use and the ungifted could do no harm. Therefore, the art of ruling well consists precisely in the ability of removing the clever and the gifted.” (84: p. 231)

                  Finally, this idea is expressed in its most naked form: “If the people are stupid, they can be easily governed.” (84: p. 237)

                  Shang Yang’s teaching is reminiscent of a social utopia, a description of an “ideal state,” in which “private interests are eliminated,” love for kindred beings is replaced by love for state order, all aspirations are concentrated on the One Thing and the entire structure is maintained by a system of informers, guilt by association and harsh punishments. ”

                  And how much it didn’t adhere to the principle of Lex Talinois “Eye for an eye” that to this day leads to dysfunctions in Chinese Government.

                  Since it is by nature heavy on punishment out of proportion to the crime and light on reward.

                  Very genocidal in its laws. Which even God only limits to certain peoples because of sheer corruption of their culture and economic limitations like in the case of the Amalekites:
                  https://www.christian-thinktank.com/rbutcher1.html

                  (A broken clock twice a day but a feminist unfortunately. Can’t find a better essay in regards to this however)

                  But when God dealt with treasonous Royal Families he only killed the Males of that family. Whilst Shang Yang and probably Han Fei makes absolutely no distinction whatsoever in regards to Sex. Because of the differences of seeking revenge in the future.

                  Like God did with the Midianites:
                  https://www.christian-thinktank.com/midian.html

          • suones says:

            @Wulfgar Thundercock III

            You mistake heeding the counsel of wise friends for weakness — a classic prole error. Unfortunately, I cannot continue this line of argument, because our host has laid down the final word.

            So I wish you good day!

            • Oog en Hand says:

              As said, acquire skills.

            • Neofugue says:

              You are not a friend, you are an enemy, and you have nothing to offer us.

              Also, “classic prole error” is a purestrain GRIDS-tier gaslighting attempt against a perfectly reasonable commentator. By no means could your vitriol be construed as “counsel of wise friends.”

              • Sounes has already stepped down from the fight and made truce with Jim after a detailed post by Jim clarifying his stand on Westphalian peace and how he views the evangelism of internationalist Christianity.

                If you still want to attack us and treat us as foes, I can only describe it as unfortunate. Debating old type Christianity and old type Hinduism seems meaningless against the looming threat of our common enemies.

                • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

                  No, Dharmicreality, I would not consider you a target of this fight at all. You have not been being a disrespectful, deceitful, Jewy bastard. Your conduct has been respectful and your arguments reasonable. Hindu nationals and Christian nationals are fighting the same fight against the same enemies. Collaboration and sharing ideas and tactics is a sensible approach to a shared enemy, especially when we are so distant.

                  I would not put you in the same class as Jew-ones, and I do not consider my attack to be against Hindus or Hinduism. I have my criticisms, but you do, too. As long as they are fair and sincere, we can debate them. Jew-ones wanted to be an asshole, so now I am going to show him how it is done. I found an insult that bothers him, and evidence of misdeeds, so I am going to beat him like a red-headed stepchild’s dead horse.

                • dharmicreality says:

                  Well, though I feel that you may have misjudged suones’ intent, I am glad that you have no hostility toward us generally in regard to Hinduism / Hindu nationalism and willing to debate in the spirit of honesty and reasonableness.

                • Neofugue says:

                  Dharmicreality, I do not consider you an enemy, only Suones.

                  Suones is an enemy because he engages in a variety of deceitful tactics against us and his arguments are at best a b-rate version of those of Julian with “Semitism” replacing “Galileans.” If Suones wishes to engage with us, he can issue retractions or at the least not engage in hostile behavior.

                  Also, as to prevent any misunderstandings, an agreement to Westphalian peace in the interest of defeating Progressivism is a temporary tactical compromise which can only be extended given military parity. In no way, shape, or form will I condemn or prohibit missionary activity on principle.

                • jim says:

                  Right.

                • The Cominator says:

                  I think you’re a good poster (and this is from someone who is in general very strongly prejudiced against Indians) and you argue in good faith. I cannot quite agree that this describes others though.

            • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

              Jew-ones, stop posting cope. Posting cope is as bad as posting cringe. I’m not a priest, I am a paladin. Part priest, but mostly warrior. I am not restrained by social rules for what is polite or not, and the only man to whom I have to answer for my rudeness is Jim. I am more than willing to take advice, and I will often seek it out on my own. No warrior worth his salt stands alone, but we stand beside friends. Not aliens pretending to be brothers so that they can attack my religion and replace it with theirs, lying all the while. When I take advice, it will be from men like Jim, St. John, The Cominator, Aidan, KD et al. Not you.

              • Dharmicreality says:

                This was a fast evolving debate and led to heated exchanges on both sides.

                To me it seems Suones has tried to step down as gracefully as he can after making truce with Jim following agreement on Jim’s clarification on Westphalian peace being possible with a Hindu India.

                I get that it’s not possible to follow the entire debate I. This blog format without scrolling up and down.

                • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

                  The issue I have with that is that there is a common and persistent failure of the West to adequately run down its enemies. That gave us Mohammedan war for fourteen centuries, allowed the Puritans to escape and take over the world, and has resulted in innumerable missed opportunities to halt or reverse declines in our civilization. Jew-ones is not a friend, and is not a trustworthy party with whom we Westerners can collaborate.

                  He is getting raked over the coals, and so he is trying to surrender, like he has done before. This is not the first time he has done this, and so I intend to make sure that this drags out until he is ready to actually surrender or until his reputation is shit. I am pressing the attack so that I can run down an enemy. He got to choose to start this fight, but he does not get to choose when to end it. I do not feel like having this argument with him again in a few weeks when he thinks he can get away with it again.

                  So this is going to go on until Jew-ones admits that he was acting Jewy and twisting the truth, or until Jim gets tired of me and starts censoring my posts.

              • suones says:

                [*censored for unresponsiveness and for uninformative and stupid insults*]

                • jim says:

                  On moderation.

                  The material was wildly inflammatory, and muddied the waters. It was also stupid, ignorant, and uninformative. Your insults were the opposite of obvious reality, combining stupid ignorant childish abuse with sophistic Jewish gaslighting.

                • suones says:

                  Your house, your rules.

            • Dharmicreality says:

              International missionary Christianity has a long history of subverting India’s sovereignty and is acting at the behest of Harvard:
              https://www.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/books-christianity-and-the-debate-over-conversions-in-india/305381

              • jim says:

                Every state religion has a long history of subverting the the sovereignty of every other state religion.

                Peace of Westphalia was a deal between Christian princes after it turned massively lethal yet again, giving effect to “Peace on Earth to all men of goodwill” as it applies to international missionary activity by state religions.

                If Jewones had a state religion backing him, he would be peddling his western neopagan stuff twice as hard as he has been peddling it, and would have massive funding through a hundred quasi state organizations. There would be as many shills peddling it as there were (and still are, though considerably fewer) peddling progressivism in Russia.

                It is an intolerable problem. Needs distributed moderation.

                I was willing to debate his neopagan stuff, but he did not debate in good faith, and started acting like a shill, though obviously no one his paying him. The debate became repetitious, and soon turned ugly.

                Western paganism is long dead, do not remember it from when it was still healthy. The old gods died a long time ago starting with Pan, and Hinduism has been in a very bad way for a very long time. You are going to have to dig a lot deeper to find a healthy, sane and live Hinduism than I had to dig to find a healthy, sane and live Christianity. But probably not two millennia.

    • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

      Brother Suones, your combative energies would be better spent on our civilizational enemies, than backbiting fellow travelers.

      Criticism of fellows, where there are any to be made, can be more elegantly accomplished through criticism of an Other, the implication of extreme examples implicitly reflecting on others if applicable, giving them an excuse to ‘depersonalise’ the phenomena from their own conceptions of thedes they participate in, as True Scotsmen. To provide stools for men to get off their horses, in other words, where direct antagonism could prompt them to reflexively defend what they ought to renege.

      • Karl says:

        Well said.

        Considering that street-shitting is wide spread in Californian cities and is increasing in many Western-European cities as well I was quite surprised by the intense responses the remark about street-shitting triggered.

        • Kunning Drueger says:

          It’s an ongoing issue lol. A regular bout of unfortunate irregularity, ha ha.

          Hopefully not initiating another flare up, US street shitting appears to be confined to the ultra blue urban areas. Low IQ and excretion imperative always ends up somewhat shitty, so anywhere you have toddlers, drug addicts, and negroes without supervision, you’re going to have problems. But the US is quite large, something obvious to a lot of Americans and mysteriously lost on the rest of you lot. Additionally, because of excess capital, deep water port distribution, and population pressure, there are a lot of us far away from fellow States and big cities. Once upon a time, America was America. These days, many of us feel less connected to cities in general, and California in particular. So it really is a foreign problem, strange though that may be.

      • suones says:

        Excellent advice, well taken, greatly appreciated. Thank you, O wise one!

  30. I know I won’t convince the skeptics but street shitting in India is really largely a thing of the past:
    https://www.firstpost.com/politics/modi8-eight-flagship-schemes-of-pm-narendra-modi-government-and-how-they-changed-india-10711731.html

    Don’t go by WHO reports and Cathedral propaganda on India, because they all hate Modi and BJP. I know this should be obvious but I hope at least the genuine commenters here would consider this.

    • Whitey says:

      “Last year, however, a study conducted in Dharmapuri, a district in the state of Tamil Nadu that ranks the highest in the state for open defecation, offered a more pessimistic assessment. The study found that 55 percent chose to defecate in the open despite having access to a toilet, for reasons having to do either with the toilet’s construction or with personal preference or belief.”

      https://newrepublic.com/article/153549/indias-futile-war-open-defecation

      • Dharmicreality says:

        The fact that you quote a typical cathedral propaganda piece written by the feminist Rakia Zaharia is proof of your actual alignment and intentions.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafia_Zakaria

        • Dharmicreality says:

          * Rafia Zakaria.

          For the good faith commenters here: when Whitey starts quoting from articles written by well known feminist and anti-white activists you need to take notice. If he didn’t check the source, he ought to have.

          I am guessing “Whitey” is no more white than Obama is Christian.

          • Kunning Drueger says:

            Fact: there’s entirely too much street shitting in a country with a space program

            Fact: the previous fact is relevant to a number of topics

            Fact: that number of topics means that it will come up here

            So, we must consider the topic relevance when deciding if a Cathedral shill is D&Cing based on some of our tendencies toward disagreement OR someone unfamiliar with the community dynamics here thinks that poop habits are unknown/relevant/critical information.

            Whitey: yes, some Pajeets are not poo in loo capable. There are hilarious memes about this. We all know it, and it will be discussed when relevant. It is not relevant to theological discussions, but it is relevant to sanitation discussions.

            People Of Walmart is another hilarious source of memes. Every time I see anything like that, I get irritated. It’s just white hatred. But it’s also kinda true. So I have to temper my emotional response with a logical assessment, and that’s really hard for me.

            • Whitey says:

              > It is not relevant to theological discussions, but it is relevant to sanitation discussions.

              Right. Someone claimed that polio disappeared not because of vaccination but because of increased global cleanliness. I’m pointing out that wasn’t the case.

            • Why disbelieve official India government statistics but trust cathedral propaganda pieces written by feminist and admittedly anti-white propagandists who clearly hate Modi?

              • Whitey says:

                I don’t trust either. I trust my common sense, which tells me 500,000,000 Indians didn’t suddenly start religiously using toilets in just five or six years.

              • Doom says:

                Why trust either. Both have an agenda.

                Truth likely lies somewhere between the two.

            • someDude says:

              @Kunning

              Your anger is well founded. If the People of walmart thing was done in the spirit of getting the proles to take a look at themselves and thus improve themselves, then your anger would not be justified. However, people of walmart is done in malafide. It is hatred of your kin. And thus your anger is well founded.

        • The Ducking Man says:

          I have coworkers who had group vacation in India early 2010s, they really like talking the unpleasant smell as soon as they stepped outside international airport (they didn’t tell which airport) and how they basically held their nose almost the entire trip.

          It was good gag, but 10/10 they wouldn’t visit India ever again.

          Just my anecdote.

          • Dharmicreality says:

            In 2022 things have really changed. While not perfect, public cleanliness is a lot better than it used to be. Modi came to power in 2014.

            The cathedral has always been hostile to Modi for the same reasoning as they were to Trump. Hence propaganda tarnishing all his genuine achievements.

          • The only reason I’m taking all this effort to refute “whitey” is because some of the good faith commenters still believe that India has widespread street shitting based on downright false and malicious cathedral propaganda supported by globohomo organizations like WHO and/or outdated reports which is demonstrably false.

            • Frank Matters says:

              Why do you take responsibility for what the dalit niggers do? As if it’s any reflection on the higher lifeforms in your civilization?

              This is as if someone was spontaneously trying to defend the state of the blacks in america, oh no no no Trump really fixed them up they don’t really live in filth and torture anything they can get their hands on like a vicious chimp. It’s arguing from a weak, completely irrelevant frame.

              • The only reason is to discredit the outright false statistics. And also to show that this tactic is being used by certain shills to shut down the theological debates on the Aryan religion here.

                I know that suones pisses off the Christians here. And my own take is that the Christianity that we Hindus see is largely different from the traditional Christianity that you believe in.

                On sanitation Narendra Modi has really given his best efforts to deal with the problem of sanitation and though not perfect we who live here are seeing its effects and grateful.

                You’re right. Some sections of human race are beyond redemption.

              • Doom says:

                Same reason that a black man with a 135IQ will still argue that IQ tests showing an average of 75IQ in africa are “culturally biased”. It reflects on their race and race is an integral part of identity.

                (The same reason white liberals get up in arms about slavery and racism. You and your family never personally held a slave YES BUT WYPIPO DID…)

                It’s not a reflection on Dharmicreality being a bad or disingenuous person though. Just a person! We all have our biases.

                The hilarious part is everyone is right. It’s very likely that the West overstates the problem, and also that Modi lies about how well he’s done.

            • Ghost says:

              For what it’s worth, I believe you. If you say they don’t crap in the street, that’s good enough for me.

              Used to work network support with a bunch of Indians and not once did I see them take a dump in the street.

          • Kunning Drueger says:

            Before the Beijing Olympics, the State had to work very hard to curb spitting in street and the tendency of mothers to let young toddlers roam pantsless so they could poop with ease. Just an anecdote.

    • jim says:

      > street shitting in India is really largely a thing of the past:

      Your link says “launched by PM Modi in October last year with an aim … to make all urban local bodies open defecation free and those with a population of less than 1 lakh as open defecation free”

      But fails to provide any evidence of actual achievement of the aim of actual freeness from open defecation.

      Also the aim is only to make smaller cities free from street shitting – implying that the goal of making major cities free from street shitting is just too hard.

      • Dharmicreality says:

        It’s talking about the second phase of the project. Rural street shitting was a major concern and Modi handled it in the first phase. Urban, while still a problem has the infrastructure to deal with it while the rural infrastructure was a problem and still continues to be.

        But claiming that half of India still shits in the streets is demonstrably false.

        • jim says:

          > But claiming that half of India still shits in the streets is demonstrably false.

          Well then, show us that demonstration. Your link fails to show it.

          • Other than quoting the official stats, how can I prove anything of this widespread nature except my personal experience and that of my fellow Indians?

            All I can say is that in the past 10 years, I’ve seen with my own eyes that sanitation and cleanliness have largely improved. And the anecdotal experience of fellow travelers in all parts of india confirms my view.

            How does one prove the actual successful implementation of a large scale project like this? Anecdotal stories like this of not just government initiatives but community initiatives support my position

            https://yourstory.com/2018/01/swachh-bharat-success-stories/amp

            But these are just not widely reported or covered in mainstream media for obvious reasons.

            • alf says:

              Are we reading the same article?

              a report released by Ministry of Drinking Water and Sanitation stated that 62.5 percent or 400 of 640 districts continue to grapple with the menace open defecation.

              Despite increased government focus and dialogue around the issue, the problem of open defecation is far from solved. Over 50 percent of the toilets built remain unused and nearly 60 percent lack water supply,

              • That article was written in 2018, we are in 2022 today and considerable progress has been and is being made on the issue.

                All I want to say is that the success stories are being buried and the widespread community initiatives along with the official program have had quite a bit of success.

                • alf says:

                  I’ll take your word for it.

                • The reason I’m optimistic about this programme is that it is Modi’s flagship and his brainchild since coming to power, meaning that he was well aware of the problem and wanted to tackle it on a nation-wide scale. His Gujarat Chief Ministerial experience helped greatly.

                  He has spent considerable political capital and effort on this issue, though India’s usual Socialist policies slow it down considerably.

                  Yes, there are lots of problems with implementation at the State and District level, as the State Governments vary in enthusiasm based on their political affiliation. As even the official Government stats indicate only partial success in some states (which tell me that they are mostly honest) but there also lots of success stories.

                  Don’t forget that the Cathedral has lots of reasons to tarnish Modi and play down his achievements.

                • alf says:

                  Let’s hope the trend continues then.

                • someDude says:

                  @DharmicReality

                  Maybe you can clue in the Americans on their own long dead habit of Tobacco juice spitting all over the place, https://shannonselin.com/2017/05/american-habit-spitting-tobacco-juice/

                  Quite hilarious reading, Really.

                  They don’t do it anymore. Things change. I’m optimistic about India on this count atleast.

    • Calvin says:

      The fact that your people would street shit at all is really all that would ever need to be said, regardless of propaganda from one side or the other. If the government has to teach you where to poop you’re too retarded to exist on your own.

    • Aryaman says:

      I’m gonna take a different view on this. The way some toilets in India are, and probably all toilets available to the implicated population, shitting in the street is entirely preferable and what I would do if I were forced to choose.

      That said, walk around any city and literal shit on the street is not a problem anyone would notice. And things have gotten dramatically cleaner over the past 10 years or so.

      • Aryaman says:

        And to be clear, this is a fault of the implicated population not the failure of government or western NGOs to provide for better toilets.

  31. Doom says:

    This headline was frickin hilarious but the article is even better.

    https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/jacinda-ardern-targets-keyboard-warriors-in-harvard-commencement-speech/ar-AAXM7j1?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=d95a222d1cee48c19c011c2ecd7013b0

    I’d make a bunch of comments but I don’t need to, it has all the right elements for maximum keks.

  32. Anonymous Fake says:

    [*deleted for taking rigged elections at face value*]

    • Anonymous Fake says:

      [*deleted*]

      • jim says:

        Since 2020, I only read election outcomes to determine what message the New York Times is sending

        • ExileStyle says:

          The results for Kemp over Perdue (74%-23%) in GA suggest that we might have moved beyond “stuffing a few thousand ballots in close races” fraud to full-blown banana republic made-up numbers fraud.

          I mean, it would be one thing if Perdue was some uncouth raging rabble-rouser, but he is a former sitting US senator for god’s sake, an establishment Republican with a well-funded campaign endorsed by Trump positioned against the most suspect fraud-enabler in the country. He should have at least been in striking distance, if not winning by a lot. But 23%? Some no-name rando off the street could have gotten than much as a simple anti-Kemp protest vote. It’s like they wanted to delete any suspicion in advance.

          A counterargument is that Marjorie Taylor Greene won her primary, so I can’t state anything affirmatively. Maybe they realized her district is so conservative anyways the marginal value of fraud was minimal.

          And what a coincidence that again it’s Georgia and Pennsylvania fucking shit up. C’mon man!

          • The Cominator says:

            The more notable result was that Raffensperger won his primary, Kemp has Republican defenders as he was a very very early opponent of lockdowns…

            But NOBODY likes Raffensperger.

          • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

            >A counterargument is that Marjorie Taylor Greene won her primary

            They’re not worried about women.

            • The Cominator says:

              No its that the fraud is in some counties and precincts and not others.

              I suspect that Perdue did much better outside Atlanta then in it, and Raffensperger outright won almost no Republican votes outside Atlanta (and maybe a couple other urban areas) where he somehow won 90% of the vote.

              PS: The only thing Sherman did wrong in regards to Atlanta is not totally leveling it with the ground and sowing the ground with salt ala Carthage.

              • ExileStyle says:

                Nope, pretty consistent across the board: https://www.politico.com/2022-election/results/georgia/

                Raffensberger won every region except a bloc in the northeast.

                So we’re to believe that rural Georgians, America’s beloved Dixie-hearted Appalachian hillbillies, have suddenly transformed into establishment globalist McConnel Republicans and faithful New York Times readers? This all stinks to high heaven.

                Buckle up folks.

                • Pooch says:

                  Georgia is an open primary which means Democrats voted en masse (either fake or legist I’m not sure) for Kemp/Raffensberger.

                  Not the case in Pennsylvania which is why Mastriano dominated in the PA primary.

                  Open primaries are set up for the specific purpose of protecting Uniparty candidates.

                • ExileStyle says:

                  >Georgia is an open primary

                  Okay, fair enough. I’m not sure how many Democrats even exist in rural Georgia, and doubt it’s enough to push Raffensberger into the 60%+ range, but the optimist in me is willing to suspend judgment.

          • jim says:

            I am seeing grossly and blatantly fraudulent results from right around the Global American Empire. No one was doing it 2020 until the Presidential election,, maybe no one was doing it in most of 2021. And then, suddenly across the board everywhere, massive banana republic levels of fraud everywhere in 2022.

            The fraud is intended to maintain the uniparty – power gets alternated between Tweedledum and Tweedledee, but both Tweedledum and Tweedledee are grossly unpopular with their respective party bases, who desert to “minor” parties, and “minor” parties are excluded by more or less open fraud.

            I said things were going to accelerate. But for quite a while everything seemed mighty quiet. No acceleration apparent. For a bit over a year, contrary to my prediction that things would go wild in a few months, all quiet.

            Things just accelerated, right across the Global American Empire.

            • ExileStyle says:

              Yeah, we’re probably going to see a number of 50-50 “nailbiters” decided after hours in races everyone thought were solid red (just like the Georgia senate races in 2020), and then outrageous Kemp-Perdue Venezuela-like numbers in any race previously considered a toss-up, which will mean the press need not even address them at all. Dems, “driven to the polls in unexpected numbers by the repeal of Roe v. Wade and demands for gun control” will increase their margins in the House and Senate and then the BBB beast rises from the grave and Operation 2024 commences with yet more frightful beasts to come.

              The narrative of a coming Red Wave was probably allowed (or even encouraged) to flourish these past few months to calm down the peasants a bit and restore a little imaginary faith and hope.

              I truly hope I’m wrong, but if Georgia and Pennsylvania have yet to even mildly get their shit together, we can only assume the Beast’s capabilities have expanded rather than contracted, and we’re in for outcomes jaw-dropping in their fictionality.

              • Pooch says:

                I am still expecting a Red Wave, but it will be a Red Wave of RINOs like Kemp defeating Stacy Abrams. Non-establishment candidates like Mastriano will be for the most part excluded.

                Ultimately, establishment Republicans in control of Congress and states has little effect except as a morale boost for conservatives who think they are winning. Policy differences between liberal Republicans or liberal Democrats in nominal control matter not. The Uniparty rules regardless of who is nominally in office.

          • Pooch says:

            Georgia is an open primary. Stacy Abrams ran unopposed so Democrats voted en masse for Kemp. Open primaries are specifically engineered to protect Uniparty interests.

  33. Neofugue says:

    > I couldn’t care less about what depredations proles are up to as long as they are fed, healthy, and fertile. Disease eradication has been a WHO plot to undermine society from the beginning. But we’re not obstinate about it.

    Disgusting. Revolting. Gross.

    Apparently it is “obstinate” to be concerned with tens of millions of your own people not using basic sanitation.

    Your whole mission on this blog since you returned from whatever you would refer to as a “sewer” has been to demoralize the commentariat and its readers. You started off by attempting to mislead us into thinking that Putin views Orthodox Christians as second class compared to Muslims, and now you are bringing back da joos as if you expect us to believe that the creation of Talmudic Judaism had anything to do with the development of the Church and her doctrines centuries before.

    As examples of demoralization:

    Just like Charles II’s “victory” was but a temporary interlude in the March of Progress, so will “reaction,” even if all your dreams come true.
    Christian generals also betrayed the Tsar for Menshevism

    On the latter point, the Russian elite drifted towards Leftism in the latter half of the 19th century. The Christian generals who remained in power after 1917 were purged and/or shot.

    I do not speak for every man in the West, but I do in fact appreciate the fact that I can walk the streets without smelling fecal matter everywhere. For the most part, our niggers are potty-trained, the niggers our missionaries convert become potty-trained, and our potty-trained niggers potty-train their niglets. Why should anyone take your demonic Pagan religion seriously if Progs keep their niggers cleaner and more dignified than you keep your proles?

    Regarding the subject of academic integrity, it is important to point out the positives of systems and ideologies which one does not like. Even the most rabid Leftist can point out how Mussolini kept the trains running on time. There is value in Hindu caste-system terminology, and there are many interesting and insightful Hindu commentators that have been linked to on this blog. There are many good things found in Pagan traditions of other countries, such as the ie system of Shinto Japan. The WHO, for all of the recent Covid demon worship, is not wrong for advocating proper sanitation. On the other hand, all you have shown is hatred and vitriol against Christianity–which is expected since we conquered you–but at the very least, do not defend the disgusting depredations of your proles.

    • Aidan says:

      To quibble with a point, many of our niggers are not potty-trained. The appalling state of public bathrooms in the US correlates very strongly with how much diversity is in the area; you’d be shocked by the proportion of browns who do not know or care to use a toilet. It is not a matter of intelligence but of affinity with filth; the lower orders of humanity enjoy smearing their shit around in the same way that a monkey flings its feces. Deep down, the demi-human knows of its own incapacity, ugliness, and the burden it imposes on others. They identify with their own shit, feel camaraderie with their excrement, and enjoy imposing it on the world. For the same reason, there is a very high proportion of niggers that do not shower or brush their teeth.

      This is something that BAP got right; the lowest orders of humanity love filth and squalor. Even hunter-gatherers are clean and practice hygiene; this is a result of urbanity giving rise to a level of “human” that would never be able to survive without it. When you are poor and have contact with the welfare caste, you realize that Lovecraftian horrors walk among us and are more numerous than most possibly imagine- multigenerational welfare nests are all over the place, morlock breeding pits of staggering depravity.

      • Adam says:

        What we create is a reflection of what is inside of us. From our fruit we shall be known.

      • Neofugue says:

        My in-person interaction with niggers is limited to tokens in my profession and the occasional cab driver/waiter/service worker, but in my experience traveling through black-populated areas though there is litter everywhere there is never human feces.

        I am unfamiliar with the types of niggers you describe, but at least the filth is confined to those public restrooms and not on the street.

        • Kunning Druegger says:

          Oh, it’s there. A confounding factor might be the urban whites and legions of city workers that try to clean up the urban hellscape. Negro dense cities and third world cities are almost exactly the same, but the Negro ones have white servants.

        • Pax Imperialis says:

          “My in-person interaction with niggers is limited to tokens in my profession and the occasional cab driver/waiter/service worker,”

          Good God you are sheltered! As unimpressive as black cab driver/waiter/service worker are, they do come from the top percentiles of the black population. You’ve clearly never observed the bottom half in their natural urban environment… not that I wish that on anyone!

          One only needs look at Californian cities to know what the streets would look like without enforcement. As Kunning Druegger points out there are a legion of city workers that try to clean up. On top of that, public defecation is against the law in most southern and midwestern states and enforced rigorously by police. Without law enforcement and sanitation services, US cities would have designated shitting streets just like India. I’ve read that South African blacks shit into the elevator shafts in the cities that Whites fled from after the end of apartheid, that’s not so dissimilar to what would happen in America should White Americans stop enforcing standards.

          “Progs keep their niggers cleaner and more dignified than you keep your proles?”

          At what cost? It’s not the progressives that keep those people clean. It’s an army of working class Whites with guns who have to risk life and limb everyday in order to keep the inner cities relatively civilized all the while being demonized and persecuted by the progs. That is a far more demonic practice than the Hindu tendency of leaving the dysfunctional to do as they will on their reservation.

          Think of India as a South Asian version of South Africa. Small cognitive elite surrounded by an ocean of dysfunction. Too much dysfunction to deal with so the best that can be done is to wall yourself off from the rest of the population and keep them out of the nice areas.

          • Neofugue says:

            Unsure of the current laws, but in NYC under Giuliani every shopkeeper had the responsibility of keeping the sidewalk outside his store free of garbage and debris.

            Likewise, Americans are responsible for keeping blacks from turning cities filthy. Demonizing working-class Whites is evil, but that does not mean that blacks should be left entirely to their own devices. If we are going to keep blacks in this country, we ought to clean up their messes, ensuring that they adhere to basic living standards even if not desiring it.

            This is not altruistic, for if blacks are given the option to cover their cities in feces, then blacks will spread feces everywhere they go. There is only so much a country can wall-off its underclass from the rest of society.

            • Whitey says:

              > If we are going to keep blacks in this country,

              It boggles the mind that anyone ever thought this was a good idea.

  34. Kunning Druegger says:

    based hacker gods of Jim’s Blog: Please build me a twitter for just us so i can annoy you all with my puerile humor, misguided hot takes, and catastrophically incorrect augury. Lmk when it is ready, I’m assuming you’ll need a few days to write the codes.

    • Adam says:

      I often think we need a regular forum like v-bulletin style to expand to. Get into more in depth Bible study, study of history. Establish our frame.

      Hard part is hosting. After that is moderating. Going to have to make that leap at some time though.

      • Frank Matters says:

        The hard part is coding. I would really like to see even a semi-broken implementation of jim’s social media https://reaction.la/security/social_networking.html

        The ideas for moderation in there alone are truly brilliant. Namespaces and chat type stuff is slowly emerging as blockchains scale, I expect to see workable and censorship resistant blockchain website hosting soon, at which point we need to actually code up the scheme in that doc. Users will follow if the medium and the content is good.

        • jim says:

          Right now, completely broken. As soon as is merely semi broken and unusable for any useful purpose, I will create a public gitea repository. The git repository is already in useful form for third parties (README.html, NOTICE.html, LICENSE.html, and code of conduct but the code is not.

          • Frank Matters says:

            I am in my own life busy getting things ready for IRL primetime, but I should definitely assist. Really, even something as simple as a uncensorable reddit/twitter with non-troid modding, actual user sovereignty, with easy ability to host your own discussion page, would be a sort of heaven for discourse. Not your full scheme for narrow and boradcast, but a workable system with a simple scheme that can be put up as soon as possible to get battle tested as soon as possible.

            P.S., perhaps you should consider this for your licensing https://plusnigger.autism.exposed/

            • Kunning Druegger says:

              Thank you for the belly laugh.

            • Maverick says:

              If looking for something to try out that begins to have the right shape, see Manyverse (https://www.manyver.se/) that uses the Scuttlebutt protocol (https://staltz.com/an-off-grid-social-network.html). Jim is fond of Bitmessage and it is quite secure, but it has a big weakness in that it needs to flood every message to all nodes in the world so everyone can try their private key to see if it works for decryption. That won’t scale. (Can’t avoid passing every message on to all callers even if you know it’s yours, as you don’t want to let someone snooping see that you absorbed a message which is an information disclosure.)

              Instead Manyverse and Scuttlebutt allow for publishing and reputation for a public key. The world can see what a key (its author really) publishes. Can publish public posts like a blog, signed by the private key for authenticity and verifiability. Also can publish private messages (DMs), visible to the world but whose contents are encrypted. Weakness in private messages is that the recipient public key is visible on the message – good for routing and avoiding testing every message, bad for privacy. Would be better to have a 3rd mode, private for “someone” but you have to test your private key to see if it’s for you. That should not be hard to add to Scuttlebutt and Manyverse.

              Reputation is similar to what Jim has proposed: You can specify a list of primary keys/people (friends) you want to listen to and watch. You can also in the interface specify how many degrees of separation you want to see outward from your friends – the public messages from their friends and friends’ friends. Presumably specifying 6 degrees gets you Kevin Bacon and the rest of the Manyverse. You can also block friends’ friends so their connections are not visible to you – so if you don’t like a friend’s friend you at least don’t have to listen any more.

              Another advantage is that Manyverse works in a sometimes-connected universe: Turn off your computer or phone for days, turn back on, catch up to messages. You realy don’t even have to be on the public Internet, you could sneakernet or local/private-net messages which is nice for, say, messaging in a disaster or SHTF scenario where you have a local wifi network while the main network connections are down. Bitmessage has a decay/lifetime for messages that means you need to be connected at least every 2-3 days.

              Biggest weakness is hosting. Your service can be hosted by 3rd parties like any service, and you can host your own. Given the legal landscape as well as susceptibility to censorship via DDoS and hack attacks, you want to have your own server. There are some public servers but sensibly they don’t want a rando or glowie from the net jumping on there to drop dank memes. But hosting is nontrivial to carve out your own network bubble that can see the Internet (at least periodically) while being fully patched and DDoS resistant.

              Of course missing from this from Jim’s long list of plans are DDoS protection, a name service that provides name mapping to key hierarchies for messaging and direct communications, and a coin tie-in. But Manyverse at least has the right shape for passing someone a message with a payment inside, while using a distributed network and sometimes connection with store-and-forward to let you avoid censorship-as-network-damage. A sovereign corporation can also message publicly or privately using its own sovereign name and key hierarchy and private ledger-coin.

              The net is vast and deep. Maybe we need to start cobbling these pieces together. The era of centralized censorship needs to end. Musk will likely lose either way, and he’s only one man against the might of so many paper tigers that happen to be winning the information war.

  35. Basil says:

    In Russia there is not only marriage, but also fatherhood.

    A court in St. Petersburg decided to send a Russian girl from Russia to Australia to live with a “lesbian mother” who had involved her in sexual relations with her mistress. It sounds shocking, but judge Tatyana Pavlovna Matusyak made just such a decision. The girl is only 8 years old, she was born in Australia, her parents divorced, and her mother “became a lesbian”. The girl’s father found out that perverts were corrupting his daughter and took her to Russia to live with relatives. Prior to that, they lived in Australia.

    Lesbian mother appealed to her court, stating that her ex-husband is homophobic, does not allow her daughter to watch videos about homosexual relationships and TV shows with transgender people, has a negative attitude towards the promotion of same-sex marriage (does not buy cookies with LGBT support), does not allow the child to develop in traditions such relationships. The Australian court decided: to return the girl. The father filed a counterclaim in a Russian court to limit the rights of the ex-wife. But the mother hired Russian LGBT-friendly lawyers who filed a lawsuit with reference to the Hague Convention on “Child Abduction”, and Judge Matusyak ruled that the child should be sent to Australia to be with lesbians within 48 hours. After the court decision, the father and the girl decided to hide from such “justice”.

    There are many photos on social networks where she is with her father and looks very happy, a small child cannot be forced to imitate. In addition, both father and daughter have long been citizens of the Russian Federation, the girl goes to a Russian school

    https://47news.ru/articles/212530/

    • Cataclysm Reawake says:

      “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea.”

      Thanks for the whitepill

    • Neurotoxin says:

      Is she still with her father because (1) law enforcement has refused to enforce the judge’s order or it was overruled by a higher court, or (2) because the Dad and daughter have successfully hidden?

      These aren’t the same thing.

    • Skippy says:

      Sounds like Russia returned the girl because it was bound to do so by a treaty rather than based on the merits of the case.

      A treaty which Russia also relies on to protect the rights of Russian foreign adoptees (if you were actually Russian you would know that).

  36. A2 says:

    “Michael Miebach, CEO of Mastercard told an audience of blockchain executives that he expects SWIFT to phase out of existence in as little as five years’ time. … Later, a Mastercard spokesperson downplayed Miebach’s comments in an email statement”

    https://cointelegraph.com/news/swift-probably-won-t-exist-in-5-years-mastercard-ceo

    Tsk tsk, loose lips sink SWIFT, Michael.

    It would actually be clever to upgrade SWIFT into something more modern and more technologically sophisticated now that they have ruined the nice old cash cow. Doing so might serve as a way to shut out the Russian and Chinese solutions. Or we might see some competition.

    • Kunning Druegger says:

      https://hiddencomplexity.substack.com/p/beyond-mathematical-probability-0?s=r

      From the article: “To be very very very clear I do not expect the world to end, but we are about to experience drastic changes in most aspects of life, in the end, it will be for the better, but for a short while, it might be painful and unpleasant if you are not used to a more frugal lifestyle. Stocking food, and getting prepared is merely a hedge from my perspective, good risk assessment, and risk mitigation and not “THE WORLD IS GOING TO END OMG”. At the very least you will save money and keep your quality of life by doing simple preparation.

      I don’t share political opinions here (mostly because in my opinion there is no political solution to any of this), but from a socio-cultural and political perspective, this is a necessary road to travel. Politics is a stale thing for far too long and change needs to be forced upon. And so is changes in the elites.”

      • Adam says:

        Self-discipline is one of the things that everyone here should be on there way to mastering. Once you get used to living on little, it’s quite liberating. There is almost nobody truly poor or truly hungry in the west. If we were lead by the sane, a recession would not be so impactful. The excess in the lives of most is mountainous.

  37. Chad says:

    Offtopic: What are the commenters opinions on germ theory and Pasteur vs terrain theory?

    Terrain theory seems slightly crazy to me, but in the last few years with covid and the jab, I’ve seen people online claim that the wiping out of many old diseases via vaccine coincided with increased cleanliness, which seems a potentially plausible refutation to germ theory.

    Additionally, since milk was consumed for thousands of years without pasteurizing it just fine, I am partial to think that, given a healthy cow (which probably do not exist in the West anymore), pastuerization is probably useless too.

    Any thoughts?

    • Guy says:

      Terrain theory, my understanding anyway, says that the primary factors that decide whether or not you will get sick from a particular pathogen, are the condition of the immune system, genetic makeup of the person, etc….

      Some truthers like to twist Pasteur’s quote that “the terrain is everything” and the general framework of the theory to deny completely that there are pathogens at all.

    • Karl says:

      Pateurization is useful, because some cows are not healthy or might not be healthy. Pasteuristion makes sure you don’t get brucellosis.

      Maybe you wouldn’t get brucellosis anyway, but the thing about terrain theory is that you cannot choose your terrain nor change your genetic makeup.

    • Whitey says:

      > I’ve seen people online claim that the wiping out of many old diseases via vaccine coincided with increased cleanliness, … Any thoughts?

      Yes, those people are retards.

      Half of India’s 1.5 billion people still shit in the street. Polio didn’t disappear because of cleanliness.

      The clot shots being shit doesn’t mean all vaccines are shit.

      • Ah, the “Indians dirty street shitters” shilling back in force after we start a debate on Aryanism and the old gods on this blog.

        Definitely a mere coincidence.

        • Whitey says:

          “A new World Health Organisation (WHO) report says more than half a billion people in India still ‘continue to defecate in gutters, behind bushes or in open water bodies, with no dignity or privacy’.”

          https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-27775327

          I’ll repeat: Polio didn’t disappear because of cleanliness.

        • suones says:

          That a shill script exists that uniquely targets us on this blog, of all places, tells me that Dushta Sora/Eye of Soros is watching. This is funny because even Anglin has been weaned off this rhetoric by the USSR border skirmish.

          • Kunning Druegger says:

            The fact remains that defecation is an actual issue in the sub-continent, and it will be brought up when relevant (as it was in this specific instance), but most often when you start marching through our intellectual village and attempt to burn our icons.

            Paganism is a dead end for us moon crickets. Christianity is the best possible tool for us. Consider: if we instantiate the Restoration, reorder our society, and begin the Great Journey, would you appreciate us beginning a new missionary program in India? Would you through down your gods because of our winning and dominant position? As you put so eloquently elsewhere, that would be spiritual cuckoldry.

            Don’t cry out in pain after you hit us. It makes you seem… nosey.

            • suones says:

              As Andre Wang Lin put it, India is a caste-based society. The people shitting the streets are not the ones running things. I couldn’t care less about what depredations proles are up to as long as they are fed, healthy, and fertile. Disease eradication has been a WHO plot to undermine society from the beginning. But we’re not obstinate about it. We only implement those which give direct military benefits. Eradication of smallpox was one, polio another. Even for COVID, our own Covaxin tradvax has proven surprisingly effective and safe, unlike the foreign/Oxford Covishield, and far unlike the poison Pfizer.

              Attacking old, dilapidated windmills is sad.

              Old Gods never “die” out, because they don’t “live” in the first place, being gods. Just as the Mexican Old Gods/Cortez’s Demons have started awakening, so will Europe’s. To be honest I’m not really worried about the challenge from Old Type Christians. If you adopt caste society in all but name, as UK was from 16th to 19th centuries, there will be no conflict. East India Company had a simple plan — we paid them off, they did their stuff, stayed in their own clubs, prayed in their own churches, and trade made us all very rich. It was only as Britain got converged that the missionary zeal started, by the late 18th-early 19th century, culminating in the British proto-SJWs capturing EIC entirely using a “mutiny” as an excuse in 1857. I have little good to say about Christians, but I’ll say this — they didn’t demolish my temples to build their Churches, unlike what happened in Britain and Europe. I’m sure isolated incidences of conversion happened, but it wasn’t organised.

              I’m more concerned about Baphomet. When we have secured Bharat, restored Persia to its rightful heirs our Zoroastrian brothers, and squeezing Arabia for the final purification of the Temple of Al’Lah and His pantheon and purging of filth, what will your armies do? Will you seize the day, come to agreement with us, and establish Jerusalem as a neutral city, or will you cuck out like the French and side with Baphometans against Dharmic Mongols, while fake-Crusading against them[1]? Even knowing that the Baphometans will immediately turn upon you?

              > nosey
              Cool the antisemitism, bro! The Old Testament specifically mentions “long nosed” god!

              [1] The French went a step further and, to hide their shame and crimes, executed their premier Crusaders in the Knights Templar on false pretexts.

              • jim says:

                > Just as the Mexican Old Gods/Cortez’s Demons have started awakening, so will Europe’s.

                Christianity is more converged in America than in Mexico. But the old gods still sleep the sleep of the dead, while in Mexico they walk the earth again.

                The Old Gods of the west died before Christianity took over. In the first century, the news of Pan’s death, the rest followed soon after.

                Thor/Zeus/Jupiter/Indra was the greatest of the Old Gods, and not a demon, but I am pretty sure he is no more.

                The Old Gods of Mexico are unmistakably and obviously demons, without the slightest ambiguity. Trickster Gods are always demons trying to pass. The old gods of Mexico make no attempt to pass.

                You think you worship the old gods of the Aryans. Have you offered food to Indra? Nah, you rationalize Krishna, a trickster God, for Indra is no more. The Old Gods, such of them as were not demons, are gone from India, as they are gone from the west. Your faith is running on fumes.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Kali was always the most unambigious demon in Hinduism…

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A2JZxvpRsI

                • Pooch says:

                  It’s interesting that in Emperor Augustus’s speech to the married men of Rome as recorded by Cassius Dio, he mentions God, the Father in a way that looks mighty Christian already in the 1st century BC. Could just be an invention by Cassius Dio though, hard to say..

                  Let me turn your eyes from your Fa∣thers, to the Father of us all, the first and most high God; he hath divided humane nature into two Sexes, the Male and Female;

                  https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo2/A81487.0001.001/1:2.1?rgn=div2;view=fulltext

                • The Cominator says:

                  The Religion of the Roman Elite was heavily influenced by various intellectual strands of Greek Philosophy (some of which is probably lost today) which posited an uncaused cause creator God and not merely the synthesis between the old Roman spirits and the Olympian greek gods.

                • To be honest Indra is still worshipped.

                  On the street shitting part, for the benefit of the reasonable commentariat here Narendra Modi and the BJP has done some great work in this regard:

                  https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/expect-better-infrastructure-sewage-cleaning-sanitation-this-year-in-lucknow/articleshow/91823333.cms

                  The Western press won’t report this of course because Modi is “evil fascist Nazi Hindu dictator”.

                  It’s amazing that you guys still take cathedral propaganda on India so seriously.

                  Debate us on the old gods, but please don’t encourage this specific kind of shilling because it completely destroys the debate and the focus.

                • jim says:

                  > Indra is still worshiped.

                  The ancient Aryan practice being to offer him something to eat. And then, since it was still good food, eat it themselves with appropriate awe and respect, as in a family gathering with an awesome guest.

                  I take it nobody does this any more. Not seeing any temples etc to Indra. Albeit the appropriate unit of worship was the broadly extended family, and the urban temple takeover and urban priesthood became a hostile intrusion.

                  Don’t tell us you are still the ancient Aryan religion, while Christianity is a hostile intrusion, when you, like us, after the lesser Gods died, focused on the creator God – or demons.

                  If you keep calling out the fact that Christianity comes through the Hebrews, I am going to keep pointing out that it is a mighty long way from the original Aryan religion to Hinduism.

                  I want productive debate between based westerners, old type Christians, and based Hindus. Some of your contributions, and many of the words you use, are apt to generate heat rather light. I appreciate that you are rightly pissed off because we conquered you, but please piss elsewhere.

                • We certainly aren’t the ancient Aryan religion my point is that but many aspects of it still meaningfully live in Hinduism.

                  Offering of food to the gods still exist in Hindu worship but as you say the focus shifted from Indra to the Creator Gods. But ancestral worship is still present in Hinduism.

                  You refuse to take at face value my claims about my own worship. How can this be a productive debate?

                • jim says:

                  > as you say the focus shifted from Indra to the Creator Gods.

                  The western neopagans are trying to revive the old Gods, Thor/Zeus/Jupiter/Indra chief among them. Not having much luck. Don’t encourage them, it is obviously not working. And don’t tell us it is working for Hindus when that is not what Hinduism has been for well over two millennia. The original Aryan gods are as dead for you as they are for us.

                  > You refuse to take at face value my claims about my own worship.

                  What have I doubted?

                  I asked you if you engaged in a ritual of worship of the old gods we know the original Ayrans did. You answered evasively. If you don’t like my uncharitable reading of your answer, clarify rather than complaining.

                • jim says:

                  > We certainly aren’t the ancient Aryan religion my point is that but many aspects of it still meaningfully live in Hinduism.

                  We disagree on what is meaningful and what matters. Your connection to the ancient Aryan religion is as proforma, tenuous, and fake as the sixth century Jewish connection to preHasmodean Judaism.

                  The old gods do not live in us, nor do they live in you.

                • Food offering is still part of our rituals. Not specifically to Indra though, Indra is treated as one among many devas and rishis and implicitly invoked. In that respect you are right that Hindus don’t specifically worship Indra.

                  But food offering to our creator gods and to ancestors is still a regular feature of Hindu worship.

                  I already admitted that Hinduism doesn’t match ancient Aryan religion in practice but retain some characteristics of them.

                • Frank Matters says:

                  On Indra and Zeus:

                  What do you think on the genealogy of Archangel Michael and Vajrapani? The religious icons and their roles are neatly congruent. They take the same poses, right arm raised ready to strike Satan beneath: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Guido_Reni_031.jpg/170px-Guido_Reni_031.jpg
                  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Vajrapani_American_Museum_of_Natural_History.jpg

                  Their own creation stories differ, but the role they play in the cosmic order is the same in all cases. I don’t think worship of our protector, he who weilds the Wrath of God against evil, has ever disappeared.

              • Whitey says:

                > As Andre Wang Lin put it, India is a caste-based society. The people shitting the streets are not the ones running things.

                As I said, India’s “elites” are even more useless than ours. We only have to step over shit in a few cities. Incidentally, our dirtiest city is full of Indians. Coincidence, I’m sure.

                > I couldn’t care less about what depredations proles are up to as long as they are fed, healthy, and fertile.

                Nothing says “healthy population” like streets full of human shit.

                Why anyone would want street-shitters to be fertile is a mystery.

                • Kunning Druegger says:

                  [*unproductive insult deleted*]

                • jim says:

                  Whitey’s comment was relevant, informative, and not stupid.

                  And if it had not been, a reply with explanation of why it was irrelevant, unproductive, and stupid would have been more useful

                • Neofugue says:

                  Whitey is a prole from the left side of the curve.

                  The sentiment that Whitey is trying to express, as someone with a basic sense of cleanliness and human dignity, is that a Hindu should not be spewing vitriolic anti-Christian garbage on a predominantly White comments section when he cannot clean his own streets of feces.

                • Whitey says:

                  Whitey is eligible for Mensa via multiple avenues, but thanks for playing.

                • Whitey says:

                  > I eagerly await something interesting and constructive from you. I have no doubt that I will soon be rewarded for my patient optimism.

                  How are you here 24/7? Don’t you claim to be some sort of farmer/homesteader? The farmer/homesteader types I know barely have time to eat dinner. You, on the other hand, have time to post 10,000 words per day here. Strange.

                • Kunning Drueger says:

                  Whitey’s comment was far more personal in its attack than mine. But, he did repost it, so I can’t really complain.

                  I know 10,000 words is a lot for a public school educated prole. You’d probably wet your pants if you saw the comments I delete instead of posting.

                  It’s nearly impossible to homestead without a revenue stream that isn’t farm related. I happened into a job that allows me to sit on the computer and watch guys like you come and go. It will last as long as it does, and my posting habits will conform to that schedule. I am neither embarrassed nor ashamed of the large amounts of time I get to be here.

                  Meaning no insult whatsoever, I eagerly await your contributions, friend. I know you’ve got something to give, and I look forward to luxuriating in it, should that auspicious moment arrive.

                • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

                  I like the cut of Whitney’s jib. I am always a fan of a good insult, and he does cut to the chase.

              • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

                When Christians burn the last Muslim on fire kindled by the last Koran, then Jerusalem is ours. No one else’s. I certainly refuse to side with Muslims against any other human, but I am not sharing Jerusalem with Hindus any more than I would demand you share your holy sites and cities.

          • Whitey says:

            Protest all you want, but India is a filthy place full of filthy people.

        • Oog en Hand says:

          Nukes are more important than toilets. If you have nukes, you can force people to give you toilets. Sweden doesn’t have nukes. India can force Sweden to provide toilets.

          Priorities, priorities…

      • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

        You’re tipping your hand with the subtle vaxcuckery feddyboi.

        Anyways, as to ‘germ vs terrain’, both are reductionisms; it is plainly obvious that health in general has influence over ability to fight off colonizations by deleterious microbes in particular. Every body has a ‘recovery level’ that is influenced by various factors, which is ‘spent’ on recovering from stressors, which can be various things; whether fatigue, damage, contaminants, cacobiotics, and indeed more psychic stressors as well.

        • Whitey says:

          Saying the “clot shots are shit” is “subtle vaxcuckery”?

          You’re tipping your low IQ.

          • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

            “Sure this thing in particular is bad, but it’s just an exception, the broader system as a whole is still generally good.”

            Repeat in detail for literally everything the system does, and you have the normie epistemology.

            • Whitey says:

              > “Sure this thing in particular is bad, but it’s just an exception, the broader system as a whole is still generally good.”

              The “broader vaccine system” is, in fact, “still generally good.”

              As Jim has pointed out, the more recent the vaccine, the more likely it’s bad, but only a retard tries to tell people the polio or measles or mumps vaccines are stupid.

              • jim says:

                The HPV vaccine was a hostile enemy operation intended to harm the recipients, and the recent flu vaccines are dangerous and ineffectual, though not nearly as dangerous and ineffectual as the clot shot.

                Older vaccines are still useful, and some the diseases they prevent quite dangerous, but keep being replaced by vaccines of questionable usefulness and effectiveness.

                The Gates developed and manufactured vaccines are dangerous and stupid, created to earn brownie points with the priesthood, rather than to prevent dangerous illness.

                • simplyconnected says:

                  On the clot shot, Mike Yeadon (former Pfizer chief scientist of some sort) now believes it’s a straight depopulation tool (designed as such). Reason being it otherwise makes no sense to give to pregnant women (with essentially no prior testing), and to children (who don’t get sick from the virus).

                  Here’s a similar horrifying conclusion, with a different argument: when you deworm you have to attack all stages of the worms at once, otherwise the spared stage (say the eggs) will then grow and start a new generation of the same size as before. Similarly, to depopulate, must attack all stages of humans, including pregnant women and children. It’s horrific to think, but I think it’s an argument for it being designed for depopulation.

                • simplyconnected says:

                  (I forgot to add recovered people, who are also pressured into getting the injections)

                  Note a counter-argument is that they simply inject everyone to get them on their vaxpass digital ID system. Yeadon argues that they could’ve easily used something innocuous if that was the only purpose of the injections.

              • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                Vaccine technology peaked with the vaccinia virus, and it’s been all downhill since then. The term itself has been debased with sophistical inflation. Vaccination involves a specific kind of technique, with respect to a specific kind of organism; the number of interventions out there today that are all called vaccines that are actually vaccines can be counted on your fingers, with perhaps a few toes for insurance.

                The polio virus exists naturally in your alimentary canal. Sometime around the turn of the 20th century onwards, we started seeing widespread cases in people of the virus migrating from the gut to the spinal column; whereas, for tens of thousands of years of humans living and dying theretofore, noone had ever seen such a phenomena.

                The most eyebrow raising question about this picture is not whether inoculation is a useful modality for palliation of such a condition, but rather, the question of what started happening around that time frame to cause it in the first place.

              • Karl says:

                Whether polio or measels or mumps vaccines procuced 40 years ago were beneficial is beside the point. Only vaccines available are those recently manufactured.

                They are different. In part, because manufacturing changed and in part because you can’t these old type vaccines anymore whitout a bunch of different vaccines.

                In the EU there is no vaccine for measels only available anymore. There is only a cocktail of several vaccines. Maybe the cocktail is beneficial, but I’ve heard that claim only from people who also say that the clot shot is beneficial.

                Questioning the safety of these vaccine mixtures get’s people in trouble. Hence, it is impossible to address any problems that arise from modern manufacturing of old vaccines if there are any. If these safety impairing problems aren’t there yet, they will soon be.

        • Adam says:

          Testosterone is the real vaxx for middle age men and up. Not that it helps fight germs necessarily, it helps you fight *everything* and recover quickly.

          • Whitey says:

            I do everything possible to maintain my T levels, but the average American man’s T was almost twice as high back when polio was killing middle-aged men.

            • Adam says:

              It’s not a cure all but life is a fight to the death, and every man needs testosterone to fight and recover. Mind, body and soul.

              Twice todays levels are rookie numbers anyway. High side of healthy, before high blood pressure starts to factor in, is probably 5x todays “normal”.

          • jim says:

            Can confirm.

            But exogenous testosterone in useful and effective doses over a long period is going to screw up your LH, so you have to cycle.

            Also exogenous testosterone can raise your estrogen, particularly if you are fat, and while moderately high stable estrogen is not harmful provided you have adequate testosterone to keep its effects in line, changes in estrogen level in males, unstable estrogen, can screw you up.

            Lose weight, and or take arimidex when on exogenous testosterone, but be careful with arimidex. You don’t want to plunge your normal estrogen levels. The objective should be not low, but stable. Low will screw you up mentally, spiritually, and physically, and then screw you up more when they rise back to normal during your off cycle.

            People on long term testosterone take LH, which solves many of the more long serious problems, but the more you mess with your hormones, the more you are on shaky ground. Cycling while keeping an eye on estrogen and dealing with that problem should it arise is already starting to get complicated. I don’t think we have clear understanding of the effects of long term exogenous testosterone plus long term LH plus arimidex. In theory it should be a permanent cure all, provided you keep an eye on your hormone levels, but theory has not really been examined in practice, and you are doing complicated adjustments to a complicated system with a big hammer, which adjustments are likely to have effects that do not show up for year or two, while we have a pile of anecdotal evidence on cycling with testosterone, and applying armidex when estrogen gets out of line.

            • Adam says:

              Anecdotal, but I have been on TRT for a few years now, with the occasional blast (I lift). It’s not a superpower, but it’s a superpower. If your not trying to conquer the world, may not notice the effects. If you are, it’s the difference between steroid era baseball and post steroid era.

              As far as long term effects, steroid abuse has been happening for decades, and the men who suffer serious effects all share a few things, or a combination of them. High risk drug and alcohol abuse, many years of extreme supraphysiological hormone levels often without cycling off, and major underlying health problems.

            • Mike Thalassitis says:

              Are LH and hCG different names for the same thing, or are they different things?

              I have read some recent results that hCG was able to fully restore fertility regardless of how long the participants had been taking exogenous Testosterone. Do you have any thoughts on the best way to dose hCG/LH? Do you take small amounts every week or so, or do you blast it every few months?

              Supposedly TRT will also adversely affect lipids. What do you think of this? I can’t remember the redpill on cholesterol.

              How about effects on the heart? When blasting I take Telmisartan to lower blood pressure and apparently also helps prevent LVH. And every few days take Tadalafil, which I don’t think is very Peat-pilled but also helps lower blood pressure (which honestly is maybe caused by out of control estrogen levels anyway).

              • jim says:

                > Are LH and hCG different names for the same thing, or are they different things?

                They are two closely connected parts in a complicated system that some people think they understand, but I am pretty sure they do not.

                But LH, luteinizing hormone is, under normal circumstances, the one that tells your testicles to switch on and keeps them switched on.

                And the reason for cycling is that if your testicles get switched off, bad things happen. (Which again no one understands) Exogenous luteinizing hormone prevents this bad outcome, but I wonder what else it does.

                > I can’t remember the redpill on cholesterol.

                The redpill on cholesterol is that cholesterol is good for you, and carbon dioxide is a beneficial gas that has dropped so low in the past few million years that plants can barely breath.

                > every few days take Tadalafil, which I don’t think is very Peat-pilled but also helps lower blood pressure (which honestly is maybe caused by out of control estrogen levels anyway)

                If your estrogen levels are out of control, you are going to have all sorts of problems, among them impotence and sexual deviation. Keep them stable. Arimidex will prevent them from going up, but lower is not better. Stable and moderate is good.

                > How about effects on the heart? When blasting I take Telmisartan to lower blood pressure and apparently also helps prevent LVH

                High levels of exogenous testosterone do not noticeably affect my blood pressure. You are doing something wrong, or your hormones are more messed up than I let mine get.

                • Cloudswrest says:

                  Tadalafil (Cialis) is turning out to be quite the life extension drug. It stands to reason that since it increases blood flow “down there” it should increase blood flow elsewhere as well. It increases the amount of Nitric Oxide (NO) in the blood, which expands and protects the arteries, and keeps them elastic. Apparently it’s also good for BPH. From a blurb on La Wik, “As of 2019, the wider cardiovascular benefits of PDE5 inhibitors are being appreciated.” Tadalafil is better than the others because it has a much longer half life in the body. One dose lasts up to 36 hours. And even for healthy men it is a “performance” enhancing drug. I don’t have ED, but I was in Mexico once where Cialis is OTC, so I thought, “what the heck, let me give it a try.” I was like OMG, it’s like I’m 16 again! Keep it up as long as you want, even for fat chicks.

                  One of the alleged side effects is headache. This is probably due to people who suffer from ICH (Inter Cranial Hypertension). ICH is caused by inadequate fluid/lymph drainage in the brain (not blood pressure). Increased blood flow to the brain, caused by PDE5 inhibitors or anything else, will increase lymph leakage into the interstitial spaces, increasing lymph pressure if there is inadequate drainage.

                • Cloudswrest says:

                  InTRA cranial hypertension.

                • test says:

                  @Jim

                  Did you ever look into enclomiphene? It apparently avoids the LH problem:

                  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4155868/

                  “Perhaps, the most significant observation in the present study was the restoration of normal levels and pattern of total testosterone plus normal or elevated levels of LH, unlike that seen with the exogenous testosterone treatment.”

                • jim says:

                  The group treated had pituitary pathologies, and are thus unrepresentative of the normal population. Would it work on normal people?

                  Is low FSH responsible for the world decline in testosterone and sperm production?

                  Possibly it is – in which case the problem is likely spiritual pollution rather than chemical pollution. The same spiritual pollution means that doctors are extremely reluctant to use the the D Dimer test on people who are suffering from pathologies that look jab related, and when they do do the D Dimer test, then will not do the obvious test of looking at the patients blood under a microscope. Instead, the patient gets an MRI which, of course, shows nothing. The test result is then deemed a “false positive” and official guidance is that you do not give out D-Dimer tests like candy because they are getting a flood of “false positives” which cause “unnecessary anxiety”, and, because the doctor caused “unnecessary anxiety” he is likely to be charged with medical malpractice.

                  Which means that if the problem is spiritual pollution, and if this drug works on people without pituitary anomalies, it is going to be as hard to get as the D Dimer test followed by examination of blood under a microscope.

                  On the other hand, the usual black and grey market sources will provide it. But it will be a while before you can get it on the black and grey markets, and it is not yet clear that it works on people without pituitary anomalies.

              • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                Cholesterol is the basis of all sterol-oid hormones. You are literally less human without it.

                • jim says:

                  Ah, now I understand why cholesterol is being demonized with Global Warming grade research, where they search for ammunition, rather than truth.

                  I wondered about that, could not see a motive. Now I see the motive.

                  Global Warming research is readily explicable by hatred of the achievements of whites, similarly biblical scholarship, but cholesterol research puzzled me.

                • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

                  Cholesterol is also important in cell walls and cellular repair. You cannot heal as easily without supplies of cholesterol. Cholesterol does not cause damage, causing damage results in cholesterol moving to the area to repair the damage.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  > Cholesterol does not cause damage, causing damage results in cholesterol moving to the area to repair the damage.

                  Yep. The whole basis of the harvard medical board official theory of everything rests on a myopic focus on tenuous correlations between confounding variables, and cutting all other forms of data out of the picture which altogether would tell you one way or another.

  38. C4ssidy says:

    I had someone on social media telling me that Putin was actually on the side of gay, linking some English blogs describing gay Russian army hazing rituals. We went back and fourth a while until I challenged him to a jimian shill test, to write a sentence or two describing why being gay is actually destructive to society. He ignored it a few times but after being repeatedly pressed, vanished like a puff of smoke

    /pol/ infamously has these people. People in this blog talk about making memes. Suppose the jimian shill test(s) were condensed down into their most succinct forms and made into a series of memes. I was thinking something like collector cards theme, maybe a grey coloured throne-altar Pepe with a transient glowie or Soros figure seething. If someone makes a classic shill argument you’d present the card and ask them to pass before engaging, or otherwise pull it out mid conversation when suspicious

    • jim says:

      The video of the takeoff and landing of the Russian Forpost-R UCAV is strikingly illuminating.

      The controller is giving it instructions at takeoff with a normal looking laptop, which implies he is not piloting it. He does not have the kind of interface he would need for remote piloting. It launches from a small airport, which implies it is on a mission to take out a target a long way away, which would make it difficult to retain control if it had to be remote piloted. It looks like it can do what the Turkish drones can do: Autonomous takeoff, mission and targeting, followed by autonomous return to base.

      Cannot be sure, but that is what it looks like. I would guess that the controller prepared a mission profile in an office somewhere, the drone operator powered up the drone computers, he uploaded the profile to the drone over consumer grade wifi or bluetooth, and told it “Go!”

      And it went.

      It is a bit big to be useful as a robot assassin of individual targets, but seems to be substantially smaller than the US predator, which is too !@##&! big for what it winds up being used for in practice.

      Looking at that, I would say that the leading edge of Russian weapons is getting close to Turkey, and may soon surpass them.

      War can be great for fostering technology. Does not always work out that way, but it frequently does.

      Russian autonomous anti tank missiles still suck, but this looks like a pretty good early model drone. We have not seen Russian or Chinese anti ship missiles in action, but an autonomous drone that can do a complete mission without remote piloting would imply the existence of good anti ship missiles.

      • suones says:

        Russia doesn’t need anti-tank missiles that much, because tank warfare is mainly a Russian thing. But they do desperately need drones. A positive sign.

        • Varna says:

          >Russia doesn’t need anti-tank missiles that much, because tank warfare is mainly a Russian thing

          Some countries, such as the Ukraine, are also Russia, also fight like Russians, and have the same tech and school. With a modern layer of NATO stuff on top.

          For a thousand years the Russian world had two capitals — Kiev and Moscow.

          • Kunning Drueger says:

            Something about your last statement struck me deeply, though I’m no Slav.

          • suones says:

            For a thousand years the Russian world had two capitals — Kiev and Moscow.

            A capital statement. One of my heart’s desires is seeing Kievan Rus, Moskovy Rus, and Bela Rus united as the three brothers they are. A Tsar of all Russias would be excellent, but I’d settle for the former too.

  39. Kunning Druegger says:

    Off topic, and file this under silly thoughts about stuff way above my pay grade:

    Siberia seems like an interesting opportunity for RF to begin pioneering planetary habitations, micro-terraforming, and a broadening & deepening of the skillsets required for heavy industrial infrastructure. Russian engineers that are succesful in the liminal permafrost zones will probably be the best at Lunar, Martian, Titanic, etc building operations. In 300-500 years, Siberia, like Greenland, could become prime real estate. The extreme North and East of Eurasian Continent could be a lab/test bed for both RF and China’s off-planet tech and workforce. Imagine the insights and progress that could be obtained just going through making a small city with a dome and complete atmospheric conditioning. Also a good spot to work on building “hopper” rockets, as in short hop vehicles using the same fuel as their heavy lift rockets.

    • Ghost says:

      You’re posting a lot today.

      It would be obviously more realistic to man/settle even the most coldest of climates here on earth. Or even under the ocean, than on either Mars or the moon. Even though cold or wet, you have oxygen or can generate it.

      Many believe the earth is running out of living space. Maybe they’ve never driven across Texas or North Dakota.

      • Kunning Druegger says:

        You’re not my manager! Working from home. Productivity, as tracked by self-assessment, is 1000% higher!

        I am for a full spectrum/full world approach. “Carrying capacity” is predicated on technology and population proclivity. Carrying capacity at Neolithic tech level with Occidental proclivity might be X, and with Oriental proclivity might be X^2, or something. I don’t think there’s a hard limit overall, just limitations of technology and social organization.

        Humanity should expand everywhere, undersea, in the sky, in space, and on other planets. Becoming a multi-planet species is unassailably cool, but there’s definitely lower hanging fruit.

        I think population pressure is the best tool for effecting neutral progress and actual innovation/creation. “Overpopulation” is a feature, not a bug, as it will either create the circumstances for development, or cause a collapse.

        • jim says:

          > Humanity should expand everywhere, undersea, in the sky, in space, and on other planets. Becoming a multi-planet species is unassailably cool, but there’s definitely lower hanging fruit.

          The limit on the apex predator is not land and resources, but other members of his own species.

          There is plenty of lower hanging fruit, but it comes with government attached that limits your capability to utilize it (as for example the vast area of vacant land in the far North and far South which is off limits) and to reproduce, by suppressing property rights in women.

          If government suppresses property rights in land, no harvest, the chronic famines of collectivism. If government suppresses property rights in women, no children.

          • Pooch says:

            If government suppresses property rights in women, no children.

            Post-Industrial non-colonial non-expansionist elite are not incentivized to promote reproduction in their populace.

            It’s well within the realm of possibility that reproduction and family formation can only be restored on Mars.

            • Doom says:

              World population keeps increasing. Theres no problems with human reproduction.

              However, there is a problem with dysgenic reproduction. Is that what you meant?

              • jim says:

                The masses do not matter. If the elite fails to reproduce, doomed.

                • Pooch says:

                  The elite are reproducing above replacement. The middle class are being genocided.

                • Neofugue says:

                  > The elite are reproducing above replacement.

                  That statement is unequivocally false, completely detached from reality.

                • Neofugue says:

                  Restating what has been said in earlier comments, elite men reproduce somewhat at replacement level with lower-caste females while fertility of elite women remains abysmal.

                • Pooch says:

                  That statement is unequivocally false, completely detached from reality.

                  https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13524-019-00842-x/figures/7

                • Neofugue says:

                  Income is not an indication of elite status; a diesel mechanic who runs his own company can make >500k, a STEM professor may make only <50k, but the professor is elite while the diesel mechanic is not.

                • Aidan says:

                  Elite status does not correlate strongly to income. Small business owners and successful professionals making six figures are still middle class. The elite are academics, journalists, and employees of the government.

                • jim says:

                  The journalist is paid with the smell of an oil rag. His big compensation is elite status.

                • Pooch says:

                  Income is not an indication of elite status; a diesel mechanic who runs his own company can make >500k

                  Income is a good but imperfect proxy for the elite. The diesel mechanic who makes >500k is an absurdly low percentage of people who make >500k that makes no difference. Generally the people making over 500k are members of the elite often in some form of the non-productive FIRE economy.

                  a STEM professor may make only <50k, but the professor is elite while the diesel mechanic is not.

                  The 50k STEM professor is not elite, just a member of the priesthood. The top of the priesthood are members of the elite, but the entire priesthood is not. The 50K professors and journalists are just bottom rung priests in the Cathedral.

                • Pooch says:

                  Small business owners and successful professionals making six figures are still middle class.

                  100k is middle class. Once you get into >300k territory you are getting into elite income territory, but obviously this is not a hard a fast rule.

                  Elite generally means an Ivey League degree. If you don’t have your name on a piece of paper with Harvard or Yale on it, sorry you’re probably not elite. And people with pieces of paper from Harvard and Yale tend to make a lot of money because status.

                • Neofugue says:

                  > The 50k STEM professor is not elite

                  Absolutely the 50k STEM professor is elite. The 50k Sociology professor is often not, but STEM professors are still selected for competence.

                  > Elite generally means an Ivey League degree. If you don’t have your name on a piece of paper with Harvard or Yale on it, sorry you’re probably not elite. And people with pieces of paper from Harvard and Yale tend to make a lot of money because status.

                  You would be surprised at how little people care about Harvard and Yale certificates in the real world. The purpose of obtaining the certificate is to make connections with others in order to gain access to positions within companies or to apply for elite graduate programs.

                  Where do STEM professors at Ivy League institutions get educated?

                  Not every elite institution is part of the Ivy League. Stanford, Swarthmore, Williams, MIT, and many others are not included.

                  Elites do not have “income territories,” elites have high-status positions. A diesel mechanic who makes more than $1m will never be “elite.” It is more important for an elite to maintain his status than his income, and an elite will often trade a more lucrative position for one that is higher-status.

                • Pooch says:

                  Elites do not have “income territories,” elites have high-status positions. A diesel mechanic who makes more than $1m will never be “elite.” It is more important for an elite to maintain his status than his income, and an elite will often trade a more lucrative position for one that is higher-status.

                  The productive entrepreneur, like the diesel mechanic, must earn his money honestly.

                  The elite, Like Bush, Obama, or Clinton, merely sticks their hand out and people trip over themselves to fill it with silver.

                  An Ivey Leaguer always has a high paying job waiting for them somewhere. Cause and effect. They have status therefore money will always follow. An elite without money is a contradiction.

                  Often times elite will take a lower paying job to work in government like Jen Pskai for example, but the muli-million dollar book, tv, FIRE economy whatever job is waiting as soon as they leave.

                • Karl says:

                  Reading this discussion I get the impression that the term “elite” is poorly defined.

                  I guess “elite” are simply the people who have power or at least influence (e.g. priestly power).

                • Pooch says:

                  We’ve discussed this before and there is some dispute on how to define the elite.

                  My position: Those in the ruling class with the highest status and prestige in polite society and are typically allotted positions, board seats, etc soley because of their elite status. An Ivey League degree is generally the pre-requisite, but there are of course exceptions. The US Senate is generally a good proxy for this class of people.

                • Pooch says:

                  Think of Hunter Biden.

                  Yale degree, political family, sitting on boards making hundreds of thousands of dollars per month simply because of his status. This is is your ruling elite.

                • Neofugue says:

                  > An elite without money is a contradiction.

                  This is the mindset of the typical vaishya, who sees success as a function of money.

                  Academia is the best example of power sticking its hand out and people giving them ducats of silver, yet most college professors are relatively broke. Though it may seem strange to someone of vaishya extraction, not every elite desires massive wealth.

                  > An Ivey Leaguer always has a high paying job waiting for them somewhere.

                  First off, it is spelled Ivy League.

                  Second, no, not every Ivy League graduate has a high paying job waiting for him. As an anecdote, a couple months ago the firm had an interview with a Harvard graduate who went on and on about his “experience” at “Harvard” and was summarily rejected. A year ago a Columbia/Yale graduate was fired for two years of not making money.

                  Bush, Obama, Clinton, Psaki, etc. may have positions waiting for them on company boards, but this is not because of their “Ivy League” status, it is because of the connections they made after graduation.

                • Pax Imperialis says:

                  Completely anecdotal, but there have been a fairly substantial number of doctors at various social events who’ve treated me with a great deal of respect as soon as they learned I have a graduate level degree in Electrical Engineering. Many of those doctors earn far more than nearly all engineers ever will because they tend to also be small business owners and pull in several million per year in profits, yet they afford engineers a high level of respect, often more respect than for other doctors.

                  Status can be determined by income, but more often than not, status is determined by things other than income.

                  When talking about elites it’s important to recognize that the elites are a vast group with many subgroups competing for power. Ivy league doesn’t produce enough elites on its own to fill every higher level government position.

                  For example, prior to the 1950s many elites came from West Point or similar military academies. Often those elite families had multi-generation legacies at those academies. During the computer revolution in the 70s and 80s many of the children of the military elite went into computer/electrical engineering at various state universities. At first glance one might think that because many of those families didn’t get their children into Harvard/Yale/etc that they lost their elite status, yet often their children ended up in top level government or military positions regardless.

                  Part of the confusion over who the elite are stems from the old military elites (a substantial segment of the elite class) scattering in the 60s and 70s and decentralizing. It became far harder to point at any one organization to classify them. That is in contrast to the academia/law elite who have always come from Harvard/Yale/etc and continue to due so.

                • Pooch says:

                  Though it may seem strange to someone of vaishya extraction, not every elite desires massive wealth.

                  Not seeing that. There are exceptions, but our unvirtuous elite overwhelmingly worships decadence and luxury.

                  the connections they made after graduation.

                  Which connections would have been unavailable to them had they not graduated from their Ivy League school.

                  I don’t know if we are disagreeing all that much. The main point of contention is the professors. My calculation is that professors generally don’t have high status except at the very highest levels.

                  Sometimes we like to just lump the Cathedral into the elite but I think it’s important to keep a distinction. The Cathedral represents the priesthood.

                  This is analogous to the Roman Senate representing the Patrician elite. Plenty of Patricians were also in the highest orders of the priesthoods as well but not the entire Roman priesthood in general.

                • Neofugue says:

                  > I don’t know if we are disagreeing all that much. The main point of contention is the professors. My calculation is that professors generally don’t have high status except at the very highest levels. Sometimes we like to just lump the Cathedral into the elite but I think it’s important to keep a distinction. The Cathedral represents the priesthood.

                  The priesthood is and has always been part of the elite.

                  In France prior to the Revolution, the First Estate was not the wealthy nobility, the First Estate was the Roman Catholic priesthood, and they were considered greater than the nobility despite them having neither the wealth nor military power of the Second Estate.

                • suones says:

                  @Karl and @Pooch

                  Definition of “elite” was one of Moldbug’s earliest accomplishments. Men naturally perceive value differently. Some may value knowledge, others military strength, others money, and yet others physical possessions. Accordingly they are dubbed Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, and Shudras. “Elite” status within each caste is defined only by the value parameter specific to that caste alone.

                  Between castes, most Brahmins are more “elite” than everyone else except the very top Kshatriyas who comprise the military nobility. In a just society the very topmost Kshatriya would be the King, and the next most elite man would be His High Priest, a Brahmin.

                  Vaishyas are never elite. Money is always downstream of power.

                  Rectification of names really is Job #1.

                • Pax Imperialis says:

                  >Vaishyas are never elite

                  In the US many of the “Vaishyas” are crypto-Kshatriyas. Business and war are inseparable likely due to Viking heritage. There was never a caste distinction between trade and war like there was in Asia. For the Vikings (and later the British and then the WASP Americans), the entire point of war was plunder and trade.

                • jim says:

                  From the beginning, the European traders failed to observe any clear distinction between buying at arms length, buying at sword point, and just plain shaking people down. As I have said many times, mobile bandits who settled down and became stationary bandits, a huge improvement on the stationary bandits they conquered.

                • suones says:

                  @Pax Imperialis

                  I agree that “Vaishya-Kshatriyas” are a thing. Also, priest-warriors aka paladins. But I think you’re describing the close alignment between American Vaishya and Kshatriya castes rather than their absolute merger. If this was not the case, Eisenhower wouldn’t have had to deploy the linguistic kill shot “Military-Industrial Complex” — a highly specific kill shot for a highly-specific caste alignment. The “complex” only exists because the military and industry are recognisably different. At least till Eisenhower’s time, Vaishya-Kshatriya unity and thus power were very much a thing, so that his Secret Communist priestly handlers needed to attack it so brazenly.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Pooch is right not everyone in priestly jobs has elite status, though the priesthood is our ruling class.

                • The Cominator says:

                  “Broke college professors” true in the 60s but not true today…

              • Pooch says:

                Yes I’m disregarding the slave class.

        • Ghost says:

          True. Overpopulation is a technology driver. Especially in agriculture.

      • jim says:

        It is unrealistic to settle the open spaces of the earth, because government will inhibit the necessary reproductive success and high levels of technology required.

        Apex predators are limited by intra species violence, not land or resources.

        • Ghost says:

          It will be difficult to escape government because where there are people in numbers, new government will form.

          I would be satisfied with 40-80 acres surrounded by barbed wire and a concrete house. Perhaps a few dobermans in patrol. This neighborhood used to be all white. It’s turning Mexican now, but they keep the antifa and blm away.

    • jim says:

      People settled the arctic islands to get away from governments. Governments followed them and declared every square inch that had not been settled to be national parks, to prevent more people from settling. Similarly the antarctic islands, though they nipped that one in the bud fairly early

      Russia does not forbid people from settling Siberia, indeed it is begging people to settle Siberia and the easternmost areas, but the trouble is that settling Siberia does not get you away from the Russian government, and there is of lots more habitable land to settle.

      Modern communications make empires and hegemonies vast, which limits your choice of stationary bandits. Because the world is getting small, exit is problematic. Which creates a trend, independent of the left singularity, of governments getting more intrusive and oppressive.

      Information Epoch warfare is going to make local monopolies of force difficult. Best case outcome, lots of mobile bandits. Worst case outcome, one stationary bandit governs the whole earth, and kills off technology capable of settling the stars. The great reset agenda and the Global American Empire objective is one highly intrusive stationary bandit governing the whole earth, and no exit from earth.

  40. Kunning Druegger says:

    Flesh+Blood, directed by Verhoeven. Comminator recommended, Druegger approved.

    https://gaxed.com/movie/flesh-blood-61881

  41. Varna says:

    Gradual merger of Poland and Western Ukraine getting less gradual.

    Now Ukraine is set to vote a unique thing: allowing Poles to have the same rights as Ukrainians inside the Ukraine, including all sorts of posts in govt structures.
    https://vz.ru/opinions/2022/5/24/1159969.html
    This will likely allow to beef up Ukraine’s army and other govt structures with NATO Poland’s human resources. Doubles and triples Ukraine’s defense capability, allows Poland to have the war with Russia it has always dreamt of but on someone else’s territory and without the threat of a full NATO-Russia war, and also brings closer Poland’s imperial fantasy of taking back Western Ukraine.

    Which used to be Eastern Poland but then Stalin invaded, and after WWII compensated them with Eastern Germany. Now they appear to feel they can get the old land back without having to give up on the new land.

    Meanwhile Orban just declared a national emergency due to the Ukraine war and has Cesar powers through decree.
    https://vz.ru/world/2022/5/25/1160041.html
    Parliament is his, but single-rule allows a reaction within the hour as opposed to waiting for days on end for votes and debates. Due to his sabotage of sanctions on Russia he is perhaps expecting pressure up to and including color revolutions, to deal with which he goes into *temporary* Lukashenko mode.
    Possibly also to allow himself maneuver capabilities as the EU and NATO try to take him down for not being a good enough ally.

    • Varna says:

      Also, by Aristotelian political logic, perhaps Zelensky feels he doesn’t have enough “loyalist” to count on, and having Poles to play that role will allow him to “do what has to be done” to the “traitor” half of the population.

    • Kunning Druegger says:

      From the linked article:

      […]
      “Poland’s participation in the European Union does not change much here. This is hard for many in Russia to understand, but a country in which the overwhelming majority has been voting for a nationalist party with an exclusively conservative program for years is not an ordinary European postmodern power, where the population most appreciates the achievements of civilization. Poland against the backdrop of Western Europe is a very wild state in appearance and internal structure. Let us recall at least the art that the Polish authorities created in relation to refugees on their eastern border in the summer-autumn of 2021. What happened there would have been impossible in any other major European country. But for the majority of Poles, poisoning refugees with dogs and gas was quite normal and even right from the point of view of their values.”

      […]

      “So far, the most important constraint on Poland’s direct participation in the conflict is its membership in NATO. The direct entry of this country into armed confrontation can lead to the consequences that the head of the Russian state warned about in his address on the morning of February 24 this year. And even if the Poles themselves are ready to go, in principle, so far as to expose their violent heads to Russian missiles, the United States will not allow them to do this. After all, a direct clash between a foreign power and a country that is a member of the military bloc led by Washington will put the latter in front of the need to look for a reason to refuse its own intervention. Moreover, this will have to be done in exceptionally nervous circumstances and under solid internal pressure. No one is going to take on such a risk of “losing face” in the United States and will not be in any foreseeable future.

      And certainly there is no one in America who wants to be forced to choose between shame and suicide as a result of the escalation caused by Polish adventurism. Over the past couple of months, very authoritative American experts have repeatedly written and spoken about such dangers. And it would be strange to think that the US government did not bother to take care of this problem – while Washington is behaving extremely prudently in the conflict. It is one thing to supply Ukrainian formations with weapons or train them to use them, but it is quite another to create real risks for yourself.

      As far as one can judge from the behavior of the US and British authorities, no one in these countries is yet going to seriously think about the need to stop the armed struggle against Russia. However, Ukraine’s own human reserves are not endless even under conditions of maximum information “pumping” and military-political support from the West. Based on the reports from the battle zone, one gets the impression that there is a certain decline in the quantitative and qualitative dimensions among the Ukrainian forces. It is very likely that soon this objective reduction in human resources will be difficult to compensate only at the expense of the local population.

      And since the neighboring Poles have an acute desire to make war with their historical adversary, and the Ukrainian authorities can grant them the status of their own citizens, then why not? Let them fight. Within those limits, of course, as long as it does not bear risks for the Americans themselves and does not create a situation where they have to admit that the notorious fifth article of the North Atlantic Treaty is, in fact, an empty phrase.”

      • Kunning Druegger says:

        I know it’s just a single point of reference, but it’s also another data point reinforcing the (my) assertion that both Putin and the RF intelligentsia believe there’re adults somewhere behind the scenes, making decisions and setting policy. This is an incalculable strategic blunder on their part.

      • Kunning Druegger says:

        Sergey Lavrov:

        “I am convinced this will eventually end. The West will eventually recognize reality on the ground. It will be forced to admit that it can’t constantly attack the vital interests of Russia – or Russians, wherever they live – with impunity,” he added.

        If and when the West comes to its senses and wants to offer something in terms of resuming relations, Russia will “seriously consider whether we will need it or not,” the foreign minister told the high-schoolers.”

        >The West will eventually recognize reality on the ground

        ruh roh…

  42. Kunning Drueger says:

    What is the realistic, serious chance that Buffalo and Texas are actual false flags? If it happens to be the case, then it is possible that A) the first one didn’t get the desired response so B) they’re reloading and going again so C) the chances they will be sloppy and leave too much evidence will significantly increase. Is this just crazy talk/thoughts?

    • The Cominator says:

      False flags how. I’m pretty sure the murders were real and that at least probably the suspects are real…

      I just think the FBI is behind egging them on…

      • Kunning Drueger says:

        American intelligence agency getting an American to kill a bunch of Americans in America has to be about the most false flag that ever flagged falsely.

        • The Cominator says:

          On 4chan they are saying his rifle with all the accessories he had cost 6000 and he had some 70k new truck. This was some poor possibly illegal tranny…

          He was clearly backed by someone and we know it wasn’t ragheads, ragheads wouldn’t let a tranny get near them.

          • Ghost says:

            Some vibrant named Ramos, and possible crossdresser. Just can’t make this stuff up.

            • Doom says:

              This is just how powerful the White Supremacy Ideology, for example as often discussed on this blog, has become.

              A mexican, transgender white supremacist. Just think about that for a moment. White supremacists HATE mexicans and HATE transgenders, and yet, still, this poor deluded soul spent $6000 of his hard earned dollars on a rifle and shot some poor children in the name of White Supremacy.

              YOU ALL DISGUST ME (lol)

              • Ghost says:

                Or his handlers spent the $6K.

                More information is coming to light. He was on Discord talking to GloNigs who converted him into a threatpac.

          • Pax Imperialis says:

            >He was clearly backed by someone

            Unlikely in the sense that someone handed him money for the purpose of committing the shooting.

            18 year old Mexican kid was likely living with his grandmother (who was probably getting those sweet, sweet government monies), thus no rent, utility bills, or food costs. Even working in a low pay fast food job saving 6k for a “toy” is trivial.

            It’s mostly White Americans who kick their kids out of the home at 18 who then struggle to save money in their youth.

            Most continental Europeans and non-Whites keep the family under one roof until the kids are ready to move out due to marriage. In many cultures, marriage does not always mean having to move out of parents home.

            Combined with low interests rates, and thus ease of loans, even a guy only making around 20k a year can secure a loan for a 70k truck. Seen it happen many times among junior enlisted guys. Not saying it’s financially viable long term, but it happens far more than you would think for such low income.

            His purchasing power, 6k gun plus 70k truck, is completely in line (provided he didn’t have much else) with the living standards in low class non-White America on a salary of 20k.

            Also there are a huge number of small time drug dealers in the south west (Arizona, Nevada, Texas, etc), many of whom sell to provide for their own addiction… Considering that his mother reportedly had quite the drug problem, he might have been supplementing his income.

    • Adam says:

      It is weird these things always come in waves. I suspect a lot of glowing niggers are involved but who knows.

    • Ghost says:

      Seen more than a couple cop-cam vids. This Buffalo guy drove like a cop, palmed the wheel, took turns like a cop. And, when he was in the store, he was slicing the pie like a vet.

      Either he was someone else or these modern video games are combat simulators.

      • Ghost says:

        There used to be a site called LiveLeak. Every time some dindu was taken down by cops, they always seemed to get the cop-cam vidya. News would claim racisim, etc… But, the cam always showed the cop-eye-view.

        I’ve seen dozens of this vids, and for supposedly only 18yr old, well I don’t believe it. This guy drove and fired like he was trained. Doubt you can get that from simulations.

        • Guy says:

          I have no idea what something like this should look like from a head mounted camera, but I thought the first lady he shot, as well as the masked woman on the ground, should have been gory. That was my main impression of the video, lack of blood.

          Also, in the heat of the moment he was likely being irrational, but he let one guy go randomly, presumably because of his race? But shot a couple other whites too before that, so maybe not.

          • Ghost says:

            True true, it will come out the exit as a brownish-red spray cloud. When they fall the blood is under pressure and will gush out in a visible arc followed by a dark pooling spreading out.

            • Aidan says:

              I’ve seen guys shot with ARs from close range and there’s not much visible spray if any.

              • Kunning Drueger says:

                Yeah, movies have people thinking that shotguns blow you across the room, and bullets always draw blood. Clip a big artery or make enough holes, sure. But people can get lit up, walk away, speak like normal, then keel over.

                The clip I saw looks real, I guess. He definitely moves with purpose and practiced motion. The Deploy from the car is quite smooth, but anyone can practice.

                Does anyone have a link/source for a full, unedited video? Don’t post if it’s dangerous, and bear in mind I’m no CSI, but I could give a decent review of mechanics. I’ve done enough scene documentation and training, but I’m in no way an SME.

              • Ghost says:

                Perhaps. 556 is small like a 22 but it’s high speed and has a lot of penetration. The close range shot in the store after reload should have looked like exploding melon.

                I remember this clip from Vietnam where they execute a guy at close range. That’s what I expected. The head is very vascular.

                • Kunning Drueger says:

                  There’s no way to predict what’s going to happen. Any instance can be compared with another, and the conclusions are legion. .223 zips like hot fire, and at close range, it can literally seem like dude wasn’t even hit. The lethality of the round, outside of velocity, is the characteristic of frangibility. When I tears up the target in the inside, shitty things happen. Up close, those rounds can just zip through like they weren’t there, and mortal bleeding happens later. Or not, I’m not in any way an expert. But I know enough to know that whenever someone says “dude, I fought in Nam/Detroit/Fallujah, this is what always happens” there’s a distinct possibility that they are full of it, at least on that subject.

                  Best to assume people got shot, and someone did some shooting. How they did it, and why the media covers it the way they do are more critical questions. How far away did the shooter live from the location? Are there any ties, to any degree, between the shooter and any of the victims? What’s the work history of the shooter? Does the shooter have a friend circle, social media, a girlfriend, a job?

                  Trying to analyze the ballistics from a POV vid is pretty challenging. Better to rig into other data for strong inclinations and conclusions.

                • Ghost says:

                  I’m too young for Nam. A clip (aka video) from Nam is what I write about. I’ve also seen Hickok45 shoot a few melons with 556. They explode. Sometimes large chunks come off the back and sides. And I’ve seen ballistic dummies react to 556. It leaves a large exit wound due to velocity.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  A boot with an M-16 in ‘nam would be using m193 rounds, which are frangible, and thus make good mince-meant upon impact.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  The average shooter today would likely be using cheap Tula FMJ; or if they are high speed low drag, something like Barnes TSX, mk 218 SOST, or Trophy bonded bearclaw; but in either case, wound channeling would be far less visibly dramatic from the outside.

              • Driven says:

                The nz mosque video had basically no blood when he was dumping into a pile of bodies

    • Joe says:

      During the past month, on two occasions, feds tried to goad people on Twitter* into kinetic actions. The attempts started in the afternoon or evening, U.S. time. The two attacks you mentioned happened the next day on both occasions.

      *one presumes they were targeting many forums, not just Twitter

      • Kunning Drueger says:

        If I wanted to send a Signal, to pass a message, I’d build a meme sharing account ang a large amount of followers, then bury the message as some innocuous randomness that barely stands out. If the literature is to be believed (big fucking If), attacks require planning and training. If you’re sending a Go Code, why be so blatant on a known “darp webbb” website, besides building an easily uncovered fake trail?

        • Joe says:

          I was more leaning towards stochastic terrorism. The idea is that at any time there is a population of individuals who are just under the threshold for doing something. If the state nudges the population ever so slightly in the direction of action, one of those individuals will cross the threshold and the state gets its attack. This explains the ramp-up in nonspecific fedposting on the day before each attack.

          You and Pseudo-Chrysostom, on the other hand, seem to be implying that it is far more controlled than this.

          • Kunning Druegger says:

            My position stems from the technical requirements for effecting tactical instances ( ;} )

            A cursory review of a selection of mass shooting incidents paired up with dimensionally equivalent military/police operations can give you an idea of how important practice is when it comes to successful modern violence. Tactical SOF (JSOC fellas) train constantly, have massive data intelligence and guidance for interpreting and applying it, and vast resources to build 1:1 mockups, which they drill in relentlessly. This is why they seem to be gods of death; it isn’t the pushups and “warrior spirit.” Parenthetically, I often wonder how long any SF dude or squad would last in the Somme or some other massive battlefield. I’m not trying to minimize the value of physical fitness, marksmanship, or training.

            The data seems to show that the emotional motivation can get an “actor” to a place, but it isn’t enough to carry them through the grim reality they create, or seek to create. For most people, without multiple walkthroughs, dry runs, and pointed training, they’re not going to get very far. Obviously, there’re exceptions and flukes. An interesting element of an event like this is when the actor starts wandering around. This typically happens after the eliminate their target, or after the rush of First Contact dies down. They shuffle around, look at things, and, on the surveillance footage, seem completely unmotivated. Consider a comparison between Nikolas Cruz (Parkland) and Cho Seung-Hui (Virginia Tech). Look at the available open source stuff. Cruz could be someone who was groomed, wound up, and set off. Cho was the picture of an angry young man that sought revenge and got it. Cruz thought holding the gun and dressing up would make him a killer, Cho knew that practice and planning were required. Cruz had no real plan after “arrive and get famous,” while Cho had researched VT campus police, timed the routes he was going to use, had alternate options, effected chokepoints and barricades, provisioned himself to match his plan, and effected a distraction to create favorable tactical circumstances.

            I could have this backwards, and Cruz is the emotional murderer and Cho is the Govt Asset, but I don’t think so. Cho was a stereotypical Americanized Korean, and Cruz was a stereotypical Amerimutt.

            If there’s some Fed or Fed-adjacent entity spinning up and sending out mass killers, there’s got to be a data trail. I’m not countenancing mind control rays or other sci-fi stuff. The fact that Columbine case files are still lacking the coroner’s findings on the meds those 2 were on (pharma gag order, i believe) is, in my opinion, a clue, but I don’t know the full scope of what it implies. Those 2 are a perfect picture of failure to plan: bombs didn’t work, wandering around, no coordination, relatively low body count.

            I guess the next step would be to order my thinking and build an arbitrary dichotomy to categorize “terrorist incident” from “potential false flag operation,” but it is not an insubstantial task, and I am not as enthusiastic about the topic as I once was. At this point, if there is some Black Hand out there weaponizing unstable betas, the best indicator would be matching the frequency of attacks with the larger societal level operations. I don’t think it’s some anti-gun thing, at least, that isn’t the primary goal. So what would be the primary goal(s)? What is the purpose of unleashing “cluster killers” on the US public?

            *Note: these are my musings and assertions. I may have taken a wrong turn somewhere and this is all bullshit.

            • Joe says:

              When I say threshold, I mean it to be all-encompassing. That is, this population will have advanced to near the point of action in their technical requirements, as well as in their emotional state. Those technical requirements can, as shown by your examples, differ greatly between individuals.

          • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

            >[…]at any time there is a population of individuals who are just under the threshold for doing something. If the state nudges the population ever so slightly in the direction of action, one of those individuals will cross the threshold and the state gets its attack. This explains the ramp-up in nonspecific fedposting on the day before each attack.

            This is the main thing. There are, of course, levels to this game.

            >What is the purpose of unleashing “cluster killers” on the US public?

            Sovereignty in the context of demotism must necessarily operate through pretext. In particular here, is the ‘permitted catastrophe’. Catastrophes happen, or are allowed to happen, or if necessary or when necessary or when convenient, are made to happen. The purpose of a catastrophe is the catastrophe itself; with any and all catastrophes ventured to be used as pretext for the expansion, cementation, and utilization of power. Not just in terms of legalism, but also in terms of personnel; and not just in terms of personnel, but also in terms of behavioral conditioning. A more stressed test group is a more suggestible test group. Strategic use of stressors are utilized to channel consensus away from straying and further down desired roads.

            This is the knife edge that the 20th century political order – which we as of yet are still living under – is predicated on dancing upon. The meta-normality of a never ending string of ‘extra ordinary circumstances’ requiring ’emergency powers’ to deal with, ‘just this one time’, or ‘just for this particular issue’. Every other brick the permanent bureaucracy was built with is the bones of a ‘temporary measure’.

            • Kunning Druegger says:

              From “Losing The War:”

              “But then everything about the war was ad hoc and provisional. The British set up secret installations in country estates; Stalin had his supreme military headquarters in a commandeered Moscow subway station. Nobody cared about making the system logical, because everything only needed to happen once. Every battle was unrepeatable, every campaign was a special case. The people who were actually making the decisions in the war — for the most part, senior staff officers and civil service workers who hid behind anonymous doors and unsigned briefing papers — lurched from one improvisation to the next, with no sense of how much the limitless powers they were mustering were remaking the world.”

              Thank you for the fascinating read, as usual.

            • Kunning Druegger says:

              From “Losing The War:”

              “A rational calculation of the odds is a calculation by the logic of peace.”

    • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

      As always, i recommend everyone to read Programmed to Kill, by David McGowan.

    • yewotm8 says:

      Odds that none of the teachers or janitors at the Texas school being armed seem low.

    • Javier says:

      Buffalo shooter glows white hot, Texas kid seems like the standard antidepressant schizo/single-mom raised incel freakout. Though so far I’ve only heard he used a pistol which makes the body count seem unlikely, unless he shot them all execution style.

  43. Ghost says:

    Looks like the controllers are pulling the curtain back at Davos. WEF, I see the usual suspects: Kissinger, Schwab, Schoomer, Kerry, etc…

    https://nworeport.me/2022/05/24/henry-kissinger-tells-ukraine-it-should-give-russia-territory-to-try-to-find-a-peace-deal/

    They mean to turn off our energy, starve us, and vaxx us. Klaus speaks, and most world “leaders” parrot him.

    I’m reminded of a Thai elephant trainer with a stick making a huge elephant do his bidding while all the while this massive elephant could snatch him by the neck and dash him into the ground.

    I hope to see the elephant awaken soon.

    • Kunning Drueger says:

      The elephant never wakes up, it just gets a different master, or it gets exterminated.

    • The Cominator says:

      I always wonder why these lunatics keep Kissinger around, Kissinger as usual speaks sanity saying that Ukraine must surrender and that Russia can’t be cutoff from the world.

      • Ghost says:

        He sees what’s coming. This thing is on the brink of going nuclear.

        • The Cominator says:

          But he ALWAYS has been for sanity…

          And yet somehow these assholes always keep him around.

          • Kunning Drueger says:

            A love voice is basically worthless without a faction. Kissinger is their pet realist, like some sci-fi overlords that keep a lone survivor of a species they eradicated for entertainment and bragging.

            • The Cominator says:

              Yeah its something weird like that because I can’t remember Kissinger advocating anything stupid leftist or particularly insane ever. And he was probably our most “Nationalist” secretary of state since the Civil War (Tillerson was up there too) despite being a foreign born jew.

              • Ghost says:

                Perhaps they see him as some revered grandfather sage type. A sort of sacred cow. But, I see how Klaus seems to be nodding off as Kissinger speaks. So maybe they just want to get credibility via association. Klaus is insane so who knows what a sociopath is thinking.

                • ExileStyle says:

                  > Perhaps they see him as some revered grandfather sage type.

                  This is part of it. Another part is simply that he is extremely charismatic, and inspires awe wherever he enters the room. Unlike virtually anyone else at their dinner parties, he is living history.

                  I was at one of these dinners once (your usual globalist think tank gala event) and he arrived kind of unannounced, alone, early, and took his assigned seat and simply started reading a book he had brought with him. People were literally too in awe of him to even speak to him. Like, people whose names you’d recognize if you saw them. The keynote speaker later called him impromptu onto the stage and he gave a perfect speech, completely off the cuff. It was hilarious, and insightful.

                  I have met some interesting people, but Henry Kissinger’s aura and charisma – and you have to remember this was a five-foot-two shuffling old ninety-year-old with a German accent – is like nothing I have ever encountered. Wish I could share more details but that would obviously be stupidly self-doxxing.

                  His doctoral thesis – basically Spengler applied to Cold War America – is also a great read.

                • Kunning Drueger says:

                  Exile, can you post it, or a link?

                • Mayflower Sperg says:

                  Kissinger is a relic from a bygone age when our elites were smart.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Exile… if you move in those circles…

                  Remember to keep St. Brevik in your heart if you get terminal cancer or the like.

                • Kunning Druegger says:

                  Found it:

                  https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015012330695&view=1up&seq=1&skin=2021

                  I am incredibly excited to read this, and it is going into my Library of Reaction collection (my growing collection of books referenced or recommended by Yarvin, Jim, the canonical reading list, and others).

                • ExileStyle says:

                  @KunnungDruegger. Thanks for the great link, the one I was thinking of must have been his master’s thesis actually: https://archive.org/details/HenryAKissingerTheMeaningOfHistoryReflectionsOnSpenglerToynbeeAndKant

              • suones says:

                What’s with the Kissinger-cocksucking? He’s an evil bastard, just like all those other evil bastards like Brzezinski, Soros, and Schwab.

                The elite fertility crisis we Hindus are facing is almost directly a result of US policy following the “Kissinger Report”/NSSM200[1]. He even names India as Enemy #1.

                Are you all really with Kissinger? Did you/he think Moloch would never come for your kids? WTF? Cominator?

                [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Study_Memorandum_200

                • Whitey says:

                  > The elite fertility crisis we Hindus are facing

                  Is there anyone, anywhere, who believes India needs more people?

                  Based on what India looks like, no one there should be claiming to be “elite.” Indeed, India’s elites appear to be even more useless than ours.

                • The Cominator says:

                  I’ve been told by disparate sources that Kissinger is evil in my life, and he certainly keeps company with evil people. But neither his own actions when he had power or what he has advocated in terms of American foreign policy (or how foreign policy should be looked at) has ever been evil.

                  Hes always been a Westphalian realist, in foreign policy terms Westphalian realism is good and Wilsonian univeralism is evil.

                • Kunning Druegger says:

                  Your anit-white* bias is showing. It is always interesting to me that Indians assert their membership in the Great Powers club while still cashing reparations welfare checks from England and whining about historical subjugation their ancestors allowed. Tell us about an Indian luminary that is equivalent to Kissinger and we’ll lavish him with praise.

                  *all Jews I like are white, and there’s nothing you can do to stop me

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  Kissinger was a realist; and the object of his more faithful assessments of reality was to more optimally ensure the wilsonian empire could stay in power in perpetuity.

                  At the end of the day, the reason he could stay in the club, because he was good for the club.

                • Ghost says:

                  What is going on with the Kissinger bashing? The guy is 98 years old and trying to keep the world from blowing itself up.

                  I thought all you Indians were based alphas and didn’t have a reproduction problem. Tell those Indian women to open bobs or else.

                • suones says:

                  @Whitey

                  …prole-tier garbage…

                  Shut up, prole.

                  Leftist weapons are like the gun that fires both ways. It is easy to imagine “we’ll just export these anti-natalist memes/policy to our enemies,” but it comes around. Moloch always takes his pound of flesh. This is why I have learned to never use Leftist tactics, even if they seem beneficial in the short term. Every step in the anti-natal programme has ultimately harmed Amerikaner human capital more than any other, simply because US had the most to begin with. Which is fine for Jews and Jesuits, for WASPs are their civilisational enemies.

                  @Kunning Druegger

                  all Jews I like are white, and there’s nothing you can do to stop me

                  😂

                  There are honourable Jews, of course, like Otto Weininger[1], but Kissinger is not one of them.

                  @Ghost

                  No-one here is bashing Kissinger here except me. Jimian community either love Kissinger or at least admire him. The gods have handed us a boon in that Hindus have been replacing Jews as the foreign enforcers of Empire in America. We have to capitalise on those, like China. Every time I scratch a “reactionary,” I find an Old Type Leftist/J-Leftist underneath.

                  Indians don’t have reproduction “problems” yet, at least as advanced as in the US/Europe. I’m seeing the derivative for elite reproduction, and it has flatlined. Elites are no longer growing exponentially, mostly due to Moloch. Still above replacement levels, but children are being bled off continuously to IQ shredders, resulting in less elites in India overall. Prole reproduction is not a problem anywhere except China and Japan, maybe. Not in USA, nor in India.

                  [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Weininger He correctly surmised the then current Jewish race as degenerate and effeminate, but fell into the darkness of despair, like Nietzsche, rather than be a masculine force like Ben Gurion, for example.

                • suones says:

                  @Pseudo Chrysostom

                  Kissinger… optimally ensure the wilsonian empire could stay in power in perpetuity.

                  Consider the vastly different assessment of Wilson and Kissinger by commentators here, where they seem like the same team to me (and you(?)). Why is it so? Is Wilson hated because he was a WASP? What is the material difference between Wilson, FDR, and Kissinger that causes the first two to be pilloried here on every occasion while the latter gets a pass? If Wilson helped Bolshevism, FDR helped Stalin, Kissinger helped Mao, all the while making USA more and more degenerate, what is the difference? Why did this nation deny honour to patriots like Rockwell but honour Kissinger? Why do “reactionaries” do the same? Is “reaction” actually Nixon 2.0[1]?

                  [1] I admire Nixon the man, but his party was cowardly that allowed JFK to steal the election. He was a precursor to Trump.

                • The Cominator says:

                  You’re having Jews on the brain again…

                  Kissinger was a Westphalian realist. Sure he wanted to preserve and strengthen the American Empire by making it sane… but so did Trump. I do not think Kissinger advocating for sanity makes him evil. The weird and exceptional thing I’ve noted about Kissinger is his advocacy of sanity which he has been consistent on for decades has never gotten him kicked out.

                  Wilson was the founder of the Cathedral and he was an internationalist crusader for globohomo 1.0. Of course I hate him whereas I see no real reason to hate Kissinger other than the company he keeps.

                • The Cominator says:

                  And Kissinger did not help Mao into power, he adopted a concilatory policy towards Mao in order to drive a wedge between China and the Soviets. This is just sane policy.

                  And I don’t hate FDR nearly as much as I hate Wilson either, there were some genuinely positive things FDR did… whereas EVERYTHING Wilson did not only turned to shit but sprouted a shit beanstalk that is still growing towards hell to this day. I don’t even really agree with segregating the civil service as if the fed priests had to work with niggers they’d be more realistic about them.

                • The Cominator says:

                  “The gods have handed us a boon in that Hindus have been replacing Jews as the foreign enforcers of Empire in America”

                  Not really, American pajeets are in general much much worse than jews. There are VERY rare exceptions like D’Souza but most jews would be alright people if not for their leftist politics. And their nepotism and ingroup preference has limits.

                  Pajeets will get into a position of power in tech and ONLY hire other pajeets regardless of how incompetent they are (while preaching leftism) in a way jews will not… their leftism is far more bluntly hypocritical and ruthless (most jewish leftist seem to take the compassionate cover story of leftism somewhat seriously at least most of them this gives them limits, not Soros and other such types but most of them) and the hatred of whites among pajeets is far far stronger. Also about 1 in 5 jews are right wing and genuinely good guys… with pajeets this falls to about 1 in 50 to 1 in 100.

                  The only blessing is that a leftism with a jewish commissar class is going to be generally a lot less hated…

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  > most jewish leftist seem to take the compassionate cover story of leftism somewhat seriously

                  Pretty crazy to think someone actually typed this and meant it.

                • jim says:

                  Nah, not crazy at all.

                  Israel is one of the biggest victims of leftism. They shit in their own nest and think it is chocolate

                • The Cominator says:

                  Nah if there are any leftists who at least in the past believed they were actually doing good, and would try to do stupid they are either progressive christians or typical rank and file tikkum olam jews.

                  This was true 10 years ago anyway… they still all have to go.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  > Israel is one of the biggest victims of leftism. They shit in their own nest and think it is chocolate

                  Which is true and also not what was said.

                  Principlecucking is by and large a europoid phenomena; most other species don’t evince this kind of behavior to the same degree.

        • Jehu says:

          I’m honestly kind of surprised that this thing hasn’t gone nuclear yet. Actually I’m surprised about a lot of things—there are so many institutions and critically important companies that are so insanely brittle, but they never get seriously attacked.

      • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

        One part is the extra credit from his kosher pass.

        The other part is he was good at personally schmoozing with the right circles.

        • Ghost says:

          Kissinger, in the video, still had a picture of Nixon on his shelf. It is likely he felt, and still does, a genuine affection for the gentiles. Clearly he’s trying to be the voice of reason. Times were different back then. A lot of rot has taken place to bring us to this point.

          • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

            There was an argument amongst heebs at the time – well, one of many, as is generally the case – over whether they should try to make Israel jewish again, or try make America the new Israel. (That debate was never really settled, as it happened, more so much that everyone who cared about it died of old age.)

            Kissinger was an exceptional man; exceptional in the technical sense of the term, in degrees of divergence in attitudinal comportment vis-a-vis many other fellow travelers in his clade. Certainly it would be easy for one to assert, in philosophical terms, that a polygon of all Kissingers would diverge in behavior – one way or another – from the polygon we find in reality. But evidently, he was also a man who still found those more rabid fellow travelers copacetic, and did not break with them in any case, merely exhorted them to be more tactically effective in the pursuit of gnostic imperium.

            Now, you might argue that there inevitably comes a breaking point between further implications of ‘tactically effective’, and further implications of ‘gnostic imperium’, but just as evidently, Kissinger was not a man who crossed that point. Had he been born in the 80s, he would be Scott Alexander today.

            Post-war technocrats were a product of pre-war social capital running on inertia. Things like this are an emblematic example: http://www.leesandlin.com/articles/LosingTheWar.htm

            One of the first things of note is a breadth of learning that their inheritors simply don’t have; our later day epigones could breathlessly exhort the most fantastically banal calumnies with little to shame, guilt, or cognitive dissonance involved, because they have literally never encountered – or more particularly, never obliged to *entertain* – any perspective to the contrary. Those men at large through the mid 20th century did – they were a faction still on the rise towards power, against the last vestiges of incumbent civilization, not contentedly sitting on top of it, as the incumbent – and thus likewise the rhetorical products of such being more modulated, circumspect, conciliatory even.

            And yet in the end, one can’t help but get the impression that the author does not have a good word to say about anyone this side of the Anatolian Peninsula. Such is the enduring character of the bluetribesman, and no amount of learning, mentoring, or experience changed that.

            That which helped serve to make them into what they were, was also that which they helped serve to dissolve into nothing; in smaller part because many did not really understand what it was that gave them what they took for granted; in larger part because many did not feel the motivation to do so in the first place.

            Throne, Altar, Freehold, they benefited from the legacy of these things; yet they also felt no proprietary attachment to them; and so all the ‘practically minded realists’ allowed unreality to take over.

      • huh? says:

        Worst case, Ukraine is holding Russia to a 10% occupation and grinding trench warfare months after everybody expected it to be 100% over and done. Best case, Ukraine is attriting Russian manpower and logistics to a point where Russia will be unable to sustain combat operations – a logistical conflict where it’s Russian logistics vs Europe+North America logistics, and even if China wanted to make up for it they don’t have the land-based cross-Siberia infrastructure to do so. In neither of those cases is Ukraine anywhere close to losing and in fact both of them look like pretty big wins for Ukraine compared to initial expectations.

        What, precisely, is Ukraine’s motivation to surrender? They think they’re winning. Who surrenders when they’re winning?

        Russia’s choices are: full mobilization – which Putin seems to really not want to do and would take most of a year to have any impact anyway; continue with the present course and hope for things to magically get better – which, judging by actions, is exactly what Ukraine wants them to do; go nuclear – which could very easily result in the end of Russia, and the people in the launch-code command chain likely know that; or give it up and go home – which would likely be the end of the Putin government. This is not a good set of choices. If anybody should be asking for help with face-saving exits, it’s the Russians.

        Supposedly the Russian leadership is pissed that the chinese didn’t take advantage of the opportunity to move on Taiwan and split the West’s attention. This is why you always get ironclad commitments from allies rather than wink-wink understandings. Even Hitler handled this better with the partition of Poland.

        • jim says:

          Wars continue because both sides think they are going to win real soon now.

          The ngos sponsored Pussy Riot to destroy Russian memorials, and desecrate Churches as antifa has torn down ours, and were outraged when Putin did not allow it. They are still outraged. This outrage is the root cause of this war. Old type Christians in Ukraine have been fleeing to Russia from state sponsored persecution and terror for many years.

          Ukraine is losing. It is just losing far more slowly than anyone expected. It will likely continue to lose, without, however collapsing for a very long time.

          Putin has no surrender option. The Global American Empire is not agreement capable. This war will continue till one side or the other collapses. If Putin stops advancing or retreats, the Global American Empire will continue to push, and eventually push all the way to Moscow, tear down Russian statues as they have torn down ours, desecrate their Cathedrals as they have desecrated ours, and reconsecrate Russian Cathedrals to gay sex and Gaea worship, as they have reconsecrated our Cathedrals.

          There is no way Putin can end this war any time soon. Modern Information Epoch weapons make blitzkrieg impossible and suicidal, so he cannot end the war by rapid tank charges leading to rapid advance, nor can he end the war by retreat, for the Global American Empire will not stop advancing till it reaches Moscow.

          > continue with the present course and hope for things to magically get better – which, judging by actions, is exactly what Ukraine wants them to do;

          The best he can do is continue the war until something comes up, as it very likely will, or till he wins, which will take a very long time.

          • Anonx says:

            At jim
            what putin win look like?
            If GAE win will stop short of Moscow.
            Does not that mean putin win will have to continue all the way to Harvard?

            • jim says:

              I doubt it would be feasible or necessary for Russian troops to get all the way to Harvard.

              If airsea war reveals American technological incapacity to project power, we are likely to see the Global American Empire empire finding itself busy with troubles in its provinces. An empire is defeated when it can no longer intimidate its provinces. Marching on Rome is far downstream of those events.

              China and Russia lack the capability to make the oceans safe for transport of goods. I do not think the Global American Empire retains that capability, but no one wants to test that yet.

        • The Cominator says:

          If you are pro Ukraine please leave. Ukraine is a globohomo puppet state and fake country and ought to be wiped off the map.

        • S says:

          The worst case scenario for Ukraine is Paraguay in 1870.

          “Russia’s choices are:

          go nuclear – which could very easily result in the end of Russia, and the people in the launch-code command chain likely know that;
          …”

          So if Russia nukes Kiev the US will start World War 3? What if the Russians level Kiev with incendiaries? What if they take it with conventional forces?

          The obvious conclusion is any action Russia takes towards winning will increase the United States of launching nukes.

          So Russia’s options boil down to

          – escalate and kick off world war 3
          – stay the course
          – retreat… and kick off world war 3. Because if the Russians were weak enough they have to fall back they obviously aren’t a threat and the US will treat them like it treated Libya.

          So the Russians choose to stay the course.

          This means the Ukrainians have two choices- forever war or surrender.

          If the Russians make forever war impossible, the Ukrainian best option is surrender. The Ukrainians are working to get more men and material to put off the decision as long as possible. This will either run out of options (and force the decision on them) or find people willing to die to defend gay pride parades (this isn’t going to happen).

          • jim says:

            > This means the Ukrainians have two choices- forever war or surrender.

            Forever war is the neocon strategy. This is based on the successful Reagan strategy. Russia has vastly less wealth than the US, so bleed them till they are logistically unable to sustain war.

            Sounds plausible, but so far it seems to be the Global American Empire bleeding logistically. When Americans have to fill up the tank, or buy the groceries, and Biden tells them “Russian aggression”, they notice that Russian aggression is taking place on the other side of the world in a country they never heard of.

            The US can keep the Ukrainian army supplied with food, weapons, and equipment indefinitely, but the Ukrainians are suffering significant casualties and facing mutinies.

            It has turned into a war of attrition. Wars of attrition are apt to go on for a very long time, but they are getting attritted.

            I saw a video issued by a bunch of mutineers. They mutinied after relatively light casualties, upon receiving orders that were likely to result in far heavier casualties. They had not suffered unusual levels of casualties, but had enough battlefield experience to know the likely result of obeying those orders.

            No nation with a gay parade has won a war. I doubt that Ukraine will be the first. Will men die so that their sons can be transsexualized at school and fed to faggots?

            Our resident shill, Anonymous Fake, tells me that the Constitution commands us to embrace magic niggers. By the that reasoning, it also commands abortion at female whim, and commands us to transexualize our sons and feed them to faggots. Who will fight for that Republic and that Constitution?

            Today, liberty means the government takes away your guns, you home gets invaded by a black man with a gun. The police take a while to turn up, and the burglar hangs around drinking your beer and fucking your wife. They arrest him, the next day he is released without bail, and subsequently sentenced to zero time. Freedom.

            • suones says:

              > Will men die so that their sons can be transsexualized at school and fed to faggots?

              Yes. US Army men will. They’ve fought 2 World Wars and a Civil War for degeneracy. Their military leader/warriors are like Grant and Eisenhower who enforced “desegregation” at bayonet point. Underestimating the fighting potential and willingness of Gay Empire is a fatal mistake. Your comment echoes 1940-era Third Reich rhetoric, when they were expecting full Anglo support once they made it clear that their main enemy were the Soviet degenerates. Ha Ha, as FDR/Churchill/Stalin said. Soldiers are mobilised for war by priests. Enemy priests are pretty powerful.

              • jim says:

                > Enemy priests are pretty powerful.

                Their power has stretched beyond its limit. The fighting part of the US army is disgusted.

                The fighting part of Ukraine’s army is the nazis, old type leftists. Old type leftism could inspire an army. Not current year leftism.

                Before World War II they realized this and did an abrupt quiet U turn on feminism, making leftism a more army friendly ideology. Now they are no longer capable of realizing it, and have quadrupled down on all the militarily incapacitating positions that they threw overboard the lead up to World War II.

  44. The Cominator says:

    https://social.infogalactic.com/micropost/bbb9532a-4fa7-443d-b795-b678562226a5

    This is one of Teddy Spaghettis good finds, National Cuckview is not only cucked but gay.

  45. Cloudswrest says:

    Sodomy is America’s highest value!

    https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1529098763729371138

  46. The Ducking Man says:

    A meme came on my news feed yesterday, GPU is back on stock at msrp in my country (which is happening btw).

    I was told in this blog that the GPU shortage will last indefinitely because of economics, crypto, bla bla. But it appears to me it only took 1 crypto crash for GPU market came back to reality.

    But GPU crash telling me actually is how much inflation caused supply-demand disruption. I don’t know for sure the extend of this relationship, and I don’t think anybody knows the answer. But for sure leftist agenda to fuck up supply chain need bigger highlight.

    • alf says:

      As far as my crypto knowledge goes, which is not very far, GPUs used to be #1 for crypto mining, but recently have been surpassed by dedicated crypto mining hardware. This is what restocked GPUs.

      • The Ducking Man says:

        What you have in mind is ASIC mining which very specialized piece of silicone designed from bottom up for very specific application. We have ASIC mining for Bitcoin ages ago that is why no one mine BTC with GPU anymore.

        But as far as shitcoins and other big coins like Ethereum GPU mining is the way to go. That’s why GPU price is soaring high past 2 years because everyone is busy mining shit coins.

        Apparently on May 12 stable coin crash really hard (Luna and Terra crash), took down confidence on crypto market. It’s not even full month since then but GPU price already back to normal pre-covid.

        • Severian says:

          There are already ASIC miners for ethereum, coupled with price falling I think this is why mining revenue has gone down so much, bringing GPUs back to msrp.

          My RTX 3070 could mine 5-7 euro a day in the last crypto boom, now it would be down to 1.3 euro a day. Not worth it, even if you have lots of them.

  47. Kunning Drueger says:

    Frank says: “Practical advice on taking over your towns institutions, if for no benefit except denying the enemy, but hopefully to provide at least the smallest buffer before getting consumed by the feds and their policies.”

    In regards to Local Institutions, I’ve been puzzling over what to do when you have one. Plenty of candidates go in with bold and noble intentions, but the system in place converts them into members, or mitigates their efforts.

    How best to go about reducing the system in place? I feel like a successful campaign could be run on a single promise to reduce bureaucrat headcount. It wouldn’t even have to be tall talk. Instead of spending a bunch of money on campaign ads and other bullshit, a very simple, thorough study of open source data followed by a very simple summary analysis that is immediately released to the public. At the press release, you drop the number of jobs you’re committing to cutting. You could pad it with red meat for the base (“And that’s just where we’re going to start!!!”) and cajoling for the moderates (“If we start having issues, we’ll just rehire them! At higher pay and more benefits!”)

    If you pulled this off in the right county, you could probably actually free up some capital to reward the Faithful and cement your position. Built into this is a canary in the coalmine for RINOs and wussies. If they don’t hit their number, the party abandons them as the impotent, worthless shirkers they are.

    This Reductionist strategy could probably be ported to other areas besides local government. In all cases, it’s critical to calculate the demographics, finances, and population of the target counties.

    • Frank Matters says:

      I believe Orban’s strategy is instructive here. Say whatever it takes to get support for you to enter some public office with power to choose subordinates. It doesn’t matter if it’swhat you believe, or if it’s true, or if it’s possible. Stock every position you can with your friends. Fire or otherwise reduce every position held by enemies. Do everything you can to become an immovable object. Reward your allies at every chance, punish your adversary in every way. The whole time, your PR should be that of some milqtoast run of the mill local politician. The whole time, you should be providing as much pork as possible for your base, and they should know this. But most importantly, keep your friends close. If you don’t have friends, make them, they are necessary. Play to win, play like you’re fighting a war on all fronts, a war that has degenerated into an attritive slugfest, and you’re going to choke them out.

      • The Cominator says:

        Yes in politics reward your friends and punish your enemies.

      • suones says:

        @Frank Matters

        This is solid advice. The Left follows this to the letter. The Right needlessly hems and haws about what to say, when actually what’s important is what is actually done. Also, “fairness” and “impartiality” are anti-concepts used by Adharmics to prevent us from getting our own people, good people, into power. Remember Trump’s Make America Great Again call for resumes? That was flushed pretty quickly.

        Note on India: BJP is an abysmal failure at this. Even regional parties and (especially) Congress built power through this.

    • jim says:

      Long long ago I had a go at this, and quickly discovered that the fix was in place at every level.

      Orban got in by running undercover. You are proposing to attract votes by breaking cover.

      Votes do not matter. Have not mattered for quite some time, but in the past it was easier for them to maintain cover, and they were willing to let conservatives do the dirty work of dismantling initiatives that they had decided to abandon because too disastrous. Now it has become internally impossible for them to abandon anything, even if it blows up in their faces, though they can still quietly slide away from it.

      Which means the only thing they need conservatives for is to deny the election steal.

      • Kunning Drueger says:

        Votes don’t matter, but elections do, because they are opportunities to publicly demonstrate the farce of democracy. Who actually wins is irrelevant, with a rare few exceptions, but how the prize gets stolen can be strategically significant.

        Positions don’t matter, but membership does. Whether you’re the dog catcher or the dog catcher in chief, you’re a member of Them. What is done with this status is variable, but while the desperate desire for a return to normalcy coexists with any level of effort by the Cathedral to maintain the illusion of representative democracy, having allies and tribe members in titled offices is an asset.

        Jim writes: “Now it has become internally impossible for them to abandon anything, even if it blows up in their faces…”

        I think this is an astute observation. Maybe it’s been said already and I missed it, but the implications of this are interesting. Once the mask slips off, there’s no getting it back in without a different monster to distract from the revealed visage. Additionally, the faithful see the mask drop, and naturally assume the gloves are off and start acting far more bellicose. The end of the Obama regime tenure was when the hard left instantiated hot race war tactics, possibly from an abundance of confidence and a lack of restraint.

        In some sense, this is breaking from cover. But if it is done in places that don’t matter with people that barely exist, it is possible to begin building a body of precedence that can be used bo different people in other places.

    • Anonymous Fake says:

      [*deleted for presupposing the Harvard frame that our enemy is a spontaneous bottom up movement*]

      • jim says:

        The argument you are making presupposes claims that we reject. If you want to make that argument, first provide evidence and argument for those claims.

        No argument from fake consensus allowed on this blog.

        And no purported Christians telling us about Christianity if they cannot give us the creed and perform sacrilege against the demons that our state religion worships.

        You not only are unable to speak the creed, nor my summary version of the bits of the creed that are effective against our current crop of entryists, you are unable to perform sacrilege against magic Negroes, empowered women, holy gays, holy transsexuals, nor to doubt the awesome might of the Awesome and Mighty Covid Demon.

        • Anonymous Fake says:

          https://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe

          Nicene Creed. And filioque is implicit dogma even if not stated.

          Covid is just another stupid flu being used by demon worshipers to force Christians to take an abortion tainted vaccine that might someday actually be effective, but still evil. It’s an opportunity to grow in faith to reject a botched vaccine now, because we will have to reject an effective one later.

          Sodomites can repent, wives obey their husbands, and different races can respect each under under objective meritocracy based on truth, not the subjective opinions of man. All too easy.

          [*deleted for presupposing the official reality that the blue cities are valuable, productive, and they are blue because the best people are naturally blue.*]

          [*deleted for insane detachment from glaringly obvious reality. Charlottesville (unapproved), Occupy (approved) and “mostly peaceful protest” demonstrated that journalists do not let reality get in the way of official truth. If you think that journalists will report something discordant with the official narrative merely to get clicks, produce evidence*]

          • jim says:

            > Nicene Creed. And filioque is implicit dogma even if not stated.

            So, affirm the Nicene Creed, in full, or my short summary and paraphrase of the points that are effective in burning our current crop of entryists.

            > Covid is just another stupid flu being used by demon worshipers to force Christians to take an abortion tainted vaccine that might someday actually be effective, but still evil. It’s an opportunity to grow in faith to reject a botched vaccine now, because we will have to reject an effective one later.

            OK, impiety against the Awesome and Mighty Covid Demon. Pass.

            >Sodomites can repent, wives obey their husbands,

            OK, impiety against faggots and strong empowered women, pass.

            > and different races can respect each under under objective meritocracy based on truth, not the subjective opinions of man. All too easy.

            Failed to commit impiety against the magic negro.

            The races are different in that some are higher and some are lower, the higher races having evolved further from chimps than the lower races. If you don’t agree, make the argument.

            For blacks to flourish and enjoy physical safety, they need law that is simpler, swifter, and harsher than the law appropriate to whites. Separate but equal works, together but very unequal works, Together and equal will destroy your cities. If you do not agree, argue your position.

            • Kunning Drueger says:

              If you’re going to keep letting him through, maybe you should let him post, but only I get to respond. All other commenters are barred from any response. At some point, either I’ll have a new ally or he’ll get bored and leave. Midwit quarantine.

              • jim says:

                He is different from the regular shills, and seems to be putting more effort in.

                Effort to pass results in engagement with crimethought. If we turn a shill, we likely have a double agent inside an enemy organization. Also, I think his organization is a different one from the others.

                • Kunning Drueger says:

                  I think he’s just building a dictionary attack. Consider how much effort of response you’ve invested. How close is he to a Jim Approximation at this point?

                • jim says:

                  I don’t think the enemy can do a good Jim Approximation without risk of shills turning.

                  For an entryist operation, the huge problem is always double agents. Our enemies have always been extremely worried about double agents, and run a very tight ship to reduce that risk. They have been running a very tight ship for two and a half centuries.

                • Kunning Drueger says:

                  Off topic, but why do you give Them credit for that much time of institutional organization? Yes, the distributed process has been going on for that long, but the concerted effort? Nodes of coordination with Gramsci era and Frankfurt faggots. They really only started to coordinate in the late 50s, and they started to find and connect nodes in the 70s.

                  Consider Eisenhower. Historically, who did more for elevating the Academic and the Bureaucrat? FDR? I don’t think he was in in it, intellectually. I think he completely believed he was doing what’s Right. And JFK thought he was brilliant. But I think it was just rot at the upper levels of power, barely a shadow of what was to come. Tiny tendrils presaging an infection.

                  Just my opinion, but all they have, they stole. Maggots on the corpse of greatness.

                • jim says:

                  > > For an entryist operation, the huge problem is always double agents. Our enemies have always been extremely worried about double agents, and run a very tight ship to reduce that risk. They have been running a very tight ship for two and a half centuries.

                  Kunning Drueger says:

                  > Off topic, but why do you give Them credit for that much time of institutional organization?

                  Because all big conspiracies leak, and their big conspiracy has been leaking massively for centuries. Entryism and shilling against the Anglican Church, which back then exercised considerable power, was obvious and well known in 1800.

            • Anonymous Fake says:

              I affirm the Nicene Creed, for the umpteenth time. [*but somehow, you don’t*]

              [*deleted*] Separate but equal is unconstitutional [*lengthy explanation that Christianity holds beliefs, and has always held those beliefs that I just categorized as demon worship deleted*]

              • jim says:

                > Separate but equal is unconstitutional

                Is it now?

                When did it suddenly become unconstitutional and how did it suddenly become unconstitutional?

                Pretty much the same way as banning abortion suddenly became unconstitutional.

          • Neofugue says:

            > Nicene Creed. And filioque is implicit dogma even if not stated.

            Failed to recite the contents of the Creed that would burn a demon worshiper. The test is not designed to ascertain if you can provide a link, the test is designed to see if you can write the key sections of the Creed that would burn a demon worshiper.

            > Covid is just another stupid flu being used by demon worshipers to force Christians to take an abortion tainted vaccine that might someday actually be effective, but still evil. It’s an opportunity to grow in faith to reject a botched vaccine now, because we will have to reject an effective one later.

            Failed to commit impiety against the Covid Demon; I strongly disagree with Jim’s assessment. The test on Covid is not solely about asking whether or not you believe Covid is “just a flu,” the test asks you to commit sacrilege against Holy Science. Also “abortion tainted vaccine” reeks of mockery.

            > Sodomites can repent, wives obey their husbands, and different races can respect each under under objective meritocracy based on truth, not the subjective opinions of man. All too easy.

            Failed to commit impiety against the magic negro. The “objective meritocracy based on truth” sounds similar to that “objective meritocracy” which would give you a 6-figure legal job, which in practice would involve even-greater parasitism than is already embedded in the universities.

            Any person in the legal profession knows that the only law school graduates who get hired are those who went to either top-10 or on occasion top-15 law schools; if you were such a moron that you went into debt for a low-tier law school then you deserve to be working at Starbucks.

            • Kunning Drueger says:

              Tl;dr: fuck this nigger, he glows.

            • Starman says:

              I agree Neofugue.

              @Anonymous Fake

              “wives obey their husbands,”

              Saying wives should obey their husbands is pretty easy. A lot of McPastors who support the Great Satan’s family court system have no trouble saying so.

              What is truly impious against empowered womyn isn’t saying they should submit, but saying why.

              And so, Anonymous Fake, it’s time to answer (type out the whole answer in your reply, Anonymous Fake) this multiple choice Redpill on Women Question:

              Complete the following the sentence: Women misbehave because –
              [A] Capitalism makes them misbehave, by economically incentivizing reckless high time-reference behavior over long-term planning. The capitalist class benefits from one night stands and sterility, as it benefits from third world immigration of spendthrift cheap labor to replace frugal Whites. If it weren’t for capitali$m, women would totally be completely sinless angels.
              [B] The (((Jews))) make these totally innocent angels misbehave, since the Jews own the media and the entire entertainment industry from Hollywood down to the tiniest pornography studio, and use them to direct propaganda at women, telling them to fuck Blacks and lowlifes. There’s no way that pure White women desire to be on OnlyFans to whore for money. The Jews forced these angels on that website.
              [C] Sorry, but this is a misleading question. Women don’t misbehave at all. All misbehavior is done by men, who are vile pigs.
              [D] Lecherous men make them misbehave, since men are ultimately responsible for all female behavior (including misbehavior), and unlike women, men have self-control and moral agency. Thus it logically follows that any female misbehavior would merely reflect bad decisions taken by irresponsible and lustful men. It is men’s fault entirely, so men must be forced to pay for every bad decision done by any random women.
              [E] They are feral, blindly following ancient instincts from prehistoric times, which instincts tell them to cruise for rape by alpha male Chads, and to resist kicking-and-screaming all attempts to restrain them from pursuing alpha male Chads. Stable monogamy has always been a way to allow each man to own a woman so each man can start a family and raise a future generation for civilization’s survival.

          • Neofugue says:

            > abortion tainted vaccine

            Similar to the Socinians’ redefining of Jesus Christ into “jesus the lightbringer,” the above terminology allows the entryist to voice a plausible dissent against the Covid Demon without violating his faith in Holy Science.

  48. The Cominator says:

    Perhaps we need to meme a gradual dehumanization of the enemy… start out with its okay to siphon the gas of people you know who supported Biden… and then push it along…

    • Adam says:

      Start with it’s ok to siphon their gas and escalate to it’s ok to set them on fire with it.

      • The Cominator says:

        I like this guy…

        • Adam says:

          It’s taken some time to come around to accepting what must be done. Whatever leftism we allow to remain, will remain to corrupt and victimize the innocent.

          • The Cominator says:

            My only qualm is why valuable fuel should be wasted on a worthless leftist, blumt or sharp objects.

            • Kunning Drueger says:

              I, the Baron of Lostkoz, consider myself one of your most staunch opposers. Hilariously, my contention is mostly about the futility of it in the absolute (leftism is philosophical decay, and decay can’t be eradicated…), and less so, but more importantly the method you support doesn’t leave options open down the road for a better plan to contain leftism. Consider: however far away and challenging it may be to bring about Restoration, multiply it by a lot, and that is the challenge of successfully controlling it *before* it takes root. Extermination, heavy suppression, isolation, many other methods besides, they’ve all been tried. There’s a missing ingredient, something to realistically lengthen the timeline between Cast Into Darkness and Begin Spreading Again.

              I see it as a flooding problem. The TC Solution is an approach to the water present, one that is excessive and emotional and exactly what I’d like to see. But controlling the leak might require some of that water. Like pressure on the breach to reduce the velocity.

              P. S. How did you find Flesh+Blood?

              • The Cominator says:

                If you lack other means bittorrent.

                • Kunning Drueger says:

                  How dare you call me a poorfag, you boomer… I streamed it like a modern bugman.

                  I was asking because I wanted to know how you found it. Have you read anything about the making of?

                • The Cominator says:

                  Biden’s market has left me holding bags and pretty damn poor compared to what I was after quickly recovering from a leftist judge screwing AMRN. And with prices too low to sell covered calls on… so don’t take it personally. I think I’ll recover but this is the lowest point I’ve been in a very very long time.

                  These events have made my hatred of leftists far more raw lately too… I remembered seeing it as a teen and looked it up someday. Check it out you might like it or might not, I generally find Verhoeven movies are pretty damn good (even including his holocaust movie Black Book).

                • Kunning Drueger says:

                  I watched it the night you recommended it. Stunning work. I was going to do a little write up on it and post it here, but work got busy. Definitely recommend.

              • jim says:

                Leftism always starts with successful entryism against the state religion.

                Which problem has been a problem for millenia. Working solutions have been found repeatedly.

                You need an inquisition and you need to adapt your shill tests to the threat of the moment. And you need an inquisition to detect the threat of the moment.

                An individual heretic is not a problem. A few heretics each with his own heresy is not a problem. The problem is when you have a priesthood within the priesthood, united by their common faith against the state religion that they purportedly belong to.

                So, you have to detect groups within the group, and discover what they are talking about to each other – is it different in interesting ways to what they talk about to the mainstream of the priesthood?

                And having detected the group, you modify the shill test and purge them on the basis of association, on the basis of the content of their private conversations with each other, and a shill test directed at the tenets of their faith, and their creative interpretation of the older shill test that they successfully passed.

                Been done. Can be done again.

                Which in the past led to the shill tests getting longer and longer and longer, notably the thirty nine articles. You don’t want something like the thirty nine articles. Just apply the good bits that are honed to current threats.

                And you don’t want to apply something like the filoque generally. It was targeted to the special meanings a particular group of heretics came up with for the words of the existing shill test, and no one today remembers what it was originally intended to mean.

                Similarly, “kid in its mother’s milk” was originally targeted to a particular social ritual of a particular now long forgotten group of enemy entryists.

                You need to apply stuff like that to specific targets, not put in a catechism that is intended be recited by schoolboys.

              • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                Sure decay can be eradicated, you just cut it off.

                Now, i can hear that my hypothetical interlocutor, might object by saying, ‘okay, but this doesnt remove the *concept* of decay itself’.

                Alright, is this to say one should *not* cut away gangrene where it arises?

                No?

                Well, then there’s no point to be made.

                • Kunning Drueger says:

                  Point taken, but there’s subtlety and nuance to the procedure. An infected hangnail and a gangrenous finger require different approaches. Depending on the stage of decay, the relative health of the patient, the cause of the wound, and the medical history all come into play.

                  Many infections can be little more than a painful inconvenience if they are detected and dealt with early and fully. Many people die or get amputations because they didn’t pay attention or decided to avoid localized pain and didn’t express the wound.

                  Given the state of decay in the GAE, isn’t anything besides a full exit from the West a case of no point to be made, assuming we’re looking at things as Cut It Off or Don’t?

                • Adam says:

                  As long as it’s understood that leftism is a symptom, and not the root, kill as many leftist as you need to.

                  It’s an important distinction. Killing leftists and establishing divine order is necessary to serve the will of Gnon. It has to be framed and executed this way so we eliminate what is necessary, but no more than necessary, with the right motivation.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  The main error I so often find myself obliged to modulate, is the ‘abstract energy field’ theory of phenomenal causation.

                  That things like ‘conflict’ just happen to happen to some people because there is a ‘conflict field’ localized around the area they live.

                  That things like ‘richness’ just happen to happen to some people because there is a ‘richness field’ localized around the area they live.

                  That things like ‘leftism’ just happen to happen to some people because there is a ‘leftism field’ localized around the area they live.

                  That no things have anything fundamentally to do with the agents who constitute the substrate by which such phenomena are instatiated, the conduits through which they are channeled into being, the avatars in which they are resplendent.

                  Certainly we could say, that for any given game, there may be incentives to game the game – though of course it depends on the game; including the ultimate game. Certainly we could say, incentive cascades for short term defections against near over far are a perennial dogleg for games of civilization in particular – and certainly, those incentive structures exist today; and indeed, hardly more incentivized than at any other point in history this side of the millennia.

                  Which then begs the question; why are you here, instead of following those incentives?

                  A beings aesthetic sensibilities are it’s steering through the contours of Being; such forms it finds itself more or less attracted to; such forms it finds itself more or less repelled from; such forms it finds itself more or less capable of sensing of at all.

                  Wherever one may ere find exoteric differences in such things, as like party affiliations, or purchasing habits, or lifestyle choices, or google search history, or more besides, so oft can one find ultimately are downstream from an esoteric difference in Taste.

                  ~

                  https://dailystormer.su/gaze-upon-the-creepily-dead-silent-streets-of-locked-down-paris/

                  When you, or Andrew Anglin, or other normal person looks at a deserted city, they might feel a sense of dismay, or unsettlement, or despondency, or loss; all of these can be common sentiments. It might strike you as a shame, a waste, a tragedy.

                  But to a baizuo, the sight does not evoke any particularly ill feeling at all. Rather, in fact, it is *comforted* by it; such a sight gives it a feeling of ‘things are under control’.

                  More, since the baizuo projects itself onto the System, identifies with the System, such a sight gives it a feeling that things are under *its* control. That it has power, *Impact*, calming the burning pits of insecurity eating away at them inside. Little else there is that one finds stirring its spirits, that motivates it, that provides it impetus.

                  For such then does one so often find the liberal, the communist, the managerialist, the bureaucratist, the legalist, constantly driven to engage in such behaviors as displacement activities, sublimating such feelings. Performative gestures – regardless of their effects in reality; especially regardless of the calamity of such effects – by which it papers over that yawning chasm in its soul.

                  The thought of people, so many people, simply going out and doing things, on their own volition, is deeply distressing to the baizuo. It simply can’t stand the sight of it.

                  ~

                  With clockwork regularity may one find instances of a lumpenprog detecting instances of even the tenderest suggestion of human biodiversity, and immediately jump in guns blazing with the old ‘so you are Literally Hitler who wants to exterminate all races?’.

                  It is interesting to consider the implications of this – beyond of course the most prosaic level of ‘[heresy] detected, engaging [party approved devalidation protocol 88]’ that is.

                  The congenitally solipsistic is a creature that, at a base level, is defined by projection; it does not so much as construe models of the world with itself, but more so rather sees itself in the world (and is incomprehensibly disturbed any and every time experience proves a disconnection between the two). Thus why, for example, the criticisms it may level at others, can tell you about itself.

                  The reason your archetypical baizuo always and invariably inflates any more perennialist proposition, particularly with regards to humanoid carboniferous nanomachinic gestalts, into Ultra-Mega-Hitler, is because if it were to acknowledge the reality of evolution, that different populations are different in predictably and enduringly consistent ways, then that is *exactly how they themselves would approach the issue*.

                  And so right away then, of course, one can see parallels here in discussions of leftism. ‘If leftism has anything to do with people themselves, then we’ve got to start killing everyone, aND WHERE WILL IT END?!?!?!1/11/!?!?!!?!11!/?’.

                  This is implicitly bound up in another great intellectual sin i so often find myself obliged to modulate, which is what i sometimes call ‘categorically imperative’ thinking. Also known as Hippolyte Tain’s ‘Jacobin Mind’; also known as Revilo P. Oliver’s ‘Mattoid’; also known as Eric Vogelin’s ‘Gnosticism’; also known as Michael Oakeshott’s ‘Rationalism in Politics’; also known as Nassim Taleb’s ‘Procrustean Bed’.

                  There is no room in the congenitally solipsistic for nuance – literally. It swings on the branches of extremes, reductive adulterations, simple, and easy to compute. It is drawn to dualisms like a marble is drawn to a drain; such are the contours of its being. Its capacity for world-formation is like an aperture through which Being may pass into its mind; and every part that doesn’t fit through gets shorn off. Like a patterned net for catching objects; and things it doesn’t match with simply pass through unnoticed.

                  He can find no principled reason within himself *not* to be a paperclip maximizer, for a given ‘paperclip’, beyond perhaps a vague aesthetic sense that this might result in something undesirable. Which all stems ultimately from a lack of consciously realized higher values; which is to say, consciously realized higher teleologies, in the light of which phenomena may be assessed as participating in, or turning away from. The more transcendent teleologies a being is capable of conceiving of, the higher values it is capable of consciously participating in, before what it may receive from a Tradition, or conditional social validation, or insuperable demands of circumstance. Which is to say, its capacity for Agency.

                • Adam says:

                  The goal is not to avoid killing people it’s to avoid killing good and useful people. We have a lot of work to do once we establish order. Cooperation is hard, and extended cooperation is harder. How do you suppose we do that in this case? Mind you not everyone that helps us would be capable of participating on this blog.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  >The goal is not to avoid killing people it’s to avoid killing good and useful people.

                  Is that not obvious? This is precisely the issue i am touching on. It seems like a difficult problem to you because you are still looking at it like a paperclip maximizer.

                • Adam says:

                  Not obvious to me, but I am a father of three and help run a successful business so I do indeed maximize my paper clips.

                  Perhaps I should be moving beyond that, or perhaps it is the difference between academic and practical matters.

              • alf says:

                ‘what to do with evil’ is always an interesting question. I used to think everyone could contribute something, nowadays I think some people by nature seek to abuse Coop/Coop equillibria. Those people need to be thrown out.

                Personally, I prefer to do that case by case, based on people who have actively opposed me and my allies. If possible I’d rather have less killings than more. But I’m pragmatic; if many people really need a killing, then so be it. But if they don’t, they don’t.

                That Com wants to kill leftists because he didn’t pull out of the finance market the moment Trump was ousted seems like misplaced anger to me, but otherwise I really don’t care that much either way.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Nah i wanted to before… but im angry we have had a strange species of inflation where asset prices in tech (in areas that are still progressing and are probably going to whether the decline fine) go down in value…

                • alf says:

                  I know I know I’m taking minor creative liberties.

                  It’s not that I have ideological qualms against genocide of bad people (definitions of ‘bad’ may vary of course), it’s just that my ideology does not revolve around the idea. All I want is some peace, prosperity and victory… Maybe that’ll take mass murder, maybe it don’t.

                • The Cominator says:

                  You don’t get the Pax Romana without the mass proscriptions… not at this point. And we’re worse off than Rome was now because Sulla though he foolishly restored the Republic at least purged the extreme left.

                • alf says:

                  I do not doubt proscriptions are the right and only way. How massive they’ll be, we shall see.

                • jim says:

                  Proscriptions are going to be necessary in course of securing victory.

                  First victory, then law, then order. In that sequence.

                  The difference between me and The Cominator is that proscriptions can never eradicate leftism. What can eliminate leftism is making organized and collective defection an unprofitable strategy. Eradicating leftism physically is not going to work, because it is not a physical thing.

                  William the Conqueror, after victory, imposed order. Henry the First, the lion of justice, imposed law. Going from victory to order took a while, and going from order to law took a while.

                  Institution building takes time. The guys who assassinated Caesar failed, and for the most part died, because they thought that if Caesar dead, the Republic would magically come back to life, failing to realize that the Republic had died long before Caesar, and they themselves had murdered it. Something new had to be built, and Caesar Augustus was the man who built it. Took him roughly a decade or two of absolute and lawless power.

                  But I would much prefer to walk that path with as few helicopter rides to swimming lessons in the Pacific as possible.

                  What Caesar Augustus built had a flaw in its core – the divinity of the emperor. What we now call the cult of personality. Constantine fixed that. King under God. The peasant bows to the lord, the lord bows to the King, the King bows to Christ, and the peasant eats Christ sacrificed to man.

    • Frank Matters says:

      Already being done and much better than some petty campaign of inconveniences. They’ve made themselves into the party of the ulgy, demented, deluded, and malformed, and people have meme’d it into a deeper archetype. What do you think bugman means? What do you think it’s a prelude to? Most people don’t cultivate ugly bugs. I don’t think we need some cultivated meme approach, they’ve gone mask off enough that it just requires pointing it out in a funny and engaging way.

      Normies are gonna normie, greengrocers will put their sign up and tarry on. I would not expect a campaign of targeted violence to erupt except that which is endorsed. It looks like the FBI is perfectly capable of handling the petty terrorism of supermarkets, you think you could do better?

      No, the best thing to meme to those on our side is not memeing, it is to provide practical advice on vetting out entryists and shills. Practical advice on making deep friendships and relationships. Practical advice on taking over your towns institutions, if for no benefit except denying the enemy, but hopefully to provide at least the smallest buffer before getting consumed by the feds and their policies.

      The best things for the really talented to do is to provide as much human infrastructure for a potential caesar as possible. And if it turns out we only get a Lenin and a Stalin, to play as something like a Kolmogorov. This means parallel institutions of truth provision, goods provision, and it also means any possible entryism into the security establishment for warrior provision. I would stay out of the academy, though, they are more than any other structure out for total conformity. (Addendum to ‘things to do’: later I would like to consolidate my thoughts on the spectrum of the global political and economic options, for those willing to venture to the hinterlands of the empire in search of potential, if temporary, allies and outposts).

      • Kunning Drueger says:

        From time to time, the tree of wisdom must be watered by a flood of dank memes and deleted accounts.

    • Doom says:

      Anyone that memes would actually work on are already a part of the enemy.

      You’re wanting to convert the unthinking, uninformed masses to your side.

      People who support Biden aren’t a problem, in general, similar to how the average “anti communist” back in the day didn’t really understand the talking points.

      “THEY GOT NO RELIGION”, and, sir, how often do you go to church?

      The real problem are the people who directly benefit from the corruption of the elite/ruling class.

      I think the real question you want to ask is “how do we have another French revolution”.

      • The Ducking Man says:

        >I think the real question you want to ask is “how do we have another French revolution”

        We need to establish more elites which unfortunately we all know the problem with it is all elite institution are owned by leftists.

        Finding people with potential to become elite is easy peasy, but setting the path for them to become elite is privilege that currently only entryist and leftist have.

  49. Leon says:

    Does the daily stormer have a address? Missing all those memes.

    • jim says:

      http://stormer-daily.rw

      stormer5v52vjsw66jmds7ndeecudq444woadhzr2plxlaayexnh6eqd.onion

      Using a Rwandan domain name is interesting, since Rwanda was subject to a determined effort at genocide by “the international community” and survived it.

      When my youngest son was mid school, he was subject to the usual indoctrination about the holocaust, while the Rwandan genocide was ongoing, and got in trouble by calling out the hypocrisy. He did this without any prompting from me – on the contrary he drew my attention to the hypocrisy when school called me up. It was my genes, not my memes, that caused him to notice. Noticing was in his blood.

      IP location shows daily stormer location in the heart of the beast, in the Netherlands, but it is running on a vm provided by the Russian company Vdsina, which provides servers that are apt to move frequently on short notice, and frequently do, hence the IP location is unlikely to be meaningful. If the goons show up, will likely not find anything to disconnect, nor anyone to beat with batons.

      Vdsina is now substantially in the business of reconnecting splinternet back into the internet, since a lot of people in a lot of countries are finding that they can no longer route packets to Russia or through Russia.

      The internet treats censorship as damage and routes around it. Today, a part of Vdsina’s bread and butter is routing around censorship of Russia.

      Vdsina requires payment to be made in rubles. Due to Swift going down, probably cannot receive payment in fed aligned currencies.

      When Swift disconnected, people said that the Russian financial system was in chaos. Nah, the Russian financial system was connected to Swift, and Swift is chaos. And now people, myself among them, find themselves needing to use rubles as the international currency, because the ruble will work, when the dollar fails.

      Hence, despite recent events, still bullish on bitcoin and long on bitcoin. This is another buying opportunity.

      • JustAnotherGuy says:

        I don’t remember the specifics, but what was the reason the satanic cabal was going after Rwanda for? What problems did they have with tutsis exactly? I thought they worshipped them on the homefront so wouldn’t have problems tolerating their existence elsewhere.

        • jim says:

          Genetic diversity in Africa is very large, substantially larger than in any other continent. The differences between black races are considerably larger than the differences between American whites and American blacks. Rwanda was an embarrassment for the same reason as the red wolf was an embarrassment. (Red wolf was a charismatic species that illustrated that species difference between non human species are frequently far smaller, and interbreeding frequently far more natural and fertile, than interbreeding between human races)

          They exterminated the red wolf, and from time to time have attempted to exterminate higher black races for much the same reasons. Tutsi and similar black races are sacrilege against woke biology in the same way that the red wolf was.

          They love higher race black immigrants from Africa in America, because they are almost able to perform white functions. Not so keen on higher race blacks in Africa, where they oppress lower race blacks by merely existing.

        • suones says:

          Aristocide is a common way of subjugating a population. Can’t consolidate power in the J-Left if capable opposition remains. African elites are equally or more capable than East European elites, reflected in relative IQ statistics. Being elites, their mere *existence* is reactionary. Barack Hussein is the son of one such person. Gaddafi was another. Rhodesia and SA were places where the elite were a different skin colour to the populace, and were thus evident to Western proles (“Nazis”), but aristocide has being going on in all parts of Africa. Francophonie examples include CAR-Bokassa (dead) and Gabon (still current). France has been more tolerant of regional elites than GAE.

          They’ve tried this in India, but failed because elite fertility was so damn high. Only Moloch has partially succeeded where all else failed.

      • ExileStyle says:

        Curiously, the UK has just reached an agreement with Rwanda where Rwanda would take in all of the UK’s asylum applicants for up to five years, and then give them asylum if the UK rejected their applications. Rwanda’s doing this for mega cash, of course, but this might be about the only realistic course for dealing with the Africanization problem in the middle-term future.

        https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/memorandum-of-understanding-mou-between-the-uk-and-rwanda/memorandum-of-understanding-between-the-government-of-the-united-kingdom-of-great-britain-and-northern-ireland-and-the-government-of-the-republic-of-r

        Some interesting analysis by Andrew Joyce on unz.com: https://www.unz.com/article/thoughts-on-britains-rwanda-plan/

        I mean, why not? Anything is better than nothing at this point. If we can pay African countries enough to just absorb these “refugees” then all the better for everyone involved. Outsourcing economic cost to spare cultural cost, so to speak.

        • suones says:

          A caste-based society can take in unlimited immigrants and not self-destruct. It is only when immigration is combined with universal franchise democracy and dole/welfare that it becomes lethal. Local proles are always in favour of the latter two but oppose (only) immigration, which is why “anti-immigrant” is a marker of prole/low status.

          As long as Paul Kagame and Tutsis are in-charge Rwanda can absorb immigration upto its physical limits.

          • Whitey says:

            > A caste-based society can take in unlimited immigrants and not self-destruct. It is only when immigration is combined with universal franchise democracy

            Which always happens, thus the obvious folly of allowing mass immigration.

            Regardless, where are your examples of the first part being true? The most famous caste-based society, India, is an absolute hellhole in every respect despite being 99% Indian.

            • Oog en Hand says:

              The Gulf States treat all their immigrants as lower caste. Ironically, this is the model suones wants to emulate. Role reversed of course. Shaitanic.

  50. Ghost says:

    Math major hacks crypto using clever software exploit, makes $16 mil.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-05-19/crypto-platform-hack-rocks-blockchain-community

  51. alf says:

    Open off-topic question: anyone know links to montages on Trump’s 2016 election victory? I remember there being plenty of good ones, with uplifting music and media footage and everything, but it has been completely scrubbed off the internet. Even on bitchute, this is all I can find but I am looking for something shorter and Trump only.

  52. restitutor_orbis says:

    OFF TOPIC: I think Elon Musk is our best hope to be Jim’s Caesar.

    Obviously, like Caesar, he’s a scion of the elite. Like Caesar, he is very rich, very popular, and has a track record of success. And, as Jim has pointed out, his technology is key to US DOD capabilities.

    Elon Musk’s grandfather was a famous right-winger who led the Technocracy movement in Canada, believing it was the only way to save humanity from the foolish democratic socialism that was on the rise. He left Canada when it became socialist and moved to South Africa.

    As a child, Musk says that his grandfather was his primary influence on him. He is an open technocrat. He knows Canada was converged early on.

    As a youth, Musk was on hand to watch South Africa collapse from what, he must know in retrospect, to have been the woke mind virus. (That’s his term for it, so I’m using that.)

    As an adult executive, he saw California become infected by the woke mind virus, and moved his company to Texas.

    As a billionaire, he attempted to purchase Twitter in order to halt the spread of the woke mind virus online. The result of that has, I think, made him realize that the woke mind virus is an existential threat to him and all of his plans. He knows it’s the all-destroyer.

    He’s now come out as a Republican and is hiring an aggressive litigation team, warning “there will be blood.”

    If you look at Musk’s prior activities, it is easy to say he’s part of the other side because he has been closely aligned with groups like the World Economic Forum, the Green movement, and so on. I believe that initially he thought these groups were legitimately interested in the same things he was interested in, e.g. technocratic solutions to global challenges. I don’t think he believes that anymore. Caesar, after all, was in a triumvirate with the optimates at one time, until he wasn’t.

    I think he’s our guy and whatever political action we need from Caesar we have to think of how Musk could accomplish it. No one better is going to come around anytime soon.

    • The Cominator says:

      Link on Musk grandfather?

        • suones says:

          Tech priests are still priests. Rule by tech priests is as much a fantasy as rule by Vatican or Harvard. This is regretful, as I myself am a tech-priest. But until we have fully functional glamim, we need warriors, lots of them. After we develop glamim, we’ll need far fewer warriors. But the God Emperor has to be a warrior if the Empire is to succeed at all. “Technocracy” is a sham.

          • jim says:

            Glamin?

          • jim says:

            The problem with tech priests is not that priests cannot rule, it is that priestly rule always turns bad. Tech priests were a major competition to the woke priests, but the woke priests recognized that competition and dealt with it firmly, while the tech priests sought peace at any price, despite the fact that peace was not on offer.

            Priesthoods function primarily by collegial consensus, and consensus is apt to be dominated by the evil and the insane. And when there is power and money on the table …

            • Aidan says:

              The problem with tech priests is that they are not priests, and they receive their religion from actual priests. Now that I learned how do do some things with a computer, I realize that the confusion stems from the incidental fact that programming a computer involves typing the roman alphabet into a keyboard. You tell the computer to do something, and it does it, and if you use the right words in the right order, the computer does what you want. You feel powerful, and it simulates priestly power. I imagine that a low-status man has never felt more powerful then when he writes code and it works. But again, this merely simulates priestly power; it does not coordinate human action. “Tech” is not a religion, and the technocracy people always get their religion from elsewhere.

            • suones says:

              …the woke priests recognized that competition and dealt with it firmly, while the tech priests sought peace at any price, despite the fact that peace was not on offer.

              This is true. All we ever wanted was to be left alone. We didn’t hurt anybody. Didn’t discriminate against anyone joining our ranks. Our credo was “Shut up and show me the code,” and “On the Internet, no-one knows you’re a dog.” Our hobbies were firmly low-status and we self-selected for nerds and autists. I still cannot understand why it was that woke made us a target. Maybe they had run out of icons to smash so turned to any survivors, however small or insignificant. Or maybe they saw the dawn of the coming Information Age and hastily acted to secure it before it became out of control.

              On a personal level, it was the first time that I was shocked by the realisation of the absolute necessity of having warriors to protect us priests, any priests. The woke priests are ultimately backed by the Gay US Army, while we had nothing. Golem tech is not sufficiently advanced to counter a major Army, let alone the mother of all Armies like the US Army. The theoretical implications of Varnashram duty became starkly apparent in practice when Pax Dickinson was hounded out.

              But the zeal of woke priests is an indirect benefit. The first rival Empire to formally establish a tech-priesthood will be able to crush all opposition within a few generations. A lot of “US” tech was established by elite tech priests moving there from the world over, voluntarily or otherwise. It’s good that that policy is now being reversed.

              • S says:

                To show joy or happiness, to create or improve, to cooperate with your fellow man outside their control- all those cause the woke pain for it is what they are not. And to all these things they react the same way.

          • restitutor_orbis says:

            Well, I agree with you that people can generally be divided into distinct castes, which makes it a useful heuristic. And I agree with you that we need warriors 100%.

            But I also think there are exceptional people who can transcend caste and rise to historic moments. Joshua Chamberlain, who won the Medal of Honor at Little Round Top, was a university professor of theology and rhetoric before he became a war hero. Alvin York was a blacksmith who tried to avoid the draft as a conscientious objector. And that’s frontline fighting men. The number of unassuming people who’ve become politico-military leaders is even higher. Castro was a lawyer, Mao was a librarian.

            I don’t know if Musk is such a man. But it would not surprise me if he were able to be the man we need. No one else seems to be rising to the occasion, in any case.

            • suones says:

              Your examples prove the rule.

              Joshua Chamberlain came from a military family. His father, grandfather, etc were all fighting men. You can put a warrior in a university, but can’t take the war out of him.

              Alvin York was a prole, who are naturally good soldiers provided strong discipline. He was also a degenerate alcoholic, which is a well known failure mode of proles if they *aren’t* provided strong discipline.

              Castro was a “lawyer” lol. His father was a soldier. He hated America because his father had fought and lost in the Spanish-American War. Conquering Cuba was his avenging his father’s defeat and thus humiliation. He merely used whatever State Religion was expedient to accomplishing his goal. Which State Religion turned out to be Marxism.

              Mao was a peasant, agreed. But his father was a kulak with a lot more than two cows.

              • someDude says:

                You’re back at your fiery best. While the quality of your comments here and your blog post are both high, I’m noticing that some of your comments here are absolute Gems. Gems that your blog posts do not approach. Dharmic also noticed similar.

                For instance, this comment can be it’s own blog post titled, you can take a warrior to university, but you can’t take the war out of him.

              • restitutor_orbis says:

                Joshua Chamberlain, agreed. I missed his family lineage entirely.

                As for the other two, I still don’t agree:
                – York: Lots of proles are just low-caste workers and there would have been no reason to think otherwise based on his family. York was an exceptional man. He fought like a god, not like a conscripted prole.

                – Castro: I looked up Castro’s father. As far as I can tell, his father was a peasant who got *conscripted* into the army. His military record is, again as far as I can tell, of no distinction. He came to Cuba and became a successful businessman. If being conscripted into the losing side transforms your bloodline into warrior class, then the standard for “warrior” class seems pretty low.

                I don’t think that individuals are always and everywhere constrained by the average of their caste. If there were, we would never see social climbing, we’d never see men knighted on the battlefield, and so on. Breed usually breeds true but not always.

                Perhaps it is different in India where caste has been enforced for centuries, but in the West, a man’s caste seems a lot harder to predict just based on ancestry. Genius can show up unexpectedly, as can capacity for ruthless violence.

                • restitutor_orbis says:

                  Speaking of capacity for violence:

                  Errol Musk (Elon’s father) is a notoriously violent and abusive man. He personally shot and killed three men who broke into his home. A lot of people freeze up under conditions of high stress, panic, surrender, miss, get killed, whatever. He didn’t. It takes a certain measure of grit to slaughter burglars. Whatever that grit is, Errol had it. Does that change your view on Elon?

                • The Cominator says:

                  Fidel Castro like Fauci and Redfield had an extremely Jesuit educational background…

                • suones says:

                  There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of the Aryan caste-system here, exemplified by York and Castro.

                  The castes, while hereditary, are not set in stone. Upward mobility, though unlikely, is possible. New warrior clans arise from some non-warrior caste man achieving victory on the battlefield and proceeding to establish his own clan. A very late example being the Chandel Kshatriya clan, who used to be soldiers for Pratihara Kings, but later established their own clan: the most illustrious being Shri Maharaj Vidyadhara Chandrattreya who defeated Mahmud of Ghazni a dozen times and preserved Dharmic rule for a century. Also built the famous Khajuraho temples. There are innumerable “Vaishya Kshatriyas,” “Pal Kshatriyas,” “Lodh Rajputs,” the inimitable Mauryans, etc., of course.

                  Downward mobility is also very real, especially so for Brahmins. “High caste” is a gift of birth, but has to be maintained life-long. A single ill-timed misdeed can cause loss of caste.

                  In a just society (as opposed to the Gay Empire), Alvin York would have been dubbed Sir Alvin of Tennessee in a jiffy, later becoming Lord York of the House of Pall Mall in his old age. Instead the Gay Empire returned him to being a prole and an alcoholic. Served him right for fighting in a dishonourable Army, I guess.

                  Castro is another example, but a second generation one. His hatred of America was derived from his study of Spain’s humiliation in the Spanish-American War, and was implacable. (Cominator brings up an interesting aspect, him having a Jesuit/Catholic education opposed to Protestant America). Unfortunately, he chose Marxism as his vehicle, which precluded him becoming God Emperor of Cuba, and his legacy is now slowly slipping away.

                  Re: Elon
                  I have been a fan of Elon since way back. I was rooting for Tesla before they had a car in the stores. I’ve been a fan of the Paypal mafia since before Paypal was cucked. So I’m biased. Errol being “a terrible human being” per his son does nothing.

                  Postscript: Who do you think would be a standard bearer for the Gay Empire, and which one would be killed in “suspicious circumstances” — Douglas MacArthur or George S Patton? Look up their ancestry!

                • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

                  Genius and ruthless violence were selected for side by side. Nobility were nearly completely a military elite, and then they would send spare sons into the priesthood and other institutions to support the family. Rather than specialize by caste, as the Indians do, Europe bred for broad capability. One consequence being that talent and personality are a little more unpredictable.

              • restitutor_orbis says:

                Thanks for your further thoughts. I agree with everything you said much re: Gay Empire, knighting York, Elon, etc.

                RE: MacArthur vs Patton. My instinct is that MacArthur would be standard bearer for the Gay Empire and Patton would die (again) under suspicious circumstances. I say that based on reading Patton Papers and American Caesar and so on, I didn’t look up their ancestry.

                • Kunning Drueger says:

                  I used to believe the Macarthur Narrative, but after reading Odd Man Out and Cryptonomicon I wonder if he was possibly a /goodguy/. Truman regime was terrified of him going full on Rubicon.

    • Adam says:

      If he were to become Cesar, the cathedral will come after him like they do everyone else. Can he stand up to the charges of racism, sexism, etc. and not flinch? Does he have it in him to risk loosing everything? Are his people his people or do they have divided loyalties?

      • ExileStyle says:

        Remember that Julius Caesar only ruled for four years before being assassinated by the senatorial elite. He was then succeeded, after civil war, by Octavian (Augustus), who established the Empire, and under whose reign Rome’s greatest art and thought flourished. This is the archetypal form of Caesarism. If there had been only Julius and no Octavian we would no be talking about Caesar (or maybe even Rome) right now; he would have been one short-term dictator among others. There will invariably be civil war of some kind if a Caesar arises, whether palace-intrigue-style conspiracies or open warfare.

        Crossing the Rubicon is the beginning, not the end. Someone has to cross that Rubicon first, though.

        • The Cominator says:

          Caesar would have been fine if he did the right thing and proscribed all his opponents within the senate and equestrian order and never went without his guards…

          • ExileStyle says:

            Sure, he could have lived. But I am all-in on team Augustus. That man was a shrewd, cryptic genius who played everything perfectly and established the greatest political entity to have ever existed. And gave us Virgil, Horace, Ovid and company, to whom I am partial. And, of course, let’s not forget how he set the stage for Jesus.

            There was some mystical parallel between the murders of Julius Caesar and Jesus Christ, as many Christians have recognized through the ages. Their deaths created something sublime and enduring and greater than themselves, and the world would be less without their deaths.

            But that’s drifting off into distant fields…Musk is no JC, but you’ve got to take what you can get.

            • The Cominator says:

              Augustus had higher political acumen but Caesar had far better economic ideas.

              The Roman Empire would have industrialized for real if he lived…

              • suones says:

                Caesar was bad at business, knew he was bad at business, and was wise enough to leave business to merchants who he provided protection to, and who made him very rich in return. Which, co-incidentally, is the best way for a Warrior King to manage business — leaving it to the Vaishyas.

                Augustus was a better politician, evidenced by the fact that he did unto his hidden enemies before they did unto him, despite being in a far weaker position than Julius. Julius could have whipped a Senator to death in broad daylight and the public would only hace cheered. But he did not. Because he was under the delusion of being a “Common Man” who only came into power by “being in the right place at the right time.”

                As I’m fond of saying, if Julius had embraced his destiny and proclaimed himself Rex Imperator dei we’d possibly already be on Mars by now. Rule by Augustus and successors horribly stagnated technological progress and locked the economy into chattel slavery long after it became obvious that it was horribly inefficient. Which is far better than total destruction, of course, but not as good as can be. But the degenerate Roman state religion made Rex a four letter word so no-one tried it. Until Constantine, but that’s another tale.

                • Dave says:

                  i.e. The guild of millers “true roman bread for true Romans!”

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTxcTzCJZiE

                  one of the best running threads in HBO’s Rome, which is a good watch.

                • The Cominator says:

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oomJG8uVLMs

                  All mockery of jews and their one god shall be kept to an appropriate minimum.

                • suones says:

                  @Dave

                  The guild of millers “true roman bread for true Romans!”

                  No kidding. UK had this system till the 18th-19th century, with Royal Chartered “Honourable Company of X” as the highest governing body of profession/trade X, subservient in authority only to the King Himself. Pure Varnashram, as the gods intended.

                  @Cominator

                  All mockery of jews and their one god shall be kept to an appropriate minimum.

                  Must… resist…🤭

                • someDude says:

                  This comment can be the seed of a blog post titled, How Best may a Kshatriya manage Vaishyas?

        • Mister Grumpus says:

          “Hey Elon. It’s Peter Thiel. It’s time we have a particular conversation.”

          • suones says:

            When I see what Elon is doing, I find it hard to believe that Thiel isn’t in on it. Mars-steading is only the next step up from sea-steading. Also, selling a lot of snake-oil to Govt to ensure funds for Holy Crusade later. This is pure Thiel.

            • Mister Grumpus says:

              He’s the billionaire tech genius fat rolodex super homo. Slippery, poker faced and bulletproof.

              “Zero to One motherfuckers, what you gonna do now LOL?”

              Maybe the homo stuff is an act. Might have secret bitches and progeny on five continents by now.

            • jim says:

              Seasteading could never fly, because ships are utterly vulnerable to hostile action. Mars is considerably safer.

              • Kunning Drueger says:

                This would probably end up in the Trench Warfare failure mode, but couldn’t one have a seastead *with* hypersonic missiles? If the construct is big enough, it functionally becomes a mobile Spratly Island. Wouldn’t it then become the “landmass” that hostile naval assets couldn’t risk approaching? Further, if you float a satellite constellation in a construct-stationary orbit, you then have a veritable pillar of power, with the construct containing your subjects, orbital launch facilities, drone generating facilities, missile defense, orbiting top cover, and really nice gift shop next to the runway?

                • suones says:

                  This is what China is up to in the South China Sea. Unfortunately, it is only possible for a peer or near peer power. Asymmetrical seasteading is dead in the water (literally), as Thiel and others proved.

    • Kunning Drueger says:

      Whatever the case, sitting around and muddling over and over the same slate of topics doesn’t seem like it’s going to put us in a position to be useful. I imagine there are plenty of people here with massive individual potential and capabilities. But even the Lord Jesus Christ had a team behind him for his works on earth.

      We’ve gone over it many times, and I’ve personally screwed up my approach at making connections here, but if we cannot or will not find some way to transition to the next natural step, what are the options potentially available to turn Jimian Christianity into a faith worth killing/dying/living for? I’ve made my position clear; a book or books seems the safest and most attainable option.

      Adam writes: “Are his people his people or do they have divided loyalties?”

      IIRC Caesar had some pretty intimate and dangerous betrayals. Having a solid warband is one part, but drawing valuable men to your cause is also critical. Of all Trump’s many failures, failing to call the banners seems to be what relegated him to perplexing footnote of the late stage republic.

      • Milosevic says:

        I like BAP’s idea of simply having 2-3 close friends you can completely rely on and organise with. Solves the entryist problem, and you’re not on the radar of the state. With enough people creating cells like these, a lot of possibilities arise over time.

      • ExileStyle says:

        As I mentioned below, I like the idea of an outline, but books written by committee tend either to turn into a tepid, bland soup or cause bickering in the committee or, most likely of all, make sure a book never gets finished or even started.

        If Jim wanted to write a book, Jim would write a book. Not everyone reads books, though, and we are not necessarily looking for more book-reading types.

        Years and years of blog posts can be found here. Maybe you could do a greatest hits collection like https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/

        As far as usefulness – we know this blog is a part of the meme economy, and maybe a large part. Look at what Elon Musk is doing and saying publicly. Whether he reads this blog directly or second- or third-hand (we now know from some divorce lawsuit or whatever that he was big into WQ blogs), we know it has had an effect on him and many others. Peter Thiel is one million percent aware of this blog, I would bet my life on it.

        Look: we live in a different world than 5-10 years ago. Left is lefter, right is righter, eventually the band will snap and the vacuum will be filled. The ideas here are truer and stronger than competing ideas, and speak a dialect silicon valley spergs understand, so the ideas are well-positioned.

        As far as “connecting” outside of the blog – well, I think we’ve been over that many times. Ponder the fate of the Jan. 6 folks, or Andrew Anglin, whose site is being hunted from one nation to the next and only continues to exist because of his apparently inexhaustible energy levels. They even pressured Russia and China into taking him down. So at the moment we’re in the position where there is nothing to do but wait, and refine ideas. A Musk or a Thiel or whoever would find a way to reach out if they wanted to, I am sure.

        • Cataclysm Reawake says:

          >Look: we live in a different world than 5-10 years ago. Left is lefter, right is righter

          Intuitively this rings as true to me as it does to you, but I expect you and I move in similarly radical spaces. The Left is letter part is self-evident to anyone not living under a rock, but what evidence can you point to that suggests the Right has moved right? I pray that you are correct, but my suspicion is that normies are significantly more tranny- and gay-friendly than they were 8 years ago; quite possibly only in a Greengrocer way, but if so, that’s an assertion that requires evidence.

          • jim says:

            > but what evidence can you point to that suggests the Right has moved right?

            Our memes are penetrating. The Republican party is in the process of splitting between rinos and old type Christians. Rinos are still theoretically in charge, but in the ground game, find themselves bypassed and ignored, like the mainstream media that gives them their official talking points.

            The mainstream media has become irrelevant. The official Republican party is in the process of becoming irrelevant.

            • ExileStyle says:

              Some pieces of evidence are Tucker Carlson’s monologue every evening and Ron DeSantis’s agenda every morning and his consistency in executing that agenda. They are very influential across the Republican spectrum, and straddle the border between RINO and Old Christian.

              The institutional right isn’t “as” right as the institutional left is left, though, that is true. But more to the right than 10-20 years ago. I remember Tucker Carlson back in his bowtie days professionally hawking the Bush-family party line. No longer. Hence the emergence of people like Musk, center-left by the standards of a decade ago.

              I think the gay-friendly thing is just a RINO thing and belongs to the usual Republican pwn-the-libs defense mechanism. “Look, we’re kind people too!” With the right leader (or just control over Fox News), the Christian populist right would come back into the fold.

              I don’t see as much support for the tranny thing, especially now that it’s become religious theater. But it’s true, I don’t interact with Fox News world much.

              Once Roe v. Wade falls, people are going to realize that things thought impossible for decades are suddenly possibly overnight, and that most of this stuff is based on the same faulty reasoning of that ruling, or sitting on equally flimsy foundations.

              But really what “the people” think means much less than what elites with power think, and we are seeing shifts in that sphere. A Caesar would need to be able to communicate with and persuade the People, and right now the fractured state of right media is preventing coalescence.

      • alf says:

        To me the logical next step is organizing our own sunday church meetings. Why go to pozzed church when you can have based church. We have the entire model in place — how to choose priests, how to defend against entryists, and plenty of material to preach.

      • restitutor_orbis says:

        I try to actively promote key insights I’ve learned from this blog with writing I do elsewhere on the web under a different name. I hope others here are doing the same.

      • Adam says:

        Necessarily our guy is going to be a straight white male. For our purposes, at least in the west, we want and need strait white male supremacy and patriarchy. I don’t know what the management of Tesla and SpaceX look like. Everyone not a straight white male is going to have divided loyalties.

        An enormous amount of people are (rightly) going to lose out on a lot of free lunches if a reactionary were to take power. Including a great many straight white priests.

        Whites are more or less castrated right now. Hard to mount much of an attack from our position. Women, blacks, Jews and immigrants are all in on the steal. The number of self aware whites, above average IQ, and competent is small in comparison.

        I attended formal function at a charter school that teaches classical education about the time the Russia/Ukraine started. Very conservative school, extraordinary performance in academics. 3 years of Latin is mandatory. All republicans. The distance between their worldview and “make women property again” may as well be measured in light years.

        Musk is inspiring to watch, and encouraging. He is the Star Prophet. But turning things around in the west will necessarily include civil war, and burning Harvard to the ground. Trump couldn’t even roll leftism back 20 years.

        I don’t mean to sound defeated, I am not. It is quite a fitness test we and our leader face. Sometimes it seems almost unimaginable anyone could pull it off.

    • Zach says:

      For now, I think you might be right. It took him quite a long time to see what should have been seen much earlier. I’ve recently seen him make the “moderate” argument which is just a bummer. A moderate is not a fixed position through time and space.

      Hopefully he was trying to sound “civil” by uttering such nonsense.

  53. A2 says:

    Another example of failing to Caesar, found via substack.

    https://palladiummag.com/2022/05/11/why-catalonia-failed/

    (With some meme plutonium provided.)

  54. […] Jim notes that stagflation is here. An interesting debate was underway in the comments about supply versus demand being the cause. […]

  55. Frank Matters says:

    Look what we have here:

    https://twitter.com/DowdEdward/status/1527676104009322497

    I suggest downloading the pdf and looking at just who sponsored this, it’s a name we are all familiar with here. No spoilers!

    • The Cominator says:

      Okay who is Open Philanthrophy, I thought Soros with open society but don’t see it looking into them.

    • jim says:

      They say that they did not actually introduce the interleukin gene into monekeypox, just modeled it on paper.

      We now know that Covid got a kitchen sink load of gain of function modifications (but not interleukin) It will be interesting to learn of the differences between this monkeypox and wild type monkeypox normally found in monkeys.

    • notglowing says:

      Not convinced by this monkeypox thing.
      It’s nothing like covid, it’s not nearly as infectious and it is evidently being spread mainly among homosexuals for obvious reasons.

      Unless it’s an airborne disease it can never justify the same level of paranoia that covid did. We had many scares like this before every few years and most of them blew over.

      • jim says:

        It is now completely obvious that covid did not justify that level of paranoia either.

        Did not stop them.

        What might stop them is that the covid conspiracy is running out of gas.

        • notglowing says:

          Covid justified it, not in severity (which is a hard to define thing, some people always die) but in infectiousness, which was definitely significant.

          They could control every aspect of our lives because it was hopelessly infectious, spreading in defiance of any restrictions.
          It wasn’t as deadly as they implied, but many people did die with covid, because of it or due to other illnesses, and even if they admitted mortality was low, it was always easy to argue that putting a mask on to save any lives was justified.

          The thing is, we have pandemic scares every few years, we’ve had ebola before this.
          Most of them do not turn out like covid, because they’re not very infectious.
          There was no limit in how far they would go to push their nonsense measures, but there was a limit to how irrational the measures against covid generally were. They weren’t effective but it wasn’t random either. Though some local measures were pretty absurd.

          Maybe you are right and this is covid 2. That wouldn’t be the worst since at least it’s a change of pace, I’ll take anything over more covid.

          But I don’t see it for now. I think currently the most fitting story is that they are pushing this entirely to justify the WHO treaty stuff that’s being worked on. Treating it as the new pandemic seems premature and I don’t understand why they would pick this of all illnesses, and not another respiratory disease.

          The other question is, if they had this prepared, and it really is intentional, and they even have a vaccine, did they assume covid would end up exactly like it did? Something doesn’t seem right.

          • jim says:

            I think you have it backwards – that the who stuff was for the planned epidemic, rather than the epidemic for the who stuff.

            I conjecture that they sprayed this stuff at the normie population quite some time ago, no one got sick, and then when nothing happened, they threw in another gain of function genetic modification and then they sprayed rather more, and were rather shocked to find it was primarily gays getting sick, that they had manufactured another wrath of Gnon disease.

            Remember, fiery but mostly peaceful protests do not spread covid, but going to Church does. Therefore, to fight the terrible monkeypox epidemic, must vaccinate nine year old girls.

            • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

              Man, that would be hilarious, if they accidentally created a gay plague because they deluded themselves. If HIV is not a disease that causes AIDS, but it is GRIDS that allows HIV to flourish, then they might have wiped them out with a real disease if this monkeypox thing goes on. Between the Demon Vaxx and Monkeypox, faggots are going to get bushwacked.

            • simplyconnected says:

              Saw in normie news a reference to “vaccinating contacts of suspected cases”. Using cell phone tracking I’m assuming.
              Well, what do you know, the CDC was already talking about such “ring vaccination” for smallpox.

              Perhaps by amazing coincidence the uninjected will be found have been around suspected cases. Easier to deal with in small numbers at a time.
              My phone is staying in a Faraday bag whenever outside (for use only in case of emergency).

              • Karl says:

                Much easier if they simply ask any suspected case for contacts and threaten to treat any incomplete or wrong answer as a crime.

            • Joe says:

              The mutation rate from 2017-2019 was about 10 SNP per year. The genetic distance between the 2022 Portugal sample and the 2019 samples is about 30 SNP. Thus, time alone explains the genetic distance between the current strain and the previous strain, if the mutations occurred randomly.

              The best argument for gain-of-function is the lack of intermediate strains between 2019 and 2022. If the mutations were not random, that is, if the virus had mutated or was mutated to adapt to humans, then this would provide greater evidence for gain-of-function.

              https://virological.org/t/first-draft-genome-sequence-of-monkeypox-virus-associated-with-the-suspected-multi-country-outbreak-may-2022-confirmed-case-in-portugal/799

              • The Cominator says:

                Um didn’t Project Veritas obtain documents of Fauci’s department funding gain of function research at Wuhan…

                • Joe says:

                  That was for COVID, and I agree, it was quite obvious.

                  I am not saying that gain-of-function was not done for the current monkeypox outbreak. I am saying that there is currently no need for gain-of-function to explain what I know about this outbreak. This could change if new data becomes available.

              • jim says:

                The mutations of covid were not random, including one patented gain of function sequence, and some more changes that appeared in prior research.

                Monkeypox, however, could be just some monkeypox they grabbed from a human in Africa, and likely is. The spread, however, is suspicious. Looks like seeding, appearing in multiple countries near simultaneously.

                It is possible that it appeared in a bunch of black faggots in Africa, and spread through sex tourism. If that happened, evidence for that should be available. Maybe it is.

                • Joe says:

                  I agree that the spread does indeed look suspicious.

                • Herman says:

                  Maybe they just improved the monitoring of the illness and there have been the same number of people sick with monkeypox last year everywhere.

                • Severian says:

                  We now know there was a major spreader event in a gay sauna in Madrid that was internationally advertised across Europe.
                  So perhaps this is the cause for the cases popping up in different countries.

                • Joe says:

                  @Severian

                  Could be.

    • Encelad says:

      Nice find Frank Matters!

      …and, Jesus Christ!

      “Because monkeypox is not naturally found in [locality], local and international experts consider the outbreak to be unusual”
      -page 11

      This is WHO two days ago:
      https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2022-DON385

      • jim says:

        “Reported cases thus far have no established travel links to an endemic area”

        Someone seeded this for the WHO meeting that is now happening to vote itself authority to rule the world.

  56. Yul Bornhold says:

    https://twitter.com/ElminsterD/status/1528047016869101568

    Am now convinced that if Putin were to reinstate even a small measure of patriarchy, Ukraine would fall in a week.

  57. fable says:

    I absolutely love the idea of having many children with different women and building our BIG close-knit extended family together, but the evil stepmother tales bother me. But let’s imagine that these women are sisters, which means that “foreign” children are essentially nephews for them, which means they should perceive them well. Should it work? Well, what if they are just the same ethnic group and look alike?

    • jim says:

      Polygyny notoriously leads to trouble, but is reputed to work considerably better if the wives are sisters.

      • The Ducking Man says:

        As someone who grew up in polygyny household (both of my grandfather had 2 wives each). One wife will always get the shorter end of the stick so sense of competition (though fainly felt) always existed. Plus once the pathriarchy is no more children from different mother tend to avoid each other. Oh, and family tree gets super complicated (like my mother’s niece is actually older than her).

        • fable says:

          How many children did your grandfathers have?

          In my opinion, a weak sense of rivalry for the husband’s attention is good, the main thing is to direct this rivalry to productive competition so that the wives compete in who is more beautiful, more submissive, more caring, and so on, and not do petty meanness to each other.

          • The Ducking Man says:

            I used to heard like 5 each on my mother’s side, so it’s like 10 to 11 from my mother side alone. I don’t know my father’s side because they don’t like talking about it.

            It was definitely not roses like you paint it to be because my mother is still bitter about it. It was a long time ago so getting short end of the stick mean getting the martyr treatment (abused, poor, and starving).

      • fable says:

        It is a pity that there are not so many young sisters now, when the eldest has not yet turned into a whore, and the youngest is already legal.

  58. Frank Matters says:

    Jim, requesting links to your archive pages on ideal structure of a social network and the ideal structure of a cryptocurrency. Thank you.

  59. Mister Grumpus says:

    A lot of guys (like Vox Day yesterday) are running around with a deflationary counter-prediction. It involves debt defaults somehow. I’ve never understood it. Do any of you?

    • Neurotoxin says:

      I skimmed Vox’s piece. I’m not clear on what his argument is.

      1. Sri Lanka has defaulted and more defaults are probably coming up.
      2. ???
      3. Therefore, deflation.

      Not saying he’s wrong, just saying I can’t see the link.

      • Pax Imperialis says:

        Some of his past writing on the subject says that all modern money is debt, and that defaults which wipe out debt are essentially destroying money. If you destroy money that is deflationary by nature.

        No idea on how correct that is, but defaulting on the national debt can’t be any more inflationary than printing another 10 trillion whenever the fed feels like it.

        • Neurotoxin says:

          “Some of his past writing on the subject says that all modern money is debt, and that defaults which wipe out debt are essentially destroying money. If you destroy money that is deflationary…”

          OK, I recall Day saying this. A mix of correct notions and weird-ass notions. A lot of modern money is indeed debt, though not “all” of it is. And he seems to be saying that “…therefore all debt is money.” At least, that’s the only way I can read his argument. Weird. What’s the name of this fallacy? “Affirming the consequent”?

          “All cats are mammals, therefore all mammals are cats.” Gah!

          • Pax Imperialis says:

            With the way new money is introduced, and with how much new money has been introduced since the end of the gold standard, a substantial portion of modern money is debt to the degree that saying all modern money is debt is not so wrong it will get you into trouble from a policy standpoint.

            Technically you’ll be right to call what VoxDay is saying a logical fallacy, but pragmatically…

            Look if 95% of all mammals are cats, using the logic:
            “All cats are mammals, therefore all mammals are cats.”

            Will still get you a right result 95% of the time on average.

            The actual amount of physical currency, as much as we hate paper, is quite small at around $2 trillion or only 50 billion in physical notes. If we were solely dependent on physical currency starting today liquidity crisis wouldn’t even begin to describe the problem.

            The Federal Reserve’s balance sheet alone is nearly 5 times the physical currency supply. That’s not even getting into US local debt, state debt, or federal debt. Even civilian personal debt outsizes the physical currency supply.

            • Neurotoxin says:

              Sure, but Treasury bonds, state & local gov’t bonds, etc. aren’t money.

              • Pax Imperialis says:

                Except they are money. Not only are they money, they are how new money is created and introduced into the financial system without physically printing.

                • The Cominator says:

                  The reason why Vox Day is wrong about deflation is that rather than defaulting on it they are monetizing it…

                • Neurotoxin says:

                  Me: “Sure, but Treasury bonds, state & local gov’t bonds, etc. aren’t money.”
                  Pax Imperialis: “Except they are money. Not only are they money, they are how new money is created and introduced into the financial system without physically printing.”

                  The last part, “they are how new money is created and introduced into the financial system,” is true. (For some Treasury debt – not all of it!) The rest, no.

                  If you meant “they’re a financial asset” (in a certain sense of “asset”), then sure. If you meant “they’re wealth” (in a certain sense of “wealth”), then sure.

                  They’re not money because they’re not exchange media. Treasury bonds aren’t things you use to buy goods and services.

                • jim says:

                  > They’re not money because they’re not exchange media. Treasury bonds aren’t things you use to buy goods and services.

                  When you swipe a credit card, that transaction, accumulated with a great many others, leads to the credit card company moving treasury bonds from one organization to another. You swipe a credit card, your merchant gets a credit with your credit company, you get a debit from the credit card company. In due course the merchant has a larger bank account, the bank owes him, and the bank has more treasury bills from the credit company, and the credit card company fewer.

                  Banks all over the world are doing the same thing, so are numerous quasi state nominally private businesses, most of the fire economy, world wide, is using treasury bonds like money, not for spot transactions, but for final settlement of accumulated spot transactions.

                  If you do a transaction anywhere in the American hegemony, with anyone else in the American hegemony, it is likely that settlement of that transaction, accumulated with many other similar transactions, involves treasury bonds.

                • Pax Imperialis says:

                  @The Cominator

                  Very possible Vox Day is wrong, very possible he is right. There are limits to monetizing debt. Monetize too much and you get hyper inflationary runaway which ultimately ends in currency destruction and default. Most famous case was 1920s Germany, a highly deflationary period came out of that.

                  @Neurotoxin

                  Insofar a commodity is accepted by general consent as a medium of economic exchange it is money. With the way treasury bonds, and most forms of debt as well, operate on the market with extremely high amounts of liquidity, they act as a medium of exchange, as such distinctions between money and debt blur.

                  Of course it isn’t practical to go to a store in America and buy things with bonds, but that is the same type of impracticality as using Euros or Yen in America or using $100 bills at a hotdog stand. Think of debt as simply a currency/money that is used by financial institutions typically for large scale transactions. It’s still money, but not a type of money most people are using or prepared to accept.

                • The Cominator says:

                  “Very possible Vox Day is wrong, very possible he is right. There are limits to monetizing debt. Monetize too much and you get hyper inflationary runaway which ultimately ends in currency destruction and default.”

                  Which is not deflation and still tends to be better than massive deflation…

                  The Weimar hyperinflation didn’t lead to the government falling and Hitler coming in power, the massive depression deflation did so.

                • Cloudswrest says:

                  The reason why Vox Day is wrong about deflation is that rather than defaulting on it they are monetizing it…

                  The FED can do this but other holders of debt (eg Sri Lanka, the State of California, etc) can not.

                • Neurotoxin says:

                  @ Jim, Pax Imp:

                  (1) If Treasury debt securities were money, the idea of “monetizing the debt” would make no sense. Since T-securities would already be money.

                  (2) Indeed, if T-securities were money, the gov’t wouldn’t have to sell them for money. The gov’t could simply buy things – computers for the EPA’s offices, bullets for the Army, etc – by simply handing the T-debt over to the computer maker or bullet maker directly.

                • jim says:

                  Treasury securities are certain far less money that fiat dollars are.

                  Thus raising the interest rate on federal securities does have deflationary effect.

                  But the big financial institutions of the fire economy can and do use them as money in their big transactions with each other. Thus the deflationary effect of raising interest rates on federal securities is weaker than it should be.

                  For them to be effectively used as a deflationary tool, needs to be made harder for big institutions to move them around quickly and at small cost. Or better, most of the fire economy needs to be shut down. It is bloated, parasitic, and unproductive. Its contribution to GDP is fake. Its contribution to GDP records the operation of state power as arms length voluntary transactions. Arms length voluntary transactions create value. Transactions that are the application of state power and regulation generally do not.

                • Neurotoxin says:

                  “Treasury securities are certain far less money that fiat dollars are.”

                  Point of agreement. I’m good.

    • jim says:

      Why default if you can get away with inflating debt away?

      Debt default would be decisively and massively deflationary, but right now the US is successfully exporting debt to the American hegemony, exporting inflation. Debt default would be a dramatic abandonment of empire. Not going to happen until real interest rates become large and positive. Inflation is probably running at thirty percent or so, so that would only happen after nominal interest rates reached thirty five percent or so.

      Why let the bitter gun and bible clingers produce anything real, if you can trade paper for goods?

      • Neurotoxin says:

        “Why default if you can get away with inflating debt away?”

        My prediction is, based on history, about as radical as predicting that the sun will rise tomorrow:
        They’ll either inflate it away or default (or both). They certainly won’t call it a “default.” They’ll, e.g., default on 90% of the debt and say “We’ve passed a special tax on the rich, a tax of 90% of all returns to Treasury bonds.”

      • ExileStyle says:

        So let’s suppose for a moment the plan behind the Great Reset is indeed a Debt Reset through planned hyperinflation followed by some international agreement on “resetting” everyone’s ludicrous piles of debt and then shifting entirely to some GAE-run digital currency with UBI and all the other horror show stuff WEF fantasizes about. Let’s also suppose this somehow goes halfway according to plan (which I doubt, as these people prove themselves more incompetent by the day), at least to the moment of the reset. Putting aside questions of grotesqueness and evil, would it even be possible? Would this be a sustainable or even minimally functional economic/monetary system, or would it summarily implode? Is this something different than Politburo science fiction, as fantastic as the trans cult delusion?

        In other words, if globohomo were to achieve such a reset, how likely is it we end up in centuries of WEF pedo-tranny-communist serfdom vs. a few years of WEF fucking this all up, and then a quickish purgative collapse after which we can try starting to rebuilding again, maybe in some of our lifetimes?

        • jim says:

          > Putting aside questions of grotesqueness and evil, would it even be possible?

          Competent people capable of cooperating could implement it with no sweat. The great resetters seem to be part of, or led by, the elderly faction of the left from the days when universities selected the left elite from smart people. It is simply an account with the fed and a social credit score in every phone. Not that hard. Not altogether trivial either, you need a team of half a dozen good programmers.

          They are smart enough to do it. But the great resetters appear to be demon worshipers, and demon worshipers never accomplish anything, because always at each other’s throats, and fighting over the loot.

          • Arakawa says:

            Also, they deliberately hire incompetent underlings because competent underlings in a demonic priesthood are potential rivals.

          • Mister Grumpus says:

            It makes sense, yes. A new EBT card full of digital fedbucks, hooked to a credit score on my pocket panopticon. Simple as.

            The motivation is what I don’t understand. It’ll let them holodomor the badthinkers, I get that, but there’s so much Current Thing going on out there. How does one keep a team working diligently on this, through time, with all this Current Thing to keep up with?

            It reminds me of Jim’s take on the Khmer Rouge story. Centralized water resource management, planned by Experts. Simple as. But they never made it work because the Current Things came on too fast and hard for them to stay focused.

            Is that a fair analogy?

    • Oog en Hand says:

      Black women have eyes as well.

    • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

      https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/87026228

      The subversion of any remaining internet existence outside of the social media bubble has been increasingly accelerating in latter days.

      It really started in a big way back in 2007, when spooks spooked kirtanner, got in one little fight and his mom got scared, she said “you’re moving in with your auties and uncles on Langley Air”. Sold out the Gay Niggers Association of America (weev et all) and has been their running boy ever since. A perennial example of how even clever technically inclined men can be transformed by the touch of power into something antithetical to what they once were.

      The shining glow of the late Buffalo job seems to have served as a photocatalyst for the most recent spate of underminings.

        • jim says:

          I observed this in operation, and drew the same conclusions as he drew.

          State level attack on speech using shills and spammers by massively funded and massively financed state level actors with an enormous supply of IP addresses with the goal of deniably shutting down speech. Speech on almost any topic whatsover.

          • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

            These are the types of people that all should die. When we win this, I am going to spend every gram of political capital I have from the Restoration that I need in order to ensure that I can put these people in a game preserve in Canada or Alaska and let The Cominator go full Cominator on everyone inside. If you silence us, you will dies screaming your lungs hoarse for mercy that will never come, just another day in a lifetime of torture. Consider this the Reactionary’s Basalisk.

            • Neurotoxin says:

              “put these people in a game preserve in Canada or Alaska and let The Cominator go full Cominator on everyone inside.”

              They really can’t get this: If they won’t let us settle our differences by speech, because they censor us, and if they won’t let us settle our differences by voting, because they commit electoral fraud, then what other options are there but bloodletting?

              Yet you know that if and when it does come down to the Cominator solution, they’ll be going, “Hey, this isn’t right! We should be settling our differences by debate and elections!”

          • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

            Something else it highlights; no statal integrity, without a state religion.

            Can’t filter out squishy cucks or entryists from dedicated boon-companions without a pointed faith to give pointed tests of faith.

    • jim says:

      Found several monarchist memes on the Babylon Bee.

      Also, the Taliban reading diversity training, and concluding that troops so trained could not fight, echoing my meme that no nation with a gay parade has won a war. https://babylonbee.com/news/taliban-enjoys-good-belly-laugh-over-diversity-training-materials-left-behind-by-us-military

      Which gives me reason to believe Ukraine is going to lose, though the way the wind blows, may take a while.

      Also a monkeypox meme implying it is another bioweapon gone wrong, or perhaps right.

      • Severian says:

        I’m concerned a supposedly slow transmission virus like monkeypox is suddenly popping up in clusters all over the world.
        Maybe not so slow.

        • Mike Thalassitis says:

          I think transmission is probably slow, except for faggots having buttsex. Since they spend most of their time fucking random strangers, it spreads quickly. A lot of normies don’t realize just how degenerate the typical faggot is. The way the disease is spreading is a “mystery” to experts because no one will acknowledge this.

          Apparently there are some big pride events coming up. I’m looking forward to see the aftermath.

          Though given they tried forcing clotshot jabs on kids that were at no risk, I wouldn’t be surprised if they try it again with this.

      • someDude says:

        I can no longer see that article on the Bee

      • Jehu says:

        High trust societies are a serious force multiplier. Gay parades and the acceptance of homosexuality is a force divisor.

        Russia is a lot lower trust than the US and most of the EU, although trust levels are falling seriously generation over generation. But Russia isn’t facing significant force divisors on the gay parade side.

        If Russia can get to at least a moderately high trust society without surrendering on the gay parades, they can own the world. Alternatively, if they can weather the storm long enough, the West will collapse.

        • jim says:

          This war is likely to continue till one side or the other is decisively defeated. This is likely to take a long time, and may well involve the application of nukes.

          Holy wars tend to have radical settlements.

          • Jehu says:

            I too think nukes are likely. In Putin’s place, I probably would have already resorted to them. But Putin is likely better at brinksmanship than I am. My own internal algorithm is to look progressively upward at the levels of escalation and analyze the likely response until a level is examined that will likely lead to an acceptable outcome. My gut is that in Putin’s shoes, that best probability lies in a massive first strike coupled with some serious information age warfare, Afghan style to reduce the efficacy of GAE’s second strike. The kind of information availability presently allows for directly subverting your opponent’s trigger pullers, or nuke button pressers.

            For instance, if one knew the identities of substantial sections of nuclear submarine boomer crews, one could communicate with them to the effect: We know where your Amerikaner relatives live (supply pictures a la Trump ). They’re not on our nuclear targets list, but they COULD be if your boomer launches. Your families don’t have to die during WW3. Why should your families die for a GAE that hates them? I seriously wonder if the Soviets did any research and exploratory action during the Cold War of this form. I think it would be way way easier now—the information is more available and the morale is WAY lower.

            • Kunning Drueger says:

              Let’s assume that IEW is still nascent and nowhere fully realized for the purposes of this line of inquiry:

              Russia doesn’t have the nuclear option for 3 reasons.

              1) missile defense in GAE. A Russian first strike has to overwhelm all defenses to be successful. Due to disproportionate population reserves, the RF doesn’t have anything close to the “breathing room” that GAE does. So they’d have to hit multiple targets on multiple continents with multiple backups for each target in very rapid succession. If they miss a single critical node, that could be mission failure.

              2) RF can’t track incoming. Not to the degree the GAE can, anyways. They don’t have parity like they used to during the Cold War.

              3) global social backlash. Look at how they appear to have attempted to court GAE delusions in terms of the justice of their Special Operation. That to me raises serious questions about their ability to Grasp The Nettle. If they couldn’t be bold and decisive in their literal backyard, how will they contend with the widespread devastation a comprehensive first strike would entail?

              IEW is Russia’s only hope of survival at this point, beating GAE doubly so. It is absolutely possible for one well placed ICBM to decapitate the GAE, I guess. More likely multiple would be needed for a complete, successful decapitation. 10 years from now, maybe a sclerotic GAE might be more susceptible.

              This is all conjecture from my admittedly limited perspective. I very well could be missing something in the equation.

              • jim says:

                GAE Missile defenses do not work. Nobody’s missile defenses work. Hitting a bullet with a bullet is hard.

                Nukes are very good at destroying, piss poor at conquering. As soon as things to nuclear, the side that wants to conquer has lost, and the side that does not wish to be conquered has won. Were Russia to nuke a handful of big cities in the USA, they would not only secure their independence, but mine.

      • Ghost says:

        There may be a schism taking place among the virus acolytes. While Gates remains the high priest of covid, Warren Buffett is coming out as high priest of monkey poxx. So it looks like there are options.

  60. The Cominator says:

    Its possible we have 7 dollar gas soon, if gas is 7 dollars and any Republican governor wants to march on DC (Mastriano might) I do not think they will be opposed.

    • The Ducking Man says:

      I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it becomes 15 dollars by end of this year. WEF wouldn’t stop at anything to make our life miserable.

      • jim says:

        we are currently around thirty percent or so inflation per year. In which case, probably not fifteen dollars by end of year. On the other hand jihad on carbon proceeding.

    • Kunning Drueger says:

      I was just thinking about your prediction. Was it sustained $6 or $7?

      Also, where did you find Flesh and Blood?

      • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

        Flesh and Blood is the kind of modern movie that could never be tolerated by twitter today – but still a modern movie.

        Personally, i was greatly soured on Verhoeven when he adulterated Heinlein’s Starship Troopers. A funny adulteration, but still an adulteration. Of course, the full power level of such a narrative would have never flown in the post-war broadcast regime, but it just highlights the shame of how all the millions of people would have their perspective of it informed by it, not knowing the truth, being preempted from the truth.

        Never doubt the power of the megaphone; and imagine what you can do once you take it.

    • Calvin says:

      Gas is $7 in Los Angles today.

  61. Severian says:

    Look at our guy go!
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1527720691264520192

    They must be so pissed…

  62. Cloudswrest says:

    Far less funny than Scary Poppins!
    https://trends.gab.com/item/6286c760cd16e36da013f73c

  63. Oog en Hand says:

    Continue…
    “He has a point. While Romans being gay is not true (not even Greeks as a majority were, modern homosexuals amplified that) one should wonder why someone’s favourite age for his ideal woman is that when she’s more similar to the opposite gender. A 22 years old woman is better than a 11 years old one because her skeleton is more different than her same age male equivalent than the 11 yrs old foid compared to a 11 years old boy. Pedos being turned off the more curvaceous the body is cannot but raise a suspect or two. Now I’d rather get a blowjob from a minifoid than fapping alone but it’s far from the ideal or anything I would put in my fantasy harem.”

    • Gaieao says:

      Interesting he wants a blowjob despite saying the problem is non procreative sex

    • Pax Imperialis says:

      Life was brutal and short before modern medicine. Estimates of close to 50% mortality rate by age 5. A 22 year old woman in the Roman era is going to reproduce far less than those younger. It’s not fair to conclude the Romans, or any ancient people for that matter, were some how gay for preferring younger rather than older. If that society couldn’t reproduce in sufficient numbers with such high infant mortality rates they died out or were conquered by those who did.

      • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

        If you chase after women in their prime fertility window, it is going to take some time to start having children, which means at least a part of her prime fertility window is wasted. If you chase after pre-prime women, you get to utilize their entire prime fertility window when it comes up. Hence why European women are at their most attractive a couple years before their most fertile years.

  64. Oog en Hand says:

    Source: blackpill.club

  65. Oog en Hand says:

    “Incels always claim pedophilia is good because it’s natural to be attracted to teens. If that’s the case what makes homosexuality different? Animals and the Ancient Romans were also gay, and, surprise! They tend to be pedophiles too.

    So as you can see, it’s a bit of an oxymoron to hate gays and love children.

    Thoughts?Attraction to teens is by definition not pedophilia. Pedophilia is attraction to pre-pubescent children. Girls get their period around the age of 11-12. After period girls are capable of getting pregnant and giving birth. That’s why pedophilia and homosexuality are both mental illnesses because they both have in common the harmful attraction towards sex that does not produce an offspring.

    Ancient Greeks might have been more open towards homosexuality so the art confuses normies into thinking that faggotry was common. It coudn’t be because today when faggotry is super normalized about 1% or less of men are faggots. On the other hand attraction to teenagers is normal and affects most men despite the stigma behind it.”blacki

    • Aidan says:

      There are no straight pedophiles- not one. To the extent that men want to bang prepubescent girls, they are always faggots who are using little girls as a substitute for little boys.

      • jim says:

        Wanting to bang fertile age young woman is completely normal. Wanting to bang very young fertile age woman is completely normal. Wanting to bang pre-fertile age woman: Faggots.

        • Oog en Hand says:

          “Wanting to bang very young fertile age woman is completely normal. Wanting to bang pre-fertile age woman: Faggots.”

          Agecuck.

          • i says:

            Makes sense when you think about it. Far less difference between little boys and girls physically. Compared to what happens when puberty gets to work.

  66. Kunning Drueger says:

    Good idea proposed an earlier posts: a Trash Heap that’s read-only where shill scripts get dumped. I propose we call it the Gory Hole, or the Trash Heap of Xirstory or something else equally stupid.

    I also wanted to see if anyone likes the idea of a meta-section for commentary about the commentary, the tribe, and other insular stuff that can crowd out on topic discussion. Might not be necessary.

    I also wanted to reintroduce the idea of beginning work on Reactionary History: a summary analysis. This is the idea where we right about historical events, eras, and people from a reactionary frame so there’s a text we can point to/reference as an alternative to Whig Historical texts. Maybe just a place where we can post drafts and people can comment?

    I know this all equates to more work for Jim, so if these are dumb ideas, that’s fine.

    • Adam says:

      If this happens, needs to be in parallel with the stories in the Bible. If I was capable I would at least go through the New Testament and properly frame each story. If we do not define the meaning of these stories properly, our enemies will always define them improperly.

      • Pooch says:

        Yes I agree with this. The Bible is the best offensive weapon we have. Leftists and faggot Christians alike flee by the mere reading of bible passages as we’ve seen by Jim time and time again on this blog. The Word of God is incredibly based and our enemies tremble before it.

        I would say just mastery of relevant Bible sections, based on the topic in question, with reactionary and Jimian commentary would be incredibly helpful. A Jimian Study Bible if you will.

        Patriarchy, for instance, being of massive importance, one could just instinctively recite a passage to a faggot Christian.

        • Adam says:

          I agree. We must get back to obeying Gods commands. Less “I love Jesus”. Emotions are for women and children, they must not guide us.

        • Anonymous Fake says:

          [*religious advice direct from the people who worship serpent Christ deleted*]

          • jim says:

            You don’t sound like the usual Soros or FBI shill. I wondered where you were coming from. Now perhaps I know, or at least strongly suspect.

            Let me see if you can commit impiety against the Mighty, Awesome, and Holy Corona Demon.

            • The Cominator says:

              Jim i don’t normally care to hear his deleted comments but can i read this one…

              • jim says:

                I deleted it, and pretty much forgot it.

                He claimed that Christ and New and Old Testaments were no use against Demons, and in we should instead be using readings from assorted post schism Papal Church fathers, all of whom sounded mighty suspicious to me at the time that I read it, though I have now forgotten who they were.

                After the great schism, the Roman Catholic Church developed a great pile of heresies. These are still theoretically doctrine, though after the sack of Rome they mostly joined Saint Paul behind the water heater in the basement.

                Hence the well founded Protestant program of returning to older forms of Christianity, which swiftly and dangerously got holiness spiraled into ditching the sacrament of marriage.

                • Anonymous Fake says:

                  Liar. [deleted*]

                • jim says:

                  Commit heresy against the Mighty and Awesome Covid Demon, and give me the affirmation, and then I will discuss Christianity with you.

                  I suspect that you will have some clever meaning of the Christian words which will enable you to slide through giving the short and simple affirmation. That is how we wound up with book length affirmations, but, if you manage to get through it without catching on fire, learning how you did it will be illuminating.

                  You don’t like certain bible passages of which certain old type Christians are fond? If you give me the affirmation and commit heresy against the Demons of our state religion, I will be curious to find out which ones. But if the simplest of tests suffices, further theological discussion is unlikely to be useful.

                • Anonymous Fake says:

                  [*deleted*]

                • jim says:

                  Give the affirmation, and speak heresy against the might and awesomeness of the Awesome and Mighty Covid Demon.

    • ExileStyle says:

      >beginning work on Reactionary History: a summary analysis.

      Reactionary history is just history written before the turn of the 19th century, more or less. Especially in languages other than English. (Didn’t moldbug have an old saw that all he really did was “read old books”?) Even flaming Massachusetts Unitarian radicals and French Enlightenment liberals wrote about women and race in ways that would cause even some posters here to blush. (Schopenhauer and Nietzsche are always a delight on women, and Voltaire on the JQ still has its “whoa man that’s pretty intense” moments.)

      Hell, even Marx reads like a reactionary sometimes. The reason he writes about “community of women” and not “gender equality” is because the fact that women were property was as obvious to him as the sun rising in the morning; his issue was with their redistribution *as* property.

      And if you start, as Yarvin did, with Carlyle, he’ll lead you off in all kinds of directions…

      • Pooch says:

        (Didn’t moldbug have an old saw that all he really did was “read old books”?)

        Yeah I think he said just read anything before WWII and it will be inherently reactionary in a way that is beyond all comprehension to a current year leftist.

        Google Books is a great resource for old books.

        • The Cominator says:

          Hell even Ian Fleming’s James Bond novels are incredibly reactionary to a current year leftist

          (Can’t remember the exact quotes but it was something like this)

          Tatiana: James when we get to England you won’t let me get fat, you beat me.
          James: Of course I will.

        • ExileStyle says:

          Felt the urge to reread Schopenhauer’s “On Women” just now; it’s as great as ever: http://theabsolute.net/misogyny/onwomen.html

          This was actually considered on the more “misogynistic” side of things by the standards of the time (1851 in Germany), but a completely acceptable and popular way of thinking about women, and about the idea of women’s equality which was just then starting to emerge.

          On women and alpha men, in 19th century vernacular:

          Nature has made it the calling of the young, strong, and handsome men to look after the propagation of the human race; so that the species may not degenerate. This is the firm will of Nature, and it finds its expression in the passions of women. This law surpasses all others in both age and power. Woe then to the man who sets up rights and interests in such a way as to make them stand in the way of it; for whatever he may do or say, they will, at the first significant onset, be unmercifully annihilated. For the secret, unformulated, nay, unconscious but innate moral of woman is: We are justified in deceiving those who, because they care a little for us … imagine they have obtained rights over the species.

      • Kunning Drueger says:

        Even if it were that simple (a date demarcation, and I have my doubts), there’s too much that happened, and too much of what’s happened has a bearing on what’s been written. That’s why I think we need a summary analysis. A text to point to to mitigate the repetitive necessity to Simple/Gentle Introduce men to Concepts and Anti-Concepts.

        • ExileStyle says:

          So like a history *of* reaction rather than reactionary history? I could get behind that. I like reading lists.

          My first intuition is that we would have to distinguish reaction proper (literal “reactions” to leftist revolutions like de Maistre) from free-standing philosophers/theorists like Hobbes, Spengler, or Carl Schmitt.

          We’d also have to nail down a few questions of definition – such as the role of a specific church or faith. Writers like Machiavelli or Spengler are simply not Christian, though they have much interesting and useful to say.

          The Catholic Church wrote a ton of great politically and intellectually reactionary stuff up to the mid 20th century. “Syllabus of Errors” references a lot of this work. https://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9syll.htm

          • Kunning Drueger says:

            So No, not at all what I meant, and yes, that would be awesome. The first wave of NRx was fond of reading lists, but the links decay over time, so it doesn’t hurt to have a new one.

            In terms of delineating, forcing into categories, even if it isn’t a perfect fit, has some utility, and making it dichotomous can be instructive.

            What I’m proposing is way take “your” reading list, apply the tools therein to the “mainstream” narratives, and generate an alternate (when necessary) narrative to the history of literate humanity (as well as a prehistoric biological assessment, but that topic a necessary condition for the need for this tool). So instead of just having the hilarious meme of “you believe WW002 had an obvious good side and bad side →you believe it was a complicated conflict →you know the War of Progressive Aggression had obvious good and bad sides” in its mind virus form, we have something more substantial, more sophisticated, and written in a style my great grandfather would find worthwhile and convincing.

            I remain convinced it would be a tool worth having. But I’m also into what you’re describing. It’s been done before, which makes the process easier. Almost always cheaper to build off the ruins the forge your own, yeah?

            • ExileStyle says:

              Ah, I think I see what you’re getting at. I feel like that could take one of two forms: a Spengler-like two thousand or so page tome (I’ve been meaning to get to work on mine…) or, more realistically for the moment, a kind of tidy summary of historical event redpills?

              Just brainstorming here: maybe it could be like a kind of short catalogue/list of received leftist opinions people absorbed in school or wherever, followed by a succinct high-level redpill summary with further references for the interested?

              Like “Samuel Adams was a principled republican patriot” countered with “Samuel Adams was a privileged trust fund kid who was a vocal terrorist and drew thousands of people into a war against his king and his people’s god without regard for consequences”?

              Maybe also renaming some stuff? Thinking of the “Glorious Revolution,” the whiggest bullshit name of all time and kind of where Jim’s narrative begins…

              Short enough and succinct enough for someone to absorb in an hour, with references for further research or something. That could be interesting.

              • Kunning Drueger says:

                “maybe it could be like a kind of short catalogue/list of received leftist opinions people absorbed in school or wherever, followed by a succinct high-level redpill summary with further references for the interested”

                I think this is a great point of departure, with the caveat that more details/sources/expansion to follow. One cool thing about this approach is that, if you track the responses, you could probably figure out which topics are more or less critical to the Cathedral narrative, then target resources in that direction. Another cool aspect is using the Moldbug style A/B storyline to draw distinctions, which can be quite effective when applied to the big standard postmodern. Yet another cool aspect is the idea of building the whole thing to be shared, and having the components also built to be screenshotted/shared. Obviously, reading the whole thing is preferred, but having easily sharable, self-contained sections would be very useful.

                • qwert says:

                  The only reactionary thinkers Pooch could come up with are Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, Voltaire, and… Marx. But now you’re all ready to write the definitive breviary of reaction.

                  Blind leading the blind.

      • sdfsd says:

        Carlyle was an entryist:

        > Whether this interpretation be right or wrong, it is certain that the effect of this new point of view upon one of his visitors was wholly disarming. The bitter and unlovely vision vanished; my armed neutrality went with it, and there I sat talking with Carlyle as fearlessly as if he were an old friend. The talk soon fell on the most dangerous of all ground, our Civil War, which was then near enough to inspire curiosity; and he put questions showing that he had, after all, considered the matter in a sane and reasonable way. He was especially interested in the freed slaves and the colored troops; he said but little, yet that was always to the point, and without one ungenerous word. On the contrary, he showed more readiness to comprehend the situation, as it existed after the war, than was to be found in most Englishmen at that time. The need of giving the ballot to the former slaves he readily admitted, when it was explained to him; and he at once volunteered the remark that in a republic they needed this, as the guarantee of their freedom. “You could do no less,” he said, “for the men who had stood by you.” I could scarcely convince my senses that this manly and reasonable critic was the terrible Carlyle, the hater of “Cuffee” and “Quashee” and of all republican government. If at times a trace of angry exaggeration showed itself, the good, sunny laugh came in and cleared the air.

        https://gutenberg.org/files/68129/68129-h/68129-h.htm

  67. Doom says:

    Sorry, I must disagree. You’re describing symptoms, I think – eg “technological decline”

    The problem is twofold :

    Inflation in the terms of “money printer goes brrr” and the hollowing out of real productivity.

    If you’re very smart you know what your labour is worth and you also know that you’re being underpaid.

    I’m guessing the amount of cheap chinese shit and fancy new bathrooms and kitchens that the average Jim commenter owns is significantly lower than average.

    Basically, because the Cathedral resents skilled labour, both physical and intellectual, but still actually needs it, they printed money to the point that you can’t actually buy it anymore.

    I do agree that there is a decline though, but I am pretty bearish on the matter. People are most productive in their late teens-late 20’s and the current populations in the west in that age cohort have been very poorly socialised and educated.

    We fucked.

    • Pax Imperialis says:

      For white collar work, people learn to be productive in their late teens, early 20s. They are mildly productive by their mid to late 20s, but the real productivity is in their 30s.

      Interns don’t do shit for a very, very long time. More often than not it’s one guy in their 30s to 40s doing 80% of the actual value creation. There are some geniuses/highly motivated who are creating high amounts of value in the late teens-late 20s, but those people tend to get more productive with age until their 50s, not less.

      Not too sure about most blue collar work, but my suspicion is that most trades require 10 years experience before real productivity happens and that tends to put people in their late 20s anyways.

      We’re fucked because locking things down due to covid disrupted the whole process by which people even get their foot in the door to begin to learn by probably close to a decade. We have long term low productivity baked into the system which means inherent shortages for a decade even if the money issue vanished overnight.

    • Adam says:

      Quite a few generations now have been punished for competence and rewarded for incompetence. It’s no wonder we are short on heroes.

      The raw material is here, but it’s going to take a radical change to jumpstart the process of building heroes. If your not capable of getting pussy, and the money you earn is worthless, not much incentive to do anything more than the bare minimum.

  68. The Cominator says:

    Lol they are trying to metoo Musk, it will fail miserably.

  69. JustAnotherGuy says:

    https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1527411444035244039

    https://twitter.com/BillPascrell/status/1527326674253389825

    Literally don’t understand the thought process behind shutting down *all* oil drilling and then making law that you can’t price gouge on gases. This regime is literally fueled by nothing but hatred for the Amerikaner, how does the premier-ultimate-geopolitical strategist faggot Zeihan rationalize this crap?

    • Cloudswrest says:

      As mentioned on this blog previously (it’s too hard to find old comments here) and echoed by Jim on Gab:

      Our officially unofficial state religion simply hates America and Americans, as the Jews who ruled Russia from 1916 to about 1932 simply hated Russia and Russians.

      And now they have a free hand.

      Hence:
      Cancelling natural resource leases,
      Opening borders to hordes of third worlders,
      Rapid inflation,
      Political police in every corporation of import,
      Looting the taxpayers to “harm” Russia, but having the opposite effect, destroying US world financial influence, and harming Europe to boot

      • The Ducking Man says:

        What is with Jews hating on Russia and USA?

        Indonesian and Japan used to be sworn enemies now we are friend. Same thing with US and Japan now they are friend.

        People having deep rooted hate on national identity *also winking to India and Pakistan* need to chill. If people can’t befriend each other at least need to behave properly like civilized human being.

        • Ash says:

          Why would India (or anyone for that matter) befriend a neighbor explicitly guided by a monstrous, beastly religion/ideology who’s ultimate goal is to either subsume or exterminate you.

          • Oog en Hand says:

            “a monstrous, beastly religion/ideology who’s ultimate goal is to either subsume or exterminate you.”

            Like, er, Buddhism?

            “The burning of the Jaffna Public Library (Tamil: யாழ் பொது நூலகம் எரிப்பு, Yāḻ potu nūlakam erippu; Sinhala: යාපනය මහජන පුස්තකාලය ගිනිබත් කිරීම, Yāpanaya mahajana pustakālaya ginibat kirīma) took place on the night of June 1, 1981, when an organized mob of Sinhalese individuals went on a rampage, burning the library.[1] It was one of the most violent examples of ethnic biblioclasm of the 20th century.[Term][3] At the time of its destruction, the library was one of the biggest in Asia, containing over 97,000 books and manuscripts.[4][5]”

            Source: Wikipedia

            • The Ducking Man says:

              See, this is exactly what I’m talking about. The fact that people can hate someone just because some book and some people told them so is stupid beyond comprehension.

              Being raised moslem I know preachers telling me to hate on everybody else, while sucking on arab’s cock. Even koran says so. Took me a while to fuck this shit and never look back.

          • suones says:

            @Ash

            Why would India (or anyone for that matter) befriend a neighbor explicitly guided by a monstrous, beastly religion/ideology who’s ultimate goal is to either subsume or exterminate you.

            Because the Western border of Bharat can only be secure if the natural Wall of the Hindu-Kush range is safe. If Hindu-Kush falls to the enemy, all areas upto the Indus are easily overrun, and when the Indus gets crossed eventually, Hastinapur comes within reach. “Indo-Pakistan” border is militarily indefensible, just like the borders between Indian states. It requires a Wall of Steel at great human and materiel cost to maintain this fake “border.”

            Pakistan needs to revert from dar-ul-harb mode to dar-ul-amn mode for this to happen. Which is mighty difficult. But it absolutely needs to be done, on a civilisational timescale.

            @Oog

            Like, er, Buddhism?

            Lankan “Buddhism” is more anti-Dharma rather than a positive affirmation. Lankan rakshasa society is divided, and the divisions take the form of “religion.” The battles are older than Buddha himself. Ramayana contains an example where a northern God King (who I personally respect) caused a regime change in Lanka by executing its pretender God King and installing his loyal brother in his place. Which Dharmic regime made Lanka a powerhouse till Shri Samrat Ashoka the Great introduced Buddhism.

            My Final Solution to fake and gay “Buddhism” is going to involve celibacy or elephants (credit to brother someDude for the idea). The only Dharmic Buddhism I can discern only exists in Thailand, where the King explicitly acknowledges his Dharmic duties, respects the gods of his fathers, and has the same regnal title as the famous northern God King I mentioned above: Shri Maharaj Rama. This is not a coincidence — Thais have also built a replica of Shri Maharaj Rama’s capital city, Ayodhya, as Ayutthaya. Which cities are not twinned cities due to the Indian Govt being the adharmic one. Also helps that the Thai military is fanatically devoted to King and Dharma, which gets no end of criticism from Molochite and Yahwehite priests alike. After the fall of Nepal, Thailand is the only Dharmic state left standing.

            @The Ducking Man

            Congratulations on repudiating foreign mental slavery. Too bad you fell for a different Semitic con. The Blood in your veins did not come from Arabia, nor from Jerusalem. Feel it. Hear its call. The Sky is our Father, the Earth our mother, our power is the Divine Sun, and our symbol is the Swastika. Quit joking around. Recognise who you are. Become what you were born to be. Blood is thicker than mere words in a book.

            • jim says:

              After you guys fix your demon infestation, then you can give us lectures on the original Aryan faith.

              The faith of our Aryan fathers died near the end of the Bronze age, and what was remembered at the start of the iron age was weak against demons, and suffered severe demon infestation in the decline of Greek of Roman civilization.

              You guys remembered it longer, which is why your civilization did not collapse at the end of the Bronze age while western civilization did, but you now have intolerable demon infestation, and unless you fix it, the only real alternative is Christianity, which is strong against demon infestation, though very far from bulletproof.

              No way we could revive the original Aryan faith, unless we first revive the strong and extreme patriarchy, and keep it running for centuries.

              Further, no one remembers the original Aryan faith of the west, only the hopelessly corrupted version that existed at the dawn of Greek and Roman civilization. Western pagans are limp wristed faggots, because they are trying to remember and revive that which was already dead. And your version is not in much better shape.

              • Well, by inappropriately invoking the bogey of “demon” worship, your Evangelical Christians and the Desert Warriros did more to destroy all the surviving native ancestral faiths in Indo-Aryan lands long before Progressivism arrived on the scene.

                And Hinduism is the only major religion to still have ancestor worship to this day. And there was a functioning patriarchal Hindu society even up to the time of my grandfather’s father, which started to rapidly decline only during the time of my grandfather when post-independent Indian Government, inspired by European Socialism and Harvard, implemented all kinds of evil laws to empower women by giving them succession rights in ancestral property and effectively destroyed the traditional Hindu marriage and inheritance laws, followed by other such “innovations”.

                Yes, Hinduism did have its demons prior to that point, but the real problems started only after Harvard started its “Christianizing” mission.

                I simply ask you to not go by what modern post-Hindus say, just as you ask us not to go by what the modern post-Christian says. They are just as Progressive as the Harvard “Christian.”

                • jim says:

                  > Well, by inappropriately invoking the bogey of “demon” worship, your Evangelical Christians and the Desert Warriros did more to destroy all the surviving native ancestral faiths in Indo-Aryan lands long before Progressivism arrived on the scene.

                  I have read up on the last days of paganism.

                  Nothing inappropriate about it. Indeed it needed that treatment much earlier, but there was no tolerably healthy state religion around to apply it.

                  Long before Christianity, paganism was demon infested, and quite some time before Christianity arrived on the scene, died of natural causes.

                  As I said, the remembered religion of modern western neopagans was dead already.

                  Which is why modern western neopagans are a bunch of limp wristed faggots. What they are trying restore was already dead long ago.

                  As you point out, Modern Christianity is also in bad shape, and thoroughly demon infested.

                  But the rot in your faith is a great deal older. The British conquered India the way Alfred the Great conquered the pagans. The Rajas were too busy killing their brothers, their sons, and their fathers to fight the British.

                  Your most immediate enemy is converged Hinduism, as ours is converged Christianity. But even before convergence, no shortage of demons.

                • suones says:

                  Long before Christianity, paganism was demon infested, and quite some time before Christianity arrived on the scene, died of natural causes.

                  This is a fact. The “success” of foreign desert faiths is a trailing indicator of spiritual corruption. Baphomet/Yahweh can only make headway when a man himself abandons mos mairoum. It is no coincidence that Islam made the greatest conquests in Bharat where Buddhism was most prevalent, and thoroughly failed where the Old Gods were awake.

                  I was at a religious sacrament a few days ago, and in the midst of cucked sermons, the Brahmin made sure to 1) remind everyone that the yajman, the offerer of sacrifice, was the chief benefactor here and worthy of respect, and 2) during the ceremony, explicitly made sure to remind everyone to understand that our forefathers are actually there with us, and to seek their blessings as with the gods. No demon can ever win as long as a son worships his Father and his Father before him, and his Father’s gods.

                  That said, my exhortation was only for The Ducking Man, who has taken but one step towards darkness, and still has a live faith to back him. A Dharmic military power is also nearby, in Thailand. Unlike, say, modern Rus-ians. The position of Western Aryans is far more dire.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  The key fact is that adaptive forms of western christendom still exist in recorded memory.

                  Whereas, by the time the Romans got around to recording things, theirs was already on the way out – memory of the adaptive forms largely lost in the sands of time, only fragments and echos existing in the icelandic sagas and vedantas.

                  The rot had set in as far back as the axial age, given the existence of the sophists.

                • i says:

                  “This is a fact. The “success” of foreign desert faiths is a trailing indicator of spiritual corruption. Baphomet/Yahweh can only make headway when a man himself abandons mos mairoum. It is no coincidence that Islam made the greatest conquests in Bharat where Buddhism was most prevalent, and thoroughly failed where the Old Gods were awake.”

                  Sorry how is God Baphomet? Can Satan drive out Satan?

                  Given how many evil demons fear Christ and is easily defeated by him. And all magic gets nullified by his presence.

                  I don’t that is a coincidence.

                • i says:

                  Even if you invoke your Aryan Gods against Christ.

                  I doubt they can ever overrule the Most High God.

              • Oog en Hand says:

                Shotgun marriage presupposes shotgun.

                Take the following cases:

                A Muslim deflowers a Christian virgin. The Christian men take their shotguns. The Muslim summons some fellow Muslims who take their AK-47 and RPGs with them.

                A Heathen deflowers a Christian virgin. The Christian men take their shotguns. The Heathens also take their shotguns, but point out that if the Christians have e.g. their knees destroyed, there won’t be any euthanasia.

                Constantine claimed to be Christian, but so does Biden. You can’t use “history” to prove “Christian” superiority.

                • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

                  First case, the guys with shotguns call on me, and I summon my soldiers. I burn the mosque where the Muslims pray, kill their women and force them to watch their sons be fed to pigs before I cut their knees and toss them inside the pen to be devoured. The daughter goes back unless one of my men wants to marry her, in which case we throw a party and talk up his slaughter of the infidels.

                  More realistically, the Muslims would have looked sideways at one of my men and gotten their knees broken earlier in the week, so they would not be bothering our women. Muslims can be easily cowed by brutality. The much more likely scenario is a pretty Muslim girl getting grabbed by one of ours.

                  The second is too ludicrous to take seriously. Pagans actually getting laid, or having the balls to get a gun and enforce their claim? Haha yeah fucking right get real son.

                • The Cominator says:

                  “Kill the women” nah you kill the men and take the women as captives…

                • i says:

                  @Wulfgar Thundercock III

                  “burn the mosque where the Muslims pray, kill their women and force them to watch their sons be fed to pigs before I cut their knees and toss them inside the pen to be devoured. ”

                  The Greeks didn’t do this. Neither did the Indo-Europeans. Only the East Asian societies do this.

                  Women normally as spoils of War is the normal Aryan way along with the rest of the looted wealth. Unless resource scarcity makes that impossible to sustain.

            • Ghost says:

              Christianity provides Western Civilization with sufficient authority to build family and society. The present decline is not a fault of Christianity, it is lack of faith that has caused this.

              This civilization rebels against God. It does the opposite of what should be.

            • i says:

              “Congratulations on repudiating foreign mental slavery. Too bad you fell for a different Semitic con. The Blood in your veins did not come from Arabia, nor from Jerusalem. Feel it. Hear its call. The Sky is our Father, the Earth our mother, our power is the Divine Sun, and our symbol is the Swastika. Quit joking around. Recognise who you are. Become what you were born to be. Blood is thicker than mere words in a book.”

              Meanwhile the 1000lb Gorilla continues to work:
              https://www.unz.com/akarlin/sixth-proof/

        • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

          On an abstract level, smaller clades can have greater tendencies for generational hatreds than larger clades.

          On an object level, this particular tribe of eurasians is extra ordinarily prone to backbiting behaviors.

    • Red says:

      >Literally don’t understand the thought process behind shutting down *all* oil drilling and then making law that you can’t price gouge on gases.

      Cause gas shortages and thus force people to drive electric cars and bikes. Cause de-industrialization for muh-Gaia Demon. That’s the principle behind it, but the goal is the same as always, hand over control of the apple carts to leftists so they can loot it.

      • The Ducking Man says:

        >but the goal is the same as always, hand over control of the apple carts to leftists so they can loot it.

        Power hungry bastards then, still power hungry now. I’m really suspecting they are literal devil descendant.

        • Neurotoxin says:

          “I’m really suspecting they are literal devil descendant.”

          Of course they are children of the Devil. Whether literally or metaphorically is almost beside the point for understanding them and predicting their behavior.

          As just one trait (of many):

          Satan is the Father of Lies.
          And what is the signature feature of leftist rhetoric and propaganda?

          • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

            SJWs Always Lie. Weirdly enough, they lie when the truth would serve them better. It is like a compulsion they have. I used to have arguments with people back in the day about this sort of thing, and I noticed that happening a lot. Just slipping in little lies, where the actual truth would make a better point. They are a bunch of evil fuckers.

            • Neurotoxin says:

              “Weirdly enough, they lie when the truth would serve them better.”

              I first noticed this with Bill Clinton and Al Gore. They lie just for the hell of it.

      • Doom says:

        The point of it is that they know very well that there are not enough resources for *everyone* to have an electric car.

        That’s the point. Peasant class visible by material wealth.

        Clothes used to maketh the man.

        But now, it’s easy to buy a “fake” outfit that looks as good a quality

        And people don’t really know enough about cars, they don’t care enough, to distinguish between a good quality, status signaling car.

        And, practically speaking, people don’t care about it that much – theres no social status in being able to drive across the country anymore because it’s become so cheap.

        So how to signal your high social status?
        Solution : Make personal transport unaffordable.

  70. Cloudswrest says:

    A sad (perhaps tragic given the talent) example of pussy in the workplace.

    https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1527274543366123525

    • somedude says:

      Apparently, he’s got job offers from China, Russia and UAE. Why does he not take them? No income taxes in UAE to boot. His behaviour is hard to understand. Must have been a male feminist himself in which case he deserves this.

      • Neurotoxin says:

        “Must have been a male feminist himself in which case he deserves this.”

        Maybe. But then, maybe this i just a cope. Maybe you’re just saying that because it lets you think, “His fate was avoidable; I just have to avoid making the mistakes he made.” It would give you the illusion of control, in other words.

        Bullshit. This is perfect example of our host’s saying: Society has given women superweapons. And now a woman scorned – like whom Hell hath no fury – can totally destroy your career, because you took her at her word when she said she wanted a casual, open relationship.

        • Frank Matters says:

          The guy chose to be, not even a martyr, but a victim. He was offered a place to exist and do his work. This is insanity, this is submission to an evil faith. I’m not disputing the, literal and legal, privileges of the female here, and the destructive nature of these privileges. The fact is, he chose to accept his removal, this is an implicit acknowledgement of the supposed correctness of it. His career was not actually destroyed, only his position in the American academic system. In the past, such a mind with many states chasing after him, would move jurisdiction. It’s a situation with historical parallels. Yet, he chooses submission. There is no courage of spirit left in our most talented, or of there is it is perverted to terrible ends. What a tragic time we live in.

          • Neurotoxin says:

            It’s true that he should have fought harder, and as you say, he has other options. But the entire situation should not exist in the first place.

            • someDude says:

              Yes, the situation should not have existed in the first place. But we have to live in the world as it is and not as we think it should be. Now that the situation is here, we have to figure out how to go about it. This fellow gets Job offers from abroad and what does he do? Mopes around!!

              Sorry, but I’m having a hard time sympathizing with him. Just take your boy and go to UAE, man! Then I’d root for you, Dave!

              • Neurotoxin says:

                “This fellow gets Job offers from abroad and what does he do? Mopes around!!”

                I agree that this is stupid of him.

              • suones says:

                I agree. Living as a slave of the sheikhs is better than a slave of the Jews. What I wonder is what it would take for Bharat to get top-tier folks to migrate here. A special state-within-a-state with patriactionary laws? If the Baphometans can manage within their retarded sharia framework, surely we can too? Might need a few more nuke tests and the resulting gay sanctions tho.

                • someDude says:

                  I wish I wish I wish I wish I wish ………….

                  We’re so far away from this that ………. Sigh!

      • Pax Imperialis says:

        It’s almost as if he has a 11 year old son he loves whose entire social life is rooted in America. Leaving for China, Russia, or UAE would either mean moving his son into a completely alien environment leaving behind all his friends and extended family or abandoning his son to be completely raised by a his likely jilted ex wife.

        What can possibly go wrong with raising a kid in a culture he doesn’t even know the language of or even belong in?

        What can possibly go wrong with leaving your son under the complete influence of a jilted ex wife?

        Do you have any idea how both of those situations would jack up his son’s life?

        These kinds of situations are far more complex than a man choosing to be a victim, martyr, or blue pilled male feminist.

        From the article, “Sabatini spends his days shuffling around, watching Netflix, caring for his 11-year-old son and taking calls from lawyers.” If the article is true, Sabatini is doing the only thing that truly matters at this point, doing his best to make sure his son doesn’t grow up alienated or castrated.

        • C4ssidy says:

          These countries always have international schools with English language and curriculum

          • From what I’ve heard at least here International schools are direct or indirect Cathedral-controlled institutions.

            At this point the West seems to be in, it might actually be better that children are not exposed to globohomo and any country that protects children from or at least minimally exposes to globohomo “culture” should be a feature not a bug.

            I know it’s a tough choice, but between alienation and castration (spiritual or actually physical) alienation seems preferable.

        • someDude says:

          Just take the kid with him to China, take up the Job offer there and show the middle finger to the ex. Yes, China is an alien environment and its going to be hard. But the boy will have a Dad who is acting like a man! Better a dad who acts like a man in a strange world than one who acts like a simp in a familiar one.

          • Pax Imperialis says:

            That is an option, but a hard non-intuitive option for most people. What I wish to point out is that it’s not always so simple of a choice for most people. There are many costs and benefits. From the outside we are tempted to be biased to the benefits, for those experiencing these things they are biased towards the costs.

            Suppose the man ran off to China, Russia, etc with his son and gave his ex the middle finger. You can bet that USG would make it their mission to retrieve the child and destroy the man to make an example in such a high profile case. Would he be safe in China, Russia, etc? You’ll find that even China has on occasion given into US demands for extradition of people hiding in China. Running to China or any other of these countries would thus depend on maintaining political favor. Maybe he succeeds, maybe he fails. Hard to tell when one is not privy to those systems.

            Suffice to say it’s not an easy decision for someone in his situation. Not saying you’re wrong on what he should do… but to say in many of these cases people do the understandable wrong decision for the right reasons, such is human nature. For that I refuse to call them stupid or some sort of simp.

            Now if Sabatini spends the next 10 years doing nothing but watch netflix… calling him out for that is important, but right now this is likely still a very raw ,highly bitter moment for him in which mental clarity is not present.

            The most neutral decision he can make from his prospective is to become a stay at home dad for his son and be as involved as he can be in his son’s life in America. Maybe it’s an illusion of security, maybe not, but if he’s lucky his son might turn out fine.

    • Neofugue says:

      Placing women in male education is wicked not because women are incapable of learning, rather that Western education gives women power and a woman’s morality is measured by her submission to male authority.

      Women should work but in ways that do not offer them independence.

      • Neofugue says:

        …of which, per Chesterton’s fence, mostly involves being housewives doing make-work in social clubs, and rarely anything else.

        • The Ducking Man says:

          Or really women need to stay away from position with any faintest hint of power.

          Not everyone is wealthy middle-class where wives afford being housewives. Personally I’m fine seeing women as assembly worker or clerk, but not in any supervisory position.

    • A2 says:

      Like so many others, MIT too seems to be in the skin suit-wearing, respect-demanding phase of its life cycle.

      • Pax Imperialis says:

        Is it in a cyclical phase?

        Look at who runs admissions and you’ll realize that it’s been like that far longer than any of us has been alive. It might have always been like that, I wouldn’t know, I wasn’t alive in 1861, but it’s likely what we’re seeing today is more of a continuation of a trajectory than a cycle.

        • A2 says:

          Perhaps a poor choice of terms though the biological life cycle perpetuates the next iteration by reproduction, while the original organism is no longer considered important.

          If we consider universities in particular, I can’t offhand think of any that have regained their former glory after passing through the nadir. They haven’t yet, at least.

      • A2 says:

        Off topic: A softhearted professor at Brooklyn CUNY detects massive cheating on his course (70/100 students). Perhaps you will expect what happens next.

        https://crumplab.com/articles/blog/post_994_5_26_22_cheating/index.html

        A measure of catharsis for those who have been in the same situation but honestly, most if not all of these rogues seem well beyond any redemptive arc.

        It’s nothing new of course, but it seems to be done at an impressive scale now and entirely routinely at that.

    • i says:

      According to this “evidence” found in this document he “groomed women” and coerced them into sex:

      https://twitter.com/lianafaye/status/1519751629628575744

      https://www.docdroid.net/IbuM7VK/searchpage3-pdf

      That’s what marriage is for as well. To protect against this.

      • A2 says:

        In the current climate, it seems wiser to strictly observe the Pence rule at work. Especially if you’re a PI at a university.

        This particular case is of course highly annoying, even among its numerous kind.

  71. Varna says:

    Apparently there’s a homosexual-incubated monkey pox disease popping up in the UK.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10821799/UK-monkeypox-alert-health-chiefs-detect-FOUR-monkeypox-cases.html

    Good thing Gates warned us this would happen and even invested in relevant shots and they’re mostly ready now.

    One can only hope this new nifty tool in their arsenal will be used only as a “mild corrective” of the processes they seek to direct, and not as a full-blown central habbening.

    Boris bleeding Johnson is as “conservative” as Merkel. With conservatives like these who needs bolsheviks. When socialists in say Slovakia are vastly more conservative than the conservatives in Germany or England, that’s a damn interesting situation for sure.

    • Varna says:

      Portugal, Sweden, and Italy have first confirmed cases of the gay monke pox.
      Canada and Spain have suspected such.
      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10833529/Monkeypox-spotted-Italy-Sweden-bringing-number-countries-cases-SEVEN.html

      • The Cominator says:

        If they start talking about a super infectious variant of faggot pox we’ll know its because they couldn’t get anyone in red states to go along with the Rona again. So if that happens the Jesuits either made a new plague… or are just ginning up hysteria about it in the media.

        • simplyconnected says:

          It’s too coincidental in time with the WHO’s pandemic treaty signing next week for it not to be suspicious.
          What a coincidence that just as we sign ceding sovereignty over to the WHO in case of pandemic there is this pandemic happening just now that we can use lol!
          Supposedly countries have six months (used to be 18 months before) to back away from the treaty, so not sure if it’s binding right away.

          I tend to agree with you that it may be Bill Gates’ “pandemic 2”, for which a vaccine was already approved in Sept. 2019.
          On the chans there was some speculation that it may be a result of VAIDS, and shows up first in gays because they pass it on easily and because their immune systems may be already more compromised. Implication being that we may see outbreaks of old diseases spreading as the vaxxed’s immune systems deteriorate.

          • The Cominator says:

            Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes fag diseases are just fag diseases… but if they start trying to use it for something than we will know its not.

            • jim says:

              It has become increasingly obvious that the Covid virus was genetically engineered to do what it is doing.

              It contains gain of function genes from other diseases, notably AIDS, which it could have picked up naturally, because viruses of its type are always indiscriminately hybridizing, but it also contains a patented artificial gain of function gene.

              That we see the vaccine before the outbreak is a mighty strong hint that this monkeypox is also genetically engineered, and that the vaccine will be startlingly effective in destroying fertility, as the Covid vaccine was and the HPV vaccine was.

              I don’t think they intended that this would be yet another gay disease, but rather a disease of the massively vaxed, because it has long been obvious that the population group that they really want to vax is fertile age white women.

              • Guy says:

                “It contains gain of function genes from other diseases, notably AIDS”

                I assume your mean HIV? What do you make of the dissenting theories on HIV, such as the one Duesburg and Mullis argued for, that HIV is just a opportunistic virus that appears in the absence of a functioning immune system and not a cause for concern on its own? The main reason I think that’s likely is that heterosexual AIDS was a lie and that Fauci clamped down immediately on any dissenting theories as to the cause of AIDS, destroying the careers of Nobel laureates and those integral to the discovery of HIV in the first place.

                What really intrigues me then is if HIV causing AIDS is bullshit, and HIV is not particularly deadly, then why would its functions have been integrated into a bio-weapon? An example of them believing their own propaganda?

                • jim says:

                  Of course they believe their own propaganda. It is a requirement. A requirement that renders their science stupid and their technology apt to backfire.

                  They also seem to have thrown the kitchen sink into the virus, which is another mark of people who do not know what they are doing, using high tech as demonic magic.

                  I am agnostic on Duesberg position, because it is a wrath of God disease, and the details of material and effective causation are almost incidental, so I have not examined them with much care. It is targeting evil people, and innocent people who go along with evil and submit to evil.

              • simplyconnected says:

                That we see the vaccine before the outbreak is a mighty strong hint that this monkeypox is also genetically engineered

                I forgot to provide link to Sept’19 FDA approval of smallpox vaccine which also works for monkeypox. What a coincidence.

                • jim says:

                  If it supposedly works for both monekeypox and smallpox, it is unlikely to work for either one, just as the Covid jab does not work. But it is highly likely to reduce fertility.

                • Cloudswrest says:

                  Pox vaccines tend to have cross protection. Namely Cow Pox vaccine (Vaccinia) protects against small pox.

                  Now for the real horror, read about the famous Mouse Pox experiment. It even killed vaccinated animals.

                  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2816623/

                  The EXACT same thing could be down with small pox

                • Cloudswrest says:

                  One of the most cited examples of dual-use research is that of Australian researchers who inadvertently developed a lethal mouse virus. In this now-famous study, the researchers used standard genetic engineering techniques to insert the gene for interleukin-4 (IL-4) into the mousepox virus. They hoped that the altered virus would induce infertility in mice—which are a major pest in Australia—and would thus serve as an infectious contraceptive for pest control. To their surprise, they discovered that the altered virus could kill both mice that were naturally resistant to, and mice that had been vaccinated against ordinary mousepox. When they published their findings, along with a description of the materials and methods, in the Journal of Virology in 2001 ( Jackson et al, 2001), critics complained that they had thereby alerted would-be terrorists to new ways of making biological weapons and had provided them with explicit instructions.

              • Chad says:

                If this monkeypox is engineered, who is to say that it wont be dangerous to healthy people?

                As far as I understand, smallpox was around in ancient times and never really mutated down to something less dangerous, sometimes wiping out up to 30% of a city’s inhabitants, and was never solved until the traditional cowpox vaccine, which was a great, life saving piece of technology. So who is to say genetically engineered monkeypox will not be dangerous to healthy unvaxxed chads, and stay that way for a long time?

                Obviously I am sure the vaccine will be worse than the disease itself, no matter what.

              • Oog en Hand says:

                “the population group that they really want to vax is fertile age white women”

                Do they consider Ashkenazi women to be white?
                Do they consider Sephardi women to be white?
                Do they consider Mizrahi women to be white?

                With whom do Jesuits want to replace whites?

                • Pooch says:

                  With whom do Jesuits want to replace whites?

                  Sub-Saharan Africans.

      • Aidan says:

        Hopefully it spreads, and we know them on sight. Imagine the meme power from fags being openly disease-ridden

        • Cloudswrest says:

          I believe it’s an acute infection, not lingering. You either die, or get over it. But pox diseases often DUE leave pox scars, so there’s that. Think of it as a brand.

        • Anonymous Fake says:

          Paradoxically, the AIDS epidemic resulted in great sympathy for homosexuals and people felt sorry for them. Yes, it inspired A Wyatt Mann to make some hilarious cartoons but most normies find them offensive and crude. The cartoons, not the homosexuals, for some reason.

          Somehow it was the left that laughed at gay jokes, not conservatives. Think Eddie Murphy or Sam Kinison. Not your typical Trump voter.

          • jim says:

            Nuts.

            If that was true, the lie of “heterosexual aids” would have been completely unnecessary.

            What caused people to suddenly develop sympathy for homosexuals was the Stonewall riots, when they suddenly realized that gays were allowed to engage in violence against normal people, but normal people were not allowed to defend themselves against gays.

            Sexually transmitted aids only affects women who have sex with gays, and only a tiny number of those – presumably anal sex, but no one wants to know, no one dares to know.

            I was around when aids came out. Everyone laughed – who dared to laugh. And with a bit of booze in them, they braver.

            Analogous to the mysterious inability to see voter fraud.

            • Anonymous Fake says:

              Stonewall riots happened, much like ghetto riots happen, because the local DA and civil service and jury pools are full of sympathizers, and conservatives don’t live anywhere near the key cities to stop them. Urban violence is a leftist on liberal phenomenon. Leftists live in cities due to socialized housing and liberals live in cities because they can afford to due to not having big families to support like conservatives.

              And I must repeat that conservatives don’t live anywhere the key cities because they are excluded from them due to abusively high real estate costs imposed by a cabal of globalist bankers who hate civilized Christians, and these conservatives think voting from the subdivisions is a substitute for representation in urban institutions. It isn’t and there is no magic technology to make it so.

              And it’s mostly women who didn’t laugh at gays. And they did fear heterosexual AIDS. And they vote, and unfortunately it isn’t fraud. But it should be.

              • jim says:

                > Stonewall riots happened, much like ghetto riots happen, because the local DA and civil service and jury pools are full of sympathizers

                Alllowing your payload through this time because someone has been wondering what I have been censoring and why.

                Going back to censoring it, because making a full factual response every time wastes far too much space and time, and you just endlessly repeat the same payload in some new form.

                Stonewall riots happened because police were ordered to stand down, and because prosecutors had made an example out of anyone attempting to defend themselves.

                What happened was much as we saw happen in Kenosha. Did those who attempted to murder Kyle Rittenhouse get off because juries were sympathetic? They were never charged in the first place. The Stonewall riots came from the top down, not the bottom up. Official support, not mass support.

                What jury pools would have felt about it was completely obvious, but juries never got a chance to show their opinions until long after the public had been adequately intimidated.

                And, of course, you will respond to this reply by simply re-iterating official history – that the ruling official religion comes from the bottom up by persuasion and rational debate, rather than by intimidation, violence, and terror.

                The left as been winning arguments by violence for about a hundred and forty years.

                The reason that there is no rational discussion or real information in universities is because anyone who tries it gets held down by three people while a fourth one kicks him repeatedly in the face. Been tried repeatedly. This has been going on since 1900 or earlier, but back in 1900 the list of banned topics and hate facts was small and obscure, and hardly affected anyone, while now just about anything remotely connected to reality in any way is a hate fact.

                You have been pushing this payload, rational debate and mass support for the holy agenda of Harvard, for some time, and I have been censoring it for some time. The sudden change in public opinion about gays followed the stonewall riots, and many other unpunished violent acts. The violence and fear caused the change in public opinion. At the time, the public attitude was the complete reverse. It is one of the best recent examples of the application of officially tolerated violence to change people’s attitudes.

                For a very long time it has been impossible to have genuine evidence based rational discussion about certain matters anywhere near a university without suffering dire and terrible physical violence, and the list of unspeakable hate facts has been growing and growing till it embraces just about everything and the physical danger has been spreading out from universities to the broader society, the stonewall riots being a sudden intrusion of the physical danger at universities spreading into attacks on normies far from universities.

                The bottom line on the sudden change in attitude to gay was that people who did not want gay in their faces got the $#!% beaten out of them, so suddenly everyone was fine with having gay shoved in their faces.

                • Anonymous Fake says:

                  You’re saying that we’re just in a slow burning cycle of violence, then? After 140 years, that’s very close to sounding like violence has always been all that mattered, and winning debates does nothing. This feel absolutely wrong on a spiritual level unless America is like a special demonic entity like the Whore of Babylon, which might be true…

                  And if violence, you are saying that Abe Lincoln, the American Gothic Guy, General Patton, and the Puritans would have all looked with favor on gay pride parades? Or is it that we are constantly haunted by historical defeats that don’t matter anymore?

                  If a crew of angry patriots (like the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, Michigan Militia, except real) joined with Kyle Rittenhouse against the mob and gunned down dozens of Antifa, would that have been our reactionary moment?

                  Or is it violence at the top that matters?

                • jim says:

                  Allowing this through because, for a change, somewhat responsive.

                  > And if violence, you are saying that Abe Lincoln, the American Gothic Guy, General Patton, and the Puritans would have all looked with favor on gay pride parades?

                  They all looked with favor on an unofficially official state religion that was already post Christian in Lincoln’s time, though it continued to pretend to be Christian, and continued for a little while to worship the one God, though no longer worshiping Christ. As usual, demons moved into the gap from which Christ had been removed.

                  This state religion rapidly became ever more non Christian, and now worships Gaea, Covid, and the magic negro, and conducts abortion and the clot shot as holy sacraments

                  As I said, the list of unthinkable and unspeakable ideas has been rapidly growing.

                  > If a crew of angry patriots (like the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, Michigan Militia, except real) joined with Kyle Rittenhouse against the mob and gunned down dozens of Antifa, would that have been our reactionary moment?

                  Nah, that would have been our Jan 6th moment. Trump would have been forced to deplore us, and the DOJ would have come down like a ton of bricks on everyone vaguely connected, as it came down like a ton of bricks on Kyle Rittenhouse and a ton of bricks on anyone trying to defend themselves against the Stonewall rioters and the Detroit arsonists.

                  The Global American Empire relies primarily on soft power, but its soft power does not succeed by attracting people through superior reasoning and evidence. It succeeds by applying hard power to grab the megaphone and chase other people away from the megaphone, and applying hard power to arrange for its opponents to be held down on the ground while someone kicks them in the face.

          • The Cominator says:

            Whos to say Trump voters don’t like Sam Kinison or Delirious. Sam Kinison NEVER sounded like a leftist not even a little bit… he was clearly by his own admission a very very bad christian but never a leftist.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0q4o58pKwA

    • jim says:

      > Apparently there’s a homosexual-incubated monkey pox disease popping up in the UK.

      And as soon as they have a “vaccine” against it, they are going to want to inject nine year old schoolgirls with it.

      • Richard W. Comerford says:

        For some time now, boys have been getting vaccinated for HPV, a virus which can cause cervical cancer. These are real male boys with no cervixes. And they are deliberately vague with the parents about why they give these obviously needless vaccines.

        • Mayflower Sperg says:

          Men and boys can get throat cancer from HPV-infected pussy. If you teach your sons never to eat pussy, they don’t need an HPV vax.

    • Kunning Drueger says:

      https://hiddencomplexity.substack.com/p/opinion-pox-viruses-and-the-futility

      Just a point of reference. This topic is far outside my capacity to speak with any shred of authority on the science side. On the social side, I had a relatively unique view of the Coronahoax. I was part of the initial wave of suckers entrapped by Chinese/Cathedral Operatives “muddy web” psyop. I first heard rumors “the Chinese sickness.” I latched onto Styxx coverage, and made preparations for a social semi-collapse (1-5% of Americans dieing from some horrible disease rapidly). I became skeptical in spring/summer due to the great corona debate here, as well as information I obtained via work about the NG and State/Federal response teams quietly halting the preparations for an influx of cadavers. Around this time I stopped all “pandemic procedures” being carried out at home.

      The issue for us here, and other thinking communities is this: just because Corona was undeniably a hoax operated to forward certain Elite’s agendas doesn’t mean there cannot be, indeed will not be, actual pandemics. Indeed, we’re almost guaranteed that there will be a massive “effort” by elite factions to for e a Covid style response if given any opportunity, meaning both real and meme pandemics will be accompanied by social programs that, if anything, make the epidemiological situation far more dreadful. It would probably be useful and worthwhile to come up with a battery of questions, like the Keys To The Presidency rubric, to help establish if a pandemic/outbreak is real.

      • The Cominator says:

        Watch what South Korea and Japan do, thats it.

        • Kunning Drueger says:

          This is an incredibly shortsighted approach. Both Nippon and SKorea are firmly in the GAE. There success with Covid is almost irrelevant because it was probably a one-off in terms of all factors in context, and they are insular cultures with atypical characteristics uniquely suited to authoritarian measures and social unity. I completely agree that they will most likely come up with and implement the optimal approaches to a real pandemic, but they can also be relatively easily removed from honest observation through “splinternet” and censorship.

          There’s a stupid, pointless book called World War Z. Not really worth the time, though infinitely better than the movie. As the zombie outbreak is in its early stages, the best planners in the West come up with a two step response: send in a wave of Alpha Teams to halt or slow outbreaks at the source and on borders, then prepare a massive social program to prepare for the arrival. Step one gets carried out, but step two fails, and profiteers with sugar pills sell a fake antidote.

          More realistically, and scarily, the Coronatarians will again be given free reign, and will literally make it worse to up the sacrifices to the false god. There are good, viable, and effective ways of dealing with a pandemic, and there is varied and wide applicability, from large social measures to best practices around the home. The real issue, from my perspective, seems to be divining whether it’s real or not, and then figuring out if it’s orchestrated or not. How do we do that?

          • The Cominator says:

            They seem to have honest public health establishments whereas the people in ours should all be executed.

      • jim says:

        > just because Corona was undeniably a hoax operated to forward certain Elite’s agendas doesn’t mean there cannot be, indeed will not be, actual pandemics

        Science has given us the means to produce no end of deadly diseases. If we were still technologically competent, we would now have diseases that would have rendered mosquitoes, cockroaches, and rats almost extinct. Instead, it seems that all the actual work has been done on diseases to afflict humans.

        Optimal war strategy is to manufacture a disease, manufacture a vaccine for it advance, ensure that the disease will be sufficiently genetically stable for the vaccine to continue work, and then bomb your enemy with the disease. Then vaccinate your people near the conflict.

        Interestingly however, Corona virus was deliberately genetically engineered to be twenty times less genetically stable than the disease from which it was created, making it very difficult for them to produce an effective vaccine, even if they wanted to, which they obviously did not. It was a weapon created to attack the home front.

        Its genetic instability worked against them. Optimal strategy for a flu type disease is to attack the nose and throat, because sneezing, coughing, and nose snot contamination is how it spreads. Corona was genetically engineered to attack the lungs, but its offspring rapidly lost interest in the lungs and proceeded to focus on the nose and throat, which is substantially less likely to be lethal.

    • Varna says:

      And here is the 2021 game scenario where the world suddenly and unexpectedly has an eruption of monkeypox.
      https://www.nti.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/NTI_Paper_BIO-TTX_Final.pdf

  72. Aryaman says:

    https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_consumer_price_index_used_cars_and_trucks

    https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_consumer_price_index_new_cars_and_trucks

    According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the prices of used cars are up 50.3 percent since before the pandemic whereas the prices of new cars are up only 14.2 percent over the same period. Used cars are more or less bought and sold spot, and so there is no way of getting around the fact prices are rising. New cars are not quite sold spot, and you will find you cannot buy any new car for anywhere near MSRP.

    Neither I nor anyone I know has any idea if they are making money, or whether things they plan to do are likely to make them money, whether that concerns their personal finances or business plan.

    High single digit inflation rates have not been uncommon in India over the past few decades. While inflation is inherently destructive, it was less destructive there than it is apt to be here because nominal interest rates were consistently enough above inflation that a man would reliably get richer by saving his money or buying with it stock.

    TIPS securities are pricing in a 10-year breakeven inflation rate of around 2.7 percent. 10-year bonds are trading at around 2.9 percent nominal. These two facts would not necessarily be inconsistent with each other if 2-year notes were trading at, say, 25 percent and 1-year notes at 50 percent. Which they evidently are not. Something there will have to give.

    A 2 percent real interest rate is probably the right level to bring about the degree of steady deflation likely to result in productive investment and cultivate the right psychological attitude towards personal saving.

  73. Pooch says:

    women in the workforce.

    What are women do to in a post-industrial society? Child rearing only lasts so long. This is how the 1st wave feminists starting causing problems writing feminist novels and articles right when the printing press hit in the late 19th century.

    In an agrarian society, the problem resolves itself as women are doing everything from making clothes for the family to gathering and preparing meals from the land.

    In a consumer post-industrial society, not the case. I don’t think any society has solved this. Idle women cause problems.

    • jim says:

      Saint Paul complained that idle women caused problems.

    • Aidan says:

      Women need to be kept busy, but it’s not hard to keep your wife busy. They still love doing all the little trad things, the productive chores like gardening cooking and knitting, and so on.

      • Pooch says:

        When the US moved from an agrarian society to an industrial society in the late 19th century, women couldn’t work yet female writing flourished even though they were still doing all the things you state.

        Outside of literal Amish/full agrarian living, women seem to find ways to get up to no good.

        • Pooch says:

          It’s also interesting that the Church of England turned feminist (attempted of divorce of Queen Caroline) when industrialization started to peak in England. I believe this is related.

        • Pooch says:

          When the US moved from an agrarian society to an industrial society in the late 19th century, women couldn’t work yet female writing flourished even though they were still doing all the things you state.

          An example of this would be Harriet Beecher Stowe, who had 7 children, yet found time to write Uncle Tom’s Cabin, a book that had significant cultural impact at the time.

          • Guy says:

            Who cares what dumb books they write? The problem is the faggot men reading them, publishing them, and putting them in schools. Women didn’t bring about feminism, men did.

            • Pooch says:

              Massive amounts of women were reading them which means there was great money and status to be made selling to women, be it books, fashion, politics, or religion.

              • Guy says:

                The female writing was only published to begin with though because men decided to do so. It’s not a phenomenon where women all of a sudden became empowered by the printing press and free time. Male feminists just used those women to fight their battles for them. It’s akin to blaming blacks for gaining the right to vote and all the problems that caused when it was white men who made that decision.

                • Pooch says:

                  It’s akin to blaming blacks for gaining the right to vote and all the problems that caused when it was white men who made that decision.

                  Symbiotic relationship.

                  If there are no blacks, whites looking to use them are not a problem.

                  Likewise, if there are no women with free time and the printing press, male feminists are not a problem.

                • jim says:

                  If no women, no abortion mills, no gays, and no blacks, the Global American Empire would find other things to worship, notably the Gaea demon and the Covid Demon.

                  Cathedrals in Britain have been turned into Gaea shrines, not black shrines, though they have also been turned into gay and tranny shrines.

                  If no Jews, dot Indians. The Global American Empire is already replacing Jews with dot Indians in the job of doing the dirty work against legacy Americans.

                • Adam says:

                  Betas always undermine alphas. The irony being it was the betas that paved the way for women to live without the need for betas.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Realistically you are not going to prevent women from basic literacy or writing (and writing is one of the few fields they are often genuinely very good at), you just need to be extra ruthless on feminist and male feminists…

                  Even after things are settled there should never be a year that goes by where one feminist and male feminist is not burned for subversive activity.

                • Pooch says:

                  If no women, no gays, and no blacks, the Global American Empire would find other things to worship, notably the Gaea demon and the Covid Demon.

                  Cathedrals in Britain have been turned into Gaea shrines, not black shrines, though they have also been turned into gay and tranny shrines.

                  If no Jews, dot Indians. The Global American Empire is already replacing Jews with dot Indians in the job of doing the dirty work against legacy Americans.

                  All are derived/related to the WQ and feminism.

                  At the end of the day, the Women Problem is the only problem that matters.

                • Guy says:

                  Male feminists aren’t caused by women and the printing press though, the male feminists created the women feminists.

            • The Ducking Man says:

              Bruh, you can say this because you are guy.

              I couldn’t care less about 50 shades of gray, but thousands of women had wet pussy during box office opening.

              If women can’t find publisher, one way or another they’ll find it via social media. Women’s knowledge hub is like dry forest, it only took few women to start a trend that only women know. Look up obscure kpop that only women knows.

          • Adam says:

            Culture is downstream from power. It had a cultural impact not because of its content, but because it was backed by power.

            • Pooch says:

              Agreed, but how does power stop this?

              The King of England couldn’t stop the Church of England from turning feminist when there was power to be gained in idle women during the transition to an industrial economy as show in the failed divorce of Queen Caroline.

              It’s a power leak.

              This seems to be an unsolved problem in an industrial economy, let alone a post-industrial one.

              Telling every man to just have their wives “do trad wife things” does not seem like a sufficient solution to me because there is no point in history where that has ever worked besides an agrarian economy.

              • jim says:

                I am not engaged in agrarian economy, and my wife is mostly and primarily doing the trad wife thing.

                And taking care of kids and house should be a full time job.

                Wives have always assisted husbands in their job, and there is no problem with women in a male field providing they are under the supervision and authority of an alpha male whom they are having sex with. It is when they are in a social role where authority and sex are separated, that they start acting weird and destructive. My women have always given me work related assistance.

                I see no reason why wives cannot be kept in a trad wife role, provided we are sufficiently dispersed that people can have homes with gardens. And a trad wife’s role traditionally included managing the household, which for aristocrats meant managing a whole bunch of tenants, clients, servants, and serfs. Amd somehow, those women were in all important ways mighty trad, because their authority and property rights depended on a mighty man with a sword who was banging them.

                • Pooch says:

                  And a trad wife’s role traditionally included managing the household, which for aristocrats meant managing a whole bunch of tenants, clients, servants, and serfs. Amd somehow, those women were in all important ways mighty trad, because their authority and property rights depended on a mighty man with a sword who was banging them.

                  Agrarian economy. You prove my point for me.

                • Neofugue says:

                  > Agrarian economy. You prove my point for me.

                  If your interlocutor puts forward information which undermines the simplistic either/or dialectic, do in fact make an attempt to understand him. Jim’s insight stems from his ability to think divergently on issues of which the Polygon declares “settled.”

                  For women, there is always work to be done. As an example, my grandmother was by all accounts a busy trad wife, but she rarely cleaned house or cooked meals, instead relying on a host of servants who managed the home. Her efforts were devoted towards being a socialite, managing the family reputation, and climbing the social ladder into various country clubs and other venues. When managed well, women create their own little world away from the world of men, and that is a good thing.

                • Aidan says:

                  Pooch, you and I both replicate aspects of a pre-industrial society in order to keep healthy and sane. We hit the gym, and make sure not to eat too much poison for example. Not unreasonable in the least to ask men to recreate a little bit of a pre-industrial economy to keep our wives busy and sane.

                • Pooch says:

                  I agree with you, but makes one consider back to the original left-right debate.

                  The most right wing a man can be, as is his nature, is full on Attila the Hun.

                  Civilization is inherently leftist, an agrarian society the least left of civilizations. The more advanced a civilization is, the more left wing it must inherently be.

                • jim says:

                  Tell it to the World War II Japanese.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Pooch sounds like a fan of Robert E Howard’s idea that civilization is unnatural and that barbarism must ultimately triumph…

                  I think you can maintain civilization through barbarous bloodshed of civilizations leftist enemies… male feminists and leftists must continuously be purged.

                • Red says:

                  The most right wing a man can be, as is his nature, is full on Attila the Hun.

                  Civilization is inherently leftist, an agrarian society the least left of civilizations. The more advanced a civilization is, the more left wing it must inherently be.

                  Left vs Right is short term vs long term gains. Civilizations that are in rightwing mode work on the basis of long term gains. Failing civilizations(left wing mode) work on the basis of stealing as much as possible while things decline. There’s a lot of ruin in a civilization so the looting phase can go on for a very long time.

                  Rightwing always favors long term growth for your own people. Thus if you are a horse nomad and the civilizations around are weak then you conqueror them. If they’re strong and growing then you join or trade with them. If your stuck in a dying civilization you either try to save it (Ceasar) or build clans to preserve your family, or join the invading barbarians(sea peoples). I’m working on the clan thing since I’m not seeing any rightwing hordes here to conqueror my dying civilization and there’s no sign of Ceasar.

                • suones says:

                  @The Cominator

                  Pooch sounds like a fan of Robert E Howard’s idea that civilization is unnatural and that barbarism must ultimately triumph…

                  You must’ve read a different Robert E. Howard. Conan is the archetype of an OG Aryan who creates civilisation. He lives like a barbarian because his civilised Iron-making tribe and family were massacred and he was enslaved to Mongols. He captured his destiny through effort and the blessing of his Father (who taught him the Riddle of Steel) and his god Crom (who blessed him with Strength in his Arm and Fire in his Heart), and in course of time became the King of Aquilonia.

                  In a sense, civilisation is as “unnatural” as Steel, for both require monstrous effort to create, and only slightly less effort to maintain. But that is true of agriculture as well. A “barbarian” is at best an animal, at worst a parasite upon Nature, whereas a civilised man is Lord over Nature, Beloved Son and Heir of Mother Earth, and Scion of Father Sky. But this is not Robert E. Howard’s analysis.

                  For the edification of others who think “Conan” is a Hollywood movie[1], I will leave this link to an excellent series of articles by John C. Wright.

                  https://www.scifiwright.com/2018/02/the-riddle-of-steel/

                  Also suitable for those still labouring under Christianity, for Wright is your fellow-traveller and will dutifully not notice the Power flowing out of Howard’s pen.

                • The Cominator says:

                  “Barbarism is the natural state of mankind. Civilization is unnatural. It is a whim of circumstance. And barbarism must always ultimately triumph.”-Robert E. Howard

                • Pooch says:

                  Tell it to the World War II Japanese.

                  If your goal is to emulate the World War II Japanese state religion in the American Empire somehow, going to need to be in a constant militarized state of war. The incentives of the Empire of Japan necessarily lined up with successful reproduction because war need soldiers and constantly conquering.

                • Pooch says:

                  The incentives of the Empire of Japan necessarily lined up with successful reproduction because war need soldiers and constantly conquering.

                  If not constantly conquering, the Malthusian problem becomes a limiting factor to reproduction in an industrial society and more so in a post-industrial society. Not so much in an agrarian society.

                • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

                  Suones, that is bold talk for a man who’s entire civilization was conquered by Christians looking to make English food taste less bad. Your people got wrecked by my people as a side effect of looking for baking ingredients. Our subversive demons–which are destined to lose at the end of days, incidentally–have overrun your civilization and religion. The cultural strength of the two religions is not comparable.

                  What did Crom give Conan? Fuck all, which was exactly what Conan needed. Crom was not a crutch to support Conan, he was a God of War, and the gifts he gave were to make his people strong. By refusing help to Conan in his hour of need, he forced Conan to become a legend. He gave Conan the most precious gift of all, which was the chance to earn glory that would come with no reservation or uncertainty that it was Conan’s, and Conan’s alone.

                  Being a fan of Howard’s pen, could you please do Solomon Kane, next?

                • jim says:

                  > Suones, that is bold talk for a man who’s entire civilization was conquered by Christians looking to make English food taste less bad. Your people got wrecked by my people as a side effect of looking for baking ingredients

                  It would seem completely obvious that the faith of those that gave us science, technology, industrialization, and world empire has something going for it.

                  Suones argument is that the Aryans conquered the world, and Hinduism is the last survivor of that faith. Bronze Age civilization was the first age of technological progress. But something went very wrong with that faith a very long time ago, and all our records of that faith date from long after something went very wrong. What made that faith vital and effective is lost, and I don’t think Suones can recollect it. Like the western neopagans, he hopes to revive something that still has rot at its core. While I would like to revive something that ruled the world two centuries ago, he wants to revive something that was effortlessly crushed by merchant adventurers looking for baking ingredients.

                • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

                  While my dismissals of his argument is quite flippant, I do understand the argument he is making. He wants to restore the religion of his forefathers, just as I do. But in order to justify it, he has to look to millenia ago-glories by a racial group to whom he is only distantly related. The old Aryan blood is long diluted, even in the Europeans who likely hold more of it than anyone else. I can go to glories that are within living memory. There are people alive who remember when Christianity made the West strong. The achievements of the Aryans are lost to myth, hardly any more real than the stories about Conan.

                  The religion of my forefathers is Christianity. I would need to go back about 50 or 60 generations in my paternal line to find someone who was not at least nominally Christian. My people were barbarians living in huts before Christianity. All our glory was earned after we bent the knee to the One, True God, the Lord Jesus Christ. He raised us up; made us smart, made us wise, and made us strong.

                  Christ made the English and then the Americans the preeminent military power on the planet when we obeyed His teachings, even if we did it imperfectly. Debased Leftist Christianity was still more powerful than all others, because the operative word was Christianity, not the debasement or leftism. Once the debasement and leftism became the operative faith, our decline began.

                • suones says:

                  Your people got wrecked by my people as a side effect of looking for baking ingredients.

                  I’m well aware of this. The greatest enemies of Aryans are other Aryans. There is no hope of fighting a civilisational war when half “your” side is allied with pseudosemites. But if fight we must, then fight we will.

                  Every single argument from temporary military success you raise is akin to Conan’s tribe getting slaughtered by Thulsa Doom, so Conan starting worship of Thulsa Doom instead. Which is absurd, of course. Crom is not Conan’s god because Conan worships him. Crom may or may not do anything for Conan (actually he does, but that is besides the point). Thulsa Doom, OTOH, can do a LOT for Conan. But Conan turns him down. Crom is Conan’s god. And his blessings are specifically tailored to Conan. What does the fool Thulsa Doom know about Steel? Nothing. One does not “change” one’s god based on military setbacks. It is spiritual cuckoldry.

                  Crediting “Christianity” with a whole host of Aryan accomplishments that couldn’t be replicated in any other “Christian” racial cohort is deception. A common deception used by missionaries to this day. Upto and including outright lies like “Christians” inventing LED lighting[1]. Good racial stock remains good. Until it goes bad (cf present day Afghanistan).

                  Emphasising our (dubious) military defeat(s) at the hands of Western pseudosemites while ignoring Japan’s more recent military defeat, and China’s military defeat, is rooted in two complexes: 1) insecurity. Aryans observing mos maiorum remind you of your past mistakes, so is intolerable in a way that recognisably “foreign” East Asia is not. It is compensated for by telling yourself that “Aryan blood” is very diluted anyway so there is less difference between English “Christian” and Nigerian “Christian” than there is between Western Aryan and Eastern Aryan, but this is false and you know it. The most severe hatred is reserved for the nearest of kin, we find the epic battles between Britain and France, two states who we find nearly indistinguishable, hilarious! Russia/Ukraine has parallels to India/Pakistan, both in the geographical predicament and visceral hatred for the parent. 2) sadness at the loss of Empire, so insisting that the grapes were sour all along, i.e., Empire wasn’t worth that much anyway. Which is the exact same cope the English used when Puritans wrested their American colonies, which history has proven mightily false.

                  I must quote the next paragraph because I find it shocking:

                  My people were barbarians living in huts before Christianity. All our glory was earned after we bent the knee to the One, True God, the Lord Jesus Christ. He raised us up; made us smart, made us wise, and made us strong.

                  Shocking because not only is it false for any Aryan worth the name, who have seen Empires come and go before the Nazarene was even born, but more so because this is exactly what Baphometans tell their flock — that they were all herding goats in jahiliyah before Baphomet enlightened them. Which is notably and obviously false in my favourite example of Afghanistan: they were building cities and great monuments before embracing Baphomet, and are herding goats now. Also applies to Egypt, Syria, etc. etc.

                  I have heard this same line from primitive tribals converted to “Christianity” by missionaries, and felt sympathetic because they really were living in huts. This is why I have started teaching them that all blessings — roads, electricity, etc. are blessings of Shri Rama because they are his loyal subjects who voted BJP contributed to the rebuilding of his grand temple. Over a few years, I managed to make the missionaries pack up their American funded lies and leave.

                  To hear it repeated from a citizen of an industrialised Western Nation, who knows about Greece and Rome and can debate about Druids and Carthage was surprising. Brainwashing is one thing, but to deny your forefathers’ accomplishments when they stare you in the face is just breathtaking. I imagine an Egyptian standing in front of the Sphinx and telling me that his ancestors were living in huts before Baphomet came smh.

                  Christ made the English and then the Americans the preeminent military power on the planet when we obeyed His teachings, even if we did it imperfectly. Debased Leftist Christianity was still more powerful than all others, because the operative word was Christianity, not the debasement or leftism.

                  Just like there is a straight line between Judaism and Marxism, there is a straight line between Christianity and Prog religion. Moldbug was the first to point it out because he’s a Jew who does not share in this delusion. Similarly, Putin can see the line between Orthodox Christianity and Leninism but Vrangel, for example, could not. There a lot of people alive who remember when Bolshevism made Russia “strong.[3]” Doesn’t prove anything apart from the effectiveness of Bolshevik propaganda. Prog is the pre-eminent military power so we must all cut off our sons’ dicks, is the reductio ad absurdum to this line of argument.

                  I’m only writing this for the benefit of lurkers. I harbour no delusions of any alliance with Christians against Baphomet or Prog or both. In fact, “missionaries” here cannot be distinguished between those spreading “Christianity” or “Prog” — it seems all prog to me. Until encountering NRx/Jimian “Old Type Christian” discourse, I was under the impression that Prog is Christianity, from the preacher to the Pope himself — a fact that wasn’t lost on Moldbug. Christians betrayed Halaku Khan for Baphomet, ensuring that this cancer has survived to this day and waxes powerful. Christian generals also betrayed the Tsar for Menshevism, for which they yet paid the ultimate price. Christians couldn’t even preserve the Holy Relics of San Fransisco Franco, while Lenin lies undisturbed. To prevent Christians from betraying me, I will refuse to make any accomodation with them. Just like Charles II’s “victory” was but a temporary interlude in the March of Progress, so will “reaction,” even if all your dreams come true[2]. I’ll revisit this opinion after you manage to appoint an “Old Type” Pope/Patriarch/whoever.

                  [1] For the record, blue/white LEDs were invented by Japanese. Of the three who received the Nobel Prize for the same, two are conservative Dharmics, and only one defected to America, and is probably not a Christian still.

                  [2] Except for Cominator’s plan — that has long-term potential.

                  [3] I’m more and more inclined to believe that Xi Jinping actually believes this, not sure for Putin.

                • jim says:

                  > I have heard this same line from primitive tribals converted to “Christianity” by missionaries, and felt sympathetic because they really were living in huts

                  We are descended from Aryans who were living in huts in 800AD. The original Romans and the original Greeks perished because their state religion drifted away from ancestor worship, which their states found inconvenient because it meant that each family had their own particular gods, and then drifted away from patriarchy, and failed to reproduce, starting with the elite.

                  The rot started at the center.

                  No one remembers the original faith of the Aryans, not us and not you, and modern Western neopagans are a ridiculous bunch of limp wristed faggots, because what we remember is a grab bag collection of official faiths that wound up corrupted and ridiculous.

                  While we have an entirely accurate recollection of the faith that gave us science, technology, industrialization, and empire.

                • Suones, yes we had this discussion before on this blog.

                  But, we also know where this will go…

                  But only one thing I want to add to all this is that Drag queen story hour was not invented by us but by the “glorious” Globohomo as the pinnacle of “Western civilization.” Hinduism has its problems with demons, yes, but we didn’t get “there” first.

                  I only request you to make a blog post of your interesting thesis.

                • i says:

                  @Suones

                  If you invert the best. And invert Good and Evil.

                  If all the Virtues are unmoored from each other. Broken away from each other rather than in balance in a single package:

                  “The virtues have gone mad because they have been isolated from each other and are wandering alone.” G.K. Chesterton

                  See also this video on Hierarchy and how Christ fills the entire hierarchy:
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryNfmZgoJCA

                  The entire channel by Jonathan Pageau is good:
                  https://www.youtube.com/c/JonathanPageau

                  Then you can see how the skin suiters are able to create what you see.

                • yewotm8 says:

                  >It is compensated for by telling yourself that “Aryan blood” is very diluted anyway so there is less difference between English “Christian” and Nigerian “Christian” than there is between Western Aryan and Eastern Aryan, but this is false and you know it.

                  Utterly ridiculous. Nobody on this blog has ever even gotten close to thinking this. Not a single person here thinks we are closer to Nigerians than to Indians, even the darkest of them. Speaking of which, it’s ridiculous to speak of “dilution” of blood when considering the genetic substrate of your people vs those in Europe. As if being 50% European neolithic farmer is comparable to being 50% Dravidian.

                  The idea of Indians being honorary Aryans if they are based and have some long-past Aryan ancestry is kind of cute, and much preferable to you being Moslems, but it’s laughable when you try to come in here and tell European diaspora that we aren’t Aryan enough for you. Telling us we are jews when your people are the ones who act like jews is absurd on its face.

                  Hearing the Indian perspective on things and learning about what globohomo is doing there is cool, and I feel the majority of the Indian commenters here make good contributions as such. But that’s not what you try to do, instead your posts feel like an attempt at justification as to why you’re better than us, in every fucking post. You always come in here and try to make everything about India or paganism, using some long forgotten connection to people who lived thousands of years ago, to explain how we are all the same but you are somehow now better.

                  That’s not to say that your “Dharmic” position on things is not of value, but it’s quite obvious that you yourself believe it is inferior from the way you are unable to talk about it without attacking Western social technology and Christ at every opportunity.

                • The Cominator says:

                  “Telling us we are jews when your people are the ones who act like jews ”

                  To be clear the typical diaspora pajeet is worse than the typical diaspora jew.

              • Pax Imperialis says:

                Really want to stress the point jim brings up that women can still be trad in an industrial economy. My father did a 9 to 5 electrical engineering job, just about as far as one gets from agrarian economy type job. My mother stayed at home and took care of the household, finances, and healthcare.

                She was investing the family money in certificates of deposit (CDs) and other investments (women tend to be highly risk adverse so you really don’t have to worry to much about them losing everything, every women id different though), budgeting an “allowance” for the family, making sure the family was staying healthy and going to the doctor on a regular basis, etc.

                That was a fairly typical family dynamic in America during the 1950s-1980s. It was in the 1990s that it started to breakdown to a significant degree before completely collapsing by the 2000s. I was extremely shocked by the sheer numbers of women when I was in graduate school who were proud of their “strong and independent single mothers who didn’t need no man.” They were less than 5 years younger than me yet had completely alien values to most women born just 5 years earlier. The reason why many think that it’s no longer possible for women to be trad in the modern era is because family dynamic breakdown occurred in mass during the mid 90s to such a degree that many don’t even know what functional/trad even looks like anymore.

                As society becomes more advanced, the number of things a wife can do for the household increases, not decreases. Give a woman responsibility for the family’s well being and she will typically become invested in those tasks. It’s when they don’t have any responsibilities that women start forming “book clubs” with other disaffected women and start fomenting insane revolts. I remember from my father’s workplace that it was the men who threw money at their wives expecting them to just enjoy themselves that had the most marriage problems whereas those who had their wives manage the books did not. Just keep in mind you’ll want to double check the tax returns or credit payments before she submits them, but as long as it’s done so as a partner the wife won’t feel distrusted.

                • jim says:

                  > The reason why many think that it’s no longer possible for women to be trad in the modern era is because family dynamic breakdown occurred in mass during the mid 90s to such a degree that many don’t even know what functional/trad even looks like anymore

                  Culture is downstream of power.

                  I was born and raised in a small island of upper class culture that was already fifty years behind the current year, but had the necessary power to resist the new normal. Until it did not.

                • Pax Imperialis says:

                  I am aware that culture is downstream of power. If I’m honest with myself, I too was also born and raised in a small island of upper class culture. In America everyone is “middle class” if only due to myth/politeness but that’s besides the point.

                  Those small islands during the 1990s were highly similar to the pinnacle of the 1940s or maybe even earlier to the 1920s, hard for me to tell. I’m descendant of some of that old school WASP military heritage when prestigious military academy Officers were very much aristocratic social elites. It had the power to resist the new normal until it did not. Many such islands existed in open view of the public all the way to the early 1990s.

                  I argue that that moment most of those small islands completely collapsed happened sometime in the mid 90s to early 2000s. Past that period in time, most people don’t even have awareness of what small islands even look like anymore… which makes the idea of functional/trad family nearly completely outside the public conscience.

                  There are still many isolated cases of stability which gives me hope that much can be rebuilt, but in this current day they far more like isolated pinpoints awashed in an ocean of chaos.

                  Out of curiosity, and I completely understand if you don’t answer this, are you descendant from a military officer heritage? Seems like many of the children of the WASP military elites (like my father) went into computer tech during the 1960-1980 which sort of aligns with what you come off as.

              • Aidan says:

                The 19th century Catholic immigrants to the US were mighty fertile before Harvard got to them, despite living in industrial conditions. Japan between the Meiji Revolution and the nukes was mighty fertile despite the same.

                • Pooch says:

                  The 19th century Catholic immigrants to the US were mighty fertile before Harvard got to them

                  For a single generation. The 1st generation immigrants were laborers, as was the norm in the agrarian society they originated from, but their children were not and the 2nd-generation fertility fell in line with the native fertility.

                • Aidan says:

                  My family tree looks like this:

                  Great-great-grandfather: 11 kids
                  Great-grandfather: 8 kids
                  Grandfather (went to college): 4 kids
                  Mother: 2 kids

                  The later generations fell in line with Cathedral orthodoxy, not through any fault of industrial society.

              • i says:

                @jim

                A few White Nationalists/Pagans I follow like to point out that White Europeans succeeded in spite of Christianity and not because of Christianity.

                The examples of Haiti which is apparently Catholic(despite their Voodoo). Black Africa, Philippines and Latin America are the examples they like to point to. To disprove the Civilization elevation effects of Christianity.

                What’s your thoughts about that?

                • jim says:

                  Sounds like shills. If actual white nationalists, they would notice why Haiti is Haiti.

                  Haiti was quite civilized when ruled by white Catholics. Went to shit when the Church of Reason took over Paris.

                  To evaluate the effect of religion, need to observe the effect of changes in the official religion, so as to avoid confounding factors such as niggers.

                  King Alfred imposing Christianity, Constantine imposing Christianity, Charles the Second restoring old type Anglicanism, with a furtive but significant and substantial improvement on the interpretation the Logos. Obvious major beneficial civilizational impact.

                  The revolutionaries imposing the Church of Reason on Paris. Obvious mass discivilizational effect.

                • Cloudswrest says:

                  Sounds like shills. If actual white nationalists, they would notice why Haiti is Haiti.

                  This reminds me of some John Stossel segment I happened to watch a number of years ago. He was doing some special on Detroit and blamed the decline of the city on contemporary Democrat/liberal governance. Uh huh …

                • suones says:

                  @i

                  Can I please have links to read more from these White Nationalists/”Pagans?” Most that I explore turn out to be Moloch tentacles of some sort. Either out and out glowing or glow-adjacent. I’d love to chat up a real white nationalist of the Himmler/Dobroslav/Kandyba variety, in Minecraft, ofc.

                • i says:

                  “Can I please have links to read more from these White Nationalists/”Pagans?”

                  One is “Asha Logos”. He seems the best of the Pagans I have encountered on youtube and on Gab. The most Noble. Survive the Jive and Robert Sepher is others on youtube.

                  I referenced “American Krogan” on Twitter on his comments on Christianity and Haiti.

                • jim says:

                  I looked at Asha Logos. He does not appear to be a shill, because he keeps pointing at information such as the Hunter Biden emails. that the shills want to distract from and muddy up with silly conspiracy theories.

                  But neither does he address the woman question nor the black problem. Housing is expensive because blacks move into a neighborhood, drive out the white population, the shopkeepers flee, the housing slowly disintegrates, and they move into another neighborhood.

                  Not a shill, and not probably not a literal faggot. Definitely alt right, and a good source of information. Worth reading. But still a pansy, like all the neopagans.

                  Because he does not have God standing behind him, cannot tell people that which will get you called racist and misogynist.

                  Also, though not a Christian, not a pagan. He acknowledges the superior Godship of the Logos. But the Logos does not stand behind him, just has it does not stand behind the Jews.

                  Does it stand behind Old Type Hindus? Can you criticize modern Hindu female conduct?

                • suones says:

                  @i

                  Thanks.

                • someDude says:

                  @Jim,

                  No, we cannot publicly criticize Hindu female misconduct. Every and anyone of any significance in India who does so gets his ass handed to him and which point he either resigns his position or begs for mercy. It happens about once a quarter. The last happened sometime in March. We are on schedule for one in June.

      • farmer boy says:

        The only gardening women do is flower gardening.

        It’s the only gardening they’re any good at, too.

        I spent enough time with my great-grandparents in rural Europe as a kid; they reached adulthood before electricity and running water reached the area. Lived pretty much the way people had for centuries prior. Same with the other families in the village.

        The men were the agriculturalists, in every respect, at every point along the scale. The women filled in where needed on such jobs. When the man died (and the adult kids had moved to the city), the garden withered. Every time. And now, living in redneck American country, I see the same pattern. The backcountry guys who care about it are the ones that actually raise stuff worth having and eating. The women raise flowers. The women might be the figureheads and public-facing sales types, but the men do the work because the men are the ones who care about it and are systematic enough to do it right.

        This idea that keeps getting repeated here that gardening is for women is about as perfect a case of midwit ignorance and ideology dictating conclusions as anything I’ve ever seen. Also a formula for starvation if anybody makes plans around it. The plain fact is that none of the people saying this, most definitely including Jim, have the foggiest clue about the topic because they’ve never actually had to depend on it so never had reality slap them in the face over it. I heard enough stories as a kid on that topic to have some idea.

        If you want a garden, learn to handle the vegetables yourself. If you think that’s unmanly, don’t plan on getting anything out of a garden. If you don’t like that, tough shit.

        • jim says:

          > The only gardening women do is flower gardening.

          > It’s the only gardening they’re any good at, too.

          My wife does ninety percent of the gardening, and she is good at it. She grows food, and once in a while theoreticaly wants to grow some flowers, but scarcely any flowers ensue, while an impressive amount of food does ensue.

          However, growing food involves a great deal of digging and cutting down trees, at which she is no good. She is good a cutting down small things, but bigger things, not much use.

          It is likely that without my work in the garden, her efforts to grow food would be ineffectual. But she does most of the work, and likes it. And she is considerably better at it than I am. She plants things, they grow. I plant things, they fail to grow, or fail to bear fruit.

          • Kunning Drueger says:

            My experience closely resembles Jim’s. My contribution adds scale, complexity, and endurance, but she does exceptionally well with the vegetables.

            • jim says:

              I have a battery powered spray backpack which I use to fight back the jungle. With it, I can very quickly clear a large area. It is simply too big and heavy for her to walk around with it on her shoulders, and I frequently see that she has painstakingly cleared a large are of small plants with a machete and weeding fork, and I say “Hey, you should have asked me to spray that”. She uses the whipper snipper from time to time, but gets tired quickly. She also is prone to mistreating the machete, and I have to resharpen it. Without me resharpening it, it would rapidly cease to be useful.

              Women tend to not use tools, particularly big complex tools, are not good with tools, and are not good with tasks that need the right tool. They are apt to damage and misuse tools, and disinclined to fix them or to get the right tool. I am always assigning her the right tool for the job. But she is still a better gardener than I am, and does considerably more gardening. She is considerably better with the machete than I am, but when she uses it, it takes more damage, even though she is using it with less force.

              Women have been helping other women deliver babies for a very long time, but it was men who invented the forceps, and almost always men who use them, saving the lives of a great number of babies and women during the dangerous process of delivering a baby.

              • i says:

                “Women have been helping other women deliver babies for a very long time, but it was men who invented the forceps, and almost always men who use them, saving the lives of a great number of babies and women during the dangerous process of delivering a baby.”

                There needs to be innovations that render most c-sections unnecessary that are just like the invention of the forceps.

                Likewise ways to ensure the function of the breasts to help the mother breastfeed the baby.

                Engineering problems that need to be dealt with.

                • Redbible says:

                  From what I’ve heard from a midwife, most c-sections that currently happen are unnecessary. Doctors tell women to no eat before labor because that already have planned as a “back up” to do a c-section. Also the midwife said that inducing labor tend to be a good way to end up needing a c-section, since if the body then “stops” the forced labor, you have a problem. She also said that she thinks that c-sections cause issues with the mother bonding to the child. (Actually she also went into a lot about how many things about how hospitals do delivery seems to hurt the bonding between mother and child.)

                • alf says:

                  There’s unnecessary c-sections, unnecessary pain killers, unnecessary labor induction medicine and generally a whole bunch of dumb and harmful procedures regarding childbirth in hospitals.

                  I feel like there’s this strange path we walked in which we went from 25% infant mortality to 2.5% infant mortality to a still low infant mortality rate but with all sorts of unhealthy procedures. Undoubtedly some procedures in reducing infant mortality are great, but these days they are buried under many more procedures which are harmful.

      • Adam says:

        One of the best trad things for a wife and mother is scrapbooking. It is time consuming and tedious, but it allows them to express themselves creatively and chronicle your family life. They love it.

        Instagram is a perverse manifestation of a woman’s inherent need to scrapbook.

    • Adam says:

      “What are women do to in a post-industrial society?”

      Well, certainly they should not be left unattended. The answer to every woman problem is “Where is her supervisor? Why was she allowed to roam free?”.

      7 kids two years apart from age 18 gets you into your early 30s. Last child turns 18 around 50. Should already have grandkids by then.

      Hens are best kept in the henhouse. If you run out of things for your wife to do, start getting rid of appliances.

      • Pooch says:

        7 kids was not enough to keep Harriet Beecher Stowe from writing Uncle Tom’s Cabin, an incredibly damaging book at the time that continues to cause damage to this day.

        • Adam says:

          Where was her supervisor? Why wasn’t she kept busy?

          I am increasingly of the opinion that women do not need to learn how to read above a 3rd grade level. Just enough to exchange recipes with mom and sisters.

  74. Karl says:

    Funny how you link economic decline to stagnation or, more precisely, to stagflation. Stagflation was two years agao or maybe last year. By now we have an inflationary recession, which I expect to turn into an inflationary depression and then into a hyperinflationary depression.

    People would like to have stagnation, but are not getting it.

    By the way, Webbster’s defines stagflation as “persistent inflation combined with stagnant consumer demand…” Walmart reports no stagnant consumer demand. Walmarts reports falling consumer demand.

    • jim says:

      > persistent inflation combined with stagnant consumer demand…

      Never happens. Has not happened in all of history.

      The problem, rather, is that a shortage of stuff, the famous supply chain chaos, leads to higher prices, and then in due course the shelves are refilled, because fewer people are buying. When you have inflation, it is not demand that is the problem. Demand is now adjusting to the reality of supply.

      Demand was the problem. All that money printing, combined with the systematic and intentional destruction of the capability to produce, led to too much demand, unsustainable demand. Which demand in excess of diminishing supply is now beginning to be corrected.

      During the German hyperinflation, the authorities were fond of telling people that there was insufficient demand and insufficient money in circulation, and they needed to correct this problem.

      I expect very shortly an announcement from the fed that they need to back off from raising rates, because stagflation. In reality, that the seignorage tax is hitting its laffer limit is crushing supply, and they are emitting a cloud of squid ink to gaslight us.

      • A2 says:

        Speaking of the Fed, it might also be going bankrupt.

        https://www.axios.com/2022/05/18/fed-mortgage-portfolio

        Post-COVID, they have a $2.7tn mortgage portfolio and now that interest rates are rising, their bonds are falling in value.

        A commenter (with a FreddieMac background): “Let’s say that the mortgage securities have an average interest rate of 3 percent. Then if the market interest rate goes to 6 percent, the Fed will be sitting on a market-value loss of over $1 trillion.”

        https://arnoldkling.substack.com/p/is-the-fed-going-bankrupt-519

        A commercial actor would be bankrupt at that point. Apparently the Fed can’t just print the difference either, though why this is the case is unclear to me. (Regulations?)

        Then again, what’s a trillion between friends? It seems unlikely that FedGov would let the Fed go down — presumably regulations can be changed — but wouldn’t it be droll if we saw the responsibility for the dollar quietly transferred to the Second Federal Bank?

        • Aryaman says:

          The Fed’s mark to market loss — or rather, what it’s mark-to-market loss would be if it was forced to liquidate its positions for lack of equity as any private bank would have had to do — is the amount of money that is printed. Theoretically, under normal conditions at least, all the 30-year bonds it holds have fundamental value and would not trade anywhere near 20 percent if the Fed offloaded it all at once.

          If the Fed bought all its 30-years at around 2 percent and has to sell them all at around 5 percent (let us say that is the fundamental long term rate) then its loss on that investment — the money it has incinerated and the government printed — is about 60 percent. The duration of its portfolio is a little shorter than that, bringing the loss to somewhere between 40 and 60 percent.

          Strangely, between 40 and 60 percent is approximately the level of inflation I’ve observed since the Fed started its game before the pandemic. Or an annual inflation rate between 25 and 30 percent.

          Suppose we had a gold standard. And the Fed bought government bonds with gold liabilities. And the people funding those liabilities said “wait, you are insolvent and cannot service our liabilities we are going away”. And the government gives the Fed a piece of paper that is by law deemed equivalent to gold.

          How much money was printed? Not the amount of gold liabilities the Fed purchased, but the quantity of fake gold the government was required to pledge to the Fed to keep its debtors at bay (which debtors are required to consider fake gold the government print as equivalent to real gold). Or the mark-to-market loss on the bonds that it purchased funded by gold.

        • Neurotoxin says:

          A2: “Speaking of the Fed, it might also be going bankrupt…. Apparently the Fed can’t just print the difference either, though why this is the case is unclear to me.”

          It’s unclear to you because you have common sense, in contrast to Arnold Kling, who is either totally senile or lying his ass off.

          Kling says,
          “If you’re thinking that the Fed cannot go bankrupt because it can print money, your picture of the Fed is simplistic and out of date. The post-2008 Fed works differently.”

          This is an outrageous falsehood. In fact, it is true that the Fed cannot go bankrupt, because it can print money.

          Kling actually was Fed economist back in the 1980s. But his statements are provably wrong. I’ll focus on one that’s of subsidiary importance but easily refuted: Kling argues that banks can’t be forced to hold reserves created by the Fed. Actually the Fed can legally require banks to hold reserves. In fact, for the pretty much the entirety of the Fed’s history, until March 2020, it did exactly that. Google “reserve requirements.” Or open literally any banking/macroecon textbook written in the last 80 years up to 2020. Jesus. How addle-pated can this dude be?

        • Gedeon says:

          Dollars as we know them are “FRNs” or Federal Reserve Notes. FRN holders can either 1) consume something with them now or 2) swap them for a financial asset in the hopes of consuming more with the ROI in the future.

          As was established in practice post-Bear Stearns failure, the Fed can hold assets to maturity. The Fed becoming a balance sheet seller is swapping financial assets for FRNs which reduces dollar deposits in the system. Take a look at St. Louis Fred website data for total FRNs circulating/issued and if that number is smaller than their balance sheet, the Fed is over collateralized to meet their liabilities. The other thing with the Fed is all earnings beyond opex and preferred stock dividends are remitted to the US Treasury.

          With MBSs, the debt is collateralized against the underlying real estate and those loans are guaranteed by the GSE which is back stopped by the US Treasury. The Fed only fails from a run on its balance sheet it cannot meet, like 1971 with gold. But a run today would be the Fed running out of US sovereign debt instruments….

          The truth is, this all goes on until tax collections fail. The deferred filing requirements in 2020 was close to game over.

          • jim says:

            Three straws in the wind:

            1. Thanks to sanctions, the ruble is now trading well above its old levels: https://wise.com/au/currency-converter/rub-to-usd-rate

            2. The government of Sri Lanka is facing riots because the government cannot buy fuel. The sovereign explained to the public that they were broke “we have no dollars or rubles”. Before the sanctions, he would have said “we have no dollars”. Because the dollar has become substantially less convertible into goods, people are now thinking in their guts that rubles and rénmínbì are international currencies, where formerly there was only a patronizing polite pretense that they were international currencies.

            3. A lot of people said that the exchange rate for rubles was fake and gay, an official price rather than a real price. And for a little while it was. But now I am seeing quasi state official action to create a fake and gay “offshore exchange rate” that pretends that the ruble is worth less than it is worth. I expect that if you are trying to purchase actual Russian goods and services, and try to buy rubles at the GAE “offshore exchange rate”, you will have no luck. This prediction will be tested when Wise resumes its exchange services for Russian rubles, because on the one hand Wise is fully converged, but on the other hand you actually can use Wise to buy foreign stuff. The quasi official GAE “offshore exchange rate” so far appears to be unavailable to people who want actual Russian rubles to buy actual Russian stuff, and I predict it will continue to be the way that it is now.

            For the quasi official GAE “offshore exchange rate” to become real, we would need to see people with Russian rubles buying dollars at the GAE quasi official rate rather than the Russian rate, because inconvenienced by Russian exchange controls and unable to exchange at the better Russian rate, people with rubles who need dollars but cannot get them at the Russian rate because of exchange controls. Might happen, but I do not expect it to happen. If it does happen, then the GAE rate will be real, and the Russian rate unreal. We shall soon know which rate is real. Right now, the GAE quasi official rate is unreal. Organizations that adhere to the quasi official GAE “offshore exchange rate” simply do not have any rubles to exchange. No one wants to give them any rubles at their rate, so they simply have no rubles. Maybe they will have rubles some time in the future, but the wind is not blowing their way.

            • Gedeon says:

              So is the dollar index fake and gay?

              https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/dxy

              This is a reply to the posters above who mentioned treasuries are used as a money substitute. This is not really accurate, but I don’t have a strong quibble with it. Treasuries are used as collateral in international transactions, but they are still settled in dollars. These dollars are liabilities of the financial system and are not the same as FRNs. A more personal explanation is that you can write a check or ACH your tax tab to uncle sam, but you can’t send FRNs. The FRNs are legal tender, but I somehow can’t use them to buy ice cream at Van Leeuwen’s in Manhattan. More than anything today, FRNs are claims against the Federal Reserves balance sheet. They have highest seniority in the liquidation of the Federal Reserve system. That’s assuming, laughingly, that the legal system would hold when the Federal Reserve system fails.

              To keep the treasury yields positive, the Federal Reserve can either reduce (sell) assets on its balance sheet AND/OR the US Treasury can issue (borrow) more US Treasuries. The collateral shortage went critical in Summer 2019, so it was only a question of what the excuse to issue trillions of fresh collateral would be and it just so happened to be a comprehensive global coup scheme we know as the rona pandemic. The reason we aren’t seeing anymore stimulus is because the system can’t handle anymore stimulus or we would have hyperinflation.

              Checkout lumber prices of the past month. CRASHING!!!

              Russia has a very small economy and there is no dollar volume to speak of now, but the biggest factor for the rebounding Rouble is that the currency is still deeply discounted vs. its pre-2014 trading level. The initial weeks of the Ukraine adventure triggered panic selling among a lot of large institutions/people who had to sell while they still could. Everyone who didn’t is ostensibly in it for the long run outcome now.

              Sri Lanka is poor for many reasons, but no tourism certainly hasn’t helped them and it won’t be coming back anytime soon. Like the subprime crisis in 2007 which led to the prime crisis in 2008, the weakest hands fall first and there are knock-on effects up the food chain. I live in the middle of ag america and my friends farm thousands of acres. They are good on both fertilizer and PROPANE (drying corn) through this season. US food production is actually about 24 months out, so the SHTF in the US on a food basis would likely be a late 2023-2024 crisis. Until then, the third world is going to have problems for all of the logistical reasons already covered.

              • jim says:

                > Checkout lumber prices of the past month. CRASHING!!!

                The crisis in commodities is easing, as end products get priced more realistically. Fluctuations are extreme, because supply chain chaos. No one commodity is indicative, but a bunch of commodities is indicative.

      • Javier says:

        All of which was predicted by smart people two years ago, to which the MMT guys replied that this time there won’t by inflation “Because shut up.”

        If democrats were smart they would be calling this Trump’s Inflation, since all these policies originated under him (Cheered and promoted by the libs, but nevermind). Instead they are saying “there’s no inflation” and “it’s good actually.”

        I’ve also noticed the price gouging argument being tossed about, with advertisements showing up saying “Costs aren’t rising corporations are just being greedy.” So someone is now paying money to spread lies and propaganda about inflation. Next they will start blaming hoarding. I tend to believe incompetence over conspiracy but it’s hard to believe all of this is happening unintentionally.

        • Neurotoxin says:

          If democrats were smart they would be calling this Trump’s Inflation, since all these policies originated under him (Cheered and promoted by the libs, but nevermind). Instead they are saying “there’s no inflation” and “it’s good actually.”

          In my experience the party line on inflation is “Putin!” But yes, it is odd that they’re not calling it “Trump’s inflation,” as per their typical practice.

          But it is not true that “all these policies originated under him [Trump].” The shutting down of oil capacity was NOT Trump’s policy.

    • Adam says:

      Yup. Have heard from two different major tool vendors that they do not have equipment on the showroom floor anymore, demand is 50% greater than a year ago and everything is back ordered into next year.

      These companies, like our material suppliers, just cannot meet the needs of their customers. Shortage of raw materials, shortage of labor. There is gum in the works from top to bottom.

      I was a little surprised to hear the overall demand was so high for new CNC machines. They are a good investment though.

      I kind of get the feeling we are in a boom and bust at the same time. Everyone from producer to consumer is confused as to what to do.

    • Ghost says:

      Part of the consumer goods shortage is supply chain breakdown resulting from rolling lockdowns throughout the world. Another issue is Democrats shutting down oil. Energy prices go up which effect all industries. Hard to say where this will wind up. The economy is being shut down on purpose. Part of it could be forced demographic change another side could be dollar devaluation to implement something more trackable/controllable.

    • Neurotoxin says:

      Karl: “Funny how you link economic decline to stagnation or, more precisely, to stagflation. Stagflation was two years agao or maybe last year. By now we have an inflationary recession…”

      In my experience people sometimes use “stagflation” to mean “inflation and real GDP isn’t changing much” and they sometimes use it to mean “inflation and real GDP is falling.” I wouldn’t get hung up about this phrase; just use different words to make your point.

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