The end of gold

Gold has been great insurance against crisis and collapse for five thousand years.

Now it ends.

The gold bugs are whistling in the dark.

Currently there is about ten trillion in gold value held in private hands, about one trillion in crypto currency, primarily bitcoin. So gold still dominates crypto currency by capital value. But volume of crypto currency transactions dominates volume of gold transactions, because it is a lot easier and safer to move crypto currency around than to move gold around.

If technology collapses, if the grid goes down, as well it might, you will be able to buy stuff with gold and you will not be able to buy stuff with crypto currency.

But you will be able to move to some place where technology has not collapsed, and take your assets with you in your head. Try doing that with gold, and it will be confiscated.

Gold is a hedge against social and societal collapse, and crypto currency is a hedge against social and societal collapse. Social and societal collapse looms, but gold is going down, and crypto currency going up.

This is going to continue. Gold is going to be demonetized, because crypto currency is simply better money. When gold is demonetized, its value will fall to its industrial and decorative value, which I would guess to be something like ten percent of its current value. Though by that time a Big Mac will probably cost a few billion US fiats. It will take gold a long time to demonetize, as it took silver a long time to demonetize.

For the past fourteen or so years, the US government has been going hog wild on printing money, and people have been prophesying monetary doom. I expected them to be correct, but I did not prophesy doom, because I figured I would wait to see some signs that doom was actually arriving. There is a lot of ruin in a nation. Well, I have been waiting longer than I expected, but now I see signs of monetary doom. But probably not till 2023, 2025, or so. Could be 2022, but I don’t really expect it in 2022.

The likely sequence will probably be long drawn out. People who are hanging on to their fiat money waiting for prices to return to “normal” will slowly give up, and when enough of them have given up things will get wild. And after things have been wild for a while the government will take some drastic actions, and announce normality has returned. And enough people will believe them that for a short while it will seem that normality has returned – at a much higher, but seemingly stable, price level. And then roller coaster will suddenly take another dip. After a few such dips, the increasingly frequent announcements of normality will cease to have the desired effect and we get full on hypeinflation where you just cannot buy stuff for US dollars, and if you can you are uncertain about the number of zeroes that are appropriate.

The US dollar and British pound have had a very long run – compared to all other fiat currencies. But the life expectancy of fiat currencies is not very good. The anglo social order is ending. What replaces it, is up for grabs.

975 Responses to “The end of gold”

  1. RMIV says:

    Jim,

    my parents are wicked boomers

    God says honor thy father & mother

    i am not pleased to say that i hate them

    nevertheless i do hate them

    am i wrong to be thus?

    as far as i can tell, they are not my neighbors per your interpretation of the Good Samaritan parable

    nevertheless am i wrong

    • The Cominator says:

      I rather dislike my mother for various reasons but im at least formally if coldly polite and do speak to her on occasion.

      They would have to have been abusive to justify hating them.

    • jim says:

      You are required to honor your father and your mother. Not contingent on their good behavior. We see no special commands about loving your father and mother.

      • The Cominator says:

        There is a limit of bad behavior with parents in which I would not follow this and neither God nor man would make me, being loyal to people who totally don’t deserve it and have no loyalty to you is for NPCs.

        • RMIV says:

          being perfectly frank, Com, my present feelings more closely align with what you said here.

          but i suspect Jim is right and that to do the “right thing” here isn’t contingent on their good behavior. they don’t deserve my aid but i guess that’s the point. i honor God by honoring them perhaps.

          maaaaan this is gonna suck. perhaps by the end i will not hate them. yet i also don’t know how to slam the door shut on them because of God. “honor thy father and mother” seems quite unambiguous and inescapable 😕

          • Kunning Drueger says:

            I struggle with this too, in a different way. The “2 cheeks” principle applies in the little skirmishes and petty bullshit between parents and children, but the honor component remains. Thus, I endeavor to give my parents 2 chances in a given situation, and if any BS continues, I make myself absent. But I can’t cut them out, nor do I want to. But establishing firm boundaries and endeavoring mightily to hold my tongue even if I’m right has greatly helped a terrible situation become very tolerable.

            • Pooch says:

              There are topics I’ve come to realize are just not worth discussing with my dad. Nothing comes productive of it so I make it known these things are off the table. So we find common ground and it’s not so bad and we both enjoy the conversation. I would count that as honoring him.

              • Kunning Drueger says:

                Well put. Me too, to the letter. I think where I struggle is conflating Honor and Respect.

          • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

            There are limits to what you can do if you are still under their household.

            The ‘dharmic’ thing to do with wicked sires is to move out and go your own way.

      • RMIV says:

        if i am so required what does that entail?

        frankly i don’t care about them i care about God.

        i am not eager to offend Him.

      • Mr.P says:

        I honor my father for what he gave me, accept and acknowledge the goodness he imparted.

        I hate him for the way he, a narcissist, treated me and always will.

    • Neofugue says:

      Please do not hate your parents, or anyone else for that matter, for nothing good comes out of anger. Those whom have your ire cannot feel and often are indifferent regarding your emotions, and assuming they did care you would be unable to understand them in return. Honoring one’s father and mother means doing what is good in the eye of the Lord; in a moral society, this translates as obedience. If one’s parents are evil, disobedience in the name of Christ honors them all the more.

      Your first objective ought to be to become independent, with a career and a place to live. Afterwards, you must forgive your parents in person for all of their transgressions, for if we do not forgive those who have transgressed against us seventy-times-seven, how can The Father forgive our transgressions against him?

      Some of my close relatives have problems with and are estranged from their parents, and as a result these people lead empty lives. Without forgiveness, as difficult and as awkward as it may be, one cannot move on with his life. View the forgiveness of others’ sins as a type of martyrdom and focus more on your own sins, and you will find yourself happier and more fulfilled.

      • Pooch says:

        Please do not hate your parents

        Hating your parents is a leftist trait and for that alone you know it is anti-god.

        • Kunning Drueger says:

          You make it sound so simple, and I guess it is, but I’m embarrassed about how long it took me to realize this precept. Hate really is the most widely wielded weapon of the enemies of GNON.

          • Pooch says:

            Indeed, leftists had no problem ratting out their own family members that attended IV.VI to the authorities, even their own parents in some cases in true Pavlik Morozov fashion. They hate us, they hate themselves, and they hate everything true and good in the world. That should give us all pause.

  2. DavyCrockett says:

    Depending on where you live, Coming Soon to a country near you: Australians are being put into covid concentration camps against their will, and then hunted down and brought back when they escaped for a few hours by police searching entire province, even these 15, 16, and 17 year olds who tested negative for covid the day before they escaped, merely were in a community with covid. And the new reporters gleefully reporting on it in the local news with grins and smirks like its normal. They also all got 5000 dollar fines for trying to escape from the gulags.

    https://twitter.com/D4rkSh4wn/status/1466058099018579977

    https://twitter.com/tahliasarv/status/1465895543746416640?s=20

  3. Kunning Drueger says:

    Does anyone have some insight to offer regarding the buildups of Russian hard power on the eastern border of Ukraine just as Poland and Belarus are at a fairly dramatic point in a border dispute? The little wars in the Caucuses are simmering as well. All of this in the new paradigm of Kabul. The Cathedral perspective seems to be “the walls are closing in, stretched too thin, if they dare to move we’ll push their shit in” rhetoric, but it could also be described as Russia’s military is already set in an aggressive posture while NATO is chasing its tail trying to “undo” the Trump “damage” while keeping all of the progress. The Anglin piece about how the incompetents at the top are attempting too many plots at once seems to be true of international affairs, not just domestic. IIRC the repatriation of The Crimea occured soon after Obama pussied out on his Syrian red line. Is it possible that Russia would take a chance to consolidate its frontier under the belief that Biden regime can’t or won’t do anything about it?

    • jim says:

      If I was in Putin’s shoes I would be fishing for a direct clash between NATO and Russian forces over an issue too insignificant to pose much risk of it going nuclear, but if Putin had that in mind I would expect him to be moving more decisively to masculinize Ruissian men and provide them with opportunities to marry. So I don’t think he has that in mind.

      Cathedral military incapacity should be leading to invasions from beyond the gates, and China is obviously preparing for a Taiwan takeover, but not any time soon, and Putin is not making similar preparations. The Chinese truculence over faggot pop culture pushed by the Cathedral is an indication of preparation for military takeover of Taiwan. Not seeing similar Putin truculence.

      • Kunning Drueger says:

        I respectfully disagree on two counts: Coronatarianism in Russia is a testament to higher than anticipated cringe levels in the governance structure (my guess is holdover 20th century normalthink), so I doubt Putin is playing JimD chess, so not a surprise if he thinks he can fight with what he has, kind of like Xi reviving Maoism; failure of imagination or trapped in paradigm. AND Putin’s documented strategy is lightning takeover under cover of ethno-national protectionism. This strategy has worked before (Serbia in 1990s, Crimea in 2010s) and is viable in Baltics, Belorussia, East Ukraine, Caucuses, and possibly the -stans. If he wants a showdown between glorious gopnik and virgin europoor, the move(s) would happen in the West. If he thinks China is distracted enough in the East, could be better to move Southeast. Turkey is a real threat, but pot stirring in the Caucuses *seems* to be effective enough. Regardless, the demographic timebomb continues to tick for the Rodina, so I think it will be a frontier expansion to bring more Russians home to Russia, so I predict West. We’ll see. Either way, I imagine it will coincide with both midterms and big moves in the Pacific.

      • Pooch says:

        If I were China and Russia, I would just sit and wait for Globohomo to run its course over the American Empire. What’s the rush to take over Taiwan or Ukraine? American military capability is going to collapse to Somalian levels sometime this century.

        • Calvin says:

          China has an utterly enemic birthrate thanks to their moronic decades-long policy, and Russia’s isn’t much better than the rest of Europe. They don’t have the demographics to wait all that long.

        • p says:

          In narrative A, Russia is massing troops on the border, preparing to invade Ukraine.

          In narrative B, Ukraine, edged by the Biden admin, is preparing to “invade” Donbass, and the Russians are responding accordingly.

          Each side is accusing the other, so we’ve no idea which of these is correct. Or at least I do not.

          I doubt (A) because Russia already had a few better opportunities to invade and didn’t. Although who knows.

          As for China, they don’t want to invade Taiwan, they want Taiwan to voluntarily surrender.

          • jim says:

            I find it more plausible that Ukraine was planning to invade Ukraine, and the Russian troops are there to signal it is a bad idea.

            They will invade if they can get a Nato promise to “protect” them. Somewhat to my surprise, this promise has not been forthcoming. If it comes, then it is on. The Russian troops massed near Donbass make it likely that this promise will not be forthcoming.

            China is slowly ratcheting up the pressure on Taiwan. They are preparing to invade eventually if need be, but probably not any time soon. They don’t expect, and I don’t expect, invasion to be needed. Likely there will be some spectacular display of humiliating weakness by the American hegemony in the not very distant future, and individual Taiwanese leaders will negotiate with China to double cross each other, until Taiwan falls into China’s lap.

        • Kunning Drueger says:

          I think demographic collapse and geopolitical necessity, for both the bear and the dragon, are enough to make the situation dynamic. If either nation had a millennial baby boom, sitting back and investing in popcorn futures would be the safest option. As it stands… Slavic Russia is disappearing, and Han China is on the verge of internal balkanization (Jim disagrees in both points, with a lot of good reasoning in his corner, BTW). The only nations that are first world and have a second baby boom are USA, New Zealand, and France. Turkey is very well positioned, as is Argentina, to take advantage of global disruption and disarray. I’m lifting most of this very heavily from a strategic forecaster of ill repute, but his assertion is that Russia will foment a war in Eastern Europe, China will be forced into a hot trade war in the Pacific basin, India and Pakistan are in a collision course, and all of this is predicated on the US withdrawal from its self appointed position as globalization stability agent (withdrawal from the Bretton Woods strategy). There are plenty of holes, but I think in general it is the logical progression.

          • Varna says:

            ‘Slavic Russia” is like the “South Slavs” of south-east Europe — mostly a convenient fantasy.
            Belarus is 100% Slavic.
            The Ukraine is Slavic-Turkic, the Balkans are Slavic-Turkic, and Russia is Slavic-Turkic-Mongoloid.
            If we look (completely random choice of topics, of course) at Russian high school graduation chicks, from “the Slavic regions”, we’ll see that the proper Slavic look is like 1 in 5 or even 1 in 10. All other chicks could Ukrainian, Moldovan, Romanian, Hungarian, Bulgarian, Albanian etc.
            https://yaustal.com/uploads/posts/2020-05/medium/1590549906_rossii-proshel-poslednij-zvonok-3.jpg
            https://korki.lol/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/sexy-vipusknici-08.jpg
            https://korki.lol/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/sexy-vipusknici-09.jpg
            https://kaifolog.ru/uploads/posts/2019-06/thumbs/1560430467_005.jpg
            https://kaifolog.ru/uploads/posts/2019-06/thumbs/1560430428_006.jpg

            About 77% of the population of Russia count as Slavs, but they’re mostly imaginary Slavs. Slavs as “not mongoloids”, and “not Tatars/Chechens”, not “actual Slavs as such”.

            In Russia, the Ukraine, Bulgaria, Montenegro, you see these super dusky brunettes with brown eyes looking at you earnestly while they explain “we Slavs”, and in terms of physical anthropology it’s like looking at an Algerian or an Iraqi or an upper caste Hindu telling you “we Slavs”, but hey, at least they feel an internal belonging to a cultural superstructure.

            “Slav-identifying people” in a sense, kek.

            In the West even the identification with the cultural superstructure has been pretty much subverted.

            • Kunning Drueger says:

              Of course, I defer to your wisdom and experience. But I firmly believe that belief makes a culture. This might be a function of being old-blood American (great migration era with the documents to prove my ancestors should have been slaughtered by Cromwell, lol). Every group, subgroup, and loose association you mentioned has some pretty powerful meme-magic to draw on. This is a very long running position I have from a while back in a now defunct history department, but I still maintain that Poland and Uzbekistan are nascent power centers that will rise after the Bretton Woods/Beijing world order(s) collapse. We shall see. Rather, we’ll never know. But I choose to be optimistic.

        • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

          >If I were China and Russia, I would just sit and wait for Globohomo to run its course over the American Empire. What’s the rush to take over Taiwan or Ukraine? American military capability is going to collapse to Somalian levels sometime this century.

          The more ‘deep outsideness’ perspective would be that, your order’s time in the sun, too, is limited; and thus well it oft is to strike while the irons of assabiyah are hot, to concretely cement imperium.

          • Kunning Drueger says:

            Do you think there are elites somewhere in the world looking at things in the way you portrayed? I feel like a moderate power with Jimian advisors would be very well placed to rise, but there doesn’t appear to be a configuration like that. They could be extant and invisible, but it very much seems like, as Varna said about Russia, its Neo-Liberal turtles all the way down with national/cultural differences. The global response to the Coronahoax suggests this, I think.

            • Pooch says:

              The problem is there is no aristocracy anywhere that is not influenced by Harvard. China has no problem sending its best students to Western colleges and it seems the same can be said for Russia.

  4. Mister Grumpus says:

    Twitter’s nearly through now, so future Rittenhouses are in even more perilous danger. And millions more by extension. This really is about communication and cohesion, rather than armaments. Real “defense” is reliable and safe communication. Ever more comprehend this now.

    The need for a “proper” Social Networking, conforming to Jim’s white paper, grows ever more urgent.

    If you would, please give or point to whatever advice you can give to these two distinct demographics:

    1: Those smart enough to help with the programming
    2: Those earnestly concerned, but not smart enough

    Even if it’s just two “null sets” to keep out idiots and entryists, I request anyway, because holy shit this is getting bad.

    • C4ssidy says:

      I’d like the option for people to publicly write about any concept, or even something specific such as reviewing a movie or a restaurant. I would search for that topic and it would ping through the network to discover who am I likely to trust. One result would be something highly trusted by someone I highly trust, and another would be trusted by five people who I don’t really know but who at least I think are real people, so it gets ahead of the bot post with 500 noname likes . I once passed the shill test. In an ideal network the readers here would flag me green or flag Jim to trust his flags. If I made an unrelated website or post/tweet somewhere, I should get prioritised to the relevant flaggers. The names of the accounts do not necessarily have to be the same

    • Oog en Hand says:

      ” Real “defense” is reliable and safe communication.”

      As I said, LANGUAGE….

  5. So some people I’ve been working with have been dealing with some offshore trusts, and recently they have been having *big problems*. Very strange things are happening, even their lawyers are starting to act weird. We’re beginning to think based on the information we have that the Feds may have subverted these trusts to launder USG money for some stupid Deep State bullshit.

    I really should figure out whether this is what is happening or if we are just paranoid. If Fed nonsense is involved obviously everyone should just quietly walk away and eat whatever financial loss (this would be quite unpleasant but shit happens).

    Jim, you have mentioned this being the way Soros operated, is there any place I can go to see what this looks like from just outside of it?

    If you all have any information about other examples where this horseshit has happened that I can study, this would be very helpful in figuring out what is really going on in this situation and making a smart decision.

    • The Cominator says:

      Nobody admit here to using them, speak in the hypothetical and my friends tell me form of speech…

      • Oh for sure. Again I’m mostly interested in *public* references to this sort of shit happening, I don’t want any personal details about however people are handling their own issues.

    • jim says:

      I don’t have any experience or knowledge of offhore trusts, but I have rather too much knowledge that I wish I had not painfully discovered about international transactions.

      Using the fiat dollar for international transactions is hard, getting harder, and people are being extremely secretive about why some transactions run into difficulties and some do not – the pro forma answer being that you are guilty of something but we will not tell you what you are guilty of.

      Sometimes they just flat out confiscate the money, and threaten to charge you with something if you make a fuss, but will not tell you what they are going to charge you with.

      There is a lot of it going around, and a lot more of it going around than there used to be.

      There is a lot of it going around. The banking system is increasingly being run by fools, crooks, and dumb crooks and increasingly being regulated and supervised by fools, crooks, and dumb crooks.

      The best case, which is quite likely, is that they are just screwing up. If the money has not disappeared, probably moronic incompetence, rather than criminality. There is a plentiful supply of both stupendous incompetence and vicious depravity.

      The IQ floor, the minimum required for the system to work, is 105, marginally above average. And increasingly it is being operated by people below that level.

    • The Ducking Man says:

      You need to watch “Fall of Cabal” series and it’s sequel in Bitchute. Jannet Ossebaard has shown in detail on how typical cathedral agents move their money.

      In short (actual scheme is a lot more complicated), but in short it goes like this:

      Raise money via fundraising agents > funnel the money via 3 / 4 NGOs > Final transfer to agents who actually do the dirty works.

      It make sense because NGO don’t have to disclose who their sources and not punished for lying whom they give the money to.

      I would not be surprised that if increased off-shore unaccounted transactions means something big is going on.

      My best estimate is new strain of smallpox that will be as big as rona-chan that BG has hinted on past few months.

    • notglowing says:

      I saw your post on fedi. I was gonna mention this here, didn’t expect you to show up next day posting it

  6. Tityrus says:

    The FDA just gave emergency authorization to the Covid drug molnupiravir.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/11/30/1060130774/an-fda-panel-supports-merck-covid-drug-in-mixed-vote

    “The Merck drug is taken twice a day for five days and works by causing a cascade of disabling mutations in the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus during replication.”

    What kind of fucking idea is that? “Causing a cascade of disabling mutations”? You don’t have to be a genius to see that this is going to cause cancer and birth defects.

    Another gem:

    ” ‘I don’t think you can ethically say it’s OK to give this drug in pregnancy, obviously,’ said Dr. Janet Cragan of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention during the deliberations. ‘But at the same time, I’m not sure you can ethically tell a pregnant woman who has COVID-19 that she can’t have the drug if she’s decided that’s what she needs.’ ”

    Tactical libertarianism.

    Note that right now this is the only drug that is legal for US doctors to prescribe to Covid patients.

    • Karl says:

      No, it is merely the only drug that is legal to prescribe for treatment of covid-19. If the covid patient by some coincidnce also has scabies or a tapeworm it is legal to prescribe ivermectin.

    • Cloudswrest says:

      “What kind of fucking idea is that? “Causing a cascade of disabling mutations”? You don’t have to be a genius to see that this is going to cause cancer and birth defects.”

      Indeed. We had a discussion here about this a few weeks back. Here is Jim on Gab (which is easier to find than here.)

      https://gab.com/jim7z/posts/107029552677882449

    • p says:

      >“Causing a cascade of disabling mutations”?

      It disables a mechanism that the virus uses to detect copying errors and discard them.

      • jim says:

        No, disables a mechanism in the cells under attack that viruses coopt to detect copying errors and discard them. Which is bad for the virus, but also bad for the organism under attack.

  7. Bruno says:

    It’s not the fact that a mobile home in parts of California now costs more than $600,000 that disturbs me.

    What disturbs me is that $600,000 only buys a mobile home.

    At a certain point, this is no longer about a real estate bubble inflating, but a dollar bubble deflating.

    Real estate isn’t worth more, dollars are worth less. Worthless.

  8. Aidan says:

    Rekindling the discussion on prepping with a big effortpost. First, lets look at history.

    In the modern near east, 70% of males have the same y-haplotype (indicating unbroken descent in the male line) as the men who raised the walls of Jericho seven to nine thousand years ago and began to farm. Millennia of war, conquest, genocide, and migration did not put as much of a dent as one would have thought in the genetic stock of the region. The bloody tides of history washed time and time again over the land, and the peasantry endured.

    In Britain on the other hand, after the fall of Rome, as Jim said, the urbanized and deracinated Briton population could not cohere to combat Saxon settlement and conquest. The Ambrosius Aurelianus legend tells us that they managed to fight them off for a generation, but swiftly lost their military competence, only to be enslaved and displaced by the Saxons.

    In Gaul after the fall of Rome, the remaining military elite of Rome allied and combined with the warrior caste of the invading German, which is evidenced by the fact that the roman “Dux” became a title of nobility on the continent. The Gallic people retained enough military competence to be worth allying with. The Briton was just “Wal”, or slave, to the Saxons, a term correlating loosely with “nigger” and which gave the name to the nation of Wales (lol).

    In Italy, the fall of Rome completely broke an already ruined people. Italy never again rose to world-historical prominence. Of course it remained full of faggy aesthetes creating “culture”, but remained totally pwned by foreign powers for the rest of its history. Italy has never won a war. No Italian city-state, other than Venice, managed to win a war against anything other than another Italian army.

    Modern revolutions have been driven by explicitly genocidal will towards the rural population, which gives a lot of us pause when it comes to riding out the collapse in a rural area. However, the Russian and French revolutions involved a lot of competent people on the evil side. The “masculine socialist” was a result of an intense faustian will to impose order and kingly rule on every facet of society, something that even suckered Carlyle in. I do not see this will today. The old socialists are motivated by comfort and security and hedonism; pure pig philosophy. The young ones by a hatred of whitey. The hatred of whitey is sufficient for a genocide, but the competence of AOC and Omar scares me very little.

    While our society is full of “wal”, and quite analogous culturally to Late Roman Britain, detribalized and comfortable, it is not as though we are up against the biological war machine that was the German barbarian. I can imagine some likely scenarios. Brezhnevian decline will only continue, if it remains the norm, as long as the old left stays alive. The gen-X left may be able to pick up their torch, who knows?

    The first scenario is that the young left does not come into power until the old left dies. It will, sure as the sunrise, attempt the typical gnostic democide, whether it takes the flavor of black-worship, gaea-worship, or covid-worship. But by this point, its competence and the decline of the institutions it manages will be at such a nadir that military resistance will be possible. It will no longer be effective at entryism, and thus small-scale organized crime can resist it, and a military organized around a prophet can defeat it.

    The second and far more dangerous scenario is that the young left manages to cow the old left while it is still alive, and the old left applies its managerial competence (relatively speaking) to democide in order to try and avoid being the first to the guillotine. Then we might see something like Holodomor II. The young left currently has memetic sovereignty, but the deep state has proved effective in foiling it, to an extent, so far. A significant faction of the old left today wants Euro-style managerial socialism, thinking it will make the young crazies chill out, but it will not.

    A third dangerous scenario is that the young left gets a foreign sponsor to provide it with the men and material to carry out its genocide, as the Red Army and the USSR was aided and abetted by the USA. Might be that China decides that letting the US drown in oceans of blood is in its best geopolitical interests. In that case, even I would consider fleeing.

    The fourth scenario is Caesar halting movement farther leftward, but I am currently very bearish on Caesar/Cromwell. Caesar and Cromwell came from the left. Both were truly excellent generals. Who is a candidate today? One of the sagging babyfaced armchair fillers in the current USM? I think we are so pozzed that there is no hope from the military.

    No, I think we will have to dance the ancient dance of fire and steel. When the young left fails to carry out its democide, when General Shaniqua and the Troon Force get kneecapped, it will be time for the barbarians to fight over the remnants of empire. And remember, the Amerikaner is also a barbarian. His situation is analogous to the Berber tribesman who lived under the suzerainty of Carthage and fought Carthage’s wars for her. (General Patton, ironically enough, -really was- the reincarnation of Hannibal.) I like my race’s chances in the long run. Many will die; but many are pigs. Those who live by pig philosophy die by pig philosophy. And just imagine what the first winter of warfare will do to our enemies.

    It’s been often pointed out that the lone farmer does not do so well in a collapse, that he is easy pickings. The farmer, who has a big productive farm, is an obvious target. Moving to a rural area is not alone sufficient; the most important part of prepping is tribalizing, building a community that can function as mutual defense. It does not have to be explicitly right wing (good people will do the right thing when the time comes, whatever they profess) and should not be a formal organization (entryism).

    This is first stage organization, the ability to provide defense against sporadic and unorganized violence. It is more or less a neighborhood watch.

    Second stage organization resembles a mafia, which will be necessary if gaea-worship or covid-worship gains both the upper hand and enough enforcement to make times tough. The essence of this is to provide a black market under which the essentials of life can be procured in economic collapse or third-world conditions. A mafia inherently possesses the capacity to act as a state, as it is filling in gaps in anarcho-tyranny.

    Third stage organization is an actual army. It is not time for an actual army, but if we hit actual anarchy, then it will be time for young men with no jobs, no hope, no future, to be brought together under the black flag.

    • alf says:

      Happy to see you posting blog content here.

      Modern revolutions have been driven by explicitly genocidal will towards the rural population

      Is that so? In the case of Russia’s kulaks makes sense. But in France, and I say this with little actual knowledge, I have in my head the image of the urban nobility kneeling under the guillotine in the city squares.

      • Upravda says:

        I believe that Aidan thinks of War in Vendeé, Chouannerie, and similar, mostly rural uprisings against french “revolutionaries”.

        Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn has written about that, specifically Vendeé if I recall correctly, in his books like Leftism, From de Sade and Marx to Hitler and Marcuse. A lot of his books are completely free nowadays. He was precursor of neoreactionaries, and it might be that he is somewhat less known in Anglosphere. Anyway, excellent read.

        So, yes, I think it can be said that modern revolutions are driven by hatred of villagers. Even in former Yugoslavia. After WW2, communists had serious intention to kill kulaks and introduce collective “ownership” of farmland and livestock like in Mother Russia. My grandpa and grandma were “kulaks” because they owned a mare instead of ox (or donkey in littoral), a wee little bit more farmland than average, and somewhat bigger house.

        However, a miracle happened! Miracle, I tell you!

        Comrade Tito, still drunk from blood of peoples’ and class’ enemies, has somehow managed to decide that sufficient holiness has been achieved, and stopped that particular madness while disbanding infamous village “cooperatives”. I guess he didn’t want any more interference from holier than him in his favorite business of collecting German Mercedeses and American cabriolets, and enjoying Sophia Loren’s cleavage.

        • jim says:

          Let us give thanks for Sophia Loren’s cleavage, without which the revolution would likely have ended up killing everyone, including Tito.

          https://www.slobodenpecat.mk/en/foto-sofija-loren-go-sakala-tito-toj-ja-sakal-jovanka-a-taa-bila-lubomorna-na-akterkata/

          According to Nenad and some other witnesses at the time, the Italian actress was in love with the former president of Yugoslavia, Josip Broz Tito, whom she often visited, sometimes secretly, on the property in his vineyard in Grocka.

          Both of them were married at the time.

        • Kunning Drueger says:

          You know, we often refer to Stalin when talking about spiral halt. It’s so obvious, but I never thought about it: Titobro is obviously the better model in terms of aspiration.

          • The Cominator says:

            Tito was more a warrior than a priest, we should said zero tears for Stalin wiping the old party members out.. him having to go along with collectivization and the random purges was the bad thing.

            • Kunning Drueger says:

              As well, the War of Progressive Aggression was terrible for the Balkan Slavs. Which may be sadly portentous for our story. You know how I feel about your position on “clean up,” but I’m not invoking it to argue. There’s a place for forgiveness and redemption in the restoration. Not because it feels good, or might be hard for folks like me to do what’s necessary, rather because the future remembers the past. When we balkanize then GNON willing restore, we owe it to ourselves and our progeny to actually learn from the past. Tito did amazingly well at uniting the region, but it only took 10 years for his good work to be undone. I wonder what lessons are hidden in that story. My gut says too sparingly doled out forgiveness/redemption, but I would say that. It is just as likely they left too many scores unsettled.

              • The Cominator says:

                The Balkans has long been filled with tribes that have wanted to wipe each other out but can’t, when the iron hand was removed they reverted to form.

                • Upravda says:

                  > The Balkans has long been filled with tribes that have wanted to wipe each other out but can’t, when the iron hand was removed they reverted to form.

                  Umm… no. Actually, that’s (mostly) bullshit.

                  Since the time immemorial until the 20th century, no wars has been waged between Croats, Serbs, and Slovenes, by none of their respective predecessor states or other entities. None, zilch, nada, zero. Serbs did expand against Bulgarians, Greeks and Albanians in high Middle Ages, but I’m not aware of anybody “wiping out” anyone. It was more like one landlord kicking out the other.

                  Before 20th century, the closest thing you have for “war between Croats and Serbs” was now almost forgotten skirmish between Ragusans and Serb Orthodox diocese in Ston, sometime in 14th century, during which said diocese was kicked out to Serbia proper. And that’s it. Far more serious were two medieval wars between Croatian kingdom and Bulgarians, during which Serbs were allied with Croats. The closest thing you had of someone genociding someone else were harsh repression against local Cathars by Serb kings, and somewhat less harsh repression of the same by Croatian and Hungarian rulers.

                  Yes, for a few centuries all local Christians wanted to kick out all local Muslims. There were almost no foreign Muslims in service of Ottoman Empire, only local. However, all that is totally another story…

                  It was only in 19th century that seed of discord was sown, and only in 20th century when proverbial hit the fan.

                  Even then, things were very far from clear-cut. In WW2 you had quite a few Croats among – chetniks (!!!). Officially, “Yugoslav army in fatherland”. On the other side, there existed real Croatian Orthodox Church, about 14 Orthodox generals of Croatian Army and quite a few soldiers.

                  On the side of WW2 victors, comrade Tito and his merry band of commie slaughterers would simply not succeed in creating second Yugoslavia if such impulses of wiping each other out were really so deeply routed.

                  Even 30 years ago, you still had quite a few Orthodox/Serbs who fought for Croatia, and fought bravely, and I salute them and their memory.

                • Kunning Drueger says:

                  I was going to respond with something similar to Upravda, but I’m glad he did because I don’t have much depth past a few books and anecdotes from professors. Just another reminder that whig history is fully corrupted, even the stuff that seems innocuous. IIRC the Balkans War in the 90s was very much based on enmity from the PWA, not deep seated historical hatreds. In this way, I think there’s a cautionary tale for us in the US. Very recent greed, envy, and hatred can easily be turned into “but it’s always been like that.” As the Boog gets hotter, wouldn’t be surprised to see lots of D&C ops against white males in the form of Irish v. Italian, kurwa v. gopnik, any kind of fault line that can be named and exaggerated.

                • Aidan says:

                  Upravda- You are right that ethnic hatreds in the Balkans are bullshit- I was friends with a small Balkan expat community in the US for a while, and they seemed to all get along- but reading history, I do notice a distinct incapacity for the states between Hungary and the Bosphorus to make common cause against the Turk in medieval times.

                  Many seemed to consider Ottoman rule to be preferable to making concessions to their neighbors, though some fault also lies with Hungary for playing them against one another. The problem with the Balkans is not that they were at each other’s throats, it is that they could not cooperate properly.

                  As a westerner, the eastern style of aristocracy and kingship seems to be a problem. From here, looks like the kings were too weak and the boyars too powerful; apt to rebel, betray, and depose their kings with seemingly little cause.

              • Upravda says:

                Lack of clear throne inheritance rules, together with powerful Constantinople-based bureaucracy, certainly did have a noticeable negative effect on Byzantine stability. However, Serbian Nemanjić dynasty did not suffer from that and neither did Hungary nor Croatia. I’m not certain about Bulgaria. Present-day Romanian lands were under rule of small boyars, I think.

                Serb trouble was that they achieved grandeur in very short time and there was no time for consolidation when king Dušan suddenly died when he was 46.

                On the other hand, Ottoman wars were not some quick business. After conquering Asia Minor, which took centuries, they started to build-up forces for more than another century: 1351 Gallipoli, 1371 southern Bulgaria, 1389 Kosovo, 1459 remnants of Serbia, 1463 Bosnia and only then with full force on Croatia, 1493, and Hungary, 1526. They had more than one century, and giant logistic apparatus, to build-up local Muslim communities that bore the brunt of warfare in Croatian Hundred Years War (1493 – 1593), and more than enough resources for main imperial armies to try to conquer Vienna and further.

                After 1493, war in Croatian land became pure attrition. On the end, in 1593, we (Christians) had simply killed more of them (Muslims) than they killed us. Their body count became greater then ours. And then warfare stopped for 90 years, after terrible casualties. After that, Ottomans still could raise main imperial armies for Vienna and such targets, and they tried in 1683, and were defeated – badly. However, they build strong enough local supporters that it wasn’t easy to simply kick them out to Asia Minor for good.

      • Aidan says:

        There was a lot of bashing farmers for “hoarding grain”, not selling at government controlled prices, in almost complete preview of the kulaks in Russia. Though, I am a bit foggy on the measures taken to compel farmers to grow more grain and send it to the cities.

    • Pooch says:

      Excellent post and really spot.

      I do believe we are witnessing a multi-generational holiness spiral as opposed to the intra-generational holiness spirals of the French and Russian revolutions. In France and Russia, we saw leftists racing to holiness spiral each other in the span of a single generation. The movement left from absolute monarchy to end-stage total state communism was fast and furious.

      Today, we see each generation of leftists holier than the last. It is a slow build due to the way Cathedral indoctrination works its way through the schools. Once a card carrying leftist graduates college they are set in their leftism, not likely to move much politically from there. Surely the genocidal leftism is coming but which generation will land on it? Millennials? Gen-Z?

      Additionally, regarding the point about China as potential foreign sponsor is valid. We are already seeing the CCP providing support to the ANC in South Africa who in return grants Chinese communists honorary-black status in bizarre fashion ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiaomei_Havard

      The CCP’s ideological roots derive from Harvard, and for that I do not trust them as far as I can throw them.

      • Pooch says:

        spot on*

      • Aidan says:

        As I’ve said before, America is a bit of a special case because it is an old theocracy undergoing a holiness spiral. The other countries that underwent revolutions were warrior-ruled, and priests grabbed power. Once the warriors lost memetic sovereignty, there was nothing stopping the priests from holiness spiraling against each other.

        “America is a communist country.” Because we are already a theocracy, there are old priests slowing the holiness spiral. Which is why China and the USSR, once stabilized from the holiness spiral, did not instantly go genocidal again. We’re watching the spiral to Robespierre occur in torturous slow motion. Historically, I cannot think of a theocracy being overthrown from within. Actually, there was one, the Restoration in England, but that was because the king was literally sitting on the other side of the channel, with a government ready to go. There was an alternative, as Moldbug would say.

        Most theocracies are simply destroyed by manly warrior barbarians from outside.

        • Fireball says:

          I dont see kerensky, lenin, robespierre or mao as warriors. My impressions is that at least in the 20th century revolts by the warrior class if successful end up very fast as orderly and relative calm states.

          • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

            They weren’t, they were priestly types rebelling against warriors.

          • Aidan says:

            Yes, you misread- the old order they were overthrowing was warrior-ruled, usually a couple of generations after the warrior-aristocracy was cucked.

            Those who halt holiness spirals from going too far left are usually warrior types. Napoleon, Caesar, Cromwell, Stalin.

            • jim says:

              Napoleon, Caesar, Cromwell, and Stalin were left warriors. Not seeing any left warriors today.

              Which leaves the door open for a right warrior, a Sulla, but we see them taking ever more extreme measures to protect against that possibility.

    • hullsum says:

      Yo Aiden–I appreciate your take. Do you have a blog?

      • Aidan says:

        I used to, but it was taken down after J6. Jim is hosting the pdf of my posts, it’s linked on the front page: “Setting the Record Straight”.

        I’ve noticed that even posting “J6” summons shills, so I propose I.VI or IVI to defeat their search algorithm.

        • The Cominator says:

          Wow is it a case of the morons believing their own propaganda or were they legitimately traumatized by the possibility that if Trump hadn’t been larping and fishing in the Rubicon he really could have taken over.

          • Pooch says:

            Massed flyover state peasants scare the fucking shit out of the ruling class to the point of unhinged derangement.

          • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

            The latter. The elite is incredibly disturbed by the possibility of an authentically elite cadre replacing them. The Amerikaner sentiment displayed on I.IV was of utter contempt for the ruling class, which is not great when they make up the majority of military and security services staff. Yes, they swung at the king and missed, but the fact that they would swing at all–or even think of swinging in the first place–showed how weak the Cathedral’s position is. They are priests; they are supposed to control the narrative. They realized how precarious their position is and, true to form, they are lashing out in their weakness.

            • The Cominator says:

              The problem was they didn’t swing…

            • Starman says:

              @Wulfgar Thundercock III

              “The elite is incredibly disturbed by the possibility of an authentically elite cadre replacing them. The Amerikaner sentiment displayed on I.IV was of utter contempt for the ruling class, which is not great when they make up the majority of military and security services staff.”

              The established USG elite fears the American natural elite because that is a threat within the GAE hegemony. (And as time goes on, the slim overlap between the ruling elite and the natural elite gets smaller and more elderly).

              Even Orange Reality Show Merchant spooked them, and he isn’t the most dangerous one.

          • jim says:

            I love your meme “Trump fishing in the Rubicon”

            Trump fishing in the Rubicon filled me with hope, and them with terror.

            • Pooch says:

              Trump fishing in the Rubicon is from Yarvin.

              • jim says:

                Lot of good stuff in Moldbug, though you have to read through a lot of wind.

                Lot of good stuff in Yarvin, but you have to read through a lot official lies that he intends you to detect and discard. Too much effort for me to detect and discard them.

              • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                Who himself in turn got it from Ernst von Salomon.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  Namely: “nothing is worse than the kind of German general who marches up to the Rubicon, then sits down to fish.”

          • The Original OC says:

            The reason they are traumatized by it is that they know that they would have done it, and they know that if Trump had done it he would have won; they also feel what they have to lose more deeply than their opponents, though in reality they have much less to lose.

            Sail on oh ship of state
            Sail on oh union strong and great
            Humanity with all its fears
            With all the hopes of future years
            Is hanging breathless on thy fate

    • Starman says:

      @Aidan

      “The young ones by a hatred of whitey. The hatred of whitey is sufficient for a genocide, but the competence of AOC and Omar scares me very little.”

      AOC and Omar are controlled opposition.

  9. European says:

    In Germany the new government said today they want to make the clot shot mandatory from the end of February.
    Any ideas what to do?

    • jim says:

      You will likely find that simply ignoring them is surprisingly easy. This is not the highly efficient and competent government of your fathers.

      • Karl says:

        Maybe. They are still rather efficient at collecting taxes and collecting fines is not that much different.

        I’ll wait until they have actually drafted a law, then I’ll look at the fines or punishments for not getting a clot shot and the exemptions (if any). Maybe the law will be competently drafted so that it is enforceable, maybe not.

        • Kunning Drueger says:

          Germany, like the US, is an elaborate structure of assumptions. The taxes are collected and fines levied under the assumption that the populace will obey, and the populace pays under the assumption that a coherent and dangerous apparatus will make them suffer if they don’t. Normalcy bias on both sides. Whichever side first realizes that it is a sham based on perception will have first mover advantage, but both will have some massive assumptions to ignore.

          • Karl says:

            Sure there are lot’s of assumptions, but the assumption that taxes have to be paid is tested regularely by many people.

            I’m not arguing that tax evasion isn’t possible, but a lot of people are constantly testing the limits of what is possible. I am very confident that word would go around very quickly, if the limits of what is practically possible would suddenly shift significantly.

            Similar with fines. If you have property that can be confiscated, it will be confiscated to pay your fines. Complicance to pay fines is not required.

            • jim says:

              > the assumption that taxes have to be paid is tested regularely by many people.

              And lots of people get away with no end of stuff.

              The build it back better plan is based on the plausible assumption that if everyone paid taxes who should, they would get one hell of a lot more money, and the entirely implausible assumption that various stupid enforcement measures administered by stupid people will result in more people paying taxes.

              • Karl says:

                Of course, and every day even bigger lots of people get away with no end of stuff.

                My point is merely that people by and large only pay taxes to the extent that they really have to and are often testing what they can get away with.

                Tax paying is one of the areas where far fewer incorrect assumptions prevail than almost anywhere else.

                Kunning Drueger has a point about wide spread delusions (i.e. incorrect assumptions), but such delusions are much more significant in other legal areas. People could get a way with a lot more violent crimes, theft, robbery, etc., but are -in my opinion- operating mostly close to the limit of their possibilities regarding tax payments.

                • HerbR says:

                  I think you both overestimate and underestimate noncompliance with tax laws.

                  You underestimate, because the laws are so complicated and self-contradictory that practically everyone is breaking several laws every time they file their returns.

                  And you overestimate, because most of those people could be getting away with breaking a lot more. Certainly you’ll hear about nightmare audits and widely-publicized cases of tax fraud, but those almost invariably fall into one of two categories, with significant overlap: enemies of the state, and fraud that is simply too egregious to ignore.

                  As I said, these overlap, so someone who is a friend of the state (like Soros) can get away with quite an egregious amount of money laundering and fraud, whereas if you are being a pain in the ass, like Martha Stewart or Al Capone, you can be charged for a tiny fraction of that. But it is always some combination of the two. Walter Anderson had to rack up $200 million before the feds really came after him, and that’s just the official story – there’s probably more that they never found out about.

                  By and large, people don’t test the tax laws at all, they are conservative and “pay what they owe” because they have no idea what they can actually get away with, because nobody knows that and it can change from one day to the next. It’s called “random reinforcement” or “intermittent reinforcement” – look it up.

                  Anyway, tax-collection systems have been in place for hundreds of years. The idea that the government could put in place totally new compliance systems, tomorrow, with even the same limited effectiveness, is nonsense. The way it will actually work is that they will simply assume compliance from equally incompetent people down the chain – like the stupid emails I keep getting saying I need to report my vaccination status because of Biden’s now-unenforceable executive order (overturned in court a few weeks ago). Will they fire me / cancel my contract anyway? Maybe, but unlikely, and I certainly don’t expect a dawn raid by the CDC.

        • Doom says:

          They can fine you, but surely Germany is no different to other countries where, if you cry poor, you can pay it off? 1 Euro per week is the max you can afford.

          • Karl says:

            Absolutely, it is no problem at all if you cannot pay a fine. Recuring fines for not complying with a vax mandate merely mean that you lose all property that can be confiscated.

            • Upravda says:

              If you have kids, how feasible in Deutschland would be the strategy of giving them all of your real estate now, and (of course) remaining their legal guardians ’till their adulthood?

              In that way, government could not confiscate much from you…?

              • Karl says:

                Might work, unless the kids are also mandated to get the clot shot.

                • Karl says:

                  On second thought; it might work, even if the kids are mandated to get the clot shot

                • Upravda says:

                  Glad to be of assistance. 😉 In addition to moving to Bosnia and Herzegovina, I also considered that possibility of inheritance to make my kids rich inheritors right now. 😉

                  There are covid Ausweisen for public institutions and state-owned companies, however testing is cheap or even free, widely available (on more than 6000 places in the country of about 4 million) and fast, usually done within 15 minutes. Ruling politicians are still saying “no vaccine mandate, really”, we all are still waiting for a few courts decisions, there is mild offensive against covid worshiping from a few purple-pilled opposition parties and some… well… Christians. There’s also a noticable fall in covid-related (or “related”) hospitalizations in recent two weeks, and rise of vaccinated in those hospitalized cases, now more than 30 percent.

                  And partially thanks to this blog, today, for a first time I seriously delved into all that cryptocurrency stuff. One must think not just on Immobilien but also on moving stuff. My greatest surprise is that here and there you can actually buy physical stuff with crypto, even in a few shops in Croatia (with bitcoin or ethereum).

                  So, my dear commenters, bitcoin or ethereum?

                • jim says:

                  Ethereum had a substantial technological lead over Bitcoin, due to stronger governance. Which technological lead Taproot has made a good start on jumping over.

                  Unfortunately that governance is totally and completely in the hands of our enemies, and that governance is so strong and so centralized that by some standards Ethereum does not qualify as a genuine crypto currency, but a bank. Everyone on our side is using bitcoin.

                  The lightning network plus taproot now gives Bitcoin a substantial technological lead over Ethereum, plus it has the first mover advantage and greater network share.

                  There are some serious problems with the lightning network as presently implemented, but no crypto currency can succeed in the long run unless it has a lightning network, because a lightning network, correctly implemented, has huge advantages.

                  El Salvador went bitcoin primarily on, and by, the lightning network.

                  In a little while, all surviving crypto currencies will have a lightning network that interoperates with the bitcoin lightning network, allowing atomic exchanges of crypto currencies without going through a centralized exchange, and Ethereum will likely refuse to come along, because it will view the lightning work as a way of escaping Cathedral control of financial transactions.

                  If it does not come along it will die, or live on covert artificial life support from the Cathedral.

                  The killer with Ethereum is that their governance is so dangerously powerful that it can, and sometimes has, rewritten the past.

                  Crypto currencies generally have weak and inadequate governance, because their design is strongly influenced by anarcho agorism, which denies the need for governance – and those crypto currencies with strong governance are apt to be governed by scammers. A good crypto currency needs strong governance, but if that governance is so strong that it can rewrite the past, it is not a crypto currency, but a bank.

                  In the not very distant future, when a crypto currency replaces the dollar as the world money, we will need both soft and hard money, soft money being subject to governance that can undo improper transactions. But that soft money must be based on hard money, money that can do transactions that are swift, irreversible, and final, that no one can undo, however much they may deplore them.

                • Pooch says:

                  Jim recommends BTC.

                • Virtus says:

                  @jim

                  By lightning network what specific properties are you getting at? I am guessing you mean some combination payment channels and `scriptless scripts`? Or something close to that?

                  Ethereum has people building full zk-SNARK and -STARK virtual machines right now (zksync and Starkware). How do you suppose these will be corrupted? I am, as always, most bullish on Polkadot and Parity, as they are building a toolkit that can resist regulators and hostile internet conditions. I expect all advances in Eth space to gracefully transfer over to the EVM chains in Polkadot, at the least. Ideally there will be more general zk-S(N/T)ARK virtual machine systems we can plug into a large variety of state machines.

                  Bitcoin is great, the physical infrastructure alone is inspiring. I do expect it to be used in payment channels and then wrapped and actually put to use on a collective cryptographic ledger with more appropriate properties. Probably wrapped and put to use in eventual hundreds and thousands of cryptographic ledgers. I don’t expect the use case to remain raw lightning network for any decent length of time.

                • jim says:

                  Full Zk-Stark would be a crypto currency where only the signatures and hashes of cryptocoins, unspent transaction outputs, were visible on the blockchain. The value of the cryptocoin and the transaction that created it being only known to the the parties to the transaction who alone know the preimage of the hash, and thus the hashes and values of all inputs to the transaction.

                  That would be totally great, a huge leap forward in technology, since it solves the problem of an ever growing block chain history, solves the problem of full peer wallets scamming client wallets, and also would make crypto currency totally private and anonymous.

                  I have not looked at what Ethereum is doing with Zk-Snarks and Zk-Starks, because, knowing the government of Ethereum, I assume it is like the wings on the space shuttle and the use of m-rna technology in the vaccine, inappropriate use of high technology for decorative and magical effect, rather than useful effect, for to use Zk-Snarks in a fashion that was actually useful would also have the effect of creating a true strong privacy currency with an absolutely immutable history, to which I am fairly sure that the government of Ethereum is strongly allergic.

                  But perhaps I am overly cynical.

                • Upravda says:

                  @Jim
                  > The killer with Ethereum is that their governance is so dangerously powerful that it can, and sometimes has, rewritten the past.

                  What do you mean by “rewriting the past”? Altering records in general ledger block-chain? If so, and if my understanding of cryptocurrencies is correct, that would mean potentially altering the amount of ethereum someone has, since that amount is, if I understood correctly, calculated from transactions.

                • jim says:

                  I am unfamiliar as to how they accomplished the effect, but the effect was to punish those they deemed evil. I really did not pay that much attention since I distrusted Ethereum from the beginning.

                • C4ssidy says:

                  @Upravda

                  Ethereum Classic maintains the original, unaltered history of the Ethereum network.[2] The Ethereum project’s mainnet initially released via Frontier on 30 July 2015. However, due to a hack of a third-party project, the Ethereum Foundation created a new version of the Ethereum mainnet on 20 July 2016 with an irregular state change implemented that erased The DAO theft from the Ethereum blockchain history.[2] The Ethereum Foundation applied their trademark to the new, altered version of the Ethereum blockchain; Ethereum (code: ETH).[2] The older, unaltered version of Ethereum was renamed and continued on as Ethereum Classic (code: ETC).[2]

                • jim says:

                  Thanks.

                  Not as evil as I thought.

                  But as incompetent. My eyes glazed over, and I assumed the worst – bad enough, but less bad than I assumed.

                • Neurotoxin says:

                  Vinay Gupta, who was on the Ethereum Project in its early days, called Gab a bunch of “neonazis” and said,

                  “They’re free speech fundamentalists I believe. But not Ethereum. We are all commnuists.”

                  And,
                  “if we were faced with a large scale neonazi colonization of Ethereum, we’d figure out how to **** them hard for getting in our ****.”

                  http://www.trustnodes.com/2017/11/15/uproar-ethereums-vinay-gupta-threatens-censor-twitter-clone-gab-calls-nazis-comes-communist

    • Ghost says:

      Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. –Luke 22:36

      Germans used to be known for making fine swords. Don’t let them take you alive.

    • p says:

      Wait until they make it mandatory, then take the Janssen single dose.

      • Karl says:

        No, thank you. I enjoy living. Will not take Janssen or any other clot shot.

        There will be healthier possibilities, even when the clot shot is mandated.

        • p says:

          In Germany? I doubt it, although who knows.

          I suppose you could go to an EU country that is very much not Germany, then “take” the Janssen single dose there. It’s not clear for how long this will be an option, though. The screws are getting tightened everywhere.

        • Upravda says:

          I’m against using leftist vocabulary for sane causes because it, as a rule, does not work at best, and actively promotes enemy viewpoint at worst. E.g. “hate speech”.

          However, for you in Deutschland, recently under rule of green-red coalition again…

          …and, as one of your Kanzlern said, greenies are like tomatoes, when they ripe, turn to red…

          …could it be possibly succesfull to scream “NAAAZIIIS! MEDICAL EXPERIMENTS! MENGELE!” in order to get rid of any such mandate? My impression is that your lefties are especially… sensible to such screaming.

    • Varna says:

      Austria is planning fines and jail time for non-compliance.
      https://www.rt.com/news/541687-austria-vaccination-resist-fine-bill/

      Greece–just fines for now.
      https://news.yahoo.com/greece-impose-monthly-114-fine-152521824.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

      Just half a year ago only Turkmenistan and Tajikistan had mandatory vaccinations. Amazing how the free world caught up with these bastions of liberty and efficiency.

      And the only free place in Europe is suddenly Belarus.

      I am not happy with all of this, and would like my money back.

      • European says:

        Corona worship has escalated very quickly here. And there is not much opposition.

        Thats why I’m thinking about the options.

        Should you try and leave for a freer country while the boarders are still open?

        • Varna says:

          The only northern hemisphere places without mandatory vax explicitly on the horizon either EA places like Japan and China, who utterly hate the idea of letting in foreigners and are now using the pandemic hysteria to finally enforce this on the sly, and where one will never feel welcome outside at best a circle of family members and close friends, and Belarus, which is a one-man show and the one man is approaching 70.

          Although one could make the case that Lukashenko can outlast the great reset if the thing starts collapsing within the next 1-2 years.

          For an anglospherical, the best bet would be finding a deeply red state in the USA and join the local anti-globohomo community. For the continental European–maybe go chill in Belarus for a while, as it is a very affordable place, and see what develops. Demographically it’s Russia without darkies and asiatics and megacorps. I.e. the imaginary “based russia” some fantasize about.

          • European says:

            All other countries in Europe have vax mandates on the horizon?

          • The Trumpenator says:

            I agree with your analysis, Belarus or a deep red US state. Do you know much about getting/the easiest way to get a long term visa in Belarus? Not from a Slavic nation which I believe makes things marginally harder. I am worried that I may easily be able to get a 30 or 90 day visa, but a multi year visa is much harder.

        • Ghost says:

          These are your options: fight, flight, or surrender.

          The reason why all of us are in this fix is people gave into fear. Then they gave into intimidation. Next comes force.

          If you surrender, you will be vaxxed and suffer the side effects to your health and dignity. They may let you live for a time provided you continue to surrender. But, we know these shots can kill.

          If you flee, you will feel like a coward. They will eventually run you to ground. You will once again face the same choice.

          If you stand your ground and fight, you may take out some of these motherfuckers. And, may save the lives of others. At any rate, they will fear us and you will die like a man. A German.

          • Karl says:

            There is a fourth option: deception

            If there is vaxx mandate, forge a vaxx certifacte or bribe someone to give you a real certifacte of vaccination without giving you the clot shot. If recovery from covid gives a 6 months exemption from the vax mandate, take a PCR test every 6 months and make sure that covid-19 virus is present in the snot in your nose.

            When someone requests compliance, faking compliance is an option.

            Deception is not a valid long term strategy, but I do not think a long term solution is needed. I expect the governments ability to enforce its will to decline rapidly in the next few years

            • Upravda says:

              Germany was the model or Ordnung, Gesetz und Wohlstand among my people since at least sixties. When comrade Tito decided it was better for him that his subjects are Gastarbeitern rather than unemployed troublemakers at 127.0.0.1, a lot of my compatriots took the chance and earned die Pension in your country. Many are still earning it.

              Before that time, my father was told by his university lecturers that, at Stunde Null, some of them were sent under death threat by comrades to acquire blueprints for some advanced machinery needed in building socialism. And they went, and came back, trading food and dollars for those blueprints that subsequently were so improved that even their original authors wouldn’t recognize them.

              When you say “…expect the governments ability to enforce its will to decline rapidly…” are you telling me that there is no more Ordnung, Gesetz und Wohlstand in Germany? If so, what about blueprints?

              • Karl says:

                There is still some Ordnung, lots of Gesetz (some of it is even enforced) and a little bit of Wohlstand in Germany. If there were no order and no enforcement of laws there were no need for deception.

                What I am seeing is that the quality of laws is declining. A poorly written law is hard to enforce. How can anyone comply if even a judge is not sure what the law means.

                An example is that until recently forgery of vaxx passes was not punishable. The government want to make it a crime, but the clause stating the punishment was a pointer to some other clause which mentioned only phsicians and such. So forgery was only a crime if a physician would do it.

                Now the government amended the law so that forgery is a punishable crime, but they have not yet addressed the problem that forgery of the vaxx passes is very easy.

                Local admistration is working poorly. It is getting difficult to change your address. There is a law that anyone has to have a current address registered which is on your ID card, but many local governments no longer cope. That is only in part because corona regulations make it very difficult to just get an appointment with any official.

                Any German city has growing areas where the police does not want to go and where the law is not enforced or only very selectively. Berlin is just the tip of an iceberg

                Not sure what you mean with blueprints

        • Pooch says:

          Does not hurt to start inquiring about residency in other countries, temporary or otherwise.

      • Gauntlet says:

        Inflation will make the €3600 fines obsolete in the not too distant future. What is missing from these discussions about vaxx-mandates, is the assumption of elite cohesion* and true believers in the covid demon. I have seen with my own eyes shop keepers and the like melt away when you invoke God as a reason for non-compliance to mask mandates. I will follow the same strategy with QR codes, if they appear in my country.

        *This blog is the only place elite cohesion is actually being discussed.

        The implication of these mandates is complete breakdown of society as we know it. It will hasten the fall to third world conditions. An example of this that I see around me after the “new variant” came along, is the normies losing all hope. They were all promised light at the end of the tunnel, back to normal. Now some are realizing we will never go back to normal, even with boosters and QR code’s. The air is full of uncertainty and fear, I can feel it when walking around in the cities.

        • jim says:

          > I have seen with my own eyes shop keepers and the like melt away when you invoke God as a reason for non-compliance to mask mandates.

          The effect of the name of the Lord on people who have rationalizations that supposedly prove that they are merely metaphorical demon worshipers is strangely similar to the effect on literal demon worshipers.

  10. Cat says:

    Eric Zemmour presidential announcement video: https://youtu.be/k8IGBDK1BH8

    Watch with auto generated subtitles to English if you don’t speak French, to get the gist of it.

    Very well done video, and a good thing to get the Great Replacement inside the Overton window. Thoughts? Is it ultimately hopeless since France isn’t the US and doesn’t call it’s own shots anyway?

    • The Bidenator says:

      Based.

    • Pooch says:

      Incredibly based, especially considering it’s coming from an Algerian Jew.

      Not ultimately hopeless but France regaining their sovereignty would require exiting the EU and ramping up their military to counter the threat of USM violence.

      • Pooch says:

        On a side note, I find it interesting that the most based politicians of the West aren’t even ethnically part of their historical nations. Trump comes from American-assimilated German stock and likewise Zemmour being an Algerian Jew. It’s a sad state that one can’t even find an actual Anglo or true Frenchmen willing to fight for their own respective cultures in the same way. Late Roman Empire vibes.

    • Arqiduka says:

      Zemmour is a very obvious gatekeeper and spoiler who’ll go as far right as he needs to to divert votes from whoever FN will field. I don’t think many in France will fall for this, one Macron was enough.

      • Anonymous BTC boy says:

        Probably lul.
        But if he’s a smart and competent enough guy, he’ll slip his leash.

      • p says:

        FN? Is that still considered not a total joke? For an outsider it seems that half of France is to the right of Marine Le Pen at this point, probably including Macron.

        Rumor has it that even Jean-Marie Le Pen prefers Zemmour over FN, although of course that rumor could be part of that same op.

        • jim says:

          Zemmour looks remarkably evil. Pretty sure, just looking at his face, that he is a Cathedral plant posing as a right winger.

          From experience, I know I am reasonably good at reading faces, and the longer a man has been evil, the more it shows in his face. He is an evil man who has been doing evil things for a long time.

          • Tityrus says:

            He’s just French, they all look like that.

          • The Cominator says:

            Is it possible that he is both evil and genuinely hates our enemies?

            If so might be what we need… our side needs to be MUCH MUCH MUCH more ruthless.

          • p says:

            The system hates him and he’s being tried for hate speech every two years, so there’s that.

            He’s not some McMullin or Buttigieg that appeared out of nowhere, been around for a long time, so even though I haven’t been following, I assume the French public knows what he is about.

            Plus, his speech video is outstandingly well done.

      • The Cominator says:

        BAP backs Zammour so I assume Zammour > FN.

        • Arqiduka says:

          Wasn’t aware, I give him the benefit of the doubt on that basis.

          Feels off to me though. Not saying all jews are like that, especially not all sephardis, but boy is that hoop a mighty one to jump over.

  11. The Ducking Man says:

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/IaURlSbtWD0V/

    New finding by Dr Andreas Noack from Germany confirming the existence of Graphene Oxide on certain covid vaxxine. Dude was raided by police few days after the video and deceased during the raid.

    Graphene Oxide which he described as “carbon razor blade” literally made people bleeding internally. For him, this finding explains why adverse effects caused by the vaxxine.

    I doubt his finding will change anything because not much of people understand cutting edge tech like these. Heck, even Dr Andreas himself don’t understand why the graphene are present in jab.

    • The Cominator says:

      The cops killed him during the raid?

    • Red says:

      Smells like bullshit. People would just bleed out.

      • jim says:

        No they would not. Micro sized graphene will cause micro damage – which is what we are seeing, though I think the damage is adequately explained by the known cytotoxicity of the spike protein.

        • Red says:

          There’s another elephant in the room: Not injecting the vaxx into a vein. Only Japan and Korea are checking to see if they hit a vein before finishing the injection and neither are reporting large scale problems with the so called covid vaccines. The damaged from these injections would be far more limited if they didn’t hit the blood stream, but there’s no way to train the room temperature IQ monkeys that pass for medical workers in the west to do that.

          • The Ducking Man says:

            Which is exactly what Dr Andreas said around 6 minutes mark in the video.

            The covid vaxxine is russian roulette in which if you are out of luck the graphene will slash your vein and made immediate collapse.

            This also explains the collapse of athlete after the jab who have higher blood circulation than regular people. More blood circulation = more internal bleed.

            For him, the bruises apparent on some people after jab are caused by micro sized internal bleeding.

            Reminder that Dr Andreas is engineer by trade, so take his diagnosis with grain of salt.

          • yewotm8 says:

            Aspiration to make sure there’s no blood in the needle and that the injection is in fact intramuscular rather than intravenous has been common among steroid users since injecting yourself with testosterone was a thing, at least 30 or 40 years ago (before that they used mostly oral dianabol). If they are not trained to do it, it’s not because they wouldn’t be able to, it’s deliberate harm.

  12. The Cominator says:

    Trying to rev up the Metoo holiness spiral again?

    https://nypost.com/2021/11/29/bill-cosby-prosecutors-take-case-to-us-high-court/

  13. Pooch says:

    Regarding the new fake and gay variant, high priest Fauci has spoken:

    “The preparation that we have ongoing for … the Delta variant just needs to be revved up … by getting more and more people vaccinated, and getting the fully vaccinated boosted.”

    They are sensing no one is buying into their endless booster campaign so creating a new “crisis” that strangely the only way to solve is more boosters, faster.

    https://www.axios.com/fauci-more-info-needed-omicron-ba564941-55be-4ccd-895e-98351cddfaf2.html

    • Fireball says:

      Dont forget more lookdowns, cant let the economy work or how will people starve?

    • Karl says:

      It is difficult to argue at the same time that, on the one hand, the vaccines are so good that everybody has to get the clot shot and, on the other hand, that the vaccines are so bad that everybody needs a booster every 6 months. Now we see the solution to this propaganda problem.

      They’ll tell everybody that omicron is such a new varaiant that nobody could expect the vaccines to work against it. So they’ll now roll booster and new vaccine against omicron into a single new product, the improved clot shot for everyone.

      Omicron is there to protect the narrative of needed vaccination.

      The adaptions and amendments of the existing clot shot will be made and approved in record time.

      • Pooch says:

        Exactly right.

      • notglowing says:

        >It is difficult to argue at the same time that, on the one hand, the vaccines are so good that everybody has to get the clot shot and, on the other hand, that the vaccines are so bad that everybody needs a booster every 6 months

        It’s not really a problem. I have seen them admit that the efficacy wanes after a while. And people believe it, because it’s true.

        If the vaccines are harmless, then it’s completely logical to just vaccinate again every few months. And the people who did it once will do it twice, three times, etc. I know people who already took the booster even though it’s not mandatory.

        No one even remembers that they used to pretend the vaccines would simply end the pandemic.
        I don’t see an issue for them, some people will probably be upset over having to keep doing this, and might oppose the vaccine, but if they’ve accepted it once their resistance will be weaker.

        I am becoming pessimistic over this. However, I don’t have any reason to be afraid for the near future, since my “vaccine” will at the minimum cover me for another few months, until after winter. And it seems I might at least get one “booster” before that.
        Still, the outlook is bleak. But any dose you can avoid is a victory in itself.

        On a positive note, it feels like there is less pressure now than there was in september. Of course, the vast majority of people are vaccinated now, but it feels like the push from regular people is less strong, and they care less than they did before.
        On the other hand though, it also seems like this is just gonna be accepted routine now. Getting vaccinated all the time.

    • notglowing says:

      Australia is saying they want boosters every 2 months, since they admit immunity wanes after 3 months.
      They already said every 6 months before. Now it’s every 2. It’s even beyond what people were joking about previously.
      At this point it’s just funny. But also sad.

      I guess this is how they’re gonna solve the problem of fake covid certificates. It’s just gonna be too difficult since you’ll need a new one every day.

      • Arqiduka says:

        Huh! I missed the 2 months bit, and this is quite worrying. Is this just an idea being thrown around?

      • Neurotoxin says:

        “Australia is saying they want boosters every 2 months, since they admit immunity wanes after 3 months.”

        Back when the official period was 8 months I made the following argument to a liberal acquaintance:

        The only reason you’d need a booster after 8 months is that you went 8 months without your body encountering the virus. If that’s true then the pandemic is over. OTOH, if the pandemic is still raging, then you can’t go 8 months without encountering the virus, so boosters are unnecessary.

        He simply refused to understand me. He kept making tangential responses like, “Yeah, it’s weird how some people are scared of the vaccine.” I tried a couple of times then let it drop. I have encountered leftists who simply lie their asses off many a time, but this was my first encounter with a simple brick wall of “I refuse to understand you.”

        • Doom says:

          Same thing with
          >Get the vaccine to protect the vulnerable
          and
          >You can still catch it and you’re more likely to be asymptomatic

          Where, pray, lies this protection? No one gets it.

          • Karl says:

            Oh, this protection is protection from fines only.

            100% effective – no fines for not being vaxxed if you are vaxxed

  14. SorosShill says:

    I’m here for the shill test. Ask me anything.

    • jim says:

      How do we say Soros made his money?

      What is his job, in the sense that who is it with the power to steer money to Soros who directly benefits from steering money to Soros? What is that direct benefit?

      What is our story about Soros?

      Saying “Yes I agree with your story about Soros” is a fail. What is our story?

      Saying “your story is wrong, and here it is why it is wrong. You say X, but Y is evidence against X, and Z is a better explanation of the evidence for X”, is a pass, because in that reply you state X explicitly at least once, and implicitly or explicitly at least three times.

      The pattern that I see in interaction with shills indicates that they are allowed to be exposed to thought crimes, but the supervisors reading their output must be protected against thought crimes.

      • SorosShill says:

        I’m glad you asked. Soros gets his money directly from the US Government. And by that I mean straight from the Federal Reserve Bank. Which is about as federal as Federal Express. He then used that money to fund CIA projects throughout the world. Politicians then receive kickbacks on the backend.

        • jim says:

          Fail.

          What is our story?

          Your story is similar in substance to our story – except it is flat wrong and untrue and not our story.

          The muppets that he funds have names – and while they may well be CIA, a more obvious hand is directly animating the muppet. (And probably that more obvious hand is writing your script and appointing your supervisor.) Perhaps the CIA is managing that more obvious hand from the shadows, but the obvious hand provides sufficient explanation and is sufficiently villainous. Perhaps those people are secretly CIA, but who they publicly are is damning enough and provides sufficient explanation of what is going on.

          Nor does he get money “direct from the federal reserve” (well he does now in a sense, but that is not how he is became wealthy) There is some elaborate government laundering before it gets into the Soros account, and then some of it goes back into the muppet account. I describe that laundering. What is my description?

          And in fact no one gets money “directly from the federal reserve” – there is always an elaborate game of three card monte, albeit lately it is has been getting a lot more direct.

          The nearest thing to direct funding, which happens a lot these days, but used to be more elaborately covered, is that people sell debt of dubious value in the open market to nominally private buyers in quasi statal but not direct state employment who buy it knowing that they can, and probably will, resell it to the federal reserve. But the worthless debt that passed through Soros’ hands used to be far more elaborately covered, and as far as I know still is.

        • SorosShill says:

          Soros first got rich back in the days of government fixed currency exchange rates. These rates had to be changed from time to time, because of different rates of (usually unacknowledged) inflation, and Soros had a strange ability to know the exact time of such changes, indicative of inside information.

          When fixed exchange rates went away, so did his strange ability to predict exchange rate changes, and instead a different mechanism was applied to channel government funds to him. Instead he would buy up worthless third world debt, and the World Bank, aka the US taxpayer, would make the debt worth something.

          So why this strange generosity to Soros by the US state department?

          Soros is a laundry for US government money. They funnel money to him, and he funnels money to ngos that carry out US government policy in foreign lands. Ngo stands for “non governmental organization”, but ngo employees supposedly funded by Soros tend to think of themselves and call themselves government employees. They are on a revolving door between official government employment and unofficial government employment, and often continue to work at the same desk in the same office regardless of who their salary is billed to. The laundry exists on the paper trail, but frequently fails to exist at the level of where one’s desk is located, the staff that clean the office, and the information technology department that provides the computer and installs software on it. Much like the FBI and “Criminal Informants”.

          • jim says:

            Pass

            If I see shill scripts, I will ask for the women question test, but it sure does not look like you are a Soros shill – you might be some other kind of shill, but you are no longer on moderation.

            Your comments will appear immediately, and unless extraordinarily egregious, will suffer no mutilation. Blatant scripting might eventually result in you being asked for another shill test, and failure to respond would then result in you being put on moderation, but you will not suffer moderation until asked for shill test, and giving an unresponsive response.

            If a comment does not appear immediately, you probably accidentally or deliberately changed your email address, which I hope is entirely fake – though I do my best to protect the email addresses of commentators.

            Every time a new email address appears, it goes into moderation. The spam filter silently suppresses most of the stuff that it thinks is blatant spam, and I never get to see it unless I explicitly check to see if the spam filter has gone rogue, which I seldom do. But anything with a new email address that passes the spam filter goes into moderation and then into my todo list, and I then approve it and the commentator, or delete it, or flag it as spam for the spam filter to learn from.

            There is some blatant stuff that spam filter just never seems to learn. Better spam filtering is one of the things on my long, long to do list, but it is near the bottom, while a crypto wallet and currency that enables better cooperation and coordination over the network is near the top, and I have a lot more work to do on that.

            • Karl says:

              It is very unusual that anyone who takes a test asks a rhetorical question. It is not at all unusual for anyone who explains something to an audience.

              Copying in an open book test is legitimate, but I’d draw a line at coying several paragraphs verbatim from the open book, including rhetorical questions that are not part of the answer the test is asking for.

              If some does that, I doubt the paragraphs were read. If the test does not prove that the relevant paragraphs were read, I doubt that the shill test still works.

              If the text is long enough (and the shill’s handler dumb or lazy enough), quoting long text and marking them in a report as “verbatim quote to pass test” might even get past HR.

              • jim says:

                We shall see.

                Perhaps something has changed in shill land. Perhaps a new and different shill team has appeared. Perhaps he is not a shill.

                We shall learn something. If a shill, we shall learn to recognize a new script.

                • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

                  Indeed. We added the Demon Worshipper test after an influx of, “Hail, fellow Christian,” and it was pointed out that they were strangely reluctant to speak the name of Jesus Christ. The Soros Test was added because of, “Hail, fellow anti-semites.” Shill hunting is an evolutionary process. We adapt to new shills, and new scripts.

                • SorosShill says:

                  Suggest a vaccine shill test.

                • Aidan says:

                  “Hi, I’m explicitly here for the shill test” looks to me like somebody is trying to learn how to pass without pissing off HR.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  >“Hi, I’m explicitly here for the shill test” looks to me like somebody is trying to learn how to pass without pissing off HR.

                  Funny, i was thinking the same thing.

                • someDude says:

                  @Aidan,

                  Why would a shill take the initiative to learn how to pass a shill test? Why would he risk pissing off HR in the process? What’s the incentive? Why not just keep posting according to script, take the pay and go home? A shill, by definition does not care about any cause. Just his own comfort.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  There are more shills under heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

              • SorosShill says:

                Seriously, the Spike-Shot is holy ground now for anyone in gov or NGO. A sure way to weed out any shill. Even an MD can’t question it.

                Go ahead, ask me the WQ.

          • jim says:

            By revolving door, I mean that someone puts on his criminal informant hat to do something that would be illegal or improper for a member of the FBI to do, and then puts on his FBI hat to do something that a criminal informant lacks legal authority to do. Similarly, employees of the state department put on their open society hats when operating in a foreign country to carry out unofficial and unacknowledged state department policy, and then put on their state department hats to carry out official and acknowledged state department policy. Often without changing their desks. They don’t literally go through a door, just grab the letterhead paper from a different pile.

            Same desk, same salary, different entry in accounting as to who is paying the salary.

    • SorosShill says:

      Besides bitcoin, what are the top ten ways to best store wealth in order?

      • jim says:

        Prediction is difficult, especially about the future. I have been wrong before, many times, so I diversify. From time to time I move money around. For a while I was selling land where safety was deteriorating, and buying land where safety was pretty good. I am now inclined to doubt it is pretty good anywhere. In the not very distant future I will likely only own one land and one house, (Possibly I will retain one additional tiny house and land to have two properties in two countries that will likely have very different futures when the $#!% hits the fan, the little house being a bolthole for the main house.) Similarly, shares in well run corporations. Are there any well run corporations around these days? A few, but they are going to cease to be well run, hence my regular bitter rants and outrage about Human Resources, Accounting, and the Legal Department.

        I used to own gold, still have a little. Very little.

        Crypto currency is coming under attack – not in the form of flat out India style bans, which everyone was expecting, but by the Cathedral’s preferred path of assimilating enemy institutions. The surviving crypto currencies will possess memetic sovereignty, and memetic sovereignty is every where under attack. But taproot is a counterattack that succeeded by being beyond the comprehension of Shaniqua, hence my recent move back into bitcoin. Still worried about the vitally needed, but still seriously broken, Lightning Network. It may be enemy occupied territory – hell it is enemy occupied territory, but recoverable because Shaniqua is far out of her depth.

        • SorosShill says:

          Having one house and some land in a red state I can agree with. Currently I have property on the edge of a small town and another overseas through my wife that I can go to.

          Gold will probably always have value.

          I can’t talk on bitcoin and the stock market. Don’t have inside information so too risky. It’s in a massive bubble now and I’ve seen many loose it.

          • jim says:

            > It’s in a massive bubble now

            No it is not. Fiat is in a massive bubble now. Everything else is worth more. Treat fiat like it is radioactive.

            When someone says “X is in a bubble” he is saying “Don’t worry about fiat, it is going to come roaring back. It is just suffering a purely temporary dip because crazy people are hoarding toilet paper for no sane reason.”

            When fiat dips, it is never temporary.

            It is not that X is in a bubble, it is that the fiat price of X is headed towards reality, but is still a long, long way from reality.

            Prices of assets are starting to indicate that a significant number of wealthy investors are preparing for a long night of chaos. I am not a lone voice in the wilderness. If you think X is in a bubble, that is likely an indicator that a lot of rich people think that it is going to be good against the coming night.

            You have to get into other stores of value, and the question is which one. I have been watching land, and land that is not defensible and embedded in a social network is not worth having. It will just get you killed. The two properties I am likely to retain are semi rural and embedded in a social network, to which I have some connection. Stocks are still worth having, but you have to expect any management embedded in the US hegemony is going to be overrun by priests who are going to destroy the value of the corporation. Notice that the one business that is still capable of building modern type ICs in the US is owned from Dubai, which has a live state religion and an army loyal to their leader and to his religion.

  15. Mike in Boston says:

    OT: both Putin and Orbán seem to be going full-on totalitarian with vaxx passports, although at least Russia, possibly Hungary too, envisions an exemption for natural immunity.

    This is not how I predicted things would go.

    • jim says:

      I am shocked, surprised, and disappointed.

      But at least they have enough respect for real science to acknowledge natural immunity.

      • Tityrus says:

        Seems like Putin and Orban actually unironically fell for “the science” (scientific fraud).

        Does this mean we should update our priors about the strength of their state religions vs the Cathedral? If they’ve capitulated to Western “intellectual” “consensus” on Covid they might do so on other things.

        • Arqiduka says:

          AFAIK Orban has no de facto religion backing him and his. Its a movement based on willpower, contrasting the recent abuses of the left and good economic management. It was always doomed in the long run.

          • The Cominator says:

            This comes down to personal failings, how is it that Bolsonarno is the only one who didn’t fall for this OBVIOUS bullshit.

            • Fireball says:

              Bolsonaro is insane enough to try to do something with Brasil and if he has gone with the obvious bullshit he would be dead and probably his family too. He can not retreat and he knows it.

              My opinion of course.

              • The Cominator says:

                He came VERY close to being murdered on the eve of his presidential election. Much can be made of a mixed country (with a white or asian elite) that is well led.

                But if the country is all Catholic this can’t be done, Catholicism is one step above Islam as a religion (and in the Vatican they worship things they at least believe are literal demons). The Puritans were wrong about many things but they were dead right about their view of Roman Catholicism. Catholicism at best leads to too much corruption throw in a mixed country and this ruins it. Bolsonaro among other things represents massive bloc voting of Brazil’s Protestants for him.

                Bolsonaro needs to establish a military dictatorship and gradually take steps to convert most of the population to Protestant.

                • Fireball says:

                  Yes because protestantism works wonders in the US, not super cucked at all.

                  Catholicism or protestantism will not make a difference to the level of corruption in brasil. Bolsonaro voting block is in part evangelical but he has as much catholic support. What it represents is simply the normal people that would like living in a well run country basically the not insane.

                  He cant establish a military dictatorship. For it to happen he would need to turn the amazon red and he has not enough support for it.

                • Halion says:

                  The corruption problems in Catholic countries are not the fault of the Church, but of a pessimistic network of incentives caused by imperium in imperio and general impunity.
                  The best thing for Catholic countries would be to provoke a schism and return to pre-Vatican II dogmas and rites with some modifications (such as married clergy). Of course, if the bishops are reluctant to collaborate, they can be threatened with making some healthy variant of Protestantism the official religion…

                • The Cominator says:

                  The best thing for Catholic countries would be to become Orthodox or Protestant.

                  The Catholic Church is our implacable and eternal enemy, its at least as much to blame for the modern left in the United States as jews and lapsed puritans. Not that voting matters much anymore but Catholics tend to be leftist voters (yes yes lapsed Catholics sure but lapsed Protestants still vote right wing more statistically, papists don’t) And Catholic countries tend to be prone to both extreme corruption and extreme leftism.

                  England and America used to not have this until we became too much Catholic and Catholic immigration never should have been allowed here. The Italians were alright but the Irish were cancer.

                • The Cominator says:

                  It should also be noted that Fauci and much of the traitor fake right wing federal judges who have so often betrayed us have a very Jesuit background. The FBI leadership Mueller Freeh etc had this or Opus Dei too.

                  I think Georgetown is in just as much need of a cleansing as Harvard.

                • A2 says:

                  According to wikipedia, Robert Mueller is an Episcopalian who was previously a Presbyterian. No mention of Catholicism. So I’m not sure what you mean by him having a Jesuit or Opus Dei background? Please clarify.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Okay I was wrong, I know Freeh (the head of the FBI on 9/11) and Hansen (the original FBI communist traitor) were Opus Dei.

                  I had thought (and I had thought I had read) Mueller was too.

                • jim says:

                  The policy was due to Freeh, but Mueller was in charge when things were about to go boom. When things did go boom, when the towers fell, he came under one hell of a lot of heat to correct the problem, and strenuously resisted the corrections (dancing Israelis), then eventually and very reluctantly implemented completely fake corrective measures.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Another correction on Freeh as well, Mueller was head of the FBI on 9/11 though Freeh was the guy who for months made sure none of the hijackers were arrested…

        • alf says:

          Duterte is also pushing the vaccine. Bolsonaro is one of the very few keeping a straight back.

          Considering how China is also making a turn for the worse, I am wondering how much one affects the other. Perhaps insanity, if not stopped, is just very infectious.

          • The Cominator says:

            Thinking about it…

            Duterte can perhaps be literally scared of making enemies of both the Cathedral and China if he doesn’t pretend all this bullshit is real.

            Orban can also only piss off the Germans and the US so much but it’s hardly stopped him before… so him I understand less than Duterte.

            Putin has zero excuse.

          • The Bidenator says:

            Another disappointment is Thailand. They seem to be losing their fight with the US state department and their globohomo hunger games color revolution. The PM just had a meeting with people from the CIA, which probably doesn’t mean much, but can hardly be good news.

            Thailand can probably withstand against the usual leftist stuff, but have fallen for the covid worship probably worse than anyone else.

            The traditional Chinese vaccines have been phased out and Thailand has just received big donations of mRNA vaccines from the US. If recovered from covid, a booster is still needed to be considered vaccinated. If you had the trad vax, a mRNA booster is needed. Most venues don’t require vaccination to enter (yet), but workers seem to be getting vaccinated to keep their job.

            They were the first ones to mix and match jabs, and the health minister has just taken his 4th jab. Illegal to be in public (including in a private car with your family) without a mask on, this includes everyone 2 years old and up. Whether this is enforced or not, who knows, but enforcement isn’t necessary as everyone complies. Some parents have 6 month old babies double masked (a cloth mask and a plastic face shield). Even the newsreaders have to wear masks lol.

            • The Cominator says:

              Sounds bad, and lamentable because if I had to flee the country Thailand would have previously been on the shortlist for me.

              I guess despite the insane federal government it seems at least temporarily Florida and South Dakota are about the sanest places on the planet.

              • f6187 says:

                “Florida and South Dakota”

                North Georgia is good too, with people living as if it’s 2017. The people there hardly even mention the Covid demon, and snort with derision when the subject comes up. Let’s Go Brandon and all that.

                Weirdly, even places like California are not monolithic. I spoke with a woman who said life in Newport Beach is quite normal, but when she travels to LA she encounters people who accuse her of “killing people” for not wearing a mask. Mayors, sheriffs, and DAs make a huge difference.

                • Pooch says:

                  This is in almost every state. Just have to find it looking at voting maps. I moved to Amerikaner country of a blue state (with a cuck Republican governor at the moment). American flags, Trump flags, Military branch flags, Biden sucks flags, etc are a common sight and predictably mask compliance is negligible. Not sure if other countries have places like this but it’s pleasant and where I’m putting down roots unless things get so intensely worse I will consider fleeing. America is a large country though. Places like Idaho and Nebraska would have to deteriorate demographically quite dramatically before I would consider fleeing abroad.

                • pyrrhus says:

                  Arizona is absolutely fine too, business runs the State and doesn’t subscribe to the Covid faith….

                • The Cominator says:

                  https://ibb.co/JpNXXwZ How did these bug people end up in charge… maybe David Icke is even right about lizard people.

                  The most entertaining part of Biden hating in Florida which you certainly won’t see in the Northeast is that even the broads really really hate the Dems here (I can’t speak for South Florida or Orlando). I’ve even seen party girl types on multiple occasions drunkenly ranting about how Biden is fucking everything up.

                  Of course women shouldn’t be involved in politics at all but since thats the world we’re living in they are less insane here…

          • Varna says:

            >Considering how China is also making a turn for the worse,

            What’s going on over there?

      • Karl says:

        From the link it is not clear how long the exemption for natural immunity lasts. If the exemption is for live, not so bad. If the exemption is for 6 months only, terribly bad and very disappointing

    • Varna says:

      Cargo-cultism of the “that’s how they do it in Paris so it must be true” type.
      They can’t get rid of it.
      Proper separate civilizations (India, China, Iran, Japan) are bordeline capable of keeping a handle on the cargocultism, but the actual periphery of the western whites (EE, Russia, Turkey) they lap it up.
      Maybe this now is the decisive crisis after which the survivors can finally realize the depth of their delusions.
      Yet another fun fact from Australia: new legislation to “unmaks online haters and make them pay”: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/28/coalition-bill-would-force-social-media-companies-to-reveal-identities-of-online-bullies

      • Arqiduka says:

        Even I find it staggering to note how much Australia has changed in two years. The right outed their own PM over energy policy not three years ago, and ScoMo goes in to agree to worse in Glasgow and not a peep. ScoMo notifies people that the country is getting nuclear subs and not a peep from the left. It’s a madhouse, who knows what will ScoMo notify us of tomorrow?

        • Ossie says:

          I’ve been completely shocked by how this has unfolded in Australia. We are in a very bad situation. However I am glad that I’ve been disabused of my delusions sooner rather than later, and now have time to come up with some semblance of a plan.

      • The Ducking Man says:

        Exactly what I’ve been saying.

        White people’s heart remain in Europe for it is their proper homeland. Not in australia, not in africa, not in US, not in Asia.

        I wouldn’t surprised when europe collapse, the rest of western civilization (mostly whites) will also collapse.

        On the flip side, I wouldn’t worry too much alien invasion by arabs coming into europe for they will not succeed.

        • jim says:

          > I wouldn’t worry too much alien invasion by arabs coming into europe for they will not succeed.

          Why not? A handful of goat herders inflicted a humiliating, ridiculous, and disastrous defeat on the British in Basra.

          The British have a hundred generals, but can only put a hundred boots on the ground. France and Germany are even worse.

          Europe has repeatedly demonstrated severe and disastrous military incapacity. For whites to return to their natural place as the most fearsome warriors on the planet, the reaction first has to win.

          • The Ducking Man says:

            Jim, your worry and entire statement has made it clear that your heart is not with God. Confused spirit that don’t believe in God even though you proclaim as christian.

            Jim, you need to trust God. God has made arrangement with children of Noah. Each ones with their own land. Arabs (children of Ishmael) already had their own land in Middle East, whites who are most likely children Japeth has their own land in what we call Europe and Russia.

            I admit that there are several conquest in europe lasting for few hundred years. But those are no more than a blip in God’s time scale.

            When japanese took over my land during WW2, it only took 3.5 years for japan to go from “world’s superpower” to “crumbling empire”. Prio to that, VOC took soft control over my land for 350 years, that also didn’t last forever.

            So I’d say to you Jim. Chill. Whites will not perish in europe for God keep his promises.

            • jim says:

              Revelation sounds like it is describing something rather more drastic. If the prophecy works out as the people attempting to create the great reset hope, whites may survive in Russia, but Western Europe will be a desolation.

        • Pooch says:

          This is not the cycle of Western Civilization. During the Bronze Age collapse, Greek refugees fled to Italy and founded Rome.

          • jim says:

            > During the Bronze Age collapse, Greek refugees fled to Italy and founded Rome.

            No they did not.

            According to Dionysius of Helicarnassus, sixteen generations passed between people fleeing Troy, and the detribalized people in the areas of Rome being united under the leadership of Romulus and Remus.

            The group that Romulus and Remus led were initially called Albans, after King Albus, so this seems to be the same story as Venice – detribalized locals grab order and authority created by a foreign power after four centuries of disorderly anarchy. And, having a local leader exercising authority created by a foreign power, then become tribalized.

            According Dionysius of Helcarnassus, refugees from Troy were the last major group of refugees to arrive, but they did not retain their identity. A new identity, Albans was created by a foreign King, and that identity was retroactively localized after local leadership grabbed that authority, by giving the local leaders real or fictitious ancestry back to the leadership that the last major group of refugees possessed before Troy fell.

            For sixteen generations, approximately four centuries, no tribe, no identity, no military capability.

            • Pooch says:

              Dionysius of Helicarnassus seems to be the only source for this four century gap and seems to be the source for fabricating parts of the foundation myth. But what you describe sounds likely and explains the gap period.

              • Aidan says:

                Dionysius’ account perfectly lines up with the dates of the bronze age collapse circa 1150 BC and the founding of Rome circa 750 BC. Romulus and Remus’ group were likely pirates or mercenaries, a detribalized people united into a singular military force under anarchic conditions, who grabbed power in Rome and legitimized it with an appeal to ancient ancestry.

            • Oog en Hand says:

              What is your position on Fomenko? He says current history about Rome is largely made up.

              • jim says:

                He is nuts.

              • Aidan says:

                Sounds nuts to me. When BAP says “what if all history is fake?”, it is an attempt to get you to question your first principles. Even if all history was fabricated, strong, manly, and courageous men would still believe in beauty, strength, great deeds, and so on, and that is the point.

                Overly conspiratorial questioning of history is generally a sign that one is not reading enough old books. Turns out that the primary sources tend to agree with both the physical evidence and old historians. Coulanges wrote about how the ancient Aryan religion developed in Greece before archeology was ever practiced. When Polignac went through the archeological evidence a hundred years later, turns out that Coulanges was exactly right simply based on speculation a priori from primary sources.

                Like Jim has said before, modern historians simply make things up. You trace the trail of their references, and they end in nothing, or a blatantly malicious misrepresentation of the evidence, figuring that nobody will actually dig that deep. True history outs every ideology of the past 200 years as a lie. There was nobody with both the power and incentive to conspiratorially falsify history on a mass scale, at least on the level of “Ancient Rome was a lie”. They are trying to do it nowadays, but the real history still exists, as Moldbug says, meticulously catalogued by the good progressives working for Google books.

    • Upravda says:

      Regarding Putin, I’m also shocked, surprised, and disappointed… BUT, bear in mind that the article mentions only draft of a law that remains to be voted. However, if it passes, there are only two explanations:
      1. Czar is either completely on the hype of “our Russian science is DA BEST, with DA BEST vaxxes, I’ll show it to the world” or
      2. Czar is not what he seems to be, what we all thought him to be.

      Speaking of Russian vaxxes, in addition to brutal Sputnik and “lite” variant(s), they also have some “protein vaccine” – don’t know what’s that, “protein shells” of virus, perhaps? – and traditional “dead virus” vaxx. If Russian and very pressed, I’d take that traditional one.

      Regarding Orban, I’ve said it before, and I’ll repeat: Orban is a socialist. National socialist, maybe, but socialist nevertheless. Yes, sometimes he is thorn in the ass of the EU, or at least seems to be, but he is, in essence, still a good “European”. Not that EU has received any real trouble from him or from the Poles.

      And yes, in case everybody forgot, he was once receiver of scholarship from – Open Society Foundation. In 1989 so one could explain it away as “crazy youth”, but… but… you never know.

      In short, I’m not surprised at all with his devout worshiping of covid demon. Saddened, yes, but surprised – absolutely no.

      • yep says:

        >2. Czar is not what he seems to be, what we all thought him to be.

        You idiots have been believing your own bullshit for quite a while.

        Russian grassroots right-wingers have been trying to tell the English-speaking alt-right to stop worshipping Putin for quite a while. Keeps falling on deaf ears. I personally know a Davos type who’s been quite satisfied with Putin for a long time. Not that that would’ve been believed here.

        Remember when the chinese acclaimed Xi into a new term and the western media was freaking out about it, and Spandrell wrote a big long piece about how the western media doesn’t know crap and it doesn’t mean anything and Xi isn’t the one in power anyway? Remember that?

        I do.

        And now you go around talking about Xi as a great leader and key figure resisting globohomo AND cheering Spandrell when he pokes his nose in, and taking him as a clear authority on all things Chinese and definitely certainly not a paid chi-gov propagandist.

        Remember in 2018 when Jim was confidently predicting a red wave?
        Remember afterwards when Jim posted about how he was surprised and dissapointed that there wasn’t one? (very nearly word-for-word quote) Remember how last year Jim was saying that he had always expected a red loss in 2018? Remember that?

        I do.

        I even went and dug up the 2018 articles after his retcons last year to be sure I hadn’t dreamed it.

        I could go on. There’s lots of examples. The nonexistence of a Trump autocoup wasn’t an exception; it was just so obvious it had to be addressed somehow. Jim talks about gardening, demonstrates he doesn’t know the first thing about it. Talks about cars, same. Having farmers and car mechanics in the family makes things like that egregiously obvious. But what he says sounds plausible enough for those who’ve never had to deal wtih the topic in any intense fashion.

        This is a very insular place with very little intellectual cross-fertilization elsewhere. It’s closer to a cult than anything else, complete with magic formulas to reinforce cult taboos. The obsession with “shills” – a largely imaginary phenomenon; fed infiltration focuses on easier targets who are closer to real-world action, because that’s what’s cost-effective – isolates all participants from ideas and evidence that their premises might be false or even unproven. Then, inevitably, things happen that are shocking and dismaying, because you couldn’t imagine them happening, because you’ve deliberately cut yourself off from any thinking to the contrary.

        And you wonder what went wrong.

        And you never look in the mirror.

        • alf says:

          Approving because my fingers itch.

          The obsession with “shills” – a largely imaginary phenomenon

          A shill is someone who is not having a conversation with you, he is just reading off a script. Means he is not responding to what you say, only to what he imagines you say.

          And now you go around talking about Xi as a great leader and key figure resisting globohomo

          Hey look you’re not responding to anything we said, only to what you imagine we said. What coincidence.

          Russian grassroots right-wingers have been trying to tell the English-speaking alt-right to stop worshipping Putin for quite a while.

          As for everything you say, not what has been said here, only what you imagine has been said here because it fits your script.

          The only somewhat valid point you make, and the point I’ll jump on, is that Putin’s revival of Christian orthodoxy seems less impressive by the day. Perhaps that is more the fault of Putin than of Christian orthodoxy, but it is noticeable.

        • Upravda says:

          >>2. Czar is not what he seems to be, what we all thought him to be.
          >You idiots have been believing your own bullshit for quite a while.

          As first, there’s no need to be rude.

          Regarding believing this and that, me thinking somewhat highly of Putin looong predates my discovery of this blog, although our courteous host does think highly of Putin for a lot of similar reasons as me.

          Regarding “bullshits we believe”, I’ve said and I repeat: So-called neoreactionaries in both Anglosphere and those few of them in my own country have the greatest amount of correct predictions and soundest explanations for the state of the modern civilization. So, not all is nice, and well, and correct in these predictions and explanations (it would be simply impossible) but much more than in those of many other people.

          Regarding shills, I find it actually hard to believe that some entities send their agents to destroy discussion on this and similar blogs. I doubt there’s some “HR official” overseeing shills’ comments. However, shills, and demon worshippers do appear here and everywhere, and they do destroy discussions with their idiotism. It is obvious. Many years ago, Usenet fell because of them. The way I see it, they can not pass Jim’s test not because being terrified of some human overseer, but because they are mortally afraid of badthink in front of themselves and their inner demons. Either way, shill tests *are* efficient in chasing them out. 🙂

          And who knows, maybe I’m wrong, and majority of commentariat here right. While hard to believe, it is not impossible that there’s some subsidiary of, say, Faceshit’s censors who do get tasked with not only promoting goodthink on that platform, but also with destroying badthink on other platforms.

          Anyway, nobody forces you to read or comment on this “very insular place with very little intellectual cross-fertilization elsewhere…closer to a cult than anything else, complete with magic formulas to reinforce cult taboos.”

          Now, shoo, begone.

          • HerbR says:

            Jim tends to think in very literal terms, and when asked to clarify he will say outright that he really means it literally, but nevertheless, I think I’ve gained the most insights by taking what Jim says is literally true and interpreting it as somewhat metaphorical.

            I think maybe Jim can’t say that certain things are metaphors for the same reason that the bible can’t come right out and say that it’s metaphorical, because it then becomes an easy copout and vector for holiness spiraling. Sticker prices are usually open to negotiation, but you don’t actually write “or best offer” unless you’re prepared to deal with extreme lowballs.

            So when he states that a shill’s output (but not input) is supervised, that is probably literally true in some cases, but doesn’t have to be literally true. The key insight is that a shill’s output is monologue disguised as dialogue. It is supposed to look like relevant replies to a thread, but is actually repetitive, loosely-scripted boilerplate that is merely tweaked slightly to try to fit the overall theme, and has no relationship to what it is supposedly replying to. In many ways, it resembles the actual spam you see on some sites, where someone (or some bot) clearly did nothing more than a keyword search and went “hmm, close enough”.

            One might do this because paid and supervised, or because one is simply an NPC who doesn’t know how to do much more than repeat scripts he’s heard, and trying to make an NPC “think” is an exercise in futility.

            But the outcome is the same whether or not they’re literally paid and literally supervised: they are simply megaphones for someone else’s narrative, they are disruptive and destructive, and trying to engage with them is pointless because they are intentionally avoiding any kind of two-way engagement. You’re shouting at your TV, which might feel good for a minute or two but really is just a waste of your time, and what you should be doing is turning the TV off and cutting the cable.

            And as for this being an “insular place”, that’s called memetic sovereignty. There’s no pride in being a whore and accepting memetic material from all over the place – if you do choose to integrate a foreign meme it should be deliberate and clearly beneficial. You don’t want holiness spirals, of course, but aside from that, it is cohesion and not “diversity” that wins the day. Who is still around to “cross-fertilize” with, anyway? All of Jim’s former blogging peers have folded up shop either for security reasons or because their creations were corrupted and destroyed by shills.

            • jim says:

              > All of Jim’s former blogging peers have folded up shop either for security reasons or because their creations were corrupted and destroyed by shills.

              Loss of memetic sovereignty.

              Our enemy’s modus operandi for four centuries has been to attack its opponents memetic sovereignty with organized and supervised entryists.

              This is not exactly secret, but it strangely unknown. And when something is strangely unknown, strangely unnoticed, and strangely ignored and forgotten when somebody notices it, one can be pretty sure our enemies are making us forget it.

              The nine eleven troofer memes, the flat earth memes, and the Rothschild memes are obvious enemy action. The pick up artist community also went down under purple pilled meme injection.

              Sometimes I see a commenter who is genuinely aligned with us, but thinks with enemy memes in his head. He seems like a shill, but has merely accepted enemy lies. The difference is he will react to crime thought by acknowledging that there is not universal consensus on his memes.

              The dead give away for organized Cathderal shilling is argument from false consensus. The shill never acknowledges that his claim is disputed, so he never argues his memetic payload, merely assumes it in a comment or post that is purportedly addressing some quite different issue. Other, non Cathedral, entryist groups have used different tactics, but for two centuries the Cathedral has used false consensus as the major weapon in its arsenal.

              • Upravda says:

                Regarding enemy memes, what people here think about supposed faked Moon landing?

                Personally, I think it’s poppycock.

                Major „evidences” like flying flag on airless Moon, and „unseen” stars on photos are trivially easy to disprove. The Bad Astronomer might be a hard core lefty with wet dreams about Mr. Obama, but he’s right about all those „evidences”. Also, putting forward such hard core leftist as debunkers of those theories smells heavily like „you see, our glorious progressives are fighting those conservative retards who deny the glorious achievements of our nation… ups, I mean, society.”

                Or am I promoting false consensus right now? 🙂

                Speaking of false consensus, all I can say it is 100% precise tool for identifying supposedly “conservative”, but in reality leftist both people and media. And yes, people (and media) aligned with common sense might use enemy memes, typical example is calling leftist for “hate speech”, but usually can be persuaded to discard enemy words and phrases.

                • Red says:

                  > Regarding enemy memes, what people here think about supposed faked Moon landing?

                  Flat earther noise to confuse people. People who push it are generally mentally weak(IE Voxday) or paid shills.

                • jim says:

                  That the moon landing is fake is pushed by the same organization as the flat earthers, and every flat earther totally without exception is an enemy supervised shill, pushing a script that he does not believe, written by people who believe their opponents are as dumb as they themselves are.

                  But some of those who argue the moon landing is fake are not enemy supervised shills, but people on our side who have lost memetic sovereignty. Their minds are enemy occupied territory. Some of them are potentially recoverable.

                • The Cominator says:

                  If you think the moon landing is fake…

                  Have you seen Sci Fi from before the 1st Star Wars and George Lucas’ founding Industrial Light and Magic because he wanted special effects that didn’t look like puppets on strings and such.

                  Yeah well the 1st moon landing was 10 years before that. So they couldn’t fake the moon landing back when they landed on the moon because the technology for faking anything well was not even in its infancy at the time.

                • Contaminated NEET says:

                  >Have you seen Sci Fi from before the 1st Star Wars and George Lucas’ founding Industrial Light and Magic

                  2001: A Space Odyssey looks pretty good. And the Apollo 11 footage looks very blurry. They could have faked it. If they did fake it, they probably even hired Kubrick to do it.

                • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

                  The faked moon landings would have to be organized between all of the major powers and any skilled professional or amateur radio operators. The difference of time and frequency on arrival would have made it very obvious if it were faked. Anyone who knows what to look for would have been able to see if it was broadcast from anywhere on the planet. Moon landing truthers are fake and gay shills, or ignorant bastards.

                • Guy says:

                  I don’t believe the earth is flat, but I think that people might honestly believe that it is. The COVID hoax and media gaslighting around Trump, not to mention the little things people may have noticed the media lying about in their own areas of expertise, caused a lot of people to reflexively believe anything the media puts effort into suppressing. And a lot of people jump to flat earth when looking for a reason why the moon landings would be faked.

                  As for the moon landings being fake, there isn’t much offered as evidence of a hoax, so again it seems to come down to trust if you don’t have enough expertise. This page https://www.reddit.com/r/SensibleSite/comments/i1rkbp/debunking_american_moon_part_2/ lists the only things I came across while watching the Apollo missions that I thought looked really wrong, but I also think the debunkers I linked make good arguments. This next video is terrible, but around 1:10 shows the only thing I’ve ever seen from space footage that looks really fake: https://youtube.com/watch?v=D7D3c3rxb6c .

                  In both cases, it’s just as reasonable to assume that:

                  1) I don’t have an intuitive sense of what movement in space or on the moon should look like, so my opinion is worthless on the matter

                  2) parts of some videos were edited or faked because the people in charge got lazy or were dumb

                  3) for the second video it’s just people moving weirdly and awkwardly, happens sometimes

                  Overall I’d expect the hoaxes to be lower quality, the ridiculousness of the COVID shit makes me more likely to go with Jim’s “the elite are dumb and evil” over “the elite are evil geniuses”.

                • jim says:

                  > I don’t believe the earth is flat, but I think that people might honestly believe that it is.

                  Every single person pushing flat earth has turned out to be a state sponsored shill, and there are various tells that reveal that they are just following a script that they do not genuinely believe and they don’t actually like the script they have to push.

                • Contaminated NEET says:

                  If America put a man on the moon in 1969, then why have we still not put a Black Muslim woman on the moon 50 years later? Think of how inspiring that would be for all the sweet oppressed little minority children. Our rulers would absolutely love to do that if they could, and they’d spend as many billions of our dollars as it would take to do it. Imagine the touching interview where she explains how she used Science! to calculate the exact angle to Mecca for her prayers on the moon. That alone would be worth at least a couple hundred billion.

                  Obviously, they can’t go back to the moon. They don’t have the ability to do it. My entire life, they’ve been promising a return to the moon in approximately ten years. Ten years pass, and the moon is still about ten years out. It’s the same as the climate apocalypse, the cloned mammoth, and the self-driving car. It’s perpetually just outside of the immediate future, yet still close enough for us to look forward to.

                  I suspect Jim will say that the USA does indeed lack the ability to put a man (or Muslima) on the moon, but that this is due to technological and organizational decay. Fair enough. But they’d lie to us about it now in a heartbeat if they thought they could get away with it, and 50 years ago the public was a lot more credulous and the media were a lot more controlled.

                • alf says:

                  I’m really just adding to the pile at this point, but these visual effect artists do a good breakdown of the moonlanding footage.

                  Basically, from a practical point of view, the footage is so impossible to fake that it is easier to actually go to the moon.

                • Dave says:

                  When Buzz Aldrin says “picking up some dust” in the original Apollo footage, the dust shoots straight away in the lunar vacuum. Some of the finer motes may have traveled halfway around the Moon. When Bryan Cranston says the same line in the 1998 HBO miniseries, the dust billows up in clouds.

                  Seems rather lazy of HBO, but only advanced CGI could do it right. Can’t use a vacuum chamber because the gases you’re blasting the dust with would quickly spoil the vacuum.

                • Starman says:

                  @Contaminated NEET

                  “2001: A Space Odyssey looks pretty good. And the Apollo 11 footage looks very blurry. They could have faked it. If they did fake it, they probably even hired Kubrick to do it.”

                  If so, how was the vacuum and 1/6th gravity simulated?

                • Contaminated NEET says:

                  >If so, how was the vacuum and 1/6th gravity simulated?

                  Honestly, I don’t know. Some kind of trickery and movie magic, or maybe they actually went to the moon. I certainly don’t rule it out. I’ve just been looking at some moon footage, and when they kick up dust, it really doesn’t seem to behave like it would on Earth. Could they have faked it somehow? Maybe. I don’t know. It seems like a fairly minor detail, and one that would not be easy to replicate, so I find it pretty convincing. Would it be harder to find a way to fake that than to actually go to the moon, though? I don’t know. I do know that our leaders have nothing but contempt for the public and wouldn’t hesitate for a second to lie about something like the moon landing if they thought it was to their advantage. I also know that the same people who tell me that it’s simply a matter of science that a woman can have a penis and Miami will be underwater by 2015 are the ones who tell me I’m borderline retarded for questioning the moon landing.

                  Now let me ask you a question: why hasn’t the US government sent a cute hijabi girlboss to walk on the moon yet?

                • Mr.P says:

                  I ask myself, Is it important for me to have an informed opinion about whether the Apollo moon landing was fake or real?

                  No.

                  If fake, then add it to the centuries-long list of lies running off the page. If real, then “Ha! So this is the one time they didn’t lie. Guess the unprincipled exception proves the rule.”

                • alf says:

                  I ask myself, Is it important for me to have an informed opinion about whether the Apollo moon landing was fake or real?

                  To my mind, obviously important.

                  It seems clear to me that God never intended for us to be confined to earth. The universe is simply too big for this to be an earth-only simulation. And in order to explore the universe, need to be up to date on our past explorations.

                • HerbR says:

                  I don’t see moon-quackery as abstract craziness, it’s a deliberate attack on those who dare to notice technological stagnation and decline. “Things aren’t getting worse, you’ve just been lied to about how good it used to be!”

                  It’s precisely because of this refrain that it matters:

                  If America put a man on the moon in 1969, then why have we still not put a Black Muslim woman on the moon 50 years later?

                  Indeed, why not? Why can’t we do something today that we could 50 years ago? It’s an important question, and claiming that it was all fake is a way of attacking the questioner instead of answering the question.

                  You aren’t supposed to notice that we are losing technological capabilities, just like you aren’t supposed to notice that women tend to cause problems in the workplace. Doesn’t happen, can’t happen. If you notice, that just means there is something wrong with your perception.

                • Contaminated NEET says:

                  >I don’t see moon-quackery as abstract craziness, it’s a deliberate attack on those who dare to notice technological stagnation and decline. “Things aren’t getting worse, you’ve just been lied to about how good it used to be!”

                  That’s a tidy narrative and it makes a lot of sense, but the it just doesn’t square with the kinds of people who push moon-quackery. The Party Line is very clear: the moon landing was completely real and happened exactly as the public was told, and anyone who doubts this is a weird low-status redneck paranoid Dale Gribble character. I don’t see any of the major propaganda organs pushing moon-quackery, but do see them pouring scorn on moon-quackery and sending a clear and coherent message that even entertaining moon-quackery is icky and puts you at the loser table in the cafeteria.

                • Contaminated NEET says:

                  >I’m really just adding to the pile at this point, but these visual effect artists do a good breakdown of the moonlanding footage.

                  I watched the video, and it was OK, but those guys are total greengrocers. If I overthrew the government with a tinfoil-hat militia and made moon-skepticism the official party line, those same youtubers would make that same video in a year, except they’d be laughing at the crude visual effects and explaining how their expertise proves the footage was fake, and they wouldn’t remember that they’d ever thought differently.

                • G.T. Chesterton says:

                  If America put a man on the moon in 1969, then why have we still not put a Black Muslim woman on the moon 50 years later?

                  Black women were only able to build and land spacecrafts on the Moon when they were Hidden Figgers. Now that they run NASA, they no longer have themselves to get the job done behind the scenes.

                  If .gov had faked it the first few times, the tech for fakery would have gotten better and better, and they would have continued faking it on a bigger and grander scale, in order to steal the budget. We would have “colonized Saturn” by 2010.

                • HerbR says:

                  I don’t see any of the major propaganda organs pushing moon-quackery

                  Obviously. What kind of argument is that? Official press does not promote 9/11 trooferism or flat earth either. The official press promotes the official narrative, and the officially unofficial retard theories are seeded by officially unofficial shills and entryists.

                  Moon-quackery was taken on by Mythbusters, of all things. It’s an intentionally ridiculous idea designed to induce guilt-by-association in those who take the bait (like Vox Day). Don’t be one of those people.

                  Shills shill because shilling works, at least when it isn’t actively countered. The people whom you see pushing shill theories are a combination of the shills themselves and the people whom the shills have co-opted – generally those who are both gullible and bitter or emotionally frail.

                • Starman says:

                  @Contaminated NEET

                  “Now let me ask you a question: why hasn’t the US government sent a cute hijabi girlboss to walk on the moon yet?”

                  You might want to learn about rocket reusability first before responding.

                • Contaminated NEET says:

                  it’s a deliberate attack on those who dare to notice technological stagnation and decline. “Things aren’t getting worse, you’ve just been lied to about how good it used to be!”

                  If moon-quackery is something our masters want out there to explain away technological decline, then they would want the masses to believe it. In that case, they couldn’t position it as bait to make badthinkers self-discredit.

                • Contaminated NEET says:

                  Sorry, I seem to have messed up my last post. I meant it to read:

                  >It’s an intentionally ridiculous idea designed to induce guilt-by-association in those who take the bait (like Vox Day). Don’t be one of those people.

                  This is a reasonable take. But it’s not congruent with:

                  >it’s a deliberate attack on those who dare to notice technological stagnation and decline. “Things aren’t getting worse, you’ve just been lied to about how good it used to be!”

                  If moon-quackery is something our masters want out there to explain away technological decline, then they would want the masses to believe it. In that case, they couldn’t position it as bait to make badthinkers self-discredit.

                • jim says:

                  > If moon-quackery is something our masters want out there to explain away technological decline, then they would want the masses to believe it. In that case, they couldn’t position it as bait to make badthinkers self-discredit.

                  Reflect on all this crap about Rothschilds. They don’t want the masses to believe that – the masses are supposed to believe that government is the will of the people. But very obviously they want us to believe it. Similarly, trooferism. They want the people who might notice the FBI going after wrongthinkers and ignoring terrorists to be worried about Mossad instead.

                  Flat Eatherism is obviously something they want us to believe, for us to self discredit, but appears to be getting absolutely zero traction. Moon quackery is something they would like the people who might otherwise be making trouble over technological decline to believe. It is not intended to be self discrediting, nor is Trooferism. Rothschilds might be something of both, but it is not obvious idiocy to believe that Rothschilds rule the world. They have always been big influence buyers, though the influence they purchased frequently turned out to be worth considerably less than they paid for it, and their capacity to buy influence has diminished with their wealth.

                  If someone thinks that Rothschilds rule the world, it does not discredit him, but it distracts him from his real enemies.

                • HerbR says:

                  …But it’s not congruent with…

                  If these appear incongruent to you, then it’s because of confusion over the basic concept and purpose of shilling.

                  Moldbug introduced the concept of “fake alternative” narratives many years ago, and as Namefag Yarvin more recently wrote a similar piece about the “n-story system”. It goes like this:

                  – The official favored narrative, which we’ll call E (for “Elite” or “Exclusive”), is broadcast by every official mouthpiece. It is considered high status to believe this narrative.
                  – A second, official disfavored narrative, P (for “Prole” or “Peasant”) is broadcast by official gatekeepers. This narrative is considered low-status, but still acceptable to voice in public.
                  – Several more S (“Shill” or “Shunned”) narratives are spread unofficially and deniably wherever it is possible to find dissidents who reject both E and P. E inoculates very effectively against all S, and it is precisely because S is not approved by either official or gatekeeper media that voicing S in public will immediately get you branded as Untouchable and excluded from normal society.

                  To some extent, this system is breaking down today as E becomes increasingly intolerant of P. But nevertheless, this is the basic design.

                  So as Jim explains, we are supposed to believe S-narratives, they are not. When confronted with a dissident non-“S” narrative, the “P”s become confused and disoriented. They don’t know how to interpret or respond to authentically dissident memes like “democracy is fake and gay” or “Islam is right about women”, so they tend to either reinterpret as an S-narrative or blurt out some ineffective label (“anti-government”, “rape apologist”).

                  This is not just the Cathedral, by the way. Every memeplex ultimately seeks to create a stratified hierarchy like this so that it has a convenient way to categorize, manage and if necessary crack down on heretics and apostates.

                  Flat earth and fake moon landings are clearly S-narratives. Society’s elite are totally inoculated against them. It has been debunked on Mythbusters and satirized on Futurama and the Colbert Report. Every one of society’s elite knows of this narrative, knows it is stupid, and therefore wants you, as the dissident, to believe in it so that you can also be branded as stupid and banished from polite society.

                  It is a grave mistake – sadly, one still made constantly by dissidents – to believe that S-memes are truly forbidden and therefore must have merit. “The official narrative is all lies, so this must be true.” IVI (thanks Aidan) and “The Kraken” and “Covid-19 is a bioweapon” were S-memes, clearly “opposed to official reality” but still a trap, and a memetic dead-end. To use an even cruder analogy, these memeplex-fragments are concentration camps for dissidents – a convenient place to lock them up until they can either be purged or re-educated.

                  To retain memetic sovereignty in a hostile environment, where actual sovereignty is lacking, you need to recognize and avoid the S-memes. They are always a trap. Even if you cannot immediately think of any possible way that they could be used against you, the shills disseminating them (or their masters) will eventually find a way.

                • jim says:

                  HerbR quoting Moldbug and Yarvin

                  – The official favored narrative, which we’ll call E (for “Elite” or “Exclusive”), is broadcast by every official mouthpiece. It is considered high status to believe this narrative.
                  – A second, official disfavored narrative, P (for “Prole” or “Peasant”) is broadcast by official gatekeepers. This narrative is considered low-status, but still acceptable to voice in public.
                  – Several more S (“Shill” or “Shunned”) narratives are spread unofficially and deniably wherever it is possible to find dissidents who reject both E and P.

                  “Rothschilds rule the world” is a shill narrative directed against those who notice that power is unresponsive to public will, and less distributed than it pretends.

                  Marxism and its more generic variant “Capitalists rule” used to be a genuine left faction of the Cathedral, but is now spread almost entirely by shills. Like “Rothschilds rule”, it is targeted to make us look away from those who actually rule.

                  “Usury” (shill redefinition of what Christians and Muslims call usury) was originally a Marxist shill narrative by Marxists engaged in entryism against Christianity, now an Cathedral entryist operation against Christianity and Islam)

                  “Moon Landing is Fake” and “Flat Earth” are shill narratives directed against those who notice technological decline.

                  “Trooferism” is a shill narrative directed against those who notice that the FBI targets Amerikaners, rather than criminals, and the NSA targets Americans, rather than Russians.

                  Lately I have seen the shills attempting systematically co-opt purple pill and the red pill memes “incel” and “Holding Frame”. Those who spread the red pill are supposedly incels, but because of crimestop, the shill supervisors and scriptwriters have yet not produced an effective and coherent counter narrative to the Red Pill. I expect to see a purple counter narrative produced by shills to pass the WQ test any day now, but am not seeing it yet. They toyed with Jordanetics, but found it too radioactive.

                  Jordanetics was initially a shill narrative directed against the red pill, but was abandoned because it did not effectively inoculate against the red pill, being both too close to the truth, and too far from the truth. And was just too intellectual for the low grade shills they employ to understand. They need a Jordanetics dumbed down thirty or twenty IQ points, for the typical shill is IQ ninety operating a script produced by a midwit IQ one hundred and five to operated by someone IQ ninety.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Re “Covid is a bioweapon” that leaked out of the Wuhan lab is now kind of the official Cathedral position though. They don’t say it loudly but they don’t push back on it either…

                  I still don’t agree with it, my view is that they called bad flu cases covid, murdered some people in nursing homes to make it look as super serial as manbearpig, and the test just didn’t work.

                • Pooch says:

                  The “vaccine makes you magnetic” was another S-narrative that every liberal seemed to know about, the goal obviously being to paint those choosing not to take the clot shot as batshit crazy.

                  I wonder if Q was an s-narrative. Seems like it may have been…

                • jim says:

                  Not a shill narrative.

                  Vaccines have been produced in a manner ever more incompetent, careless, and reckless. Some batches, a few, not very many, contained large amounts of an unknown magnetic contaminant. There have been a lot of grossly defective batches, defective in different ways. The magnetic contaminant problem seems to have been remedied, but new problems have arisen.

                • Pooch says:

                  Re “Covid is a bioweapon” that leaked out of the Wuhan lab is now kind of the official Cathedral position though. They don’t say it loudly but they don’t push back on it either…

                  The consensus on the dissident right is that Covid we now know was part of the NIH’s GOF experiments in Wuhan. When it leaked they were hoping it would be more dangerous and once they realized it wasn’t all that dangerous, they did all they could to juice the numbers (kill people, fake numbers, etc).

                • HerbR says:

                  Re “Covid is a bioweapon” that leaked out of the Wuhan lab is now kind of the official Cathedral position though

                  I haven’t seen this – is there a source? From what I’ve seen, they are slowly getting around to admitting that it was an actual lab leak, not the preposterous story about bat soup at a nearby wet market, but they are being very coy and careful about it and slow-rolling the story so as to preserve the official reality that Fauci is the only one who’s expert enough to deal with it, as opposed to the actual reality that Fauci’s NIAID was largely if not primarily responsible for it.

                  I wonder if Q was an s-narrative. Seems like it may have been…

                  The origins of Q seem to be pretty well documented, despite constant denials. It started out as an actual larp by a couple of trolls (real names known, but I forget what they are), but it drew in so much enthusiasm that the shills sought to capitalize on it, and succeeded beyond their wildest expectations.

                  The actual Q-anon “movement” always seemed to be a mix of trolls, internet autists (plane-watchers and so on), attention-seekers exploiting the Barnum effect, a handful of low-level insiders and a veritable army of shills. To the extent that it ever had a central narrative – maybe “trust the plan” – I’m honestly not sure whether it was created by shills or just co-opted by shills, but I suppose it makes little difference. Like 4chan itself, it was quickly transformed from a “chaotic-neutral” force arrayed against the Cathedral into a foothold from which to launch psyops at the Cathedral’s behest.

                • HerbR says:

                  “Capitalists rule” […] is targeted to make us look away from those who actually rule.

                  Good corollary. It is probably not far off to say that whenever there is something we are not supposed to notice, there is a shill meme to cover those who stubbornly insist on noticing.

                  It can be observed that those who nominally rule us (elected officials) do not actually rule us, so a multitude of shill memes exist to suit every preference: Jews rule, Israel rules, China rules, judges rule, capitalists rule, secret lizard people rule – everybody rules except the Ivy League and State Department and Prestige Press.

                  We are not supposed to notice black dysfunction, female hypergamy, low fertility, low testosterone, rampant inceldom, technological decline, military decline, vaccine inefficacy, power grid instability, supply shortages, diminishing purchasing power, predatory banking, deindustrialization, or inability of the government to govern. And for each and every one of these, I’m sure that all of you can think of one or several shill narratives that deflect attention away from the real problem and toward some bogus or irrelevant non-explanation.

                • The Cominator says:

                  They quietly when pressed now claim it originated in the Wuhan lab, but I don’t even believe this because I believe that “covid” is a catch all used to fear monger about any bad respiratory virus but the supposed deadly covid sars bat hiv hybrid virus does not actually exist and never did.

                  I literally agree completely with David Icke on the subject of “covid”.

              • f6187 says:

                The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter has also taken photos of various moon landing sites.

                https://www.universetoday.com/113359/what-does-the-apollo-11-landing-site-look-like-today/

                WHICH THEY COULD FAKE — is what a moon hoax theorist would say.

        • Red says:

          You’re clearly a shill.

          You had a good argument until you started spewing bullshit about shills. I’ve seen shills consume every outpost of free thought on the internet, I’ve watched them suddenly disappear when the cathedral hasn’t decided which way to push on an issue, and I’ve seen the same scripts pushed endlessly everywhere.

          I gave up on Putin when I realized he didn’t have a son and wasn’t going to marry his daughter off to a man who should replace him as Czar. But watching him build beautiful cathedrals while the west builds monuments to Beelzebub fills me with hope that not all civilization will die with the west.

          • jim says:

            > You [rep] are clearly a shill.

            Alf chose to allow an obvious shill through so that he could address and respond to the shill claim that there are no shills, and that paranoia about shills just results in us being trapped in a bubble.

            If you allow entryists in, you lose memetic sovereignty. All meme systems that survive have leadership administered defense mechanisms against entryist attack. For at least two millennia, there has been a hundred percent failure rate resulting from loss of memetic sovereignty among meme systems that don’t have leadership administered defense mechanisms. They just flat out disappear under entryist attack.

            An army needs a leader, and the leader of an army needs a faith. Cathedral tactics for over two centuries, when faced with a militarily capable opponent, or an opponent that they fear might develop military capability, has been to attack the memetic sovereignty of the faith that gives the enemy army cohesion with state organized and state funded entryists.

            The Books of Kings describe Israel faced with attack by an enemy state religion seeking to undermine Israel’s military cohesion, but it is not obvious that the enemy was using entryism. Maybe they did use entryism, and because the attack succeeded, we do not know of it. Or maybe entryism is a new tactic, but it is not all that new. Whether there was entryism motivated by military considerations four millennia ago is not clear, but it is obvious that there was plenty of entryism motivated by military considerations two millennia ago.

            The quarrel over the filoque is a residue of one such attack, one of many. Once the attack was defeated, the quarrel should have been resolved by creating a distinction between shill tests, which must be adapted to the latest attack, and creeds and catechisms, which should remain universal and unchanging.

            • Cloudswrest says:

              Speaking of shills, has anybody here read Vernor Vinge’s “A Deepness in the Sky”? It features shilling as one of the antagonist’s tactics. In the plot two advanced human factions simultaneously converge on the first discovered non-human civilization, which has a “20th” century technology. The two human groups fight amongst themselves, crippling themselves in orbit. They then work on discretely uplifting the aliens’ technology in order to provide for eventual rescue. One of the techniques the humans use to protect their favored alien factions from unfavored alien factions is shilling the unfavored factions in their alien version of Usenet.

              • jim says:

                Yes, read it, good stuff.

                The advanced human bad guys plan to destroy the alien civilization, and therefore memetically attack the non human faction capable of advancing the alien civilization, while the good guys counter attack.

                They also use memetic weapons in their internal struggle, humanizing the unhuman, scary, and creepy aliens so as to reduce human support for hostile memetic warfare against the aliens.

              • Upravda says:

                Read it in Croatian translation. Also Fire upon the Deep – same “universe”, 20 thousand years later – Peace War, and Rainbows End.

                Yes, humans, ruled or conquered by bad human faction, shill unfavored faction of creepy aliens. However, those aliens, despite being physically creepy, are otherwise quite similar to humanity.

                Since both human factions are heavily crippled because of infighting, Vinge correctly assumes that for bringing back advanced starships home, one needs to have an industrial civilization at disposal.

                Refreshingly, there are no hyperspaces, subspaces, slipstreams and other Plott DeVice superluminal drives. Together with Alastair Reynolds, Vinge has proven that space opera can function in relativistic universe.

                Mr. Vinge is of libertarian-ish inclination and it shows in his heroes, some of whom are suffering internal struggles between conquering aspirations and live and let live philosophy. Regarding that, there are even some touchy parts of Deepness in the Sky.

            • Cloudswrest says:

              One more BTW regarding shills. Fuentes just popped in on Gab today, spouting insults at various dissident right poasters. The Zman and Cornelius Rye are having a field day with him!!!

              • The Cominator says:

                Who is Cornelius…

                Never been a fan of either the Z man or Fuentes.

                • Pooch says:

                  I don’t read Zman much but he was won of the few that correctly predicted Trump was not going to successfully stop the steal and aptly compared the system removing him ala Nixon. I called him a blackpiller at the time but in hindsight he was dead on accurate.

                  Fuentes I watch/listen to occasionally because he is one of the few right-wing media sources that provide reactionary commentary on the news of the day. But Fuentes at times, like Angelin, annoyingly regurgitates the Soros shill Israel crap.

                • Red says:

                  I don’t read Zman much but he was won of the few that correctly predicted Trump was not going to successfully stop the steal and aptly compared the system removing him ala Nixon. I called him a blackpiller at the time but in hindsight he was dead on accurate.

                  I predicted Trump would end up like Nixon but I hoped for the best. It’s really not a profound prediction as it was clear from the start that that was the plan of both the GOP and the Dems.

        • The Original OC says:

          “Remember when the chinese acclaimed Xi into a new term and the western media was freaking out about it, and Spandrell wrote a big long piece about how the western media doesn’t know crap and it doesn’t mean anything and Xi isn’t the one in power anyway? Remember that?”

          Apparently I didn’t, since I didn’t immediately notice you are lying. This is the post in question:

          https://spandrell.com/2018/02/27/china-doesnt-care-about-your-opinion/

          Spandrell does not say that Xi wasn’t really the one in power, but that Xi making the president a lifetime position didn’t give him any functional greater power because he already held other, much more powerful offices that already didn’t have term limits.

          The post is nine years old, older than I thought, and even my memory isn’t perfect, so at first I accepted your sleight of hand. Can’t but be deliberate. Jim, I strongly advise banning this guy.

    • Upravda says:

      Maybe, just maybe, Putin will be Czar after all:

      https://www.rt.com/russia/541855-fines-not-vaccinated-people/

      I’ve also noticed, in span of a few days between first article and second, a slight turnaround in covid-related stuff, from “non vaxxed are suckers” to Mass vaccination fails to halt Covid transmission rates

      Ahh, blessed are the pro-regime media. 🙂 But, after all, it doesn’t matter. It only matters whether those media are on the side of life, or in cahoots with leftist death-cult.

  16. Sol says:

    I own about 110 acres 20 miles from town with everything a person could need. Food, water, privacy everything. But I think Jim is right. The blackies are gonna drive clear out here, even though you have to make several gravel road detours and they’re gonna somehow manage to get past my Barrett .50 then squat on my land and have one of their bar-b-ques where they play that disgusting rap and drink malt liquor and smoke those blunts.

    Anyway, I’m going to hang up the towel on Jim’s advice, sell my land for bitcoin and move into the big city and get vaxxed.

    • jim says:

      Shill script detected.

      You are on moderation till you pass the shill test.

      Now it is possible that you merely misunderstood what we are saying, because reading it through Cathedral eyes, in which case you will fail the shill test through ignorance, rather than because you are forbidden to speak those words, and deliberately spinning my position and our position into what our enemies wish it to be.

      For a pass on the Woman Question test, you might try making a relevant and meaningful comment on this

      or on this

    • pyrrhus says:

      If you are more than one tank of gasoline away from their cities, you will probably be safe from the hood rats, but you won’t be safe from rogue law enforcement…

      • The Cominator says:

        In the immediate future rogue law enforcement is probably far less dangerous than law enforcement that is just following orders.

        • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

          Rogue law enforcement probably means they are helping us. Moonlighting as right wing minecraft deleters. At least under the current system.

      • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

        Rogue law enforcement is not a problem if you have a modicum of capability and training. Get four or five men together and dirty cops will die like maggots to a blowtorch. Their capabilities are abysmal, and you have to be an active fuckup to be worse than they are. Maybe they are decent if they are pulling from good local stock, but in that case they are more likely to be on your side. Cops are not soldiers, terrible killers, and fucking lazy. They do not have what it takes to be dangerous to anyone but the completely helpless. I would be more worried about roaming diversity than about cops.

        • pyrrhus says:

          Yes, if you have an armed group, LEO’s will steer clear…but one man alone will be a target when Road Warrior times hit….

          • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

            Then do not be alone. Reject atomization, embrace cooperation. Road Warrior is not actually going to happen, at least not for any length of time, but be part of a community anyways. What is the best thing to bring to a gunfight? A friend with a gun. Bring your friends, have them bring friends, and everyone bring a gun.

            • Pooch says:

              Worked for the Taliban. USM regularly lost gunfights in which they were outmanned and outgunned. The Hollywood stories of Special Forces slaughtering a massively larger number of enemy is complete fabrication for propaganda purposes.

        • Aidan says:

          Yup. There is precisely one shooting range in my urban county, at which there is always some cop trying to qualify or requalify, and it’s not like I’m a gunslinger myself but the blue gang is not sending its best, to put it lightly.

      • Cloudswrest says:

        One tank of gasoline is typically ~400 miles. Not many places this far from civilization unless you limit it to only big urban centers.

  17. notglowing says:

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/south-african-medical-association-says-omicron-variant-causes-mild-disease/articleshow/87949404.cms
    They’re saying the new variant is milder than the previous.
    That it is is not surprising, but if it does become part of the official narrative that is interesting.

    • Pooch says:

      Times of India is not Cathedral aligned.

      • someDude says:

        I might have to take exception to this. The Times of India is a subsidiary of the Times Group of London and is indeed Cathedral aligned. You should not compare the Times Group with the NYT. You should compare it to other publications in India.

        This might just be the Times group being separated by too much distance from the Cathedral. Or they might just be trying to get some Cathedral attention.

    • Fireball says:

      It is indeed true that it may be a more milder variant but the transmissibility is increasing more than the lethality is decreasing. Considering how dangerous covid-19 is we must keep vaccinating people.

      See how easy it is?

  18. notglowing says:

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/waukesha-blm
    The bail fundraiser for the black terrorist has received zero dollars, hilarious.

  19. Fireball says:

    Everyone already on par with the new covid variant? This one is called Omicron Destroyer of Vaccines, the excuse for more boosters and lookdowns.

    • Red says:

      Sundance of Conservatives Treehouse thinks they’re going to use lock downs to stop inflation by collapsing demand. The Market and Cryto sell off seems to agree with this assessment.

      https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/11/26/novavax-developing-vaccine-against-variant-that-appeared-72-hours-ago-will-be-ready-in-two-weeks-already-in-emergency-use-trials-in-indonesia-and-phillipines/

      • G.T. Chesterton says:

        Lockdowns brought forth gibs. Gibs plus lockdown-supply brought inflation. Therefore moar lockdowns stop inflation.

        They’re already laughing in our face about inflation. They don’t want it to stop.

      • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

        Collapsing demand doesn’t ‘stop’ inflation, it simply means you’ve added additional economic depression in concert with relative inflation.

        • Arqiduka says:

          Keeping everyone in will collapse demand, wich will lower inflation, easy peasy. If this was the reason (we printed so much but cant stop, how to prevent inflation?) , lockdowns wil work. Of course, the economy will go as well.

          • HerbR says:

            Keeping everyone in will collapse supply more than it collapses demand. Already has.

            That’s stagflation, as noted earlier – inflation plus depression.

            • Arqiduka says:

              True, but the first couple lockdowns impacted demand more than supply, due to the latter being resilient. Obviously you can’t keep doing this, as hits to the supply chain compound, and eventually you may well get a far bigger supply shock than demand shock, and massive inflation as a result (even if no one were printing at all). It would be a gamble, and an unnecessary one.

              If you are at the point were you cant control the money production (rather, they wont let you due to gibs) what does it matter if you push the advent of hyperinflation by half a year? Honestly, rationing would have a better chance of working.

              • HerbR says:

                From what source or data do you conclude that the first few lockdowns suppressed demand?

                All the evidence I saw was that demand was, at worst, redirected to other areas. There was obviously less demand for air travel and movie theaters, but demand for furniture, food, toilet paper, gym equipment, streaming services, etc. all skyrocketed. Amazon and Instacart have never been happier.

                This hypothesis is based on a whole lot of false premises, but the most glaring one in my mind is that it doesn’t actually collapse demand and we already know from multiple rounds that it doesn’t collapse demand. It collapses supply while doing very little to demand.

                • Pooch says:

                  Exactly right. People still buy shit on Amazon and Walmart, if not more shit.

                • Arqiduka says:

                  My source is my own two eyes in this case. That period saw major increases in monetary growth but little effect on prices. If you’ve a had a serious supply shock, you’d have seen massive infaltion. Not at all what I saw, stable prices all around, if not falling with oil for a bit. Obvious that the lockdown supressed demand then.

                  Now we see some prices increasing though not sure if this is due to too kuch money or too little production (oil) but moot point, lockdowns are on hold for now.

                • HerbR says:

                  My source is my own two eyes in this case. That period saw major increases in monetary growth but little effect on prices. If you’ve a had a serious supply shock, you’d have seen massive infaltion. Not at all what I saw, stable prices all around, if not falling with oil for a bit.

                  This sounds like less like anything you saw with your own two eyes and more like the result of reading useless official government statistics like the Consumer Price Index.

                  Unless you were one of the frightened little birdies who never left home during the big bad pandemic, then you aren’t being honest. You saw with your own two eyes what I saw with my own two eyes, Jim saw with his own two eyes and everyone else saw with their own two eyes. Supermarkets with tons of empty shelves – you especially couldn’t get flour, rice, toiletries or cleaning products. Certain weeks, on and off, when you couldn’t get most types of meat. Items on back-order forever – it took 3 months for me to get an ordinary barbell shipped, and the day after I got the shipping notification I noticed it was already on back-order again. And the service industry… good god, just try getting a roofer or plumber or appliance repairman to come out these days, it was never easy but these days you’ll be lucky to get a 1-month window.

                  Shortages mean that prices should be going up, but something other than supply and demand is preventing it. In other words, the prices are “sticky” and can’t simply float, for a variety of reasons: MSRPs, contracts negotiated months or years in advance, overall fragility of the supply chain, fear of inciting riots over “price gouging”, or just straight-up inability to comprehend the situation and belief that the supply will return to “normal”. Whatever the cause, it’s well known that prices are only adjusted after a shock (or several), and only begin to get adjusted more frequently when the shocks themselves become more frequent.

                  Jim has explained the movement, or lack of movement of sticky spot-market prices, repeatedly. It’s been the primary theme of at least three major posts in the past month. Did you miss all of them?

                  It’s not “obvious” that the lockdown suppressed demand because you looked at a few 5-year charts and didn’t see any massive blips. Empty shelves and perpetual back-orders are “obvious”. Regular water heaters costing $1200 is “obvious”. Lumber tripling in price at the hardware store is “obvious”. Let’s stop with the ridiculous counter-claims. These things do not happen unless either (a) there is an increase in demand or (b) there is a supply shortage without any contraction in demand.

                • Arqiduka says:

                  @HerbR,

                  I never once, not once in the thread challenged anyone’s answer of what is their own experience on purchasing power. Not once. I never claimed that anyone should not trust they own lying eyes. Always happy to end the convo when personal xp is compared, there is nothing more to say. Many others appear incapable to believe that mine is as I claim, but I never questioned anyone’s answer. So, you will take that back, as that is an obvious lie made in search of an easy point.

                  Now, I have not said this until now, but to me this is patently obvious: you do not know what you are talking about re macro. If a guy’s income remains constant and he keeps buying the same consumer goods whilst saving the same amount monthly, what does this tell us about the consumer price level? Further, what on earth does this have to do with nominal income (which you brought into this, although you do not reckognise it as such)? A guy’s personal income is no indication of aggregate income, but a guy’s personal level of experienced inflation is a guide (imperfect of course) to the broader economy’s level of inflation. Especially if one has misgiving about official CPI stats. So, I was always and at any time speaking of prices, cash flow is nowhere to be seen.

                  In general, I find your answer here needlessly confrontational, and frankly a bit nonsensical. Happy to let this go (you did make a valid point, whoever can read will know what is going on here), but stop making personal accusations.

                • jim says:

                  > I never once, not once in the thread challenged anyone’s answer of what is their own experience on purchasing power

                  Which is why most of the discussion was about the wider world, where we all should be seeing the same world – but strange to say, are not.

                  > If a guy’s income remains constant and he keeps buying the same consumer goods whilst saving the same amount monthly, what does this tell us about the consumer price level?

                  I flatly do not believe you to be buying the same consumer goods, because where their price has not risen markedly, availability has become markedly more difficult. I have just completed the most important parts of my Christmas shopping, and while in the end I got everything I wanted to buy, it was an uphill climb.

                  I think you are being elastic about “the same consumer goods” – when you run into difficulties, you postpone your purchase till “normality” returns. A lot people are doing that, and are sitting on increasing piles of fiat money to be spent when normality resumes.

                  Obviously lots of people are saving fiat money, because there is a lot more fiat money around. But they are not buying the same consumer goods unless they put substantial and quite noticeable effort into it.

                  And your definition of a consumer good seems to be strangely selective. Is gas not a consumer good? And I have been consuming quite a bit of lumber, and wound up paying more for some of it, doing significant bargain hunting for some of it, and significant substitution for some of it. Meat and bread are the archetypical consumer goods and I find it hard to believe you are paying the same price as always for them. Are cars not a consumer good?

                  Producer goods tend to be spot priced, and spot priced goods have suffered a general and substantial price rise. If producer goods go up, consumer goods are going to go up or be short, and we are seeing both.

                  Remember the flour shortage? I do. Supposedly hoarders, (and I was indeed attempting to buy in order to horde) but when supply resumed prices were higher and stayed higher. Therefore not hoarders. Now we are seeing shortages across the board. Supposedly each shortage is downstream of the chip shortage, or the shipping shortage, or, like new cars, both, or some other explanation specific to that particular shortage, but I also see shortages in all sorts of items that should not be affected by shipping or chips. Every retailer has a pile of unfulfilled back orders. When past shortages came and went, the shortage was resolved by a price rise. The shortage was a hidden price rise that in time became a visible price rise. Are these new shortages likely to be any different?

                • Arqiduka says:

                  @Jim,

                  Come on m8, I never said gas is not a consumer article. Obviously is, and the price is obviously higher, but is just one part of the basket. Indeed, I dare say that you yourself do not believe that gas prices are up because too much money, instead of too little production. Lumber too can be a consumer item, but is such small quantities that i happily ignore.

                  I made the case about the general situation in the world (as opposed to my own experience) exactly once, when challenged as to how could I know that lockdowns suppress demand. Inflation not being apocalyptic is the answer. Many challenged that, (after some meandering needed to grasp the connection) and claim that inflation is obviously very significant (and has been so since March 2020) and that CPI is shonk. To which I reply, leave CPI alone, what is your own experience, to which most here reply that very significant inflation matches their experience. At which point I’m satisfied that there is nothing more to talk about here, and drop the issue.

                  But now it seems that I cannot possibly be experiencing what I am, so instead of filing this as a normal case of people are experiencing things differently, I must be a shill, or lying (on which, make up your mind, am I or am I not), or irate that I was proven wrong by my betters, or have some other ulterior motive.

                  For God’s sake!

                • jim says:

                  > but is just one part of the basket.

                  And what else is the basket? House prices are up, rent is up, second hand cars are up and new cars are short, gas is up, meat is up, bread is up. There is your basket right there.

                  If the basket has remained roughly constant, other stuff in the basket must have fallen. Not seeing anything falling. It is short, or it’s up. You are telling me the basket has only risen roughly in line with the official consumer price index of five percent. What has gone down?

                • Arqiduka says:

                  @Jim,

                  As I said above, I don’t keep track of individual prices but just check my situation thrice monthly to see where I am at.

                  That being said, I will make an attempt here to satisfy your curiosity:

                  -rent, exactly the same in the last 3 years, to the cent
                  -gas, way up, but i don’t commute by car, so smaller effect than otherwise
                  -utilities, broadly the same, to the degree I can account for usage difference
                  -insurance, approx 5% increase per year
                  -groceries, about the same or as close to the same as i can make out. Can of tuna from 0.85 to 0.9, not that it matters but is the only price I can recall. Meat fluctuates, sometimes you don’t find what you’re after, but when you do is about the same price. pasta and bread the same or thereabouts, IIRC.

                  I do adjust my basket, when grocery shopping i wont get a third of the stuff unless is on sale, and stock when it is. But I cannot recall having dropped any item in the last two years becouse it just got too expensive to bother, or you can never find.

                  I wont vouch that CPI is correct (I have by beef with it), but I can confirm that my experience matches CPI within a reasonable distance, although any error is guaranteed to be upward bias instead of random walk.

                  Maybe we’re right on the cusp of very significant inflation, one that even I won’t be able to miss: but not seeing it yet, just business as usual.

                • jim says:

                  > -groceries, about the same or as close to the same as i can make out

                  I suspect you are not having roast beef too often. Did you used to have it more often?

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  Cattle are usually the last to sense unusual business. The more responsibility you have over higher orders of capital, the more sensitive you are to unusual business.

                • Arqiduka says:

                  @Jim,

                  Not often at all, not much to my liking, nor the wife’s for that matter.

                  Mince beef, pulled pork , beef and pork fillet and osso buco is where it’s at. Poultry and salmon too in about equal frequency, none of which show any obvious pressure OTOH (we do vary frequency when any acts up, of course, but no long term pattern).

                  You are allowed to sleep Çimo, I can assure you neither of us is going to solve inflation here.

                • Aryaman says:

                  The CPI has always been bad but has only very recently become shockingly and obviously meaningless.

                  I don’t know what you are seeing. Every price I pay attention to, every price I care about, is up between 20 and 200 percent. I pay attention to and care about a wide variety of prices, so it is scarcely possible that there is some special and unique supply disruption in the prices I pay attention to and care about and not everywhere else.

                  Prices up are not what will make us poorer but the fact that with prices up you and I have no idea what is and is not profitable. My stock portfolio is up 70 percent in the last 12 months but I don’t really have a clue as to what that means.

                • jim says:

                  > I don’t know what you [Arqiduka] are seeing. Every price I pay attention to, every price I care about, is up between 20 and 200 percent

                  Arqiduka tells us the cheaper cuts of meat are more to his liking.

                  I notice that what is to his liking is canned meat that has not gone up, but now contains less actual meat, and cuts of meat that are a lot more expensive than they used to be, but are still cheaper than the more expensive cuts of meat used to be.

                  He has not purchased a full tank of gas in a while, nor had roast beef in a while.

                  I have often remarked on how people fail to react to and seemingly fail to perceive female misconduct in the workplace.

                  Perhaps they sense that noticing that the new normal is different from the old normal and getting worse is not something one should notice. He says he is eating the same as he always has, but perhaps that is something he does not want to think about because getting poorer is low status and politically incorrect.

                • Aryaman says:

                  I don’t think that CPI mismeasurement is the prime culprit in the overstatement of living standards over the past 50 years.

                  Rather the problem is in measurement of nominal GDP. If I come to your house and threaten to burn it down if you do not pay me, your ransom is not included in the national accounts as a payment for the profitable exchange of value for value. Treating forced spending on education and healthcare as if they represent a profitable exchange of value for value is the primary culprit in the overstatement of living standards over the past 50 years.

                • Arqiduka says:

                  @Aryaman,

                  Nominal GDP is indeed the culprit, but that’s not the reason, at least not the key one. The key reason is really obvious once you think of it, I’ve written about it.

                  Not saying that forced spending isn’t an issue, or equivalent to free spending (as you assume in GDP accounting), but that’s a deep rabbit hole to delve into. What about payment to monopolies? What about thise who value stuff more than they oay for? Is the enjoyment you get out of tax spent on Healthcare less than half of what you’d get from freely spending on the same? Maybe. If not, you err less if you include them reagrdless.

                • jim says:

                  Compare the cost of healthcare as proportion of GDP with the cost in Singapore, which has a healthcare system in which most people pay the full price right out of their pocket at the receptionist’s desk or, often, the doctor’s desk, same as you pay any other expert. It is obvious that the standard of care in Singapore is way higher than in the US, while its cost is a tiny fraction of the cost – albeit the up front out of pocket cost is pretty harsh. When I say it is way cheaper, I meant as a fraction of GDP, not what you have to pay to see the doctor.

                  Though the price is not that bad. The hotel doctor showed up at my room when I needed him in Singapore. Try that in the US.

                  So, forced spending is a tiny fraction of the value of free spending. The doctor in the US is not going to come to you.

                  No rabbit hole. The difference between forced spending for which you supposedly receive some value, and thugs threatening to burn down your home if you do not pay ransom, is too small to make a significant difference to national accounts.

                  As for “monopolies”. What monopolies?

                • Aryaman says:

                  I get no enjoyment out of what I spend on health, and frankly do not know what exactly it is I spend on health because there are no prices, as it has been a long time since I have ever needed healthcare. The healthcare I have needed is the kind of healthcare that I would pay for with the ordinary cash in my wallet if I were in India.

                  In Singapore they spend 2 percent of income on healthcare. For nearly all intents and purposes, the healthcare you will get there is as good as the healthcare you will get here. So it is obvious that any excess over that amount is waste.

                  Truvada costs $2000 a month, and to the manufacturer represents nearly as much profit as that a month, a customer. But it is actually worth nothing because vanishingly few would actually pay with their own money $2000 a month. Protecting homsexuals from AIDS is worth nothing to me, and the charade of our national accounting is based on the premise that it is.

                  You do not need a big conspiracy about CPI when there is a lot of direct or indirect forced spending which adequately explains why living standards are not nearly as up as they should be. Women used to work at home more and do valuable stuff at home more, and that was not counted in GDP, and now do less valuable stuff at work now, and that is counted in GDP. Must also adjust for that.

                  It is not that I think the CPI has been a great measurement until recently. Rather, it’s useless to speak about an actual, abstract thing as “price level” as if it concretely exists. On the other hand it’s clear as day, that if such a thing as “price level” did exist, there is no damn way it is only up as much as they say it is up over the past year. So in that regard something has changed.

                • jim says:

                  > For nearly all intents and purposes, the healthcare you will get there is as good as the healthcare you will get here.

                  Hell no. Healthcare in Singapore is way better than in the US. The difference is like day and night, and frequently like life or death.

                  India is way cheaper than Singapore, but the private healthcare is inferior – but it is not that much inferior, in terms of value for money, you get a better deal than in India than you get in Singapore. But sometimes you care about value more than money, and the value in Singapore is way higher than India or America.

                  If you pay for private healthcare in India, you pay less than the US, and get comparable value, and better value for money, but it is plausibly claimed that US healthcare is better. Maybe it is, I would not know and it is hard to tell.

                • Aryaman says:

                  Healthcare is actually rather easy to do right, which is why aside from rather complicated and rare procedures which are in the aggregate not too worthwhile, it is easy to get for cheap with cash in places like India.

                  Efficient steel and semiconductors and airplanes and grocery stores are rather hard to do right, require vastly more coordination and benefit much more from an intelligent population, which is why you do not see so much of that in places like India.

                  If the white race fails, it will become a lot harder for domestic Indian airlines to acquire and maintain the Boeing 737s they fly, but it will mean rather little for the quality of healthcare there in the aggregate.

                  The veneration of healthcare as worthwhile spending, of healthcare practitioners as productive capitalists, is a cult. Psychiatry as a profession exists only because you cannot by Adderall on eBay, most nurses because it is nearly illegal to buy or lease an unregulated CPAP machine for home use which your wife learns how to operate just in case by watching YouTube videos.

                  Even if you accept that COVID is a big, horrible, terrible thing, walk into the hospital and you will see nothing intelligent being done that your wife trained properly could not do.

                • Aryaman says:

                  I was being generous in saying healthcare in Singapore is at least as good as what you get here (likewise generous in saying that Truvada is worth nothing to me).

                  From my experience, when they run into trouble, rich Indians either manage well enough with the healthcare available in India, or visit fancy doctors in the US. Do not hear much about going to Singapore.

                • jim says:

                  > rich Indians either manage well enough with the healthcare available in India, or visit fancy doctors in the US. Do not hear much about going to Singapore.

                  I think that going to America is Cathedral worship. If they want the best, should go to Singapore. But they go to the place blessed by the high priesthood of the Cathedral. It is far from clear that they are not better off with best Indian healthcare.

                • Arqiduka says:

                  Don’t have a strong view either way, whether we’d be closer to the truth if we completely ommited all govt spengind or not (assume only binary choices). Healthcare is easy to argue for, as is education. Police, judiciary and infrastructure is harder. I don’t know what the balance comes out as. Surely, this is country-specific.

                  Be that as it may, that is not the main culprit. Falling marginal utility is the key issue and unless you keep creating new stuff, just making more of the same gets you less and less bang for the buck. If by ignoring this obvious effect the official statistics indicate a doubling of standard of life since the ’70 IIRC, the truth would be stagnation, even leaving aside govy degradation.

              • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                > the first couple lockdowns impacted demand more than supply

                Whoever you read this from is lying to you on multiple levels.

                • Arqiduka says:

                  See my response to Pooch above, same.

                • Arqiduka says:

                  Apologies I meant to HerbR.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  My own two eyes saw no drop in consumerism during lockdowns; if anything, people were buying even more stuff while interred under house arrest.

                  The second level of this is that that has little to nothing to do with inflation anyways; reduced purchasing can mean sellers reducing prices to compete for a shrinking buyer pool, but this does not mean reduced inflation – the price fluctuations are themselves still under inflation.

                • Arqiduka says:

                  @Pseudo-Chrysostom,

                  M8, if you have a supply shock (which no one if doubting we had) and you prices dont increase across the board, something is lowering demand across the board (not just stabilising, actively supressing). I know of no other logical model, so I can with some confidence say thay the first lockdowns supressed demand beyond the wildest dreams of PTB, which may inspire the dumbest among them to try this shit again.
                  So, to claim that lockdowns did not so far supress demand you have to make AT LEAST ONE of the following claims:

                  -there was obvious inflation between march 2020 and march 2021.
                  – there was no sigificat disruption to supply chains in the same peruod.

                  I cannot make any of these claims, hence lockdowns supressed demand.

                • jim says:

                  Hey, don’t you remember all the complaints about people hoarding toilet paper and stuff?

                  I remember empty shelves all over the place. No toilet paper. No bread flour. No rice. If anything the situation has eased for common goods like toilet paper, rice and flour, but considerably worsened for specialty goods. I am guessing that the supply chains for standardized commodity goods have small stockpiles relative to demand, small stock to flow ratio, so the shock hit them first.

                  It is plausible that the lockdowns suppressed demand for specialty goods where people don’t have to regularly buy a certain quantity of those goods, but those are goods where you can generally delay buying them for a while, but eventually you are going to buy them, which is now happening.

                  If the lockdowns suppressed demand, we would not see shortages.

                • Arqiduka says:

                  @Jim,

                  Not sure if this was meant for me, but I’ll assume you meant a reply to my claim that somehow supply issues were minor.

                  Not at all what I meant (see above that I insist there were significant
                  suplly issues my argument relies on it) but the examples you bring are obviously not indicative of supply disruption: TP was a massive increase in demand for that one good, nothing to do with either agg demand or supply disruptions.

                  Apologies if replying to a point made with reference to someone else.

                • jim says:

                  There was no massive increase in demand for toilet paper. At least not until after it ran out and everyone then realized that they needed to stockpile.

                  And it was not just “that one good”. I saw shortages across the board. After the toilet paper panic, there were the this, that, and the other panics – which panics were well founded.

                  You always hear the cry about hoarders when state intervention breaks supply chains. It is never true, and it certainly was not true this time around. No one thought toilet paper was going to run out until it did.

                • Arqiduka says:

                  @Jim,

                  Yet another point were we masisvely disagree re lives experience. I noticed no supply issues re TP, just people panic buying masisve quantities for some reason (used to joke about it to no end). You’ll probably say I was brainwashed by the narrative into not noticing the apparently massive supply chain issues on this one good, but blaming silly panic-buyers though.

                • jim says:

                  I would go to the shops for common commodity goods, and they just were not there. That has eased now for common commodity goods, but always I noticed empty shelves first, then panic, then outrage about hoarders, in that order.

                  That was simply my experience when shopping. Now that has eased substantially, and commodity prices have risen substantially, but specialty goods are crunching hard. If the same pattern continues for specialty goods, they should shoot up too, and we should soon hear more official denials of inflation, and more media accounts telling us that we are not experiencing inflation.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  You can consider the fact that sellers can simply be resistant to selling prices in any case, even if there are very good arguments for a business owner in most sectors to raise prices right now, and in some sectors raise them a great deal.

                  A lot of folk are still in denial about the devaluation of the currency right now – and a lot of them additionally sense that it is socially expected for them to be in denial about it.

                • Arqiduka says:

                  @Pseudo-Chrysostom,

                  Ah a bridge too far for me. Not saying that inertia never is a thing, but that the Fed pumped up the press to the degree Jim highlighted recently, AND some good became harder to come by AND sellers somehow managed to keep inventory while not raising prices to fend off the hordes of byuers with hot money on their hand, but somehow NOW they are happy to increase said prices is… a bit too far. Oh, lest I forget, that NO SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF PEOPLE LOST THEIR JOBS (hence spent less) on top of ot all!

                  I’ll stick to my theory, money became hot, supply chains came under pressure but lockdowns kept most of that money from chasing the fewer goods.

                  Again, not saying that it will work again. You may get the mother of all supply shocks next time, I hope they are ready to buy back trillions of dollars lol.

                • Guy says:

                  @Arqiduka: what level of price increases would you consider significant? The money that’s being created is going to entities that use it to purchase things like real estate, the price of which increased dramatically in the timeframe during which you say no significant inflation occurred. The customers of the favored entities are the first areas price increases occur.

                  There are supply shocks, caused by businesses flush with cash emptying inventories, as businesses attempt to replace those inventories, and find them being bought up faster than they could ever produce them, they raise the price of the goods they’re selling. Supply shocks with other causes would not serve to increase all prices, rather they would cause decreases in some prices due to decreased demand for goods in the areas that were affected by the supply side shock.

                  What is your theory on inflation? You sound an economics teacher looking at optimizing supply and demand curves in a Keynesian framework. Prices are increasing everywhere everyone can see, where do you see prices falling to compensate?

                • Aidan says:

                  John is right, as your two eyes a year and a half ago should have informed you. Empty shelves under lockdowns. Consumerism did not decline at all- the pandemic collapsing demand is a cathedral lie and excuse for empty shelves.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Demand for gasoline and other fuel went down because people were travelling less, almost everything else was supply destruction.

                • Arqiduka says:

                  @Aidan,

                  Non sequitur: the cathedral claiming that lockdowns kept a lid on demand would imply a claim of no great inflation, hence a claim of no reason for shelves to be empty. If demand was kept under check, they’d need another reason to explain empty shelves, so to claim that lockdowns kept demand down is to do the cathedral a disservice. Not that it matters.

                  @Guy,

                  My theory of inflation is everyone’s theory, a genral increase in prices of consumer goods, which omit asstet bubbles ofc. Now, i have my beef with CPi as we all do but having no better alternative to propose I take what i can get. Funny though how money printing cannot possibly lead to inflation then, but it obviously is leading to inflation now, right?

                  @Cominator,

                  Can’t really argue with a matter of liver experience. I find that the same wage I’ve been on for a few years is getting me the same stuff it always did. Maybe your xp says otherwise.

                  In general I find it extremely funny that a minor point of technical interest only (did lockdowns stiffle demand?) Got a relatively material back and forth here.

                • jim says:

                  > Now, i have my beef with CPi as we all do but having no better alternative to propose I take what i can get.

                  Nuts

                  Arguing from the cpi is like arguing from Soviet statistics that communism was a huge success.

                  The cpi is simply an absolutely obvious lie. If we look at the lifestyles of people in the late fifties, the very early sixties, the most recent period of American prosperity, back when a young working class man could afford a wife, a car, and a house with garden, and everyone aspired to a quarter acre block, a stay at home wife, and kids, that the cpi is way out of line.

                  And if we use our mark one eyeballs, and recollect prices from a couple of years back, it is equally obvious that the cpi has gone a lot further out of line.

                  The cpi is just absurd, and over the last couple of years, the rate at which it has become ever more absurd has accelerated dramatically.

                • Arqiduka says:

                  @Jim,

                  So, your beef with CPI is in principle (mine is and I have no better principle) or in the nitty-gritty of calcs (remove energy, limit this, apply this set of weights)? You sound like you mean the latter, in which case it’s not at all what i’m discussing: deem it as you wish, do you find that the same wage got you fewer things during the fisrt year of the pandemic? I find not by any observable margin fir me personally, hence I claim no obvious inflation back then, hence something must have counteracted the money printing and supply shocks. I don’t even know what the numbers were tbh.

                  Also, inflation b3ing high in the ’50 tells us nothing at all of prosperity without reference to wages growth. Happy to discuss but better to open a new heading if so, we are way to deep by now (otoh, not many would care to read)

                • jim says:

                  According to official statistics, the ordinary American man in 1960 was astonishingly poor by modern standards. Quite obviously he was not. The cpi grossly understates the extent that prices have risen since 1960, by a factor of around five or so. Official cpi statistics are just obviously silly and absolutely unbelievable if you look at living standards then and income then.

                  It is obviously unbelievable that living standards have risen enormously since 1960, and debatable whether they have risen at all.

                  Plus I just walk into the supermarket and I can see that recent inflation is one hell of a lot more than five per cent per annum.

                • Arqiduka says:

                  @Jim,

                  I agree that gains in standard of life are overstated, I wrote about it myself. But this is not an issue with CPI but nominal GDP calcs.

                  As for prices in the supermarket that’s skitting around a direct question that is unlike you: do you or don’t you find that the same wage gets you about the same stuff as it did before the pandemic? I find that it does, leave stats aside.

                • jim says:

                  Well I find that it does not, and I find it hard to believe you do.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Calling it the “pandemic” raises my alarm…

                • Arqiduka says:

                  @Cominator,

                  Yeah, fair point. I frequent several fora and am too lazy to change my vocabulary from what is considered neutral elsewhere. Looks bad though, I freely admit. The shitshow is the better term. So, what are we doing, Soros?

                • Arqiduka says:

                  @Jim

                  Cool, won’t argue with that any longer, but I’d appreciate if you credit my honesty to the degree I credit yours.

                • HerbR says:

                  I credit you with honestly using (and maybe honestly believing) a laughably dishonest price aggregate. To label that as using one’s “own two eyes” is, if not dishonest, then gullible in the extreme.

                  It’s not so much as a “beef with CPI” as a wholesale rejection. You may as well be citing Santa Claus or magical unicorn fairies as the source of price information.

                  And who says it’s the best we have? There are plenty of better signals even for those who refuse to use their own two eyes. There’s the Big Mac Index, the iPod Index, even the debt-to-GDP ratio (GDP being significantly dishonest, but much more difficult than CPI to fabricate from whole cloth).

                  Lockdowns did not suppress demand, could not and cannot suppress demand, only shift it to other industries and producers. This is no trifling issue, it is fundamentally a question on whether or not Keynes-Fischer Macroeconomics actually works and whether the government can control “aggregate supply” and “aggregate demand” on a dime: spoiler, it doesn’t, and it can’t, and we’re swimming in the proof.

                • Pooch says:

                  Arqiduka seems like a shill.

                • Arqiduka says:

                  @Pooch,

                  Offer some odds on that, I’d like to see how well calibrated you are on such things. Say, 80% sure I’m a shill? 50%

                • jim says:

                  Aqiduka, your inability to respond to our actual position is shill like. None of your responses acknowledge that everyone here thinks that the consumer price index has long been fake, and that in the last year or so it has suddenly very rapidly started to get more fake, faster. You are responding as if I was quibbling about the details of how it is calculated, rather than I said that they just pull it out of their asses.

                  That the supposed evidence of your own eyes disagrees with the evidence of my eyes is also suggestive. Are your eyes looking at the goods on the counter when you put your money down on the counter, or looking at official reality?

                • Arqiduka says:

                  @Jim,

                  Well, I do take a bit of an offence at this, because much is demonstrably false.

                  I acknowledged and repllied to every relevant point made here which, to remind folks, was on wether lockdowns supressed aggregate demamd or not. At some point, you notice you’re ralking past ea h othet and that people start getting annoyed, and you drop the issue. All the points I’ve made obviously stand, i thinks anyone versed in the field would agree.

                  As to CPI, I don’t care what yoyu or others thisnk of it because I specificaly went by peope’s lived experience. I don’t know or care about what official numbers say, so not a salient point at all in this thread. Only interested in it in the rare case that someone here had a better approach in mind.

                  As to xp, what to say, I know what i’m saving up monthly and its about the same. Not for you, and this is fine, i don’t have an issue with this. You seem to though.

                  I entirely reject this characterisation as obviously false. I think you know so too.

                • jim says:

                  > I specificaly went by peope’s lived experience

                  Other people seem to be living a different experience.

                  The lived experience at the petrol pump resembles the lived experience of anyone buying any spot priced commodity good, such as lumber, and sticky priced goods are getting harder to find. When they are easy to find, they have already gone up. Shortages are hidden inflation, and we are seeing a whole lot of shortages. Your dollar is still being debased if it cannot buy stuff at the official price, which debasement manifests as delaying the purchase till “normality returns” or buying from scalpers. When normality in that good does return, you will find the list price has risen.

                  Stuff that is short comes on sale from time to time, and sale price resembles the old list price, but not the old sale price, and you need to be quick off the mark. I just got the last air fryer that was on sale, and the price was fine and I was happy, but two years ago I would have thought that a list price, not a sale price, and would not have been all that happy. Also I had been trying to buy that air fryer for months, and it was unavailable anywhere at any price. Plus they did not want me to buy that air fryer – they wanted me to buy some other air fryer. It was a teaser to get people into the shop. In the next few days, lots of people will be coming into the shop, asking for that air fryer, and they will not get it. The sale is still on but the teasers are running out.

                  Everyone knows about the chip shortage, but it is not a chip shortage – the problem is general with sticky priced goods, some more, some less. When I buy any brand name electronics, either list prices have risen, or I am paying scalper prices on Ebay, or I spend the whole day hunting for a retailer who has it at list, and every retailer tells me he has it on back order.

                  I am spending a hell of a lot more time hunting for goods that just are not there than I used to, and for spot priced goods, steel, lumber, fuel, meat, I am paying substantially higher prices.

                  > I acknowledged and repllied to every relevant point made here.

                  No you did not. you reframed those points as if the person making the point accepted the official narrative, resulting in a lot of repetitive waste of space and talking at cross purposes.

                  You would acknowledge a point that was fundamentally different from the point in fact made, and then your interlocutor would repeat his original point, and you would again acknowledge a point different from that he had made, and just made all over again.

                • Arqiduka says:

                  @Jim,

                  And I imagine lumber and copper are such large parts of your purchases as a consumer [/sarcasm]. You keep doing this, “oh, look at this specific price here”. Not relevant, this is: do you find you can buy abou the same with the same wage or not. Individyal prices fluctuate, you adjust you habits as you must. Nothing else is relevant. You (eventually) answered no, so that settles it. But don’t keep coming back to irrelevant points. Be the responsivness you want to see in the world [/joke].

                • jim says:

                  > And I imagine lumber and copper are such large parts of your purchases as a consumer [/sarcasm].

                  Lumber is a substantial part of my purchases. I have not purchased copper in a while, but when shopping for other metals I noticed it was just not there, so I have no idea what is happening to its price. Lumber, like fuel, is hurting me. Been using galvanized steel more.

                  I am paying about double what I am used to paying for meat, and I buy a lot of meat.

                  Some businesses have stockpiles of recycled timber, and have not yet realized that they should have raised the prices on it.

                  > do you find you can buy abou the same with the same wage or not.

                  No I cannot. This year I have spent a lot more than last year, and, because of shortages and because of genuine uncertainty among both buyers and sellers as to what prices are reasonable and realistic, spent a lot more time and effort trying, frequently unsuccessfully, to buy stuff.

                  My cost of living, the amount of money I spend just to do the things I am accustomed to doing, has unambiguously risen substantially. Money is going out substantially faster than I am accustomed to. I want a roast, and it costs nearly twice as much as I am accustomed to paying.

                  The uncertainty we are seeing about reasonable and realistic prices is making it difficult to do business, difficult for the ordinary shopkeeper, and difficult for the ordinary consumer.

                  It is impacting bookkeeping. You buy some goods, and sell them for substantially more than you paid for them – but discover you are selling them for less than the cost of replacing them. Did you make a profit or a loss? This is biting small businesses, and it is biting big businesses worse. Money has functions four, a medium, a measure, a standard, a store. The shortages are fiat money failing as a medium of exchange. Price uncertainty and book keeping troubles are it failing as a measure of value. People who are still using it as a standard for deferred payments and a store of value are likely to get burned, because such use presupposes usefulness as a medium and a measure, and usefulness as a medium and a measure has obviously, visibly, and undeniably deteriorated.

                • HerbR says:

                  And I imagine lumber and copper are such large parts of your purchases as a consumer [/sarcasm].

                  As Starman would say: “urbanite detected”.

                  Many, many homeowners do buy lumber and copper. I recently bought lumber for a deck expansion, and copper – well, what is your home wired with? I have several hundred dollars worth (today’s valuation) of various gauges and colors of copper wire and that’s “just in case”, not counting what I actually spent on installed wiring.

                  Extension cords are copper. Have you bought an extension cord recently? Did you notice the price? Was it cheap?

                  You keep doing this, “oh, look at this specific price here”

                  How about you tell us what hasn’t either been going up in price or into supply shortages? So far you’ve been surprisingly vague on details, given your complaints that other people are going into too much.

                  We’ve established that it’s not cleaning products, toiletries, lumber, auto parts, farm/garden equipment, computer/network equipment, meat, poultry, fish, major appliances, exercise equipment, industrial metals, electrical components, or contract hours for a skilled trade. So what the hell else have you been buying that’s been consistently available at normal historical prices? Craft burgers at restaurants that were already applying an 85% markup?

                  Give us something verifiable, not just “LGTM”.

                • Arqiduka says:

                  @HerbR,

                  Urbanite confirmed m8, yo could have just asked.

                  I’m not trying to be vague, that’s how I keep track of spending: not itemized, just check the evolution of savings. I wouldn’t even know what prices are going up or down (gas is up, but now is going back down, that’s about what I recall), I know the aggregate effect on my household. So far, so good.

                  I don’t doubt your experience and Jim’s is as you indicate, but you seem unable to grant that mine could be as I say (although we live in different countries, with all probability).

                  The funny thing is that I’m not even arguing that inflation isn’t around the corner (I have even odds on that, maybe it is), I am just arguing that inflation wasn’t noticably higher than trend in the year started March 2020. I’m not even arguing about now, never was.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  > do you find you can buy abou the same with the same wage or not.

                  You can’t.

                  Sometimes because the prices are higher; sometimes because the prices are nominally the same, but the dollar itself is less valuable; sometimes because the advertised prices are nominally the same but, you can’t buy it, because it literally is not available for buying.

                • HerbR says:

                  I know the aggregate effect on my household. So far, so good.

                  At least that’s something specific, albeit wrong.

                  I’ll tell you why it’s wrong: because you are conflating cash flow with demand. It’s a basic Econ 101 fail. Cash flow is a function of settlements, that is the intersection of supply and demand, not one or the other in isolation.

                  So you’ve kept to a household budget. Great. But have you been buying the same stuff in the same quantities, or have you been buying cheaper stuff, or not buying some stuff at all because it is not available?

                  If we start with an assumption of efficient markets, meaning Laffer maximum, then stable or increased demand combined with a steep decline in supply will lower the revenue/cash flow even as it raises prices. That is why the Laffer maximum is a maximum or optimum.

                  Your own household’s aggregate spending is not a strong indicator of aggregate price (imagining hypothetically that such a thing exists) and even if it did, that would not be a strong indicator of aggregate demand. If you only look at aggregate sales figures, then a severe supply shortage looks exactly like a demand collapse – at least until the prices are adjusted and/or scalpers are included in the equation.

                • Arqiduka says:

                  @HerbR,

                  behaviour of volume of transaction (aggregate income, whatever you like) is very interesting, but completely besides the point of what is being discussed here. We are only discussing prices, not price times volume. Prices.

                  When I say that my own savings are growing at about the same rate, I do not bring this as an indication of my income being the same. This would be no indication at all of income at large, but prices are.

                  My income is the same, but I say this only to argue that, since that is the case, and since I have been buying about the same things (some you cant find at a particular week, but this has been the case since I can remember at Coles), prices must an average be about the same, consistent with the usual annual rate of inflation.

                  I will say this about the ability of many here to keep things focused on topic: it can be improved upon.

                • jim says:

                  > my own savings are growing at about the same rate

                  My savings are diminishing at an alarmingly increased rate.

                  If you speak the truth, you may well have adjusted to diminished supply of sticky priced items by postponing purchase until things “return to normal”. You may be saving increasingly worthless money, while failing to acquire goods. It is obvious that a great many people are doing that.

                  I earlier remarked have “you filled up gas tank lately”. Have you purchased a roast lately? The price of wheat, rice, and flour has spiked . They have spiked before, but every commodity good is spiking simultaneously, which makes it unlikely that these are just temporary spikes caused by particular events in particular industries. Rent is up, food is up, fuel is up, housing prices are up. Bread is the very emblem of the cost of living.

                  Since I do not expect things to return to normal, I instead considerably increased my efforts to acquire goods that were not always easy to obtain and while I experience plenty of painful inflation in spot priced, second hand, and scalper priced goods, the major cost to me has been increased effort needed for acquisition of sticky priced goods.

                  For me, the major impact has not been rising prices as such, but diminished utility of fiat money as a medium of exchange.

                  But someone who thinks prices will return to “normal”, and supply will return to normal at the old prices, is going to go on the waiting list for a new car, or the waiting list for a new video card, rather than buy a second hand car at prices that are considerably higher than they used to be, or a scalper price for a video card, thus his savings will increase. And if he finds that lumber has gone up a lot, he will postpone his building project, rather than just pay, or find substitutes for lumber, or find a merchant with a stockpile of old second hand timber who has not yet realized that he is sitting on a pot of gold.

                • Pooch says:

                  Inflation is not uniform. It varies from product to product. There has not been much inflation on food at least not yet. Large purchases like houses and cars? Massive inflation that is not at all in line with previous trends.

                • Arqiduka says:

                  @Pooch,

                  indeed its not uniform, one of the many issues of inflation. And I agree with your assessment there, except that housing does not go into CPI: rent or cost of mortgage does, and I think those are about the same. Assets prices are not accounted for.

                  Cars yes, but how often you get a new one? As opposed to your grocery?

                • Arqiduka says:

                  @Jim,

                  Completely OT, but I’ll go ahead and poke you anyway. Your inability to entertain the idea that someone’s experience may be different from yours in an honest way is worrying for a guy who should be Grand Inquisitor.

                • jim says:

                  “oh it is just fuel”

                  “oh it is just fuel and lumber”

                  “oh it is just fuel, lumber, and metals”

                  “oh it is just fuel, lumber, metals, and meat”

                  “oh it is just fuel, lumber, metals, meat, and second hand cars. And second cars hand cars don’t matter because anyone affluent puts his name on the waiting list for a new car”

                  “oh it is just fuel, lumber, metals, meat, second hand cars, and housing, and bread, and rice and …”

                  You don’t seem like a shill, but what you are seeing in the wider world differs from what I am seeing in the wider world, which inclines me to doubt that your lived experience is different from mine. You might have a different lived experience, but you should not be seeing a different wider world.

                  You claim your savings are increasing at about the same rate – which is likely true, because a lot of people’s savings are increasing. If there is more fiat money around, some people obviously will have more fiat money. But their capacity to translate that money into goods, such as buying a car, has obviously diminished. For second hand cars because the price has gone up, for new cars, there is a waiting list.

                  And for second hand lumber, because I cleaned out the last of it in a warehouse near me, from a merchant who when he replenishes his stockpile will likely find he sold it to me for less than the cost of replacement.

                • HerbR says:

                  We are only discussing prices, not price times volume. Prices.

                  We were discussing prices. Then you informed us that contrary to our dozens of examples of actual organic prices, your one and only synthetic price signal was “computed” from some vague derivatives of your household spending/budget. And I explained why that is not a valid way of determining prices: it includes confounding factors that are themselves related to inflation, such as supply shortfalls.

                  Savings is the same as profits, is the same as cash flow over time. Tells us nothing about prices unless you drill down into the cash flow and look at individual expenses.

                  When I say that my own savings are growing at about the same rate, I do not bring this as an indication of my income being the same.

                  Who said anything about income, at any point in time?

                  I will say this about the ability of many here to keep things focused on topic: it can be improved upon.

                  Yes. It can. It’s like you’re not reading our replies to you at all.

                  I will go on record and say I don’t believe you’re a shill. What I am seeing is like what I always see when someone is on the verge of realizing that they’ve said or done something dumb, but cognitive dissonance kicks in and completely rewrites everything they hear and read into irrelevant nonsense.

                  Therefore we are the ones depending on unreliable evidence, we are the ones failing to understand basic economics, we are the ones who can’t stay on topic, we are the ones ignoring our lyin’ eyes. Definitely not you.

                  But it’s getting old now, and I think I’ve made my point clearly enough to anyone who might have been on the fence.

      • Fireball says:

        The lookdowns are really only been done to fuck with the peasants and the economy with the added bonus of some people getting a lot of status and money from al of this.

      • Mr.P says:

        Sundance is great on the Uniparty, IC 4th branch of gov’t, MSM, substantiating his hypotheses with reproducible factual forensic evidence (e.g., he did yeoman’s work blowing up Russia collusion / FISAgate in 2017), but he swims way out of his lane, has a deficient miniaturized mental model of reality, when it comes to finance, economics, and recently inflation.

      • HerbR says:

        I hope that by now, everyone has learned or is learning to approach these “intelligent design” theories with extreme skepticism.

        Conservatives – that is, the people who still call themselves conservatives and therefore who haven’t really learned anything from the past 20 years – are especially prone to this conspiratorial thinking, and it is literally driving them crazy. They are sure that there must be clear logical reasons why governments are doing what they’re doing. Because why? Because they just have to be, the world doesn’t make sense otherwise. So we get asinine theories like the Great Reset and nutbars talking about a global-depopulation agenda.

        Perhaps in a metaphysical or spiritual sense, it could be said that the demons our leaders have summoned do in fact have such agendas. But in the real, human world, there is no coherent agenda, no one in charge has any idea how to fix anything or even what the real problems are, new committees are formed every day and slide into irrelevance in a matter of weeks, and everyone is defecting on everyone else in order to try to save their status and consolidate whatever little scraps of power they have. The vaxxers aren’t trying to kill or injure anyone with their stupid shots, they’re just stupid, status-seeking NPCs who Trust the Science ™ because it gives them status, or they think it does, and Trusting the Science means they have to be in a perpetual state of panic, or at least appear to be so in public. The lockdowns are the same thing, but with an economic rather than health impact.

        There is no agenda. There is no “they”. There are N factions fighting for dominance today and N+1 tomorrow. The days of elite cohesion in the west are long over.

        • The Cominator says:

          ” So we get asinine theories like the Great Reset”

          Jim this guys a shill. “The Great Reset” isn’t a theory they had a full issue of Newsweek saying thats what at least some of the Davos crew wanted to do.

          • alf says:

            Of course idea of the great reset is real. Grab your copy now from Davos honcho Klaus ‘Rothschild’ Schwab.

            But it is a very good point not to grant these people more status than they deserve. They’re a bunch of idiots moving around imaginary armies on the map. It is a mass shared delusion. They can no more pull off a great reset than my kid can pull off an extra hour of tv by throwing a tantrum.

            • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

              I think you are both saying the same thing about the inability of the elite to operate at scale. Their lack of cooperation leads to delusions of power. They think of themselves as grand chessmasters, but in reality they are flailing children. The Great Reset might be feasible with a cooperative elite, no matter how disastrous it would end up being, but it is simply not doable with the elite class in the state that it is in. Elite cohesion is over in the West, and it is getting more and more obvious by the day.

            • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

              The problem is not whether it is something they can actually ‘pull off’, no more than any other gnostic revolutionary in history has ever actually ‘pulled off’ the fever dreams of his ideology; the problem is that it is something they are and are going to try pulling off, in any case and at all hazards.

              • The Cominator says:

                Exactly. Of course their plan is unworkable and retarded, but that doesn’t mean it’s not the plan.

              • alf says:

                no more than any other gnostic revolutionary

                I think they are deserving of less fear than many gnostic revolutionaries of the past.

                I am not scared of being sent to a gulag, or of the state putting a gun to my head. They just don’t have the competence. Whenever I tune into the mainstream narrative, fear is just not my dominant emotion. I’m just baffled by the increasing stupidity. I feel brain cells dying.

                They really are like a child throwing a tantrum. And yes, they are unfortunately a big and fat child and they’ll wreck the house good, but I’m just not making any more of it.

              • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                It is not pushback on saying they are not powerful, it is pushback on saying they are not *responsible*; the tendency to look at states of affairs as ‘acausal’ or ‘agentless’ phenomena.

          • Kunning Drueger says:

            The fact that you go running to daddy instead of responding to his assertions is a big red flag of personal enmity. Herb has provided excellent comments, and before your priestly rat brain even thinks to assert another asinine accusation, he was one of those that absolutely eviscerated me over a dumb post and a weak will. Don’t be a bitch, TC.

            • The Cominator says:

              Sorry but saying there is no faction that wants global bugmen communism aka the great reset (and calling it an asinine theory) when it had a full issue in Newsweek brings my alarm up immediately.

              It sounds like something an NPC late night unfunny “comedy” host would say.

              Also yes there is a they at least as far as the media is concerned, it’s just almost impossible to find out who they are.

            • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

              Nah, you have to be a potato not to recognize the Great Reset as a plan, or at least a goal. They have not exactly been shy about it. The WEF has videos and literature about it, often specifically calling it by name. It is pretty fucking suspicious to call it a theory, as if to compare it to 9/11 truthers.

            • simplyconnected says:

              The Cominator is right, the great reset is obviously a plan of at least some faction. They themselves put it out in the open. To deny that the plan exists is ridiculous.

              • jim says:

                Lots of plans exist, and are being implemented. Their problem is that have rather too many large conspiracies, and rather too many conspirators. The error is thinking that there is one big tightly disciplined conspiracy. There are several big tightly disciplined conspiracies, not all of them all that tightly disciplined, and all of them engaging in entryism against each other, as some of them are engaging in entryism against us.

              • jim says:

                The Great Reset is a powerful and primarily European/Davos conspiracy with a core of literal demon worshipers who worship the beast with seven heads and ten horns of the Book of Revelations. They regard “Revelations” as a prophesy of the revival of European empire, and make blood sacrifices on altars to the beast, or at least on one altar. Sensing the American empire falling, they want to have the seat of empire in Europe. The people in the driver’s seat in Washington are not too keen on a conspiracy premised on the fall of American empire.

                A bigger problem is literal Covid worship, where they worship a demon whom they may believe to be merely metaphorical.

                There a lot of Jews in the Great Reset conspiracy, as there are a lot of Jews in every similar conspiracy, but it is not Jewish conspiracy, nor a Judaic derived heresy like Marxism. Marxism is a post Judaic heresy derived from Judaism, heavily influenced by the post Christian heretics that Cromwell crushed. The great reset is a Christian derived heresy, like Woke or Wicca.

                • The Cominator says:

                  It’s more in Europe yeah but they have agents in the American elite (Fauci especially) so it’s not entirely impotent here.

          • HerbR says:

            My my, you sure were quick to play the shill card for this one issue. I can specifically recall a time during my lurking period when the hype around the Great Reset was viewed with extreme suspicion here and, if my memory is correct, Jim even put a soft ban on people discussing it.

            Of course the Great Reset idea is real. Build Back Better is real. The Kyoto Protocol is real. Russiagate was real. The Deep State and Surveillance State are real. Malthusian tards pushing depopulation are real. The Rockefellers and Rothschilds and Gateses are real, albeit mostly irrelevant, people. George Soros and his gigantic Open Society web is real. Epstein obviously didn’t kill himself, and people in possession of evidence against the Clintons have a curious habit of “suicide”. There are plenty of actual pederasts and Satanists among the elite, although they probably don’t keep kidnapped boys locked in a cellar underneath a popular public pizza joint. You can find no shortage of “serious academics” on the left openly discussing how the rest of us plebs should eat bugs, race-mix until everyone is brown, and pay 90% income tax for the privilege, assuming we’re even allowed to have an income.

            What’s dumb and crazy is getting obsessed with one or two of these groups or ideas and interpreting everything that happens in the world as tying back to it somehow, by way of a single-minded, hyper-competent and extremely well-coordinated elite, when all current evidence points away from such elite cohesion. There are in reality a thousand different conspiracies being pursued by a thousand and one different groups, most of which are idiotic and not taken seriously by the other nine hundred and ninety-nine, and those that have broad appeal among the left will get watered down by 6 steering committees and delayed by 258 pre-planning pre-meetings. What does make it past the red tape is standard applecart-tipping – lawfare, rioting, iconoclasm, shakedowns and so on.

            It’s the childlike hope that if we can just identify the uber-conspiracy and the people behind it – the dragon – and find some unlikely hero to slay it, then everything will be right with the world again. If only it were that easy. We obviously shouldn’t ignore evil people and evil ideas, but we can still be grownups about it and make a realistic assessment of their competence, capabilities and odds of succeeding.

            • The Cominator says:

              I didn’t say we could find out who the ultimate they are, ive gone nearly mad trying to find that out but with no luck. The top of the pyramid does not show their face ever… nor did I say they are all that competent at managing all the moving parts (they control the media fairly cohesively though).

              If I were emperor of the US I could find out, I would start torturing and executing families that are obviously connected to the top until I got the information I needed. But I don’t have that capability now.

              • Pooch says:

                The media is part of the Cathedral (along with the universities and the public schools).

                • The Cominator says:

                  The US and other western mainstream media is under the kind of tight central control the kind people who are grand unified theorists posit.

                  The controlling organ is not visible but its obviously there.

                • Pooch says:

                  Yes this is why we call it the Cathedral.

              • HerbR says:

                This wasn’t about you, or what you did or didn’t say. I was pointing out the folly of Conservative Treehouse, Anonymous Conservative and similar blogs and pundits.

                There is no top of the pyramid, though. There are the tops of a thousand pyramids, and because none of them are able to wield absolute power, some assume that that all those thousand pyramids are all part of one much bigger pyramid that does have a top. But they aren’t. The structure of the system simply makes it impossible to wield absolute power without opposing the system, which would of course immediately alert the rest of the system and elicit a purge.

                So what you get is people and institutions like George Soros, Harvard, the New York Times, Michael Mann, Anthony Fauci and so on, all ruling dictatorially over their sad little pyramids but unable to take anyone else’s pyramid, or even make a lateral move.

                You will always go crazy trying to search for something that isn’t there.

                • Pooch says:

                  Harvard/New York Times is at the top (the Cathedral) who delegates power to the “experts” of specific areas of expertise. One such example is the head virologists being delegated power over policy on viruses. This explains Fauci’s strange ability to predict the future on covid restrictions.

                • HerbR says:

                  Harvard cannot directly mobilize force, and the New York Times only questionably so – i.e. they could try to incite a riot but can’t reliably deploy troops.

                  So, Harvard has outsized influence over other organs of the Cathedral, but it does not govern the Cathedral. If we drove tanks into Harvard Yard tonight, then Yale would be calling the shots tomorrow, and if Yale then disappeared in a mushroom cloud tomorrow night then Princeton would be writing policy next week.

                  And if the New York Times decided overnight that its front page would start featuring articles from Jim’s Blog, then every downstream copypasta media outlet and Wikipedia would quickly rule it Non-Authoritative and switch their primary source to be the Washington Post or LA Times.

                  Interaction between system components is governed by trust and consent, which ironically is what is gradually destroying the system as components become increasingly likely to defect on each other. But there is still a significant difference between a component acting erratically and a component completely malfunctioning or “going rogue”, and the system knows the difference and will quickly act to replace a broken component with one that is merely buggy.

                  That is why Moldbug stated that you need an entire parallel system to replace the Cathedral. You can’t swap it out one component at a time, because the other components will reject your change. You have to create an entirely new machine and throw the old one out. Of course, replacing all of the personnel is as good as replacing the machine, but it really does have to be ALL the personnel, cannot just be the Dean of Harvard or President of the Times.

                • jim says:

                  > So, Harvard has outsized influence over other organs of the Cathedral, but it does not govern the Cathedral. If we drove tanks into Harvard Yard tonight, then Yale would be calling the shots tomorrow, and if Yale then disappeared in a mushroom cloud tomorrow night then Princeton would be writing policy next week.

                  If we level Harvard to the ground, or drive tanks in and shut it down, then Yale will be calling the shots tomorrow, but if we drive tanks into Harvard, and gently persuade the board to appoint Phil Robertson Dean, chances are that Yale will suddenly convert to old type Christianity tomorrow.

                  The Cominator favors the Jehu solution (kill all the priests of Baal), and at the time of Jehu, things in Israel had gone so far that the Jehu solution was unavoidable, but we should try gentler solutions first.

                  On the other hand, had The Cominator been around at the time he would have told Jehu he did not go nearly far enough, and events proved that Jehu did not go far enough.

                  Jehu was primarily concerned with a priesthood that was an agent of foreign powers, and insufficiently concerned about a decadent and wicked internal faith. He was adequately concerned by priests in the pocket of enemy nations, but insufficiently concerned by decadence, wickedness, and heresy among the priests of Israel.

                  On the gripping hand, Monck and Charles the Second were big fans of gentle persuasion (though when faced with stubborn resistance from particular individuals they did not hesitate to use drastic measures), and though gentle persuasion worked spectacularly well, the enemy continued quiet subversion in England, and set up a base in America, from which base they now rule the world.

                  > but it really does have to be ALL the personnel, cannot just be the Dean of Harvard or President of the Times.

                  The method of Charles the Second was to have all personnel re-apply for their old jobs or equivalent jobs, and during the job interview they had to pass a conformity test (shill test). It worked pretty well. He was thus able to retain the skills and occupational experience of all Havel’s Greengrocers.

                  I think it likely that most of the personnel retained did not notice that they were saying different things in that job interview to what they said in their previous job interview. They previously believed in the Officially Unofficial established state religion, and now they continued to believe in the Official established state religion, and likely refrained from noticing that it had changed.

                  See also my comment on the difference between a creed and a shill test. We need to have an unchanging Catechism, but ever changing shill tests.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Err on the side of caution…

                • The Cominator says:

                  Right wing regimes cannot be gentle 1st and brutal later… doesn’t work that way the opportunity to conduct a total purge comes after victory. If you delay it its much harder to do since the tendency in right wing regimes is to DE POLITICIZE everything you must strike after victory before you de politicize. Easy to do once all the demon worshippers are gone…

                • The Cominator says:

                  There are two categories of priests, priests of hard sciences and engineering will generally be spared. Priests of the so called social scenes have negative value and all who are not ring dissidents generally should go.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Right wing dissidents.

                • Mike in Boston says:

                  HerbR wrote

                  Moldbug stated that you need an entire parallel system to replace the Cathedral. You can’t swap it out one component at a time… You have to create an entirely new machine and throw the old one out.

                  I’ve mentioned that Moldbug wasn’t the first to have this insight. “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” quoted a guy who put it into practice:

                  it is not enough to overthrow the old State, but that the new State must previously have been built up and be practically ready to one’s hand. … In 1933… the new State had been built up and all that there remained to do was to destroy the last remnants of the old State — and that took but a few hours.

                  The only questions that matter in America today are, does there exist a man around whom the new State is ready to coalesce? Apparently Trump was not that man.

                  And if there is no such man yet, is there some other Schelling point around which the new State can begin to coalesce, so that one man can rise to the leadership of whatever coalesces?

                  I would like to think that opposition to the next round of communist lunacy could provide a Schelling point that at least arrests the leftward spiral: no to mandatory boosters, no to banning the internal combustion engine, no to banning cash, perhaps no to mandatory national service. But probably I am naively overoptimistic.

                • HerbR says:

                  if we drive tanks into Harvard, and gently persuade the board to appoint Phil Robertson Dean, chances are that Yale will suddenly convert to old type Christianity tomorrow.

                  I’m not sure if I agree on all the particulars, but you do present the only semi-plausible scenario that doesn’t involve total collapse and replacement.

                  What’s important about your ideal, though, is that it doesn’t just require Phil Robertson, it requires thousands of personnel to staff all of the different faculties, and the will and the personnel to go after any subsequent holdouts (say Yale and Princeton convert, but Cornell stubbornly refuses).

                  If you don’t do this, you end up with a Trump scenario, where the existing personnel are all working against the new executive. So you invite them all to reapply for their old jobs and assert the new creed (assuming you have a creed, which the Anonymous Conservative types never do), and many of them will do so with no discernable brain activity whatsoever, but many others either won’t reapply or will need to be rejected, and you need new personnel to replace them.

                  It’s a big job to replace such a large and entrenched system, whether it’s from the inside or the outside. It can probably be done, but if it is done, it will not look like the hostile takeover of a corporation as people like Sundance and AC imagine it to be, where you just kick out the old management and install new management. It will look a whole lot more like an inquisition, an inverse exponential curve of purges, replacements and public conversions, some totally bloodless and some exceedingly violent, that goes on for years, or even decades.

                • jim says:

                  > What’s important about your ideal, though, is that it doesn’t just require Phil Robertson, it requires thousands of personnel to staff all of the different faculties, and the will and the personnel to go after any subsequent holdouts (say Yale and Princeton convert, but Cornell stubbornly refuses).

                  The facilities are bloated, and need to be radically reduced in size, particularly the universities. All we need is a Phil Robertson with the Inquisition standing behind him and Caesar standing behind the Inquisition. More than enough Havel’s Greengrocers will remain.

                • HerbR says:

                  All we need is a Phil Robertson with the Inquisition standing behind him and Caesar standing behind the Inquisition.

                  Yes, this is all we need. It is a very tall order. The Inquisition is not a few inquisitors, it is an army – the priestly equivalent, anyway.

                  The Cathedral is absolutely bloated, but all of the redundancies do add a certain stability – or perhaps inertia is a better word. It is not wise to underestimate the effect of all that seemingly-dead weight. To take control of the system, you may not need control of all the nodes, or even 51% of the nodes, but controlling just one “supernode” like Harvard probably isn’t going to cut it. If you took Harvard, the New York Times, the State Department, one of the big tech platforms and one major Hollywood studio… then that might be enough to coax a quick submission from the rest, even though it is technically less than 10%.

                  I remember reading that the Raj was governed by about 1000 men, which seems about the right size for an Inquisition. (Some of that number may come from sincere converts from the existing priestly class, but greengrocers do not make good inquisitors.)

                • jim says:

                  > > All we need is a Phil Robertson with the Inquisition standing behind him and Caesar standing behind the Inquisition.

                  > Yes, this is all we need. It is a very tall order. The Inquisition is not a few inquisitors, it is an army – the priestly equivalent, anyway.

                  An inquisition is at most a hundred or so – if it is any bigger, it has grown out of control, and is itself a threat to the power of the sovereign. It is not an army, it is backed by the army.

                  A Phil Roberson get appointed Dean of Harvard. He finds a handful of people, five or six, who pass the shill test. He invites all professors to re-apply for their old jobs or equivalent jobs. His people do the interviews, or the shill test part of the interviews. Havel’s Greengrocer gets his job back, provided he also passes an IQ test, is of good character, and has well raised children of good character. The fanatics don’t. Aggressively confronting the authority of the Dean as an individual “you can’t fire me” results in the inquisition taking you away for a friendly chat over coffee and ham sandwiches. Aggressively confronting the authority of the Dean as a mob results in the army hosing down the general area of the riot with napalm and machine gun fire, possibly destroying numerous ugly modernist buildings in the process. Everyone in Yale, Princeton, and MIT gets the message. By the time we get around to them, we will discover that that they have already found someone sufficiently like Phil Robertson.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Most shitlibs can be identified with easy pieces of data, party affiliation, campaign donation history and social media history.

                  Everyone ESPECIALLY in the priesthood who donated to Democrats since 2015 gets put on the helicopter list. All registered Democrats (this does not always indicate a shitlib because maybe they were a Democrat when they were much less visibly insane 20 years ago and never changed it) gets their social media history checked… they get rated on their support of Trump vs Biden, where they stood on Kyle Rittenhouse, Covid restrictions and Vaxx mandates.

                  Also people in even further left parties of course should be treated as activist Democrats.

                • The Cominator says:

                  “An inquisition is at most a hundred or so – if it is any bigger, it has grown out of control, and is itself a threat to the power of the sovereign. It is not an army, it is backed by the army.”

                  Immediately post overthrow of the Cathedral you’d want 300 to 500 about 1 inquisitior (I’d go for a more modern sounding term like Imperial Security Police) for every million Americans. In the immediate aftermath the inquisition has to be big scary and powerful. With the inquisitors mostly focusing on categorizing people to be immediately shot or arrested for reeducation by the army… make sure purges are thorough about shitlibs but don’t sweep up innocent people and to oversee reeducation camps and to define the criteria between those who can be saved and what constitutes “passing” and “failing” in reeducation.

                  Following the great helicopter ride standing staff should indeed be reduced to about 100 people.

                • jim says:

                  I favor the use of old words for old social technologies. It facilitates the recovery of that social technology.

                  The inquisition was originally created because there were an alarming number of free lance witchfinders, who were finding a quite improbable number of alarmingly powerful and dangerous witches, and its job was to inquire about those alleged witches. It eventually concluded that there were not many witches at all, and those witches were deluded and were not granted any substantial powers by demons, but there were a whole lot of entryists, and some of those free lance witchfinders were entryists, so its job became removing entryists, which is what we are going to need.

                • HerbR says:

                  [Given…] Aggressively confronting the authority of the Dean as an individual “you can’t fire me” gets the inquisition on your back. Aggressively confronting the authority of the Dean as a mob results in the army hosing down the area with napalm and machine gun fire. [Then…] Everyone in Yale, Princeton, and MIT gets the message.

                  That seems logical, a likely outcome given the premises.

                  But at this point we are no longer really talking about Harvard being the queen on the chessboard, what makes all the difference in this scenario is a military-backed inquisition making very public examples of what will happen to anyone who doesn’t play along. Assuming the ability to execute such a plan, I’m not sure it really matters if they drive the tanks into Harvard first or Yale first. Either way, the message is clear.

                  Essentially it boils down to injecting a heavy dose of antibiotic to kill the bacteria that have spread all throughout the host. It doesn’t really matter *where* you inject it, it’s *what* you inject and how much.

                  And that’s what I’ve been saying from the start – that taking over the system would mean launching an inquisition on the entire system, backed by state violence – not finding the head dragon and slaying him.

                • The Cominator says:

                  The people at the head of the global media should be found and wiped out too. They are not visible but at the head of the American state you could find them.

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPviZSKVKJc

                  Similar to Vorenus plan for recovering the Eagle, you’d take all the members of the big internationalists families prisoners and you’d start um “enhanced interogatting” them one by one in front of each other until you got real information.

                • T. Rex Sex says:

                  >The facilities are bloated, and need to be radically reduced in size, particularly the universities. All we need is a Phil Robertson with the Inquisition standing behind him and Caesar standing behind the Inquisition. More than enough Havel’s Greengrocers will remain.

                  That’s a coup-complete problem, nummy. “All you need” is to replace the national security apparatus. How? Oh, just write more blog comments and publish them on the [D]ARPANET. No problem.

                • jim says:

                  When I said “And Caesar standing behind the inquisition”, I said it was a coup complete problem.

                • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

                  Com, no one is going to let you kill that many people. It is unnecessary. The Inquisition should be called the Inquisition because it has a history of being terrifyingly effective, with an emphasis on terrifying. The word brings up images of robed torturers and Warhammer 40K horrors. Imperial Secret Police sounds like a bureaucracy. The Inquisition sounds mysterious, and mystery breeds fear.

                • Neurotoxin says:

                  HerbR:

                  If we drove tanks into Harvard Yard tonight, then Yale would be calling the shots tomorrow, and if Yale then disappeared in a mushroom cloud tomorrow night then Princeton would be writing policy next week.

                  Bingo.

                  Jim uses the word “Harvard” as a synecdoche for “academia,” or so I have always interpreted him. But maybe I mistook him, and by “Harvard” he actually means “Harvard”:

                  Jim:

                  If we level Harvard to the ground, or drive tanks in and shut it down, then Yale will be calling the shots tomorrow, but if we drive tanks into Harvard, and gently persuade the board to appoint Phil Robertson Dean, chances are that Yale will suddenly convert to old type Christianity tomorrow.

                  No fucking way. Leftists would react to Phil Robertson taking a position of authority at Harvard the way Catholics would react if the Pope said “Jesus Christ eats shit and Satan is my Lord and master.”

                • jim says:

                  > No fucking way. Leftists would react to Phil Robertson taking a position of authority at Harvard the way Catholics would react if the Pope said “Jesus Christ eats shit and Satan is my Lord and master.”

                  The Pope is signaling “Jesus Christ eats shit and Satan is my Lord and master.”, in that he is cavorting with demonic symbolism and the lavender mafia.

                  Some would react as Roman Catholics should have reacted, but did not, a lot would. Havel’s Greengrocer would not. And as soon as it becomes apparent that if you are not Havel’s Greengrocer, you are going to be permanently disemployed from state and quasi state employment, and if you make too much drama about such disemployment you will be relocated to Alaska, the rest of them will shut up also.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Well the popes have come close to doing that for a long time.

                • Upravda says:

                  Well, there is a considerable unease among Catholics regarding Bergoglio, even among high-ranking bishops, even in USA. See cardinal Viganò.

                  Our local bishops are pretty much restrained regarding him, which speaks volumes. Most of local vicars are not-so restrained. Some of them have even begun to say that we should differentiate between man and his office and that disagreeing with priests, including Pope, about politics is and always was totally OK.

                  Anyway, it sucks when your religious leader starts siding openly with your enemy. While no hierarchy is immune to that, it is much harder to rectify that problem in a large hierarchy such as Catholic church.

                • jim says:

                  It is not so much the politics, as the satanic imagery.

                • Upravda says:

                  Of course it is about satanic imagery. However, local vicars are not allowed to say that openly.

                  For now.

                  So, okaying disagreement in politics is simply a proxy of saying that which can not be said yet. Average Croat does not see the distinction between the two anyway – between politicians and satanists. 🙂

                  As time passes, I’m also starting to unsee the difference, although there are some pearls in the mud. There always are.

                • Neurotoxin says:

                  Jim, Cominator, Upravda,

                  I mean imagine that the Pope explicitly, actually said that sequence of words.

                  From another angle: Forget what would happen if whoever became president of Harvard. Just remember what did happen when Trump became President of the USA.

                  L’affaire Trump buttresses what Jim says about the importance of a state religion. It allows the faithful to, among other things, identify and attack apostates in concert.

                • jim says:

                  > I mean imagine that the Pope explicitly, actually said that sequence of words.

                  The Pope has not explicitly said that sequence of words, but everyone has seen the Pope sitting on the serpent throne in the serpent hall with a depiction of Lucifer on his highly uncomfortable throne in his serpent form standing right behind the papal throne. Plus the Pope is in bed with the Great Reset crowd, whose inner cadre conduct blood sacrifices to the Red Dragon. The Pope is a literal demon worshiper who hangs with a crowd of other literal demon worshipers, and it is not exactly public, but it is not exactly secret either.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Its impossible to rectify the hierarchy in Catholicism because Catholics essentially worship the hierarchy more than anything else.

                • The Cominator says:

                  I mean just look at this, the Lucifer throne is in the distance but this is the whole hall.

                • jim says:

                  Here is a close up of the pope in the serpent throne room sitting on his comfortable throne with a giant lucifer on his highly uncomfortable throne in his serpent manifestation depicted standing right behind the seated pope.

                  I don’t have a close up of the painting right behind the pope in the big serpent hall. Probably something similar. Does anyone have a close up? Whatever it is, I bet it does not have Jesus, angels, Mary, Joseph, or the saints and apostles.

                  Seems that the big papal theme is to celebrate Satan in his serpent form. I had heard that the great resetters celebrate Satan in his Red Dragon form, but I am not aware of any depictions. Maybe it is serpent form also. Or maybe the serpent room posted by The Cominator contains a Red Dragon depiction.

                • The Cominator says:

                • Neurotoxin says:

                  Jim, Cominator:

                  Okay, that audience hall is… weird.

                  But remember what happened to Trump.

                • jim says:

                  The difference is that Roman Catholics know that if they make a fuss about a demon worshiping Pope, they will lose their jobs, be charged with child molestation, have their children taken away, and get beaten up, while if someone breaks into the Church that Trump attends and vandalizes it or starts a fire, the pastor will not dare make a fuss, for fear of might happen to him, while nothing will happen to the arsonist.

                  Lots of Churches have been burned down, and we get more fuss about Muslim radicals burning down Churches in Egypt than we get about left radicals burning down churches right here.

                  The board of Cathay air knew would get in trouble from America if they fired a Ceo who was organizing riots to shut down the airport. But they suspected that they might get in trouble China for not firing him.

                  Knowing they would catch flack from America for firing him, and catch flack, possibly fatally, from china for not firing him, they fired him in the most inconspicuous, delicate, and gentle way possible. If they had not been worried about America, probably would have fired him and brought major and serious criminal charges against him.

                  But a delicate and gentle firing sufficed to end the riots. The new ceo purged a tiny handful of his subordinates, also firing them gently and delicately instead of bringing major and serious criminal charges, and all was quiet.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  The spanish inquisition should be understood in the context of something that happened after the reconquista; that is, after hundreds of thousands of the Castilian’s enemies had already been put down by fire and steel.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  (This needed to go in the thread below this one.)

                • simplyconnected says:

                  Not to take away from the weirdness of the papal audience hall, but the disturbing statue behind him seems to depict Christ. Or at least a case could be made that it does.

                  Note that the building looks like a snake’s head even from the outside.

                  Honestly I find the most disturbing of all that there are no crosses in that very large hall in the Vatican.
                  There are no Saints, no Virgin Mary anywhere to be seen. You would think the stained glass would have a cross at least. This is not a building that communicates “the glory of God” to me, in any way.

                • jim says:

                  > but the disturbing statue behind him seems to depict Christ. Or at least a case could be made that it does.

                  Oh come on.

                  A man with snake’s head?

                  That is a demon. And which demon is it?

                  Demons are normally depicted as human with an animal’s head, Moloch has a bull’s head. Satan is “the serpent”. That is Satan.

                • simplyconnected says:

                  That’s incredible. I had not seen the serpent head on the statue.

                • simplyconnected says:

                  What I saw was Christ’s head tilted to his right, and the snake’s head is the hair. It might be intended that way. But it does look like a snake’s head in the picture.

                • simplyconnected says:

                  It’s a creepy statue with deformed figures that resemble tortured souls in hell. The whole thing is disturbing.

                • jim says:

                  It is not just a creepy statue – it, and the building it is in, has specific symbolism.

                  Man with animal head: Demon, representing our lower nature ruling over our higher nature.

                  Serpent: Satan, the chief demon.

                  Head low on the statue, building is a serpents head that is on the ground – not seeing far, short termism, representing defect/defect equilibrium and social entropy. Cathedrals point to the sky, the building and the statue inside it points to the ground

                  Satan’s throne – he is enthroned, but tortured. It is not a comfortable looking throne.

                • Cloudswrest says:

                  Here’s Wikipedia on the sculpture behind the throne.
                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Resurrection_(Fazzini)

                • Cloudswrest says:

                  Curiously, I can’t seem to find a high resolution image of the head/face anywhere. La Wik also states the sculptor suffered a blood clot due to fumes during it’s creation.

                • jim says:

                  Supposedly the statue represents a risen Christ. But the creature depicted is rising in a hellscape, and he does not have a human head.

                • Upravda says:

                  Ummm… okay, folks, regarding that creepy sculpture, here is the somewhat hi-res image of it:

                  https://www.museivaticani.va/content/museivaticani/en/collezioni/musei/collezione-d_arte-contemporanea/sala-5–scultura-italiana-tra-committenza-e-ispirazione/pericle-fazzini–bozzetto-per-resurrezione.html

                  It is human head after all, with clearly recognizable eyes, nose, beard, and somewhat weird haircut. That Fazzini guy obviously had a thing for weird haircuts, it appeared also on some other of his sculptures.

                  I agree that entire sculpture is… Giger-ish, but there’s no need to seek something that simply isn’t there. I can only see usual “contemporary art” crap. Sculpture, built on the end of seventies, was supposed to express the fear of nuclear annihilation or something.

                • jim says:

                  In the high resolution image I now can see a somewhat gigerish human face, the traditional rendering of Christ’s face as giger would have reimagined and reinvented it.

                  But it the entire left hand side of head and throat has a serpent demon head growing out of it and dominating it

                  Which suggestion is reinforced by the fact that the entire building is built in the shape of a serpent’s head.

                  You are saying “OK, it is just modern art”. But when modern art goes religious, which it frequently does, it celebrates demons “Ha ha, we are just ironically demon worshipers, we don’t actually worship demons, ha ha. And when we desecrate Christian symbols we are actually honoring them. In our own way. Ha ha.”

                  That this is in the tradition of modern art as a whole does not make it look less like the Pope and the Papal hierarchy honoring Satan, it makes it look more like the Pope and Papal hierarchy honoring Satan.

                  Taking the whole picture in full context, not just the demon dominated image of Christ in a hellscape, not just the building in the image of a serpent’s head, but also the entire context of the use of religious themes in modern art as a whole, sure does not look like they are honoring Christian symbols, nor that their demon worship is merely ironic.

                  If we are going to look at the whole thing in the context of modern art, that context is concisely summarized by “piss christ”.

                • Neofugue says:

                  > It is human head after all, with clearly recognizable eyes, nose, beard, and somewhat weird haircut. That Fazzini guy obviously had a thing for weird haircuts, it appeared also on some other of his sculptures. I agree that entire sculpture is… Giger-ish, but there’s no need to seek something that simply isn’t there. I can only see usual “contemporary art” crap

                  Daily dose of Trad cope…

                  Covering and distorting the face of Christ is blasphemy of the highest level; the message of this statue is Satan devouring the Son of God, the corruption of the office of the Roman Pontiff and the fall of the Roman Catholic Church to the Gates of Hell.

                  Well-intentioned Roman Catholics are forced into ever more convoluted mental gymnastics in order to make sense of the blaspheming demon worshipers who occupy power in Rome. The central idea behind the development of Roman Catholicism is that in order for unity there needs to be a supreme infallible Pontiff who leads the church and thus cannot defect. Roman Catholicism without the Pope, SSPX, Sedevacantism, etc. is Protestantism by any other name, and schismatics end up dividing as often as American Protestants.

                  Of interest to NRx, there are three things one will see throughout the coming decades regarding Roman Catholicism. The majority of Roman Catholics will begin to interpret Christianity through the lens of the Devil, which was seen with Feanor. Tradcaths will dwindle and schism among each other regarding which sect is the “true” church, and others will simply apostatize.

                  Quoting St. Catherine of Sienna (1347-1380), Doctor of the Roman Catholic Church:

                  > Even if the Pope were Satan incarnate, we ought not to raise up our heads against him, but calmly lie down to rest on his bosom. He who rebels against our Father is condemned to death, for that which we do to him we do to Christ.

                  Roman Catholics will end up gravitating to overt demon worship or disintegrating because the central idea of the system is no longer tenable, if it ever was.

                • Neurotoxin says:

                  if someone breaks into the Church that Trump attends and vandalizes it or starts a fire, the pastor will not dare make a fuss, for fear of might happen to him, while nothing will happen to the arsonist.

                  Indeed, plausible. We are going to have to requisition a large amount of fuel for non-fixed-wing aircraft.

                  The snake-head thing in the sculpture must be deliberate. From the angle from which the average person would see it in the hall, that one gap in the “hair” is perfectly placed and shaped to look like a snake’s eye. Etc.

                • Upravda says:

                  No, I’m not saying: “OK, it is just modern art.”. I’m saying: “Oh, shit, yet another modernistic crap. Not OK.”

                  This is another hi-res photo from – Wikipedia. Don’t understand why I didn’t find it earlier:
                  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Aula_Paolo_VI_%28Aula_Nervi%29_%2814688351450%29.jpg

                  Neither am I “forced into even more convoluted mental gymnastics”. If I was a pope, I would melt that stuff right away. But I’m not. Modern popes obviously don’t see it as problematic. That’s bad. Very bad. And sad.

                  I must admit that I’ve never, ever heard neither of this “sculpture” nor that audience hall until yesterday. Didn’t make my day. And yes, while “snake look” of the hall is clearly the effect of fish-eye lens, there really aren’t any crosses there I could find on pictures.

                  Since every village church is full of crosses, and since even builders of churches in communism did manage to display cross on the exterior somehow (despite frequent precondition for issuing the building permit was “not having religious symbols visible from the outside”), that is doubly disturbing.

                • jim says:

                  He looks distinctly more human in the higher resolution picture.

                  I concede that this is plausibly a modern art representation of Christ, rather than a modern art representation of a snake headed demon, but the windblown hair strangely resembles a distinct demonic snake head, which is rather interesting in a building built to resemble a giant snake head. It is inspired by, and in the style of, modern art that cheerfully worships demons. But yes, enough humanity in the image that it is not entirely surprising that the Church hierarchy gets away with the deliberate ambiguity in whom they worship.

                  But whereas the Socinians cultivated a deliberate ambiguity as to whether Christ was the Lord or yet another Jewish community organizer back when they were first engaging in entryism against the Church of England, the Roman Catholic hierarchy is cultivating deliberate ambiguity as to whether they worship the Lord or Satan.

                • simplyconnected says:

                  And yes, while “snake look” of the hall is clearly the effect of fish-eye lens, there really aren’t any crosses there I could find on pictures.

                  Note that the outside picture of the building does not use fish-eye lens. It looks to me like a snake’s head, though it’s a bit more subtle.

                • simplyconnected says:

                  I can see plausible deniability in all this.
                  The statue is plausibly a depiction of Christ, plausibly the weird shapes in the sculpture aren’t intended to depict tortured souls resembling Rodin’s The Gates of Hell. While the interior photographed with fish-eye lens looks like an angry snake about to bite, and the outside looks like the head of a snake, I think there is plausible deniability and the architect didn’t deliberately depict a serpent. It is plausible that they went for a minimalist style with no crosses or Saints, and the stained glass was just decoration so no religious symbology there either.

                  But why does it look equally plausible that they are worshiping God or the devil? That is what I find disturbing.
                  When I listen to Bach or I enter an old cathedral I don’t have to wonder what exactly they worship. I can see the glory of God being depicted in its full splendor, unambiguously.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Please clearly the Vatican is deliberately mocking its idiot NPC followers with demonic imagery at best… they unironically worship demons at worst.

                • HerbR says:

                  I’ve been trying, and failing, to see the snake head, either on the inside or outside. Maybe it’s just because I am not a very visual person, but I can’t see it. Does anyone want to tell me where to look, or post a side-by-side with an actual snake head, or anything that would make this clearer?

                  It does look like Satanic imagery to me – not because of a snake head, but because Jesus appears to be either being consumed by some kind of hellscape or birthed by that hellscape. All of that crap surrounding him looks like either fire, or ghostly apparitions (disembodied souls), or both. I’m not sure what else it could possibly be. Even if it wasn’t intended to be satanic and is just exceptionally bad art, an authentically Christian Pope would refuse to be seen anywhere near that thing except maybe to have it melted down into scrap.

                  But I just can’t see the snake head, in any of the photos, indoor or outdoor, hi-res or low-res. Do I just have the wrong mental image of a snake head?

                • alf says:

                  There’s just enough plausible deniability to claim it was an accident, although it is pretty clear to me. The Jesus-in-hell statue — not so much.

                • Neofugue says:

                  > No, I’m not saying: “OK, it is just modern art.”. I’m saying: “Oh, shit, yet another modernistic crap. Not OK.”

                  This sculpture is not just “yet another modernistic crap,” it is demonic iconography representing the fall of the Papacy to Satan.

                  There are two, possibly more, demonic symbols in the linked closeup of the sculpture, other than the blasphemy of distorting the face of Christ. First, the left eye of Christ, used to depict the incarnation, Christ as fully God and fully Man, is closed. Second, the Left side of Christ is a symbol of judgment, whereas the Right side of Christ is a symbol of salvation. Those on the Left descend into Hell, and those on the Right ascend into Heaven. Christ’s head being tilted to the right symbolizes Universalism, the heresy of the Antichrist.

                  What is surprising with this discussion is the assumption that adapting modern art to something as sacred as iconography is anything other than demonic. As an admission, I am an artsy and sensitive person, and have been blessed with an acute ability in detecting symbols and meaning in art and music, but this should not be ambiguous.

                  All demon worshiper entryists maintain a semblance of plausible deniability in order to corrupt and destroy their target institutions.

                  As an example, Lazar of Ottawa is a longtime demon worshiper entryist in Orthodoxy, but was allowed back into OCA on the condition that he would remain silent and ambiguous about his genuine beliefs on sodomy and transgenderism. The entryist line regarding church doctrine is “[insert Leftist doctrine here], but the Church says [x], and the church’s teachings are what they are.” The element of plausible deniability cements, not obfuscates, the idea of this monstrosity as a demonic temple.

                • HerbR says:

                  Okay, I definitely see the resemblance in the bottom photo. The little skeptical voice in my head wonders how easy it would be to create a similar effect with any room using a fishbowl lens, but the solitary elliptical side windows with “pupils” are not a normal design element in a church (or anywhere). The similarities are pretty striking, all the way down to the “teeth”.

                  Still only “kinda” see it on the exterior. Like, if I squint real hard then I guess the shapes are similar, but it’s not something I would ever have noticed if I wasn’t specifically looking for it.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  The architectural curlicues aren’t obliged by any particular functional demand; meaning they are deliberate aesthetic choices.

                • Neurotoxin says:

                  “snake look” of the hall is clearly the effect of fish-eye lens

                  I’m 99.5% positive that pic is not distorted, because I can’t find a pic from that angle that looks any different.

                  Try this collection of images. There are some pics from other angles, but no head-on angles that don’t show the snake head. https://www.google.com/search?q=vatican,+%22audience+hall%22&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjmxYyqv8b0AhW1kokEHZeCDTQQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw

                  And the pic here shows the snake head even though taken from off to the side, and it’s clearly not distorted because the chairs at the bottom of the pic aren’t distorted:

            • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

              The idea that people are responsible for things happening comes naturally to the conservatively minded; just as the idea that noone is responsible for anything comes naturally to the liberally minded.

              • HerbR says:

                Reaction is in large part a rejection of the conservative-liberal spectrum. Both viewpoints are facile, as are all of the “moderate” viewpoints in between. The Overton window deliberately excludes any fully truthful positions.

                Obviously, people are responsible, but the system is designed to diffuse responsibility over a great many people, who are enthusiastic participants in that system.

                You can see this in any large corporation. No one wants individual responsibility, so every decision with any gravity must be made by a committee, which results in a plan that technically no individual actually wanted and therefore can’t be blamed for. Dissolve the committee, and another one will form, with a different name that claims to have no connection to the old one and might actually have completely different personnel. If one person decides to go rogue and actually start to exercise executive function, they must very carefully cover up any mistakes they make, because if caught making a mistake while acting “unilaterally”, the entire organization will come down on them like a ton of bricks and either try to purge them or demand that their executive responsibilities be assigned to a committee or approval board.

                No one is actually saying or has said that “noone” is responsible. What I have been saying is that U.S. government decision-making is a hybrid of Yes, Minister and Dilbert. The individuals who are responsible tend to be easily replaceable empty suits, or pointy-haired dimwits recruited specifically for their lack of insight and talent. The people who might actually be both competent and evil enough to pull off a Great Reset are not in charge, and even if they were in charge, they would still have to go through sixteen layers of bureaucracy and end up with something that was not at all like their published plan.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Reaction rejects the constitution the idea that democracy republics are a good thing and 90% of the ideas of the enlightenment (including the idea that Edmund Burke was any kind of great thinker rather than the pompous idiot he was), it doesn’t automatically differentiate itself from everything a normiecon believes because it wants to be different for the sake of being different though.

                  “Obviously, people are responsible, but the system is designed to diffuse responsibility over a great many people, who are enthusiastic participants in that system.”

                  But ultimately there are decision makers, the system is designed to obscure who they are. And in that it does well… because I’ve searched madly for who the real decision makers are and can’t find them.

                • The Cominator says:

                  “No one is actually saying or has said that “noone” is responsible. What I have been saying is that U.S. government decision-making is a hybrid of Yes, Minister and Dilbert. The individuals who are responsible tend to be easily replaceable empty suits, or pointy-haired dimwits recruited specifically for their lack of insight and talent. The people who might actually be both competent and evil enough to pull off a Great Reset are not in charge, and even if they were in charge, they would still have to go through sixteen layers of bureaucracy and end up with something that was not at all like their published plan.”

                  The Yes Minister and Dilbert part is mostly true, except Sir Humprey Appleby is 93 now and Shaniqua is about to replace him as head of the civil service.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  ‘Conservative-Liberal’ here is not referring to any particular ideological precis, but attitudinal comportments, characteristic of given population groups.

                • HerbR says:

                  But ultimately there are decision makers, the system is designed to obscure who they are.

                  It is not only designed to obscure who they are, it is designed to remove all agency from them, turning them into easily replaceable cogs.

                  The boomercon is certain that Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are vitally important players. The paleocon or dissident rightist knows that elected officials are a circus sideshow, but is certain that George Soros and maybe a few others like him are extremely important. And you know that George Soros and Susan Rosenberg are also easily replaceable cutouts, but are somehow certain that there is some non-replaceable person or group buried even deeper. And I am telling you that even if they existed and you found them, they would turn out to be as interchangeable as everyone else, taking many of their cues from other entities that would appear to be lower on the org chart.

                  It’s not a totem pole, it’s a web. There are certainly clearly-identifiable individuals with clearly-defined responsibilities, but those responsibilities really belong to the role that said individual is fulfilling, and removal of said individual is not much different from swapping out a manager or executive at a big corporation. Happens all the time, and the business keeps churning away. We see and create these systems constantly – role-based systems are the bread and butter of infosec – yet for some reason it’s impossible to believe that a human system could be designed that way. Why?

                  …because I’ve searched madly for who the real decision makers are and can’t find them.

                  You have no connections that we know of, so of course you turn up nothing. But you would be disappointed if you did. You would find more people who hate their jobs, hate their lives, can’t get laid or live in a dysfunctional marriage, and complain constantly that there is too much bureaucracy and they can’t get anything done.

                  But whatever – keep on looking for that one thermal exhaust port if that’s what motivates you to get up in the morning.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Herb I think what you are saying (correct me if I’m wrong) is that at this occulted very top level its still more like a social network than a rigid military hierarchy.

                  This may very well be true. It would still be a very good thing to Dox them if possible, if doxxed various members of the group can get randomly Breviked by say Alex Jones fans with terminal cancer.

                  After that kind of stuff starts happening to them on a regular basis… the social network collectively will have to back down. But they aren’t going to back down just because that kind of thing starts happening to underlings.

                • Mister Grumpus says:

                  You guys.

                  Even the book “Handmaid’s Tale” described – never explained or justified, but passively described – the left singularity that collapsed into the Republic of Gilead. “Progress” had just kept on “progressing” until everything was shit and the Bad Guys put their foot down. It wasn’t a warning. It was a cry for help.

                  It was “Starship Troopers”, but without the “why” part, and the celebration parallax turned 180.

                  Without some religion in you, you drive yourself crazy looking for the Bond Villain Evil Genius Gods on Earth. Harvard Trustees, Bilderburgs, Trilateral Commission, EcoHealth Alliance, whatever.

                  People are shitty. Inconsistent. Self-flattering. They don’t notice that their own brains and emotions are optimized for survival and reproduction, and not logic or compassion or fairness.

                  We don’t notice that we don’t notice the evil of those who can hurt us, and that we only hate harmless easy targets.

                  Women don’t notice that they love jerks, and (most) men don’t notice that either. “If she looks good, she looks ‘good’.”

                  The “equality” thing is just envy talking, the inferior outnumber the superior, and everyone is vulnerable to hunger, or exposure, or a brick. It’s not complicated, and it doesn’t take a detective.

                  Some ride the left-running tiger better than others, that’s all. Don’t hate the players. Hate the game.

                  @Pseudo-Chrysostom:
                  “just as the idea that noone is responsible for anything comes naturally to the liberally minded.”

                  Shit.

                • Mister Grumpus says:

                  I’m starting to get it.

                  One of the amazing things that pre-2017 anon-internet did was it gave people this beautiful golden chance to just realize for themselves, and then maybe express, their hatred of the people who enjoy hurting them with impunity.

                  The revolution will not be televised, but it might be on a sidechain.

                • HerbR says:

                  I think what you are saying (correct me if I’m wrong) is that at this occulted very top level its still more like a social network than a rigid military hierarchy.

                  Pretty close. It is like the blue checks on a social network, except with subtler and less-visible badges – but not completely invisible, I’m talking about a mashup of discoverable but individually inconclusive signals like security clearances, university degrees and NGO connections.

                  The blue check says that you’re special and that you’re an “influencer”, but there are a lot of blue checks and no real hierarchy among them, although they are capable of spontaneously organizing into hierarchies for specific topics and hash tags.

                  It would still be a very good thing to Dox them if possible, if doxxed various members of the group can get randomly Breviked by say Alex Jones fans with terminal cancer.

                  I think we can fairly conclusively point to Eric Ciaramella as one of the members of this informal inner circle, specifically because of what happened when anyone with a public platform even tried to name him, never mind dropping dox – and that was without any credible threat of violence, just concerns that he might be “harassed”.

                  If these individuals are half as important as you believe they are, then attempting to doxx them sounds like a quick and reliable way to get yourself killed or at best placed on several government watch lists and be visited by feds enforcing “red flag” laws.

                  Certainly, if one could set up a scenario in which being in this elite club meant that you would be doxxed, threatened and maybe executed, then not a lot of people would want to be in that club anymore. However, I think you’ve got the doxx-er and doxx-ee backward here. It is the State, and those backed by state power, who are allowed to set up conditions like this. It’s the Inquisition that Jim is talking about. I very much doubt that you or anyone could individually incite such a scenario against the ruling elite without the formal backing of at least one elite faction.

                  Let’s call a spade a spade here – you and the Breiviks-to-be would be labelled and hunted as terrorists, and not without good reason. It is only not terrorism when employed by someone who is authorized (or whom it is broadly believed should be authorized, like the President) to use force.

                • jim says:

                  > The blue check says that you’re special and that you’re an “influencer”, but there are a lot of blue checks and no real hierarchy among them,

                  There is a real hierarchy among them, and that hierarchy is imposed from above, but hidden from outsiders.

                • The Cominator says:

                  I am of course speaking strictly hypothetically here… we are a board of peace.

                • The Cominator says:

                  Yes I agree with jims position, but the top level may be more of a social network of powerful people with no real leader or even formal voting procedure…

                  Would still be good to expose the identities of people in this group if only they could be found.

                • HerbR says:

                  There is the formal hierarchy of blue checks, and an informal and constantly-shifting hierarchy of “favor”, as of courtiers with the king, except that the king is long dead and the shifting is always left.

                  I didn’t pick the blue check analogy at random. It’s symbolic that your blue check, if you have one, can be arbitrarily and capriciously revoked by any SJW loser on the Trust and Safety Committee, even though you are de jure higher status than they are. Likewise, if someone on the committee has a moment of temporary insanity and suggests that the TOS should be enforced impartially, they’ll probably be fired. As long as it is a leftward move, anyone can advance.

                  It is a relatively flat hierarchy with an extensive and complicated network of subject-matter experts, dues paid, favors owed, secrets known, blackmail held, parties attended, and a hundred other barely-tangible signals. Many people really want it to be a couple of guys calling all the shots, because then maybe you don’t need an Inquisition and maybe it’s not a coup-complete problem, but you do and it is.

                  Alternatively, you could think of it as a traditional hierarchy rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise. To be the most left is to call the most shots, but everyone has to really believe that you’re over there, it’s not enough to just mouth the right platitudes or donate to the right NGOs.

                • jim says:

                  > It is a relatively flat hierarchy with an extensive and complicated network of subject-matter experts, dues paid, favors owed, secrets known, blackmail held, parties attended, and a hundred other barely-tangible signals. Many people really want it to be a couple of guys calling all the shots, because then maybe you don’t need an Inquisition and maybe it’s not a coup-complete problem, but you do and it is.

                  It is not that flat. Mann is ultimately in charge of Global Warming, and the Global Warming subject matter expert is the guy who knows what Mann wants him to say. A quite small group whose public face is Fauci is in charge of the official science of the Covid Demon, though that has not fully shaken out yet, and the subject matter expert is the guy who knows the official science of the Covid Demon.

                  If we detain perhaps a couple of dozen people the rest are outraged, but leaderless. They can and will resist in detail, but will be unable to put up a united and cohesive resistance. They will not know what to do, and will be disinclined to show initiative. They will just be passively outraged and non compliant. And will lose their jobs over a couple of years the same way someone who is just plain lazy or incompetent loses his job. Only a few will act on their own initiative, they will act one at a time, and can be removed one at a time.

                  What we are facing is not one great united conspiracy, but neither is it a spontaneous and distributed network, but something in between. Something more like a Dilbertesque giant corporation, or several giant Dilbertesque corporations whose legal departments are united in a conspiracy against the corporations that they supposedly serve and against their bosses. Which tends to be the usual state of giant corporations today. They are incohesive, but still strongly hierarchical. When China realized that the airport rioters were being managed by the Ceo of the major airline of that airport, they twisted the arm of the board, who fired the Ceo. Problem solved. Poof, airport suddenly safe. One man, one airport, problem fixed.

                • HerbR says:

                  It is not that flat. Mann is ultimately in charge of Global Warming, and the Global Warming subject matter expert is the guy who knows what Mann wants him to say.

                  We seem to be talking past each other.

                  The regent is clearly at the top of a well-defined hierarchy. There is little to no hierarchy between the regents – only trust and betrayal, respect and disdain, friends and enemies, pacts and alliances both public and hidden.

                  I am not discussing the people who work for Mann, directly or indirectly. They are pawns, NPCs. Nor am I discussing the people who work for Soros, or Fauci, or Rosenberg, Schmidt, Clinton or Dyson, or any of the spooks we’re not supposed to know about like Ciaramella. I’m talking about them and the relationships between them.

                  Fauci cannot contradict Mann on the Climate Threat and Mann cannot contradict Fauci on the Covid Threat. Each priest serves a single demon and the demons themselves have no clear hierarchy, and therefore neither do their avatars. There are greater and lesser demons but the former do not command the latter.

                  The plausibility of coup-complete inquisitions that impose a new state religion by “making an example” of any followers of the old religion does not tell us anything useful about the structure or hierarchy of the old religion. There are certainly more than a dozen current members of the “inner party” in good standing – there are thousands, and most can easily be replaced.

                  That doesn’t mean they *are* replaced on a regular basis, just as you don’t normally replace a refrigerator unless it is defective. The fact that Mann is still the Climate Pope after all this years does not prove he is irreplaceable or essential to the system, just that he is still working. But we also see plenty of examples of people and organizations being sidelined when they are no longer useful: Media Matters was superseded by the Poynter Institute, Weatherman by Antifa, Women’s Studies by Gender Studies, the OWI by the CIA/NSA, and on and on it goes, and most of the time, nobody even notices. Low-level employees go “oh great, another reorg” and ignore it unless they’re personally affected.

                  It is always “someone” who actually oversees the replacement, but never the same someone as last time, just like the ever-changing faceless CEOs of a publicly-traded board-managed corporation. The only real exception might be FDR, and he’s long dead.

                • jim says:

                  Yes, but from the point of view of the question how many people need to be taken out to turn things around, the answer is not a whole lot to behead the beast. Seven horns and ten heads seems about right.

                  > like the ever-changing faceless CEOs of a publicly-traded board-managed corporation.

                  When it became obvious that the rioters shutting down Hong Kong airport were run by the CEO of Cathay air, the Chinese government had a quiet word with the board of Cathay air. The CEO was fired, and suddenly no more riots interfering with the operation of the airport. It was unnecessary to take out the board and shoot them, though I suppose the Chinese government might have done so if a quiet word had not sufficed.

                  A similar procedure may well suffice to deal with Harvard, though it may well turn out that small amount of dragging out and shooting will be needed. For facebook, I think the Ceo will be fine, when he sees which way the winds blow. Even a quiet word will not be needed. For Google, something a little more vigorous will be required, possibly requiring a fair bit of dragging out and shooting, but not at The Cominator scale.

                  Seven acts of conspicuous desacration of Holy Woke icons, and ten friends of Clinton style strange suicides that everyone piously agrees were suicides would do it if the suicides took out the right people.

                  That is if the suicides happen in the near future. If things go as far as they went under Tito and Stalin, considerably more drastic measures will be needed to halt the spiral.

                  The Epstein suicide was not concealed, but nobody called it for fear that if they called it, they would be next.

                • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

                  I see no reason to let our death squads stop at the petty criminals. The DA in your example should be next, once he issues the order to arrest our men. Leftism is the conspiracy to commit theft, arson, murder, and rape on grand scale. Leftists should be treated accordingly. They should be disexisted, not disemployed. There is no reason to leave alive someone who thinks that petty criminals deserve to be protected and tolerated.

                  You are making the same mistake that Charles II did, and for the same reason. An excess of mercy and a failure to take their evil seriously. The leader class needs to be searched for Havel’s Greengrocer, and the true believers killed to a man. The most important can be saved, locked up, and their expertise retained. The rest are a waste of oxygen and entropy, and should be put out of our misery.

                • The Cominator says:

                  @Wulfgar based.

                  Petty criminals should be on 1st offense flogged badly and in public and the second time exiled to penal mining colonies in Alaska or some other remote wild unsettled place.

                  Leftists are far worse than petty thieves…

                • HerbR says:

                  Yes, but from the point of view of the question how many people need to be taken out to turn things around, the answer is not a whole lot to behead the beast.

                  I might be nitpicking over semantics, but I disagree specifically with the word “behead”. The structure is exactly why you cannot simply behead the beast. Like the hydra of myth, cut off one head and it will be replaced by two others.

                  To impose a state religion you must control all of the heads, not cut them off. Initially with violence and then later, one hopes, through incentives and intimidation.

                  That is the difference between the thinking reactionaries and the conspiratards. The conspiratards think that it’s just a matter of finding the right heads and cutting them off, which makes it sound like any hard-assed president or maybe even a vigilante could do it on his own. In reality you first need total control, a coup followed by an inquisition. The hard-assed president needs a hundred men ready to take office and the balls to run the Senate confirmation hearings with heavily-armed guards, “for their protection of course”. The vigilante has no chance.

                  Like all history, the various inquisitions haven’t been documented as well as we might like, but the Cathedral gave us an even better blueprint: “Denazification”. That’s about the scale you need to run at in order to completely expunge an old regime.

        • jim says:

          > There is no agenda. There is no “they”. There are N factions fighting for dominance today and N+1 tomorrow. The days of elite cohesion in the west are long over.

          True, and false. There are several agendas, and some of those N factions are mighty powerful, conspiratorial, and well organized.

          The FBI shills and the Soros shills are tightly disciplined and well organized, and there is another entirely different group of different shills on twitter, to whom I pay no attention. The existence of these tightly disciplined shills indicates the existence of large, tightly disciplined, and organized conspiracies. The fact that they have different, and often incompatible, scripts indicates several such conspiracies whose goals are not entirely compatible.

          • HerbR says:

            I think (?) we agree. There is tight collaboration within narrow areas, and looser collaboration across those areas, but diminishing competency and capacity for collaboration throughout the entire system.

            Collaboration doesn’t (necessarily) imply a hierarchy. Companies in the same industry may engage in price-fixing without a government decree, and departments within an organization may consult with each other on projects without specifically being told to by management. And on the topic of the actual blog post, Bitcoin itself exemplifies collaboration without a central authority.

            The Cathedral itself could be said to be an organically-evolved, human-scale, half-assed and frequently-malfunctioning implementation of the same principle as Bitcoin. Not literally “proof of work” but more like “proof of woke”. To be trusted by the other nodes and have your “transactions” accepted, you need only be sufficiently left.

          • alf says:

            some of those N factions are mighty powerful, conspiratorial, and well organized.

            I bet they used to have meetings at expensive restaurants and feel very important. Nowadays they have zoom meetings with face diapers. Not that powerful.

            • The Cominator says:

              The bullshitdemic restrictions don’t apply to them. If they can’t go to expensive restaraunts they’ll meet at chateaus…

              • Karl says:

                Yes, absolutely. If you have a nice house, you don’t need an expensive restaurant for such a meeting. If a moderately wealthy normie can hire a catering service.

        • Tityrus says:

          There is no agenda. There is no “they”. There are N factions fighting for dominance today and N+1 tomorrow. The days of elite cohesion in the west are long over.

          Yes, the fact that everything is moving left (straight into the shitter) is not proof of the existence of a central conspiracy. There are many conspiracies, but all of them operate out of structurally leftist institutions (because all other institutions have been destroyed), and so however much they struggle amongst each other, whatever happens we get ever lefter ever faster.

      • Pooch says:

        I disagree with Sundance here. Sounds to me just like covid priests (Fauci etc) sensing their status diminish so doing everything they can to get themselves back on top of the world.

    • Varna says:

      Slightly old, as about a week, how in Australia they are gradually starting to round up the unvaxxed scum into camps for their own good.
      https://teamtuckercarlson.com/news/australian-military-begins-transferring-covid-positive-and-close-contacts-to-quarantine-camps/

      • Pooch says:

        If anyone is going to need to flee it’s looking like it will be Australians.

      • jim says:

        Actually rounding up the sick and exposed is, unlike the vaccine and lockdowns, a highly effective way of stopping the spread. As I said during the lockdowns, the normal and sane response to serious infectious disease is to lock up the sick, not the healthy.

        There is much official dismay that the vaccination rate is not one hundred percent, though it is sufficiently high that the vast majority who have and spread the disease are vaccinated, and vast majority of people who die with China flu are vaccinated.

        I don’t think anyone dies “of” china flu – it just gives those with one foot in the grave and wobbling a little push, just as the flu did. The excess death rate during China flu season in most countries was about the same as the excess death rate during flu season.

        There was a significant excess death rate during flu season, but almost no one got flu on their death certificate, because they usually had something far more serious wrong with them, and their death was characteristic of that far more serious thing, such as cancer or heart attack. With China flu, on the other hand, if you get run over by a truck within twenty eight days of getting a positive China flu swab, your death is classified as China flu, with the result that the death rate from cancer, heart attacks, etc, would go down by an amount almost exactly equal to the number of China flu deaths.

    • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

      When i first heard someone speak of ‘the omicron variant’, i thought they were making a nerdy joke.

      Turns out – once again – the real joke is the ‘thought leaders’ in charge.

      • someDude says:

        They will run through the entire Greek Alphabet. We have the eta, theta, tau, psi, phi, pi, zeta, Sigma, epsilon variants still to come.

        Or else mix and match some colors with other microbes. How about Black Fungus, Green Hydra, Red bacteria, Blue Amoeba and so on and so forth?

  20. jimisQ says:

    My current plan is to acquire a small farm somewhere in Europe in the near future, and use this to be somewhat self-sufficient in case SHTF.

    It would only be a few acres and somewhere out of the way. I will be joined by some family, around 10 of us in total. Not planning on any kind of commercial farming. I am not rich, but have enough money to last quite a few years without needing to work. Not working, as well as living in the middle of nowhere, should help greatly with avoiding COVID mandates.

    Eastern Europe for the most part doesn’t allow foreigners to buy agricultural land, so my only option is Western or Central Europe. I am probably going to rule out England, since the anglosphere seems to be worse in a lot of ways. Also, a quick getaway into a neighboring country is easier on the mainland. This leaves only a few countries to choose from.

    Is this a stupid idea? I know it didn’t end well for farmers in Russia or in South Africa. Do you expect small homesteads to be a target of covetous leftists? I would expect there would be plenty of looting to be done in the cities first, then in the towns, and then larger farms. I am really just hoping that I’m last in line to be fed to the crocs.

    The plan should be solid against the two most immediate threats: covid worship and financial collapse/food shortages. Genocide might be on the cards but your prediction for that is 2026, and hopefully by then some more options emerge.

    The other two options seem to be:
    – don’t settle anywhere, be ready to move around as the situation evolves. This is hard with young children and needing to keep up with the latest rule changes and restrictions.
    – move to somewhere well and truly outside of the GAE. This is hard because of visa requirements, not being able to own land, not knowing the language or culture

    • jim says:

      That much family provides a significant defensive capability, in the case that the state is too incohesive to efficiently apply a state level attack against landowners.

      In the russian and chinese revolutions, the state was that cohesive. In the french revolution, they had big problems applying centralized force against dispersed force. Venezuela is in between. In the cities, property is worthless, in the countryside, depends on your defensive capability.

      Hard to predict the future, but it seems a whole lot better than nothing at all. And way better than these solo preppers. (Though I am a solo prepper, but that is not my primary defensive plan.)

      • Jimisajew says:

        [*deleted*]

        • jim says:

          All your stuff gets dumped until you take the Soros shill test, and Starman’s stronger version of the Woman Question test.

          You sound like a Soros shill. But I will take you off moderation, and your stuff will appear unfiltered, and I will debate your points, if you take those tests.

          But debate with shills leads nowhere and just leads to a repetitious waste of space. It is like talking back to one’s television – what the television says is not going to change.

          Your points are Soros points, but I would love to debate Soros’ positions if I had someone to debate them with. Which I don’t. Pointless to speak back to one of thousand loudspeakers connected to one microphone.

          • Jimisajew says:

            [*deleted*]

            • jim says:

              Silently deleting all your stuff, primarily for failure to respond to the Soros test. Also your response to Starman’s test was a total fail. Crimestop caused you to substitute a completely different issue for Age of Consent issue. You were unable to read, or not permitted to acknowledge reading, what he said.

      • jimisQ says:

        What is your alternative plan?

        Depending on the implementation of vax mandates, my plan may not be feasible, as Karl says. If it is a “one fine per jab” scenario then we could tolerate it, but otherwise it will add up quickly.

        I am interested in hearing alternate plans that people have for the short term, over the next year or so. If I was an American I would of course move to Florida and wait things out from there. I don’t think entry to USA is very easy as a non-American pureblood.

        I know close to nothing about south america and their politics. How safe are the countries there and how do you expect them to fare over the next few years?

        • The Cominator says:

          “I don’t think entry to USA is very easy as a non-American pureblood.”

          What country are you from?

          Entering legally no. But if you cross the border illegally and if you get caught claim you’re a gay who feared persecution or something (a tranny would be even holier but you have to worry that they might actively offer to pay to cut your dick off and throw you out when you proved reluctant).

        • yewotm8 says:

          Enter the US on a work visa. Make a fake business card and some purchase invoices from a big US company and say you are a technician coming to train US workers on your product and that you’ll be creating American jobs to service it.

          Nobody will come to check up on how your trip is going, where you are, and when you will be leaving. It is impossible for them to keep track of that. You could very easily live “off-grid” and pay for things in crypto or cash if you get along well with neighbours and local authorities.

          • G.T. Chesterton says:

            Immigration is far more willing to deport a White person for overstaying a visa, but you need to be on their radar for them to go looking for you. Border Patrol is also sick of all the fake “gay persecution” amnesty claims they get from shitskins, so don’t think those magic words will get you in.

      • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

        We have seen that the state’s ability to project force is nearly non-existent. The Taliban were one thing; that was a live faith versus a dead faith and so they were carrying a massive force multiplier. When the regime security forces are getting stomped by pedos, that is a totally different animal. I seriously doubt the ability of the regime to successfully employ force against anyone who is offering any serious resistance, and the bar to qualify as serious is plummeting. They have the illusion of power, which makes them powerful at first glance, but truesight sees through such illusions.

    • Karl says:

      I do not think your plan is solid against the thread of covid worship. If for example, the country where you buy your farm mandates the clot shot, you either prove compliance or you are fined.

      Faking compliance as a recent immigrant might be difficult. If you are fined, merely paying the fines does not solve your problem. A few weeks later you receive another fine as you are still not complying. As you own property (your farm) these fines can be enforced rather easily. The government simply sizes your farm and auctions it off to pay your fines.

    • Fireball says:

      Europe is probably too densely populated and urbanized for your plan to work.

      From past experiences gain by some stress test that have happen looting in the cities is not a defense since food will very quickly disappear and people will Just grab their cars and roam the country side.

  21. The Cominator says:

    BTW good news from Florida, had a conversation with a paramedic girl late tonight. Apparently going rate on getting vaxxed without getting vaxxed if needed here is only 100 bucks (in Florida it seems the nurses etc tend to be non vaxxed and antivax, I don’t have enough data to survey doctors). The girl was not the especially psychotic type either (all women are crazy but she was not especially crazy seeming for a woman). I didn’t ask for specifics yet but next time she goes to my usual bar (I’ve seen her before but didn’t get to talk much before tonight) I will.

    • Karl says:

      Diffucult to survey vaxx rates. Most of those who fake it, won’t admit it.

      I wondered whether forgery of vaxx certificates was made so easy in order to get the anti-vaxxers to shut up. Most of those who have a forged vaxx card, find it difficult to have anti-vaxx stance in public.

      Nonetheless, I do not think that easy forgery was intentional. There is not that much competence and planning behind the worship of the covid demon.

      • The Cominator says:

        These aren’t forgeries this is legit you go to the injection appointment and don’t get injected but you get the card and presumably put in the database.

        And as I said not the crazy type, no visible tats blue hair attention seeking behavior so I think she wasn’t bullshitting.

        She didn’t say she was fake vaxxed she told me she wasn’t but I then mentioned if I had to get it I try to payoff someone to fake inject me, she said she knew people and it cost 100 bucks. I said wow I expected the going rate would have been more like 500 to 1000.

        • Karl says:

          Yes, 100 bucks is a bargain.

          I understand that get a real certificate. My point that is difficult to find out by a survey how many used this way applies just as well

          • The Cominator says:

            I’ll get more details next time I see her, it may be a while I’ve seen her before (never really talked before tonight) but she’s not exactly a regular regular. But it sounds like at least in red areas some of the nurses are willing to do this for people at low cost.

            • Pooch says:

              Bang her.

              • The Cominator says:

                She was not unescorted or especially flirtatious (I wouldn’t say she was unfriendly or bitchy either but she actually wanted to go home the boyfriend was playing pool with one other guy long after she wanted to go she wasn’t bitchy to him either she just apparently had to be at work at 5:30 in the morning) and I’m not chad, I mention it because I figured the vax info would be of interest here.

        • yewotm8 says:

          The going rate elsewhere is $5000 per “injection”. Florida is a great place.

          • The Cominator says:

            If I had to guess without the benefit of this 5000 sounds way too high, 100 sounds too low.

            • Jehu says:

              $100 sounds like there’s a lot of it going on and the local authorities in Florida would be ‘shocked, shocked’ at such things going on.

              An elegant Mediterranean solution I have to say.

            • Red says:

              I’m pretty sure a CVS vaccine monkey would take a C-note to shoot the vaccine into a trash can and mark you down as vaccinated.

  22. Pseudo-Chrysotom says:

    Three decent men sentenced to death or life in prison[1] for patrolling one violent nog. Perhaps on some subconscious level the more normie jurors were thinking, ‘well since kyle got off the hook, i do not have to feel like i need to be a hero, and can safely bow with the wind here, the scales are balanced’. But of course the scales were never balanced; a ‘balanced’ approach to a ratchet means only the parts that help turn it one way stick, and are the ‘new normal’ for the next round of ‘balanced reasonable compromise’.

    [1]which is also a death sentence, but puritan; spitefully cruel, hypocritically easier on their conscience, and egregiously inefficient – a perfect encapsulation the outlook on life.

    • yewotm8 says:

      In a discussion recently with some normiecons about this (most of whom did think the nog in question was guilty) I came to the realization that if Arbery had not been committing a crime at the time, if he had actually been innocent, then the case wouldn’t have been blown up in the media.

      Jim usually credits their lack of championing innocent blacks killed by white men or cops as the posterboy principle, in that there simply aren’t any, and they use the best they’ve got. But I get the feeling they do exist, just that there is nothing to be gained, no justice to be perverted, no naked power to be wielded, no objectivity to be destroyed, by either supporting those who are actually innocent, or by persecuting those who are actually guilty. Their goal is to make the law whatever they want it to be, and they do whatever they can to maximally distort it. Their stated reasoning is that the black man dindu nuffin (with the implication that black men everywhere and at all times dindu nuffin), but this is simply an instrument to attain their real goal, which is to increase the degree of anarcho-tyranny they can wield against the citizenry.

      Likewise Kyle, if he had actually been guilty of going out and hunting commies (of course this is a good thing, but according to the law as it is written and commonly understood, it is illegal) without shooting in self-defense, they wouldn’t have made such a fuss over him. The majority of people would have thought it wrong to just go out and shoot “protesters” without being provoked, and so there would be no point to make in his prosecution. They’d still do it of course, but without so much uproar.

      • The Cominator says:

        Every time Kyle crosses state lines 1000 tranny pocs kill themselves.

      • notglowing says:

        > But I get the feeling they do exist, just that there is nothing to be gained,
        This was pointed out back when the incident happened by some right ring analysts. Same with the George Floyd situation.
        In the case of blacks being killed by police for example, there is nothing to gain from it if the police officer is clearly just an evil racist who wants to hunt black people. Everyone would blame the officer, he would go to jail, but there would be no argument for police reform. It’s an individuals actions.

        Only when the situation is ambiguous, do you have an argument for the police being “systemically” wrong.
        If they were doing their duty but just went too far, then there is something wrong with how the police is doing their jobs in general.
        If kneeling on a criminal is a routine thing police officers do, then clearly there’s a problem with their methods.

        • jim says:

          > If kneeling on a criminal is a routine thing police officers do, then clearly there’s a problem with their methods.

          On the contrary, this is by far the safest and most effective way of subduing someone who is stubbornly resisting. All other methods have a higher risk of injury or death, particularly when dealing with someone who is apt to surrender, then immediately unsurrender.

          In this case, they kneeled on him for longer than they should have, but that is not what killed Floyd. What killed Floyd is that he disposed of the drugs by swallowing them, and he swallowed a lot of drugs.

          • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

            They kneeled on Floyd because he kept unsurrendering. Chauvin did nothing wrong but treat one of The Most Holy and Saintly Negros like a normal person. His problem was that it looked bad. Someone who unsurrenders has earned a lot more than kneeling on them. George Floyd deserved to be treated like Rodney King, and he got off lightly.

            • The Cominator says:

              There were four of them, don’t see why they couldn’t have cuffed his ass and thrown it in the back. He probably died of OD and George Floyd was a piece of shit but the continous neck kneeling was stupid when they had four cops.

              • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

                They tried to get him in the back, and he resisted successfully enough that they could not get him to stay in there. He was over six feet, pretty built, and on a shitload of drugs. It is not hard to see why it was hard to get him to comply. When you are on shit like that, you can get stupid strong and do not feel pain. The proper response to someone doing that is to kneel on the neck until they get a clue. The proper response to someone who cooperates and then stops cooperating over and over is to kick him in the ribs until he cannot move on his own, then toss his limp body in the back of the squad car.

                Like I said, the only thing they did wrong was an optics problem. Floyd deserved a lot worse than what he got.

          • notglowing says:

            >On the contrary, this is by far the safest and most effective way of subduing someone who is stubbornly resisting.

            I didn’t claim otherwise, I was making the leftist argument. The fact that kneeling on criminals is something that the police should do in order to do their work, means that the solution is to make it impossible for the police to do their work.
            The closer to legitimate their actions are, the more extremely can you compromise the ability of the police to survive and arrest criminals through policy.

      • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

        I think there is also a great degree of this, and i do think there may some in the old guard of the old liberal order that do explicitly think of it in terms like this, but with much of it arising on a rather more autonomic level; in that the unambiguous cases don’t generate ‘controversy’ one way or another to begin with, and it is precisely those edge cases where the usual ‘dindu nuffin’ narrative can be plausibly but not unambiguously pushed back on by legacy americans jumping into the fray, which then provokes double again assertion of the dindu narrative in response by regresslings jumping into the fray in turn, that thus start spiraling up into cause celibres.

        • jim says:

          The Zimmerman case was totally unambiguous. So was the Duke University case, the Kyle case, and the Virginia U cases.

          Those cases generated totally manufactured controversy because the cases that they were looking for simply did not exist at all. Anywhere. Ever. They looked very very hard for a case that could fit their narrative, and absolutely and completely failed to find any such cases.

          • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

            They are totally unambiguous from my perspective; but the most important thing is how easily do the particulars of the case *lend themselves to being spun* in a way that *is* ambiguous in the news pulpits preaching about it.

            ‘Kyle Rittenhouse shoots three at black lives matter protest’ is a statement that is both basically true as far as it goes and also the reason why most regresslings carried the farcical idea he shot three blaque pipo rather than a coterie of degenerate heebs and soyboys playing jackboot (irrespective of whether the difference matters of course); and of course naturally none of the antifact checkers would be going to go out of their way to ‘correct’ the assumptions that are serving their purposes in whipping up furor to begin with.

            • jim says:

              But if someone had actually shot three black people, and it had not been recorded on video where everyone could see it was self defense against aggressors with what looked like, and must have looked to Kyle Rittenhouse like, homicidal intent, would that not have served their cause vastly better?

              From which we may conclude that not one case existed that would have served their cause better – same principle as the Virginia University “rapes”, Emmett Till “lynched”, Marie Curie, Florence Nightingale, and all the rest.

              They are not ignoring unambiguous cases. There are no unambiguous cases. None. Zero. Among hundreds of millions of people, and centuries of history.

              • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                I would not hazard to say that is yewotm8’s point, and not sure i should be arguing it for him.

                The intuition i was corroboration was a sense that cases where argument appears possible seem *more* likely to become publicized, not less, on account of the social dynamics so described – where either a glut or dearth of outlets for the dynamic to play out being a tangential point to it’s description.

                With regards to, “But if someone had actually shot three black people, and it had not been recorded on video where everyone could see it was self defense against aggressors with what looked like, and must have looked to Kyle Rittenhouse like, homicidal intent, would that not have served their cause vastly better?”, his thesis appears to be that no, it would not serve them better, on account of it not being an opportunity for a expression of caprice in a schmittian sense (deciding the exceptions).

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  >The intuition i was corroboration was a sense that cases where argument appears possible seem *more* likely to become publicized, not less, on account of the social dynamics so described – where either a glut or dearth of outlets for the dynamic to play out being a tangential point to it’s description.

                  Which is to say, not just a matter of the criminal injustice system of the occupying regime, but something you can see play out in many social contexts, whether it’s company board rooms or trading card game enthusiasts.

                • jim says:

                  > it would not serve them better, on account of it not being an opportunity for a expression of caprice in a schmittian sense (deciding the exceptions).

                  Caprice implies an abundance of choice. Demonstrating caprice requires demonstrating abundance of choice. We know in the Virginia University case, they scraped through the ground mighty hard, came up empty handed. Obviously, they did not have abundance of choice. The entire security and educationist federal state apparatus was putting the squeeze mighty hard on university admins everywhere to come up with something. They squeezed, not a drop came forth. They squeezed harder, not a drop came forth. So they squeezed harder still, and university admins went through the motions of coming up with something, but absolutely nothing was usable.

                  They definitely and spectacularly failed to demonstrate abundance of choice that time around.

                • yewotm8 says:

                  Right, my claim is that such wrongfully slain blacks probably exist, but you don’t hear about them. The killer is silently prosecuted.

                • jim says:

                  If true, produce one such black.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  In fact, lots of wrongfully slain blacks exist.

                  Thing is, it’s always another black doing the wrongful slaying.

              • ten says:

                I am too young to remember the rodney king incident and probably first heard about it ten years after the event. Some sporadic searching for how it was his own fault and he had it coming has yielded nothing. It is of course still my suspicion that it is the case. Will someone set me straight?

                • jim says:

                  Short answer is that the officers were charged with excessive force. Jury acquitted.

                  video of the beating is fifteen minutes long – but for some strange and inexplicable reason they only show the final ten seconds of it when Rodney King stopped fighting but the officers got in a few more whacks more Odd that.

                  From that, you can figure what the other fifteen minutes showed. He just kept on fighting until quite seriously and severely injured. What you see in the final few seconds is a very badly injured man surrendering, and still getting whacked despite surrendering. But, given the previous fifteen minutes, police understandably took a while to believe he had surrendered.

                • DavyCrockett says:

                  Jim, is there anywhere I can watch the Full Rodney King beating video where you can see him fighting/ resisting arrest? I looked pretty hard on Youtube and it looks like they’ve scrubbed it/hidden it there.

                • Red says:

                  >Jim, is there anywhere I can watch the Full Rodney King beating video where you can see him fighting/ resisting arrest? I looked pretty hard on Youtube and it looks like they’ve scrubbed it/hidden it there.

                  It’s never been released to the public as far as I know.

                • G.T. Chesterton says:

                  Do you need a video to change your mind of something? It doesn’t matter what’s on the missing tape; it only matters that the propaganda outlets broadcast the “incriminating” sixty seconds into South Central LA.

                  Even if the entire tape was aired, the chimps would have only seen the part that riled them up. Witness the Waukesha Christmas massacre. Some ape heard that White Kyle killed people at a Black Lives Matter protest, and was found not guilty. His brain filtered out most details, leaving only “White… killed … Black… not guilty”, and rage. It didn’t matter if Chauvin sat on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes. Only 8 seconds played on a loop was necessary to foment riots.

                  If you want facts, you can read interviews and court transcripts, and decide what is true or false. But your knowledge of truth won’t stop the animals from stampeding, in the past or future.

                  Even if facts had proved the officers’ guilt, the resulting riot and deaths were in no way a justified response for the bruises and broken bones of a reckless drunk/high driver refusing to be brought before a magistrate for his misdeeds.

                • Jimisajew says:

                  [*much seen soros payload deleted*]

                  This is not about White or black.

                  [*much seen shill black pill deleted*]

                • jim says:

                  This one fragment of Soros script payload allowed through so that readers can see that I am getting the full range of soros script payloads and silently suppressing them.

                  Hail fellow right winger, worrying about blacks being used as shock troops against whites is not right wing. It is a diversion from what really matters. Worrying about powerful Jews near at hand is not right wing, you should worry about powerless Jews and far away Jews, or else you are incel and debased and insufficiently red pilled. And worrying about female misconduct leading to the white race disappearing through failure to reproduce means you are incel and support gays banging small boys. Hail fellow reactionary, I am more reactionary than thou.

                • alf says:

                  Reading up on Rodney I find that he drowned in his own swimming pool while drunk and on drugs. Seems fitting.

                • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

                  Rodney King let the police on a very dangerous high-speed chase through LA, then got out of his car and ran from them. They caught him and he fought them, which they solved by beating the shit out of him with batons. He would lay still and stop fighting, and the police would back off, only to get up and start fighting once more. This happened several times, up until the ending of the video, which we all have seen. After he was laying there they hit him a few more times to make sure he was not getting up again, which was an entirely reasonable response.

                • Pooch says:

                  The ironic thing is when police were no longer allowed to Rodney King blacks resisting arrest it meant they were more likely to use deadly force against them as their prime means of subdueing them them with non-lethal beat downs was removed.

      • Tityrus says:

        > But I get the feeling they do exist, just that there is nothing to be gained, no justice to be perverted, no naked power to be wielded, no objectivity to be destroyed, by either supporting those who are actually innocent, or by persecuting those who are actually guilty.

        If something like that were to actually happen, they could pervert justice, wield naked power, and destroy objectivity just as well by insinuating that such cases happen way more than they actually do. They could point to the unambiguous case to prime people’s feelings towards the ambiguous cases.

        > Their goal is to make the law whatever they want it to be, and they do whatever they can to maximally distort it.

        Their goal is just to be more left-wing than their neighbors. The law is not whatever they want it to be, it’s whatever Baal and Moloch want it to be.

        > Likewise Kyle, if he had actually been guilty of going out and hunting commies (of course this is a good thing, but according to the law as it is written and commonly understood, it is illegal) without shooting in self-defense, they wouldn’t have made such a fuss over him.

        The usual suspects would have inevitably asked the question, “WHY did Kyle want to kill commies?” And they would have inevitably came up with some answer about Facebook social media radicalization white supremacy internalized racism etc etc etc, and then push the usual remedies with renewed vigor.

        • jim says:

          > If something like that were to actually happen, they could pervert justice, wield naked power, and destroy objectivity just as well by insinuating that such cases happen way more than they actually do. They could point to the unambiguous case to prime people’s feelings towards the ambiguous cases.

          As I keep saying, if they could come up with one good poster girl, we would never stop seeing prime time movies about her, and her picture would be on the rec room wall of every business.

          When I was small child, without a political thought in my head, I asked my dad why the school was making a big deal about Marie Curie. I believed at the time she was the person that discovered radium, and did not know that the was the least important person on a three person team, and only on the team because banging the boss, but it still seemed like much ado about nothing. Dad had no real answer. If they had better poster girls, would run with them. Similarly, I did not know that Florence Nightingale’s primary job was performed horizontally, and she continued right on in that career after being made into a poster girl, but it still seemed strange to me.

          • The Cominator says:

            RE women and the sciences. Also every woman who can plausibly even claim to have made a crucial assistant to male scientists or inventors that I can think of were jewish *.

            Gentile west european type white girls don’t deviate from average IQ enough to get there and its incredibly stupid to teach them they can and should want to.

            (the big three being Curie, Franken and Lamarr. They don’t like to use Lamarr because feminists don’t want one of their feminist icons to have been an ex prostitute turned eye candy actress who had a prominent Nazi party munitions manufacturer as an ex husband despite her having the best claim to have been more than a mere lab assistant out of the three)

            • The Original OC says:

              The only significant woman scientist in history is Emmy Noether, though surprisingly little is made of her, perhaps because progs are too dumb to understand what she did.

              • The Cominator says:

                Didn’t know about her but looks like it.

                But also like even the three important lab assistants also a jew.

              • jim says:

                Emmy Noether was a great scientist. The rest of them were valuable lab assistants. Marie Curie was the chick who measured radioactivity in samples prepared by her husband using equipment invented and for the most part built by her great scientist husband.

                But it was said of her that that though she was great, it was uncertain that she was a woman. Those who knew her found her strangely unfeminine – maybe she was a genuine biological transexual, or maybe a man in deep cover. She was a woman that those who knew her felt was strikingly masculine for a woman.

                Still, if they want to be persuasive, should run with Emmy Noether, rather than Marie Curie. But as you say, they just cannot comprehend what she accomplished.

                • Tityrus says:

                  I know another notable female mathematician of whom the same could be said: Karen Uhlenbeck, who is still alive (age 79). She made important contributions to differential geometry. And if you look up pictures of her she looks like a man in drag.

            • Oog en Hand says:

              Jews are IQ-bred for theology, more precisely, religious law.

              • jim says:

                I would describe Jewish religious law not as religious law, but as an attempt to Jew god. Jewish talmudism resembles the infamous Jewish approach to contracts and bets. The Jew is apt to come up with a clever explanation that proves that you agreed to something that you did not know you agreed to, and would certainly not have agreed to had you realized what you were supposedly agreeing to.

                They tried it two millenia ago, and Gnon was not amused.

          • Upravda says:

            I’ve noticed that a few times you derided Florence Nightingale. Reading between the lines one can forebode that she was somewhat off, some kind of libertine type, but I wouldn’t go so far to say she was some total bitch. Crazy “baba” perhaps, but nothing extraordinary.

            So, would you care to elaborate?

  23. Jimisajew says:

    Though I passed his weird shit test, comments are still shut down. [*deleted*]

    • jim says:

      You passed on the woman question test, which has always worked in the past, but your comments are repetitious and unresponsive. And they grind away on Soros script topics. Can you pass the Soros test?

      You argue land is valuable. It is only valuable if the state does not allow large scale collective violence against property owners. Without coordinated collective defense of property against coordinated collective attack, land is suicidal – albeit I own quite a lot of land, and expect it to appreciate, and continue to appreciate in dollar terms for quite a while. But I keep an eye out for the coming storm, and expect and intend to sell most of it as the storm draws near.

      Whoever plans to hold land long term is giving hostages to the current priesthood unless he is making plans for local collective defense of property.

      Land in Detroit became worthless, and the same happened in one place after another under Obama, and is no longer attracting attention. People are thinking that Kenosha will not happen again, but we see large scale looting in San Francisco in the past few days, and police stand around like potted palms, as they stood around in Kenosha. I sold my land in San Francisco quite some time ago, and I see the signs near and far that I saw in San Francisco.

      Any plan to hold onto land has to be coordinated with a plan to build a tribe capable of collectively defending that land. Advising land with no plans for tribe building just means supporting the existing officially unofficial priesthood, which is likely to start killing landowners by and by.

      You keep raising the issue of Israel, which makes me think you are a Soros shill, but maybe you just read too many Soros shills. Israel is going down. It has been losing wars with great regularity. No nation with a gay parade has won a war, and old type Muslims smell blood in the air.

      I delete your comments about Israel, because it is a shill issue that shills bring up to distract people – that Soros brings up to distract people.

      If you are not on Soros’s payroll and do not have his HR department looking over your shoulder, ask yourself why you are pushing the same stuff as Soros.

      Soros is not planning to run to Israel when things go pear shaped, because he is trying to make sure that Israel is destroyed before America is.

      You passed the woman question shill test, which has always been reliable in the past, and always stopped Soros shills.

      Let us see if you can pass the Soros test (which FBI shills can pass with flying colors, but Soros shills cannot pass so far).

      How do we say Soros got his money? He is one of those people that Trollbuster seems to refer to as super producers.

      • Jimisajew says:

        Soros got rich through swindle. He helped Germany plunder his tribesmen during WW-2, he manipulated the currency and commodities market in the UK, he engages in insider trading with Gates and Buffet, he receives donations through his Open Society foundation.

        I don’t know what “WE” at Jim’s blog says but that is the reality of how he made his money.

        You think I work for Soros? Are you stupid or just evil?

        Soros is a sneaky jew. At the top of the jew food chain and engages in typical jew behavior.

        • jim says:

          Massively failed the Soros shill test.

          Looks like Soros shills got their leash loosened a little so that they can pass as crime thinkers.

          So, in future, when I see what looks like a Soros script, going to ask primarily for the Soros test.

          You don’t have to give the true answer on Soros, but you do have to acknowledge our answer, even if only by explicitly arguing that we are wrong, rather than just cheerfully assuming that we and everyone else knows that our answer is wrong and just not noticing our answer.

          Soros first got rich back in the days of government fixed currency exchange rates. These rates had to be changed from time to time, because of different rates of (usually unacknowledged) inflation, and Soros had a strange ability to know the exact time of such changes, indicative of inside information.

          When fixed exchange rates went away, so did his strange ability to predict exchange rate changes, and instead a different mechanism was applied to channel government funds to him. Instead he would buy up worthless third world debt, and the World Bank, aka the US taxpayer, would make the debt worth something.

          So why this strange generosity to Soros by the US state department?

          Soros is a laundry for US government money. They funnel money to him, and he funnels money to ngos that carry out US government policy in foreign lands. Ngo stands for “non governmental organization”, but ngo employees supposedly funded by Soros tend to think of themselves and call themselves government employees. They are on a revolving door between official government employment and unofficial government employment, and often continue to work at the same desk in the same office regardless of who their salary is billed to. The laundry exists on the paper trail, but frequently fails to exist at the level of where one’s desk is located, the staff that clean the office, and the information technology department that provides the computer and installs software on it. Much like the FBI and “Criminal Informants”.

          • The Cominator says:

            To be fair on the Soros test its OUR belief (and the correct one) that he is a front for people higher than him, and thus is allowed to make money on inside information. But this belief is not universal on the more bluepilled parts of the right and you don’t necessarily have to be a shill to believe that Soros is some kind of evil independent actor rather than a servant of greater evil powers.

            • jim says:

              You don’t have to be a shill to think that.

              You do have to be a shill to stubbornly fail to notice anyone thinking differently.

            • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

              Agreed with The Cominator. He might not be aware of the NRx position on Soros and how the USG uses him to attack communities. Let us see if he can notice what Soros does with prosecutors and funneling government dollars to leftist front groups.

          • Jimisajew says:

            Soros is a laundry for US government money. They funnel money to him, and he funnels money to ngos that carry out US government policy in foreign lands.

            Sounds about right but change US Government to ZOG.

            • jim says:

              And what is that “sounds about right”? It is pretty obvious that shill supervisors and human resources departments read what their shills post, but don’t read what they are replying to.

              This is the standard way to run an entryist operation. Your entryists are exposed to dangerous thoughts, so you tightly supervise them by people who are not exposed to dangerous thoughts. To tell if you have a supervisor, I want to see if you can expose him to dangerous thoughts, if only by piously disputing those thoughts.

              And while we are at it, where is this ZOG located geographically?

              A little while ago, the Chinese government arrested a bunch of “ngo employees” on the Soros “Open Society” payroll for doing in China what you would expect them to be doing in China – they had extensive backgrounds in official US government state department employment and official Harvard employment, but that was not who their wages and expenses were billed to while they were operating in China.

              So where do you think the people who have authority over them, who caused them to be in China attempting to overthrow the regime, are located geographically? Reply in a way that makes it clear that your interlocutor thinks those people were located in Washington and New York, and that you are disputing that claim, that you are disputing the position that your interlocutor holds.

              What is the position that you vaguely affirm you are sort of on side with.

              • Jimisajew says:

                [*deleted*]

                • jim says:

                  Soros shill confirmed.

                  If you can expose your supervisor to dangerous thoughts, even if only disputing those thoughts in a way that makes it clear to someone who is forbidden to read what you are replying to what you are replying to, I will take you off moderation, and can post away freely without me getting the chance to pre-emptively delete the Soros garbage in your comments before they appear.

                  At the moment, I am inclined to the conjecture that Soros shills, though not yet FBI shills, have been allowed a long enough leash that the Woman Question test is no longer reliable.

                • Jimisajew says:

                  [*deleted*]

                • jim says:

                  You make a reasonable argument disagreeing with our position – without ever mentioning what the position is that you are disagreeing with.

                  This pattern is consistent with the standard way of operating an entryist operation, where the entryist shills, who are necessarily exposed to dangerous thoughts and thus likely to become double agents, are closely supervised and monitored by supervisors who may not be exposed to dangerous thoughts, to reduce the risk of supervisors becoming double agents.

                  Which makes arguing with a shill a pointless and repetitive waste of space.

                  I would be glad to reply to your argument – that Soros is Jewish funded rather than US government state department funded – if you were able to say what the position is that that you are disputing.

                  But I get the strong impression that you are not allowed to explicitly acknowledge the dangerous thoughts in a way that makes it clear to your reader what those thoughts are – that you are writing for someone who is required to read what you write, but forbidden to read the context that you are writing in.

                • Starman says:

                  @Jimisajew

                  You passed the easy level WQ.

                  Let’s see if you can pass the hard level WQ:

                  Should the AoC (Age of Consent) be raised from 16-18 to 21-25?
                  [A] No, because the AoC of 16-18 is perfect.
                  [B] Yes, because that will prevent the Jews from pimping out young White women as prostitutes and porn actresses. The Jews are able to control White women by getting to them young, so just by waiting a few years longer before women get to have sex, we can prevent Jewish corruption from reaching the impressionable minds of college-age women. Because White women are totally angels.
                  [C] No, and in fact, there should be no AoC. Consent is opaque to a woman. Women seek to score alpha male dick from a disturbingly young age, and are apt to succeed when they grow boobs. The solution is young marriage for women, shotgun marriage, arranged marriage and in some cases marriage-by-abduction.
                  [D] Yes, because it has been scientifically established that the brain only finally stops developing around age 25 or so, and before one’s brain is fully developed, one is simply incapable of giving genuine consent to sex.
                  [E] Yes, the AoC is the best tool we conservative fathers currently have to protect our daughters from predatory men. The higher the AoC, the more legal power we fathers have to stop bad men from defiling our daughters and spoiling our precious princesses. In fact, since women should marry at 30 or so, the AoC should be 30.

      • Jimisajew says:

        [*continued failure to pass the Soros shill test and continued denials about Soros deleted. We have seen it all before*]

        I have a little test of my own: Why did the jews kill our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and what is the Deicidal Curse that is on the head of all jews for all eternity every generation?

        • jim says:

          I have already posted the answer to that many, many times, most recently in The Parable of the Wicked Vinedressers

          Probably not the answer you were looking for, but let me see you explain what is wrong with that answer.

          And the curse is not on their head for eternity. To get out from under it, they have to collectively and as a tribe and society return to following, instead of Jewing, the commandments, accept the spirit of the law and Jesus Christ as its embodiment. The Temple has to be rebuilt, and has to come to embody the spirit and intent of the commandments, rather than endless pile of legalism concocted to evade the spirit and intent. Not holding my breath. The curse might be for all eternity, but that is up to them. They can end it at any time.

          • Jimisajew says:

            [*deleted*]

            • jim says:

              An entirely relevant reply, but deleted because of ambiguity as to whether my post answers your question. Did it answer your question?

              The Jews declared that the deicidal curse would be on them and their children forever, but that is for God, not them, to decide. I interpret Jesus as declaring otherwise. Albeit so far, the conditions for the curse to be lifted seem unlikely to be fulfilled any time soon, and the way the wind blows the curse will be fulfilled yet again in a little while with yet another genocidal expulsion from Israel. But that is up to them. They need to stop worrying about cheese crumbs and double dishwashers, and start worrying about the gay parade.

  24. Dss says:

    If one were a young person without much money would it be wise to cash out IRAs and things like that?

    • The Ducking Man says:

      Disclaimer: I am 27 yo Indonesian speaking here.

      I would be surprised if US government will still be around by the time you are eligible to cash out IRA.

      Personally, I cash out all my “mandatory” retirement fund. I don’t care if I incurred hefty penalty because deep down I don’t believe my glaringly stupid government will last WW3 (which may happen sooner than expected).

    • S says:

      Inflation will make it worthless even if the government doesn’t collapse. I personally am stalling to switch money to cryto/gold/not-dollars (lazyiness plus worry ‘there will only be one’) but highly illiquid options that pay out in non-adjusted cash are bad options; you are better off having the equivalent currency in pennies.

  25. The Bidenator says:

    FDA report finds all-cause mortality higher among vaccinated

    https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1463683363525599234

    I know there is no such thing as a “margin of fraud”, but is there a “margin of all-cause mortality”?

    • The Bidenator says:

      By the way, the data in question is the clinical trial. 21 vaccinated deaths vs 17 unvaccinated deaths, with group sizes of 22000. Comparing the two proportions gives me a Z-statistic of 0.64917, so no statistically significant difference between the groups.

  26. Fireball says:

    The fact that the blockchain is public and exist is no a problem? Everyone can see it.

    • jim says:

      It is a huge problem, for which problem the lightning network, done right, is the solution.

      I was and am very unhappy with the lightning network as actually implemented right now, but I am starting to see the will and plan to fix it.

  27. Trollercoaster says:

    This is an absolutely horrible take on par with your horrible takes on Trump and what he represented. “OMG God emperor Trump is on our side! He knows if he loses the election they’ll kill him and his family!” Meanwhile he spent his entire administration catering to Israel and black criminals, going so far as to offer $2 trillion in racial bribes to nonwhites in a failed bid to get reelected.

    Your blog used to be kind of good but it started to go downhill with the Trump idiocy and never recovered.

    As far as why this take is so bad: gold and bitcoin are completely dissimilar and shouldn’t even be compared. Gold is wealth without any counterparty risk; bitcoin is not. Your bitcoin is, at best, an abstract claim that cannot be redeemed for real world things without the bitcoin network. You’re reliant on not only internet access but also the bitcoin network being up and functional and capable of validating your claim to owning a bitcoin. Further, given that precious few entities will accept direct payment in bitcoin you’re reliant on an exchange or similar entity that will provide you the currency that people actually will accept. Lastly you’re reliant on the cabal of developers that control bitcoin; it’s manmade gay internet coin and the rules that govern it aren’t immutable and subject to not only to national politics but “community” politics & drama. So there is a high level counterparty risk as well as political risk.

    Bitcoin is not money. It is not wealth. It is similar to pokemon cards or powerball tickets. Unlike gold, the bitcoin market is illiquid. There is no way to redeem all the bitcoin out there for anything resembling its current market cap. If you’re a whale, you know the game is to attempt to sell your holdings slowly to get a piece of the sliver of dumb money entering the crypto ecosystem. Once the dumb money stops pouring in the entire scam will collapse. In contrast if you want to sell fifty tons of gold you’ll likely be able to do so for a premium.

    The idea that bitcoin will win out over gold because “BITCOIN NUMBER GO UP! GOLD NUMBER NOT GO UP!” is such a subhuman brainlet take. Do you think the ultra-rich give a fuck about “NUMBER GO UP?” They care about preserving what they have. Unlike plebs entranced by their numbers going up, they have experienced the need for gold as they have an extreme surplus of currency – so much that they can’t spend it all in their lifetime. Ever think maybe “NUMBER GO UP” is just a way to keep dumb pleb money’s eyes away from the real players and the real game? The world’s super-producers i.e. the elite are the ones who determine (have already determined) what the premier store of value is, not a bunch of nerds buying imaginary coins on their credit cards like powerball tickets and who jerk off to anime chicks.

    • jim says:

      I will restore your comment and respond to it if you can accurately state our position on the women question, even if only to disagree with it.

      But suspect that you are just a megaphone for someone else’s microphone, and responding to your comment would just be like talking back to the television.

      Take the shill test.

      Woman Question. If women are allowed sexual choice, what happens?

      Why are our laws on rape and sexual harassment failing catastrophically?

      To pass it is not required to agree with the reactionary view, but it is required to be acknowledge what the reactionary view is, rather than steelman it.

      Immigrant problem: What harms are immigrants causing?

      explain why Jews need their own civilization, and blacks do not fit into anyone’s civilization.

      A paid shill for the Chinese government cannot mention the resemblance between Winnie the Pooh and Xi Jinping, or acknowledge anyone else mentioning, and a paid shill for our government cannot mention characteristically female misconduct, or acknowledge anyone else mentioning it.

      Can you say things, or notice other people saying things, that someone under the supervision of our enemies could not say.

      https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=site%3Ablog.reaction.la+shill+test

      Let us start with the Soros test.

      Where did Soros get his money, what evil things has he been doing in America, what evil things has he been doing abroad?

      https://blog.reaction.la/science/the-spike-protein-is-cytotoxic/#comment-2738548

      https://blog.reaction.la/science/the-spike-protein-is-cytotoxic/#comment-2737769

      But the most important test, the easiest to pass, and the one where the answers are right in your face, is the women question test.

      Tell us why Mohammed is right about women.

      • Jimisajew says:

        From my experience, females are wildcats that like to go on the prowl after dark. This primordial drive starts at puberty. They are drawn to masculine men and want nothing more than be bent over and jackhammered. Men are builders of society and seek family and stable relationships. Women, if given too much freedom, will destroy society and should be subjugated.

        • jim says:

          pass.

          Restoring your attack on bitcoin – which still reads like a script to me, but if so you are spreading it on your own initiative, and not because your boss told you.

          I will reply in due course.

          • Trollercoaster says:

            This guy is not me.

          • Jimisajew says:

            I’m not the same guy as Troller, but I see his point. And, I also see Jim’s point too.

            But, you gotta ask yourself when TSHTF what do I want to be left holding?

            • jim says:

              When the shit hits the fan you will want gold, guns, and ammo – but I will be on the last plane out to someplace pleasant when the shit hits. And I will have to leave all my guns, gold, and ammo behind.

              You guys say I was a fool to place hope in Trump, but guns will do no good without a leader. If no leader, abandoning my guns.

              • Pooch says:

                In the event that we are the late Roman Empire, going to be a lot of kings of small armies in a sea of barbarianism.

              • Cloudswrest says:

                I would think the best thing to own if the shit hits the fan is a productive farm in a safe(r) foreign jurisdiction, with reliable water and power (possibly self generated). This way you can decouple as much as possible from society and “money”, and provide for most or all of your basic needs, at least until money is stable again.

                • Pooch says:

                  Loners on farms don’t have a good track record in collapse scenarios. Better to form a tribe first where ever you end up.

                • Kunning Drueger says:

                  Pooch hits the nail on the head. It is the Achilles Heel of prepperdom. Those who prepare, who have the foresight and gumption, tend to be loners. All the gold, guns, bitcoins, and bullets don’t mean a thing if you can’t qualify it with the reasonable expectation of deadly violence. The saw cutting the branch ‘neath modernism is the Monopoly of Force. They rely on it completely, and treat it like its a sclerotic growth in need of removal. But so long as they continue to populate their ranks, they stay in control. Similarly, as every gun American of whatever stripe withdraws into themselves, they negate almost their whole potential to do anything in the face of widespread collapse. Someone needs to cut this Gordian Knot and develop a Schelling Point for preppers, the faithful, the capable, the violent, and the good. Of course, any Fed leadership with half a brain knows this, which is why they focus very hard on any potential rally point or cry. It’s very frustrating.

                • Cloudswrest says:

                  In addition to farming food, assuming you have the land you can put up a good solar array (~50KW) and use it, among other things, to charge electric vehicles. That’ll keep you going if there are fuel shortages. Electricity is easier to manufacture than gasoline.

                • jim says:

                  The power grid has broken down here and there due to the Greenie priesthood taking it and being incapable of operating it, but as yet this has not been a crucial problem. However it is kept running by engineers nearing retirement age, and when they retire this problem is going to bite hard.

                  I hope we have a better battery or flywheel solution by then. Lead acid batteries are unsuitable for off grid power, since they fail under daily deep discharges and recharges. Musk was looking for a better battery solution, has not made much progress.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  Long term energy storage is usually easiest with electro-mechanical means.

                  For example, literal rocks. Generates power when lowered, and ‘recharged’ during off hours by raising them back up. Adiabatic compressed gas, and dammed hydropower, are other examples.

                  Proliferation of radioisotope thermal generators, such as used in the mars rover and other long term space installations, would be another significant step in solving problems in energy logistics. An EV with an RTG module could have functionally indefinite range, driving by day, and recharging over night. Would also facilitate powersharing functionalities for operation of other equipment where needed.

                • Cloudswrest says:

                  “Lead acid batteries are unsuitable for off grid power, since they fail under daily deep discharges and recharges.”

                  I wouldn’t eve consider lead acid batteries nowadays. LiFePO4 appear to be the way to go. See Amazon link below. They last 10 years or more and have built in electronic Battery Management Systems (BMS) that prevent over charging/over discharge. They’re also completely sealed, have higher volume energy storage and are physically lighter. Since charging these batteries below freezing damages them, many have built in heaters and the BMS diverts any input charging power to the heaters if the battery temperature is near or below freezing. Probably be cheaper to roll your own using these rather than buying a commercial Tesla Powerwall.

                  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09CD7519B

                • jim says:

                  The trouble is that you need an electronic control system feed dc power from the solar panels the LiFePO4 batteries, and feed power from the batteries to the inverter when the solar cells are drooping, and cut the solar cells off completely when they become a power drain, too dark to maintain voltage even at zero current.

                  Also, the standard inverter is designed to detect that it has an adequate grid connection, and refuse to operate if it is not connected to the grid, and feed all avaliable excess power to the grid. You have to circumvent or replace the grid inverter, which is designed to lock you in to a working grid connection. If the sun is shining, but grid power goes off, your power goes off, as the inverter refuses to accept power from the solar batteries.

                  It is not just that we have to add batteries, it is that we need an electronic control system to control the inverter.

                  The state does not like battery connected solar systems that are capable of operating when the grid fails or is deliberately disconnected. They tend to be borderline illegal. Totally off grid systems are legal, but grid connected systems that are capable of addressing frequent blackouts and brownouts, which we will be seeing a lot more of by and by, are greeted with as much enthusiasm as Ivermectin and vaccine associated heart attacks. You can get the batteries, but getting and installing the controller and inverter are a lot harder. A licensed electrician is likely to lose his license, even though it is theoretically legal and theoretically allowed.

                  You are likely to need to roll your own installation, which is non trivial. I have a retired electrician friend who does no end of unapproved stuff for me, so it would not be a problem for me if I could get a capable control system. And I am not bad at tinkering with the electrical system myself, but I would need a good user manual for the control system.

                • Cloudswrest says:

                  “For example, literal rocks. Generates power when lowered, and ‘recharged’ during off hours by raising them back up.”

                  If your site is in a mountainous region ARES (Advanced Rail Energy Storage) utilizes this method.

                  https://youtu.be/t0-4rMGAbD8?t=21

                • Cloudswrest says:

                  “Also, the standard inverter is designed to detect that it has an adequate grid connection, and refuse to operate if it is not connected to the grid”

                  Yes, this is the standard “grid tie” inverter. The term for the more capable inverter you are referring to is a “hybrid inverter” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_hybrid_inverter). ALso just Google “hybrid inverter”.

                  There are generally three types of inverters.

                  1. Just plain inverter. This converts DC to AC. No grid involved. These often plug into your car cigarette lighter.

                  2. Grid tie inverter. Converts DC to grid synchronized AC and pumps it into the grid. Does not work if there is no infinite sink, energized grid. It’s basically a theoretical high impedance ideal current source into the grid. Useless for grid backup. Mainly used to offset grid power costs.

                  3. Hybrid inverter. Manages power from 3 sources, battery, solar, grid.

                  Tesla power walls operate in the #3 mode and provide backup power to the house when the grid goes down.

                • jim says:

                  > Tesla power walls operate in the #3 mode and provide backup power to the house when the grid goes down.

                  Good to hear. I conjecture that that is one of the many reasons the Greenies are not happy with Musk.

                • Cloudswrest says:

                  On other thing to keep in mind regarding a hybrid inverter system, especially for retrofits:

                  A “standard” grid tie inverter system just hangs off your AC system in parallel, with just a breaker and/or disconnect switch. This is cheap and easy to do.

                  A hybrid inverter system has TWO AC ports and has to go into your system in SERIES between the grid and your house (unless you want to go in on the cheap and only have special dedicated backup circuits separate from the other lines). If you want the backup AC to service your whole house you need a separate breaker panel for the grid and meter, which then feeds the hybrid inverter, which then feeds the house breaker panel. This can be rather expensive to retrofit over and above the cost of the hybrid inverter and batteries.

                • Cloudswrest says:

                  Actually there is another way to configure a backup system. The previous post describes a system that behaves as a UPS. If you want to go cheaper, instead of having the inverter in series, you can have instead an automatic disconnect switch in series between the grid and the house. The inverter then just has one AC port that hangs on in parallel on the house side of the switch. The inverter has a separate line to monitor the grid. During normal operation the inverter acts as a typical grid tie inverter. If and when the grid goes down the inverter tells the switch to disconnect the grid, then in converts over to a backup inverter. When the inverter senses the grid has come back up it does the reverse. The disadvantage of this setup is you have to endure a momentary blackout while the inverter is figuring things out and switching over.

              • Pooch says:

                Where is somewhere pleasant? El Salvador or other places in South America could be options. Likewise Dubai.

                • Pseudo-Chrysostom says:

                  A functional civilization can make distances seem trivial, barriers immaterial, and logistics appear frictionless.

                  In advanced stages of social decay however, geography starts mattering a whole lot more.

                  Mountains are prime real-estate for the coming amerikaner biker gangs one will undoubtedly be joining up with.

                • jim says:

                  All good places. A lot of bitcoiners went to El Salvador, so I assume it has something going for it, but I am a bigger fan of the outer periphery of the Han hegemony, though the attempt to breath life into the rotting corpse of Maoism worries me considerably.

                • Kunning Drueger says:

                  Those places are only good with the accessories of globalized modernity. They suck for agronomy and fresh water, or they’re full to the brim with people. We need to stop looking for places to run away to and start choosing places to hold on to.

                • jim says:

                  > We need to stop looking for places to run away to and start choosing places to hold on to.

                  To hold onto places, need an army. An army needs a leader, and leader needs a faith.

                  No leader, therefore no army, therefore need to prepare to run.

                • Kunning Drueger says:

                  Armies can coalesce from smaller to larger too, they don’t necessarily need to be formed with a ready made leader. Pockets of order and concerted violence, men with something to kill for.

                • jim says:

                  > Armies can coalesce from smaller to larger too

                  When that happens, it happens around a prophet, a prophet embedded with priests, or through a network of Churches, priests, and congregations. Not seeing that prophet yet, still less the network of Churches, priests, and congregations.

                • Anon says:

                  El Salvador or other places in South America

                  For a vacation? Sure. Long term? Who are your kids and grandkids supposed to marry? A bunch of mudskins? Similarly China doesn’t leave your kids with a lot of options except other weird expats

                  There are at least two glaringly obvious answers (to me) but giving the answers might mean I’ll have to live near you

                • jim says:

                  The white race is in terminal decline and you are right that we need to fix it. But to fix it, needs an army, a leader, and a faith.

                  The nazi policy on women was far too purple pilled – Hitler failed to significantly boost fertility, while the policy followed in the west in reaction to Hitler coming to power did significantly boost fertility.

                  The army and the faith is going to have to tell unowned women that they need to find owners right away, or owners are going to be assigned.

                • Pooch says:

                  When that happens, it happens around a prophet, a prophet embedded with priests, or through a network of Churches, priests, and congregations. Not seeing that prophet yet, still less the network of Churches, priests, and congregations.

                  If we go the route of collapse of the Roman Empire and turn into the third world, which is the default and most likely scenario, tribes cohere along shared cultural and ethnic lines, as was seen in the successful defense of life and property in the latest round of riots in South Africa. Seeing that in Afrikaners and Amerikaners.

                • jim says:

                  Not what happened in the fall of Rome. Opposite happened.

                  The fall of Rome did not lead to tribes forming and cohering.

                  They were invaded by tribes from beyond the periphery of empire that were coherent, and they were unable to mount a collective defense. When Rome abandoned Briton, the Briton were detribalized and stayed that way for centuries of slaughter. The entire population of the Roman empire of the west suffered substantial biological replacement. We of the west are largely descended from tribal peoples from beyond the periphery of empire.

                  What happened in the Eastern empire was more complex -(Mongols, Varangians, and Teutonic knights), but it is similar though less extreme, and happened later.

                  Collapse of Bronze Age civilizations, we have less data, but it looks mighty like patriarchal peoples wandering in from beyond the boundaries of civilization.

                  The Danites were named after their ancestor in the male line, Dan, the Myrmidons after their ancestor in the male line Myrmidon, Pelopenesians after their ancestor in the male line Pelops – the origin myths of these people are nomads of land and sea from outside the boundaries of Bronze Age civilization. This was not spontaneous tribe formation, but recent immigrant groups that retained their tribe, invaders smelling collapse, and recent immigrant groups following prophetic leadership that revived their old faith and foreign identity.

                • Wulfgar Thundercock III says:

                  We have a prophet, Jim. It is you. I am sure I am not the only military man reading this blog. I am not exceptionally charismatic, but I bet that come violence, I could start raising a pretty impressive force of men by appealing to the tenets of this blog and Christian history. I would not be the only man doing it, and it only takes one man to be Alfred the Great.

                • The Cominator says:

                  A living prophet can’t lead a rising from the shadows…

                • jim says:

                  Elijah leads rebellion against the prophets of Baal. King Ahab comes after him, hard power against soft power. Hard power wins militarily, but loses soft power in the process.

                  Elijah wanders in the wilderness, far from the center of power, likely to be killed if found, frequently concealing his identity, and, among other things, prophesies what is going to happen to the current regime in Israel.

                  Time passes, he makes little progress, and appoints Elisha to be his successor. Elisha also wanders in the wilderness, far from the center of power, but things are heating up, as prophesied. Elishah’s credibility comes substantially from being appointed successor to Elijah. Elijah is still alive during subsequent events, and I conjecture he was quietly advising Elishah from time to time, but he seems to be substantially retired, or in hiding so deep he is unable to coordinate action. Elijah went mythical while still alive.

                  Hard power suffers external military defeat, pissing off the officer corps, and loses credibility through internal corruption. Becomes more reliant on good officers, while good officers are displeased by the regime, and secretly fans of Elisha and Elijah. Female power becomes dominant.

                  Things take longer than Elijah and Elisha expect, and Elijah eventually dies.

                  But the time comes:

                  1. And Elisha the prophet called one of the children of the prophets, and said unto him, Gird up thy loins, and take this box of oil in thine hand, and go to Ramothgilead:

                  2. And when thou comest thither, look out there Jehu the son of Jehoshaphat the son of Nimshi, and go in, and make him arise up from among his brethren, and carry him to an inner chamber;

                  3. Then take the box of oil, and pour it on his head, and say, Thus saith the LORD, I have anointed thee king over Israel. Then open the door, and flee, and tarry not.

                  4. So the young man, even the young man the prophet, went to Ramothgilead.

                  5. And when he came, behold, the captains of the host were sitting; and he said, I have an errand to thee, O captain. And Jehu said, Unto which of all us? And he said, To thee, O captain.

                  6. And he arose, and went into the house; and he poured the oil on his head, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I have anointed thee king over the people of the LORD, even over Israel.

                  7. And thou shalt smite the house of Ahab thy master, …

                  10 And the dogs shall eat Jezebel in the portion of Jezreel, and there shall be none to bury her. And he opened the door, and fled.

                  11 Then Jehu came forth to the servants of his lord: and one said unto him, Is all well? wherefore came this mad fellow to thee? And he said unto them, Ye know the man, and his communication.

                  12 And they said, It is false; tell us now. And he said, Thus and thus spake he to me, saying, Thus saith the LORD, I have anointed thee king over Israel.

                  13 Then they hasted, and took every man his garment, and put it under him on the top of the stairs, and blew with trumpets, saying, Jehu is king.

                  20 And the watchman told, saying, He came even unto them, and cometh not again: and the driving is like the driving of Jehu the son of Nimshi; for he driveth furiously.

                  30 And when Jehu was come to Jezreel, Jezebel heard of it; and she painted her face, and tired her head, and looked out at a window.

                  31 And as Jehu entered in at the gate, she said, Had Zimri peace, who slew his master?

                  32 And he lifted up his face to the window, and said, Who is on my side? who? And there looked out