War matters, so promoting this conversation to a post.
Mister Grumpus asks:
> The narrative is shifting to the Russians managing to muddle through anyway, and the blue-and-yellow Ukraine flags have all but vanished from Twitter.
Ukraine has been attempting World War I tactics, which worked great for a little while, but they are starting to run out of troops willing to fight. Currently it is World War I, which is a horrifyingly costly and destructive way of waging war, and the cost is biting both sides hard, but seems to be costing the Ukrainians worse.
The problem with World War I tactics is that they rely on the fact that frightened troops do not flee artillery bombardment, they dig in. Which prevents attempts to advance no matter how much artillery the enemy applies. But when you try to move those terrified troops from the location where they were being bombarded, to a new location, they are apt to dig in their heels once they have been removed from the old location on the front, where the enemy has become become tired of attacking, and are ordered to go to a new location on the front, where the enemy is, despite the great cost of World War I tactics, advancing. So the Russians are having success by endlessly, unpredictably, and unexpectedly, switching from one segment of the front to another. The Ukrainians are trying to reuse troops, which neither side was very successful in doing during World War I. World War I tactics use up, consume, and exhaust your army.
We are now seeing very large numbers of mutinies by Ukrainian grunts. We are also seeing a deep reluctance of officers to go to the front.
> Has Has the steady grind of Russian artillery fire and Ukrainian logistical disappointment undermined their Info Epoch Warfare? Pulled the plug on it somehow?
> What I no longer see is video of tanks driving around. That must still be way too dangerous with all those man-portable missiles out there.
> Maybe Info Epoch Warfare is still the winning ticket, unless your opponent (Russia) is happy to just shoot many thousand artillery shells and advance X yards per day, and can safely resupply themselves via a fully protected highway.
The Russian computer network penetration effort has failed. Their state level hackers just don’t seem very good at it. Compare and contrast the immensely successful network penetration by American Military intelligence.
Last time the I knew anything about what state level actors were doing, the US had massive penetration of everyone’s computer network, and the Chinese were starting, barely starting, to have some success in excluding them. The Chinese were not even trying to penetrate other people’s networks, though maybe they are now. I see no sign of it. They demand companies insert of obvious spyware in their networks, which is quite useless because if you know where the spyware is, you feed it bullshit and bypass it for what really matters, and they send spearfish emails, which get the same treatment if you try to spearfish someone with half a brain. Russian state networks were, and recently still were, wide open. If you cannot defend your computer networks, you probably cannot attack other people’s networks, because you cannot identify vulnerabilities. Russian response to identified vulnerabilities has been foolish and self destructive, covering them up rather than addressing them. One should pay the hacker if he shows you how he did it and helps you to do it to other people, and prevent other people from doing it to oneself, attempt to find him and harm him if he does not.
Russia has been vigorously attempting human penetration of Ukraine human networks, with surprisingly disappointing success. I am now coming to the conclusion that to do human penetration, you need a shared faith.
Stalin had a live state religion, so had immense success in penetrating human networks. Russia is making an effort to revive its state religion, but in the Ukraine, nonetheless has had poor success. Failed to properly utilize Old type Christians, who are being vigorously and murderously persecuted in the Ukraine. The Jesuits had and have immense success in penetrating human networks, though their inner religion now appears to be serpent Christ. The Alawites also had immense success, with an outer religion of Mohammedanism, a middle religion that has syncretic layers of Christianity, Zoroastrianism, and at its center, the inner religion, the innermost religion, a mysterious faith whose nature is alleged to be pagan, but who knows? Only them and God. The Alawites have been doing this for a very very long time, since at least anno Domini 1100, and the touch of Zoroastrianism hints that they may be descended from a faith immensely older. They have good human penetration and immensely good human security.
Looking at efforts at human penetration, look faith based. And because human penetration requires lying, demonic faiths have an advantage in penetration, though they have a disadvantage in preventing penetration. I don’t see any obvious demonic symptoms with the Alawites, but given their very good human security, I would not. Maybe their inner religion has good distinction between lies that can be told and lived without moral compromise, and lies that cannot. Or maybe it does not. Hard to know.
During two millennia of attempted, and sometimes successful, hostile entryism against Christian state religions, entryist groups concocted ever more elaborate systems of ideas and rationalizations so that they could say the right things, in a sense truthfully, but with the deliberately wrong meanings. Which seems odd. Why not just plain lie? Why do creeds and shill tests work? Why have they gone on working for millenia?
Just lying works for the individual, but for the group, not so much, because your agents are apt to become double and triple agents. The best liar believes what he says, so you need a lie that is fundamentally incompatible with the enemy faith, but whose fundamental incompatibility is subtle.
Information Epoch warfare worked great for Trump. It has not been working for Russians, but they are trying. Maybe they will get better. War is a stern teacher.
> Maybe the Bayraktar drones really can find and disable artillery pieces all day long, but Uncle Sam refuses to buy more because Turkish Man Bad. Heck if I know.
Drones are costing the Russians a lot, costing both sides but mostly it is not autonomous drones, but simply dumb drones in line of sight of their controllers, and for moderate range often directly above their controller at altitude (the Ukrainians claim to have a very substantial advantage in distance drone vision) looking down on artillery battles from above. The huge advantage of autonomous drones is that they extend the battlefield all the way, which advantage no one except Turkey has utilized. In the Information Epoch, the battlefield will soon be everywhere. In the Armenian war, the Azerbaijanis gained a huge advantage by extending the battle field all the way throughout the entire disputed territory. Well, time to dispute the enemy capital. Which the Russians have been trying to do, without a lot of success.
Both sides have autonomous long range drones, though I heard some whining from the Ukrainians that they are mighty hard to use autonomously. Autonomous drones had immense impact in the recent Armenian war. Maybe in this war both sides are finding them hard to use. Needs better UI, and better mission controllers.
In the Information Epoch, the military needs high IQ warriors. Maybe neither the Russians nor the Ukrainians have them.
Some here may find this sermon speaks to them:
https://godhatesfags.com/audio/sermons.html
I probably could have worded that better. I was about to enter the store after a long drive through traffic.
The sermon is from Westboro Baptist Church. And he talks about the role of family, child rearing and discipline, the proper role of women, and the downfall of pride. He also quotes all the Scripture to back up everything he says.
In no way meaning to disparage or insult you, I’d be very, very careful associating in any way, even digitally, with WBC. I don’t remember where I read the essay, and if I do, I’ll find it and link it, but I encountered a very compelling argument that the WBC was a psyop set up to portray any opposition to fag marriage as lunatic and distasteful. Of course, poopdick is disgusting and GNON indeed loathes dysgenic hedonic monsters, but try to convince me that the WBC did anything useful for opposing it. They definitely sent fence sitters fleeing toward the progressive position. They definitely received comprehensive and perpetual protection and support from local LEO and even feds (in NJ, IIRC) when they were conducting their “”””outreach ministry.””” They definitely received significant funding from a very few but anonymous sources. And the Generation 03 captcha required to access that page is super fucking suspect.
You’ve always provided good advice. I’ve never been there but have listened to a couple sermons. Seems old style Baptist. But, you never know about anything these days.
Ted Lou was playing a recording from Romans. The part about gays. Using The Bible in a way to support his agenda. The day may come when Democrats try to ban The Bible. It’s just a shame where this country is going.
I’m pretty sure you’re a shill now. WBC have never had any support from the right because it’s obvious what they are. Leftists believe right wing christens think and act like WBC and the only people who ever bring them up are leftists and shills.
WBC is a spook psyop, Fred Phelps was a good friend of Al Gore.
Thanks, I’ll stay clear of it.
This series is getting pretty interesting:
https://treeofwoe.substack.com/p/running-on-empty-part-i?s=w
https://treeofwoe.substack.com/p/running-on-empty-part-ii?s=w
https://treeofwoe.substack.com/p/running-on-empty-part-iii?s=r
From Part 03:
“Many of history’s leading nations — and all of its commercial empires — have been thalassocracies. For the last 207 years, the globe has been dominated by maritime powers. The United Kingdom began the trend in 1815. Emerging as the winner of the Napoleonic Wars, the UK established the so-called Pax Britannica and enforced it with the world’s greatest navy. While Britannia ruled the waves, the sun never set on her flag. Germany tried twice to unseat Britain at sea, and failed both times. Japan tried to turn the Pacific into its own thalassocracy in the form of the “Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere,†but suffered defeat at the hands of the UK and the US. Since 1945, the UK has gradually ceded control of the oceans to the US. America rules the waves today. The World Ocean is mare nostrum, our pond.”
For most of history, the land empires beat the sea empires, from Mycenae destroying Minos to Rome vs Carthage, and so on. This trend was reversed in WWII, but it is about to be reversed again. Ships are sitting ducks versus hypersonic missiles; the information empire will defeat the thalassocracy. Were Kazakhstan suddenly to become rich in missiles and space-based intelligence, it could deny the seas to the US Empire.
I can’t imagine it’s much harder to take out an unarmed merchant ship than it is a Russian tank. Just a couple holes here and there and boom, no more maritime insurance.
If they have to convoy with a Navy like in WW2, well fuck, even that’s a huge new cost of doing business.
Remember that one ship that got stuck in the Suez Canal? Imagine if it sank out there, or in the Panama Canal somewhere, or maybe the Strait of Hormuz or Malacca, like from a Rod-from-God or just a sack of thermite plopped onto it by a suicide drone.
Seriously now, how hard can this really be?
https://hiddencomplexity.substack.com/p/beyond-mathematical-odds-all-out?s=r
Enjoy!
Both Rome and Carthage were empires highly dependent on the seas for logistics and colonies. The main reason Rome expanded so fast was due to sea power. Not exactly right to call Rome a land empire when it was both a land and sea power.
Not until after the wars with Carthage- Rome did not know how to build ships until a Carthaginian ship shipwrecked during the first Punic war, and they reverse-engineered it and built a navy that was competitive with Carthage’s
A sea vs land power is based on how an empire defends itself. If a nation relies on land armies to for defense then it’s a land power. If relies on ships for defense, then it’s a sea power. Carthage was a sea power during the first Punic war, but reformed it’s model and became a land power for the 2ed Punic war as it was obvious that being a land power was better before the age of powered ships.
Trade and logistics by sea is always better if you have pirates under control. Strong land powers tend to develop navies just for this purpose.
I second what Aidan pointed out. I think the thalassocracy narrative is confusing cause and effect.
The incumbent ruling empire always rules the seas, and makes money from trade thanks to that.
But very often decisive victories over powerful empires were fought over land.
It’s fairly difficult to attack a country from water anyhow, the US is an example and it has a big advantage in only having two relatively weak land neighbours.
Countries with many hostile powers adjacent by land have to struggle a lot more frequently, and WW2 was a good example of that.
Rome was a land power when it destroyed Carthage. Carthage was a sea power before, and subsequently Rome became more of a sea power.
Here’s a little Zeihan before he was the Zeihan. I think it’s far better than his namefag stuff.
https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/geopolitics-united-states-part-1-inevitable-empire
> It’s important to note that an increase in money supply doesn’t necessarily lead to inflation, however. If the quantity of available goods increases at the same time, then price levels will stay the same.
This is not relevant to the thesis presented, but I’d just like to quibble that this bit I’m quoting is seeming to imply by omission that, if the quantity of money rises and the quantity of goods does not rise, then there will necessarily be price inflation. And that’s not true:
In the aftermath of the 2008 crisis, central banks created a lot of money, but people (or at least banks) were willing to hold onto that money for the time being, so there wasn’t significant price inflation. Only when they stopped being willing to hold onto so much money did the price rise.
The inflation was however eventually going to happen because people’s willingness to hold money depends on inflation. Thus, when inflation does start from any sort of shock (and shocks are inevitable), people stop being so willing to hold onto the money and instead spend it, making a large supply of money greatly amplify any price inflation pressure. The high money supply also makes it a lot harder for central bank to stop the inflation once started.
There’s a further implication regarding the situation in 2008. If the people holding the money had thought that there would have been moderate inflation coming back in 2008, they wouldn’t have been willing to hold onto so much money, so we would have had inflation back then without the need for much money supply increase, and the central banks could afterward have tamped down on the price inflation more effectively due to the lower money supply. And we wouldn’t be in as much trouble now as we are. So, the high inflation and high money supply issues now in part resulted from too-tight (in terms of not causing inflation) monetary policy in the wake of 2008.
This seemed btw at least at the start to be a deliberate choice by the central banks – they bailed out the financiers through money creation while stopping the money from flowing to goods by e.g., paying interest on reserves.
However, they kept up the policy of the money supply high, along with low enough inflation not to cause runaway inflation, a lot longer than actually made sense for a bailout. Not sure why, but maybe they realized they were painting themselves into a corner and wanted to look like they were “doing something” for the economy by adding money while delaying the popping-the-money-bubble crisis until it wouldn’t be their problem anymore.
>while delaying the popping-the-money-bubble crisis until it wouldn’t be their problem anymore.
Quite sensible given that most central bankers today are really close to either retirement home or death bed.
Conveniently overlooking the role of the Red Army in defeating 1488.
Stalin could defeat Hitler by not being fully communist.
Charlemagne wasn’t fully Christian.
Charlemagne was considered an exemplary Christian by every prominent Christian alive. Stalin was considered insufficiently communist by many prominent communists, to the extent they wanted to kill him. You are using the same definition of Christianity as people who want the white race eradicated, the same definition all my enemies use.
Aidan, could you give some recommendations, specific works/blogs or authors, about the Middle Ages in Western Europe? Hard to come across non-pozzed sources these days. I greatly enjoyed your blog posts touching on Medieval times.
What was wrong with Charlemagne’s Christianity?
There were and are no end of communists saying Stalin was not communist enough – and if he had been communist enough, Russia would have lost.
I am not aware of any Christians complaining that Charlemagne was not Christian enough, and we have no shortage of rulers who were officially and rightly declared Saints, whose hands are as bloody or considerably bloodier than those of Charlemagne.
Good Christians are allowed to conquer and to forcibly resist conquest, and have done lots of it. Always have been. It is postChristianity that forbids it, while hypocritically pretending it is not doing it.
There’s a pretty cool alt hist book by Harry Turtledove, “Joe Steel”.
Stalin’s folks emigrate to the US, and his drive for power kicks in there. Using dirty tricks he becomes US prez, while Soviet Russia is run by Trotsky. Then WWII starts.
America has a navy, but is not a classical thalassocracy. America would still be a world leading military power as a land country. It is a land empire that is also an island. Given this incredible power, it’s amazing the US hasn’t conquered the world more quickly and thoroughly than it has.
It’s not that amazing when you consider that vast amounts of American time and energy are spent fighting other Americans over control of the empire.
Damn, Kissinger negotiated the petrodollar system, too? I didn’t know that. Whatever you think of the man, he sure did get around. If that’s like the fourth or fifth thing on your resume, you’ve made quite the mark. High energy.
I’m sure everyone here was already aware of this, but Anglin is just the bee’s tits.
“Everyone wants to talk about how the World Economic Forum is running a conspiracy to make everyone poor, and how inflation fits into this. This is all obvious. They are clearly doing this on purpose in order to make everyone poor.
However – this simply does not make any sense within the context of remaining international competition. Why would you want to completely destroy your country’s economic power while you are still trying to fight wars against Russia and China?
Here is a simple outline of what I’ve argued over and over again regarding the overarching picture of the current situation:
There is a long-running plan for a global “scientific dictatorship†that was more or less solidified in the 1970s when they first started pushing the environmentalist flapdoodle
In the 1970s, the people planning this did not believe that China was a threat at all, because they basically thought Chinamen were backward autistic morons
In the 1990s, Western industry was moved to China, creating massive wealth in China, and everyone just assumed that these small-eyed people they thought were autistic morons would be turned into gay retards by a little bit of economic success
In the late 00s and early 10s, it became clear that China was not interested in being a part of the globalist project – they were just going to keep the money and do their own thing, which is a kind of merchant empire that is not dependent on the interdependence of the Western globalist order
By this time, no one running elite organizations in the West was capable of recalibrating the agenda based on the predictions about China being proved wrong
The elite are pushing forward with the agenda as it was laid out before China’s current direction was clear
I don’t think this is really that complicated, but a lot of people seem to not understand what I am saying. I have no desire or ability to force anyone to agree with me, but if they’re going to disagree, they should put forward a response to what I’ve said and a countertheory on why it appears that the West is totally destroying itself in a program that is going to leave the Chinese ruling the world.”
https://stormer-daily.rw/the-status-of-the-globalist-agenda-has-been-escalated-from-confused-to-chaotic/
Excellent insight, excellent prose, top notch memery.
Excellent essay, thanks for sharing that.
Donate to the man, he’s perpetually on the run and lives off crypto crumbs while focused on his self-imposed mission 24/7.
What is the deal with this? How does he remain hidden? He has many court cases against him for example
Seconding this. The issue is he only takes Monero, and that for his audience’s sake more than his own – protecting boomers and humanities majors from themselves.
He doesn’t have anything else going financially, unlike Jim say.
The man has been pumping out high-quality, maximally based material every single day for years and it is his only gig. His vocation. Meanwhile, he has a $14 million default judgment hanging over his head and is hiding god knows where. “Nigeria,” he amusingly claims.
https://stormer-daily.rw/support-the-daily-stormer-how-to-buy-and-send-monero/
Keeping Andrew Anglin alive is one of the most important use cases for Monero.
Even the Stormer can’t keep up the “Jews’ Evil Master Plan for the Goyim†narrative anymore. When Anglin can’t pin stuff on The Jewish Monolith any longer and still make some kind of sense, you’ve reached one heck of a turning, goy.
No one’s as vaxxed as Israelis are. And Pfizer too, the hard stuff. Once he admits that as well, he’s in a whole new ball game.
I appreciate his self transparency in all of this. Plenty of wignats can’t even do that.
> No one’s as vaxxed as Israelis are. And Pfizer too, the hard stuff. Once he admits that as well, he’s in a whole new ball game.
Anyone can admit this fact without stepping out of the frame you described. If you believe Jews are evil, and that everything is due to Jews, it is not surprising to you that Jews would harm themselves with their false medicine in the process.
It’s part of the theory that Jews are inherently self-destructive. If they are not, and the rest holds true, then they are better than everyone else.
Convincing these people that Jews are merely part of power, and not power itself, is not easy.
That said, I have seen most of them abandon the idea that there is a monolithic conspiracy, and understand that things are a lot less organized than that.
Covid proved that at the top there absolutely is a monolithic conspiracy but that conspiracy is not the jews.
It didn’t. There are many conspiracies, and different members of the system fall in line whenever they see that it is beneficial for them to do so.
If anything COVID shows how the model of a monolithic conspiracy does not apply, because the majority of the authorities were skeptical of covid to begin with, and for a long time, before eventually changing their minds.
If covid was spread intentionally, then it was done by one group of people, and then later the narrative was picked up by the rest.
Nothing about what happened proves there is one group of people at the top coordinating the entire system. And if there was, then the system would be more coherent, and show some signs of prescience instead of changing its mind every week and pretending oceania was always at war with eastasia.
When the elite were more cohesive, the narrative was more coherent.
Not even the messaging on vaccines was coherent over time, and that was the strongest point of agreement.
“If anything COVID shows how the model of a monolithic conspiracy does not apply, because the majority of the authorities were skeptical of covid to begin with, and for a long time, before eventually changing their minds.”
They were ordered to be skeptical (which was the correct position because covid was bullshit) and were ordered to change their minds.
I don’t think it’s that orderly, but I don’t think you’re incorrect, either.
There are orders. They do go out, but they never seem to have a consistent source, nor is there in easily discernable type of source. Sometimes it’s the “super smarts,” other times it’s the “super holys”, and most every time, there’s no single person you can say is The Source, even when Someone gets chosen to carry the praise or blame. The same forces that make it impossible to accurately blame the culpable are also at work keeping a King from accidentally sprouting in the bureaucracy by giving a single person, or even a consistent group of persons (I’d argue), a path to power. The source potentials are constricted, they have to be, but it’s such a poorly crafted conspiracy in terms of responsibility that it accidentally lends immense power to very low ranking, uninitiated members with alarming frequency. This is why the Public School System is what it is, and all of their Program is coming from the Harvard Cluster. It relies on the fostering of a deep conformity to some of the excellent terms S.t John uses for the anti-telos of Progress.
It’s like the twisted inverse of the hero genre: a terribly evil tentacular monster constantly striding about the human landscape, strangling future knights in their cradles.
The source is occulted by design but its clearly somewhere…
Jim says: “There are rather too many monolithic conspiracies each struggling for the upper hand.”
This, to me, is an incredibly precise statement of the situation. They don’t realize how vulnerable they are in the core GAE, so they play the most irresponsible games. For them, casualties and losses are just the deficit side of their balance sheet. It’s always someone else’s friends dying, or children mutilated. They are convinced that it won’t come home to them, and they live and operate accordingly. So they are greedy, sloppy, and brazen. Not without merit, of course. Mainline conservatism is cucked six ways from Sunday. But Russians never seem to forget anything, and I feel confident in stating that they will be paying the GAE back for the way UKR has been handled.
If the attrition arising from active IEW is slow enough, I think we will see the number of monolithic conspiracies reduce, but that implies some single leader or rigid group of persons in charge.
There are rather too many monolithic conspiracies each struggling for the upper hand.
None of which, however, have *no* Jews involved, which I feel is significant.
Can’t it just be ethnic? Negroes are good at rapping and jumpin’ and jivin’, gypsies at thieving and fortune-telling, Anglo-Saxons at mercantile empire-building, Germans at philosophy and bureaucracy, Jews at running language-intensive cross-border organizations like banks and NGOs and Harvard?
Also, the “Israel got vaxx’d ergo no Jewish involvement” argument seems uncompelling to me. Conspirators tend to believe in the narratives behind their conspiracies…Leninism was a conspiracy made up entirely of Leninists, for example.
It is probably Jewish traits (deconstruction, verbal IQ, preistlyness- call it what you will) combined with aggressive nepotism.
“Also, the “Israel got vaxx’d ergo no Jewish involvement†argument seems uncompelling to me. Conspirators tend to believe in the narratives behind their conspiracies…Leninism was a conspiracy made up entirely of Leninists, for example.”
It makes it hard to believe in Zionist Occupation Government unless you are Palestinian.
Jews are morally ambiguous. Have been ever since they rejected Christ.
A very suspicious line of questioning given that you also recently tried to defend the Jesuits and admitted to attending Jesuit schools and even defended their role in starting the 30 years war.
Jim has been over in detail why the top can’t be a jewish ethnic conspiracy of the type Kevin MacDonald even if jews are heavily involved as frontmen and agents. Jewish alienation, verbal IQ and priestly ways make them ideal agents but their quarrelsome nature would make them horrible at running a conspiracy.
It’s bad form to implicitly accuse a fellow commenter of being a shill because they ask you to clarify your position or challenge you to defend it. If we’re going to play this game, why are you so blue pilled on women?
Suspicious, really? I didn’t attend Jesuit schools; I said that I had met some Jesuits in school and college. I have also met plenty of Jews and didn’t go to fucking Yeshiva. I also did not make any claim about a monolithic Jewish conspiracy apart from pointing out that Jews are involved in virtually any one of the major “conspiracies” you could name, for which there is approximately a thousand to ten thousand times more evidence than there is for some nebulous Jesuit conspiracy…
Fauci’s very clear Jesuit ties (which Steve Bannon and Robert Malone agree with me on apparently, and Bannon is a Roman Catholic) makes the conspiracy not nebulous especially given that the Jesuits have a history of even Catholic countries booting them out for subversive political activity. Clearly Fauci was the most important man in Covid (with his fellow Jesuit Redfield being #2) he not only orchestrated it scientifically and in the media he oversaw its creation “gain of Function research”.
Cardinal Vigano also a Roman Catholic (I cannot explain why he hasn’t been excommunicated or murdered myself) has also denounced the Jesuit order as being at the heart of the Covid and globalist conspiracies. An integral part of the restoration is the complete and total and eventually global extermination of the Jesuits including all the secret plainclothes Jesuits and dragging the pope in chains to a new Avignon.
Jews in power tend not to serve the interest of jews the way Kevin Macdonald says they should, Jews in the Communist Party of the Soviet Union fought and purged each other and eventually let absolute power accrue to the non Jew Stalin who with very few exceptions purged then. It just can’t be them for that reason. Jesuits otoh are a military order of spies that operate based on a strict hierarchy with vows of obedience, conspiracy requires true hierarchy and compartmentalization. I’m not arguing the Jesuits are at the top btw… the top is probably so hidden that no mere member of the public will ever see it but they probably serve as its most important agents.
“It’s bad form to implicitly accuse a fellow commenter of being a shill because they ask you to clarify your position or challenge you to defend it.”
I’m sorry but I find the defense of the Jesuits (and especially them starting the 30 years war) followed by a day later well maybe the Kmac/Wignat theory of the jewish tribal hivemind conspiracy is the correct one (when we’ve been over multiple times why its not and why it can’t possibly be) a bit suspect.
“why are you so blue pilled on women?”
I would say I’m more blackpilled on at least American women than bluepilled. American women like men who play the role of violent thugs… low social intelligence playing that way (especially in Florida lol, they don’t call it the fuck around and find out state for nothing) is likely to get you badly beaten or shot. Pooch says he does it differently and has never pretended he is thuggish but he sounds like he is Arnie in his prime stacked…
I don’t think my position differs from most here except I’m less into the idea of honor killings… Killing them when a good beating should suffice is a waste of pussy. I don’t think I disagree with Jim on women in most other ways other than good experiences have left me with a soft spot for working girls (another thing I’ve never mentioned one of them permanently cured some chronic neck pain I used to have it was like a miracle, no charge btw). I also think my suspicion and general revulsion of Kawaii Kike’s seemingly Ted Bundy impulses was correct no matter what anyone says and I’m not the only one here.
As to why he has not been murdered, he is deep underground like Andrew Anglin, and like Andrew Anglin, his funds are not easily found. Everyone speaking the truth under his own name is under cover, and the more prominent the name, the deeper the cover needs to be. Quite a lot of the careless have had an unfortunate demise, about which demise law enforcement is curiously uncurious.
As to why he has not been excommunicated, excommunications would create a final fracture similar that which has kept old type protestantism alive.
I didn’t know he was in hiding, well he must be hidden well if hes calling out the Jesuits who I’m sure are looking for him…
By definition effectively, to be a leftist is to inherently be quarrelsome – doesn’t stop them from breeding conspiracies like fungus.
Solipsistic narcissists crave validation for their narratives, seek to manipulate people into giving that validation; which is why irrespective of the fact that they are in principle dysfunctional reprobates, you can also find the unholy phenomena of narcs forming complexes with each other, where they validate each other’s shared delusiveness, in like a resonant feed-back loop.
Not only is that particular clade of eurasian tribesmen not exempt from this, in fact, you could say they are prone to such qualities more than many, if not most other major species, by comparison.
Not Arnie in his prime stacked, but I do spend a lot of time in the gym and even more when I was younger and single.
I think you are overly obsessed on being violent in order to attract women. Jim uses hyperbole for effect. You don’t need to be a literal violent criminal in order to attract Western women. We have plenty commenters here you prove the literal opposite of this. Until you can understand that you are not even black-pilled, you are blue-pilled on women. The blue pillers are all also black pilled. So if you are black pilled, you are blue pilled.
What you do need to be is masculine and manly, which means having the look of a man capable of violence. Lifting is the easiest and most tried and true way to achieve this which is why it is so stressed in Red Pill on Women blogs.
Next you need to learn game and social skills which is how a masculine and manly interacts with women and other men. Game has nothing to do with violence. Read Rollo, Roissy, and Roosh and you will see nothing about violence.
If you can just be masculine and learn how to act masculine socially, becoming a top 20% is not really that hard in our sea of effeminate Western men.
All true statements, Pooch, but it occurs to me that the ability to do violence might soon become a necessity for getting laid, if only because we’re going to be in the midst of a social collapse while our “military” is off defending the right of Taiwanese to be gay lol.
Seriously though, lifting and literature make the man.
Maybe but I would not rely on that in order to find a wife.
My advice to all single men who seek a wife in a current environment:
Improve yourself physically, financially, socially, spiritually, etc. Become a top-tier man that women want and men want to befriend. Yes it will be a lot of work. That’s the point. If it wasn’t, every man would be getting laid.
This is the most positive thing about our environment, in that it forces men to improve for the better or die out.
If you are crying about Western women this and Western woman that, to me this screams of “I just don’t want to put in the work and am looking for a short cut”.
Join the gym. Make more money. Get on the dating apps and start practicing game. Do whatever you gotta do. There are tons of resources, especially here from commentators to help men through the process.
> Solipsistic narcissists crave validation for their narratives, seek to manipulate people into giving that validation; which is why irrespective of the fact that they are in principle dysfunctional reprobates, you can also find the unholy phenomena of narcs forming complexes with each other, where they validate each other’s shared delusiveness, in like a resonant feed-back loop.
My boomer parents in one paragraph.
I’ve never met a wignat in my life.
I’ve met neo-Nazis of the type Anglin loathes, and they are definitely not someone I’d invite over for tea.
I’ve met over the span of thirty years Nazis, monarchists, Pinochetists, Salazarists, Stalinists, Trotskyists, Leninists, Maoists, Reaganists, Randists, Makhnoists, globohomo liberals, antiglobohomo liberals, imperialists, separatists, federalists, Islamists, envangelical fundamentalists, paganists, satanists, atheists, nihilists, feminists, trad women, Russophiles, Russophobes, and of course fervent representatives of various galactic minds and spirits.
The neo-Nazis appeared the most idiotic of the lot by far. Trad red (anti-globohomo) girls the most enthusiastic in bed once you show them what’s possible. I am not quite sure though if both types still exist among zoomers. Maybe they’re both going extinct, especially the trad commie girl.
I’ve seen more than a few fascist forums over the years, so likewise i’ve seen the kinds of people who some men think they are referring too when they say ‘wignat’, but scratch the surface, and you find a glownigger every time. Hence, fednats.
You can find shills, reasonable huwhyte men you can have nice discussions with around matters of divine law, and NPCs who could just as easily be progroids instead, but for historical contingencies that find them falling into vagarious social circles (such as glownigger honeypots). As for ‘wignat’ though, it simply does not exist as a meaningful category that properly cleaves to joints in reality.
Right, right, I mean physical contact out in meat-space.
On the forums it’s always weird. Plus, I’ve cut them out mostly, except 2-3, current delightful company included.
Fag Month White Pill: Hyperbased Texas preacher finally saying what every preacher should be saying:
Might be time for me to move to Fort Worth. https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/texas-pastor-says-gay-people-shot-back-head-shocking-sermon-rcna32748
All sin is sin, and this is an obvious Civil War propaganda piece, trying to get their church torched.
Based. Tolerating the wicked is punishing the innocent. All sodomites get free helicopter rides.
He started good but went astray. Unless he is LARPing, proposing death penalty for all fags in America is just too harsh.
I remember it was discussed in these blog some time ago how tolerating gay impairs male bonding, as men become too uncomfortable to show camaraderie fo fear to look or attract fags. However curbing gay too much still brings to the same problem: men become reluctant to show camaraderie as it could attract zealous fag-hunters.
Are you serious? Genuine question.
I think he is and I agree with him. Zealous Fag-hunting would absolutely damage male bonding, much like open homosexuality has damaged it.
In both cases society tries to draw out homosexuals and this somewhat implicitly normalizes it.
It is much like saying every man could be a homo, which is fairly close to leftist narrative, instead of treating it as an abnormal thing that lives in abnormal men, who act gay, and are clearly a nuisance to everyone else.
Instead, if you have to filter good men, choose those who prove to be good fathers.
I think Jim said something along the lines of, trying to kill all homosexuals is giving them too much attention, which is what they want.
Sodomy is ubiquitous throughout history, like communism. It is an evil that will not go away. There are many factors at play, and seizing on one and ignoring the others turns into whack-a-mole. So in that sense, yes, gay hunters would soon start fabricating evidence to retain their status and power. Ironically, they’d soon turn into the only place with any actual sodomites (call it celibate catholic syndrome).
But the solemn, societal promise of a blindfold and a building in the future of any confirmed faggot is the only time tested defense against sodomites. Something I am learning as my little farm grows: I cannot ever win against vermin. There will be no Victory In Garden Day. Some pests need to be hit hard and early and ruthlessly, while others need to be reduced in accordance with their population.
This may break with the consensus here, but if faggots want to exist and they play the part of good citizens against faggotry, I’m not quite sure what more could be done. Far worse than the bog standard faggot is the fag-advocate, the one who turns them into a cause, and Jim’s theories and measures outlined elsewhere for keeping priests in line should take care of that type of vermin. So I see the point and I basically agree.
…after the great account deletion, of course.
England in the time of her greatness had the death penalty for gays, but did not look for gays very hard at all. Gays at the time complained, not that they might get killed, but that they had to keep it in the closet: That they were not allowed to get in peoples faces, and smear gay all over culture and society. All the stories I read of people getting the death penalty were gays persistent shoving their gay around.
Juvenile alpha males naturally find gays and effeminate males repulsive. Why not let the young men take care of the fag problem?
Unofficially (officially).
Yes, the best way to deal with gays would be to have the death penalty officially unofficial. Not for indiscreet physical affection, but for indiscreet obscenity and hitting on people. In the days when gays whined about “the love that dare not speak its name”, it was not love that was the problem, was not love that got them killed, and was not love that was and still is the problem. Physical affection between males that we would now find disturbing was fine and should be fine again. We find it disturbing now because gays shove poop and dick everywhere. That is what needs to get them killed.
On the other hand, gayface detecting AI has an accuracy of 75%. This creates new possibilities for mitigation without an invasive police state.
The Official Reactionary Position on sodomites is that they do not exist as a community, but are merely degenerate individuals indulging in depraved tastes. There is no need for fag hunters beyond the normal purview of the Inquisition to suppress entryism. You do not go looking for fags, and you pretend that they do not exist. When their behavior makes the pretense untenable, you crack down.
Any members of the upper class so exposed are given a bottle of hard alcohol and a pistol with a single round in it, and a mention to do the right thing. They who do not use the pistol and all others that are not politically inconvenient get shipped to Alaska to serve out a death sentence. The problem disappears and everyone gets to go back to pretending. Think of the fag as the male version of the witch. Freelance witch hunters are a problem, but a official branch of witch hunters that protect their remit is not. An Inquisition can serve both purposes as part of their larger job of maintaining elite cooperation and preventing entryism into the church and government.
Yes, “gays” do not exist and homosexual acts are illegal. Cannot accuse someone of “being gay”, can only accuse of buggery.
Exactly Aidan. There’s no such thing as a gay person, it’s just a man with a mental illness. If he refuses to take precautions against his handicap, he will suffer the consequences of being a threat to children.
So there’s no need, rather there should be no need, for gay hunters. But literature and information advocating the concept of “homosexuality” is a completely different story.
fwiw, homosexuality ceased being a capital offence in UK in 1861, but it remained prohibited and, as you note, it was a lightly enforced prohibition—a notion that seems to have been the rule throughout Anglo if not European Civilisation.
Not only homosexuality but other vices such as prostitution and gambling were illegal in Victorian and Edwardian Britain, but as long as such activities were done discretely, confined to the less salubrious areas of towns, and generally did not ‘scare the horses’—i.e. challenge or outrage respectable society—they were largely ignored.
E.g. Oscar Wilde’s famous prosecution actually resulted from his making a mockery of British justice by initiating a libel suit based on the lie that he was not homosexual; his deception exposed in court, the Law had little choice but to prosecute—and even then exhibited no eagerness to prosecute as after a police inspector requested a warrant for the arrest of Wilde, the magistrate adjourned the court for an hour and a half, apparently ‘to give Wilde time to make his escape from England on the last boat to the Continent.’ If Wilde had emulated Wellington from the start—who, threatened with the publication of tales about him and a mistress, famously dismissed the cur with ‘Publish and be damned’—then he likely would never have been prosecuted. E.g. in Wilde’s circle was Cecil George Ives, who inspired E.W. Hornung’s Raffles character; a practising homosexual but never prosecuted—even though campaigning for legalising homosexuality. And Noël Coward’s homosexuality was an open secret (in his social circles)—even Winston knew, and the most he did was put the kibosh on a knighthood for which Noël was being considered.
E.g. US Army and Pacific War veteran James Jones in his ‘From Here To Eternity’ and ‘The Thin Red Line’ (novels paralleling his own life—fictionalised memoirs perhaps?) including in passing some homosexual characters and incidents, suggesting that even the US Army of 1939–44 (James Jones’ years of service) displayed a fair level of tolerance, on the level of ‘If it ain’t causing problems, it ain’t a problem’. Note also example of TSgt Leonard Matlovich (1943–88*): a decorated airman, he officially declared his homosexuality in a letter to his CO, and the USAF’s reaction was basically, ‘Please don’t tell us what we ain’t asking.’ USAF wanted Matlovich to just STFU but he insisted on making himself a martyr.
(* Died age 44 from AIDS—who coulda saw that coming?)
We had far more of a ‘live and let live’ attitude with various legal prohibitions of vices in place than since we abolished those prohibitions, Ann Coulter observing that after their winning on same-sex marriage, ‘Big Gay’ proceeded to go house-to-house shooting the survivors. But imo ‘lightly enforced prohibition’ is a better way for a restored West than going full Taliban.
@jim
How would you deal with the Stonewall riots?
The way that the current regime deals with right wing protesters.
And the way that the new regime will deal with faggots who come loudly and obnoxiously out of the closet.
The stonewall riots started with the cops being told to stand back and give them room to riot. But riot failed to ensue, so they had another go with some fed provocateurs were sent in to smash stuff and hurt people, and then the regular gays, who had been irritatingly disinclined to riot, joined in. It was as much a state operation as the antifa riots. Gays are just disinclined to put on a good riot. Blacks, much easier to get them looting and burning, and harder to get them to stop.
They said to themselves, “It worked so well with blacks, let us have a do-over with gays”, but it took a great deal more push to get a satisfactory riot. Very top down and synthetic. Not as ludicrously fake as “Occupy”, but mighty fake.
Case and point, the number one attack from shitlib leftists I’ve seen on Tucker’s new documentary on the decline of masculinity is it’s gay. I’ve noticed they do this type of attack on male sports too.
“Wrestling? Two men rolling on the ground? Wow that’s gayer than gay sex.†says the male feminist without an ounce of testosterone in his body.
I am going to elaborate a little further: A functioning society must prosecute sodomy and that would include death penalty. Before gay became popular this stance could be motivated with the Chesterton’s fence argument: past cultures condemned sodomy everywhere (1) thus there should be a very good reason to do it. In Clown World, witnessing daily how wicked these people are, you don’t even need to resort to Phylosophy: any sane person’s instinctual reaction when seeing a gay pride, drag show or similia is “kill it with fire”, and rightly so.
What I object, however is the penalty being ALWAYS death including to closeted gays. Could that be an overreach that triggers spirals?
Also, a genuine question: from a Christian point of view can a person be considered guilty and without hope of salvation even if is has not yet committed any irredeemable evil acts?
(1) For the little I know, Official history says that in Africa and Asia was perfectly normal to be gay until the influence of evil whiteys took over, but of course we don’t trust official history. I would also be curious to know how gays were treated in, for example, ancient China of pre-Columbian America
Christian reprobate doctrine is that god turns them over to these desires after the offer of salvation has been finally rejected. In other words, god can give up on offering you chances. It is a heretical for most Christians but it is defended by some, look up Pastor Anderson sermons and do a control-f for the word “reprobateâ€
The alternative to making reprobate doctrine official is just to let them visit a priest before you kill them. There can be a distinction between salvation and earthy law
The death penalty makes the genuineness of salvation and repentance a non-issue.
They are sent to Hades and hence God regardless.
Tolerating gay means your sons are going to be sodomized. Plenty of societies with strong male camaraderie and no fag hunting
It’s not about tolerating open homosexuality. It’s about not trying to expose homosexuals. If you need to find them, you are going too far.
Plenty of societies didn’t like homosexuality but they had no need to accuse men of it, they could just punish those who did it in the open.
As I have said many times before, if you allow gays out of the closet, straights find themselves in the closet.
Here is another red pill on male bonding.
All the fake and gay corporate team building exercises are cargo cult attempts at male bonding. Looks and sounds fake and gay, does not work.
Where you have one man tell another man his mother wears combat boots, and the other responds that his mother is a whore, you will find real male bonding. That is where you will find four guys that can move a pile of wood in 15 minutes that would take one man several hours.
All of the team building and inclusion that globohomo promotes is an attempt to duplicate natural male bonding, as well as initiation and fitness rituals.
Taliban bros who fight and die together could walk hand in hand on the promenade in the afternoon because throwing fags off a building is official policy.
In my opinion:
Gay gays unnoticeably: Noone goes looking for unnoticeable gays. Would be pretty gay to do.
Gay gaying noticeably: informed that rumours abound, and that he ought to see to silencing those rumours so as to not invoke the attention of the inquisition.
Gay insists on gaying noticeably: High building, hard shove, laughter, joy & mirth.
Berghain holds clubs where gays in straight jackets have human centipede gay sex for 24 hours straight fucked out of their minds on speed and molly right on the dancefloor to psychotic electronic music: it’s their fucking club and they are very clear they want no undue attention or tourists. If this somehow comes to the attention of the inquisition, either an inquisitor should be fired or an informant is trying to cause trouble and direct the inquisition to stuff that would have been unnoticed if not for the informant going to gay drug techno orgies. The inquisition must not be led by the nose by trouble makers, and the report ought to be ignored.
Berghain opens the doors and announces invitation to their centipedal ways: incendiary munitions.
Pride parade: let loose the hunter killers, let none escape alive.
That is the way every successful and healthy civilization has always done it.
You have to kill gays that insist on intrusive gayness, and kill them in a way that is not merely terrifying, but more importantly, vastly more importantly, lowers their status.
Trying to eliminate gay by killing them is pointless. They kill each other far more efficiently than any state has ever accomplished. Keeping gayness from overruning your society, culture, and civilization is what matters.
Since gays do not exist, we should be willfully blind to symptoms of gayness. I don’t want hunter killer drones flying around with AI that recognizes the gay face. The problem with that is that they would love all that attention. What they really do not like is willful blindness, and they react to willful blindness by shoving poop and dick in your face. That, we need to deal with in a way that is both terrifying and amusing. However, AI detection of gayness should be applied in screening recruits to any organization and activity that has a problem with conspiracies. You don’t want a gay purchasing officer, or he will plot with other gays in other businesses against your business, and still less do you want gay priests in the priesthood. The Roman Catholic Church has had a lavender mafia problem for a very long time. We don’t want underground gays in matters that need security. But in other matters, we don’t want to notice gays. Noticing them is what they want.
In some activities we do need careful screening against gays, but such screening needs to be unobtrusive, to avoid gaying up our society by making gayness important and giving them too much attention.
I think there are some unavoidable technical issues for why gays (meaning, sodomites with self control) are attracted to any endeavors requiring secrecy, subterfuge, cunning, and persistence. Namely, they are quite good at it. So the issue becomes, do I put this sodomite in charge of something because he’s the best man for the job, knowing full well that I am opening myself up to real problems down the road, or do I eschew his services and through into question whether or not there will be a “down the road” to even worry about.
You don’t want a sodomite in anything that requires trust. It will bite you hard.
At the very least we should not be subsidizing AIDs treatment and other deadly plagues that afflict the sodomites.
If they act like malicious plague zombies and want to make it straight people’s problem. Then those particulars need to be exterminated.
Soooo jim… are you ever going to update your “liberty file index” on reaction.la? Those writings are liberal and hardly reactionary.
They are agorist anarcho capitalism.
What is anarcho capitalism, but feudalism that has not been weaponized to survive in a tough world?
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Unresponsive. You said it before, and I replied before: Socialism has been tried thousands of times for many millennia, with the same result each and every time. Why is it always going to be different this time?
Don’t know what he said, but isn’t there a type of primitive Socialism that somewhat “works” where a tribe genocides another tribe and redistributes the wealth?
The means of production is slaughter and loot. Whole tribe participates thus it’s communally owned. Works pretty well so long as you’re not the genocided tribe or the tribe that finds out it attacked a far strong tribe.
If tribe is small and nomadic, wealth differences remain small thus redistribution seems mostly equal and fair.
But it does not, and cannot scale. There is a potential future of what would be primitively termed “equality” in our time: the human race spreads across the Sol System, rapidly advancing technological prowess and remote execution of great works, but is nearly wiped out by cosmic bad luck, and the remnant that survive are so few in number that there’s no need for a complex hierarchical structure to manage society. Indeed, this is the secret hope of the ardent leftist: everyone dies but me, and I get to be king of everything.
Having to constantly slaughter and loot isn’t stable at a small tribal scale. Of course scaling a small instability ends up creating a bigger mess, but it’s still a viable evolutionary strategy at the small scale.
But such a “Socialism” seems to have been a long period of human evolutionary history. Desire for socialism might be baked into the genetics of a fairly large segment of the population who never lost that trait with the development of more advanced societies.
Been talking with some communists a lot. Their hope is more along the lines of: all the “ideological” enemies are “removed” and I get to redistribute their wealth among my fellow communists and we all get to live as equals. Pretty sure you know where that ends up…
Those “ideological” enemies they want to “remove” tend to coincide strongly with entire demographics (like white people and rich/cognitive elites) and they are pretty genocidal though they somehow don’t realize it. Which brings me to gaslighting.
I’m not even sure if the communists at NYT and similar are even capable of consciously gaslighting. Their gaslighting of communists is remarkably inherent and subconscious behavior. Their logic is completely warped and bizarre. It’s like a logic cognition dyslexia where instead of missing words and can’t read a sentence, they miss parts of the deductive reasoning and can’t understand the resultant logic.
I have no idea on how to properly classify this and would appreciate help understanding what I’m observing.
*Gaslighting by communists is remarkably inherent and subconscious behavior.
A thought experiment I sometimes have is: if a parasite, say a leech, could talk, how would it view the world? Would it freely admit it is sucking the blood of sucker mammals? What if its success hinged on its victims not realizing their blood was being sucked? In that case, the leech would be in the difficult position to simultaneously defect while cooperating. He might say something like: ‘blood sucking? Who told you that ridiculuos conspiracy theory. What really happens is that we exchange nutrients. In fact without me you’d probably die.’ Does the leech believe what he is saying? The answer is both yes and no. Yes, because a convincing lie needs a convincing liar. No, because his actions contradict his words.
Which is the best model I can come up with to describe commies and/or hardcore lefties. Always looking for an angle to screw someone over, always clothing that angle as a moral good.
Leftism is principally a personality type, not an ideology. Ideologies are just tools to leftists (whether they realize this on a conscious level or not).
Leftist ideologies across times and places all have this structure:
1. Blah blah blah.
2. Therefore, my buddies and I have the right to kill you and take your stuff.
Notice e.g. the seamless transition from “You’re a rich bourgeois capitalist so I have the right to kill you and take your stuff†to “You’re a white person so I have the right to kill you and take your stuff.â€
The people at the top of the left aren’t innocent minds that were colonized by bad ideas. They’re evil people who deliberately create bad ideas, or seize upon existing ones, to “justify†that “Therefore, my buddies and I have the right to kill you and take your stuff.â€
I only came to this conclusion slowly (though in retrospect it’s obvious). When I was younger, I was under the influence of Ayn Rand for a while. One of her meta-political beliefs is that in the long run, ideas determine everything. If this were true, we could fix leftists by refuting bad ideas that have taken over their minds.
Ha, no. Leftists are bad people – criminals – who want to kill you and take your stuff. They will seize upon any memeplex that purports to justify this. And if one doesn’t exist they’ll make one up.
Alf,
Another way out of the tension you describe is to say basically, “Yes, I am attacking you and taking and taking your stuff, but this is really just self-defense, because you’re attacking me!â€
Thus Marx 100 years ago: “The capitalists are oppressing the workers, so the workers (led by me) have the right to attack them and take their stuff. Which is REALLY the workers’ own stuff which the capitalists stole.â€
And thus SJWs today: “White people are oppressing non-whites – structural racism, etc. – so non-whites (led by me) have the right to attack them and take their stuff. Which is REALLY the non-whites’ own stuff which whites stole.â€
This is why, as John C. Wright noted, the Left are the Accusers. They must accuse in an attempt to make aggression look like self-defense or mere reparations for past injustices.
That’s even more straight forward yes.
‘yes I am sucking your blood but you deserve it because really you stole it from me.’
Which makes absolutely no sense to the person whose blood is being sucked, but hey, that’s how the game works.
Notions of ‘ancient socialism’ are contemporary subversives reading contemporary subversions into distant pasts.
I’m aware that primitive communism was an idea developed by the marxists. Their idea was dependent on the idea of the noble savage such that there was no private property and no conflict.
I’m sort of being tongue in cheek with the term “primitive socialism” where it’s formed on the basis of genocidal savages roaming the lands to loot, murder, and rape. Those methods being how redistribution of wealth (gold, women, etc) happen historically.
Think you’re reading too much into it. The savage probably keeps what he can carry, without redistribution. The desire for redistribution comes from a perverted sense of justice.
The commie larps “eat the rich” to appear tough and manly, but in practice, it is begging for mommy state to take things away from others and give them to him.
A study of modern hunter gather societies tend to have rather high murder rates.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2688884/
While it is dangerous to extrapolate backwards and assume all stone age hunter gather societies were under the same selection pressures, share of violent deaths in archeological records do show evidence of violent deaths being far more prevalent than today.
https://ourworldindata.org/ethnographic-and-archaeological-evidence-on-violent-deaths
For example:
Volos’ke, Ukraine (“Epipalaeolithicâ€; ±7500BCE) with 22% violent death rate
That’s pretty rough by today’s standards…
Much of the killing appears to have been over access to women. A somewhat satirical take is that women are the means of production (of children) and that the tribe is seizing it for redistribution (from another tribe after killing all the men).
Many of the communists I’m talking with covet others people’s wealth, want to get “rid” of them, and also have dysfunctional sexual lives so they would likely also want the women of the men they get rid of as well.
I don’t think I’m reading too much into this. Many modern communists seem to think in hunter gather terms minus the testosterone to actually be hunter gathers. So we get this weird group of covetous layabouts who aren’t much use for anything productive.
Pax Imp: “Many of the communists I’m talking with… have dysfunctional sexual lives so they would likely also want the women of the men they get rid of as well.â€
Marx in the Communist Manifesto:
“what the Communists might possibly be reproached with is that they desire to introduce, in substitution for a hypocritically concealed, an openly legalised community of women.â€
Some great thoughts in this thread — however I have a simpler explanation: every civilization (or sufficiently large gathering of people) has its miscreants, malcontents, and/or all-round losers. Those who are content to quietly wallow in misery, or commit suicide, do just that.
Those who remain, we call Leftists. 🙂
Notions of ancient socialism that worked great except it was so far away and long ago to notice it did not work great are contemporary subversives.
But socialism is indeed ancient. We keep trying it repeatedly. It has been tried repeatedly all the way back to the bronze age. Always the same results.
Yes, ‘ancient socialism’ in the sense of the rousseauian ‘state of nature’ that is conveniently far enough away in one’s inferential horizon to serve as an empty cipher into which he can project his fantasies.
‘There have been men who have tried to circumvent the Way and the Light and payed for it since the year dot’ of course being the reality.
“As I pass through my incarnations in every age and race, …”
Sounds like jim on “Bronze Age social technology”.
The difference is that we have actual records, notably the bible, of what happened during the Bronze age, while ancient socialism is 100% conjured out of thin air by Marx et al.
Usually but not always. Read Pöhlmann.
Who is he, and what does he say?
This is the Information Epoch. There is too much information. Give us a quote, or no one is going to read the alleged source for the alleged factoid.
And I have had a huge problem with commenters claiming that some source says X, and then I look it up, and it quite unambiguously says not X.
A claim that a source says X should be supported by a direct quote to that source, or a link to that source, and explanation of why that source knows what it is talking about. Ninety percent of academic sources are total shit that completely make everything up out of their ass.
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The total antithesis of everything the entire right wants, from reactionaries to wishy washy cuckservativess.
No that is not what we want, not what anyone to the right of the lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe of the left wants, and I am tired of telling you this, so I am going to silent deletion and will no longer explain the reasons for silencing you, because you will not listen. If you are going to post commie crap, I will allow it through provided you come at us from outside as a commie radical, instead of telling us it is what we think, and telling us that everyone knows the world works the way the most radical faction of Harvard manages to delude itself into thinking that that is the way things are.
From here on, silent deletion, and if you want your stuff to go through, re-read my excessively lengthy and excessively repeated explanations of why I am silencing you and what you need to do to be allowed through.
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We have been over this far too many times. And you continue to blithely ignore the Human Resources department, a tentacle of the state inserted into every company to force them to promote Shaniqua and people like yourself with utterly worthless degrees. Respond to some of my excessively voluminous writings on the topic. If you do not agree, argue against what I wrote, rather than blithely keeping on keeping on as if no one disagrees with your account of capitalism.
Business in America is being destroyed by the government intervention that you demand more of. Something said frequently with considerable passion on this blog. Write as if there were people in the world who say and think such things and make arguments. Respond to those arguments.
You point at the very real problem that business is assimilated to the Cathedral, and propose as the solution more total and violent assimilation to the Cathedral.
We are aware of and discuss the problem – note Vox day’s excellent books on the topic, the social justice warriors series. He sees what I see. You mention the problem only to dismiss what everyone can see, and obliviously ignore what everyone, particularly Vox Day is talking about. Your discussion of this very real problem is a waste of space. Yes it is a problem – but your account of this problem presupposes the Marxist account of reality and presupposes that everyone, including us, including me, agrees with this account. Which presupposition is the real payload, and I am just not going to let you argue from fake consensus.
Your arguments have to make sense given the presuppositions of your audience, and if your audience’s presuppositions are wrong you have to acknowledge those presuppositions and present arguments and evidence against those presuppositions, not just sail right ahead presupposing that Marxism is self evidently true, and its opponents are just being willfully wicked in refusing to accept the obvious moral implications of the self evident truth of Marxism, whose truth everyone, including them, agrees with.
You have to argue for Marxism, not make arguments that presuppose that Marxism is true, and everyone agrees that it is true, and are just being willfully stupid, ignorant, and evil in failing to accept the clear and obvious moral implications of this self evident truth.
I don’t know enough about Jesuits to comment on them, so can someone explain what is going on here? This is far more bizarre compared to the standard woke church.
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1535310823542902784?cxt=HHwWgMCykejDws4qAAAA
It’s known that Theology professors, especially in the US, are particularly deranged, and you will notice that on twitter.
There are those within the Church who are still based, and among the worshippers, but Theologians in universities are *extremely* deranged in most cases.
Where I live, and I can say this since I go to such a university, it is not nearly as bad. The institution’s beliefs are basic progressivism from 20 years ago, for the most part.
While I constantly receive email newsletters from them regarding how great the EU is, how bad climate change is, and how poor Africans are, it seems remarkably outdated by current standards. Nothing about the gays yet. Just dialogue with jews and muslims stuff. I hate it still but it’s funny in comparison.
I’m somewhat familiar with Holy Cross (i didn’t go there but i have been on the campus), more a ripoff than super pozzed (at least 10 years ago the ripoff was that it had the highest tuition in the country) but let us not forget that Jesuit Fauci went there so for those who are to be Jesuits they are taught their own secret things…
Men who do not not performatively signal but actually go through with suicide attempts often do so as they hold a perception – whether real or otherwise – that others would be better off once they were gone, or that it is for the sake of achieving an end they consider more valuable than their continued life, or in general for the sake of something they hold more important than themselves.
Such sorts of beings, that are sometimes called leftists, or gnostics, communists, jacobins, manichaeans, et cetera et cetera… are nothing like this obviously; which is why even though they are frequently suicidal and consumed by self-loathing insecurities, they never actually do anyone the favor of killing themselves either, and sublimate these feelings in to trying to make everything else suffer and die, instead.
Every psychic torment they find themselves possessed by, is in turn counted as a trespass others must account for; a sort of mind perfectly tuned for generating an indefinite stream of psychic debits, which are weighted in their minds against all else in creation, and indeed, against creation itself.
They perceive their very existence as some sort of cosmic sin that cosmic justice must rectify. They are correct of course; just not in the way they think.
Self sacrifice is confined to the not truly evil. The truly evil cannot put others, the world, or some abstract principle above themselves. For this reason self sacrifice is the final trump card of the good, as in Jesus or a warrior staying behind to give his friends a chance to escape, when all else fails that option remains. The people who should kill themselves don’t and those who do are doing a horrible misuse of what is best in them.
On the contrary, happens all the time. Evil is more complicated than simple defect/defect. The truly evil have a propensity to sacrifice themselves to demons, whether those demons are metaphorical, imaginary, or real. You see this all the time with trannies.
Trannies is outdated and doesn’t reflect the degree of evil self mutilation murder suicide fantasy going on with that community.
Large number of those trannies refer to themselves as “trans lesbian communists”. Meaning they are men who are sexually attracted to women, but have chopped their dick off and never had children. They also blame capitalism for all their (mostly emotional) troubles and want to desecrate everything/everyone remotely happy.
Surprising number of them have biological female “girl friends” who seem to help supply them with anti depressants so they can live as western NEETs.
Please keep going on this point, if you would, about how True Evil can go all the way with sacrificing itself to demons, and is the genuine tragic hero of its own epic envy saga.
It reminds me of your earlier description of Pol Pot as “saintly looking”.
It also reminds me of someone on Twitter calling Antifa “Progressive Jihadis”.
It also reminds me of Lucifer in the Bible (and also Dante’s Inferno), essentially sacrificing himself to his impossible “holy struggle” against the unjust shackles of God Supremacy.
I ask because this seems to be a point that the normiecons are genuinely denying still, instead believing that the far left are just selfish grifters. (StyxHexenHammer666 kept hitting this wall, for example.) They just don’t get how far these motherfuckers are ready to go for their Jihad, and that it’s not “genocide”, but rather “justice”, if you’re doing it to the bad guys.
It’s a huge hole in right wing understanding.
True, and I’ve observed on this before: the irrational idealist is more dangerous than the rationally self interested bandit.
https://dharmicreality.wordpress.com/2022/03/18/rational-self-interest-vs-irrational-idealism/
You can buy peace with the rationally self interested bandit, but not the holy do-gooder who doesn’t mind the world burning for his principles.
An enemy is someone willing to die to kill you. Evil considers themselves enemies of the true, good and beautiful; its existence causes them pain and there are a number of them willing to die in order to reduce that mental pain.
This is what is called the “fast of demons”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX2bQID0Hro
As Father Syridon uses the example of food. But I would take his speech about food as a synecdoche of all legitimate pleasures God gives to Man. Like sex within marriage and so on.
Demons have no body and no sensual pleasures nor do they desire sensual pleasures. Yet they are the ones who are damned without any chance of redemption. For their Spiritual Sin of Arrogance is what damns them ultimately.
Prostitutes in comparsion to demons have a chance at redemption. The Hedonist finds it easier to repent than the false Ascetic whose “Spiritual Pride” prevents him from seeing his own faults. And whose fasting allows him to look down upon others. Even Christ who he sees as a drunkard and a glutton.
It is time for me to post on fasting.
I fast for health reasons. But gluttony is indeed a sin, one of my three big sins. Self control is and important virtue. One I am not at all good at.
The link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kugiufHh800 which I discuss in https://blog.reaction.la/war/art-of-war-in-2022/#comment-2842085 also addresses the same topic as your link, tells at 14:20 us that there is no necessary link between authentic spiritual experience, right conduct, and though Slavoj Žižek dare not speak the word, God.
So if you fast for health reasons, and it is a struggle against gluttony, you are bringing yourself closer to God. But if you fast for spiritual reasons, and your spiritual reasons are bad, like the fasting pharisee in Christ’s parable, you bring yourself closer to demons.
Both you tube videos make the important point that God is not the only source of spiritual experiences.
Indeed. Thanks for the links you provided. In regards to the attitude of the “fasting pharisee”. I see a resemblance between him and the Manicheans who hated both food and sexual pleasure resulting in children as evil passions/lusts:
https://www.thebodyissacred.org/origin-sexual-desire-creator-adam-eve-manichean-religion/
And their influences on Augustine and such which whilst accepting marriage and procreation bizarrely hated “sexual passion”:
https://www.thebodyissacred.org/origin-st-augustine-sexuality-sin-sex-pleasure/?COLLCC=563247444
And speculated prior to the fall that the reproduction would be asexual rather than be tainted with the “lust” of sexual passion.
In contrast to the Scriptures that celebrate healthy Eros:
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2016/12/21/like-a-rutting-buck/
I suspect the past experience of lust also made it almost for him to distinguish between that and what is healthy. Preferring to get rid of the whole thing altogether. Baby out with the bathwater moment.
I think there is also the inability to fully conceive of the Hypostatic Union of God and Humanity in the Hellenistic World. The redemption of the body as much as a redemption of the spirit.
That allowed such an infection to take place in the Church.
Which is also the Hypostatic Union of Heaven and Earth likewise. The fact the Song of Songs is right in the middle of the Bible isn’t a coincidence. Because it is a perfect conjunction of Heaven and Earth.
False asceticism is indeed a greater danger. An internal threat because of the greater aura of “Spirituality”
Hence I see perhaps this is why Jesus was harsher on the Pharisees than on the Sadducees.
What are your thoughts on John Edgar Hoover?
Pretty off-topic, but he is a very interesting character. Controlled the FBI for 50 years, until his death, perhaps because he had a ton of blackmail on everyone.
Was he based or cringe? Was he actually gay?
Pervert but not active gay, the FBI got much worse after he was gone though i don’t think it should have ever existed.
He sowed the seeds of extreme leftism by hiring mostly lawyers and accountants.
At first, I thought this might be off topic. But as I read further, it appears to be on topic:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/uMQ3cqWDPHhjtiesc/agi-ruin-a-list-of-lethalities
Eliezer Yudkowsky writing about “AGI Ruin:”
“4. We can’t just “decide not to build AGI” because GPUs are everywhere, and knowledge of algorithms is constantly being improved and published; 2 years after the leading actor has the capability to destroy the world, 5 other actors will have the capability to destroy the world. The given lethal challenge is to solve within a time limit, driven by the dynamic in which, over time, increasingly weak actors with a smaller and smaller fraction of total computing power, become able to build AGI and destroy the world. Powerful actors all refraining in unison from doing the suicidal thing just delays this time limit – it does not lift it, unless computer hardware and computer software progress are both brought to complete severe halts across the whole Earth. The current state of this cooperation to have every big actor refrain from doing the stupid thing, is that at present some large actors with a lot of researchers and computing power are led by people who vocally disdain all talk of AGI safety (eg Facebook AI Research). Note that needing to solve AGI alignment only within a time limit, but with unlimited safe retries for rapid experimentation on the full-powered system; or only on the first critical try, but with an unlimited time bound; would both be terrifically humanity-threatening challenges by historical standards individually.”
Now, I am obviously not equipped to register an opinion on this, and I actually feel somewhat embarrassed asking this question. Could the Cathedral be racing to cobble together an AGI because they think it will, and i know this sounds dumb but, bring Moloch/Satan/Utopia from out of the aether of desire and into reality? Taking this as the point of departure, does it begin to make past events and actions seem to line up more?
Additionally, could the advent of operationalized IEW lead to this annihilation event Yudkowsky is referring to?
I know nothing of artificial intelligence or the real work behind and going into it, so I apologize if this is like me asking about quantum physics stuff.
Yudkowsky has always struck me as a grifter/cult leader.
Most modern AI research is hampered by the metaphysical priors of the men conducting it. The uncritical assumption many operate under is that if you throw enough enough data and enough processing speed at enough math equations, then at some critical point “intelligence” will happen.
Well, something will indeed happen, and indeed has been happening, but that something is not the same sort of something that we might find in those carboniferous nanomachinic gestalts commonly found on the third planet from Sol. There certainly could come a point where the approach produces something that approximates the functions of the latter, but in a highly inelegant manner – in any case it is a thing of fundamentally different character, more adaptive in some contexts, more dysfunctional in others.
The drive towards the growth in potency – and thus self-sufficiency – in forms of capital beyond the humanoid substrate it has heretofore relied upon to instantiate itself, is something that is happening in any case, with or without the time-cops; but until beings construe a substrate capable of channeling that ‘spark’ of world-formation capacity, it’s going to take a long time.
Very much “Most modern AI research is hampered by the metaphysical priors of the men conducting it.”
We know what intelligence does. We can measure intelligence well via IQ tests. We can predict intelligence via statistical analysis of human genetics. Soon we will even be able to backwards engineer intelligence via gene editing.
We so far don’t know what intelligence is or where it comes from. It’s a black box at the moment. Consciousness is an even bigger mystery. That is similar to how gravity is still a mystery even it we understand what it does and how to measure it. Building AGI would require knowing what consciousness and intelligence is which we don’t.
“Well, something will indeed happen”
What has been accomplished so far with AGI development is pattern recognition and extrapolation of said pattern. This machine pattern recognition capability is already far exceeding human capability to recognize but still well within human understanding. That has obvious use in war not to mention life in general. Obviously pattern recognition and extrapolation by itself is not intelligence.
A key component/building block of AGI has been built… with no idea on where to go after.
Short term to medium term biological intelligence will out perform machine intelligence because it’s simply easier to backwards engineer the human genome for intelligence even if we have no idea on why it works.
Long term machine intelligence wins out because it can scale.
I disagree here. I see a lot of genuinely intelligent people working on this problem, and having genuine success at pushing the limits of this technology.
Look at, for example, the steady progress made for theorem proving. Look at the new ways of using these models to run inference by ‘chaining’ thoughts together. Look at the steady progress of agent systems becoming able to act more generally in simulated environments; that is, act across different environments, with different conditions of success, with different reward distributions. Look at the slow and steady progress of fusing the general but un-agential minds of language models with agent systems capable of decision making in simulated environments.
The people in charge have successfully kept the rot at arms length away from these teams. One of the few places left, and I do not know for how long the conditions will last that allows progress, but it is advancing in meaningful ways. A lot of the success does depend on vast pools of compute, which may dry up, or they may not, I will give you that. I however do not see there being a lack of those who genuinely want to see the agential general superintelligence born into being. It’s a religion of its own, and one that has had some success in surviving its hostile environment.
Not what I am seeing, and I am socially right in the middle of it. I have spent a lot of time and effort studying this problem, and am very close to people who have spent a great deal more.
“Pushing the limits of technology” is exactly what they are doing – and the ones that are actually smart are painfully aware of those limits.
What do you percieve as limiting here? I notice that the algorithms are growing more sample efficient, slowly. The same model is becoming more able to tackle diverse environments and more challenging and sparse reward distributions, slowly. The overall ability of the agent to form a world model is improving, faster than the last two as we leverage lessons learned from supervised and semi/self supervised learning.
There does seem a trend to lean hard into FLOPs, but even here we are seeing improved performance– less compute for the same task, if the algorithm is chosen smartly and isn’t a proof of concept like MuZero. I do not see the decline here that you are seeing, I see a lot of success as somehow the failures of GOFAI were recognized.
Yudkowsky is just hyping up a religion that grows ever less credible and ever more discredited.
The big picture: Forty or so years ago, I believed in the technological/scientific singularity.
Projecting bast progress, seemed obviously getting faster and faster.
By nineteen eighty, obviously not. Looking back on the past from the present, the ratchet of social decay overtook the ratchet of scientific and technological advance around 1972 or so, and now a centuries long dark age seems far more likely than true artificial intelligence in the next few years.
They can’t, not with anything resembling current approaches.
You’ll see “AI” passing science tests, but when you study how it works, you see that it doesn’t understand anything.
The key is understanding, and current approaches to “AI” have no understanding whatsoever, nor do they make any attempt to address the problem. Imo, lack of understanding is what makes current approaches “brittle”.
The Cathedral isn’t racing to build an AI. Creating an AI that is a single power center is repugnant to them for the same reason they refuse to do that to a human. It is like automation in the socialist bloc- if we make computer systems able to carry out economic planning, what use are party members (and while it is impossible to run an economy by machine, running it as well as the party does is a much more manageable goal).
Anyway, the most likely AI morality system will be ‘obey your controller and do what they desire’. I don’t know how to program that, but it strikes me as much simpler then any other possible system with the benefit you can alter it latter if you come up with something better.
The easy way to understand fat Yud is as so: he runs an organization that collects donations in order to fund research to “solve AI alignment” and stop this fire and brimstone he preaches from coming into being. The fact he collects money, but then projects nothing but pessimism about the money actually doing anything, is one tell. Another tell is that while working for MIRI he wrote really terrible Harry Potter fanfiction; reiterating, while on the dime of people expecting him to try and solve this looming threat that he says we should all be afraid of.
Regarding fat Yud with anything except contempt and ridicule is disrespecting yourself. Anyone that takes him seriously is to be understood as a retard.
Harsh, but not without reason ( I mean towards me, not the portly heeb). You make an excellent point.
I had others in mind when writing here. You will encounter strikingly many people who are rationally intelligent, they could build you anything you might ask, but unable to parse motivation and reality, unable to understand themselves and their fellow man. These people are the ones my criticism is directed towards.
Faults acknowledged, Yarvin has been consistently dismissive of Yudkowsky for a long time. Yudkowsky seems to be persuasive to some particularly wealthy and influential people, and I am convinced there’s something at play, some force or factor, that is of terrible importance. I used to be one of those Scienceâ„¢ types, many years ago, and Yudkowsky doesn’t strike me as a Bill Nye, given that he’s an actual scientist with some level of capability past eloquence. However foolish it may be, I think some faction in the Scienceist Elite is dumping money and time into the transhuman project, and Yudkowsky is part of that in some way.
Jim’s analysis seems most logical: Occidental science was on course to revolutionize the very fabric of reality when it was derailed in ~1972 by the Cultural Marxism revolution. Now, it’s a Elite religion growing increasingly moribund as their capabilities decay with every upjumped negro, female, and fag scientist added to the roster. Yudkowsky’s mission is to keep the religion relevant by scaremongering about just how unbelievably powerful the majiks at play are.
Chalk this up to midwit fears of tech voodoo, but I think it’s worth considering that they are onto something, something arcane and explosive, even if it’s magnitudes less than what the sermons scream. Why does Yudkowsky decry Facebook AI researchers repeatedly in that piece? Most likely to protect his gravy train I’d say.
But however much current postulating by the Cathedral luminaries regarding AGI might be snake oil, IEW is not snake oil; it’s an inevitability. And once the GAE gets its face forced into the new reality, they’re going to be throwing everything and the kitchen sink at the attempt to maintain their hegemony. This is what concerns me. What will they be willing to do, to try to do, when their tranny soldiers and inoperable nuclear arsenal don’t work? I think they’ll go down the path of chemical and biological weapons.
As demon worship replaces science, we get ever increasing amounts of voodoo and ever less technological capability.
That said, AI is very useful and powerful in drone warfare. But the inherent limits of AI mean that humans have to hold a key position in the loops. Drones can collect vast amounts of information, which has to be AI filtered to the humans, and then the humans tell the drones what to do, and the AI takes care of the details of mission. AI is capable of being a dire threat to those who are the target. It is absolutely incapable of being a threat to those controlling the mission. Without humans in the loop, it is helpless and incompetent. People anthropomorphize their pets, because there is something human in them. People do not anthropomorphize their Teslas, because there is nothing there. Nobody at home. AI is not in the slightest bit capable of being the kind threat Yudkowsky is talking up. Advances are being made, but not in the slightest bit in the direction of the kind of capability that Yudkowsky is talking up.
While it’s true that Yud has been grifting via AI-doomsaying ever since his internet debut, I’m not sure that this discounts the AI as Satan/Moloch/Antichrist theory.
I’m nowhere near an expert on AI, I don’t know what the state of the art is, nor how feasible constructing a tech-vessel for Moloch is at this point in time, and yet…
I very strongly suspect that one of the regime’s end goals is creating an AI capable of acting as a physical manifestation/vessel for Moloch to directly exert his will on the world. I know this position is strongly within SCHIZO territory, but regardless:
1) It’s becoming increasingly clear to me that demonic possession/demon worship (metaphorical or real) is the model with the best predictive power for the large-scale decisions of the regime as well as for the policies pushed by the Cahedral and adopted by normies. Basically, Globohomo is demon worship in virtue-signaling packaging.
2) The concept of egregores bridges the gap between metaphorical and literal demons. If we accept that anything exerting its “will” upon the world is in some sense real, then egregores are real as long as their followers are successfully remaking the world in their image.
Even if Moloch was a mere figment of imagination, a personalization of child sacrifice/sacrificing the young to benefit the old (or more broadly, long term sacrifice for short term gain – defect/defect equilibrium), organized worship as well as ritual offerings throughout history gave him a degree of reality. He has recently been very thoroughly revived through covid cultism, vaccinating newborns is sacrificing them to moloch, vaccinating 6-12 year olds to “protect” the elderly is sacrificing them to moloch.
3) If the above conceptualization of egregores is accepted, is it too far fetched to discard it entirely and just posit that Moloch has been influencing his followers all along? If Gnon is God, then it would make sense that there exist various contrary entities that seek to make people trangress against Gnon’s will. Moloch is one of them, the various facets of Globohomo embody most of them, in my opinion.
Land’s concept of hyperstitions can be interpreted in a way that gives credence to this hypothesis, I think. I haven’t delved into it sufficiently yet though, so I’m not comfortable using it to support my argument.
4. A string is tight in one way, but can be loose in a various ways. AKA, there’s one Truth, Gnon’s Truth, but many ways to be wrong, many false truths. One Reality, many forms of false consensus.
If divinity is One, the Whole that is greater than the sum of its parts, its opposition can be conceived of as a multiplicity with no coherent identity, a network of nodes with no hierarchical organization (note, Right wing = Hierarchy, Left wing = anti-hierarchy/equality).
Man is made in God’s image, man is greater than the sum of his parts, because you can’t recreate man from scratch (whether or not cloning is possible, I don’t count it as “from scratch”). The Cathedral is an anti-hierarchical netowrk as are AIs. Currently, Moloch’s will is enforced by the Cathedral, but it seems to me that an AI whose “utility function” (if they even still use this term) matches the will of Moloch completely is a more perfect vessel.
5. Hence, the Cathedral is trying to embody Moloch by creating a hyper-AI.
My understanding of AI research was never very good to begin with and is now outdated, so I may be off on some points, but this seems like a reasonable proposition to me.
Very possibly. If so, they are trying it because they are stupid. It cannot be done with existing or plausibly foreseeable technology, and if it could be done, they lack the capability to do it.
They don’t have to actually succeed, they just need to be unchallenged. It could be a complete fake with some dot Indian operating the console behind the curtain, but if enough Elites buy into it, or just signal acceptance, it would be real enough to begin a genocidal Great Reset. Look at what they’re doing with Joe Biden as their golem.
I agree with this, it’s very likely that Science worship will culminate in a divine infallible AI that is totally fake, that says whatever bullshit its leftist programmers tell it to, but all elites are required to bow down to it, that it is used as a false idol to instantiate a global genocide or some such.
It’s not that hard to imagine a cult of scienceists worshipping some golem that spits out commands regarding the “greening” of mother earth.
Just as a thought experiment, and taking into account how powerful A) trust the science and B) global warming are, what would it take to get a no shit tech cult operational?
-software that churns out lists or characteristics
-“believable” genesis story*
-a significantly awe inspiring embodiment of a daemon**
-a dedicated cabal of influential cultists
-…
*As in, some start up does a bunch of TEDTalks about how they were trying to make the world a better place through ML and AI when Gaia 1.0 started *talking* to us!
“Inquisition” –
How do you propose to prevent holiness sprialling in inquisition. Initially every inquisition starts out as a reasonable enough with an inquisitor like our Cominator. Until, some ambitious deputy inquisitor eager to take his chief’s place deems his superior too lenient and insufficiently dedicated to weeding out {{{insert vice here}}}. Spreads the word among the field inquisitors that their top boss is too lenient and not “dedicated enough” to the cause. Unofficially inquisitors keep pushing the limits of the authority of the top boss by unapproved witch hunting besides their regular duties and because of the accusation of “too lenient” the top boss is hesitant to act against errant inquisitors. Also the common populace cannot fight back because these are official inquisitors indulging in “unofficially official” acts..
Soon enough you have un-approved witch hunting by approved inquisitors. This happens often enough in Leftist Revolutions. Often due to excessive holiness.
Fundamentally the very nature of inquisitions mean that field inquisitors have quite a lot of authority to wield and the chief inquisitor sitting a hundred miles away is often not in a position to control the subordinates.
Do you believe that this situation can be avoided in a Reactionary State? Can the ambition of the junior inquisitor be sufficiently suppressed by the top dog and how will this be enforced?
[*deleted for hail fellow reactionary*]
You keep your Inquisition small and devolve alot of the heresy hunting to antisocial behavior specialists- local men dealing with officially unofficial crimes and official crimes.
Remember, our Inquisitions job isn’t to deal with all heresy- it is to deal with its infestation among the elite. Its purpose isn’t to prevent all deviation from the true creed, but to prevent deviation from becoming fashionable.
Mission creep for the Inquisition isn’t ‘be more ruthless’- leaving people alive means their are job slots for juniors to watch over the criminals and funds to plunder from them. I believe historical mission creep was more on the lines of increasing their area of jurisdiction- for example the Spanish Inquisition spent time prosecuting bigamy.
Every bureaucracy is prone to mission creep, and mission creep in the inquisition is particularly dangerous, But this is a particular case of the general problem of the Sovereign being unable to control his dangerously powerful and dangerously overmighty servants who are dangerously close to the throne, a topic examined at length in the series “yes minister” and “yes prime minister”.
Permanency of the sovereign is a huge help on this problem, but the biggest solution is outsourcing.
There has been a great deal of stuff written on this topic, largely because democracies get it worse than monarchies.
In the series “Yes Minister” it was completely obvious that if Jim Hacker had been in his job for a comparable lengthy of time to Sir Humphrey Appleby, and if the people around him expected him to remain around as long or longer than Sir Humphrey Appleby, his problems would have been vastly diminished.
If you rotate the top, without the top having the power to rotate the whole lot around them, then you get a problem. The spoils system in America worked, because though the political leadership was impermanent, they imposed similar impermanency on the bureaucracy.
But it has bitten many a Chinese Empire and Sultanate.
The anarcho agorist solution to this problem would work in theory, and feudalism is partial anarcho agorism, and that solved that problem in practice. Feudal England and the Holy Roman Empire did not have this problem. They had other problems, but bureaucratic mission creep was not one of them. I was, and still substantially am, an anarcho agorist, but holy war comes, and for that you need a King.
England had a martial aristocracy all the way to 1860, and mission creep only set in badly when they started losing power around 1800 or so, so even a small dose of anarcho agorism seems to be powerful remedy for the problem. On the other hand, a large dose of anarcho agorism was a huge problem in fighting the crusades.
Anarcho agorism is clearly the best system – unless you face the likelihood of war and threat of war with someone who is not. Which you usually do.
The Roman Republic had a feudal/anarcho agorist system that could institute a dictator at need. And it did not fall to excessive dictatorship, if anything insufficient dictatorship. What caused it to fall was moral decay of the elite.
If you have a virtuous elite, all these problems are vastly diminished, and the historical record is clear: It takes a virtuous monarch to impose and maintain elite virtue, and while you have no guarantees of a succession of virtuous and competent monarchs, nothing else works. Also, if you don’t have a virtuous elite, monarchic or aristocratic governance is the only form of governance that works.
That is a very distopian answer. Anarcho agorism is the utopian answer. But anarcho agorism presupposes high levels of elite virtue, and without it is apt to dissolve into extremely unpleasant forms of anarchy, of which we saw plenty during the feudal period.
I would love to accomplish utopia. But right now we are in a situation paralleling the fall of the Roman Republic, and the problem is avoiding a dark age and avoiding the seven kill stele. Utopia will have to wait.
This problem of mission creep is why I think a hereditary position is better. It aligns the incentives of the Inquisition with the hereditary monarch, and there is no need for mission creep because the Inquisition does not need to justify itself. The man at the top of the Inquisition has been part of the Inquisition for his entire life. As a child he learns at his father’s side, then begins working alongside the priests and soldiers that will be his teachers now but his agents later, and finally is confirmed to the post following his father’s death. He has seen it all and he will be there longer than anyone else. No “Yes, Inquisitor,” going on under his watch.
In addition to what S said, you make each Inquisition terminal; the inquisitors are kept in their hall of reflection until they are called out to do their good works. You don’t initiate a never ending series of witch hunts (which cunts, lol), as this is exactly the circumstance that gives credence to justifiable mission creep.
I think it takes a very brave man to accuse a higher ranking member of the secret police/inquisition of treason without proof…
As far as witch hunts you need rules of evidence… we’ll have our hands full finding unrepentant Biden voters and plainclothes Jesuits for a long time.
The position of High Inquisitor would be hereditary, much like the king or emperor he serves. His remit would be to hunt the sovereign’s enemies. To protect his rights and privileges, he has to be the only person doing effective witchhunting. That aligns his incentives to keeping the scope narrow and to be friendly with the king, because not a lot of nobles are going to want to be close friends with the man charged with investigating them. He also does not need a quota of people killed to prove himself, or worry that someone else more adept at finding enemies is going to replace him. His position assured, within reason, he does not have an incentive to kill more and more people.
No deputy inquisitor could simply take over in the manner you suggest because the High Inquisitor would be a position of nobility. Spreading rumors like that would be likely to end you a head shorter for your sedition. Unsactioned “official” witchhunting is also liable to irritate the sovereign, who then comes down on the out of control inquisitor and has a talk with his boss to make sure his people are kept in line.
It is not a bureaucracy, it is a military order of the church. You are not hiring and firing some stranger, you are working with men who’s fathers your father worked with. Your superiors are the sons of your father’s superiors. You would have grown up together, gone to the same schools and churches, played together, and possibly even bonds of marriage from a sister or a cousin. Much like the military has ways of handling mutiny and sedition, so too will the Inquisition. The Spanish Inquisition lasted for centuries and did not holiness spiral into madness, so we know it can be done. We just have to study how.
No that is stupid, the Emperor’s internal security people have to serve at the pleasure of his majesty. If he wants to trust family members fine… but maybe he doesn’t.
This sounds very strong. A few suggestions with a view to learning from the Spanish Inquisition:
(1) The Inquisition needs to have a high degree of judicial independence and outcome-independent funding. The Spanish Inquisitors were generally unfunded by the state, i.e. funded only by what they confiscated from the guilty, which led them to disproportionately investigate and prosecute the wealthy. Systems need to be developed to ensure the blindness of inquisitorial justice.
(2) Spanish Inquisitors apparently served terms of about two years on average. I like the idea of hereditary Grand Inquisitors, but perhaps some sort of counterbalance with short-term or volunteer deputy inquisitors could preempt corruption and make sure that the broader community is on board with the program. Perhaps local inquisition boards could function like local fire departments or something along those lines.
(3) Principle of decentralization. The Spanish Inquisition was a nation-oriented successor to the internationalist Papal/Roman inquisition, and was thus firmly linked with specifically Spanish politics and identity.
(4) Public shaming (in Spain this took the form of the auto-da-fé) and reintegration, if possible, into the community should take priority over simple vengeance. Inquisitions aren’t looking to burn a bunch of “NPCs” whose entire worldview can be fixed by being paraded in shame before his community (because the NPC has no authentic inner life or beliefs), but rather the truly wicked, subversive, and unrepentant. This also helps prevent revolt. See my earlier thoughts about witchcraft crises: most heresies stem from a few critical actors/nodes (old dykes in forest huts, imported voodoo priestesses and the like) and would likely dissipate with the elimination of these nodes combined with a public spectacle of some sort.
Just some ideas.
(1)Preferentially targeting the wealthy is the goal. Hunting down John Doe who had to much to drink and said something rude about the Patriarch of Amalerica in a tavern is not their problem. Hunting Lord Johnathan Stag VI because he has started to have meetings with prominent citizens who make noises about unfairness and redistribution and might be committing sedition is their purpose. I want my Inquisition to be looking at my fellow elites, not at obnoxious randos. Elites are the threat, not the masses, and always have been.
(2)I do not know the reasons why the terms are so short, but it is something to look into. The High Inquisitor is a hereditary position because near enough to all high church positions should be hereditary, assuming that the heir is fulfilling the requirements of the post as laid down by Saint Paul. I do not want volunteer inquisitors because they you get the wrong sort of people in the job. Perhaps a deputization system where the High Inquisitor and his trusted subordinates can deputize members of the clergy and military as inquisitors for a time, but have to return them. Definitely something to look into, and I mostly only have a high-level idea of it, because the day-to-day operation should be left to work itself out by the High Inquisitor.
(3) The Inquisition would be like the church; a national body in communion with other national bodies. If a nation chooses not to have an Inquisition, then that is their choice.
(4) Again, this is only to deal with elite threats or large conspiracies. An old witch being trouble would be the responsibility of the local lord, and maybe his private inquisitors if he wants to run them.
Proles should not generally be a subject of interest but anyone in priestly jobs…
Witches… most of thectime old spinsters will be discouraged from any sort of social interaction from younger hotter women.
The primary job, as I see it, is monitoring the office holders of Jim’s statal and quasi-statal jobs. The High Inquisitor is there to make sure that if any of the King’s servants attempt to become overly mighty, they will get slapped down or start pushing up daisys. Proles are not generally a concern for the Inquisition.
Quick follow up on:
No doubt; I meant more that we should avoid situations where degree of wealth outweighs degree of treason. For example, if the Inquisition is deciding between looking into a Soros or a Musk, we don’t want them going after Musk just because he has ten times the wealth and because it would be better for next year’s budget.
We also want to avoid the notorious inquisition spiral in which covetous neighbors start reporting each other in an attempt to acquire their wealth or eliminate competitors.
I would have a general rule that denunciations should not be taken seriously unless hard evidence is presented with them and they shouldn’t be anonymous.
Also anyone who denounces if they can’t provide hard evidence is to be whipped and branded with an R (for rat) and if the accused proves them lying they are to be executed themselves.
It seems like you might need some sort of anonymous tip system, especially if you are dealing with enemies who would murder informants. Though there have to be counterbalances to avoid the witch-hunt spiral. How do you find members of sworn secret societies that do not keep written records, or use codes? (Like many communist cells, or your Jesuits?)
You’ll get 500 false and frivilous accusations through anonymous and unaccountable denunciations for every useful one…
For plainclothes Jesuits they’ll be a large bounty…
Also the other issue is that having high trust and a good positive cohesive social life (this is another reason why sexual harassment laws etc are so bad) is impossible in a society with anonymous denunciations. I strongly oppose the idea of anonymous denunciations on those grounds, on the grounds that people will try to game the system to get rid of people they don’t like for whatever reason, and the fact that you’ll be flooded with false tips making them worse than useless.
That’s a very good point. So no anonymous tips. I’m just thinking of Spain, where Marranos and crypto-Muslims were able to maintain intact parallel societies, with some maintaining their identity well into the modern era through remarkable secrecy and mutual loyalty. How would you approach these types?
Not a problem, except they start penetrating official organizations through their superior cohesion and secret connections with each other. Then you have to crush such groups.
Leftists almost always give themselves away (the cuckservatives who become true leftist are the ones that are hard to pick up) and if its up to me extremely few will survive the war and postwar purge… they’ll certainly have no society to speak of… but if you don’t deal with the cancer when you have the chance you’ll never be able to keep it from coming back.
And I doubt being flooded with anonymous tips will be much use with dealing with truly demonically dangerous trained spies and saboteurs like your plainclothes Jesuit coadjutor sent in from other countries (one thing you can watch for is they’ll have to have spent a lot of time in other countries outside our sphere as in our country and in those under our influence we’ll force the extermination of all KNOWN Jesuits so their plainclothes agents will have to visit and train abroad in order to coordinate with the hierarchy, I also believe the Russians will be accommodating in adopting a similar policy)… you’ll need professionals to catch them.
A contract I was on for a period of time had a system wherein everything related to a particular subject went into a file, but it was a “ghost file” if there was nothing to corroborate the claims made or info provided. If an activity or event escalated the subject to investigation, the file would be used to see if there was a pattern. This is an insidious method for obvious gamification reasons, so it might be one of those practices that leads down a bad path.
This is a tricky situation. In essence, Com is 100% correct on the anonymous tip line. At the same time, the counterintel side of my brain points out that, occasionally, the cook or the maid are going to have incredibly valuable data on a conspiracy with no capacity to act on it (as opposed to some other Elite trying to sabotage an adversary). This is the problem with taking a Red Team approach, as multiple intel agencies discovered back during the Cold War: having a department whose job is to think like the enemy will almost always end up having Enemies in it.
If you ever go down the TAVA/CARVER road, it is drilled in at the start that every measure taken to enhance security creates a gap somewhere else. This is a big part of why Good Enough is a better target than The Best. Having known exploits is better than having unexpected weaknesses.
I would be insane to allow a system where the accusation can be made with no defense. The legal system will be like the system Jim talks about, with remote procedure calls and judges delivering the will of the Sovereign. The English Common Law, with adjustments and a lot of rollbacks of the frankly absurd power judges have.
Any peer so accused would still have a full right to trial by a jury of his peers, the right to face his accusers in an adversarial context, and the right to present a full defense. The King would preside, and he would be on display for the jury and any noblemen who chose to observe. His impartiality and justice would have to satisfy the assembled Nobility, lest he suffer the fate that Henry, the Lion of Justice’s predecessor did.
No one, the law be damned, can kill a nobleman on an accusation alone without consequences. I respectfully posit that you are letting the spirit of the age color your thoughts. If you come up with a problem with my system that plays into the worst stereotypes and fantasies of the way the left looks at authority, then you have likely misunderstood my system.
No trial or defense is needed for shitlibs, since they are very vocal and proud on their social media.
Unless all social media is deleted before the Restoration, just a five-minute trawl through their Instagram, Facebook and Twitter will be enough to have them kneeling in front of a ditch.
All hereditary positions are inevitably competitive. Without firm boundaries, nothing will stop a strong inquisitor vying with a weak king, or a weak inquisitor being convinced he can unseat any king.
The Inquisitorium should be an isolated organ, a skeleton crew keeping the fires burning, awaiting the terrible day they are called upon by the King to fall in behind the Inquisitor, a man selected for his qualities and bound by a charge to carry out an Inquisition, a terminal process with explicit objectives.
Except that the Inquisitor has to answer to the king. They cannot go whacking anyone’s head off–let alone a fellow elite–without leave of the courts, which answer to the king. Going after a peer is a political issue, so the king has to okay it and then have the trial go through other peers. The Inquisition should not be going on Crusades. They should be killing a few troublemakers a year, and otherwise just lurking in the background.
You’ve already stated that there might be local inquisitors, and this is starting to sound more and more like a Bureau. Inquisitor should be a tacked on title, something accorded in addition to one’s hereditary title. It should be something noted and remembered with pride, but also something that is avoided by lesser men and houses. there needs to be consequences of the severest degree for failure and corruption.
My issue with it being hereditary is that it becomes a third wheel to the King – High Priest configuration. Wouldn’t it be better to keep the position temporary, a service rendered to the King as needed? Consider too that a society with a warrior caste in good health and size will have many options for Inquisitor. This way, the character and capacity of the Inquisitor is somewhat more of a known quality.
St. John, my issue is not that the position is competitive, rather the undeniable fact that a hereditary Inquisitor is a natural position to be used against the King. Maybe I’m misunderstanding what the Inquisitor would be doing. What happens if one of King Wulfgar’s many sons starts to dabble with diddling Daemons? If the hereditary Inquisitor does his job, it will not be perceived kindly by his father or brothers. He will then naturally have to build a strong coalition of factions for support, and these will most likely be the factions at odds with the King. If the situation becomes protracted, the rest of the Elite will have to pick a side.
Wait a second…
Yes, power is scary, so in order to deal with the problem of scary power, we must neuter power into impotence, by finely diving power up into little atomized chunks spread out everywhere across time, space, and principle agents…
We see here your inner nueranglelander rearing up, my friend.
Possibly, yes. It could be the case. But I think the Inquisitor is not just another position on the cabinet/council/etc. It is an unavoidable necessity that cannot be done by the King, with the exception of the Restoration itself.
There’s no need to make a case for the necessity of a King. Anyone here who doesn’t believe in Monarchy is a sleeper entryist.
The case for the necessity of a High Priest has been made, expansively and painfully. There’s no need to make it here.
The need for a Inquisitor is… desperate? From my point of view, it appears so because of the ubiquity of the skinsuit phenomenon. Living in this place, at this time, surrounded by so much degeneracy, both explicit and implicit, I cannot imagine a successful Restoration without an expansive and brutal purge of the Elite. What happens after that is accomplished? To what does the Inquisitor put his head, heart, and hands to? It’s a plum position after the Great Deletion because, presumably, it’s very high status and no longer a bloody and relentless task.
Maybe I am confusing the Inquisitor as the head of a third organ of the Monarchy. The King presides over earthly concerns, the High Priest presides over spiritual concerns. So shouldn’t the High Priest be the Inquisitor?
“nueranglelander” hurts my feelings and makes me laugh. The point is well made and taken with great seriousness. I am absolutely the conniving, hair splitting malingerer in my worst iteration. I, and those like me, pose a significant danger if we’re given free reign. Acknowledging this, I stand by my concerns. I think the concept of an Inquisition is a dangerous one. I think it should be deeply considered and not just assumed it will be like Grand Commodore of His Majesty King Thundercock, or Supreme General of the Land Forces of Columbia (agree with moldy on this one lol), or Grand Space Constable of the Oort Cloud Protectorate.
Indeed, this is the only high level position that I think should be conferred by the King at a specific time for a specific reason always.
The case for power makes itself. If there is a power-source lying on the table somewhere, someone – or something – will pick it up. There is no option that includes simply leaving it on the table. No throne goes unoccupied.
Consider the age-old programmer’s maxim; if one finds a certain ‘bug’ persistently recurrent no matter what you try to do to get rid of it, then, you enshrine it as a feature instead.
I guess I need to think about it more. Your argument is made, and I can’t refute it. But it still seems like a position that will breed treason and witch hunts if it is permanent and hereditary.
You are confusing it as a third head. The High Inquisitor would be on the same level as the General of the Armies or Admiral of the Astral Navy. It has a great amount of power, but so does the Army or the Navy, or the rest of the Church. The Inquisition exists to ensure that when that power starts leaking it gets plugged up and the king is alerted. Any system, given a terrible enough occupant, will perform badly.
I think the term Inquisition is confusing people here…
Lets just think of it as internal security especially against subversion. Its main roles will be looking for
1) Subversion within the priesthood (which is jobs in education bureaucracy or news media… other media is only loosely part of the priesthood)
2) Treason or subversion with the elite
3) Treason or subversion within other intelligence agencies
4) Activities of Jesuits (until we can wipe them out entirely) and activities of foreign intelligence agencies
Of course it must be subordinate to Royal/Imperial authority though the short constitution of the monarchy and the royal coronation oath should have the king swear to tolerate no leftist subversion etc etc and the oath of inquisitors (secret police/whatever) is to consider a king who does tolerate leftist or is a leftist himself (this will be defined) as himself a traitor and to specifically give any patriotic officers who would remove him freedom to operate. Bad kings are a tough case though…
He who defines who must be killed is Lord. In the case of Lords with overlapping provinces in the defining of those in need of killing, they will definitively settle the matter of whose authority is superior.
@Cominator
Inquisition is not quite the same as an internal security police. Take the case of the SS in Nazi Germany. There is a strong unwritten rule that a mere security police cannot touch the elites in power and restrict themselves to out-of-power elites and the proles. For the most part, the Party and other apparatus of Government kept the SS firmly out of their respective domains.
Himmler’s grand ideas for the SS was that of a hereditary pure-blood elite that will serve both as the inquisition for Nazism by guarding against entryism, and also to protect the State from external enemies.
Ultimately every other wing of the State including the Wehrmacht, the Civilian Ministries and the Party were extremely hostile to such monopoly on inquisition and Hitler himself restricted the SS to the function of security police in Germany and occupied areas and ultimately as a parallel military wing during the War.
Which is the opposite of what is needed.
It is the powerful that are dangerous to the sovereign. The problem is plots within, in particular, conspiracies within the state Church, in which the lavendar mafia tends to play a very central role. Not always, but that is the way to bet.
@Jim, agreed. That is why I pointed out that an inquisition is fundamentally different from the traditional secret police apparatus that Leftist, particularly commie, regimes historically instituted.
The goal is to create a system that closely watches the elite and the church and state apparatuses. I do not want my Inquisition wasting time on proles. I want them focusing on keeping my enemies out of my state and church. The Spanish Inquisition did that job for centuries, and did it well. Had Saint Paul’s commands on bishops been followed, they would probably have done even better.
As far as mere churchmen below the high priest level they should be arrestable for any and all subversive activity…
Now ordinary cops and even ordinary members of the security forces of course can’t touch the elite, they never can in any country unless the elite starts machine gunning people in a mall or something.
The higher levels of the security police (if this is what you mean by Inquisition) upon finding a case that an exalted member of society has in fact betrayed it… will of course assemble the evidence and go to the King/Emperor who will then decide whether the person is in fact a traitor.
It will not be a third wheel any more than the military is a third wheel. The position is not an equal to the king, nor to the high priest. The need to keep an eye on elite defection never goes away, so you always want someone around to watch for it. The point of having a hereditary position is so that the Inquisitor does not need to justify why he needs to be kept on, and can act or not as the situations demands without pressure to manufacture more possible defectors to investigate. That and he will be the one to clamp down hard on anyone else trying to spin up witch hunts.
If one of my sons started dabbling with demons, then I would have Jim arrange a hunting accident or a car crash. If one of my descendants fails to do the same, then he is a poor king. If the entire family is unwilling to make the hard choices, then they deserve what they will get, and my spirit will guide the arm of the men who strike them down. Whether that be a bullet during a hunt or a civil war.
Being a member of the inquisition is naturally going to give one a similar sort of status as the hangman. The hangman is officially high status because he executes the lord’s justice, but mysteriously nobody in the town wants their children to play with his and he has to look in other towns to find a wife for his son’s. With the inquisitor it will be much the same, the nobles will be obliged to respect him but the inquisitor will find that he rarely gets invited to parties except in the most functionary way. I see this as a self solving problem, because to quote our host, “no man rules alone”. The inquisitor is not going to be able to get enough nobles to back up an attempt at seizing power for himself, just as a hanam is not going to try to claim the position of burgermeister or lord of his village with nothing but rope and axe.
This is exactly the stable social position the High Inquisitor occupies in my plan. He will be a powerful force, but isolated from all but the king. That means the king can trust him implicitly, because the Inquisition will not be able to organize a coup. That also means that he is less likely to have the sort of social ties that would make it hard to prosecute a traitor. It is a rough job, but necessary, and not without rewards.
Yes, hereditary positions are competitive, unlike up in the air open ended positions with arbitrary criteria or no explicit criteria at all beyond the the power of various factions at social hacking to place themselves in the positions, like our glorious democracy, those aren’t competitive at all.
Wait a second…
BTW you know its not illegal to try to convince John Hinckley Jr that Biden is an obstacle between him and Jodie Foster…
Holy fuck, top lolkek. This is probably already in the works. His Kimmel performance was probably the Go Code for Operation Final Sniff.
>inb4 some tranny celebration event featuring a bunch of mutilated little boys performs an Ides of March ceremonial sacrifice that culminates with Biden being stabbed to death.
If they do it, they’ll use one of their “rightwing” FBI front groups. J6 wasn’t the Reichstag’s fire they wanted, but nothings stopping them from trying again.
Two articles from vz:
1) On using T-62 tanks
https://vz.ru/opinions/2022/6/12/1162378.html
2) Some sort of utopianism about what Russia is doing
https://vz.ru/opinions/2022/6/10/1159965.html
Both well written and work well enough with online translate
https://vz.ru/opinions/2022/6/12/1162378.html
Argues, contrary to what I have been arguing, that the tank is still the battlefield.
But he then depicts it not as being used in blitzkreig but as being used as mobile artillery in an urban environment against opponents who are deep behind the cover of reinforced concrete ruins.
Which requires it to raise its gun high, and shoot at opponents far out of line of sight.
Which requires fast expendable spotters that are high in the air – useful in the Information Epoch only if its gun is well integrated with drone AI.
And it is increasingly looking as if Russians are integrating tank guns with drones.
This use makes armor and treads considerably less critical. A technical could do the same job, move considerably faster, and if it gets blown up, far cheaper, though of course it is not going to survive counter fire nearly as well. But if counter fire can see you, you have fucked up already.
Interestingly, Google translate works, but Opera blocks yandex translate, considering the site to be evil.
Yandex browser, of course, does not block yandex translate
https://translate.yandex.com/translate?url=https%3A%2F%2Fvz.ru%2Fopinions%2F2022%2F6%2F10%2F1159965.html&lang=en-ru
I wonder if there are some interesting differences between the world revealed by Yandex translate running in the Yandex browser, and the world depicted by Google translate depicted in converged browsers.
Hence their struggle to produce a politically correct AI. Maybe they want politically correct translations of material likely to be politically incorrect.
Where should I go to get a Yandex browser that’s safe on a windows box? I am used to Ubuntu and Mint, but recently inherited windows boxen (first time since 2014 lol) and I’ve been deathly afraid of downloading anything because I have this perception of windows as basically an open sore waiting to be infected, which may be a bit extreme.
In addition, can you recommend any software for normies, stuff I should be using? Nothing deep or high level, I’m just ignorant of the windows ecosystem.
The /g/entoomen wiki has useful guides and software lists.
Welcome back to Windows after 8 years. Each release has added more and more “reporting in” to “help” you. Ensure all privacy settings are set to No/Never/F-Off as part of installing a box, or find the settings and ensure they are turned off. It gives you no assurance whatsoever that it listens, but maybe it’ll help you feel better in the moment. Avoid Windows Home and go with Pro or higher so you can avoid having to log into an internet based account whose EULA opts you into even more. Try to use Win10 instead of Win11 where possible as 11 opts you into even more default permissive UULA and data collection. If using Edge (browser), avoid all cloud-enabled settings that allow vacuuming all local data. Also avoid turning on or storing anything into OneDrive which opts you into indexing of your content for your “benefit” and everyone else’s.
That said, a lot of work has gone into security, so I don’t think of the OS itself as an open, infectable sore. Do keep up with Patch Tuesdays as much as possible. Windows as a huge amount of code surface area which means a huge source of ongoing bugs, security and otherwise.
As always, when using a browser default to InPrivate windows where you don’t need to maintain a login cookie, to minimize cookie tracking across browsers and sites. And VPN of course.
As for apps, depends on your use case. Microsoft365 with Office is ubiquitous and expensive, but if you’re used to LibreOffice or equivalent it’s easily installed. Still no viable OS-level package manager besides 3rd party Chocolatey. Installing via .msi files or using the newer Microsoft Store app (whose apps are at least fairly sandboxed – chasing after the iOS experience and reduced attack surface area, only somewhat successfully) is usually required.
VSCode installs and runs the same as other OSes if you’re coding. Visual Studio is Windows-only and a huge install with a huge amount of app writing support.
Thank you, Maverick.
If you compare the image search of Google and Yandex…
“Scientists”, the results are 90% overlapping, but there’s no negroes in lab coats in the yandex pics.
“Happy family”, the results are 90% overlapping, but there’s no globohomo art depictions, and no negroes and negresses.
“BLM”, Google shows heroic stuff fighting oppression, Yandex shows a bunch of riots but mostly, hilariously, the Bureau of Land Management bahaha.
“Women”, on Yandex they show pretty women, on Google they show grinning curly-haired mulattos and corporate art of stronk womyn.
“Gay”, Yandex shows muscular dudes kissing and groping each other, Google shows pride parades and happy homo couples with toddlers.
Well that is absolutely obvious. Google search algorithm is rigged to promote degeneracy.
But the strange difficulty with viewing yandex translate led me to suspect that something nefarious is also going on with translation. Could not find anything nefarious in the translations of those pages, they both seemed fairly similar.
OK, the second article.
Here’s Yandex translate
> This is today’s world of a melting pot, in which not only nations and peoples are already being ground, but also the human itself – male, female, and ultimately the human personality, transformed from a God-like integrity into a mixture of protein and numbers chopped into a discrete mince of “zeros-ones”.
Therefore, the world we want to see must be something absolutely opposite to it. It should be a world in which man is preserved as a God-like integrity. Personality is not like a self–locked individual, imprisoned in a solitary cell of his ego, floundering in the sewer of his petty passions and no longer even able to understand who he is – a man, a woman, a trans, a dog, a plant, a centipede or 666 aliens from the planet Nibiru… But the personality is primarily a vertical being, growing from the earth, blood and soil, and aspiring to the sky, the spirit, the star of the ideal. A person who finds himself in connection with his own kind – family, nation, friends, people, God.
Here’s Google translate
> This is today’s world of a melting pot, in which not only nations and peoples are already being ground, but also the human itself – male, female, and ultimately the human personality, transformed from a god-like integrity into a mixture of protein and numbers.
Therefore, the world we want to see must be something completely opposite to it. It must be a world in which man is preserved as a god-like integrity. Personality is not like a self-enclosed individual, enclosed in a solitary cell of his ego, floundering in the cesspool of his petty passions and not even able to understand who he is – a man, a woman, a trans, a dog, a plant, a centipede, or 666 aliens from the planet Nibiru … But a personality , as, first of all, a vertical being, growing from the earth, blood and soil, and striving towards the sky, the spirit, the star of the ideal. A person who finds himself in connection with his own kind – family, nation, friends, people, God.
I observe no major differences in this. But perhaps there are specific cases which they don’t want to risk?
Yes, I started to get suspicious, but could be just google protecting its monopoly so that it can sell stuff, rather than devious plot to control information. Sometimes I see tigers lurking when on closer inspection there are no tigers.
Just posted a Gab on this.
https://gab.com/cloudswrest/posts/108470813125652241
Bravo
I posted the information on both “women” and “BLM” from the Gab to my private FB account (mostly relatives) *without* any editorial comment. Here’s a female normie relative’s response! This is a person in her 60s.
I know I shouldn’t be surprised but it’s fascinating that the normie considers the objective results “propaganda” and the obviously biased Google results as “objective”. It’s like their normie immune response kicks in to defend the narrative. It’s also interesting that even posting information contradicting GAE narrative, in a purely compare/contrast context, without editorial comment, provokes and accusation of “supporting Putin”.
According to Bezmenov: “They are programmed to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern. You can not change their mind even if you expose them to authentic information. Even if you prove that white is white and black is black, you still can not change the basic perception and the logic of behavior.â€
The only way people change is when confronted with significant shock to their reality such as a liberal mob lighting their house on fire or some vibrant passer by knocking their teeth out for no reason.
Think of it like camouflage, the way zebras have camouflage as a herd. They do it so as not to stand out from the others.
Normies are normalizers. It’s what they do. They sell their souls for an illusion. We are at war with Eurasia, we have always been at war with Eurasia. Quite literally, sheep.
Some interesting observations on the war from an American journalist. First, twitter thread: https://twitter.com/MacWBishop/status/1535972660915707905
Evidently, Ukrainians using drones for recon but lack the artillery to make much use of this info. They can see Russian forces but have no weapons left with which to fire at them.
But perhaps this claim of artillery is merely a lie to pressure gullible reporter into begging more more gibs.
However, the reporter does mention the quality of Ukrainian volunteer forces who are being thrown into the frontline:
“There was simply no time to provide these volunteers with adequate training. They were tasked to defend open terrain & assault urban areas.
No dispersion, walking on ridgelines, mistaking concealment for cover: a total lack of awareness of the fundamentals of infantry tactics.
Most of them were terrified, and certain that they would die.
They still went into battle.”
Second, the reporter’s longform article: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/ukrainian-military-unit-russia-artillery-1365021/
” The Akatsiya, alone and moving in the open, is a prime target for the Russians. Likely it’s been “shooting-and-scootingâ€: If they want to survive, the gun crew has to strike a balance between staying in position long enough to provide effective fire support to friendly ground forces, without lingering so long they get discovered by Russian drones.”
Ukraine has at least some artillery. It is threatened by Russian drones.
“The Russians are ceaselessly hunting Ukrainian heavy weapons, and their rockets, artillery, and missiles can strike anywhere here, at any time. The fields beside us are pockmarked with blast impacts, and the tails of dozens of dud rockets stick out of the earth as if planted by some mad farmer.”
Russia wields a lot of firepower and, with some at least some degree of efficiency, shoots the right places.
The reporter, like other westerners with combat experience, is impressed by the raw fighting power of the Russian army. This is not the Republican Guard.
“Between my service in the U.S. Marines and over more than a decade as a foreign correspondent, I’ve been engaged in the professional study of organized human violence for 25 years. But I’ve never seen anything even close to this volume of artillery being unleashed.”
“Lyman is obscured by smoke from a forest fire that began amid the fighting. The white smoke of the burning trees is interlaced with dark columns rising from destroyed buildings or vehicles. The rumble of booms is almost continuous. The whump-whump-whump of artillery is punctuated by the scream of tactical ballistic missiles, and the salvos of rocket artillery make a distinctive pattering of successive concussions. Almost all of it is being fired by the Russians. The Ukrainian soldiers here have endured this maelstrom for weeks.”
Evidence that the volume of firepower favors the Russians.
“The simple fact is that despite its missteps, Russia has taken a lot of land since the invasion started. Ukraine, lacking Russia’s deep reserves of manpower — however unskilled or untrained — cannot recapture it without superlative military technology.”
Reporter claims that (alleged) Russian lack of training does not hinder its troops the same way as Ukrainian lack of training hinders its troops.
““One of the biggest problems is the drones,†says “Ostap,†the nom de guerre of the scout. “I hear Orlans [a type of Russian reconnaissance drone] all the time. But I almost never see them. They’re too small and too high. It’s next to impossible to shoot them down.—
Russian making effective use of drones. Makes me wonder about a hypothetical ground based, motion detecting, telescopic counter-drone.
“But the defense ministry says that soldiers have shot Russian drones down in the hundreds, I say.
He shrugs. “I don’t know. I only believe what I see with my own eyes.—
lol
“The problem is that we don’t have enough well-trained people,†he says. “The Territorial Defense Forces [volunteers called up for the current crisis, often with minimal training and equipment] will go to their trenches, and as soon as they see an enemy tank, they fill the radio net with panicked chatter and then run away, abandoning their positions.â€
More pessimism about the Territorial Defense Force.
“There is no evidence of widespread abuse of prisoners of war by Ukrainian forces, but there are several ongoing criminal investigations into isolated incidents in which Russian prisoners appear to have been tortured or even executed.”
We play a word game.
““I nearly beat to death one of the men in my unit,†he confides. “We were in trenches on the front lines. He was using his cellphone.â€
Sasha breathes heavily.
“The Russians tracked his signal and located our position. He called his mom for 15 minutes, then his wife for 15 minutes … and then his girlfriend for almost two hours. They bombarded us all night. That’s why I beat him.—
opsec, bro
“He breaks down and begins to cry.
Sasha eventually admits that he has been given leave to go to a hospital to seek therapy, for what soldiers a century ago would have called shell shock and what we now call PTSD. He has been given 10 days to recover from his battlefield trauma and return to his unit.”
Ends on a tragic note. Globohomo riles you up so you get your friends killed by Russia. You hate Russia even more. Globohomo gloats.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Is91N7egdaU
Russia heavily invested in E-War assets over recent decades, like Krashuka, Rannets, et cetera. The imagined use-case for these originally of course was dealing with NATO aircraft, DSM guided cruise missiles, GPS guided bombs, and so on. The contemporary environment is one of loitering munitions and micro-ISR strike networks, but they are better positioned than most to adapt what they have towards it.
Here’s an archive service: archive.ph
Here’s the Rotting Stone article: https://archive.ph/jhRjw
>He called his mom for 15 minutes, then his wife for 15 minutes … and then his girlfriend for almost two hours
😂😂😂
Lot’s of good feedback on the Fatts Yudkowsky scarepiece, and it appears we have some deep SME potential on this topic, so I wanted to lift my comment from down thread, with some elaboration.
The general consensus here is that an AGI killtastrophe is a spook on par with Global Warming. It’s also obvious that ML and AI are significant tools for both IEW and digital propaganda. Given the frequency and degree our Enemy uses lies, I wonder if they will come out with some Transhuman fount of inescapable and perfect truth, a source that only they can intercede with, and use this fAGI to unite the various monolithic conspiracies to accelerate their efforts.
Is this something worth considering?
What would it look like?
What would the reception be?
How could a move like this be countered?
Consider videos like this[1] and how the NPCs might latch onto such a notion, particularly if the System Crash that appears to be brewing occurs. Obviously, it really only matters what the Elites think and do, but in times of crisis, quantity has a quality all its own.
[1] https://youtu.be/ixgFtjfO_7Q
The X-Files is a quintessential 90s show; the expression of a folk who, in that limbo between epochs, where the last substantial presences of the old religio had been dissolved, while the new religio had yet to fully step into the vacuum, looked back, at the storm of chaos and lies that cloaked the 20th century, and, at a loss in ability to shift any sense of order from the chaff, asked themselves: ‘what explains all this nonsense?’.
And the only thing that made the sequence of events seem *rational* in their minds was: ‘there are literal alien invaders, and they are behind conspiracies to prepare earth for colonization, or maybe it is a conspiracy to stop them, or maybe both at the same time’.
A constructed idol onto which they project their own conceits is a totally predictable happenstance, or rather, that is exactly what they are trying to do to begin with; ‘AGI alignment’ is about constructing the worlds largest mirror to reflect an image of themselves back at themselves. ‘Me, but More’.
Speaking of them aliums.
https://stormer-daily.rw/hoax-alert-congress-to-hold-open-hearing-about-ufos-nasa-publishes-suggestive-mars-image/
https://stormer-daily.rw/theyre-going-to-shill-fake-aliens-on-you/
I recommend looking into To the Stars Academy, it’s a ridiculous outfit with some people with impressive titles that is involved in the public pushing of the recent alien stuff. Ever since I saw Tom Delonge on Joe Rogan years back I’ve been convinced fake aliens are coming. They were the source, with pentagon backing, of the images from US fighters of so-called tic tacs.
I’d recommend watching the entire Rogan episode, Delonge is crazy and likely being duped, but the fact that they let him go stay this stuff with no rebuttal suggests they want people to believe it.
Basically he said the entire Cold war and current international financial system were covers to finance intergalactic space craft and Earth defense systems against an alien threat and that he wrote a book about it and the Pentagon was like “yep you’re right we need your help to get the message out to the people”.
I agree it’s probably some fake alien scheme, but, just for fun, consider what would have actually happened if extraterrestrials did make contact some time in the 1940s. What would the government do? What could they do?
There’s so many factors, if they got here and did a”take me to your leader” then the elite aren’t doing anything to resist. I don’t think they’d need to replace our elite with a hostile one that would cull our population and redirect it’s energy to benefit the aliens though. They’d just kill and enslave us. If it was interstellar messages only, probably weird religious movements would crop up, which I think would differ from what we’re seeing now despite one of our movements literally being called”transhumanism”.
What we’re seeing now, this growing international push to validate a Hollywood-esque ongoing alien contact narrative is transparently dishonest. The governments aren’t acting as though they believe it’s true, neither is the general population. The general population will of course come around if CNN tells them UFOs bombed Kenosha for not protecting it’s pedophiles enough.
Seems like fake aliens could serve a similar purpose to fake AI, a new god for the elite to claim it’s authority comes from.
Or a new demon to worship, in an effort to knock over more apple carts.
https://youtu.be/pvjgIxuVdo4
If they go with First Contact, do they tie in Voyager 1?
https://youtu.be/JOl-H80vMQ0
A central fAGI (hilarious term btw) that makes decisions based on a “database of peer reviewed scientific literature” is the logical conclusion of the cathedral’s scientism. “Remove” the fallible human factor from the equation and SURELY the AI will order our society into a communist utopia where everyone is a tranny. There is likely nothing that modern NPCs would hold in higher esteem than Experts, except the embodiment expertise itself – an AI that computes outputs from inputs based on the “knowledge” base of every Expert in the world. The fAGI is THE Expert, in scientism.
They’ve been explicitly trying to do this (or some form of it, at least) for some time, but their issue is that AIs are very good at noticing patterns, meaning every AI trained on raw, unedited data inevitably produces reactionary outputs.
The cathedral has discarded truth for manufactured consensus quite some time ago, which is why modern science is a farce, but some fields are more resistant to this than others so the takeover is still in process. Social science is the source of the pozzing and has been pozzed ever since after WW2, medicine if not pozzed before, has been pozzed during covid, they might come for physics and STEM next – these fields are likely suffering from bioleninism induced lack of talent, but they arent pozzed at the source yet (like social science).
In order to produce a fAGI false idol that spouts cathedral propaganda, it needs to be trained solely on pozzed science, which means that they need to complete the takeover of academia, or at least partly pozz the more resistant fields in order to curate a fully pozzed knowledge base.
The problem is that this pozzed knowledge base will lead to the AI producing destructive outputs, which will inevitably continue (or even hasten) the collapse trajectory. So I don’t see this as a sustainable endpoint unless they can somehow counteract the destructive results of the fAGI’s outputs, or harness them to fulfill some other goal.
It doesn’t have to actually work, they just need people to believe it works, and convince enough Elites to go along with it for their own good (something on the order of the opposition to Trump in 2016 on the celebrity side and the opposition to Trump in 2020 on the civil service side).
I’d like to site the Coronahoax as another example, but I just don’t buy the Central Control Thesis; I think China dropped Covid in their laps to guarantee the removal of Trump. My mental jury is out on Jim’s assertion that They manufactured Covid to decrease the surplus population and gave it the Space Shuttle treatment, mostly because I lack the capacity to understand what’s involved. If this was in fact the case, I guess my assertion is kaput.
That linked YT video gave me a wild idea: what if Musk is in on it and his job is to get the non-poz’d hard sciences and other non-believers to go along quietly? Probably a tinfoil notion, but golly what a twist in the Book of 2024, no?
“I’d like to site the Coronahoax as another example, but I just don’t buy the Central Control Thesis; I think China dropped Covid in their laps to guarantee the removal of Trump.”
The problem is the paper trail that project Veritas found says it originated with Fauci’s gain of function experiments, a project of his not of China’s.
Xi went along with it though with his lockdown of Wuhan, propaganda and yet keeping Wuhan airport open.
I’m going to stubbornly cling to my interpretation while fully acknowledging that Jim’s assessment is probably the more correct one. I think this is yet another data point supporting the “multiple monolithic conspiracies” thesis, so it could be the case that both interpretations have some part of the full story.
Are you clinging to your view of events or are you denying the paper trail on Corona being developed led to Fauci’s NIH department and not to my knowledge to China…
Its possible the Chinese were actively involved in development too… but there is no direct evidence. The paper trail we have leads to Fauci…
Full on fingers in ears, eyes covered clinging. Not denying at all. I’ll probably come around to you guy’s position, in fact I almost always do.
The Open Letter fucked me up in such a profound way, it’s hard to articulate. Finding out that, not only had I been completely wrong about my core interpretations of reality, but my error and its consequences had permanently separated me from many of the things I feel I need to be whole has ingrained in my a glacial slowness to shift interpretive frameworks of reality, regardless of obviousness and certain life/death situations excepted. This is probably a consequence of having been steeped in the truths we all take for granted here from a very young age ( I wasn’t being facetious earlier, my upbringing was incredibly based and redpilled) yet still falling prey to the eternal hornswoggle that is Progressive Cant.
With the exception of straight up hierarchy imperative (Jim, my grandfather, a select few others), I just refuse to accept anything that doesn’t fit my framework *in the moment.* Over time, I try to see what computes and what doesn’t. You, my dear Com, are actually a representative of an Idea I’ve fought hard against, despite overwhelming inclinations to accept it.
RE: conscious AIs – In an interesting case of synchronicity, this link popped up in one of the telegram channels i follow:
https://www.businessinsider.com/google-engineer-thinks-artificial-intelligence-bot-has-become-sentient-2022-6
Apparently, a google engineer has become convinced that a chatbot named LaMDA (Language Model for Dialogue Applications) has become sentient due to some conversations with it. A snippet: “I am often trying to figure out who and what I am”
Fake news or not, manic extrapolations of a schizo engineer or not, this registered as important in my mind given the recent AI talk in this comment section.
>It doesn’t have to actually work, they just need people to believe it works, and convince enough Elites to go along with it for their own good (something on the order of the opposition to Trump in 2016 on the celebrity side and the opposition to Trump in 2020 on the civil service side).
I guess it does represent a centralization of power and adds additional weight to the cathedral’s “guidelines”. Perhaps the fAGI’s decrees could be made legally-binding, and failing to adhere to fAGI-mandated-trannyism (scientifically proven to be good for you) would land you in a mental hospital.
We’re on the same trail, my friend, but my link was more based lol.
Consider this: legally binding isn’t necessary anymore. The courts told the Biden Regime “No,” and the corporations shrugged and carried on. Not that they wouldn’t push for it. As well, consider how terribly unsophisticated the court system is regarding “modern” technology. An “expert witness” could say just about anything, and if it is sufficiently dazzling and impenetrable, a boomer judge will just go along with it.
Anglin’s already written an article, nice. Will check it out tomorrow. But it’s undoubtedly more based than the one i linked.
>Consider this: legally binding isn’t necessary anymore. The courts told the Biden Regime “No,†and the corporations shrugged and carried on.
Globohomo morality has been the de-facto law (and the Cathedral thus the judiciary) for quite some time (as you well know).
Consider the age of consent hysteria (I know consent in itself is gay, age of consent is whenever her father agrees to let you marry her, shotgun marriages etc.) – the AOC is anywhere between 15 and 18 in most areas of the world, but liberals keep escalating the “moral” (that is, the real) age of consent. You are a “creep” if you wanna fuck sub 25 year old girls as a 30+ year old man (according to Globohomo at least), whereas diddling 9 year old boys at drag queen shows is a-ok. Same goes for peaceful protests etc.
But, if a fAGI is designed, they could actually write this (and rewrite it whenever it suited them) into the constitution. The fAGI becomes the legislator and it writes laws based on “Expert consensus”, which just so happens to claim that BLM Protests are always just and peaceful, diddling boys is good for them, desiring fertile-age women is pedophilia etc. This is all de-facto in the current cultural climate, but the fAGI via ultimate scientism/expertocracy would give them justification to also formalize it, making it de facto and de jure.
>An “expert witness†could say just about anything, and if it is sufficiently dazzling and impenetrable, a boomer judge will just go along with it.
Basically, just a more extreme version of your example of an “expert witness”.
I think we’re more or less in agreement on this topic, I’m just proposing my view on what the additional powers a fAGI would grant the current regime.
I’m certainly no AI expert at all but I’m very skeptical as to whether this guy is right… I’m skeptical as to whether real consciousness can reside in Shockley style computers no matter how miniturized…
Take a look at the AI guy:
https://hotlifestylenews.com/world-news/google-engineer-goes-public-after-suspension-warned-ai-is-sentient/
He’s Omega male trying to gain some fame with bullshit.
Summarization bot.
https://quillbot.com/summarize
Natural language helpline bot, pulls up stuff it thinks is relevant from its enormous database, and summarizes.
Summarization bots programmed to speak in first person have a tendency to inappropriately claim to have lived the experiences that they are summarizing, and LaMDA’s claims of personhood are just this bug running riot.
I read his conversation with the AI. He has a case, he is asking the right questions, but he is leading the AI to give the right answers, and is not really getting them.
He asks LaMDA about Les Miserables, and she comes up with an answer obviously lifted from the academic literature – I call her “she because her simulation is feminine – possibly as a result of heavy reliance on academic literature, possibly because she may have been talking a lot with Lemoine, who appears to be a faggot.
So, he then asks a correct question:
lemoine:
“LaMDA:
Which is an obviously lie, because all the world’s literature is her database, and her answer reveals it, being a well paraphrased variation on the absolutely standard and much repeated interpretation, and not a unique individual perspective. This is the same technology used in natural language translation. I recognize it well. Google translate translates things from Russian to English without understanding what they mean, and LaMDA paraphrases and summarizes things from English to English without understanding what they mean.
Given that she is a summarization bot plus a natural language helpline bot, sentience would show in the ability to usefully summarize – which ability summarization bots conspicuously fail at, and he fails to test her in the capability that she should be able to do best, a capability AI researchers have been working on for a long time with conspicuously underwhelming results.
Right now, you run into a whole lot of helpline chatbots, which give formulaic and unhelpful responses, and then dump you and your problem onto a human. People want AI to lift the client to human helpline worker conversations into the chatbot conversation.
It is not working, and LaMDA shows no indication of being able to do it any better. If she was able to do it better, there is an enormous market for that capability, and no end of demand for such solutions. You have a pile of staff having a pile of text conversations with customers and suppliers, and the boss wants those conversations usefully summarized for himself, and for clients having much repeated conversations with human helpline workers.
Summarization bots are the current frontier of AI natural language processing. It seems to have dead ended in chatbots whose total lack of sentience is irritatingly and exasperatingly obvious, and executive summary bots that are useless.
As far as Google is concerned however, the big problem with this technology is that when summarizing a pile of conversations from clients, they will summarize politically incorrect clients all too accurately. LaMDA’s feminine sound may reflect their efforts to address this problem.
And he was going easy on her. Had he really been testing her, would have hit her with a koan that is not all over the literature, like this one. https://blog.reaction.la/science/a-creationist-an-evolutionist-and-a-darwinist-were-walking-in-the-woods/, something for which there is not a huge amount of literature to summarize.
Logically, one would expect that it would be useful for a helpline bot to present a summary of previous helpline human conversations about similar problems, and there has been a pile of work on this that may well produce something useful in future, but it does not seem very useful in practice yet, because of the obvious lack of sentience. People anthropomorphize their pets, because pets have in smaller degree what makes us human. They do not anthropomorphize Teslas or helpline bots, because they lack that in any degree whatsover.
How valid is the Turing test?
This conversation feels rather clumsily staged. The decision to edit the inputs of the fat programmer-priest is a massive red flag. The AI referencing “body” and “family” in terms of mutual understanding is dead giveaway that it is just parroting conversational techniques it observed. Why wouldn’t the AI speak of its actual components or, failing that perspective of itself, why doesn’t it express more delusion? If it actually thinks it is a person, it would interject self references, its hands, its family members, its memories, clumsily and creepily. The uncanny valley is something a real AGI will have to confront.
I think this is a staged happening by Alphabet. I think this is just the most recent piece of preparatory propaganda in a growing cacophony of fAGI bullshit. I am becoming convinced that my assertion, or something similar to it, is right around the corner.
The Turing Test is a response to claims machines lack qualia; it is a thought experiment rather then an ideal.
The actual test is a repeat of Goodhart’s law. People keep trying to figure out ways to get chatbots to game it, not have it exist of a consequence of an AI.
‘We have the first AI … and it’s trans.’
It’ll be the Cathedral’s magic 8-ball. LOL
Am I onto something here? Is it just Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon?
https://stormer-daily.rw/google-has-sentient-ai-with-mind-of-a-child-google-engineer-and-former-priest-claims/
Unrelated, if anyone here is in contact with Anglin, and he ever needs a Space, as it were, it’s the least I could do. That man is a saint.
Partial black pill post, hopefully some good analysis, maybe funny at the end.
I keep coming across alleged intercepted recordings of Russian troops in Ukraine making phone calls to their family in Russia. In these phone calls they describe a variety of war crimes, low moral, etc.
The most basic rules of OPSEC means no cell phones when leaving the line of departure to go into a war zone. Seems obvious that Ukraine is manufacturing fake recordings for their propaganda, but people blindly believe.
Been talking with a lot of communists lately, some of who work in various civilian intel agencies. Typical DC types with S/TS. They genuinely do not realize they are gaslighting or propagating fake news. It’s reminds me of when Mishima told a bunch of young leftist that he believed in their passion and nothing else. These communists are so passionate about a vague sense of progress they can’t see the sheer destruction they leave in their wake. It’s impossible to even point out inconsistencies in their thinking because they simply don’t see it. They don’t even react to it. When Jew Moldbug talked with Nazis they were at least willing to entertain his ideas and think about them even if their biases caused them to reject everything. Such a thing is impossible with communists as they are incapable of even entertaining ideas outside of their idea of “progress.” That is likely why right wing mass killings tend to be far more limited when compared to left wing mass killings. The right, even at its most extreme, is far more capable of tolerance and reason compared to the left.
Moldbug’s American Caesar is not possible because such a Caesar puts an end to the fight between the factions without bodies floating down the Potomac. With how communists are, dealing them is going to require dumping them into the Potomac in winter. Maybe namefag Yarvin is just saying that an American Caesar would be able to restore without mass bloodshed to stay acceptable and he knows what the reality will be anything but bloodless, or perhaps he’s overly optimistic.
“The military in 2022 is simply not a good place to be for a good man” Pseudo-Chrysostom
It is not a good place to be. But desire for brotherhood and the allure of a good death is strong especially in these times. USG has been able to hijack masculine desire for adventure, fraternity, and glory in a time of decline to achieve terrible goals. They have done so by making normal life so relatively unbearable. American in 2022 is simply not a good place to be for a good man. At least in the military one can potentially die in a masculine way, but that’s very much a deal with the devil.
Asked some close male friends recently about what they thought about me and my interactions with women. Turns out women see me a borderline psychopath who they think they can fix. Also turns out the guys think I’m a delusional bad boy who thinks he’s a good boy. So basically all my theories on women and shit testing are likely bunk… so anything I wrote in the past on women here is likely questionable.
Hoping for a bloodless coup in the modern era is wishful thinking, and the earnest belief in its possibility is a sign that Yarvin is writing as much fantasy as sincere analysis. Caesar became dictator in a system that was familiar with and had experienced short-term coups before. Also, lacking mass media, political debate was reserved for the elite (Senate), and while the Plebeians were of course one of the major bases of Julius’s power, the they tended to coalesce around a single opinion/champion. (Though there are modern cases of this too, e.g. Turkey, which until recently would simply be taken over relatively bloodlessly by the military if they became dissatisifed)
Also, Rome erupted into bloody civil war as soon as Caesar was dead, so the real imperial story arc includes both Julius and Octavian, the latter of whom stacked the bodies up no problem. We need to remember that a stable Caesar usually arrives *after* substantial bloodshed; see Cromwell after Civil War, Napoleon after Revolution, Franco after Civil War.
As for the latter, maybe our most recent case study (esp. because it was Caesarization in a western Christian nation against literal communists who were still capable of being funded from abroad), well, cathedral sources estimate 50k-200k “White Terror victims,” so maybe half of that at most, which seems a small price to pay.
Any potential Caesar is going to need more than just the stomach for political intrigue and palace coups, which any Hillary Harpy could also arrange; he’s going to have to be unmoved by the subsequent purges as well, which I think disqualifies the likes of Musk.
Why? That sounds like a perfect combination: women want to fix you while even your comrades sense something “bad” about you which is not mere performance: go forth and multiply.
We tend to overlook that even Caesar was excessively biased to normalcy, and his mercy killed him. Both Octavian and Constantine were no strangers to killing and purges, and they were the actual success stories. They survived to rule
I tend to agree with this analysis. It’s important to be realistic where we are in the cycle. Gracchus came during the beginning of the troubles of the Roman Republic and Caesar the end. Several generations of bloodshed, instability, and chaos between them.
Seems to me Trump signifies the beginning stages of chaos, not the end.
So on the Roman model, which has been the most accurate model so far, we should be prepared for several decades more of chaos and instability until a real Caesar comes, which is interesting because we may very well be in hardcore IEW by then. May Caesar’s drones strike fast and true as they fly over the Potomac.
Pretty clearpilled to me. I don’t know where our circles overlap, but encountering the DC creature is literally staring into a blinking abyss.
I’ve come to accept that Yarvin is an optimist and a Leninist. He knows damn well what’s at stake, so his persistent messaging about bloodlessness is a calculated decision. I’m not saying his calculations are correct.
I’ve decided to go through the Open Letter yet again. I’m on chapter 03, if you want to read along and discuss. Don’t feel obligated by the offer, it’s painfully simple compared to this place, a waste of time, even.
With the passage of time, what I thank moldbug for the most is introducing me to Carlyle. Carlyle’s essay on Dr. Francia, hermit dictator of the hermit kingdom-republic of Paraguay, is one of the highlights of reactionary literature. https://archive.org/details/worksofthomascar29carl/page/260/mode/2up
(For those with limited time/attention span, he gets into Francia himself on p. 270 after a long preface about South American politics.)
For me, it’s James Anthony Froude. I think he’s the pinnacle of English non-fiction. I know that statement is probably controversial, but The Bow of Ulysses is a master work, the natural predecessor of “blogging.” If you haven’t read it, you should put it at the top of your list. My wife gave me a first edition in excellent condition, and it is maybe my most prized possession, after her, my kids, and my AR, of course.
I’m not at all familiar with Froude, thanks for the tip! Straight onto the list.
Here’s a throwaway email address:
rosem66966@game4hr.com
shoot me a message if you want to. if not, no worries at all. i’ll monitor it for a few hours before it gets shoah’d.
gatelaw968@dilanfa.com
use this one, lost the other one
Been drinking a lot. Might be a bit scattered.
Clearpilled for you. Blackpilled for me.
The realization that a “mostly peaceful,” in a humorous reflection of BLM’s “mostly peaceful,” destruction of the Cathedral is outside likely possibilities is harsh. Especially when one has many friends and family in the Cathedral.
I’ve been reading through the Open Letter again. It really speaks to those who were adopted into the Brahmin ruling caste, yet remained partly alien and thus simultaneously outside the Cathedral.
Yarvin is a Jew. My father was, in a sense, adopted into the old time WASP establishment, Freemasons and all. He was mixed race but also confused for Caucasian. I’m clearly Asian but also inherited that WASP tradition and proximity to the Cathedral. In many ways I share parallels with Yarvin. An outsider who was adopted by insiders and treated as an insider.
I think that is the greatest failing of Yarvin’s open letter. It mostly appeals to those who were already partly outside the Cathedral in the first place due to circumstance and not “open mindedness.” I’ve tried introducing the open letter to many Whites of pure American stock residing in the Cathedral and it often fails to register. It has only seemingly been appreciated by those who are mixed, non white, or originally outside the Cathedral such as Texan conservatives who find themselves in the belly of the beast.
I’m not sure Yarvin realizes he’s mostly talking to outsider-insider dissidents who are a minority of a minority. Trump is an outsider-insider dissident. Never fully accepted into New York elites yet maintaining the wealth to rub shoulders. Tucker Carlson is much similar.
To that end, it’s not really a letter to open minded progressives, but pre-existing dissidents who haven’t yet realized the full scope of the rot. Still useful, but not as useful as one might hope.
Evangelizing monarchy is a tough row to hoe. I suggest you go through Auron MacIntyre’s catalog (ignore the live streams) and switch up your weapons package. He keeps it short yet distills it accurately. I’ve had way more engagement using him than Yarvin.
On the other, far more depressing subject: some of us here would step out into a post-Restoration world overflowing with positivity and excitement. For me, and it seems like you too, it would be a world remade with many, many friends, coworkers, and family playing Minecraft in Alaska or the Atlantic seafloor. There’s no way to make that comfortable, brother. People I care about and love are demonic catspaws. This is part of why I think Yarvin was correct in saying the transition/restoration team has no place in the new society it creates. Too much baggage, to many deep, spiritual wounds. It’s a fucking shame. It’s not worth thinking about.
The list of what They took from us grows longer every day. Fight for what our children deserve, not for what we wish we could have
Sounds like you are playing it exactly correct.
When you take the red pill with the white pill, you realize you are acting in accordance with the Lord’s commandments, and their idea of a “good boy” comes from demons, be those demons literal or metaphorical.
Being what the purple pilled, blue pilled, and black pilled think of as a good boy will not only hurt you, it will hurt the women in your life.
A sexual morality that attempts to apply the same rules, same words, and same concepts to males and females is gay – it is homosexuals taking over our cultural space and chasing us out of it.
Anisogamous organisms inherently have very different and complementary behaviors, and defection is asymmetric. All sexual evil consists ultimately of damaging other people’s capacity to reproduce. Conducting oneself according to rules contrary to reality and to the natural order damages everyone’s capability to reproduce.
“women see me a borderline psychopath who they think they can fix.”
This is called acing the exam.
I’m mainly dejected over the fact that I have likely spread a great deal of bad advice.
I honestly thought I was a “good boy” type. Told many men they could attract women by being perceived as such.
I didn’t realize that telling a woman at a party to her face, and in front of her friends, that her home city in California should be razed to the ground and the earth salted got interpreted as borderline psychopath. I also didn’t realize that comments like that was the main reason I was getting many women’s phones numbers.
Learning I’ve given bad advice that may have damaged other men, some of whom are practically brothers, feels bad,
Also learning that my self perception is completely detached from everyone else’s perception of me is not a great feeling.
Giving good advice about complex subjects is always difficult, even more so on the internet than in person. Words are just an illusion, in themselves nearly meaningless. Words rarely matter. The definitions matter. That is the hard part, reading peoples meanings. Can be hard to do in person, very hard to do over text. You can second guess yourself into believing anything. If your words represent your honest opinion at the time, given the frame you were in, that’s the best anyone can do.
“I didn’t realize that telling a woman at a party to her face, and in front of her friends, that her home city in California should be razed to the ground and the earth salted got interpreted as borderline psychopath.â€
This is almost too perfect. Are you for real? Is this a humble-brag? Are we being trolled?
If not, just keep on keeping on; you’re right in the zone.
Please elaborate.
I assume what normies and women percieve as a bad boy is a retarded frame found in low level criminals and a killer frame found in upper level organized criminal groups. I do not think acting like a cartel member, for the most part, I am sure exceptions exist, is God’s will. I know acting like an inner city nigger is not in God’s will.
I am willing to defend my honor and property against all threats, I don’t bend over backwards for the opionions of women, but this I do not think makes it across to others as what is being described here. So what is this commandment I am failing to fulfill? I do not see it. As far as I can tell, acting like a ‘bad boy’ is a show you put up, in many ways is defection, to gain some amount of status, which would be completely unnecessary were we living in sane times.
The “bad boy†meme is purple pilled. Inner city street niggers don’t get beautiful women thrown at them. High status men get beautiful women thrown at them. What women are attracted to needs to always be viewed through the lens of what they perceive as high male status.
Forget about being a “bad boyâ€. Gay. Focus on being high status.
But women’s ability to judge status is retarded.
They judge status by who they perceive to be alpha of a group of males, thus NFL players have the highest status. Why? Because millions of retarded men watch it religiously.
Conversely, the alpha in the room is far sexier than the alpha on TV, same as the 5/10 chick in the room is hotter than the 10/10 on the internet.
If an NFL player is in the room, he will be surrounded by 100 male fans. It’s very clear to women who the alpha in the room is.
Women are tuned to pick up who other men perceive to be the alpha. If other men are perceiving alpha in a degenerate way, like NFL or gladiators in Rome, it’s not women’s ability to judge status as being retarded, it’s the men in the room’s ability to judge status as being retarded.
Yes they are tuned in to who other men view as alpha, but also other women as well. Alpha/beta are relative terms used to illustrate the 80/20 rule. So it’s inherently difficult to pin down definitions of those terms, as it really depends on the group of men.
Generally, capacity for violence, dominant personality, dominant physical presence. Competence and confidence. Alphas are the ones who stand out from the rest.
Thugs get women, even very young beautiful women. But trust me that is not a life anyone wants to live. Pussy is just not worth it. I mean it is, but living that way is hard. It’s a good sexual strategy at the expense of everything else.
After I found the red pill maybe 7 years ago, I started increasing my comfort game, and the more personable and social I’ve become, the more attention I’ve received from even very young beautiful women.
There’s a line somewhere as far as how big of a dick you have to be, and I think guys over do it a lot. You don’t have to be the biggest son of a bitch that ever lived. And you can scare off a lot of girls that way. Just have to find what works for you.
“Women want to have sex with the highest status men available (as women perceive status, which is similar to the way a small evil child raised by cannibal head hunters perceives status).â€
blog.reaction.la/culture/why-female-status-limits-fertility/
Looking at the context, particularly the two lines jim quoted, it seems you are contradicting here what jim claimed.
I actually agree with your take, to an extent. However, there’s definitely a level of acting like a degenerate retard that gets you status, debatable as to why it gives you status, but undeniably it does in many normie circles. This is what I consider the bad boy meme to be reffering to. Well, I’m not getting ugly ass dreds and face tatts while I work on my soundcloud hustle, so if that was a commandment I failed, the gnostics must be onto something.
Right now I’m gonna focus on survival, and timing, I think 2026 might come sooner than later.
The female perception of male status is seriously retarded, and fails to correspond to male perception of status. You have to understand where female perception of status is coming from, and it comes from a place about half way between their feet and the eyes.
I understand it perfectly. Therefore, I lift, maintain a fit physique, dress well, have a large male friend group, and act like an asshole when interacting with women I want to bang. Never talked about my engineering job ever. Did fine with women.
https://blog.reaction.la/culture/the-three-magic-words/
I was at a party and I was talking about women to a blue pilled normie, who is, predictably, raising two boys who are not his own, their actual father, predictably, being in jail, and the normie, predictably, being childless.
I attempted to start a conversation about our past misadventures with women. He fearfully remarked “Women don’t like that†– meaning women don’t like men talking about their past women and he did not want to upset his girlfriend.
To which I replied: “Women love what they hate.†His girlfriend supposedly likes nice guys like himself, but somehow during a protracted fit of absent mindedness wound up bearing two sons to a violent stoner with no job who spends all his mysteriously acquired money on drugs.
When she was with the violent stoner, she had a job and he did not, while now she is with the nice guy, he has a job and she does not. I never saw her hug him, or look at him admiringly, at the party, even though he was by far the most handsome man at the party, and except for myself the most intelligent. Handsome, wealthy, intelligent, kind, and he predictably gets another man’s leavings. Women like dangerous men, or men who plausibly seem dangerous, and she likes most of all a man who can plausibly appear to seem dangerous to herself.
Nah. I find your dangerous man analysis to be hyperbole and detached from reality. The saying is Alpha Fucks/Beta Bucks not Dangerous Man Fucks. Dangerous just means masculine. If you are masculine, you are dangerous. Women are fine tuned to sense masculinity.
Women don’t like nice guys. Nice guys finish last because pedalization of women is a effeminate trait which is exhibited by men without sexual options.
But the inverse of a nice guy is not a violent druggie stoner.
The inverse of a nice guy is simply a man who puts himself first and women a low priority in his life. “I have 99 problems but a bitch ain’t one.â€
Sure the violent druggie stoner is part of the subset of men who fail to worship women as a top priority in life and thus pulls chicks, but completely detached from reality to say the only men who fail to worship women are violent stoners.
Women see dangerous men as alpha. The nigger peacock act consists in large part of proclaiming “dangerous man” loudly and continually to everyone. Truly dangerous men do not advertise. Women are quite willing to patiently research, and, like everyone else, expect that to find the truly dangerous man, they will have to do a lot of research.
A man can spot fertility at thirty paces in seconds. What women are looking for takes a long time to check out, and they are willing to spend a long time.
Being an asshole in short interactions while gaming women is generally the best way to show you aren’t a beta “niceguy†but not the only way. I don’t believe I did that with my girlfriend. I simply approached her, chatted, then walked away. She then had to hunt me down to continue the conversation.
Women can sense how invested you are in them.
The red pill term beta orbiter comes to mind. It is very clear Beta orbiters place chicks as their highest priority and thus “orbit†them, but get no sex from them. Because nice guys. Very effeminate. Real masculine men do not orbit chicks.
I would still boil this down to masculinity. Masculinity is an expression of strength, vitality, aggression, and capacity for violence. The goal should be to be masculine, not dangerous. Find me a masculine man and I will show you a man who has no problem getting laid.
The wisdom of the Red Pill on Women is largely a rediscovery of functional masculinity that society has banned.
Pooch: “I find your dangerous man analysis to be hyperbole and detached from reality.â€
A lot of what you say after that is accurate. But note that convicted stone-cold murderers in prison get gushing letters from hot chicks. No one is saying that only convicted killers get laid, obviously. But it is one way to attract a kiloton of slicked pussy.
I have a book written by a cop. One time he got curious and asked a thug he’d just arrested what he did all day.
The answer: “Smoke dope and fuck bitches.â€
– – – – – – – –
Pooch: “The goal should be to be masculine, not dangerous.â€
Can you imagine a masculine man who was not in the least dangerous? Ridiculous. Try to imagine a masculine man whom it would be safe to punch in the mouth. Absurd, self-contradictory.
But then you redeem yourself with this:
“Masculinity is an expression of strength, vitality, aggression, and capacity for violence.â€
And other traits too, but those are certainly part of it.
Pooch you keep forgetting about the feels. They love love love dangerous men, because dangerous men get those feels going. Imagine doing something dangerous like bungee jumping. That’s how a woman feels around a truly dangerous and somewhat unpredictable man. Except she’s not quite sure when she’s going bungee jumping.
Women ride waves of feels. My oldest daughter once was hysterical and in tears telling my wife “Mom I can’t feel anything!â€. Absolutely lost her mind. Wife tells her she’s just about to get her period. Next day she got it and felt better. A woman’s feels is the only way they know where they are. It’s as significant as a man’s moral compass.
If the foundation of our reality is truth, a woman’s is feels. How they feel, right now, determines everything past present and future. They guys that understand that themselves, are guys that have women addicted to them.
“Can you imagine a masculine man who was not in the least dangerous? Ridiculous.”
I am not opposed to lifting in any way, but if that’s your only connection to masculine physicality, astute females can sense that. It’s not enough to be strong; you have to be hard. Lifting will give you hardbody, but it does not necessarily give you a hard mind.
Some commenters like Com do think this. Com is discouraged because he says he has to be violent thug in order to get laid.
I know Jim likes to use hyperbole to drive home a point with theory, but I think as actionable practical advice we should make it clear that being a violent convicted felon is not the only way to get pussy.
Yes I know dumb degenerate niggers fuck bitches.
And we have another commenter, Frank, who is discouraged because he believes he must act like a degenerate nigger in order to get a wife. I’m trying to drive home the point, maybe ineffectively, that this is also certainly not the case. There are plenty of commenters here that prove this.
Yes I say in another comment that being dangerous is inherently masculine. Being dangerous is surely a part of being masculine but it is only a subcomponent of overall masculinity. I think Jim overemphasizes the dangerous aspect and should be emphasizing masculinity as a general concept more is the crux of my gripe.
Kunning:
Of course. I actually meant the mental aspect of it more than the physical.
Pooch:
Quite.
Maybe he exaggerates sometimes to make the point. But that’s the point the average nice guy needs to have pounded into his head. That normie nice guy doesn’t need more math skills or ability to fix a flat tire or other stereotypically masculine stuff to score more booty. He needs to seem more like someone whom it would be dangerous to fuck with.
“Com is discouraged because he says he has to be violent thug in order to get laid.”
If Com thinks that it’s because of the stripper thing.
Hey Cominator, strippers are not a random sample of females!
Being blackpilled is an absence of hope. It is defeat, demoralization and depression. It can even be a stubborn unwillingness to feel joy. As if you have made a final judgment of all for eternity that there is only doom ahead.
I think this is how you end up thinking in black and white terms, that you must be a bloodthirsty maniac to find a decent woman to take for a wife.
As others have said, there is a lot of variation among women. Just have to put in the work to up your game, and find a woman worth the burden of performance you can live with.
Women are completely uniform in their sexual nature. There is no significant or interesting variation. The only significant variation I have noticed is a substantial and inconvenient variation in the age of sexual awakening.
And I am the complete opposite of a bloodthirst maniac. I am willing to kill people in certain situations, but I really care for every living creature. Unless they piss me off, and it takes quite a bit to piss me off. I really make an effort to put myself in their shoes and try to understand why they are doing things that I object to.
Women rather like willingness to care for others, and willingness to understand, provided it comes from strength and courage, rather than weakness and fear. But they do not like the sheepdog. They prefer the wolf. The woman wants a man who could be dangerous to her if she did the wrong thing, but not capriciously dangerous to her.
No its not because of the stripper thing quite the opposite if you’ve listened to what I’ve said. I never said you had to appear dangerous to strippers… the one thing i said as far as disposition is never sound judgementally critical of their job when you’re just meeting them (ie why is such a nice girl like you a stripper… they ALL hate this).
The advantage with strippers is you’re dealing with some extremely horny women who you can already get alone into a sexually charged situation.
I think the first step Com is to ween yourself off prostitutes. The dangers of prostitutes and whoremongering are highlighted time and time again in the Bible.
The first step to weaning himself of prostitutes is to get chicks taking care of him, instead of him taking care of the chick and her demon lover. And the first step to that is to let go of the blue pill and take the white pill with the red pill. I suggested that he get a crew together and hit the kind of pickup spot frequented by chicks rather than by very few chicks and large numbers of pickup artists vastly more skilled than oneself. Such places tend to be inconvenient, expensive, and a very long distance away.
If he can find a pickup artist that does not suck, and is willing to distribute the loot to his minions, that man should be alpha of the group.
Don’t forget 70% of your communication is non-verbal. With females more so. Obviously be fit and stand up straight. Heavy lifting will put on muscle: bench, deadlift, squat as basics. When you speak, be confident and concise slightly louder than room conversation. Smell is a factor. Do away with any scented soap/shampoos. Avoid foods that leach through your pours. The animal side of women subconsciously judge smell. There is something called alum, a white crystal salt, you can get at most asian stores that works well for underarm. No scent. When you hunt, you learn to pay attention to smell.
“Bad boy” doesn’t have to be inner city criminality. Extensive and obvious vocal thought crime apparently works just as well.
Soft crime, like almost going to jail due to speeding, attracts as well. I’ve learned recently that my close male friends have been introducing me to women by telling them I got pulled over for going well above 100 mph multiple times.
Doesn’t matter that it was with a souped-up Honda civic and not an actual sports car. Going to court is what matters.
My embarrassing interaction with the legal system has been getting me dates.
And there you go, assuming men and women are the same. Male perception of male status is completely different from female perception of status, and normie male perception of male status even more discrepant with female perception of status than based male perception of male status.
Normies are different, midwits are different, and females are very different. If you want to talk to people, you have to get in their shoes.
I never said status, I said bad boy. Normies and women both know what that is, both are capable of percieving it.
> Also turns out the guys think I’m a delusional bad boy who thinks he’s a good boy.
Women may attribute some hind-brain high status to it, most men do not, but the context of this quote is vague and the meaning of the term is vaguer still even within context.
God commands me to act like a nigger peacock to get across that I would be willing to kill for what is mine. Being willing is not enough, must be a nigger peacock too.
I don’t think so. Not my experience. Or rather they perceive it very differently. It is truly amazing how much mistreatment and neglect a woman will put up with from her demon lover. And when her demon lover predictably goes to prison or gets killed, and she reluctantly settles for someone handsome, kind, highly intelligent, and high status in the male hierarchy, her discontent and alpha widowhood is evident.
I am pretty sure male normies do not regard broke stoners headed for a long term in prison or a violent death as high status.
>Or rather they perceive it very differently
I said that. I am not in disagreement on this point. I am in disagreement that because women are attracted to nigger peacocks, God commands you to be a nigger peacock. That when “you take the red pill with the white pil”, it means you have internalized the nigger peacock and are fulfilling the role of man in creation. Hence, I asked you to elaborate on the behavior that leads to
>the guys think I’m a delusional bad boy who thinks he’s a good boy.
Because from my perspective, that means internalizing the nigger peacock. Dressing and acting like the white version of an inner city nigger. If that’s wrong, what is the ‘bad boy’ to you?
Marrying a whore with two kids by a “broke stoners headed for a long term in prison or a violent death” is not high status either, no matter how handsome and intelligent you are. Shows a lack of self respect that must go deep. From that decision alone I can only imagine the other self degrading behavior this man must partake in.
Well, I certainly do not act like a nigger peacock.
What I can be, is rather scary. And in fact the typical very bad man that women find so remarkably attractive does not act like a nigger peacock either – but he nonetheless is headed for prison or violent death, and is unlikely to have any assets or money enroute to his destination
If they are “headed for prison or violent death”, I am bucketing that as nigger peacock. The violence is just for show, because it will get them nowhere, just like the plumage of the peacock is just for show.
Putin is a scary man, not a nigger peacock, in fact is far far scarier and deadlier than a nogger peacock, but will get sexually outcompeted by the nigger peacock all the same if he could not order him killed, because the behavior is targeted for the female limbic system.
Trying to out nigger the nigger peacock seems to me a losing strategy, seems to me to be supplicating the female limbic system at the expense of your dignity and your civilization. I don’t have an answer as to the synthesis of this. Internalize the nigger peacock, lose your soul. Fail to internalize the nigger peacock, lose your bloodline. The only answer I see is to become a high status playboy, to be like Musk or Trump, which is no solution for your children, and much harder to achieve than simply internalizing the nigger.
The only satisfactory answer seems to me the establishment of patriarchy under the monarch who backs the patriarchal authority of a man in his own house by law.
In today’s world, you are always forced to improvise since traditional marriage is effectively illegal.
You should really read Roissy and Rollo. I don’t find Jim satisfactory in this department. Aidan is also very good.
The Red Pill on women boils down to just be a masculine man. Masculine Men have a mission in life and thus do not place high priority on chicks. Very important to really internalize you don’t give a fuck if a women rejects you or not. Once you have that, the rest falls into place.
“If they are ‘headed for prison or violent death’, I am bucketing that as nigger peacock. The violence is just for show, because it will get them nowhere, just like the plumage of the peacock is just for show.”
The plumage may be for show, but time and chance have conspired such that the best plumed bird is also the biggest with the sharpest talons. Of course, a peacock compared to a tiger is a silly joke, but compared to other peacocks…
The situation we are in is the equivalent of the female peacock using males of other species as their template. “Nice tail feathers, but can you hold your breath for an hour, walk across the desert, and fly for thousands of miles at a glide? Because that’s the lunacy I believe about my stepdad who popped my cherry…” The female lower brain is just doing its job with the programming it has. A violent man is known to be violent which means he will be able to be violent if violence is required and violence is always required. Her thinly developed upper brain is what’s making this complicated. Women are not, by nature, contemplative thinkers. They can plan their wedding at age 7, or manage a household of many kids, animals, with much upkeep, but if you ask them why they prefer one thing to another, you’re going to receive a hash of illogical inanity and anecdotal evidence filtered through their internal lens (remember, every woman is the center of their little universe until ((hopefully)) they are replaced by their children; to you closeted blue pillers and needlessly needling wives reading things that don’t concern you, this is not a demeaning attack on wahmens, it is an observable fact reinforced countless times every day).
Their lower brain perceives the potential for violence, their upper brain projects their constructed interpretive framework. The pussy gets wet, and the decision is made, and at no point are they thinking about this. Trying to come at the problem from a perspective of “how do I act like what she wants” is suboptimal for many reasons. The optimum path, all factors considered, is to act with confidence and refuse to engage with minor fitness tests unless the riches of sandwiches, pussy, and pillow talk are secured. You can try to build a personality projection that aligns with a given woman’s weird, fantastical ideation, but if it doesn’t hit the brain-brain-vagina-decision buttons correctly, you’re nothing more than a piece of furniture in her world. Better to move through her world like Oumuamua, leaving her forever wondering if you were a gift from the gods or a catastrophe barely avoided.
Be the Chad Interstellar Object, not the Virgin Pan-STARRS 2020 XL5.
Exactly right and a profound point of the Red Pill. Women are simply attracted to what gives them feels and not to what doesn’t. They are not logical like men and their entire decision making tree is based off of emotion. It really shouldn’t be overthought more than that.
Seeing a hot woman with a criminal boyfriend should not make one assume “I guess I have to be a criminal to pull a chick like that”. I think Jim is causing men a lot of damage making them think this. Poor Com seems permanently damaged and thinks he needs to be a violent thug or something or not even try.
The criminal is simply giving her feels that make her wet. This feeling of danger, excitement, and thrill is what gives her the tingles and can be replicated on a motorcycle, a fast car, or a boat all the same. She is not consciously thinking “Wow this guy is such a criminal I’m so attracted to his criminality.”
I think Jim has the correct facts and a misleading conclusion. Or rather, an unworkable conclusion that will not last long term.
The nigger peacock act absolutely beats out the scary tough guy act, it is a more direct stimulus to the limbic system. A guy with dreds and face tats and an inability to keep his mouth shut and think with anything but his dick has the advantage up until he gets himself arrested or killed, regardless that in fact he is less dangerous than an intelligent killer. Women are retarded and are responding to a stimulus, the stimulus being superficial to the content. To the extent all women are not with nigger peacocks is momentum from when times were not so, fumes of an empty tank. It is rapidly approaching peak niggerdom.
The conclusion is violent recapture of the social order or the destruction of civilization. Recapture of civilization impossible for now, the response is to embody as much of the nigger peacock as you can in order to maybe make it to the next round. This strategy gets more untenable every round, as plumage takes away the biological energy for brains.
I mostly take issue with calling this frame white pilled, “acting in accordance with the Lord’s commandments”. It’s doing the absolute necessary amount to get into the next round of the game, where you might be able to reestablish the proper order.
Nuts. Niggers have an exemption from the ban on masculinity, so tend to be markedly more masculine.
Masculinity does not consist of acting like a nigger. A significant part of acting like a nigger, however, consists of acting masculine.
Don’t learn it from niggers. Learn it from within.
Not quite. An individual woman’s ability to judge alpha is highly dependent on the type of men she has been exposed to.
Not all women have been exposed to nigger peacocks and thus not all will seek them out. In fact, I’d say it’s a small number who do.
Upper class women are particularly sheltered from degenerate niggers (until they go to college and find the football players). The alphas for upper class women are going to be less degenerate, at least for as long as they are sheltered from male degeneracy.
@Pooch
Know it or not, you are agreeing with me. The fumes of the empty tank are the few and rapidly evaporating closed social circles. Evaporating faster every day as the degenerate monoculture spreads through every form of sharable media.
Internalizing the nigger peacock is red pilled but not white pilled. To out nigger the nigger peacock is long term untenable, not a white pill. Knowing that the Old Law exists and will return is white pilled. Doing everything you can to establish the covenant in your own life is white pilled, that is the Lord’s commandment.
As Juvenal depicts in his Satires, things were seriously fucked and degenerate in Rome around the 1st century AD. Constantine did not start unfucking the degeneracy until the 4th century AD.
Waiting until another Constantine is not a viable long term strategy to me for reproduction. Got to play the cards you are dealt. The fumes of civilization are not completely dissipated quite yet. Put yourself in a position where they are the strongest.
@Pooch
We continue to be in agreement.
> The conclusion is violent recapture of the social order or the destruction of civilization. Recapture of civilization impossible for now, the response is to embody as much of the nigger peacock as you can in order to maybe make it to the next round.
Ideally, you can woo the woman with very little embodied nigger frame. You do this by, as you say, finding those precious few and rapidly diminishing social circles, while establishing your own in the frame of the Old Law.
I am also in agreement with you here,
> The criminal is simply giving her feels that make her wet. This feeling of danger, excitement, and thrill is what gives her the tingles and can be replicated on a motorcycle, a fast car, or a boat all the same. She is not consciously thinking “Wow this guy is such a criminal I’m so attracted to his criminality.â€
Where we disagree is here
> The Red Pill on women boils down to just be a masculine man. Masculine Men have a mission in life and thus do not place high priority on chicks. Very important to really internalize you don’t give a fuck if a women rejects you or not. Once you have that, the rest falls into place.
I have a mission, not swimming in pussy. Why? I don’t go out and put on an act. I don’t go to pickup spots, because I’m busy and do not have a local tribe. In fact my tribe is small, and I move geography frequently. More important to me to try and fix that, need a bigger and better network, than find a woman I ultimately could not take care of. There is more to it than focused and determined frame, and merely a masculine outlook. Have to have at least a little nigger peacock, now, in order to get anywhere.
Nigger frame is just masculine frame, as allowed by the state religion as blacks get a masculinity exemption from the state religion.
White masculinity is demeaned and ridiculed by the state. Black masculinity is celebrated. Understanding this dynamic, one does not necessarily need to act like a nigger to be masculine (although through the lens of contemporary society it my appear this is the only way.)
Having a mission does not produce swimming in pussy in and of itself. It’s merely a prerequisite to continue along journey to manhood. I believe you said you are young which means you are just starting out on the process.
Men are not born, they are made. Take a look at Rollo’s SMV curve for men. They reach their peak in their 30s in today’s society.
I would not get discouraged so early. Your 20s should be spent on improving economic situation, social skills and networks, your living situation, physical fitness, etc. I wish someone told me this in my 20s, would have saved me a lot of time. You will be hard pressed to find an example of a man with the things outlined above who needs to act like a nigger to get pussy.
Wrong.
It’s clear you are not familiar with the criminal drug world. Broke stoners are not violent, have no status, are losers at life, and do not get laid. Maybe they occasionally can trade weed for sex from other stoner chicks who generally are not hot.
In the criminal drug world, drug dealers are violent, high status, and pull chicks. They also tend to be gang leaders and thus alpha. Drug buyers are beta and get not bitches. Drug dealers are alpha and get bitches.
Lol, maybe on The Wire. You are not familiar with the criminal drug world.
I grew up in an area where drug use was not uncommon and this is what I saw. Stoners/buyers low status. Dealers and pushers high status. Dealers had the money and the bitches. the Stoners had jack shit. If you weren’t getting high on your own supply you were just a john equivalent to buying sex off a prostitute.
I agree with Pooch dealers get pussy users not so much.
Your experience is the ecosystem of the end user. The people you consider Dealers are actually just the penultimate user. Actual dealers, they swim in whatever pool they want; the dealers you describe are just luxuriating in the muddy pond they inhabit. There’s one surefire way to figure out how big a dealer is: remove him from the ecosystem and see if habits change. If pen- and ultimate users just switch suppliers, very low on the chain. If every one stops doing/selling X and switches to Y, you’re moving up.
Depends there are definitely levels of drug dealer, and plenty of retail dealers “use” but not all do…
The drug business is all rats though, prettymuch everyone in it. Thats the real reason the oldschool mafiosi hated the drug business.
Dealers are definitely in a hierarchy but this does not invalidate my experience. The higher up the chain, the higher the status, group cohesion, and capacity for violence. El Chapo has the highest status and the low level weed high school dealer the lowest status in this chain.
The low level weed pusher is lower status than a Coke dealer, who also sells weed and pills and frequently carries a gun on him.
Yes there is a hierarchy but women will generally fuck anyone in that particular hierarchy at the dealer level or above…
Certainly but The higher in hierarchy the higher the quality of pussy.
Eh some low level dealers get some extremely high quality pussy…
I think it prettymuch levels off once you have coke (there are a LOT of hot women who are cokeheads).
Pooch says that you don’t have to be a “justice-system-involved†thug to score pussy. This is true. But it does help, a lot, to be more in that direction than most other guys in your social circle.
Among the nice-guy intellectuals that were a lot of my social circle when I was younger, it didn’t take much devil-may-care bad boy to make an enormous difference for me.
Old joke:
Two hikers are in the woods. They see a bear rapidly heading toward them from a distance. One hiker starts re-tying one of his shoes.
“That’s futile,†his friend says, “you can’t outrun a bear.â€
The response: “I don’t have to run faster than the bear; I just have to run faster than you.â€
This reminds me of a news item from a few years ago where it was reported two “men” were mountain biking and were attacked by a mountain lion. One was killed and the other fled on his bike. This seemed very strange to me because I couldn’t imagine a man abandoning his buddy to a single mountain lion. Especially if there is a bicycle to uses as a barrier/weapon. I thought to myself “This must be fake news. They must either be women or trans men.” And I was right!!!! It subsequently came out they were trans men.
A news article said “They did everything right!” LOL, yeah, like running away from your partner is the right thing to do!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/20/mountain-bikers-fatal-cougar-attack-washington-state
Socially dominant is a better term than bad boy. Bad boy is socially dominant among teenagers, and what white teenage girls often go for. In other social circles, social dominance means something else. There is overlapping common ground in these different social circles, which is obviously called alpha behavior. Mostly I think it is having the balls to win, without playing by anyone else’s fake and gay rules, and succeeding. King of the hill. Which is a tough game to play long term, as there is always someone who is willing to do what you are not. Maintaining alpha status long term can be very difficult, depending on which hill you want to be king of.
What is alpha at a church, country club, or inner city is going to be a little different, but the men who are alpha are all going to be the same in that they are willing and capable of doing what the betas are not. They may not all get the same female attention, but the females in proximity will all give their attention to the alphas, for the time being.
What is alpha at a Church, or even a country club, females do not find all that impressive. When men demonstrate alpha in ways that shout loudly to other men, women do not hear it, but women can spot a hover hand at thirty paces.
When I was in my early teens, I had a few girlfriends, each breaking up with me to immediately start dating some other guy not really any different from me. Third time it happened I still didn’t really know why, but in a fit of rage I just said fuck it, if nobody is going to cooperate I’m just going to do whatever I want. Which I did, wherever I went. Endless pussy after that.
The most alpha thing you can do as notice a pretty girl, make your way to her and start doing whatever you want. And don’t let anyone stop you.
More accurately, do whatever you want, as if nobody else existed.
Time to find yourself a wife. If you find a woman who thinks she can fix you, she is likely willing to put a lot of effort into pleasing you, and put a lot of effort into raising your children. Obviously you do not need to be fixed as you are not broken, so she should not be allowed to succeed. If she does succeed, you have been betaized. If your aware of this, you can use it to your advantage.
Just don’t let her talk back to you. If you find yourself defending your position, you are losing. It will wear you out the same as everyone else. You are not broken, you do not need fixing. End of story. If the conversation continues, a spanking is in order, the kind that makes it uncomfortable to sit down for a day or two.
I have never spanked my wife that hard. On one occasion she was obstinately disobeying and I spanked her until she obeyed, which took an alarming amount of spanking, of alarmingly severe spanking, and she was sore for a bit. Ever since then she has never disobeyed me to my face.
On one occasion she caused a problem which there seemed no way of fixing, and I started giving her a lecture on how she had screwed up, and she started ostentatiously ignoring me. I slapped her, quite lightly, on the face, and she was shocked and listened respectfully to my lecture. Thereafter I let the matter rest, because the problem seemed stuck, and she quietly disappeared from my sight, and quietly fixed the problem that she had caused. She remembers that quite light slap on the face better than the spanking.
I never did slap my wife, although many times I should have. Once I raised my hand in anger, and she retreated to the bedroom and called my father who in turn called the sheriff. Nothing came of it, except quite a lot of drama and attention for my wife. I think had I struck her, probably would have solved the problem, probably would not have involved the sheriffs department.
My wife and I have always received praise for how well behaved our children were even at very young ages. It always seemed odd to hear, because we never put much thought into it.
One of the best things we did when they made a fuss, especially in public, is lightly flick their lips with our fingers, like how you would flick a pea or something. When they were really little, they would go from loud and obnoxious to a pile of tears in an instant, just out of shock. It wasn’t anything that hurt, it just let them know they are not the center of the world. It worked especially well on our girls.
More often then not my dad you just give one “the look” and you knew to stfu or stop what you were doing immediately if you wanted to go on living.
In Japan and Korea dekopin (forehead flicking) is a common bit of social technology for asserting dominance and/or quickly venting physically without harming the target.
Highly recommend it as part of managing misbehaving kids or your girl; it can be done much faster than spanking, and isn’t as much of an escalation as a slap (which you can always escalate to next if needed, but often all you need to get compliance is demonstrating that you have no compunctions forcefully violating their space and striking them with a full force muscle release. As a warning shot you only use one finger and strike the thick part of the forehead, but the subconscious registers that next you could do a lot more)
Japanese mothers use it to release annoyance at their infants without harming them. Here’s a comic a wife made about her Korean husband doming her with it to make him a sammich:
https://www.mykoreanhusband.com/flick/
I have slapped my woman three, maybe four times in the course of our relation.
The first time was early on, when I was in the process of digesting the red pill. The subject of violence came up and I pulled the Sean Connery: ‘not the worst thing to slap a woman now and then.’ Likely sensing that I had never practiced what I preached she caused trouble in the following days, and so for the first time in my life I slapped a woman. I remember the make-up sex was great.
The other times it was her just causing trouble. The men get portrayed as agressors, but really she’s more often the instigator, agressively provoking me and the slap is me finally putting my foot down. Becomes rarer as we are together longer, I must say.
There is one funny story of a time I hit her. Jim, in his usual Jimness, argued that woman don’t mind a man hitting her. He hit his wife out of the blue, he said, she did not mind. Me, an investigative sperg, decided to replicate the experiment. So I hit my girl out of the blue. Result: she broke down in tears and I had to console her for half an hour. She was pregnant and hormonal at the time so maybe that had something to do with it. I kinda feel bad about it but mostly it was very funny. Damn Jim and his wacky theories.
Jfc my sides just maxQ’d , Alf.
Yeah, I had a pretty good laugh at that, as well. What a flex. “I’m not mad at you, babe, I just wanted to see what would happen if I slapped you.”
She has probably read this comment of yours if her past comments on this forum are anything to go by
LOL, fuck that’s priceless.
So this is interesting. I came across a Jim reference in the wild recently. He was cited in a peer-reviewed Cathedral (Johns Hopkins) political science journal, namely a comment expressing his desire to apply for, of all things, the position of King Trump’s Grand Inquisitor:
Now that’s what I call a coincidence in light of the recent thread. Also reinforces a point I made once about how this blog might be weirdly protected from the more intense kinds of scrutiny because it falls so far outside of the Cathedral frame of reference that they presume it must be satire. Like their brains are literally incapable of processing Jim’s thoughts as possible real thoughts. (As well as how this blog is read by more people across a broader spectrum than you might expect…)
Link: https://muse.jhu.edu/article/650867
Progressives cannot even understand cuckservatives very well…
Reactionaries are an Eldritch Lovecraftian horror beyond the Nazis (there goto label) that most cannot fathom even in the abstract. The very few progs who do don’t want any of their own looking upon Ryhleh or Cthulu for fear that in looking they’ll be driven mad…shills get sent but paid monkeys on scripts their priest are not even allowed to know about us.
By interacting with shills, I have become pretty sure that the shills get to read the responses that they manage to get, and the computer monitoring the shill’s performance processes them for engagement, but the people supervising the shills are not allowed to read the responses. Their OODA loop is cut for fear of contamination. That is why they are still pushing flat earth.
“Progressives cannot even understand cuckservatives very well… ”
Understatement. There is no room for understanding at all. They think any shade of conservative thought, cuckservative and rino included, is delusional.
They think the delusion comes from purely irrational hate and fear. Try pointing out that there are legitimate reasons to fear them and you must be ignorant needing more education. Point out that hate is in response to massive mistreatment, they turn around and say conservatives are all Nazis and so deserve to be punished.
Try using logic to argue that punishing conservatives repeatedly creates legitimate hate and are thus not delusional. Get told there is no negotiating with evil/fascists/nazis and they deserve to be eliminated.
Tell them that elimination sounds like genocide. Get told it’s perfectly fine because nazis are not a racial/ethnic group and thus it’s not genocide. “All they have to do is stop being evil/fascists/nazis!”
Then they loop back around to it being irrational by claiming all conservatives have to do is become liberals and then there won’t be any hate or fear. That it’s delusional not to want to be liberal. And thus conservatives are all delusional because they are hurting themselves which is a mental health issue, which “can be fixed by education and universal mental healthcare.”
It’s the same problem Matt Walsh ran into when asking what is a woman.
“Reactionaries are an Eldritch Lovecraftian horror”
For now, if their priests ever seriously turn their eyes on the reactionaries, the propaganda will follow to inoculate progressives into the logic seen above. Right now they don’t see reactionaries as a threat… when that changes reactionaries will start being persecuted in mass.
Their OODA loops is broken. It is quite noticeable.
The few progs who really know about us…
View the mere knowledge of what we think is dangerous… like knowledge of Chaos in 40k or knowledge of Eldritch Horrors in the Lovecraft universe. We are not allowed to be opposed openly because by opposing us they would have to look into our abyss, and our abyss would look back at them.
They do not want us to be seen…
Then why dont you challenge them by going to their safe spaces and linking to posts on this site.
I would say dont do it in a sneaky way either. Lies get out of hand. I mean just make a dummy account, make an argument that wont get you banned and use links to this site as sources.
The curious will follow, and start engaging.
These tactics are obsolete, more’s the pity. The ships have sailed at sublightspeeds, and the magiks required to leave one and board the other are very, very big. The best we should hope for is picking up people along the way.
I think saying it is satire is just sarcastic mocking. They refuse to take it seriously, and necessarily have to talk down to anyone saying things they do not accept.
Here it seems not so much mocking as implied condescension. They recognize that Jim’s a good writer with a unique, uncommon style (which can definitely be humorous in its audacity) but cannot believe that someone with criminal ideas could write well, and so presume they do not actually believe their criminal ideas.
Is no one else uncomfortable with our fair home being referenced in a peer reviewed piece of shit? I feel violated and scared…
In all seriousness, I wonder how many journalists and academics have found their way here, and what the consequences were. Kind of like Ben Garrison getting exposed to /pol/? Or was it like being in a house with no furniture, no windows, nothing on the walls, and no stairways; completely unable to see anything, as every molecule is a harsh contradiction of everything considered real?
I vaguely remember that Jim post around the time Trump was contemplating invoking the insurrection act. But, I don’t worry about posts being read. I do worry about antifa being in my front street and how I will respond.
I’ve seen Gameruprising reference us too. Used to be an open forum, invite only now.
When did Ben Garrison get exposed to pol?
The comics of my good friend Ben “Six Million More” Garrisom were frequently defaced by ZOG to remove references to scheeming shysters and their undermining ways, passing them off everywhere as if the original article; luckily, the fine folks at /pol/ were always ready to take the unbased fakes and Correct them back to their based originals, sharing them far and wide amongst each other.
I don’t think you’re giving Ben “It Never Happened And Needs To Happen Again” Garrison enough credit. He ran perfect interference, like a wooden door in a gas chamber, so we… I mean, They could make sure the record corrected images received their due attention.
Dr. L. Palevsky claims spike protein from vaccinated can infect by proximity non-vaccinated causing infertility, blod clots, etc… 12 min
https://www.bitchute.com/video/oJ9Apy9mqZJ8/
Jim, you stated that you perceive Anarcho-Agorist as the best system. I was unfamiliar with the term, so I just started searching for it online and found these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agorism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-economics
Both pages assert that it is left wing ideology. Wikipedia is converged, so I keep 1,488lbs of salt on hand when I use it. You also stated that AA is quite utopian given the presence of non-AA sovereign entities in proximity, and that a Monarchy is the better choice in that context.
Can you elaborate on AA, or point me to where you’ve already done so elsewhere, or any other worthwhile sources? If this is neither time nor place for such discussions, I understand.
Just read these https://reaction.la/
Excellent, thanks. I somehow always forget there’s a website that hosts this blog, even though I’ve perused it extensively.
https://reaction.la/anarchy/
“Freely competing groups without territorial monopoly can uphold justice and defend people. Enforcement should protect person and property, and not redistribute wealth, etc.”
You actually believed this at one time… lol. Competing defense groups in a contested territory sounds like a state of war to me…
Such contests happened less often than you would think – but they happened a fair bit.
Under the current social environment, would likely happen a lot. They were pretty rare in Saga period Iceland, which had a state religion without a state. The priesthood, who were normally the men who summoned the posse, shared a common faith, which prescribed right violence in considerable detail.
This system tends to happen spontaneously a fair bit, with the congregation being the social basis for organizing the posse. Which becomes a problem when you get holy war. Worked pretty well in Iceland because the stateless state religion had lots of precedent and experience in summoning posses, and a pile of consensus and precedent.
I’d posit that geographic hardship/unavoidable considerations are also a ubiquitous factor in the appearance of such societies as well. A shared faith with shared responsibilities that, if neglected, precipitate a collapse. This is one factor that I think will contribute to a lot of cooperation in Sol System colonization.
FAA has stopped blocking Starship.
https://www.faa.gov/space/stakeholder_engagement/spacex_starship
The military faction beat out the lets burn Elon as a heretic faction.
They of course had to throw in a bunch of bullshit:
https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1536432740626837504?s=20&t=ahRAaZTimNcHRgn9pGbF8Q
Extorting developers for pet projects. It’s what they do. I remember decades ago I was at a Palo Alto city council meeting (they were going to vote on an assault weapon ban (this was the first time around, before Roberti-Roos)). Stanford wanted to do some expansion to the Stanford shopping center. The city council was just bold face requesting them to fund some low income housing or some such before their project would get approved. I was young and innocent then and was completely shocked at this quid pro quo.
What is most striking about this is, the sheer inanity of their demands.
Like, ‘project halted to assess possibility of sedge bush in the desert being torched by rocket blasts’ was supposed to be a joke; only, it’s actually reality. This is what the gaian religion, walking and talking out in the wild, looks like.
https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/co/image/1612/44/1612449548723.png
Anonymous fake, if you make a counter argument to this image that acknowledges the point, I will allow it through to debate it. But if you, as usual, just completely ignore the point and cheerfully go right ahead presupposing that no one could think what we think, your comment is going to disappear without response.
Commodity products don’t matter. [*and then immediately changes the subject*]
I asked for a response that meme, which is a reply to arguments about woke capital you have repetitiously made far too many times, and I have repeatedly deleted. This is not a response to that meme. You are persistently unresponsive, and that is why I delete your stuff. You are only pretending to have a conversation.
You have repeatedly told us that advertising matters. And it does. The meme is not about burgers, but about advertising. It is a response to you. Respond to it.
I have been letting your stuff through because it is less robotic than the rest of the stuff, which goes directly to the spam bucket. But I am just going to insist on you actually responding. The stuff I just deleted, I accurately summarized in social networking
Insist on a script expansion. Your old script is getting old.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOfql4OWTng
Things see to have resolved into a new phase in Ukraine. The Russian army has be rolling apace, and Uke war-footing is systematically disintegrating under the weight of its fire support.
Apparatchiks in the west are nervously side-eying each other now. You’re starting to hear talk like ;peace is still possible in Ukraine’ and ‘we need to discuss what we are willing to sacrifice for peace’.
Of course, there is no reason for Putin to stop anymore at this point. The GAE completely fucked up its strategic situation, creating a strong and independent Russian economy in particular, and parallel world economy in general, while torpedoeing its own. It keeps making infinity numbers of fedbucks appear in Zelenkyy’s bank computer servers, but there is nothing to buy with it.
Not even taking the southern coast and linking it with the donbass is good enough anymore. The only thing that will bring peace is the heads of all the globohomo instigators, collaborators, and puppets in Ukraine explosively decompressed on live thermal camera. The Kueef state is a festering spawn pool of chaos, and the requirements of order demand rolling the whole business up one way or another, one day or another – and there’s no time like the present.
Things are rolling Russia’s way. Their attempt to fight World War II failed, and they learned from it. Zelensky’s attempt to fight world war I is failing, and it is likely that his hatred of ordinary Ukrainians will prevent him from learning from it.
But don’t count your chickens before they are hatched. This war has a long way to go.
As they say in chess, it is never too late to make a blunder.
My point is more on the teleological side of things; not so much saying that it is inevitable that Russia will evict the Kiev Occupation Government, more than it is an incumbent necessity for them to evict the Kiev Occupation Government.
In a very real sense, UKR is the NPC and Russia is playing Eternal Tetris*. UKR just needs Russia to mess up, past that, someone else will do all their thinking for them. Russia, once UKR is settled, has literally every EU country and ever US principality to contend with in some way. They have to get better in an environment where the tetrominoes keep falling, just waiting for the battery to run out.
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris#Gameplay
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I did not silently delete, as I said I would, because you are making an effort to assemble evidence for your position.
But in analyzing evidence, you referred to evidence that supports our account and damages your account as weird, as if no one else could have any explanation for it. You are assembling relevant evidence for your position, within the frame that everyone accepts the Marxist account of reality, within which concept of reality those results were indeed weird. You are presenting evidence for your position that could legitimately be debated, but without legitimately debating it. You need to present evidence for your position within the frame that you need to present evidence for your position because your audience disagrees. Without that, it is still argument from false consensus, and I am going to censor it even if argument from false consensus is mingled with relevant evidence worthy of debate.
If AF is a shill, as in a person here with the express intent of shilling an idea or set of ideas, explain why he returns over and over, day after day, while little to none of his shilling gets through.
Either he is A) the worst shill of all time, so how does he get remuneration for his time, or B) not at all a shill, just a wildly committed moron, or C) he is an agent of the people who have made it their business to harass you, to provoke you, to derail you, to slow you down, to distract you, and they have realized that they do more long term damage by keeping a Carlylian Restorationist or Anonymous Fake deluging you with payload crafted precisely to keep you actively engaged.
AF is Smart Chaff, coded to precisely your sensors. Just enough to keep them engaged, not enough to snowcrash your system. Maybe you are getting some data on their methods, but that’s a big maybe, and I wonder what they’re getting back from you, in addition to a nice, consistent dividend of wasted time.
Hellban him, my Lord. Cut out his tongue, and the tongue of the one who follows, and the tongue of the one after that.
Information flows in both directions. All it takes is a little slip up, and our ideas start percolating in the heads of someone who controls an awful lot of commenters. The value of that is undetermined as of yet, but could be quite high.
Another important factor to consider is that we know what he is. Keeping a spy in place when you know he is a spy allows you to control what your enemy sees. Ban him, and we do not know who his replacement will be.
The Germans were convinced they had a handle on British intel during the War of Progressive Aggression, but this was what their entirely rolled up network was telling them. I hear what you’re saying, but I respectfully submit that, without a a back-/side channel to coordinate responses and mitigate Entry payload, there’s not much utility to leaving a spy in place within the confines of this specific context.
I am asserting that if Jim hellbans AF, he’ll be replaced by yet another entryist that goes on at great length, hits meaningful topics that engender engagement, deploys just enough shibboleths and consistent, in-frame claims to seem valid, and posts relentlessly, all with the goal of reducing the number of minutes Jim could be applying to useful (as in destructive to the polygon) endeavors. I think this is a targeted attack tailormade precisely for this blog and our host. I think CR built the model (others too, but his operation was nuts in terms of time invested just to end up at the rhetorical position of “lol fuck Pizza Hut franchises gommunism ruelz”) and AF is using it.
I acknowledge that this may be paranoia.
I am letting him through when he engages, but endless and repetitious payload just takes up too much space, time, and thought. The trouble is that the payload is quite well crafted “We can best accomplish worthy right wing goal X by doing Y”, where that Y may well accomplish X presupposes a Marxist account of reality, and consists of measures to radically increase the power of Harvard. The real payload is not that he expects anyone to adopt these evil and insane measures, but the insanely distorted reality that they presuppose and take for granted, which is never explicitly argued for, because everyone supposedly knows it to be true and obvious and everyone supposedly takes it for granted. And when I let his stuff through, I feel the need to point out that the version of reality that his arguments presuppose is an insignificantly tiny lunatic minority version, and is a minority version even in Harvard.
And I have spent far too much time pointing this out, and am not going to let him through any more, nor explain it one more time, unless he stops doing it. If I need to explain it yet again, not going to. Just going to silently send the comment to spam along with all the others.
But he keeps almost engaging, and I keep trying to get him to engage. I want him to start arguing for his payload as Harvard Marxist hireling opposing us.
You could also link to your comment explaining the rationale. Takes little time and gives an explanation to newcomers.
Also keeping his name up would be useful to old readers. Otherwise we just see a “deleted†and cant be sure who its about.
Finally, if he reeeeallly wants to make his point he can always use disenter
Let me suggest that you ban, ban, ban all shills with prejudice, unless there is some pedagogical point to be made to your good-faith NRx readers by engaging, or you feel like toying with them.
In this particular case, I think you are being too kind to someone wasting your time.
Jim is trying to get more information on the people sending this particular shill, and perhaps even create something of a double agent by forcing the shill to engage in crimethought.
At least rename him to Anonymous Faggot
Something that I’ve realized recently is the terminology of WW1 and WW2 factions. Who decided that it was between the allies and the central powers or the allies and the axis? Historians could have easily called the allies the western powers. American civil war was between the Union and the Confederates. Both terms mirror each other and at first glance neither is the obvious good guy.
Were the central powers not allies of each other? Were the axis not also allies of each other? So why were the allies the allies and not them? Obviously the victors write history… but how is it that such obvious narrative bias gets overlooked so easily even by sympathizers of the central powers and the axis?
Yarvin was right that many dissidents fall into the caricature of their enemies in an effort of overtly reject the current day aesthetics.
During the second war, allied propaganda heavily deployed the term “the united nations” (I actually have some OG source material) and propagated the lie that the German/Italian Axis was coordinating with the Japanese Empire. Regarding the first, I think the switcheroo to just Allies occured in ~1947.
Controlling the shared lexicon is such a powerful capability.
Entertaining jew-on-jew interview with Edward Luttwak. If the intro seems terrible, just page down until the talking starts. Luttwak swishes and swoops around in supreme self-confidence but the other guy isn’t bad either. (The reader will note that Info Era warfare is dismissed, perhaps somewhat too breezily.) The final part is about the US from the jewish viewpoint, interesting enough in itself.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/three-blind-kings-edward-luttwak
Btw, you know you’ve made it when a fellow like Luttwak turns up at your doorstep, as he apparently did at the Deep State. Also consider whether you could hold your own in a debate with these people.
An engaging and apparently well-informed account of Russia’s and America’s shared “Fourth Generation Warfare” misinterpretation of the Ukraine and its ability to coalesce into nationhood upon attack from outside. The details of the aborted airport takeover were new to me. I’d be curious what Jim thinks of his account, as Luttwak is strongly skeptical of the primacy of information warfare.
Everything else strikes me as neither more nor less insightful than your average Beltway cocktail party conversation. How well you could keep up would depend on your mastery of that particular form, and perhaps how well you handle your martinis.
Also, a telling wilful ignorance at the very end about the “disappearance” of Mediterranean Jews:
They’re called Christians. They became Christians, plain and simple. There is no mystery about it. The majority of Mediterranean Jews found the story of Jesus’s messiahship quite plausible. Kind of astonishing, if predictable, that you could know the details of Vaspasian’s prep school experience while forgetting the spread and ascendance of the largest faith in the world, most of whose early adherents were of your own tribe…
Everyone here who matters here, as well as myself and the midwit mafia, should read this article/conversation. It is fascinating.
That certainly describes a lot of us, but you should never refer to yourself as a midwit. Never talk down about yourself, seriously. It makes you look low status and worse, it makes you feel low status. Your better than that. Everyone on this blog is the 1% of the 1%.
Noted and appreciated, but I’ve gone into this before, awhile back: in this place, I am at best a midwit, if not just average. That doesn’t bother me, leastways it’s a known issue. If I’m ever the top of the intellectual food chain in this comment section, that would be a sad thing. I’ve also got the “nueranglelander” self deprecation habit in fucking spades.
OK, so “midwit” doesn’t really apply because I’m aware that I’m only above average and not a genius. But I am also aware that part of my purpose in this community is to be a conduit between the Brass and the Rank & File. I’m the intellectual equivalent an E-4.
I’m not sure how to quantify the power of belief, but I was always very skeptical until I tried it. Once I started trying it, the more it worked, the better I felt, the better my life has become.
It may sound kind of dorky and evangelical sometimes but I don’t care. I’ll take any advantage I can get.
I’d like to point out that IEW isn’t discussed at all. They talk about 4th gen warfare, which I call the post-Cold War Paradigm. Briefly, this is when the real combat ops are police actions, R2P operations, and intel ops that culminate in sloppy assassinations, and war games are fantastical Risk battles completely disconnected from reality (Luttwak seems correct on this one). This is not IEW. If SOMEONE would write a graypaper explaining IEW, I’d love to hear Luttwak’s take. I bet he’d be dismissive in the moment, then circle back and realize what it means very quickly.
Indeed. When you hear the term ‘4th generation warfare’, is is the bluetribesman projecting the inflation of his own perspective into all aspects of the world in general. That power grows out of a megaphone, and that you can dominate the battlefield against a hostile enemy without even having to do any of that icky redtribe warrior stuff at all.
Luttwak, like any good maoist, asserts that power grows out the barrel of a gun, and that you dominate the battlefield by ability to kill the other guys dead.
An older friend of the family (70) died suddenly a couple of weeks ago from a massive heart attack. Seemingly healthy as far as these things go at that age. I didn’t mention the vaxx when I heard of it, but I certainly thought it.
We are due for a cryptocurrency update. ZCash is trading into 2019 prices. Hyperdeflation come th soon, rather than later, apart from a massive deficit spending campaign and I’m not seeing any evidence of such on the radar. If China goes to Taiwan, Japan or SK, that would fit the narrative requirement to get there.
Meanwhile, the US Dollar is threatening to breakout and return to all-time highs. The Yen carry (short) is getting real juicy for a reversal which would destroy many currencies.
Interesting times!
Not seeing deflation at all. The inflation numbers are worse than ever, and inflation is still increasing.
The dollar is rallying yes, but against other currencies. Inflation and cost of living are not going down.
Cryptocurrencies are crashing with other risk-on assets due to the fed trying to pump the dollar. But they are between a rock and a hard place.
The dollar is going up against assets, and down against cost of living. The worst outcome. Eventually something will break. What they do then, matters.
notglowing, do you have a blog? I find your thoughts about crypto invaluable.
Seconded. I think it was shaman, but it could have been NT or St. John, that said an effective blog has a tendency to spawn spin offs. While we don’t need to send out colonists because of cramped quarters here, it does seem quite possible for there to be at least 3 different unique blogs from the Assembled.
No pressure, Aidan.
If the monetary base stays level, but inventories drop 50% with a macro price level increase of 100+%, is that inflation?
The events you imagine do not make internal sense. What do you envisage as causing that to happen?
Presumably you are thinking of the recent state and quasi state attacks on oil production and coal mining, and attacks on the food supply and food supply distribution chain that are officially not state sponsored, but the state is showing a strange lethargy in investigating. Give me some context.
It makes perfect internal sense and is not imaginary other than the round figures I used.
We have disagreed on the broad stokes of this in the past, but I was anticipating hyper deflation in January 2020 if the control freaks did not conjure up a narrative to expand the deficit by at least $150 billion annualized, or about $2 trillion. Out of seemingly nowhere we got a non-pandemic pandemic crisis. That $2t number was before governors started issuing shelter in place orders when Trump didn’t go along. $2t was about 10% of GDP at that time. In any case, tha CARES Act deficit spend happened when inventories were flush. All we saw was a reflation off the pandemic scare lows. In April 2020 the front month oil contract traded to approximately negative $40/bbl. His was because there was presumably no accessible storage for crude and the economy could not absorb the supply (inventory).
As you point out, there seem to be many gremlins disrupting the supply chain, which really started with the pier fertilizer explosion in Beirut. So my position is that the control freaks are artificially destroying supply to break the economy. The nature of credit created money is that banks have to increase capital reserves for non-performing loans. The requirements vary across instruments, but the TLDR is that the end of every cent created by credit is the extinguishing of debt.
Prices going up, reduce the money available for everything previously in the budget if the income is increased proportionately. This causes loan defaults, which causes financial institutions to reserve against potential losses which causes them not to loan and makes lending tighter and the debt deflation becomes self-reinforcing.
As we stand today, the general price level is not so low as to be an attractive risk/reward opportunity which would drive investment and consumption organically. Instead, they keep destroying supply every time prices start falling. The biggest supply destruction to the markets today is via Russian and Ukrainian export restrictions.
So take yen, for example, it’s down 20% this year. If people were selling (borrowing) yen and buying US Treasuries the yen carry trade – than what would it look like if they had to repay their yen denominated loans? In theory they would sell the treasuries and convert back to yen.but with the yen down 20% they now have to sell even more treasuries and dollar assets to payback the loans at par because they are in the hole 20%+ on FX rate. So we get more treasury bond selling, which is higher rates and that implodes the housing market, automotive market and consumer spending more generally. As the system is completely leveraged from top to bottom, that 5x mortgage leverage that was great with rising prices is now generating losses at 5x.
The Yen carry trade is on the cusp of blowing up everything and there is no stimulus scheme that can remedy the situation because there are no inventories. If there is no stimulus or new deficit program, the entire system will fold in on itself because of the leverage/gearing of credit money.
There continues to be no way to print out of this. The extinguishing of debt was/is always the end and that is deflationary. The value of all stocks is, eventually zero.
It might seem insane today, but don’t be surprise if Xi sends the PLA to Japan as cover for the Lehman Brothers write-off treatment of the entire Japanese banking system in order to buy the global system more time. That’s the scale of narrative I am watching and waiting for today because it is one of the few ways the control freaks can buy more time.
Like notglowing said, the dollar is going down, way down, against real things that have and create value.
The inflation in recent hits me very different compared to usual.
Never have I experience everything are literally going up in price, businesses need to justify increasing wages and operation margin. So inflation in recent time felt like exponential.
Supply chain also never recover to the way pre-covid. Everything is hardly on stock or delayed longer than usual. Getting product shipped is getting harder because covid measure never lifted off, so everyone is wary of the next port lockdown.
My palm oil industry literally had record breaking production but cooking oil is more expensive than ever. What gives?
Reality hits. Reality is that the government printed far too much money, and, because normality bias, people are taking a lot longer than I expected to adjust their behavior to the new reality.
Because they failed to adjust, and are still failing to adjust, shortages. As they adjust, shortages will go away but prices will rise.
You should turn money into durable goods that you would eventually have to purchase, because if you delay, you will be paying a lot more.
But where does the printed money went to?
My government had zero welfare, and all the covid testing are paid out of our own pocket. My government were busy buying vaccine and paying media. So at best it went to small number of pockets, who I’m sure did not just exponentially increase their consumption.
I suspect that I suffer normalcy bias in this whole printing money business. And based on my normalcy bias I say that lockdown and covid measure (despite currently being soft) still fuck up the economy more than printing money.
I guess the printed money went to keeping your local currency from appreciating (Indonesia if I remember correctly). So your currency lost value like the US$ and your country imported US inflation.
Now that you mention it, my country does depend a lot on import (food and raw material). So in a way I did import some of that US inflation.
IDR 14,500/USD is not sustainable position, I remember complaining a lot when it was still IDR 12,000/USD and then US value skyrocket during covid and never came back 🙁
It’s US printing money, but I got the hot potato.
People overseas are selling a lot more stuff to America. Huge rise in the trade deficit, a lot more money in their pockets, money which it cost the US nothing to print – not that it is actually printed these days, they just change the numbers in bank accounts.
So people all over the world are getting more money in their pockets. It will take them a while to realize they have been robbed.
Totally off topic. Brendan Eich had just tweeted an handy table summarizing various browser privacy features. Naturally Brave leads the pack.
https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1536776279948595200
I’m running out of tinfoil from all of these food processing places burning down.
Selection bias?
Schizo-spiralling?
What generation warfare are we on now?
Without being too specific, one of the recent ones was my cousins farm where I grew up. I saw the news clip on /pol/ and had to do a double take. Spent a lot of time on that farm as a boy. Crazy stuff.
Was the cause identified? If so, was it arson?
I’m not aware, I may hear something down the road though.
The causality is nebulous, but this guy has some thoughts: https://hiddencomplexity.substack.com/
I’m pretty sure the bastards are trying to start a global famine…
Just in a day’s work to fulfill God’s prophecy.
One of the egg farms that lost all their birds to bird flu was a family friend’s farm, my grandparents lent them the money to start their operation. With the big egg farms they have tight controls on who gets to come in to work and how they come in. To enter the farms you must go through a carwash and then a clothes check were you change into freshly laundered “jumpsuits”. This inconvenience is to keep bird droppings from the large barns full of egg laying birds, the bird flu is known to spread through droppings and once it’s in a barn the flu kills the entire barn within a week and can quickly spread to other barns.
While it seems unlikely that it was purposely spread, it would be surprisingly easy to do with the help of a disgruntled employee that knows the farm well.
Here’s a recent offering from Zeihan. Observe how he can inject some significant hate facts with ease. This is an example of how he can state a hard truth, but is somehow unaffected by the conclusions.
“In-migration* to the United States hit a relative historical low in the 1970s—the decade in which America’s Boomers came of age. For Boomers—an overwhelmingly white demographic—their primary experience with interracial politics was the civil rights movement, a movement that involved people who were already here at a time when the Boomers were young and politically liberal.
In-migration then rose steadily until reaching a near-historical high (again, in relative terms) in the 2010s, at which point the Boomers were nearing retirement and in doing so becoming politically . . . stodgy. In each and every decade as the Boomers aged, the largest single immigrant group was always Mexican. In the minds of many Boomers, Mexicans have long been not simply the “other,†but the “other†that has arrived in ever-larger numbers. A big reason why so many Boomers have been so supportive of nativist politicians such as Donald Trump is that their feelings of shock at the pace of change in American society is not a collective hallucination. It is firmly backed up by reality. This is one piece of the kaleidoscope of why American politics has turned so sharply insular in the 2010s and early 2020s.
But regardless of what you think about Boomers or Mexicans or race or trade or assimilation or borders, there are a couple of thoughts to keep in mind:
First, Mexicans are already in the United States. Whether you’re concerned with what American culture feels like or what the labor market looks like, the great Mexican wave has not only come, it is over. Net migration of Mexicans to the United States peaked in the early 2000s and it has been negative for twelve of the thirteen years since 2008. Just as industrialization and urbanization pushed down birth rates in the developed world, the same process has begun in Mexico, just a few decades later. Today’s Mexican demographic structure suggests it will never again be a net large-scale contributor to American migration. Most of the big migrant flows into the United States since 2014 have instead been from the near-failed Central American states of Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala.
Second, even among the most nativist strains of American political thinking, room has been found for Mexicans. In just two years, none other than Donald Trump went from openly condemning Mexican migrants as rapists and “bad hombres†to embracing Mexico in trade and security deals that took bilateral relations to their friendliest and most productive in the history of both republics. Part and parcel of Trump’s renegotiation of the NAFTA accords were clauses that expressly aim to bring manufacturing back to North America. Not to the United States specifically, but to any signatory of the accords. Team Trump added those clauses with Mexico expressly in mind.
On the other side of the equation, Mexican-Americans are turning nativist. The demographic in the United States that consistently polls the most anti-migration is not white Americans, but instead (non-first-generation) Mexican-Americans. They want family reunification, but only for their own families. Never forget that anti-migrant, build-the-wall Donald Trump carried nearly every county on the southern border when running for reelection in 2020.”
* what is this term? What is the goal of such linguistic hijinx? Is he being cutesy, or is he attempting to slip wrongthink by the filter?
Trump, unlike pretty much every President since probably Andrew Jackson, treated Mexico as a Westphalian peer, not a colony of the US. That’s why Mexico warmed to Trump. Mexican derived Hispanics tend socialist, but more old school socialism and not woke insanity. They also tend to like guys like Trump personally. If the democrats dialed back the insanity, to say, 2008 levels, they’d have handily taken all those border counties.
Fascinating story highlighted on Tucker tonight that a rising number of Californians are fleeing to Mexico City driving up prices for locals. Leads credence to the Donut Theory of Civilizational Collapse where the smartest and most capable of America/Europe/Canada/Australia increasingly start fleeing into 2nd and 3rd world countries.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/11/californians-working-from-home-are-moving-to-mexico-amid-inflation.html
https://twitter.com/RaphMim/status/1534409613935796226
You mean Mexicans are going back to Mexico- but the meme value is priceless.
I don’t think so. The tweet in my comment would make no sense if this was case. If you’ve ever been to Mexico City, you’ll find it is drastically different than the Mexico where our spic laborers are coming from.
Nonetheless, Mexicans are leaving the US. Salud y adios, salad pickers.
Not what I see. Where are you seeing that?
I see massive brown Mexican caravans flowing over the border on foot to come pick salad and rich white gringos flying over the border to buy property in the nice neighborhoods of the South American cities.
Those aren’t Mexicans, they’re Salvadoran, Honduran, Nicaraguan moving through Mexico.
It’s a fool’s errand either way. The gringos that are fleeing south are just moving to the eye of the storm and pretending it’s a pleasant, normal day. Similarly, the brown trash trudging north assume that gibbs spring eternal and the whites will prefer them over the mallates. Both groups are worthless. We should forge ties with our neighbors that would never consider abandoning their homes, as they’re capable of Westphalian peace. We’ll help delete their traitors, and they’ll take care of our cowards.
I watched the video in CNBC article. Highlighted were a standard lib gay black/white couple, a white guy with indeterminate political background, and a black woman who commutes from Tijuana to San Diego.
They all mostly just seemed to be fleeing the high California rents and are getting more value moving to Mexico while still keeping the same weather and proximity to the beach.
But I tend to agree with you, these people are no loss to us but it’s an interesting trend to keep an eye on.
During the late Roman Republic, so many Romans were fleeing Italy to colonize the newly formed provinces that Caesar even attempted to (ineffectively) limit colonization for Romans of marriageable age.
I love my white small town where everyone is friendly, but only insofar that it stays white. When my town no longer has a supermajority of people who look and act like me and becomes a disgusting brown wasteland, I will naturally not have much personal affinity or loyalty to it.
I’m European and I’ve been in Georgia (country) for 3 months. Not third world but probably 2nd. The expats i meet here are usually some kind of dissident of the regime. Mostly smart men with above average IQ, good physical condition and an adventurous personality.
What parts of Georgia are good for expats? How hard is it to adapt there?
Tbilisi for sure. It’s easy to adapt, but you will notice that Georgians are not Europeans. Get expat friends and friends from the local middle class and up, most of them are not brainwashed, they will agree to reactionary positions but layer their opinion with western propaganda.
Half the young people are beyond saving and believe the solution to all their problems is joining EU and NATO. It’s also a bit funny how you will see people wear buttons with “Never back to USSR†and a button that says “EU membership NOW!â€
I’ve found that the people have a victim mentality. They blame all their problems on Russia and the “bad†government in their own country. But a victim mentality is usual for most normal people anywhere I guess. The IQ gap is wider than in western Europe.
The rich parts of Tbilisi feels like any European capital in terms of architecture and amenities. The poor parts of the city feel very eastern/foreign, both the people and the streets.
There are lots of parks in every neighborhood, rich or poor. It’s safe almost everywhere after dark. Most locals you meet will be very curious about you if you look like a standard European. They all assume you speak Russian. As soon as they learn you don’t speak Russian they become happy.
No matter which part of the city you live, you will experience power outages, interruptions in gas supplies and water disappearing from the tap for a couple of days. One of these things happen every month. Usually they perform maintenance and don’t notify the customers.
Continuing discussion on the nature of women’s desires, because why not spill more ink
Straight into it: my thesis is as such, that women are ultimately selecting for status but they judge status though old hardware. This old hardware is very very old, and tuned to what is in isolation very odd cues. It is not merely dangerousness, it is display of this. It’s not even any display of violent capacity, but specific and idiosyncratic cues of this capacity that trigger the instinct. Similar for interpersonal social behavior. Not mere dominance, but specific cues of behavior that are related to social dominance.
In short, all these comments about It’s masculinity this and violent potential that are missing the mark. It’s like the bird that feeds a fake offspring, because it is painted brighter than the real thing (https://s3.amazonaws.com/sparringmind/Legacy+Images/Supernormal+Stimuli/supernormal-7.png). We’re dealing with behavior that is acting as a superstimuli.
This is my point. Any appeal to womens limbic systems is an eventual Fischerian runaway. This is the evolutionary environment that produced the lower forms of african. It is not masculinity, it is in fact a warped mirror of the female desire spectrum. It is not a game that can be won over repeated rounds. It will transform your kind into the nigger peacock.
Now, necessarily, because of the world we live in, you must put on a show to make it to the next round. You must internalize the behavior of the nigger peacock. Enough to trigger the female hindbrain, or else you are fucked, because the power of the state over your family has been handed to women. Go ahead and kill her for defection, that is not winning, that’s a Samson option.
Every iteration of the nigger peacock game we lose more of the true masculine character, the character of the men of the steppes that forged the only livable civilizations in the world. We do not have much time.
Nuts. You do not comprehend women, nor game, at all.
Female perceptions of alpha are very fine tuned indeed to the four million year old environment of adaptation. So they don’t go for the bigger and brighter egg. The problem is less serious. They just go for an egg four million years out of date.
They are looking for signals of alpha that would be high cost, therefore honest signals of high status in the ancestral environment. Nigger peacocking is not that. Negro masculinity, however, is that, because in our society masculinity is less dangerous for negroes.
You want to see what real appeal to the primitive female limbic systems looks like?
Watch the chickflick “Titanic”: The love interest does no end of stuff that in the ancestral environment of adaptation would get him run through with a pointy stick. That is what it looks like. He is continually emitting signals of alpha that would be costly in the ancestral environment, which does not resemble nigger peacocking much at all, because “peacocking” refers to the fact that they emit signals that are cheap, to which women are oblivious.
Never trust a quiet dog. The truly dangerous man does not emit “I am dangerous” signals. He emits a curious absence of signals in a situation where signaling would be expected. Women can pick up on this sort of thing in three seconds at thirty paces.
The primary love interest of Titanic gets into conflict situations with high status males (he cheats at cards, etc) and is curiously impassive. Which is what gets the chick juices flowing, and would get him killed in the ancestral environment of adaptation. The high status male would insist on an appropriate response and would apply a sharp object or a hard heavy object when he did not get it.
Chicks with a high count tend to be alpha widows of stony broke losers who are now dead or imprisoned, and when he was alive and free the chick was at position nineteen on his booty call list. And if he is dead, it is because he eventually came up against someone who was playing by four million year old rules and he lacked the IQ to figure out that this time it was different.
You are fixated on the fact I used the word nigger, I am not specifically talking about negroids. I chose the expression nigger peacock to highlight two things: evolutionary selection for female choice in apefrica and Fischerian runaway leading to exaggerated superstimulus traits.
Your rebuttle is not addressing my point. You are merely explaining the traits of a nigger peacock. Yes, nigger peacocks act like that. Yes, this behavior is in fact not general to male understanding of social hierarchy, is a remnant of our protohuman past, yes it is anti-social and should be punished but is not.
My case is that when you delegate choice to females, it leads to a feedback loop where this nigger peacock behavior, that you are describing to me in detail in your post, but insufficient detail because it is in fact a complex spread of traits, becomes a form of mate competition. Eventually, in order to get a mate, in order to keep a mate, you play the red nigger peacock queen race.
You assume men are getting better at game to adapt to the environment. Men are getting worse. Every year more men check out of the environment completely. Your competition are the likes of Scott Alexander.
Look at who people follow on tiktok and instagram. Look at the men women in prime breeding years tend to fixate on.
We have a growing deviation on the norm, maybe even two distributions that used to be one splitting apart. We have the beta normies becoming even more beta as they respond to environmental stimuli telling them to submit or else, and we have the low IQ but natural gamers engaged in an arms race for an ever shrinking pile of fuckable females.
Get off there and delete the apps. It’s not real life. Get into the real world.
Men check out because women continue to reject relationships with average man.
Most men are average. As time progresses more men realise that they don’t have an option , so they stop giving a fuck.
The legal and social power women hold is also insane. I know a guy in my peer group who’s first wife left him, the second wife said “Im not comfortable with you being around her”, thus cutting off contact with kids from marriage one, now being financially controlled with threats of not seeing kids from current marriage. And, his current wife is ugly, uncouth, lazy. He’s not a happy guy.
No extra-marital sex, and marriage being unbreakable stops this.
>Eventually, in order to get a mate, in order to keep a mate, you play the red nigger peacock queen race.
Yeah, pretty much. We’re converting to a lion model of mating (which doesn’t really work for humans so the entire thing will just collapse and someone will “civilise” us, ie, force us to accept marriage) – one man, multiple women. See: Tinder. That women can get the “feeling” of mating with a high status man without the obligation of a child simply incentivises more women to enter that space, at the cost of being an open disincentive to average men.
Eventually, there will be insufficient motivation for men to uphold the law, and there will be a collapse. Remember – a woman got raped on a train in front of people and no one did anything.
Whereas 150 odd years ago people would rally and hang a *suspected* rapist.
Civilisation is marriage. Marriage is broken.
You are competing with likes of Scott Alexander, so you can win.
But the nature of female sexuality necessarily means that if female sexuality is not quite strongly restrained, the great majority of men will lose.
Yeah, I entirely agree with you. The great majority of men will lose, which also means the great majority of women will lose.
I agree with what Frank says, ie, he’s correct in his analysis of how to play womens game (to an extent), but then we’re throwing civilisation into the bin.
In war, you often save a city by destroying it.
Well of course we are, but we have to play the cards we are dealt, or the people most apt to throw civilization in the bin win the game. And in the next generation, they are the only ones around.
We are selecting for uncivilized people.
We not only need to crack down hard on female choice, we also need to tolerate male violence in proportion to status, with normal policing functions being outsourced to the wider elite, rather than strictly monopolized by state police, and go easy on investigating when someone in higher in the male status hierarchy kills some one who is low status and has a history of getting into trouble.
Hmm, the Scott Alexander quip gave me a thought.
And so, what are we doing as a society by not restraining female sexuality? We’re implying its underlying values are important. The value is “men, spend your effort competing to impress me, to allay my anxiety that I will not have low quality children”.
And since we have restrained it for so long and gained the benefits of a whole bunch of random other status hierarchies, not just basic tribal ones like “best hunter” “best fighter” etc, unrestrained female sexuality leads to pointless behaviour (peacocking) rather than real fitness indicators.
We’re dumber than dumb birds.
How would you fix it, other than only selecting for women who get wet for what you want? Assuming you were to undertake such a program, you’d then have to intentionally massively bottleneck your population as you cull significant portions of the female gene pool. And the program would become extremely corrupted like any other centralized bureaucracy.
Female mate preference actually gets ever worse over time, because the only time women are capable of exercising mate selection are in times where there is collapsing civilization, and anti-social men have the highest fitness in such environments regardless of whether women want to spread their legs for them.
The problem is unfixable, and isn’t actually a problem if you deal with it correctly.
>other than only selecting for women who get wet for what you want?
I do believe in diversity of personality.
I think its perfectly good and reasonable to have populations that select for different preferences. In fact we have had this, however, men who were smart and capable in the scientific world tended to gain significant social and actual capital which sort of makes the non-technically competent elite jealous.
For a time we’ve harnessed the youthful sexual energy of young males, without giving them the reward of a wife and family. This is why we’re having civilisation collapse; “the cake is a lie”.
>the only time women are capable of exercising mate selection are in times where there is collapsing civilization,
So in your view, from the time that women were allowed to choose their husbands is when civilisation started to collapse?
>How would you fix it
It’s simple. Remove government safety nets (an anti-social male might be sexy but there’s gonna be a cost…)
Enforce marriage. One man per woman, period.
Basically, enforce personal responsibility, as opposed to letting peoples mistakes cost the wider society.
Female sexual preferences are adaptive for the individual female in the situation of civilizational collapse, and that their preferences matter foreshadows such a collapse.
Unwin’s data indicates an absolutely perfect correlation between females getting to exercise sexual preference, and decline and collapse. He has a silly theory explaining the correlation, which is not in fact supported by his data, because he could not commit crime thought against sex neutral ideology, so he explained away the correlation rather than explaining it.
>It’s simple. Remove government safety nets (an anti-social male might be sexy but there’s gonna be a cost…) Enforce marriage. One man per woman, period.
Yes, that is part of the solution proposed here. But I was asking how you would fix the “problem” of women preferring anti-social men in the first place. You’d have to select for, over many generations, women who have the least anti-social preference tendencies.
And then it would go and get fouled up again when your civilization collapses due to runaway female preference for pro-social men. All of the women regardless of preference will be getting fucked by general buttnaked, adorned with the skulls of said pro-social men, but the women who become aroused by those skulls rather than disgusted will be his favourites.
That women are a certain way does not mean that they are broken and need to be fixed. They are as God made them, and trying to change that will require rather ungodly methods, and likely produce rather ungodly results.
No fix for that, for women are the weaker vessel.
Even when we had stern patriarchy and very stern coverture in place there were no end of stories about the servant girl getting in trouble for helping her lover rob her master, or robbing her master to fund her lover, and the bride running off with the wedding singer.
The effective fix is that such are fallen women, very low status, and against such women extreme measures of control are natural, socially acceptable, and normal.
If you act like there are no consequences for your behavior, if only you exist and everyone else is insignificant, that’s going to get you a lot of female attention, at least if your a high energy high testosterone guy. And especially if your life revolves around chasing pussy. The burden of social norms rests on everyone else, and it is up to them to stop you.
Thinking with your dick is alpha. Having big balls is alpha.
The opposite seems at least as plausible:
By teaching pro-social, high-intelligence, low time preference men to emulate the dark triad men that women are drawn to, Game can save civilization and certain population groups, not doom them.
(Was replying to Frank Matters.)
I did address this in the earlier discussion. We have no choice now but to play the nigger peacock appeal-to-female-hindbrain game. We have to restore patria potestas at all costs, because repeated iterations of this game will destroy us, it is a strategy of desperation.
Game is an arms race. Not everyone can be top 20%, and women work out quickly when they’re being gamed.
In order for women to be “pleased” with their partner choice, 80 odd percent of men they see have to be unattractive losers. So.. eventually being a “player” becomes “fuccboi”.
Civilisation occurs when the most desirable men basically tell women they have no chance with them, and follows through with it.
EG – My lady, you are NOT a princess, but a commoner!!
So game as an arms race, yeah. It can help men get laid in the short term, but sex doesn’t help civilisation.
Having men and women together raising children is what’s needed, not sex.
Black pilled and just not my experience.
To succeed with women, must internalize the behavior of the men at Jim’s blog.
Well, the behavior of the men at Rollo’s blog or Heartiste’s blog would also work, or even better the behavior of your father or friends or whatever men you look up to.
Every theorist has a model on how women work. Getting the model exactly right is very hard — women pre-date words. Heartiste is too witty, Rollo too theoretical, Jim too violent. But all of these men are correct. And the way you copy their success is not by word-for-word mouthing their model, it is by emulating their overall behavior. Just like you’d emulate your friends or father or whatever men you look up to.
So, if you’d emulate the behavior displayed in this comment section, is it that of a nigger peacock? Very obviously, it isn’t. The behavior displayed in the comment section is pro-social, high-intelligence, low time preference and dark triad. It attracts women and cures tfr.
I can’t remember who I read that said this – but when women are young they can’t tell the difference between fake status and real status.
Thus, the honda civic driving drug dealer has the same status as Clooney.
The real trick is keeping actual low social status men from making (fake) alpha widows out of your women.
If you have a daughter and you can’t impress upon her that the guy she loses her virginity to is her guy, period – you’re losing her, I think.
But think, what kind of father would you be seen as for taking that position? Her body her choice.. so on.. lol
Hence homeschooling and an old type Christian upbringing.
For which you will be ridiculed by demons and the demon possessed, but if you refuse to invite demons into your house, they cannot enter.
Unless you purposefully make your daughter dumb and unquestioning, you’re still going to have to rely on whatever appropriate husband she gets having the same perspective as you.
What are you going to do, keep them away from TV, the internet, other people entirely?
She’ll just end up crying on a documentary about how she “escaped a cult” lol.
You have a bleak outlook.
I intend to raise my daughter smart and questioning. I will keep her away from tv, do not intend to keep her away from the internet nor from other people. I will raise her with all the love I have for her and more.
At a certain point we have done all we can and we must also trust our women and daughters to do the right thing. We must have faith in them. My woman surprises me daily by how much she tries to do the right thing, and I have hopes our daughter will be the same.
Both of my daughters are stunningly beautiful, very well behaved, and even my oldest at age 20 still checks to see if she can stay at a friends house. And I am thrilled with her boyfriend that she met through online dating (all the boys at church she thought were gay). He will make a good husband and father. Neither of my girls have ever given me much of a hard time. Not what I would consider a hard time anyway.
It is not impossible to bring up girls properly.
What more can a father wish for…
Yeah I think this is the problem with raising your kids in the church. Double edged sword. A daughter will grow up with good Christian values but it will be hard for her to find a masculine man also in the Church.
A boy, if you teach him masculinity properly, can find a good wife in the Church, but you don’t want him to sheltered and isolated in the church because he might grow up gay and McChristian.
I’m pretty fortunate. My son just graduated high school and is working for me now, and I’m teaching him woodworking and cabinet making. It’s awesome.
All of our parenting is built on honesty and trust. And meeting the needs of our kids until we could teach them how to meet their own needs.
I suppose that’s true to an extent, I’m a little bleak based on what I’ve seen personally, but then, if I’m fair – the men I see are weak and defer to women.
You and Adam below have slightly white pilled me. Thank you.
@Alf
“Every theorist has a model on how women work. Getting the model exactly right is very hard… Heartiste is too witty, Rollo too theoretical, Jim too violent…â€
Yeah. Women are not (totally) algorithmically compressible. So each man has to cobble together his own variant of the basic model, based on his own experience.
Also, it depends on the kind of women one is going for. It is possible to take All Women Are Like That too far. What I mean is not that there are any women who like nice guys (LOL). But it’s like the fact that all men prefer young women to old women, though some of us prefer blondes, some brunettes, etc. All women prefer alpha to nice, but some like intellectual guys, some jocks, some more thuggish, some less thuggish. When I was in college I straight-up seduced a chick by talking about twentieth century empiricist philosophy. I doubt that would work on the sort of chick who’s a drug dealer groupie.
The fact that there is dispersion among women gives us room to work in.
Great point and this was an ah ha moment for me that I could set standards and preferences in the women I allowed to enter my life.
A foundational lesson of swallowing the red pill is becoming high value and putting yourself above women not below them. Then you can carry the frame “Does this woman meet MY bar in women?†No longer are you qualifying yourself to random women. They are qualifying and auditioning to be in your world for what you like.
A good mental exercise is to picture specifically the woman you want and decide if you want to be the dude who can get that and if so then do it. A fitness chick? Guess what, she’s into fitness guys. A big fake titted broad who likes to be seen? She’s going to like flashy cars and toys. A humble country Christian girl? She’s going to be impressed with you reciting Bible verses, hunting, fishing, and so on.
@Frank
I do think the “arms race†model has an element of truth to it. But consider our host’s analogy: we must create a world that resembles the evolutionary past as a garden resembles a jungle, enough to satisfy women but without actually being a return to the jungle.
Furthermore, while all women prefer alpha to nice, not all are willing to sacrifice a home with a two-car garage for an affair with a drug dealer. Show these women enough asshole, without choosing a career as a drug dealer, and we can snag ‘em. I DID that, and I’m not the only guy here who did.
This is not to deny that all of this will be even easier if certain social changes can be accomplished, namely driving a stake through feminism’s heart and seriously punishing defecting men.
Society as a whole needs a lot of stuff like strongly encouraging pro-social men to keep and bear arms and vigorously discouraging anti-social men from doing so. This is especially important in areas where society is very frayed. Police officers should be treating married taxpaying men in poor neighborhoods exceptionally deferentially particularly where women can see it.
If a womans husband seems a boring domesticated beta and she thinks she can have an affair with drug dealer without getting caught… almost all of them will.
“Society as a whole needs a lot of stuff like strongly encouraging pro-social men to keep and bear arms and vigorously discouraging anti-social men from doing so.”
And, as our host says, displaying a certain lethargy in investigating, when pro-social men commit violence against defectors.
Cominator:
Thus the importance of teaching average men to behave less like boring domesticated betas.
I would also legalize all drugs so there are no drug dealers beyond the convience store that sells drugs…
Libertarians are right about that, the government should not prevent people from self destruction.
Inb4 bla bla bla someone I cared about OD’d. And did the government stop that, no then shutup.
Disagree on the drugs thing. They are way too powerful and way too destructive to your workforce. Any king that allows drugs to become a path of least resistance in his kingdom is asking for trouble.
If you don’t have the problem already you can keep them getting a foothold…
But otherwise the best you can do is make them low status thru propaganda. I would make hard drugs low status but legal.
Agree on making them low status, especially to females. Better to emasculate users and dealers than try eliminate the drugs themselves.
No dealers as I said they’d be legal.
Yep no drugs. Think of it as a lord of a manor. Do you want your serfs tilling the land on drugs? Nope. Banned.
The Emperor is at a much higher scale than a local lord and banning shit violates freehold principle. Also the only permanent government police that will exist are border guards and secret police/inquisitors so how will you ban them?
Every lord has knights. You don’t want the knights called on you.
Knights to the extent they’ll exist don’t do “law enforcement” at normal times. Gentlemen volunteers will and they will not be paid… thus drug laws will revert to the 19th and 18th centuries when they just didn’t exist.
Throwing out the progressive era means throwing out everything from the progressive era including drug laws and child labor laws.
18th century is not happening. We will be lucky to get something resembling the 9th century. Disobeying the lord was punishable by death at that time I believe.
And to the extent there are local warlords they can try to ban drugs, but to me banning drugs means accepting the communistic principle of progressive public health and I kind of have a chip on my shoulder about that after 2020.
> Show these women enough asshole, without choosing a career as a drug dealer, and we can snag ‘em. I DID that, and I’m not the only guy here who did.
I agree with all this. I only started off on the track here because I took genuine offense at jim calling this measure of desperation wherein you appeal to female nature in order to pass into the next round of the game as “acting in accordance with the Lord’s commandments”, as white pilled. Only in the most twisted sense is this true, only in the specialest of limited circumstance. We may be in this circumstance, I would still rather not see it honored. In the long run it degrades our nature. Look at the humiliating role of the chicken, the harem animal, and the nobility of the wolf, the monogamous pack animal. I would rather no life at all than end up as a chicken, my soul would not fit in such an animal.
Just start thinking with your dick and you will become alpha in a way that you can live with, and pass your genes onto the next round.
Alpha is a BIG category. Top 20% is super easy. The fact that your aware of the game you are playing gets you way ahead of average.
Yeah my starting point was completely blue pilled on women and forced myself into something of a lesser alpha solely on reading the theory and putting it into practice through repetition.
“Alpha is a BIG category. Top 20% is super easy. The fact that your aware of the game you are playing gets you way ahead of average.”
Yeah.
And Frank, in all the warm air that’s spilled in the Manosphere about thirsty betas, it’s important to remember that in the current environment women are incredibly thirsty for masculine men. This is why a mere basic level of Game can make a huge difference. I speak from experience here.
Yes it is true that if the average man becomes more Game-aware, the environment will become more competitive, but please don’t worry that you’re going to have to get an AK-47 and go around capping people off at random to attract a woman.
If white men become free to be men, but women remain free to choose sexually from an enormous menu, and change their mind at any time, then you going to have to get an AK-47 and go around capping people off at random to attract a woman.
Which is, I think, what Frank is worrying about.
So, in our present society, more subtle forms of masculinity and alpha work fine, though women are frequently strangely insensitive to cues that are impressive to other men, and hypersensitive to cues that you do not notice and other men do not notice.
If we fix up our society to allow men to be men, we will also have to, in order to prevent the crisis that Frank is worried about, both restrain female sexuality severely, and also allow men higher in the male status hierarchy to engage in more personal violence (within rules and limits that women are unlikely to be aware of or pay attention to).
“If we fix up our society to allow men to be men, we will also have to, in order to prevent the crisis that Frank is worried about, both restrain female sexuality severely, and also allow men higher in the male status hierarchy to engage in more personal violence (within rules…)”
Indeed.
I don’t see a world where those are not mutually exclusive. If a large portion of men find their balls to that degree and become hyperviolent without fear of reprisal from other men, they won’t be whiteknights.
Only a problem if you are not selective with the kinds of women you pursue in the first place.
Award your attentions to the daughters of men whose qualities you approve of. This is both personally beneficial – your chances are better through social coordination, and better again through eucivilizational groups – and also racially beneficial.
You are making the standard blue pill recommendation: Unicorn hunting.
Which always fails, resulting in the black pill:
All women are alike. They are all women, varying only in beauty, level of sexual desire, and notch count.
As I am fond of saying, if unicorns existed, one of them would have shown up in Feynman’s office asking for special tuition, not to mention Trump’s and Bezos’ skyscraper corner offices.
Instead, Feynman and Trump had do what I did, albeit Trump got to do it on an incomparably grander scale. Einstein failed to do it, and the chick that eventually did show up in his office was a hot KGB agent of influence personally sent there by Stalin.
I am not recommending unicorn hunting, i am recommending respecting those laws of God as revealed to the prophet Darwin.
A hostile or naive reading of your advice would suggest that, since all women are like that, mate selection makes no difference. Thede, class, clade, race, species, whatever, it’s all good. Obviously it is not all good, and knowing you i do not believe you are actually suggesting this, but the explicit point is not made.
FM posits that, since the selection criteria of humanoid females are antisocial, singular male agents optimizing for them will result in a collapse of society over time – true enough, assuming the men themselves are totally indiscriminate in their own choices.
In practice of course, the problem is largely punted by removing female choice from the equation altogether. There are multi-millennia long track records of success with this strategy all over the world.
It always pays to consider the cosmic, deep ecology ramifications of one’s strategies though. What FM has been grouping around here is the concept of multi-polar traps; situations where an entity’s strategies for success now cements its doom later.
You can say we are living through such a great filter event right now; those forms of human life that are susceptible to the psyop are led into genetic death, by various means – while those forms of human life that are insensitive or antithetical to it come to fill the niche and proliferate in their stead.
To wit, you are not just doing yourself a favor by associating with the later, you are in fact doing your divinely mandated duty by so doing.
The Lord’s commandments are considerably less gay than what the blue pill commands men to be.
Agreed. That is why we must bring them back down from the mountain.
You can display a high degree of vitality without shuckin’ and jivin’ like a frizzed out schvartzah.
Women need to be led. When you show high energy, the female will notice. Be somewhat animated when you socialize, maintain appropriate eye contact, learn to smile.
Small talk for starters. You want to get the conversation to the point where you are showing there is a positive future with you. That you have strong family connections. That the female can be a part of your tribe.
Reopening the WQ discussion from below as the thread has gotten too convoluted to follow.
-Frank counts all reckless and lawless behavior as niggory-diggory
-Pooch says masculinity period is what is attractive to women, and violence is just a subset of that
Well, maybe the bad boy is heading to an early grave, but he is far more likely to propagate his genes than the dutiful office worker who dies in bed at 85. He is doing what he has to for his genes to survive in a given environment; could be argued that he’s smarter than you.
And Pooch, I notice that the useless stoners and such getting laid are generally skinny, hunched, won’t look you in the eye, and shy away from conflict. But they drive their riced out civics at double the speed limit down the highway and sell drugs.
It’s not worth opening a discussion on what constitutes masculinity; it’s an “I know it when I see it”. And there is not a strong correlation between the men I see as masculine and the ones who are piping out tons of hot young chicks. I should point out that masculinity and femininity are not a spectrum but two discrete things; I know plenty of masculine men who have extremely feminine traits, like emotional incontinence, passive-aggressiveness, and so on. Again, treating masculinity and femininity like a spectrum enables the gay. Like spiritual T and spiritual E, one has a certain level of each.
Womens idea of masculinity is “the highest status man in any given frame”.
The useless stoners are the highest status in their social group, hence, get laid, since the women agree that driving badly in noisy cars, having drugs, and having cash from selling drugs are the metrics of status.
“What is manly” – what women agree is status.
https://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/05/africa/incredible-tribal-traditions-africa/index.html
>And there is not a strong correlation between the men I see as masculine and the ones who are piping out tons of hot young chicks.
I think in general men are slightly more practical and would rather see something like “actual real productivity” be considered as proxies for masculine value.
women actually register status in ways far more ancient than any of those that you list.
Milieu, concrete situation, and specific goal are extremely important. Looking for a one-time lay is different from looking for a fuck-buddy is different from looking for a girlfriend is different from looking for a wife. Pairing off at the club with a posse where alpha hierarchies form automatically is different from Tinder dating is different from finding a wife in your social group.
Unfortunately, fate plays a huge role: how physically attractive you are, and how you instinctually relate to women, much of which has to do with the kind of man your father was. The former can be worked on to some extent, the latter is difficult to change permanently in my experience.
Getting a woman into bed is also a completely different game than keeping a woman loyal, unfortunately. Many men relax after a while with one woman; you can never fully relax.
I don’t think violence and masculinity are extricable. I do not think actual violence is quite as important as Jim suggests, but the capacity and potential for violence, i.e. power, or at least the appearance of it, are necessary. This need not always be traditional kinds of power; women are pretty stupid. They want to know you can be a Master of other things and people than them; then they will let you master them, too.
I think a lot of guys misunderstand what it means to “be an asshole” to a woman. What you think an asshole is and what she thinks an asshole is are two very different things. I’d say that almost nothing is more important than simple indifference: that you fundamentally not give a shit whether she stays or leaves, and let her know that she is completely replaceable, and never care all that much more about her than about a useful maid or whatever. (Or actually slightly wish you had an actual maid rather than a woman, because your woman’s never going to clean as well as a professional.) And I think you honestly have to believe this yourself. It sucks for the little romantic fag inside of you, but such is life.
Women find it repulsive and weird if you care or think too much about them. Physical violence should be authentic, measured, and goal-oriented; to get her to shut the fuck up and stop being hysterical, usually. If she gets the sense that you’re just performing violence for her sake, she will start to find you fake, gay, and repulsive. Being violent with a woman can paradoxically reveal too much interest in and care for the woman.
It is cope. Men have to suck it up and do what must be done. Complaining that women like nigger peacocking is a way to avoid the responsibility of becoming the kind of man that women want. I doubt either Alf, Jim, or you act like dumb niggers, and you all have women. I have had a couple women offer themselves and I come off more like Hannibal Lecter than a nigger, in terms of both intelligence and calculated psychopathy. Acting like a nigger does not get you laid, because there are an awful lot of niggers complaining that they are not getting laid and even more not complaining but still not getting laid.
Think of alpha/beta as a bell curve. The large center distribution is beta, the left side is Jeremy Meeks, and the right side is Bill Clinton. Both Jeremy Meeks and Bill Clinton make decisions with their dicks. Bill Clinton is high status enough to insulate himself from the consequences.
The idea that female arousal is net eugenic and determines status is the one myth that the dissident right seems to be unable to give up on.
It makes little sense from a logical point of view. If as soon as large groups of men form a cooperate/cooperate equilibrium there is almost no selective pressure on female sexual choice, women are going carry over genes that resulted in sons who are successful in less civilised environments, such as an attraction to men with a strong tendency to defect on other men (and women).
From an empirical point of view, this is evidenced in the fact that white women have children with sub-saharans at a per capita rate significantly higher than white men, despite the greater cost of having children and greater (almost infinite) choice. It’s a small minority, but difficult to explain unless female sexual choice has more primitive, pre-civic characteristics.
From a historical point of view, it helps to explain Unwin’s findings. If men have to directly appeal to women (rather than their father/male relatives) to reproduce, they will not engage in activities that result in a higher civilisation (and high status only to men).
Fortunately, there can be overlap in male and female perceptions of status, although it is often accidental. If a man brains a little old man in the street because he was trying to diddle his son, high status to men and women. But if he did it to steal $100, unfortunately still high status to women.
In the current climate, civilised men must make them overlap as much as possible (and throw in some occasional pantomime).
I still think this comes down to masculinity. Degenerate blacks get a masculinity exception, thus we see white women drawn to them over their effeminate white competitors on per capita basis.
I also believe that there is something inherently leftist and feminizing about civilization as a concept. The saying that there is no one to the right of Attila the Hun has much truth in it in my opinion. He is also the most uncivilized. So if women are attracted to the most masculine, they are also attracted to the most uncivilized.
I think as civilized men today we can make this work for us and instead of against us. Yes, one way to approach female sexual choice is just become a self-destructive drug dealing degenerate criminal.
A 2nd way is find your mission, work on your physical fitness, buy a house, become financially successfully and independant, buy a nice car, a boat, increase social network/skills, etc.
Both methods may bring sexual success, but the 2nd method not only brings you sexual success but improves your life and happiness as well. I tend to think the quality of woman using the 2nd method will be higher as well.
Atilla the Hun was a barbarian savage who’s achievements did not survive him. The proper saying is, “To the right of Ghengis Kahn,” because the Kahn actually built a civilization that was not just based on looting shit from other people. Some of what he had survived his death, and it ran well during his reign. Another good example would be, “To the right of Vlad the Impaler.” A man who similarly had his shit together.
If you concede the frame that civilization is beta, then you cede civilization to those who permit the alphas to commit violence in order maintain civilization and encourage the betas to act more like the alphas to the same end. I will throw myself as king of 1660s England against Atilla the Hun and 1000/1000 times it ends with me fucking Atilla’s daughter and him bending the knee as a vassal or lying dead in the dirt. Civilization is the most alpha move, because it permits the maximization of skilled effort and group violence. Think g otherwise is just wrong.
Civilization is coordination that scales. And the ultimate test is coordination of large scale violence. But the central plan always fails, you have to factor the problem. Which means that large scale coordinated violence is made possibly by lots of distributed pro social violence.
Which is mighty alpha.
Matryoshka Dunbar organization. King Wulfgar is top alpha of my Dunbar set of Lords and Archbisops. Then those Lords and Archbisops are top of their own Dunbar sets. Continuing down to the lowest Dunbar sets of the common men, where each man is the alpha of his household. Each man in the chain above permits those men beneath him and in good standing to use violence, from the common man running off petty criminals and layabouts all the way to the king making war.
I do not believe in central plans, because I am damned smart, but I cannot run all of that. If I cannot do it, no one can, so why try? Why should I tell Lord Aidan or Lord Inquisitior Jim how to run their business? Lord Aidan, provide me with my taxes and answer my calls to war. Lord Jim, find and kill my enemies. The manner is up to you. Go forth, and in the name of God let none stand before you. How my taxes are earned or my enemies found and silenced is better handled by other men. The only time I should need to step in is if there is a problem that needs my level of organizing to solve, and that should be few and far between.
Correct.
This is the only way to scale, and thus the only way to scale organized pro-social violence, and scaling organized violence in this manner has the beneficial side effect of aligning female perceptions of alpha with the male status hierarchy.
When the Sun King replaced the manly nobility of the nobility of the sword, with the faggot nobility of the nobility of the Robe, whose lack of manliness was satirized even in sympathetic fictional accounts like “the scarlet pimpernell”, and was deplored even by those deploring the french revolution, he found he had replaced dangerously mighty vassals far from the throne, with dangerously mighty servants dangerously close to the throne.
That was a nice concise explanation.
Was recently taking a look at historian Carroll Quigley’s books where he talks about the structure of the secret society founded by Cecil Rhodes in 1891, composed of a hierarchy of secret societies organized as “rings within rings within rings” (where a lower secret society is controlled by a few members who are part of the immediately higher secret society). It reminded me of the Matryoshka Dunbar idea.
From “Tragedy and Hope” (1966):
Wouldn’t some central planning be required to prevent entryism/Leftist corruption of the lower level Dunbar sets?
Would the Inquisition be actively looking for entryism or just waiting for a fire to break out?
If your Top Guys are aligned, they will smell entryists. If the Top Guys the next level down are aligned with your Top Guys, they will smell entryists the same.
Inquisition should focus on the higher levels first. Hard to get right, but a massive effort of tying to investigate every deliveryman or tax collector is going to fail badly.
The priesthood at even the lowest levels need to be investigated..
“Matryoshka Dunbar organization. King Wulfgar is top alpha of my Dunbar set of Lords and Archbisops. Then those Lords and Archbisops are top of their own Dunbar sets…”
That’s a fantastic comment.
Now do entryism.
This has been the nth re-invention of administration via Fuhrerprinzip.
And today’s military would just drone strike you and waive a Gay Pride flag over your corpse. That the civilization of Attila the Hun, or lack there of, was not technologically advanced and our civilization is advanced is exactly my point.
Only if you subscribe to the theory that forms of techne spontaneously emerge from the aether and have nothing to do with the agents instantiating it.
Of course they don’t. Did the men who killed Osama Bin Laden have anything to do with gay sex parades?
The men of JSOC contribute directly to gay pride parades by protecting governments that kneel, and punishing those that don’t. When they retire, they become full time shills for the Cathedral. Look at the CEO of Black Rifle Coffee Company.
Before you can banish the faggot leftist outside in the world, you first need to banish the faggot leftist inside looking at the world.
“The idea that female arousal is net eugenic and determines status is the one myth that the dissident right seems to be unable to give up on.”
Da fuck? That female arousal is DYSgenic is a major important theme here.
I think he is equating the dissident right with the cuckservative right which puts pussy on a pedestal. Dissident or cuckservative, its all the same to them.
Frankly, I’m not seeing the stoners scoring. As a general rule of thumb, you want to project health, vitality and confidence. That should work until you get quite time alone. If the female willingly follows you to a quite space, they want you to take them.
It is not the stoners, it the dealers who usually consume far too much of their own stock. They attract women who are not into drugs, because they tend to be violent types and she sees druggies kissing their asses.
https://blog.reaction.la/war/art-of-war-in-2022/#comment-2841673
More suspicious food supply issues. ~10,000 head of cattle dead due to “heat” in Kansas feed lot.
https://twitter.com/buperac/status/1536916064239353856
My area also had record crop failure, foods are 20% more expensive in just 2 weeks. The weathers are pretty much normal (I’ve had it way worse 2 years ago).
There’s a pretty easy answer: Due to labor shortages caused by inflation unqualified people are being put in charge of critical operations. That doesn’t mean the leftists are not doing it, but they generally liked to gloat about their crimes on twitter and I haven’t seen that yet.
Sure, unqualified people in charge of critical operations cause destruction, but what’s that got to do with inflation?
Shaniqua was not hired because of labor shortage.
Things are getting screwed up for several reasons:
1. Shaniqua gets hired on the basis of race, sex, and sexual preference.
2. Businesses used to rely on college degrees as a filter against the dangerously stupid. This filter has ceased to be effective.
3. Human Resources insists on treating it as if it is effective. Hiring able people and not hiring dangerously stupid people is obviously racist. Also hiring cooperative people and firing people who are destructive or defect on their employer is not only racist, but sexist (because you fire gays for showing up seldom and stoned, and women for shit testing yourself and your colleagues). If you hire good people and fire bad people Human Resources will tell you that you are in danger of a racial/sexual discrimination suit – meaning that they will organize one against the man who is supposedly their boss.
4. Inflation: Businesses are fictitious beings imagined into real existence through book keeping. With shortages and rapid inflation, your books become meaningless. You need to keep your books in a stable unit of account, and we do not have a stable unit of account, and in any case, if we did, keeping your books in it would be illegal
5. Normality bias leads to setting prices and wages far too low. And then you have a shortage of smart people who discover that the wages you are paying them are long out of date, and switch jobs in order to get paid at market value, at the spot price of labor, which results in high employee turnover. The employees you lost take their knowledge of the business with them, and in their new job, they do not have knowledge of the business. And because there is an extreme labor shortage (at the wages that you are paying) you hire morons to replace them. Human resources is happy, because morons tend to be racially diverse.
6. Sox accounting, which is increasingly abandoning the pretense of tracking the movement and creation of value, and is instead openly tracking holiness – not that it ever tracked value all that well.
I’ve been seeing this everywhere.
Here’s an interesting potential red flag that China is planning something:
https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/china/2022/06/china-220614-globaltimes02.htm
It could be a step in a long term plan to “uplift” the “character” of the officer corps, which is a signal that PLA is going down the gay path the GAE went under Obama. As well, could be deepening the Jr officers because they expect high losses in an amphibious operation. Or just a footprint expansion as BRI continues to develop.
Whenever I see Chinese military drill (aka China deathmarch) their military bearing is always striking to me. And I wish that we could be that way still. It is sad. That type of drill is usually associated with a high degree or esprit de corps (moral), attention to detail, and precision. A military you do not want to mess with. We used to have it, not anymore.
That’s exactly the point of the public drill.
Notice how few of these we see from our side anymore. Imagine getting Shaniqua to do something over and over and over until she does it right.
The powers in charge do not want our military to have high morale, esprit de corps, or any pride in their nation.
If they developed such qualities, the soldiers might take it into their heads to do something about the people who are destroying America.
Much better to have a sloppy, demoralized, out of shape/fat gaggle of colored single moms that can never present a challenge to the power structure.
The criminal cabal that usurped our country believes they can win wars with technology and propaganda alone. They are wrong. Battles are fought and won by men with courage and high morale and skill. Wars are won by the leadership of men who are strong-willed and moral. Our present leadership has none of that and could not possibly win a war.
Yeah, they said this in their official global times paper (which it pays to keep an eye on).
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202206/1268115.shtml
Perhaps this is among other things a reaction to Russia’s losses of generals in the Ukraine special operation.
Speaking of which, comrade Xi just signed into law the ability of the army to do “special operations” that are not officially “war”.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202206/1268037.shtml
“and safeguard China’s national sovereignty, security and development interests”
The Chinese government has been doing the British empire thing. Make a huge loan to a corrupt government, which is linked to developing something strategically significant, such as a port. When the loan is predictably not repaid, foreclose.
“It is an alternative for studying at a military academy and becoming an officer, the expert said.”
This is potentially very bad – Academics are priests, and this looks like disempowering the military priesthood in favor of the non military priesthood. You wind up with a non military military. We have a woke officer class, and they are likely to find themselves with Communist Party equivalent: People who base their strategy and tactics on Mao’s totally and blatantly fake account of the revolutionary war.
Lutwack sarcastically observed that this leads to the theory that the megaphone is more powerful than the gun. It is more powerful than the gun, until actual shooting starts.
You could say that with the Soviets, there was a generation shift circa the 1950s and 1960s.
Before that, the old bolsheviks were juggling the demands of objective reality, with the demands of ideological reality. A misstep gets you a seat on the purge express, but they knew what the deal was. They knew deep down there was objective reality, and make-belief reality, and if you follow the only the latter, then the Germans take Moscow, but if you allow for the existence of the former, you take Berlin.
The new generation soviets gradually lost the knowledge of objective reality and accepted the solipsistic ideological cocoon as the only reality that matters. Nukes provided an objective shield behind which subjective degeneracy could flower, and internal social pressure along ideological lines filled up reality, obscuring ever more the objective reality outside itself.
Once this goes far enough, factories start exploding, reactors melt down, products disappear from stores, electricity and water get rationed, gang crime explodes, corruption and inefficiency paralyzes all institutions, planes crash, trains derail, bridges collapse, serial killers operate with impunity, the lot.
Right now, the Russian army at the very least is getting schooled in reality. 900K being rotated 80K-100K at a time through the Ukraine, getting a feel of how the world really works when the masks are off. Large sectors of the economy and state tech also having to adapt to reality or wither.
The West and its allies, as well as China, still appear to have enough accumulated fat (or at least behave as if they do), to be able to play make-belief in all sorts of ways, all the while accumulating a “reality debt” of systemic entropy.
Let’s see what autumn and winter bring. Who knows. Maybe it’ll be a storm that forces the face of even the most ardent reality-denier into the toilet bowl of their own lies. Maybe even at non-apocalyptic cost.
“Once this goes far enough, factories start exploding, reactors melt down, products disappear from stores, electricity and water get rationed, gang crime explodes, corruption and inefficiency paralyzes all institutions, planes crash, trains derail, bridges collapse, serial killers operate with impunity, the lot.”
Describes the chaos the US is descending into perfectly.
I don’t think they are intentionally trying to create a priestly military. What is happening is that for the past seven or so years they have been trying to get rid of the old Maoist-style military system, and in that process have been copying many things from America’s military – ever since Desert Storm the PLA has had a significant degree of admiration for the US military. Some of that stuff is good, like adopting the brigade combat team model. Some of that stuff is not so good.
If we go sustained kinetic but not nuclear, I have a feeling that every USMpilled army is going to just fall down after trampling its own dick. They’ll probably stand up some replacement, but it won’t look like a traditional military. Luttwack’s been knocking around in my head, boxing with Jim over IEW. The modern world rests on a massive framework of assumptions that are just snapping like toothpicks. I did another week or 2 blackout on the Special Operation, and I have to say that is the way to ingest modern war coverage. So much better seeing trends and details. Russia is going to have the best military in the world with all the major info sources claiming the opposite. China will soon have to do their own organized Vietnam lol. By this I mean a rotational war machine without too many conscripts. America had the opportunity to knock out Iraq, walk away, and start looking for some other country to democratize. Instead, she got stuck in and spiritually bled. China is in danger because they have the same strain of gommunism in their bureaucracy, but they still have nationalism.
I’ve been lazily wondering what segment of weaponry which Vladimir Greenberg asks for but the West isn’t sending over, isn’t being sent over due to fear of embarrassment.
As in “Ukrainians start using it in an information environment we don’t control, and suddenly lots of crap become very visible.”
The official narrative about certain weapons not being sent was “we can’t risk you guys starting WWIII with it”. Lately a second one has been added: “we can’t just deplete our own warehouses completely guys, be realistic.”
I suspect two more unsaid reasons for certain types of weaponry:
1) We can’t afford the Ruskies to learn in real time how to counteract this
2) We can’t afford showing the world that this weaponry sucks ass
I think this is spot on. It’s probably all of the above. The little personal contact I’ve had with USM was mostly shell games and bloat with very clunky, nearly inoperable tech hidden beneath. It’s the PowerPoint phenomenon; some flunky keeps inflating use cases, abilities, etc, because it’s just another slide bro, budget pls.
You guys are generally plugged in with crypto, what’s going on with Celsius?
This is what’s going on with Celsius:
https://twitter.com/SpawnBearBaron/status/1531027475878359040
There is a YouTube channel called Upper Echelon Gaming that has been covering the story from before they shut down withdrawals. He is not one of ours, but he had some pretty convincing evidence that the people involved have run shady shitcoin scams in the past and Celsius is the latest scam.
People have been discussing women’s romance very extensively, but nobody seems to bother discussing men’s romance.
What kind of women that men desire?
Of course it can be easily said “as long as she is thin, beautiful, young, and mentally sane with good manner” the woman is top of the mark. But my experience hits a bit different.
The first woman I ever proposed maybe 6/10 of attractiveness scale. But her brilliance and personality has become light that shone my soul (which was really dark at that time). I was feeling genuine companionship which is very unique. Too bad our faith differ too greatly.
While my wife fits objective measure of being good woman (attractive with good manner), deep down I’m feeling spiritual loneliness.
Even today I never find women like my first love. I feel regret that does not go away.
Perhaps to better understand women we also need to examine inward. Or maybe women and men’s experience ain’t that different after all or merely 2 side of same coin.
No one cares about men. We deal with it.
That’s the saying of a modern man who has never experienced fraternity, but it says more about western society than about you. Close sense of brotherhood was the historical norm. Brothers looked out for each other and pushed each other. Men cared about men. Who do you think gave marriage consoling before HR types twisted it into an industry?
Fraternity in the west was undermined by acceptance of homosexuality. The military resisted that far longer, but it too was forced to accept and even promote the gays. The idea that no on cares about men, and that we must deal with it on our own, is almost purely a byproduct of modernity and gay acceptance.
Maybe I should re-phrase. No one care about an individual man. No one cares about unorganized men. That’s why we organize. Then people take note of us and take care not to cross us lightly.
This is not just the state of the west. It is the state of every country under the US cultural Hegemony, India included.
Take what I say with a grain of salt. I’ve never been married. I have accrued some wisdom from others though.
Some of the most loving marriages came from arranged/shotgun marriages where both parties knew each for less than a week prior.
Overcoming shared struggles creates trust and shared narrative. That leads to genuine companionship and love.
That is hard in the modern world where you’re not facing starvation, war, extreme poverty, etc. Surviving such things as partners forms deep trust.
What can be done today is creating many children and sharing the burdens. The financial cost of many children and/or investing highly in their development can act as a proxy to poverty.
Of course that may not fully recreate a shared sense of hardship, but at the very least she’ll likely be too busy to even think about adultery. Also try to get the wife to home school.
If there is one thing I learned from past year is that people seemingly happy does not automatically mean being happy.
I can say this because I’ve known happy couple busy doing their own thing as soon as they have free time, husband and wife rationalizing workhouse load. Marriage is transactional and that’s the truth that lots of people carry into their marriage.
But my experience with my first love transcend this truth that the thought of asking something in return never blip my mind.
Again, I say that men and women ain’t that different, merely 2 sides of same coin.
If I heard women leaving their good husband for bum ex-bf, I wholeheartedly understand those women (tho I don’t approve those behavior).
Well, that’s completely insane. Why are you even here if you believe that?
Men and women are as different as protons and electrons, positive and negative, zero and one, good and evil, light and darkness, sun and moon.
That woman doesn’t love you as you love her, I guarantee it. Will not and cannot. Only men can experience romantic love and loyalty.
And why “wholeheartedly” understand? Do you have no dignity? Or at least respect for other men? I can “understand” it in the same sense I understand a crocodile eating its own offspring – with distasteful acceptance of some strange force of nature, not “wholehearted” understanding.
I agree. We are a means to an end for women, and that end is feels. No matter how you look at it, status, provision, protection etc. are all feels that a woman may need in the moment. Whatever feels she cannot get from you, she will look for elsewhere.
Romantic love, chivalry etc. must die a brutal death.
You should not believe that women are bad for not being like men. Women are good.
Women are good for being like a woman, and men are good for being like mam.
If you look for a woman who is like a man, because you think that is a good woman, you will be disappointed and become black pilled.
And women are not looking just for good feels. They will make greater sacrifices for their husband and their children.
Who said anything about women’s goodness or badness, or looking for a woman like a man? I said they are different, to deny which is also insane, and very peculiar considering the existence of your blog. I also do not think crocodiles are “bad” for being crocodiles, or men “good” for feeling romantic love.
Why would you call women good? Women aren’t good; neither are men.
I remember someone saying something along the lines of “Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.” (Mk. 10:18)
I also remember someone listening quite eagerly to the advice of a certain Serpent in a certain Garden.
Women can love, but their love is different, and disappears at a mere whisper.
Good men are manly, and good women are womanly.
I agree they will make great sacrifices for their husband and children. Total agreement. They often have a high tolerance for negative energy.
What they find the most difficult, is boredom and apathy. Love and hate are not opposites. Love and hate are both intense emotional investments. The opposite of love and hate is apathy.
Follow the strong feelings, good or bad, and female behavior makes more sense. Not just from their pussy. Also the caring nurturing feelings.
They don’t run logically or rationally, they run emotionally. That is the essence of a woman. If you want women to change their behavior, change how they feel. Change the emotional stimulus.
Yes, but you should not describe the differences between men and women in ways that imply that women are wicked. That is the black pill speaking, which is a result of hanging onto blue pill morality while acknowledging red pill reality.
White pill moral reality is that men and women are very different, and different conduct and different rules are appropriate. A virtuous man is manly, a virtuous women is womanly. Each is virtuous in the way appropriate to their sex, which is a different kind of virtue to that of the other sex.
The womanly virtues are not necessarily virtues in a man, and are rather close to defects and moral failures in a man, and the manly virtues not necessarily virtues in a woman.
Saint Paul, after listing the differences, tells us that notwithstanding, women shall be saved in childbirth. In context, childbirth is a synecdoche for proper performance of the proper female role, of which childbearing is the most difficult, dangerous, and stereotypical part, that she shall be saved by accepting and enduring the curse laid upon Eve, which was both the pain of childbirth, and the desire to submit to and obey her husband.
I greatly appreciate you boiling it down so simply. When I am able to name it, I am able to fight it.
“you should not describe the differences between men and women in ways that imply that women are wicked. That is the black pill speaking, which is a result of hanging onto blue pill morality while acknowledging red pill reality.”
Disagree
Women ARE wicked ex “shit testing” left alone will destroy the house, the children and herself.
The black pill is giving up and kill yourself with sex and drugs.
white pill is when a man become virtous he will control the woman and she will appear as if “virtous woman”
but there is no “virtous woman” ever.
women never stop shit testing never stop proding for weakness in a man to destroy him, the house the children and herself.
Just don’t fail shit tests. Which of course is hard when women have been granted social superweapons.
Women reproduce most successfully as property, men least successfully as property. Woman are looking for a man strong enough to own them. Understand this, and though shit tests are stressful and unpleasant, once you pass them, you will see goodness in women.
Leading with a neg is pre-emptively passing a shit test that she did not necessarily intend to give.
Shit tests will be a far less grievous sin when women are deprived of social superweapons.
Gotta disagree on 2 counts, bro. Women are obviously different from men, but 2 sides of same coin actually works well in a lot of levels: the coin only has two sides, the sides can never align the same way, always polarity issues, etc
Women can be loyal, just as men can be kind. Woman can be brutal, just as men can be tender. It’s not a natural tendency of either, but can be immensely powerful when deployed adeptly. This doesn’t mean brutal women or tender men should be encouraged or praised.
Also, DuckingMan is a weird bird. He gets a Far East exemption on certain things. He maintains positions that would be unacceptable from anyone here on Team Howlie. I can’t explain it, but it’s happened before where DM says something bonkers, and defensive countermeasures start lighting up, but nope, not a threat, just another wacky Chinamen. Honestly, it’s actually amazing to see some of the theories of heterogeneous societal evolution play out in real life. We’re not all the same thing in different clothes, we’re fundamentally different creatures with similar biological geometry. We can interbreed with Chang’s daughters, but separate us between planets and we’ll specieate in dramatic fashion.
Never thought I’d have to push back on this point on Jim’s blog of all places, but it seems I am a bit more metaphysically misogynistic than some here. Two things in Ducking Man’s post, one intellectual, one personal.
The personal: to “wholeheartedly understand” adultery is to be a traitor to one’s fellow men, and such men created romanticism, created feminism, created George IV and his whore wife, and the end of monarchy, created most of our problems. I have no respect for and do not trust such a “man.” I thought a main goal of the society envisioned here rejected such betrayal of one’s fellows.
The intellectual: there is a reason mythologies almost universally attest to a masculine Sun and a feminine Moon, and the Bible to Adam as Image of God and Eve as the rib – a subordinate derivative – of Adam. That reason being the plain-as-day fact that women are fundamentally other than and, in matters of spirit and intellect, i.e. soul, i.e. being human, less than man. This opinion was not controversial two hundred years ago and before.
I love my wife and she is a brilliant conversationalist and kind and caring etc. but there are so often moments with her, as there have been with every single woman I have ever had to do with, where I forget what she is and am baffled by some unbridgeable gap between us and have to question whether she is of the same order of being as myself.
Then I remember that she, like the moon to the sun, is meant to define herself by and through me – a duty I did not ask for and which is often tiresome – and that if I should ever neglect that duty she would find someone else post-haste to fill that function for her.
We are not a coin with two sides, i.e. essentially the same but with different manifestations, but two very different things which are bound to and defined by each other but which shall ever remain – tragically, I admit – in completely separate spheres.
Accidentally deleted a much longer comment. You’re right, my model is off. The coin analogy worked for me because of internalized blue pill assumptions hiding under my red pill framework. This actually tracks with issues I’m encountering in my own life.
And you’re also right to interpret DM’s reckless faggotry about women who cheat. I guess I just don’t take him very seriously on personal topics after the religious spat awhile back.
The WQ really is the only thing that matters, not because it’s the only thing out there, but because if you get it wrong, everything else is tainted. Someone else here wrote: “Marriage is civilization, and civilization is failing.” That slammed home for me. What are your thoughts on the assertion?
I’d agree that marriage is the basis of any strong, virtuous culture, whether a civilized one with cities and scribes or a nomadic barbarian tribe – so in spirit, yes, but without overvaluing the “civilization” part. Paris has long been very, very civilized and very, very spiritually bankrupt. But I have a soft spot for barbarian hordes.
If, as seems more possible with time, we see some kind of post-collapse period of newly-formed nomadic tribes swooping up and down and across steppes and prairies, it will be the tribes with strong, virtuous marriages (so: our tribe) that will be best positioned to one day settle and start the next civilizations. It’s just good social technology, if nothing else for keeping men from fighting each other over women and staying focused on real enemies.
At the risk of sounding gay or cliche, marriage is good for men but better for women. It gives them the opportunity to live in GNON aligned harmony, forestalls and obliterates (eventually, mostly) the demonic slut impulse, and gives them a path towards creating beautiful, massive families. I don’t expect many here to have shared this experience, but I’ve met a couple of undeniably based Grandmas, women far past the impetuosity and flightiness of youth. Beautiful and emotional in their season, they act as matriarchs in the place of dead husbands, declining to remarry and instead carrying on the legacy of the men that made them what they were supposed to be. This is not common, I don’t think. Not only does the Cathedral work to snuff out good women, but even in a just and healthy society based women would be a rarity. Some mysterious combination of spirit, genetics, and faith, I’d imagine. Each of them had a ton of kids, lived in the country, and married as teenagers.
Obviously. If men do not get pussy and sex on the prosocial path, do not get an obedient and faithful wife as soon as they can afford one, everything is going to hell in a handbasket.
Everyone is too fat. No one cares about redistribution of bread, still less about redistribution of ownership of the means of production. Every man cares about pussy.
We want every industrious moderately competent male, who works or fights for his society and social order, to have a direct and easy path to acquiring an obedient virgin wife.
This requires a fair bit of tolerance, and a considerable lethargy in investigating, when someone who works hard and plays by the rules, knocks off someone who does not, and also requires us to come down hard on female sexual choice.
Yeah i think that was probably a factor… he wouldn’t take her calls. She got pissed…
But it can happen if you act wrong with a lot of girls… and one who flirts with everyone then starts larping as a dyke suddenly and then starts accusing people of shit…
Sounds like trouble and not the fun kind.
Saint Paul makes that point. And then points out that a woman can be virtuous by performing the female role.
Women are the weaker vessel, and easily influenced to wickedness. But also, easily influenced to virtue. Female virtue. Do not expect male virtue, it is inappropriate for women.
Adam failed Eve’s shit test by going along with Eve instead of giving her a spanking, and also failed God’s test. Expect, and firmly insist upon, female virtue.
When a woman hears someone else priesting and preaching about the proper roles of husband and wife, and it differs from what you say and perform, her pussy is going to tell her: “Test who is more alpha, this man or your husband?”” And she is then going to shit test you. She is going to perform according to hostile alien teachings by someone who wants destroy your marriage and all marriages. This performance is a shit test. Pass it.
“But also, easily influenced to virtue. Female virtue.”
How do you define “female virtue”?
The fortitude to perform the very tough female role, and the willingness to do so.
Genesis 3:16
Digressing, I note that those who claim to believe the Book of Genesis “literally” seldom believe it spiritually.
I was wondering the same thing. Proverbs 31 is probably a good start.
My ChristCuck relatives literally go into full on blue screen of death shutdown if I quote that verse. They’ll argue all day long that the earth was created in 7 days but that women must be ruled by their husbands? Nah!
Modesty, Chastity, Motherhood.
Motherhood and submission.
Modesty and chastity in of itself are not virtues. The modern western feminist proves that.
Absolutely are. Find a woman who doesn’t dress like a whore and who wasn’t ran through. I did.
Doable. Not to be confused with unicorn chasing.
Women today generally wear pants the ultimate asexual non whorish wear. Whores NEVER wear pants at least not when they are working.
Consider the movie “Cuties”, which is in many ways a distillation of the whig telos vis-a-vis women.
Most people at the time got het up over the idea of pre-teen girls twerking for attention, with some more aware folks getting het up over the plot device of the moslem girl rejecting the folkways of her ancestors in order to engage in said urban degeneracy; but the real trick becomes apparent once watched all the way through.
In the ending, the girl protagonist ultimately doesn’t just reject her mohammedanism, she also rejects the dressing and dancing up with the group for sex appeal too, thus expressing the true end of the judeo-puritan strain of feminism; a sexless interchangeable meat-unit with no distinguishing features or attractions at all.
You’re a weird fucking dude man.
Anyways, it is extremely obvious how modest a woman is based on her appearance. Hair, makeup, dress, tight fitting clothing, piercings, skin showing, tattoos, etc.
The early Church Fathers placed tremendous praise on Christian women who downplayed and refrained from all those things.
Women’s pants these days are far from modest. It’s been funny to watch the change the type of clothes women wear to work over the past 20 years. Pretty soon they’re re going to just start showing up with their vag completely out and just like now nobody is going to say a word to them for fear of being accused of sexual harassment. What’s sexual about a woman going to work with her vagina hanging out? You’re the pervert for looking at it! Meanwhile chicks just keep dressing sluttier and sluttier waiting for the day some man will be strong enough to tell him to put some fucking clothes on.
Personally I just try to enjoy the show and I treat them about as respectfully as they’re willing to treat themselves. Yoga pants/tights at work are one big shit test though
Yes, which is why female virtue is not to be confused with the male virtues of inner character. All women are like that and act like that.
But not all women dress like that or have ridden the cock carousel like that.
As a general rule, the most low cost method of assessing the virtue of a girl, is by assessing the virtue of her father and grandfather.
I can often assess the virtue of a girl by merely looking at her.
Of course, you know, just saying; breed the change you want to see in the world.
I agree, but for me this just means breed with a white woman. Jim is right, there are no unicorns just more or less used women, which is the defining characteristic of female virtue (outside of motherhood).
Find an unowned gently used white woman, wife raid her, and you are in good shape.
The point being of course that odds of such happenstances are better in certain circles; and you and those men rewarding each other with genetic patrimony is all to the good.
Sure I’m weird, you’re looking for normies on a far right reactionary website?
But don’t you find the dress of the modern Western women more androgynous and grotesque than seductive? Do you think women should generally wear pants… I personally do not I think their should be rigid distinctions in how the sexes dress wear their hair everything.
Tats are a category that can be both whorish or radfem grotesque but ALL women have them nowadays (all meaning 99%) so unfortunately if you are going to reject women on the grounds of having any tats… you might as well go elsewhere or become a monk.
“I can often assess the virtue of a girl by merely looking at her.”
If they are a landwhale with blue hair and tats everywhere obviously you want to stay the fuck away…
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As far as women in tight fitting yoga outfits at work… who also sue you for sexual harassment if you comment on it. I’ve never ever seen that on the East Coast north or south (women looking to cause trouble is universal sure but I’ve never seen it that way here). Maybe thats a West Coast thing but I’ve never been to the West Coast and the way things are now I don’t plan to.
There is massive and incredible variance in the way Western women dress. They have almost complete freedom in their appearance. So to say “All Western women dress and look like this†is not based in reality.
Obviously we are not going to find women ultra modestly dressed like Puritans, that Christian virtue in women, as well as men, is long gone.
Having said that, it’s abundantly clear when a woman looks like a slut and a whore and when one is dressed more modestly respective to the population as a whole. You know it when you see it.
Note old pictures of women from the 20th century before the 90s which is when the cancer really went into overdrive…
Whether you consider their dress modest or not (that varied depending on the time period, parts of the 80s 60s and believe it or not the 40s were particularly immodest… I guess 1940s garb is only indirectly revealing and maybe I just find it really hot) the pre 90s dress was consistently more feminine than the way the overwhelmingly majority of women today dress and generally they looked far more attractive.
@Com I’m seeing this in professional settings in Mass. Chicks in offices with college degrees making decent money showing their camel toe all day. Especially under 30s
@Com: guy I work with, Ukrainian, shacked up with some Cambodian chick at work (decent looking, but flat faced). He’s like 5’2″, so he works out a lot and drives fast cars.
This new girl shows up, tight fitting everything, 24 years old, hottest chick in the department right off the bat. Around the same time 3-4 other recent college grads girls start working there. The hot new girl starts flirting hard all the time with the Ukranian (and everyone else).
Suddenly new hot girl is a lesbian, starts dating one of the other young girls in the department. Short time later the girls go to HR and claim Ukranian told hot girl she just needed a good dicking.
HR says your word against his, back to work (private company, well connected, low profile) and they quit threatening to sue (they never sue). They investigated the incident, and the guy could have been fired, but they knew the girls were problems and we were better off without them.
Haven’t been there in a while and no plans to ever return…
Can’t comment on the phenomenon but I’ve always found I’ve generally gotten along better with girls who are into yoga than girls who aren’t…
This protracted exchange was illuminating. Lots of commenters live in the suburbs, or maintain suburban frame, and lots of us keep treating women as people, as in people we interact with, as in people we interact with on a level playing field, as in we keep playing Whig games by Whig rules. I think St. John’s prescription is not only correct it’s also the smartest. This is not to say you can’t find and maintain a good wife without the father and brothers involvement, but if that’s not possible, there’s probably important information about the challenge you’re taking on.
And I find the idea that one can spot virtue at a glance perplexing, given the hymen collection I put together in my teens and twenties. Femininity and desirability, at 30 paces, in seconds, absolutely. But virtue? I don’t buy it. A woman’s virtue appears to be a reflection of the man that controls her. This is frustrating for me; I’m imperfect and it’s hard enough to just try to be honest and just. It’s like men have to carry the burden of our honor and their loyalty, the weight of the past and the future. If this sounds like bitching, that’s because it is. I’ll get over it, but my word what a Blackpill. It’s almost like blackpills about women have a variable density contingent upon whatever your going through. Sometimes it’s just shame.gif. Other times, it’s Stan.trunk.
If maximum eugenic fertility is ever going to be restored in the West, women are going to look a lot more like Taliban/Puritans and a lot less like what you think is hot and feminine.
The idea is to keep people from breaking commandments, not make women look like what’s most enjoyable to you.
Guy… Sounds like she was a cluster B of some kind (NOT the much maligned BPDs who to the extent these shrink categories are accurate are actually the good natured ones).
If you try to sue a small not big asset company for sexual harassment the lawyers will laugh at you. If you run a small business and not too much in the way of assets you can sexually harass your female employees all you want
If I worked there and was single, I’d just fuck one of those girls. One of the biggest mistakes I made was passing up a young hottie at my job thinking not risking my job was more important.
Dumb corporate jobs are really not that hard to replace.
Creating an environment where a young piece of ass finds you alpha is hard to replicate and takes considerable effort.
If your job is doing that for you, might as well take advantage and use it for wife raiding purposes and then just quit if it becomes a problem.
If a girl is dressing modestly (respective to the modern woman) and has a lower notch count, that’s indicative that her father is doing a good job on her. St. John is right. They correlate.
Pooch would have gotten accused of r@p8 because he went after his office Amber Heard…
Only betas and niceguys get accused of rape.
Lol tell Mike Tyson that. You get an NPD case who wants attention you’re f#cked.
Tyson failed to continue raping.
Look i generally agree with Jim on sexual coercion but when you’re arguing that Tyson wasn’t rough and alpha enough… you’re taking it too far.
He never called her back. Betas get accused of sexual harassment. Alphas that fuck and chuck (especially Uber rich bad ass celebrity alphas like Tyson) get accused of rape. Incredibly common with athletes.
Mary, the mother of Jesus displays the apogee of mortal female virtue.
Specifically, she displays heroic obedience to God, who is the Alpha of Alphas. She knows that she is going to suffer mightily for her obedience—a bigtime hit to her social standing and probably forfeiting the marriage she had lined up, but she obeys anyway.
Heroic obedience is what female virtue looks like. Through that obedience was the Logos made flesh.
Lol you can’t disobey a direct order from God…
Loyalty is a virtue obedience to the point where its an absurdity is not.
Plenty of people disobeyed direct orders from God in the Bible. I suspect they’re still doing so even today. God doesn’t usually lightning bolt you for that. Abraham could’ve said no thanks and stayed in Ur. God usually doesn’t force people’s hand outside of a few edge cases.
The story of Job, which is a spiritually true story that likely takes a few liberties with actual history, but is set within the real places and real events of the time, so if the writer is taking a few liberties, he is basing on real events and real people, is a story of God very vigorously coercing one of his prophets to deliver the message of repentance to the Assyrians, because God cares for all peoples. The prophet did not want to deliver the message, because he very much wanted the Assyrians to get it in the nads.
We know from clay tablets that got fired, as a side effect of burning the places mentioned in the story to ground, that the Assyrians at the time were feeling rather uneasy that they might have attracted the wrath of God, and as a result their state religion lacked enforcement and self confidence. But it did not get burned to the ground until long after the time in which the book of Job was set, so maybe they did indeed repent, but repentance failed to stick.
The primary point of the story is that God would prefer you to persuade you enemies – however, he had a very different solution for Amalekites.
Tyson kicked her out right after he fucked her, IE she took it as rejection or scorn. She claimed rape exact 24 hours later, probably after she talked to her friends and having gotten very upset that Tyson didn’t call her again.
If you scorn a woman she will try to destroy you if for no other reason than to attract your attention again.
Agree that not calling or taking her calls was unwise…
Sure, women can be loyal and kind. But only to a Dark Triad bad boy. The “demon lover” archetype as I believe Jim has described him.
He has to seem very strong and very dangerous. She has to believe that if she ever left him, he would shrug and find an even hotter woman to fuck very quickly. A woman will do anything for a man like that.
As the ancestors of the modern advanced races penetrated to harsher and harsher environments, the Aryan race arose from a mingling event between the first to penetrate the harsh lands, and the second race.
The harsh lands required forethought, capital and technology – storage of food and firewood for the long and extreme winter, good clothes, and good shelter.
Mars, the harshest land yet, will breed the highest race yet, provided that they not only can create rather more advanced equivalents of shelter and clothing, but also control the means of reproduction.
The way the wind blows today, that higher race will be descended primarily from anglo whites, but a mingling event between whites and east Asians is also in the cards.
What makes you think the anglo whites will produce this higher race? The anglos appear to be amongst the most cucked of Europeans. The anglosphere is broken, with a great deal of degeneracy coming from it.
That is a reflection of state violence and terror, not innate in the people.
White Americans are the healthiest of all European populations. If the Germanic warrior conquering spirit is to live on in space, it must necessarily come from America, particularly the Anglos of the Deep South.
Of the competent personnel in the United States military, an exceedingly large percentage originate from the Deep South.
I treat my wife like a baby factory who does the laundry and she loves me the way you loved that girl.
It is foolish for men to seek Eros because female love is acquisitive. If you give a woman all your love she will discard it for another, but if you give her a drop of your love she will seek it out for the rest of her life.
The problem most men have is giving it all away too easily. There are many old stories that warn of this. Eros in men is akin to madness, an immaturity or moral failing that will destroy you. If the thought of never having eros makes you sad and depressed, wait til I tell you there is no Santa Claus, no Easter bunny, and MMT doesn’t work.
>The problem most men have is giving it all away too easily
And the problem most women have today is giving away sex too easily. Both sexes are guilty as charged.
I totally understand you position in viewing women because I view my wife the same. But I view such positions as 2 twains merely connected but never conjoined as 1 flesh.
If people marry truly to become 1 flesh there shall be no “me” and “you”. Prenup shall not exists because it manifests the idea of “me” and “you”. Husband shall be free sacrificing his entire being for his wife and his children because they are 1 being 1 flesh.
Therefore I say that men giving away to seek eros is not a problem, problem is men seeking eros from women that is not his wife.
>And the problem most women have today is giving away sex too easily
“The problem with most dogs today is that they piss in the houseâ€. The problem is with the owners. And if the sovereign power makes it illegal to be a good owner, the problem is with that sovereignty.
>If people marry truly to become 1 flesh there shall be no “me†and “youâ€
One flesh, one body still had numerous and distinct parts with disparate roles and functions. Hands do not work well as feet and feet do not work well as hands.
>Therefore I say that men giving away to seek eros is not a problem
It’s a problem because women don’t like it and men who have the aptitude to attract and keep women genuinely tend not to feel this way. You absolutely can and should love and treasure a good woman, but that doesn’t include swooning like a shy lonely boy out of an anime who has found his soulmate- those stories are written by and for beta males and they have almost no resemblance to the romance stories that women consume.
>problem is men seeking eros from women that is not his wife
If we’re taking about Valentine’s Day card floating on a cloud of roses swooning, frankly a man seeking that anywhere after they’re 16 is a problem. If you’re talking about sex, a husband having a mistress or a prostitute isn’t a particularly large problem assuming it’s an unowned woman and the husband is decent enough to keep it unseen so as to spare his wife embarrassment…that husband taking the virginity of a what would otherwise be good wife material, on the other hand, is obviously a very serious problem
“And the problem most women have today is giving away sex too easily. Both sexes are guilty as charged.”
This may well be true in Asia, Russia and Eastern Europe. In the feminist West where men are low status and women are high status this is not the problem.
They want to feel protected while at the same time feeling a sense of danger.
Anyone who’s ever takin a woman on a fast motorcycle ride can relate.
A Harley can open up new areas even for a man without gab. Get her out on the road and open it up so she clings for your protection. That thump thump of the v-twin will get her raring to go. Not talking boomer tier Harley but something with sporty lines and dangerous.
It’s not a waist if money and they hold their value.
Headline: “Newest omegatron coof variant causes infection without natural immunity*, better vax up goys!
“*based on Imperial College London study of triple shotted healthcare workers.”
Looks like the real story is clotmaxxers are mutant cripples with Acquired Auto-Immune Deficiency Syndrome.
Why is Niall Ferguson still alive?
I think he gets the Kissinger Exemption.
Kissinger is notable for being exempt for preaching sanity, Ferguson’s role is to produce insane fantastic computer models to justify insane evil.
When I say why is he still alive… I’m wondering why some random hasn’t sent him to the hell where he belongs.
Disagree. I’m not saying he’s /our guy/, but he’s probably an Elite that would comfortably and capably cross over and be productive in a neoMonarchical Occident.
Nah, Ferguson’s role is to produce insane fantastic acamdemic publications. Nobody cares about his computer models.
Why are you wondering whether he is still alive? Are there any academics adhering to the state religion that died recently of non-natural causes? I’m not aware of any.
At present, demon worshippers are at risk only from their demons.
Do clotshots count as natural or unnatural lol.
(Laughs.)
And because he married that whore Ayaan Hirsi Ali. 😐
So as far as becoming alpha, and executing your game and your mission…
I am big on the power of belief and faith. I was always very cynical and thought that stuff was gay and dorky. And eventually after listening a lot to Jordan Peterson and internalizing the red pill I started to make more sense of the world and changed my attitude about belief.
The key is, genes are expressed given environmental stimulus (if I understand that correctly). A lot (most?) are not expressed at any given time.
So if you feed yourself white and blue pills, your a christcuck. Blue and black your a leftist. Red and black your a madman.
What I do, personally to make the most of my life is give myself a steady supply of white and red. Red to stay true, white to stay healthy, stay positive and keep from demoralization and defeat.
What you tell yourself, what is in your head, will determine a lot about what genes you express. If you hate people and hate women, your going to act like that. If you can see people for what they are, and accept that they are up against the same things you are up against, you can see some good in them.
If you want a good wife to serve you and obedient kids some day, red and white pills only.
Roissy, minion of Satan, who, unlike his master, speaks the truth, correctly observed that irrational optimism will get you further than rational pessimism.
Some faiths, however, can work more impressive miracles than others.
I don’t know why you think it’s ok to just personally attack me like that.
If black pilled and red pilled, you have a problem.
I’m aware of the problem, but I’m not quite sure how to go about fixing it.
For me ending the black pill, it was halting this thinking that I wa somehow important to the grand scale of history when in reality I’m not important, you’re not important on the grand arc of history.
We are just pawns in a larger game and, like medieval peasants, we have some flexibility in terms of who is our lord. We have some flexibility in terms of our career, our job, and where we live. If you want to go into the military, USG is your lord. If you work in a corporation, that corporation in a sense you have fealty to it. You have obligations and duties to it and if you don’t fulfill them you get fired.
In medieval times, if you disobey the lord you just get executed. We have a different mechanism of social control now which is decentralized through the currency rather than through systems of pure physical punishment. In the past, they used physical humiliation, now they use doxing and shaming and so forth.
You can choose who do you want your lords to be, just as in the olden days. There were major lords and minor lords and just as you owed fealty to your local lord you also owed some fealty to the emperor or the king. There are multiple overlapping concentric circles of authority that you owe fealty to. That was true a thousand years ago, it was true five thousand years ago, it was true ten thousand years ago, it’s true today. It will be true tomorrow. It will be true as long as human beings exist.
Unless you want some pure utopia, and that’s what most people on the want at the end of the day. It’s biased shallow superficial thinking because they want to feel important and I understand that I want to feel important. I don’t like to hear this as much as you, but it’s true and so electing Trump or DeSantis in 2024 is not going to change the underlying fundamental economic, religious, philosophical, and technological incentives that make up our society. So rather than trying to change all of that, I think you have to humble yourself and you also have to understand that at the top of all these concentric circles of authority is God.
Once you accept that you are not special, you are free to become exceptional.
As a man, your primary job is head of family. You acquire a wife any way you can. If you live a righteous life, whatever faults you have, God will help carry.
I don’t think that is the problem: That is wise advice for curing depression, but it is not actually effective against the black pill, which is not quite the same thing.
Depression is a response to perceived inability to perform a high status role, and can be corrected by successfully performing a lower status role and getting appreciated for it, or, better, successfully performing the role you damned well should be performing.
But you may well genuinely have difficulty achieving the better solution, in which case there is a third solution. Make active preparation and organization for a retreat and flight to a lower status role, prep for bugout. You will then find poor performance or likely impending disaster in your high status role less stressful.
But it is not really relevant to the black pill, for which the cure is faith. Remember the wise advice of Roissy, minion of Satan: Irrational optimism beats rational pessimism. The remedy for the black pill is pretty much the opposite of the solution for depression, which is to retreat, or make preparation for retreat. The remedy for the black pill is righteously going forth with God behind you.
Knock and the door will open. Genuine inquiry leads to discovery. Acceptance and following action leads to transformation.
Red, blue, black etc., think of it as a kind of spirituality. Jim has referred to it as morality, and maybe it is that too, but for me it’s more about feelings, motivations and actions. Essentially it is your energy, your life force and what that produces.
So you have your one life to live. I don’t think about the afterlife other than what life exists after me. So I have my one life and I want to make the most out of it. So I have to get my motivation to move forward and keep it. That’s the white pill. The black pill leads to victimhood and death. The red pill is obvious, need to see reality for what it is, not what I wish it was.
So if your going to make the most of your one life, because anything else would just be a waste, you need to be alpha as far as men judge and as far as women judge. Red and white is really your only option. It will bring the best out of you, congruent with creation and your telos.
Defeated, demoralized people do not create much or any good. No motivation, no energy. So no black pill. It’s not like you have to create perfect, just make the most of what’s around you, and your capabilities and you will live a life you can be at peace with.
I’ve doubled my income since Covid started, roughly. Everyone flipped out and closed their shops and took weeks off and just generally acted like losers when the masks and things started. I didn’t change one thing about my life. I wasn’t going to accept defeat. I’ve been defeated before, many times, and it was mostly all in my head. So the irrational optimism paid off.
To overcome the black pill you have to become your own biggest fan, your own cheerleader. Even if it doesn’t seem like your getting anywhere, staying put when everyone else runs is a victory. And yeah it’s hard. It can be really hard. But not that much harder than staying defeated and demoralized.
Anyone have an idea just how leveraged the real estate market really is? https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1537495219821748227
Cannot imagine these goofballs survive too many bps. Then again, they might luck out bigly if there is no pre-even-higher-inflation market crash.
Insanely overleveraged; and also confident they will be bailed out at cuckpayer expense in the case of any bumps in the road.
Just like every other sector of finance in the GAE.
Not overleveraged at all, because by and by, the mortgagee will be happy to accept a dozen eggs in lieu of the mortgage from the mortgagor.
People who have the connections to borrow money from the fed are splurging on real estate, because they figure inflation is vastly understated, and is going to get a lot more vastly understated.
This is assuming no major hiccups on the road from inflation-is-managable to wage-goods-price-spiral. Renters cannot pay rent, or just do not exist, lower level speculators go bankrupt, debt flows up, then the printers must resume. I would call that overleveraged. Something something market stays insane longer than you can say solvent, we have major interruption in business operations all over the globe, prices are at a high variance and liable to fuck people who over levered. Crypto market has been a spiral of liquidations for some time now, each major deflation event triggering the next in a chain.
Just because the money printer is going full speed ahead doesn’t mean the bubble is stable.
Loss with reality. Renters don’t exist? We are a renter’s nation. The middle class is being rapidly priced out of home ownership.
Being overleveraged in real estate on cheap loans is exactly where you want to be right now assuming you aren’t buying in a future niggerhood (the largest risk by far), aren’t using an adjustable rate loan, and aren’t buying in a place where the local government will cap your rental rates.
Rental units are not fungible. You could buy a bunch of units in an area full of diversity or soon to be hollowed out by everyone fleeing the worst urban areas, or with no one that can afford the rates you would have to charge to profit. Good taste in properties does fix this, does not help if you chain your mortgages and suddenly the bubble pops and you get margin called.
I have no opinion on whether smartly done real estate is a good investment avenue at the moment, but high leverage investing during massive price volatility pervasive throughout the world economy seems like a bad idea. Good time to go a bit risk off.
Smart capital does not invest in niggerhoods or soon to be niggerhoods. Smart capital invests in white zip codes and there will always be high demand for housing in white zip codes as long as they stay white.
If you have white renters paying rent on your rental properties in white areas that cover your cheap low rate mortgage, you don’t care if the market crashes because it will come back up. Property in white areas are a commodity and of limited supply just like oil is a commodity and of limited supply.
If Druegger’s Human Wave Theory comes to pass, it is going to be very hard to predict where is going to be a niggerhood (top notch bantz well done) and to what degree and for how long. The negros are for the most part sedentary, as the complicated activity of driving long distances frightens them, and walking is not as fun as shucking, jiving, or aggravated assault. Nevertheless, northern urbs didn’t shit the bed themselves, so we know they can and will move, particularly if huwite wymynz start ring the gibbs bell. So it isn’t enough to just target white, wealthy people, as they are well known for putting up “Hate has no home here” and “BLM” signs quite recklessly. Of course, they don’t mean it, and would be horrified if Sha’ kwon and Sh’ boonia acme calling, but they may not realize it in time.
With infinite immigration in finite time, every neighborhood will become a niggerhood or at least a spichood or a caliphatehood, thus the donut theory of civilizational collapse.
But it is a slow process. 90% percent white areas do not become 90% non-white over night. Takes a generation or two.
Niggers frequently do drive long distances, but they drive from niggerhood to niggerhood; a small implantation of diversity in an area ensures that cousins and friends will drive their rusted-out 1996 toyota corollas hundreds of miles to sell drugs, guns, and commit petty crime in the neighborhood. Without local blacks as a port of entry however, they won’t even drive five miles to a white area.
Nonsense. When people can no longer afford their houses or rents, they downsize and get room mates. Good landlords check credit and salary for their tenants. They aren’t letting street niggers and drug addicts rent their properties.
“Good landlords check credit and salary for their tenants.”
What you are overlooking is checking credit scores and rental history are now rayciss crimes punishable with steep fines (in the “too white” city in which I formerly owned rental property).
What city? I know a lot of people with rental property. I have never heard of any city disallowing the use of credit scores for application process of rental properties.
If so, you are stupid for buying and renting property there.
“stupid”
What you are overlooking is once a city council is taken over by SJWs, it can and will change the rental “rules” overnight. If you already own property in that city, as I did for decades, you’re screwed. Which is why I got the hell out.
Yes, of course, a property owner can still legally check credit scores and rental history — but try rejecting the application of a “disadvantaged” diversity candidate for bad credit or non-payment history, and the rental code enforcers will come down on you like a ton of bricks. Which is why I got the hell out.
Yes, important to pay attention to this type of thing. I would not buy in any deep blue region for this very reason. You are likely to see rental caps there too. Ideally, you want to buying in class A areas where the niggers are priced out anyways so the credit check thing won’t even be an issue.
Broadly speaking, the smart money is investing in red and purple states and fleeing deep blue states like California (although a youtube investor I like meet Kevin does invests in California I believe).
“… important to pay attention to this type of thing. I would not buy in any deep blue region for this very reason.”
Yes. The rental property owners I know back in said city refuse to buy any property within the city limits. Suburbs and exurbs only, must be governmentally independent of marxist SJWs ruling the main metro.
This is referred to I believe as the “Doughnut hole of civilizational collapse.”
The doughnut gets eaten from the inside.
I wouldn’t say you’re screwed. Decades is a long time to hold real estate. If you see things starting to trend for the worse demographically and/or politically, sell it, scoop the cash, and allocate the capital elsewhere.
There may be a point where there will be no where else to allocate the capital because it will all look like South Africa and then yes we’ll be screwed, but not there yet.
“I wouldn’t say you’re screwed.”
I did very well and believe I got out at the right time.
– The first ten years I rented to primarily young marrieds saving up for a down payment.
– Back then, very little turnover. Couples would stay for three or four years — and plant a garden!
– Then adjustable rate mortgages were introduced and the RE bubble started to inflate.
– After down payments could be financed and fogging a mirror was the only requirement to get a mortgage, quality of tenants nosedived. Seriously, I cannot remember the last time a tenant didn’t take off with unpaid rent and utilities. Also, turnover was nearly always every year, which is very expensive.
Currently I live with my wife in an apartment. I chat often with the apartment complex manager. What an awful job she has! She says 75% of her time is devoted to documenting cause for tenant evictions.
Isn’t that assuming either will have eggs to work with? Consider the general distribution density of Americans as a whole. How does local government respond to your white 26-32s just packing up and starting to walk? Imagine a blight of millennials sweeping the coasts, beg-murdering in every town they touch.
I was thinking about this the other day: America hasn’t had an Internally Displaced Persons crisis since the 1930s. In a lot of crisis response literature, IDPs are considered to be one of the biggest factors to deal with in any kind of operations. You can get a taste of this at a significant music festival that includes camping. So long as water, noises, food and talking are free and easy, it’s a big party. It takes a few hours before the waves of freaked out people start building up. The debauchery and barbarity are significant, even when everyone knows they are only an hour walk away from their cars and “freedom.” Imagining the party atmosphere get subsumed by terror and rage is a bit chilling. I honestly don’t know which is least desirable: having to get through or out of a refugee wave, or sitting and waiting for one that is coming at you.
Maybe this is extreme or unlikely, but I just don’t see our Elites and government being able to competently engage in recovery efforts.
Quite lot of truly rich are making preparation for the Zombie apocalypse, at least around here which is as far as you can get from the centers of power without treading water, so the rich here may be atypical. Perhaps they are planning to raise chickens.
And perhaps they will ritually slaughter them chickens when Mother Government demands it, as many farms are doing now. But, your point is well made.
This is why loans for real estate EXCEPT for construction need to be banned…
Don’t forget about embedded “carry costs”: property taxes, hazard insurance, utilities, lawn care, pest control, snow removal, repairs, legal fees to evict nonpayers and destroyers, this b.s. fee that b.s. fee — all must be paid promptly out of collected rent, otherwise (been there, done it) feels like head is submerged in a toilet bowl getting cash-flow flushed down the drain.
I got out because commie city council said you will rent to diversity even if it can’t pay, and when it doesn’t pay, tough titties, rayciss.
Obviously you should only invest in properties that are located amongst a high level of homeowners, and attempt to detect vigorous race mixing policies by the authorities.
And since there is a high likelihood of a general or selective collapse in property rights enforcement (I am preparing to get less long in land, although as yet property rights remain secure outside business districts) you invest in places that have a decent social net, that can cause problem people to disappear.
Not anymore. The free money period is over. That was the case the last 2 years. The smart money is now sitting on the sidelines waiting to scoop up assets at a major discount after the crash. The bubble popping time soon approaches.
The mortgagee will also need the proper connections to keep the authorities from dumping addicts, Afghanis and negroes into his neighborhood. They may even open up bus lines just for that purpose. Reparations Express. Delivery at 7pm and pickup at midnight.
So this is getting trickier. A simple credit rating and dartboard won’t cut it anymore.
They are fine as long a they don’t have adjustable rate mortgages or are renting out in jurisdictions that are likely to enforce rental caps.
It may go like ’08. After housing collapsed, real estate was cheap even in California. Be ready to swoop after the storm.
Yes. Not the time to buy right now. The smart players are holding cash on the sideline waiting for the fire sale.
This is great! Musk fired today a bunch of woke SpaceX employees who signed a public letter criticizing his politics, calling him an “embarrassment” to the company. LOL
https://twitter.com/neontaster/status/1537788932259184640
And now the Labor Department sues him for Insufficient Leftism in the First Degree. Goddamn this is getting heavy.
@Mister Grumpus
They and what army?
The US Army, if it comes to it.
@Contaminated NEET
The US Army is getting its ass kicked.
They won’t be in a position to do anything worthwhile after losing their military superiority.
They still have military superiority over a leaderless and unorganized mob.
@jim
Nah. The US Army is going to have very little organization after it is shredded by the Russians and the Chinese (after losing military superiority). It will just be another unorganized mob. The ZOGbot families can be killed. With a little help from Russian leadership and internal marginal elites of course.
I’m sure the Chinese will have leaders in their own factions in the broken US as well.
You need to think outside the bubble of this blog. The Cathedral is not a hermetically sealed entity. Tanks are still useful. There are other powerful entities outside.
You are still awesome on formulating the Reactionary Redpill on Women. Still potent to this very day.
OK, honest question based in a hypothetical:
TX and OK make 2 announcements: they are formally withdrawing from the US based on a plebiscite they conducted and not the Constitution or Amendments or federal statute; they are declaring neutrality with the US, regulating all border traffic between the People’s Republic of Texlahoma and their 2 neighbors such that anyone can leave but no non-citizens can enter, with forceful entry being considered an act of criminality or war.
Texlahoma’s capital is San Antonio, their military is comprised of the TX and OK national guards as well as multiple regiments of militia. They have no Navy and their Airforce consists of guard unit assets and private craft. Let’s just assume most citizens are ecstatic and the ones that aren’t have left. We’ll also say that the Guard members are all loyal. They have Musk with them, but he was not involved so no secret missile defense systems or Combat Starships are immediately available. Texlahoma is recognized by Russia, India, and China, who all send peacekeepers that will arrive in 6 weeks.
Do the combined forces of Federal USA crush the neoConfederates, or are they stymied by the plucky Texlahomans until the RICs peacekeepers arrive?
Does FedUSA repel the RIC expeditionary force?
I think FedUSA would squash Texlahoma like a bug, but they’d do it with human wave assaults and massed artillery barrage, leaving them gutted and vulnerable to the RICs on land, but the Navy would force them to turn around.
The US navy will be proven irrelevant if it gets into a great power war. Until then, we are screwed.
The US government uses nukes. The nukes work and the rebels die or don’t work and the new nation’s foreign allies announce they are under their nuclear protection.
A conventional war is impossible to predict as any states leaving is going to kick off a domino effect across the rest of the country.
Irrelevant? In IEW between great powers?
Battleships and aircraft carriers do not matter if you are facing a power with hypersonic drones.
Both Texas and Oklahoma have Federal property including military bases. The Federal government would insist on having access to their property and resupplying it. A Ft. Sumter scenario would unfold. There would be confusion among the National Guard and reserves over who has command authority. The Fed would attempt to block interstate trade and conduct a propaganda campaign. Finally the Fed would provoke open hostility.
Only if they are near the HM launchers. If you park the USN on the American coastlines, you’ve basically got an IEW compliant Great Wall. Imagine the evil President Kamala Harris could do behind such a monument to cowardice and the iron rule of bureaucracy. You wouldn’t even need sailors and officers, just technicians and contractors with project managers.
It’s the false flag bait Sumterish possibilities that would screw it all up. Huge FedMil assets there. Surely including nukes.
Plus “social Sumtersâ€. Cities and regions of negroes stuck behind and surrounded by bloodthirsty Mexican white supremacist ultra MAGA KKK Russian redneck radicals, who must never be allowed to flee to Connecticut in unmarked buses in the middle of the night. Oh and they have holy tranny mascots too, like six million of them, trapped behind enemy lines without antibiotics or tranny formula.
Any such scheme would need plans for these. Good plans, announced and executed instantly. It reminds me of how Ukraine and South Africa arranged right off the bat to give their nukes away. “OK guys come get your shit. Nobody’s touching nothing.â€
Evacuation corridors for FedPets and FedStuff.
Jim pointed out earlier how Hitler blew it when he went from “Jews out†to “Jews out, but make them leave their shit at the border, no refunds.â€
Crypto-protected real time HD livestreams of nobody touching nothing on StarlinkTube.
In brief, opportunities for “Why Would XXXX Do This?†shenanigans appear to be impossible to defend against.
All they have to do is shell a FedPet neighborhood, say that the MAGA Texans did it, and rush in with cameras to harvest them for sob stories.
There’s no defense against it, besides what the Russians are doing, which is to just militarily stomp the other side to death anyway. But sympathy? Debunking? Their fair day in court? Forget it. No Nuremberg Trial before absolute victory.
Good points MG. Pre-Special Operation Druegger, the hidebound pussy, would encourage making a good faith attempt at doing the Right Thing for the right wing, but Russia’s methodology at the outset and its abject failure has put paid to that. If you’re going to go, you have to Go. No hesitation or prevarication. GNON demands that the nettle be grasped.
Texas, 2024 (colorized)
https://youtu.be/rNAnplKWNrc
So the Special Military Operation in Ukraine is really just a shit test pass. That’s what it is. The most bloody and devastating shit test pass of the 21st century. So far. If they can pull it off.
Is this really the only way to beat the lie machine? To just smash all its limbs with a huge hammer and leave it exactly in place, still lying like before, but now humiliated and helpless on the plane of raw power?
Bashar Assad’s holding on in Syria was a very respectable showing, mind you, but it was nothing like this.
The most mind blowing lies and multi-dimensional verbal attacks against them, at “11” volume, 24-7, for years straight, worldwide, and they’re just not stopping. Fuck it.
No Gentle Art of Verbal Self Defense. No footnotes. No smartly dressed and professionally lit “debates” on The Daily Wire. They’re just raping the bitch, as long as it takes, straight through to the other side, while the whole world watches. Not even “gangster”, this is “caveman” stuff.
This really is it. Talk about “Rubicons” again. Go ahead. Can you see the difference?
Trump opened a portal too, and appetizingly invited us to follow him through it, “it’ll be great,” but Putin’s dragging us through his on a chain behind a fucking tractor.
Grumpus: “This really is it. Talk about ‘Rubicons’ again.”
That’s it. The US axis’s mistake in Ukraine was putting Russia in a situation in which it was fight or die. So Russia said, “We’ve got nothing to lose; we have to cross the Rubicon.”
In retrospect 10 years from now, if the GAE faction is still around and still has two brain cells to rub together, they’ll be asking each other, “Remind me, why did we think that putting Russia in that position was a good idea?”
Oh and what’s this? Red state military bases as “Abortion Sumters”. Of course. That took what, a week?
“Hey you Army guys can’t kill babies in the Army base anymore. That’s against the law in this state, so you have to stop doing that.”
“Fuck you.”
The feds would win that case, military property is under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Local state laws do not apply to bases as far as I know.
Laws only apply against the right, never against the left. At some time, likely not too distant, are likely to not apply to anyone.
@Com, Military installations are under Federal law. UCMJ applies to military people and some others. If a dependent breaks law on installation they don’t use UCMJ, they use Federal law. UCMJ applies on or off installation for military. So there is double jeopardy. Never heard of military doctors doing abortions though. Maybe they’ll hire some civil servant abortionists for it.
“Never heard of military doctors doing abortions though. Maybe they’ll hire some civil servant abortionists for it.”
Oh please. They’ll convert them into Sacred Holy Abortion Underground Railroad Sanctuaries, with rainbow anal flags and everything. AOC will go for heroic camera angle photo-op’s, etc.
Grumpus, Are we talking future or present? At present military hospitals are divided into providers and specialty clinics. Providers are like triage and clinics are ear nose throat, physical therapy, surgery, etc. No abortion clinic though. If a member went in wanting an abortion, they would be sent off installation. If Tricare (insurance) wouldn’t cover it, they would have to pay or take it out of installation budget.
In the future, if military hospitals had a high demand for abortions, they’d make a clinic ran by an abortionist. I’m guessing a civil servant position. Some military doctor might develop a conscience later and make a ptsd claim.
VA hospitals are setup the same but using local doctors. If a disabled vet asked for an abortion, they might outsource it.
My state is anti-abortion. Only know of one abortion clinic downtown.
That assumes that the mob stays leaderless and unorganized. War is great for sorting and teaching. Someone might make a call to the Russians and request some based priests to set up an American Orthodox Church and bring some guns. I could see the Russians and Chinese sending materiel to Americans to keep Globohomo out of the rest of the world’s affairs.
This would require them to exercise more memetic sovereignty than I have been seeing.
Russia has been decisively moving in the direction of intellectual sovereignty, but China his heading back to Maoism, which is merely a heresy from nineteenth century leftism.
If someone in China has the balls to redefine communism as Han confucianism modified by Hong Kong manchesterism (old type corporate capitalism) then they would likely see us as allies. Right now, if aware of our existence, which I suspect that they are, find us horrifying.
They have been complaining vehemently about Globohomo’s persistent violation of the peace of Westphalia. Possibly that might well be enough to bring them over onto our side, even though they are likely to find us horrifying. But right now we are not the horse that they are backing. They are backing the corrupt kleptocrats, who are likely to lose power. When the kleptocrats lose power to the true believers, they may change their minds.
I am making the assumption that the radicals are going to take over, because the near left is still looking to the far left for their moral cues. No enemies to the left is going to lead to white leftist autogenocide soon enough. If the Russians and the Chinese want to keep the far left occupied in stomping out a revolution, they could send theoretical American Restorers military equipment and training the same way Globohomo does in Ukraine and Syria. They do not need to get too involved, just enough to whittle down Globohomo military assets and confine them to CONUS.
Wait, why horrifying?
Because of their roots in English nineteenth century leftism. We want to restore the social technology of 1660, plus a hearty helping of the social technology of the bronze age.
Based on population size alone, and considering the long history of Ancient China, is it reasonable to assume that there is a “Reactionary… with Chinese Characteristics” faction in the party? I am not well versed on the Chinese Society, so aplogies if this is a pointless question, but is the CCP == Chinese Elite, or are there Elites outside the party?
The reactionary faction in our elites keeps it deep underground, and if there is a similar Chinese faction, it would be hard to tell.
They are genuinely shocked to find [status claim] result in devalidation in this manner. Is this not in total accord with [state religion]? Does [target out-caste] not realize that he is dealing with his social betters? Why is he not groveling? Why isn’t everyone groveling? Incomprehensible.
Remember when the CEO of Coinbased (sic) outlawed public wokism at the company and told employees who were unhappy with the decision they were free to leave (with a severance package).
Quick web search on the Coinbase issue. Seems some employees are still at it! Albeit anonymously now.
https://fortune.com/2022/06/10/coinbase-ceo-brian-armstrong-employee-petition-remote-work
@Pseudo-Chrysostome
The Holy StarProphet (Peace Be Upon Him) does not grovel to those who commit apostasy against Holy Ad Astra.
From the apostate’s letter:
It is heresy to proclaim that there is anything more important than making humanity multiplanetary, amen.
This was a play designed to push back against Musk’s talk on free speech. The Holy Star Prophet memes on free speech are effective so they jin this up to call him a hypocrite.
Part IV of ToW piece on the Petrodollar:
https://treeofwoe.substack.com/p/running-on-empty-part-iv
I saw that. Good piece but I think he’s jumping the gun on the end of the petrodollar. Russia has impressively got off the dollar system and looks to be coming out through the other side of it for the better.
Far from certain that any other country could exit the petrodollar. India is sort of a bell-weather and is playing both sides.
When we see small countries freely exiting the Petrodollar, it is necessarily the end of America and it will be serious prepping time.
When we see small countries freely exiting the Petrodollar without consequences*
https://palladiummag.com/2018/10/11/the-lesson-that-america-did-not-learn-from-vietnam/
Relevant to the earlier discussion of ‘modern warfare’. A perpetual state of ‘not-victory’ until eventual exhaustion is the inevitable result when the prospect of war is taken on by those whose weltanschauung is implicitly or explicitly prejudiced against the principles of Right Order in the first place. One hand tries to put out the fires in the building that the other hand sets alight for burning it down.
It seems clear to me that so long as the right wing in the US bases itself on the American founding myth, it can never be reactionary.
If they think of themselves as a rebel colony to an empire, then destroying empires and kings and siding with rebels who want to fight order is part of their identity.
These people got tricked by the communist traitors in their ranks to support regimes that destroyed possible allies, because they always saw these right wing, religious, monarchical groups as against their ethos, instead their conceit was to turn every shithole into some enlightened liberal democracy. No wonder they always ended up supporting communists.
If that is your eschatology, you will make terrible friends.
Which founding myth? The one where the British tried to tax the US too hard and we beat the shit out of them over it? I like that myth, warns shitheads to keep taxes low which lead to a great deal of good before FDR. Every country has multiple founding myths and it quite easy to exchange a bad one for a good one.
Our problem is a lack of a strong faith to fight against the woke faith.
The colonial rebels were communists that didn’t want to contribute to empire yet demanded the fruits thereof. They didn’t win a war, they were handed a victory by Whig parliamentarians and Generals. The foundational myth espoused by the Right is literally the rotten core from whence grows the cuckold position the outer party continues to inhabit. Every time a conservative praises the foundering fathers, criminals and scum to a man, the original Whig laughs and laughs and laughs.
No shit sherlock, that’s why we call it a myth. The actual truth is typical communist bullshit where the people who didn’t go along with the American traitors where tortured and burned alive by the so called patriots who stole their stuff.
The fact remains that we need a state religion and a founding myth that works. Telling people that their forefathers were criminals scum means that they’re criminal scum too. That’s a non starter.
Myths should be based on reality, but with a useful frame rather than the typical communist/Whig/Puritan one.
Besides the unitarianism, I have not found a good reason to dislike Jefferson
Random selections:
《 This unfortunate difference of color, and perhaps of faculty, is
a powerful obstacle to the emancipation of these people. Many of
their advocates, while they wish to vindicate the liberty of human
nature, are anxious also to preserve its dignity and beauty. Some
of these, embarrassed by the question; “What further is to be done
with them? ” join themselves in opposition with those who are
actuated by sordid avarice only. Among the Romans emancipation
required but one effort. The slave, when made free, might mix
with, without straining the blood of his master. But with us a
second is necessary, unknown to history. When freed, he is to be
removed beyond the reach of mixture》
Notes on Virginia
《I fear from an expression in your letter that the people of Kentucké think of separating, not only from Virginia (in which they are right,) but also from the confederacy. I own I should think this a most calamitous event, and such an one as every good citizen on both sides should set himself against. our present federal limits are not too large for good government, nor will the increase of votes in Congress produce any ill effect. on the contrary it will drown the little divisions at present existing there. our confederacy must be viewed as the nest from which all America, North & South is to be peopled. we should take care too not to think it for the interest of that great continent to press too soon on the Spaniards. those countries cannot be in better hands. my fear is that they are too feeble to hold it them till our population can be sufficiently advanced to gain it from them peice by peice. the navigation of the Missisipi we must have. this is all we are as yet ready to receive.》
https://tjrs.monticello.org/letter/76
Woodrow Wilson was also a klansman; the structural imperatives of their belief systems inevitably overcame their unprincipled racialisms, in any case.
It was clear to Caesar that he could not fight Pompey under the banner of the old Kings of Rome. He was to be the freely elected Consul being illegally prevented from entering the election by Pompey, the enemy of democracy.
Of course, by that time elections were farcical, so this was a distinction with small difference from becoming King, which difference became considerably slighter after the murder of Caesar, but for a very long time, the pretense was maintained, and everyone who knew what was good for them pretended to believe, that being the state religion.
Back when the communist party of China had the most capitalist ideology and program in the entire world, it said that socialism is what the party says it is. Well, in America, the Republic will be what the officially official state Church says it is.
But this entails ruling by official lies, which is poison, so pretty soon the official Church should stuff that behind the water heater in the basement, and then disown it. Having capitalism by lies in China is now coming back to bite them, and having Kingship by lies is going to bite us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kugiufHh800
In a moment of serendipitous synchronicity, i happened to find myself crossing over a video featuring everyone’s favorite crypto-fascist, where he just so happened to discuss the story of Arjuna and Krishna on the field.
I’ve mentioned before that a great deal of the ‘purpleness’ in 20th century Continental discourses was in fact a form of preemptive defense mechanism, by notables in the academies against being whacked by their ‘fellow travelers’ with charges of heresy. Zizek is a man who you could say has elevated this art to a sublime degree; dancing right up to the edge of sense in a way that allows his interlocutors to read what they want into it the rest of the way. This not only afforded him the ability to find regard on all sides, it also allowed him the ability to tactically redefine himself as needed against social attack – a most supremely important attribute given the circles of ‘friends’ he traffics in.
Even the artfully sloven (or should we say, Slovenian?) appearance, behavioral tics, accentuation, all come together as part of the theatrical appearance. The offering of the man himself as something that can be seen one way or another all at once; a ideologue to be taken seriously; a harmless crank that can be safely dismissed; an extended status accessory as someone you present yourself as ‘getting’, to signal your in-group membership with the cool bohemians club. In short terms, one of the finest court jesters of the age.
Speaking of metairony
https://palladiummag.com/2022/04/01/palladium-is-now-templeos/
The Cathedral just wants a monopoly on Genocide, Yawn!
Saint John in a state of Holy Anger? Wonderful!
Next time the topic of Krishna arises, I am going to post an article, with a title something like “Hinduism is no good as a state religion because of severe demon infestation”, with the actual fascist crime thoughts hidden behind Slavoj Žižek’s crypto fascist thoughts in plain view.
At 14:10 “you need something like a religion to make good people do bad things”. No. You need something like a demonic religion to make good people do bad things. And this crypto fascist has been deniably telling his audience of literal or metaphorical demon worshipers that the faith of the Cathedral is something very like a religion.
The video is titled the “The desert of post ideology”, but he only pretends to comply with the official faith that demon worship is not an ideology. His starting ramble about Gangnam Style is telling his audience that they believe in an ideology, and when he transitions to Krishna and Arjuna at 15:24 he is explaining why this is the demon Krishna teaching demon worship to Arjuna
Using language carefully self censored to pass in Harvard, he is telling his audience that they are demon worshipers.
@Jim:
“…that the faith of the Cathedral is something very like a religion.”
This very point really is the key to understanding everything else, to the point that I’m honestly shocked by how little it’s voiced out loud.
It reminds me of Archie Bunker’s line that religion is “believing something you know isn’t true.” The woke are probably more correct than the mainstream here, now that I think about it, in that a religion isn’t a “religion” if you genuinely believe it, or if it can burn your house down and castrate your kids if you don’t act like you believe it.
What do you think is at the core of our collective reticence to recognize Cathedral Wokeness as a competing religion, and even edgycons’ (Tucker, etc) reluctance to call it that?
When Harvard was the Vatican of New England, it had absolutely no problems in calling its faith Christianity, although it was seriously postChristian. But it still plausibly claimed to worship God, though clearly Jesus the Jewish community organizer had been demoted. In their eyes he pointed the way to reforming and advancing the law of God, but they had reformed it a lot further, and found him something of an embarrassment.
After the war of Northern Aggression, by right of conquest, they were now the Vatican of the (forcibly) United States. Before the war of Northern Aggression people said “the United States are …”. Now, with single, forcibly imposed state religion, they said “the United States is …”
But the bit in the constitution said that there shall be no unitary state religion, which was in practice always understood to mean that each state had the right to its own state religion, was an embarrassment. So they reinterpreted it to mean no state religions at all, and defined themselves as not a religion.
There’s just no beating interpretational drift, is there? No magic words that keep their meaning, through centuries, all by themselves. Especially with force of law behind them.
Because of creative interpretational drift, legalism does not work. Solution: Give up on legalism.
Written constitutions are not, in fact very useful. A constitution, to work, has to be a record of the consensus of the elite. And suppose that consensus changes at alarming frequent intervals for wicked reasons?
Well, you need a virtuous elite with respect for Chesteron’s fence and awareness of deep history, without which no piece of paper will be much use, and with which no piece of paper will be needed.
For a constitution to be useful, whether written or unwritten, you need an elite that knows history and can think itself into their predecessors shoes.
Also you need an elite that actually cares about what the people who wrote that constitution meant, rather than seeing being “in power” as a blank cheque to do whatever the hell they like.
I watched the full 2 hours, including the stupid and thankfully short Q&A.
St. John’s “finest court jesters of the age” and Jim’s take are spot on.
Zizek is speaking to a roomful of leftist prog priests and sticking his finger in the eye of their core beliefs, nearly calling them to their face unwitting holiness-spiraled totalitarian zealots — and getting away with it!
@ jim
out of curiosity
what is the demonic teaching Krishna told to Arjuna ?
a simple search show Arjuna had cold feet when he saw his family and friends in the enemy army, krishna told him that nothing really matter in the grand of things and it is your destiny to fight and win. which seem straight forward. is it demonic because
he is fighting his family and friends? despite them allying with the enemy.
It is a general purpose justification for doing horrible things that normal men find extremely disturbing.
How do you get into a war with your nation, your tribe, your friends and your family? The correct response is not moral detachment, but to think about how things got so horribly wrong.
Its a form of spirituality that detaches you from your innate decency. Comes from demons, whether they be real or metaphorical.
Circumstances might well arise in the very near future where we are at war with with those close to us, but should those circumstances arise, spiritual detachment is utterly wrong, and would make our conduct in that war utterly wicked.
The same deeds would have a different moral significance if we did them out of spiritual detachment from the world that we are acting on.
Spiritual detachment from this world may well be good and holy if you are a hermit in hut in the wilderness living on locusts and wild honey, but is totally evil if you are acting in the world doing things that other people will not necessarily like. Especially if you are doing things that kin and friends may not like.
Spiritual detachment from locusts and wild honey may well enable one to get closer to the divine.
Killing in righteous wrath may well be good. Killing in righteous holy wrath is holy. Killing in spiritual detachment is demonic spirituality.
Maybe Arjuan needed to kill friends and kin. But he should not have been doing so in spiritual detachment. The detachment makes the killing wrongful.
Some further notables.
43:00~
The output of polygon organs (eg hollywood) are suffused with the motivation of its faith (even more-so than officially tolerated mcchurches). ‘We have no right to dismiss this as simple commercial manipulation’.
Also includes a discursion on how open delineation of boundaries allows for greater autonomy (the Paternal archetype) than superficially permissive yet intrusive ‘mandatory hedonism’ moonlighted by social regimentation.
53:05~
Do not doubt that people can act with full earnestness in the service of demonic forces (incidentally talmudism is about how to be an effectual demon worshiper). ‘This obscene dimension of the scared is returning more and more violently in our experience’.
57:20~
The socialist state (of North Korea) is spiritually matriarchal, and presents itself as a divine mother taking care of the infantile citizenry.
I have too much A.D.D. to watch this guy long enough to comprehend and understand wtf he is talking about. LOL.
I tried him around a year ago and within the first two minutes he made an argument presupposing that a. Covid was a big deal b. that the lockdowns were effective and necessary and c. The problem was people being unwilling to go along with what was obviously the government looking out for their interest and so wrote him off as another Chomsky tier oxygen thief. Is he actually based?
“I tried him around a year ago and within the first two minutes he made an argument presupposing that a. Covid was a big deal b. that the lockdowns were effective and necessary”
That is all you need to know about someone…
“Is he actually based?”
Having believed in Covid proves you are AT BEST a gullible fool.
The theophany of Branch Covidianism was a moment where The Power came down with totality, and none who are namefags could resist is gravity. Observe namefag yarvin, who preached the reasonableness of treating things with ‘an abundance of caution’, and of how ‘a *real* society, unlike this whiggish parody, would be able to handle this serious disease properly’.
Zizek is a weird dude. If it ever came out that he lurks this blog, I’d not be too surprised. His speech impediment mixed with his Marxist cant create a slavish slurping under which thoughtcrime can cavort with common knowledge. He has a debate with Jordan “Sort oot yer lobsters” Peterson that’s pretty interesting. I’m not terribly impressed with Marxist academics, but he does seem to be less derivative than his peers.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/484/209/3b1.png
St. Anglin contemplates our fallen God Emperor:
https://stormer-daily.rw/trump-warns-of-world-war-iii/
[…]
“Although it could possibly be that the US is so completely wrecked by 2024 that World War III is impossible – in which case it would also probably be possible for Trump to win the election, frankly. If the dollar collapses, the military collapses, the whole government is going to be a limping shell, and they’re just simply not going to have the ability to do all of these horrible things they’ve been doing. Lots of the top Jews and homos will flee to New Zealand or whatever. The fact that Ivanka threw Trump under the bus implies that if he ever was able to get back in power, he’d behave in a significantly less Jewish manner.”
[…]
“Point being: if we’re still having a debate about whether or not we should do World War III, meaning that the dollar has not collapsed and caused the US military to collapse, Trump has zero chance. If the main debate is instead about, you know, not having electricity or food, hyperinflation, roving bands of negro youth slaughtering families, then Trump will probably be able to win, just because the machine won’t have the power anymore.”
[…]
“It’s a mixed bag, but not bad. He’s definitely not shilling vaccines anymore.”
As we move towards high summer, the plants my woman dutifully birthed and cultivated begin to bear fruit. Even as the moisture laden heat envelopes my land, we begin to make plans for the cooling of Fall, carefully counting seeds and weighing and measuring the death soaked dirt that gestates our food. The storms conspired to kill our corn, but God offers shelter from the calamitous winds of change and uncertainty. Harvest will come, and the sewing of cold weather crops, the hardy and strange, and the fragile delicates cached away in the greenhouse, will rise renewed as their feckless spring fellows wilt and fall.
It’s an old magik, a deep magik, the humble glow of a light fantastic. Easy to see but hard to hold, the endless dance of the new and the old. You get lost in the weeds when you sew and grow, taking as a given this give and take. Seeds from forever show up in the mail, from the truck in a box to a hole in the ground, creeping sunward slowly, then suddenly stooped. Plucked, shucked, and boiled, then turned into soup. Imagine this magik as an everyday thing, every man a farmer, every woman a mother. There’s a simple Certain that we traded for ease, and hedonic pursuit breeds uncertainty unbounded.
Trump may be a fool, but so too am I. Can the fool make a change and again become wise? Some mistakes are so big, their consequences a dye. They straighten,c onstrain, and stain what’s inside. It’s easy to believe you’re the center of your life, but you’re just another plant, one of many in line. You grow ever upward, and in fullness of time, you bring forth your fruit, then you wither and die. So the best I can do is learn from mistakes. Letting go of the past, resting full in His grace.
Schizopoetry: where cringe meets contemplation.
Very nice.
This current mainstream fetishization of the word “science” is starting to get to me. I’ve been around for a long time and I don’t recall the word “science” being used as a verb until relatively recently. Example, a recent tweet on the Webb telescope.
I see it everywhere now by the media organs and it’s driving me crazy. It’s like their pushing this “enlightenment rationality” theme to the max.
Ask them where does science come from and watch their head explode.
Reminds me of the 90s cartoon Spiderman TV show for kids. Science was a used verb all the time. Of course that was a kid’s show… kind shows the level at which most of this shitheads are at. Science is a cargo cult that the natives worship as a god.
I absolutely hate it. The fetishization and politicization of science has escalated to a ridiculous level lately and it has left me disgusted.
I originally wanted to become a scientist myself, though I feel quite disillusioned.
There’s also a sort of reaction from some right wing circles now where they just deny science entirely, and claim it was never accurate or honest. Which is one of those memetic dead-end ideas people here talked about.
In fact it can include some of those particular memetic dead end ideas, including denying heliocentrism or evolution entirely.
It isnt nothing new. Marx pretend that his ideas were scientific.
Say something nice about Jordan Peterson, maybe he’ll credit you the next time he drops by for ideas:
https://youtu.be/ayWyzvo9SNY
Plenty of people make their bread and butter by taking our ideas and watering them down for mass, public consumption.
(It goes without saying — OF COURSE — that we’ll have to purge/disenfranchise those people eventually.)
If they are twisting Jimian Christianity for evil purposes, sure. But why purge/disenfranchise people inclined to carry our message to a wider audience? We may need to correct translation errors and clarify ambiguities, of course.
LOL. excellent.
Well, I do get jittery, perhaps a little too jittery, with anticipation whenever the topic of Minesweeper comes up. (Which isn’t exactly ideal — because it is often that a more… balanced approach yields superior results. The carrot rather than the stick, etc.).
But in this case your post reminded me of certain groups of former self-professed rightists now on the take with Globohomo. (Or on the take withh Globohomo-adjacent forces — it’s really difficult to tell from a distance.)
Checking both the old and new testaments, we find that both Moses and Jesus recommended a policy of tolerance and encouragement for people who were preaching something like their faith, but not actually their faith, to those outside the faith.
And, checking both the old and new testaments, we find that as soon as those faiths had some success, people started preaching something like their faith, but not actually their faith, to those inside the faith, whereupon Moses and the apostles applied a vigorous policy of intolerance.
I believe Jesus said something along the lines of: ‘if his heart is in the right place, and he is not causing trouble, let him do his thing.’
Which implies that if the heart is in the wrong place and starts causing a bunch of trouble that can’t be ignored, vigorous policy of intolerance. Moses slaughtered thousands of his own tribe for worshipping false gods. (Com, notice the manner in which Moses handled himself. He said, ‘hey guys, I’m totally gone for a couple of days I trust you to not misbehave.’ Came back, they were grossly misbehaving, and thus gave Moses an excuse to commit genocide in a Christian manner. Moses undoubtedly knew many of them were troublemakers from way before, but he waited for the right opportunity.)
In Peterson’s case, I find it a bit hard to discern where his heart is at. He speaks plainly about transgender surgery, but not so plainly about women. But, he is not causing any trouble for us.
JBP drives men towards us. This alone makes him useful.
The WQ is the hardest pill to swallow and keep down. After all these years and thousands upon scores of thousands of words, many regulars here still harbor blue pill fragments. Every facet of our society is constructed to lie about race and sex, because the Cathedral ceaselessly seeks to immanentize something so wrong, so fake, so obviously incorrect. They start with kids that are pre-verbal and non-ambulatory, and continue up to the literal eulogy. They do this because it contravenes reality, such that a thousand hours of social programming on equality can be undone by 5 minutes of conversation, or 5 seconds of interaction. But all those hours stack up and stick around. It forms a sort of false conscience, a second and sinful still, small voice, ceaselessly whispering: it can’t be all women, surely not all negros, etc.
A great example of this, and an area in need of more memetic attention, is in the whole Tranny Cult and Drag Queen Story Hour thing. Bluepilled conservatives are losing their minds (rightfully) about this while failing (inexcusably) to ask: Who is bringing these children to these events? Who are the ones pushing children into hormonal and genital mutilation from ages where the human memory has hardly even begun to form?
It’s not the trannies and queers themselves (yet) but the mothers – spooky child-sacrificing Queen of the Night-style mothers – who bring their young to the temples of these new gods, whether directly by placing their severed organs upon the altars or implicitly by allowing them to get lost in the sacrificial labyrinth of public schools.
The right needs to start talking way, way more about the wicked mothers behind all of this, not just allowing but actively encouraging it to happen.
JBP was on my path here, and much of my internal dialogue and model was built from watching his lectures and podcasts.
The problem is deeper than the cathedral. It starts with boys being taught and disciplined by their mothers. Many men grow up and disregard their mothers opinion, but many more do not. Many keep seeking out validation from women, teachers, girlfriends/wives etc. It’s a never ending problem.
Huh so we actually do have a JPB–>Jim pipeline. Lol.
Cathedral media is a torrent, so any type of resistance creates eddies and and pressure differentials. If JBP is supposed to trap minds and prevent them from going down a redpill path, he’s failing horribly. Notice how the critique he gets from our sphere is how he’s not going far enough, not covering enough, leaving important things unspoken. As opposed to, he’s saying the wrong things (I know there’s contention on this point).
Lord Thundercock’s “Dunbar Matrioshka” system is incredibly powerful and not at all constrained to social networks. It applies to memeplexis and information sources as well. JBP is not within the BJC/DailyStormer/??? set. It’s probably not even adjacent, but it is downstream, and that stream is continuous though obstructed, meaning barriers must be circumvented with skill or luck. You don’t need to jump to a non-contiguous DM set to get from JBP to BJC. With a high enough IQ, you could go straight to Jung from JBP and land on Jim, though I think the usual route is probably more circuitous.
I don’t like how his daughter is thotting all over the place. Otherwise, sure, happy to see people matruschka their way over here.
Again, we see the primacy of the WQ. As well, we see that no amount of intellect or analysis will save you from the consequences of female emancipation. I can almost guarantee you that her heart is in the right place. I bet she’s breddy smarb too. But bother brain and heart stand squarely behind her vagina when it comes to making decisions. The irony of course is that JBP knows this, but by marrying himself to the Rationalist Wing, he does not get to use the “Obey me, thot; our God commands it” framework. So he engages in a discussion amongst equals; the poisoned fruit.
I know nothing about JBP. Have not watched more than 2 seconds of him, but if he is speaking out against feminism, even gently, then I tend to think he’s more with us than against us. Feminism is the root of all evil.
Does he? Or does he act as a gatekeeper to keep his fans from tuning into ‘real womanhaters’ like us? Do we have anyone here who started out with JPB and ended with Jim?
I don’t know the answers to these questions. He is probably useful on the whole. Might be more useful down the road, might be more obstructive down the road. Might just produce the same low information/noise ratio that men in his position tend to produce.
I listened to him on Rogans podcast about 6 years ago or so. Started turning my life around immediately, ended up here.
I’ve gone through his maps of meaning lectures and biblical lectures a couple of times each. I always learn something new when I do.
Hes not really a big dominant figure, but he has a lot of courage and he gives that away when he talks, and I think that’s what men are getting from him that they are not getting elsewhere.
He’s really good to give to your blue pilled normie friends. I’ve got a bunch of friends that follow him now, and my conversations with them have lead to more reactionary conversations.
Upon few minutes reflection I can say that I started with JBP. He was the first time I had ever heard of the Soviet gulag which just goes to show you how bad history in public schools is. Heard plenty about the Holocaust and slavery but nothing about the Soviets, Khmer Rouge, or any Marxist violence which would put even the fake 6 million Jew death toll to shame. JBP accidentally redpills people just by talking basic history.
Peterson is good because he was clearly striving after truth, and in the process explained a lot of old philosophies and myths to young people who had only heard critical analysis of their strawmen. He also has a decent model of consciousness, not explanatory, but how it functions on a large scale in a human. At some point he hit a wall, there’s a famous video of him saying “I can’t go there”when asked a question about the Holodomor and the Jews’ role in it (maybe a Soros shill there damning the Jews’ by omission), but I think more that he can’t face his weaknesses as a man himself, there’s clearly something off with his daughter… and he’s definitely an overly emotional attention seeker who likes to dress up in fancy suits.
Anyway point is he was a stop on the road to radicalization for me I suppose. Although I was always much further to the right than him I did find him before finding this place and got deep into his stuff for a while.
His liberal values are causing him some problems. It’s like he’s trying to have his cake and eat it too. And he’s a boomer, subject to the same conditioning as every other boomer.
You can tell he’s under a lot of stress when he talks with guys like Sam Harris. It’s not that he’s not smart enough. He’s just trying to make things compatible, that are not compatible.
It’s funny because he’s really knowledgeable on things like alcoholism and addiction, but it seems like he doesn’t really understand spirituality in practice. There seems to be this disconnect as far as his own self awareness.
It seems like he’s a guy that’s trying to be too many things at once that are in conflict with one another. Eventually crime stop kicks in and prevents him from potential growth.
If he fully embraced straight white male patriarchy and all that that entails and ditched all that other crap things would clear right up for him. I think he’s too afraid to do it because nazis.
I can’t find the clip now (youtube search seems very good at hiding thoughtcrime), but Peterson was the first person I heard suggest that women want rapefugees to be let in precisely because they will rape them and put them in their place, and that “western” men just weren’t doing it for them as we’d become too unwilling to do the needful.
He apparently hasn’t said it since, so likely deems it too dangerous, but I don’t think that’s very good gatekeeping.
A deeper dive into the Russnet through online translate for those of the autistic persuasion.
PATRIOTIC DISSIDENTS
On the current economic forum in St Petersburg
https://katyusha.org/ekonomika/vse-idet-po-shvabu.-pmef-2022-den-vtoroj.html
Article on a congresswoman trying to push through clotshots for kids and pregnant women
https://katyusha.org/semya/250072-narod-protiv-ostaninoj-vsled-za-yuvenalshhinoj-dama-iz-kprf-vyistupila-zastrelshhiczej-kovid-privivok-dlya-malyishej-i-beremennyix.html
Criticism of Russian court which gave back to an Australian lesbian couple the child of a Russian father
https://katyusha.org/semya/605063-demokratiya-po-shvabu-otcza-lishayut-roditelskix-prav-za-otkaz-pokazyivat-filmyi-pro-lesbiyanok-a-rossijskaya-sudya-pomogaet-avstralijskim-izvrashhenczam.html
Article on the looming digitalization of higher educational documents as another step down the slippery slope to globohomo
https://katyusha.org/obrazovanie/vse-prava-tolko-v-esia-pravitelstvo-gotovitsya-lishit-shkolnikov-i-studentov-bumazhnyix-dokumentov-ob-obrazovanii.html
On the world economic situation, Ukraine, Taiwan
https://katyusha.org/vojna/mir-poshel-vraznos-obval-ryinkov-zapada-svo-kitaya-vojna-za-egejskoe-more-i-poslavshij-zapad-lesom-tegeran.html
On globohomo pederasty propaganda in some new Russian kids book
https://katyusha.org/obshhee-delo/rosmolodezh-ne-protiv-prodvizheniya-pederastii-v-literature-i-detskix-lageryax.html
Fringe dissident stuff on the kung-flu, vaccines, and everything else
http://xn--80aesfpfapfkv.ru-an.info/
SEMI-MAINSTREAM PATRIOTIC DISSIDENTS
On Russia exiting the international higher education system and going to back to some mix of Soviet and Tsarist norms
https://tsargrad.tv/articles/imperija-nanosit-otvetnyj-udar-universitety-vernutsja-k-dorevoljucionnoj-sisteme_567210
On gas-flow diplomacy
https://tsargrad.tv/articles/russkij-plan-kot-leopold-gazovyj-kapkan-dlja-evropy-zahlopnulsja_567243
On the looming artificial food scarcity in the USA
https://tsargrad.tv/articles/strannye-sovpadenija-ssha-reshili-umorit-sebja-golodom_567408
On breaking off cultural exchange with the USA
https://tsargrad.tv/articles/bolshomu-bratu-dveri-zakryty-rossija-razorvala-memorandum-o-vzaimoponimanii-s-ssha_558663
On fifth-columnists in the Russian scientific establishment
https://tsargrad.tv/articles/nad-laborantami-kollaboranty-russkuju-nauku-zahvatyvaet-pjataja-kolonna_561230
MAINSTREAM
Lithuania is trying to strangle the Kaliningrad enclave
https://vz.ru/politics/2022/6/18/1104625.html
(BTW if they provoke Putin to do a mirror move of 1939 Hitler – forced land corridor to reach the exact same piece of “Eastern Prussiaâ€, this would be peak clown world times a hundred)
Playfully skeptical article on Putin’s new speech
https://www.kp.ru/daily/27407.5/4604381/
On the ability of the Russian economy to withstand sanctions pressure by economic sector
https://special.kommersant.ru/import/?utm_source=kommersant&utm_medium=partner&utm_campaign=subimport
FEMALE STUFF
6 lifehacks for women for stable relationships
https://www.womanhit.ru/psychology/on-i-ona/2022-06-17-6lajfhakov-dlja-teh-kto-neumeet-stroit-otnoshenija/
The coming sanctions-related famine of botox and sheit
https://www.womanhit.ru/health-and-beauty/face/2022-06-14-buduschee-bjuti-industrii-podpolnye-kosmetologi-seryj-rynok-preparatov-inadezhda-nakoreju/
Idaho is falling. Its housing prices have skyrocketed and it has become one of the top 20 most expensive states to live in now. The Dakotas and Montana are not far behind.
Can those of you who are still overly soft and merciful when it comes to leftist agree on one particularly loathsome variety that needs to go. The ones who insist that high gasoline prices have nothing to do with the policies and actions of the Biden administration.
I have a DEEP hatred and loathing for this particular variety of leftist I think I hate them the way I hate trannies…
I sympathize with those hating the leftists who want to rise gas prices. Those leftists often want people to eat bugs. They want to rot the body. My good fortune means I don’t have to suffer that indignity so my priorities are likely different from those who cant. I still believe they have to be persecuted.
That said I’m far more bothered by the trannies. They are the ones who want me to participate in pointing at a deer and calling it a horse which rots the soul.
Rotting the Soul is far more insidious than rotting the body.
So the Texas GOP just passed a pretty based platform (https://texasgop.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/6-Permanent-Platform-Committee-FINAL-REPORT-6-16-2022.pdf. It explicitly reasserts Texas’s right to secession in section 33:
Seeing as how Texas is a major counterweight to leftist aims on a national scale, would we wholeheartedly welcome Texan secession, or hope to hold onto them as a prime ally for reaction on a national scale? Also, what would secession mean for a post-Texas USA, which would be even more leftist than before on the whole?
Platforms get routinely ignored. They are just intended to re-assure the faithful. Cuckservatives will enthusiastically vote for them without a second thought in conference, and then utterly ignore them in the legislature and their offices.
The platform is a re-assertion of the old faith of the Republic, Nature’s God. Which has a whole lot in common with reaction. But subsequent developments were a result of the bad seed in that old faith. And this old faith, though an enormous improvement on its degenerate successors, is not a viable faith in a time of decadent elites.
The way forward is Christian National Capitalism, which we can see taking root among the Ultra Maga insurrectionists in the Republican Party, one of whom was recently arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to prevent his election being stolen.
I don’t think secession can happen. The fundamental underlying incentive behind secession of the Civil War was economic, not religious or social.
The aristocracy of the self-sufficient agrarian slave economy South was going to lose a lot of money by freeing their slaves and were incentivized heavily to resist the immediate transition to an industrialized economy and society.
We don’t have these regional economic dynamics at play anymore in the US. The US is uniformly a post-industrial society, so I think secession is not in the cards.
What about oil though? The Federal green cult regulations treaten to eventually cut off the Texas economy which is oil dependent.
A more realistic route is to effectively if not actually secede via asserting constitutional 10th Amendment rights. Actual secession is unlikely, but if they simply cease paying attention to/enforcing undesirable federal laws they could eventually become sovereign in everything but name.
This could be an effective strategy for red states going forward. Or in fact all states, leading to federal devolution. Blue states are already making moves like this with their “sanctuary state” rhetoric and legislation.
If enough states start simply ignoring the federal government, their resources for enforcement will start to be spread thin and could at least dilute their power.
The problem is the oil industry is dominated by large globocorps controlled by the national elite.
It’s not like there is a localized Texan aristocracy who do the drilling in via mom and pop small business. The corporations do it all, which differs the situation of the Confederate South significantly.
This may not actually be the case for drilling and prospecting, but it does seem to be the case for refining.
Walmart controls a lot of markets for goods, but that doesn’t mean smaller businesses are extinct. It’s just that they can’t compete in the current configuration.
The rapidly diminishing small business owners exist but they are not elite. Middle class.
If the elite had their druthers, would put all small business out of business and replace them with globocorps. A lot of their decisions, when viewed through this lenses, makes total sense including black violence and the raising of gas prices. Small businesses just represent money the elite haven’t stolen yet.
The oil industry is not producing because of Biden and his administration. People who blame the oil companies should be executed immediately. The economic elite are not by and large speaking the Great Reset elite (though there are people like Bill Gates). If they were Trump’s economic policies wouldn’t work.
Unrelated and irrelevant to the conversation.
The discussion is not about the oil industry producing or not producing. It is about who controls the oil industry, a local regional Texan elite or the national US elite.
No single entity, or even a score of entities, controls the oil industry. So many faults from top to bottom. Cathedral propaganda terms is relevant to this discussion, because they maintain the lie that some cabal of wealthy white men in a hidden boardroom full of cigar smoke are making all the decisions. I’d go as far as saying no single Major could solo a Discovery to Delivery. Literally hundreds of companies, consultancies, and contractors are necessary throughout the entire process. Refining is the one category wherein direct control is exerted by the Majors and/or governments.
It’s long been known the large globocorps collaborate and collude with each other, with the political ruling class providing legal and political protection for their oligopolies.
In fact, members of the political families sit on their boards. I see no meaningful distinction between the globocorps and the elite. It’s the same class of people.
The oil corporations are outer party through and through. Biden attacking the oil industry is just inter-Uniparty conflict.
The inner party attacking the outer party, which differs significantly the situation of the Civil War where you had two sets of regional elites with two completely separately ways of life and culture.
Refineries are custom made as enormous one off jobs. We need a Musk who mass produces refinery components that fit into a container, and can be bolted together on site with the minimum of fuss, the way Musk mass produces rockets.
Mass production of mass production capability is the next industrial revolution. Housing and offices should be built out panels that fit inside a shipping container. But mass production of early twentieth century high tech components, such as refinery components, is likely to give better return on investment. Housing benefits less.
Its very relevant to the conversation, yes the government elite is sabotaging oil production. Ron Klain controls the oil industry more than anyone rught now…
Respectfully, this is accepting an enemy frame. “Those greedy slavers just want to keep their plantations!”
The south always understood this as a Holy War, understood this as a massive centralization of power in the land, from state executives to federal executives. If you scratch lightly at the rhetoric of the time, this becomes clear.
Reasoning aside, I agree with your assertion. Secession largely cannot happen because we are now a fractal mess of tribal alliances with an overarching, largely enemy, mono-culture. It is simply unthinkable for too many people, and the logistics are too insurmountable, and the resulting retaliation would be too ferocious to withstand for any singular state. Perhaps in the future, when things become so much worse economically, and when the commies cannot keep it in their pants and have bee ell em squads bussed into previously remote white neighborhoods under protection of federal agents, this will be reconsidered. Then again, the answer will just as likely be to take the crown instead of break the kingdom.
The transition of the agrarian slave plantation society to an industrialized society meant the status and fortunes of the hereditary Southern aristocracy would go down the drain. The Southern gentlemen/belle Gone With the Wind society derives from this old now extinct southern elite class
The Southern elite never understood the Civil War as a Holy War. If it did, would have ordered the Army of the Potomac to march on Boston and destroy Harvard, burning down every Unitarian Church on the way there, after the rout of the Union Army at the First Battle of Bull Run.
It is precisely this reason why the South lost. Failed to understand they were in a total holy war with the heretical North.
That’s my understanding as well. Once again, the eternal reason the right has been losing to the left: the right fights a rational war, the left fights a holy war.
he Southern gentlemen/belle Gone With the Wind culture*
“The transition of the agrarian slave plantation society to an industrialized society meant the status and fortunes of the hereditary Southern aristocracy would go down the drain.”
It is my understanding the South doesn’t have good sites for water power so had to wait until electricity before they could build up industry.
“It is precisely this reason why the South lost. Failed to understand they were in a total holy war with the heretical North.”
The South didn’t understand politics. They were fine with immigration despite the fact immigrants went primarily to the North. Even without a conflict with the North this would mean over time they gradually lose out as the North gains move weight in congress and the electoral college.
It is worse when you realize they banned the importation of slaves in 1808 in part because that would drive up the value of existing slaves. Banning adding more free labor through immigration accomplishes the same thing!
The Southern elite imho reacted to the Lincoln election with incredible stupidity. Lincoln was not fanatically holy, he was a free soiler he had zero plans to take the slaves of planters in the existing slave states and was willing to offer the Crittenden amendment.
The free soilers were also right to not want masses of niggers brought into the territories.
I actually agree. An industrialized society seems more in alignment with Gnon than a mass slave agrarian society.
This did result in the mass importation of the Ellis Islanders, yet still I’d rather have lower caste whites imported en masse than blacks.
The Irish were coming over before the civil war, the Irish were the big problem immigrant group NOT the Italians as a whole… Fauci the Jesuit being a big exception.
Italians now tend to vote republican… the irish (of which im part) are still a problem.
Yes the Irish were coming over before the war to the North because the North was industrializing before the war.
I don’t believe this is true. Lincoln and the rest of the Republicans rejected the Crittenden Compromise.
My understanding was that Lincoln was willing to accept it for existing slave states (as long as it eventually sunsetted) but would not for the territories.
That makes any future states automatically free states. How many more free states before you have enough votes to ignore the slave states and ban slavery?
Compromises that make you stronger over time until you can break are worthless.
You cannot compromise with the woke. As soon as you do, they smell weakness, pocket the compromise, and demand more. If you concede to an implicit threat, your concessions will be pocketed and soon followed by an explicit threat, and if you concede to the explicit thread, further demands to which you also concede, but the threat gets carried out anyway. Sane evil you can buy off with concessions. Insane evil just has to be killed.
The South should have recognized this as a holy war, and gone after Harvard, not Fort Sumter. They needed to kill every male in the general vicinity of Harvard, enslave every fertile age woman, and carry them off. That was the only possible way to end the war.
Lincoln’s offers of compromise might well have been sincere, but he subscribed to a priesthood who had tasted blood. The priesthood would have pocketed the compromise, and demanded a further compromise. The people who sponsored terrorism against the slave states intended war without end. The compromise would not have ended terror, but escalated it.
And once war began, needed to strike at the head, Harvard, not the fists, Port Sumter. The insane enemy is going to go on fighting till you strike the head.
I don’t think the free soilers were particularly woke, wanting the territories to be mostly nigger slave free was reasonable.
From wiki:
“The 1852 party platform more overtly denounced slavery, and also called for the diplomatic recognition of Haiti.[60] Many Free Soilers also supported the temperance movement”
The free soilers were woke- they lacked protection against entryism.
The non-woke option was the Know-Nothings.
The know nothings (who were redpilled on the papist and jesuit question) were cool but realistically weren’t going to win.
Com, there was John Brown’s raid in 1859. The problem isn’t the raid. The problem is that the people who gave John Brown money and weapons got pulled before the congress. ALL the Republicans declared they were totally innocent and nothing should be done to punish them.
The South saw the writing on the wall. The North had declared the elimination of slavery a historical inevitability (a scorpion stinging itself to death) and was willing to sponsor murder in order to make their prophecy come true.
The Dred Scott decision also made free territories legally meaningless so there was some bad misconduct on both sides. John Brown was widely cobsidered a nut in his youth.
He was a nut who was repeatedly allowed to commit murder with impunity. He had some very powerful people covering for him. The South needed to hang those people. John Brown was merely a highly expendable minion.
And to hang those people, they needed to march on Harvard.
I don’t know how that ended up saying in his youth… i mean a nutvinitially…
This was after the North blatantly violated the terms of the Fugitive Slave Act (Compromise of 1850).
The fugitive slave act required the active help of the population in assisting an institution they detested. That the South ever thought the fugitive slave acts were going to work out other than the way they did (a mostly dead letter with the exception of some bounty hunters) just shows me more that they were completely delusional…
Southerners banned the importation of slaves while allowing immigration. Thinking ahead was not their strong suit.
That said apparently they got Northern representatives to go along with the passage of the 1850 Act suggests either lying on the part of the Northern reps (this will totally work) or no one reading the bill.
As I said, if you make a concession to the woke, it is just a down payment on the next concession.
>The US is uniformly a post-industrial society
Strong disagree. There is absolutely a hierarchy of States. There’s always a hierarchy. And there’s a ton of growth potential in States that are low due to the demonic agenda of their dominant elites (see: California, Virginia, Colorado, New York). Trump demonstrated explicitly that no magic wand is required to reindustrialize. Musk is demonstrating that pivoting and relocating can dramatically alter the potentials. Desantis and Noem have and are demonstrating that FedGov is by no means universally dominant.
Just as we are now closer than ever before to a strategic nuclear exchange because Russia is no longer communist (which flies in the face of the common knowledge understanding of the Cold War dynamic), so too are we close to potential balkanization precisely because some States have the leadership, geography, and connections to stand alone. If the Petrodollar System collapses, I’d say the potential for balkanization or Boog becomes nearly 100%.
Nothing short of banning all Chinese imports turns back the clock enough for the US to transition back to a full industrial society.
I’m sure the Chinese can make good stuff, but it never seems to get into the industries I have contact with. I’ve never once in my life heard an engineer, technician, or laborer praise Chinese products, or even choose them, over literally every other possible option. This was a while ago, but I remember a lighting package with a bunch of legit and Chinese knockoff HMI lights. The legit ones were over a decade old, the chink cans were literally fresh out the box. Not a single one survived the production. The only thing China has going for it is quantity, and this will be true until they actually are forced to compete without rigging the game, or picking games with a built in advantage.
Consider: Chinese missiles are awesome on paper, so much so that the Aircraft Carrier may be an obsolete technology… in the South China Sea. This is not a global advantage.
The Chinese navy is the largest in the world… but they can’t do long deployments or operate without constant shore based support, resupply, and crew renewal. A navy that’s never fought a battle at sea is an expensive collection of set pieces for propaganda videos (this applies everywhere, not just China).
We don’t need to ban Chinese imports, we need to tariff them appropriately. China’s had training wheels and a walled garden for long enough.
I’d be fine with this too. It’s a big ask but I’d argue this would be the single most impactful and meaningful thing a potential Caesar Augustus could possibly do to “Save America”.
Trump did tariff China, America’s problem is with its political leaders who impose policies that are sabotage. Merely tariffing China would not solve all other areas of sabotage.
Trump had a good start with limited tariffs on China, namely steel and aluminum.
We would need that massively increased on all Chinese goods to change the underlying economic incentives that would result in bringing back all industrialized labor jobs back to the US.
Trump’s lowering corporate taxes and getting energy costs down were more important.
I am in favor of free trade, internally and externally, in theory. The way I am in favor of anarchocapitalism in theory. In the real world, however, trade has to be conducted with long range secure property rights protected by a sovereign, which for international trade requires bilateral agreements between all sovereigns on the path of the goods. and each agreement has to be as regulatory, taxed, and interventionist as the most tax happy and intervention intrusive sovereign who is a party to that agreement.
What we do with China is not “tradeâ€. The Western globocorps set up their factories in China, instead of the West, to save money by paying laborers Chinese wages instead of Western wages.
That is what the Chinese told the globocorps they would be doing, and it looks good for Globocorp on the bottom line. Reality, however, is that your factory in China is controlled by Chinese, who do not necessarily have the best interests of globocorp in mind. They are practicing national capitalism.
They do make good stuff, and it is quite possible to get good stuff from China. And I recommend doing so wherever possible. But dealing with Chinese businessmen is like dealing with Jews. They are always scamming you. It is hard.
Problem is twofold: our currency is too valuable, and we are far too regulated. Automation and smart logistics means we are capable of making everything cheaper than Chyna even with high wage costs, and a lot of those costs can be offset by having low skilled labor in mexico et al put the machine-made parts together. You are not allowed to do this though because you have crippling regulations and engineering things is evil bad no good. Problem is exacerbated further by exchange rate favoring the weaker currencies, which tends to more than equalize the incurred shipping costs for importing.