The Taliban exists because Pakistan sponsors it. Since Pakistan has nukes, everyone preferred to not notice this.
Lieutenant General Hamid Gul, Pakistani Military intelligence, the ISI, accurately foresaw what is now happening in Afghanistan as I post this:
when Afghanistan’s history came to be written, it would record that the ISI, with the help of America, defeated the Soviet Union. And next, historians would record that the ISI, with the help of America, defeated America.
With the major US airbase abandoned, the Afghan government is likely to fall sometime well before September. It could well fall tomorrow, but it will simply take time for Taliban forces to move to Kabul from the Pakistan border.
There is a great deal that is very wrong with Mohammedanism. But there are only two live faiths in power Progressivism and Islam. And as progressivism becomes ever more self destructive, it is losing to Islam.
Or perhaps there is a third. Orthodox Christianity. Let us pay our respects to Putin, Tsar of all the Russias.
Xi Thought is dead. He is trying to bring it to life with a controlled infusion of old type Marxism, which in sufficient dose will destroy the Chinese economy and cause scientific and technological stagnation, but no dose is going to revive the Chinese state religion. The only real option that he has is to adopt old type Confucianism and claim the mandate of heaven, breaking with Maoism.
India has nukes, but incapable of independence because Hinduism is overrun by demons. Has been for a very long time. Pakistan, demonstrably, is capable of independence.
At the recent summit conference, Putin and whoever is pulling Biden’s strings agreed to lower the temperature and halt the drift to war, but those who control Biden can no more control the State Department than Trump could. The State Department thinks it has agreed to pause the drift to war for a few months.
Putin appears to doubt the capability of American nukes, and there are some people in the US government who do not believe America’s nukes work either. Perhaps those are the people who are pulling Biden’s strings, in which case they will eventually be forced to do whatever it takes to prevent the drift to war.
But they are riding a tiger. A holiness spiral is going to go to war with someone. Usually its own subjects.
Why did they abandon the airbase? Who made that decision? It’s not often the Cathedral decides to abandon territory.
It was secretly and furtively abandoned in the dead of night. No one knew what was happening until it happened, presumably because they were rationally concerned that if they announced in advance, the Afghan government might fall before they were out.
Somewhat to my surprise, it has not fallen yet, but it is falling. On the other hand, the Afghan government set up by the Russians took a surprisingly long time to fall after the Russians abandoned it. There is a lot of ruin in a nation.
There are whole lot high ranking officers in any major US base that have never heard a shot fired with deadly intent, and have no intention of ever hearing such a shot.
The manner of their leaving suggests that they feared they might hear one.
Thanks, fixed.
I suspect that other regional powers will give some amount of aid to the non Pashtun tribes so that the Taliban will never take the whole country. Kabul will almost certainly fall though.
The real question is who will the Russians and Chinese support.
Why should they support anyone in Afghanistan? Is there anything in Afghanistan that is worth anything to China or Russia?
Rare earth metals, supposedly. China may try to replicate Russia’s approach to Syria. The US looked incredibly weak when their Iraqi proxies folded in the face of ISIS and their subsequent campaign in Syria was further proof of American ineptitude. Russia took the opportunity to come in and look sophisticated. It may not be too fantastical to envision a Chinese-Pakistani coalition moving in and accomplishing what the US could not.
Pakistan has moved in. No guerrilla movement succeeds except through foreign sponsorship.
Pakistan is unlikely to be appreciative of China attempting to move in on top of them.
ISI has moved in. Pakistan is a mess. China is very active in the region with BRI dog and pony show. I think Pakistan will maybe become bellicose in NWT and Waziristan, ISI will attempt to control Taliban and fail (just as they did after Russia withdrew), and China will have an opportunity on its border for some real world exercise.
I see no indication that Pakistan tried to control the Taliban and failed.
When the US invaded Afghanistan, Osama Bin Laden simply moved to the vatican of Pakistan. The Taliban was an expendable and deniable proxy to carry out the will of the ruling faith of Pakistan, and Osama Bin Laden a proxy to carry out the will of the Taliban.
If Pakistan had been trying to control the Taliban and failed, would have stashed Osma Bin Laden some place considerably less central.
Talibanic Afghanistan was a unit test facility for bring Islam back to old Islam.
I suppose I need a foreign sponsor then.
In the 1990s, ISI and Pakistan attempted to facilitate a pacification of the tribal regions by backing the Taliban over other groups. This was in an effort to exert regional control over all the -stans within reach by creating a blue water access point for the landlocked areas. It obviously didn’t work out. ISI is an interesting organization, not dissimilar from the early years of CIA after the OSS transition. This is speculative, but I think they bear the same relationship to the Pakistan government as the Agency in that they are not actually devout Muslims and have plans of their own, just as Dulles and his peers wore the cloak of patriotism and Christianity while actively undermining the true natalists. And I don’t think Abottobad is analogous to the Vatican… Maybe Malta or some other military redoubt?
What are your thoughts on the assertion made a while back that the 0Dark30 narrative is a myth and Bin Laden was actually handed over after SAD/SOG walked in under military escort?
https://youtu.be/xipS91mvXEE
If the Taliban is a proxy for Pakistan, which is reasonable considering more than two-thirds of Pashtuns worldwide live in Pakistan and make up much of the elite, Imran Khan for example, why is Pakistan engaged in war with the Taliban? If the Taliban is a proxy for the Pakistani Pashtun elite, why did the Taliban attack them in the 2014 Peshawar school massacre? Is the war in Afghanistan a proxy war masking an ongoing a cold war in Pakistan, one side playing favor and the other pretending to play favor to the United States, or is it something else?
Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan is not the Taliban, is not terribly interested in what is going on in Afghanistan, and does not have substantial Afghan membership.
Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan is not focused on using Pakistan as a base to achieve Islamic governance in Afghanistan. They are focused on using Afghanistan as a base to achieve Islamic governance in Pakistan – they are a holiness spiraled faction that is holier than Osama Bin Laden.
Pakistan is not at war with the Taliban. They are fine with Taliban factions that want to make Afghanistan considerably holier than Pakistan, and are watching with interest to see how it works. Not so fine with those that want to make Pakistan considerably holier. They are at war with Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan, which as the name suggests, does not control any part of Afghanistan and is not particularly interested in doing so.
Everyone using Afghan proxies has always found their proxies unruly. That does not make them any the less proxies.
The Taliban is a client of the ISI but muslims are notoriously not agreement capable especially with those they can deem less islamic than thou and therefore infidels and apostates.
When the Taliban no longer needs direct Pakistani support, will likely become even more unruly than they already are. But Osama Bin Laden’s move to Pakistan’s Harvard and Vatican indicates that when they knocked over the two towers, they were not being unruly.
I know this sounds farfetched, but I think ISI dabbled in Cathedral games and Pakistan leadership was just dumb enough to think money had no strings. I also think ISI let the State Department missionaries come in because the assumed, possibly correctly, that the tribal Afghans were basically impervious to the Poz.
From my perspective, you have a great power and two middle powers who all have some level of interest in Afghanistan: China, Pakistan, and Iran. I think Iran is the least likely to do anything more than fortify the border and unleash the spies. I think Pakistan is trying to set up a long game of subsumption but it may just be ISI machinations. I think China has a lot of toys and techniques from the Xianjang pacification that they would like to test further, and I think they are willing to do a lot for Pakistan to keep India from going full tilt into a space program and/or a blue water Navy.
The big mystery for me, and I’ll admit right now that I don’t fully grasp the Cathedral super cluster meddling, is why Blue Empire is pulling out. Do they think the cancer is woven deep enough in Kabul that it no longer needs USM protection? Did the NGOs convince them that they have a good handle on things? Have they actually weakened to the point that they need to refocus on the Western Hemisphere? Anecdotal, but a lot of the small and medium PMCs are also cutting contracts in AFG. PAE is ramping up their pseudo-State apparatus, but that is actually a global trend.
I submit that we are in the early stages of a global retrenchment of the Blue Empire, and I think China needs to dramatically expand holdings where they can push disgruntled Han towards. How this independent instances interact may be the source of a lot of friction in the coming years.
Sure, when Pakistan was working to overthrow communist Afghanistan in favor of an old type Islamic state, and the Cathedral was working to overthrow communist Afghanistan in favor of a pozzed nominally Islamic state, they were best buddies, and Pakistan gave Cathedral missionaries a free hand in the confident expectation that their seed would fall on stony ground.
When communist Afghanistan fell, then Pakistan predictably defected on the Cathedral in the most extreme possible way, but the Cathedral was reluctant to notice because nukes, because brown, and because Mohammedan.
China’s state religion is dead in the water, which is a crippling disability against holy warriors. Not a disability against the US, because the US priests don’t trust the US warriors, correctly suspecting them of insufficient holiness.
Afghanistan is ninety percent Sunni, so in a holy war, Iran will have a crippling disability. To convert the Afghans, will have to kill most of them, and Afghans are all descendants of wars with empires that were trying to kill most of them. Iranian conquest of Afghanistan requires genocide and then moving in the excess sons of their own elite, and because pozzed, don’t have excess sons.
I don’t think Iran is going to invade Afghanistan with troops. I think their method is spies and funding.
China’s state religion is dead? I’ve seen you comments about Xi’s re-Maoification but I don’t know enough about it. Accepting that the upper echelon is struggling, doesn’t this indicate that there is room for smaller nexii of power to flex? China’s activities, both domestically and internationally, are too big to be managed by one person or even a cadre, so it seems to be the case that certain men and institutions are given the responsibility of management, whether it is domestic fresh water, African nei-colonies, European investment, or BRI mega projects.
Throughout this topic, we’ve touched on a number of intel outfits. Maybe China’s intel wing is faring better than the political leadership. They seem to operate with impunity in the US and Europe. Similarly, it appears that ISI is an entity unto itself, connected to but not controlled by Pakistani government. We’ve definitely seen the gulf between the executive and The Executive in the US. Maybe Chinese intel will save the country from the Party’s floundering, kind of the inverse of the US.
It is hard to know the state of US intel, harder still to know the state of Chinese intel.
I know that US intel used to be amazingly good, and have some reason to suspect that they have now suffered numerous massive penetration events, suggesting that they are now not so good. China has suffered massive penetration, but seems to be attempting to do something competent about it. Whether what they are doing is in fact competent I do not know, but they have what looks like a bullet proof foundation. Whether the superstructure is bullet proof, hard to know.
>The big mystery for me, and I’ll admit right now that I don’t fully grasp the Cathedral super cluster meddling, is why Blue Empire is pulling out. Do they think the cancer is woven deep enough in Kabul that it no longer needs USM protection? Did the NGOs convince them that they have a good handle on things? Have they actually weakened to the point that they need to refocus on the Western Hemisphere?
Weakness, in literal terms, but also in terms of lack of cohesive will to roll back the inertia Trump got started on the pull out.
>Maybe Chinese intel will save the country from the Party’s floundering, kind of the inverse of the US.
In Russia, this is basically what happened after their Party fell in the 90s, Putin himself of course being the poster-boy for this phenomena. They could be so lucky.
China has an contingent advantage, in that they are contemporaneous with a declining empire as a peer, which provides them with many easily pointed-too data points for sorts of things not to do and what happens when you do them.
They have many real-talkers, but heretofore still lack an underlining framework that synthesizes all the real-talk into a larger context, which impedes it’s transmission to successive generations, and also impedes generation of fervor for transmuting real-talk into actions.
Which is to say, they have the same problem every major 21st century player has, which is critical shortages of Tradition.
How do you solve a tradition shortage, particularly when there’s no shortage of traditions out there? I’m not making light, genuinely asking.
>particularly when there’s no shortage of traditions out there
Are there?
It should be the simplest thing in the world for everyone to want a true religion, should it not? To adopt it, to convert to it, to be borne into it…
Yet in practice, we seem to observe a great deal of difficulty in this matter…
A Tradition lives and breaths through it’s exponents; if you have a shortage of exponents, then you have a shortage of Tradition.
I’ve posted this before elsewhere, but it is relevant here as well; the modern condition is typified by atomization.
No one man can grow roots with any other men. His life, from cradle to grave, is a persistent slide show of being shuffled from space to space. He is shuffled from relatives and neighbors to child prisons. He is shuffled within child prisons from figure to figure, isolated from any cross-generational contact. He is shuffled from one child prison to other child prisons. He is shuffled from child prisons to temples of demon worship, to receive a mark of the beast, necessary for recognition in the society it dominates. In turn, that mark is used to shuffle him yet elsewhere in the world, for some abstract ‘position’, with some abstract organization.
More meaningful levels of communication, relevant to the edification of a man in particular, the conduction of civilization in general, are rendered impossible, because those who might need so communicate are preempted from learning each other. Each and all collectively stuck on step one, using english, but speaking different languages. A society full of strangers.
Expressions of Law already exist; they await in our canons, ready and meant for transmission, products of generations of wise men crossing encounters with Being, and learning it’s lessons, expressing it’s conclusion, a provenance so far beyond the powers of self-created scientia of any one particular being, so vitalizing Tradition. Echos of worlds that were, reaching through time, to tangle with the future.
So how, then, can it be that we are where we are now? It is possible for a man who seeks such rules of greater felicity to find them; and through one man may many men. How is it possible then, not only for us to be here, but to have been here before even, and are here once again? Wherefore have we beings acting, not just in apparent ignorance of divine law, but also ignorance of every other time of apparent ignorance, even?
One must not mistake the flowers of thought for the roots that produce them; the cargo landing on an air strip, with the civilization that can make such things happen; the phenomena, with the dynamics that create the possibility of instantiating such phenomena.
The case of many men of today is that they are not reading those rules; and where some might read them, they do not understand them; and where some might understand them, they do not *want* to understand them.
For many, they would not even know *where* one might read them – or more than that, would not even know there is something *too* read in the first place. Even in such cases where a fellow might cross an echo of Law along their way, so often, that fellow will also come preloaded with anti-pattern memetic hazards, whose provenance they know not either, that would forstall them from drawing any useful conclusion from it.
What one must work with is not merely folk who simply do not know, but folk actively possessed by deleterious mind virii. Such is the modern condition.
Where rests The Law? I know it is here in some sense, in some form, but there’s too much to sift through, and it isn’t sifting through dross. When signals coexist, some of them become noise, if only for the moment.
Natural law position is that right conduct is the pursuit of individual self interest through cooperation with other people. Which acknowledges, but fails to address, the non trivial problem of getting to cooperate/cooperate equilibrium – of persuading enough people that you will act rightly, and that your conduct is right, and the problem that other people may not act rightly.
Dark Enlightenment position: Law is the rules the group imposes on itself, and the ultimate law is survival.
Christian position: The law is the spirit and intent of the ten commandments, which as interpreted by old type Christianity, seems to yield much the same position as the Dark Enlightenment and Natural law position. Except that a lot of people in the Dark Enlightenment bridle at the Christian measures to address the problem of identifying likely cooperators, and persuading people that you will cooperate, and figuring out what constitutes cooperation.
The American Empire begins to unravel at the fringes.
Curious on your thoughts on the this passage from Albert Speer’s “Inside the Third Reich”. It stuck with me after reading the book. Has a Nietzschean / Might Is Right feel to it.
> Hitler had been much impressed by a scrap of history he had learned
from a delegation of distinguished Arabs. When the Mohammedans at-
tempted to penetrate beyond France into Central Europe during the
eighth century, his visitors had told him, they had been driven back at
the Battle of Tours. Had the Arabs won this battle, the world would be
Mohammedan today. For theirs was a religion that believed in spreading
the faith by the sword and subjugating all nations to that faith. The
Germanic peoples would have become heirs to that religion. Such a creed
was perfectly suited to the Germanic temperament. Hitler said that the
conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long
run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions
of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives,
so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at
the head of this Mohammedan Empire.
> Hitler usually concluded this historical speculation by remarking:
“You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t
we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Father-
land as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have
been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to
be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?”
Reflect on Hitler’s two big mistakes:
1. He responded to Churchill distracting him by losing his focus on gaining air superiority over the English channel.
2. He declared war on America when already up to his neck in alligators.
Case 1: Should have turned the other cheek – or at least invoked the principle to look dignified while refusing to be distracted.
Case 2: Should have applied just war doctrine, which doctrine is completely pragmatic and practical in a fallen world.
The biggest part of his defeat was that the crisis of socialism bit hard during the invasion of Russia, resulting in massive logistic chaos and failure even as his forces were advancing against insignificant resistance, but that would not have mattered, had not the enemy with the biggest population been joined by the enemy with the greatest logistic capability, since Russian logistics were even more hosed than Hitler’s.
The trouble with the Wagnerian-Nietzschean outlook is that it celebrates battle with overwhelming odds, while neglecting to inquire how you got into battle with overwhelming odds against you.
Nothing flabby about just war doctrine. Hitler could have achieved all his goals while adhering to that doctrine, and would have likely won had he done so.
For some reason, respect I suppose, Hitler seeked an alliance with England. He did not wish to conquer them. He says as much in Mein Kampf if I recall.
Hitler was practicing Germanic-Racial socialism. The Saxons should have been natural allies under his ideology, but whites are wolves to whites.
Bombing civilian targets was not useful for attaining alliance nor victory.
Air superiority would have been useful for both.
TIK said Germany of course could never afford a two front war, and everyone including Stalin knew this – so as long as Hitler made sure he was at war with Britain, he could take Stalin by surprise.
Checks out as i see it.
You can always surprise your enemy by doing something really stupid.
And, in order to keep your enemy distracted and confused, doing deliberately stupid things every now and then pays off, but it only pays off if you don’t expend too much on the stupid thing, if the stupid things are merely feints and distractions.
Invading Russia was a very expensive thing Hitler could not afford, and the crisis of socialist logistics hit him hard. Needed to impose peace on Britain and get his logistics sorted. Logistics defeated Napoleon, and they defeated Hitler. Invading Russia is a huge logistic problem.
Reading a book Tik recommended on the Nazi economy “The Wages of Destruction”.
Some aspects of his socialist state just had to be put in place given that he intended war, almost everything setup by Schadt fell into this category but in 1937 he should have devalued the currency rather than going further into socialism and tried to buildup slowly until perhaps 1941. Germany had a lot of stuff it HAD TO import to avoid economic collapse (including food) and that if it was building up for war it needed to import more of and this required extreme administrative capital controls over foreign exchange. Especially while they still needed to somewhat payoff debts to avoid being locked out of foreign trade.
Declaring war on the US was retarded but I don’t think they could have won in the end because of the oil situation.
The agriculture policy was just pure socialist retardation with no good side too it. Darre was just a fucking moron.
They could have grabbed the middle eastern oil in 1940 or they could have anticipated a long war and greatly expanded the rail infrastructure and got working coal versions of trackers going. It was the rail system that fucked Germany more than anything else in Russia and they’d already fucked up the German rail system with Nazi Socialism before the war started. They needed a system that was about 4x larger than the one they went to war with, complete with teams ready to keep the tracks within a few miles of the front lines.
The biggest economic mistake was not practicing capitalism with the conquered territories. France had been suffering under socialist governments for 30-40 years by then and allowing their farmers capitalism would have resulted in enough food to feed Germany. In Russia they could have easily have freed the people from Communism, give them some coal powered tractors and let the Russian people feed everyone while they destroyed Communism.
Follow Tik there wasn’t much oil production in the middle east at that time what oil there was was mostly in Iran.
Most oil production came from the United states and russia.
I’ve watched Tik’s videos. What’s directly next to Iraqi Oil fields? The Iranian Oil fields. If Germany takes Iraq, then Iran either sells to the Germans or they lose the oil fields. Best of all Iraq has oil pipelines going to the Med. Italian ships pickup the oil, send it to Germany via the rail system in the eastern Med.
Nor could Russia have stopped the Germans. Germany taking Iraq(well they tried to switch to the Axis side during the ware) puts their oil fields in range of German bombers. Invading Iran would be a logistical nightmare for Russia with all the hard to traverse Mountains in the North and limited rail transport and the flatlands are right next to the coast where the Oil is. They never would have made it to them before the Germans claimed it and if they Bombed the fields then Germany would have bombed the Russian fields right back.
Finally the primary lend lease port was Iran.
Or russia takes Iran and Germany is forced into a war on them anyway…
I shot from the hip… i think the russians would have a far easier time taking Iran because of their logistical situation…
>I shot from the hip… i think the russians would have a far easier time taking Iran because of their logistical situation…
The logistical system for the entire Soviet Union was very bad and even worse in the Caucasus Mountains. They almost never had anything other than single lane tracks of poor quality, while Germany would have the ports of the eastern Med to supply them.
Russia relocating their factory right on top of the Urals actually increased production because they no longer had to use the almost worthless Soviet Transport system.
The supply problems of North Africa were due to Malta and the UK fleet based in Egypt. With Egypt taken and Malta taken by airborne assault the Med would have been an Axis lake.
It took the US and the UK building up the infrastructure at the Caspian and Caucasus mountains to make the logistics in the area viable.
The socialized development process also stopped innovations in bomber tech that might have allowed deep Russian logistical annihilation, but good jet engines were banned because of nickel rationing.
They needed a jet fighter not a jet bomber and the socialists interventions by Hitler himself was to give priority to a jet bomber instead of a fighter.
did you read what I said? jet bombers were not at the exclusion of jet fighters, and the luftwaffe restrictions on engine material fucked both. hitler could have had the very useful arado to strike deep russian rail and other infrastructure, but central planning on nickel sabatoged that, and severely hampered jet fighter engine life. the idea of central planning bombers or fighters is how this problem starts in the first place. germany could have produced far more then it did because it blew its foot off with nonsense legal restraints about materials.
They WERE massively constrained in terms of supply of many raw materials though…
The problem was not that raw materials were short, though this was a genuinely big problem, but that administrative allocation of scarce resources was the usual gigantic foul up.
Yes though trying to ration raw materials administratively was inevitable in their situation or the raw materials would have been depleted immediately as demand massively exceeded supply.
Trying to do what they did with farmers otoh was just retarded.
Hitler should have condemned the attack on Pearl Harbor and avowed peace with America…That would have severely complicated the Jew dominated Roosevelt Administration’s plan to create a war with Germany, since Roosevelt was very sensitive to public opinion…Hitler’s lack of Machiavellian instincts cost him dearly.
Hitler’s extreme stupidity was declaring war at all though. Yes the US was supplying England but there were limits especially with the US engaged with Japan.
If Roosevelt didn’t have the support to declare war totally after the sinking of the USS Reuben James he never was going to get except if Hitler outright deliberately struck first.
Hitler should have piously avowed peace with America, *and* piously proclaimed no bombing of unambiguously civilian targets,
should have issued a list of legitimate targets, with the qualification that civilians cannot be used as human shields for military targets.
Germans already tried that in WWI, and then had to sink Lusitania anyway. So no. There is no dealing with a dishonourable adversary, because he will break any deal as soon as it becomes convenient for him.
The Jew dominated FDR administration was looking for a pretext to make War on Germany, and if not this, then they would’ve found some other excuse. Hitler’s mistake (in hindsight) was decalring war on USA. In the immortal words of Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez, “If you want to shoot, shoot. Don’t talk.” Unfortunately, “talking Big” was what Nazis were best at.
The fatal mistake with Hitler’s bombing of civilian targets in response to Churchill’s is that it diverted the Luftwaffe from neutralizing the royal air force. Hitler was days away from destroying Britains ability to put a plane in the air, but his bombing of London gave the Brits time to rebuild.
Could not have knocked out the RAF as long as Dowding was in command because he was pursuing a Fabian strategy.
If he was, he was loosing, badly. The RAF was on it’s knees and should have been obliterated. Germany could have picked apart British infrastructure once the skies were clear but pulled their bombing onto bricks and kitchen cabinets instead of airfields. In what way was the RAF being anihilated and the balance of power swinging into the Germans hands an example of successful attrition on The RAFs part?
Hitler never left the country before 1940 when he visited Paris (unless you count moving from Austria to Bavaria or sitting in a trench in Flanders in WWI). He, and Germans as a whole, had little idea what motivated foreigners.
The Japanese were the same although they had some astute ambassadors who were ignored by the internal politics players.
The best scenario I ever heard was Japan piously declaring war on Germany in 1939 and piously sending four destroyers to help the British hunt for U-boats…
Hitler in private was very hostile to Christianity (read the Table Talks) but its not quite certain the Arabs would have made much in the way of permanent gains even if victorious at Tours. The Muslim warriors by that time were more interested in plunder than spreading the faith.
Islam tends to lead to mixed races… Christianity at least at the time of the Reconquista tended to stand for racial purity.
Islam is blue-pilled on race. They intend a worldwide caliphate blob of brown people.
Even with good genetic stock like the Turks Islam was failure at everything besides war. The fratricide going on with the elites inside the ottoman empire was crippling. I didn’t really grasp how important it was that Christianity banned the murder of rival claims to power until Jim pointed out what the Saxion elites were up to before Alfred. The Islamic elites were even worse off with endless family murders which is why they to rely so much on non Muslims for administration. People of quality were simply murdered off due to fear that if you didn’t kill them first, they’d kill you.
This was a problem in the Roman Empire too immediately after the death of Augustus starting with Tiberius.
The Turkish and certainly not the Roman problem was not so much a problem with Islam exactly (maybe Islam makes this innate) as a general problem with open entry into the monarchy or in the Turkish case merely the monarchy being open to anyone descended from the original founding Osman.
Primogeniture solved this problem, at the expense of having an occasional real retard like Nicholas II come to throne.
It is not a problem created by Islam, rather that Islam fails to solve this problem, this very major problem that Muhammad failed to address.
Roman Kings followed marriage by abduction, spiritual monogamy, and male primogeniture. This leads to clear lines of succession imposed by the gods and King. Roman Republic converted marriage into a contract, and legalised non-kin adoption to counter consequently declining fertility. Both these put paid to male primogeniture and fratricidal wars began.
Islam basically inherited the dysfunctional Roman system (even as Muhammad adapted it) and thus it continues.
Yup. No end of fratricidal wars in the European Dark Ages due to the Germanic practice of partible inheritance and the denial of hereditary rights for landowners, what we would later call fiefs. Primogeniture was reinvented sometime around the 10th century iirc, with excellent results for political stability and prosperity.
Bingo.
Also note that the worldwide brown blob slots right into the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan.
Ishmaelites are very conscious of their bloodline. They intend a world where they are the elites, and the rest of the population, though nominally Muslim, is low-status. The “worldwide caliphate blob of brown people” is a creation of Prog-laced “Islam.”
Paternal bloodline, or racial purity?!
Both.
Paternal bloodlines are primarily preserved, of course, and wealth distributed as the Patriarch sees fit among his children. However, hereditary titles (which are necessary for political office) are only passed down to purebreds. This obsession is so great that highborn prefer consanguinous marriages to preserve racial purity — similar to many European monarchs — with predictably disastrous results.
>Islam tends to lead to mixed races… Christianity at least at the time of the Reconquista tended to stand for racial purity.
There’s no evidence for this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limpieza_de_sangre
@Nada
Hitler exemplifies the difference between LARPing as an Aryan and actually being an Aryan. For all his priestly ruminations, he was unable/unwilling to face reality, and develop an unfettered Will to Power. For all his “hostility” to Christianity, his population was massively Christian, he himself was a Christian, and publicly always remained so.
This is exactly what happened when an Aryan tribe converted to Islam and then shortly proceeded to conquer the entire Islamic World, establishing the Ottoman Empire. No reason to think Germans, if converted, would have been any different.
More kvetching. This is an excuse for poor performance as “Christians.” If you specifically seek out flabbiness you can find it in any religion (look at Japan today, for example). He should have either abandoned Christianity entirely in favour of a powerful Aryan State Religion, or converted Christianity to His Will, assuming the mantle of Emperor (eg: Peter the Great made the Orthodox Church an arm of the Russian State, same with Henry VIII and the Anglican Church). More pointedly, his racial hubris prevented him from allying with the honourable Japanese, which would have made them into a real “Axis.” Together they could have rolled up USSR from both ends, forced Stalin to flee to USA, and rolled up Asia. USSR/Anglo-Persian Oil Company oil coupled with Chinese resources would have greatly expanded Germany’s capability to make war on Britain, while simultaneously enabling Japanese to match US airsea power plane for plane, ship for ship, and carrier for carrier (at which point Japan would’ve won because their equipment and soldiers were simply superior).
But Hitler did none of that. He kept hoping for a fanciful alliance with his racial brethren the Anglo-Saxons, who ultimately got him killed in the end. The magnitude of this stupidity boggles the mind. Slavs and Japanese were natural allies.
Truly I tell you, there is no enemy worse than an Aryan who embraces a demonic faith. Too bad Hitler wasn’t priestly enough to have realised that either.
All that said, lest the above academic discussion be interpreted as an attack: Uncle Adolf did nothing wrong. He was a million times better than the bastard cripple FDR and his half-brother the Georgian traitor Stalin. In the halls of his mighty fathers he would not be ashamed[1]. Sieg Heil! ååå
[1] apologies to JRR Tolkien
Hitler plainly was not a Christian personally, and Nazi Germany was substantially de-Christianized (for better or worse) during the twelve years Nazis had in power. Twelve years being only around 1% of the time Germany had been Christian.
Rather, Christianity was nazified. Today it is being pozzed. Nazification is less alien to Christianity, less dechristianizing, than poz.
This is a misrepresentation of the facts. Nazis were aware that the regnant Church was pozzed and corrupted, and could not form the basis of a healthy Reich. Church doctrine needed to be replaced by a sane Aryan State Religion, then as now.
Himmler (especially) and others were of the mind to repudiate Christianity entirely and awaken Old Gods ex nihilo. This, they thought, was particularly suited to the German temperament because of their fractious conversion to Christianity in the first place, often by force of Arms (esp Prussia). But creating a whole State Religion from scratch was beyond the capability of the priests they had, so this option devolved into occultist idiocy.
Hitler himself realised that Christianity did not need to be removed entirely, which is why he never publicly repudiated it. He was looking for a Jimian synthesis where poz simply becomes un-Christian overnight. This is what is commonly portrayed by Jew and Christcuck media as “de-Christianisation.” Make no mistake — Jim’s formulation is also deeply heretical and deserves contempt — according to every major existing Church including the Pope, because true Christianity is now defined by poz.
In Jimian “Restoration,” a key ingredient required is a Fuhrer of enough charismatic power to carry it off, and a High Priest to implement it. Julius Caesar embodied both, being Pontifex maximus and Dictator of Rome, and he still got pwned. Uncle Adolf was neither, considering himself just a Common Man who Rode The Tiger and was simply in the Right Place at the Right Time. He was not even the equal of Peter the Great or Henry VIII, and deservedly got pwned.
Nazi “religion” was thus neither fish nor fowl — neither embracing Aryan roots nor putting down the Christian Law, and this morass of confusion soon came to an end. Their remaining in power for “twelve” years, surely has some mystical significance, but I fail to grasp it.
Hitler wanted to eliminate Christianity entirely, but did not want to pay the political price before winning the war.
Nazi-adjacent thinkers have had many opinions on this topic. Himmler wanted to restore ancient Aryan religion. HC Chamberlain thought the Gospels were fine (seemingly, after redacting them according to his whims) but the Old Testament and Paul’s epistles were not; the Nazis produced such a “de-Judaised” Bible that had almost no content left.
Hitler, being a pragmatic idealist, wanted the state to control the religion, and probably did not care much which symbols were used, but was not willing to tie Germany to foreign churches, to a scripture that hadn’t been curated by Nazis, or to a ‘reformation’ of the above that would clearly leave room for opponents to claim the old versions had greater legitimacy.
If Hitler had stayed in power another twenty years – until his old age – I doubt Germany would have retained legal Christianity.
Interesting take.
Kek
The Soviet Union fell how many years after getting out of Afghanistan? It is time, let it burn.
Definitely shades of Brezhnevian decline.
Unfortunately we have a very much alive and growing in strength demon worshiping religion. Marxism died during Brezhnev. Whites are likely to die during our decline.
We have been declining since 1820. Who’s to say how much longer we have to go?
There’s a lot of ruin in a nation. Hindus have been declining for a millennium yet Ghazwa-e-Hind remains a pipe dream still. Rearguard action is surprisingly effective against an insane enemy. But that is only the path to a slow defeat, not victory. And what we desperately need is Victory.
Talk about the restoration of Orthodoxy in the form of a notable living alternative to Islam / Progressivism will look more meaningful and less derisive if Orthodoxy shows more signs of life. So far, this is more like the movement of the wings of a chicken with a severed head, rather than the triumphant return of Jesus Christ from Hell. Military and diplomatic successes mean little if certain problems are not resolved at the right time. The Immortal Regiment and other symbolic steps are pleasing to the eye, but they do not change the overall picture.
When the birth rate of ethnic Russians returns to the level of reproduction, fathers will have the right to shoot the uzbeks or something similar happens, I will be forced to agree. In this case, an active migration of reactionaries to Russia from countries that are dissatisfied with the state of affairs, but not ready for the fact that their children will be Chinese or Muslims, will begin. But so far, even in places like this blog I don’t see much enthusiasm for such a step.
Russian birthrates have been steadily rising under Putin.
Even with the peak near Putin values in 2015, the fertility rate was not higher than 1.8. In any case, the birth rate is falling back from that year.
The Jury is still out on Putin’s return to Orthodoxy. He needs to fully restore the patriarchal family but doing so will trigger war with the US. Most doubtful of all his Putin’s lack of a Son and heir. Men don’t tend to build good paths towards the future without a Son to pass it onto.
Russia is still mighty pozzed, and Russian Orthodoxy is still intolerably pozzed.
Has a long way to go, but it is heading in the correct direction.
The Nazis have come over to us (national capitalism and white sharia, except for the glowniggers). Chances are Orthodoxy will come to Paul (except for the demon worshippers in Harvard’s pocket).
Not a fan of Gateway pundit, but this is pretty good:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/revealed-images-police-officer-firing-flash-bombs-peaceful-trump-supporters-including-seniors-women-children-jan-6-video/
Capital cops were firing flash bangs into the crowd before any sort of fighting started. They were trying to induce a riot.
I hope he was careful not to shoot his FBI buddies in the crowd.
The capital police are a full fledged legislative branch paramilitary unit now.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/07/06/nancy-pelosi-directs-capitol-hill-security-police-units-to-regional-offices-in-california-and-florida-future-locations-coming/
Anonymous reports from library computers with lots of 4chan type stuff should be spammed to them…
Jogger in all fields.
Jim, can you please go over what the problems with national socialism and the Nazis are? Their ideology seemed to be fairly rooted in biological reality and while national socialism can clearly only work in an ethnostates, Germany was mostly homogeneous during that time and the system seemed to work for them. Please tell me what part of the picture I am missing.
PS. Most of my knowledge of Germany and the Nazis comes from David Irvings books, is he deficient or biased in any ways in his writings?
National Socialist
Socialism works great until you run out of other people’s money. Should have relied on the market to encourage the production of area intensive crops like potatoes. Instead they screwed the farmers – they had enough land with France, Greece, and Germany. The famine was the classic famine of socialism. Mysterious crop failure following price control of food supplies.
Also purple pilled. Pushed back a bit against female emancipation culturally, but no actual pushback against actual female emancipation. Porn banned, but romance literature not banned, lustful women not shotgun married.
Romance literature is OK provided that female immorality winds up with everyone dead, and it is the fault of the woman, or, in the case of adultery, the fault of the woman and her lover.
Also OK when, as in the magic flute, the patriarch says: “Oh, you like this guy? OK. I will put him through a dangerous test to see if he is worthy, and perhaps kill him if he is not.”
Its hard to seperate their industrial socialism and capital controls from preparing and waging total war, but their agricultural socialism (which was not established by Schadt) was just stupid and useless.
There are plenty of anecdotes about the usual destructiveness and waste of the Nazis socialist logistics to provide for total war. Xenophon treated non market logistics as an extraordinary and terrible exigency imposed on him by the enemy, not as part of the ordinary routine course of waging war.
Of course, in war you get lots of extraordinary and terrible exigencies, and Xenophon, father of economics, got lots of extraordinary and terrible exigencies, but he did his best to avoid them.
Similarly, the Crimean war, where both sides attempted to strike at the other’s logistics, with the result that civilians got hurt badly. Victorians said “Oh, that is terrible. We need socialist logistics.”
No you don’t. Military contractors should contract primarily with colonels and captains, and should frequently do so through Amazon and Ebay, or equivalents.
Ship building obviously requires a lot of centralism. If you are contracting with an admiral, the admiral has to at least clear his purchases with the sovereign, but the royal navy relied heavily on privately owned ships that were under royal call in return for royal protection all the way up to world war one. On the other hand, the Venetian Republic’s warship production was substantially socialist, but in the Venetian Republic, armed, dangerous, and piratical merchants owned the the government, rather than the government owning the merchants, so this was no more, and no less, socialist than Musk getting the contract to put men on the moon. The Venetian Navy at war in practice resembled a coalition of pirate kings. The British empire was founded by pirates, who mostly had royal permission to run up the royal flag, thus defining them as theoretically not pirates.
Socialism is chaos, and war unavoidably produces socialism and chaos – but the winner is the apt to be the one less afflicted by socialism and chaos.
The March Up Country had its logistics managed by the man who became the first economist. Clive of India was an accountant, and the wars of Clive of India resemble takeover bids between corporations with armed and dangerous shareholders, armed and dangerous boards, and armed and dangerous CEOs. Alexander the Great managed long distance warfare by having ten civilian camp followers for every soldier. Every man in the armies of Alexander and Xenophon fought.
If you insource logistics, you are going to wind up with a lot of logistics workers in the army. If you have one man in the army who does not fight, pretty soon you will have no men in the army who fight. An army has to all warriors. If all warriors, have to rely on outsourced logistics. Xenophon talks a lot about the market, and treated insourced logistics as an emergency to be resolved as quickly as possible. He had a lot of emergencies, and most of his leadership was getting out of these emergencies as quickly as possible.
Despite the extreme inefficiencies it was probably the only way for them to afford to rearm without depleting their foreign currency reserves completely.
Schadt hated socialism but at least until 1937 sincerely implemented socialist raw material and foreign currency capital controls anyway. Nothing excuses or mitigates the stupid agricultural policies though.
There is always a crisis for which socialism seems like the obvious and easy answer, and when nations conflict, it all too often is necessary. But the attitude of those implementing it should be this is a really bad emergency measure that is going to bite them, they should avoid it like the plague, and when forced to resort to it, finding a way out of the need to resort to it should be their highest priority. Xenophon, the first economist, did no end of socialism, but always treated it as the worst thing ever.
It is today said that logistics is more important than tactics, a saying prefigured by Xenophon saying that access to the market is more important than enemy armies.
This was Schadt’s attitude unfortunately for Germany Hitler did not agree.
>Despite the extreme inefficiencies it was probably the only way for them to afford to rearm without depleting their foreign currency reserves completely.
Stalin turned Soviet Russia into the #2 indusial power on the planet just by hiring American engineers build their indusial base and train their workers and mangers in American Style Mass Production. Why didn’t Hitler do the same?
I’ve never gotten the whole re-armaments thing with Nazi Germany. Countries like the UK, US, and Russia just switched from consumer goods to war goods in their factories starting in 1938. Germany largely did the same but their factories didn’t use mass production and thanks to wage and price controls every cost more and produced fewer war goods than a similar UK, US, and Russian factory.
Sure they were building plenty of large military only goods plants, but the economic reality of building factories is your need to make something of value in them so you don’t break the bank making soon to be obsolete weapon systems on the run up to war. Retooling is always necessary, but it’s easier to do when you have more factories because those factories where producing items of value before you converted them to war production.
German weapon systems were generally higher quality than their foes early on, but this also resulted in the Germans largely fighting most battles using obsolete weapons systems because they couldn’t produce enough of the new weapons to supply the troops. That’s the legacy of the Nazi arms build up.
Russia had massive massive natural resources Germany had almost none, it had to import both food and raw materials this meant it had to earn foreign exchange. Furthermore it had shit farmland, furthermore it had war reparations it had to at least partially pay in order to not get frozen out of world markets completely. Germany didn’t lack engineering experts it lacked resources (other than coal and iron, and not enough iron).
Germany was somewhat suppressing consumer consumption from 1934 on and massively suppressing it from late 1936-1937 on. Consumer goods (those that weren’t for exports, those stayed open) didn’t go down much during the war because they were already mostly shut down. Germany went to a war economy under Hitler long before the war started.
In 1939 and 1940 the German weapons were not of that high quality, the mark I and II panzers sucked. Their early planes were average better than the French but inferior to the British (except for their dive bombers but the problem with dive bombers is you needed a maniac superpilot to fly them).
They were right to focus on QUALITY in terms of a lot of things later on because they were limited in terms of going for quantity via scarcity of raw materials. They had coal and they had iron but as far as oil and rubber goes they were severely limited and somewhat limited with copper, chromium nickel etc.
When Germany had only their own farmland, discouraged the farmers from producing food.
When they had all of mainland europe, and only the phony war troubling them, they had plenty of farmers and farmland, and did the same to those farmers.
In 1940 the best tank in the world was the Panzer 3. The best fighter in the world was the BF109. The Best dive bomber ever made was Junkers Ju 87. I don’t even recall the name of the German medium bomber, but in terms of effectiveness it far outclassed the allies bombers in successful attacks. Best AA gun? The 88. Best Machine gun? The MG34. etc.
Germany didn’t have a 4 engine bomber because Hitler because the idiots put in charge of the airforce after 1936 were more interested in lining their pockets rather than mass producing effective planes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luftwaffe#Wever_years,_1933%E2%80%931936
The Panzer Is and IIs were basically mid 1930s training tanks that were thrown into combat and they did amazingly well thanks to well trained crews and radios. But again the reason they used them was that they couldn’t produce enough Panzer IIIs and IVs due to the high cost of construction and lack of mass production in the Nazi Socialist Economy.
Hitler wanted the best weapons and ordered his socialist economy to produce them. As socialist economics tend to do they’re unable to produce large quantiles of cutting edge weapons systems, which left the Germans mostly stuck with old gear.
The UK made massive quantities of inferior fighters (hurricanes) and plenty of decent fighters like the Spitfire. The airwar was won by quantity, not quality. Hitler should have ran a capitalist economy with mass production factory construction subsidized by the state.
Their farm policy was retarded, almost soviet in the early 30s retarded i agree completely on this. But even without the dumb farm policy they’d still have to import food until the fall of france.
Empire forces won the War by throwing a shit ton of stuff at the enemy. It is interesting that China is pursuing the same strategy, where its sole industrial output matches or surpasses the entire enemy combined, while Empire is pursuing the failed German strategy of producing “higher quality” goods in quantities insufficient to matter.
Except that they don’t appear to be higher quality.
NG had a smaller total economic capacity than its opponents. When it was only faced with 20-50% enemy superiority, it did fine.
@jim
Just a reminder, is there a good English translation of Anabasis/The Ten Thousand that you recommend?
Re: Clive of India
Can confirm. East India Company was the best thing to have happened to North Indian traders, and they made a lot of people very rich, including a lot of Indians. That Clive got rid of a number of obnoxious Muslim rulers was just the cherry on top.
Are you saying that if the British Crown did not take over in 1858, the EIC would have made India like Hong Kong?
If *parliament*, that pack of demotist managerialists, would be made unable not take over in 1858, then yes, it would have been much better in India.
It is said that Britain acquired an empire in a ‘fit of absent mind’; meaning, it was not it’s ‘official’ structures, which were terminally mutated by ‘enlightenment’ mold-spores by then, that were responsible for the good and the great that was accomplished.
This is a consistent theme of, what you might call, modern societies; that achievements, if they happen, happen in spite of regnant power structures that must display obeisance to officially unofficial religion, not because of them – and where they happen, it is when a man can route around such structures, not go through them.
I wouldn’t exactly call them extraordinary and terrible. In Anabasis they seemed like things that just happened, a reasonably typical happening during a war, which is by nature unpredictable. The typical passage reads something like “Yes, Ambassador, what you say is true, however in our defense the city did not provide a market, so we pillaged the surrounding countryside for what we needed.”
Perhaps he refers to such logistics in worse terms in his other books, but in this his most famous book he treats them as part of the natural hierarchy of logistics, to be found somewhere in between buying things at market, and burning the city to the ground.
Yes, but when he is initially giving speeches to get the ten thousand moving, he tells them that the worst thing is not the army of the great King, but that access to the market has been denied. He does not think that pillaging to get what you need is very satisfactory way of getting supplies.
Yes, did it quite routinely, but did his best to avoid needing to do it routinely. And when there was resistance, told the men to loot and burn. He does not explain that strategy, but I conjecture it was intended to pressure the enemy to providing market access.
Also, markets tend to appear after he has a little chat with the local authorities. It does seem that he is making market access happen under threat of considerable unpleasantness if it does not happen. He thinks and talks about markets more than casualties, more than weapons.
At any rate, an absolutely fascinating look into the mind of one of the world’s greatest leaders. I was struck by the similarity between his conduct and that of Cortez in Mexico.
Cortez: led the men and prayed and gave thanks to the LORD, then went into battle.
Xenophon: sacrificed the victims (animals) to the God(s) and looked for favorable signs, then went into battle.
I think that Xenophon was hampered just a little by the somewhat superstitious nature of his religion, and fared not quite as well as Cortez did. Christ tells us not to pay attention to signs, clearly referring to the bird signs, entrails, etc, of the pagan-style religions.
Cortez simply prays, then goes into battle, whereas Xenophon is kept waiting, sometimes for days, until he gets a favorable reading.
But both religions, followed strictly by their leaders, gave such great group cohesion that in both cases a small group of men withstood their far superior, by number, foes.
There is no comparison between Xenophon and Cortez as there can be no comparison between the Roman and British Empires
One pulled off great feats against foes at similar levels of technology as oneself while the other conquered foes with much much inferior equipment.
The “British” Empire, at least in India, was actually the East India Company Trading Empire which the Crown usurped and amalgamated into poz. It is difficult to explain how big the EIC was, but I’ll just say that it had a bigger Army than Britain and its ships were equal to, if not better than Royal Navy. You might note that the US National Anthem was written during a trans-Atlantic voyage onboard a Wadia-built ship.
The EIC was *this* close to attaining Sovereignty and achieving cyberpunk “Corporation” status. But they fucked it up because they had no State Religion — they were vulnerable to the Archbishop of Canterbury, who, by 1858, was an agent of poz. Even at its height, EIC officers wanted to be invited to parties in London, not Delhi or Bombay. The same virus has been inherited by our cucked “IAS.”
If we ever get our shit together I’m going to let Bulls like Ambani and Harshad Mehta have a free reign and just slurp the massive taxes they will generate, a la Veerji Vora. The only reason Adani’s Carmichael coal is languishing underground is that the Indian Govt is generating holiness.
It is a shame Xenophon allowed faggotry in his army, and may or may not have engaged in it himself. Without that, he might have been perfect.
Yeah, cortez’ feat was much more impressive. The conquest of New Spain was accomplished with sword and pike; Cortez brought only 30 arquebusiers and 30 crossbowmen, along with two cannon. Most of the armor was left behind due to the heat. But he routinely destroyed armies an order of magnitude or more greater than his, because his men had military discipline and the Aztecs did not.
Imagine conquering an Empire with a single platoon on a mere cartography mission against orders.
Can’t say I’m a huge fan of the Spanish but Cortez was definitely a total badass.
Nazi belief in socialism is overstated; they believed in the “socialism” of Oswald Spengler’s Prussianism and Socialism, not the socialism of Progressivism and Marxism in which every person is equally productive and organization takes place by magic. Hitler makes this very clear: https://hitler.org/speeches/01-27-32.html Of course the Nazi state was socialist in various ways, especially in areas of martial law, but that was true of all states in WWII.
The Nazis were hopelessly purple pilled, and this would have been the biggest weakness of the German state had it survived. In his Table Talk, Hitler repeatedly argues against enforceable marriage.
The main credit to the Nazis is that they were winners and they won.
The chaos of the offensive against Russia and the famine sure look like socialism as usual. Yes, it was different from commie socialism. It was also different from Venezuelan socialism. And Mao socialism was different from Trotsky socialism, which was different from Pol Pot socialism.
In the end, the differences don’t matter a pinch of beans.
Uh, pretty sure they lost
I don’t know if you read the speech I linked, but it doesn’t read like anything from any Marxist factionalist.
The aristocratic-meritocratic position stated by Hitler would be utterly unacceptable to a modern Western centrist too, who supposedly believes in free markets.
And his prediction is coming true: our centrist democracy, which rhetorically lives side by side with free markets, is throttling free markets in practice because it conceded the false principle that everyone is equally moral and wise, and the best decision making comes for free from a show of hands of the workers. The centrist supposedly believes in free markets, and supposedly believes in capitalism, but has no principled argument why capitalism shouldn’t result in every engineering department being 15% black.
I never called him a Marxist. I called him a socialist. The differences between nationalist and internationalist socialists don’t matter and I don’t care about them.
The aristocrats and the owners of large businesses in German did not care about them either, and generally scarcely noticed them. Their view was based and realistic.
Capitalism results in every engineering department being white and male. If the heavy hand of the government results in a different outcome, not capitalism.
“I never called him a Marxist. I called him a socialist. The differences between nationalist and internationalist socialists don’t matter and I don’t care about them.”
You did not call him a Marxist, but you did characterize the differences between his view on socialism and the Marxist view as like to that between Marxist splitters (Mao, Pol Pot, etc.). None of those Marxist splitters could or would have written:
“If the view is right that there are differences in human achievement, then it must also be true that the value of men in respect of the production of certain achievements is different It is then absurd to allow this principle to hold good only In one sphere – the sphere of economic life and its leadership – and to refuse to acknowledge its validity in the sphere of the whole life-struggle of a people – the sphere of politics. Rather the logical course is that if I recognize without qualification in the economic sphere the fact of special achievements as forming the condition of all higher culture, then in the same way I should recognize special achievement in the sphere of politics, and that means that I am bound to put in the forefront the authority of personality. If, on the contrary, it is asserted – and that, too, by those engaged in business – that in the political sphere special capacities are not necessary but that here an absolute equality in achievement reigns, then one day this same theory will be transferred from politics and applied to economic life.”
This is a principled defense of human inequality and capitalism, and the justly unequal claims of men in view of both differences in their capacity to produce and their capacity to organize.
And it is a prediction that capitalism, albeit admitted by centrist democrats rhetorically, will inevitably be destroyed by any ideology whatsoever that cannot make a principled defense of human inequality, as our modern neoliberal centrists cannot.
“The aristocrats and the owners of large businesses in German did not care about them either, and generally scarcely noticed them. Their view was based and realistic.”
Hitler was both personally and ideologically hostile to aristocracy. He was also hostile to stock profits (I don’t agree with him on this point) so the big business owners were right to fear him. But in the speech I linked above, he is trying to win them over, and doing so by correctly pointing out how much their outlooks have in common. Any other kind of ‘socialist’ would not have been able to make a speech like that.
In reality the big business owners probably lost more from Nazi potentates stealing stuff than from ideological moves to restrict dividend payments.
“Capitalism results in every engineering department being white and male. If the heavy hand of the government results in a different outcome, not capitalism.”
Sure. Modern moderates supposedly suppose capitalism, but cannot say
“If the view is right that there are differences in human achievement, then it must also be true that the value of men in respect of the production of certain achievements is different It is then absurd to allow this principle to hold good only In one sphere – the sphere of economic life and its leadership – and to refuse to acknowledge its validity in the sphere of the whole life-struggle of a people – the sphere of politics. Rather the logical course is that if I recognize without qualification in the economic sphere the fact of special achievements as forming the condition of all higher culture, then in the same way I should recognize special achievement in the sphere of politics, and that means that I am bound to put in the forefront the authority of personality. If, on the contrary, it is asserted – and that, too, by those engaged in business – that in the political sphere special capacities are not necessary but that here an absolute equality in achievement reigns, then one day this same theory will be transferred from politics and applied to economic life.”
and so capitalism is dying on their watch, as every engineering department is being made 50% female, 15% black, 5% homosexual…
As Hitler predicted in his Dusseldorf speech of 1932.
PS. Would you mind taking me off moderation if you do not want to ban me? I have made quite a lot of posts since the moderation, so it should be enough to decide if you think I am a shill or not.
Taking you off moderation.
I automatically assume nazis are feds, but this is not always true.
Capitalism needs a principled defense of inequality. It also needs a principled defense of accumulated wealth and of property rights, which National Socialism was notably lacking.
There were a couple of good bits hidden in the expected long-windedness:
It was not quite as insane as Marxist socialism but it was close. The socialism as implemented by Schadt can be defended as perhaps the only way a bankrupt country like Germany could have rearmed but as I keep repeating there is NOTHING defensible about their agricultural policy.
And no they didn’t win in the end.
Since the Nazis had to cut a deal with conservative German parties to come to power., part of this deal was to empower the Wehrmacht and cut down the SA to size.
Hitler had to act against the SA not only to appease the Generals, but also because (and this is the major reason) the SA leadership (Ernst Röhm the chief of them) were holiness spiralling on the socialism part of National Socialism and posing a challenge to the cult of the Führer which he had assiduously built up within the Party and was just beginning to establish natoinwide. Socialism is always hostile to bona fide Nationalism and you can see the contradiction here.
Hitler had to walk a tightrope to manage the tension between the conservative Wehrmacht generals and the radical wing of the Party.
This is why National Socialism doesn’t “feel” like the Commie socialism. Had the holiness spiralling been allowed, Germany would have gone down the Commie path.
Mostly agree but Hitler ideologically sympathized with Roehm (as did Goebbels, Bormann and many Gauleiters) ideologically, though Goering Himmler and Heydrich generally did not.
It wasn’t just that the SA wanted to holiness spiral, Roehm probably WAS actively plotting to overthrow Hitler (and his nominal superior still at the time Hindenberg). Trusting a man who is a leftist or a homosexual is generally a bad idea, trusting a man who is both…
Hitler crushed the radical wing of the party, the problem is he was also sympathetic to it himself more so than the reactionaries in the army and around Hindenberg. As time went on the state got more and more socialistic even beyond what was required to rearm as a bankrupt country with few native raw materials.
Whig history.
Nut history
Papen did broker a deal… the Nazis outmanuevered them later fundamentally because Hitler was capable of massive street violence and the nationalist right was not. I’m not sure what you disagree with about the idea that they cut a deal entirely?
The deal was to allow the appearance of democratic outcome, without the unpleasant results of actual democratic outcome. You are phrasing it as if the deal was to install Hitler undemocratically. No, Hitler had won democratically. The deal was to install Papen undemocratically.
The deal was that the Nazis would nominally take power, preserving the appearance of democracy, but Papen and company would actually govern, rendering the fact that Papen and company could not actually win votes irrelevant.
The deal did not provide what Papen expected, because Papen was deluded by normality bias. Hitler correctly perceived that nothing mattered except the ability to turn law enforcement off for some crimes and on for other crimes.
I mean a bankrupt country that was also massively dependent on a lot of imports (Germany had pretty poor farmland and its only real natural resources were Coal and not quite enough Iron Ore).
Spengler thought, like many at the time, that a great man needed to take command of the economy. He believed that money was power, so no man could become Caesar without also controlling the economy. History proved him wrong. There are some parts of the natural order that should not be messed with, and the market is one of them.
The King is commander of the economy, the Honorary Patron of every company. Every business activity is conducted under His watchful eye and in His name. The “economy” literally belongs to Caesar, and he is ordained to collect taxes from it. Spengler does not seem to draw this distinction and goes into the weeds.
An Emperor indifferent to the economy, and indifferent to appointing loyal officers in every Board of Directors, will rapidly see the economy, hence his tax base, erode away and get captured by Moloch/Woke Capital/some other demon. Every single Director of the East India Company was personally loyal and liable to the King, and the EIC (Vaishya) was successful under His Patronage through the Royal Navy (Kshatriya) and Anglican Church (Brahmins), not vice versa.
Being in control of the economy does not mean micro-managing everything a la communism. Just like the King being in control of every sports league doesn’t mean that the King is supposed to call every shot. He can call every shot (satirised in “The Dictator”) but must be wise enough to realise it would be stupid to do so. This is what tinpot dictators fail to grasp. Letting sportsmen do their own thing, and Vaishyas do their own thing, is the Dharmic way.
This goes too far, woke demons can be dealt with by sporadic executions and most of the time they should not be a problem, culture is downstream of power, the sovereign generally should not try to manage the economy as this will tend to destroy the economy.
Early 20th century industrial total wars are a special circumstance where sometimes raw material (despite the massive inefficiency this entails) had to be rationed and allocated administratively because they were short and demand massively exceeds supply.
Wrong. You need to go back and study capitalist economics. Interfering with price signals benefits no one. When prices go up, industry finds ways to make the same product with alternative materials.
The only substitute they had for their most crucial resource oil was developed socialistically under massive subsidies to IG Farben the Leuna synthetic gasoline.
Socialism is massively inefficient and normally stupid and waging total war for Germany was stupid in itself, but within the stupidity of waging a total war I don’t think they could have won there really wasn’t an alternative.
We’re talking about different things. Subsiding infrastructure construction is a good thing. Price and wage controls are not. One preps a nation for future need, while the other distorts the ability to correctly allocate resources for no gain.
Though Germany would have been far better off with subsiding 4X the railroad infrastructure in order be ready to rapidly expand that infrastructure into Poland and Russia.
The synthetic gasoline plants kept the war going longer, but taking the Russian oil fields in 1941 or 42 would have won the war and the limiting factor for Germany in 41 and 42 was the railroad logistic system.
German troops froze in the winter of 41/42 because their cold weather gear was stuck in railcars in Warsaw. The story was same everywhere in the east, German units smashed the Russians until they ran out of Fuel and Ammo and the limiting factor wasn’t the supply of fuel, since they were able to supply the air force with plenty. The issue was getting the fuel to the troops via rail transport.
I once described monarchial capitalism as a man owning a large tract of land that he allows others to develop and exploit in return for a cut. Trying to micromanage your contractors is simple insanity or envy. Charter capitalism. Individuals and corporate entities get a specific charter from the king, fount of all honors, that entitles them to engage in a specific activity, and the king provides the peace under which all can prosper. The king holds the sword, so could theoretically break his contract, but if he does this, will find that nobody wants to enter into terms with him.
In other words, we are in almost total agreement, but I simply didn’t elaborate. When I said command, I meant in the sense of a ‘command economy’, not in the sense of suzerainty over economic activity.
The sovereign should make law, but should only make it when he has consensus for it – signing the consensus into law, or refusing to sign it. He, however is the ultimate interpreter of law, and can make exceptions.
Interfering with private property is an exception, and if he makes so many exceptions that the exception swallows the rule, or if he signs into law a whole bunch of exceptions, he will find that his overmighty servants have swallowed him, and we get anarcho tyranny.
Which is how King Louis of France lost his head.
Woah. I just now grasped that Tolkien had OT redpill values. In Beren & Luthien, the patriarch puts Beren through a dangerous test to see if he is worthy of Luthien, threatening to kill him if not.
Jim blog is best blog
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Tolkien%27s_grave.jpg/800px-Tolkien%27s_grave.jpg
Looks like the corrupt Democrat candidate for NYC mayor managed to stop the steal and win, but just barley. The left may not be able to steal the primaries next year.
Adams, apparently, is no stranger to machine politics himself so I wonder if he countered fraud with fraud. Or maybe he was the one who was stealing it himself? Finding “test†ballots is not suppose to happen. They are just supposed to be added to the count without anyone noticing.
I’m sure Adams was stuffing ballots as well. Once election rigging starts the only way to win is either control the voting infrastructure with your guys or by creating your own fraud. Adams camp was the group protesting the extra votes that magically showed up after election night, so he did in fact stop the steal from those more leftwing than him.
The MO of current lefts rigging is to get the totals and then rig just enough to make it seem close, hence why they only won Georgia by 11k votes. Hillary was using this system in 2016 as well but they didn’t have real time vote totals, just projections hence why she didn’t demand a recount in the close states. They’d already done a massive amount of fraud and didn’t want it uncovered.
Source of Hamid Gul’s comment:
https://massive.gmu.edu/pakistan-americas-frenemy/
It was an 80s comment, strangely prescient.
Just as I celebrated when Trumpenfuhrer announced pullout from ME wars, I celebrate today. In the struggle between Baphomet and Moloch, I only reach for popcorn. I silently root for Baphomet because this enemy is a known quantity for a millenium, and, though obnoxious, is less bad than Moloch. A strong, powerful Caliphate led by men of intelligence (like Turkish Aryans) is much, much better than a horde of non-agreement capable Mad Mullahs.
This is a fact. Our nuclear arsenal might as well not exist at all, as I’ve pointed out on my blog[1]. Hindu society has a lot of internal demons to kill (before they kill us lol). One aspect of a credible nuclear deterrent is also a perception of “unhinged” leadership. An “unhinged” leader is impervious to Mutually Assured Destruction bunkum and can be expected to launch nukes at any time for any reason or no reason. This has been mastered by North Korea, and partially implemented by Pakistan. America always lives under fear of “jihadis” getting to Pakistani nukes. “Jihadis” meaning Pakistani soldiers merely drop their military uniform and don Islamic robes. A lot of “jihadis” whom we killed in the Kargil conflict turned out to be Pakistani regulars who their Govt didn’t claim[2].
Being a “responsible” nuclear power is not being a nuclear power at all. The same quandary is faced by Putin — he wargames American moves, considers them illogical, than in surprised when Empire actually goes ahead and conduct those illogical moves anyway. I was unhappy with an American warship conducting an Ashwamedha Yagya technically close to India[1], especially with India’s non-response. But then I read UK violates Russian waters, BBC broadcasts it, and Putin gives one warning after another[3]. Putin says sinking it would not have started WWIII[4], but he clearly doesn’t believe it, or else he would have actually sunk it rather than kvetching about it. Russia’s assessment of America not being “agreement capable” is really acknowledgement that America’s nuclear deterrent is a real deterrent, whether those nukes work or not.
[1]: https://homeoftheoldgods.wordpress.com/2021/05/13/india-under-squeeze/
[2]: Did we cut off their heads and stick them on pikes along the border? No. We gave them “honourable” burials. Pakistani Army has no qualms about decapitating Indian soldiers though.
[3]: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-moment-a-uk-warship-meets-russian-forces/vi-AALoG3O
[4]: https://news.sky.com/story/even-if-russia-had-sunk-uk-warship-it-would-not-have-caused-world-war-three-says-putin-12345546
Please tell me more about these demons. Name their names so that I can see them too.
(Don’t know if you addressed this question to Jim or to me.)
The chief antagonist of Dharma is perpetually Adharma. In this specific case, Hindu society is grasped in the claws of Kali (pronounced ‘cully’ as in ‘Scully’), who is a descendant of Adharma, and is the chief demon of our Age. It is immortal and impossible to kill — the best that can be done is to mortally wound it, at which point it will flee to the next cosmic cycle.
However, Maharaja Parikshit’s experience shows us that the effects of Kali can be kept in abeyance indefinitely by a Dharmic ruler. In this I interpret Kali to simply be an embodiment of chaos, of increasing entropy, which is a state of nature that cannot be altered; but with enough energy spend we can wrest order from it, which will hold for an indefinite time, as long as we keep exerting.
Kali’s trademarks are incest (his whole family is incestuous), and perversion of all eusocial relations, between father and son, or husband and wife, or between landlord and tenant. In this his political system is like a “democracy” while economic system not unlike communism. This striking correspondence was what led me to explore western NRx in the first place. Kali’s mode of operation is to first destroy practice of one’s ancestral gunas (abilities): he promotes Brahmins into holiness spiralling, Kshatriyas into civil war, Vaishyas into unlimited greed, and Shudras into laziness — thus bringing the Dharma Chakra to a halt. All this is really visible in present Hindu society (and also non-Hindu society, but that’s another thing).
I … feel wiser now. This made a lot of data points click into position.
Thank you.
When Jim talks about Kali being a Demon, he does not mean KaliYuga as you seem to mean. He means Goddess Kali.
Who in India knowingly worships KaliYuga!! No one
Who in India knowingly worships Goddess Kali? Lots and lots of people
Well I refer to YHWH as a Semitic demon all the time, so Jim is entitiled to his observation.
I use the word “demon” in the sense of “spirit” or “daemon,” where “eudaemon” would be a benevolent spirit and “cacodaemon” a malevolent one. It is important that the same spirit may be benevolent to one group and harmful to another. Prime example: Baphomet is the Father of Ishmaelites and has always favoured them, while he is the implacable enemy of Aryans.
Jim’s assessment of Kali Mata as a dangerous demon is, to an outsider, reasonable. Violent, temperamental gods, especially which demand human sacrifice, are not to be taken lightly. Holiness spiralling in the cult of one of such gods very rapidly leads to Moloch or Aztec levels of destruction. Kali Mata worship or Narasimha worship requires very strict controls by the High Priest to prevent demonic capture, and must be done accompanied by Paladins with strict instructions to execute celebrants at any sign of demonic possession. 40K gets this spot on as well — psykers are a necessary evil but are always under the supervision of Space Marines with sensitive trigger fingers.
I’ll have to make a post about this stuff, but I’m short of time lol.
“Worship” as in “knowledge” and “temple activities” counts for nothing. Sri Chitragupta Maharaj only records Karma, that is, actions. By actions it seems a lot of people worship Kali the demon, and not a lot of people worship Kali Mata. Every dishonour to one’s guru, every fratricide, every fraud in business, every shirking of duty is a sacrifice to Kali the demon and makes him more powerful. He is the Invisible Lord — no-one says he worships Kali Yuga, but most of them actually do.
It is difficult to accept your explanation. What Jim’s charge is that Hindus are explicitly worshipping Demons, referring to Goddess Kali as well as Lord Krishna.
What you are saying is that Hindus are implicitly worshipping Demons as in Kali Yuga. Taken implicitly, even Mohammedans are worshipping Moloch if any “radical” Imam is to be asked. So this explanation does not satisfy me.
What I am requesting is a response to the charge that Hindus explicitly Worship demons as in Goddess Kali and Lord Krishna.
I think Suones has no problem with the proposition that Hinduism is demon infested. As to which Gods are demons, and to what extent worship is demonic, it is hard for him to discuss this without committing a dozen heresies, so its kind of a hot spot.
When people wanted me to discuss Christology and the nature of the trinity, I shut them down. Such discussions of the unknown, the unknowable, and the incomprehensible are unprofitable and dangerous.
The heresy prohibitions are to shut down such unprofitable discussion.
Attempted clarification of the extent of demon infestation of Hinduism is likely to further, rather than reduce, such infestation. Needs to be done with the same care as major surgery on a patient with metastatic cancer reaching his heart and brain.
I wish DharmicReality would read this comment of yours before deciding to quit in a Huff. You’ve pretty much explained Suones Silence on this topic. And I agree. It is better for Suones to be silent.
It’s almost as if you are a Hindu sympathizer at least to some extent. Some part of your old Blood still sympathizes with the Old Gods who guided the evolution of your race in the Tundra or the Steppe.
I think just like you would ask someone who is trying to be holier than Jesus to walk on Water, Just like Buddhists ask someone holier than Buddha to tame a wild and drunk elephant charging at him, Hindus should ask someone trying to emulate Krishna by cuckolding his fellow men to lift a mountain with their little finger.
Problem Solved! QED
I misunderstood Jim’s earlier ban on Blasphemy of Jesus Christ which I vaguely remembered. But still I wish to clarify my own position. To my knowledge, I’ve refrained from attacking other Gods, unless gravely provoked to do so.
From what I’ve read, Suones is trying to bring about a reconciliation between the Old Aryan Gods and Christianity on the one hand and Hinduism on the other and generally unite the descendants of Aryas under one banner. But the problem is that today, neither a traditional Hindu nor a traditional Christian is likely to accept this reconciliation.
I myself think that it’s pointless to do so. While Hinduism retains some ancestral worship, Western civilization has no worship of Ancestors to speak of since long ago and I doubt that any call to Aryan ancestry is likely to work, if at all. Even Jim is not convinced on this point.
That’s okay. It’s their loss. Let’s try to make their and our Old Gods work for us. Thor, Zeus and Indra are not really different. Invoking Indra to fill us with his warrior spirit is not different from Invoking Thor to do the same.
We can’t convince anyone of the power of the old Gods merely with argument. We can only do that by becoming a genuine competitor to them. And we can do that only if we learn how to invoke our old Gods and convince them to bestow their personal qualities on at least some of us. Then we will be a force to be reckoned with. But does anyone among us know how to invoke the Old Gods anymore?
As a Hindu thinker called Mohanty something (Pegun cat on Twitter before he got banned) used to say, The Gods are real. Maybe more real than you and me. It’s about time we came with the pudding as proof.
In a society without patriarchal families whose family faith is centered on ancestor worship, worship of the old Aryan gods is always going to be fake and gay.
I’ll pile on with my own question: Suones, who do you mean with baphomet? Wiki tells me something about templars worshipping a half-goat who encourages sodomy. It’s very vague.
Baphomet is a pejorative for the god of Islam.
The Templars were accused of worshipping a demon head on a wall that spoke to them and gave them orders, and it was supposedly called Baphomet. One theory is that “Baphomet” is a corruption of Mohammed, and Templars had secretly converted to Islam, and the whole demon head story is a Medieval misunderstanding/exaggeration of this.
My usage of “Moloch” and “Baphomet” only loosely corresponds to their historical perception. I’ll try to make a post about these when I have time.
Rectification of names. “Moloch” is one of our shibboleths, Bahomet is not. Please use “Moloch” consistent with our usage, or clarify inconsistent usage.
Krishna celebrates kinslaying, and the Hindus could not stand cohesively against the british because their ruling elite kept killing each other, in substantial part killing family members. Krishna was canonised by Aleister Crowley, a notorious demon worshiper.
Krishna was a South Indian, not Aryan, deity. Which may have something to do with his skin color.
Krishna undermined patriarchal control of female sexuality, The central events of Krishna’s life are seducing a whole lot of milkmaids, and a fratricidal war in which an extended Aryan patriarchal ruling family wipes itself out. Immediately before his death, Krishna is condemned by a surviving family member for the fact that this conflict was so self destructive.
The philosophical payload of the Krishna cult is that this world is illusion, so priestly support for maintaining family order and good conduct in this world is irrelevant. It does not matter that the fratricidal conflict wiped out the ruling family, and family members should not care.
And the British conquered because the Rajas did not care.
Payload story is: Aryan prince is going into a battle in which his family will destroy itself utterly. The way chariot warfare worked is expensive two man chariot, highly trained aristocratic warrior in expensive armor with very expensive weapons doing the fighting, highly expendable charioteer controlling the horses. The charioteer is Krishna. Prince says this is a really bad idea. Charioteer gives a lengthy religious philosophical discourse explaining that it does not matter because nothing matters.
Nah, it was a really bad idea. The Krishna religion was an attack on Aryan extended family cohesion by Dravidian demon priests during or a short while after the collapse of Bronze age civilization, attacking male control of female sexuality and family cohesion. Krishna the seducer attacked Aryan control of female sexuality. Krishna the charioteer attacked the Aryan extended family, and Krishna the religion continues to do these things today.
How does the charioteers compare with the knightly cavalry aristocracy in Europe and Samurai in Japan?
Same basic principle. Social domination by a highly trained warrior elite with expensive equipment.
The samurai fumbled the transition to guns. The charioteers fumbled the transition to iron javelins.
As for knights, the problem was not so much bullets against armor, as explosives against castles. When Kings found they could blast their way into castles, they found it more convenient to pay in gold rather than land.
Or rather the problem was that when the King’s men fought their way into the castle, they now had the castle and their Lord the King had to be nice to them. When they blasted their way into the castle, they did not have a castle, and the King was apt to give them a pat on the head and their regular payroll, rather than the castle.
This is a very serious charge, Jim. I may not agree with you fully, but I do not have sufficient knowledge to counter your arguments effectively. I will leave it to Suones, DharmicReality or Aryaman to have a go if they relish the challenge
Krishna indicates the turning point when the Chief God of the Vedic pantheon, Shri Indra, was replaced by Shri Vishnu — through the episode with Mt Govardhana. The literal barbarism on display in the Mahabharata, as compared to the relatively more civilised Ramayana, has been a vexing question for ancient historians also. The explanation is that Dvapara Yuga, Shri Krishna’s time, is the midway point between Dharma and Adharma, and after His passing Adharma will become the dominant force on earth.
The multiple escapades of Shri Krishna are not to be emulated, because we’re not gods. And, being born into human form and thus subject to human Laws of Karma, Shri Krishna receives punishment for all the evil deeds he committed, including destruction of his clan and final ignominious death at the hands of a hunter. Similarly, the Pandavas suffer for the fratricide they committed, and none except Shri Maharaj Yudhishtira achieves salvation.
Mahabharata is a tale of what not to do. If Shri Maharaj Dhritarashtra had not been blind to Dharma (literally as well as figuratively), none of this would’ve happened.
As for not caring about anything, that is battlefield advice. Once the chariots are assembled and the Armies face each other, it is folly to indulge in philosophical speculation. The time for talk is before battle, not during it. In battle, Dharma is achieving Victory. Western scholars, and their Indian lapdogs, fetishise the “Bhagvad Gita,” whereas it should always be read within the broader context of the Mahabharata, of which it is a part.
> Aleister Crowley
😂
Sounes bhai you are being needlessly defensive. Jim has specifically called our Gods demons and implicitly called us demon worshippers.
Since we are not allowed to blaspheme Jesus Christ here there is no proper discussion possible. Jim’s blog Jim’s rules, I respect that.
I suggest we take our discussion on Hinduism to our own blogs and stop posting here.
Oh come on. You guys have been calling God a semitic demon, and we nonetheless were able to have civilized and mutually informative discussion.
I prohibit people who claim to be Christian from committing heresy against Christianity. I don’t prohibit atheists, Hindus, and Muslims from committing heresy against Christianity. That would make it very hard to have a conversation.
Thanks for the clarification.
To be honest though, I didn’t originally call your Christ a demon. Suones calls YHWH a Semitic demon. Since I am not a Christian I don’t get whether that’s an attack on Christianity or not.
Maybe I was overly sensitive about it.
That’s the spirt! Delighted that you will stay.
To Ayodhya and then the Stars.
@jim
Name the god. I have never called Deus pater a Semitic demon. Is your “God” “YHWH?” “Baphomet?”
Similarly for Jesus Christ: Was he a Jewish carpenter and community organiser who challenged YHWHegians and was executed by them for his crimes[1]? Or is he the Immortal Son of Deus pater? I find Missionaries reliably fail to answer this simple question, which indicates either mental confusion or demonic possession, possibly both. I found your formulation of the Christian shill test very similar to my observation.
[1] This group includes all established Churches today. Vox Day calls them “Churchians,” I call them “Chrestians,” after Suetonius. If anything, it is Jimian exegesis that is heretical. You can ask the Pope if unsure lol.
Not at all clear to me that YHWH and Deus Pater are different gods. Call him a Semitic demon all you like; I do not get that impression from reading the Old Testament. YHWH appears on mountaintops, as fire and light, a light so powerful that to look on it unveiled is instant death. Sounds like a solar deity to me, sounds like Ahura Mazda.
The Ancient Israelites were of indeterminate race, being later mixed with the inhabitants of the Levant, largely genocided by the Romans, and then the modern Jew being even further mixed with A.D. converts to Phariseeism. They spoke a Semitic language, but language does not make the Persians Arabs, Dravidians Aryans, or the inhabitants of the Anatolia Turks. The AI remembered the Black Sea deluge, which suggests that they did not come up from the Arabian Peninsula as racial Semites, but came down from the North in the 5000s or 4000s BC, making them geographical neighbors of the Aryan homeland. I will not say that they were Aryan themselves, because described as dark-haired too often in the Old Testament, but they were likely related; and Aryans often breed the blond out by capturing native women; you as an Indian should be well aware.
Their oldest form of religion is a patriarchal clan-based society where the patriarch is high priest, claiming descent from a semi-divine ancestor, and performing sacrifices by fire to a solar god who lives in the sky, with a system of woman-ownership very similar to that of ancient Aryan societies.
The oldest form of their society is as roving bands of warrior-pastoralists who would fight against and enter into the service of settled grain-farming cities. The fact that Moses is in Pharaoh’s court, and can negotiate with him, suggests that the AI were employed as mercenaries rather than slaves, and the Exodus was a failed coup during Egyptian Hyksos weakness. The fact that they found the desert so intolerable during their exile suggests to me that they could not have had racially Semitic origins in the Arabian desert. The desert was an alien environment, while grassy hills and plains were not. Dry, infertile land is used as a metaphor for spiritual alienation from God, while racial Semites are happy in those conditions to the point of actively desertifying the lands they conquer; see the video of Pakis tearing up trees as “against Islam”.
Ancient Greek writers noticed the parallels between Deus and YHWH, the similarity of Mosaic law to ancient Greek law, and Romans the similarity between Jupiter (Jove, pronounced Yo-We) and YHWH, because they were the same god, the supreme God of the ancient steppe, and the Ancient Israelites were very distantly of similar origin. Old Testament law is nearly indistinguishable from the will of GNON
As an admission I may have been a bit insulting but you guys had been blaspheming Christ, the Church and his saints for quite some time without getting any pushback. Christian policy on Pagan gods is that they are all demons in various forms, which is the right way to respond to blasphemy when there are no more cheeks left to turn.
It is I who has been the chief culprit in this. I have a thick skin, and pushback is welcome. I would like to see some new arguments though, rather than the same old claptrap that has been repeated by Missionaries in my neighbourhood for centuries.
1 Corinthians 10:20 leaves you no choice, I know. But it also leaves me no choice. I would like to work out an entente, if possible. Then I offer that entente to missionaries near me, see how they respond.
Your explanation comforts me. I admire the extent of your knowledge, your devotion to the Old Gods, your intellectual fighting spirit and your loyalty to your Salt. I wish we could set up a podcast between you, Aryaman, manasataramgini and @rjrasva
Still, the fact that Lord Krishna Cuckolded the Husbands of the Gopis bothers me. The explanation that he is a God and can do as he pleases does not please me. Now I know that we can always ask an adulterer claiming to follow the example of Lord Krishna to lift a mountain with his little Finger and yet, this bothers me.
There must have been a reason for this story. It must have had a purpose when it was generated. And I don’t think the story was generated to satisfy the lusts of a king who wanted to justify his sleeping with the wives of other less powerful men.
In contrast, Lord Rama’s life was exemplary, even if full of misery. And full of redPill truths on the nature of women. Ram Rajya it is, To Ayodhya we shall go, and from there, to the stars.
Pretty sure that the Krishna story reflected late stage aryan patriarchy breaking down, late stage Aryan family breakdown (hence the war central to the story) and late stage Aryan worship of the old Aryan gods, such as Indra-Zeus-Thor-Jupiter declining and being subverted by foreign Dravidian gods – that Krishna really lived, and though he did not seduce ten thousand milkmaids, seduced alarmingly many of them. And Krishna probably really did drive one of the chariots that an old aryan family used to wipe itself out, and very likely gave his hesitant master the sermon that it was OK for him to kill his brothers and his friends because reality is not real.
There is a lot of rot in Christianity, most of it recent, some of it very ancient, which we will really have to fix. For starters, when it comes to ancient rot, there is a proper role for celibacy and monasticism, but you don’t want celibate priests. You get at best men who do not comprehend women (hence the Christian failure to deal with the Romance movement) and at worst buggers (the Christian bugger infestation goes a mighty long way back). The priesthood should be recruited primarily from married men with stable marriages and well behaved children, as prescribed by Saint Paul.
There is a lot more rot in Hinduism, and it is a lot more ancient. You guys are going to have to fix it.
Yes. Commentaries repeatedly state that Mahabharata is the end of Dharma and beginning of Adharma’s reign, which will wax greatly as time passes. Mahabharata is also partially historical, in that it possibly indicates the final break between the Indo-Iranian branches of Aryans — all subsequent major Hindu Kingdoms were Eastward, and Iran was converted by Zoroaster into literally worshipping demons (Asuras)[1].
That said, someDude’s understanding is correct: anyone aiming to emulate Krishna in His many Divine activities will also have to to demonstrate lifting Mt Govardhana[2] on his little finger. In fact we will make him demonstrate.
PS: Krishna gives off a very strong Dionysian vibe to me. Both are very old gods.
[1] Another ancestral curse for which Iranians are receiving punishment even today, Zoroastrians almost being wiped out.
[2] which is an actual place https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Govardhan_Hill
In an other post I had explained that the family curse of the Kuru/Puru brought about their end.
Bhishma was the rightful heir. Everything went downhill for the Kuru/Puru clan after Bhishma relinquishing the throne and vowing celibacy. Chitrangada lived too short a life. Vichitravirya died childless.
And Dhritarashtra born blind, Pandu suffered a curse and died without progeny (Kunti and Madri invoked a divine Mantra to beget the Pandavas).
To understand the Mahabharata, we need to understand what happened before.
Since abusing Hinduism and Hindu Gods is the fashion of the day, I hardly expect you to understand how deeply it hurts me. But I will post one last comment on this blog to clear your misunderstanding. Since it appears OK to abuse the Hindu gods here, but not blaspheme Jesus Christ, I feel that there is no point in my continuing any discussion on Western dissident blogs any longer.
Firstly, Sri Krishna is a first cousin of the Pandavas and not a South Indian. He is part of the family.
Suones’ comment is right. The Lord’s ways are inscrutable and it is easy to misunderstand and pass judgement on Lord Sri Krishna’s actions during his Avatara, just like Progs do.
Secondly the downfall of the Kuru/Puru clan is not due to Sri Krishna’s machinations or whatever, but because of the folly of Bhisma in voluntarily relinquishing his natural right to the throne and vow of lifelong celibacy in order to allow his father to marry Satyavati.
To understand Mahabharata you need to understand how the Family got the ancestral curse.
Secondly, the real underlying issue is Shantanu’s love for Satyavati, a fisher-chief’s daughter, while having a divine heir to the throne, Bhishma. Shantanu’s prospective father-in-law imposed a condition that Bhishma should not only not be the heir-apparent, but also that in future, no heir of Bhishma should challenge his daughter’s sons for the throne.
This led to Bhisma, the divine and noble heir, taking a vow of celibacy and relinquishing his rightful throne.
The sons of Satyavati, Chitrangada and Vichitravirya, the half-brother of Bhishma led ill fated lives. After Chitrangada’s death, Vichitravirya died childless.
The sons were born of Niyoga. Ambika’s son (Dhritarashtra) and Ambalika’s son (Pandu) were the heirs. However, Dhritarashtra was born bilnd and Pandu was installed on the throne. But Pandu too died early due to a curse, leaving behind the 5 sons, the Pandavas. Dhritarashtra took over as an interim king to await the Pandavas coming of age, however Dhritarashtra’s sons (Duryodhana and the Kauravas) were convinced that they were the proper heirs to the throne.
It was a proper mess for succession, because both the sons of Dhritarashtra as well as Pandu had legal cause for claiming succession.
The entire confusion could have been avoided if Bhishma had not given a foolish vow to Satyavati’s father and performed his Dharmic duty as the heir of the clan. Because Bhishma is of divine birth and the true heir. Shantanu desperately wanted Bhishma to become the next King, but Bhishma considered his father’s happiness more important and gave a needless vow.
>Since abusing Hinduism and Hindu Gods is the fashion of the day, I hardly expect you to understand how deeply it hurts me. But I will post one last comment on this blog to clear your misunderstanding. Since it appears OK to abuse the Hindu gods here, but not blaspheme Jesus Christ, I feel that there is no point in my continuing any discussion on Western dissident blogs any longer.
You’re on a western reaction blog trying to convert people Hinduism. If Hinduism is best for Indians, that’s fine with us. But going into another mans home, insulting his gods, while telling him how much better your gods are is a fowl thing to do. Even with that insult the reaction has been mild attack on your goofy collection of Demons that make up your failed civilization.
I wish you the best and I hope you’ll come around and contribute, but Hinduism is for the Indians and Gnon is for Europeans and lets leave it at that.
Really not trying to “convert†anybody here and I know the futility of such exercises. In not a single post have I asked that the West turn to Hinduism for salvation or whatever.
Brother sounes has asked the West to return to their old Gods or at least an Aryan Patriarchial Christianity free of Semitic influence. That is all.
>Brother sounes has asked the West to return to their old Gods or at least an Aryan Patriarchial Christianity free of Semitic influence. That is all.
Return to something that doesn’t currently exist? You’re sounding more and more like the father of lies. Next it will be is Aryan Paganism is really just Demon Worshiping Hinduism if you think about it the right way.
You’re lumping me with suones. I’ve just paraphrased his views.
>You’re lumping me with suones.
You lumped yourself in with him when you called him Brother. I don’t object to his views, I object to his progressive like dissimulation and generally speaking like a snake. I wouldn’t call a snake my brother.
There’s lots of criticism of Christianity in NRx, but it’s criticism of what Christianity has become, not what it was. Suones attempts to attack what it was in favor of long dead Ayran paganism mixed up with Divdains Demons in a slimly underhanded way is disrespectful.
I wouldn’t go to a Hindu blog and attack Hinduism. It’s your religion and I’m always respectful when I’m in someone else’s home, no matter my personal views on other’s beliefs.
Brother, as in fellow Hindu/old God worshipper, and not as in I agree with everything he writes about.
Suones and I have had disagreements on Hinduism as well on this blog. Though that’s a topic for another day.
>Since it appears OK to abuse the Hindu gods here, but not blaspheme Jesus Christ,
What are you talking about? Suones blasphemes Christ and talks about “semitic demons” all the time. He’s gotten some pushback but when did Jim forbid such talk, censor him, or ban him?
There is the “demon worshipper test,” but that only applies to self-proclaimed “Christians.”
Thicken your skin. If “Semitic demon” is in play for Christianity, then talk of “Dravidian demons” is not beyond the pale. I understand where you’re coming from: Hinduism is under constant attack by the Progressives, and they often wear Christian skinsuits to do it. It’s even true that many authentic but misguided Christians join in. I see why you’re sensitive about this. But understand that the progs similarly use Hindus and Hindu skinsuits to attack Christianity all the time. Despite that, I can see clearly that suones and I and are on the same side.
Yes, we are on the same side.
All of us want to conduct some experiments with electricity and Progs that will give us more of an education on Electricity than Ben Franklin obtained with his kites and metal keys in the Storm.
Possibly the only point in our disagreement with the Cominator.
We really aren’t on the “same” side as the Western dissident right. Our paths are different. They have made it adequately clear that they want nothing to do with “demon worshipping” Hinduism. Call to Aryan ancestry has met with ridicule here. At best, we may be tactical allies when the time is right to overthrow the Progressive demon religion (I think we all agree on that!)
That’s why I think it will be futile to continue any discussion of Hinduism on this blog, however well meaning.
Its hard to seperate Hinduism from the shortcomings of its adherant race…
Indians have some genuinely brilliant men among them but on average they embody the worst qualities of jews (priestliness to a fault, nepotism for their own caste while preaching leftist universalism to others, and unlike jews they tend to be explicitly dishonest whereas jews will stick to the LETTER of their word but will try to Talmudically twist it against you) without their good qualities… jews can cooperate with those outside their caste and do it well if in their interest to do so, jewish outgroup generosity can be genuine or at least genuinely pursued to build social capital. Indians just cannot help but immediately trying to screw anyone outside their caste the minute their back is turned. High caste indians have the holiness spiraling and tribal nature of jews with the outright criminal (in a white collar way) nature of gypsies.
The hindu trinity and mediative tradition are pretty positive but the lesser cults are full of demonic influences and yes ill say anything Kali related is demon worship.
Castrate the Christian. Jesus forbids euthanasia, Odin allows euthanasia.
Similar things were being said about the Chinese until the 1980s. That they can’t cooperate, that they are irredeemably backward, that they will screw you over first chance they get, that they can copy but not create etc etc. Your comment is a reflection of the current situation of the Hindus. I wouldn’t give it too much stock, though there is some truth to what you say.
The travelogues of travellers to India such as Domingo Paes and Megasthenes do not bear out your thesis. Still, point taken. If Hindus are to be respected, they will have to get their shit together, old travelogues notwithstanding.
Sorry, my last comment was meant for the Cominator
I would have never said the Chinese can’t cooperate.
Chinese untrustworthiness is more like actual jews than gypsies as well.
@Cominator
You might not have said so.
Yet, my Dad remembers similar arguments about the Chinese (as about Indians today) being made from the west until the 1980s or so. It was said that their lack of ability to cooperate is what causes them to go through mass bloodletting once every century or so.
Now that they are an actual challenge to the west, those arguments have disappeared. At the moment, it is they cannot create. That they can only copy.
When things change, it is almost like people can’t even remember the old arguments.
Let’s see what happens. I myself remain pessimistic. I merely Hope. Now hope is no strategy, but lets see how it goes.
All Aryan religions got infested by demons. All successful Aryan religions purge the demon worship and adopt monotheism, or at the very least assert the supreme God as having absolute precedence over the lesser spirits, and keep their worshippers very far away from power. The Aryans were really cool. They were not perfect and ideal, and the name is not a byword for Truth and Good.
Your mythos and worldview is one of pure decline from the ancient age, symbolized as a very large wheel that will eventually turn back around, but I believe we outdid the Aryan ancestors. We Europeans see the wheel as much shorter and history turning in cycles much quicker.
Chinese really do have a much harder time forming a synthetic tribe than Whites. They do not have self-sacrificing religion, which means each individual must be paid or tricked into thinking he is paid. But in war, and to a lesser extent in peace, individuals must do jobs that cannot be paid for individually.
China is trying to address this problem with technical means, but it is a real, persistent, and difficult problem.
@Oog en Hand
Whatever happened with “hell is eternal?” Did you forget that it includes unrepentant apostates?
Imagine going to hell because you want to kill crippled people…
@Aidan, You say
I believe we outdid the Aryan ancestors
This is the spirit I want modern Hindus to adopt. To outdo their ancestors of millennia ago. Ancestor worship connects to your past like nothing else, but what a tragedy if it means you are stuck in the past.
A Great and illustrious Father’s joy knows no bounds if Son surpasses him. So shall our illustrious ancestors be proud if we surpass them.
Some where, sometime, it all went wrong and the Hindus succumbed to navel gazing and for all practical purposes are still stuck there.
There has been a quite substantial discussion of the virtue of the conquering aryan culture and its subsequent decline once sedentary and urbanized, and how the old testament, the jews instruction manual in how to survive the bronze age collapse, contained much material that would have been direly needed in greece and rome and the rest of pagan europe. I have not read the entire comment section lately, but if our aryan ancestry has been met with ridicule, that is very off beat for this blog.
The proof is in the pudding, india has suffered massive demonic infestation for millennia, christendom only for centuries.
The old testament was written by plains-dwelling mercenaries who were not native to the levant. Christianity was an outgrowth of this, and substantially characterized in it’s praxis by the Ionians and Latins, and later the Teutons. Contemporary judaism was a post-classical invention by a post-classical people, who have a coincidental relationship with the former.
It wouldn’t be too hard to rhetorically spin that as the former being in fact even trver cvlt to the ur-father in many ways than other paganisms further afield.
Ironically, you could say that it is Islam that in fact is the only genuinely semitic religion out there right now.
You shouldn’t leave in a huff. As others have mentioned, Suones cheerfully calls Yahweh a Demon and mocks Jesus as an incel. So much so that i had to ask Suones to stop, advice which he cheerfully proceeded to ignore. Yet, Jim has never shut him down. What does it tell you about the personal qualities of Jim? . So your charge is not right.
Look we are trying to learn from people here. This insular attitude is not helpful to us. We have to go out and explore what is out there. We can’t isolate ourselves like we did in the past. Lets stay exposed to what the finest political minds of the west are thinking. And there is no finer political.mind out west than Jim. He worked with Satoshi, imagine!
We must really think about whether what Lord Krishna did with the Gopis actually weakens patriarchy. Maybe come up with an alternate interpretation of the event and declare the popular interpretation as heresy? Our faith does not have a written scripture for a reason. So we can adapt to the circumstances. So we can evolve. Lets use that advantage to evolve.
We have to think very deeply about the effects our legends have on our mind, as individuals as well as a group. Does someone who believe in our legends, live our ancient stories become a personal of the highest calibre? If so, why is it not reflecting in our society? What went wrong? If not, what’s wrong with our interpretations of these myths.
I remembered that Jim had banned blasphemy of Christ on this blog. He has offered a clarification that it applies to those who claim to be Christian and more Christian than thou.
Still personally I have refrained from attacking Christianity or Jesus Christ because such endeavours are profitless and of no intellectual use.
I never saw an example of that. Can you show me an example? Did he censor anyone on-christian who attacked Christianity? The only people he was censoring was those that were pretending to be Christian trying to out holy real Christians. He is censoring Heretics and the Holier than Thou types.
And that censoring is what adds comic relief in a blog that discusses deadly serious topics. If not for the humour involved in censoring those fellows, this Blog would lose some of it’s pizzazz. Come on, even you have to admit that some of the censoring is hilarious. We Hindus could use some of that.
Before Suones there used to be Peppermint who used to relentlessly attack Xtianity calling it Cuckstainity and I daresay Jim even had affection for him.
The greatest, persistent, articulate, intelligent attacker of Christianity on this blog, Suones. Has even one word from him being Censored?
Our real enemies are our own Progs, our own Molochites, not the missionaries, not the Baphometans. There are some experiments with electricity I’d like to conduct with Hindu Progs as subjects. Experiments that would give them (and us) more of an education in Electricity than Ben Franklin got with his experiments with kites and metal keys in a storm.
Come Friend! You are being unfair.
Ain’t folks with critique of christianity that get censored; subversives who are pretending to be adherents of a more regenerative religion, for the purpose of degenerating that religion, are what get censored. Chrisitianity in the west certainly has that problem. I dare say Hindoos have to deal with it as well.
For instance, my good friend Suones_FGC would come in all piss and vinegar over some part of christianity (or some part perceived as christian) he found objectionable; our wise and learned colleagues would call him a faget – i mean produce exegesis from their own more informed perspectives of christianity, and he would walk it around to a more nuanced position.
Similarly, and in like kind, Jim and some others would drop some good piss and vinegar of their over some part of hinduism (or some part perceived as hindu) they found objectionable; which hopefully would provoke some more rounds of faget calling – and perhaps some learned exegesis – and thus come round to a more nuanced stance vis-a-vis that matter in turn. Savvy?
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Another problem with Indian religions is Jainism.
Now, Jainism is the most pozzed religion ever to exist. It condemns all violence (except against self) down to the violence against the earth involved in plowing a field (in practice that tended to play out similarly to the hypocrisy of modern environmentalists, i.e., the Jain merchant or priest gets to be holier than the farmer whose grain he trades or eats). According to Jainism the most moral thing to do is to starve oneself to death.
Now the other Indian religions had to compete with Jainism in holiness and so had to pozz themselves rather badly, though not as badly as Jainism.
Pozz is only holiness for an adherent of prgressivism. Although any religion is in danger of holiness spiraling, the steps are different for different religions.
For example, a muslim trying to outholy his peers won’t succeed with gay rights, but he might with “death to all infidels”.
I, Viceroy of India, Representative of Lord Rama, Eternal Emperor of, in the name of Lord Rama and in accordance to His divine hill hereby declare
1. All pacifists to register themselves as pacifists at the nearest police station. Failure to do so will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the Law.
2. Pacifists barred from holding any public office.
3. Law enforcement is hereby instructed NOT to prosecute any cases of violence against known pacifists across the realm.
4. Any violent action by pacifists in self defense or otherwise will be prosecuted to double the fullest extent of the law
QED! Problem of pacifism solved.
You haven’t taken the affirmation yet. Kindly copy and paste the following into a comment:
Jai Shree Ram!
I believe Sri Ramchandra is the Lord and Eternal Emperor of all India, who is at once an immortal avatar of Sri Vishnu as well as a mortal who was born in Ayodhya that lies on the bank of the Saryu river, and died by immersing himself into the same river; who united the country from the Himalayas in the North, to Lanka in the South, and whose sons and descendants conquered lands to the West including the entire Karakoram Range, the Khyber and the Bolan passes (Hindu-Kush mountains are named after his son Sri Kush) and East (there is New Ayodhya in Thailand). I believe that Sri Ramchandra is the model of all just Kings, and Ram Rajya is the epitome of a just rule. I believe that his loyal servant Sri Hanuman, the immortal Monkey God, is the friend and guide of anyone who prays to Sri Ram, and the implacable enemy of those that would harm him
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1. The word King to Emperor.
2. Mention of the Karakoram Range along with the Khyber and the Bolan passes, all of Gandhara basically
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Imperator is a junior title to Rex. Roman Republican politics was allergic to Monarchy, being degenerated, and this tradition was carried through the Augustan reforms. Hesitant to proclaim himself Caesar Augustus Rex, Octavian declared himself Imperator instead. This degeneracy continued through to Russia and Germany, where Kings called themselves “Tsar” or “Kaiser.” The correct English term for a sovereign monarch is King.
There is no English term for “Samrat,” because there was no German or English Kingdom large enough to support multiple Kings, and by the time the Roman “Imperium” (currently understood as a geographically dispersed multi-national political entity) came into being, the title was solidified as “Imperator,” later Frenchified as Emperor. Using “Chakravarti Samrat” as Sri Ram’s regnal title would be correct, but perplexing to an English speaker.
Similarly for the West, I avoid giving specific place names, but Hindustan does not end at Gandhara[1][2].
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapisi
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mes_Aynak [3]
[3] Baphomet is eager to Year Zero this site quickly, and Chinese are helping. Too bad Hindustan is led by cucks.
Most importantly, you just attempted a superior holiness move. See? Holiness spiralling is so easy even you (yes, you) can do it! XD
Suones, you misunderstand the title “Kaiser”.
“Kaiser” is a title above king. Germany used to have one Kaiser but several kings at the same time.
From your perspective you may argue that Germany was too small to have several kings, but that has no historical basis. Various German tribes or states had their own kings and were (in same matters in theory) subject to the Kaiser.
The term “imperium” goes back (at least) to the Roman republic and simply meant supreme military command. Whever Rome was at war, one of the various people qualified (consul and praetor) was given “imperium”.
Kaiser (and Tsar) are simply localised versions of “Caesar” (much as the Hindustani “Kaisar”), which is only a regnal title by reason of monarchs looking for glory reflected off Caesar Augustus.
Caesar Augustus did not proclaim himself Rex because he believed degenerate Roman Republican society would not accept a Rex, so he promoted the (temporary) military title “Imperator” into a permanent regnal title, which soon became hereditary. “Imperator” is junior to Rex maximus. There could be several acclaimed Imperators (basically Generals) but only one holder of the Imperium, Rex Himself. A similar conundrum is faced by any post-Roman ruler, and they invent newer and newer terms to avoid being called “King.” Once “Kaiser” had been similarly stigmatised as “King,” Hitler invented “Fuhrer” for the same.
As for Anglos/Germanics not having “Empire sized” Kingdoms, that was referring to pre-Roman era (where the term “King” originates). The first major European political Empire was the Greek one, but that was more a loose confederation than a single polity. The centralised political structure was only seen post-Republic, at which time the terms “Imperator”/Emperor and “Caesar” had become the official terms for the leader of a multi-national polity. It has been retrospectively applied to other monarchs as well.
Jim, another explanation from my Mother is that at the time of the RasaLila which was the dance with all the milkmaids, Lord Krishna had not even hit puberty.
Things are different when you grow up in a college town detached from everywhere else. Individuals in this circumstance have rights too. And I am absolutely not lying when I say that corporate elites are all pozzed (at best), and are in fact the source of the poz even if one could temporarily purge them. Normal people with families do not go through the sadistic hours and travel requirements of global business competitiveness.
And small businesses that communicate economic information to prospective future employees didn’t exist when and where I came from. It was all academic, corporate, and government. I suppose the real estate people were the majority of “private economy” and what they were doing was wrong, bidding up housing costs and hurting affordable family formation.
I would salt the earth and start over if I had a time machine and a few legions of angels on my side. I don’t.
It is absolutely obvious that obvious that college, among them your college town, is the source of the poz. When we raze the college to the ground, redevelop the college into housing, offices, factories, and supermarkets, then corporate elites will cease to be pozzed and your college town will be able to give the kids productive jobs, and more importantly, obedient wives.
We don’t care about power struggles within the high priesthood of academia. Republicans don’t care either. There is no reason why we, or they should care.
The state religion has an excessively swollen priesthood, every internal conflict is over plumb jobs, and tends to be resolved by such jobs being multiplied, resulting in ever greater priestly intrusion on the few remaining non priestly groups and organizations.
I care about the middle class, not plum jobs for elites! Reasonably intelligent and diligent people with proven merit deserve higher status than dirtbags who see nothing but free daycare in the schools! They should ultimately be the ones to reproduce more!
Every other single issue fails to matter as much as school reform. Nothing else works when schools become underclass spawning pools because idiocracy. They absolutely have to create some positive utility as meritocracy sorting mechanisms or else their dysgenic effect will like a cancer consistently grow until it extinguishes the civilization! This is as obvious as saying that businesses that do not turn a profit will eventually become bankrupt. It’s self evident.
The lack of respect for children has resulted in the return of eunuchs and infanticide. Nothing else matters compared to this.
You hate the actual middle class.
What you want is that academic accreditation as middle class should work as advertised.
It never did, and is now rapidly working worse and worse.
The claim to be able to accredit your children into middle class was always an arrogant intrusion of the priesthood into lay society, a claim made in order to provide jobs for the priesthood.
We don’t want them reformed we want them destroyed.
Hear, hear! Cominator for secretary of education!
“Meritocracy” means rule by those who define merit. Those who define merit, he who makes the test, gets to fill high-status positions with the type of man he wants, men who believe what he wants them to believe. You are advocating for rule by a mandarin caste of priests. We find this repugnant.
We are not attacking your argument, we are attacking your premises. You say school has to create positive utility, we say school should basically not exist in the first place. You argue from the assumption that school performs the necessary function of sorting out the capable from the incapable, we say that scholars cannot train people to be anything but scholars.
You do not “prove merit” by getting a pat on the head from a teacher. You prove your merit to GNON by doing real deeds in the real world. Engineering school does not teach people to be engineers. It teaches knowledge about engineering. People learn to be engineers by practicing it themselves, or doing it under the supervision of a master engineer.
When Jim censors you for being unresponsive, it is because you are ignoring our arguments against your assumptions. Tell us about how school can, does, or did produce capable and competent men. Give us examples of how the men who did well in school really are the highest quality men that society can produce. Or tell us why a school sorting for merit is better than the trial-by-fire of actually proving your merit in real life.
China had rule by mandarins for at least 1000+ years. What’s so bad about it?
From the Late Song Dynasty until Deng, China had a dark age where they lost knowledge and technology.
They are doing OK now, and they did OK under the Song, but they were not doing OK from the fall of the Northern Song to the rise of Deng.
If you want a white wife, you can convert to Islam and raid Christian villages. Christians do not know Arabic. You can also convert to Asatru and raid Christian villages. Christians do not know Old Norse. According to jim, Islam is red-pilled about women, Asatru blue-pilled about women.
Does Asatru actually exist? Unlike Rodnovery where the primary sources are all in Russian, Asatru primary sources are surprisingly in English(!?) Are there actual Danes/Norwegians/Swedes doing this stuff and raiding Christian villages? Or is it just one more tentacle of Moloch in his struggle against YHWH?
Islam is a real religion where raiding Christian villages is a very real thing (in some parts of the world). Where is Asatru being followed?
>Or is it just one more tentacle of Moloch in his struggle against YHWH?
It’s this. We talk about how Leftism wears the skins of its defeated enemies. With Asatru, it’s gone a step further and managed to don the skin of one of Christianity’s old defeated enemies.
Defeated? We are back!! Christianity forbids euthanasia!
Crippled Person: *exists
Asatru Worshiper: Finally, a worthy opponent! Our battle will be legendary!
Thomas Smith was a martyr and more courageous than the Army of Poz taken together.
If you want a white wife you need to convert to Christianity and raid college towns. Get some real, masculinity in the church militant, and quit pussy footing around with demons. It does not matter if your woman can read the holy texts, because if she is arguing theology with you then you just need to fill her head with something else. Pauline/Jimian Christianity is red-pilled on women.
“There is a great deal that is very wrong with Mohammedanism. But there are only two live faiths in power Progressivism and Islam.”
Would love some clarity on this. Firstly, it seems glaringly obvious which of these two accords more with Reaction, considering Progressivism is literally the inverse of everything we reactionaries consider true.
But it is not so obvious to me what is ‘very wrong’ with Mohammedanism. It seems to have the essential ingredients you propose are necessary for a successful society, especially on the women question – which you consider primary.
Is it the conflict with capitalism and science? The IQ question? The alien culture/tradition?
Mohammedanism can do capitalism, though they tend to holiness spiral on usury in ways that traditional Christianity was sensible and economically efficient about.
Can’t do science. Can implement other people’s technology following a cookbook, but cannot apply theory to physical things to create technology. This an actual spiritual disability – atheist people of Mohammedan background, like atheist people of Jewish background, are more capabl of science and technology.
When they conquered India, Damascus steel was no more except as heirlooms of the conquerors, and if they conquer us, we will not become an interplanetary civilization.
Also they will erase our history and ancient culture just as thoroughly as the progressives are doing.
What history and ancient culture?
Haha!
Humor, Suones style.
Look! No censorship
You’re typing on it’s fruits.
>Can’t do science.
Islam used to be able to do science (well, it was mostly Persians with Arabic names, but still.)
Then people hostile to science ended up in charge, and it stopped being able to do science.
The West used to be able to do science too, and then people hostile to science (women) ended up in charge, and it stopped being able to do science.
It’s not at all clear at the moment whether western capability for doing science would be decreased under a hypothetical Islamic rule.
Pretty much all Persians, and it is not a coincidence that Persia adopted a heavily modified version of Islam, which put them into a state of near-constant war against other Muslims. The Abbasid Caliphate was really a conquest by the nobility of Sassanid Persia of most of the Byzantine Empire, with Arab figureheads. Islam, as warrior religion, breathes quite a bit of life into stagnant civilizations, but once war stalls out, it is not very good at peace. Christianity was much better at going from “Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war”, to making peace.
Being raised and live in muslim community (indonesia) I don’t see any significant issue with islam on day-to-day basis.
The daily prayer and dietary restriction is a chore, but people in OT also followed the same. So I don’t see the issue here.
But my community had 1 factor that whites in the west don’t have that is “Strong native identity”. So instead of going full middle east, my community are mostly moderate “we are muslim but but not really”. Strong family and community structure are common, and lots of industrialist born from moderate muslim family, exactly stuffs that you reactionists like to dream about.
Fast forward 2021, lots of people lost their native identity, lots of people went middle east and do exactly what Jim describe below.
I warn you that the west will not survive being muslim, muslims won’t be satisfied until every son is named Ahmed, eating mutton, speaking arabic, dress like arab, and almost literally sucking arab’s dick (I know a brothel exclusive for arabs here).
I realised as much when I saw that you named your submarine “Chakra” and “Nanggala.” Hindustan lives in the hearts of men even as they pretend to pray to Baphomet.
This just proves we are weak. That Hinduism is loved but not respected.
The reverse would have been better.
For what use is the love of subjugated men?
So supposedly a heat wave in Canada is breaking all kinds of record. Thoughts?
There is always a heat wave somewhere that is breaking all kinds of records.
There always going to be record breaking weather events, but if we look at statistics for the world as a whole it is clear that weather has become markedly more benign over the past two centuries, and is continuing to become more benign.
The level of mass death in unusual weather events has been declining steadily relative to other disasters.
Climate is just long term weather. There are cold days and warm days, cold years and warm years, cold decades and warm decades, cold centuries and warm centuries, cold millenia and warm millenia.
Climate was mighty severe over most of the past hundred thousand years. The last eight or ten thousand years has been a gigantic and radical improvement. These nice periods generally last ten thousand years or so, and the current nice period shows no signs of ending.
We are in a period of atypically and unusually benevolent climate/weather.
When Canada has a record breaking cold snap, then we should get worried.
Normal weather over the last few millions of years has been mile deep glaciers over what is now New York, deserts of unthinkable aridness over most of the the world that is not covered by ice, and dust storms that grind down mountains. And such normal weather is everywhere cold, except in the interior of the vast deserts, where it got very hot by day, and very cold by night.
The brief periods of unusually pleasant and benign climate/weather are associated with warmth in the temperate zones, which during normal weather/climate are generally glacier covered, except where they are deserts.
I think the reason I am so alert to this news is that I feel like summers in Europe have gotten slightly warmer. It’s difficult because purely intuition and no doubt the media narrative makes us hypersensitive to this kind of thing, but I feel like we have slightly more heat waves than when I was young.
Now probably you are correct — the hypothesis that non-anthropogenic climate change is the main driver makes more sense than the hypothesis that anthropogenic climate change is the driver, especially considering that still no-body ever fucking knows that the relationship between CO2 and temperature is logarithmic.
But it is a hard sell. When you see there are more heat waves than there used to be, you look for explanations, and the explanation that industrial age particles cause such a thing is a much more tangible explanation than ‘the weather just changes by itself, even though we barely know how and why.’
I am monitoring the statistics, which is difficult because they are clouded by obfuscation and lies. Summers in Europe have gotten slightly warmer. They have been getting warmer since about 1800, and the oceans have been rising since about then.
This trend started long before we were emitting substantial amounts of CO2, and does not seem to have accelerated much if at all.
The ancient historical record is that warmer climates are associated with benign and less extreme weather, and colder weather associated with very nasty weather and major depopulation events.
Did industrialization end the recent ice age? Did industrialization drown Dogger bank?
The weather does change by itself, even though we barely know how and why.
The climate is changing. It always has changed, it always will change. Today’s climate change needs to be placed in the context of last thousand years of climate change, which needs to be placed in the context of the last ten thousand years of climate change, which needs to be placed in the context of the last hundred thousand years of climate change, which needs … We see variation on all timescales. And most of that variation is, by modern standards, cold and nasty.
It also needs to be placed in the context that historically, warm periods have been fairly nice, and cold periods extraordinarily nasty.
Here’s a good sign: Science magazine just ran a cover story titled “Fallback Strategies: Planning for climate-induced relocation”. Meaning that, although the scientific community is still 100% convinced that climate change is man-made, they acknowledge that all we can do about it is get people out of harm’s way.
Will Micronesia disappear under the sea some day? Of course it will; it’s made of limestone, and that limestone didn’t grow in air. The fact that these coral atolls rise a uniform six feet above present sea level suggests that some mechanism prevents the oceans from rising much higher than that.
From this chart, it looks like that six-foot rise will happen very slowly, over thousands of years, assuming it’s not interrupted by another ice age:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Post-Glacial_Sea_Level.png
But we have no idea what causes this trend, and people want answers.
Which, upon reflection, we are not mandated to give. What we know we know, and what we don’t yet know, we don’t.
It’s funny how it’s kind of a repeat of the thing progs ridicule ancient religions for: ‘rain falls because the Gods will it’ has become ‘climate changes because mother earth punishes us.’
Progs do not ridicule ancient religions because of their activities. The target is ridicule of ancient religions so that dimwits can be turned towards Adharma. Fortunately, a coin which can be tossed once can be tossed again. Once we have a sane State Religion “the People” will believe in it with the same fervour and mock the Prog past without realising that anything has changed.
Chaos theory, answers are impossible.
At least until you have a massive interstellar scale civilization and can take a whole bunch of planets VERY similar to earth and modify one variable and see what happens.
Alf! You are giving way too much credit to ‘People”. The most common thing about the “people” is their extraordinary lack of curiosity about everything apart from how to gain a little bit more of status or in some cases, how to preserve it.
The only question to which people want answers is, “How do I increase my status”
It’s high status to want answers to what causes the trend and that’s why they want it. With Jim (or Com) in Charge, they will want answers to “What is the optimum height from which the helicopter must drop Progs into the sea”
You should know this better than anyone else!
I have my quibbles with the overextension of Machiavellian status theory. Suffice to say, whatever the reason, people are curious about changes in climate, and I do not feel bad about the fact that it has taken me time to formulate a sufficient answer.
What is your better idea in opposition to Machiavellian status theory?
I have my theory that a lot of urban men simp in the woke cult in the (vain) hope of getting a crumb of coochie which is slightly different but related to status theory… and that urban areas (at least among men) would be a bit better if openly legal prostitution were available (this is for the US).
BAP and his buddy do seem to think that a lot of beta males rather simp than admit to themselves that they are paying for anything (at least in America) I absolutely cannot understand this at all because all but the general butt nakeds end up paying something in some way but they may well be right.
Well obviously the drive for status, whether money or coochie or power, is an excellent explanation for a great deal of human behavior. I just don’t find it explains all behavior. Jesus’ story for instance does not make a lot of sense from that perspective.
The living god was not driven primarily by normal human desires, neither was the non demonic prophet of buddhism Siddhartha (even if you consider buddhism a false religion and ergo evil the moral philosophy is extremely similar to Christianity and the social tech is good, ergo not demon worship).
Normal humans cannot be described in terms of extreme outliers.
It’s not just Jesus, it’s what we made of his story. If all normal humans were purely Machiavellian, his story would not resonate – ‘Jesus died for us? Winners don’t die.’ It inverts Machiavellian expectations, and somehow that is also very powerful.
He died beat up the forces of hell then rose and ascended to godhood…
How did he lose…
Yet for some strange reason he was always portrayed as suffering on a cross, never as the God Emperor doomslayer.
The way the evil homosexual cult the catholic church portrays him is not relevant to how i see the story…
Many ancient religions have stories of a hero or lesser god who voluntarily descends to (in fact not to sound like a simp but in the oldest known religion it was a woman, ishtar) hell and overcomes the demonic forces there in order to redeem if not a mass of souls at least one soul… the figures who did this were never considered cowards.
So no the story of Christ is not properly viewed as that as a jew nerd who got cast out because he couldn’t fit in with his fellow jew nerds, and then he was crucified by the chad romans… that is the progressive and cuckstian view of jesus.
What you mean all the crucifixes from all the churches and painters over the past millenia are evil and homosexual?
Anyway believe what you will. To me it seems obvious that the core of Jesus story is what we most clearly associate as the symbol of Christianity – the cross. And of course he came back, of course he is in many ways an eternal winner. But the crux (heh) of the story, to me, seems to be that he died for our sins, not that he gave his haters the middle finger three days later.
If he did not rise from hell three days later to give the forces of hell the eternal finger he would have died for nothing…
The crucifixion is not the most sacred event in christianity, the ascension is.
Food for thought I suppose.
>Yet for some strange reason he was always portrayed as suffering on a cross, never as the God Emperor doomslayer.
Effete modernes are pathologically fixated on morbidity. There is nothing in their minds for thoughts of greatness, grandiosity, achievement, or anything at all beyond ‘normal’ (if even that). Whereas, they dwell persistently on injuriousness, dysfunctioanlity, or ‘fall-shortedness’ in general, which at the limit becomes the only lens through which they engage with Being at all; a matter (a being) has Matter only to the extent to which it is more morbid (and thus deserving of pallitation) than other matters, and nil else matters.
Regarding the crucifixion, Christ’s human nature underwent death but the second person of the Godhead did not. After descending into hell in the harrowing of Hades, Christ’s human nature was resurrected and after ascending into the heavens is seated at the right hand of the father. This is a prefiguration of the second coming, when all men will be resurrected and made immortal.
When Orthodox Christians make the cross they put their thumb, index and middle fingers together signifying the trinity, and their ring finger and pinky together signifying the two natures of Christ.
Most of the first millennium debates on Christology stemmed from confusion and heresy regarding this position.
Confusion is understandable, and attempting to explain dangerous.
@The Cominator
Sorry, can’t have it both ways. 1 Corinthians 10:20.
Perhaps I am explaining it wrong. I see Cominator’s point. It’s not that the crucifixion is the core of the story, it’s that it’s an important part. On which effete moderns are perhaps pathologically fixed, but which has always been important nonetheless –
la pieta, a mourning mary holds her son.
the last supper, Jesus is sad about what he knows will come.
And of course, the many old depictions of Jesus on the cross, here by Rembrandt, whom in my opinion paints annoyingly dark but whatcha gonna do.
My only point is that the stories of Mohammed the conqueror, or Zeus the lightning flinging God, or even the depictions of Buddha I once saw in a Buddhist temple as a dragon-defeating flying demi-God, make perfect sense from a ‘might makes right’ perspective. And yes, Jesus is mighty mighty, but that is not the whole width of his story.
“X slaying the Dragon” is a common motif with a perplexing history[1]. For a Western version see St George slaying the Dragon.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vritra, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verethragna
Buddhism at least as practiced according to the precepts of the Buddha himself would not be a pagan religion, some sects definitely do sacrifice to statues of Buddha sure but this was not Buddha’s intent.
So once again Buddhism can be considered from a Christian perspective a false religion but its not by its fruits or its precepts any kind of demon worship.
The Cross was not a defeat. But a Triumph. The Demonic Powers didn’t realize they have blundered by killing Jesus Christ.
Colossians 2:8-15
“8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ.
9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form.
10And you have been made complete in Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.
11In Him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of your sinful nature, with the circumcision performed by Christ and not by human hands.
12And having been buried with Him in baptism, you were raised with Him through your faith in the power of God, who raised Him from the dead.
13When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our trespasses,
14having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross!
15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.”
1 Corinthians 2:6-8
“6Among the mature, however, we speak a message of wisdom—but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
7No, we speak of the mysterious and hidden wisdom of God, which He destined for our glory before time began.
8None of the rulers of this age understood it. For if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. ”
Romans 6:1-11:
“1What then shall we say? Shall we continue in sin so that grace may increase?
2Certainly not! How can we who died to sin live in it any longer?
3Or aren’t you aware that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
4We were therefore buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may walk in newness of life.
5For if we have been united with Him like this in His death, we will certainly also be united with Him in His resurrection.
6We know that our old self was crucified with Him so that the body of sin might be rendered powerless, that we should no longer be slaves to sin.
7For anyone who has died has been freed from sin.
8Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with Him.
9For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, He cannot die again; death no longer has dominion over Him.
10The death He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life He lives, He lives to God. 1
1So you too must count yourselves dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.”
By the Cross the believers all die. Our own corruption is nailed to the cross. As is the old corrupt Cosmos.
In the resurrection is renewal and regeneration. So is the Cosmos ultimately to be made New and Perfect.
The summers do feel warmer here in the US than 10-15 years ago, but then again I’m much heavier and have more muscle mass than when I was a kid, so of course they do. We are also coming out of a mini ice age, probably coming back towards the medieval warm period. Easiest argument against the AGP hysterics is that all of their predictions are massively wrong. If predictions consistently wrong, their science is wrong. I remember watching Al Gores movie, and it predicted that where I now live would be underwater three years ago, but I do not need a gondola to get to the store. The nearby water is not even any higher.
AGW is marxism masquerading as science. Nothing more, nothing less.
Ants change the dirt, squirrels change the trees, and humans change the atmosphere. This is perfectly natural but hard to quantify. I think the Marxists use perfectly natural things, twist them into ideological golems, and manipulate minds. The climate continues its cycles, humans have some effect on that, and populations either adapt or disappear. In this space I am comfortable stating that the climate is changing and humans will have to adapt, but IRL I state pretty much exactly what you said.
If you’re asking about global warming, no, it’s still not happening.
What I find interesting though is how little global warming propaganda there is today. A few years ago such a heat wave would have been all over the media, for months.
It is all over the media, at least round these parts.
Meant to italize the ‘it’ part only.
*the ‘is’ part.
Life’s been tough since I’ve lost my admin status and can no longer edit posts.
Due to an accident during admin, you got deleted. I did not realize that you were using your admin status.
Restoring you, but to restore your password would be extra work. See if your password recovery works. If it does not, I will dig through backups and see if I can restore your password.
Looks like my site cannot send you a password reset link – I may have to dig through old backups.
I was quite happily and selfishly using it to edit my posts.
Password recovery doesn’t work. I would not at all mind being restored, but no problem whatsoever if too much trouble.
I restored your original password, but I have yet to fix “Error: the email could not be sent”
Which is a problem because of the convoluted anti spam protections require convoluted workarounds to get sendmail working
awesome thanks.
Yes, it’s annoying how a hot summer is used to declare that the planet will burn to a crisp any minute now if we don’t approve windmill subsidies and ban all gas cars, yet the fact that winter came a month early and lasted so long Texas froze over is proof of nothing. In fact I think they claimed that the cold snap was the result of ‘cold air from the melting arctic coming south’ which is monumentally preposterous.
Media gonna media, what are you gonna do.
Central Canada and New York have been getting colder and more consistently cold in winter, the Canadian government is moving grows zones up while the real growzones are going down causing crop loss. NY is improving dramatically with these long freezes keeping the ground from turning to muck. Species diversity has also exploded for some reason. I don’t think anyone has any good idea of what is happening or why.
Species diversity is exploding because of reforestation. A lot of land in the Northeast is not being used for agriculture anymore (in the 1800s, there were hardly any woods in the northeast, old-growth forest is very rare), a lot of people moved to the cities and suburbs, so the woods are growing back. Forest takes a while to reach maturity, and animals take a while to migrate from wilder areas to newly wild areas, so this is mostly a delayed effect from things that happened decades ago. We have coyote-wolf hybrids in the northeast now, because wolves were reintroduced to the West back in the 80s, and started banging coyotes, and the new hybrid is hardy enough to survive up north. I’m personally quite happy about it, because I like hearing them yowl in the distance when I go camping. Makes it feel more wild.
I am looking forward to when the coywolves start walking deer back to appropriate population. The laws here protecting them mean they eat fucking everything. And it’s a felony to hunt them effectively.
Might take a while. Wolves are chase predators, who do not do so well in young forest that has a lot of undergrowth. Coywolves probably won’t start culling deer until the trees get big enough to kill the undergrowth with shade. Maybe they will learn to be ambush predators, but that will take time too. Deer are massively annoying and it’s a shame we can’t shoot enough of them in the waiting time before nature corrects itself.
Wolves are not chase predators only, they are flexible. They are decent ambush predators everywhere cervids are in north America. But prey adapt by avoiding woodlands and edges where they are vulnerable within a year or two. Whether they will force deer out of towns I don’t know, but they will severely reduce the population in general which will be good. Already mountain lions are helping but only in the mountains not where I live. And hippie boomers banned bows in residential areas so no legal way of taking them. Have to kill them without them running off which is doable but inconvenient without a shotgun. We could solve it with hunting but that’s evil so God forbid we trim deer down to size and sell them at the restaurant.
If your county has banned hunting, you’re in the wrong county.
Northeast was historically wolf territory, there were no coyotes there. Coyotes only made it up because wolves were extirpated. They made it to NY around the 70’s
Is that not because you’re already below sea level? They try to make a big deal in Canada but the prospect of warmer weather doesn’t seem very threatening to most.
The covid priesthood have, for the time being, have out-holied the climate priesthood.
My impression too. The climate priesthood tried to stay relevant by claiming that climate change causes covid but nobody paid them any attention; the media set their narrative in advance and don’t bother updating it based on trifles such as real world events; and team communism seems to have decided that covid is a more promising vehicle for advancing their agenda than climate change.
I heard the way temperature was measured has now been standardized on a federal level, in the US. Air temperature that was measured under shade on top of a grassy field is now required to be measured under shade on top of gravel. So, of course the temperature will be higher this year. It’s no hotter this year than last summer, but the temperature is 5F hotter, breaking records.
Time to address ADharma:
ਤਾਂ ਸੀਸ ਕੇਸ ਰਖ ਸਿਪਾਹੀ ਕਰਨੇ । ਕਟਿ ਸ਼ਾਸ਼ਤà©à¨° ਬੰਧਵਾਇ ਸਿੰਘ ਨਾਮ ਧਰਨੇ ।
[And the Guru remarked], Adorning [unshorn] hair on your head, you shall be warriors, fastening weapons to your waist, and adopting Singh [Tiger] in your name.
ਮਾਤਾ ਕਾਲੀ ਦਾ ਬਾਣਾ ਨੀਲਾ ਪਹਿਰਾਵਣਾ ।
[You shall] wear the blue dress of Mata Kali [The Dark Goddess]
ਕਰਨਾ ਜà©à¨§ ਨਾਲਿ ਤà©à¨°à¨•à¨¾à¨‚ ਦੇ ਮਾਰਿ ਹਟਾਵਣਾ ।293।
Conducting war with the Turks you will kill and stop [their tyranny].
Singhs gain the name from the Vahaan or Vehicle of Mata, Goddess of War
Chandi & the Dark Blue Dress from her fearsome form Kali
Sri Krishna Ji’s Gopis are those who could not visit him as Sri Ram
Kali Yuga is the easiest to attain salvation: https://www.sikhnet.com/news/kaliyug-meets-guru-nanak-dev-ji
Post on Sikh text from 1700s AD on Hindus & Ahimsa, speaks on Gita
https://www.patreon.com/posts/purpose-of-dasam-23957882
Anyway, Khalsa will stop cow slaughter||
ਵਾਹਿਗà©à¨°à©‚ਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗà©à¨°à©‚ਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ
Colonel Sir, you are back! I’ve been lifting as per your instructions.
Awaiting Further orders, Sir!
Grow your Kesh and take Pahul.
I’m no one just a servant of Lord Ram & his sons the Gurus.
Come join his army, carry arms.
I am glad and flattered you think so highly of me, but remember the source.
ਵਾਹਿਗà©à¨°à©‚ਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗà©à¨°à©‚ਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ
Ever since the mention of Sikhism I was wondering when you’d show up. About time. ðŸ™
WTF just happened here?
I am my own man and I state my own positions:
1. I am the scion of a family that traces its lineage to a god (literally). There are a lot like me. Remember Jim saying that Thor worship only works when the Patriarch is descended from Thor? That’s me.
2. I’m fully aware of and tuned into the classic as well as modern attacks on Aryavarta by various assorted demons, and those they convert, whether it be Baphometan attacks on Hindu society or Missionary attacks on our gods (unlike Europe, this is a real, live problem in my neighbourhood). And yes the attacks are lame and gay — the attempt is to convert the lowest-hanging fruit first, then use their numbers as a battering ram — like the Nigerian prince scam e-mails intentionally having poor grammar to filter for dupes.
3. Of converts the most dangerous are Aryans who identify with a foreign god.
4. I have a very thick skin (thanks, Internet!). I give no quarters and expect none. One hoping to establish
a Thousand Year Reichan oasis of Dharma in the cesspool of Kaliyuga must necessarily be able to weather psychological attacks.5. Any and all criticism of Aryan Gods is welcome, especially from those that consider themselves Aryan-descended and would like to explain how abandoning their paternal gods is a good thing that should be emulated by others. (Notice the “dissimulation?” It’s not dissimulation if one explicitly says it). A Slav is welcome to explain his rejection of Perun, for example, likewise a Swede of Thor. No temporal arguments, just spiritual debate. If considered off-topic here, you can post on my blog.
6. Any and all criticism of Hinduism is also welcome, from non-Hindu outsiders of Aryan blood who feel attracted to some parts of it but repelled by others (because “New Age” Hinduism is a tentacle of Moloch). I shall attempt to offer exegesis that is in line with Dharma, as far as Mata Saraswati will let me.
7. What I will not do is be dragged into the weeds about which specific god is holiest. This is the beginning of a holiness spiral and I shall nip it as it appears. My shibboleth is this:
This is Plan A. Anyone intending to Make Hinduism Great Again has to abide by the Common Minimum Programme stated above.
8. This does not apply to those who do not profess their ancestral faith. They are welcome to criticise as they see fit. I will gratefully acknowledge constructive criticism (as I did and do in case of societal dysfunction that led to Muslim conquest, and how to prevent it). I will also answer attacks with attacks.
9. The one thing I always strive to do, even attacks, is to always approach from the right. This, I believe, is unsettling to many who are used to “Hindu” attacks from the Left (which are actually Molochite attacks).
10. I am not trying to “convert” anyone to Hinduism — it is impossible. In fact I laugh at fools like Tulsi Gabbard’s mother who was duped into “converting” into Hinduism. If it were up to me I would execute all the fake maharishis, yogis, and gurus floating around with NGO money. “Hindu” is blood — even Ishmaelites realise as much when they dub every son of Hindustan “al Hindi,” to the great chagrin of anti-Hindu converts. Dharma is you worshipping your father and ancestral gods, and I worshipping mine.
11. One more point, as ’11’ is a more auspicious number than 10 lol: Every criticism that NRx levels at Christianity is actually a general observation of the workings of Moloch. As such much of it is broadly applicable to any religion assailed by Moloch, including Hinduism and Judaism. Likewise, the Jimian solution to Christian fratricidal struggle is developing a Peace of Westphalia, and I would like to extend it to Hindustan.
Only Sri Ramchandra knows what the future holds. Jai Sree Ram!
I believe Sri Ramchandra is the Lord and Eternal King, who is at once an immortal avatar of Sri Vishnu as well as a mortal who was born in Ayodhya that lies on the bank of the Saryu river, and died by immersing himself into the same river; who united the country from the Himalayas in the North to Lanka in the South, and whose sons and descendants conquered lands to the West (Hindu-Kush mountains are named after his son Sri Kush) and East (there is New Ayodhya in Thailand). I believe that Sri Ramchandra is the model of all just Kings, and Ram Rajya is the epitome of a just rule. I believe that his loyal servant Sri Hanuman, the immortal Monkey God, is the friend and guide of anyone who prays to Sri Ram, and the implacable enemy of those that would harm him.
Jai Shree Ram!
I am descended of the patriarch and great sage Atri of the Rigveda, through his son Aryaman, through the Sarmatian Scythians, who later became the Alans of France, whose closest remaining related nation is the Ossetians of the Caucasus, the latter being perhaps the most direct continuation of the original Indo-European peoples and religion. The Atreides of the Iliad also claim descent from Atri by their name, as do the many branches of the Atri-gotra in India.
My own small sect, though formerly Christian, endogamous, and of great influence and success relative to its size, was the first to be hollowed out by demonic progs who now wear it like a skinsuit. Philosophically, though, Christian theology has seldom been comprehensive, coherent or correct. Worst, it’s unclear. (Aquinas is an exception, but he was inspired.)
The sprawling labyrinths of stories of the Ancient Greek, Egyptian and Hindu religions have much to offer, but not coherence.
The monism of Kashmiri Shaivism, as lately revived after several centuries, is the most advanced philosophy I have yet found (though I can’t say whether it’s practices are or aren’t).
Baphomet has all but conquered Kashmir. Not until the Martand Temple[1] is restored will Kashmir breathe free. Now is not the time for philosophy. Now is the time for action. And the action is currently in Ayodhya[2]. The question boils down to this — who does your blood call out to?
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martand_Sun_Temple
[2] An small but interesting development is happening in Dasna Devi Temple, Ghaziabad, UP.
Kashmir Shaivism has about as much to do with Kashmir or Shiva as a “Chicago typewriter” has to do with Chicago or typewriters. But, unlike the better-known high Hindu philosophy of Vedanta, it embraces action in the real world and gaining freedom through power over it and the people in it.
(Sorry the quotes are so long, but they condense about fifty pages, which is just from the introduction. Really getting into it, these guys have more words for consciousness than an Eskimo has for solid water. Some of the Sanskrit terms may have OCR errors.)
From:”The Doctrine of Vibration: An Analysis of the Doctrines and Practices of Kashmir Shaivism” by Mark S. G. Dyczkowski
“The ultimate value recognised by classical Hinduism in its most sophisticated sources is not morality but freedom, not rational self-control in the interests of the community’s welfare but complete control over one’s environment — something which includes self-control but also involves control of others and even control of the physical sources of power in the universe.”(Karl Potter)
“Freedom (svatantrya) in the sense of both autonomy (kaivalya) and mastery (aisvarya) is the goal.”, (Mark S. G.) Dyczkowski continues.
“It is the Saiva’s approach to establishing the absoluteness of the absolute which differs from the Vedanta. The Saiva method is one of an ever widening inclusion of phenomena mistakenly thought to be outside the absolute. The Vedantin, on the other hand, seeks to understand the nature of the absolute by excluding (nisedha) every element of experience which does not conform to the criterion of absoluteness, until all that remains is the unqualified Brahman. The Saiva ‘s approach is one of affirmation and the Vedantin’s one of negation. They arrive at the absolute from opposite directions.”
“The New Way (navamarga) taught in Kashmiri Saiva doctrine is transcendence through active participation. Not freedom ‘from’, but freedom *to*. Desire is not denied, but accepted at a higher level as the pure will or freedom (svatantrya) of the absolute. Desire is to be eliminated only if it is desire ‘for’ (akdriksa), rather than desire ‘to’ (iccha).”
“The absolute oscillates between a ‘passion’ (raga) to create and ‘dispassion’ (viraga) from the created. This is the eternal pulsation — Spanda — of the absolute. Through it the absolute transforms itself into all things and then returns back into the emptiness (sunya) of its undifferentiated nature. Both poles of this movement are equally real; both are equally absolute.”
“Similarly the well-practiced yogi can discern the unity of reality while phenomena are manifest to him. If duality and unity were in fact absolute contraries, the moment they appeared together, they would cancel each other out. This, however, is not the case.”
“The freedom (svatantrya) of consciousness to do this [generate and reabsorb the universe in cycles of creation] is its sovereign power (aisvarya) by virtue of which it is the one God Who governs the entire universe. Absolute freedom to know and do all things is the primary characteristic of Deity: ‘The governing power of the Supreme Lord Whose nature is His own unique eternal nature as pure agency (kartrta) whose essence is the divine pulsing radiance (sphuratta) of the light of consciousness.
Both dynamic and creative, this divine power is Spanda — the vibration of consciousness. Its universal activity is the basis of Siva’s divine sovereign status. Indeed, Spanda is Siva’s most essential nature for without it He would not be God. As Ksemaraja says: ‘Thus God (bhagavat) is always the Spanda principle with its dependent categories – He is not motionless (aspanda) as those who say, ‘the supreme reality is perfectly inactive {aspanda)’. If that were so, His nature would be a self-confined stasis (santasvarupa) and so He would not be God at all.'”
“But, unlike the Brahman of the Advaita Vedanta, [consciousness] is not the real basis (adhisthand) of an unreal projection or illusion. Consciousness and its contents are essentially identical and equally real. They are two forms of the same reality.”
This is tedious and stupid.
It is the reductio ad absurdum of Hinduism disappearing up its own arsehole. Stick it on a Hindu blog. It makes the inane Christian debates over the trinity seem meaningful and intelligent by comparison.
Sorry.
I’ve studied a great deal of far more tedious stuff that makes far less sense to figure out what the enemy sees in it. Kant, Kabala, the doctrines of all sorts of secret societies linked with intel operations, Hegel, commie claptrap (there was a 50 kword fictional-ish interrogation by Stalin’s right-hand-man or the Trot former ambassador to France linked in AC’s comments I plowed through just a couple days ago. Hindus have nothing on Trots when it comes to tedium.)
So is it all tedious nonsense? Almost. The same could be said for most modern mathematics. But there is sometimes some insight to be had there (if you don’t get eaten by demons), and I still suspect that there is a reason they expend so much squid ink in such directions.
OK, taking it apart.
Mostly is Foucaultian gibberish signifying nothing. But to the extent that there is a payload, the payload is the speech that Krishna gave to Arjuna.
You are supposedly liberated from all obligations to kin, friends, and allies because the world is not real. Progressive equivalent is that you are liberated from all obligations to kin and friends because you care deeply about strangers far away who live in places you could not find on a map.
Pretty much, that’s the upshot. My point isn’t that I personally buy it, but that is the basis for the most developed form of the enemy’s philosophy. That the enemy believes it doesn’t mean it’s necessarily wrong, either, but rather that if many believed it, or even any acted on it (assuming it allows control without karma, as it claims), society would become an absolute shitshow in short order. Which it has, but there are obviously more plausible causes. Then again, [Wally Shawn voice] plausibility is subjective, and if there really is a Cabal calling the shots, I can tell you they probably believe some pretty weird things, which at least hasn’t impeded their getting enormous secret power.
Jim, Many Hindus would see Lord Krishna’s exhortation to Arjuna in The Gita this way
Stop cooperating with Defectors, even if they are Kin. Especially if they are Kin.
Jim and EH
these statements are not to be taken as text. In other words this is nothing like Foucault.
Kashmir Shaivism is tantra, it is not run of the mill philosophy.
Tantra texts can’t be understood by merely reading them, since they were crafted for meditators.
Their words in Sanskrit signify very different entities than what you can glean by naïve translations. Think of it as a higher dimensional form of information transmission than a mere text.
I can’t put it any more clearly because these concepts can’t be explained in speech or writing. You need tantric initiation and significant meditation experience before things start to make sense.
Maybe one simple example of the metaphorical nature of Hindu texts:
Shiva and his wife parvati organized a competition for their two sons Ganesh and skanda. Whoever went all around the Cosmos first, would get the prize.
Skanda sat on his peacock and flew far across the cosmos. Ganesh meanwhile sat in place, much to everyone’s surprise.
Finally, Ganesh walked around his parents, and then told them -“my parents are everything to me, and I’ve traveled around them “
When skanda returned, he saw that Ganesh had won!
This is a kids tale.
But it carries a tantric meaning which few Hindus realize:
Shiva represents consciousness. Parvati represents everything else in manifestation. Tantra says the cosmos comprises consciousness and manifestation.
Ganesh represents
I know inane bullshit when I see it.
You guys talk a lot about the Aryans, but the original Aryan religion was best preserved to the time of literacy by the Icelanders, and the men that wrote down the Icelandic sagas would have had the same reaction to this bullshit as I do.
“You are supposedly liberated from all obligations to kin, friends, and allies because the world is not real. ”
This is the bit of your post I was agreeing with, though even that is a partial understanding, because social consequences (karma) of acting on such a view will be as real as the world itself. If the quotes seemed like gibberish to you, that’s because you didn’t understand them — no unusual thing, they are extremely rarefied philosophy. Which to most people equals BS, and to nearly all the rest means something other than intended.
Those who already think their map is the one true and complete map not only reject all other maps, they reject anything that isn’t already on their map and do whatever revision to it needed to pretend that it is already on their map. Failing that, if it can’t be made to fit, then it is dismissed as unreal, since they have unshakable faith that their map must be at all times complete. Any suggestion that their map isn’t complete and accurate is taken as an attack on their self-concept, worth, sanity so must be nonsense, madness, blasphemy. Best to nod and back away.
Anonymous: Good comment, I generally agree, though these concepts can’t be entirely conveyed verbally to those without experience of what is being referred to, (nor can any concept), some statements come closer to hitting the mark than others.
Well, you plausibly claim expertise in an area where I have no expertise, but the translation uses words that have meanings in western philosophy, and on those meanings, it is mostly gibberish, words not cohering with other words in the sentence, and when they do cohere, when the sentence is internally coherent, it is, like Derrida, incoherent with the preceding and following sentences.
@EH
Thanks for your effortpoast. However, this is exactly the kind of Brahminical navel gazing that belongs in the Matha (and nowhere else). The time for this discussion is after Baphomet and Moloch and others are sound asleep in their graves. If a Hindu, take the affirmation. If not, declare your gods.
My God! EH, I had no idea!!
Do the Ossetians know of the Sage Atri? What is he called by your people? Good Lord, you exist. Please tell us more. It’s like meeting a long long long lost Brother. The base of my forehead is tingling.
If only the Indian Foreign Ministry was staffed and run by competent Hindus instead of mental-slave bootlicking nincompoops. Why exactly do we not recognise this country and have an Embassy there?[1] What are we afraid of? Nukes? We got bloody nukes of our own.
[1] The entire “conflict” over South Ossetia (and Bosnia) was retarded shit manufactured by the Cathedral. There was no doubt in my mind that Alania is different from Georgia, which, by the way, is a fake Cathedral-sponsored “country” itself, created as a foil for Russia[1]. Similarly Serbia. History has vindicated my opinion of Milosevic the great hero.
[1] I’m sympathetic to Georgian culture, just like I’m sympathetic to Kiev, but those states are transparent Cathedral puppets with a single purpose — serve as launchpads to deniably attack Russia.
Agree. North Ossetia is bigger and more important than South, though. Also, of course, the Georgians – Shevardnadze, really — were acting as a puppet of the State Department, so few of them should be considered to be enemies. At least we got to see him eat his tie on TV.
The worst attack on Ossetia in recent memory, though was the Beslan school massacre, carried out by Mahoundian Chechens. Bad, diverse neighborhoods, the Caucasus and the Balkans.
Saakashvili, not Shevardnadze.
Speaking of Incompetent nincompoops, what do you make of this
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/ravi-shankar-prasad-koo-twitter-blocked-account-1819329-2021-06-25
A Union minister complaining to Mummy and Papa that Big Bad Twitter blocked his account!
Pathetic! Being an incompetent noncompoop is a massive improvement over being this pathetic.
The Gods are laughing at us.
I’m not Ossetian, but an American with ancestry from several W. European nations, including some from what is today W. France directly, as well as from the Normans that invaded England, who were in part descended from the Alans, who moved into France ~400 A.D. (All the place and personal names with “Alan” are referring to this tribe. “Alan” is the same word as “Aryan”, and “Iranian”.) But the Ossetians call their country “Alania”, and the historical and genetic record backs them up.
I doubt the Ossetians remember Atri. The Ossetian religion, though it is largely based on folk traditions with a continuous heritage, has been broken by invasions and put back together several times, and the modern version seems to have a bit of prog stink added already, pretty much just environmentalist packaging, though — it’s not in holiness spiral mode, so far as I can tell, but rather a nationalist movement (e.g. Dugin is into it). Despite being about 30% of the population, their most important shrines are either the size of a garden shed or ruins. (Though they consider the buildings to be less important than the groves.)
I started researching Atri as an nth-level-digression from something or other; same with the Scythians, Andronovo (PIE), and Asian ancient history. (BTW, “Asia” is most likely named after the As, =the “Os” in Ossetia”). The Scythian gold work is some of the finest in history, and closely matches the style found in early Frankish work, such as from the tomb of the French Merovingian king, Childéric.
What I found most interesting is the likely connection between Arti and the Atreides, which also puts a new light on the whole sweep of Frank Herbert’s Dune series, particularly the later works, with waves of partial diasporas later coming back as invasions of changed but related peoples.
But is the Atri – Atreides connection true? This is all I’ve found:
For more on the Assian religion, there’s a re-link.
More relevant to the blog: the severe Woman Problem of the branch of the Aryans that later went to Western Europe was noted as far back as Herodotus in the 5th c. B.C.
The immediate ancestors of the Alans and Ossetians were the Sarmatians or Sauromatians (it’s unclear if they were quite the same), a part of the Scythian peoples:
There’s quite a bit more from ancient sources on them, including their relation to the legendary Amazons and the possible basis for that storyhere.
We have to be even more firm in our re-assertion of control of our women than other nations have found sufficient.
Are NFTs the future of society? Will every painting, photo, song, meme, land deed, even physical object, have a corresponding NFT? When an afghan farmer buys a goat from another afghan farmer, will that consist of tapping phones, exchanging crypto for the NFT of the goat, perhaps corresponding to the DNA or similar fingerprint of that particular goat?
NFTs are currently something of a scam, and likely to remain so for a long time.
But NFTs associated with RFIDs could work for goats, or any physical thing apt to move around, and NFTs could usefully be associated with land title survey data.
This, however, would require real life enforcement, and thus require authorities that paid attention to the NFT. The authority always has the capability to change the attention it applies to an NFT.
An NFT is only as useful as the authority that cares about it, and at present authorities that care about NFTs smell like scammers.
I’m sure authority’s interest would be piqued if they could property tax them.
That would work – and work as a major form of revenue and a major tax base.
I first discovered Jim through reading the usenet debates of David D Friedman the anarchocapitalist. He specialises in real-world examples of decentralised law, often taking place in very specific fields such as farmers. He has a great classic essay called “A Positive Account of Property Rights†where he describes property rights as an emergent Schelling point in game theory existing even in the Hobbesian jungle
What I’m getting at is that if the fundamental concept of “the legitimate owner of any object must also necessarily have the right blockchain token†catches on, especially if this idea catches on through multiple countries, then you have a situation where any individual jurisdictions could have a hard time enforcing any alternative system. If you steal my bike and ship it to some country that doesn’t respect my nft token claiming me to be the owner of that bike, the whole world would still see them as obvious fencers – handlers of stolen goods, and even the citizens of that country handling the object would know that they are also illegitimate at some level, because they would ask themselves why they do not respect tokens as proof of object ownership when everyone else does. Even if they use their own blockchain it would be the elephant in the room that there exists another blockchain with an earlier claim of ownership for the same item with no legitimate transfer to the new chain (ie no approval from the previous owner)
You do not even need rfid. Animal dna will have unique fingerprints, so as long as you have an agreement on the process, convert dna checksum to a token, first to register that token is the first legitimate owner until he transfers it. Slightly harder for physical objects. Could use chips but possibly we’ll have advances in material science to assign unique fingerprints to even basic items that remain even if people chopped them in half or shaved down their exterior
Demon infestation of Aryan religion is not a problem inherent to Hindus but a universal problem inherent to all Aryan religions, a problem caused by priestly consensus-building between Aryan conquerors and demon-worshipping conquered. We can note in Greece the Orphic cult, the Dionysos cult, the Adonis cult, Priapus in Rome, though Rome, practicing sole-polis dominion over its colonies, did a far better job of of maintaining the status of its civic gods over other cults until the faith withered in the Late Republic. There was also the infestation of Norse religion with some abominable earth mommy Vanir gods, the infestation of Celtic religion with PIE spirits, and so on.
The Persians also did a decent job, though Zoroastrianism is a bit gnostic for my taste. Polytheism is an avenue for demonic entryism; Aryan societies need one god, one king, and a definition of heresy, or your pantheon gets overrun by demons, and the successful Aryan societies all converged on having one god.
Actually reviving the old gods as anything more than a larp would take sincere ancestor-worship by geographically separated warlords during a period of anarchy, then a millennium of priestly consensus-building between allied tribes, and even then it would be vulnerable to demonic infestation, and would either be purged into the worship of a single supreme god anyway, or else fail miserably and turn the bulk of our people into demon-worshipping niggers. A two-thousand year process with an uncertain outcome. I will stick to cleaning up the religion we already have, since it took three thousand years or more to build.
Never rewrite working software from scratch. It is always a disaster.
Refactor under unit testing. Unit testing a faith is likely to be difficult, but the Lord told us to unit test.
“Refactor under unit testing”
Yes, a thousand times yes. Repeatedly apply transformation rules which are guaranteed to preserve the original behavior, or change it in known desirable ways, keep pressing Up-Arrow Enter to re-run your unit tests. Manually edit the unit test when changing behavior deliberately. Devise tests which cover all of your code. Every once in a while, deliberately introduce a temporary error to make sure the test breaks as expected.
“the infestation of Celtic religion”
The Celtic religion was almost pure demon worship from its inception.
Is enough actually known about the Celtic religion to say such a thing? I think there is enough evidence to claim there occured occasional cannibalism and beastiality but such things are widely dispersed in rare ritualism in many Aryan religions.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/druids-sacrifice-cannibalism
Demon worshippers.
Human sacrifice was almost certainly a remnant of PIE practices that infected the Aryan conquerors. It wasnt practiced universally among Celts, but the Celtic religion had gotten very bad by Roman times.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/47/6b/52/476b52e01a0674d78fe6f0ba0d666fe1.jpg
What exactly does PIE stand for?
The Celts are old Europeans partially (and the Hibernoniggers entirely so, and I say that as part Hibernonigger) not Indo Europeans. So it wasn’t a holdover it was always there.
Proto Indo-European
Politicaly correct terminology. We know that when they were one people, speaking more or less one language, they called themselves Aryans. Or something that sounded like “Aryan” after numerous pronunciation shifts.
Aryans are also referred to as the Yamna Culture. There is no end of dancing around their unspeakable name.
Pre Indo European. I say it because we dont have a good word for them
A healthy young man, finely groomed, soft hands with neatly manicured nails — how do we know Lindow Man wasn’t executed for homosexuality? It’s a complete body, so no cannibalism in this case.
Weak sauce. Wildly speculative. Looks suspiciously like nordic pagan execution / ritual sacrifice of homosexuals.
There are other indications that the druids were up to horrendous stuff, but this is the one you chose to present. I also disagree that every horrendous religious practice necessarily implies demonic corruption.
There is also ample evidence that the ur-aryans had a decent supply of horrendous ritual practices. You can find a lot of value in the dark.
Nuts:
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I am aware, those are the things i refer to as “other indications”, while one triple-killed bog corpse is weak sauce.
What is strong sauce is the Roman reports of mass human sacrifice. They didn’t say that about other enemy religions.
After victory, they thoroughly supressed Druidism. They didn’t do that about other enemy religions, which indicates that Druidism was thoroughly and conspicuously demonic.
It could have just been thoroughly intolerable to the Roman frame. The various Britons were incredibly hard to subdue for the Roman leaders who tried. They were also terrible at coordination between tribes. Maybe their demonic religiosity had downsides that affected that? In any case, I think it is probably a safe assumption to make that whatever they were doing, it was incredibly gnarly. Romans are recorded as being very resilient, cosmopolitan in outlook, and quite tolerant of different religions.
Romans subjected every enemy religion to Interpretatio graeca, and incorporated foreign gods into their own pantheon. A famous example being the conversion of the Damascus Temple of Hadad-Ramman[0] into a Temple of Jupiter. This originated with Greeks, of course, who had altars to “unknown god” in lots of places[1]. We Hindus also do it all the time, and many of our oblations end with lines to the effect of “…and this offering to all gods who I may have missed or not known about.”
Experience with Druidism was more the exception than the rule. The only other time Rome failed Interpretatio graeca was with Judaism, though they later compensated by adopting a Jewish heresy and making it the State Religion, turning Jesus the Jewish carpenter into Christ the Son of Deus. So not quite a failed conversion.
Druidism, otoh, was exterminated with fire. This leads me to suspect that it was Druidism, ot Judaism, which potentially represented an existential threat for Rome. Druidic religion was simply too powerful to be incorporated into Rome without Rome itself becoming Druidic. I also note that the time of Julius Caesar was the height or Roman degeneracy and duplicity (to be corrected a few decades later), and Roman gods had lost much, if not all power. As such Roman “histories” of Druids are suspect and certainly highly exaggerated if not outright fabricated[2].
[0] Another reason why I suspect Syrians of being closer to Aryans than Semites. After all, it was Syrians who were responsible for finishing off Muhammad’s lineage, and had the audacity to cut off his grandson’s head and display it next to John the Baptists’.
[1] One of which was famously visited by anti-Christian material self-censored haha.
[2] A near-contemporary example can be seen in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. For extra lulz you may imagine me in place of Maharishi Molaram.
Unlikely. We have lots of history. They did not see insurrectionary activities as religiously motivated, and had no problems eradicating Druidism, which evidently ruled only be fear. It collapsed at a pinprick, just like the native Hawaiian religion.
In Hawaii, a young, weak King, realizing that powerful foreigners viewed his state religion with contempt, and its practices as horrifying and demonic, suppressed it without undue difficulty.
The Romans were tolerant of other people’s religions, using the Cathedral tactic of interpreting them as an ignorant and low status form of the Roman religion. But they were horrified by the Druid religion.
Apparently, Druidism doesn’t turn the other cheek. Let us learn Gaelic…
A problem inherent to Hindus (or at least Hindustanis) is how many of them have infested the comment section of blog.jim.com. I realize this is a post on South Asia but these people are a straight up problem – I think almost half the regulars here are Indian. I don’t care that they’re “aryan”, the women are ugly as fuck and every last one of them is extremely annoying. Like homosexuals, they even form mafias to take over any organization they are allowed into. And these aren’t low caste types I meet either – I’m an American so every Indian I meet is fleeing India, and the only people who flee India are the high-caste types. Why? Because Indians are one of the most degenerated ethnicities on earth, so they voted in their own country to implement massive amounts of affirmative action in favor of low caste subhumans.
Some are even like Hasidim – won’t shake your hand if offered due to some religious concern. Like Scott Greer said, an event currently underway in the US which contemporary commentators never seem to notice, but which is obviously of huge importance, is that South Asians are colonizing our productive sectors. I fear that Jim’s blog is being colonized – but I’m commenting on it, even though I basically never comment under the same name twice.
India delenda est.
Jim’s blog at this point does have a pajeet problem. I could deal with one or maybe even two but more than that is too many.
I offered and still offer to take discussion of Hinduism to my own or suones’ blog.
Somehow or the other the religious discussions become fascinating here.
Since I am a guest here and this is a Western reaction focused discussion group, dharma commands that I don’t overstay my welcome.
It isn’t the subject matter specifically, I don’t think. It’s cultural clutter. I can only speak for myself, but you guys talk really tall for a society that can’t master the arcane art of indoor plumbing. You heap scorn on monotheistic traditions while there are literal cities overrun by vermin monkeys because one deity or another has a phenotypical resemblance. You guys have pilfered so much British culture and language, yet pretend you’re this ageless society, somehow better than Europeans and Americans because your ancestors did a thing. None of this is all that bad, just like having an Indian friend or coworker isn’t bad. But one turns to two, then to four, and before you know it the neighborhood reeks of curry and shit. Drowning in inane Pajeet chatter and crosstalk.
While today’s Churchianity is in a very bad state, and Suones has no end of entirely legitimate gripes about it, with which I substantially agree, I am unpersuaded when someone whose religion has been overrun by demons for three thousand years gives me lectures on religion.
New Age modern white paganism is all demons all the time, and probably the same was true of the fading remnants of Roman religions in the first century empire. It would obviously be unfair to so dismiss Hinduism, but not very unfair.
Agreed. The proof is in the pudding. It looks bad when we are ourselves falling apart. Suones’ anger against missionaries is misdirected at the comments section of this blog as I pointed out to him once.
We were doing ok as late at the early 1500s as Domingo Paes chronicles his travels to the Vijayanagara empire. He mentions the general prosperity, the lack of crime, the cleanliness. All the things India is missing today. Which makes it clear that India’s problems are not technical. Now historical memory is of some solace. if we were there once, We could possibly go back there. Hopefully.
Ancient Indian drama of as last as the 5th century CE has surprisingly no references to Rama or Krishna but lots of references to Brahma, Indra(Lord of War) and Kama (God of Love).
So I hopefully posit that this Krishna phenomena with the entire Ras-Lila thing capturing the imagination of Indians is of more recent origin. The RasLila always bothered me, but I never knew why. it was always by instinct that i shrank from that story. I was never satisfied with the explanation that as a God he was entitles to do as he pleases. I never knew why i felt like that and why I liked Lord Rama much much more. Now I know why!
it is this sort of thing that makes this blog irresistible to a thinking man.
>I offered and still offer to take discussion of Hinduism to my own or suones’ blog.
By all means please do so.
Let Jim say the word and we will all leave!
Stick around, but Hinduism is not supposed to be evangelistic.
Agreed. It isn’t. It’s like Shinto-ism, an ethnic religion. Buddhism is the evangelizing model made for export.
I don’t think I ever evangelised Hinduism. Personally I am a practising Buddhist but politically a Hindu, in the sense that Hinduism is best for India. Whatever I’ve posted here has been in opposition to Islam or the Left. And some frustration at the way things are and how I’m helpless to arrest the inexorable decline in things right around me.
I’m just trying to learn from how you are thinking about things and how you are able to glean all these incredible insights from obscure parables in ancient thought. Insights that make so much sense in context of what is happening today. This blog constitutes the best politico-religious-economic education that a Young man can have.
There is often more Christianity in one of your comments than in entire books from any church affiliated book store. If this is not an education, I am not sure what is. God knows I have been exposed to enough sermons from missionaries in my area and from lessons in Convent affiliated schools as a Child, but each and every one of those preachers will denounce me as a demon if I were but to repeat just one of the Red Pill truths you drop.
So in case we’ve never said it before. Thank you for sharing all these truths with us. Thank you for having this blog. Thank you for protecting our identities. Long may you live, and greatly may your tribe increase.
I for one greatly appreciate all of our indian commenters, and most of their terminology is understandable to me.
It doesn’t take a non-moron to understand Hindu religious lingo. It’s complicated, but it was designed for 90IQ types to memorize, so it poses no real challenges. In the same way, Greek mythology is known in sufficient detail by anybody who went to a good enough elementary school, and then looked on wikipedia for a few hours as a result. “Did you know Orpheus was part of a different cult that got folded into Greek religion?” is an insight at roughly the same level as what these dharmaposters crank out.
Many of us do not appreciate being swarmed by people whose grandfathers shat in their own hands. These gentlemen are aryan in name only – totally degenerated into worthlessness by a purity spiral that lasted more than 2000 years. If you’re an Indian commenter on Jim’s blog, maybe ask yourself why your high-caste brethren in the USA are the most eager adherents of modern communism, and think of a practical solution for that, before sticking your head far up your ass to study the holy unity of eye and colon.
Enough has been said on this topic.
Your thoughtful comments are much appreciated. I will indeed reduce my frequency/volume of commentary here (I can’t go to zero I simply can’t help it lol).
But you just executed a classic COINTELPRO[1] disruption op on Jim’s blog[2]. Stringing together a laundry list of prole-tier insults into a package you thought would be maximally offensive, to destroy a budding rapport in a dissident movement, is straight out of the FBI playbook. Bonus points for exploiting pre-existing faultlines and insecurities Americans have (their nation actually is being sold off to foreigners, so bound to be apprehensive). Double bonus points for muddying[3] the term “Aryan” which strategy dates from the OSS era. Triple bonus points for simultaneously dragging Greek religion into it, which is normally a no-no even for EVROPEANS.
This might be a coincidence, or it might be something worse. Unfortunately the present climate leads one to suspect everyone and everything.
So, dear American who comments under a new name every time (a strategy I also followed before settling on “suones”), please copy and paste the question and correct answer to https://blog.reaction.la/war/the-final-election/#comment-2672308 in a new comment, to demonstrate your sincerity.
Gotta go draw some water from the well now. No indoor plumbing here you see!
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
[2] Unsuccessfully, of course.
[3] See what I did there? Ha!
Here you are.
I was trying to be over the top for comedic effect – if I failed to execute COIN-style disruption it’s for the best – it was never my intention. That said, here’s my shill test.
Should we make pornography illegal?
[A] No, because male desire for sexual gratification is not causing society any problems. Now, we should ban gay, tranny, and cuck porn. And we should ban romance novels, i.e. porn for women. But heterosexual porn, especially if it depicts violent rape, will be allowed, and documentation of little prepubescent girls fucking their dogs will be required material for anyone who wants to be a member of the priesthood, not because it is nice to watch, but because it is incredibly red pilling.
However, in the interest of full disclosure I secondarily endorse answer [D] with the caveat that “children” are only those who have not yet reached fertile age. Those who make and distribute child porn (there is a market for material with prepubescents) are an existing problem that must be dealt with with the utmost severity. That said, the rationale in [D] is not really what I would give. Instead there is something inherently wrong about wanting to view that material, and of course the producers are engaging in real abuse. For these reasons [A] is the answer I agree with most.
You should address the problem I noted in the post you replied to. What makes your outcast Brahmins in the US into such fervent communists?
Orangecat
In retrospect I worded my earlier comment in a way that does make me look shillish.
I should have said “I for one do not” instead of “Many of us do not”, so as to avoid presuming to speak for many B.J.C readers. However, I imagine my guess as to mass sentiment is correct.
I stand by everything else I said, despite the fact that I did employ some dirty tricks (such as comic hyperbole and similes) which a very dull person may find confusing. However, I trust the blog’s readership is clever enough to not be led too far afield.
I for one am entertained by the Indian invasion as well as all the various opinions surrounding the Indian invasion.
You won me over with orangecat. You’re being awfully accommodating to a Hindustani throwing out shill tests. I’m not going to qualify his shit with a response because Pajeet Inc. has been shitting up the comments for a year now with little to no immuno response from regulars.
@Kunning Drueger
Was your McJob outsourced?
Even in those cases where one generates doctrine de novo, you present it in terms of an elaboration of that which has already been, as this signals to everyone else that you are playing on the right team – that you are for them, and not against them.
Ah, this one wandered afield somehow.
@orangecat
Thank you for humouring us.
I have stated this elsewhere, but the fundamental issue with hiring “good” mirorities is that they are defectors on their own tribe. As Prog religion specifically targets elites, once a man defects on his gods and father, he can and will defect on anything if given half the chance. If you hire a group of defectors (d/t sweet H1B savings for Bill Gates), why do you think they won’t defect on you? A similar dynamic exists between Jews in Israel, who tend to be nationalistic (about their own nation, ofc) and diaspora Jews who’ve been expelled from more nations than I know.
Root cause of this has been explored by @DharmicReality, and dubbed “ancestral curse.” Once the Chesterton’s fences that maintain cooperate-cooperate equilibrium come down, demons have free reign. Not only in the USA, but Brahmins are extremely overrepresented in any degeneracy, economic, social, or political, in India too. Guess which Brahmins reach the US? Priestly dysfunction is not just an American problem.
Perhaps I should have waited for a person of non-desi ethnicity to cosign Suones’ request before I deigned to take the shill test.
@Suones
This theory is false, in the sense that it is falsified. Chinese-Americans in my circles are usually fairly based and pretty much on the level; this is not due to China being based (it isn’t, and most Chinese-Americans I know find the PRC very distasteful.) Since they are defectors in the same way, your theory should predict that they would be American communists. Strike one. Furthermore, since many Americans find Indians and Indianness suspicious and annoying, as you admit, a behavior we would expect from people who are defecting from India is that these people should actually act like Americans in the class they aspire to join. This is not the case. In all situations I have seen Indians act just like one sees in Indian films. They do not defect – they bring a little bubble of their diseased country with them, like an invading group with camp followers. Strike two. Third, Brahmins are not the most degenerated group in India. Any HBD blogger can tell you that the genetic distance between the castes in India is deep and wide, and rivals racial divisions in other countries. The lower castes are degenerated in the Robert E. Howard sense, where a group of people slides back into being a lower form of life. And we’ve already addressed affirmative action in favor of low castes in the Indian state. Strike three. You’re out.
The two Indians I’ve known who were based were my childhood pediatrician and a roommate I once had. The former was a Zoroastrian Parsi. The latter was an outspoken Nietzchean.
In my earlier post I referenced Greek mythology, which you think somehow makes me glow in the dark. I didn’t say Greek mythology was important and I didn’t say I believed Greek mythology, so I don’t see how this would put me in a class with Richard Spencer types. In fact, except as literature and possibly as allegory, Greek mythology is unimportant. A long in place tenet of the new reactionary philosophy is that details of myths don’t matter so much as the effects of those myths. I mention Greek mythology because I imagine every American on the ‘blog knows it from school. That is what you do. You debate the details of mythology. That puts you on the same level of discourse as the “evropa” people you seem to despise. I would feel a similar way about an Irish person coming on here to make thousand-word posts about the correct interpretation of fairytales because they’re oh so traditional.
Reaction is not just non-demotic, it is anti-demotic. We should want to slough off as much human weight as we can at every juncture in order to maintain a small kernel of highly disciplined and effective partisans. In theory this kernel could include Indians. In practice it appears not. Your people are too interested in debating exact properties of that which you will never observe in life to participate as full members in a practical philosophical effort. It’s not your fault – it’s your nature, bred into you over many generations.
I now turn to https://blog.reaction.la/war/the-general-flynn-affair/#comment-2114199 to review which of the 26 reasons to suppress the gay are also reasons to suppress Indians.
1. Shamelessness (Check. If you’ve met or spoken with an Indian you know this to be true.)
2. Perversity (Check. Indian religion elevates badly deformed people and dirty animals.)
3. Subversion (Check. I have already addressed this.)
4. Incongruence with Sex Roles (Partial credit. The effeminacy of Indian males in the west is well attested. However, I cannot comment on their qualities elsewhere.)
5. Chesterton’s Fence (No. Excluding Indians is not one of Chesterton’s fences.)
6. Diseases (Check. Indians are responsible for reintroducing several eradicated diseases into the United States. Furthermore Indian immigrants have noticeably lower standards of hygiene than their surroundings.)
7. Infertility Normalization (No. Indians do not automatically normalize infertility.)
8. Obnoxity (Check.)
9. Lack of Pair-Bonding (No. No evidence Indians suffer from this.)
10. Disinhibition (Check. Indians do, in the words of “2019 is boring”, “constantly sexually harass normal people.”)
11. Cultural Marxism (Partial credit. Indians are not the direct result of cultural marxist thinking more than anyone else. But they are in the west because of it.)
12. Bad Aesthetics (Check.)
13. Leftism (Partial credit. The Indians of Jim’s blog do not promote leftism, though as I have pointed out they are a massive drag on non-leftism.)
14. Objectively Aberrant (No. Tempted to say check for laughs.)
15. Slippery Slope (Check. Follows naturally from their ethnic cabal behavior.)
16. Signalling Hazard (Partial credit. Indians cause people to assume rightist movements are overtly and specifically religious in character when overt and specific religiosity is an obstacle to effectiveness, and in extreme cases degenerates into pseudo-leftist purity spiraling.)
17. Confusion (No. Indians don’t confuse me.)
18. Preference Politics (No.)
19. Hypersexuality (No.)
20. Biological Leninism (Check. Spandrell, the originator of the term, noted that ethnic Indians are massive beneficiaries of biological leninism.)
21. Pedo-Hysteria (No.)
22. Priests vs. Warriors (Check. Without fail, Indians confound strategically sophisticated conversation with priestly babble.)
23. Conspiracy (Check.)
24. Cosmopolitanism (No.)
25. Consent Culture (No.)
26. Suicidal Ideation (Partial credit. Indians are one of the religious cultures that glorifies suicide in some cases.)
So, the reasons to suppress gays which also apply to Indians are reasons 1, 2, 3, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, 20, 22, and 23 – eleven reasons. The reasons which partially apply are 4, 11, 13, 16, and 26. If we weight these as half a point, then of the 26 reasons to suppress gays, thirteen and a half – a slim majority – are also reasons to suppress Indians. So, if the Indian delegation amuses you, maybe we should have a delegation of homosexuals here too. After all, liberals seem to find gays very amusing.
Damn no chill.
I’m fine with Indians and anyone for that matter posting as long as it relates to the content of Jim’s Blog. Jim is not Hindu nor does his posts mention Hinduism that much, so the comments should reflect that.
Im fine with one or two but letting masses of Indians stay here forever is going to ruin the comments here the way they’ve ruined engineering.
Hello, internet police? Yes, I’d like to report a mass murder.
Jokes aside, I think it is very interesting that you applied the 26 Points to a different crowd. In retrospect, it seems obvious that they would work on other subgroups. The shill tests were effective to a point, but this may be a very natural next step in perimeter defense.
I’m glad to see you posting.
I’ve never understood why people see value in Indian/Hindu culture, I suppose it’s a bit of the pot calling the kettle black coming from me but India has always struck me as a dirty people and dirty culture. The first thoughts that come to mind are pestilence and the shit filled sewer river they worship. Anyway, well said Orangecat, eloquent and entertaining as always.
They say the proof of the pudding is in the eating. I’ve had disagreements at times with some posters like suones, but they’re relevant disagreements that heighten the state of the art of scientific bigniggatry. Posters like somedude or dharmicreality are courteous and topical, and in general i’d consider them consistently positive contributors.
Customary discrimination is a general good, since if it’s common sense that [!demographic] is prone to trouble, you get better behavior from them. I suppose if i had a specific point to make here though, it’s that i don’t see better results coming from staking out a ‘hard line’ like this in this context.
It isn’t like we’re tacking up “No dogs, no women, no hindus” signs. Pajeet posting has escalated dramatically since the Covid debacle. Trimming back is not exterminating. I think three of us have expressed straight up animosity, none of which are admins or the Host. If Pajeet Inc. gets btfod by roughness, they weren’t worthy anyways. It is evident that Suones is a powerful contributor. He’s stated explicitly that he can handle “it.” He just took a wicked fusillade, and we’re going to point and laugh. Who knows who’s going to get got next week.
OK, I guess time to clear some misunderstandings here. I didn’t intend to post here much anyway, but since you have specifically addressed the Indian contingent I think I shall reply to this.
But first an aside:
Ha. Most if not all Chinese immigrants around the world are (either active or passive sleeper cell) spies for the PRC.
Immigrants of all ethnicities are either defectors or spies.
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Secondly, I never realized there is a Hindu/Indian invasion here. Yes, I understand where you are coming from. Suones has posted a lot here frequently and ruffled a few feathers. But speaking for myself, I have always been conscious that I am an alien guest on a discussion group comprised of Western dissidents. I have never sought to be one of you and to my knowledge neither has suones.
So far, I have seen three specifically Indian posters here, including mysefl. SomeDude is a Buddhist, not a Hindu, as he himself admitted, but he has aligned himself with Political Hinduism and on our side.
The reason I got attracted to Jim’s writings is his clear red pill truths which even many other dissident right wingers avoid. And it struck a chord that ancient Hindu wisdom aligns so much with what Jim says, even if he has arrived at those truths independently.
I have tried to keep away from inter-religious debates and especially criticizing Christianity and America, since it is of no productive use and only causes friction and animosity, but suones has been rather open about it (and in my opinion a bit too aggressive about it). And for which both Jim and the regulars have frequently debated with him.
@Cominator
I don’t think there is any conspiracy by us to “invade” this discussion group. I have identified three of us specifically identifying as Indians. And yes, I have offered to cut down my posting here, and especially on Hinduism. I will refrain from posting unless I find something specifically interesting to comment upon.
@Pseudo-Chrysostom,
Thank you for discriminating between us Indian commentators individually.
Of course they are, and so they should be, but they are not actively active or passive agents for the Cathedral in our white on white conflict. There really is a huge problem with Indian engineers as compared to Chinese engineers, Vietnamese engineers, and Thai engineers.
Possibly this difference reflects the fact that the Chinese Hegemony is not a Cathedral Muppet state, while the Indian government, despite having nukes, is not.
You are facing the same problem, and the same enemy, as we are, except that you have two millenia of losing, and we only have two centuries.
You have to bring a knife to a knife fight, a gun to a gun fight, and a faith to a holy war. And we are under attack by holy warriors and losing.
The big problem is that your ancient traditions are anciently corrupted by demons, while our ancient traditions are merely anciently corrupted by buggers.
@dharmicreality
Don’t take this conversation too personally. I’m having fun and hope everyone else is as well, irrespective of race. However, also do not take this disclaimer to indicate that I don’t wholeheartedly believe everything I wrote.
The M.O. of Chinese spies in the US and elsewhere during the 21st century is fairly well known, and while more sophisticated than techniques employed by the US and USSR during the 20th century, it does not involve sophisticated enough logistical management for even a middling portion of Chinese-American professionals to be spies, active or sleeper cell. Perhaps in Hyderabad, a technologically advanced and strategically significant world city, you catch and expose a lot of Chinese spies. But since I live in the global backwater we call the United States, the people I know who were born in China usually are quite glad to have left that state, rather than the spies I’m sure you encounter.
Based on what you have shared here today and yesterday, I surmise that your ethnic cohort’s thinking about defection and cooperation is flawed. Defection is not a bad thing. It is strongly evidenced, to the point I would say “proven”, that the best strategy for iterated prisoner’s dilemmas is tit for tat. For best results one should defect on recent defectors, cooperate with recent cooperators, and have a short memory. While there are strategies that beat tit for tat, in life we encounter various actors with various strategies, and in tournaments with many strategies employed, tit for tat always wins.
An Indian Brahmin who moves to the United States or the UK is acting accordingly with tit for tat. Treatment of Brahmins in India, if I have good information, is quite similar to treatment of whites in the United States. I don’t fault him for leaving to go live in a place where he gets free stuff. Just because you defect on defectors doesn’t put a black mark on your soul so you will never be trustworthy again. If you think that’s how it works – and there’s a lot of textual evidence that you do in fact think that’s how things work – then you suffer the dual curse of being both Indian and mentally disabled. Being based – which I like to think I am – is defection against the United States. If you think it makes me untrustworthy or spiritually degenerated, you should see how the cooperators act over here.
Chinese who leave China often have a primary loyalty to an entity other than USG. I don’t care, because I do as well. But it is as Jim said: they are a different race, with different loyalties. You are a problem race, with problematic loyalties, not to mention behaviors. For instance, think of suones’ above accusation that I am guilty of “exploiting pre-existing faultlines and insecurities Americans have”. So eloquent it could have been ripped right from the New York Times, a Harvard syllabus, or the microblogging of a homosexual twitter bluecheck.
In 1497, Portuguese explorer Vasco Da Gama became the first European to visit India by sea. The technologies available in India and Portugal were at that time basically equally matched. Over the course of the next 360 years, your people were transformed into the consistent servants of the white man, even though whites had to travel thousands of miles by sea and brave tropical diseases to even visit India. Whites had extreme handicaps and still got the decisive upper hand in the conflict. Even Indian “independence” was not a true independence; rather, it was the result of the failure of the British Empire to continue to exist, a process of failure which occurred entirely in London, and which was executed wholly by white British people. A healthy British empire would have eliminated Gandhi the way I eliminate a mosquito. The man’s movement was a far cry from the Sepoy mutiny (with which, as you can probably tell, I mark the end of any shred of Indian independence). Meditate for a while on why events transpired as they did. Here’s a hint: while there could be many correct answers, one that decisively does not match the reality of the situation is “We Indians lost because we were insufficiently Indian”. Another wrong answer is the equivalent “We Indians lost because we did not understand the true meaning of vedic philosophy.”
In conclusion, I would like to make a public request that those who choose to respond to me please respond to what I actually write instead of imagining that I believe what I do not believe, and then responding to that. For instance, I never claimed to not know Chinese-Americans with primary loyalty to the PRC. One of you also apparently did not notice that I have made no reference to the third world level of technology available in India, which suones awkwardly attempted to agree-and-amplify in the final line of his shill test demand. For future reference, before you attempt to agree and amplify, check that you are actually agreeing with anything, rather than just shouting out the insult you are worried about without anybody bringing it up first. I am of course aware that India became a global superpower in 2020, and believe entirely that every Indian poster on Jim’s blog has a real, working, big-boy toilet in his house. No sarcasm on the toilets. In fact, I await seeing the effects of high-tech Indian nuclear weapons on Karachi and the surrounding environs – as well as the effects of Pakistan’s largely “tactical” nuclear arsenal on your state sometime this century. I expect the resultant crop of one-eyed, stillborn calves will constitute a good omen for India and Indians the likes of which the gods have not delivered since antiquity.
It is not a coincidence that your people provided the refugees in The Camp of the Saints,
Orangecat
Is there such a thing as an eloquent boob?
If we happened to find ourselves blogposting compadres of the dot-head persuasion, shilling, sliding, shareblueing, or otherwise shitting outside of the designated shitting streets, the rejoindering of such with denial of status through mockery and humiliation (for which there, im sure we can agree, would be no shortage of ammunition) is an appropriate and – more importantly – energy efficient response. (You know, like how Communist Revolutionary was usually dealt with.)
Since none of the regulars around here in question are like that though, im having a hard time seeing how this isn’t an unprovoked attack on your part; and if an attack (counter or otherwise) wasn’t your intention, then it is hard to see any other.
@Orange
I was away for a day and seem to have missed some fun!
Meta: Your action was very surprising and your content very shill-like, is still very shill-like.
From https://counter-currents.com/2021/07/how-to-leave-white-nationalism/,
You started (unsuccessfully) with suppression, and have quickly pivoted to inflaming internal conflicts. Either you misunderstand our position, or you deliberately choose to “misunderstand” it for lulz or worse. These tricks are useless, of course, but their intended target is destroying a building rapport, with the content itself being a diversion.
For others reading, here’s my answer to some questions (those that I feel aren’t deliberately framed to provoke).
Call one: Chinese-Americans are loyal to a Nation that isn’t currently under Cathedral occupation. They’re not defectors on China, they’re socio-economic migrants, and would prefer to return to China if they earned enough money and/or settled disputes with the CCP. Finding the PRC “distasteful” is al-Taqiyya for living in America. Some Indians in America, otoh, actually hate India, due to any number of reasons. They would like nothing better than a green card and a path to US citizenship, and would gladly cut off their son’s dick if it meant never going back (think Kamala Harris’ mother — an actual Brahmin). In some respects, the Republic of India is a much, much worse State than PRC, because it is an outpost of Cathedral poz. Taking another view, being an outpost has advantages in that the Prog Programme has a twenty-year delay here. If America collapses rapidly, we have a twenty-year head start before China mops everything up. Then again, there are Indian economic migrants as well, which see free American money floating around and decide to take a bite. These people will be the ones enthusiastically cheering Power, which in current year is Prog. The tell is that they will support the opposite of that at home, and use their American-obtained wealth to push against poz, but only in India, not America.
Call two: Hindus don’t aspire to “join” Amerian “class.” They find common cause with Progs in considering American society degenerate and declasse. Progs’ “American ideals” are fake and gay, progs themselves know they’re fake and gay, Hindus know they’re fake and gay — beyond enthusiastically and conspicuously affirming those ideals to “live” in America (to get rich, ofc), they hate them. We prefer to create a bubble of our country to preserve us from the polluted environment all around. If this sounds like a “mafia,” it is because “the mafia” is exactly this, only it was Italians doing it the first time round. This is particularly galling for degenerate Americans who actually believe in their degeneracy, and quite obvious to red-pilled Americans.
Call three: Indian “lower castes” are not “degenerated” forms of others. They simply have a leftward distribution of IQ. Unlike Europe where very harsh conditions culled a lot of lower-performing stock, and the rest were severly subjugated until their ultimate emancipation, Indian climate and high fertility has preserved many thousand-year-old bloodlines, both high and low. I’ll write more on the European dynamics on my own blog, for fear of offending (the few) pussies here, which reflects badly on our esteemed host. Brahmins, however, especially prog believers, are true degenerates. They have a choice between Dharma and Adharma, yet choose Adharma. And I mean “Brahmin” both in the Hindu and Moldbug sense. Brahminical professions, like law and media, are extremely pozzed, at New York levels. I think they might be more pozzed than even prog Jews, in some respects. Communism, while it lasted, was also dominated by caste Indians. Some of it is a function of the State Religion of India being Harvard, other a function of ancestral curse. “Affirmative action” or “reservation” is a different compromise with a demon other than Moloch, one that has proven successful in its mission while making feeble-minded caste Indians salty. More about this on my site.
Baseball metaphors: LOL
The “Indian” you refer to as a “Zoroastrian Parsi” is not Indian by definition, and is a Persian (==Parsi). Zoroastrian elites (who were able to flee to India) and Hindus seem to have established a good rapport over the centuries, despite our religions basically being polar opposites (Zoroaster emphasised the worship of Aryan-era “asura” — demons as gods, while condeming gods, “daiwos”/Deus as demons). I have no idea what “outspoken Nietzschean” means. It is not a belief system, and comprises half a philosophy. I suppose you meant he was equally anti-Hindu as anti-Christian, which is a very fertile ground for Moloch.
Greek Mythology
You’re doing it again, even as you protest loudly. The payload, again, is this:
Replacing “religion” with “mythology” is an old priestly weapon. You first stated your view of Hindu mythology as being contemptible (which I’ve seen elsewhere). And then you attacked Greek religion by associating it with something you just stated was contemptible. This is novel. Even the staunchest “whites-only” “blue eyes or you’re a nigger” crowd doesn’t attack Greeks (despite their general swarthiness), which you just did. The anti-Christian EVROPA guys actively admire Greek religion, and the pro-Christian brigade either ignores it or sweeps it under the rug. No one attacks it. Well, no one except Jews, Commies, and shit-stirrers. My mention of Hindu religious topics was only in response to specific questions. And I generally decline to be dragged into the weeds about specifics (as I’ve mentioned). Your butthurt regarding it is greatly disproportionate to the stimulus.
Another attack:
Insincere appeal to principles to fracture a building rapport is something Codreanu warned about. Progs take this this principle to its extreme, where two is a crowd, and “Radical Individualism” is rad.
We don’t want to “participate as full members in a practical philosophical effort,” whatever you mean by it. All I want is the Peace of Westphalia extended to us. I’ll deal with “my people.” Shitposting on BJC is not some earth-shattering global conspiracy lol. Yet enemies attack it, keep attacking it.
I could respond to your 26 theses, but that would be boring. But I found your explanation of #16 to be very intriguing.
This could be ripped out of an enemy manual. In fact, one of the major points of difference of Jim’s blog with techno-Reaction was the equation of GNON with God, and the Telos with Christ. Recognition of “religion” simply as good social technology that has lasted the test of time is one of Jim’s key insights. Overt and specific religiosity is not only not an obstacle to effectiveness, but infact it is essential for effectiveness. Overt and specific religious shill tests, whether Christian (per Jim) or Hindu (per me), have proven surprisingly effective on this blog and in real life. Overt and specifically religious Templars were effective against Saracens, overt and specifically religious Buddhists against Islam in Burma, and overtly and specifically religious Hindus (dubbed the “Hindutva”) in Hindustan.
I think I misunderstood you and chose the wrong shill test lol. As such, you have bigger demons to fight than me. Say hi to Moloch! Tell him I’m coming for him next.
@suones
I thought you’d been here long enough to recognize who o’cat is. He’s been gone for a while, as was I. I don’t know why he’s back, or if it is who I think it is, but if I’m correct, his use of “we” is not an Appeal to Authority. It is an assumed spokesman frame, one he is more than deserving of, assuming I’m correct about identity.
The commenter population on JB has gone through a substantial demographic transition over the last year and a half. As TC pointed out in a different comment, some people left because of Coronatarianism issues. I bowed out concurrently but not for that reason. Prior to the coof, there was a period of very harsh disagreements as well as shill interlopers. This is when the shill tests were instituted. I stated then why I think they had some pretty big vulnerabilities, but I made my concerns very clear to our Host and left it at that. Calling people feds because you disagree, dislike, or any other spurious reasoning is counter productive and free D&C for the enemy.
I’m also pretty conservative in my preferences so I don’t like to see dramatic demographic changes in a place I feel at home.
I tend to be oblivious to very harsh disagreements. I am latitudinarian orthodoxy, and I expect a lot of friendly bullying between friends, which should be taken in good grace. Suones response to savage, though well deserved, bullying was exemplary.
What harsh disagreements do you have in mind?
I recall three issues in dispute:
I’m remembering specifically when shaman was gatekeeping in a very heavy handed manner which I, at the time, thought was excessive. In retrospect, there really is very little good that comes from being welcoming and accepting. I could just be remembering it in a warped fashion.
Hey, that third one is interesting. I’m not a software guy at all but I think I get the “start from scratch” vs. “refactor/patch/whatever” idea. Do you still standby that at this point? The discussion I was having with PseudoChrysostom is in this vein I think, and you talked about Christian Position, Dark Enlightenment Position, and Natural Law Position. Is it possible to get to a point where you really do need to start from scratch, even if it is basically a refactoring of older and/or esoteric forms? The Russians I speak to say that the ROC is a den of hypocrites locally and that the message they put out internationally is just Putin constructed rhetoric. I feel the same about Catholicism in America: I know good catholics but the Church is a joke. At what point do we start a faith movement to weave into the social movement (women are property) and the political movement (monarchy)? I guess I find a Book of Jim (like Word of Blake) more likely than any faith coming to it’s senses.
The Nazis came over, except for the obvious shills. Today they all national capitalism and white sharia. I have high hopes of Russian Orthodoxy coming over.
A lot of the criticisms of Russian Orthodoxy sound suspiciously like criticisms from within the progressive frame – I suspect shills, but have not looked into it.
And if they don’t come over, fine. Episcopalianism is stone dead. Resurrect 1660s Anglicanism under the name Episcopalianism, then call it orthodoxy, pay due respect to the Russian Orthodox position, and Russian Orthodoxy is going to reciprocate. And after a long time, people will gradually come to say “American Orthodoxy” instead of “Episcopalianism”.
The history of Russian Orthodoxy is that when the Tsar added country Y with a hostile faith to his empire, he would send out Russian Orthodox priests to country Y, who would promptly declare themselves to be Y orthodox and valiantly defend the prerogatives of the Y Orthodox Church against the Russian Orthodox Church. It did not lead to problems. Russian Orthodoxy and X, Y, and Z Orthodoxy would be mutually respectful and in communion.
In all of the issues where Roman Catholicism broke from Orthodoxy, the Roman Catholic position was wicked, heretical, and bore ill fruits. And where Protestantism deviates from Orthodoxy, generally stupid – predestination, adult baptism, sola scriptura, and all that.
Sola Scriptura is true in a limited sense (I have been doing no end of Sola Scriptura on this blog) but you also have to draw on the accumulated wisdom of the community of saints, on two millennia of painful experience. Sola Scriptura is no excuse for tearing down Chesterton’s fence. We don’t want ordinary people reading the bible for themselves. The shill tests against Demon Worshipers claiming to be more Christian than thou are arguably justified by Sola Scriptura, but they are primarily based on past defense against entryist attack by past state Churches.
Even in those cases where one generates doctrine de novo, you present it in terms of an elaboration of that which already is, as this signals to everyone else that you are playing on the right team – that you are for them, and not against them.
Protestantism has bore the illest fruit of all…progressivism.
Further: any concatenation you can come up with is going to have holes in it, and you will not know what those holes are until Being discloses them to you, though engagement with it. Thus, a Tradition becomes something that is smarter than any one particular being can possibly be.
And, contrapositively, such sorts who place full faith in personal concatenations, believing them to have no holes at all, and moving forwards mechanically through their preceptual algorithms at full force, are a primary source of calamitous modes of through throughout history.
One who believes it is possible to gnosticate something larger than the world within his own fraction of the world is misguided; one who believes it is desirable to try to to gnosticate something larger than the world within his own fraction of the world is stupid.
Orthodoxy is united by the faith of the living church, not as a set hierarchical structure similar to that of Roman Catholicism. The Church-organism is the pure Bride of Christ, but the Church-organization has all the faults of human society and always bears the marks of human infirmities. While in certain cases the Church-organization has persecuted the saints of God, the Church-organism receives them into her bosom. If revived “Episcopalianism†were to adopt the theology, councils, traditions, saints, liturgy and so forth of the Orthodox it would cease to be separate.
Far more than a set of ideological commitments, Orthodoxy is a complete system of life with each doctrine having been annotated and dogmatized by the church in infallible rulings. If the work of a church father is approved by the councils the interpretations are final and unquestioned. Despite two waves of persecution by the Iconoclasts the church remained steadfast.
Many wish for Jim to become Neo-Confucius in order to create a faith from scratch without the elements of Christianity many on this blog have problems with. Any attempt at adding heresy to the church is irrelevant; should NRX bring Orthodoxy to power the official Church-organization will better understand monarchy and patriarchy while retaining her positions on spiritual matters.
Despite the detractors and blackpillers proclaiming the “death of Orthodoxy†things are looking up. Having a keen eye for people one would be surprised at how many are in accord with burning down the girls’ schools.
Good to see Shaman back, we missed him.
Reality contains that which exists. In order for God to have causal powers, he must have existence rather than nonexistence. If anything that God creates is real then it necessarily participates in the same ontology or mereologic relation as God. Nothing therefore can be absolutely separate from God as both share the same ontic medium. The only logical possibility for God is either a panentheistic di-polar monism or a local deity. In either case, the traditional notion of God within the Hebrew bible is either secondary to the Absolute or is not metaphysically distinct from the corporeal continuum.
This conclusion is why the essence-energies distinction of Orthodoxy is paramount to understanding God’s nature and his relation to the physical world. Without the logos serving as a bridge between the physical and the metaphysical one is forced into a type of monism. Unlike in Greco-Roman Paganism, distinction for us does not necessitate division or composition, therefore Christians do not equivocate God creating the world with the divine essence.
St. Basil Letter 234 TLDR is the same theology written 1600 years ago:
“Do you worship what you know or what you do not know? If I answer, I worship what I know, they immediately reply, What is the essence of the object of worship? Then, if I confess that I am ignorant of the essence, they turn on me again and say, So you worship you know not what. I answer that the word to know has many meanings. We say that we know the greatness of God, His power, His wisdom, His goodness, His providence over us, and the justness of His judgment; but not His very essence. The question is, therefore, only put for the sake of dispute. For he who denies that he knows the essence does not confess himself to be ignorant of God, because our idea of God is gathered from all the attributes which I have enumerated. But God, he says, is simple, and whatever attribute of Him you have reckoned as knowable is of His essence. But the absurdities involved in this sophism are innumerable. When all these high attributes have been enumerated, are they all names of one essence? And is there the same mutual force in His awfulness and His loving-kindness, His justice and His creative power, His providence and His foreknowledge, and His bestowal of rewards and punishments, His majesty and His providence? In mentioning any one of these do we declare His essence? If they say, yes, let them not ask if we know the essence of God, but let them enquire of us whether we know God to be awful, or just, or merciful. These we confess that we know. If they say that essence is something distinct, let them not put us in the wrong on the score of simplicity. For they confess themselves that there is a distinction between the essence and each one of the attributes enumerated. The operations are various, and the essence simple, but we say that we know our God from His operations, but do not undertake to approach near to His essence. His operations come down to us, but His essence remains beyond our reach.â€
I think you can less precariously discuss what parts of Hinduism are certainly not demon infested, than what parts are. For example, the religious component of major sacraments and rites like weddings and funerals likely are as they were at the time India last exported Damascus steel, when it was still a functioning civilization with a healthy religion. Every lawful wedding still involves the consummation of a contract between the bride’s father and the groom, and the bride makes vows of obedience, fidelity, service, and children.
Suffice to say, Ramayana is also not demon infested, and it is from Ramayana the semiformal prescription of the ideal man, wife, and citizen flows. In fact to some degree a prescription of capitalism too, in that the duty to judiciously steward property and acquire wealth are praised.
But problem is there is a conspicuous lack of Rama worship and the conspicuous proliferation of and obsession with ritual practices such as letting milk boil over the stove when you move into a new home, not to mention the proliferation of not even metaphorical but quite literal demon worshipping creeds which are treated as if mainstream and not heretical.
This is the Brahminical holiness spiralling I warned DharmicReality about. It is extremely similar to another Old Belief: Judaism, where the dietary rituals are accorded more importance than the Ten Commandments[1]. It is indicative of insufficient culling of the Brahminical flock. The time for a Shankaracharya is long overdue.
[1] Ron Unz satirises this by saying that the average Talmudic Jew is more concerned with whether hands are to be washed clockwise or counterclockwise before prayer rather than whether he is praying to God or Satan.
Rituals/practice of daily worship which had come down from father to son through the ages *are* important, otherwise you get Prog entryism in the form of “I’m spiritual but not religious” nonsense. Also it’s not just rituals that are important for their own sake, but the fact that Hinduism’s rituals have been sidelined has also led to tearing down of many Chesterton’s fences by the Hindu reformist elite, because without a daily practice of your religion you lose touch with tradition.
Hindu elite degeneration is in one way related to their non-involvement in religious activity.
In fact, this is what has led to the degeneration of the Hindu culture as a whole. Many rituals may make no sense, but the average Hindu requires some level of ritual worship to avoid this problem. Hindu festivals need to be celebrated traditionally and with some level of pomp.
In fact, I find the opposite to be true, i.e. imposing a certain set of rituals/worship and knowledge on how to perform those rituals actually cuts down holiness spiralling on the philosophical parts of the religion which is most important.
Becoming a priest should involve a rigorous daily discipline.
The higher the position of the priest, the more rigorous and difficult the performance of the ritual.
If somebody who cannot perform rituals (which take time and effort) sincerely, regularly and with devotion is prevented from holiness spiralling, you get a lot less priests to spiral their holiness.
This can be enforced by a Dharmic King.
Hinduism has failed to enforce this and today everyone is a priest without actually performing his duties. Using this strategy Elite Prog Hindus have successfully sabotaged Hinduism by claiming to be Hindus when they are not.
Elaboration of rituals is in practice a major failure mode of religions.
You cannot define a set mode, because there is always some detail that someone is going to make a big deal out of. No matter how set it is, he is going to make it more set in more detail. It is always possible to elaborate a ritual under the pretext of getting specific about what was left vague.
On the one hand, you don’t want people rolling their own rituals. Every ritual of every church of the same religion should be completely familiar and expected by someone who comes in from another Church, same as every McDonalds has the same menu. On the other hand, getting fussed about the details of ritual is theomancy.
Within Hinduism, this problem is addressed by “forking”. The base code remains the same, but almost every practising Hindu household has its own variation on the same base rituals and every Hindu temple has subtly different rituals with no centralized control.
So long as the base code is recognized as Hinduism, I see no problem with forks. Some forks are obviously doomed to failure of course, while others take off in a big way.
The real problem arises when a disagreement happens *within* a household and that should be handled by the Head Patriarch. Similarly within a temple or a religious institution, the Chief Priest’s word should be final on all ritualistic matters. Anybody disagreeing can leave and fork (if they can).
It might not seem so to an outsider, but every Hindu temple has its own rituals and own routine with the base code remaining common between most Hindu temples.
So long as the base code is acknowledged as common, I see no problem if people disagree on the details of rituals (with forking as a solution and not hostile takeover).
@DharmicReality
This is the crux of the matter. Ritualisation is a priestly endeavour. As such it is always vulnerable to holiness spiralling. A Dharmic King blesses one set of rituals as Divine and the others as heretic. If the King has sufficient power, all is well.
In every household, the Family Patriarch is the head priest. There is no Dharma bigger than honouring one’s Father, and obeying Him[1]. Domestic rituals should be the preserve of the Family Patriarch. Ask any learned Brahmin about rituals, and he will readily admit that after performing the minimum Vedic rituals, additional ceremonies may be conducted by request of the “Yajaman,” such ceremonies being called “Lokachar” and having as much Dharmic validity for the Family as the Vedic rituals. I viewed this as excellent social technology in that the officiating priest, the Head Brahmin, defers to the Family Patriarch, in every religious ceremony. This increases the status of the Patriarch within his household, and this is what the Brahmin is actually paid dakshina for.
Holiness spiralling stupidity would be not stepping out in an eclipse when the Armies of Baphomet are at the doorstep, or failing to interrupt one’s sandhya when dacoits attack the house.
[1] Not including extreme outliers like pederasts.
I don’t think we disagree on the holiness spiralling part, but I see no evidence that this is a serious problem, because every household and every temple has its own variant on the same base Hindu worship. So long as the base is acknowledged, I see no problem with variants on the same rituals and it is up to the Chief Patriarch of the household to impose his will on ritualistic disputes, as it is for the Chief Priest of the temple to impose his when the same happens in temples/religious institutions.
The big problem with Hinduism today is actually a lack of practise of Hinduism. The daily practise of Hindu rituals has become low status. Lazy philosophizing (allowing for cheap holiness spiralling) has become high status.
This has allowed Progs with Hindu names to advise Hindus that Hinduism, rightly understood is Progressivism, without having to prove that they are actually Hindus. Shill tests and demon worship tests are fine for online fora, but in the real world, we need stringent tests that actually prove whether somebody is a genuine practising Hindu or not before they are allowed to preach to Hindus on what Hinduism actually is.
Every fight between Vaishnava and Shaiva is Adharma. Every imposition of one’s own dietary laws on others is Adharma. Every inter-caste struggle is Adharma. Every submission to foreign powers in hope of advantage against local rivals is Adharma.
Every single act of Adharma above ultimately destroys the soul. To take salient examples: why didn’t Sri Maharaj Prithviraj Chauhan and Sri Maharaj Jaichandra fight Ghori together? Why did half the Rajputs fight for Babar against Rana Sanga?
Re: shill tests.
I’ve found that “Jai Shree Ram!” as a common greeting is surprisingly effective in real life. You should try it. Even people who resist saying it feel a tug at their hearts. Those are the ones who can be saved. Stringent tests will necessarily have to be tailored to the functional capacity of the individual. A basic test is honouring one’s Father and family gods.
Where are our George Soroses?
Clearly there is an asymmetry where the left’s rich guys are willing to lose money on a long game, fight dirty, infiltrate every institution top to bottom by buying judge’s elections, etc. etc. whereas the right’s rich guys just create think tanks that promote “free market” justifications for importing more foreign tech workers, etc.
Perhaps it is just another manifestation of the left having all the intense holiness spirallers and the right just “wanting to grill,” but especially given there must be some new crypto millionaires and billionaires of a right wing persuasion in recent years (Szabo, for example, is surprisingly red-pilled), why don’t we see any “Gates Foundation but NRX”? Yes, that billionaire would be horribly vilified, but Soros IS horribly vilified and seems to just have a tough skin, as were the Koch brothers (typically cited as something like the right wing equivalent to Soros, but, as we know, still quite globalist in their inclinations). Yes, some crypto tycoons are anarchist privacy nuts and so vulnerable to left libertarianism and reluctant to put their money out there, I assume, but seems hardly any serious money goes toward building e.g. whatever the opposite of the WEF, Open Society Foundation, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, etc. are, and of course crypto is not the only way conservatives get rich.
All the elites are Brahim. Trump was the last Optimate. It is no longer left vs right. It’s the elite vs the plebs now. High-low vs the middle. See late Roman Republic.
Vaishya support is downstream of power. If you have a right-wing Clinton Family, you will have right wing Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos (because they themselves will be “right wing”). The Left has memetic superiority because it has captured Brahmin status-giving institutions. Which is because the Left has military superiority because it is backed by the US Army carriers and nukes, has been for more than a century. When you have a competing right wing Army, then we can see the change. It happened for a brief while where US Patriots formed a new grey Army (that lacked a real Will to Power anyway), but zilch apart from that. President Biden has specifically hammered this point: to counter Leftism you need F15s (at least) and nukes.
Don’t spout lost cause about the Confederacy being overly based or anything.
The Confederacy wanted to bring in more niggers, that is why they chimped out. Furthermore the Confederacy was also a Republic… Republic’s are not in the long term based.
Any large Republic (beyond the size of say Switzerland) is going to maybe have some generations of good governance but eventually parasites and traitors are going to game the system. The Union was not overtly pozzed until Woodrow Wilson but because its a Republic and Republics suck it would have gotten there…
Monarchy is the only system capable of sane government in a long term, and any Republic that rises to world power status is going to eventually become the great satan before either collapsing or as in the case of Rome becoming more like a monarchy.
“The Confederacy wanted to bring in more niggers” Bringing in foreign labor isn’t necessarily a bad thing ; it’s when you allow said labor to procreate and establish cultural footholds that you get problems.
Other than African eunuchs in Arabia, when has imported labor ever not procreated and established a cultural foothold?
The CSA were more based than the USA, even though both were on the road to poz.
Logic that an anti-Left movement has to be “perfect” or else it is bad, bad, terribad is retarded and a rightward version of Holiness spiralling. One step right is better than two left, and to reverse the Leftist ratchet by even one peg is to break it. The Confederacy halted Leftism in its tracks until Woodrow Wilson got the ball rolling again, reaching peak poz only in 1964. Not bad for a “failed” revolution.
Confederates were Patriots.
Hitler did nothing wrong.
Nixon was entrapped.
Trump was a great President.
I will only brook discussion of the above if Leftists first agree to discuss the evildoings of Lenin, Wilson, Kennedy and LBJ. Until then they can fuck off.
The USA revolution was an evil Leftist revolution, not because they overthrew King George (happens all the time), but because they failed to establish a dynasty or State Religion afterwards — leaving the door open to capture by Harvard, which may have been the intention of some revolutionaries from the beginning, but probably not all.
It is interesting to note that Anglicanism (as opposed to Puritanism) was strongest in the southern colonies which seems to be the reason why the South was and is more based than the north even today.
What halted the poz in its tracks until Wilson is during the “gilded age” the radical leftists lost the power struggle to the free soilers (who were not that leftist on any other issue) and lost BADLY. It had nothing to do with the confederacy in fact abolishing slavery completely helped it (i guess you could say its good they chimped out and lost and hence paved the way for that).
One thing that gave progs an opening was that silver was demonetized for corrupt reasons and this caused a lot of economic problems.
I think it is fair to ask that you provide evidence that the CSA wanted more new slaves. They definitely wanted to keep their slaves. They definitely were massively republicish and hated the idea of monarchy, failings both. But I’m struggling to find sources for CSA argument for more slaves. Contrary to Whig history, USA was not the main destination of African slave trade. That would be the Caribbean, South America, and points East. Last time I looked, more or less 4 percent of black slaves ended up in the USA. And the Cuban fiasco blunted mass introduction of black Africans significantly.
The CSA would have ended slavery within a decade. Their economy was falling way behind that of the industrializing north which no longer needed slaves anyway.
The CSA’s problem with Lincoln was that he made clear he would not abide any expansion of slavery into the territories and was going to ignore the Dred Scott decision.
There was no question if the South stayed in of the Union of Lincoln abolishing it in the existing states though.
Furthermore re the carribean and slavery, the CSA definitely planned to conquer Cuba almost immediately if they were let go.
Eternal damnation is even better than nukes. Hell is eternal!
Soros money is not his own.
Mercer, thiel and erik prince especially would be inclined to do this but probably threatened with a certainty of dire consequences after backing Trump to never do that or anythin like that again.
Erik Prince is an optimate, brahmins don’t do a stint as Navy Seals especially when their family is already beyond loaded.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaj_Larsen
Until Amerikaners let go of their fantasy impressions of the US military, things like the completely cucked response by veterans to the Great Steal will keep happening.
I know that at least the generals are pozzed but most people who seek out combat units are not pozzed.
The only thing pozzed in Erik Prince’s background is that he converted to Catholicism (I ALWAYS cringe when I see this and I don’t understand why people do it, there is nothing attractive about the homosexual cult).
Respectfully, you don’t know anything. You believe lots of stuff, you assert lots of things, but you don’t actually know. And you have submitted no evidence.
Here’s what we do know:
Vets with actual combat experience either continue on as contractors, go into police, go into fedgov, or go elsewhere. A very, very small percentage go into digital media, startups, or some other 21st century type “me” business.
The vast majority of vets from GWoT have no combat experience, rudimentary combat training, and an embarrassingly high percentage of suicide, addiction, and petty crime.
All three breeds of vet (old timers from Gulf I etc, combat vers from GWoT, and poge vets from GWoT) watched the election get stolen, after a year of literal communists, gangs, and urban terrorists carried out an assault campaign across the country, and did absolutely nothing.
This is anecdotal, and I’m not going to be specific, but I have personally interacted with dozens of actual operators and actual combat vets. They are not paying attention to politics, they are collecting paychecks.
The military is pozzed. Full stop. The battle for the hearts and minds of the military is over. Anyone who says otherwise and fails to produce evidence is probably in denial.
Are you saying that the average soldier is a progressive democrat or worse?
I never claimed they would do anything until things got REALLY bad. Freelance right wing violence by vets is impossible now because any right violent organization is going to be strangled in the cradle by the state. The personal attack makes me think you were one of the morons who left because they bought into the covid hoax.
I’m pointing out that you don’t have a good handle on the USM. A lot of them maintain this stupid idea that they are non-political and are completely unwilling to take sides, which means that they will just follow the crowd, which means that, in ever instance that matters, yes they are basically progressive democrats. But this is not a deeply held belief and my money says they’d flock to a right wing banner if they saw one that wasn’t being waved by some geriatric pseudo-conservative.
The initial thing I brought to your attention was an example of exactly what you said didn’t exist: a Cathedral loving Brahmin who went through BUDS and joined teams. There are a lot of them, which was actually a big shock to me, but most of the Blue guys go into FBI or HSI. They don’t wear their politics on their sleeves, but their daughters are sluts, their sons are gay, and their wives are stunning and brave. Yes, there are based operators who have the old pills, but in my experience they get out, go to ground, and mind their own business.
Okay reasonable enough.
Classic priestly attack from Leftism 1.0. First they convince based warriors to be “secular” and “non-political.” This is a technique to remove the influence of based priests and their based State Religion. The intention is to remove Deus from their hearts, and Caesar from their banner. Once achieved, said warriors become easy prey for Moloch and tranner surgery.
Any “secular” priest or “non-political” warrior is a potential golem of Moloch. He can be converted back, but not without Deus in the Temple and Caesar on the throne.
What could a rich man do with his money that would make a difference?
What do mean with “fight dirty”? Infiltration of institutions can’t be done with money (alone). You need infiltrators willing to do it and a way to ensure that they won’t turn into progressives (like some many supreme courts judges). How do think could money solve this problem?
Buying judges’ elections is being done by rich guys. What’s it supposed to change?
Nothing can be done until Caesar marches into Rome with an army at his back and declares himself dictator for life. Nothing short of that suffices.
What happens if the less insane middle decides that it has had enough but is still too squeamish to resort to open violence and declares a general strike?
Or more likely a targeted sort of strike, as in pays truckers to not deliver to blue areas. Seems to me that’d be a way to force either a massive escalation or a capitulation. What percentage I wonder of truckers not delivering would it take to make the cities no longer livable?
Then they get fired (and possibly arrested) and replaced with immigrants and blacks for half the price. Peasant revolts never work.
Doubt you could easily replace a million truckers, at least not before your civilization collapsed. That kind of strike isn’t a classic peasant revolt, it is a direct assault on Cathedral logistics. My question is, how much would it cost to pay enough to strike.
I think you are correct that the Cathedral would escalate to open violence, but that’s more a feature than a bug.
The elite of the dieing Roman Republic always escalated with open violence all the way until Caesar.
Want a Caesar from what you’ve got? Getting the other side to escalate to open violence is probably the only way you get there from here. An awful lot of people would support a general strike or the like that wouldn’t support anything ‘violent’, even though such a strike observably will always draw a violent response.
Thing is, a ‘nonlinearity’ like this is absolutely necessary when your opponent controls all the major institutions.
Forcing the Cathedral to violence, and Jan. 6th showed, is not going to force Caesar to materialize out of thin air. Great man theory follows that great men do not come around that often. Young Caesar may only be in his teens or early 20s right now (as Yarvin predicts and I agree with), in which case we need to do our best to not get genocided before he arrives.
January 6th was a joke. Crippling the logistics of pretty much every major city would not be. I don’t think that America can be salvaged intact. I believe that the root problem of Trump’s failure was that he was desperately trying to salvage America intact, when such is impossible unless your foes capitulate. And because they’re holiness spiralers, they won’t. Given the current rate of holiness acceleration, I predict many will wish they’d burned it all down, smashed the power grid and the just in time system.
The ‘peasants’ may not be able to take or hold power, but they can most assuredly burn it all down.
The ‘peasants’ cannot rule. Should they succeed in burning it all down, who then is going to rule?
If you have in mind anarcho capitalism, that requires an armed and dangerous elite even more virtuous than a Republic requires, and holding to a shared faith. If you have in mind anarcho socialism, been tried.
Someone other than the Cathedral, because they’ll pretty much all be dead. It’ll probably suck, but not as bad as what the Cathedral has behind door number 1. When I say suck, I mean it’ll likely kill 50% or more of the population. The US @2021 has an exceptionally brittle logistics system. That’s where it differs from Russia last century.
Would take elite coordination to organize a rebellion of that scale. And if an elite (like Trump) can think big enough to organize a million Trucker strike across the nation he can think big enough to organize a million man militia to take DC, something Trump failed to do (as Jim stated would be necessary to win the election).
Crippling the logistics system of the US wouldn’t take much. Doing it and making the Cathedral look bad when they fight it would probably take something like the general strike I mentioned—or in this case, the general logistics strike.
But as I mentioned before, a LOT of people would support or even participate in such a strike that wouldn’t dream of marching with arms on DC, even though that strategy predictably leads to war. Kind of like a lot of people would support an oil embargo that wouldn’t support a war, even though such an embargo generally leads to war in 6 months or less.
The logistics strike though has the advantage that it nullifies the strength of the US military more or less from the get go.
It is an interesting thought experiment. However, history shows us that without elite coordination, peasant revolts tend to look more like the Whiskey Rebellion or Bonus Army, inconvenience that is eventually put down with overwhelming violence by regime forces.
Just a side note: the Teamsters Union is incorrigibly Leftist. Long distance trucking as an occupation exists due to societal breakdown that prevents corporations large enough to make railway transport profitable from existing.
Recruiting a million truckers to not deliver food to the cities requires the same if not more organization than Jan 6th would need. Serious people didn’t show up, nor would they. Everyone apparently has better things to do.
If Trump decided to stay in office regardless of the election results and drop term limits, it would require people who have actual power to go along with it. Which means the threat of force if not actual force. Did anyone see this happen? Because I think what happened is that proles got shot by the capitol police, and then the prole military stood by (unarmed) to dissuade other proles to try it again, and then Trump waved goodbye and left.
If I discipline my wife by smacking her, it isn’t Joe Biden or a congresswoman who comes to my door to arrest me, it’s the local prole cop, who subscribes to the Ben Shapiro podcast and loves the Constitution. If you can’t convince a prole cop to not arrest you for smacking your wife, you won’t convince a million truckers to stop coming to work. And none of you can tell a cop or a trucker what to do anymore than you can tell a congresswoman what to do. Or anymore than electing Trump and expecting him to tell the government what to do.
Some notes. Truckers are actually only about 2% unionized, with only about 75k Teamsters (out of about 3.5M truckers in the US). They’re also a seriously Trump demographic. Truckers USED to be a union demographic, at one point with like 2M truckers in the teamsters, but that was in the days where Teamsters was a bit more of a sane variety of leftist. 1960s union types would seem positively reactionary today. By comparison, about 6% is the unionized rate in the US as a whole.
Whoops. Seems auto-correct inserted a blank into my blockquote and screwed it up.
Fixed
Another pressure point would be a police strike. Every officer in the country stops fighting crime from midnight tonight until Biden grants Officer Derek Chauvin a full pardon. To really rub it in, say that Chauvin gets dinner at the White House and a Presidential Medal of Freedom too.
The government’s first response will of course be to call in the National Guard, who will stand and watch the cities burn around them, just as they stood and watched the murder of Mohammad Anwar, because none of them want to be the next Derek Chauvin.
Won’t happen… the cops will shove their own families into the gas chambers for muh pension.
Even if truckers are a “seriously Trump demographic” your argument is unpersuasive. When air traffic controllers did a general strike in 1981, Reagan simply just fired them all. That’s over 10,000 key civil service fired, replaced, and banned from future government employment, and air travel was a lot less dense back then so the impact was relatively massive. If they can find replacements for something like that, which requires years of detailed and very expensive education and live training, they can find replacements for someone to drive a fucking truck.
Same goes for a cop strike. If pigs started not showing up to work, they would replace the 90 IQ white police force with 80 IQ niggers, which might actually be an improvement, because an incompetent and undisciplined domestic police would be better for us than a competent and disciplined one.
In any case, the police are unscrupulous mercenaries who would gladly throw you in jail for “domestic violence”, throw each other in jail for “domestic violence” (cops have a hilariously outsized DV arrest rate compared to the general pop), and soon they will be throwing you and their own grandmothers in jail for saying the word nigger or on suspicion of having once said the word nigger. They are generally stupid people incapable of independent thought, and they’re selected to be that way. In order to get things done you need to be able to tell the men with guns what to do, and if Trump couldn’t do it, which was foreseeable and likely, then there isn’t a political solution. I don’t see a solution at all right now except moving. I heard Switzerland is nice this time of year.
Never happens.
A holiness spiral is usually stopped from the top, sometimes stopped from the far right, never from the middle.
The middle is disempowered by accepting the superior virtue of those who hate them and intend to destroy them – unless the middle is Caesar himself.
Unless you reject the very roots of holiness spiral as evil and satanic, unless it was evil and satanic all the way back to Socinians taking over the Church of England, Whigs resisting the King’s divorce, unless it was evil all the way from Sam Adams organizing the American Revolution, not going to get anywhere.
When Burke saw that his leftist attack on the East India Company was coming back to bite him, as those even holier than himself sought to destroy him as he had destroyed others, he immediately grasped for throne and altar conservatism to protect himself. Nothing less will protect us.
Charles the Second gave the East India Company the legitimate authority to make war and peace. Well, if you make war and win, and then impose peace, the peace you impose is going to look very like you ruling. And so the East India Company gradually transitioned from being mobile bandits to stationary bandits, without anyone quite noticing the transition.
And then members of the ruling class in Britain coveted what the East India company had obtained by the sword, and wanted to take it away from them. So Burke prosecuted, and made propaganda offensive, against them ruling. Whereupon people in England holier than himself said “Well, if rule by officials of the East India Company in India is illegal and immoral, how about your rule here?” Whereupon Burke suddenly embraced the Throne he had been undermining, and the Altar he had been desecrating.
Nothing less can could protect him from collective holy organized violence, and nothing less can protect us from collective holy organized violence.
I don’t see what’s wrong with Sam Adams organizing the American Revolution. You can criticize the argument of the FF about “the people and equality” or their refusal to install a new King, but deposing a tyrant that is making life hard for the people is plenty right.
At what point do you start to recognize the failures of the King and the legitimate resistance by an aristocratic sector of society? A King isn’t always justified or right, and if he is incompetent he should be deposed.
They didn’t depose a king. They whipped up popular sentiment based on complete lies while taking advantage of Whig revolutionaries controlling parliament and/or blocking reasonable policies and process. The founding fathers where the BLM/Antifa of their day, not to a man, but far more than is popularly remembered. They didn’t win the war, either, just as Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq didn’t beat the US. In all these cases, Congress or Parliament made certain that victory for the dominant power was impossible.
Sam Adams risking imprisonment because he refused to collect the taxes of people starving or having difficulty making ends meet is not a lie. John Hancock risking imprisonment because taxes and government regulation was strangling his livelihood is not a lie. When the tax collector and the merchant agree like this, government has become a tyrannic institution that is literally starving people. Even a seemingly Whig lawyer like John Adams originally supported the King, it’s just that the King made himself unbearable. How many of the original in the Continental Congress actually wanted peace and to have a treaty with the King? The spirit of this people lived on in the Confederacy, this people were genuine in their interest of prosper and adequate ruling.
BLM are niggers shilling for nigger interests and demanding niggers are worshipped and financed by whites, Antifa are whites defecting on other whites for short term profit. There is no comparison here.
Taxes were not high at any point under George III, especially not compared to any modern Democratic state.
John Hancock on the other hand was very much right that strict enforcement of the Navigation Acts and the Coinage Acts however would cause a kind of catastrophic deflation in the colonies and potentially reduce the living standards over time to that of Ireland. The issue was not so much taxes as monetary flow.
The problem with the Revolution was not seeking a compromise peace over these issues.
The only way the American Revolution was at all justified were the Navigation Acts and Coinage Acts which sought to create an “Ireland” situation here with extreme deflation and a trade deficit.
The problem with the Revolution was rejecting the compromise peace on these issues.
Furthermore post Revolution should not have created a Federated Republic and should have stuck with the Articles of Confederation or become a monarchy, the anti-federalists were quite right that Republics really suck when they are scaled.
George soros has power bestowed to him by actual power. If someone would try his tricks in opposition to power, the hammer would come down hard and fast. Simple as. Only way to act in organization against power is to do so completely invisibly, which is difficult and weak. Thiel caught the wave when there seemed to be an opportunity, and others will catch the next wave at the next opportunity.
If they lose the ability to apply pressure, hostile networks will expand, before that, you need a massive force multiplier to do anything at all except just talk – which they are going after hard anyway.
Biggov involvement Afghanistan was about opium. Run a search for military guarding opium fields. Opium has a long and sad political history and was likely the real reason Western Civilization sought a shorter route to India.
A more pressing issue is this door-to-door vax campaign. Hope you’ve got a plan.
Recently I feel strong desire to divorce myself from my wisdom.
Though I don’t posses much wisdom, my heart is being burdened by my wisdom continually.
My wary heart want to believe that china flu is as dangerous as media like to say, that whatever fact checkers say is true, that normality will return once I take the vaccine, that the vaccine is safe.
But deep down I know these are deceived spirit’s thibking.
What good is speaking truth when it will fall on deaf ears?
Why would you want to believe in fearmongering?
I know that feel, but then consider: to speak truth may be futile, but to speak lies is to lose your soul.
Taking the blue pill is always a choice. Nobody said Enlightenment was easy.
This is the sinister part of regime propaganda: normal people, when faced with two different sets of beliefs, one which they know will pit them against their friends, family, and society at large and one which will put them in consonance with all those things, eventually twist and distort their perception and interpretation of facts to allow them to adopt the former.
Only the somewhat autistic are immune enough to social pressures and signals to continue to believe things that seem true to them but which put them at odds with everyone around them and stand in the way of thinking the world is a good, just, and happy place. But the pressure is always there nonetheless.
If you believe that things that put you at odds with everyone, it is time to change your social circle or your believes
My experience is that my beliefs do not put me at odds with everyone. Partly I have a social circle that is quietly red pilled, one believer in the blue pilled faith, who finding not everyone accepts his views as unquestionable, goes easy, the rest are at worst Havel’s Greengrocer.
Partly, things have gone a lot easier once I had God at my back. If people think you don’t believe in anything, while they believe in something, they will get pushy. With God behind you, they fall back.
How does one have god at his back? Attending church and such?
You don’t need a whole church, one or two others suffice – Matthew 18:20.
No.
It is not practical for me to attend a Church that preaches Christianity, rather than Cathedral propaganda, and if I was attending Church and such the other guy would not know.
Rather, it is a matter of inward frame, sparingly and infrequently decorated with outward piety. You don’t need to show any outward piety to the other guy, word gets around if it is congruent with inward frame.
This is a very liberal use of the word autistic.
You know how many times I’ve been told this or that was impossible and I still did it and found success? When I started my first own business at 19 it was incredibly impossible, I was incredibly too young and I was going to incredibly fail, I’m still hearing it. This market is too saturated, this economy is too difficult, you’re working too hard, you’re young you should be enjoying your life. You can’t, you aren’t, you won’t. Once I hit my 50s perhaps they’ll start to tell me that I’m just too old instead of too young. I suspect any man who has ever had any amount of reasonable success has been told innumerable times that he wasn’t capable, he would fail and it was impossible. For the small people, the world is always incredibly complicated and impossible, and the evil people, they’ll always try to trip you up a little bit more.
Having problems dealing with “social pressures and signals” is called being a faggot and a lesser man. In the times of WWII it wasn’t weird for people to have completely and radically different ideas about many things but that didn’t stop them from being friends and dealing with each other. Thomas Moore and Thomas Cromwell were somehow friends, strange as it may sound considering the situation. Men of quality don’t shrink away from disagreement or hold it against others as if it was personal, each man is his own world and has his own interests, his own personality and his own beliefs. Each man a king under his own roof.
@The Ducking Man
Stop being a pussy and stop diminishing yourself.
Thomas More*
Maybe. It is true that autism is sometimes described as “hyper-masculine brain.” Which implies that having a degree of what 4chan colloquially calls “autism” is actually entirely appropriate for a man. Like nigger, I think “autism” has been, to a degree, reappropriated by online culture. It still refers to people whom a psychiatrist would actually diagnose as autistic, many of whom our side finds more likeable and reasonable than the average man, but it also includes anyone comparatively immune to social pressures, along with a slightly affectionate implication of stilted social skills, though I don’t even think everyone assumes all 4chan “autists” are socially retarded.
The old Royal Society ideal of a gentleman was that a true gentleman spoke the truth and was immune to social pressures.
I am immune to social pressure, and also have good social skills.
The difference is that “nigger” much more precisely and accurately describes a kind of person than “autist” does. I am smarter and better looking than most people, and as a result have interests that often don’t fully align with theirs. Often I have to ignore what people think because they are retarded. Does this make me autistic? No.
I guess the question of interest here is whether saying “autist” when we really just mean “independent thinker” is a fun form of deflecting self-deprecation or playing into the enemies’ hands by implicitly pathologizing independent thinking.
ignorance is bliss…
Fuentes officially banned from Twitter. It was suspicious why he was allowed on Twitter, yet banned on everything else including a no-fly list but I guess this puts to bed any possibility of him being compromised. My personal belief is that young Caesar can only necessarily come from his generation.
Maybe. The other day the FBI put together a new “white supremist” group and had them march through Philly. They got laughed out of a town on 4chan as obvious glowie operation because facebook hasn’t banned them. Maybe they’re taking the hint that only fully banned groups will work as honey pots now.
Yeah that was Patriot Front which is a very obvious fed entrapment honey pot. Tons of fednats were blasting the video on Twitter which looked something like a KKK march. They don’t understand us and red pills to do thing anything more sophisticated. Nick regularly makes thoughtcrimes showing a real understanding of reactionary red pills, particularly about race and black behavior, which is their most sacred issue. No one who is non-anon is going as far as him with thoughtcrime besides maybe Andrew Anglin.
The only thing questionable about him is he still buys into the bizarre troofer theory that 9-11 was a setup with dancing Israelis and such. I’m not sure if its just because he’s too young to have not lived through it or what. Besides that he’s pretty solid on everything even calling out age of consent laws which is approaching Jim levels of basedness.
>The only thing questionable about him is he still buys into the bizarre troofer theory that 9-11 was a setup with dancing Israelis and such.
That’s very much a FBI meme. I’m not sold on the guy. I’ve watched a few of his videos and I still get the feeling he’s soaking up real opposition to divert it away from anger at the ruling class. But then it again it’s pretty close to impossible to tell who is what these days with any namefag. If you think he’s useful in fighting against the cathedral, good enough for me.
The commenters on Ace of spades and other mild rightwing sites are dropping Red Pills on race these days too. The Feds have shifted away from trying to control thought to trying to prevent a revolt. There’s less policing going on those sorts of things on the right now. Whites are automatically racist now, so speaking the truths that get you labeled racist is proving less effective now.
Nick regularly talks about the class conflict of the deranged ruling elite using the lower races as a mercenary army against the historic white American middle class. Not impossible that the feds got to Fuentes but if so, they are allowing him a lease to unload red pills and thoughtcrimes on his audience in a way that is far more sophisticated than the morons like Spencer or any other fed shill commenter. I’m not ruling it out, but it just seems unlikely.
He just seems to have a hang up about the Jews and Israel at times (although he doesn’t overly focus on it as a central issue) is my only knock but then again so did Anglin for the longest time and sometimes he still does. Perhaps it’s because both of them have been under attack by largely Jewish agents of the Cathedral for a long time so it’s personal in many ways for them. The JQ is a complex issue and I’ve only ever seen it explained in a way that makes sense by Jim himself.
Also, thinking about this more, if Fuentes was a fed asset I would think they would have used him on 1/6, which he attended, to lead his followers into the Capital to cause more violence like the fed assets in the other groups like the Oathkeepers. Instead when signs of Capital breaching occurred Fuentes fled as to make sure he was not charged for violence. Not something a fed would do.
I think we may be giving our enemies too much credit. Glowniggers are stupid and bluepilled with a midwit IQ at most and they are pretty easy to spot.
That is why we call them glowniggers. When you have spotted a few, they all glow in the dark.
Our enemies are not very smart, because a smart man cannot pass their orthodoxy quiz.
where does jim layout the JQ?
A few places. The gist is that Jews are not the problem, the left is the problem. Jews are selected to be high-trust within their ingroup and low-trust outside, so they do well in a society where defection and betrayal is the norm. Furthermore, they have typically been used as cutouts for European elite misbehavior. Notice that the hand of Soros is the hand of the State Department. He had to beg and scrape before Hillary Clinton, which is a clear indicator that his will is not his own. There is not truly a Jewish Problem. There is an Holiness Spiral and Elite Problem, and the corrupt and decadent elite wave the Jews as a matador does a cape; to keep the bull’s attacks away from the one sticking him with spears.
So they’re just the victims? In spite of running all the news networks, media, federal reserve, etc… they are powerless?
And I suppose all members of Biden’s staff being them is just by chance? And Biden taking a knee to them is just a clever ruse on his part?
Really…? Did you not hear the part about destroying the legacy of whiteness or how Europeans are going into multicultural mode?
It is you who are mistaken or shilling. You tried to gaslight me before.
Not what Wulfgar Thundercock said about the Jews, not what I said about the Jews, not what he said that I said about the Jews.
Not what “cutout” means.
No, they are not victims, dumbass. That sounds like some woke commie bullshit right there. They are doing bad acts at the behest of another–greater–power, and that makes them victims? Have you taken the shill test, or are you just too tainted by the mores of the day?
When we take all the leftists to be shot and the bodies burned, we are going to kill a whole lot of Jews. We are going to be killing leftist bad actors, not Jews, though a whole lot of Jews are apt to die. Enough so that it will look like ‘anoddah Shoah, oh da humanity!’ As we will be targeting leftists over Jews, we will not be overlooking people like Kamala Harris and Hunter Biden in a pointless and useless hunt for the Jew running a sandwich shop. Who is more of a threat to Heratige Americans? Brian Stelter spreading evil propaganda on CNN, or Shlomo the deli man who is a little tight fisted and obnoxious, but makes a great Reuben and does not really bother anyone?
Before a skype is a skype he is an alien, and hence needs to be physically removed from a native society like any other alien; because a man in an alien land cannot help but be subversive, even if he were to be otherwise perfectly fine in his own land.
The fact of them being especially prone to leftist modes of thought in greater ratios than any other prominent race is just icing on the cake.
The most sacred issue of progressivism is the WQ, not race. Feminism was a problem way before niggers and blacks suffer the problem of feminism double tempo.
Blacks rank higher than white women. Black gay trans women rank highest of all.
Black women rank higher than black men.
Black gay trans women rank higher because they are trans women, gay and black in that order. Black lesbian woman likely to rank the highest of all, and we see that with BLM which seems publicly organized by black women with very lesbian/trucker mannerisms. Every time you see a prog event, the black lesbian woman is the one with the microphone and berating everyone else.
Who ranks higher than Hillary? Who ranks higher than Kamala? Who ranks higher than Obama? Who ranks higher than Michelle?
Hillary lost to Obama. Kamala is the holiest of the holy which is why she was force fed into the Biden administration even though she barely cracked 1% in the primaries.
Did a quick check and I found an example of obvious FBI fednat twitter shill that’s not blocked: https://twitter.com/FascTheStampede
That account was one of the ones blasting the Patriot Front march over and over again (along with any account with fash or fascism in the bio). Obvious FBI. They don’t seem to be blocked, otherwise how could they entrap people?
“fascthestampede” is a reference to a character named Vash the Stampede, from an anime called Trigun. Idk if feds possess the knowledge of anime requisite to use its memes in such a specific manner.
What the internet labels “fed” falls into the classic “80/20” split, which is to say 80 parts are CIs and 20 parts are benefits collectors.
Trigun aired on Adult Swim in the 2000s: it’s not exactly an obscure anime, and if this particular account were a paid shill and didn’t already know that, 5 seconds of googling could tell them. Maybe if they used an Angel’s Egg reference you could claim that. Either way, having seen or knowing about anime doesn’t mean a person isn’t just an idiot. At this point it’s probably the opposite. Normal people watch anime and read comic books and play DnD now; fat women love telling you they’re into Japanese cartoons. Most of that stuff is and was gay trash to begin with.
Twitter in general is an enormous waste of time and you should probably get rid of it. It’s just news articles but now you can see every moron’s awful opinion, every moron retweeting every other moron’s awful opinion, most of it stolen and watered down. This includes Nick Fuentes, who is a retarded e-celeb: no functional difference between Fuentes and Ben Shapiro. Nothing interesting is being said.
Even Curtis Yarvin gets substack money from watering down his opinions, and his original opinions weren’t that great in the first place. On a whim I listened to his interview with Michael Anton (also a retard) and it was bad. Every time I hear Yarvin say something like “the people at Burning Man are nobles”, or that he read John Bolton’s memoir (lmao) and John Bolton was singularly equipped to be effective in Washington, or hear him backtrack when challenged and say the exact opposite of what he just said, it becomes more obvious that Yarvin has never fucked a woman from Burning Man, has probably never understood a history book, and just likes hearing himself talk.
Bow down before me oh ye Plebes.
Well shit.
But no. This life is pointless and leads only to death. It is only the path through God and Jesus Christ that gives man eternal life.
I repent all that I have done and ask God for forgiveness.
1 Timothy 1
15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
The other thing that’s going on with twitter is they’ve almost completely gotten rid of all rightwing commenters. They may be moving onto taking out the larger figures now the posts celebrating such bannings won’t be ratioed. If so, Fuentes will be the first of many.
That’s a good point.
I think they are also keeping on the more respectable right-wingers. Robert Barnes, who is a pretty good legal analyst, was going off about Fuentes today. He is a lawyer, so he is part of the system. He is also under an immense normality bias. He thinks that laws are going to make the 2022 elections safe again and that we all need to unite across racial lines to pass populist programs. As if the gibs and the govjobs are going to be thrown away by the blacks and browns in favor of white supremacy and segregation.
That was not very clear, so to be specific, they will keep on the neocons and anyone supporting ineffective or self-destructive responses. Institutionalists, fednats, people with a stake in keeping the system as it is. Barnes is so hellbent on the American mythos he was talking about rebelling against Musk as a repeat of the Revolutionary War in space. He is not the kind of man to tear down a system if it is beyond saving. He thinks in terms of equality, so he is not a threat. He does not support the red pill on women, so he is no real threat to the system.
Anyone who advocates so called leftist populism is an enemy and probably glows in the dark.
Muh programs are just going to go to nigs illegals and single mothers same as it ever does. BAP did almost a whole show on this.
He is a right-wing populist, but populist before right wing. He is a civil rights lawyer, which is where most of his problems come from. He actually thinks people are equal and that equality is a goal to aim towards. He is quite good at predicting how the legal system works, which is why I listen to him, but his political philosophy is too influenced by his education and profession to be useful. I take his predictions seriously, not his politics.
People like him will be kept around, because while he advocates for fair treatment, they will be making sure they are as unfair as possible. He is not the type to retaliate against his enemies if it is against his principles, so he is guaranteed to lose. He is just the person to allow to stay on social media until the actual purges begin. All light and no heat, so that people can see how they are being destroyed, but not actually fight it effectively. He was against the declaration of martial law like Gen. Flynn wanted, because ‘muh freedumb.’
He sounds like he is fake right wing and glows.
Hes a lawyer, probably lives in the beltway… is he catholic? Fedcath glowie like most of these fake right wing lawyer types.
Like Bannon and Tucker, Barnes is part of the populist light, necessarily stopping short of thought crimes because going farther would get him banned from his revenue streams, but still giving solid pro-Trump political analysis nonetheless. His legal analysis during stop the steal was especially good (even Tucker avoided it).
But unlike Bannon and Tucker, he suddenly punched right at Nick Fuentes after they debated on Israel (which was informative and polite). This leads me to believe Barnes is taking money from Israeli nationalists Jews (like many Republicans) and they gave him the shut it down order. Being populist lite stopping short on thoughtcrimes is fine as long as you don’t punch right at those who don’t stop short which is exactly what Con Inc so it was surprise to see Barnes do the same.
Barnes went on a rant about it today which is what prompted my observation, and his reasoning is equality-based nonsense. Saying mean things about the coloureds, the queers, and the wahmen (not the wahmen!)is his reason for opposing Fuentes. He fails the red pill on women, and the red pill on diversity. He thinks that the kumbaya leftism of yesteryear is possible and desirable. He spent his formative years as a civil rights lawyer standing up for the little guy because of something that happened to his father. He probably sees Fuentes as someone that he spent his life fighting against, not realizing that the people he represented in those civil rights cases will kill him, rape and kill his daughters, and abandon every principle he believes in despite what he did for them.
It is why he will be allowed to stay on these sites. He is not an agent of change. A lawyer is too much a part of the system to be an effective revolutionary. They think in terms of convincing, persuading, and changing the direction of a system. You need a warrior or an engineer that thinks about tearing apart a system and rearranging it or rebuilding it.
Not true, Fidel Castro was a lawyer and an effective revolutionary
Anyway, revolutions are progressive. Changes from the right are called a coup or maybe a putsch. We don’t need a revolutionary
You might be reading too much into it. Because being a political commentator is a full time job for these people they are beholden to their donors. Bannon for instance is funded by a Tawainese billionaire which is why he harps on the CCP so much on his show. Barnes’s content is on Dave Rubin’s site locals, who is a gay Israeli nationalist Jew Ben Shapiro-lite.
Jim’s point of Israeli nationalists being the enemy of our enemy but not necessarily our friends is salient here. It was interesting to note that neocon so called “right-wing†publications were attacking Fuentes most vigorously as a Holocaust denier, white supremacist etc when he announced he was meeting congressman Gosar.
Having said that of course Barnes, Bannon, Tucker, and just about every right wing personality outside of NRx (with the exception of Fuentes) are horribly normalcy biased to not understand Caesarism is the only way forward. It is generational. Every boomercon thinks returning to monarchy is unthinkable just as everyone in the time of Gracchus thought returning to monarchy was unthinkable. If Rome is a barometer, It is going to take another half-generation of Republic dysfunctionality and quite possibly considerable violence for everyone to come around.
>Fidel Castro was a lawyer and an effective revolutionary
Fidel Castro was an effective *leftist*, yes; another data-point against lawyers.
Dick the Butcher in Henry VI had the right idea.
Climate scientists and “public health” types need to go too.
As is every other Constitution loving boomer con. Caesar and Napoleon arrived when just about everyone understood dictatorship was the only acceptable path forward for governing stability, which makes me think young Caesar necessarily must come from the next generation.
So how are Thailand, Philippines, Laos, etc. with COVID? My default assumption is they are more based than the West on most things. They are also more corrupt and susceptible to bribery.
But from what I have heard online and seen in videos they may be falling for the lies more than you would expect. I initially considered paying for a vax “registration” while in one of these countries, and using this as evidence back home that I have already been vaxxed. But now I am not so sure it will work, and how risky it is. If they are true believers in COVID, bribery may not go down well.
@Shorne, Thai news (which I get via sat) talks about covid non-stop. They are obsessed with it worse than the US. Not only do they wear the mask for show, they wear a plastic shield too. Out in the sticks not so much. If you travel to Thailand, you have to be vaxxed and stay quarantined in a hotel for two weeks both.
Also about Thailand, they have a group of college types larping as antifa that are trying to overthrow their King. Which is highly illegal. This group of malcontents are getting their marching orders from US dissidents via twitter.
Thailand should shut off twitter and faceberg in their country and expel the US embassy.
The Media everywhere in the American hegemony is literally an arm of the Cathedral, and of course the governments are vassals who are “persuaded” to enforce their insanity who proceed to double down on it to piously demonstrate their loyalty else they are “democratized” like the Middle East that refuses.
Thailand is afraid that if they shut off twitter and faceberg in their country and expel the US embassy they are going to enjoy a thousand tons of explosives falling down on them and they are not willing to ride that tiger quite yet.
This is fast becoming one of those situations where the crowd obeys the cop because that’s just what you do, not because he can actually do anything to control them. America has no stomach for police actions or maintenance conflicts, only holy wars.
I stayed in my region’s version of Portland for a few weeks. My assessment is that Numbers 31:17-18 will apply at the least, except for a very select few people as per Joshua 6:25. It would most likely be the case for other comparable cities.
Numbers 31
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Joshua 6
25 And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father’s household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel even unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho.
I agree in spirit, but would probably be a bad idea. Restoration versus total anarchy. If, however, we get massive civil war, I can envision permitting my men to kill every adult male in certain cities and take their women.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2021/07/britons-who-crave-permanent-lockdown-are-worst-kind-killjoys
There is a very large % of the population that if we are given the chance we absolutely need to helicopter. 40% of Britbongs want either permanent total lockdown or semi lockdown. All of the “men” among this group should be sent to hell as soon as possible we can’t coexist with them and they are a menance to both the gene pool and our freedom. The women among this group should be auctioned off.
I mean as long as we are consistent with the logic, their females would be carriers too. Sometimes ‘kill the men and take the women’ is also putting pussy on a pedestal.
I’d say sterilize em but from what I’ve read about the effect of the mRNA vax on the body… they probably already are sterile.
Nah, women have no tribe, no country, no larger group identity.
Women cannot resist conforming to the group they are in long term (though I did know one who sort of heldout as a NAWALT with a personality out of the era of I Dream of Jeannie for seriously 10 years)…
There ARE women who if they are horrified by the group they are in (or something that the group they are in has recently done) will try to abandon the group they are in now… they can’t resist the grouphink forever but they do have enough individuality sometimes to try to get out before their thought patterns are indoctrinated completely.
A fact that is true and also not responsive to the point.
>Nah, women have no tribe, no country, no larger group identity.
Are you sure this is true? I seem to remember women from different religions being pretty effective in converting their husbands and children to their faith. And as we know religions are super tribes.
That happens when they are operating in a vacuum, as they commonly are. They are trying to find a tribe for their husband and children. If no vacuum, no problem.
The Mongols had huge problems with their women converting their children, Muslims no problem.
The wife’s faith is merely a shit test for both husband and faith. Which shit test a half dead religion is apt to fail.
As Jim says, women have no beliefs of their own. You do not want to punish women for following along with their men, because then you select for even more troublesome women. Women are operating as they are designed, and it is the men that are the problem. We will need to kill off a decent amount of them anyway, just as how you kill a wild dog even if it is not the dog’s fault the master made it dangerous and unruly.
In a lot of the cities, a Jericho approach is a good idea. On other cities, less so. In the rural areas, almost certainly not. San Francisco and Seattle, for instance, need to be wiped from the face of the earth as was Sodom and Gomorrah. Austin can probably be cleaned up with a general purge of the elite and the queers. I’m not aware of any truly pozzed rural areas that would need more than shooting the few elites that hoped to escape the purge.
It’s interesting to note that rural areas of Maine only voted 40-50% for Trump where as rural areas of the south and midwest voted 70-80% for Trump. My guess it is the deep Puritan influence on New England.
Actually, Maine isn’t all that Puritan. It’s the fucking invaders from the liberal states fleeing to areas they have not yet ruined. It is Massachusettsification, not the locals. A lot of those rural areas are filled with the vacation homes of shitlibs with high paying jobs in another state or who retired and fled the lunacy. I know some people from Maine and they tell me is is largely the Massholes ruining things. They have the same problem of high-trust, very white areas not knowing they are being scammed, but mostly it is transplants metastasizing in their state.
Wouldn’t we also see that same affect in places like Georgia and Pennsylvania, where rich shitlibs from Philadelphia and Georgia buy vacation homes in the rural areas? That doesn’t seem to be the case. It could be the deep Puritan influence of Massachusetts in particular, affecting the neighboring areas, which is unique in that regard.
Philadelphia and Atlanta*
I think it is because there are a lot fewer people in rural Maine. Maybe they are more lefty, but my friends tell me it is mostly because of the influx of liberals. I know it’s not a big state, and it’s close to a few big states.
I know nothing of Maine so I’m sure you are right. Could be that the the elite and upper classes are entirely leftist there in the north whereas the local elite and upper classes buying 2nd homes in the south are still somewhat a mixture of rightists.
I’m from Massachusetts and can confirm that is most of the problem with Maine…
Vermont is the authentic holdout of rural leftism…
I agree with you that those responsible, along with hardcore lockdown promoters should be helicoptered (I feel like I didn’t know what it meant to have a “mortal enemy” before these people showed up). However, also keep in mind that British polls seem to be massively astroturfed and/or designed in such a way as to produce certain answers. Of course this is a problem in the US too, but I’ve noticed recently that it seems especially bad in Britain as a tool of propaganda.
They will change their minds the instant it ceases to be fashionable. Observe that all the people terribly concerned about climate change seem to have lost interest now that it is more fashionable to be terribly concerned about the holy and mighty Covid Demon.
We’re better off without people who so easily can be persuaded to find demon worship fashionable.
That would require us to helicopter just about everyone. It has always proved more effective to control the social order by regulating what is high status from the top.
Just make truth high status, lies low status. Raise kids with an honor code instead of a dishonor code.
A lot of people but definitely not everyone.
“Permanent lockdown” is above & beyond government policy- those who support it are actively engaged in holiness spiraling. Somewhat different from those who just unthinkingly believe power.
“The women among this group should be auctioned off.”
The women are rotten too. They aren’t even worth it as property.
Agreed. Many of those women are mentally ill, have multiple forms of mutilation (piercings, head shaved, tattoos, etc), are out of shape and have some form of STD or other physical illness. The old testament had God routinely told the Israelites to kill off the women and children as well as the men of their enemies. The logic behind that makes sense now. A good chunk of those women are so far gone they are unsalvageable.
Any women who knew a man was the standard. If she laid with such degenerates,, she was tainted. You can get the medics to check for a hymen. No hymen, into the oven. A hymen means she gets sent to the loot tents, to be taken by an officer or bestowed upon a valuable or heroic enlisted man as a reward.
“No hymen, into the oven”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syV2LkGpQB0
No we’re not doing that. Women who are still virgins at 20 tend to be frigid cunts who are either true gold diggers or holding out for general butt naked. Virginity is good for pair bonding but its not natural for women to be virgins 7+ years past puberty.
Women are to some degree NPCs and we need to salvage some bad ones through extreme corrective measures… but I should stress the emphasis should be on salvage.
The implied expectation in Numbers is that ‘women who have not lain with a man’ are very likely going to be the children.
I obviously do not mean we do this nationwide, that would be an extinction-level event. There is no way the men would go along with it anyway. I am not a psycho or a fool, and I would neither give nor follow such an order from anyone short of Jesus Christ, Himself.
If tasked with purging an area such as San Francisco or Seattle, those would be the rules of engagement for that limited geographic area. You want the purge of an area like those to be as brutal and thorough as possible. Even Harvard is less degenerate and would not be subject to that level of extermination. There are just some areas that need to be burned out like a cancer.
All fertile age white women should be spared and married off and impregnated. They are purely NPCs to the dominant religion. The speed at which women went from being feminist whores in Weimar Germany to enthusiastically waving Nazi flags was incredible.
based
In all seriousness, when the ancients mention “virgins†they are not referring to individuals but a class of women who are assumed to have hymens, unmarried women living under their fathers. For example, Saint Jerome laments of virgins who engage in whoredoms detailed in his letter to Eustochium. When God told the Israelites to slay all but the virgins he is not telling them to use doctors to analyze each and every female but to slay all except for the young girls living with their parents.
This distinction has been lost in the West because society has degenerated to the degree that one can no longer assume a young girl living with her parents is a virgin. Even Canaanite societies had clear distinctions between virgins, wives and wayward girls. While the biological purpose of the Biblical prohibitions on incest are related to genetic decay, the broader spiritual meaning of these laws is to establish that girls should grow up in an environment where she is kept a virgin before being married off. This is why scripture mentions lying with a woman and her daughter as lewdness.
According to the various women I knew in college, most lose their virginity at around 13 years of age, and it is rare to find a girl who lost it after 16. Thus any girl above the age of 12 ought to be considered a non-virgin unless proven otherwise. Given the average age of marriage for Jewish women at the time of the conquest of Canaan would be from 10 to 14, this heuristic would not be ahistorically dissimilar.
Not based psychotic, even if Wulfgar didn’t mean it literally that way killing every unmarried non-virgin woman especially retroactively just sounds incredibly psychotic (and I’m normally the one who is psychotic about leftists).
Anyone who doesn’t see this REALLY needs to get laid, those kind of thoughts only come after months of trying to game women and getting nowhere + no sex.
I know this is hard nowadays generally in America but to get it out of your system please see my post on how non chads even spergish ones can easily fuck strippers for often not very much money. Persistent incels who make any kind of decent living need to do this at least once every three months…
Says someone who has advocated numerous times in great detail unironically the liquidation of tens of millions in a way that would make Pol Pot proud. Before calling the kettle black, please extend the same courtesy towards the useful idiots of Leftism that you have for your hookers.
The primary goal of wiping out the Canaanites was not based on race but on demon worship, and sparing the virgins was more an act of mercy. In the ancestral environment, males of Tribe A kill males of Tribe B, discard the unwanted females and take the virgins for themselves. One can look at the siege of Carthage by the Romans or the conquest of Prussia in WW2 as historical examples. The purpose of my post was to illustrate the historical definition of “virgins,†and the understanding of the conquest of Canaan.
Obviously Wulfgar is referring to this ironically. No one wants to gas the Jews, not even those who say they should have been.*
*no, I am not a Holocaust revisionist
My comment covered my views on what has to happen to commies and progs and the awful events of 2020 justify them.
“please extend the same courtesy towards the useful idiots of Leftism that you have for your hookers.”
No and I don’t understand especially after 2020 this strange sympathy for leftists. 2020 proved the futility of trying to coexist with them. Look at Chile and Spain now, that is what happens if you don’t implement a Suharto solution. Also why should I extend the soft spot I have to a group that makes clown world bearable to a group that is a huge cause of the problem.
If you put some criteria, you can find a virgin over 16 (or whatever your “age of consent”) with some effort and luck. Yes, girls living with their parents are more likely to be virgins even now. As well as girls who study well, from a complete family, socially “unsuccessful” and autistic, not from the city, do not undress too much when going out on the streets and do not have completely fallen whores in their environment.
Careful discernment of individuals in collective and often messy mass-murder type scenarios is not feasible, thus any mercy policy must be clear; for example, kill everyone except for the young girls. There is nothing wrong with falling in love with a hooker and sparing her from a fall-of-Carthage type situation if he can prevent her from lying with other men. However, one who advocates for democide does not have the right to wave his blood-stained finger at others who are not as merciful to the non-virgins. Calling said democide “psychotic†when it involves hookers comes across as the words of a coward who talks big but lacks the guts to kill.
As a disclaimer, my preferred solution would be to enshrine Christianity as the official state religion and deny legal, economic and social rights to Progressives, with the FBI-equivalent secret police extrajudicially hunting down any meaningful resistance. The transition would be handled similar to a reverse Nuremberg (with helicopters!) and Denazification. Any Cominator-type democide is out of touch with reality, but given the absolute success of the handling of postwar Germany this less-bloody solution would be sufficient provided the secret police does what is necessary to keep the peace.
The problem lies with the parents. Homeschooled girls are best, but parents have a tendency to homeschool not as a religious education but as “school at home,†after which they send her off to whore school.
Although I must be vague for legal reasons, girls in Leftist areas are nicest between 10 and 12 years of age, and would make good wives would it not be for their Progressive parents. You want a girl over 16 because you can separate her from her parents without going to jail.
Yes, modern parents would rather send their daughter to a brothel than let her find a worthy husband. If we discard the age limits set by the state, then we have two ways: either we are looking for sane parents (which will be difficult, given the level of hysteria in society on this topic) with a suitable girl, we get to know the father and only then we deal with the girl, or we find girl, seduce her, and wait for the opportunity to inform her parents without risk and take her to home.
The first is more secure, the second allows you to consider a larger number of candidates in the same time.
That’s going to leave a lot men without women. God told the Israelites that, but it doesn’t appear to have been followed. One should only give orders that you know will be obeyed.
Yes and no. It’s been my experience that highly attractive “Barbie bimbo” type women, who often have tattoos and piercings these days, are quite anti-feminist and many are openly right-wing. They are a different breed than the fat and ugly bald and pierced types.
The bimbo types have rightly recognized feminism as a method for ugly, unattractive women to disadvantage attractive feminine women in the mating game. The body modification is a subconscious signal that they want a strong man – I will do whatever it takes to look sexy in order to attract someone who will own me.
If you’re on the market in 21st c. America, take a tattooed and pierced bimbo over virtually any college-educated girl, full stop. It’s easier to remove the piercings and laser off the tattoos than to undo the brainwashing.
Easier said than done. A non-college educated girl is not merely not brainwashed by college shitlibery, she is of the peasant/pleb class. A peasant girl is going to require a different type of manliness and masculinity than that of a upper middle class college girl. As a college man myself, I always felt more comfortable around women (and their friends and families) of my class, of which plenty are attractive. Not to mention the added benefit of higher IQ offspring. The brainwashing tampers down the more you take ownership and surround her with other well behaving wives and girlfriends. All acting out by women is an attempt to force ownership by a strong man backed by a strong tribe.
It certainly is easier said than done. But it CAN be done. I used to date Ivy League educated types that I met in college and work, but gave it up in my late 20s to follow the bimbo strategy. Best decision I ever made. They aren’t all peasant class and they aren’t all stupid. I’ve known and dated several with genius IQs.
Have you succeeded in taking ownership of and surrounding your upper-middle-class woman with well-behaving wives and girlfriends also in the upper middle class circles? If so, I salute you.
With all the upper middle class people I interact with, the men are virtually always weak and the women are not well behaved. Introducing a woman into that circle is just destructive. I’ve cultivated friends outside my social class for this reason.
Women love a man they are afraid of. They will become good woman if their owner has sufficient authority. Female misconduct is always a shit test. Women misbehave to be abducted by a strong man into a strong tribe. They are looking for the ancestral environment of successful reproduction, and not finding it anywhere.
Then you are responsible for such places.
howdy brothers
i was reading, i think, Luke in my 1611 KJV. i am not certain the passage yet Iesus says to “…do violence to no man.” i am not certain it is the same Book wherein he tells Do Not Kill.
i am confused about how to understand these utterances of the Sonne of God in relation to what seems needs be done to cull the wicked from amongst us. are we to “…wait on the LORD?” as it reads elsewhere in the Good Book?
i would appreciate some advice on how to square these pieces with the rest.
Ingroup vs outgroup. Jesus also commanded his disciples to gather swords and sell their clothes if needed to obtain them. Turning the cheek to a slap is a way of ensuring harmony in the ingroup. Retaliation only after you have confirmed that the man is your enemy. Ingroup gets the forgiving, cooperative treatment focused on in the New Testemant. Outgroup gets the Old Testemant slaughter and vengeance for which it is famous.
Keep in mind that God was always a forgiving and patient God, even in the Old Testament. Jesus came to fulfill the law, not to abolish it. The vengeance of God is just as much a part of Him as is the forgiveness Jesus espoused.
Romans were the outgroup, so Jesus could join Bar Kohba?
Christendom has been struggling with this issue for two millennia, and the answer is just war theory.
I disagree with some of my more bloodthirsty commenters, but is clear that the scale of killing required to halt a left singularity rises the closer it gets to the singularity. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do.
The resistance in the Vendee, and the successful resistance in both of the Spanish wars, was an unarguably just war.
Christians are required to turn the other cheek and walk the extra mile. But a Christian only has two cheeks, and is not required to walk unlimited miles.
Christians are required to display forgiveness and generosity in victory. But that does not require Christians to allow the enemy to endlessly surrender and unsurrender. Sometimes you just have to kill them all and let God sort them out, and good Christians with great regularity did so.
Charles the second’s approach to Havel’s Greengrocer was correct, but letting those who were not Havel’s Greengrocer depart to America turned out to be a very bad idea in the long run.
I’m more merciful than you when it comes to regular human failings or such as bad luck that even people who are not all bad can experience… fucking around should catch a severe beating and public humiliation but death…
Bastard children probably aren’t going to have a good time of it but you don’t need to treat them the way the Catholic Church did (and no they were never universally treated that badly in the Protestant world, though they could be if they got unlucky) we will simply make sure there are very few of them…
But willful demon worshippers I say no mercy. Reading the Gospels Jesus was the same way, he cut some slack to ordinary low level sinners but was uncompromisingly hostile to religious authorities and followers that had purity spiraled some things (and not others) into a form of demon worship. I’m inclined to agree with his moral philosophy.
i appreciate this.
for further clarity, are we assuming Iesus was referring to the in-group also when he said to Love Your Enemies and Do Good To Them That Hate You?
for example, Wulfgar, once you’ve confirmed that a man or group is your enemy, like you say, how does one properly retaliate? as in, how would you retaliate in such a manner that you fulfill the Love Your Enemies rule?
is it that it is loving to destroy the wicked over allowing them to further damn themselves?
thanks for your attentions
See my post “How to genocide inferior kinds in a properly Christian manner.
We are obligated to love our neighbor. Which is not everyone, but nonetheless still sounds potentially suicidal.
This question is adequately dealt with by the parable of the good Samaritan, which parable gets holiness spiraled to say the opposite of what it is in fact saying.
The parable answers the question as follows: The priest and the levite were geographically neighbors, but the man set upon by thieves was not required to love them, because they failed to act in a neighborly fashion. He is required to love the good samaritan, because the good samaritan, though not geographically a neighbor, did act in a neighborly fashion. But not required to love all those other Samaritans.
So what do you make of “Love your enemy”? The hidden implication seems to be, as most churchians of today would claim, that it means “your enemy is not your enemy”, which is clearly not what Christ meant.
And if you’re going for a holiness signifier in Iesus, why not Yeshua? Or just Jesus, so we ordinary folk could think that maybe you are one of us?
Without an enemy, you are nothing. Enemies are what separates us from algae. Love your enemy, because he teaches you how to overcome him, which in the end teaches you everything.
And never have no enemies – or you can’t love them.
The bible makes the distinction between hostis and inimicus- hostis is an external enemy, someone at war against your ingroup, and inimicus is a member of your community who you are on bad terms with, in the sense of a neighbor’s dispute or clan feud. When Jesus says love your enemy, he is talking about members of the ingroup who you are on bad terms with, not the slavering enemy at your gates.
this is the distinction i was seeking; thank you
i put Iesus as Jesus because Iesus is how it is in the 1611 KJV and that’s what i was sourcing my question from.
i’m no holier than anybody else and even if i was, how would i know it
Well that is how it was spelt in 1611, but there is a tendency among people pushing a replacement religion to decorate themselves with random meaningless out of context fragments of the old.
point taken
Perhaps you would like to spend a few months on the front lines, Jim.
Green line signalling bullshit.
Fuck off shill.
Censored for continuing to impose your own unrecognizably different meaning on other people’s words.
Not a legitimate form of debate.
You sound like a Soros shill.
Time for the Soros shill test (Some shills can pass this test, but it used to work against obvious Soros shills)
How did Soros get his money, what bad things is he doing in the USA, and what bad things has he been doing abroad.
Hey Jim,
As a guy who’s been programming since probably before I was born, what do you think is the most based programming paradigm? Functional? Object-oriented? I’m pretty sure you have spoken a fair bit before about template metaprogramming – not that I properly understand what that is.
I have had plenty of programming experience over the years, though usually fairly small scale things, just throwing together scripts when needed. I think I have a good grasp of a lot of concepts, intuitively, but very little of the formal/theoretical side of things. I know Moldbug has written about how useless CS research is, and I’m sure you would have similar thoughts given what you have said about apprenticeship.
But I assume, as an example, a good theoretical knowledge of algorithms complexity is crucial to be a “proper” programmer. Where do I go from here to become an actually good programmer? What kinds of things are worth the time investment, and what is BS?
Perhaps a better way to summarize my question would be: if your sons were in their late teens again, how and what would you be teaching them to program with.
Rust and Javascript.
Object oriented has been largely obsoleted by template metaprogramming.
structs and unions are best understood as multiplicative and additive types, rather than understood and used through the object paradigm. I don’t think I have ever used objects in an object oriented manner.
Template programming was an accident, never intended as a programming language. It is thus the world’s worst language that is actually used for useful purposes. One day people noticed that they could metaprogram using templates, but they were never designed or intended for this usage. Rust macros, on the other hand, were designed from the beginning for this purpose.
Rust is what you get if you redesign C++ from scratch, knowing what we now know, and abandoning backward compatibility with C. Rust is C++ without the legacy of C weighing it down, and the legacy of object orientation weighing it down.
Thanks for the reply, appreciate it.
By not being backward-compatible with C, Rust forces us to rewrite existing code from scratch, which is something you’ve told us never to do.
No it does not. You can call C code from Rust.
And should do so if there is existing C code, and not corresponding existing Rust code.
When you have a working program and unit test, you might do maintenance on the C part of that program by doing the updates in Rust.
Rust is C++ unencumbered by the legacy of object orientation and C compatibility.
One defect of Rust is that its macro language, though vastly more intelligible and easier to write than C++ template metaprogramming, is less powerful than template metaprogramming, precisely because templates were never intended or designed to be a Turing complete language. C++ metaprogramming is a collection of weird unobvious hacks gaming the language rules in ways they were never intended or designed to be used. It is in this sense a much lower level metalanguage than Rust macros, and thus more powerful. Also hideously programmer hostile.
The rust macro language is immature, ad hoc, overly complex, and keeps changing. They need a bottom level foundation, and build higher level macro language constructs on top of that.
(On reading the documentation, looks like they have that now. The third kind of macro looks arbitrarily powerful, but I have not used it yet.)
Was it wrong to kill Caesar? It’s necessary for any regime or constitution to kill those who ignore its rules to usurp power, just as it is right to resist conquest. But conquest or usurpation can be good if they replace a sick regime with a healthy one.
It is possible to for good men to find themselves as mortal enemies due to circumstance, which can only be seen as a tragedy. What is the way to minimize this, and ensure that any seizing or power is ‘benevolent’ towards the nation, rather than just self-interested?
The corrupt unvirtuous elite, like our current elite, who killed Caesar were not good men. Caesar decided to have them spared when he took power in order to make peace with the old regime with disasterous results for himself. Augustus did not make that same mistake.
This is precisely why the Cominator Plan needs to be implemented at the top of the government. The lower echelons can get their pensions, but all the men at the top need to be killed alongside their sons and grandsons if they have any. Leave no competing elite intact and operable once the fight for the throne goes hot. As fake and gay as Martin’s Game of Thrones series was, the line, “In the game of thrones, you win or you die,” needs to be at the forefront of our minds.
Hard to argue against it. History shows us that an entrenched old elite are not going to simply go away quietly and peacefully. They are going to violently resist as they have much to lose.
Back on topic, the Taliban just sent an ambassador to Moscow, officially to promise Putin that they will respect Afghanistans borders, but it sounds like the Taliban has all but won. I expect they will wait to march into Kabul until a few hours after the US has left.
What is odd to me is that our media is not screeching about needing troop buildups and a renewal of war. I am kind of surprised that right now is when they decided to just drop the issue and slink out.
The Taliban have ambassadors now? They are moving up in the world. Kicking the “foremost superpower’s” ass must be good for the resume.
I think China banning faggots and building 120 new nuke silos are related. China’s not going to kowtow to cathedral in anyway going forward.
https://twitter.com/Xongkuro/status/1412437644596940808
The big question is will the war faction push us into a war with China?
Few in the service of the great powers have taken the time to understand even the most recent and relevant Afghan history, so have gone in where angels and devils alike fear to tread and been defeated.
Abdur Rahman Khan in the 1880s and ’90s was the only man to really rule Afghanistan, in the only way it could be done, with an iron fist. It was he who snookered the British into agreeing to the Durand Line, which put the most ungovernable of the Pashtuns on the Indian side of the border, making them the British’s problem. This area, known variously as the North-West Frontier, Khyber, Pakhtunkhwa, and lately officially the “Khyber Pakhtunkhwa” district of Pakistan is still only nominally governed by Pakistan, and is a primary root the ungovernability of Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Abdur Rahman Khan was more ruthless than Stalin and more cunning than than Mao. He wrote a rather frank autobiography in two volumes shortly before his death.
His death, however, was followed by the usual bloody and brutal fratricide, from which another strong King, and rather more virtuous King, eventually arose.
Afghanistan can only be ruled by horrifying methods, but is in dire need of the elite virtue that Islam is unsuccessful in cultivating.
Afghanistan is the crossroads of Asia, and that is its primary asset. A ruler is likely to be unsuccessful in taxing the peasants. The model of successful governance in Afghanistan is a light tax on goods going in and goods going out, safety on the major roads passing through, and order in the towns on the major roads. When a merchant on those roads gets shaken down or robbed, the King has a chat with the lord of the area where the robbers came from or through. If he does not like the outcome of that chat, he kills the lord. If that does not work, he kills a bunch of people. If that does not work, kills all the men, every male child, and takes the women.
He had good reasons for his arrangement of his succession, which he lays out at the start of vol. 2. There really wasn’t a path that would have ensured success, given there had never been a peaceful succession of power in Afghanistan, at least that held together for more than a very short time.
Abdur Rahman was the first stationary bandit of Afghanistan. He had only 20 years to work. Mobile banditry was stopped cold immediately, the roads were safe for almost the first time. Five years into his reign, he could only find three clerks in the country who knew how to read and write their own language. Ten years after that, he had financed out of his own official banditry many then-modern factories not only for all the needs of war such as gunsmithing, machining, cartridge-making, primer-making, spyglasses, heliostats, but also for soap, candles, tanning, leatherwork, printing, distilling, weaving, sewing, etc. etc. at a cost of millions of rupees (1 rupee = 12-18 USD 2020). Much of the early work, especially the gun work was personally directed by him (he was a gunsmith from a boy, made his own rifles with little more than files, and had a lifelong interest in engineering.) He even had some electricity and telephones. (much of vol. 2 is about all that, as well as stopping corruption, setting up administration, etc.)
Mere trade wasn’t going to be enough, he lays out the economic and military reasons for his course.
He really was a universal genius, especially considering he did all that while holding off the British and the Russians, and after a remarkable career as a military commander detailed in volume 1 which reads like an adventure novel.
I understand that history has shown Islam is unsuccessful at cultivating a long lasting successful elite, and that it cannot be cooperated with. Have you, or anyone else, ever laid out specifically what might be the cause of that? Is it just the people that adhere to Islam are deficient, or is it something to do with the religion itself?
Absolutely unambiguous that is the religion itself, which not only straightforwardly mandates defection against outsiders, but encourages defection against insiders.
There is also the problem that Mohamed prescribes that all the sons of the ruler, even the son of a slave, get equal crack at becoming the ruler. Disaster ensues, and you get fratricide and palice intrigue, and the palace intrigue is apt to result in rule by women.
The appearance (or reappearance) of several new names each united in a concerted effort to purge dharmaposters from Blog dot Jim dot Com is kinda suspicious.
Now im not saying it’s aliens, but, im not saying it’s not aliens, either.
Hahahahaha!
There is plenty of Humour on a blog that discusses deadly serious topics otherwise.
Starting a new comment cluster because I feel that this is an important discussion that occurred in the long tail of a tangential comment. Chrysostom wrote a particularly elegant piece that you should read in its entirety down below, and I apologize if my summary is inferior or misleading. Here is the summary:
Every major 21st century society has a shared problem: critical shortages of Tradition.
How do you solve a tradition shortage when there seems to be so many different traditions to choose from?
With so many Traditions, it should be trivial to adopt one, convert to one, or be born into one. But we see that it isn’t trivial.
“A tradition lives and breathes through its exponents; if there is a shortage of exponents, then you have a shortage of Tradition.â€
The problem is Atomization. A man cannot grow roots with other men. From birth, he is isolated and rootless, being shuffled through family, education, socialization, indoctrination, and categorization. Meaningful communication and development is obviated to the point that all men are trapped in an eternal “searching for connection†stage with no common tongue for connection and growth.
This common tongue for connection and growth exists. It is contained in the Canon of Man just waiting to be internalized and deployed. “Echoes of the worlds that were, reaching through time, to tangle with the future.†The vitalization of Tradition. Yet we remain divided and constrained. Beings acting in apparent ignorance of Divine Law and further, in ignorance of this ignorance.
“One must not mistake the flowers of thought for the roots that produce them.â€
The men of today are not reading the rules, and those that do don’t understand them, and those that could decide not to understand them. Most men don’t know where to look for the rules or even think there are rules. Those that happen upon them are contaminated with “anti-pattern memetic hazards,†a sickness of which they are unaware, and fail to derive anything valuable from the interaction.
The modern condition of a man is failed coordination with coordination incapable men.
But where is this law, this common tongue?
Thus sayeth Jim:
Natural Law Position: right conduct is pursuit of individual self-interest with cooperation.
Dark Enlightenment Position: law is the self-imposed rules of the group, and the primary law is survival.
Christian Position: law is the spirit and intent of the Ten Commandments.
NLP, DEP, and CP seem to yield the same results, but NLP acknowledges yet fails to address non-trivial attainment of cooperate/cooperate equilibrium, DEP has adherents that bridle at the inclusion of the CP, and it is hard to establish cooperation identification, persuasion of intent to cooperate, and deciding what constitutes cooperation.
The object of any rightful magisterium, rightful exponents of Perennial Tradition, naturally is not merely to list precepts, but, to the extent such are able, and to the extent such is possible, elucidate why they are so.
One of the most adroit manners folk accomplish this is through their narratives; where the ways of God, coherence with, and violations thereof, are all neatly demonstrated through the fruits of actions. The power of imagination is to make simulacrums that can die in your place. The poet channels divinity through his muse…
This calls back to an older debate in the reactosphere in yesteryears, which passed through this blog as well; which of course is a reprisal of a very old and recurrent dynamic: ‘we dont need to over complicate this stuff, all we need to do is just outline the rules and have at it’. But, of course, we have in fact always and already had such outlines; and yet, never the less, we find ourselves…
You know how the saying goes: first as tragedy, then as farce. For everything you know that ‘goes without saying’, the next generation won’t get the joke.
“The goal of the organized wise is to list the precepts and adequately support them so that they are self-evident.
The simplest way to do so is through accessable parables. Metaphor and analog create space for constructive understanding of failings.
The trap we fall into is leaving the obvious unspoken. Unspoken is unknown, forever lost to those that follow.â€
We need Laws. Plainly stated, easily translated. Crafted by the Good and Strong so that the Damaged and Struggling don’t have to remain useful idiots of the demon world order.
“…the great questions of the day will not be settled by speeches or majority votes….but by blood and iron.” -Bismarck
violence has settled more questions and disputes than any force in history. i suspect the issues raised here will sort themselves once we regain a free hand to do so.
Respectfully, I think this line of thinking guarantees that these issues will persist as a problem.
To solve issues through blood and iron presupposes a group with strong internal cohesion confident in its own righteousness.
It is not a substitute for such a group, nor a way of forming such a group.
how else does one form a group of such bonds?
By sharing a religion that tells every member of the religious community to cooperate with all other members.
Bismarck was the STATE.
He could say such things because he had the Prussian Army and Generals like Moltke the Elder at his disposal.
More importantly, he could do such things because he was the state.
Precisely.
The Junker scion symbolized ‘official power’ during those days.
‘The Taliban exists because Pakistan sponsors it.’
No. I do not think it is that simple.
The Taliban exists because non-Taliban Pashtun mobilization have been in a state of paralysis.
As long as the Central Asian ethnicities were under Tsarist and later Soviet control, the Pashtun rulers in Afghanistan found no domestic challengers to their hegemony. But the moment these Central Asian peoples gained a breather, their co-ethnics across the Amu Darya gained the confidence to resist Kabul.
Without the numerical strength of the Pashtuns of Pakistan, which is more than the combined population of Afghanistan, Kabul found it difficult to assert a Pashtun Identity on the rest of the country.
If the Afghan Pashtuns undermine the Durand line to cultivate cross border Pashtuns, Tajiks and Uzbeks will likewise send an SOS to their cross border brethren living in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, thereby dissolving the very entity known as ‘Afghanistan’.
On the other hand, if they desist and accept the line as a sovereign border between two sovereign countries then owing to their minority position, the Pashtuns will have to ultimately surrender its cultural monopoly over Afghanistan.
I think Taliban perfectly understand this dilemma.
They know that, today, only Islam ensures the sovereign existence of Afghanistan and, therefore, they have an ideology which is straightforward, airtight, and tactically do not lay too much emphasis on their Pashtun character.
Let’s see how the pieces move on this Khorasanian chessboard.
Hank Crumpton maintains that the Taliban made a point of offing some northern warlord with widespread influence in proximity to the 911 attack. I’ve read elsewhere that the Agency had a very quiet, very successful infrastructure for intel/material support in a few of the -stans during and subsequent to the CIA fireworks show in 2001/2002. The Soviet Union was like a heavy blanket, smothering nationalist and tribalist feuds and aspirations. Do you see a potential Uzbek rise as possible? If the major powers get tied up on the water (Twilight War in the Baltic, Trade war in the South China Sea, Culture War in the Western Hemisphere), there isn’t much to stop the accretion of neo-Mongol league in central Asia. Probably wishful thinking, but if any ethno-tribal-cultural-linguistic group were going to rapidly deploy a successful patriarchal monarchy, it’s probably them.
My gut feeling would be not to have too high expectations of the region (my, but you can find all sorts of folk passing through here, can’t you?).
Communist russia, as a creation of modernity, naturally conducted it’s affairds like a modern regime; which is to say, the displacement of any incumbent social superstructures that provide Order, and replacement with, nothing at all, or, active enforcement of chaos (which in many ways could not even exist without it; perversely ordered engines, tuned for production of entropy), scattering any potential outbreaks of Order (which might threaten it).
The fractiousness is almost ‘baked in’ at this point. Kind of like the balkans. (Also an area frequently and alternately run over by islamic and non-islamic armies over the centuries. Coincidence?)
Consider the following:
https://youtu.be/v4xZUr0BEfE
It’s just a silly song. But if you read the lyrics, there’s a lot of legit thoughtcrime. If the global order continues to decay, silly songs may become the anthems of future conquerors. Wishful thinking, most likely.
What a coincidence, i happen to be a fan of throat singing myself.
Mongolians are a cowboy nation, and hence have been based for a long time – though much of their national vitality was lost in the trap of imperium. If there is ever such a thing as a ‘pan-stani-stan’, it is likely they would be a, or the, dominant party behind it.
More likely though, all the great powers around the region (China, Russia, et all), will continue shuffling the central asian chessboard through the foreseeable future, as has ever been the case in history.
“Do you see a potential Uzbek rise as possible?”
I think the Taliban, by coming to an understanding with Iran, has for the time being outmaneuvered any Central Asian Turkic resurgence at the expense of Afghanistan.
An Uzbek resurgence would mean a severe ethnocultural clash with non-Turkic Tajiks, Hazaras (although they are a Mongoloid race yet culturally they have been Persianized), Pashtuns, etc., not to mention those ‘Uzbeks’ who live in Uzbekistan but see themselves as part of a Persianized world.
“There is a great deal that is very wrong with Mohammedanism. But there are only two live faiths in power Progressivism and Islam. And as progressivism becomes ever more self-destructive, it is losing to Islam.”
Islam has been the only ‘living faith’ because it is innate and natural, and not historical.
“Or perhaps there is a third. Orthodox Christianity. Let us pay our respects to Putin, Tsar of all the Russias.”
Indeed, other than Islam it is the Orthodox tradition that has the capacity to push back against the Satanic tide of progressivism.
This is an accurate assessment. Muhammad re-directed Sons of Ishmael into worshipping the Old God of their Father, the Old God of Ibrahim, who lay asleep in the desert while Ishmaelites were corrupted. Islam is indeed natural for Ishmaelites. Of the Christians who realised this, the closest to reality were Templars who interacted with Arabs/Saracens on a daily basis. They dubbed the powerful spiritual force “Baphomet,” who is a Eudaemon for Ishmaelites (and a Cacodaemon for everyone else).
There is no hope for Orthodoxy. Yes, there is still a possibility that there will be a turn in the right direction, it will become alive, but we cannot build our future on such a fragile foundation. We ourselves must create a social structure for our grandchildren, and not wait for a gift from a kleptocratic anti-people state. Miracles are rare.
The option of building your own cult looks more tempting. First, being the head of a sect is cool. Secondly, the main problems of modern Orthodoxy can be solved. Membership should be expensive (due to suvorian rules), and the punishment for breaking the rules should be painful (most Christians abuse forgiveness). There should be no single mothers or foreigners in our Church. Ideally, it can be arranged so that marriage is only possible with members of the cult. This is the path to the healthy tribe with patriarchy that people need so much.
That is the path to getting Wacoed.
To avoid being Wacoed we would have to make compromises that would fatally flaw us when the time came.
As an individual, I can fly below the radar. If I start building a tribe where a lot of individuals back each other up in doing what I am doing, would attract attention.
Now is not the time for martyrs.
Do you think it is possible to build a tribe in secret, like a crime-family? As long as the tribe is secret, it can’t get Wacoed.
Soros estas mia samideano. Develop a conlang like Klingon or Esperanto.
Tolkien elvish could also work. Good cover too because no one actually likes fantasy nerds, they just pretend to.
I am deeply wounded by this painfully true statement
The expectation of the Resurrection of Orthodoxy is also associated with certain compromises. It is not necessary to be a martyr, but it is necessary to provide distant descendants with protection from psiop attacks.
by what signs will we know has come the time for martyrs?
When Stalin has let the state religion hollow out, and his successors are still willing to suppress competing faiths, but unable to do so competently and consistently, and have no official faith that can compete with unofficial faiths. When that time comes, martyrdom will work.
That sounds reasonable, but one of the very few (perhaps the only) competing faith to the state religion in Western Europe is Islam.
Your phrase of government officials “willing to suppress competing faiths, but unable to do so competently and consistently, and have no official faith that can compete with unofficial faiths”, is a pretty good description of the situation in Germany with respect to Islam.
Maybe we are already in a situation where martyrdom would work for Islam
> Xi Thought is dead. He is trying to bring it to life with a controlled infusion of old type Marxism, which in sufficient dose will destroy the Chinese economy and cause scientific and technological stagnation, but no dose is going to revive the Chinese state religion.
Please flesh this out if you would (anybody) so that I can see what you see. To start, I wish I better understood what the Chinese state religion even once was.
I think my puzzlement stems from my stereotype of Chinese people as hyper-conformist autistic-spectrum bug-people grinds (if I can hyperbolize for effect). When I look at Chinese history and culture (or the visible pop artifacts therefrom at least) I see all kinds of cryptic and flowery hocus-pocus, but I don’t see “religion” there, as I understand the word anyway.
But I can also grasp that wherever there’s a need to conform, and topics that everyone just knows not to talk about, well that’s a religion.
You’ve also been very clear about that Seven Kill Stele thing. That was religion too.
It just looks so comical and spergy and dumb to me that I must not be seeing the real thing, but rather what I want to see, a caricature that makes me feel better about myself.
Marxism which Chinese characteristics I believe is the official state religion of the CCP. The problem is no one really believes in Marxism there anymore.
I have trouble imagining that Chinese people ever believed in Marxism in the first place, and instead just believed whatever they had to believe to avoid eating broken glass at gunpoint in front of their neighbors.
‘CCP’ today is a racialist vanguard of the Han people, the largest ethnic group in the world.
The Han people worship themselves.
That’s a lot better than worshipping the unholy trinity of equality, feminism, and democracy.
Indeed.
So the next logical step for the fed is creating a FedCoin digital dollar so they can bypass the central banks completely and have direct control of the fiat dollar. Jim, what do you think this means for crypto if anything? Would they have incentive to outright ban crypto instead of merely regulating it?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/fed-officials-are-starting-to-explain-how-fedcoin-might-work-11624641404
> So the next logical step for the fed is creating a FedCoin digital dollar so they can bypass the central banks completely and have direct control of the fiat dollar.
What the heck is this even about? Am I stupid? Is that it?
What control over the regular US dollar does the Federal Reserve not have now?
Is this so they can print UBI directly into people’s pockets, according to social security number and social credit score, without even bothering with their bank accounts at all? Isn’t that what EBT cards are for?
Oh I see. Now they can cyber-pandemic the banks down, build back better, everyone loses their savings and can only buy Biden’s Own Bug Tendies at Walmart until their iPhone hears them say “ni##er” in their sleep. Fucking fantastic.
They are printing endless dollars but it still must go through the central banks. If the banks don’t loan the money out the extra cash just sits in their reserves which is actually a deflationary pressure to the system which the elites want to avoid at all costs.
Yes exactly this. They can also force spending by having the funds expire if the funds are not spent after a certain amount of time. As an added bonus blacks can also get loans directly from the fed and bypass the banks completely.
screwed up the 2nd blockquote
Tom Luongo, of the “Gold Goats ‘n Guns” blog, has written extensively about this.
According to Mr. Luongo, the end-game scheme of Davos-crew international-commie global central banks, particularly European central banks, is to cut out primary-dealer commercial banks from government money-printing operations. Commercial banks simply are no longer needed and just get in the way of the central banks. In support of his argument, Luongo points out that firms such as Blackrock can now borrow effectively zero-interest-rate money directly from the Federal Reserve.
Fed Coin may be part of the plan to eliminate the commercial banks.
I’m just a fly on the wall; see Luongo’s Great Reset series for more details.
“According to Mr. Luongo, the end-game scheme of Davos-crew international-commie global central banks, particularly European central banks, is to cut out primary-dealer commercial banks from government money-printing operations.”
That would be fine with us, the problem with Fedcoin is the mark of the beast aspects of it.
It would also pump inflation into Weimar territory as they could just instantly push out dollars to blacks and hispanics in the form of loans to their hearts desire with no motive to ever get paid back.
That is not in the cards short term…
@Anon
“This includes Nick Fuentes, who is a retarded e-celeb: no functional difference between Fuentes and Ben Shapiro.â€
This is the most deranged and dishonest statement I have ever seen on this blog. Fuentes fundamentally believes the same things Jim does.
Yeah that comment didn’t even diginify a response. He called Fuentes, Yarvin, and basically everyone on the right a Shapiro shill lmao. Stopped reading it after that.
Is “Nick Fuentes” a pseudonym?
I think that’s his real name.
Namefag constraints apply. Just because you like him doesn’t make him any less of an eCeleb.
Are you a hunting type of guy or a fishing type of guy?
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“The goal of the organized wise is to list the precepts and adequately support them so that they are self-evident.
The simplest way to do so is through accessable parables. Metaphor and analog create space for constructive understanding of failings.
The trap we fall into is leaving the obvious unspoken. Unspoken is unknown, forever lost to those that follow.â€
We need Laws. Plainly stated, easily translated. Crafted by the Good and Strong so that the Damaged and Struggling don’t have to remain useful idiots of the demon world order.
Nick Fuentes is a good man. Attacking him like this when you clearly do not know him, in contradiction to commenters who do know him is very dumb and emotional behavior. I do not understand what motivates people like you to do that. Envy? Desire to make yourself look cooler? Does Fuentes trigger some insecurity?
I cannot even debunk your criticism because it has no substance. Nick is an eCeleb. Trump is an eCeleb. Jim is an eCeleb. Mencius Moldbug is an eCeleb. Every notable person is an eCeleb because 1. they are notable and 2. the internet exists. It is not a real criticism. Everyone is bad unless no one has heard of them? That makes no sense. It is a paper thin justification for you to bite the ankles of anyone more significant than you. That attitude prevents any coordination and that makes it a recipe for failure.
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I think Fuentes recent mass deplatforming erases any doubt that hes a fed or shill.
From what I hear he talks papist and anti-zionist though (yes of course aid should be cut and we shouldn’t fight their proxy wars) and he should drop both though.
I did not call “everyone on the right a Shapiro shill”. I said Fuentes is functionally no different than Shapiro, or he probably would’ve been banned sooner. As far as I can tell they don’t let anyone who has anything interesting to say stay on Twitter for long, and I’ve never seen Fuentes say anything particularly interesting. I’m genuinely asking: what has he done other than take credit for anonymous shitposters?
As for Yarvin, I’ve repeatedly and consistently said that he sometimes had interesting insights when writing as Moldbug, mostly book recommendations that I may not have heard if I hadn’t read him, but his newer content under is own name is not good, especially the podcast stuff.
Your lies are getting so ridiculous that they are not even worth responding to. You sound like a divide and conquer shill.
People who agree that facefags are at best useless and at worst draw unecessary attention, and that Yarvin’s post-dox output is significantly worse than when he was writing as Moldbug: me, Jim, Spandrell, Alrenous, the list goes on
People that disagree: some guy named “linker” who has not been posting here since 2010
Jim does not agree with that statement because it it retarded. I guess Trump and Alexander the Great are both “at best useless” because people saw their faces.
Imagine saying that every person that has ever existed is “useless” except anonymous writers. What a dumb thing to say. And to boldly declare that Jim and Spandrell would agree with it. You are sperging out because you want to win the argument. You are so emotional that you have lost the ability to say things that make even a tiny bit of sense.
Under present circumstances, every person who has an identity vulnerable to attack is useless.
When Moldbug was doxed, his output turned to crap.
I and spandrel both say: Namefags cannot speak the truth.
The counterfaith must have empirical and verifiable truth as its central value. Our enemy’s faith is built on lies about this world, so that speaking the truth is intolerably dangerous.
Not seeing that. Trump was not useless. Obviously, non-anons are not going to say anything groundbreaking as they cannot say the whole truth but they can say some of the truth and draw a crowd in real life. There is some value to that. The fact that both Trump and Fuentes are both banned on everything indicates they are saying some of the truth.
The point I’m making, which you are clearly too low IQ to understand, is that internet pundit facefags like your favorite e-celeb Nick Fuentes are useless, not Trump. Trump could have potentially done something useful, IE drop term limits and expand his power, but didn’t, and you can’t really blame him for that since his inability to do so was baked into the cake of the American government structure.
What is the utility of Nick Fuentes, other than making videos of himself doing Holocaust cookie jokes and telling young people to self-dox by going to Groyper conventions? I’m told it’s to “put rightward pressure on Republicans”, something that has never been successful in the entire history of the Republican party. Did I accidently stumble onto conservative Twitter when I meant to post on Jim blog, where the consensus has generally been, for the entire time the blog has been up, that saying things like “we need to put rightward pressure on the Republican party” is dumb as shit?
That’s nice, but it’s a far more modulated and reasonable sounding way of putting it than your actual rhetoric. There is no point in your attacking of Fuentes because he’s not a bad actor.
Alexander the Great lived in less decadent times, and being King, could be himself.
For Trump to be himself, would have needed an autocoup.
is there ANY advantage to being a Namefag?
i’m not certain i am possessed of income sufficient to practice proper OpSec like you or Aidan
on the other hand, i have nothing but the computer i type this on that anyone could take away from me
Some social media giants which have enforced namefagging or at least pseudonamefagging and ignorance of their parasitic alt right enclaves, have several young namefags visibly and successfully hooking up to breed, especially among the spergs. Also several examples of making irl friends, at least I saw this among the orthodox and the trad cats. It does help to have an approximate location and a face, even if mostly behind a skull mask
I made a similar comment when Jim first proposed his blockchain social media. There is a baby somewhere in the bathwater, and attempts to replace such systems can easily miss the magic trick underneath, perhaps they have all missed it. Replying to 100 pepes doesn’t the same potential and therefore loses some of the fun.
we ought to be able to checksum our dna into the public ledger and tie it to a private key that we control. We could at least sign (in one direction) to show that our gender, age range, country of origin is authentic, and perhaps a first or second name, enough to at least set the grounds for irl networks might appear, which can be as simple as meeting women or attending a liturgy or baptism etc, without going so far as to reveal your home and employer
@RMIV I, like you, do not practice proper opsec. I lack the knowledge and the funds. Also like you, I have little to lose, although I do worry for my family (even though my dad sister and brother all more or less participate in demon worship, with my brother doing so explicitly, and my mother having recently acquired a Quran, apparently without being able to remember how she got it).
No he doesn’t. None of what I said was untrue. What is the original Nick Fuentes insight that should make me pay attention to him or care about him? Why care about ecelebs who use their real name and face? Debate the content of my post or shut up, you incredible bore.
If I recall correctly Fuentes encouraged naive people to show up in person to “groyper” events, to show up to Jan 6th in person (not to do anything interesting by the way, but to stand around taking video with your cell phone and let journalists take pics of you). Sound familiar?
There is only so much one can do as an anon. With his small but growing organization, Fuentes is putting rightward pressure on mainstream Republicans in ways no else is doing and has connections to a sitting congressman (Gosar). I don’t see how that’s a bad thing.
Lets settle down gents. Good men can disagree.
Fuentes from what I heard has not acted like a namefag (that is his main good point) but he isn’t particularly insightful either…
Attempting to rearrange the comments has set of a chain reaction where lots of comments have become invisible. It will take me a while to sort out this mess
It is very hard to delete some comments without everything going to chaos
I should have marked those comments [*redacted*], rather than deleting them.
Had re-arrange the comments to delete certain discussions because people leaked information that could personally identify them through their IRL connections, and requested the removal
I somewhat arbitrarily re-arranged the surviving comments in such a fashion that they seemed less like non sequiturs
Looks like you rearranged the comments but this is good…
Yes I suppose that is valid too but most of the time this falls under the category of “disrupting discussion with stupid idiocyâ€.
I will vouch for Kunning. He’s a good man, a good friend, and a long time commenter here. Not a fed. There is value in having based friends who have each others backs- we don’t live near each other anymore, and he needs some. Though I don’t see a secure way to get in touch via JB comments, so I understand your hesitation.
Thanks man.
Genuinely sorry Pooch. I let optimism overcome wisdom.
A fed shill has to enter the comments for a reason.
Either to disrupt with stupid idiocy or to tell people to commit crimes, or to make comments that they could indict people for “conspiracy†on (and normally you have to get really specific to get charged for that).
You may not like or trust the guy but I’m not really seeing that yet.
You left out theories that turn people’s wrath from the target that the shill is directly employed by, to targets that the Cathedral, or some substantial faction within the Cathedral, hopes to eventually destroy, or merely does not care about.
Harvard runs a gigantic missionary operation to converge everyone to progressivism, the biggest one by far being supposed Muslims explaining to Muslims, that Islam, rightly understood …
Suones brought up some Hindu guru whose teachings he was particularly unhappy with, I looked him up, and it was immediately apparent that he had been on the Oxbridge payroll, and then got directly on the Harvard payroll.
The Dark Enlightenment is somewhere near the bottom of a long, long, long list.
I did not notice any payload in Kunning Drueger’s comments.
If you want based friends join a recreational softball or hockey league. Stay away from football and basketball. Too Africanized. And Soccer is just shitlibs and immigrants.
Nice little window into America’s future in South Africa today. The interesting thing to me was the burning and looting of farms.
https://twitter.com/FaeceSocietatis/status/1414702084851650563?s=20
We’ll be way more like Brazil.
South Africa’s black population: 47.5 million
USA’s black population: 44 million
Part’s of America are going to very much look like South Africa, and already do.
Parts of Brazil do too. Trust me America is going to be way more Brazil (but with shittier uglier uptight more feminist women rather than more livable Brazil turbosluts).
Trust me, women get a lot less feminist when hyperinflation reduces their government checks to almost nothing. Feminism is a luxury good; every nation has as much feminism as it can afford.
South Africa’s total population is 58.5 million. The US is 340 million. I think the Latino super group is going to play a very large roll, which would probably make Brazilification more likely.
Brazil doesn’t seem to have the insane negro worship cult like we have though, which is the dominate cult inside the umbrella of the progressive religion in the US. All other polytheist gods pail in importance to the God of Negrophilia.
> All other polytheist gods pail in importance to the God of Negrophilia.
Next week it’s going to be all about letting gays fuck little boys. The holiness spiral continues. Place like Brazil just lag behind.
Cominator’s talking about Brazil as far the crime and disorder model goes and he’s correct. Jigaboos are not large enough in population to really do what they do in South Africa, but large enough to see the insane out of control crime levels that Brazil. When in the city I watch for car jackers all the time now, and put my hand on my gun when I see niggers anywhere near my car.
What they do in South Africa though is largely encouraged and mandated by the state. The seizure of white farms for example. I could definitely see that happening in the US in the future if the holiness spiral is left unchecked, where as I don’t believe that has happened in Brazil.
Blacks are just too small of a population for it. If farms are going to be seized it will be on the basis that it’s native land that was stolen, and white leftists claiming to be Indians will show up to take the land.
Whites are a tiny minority in SA:
Wikipeda but probably not far off:
>The 2011 census figures for these groups were Black African at 80.2%, White at 8.4%, Coloured at 8.8%, Indian / Asian at 2.5%, and Other/Unspecified at 0.5%. The white percentage of the population has sharply declined.
44 million (and growing) is plenty, especially with a state religion with negro worship as it’s dominate cult. Percentage is not as important as total number in my opinion. Indians are plenty holy but not nearly as holy as blacks. It’s a smaller cult. I’d say they are more likely to seize farms on the basis that slaves used to work the land there (especially in the South although they could just flat out lie and say slaves were everywhere) and that 40 acres and a mule was never given to blacks therefore they are owed. We are already seeing the beginnings of it coming from Cory Booker.
It’s about narrative. Handing over a Farmer’s land in Ohio to jiggaboos isn’t doesn’t flow from it. Leftist use holiness hierarchies to knock over apple carts but only where the narrative fits. As Jim says, what becomes holy is often random, but from what I can tell they tend to prune the directions of spiraling towards narratives they can use to loot. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that leftists are buying up property pennies on the dollar in the areas whites are flee blacks due to the BLM riots.
Last year Antifa started dressing up as Indians to push their stolen land and genocide narratives. Today they’re dressing up as Indians to burn down churches(80+ so far). Unlike BLM there’s an a massively larger number of apple carts to knock over using this narrative. This is also a narrative that Americans have a limited defense against thanks to over 100 years of propaganda about it. Even better it’s easier for them to pretend be an injun than a nig nog when they go about looting.
Looks like the whites shot back this time, with the result that the black looters and black cops ran away. Doubt the black army will do much better. South Africa may well have a white government again by months end, or at least sovereign white enclaves.
One black can defeat one white but ten whites can defeat a hundred blacks. No need for organizations that can get Waco’d. Just an understanding that your friends will pull triggers with you when times get tough.
Yes that was encouraging (and epic). Hard to say if they were shooting lethal rounds or not. At least in some instances they were. The Indians and Muslims did the same. Unlikely allies against the advancing zombie mob.
It is nice to see people get away with defending themselves for a change. Hopefully it starts happening elsewhere.
Might be one of the benefits of the shrinking American Empire.
After the collapse of the Roman Empire, everywhere in Europe was still theoretically under the control of some king somewhere, but massive anarchy was still the rule, because having only a few armed men was proof against local authorities. When the Saxons “invaded” England, it was more like a few families with a few armed men would land a boat and build a farm, and the few armed Britons nearby did not have the cohesion to make them fuck off back to Saxony. After a century or two, there were no more romano-briton authorities and only Saxon claims to sovereignty.
If we become minorities in a hostile but militarily incapable sea of anarchy, self defense quickly becomes conquest and rule.
More white enclaves…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orania,_Northern_Cape
Is not this the left singularity that jim has been talking about?
The reason for the riots is supposedly ex president zuma jailing which resulted in his tribe chimping out.
No, not the left singularity. Just niggers being niggers.
The South African government was unable to control a tribal dispute. Whites were. A very small number of whites were.
So, what is stopping whites from resolving the dispute in white favor?
To act cohesively, whites need faith to do what needs to be done. Need to agree upon a white ruler, and agree that he should rule.
To agree upon that, need a faith that tells them that they should agree upon that. The prophet needs to anoint a King.
It is prophet time in South Africa. Not yet prophet time here.
Fat chance of that with
KarenHelen Zille incharge.Do you have any insights relating to the Indian community(s?) in South Africa? How about Indian populations abroad? I didn’t know this before I dated a Jamaican, but apparently there are Indian communities there and in many other places around the Caribbean. Is it similar to diaspora Chinese?
What the hell is going on there? How is it that the “looters” are all in similar looking vans? I put looters in quotes because I’m really not sure wtf they’re being used for.
Just blacks stealing anything that isn’t bolted down.
Do you think the Cathedral finally giving up on Afghanistan is a sign that at least some of the ruling faction is too old and tired to really give a shit any longer?
Also, odds on the Taliban et al sparking some Islamic revolutions across the ‘stans? If I were Russia or China I’d be making sure the local puppets are ready for a load of shit to be dropped on their heads.
If you have a loose cannon just outside your house, do you try to be at peace with the fact or try to destroy the cannon?
No people in demon worshipping cathedral is too old.
Like calm before the storm, shit’s going to hit the fan in middle east real hard.
Thoughts on Elon Musk and his first marriage:
https://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/a5380/millionaire-starter-wife/
As demonstrated by the postnuptial agreement Musk was clearly aware of the divorce industry and was able to have five sons with an elite wife despite her being a degenerate irreligious feminist.
Based and redpilled.
The ex sounds pretty ok tbh. The change in lifestyle must’ve been incredible, I don’t judge her for feeling left out. Elon clearly wanted/needed her to play a role she did not feel comfortable with.
Elon failed to give her a new religion so she returned to her old religion that commanded she divorce him.
Maybe, could be, hard to say. Sometimes you need to slap a bitch, sometimes you need to listen to her. She makes a plausible case that Elon did not listen to her, because occupied with billionaire star prophet CEO stuff.
A woman expects her man to occupied by important things. While you do need to listen to them sometimes, demands to be listened to are always a shit test.
Chances are he was trying to listen her too much. If a woman can butt in when your thoughts are on important stuff, you just failed a shit test.
I think ideally a woman wants a man she doesn’t even have unrestricted access to. The ultimate female fantasy for at least most women is to be the favorite Harem girl of a vampire demon king.
She complains about not being able to live up to his expectations:
Which would indicate he did not listen to her, that he was expecting too much of her.
From Wiki:
Just sounds like he got tired of fucking her as she aged and wanted to fuck some younger, tighter ass. Many such cases with high value men.
Indicates to me he stopped fucking her frequently as she hit the wall (age 35) and was very possibly fucking a 22 year old actress on the side.
Most conservative Christians are easily persuaded that migration from the Muslim world is unnecessary. But what argument can be used if we are talking about hungry Christian children from a war-torn country in equatorial Africa?
Love thy neighbor. Bringing strangers from far away places to your own country places a burden on your neighbor and on your own children.
You inherited your country from you parents. You do not honour you parents by giving your country away to some far away strangers.
Well yes. The good Samaritan did not give that wounded dude the key to his own house.
Still less did he give him the keys to other Samaritan’s houses.
What the good Samaritan did was unnecessary. It was above and beyond what a Christian is required to do, but it also was something that did not violate any Christian commandments.
Importing foreigners into your country violates Christian commendments of love thy neigbor and honor your parents. Importing those hungry Christian children (if they exist) into your country is an evil thing. Every Christian has a duty to prevent such imports.
Is it a sin to give refuge to these Boer descendants from South Africa? Or other people of European descent fleeing the red / green / rainbow plague? For example, this family has nothing to do with Russia, and their ancestors are clearly not from here.
https://youtu.be/nefBLrwJET0
It depends on who you are. Christians are obliged to honor their parents and therefore their ancestors. If you give refuge to people who are not related to your own ancestors, it is a sin.
By giving refuge in your own country you are taking something away from your neighbor and your own children. This can only be justified by another commandment (like honor your parents). If you cannot justify the violation of love thy neighbor by a different commandmant, giving refuge is a sin.
Not sure what commandment it violates or satisfies but I’d gladly provide refuge to Christian white boers fleeing South Africa to bolster the white Christian population of my home country.
To expand upon that, White Christians of European decent are very clearly my ingroup, regardless what language they speak. I don’t particularly care what the Bible says about it, it is obviously to my and our benefit to provide them with safety against other out groups.
If you don’t care what the bible say about it, why do you care that they are Christian?
What makes you so sure that they are your ingroup? People can flee from a shit hole and still advocate to implement the politics that created the shit hole in your neighborhood.
I check their faith. I ask them to recite Jim’s Christian creed. In Jim’s old type Christianity, I see them being my neighbor, my in group, ethnically and religiously, so I am required to act neighborly to them. I don’t agree with your interpretation that is dishonoring my ancestors because my ancestors are their ancestors.
Ey, Pooch, I did not write that you are dishonoring your ancestors by giving Boers refuge. Read above!
My position is that by giving refufe you take from your neighbor and therefore you need a justifucation to do so. One possible justification is that you are honoring your ancestors by giving refuge to people who have the same ancestors as you.
That is not the only possible justification.
If it is really to your benefit to take in some Boers, therein might be a justification. Eg if you are at war with people who want to kill you and all your relatives, you are required to fight back as good as you can and that implies getting allies.
Love thy neighbor is difficult. If you grant refuge you take from your neighbor, but if you and your neighbor are fighting together for survival, it is an act of love to bring in some allies
Am I really taking from neighbor? Well, if I grant refuge to low IQ blacks and such who are a net drain on society the answer is yes of course. But what if I grant refuge to high IQ white competent contributors? Are they a drain or a net positive to my civilization?
Sure, you still take. Certainly on the short run, and you are certainly taking a risk.
The taking might be justified, but simply saying that you are taking in intelligent Christians who might or might not be beneficial is not sufficient justification in itself
The Boers need to actively seek foreign sponspors (especially Russia) right now.
Sounds like they are willing and able to fight at this point openly with automatic weapons… that is good and they will win if they can get a reliable foreign supplier.
Too far from Russia. Russia is unlikely to be interested.
Don’t need Russia to conquer blacks. Need a candidate to rule South Africa.
Without a foreign sponsor they will be cutoff from all supplies by the Cathedral pressuring the whole world ala Rhodesia.
Russia is far far away but if its willing to sponsor them then there are men who will manage to get the Afrikaners their supplies.
Russia, Iran, and China, have bypassed the Swift system. If you plug into the non Cathedral monetary system (Crypto currency, the ruble, Renminbi, and the Kuwaiti Dinar), you can beat a Cathedral blockade. In the time of Rhodesia, the only options for bypassing Cathedral blockade were uncut diamonds and gold, but now, as the empire is falling, it is considerably easier.
Switzerland capitulated on being threatened with being cutoff from Swift, but as more and more individuals, businesses and nations have been cut off from Swift, or been threatened with being cutoff from Swift, Swift has become the periphery, instead of the center, of the world financial system. Everyone thinks it is still the center, but that is normalcy bias.
A white again South Africa should plan on becoming a major world crypto currency financial center. It will have to. It should also plan on becoming a financial Switzerland. It will have to.
Switzerland’s business was fully liquid and untraceable US dollars. A white South Africa is going to need to set up business in fully liquid and untraceable Renminbi and Rubles, because it is going to need them, and to do business with people who need them, in order to beat the blockade.
To do business, a white South Africa is going to need an outside-the-Cathedral banking and financial system.
But to be a white South Africa, will need a white man to rule it, and to have a white man to rule, will need a faith that will endorse that white man ruling it.
is there always a Cathedral? possibly the scope of this present one is unprecedented
There is always an empire, and the empire always has a state religion.
But this one is about to fall. Let us pray it does not take the white race and white civilization with it.
Unconfirmed reports that KZN is out of food. If true, the white Afrikaners are going to need food in order to win.
White people in an unstable environment keep a stash of food.
Black people in an unstable environment eat each other when food goes short.
White people have long distance connections to arrange for food to come in through backchannels when food goes short through official channels. Black people do not.
You’re making an equivocation here. ‘Hungry children’ is usually a dogwhistle for useless eaters imported to live on crime and voting democlap. Afrikaners (or those nords who moved to minnesota around the late ninteenth century, for instance) are not an example of this. Distance in space is not what makes your brother, distance in blood is.
>What the good Samaritan did was unnecessary. It was above and beyond what a Christian is required to do, but it also was something that did not violate any Christian commandments.
This is not a good line of attack.
You say the good Samaritan went above and beyond his duty, and it’s not mandatory to do what he did? Well, it was still a good thing that he did, right? Even if it’s not required, it’s still better to help the stranger in need than not to, right? I’m a better Christian and a holier man than you are because I want to help the poor starving Somali children. QED.
>Importing those hungry
ChristianSomali children (if they exist) into your country is an evil thing.No, it’s a good thing, as we established above. It may have some small cost to my neighbors and countrymen, but it’s good to help the needy, and they should be doing it even if it’s not required, so I’m really doing my neighbors and countrymen a favor by helping them to be better Christians and holier men (although still not quite as holy as me).
Jesus unambiguously commended the good Samaritan, who extended a neighborly hand to a far away stranger in need, and thus made a new neighbor, and promoted peace between Samaritans and Jews.
But the question was “Who is our neighbor, who are we commanded to love?”
And the answer is, actual neighbors who have not yet behaved in an unneighborly fashion, and non neighbors who have behaved in a neighborly fashion.
Which is wise, and within human capability.
>And the answer is, actual neighbors who have not yet behaved in an unneighborly fashion, and non neighbors who have behaved in a neighborly fashion.
This sounds sensible enough, but it’s too nuanced for propaganda purposes, and it doesn’t really even solve the problem.
We agree that the Samaritan was good because he helped a far-off stranger in need. I’m going to help far-off and needy Somalis, so I am good. You don’t care about the Somalis, so I am better than you.
You say it’s wrong for me to help the Somalis at your expense. But we’ve already established that I’m better than you; this gives me the authority to make you do the right thing. You should even thank me for giving away your money, your safety, and your children’s future, because we all agree it was a commendable action, and you wouldn’t have done it if I hadn’t made you.
There was a nuanced reply to this:
Article 14 of the 39 articles, which ever person possessing or seeking state or quasi state office had to promise to adhere to:
So if my neighbor wants to make me do the right thing, he is ineligible for state or quasi state office.
Unfortunately, a whole lot of the arrogant and impious, finding themselves ineligible for state or quasi state office in theocratic Anglican England, moved to America and founded Harvard, where every day they continue to grow more arrogant and impious.
“War torn” is usually the losing terrorists fleeing the winning terrorists.
People talk “hungry children” but what shows up is always adult males with blood on their hands.
Because conservative Christians opposed birth control and abortion in Africa, the Molochites were “forced” to cull the Amerikaners with Pfizer, Moderna e.a.
This year’s eurocup finals have generated the most hilarity i’ve seen since 2016. History will record the moment occupied ingerland finally ramped it’s wokelice state into high gear was caused by three m’bappes missing their giftwrapped penalty kicks lmfao.
Playing ball sports is fine but ill never understand sportsball cucks…
I’ve always thought of them the way the mob boss in Bronx Tale did…
>ill never understand sportsball cucks…
Which just goes to show how powerful sporting is for building assabiyah, on top of everything else; which is also why it is so frequently targeted for hijacking by evil in latter days.
Many normies who underestimate just how much the world of their phenomenological experience is a pre-planned and constructed ahead of time theater by their current underlords (which is most folks), find it strange and peculiar how this ‘three lions of england’ narrative is being preached from every rampart for three african mercenaries who bungled all of their shots; whereas the other three players in the penalty round, the goalie and other two kickers, who all actually succeeded in making their plays (each all also coincidentally happening to be native englishmen), are basically ignored.
The call goes out as soon as regulation ends and it goes to pens, and soufgate does his duty for his faith and passes up cooler headed players for a lineup of swarthy ringers as the closers (all but guaranteeing one of them will score the last ‘winning kick’). Reams of pre-written articles are sketched. Twitter hashtags are focus grouped. Murals are planned.
Except, of course, they blew it. And med bvll roma aetvrna were the ones who came out on top. Crowns were cinched. Bucks were broken.
But if there’s one thing you can count on from our improvidential imperators, it’s that they don’t let a little thing like reality keep them away from a narrative. So it’s full speed ahead anyways, and damn the torpedoed prospects for actually winning.
Gnon smiles on the victors.
Two years ago our host was saying elections will be decided by who counts the votes. Not sure how out of context this is, but it sounds like confirmation from Bidan.
Pretty interesting speech by Biden. Saying the quiet part out loud about rigged elections while at the same time seemingly justifying violence against Republicans who wish to audit the vote by invoking “defending the Constitution foreign and domestic” and “greatest threat since the Civil War” multiple times. They aren’t mentioning Civil War over and over again by mistake it seems.
Right, it will simply be interpreted differently by each side.
Still, it’s a surprising admission of where things are right now.
Watch out for Muslims, including white converts, who see a chance to raid villages in Middle America, in order to capture white Christian virgins.
I think they’ve been using him to do this a lot lately. They have him “accidently” do an old man slip where he says something that ostensibly he’s not supposed to say out loud just so they can get their threats out there in plain English. It’s a real naked power thing.
https://ocs.yale.edu/outcomes/
Yale might be the heart of the Cathedral, and I can’t believe I had the greatest respect for them at one time. Only 1.2% of its graduates claim to be future entrepreneurs, and most of them are probably rich kids faking it or poseurs looking to pad their resume for a prestige employment in the future. Few of them want anything to do with the South.
Most of these “elite” graduates are future wage slaves just like anyone else facing a 50%+ cost of living skew above the average and the top 20 employers list is biased towards corporations that demand 80+ hour work weeks. Meat grinders. But they’re only making $71k a year, despite being the formerly most elite aspirant destination from just a generation ago.
I can see why they’re not encouraged to try to have big families, but rather become bohemian deviants instead. They can’t afford traditional family life. I can’t see why most others don’t see this now. I didn’t when I didn’t have this information available in school, but that was different.
This is why people turn to some form of socialism out of despair at being forced into fake meritocracy and left poorer for it. Either socialism or some kind of consolation prize Potemkin village lifestyle bailout for pre-internet college graduates. Generation X really came true…
Inability to form families is nothing to do with money. The working class of the 1945 had far less money than people today, and the peasants of Afghanistan and Timor Leste a lot less than either.
The shortage of virgin pussy has everything to do with inability to form families.
Over history and geography, over time and distance, there are enormous variations in wealth, and they have no measurable consistent effect on the fertility rate short of actual famine.
Socialism is the promise of free stuff. Which promise is made over and over again, and every time is massively broken once the socialists run out of other people’s money.
Stupid people go to university, professors promise them that dutifully attending college will get them a good life, but it does not. It never did.
In the days of our greatness, the elite did not go to university. The Royal Society was not an academic institution. If you read old books from the 1930s and 1950s depicting top members of the elite, men born to wealth who subsequently even wealthier, and are funding the expensive events of the story, they went to work out of high school. The story line of 1930s science fiction books often features a great scientist, who in earlier science fiction seldom has an academic degree or academic affiliation, though in 1940s science fiction we see scientists that came out of university, but in 1940s fiction, a wealthy elite and powerful men who did not attend university. When they chat to other wealthy men, they knew them from high school or family connections, not from university.
Early science fiction often has some superscience crisis, and scientists start chatting to other scientists about it. It is not academics chatting to other academics.
The idea that university magically pops you into the elite is new, and was false from the beginning.
University expansion was a ponzi scheme. The only good jobs it ever delivered were jobs in universities, and activities where the state restricted entrance to academic graduates.
The time has come for the Ponzi to collapse, but possession of state power by the state religion based in the universities keeps it alive. It is time for the dissolution of the monasteries.
It seems to me that the main reason why people now go to get higher education is the thirst for status. If people went there in order to get an education conducive to finding a good job, so many sociologists and psychologists would not be graduated. It is also a legitimate way to postpone growing up for several years.
How long does it take for the state to abolish the regulations preventing new virgin pussies from entering the market? How long does it take to privatize the means of production (female vaginas)? The socialist economy should collapse (either due to internal problems, or due to external forces), but is it rational to expect this? The Roman Empire fell for centuries.
As long as your fertility is below the reproduction rate, you will have a noticeable shortage of virgin pussies, even if all is well with the marriage law. The production of virgin pussies takes time.
>It seems to me that the main reason why people now go to get higher education is the thirst for status.
Rather, that’s what it always and already was about, from the very beginning of degree inflation.
>It is also a[…]way to postpone growing up for several years.
This aspect indeed grew in weight over intervening decades to now.
>How long does it take for the state to abolish the regulations preventing new virgin pussies from entering the market?
A state that wants to can make it happen instantly overnight.
It is becoming more and more obvious that something like this can only happen through Islamization and brownization. Even if countries begin to fall under Islam, the most “conservative” countries in Europe will not change their strategy in relation to the WQ. Even if the European military come to power in some European country, I doubt that they will do more than Iran did, and this is clearly not enough.
Decent Romans, who wanted a wife and children, were baptized and went to the barbarian armies, and did not wait until the Romans girls got tired of the carousel. Don’t expect the next emperor to fix the Roman patriarchal family.
White skin with light eyes is still associated with status, it is best to travel to countries with beautiful and meek girls who lose their minds at the sight of the White Man. Unless, of course, you are not tied to the workplace. It will be possible to return to Europe when Sharia is established and beautiful pale girls are sold at auctions.
You’re getting your forms of causes mixed up. Islamization can make a state that wants to make it happen. A state that wants to make it happen can make it happen instantly overnight.
Jim loves Putin.
Anonymous Conservative loves Putin.
Vox Day loves Putin.
They would all very much like their readers to love Putin.
Carry on.
While we’re off topic, this had me in tears! From a Steve Sailer Twitter thread on aborigines.
https://twitter.com/JohnFiliss/status/1415306561568772097
Your link appears dead. Care to tell us what it said?
Just tried it (with a private window) and it still works fine for me. It’s a (serious) video public service announcement to abos not to sleep in the road at night.
Works fine for me.
Here’s another classic for those who haven’t seen:
https://youtu.be/_tOkb1y7hEs
Even the abos can’t help but laugh when they start “performing”.
The Pianist reminds me of Tiny Tim (Tiptoe, Through the Tulips)!
The castrato’s voice is broken. What a waste!
He is giving land to the boers, he is preventing fags from indoctrinating children, and nurturing Christianity. What else should any of us think about Putin?
I don’t like him being cucked on guns but Russia isnt the us and nobody is perfect.
Some serious eye candy. It was obviously produced outside the Cathedral hegemony (apparently a Russian company.)
https://youtu.be/FcjDzi3ghtM
While watching this video I expected the Handicapper General to show up any minute with a shotgun.
Oh it’s Russian, I see. If this was an American video half the women would have to be fat and/or black, most of the rest latin or asian, and of course the most attractive ones would be kissing each other rather than teasing the man.
And people think I’m bad for saying what has to be done…
Never forget what they took from you.
They never took anything from you because it was never yours though, in my opinion that’s unhealthy victimism that leads to powerless and unproductive rage. I prefer the vigor and strength of our ancestors, we’ll just conquer and build our own world like our ancestors did before us.
I don’t think most people arguing with you about mass killing think you’re “bad” or are arguing with you out of a false pretense of morality like progs do, they just don’t believe there’s a genuine productive point to it. I myself though I’m not against it, I’m not entirely sure killing so many people would lead to anything. I’d rather castrate the men and enslave them for dirty labor, women to be used for sexual slaves and maids.
Progs are only dangerous because they are parasitizing the power structures that our ancestors built, otherwise they’d be worthless dogs yelping to the air. As long as we had our own power structures, they’d be no trouble and I’d personally enjoy a greater schadenfreude seeing them suffer as lowly slaves hand washing our toilets and such. Of course, the occasional throw from a helicopter into the main street and then make his fellow slaves clean it for enjoyment is good too. Remember the wise Romans had coliseums, it’d be amazing to see a lion slowly but surely eating a journalist and seeing his fellow glowers cower and tremble at the sight of it, knowing they’re next in line.
>Progs are only dangerous because they are parasitizing the power structures that our ancestors built, otherwise they’d be worthless dogs yelping to the air.
Paper beats rock. There’s no “only” about it.
Rock beats rock, in reality nothing beats rock except a bigger or better rock, though paper can help acquiring it. The only thing standing between politicians hanging on posts and those willing to do the hanging is a rock called police, a rock called military. And those rocks exist because of the inertia of a power system founded by our ancestors, progs are simply parasites gaming it for their own benefit.
The truth of the matter is that I live as I want and do as I please in most ways and no prog can tell me otherwise, only the police can because they are too many for me to fight. But I can also game the system established to avoid them so I’ve been untouchable anyway. Muzzle? Nope. Lockdown? Nope. Respect wahmen? Hell no.
Niggers in South Africa were under the impression that they were hot shit, they have rapidly found out that without the rock called US military backing them they are nothing against a bunch of white farmers too tired of them.
China and Russia increasingly doing whatever the fuck they want and the good old Federal Government of the US can do nothing about it, since their weak inertia driven power systems are empty and only usable against incest loving sand niggers and atomized whites. But even the sand niggers are winning and will win in the end.
Well, sure, of course physical violence is ultimately at the base of all power. I don’t disagree with that. Don’t underestimate the importance of organizing, channeling, inspiring, discouraging, rewarding, punishing, and otherwise controlling physical violence with words and ideas, though. That’s the progs’ specialty, and they’re nearly undefeated over the last century or more.
Jim points to the Stonewall Riot to prove that fag acceptance was won with violence, and he’s right. But, why didn’t the police come down on the fags like a ton of bricks? Were the NYPD physically defeated in the street, or were they morally defeated in their superiors’ offices, in the press, and in their own heads?
>Jim points to the Stonewall Riot to prove that fag acceptance was won with violence, and he’s right. But, why didn’t the police come down on the fags like a ton of bricks? Were the NYPD physically defeated in the street, or were they morally defeated in their superiors’ offices, in the press, and in their own heads?
They were ordered to protect the faggots the same way the cops protect Antifa. Antifa would be beaten, run over, and gunned down in almost every city in America without police protection.
Hell they had Antifa/BLM marching around rural areas not far area last year and they had to police cars in front and behind them on a country road to avoid having them run over by good old boys in pickup trucks. No cops around and it would have been open season on Commies.
Speak of the devil and there is something similar going in LA right now for trannies. Some dude showed his dick to women in a spa and Antifa is rioting for his right to do that. The police are actually beating them and shooting them with non-lethal rounds pretty epically, but because it is left wing “peaceful protest” all Cathedral organs will loudly proclaim the Antifa rioters as stunning and brave and the police will eventually be forced to back down. Eventually there will be statue for the dude who showed his dick at that spot just like Stonewall.
“As long as we had our own power structures, they’d be no trouble”
They didn’t build the power structures they infiltrated them like a virus… so obviously they are a threat.
The left is entryist. The anglo left got its start by entryism against the Anglican Church. They operate a huge, well funded entryism operation. The tell tale sign of this that shows up in official records is a hundred nominally completely different and totally unrelated organizations working out of one office with overlapping personnel, and funds moving through a long chain of organizations without actually changing hands.
They attach themselves to organizations created by other people, consume them, and add the empty shells to their collection of letterheads.
So why would merely purging them from the institutions be enough?
Not seeing your reasoning.
Why should purging them not be enough, provided you keep on guarding against entryists and purging apostates?
Part of guarding is having them terrified of even trying to join any institution… need to give those that survive a lesson they’ll remember for ages.
Com is right on this one. Did the Anglicans kill too many leftists or too few? History and Harvard’s existence would point to too few. We do not need them setting up another Harvard analogue after we win. Half measures for burning out the rot are counterindicated by the past. It is better to lose a few of Havel’s Greengrocers and complete the task of destroying this incarnation of the left than to let them slip away and destroy us in a hundred years all to save some people who barely matter in the long term, anyway.
When has “teaching them a lesson” ever worked? I understand the catharsis of putting paid to the assholes that are actively depriving my children of a stellar future, but the excessive chatter about mass killings is a very shortsighted, leftist inclination. Time and again, the forces of chaos take power and set about teaching lessons for the ages with predictable results. Convert or die, reeducate or die, die now or die later, these all culminate in an entrenched opposition unable to calculate self preservation. The institutions must be seized and razed. The agents of chaos must be located and dispatched with extreme prejudice. New institutions must be erected and built to withstand attacks in the future. Mass killings of everyone who’s glanced leftward is a childish fantasy. No elite worth having will be convinced by autistic rage. Consider which elements of chaos ended up winning over the elites of antiquity: it wasn’t the Bolsheviks, it was the soft spoken, seemingly reasonable elements arguing for a better future. Yes, they were deluded and/or lying, but their argument was convincing enough to capture the majority of Brahmins.
This of course presupposes the avoidance of the utter calamity of a global collapse. In that case, all bets are off. But that also pushes interstellar expansion back by centuries or more. I can only speak for myself, but there is no utility to mass helicopter trips for the people who wrecked the West if there isn’t a realistic, viable path towards relighting the fires of conquest and empire. It’s the idle fantasy of a permanent underclass and I can’t see how it is different than “eat the rich” or “bash the fasc” or any other genocidal fantasy. Put simply, it is treating the symptoms instead of the sickness, at least that’s how it sounds every time I’ve heard it articulated.
“This of course presupposes the avoidance of the utter calamity of a global collapse. ”
Western utter calamity is probably inevitable… global…
Xi is like the Woodrow Wilson of the 21st century hes ruining China by reintroducing Marxism and he helped the Democrats win here. Global collapse is increasingly likely here.
I would argue that what Suharto did worked a lot better than what Pinochet and Franco did, because Suharto was ruthless and thorough about it.
So we have an example in recent history where it worked better.
You say “worked better,” I say failed differently. No points for almosts and could have beens.
Spain and Chile now have leftist governments, Indonesia does not.
I am talking about exterminating a hostile enemy elite. Julius Caesar failed to do that and paid for it with his life. Charles II failed to do that, and paid for it with his nation, albeit after he had died. There should be no progressive Harvard. Anyone with the ability or inclination to construct one should be killed, and any attempt subject to nuclear bombardment or orbital kinetic energy weapon drop. I want to give my children a good five hundred years before this sort of thing pops its head up again, and I will wade waist deep in the blood of progs if that is what it takes. Kill one or kill one hundred million; it is all the same to me. Only the objective matters, and that is victory, complete and total, with our enemies dead, broken, and crushed so completely that no one would dare to take up their cause within living memory.
Put simply, if I was given two buttons–one that would kill every leftist in America and one that killed all of the people in charge–that would end the left here in America, I would choose the one that needed less killing. If I was only given the button that would kill all the leftists and knew it would kill one hundred million or more, I would absolutely still press it. If they and theirs have to die for me and mine to live, so be it.
@wulfgar
I share the sentiment, but we’re never getting push-button opportunities. It won’t be as simple as make one choice then enjoy paradise. This is the fundamental lie at the heart of Progressivism. It will be a long campaign, a generational project at the very least. It is akin to building on suboptimal terrain. This means a while raft of reasonable expectations, calculated implementations, and acceptance of inevitable faults, mistakes, and decay.
I guess my consternation with the Comminator Plan is that it does nothing to win over anyone in the middle, and I think if we’re honestbit is incredibly off-putting to even hard right wingers. From the vantage point of JB we can see that nothing short of extirpation will do, but we have the benefit of years of thoughtcrime and redpills, so it’s obvious. At some point the fringe must become the main stream. The Left gets so many advantages in this regard. We have no Cthulhu.
You win over the middle and the cuckservatives by forcing them to be the people who actually carry it out.
You take National review cuckcons and tell them… okay we’re not sure if you are a leftist regime criminal or someone we can work with… so you’re joining a death squad or we’re going to shoot you.
>I can’t see how it is different than “eat the rich†or “bash the fasc†or any other genocidal fantasy.
The eternal failure mode of the cuckservative is looking at things in terms of process while ignoring the object level.
‘The problem with democrats is that they oppose free speech!’
The problem with democrats is that they oppose *your* speech; that they oppose righteous and divinely eusocial speech, and oppose opposing heinous and heretical speech.
‘The problem with damnemyanks is that they are racists!’
The problem with damnemyanks is that they are predisposed against *you*; that they attempt to demote superior kinds under inferior kinds.
‘The problem with demonrats is that they’re genocidal!’
The problem with demonrats is that they’re genocidal *to all who are more civilized than them*.
And Indonesia has a faith that hasn’t been converged by progressivism yet while Spain and Chile do, and it’s also further away from Cathedral influence and closer to other independent powers.
I can’t speak too much for Chile and I also don’t know the minute details about Indonesia, but no matter how many people Franco killed he was bound to fail. You know, those leftists you’re talking about are the children of the most adamant francoists, the moment he died they all turned. The problem wasn’t necessarily related to specific people, there was a systematic problem like you’d find in a communist country. The incentives and social levers were all wrong, Christianity was already converged and the meme of high education spread, killing people wouldn’t have made a difference. Franco was a soldier, not a ruler, he had no idea what he needed to do for sustainability and viability. And to make matters worse, he broke bread with America leaving himself open to direct influence. The man he chose for king and raised himself since he was a child was literally the one who made democracy possible and his fail safe Carrero Blanco was assassinated by CIA under pretenses of ETA. You kill leftists, so what? How would that have avoided any of this? It wouldn’t have.
I prefer having a slave cleaning public toilets, sexual slaves and maids, and also lively food for my pet lions.
>I prefer having a slave cleaning public toilets, sexual slaves and maids, and also lively food for my pet lions.
No way. This is a huge mistake. Enslave Leftists, and they go from being a liability to an asset. Now your people want to maximize the number of Leftists around. They’re also eventually going to bond with their slaves and feel the natural protectiveness and loyalty of the patron to the client when they should instead be forming this bond with lower-ranking men who are actually on our side. You need a toilet cleaned? Pay one of your own people a decent wage to do it.
I actually agree with this. Look at what slavery brought the colonists in the long run. Nothing but trouble.
The problem is that although the difference between blacks and whites is significant, it is not as significant as the difference between, say, whites and dogs. The difference between rightists and leftists is even smaller. Keeping either as property is apt to bite you or your descendants in the ass.
The presence of slaves is not what triggers the holiness spiral, the nigger problem in America is not prompted by the heritage of slavery. We do not have such a thing in Europe and we still suffer holiness spiral for niggers, muslims, gypsies and other undesirables.
The enslavement would be a one time thing in the specific circumstances as a punishment and ensuring subhuman status. They’d be kind of a public property and any form of violence or mistreatment towards them authorized for good measure. I don’t support slavery per se, I clean my own toilet thank you.
Journalists and feds in chains, humiliated, used as cattle, cleaning the public toilet with a toothbrush while getting shit on, piss on and spit on by bored teenagers. No one would support their prog defection and moral pretense in three generations at the very least.
Imagine a row of Democrat politicians in chains, ragged and haggard, broken and lifeless, kneeling on the arena of a big Colosseum. One of them thrown to the center and a lion released to feed upon him, all of them cowering and trembling at the sight, becoming more desperate yet. And the people watching, learning the fate of leftism.
At the very least put them in camps or something, with school trips where kids learn of their evil and what their betrayal and insanity leads to, to look at them suffering their just and deserved punishment there.
>The presence of slaves is not what triggers the holiness spiral, the nigger problem in America is not prompted by the heritage of slavery. We do not have such a thing in Europe and we still suffer holiness spiral for niggers, muslims, gypsies and other undesirables.
There’s a tendency with slave owners to treat their slaves like pets and value them over their own people. This isn’t a big deal if they can’t reproduce. Any future slavery should include forced sterilization.
The secondary issue is using slavery instead of creating labor saving devices. A high cost of labor is a benefit in the long run as it forces investment in machines to make labor more cost effective. Slavery undercuts this as more investment is put into capturing and training slaves rather than increasing the value produced by labor.
Having unlimited immigration has much the same result of having a large group of former slaves in your nation.
Alfred exactly right, hereditary slavery is a great evil. Slaves for crimes on a non hereditary basis may have its place.
The Union states industrialized earlier than the southern slave-holding states for this very reason.
Don’t take this personally, but every time I see your name I think “the Coominator”. I know that my presence here is marginal and I rarely engage in conversation so plz don’t excommunicate me for saying this.
At this time, the population of Russia is declining by half a million every year, the average age is more than forty years, and the proportion of Asians-Muslims in the population is constantly growing, taxpayers pay not only for single mothers, but also for abortions, divorce for no reason became the norm.
I’m not very familiar with Russia’s current political situation. What’s theoretically stopping Putin from reinstituting patriarchy?
Putin is not the Hero Russia needs. His Russia is more like if/when ISI starts running Pakistan directly. At the time of Soviet collapse, the only non-insane organisation still standing, not only with guns (which the Army also had) but with political stability, was the KGB. So they did the right thing and moved into the Kremlin after cutting a deal with Yeltsin. This had a lot of plus points, which is seen in Russia, but also a lot of minus points because KGB is essentially the ghost of USSR. It lacks vitality and new blood, and once Putin is dead Russia comes into play again. Putin seems painfully aware of his doomed position, and is trying desperately to “restore” Orthodoxy to replace post-USSR-ism as the Russian State Religion. I’m sure he realises that an “Orthodox Restoration” doesn’t just require Christ, but also Peter the Great. At least I hope he does.
Curious: I asked a specific question about Putin and Russia, expecting an answer preferably from someone familiar with or who lives in Russia, and I got a rambling response from a poo in loo
lol stick to Indian politics
Communism is dead. The Russian government adheres to Western Liberalism imported during what my Russian friends call the “Wild 90s.” For Putin to restore patriarchy, he must create a Christian elite faction powerful enough to transform the Russian government.
>I’m not very familiar with Russia’s current political situation. What’s theoretically stopping Putin from reinstituting patriarchy?
It would likely trigger war with the US. Other idea’s I’ve heard is the Russian elites are not onboard with it and Putin doesn’t want to push too hard and trigger war with the US at the same time. Personally I think he’s dodging on it because he doesn’t have a son to pass the title of czar onto. He doesn’t want to rock the boat too much as he gets old.
From my perspective it seems would be quite easily to reestablish patriarchy, but the reality is almost no one rolls backs women’s lib without a long period of Anarchy. Once a civilizations give women rights that’s almost always the end of the civilization.
Yes, but why is it so? What is so hard about it? Why does the state not treat possession of a woman the way it would treat possession of a cow?
One problem I do see is the father husband conflict – fathers are reluctant to let go of daughters, and always fail in hanging on to them. So are reluctant to allow husbands to have full possession. When we had a social rule that woman had to be married if sex occurred, or the plausible appearance that sex had occurred, and the wife’s identity was subsumed to that of the husband, (coverture) there was a tremendous amount of social stress caused by unnaturally prolonged virginity.
It will not do any good to enforce paternal authority if dad blithely sends them off to whore school. The advantage of anarchy in restoring patriarchy is that fathers are under heat to marry their daughters off.
Assyria was the first state to recover following the Bronze Age collapse, and my interpretation of their marriage customs is that before the collapse, dads sent to their daughters to the temple to be whores, and post collapse, the state put the heat on dads to marry them off as virgins at a certain age.
This is consistent with JD Unwin’s encyclopedic survey of peoples, cultures, and civilizations, “Sex and Culture”, though Unwin gets the glaringly obvious causation backwards.
Napoleon Bonaparte totally abolished women’s rights (granted by the French Revolution) by fiat.
Did it work?
I think until the 1848 Jesuit/Illuminati (literally the historical illuminati was involved) revolution.
Reading up on the period doesn’t show anything like women’s lib being rolled back, rather a slight increase in penalties for bad behavior. Changing the law is no substitute for changing behavior and Napoleon failed at this when he didn’t have his first wife publicly humiliated and then executed for adultery.
No wonder Napoleon lost, he was a cuck.
LOL the Code Napoleon all but abolished women’s rights.
He had a soft spot for Josephine so what. He probably remembers she liked him when he was just a lower ranking manlet that most Paris society gals laughed at him and wouldn’t talk to him. Him having a huge soft spot for one bad girl doesn’t mean he wasn’t redpilled on women and doesn’t mean his laws didn’t take away women’s rights.
Hitler rolled back a bunch of feminism. He didn’t go far though, so only marginal improvement in fertility it seem but the sample size is not very large.
far enough*
What specific laws did he change in regards to women. I’ve read many many primary sources on the 3rd Reich and I’m not aware of any.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Nazi_Germany
“Officially, the status of women changed from “equal rights” (Gleichberechtigung) to an “equivalence” between men and women (Gleichstellung).”
Also read the section “Withdrawal from higher education”
Those were reasonable measures and I would have expected them to have significant effect.
But they missed the point, focussing on the symptoms of female emancipation, rather than emancipation itself.
What matters is that virgins are restrained from scoring alpha dick, so have to get married in order to get nailed, that husband and wife are stuck with each other and that the husband has authority.
Everything else is largely irrelevant.
The big issue is status, while theoretically decreasing female status the regime did nothing legally while giving the women too easily the option of going to the block captain or the gestapo.
A truly totalitarian state ALWAYS makes a beta male out of the patriarch in this way.
Vladimir Putin is a pragmatic leader who does what he can given the resources at his disposal. Donald Trump was overthrown because he had no elite support within the established order; even if he called upon the militia the woke military would most likely crush any type of insurrection.
Government is not a regime’s leaders, government is a regime’s administration. Putin cannot build roads alone, cannot collect taxes alone, cannot muster armies alone, and so forth; if he wishes to accomplish a task he must have people below him who support his efforts. The lie of democracy is the Progressive emphasis on the temporality of a country’s leaders relating to a regime’s association as “authoritarian†or “democratic†when the actual liberty of a nation lies in the secular or non-secular religion of its ruling elite.
At the moment Putin cannot crown himself Tsar and restore patriarchy even if he wanted to because monarchy is fundamentally a religious institution and the Russian administrative government is not Christian enough. In order for a Russian President to become Tsar he must build an elite faction within the government who will support him when the Patriarch of Moscow puts the crown on his head.
Putin cannot yet restore Christianity to Russia because he does not have the resources to do so even if he wanted to. The Church in Russia lacks the necessary infrastructure to administer such a transition.
As an aside, insiders obtain the most pertinent information regarding the inner workings of the Church in contemporary Russian society. Patriarch Kirill has survived six assassination attempts, but this information is only known among high-level connected clergy and those close to them.
Most outside of Russia are unaware of the degree to which Communism destroyed the church network. Today, the Church has only 39,000 parishes and 80,000 clergy in a country of over 146 million people, thus it does not have the resources to administer patriarchy under the Russian government. There are no Russians alive today who have memory of the country before the Revolution, and as such Russia is not a religious country with most attending services only a few times a year. When the Russian faithful reaches 10 to 20% of the population the church will be ready to make its move.
Most Orthodox do not consider the Muslims to be an problem. A third of the Tatars are Orthodox and there is a high level of intermarriage, with many Tatars and Russians with mixed heritage in the clergy. Many ethnic Slavs in Russia are anxious about their position because they are debased and as a result not having enough children; however, these fears will subside when Orthodoxy is restored.
That’s very encouraging.
Is it possible that groups like Taliban or Muslim Brotherhood will have explicit members elected to governing bodies in the West, and if so, how soon? There are quite obviously ultra sympathetic politicians in the US and UK, but they are often people who would be censured, arrested, or executed if they were in Afghanistan, Somalia, or Pakistan. I’m talking about someone being elected to the House or Parliament as a Sharia candidate. Jim stated that the globally dominant religions are Progressivism and Islam, so if/when this happens, would Progressives “recognize” the threat to their power and fight back?
Hillary Clinton had a vast intelligence apparatus, which in middle eastern affairs was totally powned by old Islam entryists whose primary loyalties were to the Taliban, Al Quaeda, or Islamic State.
She remained blissfully unaware of this to the very end, because she is a dumb drunk, and it was politically incorrect for her operatives to draw the matter to her attention.
So there is a high likelihood that Progressives will fail to recognize the threat to their power until too late.
I am seeing some hints that suggest that No Such Agency failed to notice that its computer networks were penetrated by just about everyone until well after everyone else noticed, but it is hard to tell what is really happening with No Such Agency.
Clinton isn’t unique in having a blindspot for Muslims. It could be a respect thing, inherent racism (noble savage type), religious blinders,etc. Might get to the point that only straight white male threats are detected.
I asked the original question because I wanted your perspective on who we should support domestically, in our communities, etc. I’m no fan of oriental cultures or religions, but if it is down to progressives vs. muslims, I’m pretty sure I’m going with aloha snackbar.
>Might get to the point that only straight white male threats are detected.
That has more or less been the point from day 1.
I know we can’t go too far down this track, but I’m telling you that in the IC world, there’s been a fundamental shift in methodology. There’s a company called Perspecta. They are the future of indoc. This change started under Obama, but it got kicked into high gear in January ’21. I don’t know how all the pieces fit together, but November ’20 was a very loud, very clear signal.
There has been a real shift; what that shift is though, in principle, is removal of inhibitions.
Folk who are strait, or white, or male (or even, allah preserve us, strait white *and* male), have always been primary targets for ideologies of invidiousness, because they heretofore have always been the most competent and functional demographics. The whole point, eternally and as always, is rationalizations for one to disenfranchise their most capable neighbors, because they don’t want any of them to stand above them in stature; they are their only real competition.
November 2020 was a signal that the time for unprincipled exceptions is over. It was a signal to all solipsistic partisans of the tranzi faith, to not just hold the idea of biolenninism, but to go out and enforce it against any and all resistance everywhere, because power will now firmly have your back.
One might wonder at times then, in light of such, what goes through the heads of those curious urban dwelling bluechecking europoids in that land called America (if it’s not 5.56×45, that is). Some, doubtlessly, have now and then sensed an inkling of a notion – that the talking points they parrot seem to have a rather curious quality of sawing at branches they themselves also sit upon.
Those poor benighted souls who cheered on the farce of old joe’s handlers stuffing their puppet in place, having the sin of being white and or male themselves (jury’s still out on strait), means they’re also on the list for going up against the wall; useful idiots of course can get temporary delay of execution for tactical convenience, up until they have then lived out their usefulness, in serving to hamstring their other more reflexively resistive compatriots first.
It’s a niggling dissonance in the back of the mind that all ghostface wokes have grappled with in quiet, maudlin moments. Pretending to be gay won’t help anymore. Chopping their balls off and living as a tranny might get them some holiness points, but at that point you might as well be dead anyways. That’s really the implicit telos; the only forms of life allowable for them is life that leads to death. That they will never have a wife. That they will never have children. That they will never be permitted to have an easy or prominent or fulfilling existence. That their only place in the religion they subscribe too is at best as a disposable ATM from which their moral superiors can extract capital, however long as they last. Because they can’t be trusted.
That is, their kind can’t be trusted to not be successful. That’s ultimately the name of the game you know? They must be relegated to the bugman hovel life flatlined on prozac to cope, because showing any signs of flourishing makes you a target again.
The message is that people from demographics with shameful histories of being more functionally organized need to have value extracted out of them and transferred to demographics that are more dysfunctional, until we have safely eliminated all functionality, and noone has to feel insecure about anyone looking better off than them (or perhaps rather, noone around to feel insecurity at all). The proceedings of which are of course so oft also overseen by white males as well; ones who call more loudly and more frequently for even greater of such abnegations than the next guy over (*for* the next guy over, natch), thus showing themselves to have a purer, holier faith in the ideals both nominally subscribe too, thus becoming the one the other lemmings all listen too, and thus gaining license for knocking over the apple carts of the only other potential rivals who could actually threaten their machinations to have higher social status than anyone else; other white men.
(Until the next month, when another one comes in with even louder and even greater exhortations than the former, thus purging his predecessors, until…)
“Those poor benighted souls who cheered on the farce of old joe’s handlers stuffing their puppet in place, having the sin of being white and or male themselves (jury’s still out on strait), means they’re also on the list for going up against the wall; useful idiots of course can get temporary delay of execution for tactical convenience, up until they have then lived out their usefulness, in serving to hamstring their other more reflexively resistive compatriots first.”
White leftists deserve it entirely fuck them…
I wish I could make every white leftist suffer 10000x more.
Tongue is at least *partially* in cheek.
Pseudo, one of the best, boiled-down-to-essence comments ever.
Incidentally, leaders who advocate for islamic shari in the west will appear in places where there are more arabs than europeans.
I think that makes sense, Minneapolis and Detroit and Newark make that clear. But what if Sharia candidates start appearing in former traditionalist strongholds. I don’t mean AK wielding Binladen lookalikes, I mean well groomed Muslim men going up against virulently leftist Cathedral zealots. Tactically and strategically, this would be a good thing, right?
>But what if Sharia candidates start appearing in former traditionalist strongholds.
Certainly that can happen; if it happens to have happened that there are more arabs there now than europeans.
See how this works?
If baste islamist figures become mainstream in a (formerly) europoid demesne, it will be because the tranzi establishment already succeeded in destroying it (quite possibly through those arabs in the first place).
I think he is implying that white Christian traditionalists should use Muslim figureheads to, if not effect restoration, at least counter leftist policies and influence through the electoral system. I’m skeptical. The muslims who are most politically similar to us hate us the most and want jihad. The muslims who are not very Muslim are milquetoast liberals who will not benefit is.
They are a little smarter than we give them credit for. The jihad bloc supports leftist parties in Europe because they correctly recognize that leftist instability will eventually let them take over with their AK47s. And all minority figureheads that support the Amerikaner lose their sacred status. Whites cannot sneak a black Republican figurehead past the Cathedral, so I doubt Muslim ones would work
“The Muslims who are most politically similar to us hate us the most and want jihad.”
“The Muslims who are not very Muslim are milquetoast liberals who will not benefit is.”
Who are these Muslims?
What is their race?
‘Muslim’ is not a racial category.
Take the Soros shill test.
Islam is a postmodern religion meant to destroy national and racial ties, not to mention the hierarchies that evolve through natural law. It is historically analogous to puritanism. It is correct to speak of muslims as a single bloc, save for a few rare cases.
“Islam is a postmodern religion meant to destroy national and racial ties, not to mention the hierarchies that evolve through natural law.”
Those races and ethnicities who embraced the Islamic creed never commit demographic suicide.
@Aidan,
Given your Spenglerian outlook, do you expect some victory for the Aryan* Faustians is possible? If so, why? Do you expect this victory will take the form of a revival or the creation of a new culture that is inspired by Aryan characteristics?
*unlike Spengler you seem to believe in race essentialism to at least some extent.
The middle east is a soup of incompetent racially ambiguous browns lmao
They may not commit demographic suicide, but they commit demographic homocide often enough that their neighbors eventually commit demographic self defense, which achieves the same end. They also commit intellectual suicide, which in the era of nuclear arms and space travel is effectively demographic suicide.
I got he was implying that, which is also why i was skeptical. Islam certainly is naturally and innate; for arabs that is.
A native son of America or Europe, who cares about America and or Europe, sees it, more or less rightly, as yet another manifestation of hostile aliens he needs to resist for the sake of those he loves; something that, even if comparable, is still something that is not his native Tradition. Highly unusual times it would be where he might see it as something of ‘his own’ instead.
Meming islamist faction(s) into more europoid aligned modes of thought would certainly not be a bad happenstance for us (and would likely be an improvement for them as well, for that matter), and i have no principled opposition to the idea in abstract. There’s just the small (‘small’) matter of character’s bona fides in particular.
Not only can outsiders not use Islam effectively because it will betray them, Muslims can’t even use it very well.
@Aidan and St. John
The figurehead idea is interesting, but I think it is more likely fodder for fiction than real life. My question was based on trends I’ve seen in certain Mid-Atlantic states that are undergoing paradigm shifts in governance. As old guard conservative redoubts become bastions of Progressivism, the slate of candidates is becoming odd. Over cigars and racial slurs one evening, I somewhat facetiously proposed running a campaign for a state senator race wherein “we” picked a few specific demographics to actually target (South Korean, Indian, etc.) and applied a primary/general strategy, meaning we went hard into edge politics to capture a zealous base then walked it back as the race draws to a close. I suggested we restrict funding drives to communities from which our candidate hailed (more than enough money if the campaign is run properly) as well as put out material in Korean, Hindi, Urdu, etc, and no English translations. Ditto for the rallies, straight up foreign affairs. The goal would be to annihilate any prog competition in terms of rhetoric and ideology as well as capture the diversity is our strength/Karen vote. Obviously, everyone thought I was insane but amusing. But I keep thinking about it as a strategy for divide and conquer in local politics. It would only work in a few areas, but those areas are significant.
Votes doesn’t matter in blue jurisdictions. You’re better off infiltrating the counting rooms and paying off the Indians and blacks who count the votes.
@ Pooch
I’m back and forth on this one. You are absolutely correct, but I wonder what kind of tactical options exist in the realm of Left Only politics, like in DC, NYC, etc. At this point, the outer party has no purpose and it may just balkanize. This would be a good thing. The goal of my idea is not to fix democracy, because democracy is the problem and monarchy is the solution. I’m wondering what can be done to hasten the decay in a way that damages Progressivism and draws the right kind of people towards monarchy/reaction. I’m not on board with the Comminator Plan because it feels like leftist strategy (mass murder), it doesn’t draw normies in (it only appeals to the most extreme perspectives), and it only addresses the symptoms. I think a better way is to reduce the status value of herding Left. The obvious question is How? I say this with respect to TC. I share the sentiment, and you may as well, because many things I loved have been ruined by Leftoids and their enablers. But I don’t think it is a plan that can be built on, if the goal is a Millennial Star Monarchy.
Caesar and Napoleon tended to arrive when just about everyone knew the existing system was a farce. I see boomercons clinging to their Constitutions which tells me we still have at least another generation to go until democracy is thoroughly discredited. I hope I’m wrong.
However many generations it is, I think the Monastery Strategy will be required. While the idea of based bros guarding libraries, gardens, and wives definitely appeals to me, extant technologies, as well as the threat of pillaging mud mobs, may make the optimal neo-monasteries some kind of buried servers or something.
@OC
Heres my Spenglerian take: Faustian man is going to get Confucius or collapse. A formalization of natural law that stands in for a live faith when nobody really believes anymore. Jim’s interpretation of Anglicanism is the best candidate right now. The faustian victory is colonizing the stars. If we get the restoration of natural law, we will be able to colonize the solar system, and create a long period of general stagnation, but colonizing the solar system would allow new cultures to grow and surpass us.
I agree with Spengler that race is a quality of an elite within a genetic group. I do not know where new races are going to come from because the men who have race within them are alienated from one another. Give them a reason for cohesion (war and conquest) and we will have strong races again. If we get collapse, the goal is preserving enough knowledge to inspire a new Culture.
We should discuss this further, but you know I’m very interested in synthesizing the Natural Law into a text. I think you and St. John should be in there as well. I keep procrastinating my mega-crawl through the archives, but really, I just need to know where to begin. Any thoughts on that? I have your corpus downloaded, but I think Jim should comprise the bulk of the text, or maybe just the first text. From my perspective, it is useful and necessary for either path. Of course I would prefer Confucius, but even if the path is Dark Age 2, the Book of Jim will be a good thing to have.
Jim, or anyone else, do you have any suggestions on where to start reading about old type Anglicanism?
English Society 1688-1832, 1st Edition — J. C. D. Clark
Thanks man. I can’t make any hard and fast deadlines or promises at this time, but as I begin to put things together, I’d greatly appreciate your critical eye. I also plan on going through the comments as well, and I am certain there are posts of yours that will be put in. Some of your comments on this piece were incredibly insightful, but your prose is daunting so it will take some work to get the text to convey properly.
What is you guys’ plan for when the Established Churches all proclaim you neo-Cathars and the State actively starts purging? Jim’s Christianity is deeply heretical according to the Pope and every major Patriarch. Sodomy is becoming/has become a Christian sacrament too. Jim repeatedly declines being a Prophet, and I wouldn’t like to see him martyred, of course.
The classic solution to this problem is giving the Pope the Finger, of course. But that was done by Henry VIII who had an immensely powerful land and sea force under his command. What do you have?
What did the original Christians have?
We have the truth, and our enemy has lies.
This undermines their cohesion. With the pretense of democracy quietly abandoned, they have no means of resolving elite disputes except by killing each other – though normalcy bias will probably keep this from going all the way to tanks rolling back and forth through American cities for some time. The quiet Clinton death count was pretty high, and a much higher death rate is likely to come out of the shadows before long. When the Clintons murdered Epstein, it was not so much that the operation leaked, as that the boat had no bottom.
A state needs a state religion, and this state’s religion is about to die.
@suones
There’s one major establishment religion in America: Poz Demon Worship. There’s plenty of Christians but they’re without churches who are not controlled by their enemies. And as the churches openly declare themselves for the Poz they empty out, much as the boy scouts have.
Putting together a book is not setting up a church and applying for tax exempt status, but you knew that. What are you actually asking?
@KD
You may also find some relational interest in the works of G. K. Chesterton and Alasdair MacIntyre, ‘In Defense of Sanity’ and ‘Rival Versions of Moral Enquiry’, for instance.
We mostly intend to play the long game, so that we will not be a target until our enemies no longer have the cohesion to purge us.
It is still a bit eery how completely over the top Jim’s blog is ignored. With Jim having presented an actual plan for Trump to autocoup, you’d expect some buzz at least. I think in that sense we should not underestimate our enemies: my guess is they want some dirt before they direct any attention whatsoever to this place. They understand that if they ever call attention to this place, it needs to be Trotsky’d, not Streisand’d.
Well to put it into some perspective, we can for instance speak of several anonymous mongolian finger-painting appreciation boards many times the size of corners of the net like this, in terms of both posting and eyeballs, yet you will rarely if ever see them explicitly mentioned in official voices of power.
In large part, ‘internet stings’ are outsourced to voluntary auxiliary thoughtpolicepersyns; which in most cases means, people getting fingered for publicly available postings on antisocial-media connected to their real identities.
One should not think too highly of oneself or one’s community, but also not too low.
Consider Scott Alexander: his blog was in the same ballpark as Jim, and he was important enough to feature prominently in the NYT.
I imagine journos are pretty sensitive to blogs; they are natural bloggers themselves, after all. A successful blog, which is mighty hard to create, naturally attracts attention, if not outright envy, from the journalist class.
What made Scott different is that he explicitly courted the official church and tried to play ball with them.
(With predictable results.)
Sure, but that presupposes that the Cathedral found him important enough to play ball with.
Perhaps you are more right than I am, hard to tell, but Jim has been talking truth to power for a while now, and the audience has been steadily growing. Can’t imagine that not catching some journo’s attention.
There was a brief moment a few years ago, around 2015 or so, where there was a spate of journalists in third-string outlets making hysterical point-and-sputter pieces about the lovecraftian horror that was ‘The Dark Enlightenment’, but in the event, they either lost interest, or preferred not to gaze in the abyss and go back to more usual suspects closer to home to point-and-sputter at, or word came down from above to ignore it, or some combination thereof.
Likelyhood of being mentioned in a rag is almost uniform with whether you are doxxed or not. A modern journalist is basically a blogger; he is also a namefag, who will tend to consider it ‘beneath his dignity’ to speak of anyone but other namefags.
>Likelyhood of being mentioned in a rag is almost uniform with whether you are doxxed or not. A modern journalist is basically a blogger; he is also a namefag, who will tend to consider it ‘beneath his dignity’ to speak of anyone but other namefags.
And also because journalism is a weapon for this priesthood; figures are appeared in it’s lines in order to be lionized or attacked; and it prefers targets it can get it’s hands on.
I think there’s two parts to this. On the one hand, JB is so beyond the pale that “serious” media assets can’t see the blog. It’s literally jibberish to their perception. So they see no need to address or rebut it. For all the hindsight hate levied on Moldbug, his strange brew of excessive verbage and thoughtcrime-lite was incredibly effective at capturing the attention of people who were, or considered themselves to be, outside of the status quo/common knowledge sphere. The other part, and this is speculative but unsettling if accurate, is that the Eye has seen JB, is keeping an eye on JB, and if/when society gets to a point where the payload here goes from fringe to relevant, are prepared to annihilate the memeplex root and branch. (I’m not playing the “× is a fed!” game, but a lot of the autodefense here goes after entryists and shills while paying no mind to the “can you clarify in granular detail please” posts. I’ve asked for details, so I’m not trying to be a hypocrite, but there is a danger to specificity when someone is putting together a dossier, case study, or investigation.) As the above linked YT account points out often, NRx is not a plan for politics, it is a framework for interpretation. It could be that the Eye is not concerned with the method, but is very interested in the possible results. I’m not shying away from my effort to codify, but I am trying to be cognizant of the threats.
Our enemy’s reality blindness works in our favor here. Any granular detail contains what are them fnords, which blind them.
They cannot see us, because they cannot see the fnords.
They could see Moldbug, because he crept up on the fnords slowly and indirectly.
His fundamental strategy was to woo a hostile elite to act in their own best interest, so he wanted them to be able to read what he said, but they cannot act in their own best interest.
Was it foolishness? Ignorance? Compassion? Vanity? Maybe, for all of his powers of historicity, observation, and deduction, he just couldn’t see the stunning self-destructive impulse ubiquitous in the progressive elite. After all, he is one of them by his own admission.
I know the namefag position. I disagreed before and I was wrong, but do you think that no good will come of Gray Mirror, or any of the other “in the open” NRx projects?
Never read it, assuming sight unseen that it is worthless.
Since you mentioned it, I read a bit of it. Worthless. He dances around trying to say what needs to be said, and in the end, does not say it. It is Old Moldbug verbose diversionary flimflam that he used to use to sneak up on his point, but now he sneaks around his point.
I imagine you and he would have a very full, informative conversation, then the things you’d both write after it would be… intense? Insane? But he either cannot or will not walk the path you’re on. So my inclination is to intercede on behalf of his work, feeling some motivation to explain or defend. But Cromwell was right. So I say that GM is not worthless; it holds no value for the initiated.
I’m halfway through listening to the Moldbug podcast pooch linked earlier. It’s fun. I feel most of what he talks about is UR recycled and re-applied to current events, but recycling UR is not all that bad.
His analogy on complaining about critical race theory made me laugh: ‘imagine a man lying in coma who is anally raped every night. But one night he is raped with more force than usual, so much so that he (subconsciously?) notices the rape and he (subconsciously?) starts to complain, not about the usual everyday rape, but about the slightly more forceful than usual rape.’
lol.
Were I to talk about the same thing, I would say that leftism gets ever lefter, and pretty soon conservatives will be conserving critical race theory.
I suppose he is saying the same thing – except he is not quite saying it.
I liked his idea on the same podcast of the right co-opting CRT terminology to mean exactly what it should mean about race instead of trying to say we are all colorblind like the normie cons do. Need something stronger.
Old type Christianity is great on women. Not so great on race, unless I am missing something.
You could count on the fingers of one hand how many times Jim’s Blog has been mentioned by people using their real names.
Andrew Anglin never mentions Jim, but it’s clear from his essays and comments over the years that he’s gone from not reading JB at all to reading it all the time.
I’ve been reading the Grey Mirror posts, the free ones anyway. Imo they’re pretty good. Moldbug is still explicitly “a monarchist”, which doesn’t seem to me like sneaking up on / around a fnord. He says it in a few places but the most recent I can recall is this interview : https://niccolo.substack.com/p/the-agrigento-interviews-curtis-moldbug
“To call me a “techno-fascist” is sheer balderdash–I am a programmer (retired), a monarchist (absolute), and a Critical Race Theorist (new wave). ”
As for the “critical race theorist” point, I have to agree with him, insofar as I agree with Marcus Garvey in thinking blacks are unassimilable and should go back to Africa. Sometimes he seems to be handing out blackpills, but I think it’s because he earnestly believes in the truth of such pills, not that he’s doing nefarious Jew plotting to corrupt the minds of right wingers (although maybe Jews do this unconsciously, unconscious Jew bias lol).
> lovecraftian horror that was ‘The Dark Enlightenment’,
I think they keyed off of the name to create their shill, “Intellectual Dark Web”, which is basically a joke.
>I liked his idea on the same podcast of the right co-opting CRT terminology to mean exactly what it should mean about race instead of trying to say we are all colorblind like the normie cons do. Need something stronger.
This was in fact an old trick that got a lot of traffic across old /pol/ and early electric reaction, since there many men simply took the tools of post-modern analysis – which represent the point where a subversive powerbloc has moved past the opening ‘unlocking’ stage, where they destroy an incumbent social order through temporary liberalisms (which are always and inherently temporary) of ‘we recognize no established or predictable essences in anything ever’, and into the stage where it looks to solidify it’s power by being assiduous in exterpating any liberalisms anywhere, making sure they don’t make the same mistake of lending certain ‘rights’ to their targets that their targets foolishly lent to them; then it is no longer ‘no religion’, but ‘our religion’ after all; not ‘no races’, but ‘our races’, not ‘no states’, but ‘our state’, and so on – which, by attempting to sneak Ordnung back in through the back door, opens up the possibility of simply reapplying them to more reality consistent ends.
The proles are browbeaten that their naive ideas of ‘i dont see race im colour blind’ which they thought were perfectly good and holy are in fact hopelessly biggoted. At the highest levels of leftist intellectual refinement, crafted to respond to continual failures of leftist ideals, and increasingly restive push-back by their targets, ‘white privilege’ ultimately becomes equivalent white supremacy – which you are supposed to piously refrain from explicitly noticing (or, for the most faithful of unholies, notice and attack *precisely because* of such), and keep the old connotative load of words like ‘privilege’ or ‘biggotry’ from their original contexts in mind, even as they are redefined and inflated to apply in other contexts as a rhetorical two-step (where naturally different words with different exosemantics would apply).
@jim
In fairness, the original Christians didn’t fare so well until the Roman State adopted Christianity, which took a few centuries. Truth has a slight edge over lies, but it is only a slight edge. To succeed there must also be a path from here to there.
@Kunning Drueger
I’m asking if Jimian Christianity, which is the real Christianity, also known as National Orthodoxy (condemned as phyletism), hopes to incorporate the Holy See and the many schisms, or to replace them like the Anglican Church. And what will be done about the remaining Internationalist Churches and their (millions of) acolytes? Anglicans mass purged Catholics/Papists, and where necessary, killed them outright. Do you consider Internationalist priests allies or enemies?
@Pseudo-Chrysostom
They took down Social Matter, doxed and threatened one of the principals for ironic anti-Hawaiian comments, and started the downward spiral that sapped all momentum that DE had. JB is the only content source still standing (and Vox Day, but his content is not quite DE, Briggs has limited scope), and Neorxn the only aggregator remaining. This is what soured me on the whole “nationalist” Jew vs “prog” Jew thing — when push comes to shove there is no difference. Moldbug and Alexander learned this the hard way. The loss of Social Matter and the destruction/forcing underground of Hestia Society was a major blow against developing reaction into a mainstream meme. Some of the energy went into Trump 2016, but then that got purged too. I falsely hoped Trump would reverse, or at least slow down, the trend, but I know better now.
Also, attempting to subvert and use enemy memes against them was what I tried (with some success) in 2014. It came to an end in 2016-17 when “Free Speech” became FreezePeach and “Free Assembly” became Charlottesville. It was then that I received divine guidance to never use Leftist rhetorical weapons because they’re loyal to Sauron and will betray me at the time of greatest need. “Free Speech” was only a tool to get a Christian nation to accept Piss Christ and “Free Assembly” only applied to Commie rallies (and now to Bugger rallies). Once the Piss-Christ-Bugger Party is in-charge, it all unravels.
@alf
Even his jokes are cucked. This “joke” deliberately has a man being “raped” instead of a woman to avoid getting Anglined over “rape jokes.” “Anal rape” of a man is not a thing because there is no involvement of “consent” in buggery — it is always a crime. Violent buggery is punishable for one party, non-violent buggery/”consensual” buggery punishable for both parties.
@suones
The issue you raise is real and relevant, but at this point I feel as if it is very much cart before horse. Changing variables of reality always doom pre-planning to recalculation and improvisation. It is foolish to have no plan and equally foolish to have one plan. As usual, the path we take is the path we’ll make, so important questions will require appropriate answers when they become relevant and we have the capacity to generate real answers. I see no need to peruse paint swatches when we don’t even know where we’re buying property.
>They took down Social Matter, doxed and threatened one of the principals for ironic anti-Hawaiian comments, and started the downward spiral that sapped all momentum that DE had. JB is the only content source still standing (and Vox Day, but his content is not quite DE, Briggs has limited scope), and Neorxn the only aggregator remaining.
Very true. I’ve actually spoken of this myself in the past (https://blog.reaction.la/uncategorized/fixed-privacy-leak-in-avatars/#comment-2710036).
>Cloudswrest says: How come I only seem to find out about these cool sites after they’re gone?
>Pseudo-Chrysostom says: A lot of places i considered more reliable like i considered this blog more reliable have gone that way over the years (quite a coincidence). The worst thing is taking all of their material with them, too.
>Porter/Kakistocracy was good but he’s gone. Nydwracu was good but he’s gone. Graaaagh was good but he’s gone. Atlantic Centurion, Future Primaeval, Neocolonial, QuasLacrimas, Theden – good, but gone.
>Radish has not been heard from in years, but a blessing from god that it is still archived. Foseti, FaithandHeritage, up but not updated. Nicky’s Xenosystems, not always reliable, but pretty good – also gone. Social Matter, once plenty of guys who were good, now gay.
>There are a few places i think of in similar ways that are still up and show signs of life, such as ThoseWhoCanSee, or Counter-Currents, Amerika, or NeoCiceronian, as well as several linked in Jim’s sidebar; but few also with similar levels of activity to throttle your attention span in a world of superstimuli, besides more ‘news-like’ outlets, like Steve Sailer, AmGreatness, or Taki.
https://blog.reaction.la/politics/social-justice-is-highly-lucrative/
I’d say the main things that helped make Jim’s blog a long-term survivor, is 1, taking proactive measures to avoid hosting plugs from simply being pulled, 2, taking proactive measures to prevent doxxing (personally and of other contributors alike), and 3, explicit articulation of the topic of HIV positive entryists into Based spaces looking to spread the poz, how they inevitably identify themselves in the pursuit of such, and the dealing with of such in like kind. That takes away most of the easiest means by which the polygon tries to stamp out competing religious thought.
The only other figure i can think of that has achieved a similar feat over the course of non-insignificant public output is Andrew Anglin; and when you look at it objectively, one must marvel at the sheer level of heroism he has displayed over the years. I can’t think of a single figure that has not either squished into cuckoldery or just ducked out into hiding after being squeezed with the kind pressure he has repeatedly sailed through. Yet he has gone years nigh on to a decade through such fire and flames without so much as wavering an inch, and come hell or high water, he would figure out a way to get The Mail though.
Simply remarkable.
Curtis Yarvin is a namefag, and in that sense he has nothing new to add. But he is also a very smart man who was the original catalyst for nrx, so in that sense no judgment from me whatsoever. Namefag’s gotta do what a namefag’s gotta do.
“… by old Islam entryists whose primary loyalties were to the Taliban, Al Quaeda, or Islamic State.”
‘Al Qaeda’ & ‘Islamic State’ are out-and-out US Deep State entities.
Sunni supremacists have been working with the American intelligence for the last 50 years.
Many a political career & presidential legacies [Bush II, Obama, Trump to some extent] were nourished by the staged contest between ‘Islamic Fundamentalists’ and ‘the West [the Judeo-Christian version]’.
You have all been working with US intelligence, but who has been using whom?
The way things worked out in Libya, showed US intelligence thought they were using Sunnis, but it was Sunnis using US intelligence. The way things worked out in Syria showed that US intelligence thought they were using Sunnis, and were partly right, but mostly very wrong.
“You have all been working with US intelligence..”
You can make your point without getting personal. We are all grownups here. Aren’t we?
Looking at your website I saw the phrase
“One can adhere to Islam and be a White Nationalist at the same time. There is no contradiction.”
This is not correct, Islam commands its adherents to work towards (violently) one Islamic world state. Of course it can’t work but no faithful adherent of Islam can be any other kind of nationalist than an Ummah nationalist.
Taqiyya – Islamic entryism to white nationalism.
They are competing with us for the Nazis.
Sir, wearing your faith on your sleeve does NOT amount to ‘Taqiyya’.
My name clearly demonstrates my beliefs and identity.
They are not being hidden behind some Germanic or Latin pseudonym.
No, but claiming your faith is compatible with ours does. Islam is explicitly Arab-supremacist; we need white supremacy.
I am no expert on Islamic law but my sense is that Islam is colorblind, not Arab-supremacist, with race mixing encouraged as long as the marriage is an Islamic marriage. The story of Muhammed is that of a conquering horde killing the men of those it conquered and taking the women to reproduce with. Scaling this to the entire world likely results in a brown blob of mystery meat.
Thanks for visiting.
I will address this particular point in the second part.
My first instinct when he showed up a couple days ago was ‘plant’, since the ‘blog’ linked in his handle is like a week old, and the handful of ‘articles’ are just short empty blurbs for nominal connection with reactionary sounding topics or writers.
Yes, been seeing a sudden influx of Mohammedans that look like plants. As to who is planting them, we will not know for a while.
You need to improve your instincts. At the moment, they are failing you.
Again, the non reply reply.
This is unresponsive. Stop giving unresponsive responses.
Also, take the woman question shill test. Obviously you will pass with flying colors if Mohammedan shill, but if a Mohammedan shill who is also in bed with the feds, will not be able to pass.
Things have changed since November 20th, so it is possible that Soros shills can pass the woman question shill test, but they still fail the Soros test, so take the Soros test as well.
If you pass both tests, you are still a plant, but at least we know who is not planting you.
My dick never fails to cum inside your ass lmao
“Yes, been seeing a sudden influx of Mohammedans that look like plants. As to who is planting them, we will not know for a while.”
You are getting more and more infiltrators of greater and great sophistication.
You are moving up in the world.
Your response is evidence for my point. If you were not working with US intelligence, you would tell us about recent history, rather than saying that making the point is hurtful.
You are, at best, the enemy of our enemies. You cannot expect us to care whether certain facts are hurtful, only whether they are true.
Alliance with Islam against a common enemy has had a very poor track record for the last twelve centuries. Allying with US intelligence and simultaneously allying with those US intelligence is seeking to destroy is absolutely in character with Islam, and in recent years it has been doing it a great deal. Such alliances have had bad results for both US intelligence and for those that US intelligence is seeking to destroy (as one could predict on twelve centuries of past form).
Who is asking for ‘an alliance with Islam’?
What happend in the last ’12 centuries’?
I am NOT your enemy. I am just trying to have a civilised conversation. That’s all.
Ban me if you don’t like my presence here.
P.S.: Thank your for not censoring my comments and giving me an opportunity to express myself on your blog.
I am interested in whether you can pass shill tests that a right wing Mohammedan or old type Mohammedan should have no difficulty in passing.
If you cannot pass them, someone who is not a right wing Mohammedan or old type Mohammedan is looking over your shoulder.
In those various proclaimed shill script leaks that you see on pol, the shill is supposed to draw attention to Trump’s relationships with the Jews to cause infighting among the alt right. It would not surprise me if someone has thought about doing the same with muds. I heard the datacentres are affirmative actioning in a lot of browns anyway so they would have the background for it. Very excited to see if Mohamet can pass
Spoiler, he cannot. With every comment it becomes more obvious he is a Cathedral agent, probably one of Soros’s boys.
Which is a pity. An agent of an independent Islamic group, hostile to the Cathedral, would have been interesting. Yet another Soros script is boring.
I am guessing that the payload is to persuade us that federal program of bombing marginal federal electorates with imported Somalis is actually good for the right and a path to restoring marriage 1.0.
Do you know Arabic, jim?
The Racism cult is king over all other cults.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/boston-pride-disbands-systemic-racism
What a powerful, well crafted piece of journalism jfc.
I think the racism cult is king only in white circles.
The worship of nignogs is off the charts. I normally go to an all white doctors office for blood work and the alike. Last time I want there the older white women who’d been drawing my blood for years had been replaced by a young black women. The girls at the office where singing her praises about how good she was at her job. My arm is now all bruised up and the dumb nigger couldn’t even tape a over a cotton ball on my arm correctly. So got the tape stuck to her gloves 2 times before she got it on my arm.
Medical care in America is about to go from bad to insanely dangerous to use.
Peer review should be replaced with some sort of smart contract. Blockchain hosts the papers and blockchain-governance sets a small and reasonable standard price to download them. Attempting to replicate the results, successfully or not, gives you an automatic cut from the revenue. How do you decide what attempts are legitimate ones, and make it resistant to Sybil attacks? You use the trust network that Jim already describes. So the system looks for people you already trust, or people that people you trust trust, and so on. why not also apply to investigative journalism? The system Jim describes selects for high quality social media posts without bots and shills, but could be used to select for any types of document production requiring hard work, legitimacy and honesty, and the resulting network would also provide a framework for shadow corporations hiring technical experts based upon relatively good objective criteria (work already done on the blockchain tied to your digital id) without the stranglehold of HR
Interesting idea. Pre-publication peer review isn’t science at all, though. Science papers don’t have any revenue to share, either.
Judging merit of people’s ideas and opinions in different matters — and even more, rating the value of individuals’ judgments of other people — is a central problem for making civilization work better. Democracy and politics is what we’re using now, so it shouldn’t be hard to do better, but it is very hard to do well in an absolute sense.
Is there a handy link to: “the trust network that Jim already describes”?
“…We can start with the 200 question certification exam. The most obvious clue that there was something suspicious going on with the test was that there were no questions about Xanax. How do you measure “excellence in all areas of care and practice” without asking about the most commonly prescribed medication in America, let alone psychiatry? Meanwhile there were several questions about pimozide, a medication which appears to be prescribed exclusively by psychiatrists who want to brag about prescribing it. I was repeatedly assessed on my competence in Dialectical Behavioral Therapy, but was not asked to display my knowledge of SSI. You might retort that SSI isn’t really psychiatry, but then why is so much of my time spent on it? The only thing I spend more time on is Xanax.
“But though the missing Xanax was a clue, the insidious problem with the exam was not the content. To see the bad faith obscured by the questions, put aside the usual college freshman complaints of, “why do we need to know about pimozide?” and ask instead, “what happens if I get the question wrong? What happens if I get them all wrong?” The answer is nothing. There are no consequences for failing this test, at all. First, 99% of the applicants pass, I assume the other 1% forgot to bring two forms of ID. Second, even if you fail, you can take it again and again, as many times as you feel it’s worth the $1500. Third: there were a thousand easy ways to cheat, here are three: I could have walked out of the building on an unsupervised “break”; I could have Godfathered an ipad to the back of a toilet; or I could just picked up the phone and called everyone. Who was going to stop me? There is more security at a pregnancy test, which made me wonder if how easy it was to cheat wasn’t… on purpose. The retort is that doctors are expected to behave honorably, but the honorable ones were going to pass anyway. Those in danger of failing– the very people the test should detect– would be most tempted to cheat. Doesn’t the ease of cheating render the test unreliable? If the test is unreliable and 99% pass, why have a test at all? Which reveals the gimmick: the point of the test isn’t to measure competence, but to convey the impression that competence was measured. The point of the test is to say that a test was given– and nothing else.
“The question is, to whom are we saying this? It is as if psychiatry was in denial about its ordinary reality and was trying to create a different identity through the test itself. A psychiatry where there are right and wrong answers. Where pimozide and Dialectical Behavioral Therapy happens, a lot. Let me anticipate your retorts: that the questions are carefully constructed for their validity; that the test itself “incentivizes” learning; that not everyone prescribes Xanax; that if I’m such a smartypants, what system would I use? If these are your replies, you have missed my point: a flawed system isn’t better than no system at all, it is worse than no system at all, because at least with no system we are forced to be accountable to ourselves for our education. “Not everyone will be so dedicated.” Correct, but now those same undedicated people get an official blessing of their ignorance. Who doesn’t walk out of even this ridiculously meaningless exam not feeling smart, accomplished, up to date? And who would dare, after passing, to criticize the exam that warmed his ego?…”
Fascinating. Source?
Sounds like The Last Psychiatrist.
>tfw folk don’t recognize TLP on sight anymore.
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2014/04/the_maintenance_of_certificati.html
Thanks, I guess — such amazing stuff TLP wrote, in such quantity that it consumed a few hours before I was able to tear myself away. Kind of like linking TV-Tropes.
The inauguration of maladaptive systems almost always proceeds from Wand Waving; like the Sorcerer’s Apprentice, they do not understand what is actually created when they invoke Power in their desire to create something.
When someone doesn’t know the extent of how [nice thing] may be furnished – when he doesn’t know how [nice thing] is *already* being furnished – when he doesn’t even *realize* if [nice thing] is already being furnished – and he makes a call for, ‘[nice thing] is nice, would it not be nice if we had more [nice thing]?’, Chimaeras are conjured into being to satisfy that call.
The problem with wand-waving is not that it fails to create anything that satisfies it’s demands, but that something *is* created to satisfy it’s demands. The Chimaera better fit’s the wandwaver’s simplistically adulterated conception of [nice thing] than the actual [nice thing]s in reality itself. Indeed, they *consume* instances of actual [nice thing] into more of themselves, until there is no longer any actual [nice thing] at all, and naught but the Chimaera remains, and all a group’s action in reality is redirected into an impotent self-referential gnostic parody of reality.
“…the point of the test isn’t to measure competence, but to convey the impression that competence was measured. The point of the test is to say that a test was given– and nothing else.”
“…The retort is that the system is predicated on a certain level of honor, that physicians shouldn’t cheat. Fair enough, but if you’re trusting them to be honest in revealing what they learn, why not simply trust that they’re going to learn it? Because the point isn’t the education. The CME exists to say that there is CME; the CME exists to say there is oversight[…]To clarify: the important criticism here is not that the multimillion dollar CME industry is a gigantic money making scam, something on the level of the 15th century sale of indulgences, because to say that would be actually to defend that very system: the money is a diversion, a patsy, what is corrupt about CME isn’t the money but, as the default mechanism for continuing education, it subverts its own purpose. It reduces the interest in actual education so that it can pretend that it explicitly monitors it. If you have a minute to spend on your “education,” the system pushes you towards CME. “Why not do both?” Why do both, who can do both? There are only 24 hours in a day. In other words, the system doesn’t just fail, it forces failure.”
Men who called for ‘world peace’ created mass chaos; men who called for ‘bread for all’ created mass famine; men who called for ‘universal education’ created mass stupidity; men who called for ‘verified science’ created unverifiable science.
As has been noted elsewhere ( https://johntreed.com/blogs/john-t-reed-s-blog-about-military-matters/61085187-is-military-integrity-a-contradiction-in-terms-part-1 ), the bureaucratic, managerialist, proceduralist confabulations of bluetribesmen do not actually provide control, greater or otherwise, they are created to provide a *feeling* of control.
Democracy is to power as porn is to sex. Organizations become colonized by committees, like a fungus spreading through an ant hill, because it can efficiently provide a desired good to a great number of people; and that good is the feeling control. That each member on a voting committee can feel like they have a hand on the tiller of the ship; and the larger the committees, the more people with this feeling it can satisfy.
Good stuff, but when you quote, please give the link:
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2014/04/the_maintenance_of_certificati.html
I cannot access his site except through direct links like that. The home page links do not work for me.
I linked it above in a reply, though yes just including it in the OP in the first place is usually better.
Psychiatry is alternative medicine and always has been. Psychoanalysis is a mystery cult whose only real attribute (hierarchical “analysis”/confession) is mechanism for enforcing cult loyalty.
It is one of the least sur
https://reaction.la/security/social_networking.html
Thanks. Still going through it. The first part seems to be mostly scratching an itch I don’t really share. (On this blog would be great to just be able to highlight new comments since the last visit. The cobbler’s children have no shoes.) “Discourse” software and Ron Unz’s site software have a lot of good ideas. Any scheme that depends on readers’ raw ratings, particularly if it requires them to rate everything they read, is just not going to work, IMO.
I’m really after a system for valuing and compensating IP in general, particularly marginal improvements to existing designs, but also fundamental innovations, with low transaction costs. Valuing valuations, rating how good a person is at assessing worth, is a key issue. How can we assess good taste? It’s as objective as beauty itself, I say, and incredibly valuable. Apple’s $T valuation mostly came from the good taste of one man. The original Hot-or-Not algorithm for rating beauty and rating ratings of beauty had a deep insight, which is why it had to be destroyed.
A few bits I particularly liked:
“We need a pseudonymous social network on which it is possible to safely discuss forbidden topics.”
“What the censor is suppressing is stuff that is not generally known and not generally available. What moderators are needed for is to suppress is stuff that is very hard to avoid” [auto-moderation idea: if a comment added to the existing comment base has a compressed size only a few bytes bigger than the existing comment base, then it adds nothing and can be hidden.]
“We need to support conversations, thus need to have different and distinct reply links, reply-to links, and approvals”
“we lack an environment useful for conversations about orders, payments, and receipts, which is going to need integration with the payments and accounting system”
“A conversation between two people is an encrypted immutable authenticated but unsigned data structure shared between two parties,”
“The infrastructure proposed in Anonymous Multi-Hop Locks for lightning network transactions is also private room infrastructure, so we should implement private rooms on that model.
In order to do money over a private room, you need a reliable broadcast channel, so that Bob cannot organize a private room with Ann and Carol, and make Ann see one three party transaction, and Carol see a different three party transaction.
In this context, a broadcast channel is reliable if each of the participants can know that all the other participants saw the message, or knows that the room crashed and the conversation failed to complete.”
“You then use symmetric encryption with that shared secret. And then, over the encrypted connection, set up a shared secret based on both the durable public and private keys, and the transient keys. So you now have, for each pair of participants, a shared secret that depends on both parties durable and transient keys. Possession of the shared secret proves you know the secret key corresponding to your public key, and you get perfect forward secrecy because the shared secret and the transient keys are abandoned when there is no further action in the private room.”
That’s about as far as I’ve gone through it so far.
Google’s algorithm is a network analysis algorithm. I discuss network algorithms on my web page, but I am no expert. One of my sons is an expert, and I have not asked him what he thinks of my ramblings.
Very interesting. I should say I’m a dilettante on all comp. sci., and not even that on hash trees, crypto, network algorithms etc., but am interested in compression (esp. with side information), compressed sensing and dimension reduction.
Clustering by Compression is interesting and general.
Perhaps there is a possible system where people could bet on Steve Jobs the person decades in advance, before he is CEO, so that if he ends up one day in demand for high level technical or executive positions, your token value goes up. The bets themselves could serve as a signal towards others to hire such a man and assign him projects to lead. It would of course need to be designed not to be gamable by collusion with employers. Maybe it is as simple as every digital id automatically minting and selling its own coin
Or you could’ve dumped SGI stock and bought NeXT Computer shares.
Monetising my predictions is something I learned very late in life (but not too late lol).
There a rumors India will implement a two-child policy.
@jim
What is a ‘shill test’?
Can you say things, or notice other people saying things, that someone under the supervision of our enemies could not say.
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=site%3Ablog.reaction.la+shill+test
Let us start with the Soros test.
Where did Soros get his money, what evil things has he been doing in America, what evil things has he been doing abroad?
https://blog.reaction.la/science/the-spike-protein-is-cytotoxic/#comment-2738548
https://blog.reaction.la/science/the-spike-protein-is-cytotoxic/#comment-2737769
And then, the women question test.
Tell us why Mohammed is right about women.
You take a random fragment of significant international news that is of relevance to our discussion, and arbitrarily stick Israel into the story. Nah, Israel is somehow involved in lots of things, but it is probably not involved in that thing, and if it is you have no more knowledge that it is than anyone else does.
Thought this video did a good job summarizing the whole “people feel entitled to elite status because they got a liberal arts degree” phenomenon that comes up here all the time: https://youtu.be/7F1J8HhLzU0
When someone says ‘you need to be able to recruit new elites’ they’re kicking the can down the road; what you need is elites *who have children*, and thus make more elites.
Elite production in this manner is good and great, since it produces downwards mobility, which is a key ingredient for elevating the blood of a nation, and productive competition in general, and also produces a class of officers willing to embark upon Adventures for a chance at glory, essential for conquering dirty barbarians and expanding lebensraum to the stars.
The character of rhetorical exhortations like ‘you need to have immigration/open entry to the priesthood/[insert entryism here], because otherwise how else will you get (((new ideas)))?’, is a quintessential projection of solipsistic minds; the only ideas these sorts of people ever have are ideas that came from someone else. Not only are they not capable of world-formation in thinking, *they cannot even imagine what it could be like as a possibility of such a thing*.
More esoterically, one may see the offspring of congenital solipsism as expressed in ideological forms as nominalism; in such exclusively privileged emphasis on ideas that are always new, *different*, in particular, from anything that might have come before, as it can see no such thing as anything more than contingent truth; implicitly betraying a weltanshauung that is incapable of realizing greater scopes of order in a creation that moves in accordance with natural law. A mind that can never escape living in the eternal Current Year; where every year is Year Zero; where any situation is always Unique and Unprecedented, and thus always requires Unique and Unprecedented solutions; where no tasks, concerns, or objectives, apprehended in the schizoaffected kaleidoscope of it’s perception, can be found to have any relationship with any other shard that might pass through it’s skein.
Training smart people to be stupid.
Stupid people do this easily, thus we wind up selecting our elite for stupidity.
Magian.
Good students in school should get good jobs or else the school is just being used as a replacement for family. The increase in salary and reproductive ability for good students should be of greater utility than the “spawning pool” free daycare effect schools have for the underclass. Otherwise, you end up like South Africa. Whites and Asians are devastated by compulsory schooling, while blacks and Hispanics see a relative and often absolute increase in fertility.
Any change to the current system would be an injustice if anyone who went through it didn’t have his work honored. Reaction, unlike revolution, always makes sure the outer party types are treated fairly, the warriors and priests even if not the bishops. The merchants and grunts can sod off because they get what they want from the schools, a family replacement institution, but they need to be put in their place by their betters and their fertility rate should relatively suffer for it.
I’d like to abolish schools just like I’d like to retake Constantinople. But we have to work with what we have for now. And I’m forced to side with the brahmins because I was forced into school and they’re my people now, even if I liked playing with construction toys as a toddler.
Good students in school should not damn well get jobs at all, they should starve until adequately motivated to become hewers of wood and drawers of water, because we have far too many people spending far too long at school, resulting in massive elite overproduction.
We should have enforceable apprenticeship, the jobs should go to those that successfully graduate apprenticeship, and the good jobs to those went to good apprenticeships and did well in those apprenticeships.
Someone who has never had a checkbook and has no idea about money signs on the dotted line for one hundred thousand in student debt, learns all about the horrible evils of being white and male, how all our nice things were stolen from the brave warrior women of subsaran Africa, then graduates thinking he is entitled to be one of the elite.
They cannot all be in the elite, so we get massive overproduction of would be elites, leading to ignorant stupid people making trouble, and you are one of them.
But you are not proposing to work with what we have. You propose to smash the entire economy, so that everything is school forever. Academia is a wrecking ball, and you think it can fullfill its empty promises if it can wreck everything. Your program is far more radical than I propose. I propose to make women property, you propose to make the means of production cease to be property.
Universities produce priests. They don’t produce scientists, they don’t produce engineers, they don’t produce entrepreneurs. The official state religion only needs a tiny number of priests, and if you produce more than that, the surplus is going to make trouble.
Out of curiosity, do you just assume all the smart crowd already knows that medical school is best attended overseas, like 19th century Prussia used to be for serious academics?
And why is it so hard to make a particular “generation” of students exposed to known ideas in schooling a protected class? It makes more sense than the racial and sexual identity politics business that has seen so much success.
Extended schooling, beyond reading, writing, and arithmetic, has been a scam and a ponzi scheme from the beginning. No one deserves a payout for participating in a ponzi scheme. Those who did get a payout deserve punishment, and those that did not get a payout deserve no payout.
Most Ponzi schemes don’t start out that way. People who get into them early, but not too early, are the most innocent. But the last suckers in a Ponzi scheme are almost as guilty as the ones who started it.
C’mon Jim. No modern economy can work like that. You do need more than reading and writing, and the effects of compulsory education on economic development are well established in the economic literature. I agree that too many people are going to college nowadays, 20% should be the hard maximum. But your position is just unreasonable.
It amazes me how someone so sharp and insightful in most issues can be so stubborn when it comes to education.
And more importantly, it is dangerous advice. Personally, if I have a decent job it is because I jumped through the loops and got my degree. If I didn’t, I would probably be stuck in minimum-wage hell.
I refused the hoop jumping, dropped out, started my own business in a completely unrelated field. I now make above minimum wage, enjoy what I do, and even get to be my woman’s boss.
Am I an outlier? Was I lucky? Maybe, who knows. All I know is Gnon has smiled on me for taking this advice.
If you’re smart enough to follow the discussions in the comments here, chances are you’re smart enough to escape minimum wage hell.
Don’t think you are an outlier, but it has to be noted that you run your own business. You don’t earn a wage at all. Tsymbal earns a wage and is happy with that. Without it his hoop-jumping it might well be minimum wage.
I have noted that credentialism is a lot different for business and employee. If somebody applies for a job, people ask for certificates from schools, if he applies to do the job as a representative of a limited liability company or independent contractor, they don’t.
You’re not really an outlier and you weren’t just lucky. You’re one of millions of adamant modern yeomen that still remain and refuse to kneel like wagecuck drones do and every single one of us earned it and earns it every day since we are actually the main pillar of value creation in our societies. The most red pilled and functional demographic sector of society remaining is made up of the self employed and non-corporative business owners.
Compulsory reading and writing is clearly useful, teaching kids stuff that everyone knows, that everyone should know, is useful.
Vocational training by academics is not useful, because a computer science professor will not teach you how to be an engineer, because he does not know how to be an engineer but how to be a computer science professor.
We don’t have enforceable apprenticeship any more, but in practice, job related skills are primarily acquired on the job.
The abolition of enforceable apprenticeship led to massive and obvious decline in job related skills. Knowledge gets lost. The transmission of vocational knowledge visibly and obviously deteriorated.
“C’mon Jim. No modern economy can work like that. You do need more than reading and writing, and the effects of compulsory education on economic development are well established in the economic literature. I agree that too many people are going to college nowadays, 20% should be the hard maximum. But your position is just unreasonable.”
“The economic literature” – asking turkeys to vote for Christmas.
The country with the greatest proportion of workers with higher education is Russia, a legacy of the Soviet system. The former Warsaw Pact countries all have the most ‘educated’ work forces in Europe. Meanwhile in West Germany, until recently only about 5% of people went to university. Most people took on an apprenticeship like jim is describing. Japan pretends to have higher education, but Japanese people notoriously don’t do anything at university. Are Germany and Japan more successful economically than Romania? How is this possible?
There is a weak correlation between school-education and economic success only because truly poor countries can’t afford to waste that kind of money.
“And more importantly, it is dangerous advice. Personally, if I have a decent job it is because I jumped through the loops and got my degree. If I didn’t, I would probably be stuck in minimum-wage hell.””
Many such cases. But your inclination to compliance – which is indeed valuable to employers – is an attribute of you, not something created by education. You could also have signaled it by completing your apprenticeship with a perfect record.
Imagine thinking schools teach things well.
Schools are good at creating dispirited mindless drones, thats it and thats all.
With the resources available, I’d say to a 90s level, there’s nothing taught in state mandated schools that can’t be taught at home. What little benefit mass education may have had is far outweighed by the unavoidable progressive payload.
“C’mon Jim. No modern economy can work like that. You do need more than reading and writing, ….”
I believe Jim has also made the following points. Schooling in particular valuable skills is also worthwhile, beyond mere reading and writing. Even then, a lot of what you learn in an engineering school is the mindset needed to approach real world problems, and how to acquire and develop more knowledge as needed. In short, almost everything you really need to know, you learn after you graduate, but you wouldn’t have been able to learn those things had you not graduated.
I just don’t see it. What I see is that a degree in computer science is almost irrelevant.
If you are hiring a graduate, no one cares if his degree was in computer science or high energy relativistic physics. They care about the reputation of his school for enforcing religious orthodoxy. In actual practice no one, not even human resources, acts as if “you wouldn’t have been able to learn those things had you not graduated.”
In the early days, there was no such thing as computer science. Everyone in software engineering was self taught.
All useful resources on how to do engineering in general are non academic, though academic papers on specific algorithms are often valuable. Ninety percent of academic research on algorithms is crap, but most good research on algorithms is academic. All useful tutorials are non academic, and their academic equivalents are useless.
Someone can graduate with a degree from an elite institution in engineering, and be completely useless – or, as the Challenger Inquiry revealed, not merely useless, but quite dangerous.
All graduates need further training on the job, unless they have educated themselves in engineering independently of the institution.
In recruiting I don’t see, and I don’t see anyone except human resources, worrying about degrees. They worry about experience in doing similar things.
If someone has experience, and no degree, he is fine except for human resources getting in the way.
The preference for degreed applicants is similar to the old establishment Anglican policy of only giving state and quasi state jobs to Anglicans – except applied to fields where such a policy has no benefit.
If someone has a degree and no experience, and human resources sticks you with him, you are likely to have a problem.
From experience, I can say that an academic degree in computing is almost irrelevant to your ability to learn engineering. Unfortunately it is quite relevant to your ability to get a job.
I have an advanced degree. It has never been of any use, or given me any substantial benefit. I learned some interesting and important things, but as vocational training, utterly irrelevant.
When I interview someone, their degree is still irrelevant. Furthermore, even human resources does not really care if you have a degree in computer science. They care if you have a degree.
Just as revealed behavior shows people don’t actually believe sexual harassment charges in real world way, but only as a religious observance, revealed behavior shows that people don’t actually believe that a degree in computer science is actually relevant to engineering, but rather a religious observance.
Actual observed hiring behavior only makes sense as religious observance, not vocational training.
A degree in physics is quite useful for getting a engineering job, and an advanced degree even better, but absolutely no one cares what field of physics the degree was in. A degree in seventeenth century hermeneutic seventeenth century lesbian basketweaving less useful, but still quite useful.
It is similar to sexual harassment charges. No one actually believes that the woman was sexually harassed. They believe that she is distressed, and they are required to care about her distress, and do something about it. What the male in fact did is irrelevant. And the more conspicuously they care about her distress, the less they care about the male’s actual behavior. Similarly, the more they care about a degree, the less they care about ability to actually do the job and the less they care about whether the project will succeed.
Degrees are, in actual practice, a religious observance. We should only require religious observance for state and quasi state jobs. When the reaction is in power, to get a state or quasi statal job that performs priestly functions, you will need a degree – probably from Harvard or Yale, assuming we do not need to raze them to the ground and build a new Harvard and a new Yale somewhere as far away as possible from the originals, with a great Cathedral at their center. To get a job that has state or quasi state power but does not have priestly functions, you will need to attend a good Church from time to time, though a degree from Harvard or Yale will be helpful. For the rest, an apprenticeship will be helpful. A degree is unlikely to be helpful. For the officer class, the top officers will have attended a prestigious school to age sixteen or so, where the eminent qualification will be having been a good team player on the sportsfield and good sportsmanlike conduct as judged by one’s peers, rather than academic accreditation. The school will, as now, inculcate the national state religion, but the officer class will not be expected to have paid much attention, unlike now. No one will care very much about the priestly caste at that school certifying that the candidate paid careful attention to the state religion, unlike now.
All schools will impose team sports on everyone, and some quasi military scout type activities, with rather more emphasis on lethality than the boy scouts taught, and one’s future prospects in getting a job with one’s peers from that school will be substantially affected by how one’s peers judge one’s sportsmanlike qualities.
I wrote:
“… In short, almost everything you really need to know, you learn after you graduate, but you wouldn’t have been able to learn those things had you not graduated.”
Jim wrote:
“I just don’t see it. What I see is that a degree in computer science is almost irrelevant.”
I overstated the case. It’s not that you wouldn’t have been able to learn those skills without the technical degree. However, an excellent professor in a serious college can put a student on a fast track to acquiring valuable concepts, skills, and discipline. I can think of several such professors in my life, who threw me into the deep end of the pool.
@f6187
If I understand correctly, your point is that an excellent professor will enable a student to learn faster or better than an autodidact.
Nobody argues that skills are (or should be) self-tought. The relevant comparison is an experienced engineer teaching an apprentice or junior engineer.
Why do you think that a professor at a college or university can teach better than an experienced engineer working in the field?
To demonstrate your point, you may replace engineer with scientist, physician, attorney, etc.
Baiscally, everybody learns best from someone who has the relevant knowledge. People who apply that knowledge necessarily have better knowledge than people who never apply it.
What can the professor do that the experienced engineer working in the field can’t do?
Late to the party here, but i have a testimony on the matter. I learned to code, worked at some rather large projects, before going to computer science engineering university, which i did because i thought i wanted to work at google deepmind.
I’m way better, but still piss poor, at mathematics now.
I also learned some very basic haskell, which i certainly wouldn’t have otherways, and it is a sort of fundamentally interesting paradigm.
Big but,
I am not a single iota better at coding or working as a software engineer than i was before i started. And with the 100 graduating classmates of mine, i have a pretty reasonable sample size to conclude that not a single one of them learned a single thing that actually helps with writing software, especially that they couldn’t have learned better and faster on the job.
If all those 19 year olds didnt spend 5 years at uni, they would have had the same competency and salary and no debt in 2.
University is socialization into the fraternity of the cathedral by drinking and fucking and making the motions of learning, and if you want to do some learning meanwhile, hey, you do you buddy. But it’s not why anyone is there.
Firefox is suggesting this video to the normies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8yP0Rd6z00
Summary: China has a dire shortage of skilled workers and a dire surplus of college graduates. The Party knows that nine million college graduates per year is far too many, but even modest attempts to reduce this number provoke mass demonstrations by kids who want to go to college and their parents.
They should have the means to propagandize college into being lower status than what they need.
>…if anyone who went through it didn’t have his work honored.
What work?
For one, enough homework to prevent any student from getting a part time job, unless he could do with 5 hours of sleep a night. Mostly forced memorization, even in math classes where the “ideal” proof had to be memorized. This was true for K-12 as much as college.
Strict schooling and grading is a form of work that isn’t fairly recognized. The softer liberal schools do less damage when you think about it.
Science classes at a liberal arts school might be the worst of all worlds…
But this work is unproductive and worthless, so should not be rewarded, and does not deserve reward.
And who is going to pay for this reward? It is those who are guilty of being actually productive, because there is no one else to pay for it.
The problem is not that people who comply with the Cathedral are being wicked. They are, but they are not wicked people. The problem is that the Cathedral is imposing compliance, and this compliance is both destructive and self destructive.
You use our shibboleths, but propose as public and collective measures a strengthening of enforcement of Cathedral compliance, rather than a reduction. In so doing, you corrupt the meaning of our shibboleths, impeding communication, rather than communicating.
> But this work is unproductive and worthless, so should not be rewarded, and does not deserve reward.
This. I’m not ashamed of my humanities degree. I’m actually one of those (possibly) rare scholars that understands I have no place in the halls of practical application. I enjoy my studies, I think I do good work, and I hope one day my areas of study find their proper home, sequestered away, unpaid, purely done for pure purpose. 90% of the “work” I did was worthless, and 9% was detrimental. 1%, maybe, helped me get better at coherence in writing. Anyone who went to university is a sucker. Anyone who thinks they deserve a reward for being a sucker deserves a beating, or worse.
Here’s something your marxian schoolmarms never told you: there’s nothing in life that’s easier than sweating. Labour is the least valuable part of any civilized endeavor, it’s everything else, like organization, that is hard.
If i paid you 80 bucks to help me move a set of bookshelfs from one building to another, and you instead spent a week driving those bookshelfs to Guadalahara instead, im not paying you anything (rather, i’d sue you for damages even), because im not saying you to sweat, im paying you *to do a job*.
Having gone through this process I can sympathize with your frustrations. However, memorizing facts and data for untold hours is worthless and not applicable to the real world unless one wishes to work a low-status job.
Cramming math “proofs†for a test the night before is analogous to a janitor learning the right combination of soaps and brushes prior to cleaning the airport bathroom, only that the latter provides value and the former does not. High-level work, problem solving, is based on one’s intelligence, which is why it is not taught in modern education.
As an admission I am not the least bit shy about mentioning my alma-mater to others because of the status and respect it entails, but almost all of what I learned was worthless and I never pretend otherwise. In the words of Mark Twain, “I have never let my schooling interfere with my education.â€
Elon Musk understands the difference between schooling and education, as illustrated in one of his school’s principles, “teach to the problem, not to the tools.â€
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STt0dpgn900
Hey TC, fire up the chopper. This one has to go.
“Good students in school should get good jobs or else the school is just being used as a replacement for family.”
Surprise surprise, but that’s what the school was created for. What the founders of the modern school are talking about directly. If a person is not sent 6 days a week to strangers, instill “patriotism” destroying true patriotism (loyalty to one’s family and locality).
This is also the reason why we need patriarchy. Women should stay at home.
“because I was forced into school and they’re my people now”
Ask your parents questions. dozens of countries around the world allow home education.
You’re getting closer, but this is still weak garbage. Vlad the Impaler and his brother, Radu, were both held as hostages by the Turks for years of their boyhood. Radu served them as their willing tool in adulthood, while Vlad became their greatest enemy. Which one do you admire? Which one do you want to be?
The progs destroyed your life and your prospects with their ridiculous self-serving credentialing system, and now you call them “your people?” Pathetic.
What websites do you like for alternative news? I want to keep up to date on changes in the United States and around the world.
Wow: “measures to address the problem of identifying likely cooperators, and persuading people that you will cooperate, and figuring out what constitutes cooperation.”
Beyond the virtue of cooperating with good people oneself, and working to better oneself, such measures would seem to me to be just about the sum total of the wisdom I would want for myself in this life and that I would like to pass on to my children.
Any sources rich with such wisdom?
Yes and no.
Christians wrote a lot of stuff on this issue, but did not address it from within the frame of Game Theory, and in the modern environment, where old Christian words have been given satanic and inverted meanings, their writings are difficult to comprehend. We have lost the wisdom that used to exist on this issue, and it is not easy to recover, even if you read old sources.
I briefly describe how I address this issue in real life from time to time in the comments, but have not posted on it and any length. I guess I need to post on it.
No one was really applying Game Theory to human affairs until the Pick Up Artist community started applying evolutionary game theory to the mating dance, and the pick up artists did so from within the frame of always operating in defect/defect. (It is important to realize that you always start out in defect/defect unless a woman is abducted or assigned by her patriarch. Romantic love is defection, the classic examples being Lancelot and Queen Guinevere.)
Constant briefly addresses the issue that the definitions of good and evil need to be public and the subject of social consensus.
This obviously has the problem that the definition is likely to be destructively manipulated.
So, as an individual, you have to announce commitment to and reference an older definition. Much older.
I address this briefly from time to time in the comments, and I addressed it at somewhat greater length in the Logos Has Risen.
If I want to persuade a contractor that I will pay promptly on completion of inspection, and will make appropriate progress payments from time to time, I reference old testament on prompt payment, “At his day thou shalt give him his hire, neither shall the sun go down upon it” and then say “I interpret this as …”
And similarly, when I want to tell my wife my expectations of how our relationship should be, I quote Saint Paul.
In this day and age, demons, whether they be real or metaphorical, still tend to turn their tails and flee from the cross.
What does it mean to say that a merely metaphorical demon turns its tail and flees? It means that when their is a conflict between current year morality, and the morality that you in fact follow, and you explicitly reference the older tradition, the interlocutor who wants to impose the current year consensus on you is unmanned.
It’s amazing to watch Jim’s only the elites matter theory of history play out in real time. Without elite push back the first amendment died this week. Plenty of regular people are upset, but without elite voices they can’t coordinate. There’s not much of our civil religion left.
Will be interesting to see what happens in France, Greece, Cyprus, and others engaging in massive protest against covid passport. Unfortunately, if the last year or two has taught us anything, it’s that even small, violent, unsympathetic protests can be extremely effective if they have elite backing, whereas even massive, prolonged, peaceful, sympathetic protest can be completely ineffective if no elite backing.
Protest doesn’t work for the right.
I don’t have my ear close to French politics, but I get the impression that anti-vax passport is not a purely left-right issue there, though I’m sure it’s more right than left. I understand why it may not work without elite backing, but I’m not entirely sure why it would not work for “the right” in general.
In HK, for example, the protests were very much not understood as “rightwing”–rather more the opposite. But the important point was that they were fighting not just their local government but Beijing as well, I suppose.
If millions are on the streets for weeks it might work (especially given that the French armies tendency to go over to street protestors historically)…
There is such a thing as backing everyone into a corner at once.
I hope so but so far, I’m not seeing it.
Reactionary regime change looks like Caesar, Pinochet, and Napoleon not mass Revolution in the streets. Revolution is a left wing word. Thinking yourself as a revolutionary when in reality you are reactionary can lead to disastrous consequences as the 1/6 capital protestors found out.
I don’t think 1/6 was primarily about reactionaries mistaking themselves for revolutionaries so much as an expression of frustration that the feedback mechanism conservatives have historically been content to rely upon, namely the ballot box, had been revealed as useless.
If elections can be stolen and, more importantly, if a large share of conservatives come to believe voting is an ineffective means of registering discontent, that is a huge shift from the historical norm of living memory, if not much longer. That does not mean, of course, that adopting the tactics that work for the left will work for the right, but it is a big deal.
The change is one of the elites no longer using voting to decide disagreements between them.
The blow to the public is spiritual in nature, with the demise of voting the American civic religion is largely dead, while the state sponsored Demon worshiping religion is growing in power and size.
There is a difference between reactionary revolution and leftist rebellion. I knew people on the 6th that if Trump gave the word were going to take and hold the state capitals. All he needed to do was say the word and there would have been small armies holding 30-40 state capitals. That is how a right-wing revolution is done. The elite calls out the militia and commands them. It would not have been masses in the streets, but small units cohering into armies to serve the sovereign’s will.
Is there even 1 historical example of right-wing revolution like this? I’m not finding it. Looks to me reactionary regime change looks more like Caesar marching into Rome with an army of professionals at his back.
In the events preceding Julius Caesar, people did call out a militia, which events eventually escalated into Caesar marching into Rome.
From Julius Caesar onward, it was all regular army.
Leftists, as in the French Revolution, quite regularly call out a militia, and we really have not seen the right call out a militia in modern times. But in the current situation, calling out the militia would have worked for the right. It has been done before, though not in modern times, and could be done again.
Caesar called out the militia, but only after he marched into Rome with his army of regulars. The army of regulars was key, even though it was only a single legion.
We were all trying to count how many legions Trump had in the military. Well, it turns out he had none and the military is entirely woke.
Protest works perfectly well for the right the same way it works perfectly well for the left.
Which is to say, when elite send out militia (usually filtered through proxies and astroturf in the case of occulted demotist elites), and make the word known they have license to violate the NAP of target demographics, and send in their own their housecarls to punish anyone who might attack the militia (especially if they are target demographics), the apparatus naturally comes out on top.
The fabian theater of conjuring up a ‘demanding people’ the elite will then ‘surrender’ to, as a pretext to implement the policies they were wanting to implement in the first place, is something you won’t see in a sane regime where the feudal hierarchies are made explicit, but then we are starting to speak of more special cases.
TL;DR never was there a lynched nog who didn’t dearly deserve it.
As I am fond of saying, if in all of America, and all of American history, there was one nog lynched who did not deserve it, that nog would be the poster boy rather than Emmett Till
So what determines when something becomes a holiness spiral?
For example, with covid, while it’s clear the CCP waged a propaganda campaign on behalf of their authoritarian, surveillance-state approach, it isn’t entirely clear why we got a scenario where politicians could only be blamed for errors in one direction (not strict enough).
Once you get a situation where people in power can only be blamed for errors in one direction purity spiral is inevitable, but it isn’t entirely clear to me why that became the case with covid. For example, it’s not like there was no pushback from doctors, demonstrators, libertarian-ish politicians, etc. against the corona-doomers, yet somehow the corona-doom worldview became the dominant one such that, seemingly the powerful could only get in trouble for insufficient corona-doom, not excessive corona-doom. How did this happen?
For example, one can imagine a hypothetical where social welfare programs spiral completely out of control so that the whole budget is inflated away into ever-growing UBI payments but the politicians erring on the side of too generous never get in trouble whereas those erring on the side of austerity do, yet that, so far, has not happened. Why?
>So what determines when something becomes a holiness spiral?
If people are looking for ways to out holy each other week by week, it’s a holiness spiral.
>For example, one can imagine a hypothetical where social welfare programs spiral completely out of control so that the whole budget is inflated away into ever-growing UBI payments but the politicians erring on the side of too generous never get in trouble whereas those erring on the side of austerity do, yet that, so far, has not happened. Why?
Happened in the 70s. But elections still mattered and Regan got into power and shutdown inflation.
It might happen again shortly but this time elections don’t matter.
The COVID spiral was necessary to get rid of Trump, so all the priesthood pushed it. They also noticed it they could gain an amazing amount of power with it, so they pushed even harder. Today it’s being used as the basis to abolish free speech once and for all for the benefit of the dictatorship.
There is a large element of sheer randomness.
If people could predict what they will be holiness spiraling on tomorrow, they would be holiness spiraling on it today.
Leftism has no essence. It is like women’s fashions.
There’s some command and control going on as well, mostly via cutting off media coverage and then sending the cops in as they’re doing in LA with the Spa thing right now. But the amount of spiraling going on the direction of the spiraling seems to be increasing.
There’s some command and control going on as well, mostly via cutting off media coverage and then sending the cops in as they’re doing in LA with the Spa thing right now. But the amount of spiraling going on the direction of the spiraling seems to be increasing.
I will say that I experienced the seeds of the covid spiral as early as 2009, when I was quarantined in China after having caught the swine flu, most likely on the plane to Shanghai. I was required to live in a hospital until my fever was gone for 24-48 hours (took 5 days total), which is nothing compared to the treatment of even wholly asymptomatic, vaccinated travelers with negative tests today, of course, but the draconian approach to testing, wearing space suits to clear out my whole hotel, etc. was already in evidence.
The disturbing phenomenon that is coming into focus for me relatively recently is how, when an authoritarian regime increases communication with a less authoritarian regime, the result is not always freedom contagion among the citizens of the more authoritarian regime, a pleasant fiction Americans learned from the Cold War. Rather, as we are seeing now, there may be contagion from the more authoritarian politicians to the less if e.g. demands for safety can be made to trump demands for freedom.
Sadly, the real lesson of the Cold War might be that material prosperity inspires envy, not freedom inspires envy.
Holiness spiraling is fundamentally about status. Some priest gains status by doing something and other priests start piling on doing the same thing but harder. Disease is low status. “Curing†disease with “science†is high status. I suppose it was just a matter of time before the Cathedral priesthood started holiness spiraling on that.
Nah, if you compare China with the West, it’s not authoritarian and less authoritarian regimes. Instead it’s authoritarian and anarch-tyrannical regimes.
At least in Western Europe, draconian meassures were enforced only against the civilized part of the population. The Western governments hate their white population and will glady accept any pretense to make them suffer.
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No Child Left behind was leftist holiness spiraling, not conservative holiness spiraling. It was not excessively high standards, but radical further lowering of academic standards.
It was accreditation for everyone, everyone’s a winner, blacks only underperform for lack of self esteem, so the state must further raise their self esteem by making all accreditation worthless.
Private business does not work the way you describe, and only someone who has never done a day of productive work in his life would imagine that private businesses work as you describe.
Socialist housing has repeatedly been tried, with the usual results of such measures, and it has been tried most vigorously and most persistently in New York, with effects similar to urban bombing in World War II.
PJ O’Rourke visited Beirut shortly after the worse part of the civil war, and concluded that people living in the ruins of Beirut had it better than people in New York living in socialist housing.
I still don’t know how Bush II beat Pat Buchanan…
If not for participation trophies the Chinese would absolutely own the elite institutions because their students get outside help like Confucius Institutes and study groups for themselves to win an unfair advantage. Declaring everyone a winner is less of a lie than a fake meritocracy. Academia is a contest between liberal cheaters and leftists declaring everyone equal in legitimate self defense (even if many of them quietly know better, especially the You Know Who’s), but all that is certain is that conservatives consistently lose, but still force their children into school anyway and still pay to keep the system running. Anyone with intelligence needs to learn liberalism, leftism, or Chinese.
The revolving door corruption machine is a real thing in private business and it is clearly morally wrong and impoverishing. The ideal corporate elite model where there’s instead a one way valve for government workers to become the “officers” and mail room wage slaves to become “NCO’s” is how things ought to be run. Anything else just results in feedback and both government and business being bled by leeches.
Socializing housing actually makes the economy as a whole LESS socialist because it frees up more capital for legitimate businesses, besides the obvious benefits to affordable family formation. The failures of socialist housing are reverse Potemkin villages meant to falsely discredit a good idea.
Elite backing in grossly rigged Republican primaries. Trump’s election was the first legitimate Republican primary win a very long time, and likely the last. If we ever have a legitimate election result again, it will only be through measures similar to those deployed by Julius Caesar and the NSDAP.
Outside help to perform meaningless memorization tasks is a perfectly fair advantage.
Further, I have worked with Chinese engineers quite a bit and they are superb at memorizing things without understanding them, and therefore should perform substantially better in academic computer “science”, even though they perform substantially worse at some engineering tasks.
Right now the Chinese government is attempting to implement Opal to protect itself from the NSA powning the communist party’s computers, but, alas, it is being implemented by Chinese engineers – implemented absolutely correctly according the Opal specification, but probably not correctly according to the intent and spirit of the specification, the intent and spirit of the specification being to prevent a hostile party from powning your computers.
Chinese are genetically superior to whites at meaningless academic memorization, due to a couple of thousand years of the mandarinate system.
The *regulatory* revolving door is the corruption machine. It is government corruption, not private corruption. When I pay obscene amounts of money to a “””consultant””” in order to get regulatory approval of some private action, I am not being corrupt, I am being shaken down by corrupt regulators. The bureaucrat’s lawyer had a chat to my lawyer, who told me to give the “””consultant””” a pile of money. The fix is to abolish regulation and imprison strangely wealthy regulators, not to change private business.
When MF Global appointed Jon Corzine CEO of MF Global through revolving door, Jon Corzine being a senior politician and powerful regulator, it was the investors in MF Global who got burned. It was a shakedown of investors by politicians and regulators. Those who made him CEO were not corrupt, they were screwed by politicians and regulators who saw their big pile of cash sitting around and wanted some. Making a top regulator CEO did not give MF Global an unfair advantage, it was capitulation to an unfair disadvantage. We should have shot Jon Corzine when the money went missing.
We did the right thing when Carrian Group’s money went missing. That is what we should have done when MF Global’s money went missing.
Been tried thousands of times over the past two thousand years, with always the same result.
New York has been engaged in socialist housing over last eighty years. It would have been less destructive to spend the money on high altitude area bombing of New York.
>Socializing housing actually makes the economy as a whole LESS socialist because it frees up more capital for legitimate businesses
What do you think ‘capital’ is? where do you think it comes from?
‘Socialized housing’ has one party appropriating surplus capital from another party – the legitimate businesses – in order to ‘socialize’ the housing in the first place, which is literally what ‘socializing’ means.
There’s a special kind of retardation that comes from being educated stupid.
‘We need to raise taxes so the state can do stuff; how else will we put money to work?’
The solipsistic progroid, having no capacity for world-formation in general, in particular here has no model for ‘businesses’ as entities that actually do anything in a society, that actually perform functions that constitute the powers of a society. Has no concept of how *other people other than themselves* should – or even *could* – be doing things by their own hands.
It’s view of a ‘business’ is like it’s view of a pile of gold; and it’s view of ‘business owners’, as like someone simply sitting on top of a pile of gold. ‘Pay your share’.
Coronadoom grew legs and spiraled because it was convenient for relative power.
Specifically, for people opposed to real americans in general, and Donald Trump in particular, wishing for power over real americans in general, and Donald Trump in particular.
I don’t tend to go in for the “long game conspiracy” depopulation agenda NWO-type stuff, but this Madonna video from May 2019 has frankly freaked me out a bit, especially given the back cover of her new “Madame X” album has a typewriter with the word CORONA written prominently on it: https://youtu.be/VG3WkiL0d_U
Is there more sinister planning than we think or is Madonna just really lucky this time with her love of weirdo symbolism?
Seems Corona is a real brand of typewriter featured in many creepy movies. Though that doesn’t explain the choice to put a typewriter (Tom Hanks’s favorite toy??) on the back of the album. Of course, there is probably an extent to which these Holywood types just like to troll people as well, but still…
Eurovision song contest is a religious celebration and ritual of the Euro Church of Harvard.
This is an explicitly religious, and explicitly satanic video in an implicitly religious celebration. It begins with Madonna wearing black priestly robes, surrounded by hooded monks, and her priestly vestments decorated with a big X and an image of the dragon.
But interpreting the reference as being to Corona is a long stretch. Rather the Satanic elements in the video prefigure the Satanic elements in the worship of Corona chan.
It is not that Madonna was informed in advance of the coming worship of the holy Corona demon. Rather that the video is a celebration of the same Satanism
Boy these people are creepy. I guess right now it feels very important to me to figure out some clearer sense of how much of the current evil is really sinister, great reset, globalist plotting and how much is just stupidity, opportunism, holiness spiral incentives, etc. Typically I lean much more toward the latter, but the massive uptick in Extinction Rebellion-type symbolism, along with statements by Klaus Schwab, etc. all make me wonder a bit more about the former.
Of course, with everyone talking about supposedly deadly disease all the time, it is to be expected and I still tend more toward endorsing the view expressed in this Twitter thread https://twitter.com/eugyppius1/status/1416792181646544908
But thinking about that Georgia depopulation monument and the type of creepy, misanthropic globalism embraced by elites and promoted by Thunberg, etc. makes me uneasy, especially as I soon have to make a decision about whether to get a Chinese whole virus vaccine to make certain travel plans easier or to continue to hold out.
Would you say that the Church of Harvard’s recent (?) embrace of explicitly Satanist-type imagery is just the latest step in the fashion cycle of trying to be transgressive to pwn the squares? That is, now that mere atheism no longer shocks people, these types paradoxically have to explicitly embrace demon worship to continue to upset the sensibilities of regular people and, therefore, differentiate themselves from the plebs?
Satanism goes a very long way back. We would expect it to come further and further up front as leftism goes further and further left. We are so far post Christian that it is unlikely to shock any plebs under ninety, so, probably not transgressive to shock the plebs. It just that the masses need religious observance and religious festivals, and Satanism is all that elites have.
They see people hungry for bread, and all they have is stones, so feed them stones.
Rituals like Christmas, graduation and the investment of a professor used to be explicitly Christian religious. They purged all the religious elements, and left people hungry.
“This is an explicitly religious, and explicitly satanic video”
Madonna does a lot of those… its too bad once a long time ago her music was actually good. When braindead thots defend Cardi B I go shes a horrible bitch personally, a shitlib, a horrible influence personally who is deliberately a horrible influence… but that I could forgive all of that because Madonna was the same thing… except Madonna’s music at least used to be good while Cardi B’s “music” is awful.
Here you go to everyone who said South Africa won’t be our future:
https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1417580223059480582?s=20
Yes they plan to import 300+ million Africans to murder every non nigger in the country. We’ve known this for a long time now. I’m going to relish what they do to blue areas and the leftist shitheads who live there. Cominator’s wants to kill all the leftists, but with millions of imported niggers we won’t have to anything besides mop up after they’re doing murdering their masters.
I’ve watched the combat ability of blacks for a long time now. It’s garbage. The problem is the few remaining competent whites in charge in DC and their idiot white footmen, who I predict they’ll quickly replace with their nigger army. When the last competent white combat solider is kicked out of the armed forces, DC will easily fall to even a small elite led white rebellion.
The video is almost comical. Like Aidan said previously, if it gets to that point, just mere ability to defend your own territory from being overrun in a sea of non-militarily capable anarchy is essentially as good as conquering.
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