Denazifying the Ukraine at Pokrovsk

According the PBS Frontline report, the Russians are dying like flies and losing equipment at a stupendous rate, yet strangely, they have a lot more volunteers and a lot more equipment than they did a year ago, while the Ukrainian army is shrinking dramatically. Odd that.

The Pokrovsk agglomeration (Pokrovsk, Rodynske and Myrnohrad) is a city bigger than Bakhmut — remember how long and terrible the battle for Bakhmut was.

But on August the fifth the Pokrovsk agglomeration had been trapped in a cauldron for a while and seemed to be collapsing quite rapidly, looked like it was going to fall in a few days. The Ukrainian battle lines were so thin that Russians could infiltrate through the front line to take out drone operators and artillery inside Pokrovsk, indicating that the Ukrainian front line in Pokrovsk was far more thinly manned than their front line in Bakhmut had been. And then the Ukraine rounded up its elite forces, the politicals, the Nazis, Azov, who have better pay, better equipment, and vastly better and longer training that the busified cannon fodder. These people have, until recently, not really had to fight Russians. Their main job has been blocking the retreat of the busified cannon fodder. Now they got hurled into Pokrovsk.

Suddenly the Russians found themselves fighting far more enemy troops, far more dedicated enemy troops, far better trained enemy troops, and far better equipped enemy troops.

This stabilised the situation, but did not push the Russian troops back. Ukrainian attempts to relieve the cauldron and push the Russian troops back had a terrible cost for the Ukrainians.

How terrible?

Well now seems like the Ukrainians are back to where they were five weeks ago. From which I conclude that most of those elite troops hurled at Pokrovsk are now dead or maimed. The layer of busified cannon fodder separating the Nazis from the Russians has for some time been getting thinner and thinner. Poles, Germans, and Moldovans were supposed to show up to protect the Nazis. They failed to do so. At Pokrovsk the layer disappeared.

Does this mean the war will end shortly with the Maidan government in Kiev dying in a fire? Probably not. There may not be enough Nazis to defend it, but neither are there enough conscripts to attack it. The logic of war is that Ukrainian army just quietly evaporates, and the Russian army then does what it pleases. Because the decision to expend the Ukrainians was not made in the Ukraine, it is impossible for the Ukraine to agree to peace. The Russians will just have to kill every remaining male. They are most of the way there, but there is still some way to go.

25 comments Denazifying the Ukraine at Pokrovsk

Bix Nudelmann says:

This is just horrifically ghastly.

Because the decision to expend the Ukrainians was not made in the Ukraine, it is impossible for the Ukraine to agree to peace.

It deserves a closer and sober look, how the interent, Starlink, etc, have made this horrible state of affairs possible. It reminds me of how President Johnson and the Pentagon were accused of micro-managing every minute detail of the Vietnam campaign, but at least they were roughly American. This is much worse, and portends an even more ghastly separation of power and consequences for next time.

Or rather, perhaps I’m seeing it exactly wrong. If those Ukrainian cannon fodder unfortunates only had some kind of unfiltred social media capability themselves, maybe this could have done very differently.

Also:

Poles, Germans, and Moldovans were supposed to show up to protect the Nazis.

What a sentence.

S says:

“This is much worse, and portends an even more ghastly separation of power and consequences for next time.”

The end stage is Stark’s War (2002 Jack Campbell) where soldiers follow waypoints set by out of theater officers and war is taken over by burecratization like the rest of society. I don’t think it will occur in the near future since the systems sole virtue is getting your own men killed and military effectiveness is back on the menu with Thermidor. The grunts who fought the global war on terror dodged a bullet that this technology and rot wasn’t as advanced two decades ago.

Humungus says:

“Does this mean the war will end shortly with the Maidan government in Kiev dying in a fire?”

Humungus is of the opinion that the aforementioned conflict existed to funnel monies back to corrupted politicians and remove people from the playing field.

It is inconceivable to join any military at this time, placing your life in the hands of psychos. Be yourself, do your own thing. Get a job you like, find a woman, etc…

Mossadnik says:

There are about 10 million people with significant Jewish ancestry in the USA, many of them are (or can potentially be) productive, and if you expel them to Israel, as I strongly advocate, it will be excellent for Israel and make it much, much easier for the USA to cut off the alliance (military or in general) with Israel and any involvement in foreign wars. Literally win-win. As an Israeli patriot, I support American paleo-conservative isolationists or restrainists or whatever this faction is called, so long as they don’t bitch and whine like bleeding pussies about fake mistreatment of poor innocent Jihadist Palestinians ABLOO.

Give me the kikes, Herr Hummus. I want the kikes. (Also we will build the Third Temple, and it will be none of your business, since we will be independent.)

Humungus says:

Thank you for your reply; however, we are writing about two different things. Humungus, is a reasonable man, but I cannot give what is not mine to give.

Mossadnik says:

Look, since Mohammedans don’t constantly attack America, you can afford to maintain Westphalian Peace with them, and I’ve never supported the neocons in any way, shape, or form. Israel, however, is under active Jihad by some Mohammedan factions (not the entire Dar al-Islam, by the way), and Westphalian Peace just will not happen no matter how dovish and pacifist Israel gets.

Sometimes you really, actually, for-real have to fight your enemies, because they literally leave you no other choice. Israel has to fight those Jihadists who target it, and possibly their immediate sponsors. At no point did I ever advocate for American involvement. Support us if you like us, don’t support us if you don’t like us.

I never said that you have to fight those Mohammedans who wage wars on us. You are far, far away from the Middle-East. I only say that we have no choice but to do so, because those Jihadists keep constantly attacking us, and will do so for as long as we exist, or for as long as they exist.

Pacifism is not right-wing and not Christian. I hereby use my non-existent authority to abolish and cast out Pacificsm – it is a demon. Peace is great; pacifism is a satanic heresy. I am for peace. I am against pacifism. Pacifism does not lead to peace. Again: this means we should fight our enemies. At no point did I ask you to fight our enemies.

Westphalian Peace is not pacifism!

We will continue to resist the Jihad that is waged on us by certain (not all) Mohammedan factions, with or without your help, because the only other options are dying slowly or dying fast, and we prefer to live. You should take inspiration from our attitude, and treat your sworn enemies (local Progressives) as we treat ours, instead of denouncing us for not sacrificing ourselves to the Demon Pacifism when assaulted by Jihadists.

No, fighting Mohammedan aggressors is not, in fact, being Literally Hitler. It is actually very different. Anyway, I do not support American involvement, and do not support the neocons. But I will continue supporting the IDF for as long as I live.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Ok, but…who are you talking to? Did I miss the part where he said anything about Israel or Islam?

Mossadnik says:

To a very reasonable man.

😉

Mossadnik says:

Anyway, it’s an opportunity to elucidate the position on Pacifism. I consider it a satanic heresy, as it leads to the opposite of what it claims to lead to. And one can be principally opposed to Pacifism, without being a neocon who wants to invade the whole world. It’s also an opportunity to state that the “Peace Camp” in Israel is entirely demon worshippers. The Peace Camp is the Death Camp

I want American paleocons to understand the Israeli perspective. At time, it feels like some of them do not. But I seek to ally with them.

Humungus says:

“…it feels like some of them do not. But I seek to ally with them.”

Interesting. What is in it for Humungus?

My initial post was regarding Kiev, but you have framed this in a much different way.

What do you want from Humungus and what do you offer in return? Everything has a price and Humungus likes to barter, provided there is profit.

Mossadnik says:

What do you want from Humungus and what do you offer in return?

Now we’re talking.

What I want from Humungus is to not pursue pro-Palestinian policies that will inevitably lead to our annihilation. What I offer Humungus is an economically advanced and scientifically innovative State that is a significantly more valuable trade partner than Palestine could ever be.

Humunugus is Rough but Civilized. Israel is also Rough but Civilized. Palestine is not Civilized, and will never be. Should not the Civilized partner with each other? (This need not involve fighting wars on the other’s behalf, foreign aid, and all that.)

Humungus says:

I realize you’re speaking figuratively using the proverbial Humungus to mean warrior class. You’ve shifted the topic from Kiev to something else though.

On the topic of Kiev, my advice to young men is not get yourself killed. Not passivism, but cunning. A thinking man chooses when to fight and when to bargain with his adversary.

On your topic, which I know very little about I would need time to meditate. Generally speaking a warrior class should be paid in land and concubines.

Mossadnik says:

Generally speaking a warrior class should be paid in land

This is Biblical. 1 Kings 9:11:

(Now Hiram the king of Tyre had furnished Solomon with cedar trees and fir trees, and with gold, according to all his desire,) that then king Solomon gave Hiram twenty cities in the land of Galilee.

Trump Gaza also comes to mind.

and concubines.

On a heavy ketamine trip, I once envisioned myself as Queen Esther. I’m not a woman, a troon, or a fag, and I take it as symbolizing a certain historical role. How that relates to the quoted snippet, I’ll let you ruminate on.

Humungus says:

Not sure I follow you, so I’ll write more plainly. I understand you want to feel safe on your land from neighbors whom you see as a threat. You want the threat to go away, yes? And you want a warrior class to make that happen.

The warrior desires land and a woman that can provide him legacy of his own kind. You want your living space, the warrior does too.

Todays military, signs a contract and is paid. In essence they are civil servants with guns. If they do fight a war, they fight to survive. The warrior fights because that is what he is.

Mossadnik says:

Yes indeed. We have to replace our current ruling class with a new one — theoretically some can be “fired and rehired” if suitable — crown a King to whom the new ruling class shall be loyal, and put an incentive structure in place that selects for masculine red-blooded men for leading the military, and the country in general. All that is impossible to do when Progressivism is the state religion. But Progressivism’s power is in decline, so it looks to me, albeit the monster is far from dead. The priority right now, particularly in America, is to ensure that it keeps declining, does not resurge (ever), and ultimately to install a healthy throne and a healthy altar. Whether this can be achieved entirely Passively or not, remains to be seen, and likely will be seen in the near future.

Kelthorn says:

100 years from now, when History looks upon Putin and Russia regarding this war,[*deleted for not conforming to the moderation policy*]

Jim says:

History does not seem to remember 101 US invasions and and interventions Who today remembers Serbia, Syria, Libya, and the Congo? If History still remembers the Ukraine war in 2030, that will be a great accomplishment by Putin.

notone says:

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Jim says:

You want to talk about Russia crossing internationally recognised borders, and Russia wants to talk about the US crossing internationally recognised borders, arguing that the endless, outrageous, and shocking US actions made the “special military operation” a necessary act of self defense.

Is the Russian position reasonable? Your unwillingness to know your enemy would suggest that it is.

flinco says:

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Jim says:

Also deleted for being unresponsive.

In the course of this war, the Ukraine has conscripted one or two million Ukrainians. Where are they now?

And what are Russians fighting for? Why are they fighting? Is it likely that they would nuke the world rather than accept any of the “peace” plans proposed by their enemies?

If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle

You refuse to know yourself, and you refuse to know the enemy. So will therefore succumb in every battle.

Address the state of the Ukraine, and the motivation of the Russians, and I will allow it through. What I will not allow through is your stubborn self delusion that is dragging the white race into nuclear self destruction.

unda says:

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Jim says:

If you want to argue that Russia’s reasons for invading the Ukraine are wrong or invalid, I will allow it through. But you have to admit the reasons that they give for invading the Ukraine, in order to rebut or refute them.

If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.

Your refusal to know and refusal to listen is leading us to nuclear annihilation. I am not allowing this through, because it is likely to lead to the death of all of us.

If you will not hear and understand your adversary, one of you or both of you must die.

flinco says:

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Yul Bornhold says:

The Ukrainian war is an excellent opportunity for Mr. Bukele to get rid of his 90k imprisoned gang members. It won’t make him any friends in Russia but, if the gang members are eliminated, globohomo can’t release them back onto the streets in the event that Bukele is deposed. With this method, he could probably even get globohomo paying him to remove the gang members. Into the slavgrinder you go!

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