Denazifying the Ukraine at Pokrovsk

According the PBS Frontline report, the Russians are dying like flies and losing equipment at a stupendous rate, yet strangely, they have a lot more volunteers and a lot more equipment than they did a year ago, while the Ukrainian army is shrinking dramatically. Odd that.

The Pokrovsk agglomeration (Pokrovsk, Rodynske and Myrnohrad) is a city bigger than Bakhmut — remember how long and terrible the battle for Bakhmut was.

But on August the fifth the Pokrovsk agglomeration had been trapped in a cauldron for a while and seemed to be collapsing quite rapidly, looked like it was going to fall in a few days. The Ukrainian battle lines were so thin that Russians could infiltrate through the front line to take out drone operators and artillery inside Pokrovsk, indicating that the Ukrainian front line in Pokrovsk was far more thinly manned than their front line in Bakhmut had been. And then the Ukraine rounded up its elite forces, the politicals, the Nazis, Azov, who have better pay, better equipment, and vastly better and longer training that the busified cannon fodder. These people have, until recently, not really had to fight Russians. Their main job has been blocking the retreat of the busified cannon fodder. Now they got hurled into Pokrovsk.

Suddenly the Russians found themselves fighting far more enemy troops, far more dedicated enemy troops, far better trained enemy troops, and far better equipped enemy troops.

This stabilised the situation, but did not push the Russian troops back. Ukrainian attempts to relieve the cauldron and push the Russian troops back had a terrible cost for the Ukrainians.

How terrible?

Well now seems like the Ukrainians are back to where they were five weeks ago. From which I conclude that most of those elite troops hurled at Pokrovsk are now dead or maimed. The layer of busified cannon fodder separating the Nazis from the Russians has for some time been getting thinner and thinner. Poles, Germans, and Moldovans were supposed to show up to protect the Nazis. They failed to do so. At Pokrovsk the layer disappeared.

Does this mean the war will end shortly with the Maidan government in Kiev dying in a fire? Probably not. There may not be enough Nazis to defend it, but neither are there enough conscripts to attack it. The logic of war is that Ukrainian army just quietly evaporates, and the Russian army then does what it pleases. Because the decision to expend the Ukrainians was not made in the Ukraine, it is impossible for the Ukraine to agree to peace. The Russians will just have to kill every remaining male. They are most of the way there, but there is still some way to go.

29 comments Denazifying the Ukraine at Pokrovsk

Bix Nudelmann says:

This is just horrifically ghastly.

Because the decision to expend the Ukrainians was not made in the Ukraine, it is impossible for the Ukraine to agree to peace.

It deserves a closer and sober look, how the interent, Starlink, etc, have made this horrible state of affairs possible. It reminds me of how President Johnson and the Pentagon were accused of micro-managing every minute detail of the Vietnam campaign, but at least they were roughly American. This is much worse, and portends an even more ghastly separation of power and consequences for next time.

Or rather, perhaps I’m seeing it exactly wrong. If those Ukrainian cannon fodder unfortunates only had some kind of unfiltred social media capability themselves, maybe this could have done very differently.

Also:

Poles, Germans, and Moldovans were supposed to show up to protect the Nazis.

What a sentence.

S says:

“This is much worse, and portends an even more ghastly separation of power and consequences for next time.”

The end stage is Stark’s War (2002 Jack Campbell) where soldiers follow waypoints set by out of theater officers and war is taken over by burecratization like the rest of society. I don’t think it will occur in the near future since the systems sole virtue is getting your own men killed and military effectiveness is back on the menu with Thermidor. The grunts who fought the global war on terror dodged a bullet that this technology and rot wasn’t as advanced two decades ago.

Humungus says:

“Does this mean the war will end shortly with the Maidan government in Kiev dying in a fire?”

Humungus is of the opinion that the aforementioned conflict existed to funnel monies back to corrupted politicians and remove people from the playing field.

It is inconceivable to join any military at this time, placing your life in the hands of psychos. Be yourself, do your own thing. Get a job you like, find a woman, etc…

Mossadnik says:

There are about 10 million people with significant Jewish ancestry in the USA, many of them are (or can potentially be) productive, and if you expel them to Israel, as I strongly advocate, it will be excellent for Israel and make it much, much easier for the USA to cut off the alliance (military or in general) with Israel and any involvement in foreign wars. Literally win-win. As an Israeli patriot, I support American paleo-conservative isolationists or restrainists or whatever this faction is called, so long as they don’t bitch and whine like bleeding pussies about fake mistreatment of poor innocent Jihadist Palestinians ABLOO.

Give me the kikes, Herr Hummus. I want the kikes. (Also we will build the Third Temple, and it will be none of your business, since we will be independent.)

Humungus says:

Thank you for your reply; however, we are writing about two different things. Humungus, is a reasonable man, but I cannot give what is not mine to give.

Mossadnik says:

Look, since Mohammedans don’t constantly attack America, you can afford to maintain Westphalian Peace with them, and I’ve never supported the neocons in any way, shape, or form. Israel, however, is under active Jihad by some Mohammedan factions (not the entire Dar al-Islam, by the way), and Westphalian Peace just will not happen no matter how dovish and pacifist Israel gets.

Sometimes you really, actually, for-real have to fight your enemies, because they literally leave you no other choice. Israel has to fight those Jihadists who target it, and possibly their immediate sponsors. At no point did I ever advocate for American involvement. Support us if you like us, don’t support us if you don’t like us.

I never said that you have to fight those Mohammedans who wage wars on us. You are far, far away from the Middle-East. I only say that we have no choice but to do so, because those Jihadists keep constantly attacking us, and will do so for as long as we exist, or for as long as they exist.

Pacifism is not right-wing and not Christian. I hereby use my non-existent authority to abolish and cast out Pacificsm – it is a demon. Peace is great; pacifism is a satanic heresy. I am for peace. I am against pacifism. Pacifism does not lead to peace. Again: this means we should fight our enemies. At no point did I ask you to fight our enemies.

Westphalian Peace is not pacifism!

We will continue to resist the Jihad that is waged on us by certain (not all) Mohammedan factions, with or without your help, because the only other options are dying slowly or dying fast, and we prefer to live. You should take inspiration from our attitude, and treat your sworn enemies (local Progressives) as we treat ours, instead of denouncing us for not sacrificing ourselves to the Demon Pacifism when assaulted by Jihadists.

No, fighting Mohammedan aggressors is not, in fact, being Literally Hitler. It is actually very different. Anyway, I do not support American involvement, and do not support the neocons. But I will continue supporting the IDF for as long as I live.

Daddy Scarebucks says:

Ok, but…who are you talking to? Did I miss the part where he said anything about Israel or Islam?

Mossadnik says:

To a very reasonable man.

😉

Mossadnik says:

Anyway, it’s an opportunity to elucidate the position on Pacifism. I consider it a satanic heresy, as it leads to the opposite of what it claims to lead to. And one can be principally opposed to Pacifism, without being a neocon who wants to invade the whole world. It’s also an opportunity to state that the “Peace Camp” in Israel is entirely demon worshippers. The Peace Camp is the Death Camp

I want American paleocons to understand the Israeli perspective. At time, it feels like some of them do not. But I seek to ally with them.

Humungus says:

“…it feels like some of them do not. But I seek to ally with them.”

Interesting. What is in it for Humungus?

My initial post was regarding Kiev, but you have framed this in a much different way.

What do you want from Humungus and what do you offer in return? Everything has a price and Humungus likes to barter, provided there is profit.

Mossadnik says:

What do you want from Humungus and what do you offer in return?

Now we’re talking.

What I want from Humungus is to not pursue pro-Palestinian policies that will inevitably lead to our annihilation. What I offer Humungus is an economically advanced and scientifically innovative State that is a significantly more valuable trade partner than Palestine could ever be.

Humunugus is Rough but Civilized. Israel is also Rough but Civilized. Palestine is not Civilized, and will never be. Should not the Civilized partner with each other? (This need not involve fighting wars on the other’s behalf, foreign aid, and all that.)

Humungus says:

I realize you’re speaking figuratively using the proverbial Humungus to mean warrior class. You’ve shifted the topic from Kiev to something else though.

On the topic of Kiev, my advice to young men is not get yourself killed. Not passivism, but cunning. A thinking man chooses when to fight and when to bargain with his adversary.

On your topic, which I know very little about I would need time to meditate. Generally speaking a warrior class should be paid in land and concubines.

Mossadnik says:

Generally speaking a warrior class should be paid in land

This is Biblical. 1 Kings 9:11:

(Now Hiram the king of Tyre had furnished Solomon with cedar trees and fir trees, and with gold, according to all his desire,) that then king Solomon gave Hiram twenty cities in the land of Galilee.

Trump Gaza also comes to mind.

and concubines.

On a heavy ketamine trip, I once envisioned myself as Queen Esther. I’m not a woman, a troon, or a fag, and I take it as symbolizing a certain historical role. How that relates to the quoted snippet, I’ll let you ruminate on.

Humungus says:

Not sure I follow you, so I’ll write more plainly. I understand you want to feel safe on your land from neighbors whom you see as a threat. You want the threat to go away, yes? And you want a warrior class to make that happen.

The warrior desires land and a woman that can provide him legacy of his own kind. You want your living space, the warrior does too.

Todays military, signs a contract and is paid. In essence they are civil servants with guns. If they do fight a war, they fight to survive. The warrior fights because that is what he is.

Mossadnik says:

Yes indeed. We have to replace our current ruling class with a new one — theoretically some can be “fired and rehired” if suitable — crown a King to whom the new ruling class shall be loyal, and put an incentive structure in place that selects for masculine red-blooded men for leading the military, and the country in general. All that is impossible to do when Progressivism is the state religion. But Progressivism’s power is in decline, so it looks to me, albeit the monster is far from dead. The priority right now, particularly in America, is to ensure that it keeps declining, does not resurge (ever), and ultimately to install a healthy throne and a healthy altar. Whether this can be achieved entirely Passively or not, remains to be seen, and likely will be seen in the near future.

Kelthorn says:

100 years from now, when History looks upon Putin and Russia regarding this war,[*deleted for not conforming to the moderation policy*]

Jim says:

History does not seem to remember 101 US invasions and and interventions Who today remembers Serbia, Syria, Libya, and the Congo? If History still remembers the Ukraine war in 2030, that will be a great accomplishment by Putin.

notone says:

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Jim says:

You want to talk about Russia crossing internationally recognised borders, and Russia wants to talk about the US crossing internationally recognised borders, arguing that the endless, outrageous, and shocking US actions made the “special military operation” a necessary act of self defense.

Is the Russian position reasonable? Your unwillingness to know your enemy would suggest that it is.

flinco says:

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Jim says:

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In the course of this war, the Ukraine has conscripted one or two million Ukrainians. Where are they now?

And what are Russians fighting for? Why are they fighting? Is it likely that they would nuke the world rather than accept any of the “peace” plans proposed by their enemies?

If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle

You refuse to know yourself, and you refuse to know the enemy. So will therefore succumb in every battle.

Address the state of the Ukraine, and the motivation of the Russians, and I will allow it through. What I will not allow through is your stubborn self delusion that is dragging the white race into nuclear self destruction.

unda says:

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Jim says:

If you want to argue that Russia’s reasons for invading the Ukraine are wrong or invalid, I will allow it through. But you have to admit the reasons that they give for invading the Ukraine, in order to rebut or refute them.

If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.

Your refusal to know and refusal to listen is leading us to nuclear annihilation. I am not allowing this through, because it is likely to lead to the death of all of us.

If you will not hear and understand your adversary, one of you or both of you must die.

FrankNorman says:

What I will not allow through is your stubborn self delusion that is dragging the white race into nuclear self destruction.

I suspect that they know this. They want white people dead, and they think it’s funny.
And they are too stupid to realize that Russian nukes would kill them as well. Or maybe they just don’t care about their own survival.

flinco says:

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Yul Bornhold says:

The Ukrainian war is an excellent opportunity for Mr. Bukele to get rid of his 90k imprisoned gang members. It won’t make him any friends in Russia but, if the gang members are eliminated, globohomo can’t release them back onto the streets in the event that Bukele is deposed. With this method, he could probably even get globohomo paying him to remove the gang members. Into the slavgrinder you go!

Karl says:

Toppling a government that still has a few defenders is very difficult for conscripts as they would have to act collectively and coordiante. What conscripts can do when there are only few bloackade troops is desert.

Maybe the Ukrainian army will evaporate now a lot faster.

Sher Singh says:

Any thoughts on the Afghan Pak border skirmishes?

Consensus seems to be that British India holds long as the liberal bureaucracy has air power.

My gut feeling has been that the subcon status quo is a result of Anglo American imperium.

New borders once that power fades from the region.

Mossadnik says:

Generally I avoid linking to fellow Khazars because ethno-nepotism is a little bit disgusting (like incest), but Daniel Greenfield and James Kunstler are usually pretty good. The latter wrote a short post about Ukraine which some may find relevant:

Well, “No Kings” came and went. Inflatable animal costumes did a brisk business for one week. The old Boomers got a social space to act out their nostalgic re-visit to the Age of Aquarius. They resisted. . . something. (Mainly authority of any kind, a retarded adolescent fantasy.) And now it’s back to Rachel Maddow for further instructions. The Republic slogs on, albeit with a shut-down government.

Did you forget about Ukraine? Yes, a war is still going on there and it’s a weeping lesion on Western Civ, possibly leading to fatal sepsis. US neocons set the stage in 2014 with the Maidan color revolution as a wedge to wreck and then loot Russia. Then, for eight years, Ukraine harassed the Donbas with US-supplied missiles and artillery. Russia had enough of that in 2022 and ventured in to stop it. For “Joe Biden,” the war was a nice smokescreen to cover his long-running grift operations in Ukraine. The Euro club stupidly came along for the ride.

It was all a tragic and feckless waste. Mr. Trump wants to stop it, but Western Civ as a whole is in such a state of florid strategic disorder that he’s had to pretend the US supports Ukraine. Mr. Zelensky could not possibly carry on this mischief without US weapons and loads of US taxpayer cash. Still, the Russians advance implacably on-the-ground. They are going to “win” this war eventually — meaning, the US and Europe will lose — and everybody knows it.

It would be nice if France, Germany, and the UK were still stable, thriving, rational nations, but they are not. They have entered an arc of collapse, largely due to their own stupendously bad choices, and their leadership is insane. Macron, Merz, Starmer. . . these are the Three Stooges of our time, and Europe’s collapse has degenerated to morbid, masochistic slapstick as their factories shutter and the Jihadis go about raping their wives and daughters. Do you think that’s not happening?

Mr. Trump surely realizes he has to cut the US loose from this evil clown-show. That they are our NATO allies complicates things, yet, really, the Euro gang is impotent and NATO has become an irrelevant anachronism. They have no effective military mojo. Their economies are imploding. They have surrendered their culture to a savage cult. Their populations are demoralized, emasculated, in thrall to the menopausal viragos in their councils and ministries. They know full-well that Ukraine lies in Russia’s sphere-of-influence — a centuries-long reality — and that it is none of their business. Yet, Macron, Merz, and Starmer keep pushing the fantasy that Russia seeks to invade them, and so they must strike at Russia before that happens . . . all pure delusion.

You can suppose that Mr. Putin wants a negotiated peace rather than continuing the long grind on-the-ground, with all its casualties and expenditures. Such a negotiated peace really amounts to the US ceasing to support Zelensky’s war effort. Of course, such is the insanity of US political life, that many in our government pretend that we have a stake in Ukraine, and must retain some control of it.

Mr. Trump must know this is insane and is against the interests of the USA. He knows that Ukraine is historically in Russia’s sphere of influence — as Venezuela is in ours — and that the best outcome of this mess would be for Ukraine to return to its prior status as a harmless frontier between Russia and western Europe — as it had been since 1945 — looking to its humble business of growing wheat for export. We do not need Ukraine to be anybody’s problem, despite the insane yearnings of the neocons, the weapons manufacturers, and the reckless globalists of the EU, to make it everyone’s problem.

Hence, Mr. Trump’s dilemma: how to dissociate from this losing proposition and come out looking like a winner, saving Europe from becoming a smoldering ashtray, stanching the flow of US taxpayers’ money and US-made weapons into this black hole, and forging friendly relations with a Russia that is decades beyond being our ideological enemy? America and Russia’s interests are geopolitically aligned, though no one in the arena is willing to admit it. Russia has much more to worry about with China right at Siberia’s doorstep than with the USA, just as the USA has much more to worry about with China as it weaponizes A-I, moves into outer space, and casts a covetous eye on the resources of the USA, Australia, Africa, and its next-door-neighbor, Russia.

These are the matters that Presidents Trump and Putin must be touching on in those long, two-and-a-half-hour phone confabs they hold. Meanwhile, Mr. Trump must put on a vaudeville show for his US adversaries about maybe giving tomahawk missiles to Ukraine. . . no, maybe not doing that. . . and the rest of the song and dance to make it appear that we are kinda-sorta still on Ukraine’s side when the truth is we are not so much at all.

And so, the two presidents head for Budapest where — if the intel spooks of Euroland don’t try to bump them off there — they might come to the necessary agreement that the war will end because the US no longer supports it, not even the pretense of supporting it. President Viktor Orban of Hungary, who Mr. Trump respects, will be on hand for moral support. Expect some tough-talking mummery from DJT, just to throw the MSNBC lunatics off-balance. Rogue idiots such as Senators Blumenthal and Schiff will fume that “Trump lost Ukraine,” but the 50-plus percent of Americans who are not-insane will understand what actually happened.

https://archive.is/YYqNC

Should probably spare Kunstler on the Day of the Oven.

Good stuff!

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