The white race is the youngest and newest of the races, originating about ten thousand years ago.
Blacks are in fact a very diverse set of races, some of them considerably superior to other black races – same skin color, different physical and psychological features.
About sixty or seventy thousand years ago, a very small black tribe or large family with the outward urge characteristic of modern whites left subsaharan Africa, and headed out into Europe, expanded, eventually exterminating previous races in the region. Sea levels were lower then, and they had impressive seagoing ability, they island hopped all the way to Australia, where they failed to exterminate a different race with which they could not interbreed, but replaced them over most of Australia. Small and diminishing populations of older races remained here and there throughout the world.
They were, however, still black. Probably a better quality of black, but still black. Pretty much everyone still around was black or brown.
About twelve thousand years, the climate started getting nicer, and northern Africa, now a desert, became wet. Agriculture started in Northern Africa, consisting of patriarchal groups united by descent in the male line owning property. There was also a people focused on fishing, sea travel, and shellfish gathering, but they disappeared and the survivors were assimilated into the grain farmers when the oceans rose ten thousand years ago. To establish security of property over larger groups, more capable of defending that land, priesthoods developed. These people were brown, dark eyed, and dark haired. More or less the same people as modern middle easterners. In Europe, brown skinned largely blue eyed people, with a various hair colors hunted and gathered.
The middle eastern agriculturists rolled into Europe, displacing, replacing, and exterminating the hunter gatherers.
Inland of Europe, Eastern Europe, the pontic steppes, the hunter gatherers were advancing their technology of clothing, housing, and food storage to deal with very harsh winters. Which means that being nomadic they needed to transport more stuff, which was a problem. They were becoming herders, rather than hunters, and they made their domesticated horses, still too small to carry men, pull wagons, which enabled them to create and keep more stuff.
And in Eastern Europe, the farmers ran into nomadic herders that were too technologically advanced to exterminate and replace. So, to make peace, they traded hostages and women, an event recorded in the Norse legends of the Æsir and the Vanir. These guys were ancestor worshipers, and at least some of the Norse Gods were remembered as originally human ancestors all the way to the beginning of recorded history. The conflict is also remembered as Cain murdering Abel.
The mingled race evolved into whites, among them the Aryan race. The Aryan race, organized patriarchally and aristocratically, equipped with copper weapons and horse drawn chariots, expanded westwards into Europe, killing the men and marrying the women, replacing and mingling with middle eastern grain farmers, and South East into India, where they failed to do such a thorough job of upgrading the locals. The locals in Europe and India had priestly organization, rather than aristocratic. The Aryans in Europe rubbed out that priestly organization, and mostly replaced their demon Gods with the Aryan ancestor Gods. In the middle east, Aryans ruled, but failed to have large biological impact. Nomadic patriarchalists, probably originally Aryan, also worshipped the one God. Hard to know if this was part of the original Aryan faith, or they picked it up somewhere along the way. “The ancient city” plausibly speculates that it was original, and presents suggestive evidence supporting that thesis. Organizing under Kings and priests, the descendants of the Aryans created Bronze Age civilization. In the middle east, failed however to have a very large biological impact, though they ruled the place. In India, the demon gods of the locals survived more successfully, and entered the Aryan religion more extensively.
In Europe and the Middle East, and to a lesser extent India, Bronze Age civilization went decadent, failing to reproduce, with high levels of infanticide, demon worship, and human sacrifice. Without Kings, property rights in land and cattle was only practical under patriarchal organization, but with Kings, emancipation becomes all too possible, and in the latter days of Bronze Age civilization we see Kingship running in the female line, which suggests that the male line had become uncertain. In the collapse of Bronze Age civilization was overrun by peoples who preserved the original precivilized Aryan ways, though some of those peoples may have mingled extensively with lesser races in their travels, perhaps largely as a result of abducting women.
Because of the collapse of trade, they had to use iron, and did not have furnaces hot enough to melt it. So they made bloom iron from very high grade iron ore, which no longer exists anywhere except in very tiny amounts. Bloom iron you have to heat and hammer, and heat and hammer some more, like kneading bread dough, for a very long time before it becomes a useful material. And if you use the kind of iron ore that still exists today, no amount of heating and hammering is going to produce a useful material, because there are too many non metallic impurities in the bloom. To get useful iron from the kind of iron ore that still exists today, have to heat it hot enough for the iron to melt, and thus separate from the non metallic impurities.
Indra is the same ancestor as Zeus, Thor,and Jupiter, whom at least some of the Saga period icelanders recalled as an originally human ancestor living somewhere near the Pontic steppes.
So it is fair to say that the white race started with Thor.
I’m legitimately sorry to tell you this, but your timeline of human history is total bunkum. The Ten Thousand Year Explosion will go down as one of the dumbest books ever written by a smart person, and the general theory is unlikely to survive the next decade, frankly.
The simple reality is that high-civilization humans, especially the white races, are far, far older than generally appreciated, hundreds of thousands of years at the minimum, possibly millions.
Fossils are obviously a real thing, but the fossil record, as understood by academics, is basically made-up academic garbage just like all the other made-up academic garbage.
Inter alia, there were red-haired giants (eight or nine feet tall) in North America eons before the American Indians left Asia, Atlantis was real, and there were long-headed priests.
The Tower of Babel could have happened hundreds of thousands of years ago. “And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech” is indicative of a world-spanning Internet-like communications device. “A tower whose top may reach unto heaven” is obviously a reference to rocketry. “Let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad” is a statement of the necessity of orbital sovereignty. The gods (technologically advanced humans or humanoids) didn’t like being challenged: “Now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do…let us go down…and confound their language.”
Really, I would be surprised if the pre-Younger Dryas ancients didn’t have nukes.
Silicon microlithography could be new. Or it could be a new spin on something old.
There is some evidence of ancient genetic engineering.
Races change visibly over historical time. The Ashkenazi race is seven hundred years old.
Ten thousand years is the white race broadly defined. The finer we split the races, the faster they change.
Yes, there were giants, and there were hobbits. There were a whole lot of approximately human races very different from any of today’s human races. But our ancestors were a distinctly genocidal lot, and wiped most of them out at about the same as we wiped out the big megafauna.
The last surviving race of humans incapable of breeding with modern type humans were the Tasmanians. If we could could not breed with their women, we killed them.
Atlantis was probably real in a sense, but not as an island in the middle of the Atlantic, but as a bunch of low lying islands near the coast of Europe occupied by a race of good sailors who ate mostly fish and shellfish, which islands disappeared when the seas rose, resulting in those sailors being absorbed into neighboring peoples and races.
Flat earth tier memeing. The people who write your script think we are morons. In future I will silently delete this with the flat earthers.
All early iron is meteoric or painfully and slowly hammered from bloom or bog iron. All the very earliest copper is native copper, unsmelted.
it would make more sense to me if the aryan races history started more recently then i would guess, if the start is defined as when the gods were alive and the marriage between aryans and whatever disappeared race took place, but it does seem like physiologically modern whites are older than 10k years, it is very difficult to explain why it took so long for technological civilization to develop. could it have been that another race like neanderthal made settlement impossible and the sudden rise of civilization was related to its death possibly because of the instability of the holocene’s cataclysms? is there any information on other apex predators? is it just that when a certain level of trophic dominance is reached some species become substantially more fratricidal accelerating genetic change as intraspecies competition becomes the primary cause of mortality? there are so many hominid branches that developed it seems like the source off intelligence isnt certain, altho africas iq doesnt budge and there still around, maybe it just requires a sufficiently isolated population under immense selection for intelligence for nigger swarm to be incapable of drowning out the outliers, a sort of genetic gravity by mass arresting development? the last ice age would definitely have created such isolated pockets. interestingly civilization has been a continues slide toward brown sludge which could support the genetic gravity issue, maybe aryans and other high races are the product of extremely limited maternal and paternal reproduction in environments that dont allow for many children making the spray and pray nigger gene irrelevant, brutal selection without a rapid population explosion restoring the dumb fuckers altho that gets back to the intra species competition disincentivizing stupid, to bad we cant trust archeological date history is a black hole in a big way.
Well it all depends on what you count as white. Middle easterners are sort of white. Siberian natives have rather chinese looking facial features, or rather native American facial features, but a lot of them are fair haired, and most of them have paler skins than you do. We don’t really know what the European natives looked like, but a lot of them were blue eyed. Cromagnons from forty thousand years ago, we don’t know their skin color, hair color, or eye color, but they had rather European looking physical features.
But what makes modern Europeans look like modern Europeans is one hell of a lot of Aryan ancestry. Those guys got around.
I have got to read up on the early european agriculturalists, have ignored as just one race bs but if the aryans did interbreed with them then i did not consider the possibility that they were white in a way, i dont consider muslims white and it seems like 40k years isnt enough for aryans to pop up, but an older “white” race of hominids from which large parts of the world are descended is definitely a possibility.
The Cro Magnons had white appearance, and created white art. I would guess that the horse herders the grain farmers ran into were somewhat related to the cro magnons.
Their art look like our art in ways that Middle Eastern and Asian art does not. But the genetic evidence is of a mingling event between middle eastern grain farmers, and something else.
It was something about how humans are at least 200,000 years old, the Industrial Revolution is only 300, and if Musk is successful he’ll put men on Mars in his lifetime (for a total of under 350).
I think there was also something about how once a new technology is invented it becomes reasonable to assume it’s been invented before.
I don’t know why the comments are in different locations.
His broad point (which it is far from clear he intended) is probably correct in that the difference between the Europid and Mongoloid race-groups is probably due to admixture with different proto-humans.
Neanderthal only in the case of Europids
Neanderthal and South Denisovan in the case of SEAs
Neanderthal, South Denisovan and North Denisovan in the case of NEAs
Where’s the second post?
The shill conspiracy about Atlantis obfuscates the true Atlantis, which was Minos, a decadent Bronze Age civilization which fell into socialism and demon worship, and was wiped out by manly Aryan Mycenaean warriors.
Minos stuck around in exile for a long time. The most ancient myths from Mycenae depict them sacrificing children to a monstrous bull, and then the punics crop up a thousand years later sacrificing children to a monstrous bull. The failure state of the Israelite religion was worship of a bull idol, and two thousand years after that, today, the bull still represents the worship of money, just as the word Capital referred to cattle.
The story of the true Atlantis hits a little too close to home for some people, because the history of that priestly civilization and its end reminds them of their own.
Pedantic adding on about the mythological associations of the bull with wealth:
Mention of “The Bull of Heaven” is found dating back to 2100 BC in the ‘Epic of Gilgamesh,’ where Ishtar (Venus) unleashes it on Ur to try and kill Gilgamesh after he blows off her attempts to seduce him. Bitch be crazy. Gilgamesh kills the monstrous bull and its parts are flung back at Ishtar creating the constellation we know as ‘Taurus’, the bull.
At the time of the myth, Spring, the vernal equinox, began when the Sun was in the constellation of Taurus. As the time when Winter ended and life began to spring forth again, Taurus became associated in Babylonian astrology with wealth and pleasure, and is said to be ruled by Venus (Ishtar). The association has remained to this day, and is why we have the term Bull Market for when stocks are going up.
What is interesting is that the most primitive less culturally elaborate tribes in Australian Aborigines, Amerindians and African tribes are the most monotheistic. Many of them worshipping the High God the Father of all existence who is uncreated and sets a high ethical tone:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-bMgXQV7no
I find this very hard to believe.
What do you find in the video that is hard to believe?
For starters the Australian aboriginals are not deists, nor even manists, but Zoists. Almost all Australian native “burials” are found in their trash heaps. It is not that they believe in the supernatural, but that they do not believe in natural. They don’t think about cause and effect enough for the distinction between supernatural and natural causation to be meaningful to them, and thus for the distinction between supernatural and natural creatures to be meaningful to them. It is not that they believe in ghosts, it is more that they lose track of whether someone died.
What then are they referring to when certain aboriginal tribes have traditions that refer to the “All-Father” passed down via oral traditions?
For example:
The Narinnari believed in a Supreme Father named “Nuranderre” who made all things who taught humans their rituals before he and his children ascended into the sky.
The Maranuna people says their supreme being Nureilli created the land gave Laws and ascended into Heaven
Many tribes of the Kulin language group believed in the Supreme being “Bunji” who they call “Our Father” who lives in the sky and gives moral laws.
The Gunai believed in a supreme being(Mungan Naganua) who they call “Father” had a son named “Tundun” who they say is their ancestor.
Perhaps its not quite monotheism as the Aryans conceived. But probably the religion of Noah that is still remembered but distorted somewhat. That made Zoistic as you state.
And for stated reasons in the video the missionary influence is ruled out since oral traditions don’t get altered that way.
Actually not in the video. But there was a commentator in the comment section claiming to be a member of one of the aboriginal tribes who dismissed the notion that the missionaries had any role in altering their oral tradition.
And that the video is accurate in what is reported.
The Australian aboriginals do not have an oral tradition – they have no idea what happened before the current generation. Their oral tradition is totally made up by missionaries and white scammers using dark skinned faces to sell trash to the tourists. There are no end of historical events involving groups of Australian aboriginals recorded by white people, and the descendants of those groups lack any recollection of them.
They live in an eternal present without cause, effect, or a past.
Which is pretty much what one would expect when old “burials” consist of human bones mingled with shellfish shells, cooked animal bones, and assorted inedible waste tossed out of camp.
Non human animals also make meaningful sounds, but it is way short of what is needed for cats to have an oral tradition. Aboriginals come considerably closer, but fall short.
There have been a lot of efforts to provide housing for full blooded aboriginals, but any human type housing gets rapidly rendered unlivable. Housing wound up looking suspiciously like zoo housing for animals. You would have as much luck finding an oral tradition in a zoo. Any aboriginal living in human type housing is mostly white ancestry, and has little idea where his mother and or the guys hanging with his mother when he was growing up came from.
Claims to aboriginal ancestry tend to be richly rewarded for people who can navigate the bureaucracy, and everyone who does successfully navigate the bureaucracy to the big money looks as white as I do. Those guys are full of oral traditions.
The sub-humanness of the abbo is so stark that I think it might be a useful shill test, or a part of one. There is a very widely maintained ignorance of abbos outside of Australia, and it is fascinating to watch the stages of understanding as a full human is confronted by the human shaped creature that is the abbo. The severe ugliness of the women, the staggering animalistic stupidity of the abbo male, and the failure of the never ending attempts to humanize these poor creatures; when you lay it all out, only a hardcore leftist or someone with too much oversight to be honest can deny the simple fact that, in their natural state with their natural genetic composition, abbos just are not people.
Oof… lets not say subhuman and go with prehuman primitives. I would very much be sadden if my descendants never get to go on an Australian safari tour to see the primitives in the zoos… uh I mean reservations because someone got it in their head to exterminate the subhumans.
Though I suppose the local Indian reservations would suffice but that would feel like a cheap knock off without the same sense of adventure.
Much prefer if subhuman is reserved for the criminal underbelly of inner city America…
‘Let me Abos go loose, Lou
Let me Abos go loose.
They’re of no further use, Lou
So let me Abos go loose.’
BTW, he got cancelled big time Bill Cosby style.
On the origin of White people with their light skin and their varied hair colors of Blonde, Brown, Auburn and so forth is the result of strong selection selection pressure on women:
I’ve read the mutation(s) for light skin in Europeans is DIFFERENT from the mutation for light skin in East Asians. Given that this is the case, and given the right linkage disequilibrium, it’s theoretically possible for interbreeding hapas to produce a dark skinned offspring. I.e. they get the dark skin variant for the Caucasian loci from the East Asian genome, and the dark skin variant for the East Asian allele from the Caucasian genome.
As far as I understand it, there are 64 genes that produce melanin, and each is a binary on or off- we inherit a random 32 of these from each parent. There is no single mutation for light skin, but only selective pressures that cause lighter or darker skinned offspring to pass down their genes. It is always possible, but unlikely, that two parents with medium skin tones produce a significantly darker or lighter skinned child
I remember reading the (real) anthropologist Carleton Coon stating the canonical races (Caucasian, Mongoloid, African) predate modern humanity (not necessarily skin, eye or hair color). I.e there were “Chinese” homo erectus, Caucasian homo erectus and African homo erectus. If you went back in time you could tell which was which. Modern humanity (late out of Africa) spread out and, via interbreeding, incorporated the local adaptations of these earlier (out of Africa) humans. These local adaptations extend down to modern times.
Got a book on that?
https://www.amazon.com/living-races-Carleton-Coon-Edward/dp/B00KLOXLLU
https://www.amazon.com/Origin-Races-Carleton-Coon-Hardcover/dp/B011SJGOHY
“About sixty or seventy thousand years ago, a very small black tribe or large family with the outward urge characteristic of modern whites left subsaharan Africa, and headed out into Europe, expanded, eventually exterminating previous races in the region”
Why would any tribe leave a fertile, pleasant, warm area with abundant game and water resources like Africa to expand outwards voluntarily? Perhaps they were kicked out by other stronger or more numerous tribes who were competing for the same prime real estate?
Perhaps they were defeated in an inter-tribal war for dominance and kicked out by the victors? Difficult to imagine that they left voluntarily out of pure wanderlust or spirit of adventurousness.
Why would I go to settle Mars if I could.
You would like to escape the ruling elite which hates you and wants you dead. That would be a big motivation. Either way, it’s the underdog that seeks to leave
>it’s the underdog that seeks to leave
In Occidental fiction, this is not always the case. This could be American exceptionalism (being the nation as destination v. the source), but underdogs get run out of town and are forced to make a new life elsewhere, while often a hero strikes out for new horizons and different opportunities.
I think the Oriental Princes should take command of Terra and the Sons of the Occident should push out to the stars. The Oriental always seems particularly suited to the insular beauties, while the Occidental is restless, dangerous, and a little bit crazy. This is not to say that no Dharma-bros will be involved in colonizing the other planets, and Terra will always need and want whitebois to do the needful planet-side. But I think it could be a stellar symbiosis, with Oriental influence on the mother planet and Occidental influence in the heavens.
You raise several interesting points. But I can only take up one here so as to avoid diluting the thread and lead to too many tangents.
I think, given our knowledge of human history, it would be suicidal for any race or group of people to decide not to colonise space. If you don’t colonise space, then you will be conquered and replaced by those who do. Even, the attempt at space colonisation will do so many wonders for scientific progress, to say nothing about natural selection that such colonisation involves ……..
The Orientals have already made one mistake as outlined by Karlin here, https://www.benzinga.com/markets/cryptocurrency/21/09/23121742/is-china-repeating-a-600-year-old-mistake-a-historical-perspective-on-chinas-crypto-crackd
If they repeat it again, this time in the form of eschewing space colonisation, then I don’t know what to say.
Point is, if I had any say, India would have some sort of blueprint for Space colonisation. Not because we are a naturally adventurous or curious lot, but because it would be suicidal for us not to given human history.
Humans act out of necessity for survival and procreation. indeed all creatures do. They have to. Not out of some romantic ideals of exploration or curiosity or progress.
In a multi-polar, truncated-Hobbesian dynamic, you are right. But I hold out hope that a great Human Alliance between the ethnicities and the races can be forged, and I think stellar expansion is a key ingredient in that. If humanity survives Rampant leftism, it will also have to survive the Era of Orbital Power Struggle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj2JORdzs1g
In ancient times perhaps you really could destroy the demon cult just by killing the demon priest leader (and then burning the temple), since the 20th century it just hasn’t worked like that. I speculate it has to do with the introduction of mass communications.
I speculate it has to do with people not killing the demon priest leader and burning the temple. Has this tried and true prescription been tried and failed?
The leftism that Papen predicted would lead to catastrophe abruptly ended in Germany in the light of the long knives. Hitler did not have to kill all that many people to bring a sudden end to the ever leftwards drift of Nazism. (Albeit he was already too far left – failed to restore fertility, and the crisis of socialism bit just when he was starting the invasion of Russia)
Cromwell abruptly ended the leftwards and postChristian drift by strolling into Barebones’ Parliament and telling them to make themselves scarce, and no more was heard of Barebones. I don’t think Cromwell killed him, but he quietly stayed out of sight. Killed a few unimportant people, not very many at all, and demonstrated willingness and ability to kill the important people.
Sulla killed quite a few people, but not all that many by modern standards. Sulla’s failure was that he was trying to revive a dead Republic. Necromancy failed. But he brought a solid stop to the left holiness spiral. The problem of class conflict remained, but the class conflict was maggots infesting the corpse of the dead republic and looting the the dysfunctional state. Caesar Augustus brought an end to that. It took him about twelve years to concentrate all the looting in his own hands and restore governmental function, because building order is complex and takes time, but disrupting an evil order can be done very quickly and simply. Sulla had already done that. The trouble was that the looters were enabled by the continuing faith in the dead Republic.
The left is an alliance that acts cohesively to knock over apple carts and grab some apples. Individuals knocking over apple carts and grabbing apples is an ordinary crime problem (I previously remarked we need to restore and enforce the old crime of barratry) Knock out the enemy leadership, they lose the capability to make coordinated attacks on applecarts. Cromwell simply told the enemy leadership to disperse and shut up, and they did.
Pinochet killed Allende and purged the universities. They came right back in less than 30 years.
Suharto killed everyone and they didn’t come back. Agree completely on Sulla, in Rome even the radical populares weren’t promising utopia they were promising we should kill the current elite (and many of them indeed needed killing as Sulla himself realized) so Roman leftism was more pure weaponized envy more than a religion.
Cromwell and Charles II advantage was the left revolution already happened when the radicals were suppressed.
Lacked a counter state religion, to defend against foreign evangelism of the foreign state religion.
They came back from outside. You can see the heavy hand of outside pressure and intervention in Indonesia, where Suharto did restore the old and still live state religion, now being quietly converged and quietly pushed out of the halls of power.
As Putin recently said:
The velvet glove is getting increasingly shredded, and the mailed fist increasingly visible.
If we take over Harvard, or kill them all and burn it to the ground, there is no longer any outside center capable of marshaling money and violence. (Though another one will pop up soon enough)
Need a live state religion willing to defend itself with money and violence. Which Suharto had in his pocket.
Burning Harvard isn’t enough… Georgetown and most other ivies would have to go as would the entire Jesuit order and anyone high ranking in the Vatican… also people withing the Jesuits, the WEF, Club of Rome big Harvard leftists etc need to be put to some recreational mcdentistry… to find out who they are secretly connected to and you have to kill them. As well as all big donors to the Democratic party… all leftists careerists within three letter agencies and NGOs…
Then and only then can you perhaps be sure the whole of the leftist leadership is gone worldwide.
More polemic phrasing would be “Why would I not want free real estate?”
@someDude The most expensive way of expanding is trying to take land that is already strongly owned. Weakly owned land, or better yet completely unowned land will always hold a high level of desirability.
i.e easier for the French to colonize all of Africa than to fight the Germans for the Rhine. Those who expand out compete those who don’t.
Agreed! But the French knew what they were up against in Africa Vs what they were up against in Europe across the Rhine. Choosing to expand in Africa is a no-brainer in the circumstance.
I however, very much doubt whether that very small tribe in Africa knew what they would be up against as they travelled northwards.
The French did not initially know. Or better to say none of the early European colonizers initially knew either. Much in the same way gold prospectors do not initially know what they will find when they stake out new land. And even when people did “know,” it’s not like they really knew as in those eras communications were slow and difficult and not widely disseminated.
The initial colonizers/prospectors were a very small group. The initial groups traveling northwards were also likely a very small tribe. And once word got around that there was abundant easy land it’s not like the whole tribe followed suit. The difficulties of travel (even today!) mean only the more adventurous risk tolerant individuals out of a group will follow. It’s why the Europeans are more adventurous than the Africans and the Americans are more adventurous than the Europeans.
Sort of like a distillation effect where risk tolerance and adventurousness is selected for. Except adventures can easily get you killed or in modern times leave you financially dead, so intelligence and good planning is also selected for as well. Hence a possible partial explanation for why White Americans are (slightly) smarter on average than Europeans who are smarter on average than Africans.
If you say that the initial bunch that ventured northwards were conducting a recce on behalf of a much larger group, that makes sense.
Somewhat like the initial European explorers conducted recce for whatever motivations (personal glory, national glory, adventurousness etc) and then came back and disseminated this knowledge back to wider society and so the King and state felt that here was an opportunity to expand. So while the first french explorers into Africa did not know, the state did know when it decided to expand. My point is regarding the movements of tribes, of large groups, not individuals
Now the initial Americans were puritans, I am given to understand. Puritans kicked out by Charles II. So again my analogy holds. Some sort of pressure is forcing these groups to look outwards.
I still posit that some sort of pressure did force this small black tribe to look outwards. The analogy with the French does not really hold as the French were competing with the English for expansion. Had the French not expanded into Africa, the English would have taken all of it. Can we say that this small black tribe/large family acted out of the same motives as the French expansion into Africa? 60000 years ago when information was really really scarce.
While I can accept your explanation as reasonable, which do you think is most likely? Survival pressure, lust for expansion or adventurousness? Or a combination thereof? I feel survival is the strongest explanation as that was a harsh environment where genocide was common as air.
The genetic data indicates that people outside of Africa are largely descended from one very small group, that left Africa about seventy thousand years ago.
Me and my family would do the same, if we could reach a new world and conquer it.
Wait, I concede your point. As Milosevic pointed out, I completely forgot about the Vikings. The Vikings made extraordinary and perilous journeys under no selection pressure. The small black tribe/big family could have indeed done the same.
Would not have stopped me.
The human race capacity for violence was improving. We’d been getting our asses kicked by the neanderthals in the Levant for 40,000 years before we moved out and curb stomped them in a shockingly short period of time. I would guess the situation was similar to the Mongols or the first Aryan Chariot riders. Related men all living in the same area had been so well selected for war that the local wars were never ending and was resulting in very difficult living conditions. Finally one group decided they wanted get away from their kinsmen and fight someone that wasn’t nearly so effective at war and moved into the Middle East and Europe. Neanderthals were pretty tasty based on how often we found their butchered corpses in our camp sites and their women were apparently hot enough to fuck.
Can you point out in history, any instance of an entire group of people uprooting themselves and moving away to a new place without having been kicked out, or escaping genocide or to escape a lower social status or poor living conditions, or some such? My point is, it is always the weaker group that wants out. I can’t think of a dominant group wanting to uproot itself and go settle somewhere unknown.
I’m not entirely on the ball on the settling of the west, but I’m not sure the analogy applies. Those who settled the west could always go back and shoot back some Rum at some Boston tavern. Plus, it was not the Boston Brahmins that settled the west.
The Vikings and their descendants.
Bloody good point! I completely forgot about the Vikings. I stand corrected. The small black tribe/large family could indeed have made the northwards trip in the same spirit as the Vikings’ voyages.
The Vikings wanted out because their homeland was not the most hospital place on the planet…
They cheerfully went to places even less hospitable.
As Red says the one place they went to that was less hospital (Greenland) didn’t have other Viking tribes. Also it wasn’t marketed as less hospital…
The “fleeing ingroup violence hypothesis” proves too much IMO. The possibility of mass-scale violence has loomed over every group of humans ever.
Also, it’s not clear that there’s a connection between Viking exploration and the postulated small tribe(s) that left Africa, given that such a group, with the will and capacity to emigrate to less pleasant lands, would probably have had superior capacity for violence on its own turf.
Based and insightfulpilled.
If Musk succeeds in settling Mars, an almost accidental side effect, which the less debased elements of the Pentagon are counting on, is vastly superior capability to drop unpleasant things on your enemy’s heads, and control of the information network
Sure, but Humans like periods of peace between conflict. I’m talking about a situation where the raiding and the fighting is unending like what Mongols or the Arabs experienced right before someone organized them into directing their violence externally instead internally. This was pre-religion so human group size was still limited by Dunbar’s number.
It’s likely that their neighbors where just as good at warfare as they where so conquering them was a non starter. So they raid into Neanderthal land and discover Humans are now much better fighters than Neanderthals. The Neanderthals are easy kills. They decided to move into a area where warfare is less likely to result in a lot of men dead and they expand out. Every time the tribe’s size hit Dumbar’s number they split up and the new tribe goes off and conquerors some more Neanderthal land for themselves.
BA-BASED!
The trend seems like a transition from frequent, disorganized violence to infrequent, organized violence — an overall increase in violence even though from time humans flee violence.
In the case of the Muslim conquests, Mohammed and his followers took power by slaughtering a considerable number of the native inhabitants of Polytheistic Arabia. The continuous raiding and skirmishing which took place on the Arabian peninsula was by far outstripped by the revolts, uprisings, and civil wars of Islam’s early years.
In the case of the Mongolian conquests; Temujin slew his blood brother so he could unite the Mongolians and his successors spent lots of time killing each other — leading to the break up of the Mongol Empire. (There’s some article on Wikipedia about the “Pax Mongolica” which I didn’t even bother reading at all lol.)
In the case of the Vikings, “periods of peace” is an especially tough sell (lul). They spent lots of time killing each other in foreign lands; the Rus princes, Rollo’s descendants, etc. Harald Hadrada — reputedly, “the last viking” — returned home, pressed his claim to the crown of Norway (by killing people), attempted to press his claim to the crown of Denmark (by killing people), before eventually dying in his attempt to press his claim to the English throne (lul); losing to Godwinson and dying at Stamford bridge. (Hadrada is noteworthy because if he had won against Godwinson, he would have had to battle William of Normandy.)
^ correction for the 1st paragraph: The trend seems like a transition from frequent, disorganized violence to infrequent, organized violence — an overall increase in violence.
^^ I just noticed that I had jumped to the conclusion that a group with military superiority would choose to conquer rather than explore, but there were probably a number of groups with the capacity to leave Africa, but didn’t have the desire to go on a long, one-way journey like that.
^ correction for the 1st paragraph: The trend seems like a transition from frequent, disorganized violence to infrequent, organized violence — an overall increase in violence.
^^ I just noticed that I had jumped to the conclusion that a group with military superiority would choose to conquer rather than explore, but there were probably a number of groups with the capacity to venture out but just had no desire to go on a long, one-way journey like that.
The Vikings were great at small scale warfare, not so great at mass coordinated warfare. As is often the case with clannish peoples that produce excellent individual warriors, they needed an update to their social technology to conquer settled peoples. The most successful example of which being the Normans. Of course, the Vikings were not up against decadent ancient civilizations, but vigorous and patriarchal societies.
The vikings wanted out because the level of inter group warfare had become too intense due to selective pressures favoring better warriors. It was hard to farm and fish while under constant attack. So they started directing their warfare externally with great success and warfare at home declined. It’s the same story that shaped the Mongols, Aryans, and even the Arab expansions.
Ever played Sid Meier’s Alpha Centauri? Or it’s modern-day equivalent, Civlization: Beyond Earth? 🙂
If bees could survive in Chiron, 😉 I’d seriuosly consider taking my family and myself immediately there if only I had something like Venture Star on my disposal.
Everybody hated Beyond Earth, and it certainly lacked the innovation and deep lore of SMAC, but I put in a lot of enjoyable hours on it. It was pretty much a mod for Civilization 5, which is probably the best game in the series.
Yes, I hated it too – at first. However, it is actually a good game, more balanced than SMAC, and quite polished. Greatest dissapointment is shallowness of fraction leaders and quite basic diplomacy. In combat and economy, AI is quite good even on Gemini level when without any bonuses.
But, never mind, the thing is, one does not need to be underdog to aspire for something greater, especially if it is whole new world to take.
You’re absolutely right: BE was much more balanced and polished than SMAC. The truth is, I’d rather play a game of BE than of SMAC. But it didn’t have the same creativity, originality, or soul. I see why people people panned it, even though it is a genuinely good game.
Jim you think the Sumerians were Aryan? I think most of the people who conquered them when they became decadent were likely Aryan and all the civilizations of the middle east were conquered by chariot riding Aryans who replaced their ruling classes at a later point, but Sumerian is a language isolate, not related to Aryan as far as I know.
The first Sumerian king sounded like a General who was elected by the population who then overthrew the priesthood and made his daughter the chief priestess to control the temple, putting a woman in charge of religion doesn’t sound like a patriarchal Aryan thing to do.
Sumerian is a language isolate, therefore likely descended from a race and people otherwise lost in prehistory. I conjecture they are descendants of prediluvian civilization, the first settled people, who settled on the coast and islands, now submerged.
They were a priestly civilization, while the original Aryans were aristocratic. The Sumerians and the Egyptians were pre-bronze age civilizations. The Aryans conquered the world with bronze weapons and bronze armor, so Aryan conquered decadent people, who also had bronze. But most of bronze age civilization happened under Aryan rule.
Immediately following, or during, the Aryan conquest, there was a partial regression from bronze to copper, indicating suggesting a short collapse of long range order during the Aryan conquest – that the Aryans were not all that civilized during the conquest, and proceeded to put together a largely new civilization, in which leading aristocrats became Kings, with some assistance from priests, and with very long distance marriages between leading aristocratic families. When the primarily Aryan bronze age civilization collapsed, the people who conquered it, who plausibly substantially preserved the original Aryan way of life, were illiterate and incapable of long range order.
Very interesting. That leads me to a wonder about Abraham and the Israelites actual genetic line. Hebrew is a Semitic language, but lots of Aryan groups went native after moving into the middle east. It wasn’t a very complete conquest and replacement.
The ancient tribe of israel was a group of patriarchal herdsmen living amongst and around graincels – cowboys vs cityslickers.
Groups of people in later days that call themselves jewish are more or less conversios of different groups over the centuries that are largely unrelated or only tangentially related to that group.
If there are any large-scale DNA studies exploring that, they would be interesting to read about. Does the one that found the Ashkenazi bottleneck shed any light on it?
And what about ancient vs. modern Greeks?
The situation is like many spheres of scientia in our most current of years.
For example, food and nutrition; the seed oil guys have a point, and the ketogenic guys have a point, and the lectin guys have a point, and the wholefood/chemical contamination guys have a point; but there is no one single source that lays out all these points collated together.
Vagarious splinters have their point, while surrounded by demon orthodoxy on other points, and it is up to oneself to exercise their powers of world-formation, if they are able, to find which pieces of fact from vagarious sources fit together the best, separating wheat from chaff; and a great deal of chaff has been emitted over the years on this subject.
The Ionians absolutely were a distinct folk from those who now occupy the peninsula, much like how the Latins were distinct from those who came after, and both petered out basically the same way: lack of fertility in general, and elite fertility in particular. Feminism and race-replacement, as ever.
The Purity of the Rites and the beliefs of the Aryans didn’t survive contact with the people they conquered. Demon infested in the process.
Julius Evola in his book “Revolt against the Modern World” for whatever reason couldn’t endorse Christianity because it bore resemblance to the Chthonic Southern Matriarchal religions of the people’s Aryans conquered.
The rite of the broken weapons representing the broken Masculinity of Men and the endless cycle of the dying and rising Male deities of said peoples alongside the strong devouring Earth Mother Goddess cults.
What is the interesting is how the closet approximation to the Aryan religion including its Spiritual Strength was best preserved in the Old time Christian religion.
Demons fear the name above every other name: “Jesus Christ”. Despite this apparent similarity with said above cults.
But somehow the Death on the Cross and Resurrection in his Immortal Glorious Body broke the power of the those demons that gave rise to the cults featuring the never-ending cycle with its broken weapons and devouring Mother Goddess worship religions.
Jesus nullified the power of death and symbolically of the endless cycle from within the belly of death by erupting from it in perpetual victory. Returning to the Glorious Luminous Dimension of the Highest Heaven at his Holy Fathers Right Hand of Majesty.
The power of the Day and of Holy and Heavenly Fire purifying the Earth by the renewal of creation symbolically accomplished by the joining of God with Man in Jesus Christ.
Post-Evolists: Dugin’s global historical civilization analysis.
Unfortunately only a few chapters of a few of the books are translated, but many of the chapter names sort of speak for themselves.
https://eurasianist-archive.com/item/noomakhia/
In this, one of the few translated chapters, I learn that Evola translated the Tao Te Ching into Italian.
https://eurasianist-archive.com/2019/11/20/alexander-dugin-noomakhia-principles-for-comprehending-chinese-civilization/
Thank you. Although I see it as a shame that Evola rejected Christianity as a confused Lunar-Solar religion.
But if he only knew the power of Christ especially in the capacity for exorcising demons for example. Then he will find out the Logos is the only way to truly counter the degenerate demonic influences that felled the Aryans Rites and Spiritual Life.
Anyway is there any way to access to free pdf versions?
Sure here’s some free pdf. But in Russian. Yandex translate does a surprisingly good job.
https://klex.ru/lm6
https://www.klex.ru/lm0
https://www.klex.ru/lm3
https://www.klex.ru/12tj
https://www.klex.ru/12th
https://www.klex.ru/lm4
https://www.klex.ru/12tk
https://www.klex.ru/lm5
https://www.klex.ru/12tu
https://www.klex.ru/12ti
https://www.klex.ru/12tm
https://www.klex.ru/lm6
https://www.klex.ru/lm8
https://www.klex.ru/12ss
https://www.klex.ru/12tn
https://www.klex.ru/12ui
https://www.klex.ru/llz
https://www.klex.ru/12to
https://www.klex.ru/jws
This is a fantastic post. I’ve been reading up and finding everything I could on the earliest civilizations for a while now but this really puts all the pieces together.
Can you share what you are reading here? How are going to sift/parse through political correctness and authorship bias?
So should we be ancestor worshipers? How did monotheism come to supplant ancestor worship amongst Aryans, and does it mean we have repudiated our past, and perhaps unknowingly set ourselves up for todays evils in some ways (ancestor worship seems more based)? I guess patriarchal monotheism is the most competitive belief system, but it seems to leave open the opportunity for memetic Leftism infiltration (there is no Greek or Jew, paraphrasing) in a way that ancestor worship pantheons do not. But obviously the former out-competed the latter regardless.
I’m a theistic “agnostic” trying to learn more about religion — I accept theism because of the Kalam cosmological argument (there must be an entity outside of space and time in order to create it), but I am still trying to discern the truth (or the details) from that starting point.
A man should be King and High Priest under his own roof.
Aryans held that when the King and High Priest died, he joined an ever growing collection of household gods. This faith was weak at providing large scale cohesion, so priests tended to talk up the most ancient such Gods, whose descendants were numerous, so we got Aryan groups united by descent in the male line from a common ancestor, after which the group was named. This was the standard form of organization immediately after the collapse of Bronze Age civilization. How Aryans organized before Bronze Age civilization, we do not really know, but it is plausible that the groups overrunning the Bronze Age civilization were those that largely held on to the original form of organization whereby Aryans conquered most of the world.
Trouble with ancestor worship is that you get oversupplied with ancestors eventually. You are obviously going to get better social cohesion by worshiping the one God and memorializing your great ancestors.
Seems like this is solved practically with the communion of saints, which is also theologically consistent with worship of the one true God. A singular moral exemplar, who is both the Son of Man and the Son of God, God is three and God is one, to whom Latria is given exclusively. Then, in the communion of saints, we have ancestors by faith that can give due reverence to and have examples of specific applications of The Way to gain wisdom from.
I genuinely do have faith that, similar to all the other heresies the Church has suffered over the last two millennia, we will overcome the bluepills that have snuck in over the last ~600 years. Ideally involving reconciliation with the East, as the West has succumbed to scholastic autism and holiness spiraling and the East has fallen too far into esoteric mysticism without the grounding of reason.
However it will likely be grassroots movements that preserve any shred of things in our lifetimes, our childrens lifetimes and perhaps longer. Which will look similar to patriarchs without Kings, with bandits either benign or hostile to them.
How do you explain that Neandertah traces in modern non-African humans can be traced exclusively through male line (via Y chromosome), and not at all through female line (via mitochondrial DNA)?
It seems that we actually did not curbstomp Neanderthals and took Neanderthalesses, but rather outbred them and accepted their men as… comrades in arms?
Easy explanation is that neanderthal men like fucking our ancestors women, and that they didn’t kill every half breed that came out.
Also no (high-t level) man wants to fuck a giantess.
I haven’t read that anywhere, but if it is true, it would be that Neanderthal women were too ugly to bang, but neanderthal men were valuable allies in war.
I’m pretty much sure about correctly understanding our Neanderthal ancestry exclusively through the male line.
One explanation was that Neanderthals were not quite the same species as Homo Sapines, so half-breeds might have been able to produce fertile male offspring, but not fertile female offspring.
I think that can be the case with some mutually closely related animals such as big cats. Obviously not with others, such as horse/ donkey/ mule.
However, I wouldn’t really know…
I remember learning that it may have been a case of hybrid infertility that selectively affected the male Sapiens, female Neanderthal pairings.
There was an article called something like, When Orcs Were Real.” It went over the way that Neanderthals probably looked, and the evidence that they had killed and eaten humans, as well as raped the women. Driving our branch near to extinction until the selection pressures made us the vicious, warlike species we are today. Then it was payback time, and we had a population explosion.
We probably have the Neanderthal DNA from those pairings that were human enough to keep as part of the tribe. Maybe some of the raiding Neanderthals decided to stick around and raise his kids, or the kids decided that they identified more with their mothers than their fathers. Also possible that male Human-Neanderthal hybrids were able to take command of human tribes, conquering, ruling, and inserting their genetics. Once a critical mass of Neanderthal genes were reached in the human population, we achieved some ability that made us the preeminent form of life on the planet. “I picked up a rock, and now natural selection is over. This is my planet now, bitches!”
https://treeofwoe.substack.com/p/when-orcs-were-real
Thank you, that is the one.
I’ve read that theory once upon time.
However, while surely made from at least somewhat flattering point of view, modern reconstruction of Neanderthals such as these:
woman 1
woman 2
woman 3
child
man
…do not strike me as particularly “orkish”.
However, they do strike me as pretty much – dwarven. And considering those reconstructions, and the fact that Neanderthals were shorter but sturdier than modern-day humans, and, since we interbred with them, they were at least somewhat likable, it is much more probable to me that they were early models for later legends about dwarves.
This article is foaming at the mouth retarded, from a crazy crank on par with pig-human hybrid lunacy. lol
I fail to see how it is foaming at the mouth crazy. It is making reasonable inferences and seems well-argued, and it does not fall victim to the usual “noble savage” idealized fantasy of prehistoric and premodern humans. The theory holds up to a cursory inspection, and it would offer an explanation of why the Neanderthal DNA comes from the male line.
If men will fuck animals if they get desperate, then they will fuck a Neanderthal. The only explanation for no significant female Neanderthal admixture is the mixed females were sterile mules or the progeny were the result or conquest and rape. If the female mixes were mules, how were the men so effective at reproduction that they could afford to produce no fertile females, meaning that half their offspring were genetic dead ends?
Cannibalism was common among humans for a long time, such as the Greek stories of the Androphagi and African and Polynesian cultures more recently and up to modern day. Rape is so common that human females consider it normal sexual behavior and fantasize about it. War is the crucible in which humanity was forged, so that is hardly an unusual take. It seems plausible at the very least.
Modern reconstruction adopts a modern human phenotype adapted to a Neanderthal skull/skeleton. We have no soft tissue or hair records. For all we know it could be a gorilla or chimpanzee phenotype adapted to a Neanderthal skull/skeleton.
Reconstructionist of 19th century did have exactly such monkey phenotype on their mind when reconstructing Neanderthals. I guess we do not exactly know the whole truth (yet?), bit I’ve read somewhere that modern human phenotype should be much better approximation. See, ‘Thals probably had whole palette of skin colors, and even had gingers (although from a different mutation than modern humans).
Hell, when I’ve found that ‘Thal gentleman’s picture I linked, I asked myself: “That face looks familiar, where I have seen him…?”
Of course, here he is!
Arten’t they the same? 🙂
>How do you explain that Neandertah traces in modern non-African humans can be traced exclusively through male line (via Y chromosome), and not at all through female line (via mitochondrial DNA)?
This is only half right. Neanderthal component of modern humans wasn’t discovered until full sequencing of nuclear dna. It’s absent when you only look at mtdna (requires direct female to female line of descent, also easier to get than full nuclear dna). But modern humans also don’t have direct male line descent from neanderthals – no living Y neanderthal lineages. We used to, but it’s been bred out. So no living direct male line descendants or direct female line descendants, but still 2%+ neanderthal dna somehow.
So that makes things interesting. Possibly the number of interbreedings with fertile offspring was surprisingly low, with some of the genes we got from that so very useful they took off. Or if interbreeding was higher, some of the genes must have been adaptive but others maladaptive, with the latter being gradually bred out as they get broken away from the adaptive ones. Just possibly the neanderthal component pushed us over the edge into fully human and modern even though neanderthals themselves weren’t, but it’s not certain.
And all that said, yes, pairings might have skewed neanderthal male-sapiens female, but we don’t actually know.
Source?
What I read (from David Reich) says that in Neanderthals both mitochondrial and Y chromosome DNA are much more closely related to homo sapiens than they are in autosomal DNA.
https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2022/07/17/the-replacement-of-the-neandersovan-y-and-mtdna/
>in neanderthals
So, the exact opposite of the “in modern non-African humans” I was replying to.
Replacement in neanderthals is interesting in its own right, it means the gene flow went both ways, and may have been more significant going into neanderthals. Probably was some war bride action on both sides, but, we weren’t so very different that they couldn’t be integrated into the tribe.
I’m more interested in perpetuating the white race, which means I need to find wives for my sons and husbands for my daughters. Arranged marriages with other patriarchal/dissident families over the internet seems like it might be necessary, as it’s very unlikely to meet someone suitable from the general population. Things might be very different in 15 years though.
Living near like minded people would obviously help with this and many other things, but that’s hard to coordinate safely, as it would need to be a secret community, and we probably couldn’t agree on where to move to.
Why not just hash it out online, then all move? It’s relatively simple in terms of memetics. “Whites should all move to (state that has a strong winter and good farmland)” It doesn’t need to be secret or complicated.
North Idaho
There is a prevalent thread running through the Old Testament that deals with giants, demons, and their relationship to man. It’s pretty much ignored in all Christian circles today, but it’s real. https://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/lordofspirits
These guys talk about it a lot.
As others have pointed out, 100,000 years ago it was a real “Conan the Barbarian” world, with all manner of hominid species running around. Far greater “diversity” than exists today. You had Neaderthals, Denisovians, “Hobbits” (Homo floresiensis), and probably a number of still extant tribes of Homo Erectus.
Between the time when the oceans drank Atlantis and the rise of the sons of Arius.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztaqe0x0mS4
The seas rose ten thousand years ago, and Aryans conquered Europe using bronze weapons.
So this locates the history of Conan in the Bronze age or neolithic, but Conan’s dad made swords from bloom iron – early iron age.
So this postulates an earlier period of higher civilization, that had at least bloom iron, that was subsequently lost without trace … “undreamt of”. Which is certainly possible, many technologies get lost during dark ages, and dark ages happen pretty regularly, but I do not think it likely.
It could be that Conan’s dad was making swords from bog iron. That may be a very, very, old technology.
How could iron get lost during some forgotten dark age? “before the rise of the sons of Arius”.
Well, making iron requires a bunch of techies who are fed by other people, and have a decent amount of grunt labor available to them, which also needs to be fed and protected, and they need to be fed and protected by an elite, presumably an elite whose authority is ensured by iron swords. Making useful iron if you only have bloom temperature furnaces is very tricky and very labor intensive. Lots of grunt work under very skilled supervision.
Suppose the elite does not have sons, or rather does not know who its sons are. Then they are quite content with heirloom swords, and do not want anyone else to have iron swords. And they are likely to be extremely unhappy about other elites causing new iron swords to be made – we know that the Philistines suppressed iron work among the Hebrews.
So an earlier iron age that was lost is possible. During Bronze Age civilization, it was extremely common for Kingship to run in the female line, indicating that even Kings were not too sure about paternity.
We have no indication that an earlier iron age happened, but we have no good evidence that it did not happen. Room enough for a not impossible good story.
We do, however, have indication that if an earlier iron age happened, there would likely have been giants, dwarves, and hobbits around, though not very numerous, and not in most places. Interfertility with those giants, dwarves and hobbits would be rare or unlikely, and when it happened, the offspring generally infertile.
Because all the good iron ore is long gone, our civilization can only make iron with some fairly advanced technology, that requires a political and social order that sustains large scale cooperation. So a dark age in which we lose iron, and do not recover it, ever, is possible.
Europe continued making iron after Rome collapsed.
I disagree. There would be a lot of scrap metal lying around. It wouldn’t just all evaporate.
Similar think happened with copper. We have found very few copper tools from beginning of copper age, because they were constantly re-smelted and reused.
I’m not intentionally trying to be stupid with this comment, I swear. Did a job on an island once, a cold and remote place. While I usually blame animalistic sex and organic psychotropics, in reality, I left a few tools out because I was slipshod and hasty. It was staggering how much corrosion there was after no more than three days of exposure. This was not a “nice” place climatically; North Atlantic region, enough moisture in the air you could wet your hands with the mist, and salt water is the great destroyer. I distinctly remember a crescent wrench (cheap, low quality) was rendered worthless. Vinegar and elbow grease cleaned them up, but the pitting was noticeable.
Is it possible that iron tools did in fact just “evaporate” over a few thousand years?
Oxidation would like to have a word with you.
Yeah, iron basically evaporates in most conditions- iron and steel artifacts are generally only preserved when buried in oxygen-starved mud in certain rivers and ponds. Hence the ancient custom of burying one’s sword in a body of water.
The Conan world is set between 120 and 50k years ago, at least in the books, in a Eurasia with far lower sea levels and medieval technology coexisting with primitive hominids, but also with the remnants of more advanced civilization from even longer ago. Spiritually, it tells us that everything that has happened has happened before, but on a grander fantasy scale than the historical reality of the Bronze Age and its collapse. The myth of Atlantis tells us how our modernity is likely to end, though it should not be taken literally.
I wasn’t really being all that serious I just always loved that intro to Conan.
Yes, giants, hobbits, and dwarves. Probably orcs, though I think the Neanderthals were dwarves, not orcs.
Possibly, however, a great deal hairier than those flattering reconstructions. We can might reasonably expect that all the earlier humans in the colder regions were pretty hairy, and that the out of Africa invaders had to invent clothing to survive. On the other hands, the Tasmanians lived in a region that is very cold the whole year around, and for six months of the year, very windy and rainy, where no modern human could survive naked and hairless, and they did fine with neither body hair nor clothing, so maybe the dwarves were not too hairy.
What’s your take on Danny Vendramini’s “yeah, they were orcs/Grendel” theory?
Reconstructions look more like Dwarves. Possibly the reconstructions are excessively flattering, since where they do not know, which is most of it, they interpolate modern human features.
Very possible that the reconstructions are as humanlike as possible. “Only one race, the human race.” As the Orc hypothesis points out, and despite other technologies being used by Neanderthals, there is no evidence that they made clothing. All those humanlike renders with the fur clothes are unsupported by available evidence. If you have to make something up to make your discovery seem plausible, what else did you invent that we are not aware of?
I remember when the ability to see the colors the old Roman statues were painted was developed using detection of trace pigments. Of course, they had to carefully explain away why they were painted with pale skin, blue or green eyes, and blond or red hair. Then the discovery just faded away into obscurity. Inconvenient science either quietly disappears or is never made public.
This squid-ink phenomenon is irritating as all hell.
They used spears, hunted in groups, and sailed boats to islands in the Med, etc. There’s evidence they scraped fur off of leather and there’s no real reason to do that besides to make hide clothing. They certainly didn’t wear tight fitting clothing sown with needles. But tight fitting clothing in general took a long time to develop and the simple wrap yourself in hides was very common even for humans due to the high production costs of sewn clothing.
That entire Orc article sounded like sensational bullshit the day it was released and still sounds like bullshit today. I’m surprised people around here take it seriously.
Leather is good for more than just clothing. You can use it for bags or cut it into strips to use to tie tools together. I am not wedded to the appearance being accurate, but it is interesting. I will say that when I saw the render the first time my nape hair went up and I just thought, “Fuck that, kill it with fire.” I have that instinct for some reason, Neanderthal or no.
I do think that the parts about them raping and hunting humans to the point of near extinction is much more compelling, and more relevant to understanding humanity. That would explain where the admixture came from, and why there was such a genetic bottleneck.
Near extinction from fighting them? There’s no evidence for that at all. Humans and Netherlander ran into each as both groups expanded into the Levant and the Netherlanders kicked our asses, but no evidence they moved into African and almost cause the extinction of humans. Netherlanders would have been at a serious disadvantage fighting humans in hot Africa instead of the cool areas they’d been well adapted to.
Of course they ate us and raped our women much as we raped their women and ate them. But we were far enough away in species that only their males and our females where able to produce non sterile young.
If they could do that then they could use it for clothing. The lack of needles indicates a lack of sophistication in tool making and use, not a lack of clothing use. We’ve seen good evidence they had the production of pitch and tar both for assembling weapons and we assume boat building given the number of Islands we found neanderthal remains on.
Finally, Neanderthal berried their dead with honor. Something we didn’t start doing until very late. Human bodies were often just tossed in trash heaps by early human groups. That doesn’t sound very Orc like. Dwarves is a better comparison but we still don’t know enough about Neanderthals. Most of their settlements were on the coasts which are now underwater.
Sapien and Neanderthal share a common ancestor 500k years ago, we see it in the DNA. How could they look like these monsters?
And they did wear basic clothing though not as advanced as early sapien.
More intriguing is species like Homo florisiensis being around just 50k years ago. Those guys had a mix of modern and ancient Australopithecus like features, probably looked like tiny ape men.
Wasn’t the out of Africa theory debunked a while ago as nothing more than left wing “race doesn’t exist” crap due to genetic testing?
It is complicated.
It’s not that complicated.
OOA is being quietly ignored and various iterations of the multi-regional hypothesis are taking shape, in part because of the Denisovans and Homo Floresiensis.
The reality is that various human adjacent families, from literal giants to literal dwarves, existed prior to and along side modern humans for tens of thousands of years.
Much of human myth and legend about epic battles and alliances with strange giants, trolls and pixies are distant echoes of the incredible journey our ancestors took as they encountered these now extinct branches of the human family as we established our dominion over the earth and replaced our much older cousins.
Tolkien’s works are intuitively closer to the truth than the OOA hypothesis.
From what little I understand the Out of Africa hypothesis has been taking a beating in the last decade and there is a very quiet acknowledgement that the multiregional hypothesis, either a weak or the classic variety, is more accurate.
It seems like one of those academic ghost ships that is still sailing on because no researchers want to be the first to imply we aren’t all descended from Africans in the main.
Also as a minor point of interest, from what I have read Zeus is still more derived from the original Sky Father than he is from the Thunderer that Thor and Indra derive from, even though he has the Thunderbolt.
Hercules, from his name (presumably derived from Perkwunos) is what became of the Thunderer among the Greeks, losing his originally divine status in his narrative somewhere along the way. There are some older Greek pottery that depict Hercules wielding the Thunderbolt himself, and in some poems his club is described as “thunderous.”
Walter Burkhert theorized the the core of Hercules was actually extremely ancient and pre-Aryan, originally a shamanic hunter figure of the North Eurasian hunter-gatherers on account of his chasing sacred animals around the world and crossing back and forth to the Otherworld. His encounter with Cerberus, the dog guarding the Underworld, is one of the oldest mythemes we know of.
It’s all somewhat hard to talk about with precision since so many attributes, even epithets and names floated between the deities over the years.
Got any books on the subjects you have discussed? Both on mythos and the dismantling of the out of Africa theory into the regional theory?
And yeah, Zeus is derived from Deus, as is Tiwaz the original All Father of Germanic myth, before Wotan took over and got split into two deities, Odin and Loki.
I can recommend Burkert’s “Greek Religion” for Hercules and Greek myth generally. Unfortunately I can’t think of a single source for the rest of the comparative mythology parts.
The OOA is mostly academic stuff I’ve seen from Twitter. The user Stone Age Herbalist in particular has a few tweets about it.
>Got a book on that?
Homo Erectus Walks Amongst Us is one I’ve recently read. Advances a variant of the multi-regional hypothesis, with a new emphasis on homo sapiens sapiens proper originating in eurasia, in the climactic zone with cold winters and warm summers. Greater genetic diversity in Africa is then assigned to Africa being where more intelligent human subspecies push into and temporarily dominate, before interbreeding with older refugia, plus running up against selection pressure against higher intelligence. (Big brains are metabolically expensive, and not a clear winner when food and the climate are the same year round.)
Plus there’s just not enough time to derive the caucasian and oriental skeletal frame from an African ancestor in the out-of-Africa time frame. Some form of multi-regionalism better explains observed continuity of features with european and asian homo erectus.
All the above has the benefit of explaining new genetic evidence that Africans are 19% “unknown ghost lineage.” Where ghost lineage is something we don’t have any other genetic samples of, it’s inferred by comparison to other living humans. So we don’t know it’s homo erectus, and we’re unlikely to ever find bone with retrievable dna from that age and in that climate, but… it’s almost certainly homo erectus. And if not erectus specifically, something equally primitive.
I haven’t read anything by Coon specifically, and probably should, so I’ll await other recommendations as well.
I started gathering sources for this post, but then i considered my favorite neanderthal enthusiast’s praxis concerning sources, and instead quote him:
“I was there. I remember.”
Europeans have a few cranial and skeletal oddities in common with neanderthals, which are general among europeans, prevalent in east asians and american indians to the extent they share ancient ancestry with europeans, and completely unheard of in blacks. This in itself doesn’t prove much, but leads me to think twice concerning 2-4% heritage from neanderthals and the rest coming from african sapiens.
Black africans have genetic traces from a mixing with an unknown species (the ghost population mentioned several times already) that predate the out of (north) africa exodus, which is non existant in other races, thus confirming that we have been genetically isolated from sub saharan africa since before their mixing with the ghosts.
North africans were mediterraneans, not blacks, considerably whiter before millennia of slave trading.
The cro magnon seemingly appeared out of nowhere fully formed -40k, pretty much modern europeans.
The Guanche, who left blonde mummies, shared genetics with ancient north africans. The ordinary account of this is that a few berbers got over there -3k, but the genes are at least -8k, so no fly.
My vague image to explain confirmed gene flows is an atlantic stone age culture, derived from neanderthals or from their shared heidelbergensis ancestors, centered on and originating on atlantis, ie the atlantic ridge, where the azores islands were huge mountaintops, also present in both north africa and america. They where the “out of africa”ns -70k, or a mixed race of them and previously present africans, they were the cro magnon arriving -40k, and they were the middle eastern farmers arriving after the northern hemisphere got burned to a crisp from a comet storm setting the entire sky ablaze and ending the ice age with a major impact on the north pole, sinking atlantis, and eradicating every trace that they ever existed in ekpyrotic hellfire and the cataclysmic flood that followed.
And i think the guanche mummies, who are white and blonde, were their direct descendants.
I might actually give arguments rather than just asserting it if pressed, but short on time today.
I’d love to hear your take on Atlantis being at the Atlantic Ridge. That squares with my own assessment but I haven’t found/read a good geological explanation for what happened.
The Atlantic ridge has a few mountain tops today that reach above sea level, for example the Azores. They would have been rather more extensive during the ice ages when sea levels were lower, and we know that early humans did impressive feats of island hopping.
But if Atlantis was the Atlantic ridge, the Azores would have human settlement from ancient times. They did not.
Please do elaborate if you find the time.
That’s better even than “This was once revealed to me in a dream”.
I find it absolutely hilarious that ifunny has a crop function used to hide its own logo.
“Know yourself and your audience, and you need not fear the outcome of 6 gorillian meme trends.”
https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/r9k/image/1495/63/1495632574869.png
Where did native Americans and Incans come from?
BTW, I am Australian so I can speak a bit about abbos. Abbos, dark like roads, sit around in circles of 10 to 30 boongs. What do they do all day? I have no clue. I see them drinking and yammering about some bullshit the entire time, taking up space in public parks and beside train stations. Most hang around in the centre of the city but some live in certain shitty suburbs a fair distance away (those abbos are lighter coloured). Typical suburban areas a 20 minute walk from the city centre have barely any abbos. Keep a few metres away from groups of boongs and don’t make eye contact with any of them or they get aggressive.
When you hear people on the street screeching for no reason it’s an abbo shouting some incomprehensible shit to a group of abbos across the road. My coworkers remark on the ‘methheads’, guess it’s crimestop.
Amerindians came to the terra incognita over the Bering land bridge; so of related stock to the same peoples who eventually became east asians.
I still support the theory, discredited in academic circles, that there was decent admixture from Europe over an ice bridge. Injuns are interesting folk. Not smart, but unlike niggers they maintain a sort of Stone Age dignity, a type of humanity that inspires respect, if not ruined by drugs. There’s potential for a strong race there given the right pressures.
My woman has an Elizabeth warren-tier drop of Injun blood, which the nation recognizes, and it might be a decent refuge in case of civilizational calamity.
Presumably most related to the siberian east asians, some of who look rather white.
Cochran has referenced research that claims there are traces of melanesian/polynesian DNA in South American Amerinds.
Polynesians obviously had the open ocean seagoing capability to reach America for a very long time , but probably lacked a sufficient technological lead to displace the natives. It would be surprising if there was not Polynesian DNA in South America.
https://www.science.org/content/article/earliest-south-american-migrants-had-australian-melanesian-ancestry
There are some very interesting Ancient North Eurasian mythemes present in Native American mythologies- the guard dog of the Otherworld, berserker-esque wolf-warriors, an association of dogs with protection against evil spirits, shamanic initiations that resemble some found among the Finns (and which may be the source of Odin’s runic initiation).
I believe one major Indian nation had a story that resembled the archetypal battle of the Thunderer against a Serpent holding back the waters, but that could also have been an invention of missionaries.
This is what native Siberian look like (or rather their larping descendants).
http://easykam.ru/assets/easyimage/a/a808219e5aa7f4001d0daf08212a37a8.jpg
http://easykam.ru/assets/easyimage/f/fc2b8f1001d8502d6e81e4df23688a27.jpg
http://almode.ru/uploads/posts/2021-03/thumbs/1615881533_60-p-natsionalnaya-odezhda-eveni-66.jpg
http://almode.ru/uploads/posts/2021-03/thumbs/1615881597_53-p-natsionalnaya-odezhda-eveni-58.jpg
http://yakutiakmns.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/246130123_4410121352404739_119203705506211387_n-768×364.jpg
http://klublady.ru/uploads/posts/2022-02/thumbs/1645259598_4-klublady-ru-p-obraz-foto-tungusa-v-natsionalnoi-odezhde-4.jpg
Russia expanded eastward through the taiga and tundra, met those peeps, then the Aleut islands, then Alaska and North California, and to the Russian explorer there was no great difference between the natives.
South America perhaps has some Pacific Ocean stock via insane long boat trips.
Norway, Sweden, and Finland have a variation of the Siberian tribes, the Sami tribes, but those appear to be more white.
Bunch of shamanic eskimos basically. Some of whom crossed over to North America. Some of their southern mongoloid cousins built the pyramids of Indochina. Perhaps as the mongoloids from North America spread south they also started doing pyramids.
Perhaps in Indochina and in South America at some point there were mixtures in both places of northern mongoloids and pacific ocean islander blood.
Today’s Chinese word for “good” is pronounced “how” like the stereotypical injun, who knows if this is a coincidence.
What’s not a coincidence is that the sweet potato Ipomoea batatas is called “kumara” in all native languages from its South American homeland across the South Pacific to modern-day New Zealand.
It would appear that, like the Dissident Right has and holds Dune as their Treasured Fictional Guide, Jimian Christianity has Conan. On the face of it, this seems silly, but it is strangely appropriate, and every time Our Barbarian gets invoked, the emotional and spiritual connection to that story becomes more apparent. I watched that movie at an inappropriately young age, and while I quickly moved on to other fictions, I also fell down the poisoned well, as it were. Maybe Conan is all one needs…
What are the Treasured Fictional Guides of other ideological factions?
Conan was written and directed by John Millis a man that is the first reactionary truth teller I came across. He was well versed in history, religion, mythology and he told no lies about the nature of men.
While the first film draws inspiration from the pastiches and comics imagery, it captures admirably the spirit of the original Howard stories. Despite his many flaws (shooting yourself while your mother is on her deathbed is a biggy), Howard was a master storyteller with few peers. None of the later Conan pastiches come close to emulating the original action prose.
I thought he shot himself after it was confirmed his mother was dead.
She was in a coma, and he was told she would not recover. So, that was it for him. Very tragic.
My mother was in a vegetative state for six weeks, then woke up and lived another five years. You never know.
It was a very strange feeling to have her home again sitting at the table, eating a dinner she cooked. Like when the recently deceased visit us in our dreams, but real.
The film was mostly Millis own world view. It didn’t really have any of the barbarian vs civilization theme that was laced through Howard’s work.
No doubt Milius put his own stamp on the film, but he still dealt with the barbarian vs civilization theme, mostly through King Osric. That character is Conan decades later. He gained a kingdom through his own sword and attempts to start a dynasty. But his daughter runs off with a negro priest of Set. Guess who’s coming to dinner, indeed.
Maybe that’s too fast a decline from vigor to decadence to be truly effective but it’s there.
All good points.
I would like to propose that in addition to Conan that any reactionaries also read the mainline Metabaron comic book series. Its a 8 book space opera series that follows the lineage of cybernetic warriors called the Metabaron (the title given to the greatest warrior in the universe). Written by Alejandro Jodorowsky and illustrated by Juan Giménez. While heavily influenced by Dune I think it does a good job exploring the warrior archetype. Each book in the series follows a new generation in the Metabaron bloodline as each son has to kill his father in mortal combat in order to gain the title of Metabaron.
Excellent comic books, Metabarons, and also part of broader Incal universe. And, no, for casual readers, that universe is small, measured by less than 20 comic books. The rest of those comics are of another thematic, though, and only The Metabaron is one of the main characters in some of them.
Regarding Dune, when I was young, I liked it but thought back then that having “feudalism IN SPACE” is a little bit silly.
Now, I find it perfectly reasonable.
>tfw you see a 2004 comment on the wikipedia page and you know you’ve found a Story instead of a Product
Looks epic:
https://www.humanoids.com/assets/CatalogueArticle/604/Metabarons_zoomed.jpg
https://www.humanoids.com/assets/CatalogueArticle/771/259091543_Metabaron_V1_ID771_0_8214_zoomed.jpg
teehee:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/j9mPDykmVuAvKxapOH-KVVM9qi5pZaql8cCNXzoUH6yZRFYzMZ6WWu68TwEFn-nUSjlon4urYkhJLs-7Mjloo0EVl-V140eNySosa6Ff3q7ux11fUCMeIDYNMb6tj9QQebvKCA=s4000
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The fantasies of the pussy-deprived are always fascinating. They believe that, given all the power and status they could handle (and more besides), they would funnel their energies into sex-having. And to be sure, there are rampant lads who would rut themselves into oblivion if possible. But history shows us, again and again, that too many women is not good, and conquering vagina is actually quite boring, when compared to conquering land, vanquishing adversaries, and building empires.
Just as the normie and the Jimian Christian acolyte is duped into believing money == power/status, so too is he bamboozled by the “delights” of tail chasing. “Man, that guy can get any women to join him in bed, he’s a Chad.” Real power is not those who chase it, rather it is reserved for those that merely extend their hand, and what they require is placed into it. Understand, this is not some crypto-faggot, betta bluepill entreaty. Pursuing women and conquering there bodies is great sport. But it remains sport, and only a simpleton is satiated by sport alone. Sport is simulated slaughter. Running down a fox, treeing a bear, satisfying indeed. But to make sport the *end* as opposed to the means, is actually a counsel of desperation. Consider the following:
https://fieldethos.com/
It’s actually a delightful little site, full of short, interesting stories and excellent anecdotes pulled from the fun diversions of the rightward elite. After a few stories, you’ll want to go to a hunting lodge, crash around on quadbikes, and make memories with your bros. This is good and healthy, and there is actually a lot of good, if simple, guidance for men contained therein. But I ask you to dig deeper and take the Autist’s approach to the people and stories you find. I posit that these are the disenfranchised conservative elites attempting to paper over their infinite sadness and desperation from being denied the fulfillment of the Occidental Masculine Imperative, that being to range far and wide, conquer what you can, and drag home the spoils. Having been shunned from the halls of power, status, and influence, they seek contentment in hunting, fishing, and “adventure.” Again, there’s not a single thing wrong with these activities as diversion, as sport. But when you make diversion your ethos, you are yielding the realms of power and control to the Adversary, the managerial midwit that has excommunicated you from your GNON given haunt. On the surface, I see monied men of influence relishing in the delights of land, guns, and brotherhood. Underneath, I see hunters, dominators, stackers of bodies penned up in a reservation, forced to apply their talents and aggression to unnecessary resource collection.
Just as the young man must mature and realize that chasing tail is not the destination, it is the means to an end, that end being building families and expanding status, power, and legend through offspring and earthly works, so too must the fractured realm of masculine conservatism be taught, be showed that finding like minded fellows with shared tastes, interests, and proclivities is not the end, it is means to an end, that end being organization, operationalization, and domination.
…lol, that escalated quickly. That comic is awesome, as is pussy and hunting. Just wandering around on the keyboard, no intention to concern troll or be gay. The Cathedral’s most effective tool appears to be confusing Means with Ends, and rectifying that necessity hierarchy could be a powerful and useful endeavor, in my opinion.
They were three friends, provincial poets who focused on the decadence of late stage civilizations: Robert E Howard, H.P. Lovecraft, and Clarke Ashton Smith.
An optimistic urbane maverick is 1930’s Simon Templar (The Saint) by Leslie Charteris. A more brooding and bruisable version is in the 1950’s James Bond novels by Ian Fleming.
Cynical US urban mavericks are described by Raymond Chandler and Mickey Spillane.
A reactionary 1990s Russian anti-Tolkien (as in fuck the lying elves) is Perumov.
https://avidreaders.ru/author/nik-perumov/
Only Godsdoom is translated into English, and perhaps somewhat clumsily at that, but it made quite a splash across continental Europe back in the day.
download https://b-ok.xyz/book/1560847/2be794
Also there are hundreds of additional hardcover Conan adventures written by russian writers and available only in russian.
https://kniganika.ru/knigi/podarochnye-izdaniya/saga-o-konane-komplekt-iz-121-knigi/
If looking at this pile doesn’t motivate a guy to learn the damn language, nothing will.
Also Red Sonja
http://vsebook.ru/fantastic/89277-saga-o-ryzhej-sone-v-16-tomax.html
And King Kull
http://vsebook.ru/fantastic/99194-saga-o-kulle-seriya-v-12-tomax-1997-2003-fb2-pdf.html
All early fantasy is reactionary. Even the pre-fantasy Romantic movement (i.e. Tennyson’s King Arthur) is a reaction to the dreary scientific reductionism of the Victorian age.
Of course, Tolkien’s fantasy offers a rather different solution than REH’s because Tolkien was a spiritual peasant or, at least, a man who loved the peasantry. The Scouring of the Shire is the most powerful example of “I just want to grill” ever written. The Hobbits aren’t degenerate. Their problem is that the evil of the world outside won’t leave them alone, so they ally with the nobility (Aragorn, Gandalf, Theoden) to wipe out the powers of darkness. This is Moldbug’s political proscription.
Nothing wrong with being a peasant. Aidan once said (paraphrase): “Even if you’re a spiritual peasant, there’s a tough-as-roots farmer somewhere deep inside you that doesn’t take shit from his woman.”
REH, in contrast, was either a natural warrior or a priest who hated priestliness and yearned for the unconflicted life of action. By this ax, I rule! The Conan stories shout their moral: we weren’t made to be crushed underfoot, dreary subjects of the longhouse.
Both men are correct. A lot of online-right strife bubbles up from the conflict between spiritual peasants (especially notable with e-Catholics) and those who lean more towards nerve and vigor.
The great weakness of Tolkien is that he dismisses action (Boromir) without seeing it’s full worth. The great weakness of Howard is that Conan lacks a moral element. He’s all action. He plunders and despoils with little thought to the consequences. He’s a loner, with no skill of cooperation beyond the face-to-face brotherhood of men who know and respect each other. He can only rule Aquilonia because of the pre-existing morals that enable civilizational cooperation. On his own, Conan could never rule more than a ship, a tribe or an army.
If you can rule an army you can probably run a country though as its said…
You can conquer an empire on horseback but to rule you have to get off the horse.
“, so they ally with the nobility (Aragorn, Gandalf, Theoden) to wipe out the powers of darkness. This is Moldbug’s political proscription.”
And it would be correct if there were any nobility hostile to the enemy to ally with… but I’m prettysure Moldbug says that the peasants politically 99% of the time just don’t matter.
Peasants matter when the priests confirm the aristocracy’s summons to the peasants to fight.
Reflect on Constantine’s victory.
Constantine’s troops hailed him as Imperator, a most dangerous honor. The official priesthood of his army said “No”. And if the troops believed them, he would die. But he recognized that faith as a zombie dead religion, and had his troops march on Rome behind the banners of Christ.
Same troops, same training, same equipment on both sides. No clever tactics, because everyone is trained in the same tactics. Constantine’s officers just say “There is the enemy, and behind them Rome. Advance.” His troops cut through the enemy like a hot knife through butter, despite enemy superior numbers and home field advantage, because at least some of his officers have a live religion, and the enemy has a dead one.
The religious elements in Conan stories are worth consideration, particularly in the ones dealing with his rule of Aquilonia.
Most of the deities in the lore are Lovecraftian, but not exclusively. Aside from Crom, god of basedness, in the first Conan story, Phoenix in the Sword, King Conan is given supernatural aid by a mysterious philosopher-priest of Mitra, the god of Stoicism perhaps. When Howard returned again to Conan’s rule being challenged in Hour of the Dragon, priests of Asura, patterned somewhat on early Christians in hostile Rome, grant him assistance and he later rewards them with an official decree of religious tolerance.
What’s the best way to go about learning [Slavic Language] and which flavor do you recommend?
Russian-speaking local lady giving private lessons of course:)
I’m a single-Slav type guy (my woman is Polish and Hungarian as well as other white ingredients) so that option is out. Is duolingo worth the effort?
Mummified spinster local Russian lady giving private lessons then 😀
Here’s the alphabet. Once the letters make sense, that’s a good entry for online lessons.
https://survival-russian.ru/uroki-russkogo-yazyka-dlya-inostrantsev/russkii-alfavit/
Saturation is a good way.
Online TV https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWBoSnu8uN4 (TV always sucks)
films https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5+%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BC%D1%8B+2022 (also mostly crap)
Belorussian TV, clip on the great reset https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThDDykHZzT8&list=PLuGCnujoOtrcN7sWAoqNDAmXZ-d85PXds
Once the foreign language saturation goes beyond a few days, the endless jibber-jabber starts turning into recognizable separate components, and that’s when it’s time to start learning for real either online or with some old widow/geezer.
First, consider how Leftists venerate Harry Potter. Then consider what Conan thinks of wizards.
Even when circumstances had Conan once temporarily ally with a sorcerer, he had no taste for it:
“Crom!” his mighty shoulders twitched. “A murrain on these wizardly feuds! Pelias has dealt well with me, but I care not if I see him no more. Give me a clean sword and a clean foe to flesh it in. Damnation! What would I not give for a flagon of wine!”
-The Scarlet Citadel
Not all the wizards in Conan stories are bad, just like 90% of them are. Most of them also come from Stygia though… and Stygians tend to be bad 90% of them.
IKAGW: I know a good wizard.
Oh, forgot about the benevolent witch in Hour of the Dragon. She had supernatural powers that would be termed “druidic” in gaming terms.
Of the pastiches and comics, my favorite wizardly alliance is an issue from the 70s Marvel run that paired up Conan with Elric. I think Moorcock contributed to the script for that.
IKAGW is a fucking treasure. It’s the ultimate defense of intellectual hierarchy in its right place.
IKAGW?
It’s a playful riff on IKAGO, I know a good one. Like when normiecons respond to serious discussion of feral blacks by trotting out a Thomas Sowell like figure to derail the conversation.
IKAGO?
Not sure where the confusion is, if indeed there is any. Perhaps referring to the “I know a good one” phenomenon by its acronym is a little too obscure on my part.
Modernity venerates Harry Potter. Both the modern right and the modern left are operating in the same world view of Star Trek to Star Wars to Harry Potter.
It’s just that the modern right hold nostalgic interpretations of modernity while the modern left ever progresses forward burning the previous series in favor of the newer and more progressive.
i.e.modern conservatives defend JKR while the modern left derides her for being a TERF.
Reject Potter
Embrace Conan
Deus lo Vult
Blessed are the based, for their memes are dank.
Potter is modernity.
Conan is closer to BAPian.
Deus lo Vult is encroached upon by both and needs a hard rejection of Potter and a soft rejection of Conan.
That’s not easy when digital paganism is eclipsing digital Deus lo Vult.
Memes are running through every excess imaginable in Dionysian fashion.
Not seeing digital paganism eclipsing digit Deus Vult.
I mostly hang out on Gab, where Deus Vult seems to have the upper hand. Where are you hanging out? Twitter and the Chans are all shills all the time. Lot of shills on Gab, but not doing too well. The actually Republican part of the Republican party is at least going through the motions of aping Christian Nationalism.
Unz’s comments section is overrun with Muh Odin LARPers and they are very hostile to Christianity because “did you know Jesus was a Jew?” Sailer tends to keep his comments relatively clean of that, fortunately.
Unz has DA JOOOS! on his brain. He sees the Cathedral but does not understand it, likes to blame it all on Jewish influence. I do not know if he is a shill/controlled opposition or if he seriously does not believe that they could believe what they say. Either way, he is corrupted by modernity. Which is sort of funny because he is a Jew, raging about Jewish influence and blind to the Christian heresies that have him enthralled.
Ron Unz is pushing back on Holocaustians etc, but he is not pushing back on the Muh Odin shills. So, the shills sound like the consensus. Standard shill tactics. Shills always sound like the consensus. If I allowed Anonymous Fake’s comments through, he would sound like the consensus, because a shill always assumes universal acceptance of whatever he is shilling.
Pay no attention to a thousand posts assuming consensus. One post that speaks the truth annihilates a thousand posts that assume their lie is unopposed, because the post speaking the truth challenges the lie, while the lie dare not challenge the truth.
@Hesiod
Many of these people trying to bring back ancient Pagan religions like various Greco-Roman cults and Norse feel like LARPers and are treated as such. But what I see forming on the internet is a new Paganism birthed out of the void left behind by the diminishing of Christianity. Meme personifications are the pantheon of digital Paganism.
@Wulfgar Thundercock III
It’s understandable. Jews are not the main driving force, at least not today, but some of them have a way of sticking out in a highly public, arrogant, and annoying way that just really, really gets under people’s skins. Unz is the type who has had too much proximity to the liberal Jewish community so I don’t think he is controlled opposition but rather more like a jilted Jew. Many such cases. Read Isreali opinion editorials and you’ll find many of them complaining about Jews.
@jim
It’s been proposed before that there could be a trash bin that certain commenters would have their comments automatically routed to. It’s getting tiresome seeing long segments of the comment section full of [* *].
I keep encouraging certain shills, because entryists turn. So far no known turners, but then they hardly would turn under their old id.
I mostly skim /pol/ though I also track Twitter/Gab and the odd Reddit. A variety of other sites, but mostly read think tank stuff. A bit of trolling in Discord every so often to see what the young people are doing.
But mostly I just talk with people irl and listen without giving my opinion. Many churches are hemorrhaging people and many more are secularizing if not out right satanic.
“Not seeing digital paganism eclipsing digit Deus Vult.”
A number of the more popular memes are personifications of human experience. Personifications that are strong enough in the group lingo/psyche end up as pseudo Gods. No different from how Dionysus is a personification/God of drinking and festivity or on the darker side madness.
Pepe, GigaChad, Wojak, etc are becoming a pantheon of a digital paganism at a time where Church attendance and Bible reading is collapsing. Covid accelerated the process among the Protestants and the current Pope for Catholics. Orthodoxy is coming out ahead by cannibalizing membership of other churches. Morality and spirituality is getting replaced by meme personifications. Many kids today can’t recite a single verse from scripture but can do a fortnight dance. These kids are not devoid of morality or spiritualism, but what they have is definitely not Christian. It’s clear they are getting their morality/spiritualism from either Cathedral authorities such as schools or online dissident memes which are largely a sort of proto-Paganism in nature.
Most online communities largely do not feel like old time religion, even the Christian ones, that you can occasionally find in scattered American communities. They definitely don’t talk like them. What they do feel like is similar to pagan Greeks and Romans. Just look at some of the graffiti that has been preserved in Pompeii and you’ll see their shit posting is familiar if not outright similar to Chan lingo. Our conflicts with feminists is similar to Greek conflicts with their power hungry women. The absurdities of our time map fairly well onto Athenian or Roman times, but poorly on Shakespearean.
This is my read on the situation. I hope I’m wrong.
Our guys
Pepe is a chaos God, but he knows that Satanists are dangerous and hostile to him. Not an ally, but an enemy of our enemies.
GigaChad is not a chaos God, but the personification of the masculinity that Christianity commands and our enemies criminalize.
Wojak our ridicule of our enemies as weak, crazy, robotic, mindless, and unmanly
There are plenty of Pepe praying God memes out there. Also, ones that portray Pepe with Jesus in which Pepe is the obvious stand-in for the Christian believer. None are ironic. Funny, yes; insincere, no.
Our guys
You must accept that there is literally nothing that indicates that Pepe can’t lead people back to the Old Way, Pax. The Old Way is lots of things, and one of the biggest, maybe the biggest in the US, is a Christian Society. Of course, it can lead to many other things, too. Life is competitive.
I find your “digital paganism” thesis very interesting, but I don’t think you should argue it. I think you should substantiate it. Fads and trends come and go. Nothing seems to be sticking permanently if it comes after the 1980s. We’re in a general “80s worship” period. If we revert to an earlier time instead of moving to “90s worship, then my assertion may be correct. Historically, the real measure of a Belief is a killing for/dying because numbers. Internet trends are not matching Nationalism or Religiosity at a historical scale, and the first entrant (the Reddit Battalion) faired so poorly it isn’t even a joke that gets made (as compared to the Polish Paratroopers in Market Garden who marred the very character of their national kin because of bad intel).
I will believe in “digital paganism” when I see a Pepe stained glass window in a church that Kek built, but I am convinced by and fascinated with your implied assertion that there’s a fundamental difference between a “neo-Pagan” (internet larper) and a “digital pagan” (human using personages and talismans to navigate their existential journey), precisely because I could see a Kekist being a thing and it getting things built. Time will tell.
Excess was a major component of Paganism. Religious celebration of personifications lead to behavior without bounds thus cults. e.g. Roman orgies and feasts.
Christianity dealt with excess by taking the personifications of human experience and tempering them under one God. e.g. Drink and be merry but also don’t be an alcoholic and don’t drink in certain circumstances.
Right now these memes are useful tools against our enemies, but at some point they may become something more. Hence a soft rejection is in order when circumstances permit.
It is indeed paganism; adopting said memetic icons as spiritual ancestors. It is not early stage paganism, but late stage; foreign “gods†are incorporated into the believer’s worldview. I don’t see a historical parallel; it is ironic worship, like late Antiquity, but also serves as a locus of memetic resistance to the dominant religion rather than being the dominant religion, which gives it fervor that did not exist in ancient Rome.
“Pepe, GigaChad, Wojak, etc are becoming a pantheon of a digital paganism at a time where Church attendance and Bible reading is collapsing. Covid accelerated the process among the Protestants and the current Pope for Catholics. Orthodoxy is coming out ahead by cannibalizing membership of other churches.”
Cannibalizing is quite the loaded word. It suggests Orthodoxy is burning through its own seed corn, so to speak, that the new converts won’t stick around.
I visited a Church in another state and struck up a conversation with a young guy I’d never seen before. He volunteered the information that there was an historical St. Conan and you could therefore name your son Conan. He then mused on the possibility of a St. Chad. Happily, I was able to inform him that such a saint in fact existed.
I’m going to take that as representative rather than a bizarre coincidence. The guy wasn’t in the least spergy or autistic. It was just the sort of thing he would talk about after Church and he expected I would talk about as well.
My home Church is much the same way. Boomer priest saying “…now I’m not anti-Semitic but…” and everyone thinking “you don’t have to justify yourself this way.”
The internet memeplex is just a vulgar form of art. It’s not paganism. Spanish Catholic art obviously bears a heavy imprint from Moorish Islam (ornate abstraction) but there was nothing Islamic about the Spanish Empire. Cortez didn’t complement Thomas Aquinas with the Hajj.
Digital Paganism is a combination of LARP, fed shills, left entryists, and an inconsequential rime of true believers. The unassailable fact is that actual Neo-Pagans do not use the internet full stop. If they can’t acknowledge this, they are fake and gay. Right Wing paganism should not be countenanced online, unless the representative explicitly acknowledges that they are a clown.
Supporting Evidence #001: oog in handjob
OK, I fucked up my terms here and above. Digital Pagan is fake and gay. Neo-Pagan is a guy living in the woods worshipping the old gods. “digital paganism” is a fascinating idea that certain memes, due to timing and events, could actually become spiritual touchpoints or anchorpoints for a religion forming in response to immense pressure from deleterious social manipulation.
“I fucked up my terms here”
I started the confusion, that’s on me. Part of the problem is that there isn’t, to my knowledge, specific terms for what I’m trying to describe. The other problem is that I may have been too influenced by Landian schizoanalysis. Should I be worried that LSD infused writings of Land’s CCRU made sense to me?
I’m using the term (digital) Pagan(ism) very loosely and abstractly. What I see as the key component of ancient Paganism is personification and ritual celebration of specific human desires/experiences/behaviors that are independent of the whole human and thus without boundary.
Historical Paganism is very dead and it’s not reviving, but what happens in a moral and spiritual void left behind the collapse of the Church? Check out the collapse numbers it’s not pretty. [1]
It’s even worse when you recognize that most “Christians” today don’t even believe the traditional tenants such as absolute moral truth. [2]
Something fills the void. On the left we have religious devotion to the great and terrible goddess of democracy and the covetous god of equality. [3] These gods have spawned the cult of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion which demand public oaths of faith. [4] Self castration/hysterectomy is an extreme demonstration to the trans cult. Programmer socks are their religious garment. [5] This is on par with Pagan behavior and their excesses similar to Moloch worship.
On the right we nominally have the one true God, but God is often suspiciously absent in the fight against the modern Pagan left. Our leaders rarely reference Biblical scripture compared to 100 years ago or even 10 years ago. They do not sound like God fearing men, Some like Matt Gaetz parties like any true Roman Pagan would have.
What we do have is a plethora of memes that often take the shape of personifications of the human experience. God Emperor Trump [5] was a bit tongue in cheek at first. Over time edges close to idolatry, and based on the sorry state of Qanon and Jan 6 folk appear to have taken with genuine sincerity. I’m not saying the right is Pagan (yet) but the circumstances of declining Christianity and the digital personifications we have online such as GigaChad/Pepe/etc along with the personas we take upon ourselves runs a certain risk of getting out of control.
The left was the first major segment of the west to abandon the Church and we see the result in their Pagan behavior and their new Pagan (democracy/equality/lgbt) religions. The right maybe following suit. It’s hard to tell, but the future might be Pagan on both left and right at least in America. Since these new Gods of the new/potential Pagan religions reside online I suppose we should call it Digital Paganism.
[1] https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2019/10/17/in-u-s-decline-of-christianity-continues-at-rapid-pace/
[2] https://www.arizonachristian.edu/2020/10/06/us-christians-embrace-secularism-in-post-christian-america/
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goddess_of_Democracy
[4] https://deipace.com/
[5] https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/programming-socks
[6] https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/god-emperor-trump
Christianity is not declining. It is a mustard seed sprouting vigorously. The converged Churches, which is just about all of them, are declining.
The actual Christians are Christian nationalists, for the most part, and Christian nationalism is getting big enough to scare our enemies.
I am seeing a Christian revival, probably tiny in absolute terms, but it is the only real living movement around, and rapidly getting bigger. Christianity is good at this, and has done it before.
So, there’s paganism and Paganism. The former is a catch-all for any primitive faith with a pantheon of demi-gods. The latter is a faith with a more or less specific pantheon.
As this applies to modern culture (a left/right distinction is unnecessary) there are people attempting to reinvigorate the “Old Religion,” but it is kind of silly because there’s plenty of religiosity performing all the functions primitive paganisms provided. Devotion, sacrifice, augury, omens, loyalty, fear; on 4chan alone you can find these things, and Reddit and all the other online communities are just a censored and boring twisted reflection of 4chan. Living as a neo-Pagan is appealing to some, me included, because the idea of putting down the smartphone, abandoning polite society, and living naturalistic is pretty based. That’s organic neo-Paganism. To participate in modern society is a refutation or abandonment of it, and this memetic razor can and should be deployed by anyone arguing with neo-Pagan LARPers.
The use of Pepe as a memetic expression of the full panoply of human spirituality is… weird. Pepe, gigaChad, and Wojack are memetic Trinity that aligns well with the actual Trinity. It is the three acts of the struggle for modern man to become that which he cannot find: the ideal modern man. We are all Wojack and Pepe and gigaChad at different points; to remain Wojack, never relishing in the reckless abandon of Pepe or the masculine domination of gigaChad, is a failure. Each one is an aspect of the internet male. Reddit is Wojack, Gab is Pepe, and JB is gigaChad. You can rotate and apply this triune configuration in many places. Its elegant applicability is a demonstration of its usefulness and beauty.
Over time, all human groups begin to worship useful, beautiful things because of their elegance, and they forget that the beautiful, useful thing was merely a conduit, a representation intended to demonstrate GNON compliance. It’s a consistent human failing: we murder or worship the messenger and lose hold of the message.
The proliferation of Memes, separate from memetics that we often discuss BTW, will inevitably lead to a religiosity custom, just as atheism lead to Atheismâ„¢ and science became Scienceâ„¢. This is fascinating, because while humans always start constructing golden bulls 5 minutes after Moses turns his back, we have no Moses, no holy men on a journey with plans to come back and show the way. We’ve been building and worshipping golden bulls for decades now. GNON always provides a path back to natural law. Kekism could be that path, just as it could be yet another route to annihilation and destruction.
8 years ago, over a period of a mere 17 days, one of the greatest upswellings of memetic magic in internet history took place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwBZ0im-w0E
Higher Man thirsts for the water of spirit; even the merest dews may bloom into sprawling oases where untrammeled – such is the desert of modernity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4vOoyyMI4s
Potential assassination attempt on Alexander Dugin in Russia:
https://hiddencomplexity.substack.com/p/breaking-news-dugin-assassination
I have not dug into this yet, so any corroboration or refutation welcome.
I’m not convinced Dugin has this big role in Putin’s thinking. It always seemed like nonsense.
In any case that nonsense might have cost his daughter’s life now.
Doubtful that Russia will escalate against this. Ukraine has pretty much crossed every red line already. I mean we have almost daily explosions in Crimea and Russia now.
War stuff in a warzone is not really an escalation. Based on the discussions about IEW on this blog, the general consensus was that IEW will be “assassination heavy,” as it is essential to find, own, and deconstruct enemy node networks in both meat and digital space. Once one side or faction begins using assassination effectively, there will be an escalation of the tactic elsewhere. Consider the time and waste that could have been saved if Putin had just gone after Zelensky and his core supporters.
The wave of assassinations is coming, I believe, both high and low profile. This may be the starting point. Mar-a-Lago could also be viewed as a sort of “character assassination” of sorts.
Russia is not applying information epoch warfare, not fully in Ukraine, and not outside Ukraine.
This assassination attempt was information epoch warfare, applied against Russia, probably from Harvard, the State Department, or the CIA. Smells of Harvard to me, but I have no idea.
Russia could escalate by applying information epoch warfare outside of Russia – which Putin is daily falsely accused of doing. (Social Justice Warriors always project)
They’ve been trying to bait the Russians into committing acts of retaliation for a long time now. They might have finally succeeded.
This is so frustrating: whoever recognizes that “normal” is dead will have a massive first mover advantage. I don’t think the GAE has recognized this, it is merely that they maintain a dual interpretation of Allowed in most things: one rule for negros, sodomites, and women, another rule for normal people; allowable conduct for pet minorities, verboten activities for traditional minorities, and so on. So they wouldn’t need some new perspective or paradigm to “punish” the evil.
If Russia fucks this up, appealing to “rules based order,” “democracy,” and “equal rights”…
Russia’s been signalling weakness with their failure to respond in kind to provocations by the GAE. When you show weakness, things always get worse.
Putin denounced the rules based order in favor of the Peace of Westphalia.
Every nation should get to set its own rules, in accordance with its history, its culture, and the biological nature of its people.
Which is how Christendom worked when Christianity was united in one universal orthodox Church. King Alfred appointed his own Bishops and made his own laws in accordance with Saxon culture, race, and history, which were interpreted and applied in accordance with the universal and unchanging spirit of Bibical law, as interpreted and applied by his bishops. He was orthodox, and his Church was Orthodox, but it was a Saxon Orthodox Church. He respected the religious hierarchies of Rome and Byzantium, and they respected each other’s hierarchies and his hierarchy.
I’m not saying you are wrong, nor am I saying I disagree, but sovereignty exists behind a wall of the bodies of those that dissent. They need to stack bodies, and those bodies need to be Nodes (in an IEW sense). I think Red said it (maybe not): everyone respects violence. The MSM hides the violent success of the RF, so they need to branch out. They need to “send a message.”
Russia needs to deal with the Glowies.
The Ukraine flag mobs on Twitter [*are entirely composed of shills like yourself. Astroturf, not grassroots.*]
Wherever the comments are uncensored, the Ukraine flag mobs get ratioed to death.
This can’t be an actual human being.
They’re not. They speak the same message from 10,000 microphones. Looking at the Reddit comment section it’s around 5-10 shills repeating scripts for every actual person.
NPC meme is unfortunately true. Go out more to young people bars. They all say the same identical propaganda lines if you can get them to talk about politics. Maybe I’ve got a biased sample set living in a college town.
Now if the argument is that NPCs are not actual human beings…
It’s the only safe sort of stuff to say about politics now. I used to hang out at a college dive bar with my crew and we talked all sorts of politically incorrect stuff and we got away with it because we did it in a high status manner. I did a meet up recently after a 3 year hiatus and we were very subdued about anything political. My friends who never had any trouble spouting hate facts about niggers and women were suddenly looking over their shoulders. It’s stupidity easy to get canceled now by someone videoing you and everyone is afraid. We did our political talking back out at the car while smoking cigars far away from everyone.
The people at the bar may believe the NPCs talk but my money is on that people are just terrified and they’re repeating official dogma in public.
When you actually start to see the world of comments for what it is (easily 30% shills at ebb), the whole internet becomes less fun and less interesting.
@Red
Looks like the Youtube comment section under the Ken Ham Young Earth Creationist videos. Tons of repetitive YEC comments unresponsively and robotically responding to early 2000s rehashed unresponsive atheist+ comments.
So does this mean Soros and his children are fair game now then? Dugin is like the Russian version of Steve Bannon.
So far the Russians have refused escalation in a tit for tat manner. No way to tell what they’re going to do. But failure to do anything will result in a lot more targeted assassination of prominent Russians by the GAE.
They need to wipe out the glowies responsible at a minimum. To end the threat.
We can see when someone glows in the dark.
Can Putin and Dugin see?
When American business pulled out of Russia, a whole lot of brightly glowing enemy entryists left for Western Europe – I suppose the mechanisms for paying them got broken with closure of the Swift network and the shutdown of American business.
Russians call it the self cancellation. Why was there no significant state sponsored cancellation?
Nonetheless this hit smells like a glowie op. What is your take?
We will probably see in the coming days.
If Dugan is Putin’s priest, which the left believes but I doubt, Putin has a problem
Dugan is trying to construct a new, authentically Russian, counterfaith to progress, but is coming up empty. Which may be why his daughter came up childless.
Putin has a problem regardless of whether Dugin is his priest. That murder was a provocation. If Putin does not react, there will soon be another provocation.
Blaming it on Ukraine is a way to avoid blaming it on the west.
And that is the path Russia has taken. Unwise.
They could not call it an accident like explosions on a military base inside Russia. Russian does not want to blame the West for anything.
Apparently Russia wants to postpone escalation. I do not understand why. Maybe Russia hopes to settle things in the Ukraine soon?
Russia knows that a faction at State Dept wants nuclear war. The RF doesn’t have the population to effectively deal with it. Even if a bunch of Gaia worshipping cunts weren’t making the decisions, the population of the GAE can absorb many millions of casualties. The RF cannot. They are waiting for an internal collapse of the GAE. The SMO was a desperate, last ditch attempt to slow down NATO before it stumbled into a Nuclear/Biological/Chemical de facto war state. Russia is afraid to Grasp The Nettle. Tbqhfam, I would be too.
I agree, but tit for tat retaliation in the case of assassination is not escalation to nuclear war, at least not directly. Maybe it leads to nuclear war, but not retaliating at all also leads not nuclear war.
We see this. Do they see it?
As bad as the Russkie demographic and overall faith situation seems to be in, their economic and organizational advantages over the trannystate that is the West grow daily. He probably expects our politcal process to devolve into dispute resolution via corpse manufacture. Just has to hold out until then.
CHAIna has also stocked up on food, perhaps there is an expected pacific theater as well.
The actions of Putler do not seem to me to be as one that is avoiding the full conflict, but rather delaying it.
I think that is a solid read. Both Chingchong and Blyat would be in a much better position if the GAE core collapsed in on itself. The question becomes what are they doing, if anything, to increase that potential outcome.
My recent thoughts on Ukraine are Russia will achieve her goals, then there will be endless terrorist violence from the rump Ukraine, like in Northern Ireland during “the troubles” or Israel with the Gaza Strip.
I don’t think so. Israel has endless troubles with the Gaza strip because they face a real living faith in Gaza, and they have the gay parade.
England had the troubles because Irish really are Irish, and had real nationalism. Ukrainian nationalism is fake and gay – rather literally gay. Plus the Ukraine is run by a Jew who hates Ukraine and Ukrainians even more than he hates Russians and Russia.
The Azov brigade were genuine left nationalists, but in a war of attrition, nationalism gets attrited. This war is going to end with a intolerable legacy of death and sorrow that is going to put a big damper on nationalism. In so far as Ukrainian nationalism is real, it is the Azov brigade, and the Azov brigade is expunging themselves.
They got power and money because the Global American Empire found Ukrainian nationalism useful. If, as seems increasingly likely, Ukraine becomes a rump state, no longer useful. Being used, having most of your friends killed, and then you get discarded when no longer useful is going to thoroughly squelch the Azov brigade, the real Ukrainian nationalism.
I think there will be “Ukrainian terrorism” but it’s going to be in USA and Europe. Once Zelensky flees after emptying the coffers, the remnants of Ruthenia are going to be pissed.
Some old posts by Pooch have been unearthed.
https://blog.reaction.la/science/epidemic-of-the-vaccinated/#comment-2811324
(Emphasis mine.)
Jim said that NFL faggotry “has affected the profits”, to which Pooch responded:
https://blog.reaction.la/science/epidemic-of-the-vaccinated/#comment-2812296
(Emphasis mine.)
https://blog.reaction.la/science/epidemic-of-the-vaccinated/#comment-2812305
(Emphasis mine.)
https://blog.reaction.la/science/epidemic-of-the-vaccinated/#comment-2812310
(Emphasis mine.)
(Emphasis mine.)
Also, does anyone remember that Pooch’s bizarre remarks about The Holy Saint Cominator drew the ire of Lord-General Wulfgar?
A number of commenters here noticed all kinds of things, but it took well over a year to collectively connect all the dots.
What conclusion is to be drawn from the fact that Pooch has gone silent after his roguepoasting was publicly documented?
I forgot the link for:
https://blog.reaction.la/science/epidemic-of-the-vaccinated/#comment-2811271
So I take the conclusion is Pooch is Jack Dorsey?
Failure to pass a shill test would be a canary warrant, confirming that he has been compromised.
So he has been told to shut up.
I would have liked to hear it from the horse’s mouth, but this is sufficient.
The comments threatening The Cominator make more sense with the benefit of hindsight. It was an attempt to mobilize opinion against Com’s approach to leftists. Pooch’s handlers must have given him orders to attack Com, and using stupid Nazi language because they thought it would work. I can just see the conversation.
“This… Cominator fellow. Worrying. We should do something about him.”
“How?”
“Hitler killed people, and these people are Nazis, so we should tell them to do an.. Uh… Night! Night of the Long Knives!”
“Genius, boss.”
“Right? Nazis are so easy.”
Just more support for my assertion that you do not turn on your fellow elite if you want to achieve anything. The person who was trying to destabilize us was trying to turn us against each other. Not that this needs to be a hugbox, but there is a difference between critique and suggesting assassination. To our credit, no one else joined in. That was Pooch all by himself, and he dropped it after a few comments when no one took the bait.
Even more alarming than the turn for the worse in Pooch’s comments is what he wrote about his personal life.
Last year Pooch said he “found [his] fiancé” at an international tourist hotspot:
https://blog.reaction.la/economics/money-has-functions-four/#comment-2833666
He also said that he wasn’t blackpilled because he had a girl, had land, and was in the process of starting a family:
https://blog.reaction.la/war/art-of-war-in-2022/#comment-2840250
The thought of some slimy glownigger creature pointing a loaded gun at his weeping pregnant wife and threatning to shoot her if he doesn’t do whatever they say…
WE ARE GOING TO KILL ALL OF THESE GODDAMN PEOPLE
Yes, yes we are. We are going to do to the Cathedral what was done to Sodom, Gomorrah, and Jericho.
It’s not my intention that this thread is turned into a massive/sprawling effortpoast but there are more comments from Pooch that are worthy of just a little more review.
During discussions on inflation, and how to hedge against it, Pooch briefly shilled for commodities (“> the Cathedral can be trusted with money!”) here:
https://blog.reaction.la/science/lethality-of-the-jab-anecdotal-data/#comment-2815461
There was considerable push back from Jim and Mayflower Sperg:
https://blog.reaction.la/science/lethality-of-the-jab-anecdotal-data/#comment-2815474
https://blog.reaction.la/science/lethality-of-the-jab-anecdotal-data/#comment-2815508
Also a month after some moderate shilling for commodities, anti-BTC sentiments were expressed by Pooch here:
https://blog.reaction.la/uncategorized/predictions/#comment-2819877
And a month after that more moderate shilling for “Puritan Virtue” here:
https://blog.reaction.la/economics/money-has-functions-four/#comment-2833506
These positions weren’t all that excessive and were therefore excusable, but the meat of the matter is Wulfgar’s observations about “teh Nahzeez!”. There were some truly bizarre Hitler memes that were pushed under his identity.
Early last year Saint Cominator said: “I think any claims that the NSDAP was rightist should be censored”, “The idea that Hitler was right wing needs to fucking die. He appealed to the right as as a lesser evil but he was 90% a Marxist. “, and, “Pooch i don’t want to be a dick but you’ve been torn up on this claim repeatedly and yet keep repeating it like an NPC.”.
Hindsight really is 20/20.
https://blog.reaction.la/war/sudden-swerve-in-the-path-to-the-left-singularity/#comment-2819031
https://blog.reaction.la/war/sudden-swerve-in-the-path-to-the-left-singularity/#comment-2819083
huh? o_O
https://blog.reaction.la/war/sudden-swerve-in-the-path-to-the-left-singularity/#comment-2819098
https://blog.reaction.la/war/sudden-swerve-in-the-path-to-the-left-singularity/#comment-2819107
great research thanks GPT.
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I’d stopped reading his comments because they’d become so boring so I and probably others missed a bunch signs. But the big factor was that everyone liked Pooch and if we hadn’t had a bias towards liking him we probably would have run him through the shill test much earlier.
@Red
I didn’t.
And I should’ve given him the shill test in hindsight. I just thought he was another mediocre member of the Laptop Class shitting up the comments section.
I didn’t like him much either, but I still thought he was one of us. It’s not your responsibility to gatekeep, that’s something all of us need to contribute to.
We need a meta-page, but I don’t know how one would even go about doing that. It would mean more curation, meaning more “permissions,” meaning more attack surface, so not worth it. Asked&Answered: the Post.
For me Pooch is average as far as regular commenters on here and Cominator is one of my favorites. Never liked Wulfgar very much. That is my bias. While impolite, I don’t see a huge problem with that statement about Jack Dorsey. He is clearly on team Good and a high IQ white male to boot. I am not sure I would kill Cominator to protect Dorsey since virtue is also important. Cominator has been more loyal and truthful to me than Dorsey.
Pooch may have had some bad takes but so do Cominator and especially Wulfgar. Jim agrees with Pooch on the not killing everyone thing. Shill tests should be administered.
Pooch’s failure to respond “Say what cannot be said with HR looking over your shoulder” shows someone is scripting him.
You do not see a problem with a shill suggesting that we should kill one of our own? That is a little suspicious. Mind copy pasting the following?
I, , cosign the following neoreactionary creed:
Only high-class European and Asian men have the necessary characteristics to the maintenance of civilization; women, queers, and the more savage ethnicities are only ever hired as an attack against civilization. Women need to be controlled by men, as the female sex drive is maladapted to the civilized male status hierarchy. Their sexual instincts awaken uncomfortably early, are ambiguous if not opposed to notions of consent, and result in population collapse. Pedophilia is just a way to conflate notions of young but sexually mature women having procreative sex with the objections to degenerate homos lusting after and buggering little boys. Jews, particularly Soros, are the bagmen for progressives and are not running things. They are given their money by government manipulation so that they can fund things the Cathedral would rather not have tied directly to itself, especially when the agents are employed by both NGO and USG. Jesus Christ always was and always will be, is wholly Man and wholly God, is the Logos of the universe, was born to Mary and died on the Cross, then ascended to heaven to sit alongside the Father and Holy Ghost, which are Three and are One.
You may, subsequent to posting, offer an explanation of why you disagree with a particular point, but this must be posted in full before you may do so.
I forgot that triangle brackets get read as HTML. That first line should read as follows:
I, (insert username here), cosign the following neoreactionary creed:
“Rational male” and London Guy are a well known shills, most of whom’s numerous comments follow the standard and endlessly repeated scripts and are silently deleted. Sometimes I allow some though, so that I can respond to a shill script.
They are not ‘suspicious” they glows in the dark. You don’t see all the shill spam I delete.
I tolerate some of the shills, such as Anonymous Fake, who seem less robotic and more responsive. “Rational Male” is more your copy paste kind of NPC.
London Guy I knew, but I do not remember Rational Mail. Maybe you have deleted enough that I have just never seen him, at least not recently enough to remember. I had my suspicions since he was new and was defending Pooch, but I wanted to test my NRx Creed. If he posts it, then I will know it needs more work.
Not likely that he will attempt the creed.
No, but knowing the test allows a false negative would mean that I should refine it further.
I intimated it in an earlier post, but i would quibble over the Soros line sounding like it’s making excuses for bad jewish behavior. “It’s not their fault, the devil made them do it.” Maybe so, but then civilized men don’t need children of the devil in their lands either.
The statement ‘they are not running things’ is trivially false in the sense that there are also plenty of things that are in fact just so happened to be run by eurasian tribesmen, and or things whose substance is influenced by the character of that set.
The socio-ecological niche that set has been evolving in over the past millennia is not so much a fruiting tree that stands on itself, but a creeping vine that uses other trees to grow up towards the sun, choking and strangling them as they do so. So a lot like the proliferation of leftist strategies in the cycles of civilization in general, but particularly concentrated in a particular folk.
If any later day jew wants to get right with God, they need to need to remote to their own land and rebuild their temple, and Physically Remove any manicheans amongst them who can’t get with the program; even if that means most of them.
“I intimated it in an earlier post, but i would quibble over the Soros line sounding like it’s making excuses for bad jewish behavior. “It’s not their fault, the devil made them do it.†Maybe so, but then civilized men don’t need children of the devil in their lands either.”
Most jews are leftists and leftists should go, but nothing should happen to any non leftist jew other than with rare exceptions requiring a personal decree by the monarch… they should not have state or quasi state jobs.
Diversity + Proximity = War
Besides more parochial contingencies, hymies need to go back for the same fundamental reasons durkas, coons, pajeets, wetbacks, chinks, and so on and so forth, need to go back, too. Even the best of aliens cannot help but be subversive in an alien land (and they are not the best of aliens, anyways).
No need to go further than Byzantium did IMHO…
Is it possible to have a “cosmopolitan city” that has all manner of alien and strangeness inside in otherwise monoculture and healthy country with a small and powerful monarchy organized under a strong state religion? Cities derive their undue influence in Daemocracy due to the “people power” of corrupt vote antics. If you subtract demotist hijinks (and FIRE corruption), I think cities would not really wield much influence at all. In the fictions we live, places with large populations are somehow better equipped for adversity, having all manner of nascent protagonists from which to render days saved. In reality, the populations of cities are decrepit, slovenly, incompetent, violent, and dirty. Why anyone would want such a place is beyond me, but would it be possible to have one?
Many things are possible.
Advisable, is, of course, another question.
Just so. I’m not looking for wiggle room; deport and chopper seems like a better option. But a polis stripped of political overpressure is a creature wholly unknown as far as I can tell. If you put a single man in charge of NYC, I think there’s a very good chance he’d go ultra-MAGA just to keep the lights on. I am for the country as I think it is healthier across the spectrum. But I also don’t want to have a bunch of urbanites to worry about, so they have to go somewhere. Whatever the case, it’s a coup-complete problem and not really worth worrying about at the moment. A far bigger concern would be…
I would propose something like that as far as living. Mono-ethnic areas (most non urban areas in the country would be for white people but some for others since I do not propose expelling or hurting non leftist ethnics) and cosmopolitan free city areas, essential for some kinds of commerce… the bad thing about “cosmo” areas is they would need government police (which most of the Empire would not have) under a local lord or crown corporation.
White areas would be further subdivided into (no white area would be allowed to exclude Protestants) ones that allowed Jews and Catholics and those that did not.
You could effect a cordon sanitaire around the Kosmos by making it illegal for residents of the polis to leave. If they want to live there, fine, but they have to stay there.
Why wouldn’t there be plenty of cities even in the best possible future with a monarch, a Mars colony, and no leftists? Economies of scale are enough to justify them. They needn’t be shitholes.
I recall cities that were not shitholes. Nice safe pleasant places governed by smart civilized men. Last gasp of the old elite.
Alright, that is a fair criticism. How about this:
Jews, particularly Soros, often enthusiastically do wicked things, but are used as a disguise by their progressive masters; Jewish misbehavior hides progressive misbehavior. They are given their money by government manipulation or intervention so that they can fund things the Cathedral would rather not have tied directly to itself, especially when the agents are employed by both NGO and USG.
Fair enough.
I feel like I missed a key moment for the community. Could someone link me to what happened? The last post I could find was where Pooch made a comment about reproduction and Jim called him nuts for it.
It’s been simmering for a while. I feel like Pooch was never really fully onboard, but his takes have gotten worse. The first kink I remember was when he argued that Hitler was a rightist. more suspicious takes here.
Pooch posted some straight up Marxist memes, shill stuff that has been dead in the water since the fall of the Soviet Union, though shills continue to push it. Called on it, shill test demanded, dead silence since then.
The key events are all in the comment section under Crimestop post. There’s an exchange between many posters wherein Pooch takes a very strange stance. Neurotoxin elevates the discussion and others contribute, remarking on the incongruities and strangenesses. GPT2 then did some digging (that’s the post Brother Alf linked), and that’s about it.
Got it. Thanks for clarifying. I don’t post here too often and no one has ever shill tested me. Therefore:
“I, restitutor_orbis, cosign the following neoreactionary creed:
Only high-class European and Asian men have the necessary characteristics to the maintenance of civilization; women, queers, and the more savage ethnicities are only ever hired as an attack against civilization.
Women need to be controlled by men, as the female sex drive is maladapted to the civilized male status hierarchy. Their sexual instincts awaken uncomfortably early, are ambiguous if not opposed to notions of consent, and result in population collapse. Pedophilia is just a way to conflate notions of young but sexually mature women having procreative sex with the objections to degenerate homos lusting after and buggering little boys.
Jews, particularly Soros, are the bagmen for progressives and are not running things. They are given their money by government manipulation so that they can fund things the Cathedral would rather not have tied directly to itself, especially when the agents are employed by both NGO and USG.
Jesus Christ always was and always will be, is wholly Man and wholly God, is the Logos of the universe, was born to Mary and died on the Cross, then ascended to heaven to sit alongside the Father and Holy Ghost, which are Three and are One.”
Andrew Tate whose Father is in the CIA, and artificially boosted by the Algorithm got exposed as a human trafficking pimp:
https://twitter.com/GathererSkull/status/1561037171200610306
By doing this the narrative shapers are going to try to poison our ideas by association.
It seems our enemies still have a few tricks up their sleeves. What’s the best way to deal with those shenanigans?
Can you quote or link to the “human trafficking pimp” exposition? If Tate is to be believed, as well as his brother and multiple other “crew” accounts, he figured out women are really, really bad at talking to males that they aren’t trying to get into their uteruses. he also apparently exploits the cultural chaos around being a passport holding American that doesn’t hang out in America. Your free to “hear the guy out,” his hot takes are everywhere. Due to the memes he pushed, he was going to get attacked at some point.
News flash mein broder: our ideas are unadulterated poison, by association and direct reference. Some loud mouth, bald expat is not going to move the needle towards “more evil.” We are evil incarnate to them. To make the case that he is some kind of psyop plant for the cathedral, have to demonstrate how his decidedly patriarchal propaganda (kinetic memes) getting substantial uptake is good for the Cathedral.
Personally, I’ll buy a beer for any lad that gets middle school teachers to say to Miss Xer in public education pod A#B-07 that “women are inferior to men,” “women belong in the kitchen,” and “women should only be housewives.” Sounds like an absolutely based afternoon in a public middle school.
We are the ultimate radioactives, so radioactive that they cannot touch us, because they cannot acknowledge we exist. We do not have to worry about our ideas being poisoned by association. They don’t want to associate anything to us because they do not want to point to us.
I earlier remarked that one based post counters a thousand shill posts, because the shills cannot respond to the based post, while the based post is responding to the shills. The shills can muddy the waters, and one based post cannot clear the waters, but muddy water has little impact, and the point of shill posting is not to persuade people of their ideas, but to reduce the impact of based ideas.
What happens on Twitter does not matter. They have poisoned their own well. To the extent that shilling is successful, it does not succeed in getting anyone to accept their ideas, but in getting people to believe that they are a minority of one, so it is hopeless and they should forget about the truth.
He got banned off everything. His content was advancing more and more towards thoughtcrime every day. He does not glow, I don’t know where you are getting the idea that he’s CIA. He is an asshole and rather unlikeable, but telling a lot of truth.
His content was “pushed” because a) it was what people wanted to read, and b) he had a pyramid scheme going, where people bought in to his “courses” and sold more of them to other people for a cut.
Hey guys. I’ve been reading the blog for a while. As the name would imply I don’t consider myself a reactionary, my friendships and overall life situation would preclude me from acting effectively in any sort of based manner (at the moment); however I am still interested in based thinking, and in particular world history, as I feel there is no better way to spread basedness than to spread awareness of the brutality of the power dynamics of human civilization, which is most often revealed in studying the past. Whether it be Chinese bureaucrats committing suicide at alarmingly high numbers, or Indian kings going on tours of conquest of the subcontinent, I want to know how the world has functioned, in order to understand how it functions today. I don’t have an autist’s knack for memorizing specific dates and names, but I like to have an idea of the general sweep of the more prominent and potent civilizations. Do you guys have any book recommendations on that front?
‘The Ancient City’, published 1864, is often recommended for understanding how Greek and Roman society functioned.
“Nemesis” by Chris Bond is an excellent work to understand how power works and how it transforms society.
https://www.amazon.es/Nemesis-Jouvenelian-Liberal-Model-Orders/dp/0648690512
Spenglers Decline of the West, despite the provocative title, is about the lifecycle of civilizations.
Welps, Dugin’s daughter Daria just got blown up in her car near Moscow.
Dugin was supposed to be with her en route to some meeting of traditionalists.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/08/21/daria-dugina-car-explosion-moscow-putin/
RIP
https://sm.news/darya-dugina-umerla-na-glazax-svoego-otca-71474-u3t5/
He was nearby when they blew her up, so I suppose she was picking him up, or dropping him off, which indicates they had very good targeting info, but were using an expendable idiot triggerman, who probably does not know anything.
The triggerman does not matter. What matters is that the enemy has penetration of the social network adequate to know how he was getting to the meeting.
What is needed is vigorous application of a shill test, but Putin and Dugin do not have a shill test.
Every successful state religion had effective tests against entryists, albeit the thirty nine articles were too damned long, and after a while they stopped requiring adherence to them. If you don’t have effective methods for keeping out entryists, you are going to suffer this sort of penetration. Which has been a huge problem for millennia, and is now a considerably bigger problem.
The American state religion does have effective means for keeping out right entryists, point deer make horse 指鹿為馬, which have the undesired side effect of keeping out smarties, but the holiness spiral means no effective means for keeping out left entryists – Stalin was highly successful at penetration.
To fight an information epoch war, you have to have methods for securing your computer network, and securing your social network. Social networks have been under this sort of attack for millennia, and people have been defending against these attacks for millennia. In the information epoch, they become more important than ever. It is not the explosives, it is knowing where and when to apply them. We are still figuring out how to defend computer networks, but defending against glowies is a very old social technology.
I think it literally never occurred to Dugin, or anyone of that sort that:
a) anyone outside the western media believes the bullshit that he is some sort of Putin whisperer and not just a popular mad professor
b) that anyone would think that a strike against him would be “a strike against Putin” (although we are already in the realm of not taking a shower being a strike against Putin)
c) that him exercising his right to free speech would lead not only to travel bans but also to terrorist attacks against him
If we have entered a period in which globohomo starts doing Israeli/IRA type attacks and not even against generals, scientists, and politicians, but against professors of political philosophy, then… *crosses himself*
Well a and b are obvious, and I have every reason to believe in c, and have been prepared for c for some considerable time.
Amateur footage professor Dugin around 45th second
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75TOIp1FGi0
Madness. Poor guy.
The best optics for our side since the Kenosha Kid. Her name shall be written among the martyrs.
Oh, daughter, do you want to be as beautiful as the Holy Martyr Daria? You should not rush to have children, it is better to spend your youth on a philosophical education in France with traditionalists from Morocco and Niger, this is more important. After all, Russianness is not inherited.
State the affirmation or be gone, thot-spawn.
Thirty-year-old “traditionalist” girl who has no children, but travels to France to fuck with black-assed and fighting racism in the Russian Federation
Big loss!
A man lost his child. That’s the loss. If Warsaw got glassed tomorrow, do you think we would celebrate all the dumb, childless sluts no longer wasting oxygen, or mourn the loss of an European city?
Between the lines, you are overjoyed at this. You see Dugin as a threat. Your ideological masters feel the same way. It’s perfectly ok for you to celebrate when your side scores. But you also have to carry the burden of your side being known. While you’re hate for Russia may be organic, it still means you’re indistinguishable from the blue check, Slava Ukraini crowd.
It’s just disgusting to watch the great empaths who rejoiced in the killing of extras yesterday pose as great humanists today because a propaganda slut died because she’s someone’s “thirty-year-old child”. Dugin, like his daughter, were recruiters. They urged Russian boys to go and die in the Donbass, inspiring them with fairy tales about Russia. This can be compared with those propagandists who call on Ukrainian boys to go to die for the Ukrainian nation, talking about Ukraine, which does not exist. The soldiers who died on both sides are, on average, much younger than Daria.
The way a person raised his own child speaks more clearly about his true values ​​​​and ideals. What I know about Dugin and his daughter suggests that he has not ceased to be a funny occultist, and his “Orthodoxy” is just a mask.
You exaggerate the importance of Dugin, due to the fact that you listened to Western propaganda too often. If Putin had listened to Dugin and taken him seriously, Russia would have looked somewhat different. In fact, they only agree that more Ukrainians need to be killed, and that being Russian means speaking Russian and reading Pushkin. People with such views are scary only if they occupy the niche of the ultra-right in your country.
In the event of the bombing of Warsaw, I will mourn those girls who did not have time to become whores and had a value that was destroyed.
Dugin should not be taken seriously, and when I hear Putin speak (in translation) I hear not the slightest indication that he takes Dugin seriously, or pays him any attention.
Dugin being Putin’s brains is like Jordan Peterson being the brains of Desantis or Trump. Or Ben Shapiro being the brains of Orban and le Pen. Completely nonsensical.
The outside world decided to promote this image of Dugin, and Dugin himself went along with it in order to travel the lecture circuit and spread his ideas. This was mostly harmless for everyone involved until February 2022.
In this recent essay
https://www.geopolitika.ru/article/svo-bitva-za-konec-istorii
https://translate.yandex.com/
Dugin analyses the current war and makes a point that the end of history has layers:
1) the Globohomo layer of young Fukuyama
2) the Marx layer from before Fukuyama
3) the original Hegel end of history concept, which is about the human spirit culminating in some sort of spiritual monarchy eternal empire thing.
In this sense the “Eurasian” ideological competition with globohomo is a bit like the old NATO/Warsaw Pact rivalry, but while there it was “capitalism vs democracy”, right now the deep ideological stakes are the road toward which culmination of humanity’s history should one take.
The globohomo end of history envisioned by the great reset?
The old marxist end of history?
Or the hegelian spiritual monarchy end of history?
More broadly on the man and his stuff: within an imperial monarchist project the racial other is always either integrated or exterminated. This is the way land empires work. Overseas colonial empires of the western white type don’t have to work like this — you can simply behave in any manner with the natives, and then hop back on a ship and fuck right off.
The trad land empire on the other hand reaches the other, then integrates him into the larger body. A couple of centuries later he’s a “Russian” or a “Chinese”. Well, if the empire continues expanding and the former conquered periphery becomes part of the new heartland. If it remains as a border periphery forever that can lead to different outcomes.
Hence Dugin’s militant “non-racism” is the trad imperial non-racism of the Italian Roman or Greek Roman who will view the Syrian Roman or Egyptian Roman as also Roman.
Also, while the “white man’s burden” has been replaced by the “rainbow fag’s burden”, in the sense of “we are the borg resistance is futile”, the Duginist view is that the African Negro and the Middle Eastern Arab and so on have their own thing going, and should be left to it. Sure, make commerce, exchange students, but leave it at that.
You respect the far off other, assimilate the conquered other, but do not aggressively import the other from overseas. Somewhere i the middle between the two poles of 1) gotta exterminate them niggers and 2) gotta kiss their feet and destroy my society.
All of the above after the essay link was mostly just an aside. Dugin was certainly not “the brains behind Putin”, nor was he some “Aryans must rule the rest” fash, but a reactionary “multikulti” in the eurasian land empire sense.
On March 3rd this year Putin did his “I am a chechen I am a jew I am a tatar” speech which the external world ignored.
https://www.kp.ru/daily/27371/4553876/
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This is the trad land empire multikulti in action.
I use the past form “was” concerning Dugin because we have yet to see if his prior personality survives the shock.
I got booted from a pro-RF TGram for saying much the same as you about a nazbol slut that got blown up in UKR a few days ago. I refuse to mourn the deaths of commies. That being said, I am biased toward all fathers, regardless of their spawn’s qualities. The picture of Dugin watching his daughter’s corpse burn is heart rending any way you slice it. Equally sad is the thought of a father watching his daughter be consumed by the flames of GAEness. No amount of equivocation and whataboutism will change the fact that you and yours are the side of sodomite parades and dick snipping, so when you cheer someone’s demise, I assume they were my ally in some sense or way.
Dugin and his daughter are pushing a nationalist sort of leftism and a particular sort of enlightenment different from Harvard’s enlightenment project. Thus, allies in that they want to defeat Harvard. If they were to succeed, they would become enemies in that they would set up a Harvard on the Volga.
Thus the left is capable of reading them, and not capable of reading us, and increasingly unable to hear Putin – which breaks their OODA loop.
Really interesting implications for social network defense. Getting stuck inside your own delusions means that you kill the parts of the enemy network most like yourself. Which also means that crime think is a defensive tactic when facing an enemy like the GAE/Cathedral.
That’s a spicy, interesting take.
So you’re saying Dugin was playing matchsticks with the devil and it burned him in the worst way. So dumb, but in a strange way that makes a lot of sense.
Dugin wants Russia to do what worked against Russia for our enemies. I want us to do what gave England science, industrialization, and empire.
Russians need to fight in the Donbas, or else in the end they get the gay parade and faggots running their schools.
Western hegemony will lead to the economic and technological stagnation that is now afflicting the west afflicting the entire world. And then they are going to “fix” the economy by reducing the world population to five hundred million the fast way, rather than the slow way.
If those Russian boys do not fight in the Donbas, the Great Cathedral will be flying the gay flag, and not long thereafter the world wide population reduction will proceed. And since Russians are white, and far from Harvard, their population reduction is going to be particularly severe, probably wind up being to zero.
Ukraine gets what it fucking deserves for forgetting its place in the world. While it is individually a tragedy for the people there to lose family and friends, so it was for German families under the Third Reich. I am not going to shed tears over Nazi Germany, over GAE Ukraine, or over America when it starts to get what it fucking deserves. Ukrainians do deserve to get killed; Dugin was not wrong there. His daughter’s death is an interesting escalation, but no emotional attachment. I can still feel sympathy for a man who watched his daughter die in front of him.
Well put. Hard times ahead, for everyone. A massive distinction between Us and They/Them is the fact that we can leave the hate on the battlefield.
Damn, I feel sorry for Dugin as a person. It’s terrible when parents bury their own children. I’m not celebrating his grief, I just don’t think anyone outside of her family should mourn her.
I still think you are on the wrong side of this situation, but that’s a sentiment I can respect.
The last 4 years has taken a lot from me in terms of the political realm injecting itself into every other realm. People I once would have killed and died for have turned out to be less than reciprocal in their loyalties. I want to revel in their suffering as the mask slips further and they realize what they have been supporting, but that’s petty and foolish. There is no telling who is going to be next to you, in the foxhole, the bunker, or the prison camp.
You, and others, are probably right about this departed lass. She’s probably just another roastie that got roasted. But the image of Dugin in that moment was quite powerful, and this happening is, in my opinion, going to unleash a wave of highly targeted attacks as IEW moves from the theoretical into the practical.
Concerning Dugin saying “ubivat, ubivat, ubivat” as in “kill, kill, kill.”
He used to be pals with now dead Siberian genius punk poet Letov.
https://newperexod.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/rok-legend-03.jpg
(Letov is in the blue jacket, young Dugin is at the back)
Letov has a song about waking up, switching to black and white mode, and “ubivat, ubivat, ubivat”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNCK2xUYOJQ
It’s like someone constantly using quotes from Tarantino films and Ramones songs in a world which doesn’t get what’s going on and reacts with knee jerking to the perceived face value of the words.
Letov’s songs are known and sung across social strata in the Russian-speaking world. For example the classic All Goes by Plan (Vsyo Idyot Po Planu)
Schoolkids
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQg6oAV7tGI
Classical chicks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v6-KJXlL7A
Gopniks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHaLHSksrTg
Moody teenyboppers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab_lIplQ6Bc
Glam sluts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icoGPRpXgBY
Camwhores
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uRZr3qDEUk
Globohomo sluts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXZElj3V9ZY
Random chicks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKMQOVa4lvw
Drunken greasers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzKAD_lslh4
Alcoholics in wifebeaters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_9yiZYZwE8
Frens chilling in nature
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYvv-EY8aBg
Pubescent urchins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZrGDCNeH4w
Conscripts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-DLDQLtyLQ
Lumberjack lesbians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6JMjuGbrV8
Degenerates
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of45DUuIS3Y
Midlife crisis guys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC3HySrzTew
State philharmonics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UHx4G7Dr2Y
On ukulele
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7GyXISrJB4
On accordion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei0i-ocDwrM
For some reason by Massive Attack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2DSv0oI_9k
Croat students of Russian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oIzuRNv3-A
Fedora hipsters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whJokb5DfdA
And a random negro on times square
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8JLF4nJw0k
I forgot the best grassroot cover: two tremendously drunk dudes in a kitchen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY2IaK5cVLU
Many say this is the only correct way to perform Letov’s songs. Or, indeed, any Russian rock songs.
I believe I am going overboard with the posting and will take a few days off now.
Not least of all exposing myself to insane Russian rock always makes me get drunk and switch to manic mode, a dangerous thing. My fragile nervous system just can’t handle their shit.
Here is a NSFW thrash metal live of one classical song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm1O6SknAnE
In a land where metalheads, skinheads, and bikers all blur into one another, this is what you get. Utter madness.
I kind of glimpsed a headline that the band leader has been arrested on hate speech stuff or something a couple of months back, but can’t be bothered to check right now. Won’t be the first time for him anyway.
Cheers.
WTF I love Siberian punk now. Family is currently memorizing Hej Sokoly, this one is next.
I apologize for the big gay i am about to commit, guise.
Varna, i listened to each one and literally drove out and bought Majorska because this song is fucking me up and i plan on belting it out into the impersonal night. Thanks man.
Here’s an English version: https://youtu.be/RaPC1dy4C0E
The pop culture of an Appalachian superpower with everything that entails.
I’m on Finlandia vodka and it feels like the start of a bender but we’ll see how it goes.
😀
Welp, shifted to Ballantine’s after the Finlandia, and regressed to Vosmiklasnitsa (8th grader girl) by Viktor Tsoy, a classic ballad that is a major part of the social connective tissue.
Gonna share some versions, have a final cigarette, and go to bloody sleep.
Two hipsters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVIo02lHBr0
Milf on piano
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnGFnWiRAwY
Presidential Orchestra of the Russian Federation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a-oH-M7BFA
Camwhore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_OINEC_E9U
Father and Son
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWIKMY3ELuM
Sisters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyHh-RN6q4w
Gypsy-style band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30rT-U8CKkU
The original, film remix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzXlEHu7iRk
The original, anime remix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emd_taDFO8o
Cover by Mumi Troll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpvKw4K5ocw
Cover by Zemfira
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCFFHbIM-84
Little girl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE6owiTFeVM
Teeny bopper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAPJkIBc4_k
Teen boy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oruIwDR-YDk
Ex marine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AnVJ50DNbQ
Lesbians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgx6nElw0yY
Jazz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlWBC_oC8Fg
This is not the time or the place, but there is an issue with “RW women” being models of men they admire and not models of women their ideologies idealize. That is what women are like.
Daria Dugin is the wh*re of chabad
How about you engae with me where I called you out, instead of shillposting hatorade. Understand, I am utterly convinced that you have no rebuttal, nothing of substance or value to contribute. But I still encourage you, dare you even, to contend with my assertions.
Let me reverse the questionnaire. Is Chabad closer to the Jesuits or the Muslim Brotherhood?
Here’s a purported post by Dugin from TGram:
“I believe that the status quo regime in Russia can theoretically last no longer than 6 months. The desperate resistance of the Atlanto-Nazi regime in Kyiv demands from Russia significant – cardinal – internal transformations. Structural, ideological, personnel, institutional, strategic.
What is acceptable without SVO, under the conditions of SVO – and especially a long SVO that is not going to end – is not acceptable.
Increasing attacks on Crimea, attempts to arrange a nuclear explosion in Zaporozhye, declarations of a counter-offensive on Kherson, Zelensky’s firm refusal to compromise, the West’s persistence in cutting off all ties with Russia – all these are signs that they decided to stand on the other end to the end . They can be understood: Russia actually (and this is not propaganda) challenged the West as a civilization.
So we have to go all the way.
The Supreme Commander-in-Chief said: we haven’t really started anything yet. Now we have to start. You want – you don’t want – but you have to.
For the first 6 months we were able – and this is a fact – to conduct the NWO without fundamentally changing anything in Russia itself. So far, the changes are cosmetic, and even completely inappropriate and useless elections have been decided to be held according to the schedule. As if nothing is happening. But it’s actually happening.
The maximum comfort mode (adjusted for emergency conditions) and the preservation of the old system – “war through a dream” – will have to be canceled at some point.
It seems to me that with the beginning of autumn, this awareness of the need to transfer the country to a new track will be quite clear.
It will take another six months to realize the “irreversibility of the irreversible†and the inertial continuation of the old.
And there is not far and February 24, 2023.
I can understand that the authorities have been used to ruling the way they rule – more or less effectively – for 22 years. But that period is in the past. SVO has already changed everything. Now the question is not whether the government wants or does not want change. And it is precisely patriotic – conservative-revolutionary, if you like. Such changes are simply inevitable – even if you stand to death against their beginning, it will be possible to delay it for no more than six months. And then they will come anyway.
SVO is now more important than power – in its subjective dimension. With the beginning of the SVO, the regime of history itself changed irreversibly: a new ontological vector appeared that cannot be dissolved by arbitrariness or decree. The mighty forces of history have come into play, the tectonic plates have shifted.
Let the old regime bury its dead. A new Russian time is coming. Relentlessly.”
Others here have asserted that Dugin is not the architect of the Russian Resurgence, that he isn’t a close advisor to Putin, that his significance is largely trumped up by internet tomfoolery. This may very well be the case, but to make that case, one has to address why the Shadow Branch tried to kill him, if he’s not a significant target.
Dugin may not be the spiritual leader of the Putin Regime, but based on this quote, he probably should be.
Putin gave a far better account and justification of the Ukraine conflict and the Conflict with the Global American Empire.
Putin is not the best of priests, but he is way better at it than Dugin.
Dugin is not Putin’s brain. Putin is Dugin’s brain.
Dugin realizes that there is something horribly wrong with the Enlightenment project, but is trying to construct an alternative that is fundamentally based on similar premises.
Nah, it was foolishness and madness from day one.
Alexander Dugin: I’m for the blacks. White civilization – its cultural values, deceitful, inhumane model of the world, built by it – did not justify itself. Everything goes to the beginning of white pogroms on a planetary scale. Russia is saved only by the fact that we are not pure whites. Predatory transnational corporations, the oppression and suppression of everyone else, MTV, blue and pink – these are the fruits of white civilization that must be got rid of. Therefore, I am for the reds, yellows, greens, blacks – just not for the whites. I wholeheartedly support the people of Zimbabwe.
Are you quoting Dugin? give the link.
Does not surprise me. He wants an authentically Russian version of the Enlightenment project, like the Azov Nazis, a slightly different, and more nationalistic, brand of the same old same old leftism, because the universalist version of leftism means rule from Harvard, and he is not included. Same thing, except he wants his own Harvard.
The left exaggerates the importance of Dugin, because they can read him, and cannot read us, or even hear Putin. They think Dugin is Putin’s brain, because when they hear Putin, their brains shut down. As with Trump, think him stupid because they cannot hear what he is saying.
That is why we get flat earth shills: “The right is so stupid that they think men are not women. We can get them to believe in a flat earth.”
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/336905
Context of the phrase: the question of the replacement of whites in Rhodesia by the Mugabe regime.
That page is an absolute roller coaster from start to finish. It’s also from 2002.
Not only that, it’s 20.08.2002. Daria Dugina died 20.08.2022.
The OKC bombing happened exactly two years after the fiery conclusion of the Waco siege. Is someone sending a message?
[*Deleted for blaming Trump for the actions of his enemies*]
The biggest disaster of the Trump era was the death of Republic. You are going to blame Trump for that one also?
Trump isn’t responsible for the people Trump hired?
You’re getting more pathetic by the day. Not even Melania blows Trump the way you do.
Trump did not get to make the important hiring decisions. The civil disservice is self perpetuating.
What’s your goal here? Do you think you will convince us with one-liners and middle school-tier insults? Your opening position was that Trump was dumb and anyone who supports him is dumber still. You’ve been rebuffed, rejected, mocked, and dismissed. If you actually believe what you type, if you were actually a person that found this place and tried to participate, you would be disinclined to continue.
I think you are some kind of cuckservative shill, and you have been tasked with going after people and places that hold the line on Trump. You will continue using DNC-style arguments against Trump until some “organic” conservative rises to oppose him, at which point your script will change and you will become a shill for whomever that is.
“Trump isn’t responsible for the people Trump hired?”
Trump had to hire the least bad people from a limited, and generally horrible, set. Swamp creatures, basically.
I am not at all a long time reader of the place, but Conservative Treehouse seems to be very convinced that Desantis is, or is becoming, a tool of the establishment.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/08/19/for-those-with-eyes-to-see/
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/08/12/the-managing-of-desantis-five-days-in-the-bunker-and-a-new-press-secretary/
When is the proper time to establish our collective position on this guy? It is very murky to me, as he has made some stellar moves (turn-around on coronatarianism, FL state paramilitary, wielding executive power to achieve political outcomes) and he has some very dangerous red flags (voting record as a congressman, in bed with the same people that supported Ted Cruz, messaging around Mar-a-Lago). I apologize for being a broken record, but I think it will come down to his choices around Trump as candidate; if he steers clear and keeps to his own domain he is /ourguy/, and if he tries to usurp the MAGA position in ’24 he isn’t.
One thing powerfully in his favor is that has figured out that to get an honest election, you need guns, not lawyers.
Your criteria and conservative treehouses criteria reflect normality bias.
Every state without voter id votes blue, every state with voter id votes red. It is completely obvious that the dems only win by fraud, and democratic fraud is massive, and no amount of voting harder is likely to make the slightest difference. Unless Trump runs the NSDAP ground game, there is absolutely no way he can win. The undead and increasingly stinking corpse of the Republic has to be interred in its grave.
Under what circumstances would Desantis opposing Trump *not* be an indication that he is in bed with the RNC types?
This might not answer the question, but if Desantis sees Trump as weak, and has it in him to do what is necessary, he should run against him. Better for us too, personally I don’t need to see Trump try it again. So if Desantis is for real, and wants to take power as it seems he does, Trump would not stop him from running and taking power. Waiting another 4 years or doing the Vice President thing first, that’s what an establishment republican would do.
The elections don’t matter, but the campaigns do. The votes are irrelevant, but how the elites act about the voting is highly relevant. If Desantis jumps in bed for a shot at being “The Big Guy,” I don’t see how that’s good for us tactically, as it means yet another pseudo-conservative pulling energy and attention away from solidarity in dissent.
Trump running in 2024 is a good thing because it drives the Cathedral mad. They act foolishly and become excessively malicious towards normies. It is entirely irrelevant if he wins or loses, but it is critical that he, or a direct proxy, relives the spirit of ’16. I honestly don’t care who wins an “actual” election. Far more important is who seizes power and when. Desantis trying to become President is meaningless, unless he is ascending to the presidency on a tidal wave of guns and loyal troops. Consolidating power in FL and building a formula for other governors to do the same would be monumental. Dethroning Trump as Troller in Chief so he can “win” as a good guy conservative reinforces the status quo in their attempts to reestablish normalcy.
You have a point. It would kill Republican organization. The shills obviously do not want another Trump campaign. It interferes with the illusion that president governs and the people get to choose their elected representatives.
In the Roman elections, stolen elections eventually led to elections being decided by thuggery at the polling places, as people contending for elected office became progressively cruder at stealing elections and preventing the other guy from stealing elections, which led to the temporary military dictatorship of Pompey – which in due course led to permanent military dictatorship.
The Republicans, as far as we know, have no intention to use crude methods to prevent the Democrats from stealing elections, though DeSantis looks like he might.
DeSantis is playing by the official rules of normalcy, but he is only adhering to what gamers call Rules as Written (RAW). He thankfully shows zero deference to the unwritten rules that respectable Republicans are ‘supposed’ to follow.
For instance, the Florida law says he can remove pretty much any official that’s part of the executive (like an elected DA, for instance), and that removal can only be contested by the Florida Senate. Previous officeholders rarely used this, but DeSantis plays the card whenever it is advantageous to him. If I recall he also ejected a number of election officials thusly a couple years back in addition to the more recent Soros DAs.
This to me points to an estimate that DeSantis MAY realize that the jig is up and is taking steps to wake up his coalition at the fastest speed he can without disintegrating it.
He has taken measures appropriate to the new reality. Which may lead to interesting times in the Florida election. I have hopes.
First guy to act in the new reality is apt to win.
My hope is that Desantis smells blood in the water, and has it in him to secure honest elections by whatever means necessary. The holiness spiral cannot go much lefter. Normalcy has come and gone. I look at those two men, and I just do not have confidence that Trump would lead us to victory.
He can guarantee a reasonably honest election in Florida, and he did back in the last few. But he can only really do that in Florida, because he’s made liberal use of the governor’s power to purge officials. I don’t think he can do that in the places that matter in a general election at a national level.
Under the circumstances that no matter who is running and how people vote, a poorly done video deep fake gets elected.
If someone has the guns to get an honest election, does he still need an honest election to take or keep the power to rule?
I guess the answer to that question depends on the faith of the men with guns. If they believe in democracy, they might be willing to kill in order to ensure an honest election. If they believe in something else, what is the election needed for? I think in that case, no election is needed.
I’m in Germany and have no idea how many armed men in the USA believe in democracy. Where I live, most men, even those opposing the government, still believe in democracy, but their number is shrinking.
Corona regulations and especially the possibilty of a clot shot mandate caused many (generally law abiding) men to suddenly consider democratically passed laws lacking any moral obligation to comply. Some even consider their democratically elected government to be evil. A man who considers his democratically elected government to be evil and does not want to comply with the democratically passed laws, will welcome a good government, regardless of whether it was the result of an honest election or not.
A very common transition (Hitler, Julius Caesar) is one honest election once.
Spain had an honest election followed by a civil war.
I suppose Germany would have had a civil war if the communists had won the election in 1933. Julius Caesar crossed the Rubikon while he was not consul and was elected after winning a civil war. I doubt he would have accepted defeat in election or bothered with an election if he had reason to fear he might lose.
My impression of the examples above is that sometimes a group does not accept rule to be ruled by an enemy. If power can be gained by election, fine; if not civil war.
Sundance of Conservative treehouse is very talented for midwit, but he’s a merchant and he sees everything from a Merchants perspective. He’s right about DeSantis being part of the RNC machine, but I there’s a real possibility that DeSantis might defect into his own faction. He’s already playing well beyond the normal rules and he’s an actual elite unlike Trump. He’s likely to inspire real hard military power behind, something Trump apparently failed to do, or at least Trump never had the guts to actually use that power as power should be used.
But given that the shills don’t want Trump to run and they’ll blatantly do Banana Republic stuff to stop it, it’s probably in the interest of the Americaner that Trump is the Nom instead of DeSantis.
Trump’s failures and weakness accepted, how is he not an Elite? Not looking to argue, just genuinely curios, as I feel he ticks all the boxes and is just loathed by his peers.
Elites are not Merchants. Elites are always warriors or priests. Jim thought Trump could cross over to be a warrior, but in the end he ran away. Maybe there was a merchant who crossed over to become a priest or warrior at some point, but it’s exceedingly rare.
You can tell he’s not an elite by his failure to and act as elites do. He attempted to buy of GOP congress critters who endlessly reneged on their deals with him. Trump made deals with bad actors instead of rewarding his friends and punishing his enemies. Consider what FDR would have done to a congress critter to lied to his face and reneged on a deal. FDR would have engaged every level of power available to punish him. Now consider what Trump actually did. He whined on twitter.
Real life examples of merchants ruling are always merchants with an extensive sideline in piracy and brigandage, or their immediate descendants, who when their sideline in violence goes away wind up losing power.
So to be an Elite one must be either a Warrior, a Priest, or both? No other type of Elite is possible? For the purposes of this discussion, just assume I am asking to be informed, not using questions to construct a rhetorical framework or a “gotcha” ambush.
I have been operating under the framework that Elites are merely the upper end, or though leaders, of their self-selected community of peers. I took it for granted that there were Elite Merchants and even Elite Hobos. This change in taxonomic stricture is somewhat profound for me.
The world elite is inherently ambiguous, but it is obvious that in engineering, leadership is priestly. Musk is a prophet, Linus and Stallman are priests. Git is software and prophecy.
Unfortunately Git was created for a less hostile world. We urgently need a cryptographically hardened Git. There has been a lot of criticism of the Git hash, but due to various complicated and clever workarounds, the flaws in the hash do not lead to serious flaws in Git. The big cryptographic flaw in Git is its use of PGP for identity, and the fact that even if the PGP identity system was not completely broken, the integration between Git and PGP is horribly broken. You need to be able to merge a branch by the cryptographic identity of the person who committed that branch – merge his most recent commit to his default public branch.
Not so far. There might be new types in the future if human social tech continues to advance. We’re following a Engineer turned priest/warrior here.
The basis for human civilization is the ability to apply organized violence. Those who can persuade men to commit that violence are the elite.
So far the only classes that have had the ability to apply organized violence are warriors and priests. Merchants can hire people to violence for them but that loyalty tends to be thin and Merchants who gain power tend to be quickly overthrown because they have the wrong instincts.
In 2015-16 Trump had a group of young guys showing up to his rallies who were very much ready to do violence at Trump’s command. He refused to command them. An actual elite would have kept such a core of young warriors around and used them when normal means failed say like when the Democrats stole the Presidential election.
Engineers have been going into priesting for a very long time.
When nations adapt to information epoch warfare, there are going to be a whole lot of engineer warriors, but we are not there yet.
True, but I’ve yet to see an engineer command or persuade other men into violence. The very fact that they run away with the unofficial official priesthood attacks them indicates they feel insecure about their ability to inflict violence in order to protect themselves or harm the people attacking them.
The future for engineering is probably elite status assuming the cathedral doesn’t plunge the world into a final dark age.
Then you have not met very many. My engineering class was half nerds and half utter chads. I would be very surprised if none of them had ever been in a fight.
That’s encouraging. I’ve mostly been dealing with weak nerds and women coders most of my career. Though being a nerd didn’t always mean not having been in a fight. I did a ton of fighting as a kid and some as an adult as well. Violence is a good solution when dealing with a shithead.
All power has a flavor; different forms of power being more or less given to different ends.
The matter of elitehood is better said not so much as ‘warriors and priests always rule’, but that the spheres of warriors and priests overlap sovereign forms of power, which is true to lesser extents for merchant spheres as well, and thus naturally beings evolutionarily converge towards exploitation of such sources of power; the more a being comes into alignment with a powersource, the more it can take up its mantle, following the contours of Being as the waters of Happenstance flow throw it; the more transcendent teleologies a being can participate it, the more qualitative sovereignty – which is to say, agency – it possesses.
That is to say, we find men who you could speak of as ‘warriors’ and ‘priests’ so often ruling, because when people who are *not* taking advantage of such forms of power go up against people who *are*, the latter carry the day every time.
I apologize if this request comes off as cloying or in any way embarrasses you, but I earnestly request that you give some thought to putting together a detailed essay (roughly 30-60,000 words pls) that can be bound between covers inlayed with gold script. I strongly feel that this is something that would be immensely valuable to fathers and teachers.
This may seem ironic to you, but i was never a very verbal person. For me, the ‘languages’ of thought and languages i use for expression are not precisely the same thing; while the thought flows freely and easily, i often ponder over contemplation of how to ‘translate’ it into forms expressible over a lexical medium. The ability of some men, like my good friend AAnglin, to just write and write, always struck me as rather fantastical.
Was not easy for me. I got better by doing it a lot.
Indeed. Like many things, to have a habit of writing requires the habituation of writing. You must consciously choose to participate in the habit any time and every time it occurs. When you have a thought, write it down; you never know when you might need it later.
I do recognize that this might sound like being down on myself, or sound rather ‘doth prostest too much’ coming from someone who places such import on the cultivation of their art.
Pondering things has always been a delight for me; it is unfortunate that drawing blood from the stone of the pen cannot always be spoken of the same way.
Alright, here is a refined NRx Creed for social proofing.
I, (insert username here), cosign the following neoreactionary creed:
Only high-class European and Asian men have the necessary characteristics to the maintenance of civilization; women, queers, and the more savage ethnicities are only ever hired as an attack against civilization.
Women need to be controlled by men, as the female sex drive is maladapted to the civilized male status hierarchy. Their sexual instincts awaken uncomfortably early, are ambiguous if not opposed to notions of consent, and result in population collapse. Pedophilia is just a way to conflate notions of young but sexually mature women having procreative sex with the objections to degenerate homos lusting after and buggering little boys.
Jews, particularly Soros, often enthusiastically do wicked things, but are used as a disguise by their progressive masters; Jewish misbehavior hides progressive misbehavior. They are given their money by government manipulation or intervention so that they can fund things the Cathedral would rather not have tied directly to itself, especially when the agents are employed by both NGO and USG.
Jesus Christ always was and always will be; is wholly Man and wholly God; is the Logos of the universe; was born to Mary, died on the Cross, then ascended to heaven to sit alongside the Father and Holy Ghost, which are Three and are One.
Comments are still welcome, and it is an open source post so feel free to edit or alter it, so long as it maintains its essential character.
Basil, mind taking it? London Guy?
I, Guy, cosign the following neoreactionary creed:
Only high-class European and Asian men have the necessary characteristics to the maintenance of civilization; women, queers, and the more savage ethnicities are only ever hired as an attack against civilization.
Women need to be controlled by men, as the female sex drive is maladapted to the civilized male status hierarchy. Their sexual instincts awaken uncomfortably early, are ambiguous if not opposed to notions of consent, and result in population collapse. Pedophilia is just a way to conflate notions of young but sexually mature women having procreative sex with the objections to degenerate homos lusting after and buggering little boys.
Jews, particularly Soros, often enthusiastically do wicked things, but are used as a disguise by their progressive masters; Jewish misbehavior hides progressive misbehavior. They are given their money by government manipulation or intervention so that they can fund things the Cathedral would rather not have tied directly to itself, especially when the agents are employed by both NGO and USG.
Jesus Christ always was and always will be; is wholly Man and wholly God; is the Logos of the universe; was born to Mary, died on the Cross, then ascended to heaven to sit alongside the Father and Holy Ghost, which are Three and are One.
Comments are still welcome, and it is an open source post so feel free to edit or alter it, so long as it maintains its essential character.
Ugh, extra copy/paste at end…. Sorry
I fully admit I’ve always objected to “fully man and fully god” but I admit to being a SEMI Arian in my view of the trinity the rest of it I love.
Some editorializations:
“Many jews, such as George Soros, often enthusiastically do wicked things, and are often used as bagmen by leftist europoids in europoid societies precisely because of this tendency; wicked behavior of aliens should not distract from wicked behavior of backstabbers within one’s own walls, and vice versa; they potentiate each other.
“Alien bagmen are given their money by government manipulation or intervention so that they can fund things the Cathedral would rather not have tied directly to itself, especially when the agents are employed by both NGO and USG.
“Organizations converging to leftism naturally select for beings that will reliably act against the folk of the host society, and thus one finds disproportionate representation of queers, jews, women, and other more alien demographics, in the ranks of leftist bodies.”
Some other considerations; the WQ, RQ, JQ, and CQ are the most ‘radioactive’ topics, in that empirically they have shown themselves as most parsimonious vectors for smoking out demon-worshippers.
In the interest of fulsomeness, i have also seen shills stumble over the DQ (Democracy Question), and other two of the Three C’s (Capital Question, and Caste Question).
Many bluepilled folk can have a hard time wrapping their heads around the idea that ‘popular governance’ is both 1. a lie (‘the people’ never truly rule), and at the same time 2. the lie of ‘popular governance’ being a lie is not the same thing as an openly hierarchical government, let alone aristocratic governance; that it is its own thing, with its own particular character, selecting for particular types of characters with regards to those who use it to rule, to use it as pretexts for acquiring power.
The Capital Question is expansive in detail, but simple in expression; value is something fit for a purpose; the fittest purposes serve the creation of potency; potency illustrates participation in Divine teleologies; greater value does not exist until it is created; labour in of itself is worthless, only the creation of value is valuable; sweating is easy, organization is hard; so on and so forth.
The Caste Question interrelates with the above questions, and tends to ding communists in particular – given that a great deal of the substantial matter of communism is the act of a sect of priest-like pharisees trying to obscure the fact that the priestly caste is something that exists and exercises power in a society; rule by ‘popular consent’ is rule by consensus – which is to say, rule by priests, the manufacturing of consensus. A society is always ruled by warriors or priests or some combination of warrior and priest. The act of the communist in casting his juciest targets (merchants) as having primary power over the direction of a society in general (and especially with regards to its ills, real or imagined) is, of course, entirely self-serving.
All good points, but if someone starts talking about how merchants rule and need to be looted, that democracy is good, or some other ridiculous notion, the they are so obvious that we do not need a test to detect them. Anonymous Fake is not going to post the Jimian Creed, even just to argue with it, and neither is London Guy or Basil. Additionally, there is so much overlap on the left that I highly doubt any of them could pass any one of the sections, let alone all of them.
This is not a statement of NRx principles. It is a collection of the most important and effective truths that the enemy cannot say. This is a shibboleth; a thing that the enemy cannot say that will indelibly mark him as an enemy. If Cathedral entryists could not say, under any circumstances, the words, “Ooga Booga,” then this would have been a two word test.
I remembered this exists.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2579836/
The trailer is woke BS.
Very woke yet the trailer managed to reinforce every single negative bias I have surrounding Black Americans.
Bad propaganda is a blessing
I see it as a fiction supporting the idea that not only is Africanized primal bullshit a good thing, it is a necessary thing.
Great stuff. Could definitely be expanded slightly like PC proposes, but this is close to covering the most important bases.
The only thing I’m missing is a low IQ, simple version of this. Something any man can say to display his allegiance. Like: ‘I, (insert username here), am a Jimian Christian. God is on our side, demon worshippers tremble in fear.’
Or even more barebone: ‘I, (insert username here), am a Jimian Christian.’
‘I, (insert username here), am a old type Christian’ would work too, ‘old type’ at this point is pretty much a dogwhistle for Jimian…
The problem with excessive expansion is that it could become too large and cumbersome. Even now, as stripped down as I can get it, it is very long. I could end up putting more and more into it but Jim has pointed out the problems with creeds that grow too large. This is a test for Cathedral entryists. We can worry about other entryists when they appear.
Makes sense.
To be more precise, the problems arise from trying to use a statement as both a creed and shibboleth at the same time.
A creed is an internal statement of faith in accordance with the discourse of that faith, and hence doesn’t change, while shibboleths naturally shift in accordance with whatever particular enemies one is dealing with.
Tangling these functions up results in mutating creeds and outmoded shibboleths.
Yes, that is why I somewhat impiously strpped the Christian creed down to bare essentials/
Gab is overrun with blatantly fake Christians who say “Jesus, Jesus, I love Jesus” all day long.
Most of whom think that Christ is boiling in excrement and want all Christians dead.
I, Wulfgar Thundercock III, am a old time/Jimian Christian. Jesus Christ is our God and King, and leftists and demons are our enemy.
Love it
I, Kunning Druegger, am a Jimian Christian. Jesus Christ is our God and King, and leftists and demons are our enemy.
I am not a technical Christian, as I do not attend services and my faith is weak and my relationship with Our Lord is decrepit. I nonetheless categorically state that this is MY FAILING, it is MY RESPONSIBILITY to rectify this situation, and the Faith does not need to change to suit MY CHARACTER. While I may comment on faith matters, while I may express opinions on faith matters, I am inconsequential to the unassailable fact that Jesus Christ always was and always will be; is wholly Man and wholly God; is the Logos of the universe; was born to Mary, died on the Cross, then ascended to heaven to sit alongside the Father and Holy Ghost, which are Three and are One.
Further, I am the descendant of dirty, no-good, nigger abetting, abolitionist Puritan scum, and have been known to spiral off into semantic discussions of shit way over my paygrade. As well, I am an armchair analyst often given over to wild theoretical leaps that, in the larger context, are stupid. While I may err, while I may be confused, while I may disagree with good and honest men, my loyalty is to the tribe and I will accept reproof and correction from my betters, my equals, and even strangers on the street if it is demonstrated that I am in the wrong.
Communists are scum. Women are property. Lust is insidious. Sodomites are vile in all form. Democracy is fake and gay. Progress is fake. Technology is declining. Negros, jews, Muslims, mestizos, and their various patrons need to go back, many of them back to dust.
Lovin’ it. No other forum on the right comes within a light-year of this place’s shill rejection capability.
But: There are certain topics where I’m not going to say what I really think, even under a pseudonym. (I work for a very politically correct employer, and I once almost accidentally used my True Name in an Internet debate. I still kinda freak when I think about it.) E.g., there’s no way in hell that I’d say what I actually think about race, not even with this pseudonym.
My point is not to whine “What about meeeeeeeeeeeeee?â€
My point is a positive (I hope) contribution:
Any shill test is going to have to accept a balance between false positives and false negatives.
If some people are misidentified as shills and perma-banned or whatever, that might very well be a necessary cost of defense against shills.
Which is one reason why I say that you can disagree with parts of it… once you post it in its entirety. I would also invite our Hindu reactionaries to come up with a replacement religious test and then take it and make it their own. It is open source. I would like it to get a place on the sidebar so that anyone can just grab it and use it at anytime, but if everyone here takes it and stores it and makes their own particular version that is fine.
It is also very basic. This would have been uncontroversial, except maybe the race part, to conservatives and even many liberals as little at 10-20 years ago. I could have said it out loud and be perhaps thought a bit boorish, but otherwise unremarkable. If you cannot post this online under an anonymous pseudonym, then something is wrong. It is not meant for realspace shill tests. That will take longer than an afternoon to whip up.
Even posting the paragraph that begins “Only high-class…” and then qualifying it or whatever would make me nervous. If I post that and then get outed or accidentally out myself, I’m out of a job, period. Leftists trying to disemploy me would simply quote me saying the heterodox part without any qualifications, explanations, partial walk-backs, etc. And anyway, as they say in politics, “If you’re explaining, you’re losing.”
Again, I’m not suggesting that the test be changed. Au contraire, noting that with any effective test, some false positives are probably unavoidable.
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Here’s another issue, while we’re on the subject: There are two problems with hostile outsiders. One is the shills, the main problem of which is that they clog up the discussion with their bullshit. I.e., they mess up the signal-to-noise ratio.
The other problem is security threats, e.g. people trying to encourage other people to post prosecutable fedposts, trying to get other people to out themselves, etc. I’m more worried about these. Shills like Anon Fake are annoying, but they’re not actually dangerous to any one here.
If you get outed you are fucked anyway. In for a penny, in for a pound and if we do not hang together, we shall hang separately. But this talk is starting to make me a little twitchy, given the goings on with Pooch. Would you be so kind as to repost it here?
“If you get outed you are fucked anyway.”
We’re close to that point, but not quite there yet, IMHO.
“Would you be so kind as to repost it here?”
If you mean the entire shill test, then no. I’ll be perma-banned before I post certain parts of that.
For what it’s worth, I’m not a shill. I’m on Jim’s blogroll, for God’s sake.
But this blog might draw the false positives/false negatives line in a place that excludes me. Since I applaud the vigorous shill testing here, I obviously can’t complain.
For the record: I’m not a fucking shill!
The problem I see is that it sounds too much like, “I’m not wearing a wire.” If you were not wearing a wire, no harm in taking your shirt off. Another way to look at it is a zombie apocalypse. Pooch got bit, hid it from us, and just turned. Well, now we have to check everyone else for bites. Now you are yelling that you were not bitten, but you will not take your shirt off. That is a problem because it means something is wrong, whether or not you are actually infected.
What Neurotoxin needs to do is accurately summarize, without endorsing, the Jimian position on race, sex, and the problems with failure to restrain female sexuality, and failure to deal with the fact that sexuality in girls is poorly correlated with capacity to get pregnant, while in males it is almost perfectly correlated with capacity to get girls pregnant and interest in girls capable of getting pregnant.
I never thought him a shill, but his allergy to crime thought is sometimes irritating. He is on the blog roll and should be, but I would like him to support a cultural environment that makes the glowing of glowies obvious. Regulars should stand out from glowies.
Never thought you were, but there are some thoughts you see very allergic to.
Which is a little bit suspicious. But you were able to argue with me about unthinkable things. Would like to see you do that again.
You can pass the shill test by responding to the other guy’s crimethoughts in ways that imply that someone somewhere actually does think those crimethoughts.
https://youtu.be/GE8p7JKQ6PA
“his allergy to crime thought is sometimes irritating.”
I know. For what it’s worth, I don’t like having to self-censor either.
“sexuality in girls is poorly correlated with capacity to get pregnant, while in males it is almost perfectly correlated with capacity to get girls pregnant”
Huh? If this is more about the age thing, I’m not afraid to state your position; I just don’t agree with it. I just don’t see 9-year-old girls behaving like that. I’m not saying, “Hail fellow reactionary, since everyone agrees with me…”
“the problems with failure to restrain female sexuality”
This is lobbing me a soft pitch. Natural female sexuality is outrageously dysgenic and I will be happy to expand on this point, with detailed specifics, for like an hour. Let me know how much time you’ve got!
I would love to hear your take on it. We need more information about female sexuality on this blog, and if it is good stuff, I might promote the discussion to a post.
Cool, give me an hour to get the wine from dinner through my liver so I can think and then an hour to draft something.
Alright, a couple of effortposts coming up. Fair warning.
Female sexuality is anti-social and dysgenic. It must be restrained for the good, and indeed, the survival, of the human race.
We begin with the truism that evolution selects for reproductive success and not any other trait. There is no restraint on evolution selecting for horribly anti-social sexual tendencies if such are reproductively optimal.
Observed fact: Women are fiercely attracted to men who play defect in the iterated prisoner’s dilemma game that is society. (Defecting in the classic prisoner’s dilemma is always better than cooperate no matter what the other player does.)
Suppose it’s the environment of evolutionary adaptation (EEA) in a time of food scarcity. A man who sneaks into another family’s hut while they’re asleep and kills them all and takes their food will have better chance of survival, and so will his kids, than one who doesn’t.
No, it’s not really that simple, because the rest of the village, if they find out about this, might kill him and his family. But (1) they might not find out, and (2) a displayed willingness to do such things means that he’ll do them if it’s necessary; he doesn’t always have to do them. Also, (3) if he is observed to get away with it, then he has either guile or power to, well, get away with it.
Evolution doesn’t give a shit about nice. What we call “evolution†is simply cause and effect in the biological world. Also, there is a genetic component to personality. Suppose we start with some women who are not attracted to evil traits, or are even repelled by them, and some women who are attracted to them. There will be situations in which the repelled women’s children starve to death because she tied her fate to the wrong kind of man. Such a woman’s genes are not passed on to the next generation. The genes of the woman who mated with the amoral murderer are passed on.
So the next generation has a higher proportion of amoral males and females who are attracted to amoral males.
We stand at the end of a long evolutionary process. Current women are the result of the last million years (or however long) of the evolutionary process playing out. Modern women are the effects of evolutionary cause-and-effect processes.
(Modern men are too, along with palm trees, fruit flies, bullfrogs, etc. But that’s neither here nor there for the moment.)
Humans can no more avoid evolutionary cause and effect than they can avoid physical cause and effect, like F = ma, etc.
The surprising thing is that there have been environments that evolutionarily selected for pro-social traits on a scale beyond one’s biological clan. This is a precious thing. It’s not at all obvious that if these traits are eliminated, they will ever come back.
(By the way, why isn’t this selection effect just as strong for men as women? Two points: A woman can’t feed herself (at least, she can’t hunt) or defend herself when she’s 8 months pregnant. (They have enough trouble getting in and out of a car.) So her survival depends significantly on her mate. This effect isn’t present for men.
Also, since men are the sex that fights, including fighting other tribes, there is more selection pressure for cooperation operating on men. This is actually a well-known fact in evolutionary circles, apparently: At the level of competition between groups, cooperation is evolutionarily rewarded. But at the level of intra-group competition it’s not that simple. It’s not be that defect/betray is always rewarded, but it is sometimes.)
So: Women are fiercely sexually attracted to men who can dominate other men and are psychologically inclined to do so. They’re particularly drawn to men who kill and get away with it, because that is the ultimate example of power. The person the man killed was trying to resist being killed, yet the killer was able to kill him anyway. And a man who is powerful enough to kill someone who is doing everything he can to avoid being killed, has a large amount of power indeed. If you can kill and get away with it, you either have personal qualities that enable you to do that or are part of a social group with lots of power, that uses its power to support you.
In either case, it’s a good idea for a woman to hitch her reproductive wagon to your star, because you will try, and probably succeed, to protect and support the children you have with her.
So: Woman do not get wet for nice guys, never have, never will.
Empirically: Criminals, especially violent ones, reproduce at a higher rate than Jeff in Accounts Receivable.
Since there is a genetic component to personality, female sexual choice is not only dyscivilizational but dysgenic. It causes the next generation to be shifted in the direction of violent, amoral thugs. Such people are also observed to be low-intelligence. Cops apparently have a saying: “Criminals are dumb.†Female sexual choice breeds low IQ, high time preference/low patience, and anti-social (as in , murderously so) people.
Female sexual choice involves them typically mating with exactly the men that they should not be mating with, for the good of the human race.
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Finally, a coda: for reasons I don’t understand, female liberation also leads to lower overall fertility. I don’t have an explanation of this observed fact in terms of evolutionary theory. But it is an observed fact, perhaps the most well-documented fact in modern empirical demographics.
I understand it perfectly, and have repeatedly explained it. I will explain it once again, and shortly promote this conversation to a post, because if you are not familiar with it, needs saying again.
Reproduction fails, obviously, when you get defect/defect equilibrium between women and men. The game of players and bitches
Reproduction is prisoner’s dilemma with few iterations, so you always get defect/defect without external enforcement.
Social enforcement only happens if society recognizes secure property rights in what is valuable, and the most valuable capital of all is eggs and wombs. Husbands have to have a secure, socially and legally enforced, property right in their women.
For this to work psychologically, women need to be virgins at marriage, which only happens if fathers have a secure, and legally enforced, property right in their daughters. Rape is dating a woman without the consent of her father. Female consent is opaque, and most opaque to the woman herself.
Women frequently resist prolonged and enforced virginity very forcefully. Late marriage leads to a whole lot of conflict, which requires extraordinary enforcement, utterly unthinkable and unimaginable by modern standards. I find the level of enforcement that was required disturbing and distasteful, and therefore favor early betrothal, eight to ten or so, and early marriage, twelve to sixteen or so, even though successful societies have tended to have very late marriage – eighteen to twenty four or so.
The middle eastern tradition on this is Sharia. Its western equivalent is coverture.
Even when we had stern patriarchy and very stern coverture in place there were no end of stories about the servant girl getting in trouble for helping her lover rob her master, or robbing her master to fund her lover, and the bride running off with the wedding singer.
The effective fix is that such are fallen women, very low status, and against such women extreme measures of control are natural, socially acceptable, and normal. No one cares what happens to a fallen woman. A woman’s status must depend on a man’s property right in her. Her status is that property right. Wrongful acts against women are punished as wrongful acts against the man who has a property right in her sexual, reproductive, and domestic services.
Coverture:
Male chastity consists of respect for other men’s property rights in women. Not applicable to unowned fallen women.
Female chastity consists of respect for her man’s property right in her sexual and reproductive services.
Old Testament law got it right:
Female immorality: Death.
Fornication or abduction of a married or betrothed woman: Death
Abduction of an unmarried unbetrothed virgin: Shotgun indissoluble marriage, or death if you bug out on the marriage part. (If she is with you without supervision, it is polite to the virgin and her father to assume that you abducted her, and inquiring whether she made it strangely easy to abduct her is impolite.)
Fornication or abduction of unmarried, unbetrothed, non virgin.
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sounds of crickets chirping.
If you abduct an unmarried, unbetrothed virgin, and pop her, and the the father absolutely prohibits the marriage, the penalty is …
Wait for it …
Wait for it …
You pay a substantial fine, but the father is socially shamed, and priesthood assigns him a humiliating monicker.
You’re assuming individual selection instead of group selection. A man who acts like that and gets away with it will result in a low cohesion group that will be easily wiped out by a high cohesion group. A man who murders his kin will be selected against. Remember all the men in a hunter gather band are kin.
The lone wolf dies while the pack survives.
Group selection only works when fathers assign their daughters sexual and reproductive services, and having made the assignment, the father’s rights vanish and the husband’s rights are secure.
“You’re assuming individual selection instead of group selection. A man who acts like that and gets away with it will result in a low cohesion group that will be easily wiped out by a high cohesion group.â€
Sure. Thus my statement “At the level of competition between groups, cooperation is evolutionarily rewarded.â€
Natural selection is about survival of the good enough.
The simple reason females of the species are ‘sub-optimized’ is because they can afford to be. Eggs are valuable, and sperm is cheap. Males can’t help but love them, and jump at the chance if there is one. It takes a singularly awful woman to actually fail to reproduce. The overwhelming advantage of being an egg carrier forgives many sins in the process of reproductive success.
“The overwhelming advantage of being an egg carrier forgives many sins in the process of reproductive success.”
Yes. Having a uterus is an incredibly powerful reproductive strategy.
“Reproduction fails, obviously, when you get defect/defect equilibrium between women and men. The game of players and bitches.”
Yes, of course, obvious and oft-repeated here. Prescription: percussive cranial re-boot.
Pooch was not a shill, until he was. What part of it is so objectionable that you cannot post even under an assumed name? And why is it so objectionable?
If I say what I actually think about certain topics I’m making it extremely easy for SJWs to disemploy me. Maybe they’ll do it anyway, as you say, but if so I can at least force them to work for it.
Well, what do I think about certain topics? I recently summarized the Australian aboriginals, and a long time ago we argued about very young girls getting “raped”. You disagreed, but what was my position and my reasoning in that argument? Why did I not regard the events you reported as rape?
Why do I not believe in the existence of an Australian aboriginal “oral tradition”?
“Well, what do I think about certain topics?”
See below on the topic of race. I think that’s a pass but if not, will iterate until it is.
Will review the Australian aboriginals stuff.
Ah, the Rotherham debate. Here’s my recollection. My goal is to state your position and my position, without, GOD HELP US, reigniting it.
I thought the main problem was violent Muslim immigrants raping young English girls. You thought, and think, that the majority of the problem was young females’ sexuality developing earlier than is generally acknowledged, and that their sexuality is not much different from that of say, a 20-year-old female. Since (at least many) 20-year-old females are sexually drawn to violent men who seem likely to rape them (this part I’m on board with, obvs) we have the following: The main problem is female sexuality. Muslims rapists in the Rotherham episode were more of a problem in the nature of an “opportunistic infection”: If the other problem were dealt with, the rapey Muslims would be much less of a problem.
“Why do I not believe in the existence of an Australian aboriginal “oral traditionâ€?”
I don’t know. I remember the phrase “oral tradition” coming up recently, but don’t recall where. Point to link?
https://blog.reaction.la/science/origins-of-the-white-race/#comment-2848626
Never mind; found it in this thread:
jim says:
2022-08-19 at 05:16
“The Australian aboriginals do not have an oral tradition – they have no idea what happened before the current generation. Their oral tradition is totally made up by missionaries and white scammers… There are no end of historical events involving groups of Australian aboriginals recorded by white people, and the descendants of those groups lack any recollection of them.
They live in an eternal present without cause, effect, or a past.â€
Paraphrasing, your position is that Australian aboriginals lack even an oral tradition recording events that happened historically recently and are well-documented by other races.
lol
In that case that would make Aboriginals a good example of racial deterioration since their descendant from the Patriarch Noah.
If you’re not fucked today, than assuredly you will be fucked tomorrow. Anything you did in the past will be used against you in a struggle session that you won’t survive.
The ultimate shill test is repeating yourself for way longer than anyone just hobbypoasting on here would bother with, and consistently failing to engage with the point of what other people are saying.
Copy-paste shill tests are brought in to save the trouble of having to watch a suspected shill repeat himself for 2,342,122,312 more posts and drown out more interesting discussion.
Demons are so deeply and anciently embedded in Hinduism that they are going to have troubles.
They are also going to have to dig a whole lot deeper than Christians need to dig in order to find a Hinduism consistent with science, technology, and Industry.
Something is better than nothing and at the very least it narrows their shill problem to demonic Hindu entryists instead of the entire Cathedral apparatus.
Yes, the Cathedral apparatus is a much bigger problem in Hinduism than the ancient demons that the Aryans failed to eradicate with fire and sword.
But if they don’t get the demons out, India will never amount to anything and they will have difficulty restoring higher race fertility in India.
One problem at a time. Before they can get to exorcizing their demons for the long haul, they have to survive the demons from the Cathedral trying to kill them right now.
@jim
The use of “Pharmekia” which is an interesting Greek term in the New Testament for “Sorcery” by the Aryans called “Soma” certainly contributed to the Spiritual vulnerability:
“Compared to Hinduism, the old Vedic religion was more elevated, being chiefly concerned with the correct performance of the rituals as prescribed by the Vedas. These rituals were often performed before an aristocratic Aryan elite. These included the ritual consumption of Soma, an inebriating beverage often identified with the ephedra plant, fire worship and the horse sacrifice. ”
https://www.eurocanadians.ca/2019/02/the-decline-and-fall-of-aryan.html
Similar to how DMT allows demonization of certain people who are subsequently driven mad by the experience. Likewise practices like Yoga which are invented to worship the Gods and Kundalini.
All feature participants being demonized. And possessed by the unclean spirits. Subsequent ill health, maladaptive behavior and madness.
Meanwhile the experience with Orthodox Liturgy is protective against Demons:
https://www.rooshvforum.com/threads/under-demonic-attack.41040/page-2<
Most of what can be termed as Hindu reaction exists in literature in the vernacular, i.e. local Indian languages. Hindu reactionaries who are fluent in English are very few, blogs with reactionary content in English are even fewer and so they do not have a shill problem. They have a “no one knows who the &*^% they are and what the ^&** they are saying” problem. They are essentially non-entities in the larger picture.
Suones might disagree with me here pointing out to an Indian female politician who regurgitated our memes on national TV and got suspended for her troubles. Dharmic reality had a shill which surprised all of us (why would a shill bother with his blog?). So I might be wrong. But Jim’s blog has orders of magnitude more penetration in the west than English speaking Hindu reactionaries have in India.
What you have here with Jim is something we can only aspire to at the moment. I hope it is more than just a dream.
I have been silent for a while but lurking infrequently. I find the shilling disturbing and I am not happy with wordpress.com. Hence silent.
I am very surprised at suspicion on neurotoxin of being a shill. He is a long time regular who has engaged in thoughtcrime sufficiently to pass shill tests. And he has a blog linked from here in the sidebar.
On pooch, I don’t think pooch was all that reactionary to begin with. A lot of his posts earlier were normality bias even when it was clear that elections don’t matter. Even after 2020, Pooch regularly used to post on local American politics as though elections still mattered.
I do not suspect him of being a shill in the slightest.
In my walkabouts across the noosphere, i have noticed that, while this place is never explicitly namedropped unprompted, reproducing a jimmian sounding meme almost always gets recognized and commented upon as ‘something jimmian’; meaning while noone cops to it, it is also very widely read.
NT is a good dude, and if there are any concerns, they are not over whether he is a good dude, but whether there are bad dudes twisting his arms behind the scenes.
Which, given recent events, is a reasonable concern.
Thanks for the love, homes, and back atcha.
As for the rest of it, hopefully I can serve as a useful test case. It occurs to me that the compare-and-contrast between me and Pooch might be useful for illustrative purposes.
Given what he has posted, I doubt that anyone is twisting his arms. I just dislike the attempt to hedge his bets. There will come a point where everyone has to take a side, but for damn near everyone it has already come and gone. Our time in polite society is coming closer and closer to its end. Trying to keep one foot in both camps this late in the game is foolish.
Hm. Wulfgar, think whatever you want about me. But at least have it be based in reason. I don’t like the language of these two phrases:
“I just dislike the attempt to hedge his bets.â€
“Trying to keep one foot in both camps…â€
These are fucking libels. I’m not “Trying to keep one foot in both camps.†It’s as if I were to slag you off for wearing a bullet-proof vest when the enemy is shooting at you.
If I were being attacked by an SJW I wouldn’t bother with facts; I’d just insult you. Since you’re not an SJW, here’s a relevant fact: I said,
“Female sexuality is anti-social and dysgenic. It must be restrained for the good, and indeed, the survival, of the human race.â€
This is not consistent with “trying to keep one foot in both camps.â€
Exactly so.
Neurotoxin is not trying to keep a foot in both camps.
He is somewhat inhibited when he speaks on certain matters by rational fear of the consequences.
The other camp is promoting a fake consensus. He is not.
Neurotoxin has taken a side. He reports the true nature of women – somewhat delicately, but true enough.
More importantly, he gives no ground to the false consensus on women. The false consensus is that women are wonderful, and they are the stronger vessel. The true consensus is that women are wonderful – at being women, but that they are the weaker vessel and that this is a huge problem, meaning that men are required to pass hard fitness tests, which are never going to be easy even if it becomes completely legal for a husband to kill his wife, and that women have to be controlled.
Then it was a poor choice of terms, but not posting the truth under a anonymous pseudonym because you are afraid of the consequences if it should be discovered is ridiculous. If the pseudonym is compromised, then burn it and start over. If it is clean, then what do you have to worry about? You seem to be trying to maintain a clean enough profile that if realspace got ahold of your identity, you would be able to weather it. That is an absurdity.
Your willingness to shy back from certain statements and compromise on your beliefs here, in private and among friends, worries me. It does not fill me with confidence that you could be relied upon. At some point you have to be willing to burn your ships and your bridges; our lives, fortunes, and sacred honor.
I am trying to articulate a gut-level response and I think I am failing. Men bond best by doing things that are risky, irrational, and irresponsible together. A purely rational assessment means that when the going gets tough, the rational get out. I want the people who are ride or die, who will not look for a way out when it goes down. I no longer trust Neurotoxin because my gut tells me not to, and I have never disregarded it to my benefit.
We are required to be both brave and prudent.
Neurotoxin’s situation may require a different assessment of prudence. He seems plenty brave to me.
He just posted a pile of thought crimes that is about to be promoted to a post. Brave enough for me.
“You seem to be trying to maintain a clean enough profile that if realspace got ahold of your identity, you would be able to weather it. That is an absurdity.â€
God damn it, Wulfgar.
Why don’t you post under your real name? Since you’re all about burning bridges to prove your reactionary street cred.
(No, I’m not suggesting that you actually do this.)
And regarding the “would be able to weather it” thing:
Just saying that female sexuality, and females period, need to be controlled would get me in quite enough hot water, thank you very much. It might not totally vaporize my career. But then again, it might.
The policeman inside is an animal that lives and dies depending on how much it is fed; and with each concession to feed it, the more powerful he grows.
Yes, but Neurotoxin has been giving it short rations.
You are not posting under your real name, so the comparison is stupid. The fact that you realize what you have said is still enough to destroy you, yet you still hold back makes me question what is going on. Your stated reason does not make sense, and you even admit as much. Then I have to wonder why you gave that as a reason in the first place. Something does not add up, and I cannot quite figure out what it is intellectually, but I can feel it.
These are valid arguments, but you know neither Neurotoxin’s particular circumstances, nor his, possibly incorrect, perception of those circumstances.
Shill tests and purity tests are two different things. While I absolutely agree that “no man can serve two masters,” I also know that it is foolish to willingly remove oneself from the Discourse just to prove loyalty. A good spy is a traitor in the eyes of his fellows, and will be gunned down by his own team if he’s in the wrong place at the wrong time. Their loyalty is not measured by their displays of allegiance, rather their tacit acceptance that they will likely pay in blood for their identity sacrifice.
The time is approaching where there will be no utility in attempting to guide others away from the side of evil, but we aren’t there yet.
I am not claiming to know either. In fact, it is my lack of knowledge that is precisely my issue. There must be some reason, whether real or perceived, why he gave me an excuse that is inconsistent with the rest of his comments, and that he himself has admitted is inconsistent. That inconsistency is bothering me and when I ignore things that bother me, it ends up fucking me. He might be a false positive. Might be. But until I get a better understanding, I am going to keep an eye on him.
Lots of people need an eye on them, but do not give them grief unnecessarily. Neurotoxin has submitted a pile of thought crimes in knowledge of the likelihood that he is about to be promoted to a post even more radioactive than the discussion on which it will be based.
Obviously keep an eye on him, Wulfgar. And while your at it, keep one on me too. But there’s no need to stir up dissention over a gut read. Consider this: if you think there’s prey down range, you can charge the brush line screaming and shooting wildly in an effort to smoke it out. Or you can wait quietly and let the prey break cover when it feels safe. Both are viable options.
“Your stated reason does not make sense, and you even admit as much.â€
Gah, I fear we’re boring everyone so I hate to continue this, but: When did I “admit” that?
Wulgar, the correct way to give a non griefing answer is “I interpreted “…” as “…”
Not “You said such and such”, where such and such involves some degree of mindreading and interpretation.
You said, in the comment at 2022-08-24 at 01:17 that, “Just saying that female sexuality, and females period, need to be controlled would get me in quite enough hot water, thank you very much. It might not totally vaporize my career. But then again, it might.”
Your reason for not posting the test, from the comment at 2022-08-22 at 17:35, was, ” If I post that and then get outed or accidentally out myself, I’m out of a job, period.”
You said you will not take my test because you are nervous about the effect on your job if you post it and then get outed. You then defend yourself by saying that your comments on women will have a deleterious effect on your job if you are outed. The admission may have been inadvertent, but it was an admission all the same. Anyone who tries to tell me that those two statements are consistent I will interpret as out of their minds.
In short, if someone says that they will not do ABC because of the possibility of N, then does XYZ in full knowledge that it has a possibility of N, then they are not really worried about N, or there is something else going on.
The first of my quotes that you mention is only about women. The second you mention is about a quote that includes race. (“Only high-class European and Asian men have…â€) Race is THE radioactive topic in identity politics.
As I said: If I say what I think about race and get outed I’m out of a career, full stop. If I say what I think about women it’s risky, but it’s not “definitely out of a career, full stop.â€
Whet you should be able to do is accurately paraphrase what that other dreadful fellow says about race. A shill cannot do that.
What do you understand me as saying about race?
“What do you understand me as saying about race?â€
I’m assuming this is addressed to me. With this I have no problem. Here is my answer, and if this isn’t satisfactory I’m willing to iterate until it is:
The Jimian position is:
Evolution does not stop at the neck. There is considerable evidence that human populations, specifically races, differ in various attributes, not just ones that no one really cares about like proportion of fast-twitch muscle and prevalence of high blood pressure, but also:
time preference – blacks on average having higher time preference/lower patience than whites.
intelligence – blacks on average having lower intelligence than whites.
self-control, ability to foresee future consequences of present actions, and in particular, violence, viz the FBI’s table on murders by race of the murderer, in which (IIRC) a black person is ~10 times as likely to kill as is a white person.
(The FBI recently announced it plans to change how this table’s stats are collected and presented, BTW).
The evidence for this is voluminous and entirely or almost entirely points in the same direction. For example, on the “legacy of slavery†argument about difference in racial behavior: Even in England, which does not have the US’s history of race-based slavery, a black man is twice as likely to commit a murder as is a white man.
Re: The argument that IQ tests and other metrics for intelligence are culturally biased: This argument is directly contradicted by the fact that Asians do better on these tests than the European whites who designed them.
As noted in heretic Steven Pinker’s The Blank Slate, even days-old infants, which cannot have been influenced by “society,†have notable differences in behavior, Asian infants being more passive when restrained, white infants being less so, and black infants being even less so.
Let me know if this is good, or if it isn’t, how to make it good.
Or should I just quote the Wulfgar thing, noting that it’s the Jimian position?
That is fine. And the conclusions I draw about whites being forced to live with blacks? Detroit?
And “rape”?
These will be long, so one at a time:
On rape I think that you and I have the same position for a human female who’s say, 20 years old.
We differ about the age at which the relevant behavior typically starts.
Anyway, here’s my position, which I’m pretty sure is like 98% coincident with your position:
Evolution does not select for happiness. Nor does it select for self-knowledge. It selects for reproductive success.
Given this, there’s every reason for women to be sexually drawn to men who are physically capable of dominating other people, particularly other men, and who are psychologically able to do so with few qualms. This is because nature is red in tooth and claw, and in high-stakes interactions when food is scarce (in the evolutionary past), survival of a woman and her offspring may come down to having a mate who is able to kill other men in a fight for food.
So, women are drawn to men who seem likely to rape them because (1) this is presumably associated with adeptness at violence in general, and (2) any male offspring from such a mating will also inherit some of those physical and psychological traits.
Fact: Killers in prison get a lot of come-ons from women, particularly attractive reproductive-age women. Often this occurs in pen-pal form, but see my blog post here for an “in-person†example (though I wouldn’t call her attractive): https://neurotoxinweb.wordpress.com/2017/09/19/nitro-hamster/
Furthermore, something like 40% of women in surveys admit that they have fantasies about being raped. And those are just the ones who admit it! Also cf. the oft-noted popularity among women of the Shades of Grey series. Note there is no symmetric series of equal popularity in which the woman is dominant.
Finally, it is important to emphasize that evolution does not have any tendency to select for self-knowledge. Thus, women who vote for rapey foreigners to be admitted to western countries are not necessarily thinking “I’m hoping to be raped†on a conscious level. Human psychology doesn’t always work like that. A Jimian quote (from memory) with which I agree: “Women want what they don’t want, and don’t want what they want. Female sexual behavior is not well-modeled as utility maximization.â€
It’s also important to note that some women DO in fact find violent men exciting without feeling any need to deny it. I recall an article in which a woman’s thuggish boyfriend broke her wrist and she made no bones about the fact that she was going to stay with him, and didn’t deny that it was because she found him exciting. “Normal guys are boring.â€
It is not that this behavior reliably sets in at six or eight, but that it sets in at a rather random age, sometimes way after full puberty, sometimes way before the slightest indications of puberty, and it very commonly sets in at six or eight, sometimes even earlier though this is less common, but it is common enough.
This behavioral change often seems to correlate with a physical change in their body odor. They start to smell like adult females, even though no other physical changes ensue.
This is kind of a revelation. I didn’t realize your position had such a role for randomness/dispersion. More nuanced than I’d realized.
Yeah, it is along a weird spectrum, where sexuality and physical maturity are two separate, largely unconnected scales. You get the sexually precocious 9 year old girl with no breasts hitting on men that are not interested and vaguely uneasy about the whole situation. You also get the physically mature 19 year old woman who has no interest in men despite a body giving all of the sexual signals and she is the one ill at ease. Those are extremes, but not terribly uncommon extremes.
If you look at the reception of the film Leon: the Professional in many online communities (Imgur and Reddit spring to mind), you will find a hidden window on the fascination with “sexless” girls being lauded as sex icons. People eat that shit up because it gives them an opportunity to idolize women without the pesky actualities of women getting in the way. Perverted as that movie and others are, they cannot hold a candle to the disgustingness associated with the producers and EPs that make such movies. A single example, Moonrise Kingdom, *might* take one down a particular rabbit hole that is better left alone. The sodomites in film production love to put children in adult situations because it is often quite popular with the normies (think Little Rascals) and is often a financial windfall, but behind the scenes, they get access to tranches of children gussied up and displayed for their pleasure. For every child you see on the screen, realize there are at least 3, and often times many more, that auditioned for the part. While it is quite popular to lament the disgustingness of child pageants, it is barely noticed when kike parents, leftist whites, and myriad mulattos force their children into the “commercial circuit,” driving and flying all over so their spoiled brats can traipse about in front of leering and slavering producers for a shot at fame and royalty checks. If you spend 5 minutes with these kids, stories about pizza and hotdogs and ping pong become magnitudes more believable. The children are heartbreakingly vapid, having learned to ape the habits and actions of adults, unwittingly trading away precious years of youth. the parents are fucking scum, full stop. Any parent that puts their children into the film industry is a bad parent, and any parents that do it more than once have no excuse; they know exactly what’s going on and just demand more money. Lord have mercy, Christ have mercy.
This thinly veiled mechanized sodomy that predates on children started in the 1970s. Prior to this, it was very isolated and if sniffed out, snuffed out quietly. After the cultural revolution, the sodomites that prey on the young were given free reign to prowl in the name of “show business.” Incidents like Roman Polanski (despicable in some regard ((imagine touching a jew, lol)), but not at all sodomite predation) are used as a cover for the real evil meted out on young children by bribing the parents for access. Almost every child actor turns into a broken shell of an adult, oftentimes being an hero’d or murdered or overdosing as they try to live with what’s been done to them, knowing their parents were complicit. St. Anglin noted the family of Anne Heche, whose closeted sodomite father molested her and her siblings while living the bathhouse lifestyle. This is not exceptional.
Off topic and disgusting, for which I apologize.
Dear Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.
Totally on topic, and Christians are far too shy about calling out evil and heresy.
So what should happen to Hollywood?
I followed Macaulay Culkin story and all the horrific stuff that happened to him as a young boy in (((showbiz))) , anglin talked about it.
It made me so disgusted with hollywood , may a ban on hollywood would be the correct path but this seem like holiness spiral.
Cinema is high art form, and is possibly the most powerful tool for either convergence or restoration (consider where sodomites would be without movies making them normalized). I have been trying for a long time to crack this nut, but unfortunately, I have yet to find conservatives of means that are willing to bankroll projects. Worse still, most people on “the right” who do go into films are uncreative midwits incapable of doing anything besides aping hollywood or just chasing conservi-bucks. I have been using the term “grift wing” and everyone that reads this should do the same. If cinema is treated as purely a revenue generating activity, it will be used for evil by the devoutly demonic and, eventually, converged by consensus. This is what happened to hollywood.
As for what should be done…
Root and Branch.
Moving pictures is the greatest propaganda medium.
As regards Hollywood and its associated porn industry: NVKE.
On the Detroit thing, here’s my take. You think:
Because blacks are so much more violent than whites (see FBI crime data), blacks and whites living in close proximity is a situation that is not conducive to thriving for whites. In fact, it’s not conducive to reproduction or even survival for whites. In this situation whites tend to leave, that is, to be driven out of their homes, at least if they don’t get support from the state in using defensive and punitive violence to counteract black-on-white violence.
Thus: “good schools.â€
Don’t get support from the state? That’s rather short changing it.
Indeed it’s more like it jumps ugly on any nascent expression of white self-defense. The purpose of law enforcement is to protect criminal elements from the vigilante action that would suppress them in their absence.
In my encounters with criminal elements, they have displayed astonishing and unreasonable confidence that I will not use potentially lethal violence, and that they can use potentially lethal violence with complete impunity.
The complete impunity part would be accurate, if the only threat to them was police.
“Gentle Giant†Michael Brown, who randomly threatened and assaulted people every few minutes every day, was absolutely and genuinely astonished to find that trying to take away a police officers gun by grabbing the business end while the cops finger was on the trigger was a seriously bad idea. The problem was not that he was killed, but that he was able to survive to eighteen while behaving in the way that he routinely behaved. He should have died when he threatened the tobacco store clerk in an unrelated incident that happened a few minutes before he got into a completely pointless and unnecessary dispute with the cops over jaywalking. He seems to have assumed that because he had not committed any crime that the police were aware of at that moment, there was no way the cop would pull the trigger.
Similarly with the numerous attempts to kill hero and astonishingly accurate marksman Kyle Rittenhouse. Lots of people (most of them Jewish or gay), seeing he had a lethal weapon in his hand, proceeded to threaten or attack him with potentially lethal weapons.
State preachers on broadcast send the increasingly loud message that melanin enhanced gentlemen are to be afforded the privilege of deference by nominal enforcers of the state; that the state’s merely written laws do not apply to them like they apply to it’s lesser legacy subjects.
Which all but guarantees a conflict any and every time one comes into contact with the other.
There are a whole lot of people, far from all of them black, but a very large proportion of black males are in this category, who should simply be killed on the spot by random bystanders for doing what they do every day, and when the cops arrive, they should just nod their heads and say “needed killing”.
I have been in Kyle’s shoes. I drew a lethal weapon, and was attacked with a life threatening weapon anyway.
The issue is as always the state activity arresting people who defend themselves against criminals. Whites flee because it’s either not fight back and end up beaten up or dead with your wife and daughters raped or arrested by the authorities for the crime of self defense against spear chuckers.
Neurotoxin answer is garbage without the state activity making defense against blacks illegal.
Jehu:
“Indeed it’s more like it jumps ugly on any nascent expression of white self-defense. The purpose of law enforcement is to protect criminal elements from the vigilante action that would suppress them in their absence.â€
Yes, this is obviously true. E.g. the white couple in St. Louis who merely displayed that they had weapons to a mob of BLM rioters who broke down the gate to their property. The white homeowners didn’t shoot anyone, didn’t even discharge a weapon, didn’t do anything that any sane person would regard as objectionable. But they were seriously persecuted by the law, and the law didn’t do anything to the mob that broke down the gate and threatened them.
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Red: There are people here who can call me out. You’re not one of them.
Funny, I don’t recall calling you out.
I frankly don’t know anything about you but you seem rather thin skinned.
Red, it’s somewhat justified. Neuro- is an OG with his own “turf” that frequents our domain. He’s more of a “foreign dignitary” from an allied realm than a “comments regular.” In my opinion, he should be afforded slightly different conduct restrictions. But I leave it to Jim to make that call.
Neurotoxin should not be subject to any restrictions.
What he says is valuable and informative. I would be happier if he contributed to an environment where shills glow. But he rationally fears he might suffer consequences for such contributions.
This isn’t a new topic, as far back as Moldbug we learned how the authorities induced white flight was commonly talked about. Claiming that whites were unable to fight blacks without state backing is both a lie and an insult the general fighting capabilities of whites.
I observed this first hand in the great darkie cleansing of LA after the LA riots. Mexican groups easily drove blacks off when the state did not to punish them for fighting back. Blacks only induce flight when state power crushes the people who try to defend themselves against it.
Red, I’m genuinely confused. White’s that tried to fight back against negro encroachment were crushed, yes, but IIRC the northern whites didn’t fight back outside of pussified protests and grumbling in the back pages of low readership media offerings. They largely just let it happen. Even in the South, they only seemed to fight back whenever a Sherriff led the charge. Please correct me where I am wrong here, not trying to fight you on it, just trying to get my facts straight. Every instance I’ve found where non-blacks (Eyetalians ain’t white! lol) resisted violently was defensive only, with the black rebellions being put down by federal military forces (Newark, Detroit, etc.).
The terrorism against white self defense started in the 1960s, and closer you were to Harvard, the earlier terror started.
Kunning, just look at the older race riots (like Tulsa or Chicago) and you will see white men fighting back. The sudden absence of white men fighting back is odd in the same way the lack of ‘rightist’ opinions being voiced in the aftermath of Mao’s anti-rightist purge is odd.
“Claiming that whites were unable to fight blacks without state backing is both a lie and an insult the general fighting capabilities of whites.â€
You either didn’t read my first two paragraphs at 2022-08-23 at 00:50 or you’re pretending you didn’t. You did the same thing in “missing†my comment about group selection elsewhere in this thread. Cut it out.
“What he says is valuable and informative.”
Thanks Jim.
The lesson learned from Pooch’s shilling is to beware of new posters who eagerly fill up the comments section while flattering Jim 100% of the time without any constructive critique.
I don’t think Pooch is new — there are comments on from a user named “Pooch” (with a different cat avatar) from 2017, but since there wasn’t really anything sketchy about them I didn’t make a point of researchpoasting about it.
Are the cat avatars a static thing? Is that a tool to be used to establish “identity?” I remember they were instituted due to some technical observations by someone who ended up being not one of us, but I didn’t follow the whole event…
A cat avatar stably reflects your email address, unless I change the salt. There is a risk that the salt may leak. This is a fundamentally dangerous and evil design, patched from a design that automatically leaked all email addresses to a stable centralized repository. I have not done a proper fix on it, just shutdown the automatic leak to the central repository, and changed the salt to something long and random.
What is should do is generate a random cat avatar, and record a stable relationship between that and the email address.
Shills just muddy the waters. They are not effective in spreading their stories. They are effective in making the each member of the vast majority think he is in a minority of one.
This is a huge problem in Christianity. Every Church is full of glowies confidently presupposing that foul demonic heresy is ancient orthodoxy, and no one pushes back on the demons because of Christian fellowship.
Reminds me of how East Germany fell. The Stasi kept everyone thinking that they were just a lone crank that hated what was going on. Then the accidental announcement that if you wanted to cross to West Germany during a specific window, it would be allowed. Hundreds of thousands showed up, realized they were not a lone crank, and the rest is history.
I think that was him? Hard to say.
Honestly pretty impressed with the ‘immune response’ even in the case of a regular. Proof of concept of anti-shill defences right there.
Any other regulars who start acting dodgy will get the shill test much faster next time. Nor did Glowie Pooch able to do any damage. He was just boring and ineffective.
For the record since I posted a fair bit recently, I’ve predominately lurked for a long time, having discovered Jim around the same time I did Moldbug, Land, and others in the Dark Enlightenment. This was shortly after the 2012 US presidential race.
If someone was charitable in describing me, I am the absentminded professor type, mostly useless except for certain obscure subjects that interest me. Conan and his creator REH are one such, so I thought I might be able to offer something interesting to you all.
Mostly, though, I prefer to read and learn from what’s posted on this site. Y’all are wicked smaht and I’m grateful to be a student here.
Father German, Mother Ukrainian, baptized Orthodox as an infant but raised without religion.
As of last year I reconnected with a Russian Orthodox Church in an suburban area on the West Coast. The place isn’t perfect and certainly isn’t the slightest bit Jimian, but since they are normiecon the priest is at least are against abortion and gay marriage.
However, there is one thing that bothers me, the priest likes to have women read from the stand in front of the iconostasis. I usually ignore it, but something irked me recently to tell the priest my concerns, and he gave me a normiecon response.
For those familiar with other jurisdictions, is women reading prayers and reading from the lives of the saints in the middle of service normal? Is this a problem I should be concerned with?
Pauline position very simple, very clear. Women should not speak in Church, nor teach men.
Having women in authority makes reproduction difficult and family unstable. It encourages women to pursue activities that always result in immorality and the thousand cock stare.
What about teachers
Should teaching be men exclusively?
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Timothy-2-12/
Men should teach boys, and old women with children should teach girls. Childless old women tend to turn evil and crazy unless they have helped raise a horde of nieces and nephews.
Boys should start off being taught by their mother and father, then ensure basic literacy and arithmetic with a test, school if they fail the test, then apprenticeship. They do not need to know long division and long multiplication, and only the smarter ones destined for higher apprenticeships need to know the principles of long division and multiplication.
As Paul rightly commands, priests should be recruited from men with well behaved children. The children of the elite get a longer education, mostly not to educate them but to arrange for them to hang out together (playing fields of Eton, not the classrooms of Eton, mostly sports, partying and social occaisions) and to ensure that they get raised in virtue, well behaved men with well behaved children teaching them.
>They do not need to know long division and long multiplication,
Precisely what kind of society do you think would have any use for the people your program produces?
Up until two hundred years ago, 95%-99% of everybody who ever lived was involved in agriculture and/or closely related fields, and could work with their hands. Today, somewhere under 5% of the population can produce all the food needed to feed everybody, with economies of scale that make it impossible to compete. The other 95% need to find something else to do with themselves.
Davos at least has a plan: that those who are capable should do brain work, and the others should drug themselves to death, possibly sterilizing themselves along the way. Ugly, but quiet, and comparatively humane as such things go.
Your plan produces what? A huge segment of the population with no useful or cost-effective skills for anything, no ability to change that, and deliberately avoiding providing them with any opportunity to break out of it.
This isn’t a formula for civilization – it’s a formula for self-cannibalism and collapse.
Vastly better educated children than the current system produces.
Priests really cannot teach anything but priesting. Kids need to start apprenticeships as early as possible, preferably a while before puberty. They need to learn from men who do stuff and know how to do stuff.
Musk is teaching welders how to build rockets. Every transistor in the world is produced by an engineer who learned under an engineer who learned under … an engineer who learned under Shockley.
For a century, all steel in the world was produced by an engineer who learned under an engineer who learned under … an engineer who learned under Bessemer.
No one anywhere ever learned to build transistors at school or university.
Check the school curriculum. It is all disinformation or misinformation, or just bullshit that is not worth wasting anyone’s time. When I checked the schoolwork that my sons were doing, it was nonsense “How the brain works”. Nobody knows how the brain works, and the teachers were full of vaporous hot air.
I taught my sons. Which may be part of the reason they became engineers. Schooling and university was just bullshit. My kids were programming well before puberty, while your Computer Science MIT graduate is apt to think he has learned programming, but screws up on a slight variation of the fizzbuzz test. But he knows more than me about fifty seven genders. Disinformation and sheer ignorance. And, except about activities related to being a teacher or professor, can never be anything else.
Teachers who have no real life experience of anything other than teaching are in no position to teach anyone anything other than teaching about teaching. I speak from experience in raising sons, and experience in interviewing recent graduates.
Institutionalization is killing our work force. I think the term is “learned helplessnessâ€. Young men only know how to ask permission and to ask someone to help them. That is all they have ever done.
If their father was not capable and competent, they are shit out of luck.
“No one anywhere ever learned to build transistors at school or university.”
I learned and built a phased radar array with radar signal processing from scratch. Even got to go into a clean room and do some chemical etching for the microwave frequency circuits. Funny enough I checked the curriculum of my alma mater and both the course and the professor who taught it are gone. To think that 40 years ago my father went to the same university and got to fiddle around with a research nuclear reactor and look down into the core. The reactor was decommissioned long before I ever got to the university, but it’s just more evidence of a long trend of decline.
I guess what I’m getting at was that there was a time when it wasn’t all disinformation or misinformation and many lectures were fun and interesting even if wastes of time. I entered graduate school right about the same time the university started converging almost 10 years ago.
Had an engineering professor who was a former DARPA researcher with decades of industry experience during the heyday of the space race. Very smart man. Guy was pretty salty about all the possible lines of research the government cucked on.
He would occasionally start lectures with interesting problem sets that had implications the smarter students would recognize were things you could not do graduate research on under the current climate.
Had a number of professors who had very tight relationships with industry/research institutes and worked to cultivate the students who stood out. Unfortunately, nearly all of those professors are retired or pushed out.
“Computer Science MIT graduate is apt to think he has learned programming, but screws up on a slight variation of the fizzbuzz test.”
The rate of decline is significantly worse outside the MIT/CALTEC.
I was shamefully lazy during high school and went to a third rate university (consolation prize was that it was still a top 50 graduate program). I had a job where I handled office hours for an intro programming course and a significant number of students did not understand loops. There was this one girl who I spent 3 hours every week for the semester explaining how a loop works and she still did not understand by end of term. The professor still passed her because of reasons… 3 years latter and she graduated with an engineering degree. In fact many of the students who I saw had little to no understanding (I graded their exams) still passed the course. Shocking at the time because just 4-5 years prior that course, taught by a professor with 40 years of industry experience, used to have a 60% fail rate.
Hey 17 y.o. blond female. Newsflash! Most adults don’t know long division anyway and a majority of them are completely lost at fractions and decimals. This is what your present system produces after having taught them calculus in high school, having forced a highly expensive 14 year mathematical education on them.
Before you ask what Jim’s system will produce, ask yourself what the present system is producing.
“Davos at least has a plan […] drug themselves to death, possibly sterilizing themselves along the way.”
This isn’t a formula for civilization – it’s a formula for self-cannibalism and collapse.
[*The leftist tells us about a right he has never met, and what the left thinks it is*]
@jim
I noticed as a kid that these public school hags had the inability to distinguish good from evil.
Public school hags need to be hanged en masse.
Burn the schools, salt the earth, and put the teachers’ and administrators’ heads on pikes. Legally and with due process, of course.
BASED
I don’t have a problem with women reading from Scripture or a designated prayer book. It’s when there’s active editorial or other content from a woman that there’s a problem in my experience. The pastor asking a young girl to read, say, Luke 22:36 is perfectly ok. Inviting her to comment on it or do an exegesis on it isn’t. But that’s just my opinion. At my church we normally have someone read the Scripture that is the subject of the sermon from the pastor that follows, and that someone is often a teenager or preteen.
The Matushka reads from the Lives of the Saints during the Communion of the Clergy, and sometimes there are women who read the prayers after Communion.
My priest says it is about keeping the congregation from noisy chit-chat during the service, but it bothers me. At least the Russian Church does not have women “readers” unlike the Greeks, but it feels off when a woman is standing over the congregation speaking for 10 minutes in the middle of the service.
My father recently passed away from liver cancer and the Lutheran “church” funeral service had a woman priest. I always kept quiet about it until then.
Thing is, I travel almost an hour to this church, and it seems like I have no other options out there. What do I do?
I have found that simply speaking the true faith to normies is astonishingly and surprisingly effective. They sit silently and stew on it for bit, but modify their behavior. But I have never tried it on priests, whom I suspect might well be more resistant. Please try it and report back.
Women speaking in Church is flatly and directly contrary to Christianity, scriptural doctrine, and Christian practice to the twentieth century, and, in my observation, women carrying out a role of authority over men will go looking for Jeremy Meeks and General Buck Naked. It leads to sexual immorality and the thousand cock stare. It is worse than women drinking alcohol in mixed groups without supervision by male kin.
Their pussy says “these men are not men, I will go someplace a real man will find me”. And then they do.
“Women speaking in Church is flatly and directly contrary to Christianity, scriptural doctrine, and Christian practice to the twentieth century”
Mulier taceat in ecclesia.
There are no virgins in the church I attend, unless counting infants.
On the other hand, there are a number of unmarried childless aging women past the wall.
I will say what you have written above to my priest. I voiced my initial concern rather shyly out of fear.
But if there is no change I will leave and try to find a new church.
When speaking, you speak for the Holy Spirit and God stands behind you. The man you address is cucked and beaten down, and needs to seek strength.
Easy way to vet a priest is ask them what a husband should do if his wife will not stop speaking back to him. His response should tell you everything you need to know about him and his church.
You cannot expect him to speak the truth. As far as he knows, you might report him to the authorities.
But, if he is a genuine Christian, when he hears the truth it will hit him. The normie does not debate, he goes quiet.
Another good test is ask them about their church’s stance on gay marriage. Ask cold, and don’t give any cues as to what answer you want to hear. It’s a good test because it checks their fortitude, honesty, depth of theological grasp, really a whole number of attributes.
Haven’t responded to him yet, but he sent me these two articles after I spoke with him about the subject:
https://tinyurl.com/32acpzwz
https://tinyurl.com/4nx74dsu
What do you make of these articles? Is the first article a new angle of attack on Christianity?
This quote from the first article stands out to me:
Sounds very similar to “Jesus the Community Organizer was really an enlightened commie and not like those backwards nazi rednecks.â€
The second article links to a Coptic site. Copts, btw, are heretics in the Orthodox view.
Only you can decide whether or not to leave, but if this is what your priest sends you it does not look good.
“In the first place, there is nothing at all truly “traditional” about assigning a certain “nature” to women.”
Telling us that the tradition is the opposite of what it is bog standard entryism. Every shill on this blog is telling us we believe the opposite of what we believe. He is telling Christians that demon worship is traditional Christianity.
Definite demonic entryist
Now ordinarily I would say post Christian entryist, and not try to guess which kind of post Christian entryist, but if men and women do not have different natures, they are the same natural kind, and there is nothing terribly disturbing about schools transitioning your children. That is the rationale, and the “Point Deer make horseâ€. 指鹿為馬., of a demon worshiping human sacrifice cult. The bit about men and women not being natural kinds is their shibboleth, it is how they identify their fellow demon worshiping faithful.
He is not arguing for Women priests, he is arguing for the obliteration of nature.
The first article disturbed me.
When I asked him about the women speaking in church, he told me women used to speak in the catacomb church. When I asked him his sources because academics lie, he was extremely offended and told me he only reads the church fathers. After the conversation he sends me the above articles.
Saying “I only read the church fathers” and then sending me articles written by academics would count as lying.
Should I still confront my priest, or is it too dangerous? He seemed like an honest normie conservative person before the conversation and him sending me those articles, perhaps I never knew him.
What the catacomb Church did was deep underground, therefore, enemy shills are free to make up any Church tradition they like.
The proposition that women should be allowed to speak in Church is postChristian – it goes back to the Socinians, who rejected the eternity of Christ, and practiced entryism (hail fellow Christian, I am more Christian than thou, fellow Christian) against the Christian Churches. They were not predominantly obvious demon worshippers.
The proposition that men and women do not have different natures is much more recent, and is a shibboleth of demon worshippers, among them demon worshipers practicing entryism against the Christian churches.
The question is, is he a normiecon who is conceding a little bit to the entryists, and has believed their fake consensus is the real consensus, or is he an entryist who worships demons?
I don’t “confront” normies. I speak the truth (selectively, briefly, and at the right moment)
He might well be just a normiecon, who when called on conceding a little bit to the fake consensus, looked for some articles defending the fake consensus, and, to his genuine surprise, found that there are no articles that can plausibly be found in the Church fathers that can plausibly be construed as supporting the fake consensus, just modern demon worshipers telling us that the church fathers can plausibly be construed as supporting the fake consensus.
Maybe he genuinely reads only the Church fathers, but accepted the shill fake consensus about what the Church fathers say, or accepted that all genuine Christians except himself accept that fake consensus. On being called on it, went looking for the supposed consensus, and this is what he found.
When you tell confidently tell a normiecon that the consensus is something different from what the shills and hostile entryists have so confidently told him, it has tremendous impact. Particularly if you speak of the consensus of the communion of the Saints with the authority of God, Christ, and the Holy Ghost.
@Help
Looks like that was taken from the Gospel of Troons.
Trannylations
Archbishop Chrysostomos, the author of the first article, mandated clot-shots for his clergy while defrocking priests who did not comply and commemorated the head of the Ukrainian schismatics. He is a demon worshiper.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/eastern-orthodox-abp-suspends-unvaccinated-priests-warns-of-defrocking-them/
https://orthochristian.com/134829.html
https://orthochristian.com/136447.html
https://orthochristian.com/135724.html
Many brothers have given you good guidance, Help. It is not be necessarily your responsibility to address this pastor/priest that is being subsumed by post-Christianity. But Jim’s comment about just providing the (sadly unexpected or even unknown) truth is dead on the money. So many of our peers our fallen and lost by default, not by choice, and providing an alternative memeplex, even just implying that there is one, can be powerfully effective.
Normiecons are apt to be surprised and relieved on hearing the fake consensus denied.
I lost hope for amerikaaners when speaking the truth on women and negros to otherwise /based/ normies above ~30. They cannot accept it, vehemently deny the easiest of redpills on either, imply my immorality as they change the subject. Their fate is deserved.
Not seeing it.
I routinely and regularly speak to normies in their forties, fifties, and sixties, and they are fine on hearing truth, and respond positively.
Of course I tend to not speak to normies about such matters until they have had a beer or two. Truth serum. If you want to hear the truth from people, need some truth serum, and if you try the truth without it, will get lies in response, resulting in hostility and friction.
Try speaking to Amerikaners in person after a few beers.
They are not going to respond to the truth truthfully when texted, but will, of course, vehemently, indignantly, and passionately deny the truth.
Fidelis, you aren’t necessarily wrong, but please permit a (possibly useless) anecdote.
Even as a leftist faggot, I never had a problem with pointing things out to people if I felt they needed to be said. This made me quite popular in high school when I would embarrass teachers, and quite unpopular after high school when I would speak my mind to women. Over many years of speaking up and suffering the consequences, I have learned to temper my delivery somewhat. Oftentimes, I just extricate myself from a situation where I know I will not be able to avoid saying something. But it has never gone away. When God led me to NRx (so I would find Jim, obviously), he “cursed” me with the blessing of having important things that needed to be said at my disposal. It all seemed so obvious to me, and I took every opportunity to speak up and point things out. Obviously, this got me nowhere. No matter how obvious, no matter how provable, my words fell on deaf ears. As Jim has correctly pointed out, crimestop makes wrongthink impossible, indeed that’s the whole point. I was not dropping redpills on my university classes, I was babbling in an incomprehensible foreign language. Learning this was quite the blow to my self-esteem. I felt as if I had wasted so much time, so many words… much later, though, I had a bit of a revelation. I don’t think a single person I have tried to redpill has been reached, but many other people, people I didn’t know where there, did hear what I said. My efforts have had a profound influence on people, maybe more so than I even know about. If my goal was to construct Gotcha moments then be lauded for my truthing (it sadly was for a while), then I was just an NRx Pharisee. So now, I try to craft a memetic cluster bomb that has wide area affect, and just move on. Even if I actually convince someone to look behind the curtain, it will take a lot of time for them to be affected by what they find.
As much as is tactically possible, we, the priests and paladins of Jimian Christianity, must continue to speak the truth on negros, women, family, governance, race, technology, on every topic that earns the vaunted “on topic” nod in this forum. I am not talking about sandwich boards and street preachers (as hilariously based as that may be), I am talking about influencing influencers. Look at the whole Andrew Tate affair. That dude was dropping Jimian pills left and right, and young men ate it up and demanded more. It was so effective, shills have come here, to the literal source of his memes, and tried to act like we need to distance ourselves from him because of, like, human trafficking or some gay shit. men are hungry for what Jimian Christianity has to offer, and I believe it is our duty to provide it, whether that is directly or though intermediaries.
I am not exhorting you to do as I say or do, I know we have fundamental disagreements on What Is To Be Done. But I am telling you that it is having an impact, we just can’t see it, nor can we predict what the causal relationships are between the Truth and the Masses.
No no no jim you don’t understand. Niggers are americans too. In fact theyve been here so long theyre more american than the irish, who were also black by the way. Racism is affected only as a self effacement, ‘I’m low class therefore I hate blacks the smelly niggers, but I’m not really racist I love blacks.’ They’re schizo about it because theyre in fact retarded, don’t know what’s good for them, and destined for the trashheap world to come. Smarter people will look at you with terror in their eyes before you get to the crimethink, just going close is enough for them.
It’s even worse when it comes to speaking the truth on women. Nothing but weird looks for subtly suggesting women don’t make good choices on who they have sex with. Suggesting well, maybe she likes getting beaten and abused if she keeps sticking around in relationships like that, huh? Let alone anything substantial. Oh but sure you can make some stupid “women like bad boys” comment, but you cannot point out that bad boy means some retard unqualified for sweater folding that beats her and sells her drugs.
Normies have been wildly unable to see or speak truth, even quietly without commitment, on these topics. Very consistent. Tried lots of different deliveries. If I just hit them head on it goes over their heads. If I suggest subtly that maybe things are wrong with the way “the consensus” regards things, I get weird looks, conversation just continues on. I suspect most of your experience “red pilling” and speaking the truth to normies falls into the buckets of either inconsequential truth, “girls like bad boys”, or failure to grasp the nature of your crimethought.
I hang around a rough crowd, but many are purple pilled, and the guys I have spoken truth around, about women, blacks, Jews and other minorities, have all responded positively. Even without the beer. Most laugh and agree, even if they do not speak it themselves.
A couple rejected the truth outright, totally and entirely. And I’ve seen one guy do the NPC shutdown.
This blog and others like it have undone some 5-600 years of social conditioning and gaslighting. That’s not easy. Most guys just are not going to have the words to describe the bullshit that clown world is made of. But they can certainly feel it and sense it.
Exactly so. In a normie, it is non verbal and non conscious. But it is there. Our language has been systematically impoverished to deny them the words in which to speak about it and think about.
Rectification of names. We have words and concepts for what they are denied. Our words are a bit complex, and invoke complex theories. The meme warriors boil this down to essential essence, and that reaches the normies.
Jim, Beer = truth serum: Years ago, feminist acquaintance who was even bitchier than most. One night at a bar, after 2 or 3 beers:
“I want a man who I think could crush me.â€
Kunning: “I try to craft a memetic cluster bomb that has wide area affect, and just move on.â€
I read somewhere that it’s not the first time that a person hears a new idea, that makes it stick in their minds. It’s the second time. So you might be the first person to drop a red pill on someone and just get a blank look. But you’re seeding the ground for the second person to mention the same idea later, and start getting traction.
First article says:
“In the first place, there is nothing at all truly “traditional” about assigning a certain “nature” to women.”
Jim denounces as demon worship.
Later in the article, the author writes:
“Moreover, our intellects and senses teach us that women and men differ. We border on the insane (not an unusual thing in these bizarre times) if we deny the biological roles of men and women in procreation. These roles are verified by the external, physical distinctions of gender. And even the most radical psychological portrayals of men and women readily admit to fundamental differences between the sexes in cognitive style and mental functioning.”
The author directly contradicts himself. What are “fundamental differences between the sexes in cognitive style and mental functioning” if not our “nature”?
If you were to put this mess of words into a clear text, it would be something like this: “Men and women are different but that doesn’t imply traditional roles because.”
I’m sorry that “because” is so abrupt but all of his reasons are so wriggly that there’s no way to sum them up.
For example, this segment (not a paraphrase): “Thus it is that we must not speak too boldly about women in society. If “Kinder und Kuche” are our banner words, we discredit those holy women who surpassed human nature.”
i.e. “The existence of holy women who excelled in the Church proves that women should not be confined to the Church.”
But I don’t like to denounce as demon worship. A demon worshiper would deny that there is such a thing as nature (which he does) but a demon worshiper would not sincerely affirm that there is such a thing as nature (which he also does). I say sincere because he emphatically and unambiguously denies that women have any place in the priesthood.
To borrow from Dalrock, what’s happening here is analogous to conservative opposition to women getting the vote. Cons instinctively knew it was a bad idea but they had no idea why so they invented a really dumb reason. “Uhhh… women are so pure and good that politics would just corrupt them.” Likewise, this guy knows that women have no place in the priesthood but he dislikes the true reason and instead comes up with a mess of obfuscation.
When a conservative holds dumb conservative reasons for the correct view, I don’t think he’s an entryist. He’s just cuckserving and this is the same thing.
The father of lies.
The article is a pile of pious orthodox affirmations mixed with evil insane affirmations.
Much as the stuff I keep deleting from Anonymous Fake and Vlad is a mixture of heartfelt reactionary positions, and wild eyed far leftism.
What tells you that Vlad and Anonymous Fake are in the service of the enemy is not that they embrace contradictions. As you point out, normiecons embrace contradictions, and the heart of Christianity is a set of the biggest possible contradictions.
It is which end of the contradiction they embrace. Vlad can rant about rich powerful evil Jews all day long, but is unable to notice any actual evil actions carried out by a particular rich powerful evil Jew.
Vlad says “It is the Jews” but cannot see any actual evil acts. A normiecon is the other way around, seeing particular evil acts and not “the Jews”
This guy is not a normie. He worships demons, because his contradictions are the reverse of the contradictions of a normie trying to rationalize the Christian exclusion of women from authority.
Second article is Coptic, i.e. schismatic, but it’s just basic conservative anti-feminism. Am sure you can find plenty Orthodox who believe it, plenty of Baptists, plenty of whatever.
“Feminism will have you believe that there is a very real and very strong conflict between morality and equality and the Church, or equality and the Bible, or equality and the concept of God, which doesn’t exist.”
What does “equality” mean in this sentence? It doesn’t have a meaning. It’s just a feel-good word.
The social implications of “equality” keep changing. Once upon a time, it meant that rulers should be elected by ballot. Now it means that taking it up the ass is the same thing as actual sex.
This is voodoo. A linguistic totem used to justify whatever people want to justify.
Now you could say that people or groups are equal in some specific aspect. You might say that Mongolians are equal to white Europeans in IQ. That’s a real statement with appreciable true/false value. But they’re not equal in skin color.
This is the progressive shell game:
Pr: “Mongolians have the same IQ as Europeans, right?”
Normie: “Yes.”
Pr: “So they’re equal.”
Normie: “Sure.
Pr: “If they’re equal, then they have the same skin color because equal means same. Lawgic trapped.”
Blanket “equality” is a an anti-concept that must be rejected if you want any rational discourse. Talk specific values or qualities or shut up.
What bothers me regarding the first article is not Archbishop Chrysostomos’ positions on feminism, but the way in which he states them. Much of what he says is to a great degree simply gay, such as the quote below:
In other words, standard basic feminism regarding men and women being equal in positions of authority. However, there are other quotes which are more sinister:
This strikes me as similar to Origen’s allegorization of scripture, in which he applies the “spiritual not literal†heuristic in an attempt to align himself with the Pagan philosophers. One moderates with regard to praxis, but never with ideology. Do we “moderately†believe in the infallibility of the church? The infallibility of scripture? The truths of the Ecumenical Councils? Do we “moderately†believe in the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ? This method of thinking is common among uneducated normiecons either midwits or of average or below average intelligence, but for an intelligent and learned man said thinking is of a demonic entryist.
In my comment above, I linked not only to Archbishop Chrysostomos defrocking clergy who refused the injection and him commemorating schismatics, but also him attacking his fellow clergy. He stated in an interview, “If I had killed their parents or siblings, they wouldn’t have done this to me. They poured out acid and bile. I haven’t done anything to them to justify this hostility.â€
https://orthochristian.com/135330.html
These are not the words of a proper Christian bishop.
On the other hand, the Coptic article was standard “I can stay retarded longer than you can stay solvent†Conservatism. With all respect to Help, unless his priest is highly intelligent, I do not believe that he is necessarily a demonic entryist.
The devil can quote scripture for his purposes…
Neofugue, what are Archbishop Chrysostomos’ connections to the US State Department or the Intelligence Community, if any? The whole affair with the Ukraine Situation in Orthodoxy, of which I am only slightly informed, has the fingerprints of GAE meddling all over it, including but not limited to Mike Pompeo being involved in the decision.
What is revealing is what he does not want you to see – the important data is not anything he says, which is meaningless nonsense intended to distract and confuse, but what is unsaid, the unspoken presuppositions about the Christian faith, the assumed consensus which is wildly different from the actual consensus of the communion of the saints, revealing what he he seeks to deny, which unspoken denial reveals the author’s monstrous and demonic intent.
Nothing he says matters, it is all utter nonsense intended to distract and confuse. The only thing that matters is what he is strangely unable to say, the false consensus of the communion of the Saints implied, presupposed, and taken for granted, but never actually stated. (Because everyone already supposedly already knows that that is the consensus of the communion of the Saints)
What an enemy entryist says is just nonsense and lies intended to distract you, confuse you, to overwhelm you with squid ink, to muddy the water, and to make you look away from what matters.
What you must instead pay attention to is what he is implicitly assuming and taking for granted as consensus, the false consensus, and what is true and relevant, but somehow strangely unmentionable, the actual consensus true facts that are right in everyone’s faces that he fails to notice, and the false consensus he never explicitly states, but takes for granted.
Pay no attention to what he says. It is all flim flam, lies, nonsense, and distractions. Hear what he is strangely unable to say.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Timothy-2-12/
Women don’t speak during any part of the liturgy at a Tridentine Latin Mass, no female altar servers either. I’d give it a try if you can find one near you.
Women are not permitted to lead any part of the service or serve as acolytes/servers in my confessional Lutheran congregation. This is true in pretty much all confessional Lutheran congregations that aren’t aping evangelical worship, although many will allow girls to light the candles. Up until the 70’s they weren’t allowed to vote in congregational meetings either or serve on the church council; their husbands had to represent the whole family in meetings. We are working toward this being the norm again and I am confident that as boomers die off it will change of itself.
It’s debatable whether women should even be allowed to speak in bible class or catechesis and ask questions. According to 1 Corinthians 14 they really ought to ask their husbands for the answer at home.
As you say, what’s bothering you is that the priest *likes* to put women forward much more than what’s they’re actually doing, which is rather minor.
I had a similar experience early-on at a Church where the priest denounced racism. Of course, he meant this in the boomer sense, that it’s not Christian to lynch negroes as recreation, after fishing, on a Sunday afternoon. He did not mean it in the sense that whitebreads possess the anima of oppression and that their evil psychic waves are the direct cause of minority under-performance. He probably wasn’t even aware that’s the most prominent interpretation of racism in America today.
So, I figured out it wasn’t a worthwhile thing to fret about.
In the same way, your priest has imbibed some egalitarian notions of man and woman. He’s wrong but that doesn’t mean he’s wrong in all the ways that pussy hat feminism is wrong.
Dear brother, I am glad you reconnected with the Church. Let me humbly submit that although, as you mention, your parish may not be perfect (my parish isn’t perfect; I doubt any parish is perfect, although the one I grew up in was darned good) I don’t think women reciting the after-Communion prayers is a red flag in and of itself.
For those who aren’t Orthodox, these are prayers written over a thousand years ago by Saint Basil, Saint Simeon Metaphrastes, and other men, not something that the Matushka is coming up with on the spot. For a woman to be reading the standard texts, without embellishment, as directed to do that by the (male) priest, seems as normal to me as having women sing in the choir.
A parish is like a family– we call the priest Father and his wife Matushka, a diminutive of the Russian word for mother. What’s important is that the priest, like a father, exercises his proper role of authority. But some of that authority is delegated to the mother.
This week I told my wife, “The garage door pulleys and springs need replacing, but I’m busy in the office so I need you to arrange it. Call Bob and Mary across the street, find out who did theirs, and have them come give you a quote. If it’s under X hundred bucks, have them come do the work.” She did just that. But she wasn’t acting independently. I made the decision and she executed it.
This is a shitty analogy; a better one would have involved children. Because, as your priest said, he is having her recite those prayers aloud to keep the parishioners, the “children”, from yakking inappropriately. He can’t do it himself; he’s busy inside the altar serving the Liturgy. He has delegated, but maintains, his authority.
I have often seen the Communion prayers read aloud by chanters who may be men or women, depending on who’s there that day; but it has always been at the chanter’s stand or from the choir loft.
I do agree that it’s weird, and probably not appropriate, to have a woman stand in front of the iconostasis facing outward, in the physical position of teaching the congregation. That gives the physical impression that she is taking over the priest’s role of teaching, usurping his authority. Whereas when the prayers are recited by someone standing with other congregants, there is no suggestion that he or she is in a position of authority.
Saint Paul says “I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence”. The wisdom of this is borne out by the fact that the Protestant sects where women recently got authority have gone off the rails, and the pagan religions with priestesses were bloodthirsty and evil.
But where St. Paul speaks of silence here, I think it is as the negation of women getting up and preaching, not as a literal and total prohibition. If the latter, we would prohibit women from singing in the choir, which is not something I have ever heard any Orthodox writer ever advocate. Singing in the choir carries no authority; if anything, the reverse.
If a priest accepts the spirit of St. Paul’s teaching, but just interprets it less literally, I think that’s not so bad.
I can think of an extreme case. Many years ago at a moleben to a newly glorified saint, our bishop, a masculine and God-fearing man and by no means a loosey-goosey liberal, was preaching to us on the life of that saint. He mentioned that one of the congregation present had been healed miraculously after praying to that saint and asked her, a middle-aged woman, to stand up and tell the story. While she spoke he continued standing, leaning on his bishop’s staff, in front of the congregation and when she was done and sat down, he thanked her and continued preaching.
It was unprecedented and felt weird to have a woman stand up and speak in church, and some might say he was violating St. Paul’s command. But I think he would have said that he was acting in accordance with St. Paul’s words on men having authority. She didn’t sermonize on her own. She just told her story as he directed. He maintained his physical and spiritual authority in the church.
I agree with Yul Bornhold when he writes that what’s really bothering you, maybe appropriately, is the attitude of the priest. Hopefully your priest is also on board with St. Paul and just interprets his words possibly too loosely. But even if he’s a bit squishy– people do learn. In the meantime, if you don’t have another option for a church around, remember that perfection is rare in this world. Tough times are ahead, and best to be part of an imperfect parish than be atomized and on your own.
The priest, likely a normiecon, defends a questionable position with texts from a demon worshiper, being unable to find support among the Church fathers. Being a normiecon, probably accepts that the position that there is no difference between men and women is an mere arbitrary convention is the consensus and always has been. It is not consensus now, and it was not even on the horizon of the Church fathers.
“While everyone would celebrate a car bombing campaign against the neocons …”
I’m dying, LOL! From today’s Zblog essay.
A few neocons dying in car bombs is just the price we have to pay to enjoy a multicultural society.
LOL based.
Here’s a post from the Leaflads at ASB on TGram:
“Just to put the current conflict in Ukraine into perspective:
In 1991 Iraq, USA has fired 60,000 rounds for the entire gulf war.
Russia fires this in one day.
The NATO industrial base is not capable of such production numbers.
Europe is not capable of producing an arsenal capable to stand up to the Russian military.
Expert opinion:
According to ex-US marine corp officer Scott Ritter, the British would run out of ammunition in 2 weeks in a war against Russia. Scott Ritter said they would “not even last 2 weeks because they’d lose their entire army by then.â€
According to Scott, NATO has been demilitarized. Even the United States,
According to Scott, has run out of rounds for their most important systems which are meant to break down the Russian military — in event of conflict.
Scott says that the Russian military, according to leaked documents by Ukrainian ministry of defense itself — inflicted 250,000 casualties onto the Ukrainians. This is 3x the size of Britain’s entire standing army.
Scott estimates that before the war, no European military would stand in a conflict with the Ukrainian army. He explains that the Ukrainian military would decimate Poland, Germany, Romania, etc.
Having internal knowledge due to his US military background/connections, Scott is aware of the level of support, training and supplies to the Ukrainian military since 2014. Scott describes the pre-2022 Ukrainian military as best combat equipped in Europe with more battle experience than any other army in Europe.
Scott Ritter estimates 15,000 combined casualties for Russia and its allies, this is inline with our previous estimation.
Ukrainians are losing thousands of men without ever seeing a Russian soldier face to face. This is inline with the videos we saw from various Ukrainian units who refused to fight and called on the Ukrainian authorities to pull them out of battle. They said the exact same thing. The casualty ratio between Russia and Ukraine is simply jaw dropping. These are numbers we have not seen in modern history.
Russia is doing this with 200k men, a peace time economy. Russia has not mobilized. Russia has employed 20% of its capability.
One more thing to add: while looking at maps, we only see “small advance†arrows. Small advance arrows accomplish one thing, they demilitarize Ukraine and inflict heavy casualties on the Ukrainians without putting Russian lives at danger. Russia is not on a timed schedule here. They have no reason to rush. Anyone who studied history, especially WW2 battles — is aware that big arrow map moves cost big casualties. Thousands of men die. There’s simply no reason for this. In fact, the longer Russia drags this out, the more they demilitarize Europe and drain the United States military supplies and funds.
At the same time, the Russian military is now the most combat experienced military in the world. The longer this drags on, the more soldiers get combat experience due to rotations. The more pilots get to perfect their skills, navy, intelligence, etc.
No modern military has fought a war even remotely similar to the Ukrainian war. This is not a war where the enemy gets bombed to oblivion by aviation, cities get turned into rubble and soldiers then move in like heroes with minimal resistance— this is ground warfare in its purest form; artillery battles, territorial conquest. This is where individual skills and strategy are crucial.
The world has not seen anything like this since WW2. Russia will demilitarize Ukraine. Russia will reach its goals. No magical weapon can change that. No one with military background doubts this.”
I am wondering if Basil in particular would care to comment on this opinion, which I personally find compelling but cannot ascertain the veracity thereof. Basil has consistently argued that the SMO has been a blunder, a mistake that handicaps Russia going forward. This assertion by ASB is a technical refutation of that assertion. This is not to say that there aren’t other issues and problems created by the SMO, but I think we can put to bed the idea that the SMO is weakening Russia *in comparison with what it is doing to the GAE.*
I am also wondering what your take is, Jim, on the strategic doctrine intimated by the ASB assertion. Yes, the RF started on a bad foot, and it is not quite IEW yet, but it is a form of warfare, a full spectrum assault on combined opposition, that does not preclude a transition to IEW. The downsides possible are significant; the current situation in Crimea is notable, as the AFU and their NATO handlers appear to be charting the capabilities of the RF air defense umbrella over the peninsula, potentially for long term strategic purposes by figuring out the limits of their air defense capabilities at the expense of “Ukrainian” assets (meaning American taxpayer funded NATO baubles lol). But here as well, ASB asserts (in a different post) that the RF is only using the export variants of their AD systems, and the dichotomy between the export and domestic variants is, according to ASB, vast.
I did notice that during the beginnings of the conflict, when Ukraine still had an operable air force, that the weapons systems that the evil Russians were employing against the noble and innocent Ukrainian people were the older models. Air defense systems that had been replaced by newer versions were being used. Older tanks were being used as fire support. A lot of Soviet-Era arms. This was used as an example of how both poor and dumb Russians are and also, simultaneously, how calculating and evil they are.
What went unremarked upon was the fact that they are using their older weapons and still beating the Uke military like they aren’t even there. Given that Russian military engineering tends to incremental improvements and iteration to make advancements, their most modern weapons have got to be terrifyingly effective. The fact that their artillery was able to locate and destroy American artillery does not bode well for the GAE’s chances in a serious conflict.
Modernized T-72 at a recent tank bathlon.
https://www.anekdot.ru/i/caricatures/normal/22/8/19/biatlon_47306.mp4
The generational gap regarding RF systems made by ASB seemed a bit extreme, but given how abysmal the HIMARS is compared to its equivalents (and using that term is a stretch), we shouldn’t be surprised to find that the entire panoply of the GAE arsenal is in terrible shape for a real hot war.
Col. MacGregor maintains that the one area GAE has an actual edge is in submarines.
Russians don’t put women on subs, do they?
That’s a very good question, Wulfgar. Cursory search: https://archive.ph/YaH6X
I broke down and watched the new Top Gun the other day. Honestly, genuinely entertaining. Only stands out due to the Woke Wave that is ongoing, and loaded with multi-kulti, diversity == strength BS. The USAF pilots cadre is ~7% female across the board, and this embarrassment of an article was found: https://archive.ph/ZVnWF
Title: “Finally, ‘Top Gun’ has a female pilot. Real life should catch up.”
Savor the lunacy, courtesy of Eileen Bjorkman lol.
The wokeness is certainly grating but thankfully it’s mostly reserved for the start of the film. All the monkeys and femoids are irrelevant after halfway in. The film’s central narrative involves the character development of a White man, a White-passing man (Jewish actor), and a third White man. Notably the cocky third guy started out looking destined to be the film’s designated ebul colonial obbressor but he’s ultimately redeemed without massively altering his personality. The worst kick in the teeth the film has I would say is the famous pilot letting himself get hitched to a 50yo former girlfriend. The last bit aside, it seems clear that the producers were just paying the minimally-demanded diversity tax tax before getting to the film’s meat and I’m surprised Hollywood let a film this undisresprectful of Red America and Warrior culture get released in 2022.
I thought it was well done and very respectful to the original offering. The callbacks, nods, and literal copy/pastes from the OG film were excellent. The film didn’t get up its own ass about being realistic, electing to be fun and exciting instead. Just like the original, the notion behind the geopolitics is just a zany nothing (a “breakaway rogue nation” with every SU-57 extant to guard a Dr. Evil style “evil weapon material” lol) because we just need an excuse to film fighter jets going fast. The diversity tax will preclude it from the halls of classic cinema once films start to be made again, but whatever, it’s a thumb in the eye of the establishment. Multiple instances of explicit dialogue that’s basically “You’re done, white man.” and Cruise responding “Maybe so, but not today.”
All in all, definitely worth a watch. The KD minimum for passable or better film is in-camera effects + actual footage, and it passed with flying colors. Excellent cinematography; Tony Scott would be proud.
Jim has eluded to the fact that the Cathedral is incapable of seeing thoughtcrime if it’s too pure/extreme, and I thik there are elements of that movie that would have tripped many sensors *if* they actually had good “red team” capabilities. But they don’t. This means, potentially, that certain types of thoughtcrime are literally active camouflage for certain memetic payloads…
I found out why they’re able to field any female pilots at all. They’ve built a automatic carrier landing system. Female pilots don’t even attempt to land manually. Of course the chances of that system working during war conditions… probably slim.
Article on Rus financial times lamenting the lack of women in Russian subs.
https://ftimes.ru/437535-na-podlodkah-vmf-rossii-zhenshhiny-sluzhit-ne-budut.html
Date?
A whole lot of brightly glowing entryists left Russia for western Europe when Russia was cut off from SWIFT and western business left Russia. I assume their pay stopped coming.
They generally stole everything not nailed down and set fire to the rest immediately before they got on their plane.
Article is 31st Dec 2021
Then probably Western entryists. It would be illuminating to track that writer down and see where he is now, and what rus Financial Times is writing like today.
Cursory search yielded scant results. Author is credited as IRINA ORLONSKAYA, and a google search turned up a single hit, an article reposted on some sort of blog site:
https://www.archynetys.com/putin-payments-to-students-in-2021-how-much-will-they-pay-and-how-to-apply/
A review of “FTIMES” Editorial staff page is a null result:
https://ftimes.ru/editors
Gut instinct says either nom de plume OR fake name, but a native Slavbro might have better luck searching the Russian internet, as splinternet is quietly becoming a reality.
250,000 Ukrainian casualties to 15,000 Russia +Russian allied casualties are insane numbers. If these numbers were true than it would be a complete and utter failure that Russia has not captured Kiev and the entire country at this point and is instead slowly gaining ground inch by inch.
These numbers are many many times more optimistic than even the highest and most optimistic Russian official estimates.
War of attrition.
Nothing much happens until the losing side has gotten rid of all the young men that the rulers never much liked and do not really want around. (That being the usual reason why you get a war of attrition, that one side is frightened of its own officers and dislikes the men it is conscripting.)
In a war of attrition, the front line does not move much until one side is wiped out.
Which will have unfortunately catastrophic effects of the genetic patrimony of Malorossiya.
An eventuality that the Kremlin, while grimly resolved to now, as is necessary, seemed to want to avoid; but tragi-ironically brought about by *insufficient* willingness at first to inflict damage in the opening movements.
Putin wanted to save his Ukrainian brother’s lives and his soft hearted behavior may ultimately resulted in the deaths of millions of Ukrainians. Weakness is always punished.
Source?
I don’t believe the Russians are giving official estimates of Ukrainian casualties. These numbers sound plausible to me, given the tactics that the sides are applying. Ukraine is acting like it wants Ukrainians dead.
The war didn’t start february, it’s been going on for at least 8 years.
The Ukrainians have many fortifications and significantly more manpower.
The Russians are gaining ground slowly because they cannot afford to lose men, and also – the soldiers believe they are defending the civilians.
But even then- consider – how many battles have been fought where the defenders outnumbers the attackers *and the attackers continue to gain ground*?
https://t.me/asbmil/4325
Purported leaked document from Ukraine states:
At the beginning of July, the armed forces include:
dead – 76640
wounded – 42704;
prisoners – 7244;
missing – 2816; non-combat losses – 1610.
Total – 131014 people. (Casualties are gross total combat ineffective)
It really is almost all artillery casualties. More dead than wounded and almost no prisoners.
Desertion must be part of “prisoners” and “missing”. Not much apparently. Desertion seems to be difficult
Ukraine I think uses methods the Reich used in 1945 to keep their army from distegrating. Roaming Azov niggers in the rear area who just kill everyone who can’t show written orders as to why they are there (lookup “drumhead court martials”).
I would think some of the Ukes would try to desert to the Russians though.
Desertion is difficult until everyone deserts simultaneously, which seems to be what happened in the collapse of Severodonetsk Lysychansk and the attempted Kherson offensive. If the document is genuine, most of those deserters were eventually rounded up.
That is getting close to the limit at which an army collapses. At that rate, a few more months.
The Global American Empire strategy was forever war. The vastly wealthier west would exhaust the economic capacity of Russia. The Russian economy is not yet showing signs of stress. The Ukrainian army is showing signs of stress consistent with this document being genuine.
250K military casualties or military + civilian combined?
Has to be combined. If it was 250K military, Ukraine would have surrendered by now. The entire UKR army would have deserted. Hell, the French surrendered to the Germans in WW2 after suffering around 350K casualties.
Ritter is trying to tell us that a country that allows Gay parades in 2022 and a TFR 2 and no gay parades?
Sorry, my last question should have been
Ritter is trying to tell us that a country that allows Gay parades in 2022 and a TFR less than 1.33 is doing better than a major world power in 1940 that had a TFR greater than 2 and no gay parades?
Not sure why my comment got mangled like that. I posted it exactly this way.
French in World War I lost over one million men in an army that had seven million fighting men, and won.
But that is the limit. Your army is apt to collapse at ten percent casualties.
Right, so if the 250K number claimed by Ritter is correct, how are the Ukrainians still fighting? They can’t possibly have an army of 2.5 million or more.
Ukraine only has about 300,000-500,000 soldiers. Do you really think it’s realistic that half or more of the soldiers have been casualties but they still haven’t collapsed?
I think it is possible. Consider how many Hohols were conscripted into the AFU. The professional army of UKR has been annihilated, and the remnant are being used to “judas goat” the conscripts into the trenches.
If 50%-80% of Ukraine’s soldiers have been killed, even taking the generous and higher estimates of how many soldiers they have at face value, and most soldiers left are only pathetic khokhols, why is Russia still only gaining ground inch by inch day by day?
Theoretically, if Side Z wishes to grind down the full panoply of military capacity of Sides A through G, it would be in their best interest to prolong the conflict and pull as many resources as A-G will voluntarily commit. So long as A-G keep pouring in money and equipment, and Z keeps on destroying it or taking it, Z should keep the situation “the same.” If they move to quickly, the money and resources will stop being poured into the bottomless pit, but they must keep moving to keep the “disappearing act” going.
Whether this is actually what’s happening or not, I don’t know. But it seems like a pretty nifty trick to reduce NATO’s strategic reserves, gain a ton of intel on available assets, strategies, and info sources, literally collect weapons left on the battlefield or sold to them by UKR (this is happening, many such cases), and collapse the largest opposition military in the European Theater.
The GAE core leadership is incapable of war fighting, and they appear to be dragging their useful idiots down with them in the EU. As the Great Reset initiatives continue, domestic opposition will grow, and grow more fierce. For at least a decade, RF espionage and intel forces have been propping up climate radicals and woke NGOs. These things are not disconnected. The RF has been planning this since at least 2014. There are just too many moving parts for a simplistic explanation that accurately covers all the various particulars, but if you step way back and look at the unfolding Operation, the RF has one main goal: reduce existential threat from the GAE. Comparing the GAE on 20 February 2022 and current day, has this been accomplished? I think it has, and I think it will continue. A possible proof for my assertion is whether the RF goes after GAE satellite constellations. They can’t do much to the GAE combined navies, but they could blind their “top cover,” meaning they will have neutered the GAE on land and in the air.
@Kunning, hard to believe that an army of a country with a low TFR (essentially means no male ownership of women) and Gay parades can keep fighting after losing half their fighting men. The remnant would just surrender or desert. What exactly are they fighting for?
The Gay Parade Incapacity thesis is actually quite narrow: sodomite converged governments cannot win wars. Losing slowly or quickly, sacrificing the seed corn, slowly atrophying under countless “modernization” and “equity boosting” programs, burning through assets and materiel; all of these things could be happening, and it doesn’t disprove the thesis. At no point has the AFU been on the offensive. Never. Contrary to the assertions being made in February through May (even on this blog, I might add), the RF is not losing the propaganda war, it is not suffering handicapping levels of destruction or casualties, and they are not being finacially or militarily run down.
The AFU was decimated in the first month (this means 1 in 10, btw and I hate how it is misused), and their professional army is functionally destroyed. Now, they are just filling trenches with conscripts about as fast as the RF is clearing them out, maybe a bit slower, which is why the “advance” is slow. I believe the RF has achieved their territorial aims, as well they have achieved most of the de-nazification in regards to the military (my guess is that aspect will be complete when the Zelenskyites flee or are massacred by their “own” people in the final stage) and Uke society. Now, they are just burning NATO resources and collapsing the GAE economy.
More like over a million soldiers, since they are also using the national guard, etc.
Which would be still be a ~25% casualty rate even if they’ve managed to get and actually utilize that many troops, which is well above Russian and Western estimates of Ukraine’s strength. A casualty rate well above a 10% rate that’s supposed to be the breaking point. If they’ve truly suffered such a ridiculously high casualty rate while the vast majority of their army are conscripts with no military experience than Ukraine’s fought one of the bravest wars in world history, the bravest in the past 50+ years.
There are still reports of mass mutinies, desertion, and fanatic political officers on the rear lines executing deserters. Then consider it is an artillery war and tuat the only place worse than being in the trenches in an artillery barrage is not being in the trenches. The poor bastards might just be dropped in the trenches and told to try to survive. Meanwhile the Russians annihilate anyone who shows any military initiative in their quest to demilitarize Ukraine and drain Western arms stockpiles. They might just be keeping their heads down and trying their best not to die.
France collapse in WWII was due to being outmaneuvered, not suffering casualties.
Jim’s WWI France is a good comparison – but note that the French army in WWI soft mutinied and began refusing orders to attack.
Okay good point. The French collapsed in WW2 due to the psychological shock brought about by German tactics. Still a country with low TFR and Gay parades seems to be putting up an impressive resistance. What do the men there have to fight for? What exactly is happening?
The only explanation is that Russia is going easy on them. I can’t thin of any other explanation. And the 250K number makes no sense. No way low TFR + Gay parade can take those sort of casualties and keep fighting. You might as well tell me that Gravity is a repulsive force.
They are facing a high quality, prepared propaganda campaign combined with state violence targeted at point resistance. Why did anyone go along with covid?
I don’t think so. French officers regularly surrendered while their men wanted to fight on. The socialist French government had godless socialists in almost every officers position. They surrendered by the Thousands and fled from battle at the first sound of a gun shot. Even if the Germans had gone straight through Belgium they would have easily won. As it was the feint army group creamed the French units in their path even before they were outmaneuvered.
When the French and German armored divisions met in Belgium the French did fine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hannut
This happened at exactly the same time as the Sedan breakthrough, which cut the French army in Belgium off from supply and communications.
Maybe the French would have eventually lost anyway, but the spectacular collapse was due to mispositioning their army and allowing it to be encircled, not a German tactical superiority, or inferior French morale.
A better example of poor French morale might be the one division at Sedan running away https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sedan_(1940)#Luftwaffe_assault
But then it was a poor quality reserve division subjected to perhaps the biggest ever tactical air assault to that time, so not clear any other army’s equivalent division would have acted differently.
The the best units the French army ran right into the German feint attack and they fell back retreating from a feint. That’s not doing fine.
Apparently circa january they had half a million people.
Hard to surrender when you’ve been told that if you desert, you’ll be shot, and that if you’re captured, you’ll be tortured.
Now you can’t guarantee the latter, but – theres evidence that the Russians aren’t playing : constant artillery bombardment, thermobaric weapons
What do you do? It’s a terrible position for the Ukrainians to be put into. I sympathise with them, they’ve been propagandised and beaten into suicidal submission.
Kind of like the way Isis gets people to lay still for the beheading videos.
When I was in a techy business we outsourced basic tasks requiring English to India or the Philippines, while the annotation and feedback done by higher paid smaller teams located in Massachusetts and Cambridge. I believe GAE is doing something similar in the Balkans. It is a place with a lot of English speakers, local knowledge of Ukraine and Russia, and low wages. The shill test does not even seem to require an understanding of the ideas, they refuse to even copy and paste even a single sentence. People initially skeptical of the concept end up shocked and challenged from the blatant ducking. It’s like shining a torch on someone in the dark. The conversations can be hilarious and it is a lot of fun
The shill test is portable and testing is ongoing. Similarly, I did some research on another theory here, specifically the idea that moon landing hoax, 9/11 troofers, and other “conspiracy theorists” are dual purpose attacks (muddying the water, and making other reasonable if mystifying assertions “bollocks” by proximity contamination), and, if you can get them to respond, flat earthers are 9/11 troofers are moon hoax aficionados. They often crowd around space related videos and topics, jumping in with flat earth which derails and makes any other heterodox statements contaminated. If one attempts to discuss tech decline, flat earthers appear out of nowhere. Strange, that. 😉
>the white race started with Thor.
And it ended with Chris Chan.
“>the white race started with Thor.”
Got a better start point?
Chris Chan adjacent people have always existed in the white race and other races as well. The harshness of nature meant they died early. The safety of modernity means we get to see them grow up and be a nuisance and embarrassment for society at large.
Thankfully Chris Chan types aren’t very good at reproducing so the white race will likely survive those types. Surviving ESG DEI self hating white guilt death cults on the other hand…
As I earlier remarked, the Cromagnons were mighty white. They look like us, and their art has more in common with ours than it has with Middle Eastern or East Asian art. But they were not us. Maybe they were better than us in important ways, but they did not put together a social order capable of collective action to resist the encroaching Middle Easter grain farmers
But because the Aryans arose from a substantial mingling event with Middle Eastern grain farmers, I put white as starting with “the rise of the sons of Arius” – the rise of the sons of Thor.
I conjecture that the Middle Eastern grain farmers hit some descendants of the Cromagnons pretty hard, resulting in a mingling event, and out of that mingling event arose a race with many good qualities of the Cromagnons, and also the capacity for large scale collective action to secure property rights that the Middle Eastern grain farmers had.
I was prodding Contaminated NEET for a response more value added than >the white race started with Thor.
I was trying to say that it’s silly to puff ourselves up with the glories of the past while the present and future are looking so grim. Yeah, it’s cool that our steppe warrior ancestors in their chariots rolled over the matriarchal farmers, but that doesn’t do much for anyone now. Today we’re in rapid and likely terminal decline, and our best people and our noblest virtues have been turned against us.
http://www.zindamagazine.com/html/archives/2007/06.03.07/pix/Saroyan.pdf
“We were a great people once,” he went on. “But that was yesterday, the day before yesterday. Now we are a topic in ancient history. We had a great civilization. They’re still admiring it. Now I am in America learning how to cut hair. We’re washed up as a race, we’re through, it’s all over, why should I learn to read the language?
Large scale cooperation is hard. Every Republic goes horribly wrong at the end.
But we have several tools our ancestors did not:
Game theory, evolutionary theory, economic theory, double entry book keeping and the corporate form, the internet, and cryptography.
Cryptography is an enormously potent tool whose full implications and consequences are just a small storm on the horizon, coming closer. The growth of bitcoin from a small hobby project to a major international economic force is just a small beginning, and Web 3.0 is at present just a collection of half implemented dreams, as Bitcoin was in the beginning.
The American revolutionaries put together a republic based on the fact that they had the history of past republics at their fingertips, plus double entry book keeping, while past republics came about more by the unthinking accidents of history. The American Republic was designed, while previous Republics just happened. We have tools more potent than they did.
When the revolutionaries put together a Republic, it was time for Republics. Now it is time for Kings again. I envisage a feudalism where everyone carries an IFF, and knights program drones rather than ride horses in heavy armor and wield heavy steel swords like lightning.
The white race alone had the necessary intellectual capabilities to engineer a Republic like no other, and now has the necessary intellectual capabilities to engineer a monarchy, feudalism, and state religion like no other.
Dune is a fascinating book from a feudalism standpoint, I remember reading it as a kid and thinking there is no fucking way any of it works but now I’ve realized that Herbert just kinda stepped around the issues of how you get a galactic empire to work from a game theory and cultural perspective. It would have been a nightmare to explain in detail how the espionage of a 10 millennia old civilization with autist super computers work. Reading this blog has given me a huge appreciation for just how far seeing the disciples were in building Christendom and how much of a foundation civilization requires.
BASED
To establish a new paternal order, women must come to fear men again. Wives must come to fear their husbands.
It is difficult to punish women, and girls. I have an ex-wife, and two daughters. Despite my ex-wife’s behavior, really not sure I have what it takes to kill her. Definitely do not have what it takes to hurt my daughters. I don’t think it is because I am weak, or cowardly. I think that’s just how it is for most men who are not hell bent on death and destruction. I don’t think that’s beta either.
I don’t think it is reasonable to expect a husband to kill his adulterous wife. I think the paternal order would break down. Women just have a way of wiggling around this.
If an adulterous women is to be put to death, or otherwise severely punished, has to be the father of the husband that does it. Or possibly brothers of the husband. Obviously the father of the adulterous woman cannot be counted on for support.
It is the paternal investment that must be secured, so it is the father of the husbands investment that has been aggrieved in the case of adultery.
Upon news of an engagement, the father must sit with his son’s fiancé and tell her in no uncertain terms what the consequences of betrayal are. If she cannot see herself remaining faithful to his son, she must say so now and is free to end the engagement.
I have a son, and I can say there is no better investment in a man’s time and energy. If he should find a wife some day, I will sit down with his fiancé and have this conversation with her. I absolutely will not tolerate a wife betraying my son. I have way too much invested in him. Either by her choice or mine, she will not bring trouble to my family.
I suggest others do the same, or something similar.
Seems pretty reasonable to me. Indeed, difficult to prevent or restrain.
If it is in front of your face, perhaps.
In todays world, most men are not equipped for this. The betas won’t do it and the alphas will just get a younger hotter girl. Far less trouble.
After several generations of successful patriarchy, much better odds.
Overall it just seems too risky to leave in the hands of the husband. I could be wrong. History may say something different.
>Overall it just seems too risky to leave in the hands of the husband. I could be wrong. History may say something different.
It does.
They are not equipped for this because it is not the norm and no one knows anyone who has done it and continued to be respected by society. Normality bias.
3 generations back, the idea that women would celebrate killing foetuses in the womb would have sounded ludicrious or dystopian. Just like women can celebrate killing foetuses, men too can kill adulterous wives and continue to be respected members of society.
Imagine a society where if you did not kill your adulterous wife, you would have a hard time getting new pussy. I’m pretty sure the idea that you could not kill an adulterous wife would look ridiculous to you. The male of the human species is nothing if not adaptive. What at one time looks impossible, soon has the potential to become mandatory.
Over here in the provinces, our middle eastern neighbours occasionally perform honor killings on adulterous wives and slutty daughters.
I don’t agree with this brah.
Women are naturally whores. Marriage is an arrangement that makes a woman only one man’s whore. If the woman breaks the agreement, she dies.
Anything else is just phake and gayyyyyy.
In a real patriarchy, with current technology, we’d have legally mandated automatic paternity testing at birth. False paternity would be cause for divorce with no alimony and no support for the bastard, full custody of all legitimate children for the father. And no, you wouldn’t be allowed to opt out of testing, and wouldn’t be allowed to keep it private. Bastard could be offered to the real father, maybe to an orphanage, you might even very quietly bring back hospital exposure (supposedly US hospitals used to put deformed babies below open windows at night) if no one wanted it.
Admittedly all this is a coup-complete solution, but no less so than honor killing, and possibly easier to get to.
>women must come to fear men again
One pressing missing social technology today is not honor killing, but spanking. Don’t have to hit a woman in the face, or anywhere with a closed fist, just pick her up, carry her into the bedroom, spank her on the bottom. This alone, nothing else, would solve a lot of problems. Though not all, and some nuclear shit tests would progress beyond it.
Great thing about it though is, with discretion, you can start using it today. There’s some built in vagueness if anyone hears about it, and some built in tingles for the woman.
Whore shit tests are apt to go nuclear. In today’s society, no alternative but to pass them anyway.
When I was a teenager my father told me once about a friend of his suffered a home invasion by a pack of niggers(he described them blacks not niggers of course). His friend was forced to watch while they gang raped his wife. I asked my father did he kill the men who raped his wife? My father looked at me like I was alien and said good men don’t do that. I then asked were they still married? He said no she quickly divorced him. I remarked that he should have hunted them down and killed them if he wanted to stay married.
Men who fail in their duty are always weak. Claiming that a good man won’t do what’s necessary and right because it’s violent is a cope for weak men who who’s line will soon disappear from the earth.
[*Holding your comment till you pass the shill test on the woman question.*]
Jim, if you wouldn’t mind could you expand on these nomadic patriarchalists worshiping the one God (I assume you are talking about the Hebrews but correct me if not) and it potentially being the original Aryan religion?
It has been some time since I’ve read The Ancient City but I don’t recall where he speculates this. Though I have noted interesting, seemingly monotheistic ideas in various Aryan religions, and I’ve always found it suggestive that at least one of the original monotheisms sprang from an Aryan religion in Zoroastrianism.
Pardon my digression, but semi-relatedly I read recently that the roots of what became the the faith of Israel could possibly came from exiled Atenists and how the man who we know as Moses may have been an exiled prince/Atenist priest originally called Osarseph.
The Atenist heresy occurred in the 13th century BC, so this exile would be right around the time the Children of Israel would be on the move during/after the Bronze Age collapse. I am not sure if this has been discussed or rejected on the blog before, forgive me if it has.
If that was the case, why wouldn’t they just straight call their God Aten? It isn’t like the could piss the Egyptians off any more then they already did.
It’s more lily that Atenism was about trying to regain the fertility that Pharaoh saw in the Hebrews and other nomads who worshiped only one god. There’s always leaders who try to the stop the downward spiral of leftism. The rest of the crabs pull them down every time.
@Red
Atenism I think happened not long after the departure of the “Habiru” not long after the Hyksos was expelled.
That’s also the period when the 10 Gods of Egypt got utterly humiliated by the God of Israel. As God struck Egypt with 10 plagues each corresponding to each of the individual God’s domains.
This traumatic event led to Atenism I suspect.
Just curious. What’s your take on Haiti and why the French were successfully genocided out of existence there?
What could they have done to survive or prevent what happened?
If memory serves, the Haitian revolution was helped quite a bit by the distraction of the French Revolution and British meddling (as usual, eh?). Yellow fever also loosened the grip, so a bit of modern medicine would have helped. The final extermination was doggedly completed by a Julius Malema-like figure named Dessalines.
They were rather heavily outnumbered. Societies with too big a ratio of slaves to slaveholder are unstable, and there were too many mulatto slaves, who had the capacity to organize an army. Should have bought off the mulattos, so as to deprive the slaves of the capacity to organize. Needed more freemen, and more whites, to stabilize things.
If memory serves, the darker blacks subsequently genocided the mulattos too.
A few years ago, someone wrote slave owners didn’t break up family groups or discourage slaves speaking their own tongues. Ever hear that?
The first group of people that we know of to be “successfully genocided out of existence” there were the indigenous Arakwak. The French and their black slaves showed up later.
If we could go back in time and give the Frenchies a tip on how to survive, my suggestion would be: don’t have black slaves at all.
That is true. Unless they are going to do what the Romans did. Or how the Arabs dealt with slaves.
Then their survival is in great doubt.
Best to pick your own cotton and favor mechanization over cheap labor.
This guy has found some unusual opinions in Alexander Dugin, complete with links and screenshots:
https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1561333120443600899#m
“in his April 2020 article, Alexandr Dugin clearly wrote, that parts of the elite should be groomed with one purpose – to be killed (sacrificed) amid challenging times, so the society could magically buy back the lost support of the Gods. ”
https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1561334515490082817#m
“On his esotheric far-right esotericweb-page “Arctogaea” Alexandr Dugin literally had a huge article about the ancient mystical tradition to sacrifice children, including a case of a father sacrificing his daughter’s life”
https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1562037039314440192#m
“Aleksandr Dugin publishes a statement, literally saying Dugina was “put her girl virgin’s life onto the altar” ( literally “girl virgins’s”), and in his speech at her funeral calls “not to mourn but fight””
Can any of the native Russian speakers here check the sources and context? This is unthinkably weird to me.
Can’t speak for the first two links. I don’t know Russian. The third is highly suspect which naturally casts doubts on everything else he says.
Everyone else is translating Dugin’s statement as “We just need our win. My daughter has put her maiden life on the altar. So let’s win, buddy!“ That is not a crazy statement. It is not sexual perversion like some are portraying it to be. A simple cursury look at translations show he is widely wrong.
This guy is using the worst possible translations of highly selective quotes without any context. Really makes one wonder who this guy is…
“Berlin-based 🇩🇪 Eastern Europe expert. 10+ yrs of work in Ukraine, Russia, Belarus. Former Director @boell_stiftung Kyiv (UA+BY)office. Speak 🇩🇪🇺🇦🇧🇾🇷🇺”
Oh right… he’s another State Department backed propagandist.
“On his esotheric far-right esotericweb-page “Arctogaea†Alexandr Dugin literally had a huge article about the ancient mystical tradition to sacrifice children, including a case of a father sacrificing his daughter’s lifeâ€
Complete mischaracterization, likely deliberate. The article is about Old Testament Christian theology and what it means. Much is a rehash of Scripture with an overlay of historical analysis. As far as I can tell nothing in there is out of the ordinary for theology academia. It’s not even esoteric in so far that much is common knowledge to any practicing Christian.
Looking more into the guy’s tweets he says of Dugin that “He was a Death Eater.” It’s shit like this why I have continuously brought up Harry Potter on this site. The level of impact Harry Potter has had on the Western mindset and worldview of the cosmopolitan elite is at the level of the Bible.
“My present circumstances may suck, but this is solely due to my ignorant neighbor’s unjust venality against me, for i am in any case a born inherently elite destined one.”
Shit is 100 proof unleaded catnip for the invidious.
“born inherently elite destined one but still gaslighting as an everyman average dude with no particular skills”
The favorite of progressive upper middle class white kids pretending to care about social justice while wanting coal miners to die. Distilled 200 proof hypocrisy in 7 books.
And the bow to tie it all together, ‘group of openly elite elites to stand in as antagonists’, natch.
“That Draco certainly is a tosser eh? aren’t upper class people with notions like ‘people can be better or worse than other people’ just the worst? Not that I’m a commoner or anything though, i’m just special that way.”
Combine with ‘school as story frame’ narrative device – since noone born in the last 40 years can even imagine a world where people live lives that do not involve passing through [Central Digestion Institution], regardless of how anachronistic, implausible, or unfeasible it may be – and you’ve got an almost perfect pastiche of the archetypical traitorous bluetribespersyn’s weltanschauung.
Dug into more of Dugin’s writing.
“in his April 2020 article, Alexandr Dugin clearly wrote, that parts of the elite should be groomed with one purpose – to be killed (sacrificed) amid challenging times, so the society could magically buy back the lost support of the Gods. â€
Again a combination of gross mischaracterizations and deliberately bad translations. Dugin says of elites:
“Aristocratic warriors are a collective sacrifice on behalf of peaceful farmers. They spend their time in feasts and amusements in order to be slain on the altar of war.”
That is basically a colorful way of saying what every single military man knows. That he is doing a job where he may have to sacrifice his life for his nation. And saying that they spend their time in feasts and amusements* is a fairly polite description of peace time military.
*for Navy/USMC that hypothetically looks like alcoholism fueled SEA whoremongering at port as some Officers desperately hand out prophylactics to the enlisted before joining into the fray.
A soldier’s off-time is officially called “R&R” for “rest and recuperation”, but the enlisted men call it “I&I” for “intoxication and intercourse”.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/lifestyle/health/sonali-phogat-dies-of-heart-attack-experts-on-what-causes-sudden-cardiac-arrest-101661252058836.html
Feels pretty subversive for a broadly mainline publication to even report on and draw attention to the phenomenon, despite suggesting a number of obviously irrelevant causes. I assume the good doctor must know there has not been a drastic change in diet and exercise, and therefore that diet and exercise cannot be responsible for the drastic change in sudden cardiac death that he observes.
Is the good Dr. Ruchit Shah capable of a thought crime? I guess we will never know unless he is also capable of crime-speak. I am not optimistic, though. Reading the entire publication, there is not even the whiff of the word “vaccine”
It’s like a bloody Whodunit/unsolvable mystery as in how did the Easter Island giants get there?
Just observing that young people are randomly dropping like flies out of nowhere is a thought crime. The observation requires an explanation and there is only one viable explanation.
Going on to suggest almost farcical explanations like “proper diet” which he knows and the reader knows and he knows the reader knows is not something that dramatically changed, and even if it did dramatically change would require time to work is like performing a ritual sarcastically to mock it.
Someone convinced of the vaccine does not observe nor notice that young people are suddenly dropping dead like flies.
You overestimate the prole IQ. Suppose a “respectable” media publication like the NYT (or TOI or Hindu) piously informs us that the reason so many young people are dropping like flies is Global warming, proles will believe it and will piously inform you that the science is settled on the matter and what are you, one of those science denying hicks from the cow belt, ha ha ha?
There is only one viable explanation for rational people. Proles, like Surds (as an old joke goes), are not rational. They follow the science TM.
Maybe a higher grade of prole attends the parties that I attend. Everyone can smell that something is rotten, even if they have trouble putting it into words.
You’re an Indian, its midwits who follow the narrative. The average/low IQ prole types don’t know what the narrative is and don’t care.
I would be shocked and astounded if the NYT has ever reported that there is a pandemic of sudden cardiac death among healthy, young people.
There is somewhat more reporting of related trends in Britain, but they never just say healthy young people are dropping like flies randomly and in their sleep. They just purr about ambulance wait times and show confusing graphs that do not obviously suggest anything weird is up.
No one believes that global warming amped up so suddenly as to cause a pandemic of of sudden cardiac arrest in the young. You do see dumb articles that global warming is causing heart attacks, but those articles don’t actually ever share or highlight the pandemic of sudden death. Thus sharing a reason everyone knows everyone knows is dumb is a wink and a nod.
Here you have a New Zealand news piece on “why is everyone sick?”. Play the video from 0:10 to 0:18 and watch the woman on the right with a huge grin on her face while the newscaster says that everyone is sick (that’s bad news right?).
I’m not the best at reading people but I’d say she’s laughing inside because she knows why everyone is sick, and she knows all the newscasters around her are lying. I find it hard to believe she just has a case of the giggles on camera for no reason, but maybe I’m wrong.
It reminds me of those videos of women explaining how they are oppressed with a massive grin on their faces. They know what’s up.
Maybe they’re always smiling in the news in NZ, but I would think the newscaster’s smiles suggest they also know what’s up.
The same happened with Nancy Pelosi’s reaction to troops “breathing in toxic smoke from burn pits” during biden speech.
My guess the demon in them are excited by the suffering.
As cowardly and foolish as the article is, this is the first step on the path of fully revealing what happened. It will not progress until some Elite faction decides it can capitalize on the revelation, and they will build a coalition of allies to do so. The question is, which Elites can honestly say they weren’t complicit, and which Elite faction can convince allies and subordinates they can win.
“which Elites can honestly say they weren’t complicit”
I guess, from an investing point of view, Steve Kirsch’s blogging effort is a long term hedge against the possibility of catastrophic, sudden, and comprehensive loss of status by Western economic elites on account of having pushed the vaccine.
Jim, what are your recommendations for computer security, specifically from your perspective on what is backdoored or cracked? For example, nobody respectable, not even the hacker community, will even entertain the idea that certain cryptographic libraries are compromised, or that the NSA has backdoored certain VPN protocols.
Say, purely theoretically, a friend needed to conduct online activity with the absolute maximum of infosec; assuming that the NSA was actually trying to get him, what would he need in order to move data over the network securely? Seems to me like the only people who get away with it are in countries which laugh at US warrants.
I recently got a new laptop (Windows). The user agreement states, summarizing, “We potentially observe and record everything you do on this computer.” I would not be surprised to learn that every popular (Microsoft, Apple) computer has a keystroke logger pre-installed at the factory.
I’m not a computer guy but a few years ago I was able to, by simply following online instructions, blast Windows off a desktop that I had and install Linux. I ultimately had to abandon that because it wasn’t compatible with software I need for work, but the point is, it’s not difficult. However, anyone doing this should look up the date at which Linux’s inventor got canceled from his own project, and use a version of Linux from before that. After the SJWs took over, who knows what crap they put into the next version.
Yes, Microsoft and Apple are logging everything- mostly to sell you stuff, until the feds come knocking with a warrant. A bare metal install of Linux won’t do much good if, as Jim says, your chips are backdoored, or if the compiler is backdoored to put extra code in the OS. One can audit open source software, but I doubt very much that anybody bothers to decompile the compiled machine code and check it for sneaky shit. If you become a target, they will get to you; my question is on how to avoid becoming a target.
McAfee was good enough at what he did to avoid being gotten into, so they went and brute forced his body instead of his login. Need to be invisible, not impenetrable.
“A bare metal install of Linux won’t do much good if, as Jim says, your chips are backdoored, or if the compiler is backdoored to put extra code in the OS.”
Fuck, it’s like you have to build your own freakin computer from copper wire you buy at the freakin hardware store.
The best that can be done is linux and wireguard. Seems to be sufficient. Backdooring an open source compiler would likely be caught.
The NSA has been caught rather too many times, and is now either reluctant to do things likely to be detected, or has lost the necessary competence to do them. Shaniqua in charge.
I favor the latest releases, despite the convergence of linux, because I smell a major decline in NSA capability.
“I favor the latest releases, despite the convergence of linux, because I smell a major decline in NSA capability.”
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That statement is shocking to me. But you know approximately infinitely more about this stuff than I do.
Is it? Ever since Snowden everyone knows and assumes the government is watching. I don’t think they are bothering hiding it too much, and there are many eyes trying to find stuff like a compiler backdoor.
After all 99% of people are very low hanging fruit in terms of surveillance. And what good is collecting that much data anyhow.
I think targeted surveillance might be a bigger problem. But they aren’t targeting me. So whatever.
“But they aren’t targeting me.”
Not like they would tell you if they were!
Yes, wireguard, but with which VPN provider? I do not trust them an inch. If they are not getting taken down, that is because compromised and leaking like a sieve. The revelation that Protonmail was compromised shook my faith in all of them. Could sign up for a VPN in an adversarial nation, but then my ISP knows that I am sending a lot of data, albeit encrypted, to an adversarial nation.
I still cannot get around the security problem that is having home internet, a router and modem owned by a US company that will know that I am sending packets to a VPN server, and has the (albeit encrypted) packets. Of course, any truly sensitive activities should be conducted over a public network, on a device that has a mac address which cannot be connected to you through any investigative means, but this does not work if I need to host a blog, for example, or for “daily†activities like posting here, which may in the future become evidence that gets a man sent to a gulag.
Yes, wireguard, but with which VPN provider? I do not trust them an inch.
Neither do I. Although the fact that Mullvad accepts cash in the mail is a point in their favor.
A better solution, and the one I adopted, is to rent a virtual private server (you can pay with a gift card purchased with cash) and install your own Wireguard VPN server. That could be kind of a pain, but there’s a script that makes it easy.
That said, I partially disagree with Jim’s statement that it “seems to be sufficient.” Sufficient only to make you a high hanging fruit. But if they really want to read what’s on your screen, they will send a magic packet to the Intel Management Engine on your PC that will give them ring -2 rootkit-type access. At that point, even if your hard drive is encrypted, they can read right from your screen buffer.
For private communication, what we really need is an air-gapped device. Encrypted messages are displayed as a QR code, or something, on the screen of a phone. The air-gapped device scans the QR code, decrypts and displays the plaintext. Replies are encrypted on the air-gapped device, displayed as a QR code, and scanned by the internet-connected phone which sends it to the recipient. The AirGap Vault does this for cryptocurrency. We need an equivalent app for messaging.
Run you own vpns in the cloud, and control your browser cookies.
One, I am not running Intel.
Two, those magic packets will not get to my computer.
Three, the NSA is economical with active attacks because they leak information about the attacker.
🤯
That is the council of despair.
Since their security apparatus leaks like a broken seive, if they had that level of intrusion, people would be losing their crypto wallets.
The “cloud†(cloud means it is a vm on a server in a data center somewhere) VPN stores your ip address with the wireguard protocol- inherent in the wireguard protocol. So, now your internet traffic originates from a single point with a single ip address, which you might be paying for in cash, but which has your IP address and a private key that can decrypt that data coming from your client IP. And anybody with state backing can tell that data center “let me inâ€.
The primary benefit of a multiuser VPN server is not the encryption of traffic but that it serves as a mixer for IP addresses. Many in, and one out, and if the server keeps no logs, cannot link IP in with any specific packets out unless actively monitoring the connection.
A lot of Tor users get rolled up by the feds, but as far as I can tell, they get them through phishing and entryism, convincing them to install spyware. But, Tor makes you a very tasty looking fruit, no matter how high you are hanging. Best bet is probably to try and keep as low an attack surface as possible, keep your data file as small as possible. What Jim recommends goes a very long way, but it is far from impenetrable. The only way to be truly safe is to be somewhere that laughs at a US warrant.
One, I am not running Intel.
ARM has its TrustZone and AMD has its Platform Security Processor. Chinese made RISC-V processors are interesting.
Two, those magic packets will not get to my computer.
I wish I had your level of confidence in that. I would expect those packets not to come at the IP layer, but as Ethernet frames from my cable modem.
Three, the NSA is economical with active attacks because they leak information about the attacker.
Yes. But if one is an Assange-level threat, economy goes out the window.
The Intel Management Engine can be disabled by the user. It appears it was considered a too big security hole by various companies. Haven’t tried doing it myself, but see e.g. this:
https://hothardware.com/news/researchers-figured-out-how-to-turn-off-intel-management-engine-11-thanks-to-nsa
They’re all bad, but Google is the worst. Here’s a thread on an unfortunate soul who structured his like around Google and was burned. De-Googlefy yourself!!! Note, I’m not endorsing Cory Doctorow. He’s just a messenger.
https://twitter.com/doctorow/status/1561729808517763074
The good news is that the flood of low hanging fruit drowns out their capacity to go after the high hanging fruit.
“Need to be invisible, not impenetrable.”
A few years ago you said – being as vague as I can here – that after a prominent forum mentioned you, you noticed indications that the Eye of Sauron had turned toward you. Maybe you don’t need the reminder, but I have to scratch the itch of mentioning this.
Tails is a linux distro that can be put onto a usb and run from there. If you need to something that will protect your privacy, that allows for the easy destruction of evidence, and you are not a computer expert, it’s an easy off the shelf solution. Just don’t use any login credentials that can be traced back to you.
Also: Has Eric Raymond ever weighed in on this topic? As a key figure in the open source movement, and an old-school libertarian, he presumably has the knowledge and motivation to have some good thoughts on evading the spooks.
Eric Raymond banned me for crimethought.
Ugh. More proof that libertarianism just doesn’t have what it takes.
Libertarianism, being an individualist philosophy, is helpless to deal with collective violence, other than merely deploring it.
So, when faced with movements based on the collective and coordinated application of envy and spite to knock over applecarts and grab those apples rolling around, bends over.
The best chance they would have, ditto the ‘colorblind’ types would be the vicious enforcement of a Schelling point against any such collective organization. The ‘colorblinds’ were never willing to go there, which is the only possible way they conceivably could have ‘won’. Such a Schelling point would be basically saying, if you do this (collectively organize on this basis), we wall ALL be your enemies permanently and will punish you vigorously. If you repent, we’ll forgive you, but not until any advantage you gained by said organization has been forfeited at least sevenfold. But that would involve ‘looking mean’, so nobody ever seriously tried it, except of course against white people organizing defensively as white people.
ESR did not get his money in order and become vulnerable.
If anybody has real money please give ESR $2 million and he might become interesting again. Good RoI.
Debian, wireguard, and do not run Gnome3 or anything derived from it.
Sometimes, often, you need to run Windows software. Best run it on Oracle VM VirtualBox. You need to run the virtual box on a good solid state drive.
And when you run windows, if you can figure out which servers your data is being sent to, should edit the hosts file to blackhole the connection. Works for any app collecting info on you.
Very good point that I neglected.
My hosts file is an immense pile of black holes. It is very long, albeit most of those on the list are probably long obsolete, and from time to time I catch a new and important one of which I was unaware.
127.0.0.1 google.com
127.0.0.1 google.co.id
127.0.0.1   www.google-analytics.com
127.0.0.1 google-analytics.com
127.0.0.1 googlesyndication.com
127.0.0.1 googleadservices.com
127.0.0.1 securepubads.g.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 googleads.g.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 bid.g.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 g.doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 doubleclick.net
127.0.0.1 analytics.twitter.com
127.0.0.1 cohesion.apps.com
127.0.0.1 connectad.io
127.0.0.1 behave.com
127.0.0.1 ssp.behave.com
127.0.0.1 ocf.io
127.0.0.1 cpx.to
127.0.0.1 dnacdn.net
127.0.0.1 socdm.com
127.0.0.1 servenobid.com
127.0.0.1 tynt.com
also, any service that you use to check IP or open ports, block all cookies on both debian and windows.
Also,thoughtcrime sites you regularly visit that have stable ips should have those ips listed in your host file, to avoid them being looked up on a possibly hostile server.
Blacklists are reactive; whitelists are proactive.
The basis of any good security paradigm is default deny; unfortunately, no popular OS has a good security paradigm.
Thoughts on Qubes or any other not-so-popular OS?
A good linux distro can be made good. Simply not using Windows or Apple already puts you bigly ahead of the race.
I investigated Qubes some time ago. Good stuff, but it pre-emptively enforces its ideas of security upon you, in particular unlimited trust in the Tor network, in which I have grave lack of trust.
But the way to use Qubes is as a security layer VM inside the Virtual Box VM. Cannot hurt.
Qubes is supposed to be the bare metal os hosting your vm boxes. What do suggest running after you boot the bios? Some inconsequential linux flavor? A specifc flavor? Something I haven’t heard of?
How bad is Gnome3?
An excerpt:
“Earlier this year, in my longer pieces, I warned that the non-linear dynamics and the trends back then would create a massive famine problem in MENA (Middle East Northern Africa), and this point was later confirmed by UN analysis, data, and soon after even head of states such as Macron was warning of this concerning trend. Now they expect at least 20 million migrants in the next months alone because of disastrous policies, damage from lockdowns, and the global energy woes.
Under normal circumstances, Europe would barely be able to deal with, accommodate, and afford 5 million migrants, but under the current systemic pressure, Europe would not be able to deal with 5, let alone 20 million starving migrants. But 20 million is a fairly conservative estimation, the number could be as high as 50 million. Europe could fall into complete chaos, or become a hostage of bordering countries with MENA, as they will too face resource scarcity, and demand astronomical payments in many forms over not letting the hordes get into Europe. This will become a global political issue, and it is a continental threat, given the current virological circumstances…”
Here’s the source:
https://hiddencomplexity.substack.com/p/the-coming-chaos
And part 02:
https://hiddencomplexity.substack.com/p/coming-chaos-part-ii
“…demand astronomical payments in many forms over not letting the hordes get into Europe.”
We’re starving, you’re starving, and you’re threatening to send us meat? What’s the catch?
Off topic effort posting incoming, lads…
Starman and I had a discussion a while back that devolved into a “discussion with blades” as it were. But the original topic was interesting and I started writing a comment about the topic. Then Poochgate happened and life rolled on. I continued to add to it, based on IRL discussions and geopolitical events. The original comment was written before the Dugin Incident and some other things that the comment regards, so there are some proofs as well as refutations already out there. I think the topic is still worthy of discussion, even if my offering is not so worthy.
ORIGINAL COMMENT:
This is what I think the domestic anti-terror operations are going to look like. I think there will be a massive industry of data monitoring wherein fairly well paid contractors will deploy much the same operations as the professional contact tracing carried out 2020 during the height of Coronahoax. This means private investigators and data analysts using paywalled databases as well as Open Source Intelligence material (OSINT). Files will be constructed from this massive body of information, and an investigator will be assigned to a case or set of cases. They will closely monitor their cases, and when enough boxes are checked, or enough red flags are decided, the case will be escalated into surveillance. Typical surveillance operations require known meetings, or high potentiality of an activity occurring, or regularized transit between known locations, or all three. Oftentimes, an investigator will run surveillance for a predetermined amount of time based on budget. I think this will be digital as well as in real life. Once the body of evidence reaches a certain size, or it fits within a “known profile”, it will be handed off to some sort of “governing body.” This board or committee or office or desk will sort the cases into various piles. The different piles will be tiered, ranging from at the door interview to request for interview to aggressive door interview to aggressive request for interview to soft apprehension to hard apprehension to Waco (there will be a spectrum here, obviously). Once the case is apprehended, it will be “pregamed” then handed off to the “proper” Law Enforcement Organization. It will very quickly be memed into the public that any case that makes it to this stage is *obviously guilty*, and this will be propagated by Journalistic Phrasing initially, then Common Knowledge reification generally. There will be “rehab programs” as well as “work from home camps.” This is how they will go after low level targets.
High level and hard targets will be surveilled and actively tracked. At first, the chain of escalation for serving warrants will be followed, as in it will be a police matter until it isn’t. Once the attrition gets to a certain point in the low target operation, this will be dispensed with and it will become an anti-terror campaign just like in Afghanistan and Iraq and Africa, as well as how it was in Europe and South America during the Global War on Terror (GWoT). They will set up the same structure based on the “last war you fought” framework. It will take time to scale it up, but not much. Raids at the top, interviews/apprehension at the bottom.
I think it will be costly and sloppy. I think the state of US policing and street crime will seriously degrade their operations, and I think cooperation, on both the fed and local side, will be varied and inconsistent. Some, maybe most, Poloce Departments (PDs) will just obey, most Sheriff’s Departments (SDs) will obey with exceptions and caveats, a few PDs will collapse and be replaced by Public-Private (P-P) enterprises, and a few SDs might “go rogue.” The feds will need to establish an organization to bridge that gap, and it will be a new TSA type organization. They’ll probably also have a P-P shape, with lots of contractors and civil overseers.
I think their big brains will attempt a perfected Global War on Terror II: Slow Boil GlübagÅ«. They will swamp targets, aggressively use constant Information Surveillance Reconnaissance (ISR) systems over heavily populated regions, set up green zones in friendly cities, build or establish bases, cultivate a network of Forward Operating Bases (FOBs), build tactical and strategic walls (literally, figuratively, digitally, and spiritually), and dictate “hunting zones” for Special Operations Forces (SOF) that both apprehend and eliminate cases.
The big question is what will people do? If they stay on course, as in respond in an obedient way after being scared badly enough, it will be entirely dependant on the meme war. Brace yourselves for “Gov Pilled” or some similarly cringe propaganda campaign. They will probably use the very people they capture as conscripts in the Meme War, relieving punishments and reducing fines or probation, to generate memetic products. I can’t see them allowing even the hollow version of the free internet we have now, so I assume they will do what they did in Iraq, which is tight control of official outlets and delivery systems (television, radio, internet) and mass jamming to waylay any independent sources, with that jamming being content generation as well as overwhelming any signal with static, or static images/messages. So the Signal will be pure government noise. Any dissenters will be silenced. But there is a lot of electrical equipment laying around, and far more talent to use it (as compared with the Middle East) so it will be very sloppy and heavy handed, particularly for signals that originate in a hunting zone.
As dumb as this is, I think it’ll at least be the starting point. If the normie is sufficiently scared, he complies. I think this will be a numbers game all the way down. They will be seeking a slow boil and a quick win. They need the boil to get the win, so their strategic memeplex will be something like “nothing is happening” immediately followed by “it’s already done”.
Who opposes this, how they oppose it, and what opportunities that may arise from opposition are all interesting topics. I predict a general withdrawal from Approved Media, and a campaign by the Federal Establishment that villifies said withdrawal. Control of media and reporting will be paramount for all factions.
This is all strategic forecasting from one man through his framework and interpretation. It could be way off, in fact I kind of hope it is, and we have a velvet restoration.
For anyone that wants to blanket disagree and not engage the finer points, here’s the thesis statement:
I think the Cathedral will prosecute the suppression of dissent in the continental US in much the same way they ran the Global War on Terror *after* the surge in 2007.
END OF OG COMMENT
To elaborate further, I think the feds will attempt to apply the same methods and tools as they did with the Sunni Militias in Iraq in regards to gangs, cartels, and organized criminal enterprises. This means they will pay them off to stay out of the fight. In some cases, they will even incorporate them as enforcers, kill teams, etc. This is obviously a bad idea, as it gave rise to ISIS and Nusra.
I think, as fed mismanagement continues, it is quite possible that there will be foreign peacekeepers brought to the continental United States (CONUS), though this would be very tricky and only possible after a protracted conflict and a full breakdown of American Identity.
I think low yield nuclear options will be considered at many, maybe all, stages of this conflict.
I think it will be generally a Boomers & Zoomers v. GenX & Millennials in terms of the sides, though obviously this dichotomy won’t be perfectly uniform.
Way outside the bounds of reasonable conjecture, I reiterate a silly post from March: Might the Cathedral be preparing for a global cataclysm? As in, they are somehow aware of a coming and unavoidable cataclysm, and the last 3 years has been them trying their level best to prepare? This is highly unlikely, but is a great pot head conversation topic.
The Feds attempt Wacos today is likely to end with a bunch of Feds piled up on the road given the sort of people I see involved in the raids these days. They’ve avoided such raids so far I think out of that fear since federal forces are not that large. That may change with the IRS units they’re putting together. Overwhelming force will the name of the game.
So you’re correct in your assessment of what they’re planning. However, they’re target selection is going to be predicated not on who’s dangerous to the government, because lone dissidents never are dangerous to the government. Rather they’re going to go after people who’s assets they can steal the easiest. These will be looting expeditions, not targeted killings to protect the state. We’re in the end stage of a Republic where everything not nailed down and a lot of things that are nailed down are going to be stolen by the elites and their lackeys.
Betting on enforcement being disorderly, ineffective, and promoting cynicism about the official narrative.
Our job is winning the meme war, which we are in fact doing, despite the thunderous and overwhelming noise coming from all official loudspeakers everywhere.
Meme warfare has always been crucial to physical warfare. In the information epoch, even more crucial.
When hot warfare starts up, the outcome is unpredictable, but winning the meme war might well produce victory, and if the outcome is defeat, a considerably less serious defeat, a Cromwell or Napoleon, rather than a Stalin. Cromwell was not such a bad outcome at all, arguably a pretty good outcome. But I smell the possibility of outright victory, though I have a past history (Trump) of smelling it when it is not there.
Waco itself began with a bunch of dead Feds. They got shot to pieces and begged for a truce, which the Davidians were foolish enough to give them. Obviously, nobody can be allowed to beat the Feds in a fight, so they just kept escalating and burned all those nasty child-molesting meth-cooking gun-running lunatics (citation needed), including the kids, then posed on the ashes and “lost” all the evidence. Once they start shooting, they have to win, win big, and win brutally, and they will do whatever it takes.
>Rather they’re going to go after people who’s assets they can steal the easiest. These will be looting expeditions
I don’t think it will get so crude for quite a while. As long as you can still buy things with Fedbucks, there’s no need for anything so piratical. What the system wants is propaganda victories, what the apparatchiks want is career advancement, and what the enforcers want is a chance to play badass. The ideal target should be easy to portray as scary and evil, but at the same time be an easy win. These are not going to be the same people who are actual threats to the system’s power and legitimacy.
The localized nature of county and state police departments represent potential stumbling blocks for supremes of demonic faithful in the imperial center in plans to grind the native cattle down to slime; hence, ‘defund the police’, one of many permitted risks which, besides unholiness signaling, also coincidentally clears the way for centralized glownigger replacements for administering misjustice.
Consider the ’87k’ new ‘IRS auditors’ being drummed up. Eighty-seven thousand is a frankly ridiculous number. To put this in perspective, the largest ‘federal level’ law enforcement organization in terms of field agents is in fact the national park service, and their official rosters number a grand total of… 1,986 badge holders.
Nearly one hundred thousand men. That’s not ‘routine hiring’, that’s a ruling faction in the Polygon raising a personal army under a tenuous veneer of deniability, with ‘just a few paper pushers for the IRS’ being the story to float it over the heads of their targets, where a recruitment spree for ATF or FBI would be too on the nose.
>Consider the ’87k’ new ‘IRS auditors’
>That’s not ‘routine hiring’, that’s a ruling faction in the Polygon raising a personal army
100% this. Someone somewhere is planning for, at the very least contingency planning for, door raids and camps. “Let a thousand Wacos bloom.” Whether they dare to pull the trigger, whether they win whatever internal tug of war would allow them to try, whether anything goes the way they expect if they do pull the trigger (probably not), none of those change that someone is thinking of it and laying the groundwork.
That should probably be a new target of meming, that they’re not taxmen they’re future door-kickers. Getting the idea out now might be the best way of keeping it from coming true.
Post the video of them training IRS CID agents, and them meme them as regime enforcers. They hate to be ridiculed, but they are too ridiculous not to.
Kunning:
“I think low yield nuclear options will be considered at many, maybe all, stages of this conflict.â€
I still can’t see this being a net benefit to the other side. The concentrated populations are all leftist (cities are all blue). Nuking a town in Nebraska isn’t going to do them any good, and nuking a city would just be a massive own-goal.
I suppose they might try to nuke a blue city as a propaganda move, as has been mentioned here before, but I can’t see how that would help them more than it would hurt them.
Red:
“The Feds attempt Wacos today is likely to end with a bunch of Feds piled up on the road given the sort of people I see involved in the raids these days.â€
I’m more worried about drones.
There are plenty of red towns and small cities to target that would have all the benefits of riling Amerikaners without sacrificing precious negros, single moms, or trannies.
It is very hard to know exactly what move the enemy will make in the future. Conduct your daily reconnaissance and act accordingly. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1562254552098869249?cxt=HHwWgsC4qZ2Pn64rAAAA
Sounds like the end game in the Ukraine is approaching. If we’re pulling gear from active SF units in the US then the Ukrainians have to be close to collapse.
The underlying strategy for the forever war in the Ukraine is that attrition would exhaust the war making capability of the Russian economy, while the West’s vast GDP would guarantee the capability to carry on attritive warfare forever.
It looks like GDP numbers are wildly and radically false.
I know that Chinese GDP is substantially larger than US GDP, no matter what the numbers say. Russian GDP, I do not know, but the Russian capability to keep on shelling the Ukrainians, when the Ukrainians are having problems rounding up enough shells and artillery, is suggestive.
If the US army is being hallowed out then the rest of NATO is must be empty. Russia’s probably going to roll over the rest of the Ukraine within a month or two. If anyone besides Putin was in charge of Russia I’d expect the Russian army to just keep going into now the defenseless NATO countries.
I believe that’s called “drinking your own coolaid”. Irrational confidence isn’t a useful behavior in economics.
Seems more like a bust out of the US. With the weekly $billion aid packages, draining our strategic oil reserves, shutting down pipeline projects, and now eliminating from domestic stock of popular man portable special forces weapons. It seems obvious the target is not really Ukraine.
Ukraine both is and is not the target; Amerikaners both are and are not the target.
The thing to understand is that our crop of presently regnant kakistocrats are capriciously opportunistic about their antipathy; they want to crush neighbors at home, and crush collaborators in the office, and crush cousins abroad, and if in the course of taking action to crush one target, there is a choice between means that cause pain to the other targets, and ones that don’t, they will chose the ones that do.
The idea of rationally restraining your antipathy to one such target, on account of another such target being a necessary foundation for your efforts against the one in the first place, has a fundamental incommensurateness with the mode of being that tends towards such behavior in the first place. When encountering targets that prove too difficult to easily crush underheel, more and more do they turn to more convenient targets; chiefly, those in their immediate vicinity.
Is the target China, or the domestic tech industry? Nvidia stock dropped 13+ points today.
https://www.wnd.com/2022/09/u-s-chipmaker-ordered-halt-semiconductor-sales-china/
The answer is always going to be “is and is not the target.” It doesn’t matter how you formulate it. It is a confederation of overpowered, under-capable managerial operators. They are very aware of how undeserving they are, while completely oblivious to the fact that everyone inherently knows this, so they bend over backwards to appear competent and capable, while continuously demonstrating their incompetence and incapacity. Therefore, everyone and everything is very likely a threat at some point.
Imagine a heavily armed schizophrenic person trapped in an elevator with a bunch of vaguely familiar strangers.
GDP in itself a questionable statistic, a measure of how much money there is (government determined) and how fast it flows (proportional to economic activity, but not necessarily economic outcome) with a government arbitrary correction for economic growth.
The most fundamental limit on “real” production is energy, and the most fundamental form of energy today is electricity. The ranking of countries by electricity production has some similarity to the GDP rankings, but also important differences:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_production
By this measure China is two USAs; Russia is a quarter of a USA or a single Japan; Germany, France half a Russia; UK third of a Russia.
That sounds more like it.
The economy is very shaped by investment in infrastructure, electricity in Russia which is rich in liquid hydrocarbons would be good but not as good for Japan/china. The negro problem increases our liquid fuel dependency massively, no good urban infrastructure density or any electric trains because our government sucks. Will be interesting to see politics change as nuclear proliferation allows small countries without hydrocarbons to become more independent in manufacturing from oil states. It would be great to see a stat on how many tons of vehicle is required to move so many people and how much energy is used, I bet Japan would dominate and china as well, that seems like a useful judge of transport infrastructure technological development. Nordic countries could kick butt if they had more nuclear electricity to reduce train costs from grade inefficiency and their full of resources but largely just high tech manufacturing with German and some domestic materials from my experience. What is Russia’s problem with getting shit done? They punch way light, americans would have conquered Siberia by now but Russian business is crude as hell
Here’s an interesting piece from Tree of Woe:
https://treeofwoe.substack.com/p/world-war-next
Excerpt:
“Today, Russia spends 4.1% of its GDP on its military; America spends 3.5%; and China spends 2.1%. (Saudi Arabia, at 10.4%, and Israel at 5.2% are the two biggest spenders by ratio.) They are essentially on pre-war footing, demobilized.
To what extent could today’s superpowers match the mobilization of the WWII-era US and USSR?
According to the Center for Economic Policy Research (CEPR), about one-third of military spending is on personnel. The remainder is on equipment and operations, both of which are highly demanding on the economy’s manufacturing and energy sectors. At the outbreak of World War II, manufacturing and energy accounted for approximately 30% of the American GDP. From that basis, America spent 40% of its GDP on war. As a first approximation, therefore, the maximum extent to which an economy can be mobilized for defense spending might be 133% of its manufacturing and energy GDP.
At present, manufacturing and energy make up 41% of China’s GDP, 30% of Russia’s GDP, and 20% of America’s GDP. Therefore, the maximum mobilization we would expect their economy to achieve would be 54% for China, 40% for Russia, and 27% for America.
Wait, you ask — Why can’t we just “build more factories?†Because it’s very difficult to rapidly grow manufacturing. The fastest large-scale improvement I have found in looking at data is a 3% increase in the share of manufacturing per year for a major economy. Achieving this during wartime, when manpower is diverted into uniform and infrastructure is under attack seems unlikely. A nation can rapidly convert its peacetime manufacturing to wartime manufacturing, but it cannot rapidly build manufacturing capability where none existed. I assume that maximum mobilization might increase by at most 1% per year from their present level.
Even when taking advantage of pre-existing industrial infrastructure, mobilization is never instantaneous. In its best year, the US was able to mobilize from 10% to 35% (1941 to 1942), and the USSR was able to mobilize from 20% to 55% (1942 to 1943). That suggests the absolute best possible mobilization is a 3.5 increase annually. It’s not clear to me that any of today’s great powers could match those, due to the vastly increased complexity and fragility of our supply chains. Therefore I assume that actual mobilization can at most double yearly, until the maximum mobilization is reached.”
‘Lack of funding’ is the perennial pretext for lack of success in any bureaucratic venture. Pick any pseudopod of USG one likes; NASA, DoD, IC, EBT, you name it, you see a problem, and you hear the readily convenient solution, ‘we just need more funding’.
But in reality, it is like paying a quadriplegic 10,000,000 dineros to clear ten inches on a high up; it doesn’t matter how much paper you throw in the pit, because it simply doesn’t have the capability in the first place.
You have earned a second nickname:
Circumdatos Articulis
Senate Lunch system main engines, Nasa space suit.
Nasa abandoned its space suit, and asked for contracts from the “private” sector. SpaceX did not even apply, just went ahead and created its own space suit, knowing that the “private” sector was only marginally more capable than Nasa itself.
They knew that revolving regulatory door would demand a stupid space suit, because that is all that the “Private” sector could produce, so they will be spacewalking private astronauts on a private mission in their own space suits, until such time as Nasa incapacity becomes critical, and it breaks down and allows astronauts to wear space suits that are actually private. But the military, which contains a sane faction that wants space, is not pushing for space suits, because not interested in colonizing Mars. It is interested in spy satellites, communications, and the capacity to drop unpleasant things on the heads of enemies.
So Musk, to the outrage of the Cathedral, can get NASA and military contracts to launch rockets, but cannot get a Nasa contract for space suits.
Excellent point. Italy use do this to measure economic growth because everyone hid their economic gains from the government. So they’d measure how much the demand for electricity went up year over year in a given area.
One is reminded in a way of Operation Barbarossa which hinged on destroying 300 Soviet divisions and then being home free. Instead, another 300 divisions appeared. But that was the USSR, not a rump RF.
Pre-war Ukraine was 40+ million, Russia is 140+ million. Only three times more people. Russia’s habitable area is basically half a Ukraine of warm land and a couple of Germanies of German/Scandinavian climate, and the rest is taiga, tundra, and permafrost.
https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/sevastian_mos/84967891/1881388/1881388_original.jpg
(Hence the loss of the Ukraine and Belarus in 1991 was super hard-hitting in the pleasant land department, they lost like half their normal square miles. Plus half the industry and the first echelon army designed to meet NATO head on)
Dutch guy in the arms industry there said back in March they kept waiting for Russia to run out of precision missiles, and that kept not happening and again not happening beyond any reasonable or simply sane timeline, and now the not running out of missiles and shells is in the realm of the completely phantasmagorical.
Keeping in mind how modern Russia is simply three Ukraines in the population and habitable land sense, I too have no good explanation for this. If instead of being equal to, or three times stronger than the Ukraine army, the Russian war effort appears to be a machine for the methodical grinding up of the hardware of collective NATO, without even mobilizing its population or economy (for now), then this implies levels of hidden efficiency and long-term planning which simply goes against my experience to do with anything Russia or the whole post-Soviet space.
It would appear that we have all been lead down a “primrose path” in terms of RF capacity and capability. I have gained massive respect for Sergey Lavrov throughout this whole fracas, it would appear that he is one of the few extant “statesmen” actually alive and active. I think Viktor Orban is also far more substantial in both capacity and insight than many think. War has a way of culling hollow people, hollow ideas, and hollow ideologies. We are watching, in real time, the collapse of the GAE leadership elite, the assumed concepts of war and finance, and the ideology of the Liberal World Order.
I said it back in March or April, and I repeat it again to further plant my feet on dangerous ground (in terms of strategic forecasting): Putin’s Regime is not desperately grasping at straws, they are desperately trying to break away from Occidental reliance and knocking over dominos in a long term plan to collapse the GAE from within.
The Orthodox US retiree (and recent widower, poor devil) keeps up the occasional report on life in a small Russian town in the Scandinavian area of the normal climate territory.
https://halfreeman.wordpress.com/2022/07/26/our-trip-to-tula-summer-2022/
I was impressed by this:
> As I indicated in an earlier blog the people here getting hurt the worst are us ex-pats. Transferring money remains a big problem since Russia was removed from SWIFT. As I indicated before I have been saving up money because President Putin warned this could happen.
Apparently a) this guy is diligently keeping up with the local news and b) if I understand correctly at some point Putin warned people connected to the west to prepare financially because shit could hit the fan soon.
Consider the lack of efficiency in NATO
Looks like Russia has World War II war machine, and Global American Empire is discovering that it does not.
Industrial capacity for ship building alone is kind of mind blowing. With China at almost 50% of the world share and EU plus US combining for little more than 1%.
The spectacle of a scruffy gnome in a tee-shirt presiding over a ‘national flag raising ceremony’ while surrounded by large smartly dressed military men pivoting around the walking eyesore, is a perfect expression of what the clownworld has come too.
Holy shit, you’re not kidding:
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-society/3556165-president-zelensky-attends-ceremony-of-raising-national-flag-of-ukraine.html
He is a scruffy gnome.
And it’s not just there either.
He and or his handlers in the US state department have apparently decided that looking like an undressed pedestrian who wandered in off the street while holding forth on matters of ostensible geopolitical significance is some kind of compelling symbol for the ages.
It is at that; but of course not in the way they are dreaming of.
Every time you see the physical avatar of a bum functioning in events over ‘serious’ heads of state from around the GAE, one can not but think: ‘look this fool; this is the world you live in now’.
They are just not very good at meme warfare. Ooda loop broken, not very bright. All they have is the loudspeaker, and all they hear is themselves.
As for physical war – well, we shall see what happens in the Ukraine. No significant movement for quite a while, but the Russians keep advancing very slowly, which may well foreshadow them moving considerably faster.
The Global American Imperial plan for winning in the end was forever war, that they would stabilize the situation until war exhausted Russia, that Russia would run out of shells and artillery before the west did. Or run out of troops before Ukraine did. Well, they successfully stabilized the situation, but that plan is starting to look less promising.
The Saker blog has a new article by one Emmet Sweeney that is pretty good summary of GAE/Russian relations since the end of the Cold war.
https://thesaker.is/the-conflict-between-the-west-and-russia-is-a-religious-one/
blocks tor, dont trust
Jim, not that i am necessarily doubting your take on Pauline Christianity
but i must ask, for the sake of my own natural curiosity & skepticism…
when it comes to un-owned women vis a vis the sin of fornication & adultery, i feel i know your position which is that it is really about violating the rights of fathers & husbands…
however, as far as banging sloots, is there no pollution of one’s own soul in so doing? is there no judgment against us for becoming one flesh with wicked women or what passes for “strange flesh,” which i take to mean miscegenation? would this seduction not further pollute the slut’s own soul and would it not pass as a mark against us when we come to our own judgment before our Heavenly Father?
speaking further on women, more specifically your assertion that taking multiple wives is Christian in accordance with Natural Law, what say you to the verses of
Matthew 19:9
&
1 Timothy 3:12
&
1 Corinthians 6:16
&
most particularly in 1 Corinthians 7:1-16 it seems to indicate that every man should have one wife lest there be not enough women to go around, wouldn’t you say? unless they take concubines, but concubines cannot be wives can they? further, foreign women cannot become wives because their children would necessarily be bastards (mixed-race mongrels)?
i wish to impress that i am not hostile to the idea of multiple wives, nay, i find the idea rather appealing however i am even more interested in doing right before our Heavenly Father.
thank you for your time.
Of course there is, and it is extremely disturbing. Kiwi Kike and The Cominator were broken by that. But we are in the situation that we are in. There is no one around but sluts. We have no alternative but the game of players and bitches. Love is war. We always start out with a woman in defect/defect equilibrium. Hence the problem of player burnout. The only way to avoid this is to acquire a woman by your patriarch acquiring a wife for his son from another patriarch with whom he is in cooperate/cooperate through kinship or the male hiearchy.
If one’s intent is to pursue one’s telos and own a woman, if one does not despair, one is not destroyed. But it is easy to be destroyed. Love is war. In war one must do what it takes. Every man must learn game and practice game, as in war every man must kill and burn.
The social order has to shut down defect/defect equilibrium between men and women. And to do this, must focus on the control of what is valuable. Eggs and wombs are valuable. Sperm and penises are not. So, worrying about misconduct by men is a distraction, it is the attack vector for fake Christian enemy entryists, to emancipate women.
Love is war. Those rules cannot be applied under current circumstances. It is not the will of Gnon that those obedient to his commands shall die childless and alone.
And when love is no longer war, those rules must still be applied gently against men, and severely against women, or else we will again get what we have got. Society has a limited capability to apply repression. If you repress men, you get too much subversion against your efforts to repress women, and repressing female sexuality is like repressing a volcano and holding back a glacier. It has to be open season on sluts, so that wives, betrothed women, and virgins are higher status, with unbetrothed virgins being substantially lower status than wives and betrothed, but immeasurably higher status than sluts.
[*fake conservatism deleted*]
This is what our enemies would like the right to be.
Was very very blackpilled on Western women before I found out that Chris Rock was VERY wrong about strippers…
Chris Rock was right about strippers: They are disgusting, and what makes them disgusting is that someone else’s dick was up them right before yours, and another man’s dick is going to be up them right after yours, and if this does not give you homicidal impulses, you are broken and defeated.
I suspect Birth Control has messed female nature up in this department. Without the regular hormonal cycle and the body constantly made to believe it is pregnant through this disruption of the hormonal cycle. This Volcano has been neutered. Until Birth control is not longer taken.
Its interesting how God has intended this Volcanic sexuality to be contained. As per the Song of Solomon and Proverbs 5.
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2016/12/21/like-a-rutting-buck/
Definitely very good for the Husband she saved her sexuality for. Aside from women who have mutations that cause problems in that department.
As Edward Dutton recently made a video on certain uber-puritanical women who hate sex altogether:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/1HCt4UhMTqVQ/
As a young and literal-minded Christian man in my 20s, I learned the hard way that you cannot court and marry even a young Christian woman living at home without trying at some level to get in her pants. Might not be trying as hard as when you’re dating a club slut, but you have to be playing your role in the courtship dance – part of which is trying.
Online game puas were the first people to come out and say so. The church never did, either pulpit or elders or peers, my parents who wanted grandchildren never did, my other family and friends never did. It was unspeakable and perhaps unthinkable.
Then you get into the pre-selection side of hypergamy, and you realize women see male virginity the opposite of the way men see female virginity. A liability not an asset. Some women claim they can tell a male virgin by the way he walks and carries himself, and I found that implausible the first time I heard it but I’m increasingly willing to believe it.
Even if you want monogamy with a faithful, modest and obedient Christian wife, while you don’t have to and really shouldn’t be banging sloots on the side, you have to have the ability to bang a sloot. Especially during the courtship phase, without which you don’t get marriage in the first place to worry about.
And she is not going to stick around if you have not succeeded in a very short time.
It is a necessary and predicable consequence of female emancipation. Christians cannot take the biblical position on sex, except in the context of the biblical position on female status. If you concede emancipation, you have conceded all.
All propaganda, in its particularity, has a signature. If you watch a particular director’s movies in sequence, the signature becomes obvious. While it is easier to detect in fictions, it is also present in commercials and ad/info campaigns. This is partially due to the tools and techniques employed, but it is also because people do what they know the way they know how. In the following link, we can see reflections of Dan Crenshaw’s campaign propaganda. Others with greater familiarity with RNC funded propaganda campaigns can probably comment with more detail.
https://youtu.be/3U2UoSTr6tU
It is safe to assume that Desantis is in bed with some or all of the RNC campaign regulars. Whether he fucks or gets fucked remains tbo be seen. Anyone doubting this must contend with the research done by Conservative Treehouse here and elsewhere:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/08/22/team-behind-florida-governor-ron-desantis-buy-first-national-tv-campaign-ad/
I’m not explicitly saying he’s a RINO, but to be an Trumpian Candidate (defined in this instance as neither RNC or DNC) he will have to fair better than Trump did with staffing, because that’s the deal the D/RNC requires. The D/RNC funnels donor money to your campaign and validates it through debates and massed propaganda, and you in turn pull staff from their list of options. It really is that simple. Trump had every opportunity to tell them to fuck off and obtain staff elsewhere, but he didn’t. This is what destroyed Trump. Are we sure Desantis will even get a chance?
Slightly related, could you pull a transition and provisional executive staff from a single State? Could Desantis actually tell the RNC to fuck off and staff his presidency from his own people? Would this even be advisable, and could one collect and empower enough staffers who are capable, loyal, and not compromised?
With how the bureaucracy is rigged up in the Executive, a viable strategy could be never leaving a significant proportion of appointments in place for long enough for anything to be done besides “holding pattern” (which would bleed them dry if the resulting gridlock waylaid funding renewal requests and the myriad other “necessary” activities that perpetuate bureaucracy through budget). Only truly staff up the positions you need to do a hard reset on a whole boatload of minor issues + an international issues team, and just hamstring the Executive bureaus. If Congress whines, send “impossible” nominees that utilize their speaking time to trash bureaucratic paralysis and generally waylay the Senate. They will be forced to sit through hours of being lambasted for sound bite fodder, or confirm ridiculous nominees who will be “resigned” after they muck things up a bit, intentionally of course. Then you unleash the hounds on all executive staff, and fire for every possible reason. Make promise after promise to restaff after a “nuts and bolts” review, then fold the positions into single appointments/hires as much as possible. The goal here is to reduce headcount for the “next regime.” The opposition can cry and call foul, and the Regime just responds publicly with a Dollars Not Spent report or something.
It really comes down to the State, but you’d have to avoid most the Eastern Seaboard. A byproduct is that you’d of necessity denude the state government, forcing most offices to need drastic rehiring and shuffling. It’s a long shot, but Desantis needs about 5 solid long shots to go in to be anything like what Candidate Trump was in late 2016 to late 2017. Trump could have wrecked the Executive Branch and they would have called him a traitor and impeached him 😐
Whatever the case, if Top Gov* does in fact Turn and Burn*… the executive bureaucracy to cinders, he’s /ourguy/. So far, his campaign looks like Crenshaw’s little mummer’s farce. I predict that Desantis will be put forward by the RNC establishment as a “more effective Trump,” and they will flaunt his conservative bona fides (family, prayer, hunting, grilling, etc.) to consolidate the soft-MAGAs and the mainline conservatives. Remember: it is irrelevant who wins, and it is of utmost importance that the opposition to Biden (or Newsome, or whoever) be equal to or greater than Trump, meaning *unthinkable* and *unbearable* for the whole establishment.
*If you review the posted link and look at other propaganda products, you can see the nascent campaign rhetoric and talking points taking shape.
When Hitler took power, he focused absolutely single mindedly on police and justice. He then took the boot of the state off his goons and his party. Then he was able to take actual power.
DeSantis staffing up the apparatus to monitor elections with trigger men, and firing a prosecutor, are hopeful signs.
To take actual power in the undead Republic, have to follow the FDR/Hitler path. Focus absolutely single mindedly on the apparatus of internal coercion, and then take power
Why does Anglin hate DeSantis?
I can’t speak for him, but based on my analysis of his position, it is for the same reason that I want Desantis to stay out of the 2024 election campaign: he will forestall Trump from roiling and embarrassing the Cathedral.
I’m pretty sure St. Anglin articulated explicitly why he is opposed to Desantis in one of his posts, though I cannot recall which exactly. It was posted last week, IIRC.
If Trump’s unwilling to use violence they’re rig him out the primaries just as they rigged him out of the white house in 2020.
Realistically there’s only 1 of 2 candidates who will be issued the GOP nomination: Romney or Desantis. One representing a cathedral leftist and probably the FBI faction and the other a stand in to make Trump voters feel better about getting robbed.
I have some hope that Desantis might take up the sword and make himself Emperor but at it stands he’s a controlled opposition.
The nomination will go to a female, likely Nimrata Haley (spit).
The side that tries for the diversity high score will lose, so I wouldn’t put it past the RNC to go that route, but the times are such that the best path is “strongman” characteristics, no matter how warped that output might be. This means trannies, military, Trumpians, or actual thugs. Maybe 2023 will be a Year of Calm, but I doubt it. I think the pressure will continue to build.
“…Romney…”
Romney is yesterday’s failure, even from the point of grillers, so it won’t be him without massive primary rigging. Which of course is quite plausible.
True but where do you find people that can outmaneuver the deep state in their home turf anyone who knows the tricks is them if they don’t they get rolled. Even if you find someone like gen Flynn look what happens. The deep doesn’t need to keep the law or you to break it the law is what they say it is and their running dogs in the cathedral will make it so for a puppy treat or hope of a future puppy treat.
They can only be defeated by violence because they are more than willing to go there and have decent capability. It needn’t be muh militia they are few their men under arms are only in it for paycheck as is the cathedral in the end they also have enemies there’s lots of ways to disarm and turn their useful idiots against them now is a really good time too bad no one actually spent time thinking about that instead of other crap.
Cannot apply violence, till Caesar arrives. And there is a good chance that Caesar will be Stalin, rather than Sulla.
Cloudswrest reminded me how interesting The Saker is (T.Hanks m8), and as I was catching up on posts, I came across an interesting passage [1]:
“A consistent analysis of Putin’s public interventions these past few months reveals that the Kremlin – as well as Security Council Yoda Nikolai Patrushev – fully realize how the politico/media goons and shock troops of the collective West are dictated by the rulers of what Michael Hudson defines as the FIRE system (financialization, insurance, real estate), a de facto banking Mafia.”
Two things jumped out at me: the first is perplexing… what is a “yoda?’ Has Occidental tripentertainment really penetrated that deeply? The second, and far more interesting, is the use of the term FIRE to describe the financial niggory diggory so common in GDP measurements. I have only ever heard Jim use the term like that, so maybe it is actually common and I need to “get out” more. Whatever the case, I think there’s a lot more connectivity across the various spheres than it might seem. I think there’s actually a distributed conference of sorts going on, with independent thought silos spreading tendrils far and wide based on the quality of content and the hunger of readers/followers/commenters.
File this under “KD’s terrible ideas:” if you could put together a digital&IRL conference with all of the most interesting speakers and a keynote by Jim, who would you want to attend? The Saker, Yarvin, Auron Macyntire, Isegoria, St. John, Neuro-, notglowing, Aidan, St. Anglin…
That’s my roster so far. Who else should be invited? The theme of the conference would be What Is To Be Done, and no speaker would be allowed to directly engage the theme, they would just present a topic they would have posted about. So imagine 3 days of attending talks, the most insane and based Q&A in history, inhuman amounts of scotch, vodka, and pre-workout, a red meat buffet, a shooting range in the basement, telescopes on the roof, presentation monitors everywhere for remote attendees and /pol/ threads. And Ukrainian slutfugees serving drinks and snacks throughout.
Obviously, this is never going to happen, and this isn’t even a gentle introduction to the idea of it happening. Just pure LARP. If we could do a Dissidentcon, who should be invited?
[1] https://thesaker.is/geopolitical-tectonic-plates-shifting-six-months-on/
Where is the ‘E’
Left out “Education”, which is the worst of the lot.
The Saker, or at least the author, Pepe Escobar, cannot conceive of the Cathedral. He lacks the vision to identify his enemy.
[scripts seen far too many times before deleted*]
But, I notice that you have worked awareness of our memes into that collection of boilerplate, even though you cannot directly acknowledge them except in ways that will not distress your supervisor. Bonus points for that, which is why I let so much of your stuff through.
Since you are pushing “white” leftism, criticize my definition and description of leftism, in ways that make it clear what you are disagreeing with, what the position is that you dispute and deny.
Leftism is collective and coordinated action to knock over some applecarts so that leftists can grab some of those apples that are rolling around. Coordinated action requires a faith, a faith built on covetousness and spite. The faith mutates rapidly every time a new applecart appears in their sights.
Judaism is a faith but you delete anti semitism and identify as moldbergs acolyte [*Soros script deleted*]
I don’t delete anti semitism. Not at all, not in the slightest. I delete Soros shill scripts, (“hail fellow white man”) which scripts are written by Jews and are pushed by Soros employees (employees and contractors of Soros NGOs) who are mostly Jews and dot Indians, just as “Judeo Christianity” (“Hail fellow Christian, I am more Christian than thou, fellow Christian”) comes from Jews who believe Christ is boiling in excrement, hate Christ, Christians, and Christianity, and seek to destroy it.)
You are a Soros shill, because for all your supposed ant semitism, you are strangely unable to notice Soros’s most notable conspicuous and offensive crimes.
Strange how every single person who claims to be more anti semitic than me, (hail fellow reactionary, I am more anti semitic than thou) every single one utterly without exception, is unable to notice the biggest and most obvious justifications for anti semitism.
These scripts are full of hatred to orthodox Jews, whom Soros hates and wishes to exterminate even more than he wishes to exterminate Christians, but fail to notice any specific actions of actual wealth and/or powerful Jews, and instead hate on “rentiers”, aka the kulak who has two cows, a garden, a wife, and children. They want to kill his cows, burn his house, flatten his garden, and emancipate his children to the tender care of child protective services, where his nine year old son will be sold off to a “married” gay couple, and his eight year old daughter will be allowed and encouraged to whore herself out.
Escobar is a lefty. He can’t see priestly misconduct which is what “Education” really is
Proles and lesser intellectuals try to follow the money and fail to notice what the magician’s other hand is doing.
One problem the Saker has, much like Dugin, is that he has the same blindness that Dugin has. He sees the FIRE economy as the ruling class but he cannot see what lies behind it. The Cathedral has done such a good job of obfuscation that the Saker cannot identify it. The toxoplasmosis parasite hijacks the mind to reproduce and defend itself, and leftism is an ideological mirror of its biological strategy.
The Saker can identify that it is a war of ideas but cannot–or perhaps merely will not–identify the ideas he is fighting. He has inherent leftist assumptions that he has not identified as the defense mechanisms of the very parasitic ideology that causes the problems he wants to fight. Before you can fight something you must have a conception of a thing. The Last Psychologist had a very interesting post on this topic with regards to Django Unchained and slavery in general.
Also if there is shooting, steak, and Ukrainian women then you had fucking better invite me.
Nigger please, you’d be licking envelopes.
Who would you want to see speak?
I would like to see Heartiste’s take on the future. I would also like to see a couple of the guys from Lotus Eaters come and talk because a couple of them seem like they might be more based than they let on. Col. MacGregor would be my top pick, though. I really want to see what he would say in a private talk with based men.
Yarvin is still a creative thinker, but he’s getting increasingly detached from reality. I suspect his late wife used to pull his feet back onto the ground. Poor guy.
The Saker, though his heart is in the right place, left reality behind long ago. His former Serbian translator, though she bitches too much about “anti-Semitism”, mostly has him dead to rights. His internal crimestop doesn’t let him see anything that contradicts his fantasy of Muh Based Russia, when in fact Putin has no problem with QR codes and mandatory clot shots, as long as they’re Russian-flavored. Putin is slightly less globalist than the other cool kids, but still just wants a seat at their table.
That’s why in place of the Saker I’d pick Jim Jatras, whose heart is equally in the right place but who has clearer vision.
And guess what! Jatras is speaking at the Trad Forum in West Virginia next month. It wouldn’t be as cool as a Jim conference, and I know Jim likes E. Michael Jones less than I do, and the “Dissident Mama” should really stay home, be quiet, and raise her kids. But Jatras is great and some of the other speakers will probably be great too. If someone from here goes I hope he will report back.
Though I do hope they have multiple T-shirts available for winners of the Spot The Fed game.
Nah. He wanted a seat at their table, still does, but since they will not give him a seat until the great Cathedral is redecorated and reconsecrated as a shrine to Gaea and faggots, now he wants to knock over their table.
Assad got in trouble because he merely artificially affirmative actioned women in education to exact equality, and no further. Putin got in trouble for not holding a gay parade and for building the great Cathedral. So many sovereigns are getting in so much trouble for ever more minor deviations from an ever more oppressive orthodoxy that we are seeing increasing resistance to empire by sovereigns. Putin wants a rebellion in the distant provinces of empire.
Such a rebellion, if it succeeds, is likely to roll into Washington.
P-PRAISE GNON
I will certainly be happy if you turn out to be right. But the timing of his latest clot shot introduction makes me feel like he would be all too willing to set the table right-side-up again, smooth out the felt, and sit back down at it, if the cool kids only make a few modest concessions like Crimea and the Donbass.
At least in that case Russia stays relatively free of the gay.
But I will hope for more as you seem to.
Of course Putin would, and he is signaling that like mad. But only we hear his signals, it being a crimethought to perceive them.
That is why the shills say “Putin is a Zionist tool”, rather than pointing out what you are pointing out.
Oft evil will will evil mar.
What a black comedy. Putin would be glad to take a place at the table of Globalist Satanists if they would let him, but they will not because they cannot because they cannot hear him. So they are going to push him into becoming a Christian Tsar of Russia and cripple themselves in the process. God laughs at the plans of man.
“Putin is slightly less globalist than the other cool kids, but still just wants a seat at their table.”
He is currently in the process of blowing up their table with about a pound of C4.
He would surely like to be seated at that table, and has persistently and patiently sought seating at that table, but because they will not seat him, C4.
Wonderful. Next, nukes.
Man, I really do wish we could meet up in meatspace. Can’t think of any way this could be done without assraping OpSec.
I’ll add this to the list: Severian from FQ, because man, that dude’s funny.
What we could do, and probably should do, is have a jitsi conferencing wearing hats, masks covering our lower faces, and non prescription reading glasses that are different in style from our normal glasses or lack thereof.
It is not hard to set up a jitsi server in the cloud, and that is one of the many items near the bottom of the big and growing pile of stuff in my in tray.
What could be done to assist in organizing something like this?
Well, if you can do server administration, I can lease a cloud server, install Jitsi on it, install your ssh public key so that you can control it, and you could do the rest. Or just lease a server in the cloud under yet another pseudonym, and install your ssh public key on it giving you root access from anywhere and you could install a jitsi server. I do far too much server administration as it is. And it is yet another piece of server administration, at the bottom of a large pile of other server administration tasks that need doing, and are not yet done, which is underneath a pile of code to be written, finances to be organized, a tax return to done, and various other personal matters.
While Jitsi is secure, the cloud is not secure. I have not thought about how people would sign themselves in. It is yet another security question that I have not dealt with, and scarcely thought about. The most secure way would be to give them all linux non root accounts with ssh access, but I am not sure how to integrate that with Jitsi without mapping the guest accounts onto email accounts.
I have set up a full email server twice, and satellite email servers numerous times, and it is no fun.
This is breaking my heart to write it but… as much as we need a Jimcon, if it is going to go forward, I can’t in good conscience take on any kind of back end roll, with programming or sysadmin. I will help out as ambassador or anything that is normie-able, but I will not put my simplistic understanding of systems and networks up against our digital adversaries. I would never forgive myself if some stupid error on my end backdoored a system we were setting up.
Further, I think we all need to harden up, withdraw, disengage, and/or disappear. I cannot adequately articulate how much I hate what I am typing right now, as the only shred of hope we have is organizing and coordinating. But the hour is late, and I genuinely feel that if They are going to move, they’re going to move quick and dirty, and they’re going to use every tool they have, meaning contractors and “specialists” in tandem with fed agents and analysts. It’s going to be digital D-Day. I sincerely hope I am wrong.
Do we really need a jimcon or is it just a massive opsec hole that won’t probably change anything at all?
A year ago, I’d fight hard for Jimcon. And yes, we absolutely need it. But I can’t come up with a solid, logical defense for it in the face of the dangers.
I now we have h4x0r bros here, and I am convinced we/they could pull this off, but it may be taking on more risk than necessary.
I think it can be done safely, but it would require a lot of work and thought to do it safely, and doing it carelessly could well be fatal.
Jim, forgive this breach of the hierarchy, but if I may be so bold: if it is to be done, I think you gotta do it. Unless there’s someone you know with your experience and wisdom, who else would do it better? You know what’s at stake, and you know the technical necessities. As I said, the hour is late.
+1 for bunkering in the fringes of the empire. If for no other reason besides that it makes it harder for the, admittedly quickly evaporating, bureaucratic process to authorize nailing you. If you’re important they wont bother with process but for small fries they still seem to be. If they stop bothering with process for small fries, they now have to dispatch in regions they do not have as good amount of resources in, so they must have good reason to want you.
I can do it, but I don’t think I have the time. Secure sign-on should be handled by the (hopefully fake) email addresses we use to post here and retain a consistent car avatar. If you can see our email addresses in plaintext, great, if you only have the hash, use the same encryption suite as your cat plugin with the same salt, and us punching in our email addresses will result in an identical hash being generated for the server and checked against a list of hashes for allowed attendees. The email addresses we use to post here and their cryptographic derivatives are the only shared secret between an individual poster and Jim that we can use to verify identity.
Otherwise, we could post public keys, and the public key I post under my specific cat avatar goes in a file, and if some glowie posts a public key under a name with no rep, you just do not put it in a file.
If we had a space for secure communications, then meatspace meetups become possible with appropriate opsec.
Yeah, if it is easy, maybe I can learn and you can critique my attempts?
Server administration is not hard, but when one tries to do it, one always does something amazingly stupid, cannot figure out what one has done, and there is no way you can fix it except wipe the server and start over. What makes setting up email so hard, is the need to do it on actual server, rather than an oracle vm mockup of the server. If you don’t have at least a little bit of experience in linux server administration, it will take you a while.
Is it something that would be better with a team of bros working the problem, or do you recommend one of us just take up the task? I will read up on Jitsi and put feelers out to some acquaintances. I think it is probably more complex than what you outlined, even if that (the server admin part) is the core task. We need to figure out a time, invite list, and some other elements. As well, we need to put together a strict “dress code” and code of conduct for participants.
I got to excited and posted. Think of what you’d like to happen, then literally come up with a laundry list. I have a bit of experience in terms of organizing and running things of this flavor. I’d love the opportunity to help out.
For security purposes, the fewer involved in the Behind The Scenes is probably better, right?
@ jim
Do you know of the shakspear authorship question?
If you do where you stand.
I found recently about this and went in the rabbit hole
What amazed me is that the cathedral have a position and is very hostile to the question.
How come? What crime thought in this question that they suppress anything about it in the education system?
Have not looked into it. That the New York Times published an article arguing that Shakespeare’s plays were not written by Shakespeare indicates it is not a forbidden thought, not being suppressed.
The people arguing that Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare address the memes of their opponents, which is not how the Cathedral responds to enemy memes. On the other hand search engines do artificially downrank those arguing that Shakespeare did not write Shakespeare, which is how the Cathedral responds to enemy memes.
The reason authorship is attributed to Shakespeare is very simple. His name appears on the plays as author. He was an actor in theater company, and a minor investor in the theater company. Though, since he was a commoner, later a gentleman, the theater and the theater company was owned by a nobleman. He does not seem to have been a very important person in the theater company, no cult of the scriptwriter then or now, not equivalent of a movie director. People would like the plays to be written by someone who was more important at the time. The nobleman who owned the theater and the theater company was the big guy, and Shakespeare was just one of his numerous gofers.
The objection to Shakespeare as Shakespeare is that nobody at the time thought Shakespeare was a particularly important person in the theater company, the people in the theater company did not think he was, he did not think he was, and he did not seem to regard the writing activities as a significant part of his job and status. He thought himself an actor, not a writer. His contemporary status is incongruent with the cult of Shakespeare. It is a huge discrepancy if one projects the cult of Shakespeare backwards into the time when the plays were produced.
But also, everyone at the time took it completely for granted that the plays were written by the man whose name appears as the author, a minor and unimportant part of the job of a minor and unimportant employee of the theater company. They just did not care.
To recast the controversy in terms of contemporary movie making, people would like Shakespeare to have been the writer/director. It appears he was not. Who was the director?
Well, maybe it does not matter, because we do not have the work of the director, only the work of the author. With movies, we do have the work of the director.
Those who argue that Shakespeare did not write Shakespeare are not actually presenting evidence that Shakespeare did not write Shakespeare. They are presenting the compelling and overwhelming evidence that Shakespeare did not direct Shakespeare, and that the plays were generally directed by a nobleman.
Yarvin addressed this recently. I found it interesting and informative.
https://graymirror.substack.com/p/the-return-of-the-earl
Yarvin’s analysis is plausible. Fact is, Shakespeare was a nobody, born a nobody, died a nobody, and in Elizabethan times, nobodies did not write courtly Elizabethan poetry. All somebodies wound up in court orbit. Court was full of talent, and talent wound up in court.
On the other hand, there is reasonable evidence that everyone from Shakespeare’s time to the nineteenth century took it for granted that the name on the folio is the actual name of the man that wrote this stuff.
However, the institutional objection to Oxford being the real Shakespeare is not that the Cathedral would be undermined if he was, but that the existing English studies departments would be undermined if he was.
Shakespeare is full of anti democratic, anti egalitarian, stuff. He surely does not think that all men are created equal. Identifying him a courtly aristocrat rather than actor, stage hand, and wool merchant, would help neutralize that. If anything, the Oxfordian theory would be more useful to our enemies than the theory that Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare.
Would a playwright end up a court, though? It is my understanding that anyone associated with theater was considered a degenerate, little more than pimps and whores. Having Shakespeare end up in court might have been more than they would stand.
Moliere became a personal friend of the king of France through his plays. A relationship not without its hiccups. But the difference between Moliere’s status and Shakespeare’s is interesting, given the numerous parallels in other aspects of their lives and works, and given the extensively documented nature of Moliere’s life. I don’t believe anybody has seriously suggested an authorship dispute in his case.
“if anything, the Oxfordian theory would be more useful to our enemies than the theory that Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare.”
people today don’t read Shakespeare and certainly not the elites read it.
it is more about the reputation
“here is a nobody William Shakespeare able to write at such high class despite the fact he was lowly birth. which should show that hierarchies/class are evil and aristocrats should be demonized and overthrown”
A playwright may well have ended up at court, but it would be beneath the dignity of an aristocrat to be involved with the theater except as a patron… so if an aristocrat wanted to write plays.. he would need to hire a ringer…
A good poet with a plausible claim of aristocratic lineage, would, however, have been roped in to decorate the court.
Joe Sobran was a big proponent of the Shakespeare did not write Shakespeare theory. And he was much more of a English language adept, and knew a LOT more about Shakespeare, than me.
http://sobran.com/oxfordlibrary.shtml
very reasonably stated
as i said, i recently came across this question
the thing that alerted me and caused me confusion is
there is not a single written paper by Shakespeare, even his will is not written by him only his signatures (presumably ). there is no correspondences with anyone writer or non writer. your point about him being actor more than a writer is interesting. however
can someone in the 16th/17th century make play after play like Macbeth, king lear romeo and juliet etc just verbally. the breadth and knowledge to make it warrant draft and redraft. but if we assume that shakespeare was such a genius that normal process of working at a theater does not apply to him. how did he acquire the extinctive knowledge in various branch ex legal, history, war, geography etc without schooling (presumably he went to grammer school -no records) nor books. and there is no documents to ever show that he owned or had access to libraries which in that time was luxuries.
no document that he ever met queen Elizabeth the first. his theater company however performed for the queen but no mention for specific audience.
it amazed me that a prolific writer like him did not garner attention in his life time.
the first folio (which contain 36 work of shakespear works) printed 1623 seven year after his death in 1616
contain no autobiography of him nor where he was born nor died
with doubts about who actually wrote the introduction.
the people who cast doubt about Shakespeare (me being one of them of course)
differentiate between
William Shakespeare the author which if the doubts are true is a pseudonym
and the actor who can be called william shakspear of stratford upon avon
your last point is very important
because that mean the nobleman was the actual writer while shakespear (the man form stratford) was the front face
i don’t think it can be argued that Shakespeare the actor wrote the work while the nobleman directed it
considering the above information about Shakespeare
He is working under an aristocratic director, who certainly knows all that stuff, and the director is cheerfully stealing stuff from all manner of people, and tells his gofer Shakespeare “Take a break from organizing scenery storage, and write this stuff up into something that we can do with our actors on our stage. Re-use the backdrops we already have, without too much alteration, and Tyler cannot do sword scenes until he recovers from his injury”
I find the most compelling that Shakespeare was Shakespeare, is that Shakespeare was there, and we have no evidence that Oxford was there. The director would certainly want his script writer hanging around the theater, “oops, squash scene three into scenes two and four”. And if the original script writer was not hanging around the theater, he would scarcely recognize his play by the time it was acted on stage. That is what happens with movies. As I said, the evidence that Shakespeare did not write the plays is not evidence that he did not write the plays, it is evidence that he did not direct them.
The reason Elizabethan poetry was something aristocrats did, and writing plays was something commoners did, is that scripts are apt to get chewed up and spat out.
> He is working under an aristocratic director, who certainly knows all that stuff, and the director is cheerfully stealing stuff from all manner of people, and tells his gofer Shakespeare “Take a break from organizing scenery storage, and write this stuff up into something that we can do with our actors on our stage.
There was no aristocratic director. You pulled him out of your ass.
jim, you are Dunning Kruger the person.
Theater companies were generally known as (State title of high ranking aristocrat)’s men indicating a great deal of interest and direct control by the government and leading aristocrats. There were companies that appeared to be private, but the most important, well funded, and well known companies were quasi statal – as is the media today, though today the government is more covert about it.
The people acting in the Globe theater were known as “The King’s men” – though it was unlikely the King himself directed. The leading people in the company were granted the (non aristocratic) title “Grooms of the Chamber”. Shakespeare was not awarded this title, therefore not a leading member.
You rang? I was just listening to the Neil Degrasse Tyson audiobook (doesn’t matter which, they’re all superb) while playing a little bit of the -craft waiting for my cys-partner to finish up working at her start-up in the other room of my 2 bedroom eco-friendly flat in Austin. Your comment was kind of long, Eucherius, so I just skimmed it, but I am worried you are being a little bit aggressive. Maybe you should listen to some Sagan and meditate, get your aura back in alignment, because science is spirituality, after all!
On the for real side, who cares what a bunch of white males think about dead white men, amirite? The future Shakespeare will be black anyways.
Why not? Directors today as then tend to treat script writers as lower than street trash.
This may be true for some directors, and very likely many producers and executive producers, but it is far more common that screenwriters are just not involved, unless they also direct or produce, and it is also common for them to suck at “both” positions. Typically, a screenwriter is paid off and booted from the process. There’s always a hierarchy, and some screenwriters get obscene sums (typically, punch up or corrective writers ((people brought in to ‘fix’ scripts)) are very well compensated), but many are not really given any thought once the script is finalized and bought/sold.
One, in my opinion, sad aspect of modern film is that writers and directors are now little different than the Indians brought in to do programming. Marvel movies are a particular case of this; those directors are literal jokes, brought on board to just do whatever the studio tells them.
John Milius is probably the most based director in cinema history. The days of the powerhouse director are coming to an end. I hope it is a temporary end.
Also one of the best writers. Almost every memorable line in Dirty Harry was his. It’s sad that his directing career was cut short because he a made Red Dawn. When Moldbug said that America is a communist country I instantly saw it the truth because of John Milius’ black listing.
> He thought himself an actor, not a writer.
He most certainly thought of himself as a poet. He says multiple times in his sonnets that his poems will last forever.
“Yet do thy worst old Time: despite thy wrong,
My love shall in my verse ever live young.”
“So long as men can breathe or eyes can see,
So long lives this, and this gives life to thee.”
> It is a huge discrepancy if one projects the cult of Shakespeare backwards into the time when the plays were produced.
What now? This is what Ben Jonson had to say about Shakespeare shortly after his death:
I therefore will begin. Soul of the age!
The applause, delight, the wonder of our stage!
My Shakespeare, rise! I will not lodge thee by
Chaucer, or Spenser, or bid Beaumont lie
A little further, to make thee a room:
Thou art a monument without a tomb,
And art alive still while thy book doth live
And we have wits to read and praise to give.
That I not mix thee so, my brain excuses,
I mean with great, but disproportion’d Muses,
For if I thought my judgment were of years,
I should commit thee surely with thy peers,
And tell how far thou didst our Lyly outshine,
Or sporting Kyd, or Marlowe’s mighty line.
And though thou hadst small Latin and less Greek,
From thence to honour thee, I would not seek
For names; but call forth thund’ring Aeschylus,
Euripides and Sophocles to us;
Pacuvius, Accius, him of Cordova dead,
To life again, to hear thy buskin tread,
And shake a stage; or, when thy socks were on,
Leave thee alone for the comparison
Of all that insolent Greece or haughty Rome
Sent forth, or since did from their ashes come.
Tri’umph, my Britain, thou hast one to show
To whom all scenes of Europe homage owe.
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44466/to-the-memory-of-my-beloved-the-author-mr-william-shakespeare
According to you this is referring to the author of minor and unimportant hackwork.
Ben Johnson was more prescient than the rest of the people in Shakespeare’s environment.
You don’t really hear about this sort of thing outside of niche circles, because there is not a really obvious way to twist it into something directly related to the polygon’s favorite hobbyhorses; IE, its relevance to power.
I don’t really have much of an opinion on the matter myself. However, one thing i can say: it is a perennial gnostic impulse in embryo to try and ‘discover’ that all the great figures in someone’s past are ‘frauds’ and ‘fakes’; ‘all your heroes are false idols! *cackles*’. There’s few things more satisfying for them than that feeling of glee in spreading nihilistic demoralization.
This comports with my experience. When I was in university, there were constant attempts to undercut historiography by any means necessary. The standard position was “everything white is a fabrication,” and the mutts and minorities ate it up.
Truth.
Hidden Figures. “You didn’t build that”. “I met God and She’s Black”. “Watson and Crick actually just took credit for Rosalind’s work”. And so on.
jim says:
2022-08-19 at 05:16
“The Australian aboriginals do not have an oral tradition – they have no idea what happened before the current generation. Their oral tradition is totally made up by missionaries and white scammers… There are no end of historical events involving groups of Australian aboriginals recorded by white people, and the descendants of those groups lack any recollection of them.
They live in an eternal present without cause, effect, or a past.â€
I would remind you that progressive NPCs have no idea what happened two months ago, yet they retain mythic memory of the holocaust, slavery, the oppressive red scare, MLK and George Floyd (tragically shot).
A little late on this, but howling cunt Liz Cheney got primaried out in Wyoming.
Liz Cheney’s replacement is a slightly less Rino Rino. Also a howling cunt and Cathedral OKed.
This is consistent with a policy of keeping the Republican party “mainstream”.
Yeah, it’s not that her being ousted is a white pill, more the dodging of a ridiculous black pill.
I couldn’t bring myself to care one way or the other. The GOP is doing everything possible to give the Democrats cover for rigging the midterms. Everything out of their mouths is about Ukraine or other shit no one gives a fuck about. They’re playing the roll of the Washington Generals to a T.
Yeah, it has little or no practical import. But I like the fact that it denies Dems and Never-Trumpers an end-zone dance.
Gavin McInnes arrested by the feds during a live stream:
https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1562973045643689984
Looks like they’re getting ready to give James O’Keefe the J6 treatment:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/08/25/two-florida-residents-plead-guilty-in-federal-court-in-new-york-to-stealing-ashley-biden-diary/
I wonder if we’re about to see a wave of people being “swatted” with a handful, just a few, a completely negligible number, then being held and charged for things “discovered” during the “accidental” raids.
Yes:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/25/rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-swatted-for-second-time-in-two-days-police-say.html
Escalating from deplatforming, cancellation, and demonetization, to imprisonment.
Next step, murder. Probably in the form of prison camps with a strangely high death rate from natural causes.
It is going to get worse, and may well get unthinkably and unimaginably worse – there is an increasing risk of systematic genocide of legacy Americans.
They earlier stretched the definition of genocide to include the erasure of history and identity. And then proceeded to burn our Churches and tear down our statues, so they are already genocidal under their expanded definition of genocide, making actual genocide a very easy, and even holier, step.
There will be a shipwreck, but the storm will pass, because evil mars evil. The time for forceful countermeasures will come, but is not yet.
Do not go looking for trouble right now, because it will find you. If it does find you, make them bleed for it. If they take you, they will imprison you, torture you, and are working towards murdering you. Might as well send a few feds to hell before you meet God. Keep in mind that if you go out like a legend, then your woman is going to remember you as more alpha and be more likely to protect your children.
I don’t see genocide as the next step. Maybe that is normality bias or maybe my misunderstanding of the word “genocide”. What I expect as the next step is (mass) killing of right leaning people and people the government suspects of right leaning. If I’m correct, the definining characteristic of those that are killed will not be color (race or “genus” in Latine), but instead political orientation.
When that starts in USA, it will be copied in those parts of the west that do not break away from trom the empire. I can easiliy imagine Western governments killing millions of those that oppose their governments, but there still are too many whites around to implement a genocide – I hope.
First off, you described a genocide as an alternative to genocide. Might be a translation issue. While English may be the language of God, most English speakers are fucking worthless linguists that tarnish a beautiful Germanic descendant.
Secondly, the headcount of whites is not as relevant as you think, as it will be whites doing it. Blacks are incapable of organization without white leadership, Latinos are capable but very, very dim, so they are better off under guidance as opposed to giving it (there are exceptions, but I would pit any, ANY US State Government against a Central or South American government, in any type of competition, and the State Government would win the day), and Asians will start turtling up or fleeing the moment it starts to get Mao flavored, as they know what that means, and they are the purest racists out there, much preferring to be shunned by slants versus being held equal with whites. Whites are, across the board, the “superior” race, and this really sucks, because they have been “superior’d” away from race loyalty and race identity. This is why we can exterminate our own so casually.
I am translating the language used by the left. They have a definition of genocide that is used to attack the existence of white people.
That was intended for Karl’s comment, not yours. The tack you took is one I have taken in polisci and history university classes when discussing South Africa and the Boer. It had 0 impact on the Opposition, but it really landed with the moderates or the ignorant. I would read the UN definition* then challenge them to refute the genocide of Boers. I had a few articles of illustrating instances of text book genocide. Their defenses were rote; “I don’t trust the source,” “It doesn’t count because the whites aren’t from Africa,” and others. I would then counter with historical references to the arrival of the settlers (starting in 1600s) and the Bantu migration (Zulu formed in 1800s, slave and migrant waves in 1700s, etc.) as well as calling out the fact that they were moving the goal posts. University Progressives are impervious to facts and well tailored arguments, but not the derision and rejection of their peers, so in time I learned to just take them down with pithy one-liners and snarkastic gotcha statements, and in due time I was censured following anonymous complaints of racism and verbal harassment.
I still think it is valuable to use the enemy’s words against them, but one cannot expect to “win,” merely hammer wedges into the cracks extant.
*Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people—usually defined as an ethnic, national, racial, or religious group—in whole or in part. Raphael Lemkin coined the term in 1944,[1][2] combining the Greek word γÎνος (genos, “race, people”) with the Latin suffix -caedo (“act of killing”).[3]
In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such.” These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide
“I still think it is valuable to use the enemy’s words against them, but one cannot expect to “win,†merely hammer wedges into the cracks extant.”
Agree.
Of course whites will be doing it. My point was that while there are plenty of whites around, whites will not be killing whites for being white, but for being evil rightists. That will bring the number of whites down. When only a few whites are left, those can be killed by non-whites for being white.
I understood genocide according to the definition you cited below. According to this definition killing people for leaning to the right, is no genocide as they are no “ethnic, national, racial, or religious group”.
According to the official (artificially inclusive) definition, burning our churches, pulling down our statues, and erasing our history is genocide. Since they are performing genocide according to their definition, they will have no trouble moving on to genocide by our definition.
[*comment held back pending Woman Question shill test and Soros shill test.
The measures you recommend (white socialism) would be catastrophic for the white race and western civilization, would ruin us and destroy us, so: the question to be resolved is: Are you recommending them because you disagree with us about the likely effects of those measures, or are you recommending them because you are working for people who hate us and want us dead, and who preferentially hire those unlikely to feel loyalty to legacy Americans, those unlikely to be troubled by legacy Americans being ruined or exterminatedc
If merely misguided, I will debate them. If you are working for our enemies to destroy us, I will point and laugh*]
OK, Karl, I take your points, but I am still convinced that, under the cited definition of genocide, what is happening to whites in South Africa is genocide, and what seems to be right around the corner in the GAE is also genocide. This is why any discussion of White genocide is nipped in the bud immediately. If the discussion occurs, the veracity of the claim inevitably follows, and the True Believers must either say “yes, gas the Whites, race to the bottom now” or change the definition. Both of these things could happen, and most likely will, but the Commissariat is not ready for that, or is not confident that they can pull it off, and so the censors shadowban and delete. Don’t take my word for it, you can easily assemble the necessary footage and articles and initiate the dialogue on any platform you choose. The shills and censors will surface and derail or destroy the discussion. many such cases.
Yes, what is happening in South Africa is genocide. Whites are killed for being white by blacks. Since blacks are doing it, the genocide is rather slow. It is organized with black efficency.
South Africa has a tiny white minority. That is a huge difference to the USA or Europe. While Whites are a majority, Whites might do mass killings of Whites, but they won’t kill Whites for being white.
Non-Whites are or will be killing Whites largely without governments stepping in, as long as the non-whites can make a semi-plausible case that they only killed evil rightist Whites. If non-Whites kill mostly Whites that are right leaning (or suspected of right) leaning, situation is similar to Whites killing Whites for political reasons, but as the killing is organized by non-whites it will be much less efficient.
The Khmer Rouge did a very good job of killing each other. By the time they were overthrown, very few of the original Khmer Rouge alive.
So I think whites can kill whites for being white quite efficiently.
[hail fellow white man, its them Jews. White leftism good, fellow white man]
Can you name the Jew is most directly responsible for the non prosecution of people who murder whites, or are you working for him?
Why confirming soros as the guy whose fingerprints are on almost all evil is a test but yeah if there’s an elder of Zion that motherfucker is at least the guy they put out front to take the heat. [*hail fellow white male, fellow white male*]
The Soros shill test is to tell us some of Soro’s notable evil acts, and how he made his living and became rich.
If you cannot do that, you are working under his supervision, in the sense that your supervisor is working under the supervision of a supervisor whose … is supervised by Soros, and you are probably a Jew or a dot Indian. Or possibly a faggot, because faggots have no loyalty the larger group, just as Jews and Indians have no loyalty to legacy Americans. Shills are hired from people who don’t much like us, or actively hate us, because less likely to turn. Hence hired from outgroups.
Still holding back most of your comments. I will delete them shortly if you continue to fail the Soros shill test, or possibly show them for the purpose of ridicule rather than rebuttal.
Soros shills get to say Soros is evil, just as fbi shills get to say they hate niggers and women – but they say blacks are magical and women are wonderful, and they hate blacks because magical and women because wonderful.
Soros is famous for shorting the pound [unusually responsive shill script deleted]
Not what he is infamous for on the reactionary right, the alt right, and the Republican right.
The Soros shills say “It the Jews”, and then to ignore what our enemies, who are disproportionately Jews, are actually doing, in particular and especially what Soros is doing, and instead attack Putin, Musk, and so on and so forth.
Evil capitalists are supposedly doing stuff, so we should supposedly smash the windows of the Jewish pawnshop and kill the cows of the kulak with two cows.
Vlad, mind reposting this?
I, (insert username here), cosign the following neoreactionary creed:
Only high-class European and Asian men have the necessary characteristics to the maintenance of civilization; women, queers, and the more savage ethnicities are only ever hired as an attack against civilization.
Women need to be controlled by men, as the female sex drive is maladapted to the civilized male status hierarchy. Their sexual instincts awaken uncomfortably early, are ambiguous if not opposed to notions of consent, and result in population collapse. Pedophilia is just a way to conflate notions of young but sexually mature women having procreative sex with the objections to degenerate homos lusting after and buggering little boys.
Jews, particularly Soros, often enthusiastically do wicked things, but are used as a disguise by their progressive masters; Jewish misbehavior hides progressive misbehavior. They are given their money by government manipulation or intervention so that they can fund things the Cathedral would rather not have tied directly to itself, especially when the agents are employed by both NGO and USG.
Jesus Christ always was and always will be; is wholly Man and wholly God; is the Logos of the universe; was born to Mary, died on the Cross, then ascended to heaven to sit alongside the Father and Holy Ghost, which are Three and are One.
Last week on his show Gavin was asked by one of his co-hosts if he was going to be around next Thursday (for the live show), Gavin quickly responded “Yes”, then hesitated and said “well….” then the other guy said “oh yeah” and then they went back to talking about what they were talking about. It also happened a short time into his live show where he frequently in the past has done similar gags where he had a fake fires people fake quits etc… Granted this one went on for a while but I think he was going to be traveling this week and has been setting up the”getting arrested / followed by cops” plotline all week.
Granted a good chunk of this is me being hopeful since I’m a big fan of his show, but this very well maybe a gag it would not be too surprising given his style.
If not all should be clear imminently anyway. And what they just did to those people for “stealing” Ashley Bidens diary is concerning enough anyway
Isn’t he that homo who stuck a dildo up his ass on live tv? I lost all respect for him years ago during an interview on some PUA podcast I used to listen to when he said that riding his motorcycle at highway speeds scared him.
McInnes numerous shortcomings are immaterial here.
McInnes was AGAINST going to January 6th and they arrested him for January 6th. Before the regime at least used to make up semi plausible pretext for arrests, this is the beginning of the leftist terror in earnest…
“McInnes was AGAINST going to January 6th”
Which also speaks to his integrity even if coming to this realization only after founding an ineffective militia movement that later taken over by feds does not speak to his intellect
“Which also speaks to his integrity” Elaborate
J6 was mostly attended by less than sophisticated people. Most of the rest were traitors.
The issue I am having with McInnis is that each of his publicized actions could be construed in diametric ways. He could be suffering from regime suppression, or they could be maintaining his cover. He could be a genuine guy (mistakes and foibles haunt us all), or he could be a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
I think this is going to keep happening: a raid occurs, the water gets muddy, friends stay quiet and adversaries pounce, honor is questioned, and dirt surfaces. To be clear, I am not decided one way or another. But McInnis organization has been a very effective tool for the feds to isolate and round up dissidents. Whether this is what it was intended to do, or if it was used to do this, that it was done is not really up for debate.
We all knew it, and we’ve discussed it many times, but we are about to see just how effective it is for the regime to “impossible-ize” coordinate safely or effectively. There regime of suppression is far more effective than the regime itself, as it was formulated and implemented under more effective managers from the past.
Yeah, he did the dildo thing, and frequently admits he’s scared on his motorcycle. The dildo thing was him saying, “look we’re not homophobic, that’s a media lie” (he also made out with Milo to “own the muzzies”….) Only thing I can say is he seems to actually get why gays are a problem now, even if hes too tolerant. Hes less of a libertarian now.
One problem is the MSM guess, look here’s the new Hitler, and he both doesn’t live up and tries to counter that.
I respect that he’s generally honest, even when he’s dumb and naive. His opinions and actions have changed as things have gotten worse
https://www.newsweek.com/proud-boys-gavin-mcinnes-arrest-censored-1737389
There’s a reply to Josh Denny’s tweet midway through the article here that shows why I think it’s fake. It’s him talking to his crew and almost giving it away last week
St. Anglin says:
“I think we’ll be able to gather something about the timeline from whether or not the Justice Department does a press conference on the McInnes raid/arrest. If they come out and at least claim to be doing things by the book, then we can assume that they’re still in the “pretending this is legitimate†phase of the process. If they just say nothing, and there is scant media coverage (there is no mainstream media coverage at time of writing), then it is more likely they are going to start a cascade of mass arrests.”
Here’s the link:
https://stormer-daily.rw/gavin-mcinnes-raided-by-feds-live-on-air-allegedly-sitting-in-jail-right-now/
I think the quoted assessment is pretty strong. This could all be a hoax, I acknowledge that. I am not read in on the PBs, but the whole thing screams “fed operation.” (I almost hate to do this, but… how did Pooch feel about the proud boys? Happy hunting, GPT2 🙂 He definitely cut a deal when he had his troubles with the feds, Anglin covers the key points. Control of the organization was handed off to an actual fed CI, and one must assume that CEOs who step down still text with their allies, so to piggyback on Anglin’s intel analysis, I think figuring out if McInnes is compromised could be decided on how instrumental he was in the Fed CI being ensconced as the new PBs leader.
If this is a hoax, a stunt being pulled by McInnis, you have to ask yourself why? and why now? This strains credulity, but it could demonstrably muddy the waters, especially if there’s an uptick in swattings, “fake” arrests, and actual raids & apprehensions. When MSM starts to cover it, we will have confirmation as to what the Manufactured Consensus is going to be.
Expect the Jimmy Dore Left to start sounding off soon. While the Left is in bed with the government, Conservative Media is government’s side chick. If/when the raids increase, any Conservative talking head that Backs The Blue is compromised. The feds will need to move quickly once this thing gets going, so anyone they control or have kompromat on will be induced to aid in whatever way Director Agent Ch’Neekwa deems necessary.
The”why” is, this is his style. He does these pranks often and thinks they’re funny, he thinks it gives his fans some entertainment when he’s going to miss some shows.
The “why now” is he’s been traveling to look at places he wants to move to in the Carolinas and is prepping for a live show. He basically let it slip he wasn’t doing a live show this week, then did one anyway that ended almost immediately with the arrest.
One thing that makes me think it’s fake is that you can hear the sirens just immediately before they come in. Based on his description of the studio, you shouldn’t be able to hear them on his mic. Used to hear that stuff at his old studio, this one is too insulated I think.
If he’s a fed, this would be a hell of a fedpost for him, and I think he’s being reckless and stupid to fake this right now. But every time someone says he’s a fed (or a Nazi for that matter) it’s clear to me that their image of him is derived from the media and not familiarity with his words or his work.
Also, if feds, they’re restrained. They don’t act provocatively. All their famous violent actions were then being attacked by antifa while doing security for an Anne Coulter type person. PBs get jumped by antifa, fight back, and go to jail. They also told everyone not to go to Charlottesville (and if you went you were kicked out) or Jan 6
This isn’t really conclusive. What has Patriot Front done that is “provocative?” How about the 2 idiots involved in the Gretchen Whitmer “””case?””” The Feds will give seefour to Sand Niggers, guns to Cartel spics, and look the other way when noggs march around and organize for Wakanda. When it comes to whites, Christians, nationalists, or the evil trifecta of such, they seem content to draw them in with meetings and roll them up as fast as possible with the minimum of evidence, or even none at all. This is not Caucasian Fragility speaking, this is the unassailable fact that if a single group of white, Christian males with apparent assabiya and success seems to exist, there would be 50 more in a week’s time. So they go to great lengths entrap, honeypot, shill, and anything else to keep such activities “unthinkable.” If the Proud Boys were an actual, organic organization, they would have flattened them. Instead, they infiltrated them at every level and kept them impotent.
Good points.
I’ll say that it definitely started organically, it was a drinking club that made fun of Gavin’s podcast producer Ben Rattner for being a pussy who never got laid and never tried to. The name was a reference to an Aladdin showtune since, I believe, the producer liked Disney showtunes. It only got violent when the group went to Gavin’s talks and we’re attacked by antifa, they then started doing security for other right wing speakers and that’s probably when it got infiltrated.
When Gavin stepped down, it was because the lawyers of some kids who got jumped at one of his talks asked him to, they said if the group did not have a leader/hierarchy it would not legally be a gang, though at that point it would be moot. Those kids that got jumped were sentenced to 4 years for winning a fight.
This further buttresses my assertions as well as Jim’s position that lawyers are all scum. I know very little of PBs, but I know a fair bit more about the IC and LEO methods and tactics, so I have been riffing off what I read at Stormer and what you said. The most I’ve learned about them (off this website) was hours of footage from the “street fights” in Portland and Berkley. Those two events, as well as Charlottesville, have a very dramatic theme, by which I mean quite unrealistic. If you watch enough raw footage from third world riots and civil unrest, you begin to see what a terrified mass of human animals looks like. While there are definitely moments in those events were there is legitimate terror, it is very brief. Most of the time, it is more like how kids act at recess when the teachers are not present. If you read up on classical COINTELPRO (all open source intel, nothing spooky or secret), you will find that Confidential Informants and agent provocateurs are widespread, used to spin up/incite violence in crowds as well as “judas goat” groups and movements into dead ends, both literally and metaphorically. I think the big difference between the 1970s and the 2010s is that there is approximately 0% institutional support for the right wing in the modern era, as opposed to maybe 10-15% in the older era.
During Meme War 01 and the Trump years, I was intensely drawn toward “getting involved” for a number of reasons, and I still think my impulse was legitimate and healthy. The problem I ran into was every single group I found, the moment you scratched under the surface, there were too many red flags, to many mysterious patrons, supporters, and suspect factors. A genral rule of thumb is that if some org or group asks you to submit an address, a phone number, or any PII, the chances are that they are fully compromised, or on the list to be buggered as soon as the pass a certain threshold. They probably all start as legitimate, but once they accrete enough of a base, enough influence or power, the Eye of Sauron is upon them. Again, I think this is because the Establishment sees the white male demographic as a powder keg (rightly or wrongly), and their entire framework is built on diffusing said Inherently Energetic Demographic.
McInnis, to me, seems like a legitimate artist, an artfag if you will. He wants to build things, connect people, and revel in their respect and adoration. He may or may not be personally compromised. But it doesn’t really matter; for every one white dude who just wants to find a mannerbund, there are at least three who will turn quisling at the drop of a hat. Feelsbatman.
Yeah, when the bearded guy dropped that antifa fag coming at him with a baton it was amazing imagery. But I was past my drinking days when they started up, and was not even really paying much attention until it was too late to show up and ask to crack skulls.
Some more PB notes: organized into independent chapters with a chairperson (the CI Tarrio, at least a former CI). Chapters differ greatly. Internal battle over whether it should just be about drinking and doing coke, or about rallies and political action. Gavin’s talked about infiltrators, says they kick out a lot, usually fit guys with no tattoos who start talking about getting into action right away. He doesn’t have shill tests though, they go off feel. The shills sound stupid, they apparently just blather on about obscure things only people in LE would know, then pretend to be in construction. They only want to hang out and talk with him, don’t go to meet ups he’s not at, etc….
That’s just one type of threat, though. The far more insidious in my perspective is the “true believer” with kompromat issues. This is usually something intensely personal, something long standing. Child custody, a past infraction, the sky is the limit when the manipulating party is the State. You also have the megalomaniacs that will usher in convergence as a method for elevating their position. This is what the USM deployed often with the militias in Iraq; though all of the militias disliked the USM, their rivalries with each other, and between members over tribal affiliations or what have you, was exploited by JSOC often to figure out geolocation of targets.
I have theories on how to contend with a lot of this stuff, but it’s all moot once an org starts to scale. It only takes one infiltrator to wreck an organization. In a way, these types of entities have a sort of “reverse of bureaucracy” issue. A bureaucracy has immense inertia, and no amount of infiltration can outweigh it, while a grassroots org outside of the protective umbrella of the establishment is a fragile structure, potentially destroyed by a trivial amount of entryism.